Calm down, folks. There is not a thing you can do to stop this train wreck. It will have to run its course. Just be ready with a better plan when the next round of elections arrives.
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I think many had assumed the Secretary would be Walid Phares.
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"Would be wise to . . ." Ooops.
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Indeed, this demagogic, corruption-swathed clod has made a career of demonstrating poor judgment. It should maybe be noted, too, that his prominence is due in no small part to the attention long bestowed on him by the media. "America's mayor." Huh?
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Sen. Rand Paul (R) KY makes the best sense to be Trump's Secretary of State. Paul has the proven foreign policy experience required for the job and is very thoughtful about not getting the US entangled in any more necessary wars which jives with Trump's mindset on the same issue.
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This excellent editorial just about makes his appointment as SOS inevitable.Alas.
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The Trump administration will likely be a mix of ultra conservative people, some qualified but scarily extreme and others simply not up to the job. The atmosphere, one of conflict and some disorder. Expect some very nasty infighting and perhaps a revolving door.
Worse still, the man we have put in power, and the people he surrounds himself with, have no compassion for the American people. This will be tough. Get used to it.
Worse still, the man we have put in power, and the people he surrounds himself with, have no compassion for the American people. This will be tough. Get used to it.
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Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It's off to WAR we go!!
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Giuliani will be the perfect secretary of State for Trump. A stooge who will insult the rest of the world just like his boss.
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what you failed to mention was the numbers of innocent fire fighters and other emergency personnel who lost their lives because of his decision to base the command center in the WTC.
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Really. Consider the pool from which Trump has to draw. Small and shrinking. So far, he will only consider his friends and loyalists. From such a shallow pool, who will suggest anyone reasonable from outside his circle? Who will he listen to?
His son-in-law, with his vast knowledge of the foreign/ domestic/ security/ intelligence/ immigration/ scientific sectors? Scary indeed.
His son-in-law, with his vast knowledge of the foreign/ domestic/ security/ intelligence/ immigration/ scientific sectors? Scary indeed.
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This editorial, like most editorials since the start of this election cycle, is just more of the same one sided trash the NY Times is becoming known for. You demonize Giuliani and reach for failures in him that you forgive in others. Clinton makes more money than Giuliani doing the exact same thing you portray as criminal. You go so far as to find the most humiliating photo you can find to go with your story. I loved the NY Times as a young Journalism major in college. The thing is, this article could just as well go on your front page, as the Times seems unable to publish a story that does not editorialize.
I am afraid that journalism is losing its role as a balance in government. Like so many other news outlets, the Times is less interested in covering the news than becoming an agent of change. The public has lost faith in our news agencies. What happened to the Jouranalist's creed?
I am afraid that journalism is losing its role as a balance in government. Like so many other news outlets, the Times is less interested in covering the news than becoming an agent of change. The public has lost faith in our news agencies. What happened to the Jouranalist's creed?
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I thought it was insane enough when Giuliani's name was being floated for Attorney General. However, he did at least have some experience in the field. Hey, we survived John Mitchell, Ed Meese and Alberto Gonzalez, we would have survived Giuliani.
Secretary of State? This is not a cabinet position in which a loose-lipped, angry clown with ADD is going to excel. Lots of meetings, really boring ones, where every word uttered can be cause for collapse leading to catastrophe. Lots of encounters on a daily basis with representatives of countries whose interests are totally at odds with those of the U.S.. Seemingly endless, painstaking negotiations to create incremental progress amongst fragile coalitions. Intense media scrutiny with thousands of pundits parsing your every word for mistakes that can be turned into headlines.
Does any of this sound like the C.V. of Rudy G.? Put aside his scary positions on issues of the day for a moment (c'mon, try!) and just think about his work history and his role in the press and the public eye over the decades. The position requires someone of extreme competence with a questioning mind and an encyclopedic knowledge of world history and geography. Does any of that sound like Mayor 9-11? Please, let's have someone who knows what the hell he's doing in Foggy Bottom.
Secretary of State? This is not a cabinet position in which a loose-lipped, angry clown with ADD is going to excel. Lots of meetings, really boring ones, where every word uttered can be cause for collapse leading to catastrophe. Lots of encounters on a daily basis with representatives of countries whose interests are totally at odds with those of the U.S.. Seemingly endless, painstaking negotiations to create incremental progress amongst fragile coalitions. Intense media scrutiny with thousands of pundits parsing your every word for mistakes that can be turned into headlines.
Does any of this sound like the C.V. of Rudy G.? Put aside his scary positions on issues of the day for a moment (c'mon, try!) and just think about his work history and his role in the press and the public eye over the decades. The position requires someone of extreme competence with a questioning mind and an encyclopedic knowledge of world history and geography. Does any of that sound like Mayor 9-11? Please, let's have someone who knows what the hell he's doing in Foggy Bottom.
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It's 1969 all over again. Only this time we don't have the savvy and infrastructure the anti-war and civil rights used to push back. The only thing that will stop this madness is civil action. Yes, taking to the streets in peaceful protest.
If we do nothing Donald Trump might just end up being the last American President. He is dragging us into a constitutional crisis and we must not let it come to a new Constitutional Convention. That is the biggest dream of reactionary right and it should be your worst nightmare.
Please stop calling the Klan and the John Birch Society: ALT-Right. They have never been a rational alternative nor are they right about one darn thing.
If we do nothing Donald Trump might just end up being the last American President. He is dragging us into a constitutional crisis and we must not let it come to a new Constitutional Convention. That is the biggest dream of reactionary right and it should be your worst nightmare.
Please stop calling the Klan and the John Birch Society: ALT-Right. They have never been a rational alternative nor are they right about one darn thing.
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Let me count the ways. Giuliani has no experience, has a terrible temperament for the job, and is arrogant. Sec of State is a diplomatic role. Wrong choice.
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Welcome to 1984 where up is down. Facts no longer matter only hype and spin the tools of a high powered salesman. Sadly when truth and facts no longer matter the door is open to fascism which has taken place already with the appointment of Bannon as chief consultant. He is high powered enough to walk over not only wishy washy Preibus but con the con artist in chief. Hard fought for civil rights are in serious jeopardy and only a free press can monitor this regime and of course Mr. Trump knows that so he resorts to his little marco type insults which worked in the campaign. There seems to be no change in Mr. Trumps demeanor he still does not seem to accept that the presidency is limited in power he was not elected dictator as his hero Mr. Putin is.
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Anyone Trump appointed would be unsatisfactory to the arbiter of the effete elite, for any of the cabinet positions, actually for any position at all. The fact that Trump is the president-elect makes no difference to the dilettantes that deign to designate how we should vote, think, and consider the results of the election. This anonymous, self appointed judge, jury and executioner which singles out targets of opportunity according to ideology and ease of being framed lacks the guts to sign an "editorial" so the hatchet man of the hour won't have to take responsibility and some well deserved excoriation from the victim who is usually living in the real world and has better things to do than lend any credence to outlandish, imaginary, and very childish propaganda. Just for the record folks, your smug betters are apoplectic that the hoi polloi have rejected their advice, extracted after long years in a sealed ivory tower, and elected their nightmare.Like spoiled brats they're gonna show you how wrong you were to disregard their sage wisdom. I believe they've received exactly what their vain, egotistical and wrong pronouncements deserve. They are being ignored and laughed at and the world is moving on. The propaganda is consuming its' authors. I wouldn't believe a word they say, including the and and.
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This editorial and many of the comments here are focused on how remarkably unqualified Giuliani is to be Secretary of State. Fair enough, but I think this is overlooking the very obvious possibility that the President-elect is planning to take foreign relations into his own hands and just bypass the State Department to some as-yet unknown degree. In that case Giuliani's primary job qualification would be to stay out of the way, which he is probably very willing to do.
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Stop writing comments here. Go out into the wilderness and actually talk to people who voted for Trump. You can rage on this little board for all of no one to read. Go ahead. You can cry cry cry and wail and gnash your teeth.
But if you don't actually find a Trump voter and meaningfully convince him or her, and I actually mean exactly one voter, no matter who, of a better way of doing things, then it will only get worse in 2018.
Now is your moment. HRC was not a change. DJT was a change. People walked into the booth and privately voted for him because they feared that if they didn't shake things up, then their job situation would only get worse.
You must talk to them, face to face, not on Twitter or here or PhacebUUk(aki) or any other social media. Activism is not a retweet or a "like" or a repost or a "share". That is a complete failure.
You must now get outside your comfort zone and actually talk to people with whom you disagree, and get into a friendly fight, never insulting them, but rather give your best to respect them as people as you wish them to respect women, LBGT, other race backgrounds and on and on and on. If you cannot respect them enough to talk to them without screaming, then your ideas will deserve to lose.
Go forth and convince one person. Drive to a red state and do your Missionary Work.
Let the editorial board here write the editorials. Learn good arguments, wear a USA flag pin and nice clothes, and go talk to people.
All else is bunk.
But if you don't actually find a Trump voter and meaningfully convince him or her, and I actually mean exactly one voter, no matter who, of a better way of doing things, then it will only get worse in 2018.
Now is your moment. HRC was not a change. DJT was a change. People walked into the booth and privately voted for him because they feared that if they didn't shake things up, then their job situation would only get worse.
You must talk to them, face to face, not on Twitter or here or PhacebUUk(aki) or any other social media. Activism is not a retweet or a "like" or a repost or a "share". That is a complete failure.
You must now get outside your comfort zone and actually talk to people with whom you disagree, and get into a friendly fight, never insulting them, but rather give your best to respect them as people as you wish them to respect women, LBGT, other race backgrounds and on and on and on. If you cannot respect them enough to talk to them without screaming, then your ideas will deserve to lose.
Go forth and convince one person. Drive to a red state and do your Missionary Work.
Let the editorial board here write the editorials. Learn good arguments, wear a USA flag pin and nice clothes, and go talk to people.
All else is bunk.
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The idea of Rudy Giuliani as Secretary of State is pretty mind-bogglingly bad, but once you get past that you can readily see what the President-elect has in mind. Having won the election "pretty easily", he is now confirmed in his self-image as political genius, and manifestly wants to run American foreign policy by himself. That makes Giuliani really the perfect choice: loyal as a lap dog, no ideas of his own to mess things up, with a little personal flamboyancy thrown in to distract the easily-misled (who are legion, having voted for him).
Watch out for what comes next.
Watch out for what comes next.
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Yikes!! We are down to a choice between Rudy G. and John Bolton. What can go wrong here? Rudy has no background for the job, and will just prance across the world stage seeking plaudits. Bolton will sneak away into dark corners planning the final solution to all international issues resulting in America being finally recognized as the supreme world power never again to be challenged.
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This editorial should clinch it for Rudy.
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November 16, 2016
Fine wisdom in today's Editorial. Rudy Giuliani is just not able to lead on the International world stage - and with his boss President Elect Trump he will not add to the depth and historical eloquence - he's more to quick to pronounce his conclusions as visionary doctrine that just is more his magic lighting eyes - and what's that to do with commanding the Department of State - not much
jja Manhattan, N.Y.
Fine wisdom in today's Editorial. Rudy Giuliani is just not able to lead on the International world stage - and with his boss President Elect Trump he will not add to the depth and historical eloquence - he's more to quick to pronounce his conclusions as visionary doctrine that just is more his magic lighting eyes - and what's that to do with commanding the Department of State - not much
jja Manhattan, N.Y.
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I imagine it's possible to find a thoughtful capable diplomat from within our professional State Dept ranks, but think about this....
Under the two recent administrations - one Democrat, one Republican -- North Korea obtained and is perfecting nuclear capability and the capacity to launch nukes via missile; Iran gained 'peaceful' nuclear capabilities that could produce weapon grade nuclear fuel within a year should the feeble nuclear agreement break, Syrria launched an internal war against its own citizens, Russia annexed one sovereign nation and came close to annexing a second while its weapons shot down a commercial airliner full of innocent civilians, ISIS was born, China began a campaign of intimidation across the South China Sea to ensure unlimited shipping access as it price-gouges the world, we totally missed the whole Brexit thing, and so on....
I think we can look past our career diplomats. Rudy is not be the guy, but career diplomacy doesn't seem to be working either. So let's not overlook saner options outside the State Dept.
Under the two recent administrations - one Democrat, one Republican -- North Korea obtained and is perfecting nuclear capability and the capacity to launch nukes via missile; Iran gained 'peaceful' nuclear capabilities that could produce weapon grade nuclear fuel within a year should the feeble nuclear agreement break, Syrria launched an internal war against its own citizens, Russia annexed one sovereign nation and came close to annexing a second while its weapons shot down a commercial airliner full of innocent civilians, ISIS was born, China began a campaign of intimidation across the South China Sea to ensure unlimited shipping access as it price-gouges the world, we totally missed the whole Brexit thing, and so on....
I think we can look past our career diplomats. Rudy is not be the guy, but career diplomacy doesn't seem to be working either. So let's not overlook saner options outside the State Dept.
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Mr. Trump made a big and ridiculous issue about Mrs. Clinton's "poor judgement."
Bannon. Giuliani. His own family as part of the transition team when they are supposed to be splitting off the family business.
This goes beyond poor judgement and well into the utterly irresponsible.
150 years later, the "Know Nothing" movement is alive and well.
Bannon. Giuliani. His own family as part of the transition team when they are supposed to be splitting off the family business.
This goes beyond poor judgement and well into the utterly irresponsible.
150 years later, the "Know Nothing" movement is alive and well.
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It's not that I'm afraid of Giuliani, even though he has actually done everything Hillary Clinton was only accused of; what really scares me is that he might bring Bernie Kerik with him.
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Unlike yourself, I dread them both.
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@ Neal like what exactly?
NYT wanted to tell us who should be President.
Now NYT telling us who rest of cabinet should be.
Now NYT telling us who rest of cabinet should be.
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No. The NYT said which candidate it would endorse and the reason why.
It was up to voters to make an informed decision for themselves.
And they didn't...
It was up to voters to make an informed decision for themselves.
And they didn't...
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Would you please stop hyperventilating?
The election of Trump, while extremely unfortunate, is not the 2nd coming of the Ermächtigungsgesetz of 1933.
Please stop acting like it is.
The election of Trump, while extremely unfortunate, is not the 2nd coming of the Ermächtigungsgesetz of 1933.
Please stop acting like it is.
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A promise of a cabinet "of the greatest people" that turns out to be a revolving door of campaign loyalists and hacks is not nothing. So far the lobbyists and Wall Streeters are finding Trump most accommodating, despite the blabber about outsider status.
Wake it on up. There is a lot at stake.
Wake it on up. There is a lot at stake.
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All Giuliani did to "earn" the ttle "America's Mayor" was happen to be the mayor of NYC on 9/11/01. And he has sinced milked that for literally everything it's worth, as have the NYFD, the NYPD, and myriad other "first responders."
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It is not difficult to understand why Herr Trumpf wants people like Giuliani- he is a weak clone of der Trumpf and will be very easy to control. But he will never be an honorable Secretary of anything. A blot on the history of the State Department and the U.S. The President-elect should have chosen someone with a little PERSONAL dignity. Shame on us.......
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According to the NYT article by Landler, Lipton and Becker, Giuliani made over 11 millions in speeches in 2006 alone, something they decried Hillary for. Can we all know their content please as well now? Plus, it is time to investigate his cozy relationship with the FBI cirlces, to whom he by his own statements has purported excellent insider connections. This is clearly against the law. His announcement two days prior to Comey’s letter should be totally investigated. Let the fun begin: They wanted to drain the swamp, let’s start with their own...
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'America's Mayor' as Attorney General is a nonstarter for even a GOP-controlled US Senate.
Bernard Kerik is a heavy burden, don'cha know.
So Trump threw him a consolation prize, Secretary of State.
Farce.
Bernard Kerik is a heavy burden, don'cha know.
So Trump threw him a consolation prize, Secretary of State.
Farce.
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Based on Giuliani ‘s actions and utterances of the last one year, it is obvious that among all the contenders he has been the loudest and most persistent voice screaming “Pick me! He is shamelessly jumping like a dog whose master has now doggie treats in his hand. Trump is said to be nice to his loyalist, and is likely to throw some dog chow Giuliani’s way. Otherwise we will all have to see Giuliani make sad puppy eyes.
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Now that the NYT ed. board has made their position clear on RG ( with which I concur 100%), President elect The Donald, will no doubt appoint this clown just for spite; which is one of his main attributes, as he himself has stated.
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Consider your options, folks: better Giuliani than John Bolten.
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How does Rudy have a job-disqualifying conflict of interest yet you give Hillary a free pass? You guys sound like a joke.
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It was a conflict of interest to the GOP who hated her. It was fine for Trump and now it is fine for Rudy.
Pointing out the ridiculous Double Standard is not the problem.
Pointing out the ridiculous Double Standard is not the problem.
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You know...this editorial is probably only going to encourage Trump to nominate Giuliani for Secretary of State right? Perhaps that's the point though. Let the administration fall into chaos.
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What is the alternative ?
Say nothing because you are afraid Trump might do something stupid?
Hehe
Say nothing because you are afraid Trump might do something stupid?
Hehe
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I'm O.K. With it. By the way , President elect Trump could care less what you think NYT's or your commenters, He won, wishing the future Secretary of State Rudy Giuliani God speed .
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"A successful secretary of state must be steeped in history and geopolitics and have shrewd negotiating skills and a clear sense of America’s capabilities, principles and the limits of Washington’s power."
NYT can you provide us an example of this mythical diplomatic figure for whom you suggest? Certainly not anyone on this list- Here is the current plus the last 7: Kerry, Clinton, Rice, Powell, Albright, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger
I don't think any of them had the above criteria you are looking for- and Kissinger should be tried as a war criminal and thrown in Jail.
The entire group are a bunch of mediocre bureaucrats or political hacks. Just pawns among kings...
NYT can you provide us an example of this mythical diplomatic figure for whom you suggest? Certainly not anyone on this list- Here is the current plus the last 7: Kerry, Clinton, Rice, Powell, Albright, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger
I don't think any of them had the above criteria you are looking for- and Kissinger should be tried as a war criminal and thrown in Jail.
The entire group are a bunch of mediocre bureaucrats or political hacks. Just pawns among kings...
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What a shock, the New York Times opposes Rudolph Giuliani! Having essentially admitted that they misreported the most consequential presidential campaign of the last 50 years, now we're supposed to value the opinion of The Times?! Rudolph Giuliani is eminently qualified to serve as Secretary of State.
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I am conflicted. On one side I cringe when I hear Guiliani or Bolten mentioned for secretary of state or the EPA transition chief Myron Ebell. But then I think maybe it is better for Trump to pick Vlad the Impaler and Attila the Hun for cabinet posts and just crash hard and early.
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Let's keep it simple: Giuliani is a great manager and used a good strategy to reduce crime in NY (implemented by other people) but he is not a diplomatic, or an expert in world politics nor in the kind of street fights happening in Mosul
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I would think that Giuliani is much more qualified to be the "Secretary of Hate" under a Trump maladministration rather than the "Secretary of State". I'm confident that Americans in general had never heard as much rancor and hateful rhetoric as they heard spew forth from those toxic vessels (i.e. DJT and his surrogates) during the recently concluded presidential campaign.
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A dog with Rudy's temperament would end up at the Vet to be put to sleep. He was virtually frothing at the GOP convention. Time to exit the stage.
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We are seeing are a series of bad choices that are bad for this country. Conflicts of interest abound. Steve Bannon, Mr. Giuliani, the Trump "children", Trump's business interests, and a blind trust that is anything but blind. No one should be surprised in the least as this disaster unfolds and the Republicans in Congress stand around gloating and promising to "go bold". I'm afraid that Mr. Trump's base are going to be mightily disappointed, as it appears that instead of being anti-establishment and shaking things up, Mr. Trump is merely dragging along his loyal cronies, lobbyists, and other Washington insiders. I thought he intended to drain the swamp. Meanwhile the QVC appears to be setting up a White House branch as Ivanka Trump uses the free publicity to hawk her clothing and jewelry. What a travesty.
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NYT continues its patronizing assault on anthing that isnt european socialism. Guess what boys--your side lost the elction, and now we will have some government officials who will take a different tack. Guiliani is just as qualified as John Kerry, or Hillary Clinton, or others. My first choice would have been Newt Gingrich, who by the way holds a PhD in European history--but im sure you wouldn't like that..
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Trump shouldn't be President, but He will be come January. I'm not a Trump supporter, but as a President, he has the right to chose who to work with. The Establishment, Media included should not give Trump reason to blame them for his future failures.
We don't want Trump supporters to think 4 year from now that Trump could have been a successful President if he had surrounded himself with his own people.
We don't want Trump supporters to think 4 year from now that Trump could have been a successful President if he had surrounded himself with his own people.
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How well-read is Giuliani about the world? John F. Kennedy set into motion a trend that was followed in subsequent years by other presidents. He brought onboard well-read academics who knew the world, although over Vietnam they failed miserably. Those, like Giuliani and John Bolton, who think that the U.S., under Trump's administration, would bully the rest of the world into submission, will disappointed. Diplomacy, which is what the rest of the world expects from the U.S. in this time of turbulence around the world, would suffer tremendously were either of these two (Bolton and Giuliani) men to become Secretary of State. They all lack the chops of a diplomat.
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The general collapse of an ancient and rotted ruling class is underway. The class that established the slave states, undermined the constitution, lost the physical Civil War but won, with the election of Reagan, the political and social war is finally imploding on its rotten self. The Class existing in its super luxurious bubble of of superiority illusion is insane, completely out of touch with Reality.
It is logical that they would place another insane, or as you called him "unhinged" person in the position of Secretary of State. How better hold on to power than to redivide the planet into warring states. They have already made a religious fanatic transition chairman. Who do you think will be the head of Homeland Security? Joe Arpaio is available.
Even a superficial glance at the history of the last 5000 years of history will reveal that collapse happens when the society gets so rotten it can't sustain itself anymore.
Thing is we always recover after we take out the trash and will this time too. Trump is just a catalyst.
The times are out of joint... enter Hamlet to make things right.
It is logical that they would place another insane, or as you called him "unhinged" person in the position of Secretary of State. How better hold on to power than to redivide the planet into warring states. They have already made a religious fanatic transition chairman. Who do you think will be the head of Homeland Security? Joe Arpaio is available.
Even a superficial glance at the history of the last 5000 years of history will reveal that collapse happens when the society gets so rotten it can't sustain itself anymore.
Thing is we always recover after we take out the trash and will this time too. Trump is just a catalyst.
The times are out of joint... enter Hamlet to make things right.
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Is it possible that hackers were able to change a few results in the closest swing states. If it is at all possible it should be investigated thoroughly.
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The editorial bard writes: "Anyone offering sound advice would urge [Trump] to scrap plans to have Mr. Giuliani run the State Department."
From what we've seen so far, anyone offering sound advice will be disregarded at best and more likely vilified.
From what we've seen so far, anyone offering sound advice will be disregarded at best and more likely vilified.
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My opinion of Mr. Giuliani has been shaped by his appearances on TV over the last year - and in the longer term by the company he keeps. He appears to me to be a candidate for a diagnosis of the onset of dementia.
What have we done? Cry, the dimwitted country.
What have we done? Cry, the dimwitted country.
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I want Rudy 9/11 Giuliani to be the next Secretary of State. I want the most ill prepared unqualified people possible in key positions. Please give security clearance of the highest order to the Trumpy children. Even the 10 year old. Let them get a tasteof real work, as Donny Trump will soon see. A job he did not expect, did / does not want, is completely unsuited and unprepared for, yes, put in extremely inexperienced people, radicals like Steve Banmon. Do a terrible job. Please.
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Which would be worse, Giuliani or John Bolton?
Giuliani is the least diplomatic person I know.
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Right, Times Editors. You also wrote in September "Why Donald Trump Should Not Be President." Not sure anyone's paying attention to you right now. How about those Giants, though? They've won 4 in a row. Maybe opine on that.
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If you actually bothered to count the comments, you'd see that there evidently quite a few people who are still paying attention...you're just not one of them.
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No. Nope. Never. The isn't your city any longer Rudy. The world is not your oyster. You only want to do this because Hillary Clinton did.
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Gee Hillary had an illegal server in her home perhaps you think he might want one too.
Mayor Giuliani did a super job as U.S. Attorney in NY for a number of years, then in serving as mayor of NYC for eight years. His particular service in raising the spirits and economic health of the city and its citizens after 9/11 deserves every kudo imaginable. During that service in NYC, Mr. Giuliani became friends with Mr. Trump, and they've maintained their friendship throughout the years - something which cannot and should not be underappreciated.
However, as is the case with a number of Republican leaders, Mr. Giuliani has actively supported someone who has a limitless history of bullying others, unwarranted insults, racist comments, and assaults on woman. And it will never, ever be appropriate for any thinking American to find such abhorrent personal behavior and disrespect for the human dignity of others to be acceptable.
Hopefully Mr. Giuliani and other leaders in our government will realize that vile personal behavior and disrespect for the human dignity of others should always be called out for what it is, and be strongly objected to – particularly by those in seats of power to which they were elected or appointed to serve.
However, as is the case with a number of Republican leaders, Mr. Giuliani has actively supported someone who has a limitless history of bullying others, unwarranted insults, racist comments, and assaults on woman. And it will never, ever be appropriate for any thinking American to find such abhorrent personal behavior and disrespect for the human dignity of others to be acceptable.
Hopefully Mr. Giuliani and other leaders in our government will realize that vile personal behavior and disrespect for the human dignity of others should always be called out for what it is, and be strongly objected to – particularly by those in seats of power to which they were elected or appointed to serve.
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Giuliani acts and talks like a thug and a bully, his intelligence level and thinking is low. Besides his connections to foreign governments and entities and earning millions from them, his connections to some local businesses fronted by " clean people" should be examined which he tried to cultivate in hope of running as a senator and US President in order to collect funds for elections. And his loyalty to Trump should be examined, there have to be some favors bordering on illegality for Trump when Giuliani was the mayor.
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(fyi our names should read Mighty Xee and Gary Mescon): please view firemen speak via link at bottom. Guiliani was at the helm on 9-11 and as Mayor was responsible for tampering with evidence at the scene of one of the most massive crimes in American history: his authorizing the shipping of the most of the steel girders, rushing away evidence from the scene of a crime, placing this evidence on a slow boat to China to be 'recycled'.....each piece of metal should've been tagged, it's location graphed and the scene reassembled in some field in NJ to be worked on by fire and forensic investigators to find out what really happened. Building # 7 did not commit suicide and was not hit by anything. He also remains responsible for the poisoning and deaths of each First Responder and the many children, elders and NYC residents who have had their lungs compromised by him not telling the people of NYC to stay indoors during the first weeks after the disaster. There was no rush that merited harming humans and sowing the seeds of cancer. Guiliani KNEW the EPA said the air was toxic and the Towers filled with asbestos. He should be prosecuted for war crimes...... not working in our government. Not to mention his feathers fluffed out as if he was 'the hero' of that dreaded day. SEE THE FIREMEN THEMSELVES SPEAK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I
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Giuliani's best qualification for the job, in his opinion, is that he has "friends all over the world."
What a clown!
What a clown!
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THANK YOU NY Times. However I fear now that that this editorial just guaranteed his appointment. We're talking about a vengeful team with players who roll opposite to their advice and counsel.
They will now appoint him for spite and let the dust settle wherever.
so sad. what a total disgrace this is, not ONLY for the United States, but also the world, and the Earth.
They will now appoint him for spite and let the dust settle wherever.
so sad. what a total disgrace this is, not ONLY for the United States, but also the world, and the Earth.
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Of course if the Times (one of Mr. Trump's favorite targets among what he considers the crooked, liberal media) recommends that Giuliani not be appointed as Secretary of State, it is much more likely that Giuliani will become the Secretary of State. Trump will show you, NYT!
The NYT says that Giuliani is unqualified? Hmmmm. Wait a minute! Lets say he was married to Bill Clinton! I bet in that case he would not only be qualified for SoS, but the President as well!
On the bare facts, Rudy does have a political track record. Be fair NYT! You promised to be fair a few days ago when you admitted you blew the election coverage! But loved that daily barometer thingy!
On the bare facts, Rudy does have a political track record. Be fair NYT! You promised to be fair a few days ago when you admitted you blew the election coverage! But loved that daily barometer thingy!
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What a DISASTER! Let's hope this man NEVER becomes Sectary of State. Just an outrageous thought. He is not qualified to represent our country. I n addition, he's a pathological liar.
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He will fit right in with the staff of wackos running the country!
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Confusion is his strategy. Just for the shock value he will name Guiliani as Secretary because the Times listed all the reasons he shouldn't be in that position.
The Times should have endorsed Guiliani instead.
The Times should have endorsed Guiliani instead.
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No surprise here....
Listing critical observations about Pres. Obama makes Giuiliani a poor choice for choice for Secretary of State according to the rocket scientists at the NYT Editorial Board. Maybe Obama should have listened and he would not have lost both houses of Congress and the Presidency for Hillary. I think we can agree Kerry was a disaster with Iraq. "If they surrendered their chemical weapons, well they would never do that right" Ooopsy. And Hillary with Libya and Yemen while committing US troops while taking Saudi millions? She was as dishonest and Kerry was incompetent. Giuliani is honest and hard working. NYC put him in touch with many world leaders at the UN and their embassy parties. I think he will be great and excited to see him replacing the Obama team.
