All rejoice the rebirth of a nation. Congratulations Mr. Trump and God Bless America.
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My only hope is that he will keep his campaign vows with the same fidelity that he has kept his marital vows.
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Without exaggeration I am in shock, disoriented, nauseous, I awoke in a science fiction dystopian world so I went back to bed and now a few hours later I'm up hoping to find some mind holds in the NYTs, there doesn't seem to be any. The paper that projected her to have a 83% chance of winning turned out to have been totally divorced from reality. And so far not a Mia culpa in sight.
What does it all mean so far?
That the NYTs is so disconnect from real that heads should be exploding. The insularity is nothing new, but this is Horror Movie fare.
So now the insane clown posse will take over the US but hopfully leave the NYTs.
Thanks a lot DNC—Hillary Clinton — Democratic party leaders, are you happy now that you'v had your little party at the expense of our nation.
Do you know that on PBS they reported Dem ballots with the president line left blank all the rest filled in, that Dem women voted but did not vote for Clinton, counties where the Dem senator had more votes that Clinton?
The Democratic Party must be torn down to the ground to be rebuilt by entirely different people. No insiders allowed. Wasserman-Shultz. Chuck Schumme, all the rest, get out of here!
Ps: Nate Cohn - out of here, now.
What does it all mean so far?
That the NYTs is so disconnect from real that heads should be exploding. The insularity is nothing new, but this is Horror Movie fare.
So now the insane clown posse will take over the US but hopfully leave the NYTs.
Thanks a lot DNC—Hillary Clinton — Democratic party leaders, are you happy now that you'v had your little party at the expense of our nation.
Do you know that on PBS they reported Dem ballots with the president line left blank all the rest filled in, that Dem women voted but did not vote for Clinton, counties where the Dem senator had more votes that Clinton?
The Democratic Party must be torn down to the ground to be rebuilt by entirely different people. No insiders allowed. Wasserman-Shultz. Chuck Schumme, all the rest, get out of here!
Ps: Nate Cohn - out of here, now.
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When does the Trump University trial begin?
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You'd think that with egg on its face, the NYT would give it a rest. This sort of article is what alienated so many people. The "establishment" has spent years talking to itself. Now, it has no idea what ordinary people think.
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Chill. We elected a president, not a king.
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The NY Times sounds upset. You lost your entire objectivity in your reporting over the last 90 days and essence lost your journalistic integrity. Every day it seemed a negative attack on Trump (whom I didn't vote for btw) and now you're whining like a little kid. I'm sure you'll bring up Comey but in the end it was Hilary's decision to have a private email server so the buck stops there. Also, like markets, America corrected itself. Many - even highly taxed and educated Long Islanders like myself - had enough of the political correctness; college campus's warning about offensive costumes, the government threatening states about "bathroom" rights etc....
So the view of half the country is that "everything" in government is broken and needs to be changed and change won't come from an insider...only an outsider.
You'll get a chance four years from now to change that but perhaps you'll regain a little integrity in your front page reporting between now and then.
So the view of half the country is that "everything" in government is broken and needs to be changed and change won't come from an insider...only an outsider.
You'll get a chance four years from now to change that but perhaps you'll regain a little integrity in your front page reporting between now and then.
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I think a CBC commentator said it best: "This is literally white supremacy's last stand in America. This is it. This is what this looks like."
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Hey NYTimes editors, get your heads out of your tails. Instead of rehashing again, for the gajillionth time, everything wrong Trump, why not start taking a look at everything wrong with America and establishment politics--start considering the reality and worthwhile views of all the discontented citizens who propelled Trump this victory--even though they may not necessarily like him.
Look at what you could have been talking about here, and look at what you chose--a Cliff Note's of every Hillary attack ad, none of which did anything to help sell her to people who are out there hurting. Look at yourself--this once proud newspaper, still full of such great writers, has become such a blindly left pawn when it comes to politics that it's actually saddening to read. I switch between you and FoxNews, and while the writing is so much better here, the positioning is not really that different--just opposite ends of the scale.
Time for a reboot for everyone. Start looking at real issues and stop playing partisan games. This editorial was a sure sign that the NYT is not ready to do that yet though. Sad. Oblivious. A waste of your capabilities, standing, and role in America.
Look at what you could have been talking about here, and look at what you chose--a Cliff Note's of every Hillary attack ad, none of which did anything to help sell her to people who are out there hurting. Look at yourself--this once proud newspaper, still full of such great writers, has become such a blindly left pawn when it comes to politics that it's actually saddening to read. I switch between you and FoxNews, and while the writing is so much better here, the positioning is not really that different--just opposite ends of the scale.
Time for a reboot for everyone. Start looking at real issues and stop playing partisan games. This editorial was a sure sign that the NYT is not ready to do that yet though. Sad. Oblivious. A waste of your capabilities, standing, and role in America.
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I woke up at 4:30 am to see the set of Morning Joe had not exploded, everyone was respectful of what happened -- and we should have seen it coming was my takeaway. Monday night when I saw the backshot of Trump at his rally -- Michigan? - I was floored at the size of the crowd. That was my reckoning moment -- so why did I go to the Upshot or The 538 17 times a day for my truth? This is the deal -- no more tiny blue refuges on a red maps of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida. Democrats need to embrace the Red Neck. This is not disparaging. Red Necks love being Red Necks. But the educated, smug elite can bite me today. I blame the Grey Lady, and other press for not finding the tax returns, MSNBC needs to find anchors who are not glib AND from Massachusetts -- Maddow and O'Donnell for instance. (Chris Hayes, New York and Brown.) I need to look at myself in the mirror too. I was voting against Trump not for Hillary. So I need to take a long look at myself today. It's all breathtaking.
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Who knew the Russian hacking of our election would be so successful? After all, if the shoe were on the other candidate's foot and all the polls had favored him and he lost, the Republicans would have claimed rigged or hacked elections.
What are the chances a right wing FBI will investigate??
Will the right wing conspirators finally stop attacking and slandering Hillary?
What are the chances a right wing FBI will investigate??
Will the right wing conspirators finally stop attacking and slandering Hillary?
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Dear Readers,
Some didn't like it when Republicans criticized Obama taking office. Here's an opportunity for ALL of us to celebrate democracy and honor our new president.
Regards
Some didn't like it when Republicans criticized Obama taking office. Here's an opportunity for ALL of us to celebrate democracy and honor our new president.
Regards
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Clinton and Obama have been gracious in their comments. The NYT finds it impossible to do so and continues to rant. Some things never change.
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Whatever happens next, the Republicans own it.
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We told our children that if they work hard, study, and treat others with respect they will succeed.
Now our children will look at us as though we are fools.
Lying, cheating, bullying, and disparaging others, those are the keys to success in Donald Trump's America.
In this new America, nice guys won't finish last, they'll never get the chance to start.
This is the world our children now inhabit and heaven help the fool that tries to swim against this tide.
Now our children will look at us as though we are fools.
Lying, cheating, bullying, and disparaging others, those are the keys to success in Donald Trump's America.
In this new America, nice guys won't finish last, they'll never get the chance to start.
This is the world our children now inhabit and heaven help the fool that tries to swim against this tide.
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If the Democratic party had not tried so hard to manipulate the process and give Hillary the nomination maybe Bernie Sanders would have won the primary. In a match-up with Trump it's possible he could have won. As many have pointed out, this election was never about policy, but about anger and choosing someone outside the establishment. It could have easily been Bernie--- and imagine how different the world would have looked this morning.
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The funniest line of the entire campaign was Barack Obama's: "she's the most qualified presidential candidate ever."
Only compared to Trump, nobody else.
Only compared to Trump, nobody else.
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President Hillary Clinton. It's unthinkable to hear those words. Thank God that enemy of the constitution is over.
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It is surprising how all the many pundits who told us Trump had only a tiny path to election are now displaying their punditry telling us (probably as wrong as ever) how and why Trump came to victory. As quick-change artists, the expensive pundits are merely wizards in the wind, swinging around to suit whatever wind seems to make them look word wise. It looks as if we will now be buried under another avalanche of punditry that ignores past errors and embarks on a whole new field of seeming wisdom.
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i'm sorry that hate won this election.
but when the editors/comment moderators at nyt filter comments that clearly disagree with their points of view, you have to wonder at the tone editorials like this display.
i'm a social liberal, as liberal as they come. i support lgbtq rights and am pro choice. i quake at the possibilities of a conservative supreme court and what it will do to women's rights. but my thoughts about undocumented immigrants and the process of immigration are routinely never published. why? because my comments almost always bring out the trouble with legal immigration and that illegal immigration and granting citizenship to the undocumented before legal immigrants is unfair to those waiting in long lines. and i will bet a thousand bucks this comment will never see light of day either because i just expressed a point of view that is different to the nyt's.
does the editorial board really wonder why trump's victory is a humbling blow to the news media? because you, the responsible stalwarts of the news media, don't listen to people who have an opposing point of view. which, as it turns out on the basis of popular vote, is half this country's population.
establishments like the nyt have an obligation to engage in responsible, democratic dialogue. and that means allowing points of view that make you uncomfortable. that is true democracy. true tolerance. true inclusiveness.
stop whining about trump. be the example you want to see.
but when the editors/comment moderators at nyt filter comments that clearly disagree with their points of view, you have to wonder at the tone editorials like this display.
i'm a social liberal, as liberal as they come. i support lgbtq rights and am pro choice. i quake at the possibilities of a conservative supreme court and what it will do to women's rights. but my thoughts about undocumented immigrants and the process of immigration are routinely never published. why? because my comments almost always bring out the trouble with legal immigration and that illegal immigration and granting citizenship to the undocumented before legal immigrants is unfair to those waiting in long lines. and i will bet a thousand bucks this comment will never see light of day either because i just expressed a point of view that is different to the nyt's.
does the editorial board really wonder why trump's victory is a humbling blow to the news media? because you, the responsible stalwarts of the news media, don't listen to people who have an opposing point of view. which, as it turns out on the basis of popular vote, is half this country's population.
establishments like the nyt have an obligation to engage in responsible, democratic dialogue. and that means allowing points of view that make you uncomfortable. that is true democracy. true tolerance. true inclusiveness.
stop whining about trump. be the example you want to see.
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The people I have talked to are unsure where Trump is headed. He reverses himself at the drop of a hat. The Republicans in Congress include many who opposed Trump. And he will now have experienced advisors around him. so he may well take different stands. Taking statements from his campaign as if they were set in stone is unwarranted. The man is President and the Board can't change that. Going to war with him before he assumes office is a bad strategy. The Times purposely alienated Trump during the campaign, when an understanding of middle class anger would have contributed to reader understanding and a less hateful approach overall. The wise thing for the media right now is restraint. Unceasing negativism may soothe the conscience, but it harms the nation. The Times is out to bury Trump to justify its strategy during the campaign. But the campaign is over and it's time for the media to stop being self-righteous and start giving Trump a chance. That's what Hillary said today and she was right.
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The manner in which Donald Trump executed his campaign has divided not only the population, but families, as he has given explicit permission for men to treat women with verbal and physical disrespect. For this, we should not forgive him until he has thoroughly apologized and admitted he was wrong--for political correctness is in fact only good manners.
In addition, he has threatened many of us, or incited others to threaten many of us--women who are less than physically perfect in his eyes, men who aren't "winners" in a way he understands, people whose skin isn't white, and people who don't worship the way he wants them to worship. For this, he should apologize. Without an apology and a retraction of his statements, he has no moral authority (although he will have a Constitutional authority) to govern the people he has disparaged.
Donald Trump may be the President of the United States come January 20, but in many eyes, he is a small, greedy man who has no moral authority. He can change that by apologizing, reversing his statements, paying his fair share of back taxes, and convincing those of us who are waiting with open minds that he can, in fact, lead.
Good leaders don't have more than half the country fearing their inauguration.
OK, you've been elected, Donald Trump. Now release your taxes and pay your fair share. It will go a long way to convincing us of your good will.
In addition, he has threatened many of us, or incited others to threaten many of us--women who are less than physically perfect in his eyes, men who aren't "winners" in a way he understands, people whose skin isn't white, and people who don't worship the way he wants them to worship. For this, he should apologize. Without an apology and a retraction of his statements, he has no moral authority (although he will have a Constitutional authority) to govern the people he has disparaged.
Donald Trump may be the President of the United States come January 20, but in many eyes, he is a small, greedy man who has no moral authority. He can change that by apologizing, reversing his statements, paying his fair share of back taxes, and convincing those of us who are waiting with open minds that he can, in fact, lead.
Good leaders don't have more than half the country fearing their inauguration.
OK, you've been elected, Donald Trump. Now release your taxes and pay your fair share. It will go a long way to convincing us of your good will.
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Anger does exist, as discontent and fear . If we had been talking about this, rather than focus on the obsessive, overwhelming way to sustain Mrs. Clinton's campaign ,perhaps we would not be on the brink of a precipice.
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You say "a heedless desire for change" propelled Trump to victory, but you ignore the power brokers - including yourselves - that gave no heed to the decades-long assault on the working and middle class. Sanders nailed this, but you ignored him - no worse! - you undercut him, and all but anointed Hillary as President before a single primary was run. Had Sanders been the nominee we would now be celebrating President-elect Sanders' victory.
No editors, it is you and the Establishment that were heedless, and now you will pay the price for that.
No editors, it is you and the Establishment that were heedless, and now you will pay the price for that.
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A massive intellectual failure by the nation's media. You glamorized his every tweet and every insult, writing pages of outrage, inviting panels of experts to comment on his every perverse ejaculation. But you never really understood what was going on in the country because it was easier for you to sit in your studios and newsrooms and pontificate. You let us down for glamor and that is exactly what we have got now. Change your methods, become real investigative journalists once again and help our democracy survive.
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You forgot the "ing" after revolt.
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This is more of the same divisive fear mongering from the NYT. Do you think you are smarter than the millions of Americans who elected him? Or do you think the majority of Americans are deplorable misogynistic racists?
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We Americans, and many millions of Italians-- as well as people born in countless other countries around the world -- are SPEECHLESS WITH SHOCK at this new reality. Donald Trump as President of the United States of America? America was once an anchor, a beacon of hope. All of us fear (with reason) that America has overnight become a joke. Povero mondo. (Poor World.)
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"President Donald Trump.....(and Giuliani, Christie and Gingrich and a conservative nominee for the Supreme Court vacancy)
have now become the future of the United States".
This is a Black Swan moment IMHO.
I have been trying to get my swans reverted (Black Swan) atop as it was after 9/11 and the Brexit vote but as you can see I have not been able to as far as I know at this time.
have now become the future of the United States".
This is a Black Swan moment IMHO.
I have been trying to get my swans reverted (Black Swan) atop as it was after 9/11 and the Brexit vote but as you can see I have not been able to as far as I know at this time.
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#REDSTATETSUNAMI in the Electoral College and I told you it was coming, but you never printed the comments?
Thanks for all the wonderful hundreds of columns praising Donald Trump!
16 years of Trump/Pence! Hope you guys are still in business! ENJOY!
Thanks for all the wonderful hundreds of columns praising Donald Trump!
16 years of Trump/Pence! Hope you guys are still in business! ENJOY!
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I've never been called a DEPLORABLE. But when I am, I am HONORED to be among the accused. STAY DEPLORABLE, MY FRIENDS!
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We are witnessing return to a virulent form of white nationalism. I feel like Im living in the 1890s and this is definitely a backlash against 8 years of an educated, dignified, Black man. Clinton was not the perfect candidate but she did not deserve the treatment she received. A significant number of white educated men and women did not support her and they clearly did not care what type of man Trump is - the first man with no record of public service, overt disrespect towards women, minorities, and clearly very little real knowledge of foreign policy. I am frightened and will be finding a way to leave this country.
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What appears to be lost in all the rhetoric about Mr. Trump is the fact that much of the population of this nation feel disenfranchised and are in fear for their fiscal lives.
We saw this in the democratic primaries where the rural areas of state after state went for Bernie Sanders only to be blocked by a coalition of the democratic elites, upper middle and upper class plutocrats in the investor class and a coalition of urban people of color allied with urban machine democrats who sought to block the Sanders Revolution's Agenda because it was lead by the white middle class and working class. Unfortunately the result is a Trump Victory.
We saw this in the democratic primaries where the rural areas of state after state went for Bernie Sanders only to be blocked by a coalition of the democratic elites, upper middle and upper class plutocrats in the investor class and a coalition of urban people of color allied with urban machine democrats who sought to block the Sanders Revolution's Agenda because it was lead by the white middle class and working class. Unfortunately the result is a Trump Victory.
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On a positive note, in February the Senate will finally advise and consent on the next Supreme Court nominee. So, we've got that working for us....
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No, stop it! Stop calling this an Apocalypse, stop quoting Martin Niemoller. Stop blaming the press and the Democratic party, stop running for Canada. We are and will remain the greatest nation on earth, no one person can change that. Have faith and take a deep breath and support our new president and take comfort in the fact in this country you can express your pain so publicly. Look at the potential positive effects a non political hack might bring to the system - either that or pack your bags and see how Canada treats you or wait four years and get off your butts and do something about it.
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I read the very same words of disbilief and contempt on the Italian left wing press 22 years ago when Berlusconi won.
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My 13 year-old daughter woke up this morning and cried when she heard what happened. How do I explain this to her?
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As of last night, we are in fact a white nationalist country. Will this be our downfall? God help us all.
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President Lincoln said "Malice toward none-charity toward all". This country survived a Civil War and two World Wars. Chill out folks-everything will be OK.
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It is somewhat interesting to read the comments from the many folks who are luxuriating in their opportunity to bash the NYT. It is also intriguing to read their gloating comments regarding the NYT being out of touch and elitist and blah blah blah.
A good portion, perhaps all, of these folks have lived lives of resenting the so-called "eggheads" in school or work or perhaps socially. They live to see those who they sense are their "betters" fail. They do so, as they have little positive in their lives to celebrate. They, like the Donald, love getting even or seeing their "betters" get their comeuppance.
They leave lives rich in resentment and bitterness and celebrate the failure of those who are attempting to improve their lives.
It is nice that they are all standing up to be recognized.
And, I can assure you every excuse, which will be unending from the Donald, as to why he is being held back by the NYT or Melania or Baron will be swallowed hook line and sinker by these folks.
A good portion, perhaps all, of these folks have lived lives of resenting the so-called "eggheads" in school or work or perhaps socially. They live to see those who they sense are their "betters" fail. They do so, as they have little positive in their lives to celebrate. They, like the Donald, love getting even or seeing their "betters" get their comeuppance.
They leave lives rich in resentment and bitterness and celebrate the failure of those who are attempting to improve their lives.
It is nice that they are all standing up to be recognized.
And, I can assure you every excuse, which will be unending from the Donald, as to why he is being held back by the NYT or Melania or Baron will be swallowed hook line and sinker by these folks.
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A "humbling blow to the news media." Right for once. The media are as corrupt as the presidential candidate they were repeatedly caught in bed with. Whether they are "humbled" is doubtful. Arrogant, out of touch, unaccountable (until last night), the media are a greater threat the the freedoms Americans cherish than Mr. Trump, or any politician for that matter, constrained by the Constitution and timely elections. Fortunately there is a robust alternative media that will make corrupt "mainstream" sources like NYT and WP marginal. You got what you deserved.
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Will the NY Times continue to devote all of its front page to bashing the President? The majority of the citizens of this country elected him in a democratic voting process yesterday. Will you not respect that process? He not only bested her in the Electoral College, he also bested her in the popular vote. The Republics won both houses of Congress.
Perhaps the NY Times is responsible for their win - perhaps people are tired of reading your one sided liberal commentary. Had you been more even tempered, the election may have turned out differently. But, so many people were tired of reading the NY Times and listening to CNN and Fox - that they voted their pocketbook. Sad, isn't it. They didn't even vote who will become the next Supreme Court Justice. The NY Times never once talked about how the uranium mines have been sold off to the Russians with the hope of the Clinton Foundation and Secretary of State two years ago.You never talked about how many jobs have been outsourced in the various sectors, now what pressures could be placed on Apple and other similar companies who have "relocated" to Ireland to avoid taxation. Why didn't you put pressure on the US Government to change their tax code to keep these companies? Instead, you turned an eye to talking solely about Trump's tax returns. You have lost touch with your readership.....
Had you been more even handed in your reporting - you might have changed the outcome in this election.
Perhaps the NY Times is responsible for their win - perhaps people are tired of reading your one sided liberal commentary. Had you been more even tempered, the election may have turned out differently. But, so many people were tired of reading the NY Times and listening to CNN and Fox - that they voted their pocketbook. Sad, isn't it. They didn't even vote who will become the next Supreme Court Justice. The NY Times never once talked about how the uranium mines have been sold off to the Russians with the hope of the Clinton Foundation and Secretary of State two years ago.You never talked about how many jobs have been outsourced in the various sectors, now what pressures could be placed on Apple and other similar companies who have "relocated" to Ireland to avoid taxation. Why didn't you put pressure on the US Government to change their tax code to keep these companies? Instead, you turned an eye to talking solely about Trump's tax returns. You have lost touch with your readership.....
Had you been more even handed in your reporting - you might have changed the outcome in this election.
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The American Dream. I guess that's all it ever was. Just a dream.
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My intrinsic core is screaming danger, fortify
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so much for pollsters and political "science."
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Here's what's really bugging the NYT editorial board: We know that, with Republicans controlling both houses of Congress, Mr. Trump would be able to restore a right-wing majority by filling the Supreme Court seat that Republican senators have held hostage for nine months. You can site your suddenly worthless data until you're blue (or perhaps now, red) in the face but that more than any other reason is why so many deplorable people like me voted for Trump. The rest is a collection of shiny objects for those who hitched their wagons to a falling political star and can't face the truth.
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The tone of your editorial sounds like you hope for failure. It is obvious you do not know the American people. They are not racists, white supremacists or anti-Semites. Actually, some big name colleges are taking a nasty turn to becoming anti-Semites, but not the Trump voters. Those were Clinton voters. I know many who likely voted for Clinton and more who likely voted for Trump, all from my community and all honest hard working people of all levels of education. One thing that all are tired of is editorials like yours calling them names. Clinton sealed her fate when she called half of this nation "Deplorable." You have the same attitude.
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Thank you, Editor, for this astute comment on the calamity of this election. Thank you for not suppressing this critical comment in light of the unfortunate victory of a candidate who remains, as President Obama said, "uniquely unqualified" to be President. As we go forward into a "future" that has become a place of fear and uncertainty, and where at least yesterday, Hate Trumped Love, I hope the New York Times continues in its reportage to give us hope that intelligent, reasoned, and compassionate governance is possible.
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Tens of millions of people voted for Donald Trump. Not all or even most of those people are racists, bigots, misogynists, or any other type of ist or ism. They are people that could not fill in the Clinton circle on a ballot. She ran one of the worst campaigns ever. Her positions in the primary changed when she began to feel the Bern. She really didn't have any message for the general campaign other than Don't vote for that crazy racist guy. What's her position on reducing healthcare premiums- Go look at my website. Student loan debt- Check my website on how to make college affordable. Did I wipe my email server? "What do you mean, like with a cloth?" She lost because people couldn't bring themselves to vote for her. Trump got fewer votes than either McCain or Romney. That isn't people voting for him. Don't put up a terribly flawed candidate and them blame Tens of Millions of voters for being racist when she loses.
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The most unprepared president-elect in modern history would be the NYT's favorite son, Barack Obama. You think decades of business experience has no significance. The President of the United States is an executive and Barack Obama never made an executive decision in his life before he entered the White House. Do you truly believe that a law professor with two state senate terms and less than a term in the U.S Senate is prepared to serve as the Chief Executive of the United States? Obama had zero practical foreign affairs experience, never had to administer a budget and never engaged in high level negotiation.
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The NYT is taking a beating in this comment section and deservedly so. If there is any chance to redeem this newspaper as a meaningful and objective news outlet it is this: the NYT must analyze, in depth, the role that Barack Obama played in creating the current political environment and last night's election results. No more "hands off". Obama was president for eight years and by far the most divisive I've seen in my lifetime. He is the leader of the Democratic Party. The NYT needs to take the blinders off and be objective about his real legacy. Never before has a sitting president with such a high approval rating on election day given way to such a huge loss for his party. His "us versus them" identity politics and condescending arrogant attitude towards those who disagree with him needs to be called out.
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We're reading a lament from the NYT editorial board, but we should be reading an apology. In increasingly perplexing times we look to the professional media for clarity and understanding. These election results have blown away any shred of credibility the NYT has when it comes to political analysis. This paper has failed us completely. Is there even any point continuing to read it?
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My parents were lifelong Republicans, not voting slavishly for all Republicans (not for Goldwater for the sample) but always leaning that way. Good, solid, God-fearing people, with no college but raising us to aim to go. All three of us did. I am so happy they both died a couple of years ago so they didn't have to see this. Mom would have fainted hearing the Access Hollywood tape.
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Could not have been ever so proud to see the results going against the elitists, and people coming together to demand accountability from public officials seeking promotion. Nobody here after will take a path of 'convenience', while jeopardizing the lives and the national secrets of this nation, without a price tag attached. Thank You America for setting the bar high.
Results maybe a surprise to many who follow this paper and its contributors, but really speaking, it was NO SURPRISE to many of us, as we predicted the three words - 'President Donald Trump,' long ago.
We will table our reasoning for now, but instead will give an opportunity to those who want to reflect upon, as to how they got it so wrong, and even contributed unknowingly, to this utterly shameful debacle.
Hopefully, they'll learn that corruption, shenanigans, favoritism, cheating and even convenience, will not be tolerated.
Results maybe a surprise to many who follow this paper and its contributors, but really speaking, it was NO SURPRISE to many of us, as we predicted the three words - 'President Donald Trump,' long ago.
We will table our reasoning for now, but instead will give an opportunity to those who want to reflect upon, as to how they got it so wrong, and even contributed unknowingly, to this utterly shameful debacle.
Hopefully, they'll learn that corruption, shenanigans, favoritism, cheating and even convenience, will not be tolerated.
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Wow, what a tirade. The folks that hold this so-called knowledge of Donald Trump will never know the thought process of the American people. They are far from your dark combination of deplorables. Only a couple of weeks ago, the NYT claimed to know to a degree of 93% that the Trump campaign would fail. Polls had been proven to be skewed with oversampling but still regurgitated by the media. Not a surprise. The populism of the non-establishment candidacies of Sanders and Trump drew support because the people wanted to elect someone who MIGHT offer a corruption-free alternative in federal politics. Also, not a surprise. That is a hope of all honest Americans. And if Trump has to jail his "political opponent" (singular) because she committed criminal acts and has been corrupted by special interest, so be it. But I doubt that will ever happen to someone as well connected as Hillary. I'm not a Trump supporter but I certainly saw this coming. You should have too.
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We have had a country that is beautiful in many ways.
But I'm afraid we have just given a Rembrandt to a hyperactive child with a handful of crayons.
But I'm afraid we have just given a Rembrandt to a hyperactive child with a handful of crayons.
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"We don’t know if he has the capacity to focus on any issue and arrive at a rational conclusion."
Seriously? You don't know if a man who built a mammoth commercial empire has the capacity to focus on issues and come to rational conclusions? Would you describe that editorial opinion as a rational conclusion based on the evidence?
Seriously? You don't know if a man who built a mammoth commercial empire has the capacity to focus on issues and come to rational conclusions? Would you describe that editorial opinion as a rational conclusion based on the evidence?
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With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
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As I listened to Hillary Clinton's speech an hour or so ago I couldn't help but wonder why couldn't make a speech like that during the campaign.
I pray that Trump and family go to Washington and stay in Washington. I have wished for years he would just disappear from New York. What I dread is that he will keep one foot in Trump Tower and continue to attract those "U-S-A" chanting slobs to to NYC.
I pray that Trump and family go to Washington and stay in Washington. I have wished for years he would just disappear from New York. What I dread is that he will keep one foot in Trump Tower and continue to attract those "U-S-A" chanting slobs to to NYC.
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When is someone going to write about the one big question that seems to have been left out of the discussion? What is going to happen to Donald Trump's various business enterprises? Who will manage them? Will he go back to them? Going back would enable him to receive benefits for past policy favors.
Marketable securities, in a blind trust, can be re-shuffled so that a President wouldn't know what his wealth is invested in. Trump could, however, benefit from his "brand" products, just by the presence of his name on them. But, the deal would be his real estate holdings.
A President could not help but to know where his various buildings--whether wholly-owned, partnerships, or he just sold the rights to use his name. Whether located domestically or in foreign markets, you can't hide large buildings and golf courses with his name plastered all over them. Nothing would be accomplished by dumping them on the market. And, turning the management over to his children would hardly shield them from his knowing What and W=here they are located.
Lastly, Donald, Jr. has said that a large portion of the revenue comes regularly from Russia. Shouldn't America know what's going on there?
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Marketable securities, in a blind trust, can be re-shuffled so that a President wouldn't know what his wealth is invested in. Trump could, however, benefit from his "brand" products, just by the presence of his name on them. But, the deal would be his real estate holdings.
A President could not help but to know where his various buildings--whether wholly-owned, partnerships, or he just sold the rights to use his name. Whether located domestically or in foreign markets, you can't hide large buildings and golf courses with his name plastered all over them. Nothing would be accomplished by dumping them on the market. And, turning the management over to his children would hardly shield them from his knowing What and W=here they are located.
Lastly, Donald, Jr. has said that a large portion of the revenue comes regularly from Russia. Shouldn't America know what's going on there?
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
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As a number of us have pointed out on the "comments" section of various columns for the last few months, you would think that the Democrats, after seeing what Trump did to all of the Republican "establishment" or status quo candidates, would have chosen to run someone other than Mrs. Clinton who, in addition to being one of the most polarizing politicians in America, was the very definition of the elitist, uncaring status quo that has been turning its back on our working class for the last 20+ years.
We might just have been waking up to President Sanders today had the DNC had a brain, a heart, and some guts.
We might just have been waking up to President Sanders today had the DNC had a brain, a heart, and some guts.
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I am sorry to see Mrs. Clinton go. She stood for things, some of which I agreed with and some I don't. But candidly, I am glad she lost: it will mean the man she promised would be her "co-president" will never again darken the door of the White House.
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The four platonic virtues:
Temperance, Prudence, Courage, Justice.
Trump and Trump voters destroyed T and P, using the lack of C showed by Republicans pundits and luminaries, all for a sense of some J.
I don't see more Justice coming their way, frankly.
Temperance, Prudence, Courage, Justice.
