One thing I really liked about Hillary Clinton were her pants suits. I think the best work wear for professional women is pant suits with ankle boots or oxfords, something a lot more substantial than the shoe in the photo.
The best overall easiest most convenient exercise is walking. It is possible to walk three or more miles a day while working just coming and going with a walk around at lunch, maybe to a restaurant or sandwich shop. Men can do that in a suit with the regular shoes that they wear all day. Women should be able to also, without having to change shoes.
The best overall easiest most convenient exercise is walking. It is possible to walk three or more miles a day while working just coming and going with a walk around at lunch, maybe to a restaurant or sandwich shop. Men can do that in a suit with the regular shoes that they wear all day. Women should be able to also, without having to change shoes.
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I have worked for that agency and I have experienced all kinds of unfair treatment. I am glad someone is trying to change things!
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Oh please require all men to wear high heels to work! And submit to a weigh-in once a month, and portion-controlled salads only for lunch. You'll love it, guys. Stand tall, stay thin, and keep quiet about your bunions.
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Reading this article makes me very glad that the only footwear requirement for my work is steel-toed boots!
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Britain punished what it called "treason" with drawing and quartering (hanging uintil half-dead, then ripping open the still-alive body) well into the 19th century.
Britain threatened homosexuality with imprisonment until 1967.
Britain used hanging as capital punishment all the way until 1964.
Britain has no equivalent to our fourth amendment so there is no freedom of speech.
And now women have finally secured the right NOT to wear high heels, which have been shown to be detrimental to podiatric health!
In fine, Britain has a substantial sordid legal history and, in the words of the NYTimes's Roger Cohen, "bears watching".
Britain has a sordid record of
Britain threatened homosexuality with imprisonment until 1967.
Britain used hanging as capital punishment all the way until 1964.
Britain has no equivalent to our fourth amendment so there is no freedom of speech.
And now women have finally secured the right NOT to wear high heels, which have been shown to be detrimental to podiatric health!
In fine, Britain has a substantial sordid legal history and, in the words of the NYTimes's Roger Cohen, "bears watching".
Britain has a sordid record of
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Put aside the high heels for a second, the reality is that you cannot really run a professional business without a dress code. And the notion that it has to be exactly the same for men and women otherwise it is sexist is nonsense, since the sexes simply do not dress the same and never have. If you owned a business and ran a professional office would you really tolerate a man showing up for work in a skirt, or wearing makeup and high heels, just because that is what women do? The temp business here did not create those existing fashion and culture norms. I can understand the reactions people have to the story in this day and age, but you have a private temp business wanting to project a certain image to its clients - one is free to either adhere to it or go elsewhere (as this lady did). And despite all of the claims about how bad high heel wearing is, women wear them all over the place, everywhere, and at tremendous monetary expense and while under no obligation at all to wear them (the fact that some feel "society" in general, or magazines and TV shows, or "Hollywood", or whatever, somehow requires them to do so is not my definition of "obligation"). In that context this hardly jumps out as a great example of modern day sexism.
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But what if, for whatever reason, I choose NOT to wear heels, get sent home from work, and lose a day's pay? Is that acceptable?
Here is my idea: Let's mandate that men have to wear heels for a year before having a voice in this conversation. Or even a week.
Here is my idea: Let's mandate that men have to wear heels for a year before having a voice in this conversation. Or even a week.
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"you cannot really run a professional business without a dress code." - Why is that? Seriously, why is that? If one is working around dangerous equipment or hazardous materials or infectious diseases there most certainly need to be requirements concerning why to wear at work, but most 'professions' these days require staff to sit in front of a computer for most of the day. What is the optimal outfit for that? Whatever the boss says it is? I think not. Highly restrictive or proscriptive dress codes are nearly pointless in any profession that is not the military or where safety in not an issue.
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Dress code? Like don't wear flip flops? You don't see the difference?
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Wait a minute:
'Last summer the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, banned advertisements showing scantily clad women from the city’s public transportation system, saying they promoted unhealthy or unrealistic body images.'
So London has workplaces that say what women ought to wear, and a Mayor that says what women in ads shouldn't be wearing. Oh?
I'll assume that the men in those workplaces have dress expectations as well. As for what men shouldn't be wearing in ads, what does the Mayor say then?
Will the Mayor's women's clothing preferences transfer into real life? Perhaps it is only a matter of time.
'Last summer the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, banned advertisements showing scantily clad women from the city’s public transportation system, saying they promoted unhealthy or unrealistic body images.'
So London has workplaces that say what women ought to wear, and a Mayor that says what women in ads shouldn't be wearing. Oh?
I'll assume that the men in those workplaces have dress expectations as well. As for what men shouldn't be wearing in ads, what does the Mayor say then?
Will the Mayor's women's clothing preferences transfer into real life? Perhaps it is only a matter of time.
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"The firm held an event to address this, and invited all female employees."
Were there any men at the "event"? If so, what did they wear? Did they eat any cupcakes?
2017-01-26 21:03:33 UTC
Were there any men at the "event"? If so, what did they wear? Did they eat any cupcakes?
2017-01-26 21:03:33 UTC
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There is a huge variety and selection of flats that are suitable for formal professional dress.
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Women should read Lysistrata, written in Athens by Aristophanes in ~~~~~ around 411 B.C. and put its lessons into practice. Things would change fast.
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Does Britain live in the 19th century?
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High heels are harmful to the body and company rules like this should be the grounds for a very large class action lawsuit. Lawyers?
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"... no one talked about Mr. Trump’s far more expensive Brioni suits." So much for Trump's "Made in the U.S.A" policy. Are his flats imported too?
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Nicola Thorp had my sympathy until she tried to blame Trump for sexism in Britain. Can't she find a BRITISH politician to complain about?
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She's not blaming Trump, she's using his remarks as an example of the fact that public figures think they have a right and think that it is acceptable to make inappropriate public comments about women and act as though the women have no right to complain or object. Please read more carefully.
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that might be tough, unless you have in your ranks a thrice married happy crotch grabber that likes to hang around beauty pageants and rate women based on looks.
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All this goes to show that burkas and veils are not the only ways in which men control and suppress women. Iron shoes, high heels, silicone boobs, make-up, short skirts and fake smiles are also shackles that imprison women.
