It is really frightening to think that these people have now been legitimized by a knwo-nothing braggart, They have gotten the attention they have sought for so long which will only embolden them. "The Donald" has a lot to answer for; the American people deserve better.
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RIP GOP. You've exposed the latent racism, bigotry, misogyny and religious nonsense that has long skulked in the shadows of your party. Now it's mainstream. Own it. And prepare to lose every presidential election from now on...
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Obama's legacy: BLM, Trump and the AltRight. Cultural Marxism pushed too far too fast. If diversity promoters had shown a bit more restraint, white counter-movement would not have risen. But now it has. From now on: all politics is identity politics. May the best tribe win.
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"Restraint" being to not elect a brilliant constitutional scholar president because he is black?
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Legitimizing these hate groups is the worst offense that Trump has committed. He has a lot to answer for.
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The Communist party in America supports Ms. Clinton. How does that fit into your narrative?
Home run, Micheal.
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Ah, the wishful thinking of white supremacists. They daydream about being relevant. If it weren't for their hateful ideology, this would almost be quaint.
I think they mistake Trump, though. His use of white identity politics is completely opportunistic. He's not a dyed in the wool white nationalist. All he cares about is himself. He's obviously not interested enough in the world to build a movement.
As to whether there might be a more mainstream movement without the man... No. I bet a lot of Trump voters are probably willing to flirt with overt white supremacy now because that's the vibe (again, opportunistic), but they'll be less interested after the electoral dust settles. This isn't to say they'll stop being racist. It'll just be the disorganized, personal sort that is so prevalent in America. I doubt many of these voters will want to keep the campaign feeling alive by continuing to hang out with the armed, angry white fringe scenesters they met at the Trump rallies. They'll want to get back to living normal, vaguely racist lives, which is easier than the intense paranoia and constant hysteria of campaign season.
And this takes no account of the many Trump voters who just can't bring themselves to leave the Republican Party or who simply hate Clinton. Those people might not be white supremacists... Just bloody minded and partisan.
No, after the election, the alt-right will slink back to the shadows and American will continue to grow more diverse over time.
I think they mistake Trump, though. His use of white identity politics is completely opportunistic. He's not a dyed in the wool white nationalist. All he cares about is himself. He's obviously not interested enough in the world to build a movement.
As to whether there might be a more mainstream movement without the man... No. I bet a lot of Trump voters are probably willing to flirt with overt white supremacy now because that's the vibe (again, opportunistic), but they'll be less interested after the electoral dust settles. This isn't to say they'll stop being racist. It'll just be the disorganized, personal sort that is so prevalent in America. I doubt many of these voters will want to keep the campaign feeling alive by continuing to hang out with the armed, angry white fringe scenesters they met at the Trump rallies. They'll want to get back to living normal, vaguely racist lives, which is easier than the intense paranoia and constant hysteria of campaign season.
And this takes no account of the many Trump voters who just can't bring themselves to leave the Republican Party or who simply hate Clinton. Those people might not be white supremacists... Just bloody minded and partisan.
No, after the election, the alt-right will slink back to the shadows and American will continue to grow more diverse over time.
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As a white male boomer I am disgusted by the failures who support Trump. There is no reason other than laziness for Americans to be struggling for work. Signs have been there for 40 years that labor is not a long term career. If your work is not mental then you failed. We don't need laborers we need thinkers.
I want them to stop expecting government to bail them out. Stop spending money on guns and body armor and pickup truck suspension. Spend that money on community college classes.
I want them to stop expecting government to bail them out. Stop spending money on guns and body armor and pickup truck suspension. Spend that money on community college classes.
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Much the same comment about Americans struggling to find work could be said about Detroit, Chicago and really any other largely African-American city or town but that would be considered racist. Are you a racist?
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...because there have been millions of "think" jobs lying vacant, just waiting to be filled. Maybe they got filled by these white supremacists? So tens of millions of Americans in mostly rural areas should have foreseen the information revolution, and instead spent the last generation souping up their trucks and stockpiling their arsenals. What are you going to do with them now? It's still a democracy. Recycled Reaganesque tropes don't sound any better when applied to white people, and aren't likely to win converts back to political normalcy. We're talking half the country here, so saying good riddance isn't going to cut it.
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Uh-huh.
Come back and re-write this story six months after their guy has lost. After Trump struggles to cobble together 160-180 electoral votes tomorrow, nobody in the Republican Party is going to pick up the mantle of white-prevalence, male-dominant, English-only extremism and say "Hey, this really adds to our Party; let's go fire up more of this."
They'll have no more relevance or legitimacy in the political system next week or next month than they registered following David Duke's losses (where they pretty much said the same thing then that they're saying in this story now).