Listing critical observations about Pres. Obama makes Giuiliani a poor choice for choice for Secretary of State according to the rocket scientists at the NYT Editorial Board. Maybe Obama should have listened and he would not have lost both houses of Congress and the Presidency for Hillary. I think we can agree Kerry was a disaster with Iraq. "If they surrendered their chemical weapons, well they would never do that right" Ooopsy. And Hillary with Libya and Yemen while committing US troops while taking Saudi millions? She was as dishonest and Kerry was incompetent. Giuliani is honest and hard working. NYC put him in touch with many world leaders at the UN and their embassy parties. I think he will be great and excited to see him replacing the Obama team.
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Here is one of the rare instances where I agree with the EB of the NYTs.
Giuliani should be nowhere near SofS. Make him head of DHS or the CIA. And I don't want him to be AG either.
Sessions should be AG. Bolton for SofS. Flynn should be NSA.
Giuliani should be nowhere near SofS. Make him head of DHS or the CIA. And I don't want him to be AG either.
Sessions should be AG. Bolton for SofS. Flynn should be NSA.
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Let's see: unhinged, bombastic, unqualified, a potential disaster. Yep. He meets all the major criteria to be a major player in the Trump Administration. You're hired!
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“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.” - Barack "MmmMmmMmm" Obama (2009) Congratulations Secretary Giuliani!!
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On Twitter, that repository of all human knowledge, in a reply to Ross Douthat, Jonathan Chait said, "I want regular Republicans handling security and Trumpy Republicans doing economics. But the opposite seems more likely." This, besides being at once funny and frightening, is rather true (though I'm no great fan of populist economics).
On the subject of Rudy for SoS, it's absurd, of course, but let's be clear about what the alternative could be: From what I'm seeing, Rohrabacher is being vetted in case this Rudy thing doesn't work out. And what are his views?
Dana Rohrabacher is an apologist for not only Putin but dictators like the late Islam Karimov, the torturing tyrant of Tashkent, the annihilator of Andijan, the ex-Communist Party boss whose security forces engaged in mass torture (and extravagant methods thereof -- e.g., BOILING PEOPLE ALIVE). He advocates, when it's totally unnecessary, a superannuated quasi-Kirkpatrick Doctrine. Rohrabacher wants to treat the Uzbeks like the Saudis. Uzbekistan isn't Saudi Arabia; the Saudis are reforming and will continue to do so ... and they do not boil people alive. I'm not for Rudy. But if Rohrabacher is next, I'm for Rudy.
On the subject of Rudy for SoS, it's absurd, of course, but let's be clear about what the alternative could be: From what I'm seeing, Rohrabacher is being vetted in case this Rudy thing doesn't work out. And what are his views?
Dana Rohrabacher is an apologist for not only Putin but dictators like the late Islam Karimov, the torturing tyrant of Tashkent, the annihilator of Andijan, the ex-Communist Party boss whose security forces engaged in mass torture (and extravagant methods thereof -- e.g., BOILING PEOPLE ALIVE). He advocates, when it's totally unnecessary, a superannuated quasi-Kirkpatrick Doctrine. Rohrabacher wants to treat the Uzbeks like the Saudis. Uzbekistan isn't Saudi Arabia; the Saudis are reforming and will continue to do so ... and they do not boil people alive. I'm not for Rudy. But if Rohrabacher is next, I'm for Rudy.
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the MEK was taken off the terror list, and it being on there was controversial. Plus, they opposed an evil regime. Also, Duvalier was anti-communist during the Cold War, so yes, him being with him was OK. And Arafat was a terrorist who is personally responsible for the death of a US diplomat as well as innocent Israeli lives.
How out of touch can the NY Times be?
How out of touch can the NY Times be?
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Paid speeches? Seriously? Two words: Hillary Clinton.
The New York Times totally missed the biggest story of the 21st century thus far. This editorial is just part of today's stack of evidence that the Times still doesn't "get it." It's sad, really. But telling.
The New York Times totally missed the biggest story of the 21st century thus far. This editorial is just part of today's stack of evidence that the Times still doesn't "get it." It's sad, really. But telling.
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And this is an excellent example of selective reading.....So, what part of Rudy cashing in on his "Consulting Firm" business and HIS paid speeches did you miss??
New York is an expensive town, and he hasn't exactly been living on an ex-Mayor's pension since being ousted years ago.
Get real.
New York is an expensive town, and he hasn't exactly been living on an ex-Mayor's pension since being ousted years ago.
Get real.
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I see that you're already doing your best on behalf of the Trump reelection campaign. You apparently learned nothing from the election.
The NYT is the Democratic mirror image of the crazy Republican reflex Clinton/Obama haters.
The NYT is the Democratic mirror image of the crazy Republican reflex Clinton/Obama haters.
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Rudy Giuliani who's basically a racist human being like his boss, Donald Trump should not be allowed to become a member of a city council, let alone be the Secretary of State of our country.
Yes, Giuliani is a man of poor taste and poor judgement when he opened the juvenile arrest record of a slain man Mr. Patrick Dorismond, an innocent and unarmed Black man saying "He's no alter boy", as pointed out by you in this article.
Giuliani's argument that time was if a Black man has a juvenile record,we should not cry for his shooting death in the hands of a White police officer, even if he posed no threat with any weapon.
His worldview is also as shallow and narrow minded as his domestic city management as a New York city mayor when he refused to buy 2-way radios for New York City firefighters, the result of which ended with hundreds of First Responders were trapped and died and got entombed for not getting the messages from their colleagues outside that the twin towers were about to collapse on 9/11.
Yes, Giuliani is totally responsible for their deaths by just not being a visionary.
And his remarks at Mr. Obama was so racist and nationalistic saying "Obama was not brought up the way you were brought Up", meaning he was not American and not brought up in America just like current boss Trump believed those days with his birther theory.
And his association with these shadowy Iranian exile groups who were under State Dept.'s terror watch list, shows he always had a poor judgement.
Yes, Giuliani is a man of poor taste and poor judgement when he opened the juvenile arrest record of a slain man Mr. Patrick Dorismond, an innocent and unarmed Black man saying "He's no alter boy", as pointed out by you in this article.
Giuliani's argument that time was if a Black man has a juvenile record,we should not cry for his shooting death in the hands of a White police officer, even if he posed no threat with any weapon.
His worldview is also as shallow and narrow minded as his domestic city management as a New York city mayor when he refused to buy 2-way radios for New York City firefighters, the result of which ended with hundreds of First Responders were trapped and died and got entombed for not getting the messages from their colleagues outside that the twin towers were about to collapse on 9/11.
Yes, Giuliani is totally responsible for their deaths by just not being a visionary.
And his remarks at Mr. Obama was so racist and nationalistic saying "Obama was not brought up the way you were brought Up", meaning he was not American and not brought up in America just like current boss Trump believed those days with his birther theory.
And his association with these shadowy Iranian exile groups who were under State Dept.'s terror watch list, shows he always had a poor judgement.
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Madeline Albright! No more need be said.
This is shaping up to be the Howard Hughes administration.
Crony buddy Rudy G is grinning hysterically in every interview on TV like he is on something and gazillionaire Bannon hates all people and has no razor. The whole bunch is like some cautionary tale out of Faulkner.
Bad Sign.
Crony buddy Rudy G is grinning hysterically in every interview on TV like he is on something and gazillionaire Bannon hates all people and has no razor. The whole bunch is like some cautionary tale out of Faulkner.
Bad Sign.
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The Editorial Board of the New York Times urging Donald Trump to not appoint Rudy Giuliani as Secretary of State is literally all Donald Trump needs to hear to solidify his decision to appoint Rudy Giuliani as Secretary of State.
Perhaps the New York Times should start supporting every insane idea Donald Trump can think up. Try a little reverse psychology.
How can Donald defend his nominees if the evil New York Times supports them?
It's a risky maneuver, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
Perhaps the New York Times should start supporting every insane idea Donald Trump can think up. Try a little reverse psychology.
How can Donald defend his nominees if the evil New York Times supports them?
It's a risky maneuver, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
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I think Mr. Guiliani would be a good candidate for Director of Homeland Security.
Is it possible to impeach a president-elect?
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Hard to believe that I am now praying for John Bolton. Or the entire W. Bush administration, for that matter....
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And Trump shouldn't be president. Do you think this editorial will matter to Trump? We are in literally in a world of trouble.
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Revenge of the Nerds, Part II
Mr. Guiliani should not be Secretary of State.....or anything else....because he is a doddering old fool. There are plenty of qualified individuals to fill these positions. If he is appointed, I predict he will be rejected and never serve.
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Every other word for his policy will be 9/11...the man does not know what finesse is...all he knows is the blunt instrument....be afraid be very very afraid.
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Given Trump's other picks - Palin, Bannon, Carson, Gingrich, Ailes - Giuliani is perfect for Secretary of State. Democracy to Oligarch Police State just.like.that. SNAP!
It's a horror film come to life.
It's a horror film come to life.
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Draining The Swamp?
“Put not your trust in princes,
Nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.” -Psalms 146:3
As the joke goes, how do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
Is President-Elect Trump now saying, “Read my lips, Candidate Trump was lying.”?
Priebus? Ryan? Are these men and their ilk, denizens of the swamp, those who will drain it?
Is President-Elect Trump devolving into just another deceitful, mealy-mouthed, lying politician? “Crooked Hillary” with a comb-over?
Giuliani and Bannon notwithstanding, President-Elect Trump claims that he needs to appoint “insiders” who know “the system” — the system characterized by him as “stupid” and “corrupt” — the system that he pledged to abolish. In this vast nation, are there no reliable “outsiders” more likely to do fulfill the task?
Wait! Perhaps once in the Oval Office, President Trump will remember Candidate Trump’s now-seemingly forgotten promises and remember those supporters who voted for him in response to his making those promises. Then again, perhaps not.
See “Promises — Empty Promises” under ...
http://nationonfire.com/category/government/politicians/ .
“Put not your trust in princes,
Nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.” -Psalms 146:3
As the joke goes, how do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
Is President-Elect Trump now saying, “Read my lips, Candidate Trump was lying.”?
Priebus? Ryan? Are these men and their ilk, denizens of the swamp, those who will drain it?
Is President-Elect Trump devolving into just another deceitful, mealy-mouthed, lying politician? “Crooked Hillary” with a comb-over?
Giuliani and Bannon notwithstanding, President-Elect Trump claims that he needs to appoint “insiders” who know “the system” — the system characterized by him as “stupid” and “corrupt” — the system that he pledged to abolish. In this vast nation, are there no reliable “outsiders” more likely to do fulfill the task?
Wait! Perhaps once in the Oval Office, President Trump will remember Candidate Trump’s now-seemingly forgotten promises and remember those supporters who voted for him in response to his making those promises. Then again, perhaps not.
See “Promises — Empty Promises” under ...
http://nationonfire.com/category/government/politicians/ .
All one has to do to win over the idiot Trump is tell him he is wonderful or
a genius 'That is what Putin did. GOD HELP US ALL.
I still stick by my comment made early on in the primaries, I think he
will be IMPEACHED in his first 6 months. Only problem is the VP
is not any better, he is dumb and dangerous!
a genius 'That is what Putin did. GOD HELP US ALL.
I still stick by my comment made early on in the primaries, I think he
will be IMPEACHED in his first 6 months. Only problem is the VP
is not any better, he is dumb and dangerous!
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Again, the NYT and its bobble-headed commenters here rave with delusional glee. You idiots fail to see the obvious. Trump ran and won with one tenth the money and one tenth the staff as Hillary, against the MSM and a cabal of every power center in America...And he won. His out of the box, lean, deft campaign using new media and free 'advertising' obliterated his lead-footed opposition, just like he took over the skating rink project and completed it on time, under budget after corrupt, bumbling 'politicians' had flailed for years in a swamp of corruption and incompetence.
So now the same Trump-hating, PC-infected crowd that denigrated and attacked his candidacy think he, his nascent presidency, and the American people should pay attention to and comply with the demands of the NYT and its like? He won. You lost.
So now the same Trump-hating, PC-infected crowd that denigrated and attacked his candidacy think he, his nascent presidency, and the American people should pay attention to and comply with the demands of the NYT and its like? He won. You lost.
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You see glee? No, it's despair and worry.
The future of humanity and our once great country is at stake, and we have a conscienceless billionaire and his loser choices ready to rip it apart. That is not material for joy.
Even setting aside climate change (which is impossible, as the earth doesn't vote, it acts), the geopolitics of this bunch are dangerous to children and other living things.
The future of humanity and our once great country is at stake, and we have a conscienceless billionaire and his loser choices ready to rip it apart. That is not material for joy.
Even setting aside climate change (which is impossible, as the earth doesn't vote, it acts), the geopolitics of this bunch are dangerous to children and other living things.
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It's not very often I agree with the Times, but they got this one right. While I don't think Giuliani is the worst Mayor the city has had or that he didn't do a bad job of it, quite the contrary. He is not fit for the job as SOS, not by a longshot.
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Is this 1859 or 1936? History repeats itself like nausea.
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The insane asylum has been unlocked and now the inmates are running the country. Sit back and watch the conflagration -- and hope you can find a bomb shelter for your family.
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The NYTimes continues strong with its biased reporting. He was one of NYC's best mayors, yet you claim he did a bad job. You say he has a conflict of interest as Secretary of State because of having taken speaking fees over the past few years. Where were you, please, in raising this issue about the Clintons?
I believe Giuliani is a good candidate for State.
The continued bias in the NYTimes' reporting is a disgrace. How far you have fallen from your historical standards.
I believe Giuliani is a good candidate for State.
The continued bias in the NYTimes' reporting is a disgrace. How far you have fallen from your historical standards.
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Gary Busey must be devastated by this news.
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diplomacy-- skill in handling affairs without arousing hostility-- Webster's Dictionary.
Mr. Giuliani should be allowed to handle affairs only with a nation that we are TRYING to have a war with.
Mr. Giuliani should be allowed to handle affairs only with a nation that we are TRYING to have a war with.
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I don't know who coined him America's Mayor but, please, come out of the shadows and recant. We won't prosecute you.
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Henry the K. Let's do this train wreck right!
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The challenges for Trump including Syrian policy,North Korea, Russia,Israel, China,Afghanistan,and Iraq to name a few, demonstrate the ineffectiveness of the Obama/Clinton/Kerry foreign policy.
Citing a Giuliani "misadventure" from 1982, 34 years ago, is lame act of desperation to discredit Giuliani.
Citing a Giuliani "misadventure" from 1982, 34 years ago, is lame act of desperation to discredit Giuliani.
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But he is "America's Mayor"! How can he not be perfect for the job? He took this nation's greatest tragedy and made a fortune off of it for the past 15 years. He is a perfect fit for Trump.
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Whenever I see Giuliani on TV I cannot help but seeing Jack Nicholson in The Shining saying, "Here's Johnny!" Giuliani, Gingrich, Bannon and Christie are the Mount Rushmore of Despicable Individuals and this is who the President-Elect is giving us.
The Times Editorial Board is telling us if Giuliani were appointed, it would be disastrous. Where were the Editorial Board and the paper's Ombudsman when the paper and columnists, like Maureen Dowd, did all they could to give us all the slanted news that was not fit to print?
The Times Editorial Board is telling us if Giuliani were appointed, it would be disastrous. Where were the Editorial Board and the paper's Ombudsman when the paper and columnists, like Maureen Dowd, did all they could to give us all the slanted news that was not fit to print?
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I do not remember the Times railing against President Obama's poor choices - like Ben Rhodes, the MFA in creative writing, who thinks he knows something about the Middle East, and Valerie Jarrett, the power behind the throne.
Just after the Times apologized for such poor coverage during the campaign, it now seems to want to focus on bashing everything Mr Trump does.
You allowed Mr. Obama his choices;you ought to allow Mr Trump his choices too.
Perhaps the Times does not always know best.
Just after the Times apologized for such poor coverage during the campaign, it now seems to want to focus on bashing everything Mr Trump does.
You allowed Mr. Obama his choices;you ought to allow Mr Trump his choices too.
Perhaps the Times does not always know best.
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The alternative is John Bolton. Giuliani is merely stupid and corrupt while Bolton os bat s---- crazy and trigger happy. My god Trump wll be "president'' what do you expect a diplomat for Secretary of State. Who would you want as 3rd in lin1 to the presidency?
There are 4 kinds of Trump appointments: 1) know nothings know too little, 2) corrupt stupid know nothings 3) corrupt, reckless, dangerous and shocking know nothings .with crazy ideas and 4) John Bolton who can be avoided by a political reward for services rendered.
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There are 4 kinds of Trump appointments: 1) know nothings know too little, 2) corrupt stupid know nothings 3) corrupt, reckless, dangerous and shocking know nothings .with crazy ideas and 4) John Bolton who can be avoided by a political reward for services rendered.
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He's a loose cannon; but I doubt he'll be any worse than Ms. Clinton was during her tenure as Secretary of State......at least he'll keep track of his emails.
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"Mr. Giuliani was embraced as “America’s mayor” after 9/11, a label, which he promoted for years..."
You all may have embraced him, but down here, he's all yours.
You all may have embraced him, but down here, he's all yours.
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This embarrassing editorial is an effectual endorsement of Mr. Giuliani for the anti-Times' voters.
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"Why Rudy Giuliani Shouldn’t Be Secretary of State"....?
Because he acts like Rudy Giuliani? We liberals expect that crazy right-wing people get elected here in Oklahoma, even tho we opted for Bernie over Hillary in the primaries, but we still can't understand, no matter how much we love NY, how and why you elected him mayor. But then the rest of the world is asking the U.S. the same question about electing Trump.
Because he acts like Rudy Giuliani? We liberals expect that crazy right-wing people get elected here in Oklahoma, even tho we opted for Bernie over Hillary in the primaries, but we still can't understand, no matter how much we love NY, how and why you elected him mayor. But then the rest of the world is asking the U.S. the same question about electing Trump.
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Whatever happened to 'drain the swamp'? Allowing cronies who helped to elect him to PICK their own posts?
Of course, this is how it always unfolds for top cabinet positions: loyalty and proximity to the President matter. But if Giuliani has the credentials to be Attorney General or a Czar on Immigration, he would no doubt be a 'disastrous' choice (one of Trump's favorite words) for Secretary of State.
Come on, President-elect Trump! SOS is America's calling card to the world. Pick a true diplomat for this job.
You can and should appoint a qualified Secretary of State. And forget about war hawk John Bolton. He's even worse!
If it HAS to be a crony, at least Newt Gingrinch is a good communicator and knows his history. But why not look among the best and brightest who have a career of public service in the diplomatic corps?
Of course, this is how it always unfolds for top cabinet positions: loyalty and proximity to the President matter. But if Giuliani has the credentials to be Attorney General or a Czar on Immigration, he would no doubt be a 'disastrous' choice (one of Trump's favorite words) for Secretary of State.
Come on, President-elect Trump! SOS is America's calling card to the world. Pick a true diplomat for this job.
You can and should appoint a qualified Secretary of State. And forget about war hawk John Bolton. He's even worse!
If it HAS to be a crony, at least Newt Gingrinch is a good communicator and knows his history. But why not look among the best and brightest who have a career of public service in the diplomatic corps?
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Giuliani as Secretary of State???
There are many who feel that he is not aging gracefully and is beginning to lose his marbles.
There are many who feel that he is not aging gracefully and is beginning to lose his marbles.
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Approx 70% of Americans have lost faith in the NYT, MSNBC, CNN, etc, etc. Your post-election commitment to suddenly become fair and non-biased, so far, are just words.
So why should anyone consider the opinions (or reporting, for that matter) of the NYT?
So why should anyone consider the opinions (or reporting, for that matter) of the NYT?
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Giuliani cleaned up New York and made it livable again after years of failed Democrats. The NYT hates him because he supported Trump and doesn't share their far left world view. Go away NYT, you have no credibility and your bias was decisively rejected last week.
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Unfortunately, when the NYT denounces something, it causes DJT to want it even more.
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No need to read the Editorial to know the NYT's Opinion, just look at the picture that they choose to lead.
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Good job, New York Times! Keep the pressure on--just like the Republicans fully intended to do with Hillary as president.
Instead of acting like People magazine--as it did with its coverage of the Trump campaign--hopefully the NYT will get back to playing a leading role as member of the Fourth Estate by picking up the rocks and disclosing what is under them during this Trumparian Reign of Ineptitude and Horror.
Having defended an Iranian terrorist group alone should put Giuliani out of the running for Secretary of State, or any other cabinet or high position in the Trump Administration.
Can you imagine what Fox News, Rush, and the GOP would say if Hillary Clinton had any of the business dealings Giuliani did?
Instead of acting like People magazine--as it did with its coverage of the Trump campaign--hopefully the NYT will get back to playing a leading role as member of the Fourth Estate by picking up the rocks and disclosing what is under them during this Trumparian Reign of Ineptitude and Horror.
Having defended an Iranian terrorist group alone should put Giuliani out of the running for Secretary of State, or any other cabinet or high position in the Trump Administration.
Can you imagine what Fox News, Rush, and the GOP would say if Hillary Clinton had any of the business dealings Giuliani did?
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Wow. An article about a Secretary of State with conflicts. Didn't see anything like that from NYT while Bill Clinton was running around the planet taking "speaking fees". Amazing how quickly this comes out from NYT for a Republican.
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Standing next to the rubble of the World Trade Center in a hard hat wasn't leadership. 'America's Mayor' give me a break. How about 'New York's crazy uncle'? Leave him in the attic so he can't hurt anyone.
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Did you actually need to write anything other than the headline?
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It takes some chutzpah for the NYT to oppose Giuliani as possible Secretary of State while having given full support to Hillary's tenure at the State Department. After all, HRC stayed and applauded when Arafat's wife wildly accused of imaginary crimes. After all, HRC made the State Department a fundraiser for the Clinton Foundation so that it could pay for Chelsea's wedding.
Giuliani has no more imperfections than Hillary and he has great recognition in the world as New York's Mayor at 9/11. Both Rudy and John Bolton would re-establish our status in the world forum.
Giuliani has no more imperfections than Hillary and he has great recognition in the world as New York's Mayor at 9/11. Both Rudy and John Bolton would re-establish our status in the world forum.
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except Hillary is smart and rational and RG is unhinged and an jerk
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Shame!
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Well NYT, you know how much DT hates you! Now that you are against RG for the job, DT will sure appoint him. Next time please use reverse psychology!
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Eichenwald of Newsweek has some pungent things to say. He's good at facts; he wrote this as well: "A People’s History of Donald Trump's Business Busts and Countless Victims." I am more sympathetic than he to complaints from the left, but those who think they can further splinter the Democratic/liberal/progressive efforts and do anything but further enable the conscienceless .
"The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election"
http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
"I dug in, working full-time from July up to election eve, without weekends off, missing family events. In exchange, my family and I received multiple death threats and endured many online attacks. Yet we stayed committed to my work so that the public could have as much information as possible before they cast their ballot on who should the leader of the free world.
"That was the only job for everyone else: vote. ... All they had to do was recognize that governance is not a game, and that their choices matter. Again, if they supported Trump or truly didn’t care who won after acquiring a real understanding of both candidates’ positions—rather than spouting some self-indulgent, bumper-sticker logic—I have no complaints. If they opposed Trump while refusing to do what they could to keep him out of office—that is, vote for the only other candidate who could win—then they need to go perform sex with themselves. And I mean that in much cruder terms."
"The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election"
http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
"I dug in, working full-time from July up to election eve, without weekends off, missing family events. In exchange, my family and I received multiple death threats and endured many online attacks. Yet we stayed committed to my work so that the public could have as much information as possible before they cast their ballot on who should the leader of the free world.
"That was the only job for everyone else: vote. ... All they had to do was recognize that governance is not a game, and that their choices matter. Again, if they supported Trump or truly didn’t care who won after acquiring a real understanding of both candidates’ positions—rather than spouting some self-indulgent, bumper-sticker logic—I have no complaints. If they opposed Trump while refusing to do what they could to keep him out of office—that is, vote for the only other candidate who could win—then they need to go perform sex with themselves. And I mean that in much cruder terms."
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Lots of good comments here. Too bad President-elect Trump is not a reader.
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Good point......should we start to Tweet them????
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Opening paragraph: "World leaders watching America make a shift under Donald Trump fall into two broad camps: those who hope that the United States will muddle through the next four years, an inexperienced president notwithstanding, and those who are eager to see Washington’s international standing and influence unravel."
That's as far as I got. Nothing to see here.
That's as far as I got. Nothing to see here.
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He comes to the table as a bullying partisan. Who wants to deal with that right out of the gate? Oh wait - maybe Russia will find that comforting and familiar?
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OK, Rudy Giuliani is not remotely qualified to be Secretary of State. What's next? Maybe now that Sheriff Joe Arpaio is unemployed he could head up the Department of Homeland Security.
I'm of the opinion that the most certain way to ultimately end this lunacy is to tell the Donald, "Be my guest man, Go for it !". The illness that has taken hold of our country will need to run its course and complaining about the symptoms isn't going to make it go away. The 47% of voters in our recent election who voted for this apocalypse will only accept reality when it slaps them up side the head despite Faux News, Facebook, and Twitter feeds. After the Trump team gets rich, ignites the Middle East, bankrupts the Treasury, ends Social Security and Medicare, and locks up everyone who stands in their way, we might be able to get things back on track. Until then, drink plenty of fluids, stay warm, and try an aspirin from time to time. The fever will eventually break and then you'll know we're getting better.
I'm of the opinion that the most certain way to ultimately end this lunacy is to tell the Donald, "Be my guest man, Go for it !". The illness that has taken hold of our country will need to run its course and complaining about the symptoms isn't going to make it go away. The 47% of voters in our recent election who voted for this apocalypse will only accept reality when it slaps them up side the head despite Faux News, Facebook, and Twitter feeds. After the Trump team gets rich, ignites the Middle East, bankrupts the Treasury, ends Social Security and Medicare, and locks up everyone who stands in their way, we might be able to get things back on track. Until then, drink plenty of fluids, stay warm, and try an aspirin from time to time. The fever will eventually break and then you'll know we're getting better.
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I worked in gerontology for years. People with erratic, raging, out-of-control and/or disgusting behaviors got a mental status check with a psychiatric gerontologist. I would love to see both Trump and Guiliani undergo such an assessment. People in early dementia, for example, can do enormous harm to their families or the businesses they lead. Be aware of the possibility that thinking is impaired, behavior erratic, and the person's judgment is not to be trusted.
Both Clinton and Trump were too old to run. Bernie Sanders is saying he might consider running in 2020. I'm 72 and I know I wouldn't want to see either of the three top candidates in office because I see that my mind is slower and I don't have the stamina I had before. The job is extremely taxing, which is one reason we need a rising generation of new leaders to come to the fore before 2020, as Obama did.
The Congress is likewise full of older leaders than in earlier times. But what if they new generation is locked into something like the Tea Party and its ideology? Somehow, sanity and depth of knowledge, insight, maturity, and dare I say, wisdom, has to emerge here or we are lost.
Both Clinton and Trump were too old to run. Bernie Sanders is saying he might consider running in 2020. I'm 72 and I know I wouldn't want to see either of the three top candidates in office because I see that my mind is slower and I don't have the stamina I had before. The job is extremely taxing, which is one reason we need a rising generation of new leaders to come to the fore before 2020, as Obama did.
The Congress is likewise full of older leaders than in earlier times. But what if they new generation is locked into something like the Tea Party and its ideology? Somehow, sanity and depth of knowledge, insight, maturity, and dare I say, wisdom, has to emerge here or we are lost.
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I remember being at BookExpo the year Rudy was on stage to promote his leadership book. A friend who'd written a piece about Giuliani Partners was there with her dad. When the dad came up to get his book signed, Rudy took one look at my friend and petulantly refused to sign. It was laughable at the time but also emblematic. What bothers me most about Team Trump is its members' vindictive mob-like instincts to demand loyalty -- or else. I want a chief diplomat who believes in shared wins and compromises and mutual respect. A Secretary of State who views foreign affairs as a zero sum game is one who could lead us into war, dubious alliances, and chaos. No thanks.
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As someone who worked in the Giuliani Administration, I would say you missed the most important reasons Giuliani shouldn't hold any cabinet position.
Giuliani combined disrespect for legal rules with disrespect for differing opinions. Giuliani did not tolerate discussion of differing points of view among those of us who worked in his administration. His management style was strictly "my way or the highway." For eight years he managed consistently to convey complete contempt for and even animosity toward the bureaucracy he had been elected to lead. Our years of experience meant nothing to him - Giuliani knew everything he thought was worth knowing, and anyone who tried to tell him anything different was branded as disloyal, and at risk of dismissal.
Even more regrettably, Giuliani did not care about legal constraints. His disregard of First Amendment constraints was notorious among those of us who worked as lawyers in his administration - recall, for instance, the time he forced the MTA to remove advertisements from buses because the ads reflected badly on him. Giuliani's concept of due process was equally crabbed.