Trump and Trump voters destroyed T and P, using the lack of C showed by Republicans pundits and luminaries, all for a sense of some J.
I don't see more Justice coming their way, frankly.
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So sad too bad. Lots of sour grapes in the editorial page but its understandable the fair haired girl lost in one of the biggest presidential upsets in modern history.
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Depressing, yes, but if people finally realize pollsters are mere soothsayers relying on hopelessly outdated ways of reaching voters; that voters don't tell pollsters the truth (the few who bother to talk to them); and that people are like snowflakes, no two alike, not identifiable blocs or demographics; then this will have been a necessary corrective.
That, and finally putting to bed this shibboleth that money buys elections. Clinton & Jeb Bush had the best campaigns money could buy & could afford huge ad buys — both of which are more often than not fatal to a campaign.
That, and finally putting to bed this shibboleth that money buys elections. Clinton & Jeb Bush had the best campaigns money could buy & could afford huge ad buys — both of which are more often than not fatal to a campaign.
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"His victory is a humbling blow to the news media, the pollsters and the Clinton-dominated Democratic leadership." That's one of the reasons he won. Did the Founding Fathers invision a country where the media and pollsters were overwhelmingly aligned with one candidate? That fizzing sound is the balloon of the "Fourth Estate" deflating. In this election, the Press were bigger losers than the Democrats. Good.
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What does the NYT have to say about its role is squeezing out Sanders? So over-confident, like the rest of Dem establishment.
I cant say he would have won for sure, but its not clear at all he would have lost.
Republicans tried to squeeze trump out and failed, Dems tried to squeeze Sanders out and succeeded. Look what we got. Someone needs to start writing and speaking out on the institutional 2 party systems in US, its failings, and the alternatives.
I cant say he would have won for sure, but its not clear at all he would have lost.
Republicans tried to squeeze trump out and failed, Dems tried to squeeze Sanders out and succeeded. Look what we got. Someone needs to start writing and speaking out on the institutional 2 party systems in US, its failings, and the alternatives.
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I'm guessing it reveals a certain amount of white privilege when white people so quickly switch from a Never Trump stance to a "let's all come together now" one. It's easy to just move on the forget all the racism if it doesn't touch you directly.
This man needs to make ammends to women and people of color before I can "move on".
This man needs to make ammends to women and people of color before I can "move on".
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I fear for my 8 week old granddaughter's future as a citizen of the United State.
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I am amazed at some of the handwringing in these comments. Let's look at this objectively---Trump has come out against illegal immigration; what US citizen supports ILLEGAL immigration?; Trump has come out against allowing into the USA masses of mostly Muslim refugees from Middle Eastern trouble zones, who have almost nothing in common with our European-American, Judeo-Christian, heritage, and whose real intentions cannot possibly be vetted sufficiently in these slapdash, mass migrations--what US citizen would support taking these kinds of risks with our nation? (If you want to donate to private refugee groups, travel to refugee camps, etc.--please do so; but should importing hundreds of thousands of these people be national policy?) Trump has come out in favor of reorienting trade deals to make them more favorable to the US and its citizens--what US voter would want it any other way? Trump has not suggested anything like rolling back US civil rights in any way--why do people here seem to think that? (Late term abortion of a viable fetus should go away.) Trump said Obamacare has to go--who can look at its spiraling costs and problems, and think this system works? The poor are already covered by Medicaid, the elderly by Medicare--who was Obamacare even intended to help? I could go on. Trump has many shortcomings, not the least of which being his inexperience, but his positions at least in theory make sense for any US citizen hoping to make his or her lot better. Seriously.
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That the NYTimes was so viciously anti-Trump before the election -- like, who knew?
But to continue that after it is, now, President-elect Trump, is a gross disservice to the people, a spiteful reaction that can only invite continued divisiveness. We already have as much of that on our plate as we can stand; it's time to look for ways we can come together.
This is a paper of influence. Try using that influence to heal America, instead of continuing to promote your opinions with a, frankly, petulant tirade that can only tear the wound wider.
It's over. Stop whining, and do something useful.
But to continue that after it is, now, President-elect Trump, is a gross disservice to the people, a spiteful reaction that can only invite continued divisiveness. We already have as much of that on our plate as we can stand; it's time to look for ways we can come together.
This is a paper of influence. Try using that influence to heal America, instead of continuing to promote your opinions with a, frankly, petulant tirade that can only tear the wound wider.
It's over. Stop whining, and do something useful.
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Hillary and Obama have been most gracious in the goodwill they have offered to the triumphant Trump. A defeated Trump wouldn't have shown a scintilla of such cooperation and unity.
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as someone who does not have the great distinction of being American but wishes America well with all my heart, am I dismayed by the outcome of the election
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No more journalistic integrity left to abdicate, the New York Times editorial board seem satisfied to rant like the most bitter supporters of the losing candidate. The Times inner circle should take this as an opportunity to play clear-eyed watch dog and watch guard. Comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable. Instead, you raise all the most irresponsible charges against a deeply flawed man who nonetheless earned the sometimes cautious, sometimes enthusiastic votes of millions of decent, intelligent, open-minded Americans who want the best for the country - just as those people nearly all assume that you do. Perhaps after having invested so much in trying to determine the opposite outcome, the board is simply not capable of calm reflection in this moment. But the paper now has a choice: find some way to recover as an honest if liberal broker of news and analysis, or continue its slide into the type of isolation that should be reserved for fringe, boutique online opinion sites.
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It's hard to say how long he can endure the 24/7 schedule, and I expect to see a lot of golfing (but he's not Obama so it's all good), but I'm still wondering how much of a role Pence will play.
I'm hoping Trump reverts to his more liberal persona and just used Pence to get the Evangelical vote.
Perhaps it's a good sign that Trump completely forgot to mention Pence in his acceptance speech, only thanking Pence when he noticed him AFTER he had finished his speech.
Perhaps there is room for the First Amendment in a Trump Presidency after all.
I'm hoping Trump reverts to his more liberal persona and just used Pence to get the Evangelical vote.
Perhaps it's a good sign that Trump completely forgot to mention Pence in his acceptance speech, only thanking Pence when he noticed him AFTER he had finished his speech.
Perhaps there is room for the First Amendment in a Trump Presidency after all.
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As a British family man humbled to have lived/worked in the US for the past 6 years (last 4 1/2 as Green card holders), as well as previously in Asia for a 10 year period, I've found the past 18 months bewildering in many regards..not least because whilst the results directly affect my family and I as permanent residents, we couldn't actually vote. I'd respectfully offer up a few respectful observations as a pseudo-outsider:
* It was always hard to get past the fact that from a population of 320mm, were the 2 final candidates really the best that could be found?
* Paradoxically, if President elect Trump does (as one would hope) temper some of his earlier campaign rhetoric, would that not risk immediately alienating much of the support he garnered, risking (deep breath) a 2nd term?
* Senator Clinton's resume is impressive, but the United States is not some Japanese corporation of the 1970s where promotion to the top job was often expected simply by dint of longevity of service. It doesn't (and shouldn't) work that way
* The irony is that it appears any other Republican candidate would have lost, whilst any other Democratic candidate would have won
* Looking ahead as someone intending to become a citizen, it is the polarization of the respective parties (and the candidates therein) that is most concerning. Principles are one thing, but politics (like life) is so often compromise.
* It was always hard to get past the fact that from a population of 320mm, were the 2 final candidates really the best that could be found?
* Paradoxically, if President elect Trump does (as one would hope) temper some of his earlier campaign rhetoric, would that not risk immediately alienating much of the support he garnered, risking (deep breath) a 2nd term?
* Senator Clinton's resume is impressive, but the United States is not some Japanese corporation of the 1970s where promotion to the top job was often expected simply by dint of longevity of service. It doesn't (and shouldn't) work that way
* The irony is that it appears any other Republican candidate would have lost, whilst any other Democratic candidate would have won
* Looking ahead as someone intending to become a citizen, it is the polarization of the respective parties (and the candidates therein) that is most concerning. Principles are one thing, but politics (like life) is so often compromise.
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I would not let this disgusting person in my house. Why would I accept him as a "leader?" I don't. He will have to earn that acceptance. I sincerely hope he does what it takes to earn that acceptance. I truly doubt he can.
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To put it succinctly: the election of Donald Trump to the presidency is a sucker punch to democracy. Plain and simple.
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Please look at your own county-by-county electoral map. It's a sea of red. America was on the "precipice" of allowing the liberal elites of its two coasts to once again dictate to the vast majority of the country how things should work... or rather, not work. Thank god for the electoral college system. Our founding fathers at work!
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Now that the Republicans own all branches of government, they have to actually govern. Obstruction won't work anymore, and now we'll all see what their vision for America is.
No more repeals of Obamacare , no more investigations of Benghazi or email servers - you have to actually show us what you're for Republicans.
2018 and the hopefully inevitable midterm swing to the opposing party isn't that far away, and Elizabeth Warren for president in 2020 is sounding better already.
No more repeals of Obamacare , no more investigations of Benghazi or email servers - you have to actually show us what you're for Republicans.
2018 and the hopefully inevitable midterm swing to the opposing party isn't that far away, and Elizabeth Warren for president in 2020 is sounding better already.
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Let's just get these four years over with and pray that Trump is truly too incompetent to accomplish any of the damage he intends to inflict upon us. I'm confident that he won't get re-elected.
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I wanted to move to Mars last night when I clearly understood what was happening. I realized with sadness and fear that probably all of my neighbors voted for Donald Trump but on that I should not be surprised: I am in the South. But what about the rest of the country? I am shock. Heart broken beyond belief and unsure as to what to make of my idea of America and who we are. I did watch Mrs. Clinton for ideas and guidance and she did not disappoint me: cry, be strong and continue the fight. I already miss her leadership.
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We just witnessed the greatest con ever perpetrated on the greatest amount of people in our lifetime. Obama being replaced by the leader of the movement that denied his legitimacy.
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I have always realized that I live in a bubble here in the Bay Area but, I never fully realized the extent of the discontent. It seems at this point people are willing to vote against their own self interest and most decent things that many of these same people felt were important and special about being American. For what?
A promise of jobs that left a long time ago? I've got news for those people; those jobs are gone and all of those jobs that have been offshored will eventually be performed by robots, not people. So if your looking for a "Greater America" you may want to get an education in a field that is most resistant to automation.
I hope you get what you feel you want and deserve but, I hope it doesn't come at too high a price for future generations. For me, I feel we already lost and I am sick to my stomach today.
A promise of jobs that left a long time ago? I've got news for those people; those jobs are gone and all of those jobs that have been offshored will eventually be performed by robots, not people. So if your looking for a "Greater America" you may want to get an education in a field that is most resistant to automation.
I hope you get what you feel you want and deserve but, I hope it doesn't come at too high a price for future generations. For me, I feel we already lost and I am sick to my stomach today.
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The liberal media and its overwhelming liberal base is so upset with a Donald Trump win. They did not see it coming and many of us who voted for him were also very surprised. We just assumed that Hillary Clinton would carry the election and be our next president. Boy were we wrong.
You could call this the Republican revenge. Donald Trump had to endure day after day negative articles about his candidacy and his supporters were not immuned to this mean-spirited behavior either. They called him all sorts of nasty names that would never occurred towards Democratic candidates.
There is a beautiful song called "I wanna be around" which has the line "that's when I'll discover that revenge is sweet." That is what many Republicans and Trump supporters are feeling right now. You made us do it with your snide remarks and nastiness.
You could call this the Republican revenge. Donald Trump had to endure day after day negative articles about his candidacy and his supporters were not immuned to this mean-spirited behavior either. They called him all sorts of nasty names that would never occurred towards Democratic candidates.
There is a beautiful song called "I wanna be around" which has the line "that's when I'll discover that revenge is sweet." That is what many Republicans and Trump supporters are feeling right now. You made us do it with your snide remarks and nastiness.
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Doesn't the Electoral College exist to prevent incompetent nut jobs from taking over the country? Who are these people? Why have they not stood up for their fellow Americans? The Electoral College, along with the American press and the Republican Party, have failed us utterly.
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We have a comedian / social commentator named Charlie Brooker who has created a series of black comedies. They are available on your Netflix. Last year he created one episode called "The Waldo Moment". Basically, it is about an animatronic bear that spouts scatological diatribes against politicians and ultimately ends up defeating career politicians and takes over the world. It is frighteningly prescient of a Trump Presidency. Sadly, a Trump Presidency is not a piece of fiction that can be turned off. God help us all.
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I say Democrats, let's unite and look forward. Let's not at this stage cry over what could have been. Instead, let's stay focused and elect a democratic House in two years. A lot could happen in two years, but that the first opportunity we have to stop this madness.
There are also many Democratic Senators up for reelection in two years. Let us make sure we retain all those seats and pick up a few in 2018. I say keep looking forward and work hard for it with a vengeance.
There are also many Democratic Senators up for reelection in two years. Let us make sure we retain all those seats and pick up a few in 2018. I say keep looking forward and work hard for it with a vengeance.
2
Trump anti-establishment aura will last very little. He, and the unhinged republicans he is bringing with him, are now the establishment. When his chaotic half-thought promises bring instability and strife to the US it will be easy to paint them as the government against the people. This is going to finally galvanize the weakened democratic party.
It is going to hurt, but maybe this is the only way the ultra-right populist wave will die.
It is going to hurt, but maybe this is the only way the ultra-right populist wave will die.
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The conclusion is inescapable now, Bernie Sanders would have been a far more compelling candidate for the Democrats and could quite possibly have beaten Trump.
The reason is simple. Trump and Sanders were appealing to similar voters but from different ends of the room. Mainstream Democrats seemed oblivious to this reality. When this writer asked his local Democratic party officials why they were not supporting Sanders the reply was interesting "we want to support someone who is electable." What a huge mistake and now we all have to pay for such a lack of insight.
The reason is simple. Trump and Sanders were appealing to similar voters but from different ends of the room. Mainstream Democrats seemed oblivious to this reality. When this writer asked his local Democratic party officials why they were not supporting Sanders the reply was interesting "we want to support someone who is electable." What a huge mistake and now we all have to pay for such a lack of insight.
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"White-Lash" -- is a crystallization of how Obama/Hillary supporters express their revolt. They seek to racialize every issue, and play victim to every crisis.
But the rest of us, a greater majority, must not let such sentiments distract us. We must see beyond such trivializations and seek our great potential, for us, for our country.
But the rest of us, a greater majority, must not let such sentiments distract us. We must see beyond such trivializations and seek our great potential, for us, for our country.
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Here too is what we know about Mr. Trump: he is a dealmaker. That he has stated clearly it makes the matter of lying, with or without compunction, moot. He cannot lie because he does not recognize objective truth, only the truth of the deal. That changes depending on the deal at hand.
Mr. Trump has just closed a very big deal. If for his next one he seeks to be presidential as well as president then his intentions and his rhetoric will be very different; may it be so. For him, such a shift would be neither dishonest nor inconsistent; after all, this is a different deal.
Mr. Trump has just closed a very big deal. If for his next one he seeks to be presidential as well as president then his intentions and his rhetoric will be very different; may it be so. For him, such a shift would be neither dishonest nor inconsistent; after all, this is a different deal.
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As I absorb the reality of President Trump, I am upset and scared about everything he stands for. But I am surprised that I also feel a powerful anger at Hillary Clinton for allowing this to happen. She was handed the most unpopular, unqualified opponent in electoral history. Mr. Trump had D-list advisors and campaign staff, a significant fundraising deficit, and was nearly uniformly denounced in media endorsements. Yet Ms. Clinton still managed to lose. Yes, she faced a double standard. Yes, Mr. Trump had a lot of other enablers who deserve a lot of blame for the predicament our country is now in. But second only to Mr. Trump himself, this whole mess is Mrs. Clinton's fault.
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@ Joe
Or perhaps it is the fault of those who voted for Mr. Trump? Who just bought into the rhetoric and lies, remaining uninformed, & just wanting "change" without thinking about the consequences of ignorantly tossing everything out without a plan for what to do next.
Or perhaps it is the fault of those who voted for Mr. Trump? Who just bought into the rhetoric and lies, remaining uninformed, & just wanting "change" without thinking about the consequences of ignorantly tossing everything out without a plan for what to do next.
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I am an angry, well educated, professional white male. For those who are like me and who are me, the only thing we owe this president-elect is our undying enmity, hatred and opposition. To echo the words of Mitch McConnell the day after Barack Obama was sworn in, "Our only job over the next four years is to make sure he's a one term President." This wasn't a "revolt." This was merely a vote by people so filled with rage and hate, the way I feel now, they decided to support one who hates like they do. Treasonous Trump is a liar, a carnival barker, a fraud, a racist, a xenophobe and a misogynist. Never in my 71 years have I ever seen the American people go so far off the rails as to elect a pig like Treasonous Trump as President. To say I hate Donald Trump is putting it mildly. I only wish him the worst, and I will do everything I can to see that he becomes a one term president. (Small "p" on purpose.) The sooner people realize our country is in grave danger with this monster at the helm, the sooner we may be able to save it. Please imagine what kind of America we're going to have with this pig in charge, and with help from the likes of Gingrich, Giuliani and Christie. God save us all, and God please save the United States of America.
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Interesting to note that in Hillary's concession speech she emphasized the constitutional power to protect the rights of all people: a dog whistle calling attention to the possibility of impeachment perhaps? "High crimes and misdemeanors" are not a high bar: promoting waterboarding might suffice. I predict he won't last a year. Impeachment offers a firewall of protection against buyer's remorse.
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Amongst all the "unknowns" described in the article, one thing we do know. The Times editors will persist in hyperbole and fear-mongering. The editorial bears that out.
Most likely the Times will continue to base its political coverage around what it wants to be the outcome, rather than on sound analysis of the reality of the public state of mind.
It will continue to demonize those it opposes and mis-represent their views and statements.
It will continue to characterize half of this country as ignorant, racist country bumpkins rather than as humans with all the hopes and fears that come naturally to our species.
I've had enough. I'm going now, for good.
Most likely the Times will continue to base its political coverage around what it wants to be the outcome, rather than on sound analysis of the reality of the public state of mind.
It will continue to demonize those it opposes and mis-represent their views and statements.
It will continue to characterize half of this country as ignorant, racist country bumpkins rather than as humans with all the hopes and fears that come naturally to our species.
I've had enough. I'm going now, for good.
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I am glad Hillary Clinton and her family can now retire to private life and be done with the insults, humiliation, profanities and threats to her life from the candidate for our highest office and his followers. But having seen how she has been abused, what woman or even man will want to run for president as a Democrat next? Only someone of Donald Trump's character. That is perhaps the worst damage that he and his voters have done.
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I stayed up watching the returns untill 3 am. I, like many others ,watched in disbelief at the cataclysmic change . It was unexpected. The Democratic Party began to believe in all the polls and were so focused on the transition, picking out the drapes and new china that they forgot about what was most important: the voter. It was in the bag, Mrs. Clinton was walking with a purpose and swagger.
The FBI was not responsible, the Independants and wiki leaks were not responsible. Everyone was focused on the Urban and Suburban voters. It appears that the rural voters had their say. It could not have been Republican voters alone. Yes, those that stiil do not have high speed internet, cell service and public transportation available. They mattered this time. I am a liberal Democrat in a rural setting. These people are the volunteer fire fighters and EMS workers that take 4 Wheel Drives to answer the call that their neighbors need help in snow covered roads without being paid a dime. They are not the scoundrels that fire buck shot at highway signs, they pay the bills and love their families. They had their say. They believe in change but feel left out as Michael Moore eloquently and abruptly stated in a blog this morning. The rest of us stared right through them.
We are going to have to endure 4 years of this new President that is unqualified, knee jerk, racist and obnoxious to women. President Obama said it best: the sun will still come up each morning. Let's hope!
The FBI was not responsible, the Independants and wiki leaks were not responsible. Everyone was focused on the Urban and Suburban voters. It appears that the rural voters had their say. It could not have been Republican voters alone. Yes, those that stiil do not have high speed internet, cell service and public transportation available. They mattered this time. I am a liberal Democrat in a rural setting. These people are the volunteer fire fighters and EMS workers that take 4 Wheel Drives to answer the call that their neighbors need help in snow covered roads without being paid a dime. They are not the scoundrels that fire buck shot at highway signs, they pay the bills and love their families. They had their say. They believe in change but feel left out as Michael Moore eloquently and abruptly stated in a blog this morning. The rest of us stared right through them.
We are going to have to endure 4 years of this new President that is unqualified, knee jerk, racist and obnoxious to women. President Obama said it best: the sun will still come up each morning. Let's hope!
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This editorial missed the key fact that Donald Trump is a very rich man. With few exceptions, very wealthy people do not rock the boat, they like the system that got them and or kept them rich. We will see if that holds true.
The next key step will be to see who gets appointed to the cabinet. Although I read the NY Times regularly I can't remember one article that speculated about or profiled people who might be in the cabinet. Is that a journalistic failure, was the question never even asked? Elections, particularly at th Presidential level, are not just about individuals, they are about policy.
The next key step will be to see who gets appointed to the cabinet. Although I read the NY Times regularly I can't remember one article that speculated about or profiled people who might be in the cabinet. Is that a journalistic failure, was the question never even asked? Elections, particularly at th Presidential level, are not just about individuals, they are about policy.
I believe we all need to give Mr. Trump the respect he deserves. He fought an uphill battle all this time, and yet the American people were determined that he was the right man for the job. I believe, looking at his success as an owner of a multi-million dollar corporation, he HAS what it takes to run our government. I am also relieved that he will enforce our immigration laws, close our porous borders, restrict middle eastern immigration (Trojan horses, possible), help our veterans, help our economy, create trade that is more fair, and ensure our country has a Supreme Court that adheres to our Constitution.
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No, no folks. The real tragedy here is that Trump said and did anything, with reckless abandon, no matter the truth or practicality or analytic understanding, to garner support in the country. It paid off for him, and him alone, achieving the Ultimate Prize from his believing audience.
But he will not, ever, fulfill even one-tenth of his extreme, attention-getting pledges. He never intended to. He was always, and is still, a Con Man.
That is the tragedy of this election: we are again sold down the river.
But he will not, ever, fulfill even one-tenth of his extreme, attention-getting pledges. He never intended to. He was always, and is still, a Con Man.
That is the tragedy of this election: we are again sold down the river.
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Wonder why republicans win elections and democrats don't? It's because republicans view any election they lose as illegitimate.
I view the Nov. 8, 2016 presidential election as illegitimate. I refuse to accept the results.
I don't have any faith in democrats. I do, however, have a great deal of confidence in my rifle. The reckoning is coming.
I view the Nov. 8, 2016 presidential election as illegitimate. I refuse to accept the results.
I don't have any faith in democrats. I do, however, have a great deal of confidence in my rifle. The reckoning is coming.
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Not the people, not the politicians, not the media could see what was coming. The horse-blinders were put on by all in rejection of the unthinkable. It`s a human reaction, but this is politics, and as it turned out to be, a smashing victory for the deaf, dumb and blind. With both senate and house at his service, Trump will manage to get away with obvious conflict of interest regarding the name-carrying participation in every tower and hotel in which, regardless of percentage he owns. And who in congress do you think will make him reveal his tax returns?
Even as a democrat voting without a palatable second choice, I would not have voted for Trump, but America got what it deserved.
Mourn or rejoice! JF
Even as a democrat voting without a palatable second choice, I would not have voted for Trump, but America got what it deserved.
Mourn or rejoice! JF
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Average Americans have borne the brunt of Republicans and Democrats in our government since the time of Ronald Reagan.
Hillary Clinton represented the status quo, and Donald Trump has been on both sides of pretty much every issue, so the desperate, left behind took a chance out of desperation.
What else could they do?
Hillary Clinton represented the status quo, and Donald Trump has been on both sides of pretty much every issue, so the desperate, left behind took a chance out of desperation.
What else could they do?
We have owned a condo in Orlando for 6 years, buying at the lowest point after the housing crash while the Canadian dollar was also at par. Since then we have taken vacations at our condo at least three times per year. Other friends and family have also used our condo over the years. I can't calculate the amount of money we have contributed to the economy but my guess it's substantial when you include meals, entertainment, attractions, car rentals, shopping etc. There are also all of the condo expenses (we have a management company) including local and county taxes, insurance, maintenance and repairs, cleaning fees for maids, condo fees and more.
As of this morning we have very reluctantly been in contact with our real estate agent about putting the condo up for sale. My wife and I do not wish to visit or contribute to the economy of a country that has seemingly turned its back on basic equality of human beings because of their sex, religion, race or sexual orientation.
As of this morning we have very reluctantly been in contact with our real estate agent about putting the condo up for sale. My wife and I do not wish to visit or contribute to the economy of a country that has seemingly turned its back on basic equality of human beings because of their sex, religion, race or sexual orientation.
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Donald Trump may be a disaster but early on he had certain true insights. First, at the initial Republican debated he pointed to each of the other Republican candidates and said: "you are all bought and paid for". And that struct home. Deep. Then more that once he outed GW Bush. That presidency was a disaster he told Jeb. The cable and network news were played as the reality show for money game they are. The divide between the middle class and then elites was put in emotional not logical terms. That was extremely effective. All those who are comfortable with a plus better take note. There is more than a rhetorical connection between Trump and Sanders. The farmers are coming with the pitchforks. They are manipulated and unsophisticated but they are very angry. Government. Globalization and giant corporation beware. There is probably a disaster coming. But it is not caused by Trump or the enraged middle class. Rather the elites selfish for their own gain have brought this on themselves. But sad to say, the major brunt of this will fall on the average person. But look up when you are pointing the finger.
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OK everyone... take a deep breath. We over emphasize the role of the president as if her were king or something. During the campaign promise after promise is made and promise after promise is broken after the candidate is elected. Look at Obama's legacy. It's one of being blocked by the republicans in the Senate which used their 40% majority to block everything during Obama's early presidency. The democrats are capable of playing the same game.
The fact is, our future is very precarious not by Obama's making, or because Trump is president elect, but because we have been pushing 40 years of central bank involvement in our markets starting with Reagan back in the '80s. We have been forming a massive block of wealth controlled by very few and this will eventually explode. 2008 was just a tremor. We doubled down on our global central bank intervention to hold up the financial house of cards since 2008 and all it did was push up the high end market in art, high rise luxury real estate across globalized metro centers, (London, NYC, Vancouver, San Francisco, etc.) even the exotic car industry has sold more of its exotics than ever before. Cartels have been formed in all industries, transportation, communications, entertainment, health care... Billions have been raised by cheap fed paper to fund the mergers. Where is this all going to end?
It may end up throwing up all over Trump's presidency....
Well see. In the mean time, I have to get back to my day job....
The fact is, our future is very precarious not by Obama's making, or because Trump is president elect, but because we have been pushing 40 years of central bank involvement in our markets starting with Reagan back in the '80s. We have been forming a massive block of wealth controlled by very few and this will eventually explode. 2008 was just a tremor. We doubled down on our global central bank intervention to hold up the financial house of cards since 2008 and all it did was push up the high end market in art, high rise luxury real estate across globalized metro centers, (London, NYC, Vancouver, San Francisco, etc.) even the exotic car industry has sold more of its exotics than ever before. Cartels have been formed in all industries, transportation, communications, entertainment, health care... Billions have been raised by cheap fed paper to fund the mergers. Where is this all going to end?
It may end up throwing up all over Trump's presidency....
Well see. In the mean time, I have to get back to my day job....
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The people wanted change and Clinton’s establishment and neo-liberal approach was rejected in an indecent campaign of the victor. His supporters were serious, though did not everything literal unlike the pundits and forecasters who laughed at him and took him literal.
Given that he is not beholden to special interests he could perhaps develop a vision and strategy to fundamentally change America’s and the world’s financial and monetary system. He could fulfill his promises of good jobs by engaging in a grand infrastructure program that would be financed, not so much by debts to the privately owned banking systems, but by public financing as is done in North Dakota and other place around the world.
Together with many of his Republican colleagues who want to return to the gold standard in order to avoid the debasement of the U.S. dollar he might start raising the issue of a carbon monetary standard such as the specific tonnage of CO2e per person proposed in Verhagen 2012 "The Tierra Solution: Resolving the climate crisis through monetary transformation”. The conceptual, institutional, ethical and strategic dimensions of such carbon-based international monetary system are updated at www.timun.net. Though he still supposedly thinks that the looming climate catastrophe is a hoax (used as a campaign attraction?) he together with Republican climate change deniers will have to face the reality of a climate-constrained 21st Century.
Given that he is not beholden to special interests he could perhaps develop a vision and strategy to fundamentally change America’s and the world’s financial and monetary system. He could fulfill his promises of good jobs by engaging in a grand infrastructure program that would be financed, not so much by debts to the privately owned banking systems, but by public financing as is done in North Dakota and other place around the world.
Together with many of his Republican colleagues who want to return to the gold standard in order to avoid the debasement of the U.S. dollar he might start raising the issue of a carbon monetary standard such as the specific tonnage of CO2e per person proposed in Verhagen 2012 "The Tierra Solution: Resolving the climate crisis through monetary transformation”. The conceptual, institutional, ethical and strategic dimensions of such carbon-based international monetary system are updated at www.timun.net. Though he still supposedly thinks that the looming climate catastrophe is a hoax (used as a campaign attraction?) he together with Republican climate change deniers will have to face the reality of a climate-constrained 21st Century.
As a Sanders' "deadender" (I wear that label proudly) I swallowed my pride and disgust and grudgingly voted for HRC. My rationale was to avoid the unthinkable disaster of a Trump presidency. Well, last night that put the kabosh on that one and laid to rest any semblance of a progressive majority in congress. In retrospect, when you look at the sad events of the last 15 months, it only reinforces the view that both the RNC and DNC time and time again sold out their own constituents in favor of money and power. Had they been looking out for the best interests of the citizens of our great country, rather than dialing for dollars and pandering to the donor class, I believe there wouldn't have been a need for either Donald or Bernie. Unfortunately for America and much of the world, neither party even had a clue that so many of their supporters were more than disgruntled with the money-machine politics our governing (ruling) class bestowed on us. Bernie was on target when he said he was the only one who could triumph over the Donald.
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So many lament the election of Trump without introspection. What role have we all, as individuals, played in the state of politics today?
Last night I was shocked at the incredible polarization of the electorate as the results rolled in, with neighboring precincts that would again and again skew heavily for either one candidate or the other. How can we think and feel so differently? Do we even live in the same country?