Come back and re-write this story six months after their guy has lost. After Trump struggles to cobble together 160-180 electoral votes tomorrow, nobody in the Republican Party is going to pick up the mantle of white-prevalence, male-dominant, English-only extremism and say "Hey, this really adds to our Party; let's go fire up more of this."
They'll have no more relevance or legitimacy in the political system next week or next month than they registered following David Duke's losses (where they pretty much said the same thing then that they're saying in this story now).
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Not long ago Fox News declared racism was over... this is how profoundly, the biggest source of news, is radicalizing and dumbing down the country. Not just racism is inching so close to take control but so many other 'isms'.
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When are we going to hear that this is the Party of Trump with a set of values that is contrary to both Democrats and Republicans. We have only until tomorrow to decide whether or not we want to continue our experiment in Democracy or relinquish all power to an authoritarian government.
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What this election has revealed is that we are not dealing with Republicans versus Democrats, but a movement of Extremist Trump supporters who have managed to bring the politics of hate into the mainstream. There is a big difference between main stream Republicanism and Trumpism. Trump took advantage of the actions of main stream Republicans whose strategy has been to take advantage of conservative and racist attitudes to discredit the Presidency, block legislative action, cripple government departments, co-op the Supreme Court, and slander Hillary. They did this so they could regain power and turn over government functions to the private sector for profit. What they actually did is open the door for Trumpites and all manner of extremists to come out of the woodwork and hijack the Republican Party, thus making extremism appear normal, mainstream and acceptable. What the Democrats only recently learned is how dangerous this is for our entire system of government. Even Sanders understands this and is doing his best to persuade left wingers that this is not politics as normal, but an alt-right coup that may alter the course of history. We all have something to learn from this and it is the importance of seeking the truth, rejecting lies, and looking at the long-term ramification of those we elect to represent us.
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Ironic that a nativist/white supremacist group names itself after Virginia Dare, the first English child born in a British colony of North America. An ancient Greek might call the name "ill-omened."
Just three years after the Virginia Colony was founded, a supply ship discovered that it had been abandoned. None of its inhabitants were ever seen again, and what happened remains a riddle to this day. The real Virginia Dare almost certainly died in her cradle.
If she did not die as a baby or toddler, it could only be because she was adopted and raised by a Native American tribe. Perhaps she lived to adulthood among them and had children of her own. Indeed, we might someday learn that there are living descendants of Dare. But they won't be white Europeans.
May the Vdare belief syatem meet the same fate as its namesake -- death in total obscurity or life from assimilation and acceptance.
Just three years after the Virginia Colony was founded, a supply ship discovered that it had been abandoned. None of its inhabitants were ever seen again, and what happened remains a riddle to this day. The real Virginia Dare almost certainly died in her cradle.
If she did not die as a baby or toddler, it could only be because she was adopted and raised by a Native American tribe. Perhaps she lived to adulthood among them and had children of her own. Indeed, we might someday learn that there are living descendants of Dare. But they won't be white Europeans.
May the Vdare belief syatem meet the same fate as its namesake -- death in total obscurity or life from assimilation and acceptance.
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It's just too bad the heretofore disenfranchised have been incited with messages of destruction, disregard, and hate instead of peaceful political activism. The bullies don't really know too much about how that works, apparently, and whether it's subtle or blatant, utilizing a slingshot or a bomb, the Republicans with a slanted court or an entitled segment of the FBI, will ruin any kind of dialog we all might otherwise be destined to have.
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When will the Republicans admit that Trump is not one of them? Win or lose, he has changed politics in America and I blame it on the Republican Party to have allowed him to hijack the GOP. The only thing left to do is establish a new party with conservative values and highlight Trump as and extremist and unAmerican.
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Trump did not hijack the Republican Party. The Republican Party lurched to the hard right in 1964 and has been devolving since. Trump is simply the logical next step...
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I am compelled to say something I have never said in my 70+ years about another human being. I hate Mr. Trump. I hate the fear and ugliness he has brought to the fore of this election. I hate what he has encouraged to become mainstream and acceptable to millions of people. I hate his selfishness. I hate his self-serving Machiavellian attitude toward the fragility of democracy. I hate his ignorance, his lies, his divisiveness. I should, but I cannot, offer any apologies and I have no guilty conscience for saying so. I hate Mr. Trump. Please, America, reject him, continue to reject what he is now the poster boy for.
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As a person who was registered Republican (since 1977), and who changed his voter registered to Democrat the week after Trump won the NYS primary, I would say that although, possibly, "Mr. Trump’s campaign has turned them into a force that the Republican establishment cannot ignore", only time will tell whether Trump's campaign will turn the Republican PARTY into a force that CAN be ignored. There appears to be no place in the Republican Party for social moderates.
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All these groups are just a "den of hate-filled snakes" birthing tomorrow's "Domestic Terrorists". I wonder if the FBI, now that it's been compromised by right-wingers, will even take note of these dangerous traitors?
