Coincidentally (or is it) Trump's triumph occurred 77 years, 365 days (this is a leap year of 366 days, so one day short of 78 years) after one of Nazi Germany's best known atrocities. With Trump in the White House and the hyper-racist alt-right in jubilant celebration, is America's Krystallnacht but a matter of time?
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When the White House goes up in flames, we'll know we've reached Kristallnacht (no offense, that's the proper spelling of it).
Scary thought.
Scary thought.
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"A recent surge in hate crimes...."
When will the NY Times admit the term "hate crime" is nothing more than a political invective selectively tossed around. We saw graphically a man being beaten by African Americans in Chicago. They were belittling him for "he voted for Trump". The perpetrators have been arrested. Are they being charged with a hate crime? Take a guess...
When will the NY Times admit the term "hate crime" is nothing more than a political invective selectively tossed around. We saw graphically a man being beaten by African Americans in Chicago. They were belittling him for "he voted for Trump". The perpetrators have been arrested. Are they being charged with a hate crime? Take a guess...
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There is a certain silliness to making such a big deal out of such a tiny group of people. In a country of 320 million, you will find believers in just about anything imaginable. What's next, New York Times front page coverage of the Flat Earth Society? How about the Sasquatch Genome Society? The Humanoid Reptilian Elite?
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"...the plight of white racists."
Ah, poor, suffering babies. Of all the groups that deserve sympathy, they don't even rank.
The blight of white racists.
Ah, poor, suffering babies. Of all the groups that deserve sympathy, they don't even rank.
The blight of white racists.
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Everything about this election has been disturbing. It's more insult to injury to see a group like this using the David as a backdrop for their diseased hate and racism.
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Now is the time for all good citizens to come to the aid of open American decency. If we truly think that we will win, win, win so much that we'll get tired of winning because of the fearful, hateful, narrow reclusion of the alt-right, then we have lost the essential point of more than 200 years of American history. The alt-right mindset never made America great in the first place.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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"Alt right" is the politically correct label for fascism quite obviously, the photo of three revelers doing the Nazi salute should be proudly published for all of America to see. It can happen here.
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I think the NY Times is being too PC by referring to this group as "alt right" rather than what they really are, fascists and white suprematists. Don't let them dictate the terms by which you identify them.
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Gee, I am white. My ancestor came to America in 1720 and I love my country.
My ancestors worked hard to build this country and our freedoms.
Now I am told I am a bad guy because I am white and a nationalist. What the Hell is happening to my country? Who are these people who denigrate those
of us who's forefathers gave us our freedom and built this country?
My ancestors worked hard to build this country and our freedoms.
Now I am told I am a bad guy because I am white and a nationalist. What the Hell is happening to my country? Who are these people who denigrate those
of us who's forefathers gave us our freedom and built this country?
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Sorry. But if you can't see the difference between yourself and these so-called 'White Nationalists' -- you're in trouble.
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Is this who the majority of Trump voters want? Will they speak up to condemn these deplorable in their midst? Or should the nation become accommodating to making America great again, with fascists in the vanguard and the rest of us silent witnesses to a great nation's decline?
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This made me think of Skokie, IL and the Nazis' fight to march there in 1977. I think this country is going through enough right now; time for President-elect Trump to disavow such hate groups.
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",,,time for President-elect Trump to disavow such hate groups."
Good idea. But that's never going to happen.
Trump is too much of a narcissist to turn his back on a group that supports him.
And if the pattern holds, he may even reward their loyalty with a position in his cabinet.
Good idea. But that's never going to happen.
Trump is too much of a narcissist to turn his back on a group that supports him.
And if the pattern holds, he may even reward their loyalty with a position in his cabinet.
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They are white supremacists not white nationalists. Call it what it is.
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The only people willing to build the wall are illegal immigrants. $200 a day. Cash.
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I was for Bernie, hence I'm about as far from alt-right as you can get. However, I am for objectivity in news stories. Suppose the writers of this piece, in another context, wrote about the "so-called Black Lives Matter" movement. Result: outrage. It would be called an attempt to delegitimize or deamean the movement. But "so-called alt-right movement?" Not a peep, to the extent I looked. I guess the far-right doesn't read the NYTs. Nevertheless, the reporters and copy-editors should have known that swipe wasn't objectives.
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Wait a minute. Here we have a group of unabashed White Supremacists reveling in the president-elect's victory... and you're more concerned with semantics???
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Let's face it if either political party had invested any political capital in the legitimate grievances and needs of the working class, instead of mindlessly doing the bidding of their corporate masters, than this group of bigots would be so small they would be meeting in a phone booth.
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If a black group calls for killing whites and cops in the open (i.e., not lurking in the web's dark corners, masking themselves) it is not a worrisome thing because? It isn't the result of a sitting presidents rhetoric, yet the case at hand is the result of a president elect's rhetoric, because? The idea that only a specific race can be racist is, on its face, racism. It is either acceptable, or it is not. Yes, people do have free speech. They do NOT have the right to beat and kill people. If an unarmed asian gets shot by police, its not covered by the media because the media is full of people that are far more racist than these "nationalists" ever dreamed of being. The media has successfully gotten dim wits to believe that its okay to hate the white or asian races because, you know - they aren't the "right" race. I don't know how anyone capable of thinking would think that way, but its where we are at.
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Unfortunately all the things you point out as reasonable are dismissed by liberals and progressives as racist and white privilege.
So the liberals will continue to accuse Trump supporters of being deplorables. The Democratic Party has a single vision etched in stone and any deviation or alternative will be labelled as racist, uninformed and uneducated. Any debate on more stringent immigration enforcement will be labelled as xenophobic. And free trade, that's the interesting one. For years we've been hearing how it was the nasty Republicans who were responsible for off-shoring and imports. Now those are progressive unstoppable forces in the world. And the remedy Democrats propose? Raise the minimum wage.
So the liberals will continue to accuse Trump supporters of being deplorables. The Democratic Party has a single vision etched in stone and any deviation or alternative will be labelled as racist, uninformed and uneducated. Any debate on more stringent immigration enforcement will be labelled as xenophobic. And free trade, that's the interesting one. For years we've been hearing how it was the nasty Republicans who were responsible for off-shoring and imports. Now those are progressive unstoppable forces in the world. And the remedy Democrats propose? Raise the minimum wage.
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First. President Obama has NEVER endorsed any group to incite racial violence.
Nor has he ever spoken out vehemently against any race or ethnicity, as Donald Trump has done.
Get your facts straight.
Nor has he ever spoken out vehemently against any race or ethnicity, as Donald Trump has done.
Get your facts straight.
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@N. Smith: Obama jumped in head first into stirring the racial pot when Michael Brown beat that shopkeeper and grabbed for the police officer's gun.
The sins of Ferguson? Requiring folks to show up for their court dates.
The sins of Ferguson? Requiring folks to show up for their court dates.
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Sunshine is a potent antiseptic, so this story needs to be told. It tells a hard truth, one that leaves many of us heartsick about the rise and legitimization of groups fueled by hate.
If those who espouse this kind of thinking suggest they and other adherents are the pinnacle of evolution, God help us.
If those who espouse this kind of thinking suggest they and other adherents are the pinnacle of evolution, God help us.
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The medias strained credibility takes another hit every time they post garbage like this. The Communist Party endorsed Hillary, and like the nutjobs in this article, focusing on the extreme .00001% and trying to project their beliefs onto 60 million people is ridiculous. Real journalism is missing from this publication.
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Just for the record. "Real journalism" reports facts and can corroborate them.
Unlike that fiction found online masquerading as news.
Intelligent readers know how to check the sources, instead of just swallowing the muck.
And Trump's endorsement by the KKK makes it probable that he is in some way, ideologically close to White Nationalists.
There's more to this story than you think.
Unlike that fiction found online masquerading as news.
Intelligent readers know how to check the sources, instead of just swallowing the muck.
And Trump's endorsement by the KKK makes it probable that he is in some way, ideologically close to White Nationalists.
There's more to this story than you think.
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Wondering why the mainstream media continues to cover these fringe events and people, the numbers are so small, it seems to bring credibility to places that do not deserve. If I were to start a group that thinks tiddlywinks hold the key to happiness, would that get covered?
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This story is a sad excuse for co-mingling the term "White Nationalists" with "Trump". There is no evidence to suggest Donald Trump is a racist--or that he supports these idiots--but that won't stop the NY Times from creating this dishonest juxtaposition.
This is why you guys lost. You can't even FAKE impartiality.
This is why you guys lost. You can't even FAKE impartiality.
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Oh. So that was just some doppelganger who looked like Trump spewing out all that racist rhetoric for the last year and a half??... And that Ku Klux Klan endorsement was just a hoax?
See, most New Yorkers already know better about this guy -- Ever wonder why he didn't spend too much time campaigning here and he didn't get the votes???
Another thing.
"You guys" didn't lose.
The country did.
See, most New Yorkers already know better about this guy -- Ever wonder why he didn't spend too much time campaigning here and he didn't get the votes???
Another thing.
"You guys" didn't lose.
The country did.
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@ N. Smith: unless you have proof that Trump is somehow allied with--or shares the same belief as white supremacists, then my point stands. The NY Times should be ashamed of itself--for trying to taint Trump simply because unsavory characters happen to admire him. After all....Charles Manson admired the Beatles--that didn't make the Beatles proponents of serial murder.
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Proof??? -- I LISTENED to what he was saying!!!
Anyway, most New Yorkers already know he has a shady track record when it comes to race.
Need proof???....check this:
nytimes.com/201/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html
The NYT doesn't need to "taint Trump" -- he does that on his own everytime he insults part of the American electorate, which he has done indefatigably.
Did you somehow miss that endorsement he received from the Ku Klux Klan???...David Duke likes him, too.
Another thing.
The Beatles weren't running for President....and won.
Anyway, most New Yorkers already know he has a shady track record when it comes to race.
Need proof???....check this:
nytimes.com/201/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html
The NYT doesn't need to "taint Trump" -- he does that on his own everytime he insults part of the American electorate, which he has done indefatigably.
Did you somehow miss that endorsement he received from the Ku Klux Klan???...David Duke likes him, too.
Another thing.
The Beatles weren't running for President....and won.
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For those who believe a majority population of non-white supremacists (in other words, a multicultural and diverse people ) will regain power in the future beware.
The National Socialists won power in 1932 Germany with 37% of the vote. In a later 1932 election the Nazis gained more power despite only 33% of the vote.
How? Intimidation, violence including assassination, political deal-making, and patronizing to weasel out a stronghold in the legislature. Soon, the long slippery slope to fascism was complete.
Population numbers -- even a majority -- without political clout, without fighting the thugs, and without leadership does not guard against totalitarianism.
The National Socialists won power in 1932 Germany with 37% of the vote. In a later 1932 election the Nazis gained more power despite only 33% of the vote.
How? Intimidation, violence including assassination, political deal-making, and patronizing to weasel out a stronghold in the legislature. Soon, the long slippery slope to fascism was complete.
Population numbers -- even a majority -- without political clout, without fighting the thugs, and without leadership does not guard against totalitarianism.
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White nationalists blame their unhappiness on minorities. However, were they ever to achieve their (hypothetical) dream of an all-white society, they would continue to be unhappy. Their "enemies" would now be white neighbors, coworkers, etc. who happen to think or act or look differently than they do.
Realizing their racist "dream" would only expose that their unhappiness comes not from others but from inside themselves.
Realizing their racist "dream" would only expose that their unhappiness comes not from others but from inside themselves.
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I hope this group meets, and the Times reports on their meetings, every single Saturday for the duration.
This way I can giggle about all of your righteous indignation centered around a meeting of 100 people in the basement of a government building. I can't begin to Imagine the level of hand wringing and pearl clutching if these people really mattered.
This way I can giggle about all of your righteous indignation centered around a meeting of 100 people in the basement of a government building. I can't begin to Imagine the level of hand wringing and pearl clutching if these people really mattered.
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Anyone that identifies so much with their 'whiteness' will continue to be left behind in this country. If being 'white' is your biggest talent, then don't expect to get ahead in life. These alt-right groups play to weak people who don't want to develop themselves and want to rely on being white to get ahead. Or, maybe they are so insecure that they think this is their only "plus?" Who knows, but this is what I think caused white men to feel left behind.
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Appropriate that they're lurking about in 'the bowels of the Ronald Reagan building.'
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This newspaper is at it again. Clever. Let's give credence to a fringe lunatic group. It worked very well with Trump, didn't it? You'll give birth to a new neo-Nazi party through your publicity machine, create a vast trumped dissension in America, and truly create a national disaster this time. And in 2046, once you're back online again, you'll be writing yet another letter of apology to your readers for being instrumental in your own demise. Bunch of silly school boys and girls at this newspaper. A reflection of the new immaturity of the so-call liberal elite.
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Nope. Climate change is going to be dangerous in less than two decades. And that means a breakdown of the grid.
The 2-D universe is going to get a shock when they discover that earth's simple dynamics are more powerful than political shenanigans.
Has anyone else noticed that the big power outages are a lot longer than they used to be? This is because we are busy with cheap is dear budget cutting.
The 2-D universe is going to get a shock when they discover that earth's simple dynamics are more powerful than political shenanigans.
Has anyone else noticed that the big power outages are a lot longer than they used to be? This is because we are busy with cheap is dear budget cutting.
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You do know the difference between reporting a story, and giving credence to "a fringe lunatic group", right?
Or, do you think that by tightly shutting your eyes, and making believe they don't exist, they'll go away???
Another thing.
The NYT isn't giving birth to a new neo-Nazi party that's already been in existence for a long time -- it's just telling the world what most of us have suspected all along about Donald Trump's ties to White Nationalists.
Or, do you think that by tightly shutting your eyes, and making believe they don't exist, they'll go away???
Another thing.
The NYT isn't giving birth to a new neo-Nazi party that's already been in existence for a long time -- it's just telling the world what most of us have suspected all along about Donald Trump's ties to White Nationalists.
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Maybe if they all come out, then they can all be caught. This country is not going backwards. Maybe they can all be rooted out now.
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America has awakened a monster that the US, UK, USSR, Canada, Austrailia, France, India Empire Troops, NZ, more, fought a world war to defeat.
Stupid stupid voters.
Stupid stupid voters.
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No place and nobody's perfect. But there must be something here that for centuries to this very day makes this country, majority-minority notwithstanding, preferable for people from every continent and background.
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ALt RIght = RACIST. Let's learn from DJT to not be Politically Correct.
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The problem with saying "Alt-Right=Racist" is that is that they are also deeply sexist. Don't lose sight of that. It will be politically important because women are a numeric majority of voters. It is also important because their misogyny is as loathsome as their racism.
Making connections to today's article about targeted Facebook political ads, my guess is that white women were targeted with ads that hid the sexism of these hate groups. This does not excuse their votes for Trump, but removing the blinders from their eyes will be tactically important.
Making connections to today's article about targeted Facebook political ads, my guess is that white women were targeted with ads that hid the sexism of these hate groups. This does not excuse their votes for Trump, but removing the blinders from their eyes will be tactically important.
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Covers both racism and sexism:
Victim-blaming.
When I was growing up, I learned that "poor whites" need somebody to look down on.
Victim-blaming.
When I was growing up, I learned that "poor whites" need somebody to look down on.
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We should expect nothing short of a forceful denunciation of the alt-right and their current standard-bearer, Stephen Bannon. Republicans in Congress say they don’t know him. They know enough: they know what we all do. If Bannon himself doesn’t come forward with an unequivocal repudiation of the alt-right, he has no business being in politics, let alone the White House.
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Radical unchristian terrorists.
Real Christians follow the Jesus of the Gospels. Jesus would be appalled at racism, exclusion, worship of success as a sign of god's favor, and ordering people to vote for a violent selfish hypocrite from the pulpit.
All lives matter, not just unborn babies, by the way.
Real Christians follow the Jesus of the Gospels. Jesus would be appalled at racism, exclusion, worship of success as a sign of god's favor, and ordering people to vote for a violent selfish hypocrite from the pulpit.
All lives matter, not just unborn babies, by the way.
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Thank you DNC especially Deborah Wassermann Schultz and Donna Brazil for helping these folks get a foothold.
Hope everybody is happy with the results of the manipulating of the democratic constituency during to primaries!
I guess the coronation did not work as expected. Zig Hiel
Hope everybody is happy with the results of the manipulating of the democratic constituency during to primaries!
I guess the coronation did not work as expected. Zig Hiel
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That's right, join the blame machine and ensure that your real enemies, to whom you give a free pass, win long enough to destroy your country. Sorry I can't link to this straight because of language that won't pass the censors, but it is the simplest way I can explain to you that you made a big mistake. Unless you are a Trump troll:
http://tinyurl.com/zcnmw6a
http://tinyurl.com/zcnmw6a
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There may be pushback in the GOP on alt-right views, but the Trump election is about as good as it gets for the so-called "alt-right". It is their golden age. Trump, the non-politician, having stirred these people along with the heartland, is going to find out what politics is all about.
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And the rest of us are going to get stuck with the bill...
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These are very bad people who hate based on skin or religion. So the will have e to be sued, made bankrupt and put into jail. Whether the government does it it does not matter. There is no "white" in the constitution and only religious freedom. The white haters from the working class can blame anyone they want for their job situations but its likely their jobs were outsources by "white CEOS" on behalf or their shareholders, not the democrats and they need to retrain themselves rather than hating people if they want to make progress
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How many people were there?
Who organized and sponsored the event? Just a freestyling bunch of white guys? Does the event have a name? How did these guys know how to show up to it?
Was there an agenda? What was on it?
Oh wait, I'm getting those contextual details halfway through the article. The details that help me make sense of this event and how much attention it merits.
NYT, we need you to bring your A game now. Please address the 5Ws and 1H thoroughly and clearly. Your credibility -- and in turn, our collective credibility -- depends on getting the facts straight and easy to find.
Who organized and sponsored the event? Just a freestyling bunch of white guys? Does the event have a name? How did these guys know how to show up to it?
Was there an agenda? What was on it?
Oh wait, I'm getting those contextual details halfway through the article. The details that help me make sense of this event and how much attention it merits.
NYT, we need you to bring your A game now. Please address the 5Ws and 1H thoroughly and clearly. Your credibility -- and in turn, our collective credibility -- depends on getting the facts straight and easy to find.
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Right on!!!!! Good one
Oh, please, let's take a thoughtful, reflective breath at the NYT. There are no "dark corners" of the web, just some places visited more often than others. As to "screeds", besides this hack piece being per se, just read the back-copies of any of the NYT columnists since Trump announced his candidacy--screeds collectivists united behind the Criminal Queen.
Let's be fair: Multicultural Marxists, with the daily support of a cohort of New York City media outlets, have been at the helm for the last eight years and the NYT couldn't have been more sanguine until the night of the election vote, which became the next morning a "surprising election victory" for Trump on the front page of the NYT.
It was hardly a "surprise" to anyone who lived out in rural America. The real problem: Along with the DNC Politburo, Obama backed the wrong horse, an overdosed one, it seemed at times, that didn't make it to the winner's circle. No roses for the Queen of the DNC prom.
Think positive--the NYT "reporters" and "columnists" have hundreds of "screeds" to write for at least four more years, maybe eight, hopefully.
If Trump builds out what he has proposed and brings back jobs worth having, it's fait accompli for the NYT "screed" writers and journalists now employed in legions by the Sovietized press of New York City--even Broadway, too, it seems.
Let's be fair: Multicultural Marxists, with the daily support of a cohort of New York City media outlets, have been at the helm for the last eight years and the NYT couldn't have been more sanguine until the night of the election vote, which became the next morning a "surprising election victory" for Trump on the front page of the NYT.
It was hardly a "surprise" to anyone who lived out in rural America. The real problem: Along with the DNC Politburo, Obama backed the wrong horse, an overdosed one, it seemed at times, that didn't make it to the winner's circle. No roses for the Queen of the DNC prom.
Think positive--the NYT "reporters" and "columnists" have hundreds of "screeds" to write for at least four more years, maybe eight, hopefully.
If Trump builds out what he has proposed and brings back jobs worth having, it's fait accompli for the NYT "screed" writers and journalists now employed in legions by the Sovietized press of New York City--even Broadway, too, it seems.
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THere ARE dark corners. Go to townhall.com and read the comments. This site calls themselves "conservative," but these comments are some of the nastiest I've seen. In fact, they are thrilled trump is president so now they can stop restraining themselves.
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Like President Obama before him, every agenda item will be a fight including the courts. Making matters more fraught Trump has a bunch of House budget Hawks to face. Then there is the matter of Trump's bottom of barrel appointees and his attempt to bring his family into policy making circles. I don't wish Trump well, but he has now to live with his own incivility and crudeness that he has introduced us all to.
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The KKK is one of the oldest terrorist organizations in the world, who have murdered between 3000 and 5000 people without facing any retribution.
They have been anti-American while claiming to be "patriots" their entire existence but were formed by rebels who committed the worst treason in our history.
Understanding them is one thing--attempting a dialogue and compromise is another thing entirely, and, IMHO, impossible.
They have been anti-American while claiming to be "patriots" their entire existence but were formed by rebels who committed the worst treason in our history.
Understanding them is one thing--attempting a dialogue and compromise is another thing entirely, and, IMHO, impossible.
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This group of people represent the worst in our society - the most intolerant, the most bigoted, the most anti-everything that is good and decent about mankind. I will NOT use any term to describe them other than what they are: fascists, racists, bigots, Nazi-wannabes, arsonists, fearmongers, hatemongers, and for some of them, lynchers and murderers. They will never be legitimate and papers like The New York Times and the media need to STOP legitimizing them. I do think we need to know who they are and what they are up to, but to give them a seat at the center of our political process is an affront to American patriotism and human decency.
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Trump true legacy will be the empowerment of all right winged extremists, from white supremacists to the religious right and the likes.
And If history has thought us anything the end result will be a vigorous response from the rest of America.
Hopefully democrats in congress will stop Trump right winged agenda and next mid term election democrats and independents will retake congress away from the GOP.
Stand strong for your rights and for democracy do not be afraid and fight for America and liberty.
And If history has thought us anything the end result will be a vigorous response from the rest of America.
Hopefully democrats in congress will stop Trump right winged agenda and next mid term election democrats and independents will retake congress away from the GOP.
Stand strong for your rights and for democracy do not be afraid and fight for America and liberty.
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So its what, 1930, 1931 Germany?
Let's not blow it this time.
Let's not blow it this time.
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Der Heetler did not seize power until 1933.
Why does the NYT refer to them as "Nationalists" and gives them a credibility they are not due ?
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The Republicans cannot pretend that they had nothing to do with these people. They enabled the resurrection of White Nationalism by refusing to accept the legitimacy of Obama's Presidency and then refusing to cooperate with the Obama Administration. No one in the party condemned the Birther Movement. How could they, when forty percent of the Republican rank and file refused to believe that Obama was born in the United States? earthjustice.blogspot.ca
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Did anyone ever expect to listen to an Irish Senator rise to demand that his Government recognize that America has elected a fascist?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-is-a-fascist-and-i-m-embar...
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-is-a-fascist-and-i-m-embar...
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Thank you so much for the link.All of my great grandparents, came to Boston during the famine.So brave of this Irish Senator to speak out.
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My neighbor recently displayed a Confederate flag in front of his house.
I came to the realization that the conservatives are still fighting the civil war to continue to enslave us socially, economically and politically while the progressives are operating on the premise that things have changed and the war ended 150 years ago.
I’ve decided that it’s time for me as an American to take a stand to preserve the Union and finally bring that war to an end.
I ordered an American flag with 33 stars (The American flag just prior to the Confederates firing on Fort Sumner) from eBay to replace my current American flag for starters and if anyone ask me about it, I will tell them I’m fighting for America in order to form a more perfect union.
Join me.
I came to the realization that the conservatives are still fighting the civil war to continue to enslave us socially, economically and politically while the progressives are operating on the premise that things have changed and the war ended 150 years ago.
I’ve decided that it’s time for me as an American to take a stand to preserve the Union and finally bring that war to an end.
I ordered an American flag with 33 stars (The American flag just prior to the Confederates firing on Fort Sumner) from eBay to replace my current American flag for starters and if anyone ask me about it, I will tell them I’m fighting for America in order to form a more perfect union.
Join me.
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Your heart is in the right place, but I wonder who your flag is leaving out. Hawaiians? Alaskans? (I'm not American, but I know enough about your country to ask the question 'who does that leave out?'
PS Canada is quite happy to be left out. We are not you
PS Canada is quite happy to be left out. We are not you
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John,
The 33 star flag is symbolic of where we were as a nation before the Civil war started. We have been fighting this war ever since.
The 33 star flag is symbolic of where we were as a nation before the Civil war started. We have been fighting this war ever since.
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Trump got accepted, so will they if there is even the slightest chance of some privatization you haven't even thought of yet.
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NPR interviewed several women with differing political views; some Trump supporters- some Clinton supporters. One Trump supporter tried to explain away Jeff Session's racists comments by asserting he isn't a racist *because* he isn't a member of the KKK. This reminds me of the difficulty of declaring one a racist when making racists comments about African Americans: Racists comments against/about African Americans are- without fail, labeled "insensitive remarks" or "racially insensitive". Racist comments about Jews however- are always defined as antisemitic. Why the disconnect in labeling a racist a racist rather than our euphemistic nuances shielding the ugly truth?
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Racists who never join organizations have been called "lone wolf".
I think that gives them too much glamour, and insults wolves.
I call them "free range".
It calls up an image of a chicken (a coward, a war-mongering draft-dodging bone-spur never-served in the military sort).
That about covers Jeff Sessions.
It has nothing to do with my supper.
I think that gives them too much glamour, and insults wolves.
I call them "free range".
It calls up an image of a chicken (a coward, a war-mongering draft-dodging bone-spur never-served in the military sort).
That about covers Jeff Sessions.
It has nothing to do with my supper.
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As a 60 year old, NYCnative, life-long reader of the NYT, I find articles like this tone deaf. Get out of your bubble and see that white-folks from Georgia or western NY or PA, WI or Michigan need to be proud, too.
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Here's yet another fashionable attempt at rebranding where a term obscures and connotes what is odious. Please, could you guys please dispense with the "alt-right" terminology, except perhaps as a way of explaining what how it is used by its adherents. Note "alt" used to carry with it a sense of coolness and experimentation, such as alt-country, even alt-bluegrass, etc. Not here, except to the extent that the new branding attempts to revive and invigorate this repellent way of thinking. The right has been doing this stuff for decades, trying to sell us their ideas on everything from war to domestic policy to the adjective "democrat" instead of "democratic". Any you guys at NYT have consistently helped them spread their quite intentional framing of the world under our noses. Please stop it!!
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How ironic that throughout the campaign, trump and his supporters bragged about how they refused to be "politically correct" all the while spewing hate speech and racist, sexist homophobic lies and slurs.
But these people--trump supporters, all--use the term "alt-right" to hide what and who they really are. Drop the political correctness NYT--call them what they are: racist white supremacists. Their goal is to return the U.S. to the days where all minorities and women knew their place--subservient to ALL white men--and stayed in that place.
Expose them for who they really are, NYT. Live up to the purpose the Founding Fathers envisioned for you when they placed "freedom of the press" in the very first amendment.
But these people--trump supporters, all--use the term "alt-right" to hide what and who they really are. Drop the political correctness NYT--call them what they are: racist white supremacists. Their goal is to return the U.S. to the days where all minorities and women knew their place--subservient to ALL white men--and stayed in that place.
Expose them for who they really are, NYT. Live up to the purpose the Founding Fathers envisioned for you when they placed "freedom of the press" in the very first amendment.
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Why is the American Jewish community not vociferously denouncing Netanyahu's buddying up with Trump and his posse of racists?? These people believe in Zionist conspiracies and are openly anti-semitic! This is not OK and needs to be aired loudly and proudly that we do NOT stand with Netanyahu if he wants to strike a deal with the devil!
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White nationalism is based on stupidity, fear and hate. Donald Trump's presidential rallies, and even his performance in the Presidential Debates were permeated with white nationalist/racist political dog whistles.
If it acts like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
One who acts like a white nationalist and talks like a white nationalist is a white nationalist, even if he becomes President of the United States.
We should resist those who attempt to tell us that Donald Trump is not what he has already proved himself to be.
If it acts like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
One who acts like a white nationalist and talks like a white nationalist is a white nationalist, even if he becomes President of the United States.
We should resist those who attempt to tell us that Donald Trump is not what he has already proved himself to be.
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End affirmative action? Really? Does that include the affirmative action that took place for the first couple of centuries in this country--the kind that reserved colleges and country clubs for white men? You are white and male and therefore get preference? Huh, isn't it funny? They liked that kind of affirmative action for a very long time. Just fancy.
How about the affirmative action that is currently the only reason large numbers of men are getting in to college (with much lower scores than women, simply to keep the male/female close to 50/50)? Can we end that affirmative action, too?
How about the affirmative action that is currently the only reason large numbers of men are getting in to college (with much lower scores than women, simply to keep the male/female close to 50/50)? Can we end that affirmative action, too?
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"Not everyone...is in this camp." But for everyone who did vote for Donny, this association wasn't a deal breaker.
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Thank you Trump. These people use to hide in the shadows. Now they are will be welcomed at the White House
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Why White Nationalists? Why sanitize this?
These people are White Supremacists and that should be your headline.
The New York Times needs to work harder at reporting the facts in specific language that people understand. White Supremacists communicates more clearly what they believe and is part of the vernacular. Nationalists abstracts the vile truth of their beliefs.
These people are White Supremacists and that should be your headline.
The New York Times needs to work harder at reporting the facts in specific language that people understand. White Supremacists communicates more clearly what they believe and is part of the vernacular. Nationalists abstracts the vile truth of their beliefs.
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I am so sad for our country.Just want to let the world know,these latest developments in our country, are making so many of us sick, literally.But there are so many ethical, good people in our country. We will fight this sickening wave of bigots.
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Covering these people is not legitimizing them, it's waking the rest of us up to see a current that's been bubbling under the surface and is stronger than any of us knew. Yes, it's ugly that white nationalism is out there, but we need to know about it to fight it.
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Hearsay story. A friend of mine told me that he was eating at restaurant in a mostly black part of D.C. The owner is Hispanic. He complained to my friend that he was being harassed by white males as a result of his "race." In once case after serving a group of white males dinner, they claimed they were "with Trump" and that their meal should be on the house. I don't know how the story ended, but I would guess they paid before the police were called.
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The problem with this country is hearsay stories like this one, are all too often being trolled as the truth.
I would suggest you first check your sources before reporting it -- there's too much confusion on the stage already
I would suggest you first check your sources before reporting it -- there's too much confusion on the stage already
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It sounds like these people simply want to be left alone and not have someone else's agenda forced upon them. One of our most basic and vital rights is freedom of association.
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I don't think Trump is alt-right or ultra-conservative. He isn't a Republican and he surely is not a Democrat. Trump lacks a political ideology and his ideas come one by one. The essential truth is that, after months long of campaigning and his early appointments, all we know is what he has said, and there's a boatload of uncertainty about what he'll do. That's reflected in the fact that he fires people he just appointed, he changes his mind on the basics, and he lies a lot. Trump will govern a la carte. And the menu will change often. Those who attach a political label to him are wrong. Trump is not a thinker. He makes it up as he goes along. The alt-right crowd has a hateful philosophy. Trump has no philosophy at all.
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But Bannon, the self-described "king-maker" and who is trump's chief strategist, certainly has a philosophy, an ideology and a plan.
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We do not realize that we are badly isolated from the rest of the world. Extreme right in politics also exist in Japan and in most European countries. But these are marginal groups consisting mostly misinformed young people, except perhaps in France. In our case, in USA, the last election showed that we have a large number of people who still believe in illusions of being a Great country with all our problems of education, income inequality, drugs, violent crime, lack of universal healthcare, and a deplorable infra structure. Perhaps petty foreign wars against windmills makes us forget these and gives us the false impression everything is OK.
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What's wrong with white nationalists voting their conscience? Isn't that what Black Nationalists do, and many other groups? Perhaps their awakening is the realization that they have nothing to be guilty about. After all, history shows that no group has a monopoly on evil deeds. The Left wants diversity, the Left will have to tolerate white nationalists. Unless of course the Left really does not want diversity.
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The problem isn't with White Nationalists "voting their conscience".
It's everything else they do that foments racial bigotry and hatred -- And now they're practically doing it with the president-elect's blessing (they voted for him, remember???)
History may show no group has a monoploy on evil deeds, but that doesn't make the evil they do any less.
It's everything else they do that foments racial bigotry and hatred -- And now they're practically doing it with the president-elect's blessing (they voted for him, remember???)
History may show no group has a monoploy on evil deeds, but that doesn't make the evil they do any less.
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95% of conservatives and Trump supporters never hear of the "alt-right" movement or Richard B. Spencer 3 months ago. The influence of these people is a fabrication of dying media desperate to remain legitimate. Only splendid dupes will fall for this Frankfurt School neo Marxist charade.
“Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin.”
― G.K. Chesterton, Eugenics and Other Evils: An Argument Against the Scientifically Organized State
“Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin.”
― G.K. Chesterton, Eugenics and Other Evils: An Argument Against the Scientifically Organized State
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Never ceases to amaze me how the NYT (and other media) cannot stop trying to associate Trump with white supremacy groups. When the New Black Panther party endorsed Obama, and Obama won, did the NYT print an article about the awakened Black Panther Party and the dangerous of fascism?
Seriously, the editors at this paper need to get a grip.
Seriously, the editors at this paper need to get a grip.
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Just for the record. President Obama quickly removed the endorsement of the New Black Panther Party...but I guess you missed that part.
In any case, they don't have a record nearly as long, and as vile as the Ku Klux Klan, which is ideologically not dissimilar to the White Nationalist/alt-right movements.
You might want to report the entire story, before casting stones at the NYT.
In any case, they don't have a record nearly as long, and as vile as the Ku Klux Klan, which is ideologically not dissimilar to the White Nationalist/alt-right movements.
You might want to report the entire story, before casting stones at the NYT.
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White Jews are thrown in with the rest of the "undesirables," as defined by these hateful alt-right extremists, and that includes Jared Kushner.
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I had my DNA tested years ago to trace my ancestors origin.
With all the talk recently about the return of the white American to a place of prominence, of whom you can see I am (blonde/blue eyes), these DNA results speak of my heritage, which is Italian, Greek and Pakistani. Oh, and there's the Ukraine Ashkenazi Jews and Austria/Hungary Ashkenazi Jews.
Not what I expected. My point is that we are a diverse nation of a diverse people whose backgrounds span the globe. Sure, immigrants should follow the rules for entering our country, just as we must follow theirs. But to demonize any culture based on fear is just wrong.
My Pakistani ancestors may be barred from entering this country simply because of their country of origin or religion (Muslim.) Some of my ancestors went to Hitler's gas chambers; other ancestors were oppressed by Mussolini's dictatorship during WW2. At the same time my grandfather was storming the beach at Normandy.
Name Tested Ancestral Origins
Terry Neal
Y-DNA STR Markers
44 markers tested
Ancestral Origins (closest matches)
A: Cavaglia, Italy
B: Epirus, Greece
C: Brescia, Northern Italy
Terry Neal
mtDNA
HVR-1 region tested
Ancestral Origins (closest matches)
A: Kalash in North West Fr
With all the talk recently about the return of the white American to a place of prominence, of whom you can see I am (blonde/blue eyes), these DNA results speak of my heritage, which is Italian, Greek and Pakistani. Oh, and there's the Ukraine Ashkenazi Jews and Austria/Hungary Ashkenazi Jews.
Not what I expected. My point is that we are a diverse nation of a diverse people whose backgrounds span the globe. Sure, immigrants should follow the rules for entering our country, just as we must follow theirs. But to demonize any culture based on fear is just wrong.
My Pakistani ancestors may be barred from entering this country simply because of their country of origin or religion (Muslim.) Some of my ancestors went to Hitler's gas chambers; other ancestors were oppressed by Mussolini's dictatorship during WW2. At the same time my grandfather was storming the beach at Normandy.
Name Tested Ancestral Origins
Terry Neal
Y-DNA STR Markers
44 markers tested
Ancestral Origins (closest matches)
A: Cavaglia, Italy
B: Epirus, Greece
C: Brescia, Northern Italy
Terry Neal
mtDNA
HVR-1 region tested
Ancestral Origins (closest matches)
A: Kalash in North West Fr
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As anthropologists have said, we all came from Africa at the dawn of time. I'd love to know what strains of "human" I come from. (Can't quite bring myself to sign on for those pricey DNA tests.)
I would be neither surprised nor nonplussed to learn my so-called Irish/Polish heritage really started further south and beyond the Mediterranean. I'd welcome it.
I would be neither surprised nor nonplussed to learn my so-called Irish/Polish heritage really started further south and beyond the Mediterranean. I'd welcome it.
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White culture is not the right culture, our society needs a tabula rasa in order to move towards a brighter, progressive, inclusive future. As seen here, this election has been a setback but in meantime we can work to purge the ignored guilt whites collectively own and only a few feel. Once white culture has been effectively neutralized, then can we move towards the political and linguistic reforms of our new open society.
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For all those who are criticizing this group, I’d like to know what they find so “racist” about enacting immigration policies that seek to keep whites the majority population.
Those same immigration policies have been used in the last 50 years to make whites a minority in America. Why is it "racist" to do the same thing in the other direction?
To me, all this criticism is really just psychological projection, with a heavy dose of white self-loathing .
Do the progressives screaming about this not realize the irony of their condemning this group's viewpoint?
After all, if it’s racist to want Whites to be the majority population, it stands to reason that it’s similarly racist to want non-Whites to be the majority.
Those same immigration policies have been used in the last 50 years to make whites a minority in America. Why is it "racist" to do the same thing in the other direction?
To me, all this criticism is really just psychological projection, with a heavy dose of white self-loathing .
Do the progressives screaming about this not realize the irony of their condemning this group's viewpoint?
After all, if it’s racist to want Whites to be the majority population, it stands to reason that it’s similarly racist to want non-Whites to be the majority.
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The question is why do they want to be the majority? These are people who don't wish to coexist with anyone who does not look like them. So funny since some of their ancestors brought blacks over by force and now they don't want to live with the consequences.
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If you're using skin color as your basis for allowing someone to immigrate, yes, that's racist. Where you go wrong is in assuming that skin color was the basis for immigration policy over the last 50 years.
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I think it's important to remember amid the gloom and justifiable despair accompanying the rise of Trump and his whites-only buddies, that Hillary Clinton DID win the election and by a substantial margin, a margin that keeps on growing.
The Orange Man does NOT have a mandate, what he has is a fake suntan and synthetic hair.
The Orange Man does NOT have a mandate, what he has is a fake suntan and synthetic hair.
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Wait, I am confused: Who is going to be inaugurated in January? The guy with the fake suntan, synthetic hair, and no mandate, or Hillary?
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The guy with the fake suntan and NO MANDATE!
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Prediction: Trump will not serve a full four years.
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American Nazis know what other Trump voters chose to ignore.
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Why white nationalists instead of white supremests? This is a serious question for the authors. A few comments suggested it was an attempt to normalize the movement, but before I ascribe that motive to the authors, I'd love to hear their thinking.
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There are a number of commenters here who are asking what's the problem with whites celebrating their heritage. OK, I'll give it a go. These alt righters have been thinking up on how to "celebrate" and if you read any of their literature, celebration number one is to roll back women's rights, specifically voting rights and reproductive rights. They believe that women voted for immigration, so that has to be stopped.
Next, they believe that contraception has brought about a plunge in the white birth rate, so it has to go. After that, higher education, because they believe white women are wasting their best baby making years by sitting in the class room.
In their world view, women are baby making machines who need to get back into production, pronto. Their agent provocateur, Milo Yiannopoulos, has *literally* said as much on Breitbart. Look up his article on how birth control makes women crazy, because he lays out the womb-filling argument in detail. He presents it as a joke, but given that it echoes every other talking point of the alt right, you can take it that he's actually deadly serious.
That's the "celebration" in store for white women. The "celebrations" planned for the people of other races are much worse.
Next, they believe that contraception has brought about a plunge in the white birth rate, so it has to go. After that, higher education, because they believe white women are wasting their best baby making years by sitting in the class room.
In their world view, women are baby making machines who need to get back into production, pronto. Their agent provocateur, Milo Yiannopoulos, has *literally* said as much on Breitbart. Look up his article on how birth control makes women crazy, because he lays out the womb-filling argument in detail. He presents it as a joke, but given that it echoes every other talking point of the alt right, you can take it that he's actually deadly serious.
That's the "celebration" in store for white women. The "celebrations" planned for the people of other races are much worse.
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It's good that they came out from their rat holes. Keep you friends close and your enemies closer. Or at least insight. Unless they came out in the light, they were hard to identify and fight. Neo nazis exist, in America too - in America most of all perhaps, with its arms glorification, KKK, etc.
Good; now they can be kept in check and resistance can seriously begin.
Good; now they can be kept in check and resistance can seriously begin.
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As a black person and Trump voter, I am exhausted by the ultra left beating this dead horse to further their own ends. What are there like a couple hundred true white nationalists? This whole approach is so disingenuous when you have people like Rahm Emanuel hand wringing over protecting illegal immigrants while black Americans are routinely shot in Chicago. I find the economic impacts of illegal immigration on unemployment and wage suppression in the black community and the competition for social services associated with bringing millions of poor illegals into the country much scarier than white nationalists.
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Girl, bye!
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You are in for a very rude awakening. But you can at least be happy that it was by your own choice.
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Good luck I hope Trump fulfill your dreams.
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Six or seven years ago, shining the light of publicity on white power fringe groups like this might have driven them away. But here we are in November of 2016 and shining the light of publicity on this group no doubt has Trump supporters nationwide Googling for information on how to join up.
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Very unfair and flippant.
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Gee.... so now they are nicely referred to as "White nationalists" instead of "white supremacists". Sickening.
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Please, do not keep using "alt-right". The term normalizes white nationalist racism and works to move them from the margins even more.
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For a while, the Left was calling everyone outside of their echo chamber "Fascists", but that got tired and old, so they moved on to "White Supremacists" and "Alt-Right".
Labeling all people who support Trump as uneducated, racist, Nazi, sexist, White Supremacist xenophobes (did I forget a slur?) effectively shuts down the kind of civilized conversations we must have to deal with complex issues.
There's a simple principle at play here - either it's wrong to make sweeping generalizations about entire categories of people or it's not. So if you argue that all white males are "bigoted misogynistic rapists", then you have automatically become intellectual allies with those who say African-Americans are "stupid and lazy," women are "hysterical and irrational", and Jews are "shifty and greedy."
Ironically, people on the Left have much more in common with their own stereotypes of Trump supporters than they realize.
Labeling all people who support Trump as uneducated, racist, Nazi, sexist, White Supremacist xenophobes (did I forget a slur?) effectively shuts down the kind of civilized conversations we must have to deal with complex issues.
There's a simple principle at play here - either it's wrong to make sweeping generalizations about entire categories of people or it's not. So if you argue that all white males are "bigoted misogynistic rapists", then you have automatically become intellectual allies with those who say African-Americans are "stupid and lazy," women are "hysterical and irrational", and Jews are "shifty and greedy."
Ironically, people on the Left have much more in common with their own stereotypes of Trump supporters than they realize.
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Look. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck ....You get the drift.
But what you don't seem to get is the fact that many people who supported Trump, also supported the vile race-baiting jargon coming out of his mouth.
He didn't get that KKK endorsement by preaching 'Kumbaya", you know.
And ever wonder why he didn't get the Black (& Latino) vote?
This isn't rocket science --- but it's quite a stretch to say that people on the Left have more in common with ANY "stereotype" of Trump supporters.
No offense -- that may be something only you realize.
But what you don't seem to get is the fact that many people who supported Trump, also supported the vile race-baiting jargon coming out of his mouth.
He didn't get that KKK endorsement by preaching 'Kumbaya", you know.
And ever wonder why he didn't get the Black (& Latino) vote?
This isn't rocket science --- but it's quite a stretch to say that people on the Left have more in common with ANY "stereotype" of Trump supporters.