The answer is that we in many ways don't. In this, technology has become the enabler. The Internet, rather than connecting us, has allowed different groups to ensconce themselves in independent echo-chambers of beliefs and values. Speech and thought are becoming more exclusive rather than inclusive. More and more, we choose to live intellectually, socially and culturally with those who are more like ourselves.
We need to recognize that there is a real problem in our country with our individual capacity to listen to and care for our fellow Americans, never mind to commune with each other, to live together and love one another. When we start doing this again, then perhaps the politics of inclusion, which brought about such monumental shifts in our country's history as the civil rights movement, will return to the fore. Until then, don't blame Trump. He simply recognized and rode the wave of intolerance to get elected.
Last night I was shocked at the incredible polarization of the electorate as the results rolled in, with neighboring precincts that would again and again skew heavily for either one candidate or the other. How can we think and feel so differently? Do we even live in the same country?
The answer is that we in many ways don't. In this, technology has become the enabler. The Internet, rather than connecting us, has allowed different groups to ensconce themselves in independent echo-chambers of beliefs and values. Speech and thought are becoming more exclusive rather than inclusive. More and more, we choose to live intellectually, socially and culturally with those who are more like ourselves.
We need to recognize that there is a real problem in our country with our individual capacity to listen to and care for our fellow Americans, never mind to commune with each other, to live together and love one another. When we start doing this again, then perhaps the politics of inclusion, which brought about such monumental shifts in our country's history as the civil rights movement, will return to the fore. Until then, don't blame Trump. He simply recognized and rode the wave of intolerance to get elected.
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Ok chicken littles relax. I did not support Trump but he is PT Barnum. A showman using his wares to get elected. He is not as extreme as he portrayed on the campaign trail. He is no different than any other politician who would say anything to get elected. I just bet he is going to get along with the democrats better than his republicans. He is beholden to know one especially the republican party. People love that.
People are sick of politicians, that is how he got elected. Hilary Clinton's pin head ivy league educated advisors forgot to include all the rural and middle and upper middle class people in small and medium size towns in the mid west, in their polling. Pure arrogance. They took those people for granted.
Those towns are full of educated small business owners, farmers, doctors, lawyers, ministers etc. and working class whites, that absolutely hate political correctness, anti cop fever, Common core standards, Washington DC in general, the media, and the large institutions of America like Wells Fargo, the airlines and Wall Street. 99% of them are wonderful people but they are not progressives they are populists. Just like the populists of the end of the 1800's. All your would have to do is spend 5 minutes in my parents wonderful home town of River Falls Wisconsin to know that. These people are not homophobic, not anti abortion, not anti women, they are social moderates and fiscal conservatives and hated the Iraq war. They vote both parties.
People are sick of politicians, that is how he got elected. Hilary Clinton's pin head ivy league educated advisors forgot to include all the rural and middle and upper middle class people in small and medium size towns in the mid west, in their polling. Pure arrogance. They took those people for granted.
Those towns are full of educated small business owners, farmers, doctors, lawyers, ministers etc. and working class whites, that absolutely hate political correctness, anti cop fever, Common core standards, Washington DC in general, the media, and the large institutions of America like Wells Fargo, the airlines and Wall Street. 99% of them are wonderful people but they are not progressives they are populists. Just like the populists of the end of the 1800's. All your would have to do is spend 5 minutes in my parents wonderful home town of River Falls Wisconsin to know that. These people are not homophobic, not anti abortion, not anti women, they are social moderates and fiscal conservatives and hated the Iraq war. They vote both parties.
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I really believe that people didn't vote for Trump as much as they voted against business as usual for the political elite. Outside of the west and east coasts, people are hurting, loosing their livelihoods to forces they don't understand and can't control. Hillary Clinton was the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have chosen as their nominee. I believe that any Republican would have beat her in this election, but the fact that Trump was antiestablishment and she IS the establishment embodied as flesh didn't help. Bernie Sanders would have made this a more interesting race in the upper midwest and may have prevailed in the end. Trump and Sanders had similar positions on trade that won over the out of work rustbelt workers, while Clinton is seen as a proponent of free trade and globalism that sent their jobs away. In the end this may be a wakeup call to the political elite not to underestimate the anger of the common folk, they turned out in force this election and made their votes count.
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This opinion listed a number of basic things "We Don't Know". My question is... "Why don't we know?" And, my answer is... "We don't know because the media didn't try hard enough to find the answers on our behalf before now". I really, really tried to find even-keeled coverage of Trump, his positions, and his supporters - I came up empty. It seems that every opportunity the media had to cover Trump, it chose the low-hanging fruit, presenting the most outrageous, obnoxious sound/video bite they could find. No doubt they met their deadline, at the cost of a valuable reporting. This election demanded more investigative investment than the media was willing to make. Interestingly, it may not have been just a disservice to me and other readers. It may have inadvertently harmed the Clinton campaign by giving them the false sense of security that they could best a buffoon. Even worse, the easy, distasteful video/sound bites obscured their view just like it did mine. Had higher-level reporting been done, the issues and emotions of importance to the electorate that swept Trump into office would have been revealed in time for the Clinton campaign to course correct.
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Over 25 years progressive elites economic policy was to expand government and clean knowledge industries and discourage dirty extraction and manufacturing industries. During the last eight years they decided to rely on temporary executive orders and administrative regulation to avoid having to compromise with Republicans in Congress. Throughout this transformation the adverse affects on economic prospects for 100 million blue collar voters were denied, disregarded, and spun to them as "their new normal" destiny. Blue collar rank and file correctly perceived this elite spin as "let them eat cake". So of course they responded when Trump advocated a strategy of restoring high paying manufacturing and mining jobs to the US. The hard part will be to responsibly reverse much of the $2.6 Trillion in Federal regulation that renders our manufacturing non-competitive; we've become the highest cost domicile in a highly globalized economy. Making our business taxes and regulatory regimes competitive again, will be a full first-term project.
These changes will be opposed by conservative forces within Congress and the media, but as we all know stodgy, unimaginative conservatives are always an obstacle to moving forward.
These changes will be opposed by conservative forces within Congress and the media, but as we all know stodgy, unimaginative conservatives are always an obstacle to moving forward.
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The sad part is that our representative democracy worked. That makes me have to question the major downside to democracy. I suppose if trump fails spectacularly, as I expect him to, will we survive it and will there be a peaceful democratic transition. That may be the ultimate test of democracy.
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We are a Republic not a Democracy.
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The worst for me is the realization that in my community, I am surrounded by a majority of people who actually voted for this totally unqualified and repellent candidate. I don't know who I can talk with any more, or which ones of my neighbors are the ones who prefer a candidate who has no respect for factual information, truth, other people, the rule of law and the Constitution, who would rather have a narcissistic blowhard with literally no qualifications except a dubious "celebrity," to one of the most experienced and best-prepared candidates ever. But maybe we are starting to see the beginning of the end. No republican form of government has ever lasted forever. Look what happened to the Roman Republic - they fell into deep divisions of the social fabric, discord, then civil war, then dictatorship and finally a corrupt imperial system that eventually collapsed. It could, indeed, if history tells us anything, it probably will happen to us, sooner or later.
I'm trying to imagine Donald Trump reading through reams of briefing papers or reports, and getting enough information out of them to make good decisions, but it seems very unlikely that will happen. He will probably run his administration like he ran his campaign, off the cuff, shooting his mouth off, with family members, amateurs and a few rag-tag sycophants being his chief advisors.
I'm trying to imagine Donald Trump reading through reams of briefing papers or reports, and getting enough information out of them to make good decisions, but it seems very unlikely that will happen. He will probably run his administration like he ran his campaign, off the cuff, shooting his mouth off, with family members, amateurs and a few rag-tag sycophants being his chief advisors.
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As a non-resident US citizen, I probably have little right to say it, since I won't directly have to live with it, but as of January 20th, Mr. Trump and the Republicans will "own" all the problems of the country. They will blame the Democrats, but that will play for only so long. Then it will be time to deliver. They will have to build the wall (and make Mexico pay for it). To them will fall the job of deporting 11 million undocumented persons and dealing with the resulting human and economic fallout. They will have to deny Muslims entry, only to discover that they have betrayed the hopes of millions and still are not safe.
They will have to disengage from longstanding commitments abroad, with consequences we cannot yet imagine. They will have to build Keystone, bring back coal, tear up the Paris Accords and "own" the resulting damage to earth's climate. They will have to find ways of rebuilding long-departed domestic industries, while still providing the cheap goods to which US consumers have become addicted.
To Mr. Trump and the Republicans will belong all the problems vexing the US, since Democrats won't be able -- nor should they try -- to stop them.
Finally, how long will it be before "establishment" Republicans who denounced Mr. Trump come crawling back to him? How will they justify working with a man they so recently and roundly denounced? And should they actually take the high road, I see further chaos for the party of Lincoln.
Interesting times.
They will have to disengage from longstanding commitments abroad, with consequences we cannot yet imagine. They will have to build Keystone, bring back coal, tear up the Paris Accords and "own" the resulting damage to earth's climate. They will have to find ways of rebuilding long-departed domestic industries, while still providing the cheap goods to which US consumers have become addicted.
To Mr. Trump and the Republicans will belong all the problems vexing the US, since Democrats won't be able -- nor should they try -- to stop them.
Finally, how long will it be before "establishment" Republicans who denounced Mr. Trump come crawling back to him? How will they justify working with a man they so recently and roundly denounced? And should they actually take the high road, I see further chaos for the party of Lincoln.
Interesting times.
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Like most NYT readers, I am shocked and saddened beyond belief by the result. But what I find most frightening is not the demagogue President-elect, but rather, the man next in line for the office.
For all of Mr. Trump's truly hateful and shameless qualities, having a firm, guiding principle regarding public policy and governing is not one of them. No one can guess how Mr. Trump will pivot once in power; I doubt he himself knows.
Mike Pence, however, has a long history of public service with a consistent stance against women's rights, LGTQ rights, environmental protection, gun control and a basic intolerance towards anyone outside his narrow minded, anachronistic way of life.
On a policy level, we have no idea what a Trump presidency will ultimately look like, but a Pence one is entirely predictable. I, for one, am rooting for Mr. Trump to serve his term in full and am praying that he ignore his direct successor at every step.
For all of Mr. Trump's truly hateful and shameless qualities, having a firm, guiding principle regarding public policy and governing is not one of them. No one can guess how Mr. Trump will pivot once in power; I doubt he himself knows.
Mike Pence, however, has a long history of public service with a consistent stance against women's rights, LGTQ rights, environmental protection, gun control and a basic intolerance towards anyone outside his narrow minded, anachronistic way of life.
On a policy level, we have no idea what a Trump presidency will ultimately look like, but a Pence one is entirely predictable. I, for one, am rooting for Mr. Trump to serve his term in full and am praying that he ignore his direct successor at every step.
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Demagogue watch for the next 4 years. However, the system of checks and balances that has worked well in our country should continue to mitigate the potentially harmful actions of this thus far thoughtless and extremely cynical person. The advances in civil rights, gender equality and many other social issues will probably take many steps back, but hopefully not fall of the cliff. We can hope can't we?
As for the economic fallout and wall building etc - those things will not happen despite the best attempts of Mr. Trump. Even he should be sensible enough (hope springs eternal again) to know that certain things if enacted will land his own dear demographic in trouble.
Now we have 4 years to go undo this mess. Let the repair work start today. Foolproof the system so that a man like this will never again slip through the cracks.
As for the economic fallout and wall building etc - those things will not happen despite the best attempts of Mr. Trump. Even he should be sensible enough (hope springs eternal again) to know that certain things if enacted will land his own dear demographic in trouble.
Now we have 4 years to go undo this mess. Let the repair work start today. Foolproof the system so that a man like this will never again slip through the cracks.
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I'm astonished that Trump won, sad that I didnt' wake up to be able to celebrate the first woman president. There are protests in the streets in my area, people are yelling, "He is not my president". I feel confused -- in my local area, where things went further to the left in many results, and yet in the national results, Republicans gained strength.
I'm a Democrat and voted for Hillary, but all along I've been angered by progressives' facile dismissal of Trump supporters, the way that people in my area willingly dismiss half the population of the USA as "racist, stupid people". That's unacceptable to me -- to suggest that people have voted for Trump because they are full of hate or lacking intelligence. Progressives have been increasingly dismissive, myopic and self-righteous, and yes --- overly politically correct, even sickeningly politically correct -- and this has got to stop. The middle of America, the place we can come to try to work together, is not located between the extreme socialist left and the liberal-progressive left -- as too many seem to think. You cannot just write off 50 milliion people, Republicans, the white working class, and the disenfranchised rural poor, who see urban progressives making trailer park jokes about them. We have got to stop alienating these people, who now have spoken so powerfully.
I would like to see a Trump presidency humble the smug liberal elite, and then I'd like to see us all work together.
I'm a Democrat and voted for Hillary, but all along I've been angered by progressives' facile dismissal of Trump supporters, the way that people in my area willingly dismiss half the population of the USA as "racist, stupid people". That's unacceptable to me -- to suggest that people have voted for Trump because they are full of hate or lacking intelligence. Progressives have been increasingly dismissive, myopic and self-righteous, and yes --- overly politically correct, even sickeningly politically correct -- and this has got to stop. The middle of America, the place we can come to try to work together, is not located between the extreme socialist left and the liberal-progressive left -- as too many seem to think. You cannot just write off 50 milliion people, Republicans, the white working class, and the disenfranchised rural poor, who see urban progressives making trailer park jokes about them. We have got to stop alienating these people, who now have spoken so powerfully.
I would like to see a Trump presidency humble the smug liberal elite, and then I'd like to see us all work together.
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Actually the people did speak yesterday, and by popular vote selected Hillary Clinton for POTUS, not unlike how they selected Al Gore in 2000. The archaic Electoral College was placed in the original constitution to accommodate how the states would select those to be part of the Electoral College which would then meet in early December to elect the president. The first application of this in 1788 resulted in only 6 of the 13 states holding a popular vote for such electors. The others just appointed them in a convention. But for most of our history the election of POTUS has been by the winner of the popular vote with only a few exceptions, none of which worked out that well- 2000 being the most recent example. So to usurp the comic John Oliver, "Why is this thing still a thing?"
I did not support Mr. Trump. But as the postmortems commence, it will be interesting to see if the press engages in any introspection. If this piece is any indication, it will not.
This election was a repudiation of America's institutions, and none more so than the press. Those of us who have had the good fortune to attend elite universities look down our noses at the working-class white voters who delivered this election to Trump. Our condescension is barely concealed - and Trump's supporters feel it. Meanwhile, these voters watched as their institutions - the government, the press, Hollywood - jumped out of their shoes to address the (very real and legitimate) issues facing interest groups who lived far away from these rural working-class people. Had our institutions shown a modicum of solicitousness toward the white working class - had they acknowledged that their burdens were heavy; their concerns legitimate; their dreams worthy of respect - we never would have had a President Trump.
Instead of engaging in introspection, this op-ed throws a temper tantrum. Yet with every smug editorial, with every snarky meme we post on social media, with every bit of in-group virtue-signalling, we've been telling rural and working-class voters that their concerns are unworthy of respect. How did we think they would react?
This was a primal scream. We must react with respect and understanding - not condescension and temper tantrums. Op-eds like this get us off to a bad start.
This election was a repudiation of America's institutions, and none more so than the press. Those of us who have had the good fortune to attend elite universities look down our noses at the working-class white voters who delivered this election to Trump. Our condescension is barely concealed - and Trump's supporters feel it. Meanwhile, these voters watched as their institutions - the government, the press, Hollywood - jumped out of their shoes to address the (very real and legitimate) issues facing interest groups who lived far away from these rural working-class people. Had our institutions shown a modicum of solicitousness toward the white working class - had they acknowledged that their burdens were heavy; their concerns legitimate; their dreams worthy of respect - we never would have had a President Trump.
Instead of engaging in introspection, this op-ed throws a temper tantrum. Yet with every smug editorial, with every snarky meme we post on social media, with every bit of in-group virtue-signalling, we've been telling rural and working-class voters that their concerns are unworthy of respect. How did we think they would react?
This was a primal scream. We must react with respect and understanding - not condescension and temper tantrums. Op-eds like this get us off to a bad start.
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The US has been "on a precipice" for decades. A personal attack, as in the editorial, on Trump fails to mention Clinton's war/confrontation impulse, the Clintons $100M+ earnings from speeches, etc., her brazen contempt for transparency--in sum, a rather unbalanced account. A few of us, while equally condemning Trump, nevertheless recognize his moderation in international politics, while Clinton of pure Cold War vintage. I hardly thinkTrump would or could be worse, Clinton the logical extension of Obama's signature, armed drones for targeted assassination. The Democrats have turned upside down the policies and values of FDR and the New Deal. The party deserves its defeat.
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Sorry, NYTimes, America needs change. Stop allowing Free Trade and illegals to decimate jobs and taxes for America, end the 'reverse-racism' that has avoiding facing the reality of how self-destructive African-American behaviors are, stop interfering in every other nations' business, stop holding Israel's hand - while it makes Muslims everywhere our enemies.
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The American Voter and President Elect Trump, brought the main stream media, the pundit class and Democrats to heel.
This is an extinction level event to the current generation of Democrats and pundits.
The NYT was writing obituaries for the party that now controls the White House, the House of Representatives, the US Senate, the US Supreme Court, and a huge majority of state legislatures and governorships.
How clueless and wrong can they be inside their bubbles and echo chambers.
This is an extinction level event to the current generation of Democrats and pundits.
The NYT was writing obituaries for the party that now controls the White House, the House of Representatives, the US Senate, the US Supreme Court, and a huge majority of state legislatures and governorships.
How clueless and wrong can they be inside their bubbles and echo chambers.
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Trump spoke to the common man and women. He and his voters rejected the Left's assertion that this country can never be great. They rejected the elitist take over of the country in the form of bad trade deals, open borders, globalization and big government. Unfortunately those in power are so out of touch with the values, wants and needs of the middle and working classes. The policies of the last decade have not been made to empower the country, they have been mainly to enrich those in power. Hillary was the epitome of the ruling elite; no one could seriously believe that her policies would improve the life of the common man, of the middle and working classes.
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I stand with those urging unity. We must begin to recalibrate our perception of "we". Did "we" want this outcome? We know the answer to that question, and so continuing to grind the gears of incredulity only engenders frustration, bafflement, and, plainly, hate. "We" are now the fighting minority in this country, and it's time to fight smart. Continuing a stubborn assault on our president-elect's campaign style is unhelpful, both politically, and journalistically. This publication has informed this reader every day for decades, and so I ask very respectfully that The Times, and particularly it's Editorial Board, exercise some humility, which might begin with a column entitled: "How We Got This So Wrong".
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First, I supported Bernie Sanders, and would not have, under any circumstance, supported Hillary or Trump.
Regardless, I now support the incontrovertible fact that Mr. Trump secured the popular vote, and received 279 electoral college votes, so far.
America has spoken, loudly, and has repudiated the status quo establishment which Obama, and Hillary epitomized.
And still you seek to keep up the attack on the people, denigrating them with all manner of not so veiled references.
We are a great nation, thanks to the hard work and loyalty of our people, meaning the poor and the middle-class, which you, your elite masters, and the corporate owned government you serve, sought to drive into penury and economic slavery.
The People didn't vote for Trump; they voted en mass against all of you, and none of you, perched high in your ivory towers, had the wherewithal to see it coming at you, and now its too late.
There are none so blind as they who will not see.
Regardless, I now support the incontrovertible fact that Mr. Trump secured the popular vote, and received 279 electoral college votes, so far.
America has spoken, loudly, and has repudiated the status quo establishment which Obama, and Hillary epitomized.
And still you seek to keep up the attack on the people, denigrating them with all manner of not so veiled references.
We are a great nation, thanks to the hard work and loyalty of our people, meaning the poor and the middle-class, which you, your elite masters, and the corporate owned government you serve, sought to drive into penury and economic slavery.
The People didn't vote for Trump; they voted en mass against all of you, and none of you, perched high in your ivory towers, had the wherewithal to see it coming at you, and now its too late.
There are none so blind as they who will not see.
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Well I'm a 'people' that didn't vote for Trump, but congratulations notwithstanding, and I sincerely hope that your self-described populist anger doesn't amount to having cut off your nose to spite your face.
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The Donald has said many people are asking about reopening Trump U. As I read the comments section I have a feeling he might well start with the folks who are rejoicing in his elevation from Fraud to president.
I believe that they will get an education from Trump U which they richly deserve.
I believe that they will get an education from Trump U which they richly deserve.
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My only question is, in a Trump America, how do you know when you are being lied to. The lies and liars have won this one. When will the lying stop?
How will you know when Trump says he will do something, will it mean he will do it or its a maybe or just sarcasm?
His side has used the oft repeated lie as a battle flag. Did his voters know that.
I think they might be in for a wake-up call.
King coal is dead. Micro-chips have your jobs. The very wealthy will get their tax breaks (and more wealthy) and the common man will see nothing but more of the same from the GOP. The climate will continue to heat up. The sea level will rise. The sun will come up tomorrow, over a changed nation.
Not by any necessity an improved nation. Just changed.
How will you know when Trump says he will do something, will it mean he will do it or its a maybe or just sarcasm?
His side has used the oft repeated lie as a battle flag. Did his voters know that.
I think they might be in for a wake-up call.
King coal is dead. Micro-chips have your jobs. The very wealthy will get their tax breaks (and more wealthy) and the common man will see nothing but more of the same from the GOP. The climate will continue to heat up. The sea level will rise. The sun will come up tomorrow, over a changed nation.
Not by any necessity an improved nation. Just changed.
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Yes.
America wanted and needed change.
Average Americans suffered while Republicans and Democrats diddled.
The world is changing. The rich are getting richer while everyone else sinks.
People had to vote for change. At this point, Donald Trump was the only choice.
It is doubtful that Donald Trump will be the change needed, but at least we can go from here.
America wanted and needed change.
Average Americans suffered while Republicans and Democrats diddled.
The world is changing. The rich are getting richer while everyone else sinks.
People had to vote for change. At this point, Donald Trump was the only choice.
It is doubtful that Donald Trump will be the change needed, but at least we can go from here.
Hillary Clinton lost it to the populist and change zeitgeist with her stay the course platform. With her meme, 'I'm With Her', she lost it to identity politics. By not making the Supreme Court nominations a front and center issue, she lost it to the evangelicals and anti-abortion and pro-gun niche voters who voted for Trump because he promised them Scalia-like conservative replacements. By engaging in ad hominem "basket of deplorables" mudslinging, she alienated and denigrated a large swath of the electorate. She fronted with the elitist hubris of the Democratic aristocracy and was ultimately uninspiring as a politician. You could've had an authentic change progressive who appealed to millions of the disaffected independents and non-voting youth in addition to the normal Democrats: Senator Bernie Sanders. Bernie kept his word and stumped energetically and full-time for Hillary.
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Half the country is not dismayed, panicked, or losing sleep over a Trump Presidency.
The other half has jammed the Canadian immigration website.
Clearly, we didn't know our own neighbors.
Now comes the hard part.
When they come for our Muslim neighbors, will we act?
When they come for our Mexican neighbors, will we act?
Who will act, when they come for us?
The other half has jammed the Canadian immigration website.
Clearly, we didn't know our own neighbors.
Now comes the hard part.
When they come for our Muslim neighbors, will we act?
When they come for our Mexican neighbors, will we act?
Who will act, when they come for us?
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Thanks, Debbie Wasserman and the old Democratic establishment and super delegate system, for giving us a candidate that we couldn't believe in. Without your manipulation of the New York State and California's votes, we would have had a candidate we COULD have believed in and voted for. The "Party" is responsible for this fiasco. Look to yourselves for some self-examination. You are out-of-touch. Clean house.
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Yesterday I shared my thoughts, but they were not posted, maybe because I was critical of the NYT. So trying again, I am disgusted by the press…..the New York Times, in particular. As the national paper of record it is looked to for guidance. Inexplicably you went after Hillary ferociously over the emails (suggesting that she would be indicted) and darkly questioning the Clinton Foundation. This helped set the national perspective that Hillary was fundamentally dishonest……you were the Republican’s stooges. And it worked. Most Americans, by a long shot, believe that Trump is more honest than Clinton!!!! I wish I understood why you would have taken this tack.
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"His victory is a humbling blow to the news media, the pollsters and the Clinton-dominated Democratic leadership."
More important, it is a crushing defeat for pluralism, inclusiveness, and respect at home, and America's status in the world. Yes, we need to find ways to unify and heal. But constitutional liberties must not be abandoned in the process. Healing must not happen at the expense of 50-plus years of slow progress toward racial and gender equality, marriage equality, rights for disabled people, compassionate treatment of immigrants, and similar advances toward the fulfillment of our country's ideals.
Trump's victory is also a rebuke of the failure of college-educated elites to communicate empathy for the genuine pain of white working-class Americans. There are numerous reasons to reject Trump's simplistic and generally unworkable fixes, but the problems are real. Hillary Clinton, thanks in significant measure to pressure from Sanders/Warren Democrats, proposed real solutions that will now be shelved indefinitely.
So, at the end of this ugly, divisive election, we find ourselves with the worst of both worlds and the prospect of continuing economic pain, diminished standing in the world, and more civic devastation to come. How frightening and sad.
More important, it is a crushing defeat for pluralism, inclusiveness, and respect at home, and America's status in the world. Yes, we need to find ways to unify and heal. But constitutional liberties must not be abandoned in the process. Healing must not happen at the expense of 50-plus years of slow progress toward racial and gender equality, marriage equality, rights for disabled people, compassionate treatment of immigrants, and similar advances toward the fulfillment of our country's ideals.
Trump's victory is also a rebuke of the failure of college-educated elites to communicate empathy for the genuine pain of white working-class Americans. There are numerous reasons to reject Trump's simplistic and generally unworkable fixes, but the problems are real. Hillary Clinton, thanks in significant measure to pressure from Sanders/Warren Democrats, proposed real solutions that will now be shelved indefinitely.
So, at the end of this ugly, divisive election, we find ourselves with the worst of both worlds and the prospect of continuing economic pain, diminished standing in the world, and more civic devastation to come. How frightening and sad.
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The American people get the leaders that they deserve. And they must suffer the consequences, since no one else is to blame.
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This election cycle has encouraged the GOP to become more alt-right and neoconservative in both its policies and rhetoric. With control over all three branches of the federal government — it must prove its capacity to actually govern with legislation. This is where it will fail, because its constituency will irreparably suffer the consequences of corporate control over government not seen since the Gilded Age. Our public institutions will fail us like never before as they become feckless shadows.
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Trump is totally beholden to Wall Steet. Steve Mnuchin as secretary of the treasury hardly suggest any kind of revolution on that front. A middle class tax cut...not going to happen. It will be business as usual. When it comes to the economy Trump's pants aren't just on fire they have gone nuclear.
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I count 78 electoral votes that Trump won because independents voted for Johnson. Perhaps they also expected Hillary to win but voted for Johnson to make a statement. Perhaps not. They might as well have voted for Trump. It's instructive to note that unlike liberals, conservatives stand together, even when they say they can't stand each other. They may not compromise with liberals, but they certainly compromise with other conservatives. Liberals should learn a lesson from this. Nader gave us Bush, the Iraq war, etc. Five per cent of the liberals, the most liberal among us, apparently, just gave us Trump. Bravo.
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I voted for Johnson. If he had not been on the ticket, I would have voted for Trump, so he took a vote away, not from Clinton, but Trump. Stein may have attracted Clinton supporters, but I suspect from my conversations with fellow Libertarians that most of the Johnson votes would have gone, like mine, to Trump in a two candidate race. Despite the similarities in name, most Libertarians are not liberals.
I doubt very many "liberals" voted for Johnson, a Libertarian. I suspect the large part of his vote was peeled off of Trump, i.e Republicans who couldn't get themselves to vote for Trump because of his personal failures, the misogyny, etc
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How does the NYT assess its own role in this election?
Im a HRC voter just to get that off the table. And I have for years -- perhaps far too heavily -- relied on the NYT for political coverage, even as that "news coverage" morphed so far toward opinion this cycle. The Times has become blind to a large part of reality in the US.
You got the polling completely wrong ( as many did) and especilly your assesment of this.. And you got the leval and amount of anger is this country pargekly wrong. Because you didnt want to see it as valid." Trump didnt steal this- he won the electoral collage by a lot. Half the popular vote. Thata lot of people voting and they are NOT ALL racist, sexist etc. Many of them just connected with Trumps message on economic hardship --however simplistic and unlikely to succeed this -- is resonated with almost 60,000,000 voters.
So , yes, I misunderstood the country, and so did the NYT by historically bad margins. I need to broaden my network of intelligence gathering and I think this news paper does to. How about a bit of honest self reflection on the proper role journalism and objectivity vs advocacy.
Im a HRC voter just to get that off the table. And I have for years -- perhaps far too heavily -- relied on the NYT for political coverage, even as that "news coverage" morphed so far toward opinion this cycle. The Times has become blind to a large part of reality in the US.
You got the polling completely wrong ( as many did) and especilly your assesment of this.. And you got the leval and amount of anger is this country pargekly wrong. Because you didnt want to see it as valid." Trump didnt steal this- he won the electoral collage by a lot. Half the popular vote. Thata lot of people voting and they are NOT ALL racist, sexist etc. Many of them just connected with Trumps message on economic hardship --however simplistic and unlikely to succeed this -- is resonated with almost 60,000,000 voters.
So , yes, I misunderstood the country, and so did the NYT by historically bad margins. I need to broaden my network of intelligence gathering and I think this news paper does to. How about a bit of honest self reflection on the proper role journalism and objectivity vs advocacy.
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From CNBC's B. Tusk article:
The pollsters failed the electorate. The eco-chamber of pundits, reporters, academics, and elites from Wall Street to Hollywood to Silicon Valley not only missed what was happening, their (let's be honest -- our) very failure to do so is exactly why Trump won in the first place. The collective cluelessness, self-righteousness, screeching and patronizing behavior is what helped push so many undecided voters over the edge. And absent realizing that, it's going to happen again and again (we not only failed to see it coming in the primaries and during Brexit – all of our collective intelligence, erudition and Ivy League degrees only drove more voters into Trump's arms).
The pollsters failed the electorate. The eco-chamber of pundits, reporters, academics, and elites from Wall Street to Hollywood to Silicon Valley not only missed what was happening, their (let's be honest -- our) very failure to do so is exactly why Trump won in the first place. The collective cluelessness, self-righteousness, screeching and patronizing behavior is what helped push so many undecided voters over the edge. And absent realizing that, it's going to happen again and again (we not only failed to see it coming in the primaries and during Brexit – all of our collective intelligence, erudition and Ivy League degrees only drove more voters into Trump's arms).