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'“Trump has shown that our message is healthy, normal and organic — and millions of Americans agree with us,” said Matthew M. Heimbach, a co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network, a white nationalist group that claims to support the interests of working-class whites. It also advocates the separation of the races.'
I'll say one thing... Harris County (Houston), Texas. Demographics. Changing rapidly. America in the upcoming years.
Mr. Helmbach and his TYN had soon better be finding some place more amenable to nest, because the Millennials and their kids are going to look a lot different and there's nothing he can do to stop it. It will be the result of who is already here, for the most part, not immigrants sweeping into the land at a "650 million" clip like the Donald said the other night.
America is changing. These alt-right groups are going to have a limited shelf-life. They'll make noise for awhile, but with the Millennials coming of age, and we white boomers getting older and leaving the scene as we age, the white nationalist groups are going to have trouble finding enough recruits to fill their ranks as a younger demographic used to blended living and working comes to the fore.
Mr. Gilchrist is 10 years older now, isn't he?
I'll say one thing... Harris County (Houston), Texas. Demographics. Changing rapidly. America in the upcoming years.
Mr. Helmbach and his TYN had soon better be finding some place more amenable to nest, because the Millennials and their kids are going to look a lot different and there's nothing he can do to stop it. It will be the result of who is already here, for the most part, not immigrants sweeping into the land at a "650 million" clip like the Donald said the other night.
America is changing. These alt-right groups are going to have a limited shelf-life. They'll make noise for awhile, but with the Millennials coming of age, and we white boomers getting older and leaving the scene as we age, the white nationalist groups are going to have trouble finding enough recruits to fill their ranks as a younger demographic used to blended living and working comes to the fore.
Mr. Gilchrist is 10 years older now, isn't he?
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I have been long standing loyal Democrat. Let me say this: I will not be voting in this election. Look at the comments from so called moderate or middle Democrats: They sound violent, elitist, and many act like thugs towards those who disagree with them. They even have the media goons doing their bidding in the most sophisticated way.
When NYT endorsed Hillary in the Primaries, and did not bother to give her opponents fair representation you guys at NYT lost my respect and trust...though from the beginning I was a Hillary backer. Thanks for all your bias and partisanship now I am no longer a Hillary fan or her backer. When did our media become a bunch of wussies and cronies? Why do I have to learn some basic truths about our leaders or about American governance from WikiLeaks? Should our media not be informing me on these basic issues?
As someone with a PhD, and as one worked for major engineering companies, I do not believe in fawning over our leaders, nor in berating them mercilessly. When I watch the Republicans and the Democrats it is as we have become a bunch of Anglo and Colored pickaninnies waving flags with colonized glee at their respective Monarchs. NYT even carried an article on why Monarchy might be good for the US democracy. Are you kidding me?
I cannot recognize my people through your media. I must recommend this: Find a new term for "pickaninnies" that would fit all Americans and their current colonized idiocy...as we crown Queen Hillary!
Toodle doo
When NYT endorsed Hillary in the Primaries, and did not bother to give her opponents fair representation you guys at NYT lost my respect and trust...though from the beginning I was a Hillary backer. Thanks for all your bias and partisanship now I am no longer a Hillary fan or her backer. When did our media become a bunch of wussies and cronies? Why do I have to learn some basic truths about our leaders or about American governance from WikiLeaks? Should our media not be informing me on these basic issues?
As someone with a PhD, and as one worked for major engineering companies, I do not believe in fawning over our leaders, nor in berating them mercilessly. When I watch the Republicans and the Democrats it is as we have become a bunch of Anglo and Colored pickaninnies waving flags with colonized glee at their respective Monarchs. NYT even carried an article on why Monarchy might be good for the US democracy. Are you kidding me?
I cannot recognize my people through your media. I must recommend this: Find a new term for "pickaninnies" that would fit all Americans and their current colonized idiocy...as we crown Queen Hillary!
Toodle doo
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You're wrong to call it biased, there is a difference between bias and looking at the election from an academic viewpoint opposed to emotional one, which how most people look at it. The job of a journalist is to review all the facts and present those facts without biased. From all the political coverage have sought, i have found the NYT to be one of the most legitimate forms of media in America. Their articles are informative and based on fact, when they do make a mistake they are quick to make an amendment to the article.
The NYT has reputable journalists working for it, and their endorsement of Hillary is in line with most other international academics and scholars and many of the general population of the world.
You think they're biased but in truth they are just educated and are learned in world politics to see how damaging a Trump Presidency will be to the country.
Also it is not up to any media publication to make either candidate look good. it's certainly not the NYT fault that Donald Trump has represented himself so appallingly and repulsively. His negative press is completely of his own doing, he has no one to blame but himself for how negatively he is viewed.