No offense -- that may be something only you realize.
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The Alt right is the name they gave themselves and refers to all of the like minded white supremacist groups and these known hate groups support trump.
No one's creating anything or making anything up. Dave Duke loves trump.
They are recognizing their own duck.
That's enough for me.
No one's creating anything or making anything up. Dave Duke loves trump.
They are recognizing their own duck.
That's enough for me.
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Hundreds of them gathered .Big deal New York Times. Does your bias have no boundaries ? There numbers pale in comparison to anti semitic anti western Islamic extremists bolstered by the last eight years of Obama. Of course this has never been reported and never will
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Trump supporters just handed Islamic terrorists the keys to the kingdom: this showdown is what ISIS wanted all along.
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"Intellectual leaders" of the alt-right?
There is absolutely nothing intellectual about these low-minded people. An intellectual is "a person possessing a highly developed intellect." It's not "a person who thinks someone with a different pigmentation to their skin is somehow a lesser person."
So go ahead and call it "alt-right"--a totally white-washed term straight out of the miserable republican playbook. Doesn't matter that they fake a name that sounds legit when literally everyone but the dimmest of the dim knows exactly what it means. Racist. Fascist. Neo-nazi. KKK. White power. And, as it happens, a lot of these people are hypocritical "christians." They're hateful. Violent. Extremists. They're spokesman, Stephen Bannon, conjures dark power and satan like they're good things. How lost can those hypocritical people be?
Their counterparts in the world today? The closest thing to these people? You guessed it: the Islamic State. Very similar. Different color skin. Totally and completely no understanding of the religion that is supposedly the cornerstone of their lives. Both believe in a "faith-based" science. Both are completely lost. They're violent, dangerous segments of society.
This is a most dangerous time in America--when people of this lowest character are set to occupy the highest office. And the Electoral College has almost no other choice than to act--because it is now in their hands.
There is absolutely nothing intellectual about these low-minded people. An intellectual is "a person possessing a highly developed intellect." It's not "a person who thinks someone with a different pigmentation to their skin is somehow a lesser person."
So go ahead and call it "alt-right"--a totally white-washed term straight out of the miserable republican playbook. Doesn't matter that they fake a name that sounds legit when literally everyone but the dimmest of the dim knows exactly what it means. Racist. Fascist. Neo-nazi. KKK. White power. And, as it happens, a lot of these people are hypocritical "christians." They're hateful. Violent. Extremists. They're spokesman, Stephen Bannon, conjures dark power and satan like they're good things. How lost can those hypocritical people be?
Their counterparts in the world today? The closest thing to these people? You guessed it: the Islamic State. Very similar. Different color skin. Totally and completely no understanding of the religion that is supposedly the cornerstone of their lives. Both believe in a "faith-based" science. Both are completely lost. They're violent, dangerous segments of society.
This is a most dangerous time in America--when people of this lowest character are set to occupy the highest office. And the Electoral College has almost no other choice than to act--because it is now in their hands.
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I have been mourning the end of President Obama's term in office for quite some time. I looked forward to a continuation of his tirelessly good work with Hillary at the helm, and another historic step forward in a positive direction. Now there is no joy in Mudville. We are about to enter a regressive period of gloom and doom, fear and loathing in politics, with its figurehead an orange-faced engineering coiffed marvel steering US off course.
I miss you already, Hillary. Please God, help US.
DD
Manhattan
I miss you already, Hillary. Please God, help US.
DD
Manhattan
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It seems that some commenters don't understand that this is much worse than exposing the racist, anti-semitic, xenophobic white nationalists that were always there.
The future leader of our country has provided an example to young and old that his way of thinking is not only legitimate and moral, but the right way to think.
Consider, do you think that so many Germans after WWI hated the Jews and would treat their fellow humans as if they were vermin?
Do you think that so many Chinese wanted to kill, jail, and torture "intellectuals" such as teachers before the Cultural Revolution started by Mao?
Do you think that so many Hutus wanted to kill their Tutsi neighbors before the Belgians ruled and a few Hutus legitimized the hatred and genocide?
Of course not! This is a real problem and good Americans must speak out against discrimination because of race, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, and religion. If we don't then we don't deserve to be world leaders, period.
The future leader of our country has provided an example to young and old that his way of thinking is not only legitimate and moral, but the right way to think.
Consider, do you think that so many Germans after WWI hated the Jews and would treat their fellow humans as if they were vermin?
Do you think that so many Chinese wanted to kill, jail, and torture "intellectuals" such as teachers before the Cultural Revolution started by Mao?
Do you think that so many Hutus wanted to kill their Tutsi neighbors before the Belgians ruled and a few Hutus legitimized the hatred and genocide?
Of course not! This is a real problem and good Americans must speak out against discrimination because of race, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, and religion. If we don't then we don't deserve to be world leaders, period.
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...they are merely trying to realize their desire for a white “ethno-state” where they can be left alone.
I would like them to gather in a place far, far away from here, never to return and I don't think many people would disagree with that. They are not due for any mainstream acceptance or political influence- America was built on non-white indigenous people's land by the backs of non-white people. Further, while these men think they are in an awakening they certainly are gaining more false hope for their dream with airtime on NPR and print in NYT.
I would like them to gather in a place far, far away from here, never to return and I don't think many people would disagree with that. They are not due for any mainstream acceptance or political influence- America was built on non-white indigenous people's land by the backs of non-white people. Further, while these men think they are in an awakening they certainly are gaining more false hope for their dream with airtime on NPR and print in NYT.
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I wonder how much of the growth of white nationalism derives from the expansion of what we think of as "white?" When I was a kid in the east coast of the 70's, diversity celebration included "Polish," "Italian," "Irish," and so on, right along with black, Jewish, Asian, etc. Back then, early 20th century immigrants from those populations were still around, and major cities had highly visible clusters of each group and their families in various "ethnic" neighborhoods. Looked at another way, these white subgroups weren't far from the days when they themselves had been persecuted immigrants, and open bigotry toward them still needed to be actively combatted. (Think Archie Bunker and his endless ethnic slurs toward his Polish-American son-in-law.) So "Polish-American" celebrations and the like were a big deal.
Nowadays, all white people not of Jewish ancestry seem to be lumped into a big, bland, homogenous, category called "white," stripped of any other identity. Those of us outside of the "white male" box know the frustration when people try to deny or erase our often-intersectional experiences, yet there's no mechanism for whites to discuss their identities that wouldn't be perceived as - or hasn't already become - racist. (White Pride Parade, anyone?) Focusing solely on "white" racial identity is dishonest to whites and non-whites alike. Perhaps more attention needs to be paid to acknowledging and celebrating the diversity *within* the mythical "white America?"
Nowadays, all white people not of Jewish ancestry seem to be lumped into a big, bland, homogenous, category called "white," stripped of any other identity. Those of us outside of the "white male" box know the frustration when people try to deny or erase our often-intersectional experiences, yet there's no mechanism for whites to discuss their identities that wouldn't be perceived as - or hasn't already become - racist. (White Pride Parade, anyone?) Focusing solely on "white" racial identity is dishonest to whites and non-whites alike. Perhaps more attention needs to be paid to acknowledging and celebrating the diversity *within* the mythical "white America?"
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These alt right types need to make it very clear to the the public; which foundation they are trying to mimic. There are hundreds of black groups that are funded with federally recognized charities. State one; that you are now going to mirror such; and then carry on. Educate to remove all language that is racist... so the reporters can't twist the story in ways you can't defend against. There is only one chance to get this right. Better be very smart about how they go about this stuff. Lobby for funding... and submit laws such as anti discrimination; such as the blacks have used. Argue population data in the upcoming years. Could write a book on actual white discrimination... from jobs to loans to hospital treatment. It has become a real problem. It was worst shortly after Clinton was elected president.... and the grind has continued since.
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"Hundreds" of KKK cannot and will not outnumber whites of good will and conscience in this country. Their numbers are diminishing, contrary to what I am sure they would like to be the case. They are a vile, hateful and destructively desperate bunch, but they will not prevail in this country. And black people should start armed protection of their communities and churches, where the KKK likes to fire bomb and kill innocent people and children. They are a dying breed of monstrous thugs who will not see the return or slavery, no matter how much they wish for it, or fly their vile Confederate flags. A lot of damage and worse destruction can be done in four years time, and the inverse is also true, however four years is four years. The majority or electoral system that put Mr. Trump into office may provide the victory, and we can be sure they will get what they want. Like it now or not, the old order of slavery and racism may rear it's ugly head in glee, but we as a country will not be going backwards the way they are dreaming of. It will not happen again, never again.
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I hope you're right. But in this season of many surprises, we've learned that many of them are not good.
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Those who consider the trash dangerous, and they can be, should protect themselves and protect all the 'others' Trump rants about. At colleges, go everywhere in mixed groups. Make sure no woman walks alone even at noon. A big group of women together is fine, if they have the courage, training, and will to take the bigots who try something down. While some fight, some use you cell phones to video and photograph what happens. Do the same thing in any group. Why have I been thinking of this? Im 65, disabled, and won't be going to college. But, I did in 69 and 70. 2 year course in computers. The young men who went to that school decided their were too many (their term) 'mouth breathers' in the area. I went to the Charlestown Military YMCA, we held dances, BBQ's & beach parties (in summer). Any enlisted could come, most under 21, cause if you were over you could go to the USO who had 'more adult' events. I mean any enlisted. That included 'others'. I met my husband there. I had fun, dancing, cooking (dangerous that was, as I didn't know how), but, I never killed anyone. They guys knew how we were all getting home, all of us had escorts to the subway stop where our cars were. Not one of us went alone. Was usually after 10. It broke the rules, but, the adults who ran this program thought it was much safer. No matter what color the sailors (a few marines, this was Boston), were, they were their for protection. We, from the suburbs mostly, were all white.
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A lot of the disaffected people who voted for Trump supported Bernie. Bernie, a Jewish man, would have beat Trump. He's Jewish, but he's also a white man - who was genuinely and deeply sympathetic to the plight of the poor and working class person. This was never about Hillary being a woman. It was about Hillary being an out of touch, multi-millionaire with blind loyalty, to Bill, to Huma, to Wall Street. I supported her after Bernie lost the primary. And I think she would have made a great president. Yet still. I get it.
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Sorry. But Saint Bernie didn't get the Black & Latino vote, which is saying something -- And if he couldn't get the popular vote running as a faux-Demorat, there's no way he would've beaten Trump.
But please, dream on if you like.
Hopefully he'll be able to hold down the fort in the Senate, it's going to be a bumpy ride....
But please, dream on if you like.
Hopefully he'll be able to hold down the fort in the Senate, it's going to be a bumpy ride....
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The entire world will be watching this group like a hawk.
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"Many of the attendees, who were mostly white men..."
Mostly? You're saying there were attendees who were NOT white men? As in, what, black people? Or Latinos? Who else can possibly be a member of a white supremacy group?
If there are non-white men present, can you try and reach out to them to find out what can possibly attract them to that ideology? Maybe that's one out of many mistakes made by democrats, thinking in terms like "mostly" and not going deeper.
Mostly? You're saying there were attendees who were NOT white men? As in, what, black people? Or Latinos? Who else can possibly be a member of a white supremacy group?
If there are non-white men present, can you try and reach out to them to find out what can possibly attract them to that ideology? Maybe that's one out of many mistakes made by democrats, thinking in terms like "mostly" and not going deeper.
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Dear Catalin Sandu,
I'm assuming they meant, of the entirely white gathering, there were mostly men and not as many women present, unsurprisingly. Also there may have been a few orange people, like Trump himself.
I'm assuming they meant, of the entirely white gathering, there were mostly men and not as many women present, unsurprisingly. Also there may have been a few orange people, like Trump himself.
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While I would like to think that the majority of the Republican base is not of the robe & hood wearing, cross burning type of racist I do believe very strongly they are at best passive racists. They voted for a racist according to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney. Now that the alt-right white supremacists have joined their party Republicans truly are the racist party and will continue to be until they denounce this wing of the party. A passive racist lets someone else spew hate while they stand back and say "I don't agree with everything they say." Bull. If you're a Republican you are a racist. Own up to it.
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I think Trump defenders in this forum who claim that only a small percentage of Trump supporters are bullies and bigots and accuse the NY Times of fanning the flames as living a bubble, don't seem to be aware of the palpable fear of Trump and his people that scores of millions of Americans have developed by watching Trump' since his birther days, and he and his followers at his rallies. Our church has been filled to the rafters on the two Sundays since Election Day with people filled with anxiety and fear that the United States has become a very mean and unwelcoming place for non-whites and moderates and liberals of all skin colors and ethnic backgrounds.
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People who are scared are playing into the media's hands. The media has convinced them that Trump and his thugs are coming to get them. That so many people are so gullible is the truly scary thing. There is plenty in this world we need to worry about. And most of these people probably actually believe the word gullible is in the dictionary.
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People who are scared have every right to be.
This is no media act. These people and their racist agenda are quite real, and have a long history of violence.
Granted, there is plenty in the world to be scared about.
And White Nationalists are one of them.
For more information -- or to report a hate crime, visit:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splc.org)
This is no media act. These people and their racist agenda are quite real, and have a long history of violence.
Granted, there is plenty in the world to be scared about.
And White Nationalists are one of them.
For more information -- or to report a hate crime, visit:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splc.org)
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When Trump has said he's going to round up 11 million illegals and deport them, the media is reporting what he said. The media and NYT did not have to convince people of anything. They merely had to put quotation marks around his words.
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If the Times can make the bold decision to print the word "pussy," it can certainly make the bold decision to print the word "fascist."
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Mr. Spencer would like immigration preference given to white Europeans, whom he supposes, are dying to come here. Seriously?
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I think Mr. Spencer would be quite surprised to find that the white Europeans of whom he speaks would not be likely to want to have anything to do with him.
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White supremacist groups, such as NPI, are actually continuing the old view of an America that actively created laws to codify racial supremacy of whites over non-whites. These are the same groups whose philosophical ancestors legislated race base slavery that was past on to the next generation, extermination of Native Americans, fought against women's right to vote, fought against Jewish refugees entering America during WWII, and fought against the integration of the military.
Thankfully America started to change its thinking through the hard efforts of Dr King and allies. They wee/are certainly not fans of Dr King.
However, the resurgence of these old forces is largely a reaction to their fears that America has become more diverse over the last 30 years. For example:
A report by NPI in 2007, said Brown V Board of a education Supreme Court ruling, which made equal access to public education the law of the land, the arguably the worst Supreme Court decision in its history.
The former chairman said he wanted the Republican Party to be the party of white interests.
This very article stated the NPI openly were discussing ways to "reorient" the demographics of this country.
These are all symptoms of racists, anti-American values to most Americans, rather noise of fringe politics. Equalizing and comparing this group to ultra liberal fringe groups is either a lack of historical awareness, or, a willful wink that accepts their existence and use.
Thankfully America started to change its thinking through the hard efforts of Dr King and allies. They wee/are certainly not fans of Dr King.
However, the resurgence of these old forces is largely a reaction to their fears that America has become more diverse over the last 30 years. For example:
A report by NPI in 2007, said Brown V Board of a education Supreme Court ruling, which made equal access to public education the law of the land, the arguably the worst Supreme Court decision in its history.
The former chairman said he wanted the Republican Party to be the party of white interests.
This very article stated the NPI openly were discussing ways to "reorient" the demographics of this country.
These are all symptoms of racists, anti-American values to most Americans, rather noise of fringe politics. Equalizing and comparing this group to ultra liberal fringe groups is either a lack of historical awareness, or, a willful wink that accepts their existence and use.
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Well, Trump has at least encouraged the rats to come out of the woodwork. It is shameful he wouldn't denounce and indeed would cynically exploit these deluded souls but they are the least of this country's problems. Trump and the so-called establishment Republicans who created this monster of a President-elect are on the way to dismantling healthcare, such as it is; rolling back environmental protections; appointing cabinet members that make concerns about privacy, and racial injustice seem almost quaint; and, through the appointment of federal judges and at least one Supreme, are in a position to severely damage abortion rights other fundamental rights.
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My Dad told me during that the Civil Rights fight during the 50's and 60's would have to be refought in about 50-60 years. That it wasn't done yet. This election proved it.
I can not march (unless someone acts as my motor and pushes), same with protesting. But, I can be a gadfly in places like this. I would like to see Marches like in the 50's where Blacks, whites, male, and female, marched arm'n'arm down the treet. I'd like to be there. Oh well, wasn't to be in the 50's, too young, now, too immobile. Now adding all 'others' helping the largest, most visible 'others'. What helps them, will help the rest of us. So is all of us ethnically 'others' that doesn't show, stand up and scream our otherness. It will scare the heck out of the lilies, we out number them.
I can not march (unless someone acts as my motor and pushes), same with protesting. But, I can be a gadfly in places like this. I would like to see Marches like in the 50's where Blacks, whites, male, and female, marched arm'n'arm down the treet. I'd like to be there. Oh well, wasn't to be in the 50's, too young, now, too immobile. Now adding all 'others' helping the largest, most visible 'others'. What helps them, will help the rest of us. So is all of us ethnically 'others' that doesn't show, stand up and scream our otherness. It will scare the heck out of the lilies, we out number them.
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If these groups are as despicable as it is implied they are, the more people see of them with their own eyes rather than simply being told that they are, if it truly is as you say people will see that. Why is it always assumed that readers are blind and stupid? If we truly are, then who are you really writing to?
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Most liberals got their news from Comedians and late nite talk shows. Liberals are now completely divorced from reality. Read how ludicrous the headlines were over at Huffpo for the past year. Liberal rags now have zero credibility. Zero. You liberal reactionaries did. This. To. Your. Selves.
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Most liberals actually know how to read, and don't depend on FOX, Breitbart, or any other right-wing outlets parading fiction as truth.
No offense, but your consistently one-sided diatribes proves everything you say is true....about your own choice of news source.
No offense, but your consistently one-sided diatribes proves everything you say is true....about your own choice of news source.
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don't forget trump's own favorite news source, the National Enquirer.
OK, Phil, I'll take your comment at face value: please tell us what reality is - or now will be - in detail. Don't spare anything. Let your mind wander. Give us all the juicy details.
Alt-right=white nationalism please call it what it is
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Please stop calling nazis by other names. It's confusing.
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So these people are socialists?
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It fill my heart with joy when I read comments that are hopeful and unifying. It makes me feel that America is still a place where reason, decency and justice prevails irrespective of the counter messages.
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Shame on these idiots for not treating others the way they want to be treated. Also shame on the NY Times for painting us who voted for Trump with a racist Brush.
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“In the long run, people like Bannon and Trump will be open to the clarity of our ideas.”
As mentioned in Politico, these people are suffering from Dunning-Kruger (though I wouldn't call it suffering) -- which was probably widespread in 1930s Germany. As Whitman said, that which feeds the soul is Truth. But the U.S. is a much bigger place, and the demographics aren‘t going backwards in a time machine.
The efficacy of this movement is far bigger in the imagination than in reality.
As mentioned in Politico, these people are suffering from Dunning-Kruger (though I wouldn't call it suffering) -- which was probably widespread in 1930s Germany. As Whitman said, that which feeds the soul is Truth. But the U.S. is a much bigger place, and the demographics aren‘t going backwards in a time machine.
The efficacy of this movement is far bigger in the imagination than in reality.
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I hestitate to mention this, but given the NYCT's inability to spot political trends, much less movements, has it occurred to the collective editorial brains that maybe what you are seeing is the diminution of the likes Al Sharton's National Action Network and other similar pressure groups that have been fed by federal largesse? And that these "alt-right"organizations are really calling for the rightful place for these hateful violent, shake-down artists, to a spot right along side of the alt-right in the galaxy of supplicants and pressure groups? Some would call it "equality."
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Just for the record.
The National Action Network does not promote itself or any race, as being superior to anything, or anyone else.
But perhaps this is just some knee-jerk reaction you have -- throwing out Al Sharpton's name in order to get a dog-whistle?
You're barking up the wrong tree.
The National Action Network does not promote itself or any race, as being superior to anything, or anyone else.
But perhaps this is just some knee-jerk reaction you have -- throwing out Al Sharpton's name in order to get a dog-whistle?
You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Don't worry, Jared Kuchner will save us.
That is.. if anyone believes what they read anymore. We just got a giant dose of Jared-the-great and the "steadying hand" of the Trump administration. He's neophyte and Trump is using him because of his religion. Otherwise, you'd have to accept that Jared helped bring us Pence and Jeff Sessions.
What a steady hand! Applause for Jared! What a joke. NY media needs to cut out the phony Jared narrative. They are deluding only themselves.
That is.. if anyone believes what they read anymore. We just got a giant dose of Jared-the-great and the "steadying hand" of the Trump administration. He's neophyte and Trump is using him because of his religion. Otherwise, you'd have to accept that Jared helped bring us Pence and Jeff Sessions.
What a steady hand! Applause for Jared! What a joke. NY media needs to cut out the phony Jared narrative. They are deluding only themselves.
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300 people attended and half of them were protesting the conference. That makes 150 participants. That is .00000288 of the 52,000,000 Americans who voted for Donald Trump. It is disingenuous to treat this group as being characteristic of Trump voters.
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First off, you are only counting those who attended the meeting. There are many others that were not there. Second, apply the same logic to the Muslim population and those that have been radicalized - in both cases its a relatively small number of highly motivated and disruptive voices vs much larger populations. The irony here is that the far right has no problem showing the threat of an extremely small minority of a vast religious group but are silent when the message is closer to home.
Those at the very end of any spectrum fail to represent the majority of us in the middle. Identifying and containing these dangerous rebels is paramount to insuring the safety and diversity of our society. It is a battle for the ages and we cannot lose perspective or diminish our vigilance to fight against those so committed to such perverse idealism.
Those at the very end of any spectrum fail to represent the majority of us in the middle. Identifying and containing these dangerous rebels is paramount to insuring the safety and diversity of our society. It is a battle for the ages and we cannot lose perspective or diminish our vigilance to fight against those so committed to such perverse idealism.
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Wait, wait, you're making way too much sense. Remember the article is coming from a cynical hate rag that only wants to stir the pot, and sell a subscription to other cynical haters.
Voting for Trump automatically makes you a racialist Nazi, because Hillary was such an awesome alternative :/
Voting for Trump automatically makes you a racialist Nazi, because Hillary was such an awesome alternative :/
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And so, then it would seem the 2 million voters for Clinton SHOULD also be heard, rather than have their voices abridged. But of course you are FOR minority voices when it convenient for you. So here are some of your .00000288 voices that you overweight and respect. They are you, americaontheskids, so aptly named.
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You guys just love stirring the pot. Ever going to do an article on all the criminals and gang members that love the Democrats? Or are you just going to continue to be one sided?
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The big shots at the times could care less . As long as their cushy lives are intact and no one is goring their oxen then all is fine on Eighth Ave.
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These groups have always existed and their motives are varied. The NYT is choosing to fill its pages with these stories not because there’s any new information here, and no, there really isn’t, but because they’re building the alt-left narrative with this steady drumbeat of propaganda for the new incoming president. He wasn't you're pick, I get it. NYT has been in the tank for Hillary since 2008; let it go. She would have been terrible.
What I find sad is the progressive decline in this paper from being a regular news source for me to being unreliable. IMO you've dropped fairness, truth and clarity over the past 20 years in favor of hard-left fiction entertainment news. Half these articles aren't even worthy of TMZ.
What I find sad is the progressive decline in this paper from being a regular news source for me to being unreliable. IMO you've dropped fairness, truth and clarity over the past 20 years in favor of hard-left fiction entertainment news. Half these articles aren't even worthy of TMZ.
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I'm thinking that we should change the name of 'The Greatest Generation' to 'The Sucker Generation'. They went to war to defeat Naziism and a Aryan supremacist ideology and apparently it was a complete waste of time because we now tolerate it here.
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How come I never read "Black Nationalists Celebrate Obama's Election and Re-Election" ?
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Because that would have been a falsehood.
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@Dawn
You are aware that President Obama received a relatively high average of White votes (even in Red States!), aren't you?
You can Google it.
You are aware that President Obama received a relatively high average of White votes (even in Red States!), aren't you?
You can Google it.
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Latest FBI stats reveal a recent spike (2015) in anti-Muslim hate crime (67%). Overall hate crimes stats down from 2013.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/14/us/fbi-hate-crime-report-muslims/
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-hate-crime-statistics-available
A few hundred extremists meeting in Washington provides good fodder for slamming the incoming administration. Note that the alt-right "fake news" media is not composed solely of mouth-frothing racists.
Politically correct speech is not as prevalent. Ranting is common. Alternate perspectives. There is sober and reasoned discussion on many relevant topics. Try it some time. Free speech is still protected by the US Constitution.
Directly equating a large number of American voters with a handful of racialist extremists was an error, Trump was still elected.
America has its problems but is not Weimar Germany, not even close.
Tip for the next opposition candidate: don't insult your potential voter base by calling them whatever insult de jour is currently the most politically incorrect. It will backfire.
Trump voters ignored the mainstream media's overwhelmingly partisan rhetoric and misinformation. Of course, that theory has yet to be explored in much detail by the mainstream media. Denial of reality and constant fear of losing face is no way to go through life, people. Get a grip. Learn from your errors.
And today, thanks to the New York Times, a White Nationalist group gets national media coverage. Go figure.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/14/us/fbi-hate-crime-report-muslims/
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-hate-crime-statistics-available
A few hundred extremists meeting in Washington provides good fodder for slamming the incoming administration. Note that the alt-right "fake news" media is not composed solely of mouth-frothing racists.
Politically correct speech is not as prevalent. Ranting is common. Alternate perspectives. There is sober and reasoned discussion on many relevant topics. Try it some time. Free speech is still protected by the US Constitution.
Directly equating a large number of American voters with a handful of racialist extremists was an error, Trump was still elected.
America has its problems but is not Weimar Germany, not even close.
Tip for the next opposition candidate: don't insult your potential voter base by calling them whatever insult de jour is currently the most politically incorrect. It will backfire.
Trump voters ignored the mainstream media's overwhelmingly partisan rhetoric and misinformation. Of course, that theory has yet to be explored in much detail by the mainstream media. Denial of reality and constant fear of losing face is no way to go through life, people. Get a grip. Learn from your errors.
And today, thanks to the New York Times, a White Nationalist group gets national media coverage. Go figure.
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You liberals did it to yourselves. With loose immigration standards, loose abortion laws, loose marriage laws, a welfare state, and you kept infringing on republican values until you finally went too far. Now, we have the power. Now it is our turn to dictate to you about healthcare, marriage, immigration, drugs and the welfare state. We have the courts, the congress and the presidency.
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What exactly are those "republican values" that have been infringed upon?
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And we will fight you every step of the way.
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Republican values concerning marriage, abortion, the welfare state, taxes, immigration? You know what those values are. Why ask? Liberal values are "anything goes". Chaos. You had a good run, and changed America to where no republican can recognize it. Now, we will make America great again. Any more questions?
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What the heck is "white culture?" Too bad they didn't pay any attention in ninth-grade science--race is a social construct, not a biological one. Nor, even, a religious one--remember that fellow named "Adam?" Absurdity piled on top of ignorance--dangerous combination.
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The Matt Forney who was interviewed self-published a book about how to have sex with young women in the Phillipines without paying for them. So glad the culture is moving more in his direction.
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We've always had our closet "sheet wearers", "American Nazis" and Clive Bundy types, but please keep in mind that only 19.3 % of our total estimated population voted for Trump. Don't buy "futures" in "White Trash Christmas" CD's. Demographics show a continued rise in minorities until they become a majority shortly. Despite this year, which has confounded everyone, the angry, xenophobic, bigoted, white minority is going down. We'll have to wait for that, but keep it in mind.
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These are the folks who believe themselves enabled by the Great White Shark who gets away with everything.
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And only 19.4 percent of our total population voted for Hillary. What's your point?
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The point is, if it was purely up to the popular vote, and not the Electoral College -- Clinton would be the winner (by over 1.5 MILLION votes!).
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“They have to grow up and start shedding some of their more controversial elements,” said Erick Erickson, a conservative blogger and commentator who has been critical of Mr. Trump. “I don’t think they will ever be accepted wholeheartedly in the Republican Party.”
The "Republican Party" is not only the party of elected officials and Party officials and paid consultants. It is also the Party of those who vote for Republican candidates. You don't have to look past this year's vote results to see that many Republican voters have enthusiastically accepted the bigotry, racism, and xenophobia of the alt-right, which has been there all along like a virus waiting for a host, which turns out to be the very large and obviously healthy body of Republican voters.
The "Republican Party" is not only the party of elected officials and Party officials and paid consultants. It is also the Party of those who vote for Republican candidates. You don't have to look past this year's vote results to see that many Republican voters have enthusiastically accepted the bigotry, racism, and xenophobia of the alt-right, which has been there all along like a virus waiting for a host, which turns out to be the very large and obviously healthy body of Republican voters.
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My biggest fear is that USA will become the next Trump Bankruptcy financially and morally.There are signs of declining moral and integrity standard among the politicians. Example would be Ted Cruz. Moral and personal dignities prostitution are rampant .How sad !!!!!!
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The Great White Shark will commingle the federal budget with his own personal accounts and laugh at all the suckers who empowered him to do so, and the disenfranchised who couldn't do anything about it, too.
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"The Great White Shark will commingle the federal budget with his own personal accounts"
Just as HRC would have made her corrupt foundation an integral part of the executive branch of the US government.
Just as HRC would have made her corrupt foundation an integral part of the executive branch of the US government.
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This was bound to happen. Every group in America except is "celebrated" when it binds together to preserve its culture and traditions. Strange that it only becomes a problem when whites do the same thing.
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OK. No offense --- You're in Iceland, so you don't get it.
But you might want to Google Ku Klux Klan to get a better idea of what's really happening here before weighing in.
But you might want to Google Ku Klux Klan to get a better idea of what's really happening here before weighing in.
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There is no such thing as 'whites'. Races don't exist in science. Entirely invented... by white racists to justify the Atlantic slave trade.
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They are not 'celebrating white culture'. They are calling for the economic and political dominance of one particular race, exercised through discriminatory policies. This is problematic in the context of America and what it stands for, given that it is a country built on stolen lands and made up of immigrants. surely you can appreciate the irony of a bunch of European descendants attempting to block people who are genetically much closer to native Americans from crossing the border.
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Is this really happening?! How is it 2016 and I'm reading a headline about white supremacists meeting in DC, optimistic about their agenda coming to fruition!!! Wake up everybody...we have to fight this with everything we have.
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The NRA has been arming them up for decades. They may have the jump on you.
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Why do I feel like I am in 1930's Germany all of a sudden. I was unfortunate enough to be born right after Hitler rose to power, but was lucky enough to escape with my Jewish father and Christian mother to the United States. I am not comparing the US at this time to that Germany of my memory, but let us be careful and vigilant before we start on that horrific slippery slope.
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This country has fast forwarded in REVERSE...
I'm so ashamed of this country as of late... electing trump is bad enough. As for him, anyone can be and say what they wish, so I can't be upset with that person, only disagree and hope most others will do so as well What so disheartening to me is that I thought I knew this country better than I actually do..... and now with these types becoming so embolden it's truly a very sad path that the United States is taking.
I'm so ashamed of this country as of late... electing trump is bad enough. As for him, anyone can be and say what they wish, so I can't be upset with that person, only disagree and hope most others will do so as well What so disheartening to me is that I thought I knew this country better than I actually do..... and now with these types becoming so embolden it's truly a very sad path that the United States is taking.
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The old Nazi slogan was Deutschland Erwoch, or Germany Awake. Nothing new about this. As for the "party of Lincoln", they were trying to get rid of him until Gettysburg because they thought he'd lose the next election, not for any moral or ethical reasons related to the Civil War. Nothing new about that, either. Elect people whose sole interest is hanging on to office, and the rest is inevitable, and very predictable. Maybe they should change their name to the alt-obvious?
First. It's 'Deutschland Erwache' -- but you got the translation right.
However I fear it's too late for the U.S. with Trump at the helm.
However I fear it's too late for the U.S. with Trump at the helm.
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100 people with odd views get together and NYT calls it a movement?
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There's more than 100 .... that's the problem.
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I feel like I just read an outline of how the world is going to end.
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And the left has anarchists and rioters causing millions in damage. Do they represent all Democrats?
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One difference being that those anarchists aren't actually Democrats. Just ask them, they'll tell you. They can be either Democrats or anarchists, but not really both.
Another difference, not that another is needed after the first difference, is that the Democrats in office and with appointments aren't giving a platform to anarchists, whereas some Republicans are giving a platform to these alt-right dorks.
Another difference, not that another is needed after the first difference, is that the Democrats in office and with appointments aren't giving a platform to anarchists, whereas some Republicans are giving a platform to these alt-right dorks.
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The nationalist right and Le Pen are leading the polls in France too. This is a global phenomenon, the cause of which is a deeply corrupt political and financial system in the major Western powers.
This isn't just a blip on the screen, a minor trend, or a meme. The left needs to get serious about addressing it. Criticizing them won't work. Need to reform the system. Been saying this since 2008, fell on deaf ears at the D party --- also deeply corrupt and run by the wrong people.
Only a revolution in the D party can address the revolution in the R party and the global phenomenon . Chuck Shumer isn't a good start. This is much more serious than most people think.
This isn't just a blip on the screen, a minor trend, or a meme. The left needs to get serious about addressing it. Criticizing them won't work. Need to reform the system. Been saying this since 2008, fell on deaf ears at the D party --- also deeply corrupt and run by the wrong people.
Only a revolution in the D party can address the revolution in the R party and the global phenomenon . Chuck Shumer isn't a good start. This is much more serious than most people think.
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I agree, no one should pretend that the white nationalist movement is out on the fringes any longer. And everyone should remember that Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, an Orthodox Jew, was the architect of his presidential campaign. So what is this election really about?
These people are simply in the business of oppression and terrorism. They are greedy (wanting control of policy, jobs and resources) and dancing with the devil while trying to convince people they are Christians. They renamed themselves alt-right to make themselves sound hip and mainstream but that's just putting lipstick on a pig. This is not 1955 and no one is going to take their sinister plans lying down. They are not Nationalists, which means a feeling of superiority over other nations. They see their own countrymen as the enemy and are Supremacists/racists. We are all under one US flag. But many of them fly two flags that represented opposing sides because they want their cake and eat it too. The confederacy was defeated but they are still fighting the civil war.
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Maybe they need to lose again, but this time don't withdraw the Union Army.
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@gazmac
Must say, you appear to have a better handle on our political landscape than many Americans do.
Must say, you appear to have a better handle on our political landscape than many Americans do.
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This article does not legitimatize White Supremacy, however, Media attention that was paid to a candidate for President who professed White Supremacist rationales was lacking the judiciousness expected from the Journalists.
Trump’s demented, and clearly Irrational, insulting language to his peers should have warned the Media that this was a “loose cannon” and was best ignored, the way they always do with a candidate who runs for the legalization of pot.
People are in prison for bullying, yet Trumps’ bullying was celebrated in debates as though it represented some gladiatorial strength. It was appalling. Now, his victims are in thrall, and all this was Created by Media, that has already lost a considerable audience, thus this seemingly innocuous “need to make money” drove the media to Yellow Journalism on their hands and knees. Look what they have gotten us into now?
Trump’s demented, and clearly Irrational, insulting language to his peers should have warned the Media that this was a “loose cannon” and was best ignored, the way they always do with a candidate who runs for the legalization of pot.
People are in prison for bullying, yet Trumps’ bullying was celebrated in debates as though it represented some gladiatorial strength. It was appalling. Now, his victims are in thrall, and all this was Created by Media, that has already lost a considerable audience, thus this seemingly innocuous “need to make money” drove the media to Yellow Journalism on their hands and knees. Look what they have gotten us into now?
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I appreciate the theory behind the Alt-right, that is the exercise of ones freedom of association even to the exclusion of other groups. Putting that theory into practice is an entirely different matter.
The Alt-Right, as I understand them, wish a white homeland that is populated by people who share their same vision, lifestyles, and desires. So one would have a white homeland, a black homeland, an Asian homeland, a Jewish homeland, an Hispanic homeland, etc. But then comes the further segmentation.
Now you have a white homeland with conservatives, liberals, moderates, anarchists, and the Skinheads. So what do you do? Divide it again into five different geographical homelands? And what about gays, women, Amish, or other subgroups of whites? By the time you're done you have three dozen nations. Then multiply that across all the other racial groupings. You end up with more groups than the existing states.
And who chooses where these groups will live? Say the white, Christian, conservatives are relegated to Idaho. No way am I moving to Idaho even if I desired to live in a society of all like-minded people. Way too cold. Stay in North Carolina? Nice, but what if the blacks want that piece of land? Do Polynesian Americans get Hawaii, or do they take Montana where they can learn to shovel snow?
By the time you've Balkanized your groups, each sub-group will possess about thirty seven square yards of land. It's kinda tough to build a viable nation on that sized plot of ground.
The Alt-Right, as I understand them, wish a white homeland that is populated by people who share their same vision, lifestyles, and desires. So one would have a white homeland, a black homeland, an Asian homeland, a Jewish homeland, an Hispanic homeland, etc. But then comes the further segmentation.
Now you have a white homeland with conservatives, liberals, moderates, anarchists, and the Skinheads. So what do you do? Divide it again into five different geographical homelands? And what about gays, women, Amish, or other subgroups of whites? By the time you're done you have three dozen nations. Then multiply that across all the other racial groupings. You end up with more groups than the existing states.
And who chooses where these groups will live? Say the white, Christian, conservatives are relegated to Idaho. No way am I moving to Idaho even if I desired to live in a society of all like-minded people. Way too cold. Stay in North Carolina? Nice, but what if the blacks want that piece of land? Do Polynesian Americans get Hawaii, or do they take Montana where they can learn to shovel snow?
By the time you've Balkanized your groups, each sub-group will possess about thirty seven square yards of land. It's kinda tough to build a viable nation on that sized plot of ground.
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If you are a white nationalist, the liberal elite will call you a racist. If you are a black lives matter radical, you are exercising your first amendment right. Trump will end such hypocrisy.
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If anything, Trump will end free speech in this country.
And just for the record.
White Nationalists are racists.
Period.
And just for the record.
White Nationalists are racists.
Period.
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All lives matter. Good grief.
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To the government worshiping "progressives" black and hispanic nationalists are saints while white nationalists are devils.
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Interesting that Mr. Taylor would move from libertarian views to statist ones so aggressively.
I don't know where this is going, but this is the core group of people who will become fascist jackbooted thugs knocking down doors if it goes that far. And I think that is the long game here, not by Trump, but some of those he has surrounded himself with.
I don't know where this is going, but this is the core group of people who will become fascist jackbooted thugs knocking down doors if it goes that far. And I think that is the long game here, not by Trump, but some of those he has surrounded himself with.
You need to call this what it is: Fascism.
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There is so much misdirected anger and hatred in this country that a Hitler type person has been elected president. Peace and love has been buried. The people now in control of our lives are the arrogant, paranoid, rude, racist, misinformed and under-educated who like a cancer, will consume our society. How hard will they be fought is the question. There has always been racists and anti-Semites mostly hidden among us but Bannon and Trump have taken them mainstream. My fear is that these are the people with the weapons and are more than willing to use them.
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The image that Richard Spencer projected onto the screen behind him along with the words "Become Who We Are /2016" is that of Michelangelo's masterpiece, David, completed in 1504. One of the greatest heroes of the Jewish faith, David was the lone warrior in Saul's army who would successfully challenge and defeat the Philistine giant, Goliath and secure the freedom of his people. Do white supremacists secretly wish to be Jews?!
The story of David has become synonymous with overcoming the odds, the underdog's improbable victory. Today, the legacy of the Philistine is to have become an adjective or a noun that describes one who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts. I find it very telling that a white supremacist group would choose to put themselves in the shoes of the Jewish people, a group that -- until Spencer's slideshow -- they claimed to hate, in order to craft an underdog position for themselves.
Are we to believe that Neo-Nazis and the KKK long to be Jewish? Do they merely seek to find common ground with those that they have long-professed to be evil? Is this a plea to the rest of society to somehow find empathy for their plight? No, I think they are simply homework-averse philistines wearing very poorly-fashioned costumes that will fool a very small number of near-sighted, highly impressionable people.
The rest of us are a lot smarter than that and we are interested in making a just world in which we can all find a productive common path forward.
Onward!
The story of David has become synonymous with overcoming the odds, the underdog's improbable victory. Today, the legacy of the Philistine is to have become an adjective or a noun that describes one who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts. I find it very telling that a white supremacist group would choose to put themselves in the shoes of the Jewish people, a group that -- until Spencer's slideshow -- they claimed to hate, in order to craft an underdog position for themselves.
Are we to believe that Neo-Nazis and the KKK long to be Jewish? Do they merely seek to find common ground with those that they have long-professed to be evil? Is this a plea to the rest of society to somehow find empathy for their plight? No, I think they are simply homework-averse philistines wearing very poorly-fashioned costumes that will fool a very small number of near-sighted, highly impressionable people.
The rest of us are a lot smarter than that and we are interested in making a just world in which we can all find a productive common path forward.
Onward!
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Thank you!
Is there a reason why we must call these people white "nationalists" instead of "supremacists". If the age of political correctness is over, then let's call things as they are. Or are we to call them the national socialist worker's party?
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"The first, and most obvious, is this: Treat every poisoned word as a promise. When a bigoted blusterer tells you he intends to force members of a religious minority to register with the authorities—believe him."
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/217831/what-to-do-abou...
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/217831/what-to-do-abou...
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Fake news.
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The awakening that I abhor about this election and the campaign itself is the subtle acceptance of the crude, the mean, the nasty, the belittling, the boastfulness, the apparent power grabbing by president elect through his family,
and the overall and total disregard for tradition and respect for history.
I take nothing that the president-elect says at his word. He is not trustworthy in any area. The rest of the world is awaking to the fact that we've elected a totally undisciplined and untrustworthy leader of our country.
and the overall and total disregard for tradition and respect for history.
I take nothing that the president-elect says at his word. He is not trustworthy in any area. The rest of the world is awaking to the fact that we've elected a totally undisciplined and untrustworthy leader of our country.
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Although everything I read about emboldened white supremacists makes me sad, reading the phrase "the alt-right as an intellectual vanguard" had me snorting with laughter. Really? Intellectual? Well, wow me with your deep, deep thoughts, fellows.
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Educate yourself. There are many different strains within the alt-right and there are plenty of great thinkers and persuaders within those strains. Take, for example, Milo Yiannopoulos, a rising star who currently is an editor at Breitbart. He has charisma, a rapier wit, brilliant rhetoric, and, as a self-proclaimed flaming homosexual, speaks to many people who have wrongly branded the alt-right as just a bunch of toothless, homophobic bigots. He is the perfect example of the humor, youthful vigor and intellectual prowess within the alt-right and people like you who are so quick to dismiss the lively intellectual forums within this movement are the reason the pernicious strains of the alt-R have so much momentum.
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Being smart or persuasive isn't the same as being decent.
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More than a year of repeatedly asking Trump if he would respect the election results.....first the primary, then the general. Turns out it was moot all along and now the democrats and liberals have no idea what to do but throw a massive hissy fit, complete with riots. Talk about hypocrisy. Anyone who doesn't agree with them must be for Trump and, if you're for Trump, well then it stands to reason you must be a racist, homophobe, mysoginist, etc. That sound about right?
I didn't support or vote for either candidate and, as much as I can't stand Hillary, I admit the country would be better off, albeit marginally, if she were heading to the White House.
Dems should learn from this. Don't coronate your next candidate years in advance and stack the deck against anyone who might challenge them.....debate schedules, oppo research by DNC on Dem candidates, debate questions in advance, super delegates, etc. Isn't it ironic how Dems accuse Republicans of disenfranchising voters? And don't generalize all Trump supporters as racist, etc. Follow this and you should win. Don't follow it and he's going to win by 400 in 2020. Based on what I'm reading here, sounds like you should save your energy and money for 2024.
I didn't support or vote for either candidate and, as much as I can't stand Hillary, I admit the country would be better off, albeit marginally, if she were heading to the White House.