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"The pollsters failed the electorate."
It is not the job of the pollsters to guide the electorate but to report on them, therefore they cannot fail the electorate but only themselves and their buyers, the political establishment.
I see two takeaways from this election along these lines. First, political polls are not very good at prediction in a truly divided race. In a race between two similar candidates, both members of the political establishment, they do reasonably well but when there is a vast difference they cannot seem to grasp it.
Second, despite the cries against Citizens United, money does not equal votes. In both the primary and general elections, Trump was out spent yet he still won.
It is not the job of the pollsters to guide the electorate but to report on them, therefore they cannot fail the electorate but only themselves and their buyers, the political establishment.
I see two takeaways from this election along these lines. First, political polls are not very good at prediction in a truly divided race. In a race between two similar candidates, both members of the political establishment, they do reasonably well but when there is a vast difference they cannot seem to grasp it.
Second, despite the cries against Citizens United, money does not equal votes. In both the primary and general elections, Trump was out spent yet he still won.
Another divisive elitist NY Times opinion pieve
A nation yesterday rose up against Wall street, Silicon Valley, Big Media, Hollywood. Against billionaire betrayers like George Soros and Warren Buffet that have sold out our country and working class men and women
They said no to JayZ, Beyonce, Katy Perry and the racist BLM message and Hillary's desire to further perpetuate the lie of White privilege while institutional racism known as affirmative action continues to offer preference to anyone who ancestors aren't European. Working class whites in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin heard Hillary loud and clear and they were terrified and justifiably so. They had all the famous powerful and elite against them and they said No
A nation yesterday rose up against Wall street, Silicon Valley, Big Media, Hollywood. Against billionaire betrayers like George Soros and Warren Buffet that have sold out our country and working class men and women
They said no to JayZ, Beyonce, Katy Perry and the racist BLM message and Hillary's desire to further perpetuate the lie of White privilege while institutional racism known as affirmative action continues to offer preference to anyone who ancestors aren't European. Working class whites in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin heard Hillary loud and clear and they were terrified and justifiably so. They had all the famous powerful and elite against them and they said No
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The nation thought it rose up against that, but it did the opposite out of shear anger and spite.
Trump IS Wall street and big media and Hollywood. He has exported all the jobs for his businesses to other countries (why can't he make his clothing lines here), and done nothing to support the working class anywhere (buying steel from abroad, not paying contractors for his projects).
How is Warren Buffet a betrayer? At least he paid taxes that help to support the country. Trump betrayed even that, and has completely sold out the working class his whole life. His tax plans will not help them either.
Trump IS Wall street and big media and Hollywood. He has exported all the jobs for his businesses to other countries (why can't he make his clothing lines here), and done nothing to support the working class anywhere (buying steel from abroad, not paying contractors for his projects).
How is Warren Buffet a betrayer? At least he paid taxes that help to support the country. Trump betrayed even that, and has completely sold out the working class his whole life. His tax plans will not help them either.
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#WhyDidHeWin
I originally posted this comment here in January. It was true then - and remains true now. Particularly the last sentence.
"Take a look at the "most viewed" tab on the front page right now. 3 out of 10 spots are owned by a Donald J. Trump. In fact, I'm surprised that they haven't installed a large glittery Trump sign over the "most viewed" tab because he owns it for all practical purposes.
Say what you want about the Donald, but this is not a coincidence. There is something here that he gets, whether you want to admit it or not. That is "you." You are the ones giving him these "most viewed" ratings. He knows how to read you. What's his hold on you?
The answer is simple. Anyone who deals in a communication field, from teaching to the arts, will tell you that the most powerful communication medium known to humanity is storytelling.
But what is storytelling?
Drama, theatrics, spectacle, suspense, crises, climax, larger than life characters, and most importantly, constant conflict and resolution. Things that we may belittle as childish and socially unacceptable in contexts other than formal storytelling - but they are very powerful tools in many other contexts as well.
Donald Trump is a phenomenal storyteller. We are watching one of the most naturally gifted storytellers we have seen in a very long time. And we just have to read the next page. It's a very powerful weapon and it may take him much further than any of you will care to admit."
January 27, 2016
I originally posted this comment here in January. It was true then - and remains true now. Particularly the last sentence.
"Take a look at the "most viewed" tab on the front page right now. 3 out of 10 spots are owned by a Donald J. Trump. In fact, I'm surprised that they haven't installed a large glittery Trump sign over the "most viewed" tab because he owns it for all practical purposes.
Say what you want about the Donald, but this is not a coincidence. There is something here that he gets, whether you want to admit it or not. That is "you." You are the ones giving him these "most viewed" ratings. He knows how to read you. What's his hold on you?
The answer is simple. Anyone who deals in a communication field, from teaching to the arts, will tell you that the most powerful communication medium known to humanity is storytelling.
But what is storytelling?
Drama, theatrics, spectacle, suspense, crises, climax, larger than life characters, and most importantly, constant conflict and resolution. Things that we may belittle as childish and socially unacceptable in contexts other than formal storytelling - but they are very powerful tools in many other contexts as well.
Donald Trump is a phenomenal storyteller. We are watching one of the most naturally gifted storytellers we have seen in a very long time. And we just have to read the next page. It's a very powerful weapon and it may take him much further than any of you will care to admit."
January 27, 2016
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Story teller? When I was growing up in Ohio, I was given orders not to "tell stories" which was the mid west way of saying "Don't Lie!"
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I voted for Hillary Clinton as an independent. I left the Democratic Party after the debacle of 2000 utterly disgusted with their lack of electoral vision. And after this debacle, millions of young liberal voters will hit their prime voting years likely never even having joined it. Barack Obama was an insurgent, and his success seemed to suggest that the party could, finally, evolve. But that future was cast in doubt the day Clinton was nominated. Thousands of liberal-minded voters across each battleground state simply did not vote for her. Millions likely didn’t vote at all.
As far as the Republican Party goes, the lunatics took over the asylum some time ago. The Trump victory is just the culmination of that process.
In short, the two-party paradigm in American politics is finished. The only question is that of which one will crack first.
As far as the Republican Party goes, the lunatics took over the asylum some time ago. The Trump victory is just the culmination of that process.
In short, the two-party paradigm in American politics is finished. The only question is that of which one will crack first.
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Karma delivered -- America is reborn : a reincarnation of true democracy, an atavism of what our founding fathers intended.
Thank you, fellow Americans, for doing right -- for all of us, and our children.
Thank you, fellow Americans, for doing right -- for all of us, and our children.
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NY Times - How the heck did you mess up so badly? We count on you to know what is going on out there - and you totally missed this! I very much hope that you are self-assessing and can give your readers some assurance that in the future you will report what is real, not what you want to find!
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The contumely--it seems to spring from a source without bottom. The snide, smug indifference elite and educated America has for millions of people whose lives have no less dignity and authenticity than their own. Take a drive away from the coast and see what devastation has been wrought by the miscarriages of government. I think that these abandoned parts of the country have been patient enough living as they do like ants as our enlightened leaders debate bathroom laws and college loan forgiveness. We love pressing buttons and downloading apps to make our lives easier, but have absolutely positively no regard for in the boiler rooms of our luxuries, sweating and struggling. The media, our leaders, our so-called progressively minded elites have been living above the aches of millions. Today, at last, you are acquaintances of their feelings.
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Paul Ryan, you're fired.
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Who knew there were so many under educated - fairly clueless citizens among us who bought his I will bring back jobs, deport illegals etc. Well I have to admit - Trump was a good salesman - so much people did not ask where were the details in his plans?
Take coal - cheap natural gas from fracking, cheaper mining methods all kill off coal jobs over the last dozen years - but now here goes the EPA, the environment and yea - global warming is a hoax - I am 70, it will affect me less but I really feel sorry for the future generations what we have done to them with this election.
Maybe Blue collar white Americans have been left behind - but they have continued to elect Republicans to Washington for years who had little interest in them. They have refused to see we live in a fast changing world - where education, training, the ability to move if needed to change jobs is required.
Take coal - cheap natural gas from fracking, cheaper mining methods all kill off coal jobs over the last dozen years - but now here goes the EPA, the environment and yea - global warming is a hoax - I am 70, it will affect me less but I really feel sorry for the future generations what we have done to them with this election.
Maybe Blue collar white Americans have been left behind - but they have continued to elect Republicans to Washington for years who had little interest in them. They have refused to see we live in a fast changing world - where education, training, the ability to move if needed to change jobs is required.
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And what about those blue collar white and black Americans, left behind who continued to elect Democrats to Washington who had little interest in them?
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How do you feel now at the Times, after having your columnists promote Hillary and slander Bernie Sanders, whose issues became Trump's issues?
Ready to get new and smarter columnists?
How do you feel knowing that Bernie won 22 states and might have beaten Trump if not for your actions? You put your money on the wrong horse in this face, and you lost. We lost as well. Thanks for nothing. You should toss your editorial board, your pundits, and start over.
Ready to get new and smarter columnists?
How do you feel knowing that Bernie won 22 states and might have beaten Trump if not for your actions? You put your money on the wrong horse in this face, and you lost. We lost as well. Thanks for nothing. You should toss your editorial board, your pundits, and start over.
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Reading all these comments slamming the Times for piling on Clinton, piling on Sanders, piling on Trump, I'm starting to think the paper did it right if all three camps hate it so much.
I have accepted that the NYT will never take a Trump Presidency for reality. Always degrading him with the snide comment....fine....and then the KKK reference as if Duke was in the front row of the ballroom as Trump celebrated his victory. Makes me laugh.
Well you can stew in your own juices for the next four years at least, and as a newspaper of sorts, there will be plenty to distort until the paper just folds up and blows away....what will the canary cage be lined with?
Well you can stew in your own juices for the next four years at least, and as a newspaper of sorts, there will be plenty to distort until the paper just folds up and blows away....what will the canary cage be lined with?
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To me it seemed that Clinton did not have a strong enough platform of her own and relied too much on trying to deflecting to Trump's negatives. I noticed that some in the press characterized "Better Together" as a bunch of pablum, not a real platform. It seemed at the debates that whenever she was asked a real policy question, her answer was inevitably "it's described on my web site".
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I was so dismayed by her pat answer to the question at the last debate about problems with ACA. She basically gave a wonky answer about Band-Aids, but the Heartland wanted a candidate who'd use TNT. Like it or not, Obamacare was despised as a miserable stopgap that only furthered problems in paying for medical care for most people
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The real villain this morning is Barack Obama. His crime nothing less than to be a black man in a white house.
Yesterday, white America took back the White House.
Their proxy for this insurrection, for that is surely what it was, is a clueless windbag who nevertheless has a brilliant ear for white discontent and how best to feed it.
He was aided by a great but imperfect candidate, a systematic suppression of black votes, enabled by a deeply partisan court. Most frighteningly, to this fearful and vengeful white America, the black president was a good one. A great one, perhaps. And white America responded.
Now to President Trump. His cabinet will likely have Rudolph Giuliani and Chris Christie in it. God knows what damage any one of those on his own might do. The new president will be emboldened by a speaker in full thrall, after the successes of last night.
What are we to do. We hope that a new generation may come, bright and brilliant. Led, we hope, by truly great men and women. Obama, senior citizen. Michelle Obama, whose potential knows now bounds. And by others unknown.
As a footnote, Hillary Clinton looks to have one the popular vote, the second time in our history that the loser was, in fact, the winner. There is no solace there, because that's not how it works.
We gird our loins for four, fearful years ahead.
Yesterday, white America took back the White House.
Their proxy for this insurrection, for that is surely what it was, is a clueless windbag who nevertheless has a brilliant ear for white discontent and how best to feed it.
He was aided by a great but imperfect candidate, a systematic suppression of black votes, enabled by a deeply partisan court. Most frighteningly, to this fearful and vengeful white America, the black president was a good one. A great one, perhaps. And white America responded.
Now to President Trump. His cabinet will likely have Rudolph Giuliani and Chris Christie in it. God knows what damage any one of those on his own might do. The new president will be emboldened by a speaker in full thrall, after the successes of last night.
What are we to do. We hope that a new generation may come, bright and brilliant. Led, we hope, by truly great men and women. Obama, senior citizen. Michelle Obama, whose potential knows now bounds. And by others unknown.
As a footnote, Hillary Clinton looks to have one the popular vote, the second time in our history that the loser was, in fact, the winner. There is no solace there, because that's not how it works.
We gird our loins for four, fearful years ahead.
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My best hope is that the FBI will be able to hold the threat of criminal prosecution over Trump's head and protect the country and the world from his worst plans.
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It would be better to step back, take a deep breath, and wait a few days before stating all the horrible things President-Elect Trump might do. We know that he is intelligent (a shrewd, cunning intelligence), but also has the attention span of a firefly, and can't read more than a page at a time. In that way, he is like Ronald Reagan. We know that he has a thin skin and lashes out when criticized. Although he has hundreds of acquaintances and business associates, he seems to lack friends. He likes company, however, and doesn't like to be alone.
Unlike the last four or five presidents, he doesn't seem to have any fixed political principles, and changes his mind easily. He is an opportunist, like Richard Nixon, but even Nixon had some vague conservative principles. This may good a good thing in that he might drop some of his more outrageous proposals, such as banning Muslims, deporting non-citizens, appointing a special prosecutor to indict Hillary Clinton.
Being void of political ideas and policy positions, he is likely to depend on a small circle of advisers. Let's hope they will be men and women of integrity, ,judgment, and good will.
Unlike the last four or five presidents, he doesn't seem to have any fixed political principles, and changes his mind easily. He is an opportunist, like Richard Nixon, but even Nixon had some vague conservative principles. This may good a good thing in that he might drop some of his more outrageous proposals, such as banning Muslims, deporting non-citizens, appointing a special prosecutor to indict Hillary Clinton.
Being void of political ideas and policy positions, he is likely to depend on a small circle of advisers. Let's hope they will be men and women of integrity, ,judgment, and good will.
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Trumps victory was a repudiation of the elite, out of touch, biased and corrupt media like those found at the NYT. Ordinary Americans rejected and saw through the wholly biased liberal media that abandoned even the pretense of honest reporting in this election, instead collaborating directly with the Clinton campaign to allow edits of stories before publication, cheating to provide ahead of time access to town hall questions, and opinion pieces that said attempts at objective reporting are off the table because they find one of the national candidates distasteful. To succeed, Trump needs to govern as a centrist, and not blow it like Democrats when they held the Presidency, House and Senate. Due to Obama's arrogance and pure partisanship, they rejected every single Republican idea regardless of merit. If Republicans take the same approach, they will fail just like Obama's now temporary failed agenda did. I'm hopeful that Trumps bipartisan agenda, which attracted millions and millions of cross over Democrats to vote for him, will be a lesson for moderation on both sides. If Repubs govern far to the right and leave out Dems, like Obama governed far to the left and left out Repubs, their 'victory' will be short lived. Good ideas come from both sides of the isle and need to be evaluated on their merit, not their source. Trump has an opportunity to govern not as a partisan ideologue, but as a pragmatic problem solver. It will be interesting to watch and see.
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Obamacare was a Republican idea, formerly Romneycare, that was not "rejected... regardless of merit". Republicans only abandoned it because they didn't want to give any victories to Obama. It was 8 long years of partisan hackery from the Republican congress, not "Republican ideas". Republicans don't have a better health care plan. Obamacare is the most right wing universal health care plan possible. The only thing more right wing is to have no universal health care plan at all, which is exactly what the Republicans seem to want.
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How do we explain this (per Jacobin): Clinton won only 65 percent of Latino voters, compared to Obama’s 71 percent four years ago. She performed this poorly against a candidate who ran on a program of building a wall along America’s southern border, a candidate who kicked off his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists.
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Trump keeps winning points each time he sounds reasonable, and normal. Such a low (possibly very misleading) bar for him to clear. But the Americans who didn't vote for him - and many who did - should remain skeptical insofar as his rhetoric may cool, but what actions will he take? What leadership in this complex world will he be capable of. It inspires no confidence that his Twitter had to be taken away in exchange for the nuclear codes. It is hard to be optimistic. Paul Ryan erstwhile semi endorser sometime condemner is now pouring on the milk and honey, exulting in what he is portraying as an open door policy on the tenets of his Republican agenda. We shall see. Caveat emptor.
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The election of Donald Trump nullifies a vast number of trusted processes and expectations, including campaigning, the importance of issues, individual preparation, and record of public service.
We have now have Bush-Gore redux, influenced by a Nader in mirror image. Where Nader was a man of conviction, Johnson is a man of little substance, curiosity, and will to learn. Those who cast a vote for Johnson need to do some introspecting. They have no cause to celebrate.
And to those who wax nostalgic for Bernie Sanders: there is no way that Bernie Sanders would have survived the scrutiny of a presidential campaign.
And finally to those who will seek to lay blame in hindsight, who will pick over the corpse of Secretary Clinton and the Democratic party: Hillary Clinton did NOTHING wrong. She dedicated herself to public service, studied hard, prepared well, spoke eloquently, and inspired many of us. This election was not about her. It was about who WE are, no more, no less. And that is really something to worry about.
We have now have Bush-Gore redux, influenced by a Nader in mirror image. Where Nader was a man of conviction, Johnson is a man of little substance, curiosity, and will to learn. Those who cast a vote for Johnson need to do some introspecting. They have no cause to celebrate.
And to those who wax nostalgic for Bernie Sanders: there is no way that Bernie Sanders would have survived the scrutiny of a presidential campaign.
And finally to those who will seek to lay blame in hindsight, who will pick over the corpse of Secretary Clinton and the Democratic party: Hillary Clinton did NOTHING wrong. She dedicated herself to public service, studied hard, prepared well, spoke eloquently, and inspired many of us. This election was not about her. It was about who WE are, no more, no less. And that is really something to worry about.
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Interesting ... Obama had NO experience except bloviating and he was qualified???
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Americans will dearly miss President Obama … despite his many critics, he was a great President who had inherited many horrific disasters from Dubya … although he tried to correct these disasters and introduce his own policies, he was faced with an obstructionist blackmailing Republican Congress … in this I believe it was a racist “Black thing” you see. But the guy continued with his boundless optimism and energy and his belief in America.
President Obama and his legacy will rank very high in American history.
God help America !!!
President Obama and his legacy will rank very high in American history.
God help America !!!
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Trump won the Presidency but if he continues with certain rhetoric, it should never be normalized. It's very interesting for Trump to say we need to work together after his whole campaign was basically "us vs them". We will see just how many of his promises are accomplished and how he handles foreign policy.
Also, this should be a huge wake up call to the Democratic establishment that they are out of touch with the working middle class. Bernie would have been a much stronger candidate with a lot less baggage.
Also, this should be a huge wake up call to the Democratic establishment that they are out of touch with the working middle class. Bernie would have been a much stronger candidate with a lot less baggage.
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The media should get on their knees and thank Mr. Trump for stimulating their revenue for the next 4 years. Now try reporting the truth.
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Maybe it was too much for the NYT Editorial Board to be more accepting of the results of the election. Is it possible that this stinging repudiation of the liberal media and pundits may actually help the country? I am willing to give Mr.Trump the opportunity to make some absolutely needed changes in a political system that has become totally corrupt. And, the NYT and the liberal media have only themselves to blame for having picked - and cheered on - an extremely flawed candidate as HRC.
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The man has a mandate. I now expect the wall to go up and the Mexicans to pay. Obama Care and NAFTA should be ripped up -- Obama Care on day one. Muslims? Banned. Illegals? Round them up -- also on day one. The women who accused him of unwanted sexual advances? Sue them! Sue them ALL! Hillary? "Lock her up!" The election wasn't rigged. Americans against the establishment gave him a mandate. Now, President-elect Trump must be held to his word. If a man's word is no good, the man himself is no good. Get to work, Donald.
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The media must stop their one sided behavior until President Trump lays out his exact policies for our Nation. We need jobs, security, economic progress and better relations between Republicans and Democrats to move our Country forward. The media be fair and even handed.
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I did all I could. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary, for Hillary in the general.
This morning, I've been reading the growing list of those to blame for Trump's victory who will be tossed into the basket of deplorables. Comey, Bernie, Gary Johnson, and roughly half of all voters. The hide-bound dinosaurs of the DNC aren't on the list.
(That's your cue, Liz Warren.)
This morning, I've been reading the growing list of those to blame for Trump's victory who will be tossed into the basket of deplorables. Comey, Bernie, Gary Johnson, and roughly half of all voters. The hide-bound dinosaurs of the DNC aren't on the list.
(That's your cue, Liz Warren.)
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A desire for change? I get that this seems to be a reasonable conclusion. Yet these same voters continue to re elect the same congressmen and senators. These voters want change without having to examine their own ideology. My neighbor had two signs in his yard Proud Union Home and a Trump sign. These are not compatible. The manufacturing jobs are not coming back - and if they do as non Union jobs they will be low paying. These voters want to hold onto their "family values" by electing a morally bankrupt man. They want healthcare but not from a Democrat. It is a desire to harken back to the 1950's when women, African Americans and gays knew their place.
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A'fierce and heedless desire for change" indeed. But why? Ms. Clinton had the opportunities to address the concerns of white working class voters, and didn't.
The problem of the loss of American jobs and the "free trade" bandwagon began in the 1980's and has been supported by BOTH parties relentlessly. The Democratic party lost its way and forgot about the concerns of working people. They have paid the price. But Republicans beware - the election of this man is not a vote for what you have stood for either.
May God have mercy on us all.
The problem of the loss of American jobs and the "free trade" bandwagon began in the 1980's and has been supported by BOTH parties relentlessly. The Democratic party lost its way and forgot about the concerns of working people. They have paid the price. But Republicans beware - the election of this man is not a vote for what you have stood for either.
May God have mercy on us all.
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The New York Times has become a caricature of itself. What a pathetic sore-loser editorial.
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For several months now the NYT had odds that they post on their front page of the chances of Clinton or Trump being elected. If one wonders why no one considers the NYT the newspaper of record anymore, one can start with this odds belong in Vegas not on the front page of a newspaper. This deplorable practice did show how utterly out of touch the NYT is with America. There were times when Trump was literally given less than a 10% chance and most recently it was around 14%. This is not simply a matter of egg on the NYT face, but it personifies the fact that this paper isn't just left of Vladimir Lenin its writers and editors (who can tell the difference by the way) are literally living in alternate reality. This paper badly needs a conservative ombudsman to at least try and bring them somewhere close to the mainstream. Consider Democrats for years used to deny they were Socialists, now they openly acknowledge this fact and the NYT praises this fact, because of course there rubric is Europe. The fact of the matter is this paper has lost all pretense of attempting to be independent or middle of the road. And you wonder with all your perceived intellectual brilliance how you could be so demonstrable wrong and out of touch with America.
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I'm 74 years old. I was born and raised in the US and was proud to be an American, thinking it was the greatest country in the world from childhood though adolescence. Then came Vietnam and the doubts began to set in.
After that, Nixon and the "Southern Strategy. More and stronger doubts. Ronald Reagan and "trickle down economics" and doubts began to change to dislike. The second Bush, 9/11, his insane war based upon lies about "weapons of mass destruction" and at last Obama,(yes, I know I passed over a few leaders) hope began to emerge but the GOP managed to stand in the way of everything good. But here we are now with Trump, an incredibly divided country, a leader with no leadership skills whatsoever. Doubts?, dislike? fear? lies?..they're nothing now. As I said, I'm 74, I'll get by but I weep for my children and even more so for my grandchildren and the country I will have left for them.
After that, Nixon and the "Southern Strategy. More and stronger doubts. Ronald Reagan and "trickle down economics" and doubts began to change to dislike. The second Bush, 9/11, his insane war based upon lies about "weapons of mass destruction" and at last Obama,(yes, I know I passed over a few leaders) hope began to emerge but the GOP managed to stand in the way of everything good. But here we are now with Trump, an incredibly divided country, a leader with no leadership skills whatsoever. Doubts?, dislike? fear? lies?..they're nothing now. As I said, I'm 74, I'll get by but I weep for my children and even more so for my grandchildren and the country I will have left for them.
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It's nice to know that democracy is still alive in the U.S. Against all the Elites in Washington both in the Democratic and Republican Parties as well as the disgraceful, biased press the People were still able to see through all the lies and disgraceful behavior and elect someone who may actually make a difference.
I love the quote that I read from someone, "The Press took Trump literally but not seriously, the people took Trump seriously but not literally." We'll see who was right.
I love the quote that I read from someone, "The Press took Trump literally but not seriously, the people took Trump seriously but not literally." We'll see who was right.
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What happens to us if Trump does act to fulfill his promises? There is real reason to fear he absolutely will try and do what he pledged to his supporters he would do, and they expect of him. The ACA will most likely be the first casualty of the election. His supporters will clamor for Roe v Wade to be overturned, and the right to marry whom you love overturned, and a wall to be built between our country and Mexico and Hillary Clinton to be put on trial, and millions of people to be deported. That is why they elected him.
Trump is unknowable, and just because he made a speech that was not inflammatory does not mean he is a different man than the one we have seen on display for months. He is a vengeful, arrogant, man willfully unprepared for the toughest job on earth. I do not think he has a clue as to how his life is going to change, and what responsibilities will suddenly be his and his alone to bear. Further, I don't think his supporters have a clue as to how much their lives are going to change, and not for the better.
America died last night. I have mourned all day.
Trump is unknowable, and just because he made a speech that was not inflammatory does not mean he is a different man than the one we have seen on display for months. He is a vengeful, arrogant, man willfully unprepared for the toughest job on earth. I do not think he has a clue as to how his life is going to change, and what responsibilities will suddenly be his and his alone to bear. Further, I don't think his supporters have a clue as to how much their lives are going to change, and not for the better.
America died last night. I have mourned all day.
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I am not a Trump supporter, but why is this a surprise to everyone? You could see this coming a mile away. Liberals have to stop dismissing Trump followers as racist misogynist deplorables, and realize Trump tapped into the same anti-establishment vein as Bernie Sanders.
They were willing to overlook all his horrible flaws to upend an establishment that as Bernie said is "rigged".
They were willing to overlook all his horrible flaws to upend an establishment that as Bernie said is "rigged".
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The New York Times, its editors and writers, contributed heavily to the election of Donald Trump. Who is president does not affect me much directly, but I feel sorry for the many people to whom Trump promised jobs and prosperity and will not be able to deliver. It is a "live and learn" election. I hope the white supremacists in this country do not see a green light to pursue their awful agenda now that "their man" has won the presidency.
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No, "the people" haven't elected Trump, the Electoral College did, in part due to Republican-maneuvered redistricting initiatives and removal of voting rights oversight in many states, both of which that stretched the limits of the law. The popular vote was split approximately 50-50, with a slight edge going to Clinton. As another reader mentioned earlier, 27% of the electorate catapulted us into a dystopian future, some of them the disaffected looking for a new way ahead, others misinformed and fed up, others purely vindictive. This was certainly not a landslide. However, no matter the cause, we are now ruled (not governed) by the Republican right wing and fringe groups with virtually no check on their power.
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Its too early to know what to expect of Mr. Trump in office. But based on this editorial, I think we know what to expect from the NYT.
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Trump won the election in 2016 by appealing to the bad America. The cold dark foreboding America. An America filled with racists, bigots and dark thoughts. An America filled with suspicions about itself and everybody else. An America which thinks the world is out to steal and cheat America and wants to build walls and shut itself in. An America that doesn’t trust its neighbours and wants to send people from other countries home.
It is Trump’s America now!
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bye-ms-american-pie-dr-sujith-krishnan?tr...
https://twitter.com/samalachin/status/796402249362599936
It is Trump’s America now!
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bye-ms-american-pie-dr-sujith-krishnan?tr...
https://twitter.com/samalachin/status/796402249362599936
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I think it's time that The Times began to learn that "America" extends far beyond 8th Avenue and Times Square. An overwhelming part of America eats at McDonald's and Taco Bell, not Schnippers and Wolfgang's. The isolation of working and living in NYC is worse than our politicians working within the Beltway. At least they have to venture back to their districts to meet the little people every now and then.
I don't say this to deem The Times, but to point out that most of "America" is far, far different than Broadway, the Rockefeller Center and MSG. In your criticism and belittling of Trump, you have also criticized a large segment of our country - as we saw so clearly last night.
I don't say this to deem The Times, but to point out that most of "America" is far, far different than Broadway, the Rockefeller Center and MSG. In your criticism and belittling of Trump, you have also criticized a large segment of our country - as we saw so clearly last night.
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Easily the most bitter and partisan column in memory. It's comical that you actually hired someone to research why readers think there is bias in the media. President Obama and Secretary Clinton conceded with dignity and grace. Take a page from their playbook. And wish the guy good luck. Our future is in his hands.
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Is the New York Times editorial department going to move to Canada?
Hang on for a little while. Health and Human Services grief counselors are on their way to talk you off the "precipice".
Hang on for a little while. Health and Human Services grief counselors are on their way to talk you off the "precipice".
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This editorial is incredibly dark and bitter. Get over yourself.
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The greatest heartbreak in this outcome is that an attitude of hate, lying, and deception has carried the day. What does this say about values heading into the future?
Too many decent, thoughtful people held themselves away from serious involvement in this race because of the distaste of it, mainly commenting and sighing at the sidelines.
Decent people are going to need going forward to be willing to engage for real now to avoid disaster.
Too many decent, thoughtful people held themselves away from serious involvement in this race because of the distaste of it, mainly commenting and sighing at the sidelines.
Decent people are going to need going forward to be willing to engage for real now to avoid disaster.
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The Democrats have used hate, lying and deception as their political strategy for decades.
Time for a new day.
Time for a new day.
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My dear neighbours, American people,
Within a few months of his presidency I am absolutely sure that President Trump will make enough mistakes for you to start an impeachment procedure. Be patient and Have faith !
Within a few months of his presidency I am absolutely sure that President Trump will make enough mistakes for you to start an impeachment procedure. Be patient and Have faith !
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The Republican congress will never impeach him. Besides, I fear Pence as much or more.
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Congrats, working class whites. You've been had again.
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Memo To File: Very few of the promised benefits of Trump will come to pass. Coal will still be a dying industry, the steel mills will never reopen, and technology will continue to make skill sets of 50 years ago to be irrelevant.
But Republicans WILL overreach and eventually find themselves in a George Bush moment ala 2008 where something breaks badly and they will really have to decide. They will not be able to lie themselves through everything.