He can't even be trusted to use his twitter account, it's like this grown man is a sullen teenager grounded for posting naughty things on social media. That in itself is an embarrassment of epic proportions!
The NYT has reputable journalists working for it, and their endorsement of Hillary is in line with most other international academics and scholars and many of the general population of the world.
You think they're biased but in truth they are just educated and are learned in world politics to see how damaging a Trump Presidency will be to the country.
Also it is not up to any media publication to make either candidate look good. it's certainly not the NYT fault that Donald Trump has represented himself so appallingly and repulsively. His negative press is completely of his own doing, he has no one to blame but himself for how negatively he is viewed.
He can't even be trusted to use his twitter account, it's like this grown man is a sullen teenager grounded for posting naughty things on social media. That in itself is an embarrassment of epic proportions!
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Mark, do I understand you correctly -- you claim to be a loyal Hillary Democrat sitting out this election because you're mad at the NYT's political coverage?
That makes no sense at all. If you're angry at the NYT, wouldn't it be more logical to cancel your subscription? Voting is a purely numeric process for choosing leaders. It sends no message to the NYT.
Besides, a real Democrat would at least care about the down-ballot races. My best guess is that you're actually a troll attempting to reduce Democratic turnout. And a lousy troll at that, with your bigoted buzzwords and nutty argument.
That makes no sense at all. If you're angry at the NYT, wouldn't it be more logical to cancel your subscription? Voting is a purely numeric process for choosing leaders. It sends no message to the NYT.
Besides, a real Democrat would at least care about the down-ballot races. My best guess is that you're actually a troll attempting to reduce Democratic turnout. And a lousy troll at that, with your bigoted buzzwords and nutty argument.
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I live in Reno where the Trump rally on Saturday was interrupted when an peaceful protester with a "Republicans against Trump" sign was accused of having a gun and attacked by Trump supporters surrounding him. A story on page 1 of today's Reno Gazette Journal chronicles how the protester's life has been been completely changed by the event. The registered Republican and Eagle Scout has been attacked on television, social media, and alt-right websites by Trump staffers and supporters. Trump's son re-tweeted someone who called the incident an assassination attempt. There have been theories that he and his brother committed voter fraud. His personal information, as well as that of his parents, has been posted online. His brother and sister-in-law, who have a 1-year-old daughter, have been threatened. I could go on. This is a horrible situation--yet, I hear nothing from Trump or his handlers setting the record straight and urging Trump supporters to leave this young man alone. Why not?
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You are not hearing it because there is no such thing as setting the record straight with Trump. You have described a microcosm of what it will be like under a Trump Presidency. Any protest, no matter how small will be dealt with by force. All authoritarian governments act the same way, why should Trump's party be any different?
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People many are tired of the establishment... and that is what Trump was all about and then he blew it with his rhetoric. But the best part was that he demonstrated how totally corrupt the IRS which apparently has allowed him to get away with swindling on taxes and how lax and "corrupt" -- for lack of the correct word, politicians who lie down for his various real estate projects. There is a huge mount of swindling going on, often perfectly legal. So far as his treatment of women ( many presidents have been cads in this matter) and treatment of immigrants...many are opposed to disruption and lack of birth control that leads to migration and wnhy to the most expensive to live in cities in the USA. There is some turht in what Trump says.
Labeling -- no matter who does it is deplorable... if not despicable...
Racism --please define.... my Czech grandmother did not want her granddaughter to marry a black and she probably would not have liked a Pole or a Jew either. Do rich people marry poor ones? People can be tribal...
My how we love to pontificate... on oh such complicated topics... and throw around words. There are many ways to exclude people. A very effective one is money -- and only the little people pay taxes.. as Gov. Christie demonstrated raising the gas tax. Regressive tax.... and no tax on that 140 million $$ Picasso some connoisseur purchases at auction... FAIR?! not racist perhaps but discriminatory and hurts the poor technicolored people.
Labeling -- no matter who does it is deplorable... if not despicable...
Racism --please define.... my Czech grandmother did not want her granddaughter to marry a black and she probably would not have liked a Pole or a Jew either. Do rich people marry poor ones? People can be tribal...
My how we love to pontificate... on oh such complicated topics... and throw around words. There are many ways to exclude people. A very effective one is money -- and only the little people pay taxes.. as Gov. Christie demonstrated raising the gas tax. Regressive tax.... and no tax on that 140 million $$ Picasso some connoisseur purchases at auction... FAIR?! not racist perhaps but discriminatory and hurts the poor technicolored people.
It is difficult for me to relate to extremist supporters, and it’s unclear to me how any outcome in a national election will directly, immediately affect the lives of the disaffected. Many extremist supporters have no college education or special training in areas our economy is trending towards. Are these extremist supporters able or willing to get the training that they need to remove themselves from their economically deprived situation?