Dems should learn from this. Don't coronate your next candidate years in advance and stack the deck against anyone who might challenge them.....debate schedules, oppo research by DNC on Dem candidates, debate questions in advance, super delegates, etc. Isn't it ironic how Dems accuse Republicans of disenfranchising voters? And don't generalize all Trump supporters as racist, etc. Follow this and you should win. Don't follow it and he's going to win by 400 in 2020. Based on what I'm reading here, sounds like you should save your energy and money for 2024.
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Yep! The deplorables are irremediable... And by the way, Trump and his rebranded version of the Ku Klux Klan, just woke up a sleeping tiger... Get ready to rumble, because the protesters movement just woke up...
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Sound and fury signifying nothing.
The truth: The Democratic Party (I voted twice for Obama and this time, Clinton) is only the party of the home delivery area of The New York Times (I am a 50 plus year reader of the TImes). Please, come with me to western North Carolina, and allow me to drive you on the highways and byways and enumerate one by one the shuttered factories. Then let me take you to the Church were my wife's cousin pastors, and I will show you the food distribution lines every Saturday. Then after one day you will see why Clinton lost.
The truth: The Democratic Party (I voted twice for Obama and this time, Clinton) is only the party of the home delivery area of The New York Times (I am a 50 plus year reader of the TImes). Please, come with me to western North Carolina, and allow me to drive you on the highways and byways and enumerate one by one the shuttered factories. Then let me take you to the Church were my wife's cousin pastors, and I will show you the food distribution lines every Saturday. Then after one day you will see why Clinton lost.
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If it wasn't clear to you before, I hope you can see with trumps appointments, he's certainly not going to do anything about those food lines. At least Clinton was going to try.
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Not all the people who elected Trump are racists. But this is no question that every one of these people voted for one.
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I wonder if it ever crosses these guy's minds that a newly elected someone might just be spooling enough rope thataway for the ultimate purpose of facilitating a pyrhhic victory that features mostly metaphors left dangling.
What other outcome could there be when innuendo is taken as policy?
What other outcome could there be when innuendo is taken as policy?
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I hope things like this will cause the people who voted as a joke or a protest and the people who didn’t vote at all to take voting more serious the next time. There’ll be another election for the entire House of Representative and for many Senators in 2018. Get involved early and try to bring back checks and balances to put some brakes on this rapid slide towards right-wing extremism.
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How long will it be before we go to war with one another in this country? Or has that war really already started, and some of us are sitting on a lily pad clinging to our ideals? How did so many people go down such dark paths and why are they so mad at everyone?
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they dont know how to relate to people who dont look like them and are terrified of a multi-colored America coming in which they are only equals among many. Thus they truly are afraid of functioning as nontribal, but individual human beings.
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I hope this article is read by everyone who voted for Trump who is not white, male and Christian. Look in the mirror - if you do not fit the prior description you no longer have a seat at the table.
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Did the article mention anything about women other than the fact that the crowd was "mostly white male"?
These racists are no different from BLM and other anti-white racist organizations embraced by NYTimes and other regressive left media. Not focusing on skin color, gender and other identities has become "racist" and "bigoted" in the eyes of the leftist media. The left has reversed what M.L.King Jr had been preaching: they insisted that a person must be judged only by their race, gender, etc. Whoever disagreed was deemed racist. Instead of attacking the actual racists, the left has focused on mostly liberal individuals who disagreed with its often violent and extremist identity politics.
This is the consequence of identity politics imposed by the left and now enacted by the right.
This is the consequence of identity politics imposed by the left and now enacted by the right.
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BLM doesn't have a problem with white people but it does have a problem with oppression, in particular the disproportionate daily killing of black people by the police.
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So, what other "anti-white racist organizations embraced by the NYTimes" are you referring to?
Please name them.
And you might want to take another look at BLM.
It's an international activist group born out of the need to acknowledge the systemic violence perpetrated against Black people -- not the hate mob you've made it out to be...and certainly not the likes of the KKK.
This isn't a 'left' or 'right' matter --- this is a race matter.
Please name them.
And you might want to take another look at BLM.
It's an international activist group born out of the need to acknowledge the systemic violence perpetrated against Black people -- not the hate mob you've made it out to be...and certainly not the likes of the KKK.
This isn't a 'left' or 'right' matter --- this is a race matter.
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I really wish the NYTimes and other major media outlets would refuse to use the term "alt-right" and call this deplorable movement what it is. They are Neo-Nazis or white supremacists. One can assume Richard Spencer tried to soften or disguise their racist beliefs with a more politically correct label to attract more potential converts. This movement has a very ugly history as almost everyone knows and this history should never be forgotten!
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Alt-Right are the: Radical Whites & Radical Christians together. Too the point the Radical Christians threw away all their so called morals this campaign. Now to them, rape, sexual assault, stealing, lie-ing are all allowed. Even tax evasion, but, I think that started earlier.
All of you poor souls that are still wringing your hands...get a grip on it. Dividing this country into groups and pandering to them is what lost you the election. I see you are still doing it. If I disagree with you about any of your groups, you start calling me a "basket" of names. Most of us have been quiet too long with this diversity group speak. God made us all different for a reason. You folks want us all to look different but think the same.
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who is dividing???
No offense. But you're you don't get it.
This has nothing to do with "pandering" it's about getting along with each other...something we in this country have managed to do for awhile.
It's not about looking, or not looking alike -- it's about having respect for the differences.
Another thing about the "basket of deplorables" reference.
It wasn't about you, or even people in general -- it was about the mentality that allows fear and hatred because of religion, race, or gender, to cloud all reason.
But if the shoe fits....
This has nothing to do with "pandering" it's about getting along with each other...something we in this country have managed to do for awhile.
It's not about looking, or not looking alike -- it's about having respect for the differences.
Another thing about the "basket of deplorables" reference.
It wasn't about you, or even people in general -- it was about the mentality that allows fear and hatred because of religion, race, or gender, to cloud all reason.
But if the shoe fits....
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No, sir, what the "hand-wringing" people want is for this country to uphold its sacred promise that all are created equal.
They seek an America that will protect the the "right of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness", regardless of race, creed, sex, and sexual orientation throughout the country. Thankfully, this country has largely trended towards its original promise over the last 30 years.
However, given the long history of this nation not living up to these promises for all Americans, it is purely logical to sound the alarm at this resurgence of the same groups of people that have sought to fight what America ought to be at every step of the way.
They seek an America that will protect the the "right of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness", regardless of race, creed, sex, and sexual orientation throughout the country. Thankfully, this country has largely trended towards its original promise over the last 30 years.
However, given the long history of this nation not living up to these promises for all Americans, it is purely logical to sound the alarm at this resurgence of the same groups of people that have sought to fight what America ought to be at every step of the way.
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With Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions in key positions around Donnie, and other KKK-sympathizers waiting for key appointments, the Alt-Right and its Neo-Nazi white supremacist derivative groups are in celebratory mood.
With Donnie in charge, the Oval Office is within their reach... God save us !
With Donnie in charge, the Oval Office is within their reach... God save us !
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So the meeting was filled with alt-kults, but the article doesn't specifically state which of the cults were present.
Were they all KKK? Skinheads? White Power? Christian Nation?
The Southern Poverty Law Center identifies over a thousand groups nationwide and there are dozens of specifically named groups.
Which one or ones were these?
"Far-right" and "alt-right" are meaningless.
Up your game, Times. Be specific.
Were they all KKK? Skinheads? White Power? Christian Nation?
The Southern Poverty Law Center identifies over a thousand groups nationwide and there are dozens of specifically named groups.
Which one or ones were these?
"Far-right" and "alt-right" are meaningless.
Up your game, Times. Be specific.
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Stankard believes Trump "sympathizes with the plight of white racists"? The brutes want sympathy now? The old joke about where to find the word "sympathy" in the dictionary has never rung so true.
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Trump pledged to unify the country on 60 Minutes. Where is his tweet denouncing this gathering of avowed racists?
danschorr.blogspot.com
danschorr.blogspot.com
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So the First Amendment should be lambasted?
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The alt-right in a nutshell, for those unfamiliar with it:
"The bulk of their demands, after all, are not so audacious: they want their own communities, populated by their own people, and governed by their own values. In short, they want what every people fighting for self-determination in history have ever wanted, and what progressives are always telling us people should be allowed — unless those people are white. "
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-...
"The bulk of their demands, after all, are not so audacious: they want their own communities, populated by their own people, and governed by their own values. In short, they want what every people fighting for self-determination in history have ever wanted, and what progressives are always telling us people should be allowed — unless those people are white. "
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-...
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We are in agreement. All involved in this movement should find a piece of land, an unincorporated island, and move there en masse....hopefully far far away from this country. We have more in common than either of us thought!
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Yes let they form their own comunes of haters and destroy each other.
They want the whole country and the right to make everyone believe what they believe.
You also keep saying the trash are pure white. No such thing. Anywhere in the world. You can go all the way back to the first group of Blacks who left Africa, on up through all the other groups left. But, all human beings came from Africa and started out black. Don't want to go that far back? Well, before the Eastern Hemisphere 'colonized' the Western there were uncountable invasions, wars, the slave trade (from vikings on). Yes Blacks enslaved Blacks, just as whites enslaved whites. Big deal. Those 'whites' who come from Southern Europe are not pure white, or white, black mixes. There were invasions of armies from Asia, the Asian steps (Gengis Khan among others), those from the middle east, and mixes of those ethnicities. They left their genetics all over Europe from the south to the west and the east. A few centuries Europe was calling it'self 'white'. Not by your standards of 1 drop of Black blood, making you black. Of course the Vikings were dragging all races through Northern Europe, both as slaves and has wives (they were very short of 1. Land and 2 Women. They didn't care what color they were. What we will look like in not that long is more like Indians (who caught the brunt of every army), less like Africans, though they, mostly in the US, are no more pure Black than the whites are pure white. Here we have one more mix. Native Americans.
You also keep saying the trash are pure white. No such thing. Anywhere in the world. You can go all the way back to the first group of Blacks who left Africa, on up through all the other groups left. But, all human beings came from Africa and started out black. Don't want to go that far back? Well, before the Eastern Hemisphere 'colonized' the Western there were uncountable invasions, wars, the slave trade (from vikings on). Yes Blacks enslaved Blacks, just as whites enslaved whites. Big deal. Those 'whites' who come from Southern Europe are not pure white, or white, black mixes. There were invasions of armies from Asia, the Asian steps (Gengis Khan among others), those from the middle east, and mixes of those ethnicities. They left their genetics all over Europe from the south to the west and the east. A few centuries Europe was calling it'self 'white'. Not by your standards of 1 drop of Black blood, making you black. Of course the Vikings were dragging all races through Northern Europe, both as slaves and has wives (they were very short of 1. Land and 2 Women. They didn't care what color they were. What we will look like in not that long is more like Indians (who caught the brunt of every army), less like Africans, though they, mostly in the US, are no more pure Black than the whites are pure white. Here we have one more mix. Native Americans.
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There will be an attempt to normalize the white nationalist appeal to Trump by saying he is open to all Americans including the KKK. Give me a break.
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A Nazi is a Nazi, no matter what name they use to disguise themselves.
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Keep the spotlight on them and their true nature will be known. This is just the beginning.
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Their true nature is already known --- we need the spotlight for it to be shown!
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Call Trump a liar when he lies. Call him corrupt when he uses his position to further his business interests. Call the 'alt-right' nutty, racist, and misogynistic because it is. Call him a hypocrite when he can't keep his promises. Call him a fascist for flirting with authoritarianism. Our democracy depends on it.
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The far left could begin to make things better by doing away with racial discrimination. So called "affirmative action" favor less qualified blacks Hispanics, and other groups over whites. Ask Asians Americans how they feel about giving up jobs and school slots to less qualified blacks and Hispanics.
How do you think Obama got into Columbia and Harvard? He was so embarrassed by his poor academic performance he would not provide his college transcripts - a standard requirement for many many jobs. And he was applying for Potus.
How do you think Obama got into Columbia and Harvard? He was so embarrassed by his poor academic performance he would not provide his college transcripts - a standard requirement for many many jobs. And he was applying for Potus.
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Where are Trump's tax returns?
Is he embarrassed to show them?
Why weren't you howling for them?
Embarrassed to ask?
Is he embarrassed to show them?
Why weren't you howling for them?
Embarrassed to ask?
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If you lived in an equal society then there wouldn't be a need for affirmative action but you don't do you? Maybe if the past rulers of the US had come up with the the 40 acres and a mule in 1865 your country wouldn't be in such a mess today. Sherman should have finished the job or let the black troops do it.
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So you assume everyone who benefits from affirmative action is unqualified?
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After fifty years of being told that they are going to be a minority in America, whites are finally acting like a minority: Sticking together, supporting each other, and voting their own interests. Why so shocked, left-wingers? This is what you wanted, isn't it? Whites as a minority? One would think you'd be overjoyed.
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You really think that's all it is ??? -- Most minority groups in America don't have a history of lynching and threatening other people as a way of "sticking" together.
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I don't recall any minority groups advocating for a ban on non-minorities from entering the country. Or calling for preferential immigration policies for their 'type'. Why this only happens with white Americans is worth asking. Also, why is it that one can scarce imagine such a proposition being put forth should say Latinos become the dominant demographic some day? It is a point worth contemplating. It all boils down to a fear of losing privilege and a fear of becoming a minority. The antidote to this fear? Start believing and disseminating the idea of superiority to justify this sense that somehow you are more entitled to the fruits of America.
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What scare me is this quote: "Emboldened by Mr. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party, Mr. Forney said he expected people openly associated with the white nationalist movement to run as candidates in the 2018 midterm elections." Trump can say he disavows white nationalists all he wants, but his background, actions and words say differently. As they say; birds of a feather flock together.
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By then Trump willl be well on his way to being our dictator not president. By mid terms elections may be a thing of the past. With a dictator, who wants to throw out any part of the constitution he thinks is against HIM, who needs a congress? He'll have a bunch of bigots as his employees, who will do as told, and do all the real thinking while Donny holds free beer rallies, demands all farm subsidies be stopped, Unless it's a 'factory farm' then they can bring in illegals for all the backbreaking work, AND get subsidies. By then, because he will not put his businesses in a blind trust, and he will always consider how much he will make with any law, he will be a trillionaire and be well on the way of bankrupting all billionaires and millionaires. Can't stand competition, so 'off with their heads', and all their losses go on MY tax returns. No more 1%s, Except him. No more middle class. No more working poor. He will however give alot to his 'charity' to spend on poor people. 20 trillion a year, to give each poor person 1 500 calorie a day meal. Cost to the government several million dollars a day. Probably on a voucher system, One small hamburger, extra small fries, 3 sip soda, pickles and ketchup only (veggies you know, he learned that from Reagan, that Ketchup was a veggie). Will cost his nationwide company $.10 per voucher with the deal he has with all the McD's. They know they have to go along or make him mad. No one wants the prez to twitte on them.
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It’s amusing that up until the late stages of this last election cycle few had ever heard of the “alt-right”. Now its critics characterize it as a “rebranded version of the Ku Klux Klan” that has been awakened and empowered because of Donald Trumps election and presumably the “red-neck” Americans who supported him.
I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised by such characterizations coming from the same crowd that ominously warned us of Trump’s dystopian vision for the country. Apparently the alt-right is now being touted as the agents who will effectuate that nightmare. While it’s safe to asssume that the KKK would be similarly “critical of politicians of all stripes for promoting diversity, immigration and perceived political correctness”, its also safe to assume that most Americans realize such promotion has come at the cost of a divided country, unsecured borders and an assault on our freedom of speech.
I’m sure that without much effort, the NYT could find an “alt-left” movement that shares similar views albeit from a different perspective. I have no problem with with either expressing themselves. Of course if either chooses to publicly promote violence, say like marching down streets chanting “pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon” I hope everyone would take issue with such sentiments. As we all know however, the same politicians opposed by the alt-right, the same ones who steadfastly promote diversity, immigration and real political correctness probably won’t.
I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised by such characterizations coming from the same crowd that ominously warned us of Trump’s dystopian vision for the country. Apparently the alt-right is now being touted as the agents who will effectuate that nightmare. While it’s safe to asssume that the KKK would be similarly “critical of politicians of all stripes for promoting diversity, immigration and perceived political correctness”, its also safe to assume that most Americans realize such promotion has come at the cost of a divided country, unsecured borders and an assault on our freedom of speech.
I’m sure that without much effort, the NYT could find an “alt-left” movement that shares similar views albeit from a different perspective. I have no problem with with either expressing themselves. Of course if either chooses to publicly promote violence, say like marching down streets chanting “pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon” I hope everyone would take issue with such sentiments. As we all know however, the same politicians opposed by the alt-right, the same ones who steadfastly promote diversity, immigration and real political correctness probably won’t.
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I guess the difference is the KKK et al have a long history of terrorism aimed at black people. BLM? No history of violence of any kind and especially not racial violence. So there is no equivalence. As for your free speech stuff, it didn't work in stopping Hitler. No platform for Nazis. That's how we keep them in the sewer in Britain (so far).
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Just like those who decided that what mommy and daddy, no mainly mommy taught them: To be courteous, respectful, and kind to all. Black mothers taught their to their kids, white mommies taught their kids, that they must be courteous, respectful and kind no matter what color, ethnicity, religion someone was. Up until the 1960's. Then mostly the men decided to be mean, disrespectful, and brutal to anyone not exactly like them, and that they should be top dogs automatically, no larnin' or hard work needed, let the 'others' do that. Mostly it was low class white men who were like this (still are I've been reading). Around 1970 some young adults worried that without the 'niceties' of life this country would explode. They came up with PC. More rules, so even the low classes could follow how they should act, than general principles like the old respect, courteous and kind. Didn't work. Why did the general principles work for so long? Down south, through the 50's most of the drudge work, housework, raising kids, and keeping white parents from ruining them was done by Black women. Who tended them from birth until they got married. They cooked, fed, cleaned, sewed, taught them why it was best to get along with everyone. Easier learning with the white kids, than with their own, cause they didn't have to say, 'you say sumfin wrong, dey kill you boy'. Then a bunch of businesses started hiring Black for factory work. Not good, make the lazy whites mad. Good manners stopped.
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"critics call it a rebranded version of the Ku Klux Klan", because the Left is fully vested in AlinskyObama/Clinton political tactics.
But no matter. Because all the New York Times & HuffPo & WaPo have left is name calling. Here's hoping they continue down that dead end, producing results akin to recent events.
But no matter. Because all the New York Times & HuffPo & WaPo have left is name calling. Here's hoping they continue down that dead end, producing results akin to recent events.
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They have been wholeheartedly accepted by the Republican Party. I don't hear any of the Republicans speaking out against them with full throat, so to me, that means they are accepted.
Governance by Gumbies for the next 4 years: no spine, no heart
Governance by Gumbies for the next 4 years: no spine, no heart
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Let's drop alt-right. We already have a good word for this politics: neo-nazi.
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Welcome to Fascist Trump America, thanks to all you who vote for this guy.
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Here come 200 Syrian refugee families- They are headed right for your community- In fact, they will be living right next door to you. You can welcome them and make kale salads together. Now may be half of you wouldn't have a problem with that- but I guarantee the other vociferous half on this thread would- "Well the reason why they can't live next door to me is because I suffer from peanut allergies" "My son plays the piano loud and bad and I wouldn't want him to disrupt their daily prayers." "My emotional support animal has separation anxiety and is always barking."
You liberals talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk - All of you come up with excuses. Hypocrites !!!
You liberals talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk - All of you come up with excuses. Hypocrites !!!
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Islamophobes, what are they like. Go around the world blowing up people's countries, creating millions of refugees and then hold their hands up and say 'nothing to do with me'.
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Live in an apartment complex, middle class, mostly nice people (the real pieces of work are all white). Hubby works here. We have every color in this building alone. The wonderful smells combing out before dinner time are wonderful. On Thursday someone will mention the wonderful smells coming from our apartment. Turkey.
Just went on a cruise this fall, people from 60 different countries represented, in passengers. Same with crew. The captain told us, when he spoke to everyone on Sept 11.
The only people I have trouble with are the ones who keep foreign hours because they are the only member of the company they work for who takes care of overseas customers, & they come from there, so they are in tune with their families too. Saturdays they don't start gearing up for the evening until 11pm. It's not an ethnicity problem. It's a bigotry problem. Like you. I love the HIndus who decorate much like we do with lights for a holiday in the middle of the summer. I like Christmas lights, I love these too.
Just went on a cruise this fall, people from 60 different countries represented, in passengers. Same with crew. The captain told us, when he spoke to everyone on Sept 11.
The only people I have trouble with are the ones who keep foreign hours because they are the only member of the company they work for who takes care of overseas customers, & they come from there, so they are in tune with their families too. Saturdays they don't start gearing up for the evening until 11pm. It's not an ethnicity problem. It's a bigotry problem. Like you. I love the HIndus who decorate much like we do with lights for a holiday in the middle of the summer. I like Christmas lights, I love these too.
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This movie is not going to end well.
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I hated the book this movie is based on, "Mein Kampf".
Over the top.
Drama-queen hysterics.
Boring.
I prefer my propaganda lean: Just draw me a ladder and name who occupies each rung. I have dozens I've drawn out.
They are remarkably similar whether secular or sectarian.
The trick is to tip the ladder on its side and erase the rungs.
Then you have an "equal sign".
Much more interesting.
Over the top.
Drama-queen hysterics.
Boring.
I prefer my propaganda lean: Just draw me a ladder and name who occupies each rung. I have dozens I've drawn out.
They are remarkably similar whether secular or sectarian.
The trick is to tip the ladder on its side and erase the rungs.
Then you have an "equal sign".
Much more interesting.
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The fact that BOTH established parties have failed the American middle class for several decades in favor of the billionaire (donor) class cannot be ignored when diagnosing the rise of the racist nationalist Donald Trump, and for that matter, the rise of progressive Bernie Sanders on the other side of the political equation (Narrowly defeated, with the assistance of the corrupt DNC)...
Trump's election, in the long term, could be the worst, or the best, political outcome...
It is up in the air, Folks...
I, for one, must believe (for the sake of my personal sanity), that we will survive this tribal, racist, and potentially, horrible outcome. I don't believe the majority of America is behind Trump, at least at this point... Rather, his base consists of a sizable minority of racists, combined with millions who were injured by the "business as usual" politics in Washington. We must face, that the Democratic "People's" party provided a status quo Wall Street bribed loser - and her gender, if anything, made it closer than it would have been.
Millions of people will be affected by Trump's victory and subsequent policies - and, so effected, they will register to vote. And since the alt-right minority always votes, and is therefore in a state of saturation, those gains will be predominantly progressive (anti Trump) and serve as a permanent firewall to the racist base who elected Trump, and the Republican Party, in general...
Voter suppression efforts aside, that is...
Trump's election, in the long term, could be the worst, or the best, political outcome...
It is up in the air, Folks...
I, for one, must believe (for the sake of my personal sanity), that we will survive this tribal, racist, and potentially, horrible outcome. I don't believe the majority of America is behind Trump, at least at this point... Rather, his base consists of a sizable minority of racists, combined with millions who were injured by the "business as usual" politics in Washington. We must face, that the Democratic "People's" party provided a status quo Wall Street bribed loser - and her gender, if anything, made it closer than it would have been.
Millions of people will be affected by Trump's victory and subsequent policies - and, so effected, they will register to vote. And since the alt-right minority always votes, and is therefore in a state of saturation, those gains will be predominantly progressive (anti Trump) and serve as a permanent firewall to the racist base who elected Trump, and the Republican Party, in general...
Voter suppression efforts aside, that is...
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Oh is the NYT continuing its smear campaign? Yawn. Nothing to see here.
The NYT staff is so out of step with American society with all but the most extreme and hateful of liberals. On the other hand, when it comes to really hateful liberal partisanship, they are leaders in the field.
The NYT staff is so out of step with American society with all but the most extreme and hateful of liberals. On the other hand, when it comes to really hateful liberal partisanship, they are leaders in the field.
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White nationalist / white supremacist / white racist are all ethnic slurs. They are racist slurs, unless they self identify as such. And some will Then feel free. But if they do not self identify? Same as the n-word. You are spewing racist slurs. This is a linguistic fact. Tread carefully.
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Yes, and a lot of extremists/racists on the left hailed the Obama victory in 2008. Many reputable sources issues astonishingly racist declarations upon Obamas victory. They commented directly on the profound significance of his black skin. I think those behaviors are reprehensible, but extremists and anti-Americans do use these tactics.
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Correction: "said Erick Erickson, disgraced conservative blogger"
NYT, how about a quote from a speaker calling for whites to rise up? Oh, there wasn't one? Correction #2: So this is a "nationalist" political movement, not a "white nationalist" political movement.
Missing: what are the core values of the alt-right? Isn't it the Tea Party values of reduced spending, limited govt, and strong defense, with some national pride mixed in?
NYT, how about a quote from a speaker calling for whites to rise up? Oh, there wasn't one? Correction #2: So this is a "nationalist" political movement, not a "white nationalist" political movement.
Missing: what are the core values of the alt-right? Isn't it the Tea Party values of reduced spending, limited govt, and strong defense, with some national pride mixed in?
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Don't forget that the Republican House and Senate, especially the leaders and the caucuses, have the power to rein in Trump and his Cabinet. They will point fingers at Trump making him responsible for the ugly hate groups but by standing by doing nothing, they are complicit.
Write your letters to McConnell and Ryan. Demand they stand up for all Americans, stand against reactionary foreign intervention, stand by allies and stand with human rights in this country.
Write your letters to McConnell and Ryan. Demand they stand up for all Americans, stand against reactionary foreign intervention, stand by allies and stand with human rights in this country.
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Maybe your only reason for voting for Trump was to "shake things up." Or you didn't want to be forced to pay for your health insurance. Or Hillary's email has affected the quality of your life.
Whatever the reason, the stuff in this article is what you're gonna get. Lots more to come, and Donald's not even in the White House yet.
Whatever the reason, the stuff in this article is what you're gonna get. Lots more to come, and Donald's not even in the White House yet.
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Lots more meetings in hotel basements?
OOOOh. I'm scared.
OOOOh. I'm scared.
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Barack Obama's victory margins:
a) In 2012 against Mitt Romney
Electoral votes (332/206)
Popular Votes (66/61 million)
b) In 2008 against John McCain
Electoral votes (365/173)
Popular Votes (69/60 million)
These so-called "White Nationalists" were nowhere to be found when Barack Obama got elected twice as POTUS...I dont recall massive demonstrations and violence in the streets (damaging public property) anywhere in America by these "White Nationalists" against electing Barack Obama.
If whites are the majority and a lot of them were so-called "racists" or "silent-racists" or whatever is the fashionable leftist term (to sandbag people and make them fall in line), Barack Obama wouldn't have stood a chance becoming POTUS or won by that landslide margins.
Instead of taking a pause and reflecting on how the standards of journalism took a deep nose-dive in the run-up to election day, NYT and other mainstream media are still in denial and throwing temper-tantrums by spewing non-sense and venom thereby instigating all sorts of violence into the minds of the American public.
Stop this non-sense, please!
P.S: The real casualty as a reader of NYT, I have to disassociate and bury one more English word, "Elite", when I think of you... And that is the real tragedy of this election...The country will be just fine...
a) In 2012 against Mitt Romney
Electoral votes (332/206)
Popular Votes (66/61 million)
b) In 2008 against John McCain
Electoral votes (365/173)
Popular Votes (69/60 million)
These so-called "White Nationalists" were nowhere to be found when Barack Obama got elected twice as POTUS...I dont recall massive demonstrations and violence in the streets (damaging public property) anywhere in America by these "White Nationalists" against electing Barack Obama.
If whites are the majority and a lot of them were so-called "racists" or "silent-racists" or whatever is the fashionable leftist term (to sandbag people and make them fall in line), Barack Obama wouldn't have stood a chance becoming POTUS or won by that landslide margins.
Instead of taking a pause and reflecting on how the standards of journalism took a deep nose-dive in the run-up to election day, NYT and other mainstream media are still in denial and throwing temper-tantrums by spewing non-sense and venom thereby instigating all sorts of violence into the minds of the American public.
Stop this non-sense, please!
P.S: The real casualty as a reader of NYT, I have to disassociate and bury one more English word, "Elite", when I think of you... And that is the real tragedy of this election...The country will be just fine...
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This is the old boys network populated by a privileged group who never needed to compete on a level playing field and who are waking up to a world that doesn't consider them superior, but rather considers how they stack up against hard working women, minorities, and immigrants, and has found them wanting. Racism is the ignorant response of a petulant pampered child, not a thinking and hard working grown up. They have found a fitting leader.
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",,,unlikely that Mr. Trump would be able to do things like end affirmative action,,,"
Yes he can.
First, President-elect Trump appoints an Alt-Right Supreme Court Justice to fill the vacancy,
Then, when SC/Justice Ginsburg retires ( she is 84 ), Trump replaces her with another right-wing SC/Justice.
He will then have the Supreme Court behind him to end Affirmative Action.
Yes he can.
First, President-elect Trump appoints an Alt-Right Supreme Court Justice to fill the vacancy,
Then, when SC/Justice Ginsburg retires ( she is 84 ), Trump replaces her with another right-wing SC/Justice.
He will then have the Supreme Court behind him to end Affirmative Action.
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Isn't the background image on their powerpoint the statue of David? The statue of David, sculpted by that infamous gay Catholic, Michelangelo Buonarroti?
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I would have liked to see such in depth study of Black Lives Matter which was advocating Death for cops "Fry 'em like bacon." Our current president actually invited BLM to the White House several times and DNC funder George Soros also provided income to the group to support civil unrest as he is now doing with the anti-Trump movement. Although Obama espouses the peaceful transfer of power he also supports the Hillary supporters being in the streets who do not respect the results of a free and fair election. This far right movement is not anything Trump has ever espoused support for and this type of reporting is why people no longer trust the main stream media.
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I once read an author who rhetorically asked if Hitler would have been satisfied in having created a totalitarian welfare state. The reality is that these sorts of movements always lead to disaster. They end in economic disappointment because they cannot deliver on their promises; blame ratchets up leading to suppressive terror of minorities or political dissidents; and the ultimate solution to these movements failure to deliver at home is war with the promise that war will restore lost greatness and redress past grievances. That's where this customarily leads.
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Call it what it is: Alt-White not alt-right.
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And how much longer before we begin to see the sanitized phrase so often used by the media regarding conflicts in other countries, and referring to the elimination of certain groups, "Ethnic Cleansing" appear in our own.
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Waiting for Bannon to come out with some questionable wordplay revolving around the 'parallels' to be drawn between ethnic cleansing and ethical cleansing. It is so easy to exploit the crass ignorance of the denizens of the heartland responsible for this affront to common decency.
Anybody who minimizes the threat posed by this madness underestimates the depth of the crisis. Woodrow Wilson's White House screening of Birth of a Nation played a very important role in reenergizing the Ku Klux Klan one hundred years ago. Make no mistake - Trump is following in Wilson's footsteps by appealing to similar elements. The KKK was only partially cleansed from American society with the practical unity of the white and black working classes in the labor upsurge that lead to the formation of the CIO in the 1930's. Organized labor has now receded as a positive social force. As Richard Rothstein of the EPI documents, the Federal government (the FHA and VA in particular) played an insidious counter-role in promoting segregation through discriminatory lending policies in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. The bottom line of racism has and always will be - divide and conquer. White workers play this fool's game at their peril.
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Liberal or conservative, black or white, if you are not afraid of these "alt-right" racists, then you are asleep.
Time to wake up, people.
Time to wake up, people.
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So when are we going to have the goosestep march going past the White House? Who would be taking the salute with arm raised? Or would Bannon stand-in for the President Elect?
Here is a litmus test for any and all Republican standing for elections any where. They should be asked point blank if they support the alt-right movement? No ambiguity allowed. Its is either yes or no. And if no, then the question is what are you going to help stop that movement. Just like Republicans are use the abortion litmus test for Supreme Court nominations, for every Republican the support or opposition in writing to alt-right must be the litmus test.
Here is a litmus test for any and all Republican standing for elections any where. They should be asked point blank if they support the alt-right movement? No ambiguity allowed. Its is either yes or no. And if no, then the question is what are you going to help stop that movement. Just like Republicans are use the abortion litmus test for Supreme Court nominations, for every Republican the support or opposition in writing to alt-right must be the litmus test.
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I am rather confused about the coherence of Trump's ideology. On the one hand he accepts the services of the rabid anti-Semite Steve Bannon, whilst 'tolerating' his daughter's conversion to Orthodox Judaism during the occasion of her marriage to Jared Kushner. Wonder how the Ku Klux Klan is going to tolerate this twisted state of affairs.....
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If you haven't yet watched "The Man in the High Castle", I strongly recommend you do. It's a startlingly accurate portrayal of what America might soon become.
It would also be wise to keep tabs on Newt Gingrich, who is actively pursuing a renewed House on UnAmerican Activities Committee. If adopted, it won't be long before our government is trolling our social media pages, emails and phone calls to see who has connections to Muslims.
It would also be wise to keep tabs on Newt Gingrich, who is actively pursuing a renewed House on UnAmerican Activities Committee. If adopted, it won't be long before our government is trolling our social media pages, emails and phone calls to see who has connections to Muslims.
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I suppose that I am already 'tainted' according to their standards. Nearly half of my apartment building's neighbours are of North African origin. The horror, the horror!
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ABullard: Racism. sexism, and so on, would not have defeated any Democrat except one who also abandoned the poor and the middle class in favor of the 1% Of course you do not exclude any issues. But the margin of victory came from having a Democratic candidate who was a friend of Wall Street and admitted to being 2-faced. How much was HRC's emphasis on sexism and racism and temperament a way of avoiding being honest about the biggest issue, economic justice? Otherwise, Clinton could have attacked Trump on his history as just another ruthless businessman, just another billionaire out to milk Americans. HRC could not do much of that without offending her very wealthy supporters.
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700+ comments and Trump is busy tweeting about Saturday Night Live.
Seriously.
SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE.
If this weren't so serious, I'd be laughing my head off.
Seriously.
SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE.
If this weren't so serious, I'd be laughing my head off.
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Do you have any idea how many meetings happen in hotel ballrooms on any given day in this country?
What makes you think Trump had any idea this was going on?
What makes you think Trump had any idea this was going on?
There's no reason to think that Trump didn't know this was going on.
They're all part of the same Klan.
They're all part of the same Klan.
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On the positive note: even Pax Romana lasted only about 200 years and it was a considerably larger part of the civilized world than the USA.
Wow, hundreds of members of an extremist group meet. Actually, about 250 of them. The U.S. population is 324,963,204, according to census.gov. So that's .00000007 of the U.S. population.
You're reporting on this extremely insignificant demonstration only to promote your narrative.
I could point you to fifty things that are happening in our country that are more important than this demonstration, but you aren't reporting on those events because they don't fit the narrative.
And that is what we should expect from the liberal press for the next four or eight years. Unimportant events will be blown up out of proportion for no better reason than to discredit and impede the president elected by the American people.
And with typical liberal self-regard, you will think that you are doing something virtuous by distorting the news in this way.
Elsewhere in the paper, you report about people who are upset and worried about President-elect Trump. So you must think that it's a good idea to get them even more upset and worried, for no good reason, rather than painting an accurate picture of our country, which might allay their fears.
You're reporting on this extremely insignificant demonstration only to promote your narrative.
I could point you to fifty things that are happening in our country that are more important than this demonstration, but you aren't reporting on those events because they don't fit the narrative.
And that is what we should expect from the liberal press for the next four or eight years. Unimportant events will be blown up out of proportion for no better reason than to discredit and impede the president elected by the American people.
And with typical liberal self-regard, you will think that you are doing something virtuous by distorting the news in this way.
Elsewhere in the paper, you report about people who are upset and worried about President-elect Trump. So you must think that it's a good idea to get them even more upset and worried, for no good reason, rather than painting an accurate picture of our country, which might allay their fears.
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What is important is that, before this election season, these people would have known they had to hide their activities to avoid the righteous condemnation of the other 99.9999999+ other citizens (or at least the majority of them). Now, they are celebrating. That is worth reporting, although as you suggest, it does rattle people far beyond its practical significance.
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I just this moment left the Southern Poverty Law Center site.
There are 998 groups on its watch list: Klan, skinheads, Christian Nation, White Power, what have you.
Those are just the formally organized ones.
Lotsa free range whacks round out the picture.
Actually, given the drivel that the Times has off-loaded on us this past year or two, I wouldn't have any problem if the Times spotlighted one every day.
That's the duty of any newspaper: to inform its readers.
How about it, Times?
One a day.....?
There are 998 groups on its watch list: Klan, skinheads, Christian Nation, White Power, what have you.
Those are just the formally organized ones.
Lotsa free range whacks round out the picture.
Actually, given the drivel that the Times has off-loaded on us this past year or two, I wouldn't have any problem if the Times spotlighted one every day.
That's the duty of any newspaper: to inform its readers.
How about it, Times?
One a day.....?
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@rosa
Thank you. I've been posting all throughout this thread that now is the time to support the ACLU, and report all hate crimes to the Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splc.org)
Thank you. I've been posting all throughout this thread that now is the time to support the ACLU, and report all hate crimes to the Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splc.org)
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The only way that Trump is going to speak out agains these white nationalist groups is if they go to a Broadway play and boo Mike Pence. I'm not even joking.
This is scary people. This is not a time to give Trump a chance. For months he's done everything to encourage racists worldwide and nothing to assure minorities that he'll treat them with respect.
We need to stand up to these bigots. The more chance we give Trump, the more power we give Trump and the more power we give Trump the more power white nationalist groups get.
Democrats shouldn't be offering to help a bigot build a bridge when he's also building a wall.
This is scary people. This is not a time to give Trump a chance. For months he's done everything to encourage racists worldwide and nothing to assure minorities that he'll treat them with respect.
We need to stand up to these bigots. The more chance we give Trump, the more power we give Trump and the more power we give Trump the more power white nationalist groups get.
Democrats shouldn't be offering to help a bigot build a bridge when he's also building a wall.
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Is this what the Republican Party had in mind when they envisioned turning themselves into the "big tent" party? Is it possible to open the doors to minorities when their bunk mates are people that wish they would go away? How do you balance these views and perspectives? You don't.
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The "The rise of populism and the decline of political correctness"?
Political correctness?
Do you mean not using racial slurs to describe people?
Do you mean not saying that all Muslims are terrorists?
All this movement is white racists feeling like they can come out of the closet, thanks to their newly elected president.
No thanks.
Most Americans will not put up with this.
Political correctness?
Do you mean not using racial slurs to describe people?
Do you mean not saying that all Muslims are terrorists?
All this movement is white racists feeling like they can come out of the closet, thanks to their newly elected president.
No thanks.
Most Americans will not put up with this.
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We need to start fund-raising to send these freaks back to Europe, and I say this as a white guy. Let them start a homeland in the homeland, and leave us alone in our wonderful diversity.
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The democratic party, and especially people like Hillary Clinton, whose cynical embrace of identity politics and reflexive attacks on anyone who presented an opposing viewpoint (including Bernie Sanders) as racist and bigoted brought this scourge upon themselves, and upon the nation.
Incredibly, the New York Times devotes article after article to smear Steve Bannon as an anti-Semite without citing a single piece of evidence, or admitting that the ADL has since admitted that no solid evidence exists. The NYT also fails to highlight Bannon's defense by the US ambassador to Israel, Ron Dermer, as well as prominent Jewish figures like Alan Dershowitz, a democrat and Hillary Clinton supporter.
Has the NYT devoted more energy to Trump's limited knowledge of the world and even more limited vocabulary, rather than chanting "racist, bigot" in a manner evocative of "four legs good, two legs bad" perhaps we'd have a different president elect right now.
Incredibly, the New York Times devotes article after article to smear Steve Bannon as an anti-Semite without citing a single piece of evidence, or admitting that the ADL has since admitted that no solid evidence exists. The NYT also fails to highlight Bannon's defense by the US ambassador to Israel, Ron Dermer, as well as prominent Jewish figures like Alan Dershowitz, a democrat and Hillary Clinton supporter.
Has the NYT devoted more energy to Trump's limited knowledge of the world and even more limited vocabulary, rather than chanting "racist, bigot" in a manner evocative of "four legs good, two legs bad" perhaps we'd have a different president elect right now.
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I'm pretty sure this letter is part of the if you tell a lie big enough and long enough and loud enough, someone will believe it. I am paraphrasing of course, but I have read Brietbart....of yes he's an antisemite AND a bigot AND a misognist. Yes siree, Bannon is the trifecta
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You can't reason with these people.
These are people who claim to be Christian, but scapegoat the poor, sick, and hungry.
These are people who claim to be intellectually superior, but deny science, oppose education, ignore history, and reject facts.
These are people who claim to be pro-life, but support every war, assault weapons, and the death penalty.
These are people who claim "family values," but vote for a thrice married philanderer with a history of sexual assault.
These are people who claim they support accountability, but vote for a draft-dodging quadruple bankrupted deadbeat.
These are people who claim to be freedom fighters, but suppress the vote.
These are people who claim minorities are taking their jobs, but vote for the white male profiteers who shipped them away.
These are people who complain about the debt, but vote for billionaires who never pay taxes.
These are people who claim to hate big government, but want the government to regulate other people's life choices.
These are people who fear Sharia Law, but advocate prayer in public schools.
These are people who complain about the biased mainstream media, then tune into FOX.
These are people who love the Constitution, but call those exercising their rights to free speech and assembly anarchists...
These are people who oppose government social programs, but scream, "Keep your hands off my Medicare!"
These are people who claim to love America, but hate more than half of the people who live here.
These are people who claim to be Christian, but scapegoat the poor, sick, and hungry.
These are people who claim to be intellectually superior, but deny science, oppose education, ignore history, and reject facts.
These are people who claim to be pro-life, but support every war, assault weapons, and the death penalty.
These are people who claim "family values," but vote for a thrice married philanderer with a history of sexual assault.
These are people who claim they support accountability, but vote for a draft-dodging quadruple bankrupted deadbeat.
These are people who claim to be freedom fighters, but suppress the vote.
These are people who claim minorities are taking their jobs, but vote for the white male profiteers who shipped them away.
These are people who complain about the debt, but vote for billionaires who never pay taxes.
These are people who claim to hate big government, but want the government to regulate other people's life choices.
These are people who fear Sharia Law, but advocate prayer in public schools.
These are people who complain about the biased mainstream media, then tune into FOX.
These are people who love the Constitution, but call those exercising their rights to free speech and assembly anarchists...
These are people who oppose government social programs, but scream, "Keep your hands off my Medicare!"
These are people who claim to love America, but hate more than half of the people who live here.
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WOW, Tom! That's almost poetry!
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Perfectly stated.
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In short, these are the people in the "Basket of Deplorables".
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Why are these white supremacist hate groups not seen as domestic terrorists? My god! They ARE terrorists.
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Now that ugly America has gained a foothold and the ugly American has ascended, these people are coming out of the woodwork. That's good because now America can face the inner rot and work collectively to achieve it's noble goals and dreams. These people only dream of their selfish, self centered, hateful existences. Now they can spew their hate and rottenness in open forum and a real national dialogue can begin. With courage, we can all make America stronger and embrace the noble goals and dreams of real leaders like Abraham Lincoln and Barack Obama. White racists indeed.
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I thought we won World War II.
Wasn't White (Nationalism) Supremacy defeated?
Wasn't White (Nationalism) Supremacy defeated?
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Not in this country.
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I wonder if they realize that the statue of David projected on the screen was made by the magnificently gay Michelangelo, who would've considered their racial purity themes bizarre, immoral, detestably trivial in light of human endeavor and divine inquiry.
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I wasn't aware that you spoke for Michaelangelo. Please, enlighten us further on his thoughts and feelings.
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You need to give more specifics of exactly what these horrible people stand for. I had to read the Chicago Tribune to learn they favor a 50 year ban on immigration and Apartheid in America (i.e. communities composed of online ethnicity).
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They want to create a white state here via ethnic cleansing.