This will be the ultimate test of this country's institutions and government. i don't see any signs that they will perform well.
But Republicans WILL overreach and eventually find themselves in a George Bush moment ala 2008 where something breaks badly and they will really have to decide. They will not be able to lie themselves through everything.
This will be the ultimate test of this country's institutions and government. i don't see any signs that they will perform well.
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the nyt, as classless in defeat as it was in the process. had clinton won, we'd be treated to an admonishment to all "come together" around her victory and move forward. on a surprise trump victory, we're treated to more elitist snark from the very types of people that were rebuked in this election.
i am no fan of donald trump, but the message to the media/beltway/insider crowd couldn't be louder or clearer. you are so overwhelmingly disliked that the country elected donald trump, rather than spend anymore time under your "direction." spin on that for a while....
i am no fan of donald trump, but the message to the media/beltway/insider crowd couldn't be louder or clearer. you are so overwhelmingly disliked that the country elected donald trump, rather than spend anymore time under your "direction." spin on that for a while....
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Are you sure he even won? A total turnout of 8 million LESS than in 2012, despite gigantic get-out-the-vote efforts by Democrats? Clinton got 6.5 million fewer votes than Obama in 2012, and Trump 1.5 million fewer than Romney?
With all the attention and free publicity for Trump and scare stories and organizing and ground games, 8 million fewer people voted, and almost all of them Democrats? Really?
Clinton and Trump were close in vote totals, but Clinton seems to have won the popular vote yet lost the presidency. Shades of 2000!
I think my sense of unreality is more than just emotional. Sometimes one's paranoia is fact-based.
With all the attention and free publicity for Trump and scare stories and organizing and ground games, 8 million fewer people voted, and almost all of them Democrats? Really?
Clinton and Trump were close in vote totals, but Clinton seems to have won the popular vote yet lost the presidency. Shades of 2000!
I think my sense of unreality is more than just emotional. Sometimes one's paranoia is fact-based.
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Honestly. Am I the only bothered by the fact that an American President has just been elected, who is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan?????
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The people have spoken?
I will respect the Union decision, however can Never call trump my President.
During his campaign he excluded so many Americans in his hate speeches difficult to imagine he can change over nite.
With time...maybe.
Weapon sales will increase, NRA is extremely happy today.
I hope we can truly love thy neighbor and wounds be healed for future generations it has to take.
The World is Truly Watching.
I will respect the Union decision, however can Never call trump my President.
During his campaign he excluded so many Americans in his hate speeches difficult to imagine he can change over nite.
With time...maybe.
Weapon sales will increase, NRA is extremely happy today.
I hope we can truly love thy neighbor and wounds be healed for future generations it has to take.
The World is Truly Watching.
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Finally, for future analysis. If you look at the election map state by state - what you see is that in most states.....Hillary carried the urban areas. Even when the States went Red, the democrats took cities like Baton Rouge, Nashville, LIttle Rock, Louisville, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Omaha, Salt Lake City, or Tampa. I want some indepth analysis of why rural voters felt like Trump had the solutions to their problems.
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What a class-act, day-after editorial. I knew there was a reason I continue to get this paper only for crosswords, A&L and Sunday magazine.
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The establishment, that includes you, me and the editorial board of the New York Times has been solidly rejected. There will be a very hollow ring to those who continue to yap about the United States being "The Leader of the Free World," "The indispensable nation" etc. That is over and it will not be coming back.
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Trump supporters should not overjoy or underestimate the establishment. In the UK, after the Brexit side was declared victorious, the architects and leaders of the movement were swiftly pushed aside by establishment figures that had opposed the exit to begin with. Theresa May was against the Brexit. Now she leads the Brexit. That should tell you something.
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If one wanted to grope for a clue about why the establishment and its mouthpieces including NY Times have invited a staggering failure of manipulating people’s opinion by reading this editorial, one would not succeed at all. This editorial once more as before complains DJT about all its mistakes and the people for its revolt. It doesn’t seem to have a shred of soul-searching as to what its responsibility for misguiding the readership towards wrong conclusions lies.
As a part and parcel of the anti-people establishment machinery, it inadvertently rips itself open for the country to see the establishment media’s true faces. Those winsome narcissisms cannot prevent the political system from alienation, status quo from rebellion, and privileged power from totter.
DJT’s winning the office is not his revolt but people’s rebellion which is justified by the Great American Revolution’s ample examples set up against tyranny 240 years ago.
“His victory is a humbling blow to the news media, the pollsters and the Clinton-dominated Democratic leadership.” His victory is not his own but is at the same time that of half of those who have voted, and of the unemployed, underemployed, future-lacking, powerless, precarious, working masses of the world.
“By challenging every norm of American politics…That change has now placed the United States on a precipice.” This statement is wrong because it fails to recognize that change for the better is forever right and political norm can degenerate.
As a part and parcel of the anti-people establishment machinery, it inadvertently rips itself open for the country to see the establishment media’s true faces. Those winsome narcissisms cannot prevent the political system from alienation, status quo from rebellion, and privileged power from totter.
DJT’s winning the office is not his revolt but people’s rebellion which is justified by the Great American Revolution’s ample examples set up against tyranny 240 years ago.
“His victory is a humbling blow to the news media, the pollsters and the Clinton-dominated Democratic leadership.” His victory is not his own but is at the same time that of half of those who have voted, and of the unemployed, underemployed, future-lacking, powerless, precarious, working masses of the world.
“By challenging every norm of American politics…That change has now placed the United States on a precipice.” This statement is wrong because it fails to recognize that change for the better is forever right and political norm can degenerate.
I hope people stop spreading fear. I am not afraid of what President Elect Trump may or may not do. However, if the media continues to publish articles, opinions, and editorials of fear, we will reap the results of such fear. The media should allow people to be at peace and react to an actual event, not someone's dream, fantasy, or supposed prophetic vision. Please stop hurting our society and help to heal.
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Recalling events leading up to this election, It's interesting that I used to see a small graphic on the first page of the NYT predicting the probability of a Hillary Clinton victory (usually projecting an 85% (or more) probability that she would win). Where was the Times getting their information? How were they arriving at their prognostications? Was any thought given to how their predictions might impact the final election? As far as I can see, these and other inaccurate overblown predictions about Hillary's strength among the electorate discouraged a strong voter turnout that might have contributed to her defeat. It would be nice to hear the NYT (and other poll analyzers/predictors) take responsibility for their egregious, misleading misrepresentations, and for the potential harm they have done. Having this man in office will harm and weaken our country for the foreseeable future. Perhaps the damage is even more permanent than that.
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Is there an over/under somewhere that will allow me to vote on how many half-truths and outright lies the New York Times will spew out the next couple of days?
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This is a national disgrace. In time, Mr. Trump's true nature and his genuine lack of competence for this office will be clear. The election of this man says nothing good about this country.
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Congratulations!
Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence and America. I have been aboard the Trump Train since the beginning. Mr. Trump I have prayed everyday for you. God gave me peace and made me see that He is in control. No matter how much corruption or deceit He will have the victory.
We are all human and we mess up. But Praise God HE never makes a mistake and Mr. President this is no mistake.
May God continue to uphold your family and draw you near to him. Pray for Guidance from him he will never lead you astray. Thank God he spoke through his people in this election.
God Bless America
Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence and America. I have been aboard the Trump Train since the beginning. Mr. Trump I have prayed everyday for you. God gave me peace and made me see that He is in control. No matter how much corruption or deceit He will have the victory.
We are all human and we mess up. But Praise God HE never makes a mistake and Mr. President this is no mistake.
May God continue to uphold your family and draw you near to him. Pray for Guidance from him he will never lead you astray. Thank God he spoke through his people in this election.
God Bless America
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(This is the nation "under God" that was made official by act of Congress in 1953, ostensibly to immunize the US against communism.)
It looks like Trump will actually receive fewer votes than Mitt Romney received in 2012. The big difference in this election is the fact that over 6 million people who voted for Obama in 2012 failed to vote for Clinton in 2016.
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I supported Hillary, but I must say that President Elect Trump won a decisive victory, not because of the FBI, not because of the Russians, not because of but in spite of his abusive, bullying style. He won, as he did in the primaries, because he convinced a large number of Americans that he would do better for them and for the country than would his opponents. He got the votes. That is called democracy. I am not convinced that Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden would have done much better against him. The election is over and so, I hope is the breast beating and the blame game.
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This is NO mandate, so we'll see what healing , if any, we'll see.
Hillary is still ahead in the popular vote, so let's at least hope we do better than the DUBYA years. At least the court didn't need to call it.
Sanders indeed would likely have crushed Trump as his message was similar, but without the inflammatory rhetoric.
Some younger candidates are needed on the Democratic side as well.
Hillary is still ahead in the popular vote, so let's at least hope we do better than the DUBYA years. At least the court didn't need to call it.
Sanders indeed would likely have crushed Trump as his message was similar, but without the inflammatory rhetoric.
Some younger candidates are needed on the Democratic side as well.
What I hope Mr. Trump will interpret from his victory is that his victory is a mandate for change, and not a mandate for continuing GOP Establishment, corporatist policies.
He did not win the popular vote, so therefore he should realize his task is to try and reassure voters, accommodate disagreement, and try to welcome everyone into his tent.
What we saw tonight was a huge divide between urban and rural/suburban, and between the more liberal coastal cities and the rest of the nation. The media evidently lives in a bubble and echo-chamber of its own making.
Edsall's columns that touched upon the economic decline outside that bubble wasn't taken seriously enough by the Democratic Establishment. Instead, a hostile attitude towards this demographic took hold within the liberal bubble, when instead, Democrats should have been caring about these economic issues.
He did not win the popular vote, so therefore he should realize his task is to try and reassure voters, accommodate disagreement, and try to welcome everyone into his tent.
What we saw tonight was a huge divide between urban and rural/suburban, and between the more liberal coastal cities and the rest of the nation. The media evidently lives in a bubble and echo-chamber of its own making.
Edsall's columns that touched upon the economic decline outside that bubble wasn't taken seriously enough by the Democratic Establishment. Instead, a hostile attitude towards this demographic took hold within the liberal bubble, when instead, Democrats should have been caring about these economic issues.
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I'll be satisfied when he reviews and cancels many of the new and revised regulations put into effect by the Obama administration. I'll be satisfied when he appoints the next supreme court justice. I'll be satisfied when he reviews and cancels many of the Obama executive orders.
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America it is the verge of it destruction..not hyperbolic intended. it's with lot sadness that I started to make arrangement to move out the county before the avalancha erupted.
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I think we need to remember that the Democratic machine ran a deeply flawed candidate, and that to a large extent, the DNC really has done little for the "forgotten guy" in East Backwater. There has been massive discontent, a lot of it justified if not well focused, and we did little to assuage it, and had a weak message.
I wrote the following in the Seattle Times the evening before: "No matter who wins, I hope we can remember that many Americans will disappointed that their candidate didn't win, and horrified that the other one won. Whoever wins, we need to treat our fellow Americans as Americans and neighbors with concerns and fears and needs as great as our own. We may feel that the election has gone the wrong we, but let us treat each other with respect and do our best to heal up some of the wounds that this dire, hate-filled election has caused. The only people who are going to keep America great are Americans - you and me."
I utterly believe in the liberal philosophy; if there is good to be gotten out of this it is that as a political movement, we need to do some deep thinking about whether those views actually do meet the needs we like to believe we are addressing. The Republicans have been outstanding in staying on message; we have not. Trump tapped into very real worries; we did not. I think we need a DNC revolution.
But at least Sheriff Arpaio did get ousted!
I wrote the following in the Seattle Times the evening before: "No matter who wins, I hope we can remember that many Americans will disappointed that their candidate didn't win, and horrified that the other one won. Whoever wins, we need to treat our fellow Americans as Americans and neighbors with concerns and fears and needs as great as our own. We may feel that the election has gone the wrong we, but let us treat each other with respect and do our best to heal up some of the wounds that this dire, hate-filled election has caused. The only people who are going to keep America great are Americans - you and me."
I utterly believe in the liberal philosophy; if there is good to be gotten out of this it is that as a political movement, we need to do some deep thinking about whether those views actually do meet the needs we like to believe we are addressing. The Republicans have been outstanding in staying on message; we have not. Trump tapped into very real worries; we did not. I think we need a DNC revolution.
But at least Sheriff Arpaio did get ousted!
I think truth was the big loser last night. A campaign fought on lies resulted in the victory of the liar.
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Without question, the party of Lincoln is no more and the party of Trump remains. Most of the Republican leaders that endorsed Mr. Trump refused to mention him by name and they'll be remembered for their political calculations and utter lack of courage.
Don't point fingers at those that didn't vote, many did and the election has been decided. Look at what we have, not what we want, and do our best going forward.
Don't point fingers at those that didn't vote, many did and the election has been decided. Look at what we have, not what we want, and do our best going forward.
So, once more around the block with the litany of anti-Trump smears that I've heard so often I have them memorized, and could write your editorials for you if you need a day off. (Call me.) But to talk you off the ledge, The Donald is not as bad as you pretend to think he is. Rather than go into some lengthy rebuttal, I'll just share a small observation of him from listening to talk radio on my lunch break. I won't name the host, but he is an accomplished author with a pretty big following as far as I can tell, and he can be very interesting to listen to. And after listening to his show for a while, I've come to see him as a little crazy and somewhat insecure. He supports Trump, and has had The Donald call into his show a few times. As I listened to those interviews, I noticed that Trump seemed to understand the need to tread gingerly, and I could hear a gentleness in his voice as he talked to this guy.
I know that's not much of a story, but to me it was a hint of the actual Donald Trump. Not evil. Not crass. But kindhearted and considerate. He will be a good President.
I know that's not much of a story, but to me it was a hint of the actual Donald Trump. Not evil. Not crass. But kindhearted and considerate. He will be a good President.
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I'm sorry. But getting behind a psychologically flawed know nothing leader with Sociopath tendencies who can't even spell the word decency much less know what it means, is impossible. Donald Trump's revolt? It's revolting. For months now, while watching TV, I've worn out my mute button and gotten whiplash turning my head each and every time Donald Trump and his Republican cronies who were as mean-spirited and deluded and narrow as he, will apparently have to continue at least for the next four years. This is an unbelievable utter night mare from which we cannot awaken. Heaven help us and the world.
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Much comes into play in who wins a presidential election. I contend that Bernie would have won against Trump. He's been consistent in his ideals, his past is unblemished, and he has responded clearly to attempts to draw him into the media circus. I lay part of the blame for Bernie's not winning the nomination on the media, and especially on the widely read and (once) respected NYTimes. This newspaper, blatantly in support of Hillary, ignored Bernie for too long early in his campaign and then crossed the line from editorial into reporting in favoring Hillary with bigger and more positive headlines and reporting. Of course, the DNC also has a large part of the blame in pushing through their agenda without sufficient attention to the citizenry.
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Democracy In the form of the Electoral College won, so proud of America to elect a man whose experience embodies the American dream of making lots of money for oneself.
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We are cursed to live in interesting times but must ask some hard questions about the Democratic Party. Would Bernie have won? How arrogant was Hillary Clinton? How arrogant was the New York Times, which brushed aside Bernie and Trump, claiming to the bitter end that Hillary would walk away with the election. You must consider your own credibility as a leading newspaper. You've got a serious problem now.
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I give him three months before he mentally checks out and hands it all to Pence.
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A long while back, Democratic Party operatives decided that they owed a difficult-to-elect politician their party's nomination more than they owed the American public a win.
The consequences follow.
The consequences follow.
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Here is what we do know: We know Clinton/ 0bama are/ were the most unprepared presidential candidates in modern history. We know that by words and actions, they have shown themselves to be temperamentally unfit to lead a diverse nation of 320 million people. We know they have threatened to and have actually prosecuted and jailed their political opponents, and they have curtailed the freedom of the press. We know they lie without compunction.
You also made similar statements about Reagan and every other presidential candidate that did not follow your lead in worshipping government as god. The NY Times just cannot stand it when the American people refuse to be subjected to tyranny. The NY Times is so permeated by the concept that the "little people" should just shut up and accept the "fact" that those on the Left are entitled to rule the country that you throw a hissy fit every time someone stands up and says NO.
We stood up and said NO. Try to learn a lesson from that.
You also made similar statements about Reagan and every other presidential candidate that did not follow your lead in worshipping government as god. The NY Times just cannot stand it when the American people refuse to be subjected to tyranny. The NY Times is so permeated by the concept that the "little people" should just shut up and accept the "fact" that those on the Left are entitled to rule the country that you throw a hissy fit every time someone stands up and says NO.
We stood up and said NO. Try to learn a lesson from that.
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I would have been unhappy with any Republican victor, particularly with a Republican congress. Mr. Trump, though, has won, and sixty million Americans voted for him. It was an impressive victory by a political "novice". No one can deny that, underestimate its importance, or regard it dismissively. I hope that Mr. Trump shows the same vigor and determination to be a successful president that he showed on the campaign trail. I hope, too, that he now looks beyond the frightening circle of campaign advisers, to a broadly inclusive group, so that he can be president for all Americans, and, as a "deal-maker", bring deeply divided Americans together for common purposes. Democrats and interest groups of all kinds would be well-advised to give President Trump a chance, and certainly not to approach his presidency as the GOP approached President Obama. No American succeeds through the failure of an American president. Despite the stridency and even offensiveness of his campaign (and birther past), Mr. Trump brings less ideological baggage to the office than many Republicans would have. As a political outsider, he could respond to people and policies from beyond the far-right GOP spectrum that has dominated campaigns. Democrats would be well-advised to be open to this, even as --- finally and thankfully --- the party moves into a post-Clinton era and reflects on why their supposedly more inclusive rhetoric and policies have had so little success with actual voters.
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I think the NYTimes should be ashamed of itself. Your reporting has been biased ever since this election cycle began. You have shown yourselves incapable of seeing anything positive in Donald Trump. Even when you say something "nice" you find a way to twist it so it comes out negative. And you have, with complete consistency, been completely wrong in your reading of the electorate. It's time to carefully analyze yourselves. It's time for the NYTimes to make changes. In its leadership and in its understanding of the real world, which is quite different from the bubble that you live in.
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To all those millennials, Sanders or Bust and Stein acolytes, as well as those Trump supporters:
When a Trump administration and a GOP controlled Congress makes sure that your Dad loses his "Obamacare" and Grandma loses her Medicare and both need a life-savings operation, just remember by your vote yesterday you essentially told both of them to drop dead.
How does that make you feel.
When a Trump administration and a GOP controlled Congress makes sure that your Dad loses his "Obamacare" and Grandma loses her Medicare and both need a life-savings operation, just remember by your vote yesterday you essentially told both of them to drop dead.
How does that make you feel.
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Congratulations, Canada!
We pass the baton on to you-- You are now the greatest country on earth.
Just don't screw it up like we just did.
We pass the baton on to you-- You are now the greatest country on earth.
Just don't screw it up like we just did.
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November 8, 2016, the day Donald Trump was elected President of the United States. A date which will live in infamy. Electing Donald Trump as President of the United States is like jumping with a defective bungee jump gear: you may survive and even enjoy it but, most likely, you will get killed.
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Typical Times elite and incorrect view of things. Supreme Court replacement of Scalia puts court in balance with 4 liberal and 4 conservative members with Kennedy the "neutral" judge who has rendered liberal and conservative judgements resulting in frequent 5-4 decisions for both "sides".
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A message to Trump voters: Trump and the Republican party now have to actually govern. Write on a slip of paper the reasons you voted for Trump and the promises you believe he made to you to get your vote, and put the paper under your mattress. When you are considering your vote in the next election, pull it out and see how it has worked out for you, and how it has worked out for Trump and the Republican donors.
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Obviously this was some kind of Revolution ("Revolt" same meaning). The real question is why nobody saw it coming. Where was Hillary, where was Obama, or the newspapers or TV experts. A critical issue that this entire country was 100% blindsided. Brings back the history of Louis The 17th. Something throughout this country is so ignored by the people in power that all words of wisdom from Washington or thought at schools or by parents or religious leaders no longer are worth their salt. Same happened in the UK, same in Philippines, most likely will happen with the EU. This is far from over.
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There's a huge difference between running for president and being president.
Trump did what he had to do to get elected. Now, presumably, he'll do what he has to do to govern.
Trump did what he had to do to get elected. Now, presumably, he'll do what he has to do to govern.
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Here's hoping for a backlash to the backlash.
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People were, are, will be angry. They were not represented, their needs unmet, futures in doubt and no one noticed except Trump. The biggest lier attacks a great lie, that government was serving the people, and wins.
There is another big lie, American exceptionalism. Americans are as petty, hateful and irrational as anyone anywhere. Both parties must never forget the electorate is a sleeping beast, to be ignored at ones peril.
I know one thing for sure: the Republican party is now at the mercy of the people and have no viable plan to help them in any way, their efforts focused for so long on caring for the wealthy.
There is another big lie, American exceptionalism. Americans are as petty, hateful and irrational as anyone anywhere. Both parties must never forget the electorate is a sleeping beast, to be ignored at ones peril.
I know one thing for sure: the Republican party is now at the mercy of the people and have no viable plan to help them in any way, their efforts focused for so long on caring for the wealthy.
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Donald Trump was a ridiculous candidate, as ridiculous as he was unlikely. However, BOTH parties need to realize that the candidates they offered to oppose him were, each in their own way, more ridiculous. This will be a bitter, bitter pill to swallow, that neither party appeals to the disaffected who came out in droves for Trump, and that none of the safe fall-backs (the religious-right, social conservatives for the GOP, city-dwellers, liberals and people of color for the Democrats) are sufficient anymore to prevent a carpet-bagging scallywag (look it up) from capturing the imagination of the nation.
It's a new dawn, and both Parties better get their act together before it becomes clear Trump can't deliver all those promises he made.
It's a new dawn, and both Parties better get their act together before it becomes clear Trump can't deliver all those promises he made.
The clock is now one minute closer to midnight.
I hope this thought comforts all those Trump supporters and all those feckless Sanders and Stein supporters and childish milllennials who were looking for that "revolution" to finally put a stake through the heart of once great nation.
Well now, you got your wish.
So, when you see the criminal justice system look the other way when a person of color is gunned down in the street or an immigrant set upon by an angry group of white racists or your daughter's only choice is to get a back alley abortion or your retirement tanks and those promised jobs do not appear, just remember, it was not some "illegal," mass media outlet, conspricacy of (you fill in the blank), it was YOU that made this happen.
I hope this thought comforts all those Trump supporters and all those feckless Sanders and Stein supporters and childish milllennials who were looking for that "revolution" to finally put a stake through the heart of once great nation.
Well now, you got your wish.
So, when you see the criminal justice system look the other way when a person of color is gunned down in the street or an immigrant set upon by an angry group of white racists or your daughter's only choice is to get a back alley abortion or your retirement tanks and those promised jobs do not appear, just remember, it was not some "illegal," mass media outlet, conspricacy of (you fill in the blank), it was YOU that made this happen.
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America's creative destruction if you want to put a positive spin on it. Now it is upon us and hope that it is not all bad.
After a tumultuous night my thoughts are now with a woman who has given her all. She has run twice for the highest office in America and has worked tirelessly in the service of this Nation. She loves her country and is a true Patriot. This second crushing blow must be be almost unbearable. Hillary you have not failed. You have given every last ounce of strength for the people you love. That is a victory very few of us even come close to accomplishing. In the end it is the only one that really counts. Bless you and thank you.
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Can Trump now release his taxes?
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i will never understand the trump fervor among white, working class voters who have none of trump's wealth or the class prerogatives that go with it. do they not understand that his agenda, such as it is, is weighted against them - they will not share in tax breaks for high earners, they may face financial ruin if social security - a fallback many of them could not live without - is done away with, and they cannot hope to get one of the phantom jobs his nonexistent economic policy will fail to create.
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Thanks to the DNC, superdelegates and the NYT for making this all possible. How? Accomplished merely by doing everything that could be done to make sure that Hillary Clinton was the democratic party nominee in spite of the fact that Bernie Sanders was polling far better against Trump. Now we have an unrepentant fascist in the white house.
People wanted change. They could have had the choice between good change and bad change but instead they got the choice of status quo and bad change.
So since what the electorate wanted was change, we're going to get it. And how.
People wanted change. They could have had the choice between good change and bad change but instead they got the choice of status quo and bad change.
So since what the electorate wanted was change, we're going to get it. And how.
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This may be a good time for the staunchly Democratic and progressive states of Oregon, Washington and California to revive the idea of forming a separate republic of Cascadia. If Washington and Oregon east of the Cascades choose not to come along, so be it. Keep 'em.
In the best of all possible worlds, Canada would vote for the annexation of the new Cascadia, and all of us out here on the left coast could live our lives free of the suffocating parochial will of the Red Prairie and Rust Belt States of America.
In the best of all possible worlds, Canada would vote for the annexation of the new Cascadia, and all of us out here on the left coast could live our lives free of the suffocating parochial will of the Red Prairie and Rust Belt States of America.
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just what we need, self righteous sanctimony - when Canada annexes you, I'm sure you'll be happy as they FINALLY get to shove their filthy tar sands down our throat, as Trudeau has been trying to do since he got elected - With Trumps' help, he'll succeed - Over on the East cost, in the 'NE corridor' we also feel separate, but don't pretend to be as squeaky clean as you ... Go ahead, leave, and take Texas with you ...
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Actually, CD, not 'self-righteous sanctimony' at all. This is a proposal that has been seriously vetted on the west coast for decades now. Here in Oregon and Washington in particular, we have quite a lot more in common with British Columbia, and with Canada more generally -- politics, culture, economy, climate and geography -- than we do with the vast swath of conservative red states that make up the bulk of the "United States of America" between here and the east coast, which quite plainly ain't so "united" at all.
Take a look at that electoral map one more time - These three west coast states have been and seemingly always will be diverse, Democratic and progressive- although the farm country east of the Cascades in Washington and Oregon leans toward the right along - maybe it has caught a cold from Idaho and its homegrown extremist lovelies like the Aryan Nation and Three Percenters.
And do trust me, Texas ain't no part of this equation. It's all yours. A gift from us on the far side of the continent to you back there in Gotham. It's the least we could do in return for your gracious gift to the nation: Our Savior Donald J. Trump and his apostles Newt, Rudy, and Chris - not to mention those sainted role models Roger Stone, Stephen Bannon and John Tanton, the original architects of the Trump "doctrine," such as it is.
Take a look at that electoral map one more time - These three west coast states have been and seemingly always will be diverse, Democratic and progressive- although the farm country east of the Cascades in Washington and Oregon leans toward the right along - maybe it has caught a cold from Idaho and its homegrown extremist lovelies like the Aryan Nation and Three Percenters.
And do trust me, Texas ain't no part of this equation. It's all yours. A gift from us on the far side of the continent to you back there in Gotham. It's the least we could do in return for your gracious gift to the nation: Our Savior Donald J. Trump and his apostles Newt, Rudy, and Chris - not to mention those sainted role models Roger Stone, Stephen Bannon and John Tanton, the original architects of the Trump "doctrine," such as it is.
Yes, kindly leave.
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“We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead.” - HRC said just now.
Owe?!!! Did the GOP give Obama a chance to lead? Were the GOP and Trump's followers going to give Hillary a chance to lead?
America owes nothing - NADA - to our president elect. He owes this nation more than any POTUS in history. He has made some outrageous and outlandish and vague promises - typical of a conman - now, against all odds, he has to produce. All he has ever done so far is take. What will he do FOR America during the next four years?
Now that the Right has successfully conned Americans, their blackmail obstructionism can end and they can pretend to be the solution they could have been for almost a decade.
Owe?!!! Did the GOP give Obama a chance to lead? Were the GOP and Trump's followers going to give Hillary a chance to lead?
America owes nothing - NADA - to our president elect. He owes this nation more than any POTUS in history. He has made some outrageous and outlandish and vague promises - typical of a conman - now, against all odds, he has to produce. All he has ever done so far is take. What will he do FOR America during the next four years?
Now that the Right has successfully conned Americans, their blackmail obstructionism can end and they can pretend to be the solution they could have been for almost a decade.
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On an historical note, Nov. 8-9 marks the 93 anniversary of the Munich Beer Hall Putsch.
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Philip Roth's The Plot Against America perfectly described what had happened (and will happen) to us. Our new president is a bigot, a misogynist, a lying sociopath, and I can go on and on with this. And yet, there is a hope that our institutions (which institutions?), political tradition (which political tradition?), and the importance of the office will somehow make him a more conventional president. No, it won't!
Depressive optimism that states that we survived slavery, the Civil War, the Great Depression, WWII, the Cold War, Watergate, and so on, ergo we will survive Trump is just an ineffective coping mechanism for post-election anxiety. What we need is an action plan. What to do when he starts dismantling our Constitution, stripping down our civil rights, destroying our alliances. But also, what to do in 2018 and 2020. Today is the right time. Tomorrow will be late.
Depressive optimism that states that we survived slavery, the Civil War, the Great Depression, WWII, the Cold War, Watergate, and so on, ergo we will survive Trump is just an ineffective coping mechanism for post-election anxiety. What we need is an action plan. What to do when he starts dismantling our Constitution, stripping down our civil rights, destroying our alliances. But also, what to do in 2018 and 2020. Today is the right time. Tomorrow will be late.
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"Cry, the beloved country."
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A fine editorial. The country owes a debt of gratitude to the NYT for its courageous and honest reporting.
This article from The New Yorker possibly sums up a lot of what many in this country think and believe:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-tragedy-donald-trump
This article from The New Yorker possibly sums up a lot of what many in this country think and believe:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-tragedy-donald-trump
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I deeply regret that a year ago Vice President Joe Biden withdrew from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. With his everyman background he would have been an effective campaigner against the likes of Donald Trump, and would not have had the burden of the negative baggage Hillary Clinton carried.
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Trump would have had little trouble portraying Biden as the elite insider that he in fact is.
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I hope the Times publishes my comment this time.
HRC lost the election for two major reasons. She made it her policy that if an illegal immigrant sneaks across the border they are free to stay so long as they are not charged with a violent felony.
And secondly a segment of the population who are suppose to peacefully protest no matter for what reaon are shown on national tv rioting, looting, destroying property and starting police cars on fire. And they are the Hillary Clinton supporters. Whether BLM condones their behavior or not they represent them because of the same cause and HRC received that bunch with open arms.
HRC lost the election for two major reasons. She made it her policy that if an illegal immigrant sneaks across the border they are free to stay so long as they are not charged with a violent felony.