Running the State Department, or any other federal agency, requires an ability to recognize that no one knows everything worth knowing - it requires an ability to hear and consider differing points of view, to respect experience. Even more importantly, running a federal agency requires respect for constitutional constraints.
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Giuliani combined disrespect for legal rules with disrespect for differing opinions. Giuliani did not tolerate discussion of differing points of view among those of us who worked in his administration. His management style was strictly "my way or the highway." For eight years he managed consistently to convey complete contempt for and even animosity toward the bureaucracy he had been elected to lead. Our years of experience meant nothing to him - Giuliani knew everything he thought was worth knowing, and anyone who tried to tell him anything different was branded as disloyal, and at risk of dismissal.
Even more regrettably, Giuliani did not care about legal constraints. His disregard of First Amendment constraints was notorious among those of us who worked as lawyers in his administration - recall, for instance, the time he forced the MTA to remove advertisements from buses because the ads reflected badly on him. Giuliani's concept of due process was equally crabbed.
Running the State Department, or any other federal agency, requires an ability to recognize that no one knows everything worth knowing - it requires an ability to hear and consider differing points of view, to respect experience. Even more importantly, running a federal agency requires respect for constitutional constraints.
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Good Lord. The prospect of having Rudy Giuliani (God Help Us) being appointed as Secretary of State almost has me pulling for John Bolton (perish the thought). The insanity has only begun to begin.
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"Unhinged" doesn't begin to describe this fruitcake.......
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Not a problem...as long as he gets the exact same vetting that Hillary did!
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Interesting...
A man who stared down international terrorists, domestic criminals, and bureaucratic ne'er -do-wells to make NYC a livable city again (a sanctuary city for the rest of us?), over a period of two terms, shouldn't be SoS....
Said another way...Hey, all of you NewYawkaCommentista - HEY - I'M TALKIN' TO YOU!!!!
Which eight years made your life more better...Barack's - or Rudy's ...
BTW - There's another former NYC mayor who might be as good - but he took himself out of consideration, a while back...
Perhaps Rudy could clean things up, in a first term - whereupon Mike would find the opportunity completely irresistible...
Of course, the NYC stage is not the world stage...
It may be even more challenging...
To quote Rick, when talking to a "real" agent of the "real" Hitler:
"...Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade...
A man who stared down international terrorists, domestic criminals, and bureaucratic ne'er -do-wells to make NYC a livable city again (a sanctuary city for the rest of us?), over a period of two terms, shouldn't be SoS....
Said another way...Hey, all of you NewYawkaCommentista - HEY - I'M TALKIN' TO YOU!!!!
Which eight years made your life more better...Barack's - or Rudy's ...
BTW - There's another former NYC mayor who might be as good - but he took himself out of consideration, a while back...
Perhaps Rudy could clean things up, in a first term - whereupon Mike would find the opportunity completely irresistible...
Of course, the NYC stage is not the world stage...
It may be even more challenging...
To quote Rick, when talking to a "real" agent of the "real" Hitler:
"...Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade...
The hysteria in the NY Times and in the comment section of this ridiculous
Editorial is disturbing.... Get over it you lost...
Editorial is disturbing.... Get over it you lost...
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Sorry. But if "you lost" is all you have to say, then you are obviously missing one of the points writ in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution ... which isn't surprising, because Trump doesn't know about it either.
P.S.
It's called 'Freedom of Speech'.
P.S.
It's called 'Freedom of Speech'.
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Kudos to the Editorial Board for realizing that Ghouliani lacks....lacks....lacks....
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Joy in Russia.
I'm no Sarah Palin but i can hear Putin et al celebrating from here.
I'm no Sarah Palin but i can hear Putin et al celebrating from here.
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Google Patrick Dorismond and Guiliani. Go on, I'll wait.
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And I thought one of the reasons he would not be qualified was because he lacks the STAMN-MEN-NAH to do the job.
We live in a technological age where certainly individuals over 55 yrs-old, being considered for cabinet post or wishing to run for president can and should be tested for Alzheimer's disease and other symptoms of dementia.
The need in this case can clearly be seen in the speeches/comments this man made during the presidential campaign.
Giuliani as Secretary of State?
As if the president-elect isn't enough of an international embarrassment already.
We live in a technological age where certainly individuals over 55 yrs-old, being considered for cabinet post or wishing to run for president can and should be tested for Alzheimer's disease and other symptoms of dementia.
The need in this case can clearly be seen in the speeches/comments this man made during the presidential campaign.
Giuliani as Secretary of State?
As if the president-elect isn't enough of an international embarrassment already.
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Let's face it. Giuliani had one good day. And he's been riding on that ever since. Yes, he kept a cool head and was a very goog manager during the initial crisis of 9/11, but that's it. This one good day does not qualify him to be Secretary of State as you so aptly point out. And resurrecting John Bolton for the job? Please. The embarrassment just continues.
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You're mistaken. Giuliani didn't outrage black New Yorkers. He outraged all thinking people when he illegally unsealed Dorismond's juvenile criminal record and released it to the press.
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But you also thought, and still do, that Trump should not be president. So why should he take your advice?
I came to understand something about my own attitude. You NYT liberals (and perhaps liberals in general) are a part of America and even a GOOD part. Obama is a good man and Michelle is charming.
But you want to be the WHOLE of America, indeed the whole of the world. As if no one else has anything to say. The world to you consists of good liberals on the one side and evil nationalists motivated by bigotry, xenophobia, whatever on the other.
I remember when Joan Baez sang of love. Norah Jones still does. When does feminism sing about love? They sing about women as victims and they sing about female power.
But not one word about love.
Is Trump the right man to think about love? Hardly. He thinks of women in terms of sex. Still he was the only antidote to your arrogance that I could see.
And, for you it is fine if a man born in Hawaii and grew up in Indonesia wants to tell Texans how to run their bathrooms. It isn't fine by me.
I came to understand something about my own attitude. You NYT liberals (and perhaps liberals in general) are a part of America and even a GOOD part. Obama is a good man and Michelle is charming.
But you want to be the WHOLE of America, indeed the whole of the world. As if no one else has anything to say. The world to you consists of good liberals on the one side and evil nationalists motivated by bigotry, xenophobia, whatever on the other.
I remember when Joan Baez sang of love. Norah Jones still does. When does feminism sing about love? They sing about women as victims and they sing about female power.
But not one word about love.
Is Trump the right man to think about love? Hardly. He thinks of women in terms of sex. Still he was the only antidote to your arrogance that I could see.
And, for you it is fine if a man born in Hawaii and grew up in Indonesia wants to tell Texans how to run their bathrooms. It isn't fine by me.
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I guess no one is listening to what the owner of the gray lady communicated last week in an open letter of apology..... "Fair and balanced" the level of hysteria in the NYT paper today is really disturbing....
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Rudy Giuliani has proved himself a very hawkish and immature politician, has misused his authority while special prosecutor and mayor of New York. He has no ideology but can jump anywhere to get his bread. He has no experience to work with foreign nations and have zero knowledge of international relation and diplomacy. He is exactly a carbon copy of his Guru Trump, with whom he used to arrange business seminars fooling public providing false promises.
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I agree that "Rudolph Giuliani’s Worldview Still Shaped by 9/11 Attack" - it is what has provided him with a lucrative living.
Unfortunately, Giuliani, like W (Bush), squandered the global goodwill, sympathy and support we had as a result of that attack. We lost it before the year was out with the undiplomatic speeches and actions of the president and Rudy.
The world still remembers 9/11 and how Giuliani and his then president (W) threatened everyone into the coalition of the unwilling or else "you are against us." Every time Giuliani shows up at their border shoving his 9/11 business card in their faces during the next four years - see what happens.
Unfortunately, Giuliani, like W (Bush), squandered the global goodwill, sympathy and support we had as a result of that attack. We lost it before the year was out with the undiplomatic speeches and actions of the president and Rudy.
The world still remembers 9/11 and how Giuliani and his then president (W) threatened everyone into the coalition of the unwilling or else "you are against us." Every time Giuliani shows up at their border shoving his 9/11 business card in their faces during the next four years - see what happens.
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One more maximum-security attested inmate given high-managerial status in running the asylum.
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But how much expertise or diplomatic temperament is even needed in a Trump presidency? Basically his foresight policy boils down to: kick 'em out and keep 'em out.
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And the liberal NYT has decided to fight back, with article after article, and op-ed after op-ed, going after Trump et al, with only a week since the election. Incredible, one-sided, politically driven smear campaign. For heaven's sake, let's give the guy a chance!
The Dems and the left of all stripes are in meltdown mode, ranging from lying in bed sucking their thumbs in disbelief, to violent demonstrations in the streets.....and....the president-elect hasn't taken office and is working to form a government.
The left hasn't learned a thing since the election outcome. Half of this country is tired of the same old nonsense from DC and the media, and their condescending view of plain ordinary citizens. We matter, and we vote. Roll that up in your newsprint.
The Dems and the left of all stripes are in meltdown mode, ranging from lying in bed sucking their thumbs in disbelief, to violent demonstrations in the streets.....and....the president-elect hasn't taken office and is working to form a government.
The left hasn't learned a thing since the election outcome. Half of this country is tired of the same old nonsense from DC and the media, and their condescending view of plain ordinary citizens. We matter, and we vote. Roll that up in your newsprint.
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So do we. And our votes outnumbered yours by about 1 million plus and counting.
dunh. Dunh! Just DUNH!!
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Not likely to read this under the NYT comment section. But, let's be clear: Rudy Giuliani is simply a jerk.
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Why not nominate Sarah Palin? She is from Alaska from which you can see Russia as she said. After you can not see Russia from New York City.
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Rudy - RUDE-Y - is an unhinged egomaniac who has not one bone of diplomacy in his biased, bigoted body. He is already an accident waiting to happen - in an international role, he would be a disgrace, a bad joke, an ugly nightmare doing immeasurable damage to our already severely damaged image - here again comes the "ugly American" with bookends Bannon and Giuliani and crooked Christie in between... might as well appoint David Dukes and be done with it...
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Why do you still fail to report the actual facts! Rudy Giuliani is for sale to the lowest bidder! He will do anything for attention and his gleeful attitude on Fox_if you can bring yourself to call it news two days before Comey sent a November report; you must remember that.
Does anyone read? I mean books! He denied that Hillary was at ground zero. There are photographs, I own all of the reference books there are. By the time he denied this not so trivial fact, I googled it and found 6 web pages of photoshopped images. Why did this happen, well as I keep saying the internet purveyor's know that the public at large does not read and many in power count on that!
I am also a professional Photographer, I have watched this media change from film to its utterly free fall for anyone who want to manipulate.
So now here comes a man with little experience, no diplomacy, and he lies on camera as he grins at people he thinks are stupid.
And as a little reminder, I will never presume to know what Obama regrets. That
simply not decent! We are are still that? Right?
Does anyone read? I mean books! He denied that Hillary was at ground zero. There are photographs, I own all of the reference books there are. By the time he denied this not so trivial fact, I googled it and found 6 web pages of photoshopped images. Why did this happen, well as I keep saying the internet purveyor's know that the public at large does not read and many in power count on that!
I am also a professional Photographer, I have watched this media change from film to its utterly free fall for anyone who want to manipulate.
So now here comes a man with little experience, no diplomacy, and he lies on camera as he grins at people he thinks are stupid.
And as a little reminder, I will never presume to know what Obama regrets. That
simply not decent! We are are still that? Right?
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He is the perfect choice. He has the same temperament as Trump. If only Cheney was willing to become our U.N. ambassador we would have it all.
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Unfortunately the urgent appeals to readers not to elect Trump due to his lack of experience, understanding of nuance and complete lack of qualification to be the Leader of the Free World did not prevent his election. Why do we think this plea (or any plea) not to appoint people who are unqualified for the position will have any impact--insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome!
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We had Madaline Albright in this position. She claimed not to know her own heritage and wanted to start a war with Russia. Give me Rudi any day of the week.
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More 9/11 Rudy stories. We OEM communication first responders actually ran all radio traffic in & out of lower Manhattan from the NJ OEM network under the NJSP for the first 3 days.
Since the NYC EOC was evacuated from 7 WT after the attack, Rudy rented a hotel suite nearby as HQ, but let Police Chief Kerik use the suite instead as a love nest.
Just days after the attack, Rudy & Bush EPA director Meg Whitman were lying & telling everybody the air was okay & they could goo back to work & re-open the Stock Market. Many workers on the pile stopped wearing breathing protection. Now, many are dying or have already died from breathing the toxic gases.
The FDNY code says never leave a brother behind, and, in November, over 200 firefighters were still combing the ruins looking for the remains of over 100 brothers who hadn't been recovered (because their old radios couldn't pick up the evacuation calls 20 minutes before 1 WT collapsed). The Royal Bank of Scotland had billions in gold & silver in underground vaults & asked Rudy to stop the recovery effort so they could bring in steam shovels and dig down through the firefighters' corpses to get their loot. Rudy declared the recovery over & even ringed the site with NYPD to keep the FDNY workers out. The Royal Bank got their riches dug out, & the FDNY workers had to go down to Staten Island where trucks were dumping the waste to sort through the wreckage for remains of their brothers.
Rudy Giuliani - America's Mayor?
Since the NYC EOC was evacuated from 7 WT after the attack, Rudy rented a hotel suite nearby as HQ, but let Police Chief Kerik use the suite instead as a love nest.
Just days after the attack, Rudy & Bush EPA director Meg Whitman were lying & telling everybody the air was okay & they could goo back to work & re-open the Stock Market. Many workers on the pile stopped wearing breathing protection. Now, many are dying or have already died from breathing the toxic gases.
The FDNY code says never leave a brother behind, and, in November, over 200 firefighters were still combing the ruins looking for the remains of over 100 brothers who hadn't been recovered (because their old radios couldn't pick up the evacuation calls 20 minutes before 1 WT collapsed). The Royal Bank of Scotland had billions in gold & silver in underground vaults & asked Rudy to stop the recovery effort so they could bring in steam shovels and dig down through the firefighters' corpses to get their loot. Rudy declared the recovery over & even ringed the site with NYPD to keep the FDNY workers out. The Royal Bank got their riches dug out, & the FDNY workers had to go down to Staten Island where trucks were dumping the waste to sort through the wreckage for remains of their brothers.
Rudy Giuliani - America's Mayor?
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Thank you for telling the rest of America what we New Yorkers already know about Rudy Giuliani.
But most of all, thank you for your service on that dark day.
We will not forget.
But most of all, thank you for your service on that dark day.
We will not forget.
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What a despicable article; and its so petty. That's it? Giuliani saved NYC from the hell Democrat put it in during 70s and 80s and anyone whose lived through those years in NYC knows it.
It's not such a stretch about Obama; Michelle said something about not liking America before they won in 2008. So many people, particularly black Americans, see what's wrong and forget all the USA gives them just for being here that they don't have in Bangladesh, Bolivia, or Malawi.
It's not such a stretch about Obama; Michelle said something about not liking America before they won in 2008. So many people, particularly black Americans, see what's wrong and forget all the USA gives them just for being here that they don't have in Bangladesh, Bolivia, or Malawi.
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Eight days ago, November 8, the country we knew passed on, not with guns or bombs but rather with a surprise flood of red on digital maps that had been determined blue. Living through this historical crossroad, I am unsettled by how swift and silent the change arrived. We are taken by surprise, immobilized as we witness the daily headlines announcing the new order, the new values that will " Make America great again."
We know this cast of characters their false values, their radical agenda. I fear for my country. It has only been eight days, we have sought guidance and reassurance, but the dread of what's ahead has taken root. Do we wake up now or sleepwalk into our future?
We know this cast of characters their false values, their radical agenda. I fear for my country. It has only been eight days, we have sought guidance and reassurance, but the dread of what's ahead has taken root. Do we wake up now or sleepwalk into our future?
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No you actually get to see America "Great Again" with a Secretary of State who doesn't have a private charity scam nor endangering national security with a home brew email server.
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Do we need a Minnie Me of Trump running our State Department? Trump would be better served with someone who would be a counter balance to him. Someone who can smooth the feathers that Trump with ruffle with his style of governing. I doubt if the world is ready for two guys in their seventies playing gang busters with our affairs. This a not a movie called Boss Tweed Goes to Washington!
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I remember my Republican friends vehemently opposing Mr. Obama's candidacy in 2008 because of his lack of experience.
Flash forward eight years and I see that those concerns no longer exist as we prepare to anoint Mr. Trump while also not complaining about his lack of experience and those of his appointees.
Rudy Guiliani is not competent to the task and in the vein of Sarah Palin infamous remark, we can see that all the way from Texas.
Flash forward eight years and I see that those concerns no longer exist as we prepare to anoint Mr. Trump while also not complaining about his lack of experience and those of his appointees.
Rudy Guiliani is not competent to the task and in the vein of Sarah Palin infamous remark, we can see that all the way from Texas.
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Giuliani will be a bad choice and would do more damage
to the soft power of America whatever little bit of it is left.
The other contender, John Bolton, is not good either.
He is too hard liner and would create lot of tension
internationally. Trump should take time to search
for an experienced person. The important positions
should not be considered as a reward for support.
to the soft power of America whatever little bit of it is left.
The other contender, John Bolton, is not good either.
He is too hard liner and would create lot of tension
internationally. Trump should take time to search
for an experienced person. The important positions
should not be considered as a reward for support.
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I still can't understand how this is a headline in the New York Times. That he is actually under consideration. Seriously.
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Giuliani should have no place in any administration. He's not clean, not balanced, and has a history of poor performance in every position he has held. There is absolutely nothing to recommend this man.
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Judging from your adept description of Mr. Giuliani, he is perfectly suited for the Trump administration.
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....we have had Mrs Clinton as Secretary of State...apparently both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton did very well as well paid speech makers...I believe Rudy Giuliani is an honest man....
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This may be the only time I agree with DT on anything. NYT, this is not the time for political correctness. RG is not qualified, he's dangerous in his approach and ignorance, and even though you called that out, be outraged, really outraged. You know him better than those of us in the hinterland.
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Sorry, Rudy, you're only a 2. Our country needs an experienced diplomat not an unhinged has been politician.
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Hasn't The NY Times learned anything? This editorial just raised Giuliani's prospects. I thought that would be obvious to you at this point.
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Giuliani would not be my first choice either. I'm also not a Trump fan and to be honest, am started to become worried about the state of this country given his staff picks so far.
However, the tone of this piece strikes me as biased. As a native New Yorker who lived before, during, and after Giuliani's mayorship, there were salient changes during his administration that I find it hard to believe were simply due to "crime decreasing across the country." (Interestingly, this piece conveniently glosses over his tenure as mayor.) Nor were these changes due to "policies enacted during Dinkins' administration," as one commenter said. His quality of life measures took petty criminals off the streets. His rezoning of Times Square brought businesses and jobs to a decrepit area. Also, despite how much liberals hated him, racial tension in NYC actually went down -- tremendously.
Does that make him qualified to be on a national stage? No. He strikes me as too inexperienced and temperamental for that. But if you'd like to heal some of the division in this country, give credit where credit is due. Otherwise, you're just spurring the Right further.
However, the tone of this piece strikes me as biased. As a native New Yorker who lived before, during, and after Giuliani's mayorship, there were salient changes during his administration that I find it hard to believe were simply due to "crime decreasing across the country." (Interestingly, this piece conveniently glosses over his tenure as mayor.) Nor were these changes due to "policies enacted during Dinkins' administration," as one commenter said. His quality of life measures took petty criminals off the streets. His rezoning of Times Square brought businesses and jobs to a decrepit area. Also, despite how much liberals hated him, racial tension in NYC actually went down -- tremendously.
Does that make him qualified to be on a national stage? No. He strikes me as too inexperienced and temperamental for that. But if you'd like to heal some of the division in this country, give credit where credit is due. Otherwise, you're just spurring the Right further.
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Trump will probably appoint Giuliani precisely because the NY Times does not think it a good idea.
I'd like to see an experiment carried out: All media everywhere stops reporting anything dealing with the president elect. Then perhaps he will loose interest and go away.
I'd like to see an experiment carried out: All media everywhere stops reporting anything dealing with the president elect. Then perhaps he will loose interest and go away.
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The moral equivalents of Orcs are about to swarm the White House.
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The voters wanted a king who could reverse things and bring jobs back to these shores. Why should they care if he chooses an unqualified individual to run the State Department.
Their future will let the world know through Sec. Giuliani that the USA has a new sheriff in town.
And if the nation and the world is set on fire during the process of the king setting
things straight, so what? They don't care because the king promised to make America great once more. Long live the king.
Their future will let the world know through Sec. Giuliani that the USA has a new sheriff in town.
And if the nation and the world is set on fire during the process of the king setting
things straight, so what? They don't care because the king promised to make America great once more. Long live the king.
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The same things were said about Ronald Reagan and everything turned out just fine.
Perhaps the Senate will have something to say about Trump's appointments. One can only hope.
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They will approve all of them.
For weeks, the NY Times had a percentage banner on its front page, claiming Hillary Clinton would win the election by 80-90%. Don't you folks have at least a little egg on your face? You make Giuliani sound like he didn't accomplish anything.
I never voted for Giuliani, and I agree, he said some awful things during the campaign. Nobody seems to care about awful things being said. Trump has made that the new norm.
If memory serves correctly, Giuliani was a very popular mayor here, serving two terms. If three terms were allowed, he probably would have won that. He oversaw the transformation of a new, bustling Times Square (whether you hate it or not). He found the money to put more cops on the streets and crime plummeted. And he got rid of the homeless people I had to walk over every night before entering my home. They had been sleeping in the vestibule of my building on the Lower East Side for many years.
I don't think the good he's done for NYC qualifies him to be Secretary of State, but he's the only mayor I know of who has dressed in drag at a public event. Doesn't that give him some credence with the NY Times?
I never voted for Giuliani, and I agree, he said some awful things during the campaign. Nobody seems to care about awful things being said. Trump has made that the new norm.
If memory serves correctly, Giuliani was a very popular mayor here, serving two terms. If three terms were allowed, he probably would have won that. He oversaw the transformation of a new, bustling Times Square (whether you hate it or not). He found the money to put more cops on the streets and crime plummeted. And he got rid of the homeless people I had to walk over every night before entering my home. They had been sleeping in the vestibule of my building on the Lower East Side for many years.
I don't think the good he's done for NYC qualifies him to be Secretary of State, but he's the only mayor I know of who has dressed in drag at a public event. Doesn't that give him some credence with the NY Times?
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Of the candidates on his short list, who do you think is best?
It's sad but their is nothing but irrational hate, dishonesty and obvious insanity on display at the Times in its coverage and in most of the posts. What is it when you keep doing and saying the same awful things but expect a different result? The Democrat Party and true believing liberals are engaged in a circular firing squad in full view of the American people who want to turn away in horror but can't resist the spectacle of a public suicide. Like watching someone jump from the ledge of a tall building. Stop before it is too late and be quiet for awhile. Introspection should be your goal now or we will end up a one party right wing state. There are only four states now that have both a Democrat governor and a Democrat legislature. Think about that and the 900 Democrat seats lost in legislatures, the 60 lost in the House and the loss of the Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS. Time is running out.
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Because he is a self-centered, mean spirited, condescending, groveling man.
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He should do what is best for the country just keep Kerry in the job if he wants it.
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Why not? Rudi is the choice of the people who voted for Trump. If people wanted a seasoned diplomat as their SOS, they would not have elected a President like Trump. Let the mess be completed by Newt and Jeff Sessions and John Bolton. Half of America has voted to destroy this country, and they have won! Elections have consequences! particularly when a Pseudo-democracy in which one Iowan vote is worth 80 Californian vote is presented as the "greatest Democracy" on the face of the Earth! Hopefully, this will be an exercise in learning that Democracy in an ignorant nation will become self destructive.
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Our last, best hope is that the committees confirming these cabinet officers will have one Republican repulsed enough by Trump's selections to vote no and force our unbelievably inexperienced president-elect to find someone who can actually do the job.
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The thought of Giuliani as secretary of state is ludicrous. Is this a smoke screen to divert attention from something else? Mr. Trump was a master of diversion tactics during the general election. If this is not one of his smoke screens, we are doomed.
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I hope that the officer who carries the nuclear code around following the president with his suitcase is trained in recognizing the signs of insanity and will call someone responsible who will talk Trump down when he has a twitch or bad dream. And please Giuliani is not the one who should do this as he will probably egg him on.
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The sad fact is that there is no Republican who Trump can appoint or nominate to any position who will have the support of The New York Times and its echo chamber. All hate all the time. Automatic rejection of everything Trump says and does. But at least the Senate Republicans did confirm Hillary and other Obama Cabinet nominees, notwithstanding all of Hillary's lies about how she would deal (or not deal) with the Clinton Foundation when she was Secretary of State. The great irony is the total failure of Hillary's Reset button with Russia, and Obama's mocking of Romney when he called Russia our greatest strategic challenge. I wonder how the Times and its echo chamber view the Russian threat through the prism of the Presidential campaign and election.
Does The Editorial Board wonder why it has no credibility? I doubt it. Echoes in the echo chamber are too loud.
Does The Editorial Board wonder why it has no credibility? I doubt it. Echoes in the echo chamber are too loud.
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What? Rudy Giuliani for Secretary of State? What is next? Charles Manson for Attorney General?
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Assad just called Trump "a natural ally".
This is same guy who used chemical weapons on his own people.
Giuliani's qualifications are that he is a sycophant.
Are we running out of Red Flags yet.
This is same guy who used chemical weapons on his own people.
Giuliani's qualifications are that he is a sycophant.
Are we running out of Red Flags yet.
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At this point, I'd rather see the NY Times run front page stories about puppies and unicorn sightings. I can't enjoy my morning news read anymore, I begin to feel ill.
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Would you prefer Mr. Giuliani as Attorney General?
Ugh!
Ugh!
Right after the vote count, we got to see the real Trump--the thing behind the mask. That's good, because now, we won't waste time hoping. We must do what the Republicans did for the last 8 years, but do it better. Obstruct, obstruct and obstruct. Play for time and hope the Democratic Party can grow a spine in the next 2 years and win back the House or Senate.
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And, of course, Trump is going to read this editorial....the situation is worse than G. W. Bush's presidency because there are NO experienced people in the inner dircle at all. This is what sociopath's do. I'm surprised that so many continue to think this could go well.
Do you think Trump is listening what you are stating in your article.
Have your own Tweeter account to relay your opinion. You will be heard.
Have your own Tweeter account to relay your opinion. You will be heard.
Giuliani shouldn't be anything.
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A few facts that New Yorkers, especially NYPD and FDNY know about "America's Mayor" that wouldn't bode well for Rudy if he met one in a dark alley.
1. On June 6, 1999, FDNY staged a drill in the WTC where they would fight a nonexistent fire on the 98th floor. They closed a stairwell in the North Tower, put a line of hundreds of manikins along the wall to represent fleeing tenants, even put smoke generators in the basement. Firefighters in full gear climbed the 98 floors to "put out" the fire. All went well except for the radios. While NYPD used UHF frequencies in the 480 MHz range, FDNY was stuck with a VHF system in the 160 MHz range which did not penetrate buildings nearly as well as the UHF systems. There were no interconnects or cross-band retrievers for the 2 systems. Radio failures were monumental, with not only loss of contact with control centers, but sometimes with bretheren only 3 floors away. They asked Rudy for new radios, but he refused, putting up one useless repeater on the OUTSIDE of WT 7 that wasn't even working on 9/11.
2. On 9/11, Rudy, his police chief, fire chief, & emergency mgt. chief went down to the site briefly and then began to walk up Broadway looking for TV crews to make self-aggrandizing speeches to instead of doing their jobs.
3. Rudy located the Emergency Mgt Center in 7 WT against advise of the Office of Emergency Mg., since WTC was already a known target that had been attacked 8 years previously. The Red Cross was safely in Brooklyn.
1. On June 6, 1999, FDNY staged a drill in the WTC where they would fight a nonexistent fire on the 98th floor. They closed a stairwell in the North Tower, put a line of hundreds of manikins along the wall to represent fleeing tenants, even put smoke generators in the basement. Firefighters in full gear climbed the 98 floors to "put out" the fire. All went well except for the radios. While NYPD used UHF frequencies in the 480 MHz range, FDNY was stuck with a VHF system in the 160 MHz range which did not penetrate buildings nearly as well as the UHF systems. There were no interconnects or cross-band retrievers for the 2 systems. Radio failures were monumental, with not only loss of contact with control centers, but sometimes with bretheren only 3 floors away. They asked Rudy for new radios, but he refused, putting up one useless repeater on the OUTSIDE of WT 7 that wasn't even working on 9/11.
2. On 9/11, Rudy, his police chief, fire chief, & emergency mgt. chief went down to the site briefly and then began to walk up Broadway looking for TV crews to make self-aggrandizing speeches to instead of doing their jobs.
3. Rudy located the Emergency Mgt Center in 7 WT against advise of the Office of Emergency Mg., since WTC was already a known target that had been attacked 8 years previously. The Red Cross was safely in Brooklyn.