Americans are fed up with both parties in large part due to the perception that nothing is getting done in Washington. Current Republican leadership, and in many cases recent Democratic leadership, have not put their differences aside to work with the other side of the aisle for the good of our country. Creating sound legislation in our changing environment is very difficult and requires working with the other side to make things happen.
Whoever wins tomorrow must do all they can as leader of our country to heal our country's wounds and division and to help provide more opportunities for the extremist supporters of Trump to find their way out of the bind they are in. As polls indicate, Hillary is leading this race. Assuming Hillary wins tomorrow, let us hope that she will work tirelessly to identify areas of agreement with the other party to help bring our country together. She has shown she can work well with Republicans, and she must do all she can as leader of our country to heal our country's wounds and division.
Americans are fed up with both parties in large part due to the perception that nothing is getting done in Washington. Current Republican leadership, and in many cases recent Democratic leadership, have not put their differences aside to work with the other side of the aisle for the good of our country. Creating sound legislation in our changing environment is very difficult and requires working with the other side to make things happen.
Whoever wins tomorrow must do all they can as leader of our country to heal our country's wounds and division and to help provide more opportunities for the extremist supporters of Trump to find their way out of the bind they are in. As polls indicate, Hillary is leading this race. Assuming Hillary wins tomorrow, let us hope that she will work tirelessly to identify areas of agreement with the other party to help bring our country together. She has shown she can work well with Republicans, and she must do all she can as leader of our country to heal our country's wounds and division.
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I am tired of people who do not have eyes to see that the Republicans from the outset of Obama's first term deliberately set out to frustrate everything he proposed. Don't you remember the mantra of Senator McConnell who said
that his number 1 job was to see that Obama would only have one term. Nevertheless Obama reached out to them a number of times but they negotiated like the Russians by imposing irrelevant conditions that doomed his efforts. Your post is a prime example of false equivalency.
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that his number 1 job was to see that Obama would only have one term. Nevertheless Obama reached out to them a number of times but they negotiated like the Russians by imposing irrelevant conditions that doomed his efforts. Your post is a prime example of false equivalency.
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Granted, Trump has unleashed the far right, white nationalists and as an immigrant, I welcome this. Now we can verify what we always suspected about many of our so called friends and colleagues. Contrary to the conclusions hinted by this article, these groups, however vocal they may be, will forever be relegated to the minority - and to the irony of it, the oppressed minority. Oppressed because, the majority of whites ("working class") who support Trump will be relegated to the dustbin of the unemployed simply because they refuse to see a changed world.
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I saw comments the other day on another website calling people to take up arms if Hillary wins. These people are as far from patriotic as they can get. These people are not angry they are delusional and dangerous. Why are so many people willing to destroy the very foundation of their democracy?
I never seen a country so willing to use their freedom so destructively. It feels like a portion of Americans take everything they have for granted.
People need to be asking themselves do you really deserve the title of leader of the free world at this point? Especially when you are attacking and destroying your own democracy and delegitimizing your own constitution. Sadly America at this point is not a country that inspires confidence in others, and listening to Donald Trump say you're the laughing stock of the world was irony at its absolute purest, considering he, alone, is the cause of the country being a laughing stock! The fact he has as much support as he does honestly defies logic and beggars belief.
I never seen a country so willing to use their freedom so destructively. It feels like a portion of Americans take everything they have for granted.
People need to be asking themselves do you really deserve the title of leader of the free world at this point? Especially when you are attacking and destroying your own democracy and delegitimizing your own constitution. Sadly America at this point is not a country that inspires confidence in others, and listening to Donald Trump say you're the laughing stock of the world was irony at its absolute purest, considering he, alone, is the cause of the country being a laughing stock! The fact he has as much support as he does honestly defies logic and beggars belief.
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If you don't know the enemy, how can you fight them. No matter what the outcome, this is not over.
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If they are so foolish to take up arms they will be crushed just as George Washington crushed the the Whiskey Revolution in the 1790's. He hung the leaders.
The extremists are the ultimate losers either way regardless of whatthey think. They have woken up women, blacks, hispanics . . . anyone who didn't feel at home at the former table of white male privilege. My daughter can no longer tell me that electing a woman doesn't matter and my hispanic friends now know why I didn't understand their embrace of the republican party. I think they understand now. I think they see the "past" when America was sexist, racist, homophobic etcetera and they must see that this ugliness is still with us just waiting to snatch away our freedom our values of inclusivity and tolerance and acceptance and love for each other!
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These "extreme" groups are highlighted here for propaganda purposes and do not represent common views among Trump supporters - most of whom dislike their candidate nearly as much as Hillary supporters dislike her.