And secondly a segment of the population who are suppose to peacefully protest no matter for what reaon are shown on national tv rioting, looting, destroying property and starting police cars on fire. And they are the Hillary Clinton supporters. Whether BLM condones their behavior or not they represent them because of the same cause and HRC received that bunch with open arms.
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While I am a Republican, I was never a fan of Trump. However, reading the hysterics of NYT commenters -- once so sure of their superiority over, and always so condescending toward, the "great unwashed" -- made it almost worth seeing him win.
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Yes because more important the right policies is seeing your enemies get punished.
Think in what angry, destructive, hateful people you have become conservatives.
Think in what angry, destructive, hateful people you have become conservatives.
The real question that needs to be asked is how the "experts" and so many others, including many posting on here, completely underestimated the frustration and anger of the voters in "fly over" country who propelled Mr. Trump to victory. For all of the coverage of increased early voting and who was turning out, it seems that one statistic was mostly overlooked--the increase in white turnout, especially non-college educated voters. Perhaps it was too easy for many Democrats to convince themselves that this was a group that, demographically, they no longer needed to compete for. In the end, the story of this election may be the extent to which so many in our country are disconnected to the American that exists between both coasts.
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To the New York Times and all mass media. You rejected the one good candidate, Bernie Sanders, who promised real change thereby allowing the other candidate who promised change to get elected. I hold you responsible for this disaster.
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"That change has now placed the United States on a precipice." Maybe the country on a precipice, but certainly not The World.
I am stunned. For the past few months, almost every poll has shown Hillary Clinton ahead of Donald Trump, but the polls were wrong. The media and pollsters must reexamine their methods and figure out how they were so wrong.
As I type this, Trump has won the Electoral College, but Clinton is 130,000 votes ahead in the popular vote. The election is tight both ways, but this will likely be the fifth time when the candidate who received the most votes did not become president. I think back to the 2000 Election, which was also razor thin and where the Democrat won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College. Our electoral system, in Trump's words, is rigged, but not against him. It is rigged against democracy.
As I type this, Trump has won the Electoral College, but Clinton is 130,000 votes ahead in the popular vote. The election is tight both ways, but this will likely be the fifth time when the candidate who received the most votes did not become president. I think back to the 2000 Election, which was also razor thin and where the Democrat won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College. Our electoral system, in Trump's words, is rigged, but not against him. It is rigged against democracy.
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They did not merely show her leading -- they said she had a virtual 95% LOCK on winning -- that Trump has zero chance.
It is being reported that Trump did not even have a victory speech written, he was so sure the media was correct.
Clearly pollsters are not just wrong -- they are totally, completely off base. Their methodology is corrupted and useless.
However....the Electoral College is "baked into" our Constitution. You can change it, with an Amendment, to a popular vote system....but you face the possibility that NEXT TIME, it will be a Democrat who loses the popular vote but wins the EC.
It is being reported that Trump did not even have a victory speech written, he was so sure the media was correct.
Clearly pollsters are not just wrong -- they are totally, completely off base. Their methodology is corrupted and useless.
However....the Electoral College is "baked into" our Constitution. You can change it, with an Amendment, to a popular vote system....but you face the possibility that NEXT TIME, it will be a Democrat who loses the popular vote but wins the EC.
He told us it was rigged. At the very last moment, he showed up in states that there was no reasonable reason to visit, other than to bolster plausibility. Bullies and liars and sociopaths systematically accuse others of their own devious designs. What did and do the Kochs, Bannon, and all their ilk know.
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If you are not a Republican get ready to me moved to a "Re-education Camp" We will be deemed untermenchen and shuffled off to the GOP version of a final solution. God hep us, He's the only one who can now.
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Trump undoubtedly picked up a lot of Democrats. That's how he turned traditionally Blue states. How did he do it? Simple. He waded into the huge gap between ideological Republicans and Democrats. His "fairer" trade message scored with a lot of people. His message about resisting the bi partisan urge to naively meddle in foreign messes scored with a lot of people. And, all over this country people are livid that illegal "immigration" has been allowed by both parties to transform communities. They see the new ghettos, the deteriorating schools, the increased expense of dealing with folks no one ever voted to admit into the country.
Imagine what Clinton must be feeling! To be beaten by Trump!
Imagine what Clinton must be feeling! To be beaten by Trump!
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Hillary Clinton flashed her own true character last night when she went into hiding and then sent out her campaign manager to out to face her supporters offering false hope while she privately conceded the election to Trump. What a fraud she is, and I am happy that she and her awful husband are now leaving the political stage. Good riddance.
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We reap the whirlwind we sowed. Dogma leads any group astray and we liberals are short of skepticism while long on dogma. Males without college degrees propelled Trump. Why so many? The average gender ratio in colleges is now nearly 60% female to 40% male. Was repairing that massive imbalance on either party's list? No. Was it causative? Yes. Those lacking a college education don't merely get left behind economically, they also are lacking in education, a fact that has endless ramifications. Why the historically unbalanced female/male ratio in college? I submit two candidates. First: the reduced admissions rate is a consequence of the gauntlet we make boys run from kindergarten onwards, relentlessly focused on task completion, obedience, social adaptation. It is not politically correct to simply observe the truth, that boys and girls are actually quite different. Declaring truth to be falsehood is dogma; we have reaped the rewards of such ignorance. Second: the reduced graduation rate is a consequence of the same factors, attenuated by maturity but amplified by the appearance of fewer behavioral restraints, and especially by a new temptation that preys on males disproportionately: online gaming. What have we been doing about it? Nothing. Quite possibly the opposite; sometimes colleges look like a hunting ground with immature young males as quarry. We are looking at the consequences.
Some might not like the results, but the fact remains that we American citizens happen to live in the grandest and greatest democracy this planet has ever seen, and we Americans still vote for, and place, people into the highest offices we can bestow without troops, tanks, or terror.
THAT is a staggering, amazing, and wonderful situation!
THAT is a staggering, amazing, and wonderful situation!
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So angry white men who are economically distressed just eletted the ultimate 1% candidate. Ryan and McConnell will have free riegb to do their will. Do not expect things to fet better. This cunnsumate lier will be our next president. He has no interest in governing he just wants his name in history books. So the gop will get their long awaited wish total control of the government. The Koch s and Wall Street are rejoicing.
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A reinterpretation of Protestant pastor Martin Niemoller’s quote:
First they came for Affordable Health Care, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not using Affordable Health Care.
Then they came for the Dreamers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Dreamer.
Then they came for the Black Lives Matter advocates and allies, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Black Lives Matter advocate or ally.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Activism in our Constituitional Democracy demands not just our comments but also our alliances, presence and actions that speak out against injustice, disenfranchisement, hate, racism and cynicism.
First they came for Affordable Health Care, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not using Affordable Health Care.
Then they came for the Dreamers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Dreamer.
Then they came for the Black Lives Matter advocates and allies, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Black Lives Matter advocate or ally.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Activism in our Constituitional Democracy demands not just our comments but also our alliances, presence and actions that speak out against injustice, disenfranchisement, hate, racism and cynicism.
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A "paradigm shift" is in the works. Perhaps this paradigm shift will actually bring about what so many of us longed for and failed to achieve: equality, mercy and goodness for the multitudes who have been scorned, undermined and abused over the centuries in this country. This country is about everyone and respect for the lives of everyone, and this tremendous disappointment to our striving for goodness and health for others may, in fact, lead to the very things we have envisioned. Love works in marvelously profound ways, and may this election bear fruit, somehow, to achieve the most loving gift of life for all who live here.
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Let's not lose our head. Let's all cooperate so as not to make things worse. And the worse, with today's means of distruction can be irreversable: just think of what was happening before the last world war to realize that it's happening all over again with different protagonists. As IBM used to say THINK !
NYT:You should first blame yourselves for this mess! The biased and manipulative "reporting" done by the Times has gravely harmed the Republic. Your job was to give the American people facts about each viable candidate running. You did not. Instead you chose to put out hack reports and editorial crap like this one that feed distortions.
However, the worst cut of all by the NYT was your complete FAILURE to investigate her. Instead of delving into her background and investigating it yourselves, you went whistling through the graveyard hoping that no one would notice her questionable dealings as a Senator, at the State Department and with the Clinton Foundation. Maybe your editor geniuses might contemplate the fact that if you yourselves had investigated her you might have been able to salvaged her candidacy.
The NYT endorsed way too early. You ignored and then smeared a good man, Bernie Sanders. You failed to report adequately on the voter fraud and the subsequent lawsuits that took place in your own backyard in NYC. You red-baited your way through the general election. You ignored the shower of Wiki leaked emails leaving the public, individually, to interpret them. All staff at the NYT should be embarrassed by their failure to uphold even an modicum of journalistic professionalism and ethics.
In March 2016 I canceled my 10 year subscription to the NYT out of disgust. On a positive note for myself, I have alternative news sources. I no longer need you.
However, the worst cut of all by the NYT was your complete FAILURE to investigate her. Instead of delving into her background and investigating it yourselves, you went whistling through the graveyard hoping that no one would notice her questionable dealings as a Senator, at the State Department and with the Clinton Foundation. Maybe your editor geniuses might contemplate the fact that if you yourselves had investigated her you might have been able to salvaged her candidacy.
The NYT endorsed way too early. You ignored and then smeared a good man, Bernie Sanders. You failed to report adequately on the voter fraud and the subsequent lawsuits that took place in your own backyard in NYC. You red-baited your way through the general election. You ignored the shower of Wiki leaked emails leaving the public, individually, to interpret them. All staff at the NYT should be embarrassed by their failure to uphold even an modicum of journalistic professionalism and ethics.
In March 2016 I canceled my 10 year subscription to the NYT out of disgust. On a positive note for myself, I have alternative news sources. I no longer need you.
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sour grapes. The Dems nominated perhaps the worst candidate in history. Despite Obama's extraordinary exaggeration, she was not the most qualified person to run. Instead, she was a somewhat incompetent, unlikable individual with no charisma, a low trust factor and a trail of scandals going back to Arkansas. You thought you could ensure her victory by running multiple editorials daily in an attempt to defame Trump.
You got what you deserved. You could have demanded another candidate, investigated HRC in detail until the dems realized there's was a fool's errand. But, no, you played cheerleader and shill. You reap what you sow.
You got what you deserved. You could have demanded another candidate, investigated HRC in detail until the dems realized there's was a fool's errand. But, no, you played cheerleader and shill. You reap what you sow.
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And the winner of the election is...Putin
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this nation is about to enter the second "nixon-era"
only:
this go-around - - -
we have no reliable media to
properly and promptly inform us
of the aberrant behaviors of our new-leaders.
and-for-one-more-time:
we have met the enemy,
and they are most-definitely us.
grrrrr
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Hillary's concession speech a class act.
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Thankfully there was Wikileaks. The NYT and the rest went in the tank for HRC and left a void. Who stepped in to do the job of investigative journalists? Hackers revealed how the sausage is made by the Dem party and the HRC campaign. Blow, Bruni, Krugman, and the rest of the Op-Ed crew also failed failed miserably. They should all be fired.
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Trump sounded Presidential and NYT does not sound Editorial even after election. Big difference.
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In Latin America there is a saying when people say something out of sheer resentment: "you are breathing thru your wound." The New York Time, true to its history, confirms its irrational anti-Republican bias.
All of your offers to subscribe are ignored because of that.
All of your offers to subscribe are ignored because of that.
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a lot of pollsters should be considering a new career today!
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Your paper and all the major news media outlets are complicit in this outcome. You propped up Trump stories as clickbait and ignores the only true threat to Trump, Sanders. Shame on you.
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Wow, the New York Time has doubled down on hatred, divisiveness, garish accusations, media artistocracy and sour grapes all wrapped up in one big tantrum.
Remember, New York Times, part of our revolt was dragging the leftist media industrial complex back to reality along with our ersatz political royalty. American is tired of being abused, spun and diluted into oblivion on the stage of global and economic elitism.
You were part of the problem, New York Times, and you have not been handed a platter of duck a l'orange this time. Make no mistake: It is warm crow.
Remember, New York Times, part of our revolt was dragging the leftist media industrial complex back to reality along with our ersatz political royalty. American is tired of being abused, spun and diluted into oblivion on the stage of global and economic elitism.
You were part of the problem, New York Times, and you have not been handed a platter of duck a l'orange this time. Make no mistake: It is warm crow.
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On the same tone, i.e.personal, when you look at the presidential candidates i still prefer as v.p mr. Pence to Ricky-gervais-with-an-harmonica mr. Kaine, Sure mrs. rodham Clinton got what he was looking for, her v.p.'s homestate votes in Virginia, but nothing more.
Mr. Trump won solidly in almost all the States, while mrs. Rodham Clinton won without a full "Gary Johnson" of distance in many Western States ( Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico ) while she did better in the Northeastern States and yet she suffered a blow in Pennsylvania, and she is probably but unlikely to win in Maine and New Hampshire where it's too close to call. Mr. Trump has been a better pollster than the heavy electoral rolodex machine of mrs. Rodham Clinton. He successfully identified the key states in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin where he campaigned to eventually win within a Johnson of distance. So much to explain who red better this election, a political outsider ( well, respect to the two parties, i mean ) or an ingrained mechanism of political establishment like mrs. Rodham Clinton is. I made my opinion on the news and on the whole cake of articles of the Newyorker profiles of mrs. Rodham Cliton ( which is peraphs the only thing i regret of having done ) plus all the debates pre- and post- party nominations.
Mr. Trump won solidly in almost all the States, while mrs. Rodham Clinton won without a full "Gary Johnson" of distance in many Western States ( Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico ) while she did better in the Northeastern States and yet she suffered a blow in Pennsylvania, and she is probably but unlikely to win in Maine and New Hampshire where it's too close to call. Mr. Trump has been a better pollster than the heavy electoral rolodex machine of mrs. Rodham Clinton. He successfully identified the key states in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin where he campaigned to eventually win within a Johnson of distance. So much to explain who red better this election, a political outsider ( well, respect to the two parties, i mean ) or an ingrained mechanism of political establishment like mrs. Rodham Clinton is. I made my opinion on the news and on the whole cake of articles of the Newyorker profiles of mrs. Rodham Cliton ( which is peraphs the only thing i regret of having done ) plus all the debates pre- and post- party nominations.
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Future NYT headlines:
101st Airborne Drops into Syria -- Death Toll Rises
Warmest Winter on Record -- Again
Jobless Rate Tops 9%
Federal Deficit at All-Time High
Disillusioned Trump Supporters Take to Streets
Gun Violence Hits Record Levels
Ford Moves HQ to Ireland as Fiat-Chrysler Shuts Its Doors
Iran Conducts Nuke Test in Sinai
Chinese Billionaire Buys Yosemite; Plans $500/Day Dinosaur Theme Park
Emergency Rooms Overwhelmed as Air Pollution Rises
Unemployed Coal Miners Storm White House, Demand "Promises Kept"
EU Bans Americans after US Demands Visas
Putin Marches on Former Soviet Republics, Sets Sights on Germany and Poland
I could go on....
101st Airborne Drops into Syria -- Death Toll Rises
Warmest Winter on Record -- Again
Jobless Rate Tops 9%
Federal Deficit at All-Time High
Disillusioned Trump Supporters Take to Streets
Gun Violence Hits Record Levels
Ford Moves HQ to Ireland as Fiat-Chrysler Shuts Its Doors
Iran Conducts Nuke Test in Sinai
Chinese Billionaire Buys Yosemite; Plans $500/Day Dinosaur Theme Park
Emergency Rooms Overwhelmed as Air Pollution Rises
Unemployed Coal Miners Storm White House, Demand "Promises Kept"
EU Bans Americans after US Demands Visas
Putin Marches on Former Soviet Republics, Sets Sights on Germany and Poland
I could go on....
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I am not going to put all burden on America's back, down this road Nuclear war is very close possibility.
Hey NY Times:
Accept your responsibility. You were a big part of cheating the people. Your perpetual lies about Bernie Sanders; your refusal to recognize everything which is obviously wrong and corrupt with Hillary. Your name calling; your pretension of superiority.
You folks have to share responsibility for what happened.
Let's see if you have the courage to embrace the will of the people with the same enthusiasm which which you requested, demanded that people get around Hillary once she won.
Can you work to heal the divides in America?
Can you learn from your mistakes?
You're in a dying media. Look at your subscriber base and profit margin. This is not a coincidence. You're now competing with the people on the internet, and you're losing.
Accept your responsibility. You were a big part of cheating the people. Your perpetual lies about Bernie Sanders; your refusal to recognize everything which is obviously wrong and corrupt with Hillary. Your name calling; your pretension of superiority.
You folks have to share responsibility for what happened.
Let's see if you have the courage to embrace the will of the people with the same enthusiasm which which you requested, demanded that people get around Hillary once she won.
Can you work to heal the divides in America?
Can you learn from your mistakes?
You're in a dying media. Look at your subscriber base and profit margin. This is not a coincidence. You're now competing with the people on the internet, and you're losing.
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I sorta get it. I have lived all over the country and traveled through every state, living on both coasts, Kansas, Illinois, Texas, North Carolina, grew up in Ohio before landing in New York. There are a lot of places and people that progress and modernity have simply left behind. Some of these places have had decades to try to forge a new future, to make their city appealing to businesses (besides WalMart) to try to re-invent themselves rather than gradually disappearing, others are still decaying in the wake of the 2007-08 Recession. So along comes this guy, that everyone knows from TV, who claims that HE, and he alone is the answer to their prayers. Everything is a disaster, but vote for Trump and everything will be great again. Just like magic.
Unfortunately, it won't be so easy. The change that people were hungry for, was underway, but was taking too long for people in need of quick fixes. Obama proposed numerous infrastructure projects, when many people needed jobs, and interest rates were near zero. GOP blocked all of them crying about the debt, the debt that will increase by trillions under Trump's proposals, but maybe the same party Congress will let him succeed-it'll cost more now though. Other people will be left behind, progress made will be reversed and the change that is coming may not be what many of Trump's voters were hoping for. When the buyer's remorse sets in, I hope America wakes up to reality and stops counting on false hopes.
Unfortunately, it won't be so easy. The change that people were hungry for, was underway, but was taking too long for people in need of quick fixes. Obama proposed numerous infrastructure projects, when many people needed jobs, and interest rates were near zero. GOP blocked all of them crying about the debt, the debt that will increase by trillions under Trump's proposals, but maybe the same party Congress will let him succeed-it'll cost more now though. Other people will be left behind, progress made will be reversed and the change that is coming may not be what many of Trump's voters were hoping for. When the buyer's remorse sets in, I hope America wakes up to reality and stops counting on false hopes.
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Two thoughts:
1) Protest votes are useless.
2) Go away Baby Boomers! We're tired of you.
1) Protest votes are useless.
2) Go away Baby Boomers! We're tired of you.
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You can blame both political parties for this one. Both are out for the power and money. He is too, but took advantage of the situation as a populist. next time maybe we will have two excellent candidates to choose from? Democrats and Republicans.....listen and learn.
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NYT: Chin up, at least now the chances of a nuclear war with Russia are dramatically down. Hillary is a warmonger; Trump is a businessman.
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Rusty Turner from New Zealand comments: "How long will it be before these rabid dogs who got Trump elected discover that he cannot do those things that he promised" and the NYT makes it a "Pick"?? It's okay to call 60 million Americans "rabid dogs"?? If the situation were reversed, would it be fine to call Clinton supporters "rabid dogs" this morning? Fair is fair, guys.
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Congratulations to President-Elect Donald John Trump.
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Questions for Trump’s supporters.
Other than triumphalism, what have you gained and how has your life changed? If Trump doesn't deliver on his Wall, his deportations, his ripping up of trade agreements, destroying healthcare coverage for 20 million Americans, and instead does nothing but entrench cronyism enriching the Republicans now controlling the entire US government, who or what will you turn to next?
Trump's supporters have sowed the wind; unfortunately, it's all of Americans that will reap the whirlwind. You bought it, now you're going to have to own, the bad along with good, GOD help us if there is any.
Other than triumphalism, what have you gained and how has your life changed? If Trump doesn't deliver on his Wall, his deportations, his ripping up of trade agreements, destroying healthcare coverage for 20 million Americans, and instead does nothing but entrench cronyism enriching the Republicans now controlling the entire US government, who or what will you turn to next?
Trump's supporters have sowed the wind; unfortunately, it's all of Americans that will reap the whirlwind. You bought it, now you're going to have to own, the bad along with good, GOD help us if there is any.
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Open borders, amnesty, gun control and more taxes didn't work for Clinton and the Democrats. Oh, and vilifying whites as stupid racist bigots...
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I am a Muslim and I am scared to death for myself, my people, Latinos, Blacks, immigrants. How could this happen? But it did. I weep for America. You should too.
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David Brooks had it right all along ... but he couldn't believe it. From day one when the parties picked its candidates Brooks said the electorate wants change, moreover, that Clinton represented the establishment.
The Times has a lot of back peddling to do, calling a landslide victory for Clinton weeks before the election went a long way to bolster voters who did in fact vote for change ... Trump who is a true independent owing to neither the republicans or to the democrats. The RNC in the eleventh hour stepped forward half-heartedly providing support, but it was Trump himself with his own money and effort that won the day despite of the NEW YORK TIMES!
The biggest media failure and the biggest disappointment was the New York Times, all the while David Brooks told everyone why Trump was going to win: Americans want change and see Clinton as the establishment. The campaign coverage in the last months or so was blatantly one-sided, nasty and so democratic party leaning and anti-Trump that it made a vote for Trump a vote against the NY Times. The constant stream of anti-Trump editorials bordered on callousness showing no faith in our democratic system, with the Times doing everything in its power to use its bully-pulpit to wish a Clinton victory. This newspaper needs to clean up its act if it wants to maintain any credibility with its national readers. As it turns out, the Times is NOT a national newspaper it is the newspaper of New York City. I had forgotten that.
The Times has a lot of back peddling to do, calling a landslide victory for Clinton weeks before the election went a long way to bolster voters who did in fact vote for change ... Trump who is a true independent owing to neither the republicans or to the democrats. The RNC in the eleventh hour stepped forward half-heartedly providing support, but it was Trump himself with his own money and effort that won the day despite of the NEW YORK TIMES!
The biggest media failure and the biggest disappointment was the New York Times, all the while David Brooks told everyone why Trump was going to win: Americans want change and see Clinton as the establishment. The campaign coverage in the last months or so was blatantly one-sided, nasty and so democratic party leaning and anti-Trump that it made a vote for Trump a vote against the NY Times. The constant stream of anti-Trump editorials bordered on callousness showing no faith in our democratic system, with the Times doing everything in its power to use its bully-pulpit to wish a Clinton victory. This newspaper needs to clean up its act if it wants to maintain any credibility with its national readers. As it turns out, the Times is NOT a national newspaper it is the newspaper of New York City. I had forgotten that.
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personally? i hope to NEVER see the name clinton on a ballot again. i do not believe that they are the corrupt people portrayed by their enemies? but they sure know how to hand the ammunition to them. now get out of the way!
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Apparently America is not New York City
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Simple version ...given a choice between a Politician and a Pig the country chose the Pig.
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So far the only real situation assessment is your comment.
Everybody but the New York Times and Hillary Clinton saw this coming down the tracks.
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Let the blame game commence!
But the only one deserving of blame is Hillary herself. Blame HRC, not "third party voters." Blame the hubris and the self-destructive pathology both she and hubby Bill share, not WikiLeaks. Don't blame Comey or the Russians, blame HRC, who consistently spoke out of both sides of her mouth, never revealing her true intention because her only intent was to win; her allegiance only to herself. For Hillary, it was all about winning, making her the perfect model for our vapid, narcissistic “winners” culture.
Hillary's primary achievement in all her years in public office was to funnel bucket-loads of "Pay-To-Play" biz to the Foundation and in the final stretch, found herself struggling to establish her credibility and "connect" with a significant segment of registered Dems who just couldn't get past the stench of deceit and blind ambition in this most despicable, sanctimonious, fundamentally dishonest candidate. So much for “inevitability.”
For the Clintons, the chickens finally came home to roost. They’re finished. Disgraced. And now they can sell that home in Chapaqua and go back to Little Rock where they belong.
Don’t feel sorry for them. Assuming they don’t end up in prison these are people who will never have to worry about where the next rent check is coming from or whether they can afford decent health care or put food on the table. In reality, they’re the deplorables.
Good riddance!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3qvosHHcWc
But the only one deserving of blame is Hillary herself. Blame HRC, not "third party voters." Blame the hubris and the self-destructive pathology both she and hubby Bill share, not WikiLeaks. Don't blame Comey or the Russians, blame HRC, who consistently spoke out of both sides of her mouth, never revealing her true intention because her only intent was to win; her allegiance only to herself. For Hillary, it was all about winning, making her the perfect model for our vapid, narcissistic “winners” culture.
Hillary's primary achievement in all her years in public office was to funnel bucket-loads of "Pay-To-Play" biz to the Foundation and in the final stretch, found herself struggling to establish her credibility and "connect" with a significant segment of registered Dems who just couldn't get past the stench of deceit and blind ambition in this most despicable, sanctimonious, fundamentally dishonest candidate. So much for “inevitability.”
For the Clintons, the chickens finally came home to roost. They’re finished. Disgraced. And now they can sell that home in Chapaqua and go back to Little Rock where they belong.
Don’t feel sorry for them. Assuming they don’t end up in prison these are people who will never have to worry about where the next rent check is coming from or whether they can afford decent health care or put food on the table. In reality, they’re the deplorables.
Good riddance!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3qvosHHcWc
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Hats for Sale:
"Make America Quake Again"
"Make America Quake Again"
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Is this the beginning of the Fourth Reich? With all those Republicans, the electoral map will again be modified and this with the help of the Trump’s Supreme Court. Bye, bye Democracy...
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Well, the electorate has spoken. We have collectively decided to light the fuse and throw the 'human Molotov cocktail', as Michael Moore put it, at our democracy. We are left with watching it burn to the ground as we contemplate extinguishing the embers and building anew.
God bless America...we will need it.
God bless America...we will need it.
My goodness aren't we bitter this morning? You want Mr. Trump to be gracious and have none to show yourself. You call Mr. Trump a liar but ignore Hillary's lies and numerous felonies - violations of the espionage act, federal records act and RICO statutes. In your bitterness and arrogance you insult all of the voters who supported Trump for perfectly legitimate reasons like preserving the Constitution with solid Constitution supporting Supreme Court nominees and cleaning up the District of Corruption. Shame on you.
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We call him a liar because he is a liar.
Last time I checked, telling the truth isn't a problem.
But I wouldn't expect Trump supporter to understand that. Because the deflection will never end.
It's about him and his lies.
Not her.
Last time I checked, telling the truth isn't a problem.
But I wouldn't expect Trump supporter to understand that. Because the deflection will never end.
It's about him and his lies.
Not her.
Eat crow and die New York Times. Your behavior as journalists was incredibly despicable.
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America has spoken.
America has apparently chosen to disregard the George W. Bush era.
America evidently feels the need for an antidote from the Barack Obama era
(despite his own mistakes, he did undo at least some of the damage by his predecessor).
America, you made your bed on Election Day...
Now, go lie in it.
America has apparently chosen to disregard the George W. Bush era.
America evidently feels the need for an antidote from the Barack Obama era
(despite his own mistakes, he did undo at least some of the damage by his predecessor).
America, you made your bed on Election Day...
Now, go lie in it.
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Waiting for the NYT editorial urging the Senate next year to perform its legislative duties and appoint the next Supreme Court Justice. Of course if Democrats attempt to filibuster Trump's choice I am certain that the NYT will criticize them for their obstructionism. The NYT would not want to be hypocritical.
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One expects to see a clergyman nominated to the Court, to inform the rest of the justices of God's judgment of cases.
Now, not to be ugly about it.
I recall many people on this blog threatening to leave the country if this happened.
No talk of that this morning.
Time to put your money where your mouth is.
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I recall many people on this blog threatening to leave the country if this happened.
No talk of that this morning.
Time to put your money where your mouth is.
Flights to Canada leaving daily
Check it out
WWW.kayak.com
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Of course you can be certain who Trump is. Haven't you paid attention? I'm angry you would write that. It's dodging the situation once again. You know exactly who this man is, and who the people are who elected him. You, the media, believed you could play with this situation, helping him to build a defeating, punishing view of Clinton. Did you honestly think he couldn't be elected? You, the NYTimes, helped hand him to us. Now, the alt right, armed, hate-filled, misogynistic third of our country feels empowered. What comes next is just as much on the head of the media who helped defeat Clinton as it is on the head of the Republican Party. Will we see Steve Bannon as Chief of Staff? Roger Stone as a cabinet member? Rudy Giuliani on the SCOTUS?
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Can a military coup be far behind?
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Nuts!
(Anthony McAuliffe's famous reply to the German demand for surrender of the surrounded US 101st Airborne Division at Bastogne)
(Anthony McAuliffe's famous reply to the German demand for surrender of the surrounded US 101st Airborne Division at Bastogne)
Oh please. The NYT, CNN, MSNBC and all the rest of the liberal world should prepare itself for a course adjustment. In the first 100 days Trump will get a majority of his list completed, beginning with a sweeping demolition of every BHO executive order on Day 1. He may as well put his pen down and quit signing them, they will be so much toilet paper on January 21st.
By reaching too high, too soon, President Obama evidently built his castle on sand.
You know what, liberal-progressives can get through 4 years of Trump. So can the rest of the world. He may cause suffering both here and abroad. So have other presidents. We are not a virtuous nation (religious, yes, but not virtuous.)
The main thing is what's been important with every president since 1945, prevent the use of nuclear armaments in the world. If we can get through another 4 years without that happening, that's an accomplishment.
We may not even lose Obamacare. We don't know what he might do. Obamacare needs fixing. We'll see what he does.
Next: the Supreme Court. He may not even nominate anyone, and if he does, the truth is that Trump is not a conservative beyond a kind of fiscal conservatism. It's not clear at all what he might do about the Court.
He could very well be a big privatizer. I expect that. And, as far as dealings with shady characters and denigration of the office of president both materially and spiritually, I expect impeachable action, much of it and problems with his famicly, but he won't be impeached.
The main thing is what's been important with every president since 1945, prevent the use of nuclear armaments in the world. If we can get through another 4 years without that happening, that's an accomplishment.
We may not even lose Obamacare. We don't know what he might do. Obamacare needs fixing. We'll see what he does.
Next: the Supreme Court. He may not even nominate anyone, and if he does, the truth is that Trump is not a conservative beyond a kind of fiscal conservatism. It's not clear at all what he might do about the Court.