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Trump is really scrapping the muck on the bottom of the barrel.
Years ago, Rudy was described as "a noun, a verb and 9/11".
He is still dining out on 9/11 even if he did nothing heroic during that siege though he pretended the opposite. He claims to have run towards the scene of the bombing even if he was running away from it.
He has shown nothing but monumentally poor judgment in every instance and when he was reluctant to step aside at the time Bloomberg became mayor, the latter had to tell him not so politely to leave!
He has been an abject failure in every thing he has done and still he refuses to leave the political scene.
Please Rudy, leave! You will not be missed!
He is still dining out on 9/11 even if he did nothing heroic during that siege though he pretended the opposite. He claims to have run towards the scene of the bombing even if he was running away from it.
He has shown nothing but monumentally poor judgment in every instance and when he was reluctant to step aside at the time Bloomberg became mayor, the latter had to tell him not so politely to leave!
He has been an abject failure in every thing he has done and still he refuses to leave the political scene.
Please Rudy, leave! You will not be missed!
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Now that we have already fallen off the cliff, does it matter if we fall another 10 feet? Lay it on us, Mr Trump. Breitbart, Guiliani, whatever. Knock yourself out.
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While it's true Giuliani was shilling for the MEK for years, kindly remember it was an equal-opportunity, bi-partisan bunch of vultures in on the feed:
Howard Dean (ex-DNC chair), Tom Ridge (ex-homeland security chief), Ed Rendell (ex-governor Pennsylvania), James Woolsey (ex-CIA director), John Sano (ex-deputy director, CIA clandestine operations), James Jones (ex-Obama national security advisor), Hugh Shelton (ex-chair, US joint chiefs of staff) , Louis Freeh (ex-FBI director), Michael Mukasey (ex-US attorney general.) Not to mention Newt Gingrich getting himself in for a little taste at the last minute.
MEK was a terrorist org. until someone in State decided in 2012 that it wasn't. That it might be a useful stick to to have in the bag for dealing with Tehran.
Reza Marashi (ex-official, State Department's Iran desk) reviewed evidence against the MEK during this period of heavy lobbying and judged the terrorism designation to be appropriate.
"My former government colleagues are bewildered by the freedom of movement that a designated terrorist organization enjoys on Capitol Hill. They're disgusted by former US government officials willing to make a quick buck by shilling for the MEK."
Howard Dean (ex-DNC chair), Tom Ridge (ex-homeland security chief), Ed Rendell (ex-governor Pennsylvania), James Woolsey (ex-CIA director), John Sano (ex-deputy director, CIA clandestine operations), James Jones (ex-Obama national security advisor), Hugh Shelton (ex-chair, US joint chiefs of staff) , Louis Freeh (ex-FBI director), Michael Mukasey (ex-US attorney general.) Not to mention Newt Gingrich getting himself in for a little taste at the last minute.
MEK was a terrorist org. until someone in State decided in 2012 that it wasn't. That it might be a useful stick to to have in the bag for dealing with Tehran.
Reza Marashi (ex-official, State Department's Iran desk) reviewed evidence against the MEK during this period of heavy lobbying and judged the terrorism designation to be appropriate.
"My former government colleagues are bewildered by the freedom of movement that a designated terrorist organization enjoys on Capitol Hill. They're disgusted by former US government officials willing to make a quick buck by shilling for the MEK."
Go for a pound, for God's sake, Donald. Ron Paul for secretary of state. Do you want to shake things up or don't you?
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When you're repulsed by your own countrymen to the extent Giuliani is the rest of the world's dignitaries aren't going to have respect shoved down their throats. "... you say his plane is waiting down on the tarmac? let him wait." How are regular working people going to be represented in the Trump administration? Are we going to have to wait for the " Trickle down" to kick in out of the payroll department? They got Supply Side/Trickle Down past them again. Hold your breath until it gets to you. Mikey will eat anything.
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Let Trump pick anyone he wants. The best way to expose his failure as a human being is to exhibit it. Kushner, though, is another matter completely. I'm Jewish. And Kushner is a REAL menace. America's real allies should watch him carefully. Anti-Semitism can only increase with him around.
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Gulliani. SMH.
9/11-The best day of Giuliani's life. He has been on easy street ever since.
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Besides Trump rewarding Giuliani's slavish adoration and support, I also wonder whether this just isn't Trump's puppet because Trump actually would be making the SoS decisions as Giuliani is so obviously unqualified and would be in way over his head Well, Trump and his son-in-law possibly. From sitting here in Indiana, it looked like to me that the 9/11 tragedy remade Giuliani's career.
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"Anyone offering sound advice ..."
You're kidding, right? Sound advice to the guy who tweeted "check out sex tape" at three a.m.? Or how about : "most of them are rapists," "build a wall," "ban all Muslims," "I don't ask .. Grab em by the ___," "my daughter has a great body," "if I weren't her father I'd probably be dating her," praising Putin, "blood coming out of her wherever," "it's very hard for a flat chested woman to be a ten," "bad hombres," "she gained ... weight and it was a problem," pointing to ten year old and saying "I'll be dating her in ten years," telling crowd "I'll pay the legal fees" if they commit violence.
Someone is giving that guy sound advice and he's going to take it?
You're kidding, right? Sound advice to the guy who tweeted "check out sex tape" at three a.m.? Or how about : "most of them are rapists," "build a wall," "ban all Muslims," "I don't ask .. Grab em by the ___," "my daughter has a great body," "if I weren't her father I'd probably be dating her," praising Putin, "blood coming out of her wherever," "it's very hard for a flat chested woman to be a ten," "bad hombres," "she gained ... weight and it was a problem," pointing to ten year old and saying "I'll be dating her in ten years," telling crowd "I'll pay the legal fees" if they commit violence.
Someone is giving that guy sound advice and he's going to take it?
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'Nuff said. Next?!!
The "America's Mayor" shtick is one of the biggest scams in history. What did he do that any other mayor, in the same circumstances, would have been expected to do? Like Trump, Giuliani is largely a creation of the media.
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At this point the fact the NYT is saying RG is not a good candidate for SoS is probably would probably make DT think he should appoint him.
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America has hit an iceberg and its name is Donald Trump. And the Titanic is rapidly sinking taking to the depths most of the passengers and crew.
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Thanks Editorial Board, knowing how much Donald Trump dislikes the NYTimes, you just cemented Rudy Giuliani as our next Secretary of State!
Where are the GREATEST people, Trump has promised to fill his administration with? So far we've seen the BAD, the WORSE, and the TRULY DEPLORABLE. The next four years are promising to be a very bumpy ride.
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Can you feel the Con?
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It is as I thought all along. This was all just a big game to Trump; he just wanted to see if he *could* do it. Now he has, and he has no clue how to proceed.
Case in point? Trump's availing himself of Republican re-treads and has-beens. So much for your draining the swamp.
Hey! All you angry white voters who voted THIS guy in? Meet your new boss; same as the old boss.
Case in point? Trump's availing himself of Republican re-treads and has-beens. So much for your draining the swamp.
Hey! All you angry white voters who voted THIS guy in? Meet your new boss; same as the old boss.
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Yes, the next Secretary of State will have an immense job of picking up the shattered pieces of a disastrous eight year long Obama/Clinton/Kerry foreign "policy". And while I'm not sure that Giuliani is up to the task, I find it laugh out loud hilarious to read that the NY Times editorial "staff" is hypocritically screaming about Giuliani's foreign speaking engagements after spending the last 16 years trying to sweep the activities of the Clinton Foundation under the rug. Oh and by the way, that Iranian "terrorist" group the NY Times editorial "staff" is grousing about? That is a group opposed to the current mad Imam led regime that rules Iran, AND it was taken of the State Department's terrorist organization list under none other than Hillary Clinton. AND Giuliani didn't have anything to do with the organization until it had been taken of the list. Jeez, you'd think the NY Times editorial "staff" might crawl out from under their rock once in awhile and get some fresh air, and maybe some less hypocritical and more realistic opinions.
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OMG...That stands for Oh My God.
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"“I do not believe that the president loves America,” Mr. Giuliani said at a dinner in Midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”
Rudy Giuliani's father was a small-time hood who did time in Sing Sing and worked as an enforcer for a mob crew run by his brother in law. He dodged the draft.
Barack Obama's principal father figure, his grandfather, was a hard working Midwesterner who served in WWII. His grandmother was a bank manager.
I guess Giuliani was counting on his audience being too stupid or lazy to check.
Rudy Giuliani's father was a small-time hood who did time in Sing Sing and worked as an enforcer for a mob crew run by his brother in law. He dodged the draft.
Barack Obama's principal father figure, his grandfather, was a hard working Midwesterner who served in WWII. His grandmother was a bank manager.
I guess Giuliani was counting on his audience being too stupid or lazy to check.
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Okay, I know I'm heaping it on but.... Rudy Giuliani's "diplomatic skills" also include informing his then-wife via a public press conference that he wanted a divorce, and leading what amounted to racially tinged riot by NYC police officers when he ran against Mayor Dinkins.
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The NY Times Editorial Board should have thought about this before they put their thumb on the scale for HRC.
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Well, they did think about it...and that's also why they didn't endorse Donald Trump.
Keep up.
Keep up.
The NY Times as with most of the media, led a campaign against Trump. Some media, like the New Yorker, were so over the top that they actually devoted an entire issue to bashing him.
He is our president-elect. He was fairly elected and will get to do what his voters elected him to do.
If you don't like his policies, decisions, appointments so be it.
The American people rejected the NY Times views and truly couldn't care less what you think.
Maybe you could actually just stick to reporting the news instead of being a propaganda organ for the failed Dems.
He is our president-elect. He was fairly elected and will get to do what his voters elected him to do.
If you don't like his policies, decisions, appointments so be it.
The American people rejected the NY Times views and truly couldn't care less what you think.
Maybe you could actually just stick to reporting the news instead of being a propaganda organ for the failed Dems.
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Bolton, Corker, Gingrich, Khalilzad, McChrystal. The short list is not exactly inspiring. Which alternative would you prefer?
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The pattern of Trump's proposed appointments so far is predictable: He is shunning anyone who was a contender in the GOP primaries. (Even had the Bridgegate guilty verdicts not come in, Christie would have been discarded for this reason.) And any Republican who had the nerve to repudiate his candidacy. Between these two disqualifiers, the field gets pretty narrow, since practically every Republican either ran against him or criticized him or both. Even given these slim pickings, Giuliani's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I think he's about used up whatever unearned goodwill he got out of 9/11, and is where he is now not out of any merit, but by appointing himself Salacious B. Crumb to Trump's Jabba the Hutt.
Well, America, you wanted a change.
Well, America, you wanted a change.
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I don't know, he may be fine. I suspect our 'foreign policy' may amount to 'Here's what we want, give it to us or we'll desert you / bomb you.'
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He can't be worse than Hillary.
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Actually he can. I hope you remember making that statement over the next four years.
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@M.
No disrespect, but it sounds like you should really do a bit more research on Rudy Giuliani.
Another thing.
Most of us here in New York already know what the rest of America is about to learn.
Good luck with that.
No disrespect, but it sounds like you should really do a bit more research on Rudy Giuliani.
Another thing.
Most of us here in New York already know what the rest of America is about to learn.
Good luck with that.
Really, NYTimes, don't you think this editorial is moot? If there is anyone here in NYC who does not know why Giuliani at State would be toxic, they shouldn't be walking the streets unattended.
As for those out there in the Hinterlands who did not heed the example of we in the Empire State, who thought they knew better than New York elitists like a real billionaire Mike Bloomberg, who warned US, "If Donald runs the country like he's run his business, God help us", well, now you've got him.
Be sure to keep in touch, and let us know when all those well-paying jobs you were promised return. We who live comfortably in the City are looking forward to even more tax cuts. Go Rump: Making America Grate, Again.
DD
Manhattan
As for those out there in the Hinterlands who did not heed the example of we in the Empire State, who thought they knew better than New York elitists like a real billionaire Mike Bloomberg, who warned US, "If Donald runs the country like he's run his business, God help us", well, now you've got him.
Be sure to keep in touch, and let us know when all those well-paying jobs you were promised return. We who live comfortably in the City are looking forward to even more tax cuts. Go Rump: Making America Grate, Again.
DD
Manhattan
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The Trump political policy is much like Old Tammany Hall where the only qualification to secure a position in the Democratic Party is ,you scratch my back & I’ll scratch yours.Qualifications be dammed, Giuliani was one of the first to support Trump. In any event, Trump doesn’t need a Secretary of State, he has already decided what is good for the world.
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Again, Senator Schumer can block Mr. Giuliani from getting this post by using Senatorial Courtesy.
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So, obstructionist actions are all right as long as they obstruct people YOU do not like?
Rudy Giuliani is a vile, vindictive and spiteful individual. (This was evident during his 2nd term as mayor of NYC.) This editorial is right on point on why Mr. Giuliani should not be Secretary of State. Oh, as for your comment about obstructionist actions, well, the GOP did the same thing regarding blocking Judge Garland (President Obama's pick for the Supreme Court) from getting a Senate Hearing.
Living in the city since 1980, I can tell you Giuliani was a failed Mayor until 911 when he turned the tragedy into a platform for self promotion.
Thank God the city kicked him out and we got a quality leader in Michael Bloomberg- just in the nick of time.
Thank God the city kicked him out and we got a quality leader in Michael Bloomberg- just in the nick of time.
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NYT and others have been rightly criticizing Trump for the last year and brought out many unscrupulous things that he did.
Nothing it seems matters. I dont think this Editorial regarding Guliani is going to matter either. Mr Trump knows his supporters will accept anything.
Nothing it seems matters. I dont think this Editorial regarding Guliani is going to matter either. Mr Trump knows his supporters will accept anything.
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Even as a loyal Democrat and someone that voted for Hillary, I'm still waiting for the Times to scale it back. There is no other reason to use the photo you are using for this article than to make Giuliani look foolish. I don't agree with his views, but he is deserving of respect. It makes the Times look pithy to act otherwise.
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Could there be more disparate news this week? The loss of Ms. Ifill - a truly exceptional person and Cronkite-caliber journalist - and the ascendancy of Rudolph Giuliani, a truly . . . . Well, I'll let you fill in the blank.
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One of the most glaring flaws in our system of government is that there are minimal requirements for the job of POTUS. Watching Trump bumble through the task of organizing his cabinet and the bureaucracy, it is apparent that job requirements are minimal, or irrelevant, for high-level positions in government as well.
It is alarming to see that Trump is getting away with appointing his friends, family, and supporters to critical positions who have neither the education, the experience, nor especially the wisdom to handle those responsibilities. Breitbart as "chief strategist"?? Jared Kushner getting a top secret clearance?? His children as political advisors or cabinet members ??? THESE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Despite the pleas of President Obama and Secretary Clinton, I will not accept Trump as my president. I am unwilling to "give him a chance to lead", as Clinton suggested, because he is going to lead the world backwards into negativity and disarray. The challenge now, for those who think like me, is how to stop him.
It is alarming to see that Trump is getting away with appointing his friends, family, and supporters to critical positions who have neither the education, the experience, nor especially the wisdom to handle those responsibilities. Breitbart as "chief strategist"?? Jared Kushner getting a top secret clearance?? His children as political advisors or cabinet members ??? THESE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Despite the pleas of President Obama and Secretary Clinton, I will not accept Trump as my president. I am unwilling to "give him a chance to lead", as Clinton suggested, because he is going to lead the world backwards into negativity and disarray. The challenge now, for those who think like me, is how to stop him.
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The NY Whines attempts to sum up his mayoral term in 2 sentences ? Wow. Most remember the accomplishments. Looks like one more thing the sad editorial Board will need to get over as the country and readers move FORWARD- without them and their failed policy stances.
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"To the victor belongs the spoils".
I realize that the NYT and 1/2 the voters of this country feel, shall I say, threatened by a Trump administration and, indeed, a figure like Mr. Giuliani trying to negotiate anything other than longer terms for black prisoners appears ludicrous but the American public has spoken and Mr. Trump, if nothing else, will "reward" those loyal to him in what seemed a lost cause.
Let's try to "spin" this, as you media guys say, and be somewhat thankful that Mr. Giuliani is not in the running for Attorney General. At least, as Secretary of State, he'd be out of the country for a good amount of time versus the AG job which would saddle all of us with this man 24/7/365.
Time to face up to the fact that the "Clown Car" won the election and more of these "clowns" that are sent overseas, the better for the rest of us.
How about Mr. Gingrich as ambassador to Patagonia, perhaps? Mr. Carson as
"special ambassador" to Antarctica? He'd do well with the penguins, I think.
Overall, this administration will reward the loyalists and the unneeded, like the unfortunate Mr. Christie, will find themselves dumped off at the nearest roadside garbage pail.
We're just a "Banana Republic" with nuclear weapons at this point and the image of a Rudy Giuliani trying to negotiate a "solution" to, let's say, Syria just fuel for SNL skits!
I realize that the NYT and 1/2 the voters of this country feel, shall I say, threatened by a Trump administration and, indeed, a figure like Mr. Giuliani trying to negotiate anything other than longer terms for black prisoners appears ludicrous but the American public has spoken and Mr. Trump, if nothing else, will "reward" those loyal to him in what seemed a lost cause.
Let's try to "spin" this, as you media guys say, and be somewhat thankful that Mr. Giuliani is not in the running for Attorney General. At least, as Secretary of State, he'd be out of the country for a good amount of time versus the AG job which would saddle all of us with this man 24/7/365.
Time to face up to the fact that the "Clown Car" won the election and more of these "clowns" that are sent overseas, the better for the rest of us.
How about Mr. Gingrich as ambassador to Patagonia, perhaps? Mr. Carson as
"special ambassador" to Antarctica? He'd do well with the penguins, I think.
Overall, this administration will reward the loyalists and the unneeded, like the unfortunate Mr. Christie, will find themselves dumped off at the nearest roadside garbage pail.
We're just a "Banana Republic" with nuclear weapons at this point and the image of a Rudy Giuliani trying to negotiate a "solution" to, let's say, Syria just fuel for SNL skits!
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Indeed the American public has spoken and has selected Hillary by a large margin.
Dear cajin,
Reality check, please. The popular vote, obviously, doesn't matter; Trump's the hairmannder in chief and that's that.
The "other half" seems quite pleased with this choice bringing Steven Wright's old comment "One half the people you know are below average" to mind.
Very, very true as that old bell shaped curve has taken a giant swing right dragging the rest of us with it.
'Altleft" anyone?
Reality check, please. The popular vote, obviously, doesn't matter; Trump's the hairmannder in chief and that's that.
The "other half" seems quite pleased with this choice bringing Steven Wright's old comment "One half the people you know are below average" to mind.
Very, very true as that old bell shaped curve has taken a giant swing right dragging the rest of us with it.
'Altleft" anyone?
Julie Annie qualifies to be Secretary of State because he does NOT have his own private email server. Isn't that enough?
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Sandy do you have trouble spelling? Oh wait you're from Georgia.
@Queens
Watch it. Or soon they'll start saying similarly rude things about New York....which in this particular case, wouldn't be too far from the truth.
Watch it. Or soon they'll start saying similarly rude things about New York....which in this particular case, wouldn't be too far from the truth.
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Narcissists are notoriously vulnerable to flattery...and to being told what they WANT to hear, as opposed to what they NEED to hear.
I expect therefore that Trump's cabinet will be a ludicrous gang of yes-men, boot lickers, campaign contributors, flatterers and hangers-on...who all will gush in praise of the Emperor's New Clothes.
Trump himself is an incompetent--how likely is it he will chose cabinet members whose competence will outshine him??
So Giuliani is a perfect start. God help us.
I expect therefore that Trump's cabinet will be a ludicrous gang of yes-men, boot lickers, campaign contributors, flatterers and hangers-on...who all will gush in praise of the Emperor's New Clothes.
Trump himself is an incompetent--how likely is it he will chose cabinet members whose competence will outshine him??
So Giuliani is a perfect start. God help us.
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hahahaha, this from the board that endorsed perhaps the only democrat who could lose to Trump: "A successful secretary of state must be steeped in history and geopolitics and have shrewd negotiating skills and a clear sense of America’s capabilities, principles and the limits of Washington’s power."
What, you mean like Henry Kissinger or Hilary Clinton? Too rich.
What, you mean like Henry Kissinger or Hilary Clinton? Too rich.
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You clearly suffer from that uniquely Republican condition of believing what you wish, facts be damned.
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Giuliani was yesterday's news yesterday. He makes Norma Desmond look relevant.
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Well, this, an editorial by the New York Times, will probably cinch the deal for Giuliani. That's how the Trumpolini tanks roll... The Trumpsters reject all media they disagree with, so they can make up their own new reality and set of facts.
Tom Cotton is worse
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John Bolton for Secretary of State. Unlike Hillary he has experience in international affairs, feels we should take a strong stance against ISIS, was opposed to prematurely withdrawing troops from Iraq and famously said that eliminating the top 10 floors of the UN wouldn't make a bit of difference.
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yes, you are correct...he should not be appointed.
"Unlike Hillary"? Really? John Bolton is the ultimate hawk. You want a war? Go to John.
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Haha. The list of possible cabinet picks is frightening. It's astounding what is happening. Neocons, halfwits, we will be lucky to get out alive.
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Definitely not Giuliani! Not very diplomatic to start with, he was just a totally self righteous, racially biased and even corrupt mayor for the rich, with little regard for the poor.
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What corruption?
I agree that Giuliani should not get this job. I fear John Bolton will be pushed in Giuliani's stead. John Bolton is as bad worse.
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"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. I'm Donald Trump and I'm supported by First Officer Jared Kushner, and our Navigator, Rudy Giuliani." Like running the federal government, which involves life or death decisions, the Trump Administration will be flying our 747 with ZERO experience. Trump supporters have made a serious leap of faith if they think that on-the-job training will do the trick! "Sit back and enjoy your flight!"
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When you are the King you were born to rule. It will work out once we get past "get even time."
mr. giuliani is an establishment figure that mr. trump opposed. where is the job creation for rural white americans? i think anybody other than giullani can do the job - that is what trump said during the campaign.
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Remind me how HRC was more experienced than RG? Also now you care about conflicts?
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Trump should swallow hard and hire Hillary.
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Yes, it's going to be tough to correct all the fails of the obama administration. Let's hear some crowing about SCOTUS nominees. Maybe Sessions will get it.
What fails are you referring to?
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If memory serves, RUDY GIULIANI was the only Trump spokesperson who dared to go on the Sunday talk shows after the now infamous 'Access Hollywood' tape became public.
One really wanted to watch KELLYANNE CONWAY spin the story but, alas, she opted out.
Only America's Mayor went on air to 'defend' (LOL) his patron.
And now....he'll reap his reward.
God help us.
One really wanted to watch KELLYANNE CONWAY spin the story but, alas, she opted out.
Only America's Mayor went on air to 'defend' (LOL) his patron.
And now....he'll reap his reward.
God help us.
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Welcome to a ring side seat for the 'Fall of the American Empire'.... It's going to be "Yuge"!
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Thank you for reminding us of some of Giuliani's career highlights, it was wonderful when he left the stage in NYC after his mayoralty ended. Let's not forget how very thin skinned he is, something he has in common with Trump, being unable to take criticism probably wouldn't be a good thing for a secretary of state, please find SOMEBODY who has some understanding of the job of a top diplomat. So far Trump is off to a disastrous start, very very hard to give him a chance as President Obama has asked.
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From "America's Mayor" to "Trump's Toady"...Giuliani just ain't the same man he used to be.
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Paraphrasing his own words, “I do not believe that Mr. Giuliani loves America,”....... “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”
Slip, Sach, Bobby, Whitey, Junior...you guys gotta see the gang is back in action. New Yawkers outta be proud of them boyz. They gonna cut all you Joes in on the action, just wait and see. Make America like them old days when toughs ran the streets.
Really just asking...why were Clintons speeches to Goldman Sachs a disqualifying event but Guilianis speeches to cultlke Iranian figures not? The hypocrisy is breathtaking!
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You are the parent to Trumps 14 year old mind. Because you have said no he will relish in this appointment.
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While it may have been a contentious incident over Giuliani's ejection of Arafat from a NY Philharmonic concert, one must remember the historical context here. The 1995 Oslo accords did not advance peace between the two peoples. In fact, Arafat spoke to his Arab audiences on continuous Jihad against Jerusalem, and the ultimate destruction of Israel in phases, together with murderous suicide bombings of Israeli buses. Arafat was a terror chief disguised as a statesman.
Giuliani should be US Attorney General, NOT Secretary of State. I suggest Trump re-appoint Clinton to Secretary of State, maybe she'll be taken out in a Benghazi-style attack, and then we all can say "What difference does it make?"
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"These are the times that try men's souls"
Remember that Mr Trump is not political leader, and he is surrounded by jackels. Mr Gates' book "Duty" outlines his experience being kept in Sec of Defense position in the Bush/Obama transition. It quite doable- requires integrity and patriotism.
I hope and pray that Mr Trump can focus on the good of the country, and resist the traditional arbitary nepotism of rewarding party/& personal loyalty.
If it takes him longer to transition, he should take the time. That is what a good CEO would do.
Remember that Mr Trump is not political leader, and he is surrounded by jackels. Mr Gates' book "Duty" outlines his experience being kept in Sec of Defense position in the Bush/Obama transition. It quite doable- requires integrity and patriotism.
I hope and pray that Mr Trump can focus on the good of the country, and resist the traditional arbitary nepotism of rewarding party/& personal loyalty.
If it takes him longer to transition, he should take the time. That is what a good CEO would do.
"In 2000, he enraged black New Yorkers with his shockingly insensitive response to the fatal police shooting of Patrick Dorismond, an unarmed black man, whom Mr. Giuliani derided as less than an “altar boy.”"
Not only black New Yorkers, please NYT! All decent people period!
Not only black New Yorkers, please NYT! All decent people period!
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Threw a terrorist with tons of innocent Jewish blood on his hands out of the New York Philharmonic- Sounds like good judgment to me.Rudy is tough he cleaned up New York and he'll clean up the State Department and set the world straight.
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Think about it. You are an normal person and a person of good will. Just imagine suddenly being made President… You could beckon some of the most competent, most benevolent people in the world into your fold. With such a team think of what you might accomplish.
Think about it. You are an abnormal person and a person of ill will. Just imagine suddenly being made President… You could beckon some of the most incompetent, most malevolent people in the world into your fold. With such a team think of what you might accomplish.
Think about it. You are an abnormal person and a person of ill will. Just imagine suddenly being made President… You could beckon some of the most incompetent, most malevolent people in the world into your fold. With such a team think of what you might accomplish.
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Why Giuliani shouldn't be Secretary of State: For the same reason Trump shouldn't be President.
'nough said.
'nough said.
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He looks like a character from Doom 3. Like he's going demon. Nice pic.
Another Obama-denialist and white supremacist in Trump's inner circle.
If you think those titles too extreme for Giulianissimo Rudy--or his police force--read up on Abner Louima, or just read the second-last paragraph.
If you think those titles too extreme for Giulianissimo Rudy--or his police force--read up on Abner Louima, or just read the second-last paragraph.
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Who does the Times Editorial Board think it's kidding?? The Times will never ever approve of anyone Donald Trump nominates for anything so this editorial is a complete waste of time. What were John Kerry's "qualifications" to become Secretary of State? Kerry was never a diplomat and didn't have a background in foreign policy. Therefore, according to the Times, Kerry wasn't qualified to be Secretary of State either.
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Let's not forget Giuliani's 1999 war with the Brooklyn Museum of Art:https://partners.nytimes.com/library/arts/092499brooklyn-museum.html
He wanted "to terminate [BMA's] lease with the city and possibly even seize control of the museum unless it cancels a British exhibition that features a portrait of the Virgin Mary stained with elephant dung."
It was a case of him being offended by something and then using all of his mayoral power to try to stop it. So we've got another example of Giuliani's silencing tactics and his willingness to abuse power at the slightest provocation.
He wanted "to terminate [BMA's] lease with the city and possibly even seize control of the museum unless it cancels a British exhibition that features a portrait of the Virgin Mary stained with elephant dung."
It was a case of him being offended by something and then using all of his mayoral power to try to stop it. So we've got another example of Giuliani's silencing tactics and his willingness to abuse power at the slightest provocation.
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What ever happened to, "don't worry about his inexperience, he will surround himself with good people"?
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The Times opposes Giuliani for State because of his history of poor judgment. Yet, the Times supported Hillary for President despite her history of poor judgment.
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You're not from New York, so you don't know the real deal about Giuliani.
Google him.
You'll get a better idea of what his "judgement" did to our city.
Google him.
You'll get a better idea of what his "judgement" did to our city.
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Trump could very well appoint Rudy simply to spite this article and the NYTimes.
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Dear God. First he puts a climate change skeptic in charge of the EPA transition--which is a bit like asking Ozzie Osbourne to take care of your pet bats--now this.
I never thought I'd be nostalgic for the Dick Cheney years.
I never thought I'd be nostalgic for the Dick Cheney years.