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I am counting on the NY Times and other media of conscience to disregard "alt-right" lables and instead name the Name. Use the Name of what this is in your stories. History tells us what the Name is. History tells what those named have done and are in support of. And the Name is fascism, racism, and white supremacy. This is not hyperbole. History is our proof.
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I am dismayed that this group is not being called what they are. They are not 'white nationalists'. Why sanitise it NYT's? Why normalise it? They are antisemitic white supremacists.
Call them out for what they are, a hate group. Please do not give them a shred of respectability.
Call them out for what they are, a hate group. Please do not give them a shred of respectability.
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The Alt-Right is an offshoot of the Republican Party. Their ugly rhetorics and decades of racially motivated politics brought them to fruition.
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They are not "white nationalists". They do not care about this nation. They are "white supremacists and racists". Stop being polite. Stop normalizing their horrible ideas and behaviors. How many hate crimes does it take for The Times to call them what they are?
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I doubt that any deep thought goes into the choice of those who picked Trump. These folks bought a brand name not a political leader.
Trump ran on the same rhetoric that drug companies use to sell pills. The commercials for pharma give you twenty seconds of how the drug makes your life better. This is followed by fourthy seconds of adverse affects. Trump will bring back jobs but by the way affirmative action is out so only the pale male will be qualified.
Trump ran on the same rhetoric that drug companies use to sell pills. The commercials for pharma give you twenty seconds of how the drug makes your life better. This is followed by fourthy seconds of adverse affects. Trump will bring back jobs but by the way affirmative action is out so only the pale male will be qualified.
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I will never understand why these folks believe that being civil when talking to or about people of other-than-white ethnic or religious groups is a violation of their free speech. Trump got only 47% of the vote. He's what I call a 'loser president' like GW Bush. Loser presidents always claim a great mandate from "the American people" ... and we know exactly who Trump means when he uses that phrase.
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Hillary didn't get more than 50% of the vote. Neither did her husband - either time. The difference is that her husband has charisma. And his campaign staff understood that the outcome of the election is, and always been, determined by the electoral college.
She still received the majority of casted votes. Parsing the meaning doesn't matter because it sends a message to congress and the general public when a president elect wins without the popular vote. Same with a mandate, it's a message and affirmation to a candidate to push an agenda.
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White nationalists (racists,bigots,etc.) celebrating an "Awakening" looks like an oxymoron to me. It's amazing what false conclusions can be exhumed from the defeat of Hillary Clinton, which more accurately reflected the buying and selling of the DNC and their miserable judgment in inserting Hillary Clinton and her ocean liner of baggage into a national election.
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While Hillary was the only choice to vote for, I agree that the Democrats made a mistake in awarding the nomination to Hillary. There are a lot of good things about Hillary and she has many virtues, but she is not a leader on the scale that is called for to be President of the United States and she showed that during the campaign. Her staff was weak and they did not take on the big bully. Maybe there was some lame argument about taking the high road, but that would have been nonsense. Trump attacked Hillary constantly and she did not strike back, not in a way that convinced anybody. Now we have a moral reprobate and bully as President. He will most likely set back American culture for decades. On the other hand, maybe this threat to American culture will waken the American people and the Democratic party to what is really going on in America, who we really are, and how to move forward to build a positive, moral culture.
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If you are ever able to get past the right-wing news you appear to be getting your information from -- you might find that Trump also has some rather monumental baggage of his own.
Start here:
nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/ap-us-trump-foundation-investigation.html
Start here:
nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/ap-us-trump-foundation-investigation.html
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@Ralph
You seem to forget that Clinton came out with over 1+million more popular votes than Trump -- in the real world, that means a win.
However in this case, the Electoral College is the deciding factor in the Trump outcome.
You seem to forget that Clinton came out with over 1+million more popular votes than Trump -- in the real world, that means a win.
However in this case, the Electoral College is the deciding factor in the Trump outcome.
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Jenny Mann responds: Fearful white men. Awake! Aw. Jesus wept.
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So that picture is from a tweet that you can see on the LAT website. The reason it's panned in here is because the room is essentially empty. Like all these groups, they are tiny, unsupported and unaccepted by the vast, vast majority. Any surge in attention they get is likely a reaction to the media giving credence and acceptance to the leftist groups that have regularly touted their anit-white views while they commit violent and destructive acts all over the country for years. A pox on both!
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Actually I think it's more people than we realize. Some are out and active and others secretly agree. Amazing since these folks' ancestors were immigrants also.
Thanks to the NYT for the article. We should not be lulled into a sense of false security or complacency just because this is currently a small group. When the majority are silent, a vocal minority can have a great impact. Witness the small number of Bolsheviks, Fascists or Nazis who got the ball rolling. It takes hard work to protect the America we love, and show that racism, misogyny, homophobia, anti-semitism and other hatred are not to be tolerated.
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Sadly, many good Americans do not realize that "it takes hard work." But, it does require involvement, work and passion to keep America great. America is great and Trump is going to diminish it, but that is because good Americans grew complacent.
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How dare you paint with such a broad brush. I voted for Trump. I am not a racisit or any of the other buzz words that you use. Why do you have such hatred in your heart? That is not very American.
Why did you vote for a man who has hatred in his heart?
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WE must all fight these racist/fascists from the jump. Do something everyday to counteract this pathogen on a once great country.
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Support the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and report all hate crimes to The Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splc.org )
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Please do not perpetuate the use of the phrase "alt right." It masks the true nature of the group and its core ideology. Please refer to this as the "white supremacist movement."
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Absolutely. The Times has been normalizing these groups. That is not right, nor is it journalistically ethical.
Minorities are not the only ones being attacked now across the country and globally. Women too. You might look into the secret Pantsuit Nation FB group, where women and minorities have gone in the millions to report their experiences without fear of trolls. As this is a secret group, you would need to talk to organizers to get permission to see or re-print stories there. Shocking.
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Haven't you been reading the stories about fake news sites like that?
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Aren't they white separatists? The nation is ethnically and religiously diverse, and it was intended that way from the beginning. Buy an island, separatists.
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If Trump has Bigot Bannon at his left hand and Orthodox Jew Kushner at his right hand, why did no reporter ask Spencer how the alt-right mind can reconcile what seems to be a zero-sum outcome for their cause.
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The NY Times continues to "make nice" with destructive forces in our country. Of course, the rich white folks pretending to be reporters at this newspaper will never suffer from their silliness. The rest of us will be harmed by these forces AND by the attempt to make them seem "normal." We are at risk to lose jobs, pensions, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, private health insurance incorporating Obamacare standards, freedom of speech, freedom from persecution for race, religion, gender orientation, or age, our right to vote, our right to a fair trial, and our right to protect the planet for future generations.
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So let's hear more about "ways to reorient America's demographics." I can't put my finger on why, but the phrase makes me think of ethnic cleansing.
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So for those who continue to insist that Steve Bannon is simply misunderstood and that Breitbart is nothing more than a platform for diverse discussion not covered in the main stream media, ask yourself this question; what is it about Trump, his policies and his views that would cause people like David Duke a former Klansman and ardent racist, along with others who are calling for a "white ethno-state" to rally around Trump and his team?
Obviously these extremist elements feel they have a kindred spirit in Trump which is precisely the problem and who so many are deeply concerned about the direction this country is about to take.
Obviously these extremist elements feel they have a kindred spirit in Trump which is precisely the problem and who so many are deeply concerned about the direction this country is about to take.
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How is it that Whites are criticized for expressing their pride? The Blacks have the NAACP, the Jews have their Anti-Defamation League, Asians have their Asian American Civil Rights Organization, Native Americans have the American Indian Movement and the Native American Rights Fund, and yet Whites are criticized for organizing.
Experts state that before 2050, American Whites will be a minority. Is that what it takes for a White Nationalist Organization to be politically correct? It is this hypocrisy that divides our nation, not the politicians.
Experts state that before 2050, American Whites will be a minority. Is that what it takes for a White Nationalist Organization to be politically correct? It is this hypocrisy that divides our nation, not the politicians.
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The NAACP is for all of us, as is the Anti-Defamation League and other groups you mention. These are not separatist groups. They welcome everyone. I just renewed my NAACP membership and you can see from my picture that I am not black. White people come in all shades. You are on the wrong side of history. It's a question of human decency, sir, not ethnic pride. Save your pride for a genuine accomplishment, not an accident of birth.
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So-called pride resulting from an accident of birth is completely ridiculous, a centuries-old societal construct which needs to be relegated to the trash dump of history. Who cares where you are from or what color your skin is? It doesn't matter. Be proud of accomplishments. Be a good person to those less fortunate. Anything else is egotism, fantasy, and bluster. We've had enough of that already.
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One can express pride without excluding others or claiming a false claim of superiority. Clearly these alt-not right knuckleheads and you don't understand the difference.
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GWAR was right: America Must Be Destroyed! Trump's voters are just the people to do it.
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Stop calling them white nationalists. Call them what they are: white supremacists. Then bust them.
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We folks that are in the cross hairs NEED to get together very quickly. Stronger together. So if you are:
Black
Muslim
Hispanic
Jewish
LGBTQ
Atheist
Asian
Politically progressive
They are coming for you. They are coming for us. I don't like writing this, but they are making it abundantly clear. When Trump said "“I would tell them don’t be afraid” that very clearly means we need to be afraid. Classic Trump to signal his hand and try to deflect: "I think it’s built up by the press because, frankly, they’ll take every single little incident that they can find in this country, which could’ve been there before.” No matter what he says the opposite is the truth. Hillary is crooked, means he is crooked, save healthcare means get rid of it, lower your taxes means raise them if you are middles class and poorer. "you're the puppet" means he's the puppet. A very clearly dangerous puppet.
Black
Muslim
Hispanic
Jewish
LGBTQ
Atheist
Asian
Politically progressive
They are coming for you. They are coming for us. I don't like writing this, but they are making it abundantly clear. When Trump said "“I would tell them don’t be afraid” that very clearly means we need to be afraid. Classic Trump to signal his hand and try to deflect: "I think it’s built up by the press because, frankly, they’ll take every single little incident that they can find in this country, which could’ve been there before.” No matter what he says the opposite is the truth. Hillary is crooked, means he is crooked, save healthcare means get rid of it, lower your taxes means raise them if you are middles class and poorer. "you're the puppet" means he's the puppet. A very clearly dangerous puppet.
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M - "They are coming for you. They are coming for us."
No "they" are not!
No "they" are not!
Don't forget women.
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Yeah, Tired, read the comments here. They are.
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Good for the cast of "Hamilton." If more Germans had protested Hitler
the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.
the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.
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Godwin's Law...was waiting for that.
Sorry. You're wrong. Protesting against Hitler wasn't as simple as you seem to think.
I know. I have relatives who lived through it.
May I suggest you take a look at: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer.
It's not easy reading, but it's brilliant.
I know. I have relatives who lived through it.
May I suggest you take a look at: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer.
It's not easy reading, but it's brilliant.
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Probably because the comparisons are tragically apt. It's easy, and intellectually smug, to forget how the Nazi's began: nationalism, fear-mongering, xenophobia, Aryan "pride": "We shall clean the motherland and make her great again!"
Had the German people spoken up - loudly and often - Hitler might well have been denied his place in history. As it was, there were enough Germans who, often secretly, approved of his pathological ravings and embraced them. A comment isn't hyperbole when a nation is at risk, no matter how much you and Mike Godwin might want us to believe it.
Had the German people spoken up - loudly and often - Hitler might well have been denied his place in history. As it was, there were enough Germans who, often secretly, approved of his pathological ravings and embraced them. A comment isn't hyperbole when a nation is at risk, no matter how much you and Mike Godwin might want us to believe it.
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Nonsense!! I'm a Libertarian...not racist at all...voted for Trump because of the economy and that racket Obamacare, and foreign policy...so these worthless white supremacists can forget all that...as that is not why most of us voted for Trump. I am white, and male.
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"I am white and male." Which is why you won't have the slightest concern when some of your darker neighbors are rounded up and sent to internment camps in the next four years.
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There are only 716 days until the 2018, mid-term elections. Anyone upset by the alt-right activity should get busy now. Donate or volunteer; subscribe to a fact based new source.
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I'm sure Trump would weigh in on this but he's a bit distracted by his Twitter feuds with actors from "Hamilton" and SNL.
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The care and feeding of the working class of the ethnic majority of a democracy would seem to be critical. Multiculturalism is just whistling past the abattoir of identity politics writ large.
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Every white supremacist I've ever met has been a living argument for racial equality.
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Jon Stewart, the former host of “The Daily Show,” warned against stereotyping Donald Trump voters, which he said was unfair and hypocritical.
Stewart, who last year quit the Comedy Central show after 16 years, offered his first commentary on the results of the U.S. election last week in an interview aired Thursday on CBS.
“In the liberal community, you hate this idea of creating people as a monolith: ‘Don’t look at Muslims as a monolith. They are individuals. It would be ignorance,’” Stewart said. “But everybody who voted for Trump is a monolith, is a racist. That hypocrisy is also real.”
Stewart, who at a standup performance just before the election said Trump had called him out on Twitter in 2013 for being a Jew, told CBS that he “thought Donald Trump disqualified himself at numerous points, but there’s now this idea that anyone who voted for him has to be defined by the worst of his rhetoric.”
Jon Stewart is a very smart and good man who should be listened to. What this election taught me is that my Party (no longer) are as bad as the GOP and I am very grateful to Donald Trump for wrecking both the RNC AND the DNC. These Oligarch insiders are interested in pushing agenda's rather than doing the real work of journalism ('Hillary at 91% chance of winning! 2 days before defeat'; NYT, UK Guardian MSNBC).
According to my former comrades EVERYONE (White men, Women, Millenials, FBI, wikileaks, lazy colored folk, Putin, the media; was to blame except for the DNC and Hillary!!!
Stewart, who last year quit the Comedy Central show after 16 years, offered his first commentary on the results of the U.S. election last week in an interview aired Thursday on CBS.
“In the liberal community, you hate this idea of creating people as a monolith: ‘Don’t look at Muslims as a monolith. They are individuals. It would be ignorance,’” Stewart said. “But everybody who voted for Trump is a monolith, is a racist. That hypocrisy is also real.”
Stewart, who at a standup performance just before the election said Trump had called him out on Twitter in 2013 for being a Jew, told CBS that he “thought Donald Trump disqualified himself at numerous points, but there’s now this idea that anyone who voted for him has to be defined by the worst of his rhetoric.”
Jon Stewart is a very smart and good man who should be listened to. What this election taught me is that my Party (no longer) are as bad as the GOP and I am very grateful to Donald Trump for wrecking both the RNC AND the DNC. These Oligarch insiders are interested in pushing agenda's rather than doing the real work of journalism ('Hillary at 91% chance of winning! 2 days before defeat'; NYT, UK Guardian MSNBC).
According to my former comrades EVERYONE (White men, Women, Millenials, FBI, wikileaks, lazy colored folk, Putin, the media; was to blame except for the DNC and Hillary!!!
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It is deplorable. His words and deeds provided the platform and now he wants Hamilton to apologize? His cabinet is seeping with white supremacy and he expects no protest? Those days are gone. Some of us know full well the history of the white power platform. Our blood is in the streets and earth of this nation because of it. Well the playing field is different now. We have rights and colleagues who know about justice for all. Silence is not an option. I believe the doubters will be come to realize that moving forward is THE only option. We have been there and done that and aren't going back there.
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I wonder how many of these white nationalists, faced with a life or death choice like needing an organ transplant or blood transfusion, would refuse the life saving choice because the donor was not white. Any bets?
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Dear Deb,
I couldn't say, but I'd hope all of them would refuse such life-saving medical procedures. And improve the world thereby, slightly.
I couldn't say, but I'd hope all of them would refuse such life-saving medical procedures. And improve the world thereby, slightly.
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Hopefully all of them.
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Unless our antiquated political system, like the noisy 120 decibel elevated CTA rail platforms in downtown Chicago, is replaced by a system giving the right to the people to choose fairly their representatives and leaders we will go through many unpleasant situations as we experience now. I do not know how this can be achieved. But being politically active, instead of being politically lazy is perhaps a good start for all of us.
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Strange bedfellows, the alt right, "new improved" name for white supremacists, (Bannon...Sessions) the Christian right (Mike Pense) and Trump, along with now that he has won the Republican elites: the money, what a cauldron of disaster for our country and the world......where was the media...oh yeah, the ratings mattered more than the truth (what truth, that hasn't mattered for a very long time, mainstream media is owned by corporations that have major interest in what we here) This election was the dawn of the oligarch's, now they have outward and notorious power!
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So Erick Erickson thinks (is that what it is called?) that the white nationalists will not appeal to Republicans. Maybe he is too obtuse to see for himself but that train has left the station. Our neo confederate Attorney General to be, Trump's no 1 advisor, and a national security advisor who can only see Islam as terrorism and all Muslims as terrorists are all babies of the racist right which has totally captured the Republican Party. These guys have a right to act gleeful; their real leader is the despicable con artist and thief our electoral college system is choosing.
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At some point, demographic reality will set in and these extremist groups will see their dreams of a white "ethno-state" and a return to "White Power" crash and burn. The majority of babies are now minorities and, in just 3 years, the majority of children will be nonwhite. Asians are projected to overtake Hispanics as the largest group of immigrants -- not Europeans-- and African-Americans and Native Americans aren't going anywhere.
Taking the long view, this white nationalist "renaissance" is nothing more than the last dying gasps of White Supremacy. This nation will survive the next few years of Republican rule and, to the extent necessary, rebuild. A nation of color will not be tyrannized by a fringe group of nut jobs.
Taking the long view, this white nationalist "renaissance" is nothing more than the last dying gasps of White Supremacy. This nation will survive the next few years of Republican rule and, to the extent necessary, rebuild. A nation of color will not be tyrannized by a fringe group of nut jobs.
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A nation of color? I suspect you don't include white in that imagery (though ironically, white contains all colors). Your post is huge part of the anger, in that it seems to push white people aside, saying they don't matter anymore. It's exactly what the Republicans are saying to the Dems -- and how is that working out? This boundary-ridden, color-driven language/pov is the heart of the problem. How about we all go back to melting pot vs special interests? Not ideal but better than this.
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Asians and quite probably Hispanics will be adopted by whites, just as Southern Europeans, Jews, Catholics, and the Irish were.
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I'd like to make use of this group of bigots' own racially-focused terms to state clearly:
As a white person, these white people do not represent or define me. They are an embarrassment to whites and shame us by acting horribly. If anyone has had the most impact on white people's ability to be "proud of being white", it is themselves. They are the ones giving white people a bad name by associating whiteness with meanness and bigotry, things that no race can be proud of.
They also don't deserve the title "nationalists." They do not represent the nation and they are an embarrassment to it. "White nationalist" is a cloaking term. They are white supremacists, which speaks to their insecurity. If they want to feel any self respect about being white, they may start by recognizing the power their skin color already gives them in our nation, not to mention their inherent power as human beings, and start behaving kindly and treating everyone with respect, kindness, humility and dignity. They might find a natural sense of pride arises by doing so.
Finally, they are dishonest. If all they want is to be left alone and not be judged, they can practice what they preach and leave others alone without judgment. Get into a like minded community, and stay there to pursue their life liberty and happiness. It works for the Amish. They're white. But unlike these people the Amish are kind and have a long history of minding their own business and not hurting anybody.
As a white person, these white people do not represent or define me. They are an embarrassment to whites and shame us by acting horribly. If anyone has had the most impact on white people's ability to be "proud of being white", it is themselves. They are the ones giving white people a bad name by associating whiteness with meanness and bigotry, things that no race can be proud of.
They also don't deserve the title "nationalists." They do not represent the nation and they are an embarrassment to it. "White nationalist" is a cloaking term. They are white supremacists, which speaks to their insecurity. If they want to feel any self respect about being white, they may start by recognizing the power their skin color already gives them in our nation, not to mention their inherent power as human beings, and start behaving kindly and treating everyone with respect, kindness, humility and dignity. They might find a natural sense of pride arises by doing so.
Finally, they are dishonest. If all they want is to be left alone and not be judged, they can practice what they preach and leave others alone without judgment. Get into a like minded community, and stay there to pursue their life liberty and happiness. It works for the Amish. They're white. But unlike these people the Amish are kind and have a long history of minding their own business and not hurting anybody.
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This is disgusting. The millions of immigrants who passed through Ellis Island during the 19 and 20th centuries would be disgusted despite their skin color. We have lets the wars with the middle east and our stereotypes of African American people most often due to their financial struggles and difficult situations of living cloud our idea of a prosperous nation. This is the ridiculous ideology that our nation is supposed to primarily white and run white white men. These people are backwards and stuck in the annals of history, convoluted religious idealism and uneducated, untolerating bias caused but the parents they were raised by. This is NOT what America is supposed to be. The dream and purpose of America is NOT a white nationalist country. Get that through your heads. You stole this country from the Native Americans, slaughtering and relocating them all until the land was yours. You now have millions of people of vast ethnicities just trying to live a life here with equal rights, equal respect and dignity and the white nationalists see that as a threat to their country. Disgusting. This ridiculous realism of a white christian country (jesus was not white by the way) is just extreme fanaticism and some false sense of entitlement. Have you ever head the song "this land is your land"? Give it a shot...... THAT is America, not this extreme idealism. Stop teaching your kids white nationalism. It is toxic.
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They can huff and puff all they want, decent people will stand against them shoulder to shoulder. The protests have only just begun. And if you notice, white Americans make up a large part of the protesters.
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"A recent surge in hate crimes and reports of verbal and physical assaults on minorities are putting new pressure on groups that promote racism."
What kind of "pressure" would that be, exactly? The need for more phone operators to accept new recruits? I don't think the authors understand the mindset of white supremacists. It's not "any publicity is good publicity." It's worse. It's "any assault is a demonstration of the resurgence of white power."
What kind of "pressure" would that be, exactly? The need for more phone operators to accept new recruits? I don't think the authors understand the mindset of white supremacists. It's not "any publicity is good publicity." It's worse. It's "any assault is a demonstration of the resurgence of white power."
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This, and the fact that the Tea Party is now calling themselves "the ground troops" to execute on the new agenda should be a clear warning to us all. These people are truly evil and they must be stopped by any means necessary. The media must question Trump and his minions directly and force them them answer why they're siding with evil. We have to stand together and resist forcefully if necessary to prevent these people from taking over our country.
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To me, the interesting thing is this: has Trump condemned any of this? As white supremacist organizations celebrate in his name, has he denounced them? As the KKK marches in the streets, has he done anything to condemn their actions and beliefs? If so, I've completely missed it. He has said that his supporters should stop attacking people, but he has seemed to happily embrace the support of "white nationalists" without any qualms whatsoever.
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Hillary Clinton now has 1.5 MILLION more votes than Trump and the counting isn't finished. We, the People, have been cheated by an archaic system. It is unconscionable. The world's greatest Democracy is a sham.
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Supporters of Trumpism claiming they're not racist or bigoted (usually after making a racist/bigoted statement followed by 'but'), you might try to convince yourselves that you didn't vote for this, but since you bought it, you own all of it. Thankfully, these folks are self-identifying themselves for the rest of us.
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Both sides have racist, anti-American extremists on their fringes. Obama owns some and Trump owns some. It is laughable to suggest the middle voters who decide the election have any relationship to extremists. The swing voters are the furthest possible from extremism.
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nice attempt, BUT...nope. This is on them...so many enablers
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Security agencies and the contractors that they employ are lousy with white supremacists. What could go wrong.
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I would like the state and local police organizations, Obama, the FBI, and all who currently are paid by the people and represent our protection to answer to this situation. WE REQUIRE A GUARANTEE OF PROTECTION.
When will Republicans realize that their decades of using and stoking racism for political advantage has poisoned our society and led to rise of Trump?
Will they realize that the consequences of paving the way for Trump will go far beyond domestic unrest and violence?
With the election of Donald Trump, the U.S. has has forfeited its unofficial position as the leader of the free world...although you don't see any of the U.S. main stream media recognizing it. We're a banana republic now. We're a laughing stock. We have no moral authority (of what little remained after we invaded Iraq and unwittingly made way for the Islamic Caliphate to come back to life). We're a Russian-style kleptocracy, with crooks, incompetents and extremists in charge...with access to a massive wire-tapping apparatus, and access to a massive nuclear arsenal.
We are a danger to the world.
Will they realize that the consequences of paving the way for Trump will go far beyond domestic unrest and violence?
With the election of Donald Trump, the U.S. has has forfeited its unofficial position as the leader of the free world...although you don't see any of the U.S. main stream media recognizing it. We're a banana republic now. We're a laughing stock. We have no moral authority (of what little remained after we invaded Iraq and unwittingly made way for the Islamic Caliphate to come back to life). We're a Russian-style kleptocracy, with crooks, incompetents and extremists in charge...with access to a massive wire-tapping apparatus, and access to a massive nuclear arsenal.
We are a danger to the world.
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"When will Republicans realize... ?" That's been the plan all along. They're fine with it.
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Most people have seen that motivational poster that says "What would you do if you knew you could not fail?"
The Republicans have a new poster that says "What would you do if you knew you could not lose (the next election)?"
Frightening.
The Republicans have a new poster that says "What would you do if you knew you could not lose (the next election)?"
Frightening.
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Steve Bannon says he's not a white nationalist, but an economic nationalist who supports a $1 trillion public works program. He also says "dark is good," as a political tactic, referencing Darth Vader. He's got a fairly empty-headed puppet he can work with. ("No puppet. No puppet.") Sounds like national socialism to me.
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I have noticed in my 73 years that the people who identify as white supremacists generally tend to be weak, out of shape losers who can't adapt to the inevitable changes of a modern society. As a white man, I'm often disappointed and embarrassed by people claiming without any evidence to be superior to anyone else. Race has nothing to do with standing in a meritocracy.
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It seems that Trumpism can be understood as a movement that seeks social prosperity and security through tribalism and xenophobia. But it has not been clear to me whether this tribalism and xenophobia can be described as "white nationalism." However, given Mr. Trump's appointments to his administration, the truth of this description seems increasingly likely.
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I wish these people would crawl back under the rocks they came out from under!
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If they did that, they would only rot and fester. Better that they've been exposed to the light of day, so that we can engage them directly.
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Chicken piccata? But that's Italian, invented by immigrants.
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Maybe they will demand Donald Trump be added to the carvings in Stone Mountain, Georgia. Maybe they didn't realize that the title of the new movie "Birth of a Nation" was ironic. Yikes!
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Not. Great.
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Here we go. The script has already been written, in 1924. Next step, the Sturmabteilung.
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Trump represents perfectly all the things about America that the rest of the world hates: the arrogance, the self-importance, the worship of material wealth, the me-firstism, the crass, tasteless, ornamental life-style, the boorishness and ignorance. The fact that millions of Americans fell for this dangerous, despotic con artist may foreshadow the ultimate demise of an empire that never really came to grips with the fact that it was initially built on genocide and slavery. White Nationalism is a malignant cancer that now threatens to metastasize without immediate, courageous, compassionate and skillful triage.
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Two points: First, Mr. Erickson you stated that you don't believe that the Republican Party would accept these white nationalists and supremacists? Open your eyes, it already has. Trump is the president, and the Congress has now bowed to kiss his ring. You accepted this racist bunch of yokels, with all the aplomb accorded to a foreign dignitary. Second, to the white nationalist who believed that white Europeans will suddenly start to immigrate to the United States, I've got news for you, that immigration pattern ended in the last century after its apex during the 19th century. Europeans, especially Western Europeans, have an economic system which is equal or better than our own, and there is no impetus for them to leave their countries to immigrate to the United States. Economics drives almost all mass immigration. Furthermore, the vast majority of them don't share your racist views of the supremacy of white people. What a shame that our country has fallen to this deplorable depth.
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Trump's outrageous silence regarding this gathering storm of white supremacists speaks volumes, especially given that he has time in the wee hours to tweet criticism of Broadway and SNL.
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These people live in their own fantasy land and want to create a perception that Trump is their own man, when in fact Trump is his own man and rejected their support. On the other hand political opponents of Trump is happy to make Trump as a man with dark motivation and racist feelings for their own political advantages. These two forces are colluding to create more divisions in the society for their own sectarian and special advantages. Majority of American people are aware of that and cleverly elected Trump as President. He got more support of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and White working class.
Dear Alex E.,
Sorry but Trump got far less support among Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and other minority groups. Also less support among women and the nation as a whole. It was not clever to vote for him, because he lies all the time and is completely ignorant about a lot of things. And he ran with racist platforms, so it's accurate to call him racist. Try to realize the facts of the matter here, it's important, because racist fascism is rising.
Sorry but Trump got far less support among Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and other minority groups. Also less support among women and the nation as a whole. It was not clever to vote for him, because he lies all the time and is completely ignorant about a lot of things. And he ran with racist platforms, so it's accurate to call him racist. Try to realize the facts of the matter here, it's important, because racist fascism is rising.
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The danger is that willfully or not, he's wound them up and just about released them from any previous social constraints. We should not nurse any illusions about their obedience to him, if they should ever decide that any softening of his rhetoric constitutes betrayal. This element must be confronted without fail, as calmly, strongly and consistently as possible, lest we fail to acknowledge the lessons of Weimar Germany.
It can only happen here if we each repeat their hopeful folly -- where so many good citizens said, in one way or another, "Well, surely he doesn't REALLY mean that..." or "Surely this policy has some benefits..." or "Surely they don't mean me..."
Step up. Remain calm. Help your neighbor.
He or she might just be the American who helps you tomorrow.
It can only happen here if we each repeat their hopeful folly -- where so many good citizens said, in one way or another, "Well, surely he doesn't REALLY mean that..." or "Surely this policy has some benefits..." or "Surely they don't mean me..."
Step up. Remain calm. Help your neighbor.
He or she might just be the American who helps you tomorrow.
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A majority did NOT elect Trump (1.5 million votes less).
Also, Trump did NOT reject their support.
Also, Trump did NOT reject their support.
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"hundreds of his extremist supporters"
They just need another roughly 150 million before this works out to a majority of the American population.
They just need another roughly 150 million before this works out to a majority of the American population.
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But they have President Trump on the side of the extremists. Sad times for America!
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When Hitler joined Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei he had less than 20 supporters...
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I'd suggest they already have 1/3 of the nation's voters, although these people do not readily admit it or bang the drum, or even see themselves as racists, this 1/3 of American's will consistently vote for certain candidates, knowing they are simpatico in certain ways: They will continually try make voting more difficult, will continue to support disenfranchisement (of 6 million felons) and will continue to do everything to make life difficult for the poor/non-white people. They are thrilled that the confederate states will not expand Medicaid for the very poor and are also gleeful that people who are getting subsidies will no longer have health insurance. Oddly, many of these health care subsidies go to whites, but it assumed they go to black or brown people.
They also are not at all fond of Jews, though not openly anti-semitic. Many go to churches that openly preach that Catholics are Satanists. I have had several friends tell me their evangelical churches regularly bash Catholics and even though these are essentially friendly people, they have no real problem with it and more or less accept is as truth. All of these things track the KKK and Alt-right, and people can support it without ever going to a cross burning or neo-nazi march.
None of this Trump phenomena is really surprising.
They also are not at all fond of Jews, though not openly anti-semitic. Many go to churches that openly preach that Catholics are Satanists. I have had several friends tell me their evangelical churches regularly bash Catholics and even though these are essentially friendly people, they have no real problem with it and more or less accept is as truth. All of these things track the KKK and Alt-right, and people can support it without ever going to a cross burning or neo-nazi march.
None of this Trump phenomena is really surprising.
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Who is it who has given the provocative but otherwise very ordinary Mr. Spencer the national spotlight?
Not Trump or anyone genuinely associated with him, but rather the national media, who seek to paint Trump with the brush of Mr. Spencer.
How many are there on the so-called "alt-right", as defined by Spencer? Perhaps 10,000 across all of our country of 300,000,000? If the media could do the math, this would not be a "movement" worth concerning itself about.
But hysterics never seem able to count: that's what makes them hysterical.
Spencer sees this as his 15 minutes of fame, and will milk it, milk it, milk it. And the media sees Spencer as the mud they can fling at Trump, hoping it sticks. It's a folie a deux which the rest of us would do well to avoid.
Not Trump or anyone genuinely associated with him, but rather the national media, who seek to paint Trump with the brush of Mr. Spencer.
How many are there on the so-called "alt-right", as defined by Spencer? Perhaps 10,000 across all of our country of 300,000,000? If the media could do the math, this would not be a "movement" worth concerning itself about.
But hysterics never seem able to count: that's what makes them hysterical.
Spencer sees this as his 15 minutes of fame, and will milk it, milk it, milk it. And the media sees Spencer as the mud they can fling at Trump, hoping it sticks. It's a folie a deux which the rest of us would do well to avoid.
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Perhaps you could show us how you did the math to arrive at 10g alt-right identifying individuals? What about the number of alt-right sympathizing individuals... still 10g by your best guess?
I think you've low-balled your guess at how many American hearts are stained with prejudice. We had an election that did the math better than you, and there are millions.
I think you've low-balled your guess at how many American hearts are stained with prejudice. We had an election that did the math better than you, and there are millions.
you really need to watch the History Channel's 4-part "Rise and Fall of Hitler". It explains very clearly how he became the most violent and dangerous leader in the world, and it started much like these white supremacist groups have.
It is not hysteria, it is very very possible.
It is not hysteria, it is very very possible.
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Frankly0, I think your number of 10,000 is far to low. Do not underestimate these people............ they convinced a large portion of Americans to vote for the man who is incorporating them into his cabinet. If it smells rotten, it is rotten.
People need to reread history. ALL the German people ended up suffering because they believed in Hitler. Yes he systematically killed the jews and other religious/races, but he also killed many Germans (500,000 of his own), many children ( a child having asthma was flawed and not to part of the perfect race), elderly, disabled, retarded, deformed or sickly.
This needs to be taken seriously for what it is and stopped!
People need to reread history. ALL the German people ended up suffering because they believed in Hitler. Yes he systematically killed the jews and other religious/races, but he also killed many Germans (500,000 of his own), many children ( a child having asthma was flawed and not to part of the perfect race), elderly, disabled, retarded, deformed or sickly.
This needs to be taken seriously for what it is and stopped!
Often heard is that our system too strong to let "it" happen here. My fear is that "it" did happen.
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The neo-Nazi Richard Spencer is mentioned in this piece as if he were another single-issue advocate. Tablet Magazine online, however, discussed his published views in an article published before this one. Here are his views summarized by Tablet:
"Richard Spencer may be a more familiar name: He’s making headlines this week because Twitter just banned him. Spencer calls himself a 'racial idealist' and believes, as he’s put it, 'race is real, race matters, and race is the foundation of identity.' Give him credit for ambition: 'Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans. It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence.'
"How will this white ethno-state be built? Simple. Ethnic cleansing: 'Today, in the public imagination, ethnic cleansing has been associated with civil war and mass murder, understandably so. But this does not need to be the case.'
"Eugenics can also play a critical role: 'In the popular imagination, the word ‘eugenics’ conjures up images of death panels, concentration camps, and piles of bodies.' [ Spencer states that this is mistaken, seemingly citing Nazi eugenics policies as a precedent. ]
""How would the Jews fit into this racial breakdown? 'Ashkenazi Jews are not white,' according to Spencer. 'Every time I read about a Jew somewhere identifying as a white person, I cringe.'"
To say that the Times is normalizing Mr. Spencer is a great understatement.
"Richard Spencer may be a more familiar name: He’s making headlines this week because Twitter just banned him. Spencer calls himself a 'racial idealist' and believes, as he’s put it, 'race is real, race matters, and race is the foundation of identity.' Give him credit for ambition: 'Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans. It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence.'
"How will this white ethno-state be built? Simple. Ethnic cleansing: 'Today, in the public imagination, ethnic cleansing has been associated with civil war and mass murder, understandably so. But this does not need to be the case.'
"Eugenics can also play a critical role: 'In the popular imagination, the word ‘eugenics’ conjures up images of death panels, concentration camps, and piles of bodies.' [ Spencer states that this is mistaken, seemingly citing Nazi eugenics policies as a precedent. ]
""How would the Jews fit into this racial breakdown? 'Ashkenazi Jews are not white,' according to Spencer. 'Every time I read about a Jew somewhere identifying as a white person, I cringe.'"
To say that the Times is normalizing Mr. Spencer is a great understatement.
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The red state centrist republicans--or simply any decent, thoughtful Americans--in the electoral college must vote against their states. Not to give favor to the majority vote winner but to save our country from losing 50 years of social and environmental progress in an instant.
Donald Trump was an unfit and unqualified candidate for president. He's surrounding himself with like-minded people of extremely low-character. And what is shaping up is a genuinely dangerous situation.
Beyond the overt racism that is already causing great unrest in our nation, Trump is ill-equipped to deal with any of the problems we face, both foreign and domestic--and most especially regarding our environment and our changing climate.
He will continue to put his energy into his own private business while in a position that requires constant, 24 hour a day effort in working for the American people. That is something he seems both unprepared and unwilling to do.
Trump is, and always was, the republican party's biggest mistake. The members of the electoral college must make this right, after which our country can seriously construct an overhaul of our election process to a more democratic model. Campaign finance reform and abolishing the electoral college would be the starting points.
But this pending disaster must be averted. Donald Trump, along with some of the people he's surrounding himself with, are a clear and present danger. The electoral college must act.
Donald Trump was an unfit and unqualified candidate for president. He's surrounding himself with like-minded people of extremely low-character. And what is shaping up is a genuinely dangerous situation.
Beyond the overt racism that is already causing great unrest in our nation, Trump is ill-equipped to deal with any of the problems we face, both foreign and domestic--and most especially regarding our environment and our changing climate.
He will continue to put his energy into his own private business while in a position that requires constant, 24 hour a day effort in working for the American people. That is something he seems both unprepared and unwilling to do.
Trump is, and always was, the republican party's biggest mistake. The members of the electoral college must make this right, after which our country can seriously construct an overhaul of our election process to a more democratic model. Campaign finance reform and abolishing the electoral college would be the starting points.
But this pending disaster must be averted. Donald Trump, along with some of the people he's surrounding himself with, are a clear and present danger. The electoral college must act.
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We need to demonstrate loudly & clearly that the Electoral College needs to think very seriously about rubber stamping Trump as President..... forget precedents ...You are so right "clear and present" danger is upon us.
This article speaks to the larger issue of education. Public schools need to do an improved job at educating our students in history and civics. It seems as though a significant percentage of Americans lack a clear understanding of our history as a nation. It would be enlightening and beneficial to do a "root cause analysis" of how rump became president. Without going through the process I jump to the root cause being that of a dearth of knowledge about our history and government. It seems as though the primary role of our government is to protect the rights of the people; all people. I think America needs to somehow come to a common understanding of who we are, how we got to where we are, and where we want to go moving forward. To me, moving forward, I want Americans to be more knowledgeable of our historic past. I want Americans to have a clear understanding of the role of government and how government should function to ensure equal opportunities for all to pursue their right to life, liberty, and happiness. Finally I want Americans to be more empathetic to each other in our day to day living. After all, we do get to decide the kind of person we are in our relations with each other. While I will vehemently oppose rump and his brand when it goes against our rights, I also will try to embody what a young 15 year old girl once wrote: "How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world."
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Even as you choose to repeatedly disparage the elected president....here's another lesson for you, “Maybe the best way for you to get us to summon our better selves is for you to show us yours.”
The language is too polite. Could we please start calling them white supremacists? Or, if you want to be PC about it - white separatists.
White nationalists don't represent the nation. So to call them nationalist is unfair.
As for "Alt-Right" - if I were on the Right, I would disavow them.
Words are important.
White nationalists don't represent the nation. So to call them nationalist is unfair.
As for "Alt-Right" - if I were on the Right, I would disavow them.
Words are important.
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If the far left did not constantly attack whites the alt right would not have developed.
In the 1970s my cousin in Boston instead of walking three blocks to school was bused 25 minutes away. Somehow stealing 40 minutes a day from a junior high school kid was supposed to make up for slavery? The far left has destroyed the Democratic party.
In the 1970s my cousin in Boston instead of walking three blocks to school was bused 25 minutes away. Somehow stealing 40 minutes a day from a junior high school kid was supposed to make up for slavery? The far left has destroyed the Democratic party.
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"constantly attack whites"
I AM white. Still trying to figure out how I have EVER been "constantly attacked". Busing? Laughable. I can only conclude your notion of "constantly attacked" is based on not being able to have everything for yourself. For not having the world conform to your vision. Your comment is tantamount to what Germans said about the Jews.
I AM white. Still trying to figure out how I have EVER been "constantly attacked". Busing? Laughable. I can only conclude your notion of "constantly attacked" is based on not being able to have everything for yourself. For not having the world conform to your vision. Your comment is tantamount to what Germans said about the Jews.
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Try taking responsibility for your views.
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I am African-American. I started attending public school in Richmond, VA in 1954, the year of the desegreation order from the Supreme Court. When I graduated from High School in 1967 to go to an elite private liberal arts college in the northeast, my high school was, as were all the public schools in Richmond, still segragated by race. Not only that, throughout all those years fully half of my schoolmates had to take buses past several white schools to attend our black school. The other indignity was that they had to take public transportation; no school buses transported them. That also meant that their parents had to pay each day for the round trip past the white "closer" schools. Hence, I am not at all moved by your cousin's inconvenience to get to school in the 1970s.
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The mistake that is possible is that media, the public and the GOP will begin to "normalize" the white nationalist movement. The GOP in particular must disavow these people, and if that requires disavowing some of Donald Trump's appointments, then so be it. Once this movement is seen to be an acceptable alternative to mainstream conservatism, then the cancer will spread. If people from this movement start running for office under the GOP banner, and are elected, we can see what the party could become. The question I have is whether the average GOP politician and member will stand up and make it clear that the direction Trump is trying to take the party is unacceptable, and if they start to dominate, they must break with this hate group. Many people voted for Trump for economic reasons. Others because they do not like the cultural shifts toward gay rights and other religiously based cultural issues. Many voted as a backlash against vested interests that haven't worked for the average citizen for many years. Unfortunately though, there is a core group of supporters who see an opportunity to raise white nationalism as a legitimate political movement. Mr. Trump and his minions must vigorously denounce this. My concern is that by virtue of some of his early appointments, I am not confident that will occur. We must be vigilant, and we must hold the GOP accountable for what is to come.
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But- will we?
You lost and you really don't know why.
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A Klansman by any other name ....
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It is sickening to see the rise in racism cloaked as 'alt right'. I wonder if any of these groups understand our constitution - which was deliberated and has stood the test of time.
We have been a bastion of hope for the world because of not kneeling to prejudices and correcting our course. This is a virus that needs strong and unequivocal resistance - asserting fairness, respect to all, decency to keep our values intact.
This is not just 'usual politics' anymore.
We have been a bastion of hope for the world because of not kneeling to prejudices and correcting our course. This is a virus that needs strong and unequivocal resistance - asserting fairness, respect to all, decency to keep our values intact.
This is not just 'usual politics' anymore.
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I'm waiting for all these white supremacists to take the jobs of the immigrants that they plan on removing from the Country--like picking strawberries, cutting meat, cleaning toilets, and can't wait to hear from business interests when they can't get their cheap labor and the cost of everything increases.
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so you support immigrants doing what you clearly consider 'dirty work' for less money? Now that's a bigot.
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Well said.
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Deb was speaking of what is a reality.....nothing more.....
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Please, please stop using terms "white nationalists" since there is no such thing as a white nation (at least not yet). Your headline implies that somewhere out there is a nation or race of whites. This does not exists and are not America's origins. American's race origins are Native Americans, African, Asian and European which are not and never has been a white. All of these races and ethnic groups have origins in African, Asian and Oceanic DNA. Please ground the NY Times headlines in reality - such as racists nationalists or antisemitic nationalists. As the paper of record don't fall down the rabbit hole - you have a moral obligation to respect that words have meanings and made up slogans such "white nationalists" and "alt-right" mean nothing since they are PR slogans. If the NY Times continues down this path you are going to become the paper of ridicule rather than the paper of record.
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So there is a few hundred idiotic dirt bag white racists having a rally in D.C. and it is the end of the world.