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women wear high heels outside of required business dress codes. Have you walked on the street lately or gone to a club? Are men responsible for this or are women? Women need to take more of the blame for themselves.
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Control and suppress? The lady refused to take the job and left the place, and there was nothing the accounting firm could do to stop it. That does not sound much like control on the firm's part. I am not in favor of this firm's policy but for different reasons than control, silicone boobs, etc.
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She is lucky she was able to 1) walk off the job, 2) have the resources to sue and 3) not worry about the tarnish of a lawsuit hurting her future job prospects. Lots of women are not so privileged and just have to "shut up and put up" because they really need the job.
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This is the kind of thing that needs to be stamped out forever.
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We should ban overweight men with less than average facial features from coming to work and require all men to wear tight shirts and pants that reveal the sizes of their muscles. Everyone should try to moisturize their faces at least once at work to overcome the overheated or conditioned workspaces. It's silly that men can look sloppy while women have to look perfect. The west and east both have unrealistic expectations of women. The west want women to look like prostitutes at work and the east don't want to look at women at all and don't want them to work.
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I did not know that there were laws and dress codes in the west that forced women to wear high heels outside of the office (i.e., in clubs, public spaces). Yet they do. Perhaps they need to examine their own tastes.
Not only are women not "forced" to wear high heels, many women now in their 30s, including both my daughters, have never worn them at all, ever (except for Prom). One of them was married in a beautiful designer white gown and flats.
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Try being very short in this society and see how far you go. Nothing like being at a meeting surrounded by people 2.5 taller than you and being completely overlooked. Yup, been there, done that. Whether we like it or not, height matters.
Any orthopedic surgeon or podiatrist will tell you wearing high heels is extremely harmful and causes all kinds of bone problems for women.
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so why do so many women wear them for pleasure (i.e, outside a required business dress code)? Is misogyny to blame for this too?
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I refer to them as fools but there is intense pressure on women to look sexy if they are trying to attract (or keep) a man. If you go to a bar wearing comfortable baggy clothes, no make up and comfy flats good luck finding a guy to look twice at you esp if you are ordinary looking.
Similarly, if you got to a job interview in a white collar establishment, good luck getting the job if you don't look conventionally "professional"; that is, coiffed hair, makeup, jewelry, high heels, matching accessories. If you are naturally gorgeous you can get away with more but most people have to "dress the part" despite the fact that it is uncomfortable, time consuming and expensive.
Similarly, if you got to a job interview in a white collar establishment, good luck getting the job if you don't look conventionally "professional"; that is, coiffed hair, makeup, jewelry, high heels, matching accessories. If you are naturally gorgeous you can get away with more but most people have to "dress the part" despite the fact that it is uncomfortable, time consuming and expensive.
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I am a woman lawyer (currently law professor) and I NEVER wear heels. Even in my 20s I would wear cute flats when I went to work, or out at night. I am 5' 10 1/2" so already tower over most of the guys. Plus, I have bad knees from a car accident when I was 20. It is physically impossible for me to wear heels for longer than a few minutes without my knees swelling up. So not all women wear heels "for pleasure" (a contradiction in terms considering how painful they are; most women take them off as soon as they can and carry flats for the second they are out of whatever social event they needed them for). Further, if anybody attempted to force me to wear heels to work, I suspect I would have a good lawsuit considering my knees.
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Despite the rise of 1930's fascism and/or medieval religion nearly everywhere it remains 2017. Star Trek got the dress code wrong.
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I think a business has a right to have a dress code, but not when it unfairly singles out women. Honestly, if a man isn't required to wear a specific heel height, then neither should a woman be. If a man isn't required to wear make-up (how does one check for that, anyway?!) then a woman shouldn't be, either. Saying that suits or dress pants or shoes are required is one thing, but otherwise, this is just sexist.
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so when men are required to wear suits in 100 degree weather and women are not this is not sexist?
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Absolutely, and I would support their refusal to do so. Considering the historic origin and significance of the necktie, I don't know how they can humiliate themselves daily by wearing them.
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Sure Maggie, let's just show up at work in our pajamas.
My mother's feet, and knees, she attested, were ruined by wearing high heels throughout the forties fifties and sixties. As a consequence, she suffered with bunions, and several surgeries to correct bones that had been crowded so badly by high heels, that they had become dysfunctional.
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"But when a man who has admitted publicly to sexually harassing women is the leader of the free world, . . .”
Leader of the free world is not an elected position. It must be earned. For now it's Angela Merkel.
Leader of the free world is not an elected position. It must be earned. For now it's Angela Merkel.
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but does not Putin more represent the current political environment?
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I quit a restaurant waitress job in 1983, in Poipu, Kauai, because I was required to wear Candies style stiletto, spiked, very high heeled shoes. N0 straps, entirely open heels. All of the male waiters wore practical styled sneaker-like shoes. We also had to dress in tight leotard tops and wrap around skirts, along with flowers in our hair. in addition, I was told to wear my hair in more sexy ways. We were required to do a 'beauty' check in the restroom before opening the doors each day. BTW, I had the highest sales average per customer. I am only guessing that today I could've sued them.
I was paid $2 an hour.
I was paid $2 an hour.
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Any man who complains about having to wear a suit and or tie does NOT get it.
Try wearing 3 inch heels, for even an hour. I'd gladly wear a suit and tie with practical footwear over the torture of heels, (& panty hose!).
Try wearing 3 inch heels, for even an hour. I'd gladly wear a suit and tie with practical footwear over the torture of heels, (& panty hose!).
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I agree. All men should go to work in the nude.
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I agree with Nicola.
However, nobody tells me how to dress, and that's because - I may be a living cliché - but at work I dress 1. to impress and 2. for the job I want. Both, in my personal taste, don't involve sweatpants, flipflop or any other sloppy outfits.
However, nobody tells me how to dress, and that's because - I may be a living cliché - but at work I dress 1. to impress and 2. for the job I want. Both, in my personal taste, don't involve sweatpants, flipflop or any other sloppy outfits.
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She wasn't wearing sweatpants or flip flops. The flats are perfectly professional.
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I think it's legitimate to make a comment that further extends the discussion introduced by an article = based on my personal experience of very sloppy dressed colleagues, who do need a dress-code.
Most people are arguing that the very existence of a dress-code is wrong.
Most people are arguing that the very existence of a dress-code is wrong.