Underneath these mongered fears, many readers here are simply terrified by the prospect of Trump winning - as were the aristocrats before the storming of the Bastille. In the words of Bob Dylan, "when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to loose".
Few NYT readers are getting payday loans and buying their groceries at the Dollar General. The viewpoints of less privileged folks are largely unknown to the readers here, who feel entitled to make decisions on their behalf because they are uneducated and often ugly, physically and behaviorally. I find this ugly - morally.
Underneath these mongered fears, many readers here are simply terrified by the prospect of Trump winning - as were the aristocrats before the storming of the Bastille. In the words of Bob Dylan, "when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to loose".
Few NYT readers are getting payday loans and buying their groceries at the Dollar General. The viewpoints of less privileged folks are largely unknown to the readers here, who feel entitled to make decisions on their behalf because they are uneducated and often ugly, physically and behaviorally. I find this ugly - morally.
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Unfortunate analogy. Are you sharpening the guillotines?
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Excepting that the average trump supporter is in the 80-90k a year income demographic.
Not poor as you might think.
Just fearful of the "other" and worried about loss off privilege. Watch the doc "Hypernormalization" it does spell out a lot of confusing trends in our lives. Worth the time spent.
Not poor as you might think.
Just fearful of the "other" and worried about loss off privilege. Watch the doc "Hypernormalization" it does spell out a lot of confusing trends in our lives. Worth the time spent.
Have any numbers to back up your claim that most Trump supporters don't share the bigotry? And why do you assume NYT readers are weslthy snobs? How do you know we don't shop at the dollar store and read the NYT on public library computer stations?
And, yeah, what Trump says and way he stirs up resentment and bigotry among so many of my fellow citizens scares the heck out of me. Anger and hate do not distinguish the guilty from the innocent; nor does the guillotine. But what do I know of such things? Only what my father told me -- he grew up in Berlin, and 1932 elections scared him and his parents into leaving. Otherwise they'd have ended up as names in a museum of death.
So I'd like to see our country work well for all citizens, regardless of privilege or education, but I have no sympathy whatsoever with the impulse to take out one's resentments on the easist available scapegoat.
And, yeah, what Trump says and way he stirs up resentment and bigotry among so many of my fellow citizens scares the heck out of me. Anger and hate do not distinguish the guilty from the innocent; nor does the guillotine. But what do I know of such things? Only what my father told me -- he grew up in Berlin, and 1932 elections scared him and his parents into leaving. Otherwise they'd have ended up as names in a museum of death.
So I'd like to see our country work well for all citizens, regardless of privilege or education, but I have no sympathy whatsoever with the impulse to take out one's resentments on the easist available scapegoat.
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You must be talking about the uneducated white voters who generally make up the ranks of the wing nut NRA extremist fringe, hard core Christian conservatives and the Tea Party led by fossils like Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan. What amazes me is the number of older educated white voters who still will vote for The Donald under the guise that Hillary is sick or unbalanced. The Republicans had better wake up because in 2020 there will probably be another billionaire buffoon like Trump willing to make a run for the presidency.
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Enraged about the future of America? Furious that fast capitalism and globalization result in massive job dislocation? No longer sure of the promised better life for you and yours? Angry about Obama's failure to prosecute another war?
Try Suicide by Trump.
Try Suicide by Trump.
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You have seen those Trump rally lines, haven't you.
Unfortunately, the authors of the article are correct. Extremist groups have now managed to corral the support of mainstream politicians, the opportunistic demagogue wannabes hoping to emulate Donald. Case in point is Rudy Giuliani, who seems to be channeling Kurt von Schleicher of the late, great Weimar Republic.
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Giulani radiates hatred and needs to be investigated for his role in spreading false information that Hillary Clinton would be indicted in the recent email flap. Supposedly the information came from disaffected FBI agents. He slipped up when he said at least two days before the reopening of the investigation that "something big" was coming. When questioned by a reporter after the Comey said that that there was nothing to change his original decision, he said the "big thing" was an advertising program. I'd like to see what he would say under oath.
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What this election has revealed is that we are not dealing with Republicans versus Democrats. The two parties are both dealing with a movement of Extremist supporters of Trump who has managed to make all things we have suppressed - mainstream. ; there is a big difference between main stream This came about because of the actions of main stream Republicans playing a political game by taking advantage of a conservative and racist attitudes to discredit the Presidency, block all legislative progress, cripple government departments and slander Hillary. They did this so could regain power and justify the turn over of government functions to the private sector, those who paid to get them elected. What they actually did is open the door for Trumpites and all manner of extremists to come out of the woodwork and hijack the Republican Party. With Trump (who is not really a Republican, or even a conservative) they have succeeded in making all things we have managed to suppress - mainstream and acceptable. What the Clintonites only recently learned is how dangerous this is for our entire system of government. Even Sanders understands this and is doing his best to persuade left wingers that this is not politics as normal, but an alt-right coup that may alter the course of history. We all have something to learn from this and it is the importance of seeking the truth and looking at the long-term ramification of those we elect to represent us.