He could very well be a big privatizer. I expect that. And, as far as dealings with shady characters and denigration of the office of president both materially and spiritually, I expect impeachable action, much of it and problems with his famicly, but he won't be impeached.
I'm just here to gloat. I know the NYT ministry of propaganda will never publish my comments. Enjoy your oblivion.
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Jenna Johnson compiled a list in the Washington Post (Jan. 22, 2016) of the 76 things Trump promised to do as President to that date. I plan to keep track and see how he does. It can serve as a handy reference as his term in office progresses. Wanna bet there will be a lot of unhappy Trump voters after a few months?
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Time for Canada to build a wall.
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Build THAT wall!!!
I have always felt that Donald Trump was revolting. The rest of the country will soon learn and agree.......
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What your newspaper have never been able to get through its head is that the people who voted for Trump loath the smug, preachy. holier-than-thou attitude that is evident reading between every line in your Opinion and Op-Ed columns. Your thinly veiled scorn for people in rural America, the South, and the Rust Belt has created this. Is now the time for you to reflect on this and see if you can re-order your thoughts and attitudes so that they may one day actually listen to you? Voted for G Johnson as only partially sane candidate so am no Trumpista, but I certainly understand their view.
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Please President Obama, appoint Merrick Garland on January 4th.
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Obama once said there was not two Americas, just The United States of America, and that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Completely wrong on both counts I would say.
This editorial again shows that the NYT Editorial Board is completely out of touch with mainstream middle America, which is especially a problem for professional journalists - who should be very much tuned to common people and understand them. Instead, the NYT Editorial Board lives in its own elitist cocoon where everyone who disagrees with them is attacked for one of the sins of racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia. Indeed, this election was a complete and total rejection of the racist/sexist/xenophobic rhetorical hypocrisy that the NYT Editorial Board and reporters, along with rest of mainstream media, write at every turn. They have no problems with Israel's wall and border enforcement against Palestinians and other Arabs and Muslims, yet believe it is xenophobic for the US to try to enforce our borders.
It is time to stop the divisive rhetoric and realize that you do not understand the motivation for Trumpism because you have lived in a sheltered environment where you have not heard the legitimate opposing point of view that Trump reflects to protect Americans and American jobs above all others.
It is time to stop the divisive rhetoric and realize that you do not understand the motivation for Trumpism because you have lived in a sheltered environment where you have not heard the legitimate opposing point of view that Trump reflects to protect Americans and American jobs above all others.
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If the racists, sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes hadn't voted yesterday, what do you think the result of this election would have been?
You guys seem to know him very well and that's good. Now be a good Fourth Estate and show him how to govern correctly (you know a lot, remember?) so we can all prosper, be safe and be proud of our America.
Give it a try; it won't hurt. Really.
Give it a try; it won't hurt. Really.
So now it seems we'll be stuck with President Role-Model. I thought God was supposed to love America. That's what they all said. You would think God and His pal, Lucifer, were bored, and made another bet, just like the last one.
When the Cubs won the Series, it was a portent. Now this. Welcome to dystopia, you Untied States of America, you brave new idiocracy, soon to be home to the Hunger Games
When the Cubs won the Series, it was a portent. Now this. Welcome to dystopia, you Untied States of America, you brave new idiocracy, soon to be home to the Hunger Games
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Sorry NYT, even though I agree with you, you were wrong, dead wrong on Trump, as you were on Iraq. Perhaps the ones who no longer read you have a point. Well, just as Rehnquist threw the election to W who gave us Iraq, Comey may well have thrown it to DJT, who may well give us....what? a nuclear war. If he doesn't, talk about grading on the curve, his presidency will be declared a success. As for the Clintons, let's see how contributions to their foundation make out, now that they are both politically dead. Interesting times ahead.
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Open letter to Justin Trudeau and the good people of Canada: please accept the annexation of our West Coast states, Washington, Oregon, and California, into your country. Baja Canada will enhance your GDP and spare you the mass migration across your borders. Thank you.
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Give them hell NYT. Keep after those stories that tell the truth. I still want to know what is in Trump's tax return. I want to know how the FBI became corrupted. I want to know real facts from reporters who do their research.
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So, poorly educated America, you whined and whined and whined some more and finally got your dream man, a man who took your country back when all looked lost.
Truly a love match, the poorly educated and Donald Trump.
He loves you, and you obviously love him back.
A "straight shooter" who "tells it like it is", and is going to 'blow up the system" that you have so come to despise.
I'm sure you two are going to be very happy together, as it's virtually impossible to imagine how this marriage could possibly go wrong.
Truly a love match, the poorly educated and Donald Trump.
He loves you, and you obviously love him back.
A "straight shooter" who "tells it like it is", and is going to 'blow up the system" that you have so come to despise.
I'm sure you two are going to be very happy together, as it's virtually impossible to imagine how this marriage could possibly go wrong.
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No more pandering and wasting time on LGBT bathrooms and silliness. We have serious business to attend to.
The message has been sent.
Are we coming in clear?????
The message has been sent.
Are we coming in clear?????
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And with all that he was, by far, still the better choice...
Nero is the new American emporer - Hail Donald!
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The last time we had an inexperienced person in the White house, he bought us 9/11, the Iraq war, and the biggest economic downturn since the depression. Let's hope Trump can do better than that.
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Well, perhaps if the NYT was more balanced and fair in its assessment of both candidates the outcome might have been somewhat different. How many people voted for Trump to show their disgust with the mainstream media?
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Dang!
The kids were right!. (and some of us oldsters too)
The Dude in the Black Rumpled Suit was a better choice.
Time to scrap the Dem. Party. Clean house and throw out the liars and cheats.
Resurrect The Peoples Party.
NOT the Corp., 1%, elite, oligarchy, plutocracy.
The kids were right!
The kids were right!. (and some of us oldsters too)
The Dude in the Black Rumpled Suit was a better choice.
Time to scrap the Dem. Party. Clean house and throw out the liars and cheats.
Resurrect The Peoples Party.
NOT the Corp., 1%, elite, oligarchy, plutocracy.
The kids were right!
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Nice words, NYT, but way too late.
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Noted american journalist H L Mencken once observed that “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard”. Well that’s about to happen big time for as he also predicted “on some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron” How prescient!
You still don't get it.
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Americans don't like the hard sell.
The NYT and the MSM were selling Clinton for all they were worth - and it was rejected. It was too transparent. And social media was there to expose the truth.
The vote was also a repudiation of the biased media.
The country is safer for not electing Hillary.
The NYT and the MSM were selling Clinton for all they were worth - and it was rejected. It was too transparent. And social media was there to expose the truth.
The vote was also a repudiation of the biased media.
The country is safer for not electing Hillary.
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Last evening, into this morning, Trump won a resounding and surprising victory. Now the NYT proclaims it 'heedless'. Since the NYT and its opinion page of endless Clinton, Obama, and DNC applauders has egg all over its face, it could just be time to admit you were all wrong in mixing political leaning with news.
Time to face up to having been wrong. Now, how many of your writers, reporters, and editors should be headed for the street?
Time to face up to having been wrong. Now, how many of your writers, reporters, and editors should be headed for the street?
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The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; [Trump's] supporters take him seriously, but not literally. - The Atlantic, 9/23/16
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Well, it is now more than obvious that the wrong person "won" the Debbie Wasserman Shultz primary. Only Bernie was both trustworthy & honest while still being up to change the insider system. Still, how could 59 million American adults vote for Trump ? Well . think about how 46% Americans Believe In Creationism According To Latest Gallup Poll http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/americans-believe-in-creationism
Most educated people today see the natural world through the lens of science rather than the Bible. That shift in perspective is largely complete outside the United States. The Gallup poll indicated however that more than 100 million Americans are not ready to abandon the biblical understanding of the natural world, insisting that the Earth is but a few thousand years old and that humans were created in their present forms.
Can you say U-S-A , U-S-A ?????
Most educated people today see the natural world through the lens of science rather than the Bible. That shift in perspective is largely complete outside the United States. The Gallup poll indicated however that more than 100 million Americans are not ready to abandon the biblical understanding of the natural world, insisting that the Earth is but a few thousand years old and that humans were created in their present forms.
Can you say U-S-A , U-S-A ?????
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Thank you for saying what I've been thinking all morning about Debbie Wasserman Schultz!
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The world has now a Brexit of Champions.
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To add insult to injury, I wake up this morning to find that HRC actually won the popular vote. So how about that? The populist didn't win the popular vote. So not once, not twice, not thrice, but now FOUR TIMES the candidate who won the popular vote lost the election. Can we please, PLEASE get rid of this ridiculous electoral college, a system that has far outlived its usefulness? There is no logical reason to keep it any longer.
For those interested, here's a good civics lesson on the trouble with the electoral college by CGP Grey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
For those interested, here's a good civics lesson on the trouble with the electoral college by CGP Grey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
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It works well when we like the outcome. We want to change it otherwise.
unfortunately, you are wrong. if a candidate promises something for all residents of california,ny,illinois, florida and texas, he would win the popular vote and screw the rest of the nation. thats not how it works. its hard enough with the electoral college, as evidenced by trumps win w/o the large populated states of california,illinois and ny. you cannot scorn the rest of the country with your elitism and shove your will down the throats of good, decent americans, no matter how much you despise them.
What happened? The working class of "flyover" America finally has had enough. The citizens that the NYT editorial writers look upon as dirt voted and your precious apple cart of elitism, greed, and multicultural imperatives has been upset. Hahahaha!! Live with it.
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No, actually you will live with it- Pence brought on an Aids epidemic in his own state. Who are these folks? The white folks in rural Indiana with heroin addictions. Solution? More privately-owned prisons.
There are at least 2 sides to everything.
Thanks New York Times for ignoring Bernie Sanders. Joe Biden or Bernie could have won this. Trump has the congress and will nominate hideous men to the Supreme Court.
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Pandora's Box is open now.
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The horror! The horror!
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We are all Homer Simpson now. D'oh!!
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No more slow news days, that's guaranteed!
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Hillary lost the election on immigration....plain and simple.
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people get the leaders that they deserve ....
OK we now have a Red America...My question for those who supported Mr. (now President Elect) Trump is: Now what? What do you propose to do to change this country for the better and how do you propose to do it...? Trump et al, when Trump was running, had an extremely thin repertoire of ideas for change, and primarily seemed to focus on exclusion and punishment for the current Democratic Administration and their supporters. Hillary and the Democrats in contrast had a detailed agenda for positive change. So, GOP, so Red America, so Mr. President Elect.....Time to show your hand....We are interested in whether you were simply bluffing or whether you simply knew you held an inside straight.
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Thanksgiving menu for the NYT: crow
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Indeed.
Well, about half the voters went for him, not her. OK, folks, you got it. Just remember what you voted for.....ALL of it. You voted for the whole package, folks. Now it will be open season not only on Obamacare, but also those old favorites, Social Security and Medicare. All you folks who want the government to take its hands off your Medicare - you might get your wish. And of course, since it's government holding up your Medicare...poof! It will be gone! Maybe your SS also. Are your children and grandchildren going to support you? We'll see. And think of everything that has gotten a green light: racism, xenophobia, misogyny. My heart aches for the younger generation of women.....at least I'm on the way out. But look on the bright side: he's probably solved the illegal immigration problem - and legal immigration as well. I suspect far, far fewer folks would like to come here, now. Thanks, Donny boy.
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As hard as the NYTimes, that font of biased journalism, and the rest of the mainstream media worked to destroy Trump, it was all for naught.
Trump 1, NYTimes 0.
Last night was a total repudiation of Obama's leftist legacy. No more Obamacare, no more oppressive regulations, no more ILLEGAL immigration, no more lawlessness from this, the most corrupt administration in history.
Constitution 1, Obama 0.
Trump 1, NYTimes 0.
Last night was a total repudiation of Obama's leftist legacy. No more Obamacare, no more oppressive regulations, no more ILLEGAL immigration, no more lawlessness from this, the most corrupt administration in history.
Constitution 1, Obama 0.
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We must Remember the Democratic process and not the NY Times decide elections.
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Our long national nightmare is over .. or just beginning .. I can't tell.
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To have a better view of who Donald Trump will be during the next four years, just look at the past seventy.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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Hate to tell you this, but you are on the precipice of irrelevancy.
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Thank you, NYtimes, for your contribution. The Bernie blackout that you supported so valiantly has destroyed the power democratic party.
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My sentiment entirely.
I still have Bernies bumper sticker on my car, and I will leave it there, until it wears off, as a constant reminder to our oh so Dumb, Blind, Stupid, and Corrupt Democratic machine, that there was a path to victory, and it was Bernie Sanders, the most honorable gentleman from Vermont.
Absolute fools, blinded by unbridled avarice.
I still have Bernies bumper sticker on my car, and I will leave it there, until it wears off, as a constant reminder to our oh so Dumb, Blind, Stupid, and Corrupt Democratic machine, that there was a path to victory, and it was Bernie Sanders, the most honorable gentleman from Vermont.
Absolute fools, blinded by unbridled avarice.
Well, you wanted democracy. Be careful what you wish for.
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The NY Times abandoned its journalistic integrity and became a cheerleader for Hillary Clinton. This unrelenting bias made its way to the NEWS stories (which were actually opinion pieces masquerading as news stories). The NY Times and the Mainstream Media are complicit in the election of this man. Instead of abandoning this tactic, they have doubled down with their editorial.
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"His victory is a humbling blow to the news media, the pollsters and the Clinton-dominated Mainstream Media Democratic leadership."
Fixed it.
Fixed it.
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One other change -
Replace "Humbling" with "Well Deserved"
Replace "Humbling" with "Well Deserved"
The NY Times got the candidate they wanted, just not the outcome they wanted.
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Is this where Second Amendment People rise up to correct what DJT declared is an obviously rigged election?
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Hillary WON the election! She won the popular vote.
Yes that is right. She won.
Yes that is right. She won.
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Maybe the NYT should get out of its bubble and see how the 99% lives.
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Clinton won the popular vote so don't get too out there.
The NY Times and its many over-educated readers are out-of-touch with reality as yesterday's results demonstrate. Yet, you cannot even take off a day or day from telling everyone what is best for them (i.e. you). Go back to calling everyone racist and stupid. Then you can feel smug and hey, maybe people will like that this time around.
Or better yet, maybe we should just get rid of democracy! Let only those with PHDs from a top ten school vote. Technocratic liberalism for all!
Or better yet, maybe we should just get rid of democracy! Let only those with PHDs from a top ten school vote. Technocratic liberalism for all!
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Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would have beaten this guy easily. Time for a Dem soul searching.
I think we should take a look at this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white...
I think we should take a look at this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white...
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Trumps First 100 days:
Roll Back Roe V Wade
Eradicate Social Security
Rip up all trade agreements
Renegotiate the National Debt (resulting in higher prices for all)
Take the US out of NATO
Undo the ACA
Make First Offical overseas visit to Russia.
Roll Back Roe V Wade
Eradicate Social Security
Rip up all trade agreements
Renegotiate the National Debt (resulting in higher prices for all)
Take the US out of NATO
Undo the ACA
Make First Offical overseas visit to Russia.
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A gracious, hopeful, and conciliatory message. Thank you, NY Times editorial board.
It is up to you NYT, the nation is counting on you to keep Mr. Trump's feet to the fire, every day, for the next 4 years.
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R.I.P. "America"..there are no more red states or blue states, only "white" states. That has now become amazingly, stunningly crystal clear.
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Welcome to the Third World, America. You a now a vassal state of the Russians
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I now know how the Jews in Germany felt when Hitler was elected.
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Such bitter losers. Is there no grace in defeat NY Times?
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Memo to NYT editorial board, smugness lost last night. How about wishing our new president good luck.
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I subscribe to the Times, and am thoroughly disgusted with their never-ending drive to manage perception.
Thankfully the American people finally developed a backbone last night
There was a time when they had some grace, now gone, regrettably.
Thankfully the American people finally developed a backbone last night
There was a time when they had some grace, now gone, regrettably.
Well, we now have a know-nothing certifiable lunatic in the White House. What a great sit-com this will make. Can't wait for Bill Maher's show on Friday. Nobody knows what Trump will do and what other lunatics will join his staff. But there's an old saying that you accept the things you cannot change. That's where we are. So enjoy the show.
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And YOU, New York Times and your lazy, smug reporters and editors, did so much to LEGITIMIZE Trump and his fascists from day one. You legitimized him, over and over again. You did the same thing with the Bush-Cheney regime, when it stole the election in 2000 with the help of that most politicized body, the Supreme Court. Your op-ed columnists like the catty Maureen Dowd, who has never done anything in her life to help other people, used her highly visible platform to destroy Hillary Clinton. David Brooks, that conservative mouthpiece and apologist for the Republican fascists, played his role, too. Your editorial is too little, too late. At least have the courage to call what these people what they are: fascists. And now start using your powerful media platform to call for an elimination of the antiquated Electoral College, an institution that prevents the winner of the popular vote in a presidential election from rightfully winning the contest. The mainstream media failed in their job. Now, not being able to trust the media means that we really have nowhere to turn. Stop legitimizing evil. Stop legitimizing the fascists.
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Don't forget his promise to throttle the first amendment!
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Where's your odds chart now?
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The legionnaires are overwhelmed. The barbarians are at the gate. Prepare for sack, rape and pillage and a new dark age. My heart goes out to helpless conquered peoples everywhere --Romans, Byzantines, Mediterranean villages sold into slavery, Nazi rule, Taliban controlled villages, Russia ...The rule of law and the custom of decency are a very thin wall to protect the best in a culture from its own worst nature.
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NYT, please let us know what happened to your forecast which had said the chance of Clinton winning to be more than 80% right before the ballot. Why were you wrong?
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Thank God!
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You at the NYT are just as much to blame. You failed in your duty as investigators and analysts to look beyond the usual places and methods of polling. You created a mythological Clinton victory even when it was nowhere near viable. You failed to investigate the data miners who warned of the coming apocalypse, you were smug, you sat on your hands and didn't do your jobs. You failed to inform and spent months captivated by what Donald might do next. And the whole time you missed the biggest story of all. Today you look like you've said 'who me' and carry on as normal as though you bear no responsibility, along with your media counterparts. Perhaps now you failed me as a subscriber, along with many others, you'll get of your stake fat backsides and start truly reporting and investigating. Scone again the leading edge of journalism rather than a second rate basket of out of date pundits and technology.
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Is it still going to be OK if the majority of the American people pick the president they want?
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The smallness of this editorial board can never be overestimated. Still marching to the sound of your own broken drum: "temperamentally unfit." So much for journalism....
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Cynics Unite!
We have been vindicated!
We are indeed, what we have maintained all along: REALISTS.
It is not with pleasure that I say this.
We have been vindicated!
We are indeed, what we have maintained all along: REALISTS.
It is not with pleasure that I say this.
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I feel as I did waking up on 9/12/2001.
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You're not alone. I just made the same comment on Ross Douthat's pages.
”When he’s sworn in as president on January 20, 2017, on that day, his opinions are going to matter. And you will remember that date, because it’s the one that time travelers from the future will come back to to try and stop the whole thing from happening.” John Oliver, Last Week Tonight, Feb 28th 2016.
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Frank Zappa asked "Who are the Brain Police?"
With the likes of Giuliani, Gingrich, Gowdy calling the shotsand their lapdog Comey, with his hands on the controls of the post-9/11 intelligence collection tools and anxious to comply , we may be about to find out.
With the likes of Giuliani, Gingrich, Gowdy calling the shotsand their lapdog Comey, with his hands on the controls of the post-9/11 intelligence collection tools and anxious to comply , we may be about to find out.
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So many sour grapes here.
Libs can dish it out but can't take it.
Enjoy the next four years........
Libs can dish it out but can't take it.
Enjoy the next four years........
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I'd like to give a big shout out to James Comey, Vladimir Putin, and Julian Assange, who did such a terrific job of casting asperions on Hillary. Well done, men. You are true revolutionaries.
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Funny. Haven't heard a word today about the election being rigged....
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I woke up at 3:30am wondering what the results of the election had been. Haven't been able to sleep since. A friend called me at 5:30am. We both were in shock. How can Americans accept someone who is so unfit? God help us all.
An Australian friend had emailed me that she was praying that Trump not be elected. A British friend working in Malaysia told me that "Americans won't vote for him". A Canadian friend sent me emails letting me know that she also was against Trump. (A Huffington Post article yesterday said that 80% of Canadians feared a Trump Presidency.)
Stock markets around the world are falling as if a major world catastrophe had occurred. IT HAS!!
An Australian friend had emailed me that she was praying that Trump not be elected. A British friend working in Malaysia told me that "Americans won't vote for him". A Canadian friend sent me emails letting me know that she also was against Trump. (A Huffington Post article yesterday said that 80% of Canadians feared a Trump Presidency.)
Stock markets around the world are falling as if a major world catastrophe had occurred. IT HAS!!
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Lots of handwringing by many, including NYT editorial staff. It's natural to fear something you don't understand.But America is going to survive. Rule of Law will persist(one of our greatest strengths) despite the "sleaziness" of the candidate. So NYT please take this opportunity to self examine your own faults. Too long you have been out of touch with issues thousands of miles from your offices but my how quick you are to comment. Part of the candidates victory is a rebuke by individuals tired of being talked down to by media elites out of touch with the true will of the ENTIRE nation. Expand your staff to include more outside of the east coast liberal elite. You might just sell more papers in the process.
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I can see you did not learn anything last night.The NYT is now worse than Fox News. I can't think of anything worse to say.
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Once Upon A Time In Amerikkka ... I weep with sadness for this country my family emigrated to in the early 20th century. For those angry and despondent voters who wanted some lost vision of the old Amerikkka back, I can only say how awful it will be for you when you realize you elected a phantom of a man. Instead you got a monster of ego, a child with nuclear weapons tucked under his arms, an empty shell of a human being with nothing in mind except himself. As a bonus you got all of his self-indulgent children. I can't blame you any more than I do right now. I can only say how wrong it will turn out for you - and for the rest of us in the USA, North America and the known world. Morning in Amerikkka looks grim indeed.
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"His victory is humbling blow for the news media ..." Are you kidding me? It all but killed a bias-based, insider machine and proved alternative media to be superior.
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It's incredible to believe that all the items you list in your editorial is the will of the people. The name, republican party is no longer appropriate. A better name is Fascist party. I feel sick !!
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Now the GOP has to deliver: health care, the end of Daesh, taking Iraqi oil, build the wall, make Mexico pay for it.
Trump voters will be seriously disappointed.
Trump voters will be seriously disappointed.
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You don't get it
Those who elected trump won last night because they defeated the Clinton machine.
Everything from here is gravy.
Those who elected trump won last night because they defeated the Clinton machine.
Everything from here is gravy.
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It's too bad that the NY Times coverage of the election was not as forthright as this editorial. I think you gave Hillary Clinton a hatchet job and contributed to the US citizens believing that he is more honest than she.
The NY Times reporting and editorial staff need to look at themselves in the mirror.
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The NYT lost a lot of credibility with its coverage of this presidential election. Even when viewed through a left lens, the reporting was frequently and unfairly biased. The NYT made its deal with the devil early on and showed a remarkable intransigency as campaign developments continued to unfold. It's time to get back to the world-class reporting the NYT is capable of and known for.
Wait what happened to all of the moralizing about how the loser is to congratulate the winner, declare that he is our president and pledge to work together? Isn't that what you said Trump had to do if he lost?
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Please. Read both the President and Ms. did already
sounds like sour grapes to me. I believe he won fair and square did he not. So, be big boys and girls and say you'll support the new prez...
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It ain't him. It never was about Trump. It is THEM. The Stepford Americans.
Move your money into Bonds or Gold.
Move your money into Bonds or Gold.
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I'm guessing Pence will be running the show, or maybe Melania, because the Donald can't possibly IMHO.
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Thank you to Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders for helping elect Donald Trump.
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The NY TIMES could not have had it more wrong.
Change is never heedless.
Change is never heedless.
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Maybe it's time to look into the FBI's role in this election (outcome?).
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Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
-Bob Dylan
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
-Bob Dylan
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The NYT clearly does not get it.
What a joke you knuckleheads are.
Your "editorial board" and the like is precisely what the U.S. voter is repudiating.
The people have spoken!
What a joke you knuckleheads are.
Your "editorial board" and the like is precisely what the U.S. voter is repudiating.
The people have spoken!
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They have spoken. But can they read?
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My, My! I do not yet know how the GOP did it.....it surely is not easy to spread so much egg on the faces of the MEDIA. Trump's success at outfoxing FOX should earn him great rewards. Writing as a Democrat, I must say that the Republicans are much more successful at playing the political game than are the Dems. Now, I wonder how the GOP will be able to sidestep reality and demonstrate leadership in the sure-to-follow troubled times.
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The one good thing out of this election is watching the absolutely epic meltdown of CNN and The NYT. Ill bet more than a few votes were votes against you guys telling the rest of us what is good for us. Get over yourselves. Wake up, have a cup of coffee and get to work just like you did yesterday. Stop the doom and gloom, you are wrong about that too!
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After all the mind-boggling statistics and expert surety that began last nights news coverage, Donald Trump won. I voted for Clinton, yet I felt sad that the NYT felt it necessary to further eviscerate our next president in this opening editorial. What does that say about the NYT support for Americans and their democracy. Shame on you.
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Just out of curiousity, Grey Lady Editorial Board - how many of your readers voted for you?
So, will he be locking her up?
How will this guy govern? By twitter?
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I may not be pleased with the outcome, and surely the NYT is not. But I expected more from a morning-after editorial than ANOTHER hand-wringing list of Mr. Trump's sins. Perhaps a little analysis. Even an admission of guilt would have garnered more respect from this leader. Reading this and the other opinion pieces, it seems clear that they were drafted AFTER the fact, under duress and lack of sleep (and a lack of objectivity, but that's obvious). The editors apparently believed their own polls so much that they did not prepare for the outcome. But I'll bet their "Hillary won!" editorials have been prepared and polished for weeks.
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Maybe if newspapers like the New York Times didn't try their hardest to cover-up every dirty trick by Mrs. Clinton...maybe if news outlets like CNN were not involved in the complicity and the fraud the democratic party used against Mr. Sanders...then maybe Mr. Trump would not have got elected? Maybe, just maybe, if the news outlets would have reported the news instead of being the news this would not have happened? And just maybe, if the geniuses and pundits stopped making fun of the people in the middle of the country....the one's who believe in a diety... this would not have happened. And just maybe if Mrs. Clinton didn't rely so much on superstars like Bruce Springstein and Cher and Beyonce, Mr. Trump might not have won. You cannot plead and fight for the working class when the only people you hang out with are multi-millionaires or billionaires. Please get back to reporting the news and stop trying to make the news. Shame on all of you!!!!!!
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Trumps winning the Presidency of the US is the result of the past 8 years...
Now the NY Times op-ed writers have something to write about for a while...
Now the NY Times op-ed writers have something to write about for a while...
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While we're pointing fingers, don't forget the media's role...
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Here goes the NYT editorial all silly on us again.
Save us the education of how ill-prepared or unfit Trump is - you said the same about his ability to win and look how well THAT worked out. Just let the future work itself out. As president he turn out horrible, great, or anything else in between.
But one thing is for sure - YOU are last ones we should turn to for an educated opinion. You are the proof positive that utter stupidity is always an open option for the truly intelligent.
Save us the education of how ill-prepared or unfit Trump is - you said the same about his ability to win and look how well THAT worked out. Just let the future work itself out. As president he turn out horrible, great, or anything else in between.
But one thing is for sure - YOU are last ones we should turn to for an educated opinion. You are the proof positive that utter stupidity is always an open option for the truly intelligent.
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Wait till tomorrow's Charles Blow diatribe. More stupid to come, guaranteed.
The right now controls all 3 branches, plus eventually the Supreme Court, so keep in mind the old saying - you break it, you own it. You'll have no one to blame but yourselves when things fall apart. When unemployment is back to 10% by this time next year, what will you do then? Who will you blame? Obama? Clinton?
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You, New York Times, and the many other Clinton sycophants, have smeared yourselves with well-digested egg! And, YES, you and many of the other Clinton "news media" ARE to BLAME for Trump!
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Don the Con -
God help us all from January 20th on out.
God help us all from January 20th on out.
The saddest thing is the realization that this is not the country you thought, you hoped, it was. May God protect the United States of America.
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Back on Oct 1, I posted the following comment in response to Dr. Krugman's Op-Ed piece How the Clinton-Trump Race Got Close:
I believe you and so many others are missing the message here, and at our collective peril. Secretary Clinton didn’t get “Gored,” rather the heart of America went far too long ignored. This is a whole different sort of election. People aren’t voting for Mr. Trump, they’re voting NO. Not more of the same. Anything but more of the same. “You’re not hearing us Ms. Washington D.C. How are you going to make my life better? Improve the lives of my children, family, loved ones and friends? Tell me how I’m going to be better off four years from now. I ain’t any better now than I was 8 years ago so what are you going to do that’s different? DIFFERENT! I want to hear DIFFERENT! And if I don’t, then we’re ALL going to see a whole other sort of different. And I think Mr. Trump can absolutely deliver on that.”
Apparently Ms. Clinton either failed to hear them, or was incapable of effectively responding.
I believe you and so many others are missing the message here, and at our collective peril. Secretary Clinton didn’t get “Gored,” rather the heart of America went far too long ignored. This is a whole different sort of election. People aren’t voting for Mr. Trump, they’re voting NO. Not more of the same. Anything but more of the same. “You’re not hearing us Ms. Washington D.C. How are you going to make my life better? Improve the lives of my children, family, loved ones and friends? Tell me how I’m going to be better off four years from now. I ain’t any better now than I was 8 years ago so what are you going to do that’s different? DIFFERENT! I want to hear DIFFERENT! And if I don’t, then we’re ALL going to see a whole other sort of different. And I think Mr. Trump can absolutely deliver on that.”
Apparently Ms. Clinton either failed to hear them, or was incapable of effectively responding.
We will all suffer for this election result - some more than others. Some day those who voted for this thing will have to answer for their vote. Meantime, assess, adjust and ascend. We have no choice - Mars is not ready for us yet..................
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NOT SINCE MY MOTHER DIED have I felt so discouraged about the future. But, that event only affected me and a handful of loved ones.
Last night’s funeral was far worse. Last night we lost that very thing that could have made America great again: Hope for the future.