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Are they going to tell us we must bind our feet next? I was born in 1945, in Brooklyn, New York. When I first went to school and until I got to High School, girls were not allowed to wear pants, even in the snow! Is this the what women of the world are in for again? Are they going to tell us to stay barefoot and pregnant? My first job was as a waitress at Schrafts in downtown Brooklyn. We had to wear a black uniform that came with separate, white starched, belts, aprons, cuffs and collars. We had to wear 3" high-heeled, lace up shoes and stockings with seams down the back. We got paid 71 cents an hour plus tips. I was in pain the whole time I worked. One time I actually took off my shoes and walked home from the subway stop in my stocking feet the pain was so bad. Is this what women will have to go back to? Well, WE WILL NOT GO BACK!
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why do so many women wear high heels outside in public and in clubs? Are they being forced to? My guess is not. Yet they do. And men are to blame? This is an insane argument. Women need to take more responsibility for the way they dress outside of formal business dress codes. Yet they refuse. And then they blame men.
Yoda, there is a huge gulf between wearing something by one's own choice and being required to wear something to get or retain one's job.
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So if all employers required that men wear three piece suits, hats, cuff links, dress shoes, and spandex (for portly fellows) you would be okay with that? It wasn't so long ago that men in professional roles pretty much dressed like that every day (minus the spandex).
Personally I'd be thrilled if all sandals were banned for men (with the exception of the beach) because men's feet are UGLY! Dudes, trim those nails and hide those scary things. Nasty.
Personally I'd be thrilled if all sandals were banned for men (with the exception of the beach) because men's feet are UGLY! Dudes, trim those nails and hide those scary things. Nasty.
I read Ms Thorpe's account and am glad that I'm in academia. I can't come into the office donning my bourbon shirt and my beagle-patterned boxer shorts, but nice jeans/khakis are fine. I dress up to see clients but I never wear makeup. I'm sure people would look down on my attire if I were in other workplaces.
What the article doesn't discuss is that for every woman, like me or Ms Thorp, who sees mandatory heels as cruel, there are other women who kvell about being so used to heels that they can run in them. They love them! I'm surprised there hasn't been a comment from a reader that schools us all on looking our best and celebrating femininity. I'm also looking for the comments from women who say heels make them feel powerful.
What the article doesn't discuss is that for every woman, like me or Ms Thorp, who sees mandatory heels as cruel, there are other women who kvell about being so used to heels that they can run in them. They love them! I'm surprised there hasn't been a comment from a reader that schools us all on looking our best and celebrating femininity. I'm also looking for the comments from women who say heels make them feel powerful.
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Choice-- to wear heels or not-- is the point. There must be a choice.
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I'm not anti-heel. And I like them for certain occasions. But they should never be mandated for all women in the workplace. That is simply absurd. And if they are mandated, then men should be compelled to wear them, too.
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Misogyny is alive and well and living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. We've come a long way but there is clearly a long, long way still to go.
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Women wear heels in public where a business dress code is not required. Is misogyny also responsible for that? Or just women's taste in shoes. Women's shoe stores have plenty of high heeled shoes and few of them, I suspect, are there to fulfill business dress codes.
Women need to be called out for their taste in shoes. And their Misogyny.
Women need to be called out for their taste in shoes. And their Misogyny.
I can't even bring myself to talk about the "rules" for dress and makeup for TWA stewardesses in 1960. At least that has changed.
I was stunned by this article...I guess I've been sleeping...well, I'm awake now !!
I was stunned by this article...I guess I've been sleeping...well, I'm awake now !!
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Beware the Law of Unintended Consequences: Women who do not wear makeup or heels to their job interviews will be (even) less likely to be hired. How will that form of discrimination be policed?
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Ah, also known as the makeup tax. Forced to wear makeup, pantyhose, jewelry, etc. in order to get a job. I hate it. A huge waste of money and time in my opinion.
If it were socially acceptable, I'd get a buzz cut, stop wearing any makeup, and wear comfortable and sensible clothes/shoes all the time. Gee, I just described how most men live. Lucky them.
If it were socially acceptable, I'd get a buzz cut, stop wearing any makeup, and wear comfortable and sensible clothes/shoes all the time. Gee, I just described how most men live. Lucky them.
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I am all for a rule that requires high heels in the workplace - as long as men have to abide by it as well.
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I once worked at a shoe store. On a very slow evening, one of my male coworkers (who was VERY flamboyant) put on a pair of women's high-heeled boots.
Let me tell you: he. looked. GORGEOUS. And he flaunted it for the rest of our shift. I wish I still had the photos, he looked absolutely amazing.
That being said, I'm a woman, and I cannot wear heels. I just can't. I don't have that kind of balance. So I completely agree with you on this front, my friend, that men have to abide by it.
Let me tell you: he. looked. GORGEOUS. And he flaunted it for the rest of our shift. I wish I still had the photos, he looked absolutely amazing.
That being said, I'm a woman, and I cannot wear heels. I just can't. I don't have that kind of balance. So I completely agree with you on this front, my friend, that men have to abide by it.
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Unfortunately, there are too many women who cannot or will not fight their bosses at the risk of being fired. They need their salary. There are women who will perform sexual favors to be promoted. Wearing heels and short skirts and makeup are all sexual triggers. Many corporate heads cheer this mentality, this prostitution, as well as the President of our United States. "Grab 'em".
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I am curious, do you support a man's "right" not to wear a suit and tie in 100 degree weather?
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Wearing long sleeves and a coat in 100 degree weather is stupid for anyone. Plus most men have the option of wearing comfortable, lightweight clothes to work then changing into a suit when they get there. No one is standing outside in a suit and working. How you wish to get to work is your choice. Your analogy is a red herring.
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It boggles my mind why men don't challenge the suit and tie expectation more. Oh yeah, most do. Nowadays, both when I am in New York and here in the Australian city where I currently live, I see lots of men go to professional jobs on hot days in polo shirts and khakis, which is doable. The dress down culture has been good for men, too. You can wear less restrictive clothing than was required in the 1980s while still looking professional. Here is Australia, it has been 100 degrees and humid for most of the past month, and men are either in polo shirts or dress shirts (with no undershirt underneath) with the collar open, no tie, and the sleeves rolled up. I even occasionally see men in nice shirts and Bermuda shorts, which makes a lot of sense in this weather. The question, Yoda, is why YOU don't take a stand against ridiculous suits in 100 degree weather, especially in a place as hot and muggy as DC, which is pretty similar to the weather where I live. When I lived in DC I always thought it odd how in DC the culture expected people to dress as though they were in late fall all year round even though in the summer it is sweltering. Maybe you should organize a march about it.