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They will be disappointed. Clinton will reward those who brought her to the White House - with open borders immigration, pro corporate trade deals with an emphasis on outsourcing, and supreme Court picks that will scare them to death.
Tom, you need to trade in that crystal ball of yours. It's seems to have gotten cracked -- maybe you dropped it while you were leaping to conclusions?
Trump Gave A Lion Roaring Bullhorn Voice to Extremists
Why would anyone be surprised this now? For six years. Donald Trump has been sounding the lion roar bullhorn alarm for the hate groups. It started with Trump himself who successfully pursued the birther thing. Then throughout his presidential bid, he went after Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, immigrants, and women. Win or lose, tell me which hate group will not be very excited about the hateful voice that Trump gave them by cleverly using the media. Wow, what a shock huh? His slogan 'Make America Great Again" simply refers to Make America White Again.
Why would anyone be surprised this now? For six years. Donald Trump has been sounding the lion roar bullhorn alarm for the hate groups. It started with Trump himself who successfully pursued the birther thing. Then throughout his presidential bid, he went after Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, immigrants, and women. Win or lose, tell me which hate group will not be very excited about the hateful voice that Trump gave them by cleverly using the media. Wow, what a shock huh? His slogan 'Make America Great Again" simply refers to Make America White Again.
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This article seems to be an intentional attempt to frighten those who fear resurgent brown shirts and another Kristallnacht. A neo-Nazi uprising is a fear centered in Manhattan and specifically The New York Times. America has demonstrated its inherent ability to moderate, and annihilate if necessary, extremists on both the left and right.
The fact is that a great percentage of Americans are hurting, being denied upward mobility while those already at the top of the economic ladder compound their wealth. Hopes that made America the greatest democracy in history were dashed.
We must focus on those left behind and provide them the means to rejoin a broad based American economy, rather than ridicule them as subhuman.
The fact is that a great percentage of Americans are hurting, being denied upward mobility while those already at the top of the economic ladder compound their wealth. Hopes that made America the greatest democracy in history were dashed.
We must focus on those left behind and provide them the means to rejoin a broad based American economy, rather than ridicule them as subhuman.
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We should try to help those left behind -- but when they spout nutty fact-free conspiracies and claim that non-whites and non-Christians are subhuman, we should indeed call them out on it. Responding to fear and disappointment with irrational, destructive non-solutions and hatred of fellow citizens -- that's not the American dream.
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The idea that the only people who see Trump as a Hitler clone are in NYC and (I assume) Jewish is something Trump would come up with. I am Texas born, raised Southern girl who has seen plenty of racism and mysogeny and anti-Semitism in Texas. I do view Trump and his alt-right supporters as the nasty underbelly of America...the racism that has never been eradicated and only glossed over for the most part in the South and obviously other areas of America based on Trump's success. These people live and love to hate.
I don't think these creatures of the night will willingly return to the darkness...
They will need a stake through the heart and maybe a silver bullet to top it off.
And the MSM has done NOTHING to show this vile group of people in all their nastiness like they should have. What brought more Americans in touch with the Civil Rights movement were the news reports showing white police officers using dogs on peaceful protestors or bludgeoning them w/ night sticks, seeing young people and old being blasted by fire hoses, seeing the hatred in the voices and faces of those intimidating students in Little Rock.
Showing the virulent hatred of Trump protestors every night in the news was more important than stories about HRC's emails...
I don't think these creatures of the night will willingly return to the darkness...
They will need a stake through the heart and maybe a silver bullet to top it off.
And the MSM has done NOTHING to show this vile group of people in all their nastiness like they should have. What brought more Americans in touch with the Civil Rights movement were the news reports showing white police officers using dogs on peaceful protestors or bludgeoning them w/ night sticks, seeing young people and old being blasted by fire hoses, seeing the hatred in the voices and faces of those intimidating students in Little Rock.
Showing the virulent hatred of Trump protestors every night in the news was more important than stories about HRC's emails...
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
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Ben Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”
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As despicable (and yes deplorable) as those fringe groups are, this only helps Democrats and those in the middle - the crazier Republicans become, the faster the moderate Republicans will be welcomed by the progressive middle ground. So if the alt-right, crazy wing of the Republicans wants to go there, the faster they will seal the Republicans' fate - red states are going purple inevitably anyway because of demographics, and once the House and state races move in that direction as well and the gerrymandered Red states evolve toward gerrymandered Blue states, the Republican party will be nothing more than a shell. To survive, Republicans need to be more inclusive, not less so. They started down the wrong path with the Falwell "Moral Majority" in the 70s and their version of hatred - they haven't evolved much since. As long as religion and intolerance are cornerstones of Republican ideology, the party is a dead man walking. . . .