But when there are MILLIONS of anti-white racist blacks encouraged by a racist Obama Administration, Black Lives Matter anti-white and anti-police racists thugs, and millions of anti-white Mexican and Central American openly protesting America with their Mexican and La Raza Re Conquista flags there is not a problem with the regressive atheist Left!!
Total hypocrisy.
And for everyone's information, the few hundred white racist morons are irrelevant to American history, but all of the above describe regressive Left racists ARE totally relevant to American history.
But when there are MILLIONS of anti-white racist blacks encouraged by a racist Obama Administration, Black Lives Matter anti-white and anti-police racists thugs, and millions of anti-white Mexican and Central American openly protesting America with their Mexican and La Raza Re Conquista flags there is not a problem with the regressive atheist Left!!
Total hypocrisy.
And for everyone's information, the few hundred white racist morons are irrelevant to American history, but all of the above describe regressive Left racists ARE totally relevant to American history.
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William Gill, Esquire, your prejudice is unfortunately very evident in this erroneous post.
There aren't millions of BLM protestors, but they're not protesting out of racism. They're not saying, get all white people out of America, they're saying, stop cops from shooting black people all the time.
Mexican flags are not inherently racist either. White people also aren't always racist, but your post here, railing about things without any facts in hand at all, seems pretty racist to me.
There aren't millions of BLM protestors, but they're not protesting out of racism. They're not saying, get all white people out of America, they're saying, stop cops from shooting black people all the time.
Mexican flags are not inherently racist either. White people also aren't always racist, but your post here, railing about things without any facts in hand at all, seems pretty racist to me.
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What is hypocritical is to blame Obama for all your misery. It is not Obama's fault that the world is globalized and you cannot compete. Perhaps, instead of imagining that you are OWED a middle class life at the expense of people of color, you should figure out how to get an education. And when that does not get you a good paying job ... you can turn to the republicans and ask why they advocate American style Capitalism at the expense of you .. and other economically disenfranchised Americans. One promise Trump is definately going to keep is to cut taxes for corporations from 35 to 15 percent. He claims this will encourage them to create jobs for you ... but all that will happen is they will take the tax break and go over seas... Just like Trump did with his clothing factory, and like he does with all his other businesses. So again, you can be part of the solution or part of the problem.
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Let me guess, you fly the confederate flag because you are a true American....
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"Intellectual leaders of the movement argue that they are merely trying to realize their desire for a white “ethno-state” where they can be left alone."
Merely.
How? What would you see happen? Stop pussyfooting around here. Tell us your demands. Tell us NOW where this is all headed. Or are you too scared to?
Merely.
How? What would you see happen? Stop pussyfooting around here. Tell us your demands. Tell us NOW where this is all headed. Or are you too scared to?
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This is nihilism, and if you don't learn how to manage it, it will cost you this whole planet.
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Black lives matter promote anti police agenda Latino power harbor illegal criminals, and other so called liberal demands. Well the whites are asking for their share and are denounced and vilified. WHY??
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Dear Christos,
Nobody minds white people asking for their share, although it's a little silly as on average white people in America have far more benefits than any other group. It's these white supremacists wanting the suppression and elimination of all non-whites that are the problem.
We understand that a lot of uneducated white people are upset about losing their jobs. The problem is that modern technology has rendered those jobs obsolete. These people need training and potentially a new W.P.A. to employ them rebuilding our infrastructure. Watch carefully as Trump fails to get anything like that accomplished.
Nobody minds white people asking for their share, although it's a little silly as on average white people in America have far more benefits than any other group. It's these white supremacists wanting the suppression and elimination of all non-whites that are the problem.
We understand that a lot of uneducated white people are upset about losing their jobs. The problem is that modern technology has rendered those jobs obsolete. These people need training and potentially a new W.P.A. to employ them rebuilding our infrastructure. Watch carefully as Trump fails to get anything like that accomplished.
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Like this group do you believe in banning immigration for 50 years and instituting Apartheid in the US?Don;t you think that should be denounced and vilified?
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A pox on both!
We are the silenced majority whose votes are being ignored. We come in all colors and creeds, all sexual orientations and ethnic backgrounds, united against this horror. We will protest. We will write. We will organize. We will vote and help young people and new citizens to register. If they want to register Muslims, we will register as Muslims. If they want to segregate us, to deport our hard-working neighbors, we will make a chain of linked arms. White people come in many shades, Mr. Trump. You will never be my president, a word that I will be spelling with a small p after your inauguration.
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By the time the registration starts, it will be too late to resist this new Regime. European Jews failed to realize this in the 1930's and it cost them their lives (in all senses) by the millions. Muslims must refuse to register, and decent Americans must help them to resist, if it comes to that.
We do no favor to our Muslim brothers and sisters by offering them some sort of imagined support in the name of solidarity. That is not resistance. This isn't television.
Resist! Resist like your lives depend upon it.
We do no favor to our Muslim brothers and sisters by offering them some sort of imagined support in the name of solidarity. That is not resistance. This isn't television.
Resist! Resist like your lives depend upon it.
Once again the New York Times is showing its bias. The people described are indeed "Nationalists." They are America-First types- and good for them. That the NYT feels the need to tack on "white" before the term "Nationalist" shows the Times' discredited world-globalist multicultural view. America is 80% white.
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Do you not think that it is the alt-right themselves that put "white" before nationalist?
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In fact, no, the United States of America is NOT 80% white - it is under 70%, per the latest census data. And, remember, our founders created a democratic republic in order to avoid 'the tyranny of the majority.' Stop acting like a victim, and don't forget, the majority of the majority favors a diverse USA. And the majority of populace did not vote for this person. The time of the red government will be limited, as the lives of Americans, I fear, will become far worse over the next four years.
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America is 63% white, actually (according to 2013 census data) - if you took the time to check the facts.
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NYTs columnist Mr. Douthat this morning sounding like a John Birch Society member is an indication of type of ignorance that has been swept up into Donald Trump's victory. Right wing hate groups think they have an ally in the White House. Steve Bannon has been made his chief political advisor. So with the stealth social media fueled lies outside the main stream news media's attention Trump won the electoral college and has put what must be considered the most dangerously uninformed man in post WW2 times into the presidency. The NYTs daily reports on Trumps' ever burgeoning conflicts of interest. Now Mitt Romney wants a piece of the action.
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WHITE SUPREMACISTS NOT NATIONALISTS STOP NORMALIZING.
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NATIONALISM IS DANGEROUS, NOT NORMATIVE. DOES ALL CAPS MAKE ME SOUND SMARTER? no
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Exactly! Please stop the NORMALIZING.
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There may be few card carrying White Supremacists but if you look the other way when they spout their philosophy of exclusion by saying that it is having the right to live with whom you want, like they aren't advocating ghettos, they you are enabling the normalization of second class citizenry.
Of course you have the right to live and work where you want but if a non-white person happens to move in next door, you don't have a right to harass or make laws that would force them to move. These alt right groups want to do just that.
The potential grows for a police state the more their ideas come out of teh shadows and become accepted as part of ordinary dialogue.
Of course you have the right to live and work where you want but if a non-white person happens to move in next door, you don't have a right to harass or make laws that would force them to move. These alt right groups want to do just that.
The potential grows for a police state the more their ideas come out of teh shadows and become accepted as part of ordinary dialogue.
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The best argument against white supremacy is white supremacists.
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Oh please make this into a bumper sticker so I can buy one!
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Curious problem: is this a country with "national" value, or a diverse confederation of values? If so: how does the latter work? Can there be a "safe place" for ethno-centrists? Would love to see how their tourist industry would evolve.
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A couple of hundred idiots get together and it's front page in The New York Times? I thought the editor states after the election that the paper was going to provide more balanced coverage. What happened?
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Joseph - "I thought the editor states after the election that the paper was going to provide more balanced coverage. What happened?"
They lied!
They lied!
Did you say that about the pipeline protests? C'mon. We need to know what these people are thinking and saying.
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You believed them?
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Republicans have increasingly depended on anti-democratic means to win national and state elections, including voter suppression, voter purging and gerrymandering.
The last two Republican presidents have been elected while losing the national popular vote.
Narrow win(s) in pivotal states provided the margin of error.
W. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 by about half a million votes and was awarded a victory of Florida by the Supreme Court with a margin a 537 votes out of 6 million cast.
George W.'s brother, Jeb, was governor of Florida during the election. He made sure to purge the voter rolls of some 60,000 overwhelmingly African-American voters prior to the election.
This had a direct impact on his brother's election.
One of the attorneys who represent the Bush campaign was John Roberts, later appointed Supreme Court Justice by George W.
He promptly helped gut the Voting Rights Act using a bizarre theory of "racial entitlements" to overturn the express will of Congress.
Secretary Hillary Clinton so far has won 63.5 million votes, surpassing Trump's votes by 1.67 million.
Secretary Clinton is expected to receive nearly as many votes as President Obama did in 2012, but with a 2 million margin of popular vote victory.
The President wasn't elected by the will of the people, and speaks of deporting millions of non-white people, adopting torture and alliances with autocratic nations over longstanding democratic partners.
American democracy is under attack.
The last two Republican presidents have been elected while losing the national popular vote.
Narrow win(s) in pivotal states provided the margin of error.
W. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 by about half a million votes and was awarded a victory of Florida by the Supreme Court with a margin a 537 votes out of 6 million cast.
George W.'s brother, Jeb, was governor of Florida during the election. He made sure to purge the voter rolls of some 60,000 overwhelmingly African-American voters prior to the election.
This had a direct impact on his brother's election.
One of the attorneys who represent the Bush campaign was John Roberts, later appointed Supreme Court Justice by George W.
He promptly helped gut the Voting Rights Act using a bizarre theory of "racial entitlements" to overturn the express will of Congress.
Secretary Hillary Clinton so far has won 63.5 million votes, surpassing Trump's votes by 1.67 million.
Secretary Clinton is expected to receive nearly as many votes as President Obama did in 2012, but with a 2 million margin of popular vote victory.
The President wasn't elected by the will of the people, and speaks of deporting millions of non-white people, adopting torture and alliances with autocratic nations over longstanding democratic partners.
American democracy is under attack.
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For this and what's to follow we thank the DNC's rigging and the voters in the Democratuc primaries who were so obsessed with identity politics that they denied nominating the person who could have demolished Trump. The failure to acknowledge this myopia does not bode well for the future.
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Thanks for sharing your personal opinion.
No data to support that TRUMP cultists would have voted for Sanders, nor that all Dems would have either OR Independents.
No scenarios run that would show what Trump/Bannon crew would have done to destroy and devastate Bernie.
It would not have been pretty.
Clinton won the votes of the people. She,John and Stein amassed 54%of the votes.
Trump won by a plurality.
He is a minority president.
The MAJORITY DID NOT WANT TRUMP.
They did NOT come out and vote for his hatred, they did not come out and vote for his foreign policy, they did NOT vote for a wall or forced deportation or Muslim registries.
They for sure did NOT vote for dismantling Social Security or Medicare because TRUMP SAID HE WOULD PROTECT THEM.
SO when the majority of Americans -- the 77% who did not vote or voted for another candidate -- start seeing things like Medicare,Social Security,charitable and home interest deductions -- being rammed through by Ryan (with Trump drooling in adoration), the people who WILL start paying are the members of the House AND the Senate. Those reps will be hearing from their constituencies loud and clear and THEY come up for re-election in 24 months. And there are a few good GOP men and womoen in the Senate who have already announced they will stand with the Dems on matters of principle and who have said the filubster will continue.
The MINORITY PRESIDENT does not own the world. Nor will he.
No data to support that TRUMP cultists would have voted for Sanders, nor that all Dems would have either OR Independents.
No scenarios run that would show what Trump/Bannon crew would have done to destroy and devastate Bernie.
It would not have been pretty.
Clinton won the votes of the people. She,John and Stein amassed 54%of the votes.
Trump won by a plurality.
He is a minority president.
The MAJORITY DID NOT WANT TRUMP.
They did NOT come out and vote for his hatred, they did not come out and vote for his foreign policy, they did NOT vote for a wall or forced deportation or Muslim registries.
They for sure did NOT vote for dismantling Social Security or Medicare because TRUMP SAID HE WOULD PROTECT THEM.
SO when the majority of Americans -- the 77% who did not vote or voted for another candidate -- start seeing things like Medicare,Social Security,charitable and home interest deductions -- being rammed through by Ryan (with Trump drooling in adoration), the people who WILL start paying are the members of the House AND the Senate. Those reps will be hearing from their constituencies loud and clear and THEY come up for re-election in 24 months. And there are a few good GOP men and womoen in the Senate who have already announced they will stand with the Dems on matters of principle and who have said the filubster will continue.
The MINORITY PRESIDENT does not own the world. Nor will he.
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Na-tion-al-ist
ˈnaSH(ə)nələst/
noun
1. a person who advocates political independence for a country.
"a Scottish nationalist"
Notice, that the definition doesn't include the words "racist", "KKK" or any other word implying that racism has anything to do with being a nationalist.
Last time I checked, we had a document known a The Declaration of Independence, which expressly advocates political independence for a country.
Every American should be a Nationalist. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being one.
I am a Brown Nationalist. Steve Bannon was a great pick. This talk of White Nationalism is just more of the same propaganda that propelled Trump to the White House.
Go ahead, mainstream media, go ahead and double down on stupid.
ˈnaSH(ə)nələst/
noun
1. a person who advocates political independence for a country.
"a Scottish nationalist"
Notice, that the definition doesn't include the words "racist", "KKK" or any other word implying that racism has anything to do with being a nationalist.
Last time I checked, we had a document known a The Declaration of Independence, which expressly advocates political independence for a country.
Every American should be a Nationalist. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being one.
I am a Brown Nationalist. Steve Bannon was a great pick. This talk of White Nationalism is just more of the same propaganda that propelled Trump to the White House.
Go ahead, mainstream media, go ahead and double down on stupid.
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Real definition: white nationalism means America is a white country for the benefit of whites.
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Nice but cheap try.
You forgot what you learned in grade school grammar about ADJECTIVES.
They MODIFY the noun. As in change or alter its meaning.
SO when these people say "WHITE nationalists," they are not talking (quite obviously, duh!) about WHITE America and WHITE Americans.
To self--selected on the basis of RACE ONLY is to be a rascist -- favoring one race over the other.
You can play word games all you want, but you cannot rewrite the dictionary.
WHITE nationalist is NOT the same thing as a nationalist.
And you knew that.
And typical of your ilk that you'd just try to be cute and mislead people.
Epic.
Fail.
You forgot what you learned in grade school grammar about ADJECTIVES.
They MODIFY the noun. As in change or alter its meaning.
SO when these people say "WHITE nationalists," they are not talking (quite obviously, duh!) about WHITE America and WHITE Americans.
To self--selected on the basis of RACE ONLY is to be a rascist -- favoring one race over the other.
You can play word games all you want, but you cannot rewrite the dictionary.
WHITE nationalist is NOT the same thing as a nationalist.
And you knew that.
And typical of your ilk that you'd just try to be cute and mislead people.
Epic.
Fail.
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Thank you for exposing the little bubble against the world you created for yourself to live in.
But mostly, thank you for financing the NYT in these times where democrats and progressists need to support an independent press.
But mostly, thank you for financing the NYT in these times where democrats and progressists need to support an independent press.
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Stop calling them 'white nationalists.' They are racists. Anything else legitimizes hate. C'mon NYT!
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We ought to be opposing ethnic nationalism as much as out-and-out racism. Don't wait until it's too hate.
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Ford Motors refused to called Trump a liar, and the MSM refuses to honestly describe the Alt-Right movement. Why? Because, for better or worse a vindictive president and agencies at his disposal, CAN make a CEO's life difficult.
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They can have a white ethno-state, just not here. They can purchase some land, private property, and those who want to, can move there. People of color who built this country with our blood, sweat and tears are going nowhere, voluntarily, or otherwise.
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They can move to Antarctica.
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Rod Serling could not have scripted a more bizarre Twilight Zone episode -- a flamboyant, bombastic New York billionaire becomes the champion of millions of frustrated, white American working people and emboldened racists while taking the reins of the free world as president with zero political experience, riding a wave of lies, distortion, and fear-mongering as network and cable television news on-cue reflexively normalize it all.
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Blame the cowardly Republican Party for not rejecting his candidacy at the very beginning. They put petty politics above the interests of the country. I hope people remember this in two years for the mid-term elections.
How appropriate that these white supremacists met in the Ronald Reagan Building. After all, Reagan launched his 1980 Presidential campaign by proclaiming his support for States rights, and doing so in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where just a few years earlier white supremacists had murdered three civil rights workers. Kindred souls.
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It's ironic that the party that started with Abraham Lincoln, who went to war to keep this country together and to free the slaves, is ending with Donald J. Trump, the man who puts racists in top posts, is responsible for the uptick in sales of Confederate flags, and is tearing this country apart.
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As Trump sowed, now will he reap, to the detriment of all of us, although Paul here seem to like it.
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Even the headline of this article sends a cold shiver down my spine. I fear that most Americans do not know the history of the rise of fascism in Germany! We are sitting ducks. Beware of those who decry and dehumanize "others" because history has been a tough yet thorough teacher warning us that when we hear words that dehumanize, that exclude, that raise one race over others....we should be vigilant! I, for one, will fight with all my strength to keep our nation from this dangerous path!
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"Emboldened by Mr. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party,..."
Here's a key clause. This emboldenment is the direct fault of the Republican Party. And that means that a first step in any remedy, any digression from Trump[sm, is in the laps of "adult" Republicans. So far, most of this ilk appears in the act of sucking-up rather than abiding by formerly stated principles (e.g. Cruz, Romney?). The "R" appears sufficient to revoke principle. But Republicans (conservatives) broke the Party, so they own Trumpism and all that it implies. We'll soon see if there's any backbone, any principle, indeed any morality, left in the Party, or if is it simply marches to the Trump banner, whatever it may represent (e.g. white nationalism, supply-side economics, aggressive foreign policy, Trump Inc. enterprises). So far, it looks like marching is winning out.
Here's a key clause. This emboldenment is the direct fault of the Republican Party. And that means that a first step in any remedy, any digression from Trump[sm, is in the laps of "adult" Republicans. So far, most of this ilk appears in the act of sucking-up rather than abiding by formerly stated principles (e.g. Cruz, Romney?). The "R" appears sufficient to revoke principle. But Republicans (conservatives) broke the Party, so they own Trumpism and all that it implies. We'll soon see if there's any backbone, any principle, indeed any morality, left in the Party, or if is it simply marches to the Trump banner, whatever it may represent (e.g. white nationalism, supply-side economics, aggressive foreign policy, Trump Inc. enterprises). So far, it looks like marching is winning out.
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Alt Right is, and must be, unambiguously synonymous with Neo Nazi, White Nationalist, and White Supremacist. Using the term Alt Right isn't normalizing. It is inscribing and codifying into an immutable sign that signifies something truly malevolent. Its regular usage will hopeful imprint this signifier into the collective psyche that there is no way to give it a way out.
When Alt Right is indistinguishable from Neo Nazi, then "Right" must accept its role in leading its members toward that dark corner, which is now in daylight. It's my hope that one day that just plain "Right" will be synonymous with White Supremacy, because that's what it truly is, and always has been.
When Alt Right is indistinguishable from Neo Nazi, then "Right" must accept its role in leading its members toward that dark corner, which is now in daylight. It's my hope that one day that just plain "Right" will be synonymous with White Supremacy, because that's what it truly is, and always has been.
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Why worry about illegal immigration when people are contemplating flight................
I think we are about to find out some truths about America, that may
destroy whatever national pride we have left.
The contempt I feel for the Republican party with few exceptions for
their silence in the face of this fascist take-over of our country yields no words
equal to the catastrophe, and no words which can describe their cowardice
and devotion only to power. Their names will be relegated to the dust bin of history. Disgust and disgrace.
I think we are about to find out some truths about America, that may
destroy whatever national pride we have left.
The contempt I feel for the Republican party with few exceptions for
their silence in the face of this fascist take-over of our country yields no words
equal to the catastrophe, and no words which can describe their cowardice
and devotion only to power. Their names will be relegated to the dust bin of history. Disgust and disgrace.
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With his words Trump has given these white Nationalists hope. With is silence Mr. President elect Trump gives these people a stage.I don't know what is in Trumps head, but he needs to clear the air if he truly wants to unite the country.
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The answer is in your final sentence, juxtaposed:
"Trump needs to clear the air out of his head if he truly wants to unite the country."
Begin by resigning, that's how I define "Draining the Swamp!"
"Trump needs to clear the air out of his head if he truly wants to unite the country."
Begin by resigning, that's how I define "Draining the Swamp!"
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Your assumption about him wanting to unite this country is questionable. It is without question that Donald Trump wouldn't be where he is today without the winks, semi-embrace and air kisses towards these white nationalists. He knows how his bread is buttered. He knows that all he needs do is present the fig-leaf or some semblance of "unity" (as in outreach to black folk conducted before an all-white suburban crowd) to bring along a plurality of Americans. This is how he won the presidency after all.
How can you not know what's in Trump's head?? -- He's been broadcasting it throughout his entire presidential campaign, and living it all his life, which is why as a 70- year-old man, he's not about to change.
Simply put. He's racist.
Which is why none of what's happening here with these White Nationalists should come as a surprise.
Uniting the country is not on his agenda.
Simply put. He's racist.
Which is why none of what's happening here with these White Nationalists should come as a surprise.
Uniting the country is not on his agenda.
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The white Right's role model savior leader, Trump, is a man who repeatedly channels his dictatorial psychologically internalized paternal representation, the voice of his internalized father. Then Trump tweets his authoritarian judgmental narrow minded moral dictates to all the American people. This is Trump;s way of ordering all of the American People to follow hist authoritarian dictates, dictates which have an "or else" threat to them. Trump's tweeting to everybody in the wee hours of the morning is psychologically disturbed self expression of a man who dealing with memories of a strict disciplinarian authoritarian close-minded father figure. Trump is demanding that every one be self righteous, narrow-minded, and controlling like he is.
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The majority of Americans voted for HRC. Let's remember that.
(Please write a column on why we "need" the electoral college - it has given us GWB and The Donald, even though they both were "losers", in the true sense of the word.)
(Please write a column on why we "need" the electoral college - it has given us GWB and The Donald, even though they both were "losers", in the true sense of the word.)
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ONLY if you include the estimated 2-3 million illegal votes did HRC "win" the popular vote - from the atheist Communist New England and West Coast states and the big Midwestern cities full of welfare abusers.
Go look at the county by county vote in terms of popular majority vote for a true and accurate depiction of the USA - not just for this year, but for 2012, 2008 and going back into time.
Go look at the county by county vote in terms of popular majority vote for a true and accurate depiction of the USA - not just for this year, but for 2012, 2008 and going back into time.
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A majority of this country voted against her.
A plurality voted for her.
A majority is over 50%.
A plurality voted for her.
A majority is over 50%.
Numbers don't lie. HRC won the popular vote. If you can prove she didn't I'm all ears. Until then, silence your speculation counselor.
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The "white nationalists" seem to overlook the fact that the original and true natives of North America are not white. Then there is the fact that the forbears of black and Hispanic Americans were here before most of those of European ancestry.
In short, they don't know much about this country's history.
In short, they don't know much about this country's history.
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Oh I'm sure they know all about the history. They view it as evidence for white superiority. White takeover of nonwhite territories and exploitation/genocide of nonwhite people is merely the normal process of conquest by the master race. The strongest and smartest naturally prevail over their inferiors.
Apparently, allowing racists into the highest positions in government is a small price to pay for a tax cut. Such are the values of today's GOP. We are headed downhill fast until the more reasonable members of the party can stop enabling these extremists who are eroding at the founding principles of our Democracy.
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Excuse me, but did you just say "more reasonable members of the party"?!
I must have missed something...
I must have missed something...
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Don't worry. I missed it too....
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Broadly and troubling: Trump - Trumpler. Bannon - Goebels. 2016 - 1933
The 1st Amendment does not protect against assault (statements and actions that are clearly threatening impending harm). The question: When will the public acknowledge this problem and respond? Will the USA descend into the chaos of the mid-1960s riots before hateful voices prompting violence are legally stopped?
The 1st Amendment does not protect against assault (statements and actions that are clearly threatening impending harm). The question: When will the public acknowledge this problem and respond? Will the USA descend into the chaos of the mid-1960s riots before hateful voices prompting violence are legally stopped?
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In some countries, including mine, this sort of people are said to belong to the far-right or the extreme right. Calling them alt-right is not only ridiculous (what many hate about "PC extremism") but also legitimizes their ideology under an acceptable veil.
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"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
~ W B Yeats "The Second Coming"
Welcome to the new face America presents to the world.
Are full of passionate intensity."
~ W B Yeats "The Second Coming"
Welcome to the new face America presents to the world.
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The American people have seen firsthand "the end justifies the means". Trump has shown us this is his mantra.
Do not normalize Trump. One cannot normalize a psychotic.
Do not normalize Trump. One cannot normalize a psychotic.
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So much for Trump's promise to "unite America," unless he meant uniting hate groups, or could be one of his countless lies. Or both. I see no movement towards reconciliation, Trump lost the popular vote, and has no mandate. It's every Americans responsibility to push back against him, be vigilant against his hate and radical ideas, call and write your members of Congress. Protect the vulnerable in your community. Be part of the loyal opposition so Trump and Pence can do no harm to this great country.
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Be vigilant by supporting the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and reporting all hate crimes to The Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splc.org)
Keep HOPE alive.
Keep HOPE alive.
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This is truly frightening.
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Please stop calling White Supremacists, "Nationalists."
They are the faithful KKK progeny of George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Bull Connor.
And, please also stop calling White Supremacists running around in the wilds of Idaho, etc, etc, in camo, with assault rifles, "Militia." We have no "Militias" in the USA. We do have the National Guard, which is made of of civilian soldiers who have been trained, are loyal Americans, and are "well regulated."
They are the faithful KKK progeny of George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Bull Connor.
And, please also stop calling White Supremacists running around in the wilds of Idaho, etc, etc, in camo, with assault rifles, "Militia." We have no "Militias" in the USA. We do have the National Guard, which is made of of civilian soldiers who have been trained, are loyal Americans, and are "well regulated."
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Thank you to a fellow Californian for some much-needed clarification. Words are important. Another commenter here, "Toulouse", hailing from France, also contributed that to call far-right ideologues "alt-right" is the first step towards mainstream normalizing of them. I am paraphrasing but I do believe that was Toulouse's meaning.
Sorry. But what difference does it really make if they all have the same agenda?
I'll tell you.
NONE.
I'll tell you.
NONE.
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Martin Luther King, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, and Abraham Lincoln are spinning in their graves.
In the end, this is what America wrought.
In the end, this is what America wrought.
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We are witnessing the unimaginable happening in America. Grover Norquist, puppet master and mastermind of the Republican Party's "Pay No Taxes" Plan of which Mr. Trump appears to be one step ahead. Mr. Norquist who was "strangely" absent from this campaign once said in a panel discussion I attended in New York, that the Democrats were a bunch of elitists and look down on poor white people who populate the fringes of society. The Republican Party, Norquist said, targets them and goes wherever they are-the implication being the trailer parks of America and registers them in the Republican Party. And this election will soon show the manipulation of an undereducated and gullible group of people. Some of these people are white supremacists. Some of them are members of Neo Nazi groups. Some of them are members of the KKK, all united as voters for Donald Trump. When before their hatred of the "other" had them on watch lists. Have no doubt about the coming storm. When in New York City, two women in an upscale restaurant cannot have dinner privately discussing the election outcome without being violently punched in the face by a middle aged male Trump supporter listening nearby, you know the tide has turned on America. Trump supporters viscerally have all the indoctrination they need to unleash their hatred. For a real estate developer who gamed the system to enrich himself by picking their pockets. A reality tv star starving for power and fame. And willing to do anything to get it.
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In what sense is this unimaginable? Having grown up in Canada and lived in the UK before taking the risk and moving to the US I'd have said it was more than imaginable. It was somewhat expected, but one hoped it would not come to pass and the better instincts of what one believed was the majority of Americans would prevent it. The longer I remain here the more likely it seemed, but my commitment has been made. I knew this election would have this outcome. I hope I am wrong in my predictions of what comes next. Perhaps I can get my children out, at least.
I take issue with the title of your piece, as language is so important. These are not "white nationalists"; they're white supremacists. This is not a national but an international movement; that may be one reason why Trump feels so close to Putin, for Putin galvanizes and promotes white supremacists in Russia.
This dark cloud spreading around the world has been here forever, as long as there has been hatred of the other, but the speed of the growth of this dark stain on the body politic of the world is lately picking; energized by extreme economic dislocation and, yes, by radical Muslims, who've no idea the Pandora's box they've opened. As Steve Bannon said the other day: "Darkness is good. Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they get it wrong; when they're blind to who we are and what we're doing"
We're playing into the hands of those who've always wanted a race war and the ultimate expulsion and perhaps worse, of all who look and think differently from themselves when we let them define themselves- and us.
I saw on TV the other day where Trump was asked by a journalist about his Steve Bannon appointment, saying; "...those on the left are having a problem with that appointment". I was incensed by that sloppy language.
I am not of the left; I'm a centrist. Don't normalize Trump as the center by marginalizing those who have a problem with white supremacy and those who espouse it as "the left". Language matters.
This dark cloud spreading around the world has been here forever, as long as there has been hatred of the other, but the speed of the growth of this dark stain on the body politic of the world is lately picking; energized by extreme economic dislocation and, yes, by radical Muslims, who've no idea the Pandora's box they've opened. As Steve Bannon said the other day: "Darkness is good. Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they get it wrong; when they're blind to who we are and what we're doing"
We're playing into the hands of those who've always wanted a race war and the ultimate expulsion and perhaps worse, of all who look and think differently from themselves when we let them define themselves- and us.
I saw on TV the other day where Trump was asked by a journalist about his Steve Bannon appointment, saying; "...those on the left are having a problem with that appointment". I was incensed by that sloppy language.
I am not of the left; I'm a centrist. Don't normalize Trump as the center by marginalizing those who have a problem with white supremacy and those who espouse it as "the left". Language matters.
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The reason these movements have popped up is because white people feel they have been disenfranchised by the Democrats. There is a political correctness that is out of control where it is all right to demonize the white conservative but if you dare criticize minority groups you are labeled a racist.
This occurs in an ultra liberal city like New York where you cannot even say the slightest thing against a minority which has merit without being called hateful and a bigot. As a white woman, I have had derogatory remarks said about my Catholic faith and Irish heritage. Of course, I have called them out on this and said if I had said this about them I would be in a lot of trouble. They think twice about doing this to me again as they know I will not tolerate it.
Hateful groups of all kinds are wrong but we must condemn those on both the left and right political spectrum. What about the black lives matter movement. They were a hateful group that wanted to see police officers killed and had a disdain for white people. I have not heard too much criticism from liberal groups against these organizations. If you speak out against one group, tyou must speak out against all. That is the American way. Bigotry in all forms must be eliminated.
This occurs in an ultra liberal city like New York where you cannot even say the slightest thing against a minority which has merit without being called hateful and a bigot. As a white woman, I have had derogatory remarks said about my Catholic faith and Irish heritage. Of course, I have called them out on this and said if I had said this about them I would be in a lot of trouble. They think twice about doing this to me again as they know I will not tolerate it.
Hateful groups of all kinds are wrong but we must condemn those on both the left and right political spectrum. What about the black lives matter movement. They were a hateful group that wanted to see police officers killed and had a disdain for white people. I have not heard too much criticism from liberal groups against these organizations. If you speak out against one group, tyou must speak out against all. That is the American way. Bigotry in all forms must be eliminated.
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Well said.
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Let's just cut to the chase.
The reason these movements have "popped up" is because they've just had to endure two terms of a Black Man in the White House.
Of course, Trump's year and a half long campaign filled with race-baiting rhetoric helped too.
Any attempt to paint it any other way is sheer folly.
The reason these movements have "popped up" is because they've just had to endure two terms of a Black Man in the White House.
Of course, Trump's year and a half long campaign filled with race-baiting rhetoric helped too.
Any attempt to paint it any other way is sheer folly.
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Have you spoken out against the KKK, skinheads, and the other hate groups in this country?
The KKK has been in existence for more that a century and committed many crimes against innocent people. The Skinheads, only one of many such groups, came into being in the early 80's. The BLM movement started last year in reaction to cop shootings. One was a 12 year old boy.
And when you say something negative against a minority that you feel is so well deserved, are you talking about that one individual or coloring every member of the group you assume the person belongs to with the same broad strokes?
Perhaps if you separated the person from a group and crticized them as individuals, people wouldn't feel the need to call you on it.
Apparently you do the exact same thing you call out people doing to you.
Think about it.
The KKK has been in existence for more that a century and committed many crimes against innocent people. The Skinheads, only one of many such groups, came into being in the early 80's. The BLM movement started last year in reaction to cop shootings. One was a 12 year old boy.
And when you say something negative against a minority that you feel is so well deserved, are you talking about that one individual or coloring every member of the group you assume the person belongs to with the same broad strokes?
Perhaps if you separated the person from a group and crticized them as individuals, people wouldn't feel the need to call you on it.
Apparently you do the exact same thing you call out people doing to you.
Think about it.
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Free speech. Better to let them emerge from under their rocks and sheets. I'm surprised they have the "courage."
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Rappeport and Weiland deploy a quote about "supremacism," but supremacy implies "ruling over" someone and these nationalists instead seek an exit, to be "left alone," as they say. It's hard to rule over someone that doesn't occupy the same physical space, after all--as Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia confirm. I am reminded of the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode where Lt. Cmdr. Eddington tells his former captain that leaving the Federation is the one act that can't be forgiven, since no one should want to leave Paradise. The progressives will fight NPI tooth and nail, though, since they are the direct descendants of the Puritans who fear that someone, somewhere might be thinking an unapproved thought. Progressives consider themselves to be secular, scientific folk, but they surely nurse a religious spirit against anyone who disagrees with their catechism of tolerance, equality, progress, inclusion, and diversity.
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Beam him up, Scotty.
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Ah, yes. The White Supremicists as "victims" of Progressives. How predictable.
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"Progressives consider themselves to be secular, scientific folk, but they surely nurse a religious spirit against anyone who disagrees with their catechism of tolerance, equality, progress, inclusion, and diversity."
Religion is not a prerequisite to understanding the concepts of tolerance, equality, progress, inclusion, and diversity... No matter how many Deep Space Nine anecdotes you can stretch to support your warped ideology...
What will you use for your next profound "example"? The Adventures of Foghorn Leghorn?
Religion is not a prerequisite to understanding the concepts of tolerance, equality, progress, inclusion, and diversity... No matter how many Deep Space Nine anecdotes you can stretch to support your warped ideology...
What will you use for your next profound "example"? The Adventures of Foghorn Leghorn?
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So when will they be dismantling the Statue of Liberty and shipping it back to France with the oringinal Contitution tucked inside?
If these people truly want a white state, its time they bought an island and left the United States of America. They have clearly lost sight of what this country is and was always supposed to be.
If these people truly want a white state, its time they bought an island and left the United States of America. They have clearly lost sight of what this country is and was always supposed to be.
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We don't want any more refugees. We tried refugees and it brought us 911. America for Americans. Our Trump will solve all our refugee problems. Hail to the Chief.
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Sir, you dont know much history. 15.5 million natives reduced to 350,000 in 1900 when teddy roosevelt and most of the good white christians sought their complete extermination. Millions of murdered africans to enslave or lynch millions more, still do with acquittal immunity.
'We, the people'? Please. That meant only rich landed heterosexual, protestant, white men. Washington and jefferson enjoyed raping slave girls not unlike trump.
A nation always at war abroad, oppressive at home.
'We, the people'? Please. That meant only rich landed heterosexual, protestant, white men. Washington and jefferson enjoyed raping slave girls not unlike trump.
A nation always at war abroad, oppressive at home.
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Um...last time I checked...you guys lost.
As proud citizens of our already GREAT country, we must stay vigilant against these voices of hate. We all need to get along and learn to live together, regardless of race or religion. Speak out against this not-so-thinly veiled racism.
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Our Trump will soon fix dissent in our country. Hail to the Chief!
Just wait: it won't be long until your own dissent is 'fixed' by Trump.
Can he go back in time to the last eight years of congressional obstruction?
We Americans still have more to learn about stereotyping and discrimination and bigotry. These conceptions, attitudes and actions are destructive and cruel to other human beings.
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The Republican party is now officially in league with the Aryan Brotherhood, the ultraviolent white supremacy organization headquartered in prisons around the country. The soon-to-be senior White House advisor has a firm grip on the president-elect's ear and his alt-right views may soon dictate the future course of American government and society.
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Please wait until Our Trump is sworn in. Don't play your hand yet. We've waited for generations for this moment, so we can wait till after the holidays. Let Our Trump give the signal. Hail to the Chief!
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What signal is that? What have you been waiting for?
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To do our patriotic duty as citizens of the USA. To obey the will of Our Trump. Hail to the Chief!
Phil Dolan, I believe you meant to say 'Heil to the Chief!'
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Will there be a Muslim registry? Will rapes decrease when Mexicans ("they're rapists") are deported? Will Trump use the Pence punishment solution for women who have had abortions: forced attendance at a fetus funeral? Will you know about any of this if American libel laws are strengthened as proposed? Will they lock Hillary up?
We keep hearing about voters who voted for Trump because they wanted a better economy. We are told they are not racist and they are "good" people just tired of the decline in their economic prospects. At the end of WWII, when "good" everyday Germans explained that they supported Hitler for a better economy and had no idea that he would really act on his racist rants, the world was appropriately dismissive and disbelieving. I do not forgive their actions but I'm seeing for the first time how they were duped.
Which standard should we hold Trump voters to?
We keep hearing about voters who voted for Trump because they wanted a better economy. We are told they are not racist and they are "good" people just tired of the decline in their economic prospects. At the end of WWII, when "good" everyday Germans explained that they supported Hitler for a better economy and had no idea that he would really act on his racist rants, the world was appropriately dismissive and disbelieving. I do not forgive their actions but I'm seeing for the first time how they were duped.
Which standard should we hold Trump voters to?
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Why shouldn’t HRC be prosecuted for corruption and if indicted and convicted why shouldn’t she be imprisoned? Or are you pleading for her “white privilege"?
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And Yes. Our Trump will soon answer all dissent. Hail to the Chief! Read the words to "Hail to the Chief". That is your answer. Which standards? The standards which maintain the purity of the Republican Party and the great Red State revolution!! Hail to the Chief.
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Your man just paid out $25 million dollars to settle the Trump University fraud case. He said himself that he never settles, that settling is an admission of guilt so good luck with your president.
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These mostly young Caucasian guys want a white "ethno-state" where they be left alone ? And also consider themselves an intellectual vanguard ? More likely they're going to have to settle for a higher profile of annoyance (mostly on-line) for the rest of us.
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This is a direct result of conservatives\republicans\libertarians\independents ( basically all the same thing ) moving the political spectrum over 30 years to the extreme right.
It now touches and includes all the dregs of society.
It now touches and includes all the dregs of society.
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No sir, that is not correct. A capital C conservative is very different from all of the above groups you mentioned and I would hardly call an independent the same as a Libertarian.
Yeah, you are as Ilinformed as the statement you made. Worry about Ireland, the US is gonna be just fine.
There is no way we would have a trump today if we didnt have an Obama. HRC lost because of hitching a ride on the Obama train ... this election was all obama's doing, c'mon it is so clear stop blaming others... Obama's legacy will be all that TRump will bring and that is a fact.
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The only thing that keeps the U.S. competitive are our top universities and students from throughout the globe who study there and subsequently work here. The U.S. cannot compete on a global basis without the smartest people in the world. Curing diseases and inventing new technologies, these things require global thinking. The fastest way to destroy this country is to prevent motivated intelligent people from moving here. And this phenomena is already starting to happen, as more international students are choosing China over the U.S., which is an indication of the rise in status, security, and perceived opportunity of China over the U.S. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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I certainly hope that foreigners start boycotting US universities in favour of institutions of higher learning in Canada, Australia and other saner democracies.
The admiring goon squad of the nascent Trump Administration is waiting for the slightest chance to strike out at those foreigners who dare to study 'hard' majors in STEM fields, making the native-born Americans look slow and unmotivated. A disaster is in the making in America, of solely domestic origin.
The admiring goon squad of the nascent Trump Administration is waiting for the slightest chance to strike out at those foreigners who dare to study 'hard' majors in STEM fields, making the native-born Americans look slow and unmotivated. A disaster is in the making in America, of solely domestic origin.
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Those who seek their fortune in China will learn that a true middle class cannot be conjured by state command. China’s bourgeoise is a Potemkin village.
Roberta,
Exactly. And a corollary to this is that many decent, talented Americans (both those who are white AND those who happen to be among the targeted minorities) are leaving this country, if they have the means to do so. I have an adult child (an American-born citizen) enrolled in a graduate program at a prestigious U.S. university, who can't wait to complete the program and look for opportunities in Europe or Canada. This will only hasten the brain drain, leaving the U.S. an ignorant backwater of a nation. I have no sympathy at all for those Americans who voted for Trump (or who didn't bother to vote at all) and who will have to live here. You alone are responsible for this destruction. For the rest of you, a sincere prayer for your safety and well-being.
Exactly. And a corollary to this is that many decent, talented Americans (both those who are white AND those who happen to be among the targeted minorities) are leaving this country, if they have the means to do so. I have an adult child (an American-born citizen) enrolled in a graduate program at a prestigious U.S. university, who can't wait to complete the program and look for opportunities in Europe or Canada. This will only hasten the brain drain, leaving the U.S. an ignorant backwater of a nation. I have no sympathy at all for those Americans who voted for Trump (or who didn't bother to vote at all) and who will have to live here. You alone are responsible for this destruction. For the rest of you, a sincere prayer for your safety and well-being.
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Why do you keep using the term "alt-right"? This only serves to normalize and mainstream the views of this group. It's a term they can hide behind to achieve legitimacy in the press.
This is racism, plain and simple. The term "white supremacists" is the accurate term.
As you finally used the word "lie" for Trump's lies, now you must use the words that actually describe the beliefs of this group.
This is racism, plain and simple. The term "white supremacists" is the accurate term.
As you finally used the word "lie" for Trump's lies, now you must use the words that actually describe the beliefs of this group.
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In a multiethnic nation like like the U.S. you have to expect European Americans to develop their own advocacy groups. Their future here is as a minority and they have to battle for their peace of the pie. Other minorities have advocacy groups why not them?
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Not white over black. It is drawing the line at “white entitlement” forced re-education in K-College. It is the constant refrain that white, Anglo, male, Christians are to be neutered and rendered docile. That we don’t play dead and roll over shocks?
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I have so many questions that this article does not answer. What is the alt right? Is it anyone who voted Trump? Is one to believe that a vote for Trump is a vote for racism? I ask this because I voted for Trump. But I voted for him because I believe we need a southern border..that without borders we are no longer a country. I voted for him because I want the big donors out of controlling both Republican and Democrat parties. I voted Trump, so that my retirement savings makes more than .01% like it has for 8 years. But one thing I definitely am not is a racist. It's hard to be racial when I have beloved family members from 10 different countries. Because all those family members, got in line and came here legally. But I suspect the Coastal elites do not care why I voted against them.
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You are going to be in for a rude nasty surprise. Donald Trump's tax plans helps big corporations, the rich. Watch him these past two weeks. He has been focused on meeting with business partners, selling access to foreign diplomats who stay at Trump properties. His plans to deport "criminal illegals" involves a dragnet, which will sweep up US citizens, violating their civil rights. If you weren't "racist" (inspite of his rhetoric, and his recent appointment of Bannon and nomination of Sessions), then you are incredibly gullible. You get to vote though, taking both the safety of your multi-cultural family and this country down with you,
Your intent may not have been to empower white supremacists, but the impact of your vote did exactly that. Perhaps you will call out Trump on choosing officials like Steve Bannon who support those views. There are petitions you can sign asking Trump to fire him.