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The British still live in the 17th century. I am surprised, they do not insist on the Chastity Belt for women, when leaving home for work.
Btw, I do not recall PWC apologizing to this women for the glaring discrimination, if it was in the USA, they would be inundated with lawsuits.
Btw, I do not recall PWC apologizing to this women for the glaring discrimination, if it was in the USA, they would be inundated with lawsuits.
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"The British still live in the 17th century."
Elizabeth I was QUEEN for the first few years of "the 17th century", and she did not wear a "Chastity Belt".
See the 2005 HBO film, "Elizabeth I", starring Helen Mirren.
Elizabeth I was QUEEN for the first few years of "the 17th century", and she did not wear a "Chastity Belt".
See the 2005 HBO film, "Elizabeth I", starring Helen Mirren.
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It wasn't PWC's policy; it was the temp agency's.
From the article: "PWC stressed that the dress code required by Portico [the temp agency] in December 2015 was Portico's policy and had been enforced by a Portico supervisor. Nevertheless, it said it regretted that the inquiry was instigated by an incident at its offices, and it remained committed to equality at the workplace"
From the article: "PWC stressed that the dress code required by Portico [the temp agency] in December 2015 was Portico's policy and had been enforced by a Portico supervisor. Nevertheless, it said it regretted that the inquiry was instigated by an incident at its offices, and it remained committed to equality at the workplace"
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Who remembers the infamous "Lindsay Snowstorm" that hit New York during the Lindsay administration? Snow was piled up along the streets for weeks and mass transit was a mess. Even during this terrible weather we were required to wear skirts to school because girls were forbidden to wear pants to school.
I remember walking long city blocks home from school freezing in my skirt and tights or waiting on the bus stop or, worse yet, the elevated train platform with the wind whistling around my ankles. We weren't allowed to wear boots in school either, so if we wanted to protect our legs from the weather we had to lug along a pair of proper shoes to change in to. If you tried to stuff boots in your locker there was no room for anything else.
I remember walking long city blocks home from school freezing in my skirt and tights or waiting on the bus stop or, worse yet, the elevated train platform with the wind whistling around my ankles. We weren't allowed to wear boots in school either, so if we wanted to protect our legs from the weather we had to lug along a pair of proper shoes to change in to. If you tried to stuff boots in your locker there was no room for anything else.
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If Glenda Jackson were still a Member of Parliament, she would have had something memorable to say about this! She's sorely missed. (No pun intended.)
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It is astounding to fly on Virgin Airlines and see female flight attendants working in shiny red high heels. The men, of course, wear sensible shoes on those seven hour flights.
That said, this has nothing to do with Donald Trump, but thanks for the gratuitous insult from across the pond.
That said, this has nothing to do with Donald Trump, but thanks for the gratuitous insult from across the pond.
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Virgin Airlines is owned by a man. Who thinks sex sells.
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If men were required to wear 2 inch heels this would not even be an issue. While some women opt for heels, they are proven to be bad for women's feet, knees, and back. It is punitive for companies to insist that women wear damaging footwear.
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Clearly, men requiring women to wear high heels, nylons, etc., is discriminatory and sexist. However, it is not just men who expect so- called professional attire in the work place. Personally, I question the expectations of women on exactly the same things, and am surprised to see the many comments that insist that these "rules" are all solely empowered by males. Makeup, shoes, low cut or tight garments are also the status quo from women in positions of power. I've never understood the shoe fetish that many women, including those in my family, are obsessed with. Although not as uncomfortable as wearing stilettos, I've always felt the same way about suits and ties. I just turned 70 and have never owned a suit, despite being a publishing executive and then teacher for 40 years. Fashion can be social fascism in the insistence on dress codes among adults that are more faddish and restrictive than those of teenagers!
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Ms. Thorpe used the specific term "sexual harassment" to refer to Donald Trump's boasting. Why is the NYT recasting her words as "behaving badly toward women"?
He didn't burp of farting in their presence. He boasted of assault.
I appreciate the article, but the reporter adds to the problem by dumbing down what Trump did.
He didn't burp of farting in their presence. He boasted of assault.
I appreciate the article, but the reporter adds to the problem by dumbing down what Trump did.
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He didn't boast of assault. He boasted that women let him grope them. Bad, but not the same.
No, he said he grabbed and kissed them without permission. Big difference.
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Ms Thorp says, '...when men around the world had a role model in the White House.'
Ms Thorp, I do NOT have a role model in the White House.
Ms Thorp, I do NOT have a role model in the White House.
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Yeah, I don't think this has to do with Trump. Besides, Britain really can't talk about anyone else's leadership- they still pay a monarchy to do nothing.
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I remember when I had to wear dresses or suits to work. I am so glad my daughter doesn't have to.
I am astonished when I see women in 4 inch heels. Heels aren't just bad for the feet; they are worse for the back, which these women will feel as they get older.
I have noticed that particularly in the financial industry, 4 inch heels, short skirts, and playboy bodies are the norm.
I am astonished when I see women in 4 inch heels. Heels aren't just bad for the feet; they are worse for the back, which these women will feel as they get older.
I have noticed that particularly in the financial industry, 4 inch heels, short skirts, and playboy bodies are the norm.
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Heels can cause blisters, back and foot pain in the short term and can cause lasting damage. It is beyond unreasonable to require this when it serves no purpose other than to be pretty. It adds nothing to job performance and can hurt it if you're in pain. There is no comparable dress code rule that could be enforced on men, nor should one be.
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Actually, men don't like to be obliged to wear ties and suits (especially in hot weather and when they are not working with customers). The Guardian newspaper printed many of their comments in an article on this news yesterday.
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Gosh, it's so hard to be a man. Wearing ties and suits does not cause permanent damage to the male body.
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Being pretty is a reasonable part of the job description for a receptionist.