I grieve, too, for those of you who were energized by his most incredible display of cruel, hateful, divisive, bullying since his reality television show. You may get your revenge, but at what price? “Only I can fix it” is the answer not of a consensus builder, but of a despot-in-training.
To those who support our the president-elect: You have welcomed the fox to the henhouse, now you will see how bad it can really get. And, that’s just here at home! DJT’s attitudes toward the intricacies of global relations and economics are nothing short of terrifying. Even more ludicrous, he believes the world community will respond when he cracks his little whip. God, America’s enemies must be rejoicing.
In his defense, he pulled no punches. We’re looking at four years of Guiliani, Christie, Hannity, Limbaugh and Huckabee. Stay tuned to watch hius empire crumble into sand while he leaves us blindly here to stand, but still not dreaming.
Sauve qui peut.
Last night’s funeral was far worse. Last night we lost that very thing that could have made America great again: Hope for the future.
I grieve, too, for those of you who were energized by his most incredible display of cruel, hateful, divisive, bullying since his reality television show. You may get your revenge, but at what price? “Only I can fix it” is the answer not of a consensus builder, but of a despot-in-training.
To those who support our the president-elect: You have welcomed the fox to the henhouse, now you will see how bad it can really get. And, that’s just here at home! DJT’s attitudes toward the intricacies of global relations and economics are nothing short of terrifying. Even more ludicrous, he believes the world community will respond when he cracks his little whip. God, America’s enemies must be rejoicing.
In his defense, he pulled no punches. We’re looking at four years of Guiliani, Christie, Hannity, Limbaugh and Huckabee. Stay tuned to watch hius empire crumble into sand while he leaves us blindly here to stand, but still not dreaming.
Sauve qui peut.
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My mother was just buried on Monday. I woke my 9 year old daughter and 7 year old son this morning and had to explain that another terrible thing happened.
I wish the popular vote determined the presidency not the electoral college.
I fear the following will be destroyed:
Women's rights, Civil rights, Social justice, religious diversity, and tolerance.
My only hope us that Trump reverts to the democrat he once was....
I wish the popular vote determined the presidency not the electoral college.
I fear the following will be destroyed:
Women's rights, Civil rights, Social justice, religious diversity, and tolerance.
My only hope us that Trump reverts to the democrat he once was....
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Time for a change.
THAT says it all.
THAT says it all.
Oh, it's gonna change all right. I'm reminded of that old saying - "be careful what you wish for...".
Well when the GOP sees what it has done they will be due for a diaper change. They just sold America out to a lunatic who is enamored of an ex-KGB guy in Russia. So much for the Reagan patter.
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Perhaps the apparently total bias in every story of the formerly great "Grey Lady" and many other previously objective newspapers made it impossible not give a "toss off and stop telling us how to think" vote....or perhaps the CHANGE that Obama campaigned for and Hillary seemed to wish to continue was not the CHANGE that Americans wanted. Marcus Aurelius said, "The universe is change; our life is what our thoughts make it." Let us be the change we wish for.
We were promised changed by the Clintons for over 8 years...nothing ...we were promised change by Obama....nothing...Now I bet times are a changing...Bob Dylan Nobel prize winner
lot of whining going on today -- "this isn't my country.....waaaah" I think what the times and the echo chamber don't realize is that the drumbeat of nasty, vile, defamatory editorials and comments directed at Trump and his supporters pushed a lot of people who might have been persuaded to vote for HRC away. Concept of diminishing returns.
And, the times and echo chamber had on blinders when it came to HRC as did the democratic party. All you could see was first woman president, liberal, etc. when what you were looking at was unlikable candidate with no charisma and a history of scandal and a failed career politician. So you defended her and attacked and attacked and attacked the right. Belittled them. Called them stupid.
Who looks stupid now?
And, the times and echo chamber had on blinders when it came to HRC as did the democratic party. All you could see was first woman president, liberal, etc. when what you were looking at was unlikable candidate with no charisma and a history of scandal and a failed career politician. So you defended her and attacked and attacked and attacked the right. Belittled them. Called them stupid.
Who looks stupid now?
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Who looks stupid now?
The United States of America that would vote out of fear and hatred by voting for a con man to "lead" our nation - that is the real stupidity here.
The United States of America that would vote out of fear and hatred by voting for a con man to "lead" our nation - that is the real stupidity here.
I went to bed last night at 11:30 EST when several key states were still too close to call. After a sound night's sleep, I climbed from bed hopeful in the outcome. With coffee made, I sat before my Mac and opened the NT Times home page. "TRUMP TRIUMPHS," read the headline. Now I'm depressed.
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Well, you have the precipice part right, but it is you, the elite liberal establishment press who now stands on it. Go ahead. Be brave. JUMP!
Lord help us
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Ah, the peasants arrived at their master's gate with pitchforks and torches. The ivory towers of the liberal left have been captured and burned. Previously, I never imagined the NYT so blatantly backing a candidate, going far beyond journalism and into the realm of propaganda as any good Banana Republic outlet would do. Now I read your negative comments with glee as you wallow in your self-pity and parse what went wrong. What went wrong? America has had enough of Obama liberalism. His legacy? Obama Care, the Iran deal? LOL
Please NYT editors, the election is over, Trump has won and is the next POTUS.
Your angry bitter comments deliberately forget a simple glaring fact: it is NOT a single man, that you treat with disdain and open contempt. It is THE MAJORITY of Americans that you are despising. Think about it. Deal.
Your angry bitter comments deliberately forget a simple glaring fact: it is NOT a single man, that you treat with disdain and open contempt. It is THE MAJORITY of Americans that you are despising. Think about it. Deal.
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Open offer. Any of you folks who just can't swallow a Trump presidency and have declared your intention to leave the country if he were to be elected, just let me know and I'll help you pack your bags and load your truck.
Hillary for Prison - 2017!
Hillary for Prison - 2017!
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Approximately 118M of 219M eligible American voters voted. That is, 54% of the eligible voters turned out to vote. Of the 118M votes cast, 59M were for Trump, representing 27% of all eligible voters. In other words, a quarter of our voting population has set us down this path. Let's hope our checks and balances hold strong.
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This is EXACTLY why there is a revolt against the NYT and the left wing media establishment. You simply don't get it. You ignored or refused to print anything positive about Trump and basically got in bed with Hillary. Don't feel so bad, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, et. al. did the same. You all have exposed yourself to be fools we always knew you were. Only difference now is henceforth, it's out in the open. How you can write an article about Trump providing all of these personal or character defects and pretend that Hillary was any better is beyond me. You idiots are the ones who gave us Trump. You have now made yourselves completely and totally irrelevant.
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To do: Get up and go to work, and fight harder for liberty and justice for all.
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The NYT still doesn't get - hopeless.
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I think we should take a look at this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white...
Dear Mrs.Clinton, I am so deeply sorry and sick to my stomach over the election. You were beaten--not bested--by a ruthless competitor, a gladiator of hate, who found a pinprick in the fabric of our country and worked at that small hole until it became a gaping yawn that destroyed in its path civility, liberty, and hope. You were not helped by emails [including those hacked], misogyny, terrible luck [anthony weiner et al], supposed carriers of justice [james comey], and a monstrous tsunami of relentless and unfair criticism.
You remain a champion.
You remain a champion.
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To all the working class people who voted for Trump: You deserve what you get.
To all the minorities who did not bother to vote: You deserve what you get.
To all the Sanders people who voted for a third party or did not vote: You especially deserve what you get.
This election may mark the end of the ideal of America.
To all the minorities who did not bother to vote: You deserve what you get.
To all the Sanders people who voted for a third party or did not vote: You especially deserve what you get.
This election may mark the end of the ideal of America.
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Vox populi, vox populi.
And here you are NY Times editorial board, still thinking you know better than the people what the people want. It's that smug, progressive ideal of thinking you know best that lost you and your candidate this race. But still you persist.
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For those who bought into Reagan's tripe about "government" being the problem, you are about to find out.
Be careful what you wish for. You will have no one to blame but yourself.
Be careful what you wish for. You will have no one to blame but yourself.
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How does the times explain their incompetence regarding the election polling and prediction ? News outlets were mocking the NYT upshot polling because in two hours it went from 94% Hillary will win then 95 percent Trump will win.
Times you weren't even close and should be embarrassed. I doubt you'll answer.
Times you weren't even close and should be embarrassed. I doubt you'll answer.
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The science behind the polling could have been robust, but the guy/gal polled could have lied to the pollster.
No amount of science can adjust for that.
No amount of science can adjust for that.
New York Times, how about you start to be a NEWSPAPER again?
STOP the jaunty banter between journalists on serious subjects.
STOP dumbing down the newspaper to appeal to Millennials.
STOP the false equivalencies wherever they are.
STOP buying websites that tell me what toaster to buy.
STOP laying of journalists and START to invest in your newsroom.
STOP burying important news stories in endless features through the eyes of one person. That doesn't inform. It creates bathos.
STOP trying to make your journalists into personalities. I don't care who they are. I care what they write.
STOP loosening up your writing style. Who, what where, when, etc. You know. Inverted pyramid?
In short, become a NEWSPAPER again. STOP trying to be a magazine. Cover the news. Investigate. Inform.
START listening to your commenters. We've been screaming about the deterioration of your news sense for years now. And now we have Trump. Thanks.
STOP the jaunty banter between journalists on serious subjects.
STOP dumbing down the newspaper to appeal to Millennials.
STOP the false equivalencies wherever they are.
STOP buying websites that tell me what toaster to buy.
STOP laying of journalists and START to invest in your newsroom.
STOP burying important news stories in endless features through the eyes of one person. That doesn't inform. It creates bathos.
STOP trying to make your journalists into personalities. I don't care who they are. I care what they write.
STOP loosening up your writing style. Who, what where, when, etc. You know. Inverted pyramid?
In short, become a NEWSPAPER again. STOP trying to be a magazine. Cover the news. Investigate. Inform.
START listening to your commenters. We've been screaming about the deterioration of your news sense for years now. And now we have Trump. Thanks.
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I agree. There are too many stories that look like they could be written for Vanity Fair or the Atlantic.........and not enough real news. It's time to pull back on the notion that the news has to be entertaining.
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Not since Andrew Johnson . . . .
So you still won't acknowledge your role in all this? You won't admit that your identity politics, your siding with the DNC to hand over the nomination to Secretary Clinton, and your constant, relentless insults towards the voters may have helped to this? Good luck getting different results with the same formula that led to today. The Democrat establishment should pay attention and listen to their own base. Yes, that same base deemed as a bunch of "looneys" by the NYT et al.
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Read my lips, NYT.
Bernie.
Bernie.
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Row vs. Wade - GONE! What a mess! It will be Democrats buying the guns today.
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We're doomed.
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Is there any journalist there at the New York Times or all other major media looking in the mirror this morning that isn't thinking they should turn in their badge?......
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Credit where credit is due, NY Times. It was shocking the degree to which you ignored Sanders and promoted Hillary during the primary. Nearly every columnist, every editorial. You missed the movement in your strangely frantic effort to shore up the status quo. Could Bernie have bested Trump? Don't know, but you really didn't want to find out. Your finger was on the scale too. Now where is your self-reflection, your crit/self-crit, your mea culpa?
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You think as liberals you were born to rule because of your love affair with Identity politics: Gender, Race , and Sexual Orientation but most people don"t care about these issues; they relate to their community of like minded soul who share their values.
You cant run the west since the 1960s without being out of touch; you are now the establishment yesterday radicals are today"s enemy of the people. What goes around comes around; don"t you think?
You cant run the west since the 1960s without being out of touch; you are now the establishment yesterday radicals are today"s enemy of the people. What goes around comes around; don"t you think?
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If you want to keep your sanity, cancel your TV cable subscription and watch Netflix.
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I'm not a victim and prefer living in the real world. Being a victim and living in a cocoon is really not good for anyone's grasp of reality. let me explain. Trump is not a fascist, a racist, a homophobe, a Russian spy, or a right wing conspiracy. He has no buisness interests in Russia and has never met Putin. He has pledged to try to lift up every American and bring the country back from a drifting dishonor and lack of purpose. His only mistake was to become the target of a corrupt political machine aided by an unholy alliance with big media and wall street. Wake up, you've been punked stupid.
"So who is the man who will be the 45th president?"
That's easy. He's the darling of the KKK.
That's easy. He's the darling of the KKK.
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Hey, where's Nate "Wrong about Everything" Cohn?
I want to hear more about why the polls in June and July - showing Clinton and Trump neck and neck, and Sanders double digits above Trump - I want to hear more from Nate about why those polls "don't matter".
I want to hear more about why the polls in June and July - showing Clinton and Trump neck and neck, and Sanders double digits above Trump - I want to hear more from Nate about why those polls "don't matter".
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Precipice, huh?
No mention of the slippery slope of de-industrialization/bad trade deals,, deficits, imperial overreach, serial wars, ever expanding surveillance, corruption and hubris that we"ve been sliding down since, well, Jimmy Carter or thereabouts that *got* us there...
Instead of whining, people might do well to engage and work on the above problems and pitch in for some major housecleaning of the major party establishments.
Then, if Trump and the Republicans prove unsatisfactory, you'll have something to bring to the table besides an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, nepotism and corruption and you can FIRE them.
No mention of the slippery slope of de-industrialization/bad trade deals,, deficits, imperial overreach, serial wars, ever expanding surveillance, corruption and hubris that we"ve been sliding down since, well, Jimmy Carter or thereabouts that *got* us there...
Instead of whining, people might do well to engage and work on the above problems and pitch in for some major housecleaning of the major party establishments.
Then, if Trump and the Republicans prove unsatisfactory, you'll have something to bring to the table besides an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, nepotism and corruption and you can FIRE them.
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I've never felt ashamed to be an American, until now.
I knew this could happen, but I never really thought it would.
Who knows what this will bring.
Who knows.
I knew this could happen, but I never really thought it would.
Who knows what this will bring.
Who knows.
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"Oh, Canada..."
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Take a chill pill Russ, let the adults worry about your paranoid fantasies. Being ashamed is a good thing for you. Being stupidly misled by left wing nitwits that a two year old could see through and being had by zealots for sport is reason for shame but try to leave the rest of us out.
Instead of being the paper "of all the news that was fit to print" you turned yourselves into an unpaid advertisement for Ms Clinton !
Then you wonder why Trump won!
Then you wonder why Trump won!
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You're actually asking the effete moral degenerates that spew disinformation and subversion to take responsibility for their crimes against journalism? Read this yadayadayada editorial again, these nitwits think they're spotless. Fools.
America- Reap what you sow.
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We already did bunky, for the last eight years and we're sick and tired of being sick and tired.
While others castigate the New York Times, I
thank the NYT. I appreciate the thorough
reporting and informed opinion in the
best traditions of journalism.
Please keep up the great work! We need you more
than ever.
thank the NYT. I appreciate the thorough
reporting and informed opinion in the
best traditions of journalism.
Please keep up the great work! We need you more
than ever.
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Why not just pull the blankets over your head and hold your breath, you'd be better off than being punked by big media.
My congratulations to the American people for their choice of President For too long career politicians looked on the Presidency as their right to be there. The mold has been broken and, in m y opinion, politics will never be the same again. Well done AMERICA.
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Very, dark days are ahead for this once great nation. Thomas Jefferson once said that one of his greatest fears for the future of this country was an unenlightened electorate.Well Mr. Jefferson, your greatest fear has come true through an unenlightened individual who has no love for this country but only for himself. I will understand if you, and the other Founding Fathers, will not stop spinning in your graves anytime soon.
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Are we tired of all the winning yet?
So much for the Upshot's hypothetical placeholder making that 35 yard field goal. As they lement up here in Buffalo - WIDE RIGHT.
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Dark times ahead. The age of American venom and demagoguery has arrived.
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I bet Americans are expecting a form of civility and restrain from their new President.
I dissent... because I imagine a house and a Tiger... walking around and hungry... and the family that lives there walking around as well... trying to avoid a fatal encounter... but at the same time trying to carry on with their normal lives.
After a campaign full of lies the Tiger may be made out of paper... but according to the majority of Americans that cast a vote for Donald Trump... they expect a real Tiger... that must bring real consequences inside the house and around the neighbourhood.
I dissent... because I imagine a house and a Tiger... walking around and hungry... and the family that lives there walking around as well... trying to avoid a fatal encounter... but at the same time trying to carry on with their normal lives.
After a campaign full of lies the Tiger may be made out of paper... but according to the majority of Americans that cast a vote for Donald Trump... they expect a real Tiger... that must bring real consequences inside the house and around the neighbourhood.
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So much for election forecasts from the NYT!
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I didn't vote for Trump but this piece is utter trash. You at the NYT are sore losers and nothing more. Perhaps you should be somewhat gracious and wish him well since he will be your president too. Frankly your idiotic opinions should be put into check. Your ideas are just as dangerous if not more so than President-Elect Trump's.
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Expect James Comey as Secretary of the Interior...
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Chill out NYT and everyone else here.
It's going to be all right!!!
Have no fear, Trump is here!!!
It's going to be all right!!!
Have no fear, Trump is here!!!
This very paper helped this happen. The NYT made an exclusive deal with the author of the book Clinton Cash - a book which was "was funded by one of the organizations Steve Bannon runs inside the Breitbart media empire." This stupid paper and its editors and writers published an idiotic piece based on the book funded by Breitbart. They helped defeat Hillary!
People - demand more of this horribly stupid paper. They even started the whole Whitewater scandal back in the Nineties. Google it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
People - demand more of this horribly stupid paper. They even started the whole Whitewater scandal back in the Nineties. Google it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
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I have to say I love it, at least for now. The NY Times with egg on its face. The WAPO and Washington elite in convulsions. You really don't get it do you? You assume that everyone, or everyone that counts, thinks like you. That the only people who count are liberals in the liberal coastal enclaves. Not so..
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President-Elect RACISM!....is now back in charge of the Government of the United States. Brought back to power by the majority White citizens who grew tired of their experiment & faith in a non-white President who could not deliver the goods fast enough, & who refuse to halt the gradual demise of their representation in THEIR country. Though he tried, & succeeded in lifting the country from the brink of disaster after the mostly Republican leadership allowed wall street to run amuck with the publics main street money, his gratitude for these incredible efforts will not be rewarded with even more progressive achievements because the fear of the majority white citizenry of this great land can no longer bare to tolerate the idea of a white highly qualified woman-(though flawed) to assume the reigns of government to give even more RIGHTS
to the non-white groups that are continually changing the population fabric of this country. Donald Trump with all of his achievements & all of his flaws-(insulting comments, disrespectful attacks etc) is their supreme champion. He was able to express out loud & in public what they have been thinking, feeling & discussing privately amongst themselves for years. I would imagine for some, if not all, he is viewed as a gift from God & his elevation to the highest office in the land & most powerful position in the world is nothing short of divine intervention. On Nov. 8. 2016 the white majority of the USA reclaimed THEIR USA. God help us ALL!
to the non-white groups that are continually changing the population fabric of this country. Donald Trump with all of his achievements & all of his flaws-(insulting comments, disrespectful attacks etc) is their supreme champion. He was able to express out loud & in public what they have been thinking, feeling & discussing privately amongst themselves for years. I would imagine for some, if not all, he is viewed as a gift from God & his elevation to the highest office in the land & most powerful position in the world is nothing short of divine intervention. On Nov. 8. 2016 the white majority of the USA reclaimed THEIR USA. God help us ALL!
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Thanks for nothing, NYT. You and your columnists were part of the group that pushed the weakest Democratic candidate possible - Hillary Clinton - on us. Sanders would have blunted the economic policy issues and got people up off their butts. Thanks again, you own this one.
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Had you, NY Times, heeded American's desperate need for change you never would have endorsed Clinton.
She was a terrible choice, a smug choice, a choice that promised no hope to the many Americans who have been left behind. And so they didn't vote for her.
Want someone to blame for this disaster?
Find a mirror.
She was a terrible choice, a smug choice, a choice that promised no hope to the many Americans who have been left behind. And so they didn't vote for her.
Want someone to blame for this disaster?
Find a mirror.
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Don't expect this paper's news or editorial page writers to take any responsibility as it was telling us all where it was at, all the way up to yesterday.
Never mind it meddled in the election as disruptively as the FBI.
Never mind it meddled in the election as disruptively as the FBI.
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With the same party controlling both houses and the White House, I predict they'll screw up health care, illegally silence opposition through the IRS, bail on allies plunging the Middle East into the hands of tyrants and terrorists, and sew racial disharmony back home. Sorry, someone already did all of that.
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This man is an empty vessel, reflecting nothing but the rage he helped whip up. A Shakespearean tragedy is playing out before our very eyes. Apparently millions of people were just waiting for this charlatan to arrive on the scene, and now he has, legitimizing their ill-aimed fury. Sorry Hillary, I owe this vile man nothing. Nothing. I truly fear for our country.
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I blame the New York Times. First they published everything asinine thing he said just to sell papers--even before he was a serious candidate. Then, when Bernie Sanders stepped forward as a legitimate opponent, the NYT scoffed at him as unelectable, marginal, not a serious candidate, instead backing Clinton, who was widely disliked. Anyone but her, including Bernie, could have beat Trump. I predicted this in a comment on NYT 6 months ago. I guess this one will be my last--if NYT even prints it--since I'll be cancelling my subscription.
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Good swan song.
To the NYT Editorial Board: despite your best, coordinated efforts to mock, denigrate and derail Trump's candidacy, you failed. Epically. What is today's NYT Election Probability: Clinton 89%, Trump 11% like it was a few days ago? Like the major polling organizations, you are irrelevant, except perhaps to those living in Manhattan. You haven't practiced serious unbiased journalism in years. I still subscribe to and enjoy your Sunday paper because of its rich literary content and in depth articles. But as for your political reporting...its good for wrapping dead fish.
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You and your editorial staff and all your reporters should submit your resignations. You chose not see the truth and consistently reported that he will lose. You deceived us and you failed us as a news organization. Even last night at the Times Center Event your journalists could not say anything good Mr. Trump even though the American voter chose him over her. It is clearly arrogant and at the same time opinionated to the extent that you lost your objectivity. New York Times as an organization failed us miserably. You betrayed us.
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I am happy we have Trump
A turtle agrees to carry the poisonous snake across the river. For the favor of transport, the snake agrees not to bite the turtle. When the turtle and snake reach the other side of the river the venomous snake bites the turtle. As the turtle lays dying from the poisonous bite, the turtle asks the snake why the snake bit him when he promised not to do so. The snake responds: "because I am a snake."
Don the Con is a con man.
His word means nothing. He is an opportunist. He will turn on anyone and everyone if it suits his immediate, emotional needs.
Like all con men, he will start by ingratiating himself with his Republican "brothers" until they do not go along with his every demand. Then, things will rapidly disintegrate into fights, name calling, obstinance and bad feelings on all sides. In the end, Don the Con will get tired of the real business of governing and his Republican brethren will get tired of him. The only question is how long it will take, how much damage will he and the Republicans duo to the nation and world, and how will he exit the Presidency to go back to a life focused on using his newfound status to enrich himself.
Don the Con is a con man.
His word means nothing. He is an opportunist. He will turn on anyone and everyone if it suits his immediate, emotional needs.
Like all con men, he will start by ingratiating himself with his Republican "brothers" until they do not go along with his every demand. Then, things will rapidly disintegrate into fights, name calling, obstinance and bad feelings on all sides. In the end, Don the Con will get tired of the real business of governing and his Republican brethren will get tired of him. The only question is how long it will take, how much damage will he and the Republicans duo to the nation and world, and how will he exit the Presidency to go back to a life focused on using his newfound status to enrich himself.
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There are multiple reasons for Trump's election but in the end it's an American version of the "colored" revolutions that we have promoted around the world. This "red, white and blue" revolution has come back to us as anger with the current situation in this country. If politicians and pundits are surprised with this then it shows how either clueless or disinterested they have been. Will Trump accomplish what he promised -- probably not, but how else are people, who where otherwise ignored, to be heard.
Since we're not being pc anymore, I'm going to say what I've known to be true for at least several decades. The majority of Americans are profoundly stupid, deliberately ignorant, and overtly racist. That is the most parsimonious explanation for all of our woes, from global warming on down.
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The thought of this arrogant and ignorant bully and Rudy, Newt, Christie and Bannon in helping to run the most powerful nation on earth, is too much to bearI love the way Hillarys detractors are blaming the NYT for Trumps rise! I pity our society!
"Here is what we do know: We know Mr. Trump is the most unprepared president-elect in modern history." NYT, you were wrong about so much in this election that I can only that what you write here is also wrong.
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Wow, a lot of whining from the NYT liberals this morning.
Been a long time since I enjoyed reading the Times!
Sweet tears of defeat, love it!
Time to build that wall and repeal government run healthcare!
Been a long time since I enjoyed reading the Times!
Sweet tears of defeat, love it!
Time to build that wall and repeal government run healthcare!
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The writing was on the wall 9 months ago, for anyone willing to look. For example, me:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/electability-2/?comments#per...
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/electability-2/?comments#per...
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As a hardcopy subscriber I am appalled you have not issued a special edition. If this apocalyptic news does not deserve a special edition, what does?
Donald may be the best president ever. No one should criticize him.
Obama should have chosen Sanders
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And so like Rome, we fall.
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The sun will still rise tomorrow in spite of Trump.
As one of the many volunteers who worked with the Volunteer Democratic Party election committee the volunteers in my group were clearly divided between Sanders and Clinton supporters even as a Sanders supporters such as I was worked to promote our candidate Hillary Clinton. One thing I couldn't help but notice was that staunch Clinton supporters were most often likely wel educated and at least gave the appearance that they were financially secure. They drove the Volvos. The Sanders people were by in large younger, often commented on being saddled with student debt or seniors trying to keep a roof over their heads on Social Security and part time work. They drove the ten year old cars or took the bus.
Yes America is divided into two camps, the haves and the have nots. We elected a have and our choice was another have. The Republicans now control everything. Let's see if they can govern which they have not given much evidence of over the last eight years. In the mean time this old guy is going to fight to take the Democratic Party back to its roots and the elites be damned.
As one of the many volunteers who worked with the Volunteer Democratic Party election committee the volunteers in my group were clearly divided between Sanders and Clinton supporters even as a Sanders supporters such as I was worked to promote our candidate Hillary Clinton. One thing I couldn't help but notice was that staunch Clinton supporters were most often likely wel educated and at least gave the appearance that they were financially secure. They drove the Volvos. The Sanders people were by in large younger, often commented on being saddled with student debt or seniors trying to keep a roof over their heads on Social Security and part time work. They drove the ten year old cars or took the bus.
Yes America is divided into two camps, the haves and the have nots. We elected a have and our choice was another have. The Republicans now control everything. Let's see if they can govern which they have not given much evidence of over the last eight years. In the mean time this old guy is going to fight to take the Democratic Party back to its roots and the elites be damned.
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Winter in America
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In 1935 Sinclair Lewis wrote a book about the rise of Fascism in the United States. It is called,'It Can't Happen Here'. Unfortunately, it just did.
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The New York Times decades-long project of sliming the Clintons bore fruit last night. Wonder how many e-mail stories the paper bothers to run now.
I don't blame the New York Times. I blame the People of the United States.
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Ignorant buffoon elected by ignorant buffoons. Get ready for four years of hot air!
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My 13 year old daughter just woke up and asked me who won. When I told her Trump she stopped in her tracks and looked stunned. "After everything he's said?" , she asked.
I choked back the tears and said "yes".
Congratulations America, what a fine example you have set for our children.
I choked back the tears and said "yes".
Congratulations America, what a fine example you have set for our children.
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This newspaper and the majority of the people who post in the "Comments" section helped elect Trump. Most of you are clueless about Trump and a lot of Americans just rejected your "progressive/liberalism" that does not work. It is almost 12:00 p.m. on November 9 and Hillary still has not conceded. If the shoe were on the other foot, there would be non-stop complaints about Trump not conceding by now. Most of you are spoiled children who have lost touch with reality.
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There r inaccuracies in ur editorial, assumptions and "idees recues" which deserve scrutiny.Was LBJ prepared for the Presidency , yet he involved US in a land war in Asia, which Macarthur had warned against? Was Bush, who opened up the gates of hell in the ME by invading Iraq, who had no experience with ME cultures and languages, who was not a reader or a thoughtful man, prepared?Was HRC,equally ignorant of ME languages and cultures, like O moreover who never even learned "kitchen Arabic,"prepared to tackle regional problems when she became sec. of state?We elect provincials to elective office, seldom those with the experience and skills to make intelligent, educated decisions.If Houma Abedin were sec. of state, rather than her boss,the irremediable loss of life in Libya might have been avoided. At least she speaks the language of the Prophet.DT is not anti Muslim,but wants more careful vetting. What's wrong with that?Criticism of him that he attracts support from white nationalists is irrelevant. Recall that Jim Crow laws were enforced by Democratic Party after the War between the States until SP decision of 1954.Democratic party was the party of segregation for over 4 decades.Give DT benefit of doubt. He has "it," an ability to show empathy for the downtrodden. That is the point u have missed. HRC lacks that sympathy for the citizenry, and of course her remark about "deplorables" did not strengthen, but damaged her candidacy.
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Should have been Bernie Sanders against Trump. Now we have the Trump revolution!
I cannot recall any election in my lifetime where the outcome has been so horrifying - we are now officially a nation celebrating willful ignorance; seething, unthinking, inchoate rage; bigotry; xenophobia; profound misogyny and sexism; extremist Christianity; and utter refusal to confront hard scientific facts. We can kiss voting rights goodbye, we can kiss women's rights - from pay parity to healthcare privacy and primacy goodbye, we can kiss environmental protection and our planet goodbye, we can kiss civil rights, workers' rights and inclusion goodbye, we can say goodbye to the rights of the LGBT community, and we have lost the judiciary for the next 40+ years as well. We are now as stupid as the gullible fools who voted for Brexit - and we are a shocking embarrassment in the entire world. I am terrified, enraged, and ashamed of what has become of this nation, where denial and willful ignorance have supplanted intelligence and rational analysis of difficult issues and choices. The most sickening element of this election is that the angry men have place in power the party singularly responsible for leaving them in the dust - this is now "What's the Matter With Kansas" writ the entire nation. Heaven help us, and the rest of the world. 11/9/16 11:50 AM.
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●Will I have insurance despite a pre-existing condition?
●Will insurance and healthcare be affordable?
●What will happen to the planet (re Climate Change)
●What will happen to our economy, especially taxes and minimum wage
●Will Trump be impeached and "fired"?
-- I want answers so I know how to react to this apparent disaster.