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Next move by Trump will to be to make David Duke head of African American Relations.
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Whoever pays Giuliani for advice is wasting their money.
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I disagree. Giuliani is a just the man to carry out "Trumplomacy."
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I believe that the New York Times is not given Rudy a fair chance, he can teach us volumes about love for America, love for personal gain, and love for your cousin.
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T Rump’s original cabinet
Department of State – Steve Bannon
Smirking face of our alt-rightist nationalist diplomacy
Department of the Treasury –Dick Cheney
because “deficits don’t matter”
Department of Defense – Paul Manafort
for experience in building partnerships with Russia and all other dictators
Department of Justice –Rudolph Giuliani
What constitutes justice is still being debated
Department of the Interior – Donald Trump Jr
For skill in hunting wildlife
Department of Agriculture – Ben Carson
Vegetables, brain surgery, what’s the difference?
Department of Labor Sean Hannity
To reduce wages and gut unions
Department of Health and Human Services – Rush Limbaugh
For increasing access to painkillers and other drugs
Department of Housing and Urban Development -Eric Trump
Direct deals secretly to the Trump Organization and cronies
Department of Transportation – Chris Christie
He knows which bridges to close and tunnels not to build
Department of Energy – Sarah Palin
Drill, baby,drill
Press Secretary - Roger Ailes
For all the news unfit to print
Environmental Protection Agency –any CEO of an oil or chemical company
Foxes guard hen houses
FBI -Roger Stone
Conspiracies are everywhere.
CIA – Alex Jones
Conspiracies are everywhere
Department of State – Steve Bannon
Smirking face of our alt-rightist nationalist diplomacy
Department of the Treasury –Dick Cheney
because “deficits don’t matter”
Department of Defense – Paul Manafort
for experience in building partnerships with Russia and all other dictators
Department of Justice –Rudolph Giuliani
What constitutes justice is still being debated
Department of the Interior – Donald Trump Jr
For skill in hunting wildlife
Department of Agriculture – Ben Carson
Vegetables, brain surgery, what’s the difference?
Department of Labor Sean Hannity
To reduce wages and gut unions
Department of Health and Human Services – Rush Limbaugh
For increasing access to painkillers and other drugs
Department of Housing and Urban Development -Eric Trump
Direct deals secretly to the Trump Organization and cronies
Department of Transportation – Chris Christie
He knows which bridges to close and tunnels not to build
Department of Energy – Sarah Palin
Drill, baby,drill
Press Secretary - Roger Ailes
For all the news unfit to print
Environmental Protection Agency –any CEO of an oil or chemical company
Foxes guard hen houses
FBI -Roger Stone
Conspiracies are everywhere.
CIA – Alex Jones
Conspiracies are everywhere
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If not Rudy Guliani, then whom? John Bolton? Why would any other with the temperament, experience and gravitas to be Secretary of State want to serve on a ship of fools helmed by Captain Trump?
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How about the NYT Editorial Board admit that its only answer to anything Donald Trump, or the fact that he is now the nation's President-elect is "just say no."
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Honestly, I'm not sure the NYTimes telling Mr. Trump not to do something is at all effective. Perhaps some reverse psychology - you know, the type you use with a toddler - would be the better strategy?
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Can we survive with a two thin skinned and narcissistic guys running the World?
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His various insensitive remarks over the years and unworldly public persona make it hard to imagine Giuliani and diplomacy as a proper fit. Besides, a hyper ego and a delusional sense of one’s own worth don’t make for desirable traits in an ordinary diplomat, leave alone in a Secretary of State. It’s time for Giuliani to recognize his limitations – “America’s mayor” was as good as it got for him. Time to hang up the gloves, Mr. Mayor.
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Let's put this more succinctly:
The reason Rudy Giuliani should not be Secretary of State is because he is a maniac.
The reason Rudy Giuliani should not be Secretary of State is because he is a maniac.
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I am agnostic regarding President Elect Trump's picks, I just know that like any incoming chief executive he has a perfect right to pick anyone he chooses to be part of his administration . What I will judge him on is his performance in office.
Apparently the NYT, after having failed to destroy his candidacy is getting an early start on poisoning the well for his administration. But the publisher just sent out a letter congratulating himself on how fairly the paper dealt with all candidates. You can't make this stuff up.
Apparently the NYT, after having failed to destroy his candidacy is getting an early start on poisoning the well for his administration. But the publisher just sent out a letter congratulating himself on how fairly the paper dealt with all candidates. You can't make this stuff up.
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Because he's a raving lunatic? Look who he'd be working for. A perfect fit.
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Poor judgement? Sounds perfect for this ship of fools.
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The amount of hate by psychotic readers who left the comments for this editorial clearly show that NYT replaced glossy magazines in every psychiatrist waiting room. Great marketing job NYT!
Rudy Giuliani will be a fine Secretary of State, at least he will not let out diplomats to be murdered by raging thugs. You know, those who write majority of the comments calling the President elect and his appointments all sorts of names.
Rudy Giuliani will be a fine Secretary of State, at least he will not let out diplomats to be murdered by raging thugs. You know, those who write majority of the comments calling the President elect and his appointments all sorts of names.
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We already got an "unhinged" President; we don't want a like-minded Secretary of State.
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I note on the front page of the Times today a plethora of negative stories about Trump. I note also your touting of "The Nation Divided" meme.
Perhaps you should look inward and, just maybe, take your share of responsibility for that divide.
Over the past months I watched the Time descend to the level of tabloid journalism with your breathless negativity directed toward Trump and your almost dainty treatment of Clinton which included shameless puff pieces on the front page, above the fold.
I think that you owe the american people an apology for your recent performance and I really wish you would stop frothing and get back to creating a paper that americans can be proud of. You know, if you call someone a NAZI, or allude to that possibility and do so day in and day out you should not be surprised if that characterization takes root. Trump is not a NAZI, not even close, not even a little bit. And now he is President. It is time to come out of your safe space, NYT, and deal with it.
Perhaps you should look inward and, just maybe, take your share of responsibility for that divide.
Over the past months I watched the Time descend to the level of tabloid journalism with your breathless negativity directed toward Trump and your almost dainty treatment of Clinton which included shameless puff pieces on the front page, above the fold.
I think that you owe the american people an apology for your recent performance and I really wish you would stop frothing and get back to creating a paper that americans can be proud of. You know, if you call someone a NAZI, or allude to that possibility and do so day in and day out you should not be surprised if that characterization takes root. Trump is not a NAZI, not even close, not even a little bit. And now he is President. It is time to come out of your safe space, NYT, and deal with it.
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Trump promised to "drain the swamp!" Instead, with the appointment of Steve Bannon and Giuliani, he is stocking it with alligators.
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When the dust settles, we can urge our Senators to put a hold on all the outrageous nominations that Trump makes. It will be a good bit of tit-for-tat for the Republicans after they refused to even consider President Obama's latest nomination to the Supreme Court and the way they frequently put a hold on his other nominees to government positions.
Don't let his change of demeanor fool you; the bully is still there right under the skin.
Don't let his change of demeanor fool you; the bully is still there right under the skin.
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The measure of a leader's ability is their choice of assistants. Reagan demonstrated that in spades by appointing and delegating and was able to rule effectively while taking more than his share of time off. But he had the decades of political experience to choose good people to help him. Trump may have good intentions but he is a political neophyte and his choice of cabinet members is dismal. Ulitmately, Trump may be his own worst enemy as his opponents sit back and watch his presidency self-destruct.
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Presidents aren't supposed to rule. Dictators, monarchs, and military juntas rule. Presidents serve. That is all they are authorized to do.
Reagan's choices were't so good. He had people like John Poindexter, Oliver North, and others, to create a shadow government and secretly conduct business with Iran in order to finance a war in Central America against the wishes of Congress. Another stellar example of Republican governance.
Maybe he will luck into greatness? He has been lucky so far.
Giuliani should go back to Italy and let Trump appoint a real American as Secretary of State.
Regarding the vetting of Rudy Giuliani for Secretary of State:
Where was this kind of "vetting" from the NYTimes for someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton, of the Clinton Foundation, when Mr. Obama in an act of reconciliation and commiseration (which I think he now privately regrets) nominated her for Secretary of State and gave her new political life?
[Note, I am NO admirer of Rudolph Giuliani.]
Where was this kind of "vetting" from the NYTimes for someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton, of the Clinton Foundation, when Mr. Obama in an act of reconciliation and commiseration (which I think he now privately regrets) nominated her for Secretary of State and gave her new political life?
[Note, I am NO admirer of Rudolph Giuliani.]
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"Anyone offering sound advice would urge [Trump] to scrap plans to have Mr. Giuliani run the State Department." This totally misses the point.
That is not what voters want, they don't want sound advice, they don't want a State Department run by someone who actually knows what she's doing. Americans voted for change, the kind of change Rude Ghouliani can deliver.
No Mr. Nice Guy, Rude Ghouliani will be the face of the 'Ugly American' proclaiming the worst Trump America has to offer. Loud, spit flecking tirades will set our allies straight; wide-eyed, red-faced bombastic threats will make our foes shutter into submission. Speaking for America, Rude will exert our greatness. Rude will change the State Department just as Trump will change America. And that's what Americans want--change--it doesn't matter how bad so long as it is change.
BTW, when do you think Trump will rename our country? He likes to put his name on everything so I suspect before he leaves office we will be the United Chumps of Trumpland. Oops...a typo...the United Trumps of Trumpland.
That is not what voters want, they don't want sound advice, they don't want a State Department run by someone who actually knows what she's doing. Americans voted for change, the kind of change Rude Ghouliani can deliver.
No Mr. Nice Guy, Rude Ghouliani will be the face of the 'Ugly American' proclaiming the worst Trump America has to offer. Loud, spit flecking tirades will set our allies straight; wide-eyed, red-faced bombastic threats will make our foes shutter into submission. Speaking for America, Rude will exert our greatness. Rude will change the State Department just as Trump will change America. And that's what Americans want--change--it doesn't matter how bad so long as it is change.
BTW, when do you think Trump will rename our country? He likes to put his name on everything so I suspect before he leaves office we will be the United Chumps of Trumpland. Oops...a typo...the United Trumps of Trumpland.
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Dear President elect Trump,
You are missing an opportunity here, surely Wayne La Pierre is a good fit somewhere in the presentation of our society to the world.
When I get my bionic body I'm gonna walk through yer body guard and spank the dickens out of you with a hickory rod. Idiot spoiled brat.
You are missing an opportunity here, surely Wayne La Pierre is a good fit somewhere in the presentation of our society to the world.
When I get my bionic body I'm gonna walk through yer body guard and spank the dickens out of you with a hickory rod. Idiot spoiled brat.
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Breadth, humility, & openmindedness are not Guliani's style. If that is what the agency of the Sec of State's office needs, Trump would be wise to look elsewhere, and find a place for loyalty friends like Guliani that maximizes his strengths!
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Giuliani may be a terrible choice, but Bolton would be far worse.
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Rudy Giuliani hasn't moved on since 9/11, to the point he's made a lucrative living off of 9/11. And the ties that bind have him bound at the hip to clients that can hardly be considered allies who have our good fortune on their radar. Just his involvement in the oil industry, no matter how, that alone should disqualify him from any cabinet post.
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Agree on Giuliani
Not the best face for Americas diplomacy
Not the best face for Americas diplomacy
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During the campaign Trump was rejected by the Republican establishment and this left an opening for the bottom of the barrel to latch on to it. The unthinkable happened and now these opportunistic deplorables like Guiliani are leading our country and the world. We must find a way to limit the damage. I look to our leaders like Sens. Sanders and Warren and President Obama and especially the press (I'm talking to you NY Times) to mitigate this disaster.
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Trump doesn't have an ounce of governing wisdom.
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On the other hand, it may be entertaining if Giuliani can just walk from one hearing room, where will be questioned on his ability to be Secretary of State, to the next hearing room where he will be a witness in the investigation of the FBI’s interference in the recent election.
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And to those people that don't live in New York and criticize the New York Times as being biased in their reporting of Mr Giuliani and Mr Trump. I agree with you. They are. They have covered Mr Giuliani since he was a district attorney through his mayoral stint to date. They have a good idea as to what they are talking about. The same goes for Mr Trump. I might not agree with everything it prints but they have a good idea what they are talking about.
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Obviously, the boss sets the tone.
Please apply if you:
1. Are a sycophant;
2. Have not jailed or insulted anyone in the family (see Jared's father being jailed by Christie);
3. Have no prior experience or acumen; and
4. Have a weak grip on the truth but think whatever you read on the internet is accurate and will stand in front of whomever to testify as to its truth.
Please apply if you:
1. Are a sycophant;
2. Have not jailed or insulted anyone in the family (see Jared's father being jailed by Christie);
3. Have no prior experience or acumen; and
4. Have a weak grip on the truth but think whatever you read on the internet is accurate and will stand in front of whomever to testify as to its truth.
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The sad fact is that Giuliani's character is a mirror image of Trump himself. Selfish, uncaring, unethical, willing only to promote himself, no experience in diplomatic negotiations...
His appointment as Secretary of State will fall in the same disastrous category as the one Trump just did for Stephen Bannon.
His appointment as Secretary of State will fall in the same disastrous category as the one Trump just did for Stephen Bannon.
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To put it in language the president-elect will understand: Giuliani is first and foremost a publicity hog. He will upstage the boss at every opportunity.
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Just please leave "seasoned" Republicans like Cheney, Feith, Rice, Addington, Addington and their neoconservative ilk out of it.
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This is a wonderful and well researched opinions piece. However, I think if the Editorial Board had cut out the "Why" from the title and also all of the body text, the entirety of the American populace would still agree firmly with the article.
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DJT is not interested in 'competence' or job experience in filling key Cabinet posts. His selection criteria emphasizes loyalty above all else. Rudy has proven to be a loyal supporter from day #1. He will get the appointment he richly deserves, Ambassador to the Vatican.
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If the president-to-be wants Giuliani, he shall have Giuliani. End of story.
Of course he is an appalling choice, not least thanks to his complete lack of charisma. And be prepared for many more distasteful and incompetent characters to come. Trump is slowly realising the immense power he has, God help us, and he will do what he feels necessary to keep control, pander to his base, feed his uniquely large ego and damn the consequences.
My own hope is the people of America who support Trump today, will see that he cannot execute the duties of a President and cannot deliver his 'MAGA' dream.
Maybe it will take another war, with its associated horrors, for people to understand they must act to be finally rid of Trump. It's not my wish, in any way. But if Trump and Giuliani can deliver anything, it's a war. They are small enough to make it happen.
Of course he is an appalling choice, not least thanks to his complete lack of charisma. And be prepared for many more distasteful and incompetent characters to come. Trump is slowly realising the immense power he has, God help us, and he will do what he feels necessary to keep control, pander to his base, feed his uniquely large ego and damn the consequences.
My own hope is the people of America who support Trump today, will see that he cannot execute the duties of a President and cannot deliver his 'MAGA' dream.
Maybe it will take another war, with its associated horrors, for people to understand they must act to be finally rid of Trump. It's not my wish, in any way. But if Trump and Giuliani can deliver anything, it's a war. They are small enough to make it happen.
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If the Senate does not want Giuliani, no Giuliani!
If the people who supported Trump yesterday didn't see what an unmitigated disaster he would make as President, there's nor reason to hope (or think) they will see it today.
End of story.
End of story.
Giuliani is a vampire.Hillary Clinton won by 2 million votes. Trump is going to be impeached. It's a disgusting situation.
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Based on NYT election results stats, Clinton is ahead of Trump by 947,584 in popular vote. Mostly due to voting gap in her favor in California and NY. I am really tired of reading and hearing exaggerated numbers around popular vote. If you insist on bringing this up, the least you could do is get your facts straight.
Could Mr. Giuliani be any worse than Mrs. Clinton at State?
Perhaps our practices in diplomacy need to be shaken up and our allies and adversaries need to wake up to a new America.
Perhaps our practices in diplomacy need to be shaken up and our allies and adversaries need to wake up to a new America.
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Most definitely he could and would be worse, far worse...actually the worst of all.
Rudy Giuliani, to use Trump vernacular would be a 'disaster.' He has been behaving like a lunatic the last several months and often has suggested breaking the law, like saying Hillary Clinton should 'put in jail now' without any due process or conviction of any crime. People all around the world know all about him. I would only want him as SOS to further make Trump's presidency look more illegitimate- and I know that would not be in the best interest of the country. Nor would his appointment as SOS.
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Trump is such a prankster.
Not to mention that he is a money grubbing lowlife!
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You have zero credibility. Stick to sports, entertainment and factual news but no biased opinions.
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Giuliani is not the right choice for the job. Therefore he will be selected by Trump.
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That makes perfect sense.... neither are right for the job.
At least if he doesn't do well (though who knows what Trump's standards are) we know Trump would have no qualms about firing him since he appears ready to turn his back on anybody.
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A man who celebrated his supposed links to leaky FBI agents isn't fit to round up stray dogs. But he might lend his motile visage to a remake of those masks of joy and sorrow used by theatres. His grimaces are one source of amusement chaz nous.
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Given his work for foreign governments and interests, how can we know if they will "hire" Rudy's consulting company to get favored treatment?
Is Rudy poised to become the most corrupted, crooked Secretary of State ever?
Is Rudy poised to become the most corrupted, crooked Secretary of State ever?
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The so called "rust belt" in America is aptly named--not because of its economic implications, but rather because the political intellect and instinct of its people have become just as encrusted with rust as much as its decaying factories. They have seemingly joined the ranks of Know Nothing idiots in the country who seek easy, comforting answers that do not require them to change their outdated cultural and economic believe systems which more than any other factor is why they are in distress. They sit back in their small dying towns waiting for a Messiah to deliver prosperity to them without ever having to make one move of any kind to help themselves. They believe electiong this overgrown, pampered bully will save them when in fact he will only make things even worse for them and they will deserve exactly what they will get. Stupidity has its price.
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Well said. The "Obama hates coal miners" crowd just doesn't understand market forces. Cheap natural gas is why coal is not in demand; cheaper labor in the south is why automakers have built plants there. That is the reality. One can either retrain for the new economy, or move to where the jobs are. Some choose to wait and complain.
He beat the mafia and had the prescience to back a winner early on. I would say these attributes qualify him to be Secretary of State. The NYT, however, persists in the same myopia that caused it to endorse a loser and to compromise its journalistic values by creating a false narrative for her. Unfortunately this same editorial mendacity continues after the election.
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You obviously have no clue what the position of sec of state entails. How does "beating the mafia" and backing drumpf translate into foreign policy experience? You are part of the reason we're in this huge mess. Next four years can't pass quickly enough
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You would say beating the mafia and correctly predicting a racist, misogynistic, homophobe to win an election qualifies one to be Sec. of State. That is what you would say. SMH
Interesting, in your world being tough on crime and backing someone unqualified to be president while foaming at the mouth qualifies him to be Secretary of State. I suspect you're typical of Trump voters who haven't the vaguest idea of what qualifications mean.
We're all screwed with the mentally challenged and ADD addled Groper in Chief as President. He's just in it for the attention and increasing his net worth. And also, paying off his Russian oligarch masters. Couldn't care less about the country or the planet.
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Interesting piece - can someone please check the archives and find the same piece the Editorial Board ran when President Obama was elected? An inexperienced President elect with a potential Sec State with conflicts of interest from paid speeches - I'm sorry who are we talking about. I've always scanned the Times as I was raised to believe it was the benchmark of journalism but the last 6 months coupled with the paper's own admission have changed that view.
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If you have sufficient time to post this comment than you likely have enough time to actually read up on the issues past and present. if you do so and have the ability to comprehend content, you will most likely have a different viewpoint thereafter.
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Hmmm, as well as having been in the Senate, Obama had been a constitutional lawyer - someone who clearly understood how our government works. Trump - not so much. Also, neither Obama nor Mrs. Clinton were ignorant, bigoted or unhinged. So there's that.
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False equivalency, party of one, you're table's ready. Although President Obama was less experienced than his 2008 opponent Senator John McCain, Obama had served as in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois state legislature prior to entering the presidency. President-elect Trump, by comparison, has absolutely no history of public service at any level of government -- not even as a city councilman! And when Hillary Clinton was nominated to be Secretary of State, she was in her second term as a U.S. Senator, and had been actively engaged in the foreign policy field when she was First Lady under President Bill Clinton. In contrast, Rudy Guiliani has no substantive experience in foreign policy, since his prior governmental positions were very limited (regional prosecutor when he worked as an AUSA, and mayor of New York City). Moreover, while Hillary Clinton faced at least somewhat legitimate criticism over getting paid six-figure sums to give corporate speeches, the editorial points out that Guiliani earned millions working for foreign governments and businesses, which raises potential conflicts of interests with the inherent duties of the State Department. That's not exactly an apt comparison.
The false equivalency you tried to draw here is beneath all of our intellects.
The false equivalency you tried to draw here is beneath all of our intellects.
Having limited or no international experience as Secretary of State? Expensive.
Defending a terrorist, cult-like Iranian exile group? Priceless.
Defending a terrorist, cult-like Iranian exile group? Priceless.
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This editorial about Rudy Giuliani’s unsuitability to become Secretary of State is obviously correct. The question which immediately comes to mind, however, is equally obvious. What cabinet position is Giuliani -- by reason of experience, temperament and absence of conflicts -- suited to hold?
The chief Trump attack dog expects to be rewarded. The problem is that Rudy Giuliani has always been a very flawed man, but in recent years his intellect seems to have eroded badly.
The chief Trump attack dog expects to be rewarded. The problem is that Rudy Giuliani has always been a very flawed man, but in recent years his intellect seems to have eroded badly.
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This past election shows just how much The Editorial Board influences opinion. This page and $2.25 will get you a cup of coffee. Not to suggest their wisdom isn't pleasing to read, but I'm part of the choir.
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But to Donald Trump, Mr. Giulliani is the perfect choice for a cabinet choice. Giulliani follows the three rules of Trump sycophant realpolitik: what is kiss, whose to kiss, and when it kiss it.
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Where was this kind of "vetting" from NYTimes for someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton, of the Clinton Foundation, when Mr. Obama in an act of reconciliation and commiseration (which I think he now privately regrets) nominated her for Secretary of State and gave her new political life?
[Note, I am NO admirer of Rudolph Giuliani.]
[Note, I am NO admirer of Rudolph Giuliani.]
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Anyone watching his performance covering up Trump's embarrassing performance knows this is true.
The man is an embarrassment.
The man is an embarrassment.
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Most New Yorkers knew this to be true before he even got that far...
Of course he shouldn't be Sec of State but if the red baseball hat, lock her up tshirt crowd wants him then get used to Secretary Rudy.
The NY Times has not exactly shown good judgement on foreign affairs recently. Also it was biased in its pro Hillary reporting. Perhaps the Times should lay low for a while and try to regain its credibility.
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Biased in pro-Hillary reporting, you mean telling the truth about Trump? It was the paper's duty to disclose Trump's attitudes, behaviors and weaknesses. That so many choice to ignore all his negatives - which far exceeded hers as the popular vote attests - and crown him the second coming will have grave consequences for all of us.
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Amazing the NYT EB still thinks it has any say whatsoever in all this. I suppose you have to keep your head up and carry on but if you had listened to, rather than demonized, those who felt voiceless and disenfranchised; actual Democratic voters, who switched to Trump in all the right places, we would not be here now.
Elections have consequences and NYT needs to face its role in perpetrating the current situation and realize that you are in the kiddie corner for now. Thanks for that by the way.
Elections have consequences and NYT needs to face its role in perpetrating the current situation and realize that you are in the kiddie corner for now. Thanks for that by the way.
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Trump is getting his pick from the Pantheon of Deplorables because on one with one inch of intelligence would associate himself or herself with a ship that is surely to sink and make the Titanic disaster look like a child's play.
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Trump should just continue selecting the worst of the worst....just go for it; Bannon, Carson, Palin, Giuliani. Maybe he can even get Nicolas Maduro in there after he's booted from Venezuela to really shake things up. I have no confidence that Trump is going to be able to form a cohesive and workable government. The battle of the maniacal egos has begun.
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The experience is less important than the fact that Guiliani is not diplomatic in any of his dealings, is not a diplomatic or tactful personality.
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Rudy Giuliani does not have what it takes to be Sec of State.
This is not about Trump, or what Trump wants done. It is about Giuliani, who is not capable of doing that job.
Don't turn this into another attack on Trump. There is a lot more to be said than just "we wanted Hillary."
This is not about Trump, or what Trump wants done. It is about Giuliani, who is not capable of doing that job.
Don't turn this into another attack on Trump. There is a lot more to be said than just "we wanted Hillary."
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Wrong. The fish rots from the head down.
Now there's another headline I never thought I'd see. Is Giuliani so eager to get even with Hillary Clinton that he now wishes to get appointed to her old job?
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This is the most amazing editorial I have ever read. You could substitute Clinton's name and wind back the clock and print it before the primaries ended and Mr. Sanders lost.
We know he's a wacko, but what about those family members, business associates and voters who have enabled him all these years?
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Since we are mirroring Brexit, Rudy Guiliani becomes our Boris Johnson. Trump doesn't want a diplomat to to head the State Dept. but a vindictive bully to represent our new America First foreign policy. It's as if you haven't been paying attention to the campaign.
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The fact that he's grossly unqualified makes Rudi's the perfect addition to Trumps sordid group of yes men. Plus being a bigot and a racist helps too!
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Giuliani said: "He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.” Listen if the way Rudy was brought up allows him to date another woman while still being married to his then current wife, then I don't want any part of the way Rudy was raised. This guy has become unhinged lately, mentioning that Trump had some tricks up his sleeves 2 days before Comey announced his first letter. Rudy would be a total disaster for America. Wake up Donald. Stop tweeting at 4AM and start doing your job of actually vetting these candidates. Extreme vetting would work in Rudy's case if it included water boarding.
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A man who has made his living from the misery of 9/11, who has NO foreign policy experience, has made some of the most outrageous statements in the last year (and been called out as a liar,) and is basically an idiot should not have a top level job in our government. Further evidence of the low level of judgement we can expect from Don the Con Trump.
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Trump talked of "draining the swamp" and yet it appears he is just recycling old white male politicians into his administration. I wonder what his followers are thinking now....on the other hand, I already know that answer. They don't care. All they wanted was to keep Clinton out and let Trump do what he wants as their champion. Welcome to reality.
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He has had three wives and no accomplishments while in office, but appeared on Fox News two days before the Comey announcement telling the Fox reporter that something really big that will change the campaign and let Donald win was coming in the next few days. Then he threw his head back and laughed aloud.
It must still be on YouTube somewhere.
Many of us think he was the one who egged on the FBI (through the crazy right-wing agents who work there) to release the faux statement on the emails. In any case the man is crazy and corrupt.
The USA is falling into international shambles.
It must still be on YouTube somewhere.
Many of us think he was the one who egged on the FBI (through the crazy right-wing agents who work there) to release the faux statement on the emails. In any case the man is crazy and corrupt.
The USA is falling into international shambles.
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Please don't forget Giuliani's use of staff and police to escort him to secret trysts with his lover, all while he was Mayor of New York City. This man is incredibly dishonest to his then wife as well as the public.
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There are a lot more misdeeds than that....but this is a good start.
Why just Giuliani? Trump has selected exactly those people for the positions, which the rest of the world thinks would be catastrophic for that job.
Rudy Giuliani, a crazy, unhinged racist - Secretary of the State
Myron Ebell, a climate change denier - EPA
Steve Bannon (Trump's Trump) - Chief Strategist
And the list goes on…
These are the people, you don't want to be doing exactly that thing, but anything else. It feels like we're watching a slow moving train wreck, and cannot do anything about it. My atheist mind can only think of this, God bless America!
Rudy Giuliani, a crazy, unhinged racist - Secretary of the State
Myron Ebell, a climate change denier - EPA
Steve Bannon (Trump's Trump) - Chief Strategist
And the list goes on…
These are the people, you don't want to be doing exactly that thing, but anything else. It feels like we're watching a slow moving train wreck, and cannot do anything about it. My atheist mind can only think of this, God bless America!
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God help America.
The fact that the Times is against him is probably the best reason why he should be Sec State.
He was the best mayor at the worst time in NY history so he does have a core competency.
Not a single other potential pick of Trumps has even that.
Not a single other potential pick of Trumps has even that.
Trump said he wanted to drain the swamp. Instead he is busy filling DC with the vilest of swamp creatures from years ago.
People who are brutal, corrupt and uneducated.
Can't the Trump voters see this? Where is the change,?
The one big change is that this once great country will become a rogue nation like north Korea.
Trump: make Amerika hate again. Good lord can it get any worse!?
People who are brutal, corrupt and uneducated.
Can't the Trump voters see this? Where is the change,?
The one big change is that this once great country will become a rogue nation like north Korea.
Trump: make Amerika hate again. Good lord can it get any worse!?
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The Times editorial board is correct, Rudy Giuliani is not qualified to be Secretary of State. But then again neither was Donald Trump quaified to be president yet he was elected.