I was a little shocked to read in the second paragraph that Ms. Thorp was reporting for work at PwC. In 1989 the firm lost a landmark Supreme Court case (Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins) for denying partnership to an employee who, among other things, was told she needed to "walk more femininely, talk more femininely, dress more femininely, wear make-up, have her hair styled, and wear jewelry."
Ms. Thorp was fired by a temp agency, not PwC, but it is still inexcusable that 28 years later, PwC is indirectly enforcing dress codes that discriminate based on gender.
Ms. Thorp was fired by a temp agency, not PwC, but it is still inexcusable that 28 years later, PwC is indirectly enforcing dress codes that discriminate based on gender.
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Maybe the rules are different for these companies outside the U.S.
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"... a landmark Supreme Court case (Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins) ...."
Thorp is in Britain. US Supreme Court cases don't apply in Britain.
Thorp is in Britain. US Supreme Court cases don't apply in Britain.
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My point is just that PwC should be more sensitive to this issue given its past. It's an outrageous policy whether or not it's illegal.
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Must assume the British Dress Code hasn't been changed since the 1950's ...
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All depends on the nature of the workplace. I have no objection to women wearing heels if the men have to wear speedos and trench-coats.
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If the company is going to pay to treat my bunions and bursitis, which are exacerbated by wearing heels, then I might consider it. (Not really - still too painful.)
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Not long ago I worked for the same firm in Mexico, where the heel was in fact a requirement for all female employees, as was wearing wearing subdued colors (both men and women were subject to this one). I wish I still had the glossy dress code manual, complete with diagrams on length (skirts, shirts, heels) and a color guide (with an "x" over the flamboyant ones). At least dress pants were deemed appropriate by the powers (partners) at be.
It's a great firm with a lot of opportunity. However, while entry level positions were evenly split between women and men, the farther up the chain you went, the more women dropped off. About 5% of the partners were women.
The firm held an event to address this, and invited all female employees. The invitation was a pastel pink email with swirly writing adorned with flowers. At the event we got cupcakes.
But I was never sent home for wearing flats.
It's a great firm with a lot of opportunity. However, while entry level positions were evenly split between women and men, the farther up the chain you went, the more women dropped off. About 5% of the partners were women.
The firm held an event to address this, and invited all female employees. The invitation was a pastel pink email with swirly writing adorned with flowers. At the event we got cupcakes.
But I was never sent home for wearing flats.
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"At the event we got cupcakes."
Were there any men at the event? What did they eat?
Were there any men at the event? What did they eat?
The existence of this British law goes to show that women in the US have more rights and freedom than most anywhere else in the world.
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There are still some firms in the US with a dress code requiring women to wear heels.
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Thank you for mansplaining my rights to me, Jack. The world gets so very confusing when I step outside of my kitchen.
Just because 'A' faces less discrimination than 'B' does not make discrimination anywhere okay.
Just because 'A' faces less discrimination than 'B' does not make discrimination anywhere okay.
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I notice you don't say that women in the US have equal rights to men.
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In the 80's, I remember a co-worker coming back upset from a job interview at a major brokerage house. They had chastised her for wearing a beige suit to the interview rather than a navy one.
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This article should be written in 1968! I'm getting whiplash trying to get my head back into January 2017. This is devastatingly dated and embarrassing. Women deserve better than this patriarchal nonsense. Resist the Patriarchy!!
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Receptionists sit behind counters that block sight of their feet. Yet PwC says receptionists must wear only certain type of dress shoes.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
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You're missing the line where she said she escorted visitors to meeting rooms -- so she was apparently seen walking down the hall on a regular basis.
Not that that was a valid excuse for requiring her to wear high heels.
Not that that was a valid excuse for requiring her to wear high heels.
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Small but important point: it wasn't a PwC policy, it was Portico, the employment agency, who made the demand.
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You are missing a number of things. Receptionists don't typically sit behind a desk all day. And the "rule" is a blatant power stunt by the, indubitably, male hierarchy: they insist on sexist nonsense because they can.
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I was at the Bellagio in las Vegas last year. The women at the check in desk told me they had to wear high heel shoes as part of their job requirement. Since they are standing all day, and you can't see their feet behind the tall counters, I considered this inhumane. I hope they read this story and do something to change their situation.
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"... you can't see their feet behind the tall counters, ..."
Don't they need to see over "the tall counters"?
Don't they need to see over "the tall counters"?
No, they are standing behind a counter so no one can see their feet. The counters aren't so tall that they need to wear high heels to see over them. If necessary their employer can provide a friggin ladder.
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So...at least in London, why doesn't the same mayor who banned ads of "scantily clad women" from the city's public transportation system get together with his city council to ban the requirements of higher heels, make-up and certain clothes in the workplace? Wouldn't that be simple? Why is it such a big deal?
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I suspect that the mayor of London has more control over that city's public transit (he's the chairman, and also appoints the people who run it) than over private companies.
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Why should the mayor of London dictate how women dress on billboards based upon his own personal or religious beliefs? It's a form of censorship. What's next? No bathing suits on the beach or whatever form of dress a woman chooses to wear?
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Time to stop punishing women and time to make both sexes equal. If women must wear hose, bras, make-up, nail polish, high heels, etc, then SO SHOULD MEN! We are not here on this earth for your pleasure. We are here as equals.
Have you ever done an eight-hour shift in pain because your feet hurt do to the shoes that you are wearing make you stand on your toes?
MEN THE TIMES ARE CHANGING! I say we should burn our bras while we are at it! TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!
Have you ever done an eight-hour shift in pain because your feet hurt do to the shoes that you are wearing make you stand on your toes?
MEN THE TIMES ARE CHANGING! I say we should burn our bras while we are at it! TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!
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People need to crowdsource funding for these types of cases: sexist laws, fake news (i.e. PizzaGate), and the lot. Most times, the weak don't have the funding and legal resources of the strong. This may be a more effective strategy than programs labeled with "Democratic cause".
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A few years back a young woman in China mentioned to me that an amusement park offered free admission (to the park and all rides) if they wore skirts a certain length above the knee. I have forgotten the precise length, but I recall thinking that it was a good length to reveal everything in various situations at the park and in any event it would be a lure to young men who would have to pay admission. She was surprised when I commented to this effect. Before my comment, she had thought it was just an attractive offer. After my comment, she said it was something she would have to ponder.