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You aren't part of the alt-right. Alt-right is a very specific group of right-wingers who believe that preserving their European identity, not the declaration of independence or the U.S. Constitution, should form the laws and future of our country. The alt-right has been emboldened during this election because of Trump's straightforwardness in making some of their points, but they are a radical fringe and Donald Trump is not actually an alt-righter, despite many attempts at making him seem like he is.
Can't wait for the next round of arguments on how this election wasn't actually about racism. Folks, that's exactly what it was about.
NYT, please stop using the self-coined term "alt right" for these racists. It normalizes and sanitizes what they are.
NYT, please stop using the self-coined term "alt right" for these racists. It normalizes and sanitizes what they are.
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Hurling the word "racist" at folks you don't agree with doesn't seem to be working to well anymore. You people need to come up with something new.
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Agree. White supremacist is a much better term for the reality. I could think of much worse.
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If it were all about racism, how do you explain all the Obama voters who voted for Trump?
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Please do not refer to white supremacists as "nationalists."
Call them what they are: radical domestic terrorists. Use a name that actually describes who and what they are, the violence they propose and the danger they represent to our country and the world.
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Using a euphemism like "white nationalist" is like saying Jeffrey Dahmer was a troubled soul with an eating disorder.
Call them what they are: radical domestic terrorists. Use a name that actually describes who and what they are, the violence they propose and the danger they represent to our country and the world.
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Using a euphemism like "white nationalist" is like saying Jeffrey Dahmer was a troubled soul with an eating disorder.
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The #AltRight is all wrong. Europe has dodged the AltRight bullet in part because of laws prohibiting incitement to hatred. If the USA had anti-incitement laws, Trump would have been indicted when he announced his candidacy, and called Mexicans rapists.
Trump sailed to power via inciting hatred and violence at his rallies. America the free is now suffering because of its freedom.
We've watched France struggle with the minority-hating National Front for years now. Trump sailed into power before most Americans had even a vague understanding of the type of politics he champions. This is a true historic tragedy.
Trump sailed to power via inciting hatred and violence at his rallies. America the free is now suffering because of its freedom.
We've watched France struggle with the minority-hating National Front for years now. Trump sailed into power before most Americans had even a vague understanding of the type of politics he champions. This is a true historic tragedy.
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You need to read the newspapers. The hard right is coming on strong in Europe. The alt right can only dream about that kind of progress here in the U.S.
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1933 Germany redux. Absolutely frightening.
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Isn't chicken piccata an Italian recipe? Aren't they a little suspect, being kind is swarthy and all? Just asking?
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It is indeed, they love the food, just not the southern Italian skin color.
McConnell famously said :"let's make sure Obama is a one term president" no quarter on any policy from Obama. why I her even Sanders saying how will work with Trump on things of common interest. sorry Democrats but this is exactly what got you (and us) in trouble. No appeasement, no quarter, let's make Trump a one term president, this should be your only focus, every single policy from Trump should be opposed, because every single bipartisan cooperation will be used by him to his own advantage and turned on its head.
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Let's make trump a "no-term president". File the impeachment papers on inauguration day and take the vote.
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Every other "ethnic" group can organize for their interests. Why not Whites??
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Yeah, why not, huh? Maybe because if you are white in America, you already start with the privilege of being a member of the dominant culture. Wasn't there a movement 80 years ago for Aryan purity? It was called Nazism. That turned out real well. White Supremacy, can't get more racist than that.
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Such a foolish question makes me fear even more for the relative peace and prosperity reigning in the United States today. Sounds like you need a time machine to return to South Africa circa 1965.....
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One is about equality and one is about superiority.
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Thank you for your continuing coverage of the alarming mainstreaming of this historical movement of hatred reborn and rebranded.
Please refrain from legitimizing the term "white nationalism" - this is merely "white supremacy" under an attempted more palatable guise.
The entry of this term into our national conversation is another indicator of the normalizing of hate speech and hate ideology. Please resist this trend.
Please refrain from legitimizing the term "white nationalism" - this is merely "white supremacy" under an attempted more palatable guise.
The entry of this term into our national conversation is another indicator of the normalizing of hate speech and hate ideology. Please resist this trend.
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The appeasers who call these rabble rousers 'alt right' are the same people who will drive loads of decent law-abiding citizens to quit the American territory out of fear of their personal safety. Rabbi, thousands of French Jews have been immigrating to Israel against the backdrop of recent anti-Semitic crimes-- grim food for thought.
And his son-in-law son-in-law, Jared Kushner, an Orthodox Jew, seems to be in favor of his father-in-laws picks. Where's his Rabbi on all this?
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Most supporters of the Party of Trump are quick to take umbrage if you paint them with a racist brush brush, "not me" they say, and "you just don't get it", they accuse. Point to blossoming spray paint swatiskas, and they dismiss it as peripheral to the Party of Trump; ask why Steve Bannon holds such a prominent position, they mumble its just Trump and inconsequential. For the last 8 years they have wailed "the country is ruined" and for the last year, "make America Great Again", vacuous phrases that fail to explain how it is a country that recovered from the Great Recession, has Isis in retreat, is ruined, and what precisely it is we lack that doesn't make us Great. The White Nationalists celebrating this week know the answer, and its unabashably all about the skin color of our leader(s). The typical Trump supporter will disavow this of course, but I suspect most of them feel American today is Great Again. The proof will lie a year or so from now when the Wall isn't built, Mexico hasn't paid anything, 1950s smokestack industries are still shuttered, west virgina coal is still not mined because natural gas is cheaper, and the price of everything imported from gas to Wal Mart geegawas goes up, these people will be smugly saying, America is Great Once More, and BTW, I am not racist.
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For 8 years I have been called a racist because I disagreed with this President's policies. I'm 70, being called a racist used to be the worst insult you could hurl at anyone. It has lost it's sting because it has been thrown about with no thought whatsoever. And that is a shame..because racism is truly a horrible thing. After arguing with liberals for 8 years, here is my take on your thoughts. When you guys start to lose the argument, your last word is to call the other person a racist. You need to stop that, it isn't helping your cause. There were many thoughtful, intelligent people who voted Trump. Unless you really believe that 50 million people are stupid racists. Do you?
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Ms. Souza, By supporting a person who espouses racist and misogynistic positions and beliefs makes you a racist and misogynist. The fact that he has some positions you agree with doesn't mitigate the fact that he is a racist and misogynist. Nor does it mitigate the fact that putting your preferences (however thoughtful or intelligent) ahead of the fact that doing so marginalizes entire groups of people is purely racist and misogynistic. You cannot hide behind a "I like his tax policy" kind of statement and ignore his racist policies. Calling a racist a racist does not reduce the sting as it is clearly is having an effect.
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@Helen Souza: So interesting that you say being called a racist has lost its "sting"; for those of us who have been subject to racist harassment, the "sting" is very real.
But I do agree with you, 50 million people aren't stupid racists. A lot of you are quite intelligent.
But I do agree with you, 50 million people aren't stupid racists. A lot of you are quite intelligent.
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Why is that we are tolerating white racist supremacists, but lost all perspective over Jeremiah Wright? President Obama spent eight years trying to soothe white anxiety. It didn't work. As the presidential candidate he had to give an entire race speech and denounce Jeremiah Wright. But the narcissist-elect is allowed to pretend he has no idea about the rise in hate crimes or that he's embraced by white supremacists. Democrats are silent. The media are silent. Yet Trump supporters are calling on a Justice Department investigation of Black Lives Matter. Again, silence. I hope people of color are getting the message. Your party and your representatives are complacent and complicit in the rise of white supremacy. What do we do next?
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Try voting next time. Hillary would have won with 100k-ish votes in PA, MI, and WI.
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The Democrtas are a waste of space. Their 'leadership' is dangerous. Don't give Trump an inch or Americans and the world will live to regret it.
Jeremiah Wright came and went very quickly, so it's probably a stretch to say that President Obama has spent eight years "trying to soothe white anxiety"
If anything, he has had to spend eight years getting beyond the 'Birther Movement'.
If anything, he has had to spend eight years getting beyond the 'Birther Movement'.
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If Donald Trump does not espouse the views of xenophobia, mysogeny, and racism he should come out and say so. A good majority of the country is panicked by the positions his team appears to have on these, and by the growing public expression of these ideas. It would be powerful and easy for him to clarify his stance and assuage fears. His silence is deafening.
My fear goes beyond what I hear around me. Our politicians are responsible for turning America into, essentially, an oligarchy. And now I see a bussiness man - and nothing else - who seems willing, and potentialy able, to dismantle the democracy and the freedoms we have grown accustomed to (and take profoundly for granted), for his own bottomline - whatever that may be. I see a man willing to flagrantly violate truth, tradition, and law to serve his cause, at any expense.
I fear all of us will underestimate his baseness and we'll wake up in four years and find we won't be having an election that he isn't guaranteed to win. Our government is imperfect. But it's given us freedoms that surpass those in most of the world. It's hard to build a democracy. But it's pretty easy to tear it down. The media is in question. The validity of the supreme court appointee and electoral college is in question. People wanted to throw out the bathwater. I see the baby going with it. I hope we keep our eyes wide open and our voices and activism committed and unrelenting, - and don't just tweet the end of this America.
My fear goes beyond what I hear around me. Our politicians are responsible for turning America into, essentially, an oligarchy. And now I see a bussiness man - and nothing else - who seems willing, and potentialy able, to dismantle the democracy and the freedoms we have grown accustomed to (and take profoundly for granted), for his own bottomline - whatever that may be. I see a man willing to flagrantly violate truth, tradition, and law to serve his cause, at any expense.
I fear all of us will underestimate his baseness and we'll wake up in four years and find we won't be having an election that he isn't guaranteed to win. Our government is imperfect. But it's given us freedoms that surpass those in most of the world. It's hard to build a democracy. But it's pretty easy to tear it down. The media is in question. The validity of the supreme court appointee and electoral college is in question. People wanted to throw out the bathwater. I see the baby going with it. I hope we keep our eyes wide open and our voices and activism committed and unrelenting, - and don't just tweet the end of this America.
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Spot on!
It's worthy of the NYTimes to report on what these white nationalists are up to but I also would request a little perspective. This is a few hundred bozos who are clearly fringe and taking them more seriously than we should confers a certain legitimacy that is not deserved.
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Unfortunately, it's not true that the white nationalists are a tiny fringe. Go and look at alt-right websites like Breitbart. There are thousands of comments under any article that even touches on race or nationality, a huge number of them talking about ways to make the West majority white again. Then take a look at sites like vdare and you'll see the same thing.
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I think the number might be in the tens of thousands. Can you find out NYTs?
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This is a world wide phenomenon and should not be dismissed as a fringe element. Pay close attention to Europe and the Russian influence on our election, something is being cultivated here that is similar to the rise of the 3rd Reich.
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This is who Trump is. And the 47% minority that elected him bear the guilt.
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They represent only 21% of the electorate since only 53% of the electorate turned up to vote. And across WI, MI, and PA the net advantage for Mr. Trump was 53,000 votes that gave him his electoral college boost. Suffice it to state that the fringe found a way to shoot to prominence with fringe support.
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Variations in human skin tone is as fundamental to life on Earth as a field of rainbow-hued flowers. Life on Earth is infinitely varied and intricately synchronistic, although tragically confused by a history and system that lives in darkness and fear of it's own existence. Human unity is our innate and only future. Finally, racists of any stripe may as well be drops of water on a hot sidewalk vanishing under the unrelenting heat of an irresistibly blazing sun.
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Human unity may be our only future, but there is certainly no evidence that it is innate.
Humanity has a long, bloody and persistent history of going to war against the "other" -- and it continues today.
Humanity has a long, bloody and persistent history of going to war against the "other" -- and it continues today.
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Jeff, I guess you're questioning whether humans have a free will to choose the course of our lives moment-to-moment, or whether we are like all other mammals and captives of our instincts unable to live outside of the laws of nature. I see our creative intelligence allowing us to fly through the skies, live under the water, and gather all of the news of the day in one place. Is this not evidence that we are innately capable of self-determination, unlike other animals?
Granted, human history is replete with organized violence against one another. But now we can see the whole of humanity, across history and in this very moment. Just as we as individuals have grown into cooperative maturity, we are now experiencing the turbulent transition into maturity collectively, consciously as one organism. This is the promised story of every Earthly religion, regardless of our current and historical immaturity.
But simply because we are innately capable of unity does not mean that we will collectively achieve it without struggle, or even at all. Other civilizations have failed. We are in the throes of finding out who we are and choosing if we are worthy of life on this beautiful planet.. The choice can only be unity or human failure.
Granted, human history is replete with organized violence against one another. But now we can see the whole of humanity, across history and in this very moment. Just as we as individuals have grown into cooperative maturity, we are now experiencing the turbulent transition into maturity collectively, consciously as one organism. This is the promised story of every Earthly religion, regardless of our current and historical immaturity.
But simply because we are innately capable of unity does not mean that we will collectively achieve it without struggle, or even at all. Other civilizations have failed. We are in the throes of finding out who we are and choosing if we are worthy of life on this beautiful planet.. The choice can only be unity or human failure.
Actually we're biologically wired to behave tribally. Multiculturalism goes against human nature.
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In the 2008, 2012 and 2016 Presidential elections 57%, 59% and 58% of white Americans voted white McCain/Palin, Romney/Ryan and then Trump/Pence. The Republican Party as the political party of a majority of white American voters is thus the natural nurturing party of white supremacist American nationalism.
Thanks to a historical legacy of humanity denying African enslavement and equality defying Jim Crow, Barack Hussein Obama is not half-white by biological nature nor all white by cultural nurture in these United States of America.
Thanks to a historical legacy of humanity denying African enslavement and equality defying Jim Crow, Barack Hussein Obama is not half-white by biological nature nor all white by cultural nurture in these United States of America.
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How is the desire of whites to have their own "ethno-state" where they "can be left alone" different from black college students who want "safe places" where they can be left alone?
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You've got all of Europe!
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For one thing it's about power. Black college students are a tiny minority of the population (Black people as a whole only make up about 13% of the population of the U.S.). White people are still the majority, still hold most positions of power, and are not in any danger of being marginalized.
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The difference is between a country, a nation, and a college campus, where their status is temporary.
College campuses have always been places advocating change. Or are you conveniently forgetting the sixties?
I'm sure the indigenous peoples all over the world wish they had been left alone.
College campuses have always been places advocating change. Or are you conveniently forgetting the sixties?
I'm sure the indigenous peoples all over the world wish they had been left alone.
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While everyone who voted for Trump may not have been a racist, without the racist vote he would not have been elected president
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Whatever they may be personally, everyone who voted for Trump knew full well that HE is a racist, hate spewing demagogue. And they like that.
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Their are racists and racist supporters......Frank,
can you clarify the difference?
can you clarify the difference?
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I think many chose to ignore the ugly racist and misogynistic comments, in the false hope that their manufacturing and steel jobs would come back. A false hope based on nothing more than Trumps words.
The white supremacists can preen about all they want, it will not change the demographics of the country one bit and they’ll soon be crawling back into their self-pitying little holes. It’s called “progress” for a reason and, as in this election, while competing ideology periodically forces us all to take a couple of steps back, progress will march on.
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I don't understand this euphemism. These are not "white nationalists". Nationalists would be people who believed in America, and America's ideals, which include equality, liberty, and welcoming immigrants. These are "white supremacists", which is a nice term for "Nazis". They are racist, small-minded fools, believing in something that does not exist, ie: the supremacy of a particular race.
These Nazis must be instructed as to why they are so wrong. This is, unfortunately, a tough thing to do with Trump in the white house. For the next four years, we had better be on guard against these Nazis at all times. They are a great evil, probably the worst internal threat America has ever faced. I pray for their destruction.
These Nazis must be instructed as to why they are so wrong. This is, unfortunately, a tough thing to do with Trump in the white house. For the next four years, we had better be on guard against these Nazis at all times. They are a great evil, probably the worst internal threat America has ever faced. I pray for their destruction.
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Actually America has historically been not welcoming to PoC. The very first law regarding naturalization was passed in 1794 and it specified that citizenship was only open to white people. Until the Hart-Cellar act passed the only significant population of nonwhites in America other than native Americans were brought here as slaves. The only way the Hart-Cellar act made it through was because white people were assured it wouldn't change the demographics of the country. So in a sense, these people are espousing an Americanism that was Americanism for around 75% of the country's history. They just don't seem to have gotten the message that historical American values are no longer relevant. It's 2016 now not 1916.
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We must not trivialize them but understand they mean what they say - politicians seem to have no response. This lack of ethical leadership demonstrates they deny this threat to us all. Ironic they were eating an Italian dish as early Italian immigrants were themselves attacked as 'black' and non-American in the 20's, subjected to segregation in many areas.
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Don't pray (or should that be mourn), organise!
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Half of Americans who went to the polls cast a vote for Trump. A negligible percentage of them subscribe to what these neanderthals do. The culture Trump supporters and many Americans want to preserve is our American culture. A melting pot of people who deeply value our constitution, our freedoms, and our way of life. These people do not want to preserve those same freedoms. They should run some candidates in the midterm elections and watch how soundly rejected they will be.
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Less than half the voters voted for Trump.
And "these" people did run their candidate and he won.
And "these" people did run their candidate and he won.
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And let us ALL be mindful of our language; The majority of Americans voting choice Hillary Rodham Clinton. And 6 million others chose Johnson,Stein or a write in.
he was elected by a 46 % PLURALITY.
NOT a majority. 54% voted Clinton. Stein, Johnson or someone else. He LOST the popular vote.
The majority of Americans did NOT vote for Trump.
He is a MINORITY president.
Don't EVER forget this and don't EVER stop saying it. We have to never let him claim majority or mandate. Embed this in your brain as you speak, write and rally others.
he was elected by a 46 % PLURALITY.
NOT a majority. 54% voted Clinton. Stein, Johnson or someone else. He LOST the popular vote.
The majority of Americans did NOT vote for Trump.
He is a MINORITY president.
Don't EVER forget this and don't EVER stop saying it. We have to never let him claim majority or mandate. Embed this in your brain as you speak, write and rally others.
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The alt-right is not a fringe group. It represents many of the ideas of millions of Trump supporters who won't self-identify because the social price of doing so is too high. At least for now.
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So there are millions of Americans that buy into Fascism? That is very worrying, but I don't believe it's true. Millions of racists, now that's certainly true, but Nazis? Good people of America - get organised. No platform for Nazis. Give them an inch and they will destroy democracy (even the USA's rather limited form of democracy - UK is equally dificient in that regard).
Horrifying that this group feels so emboldened! They certainly make it clear that their allegiance is not to America but to the "white" race as they define it. I agree with the writer Patrick Stevens that our country is in deep trouble.
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Our country *was in big trouble. Obama single-handedly brought the USA back to the 1960's, as was always the plan, because the democrats cannot survive without the monolithic black vote. If blacks begin to succeed (as they will under Trump), the democrats will never win another political race again.
Bon Voyage party of the KKK and slavery.
Bon Voyage party of the KKK and slavery.
Dont forget the Evangelical Theocrats that seek to turn thier twisted moral and ethical dogmas into federal laws that grant only thier faith true citizenship and every other is second class.
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Trump wants to deport millions of immigrants. A daunting and ugly task that the majority of citizens do not support. It would be far easier to accomplish and certainly less expensive if we just put these racist fools on a boat and deported them. Let them float around looking for their all white land.
It has been an awakening. This complacent white liberal is ready to walk the walk with all of my fellow citizens to oppose and eradicate the beast within our great nation. No more can we sit back.
It has been an awakening. This complacent white liberal is ready to walk the walk with all of my fellow citizens to oppose and eradicate the beast within our great nation. No more can we sit back.
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To be fair, Trump wants to deport "illegal" immigrants. This is not an open border nation, yet.
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Erick Erickson, a conservative blogger and commentator who has been critical of Mr. Trump. “I don’t think they will ever be accepted wholeheartedly in the Republican Party.”
And what do you think the southern strategy was and is Mr. Erickson, a cook book? The racists not only have been accepted by the Republican Party but they are now running the party. I am sorry for the non-racist republicans who by association are deemed to either be racist or accommodate racists. Yes leaders of the house, senate, Supreme Court, our new A.G. and many others that means you.
And what do you think the southern strategy was and is Mr. Erickson, a cook book? The racists not only have been accepted by the Republican Party but they are now running the party. I am sorry for the non-racist republicans who by association are deemed to either be racist or accommodate racists. Yes leaders of the house, senate, Supreme Court, our new A.G. and many others that means you.
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Sad that the party of Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens has come to this. And it's not just a 'Southern strategy' any more. Bannon is a Fascist who wants to 'destroy the left'and to supplant the Republican Party with something altogether more alt-right i.e. Nazis, according to the Hollywood Reporter.
The President-elect could do some good in this divisive matter. He could speak out repeatedly against this kind of racist, separatist talk. These are some of the people who elected him. Maybe his words can get through to them. Maybe his words could get some of them to think rationally about what damage they're doing to all of us.
No, he can't get them to like minorities or others who are "different". However, is simple toleration beyond their grasp?
The election is over, now Trump must learn to govern...ALL of us, not just his chosen few.
trump could do some real good by speaking out repeatedly. But, I fear he won't. I fear that he agrees with them. Does he not see that the fabric of this Country is being torn apart?
No, he can't get them to like minorities or others who are "different". However, is simple toleration beyond their grasp?
The election is over, now Trump must learn to govern...ALL of us, not just his chosen few.
trump could do some real good by speaking out repeatedly. But, I fear he won't. I fear that he agrees with them. Does he not see that the fabric of this Country is being torn apart?
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I fear you are right. But let's stop talking fear and talk about anger and action.
It is beyond belief that racists celebrate the election of any presidential candidate. Our country is in deep. deep trouble. Put your hoods back on "White Nationalists". The future is now.
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Thank you sirs for this piece. After reading it, I am now proudly with her, her being Senator Elizabeth Warren, who is exactly the sort of firebrand opposition to Trumpwe need. She offers the only way to deal with people of this ilk. On this issue, no decent. person opposed to this sort of thinking has the luxury of being quiet or compromising.
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The clueless alt-right should learn that their ancestors all came from Africa and that there is no such thing as race.
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Glennmr...Yes. At one point, all of our ancestors were black. Even today, beneath that thin veneer of skin, our muscles, tendons, blood, etc. are the very same color.
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"there is no such thing as race."
This is not correct. There are races but they do not need to claim supremacy over the rest.
This is not correct. There are races but they do not need to claim supremacy over the rest.
If these people are not happy here they should move a place that is white like northern Siberia. I'm sure Vlad would welcome them with open arms
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Siberia wouldn't work for them either...way too may Asians.
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Yes I agree. That would be a perfect place to build their ethno-state.
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Antarctica would be okay as well.
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"The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark."
- Michelangelo
And we can all rest assured that Michelangelo would appreciate the image of his masterpiece serving as the "Become Who We Are" backdrop for these clueless dolts. With the election of Donald Trump, it is clear they have achieved their mark.
- Michelangelo
And we can all rest assured that Michelangelo would appreciate the image of his masterpiece serving as the "Become Who We Are" backdrop for these clueless dolts. With the election of Donald Trump, it is clear they have achieved their mark.
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The first thing American Whites who feel they are waking up should do is go to school and get an education. They should try to learn and not fall asleep in class. This will help them develop critical thinking skills so next time around they don`t fall pray to the first narcissist megalomaniac who tells them what they want to hear.
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Learn? Think? What quaint notions. Too many of "them" think only with that reptilian portion of their brains.
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"They should try to learn and not fall asleep in class."
Real learning starts after leaving the school. This is only the beginning. Even being a successful professional does not make you an educated and well informed person. Trump is the best example.
Real learning starts after leaving the school. This is only the beginning. Even being a successful professional does not make you an educated and well informed person. Trump is the best example.
You are right, but formal education, even when it doesn`t succeed in making you a well informed person, it does immunize you to some extent against being captured by a fascist megalomaniac like Trump.
History teaches for those willing to learn that revolutions come ever so slowly until one day when it appears everyone is shocked.
More recent revolutions of note are those in China, Russia, Cuba, Spain, Iran, Iraq, Syria, South Africa, etc. First there is unrest and demands for change. Those in power resist peaceful agents of change and then the alternative comes into play. For simplicity, American organized counter revolutions are skipped for this discussion; most based in Central and South America with a sprinkling in the Far and Mid-east.
People in power do not yield their power peacefully. They resist. And that resistance gets more violent as the tools of repression are increasing used to calm, quell and then destroy those seeking a fairer and more equitable government.
In Czarist Russia this is well documented. WW I was the agent to make change possible as the Czar thought himself infallible as a Pope and the Kerensky government interlopers became a stop gap effort to avoid total revolution and change in the power structure. It failed. It failed in Cuba when Castro displaced a corrupt government supported by the USA. It failed in China and Iran for the same reason.
And now the revolution has come home with each side facing extinction as the republican form of democracy fails.
The sides: one percent against 99 percent. Some whites against 11,000,000 immigrants, 45,000,000 blacks, and millions of Native Americans and many women, gays, etc.
Should be quite the show.
More recent revolutions of note are those in China, Russia, Cuba, Spain, Iran, Iraq, Syria, South Africa, etc. First there is unrest and demands for change. Those in power resist peaceful agents of change and then the alternative comes into play. For simplicity, American organized counter revolutions are skipped for this discussion; most based in Central and South America with a sprinkling in the Far and Mid-east.
People in power do not yield their power peacefully. They resist. And that resistance gets more violent as the tools of repression are increasing used to calm, quell and then destroy those seeking a fairer and more equitable government.
In Czarist Russia this is well documented. WW I was the agent to make change possible as the Czar thought himself infallible as a Pope and the Kerensky government interlopers became a stop gap effort to avoid total revolution and change in the power structure. It failed. It failed in Cuba when Castro displaced a corrupt government supported by the USA. It failed in China and Iran for the same reason.
And now the revolution has come home with each side facing extinction as the republican form of democracy fails.
The sides: one percent against 99 percent. Some whites against 11,000,000 immigrants, 45,000,000 blacks, and millions of Native Americans and many women, gays, etc.
Should be quite the show.
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Please keep reporting, and naming, the supporters of this disgusting racist movement. The internet is forever and this association will come back to haunt them. They feel powerful and safe when huddled in their little groups but the rest of us are watching and taking notes. Social media has shown me who, in my circle, are to be watched closely. I may not block them or even unfollow them but their views are noted.
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As the New White celebrates its days in the sun, bloodying noses, spraypainting the walls mosques and community centers, all the voters who sat it out because Hillary Clinton wasn't quite to their liking, they can look outside and get a good eyeful of the mess they've created.
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Stupid Dem leaders shouldn't have blocked Bernie. America needs a party for working people, independent of the elite and their money. Workers of the world unite - it's the only way to get our money back off the rich and to undermine racism and sexism. People's ideas change through struggle. When people aren't fighting back they are more open to the rubbish from the media etc. And as we now see all to clearly, things can go backwards unless we get rid of the system that regenerates racism and sexism every generation or when their system is in crisis and needs scapegoats. Capitalism works for the elite, of which Trump is a member. The last US crisis in the 60s, the ruling class was just about able to buy social peace as the world was in the middle of the long post-war boom. Not so today.
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Yes, and you have opened the way to these people with a drumbeat of advocacy for illegal immigration, which you will no longer even call by an honest name.
Every day in the Times we see more sob stories about people who came here illegally and are now oh so terribly upset that they will have to go home.
We see more articles about transsexuals in bathrooms than we do about the plight of working Americans who have seen their jobs sent overseas to low wage countries.
As a bisexual half-Jewish quarter-Hispanic part black American, I have every reason to fear these people.
But what you fail to see is that your obsession with identity politics to the exclusion of truth, freedom, sense, and labor is what has delivered the country into their care.
But how many articles have I see in the Times about the end of white America?
Maybe you gave these people something to be scared of, too.
Every day in the Times we see more sob stories about people who came here illegally and are now oh so terribly upset that they will have to go home.
We see more articles about transsexuals in bathrooms than we do about the plight of working Americans who have seen their jobs sent overseas to low wage countries.
As a bisexual half-Jewish quarter-Hispanic part black American, I have every reason to fear these people.
But what you fail to see is that your obsession with identity politics to the exclusion of truth, freedom, sense, and labor is what has delivered the country into their care.
But how many articles have I see in the Times about the end of white America?
Maybe you gave these people something to be scared of, too.
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Identity politics? Josh, it seems the White Nationalists and their God Emperor Trump are the ones trafficking in identity politics.
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This is very well stated. The Times' articles on this phenomenon are formulaic : they excoriate even the hint of white identity politics while ignoring or excusing the exclusionary actions of some black and women's groups, and going far out of the way to praise them. The Times is strong on depicting the failures of white Christians, but ignores utterly all that they have brought to this country--indeed, the very structure of legal rights within which other groups assert themselves.
No wonder the Times no longer is recognized as an impartial voice. It is agenda-driven, and this flows through to its news reporting.
No wonder the Times no longer is recognized as an impartial voice. It is agenda-driven, and this flows through to its news reporting.
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Just so!
The NYT ran an op-ed a day or so ago, about polluted drinking water in Appalachia coal mining districts, citing how ignored the problem was compared to the outcry in Flint.
The comments mostly said that the coal miners should lie in the bed they have made, blaming them for resisting the EPA and mine regulations. Apparently if you are a poor minority in the city, you are unable to overcome the corruption of local government and businesses. If you are poor white and rural, it is your fault for not standing up to the corruption and voting properly. Never mind that voting against the mining companies would result in the loss of your job and the loss of the company owned home you live in.
The extremes of both sides are missing the majority of us in the middle who just want all the snarking and name calling to stop. We are Americans and we need to relinquish the need to be sorted into special identity groups. I for one always check the "other" box and write in "American".
The NYT ran an op-ed a day or so ago, about polluted drinking water in Appalachia coal mining districts, citing how ignored the problem was compared to the outcry in Flint.
The comments mostly said that the coal miners should lie in the bed they have made, blaming them for resisting the EPA and mine regulations. Apparently if you are a poor minority in the city, you are unable to overcome the corruption of local government and businesses. If you are poor white and rural, it is your fault for not standing up to the corruption and voting properly. Never mind that voting against the mining companies would result in the loss of your job and the loss of the company owned home you live in.
The extremes of both sides are missing the majority of us in the middle who just want all the snarking and name calling to stop. We are Americans and we need to relinquish the need to be sorted into special identity groups. I for one always check the "other" box and write in "American".
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Being a propaganda force for the democrat party give the new kook times immense credibility. How fortuitous a citizenry to have such a beacon of truth to fight the hordes of racist and nationalistic Americans who seek nothing more than possession of the unalienable rights defined in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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If your a trump follower, these are your people,.......
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Brian, White Nationalists want the unalienable rights defined in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights only for people like themselves.
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Wrong. The white nationalists are trying to prevent minorities from enjoying the same rights that whites have for centuries.
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But we're being told: This is a normal transition of power. We can work with Trump on things like infrastructure.
No thanks.
This just seems like a takeover of our government by white nationalists with an amoral sociopath authoritarian at their head. What could go wrong?
No thanks.
This just seems like a takeover of our government by white nationalists with an amoral sociopath authoritarian at their head. What could go wrong?
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And half the country thinks that 70+ million immigrants doing better than poor working white Americans, biological men in dresses attacking the privacy of girls and women, crime skyrocketing again, not ONE banker held accountable for the economic collapse that saw many working poor lose their homes and small businesses.
How we find the middle is going to be a challenge, and it might not happen. Overall, Trump is a businessman and this, for him, is not just ego but the chance to enlarge his global business holdings and financial networks. Trump is very much like the equally wealthy and expedient Putin in that highly focused predatory regard.
How we find the middle is going to be a challenge, and it might not happen. Overall, Trump is a businessman and this, for him, is not just ego but the chance to enlarge his global business holdings and financial networks. Trump is very much like the equally wealthy and expedient Putin in that highly focused predatory regard.
Mary, the reason many immigrants do better than working poor Americans is because of education. I have read many of your comments on this article, I am not going to say you are stupid or ignorant, but it is fairly obvious that you have a fairly simplistic view of the world, immigrants aren't taking your job, You aren't skilled in ways that would aid you to get a good job. You need to go to college. Trump isn't going to help you with that, and he isn't going to bring back the jobs that were once in your community. What he will do is make health insurance skyrocket as he repeals obamacare and makes insurance companies cover people with preexisting conditions. When he does this the insurance companies will respond by making rates so high employers will cut their employees insurance.
I get it, you have angst and you blame brown people for it.
I get it, you have angst and you blame brown people for it.
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Trumpites and many Clintonites want to believe that Trump’s victory was based on white identity and misogynist politics and the MSM fosters this illusion. They do not want people to recognize that the reason Trump won is that the Democrats refused to stand up to Wall Street, the banks and corporate America. It was Americans without jobs, losing their homes and marriages in turmoil, and their children facing a bleak future, that gave Trump his victory.
Bernie Sanders was the Democrat with the guts to stand up to the banks and Wall Street, while few believed Clinton really had the will to do so. HRC tried to focus on social democracy and temperament issues, not just because they are so important, but as diversions from her collusion with the 1% who heavily contributed to her campaign.
Now we are engaged in a struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party, whether it should be the party of the economically comfortable, or once again stand up for the working people who built this country. Shelley asked this question in a magnificent way:
Men of England, wherefore plough
For the lords who lay ye low?
Wherefore weave with toil and care
The rich robes your tyrants wear?
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Wherefore feed and clothe and save,
From the cradle to the grave,
Those ungrateful drones who would
Drain your sweat -- nay, drink your blood?
------
The seed ye sow another reaps;
The wealth ye find another keeps;
The robes ye weave another wears;
The arms ye forge another bears.
Bernie Sanders was the Democrat with the guts to stand up to the banks and Wall Street, while few believed Clinton really had the will to do so. HRC tried to focus on social democracy and temperament issues, not just because they are so important, but as diversions from her collusion with the 1% who heavily contributed to her campaign.
Now we are engaged in a struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party, whether it should be the party of the economically comfortable, or once again stand up for the working people who built this country. Shelley asked this question in a magnificent way:
Men of England, wherefore plough
For the lords who lay ye low?
Wherefore weave with toil and care
The rich robes your tyrants wear?
-------
Wherefore feed and clothe and save,
From the cradle to the grave,
Those ungrateful drones who would
Drain your sweat -- nay, drink your blood?
------
The seed ye sow another reaps;
The wealth ye find another keeps;
The robes ye weave another wears;
The arms ye forge another bears.
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Most of the Trump bumper stickers in Florida are on expensive vehicles. These aren't the unemployed and down trodden. They are people with good jobs and pension plans. It kinda blows your theory out of the water.
Trump supporters for the most part hate and fear non whites and their cultures. It's called racism.
Trump supporters for the most part hate and fear non whites and their cultures. It's called racism.
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It is not either/or. This is a YES/And situation. Yes, there is true, deep economic distress in the American heartland, hollowed out and rendered Third World by globalization and neoliberalism. Yes, the Democrats have been complicit in globalization, but certainly not more so than the Republicans.
AND Trump capitalized on incitement to hatred and violence via his rallies.
AND the AltRight supports him, views him as Emperor Trump who will restore White Amerika to them.
The Democratic party does need to restore its soul, I agree, but we do that by inclusive thinking and reasoning, not by excluding issues.
AND Trump capitalized on incitement to hatred and violence via his rallies.
AND the AltRight supports him, views him as Emperor Trump who will restore White Amerika to them.
The Democratic party does need to restore its soul, I agree, but we do that by inclusive thinking and reasoning, not by excluding issues.
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And now those Americans without jobs will also lose their social security, medicare and medicaid and the minimum wage which will be decreased if not abandoned all together. But hey - they can move to California to become seasonal fruit and produce pickers when the undocumented Mexicans have to leave those jobs behind after their deportation. Steinbeck describes vividly how that will work out in his "Grapes of Wrath". "The wealth you find another keeps" - sure enough. The Americans without jobs still have a lot to lose that they take for granted.
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If anyone might be interested on an international comparison, I perceive a very similar tendency here in Brazil, having in mind some important demographic and cultural differences. Nationalism, racism, discrimination against minorities, specially against homosexuals , anti communism (what?!), and a very worrying increase in fanatical evangelical contingent.
Brazil, despite some progress in the last decade or so, is actually a light apartheid south Africa and is again in the path to reinforce this social feature, more than ever in my lifetime.
But here poor is the new black and media is more competent in making the oppressed think they are the oppressor. These anti minorities, privileged people, many times shamelessly fascists, left the closet and are becoming mainstream too.
Interesting enough is that Brazilian fascists often dislike and fear Trump. Many of them align cluelessly with the democrats and Obama. I'm not kidding.
Brazil, despite some progress in the last decade or so, is actually a light apartheid south Africa and is again in the path to reinforce this social feature, more than ever in my lifetime.
But here poor is the new black and media is more competent in making the oppressed think they are the oppressor. These anti minorities, privileged people, many times shamelessly fascists, left the closet and are becoming mainstream too.
Interesting enough is that Brazilian fascists often dislike and fear Trump. Many of them align cluelessly with the democrats and Obama. I'm not kidding.
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Trump must know how to distance himself from these kinds of things. It's a shame that a president would directly be involved in this petty issue. http://whatstrendingtoday.xyz/donald-trump-mike-pence-hamilton/
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He's never going to grow up. And the people around him should be ashamed to associate with him. Unbelievable. People all over the world laugh at us!
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Trump rolls in the filth like a pig in mud. He cares not who adores him as long as he can bask in their attention.
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Continue from previous post: so basically by the end of the day either 1) not much will change & the same folks that voted for trump will end up impeach him, or 2) there will be huge rift in our country in unity, democracy, moral values & we start to go downhill (historically every country adopted protectionism started the downfall of the country). I also see a third possibility - moderate change by the new admin just enough not the have protests around the country; that's the most likely outcome. After 4 yrs, let's hope more people will benefit from the new Admin than the people who are left out... Trump you ask for it so now let's see your hair turn white, get to work! Your family's name is at stake in the history books!
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And here I thought we were going to stop with the "fake news." Guess not.
Are there frightening, horrid people out there with views like those described in this article? Sure. Should we do all we can to denounce them, explain - over and over and over - what is so wrong in every respect about what they espouse? Yes.
But - has President elect Trump ever given any indication that he supports such hateful views - at all? No.
Democrats still do not understand the reasons why they lost. And they continue to express opinions that actual will aid in keeping them out of power. As someone who does not identify with either party (small government, fiscal conservative, social liberal), I long for the day when either of the two parties will morph into a world view that I and many of my friends share. Apparently - that time has not yet come.
Are there frightening, horrid people out there with views like those described in this article? Sure. Should we do all we can to denounce them, explain - over and over and over - what is so wrong in every respect about what they espouse? Yes.
But - has President elect Trump ever given any indication that he supports such hateful views - at all? No.
Democrats still do not understand the reasons why they lost. And they continue to express opinions that actual will aid in keeping them out of power. As someone who does not identify with either party (small government, fiscal conservative, social liberal), I long for the day when either of the two parties will morph into a world view that I and many of my friends share. Apparently - that time has not yet come.
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I mostly agree with you, but I don't understand how a huge country can have a small government. We know that government in many cases is inefficient, but another extreme is the corporate-ran America with its own self-interest. 3rd, the people can't govern themselves, that's been proven before by socialist failure
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Which part of the article are you referring to when you ask and answer "has President elect Trump ever given any indication that he supports such hateful views - at all? No."
There's no fake news here.
This isn't about the reasons Democrats lost. It's about a monster that is about to feed.
There's no fake news here.
This isn't about the reasons Democrats lost. It's about a monster that is about to feed.
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His insidious racist comments are recorded in newspapers, on TV, social media, YouTube, etc. His own Twitter comments are beyond the pale.
If you think he has not "given any indication" that he supports "such hateful views," please explain how it is, then, that the patron saint of the alt-right, Steve Bannon, is his chief "strategist." Trump lies down with that very dog - and his fleas are quite evident.
If you think he has not "given any indication" that he supports "such hateful views," please explain how it is, then, that the patron saint of the alt-right, Steve Bannon, is his chief "strategist." Trump lies down with that very dog - and his fleas are quite evident.
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What's the difference between a "White Nationalist" and a "White Supremacist"?
I would argue there is no difference - and furthermore that calling them "nationalists" just helps to normalize the racism Trump has dog-whistled and plain yelled aloud.
Call them for what they are - racists, plain and simple. They should be ashamed of their views, not proud.
I'm old enough to remember when being "racist" was a bad thing - back in the 90's and 2000's. These days these people are treated as a legit political party... very troubling.
And for anyone who argues they just need to be "given space" or "understood" - the idea that white men need anything more than they already have is laughable.
The racists have won the battle, sure; their new leader is in the White House. But the struggle for Civil Rights is a long one.
I would argue there is no difference - and furthermore that calling them "nationalists" just helps to normalize the racism Trump has dog-whistled and plain yelled aloud.
Call them for what they are - racists, plain and simple. They should be ashamed of their views, not proud.
I'm old enough to remember when being "racist" was a bad thing - back in the 90's and 2000's. These days these people are treated as a legit political party... very troubling.
And for anyone who argues they just need to be "given space" or "understood" - the idea that white men need anything more than they already have is laughable.
The racists have won the battle, sure; their new leader is in the White House. But the struggle for Civil Rights is a long one.
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Do you want the 3rd world immigrants dominating the western world?
There is a difference between racists (whether they are white, black or brown) and those who see their national identity slipping away, as is the case in the U.S. and across Europe. The only place where this is not happening: Russia.
The American identity has changed and will continue to chance due to immigration and the high, high birth rates among immigrants. Democrats refusing to even talk about this is partly what fueled the heartland anger of those who voted for Trump.
The American identity has changed and will continue to chance due to immigration and the high, high birth rates among immigrants. Democrats refusing to even talk about this is partly what fueled the heartland anger of those who voted for Trump.
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Name one "3rd world immigrant" who is currently "dominating the western world."
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All the rhetoric campaign talks none will be enacted. So who cares. It could be Ross Perot as the president & nothing will change. Put up a wall (I guess a small useless fence instead), bring jobs back to U.S.? (It will never happened, why?). It was Made in Japan in the 70s, Taiwan in the 80s & 90s, China in the 20's & now, soon i'll be made in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. Econ 101, skilled cheap labor produce goods so Walmart can survive (imaging China counter 45% Tariff & raise prices on Walmart products by 45%, Iphone 45%, raise agriculture imports tax from U.S. by 45%, cancel Boeing orders - true few steel workers will get jobs back but some U.S. farmers may starve). Once a country get's rich we move onto the next candidate, which sucker is willing to suck up carbon footprints gets paid $1/hr...? That's globalization. Immigration reform? (I can see some traction in this like tighten the boarder & visa policies but hardline/Hitler like views is no longer conceivable in 2016). Honestly our country is only 200+ yrs that's like a fleeting moment compare to other countries with 4K yrs history so as long as we obey the immigration laws I have no right to say that since I am here 2 generations earlier than you I have more right to be here...
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Nothing will change? Get back to me after a generation of right wing nuts controlling the Supreme Court.
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..Keep George Orwell with you at all times..
the alt-right is Jim Crow 2.0
or the Anti-Lincoln GOP
The word "right" has a positive reaction in our frontal lobe that these Trump-elitists do not deserve. Language is important. These white-only cults should not be called conservatives, right-wing or pro-life. They are race-based extremists. The Trump-elites want to deny rights to some religions, suppress vote, and deny freedom of press.
Also, people are either pro-choice or anti-choice for women's health access. We allow the term pro-life to be used to denote people who drastically cut access to health clinics, block food stamps, stop Medicaid expansion, support death penalty, vote down gun safety requirements,etc.
the alt-right is Jim Crow 2.0
or the Anti-Lincoln GOP
The word "right" has a positive reaction in our frontal lobe that these Trump-elitists do not deserve. Language is important. These white-only cults should not be called conservatives, right-wing or pro-life. They are race-based extremists. The Trump-elites want to deny rights to some religions, suppress vote, and deny freedom of press.
Also, people are either pro-choice or anti-choice for women's health access. We allow the term pro-life to be used to denote people who drastically cut access to health clinics, block food stamps, stop Medicaid expansion, support death penalty, vote down gun safety requirements,etc.