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Rudy recently said Russia had grown stronger because Obama didn't hold the threat of war over them. Doesn't he realize that war with Russia can only be won by New Zealand??? Obama sanctioned and used diplomacy, tools of cautious and reflective leader. Rudy and Trumpolini will threaten the very existence of humanity.
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You put this country in the hands of an amoral reality showman and what you end-up getting is a government completely peopled by smaller versions of himself, which is to say people whose primary, and perhaps only interest, is self-interest.
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I am truly afraid for our country. What happens when he faces his first real challenge?
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That's why we plan to leave here. Already my husband's brother has offered us a place to live. EU, here we come!
Yeah, you'll be safe there especially as American troops withdraw. Geeez....
If this a joke? Rudy Giuliani has never made a good decision in his professional life.
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For Giuliani to think he's qualified to be Secretary of State shows only that he suffers from delusions of grandeur.
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Considering the length of text permitted in the comment section i believe it will
easier if we start with why Rudy Giuliani should be Secretary of State.
easier if we start with why Rudy Giuliani should be Secretary of State.
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In other words, the perfect candidate for the job in Mr. Trump's warped worldview, then.
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Nobody described Rudy better than Vice-president Joe Biden. He said, "Rudy Giuliani? A noun, a verb, and 9/11." America was supposed to elect him president because he was the New York City mayor when the Twin Towers came down. Nobody benefited more from that tragedy than Mr. Giuliani. He parlayed his presence at that event in millions of dollars in speaking fees and business enterprises. There is no doubt that at this point in time he is totally out of his mind.
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It speaks volumes that not even New York wanted him as Mayor anymore.
Giuliani had worn out his welcome, and was on a downward trajectory when 9/11 occured -- that's when he became "America's Mayor".
And they are welcome to have him.
Giuliani had worn out his welcome, and was on a downward trajectory when 9/11 occured -- that's when he became "America's Mayor".
And they are welcome to have him.
If being loyal to Mr. Trump is the prime qualification for a job in his cabinet then it's a good thing he doesn't have a German Shepherd who, no doubt would be appointed Secretary of Defense.
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There is a good argument to be made that Major Giuliani is more unhinged than his peers in the alt-right camp.
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The EB is kidding, right? Obama appointed Hillary who had no diplomatic credentials. Then Kerry. Really great appointments. The Middle East is a worse disaster than what Obama inherited, Russia is on the prowl, China. Our alliances have somewhat unraveled.
Of course if Trump nominated Cordell Hull or George Marshall to State you guys would say it was a horrible choice.
Of course if Trump nominated Cordell Hull or George Marshall to State you guys would say it was a horrible choice.
Ralphie, here's some of what Kerry was doing as a Senator:
Committee on Foreign Relations (Chairman 2009-2013)
Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry
Here's some of what Clinton was doing during her two terms:
Committee on Armed Services (2003-2009)[2]
Subcommittee on Airland
Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
Subcommittee on Readiness and Management Support
She was also a Commissioner of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
And it's just a teeny bit possible she learned a bit from her husband from when he was President.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Hillary_Cli...
Committee on Foreign Relations (Chairman 2009-2013)
Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry
Here's some of what Clinton was doing during her two terms:
Committee on Armed Services (2003-2009)[2]
Subcommittee on Airland
Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
Subcommittee on Readiness and Management Support
She was also a Commissioner of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
And it's just a teeny bit possible she learned a bit from her husband from when he was President.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Hillary_Cli...
With Giuliani or Bolton, now it will be the U.S. banging a shoe on the table during negotiations (a la Nikita Khrushchev).
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I supported Trump, but I don't support Giuliani for SoS. I think he would be a terrible choice. He might be a good AG, but I think he would be a horrible SoS. I don't even know why he would want the position.
To be honest, I'm having trouble thinking of a good SoS. Not John Bolton. I think Newt Gingrich would do a good job. The other name that has been popping into my mind is Mitt Romney, if he and Trump could bury the hatchet on their differences. I think Romney could make an excellent SoS!
To be honest, I'm having trouble thinking of a good SoS. Not John Bolton. I think Newt Gingrich would do a good job. The other name that has been popping into my mind is Mitt Romney, if he and Trump could bury the hatchet on their differences. I think Romney could make an excellent SoS!
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You supported Trump, and you think Romney would work for Donald?
Wow, you must've slept through Civics class
Wow, you must've slept through Civics class
Perhaps a more appropriate appointment would be lifetime tenure as an inmate at Riker's Island.
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Next to Hillary and Bill?
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I am agnostic on locating Emergency Management at the WTC. What I am not agnostic about is the catastrophic failure to order the immediate urgent evacuation of the South Tower (result x750 what happened at Benghazi). Perhaps, he was partisan distracted at this moment of extreme emergency. As he related at the 2004 Republican Convention: "I grabbed the arm of then-Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, and I said to him, "Bernie, thank God George Bush is our president." Kerik, btw, is the convicted felon who Guiliani recommended for Homeland Security Chief!
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Don't you just love it? Giuliani and Trump spent months blasting Clinton for a handful of paid speeches. Elsewhere in the NYT today you can read that in 2006 alone Giuliani made 170+ paid speeches garnering 11.4 million for his efforts. The speeches were made to a number of bad actors, including some on the Terrorist Watch List. After being well-paid, Rudy successfully lobbied the removal of a group from that list. He has made huge money in the Muslim world he is so critical of.
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And let's hope the democrats bring all of that up during Rudy's senate confirmation hearings. As I've posted in response to other articles and op-ed pieces -- one of the democrats' primary goals should be to make sure that Trump and Republicans OWN everything they do for the next four years. They have managed to blame everything on Obama for the last 8 years, notwithstanding their role in obstructing everything he tried to do. The efficiency of their propaganda machine would make Goebbels green with envy. It's time to give credit where it's due.
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Absolutely. I'm guessing we will be doing our small part.
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This is the result of some strange phenomenon of Hillary's speeches exposed, but not a peep about Giuliani's, a true hypocritical, evil man. The wisdom of the American people - and the press - should be examined.
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Amen. America's mayor my foot. I was in New York while he was mayor. I was in New York on 9/11 and its aftermath.
His "policy misadventures" regarding 9/11 go well beyond mislocating the command center. For instance, ask the 9/11 first responders what they think now of his casual concern for their health and safety, the inadequate protective gear and his obstructing follow-up health care and compensation. Ask them what they think of his decision to rush the clean-up, forcing many victims' remains, including those of many first responders, to be recovered from the Fresh Kills garbage dump for burial.
But why is the Times reporting his potential conflicts of interest only now? Notice that links to them all lead to news sources other than the Times.
His "policy misadventures" regarding 9/11 go well beyond mislocating the command center. For instance, ask the 9/11 first responders what they think now of his casual concern for their health and safety, the inadequate protective gear and his obstructing follow-up health care and compensation. Ask them what they think of his decision to rush the clean-up, forcing many victims' remains, including those of many first responders, to be recovered from the Fresh Kills garbage dump for burial.
But why is the Times reporting his potential conflicts of interest only now? Notice that links to them all lead to news sources other than the Times.
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Let's just simplify things and say he's a terrible person who should not be in any public position.
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The mainstream media has made much in the last several days about the Democrats having a shallow bench. In light of Trump interviewing Giuliani & Bolton for high foreign policy posts I would simply retort: compared to what?
Fasten your lap belts people. It gets bumpy from here.
Fasten your lap belts people. It gets bumpy from here.
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As Hillary Clinton warmly welcomed Mutassim Gadhafi, the Libyan dictator’s son and Libya's National Security Adviser, at the State Department in 2009 she said “We deeply value the relationship between the United States and Libya.” That is called diplomacy. When NYT digs up, from back 1982, Giuliani cozying up to Haiti's President it is "preposterous" and a "misadventure". Or could that also be qualified as diplomacy? As I may quote about the meaning of diplomacy it is the "employment of tact to gain strategic advantage or to find mutually acceptable solutions to a common challenge, one set of tools being the phrasing of statements in a non-confrontational, or polite manner". Would Giuliani's handling of Haiti's dictator make him qualified?
There is no precedent for Mr. Giuliani messing up the job of Secretary of State (yet). And quoting internal political barbs like "He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me" is too thin and not worthy of the NYT editorial board. It looks too much like tutelage when good visible reasons are absent.
Giuliani may not be the most qualified person for the job. But the NYT lost its qualification to make a judgment call during the elections. Crying wolf again, and nobody will listen.
The NYT told the public not to vote for Trump. That did not work. What makes NYT think that now telling Trump not to make Giuliani Secretary of State will have an effect?
There is no precedent for Mr. Giuliani messing up the job of Secretary of State (yet). And quoting internal political barbs like "He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me" is too thin and not worthy of the NYT editorial board. It looks too much like tutelage when good visible reasons are absent.
Giuliani may not be the most qualified person for the job. But the NYT lost its qualification to make a judgment call during the elections. Crying wolf again, and nobody will listen.
The NYT told the public not to vote for Trump. That did not work. What makes NYT think that now telling Trump not to make Giuliani Secretary of State will have an effect?
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Trump is not draining the swamp. He's adding to it. A pathetic prologue for the next four years.
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I see, so this is how it's going to be with the NYT in their coverage of the Trump administration. This paper is now officially on a level with the national Enquirer. How sad.
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As a prosecuter he favored one crime family over the other allowing that family to take over the city. His police commissioner was a member of organized crime. The New Yorker magazine stopped short of outing him and his best freind which doesn't sit well with many of his supporters.
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Giuliani ain't tactful. One reason he should definitely not be Secretary of State.
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This editorial needs to be read together with the NYT' "Giulians's Business Ties Viewed as Red Flag For Job at State" article.
In the pre-Trump world, the column's first few paragraphs offer enough material to see why Giuliani's candidacy for the Secretary of State should be a non-starter. But the cold reality kicks in, and reminds us that Trump's biography (as well as that of Steve Bannon), and campaign statements should had been non-starters, but it is he who will reside in the White House.
What seemed surreal a year ago is frighteningly real now. And I am scared, very scared.
In the pre-Trump world, the column's first few paragraphs offer enough material to see why Giuliani's candidacy for the Secretary of State should be a non-starter. But the cold reality kicks in, and reminds us that Trump's biography (as well as that of Steve Bannon), and campaign statements should had been non-starters, but it is he who will reside in the White House.
What seemed surreal a year ago is frighteningly real now. And I am scared, very scared.
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The people who voted for Trump want to blow things up so Giuliani is the perfect choice for them.
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Rudy Giuliani should be secretary.
Just make sure he has requisite typing, dictation, phone and filing skills. And that he knows how to make coffee, and how his boss like his or her coffee.
Just make sure he has requisite typing, dictation, phone and filing skills. And that he knows how to make coffee, and how his boss like his or her coffee.
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One more day. I wake up to "the nightmare".
Thank you, NY Times. You've been there during good times and bad. Your steadiness counters my unsteadiness.
Are we living a nightmare? Or an absurdist play? Or is it science fiction? Will it all be turned into a Broadway show, something like Fiddler on the Roof where we all flee in the end?
While you, dear Times Editorial Board, keep your eye on the ball, we, an aged couple, are now contemplating flight. Back to my husband's native land. Where is brother has offered us a place to stay. I now understand what it is for old people to suddenly decide to leave pretty much everything. And become refugees.
Please, Times, keep in mind how all this upheaval affects the elderly. How scary it is when Ryan blithely plans to disrupt Medicare and Social Security, how crazy it is - in old age - to face such upheaval and uncertainty.
Guiiani. Pffff! Trump. Pfffft Bannon & Trump children. Pffft!
I urge the only ones standing between America and catastrophe - the Electoral College - to act as the Founders intended them to do. Give us our Republic back! Under competent leadership.
Meanwhile, we are making plans to cross the Atlantic. And live in Exile.
Thank you, NY Times. You've been there during good times and bad. Your steadiness counters my unsteadiness.
Are we living a nightmare? Or an absurdist play? Or is it science fiction? Will it all be turned into a Broadway show, something like Fiddler on the Roof where we all flee in the end?
While you, dear Times Editorial Board, keep your eye on the ball, we, an aged couple, are now contemplating flight. Back to my husband's native land. Where is brother has offered us a place to stay. I now understand what it is for old people to suddenly decide to leave pretty much everything. And become refugees.
Please, Times, keep in mind how all this upheaval affects the elderly. How scary it is when Ryan blithely plans to disrupt Medicare and Social Security, how crazy it is - in old age - to face such upheaval and uncertainty.
Guiiani. Pffff! Trump. Pfffft Bannon & Trump children. Pffft!
I urge the only ones standing between America and catastrophe - the Electoral College - to act as the Founders intended them to do. Give us our Republic back! Under competent leadership.
Meanwhile, we are making plans to cross the Atlantic. And live in Exile.
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I, too, have been thinking about leaving the US as a result of Trump's victory. I wish it were a bad dream that I could rewrite.
My problem is that I can't decide where to go. The best places have less than good weather--too much cold. The places that have good weather have governments that are questionable.
Of course, the Democrat senators could put a hold on Giuliani's confirmation. We can't do much about Trump except somehow manage to charge him with a crime even if it is not quite a crime as Republicans did to Bill Clinton.
My problem is that I can't decide where to go. The best places have less than good weather--too much cold. The places that have good weather have governments that are questionable.
Of course, the Democrat senators could put a hold on Giuliani's confirmation. We can't do much about Trump except somehow manage to charge him with a crime even if it is not quite a crime as Republicans did to Bill Clinton.
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Me too. And even though there are plenty of problems going on across the 'pond', nothing can match the nightmares that awaits this nation.
Trump is not my president. He deserves Giuliani.....but America doesn't.
Trump is not my president. He deserves Giuliani.....but America doesn't.
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JW. When you flee, as a refugee, suddenly weather is the least of your concerns. I hate heat. But Malaga beckons.
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It seems that the Trump administration will include a bunch of immoral corrupt bullies, Trump himself, Chris Christie, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, Stephen Bannon. The Democrats and moderate Republican should stand against these appointments.
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This is surreal. I can't even believe there has to be an editorial on why Rudy Giuliani shouldn't be Secretary of State.
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For once I happen to fully agree with this Editorial. I think that Giuliani would be idea as an Attorney General, or in charge of homeland security. We have had to many mismatched appointments in the past, that were based on cronyism, and this is not the time to do that again.
I really cannot believe that such a mismatch would be allowed to occur. Trump and his advisers have to realize that he would be terrible in the job, in a world on fire, with the USA in retreat, and Russia rising due to the inept policies of Obama and Clinton.
Let's hope that reason prevails.
I really cannot believe that such a mismatch would be allowed to occur. Trump and his advisers have to realize that he would be terrible in the job, in a world on fire, with the USA in retreat, and Russia rising due to the inept policies of Obama and Clinton.
Let's hope that reason prevails.
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All reason was lost when Trump was declared president-elect.
It won't re-surface with the appointment of Rudy Giuliani in ANY position.
But then again, that's something most New Yorkers are already too aware of.
It won't re-surface with the appointment of Rudy Giuliani in ANY position.
But then again, that's something most New Yorkers are already too aware of.
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Half of America, mostly white working class and middle class, deserves Trump and Giuliani and they probably could not care less. The other half of America, of course, is collateral damage.
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Despite all the pre-election talk, Rudy was never interested in being Attorney General where he'd be toiling away in the Department of Justice Building. He wants the crowds and attention. Secretary of State has it all: homage from every country he visits, a planeload of reporters and the attention he enjoyed after 9/11 and has had for months on the Trump campaign trail. Of course he's not qualified but there's a way out. When Ron Brown, who was instrumental in helping Bill Clinton get elected, wanted to be Sec. of State, Clinton knew he wasn't qualified and made him Sec. of Commerce.
Brown immediately reshaped the position and loaded top U.S. executives in planes seeking deals in other countries. He had it all: the attention of the executives, the foreigners wanting American business and the media. Sadly, he and others died in a crash on one of those trips, but Clinton had satisfied a man he described as "making my election possible."
Brown immediately reshaped the position and loaded top U.S. executives in planes seeking deals in other countries. He had it all: the attention of the executives, the foreigners wanting American business and the media. Sadly, he and others died in a crash on one of those trips, but Clinton had satisfied a man he described as "making my election possible."
The Times has gone beyond the pale. As if, while sitting in a movie theater and seeing an explosion on screen and yelling "fire".
For years after President Obama was elected every policy initiative, whether related to the financial crisis he faced coming into office or not, that was not successful, the fail safe response was blame Bush.
The entire nation is still shellshocked about Trump's victory. Bastardizing through prognostication is merely yelling "fire" in the theater at the explosion on the screen.
For years after President Obama was elected every policy initiative, whether related to the financial crisis he faced coming into office or not, that was not successful, the fail safe response was blame Bush.
The entire nation is still shellshocked about Trump's victory. Bastardizing through prognostication is merely yelling "fire" in the theater at the explosion on the screen.
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Trump could pick his two oldest sons for Secretary of State. They've had experience traveling to many other countries...and killing their endangered species.
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If anybody is old enough to remember 9-11-2001 they will know that on 9-10-2001 New Yorkers could not get Rudy out of Gracie Mansion fast enough. During Rudy’s tenure as mayor he waged war on The Squeegee Men and what some thought people of color. Sure, he cleaned up Times Square but some would argue Times Square is not Times Square anymore. Have we forgotten that he divided the city like no other mayor in our time? His police force Street Crimes Unit wore tee shirts embolden with “We Own the Night”. When Abner Lumina was brutalized in police stations bathroom in Brooklyn or when Amado Diallo was shot forty times in a hallway in the Bronx he never came across as a diplomat. Rudy’s default position was always the cops were right and the victims had it coming to them. Have we forgotten Rudy fired Police Commissioner Bratton when Bratton got more press than he did? Rudy did what I believe any other mayor would have done on 9-11 but the press anointed him America’s Mayor. Have we forgotten when Rudy and Alfonse D’Amato played undercover operatives in a police van in Harlem in the seventies? Diplomats manage the relationships of entire countries with the world. The world knows Trump owes Rudy big time for the position he will take in January 2017 but does he owe him that much? How does he give the job of the biggest deal maker in the world to someone who is an autocrat? Diplomacy is the art of give and take with Rudy it is either his way or the highway.
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And don't forget that he wanted to close the Brooklyn Museum because of a show he deemed offensive to his religion as he escorted the girlfriend he had just ditched his second wife for around town. He's a vile, despicable human being.
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I implore The Times to publish the final tally of what the city paid out in settlements and lawsuits resulting from claims against the city for police brutality and deaths that occurred during Rudy's administration.
As shameful and brutal as his reign was as Mayor - one can' t imagine the harm to come with him as either A.G. or Sec'y of State.
I would however relish the Democrats getting a chance to question him on his speeches to groups on the terrorist watch list.
As shameful and brutal as his reign was as Mayor - one can' t imagine the harm to come with him as either A.G. or Sec'y of State.
I would however relish the Democrats getting a chance to question him on his speeches to groups on the terrorist watch list.
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Trump and Giuliani are both petty little egomaniacs, so it is no surprise Trump would want him for a post. What will be interesting to me - if the worst does happen - is how all those warring egos will interact with each other.
And thank you NYT for being one of the few US media outlets that is not treating this election and transition as SOP when it clearly is not.
And thank you NYT for being one of the few US media outlets that is not treating this election and transition as SOP when it clearly is not.
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Let's call it the 'Gnat Pack'.
All of the people Mr. Trump is considering for appointments to important posts are like gnats.
Christie, Giuliani, Gingrich.
Like gnats, they pester and annoy incessantly and regardless of what you attempt, in an effort to shoo them away, they simply won't leave.
All of the people Mr. Trump is considering for appointments to important posts are like gnats.
Christie, Giuliani, Gingrich.
Like gnats, they pester and annoy incessantly and regardless of what you attempt, in an effort to shoo them away, they simply won't leave.
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As an american living in Paris for some years now and noting the French chaning views on our beloved USA, the long standing and cherished regard is on a downward spiral. If our electoral college does not do "the right" thing and vote for Hillary Clinton, the United States of America will be the laughing stock with this bafoon Giuliani as our representative to the world.
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Giuliani belongs in prison, more likely back in hell. He is a lying, cheating, hatefilled person whom I do not want in any position of the federal govt.
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Rudy has crossed-over from having any rational thoughts or common sense, to embracing pure ideology completely. And since he follows Trump's line of reasoning--if there is such a thing such a thing--he is truly a follower, and not someone who could appeal to the multitude of State professionals who who would look to Giuliani, expecting leadership.
Rudy, like Donald, is in this thing mainly just to stroke their egos. The particular ideology doesn't really matter, just as long as it serves their purpose. And besides, don't forget that Mayor Giuliani was the genius who placed the nPolice & Fire Command Center for Lower Manhattan atop the WTC--eight years after al-Qaeda had already tried to bomb it.
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Rudy, like Donald, is in this thing mainly just to stroke their egos. The particular ideology doesn't really matter, just as long as it serves their purpose. And besides, don't forget that Mayor Giuliani was the genius who placed the nPolice & Fire Command Center for Lower Manhattan atop the WTC--eight years after al-Qaeda had already tried to bomb it.
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
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The Times is wrong on Giuliani and everything else.
The Times has become a zany tabloid. Read the Times and study its front page. Everything Trump and everything negative. The election is only a week old and the man doesn't even take office for two months. Is there any doubt that the Times is publishing hate, rumors and liberal innuendoes as news? It has become closer to the Onion then to a real newspaper. Before the election it slanted the coverage and mislead its readers. Remember that just before the election it predicted a landslide for Hillary and gave Trump only a 14% chance of winning. They were wrong about everything. Why would anyone thinking adult who was not themselves deranged believe that they are right now?
Giuliani will be fine, certainly no worse then Clinton or Kerry and the nation will be fine. America, by and large no longer reads the Times. That is left to out of touch establishment types and the left wing corporate media. Sad. But clearly the left is incapable of understanding that or of learning anything.
The Times has become a zany tabloid. Read the Times and study its front page. Everything Trump and everything negative. The election is only a week old and the man doesn't even take office for two months. Is there any doubt that the Times is publishing hate, rumors and liberal innuendoes as news? It has become closer to the Onion then to a real newspaper. Before the election it slanted the coverage and mislead its readers. Remember that just before the election it predicted a landslide for Hillary and gave Trump only a 14% chance of winning. They were wrong about everything. Why would anyone thinking adult who was not themselves deranged believe that they are right now?
Giuliani will be fine, certainly no worse then Clinton or Kerry and the nation will be fine. America, by and large no longer reads the Times. That is left to out of touch establishment types and the left wing corporate media. Sad. But clearly the left is incapable of understanding that or of learning anything.
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I wonder if you could elaborate more on how Giuliani will be fine. Based on his experience of course.
Also, why he'd be "no worse" than Kerry, based on concrete evidence as well, given Sec. Kerry's involvement with the UN on climate change.
Also, why he'd be "no worse" than Kerry, based on concrete evidence as well, given Sec. Kerry's involvement with the UN on climate change.
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You must be smoking weed cultivated on Jupiter if you think Rudy Giluliani will be a fine Secretary of State. Trump could not have done any worse than if he had summoned David Duke into his presence to advise him. Giuliani is not simply a hateful, unhinged crackpot. He is exhibiting all of the familiar signs of onset Alzheimer's disease.
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If "America no longer reads the times" ... why are you writing?
Sending a former prosecutor to top diplomatic office. How symbolic!
Hang on. Depends on what you want to get out of your Secretary of State. If you want to contain China and renegotiate trade deals, you might want knuckles. If you want to compel US manufacturing companies to return jobs to the States, do-it-or-else not diplomacy could work.
The income stagnation has lasted just too long that I am willing to experiment with a different approach. Take some risks.
The income stagnation has lasted just too long that I am willing to experiment with a different approach. Take some risks.
With Giuliani and the ilk lining up for these positions we might as well change our name into "The United Grumpy Old Men of America," at least is not a label fraud.
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Nosferatu in search of a new coffin. Repulsive.
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"...which will require deft understanding of Russia's intentions [and] careful management of a complex coalition..."
The problem in the Middle East is not Russia but Saudi Arabia. All the regime change wars the USA has engaged in since the war in Kosovo benefited Saydi Arabia and the spread of radical Sunni Islam in the Middle East (at the expense of moderates Shia) and in Europe.
There is a case to make that Humma Abedin was a Saudi spy planted as the top aid of Clinton for so many years. Her entire family is connected with the Muslim Brotherhood as this article explains.
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO4Nov2016.php
In the Middle East Russia is part of the solution, not the problem, and they are the only partners to seriously block the Islamisation of Europe at its roots. If this won't happen, we'll have a WWIII in Europe in about 20 years. Europe is a Christian, nation state entity that survived two 2000 years and will not swallow globalisation and islamisation once it passes a certain degree.
The problem in the Middle East is not Russia but Saudi Arabia. All the regime change wars the USA has engaged in since the war in Kosovo benefited Saydi Arabia and the spread of radical Sunni Islam in the Middle East (at the expense of moderates Shia) and in Europe.
There is a case to make that Humma Abedin was a Saudi spy planted as the top aid of Clinton for so many years. Her entire family is connected with the Muslim Brotherhood as this article explains.
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO4Nov2016.php
In the Middle East Russia is part of the solution, not the problem, and they are the only partners to seriously block the Islamisation of Europe at its roots. If this won't happen, we'll have a WWIII in Europe in about 20 years. Europe is a Christian, nation state entity that survived two 2000 years and will not swallow globalisation and islamisation once it passes a certain degree.
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I think the article tends to push its agenda in anyways it can. For instance, referring to the biased Iran lobby article in Washington Post by Josh Rogin, that tends to demonize the only viable democratic opposition to the religious dictatorship ruling Iran, in order make a point against Giuliani is unethical.
Calling the legitimate opposition of a nation a cult, while this same, organization has lost over 120000 of its members and supporters, including young children at the age of 11 to elderly people as old as 70 is insane, unfair and out of ignorance to say the least. www.MOISNamecalling.com gives a good over view of where the roots of these namecallings come from and that its the Iranian ministry of intelligence (MOIS) that labels its main opposition as such in order to discredit them.
Apart from this, Regarding Giuliani, he had never received money from MEK, his defense of the Iran’s democratic opposition against the unfair and political labeling by previous administrations, is in fact a clear remark that he is genuinely the best suited person to defend the country against terrorism. Since the best way to fuel terrorism is to actually blacklist those who are not terrorist and vice versa. Therefore, his defense of the MEK indicates that Rudy Giuliani is a person that has a profound knowledge on who the real terrorists are. So does his firm position against Iran’s dictatorship which is the prime state sponsor of terrorism in the world today.
Calling the legitimate opposition of a nation a cult, while this same, organization has lost over 120000 of its members and supporters, including young children at the age of 11 to elderly people as old as 70 is insane, unfair and out of ignorance to say the least. www.MOISNamecalling.com gives a good over view of where the roots of these namecallings come from and that its the Iranian ministry of intelligence (MOIS) that labels its main opposition as such in order to discredit them.
Apart from this, Regarding Giuliani, he had never received money from MEK, his defense of the Iran’s democratic opposition against the unfair and political labeling by previous administrations, is in fact a clear remark that he is genuinely the best suited person to defend the country against terrorism. Since the best way to fuel terrorism is to actually blacklist those who are not terrorist and vice versa. Therefore, his defense of the MEK indicates that Rudy Giuliani is a person that has a profound knowledge on who the real terrorists are. So does his firm position against Iran’s dictatorship which is the prime state sponsor of terrorism in the world today.
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Giuliani, like Trump, Pense and Bannon is too thin skinned to work with anybody who has a different opinion.
In NYC, he attacked "squeegee people" - the poor who would clean the windshields of cars when they would get very messy as they came out of tunnels or off the bridges. They were making a buck and improving vehicular safety, but Giuliani called them terrorists.
Just before the terrorist attacks on 9/11, Giuliani humiliated Muslims internationally by kicking Yasser Arafat out of Avery Fisher Hall during a United Nations sponsored concert. There is no doubt that Giuliani act was the match that exploded the powderkeg.
Humiliation is not an acceptable form of diplomacy. Giuliani will use his nasty gift of humiliating others and spark more wars and conflicts than you can shake a stick at. Trump was elected because people feel humiliated. Nazi Germany coalesced because the Germans had been humiliated by the Treaty of Versailles. It's time we used something other than humiliation as a way of getting ideas across, and that's why Rudy is the worst possible choice.
In NYC, he attacked "squeegee people" - the poor who would clean the windshields of cars when they would get very messy as they came out of tunnels or off the bridges. They were making a buck and improving vehicular safety, but Giuliani called them terrorists.
Just before the terrorist attacks on 9/11, Giuliani humiliated Muslims internationally by kicking Yasser Arafat out of Avery Fisher Hall during a United Nations sponsored concert. There is no doubt that Giuliani act was the match that exploded the powderkeg.
Humiliation is not an acceptable form of diplomacy. Giuliani will use his nasty gift of humiliating others and spark more wars and conflicts than you can shake a stick at. Trump was elected because people feel humiliated. Nazi Germany coalesced because the Germans had been humiliated by the Treaty of Versailles. It's time we used something other than humiliation as a way of getting ideas across, and that's why Rudy is the worst possible choice.