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Thank you Ms. Thorp for speaking out! I am a lawyer who enjoys fashion, but I refuse to wear high heels or any uncomfortable clothing or shoes. When I began my legal career, law firms still had detailed dress codes requiring women to wear "nude pantyhose" and skirt suits (never pantsuits), especially if they were appearing before a judge in a courtroom. We've come a long way, but we still have a lot of work to do when it comes to our attitudes and judgments about the appearance of women in the workplace.
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Isn't requiring men to wear suits and ties equally sexist? Don't get me wrong, I think this is great. No company should be able to require a woman to tart herself up. However, we do tend to gloss over the impositions on men.
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Yea, men have it so rough.
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My thoughts exactly. I'm all for women wearing what makes them feel most comfortable. It follows that as a man, I too would like to wear what makes me most comfortable. I enjoy putting a suit and tie on now and then, but if I were made to wear a tie to work every day, I would be a bit upset. I don't have to, but I'm certain this is standard policy at the majority of office jobs, which is unfortunate.
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I would agree that there are impositions on men if they're company dress code requires them to wear their suits suggestively tight or maybe leave a few buttons undone so that we can all get a peek.
I think the notion of looking "nice" with respect to office attire really meant look "sexually attractive" and it was meant to apply only to women.
I think the notion of looking "nice" with respect to office attire really meant look "sexually attractive" and it was meant to apply only to women.
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I do have to say that Theresa May looked awesome in her expensive pants. The reason why Trump's expensive suits don't get comments is that they don't look good on him and neither do his extra long, taped up ties.
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Yes, he famously spends a lot of dough on Brioni suits and still looks awful. When he was inaugurated he didn't (as usual) even bother to button his suit coat and we were treated to the sight of his belly hanging over his belt, Hughie Long style, as he took the oath of office. In addition, his sons look like refugees from the 1980's, with their greased back hair and "power suits". And then there's poor Melania. Whenever we see her, she is exceedingly chic and all that, but perched upon impossibly high heels. Yes, they look sexy....but very painful. All part of being married to Trump, I guess.
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"Portico . . . said it had rewritten its code almost immediately after the issue was raised by Ms. Thorp, dropping the heel requirement, among others." Well, good for them! But they also sent her home without pay -- did she get that back, maybe with interest?
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Yes! Its time women question WHY they prescribe to certain "feminine" practices:for themselves or for men? We are not objects up for grabs.
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Heels are terrible for your feet. They differ from foot-binding only in degree, not in kind.
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Ms. Thorp claims to be an actress. Does she also insist on her own chosen apparel at that job?
Your comparison is improper here. An actress may be called upon to wear particular clothing in role she may play, but there is some connection between the clothing choices and the role. While I don't know definitively, I suspect there is some level of discussion in the apparel chosen and what the person feel comfortable wearing. However, each of those clothing pieces is likely tied to the vision of the role and or the practicalities of the person in the movie/play. In contrast, heel size has absolutely no connection to how to the essential job functions of a receptionist (e.g., the ability to greet visitors, answer the phone, escort guests and other associated duties). The issue here is simply one of gender stereotyping and how one wants a woman to look in the worklplace.
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Go ask an actress — any actress — about the gender inequities that they have to navigate in order to get a job, get paid, and how they deal with it. Then ask a woman in the military, a woman in finance, a woman in medicine — any woman who holds a job. Try doing it in shoes and a dress that you'd wear to get dressed up to party in, but that you would never wear on the job.
You'll have your answer.
You'll have your answer.
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WOW You are about five steps behind the times.
We don't need make-up, fake nails, high heels, tight skirts or pantyhose to make us more beautiful - more beautiful is subjective anyway. High heels are proven to be bad for our feet, back, and legs. They should never be a requirement.
We don't need make-up, fake nails, high heels, tight skirts or pantyhose to make us more beautiful - more beautiful is subjective anyway. High heels are proven to be bad for our feet, back, and legs. They should never be a requirement.
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Spent a short time at the advertising agency, Ogilvy and Mather, where I was told by a creative director I'd advance further by wearing low cut dresses.
I did not comply.
I did, however, date a senior producer. The day they laid me off, claiming "cost cutting," they bought him an SUV that cost more than my salary.
I also worked for a digital design firm whose CFO told a colleague of mine that she needed to wear a bra. "Other women are starting to not wear bras, and the men are complaining."
Yes, the men who sat in my cubicle who watched porn throughout the day.
Business values. And no, I don't think a good businessman can make America great.
I did not comply.
I did, however, date a senior producer. The day they laid me off, claiming "cost cutting," they bought him an SUV that cost more than my salary.
I also worked for a digital design firm whose CFO told a colleague of mine that she needed to wear a bra. "Other women are starting to not wear bras, and the men are complaining."
Yes, the men who sat in my cubicle who watched porn throughout the day.
Business values. And no, I don't think a good businessman can make America great.
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Perfect story to illustrate why there was a Women's March last week-end.
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With sub-primate bosses who demand that women wear stilettos, maybe women in those environments should carry stilettos.
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Not to mention that heels actually do long term damage to women's feet and other posture related distortions. It is a medical issue.
I once worked in an office in the northeast that forbade women to wear boots in the office or store them under a desk in winter even if we had snow banks. Men, no problem.
I once worked in an office in the northeast that forbade women to wear boots in the office or store them under a desk in winter even if we had snow banks. Men, no problem.
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Does this mean that men won't have to wear suits anymore? It's about time.
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If suits caused physical pain, injuries, and long-term damage, and were required only for one gender, this would be a reasonable comment.
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I think it is a reasonable comment Lizbeth. Men's suits are uncomfortable, expensive and they do not contribute in any way to the workplace except as a visual display of either power or, paradoxically, subordination.
Fewer and fewer workplaces require suits, in comparison to a few decades ago. But also, it's not the same. Requiring a woman to wear heels and makeup objectifies her. Now, if the dress code said men's suits had to be shapely or something like that, then THAT's sexist.
Suppose a workplace required both men and women to wear suits and ties. Perhaps there would be a revolt, but the reasoning behind it would be different. It wouldn't be about discrimination or objectification but lack of comfort. It would be like desk workers asking for ergonomic chairs or air conditioning. By the way, did you know offices tend to be cold to cater to men in suits and blazers?