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You've crafted a vital point - thank you for expressing your potent argument so well! And, please, keep spreading the word. Fight fascism!
Trump has not yet demonstrated a presidential demeanor and that is a big problem. His reaction to the respectful appeal to Mike Pence by the Hamilton cast was proof of this. He should have followed Pence's example, and listened politely. His response should have been to acknowledge this concern, and assure Americans that rights will not be trampled. Instead he responded like a bully.
All citizens need to be vigilant and not allow the country to polarize any farther than it has already. Rhetoric on all sides has contributed to the situation we are now in. The shut-down of thoughtful debate by those who unjustly accuse others of racism and frame all of society's ills as a result of "white privilege" has left struggling, non-affluent people with a sense of powerlessness, and has harmed all of us rather than helped us come together. There are REAL white supremacists out there that need to be stopped. Accusing Trump and all his supporters of being racist will just lead to further polarization.
All citizens need to be vigilant and not allow the country to polarize any farther than it has already. Rhetoric on all sides has contributed to the situation we are now in. The shut-down of thoughtful debate by those who unjustly accuse others of racism and frame all of society's ills as a result of "white privilege" has left struggling, non-affluent people with a sense of powerlessness, and has harmed all of us rather than helped us come together. There are REAL white supremacists out there that need to be stopped. Accusing Trump and all his supporters of being racist will just lead to further polarization.
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Anyone who has spent some time reading user comments on any of the thousands of unmoderated websites around net knows that this alt-right (alt-white) movement is not limited to the few hundred bigots who showed up to this Ronald Reagan "Bowel of the Building" hate-fest...
We cannot say that all whites who voted for Donald Trump are racists... But we can say that all white racists voted for Donald Trump... And without their support, his candidacy and campaign of hate and fear would have evaporated after the first primary. What else does he have to offer America?
Ironically, the main legacy left by President Obama will be the conversion of white racist undertones into white racist overtones... And the positive part of that legacy will be that nobody can reasonably deny that racial hostilities and barriers still exist in America... And that includes the denials of five Republican appointed "Justices" who sat on the US Supreme Court in June of 2013 and gutted the Voting Rights Act -
“Our country has changed,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority. “While any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions.”
Are we to believe a gerrymandered extremist Republican Congress can be depended on to put forth any remedies in this area? And are we to believe that John Roberts and his Republican cohorts disgracing the High Court were too dumb to know that?
We cannot say that all whites who voted for Donald Trump are racists... But we can say that all white racists voted for Donald Trump... And without their support, his candidacy and campaign of hate and fear would have evaporated after the first primary. What else does he have to offer America?
Ironically, the main legacy left by President Obama will be the conversion of white racist undertones into white racist overtones... And the positive part of that legacy will be that nobody can reasonably deny that racial hostilities and barriers still exist in America... And that includes the denials of five Republican appointed "Justices" who sat on the US Supreme Court in June of 2013 and gutted the Voting Rights Act -
“Our country has changed,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority. “While any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions.”
Are we to believe a gerrymandered extremist Republican Congress can be depended on to put forth any remedies in this area? And are we to believe that John Roberts and his Republican cohorts disgracing the High Court were too dumb to know that?
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Wrong side of history dudes…not to mention human nature. Who would really want to live in an “all-white ethno-state” anyway. Sure…I suppose that you might attract a handful of hard-core racists, religious zealots, holdout eugenics fans and lone-wolf oddball geniuses, but that said, the vast majority of “best people” from all classes and walks of life would never self-select to live in such a society. Too boring, slave labor dependent and totally incongruent with the overall evolution of American society.
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What would we have done without the wonderful new cuisines brought to the US from all these foreign cultures? The west has always had great food for the very rich, but most of us have had to live on boring, unhealthy stuff. Welcome tacos, kababs, and samosas and so many of the wonderful and inexpensive foods we now have in the western world. For many foreigners, this has been their opening to live in the West -- cook the foods of their own countries for the masses in the West who needed much more spice in their lives!
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I think you'd be surprised how many would move there. When they get money, most white people self-select to live in suburbs or gentrified urban neighborhoods where they can be around mostly white people and send their children to mostly white schools - even the ones that mouth allegiance to diversity.
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If terrorists want to distract the attention of the President elect, it won't take much effort to create a problem over here, while they do some evil deed over there. Shouldn't President's focus on much, much, much bigger issues than this? I can already here someone saying: "Squirrel!"
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"“In the long run, people like Bannon and Trump will be open to the clarity of our ideas,” said Jared Taylor, the founder of the white nationalist publication American Renaissance."
Mr. Taylor, they already are. Where have you been?
Mr. Taylor, they already are. Where have you been?
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This is exactly what white Americans were voting for even though they lied to pollsters about who they were voting for. Congress, both Democrats and Republicans need to step up and denounce these racists and bigots before we have significant confrontations with these idiots. This is what Trump is all about. Americans and America are in for a rough years.
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These people are living the dream but a dream it is. White persons of European descent will continue to decline as a percentage of the US population unless these people get busy and pro-create at rates not seen here since the early 19th Century. Bu then again that's the era they want to live in.
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There's much dissent here on what to call these folks, so let's re-name them.
My choice is "ALT-Kult".
It gets their choice of "alt" in there, the K for KKK, and sounds like "occult", for, yes, these folk believe in many things that are not real.
But I'm flexible and open to ideas.
Got one?
My choice is "ALT-Kult".
It gets their choice of "alt" in there, the K for KKK, and sounds like "occult", for, yes, these folk believe in many things that are not real.
But I'm flexible and open to ideas.
Got one?
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There are some key fallacies in the center's current thinking about alt-right, the expanding and newly invigorated banner under which people with varying desire for a white nation have coalesced.
Among them are:
a. This is temporary (it is not)
b. Its intents are benign and unimplementable (not benign, and implementable at the local level in strongly republican southern states).
c. It is isolated (not really, it is strongly interwoven with the religious right, that won decisively this election).
d. It is disorganized (really, have you been paying attention).
e. They talk more than they do (maybe, but then everyone does; even one person hurt by their hate is one too many).
The most dangerous fallacy is that they are a fringe group. In numbers, it is likely true. But they did succeed in seeding the paranoia and anxiety of most white males (over 60%) and white females (56%) who chose an unqualified candidate. They have the culture which abhors scientific method and would rather believe than know - on their side. The culture is rich today with feelings of victim hood, distrust, and fear; the medium in which paranoia runs amok. Seeding fear and hate is easy in this culture. We should not ignore signs that it is going mainstream.
No this cannot be countered effectively with cars with COEXIST bumper decals, or by candlelight vigils. I don't see barbed wire, boxcars, and camps emerging tomorrow. But it can happen.
Kalidan.
Among them are:
a. This is temporary (it is not)
b. Its intents are benign and unimplementable (not benign, and implementable at the local level in strongly republican southern states).
c. It is isolated (not really, it is strongly interwoven with the religious right, that won decisively this election).
d. It is disorganized (really, have you been paying attention).
e. They talk more than they do (maybe, but then everyone does; even one person hurt by their hate is one too many).
The most dangerous fallacy is that they are a fringe group. In numbers, it is likely true. But they did succeed in seeding the paranoia and anxiety of most white males (over 60%) and white females (56%) who chose an unqualified candidate. They have the culture which abhors scientific method and would rather believe than know - on their side. The culture is rich today with feelings of victim hood, distrust, and fear; the medium in which paranoia runs amok. Seeding fear and hate is easy in this culture. We should not ignore signs that it is going mainstream.
No this cannot be countered effectively with cars with COEXIST bumper decals, or by candlelight vigils. I don't see barbed wire, boxcars, and camps emerging tomorrow. But it can happen.
Kalidan.
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It is a mystery to me how people think this country is white, that we should seek or somehow "return" to that ideal. This country was never white. From the black indentured servants brought to Jamestown, to the Spanish who were in Santa Fe before any European settlement and the Native Americans who were here before all others ...this country was never, ever white.
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FYI: Spain is part of Europe.
The earliest humans on this continent were Asian nomads, so there really is no such thing as Native American. Moreover, the first humans to this continent after those Asian nomads were Viking explorers. Then came the European explorers and their armies, traders, settlers and white indentured servants who established settlements, built towns and infrastructures on which the colonies were based - several hundred years prior to any black indentured servants or slaves. That is why some people for 240 years have considered the New World and then the United States to be European formed and white.
The earliest humans on this continent were Asian nomads, so there really is no such thing as Native American. Moreover, the first humans to this continent after those Asian nomads were Viking explorers. Then came the European explorers and their armies, traders, settlers and white indentured servants who established settlements, built towns and infrastructures on which the colonies were based - several hundred years prior to any black indentured servants or slaves. That is why some people for 240 years have considered the New World and then the United States to be European formed and white.
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Mary, your history is a little off. There was no "several hundred years" of white settlement in the New World prior to the arrival of black indentured servants or slaves. The "New World" was not settled by Europeans until after 1492. The first Africans arrived in Jamestown in 1619. The Spanish and Portuguese brought black "servants" with them to their colonies even earlier, dating back to the early 1500s.
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Of course there is such a thing as Native Americans. Please study up about the Anzick baby boy bones found in Montana and what his genome indicates.
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Since the right is so concerned in calling things out for what they are, let's call this Fascism.
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Stop giving these people front page coverage. It legitimizes and gives them publicity, just as the NYT did for Trump.
I truly think there's an agenda of dividing and separating us up into racial quadrants with quarrels, in order to keep us all busy fighting one another instead of looking upwards.
Can the NYT ever start addressing the ''class'' issue? Ever?
I truly think there's an agenda of dividing and separating us up into racial quadrants with quarrels, in order to keep us all busy fighting one another instead of looking upwards.
Can the NYT ever start addressing the ''class'' issue? Ever?
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The rise of White Nationalism is a backlash to President Obama's presidency and rights gained by minorities. It's a backlash akin to the rise of the KKK during Reconstruction.
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It is still the economy, stupid. i.e. jobs for the middle and lower classes.
That Obama ignored this is the onion layers boomeranging now 8 years later on Hillary Clinton and the nation.
That Obama ignored this is the onion layers boomeranging now 8 years later on Hillary Clinton and the nation.
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Mary, what do you think Trump is going to do for the economy? His method for making money has been mostly about manipulation and cheating. Don't see how that's going to help the working class.
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Look at more of the detritus Trump has managed to drag to the forefront of his election to the Presidency. Steve Bannon, as an alt-right supporter, is at the front of Trumpery's WH circus.
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Have faith that at some point in time Mr Trump will tell the alt right to "stop it". That has proved to work well.
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At least they are up front about what they are. They are wolves, without and sheep's clothing. They will die off in a few hundred years, as the uselessness of their ideas renders them ineffective in the world.
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These extremists may only be a small proportion of Trump supporters, but the fact that they now feel so supported also allows less extreme bigots to feel that their racist thoughts, which they once felt the need to keep private, are now completely acceptable. I don't know anyone who would don a white hood or want to go to one of these meetings. However, I am learning a lot about people I've known for a long time, who are suddenly "liking" posts that imply pretty racist beliefs.
A frequent comment now is that Melania Trump is so much "classier" than Michelle Obama. Now, I don't care about Melania's modeling past, but I wonder what it is about the Obamas that so many people find "not classy?" Try as I might, I can't come up with an answer to that question that is not racist. "Classy" is the new code word for "white."
If anyone can explain it another way, please do.
A frequent comment now is that Melania Trump is so much "classier" than Michelle Obama. Now, I don't care about Melania's modeling past, but I wonder what it is about the Obamas that so many people find "not classy?" Try as I might, I can't come up with an answer to that question that is not racist. "Classy" is the new code word for "white."
If anyone can explain it another way, please do.
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Apparently "classier" means she speaks poor English with a thick, Slovakian accent and Mrs. Obama doesn't.
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To the extent some of these people look at the Bible for guidance, here's what God had to say on this subject (just one of many, consistent similar verses):
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 19:33-34).
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 19:33-34).
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Where is in the in-depth analysis of Trump's conflict of interests? Stop normalizing this abmonable man.
More please on the $25 million fraud settlement and his debts to foreign banks.
More please on how his phone lines are not secured.
More please on how he's meeting with business contacts now.
More please on the $25 million fraud settlement and his debts to foreign banks.
More please on how his phone lines are not secured.
More please on how he's meeting with business contacts now.
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“I never thought we would get to this point, any point close to mainstream acceptance or political influence,” said Matt Forney, 28, of Chicago. “The culture is moving more in my direction.”
.... sorry Matt, enjoy the moment because that is all that will have, a moment. The demographic tide has been shifting for decades ... in a few years, Texas will be a "blue" state. ultimately, so will places like Florida. Your and yours will be slowly sequestered to the low-growth areas of the country.
.... sorry Matt, enjoy the moment because that is all that will have, a moment. The demographic tide has been shifting for decades ... in a few years, Texas will be a "blue" state. ultimately, so will places like Florida. Your and yours will be slowly sequestered to the low-growth areas of the country.
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The clock is now set at least two centuries. I know these people. They are a bunch of ignorant and mediocre people whose information source is mainly TV. They want a free ride on the success of the other people. And very dangerous! The beauty of the American experiment lies on its diversity not in its division.
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just because there are more cockroaches in the world than humans does not mean they are winning... these people are not going to win
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Where are the so-called responsible republican leaders standing up against this proto-fascism? Trump's lhalf measure on 60 Minutes of "stop it" is barely sufficient.
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"Mr. Trump, with his divisive language about immigrants and Muslims, has given them hope that these dreams can come true."
There you have it. A false narrative fueling a false connection between Trump and racism. Trump spoke out against ILLEGAL immigrants and RADICAL ISLAM. Neither have anything to do with racism.
White nationalists will quickly turn on Trump when they realize he is not n their side. In the meantime, expect corrupt left-wing media sources to keep pounding the drum and picking at the scab of racism.
There you have it. A false narrative fueling a false connection between Trump and racism. Trump spoke out against ILLEGAL immigrants and RADICAL ISLAM. Neither have anything to do with racism.
White nationalists will quickly turn on Trump when they realize he is not n their side. In the meantime, expect corrupt left-wing media sources to keep pounding the drum and picking at the scab of racism.
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Yeah, Judge Curiel was an illegal immigrant. /S That is just one of many inconsistencies in your comment.
White Nationalists are a fringe, irrelevant group that only get attention via irresponsible, ill-conceived articles like this. Donald Trump did not seek their support but was chastised for not rejecting their support as vociferously as the Democrats would have liked. This was an insidious, baseless ploy to denigrate Mr. Trump consistent with the despicable, dirty tricks campaign waged by the Democrats. Too many people are reacting to campaign rhetoric, media propaganda and stale, divisive hyperbole. They are unwilling to observe and assimilate what is actually transpiring at this moment. Kindly refrain from perceiving Mr. Trump as the grotesque caricature the media has created and perpetuated. Please give him a fair chance to be the man that most people, who actually know him well, describe as caring, warm-hearted, loyal, tireless, decisive, capable,inclusive and patriotic. If you genuinely look for these attributes, you might just find them, turning your hatred, fear and pessimism m into love, courage and optimism.
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Did you by chance view his cabinet choices? Wake up. This man is an actor. Obviously a good one.
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Who do you think Steve Bannon who the President elect has picked to be his policy advisor idenifies, associates with and represents? White supremacists, who now call themselves the alt-right to soften up their image. Give the white supremacists a chance you say? Not in my lifetime. My family were killed in Poland over exactly the same attitude as yours. A fringe group.. that is irrelevant you say....Trump's actions and inactions thus far say we should be very very scared. We have good reason.
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What does Spencer et al do with Jared and Ivanka the orthodox Jews in the Trump cabal?
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The White Nationalists must be happy with Trumps appointments so far. All white male Christians, half of whom are named Mike:
Mike Pence, Vice President
Reince Priebus, chief of staff
Stephen Bannon, chief strategist and senior counselor
Jeff Sessions, attorney general
Mike Flynn, national security adviser
Mike Pompeo, CIA director
Mike Pence, Vice President
Reince Priebus, chief of staff
Stephen Bannon, chief strategist and senior counselor
Jeff Sessions, attorney general
Mike Flynn, national security adviser
Mike Pompeo, CIA director
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What about his daughter and Son in law, Orthodox Jews?
If these folks ever find the right piece of property for their so-called white “ethno-state”, I'll be happy to make a contribution. In fact, I'll go even further. If they want to build a great, beautiful wall around their racist cesspool, I'll throw in a few more bucks. It will be the first country with the toilet as a national logo.
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Why are you bowing to their preferences and calling them white "nationalists"? They are white supremacists. They prefer the sanitized "nationalists" label because it makes other people feel more comfortable with them. The Times shouldn't play along. Call a spade a spade. That's your job.
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These individuals want to divide and conquer with conquer being akin to subjugation. The problem for them is that in spite of Trumps ascension, they will learn the hard way that the must get along with the other races and groups or find themselves embroiled in civil war. Unlike their forefathers, these other ethnicities will not go quietly into the night because their forefathers fought and died for this country and ALL its people. There will be no white Christian country in the US.
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Anti-Americanism has become a moral imperative. This grotesque country has become the enemy of humankind.
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"It's the economy, stupid." It's only about social issues to insignificant groups such as this. They do not advocate for growth, but do advocate for the shrinkage of opportunity. Therefore, they will not create jobs. As soon as the next recession hits, these white men will find no jobs, and be left behind as nothing more than another sour memory.
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Call this for what it is: The Trump Effect. And because Trump continues to get a free ride by The Press, it will continue. It was not unplanned that the Press were hearded into pens like cattle during Trump rallies. That and Trump's threats of 'law suits' subdued any emerging critism of Trump and we see it today in a mounting fashion. We'd better look out at what's about to be let in as we watch what is turning into a masquerade ball.
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this is a good thing - nothing disinfects what you find under a rock like sunlight.
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The media must stop calling these people alt-right and must start referring to them for what they actually are--White Supremacists. When we adopt the term, alt -right we are softening it and the uninformed think this is just some group with far right ideas. No it is not. These White Supremacists now have the ear of the President elect and will advise on the policy of our Country through Steve Bannon.
Call them for what they are White Supremacists and anti-semites. Do your homework. Please look up the backgrounds for each and every person that stood on the stage of that press conference and let us call them for what they truly are Haters. Stop using their preferred, lukewarm and misleading term of alt right.
Call them for what they are White Supremacists and anti-semites. Do your homework. Please look up the backgrounds for each and every person that stood on the stage of that press conference and let us call them for what they truly are Haters. Stop using their preferred, lukewarm and misleading term of alt right.
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Please stop using the term "alt-right"; call it what it is: RACISM.
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What, objectively, is wrong with white nationalism? Frankly, these racists are holding our country back. They're responsible for Trump and every other assault on Progress we've experienced. If they want to carve off Montana and Idaho and squat on their ranches with their guns I say good riddance. Let them go, we'd be better off without them. I wouldn't mind building a wall around that country. Meanwhile we can go about making America diverse, inclusive, and safe for PoC, LGBTQ, and women without their toxic interference.
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We need to reject the Newspeak smear "White Nationalist". If one is a member of a hate group we need to call the child by it's true name. Everything else is propaganda.
There is no shame in "white". There is no shame in "nationalism". And there are no examples of two good words coming together to make a negative connotation: "good dog", "home run", "faithful husband".
Public discourse is stunted by thought controlling Newspeak.
There is no shame in "white". There is no shame in "nationalism". And there are no examples of two good words coming together to make a negative connotation: "good dog", "home run", "faithful husband".
Public discourse is stunted by thought controlling Newspeak.
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Just because a racist whitewashes the label for his group does not mean that we are required to use his term. These people are racists, not "alt right". Should the NYT truly want to give them publicity, please be accurate. An accurate headline would be "A Small Group of Racists Met in Public Without White Robes and Hoods".
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Getting euphoric on the Trump victory and feeling ecstatic about the White political ascendance would matter only when the White nationalists also succeed in getting the same attention from the Trump administration as they had drawn during the campaign to get back the lost opportunities, perceived or real. If not, the jubilation will be short-lived and deceptive.
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Prof--They will get the attention, from Breitbart's Bannon, as well as the other deplorables who will be taking power.
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You see, the "PC Crowd" are still working on inalienable rights for all. If you think they are too loud, or get too much attention, you are saying that EVERYONE does not deserve those rights. It's not about accepting others "views". Anyone who says otherwise is lying or a fool.
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The alt-right's right to seeing ends at the tip of my nose. Right now, they are swinging; it is up to us to stop them from hitting our noses.
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Agreed, Ana, and no where is that more evident than on "Choice".
These men would go ballistic if anyone tried to dictate to THEM on reproduction!
Why, just look at how crazed they get when someone even looks cross-eyed at their guns! They act like they're about to be forcibly castrated!
These men would go ballistic if anyone tried to dictate to THEM on reproduction!
Why, just look at how crazed they get when someone even looks cross-eyed at their guns! They act like they're about to be forcibly castrated!
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Ana Crowley - if the alt-right supported inalienable rights for others it would be different. Tolerance is a two way street, and the alt-right's positions beg one to ask yet again the age old question - how much tolerance does intolerance deserve?
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Currently reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm". Highly suggested reading, in spite of his obvious Empire/Etonian bias. The parallels between what is transpiring right under our passive sheep-like noses here in the good old U.S. and what happened in Germany in the early 1930s are stark and frightening. Of course no one dare point that out, because it is 'politically incorrect' to do so. Odd how the extreme right routinely decries political correctness, yet demands it when facing criticism. Herr Goebbels, too, was a master of the double standard...
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Finally someone starts to bring out the parallels. I've been writing this for months. It's also what likely keeps Germany safe for now. They went through this once and they will not forget it (we hope).
Great read. Someone asked him what he was going to do for a living after the war. He replied, "I've always been able to make a living with my throat and my pen."
Did you know that after the war, Churchill campaigned under the slogan "Keep Britain White"? Just google 'Churchill, Keep Britain White' if you don't believe it.
Churchill used all the talking points about white displacement that were brought forward by the NPI.
Out of all the Reductio ad Hitlerum you could've used, choosing a man that used slogans the exact same as the arguments used by the group you're trying to warn us about, is a bit odd.
Churchill used all the talking points about white displacement that were brought forward by the NPI.
Out of all the Reductio ad Hitlerum you could've used, choosing a man that used slogans the exact same as the arguments used by the group you're trying to warn us about, is a bit odd.
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But I thought this election was a referendum on identity politics? Multiculturalism is dead. We are all one. We are all Americans.
Oh, I forgot, what everyone means is we should just go back to America being about the white identity, as if that ever stopped?
I will go back in my corner now & stop being politically correct by asking for my basic human rights.
Oh, I forgot, what everyone means is we should just go back to America being about the white identity, as if that ever stopped?
I will go back in my corner now & stop being politically correct by asking for my basic human rights.
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And you will be safe there, for remember, Donald said that all crimes would stop the day he took office.
Gee, I feel so much safer!
Gee, I feel so much safer!
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As a Jew I perceive these people as a real threat to my safety, yet I understand the conditions that have brought about this alt right revolution. In an increasingly multicultural society, Liberals need to give white people the "space" to celebrate their race and heritage just as we openly celebrate the heritage of blacks, Jews, Latinos, native Americans etc.. Let them be proud of their identity in a non racist fashion, and they can perceive themselves as one cultural in America's larger pot of diversity.
If you're gut reaction to this thought is "white privilege" and all culture is white culture ...etc, then you are part of the problem that got Trump elected. Give then something to be proud of and watch them moderate
If you're gut reaction to this thought is "white privilege" and all culture is white culture ...etc, then you are part of the problem that got Trump elected. Give then something to be proud of and watch them moderate
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Sorry, I'm a white Anglo-saxon protestant and I don't identify or sympathize with these people in any way. There is no legitimacy to their "concerns." It is just backlash to the increasing rights and prominence of minorities in our country. These whites are people who feel they've lost a place of dominance. Their sickness should not be normalized.
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i respectfully ask you to show me where we did not allow "whites" space? NRA? KKK? American Nazi party?....How many white supremacists have been attacked? How many of their so called church groups have been denied freedom of speech any where? Now as to white people who celebrate all races creeds and colors how many of them are starting to be shut down now?
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Really? White Christians, disgusted by political correctness and multiculturalism - otherwise rational and intelligent - ran to the warm embrace of white nationalists, donned robes, and started waving the Dixie flag because of excess political correctness, and celebration of multiculturalism? Now under their tent, white Christians are finding succor; and feel good about the promise of celebrating their whiteness.
So far, so good. Celebrations are good, community is good - until someone is harassed, beat up, lynched, burnt down, shot, corralled, registered, concentrated, and gassed. I am alarmed? Are you telling me this has never happened before?
What you are defining in benign terms has almost always served as a key milestone to this dystopian future. Hence people not in the alt right are justifiably horrified and alarmed.
I hope you are getting the point. Here is an analogy that might speak to you. Imagine if you jumped off a 100 floor building with someone, you would be assuring the other person: "well, we are just at the 90th floor now, no need to worry . . . ." Sometimes whizzing by at the speed of gravity past the 99th floor is sufficient evidence of a splotch coming. Except perhaps to people who think like you.
Kalidan
So far, so good. Celebrations are good, community is good - until someone is harassed, beat up, lynched, burnt down, shot, corralled, registered, concentrated, and gassed. I am alarmed? Are you telling me this has never happened before?
What you are defining in benign terms has almost always served as a key milestone to this dystopian future. Hence people not in the alt right are justifiably horrified and alarmed.
I hope you are getting the point. Here is an analogy that might speak to you. Imagine if you jumped off a 100 floor building with someone, you would be assuring the other person: "well, we are just at the 90th floor now, no need to worry . . . ." Sometimes whizzing by at the speed of gravity past the 99th floor is sufficient evidence of a splotch coming. Except perhaps to people who think like you.
Kalidan
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All of this lies squarely at the feet of the liberal left. They created the "hyphenated-American" and this is their redheaded stepchild. Here's a group to add to your potpourri of brilliant ideas.. Oh what's a matter- these "Americans" are too different from you? What about your platform of inclusion, diversity, acceptance and tolerance? Oh I get it, "All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others."
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Nice try, Aaron. Not true.
mediamatters.org
mediamatters.org
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These people are racist, hateful, well-armed, and dangerous. You must be one of them if can't see the difference between accepting all good-hearted people at the table and accepting this kind of backward, evil, un-American, un-Christian ideology.
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When was "white culture" one of liberals'
brilliant ideas? And, since we're on the topic, what IS "white culture?"
brilliant ideas? And, since we're on the topic, what IS "white culture?"
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Once the demographic trends toward white minority status were known, the reactionary response from some whites was expected. We in California saw that shift to the GOP governments such as that of Pete Wilson that moved strongly against immigrants, bilingual education and bans on many outreach programs by the universities.
We got over this nightmare tendency toward South African style of white minority rule once we elected people, like Brown, who believe in good government, i.e., government for all the people and not for just the few. The GOP had bad government, with excessive borrowing and taxes lowered to the point where government could no longer work well.
Under good government, we now enjoy a wonderful economy, and have just revoted bilingual education in. It is not a matter of left or right, but whether you want GOOD government or BAD. And white minority rule is uniformly BAD.
We got over this nightmare tendency toward South African style of white minority rule once we elected people, like Brown, who believe in good government, i.e., government for all the people and not for just the few. The GOP had bad government, with excessive borrowing and taxes lowered to the point where government could no longer work well.
Under good government, we now enjoy a wonderful economy, and have just revoted bilingual education in. It is not a matter of left or right, but whether you want GOOD government or BAD. And white minority rule is uniformly BAD.
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JFMacC--Long live California!
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Been to the Central Valley lately ... Modesto, Stockton, Bakersfield? Get out of that coastal bubble and take a road trip.
The US ranks sixth highest in the world for the rate of assaults.
"Emboldened by Mr. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party, Mr. Forney said he expected people openly associated with the white nationalist movement to run as candidates in the 2018 midterm elections. "
I was reading Facebook last night and saw many posts from friends asking that people stop political commentary for a while. The above statement shows why we should not. We are better than this. We claim to be a Christian nation but seem to have forgotten the premise "Love thy neighbor as thyself for the love of thee". Sad.
I was reading Facebook last night and saw many posts from friends asking that people stop political commentary for a while. The above statement shows why we should not. We are better than this. We claim to be a Christian nation but seem to have forgotten the premise "Love thy neighbor as thyself for the love of thee". Sad.
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tim--You're on the right track, but we are NOT a Christian nation. Hopefully, never WILL BE. Nobody has to be a "Christian" in order to be a "loving" neighbor, a fair person, and completely committed to equality.
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We don't claim to be a Christian nation. Agreed otherwise.
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"We claim to be a Christian nation" Whoa, take a step back there.
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These Neo-Nazis are claiming main stream acceptance. They will tell this lie over and over again. They claim to just want to be left alone, to have "their rights too". Their intention is to divide us among ourselves: City/rural, professional/working class, friends/associates, inside families. That is what is happening now. That is what is happening with this election. It is our duty to stop this.
Start by writing your representatives in Congress. Create or borrow a letter format to write to all in our government. Democratic or Republican, it DOES NOT MATTER. Send Congress the message that these ideals are not American values. They have Constitutional and procedural tools to preserve our freedoms. Freedom for everyone.
Start by writing your representatives in Congress. Create or borrow a letter format to write to all in our government. Democratic or Republican, it DOES NOT MATTER. Send Congress the message that these ideals are not American values. They have Constitutional and procedural tools to preserve our freedoms. Freedom for everyone.
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Why don't we call it what it is? Radical Christian terrorism. You can't fight it if you don't call it by name, I've heard.
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They are not the ones blowing themselves up or beheading "infidels".
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What a crock!! Isn't this a bit of an overstatement about 60 million Americans. This is nothing more than hateful and divisive fear mongering!!
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@PK: So you're saying every Trump voter is a white supremacist? Because I wasn't.
@Daisy: They threaten a violent overthrow ALL. THE. TIME. Now they feel they have mainstream acceptance for it. You are uninformed.
@Daisy: They threaten a violent overthrow ALL. THE. TIME. Now they feel they have mainstream acceptance for it. You are uninformed.
Isnt that White ethnostate somewhere in Europe ? There's almost no claim for a white ethnostate here which should be returned to the Native Americans. Over and over I hear white nationalists legitimize themselves claim they are the rightful heirs to America
why has this movement gained so much momentum?
why has this movement gained so much momentum?
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I stopped thinking stupid things when I hit 35, why don't you go out and help the homeless?
Thank you New York Times for starting to show a little attention to a malignancy in our society that helped bring us (along with the FBI subduction by Guiliani renegade agents) Agent Orange-Mr. Trump.
But, let's begin identifying this disease by stripping away the protective coating that allows its racist misogyny to enter the social mainstream: calling it ''populism." It is fascism.
Fascism is a belief attractive to authoritarian personalities in 'strongman' leaders who will 'restore' a state of being that they imagine has been removed from their rightful possession. AKA: ''Make America Great Again.'' #MAGA.
The self-destructive 'economics' of fascism, to the extent they can be said to exist within a definable field of crackpot theories, rests on two irreconcilable premises only achievable through destructive inflation or war (conflagration). Fascism can only come into power if allowed by controlling economic interests who mistakenly think they can 'control it.' Therefore the premise of 'restoring wealth' rests on 'creating prosperity,' but not at the pain of the wealthy (taxes). Enter crackpot jobs creation, walls to nowhere, and windmills in the sky, along with groups to persecute and property to appropriate (as the Jews in Germany learned in 1936). Combine and stir with large public displays of grandiosity. Then, before inflation sets back in, start to appropriate other nations (war or invasion by other means).
This is an international movement. Beware.
But, let's begin identifying this disease by stripping away the protective coating that allows its racist misogyny to enter the social mainstream: calling it ''populism." It is fascism.
Fascism is a belief attractive to authoritarian personalities in 'strongman' leaders who will 'restore' a state of being that they imagine has been removed from their rightful possession. AKA: ''Make America Great Again.'' #MAGA.
The self-destructive 'economics' of fascism, to the extent they can be said to exist within a definable field of crackpot theories, rests on two irreconcilable premises only achievable through destructive inflation or war (conflagration). Fascism can only come into power if allowed by controlling economic interests who mistakenly think they can 'control it.' Therefore the premise of 'restoring wealth' rests on 'creating prosperity,' but not at the pain of the wealthy (taxes). Enter crackpot jobs creation, walls to nowhere, and windmills in the sky, along with groups to persecute and property to appropriate (as the Jews in Germany learned in 1936). Combine and stir with large public displays of grandiosity. Then, before inflation sets back in, start to appropriate other nations (war or invasion by other means).
This is an international movement. Beware.
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Thank you for laying out your argument so clearly and cogently and supporting it with facts!
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Fascism chooses to discriminate against races or religions in the name of redistribution of wealth. Other forms of autocracy use class, or some other means of dehumanizing some segment of its society and then appropriating its wealth and property in the name of "justice" or "purity" -but the characteristics are very similar.
Trump's problem is that blacks don't have much to appropriate. Bannon sees this and eyes the Jews, hungrily. He is the one to fear the most.
Trump's problem is that blacks don't have much to appropriate. Bannon sees this and eyes the Jews, hungrily. He is the one to fear the most.
"They have to grow up and start shedding some of their more controversial elements,” said Erick Erickson, a conservative blogger and commentator."
Shed some of their elements? These people want to live in a country populated entirely with Christian whites. They had better find their own country, because that's not America.
Shed some of their elements? These people want to live in a country populated entirely with Christian whites. They had better find their own country, because that's not America.
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White supremacism is a mental health problem posturing as a socio-political identity.
Those who define their self-worth merely by skin color or any other genetic markers have not cultivated any intellectual initiative and depth. They lack the internal strength to confidently navigate society as it truly is; multi-ethnic on a global scale.
Like all fundamentalists, be they religious, political, or racial, their insecurity demands that their social environment conform to their personal exterior appearance and internal paranoia. They act to enforce a social stratification that will oppress the Others while elevating themselves to privilege and leverage over the Others.
White supremacists (or any other color-defined supremacists) are attempting to reassure themselves of their importance in the world, not through any real contribution in products and services, but by simply being born, through no effort of their own, into a certain race at a certain time as if that were an achievement.
These people are frightened and unimaginative.
Those who define their self-worth merely by skin color or any other genetic markers have not cultivated any intellectual initiative and depth. They lack the internal strength to confidently navigate society as it truly is; multi-ethnic on a global scale.
Like all fundamentalists, be they religious, political, or racial, their insecurity demands that their social environment conform to their personal exterior appearance and internal paranoia. They act to enforce a social stratification that will oppress the Others while elevating themselves to privilege and leverage over the Others.
White supremacists (or any other color-defined supremacists) are attempting to reassure themselves of their importance in the world, not through any real contribution in products and services, but by simply being born, through no effort of their own, into a certain race at a certain time as if that were an achievement.
These people are frightened and unimaginative.
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you forgot dangerous
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These white supremacists have arsenals of weapons as well. Mr. Trump has done the unimaginable. Given them prominence when before their hatred of the "other" had them on watch lists. Have no doubt about the coming storm. When in New York City, two women in a nice restaurant cannot have dinner and privately discuss the election results without one of them being violently punched in the face by a male Trump supporter dining nearby you know the tide has turned on America. Seemingly Trump supporters viscerally have all the indoctrination they need to spew their hatred for a this reality tv star starving for power and fame. And willing to do anything to get it.
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My greatest fear comes from Trump and his cronies quick triggered shots at censorship. When they occupy the WH I've no doubt it could eventually come in a police enforced form. I watch my conservative friends going on about their lives as though nothing is going to change for the worse and perhaps for them not but their awakening will come and I don't think it will take 4 years.
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How long before someone coins the term alt-left and defines it in an unflattering way as a haven for anti-semites disguised as anti-Israel along with those who no longer speak of "political revolution" but outright revolution. The Trump victory was a clarion call to violence on the far far left. I heard it. But this is a country of 330 million and hundreds of "white nationalists" or those espousing violence in the anti-trump protesters are in the hundreds. This is not Germany before 1932 and it is not pre-revolutionary Russia. It is a constitutional democracy and republic and will remain so.
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I've already read it on the CBS news comment section. Someone said alt-left.
Germany was a democracy and a republic as well. The Republicans with their Congress majority could pass laws restricting our rights, stopping elections, etc. And once Trump appoints Supreme Court Justices, they will be on board too. It has happened before and it can happen again. This election has shown us that the Republican electorate will vote for whatever you put in the ticket. David Duke would have won as well had he been the candidate, they will vote for a goat as long as there's a 'lower your taxes' promise.
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A few hundred racists meeting isn't news even if they prefer a Trump presidency over a Clinton presidency. Why would the NYT even give this group press coverage? Coverage legitimizes the cause of a very fringe nut group.
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It's very important that we lift the rock and expose these insects for who they are. Very important.
If we'd done that with Hitler early enough WWII would not have happened on the scale it did.
If we'd done that with Hitler early enough WWII would not have happened on the scale it did.
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Jim
My response to your question would be, because everyone who voted for our president elect must either agree with his racist views and associations, or have been willing to ignore or dismiss these views as stage craft, election strategy, or unimportant compared to their other priorities. From conversations with conservative friends, most simply did not believe that he would do the majority of the things he claimed as major policy initiatives. I think that ignorance and/or denial of the importance of this previously fringe group, now claiming the president elect as their champion, would be a tremendous mistake.
My response to your question would be, because everyone who voted for our president elect must either agree with his racist views and associations, or have been willing to ignore or dismiss these views as stage craft, election strategy, or unimportant compared to their other priorities. From conversations with conservative friends, most simply did not believe that he would do the majority of the things he claimed as major policy initiatives. I think that ignorance and/or denial of the importance of this previously fringe group, now claiming the president elect as their champion, would be a tremendous mistake.
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I can't help but suspect that James Comey was in attendance.
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Expect these sort of headlines will be a recurring theme, along with fears of children and all possible minority groups for the next 4 years. More melodramatic loathing and paranoia brought to you by the NYT.
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These doughnuts of people will eventually realize 'white culture' is not an actual thing. I imagine they hope to convince America that eating chips in your underwear while scouring the internet late at night is somehow cultured.
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Instead of railing against the actors in Hamilton, Trump should be publically denouncing these groups. There were moments this week, just moments, when I thought just maybe Trump could rise above the ugliness of his campaign. But, I fear, now, after watching him for only a week, he is what he is, an unapologetic white nationalists.
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The very premise points to the problem: "Intellectual leaders...argue that they are merely trying to realize...a white “ethno-state” where they can be left alone."
Oh, we should be so lucky!
A society necessarily requires people to tolerate one another, to work with one another, to co-exist. To wish for a place where one can "be left alone" is not only selfish, but unreasonable, and rather obviously, discriminatory.
Would this "ethno-state" be wholly self-sufficient? Not interact with any other state or entity? No. In fact, it could not. One might ask these "intellectual leaders" if they plan to all give up their jobs? Fund their own services?
It's just another version of Texas wishing to secede.
Personally, I wish they would find their own little land mass somewhere, move their entire Intellectual Gene Pool there, and the world would agree to shut them out just as they desire. Later, after they have torn themselves apart, starved, etc., The World can go in, bury their bones, and make it into a nice little International Park of Remembrance: "This is what ignorance reaps."
There are more than a few figures in history who The World in hindsight likely wishes that earlier on had not only been denied the freedom of speech, but the freedom to life.
Something these guys might wish to meditate upon.
Oh, we should be so lucky!
A society necessarily requires people to tolerate one another, to work with one another, to co-exist. To wish for a place where one can "be left alone" is not only selfish, but unreasonable, and rather obviously, discriminatory.
Would this "ethno-state" be wholly self-sufficient? Not interact with any other state or entity? No. In fact, it could not. One might ask these "intellectual leaders" if they plan to all give up their jobs? Fund their own services?
It's just another version of Texas wishing to secede.
Personally, I wish they would find their own little land mass somewhere, move their entire Intellectual Gene Pool there, and the world would agree to shut them out just as they desire. Later, after they have torn themselves apart, starved, etc., The World can go in, bury their bones, and make it into a nice little International Park of Remembrance: "This is what ignorance reaps."
There are more than a few figures in history who The World in hindsight likely wishes that earlier on had not only been denied the freedom of speech, but the freedom to life.
Something these guys might wish to meditate upon.
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Yes. But they can't take their children into such abuse.
The kids stay here.
The kids stay here.
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Newton's law -- "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."
The democrats treated white Christians like they are illegal aliens, that they rightfully feel insulted and ignored.
For example, the DNC is shoving Keith Ellison as the chairperson, just because he is from a minority religion, and not for any other qualifications.
Naturally, what we are seeing is a response to such extreme action -- an extreme reaction.
The democrats treated white Christians like they are illegal aliens, that they rightfully feel insulted and ignored.
For example, the DNC is shoving Keith Ellison as the chairperson, just because he is from a minority religion, and not for any other qualifications.
Naturally, what we are seeing is a response to such extreme action -- an extreme reaction.
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Any examples of Democrats treating white Christians like "illegal aliens?" What specifically does treating someone like an illegal alien entail? Arrests? Deportations? This was done to white Christians solely for being white Christians?
Or maybe your comment is just hyperbolic, unsubstantiated nonsense.
Or maybe your comment is just hyperbolic, unsubstantiated nonsense.
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The Democrats were calling out those so called Christians who were claiming the moral high ground while accepting trump who was lusting after his own daughter
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Sure, just like your delusion that Obama was only elected twice because of white guilt. You are so predictable.
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"The movement has been critical of politicians of all stripes for promoting diversity, immigration and perceived political correctness". I am an independent, far removed from the cause of supremacy, white or otherwise. Yet certain aspects of immigration and the unrestrained embrace of diversity disturb me. Far too many of both legal and illegal immigrants take pride in embracing diversity as a green light to not learn English and not assimilate into American culture. Prior immigrants took great pains to be "Americans". Many modern immigrants take great pains, not to. As far as political correctness, I have had enough of the word police. One cannot say Merry Christmas although it is the Christmas season and NOT the Holiday Season. College students are told what Halloween costumes are culturally acceptable, etc. Is it any wonder that non-supremacist Americans just have had enough of the foregoing?
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I find myself frequently misplacing things these days. Keys, wallet, gloves, hat, those kind of things. It’s terrifically frustrating, but when they unexpectedly show up in a few hours or a few days, as they usually do, I always ascribe it to the mysterious workings of G-d who in the form of my mother -- now gone from this earth for 20 years -- is still keeping an eye on me.
Yeah I know, another nutty old guy who is posting up here because he has nothing better to do.
Well maybe. But I’ve been thinking a lot about Mrs. Clinton lately, and it’s got me wondering whether the real reason she didn’t win is because G-d wanted to spare her the ugly abuse she would have had to put with as President from Mr. Trump and the ugly alt-right.
Yeah I know, another nutty old guy who is posting up here because he has nothing better to do.
Well maybe. But I’ve been thinking a lot about Mrs. Clinton lately, and it’s got me wondering whether the real reason she didn’t win is because G-d wanted to spare her the ugly abuse she would have had to put with as President from Mr. Trump and the ugly alt-right.
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First and foremost, this was a victory for white nationalists, not people like those celebrating, in this article, but a more subtle form of white nationalism that is more common. Trump's movement, despite its dressings in other issues, is primarily one of white nationalism, as I write here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/republic-georgia-shows-trump-his-fans-dep... Sadly, this election showed us that huge swaths of the American electorate is either racist or comfortable with racism, as I write here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/obama-clinton-trump-sanders-limits-racial...
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Go back to college and learn something new Sir
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No, this election was all about "the economy. stupid." A large group of voters believed they were being financially left behind. A redistribution of wealth will be the cure... it always is.
Getting news from linkedin or facebook rather than news organizations employing trained journalists results in the proliferation of distorted and outright false news reports.