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The basic parameter for Mr. Trump's picks is that he has little choice but to pick people who are willing to be associated with him. It limits the possibilities.
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Well, if Trump supporters were just "so sick and tired" of Washingon insiders running things and not listening to them, here's another whole group of insiders who listen only to one another and the crazy, inbred voices in their head. How long before they're sick and tired of the new insiders. Who could have predicted that an isolated, insulated billionaire who's surrounded himself all his life with yes men (and women) might not have the most stable judgment in matters of foreign policy? Gi figure!
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The hubris and short-term memory of the NYT editorial board is staggering. Were you even living in the City on Sept 11 2001 and the days that followed? My wife and I were and Mayor Giuliani was a Churchillian figure at that pivotal moment in our history. He showed great humanity, compassion and most significantly courage. He told it as it was. He did not embellish. He treated the people of NYC like adults. He told us the truth. My family will always honor him for how he impacted our lives and our City in those darkest of days. Do we agree with every choice he has made since then? No. However, the lack of balance, lack of basic respect shown in this editorial are below what I expect from this newspaper. We celebrated in our home last night at the news that he might be our Secretary of State.
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I am a life-long New Yorker and I remember what life in the City was like before Giuliani. Dinkins was a disaster. If it weren't for Staten Island,which voted overwhelmingly Republican, we would have had Dinkins during 911. He would have been playing tennis. Giuliani was a strong leader who was called at the time"America's Mayor"; The Times, in a rare fit of sanity, actually endorsed him for a 2nd term. But The Times, like the rest of the Democratic Party, has become deeply ideological and doesn't even pretend to be objective anymore. I don't happen to think that Giuliani is well-suited for diplomacy, which is what the Secretary of State does, but to say that he is unqualified must be a comparative statement. Compared to whom? Hillary Clinton, when she took the position, was a junior Senator from New York.
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Sadly, your positive impression of Giuliani's mayoralty is not shared by the overwhelming majority of the people of color who lived in NYC during his reign (and who still live here). That doesn't get erased by his post 9-11 performance, which, as others have noted, was not so amazing (ask the 1st responders who didn't have necessary equipment, or who were stonewalled on benefits afterwards; or ask the victim's families whose concerns on the recovery were brushed aside).
Notwithstanding Giuliani's *less than positive* relationships with folk of color, you omitted many qualities that are of the utmost importance in a Secretary of State. Those include: the ability to be tactful and respectful; to exude dignity at all times; and to diplomatically engage with others, especially those with whom one will likely have many significant differences. Giuliani, rarely, if ever, displayed these abilities or character traits as mayor. Even if you believe he told "the truth," he never spoke to New Yorkers of color with a sense of respect and diplomacy. He often displayed a hot mouth and temper, a highly judgmental attitude, and an intolerance of different views. Remember his picking a fight with an artist who used human waste to depict religious material? Disgraceful.
Even if you substantively agreed with Guiliani on the issues, you'd have to admit that he was far from "diplomatic" as a mayor. Diplomacy is at the heart of the Secretary of State's mission, so how is he qualified?.
Notwithstanding Giuliani's *less than positive* relationships with folk of color, you omitted many qualities that are of the utmost importance in a Secretary of State. Those include: the ability to be tactful and respectful; to exude dignity at all times; and to diplomatically engage with others, especially those with whom one will likely have many significant differences. Giuliani, rarely, if ever, displayed these abilities or character traits as mayor. Even if you believe he told "the truth," he never spoke to New Yorkers of color with a sense of respect and diplomacy. He often displayed a hot mouth and temper, a highly judgmental attitude, and an intolerance of different views. Remember his picking a fight with an artist who used human waste to depict religious material? Disgraceful.
Even if you substantively agreed with Guiliani on the issues, you'd have to admit that he was far from "diplomatic" as a mayor. Diplomacy is at the heart of the Secretary of State's mission, so how is he qualified?.
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And do you similarly honor then Senator Clinton?
I don't know why the NYT is dancing around it: Giuliani, like the man he helped put in office, is a notorious racist and a bully. Diplomacy is possibly his weakest suit, which is why in past years Republicans have continually rejected him as a serious candidate for national office. His appointment to Secretary of State would be like telling a fish to ride a bicycle.
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Jen, with all due respect, you are kind in calling him a "racist" and "bully." He is a dictator at heart, a cancer that Trump allowed into his administration. There is no telling what this rabid, evil man could do.
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One of the ironic lies of the Trump campaign was that he would surround himself with the best people, the brightest minds and toughest negotiators. Well, who do you have? Rudy Giuliani? a man with some kind of Napoleonic complex who hates everybody? This guy couldn't even deal professionally with Yasir Arafat. He seems to be losing his faculties as he snarls his way around the news media. Now it is clear that Trump has no contacts with anyone remotely qualified to handle any cabinet position. Surprise!
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Giuliani or the more odious John Bolton might be the best (worst) that Trump can get. No self respecting diplomat would go to work for this administration.
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Please don't gloss over Giuliani's knowledge and approval of the unworkable radios bought for the FDNY, which directly led to the death of many of the 343 firefighters who died on 9/11. For several years, my firefighter husband told me they were terrible: no direct contact with any control center, only two people at a time could communicate and a very limited range. I'll never understand how Giuliani turned that incompetence into his post 9/11 heroic status.
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We are no longer "One Nation, Under God" because (1) we are no longer "One Nation" and (2) we are no longer "Under God."
A Divided and Godless Nation has elected a Divisive and Godless Leader.
The Light on the Hill has been extinguished.
For the Forces of Darkness which has replaced it, Mr. Giuliani is the perfect Emissary.
Woe be unto this Nation. Woe be unto this World.
A Divided and Godless Nation has elected a Divisive and Godless Leader.
The Light on the Hill has been extinguished.
For the Forces of Darkness which has replaced it, Mr. Giuliani is the perfect Emissary.
Woe be unto this Nation. Woe be unto this World.
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I did receive an apology letter from NYT regretting on their dishonest reporting. I don't think they anything from that. They are still a mainstream tabloid nonsense without any sense of reality. I may agree with NYT on Rudy, but why did not you say the same about Hillary when she ran for president. She had issues with secrecy and email scandals, which lead to FBI inquiries. Her foundation favored nations in the form of "pay for play". There are many allegations against Hillary, yet NYT didn't even raise a finger to point out her negative qualities. However, NYT is poking everything at Trump wishing him ill at every time. I have to say, I was a liberal. Now, I am moving to the otherside. Trump is my president. I had enough of this liberal propaganda and nonsense with lack of contrary opinions. Thanks again for teaching me: NYT is part of propaganda in America.
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Check ya later, Kathy, good luck with that.
As an atheist all I can think to say is god help us all.
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Hillary Clinton broke numerous laws as Secretary of State, was extremely careless (read grossly negligent) in the handling of classified material, allowed ISIS to grow under her nose, pushed for an unconstitutional war in Libya with no plan for the aftermath (according to Obama), encouraged Russian belligerence with her reset of relations, and oversaw the dissolution of Syria, and yet she should have been President according to this paper. Giuliani, on the other hand, has said a few silly things and he should not be Secretary of State. This editorial is its own parody.
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Um, perhaps he shouldn't be Secretary of State because he has absolutely no background or experience? Simple really.
This is just the same vanity candidacy that we saw with our President-Elect. Sad!
This is just the same vanity candidacy that we saw with our President-Elect. Sad!
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I lived in NYC when Dickens was mayor. Rudi was a great Mayor. I watch him now and I think he has all the early signs of dementia including signs of sundown syndrome. He seems affable at times and goes angry on a dime. I sometimes think he is going to fall asleep during interviews.
I suspect Trump won't make him Secretary of State for the same reasons he thought Jeb Bush wasn't qualified to run for President. "Low Energy"
I suspect Trump won't make him Secretary of State for the same reasons he thought Jeb Bush wasn't qualified to run for President. "Low Energy"
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He would't be my first choice either. The editorial does seem unfair though. He was generally considered to have transformed NYC from a crime-ridden city with poor quality of life into the vibrant metropolis it now is. Through his business and travels he is surely conversant with the world's problems. John Kerry was no authority on history. You likely endorsed him for the role and what is his record on the Middle East, North Korea, Russia, Ukraine?
There is a simple reason Giuliani cannot be Secretary of State. The job requires diplomacy, and if there is one characteristic Giuliani does not have, that'd be it.
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"The extent of Mr. Giuliani’s international experience has been largely limited to giving speeches and consulting work. He lacks any substantive diplomatic experience and has demonstrated poor judgment throughout his career."
Didn't stop Hillary. And Rudy doesn't even have a Foundation....
Didn't stop Hillary. And Rudy doesn't even have a Foundation....
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Giuliani said he "won't be attorney general" in a Trump administration at a Washington event sponsored by the Wall Street Journal.
But hey -- think about it a second -- Mr. G. is the guy who made HRC's personal political career possible -- by quitting. And it's man-part problems that did it -- officially it was prostate cancer, but the reality is that it was an adultery too ugly and public even for New York, and a very popular jilted and angry wife that made him quit.
So here he is ... the quitter who made Hillary -- leaving the Republican nomination to Lazio -- perhaps the most feckless Republican loser and general putz in New York history.
Giuliani and Trump -- really big mouths and short tempers and man-part problems -- and video tape of them saying stuff. What a pair.
But hey -- think about it a second -- Mr. G. is the guy who made HRC's personal political career possible -- by quitting. And it's man-part problems that did it -- officially it was prostate cancer, but the reality is that it was an adultery too ugly and public even for New York, and a very popular jilted and angry wife that made him quit.
So here he is ... the quitter who made Hillary -- leaving the Republican nomination to Lazio -- perhaps the most feckless Republican loser and general putz in New York history.
Giuliani and Trump -- really big mouths and short tempers and man-part problems -- and video tape of them saying stuff. What a pair.
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Giuliani did the monumental job of making New York City livable and cleaned up the crime ridden dereliction it had fallen into. I respect his effort as mayor. But, he is sorely lacking in knowledge of world issues, and is too narrow minded to learn. He also suffers from distemper.
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Advantages of Giuliani being Secretary of State.
1] He is not Attorney General, thank god.
2] He is not head of Homeland Security, thank god again.
3] Gingrich is not Secretary of State, thank god again & again.
4] Foreign diplomats, finally tiring of hearing an endless loop of repetitive self-serving accounts of Giuliani’s heroics on 9/11, when, single-handedly, as Super Mayor Rudy, he alone saved New York City [“we call it ‘The Big Apple’”] from an invading army of jihadist Islamic fascist terrorists, will realize that we have sent them a one-dimensional, talking Mobius Strip and band together to solve the world’s problems without us.
5] Putin, after quaking in his boots at such an immensely formidable personage, will die laughing.
6] The appointment of Giuliani will prepare the American people for the appointment of Newt (Darth) Gingrich as Head of Homeland Security and Sarah Palin as Secretary of the Interior [“Interior of What?” will be explained to her].
7] America will not feel so bad that Trump has assumed an office for which he is totally unprepared and unqualified by seeing that his appointees are even less qualified and even more unprepared and he will look better by comparison. The Art of the Deal.
1] He is not Attorney General, thank god.
2] He is not head of Homeland Security, thank god again.
3] Gingrich is not Secretary of State, thank god again & again.
4] Foreign diplomats, finally tiring of hearing an endless loop of repetitive self-serving accounts of Giuliani’s heroics on 9/11, when, single-handedly, as Super Mayor Rudy, he alone saved New York City [“we call it ‘The Big Apple’”] from an invading army of jihadist Islamic fascist terrorists, will realize that we have sent them a one-dimensional, talking Mobius Strip and band together to solve the world’s problems without us.
5] Putin, after quaking in his boots at such an immensely formidable personage, will die laughing.
6] The appointment of Giuliani will prepare the American people for the appointment of Newt (Darth) Gingrich as Head of Homeland Security and Sarah Palin as Secretary of the Interior [“Interior of What?” will be explained to her].
7] America will not feel so bad that Trump has assumed an office for which he is totally unprepared and unqualified by seeing that his appointees are even less qualified and even more unprepared and he will look better by comparison. The Art of the Deal.
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The Mongols who conquered half the world on horseback found that it easier to subdue the land than to rule it.
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Somewhat agnostic how stupid it was locating Emergency Management at the WTC. What I am not agnostic about is the catastrophic failure to order the immediate urgent evacuation of the South Tower (result x100s what happened at Benghazi). Perhaps, he was partisan distracted at this moment of extreme emergency. As he related at the 2004 Republican Convention: "I grabbed the arm of then-Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, and I said to him, "Bernie, thank God George Bush is our president." Kerik, btw, is the convicted felon who Guiliani recommended for Homeland Security Chief! At least, Rudy only grabbed Bernie’s arm.
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When Donna Hanover left Giuliani, he lost his footing and never found it again.
I cannot fathom him as Secretary of State.
But, then again, since last Wednesday I wake up every day and try to say one sentence out loud."Donald Trump is President of the United States."
Just can't seem to get the to the end without cracking up. We are living in an alternate universe. God Bless America. God Bless us, everyone.
I cannot fathom him as Secretary of State.
But, then again, since last Wednesday I wake up every day and try to say one sentence out loud."Donald Trump is President of the United States."
Just can't seem to get the to the end without cracking up. We are living in an alternate universe. God Bless America. God Bless us, everyone.
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Some people are just politicians and others are public servants and statesmen. Out of cynicism and laziness, news sources now use the term politicians to refer to most of them. Former Mayer Giuliani is merely a politician that had been better as the US Attorney for the southern district of New York. He was a law and order mayor of NY and was thrust in to prominence because timing. When the country needed a strong visual presence of a leader during and immediately after 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, he provided it. He was flawed in his personal life, lacking grace and sensitivity. He never grew from his 9/11 experience and his attempt to climb out of the rubble in to a Presidential bid, repeating the "September 11" mantra at every opportunity, never worked for him.
I believe he hasn't gotten over the trauma of what he went through in personal life. Using his 9/11 era connections, he seemed to have found a way to destroy the chances of Hillary Clinton to become the first Woman President of USA. He giggled and disclosed there was something they had "up the sleeve" before the FBI Director's first pre-election letter to the Congress. Thus, Mr Giuliani found his relevance and his unswerving support and loyalty to Mr Trump are putting him in contention for an important position in the new administration.
The two men have these things in common: flawed character, dislike of women, total lack of experience for the job they are in for coupled with over-confidence.
I believe he hasn't gotten over the trauma of what he went through in personal life. Using his 9/11 era connections, he seemed to have found a way to destroy the chances of Hillary Clinton to become the first Woman President of USA. He giggled and disclosed there was something they had "up the sleeve" before the FBI Director's first pre-election letter to the Congress. Thus, Mr Giuliani found his relevance and his unswerving support and loyalty to Mr Trump are putting him in contention for an important position in the new administration.
The two men have these things in common: flawed character, dislike of women, total lack of experience for the job they are in for coupled with over-confidence.
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Why is NYT editorial board taking the pain of offering unsolicited advice, again? I heard you say you'll get back into reporting, instead of forecasting and pontificating on how the political landscape should be. For what it is worth, we are in a democratic form of government, which means majority of the people speak and you get to report. As media you get to open your mouth everyday, but very few moments when the public gets to collectively speak out, like when they do it through the ballot. Sometimes it helps to hold opinions and listen to the majority. More than half the country has chosen Trump to be the president, and of course the other half is disappointed. Similar to how half the country was disappointed when Obama or Clinton were presidents. But NYT, in democracy the disappointed half is given the privilege of improving the listening skills.
I will agree that Trump won the presidential election fairly and legally according to our laws and that he is our president. But it's incorrect to say that the majority of people chose him since he lost the popular vote by a non-trivial margin. This is an editorial - where papers are expected to voice opinions that you may agree or disagree with. I think loyal opposition is still a valid option in a democracy.
All papers offer editorials, as has the NYT since the dawn of its creation. Only in the time of Trump would people be insisting that papers stop printing editorials.
My advice to you: switch to Fox, switch to Brietbart, then you'll hear the editorializing you want to hear.
My advice to you: switch to Fox, switch to Brietbart, then you'll hear the editorializing you want to hear.
It's odd that the public has forgotten what a poor mayor Mr. Giuliani really was and his bizarre marital conflicts. He and the Mr. Trump seem to share aa high degree of insensitivity and poor judgment. We are stuck with trump, but we need not have them both.
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I'd be surprised if Giuliani or Bolton are nominated (or pass confirmation). The leaks about their being under consideration are orchestrated by their individual patrons or leaked by Trump as disasters that will make the next, "real" nominee eminently more palatable.
I think Giuliani is a charlatan. I'm not sure whether he's a more authentic fraud or Christie has that mantle. In any case, the same jaundiced prism that The Times is scrutinizing his record could have been applied to the appointment of HRC with similar results. That's not critique of Clinton. There are career diplomats that will manage day-to-day operations of State. Even if Giuliani were appointed (assuming he substantively divests himself of conflicts or appearances of conflicts), I think he'd have the sense to comport himself with more dignity. We all grow.
I think Giuliani is a charlatan. I'm not sure whether he's a more authentic fraud or Christie has that mantle. In any case, the same jaundiced prism that The Times is scrutinizing his record could have been applied to the appointment of HRC with similar results. That's not critique of Clinton. There are career diplomats that will manage day-to-day operations of State. Even if Giuliani were appointed (assuming he substantively divests himself of conflicts or appearances of conflicts), I think he'd have the sense to comport himself with more dignity. We all grow.
Ted Cruz for Attorney General. He'll spend all his time pursuing women who seek abortions, allowing red states to discriminate against LGBT, ignoring cops who murder unarmed black people, and finding ways to fit his evangelical Christian nonsense into every possible corner and hole.
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There is a potential upside to all the negative scenarios named here. Less American intervention could improve the situation in Syria and North Korea, though that runs the risk of the unknown. For much of the rest of the world a less engaged United States need not necessarily be a bad thing, given how too much engagement often brought about much evil in the first place. That said, I still think the Obama Administration brought more wisdom and much more goodwill to the world at large than the George W. Bush one did. And based on what we are seeing I very much doubt that Trump, and whoever he appoints to be Secretary of State, National Security Adviser and Defense Secretary, will be able to top the preceding government.
A loud, grotesquely bumptious hater, contemptuous of the Other. President, Secretary of State. Tomayto, tomahto.
There is no floor.
There is no floor.
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Remember when George W. Bush cleared out all those seasoned civil servants and replaced them with unqualified people who'd graduated from "Christian colleges" who had no idea what they were doing, setting the federal government back a decade?
None of that for Trump, who's appointing clueless inexperienced and possibly crazy people to his White House staff and cabinet!
Start at the very top!!!
None of that for Trump, who's appointing clueless inexperienced and possibly crazy people to his White House staff and cabinet!
Start at the very top!!!
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Amateur Hour in the most powerful, important house in the world.
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Count among the ever-unfurling list of Trump's lies -- that he would bring in the 'best people.'
America is becoming Trump University, staffed by the worst, not the 'best.'
America is becoming Trump University, staffed by the worst, not the 'best.'
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Well I guess as long as Rudy doesn't set up a private email server, he is all right.
90% of Trump criticism comes from the Time Machine, way back in the 70's - 90's. Same with Rudy. Do you really have a problem with him pre 2000? Why does it take the Way Back Machine to make your point? Lately Rudy HAS travelled the world for his company and the consulting he's done does impact diplomats on all continents. You would prefer Kerry who has helped Iran become more powerful, more nuclear, and a country we should apologize too? We can't go that far wrong with this choice. Get over it. Elections have consequences.
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On the plus side. If he's abroad, maybe we won't have to listen to him as much.
I go to bed, barely able to sleep. I get up dreading turning on the TV. Can anybody forget the Armageddon spectacle that was the Trump/Republican National Convention, with Giuliani in a starring role? And now trump is doing a casting call for the sequel, again starring Giuliani. Maybe tomorrow will be the day I finally unplug/cut the cord...but, who can avoid watching this train wreck in real time. Giuliani needs the state hospital, not the state department.
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Lucky you. You're in Canada. Pity the poor souls here. We wake up to a nightmare!
Wow. And you're already in Canada....
I understand your anxiety. My wife and I have cut the tv cord, at least that part of it attached to news programs, except PBS and BBC. I blame the networks and cable news programs for allowing Trump an unfettered and free megaphone for his vile messages that went unchallenged. We cannot abide watching these same folks now chew over ad nauseam Trump and his goons and how on earth he got elected. Instead I added another print source to my subscriptions, The Atlantic. Read a good book and hope for the best.
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Each day we exhaust our supply of stunned response as this train wreck careens blindly down the tracks.
In the end, the only word left is tragedy.
In the end, the only word left is tragedy.
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Is there some medication available that will treat the coming national depression?
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Cyanide Pills?
For a guy who promised that his "first task" as President would be to eliminate crime and terrorism, he sure is taking his time putting that plan into action.
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Honestly? The only think that scare me is who will be chose for the Supreme Court.
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If Rudy Guiliani was a noun, he would be found right next to one word in the dictionary definition of diplomat: antonym.
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Cabinet-level nominees must be confirmed by the Senate.
Senate Democrats (and Republicans with any semblance of a conscience remaining) need to reject the rancid slew of swamp-dwellers like Giuliani coming their way.
Senate Democrats (and Republicans with any semblance of a conscience remaining) need to reject the rancid slew of swamp-dwellers like Giuliani coming their way.
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Maybe the editors aren't aware of this yet, but if they really want Trump to do something then their best bet is to demand that he not do it, and tell him what a horrible, dangerous idea it is.
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How about not ignore the fact that every single person involved is beyond incompetency let alone failures as human in being able to live in a society without antagonizing fellow citizens. America is done and you morons voted for it-good luck!!
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The Trump piñata bashing continues. That is a pretty low hanging pinata in my view.
The hard work that the Dems / progressives face is multifaceted.
1. The gerrymandered House. The false front House majority stems from clever investments in state races. Winning gave the Republicans the ability to gerrymander safe Republican Congressional districts, guaranteeing them a majority out as far as the eye can see. Dem funders need to put their money to work in the same way and play the long game. Trump's antics will help them.
2. 24/7 political propaganda. Faux News and other right wing sources bellow their lies non-stop. The Dems need to create a similar apparatus to offset it. Good luck with that.
3. Income inequality. The .1% own both parties. Their "donations" and armies of highly paid lobbyists ensure that their laws are passed and justices are confirmed. We the People is the only way to offset it. Getting to them in a virtual non-stop campaign to understand that they can have single payer health care, that they can have low cost education, and that there can be living wage manufacturing jobs is a good place to start.
4. Money in politics. The .1%'s money is a poison that reaches all wells. But Bernie Sanders has proven that a presidential campaign can be run exclusively with small donations. So there is hope.
Blithely bashing the Donald gets us nowhere.
Laying the foundation for the Republican Party's demise does.
The hard work that the Dems / progressives face is multifaceted.
1. The gerrymandered House. The false front House majority stems from clever investments in state races. Winning gave the Republicans the ability to gerrymander safe Republican Congressional districts, guaranteeing them a majority out as far as the eye can see. Dem funders need to put their money to work in the same way and play the long game. Trump's antics will help them.
2. 24/7 political propaganda. Faux News and other right wing sources bellow their lies non-stop. The Dems need to create a similar apparatus to offset it. Good luck with that.
3. Income inequality. The .1% own both parties. Their "donations" and armies of highly paid lobbyists ensure that their laws are passed and justices are confirmed. We the People is the only way to offset it. Getting to them in a virtual non-stop campaign to understand that they can have single payer health care, that they can have low cost education, and that there can be living wage manufacturing jobs is a good place to start.
4. Money in politics. The .1%'s money is a poison that reaches all wells. But Bernie Sanders has proven that a presidential campaign can be run exclusively with small donations. So there is hope.
Blithely bashing the Donald gets us nowhere.
Laying the foundation for the Republican Party's demise does.
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"A successful secretary of state must be steeped in history and geopolitics and have shrewd negotiating skills"
The author aptly described everything that Hillary Clinton lacked as Secretary of State and yet was strongly supported by this newspaper for that position as well as the Presidency.
The author aptly described everything that Hillary Clinton lacked as Secretary of State and yet was strongly supported by this newspaper for that position as well as the Presidency.
The ultimate Trogon Horse - With so few politicians willing to bear the shame of being a Trump supporter he ended up with the bottom of the barrel. Men whose only hope of getting back on top was a long shot Trump win. Now his band of racist, sexists, cantankerous old white men are piling out if the Trump Trojan House to run the country like clowns at the circus. God help us!
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Your editorial amply demonstrated the weaknesses Giuliani manifests; he is arrogant, abrasive and condensessing. If we look over the decade his assertions on various issues are based on ignorance. He treated foreign leaders with contempt especially Palestinian leader Arafat ejected him from a concert in Manhattan in spite of President Obama protest. It was against all the norms of diplomacy. His knowledge of geopolitics and history is very minimal, he is not schooled in international politics. His international affairs knowledge only hinges on as lobbyist for Qatar, Venezuela and Iranian exiles. He has some audacity to jail Hillary Clinton speeches she made, while he is doing the same thing with our enemy Iran collecting millions of dollars. His racial remarks and jokes are well known in NY circles. He was in bed with Trump in denigrating president Obama. We cannot trust him with framing foreign policy apparatus we need a calm and emotional stable and pragmatic person to run international affairs, not indulging in settling revenges.
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I don't know why? The man is a statesman par excellence. His thoughtfulness and open mindedness are simply astonishing. He led New York a city full of immigrants. And the United Nations is here too. See? He might even be overqualified. As far as appointments go there is no department of climate change so everyone needs to calm down over the possible appointment of a climate change denier as head of the EPA. And Mr Bannon is a staunch believer of an America. So he too is qualified. There you have it. With the mandate given to by electoral college , Mr Trump, go forth and Make America Grate.
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Grate is correct. On everyone's nerves.
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He was a bully as mayor and would try and bully/bluff his way through any other job he received. His arrogance, inability to listen or consider both sides and belief that "God is on his side" will get us embroiled in a war that will require us to bring back the draft. That is how Americans will get jobs - they'll all be in the Armed Services.
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It is no secret to anyone with air in their lungs that loyalists, major fundraisers and donors, are usually rewarded by an incoming president with some diplomatic mission as ambassador to somewhere. Granted, there are really only a handful of prestigious posts for those appointees. But they love spending a few years in the lap of luxury discussing trade and other subjects with the leaders of those countries.
But the job of SOS is one requiring serious bona fides which Rudy has absolutely none. Trump's basic experience in making appointments usually requires choosing one of his children.
As DJT makes more and more outrageous decisions and appointments, expect the Washinton Mall to swell with a few million protestors with more in the streets of America. Impeachment is not unthinkable. In fact, it may be more probably than anyone could imagine within the first year.
Presidential approvals of low taxes for the wealthy while attempting to dismantle or privatize Social Security and Medicare will show those Trump voters just how wrong they were.
But the job of SOS is one requiring serious bona fides which Rudy has absolutely none. Trump's basic experience in making appointments usually requires choosing one of his children.
As DJT makes more and more outrageous decisions and appointments, expect the Washinton Mall to swell with a few million protestors with more in the streets of America. Impeachment is not unthinkable. In fact, it may be more probably than anyone could imagine within the first year.
Presidential approvals of low taxes for the wealthy while attempting to dismantle or privatize Social Security and Medicare will show those Trump voters just how wrong they were.
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Oh, come on. Picking people you don't like for the cabinet as a basis for impeachment? He got elected according to the current laws governing our election process and he gets to nominate people for cabinet positions (something he has not officially done yet, I might add - so no telling if Mr. Giuliani will even BE the nominee for SOS). And anyway, impeach him and you get President Pence - not sure that would make you any happier. Stop protesting and starting working toward mid-terms and 2020...
It is unfortunate that this men president elect would not listen to reasoning as his ego is too big, besides the fact that his brain is too little!
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Rudy Giuliani's main qualification is that he supported Trump and by backing the winning candidate he positioned himself for the opportunity to be Secretary of State in the Trump administration.
As bad a choice as he may be, he is still light years preferable to veteran loon and neocon John Bolton.
Given Giuliani's history as one of the most relentless cashers-in on the whole "terror" industry, his tenure as SOS will most likely resemble that of Secretary Clinton's: a complete failure for the United States but at the same time a fantastic enrichment opportunity for him, his cronies and a soon to be opened 'Rudy Foundation'.
As bad a choice as he may be, he is still light years preferable to veteran loon and neocon John Bolton.
Given Giuliani's history as one of the most relentless cashers-in on the whole "terror" industry, his tenure as SOS will most likely resemble that of Secretary Clinton's: a complete failure for the United States but at the same time a fantastic enrichment opportunity for him, his cronies and a soon to be opened 'Rudy Foundation'.
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Interesting. We out here in fly over country probably don't know the mayors history as well as New Yorkers but given this IS the NYT, its safe to say that a democrat with an identical record would be highly praised and considered a top choice by the Old Grey Mare. I agree there are better picks, his performance as a Trump surrogate leads me to question his judgement, but its unlikely he'd be much worse than Always on the Wrong Side of History Kerry who currently holds the seat.