Suppose a workplace required both men and women to wear suits and ties. Perhaps there would be a revolt, but the reasoning behind it would be different. It wouldn't be about discrimination or objectification but lack of comfort. It would be like desk workers asking for ergonomic chairs or air conditioning. By the way, did you know offices tend to be cold to cater to men in suits and blazers?
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Professionalism,not sexism, determines dress codes. Physical pain impacts brain performance. Companies, it's in YOUR best interest to have productive employess in comfortable professional attire not distracted by aching bodies.
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Look for the real motives.
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I'm just curious if the men in the company had a dress code. Men may be just as unhappy, but they aren't signing petitions
Dress codes to convey professionalism in certain professions are understandable, for men and woman.
When I worked once as a bank teller, I had to wear closed toe shoes and professional attire. People with tattoos had to cover them, which I never understood.
When I worked as a chemist, the dress code was a lab coat and safety glasses.
I guess, dress codes make sense for both sexes depending on the profession and the importance add purpose of attire. In a chemistry lab, OSHA demands attire that protects the individual. In a law firm I would imagine that the dress code would be one that convey professionalism and the seriousness of handling legal matters. I would imagine that the dress code for doctors in a hospital is a practical one dictated by safety.
If a woman or a man is in a profession that is a sales profession, I would imagine that the appearance of the individual probably plays and important part in that business, which is sales.
If a person objects to being forced to wear sexy outfits (I would), then the person should find a different occupation. I'm sure there are men out there who are not exactly thrilled to have to wear a starched shirt, tie, a suit and dress shoes either.
I'm sorry, but my take on this is to just move on, stop whining, and find a job where you like the attire.
Dress codes to convey professionalism in certain professions are understandable, for men and woman.
When I worked once as a bank teller, I had to wear closed toe shoes and professional attire. People with tattoos had to cover them, which I never understood.
When I worked as a chemist, the dress code was a lab coat and safety glasses.
I guess, dress codes make sense for both sexes depending on the profession and the importance add purpose of attire. In a chemistry lab, OSHA demands attire that protects the individual. In a law firm I would imagine that the dress code would be one that convey professionalism and the seriousness of handling legal matters. I would imagine that the dress code for doctors in a hospital is a practical one dictated by safety.
If a woman or a man is in a profession that is a sales profession, I would imagine that the appearance of the individual probably plays and important part in that business, which is sales.
If a person objects to being forced to wear sexy outfits (I would), then the person should find a different occupation. I'm sure there are men out there who are not exactly thrilled to have to wear a starched shirt, tie, a suit and dress shoes either.
I'm sorry, but my take on this is to just move on, stop whining, and find a job where you like the attire.
"People say sexism is not an issue anymore. But when a man who has admitted publicly to sexually harassing women is the leader of the free world, it is more crucial than ever to have laws that protect women.”
That says it all.
That says it all.
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But just who said sexism is not an issue anymore? I have never heard anyone say that, it seems the lady made it up just to giver herself a segue for an anti-Trump comment in the context of a story about heels discrimination. And I am not so sure she needed a law to protect herself anyway, as she seems to have handled things just fine.
In my mind he has, rather, lowered the respect of the office and the country at large. The office itself cannot raise a man like him up to be leader of the free world.
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The usual disgusting demeaning of telling women what to do, how to dress. Just think that women were told to open up their blouses a few buttons and shorten their skirts!
This continuing patriarchal idea that pervades our life on a world wide basis has got to be buried. Just look at Trump surrounded by men while signing an edict!! denying abortions to women on a country wide basis. We have to get out of this prison men want to keep us in.
Good for Ms. Thorpe. It's a pity it took her 5 months to get this petition out. As for Ms. May professionalism isn't shown by high heels and short skirts, nor by expensive pants but by what is in your brain and what comes out of your mouth.
This continuing patriarchal idea that pervades our life on a world wide basis has got to be buried. Just look at Trump surrounded by men while signing an edict!! denying abortions to women on a country wide basis. We have to get out of this prison men want to keep us in.
Good for Ms. Thorpe. It's a pity it took her 5 months to get this petition out. As for Ms. May professionalism isn't shown by high heels and short skirts, nor by expensive pants but by what is in your brain and what comes out of your mouth.
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"Ms. Thorp lauded the inquiry’s conclusion, saying it was all the more imperative in the Trump era, when men around the world had a role model in the White House who had boasted about behaving badly toward women."
Sigh.
No, NYT, she didn't say "behaving badly." She said "sexually harassed." And if precise language is what readers should expect, the correct phrase wshe use be "boasted about sexually assaulting women."
Sigh.
No, NYT, she didn't say "behaving badly." She said "sexually harassed." And if precise language is what readers should expect, the correct phrase wshe use be "boasted about sexually assaulting women."
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Doesn't it say exactly that in the paragraph just below the one you cite? Perhaps the NYT was just trying to avoid redundancy.
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Kudos to Nicola.
In 2015 El Al (Israeli airline) demanded that its stewardesses wear high heels until all passengers are seated in the plane (a change from the previous order to wear heals just till the boarding starts). The infuriating thing about this announcement, that caused a huge uproar among the stewardesses, was the person demanding it. It was the former advisor on women issues to the Chief of Staff of the Israeli military, i.e. the highest ranking female officer in charge of women soldiers, she was the one issuing the new order. I wonder if her old fashioned attitude also influenced her decisions during her military service.
I admire Nicola and hope her actions will drive women to fight sexism that still reigns everywhere. Even small gains make huge changes.
In 2015 El Al (Israeli airline) demanded that its stewardesses wear high heels until all passengers are seated in the plane (a change from the previous order to wear heals just till the boarding starts). The infuriating thing about this announcement, that caused a huge uproar among the stewardesses, was the person demanding it. It was the former advisor on women issues to the Chief of Staff of the Israeli military, i.e. the highest ranking female officer in charge of women soldiers, she was the one issuing the new order. I wonder if her old fashioned attitude also influenced her decisions during her military service.
I admire Nicola and hope her actions will drive women to fight sexism that still reigns everywhere. Even small gains make huge changes.
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So she introduced a rule that she thought, probably correctly, would increase business. I would not draw any conclusions either way about her service as an officer.