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One after another, GOP politicians fall into line, genuflect and beg for crumbs. Paul Ryun has something to trade with Bannon so he'll be fine. The sickening grin on Paul's face in recent interviews tells me all I need to know about this GOP genius, his party's withdrawal from the social contract that has made this nation a Democracy, the rise of the nihilistic Tea Party, the alt-right and our chances of having fair elections again in two years...or ever. Journalists and poll takers failed to foresee what was happening. I fear that the producers of the "Hunger Games" and Zombie apocalypse shows now provide us with the clearest vision of what lies ahead. Let's really enjoy this holiday season, folks. God help us.
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Intellectual alt-rights -- isn't that an oxymoron?
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Osama Bin Laden would be smiling. This is what a successfully terrorized nation looks like.
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Please quit using te group's "gentrifed" name and return to caling them white supremacists. Political correctness applies here too.
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They will act and they will not be stopped or punished for their crimes by the incoming administration. The president-elect's first appointments have been sympathetic to or have profited from these groups.
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Boy, this term "Awakening" scares me. Cruz used it as a call to Theocracy. Now that is wedded to white power. Spells fascism to me.
Yikes!
Yikes!
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With the nominations of despicable extreme right-wing characters, Trump has initiated the beginning of the social “backward march.” The KKK, the most repugnant American association, already has praised this reactionary process ideological led by Bannon and Sessions, propagandized by FOK News. No wonder the world is asking what have we done and why? Electing, as leader of the free world, a reactionary ignorant clown is bad enough but to bask on the idea that this mentally defective entertainer, who does not understand our Constitution, will somehow make us great again is the epitome of a sick segment of our society. Our hope is his ‘tenure’ will be shortened by his own mistakes and miscalculations.
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Using the term "alt-right" is yet one more disturbing way we are normalizing racism and xenophobia. This is a white-supremacy movement, pure and simple.
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I agree; however if they use the term alt.right, we must use the term as well when we talk of the White Supremacists, KKK and their ilk. Ignoring the term wont make them go away. Expose them for what they are. The average well intentioned American wont buy into their agenda, unless we don't speak up about them in whatever cloak they wish to cover themselves with.
Agreed. This is the kind of 'political correctness' that the left needs to abandon. You can call them 'bigots,' 'hate groups,' 'the radical right' or some such thing- but alt-right just sounds ridiculous. And, if widely adopted, it will leave many Americans scratching their heads as to exactly what it means. It's hard enough getting people to read the news- let's at least make our nomenclature clear.
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Words matter, a lesson the Republicans have learned but not the Democrats. Through the use of language inheritance taxes became death taxes, end of life counseling became death panels, etc. The phrase "Alt-Right" falls into this same thesaurus trap - in this case making something odious sound legitimate I think the Times and all other reliable news sources need to stop using "Alt-Right" as a euphemism for these folks and call them what they really are - racial separatists with fascist tendencies. If it talks like a Nazi, talks like a Nazi then.... Quack!
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May your words reach God(win)'s ear.
Agree. Need something less "bigly". How about alt-white?
Always thought Democrats should have rebranded Obamacare to OBAMACARES.
Always thought Democrats should have rebranded Obamacare to OBAMACARES.
don't hold your breath waiting
White nationalists must be blind to demographics if they think they can dominate the country again. Trump's win was certainly a whitelash against diversity and immigration, however, it was made possible simply because the democratic candidate was the weakest.
White nationalists are welcome to strategize as much as they can to gain control of the local and federal governments but the stats show in two decades they will find themselves a powerless minority.
White nationalists are welcome to strategize as much as they can to gain control of the local and federal governments but the stats show in two decades they will find themselves a powerless minority.
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The hope is that they are extinguished in total by the end of the next four years! In two decades, they will have been six feet under for 16 years.
The powerful elite wealthy people are behind this. They are the ones who will benefit. Let's call it what it really is; they out-thought all the academics again, and won, again, by using fear and racism, and bigotry, to just do anything to get elected, offering no solutions to the BIG MONEY problems we face. It truly is the party of stupid. And we need to keep telling everyone they are in the party of stupid. Which proves the point; even the stupid win every now and then.
It is the Corporations who are stealing your jobs for the sake of the DOW. Profit at any cost. And just how dumb will the idiots who voted in Trump feel when things get much much worse? They will not admit they were wrong......idiots rarely do. Get ready for more RUST.....in the rust belt.
It is the Corporations who are stealing your jobs for the sake of the DOW. Profit at any cost. And just how dumb will the idiots who voted in Trump feel when things get much much worse? They will not admit they were wrong......idiots rarely do. Get ready for more RUST.....in the rust belt.
You're assuming that a minority can't govern. In a democracy, that's true, or at least partially true. But democracy can be undermined. Just look at the Jim Crow south, or at totalitarian countries in Latin America. Even in the United States, we have a situation in which the party that got a minority of votes controls the House, and the party that got a minority of votes will control the White House. Not to mention that we Democrats aren't allowed to appoint Supreme Court justices, filibuster abuse, the Hastert rule, government shutdowns, etc.
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We average Americans will not normalize hate. Period. Walk the walk, by marching, calling your congressman and for certain the heads of the Congress, McConnell and Ryan. This is not America.
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Today's white supremacist wears a suit, might be a cop, judge or president.
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Let's face it: America elected a TV personality and a very self-absorbed one. I agree that Trump really has no strong views because he's never taken the time to educate himself and thus, will be easily swayed by whoever he likes best and appoints to important posts. It's a scary time for America. I mean, really, define "white culture." It is racism with a bow on it. I have a lot of anxiety with Trump's election, and his cronies who he wants to surround him. I hope American can survive the next four years and will come to its senses.
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Its 1932 all over again. Wait til next year.
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"White nationalist" have never received such welcomed media attention as that provided by the NYT.
Without the NYT focusing on them, they would be a small hateful extremist sect that is ignored and inconsequential.
Without the NYT focusing on them, they would be a small hateful extremist sect that is ignored and inconsequential.
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They are beginning to flex their well-armed muscles. That is worth coverage and should concern every American. The Nazis started with ten people in a room talking, literally.
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"White Supremacist" gives a more accurate description than "White Nationalist". I say that because the average person knows what white supremacy means. The label of white nationlist is an attempt to make themselves sound normal, patriotic, safe. Use White Surpremacists
so everyone will understand very quickly who they are.
so everyone will understand very quickly who they are.
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Just another notch in the Republicans' belt of things to be proud of.
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No one should pretend that the white nationalist movement is out on the fringes any longer. Trump telegraphed his welcome and approval by sending Donald Jr. to Philadelphia, Mississippi on the day after the RNC Convention. The significance of the location of that visit was largely unnoticed by mainstream media, but it sent a clear message to white supremacy groups.
The Bannon appointment is clearly a move to begin the process of fully welcoming white nationalist groups to the GOP mainstream.
The Bannon appointment is clearly a move to begin the process of fully welcoming white nationalist groups to the GOP mainstream.
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if Jared Kushner is really so influential with-in the Trump family, why would he, as a Jew, promote the prominent White House role of Steve Bannon???????????????
I hope Kushner is asked that question over and over again.
We all know his public persona, he's polished, educated, already wealthy. But does he have any sort of moral compass, or possess any personal ethics at all in his quest for power and treasure?
He might just be a lot like his father-in-law.
We all know his public persona, he's polished, educated, already wealthy. But does he have any sort of moral compass, or possess any personal ethics at all in his quest for power and treasure?
He might just be a lot like his father-in-law.
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sjgood, some German Jews supported the Nazi party too, either seeing opportunity or liking the ideology. They somehow thought the anti-semitic parts applied to "other" Jews, not ones like them -- upscale, educated, civilized, patriotic Germans. And the Nazis did gloss over Jewish heritage in a very few loyalists they cared about or needed. They mentally put them in a special category -- Jewish, but not really Jewish, not bad like real Jews were.
People are complicated. Also terrible judges of relative risk. Many Trump voters want draconian bans on Muslims but support the GOP urge to slash business regulations. Yet their risk of being electrocuted by a faulty product they bought is objectively much higher than their risk from terrorist attack. Go figure.
So Kushner may see no contradiction whatsoever, as strange as it sounds. With Trump, I think of a friend's slightly demented poodle who growled and wagged at the same time. Learned the hard way to believe the growl; that friendly-looking tail was always the liar.
https://www.cpsc.gov/Research--Statistics/Injury-Statistics/
People are complicated. Also terrible judges of relative risk. Many Trump voters want draconian bans on Muslims but support the GOP urge to slash business regulations. Yet their risk of being electrocuted by a faulty product they bought is objectively much higher than their risk from terrorist attack. Go figure.
So Kushner may see no contradiction whatsoever, as strange as it sounds. With Trump, I think of a friend's slightly demented poodle who growled and wagged at the same time. Learned the hard way to believe the growl; that friendly-looking tail was always the liar.
https://www.cpsc.gov/Research--Statistics/Injury-Statistics/
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There are two forces driving the Trump machine: Neo-Nazis and power-hungry capitalists. Pointing out that Kushner is Jewish (not Orthodox, by the way) is irrelevant because religion is not a priority for these forces. Bannon and his Neo-Nazis want to ensure white males remain in power by any means. Kushner and his greed squad want to make as much money out the office of the President as the can. They are both Machiavellian and must be resisted at every turn with every possible means.
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The dreams of the "ethno-nationalists" and the dreams of the Islamic State, are not all that far from each other. Just different packaging. A different ethnic group. But the same basic instinct.
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It is good to look to the mirror sometimes!
"Intellectual leaders of the movement argue that they are merely trying to realize their desire for a white “ethno-state” where they can be left alone."
But if they are all alone, who will they blame for their failure?
But if they are all alone, who will they blame for their failure?
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Not sure what Alt-right means in the grand scheme, I understand some people may want to preserve their caucasian/European identities.
It also appears that many immigrants come there for the opportunity, but seem less enthusiastic about adopting our values as Americans. Becoming a citizen should require an immigrant to accept the values of our society.
Observing your homelands customs is fine as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of those that don't adopt that culture. I don't necessarily have an issue with those opposed to multiculturalism, but when they start attacking people of color simply because they aren't white, then that is beyond acceptable.
People don't pick their color, it is not a sign of inferiority or weakness. Many people of color helped build this nation and that's what makes America great. I think there are points to the alt-right's positions, caucasians are blamed for many ills under the guise of white privileged. The PC crowd can be overly loud and intractable to those that don't see the world as they do.
It would behoove all of us to take a moment and think about respecting the values of those we don't agree with politically. So long as those values don't infringe on your right to feel differently. When we ignore other people's opinions and fears, we risk becoming the very people we dislike so fervently.
It also appears that many immigrants come there for the opportunity, but seem less enthusiastic about adopting our values as Americans. Becoming a citizen should require an immigrant to accept the values of our society.
Observing your homelands customs is fine as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of those that don't adopt that culture. I don't necessarily have an issue with those opposed to multiculturalism, but when they start attacking people of color simply because they aren't white, then that is beyond acceptable.
People don't pick their color, it is not a sign of inferiority or weakness. Many people of color helped build this nation and that's what makes America great. I think there are points to the alt-right's positions, caucasians are blamed for many ills under the guise of white privileged. The PC crowd can be overly loud and intractable to those that don't see the world as they do.
It would behoove all of us to take a moment and think about respecting the values of those we don't agree with politically. So long as those values don't infringe on your right to feel differently. When we ignore other people's opinions and fears, we risk becoming the very people we dislike so fervently.
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They now have all 3 branches for governing. As POTUS said, now comes the difficult part. Let us see their fix for our supposedly broken country!
I hope that all sane people who stayed home in November come out to vote in 2 years- we need clean House & make these bugs crawl under where they came from.
I hope that all sane people who stayed home in November come out to vote in 2 years- we need clean House & make these bugs crawl under where they came from.
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These guys are right in some ways no one should be forced to accept anyone if they choose not to, but they are fighting a losing battle the numbers are against them, just look at birth rates and death rates.
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We thought that Mr Trump would never won. I believe his appointees define his belief system. Very dangerous and telling.
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These people sound like unapologetic racists. They should be condemned, just like BLM and La Raza.
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These guys are reminiscent of some of the fringe people that appeared with high expectations in 2008. Hopefully these are just as disappointed as those were once the administration goes to work.
They are happy just to put their heads together and form a Rock Pile.
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Could the NYT please look up the definition of "racism" and use that word when it is so very appropriate? And a meeting of "several hundred " people-why is that worthy of front page coverage?
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It's very worthy. Nobody thought there were enough angry white people to elect Trump. There were not enough in the popular vote, but due to an 18th century loophole, he's president-elect. He could not have been elected without a non-trivial number of racists, homophobes, misogynists and islamophobes. There is zero indication that Trump knows what he's doing, so he's curating people he thinks do know how to do things. It's not even close to evident that he is right about this. It's relevant to know who has his ear, and what they are doing to push their agenda. “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” Even if they are destructive.
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To associate the phrases "alt-right" and "intellectual vanguard" moves beyond oxymoron to the absurd.
“We can be the ones who are out front, who are thinking about things that he hasn’t grasped yet.” - Bannon's job.
“We can be the ones who are out front, who are thinking about things that he hasn’t grasped yet.” - Bannon's job.
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The Presidential vote, as of Nov. 19, 2016, 3:37pm:
Clinton: 63,541,056
Trump: 61,864,013.
I win.
Clinton: 63,541,056
Trump: 61,864,013.
I win.
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Thank you posting this, it certainly shows the EC result to be in opposition to the will of the majority. Electors: If you love your country you will vote to remove the Orange Oaf from the path to the WH immediately please!
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Take a man who scowled, frowned, sneered, sniffed, grimaced, paced, prowled and hand waved his way through the debates.
Add to this his Twittering, his refusal to comply with ordinary standards of behavior when it comes to dealing with his opponents, his wild accusations, his obvious lies, his crazy denials, his bragging, his grudges against fellow billionaires and media figures, his misogyny, his distaste for some minorities, his inability to apologize, his inability to accept reasonable criticism, the lowlifes like Howard Stern and the alt-right figures he routinely associates himself with, his multiple divorces, his multiple lawsuits, his multiple bankruptcies. his multiple conspiracy theories, his multiple philandering, his tangled finances so complex that they have apparently resisted efforts by the IRS to audit him, his paltry charitable giving, his grandiose claims concerning his intelligence and capacity to “fix things,” his lack of pity and remorse for victims of various swindles he has been engaged in and what do you get?
A man who is temperamentally unsuited for the job of President? A man who is dangerously unstable? A man who is plainly meshuga? No, no and no again.
What you get is the next President of the United States.
H.L. Mencken got it completely right when he wrote in 1915 that “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
So now we come to the good and hard part.
Add to this his Twittering, his refusal to comply with ordinary standards of behavior when it comes to dealing with his opponents, his wild accusations, his obvious lies, his crazy denials, his bragging, his grudges against fellow billionaires and media figures, his misogyny, his distaste for some minorities, his inability to apologize, his inability to accept reasonable criticism, the lowlifes like Howard Stern and the alt-right figures he routinely associates himself with, his multiple divorces, his multiple lawsuits, his multiple bankruptcies. his multiple conspiracy theories, his multiple philandering, his tangled finances so complex that they have apparently resisted efforts by the IRS to audit him, his paltry charitable giving, his grandiose claims concerning his intelligence and capacity to “fix things,” his lack of pity and remorse for victims of various swindles he has been engaged in and what do you get?
A man who is temperamentally unsuited for the job of President? A man who is dangerously unstable? A man who is plainly meshuga? No, no and no again.
What you get is the next President of the United States.
H.L. Mencken got it completely right when he wrote in 1915 that “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
So now we come to the good and hard part.
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Why is Trumpism and his supporters still referred to as the 'alt-right' on our shores?
In European publications - even those from the center right - , Herr Drumpf and his 'movement' have for quite some time been described nothing but fascism pure.
The latest article about fascism having finally arrived in the US of A. was published in the German weekly Der Spiegel only yesterday.
So stop calling it 'alt-right', and call it what it really is, fascism made in America.
In European publications - even those from the center right - , Herr Drumpf and his 'movement' have for quite some time been described nothing but fascism pure.
The latest article about fascism having finally arrived in the US of A. was published in the German weekly Der Spiegel only yesterday.
So stop calling it 'alt-right', and call it what it really is, fascism made in America.
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Because I think we're still all hoping and praying that it doesn't go that far. And maybe because we're scared to admit that the unthinkable has happened.
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I read this and wonder when they are they coming for a Mischling like me.
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In his book "Our Savage Neighbors," historian Peter Silver details how the various European settlers hated and mistrusted one another on the basis of their different ethnic origins and religious makeups. Only vicious border conflicts with "American Indians" (self described) created a "white" identity out of the need for a common defense. Out of the need for a common defense. Before that time, it was English versus Scots versus Irish versus Germans versus French versus Scandinavians, let alone Christian denominational hatreds. When I was a child in the 1950s, "white" was a codeword for WASP - white-Anglo-saxon-protestant. Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and eastern Europeans were not bona fide.
Our history is full of the desire for exclusivity. We live, but we don't really learn.
Our history is full of the desire for exclusivity. We live, but we don't really learn.
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Mein Kampf meets Mein Trumpf.
Hatred is power.
Heckuva' job, Trump Trash Nation.
Hatred is power.
Heckuva' job, Trump Trash Nation.
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Socrates I never thought I'd feel as though a cabinet appointment of Mitt Romney could give one a sense of Trump "leveling" off a little. This is going to be worse than we imagined I think.
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These people have been out there since the GOP Convention, but the news media jumped all over stories about emails, but forgot to cover this fascist movement and this movement does have those aspects to it.
What was the media waiting for ? Did someone have start yelling "Sieg Heil" or "America Uber Alles," for them to wake up and cover the real danger to our Republic.
But Trump was outrageous and spiked those ratings craved by the newsertainment business. Who cares about proper news when it's ratings that you crave.
What was the media waiting for ? Did someone have start yelling "Sieg Heil" or "America Uber Alles," for them to wake up and cover the real danger to our Republic.
But Trump was outrageous and spiked those ratings craved by the newsertainment business. Who cares about proper news when it's ratings that you crave.
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Nicolas Kristoff has a link today to the "Tyndall Report" on the collapse of the tv reporting for the last year and how much time they spent on issues and what they didn't bother to cover.
Total time for ABC, CBS, and NBC: 32 minutes.
ABC: 8 minutes
CBS: 16 minutes
NBC: 8 minutes.
(From the last paragraph)
"No trade, no healthcare, no climate change, no drugs, no poverty, no guns, no infrastructure, no deficits. To the extent that these issues have been mentioned, it has been on the candidates' terms, not on the networks' initiative."
http://tyndallreport.com/comment/20/5778/
Total time for ABC, CBS, and NBC: 32 minutes.
ABC: 8 minutes
CBS: 16 minutes
NBC: 8 minutes.
(From the last paragraph)
"No trade, no healthcare, no climate change, no drugs, no poverty, no guns, no infrastructure, no deficits. To the extent that these issues have been mentioned, it has been on the candidates' terms, not on the networks' initiative."
http://tyndallreport.com/comment/20/5778/
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"What was the media waiting for ? Did someone have start yelling "Sieg Heil" or "America Uber Alles," for them to wake up and cover the real danger to our Republic."
No but we love to cover ball parks with huge American flags before we start to booze!
No but we love to cover ball parks with huge American flags before we start to booze!
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Mother Jones gave this issue a lot of really good coverage. ... too bad NYT & television didn't follow their lead.
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The democrats brought these people out of the woodwork. Political correctness and cowardice to admit the truth when wrong has led to this. Liberals became the thought police and there is nothing meaner than a liberal when swaggering around a cause.
Liberals stayed with a congenital liar when they knew she was the wrong choice. They defended her when she told one lie after another.
I despise Donald Trump. But I knew this country was headed in the wrong direction. When common sense gives way to political correctness, this is what you get. A demogogue with orange hair.
Liberals stayed with a congenital liar when they knew she was the wrong choice. They defended her when she told one lie after another.
I despise Donald Trump. But I knew this country was headed in the wrong direction. When common sense gives way to political correctness, this is what you get. A demogogue with orange hair.
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Racism is wrong, no matter how you want to tell us how and why it is rising; Americans will have lost their souls if these evil people start dictating policy.
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Political correctness caused racism? One of the stupidest statements ever made on the internet and that's saying a lot. Racists cause racism, and they've been there all along. Trump's condoning and encouraging of it is what has brought these scum from under their rock.
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Good gawd, man! Listen to yourself!
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How fitting: "In the bowels of the Ronald Reagan Building ". Hundreds of supporters of The Beast arose of Hate arose to stoke hate-anger-fear-war-violence-lies and economic chaos in America and the world. It will be a short celebration.
The Progressive American Movement is underway. Hundreds of thousands of Americans - probably millions - are marching in protest to The Beast and are utilizing and planning non-violent Civil Disobedience to fight this sham of an election. Nasty Women, led by Senator Elizabeth Warren, and Progressive Men are not going to stand for this. Not now. Not ever.
Hate will not win in America. The vast majority of us have outgrown it. And it Will Not Stand.
The Progressive American Movement is underway. Hundreds of thousands of Americans - probably millions - are marching in protest to The Beast and are utilizing and planning non-violent Civil Disobedience to fight this sham of an election. Nasty Women, led by Senator Elizabeth Warren, and Progressive Men are not going to stand for this. Not now. Not ever.
Hate will not win in America. The vast majority of us have outgrown it. And it Will Not Stand.
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Judging from the response of the "nasty women", mean spirited, and vile Democrats, and Progressives, hate has won. One would have expected the name calling and nasty rhetoric would have stopped after the election. It hasn't. I believe that this is, in part, caused by the lack of reporting by the media as to any semblance of the final outcome of the election. How many electoral votes have been credited to Trump? Two weeks after the election, and a number still has not been tacked to the wall. I would suspect 306. What are the final popular vote tallies? How many more votes did Clinton get than trump? Is it a larger or smaller spread than on election night, or did Trump win the popular vote too? Everything pointed out in this article is a result of the failure of the media to report "new honestly, and with integrity. The liberals are as culpable for the "hate" as are the conservatives. Grow up.
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njglea - "The Progressive American Movement is underway.""...are utilizing and planning non-violent Civil Disobedience to fight this sham of an election."
What is it with the "progressive movement" and laws? Exactly what "sham of an election" are these people talking about? This disregard for laws started when the last administration decided to ignore laws they didn't like concerning immigration and now these "legal scholars" wish to ignore election laws. Elections have consequences, Trump won LEGALLY, stop the whining and deal with it as unified Americans.
What is it with the "progressive movement" and laws? Exactly what "sham of an election" are these people talking about? This disregard for laws started when the last administration decided to ignore laws they didn't like concerning immigration and now these "legal scholars" wish to ignore election laws. Elections have consequences, Trump won LEGALLY, stop the whining and deal with it as unified Americans.
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I believe most of Trumps strategy is Bannon's. this man has some kind of hold over him, and has awakened a natural tendency for white nationalism. I believe Trump has been coopted not only by Putin but also by Bannon and Flynn.
Because Trump is not particularly interested in history or forming his own political viewpoints, he is easily swayed by the subtle influences of power whispered by others. I can only imagine their conversations.
Watch Steve Bannon. He's been called Trump's brain. This is simply not funny. He's seditious and will keep convincing Trump to follow his darker nature.
Because Trump is not particularly interested in history or forming his own political viewpoints, he is easily swayed by the subtle influences of power whispered by others. I can only imagine their conversations.
Watch Steve Bannon. He's been called Trump's brain. This is simply not funny. He's seditious and will keep convincing Trump to follow his darker nature.
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"Darkness is good." -Steve Bannon, yesterday
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I'm not sure Bannon has a hold over him. (Unless he's also ferreted out damaging info...)
I see Bannon, for Trump, as the tactical incarnation of Roy Cohn. So, yes, watch him like a hawk. And worry about what he's doing that we can't see.
I see Bannon, for Trump, as the tactical incarnation of Roy Cohn. So, yes, watch him like a hawk. And worry about what he's doing that we can't see.
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Touché. That is spot on.
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Do they realize that Trump's son-in-law and grandchildren are Orthodox Jews? And Ivanka by conversion? And it does look like Jared Kushner and Ivanka will be secretly running things.
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It appears you've been reading the protocols of the elders of Zion?
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Religion is irrelevant here. There are only two forces at play: racism and greed.
I'm not sure that his daughter and/or son-in-law are "running" anything. Neither has ever shown any ability to understand this complex government.
But I DO think that they are pulling 24/7 worldclass BABYSITTING duty.
Remove either or both from the equation and I suspect we will see Donald running around the room, ripping at his hair and screaming bloody-murder....
..... or catatonic.
They are just there to keep the lid on him.
But I DO think that they are pulling 24/7 worldclass BABYSITTING duty.
Remove either or both from the equation and I suspect we will see Donald running around the room, ripping at his hair and screaming bloody-murder....
..... or catatonic.
They are just there to keep the lid on him.
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Hope that Mr. Trump will turn more "presidential" upon taking office is rapidly fading. I think I'll squeeze my eyes shut for four years and hope that I open them to a world that has energetically repudiated what he and his stand for.
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Closing our eyes and hoping is exactly what we must not do.
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If all Americans to as you do, closing your eyes, then we will be in deep trouble. Please reconsider this position. A lot can be destroyed in 4 years. Already there is such galling conflict of interest between Trump and his dynasty, be wary of accepting even the least of this—corruption. Do not look away from the hate. We are a country of immigrants, my own grandparents included. We can not let this aberrant President elect take away our country for his greed and divisive hate.
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Please keep your eyes wide open and your freedom of expression well exercised. We need you!
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These folks are talking tribalism. They want to take a step backward from the longtime movement of cultural evolution, an evolution that brings all people, all human beings, together. That is the opposite trend to the division that Alt Right preaches and their wish for division naturally brings on conflict.
There is no European culture either; that is a mask and there is no precedent in American law to privilege any one culture except the States' Right Southern protection of slavery for whites. And the bloody civil war put an end to that.
Alt Right is an attempt to put us through the Reconstruction of the 1870s once again; a process we've nearly forgotten that tore us apart for nearly ten years. Alt Right is merely another attempt to give Birth to a white Nation on this soil.
People with those values used to be called Nazis and look what they did to us and the rest of humanity.
There is no European culture either; that is a mask and there is no precedent in American law to privilege any one culture except the States' Right Southern protection of slavery for whites. And the bloody civil war put an end to that.
Alt Right is an attempt to put us through the Reconstruction of the 1870s once again; a process we've nearly forgotten that tore us apart for nearly ten years. Alt Right is merely another attempt to give Birth to a white Nation on this soil.
People with those values used to be called Nazis and look what they did to us and the rest of humanity.
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@Bill Bruehl: Written like an academic who needs to review his understanding of regional history and Reconstruction, which would have benefitted African Americans if it had been carried out to the letter. Recall that during Reconstruction the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments were passed, Freedman's Bureau was created, and GOP stood for diversity, whereas Democratic Party stood for obstructionism, Jim Crow and preservation of a way of life that kept Africans Americans down for generations.Woodrow Wilson was an outspoken racist, always spoke in derogatory terms of black Americans, and Bell Timmerman,whom u may have heard of since he was governor in the 1950's, was a member of the White Citizen Councils of America.He was also a Democrat.If you give credence to the pendulum theory of history, then the assertion of the "white race"--an anthropologically invalid term by the way--then after generations during which voices of "petits blancs were suppresed, they r now making their voices heard.So long as no laws r broken, and beau ideal of equal rights for all is respected, what is all the fighting about? There's room for everybody in this country, provided they obey the laws and contribute to the commonweal.
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You are deeply confused. Reconstruction was not a project of Southern whites.
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@GandyDANCER: Reconstruction was what the word implies, an effort to rebuild the south along egalitarian lines.Johnson risked impeachment because he spoke of black Americans in extremely derogatory terms and failed to carry out the letter of the law, refused to appoint requisite numbers of military governors,and contributed to a return, grosso modo,to the statu quo ante. Although slavery had officially been abolished by the 13th Amendment, thanks to Congressional Republicans, rights of freed slaves were disrspected by southern, white bitter enders,supported by the Democratic Party.CSA was a Democratic Party invention.Jefferson Davis, Alexander Stephens were Democrats. You misread my comment if you think that I referred to Reconstruction as an invention of southern whites. Quite the contrary.Democratic Party has a long, inglorious history as the party which supported segregation for over 70 years. Ultimate, tragic irony. Robert Chambliss, known to his friends as Dynamite Bob because he liked seeing things and people explode, and who put together the "engin infernal" which blew up at the black church in Birmingham, killing 4 black teenagers-- some called the city "Bombingham" because of the violence,was a card carrying Democrat and a party precinct leader.Most dangerous place in America in 1950's and 1960's was Belzoni, Mississippi, and Dem. Party registration there was almost 100 percent Democrat.
It would have been interesting to be told if there was a common religious belief held by these odious people.
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These people gathered to celebrate Trump's victory could use their time better. They should test their hypothesis of superiority of White culture or race using a scientific approach based on evidence. When I was in 5th grade in the 1960s, while growing up in India, I and my classmates thought the British were superior to Indians as they had colonized and then left India around 15 years earlier. Now, in the high school in my town, in a suburb of New York city, white students believe that Asians (e.g. Chinese, Koreans, and Indians) are naturally superior to Whites in STEM areas and family values. This is poetic for me but I think both beliefs are false. These people celebrating Trump now should look at some evidence-- graduate schools in the US in STEM areas are more than two-thirds Asian. Asian-Americans outperform whites in STEM areas in Subject SAT, AP courses, scientific competitions such as Intel/Siemens, college GPA, etc. Samsung smartphones and Japanese cars are competing with the top western brands. As the information revolution unfolds, China and India will catch up with the West. If immigration into the US is banned, Chinese and Indians would likely colonize Antarctica or the space or the moon.
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No.
Many are going to Canada, boosting economic growth.
Many are going to Canada, boosting economic growth.
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@mds. I was born in India and raised in the Philippines. My family moved us to America a couple of years before high school. That said, not sure I agree (or completely understand) your sentiment. It seems to have a tinge of the supremacy you are attempting to deride. I am confident (I'll go as far as saying I'm 100% sure) that genetics has nothing to do with the "data" you have read on Asian-Americans outperforming whites in STEM. The numbers might be accurate but the analysis is poor at best. I am sure that the results are driven by environment (which also includes the sub-culture of the sub-set of Asians who are living in America). And I personally don't think there will be colonization of Antartica/Space/Moon by the Indians -- it's far too cold, sir.
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This is what used to be called, "a bloodless Palace coup", but I don't think this kumbyya moment will last long given who it is that T is setting up to run things.
All choices so far reflect Donald Trump in stability, knowledge and attitude.
This will blow up in the neo-ALT's faces, for this is that magical moment where the rhetoric ends and the work begins.
Now 'results' must be produced.
Knock yourselves out, boys:
You have the House
You have the Senate
You have the Presidency
You have the Supreme Court.
Nothing stands in your way.
Create the United States that you have dreamed of.
Show us what you are made of.
So far you've had a billion dollar mouth....
.... and a two-cent brain.
Get to work.
All choices so far reflect Donald Trump in stability, knowledge and attitude.
This will blow up in the neo-ALT's faces, for this is that magical moment where the rhetoric ends and the work begins.
Now 'results' must be produced.
Knock yourselves out, boys:
You have the House
You have the Senate
You have the Presidency
You have the Supreme Court.
Nothing stands in your way.
Create the United States that you have dreamed of.
Show us what you are made of.
So far you've had a billion dollar mouth....
.... and a two-cent brain.
Get to work.
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The last time Republicans had the house, senate and the presidency was 1928. Less than a year later came the great depression.
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Don't forget they also have the majority of state Houses and Governer's Mansions. But if and when things go bad they'll still blame the liberals! And it will be duly reported in the New York Times.
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Nicely put.
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Supreme Court appointments matter, perhaps even more than words. In the wake of Trump's impending SOCUS picks, one may anticipate, with or without trepidation, a review of several titles of U.S. Code. Notably Title 7, EEOC and Affirmative Action, both of which may be abridged or curtailed outright by executive order.
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Just as La Raza celebrated the potential win of Hillary.
So What?
So What?
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Because La Raza wasn't looking to discriminate against anyone or mistreat them. The fact that you can't see the difference is stunning.
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Dallas. Figures.
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la Raza just means "the people"
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Sure--go ahead and have your white "celebrations". Expose the ugliness that is inside of you and your crippling fear of things you don't understand. Racism IS and will always be, a moral sin, sign of personal weakness and a stain on our society. Your little moment of "victory" doesn't change that--and we on the left will fight against racism as fiercely as you have fought against women's rights. And we will win--in spite of this tarnished and sordid election and in spite of James Comey and gerrymandering and the Koch brothers and all the rest of the forces of injustice that have aligned to elect an amoral tyrant as our president. And you guys with your phony Christian values have been exposed for the insular ignorant bigots that you really are. Hillary was right--some of you are really just deplorable.
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So how do you become involved and begin the intellectually discussion of bringing together a white nationalist group and not be labeled as a hate group or undesirable here in reverse Nazi Germany aka America....but before we discuss the racism smashed on the whites in the past 30-40 years I really feel strongly that number 1 this country must bleed out all who adhere to any religion first and foremost. No conversation on politics could even begin without that. If we are Naive enough to be swayed by false prophets in religion we will continue destrction. Jews, Christians, Muslims all to be forced into reeducation camps.
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I bet an illegal cleans your house. Pretty cheap, eh?
...and despicable.
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I disagree with the objection that this article "legitimizes" the alt-right. It shines a light on them and you can't deal with something you can't see, so turn up the wattage. They are real don't ignore them.
Not everyone who voted for Trump is in this camp, and perhaps the stark ugliness of these views will make those voters lean toward center, a workable livable center for all.
Not everyone who voted for Trump is in this camp, and perhaps the stark ugliness of these views will make those voters lean toward center, a workable livable center for all.
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Well said.
As a mild Trump supporter, (mostly in the, "any one but Her camp") I find the idea that, "determination prior to examination", is the heart of racism.
And that goes for both sides of this fence.
We will all need to be adult about this and see each other for who we are, not for who we aren't.
I can see where his election win will most definitely be a positive...if only because, we now have a discussion of our differences.
These fringe people have always been here, and in a free society always will, I also agree let the light show them for whom they really are, they will fall by the way and we, as an inclusive society will move beyond them and rise above.
As a mild Trump supporter, (mostly in the, "any one but Her camp") I find the idea that, "determination prior to examination", is the heart of racism.
And that goes for both sides of this fence.
We will all need to be adult about this and see each other for who we are, not for who we aren't.
I can see where his election win will most definitely be a positive...if only because, we now have a discussion of our differences.
These fringe people have always been here, and in a free society always will, I also agree let the light show them for whom they really are, they will fall by the way and we, as an inclusive society will move beyond them and rise above.
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Not likely; in a crisis, the center falls out
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I regret to say that those Trump voters who don't agree with the white nationalists had a good year or more to come to terms with changing their party affiliation. They either didn't care enough about the Nazi aspect, and voted for Trump anyway, or stayed home. There is no big surprise here.
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Lunatic fringe.... alt-right should not last long. They will flare up, be discredited, and cause a renewal of the Progressive Liberal party... pro-lib.
I only worry about the short term damage they can cause, and how bold and obnoxious they will become. They will try to steal federal lands for private uses and exploitation, they will alienate and persecute the races and the atheists, but hopefully they will not coalesce into a united regime. If they stay a disorganized snake pit, we will have less to deal with.
I only worry about the short term damage they can cause, and how bold and obnoxious they will become. They will try to steal federal lands for private uses and exploitation, they will alienate and persecute the races and the atheists, but hopefully they will not coalesce into a united regime. If they stay a disorganized snake pit, we will have less to deal with.
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What this story is missing is a factual review of what policies the movement is advocating, and how that compares to the emergence of far left movements in the U.S. For example, there are movements emerging which openly advocate banning white people from certain areas of college campuses, and they have had rallies, such as the one at UC Berkeley recorded on video, which have physically banned white people from walking down major sidewalks of campuses. It is possible the movement being discussed in this story has some troubling views, but the lack of actual facts about it is troubling. For example, has this organization held rallies in which African Americans wer barred from walking down sidewalks?
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Since I lived in the Bay Area for over 30 years, I didn't think your version of this sounded correct, so I did a bit of research. Here ya' go.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/youve-been-lied-anti-white-protests-uc-be...
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/youve-been-lied-anti-white-protests-uc-be...
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Please provide the source for your claims.
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Yes--It was called "Jim Crow" and "Segregation"--can you remember that?
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The Confederacy never really stopped fighting the Civil War. At long last, they appear to have finally won.
As usually happens, in its struggle to gain power Totalitarianism claims the mantle of Liberty.
USA RIP. All hail the Trumpian Reich.
As usually happens, in its struggle to gain power Totalitarianism claims the mantle of Liberty.
USA RIP. All hail the Trumpian Reich.
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They've won the battle, not the war. You can roll over and die if you want but the rest of us won't.
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You are confused as to which side in the Civil War was more totalitarian. Do you even have a clue as to what the word means?
Can anything be "more totalitarian" than a society which commercially enslaves millions of human beings?
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Words matter! Maybe the president-elect will come to see that. You can't spew hate and then try to take some of it back or attempt to put boundaries around it. Trump said a slew of unacceptable things during the campaign, some of which, in some Western nations, might have landed him in jail. Free speech comes with responsibility. Shouting fire in a theater is a metaphor. He shouted it plenty of times and now the rest of us will pay.
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What spewed out of his mouth was pure evil, he is unable to control it. The man is deplorable, as are the deplorables who chose him.
How naive many Americans are; they're in denial because they are ignorant of history, willfully ignorant. When the Rump takes office, it may be the end of the American experiment, started 240 years ago by the creme de la creme of the Enlightenment. By voting for Rump, American may have pulled the chain and the flushing of the Constitution down the toilet is underway, and the fools don't even realize it.
How naive many Americans are; they're in denial because they are ignorant of history, willfully ignorant. When the Rump takes office, it may be the end of the American experiment, started 240 years ago by the creme de la creme of the Enlightenment. By voting for Rump, American may have pulled the chain and the flushing of the Constitution down the toilet is underway, and the fools don't even realize it.
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Free speech is not bounded by what YOU consider acceptable. And any nation in which Trump would have been jailed doesn't have it.
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More than half the popular vote was won by Hillary Clinton; the hate groups Trump is empowering do not represent most voters, not even mody Trump voters.
We should be sure to never ignore what Trump, Pence, the Republican party are doing, and to challenge their hatefull whites only policies and procedures. Their unbalance and intolerance of anyone except white males is not normal, and it is not American.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/career_...
We should be sure to never ignore what Trump, Pence, the Republican party are doing, and to challenge their hatefull whites only policies and procedures. Their unbalance and intolerance of anyone except white males is not normal, and it is not American.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/career_...
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Many Republicans do not identify with the alt-right. I woild go even further and say "most" don't. My Republican relatives were all anti-Trumpers. A large segment of Republican former national security leaders were ant-Trump. Unfortunately, many Democrats voted for Trump. Congressional Republicans are trying to show unity right now but I don't believe it will last.
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" the hate groups Trump is empowering do not represent most voters,"
Nor do the "peaceful" anti-Trump rioters in many cities represent most voters.
Nor do the "peaceful" anti-Trump rioters in many cities represent most voters.
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"Many Republicans do not identify with the alt-right. I woild go even further and say "most" don't."
The same could be said for Weimar-era Germans and the Nazi Party, but unfortunately the story didn't end there and our story doesn't end here.
The same could be said for Weimar-era Germans and the Nazi Party, but unfortunately the story didn't end there and our story doesn't end here.
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"He predicted that Mr. Trump might disappoint white nationalists in the same way that President Obama disappointed some of his supporters by failing to bring postracial unity to the nation."
Does this logically imply that he believes Trump will bring post-racial unity?
Does this logically imply that he believes Trump will bring post-racial unity?
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No.
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How many Donald Trump's supporters,do these 100-200 extremists out of 61,864,015 voters for Trump represent? 0.000323289718586807%. Now that is your NYT Headline: "NYT Writers Legitimize White Nationalist Extremists at Meeting Representing 0.000323289718586807% of Donald Trump Voters." But the honest facts would not have the same tabloid "appeal," would they? You need to think about the consequences of taking 0.0003% of voters and "glamorizing" extreme views as "legitimate." Because you own that.
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And who owns Trump's hateful rhetoric throughout the campaign?
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It hardly matters the fraction of Trump supports who are white nationalist when one of them is the president elect's chief strategists.
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We must have been listening to a different Donald Trump. Donald Trump has legitimized their views by running on their agenda. Steve Bannon was a first day appointment and doesn't need Senate consent.
People who voted for Trump know what he stands for, he told them.
People who voted for Trump know what he stands for, he told them.
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well, movements taking place in the "bowels" of the Ronald Reagan building all behave similarly on their way out to the open.
thanks for this article, i can see that these people all worship a white-god certainly not the aramaic-semite descended person of Jesus Christ. now Mr Trump will be able to register them too! and vet them for American values and loyalty to our way of life!
thanks for this article, i can see that these people all worship a white-god certainly not the aramaic-semite descended person of Jesus Christ. now Mr Trump will be able to register them too! and vet them for American values and loyalty to our way of life!
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Jesus Christ is dead!
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The country which elected Barack Obama twice is the same country that elected Donald Trump as it's president. The current talking points adopted by the mainstream media do little to advance the national dialogue, as intended.
As a long time reader of the Times I would urge people to move past their comfort zone of NYT, NPR, CNN, Slate, HP, Salon, et al and step out of the echo chamber-you may just be surprised by what you find. From beating the war drum for the invasion of Iraq to the shameless shilling for HRC this once great newspaper has utterly disgraced itself over and over again.
As a long time reader of the Times I would urge people to move past their comfort zone of NYT, NPR, CNN, Slate, HP, Salon, et al and step out of the echo chamber-you may just be surprised by what you find. From beating the war drum for the invasion of Iraq to the shameless shilling for HRC this once great newspaper has utterly disgraced itself over and over again.
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PJENYC,
FOX news is certainly no echo chamber. No shilling for the WMDs. No hyperpartisan flag waving graphics.
Sorry , but I remember when everyone who even expressed misgivings about invading Iraq was labeled a TRAITOR.
Yes the Times screwed up badly, but NOTHING like those who demand to this day that Iraq had WMDs. So feel free to return to the Breitbart mausoleum for the formerly unemployable.
FOX news is certainly no echo chamber. No shilling for the WMDs. No hyperpartisan flag waving graphics.
Sorry , but I remember when everyone who even expressed misgivings about invading Iraq was labeled a TRAITOR.
Yes the Times screwed up badly, but NOTHING like those who demand to this day that Iraq had WMDs. So feel free to return to the Breitbart mausoleum for the formerly unemployable.
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Fox is owned and operated by the arch Globalist Rupert Murdoch and its editorial content is about to veer left to the "center" as a reaction to the DJT agenda. I don't watch TV so I neglected to mention Fox which, as you point out correctly, was more than happy to grease the skids for our slide into that meat-grinder of a conflict.
But Dan, sounds like you are almost there....take the "Red Pill" and see what happens.
But Dan, sounds like you are almost there....take the "Red Pill" and see what happens.
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No thanks Foxmeister. Now that IS shilling.
Of all the candidates in the Republican primary, Trump is the farthest from right wing. Socially he is as liberal as most Democrats. The press continues to show their hubris in their denials of their own elitist views as they desperately try to make the masses believe that these wing nuts are typical of Trump voters. Truly, the only people who care about the right wing nuts, are the left wing nuts.
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Whatever Trump himself believes or doesn't believe, you can't deny the influence of the extreme right wing in his campaign and future government. Just look at his vice-presidential pick, let alone upcoming cabinet appointees!
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What an interesting view, and how succinctly put in your last sentence. Thanks, KayHH.
Registering Muslims, vowing to overturn Roe V. Wade, appointing Session, Bannon, Flynn, Pompeo, Ken Blackwell (The man who can cure "gayness"), yeah Trump isn't right wing, and his picks are so socially liberal. This is exactly how Trump won. People didn't believe he would do what he said he would do. And now as he fleshes out his administration with some of the most extreme people possible, they still don't believe he will do what he said he will do. Pay attention people! Our Republic depends upon it.
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