Trump should also swallow his pride and seek the wise counsel of former secretaries of state Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, both fine patriotic people who would certainly be willing to give him some insight into candidates for this position.
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Trump has a Mormon problem. He wants unity. Jon Huntsman is a Republican, a former ambassador to China, speaks Mandarin, is a vastly superior choice to be Sec of State and would allow some of the GOP family to unify. He did not support Trump.
But Trump said he wanted to have the best people in jobs. Jon Huntsman would be the best person for Sec of State.
Rudy skills are not diplomacy. New Yorkers and most others know that Rudy speaks first, many people get upset, he blusters, then sometimes he just repeats the words 9/11 and changes the subject. Rudy would be great at Homeland Security.
But Trump said he wanted to have the best people in jobs. Jon Huntsman would be the best person for Sec of State.
Rudy skills are not diplomacy. New Yorkers and most others know that Rudy speaks first, many people get upset, he blusters, then sometimes he just repeats the words 9/11 and changes the subject. Rudy would be great at Homeland Security.
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Secretary of Segregation and Intolerance.
Rudy is the obvious choice.
Rudy is the obvious choice.
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It doesn't matter, the whole Republican ticket will be based on trial and error -- they might even crumble to the notion of an electoral college before it is over.
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Rudy Giuliani - Trump's amazing remora for the past 17 months (along with remoras Chris Christie and Newt Gingrich, attached to Trump's sharkskin) - may he never be named Secretary of State or Attorney General in President-elect Trump's Cabinet. He should benamed Head Cheerleader for the Trump team and just continue his shouting and ranting and boosing which helped Trump scale the unbelievable ladder to the White House last week. Rudy is the guy who announced to his wife on TV that he was divorcing her. Imagine his stint as Secretary of State! A man of no conscience. Lord have mercy and spare us from Giuliani anywhere in Trump's Cabinet.
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Just another "little man looking for a balcony" as Jimmy Breslin once described the Mayor.
Giuliani's hateful speech at the Republican Convention ought to be enough to disqualify him from any position which requires diplomacy. His rabid accusations targeting President Obama or Secretary Clinton is more than enough to believe that he does not have the temperament be the Nation's senior diplomat.
Let him walk President Trump's dog, but keep him away from the State Department, or Justice Department for that matter.
Giuliani's hateful speech at the Republican Convention ought to be enough to disqualify him from any position which requires diplomacy. His rabid accusations targeting President Obama or Secretary Clinton is more than enough to believe that he does not have the temperament be the Nation's senior diplomat.
Let him walk President Trump's dog, but keep him away from the State Department, or Justice Department for that matter.
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Pity the poor dog.
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As mayor of NYC, Giuliani protected the benefits of illegal immigrants and refused to cooperate with deportation.
But then again, Trump was once pro-choice and anti-gun.
But then again, Trump was once pro-choice and anti-gun.
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Mr. Trump is a man who suggested a few weeks ago that former Secretary of State Clinton couldn’t “satisfy” her husband, so he obviously is well informed about the requirements for being a great Secretary of State.
Let’s leave him alone now to do the job the American people elected him to do, whatever that is.
Let’s leave him alone now to do the job the American people elected him to do, whatever that is.
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Giuliani has pursued his future relentlessly upon the expiration of his terms mayor in 2001.
Little to show for it.
#1: considered seeking the Republican nomination for the US Senate -- which would have pitted him against Hillary Clinton -- but terminated his campaign early on due to his a medical situation.
#2: sought to unilaterally postpone the NYC mayoral election by three months, calling it an emergency move in light of 9/11. His extraordinary proposal never gained traction.
#3: sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, early on regarded as the #1 contestant. What happened next? He conducted an erratic campaign the soured Republican voters. Ultimately he gained one delegate.
#4: Attached himself, early on, as a prominent advocate of Donald Trump's presidential aspirations. In so doing he again showed himself as intemperate and irascible in his public conduct.
Add to all of this, Giuliani well-documented private life -- vis-à-vis multiple spouses and his off springs -- pointing to a person who has routinely violated the boundaries of judgment and decorum.
All of this adds up to a pattern suggesting that this person is ill-suited for the position he aspires to hold.
And all of this reminds us of Donald Trump's steady barrage of hyper criticism directed by President Obama (" . . . a terrible president.")
As for Mr. Trump, on the eighth day since his election, readily we might readily conclude: " . . . a failing presidential transition."
Little to show for it.
#1: considered seeking the Republican nomination for the US Senate -- which would have pitted him against Hillary Clinton -- but terminated his campaign early on due to his a medical situation.
#2: sought to unilaterally postpone the NYC mayoral election by three months, calling it an emergency move in light of 9/11. His extraordinary proposal never gained traction.
#3: sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, early on regarded as the #1 contestant. What happened next? He conducted an erratic campaign the soured Republican voters. Ultimately he gained one delegate.
#4: Attached himself, early on, as a prominent advocate of Donald Trump's presidential aspirations. In so doing he again showed himself as intemperate and irascible in his public conduct.
Add to all of this, Giuliani well-documented private life -- vis-à-vis multiple spouses and his off springs -- pointing to a person who has routinely violated the boundaries of judgment and decorum.
All of this adds up to a pattern suggesting that this person is ill-suited for the position he aspires to hold.
And all of this reminds us of Donald Trump's steady barrage of hyper criticism directed by President Obama (" . . . a terrible president.")
As for Mr. Trump, on the eighth day since his election, readily we might readily conclude: " . . . a failing presidential transition."
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When George Bush Jr. was elected president we entertained hope that he would be reasonable given his family history and the realities of running the government. We were quickly disabused of this notion. With Trump there is no hoping. Nothing he has done, no family history, no career experience gives hope of a different Trump from the one we saw during the election. His closest campaign advisers and transition team are a bad joke. His son-in-law gets even with Chris Christie for putting his dad in jail and collateral damage includes national security experts. A climate change denier in the pocket of big business runs the environmental transition. An hour after speaking with Putin there is a massive Aleppo bombing of Syrian civilians and US supported rebels. Huge conflict of interest issues remain to be resolved. And the cowardly Republican establishment pols tell us that we must wait and evaluate Trump according to his results?
Trump's constituency--except for the rich and bigoted--have been duped and they must understand that there will be no surge in white lower skilled jobs. Likely infrastructure and safety net programs are those opposed by Republicans under Obama.
It is okay to hate...constructively. Intolerance of intolerance is a virtue. Publicize, excoriate, show the Trump 'brand' for what it is. Let us start by making the Republican establishment establishment pols face accountability for the results!
Trump's constituency--except for the rich and bigoted--have been duped and they must understand that there will be no surge in white lower skilled jobs. Likely infrastructure and safety net programs are those opposed by Republicans under Obama.
It is okay to hate...constructively. Intolerance of intolerance is a virtue. Publicize, excoriate, show the Trump 'brand' for what it is. Let us start by making the Republican establishment establishment pols face accountability for the results!
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"A successful secretary of state must be steeped in history and geopolitics and have shrewd negotiating skills and a clear sense of America’s capabilities, principles and the limits of Washington’s power.". Does that description fit Mr. Giuliani? Perhaps not in the first few areas, but ma h would argue that experience as a US attorney and Mayor of Gotham certainly gives one negotiating skills at the very least. That being said, how did Hilllary measure up? It would seem she possesses few if any of these attributes either, yet the Times continues to beat her drum. Sad that this hypocrisy continues apace.
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As a Mayor, Giuliani was intolerant of criticism and autocratic, not attributes that will serve him as SoS. Clinton had been a Senator who had served on the Armed Services committee and the Helsinki Commission, giving her at least some experience in foreign affairs. As a Senator, she would've had to learn to negotiate.
HClinton began the nuclear weapon deal which has ended Iran's plutonium for at least 15 years. Rudy opposes it for no nuclear weapons reason.
Praying for some divine intervention here. I am trying so hard to remain optimistic but there's not denying it - these are scary times and the cabinet Trump is potentially assembling is even scarier.
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This is the same Giuliani who during the recent election claimed that he could not recall seeing Hilary Clinton at the Ground Zero site.
Cut to: a photograph of him standing next to her at Ground Zero.
These guys will tell any lie to advance their cause.
Cut to: a photograph of him standing next to her at Ground Zero.
These guys will tell any lie to advance their cause.
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Hillary is not likable--according to the polls. Giuliani is probably blocking this bad memory. 9/11 was traumatic enough without an encounter of the third kind with the anti-Christ Hillary Clinton.
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He could be in charge of getting rid of unwanted car window washing at stop lights. That was helpful. Can't think of anything else useful.
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Something Trump was always yammering about was that Mrs. Clinton was too old (even though she is younger than him.) So who is he bringing on board? People even older than himself. I'm speaking as someone over sixty myself, so it isn't a bias against age. But there is something nice about a youthful thoughts and a vibrant culture. These old guys like Giuliani will turn Washington into a crypt.
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This is too funny. The leftist, apologetic Democrats were fine with Mrs Clinton, who had limited time in the US Senate as Secretary of State, but no other "experience", dubious business dealings, ties to foreign governments, and speeches, and you make the laughable statement that Mr Giuliani shouldn't be Secretary of State? I though your bosses wanted more open and honest reporting? I guess that was just lip service.
Where do you get your news Vermonter? Steve Bannon's hate journal. The pillar of hate-anger-fear-lies-war fox so-called news? The nra? The hate radio conglomerate?
You are wrong. Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton has studied and lived political science her entire life and has the structure behind her to lead on day one.
The problem with hate is that it fogs up the mind.
You are wrong. Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton has studied and lived political science her entire life and has the structure behind her to lead on day one.
The problem with hate is that it fogs up the mind.
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As a U.S. Senator for two terms she got a close look at the inner workings of the federal government. Sounds like an excellent qualification for Secretary of State to me.
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Dear Vermonter:
What is even funnier is your naivete on the subject. We who lived through Giuliani's Gestapo era of sanctioned police brutality know this evil man all too well. When someone filed suit against the NYPD this little Mussolini used to release any incriminating information he could dig up about the plaintiff to the NYPost, attempting to prejudice a case against the NYPD. Their battle cry during his reign was "it's Giuliani time!" Those were the glory days for fascist rule. That Rump would consider such a vicious attack dog like Giuliani for State shows we New Yorkers just how stupid and deplorable those who voted for Rump truly are. You want him, you've got him, Pal.
DD
Manhattan
What is even funnier is your naivete on the subject. We who lived through Giuliani's Gestapo era of sanctioned police brutality know this evil man all too well. When someone filed suit against the NYPD this little Mussolini used to release any incriminating information he could dig up about the plaintiff to the NYPost, attempting to prejudice a case against the NYPD. Their battle cry during his reign was "it's Giuliani time!" Those were the glory days for fascist rule. That Rump would consider such a vicious attack dog like Giuliani for State shows we New Yorkers just how stupid and deplorable those who voted for Rump truly are. You want him, you've got him, Pal.
DD
Manhattan
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At least he won't threaten national security with sloppy, negligent email servers in his basement.
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No, they are just doing unsecured calls at Trump Tower. Give me a break.
The run up to a certainly fateful inauguration has already been altogether surreal.
The bizarre menagerie of first picks and fawning hopefuls for momentously crucial positions in the forthcoming Trump White House and cabinet is already immensely disconcerting.
One wonders just how much license Trump will be allowed by a GOP controlled Congress hell bent on proving the efficacy of Republican control of both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. So far there seems to be little push back of any kind from the hill.
The possibility of a major national political train wreck grows with every passing day as the closed off machinations in the Trump Tower (dark visions of the Lord of the Rings) play on.
The bizarre menagerie of first picks and fawning hopefuls for momentously crucial positions in the forthcoming Trump White House and cabinet is already immensely disconcerting.
One wonders just how much license Trump will be allowed by a GOP controlled Congress hell bent on proving the efficacy of Republican control of both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. So far there seems to be little push back of any kind from the hill.
The possibility of a major national political train wreck grows with every passing day as the closed off machinations in the Trump Tower (dark visions of the Lord of the Rings) play on.
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but in all fairness, what diplomatic experience did Hillary have when she was appointed Secretary of State in 2009?
Her Senate tenure which included serving on the Committee on Armed Services.
Your implicit premise is that Trump will be a rational, thoughtful and inclusive President with the best interests of the Country as the driving force of his administration.
Of course that is more of a stretch than appointing Rudy as Secretary of State.
Of course that is more of a stretch than appointing Rudy as Secretary of State.
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Rudy is the ideal choice for attorney general. He is the last choice for secretary of state. The idea that Rudy is being considered for Sof S is laughable - enormous number of reasons and conflicts. NO!
If Rudy were the last man on earth, I would not make him SsofS.
If Rudy were the last man on earth, I would not make him SsofS.
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Invest in popcorn alternatives. This is fast turning into The Over The Hill Gang II.
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I have seldom (actually, never) come across such a bunch of sore losers as the NYT Editorial Board and the majority of commenters here (add to that, CNN at al). Your man lost, Trump won, period.
I, and others, have repeatedly suggested that we all stand behind our President Elect and support him in our efforts to move the country forward in the knowledge that those who brought him to power (including me) are the same people who will remove him from power should he fail- but no... the demonization continues, and the vitriol continues to drip with almost every word.
It is unlikely the NYT will publish this post since they seem to have blackballed me and most every post I have written since the primaries. Why? Because I am supportive of Trump. The bias is, and has been, pronounced, and people, specifically those of us who voted Trump, see through the charade- it is clear you simply don't care. You do yourselves no favor. Your conceit is your downfall.
Giuliani would make a great Sec.State, indeed the man would fit well into any number of cabinet positions. But the NYT and many others in the media think they know better. On the eve of the election the NYT predicted by overwhelming odds that Trump would lose, how did that work out for you?
Where do we put our trust. I'll put mine in Trump, Giuliani and the other faithful.
I, and others, have repeatedly suggested that we all stand behind our President Elect and support him in our efforts to move the country forward in the knowledge that those who brought him to power (including me) are the same people who will remove him from power should he fail- but no... the demonization continues, and the vitriol continues to drip with almost every word.
It is unlikely the NYT will publish this post since they seem to have blackballed me and most every post I have written since the primaries. Why? Because I am supportive of Trump. The bias is, and has been, pronounced, and people, specifically those of us who voted Trump, see through the charade- it is clear you simply don't care. You do yourselves no favor. Your conceit is your downfall.
Giuliani would make a great Sec.State, indeed the man would fit well into any number of cabinet positions. But the NYT and many others in the media think they know better. On the eve of the election the NYT predicted by overwhelming odds that Trump would lose, how did that work out for you?
Where do we put our trust. I'll put mine in Trump, Giuliani and the other faithful.
You go ahead, Mr. Campbell. I do not accept this financial coup on America.
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The criticism of Trump isn't demonization but a legitimate and accurate critique of his plans, temperament and his dubious government choices so far. Of course, you have offered nothing substantive on the actual question of Giuliani's qualifications for SoS.
"they seem to have blackballed me and most every post I have written since the primaries."
That seems less likely than the possibility that you have just missed them.
"they seem to have blackballed me and most every post I have written since the primaries."
That seems less likely than the possibility that you have just missed them.
A few things. First, "Period." Really? I guess you are using that word in the same vain as it was used announcing the termination of the "Birther" issue. Like president-elect, the audacity that you or he can finalize anything reeks of too much self-importance and comes off as scolding. Are you sending a bunch of "sore losers" of to bed without dinner? Secondly, more audacity. You and yours (whoever you mean) are going to remove him from power when you feel fit? Well, there are lots of other people who are not going to sit on their hands, quietly in the corner waiting for you to become disenchanted. People other than his supporters might be a bunch of "you-know-whats" or maybe more perceptive. Hey, or both. As far as blocking your posts. They posted this one. I don't believe being a supporter of his would be an automatic block. I would suggest reviewing your posts and reviewing the Times' Comment Policy. I put my trust in the discretion of the NYT Comment Review Team. They might not post this one. As far as "faithful," if you mean faithful to the president-elect, I believe that is a one-way street. He will dump anyone once they are of no use to him, not our country, but to him.
I do not expect that trump will heed the advice of the New York Times on any aspect of the tragedy he has wrought upon our nation, but he should.
I remain in shock over the outcome of this election. That our nation is facing four years of unknowns under trump is tragic for every single one of us Americans.
I remain in shock over the outcome of this election. That our nation is facing four years of unknowns under trump is tragic for every single one of us Americans.
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Someone who claims "these are my streets." He has no self control of speech and actions. Please no Rudy.
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While I agree that it would be a huge mistake to appoint Giuliani as SOS, it is apparent that the NY Times was not serious about its lame mea culpa last week in admitting that it intentionally and routinely engaged in dishonest reporting. HRC is guilty of the sames faults, yet she is not mentioned as a valid reason to prove its point about Giuliani. While Giuliani's conflicts of interests and instances of bad foreign policy blunders should be reported on, why were the far worse conflicts of interest and foreign policy blunders by Hillary Clinton not focused on by the NY Times? In spite of too many speeches to mention made to countries with the worst human rights violations, her selling out the country for personal gain through the Clinton Foundation and her presiding over the Russian reset, Arab Spring and ignoring 62 desperate requests from Chris Stevens for more security in Benghazi, among other failures, the NY Times endorsed HRC with blubbering enthusiasm. This is such an outrageous double standard ascribed to by the editors. So much for a legitimate effort to regain its readers trust.
Yes, you certainly seem like an open-minded person who was looking forward to giving them a chance. I'm sure they are heartbroken to have lost your support.
Trump's most loyal supporters, i.e. the ones who didn't abandon him after the Access Hollywood video, have their pick of whatever positions they want, regardless of experience. Like Eliot Cohen said, these posts are just lollipops, those big juicy Charms lollipops that look like jewels on sticks.
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Given that the NYTimes Editorial Board is giving Giuliani "thumbs down", it would now appear he has a lock on the position. Sadly, America is getting what it deserves. By spreading misinformation and State Department propaganda for decades, the NYTimes is complicit: Had the United States not wandered so far off the path of justice in its dealings with the world and its own people, the "reaction" we are seeing now would not have happened.
Sadly the Editorial Board and its ilk will despair over fine wine in posh restaurants; the rest of the world will suffer from the EB's misdeeds and lack of integrity with empty bellies under artillery fire both real and metaphorical.
Sadly the Editorial Board and its ilk will despair over fine wine in posh restaurants; the rest of the world will suffer from the EB's misdeeds and lack of integrity with empty bellies under artillery fire both real and metaphorical.
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While I do not disagree with this editorial I DO believe if the Times is to preserve its credibility the board owes its readers an explanation as to why it did not raise the same issues with respect to the Clinton's paid political speeches.
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"Drain the swamp" = Cronyism? So much for any appearances of meritocracy. Oh wait, in Trump's world, merit appears to be driven by loyalty alone.
Good luck to the Trump voters who cast their votes with so much desperation for change and with hopes for improving their lives. I really do pity you for getting conned. I am truly afraid that your lives will not get any better. Please hold him accountable for the promises he made to you.
Good luck to the Trump voters who cast their votes with so much desperation for change and with hopes for improving their lives. I really do pity you for getting conned. I am truly afraid that your lives will not get any better. Please hold him accountable for the promises he made to you.
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Giuliani has spoken about numerous foreign policy issues, basically spouting the Republican line. I find it curious, to say the least, that this editorial says not a word about Giuliani's foreign policy views. Most thinking people consider that relevant.
Rudy, the right man for the 18th century. He has clearly shown the wrong temperament for a diplomat, let alone the top diplomat. Rudy is all bark, emotion, and "likely to act".
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This editorial wants someone from the old guard to be Secretary of State. The problem is that the old guards (both D and R) are largely responsible for the regime change and the mess in the Middle East. You can't solve an old problem with old solutions and old mentalities. I don't think Giuliani could be any worse than HRC as Secretary of State and I liked how he cleaned up NYC as a mayor. I'd rather see him as Attorney General, but why not at State? I'd say give him a chance.
Clearly your memories of NYC before, during and after Giuliani are very different than mine, judging by the "poor performance in City Hall" slam. I remember a filthy, dangerous city that was cleaned up during his tenure. And why didn't Mrs. Clinton's similarly far-flung financial ties to foreign governments raise your red flags? Lastly, is it always necessary to choose the most absurd and unflattering photo to illustrate your editorials? Nobody in public life doesn't have quite a few of those to choose from, and it takes away from your own dignity to stoop to that sort of cartoon journalism.
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For those, like myself, who said give Mr. Trump a chance well that chance just flew out the window. It is time to oppose Mr. Trump on every level. Starting today and lasting till he is impeached.
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Sadly, impeaching Trump won't end the insanity. His minions will already have been given free reign for any and all positions and the removal of a standing president won't change the horrific cabinet he constructed. Add to that the coattail effect of his election and the Republican Party will have a hammerlock on this country for many many years. Their ability to fill Supreme Court seats in the near future will guarantee that fact.
The Republican Party sold their soul to the Ayatollah and Iran in 1980. This is the way the Republicans have been acting since 1980. Wake UP! The only scandal about Benghazi was the behavior of the Republicans which were taking delight in the fact that it occurred before a presidential election and tried to politicize it rather than support our country. This evidently has become typical with Republicans since the 1980 election when the Ayatollah became the “puppet master” of Ronald Reagan concerning the hostage release by Iran being delayed for political reasons. Subsequently the puppet master prevented the Reagan Administration from declaring war against Iran on October 23, 1983 when Iran was responsible for the killing of 241 Marines in the 10/23/83 Lebanon Barracks Bombing. Furthermore, the Reagan Administration covered up its lack of action over the Barracks Bombing, our Second Pearl Harbor and the most Marines killed since Iwo Jima, by invading Grenada a week later rather than invading Iran. There was no outrage among Republicans when the Reagan Administration later sold weapons to Iran a year or two later after Iran had attacked the United States in the Barracks Bombing. Think of how the country would have reacted if we sold weapons to the Japanese after Pearl. During Iran Contra the Reagan Administration sold weapons to Iran and the murderers of the 241 Marines. Benghazi was nothing compared to the Conspiracy of Silence over the Lebanon Barracks Bombing.
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I wonder if the passings of Gwen Ifill and Janet Reno are signs that civility has left the room?
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"My Way or the Highway" is not a sound basis for diplomacy.
Giuliani lacks tact, and lacks any sense of judgment and flexibility necessary to be the chief representative of the US abroad. Giuliani is the personification of the term "Breaking Glass."
Rewarding political allies with jobs that are completely wrong for their skills and personal traits is a sign of a weak administration. Another swing and miss for the President-elect. This is the guy who bragged he'd hire the best? Really good people, the best people, the right people? Suuure he will.
Giuliani lacks tact, and lacks any sense of judgment and flexibility necessary to be the chief representative of the US abroad. Giuliani is the personification of the term "Breaking Glass."
Rewarding political allies with jobs that are completely wrong for their skills and personal traits is a sign of a weak administration. Another swing and miss for the President-elect. This is the guy who bragged he'd hire the best? Really good people, the best people, the right people? Suuure he will.
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Last night I saw a clip of Trump entering "21" in New York. He had ditched his press corp, but somebody had a cell phone, of course. He told the assembled 1percent in the restaurant that they were in line for a tax cut and everybody laughed. We should not be surprised at anything that happens, nobody decent is going to work for him. The good thing that could come out of this is that other countries will have to grow up to survive. Maybe the Brits could stop killing Poles on the street and the Brexit people will realize they are cutting their own throats.
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Rudi Giuliani would excel in any job offered to him in the Trump administration. He cleaned up NYC which was a total mess of organized crime, pornography and many other numerous problems. He handles 9/11 splendidly. I (and many as per seen in the election vote) do not think President Obama cares a bit about America. He vilified the police, elevated thugs, brought whoever he felt like into this country, could not keep calm at any time (including now) took race relations back to the 1960's, and he was an empty suit for most of his administration. He did nothing for this country. Nothing.
OK. I've read the article which makes a strong case for not hiring Rudy for the State position. So what will Trump most likely do? Hire Rudy as Secretary of State.
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The NY Times has come unhinged and lost its moorings regarding journalistic integrity and relevance. This level of bias reporting is unprecedented. Mr. Giuliani is as qualified as were and are the two predecessors to the Secretary of State position, including the current incompetent, the always pretentious John Kerry. The collapse of U.S. foreign policy and international standing under the Obama Administration went unreported for the past eight years as did the recent protests in Greece upon the Obama international farewell tour yesterday. Most of the prescient challenges listed in this article are due to the ineptness of the current Administration and two bumbling Secretaries of State.
The failure of this article to present any measure of objectivity demonstrates the sinking of NY Times journalistic credibility to new lows and cements its current lack of relevance as a viable media and source of information. For verification of this fact, please review the media coverage of the current President and Administration over the last eight years, beginning with the complete charade of the awarding a Nobel Prize.
The failure of this article to present any measure of objectivity demonstrates the sinking of NY Times journalistic credibility to new lows and cements its current lack of relevance as a viable media and source of information. For verification of this fact, please review the media coverage of the current President and Administration over the last eight years, beginning with the complete charade of the awarding a Nobel Prize.
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He won that Nobel because he wasn't Bush. He accomplished zero when he got it though he may have uttered the word peace once or twice.
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Dude. This is an editorial - get with the program.
This is an editorial. It isn't a news article.
The problem: what qualified individual would enter this traveling circus?
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Giuliani’s main disqualifier for any public office is his admitted first reaction to the attacks of 9/11. At the Republican National Convention, in 2004, he admitted that his initial response upon viewing the burning towers was political. The remainder of his public career has been nothing but a public display of hucksterism, making hay from the loss of so many innocent lives and from the attack on our nation. Those of us who remember the day vividly, can showing nothing but disgust at his inhuman reaction to a human tragedy.
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Rudy Giuliani a man who bragged about there being 100 counts he could indict Hillary Clinton on during the campaign and called her the most corrupt politician to ever run for office, was proven to be a liar.
Now, we have the news of Rudy Giuliani who painted himself as a paragon of virtue, has been filling his pockets with more money than anyone I can remember by making speeches for Qatar, Venezuela and an Iranian group that was on the terrorist watch list.
This corrupt hypocrite was chastising Hillary Clinton for making paid speeches to Wall Street, while he was making more money in one year than Hillary did in all, by making speeches to foreign countries not friendly to us.
Rudy Giuliani who has shamelessly made a living self promoting himself as being the mayor of 9/11 by gravitating to any news outlet or television camera that would pay him.
Rudy is a total disgrace and unfit to be in any government positon requiring any clearance.
Now, we have the news of Rudy Giuliani who painted himself as a paragon of virtue, has been filling his pockets with more money than anyone I can remember by making speeches for Qatar, Venezuela and an Iranian group that was on the terrorist watch list.
This corrupt hypocrite was chastising Hillary Clinton for making paid speeches to Wall Street, while he was making more money in one year than Hillary did in all, by making speeches to foreign countries not friendly to us.
Rudy Giuliani who has shamelessly made a living self promoting himself as being the mayor of 9/11 by gravitating to any news outlet or television camera that would pay him.
Rudy is a total disgrace and unfit to be in any government positon requiring any clearance.
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Rudy Giuliani reached his peak in the days following the 9/11 catastrophe. I recall driving to work one morning and hearing him respond to a question about the WTC body count by saying (I'm paraphrasing here) that regardless of the actual count of dead, the sadness of it all would be more than we could bear. It was a perfect response to the media's non-stop clamoring for a count of the dead that seemed to dominate the news in the days following.
Whatever happened to that Rudy? He seemed far more reasonable than the raving looney I saw during the election.
Whatever happened to that Rudy? He seemed far more reasonable than the raving looney I saw during the election.
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This article simple states what many, especially those who read the New York Times, already know. The New York Times could stand to reduce or re-shape their coverage on Trump and his new administration simply out of realizing that this constant negative rhetoric and publicity is what enabled him to be elected. Trump has capitalized on this very style of decision making... often times going against the grain with his campaign strategy, policy proposals, and now political appointees. Instead of focusing our attention on all of Trump's moves and what can stand to go wrong, we should focus, objectively, on the very real issues/topics that ALL of the country faces (state of the economy, climate change, health care etc.) in the hopes that we can all be better informed voters at all levels of political elections.
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kdevas--Good point. Reduce coverage of all things Trump, which NYT certainly did not do during the campaign, to a few sentences about the facts.
Clearly and obviously, the voters most certainly did not know.
If the recent experience is any guide, Trump would always act against the NYT editorial counsel, wise or otherwise. Better the world leaders deal with him as they like.
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Let's look at the qualifications (rather lack of qualifications) of both Hilary Clinton and John Kerry, for the Secretary of State position. None. Not end of story because they were so unsuccessful in their jobs. Neither had experience running anything. Lip-flapping in the Senate is a non-starter. Clinton's tenure was so remarkable because of her total lack of regard for security in the department, where by statute the secretary has lead responsibility for operating the organization for protection of America's secrets. What did the NYT have to say about the appointment of these two losers?