High heels are today's equivalent of nineteenth-century corsets; they define propriety while being dangerous to one's physical health. The idea that one should need to wear them -- or be blonde or wear makeup or wear skirts -- to do one's job properly only highlights that these jobs are not about doing real work; they are about being eye-candy. And do not think that this is unique to the UK. One of the top American think tanks in my field required women to wear skirts through the end of the twentieth century at least and may still.
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I wonder if that is why Julie Roberts and so many other female entertainers go barefoot in public events lately? Hope so.
I don't think high heels look good, unlike make-up or skirts which I approve of, exactly for the reason of the negative health effects. I would disagree about your comment about "real work" and "eye candy". Surely the job involves both being eye candy and other duties. And I don't see why being eye candy should not be considered real work.
Bravo, Ms. Thorp! You fought and won. I salute you.
To the UK: I had no idea there was such a huge cultural gap between your country and mine. Forty years ago I worked in a bookstore where we females petitioned for the right to wear slacks and flats. We won that right. And easily. It was awkward and embarrassing to open boxes in a skirt or dress, because opening boxes required us to bend over.
This is the 21st century, not 1955. The UK needs to get out more. Get some fresh air and look at the world around you.
We women do not exist for men.
To the UK: I had no idea there was such a huge cultural gap between your country and mine. Forty years ago I worked in a bookstore where we females petitioned for the right to wear slacks and flats. We won that right. And easily. It was awkward and embarrassing to open boxes in a skirt or dress, because opening boxes required us to bend over.
This is the 21st century, not 1955. The UK needs to get out more. Get some fresh air and look at the world around you.
We women do not exist for men.
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Ms. Boston, your tsk tsking and chiding the UK fall on skeptical ears for this NY based Brit. Sexist rules and regs remain in full flower in the enlightened US of A. Just take a look at how the benighted Trump's lewd lad antics and outrageously sexist, demeaning comments about women's anatomy and apparel got him the Presidency.
Sexism remains alive and thriving in America--even civilized *New* England!
Sexism remains alive and thriving in America--even civilized *New* England!
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I'm in the US. I worked in an investment company where I was required to wear dresses and skirts. Pantyhose were mandatory- even in the summer. Also, the Times has run a few stories over the past couple of years about female attorneys being required to wear heels, skirts, and hose in the courtroom.
Even if women are not required to wear makeup and heels, it's still expected. If you want to keep your job, there's no real difference between required and expected.
Even if women are not required to wear makeup and heels, it's still expected. If you want to keep your job, there's no real difference between required and expected.
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I'm a woman in her 60s who has lived in both countries - more than a decade as an adult in each. I'm also a lifelong feminist. Generally speaking, the UK is no more sexist than US, although there are plenty of sexist people and employers in both countries. You might also note that Theresa May is the second female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I don't want to be insulting, but unless you've actually researched it or lived there yourself, you might want to "get out more" yourself before you throw stones at other countries, especially based on one lawsuit.
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I think that it is perfectly reasonable to demand that women wear two inch heels IF men are required to do the same. Considering that men are generally taller, it would be appropriate to require a minimum of 2.5 inches. If women are required to wear skirts, men should too. I would think that kilts would be ok.
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Until about 1740, men did wear high heels. Soldiers, Louis XIV and others. More of a history to heels than you might think.
for sure, 'Spread the pain!' as MLK said
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Dress codes which promote sexism, not professionalism, are wrong. Simply wrong and illegal.
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What a perfect example of man-made laws that try to control women. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Why do women put up with it?
Women in America have one right - the vote - because it is written into the United States Constitution. Every other thing about a woman's body and life can be determined by man-made laws.
The U.S. Constitution says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all MEN are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among those are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."
Just exactly who is it that thinks that they have a right to control women's bodies and lives? Women were endowed by their creator with the inalienable right to decide what to do with their own bodies and lives - including when to give birth to a child.
NOW is the time to DEMAND passage of the EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION to stop male and religious attacks on women's bodies and lives forever. It is not the 5th century, or the 15th or 1950. It is the 21st century. Powerful, smart, strong socially conscious women are here to stay and take one-half the power in the world for a more balanced world.
Come on Women's Groups. Women and men have been supporting you for decades. Step up, join together and seize this moment of OUR story to get it done.
Pro-life women - relax. No one will force you to use contraception, family planning or abortion. It's your choice.
Women in America have one right - the vote - because it is written into the United States Constitution. Every other thing about a woman's body and life can be determined by man-made laws.
The U.S. Constitution says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all MEN are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among those are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."
Just exactly who is it that thinks that they have a right to control women's bodies and lives? Women were endowed by their creator with the inalienable right to decide what to do with their own bodies and lives - including when to give birth to a child.
NOW is the time to DEMAND passage of the EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION to stop male and religious attacks on women's bodies and lives forever. It is not the 5th century, or the 15th or 1950. It is the 21st century. Powerful, smart, strong socially conscious women are here to stay and take one-half the power in the world for a more balanced world.
Come on Women's Groups. Women and men have been supporting you for decades. Step up, join together and seize this moment of OUR story to get it done.
Pro-life women - relax. No one will force you to use contraception, family planning or abortion. It's your choice.
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One correction - we women did not get the vote because it was in the Constitution. We weren't "allowed" to vote until 1920, and that was the result of a lot of protests.
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Yes, PoorButFree, but it was a Constitutional Amendment that enshrined in in law so states could not undo it. According to Wikipedka, "The Nineteenth Amendment (Amendment XIX) to the United States Constitution prohibits any United States citizen from being denied the right to vote on the basis of sex. It was ratified on August 18, 1920. Until the 1910s, most states did not give women the right to vote."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_...
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Why is it men still feel they have the right to tell women how to dress or anything else especially what they can do with their bodies? Hey you chauvinistic pigs, it's the 21st century. Get over yourselves.
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The word "some" needs to be inserted before the word "men" in your post to make it accurate, fair and more likely to gain support from "most" men
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It is very shocking to read that such practices still exist. Speak up! denounce and rebel against these chauvinist pigs.
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Who says it is "men" who are "tell[ing] women how to dress"? You should watch "The Devil Wears Prada" and pay special attention to the cerulean speech delivered by Meryl Streep.
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Nicola Thorp is another hero to me. I will be sending along this article to every friend I have, because I can assure you that a number of friends need just such an inspiration.
We keep on.
We keep on.
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If he had been almost anyone else he'd be a registered sex offender now instead of the President.