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What is really scary is how close Mr. Trump came to becoming the 45th POTUS of the US in spite of being the least qualified candidate in modern history.
Had Mr. Trump followed the advice of those knowledgeable of political science and put into place a competent campaign organization and infrastructure, we could see an absolute incompetent inaugurated on January 20, 2017 in this era of two despised major party nominees.
Had Mr. Trump followed the advice of those knowledgeable of political science and put into place a competent campaign organization and infrastructure, we could see an absolute incompetent inaugurated on January 20, 2017 in this era of two despised major party nominees.
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Mr. Trump came to becoming the 45th POTUS of the US in spite of being the least qualified candidate in modern history.
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You neglected Pres. Obama who had no experience in much of anything when he became President. Mr. Trump has far more experience than he ever had. And it showed.
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You neglected Pres. Obama who had no experience in much of anything when he became President. Mr. Trump has far more experience than he ever had. And it showed.
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Sorry -wrong. Obama was a Professor of Constitutional Law. Trump established Trump University, a fraudulent money making scheme that preyed on defenseless people hoping to get rich quick. There is a big difference in both background and knowledge.
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@Yonkers:
You are comparing Obama, a current twice-elected POTUS with a 52% approval rating in his last few months, who has cleaned up much of your party's colossal and irresponsible messes, and who is a constitutional scholar, with Don: born with a silver spoon, who has a so-so education from the laughable, non-thinking person's path of business school, and who squandered his father's money to the tune of six bankruptcies and NO bank in the US that will lend to him, who professes to know more about ISIS than do US generals, and who has publicly expressed admiration for Kim Jong Un.
Did Michigan's Governor Snyder get a hold of the water up there, too?
You are comparing Obama, a current twice-elected POTUS with a 52% approval rating in his last few months, who has cleaned up much of your party's colossal and irresponsible messes, and who is a constitutional scholar, with Don: born with a silver spoon, who has a so-so education from the laughable, non-thinking person's path of business school, and who squandered his father's money to the tune of six bankruptcies and NO bank in the US that will lend to him, who professes to know more about ISIS than do US generals, and who has publicly expressed admiration for Kim Jong Un.
Did Michigan's Governor Snyder get a hold of the water up there, too?
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Sit out this election or waste your vote on a so called third party at this nation's peril.
This must all be crushed at the voting booth.
This must all be crushed at the voting booth.
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It's a shame that most of these Alt-Right people don't realize that Trump is a business man that will say anything to get us to buy-in without caring about what would happen after the sale is made.
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Better to have the creepy-crawly, insect-like alt-right, white nationalists, neo-Nazis and fascists out from under their slimy, dank memes and exposed to bright sunlight where they can be inventoried and carefully monitored. The light of day has an antiseptic quality that will do them all in.
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Extremism cannot survive in a democracy, especially one which is more progressive than not. Our country has no place for those who wish to foment vigilante groups.
We are all sons and daughters of both legal and illegal immigrants. It is our duty to continue the tradition which is deeply rooted in our genes as Americans... to accept all people who wish to enter our country with open arms. No one can say there will only be immigrants who are not already criminals in their home country. We can discover the criminals before they are allowed outside of the immigration offices, or even before. There is no need to be paranoid about terrorists coming into the US. That can be controlled in a sensible and humane manner. We have our own domestic terrorism which few people wish to acknowledge.
Our country has been great for quite awhile. It doesn't need to be made great again. We just need to remove the hate which has risen to the top like cream in fresh milk.
We need to stop the hatred and anger. We need to all live in peace and understand that we are all the same.
We are all sons and daughters of both legal and illegal immigrants. It is our duty to continue the tradition which is deeply rooted in our genes as Americans... to accept all people who wish to enter our country with open arms. No one can say there will only be immigrants who are not already criminals in their home country. We can discover the criminals before they are allowed outside of the immigration offices, or even before. There is no need to be paranoid about terrorists coming into the US. That can be controlled in a sensible and humane manner. We have our own domestic terrorism which few people wish to acknowledge.
Our country has been great for quite awhile. It doesn't need to be made great again. We just need to remove the hate which has risen to the top like cream in fresh milk.
We need to stop the hatred and anger. We need to all live in peace and understand that we are all the same.
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Reading the quotes made me very sad. These pathetic twisted men (all men, notice) with their distorted hate-filled world view see themselves and 'finally out of the shadows'. Their movements slimy legacy has been mainstreamed by Trump, but to mistake that for new ascendency is yet another Trumpian delusion. In the fact-free echosphere of their alternate reality, they will rise up on a wave of support to 'take back our country'. I wonder what the Native Americans think about that... do these white men think they will turn back the tide of demographics, that they can establish some new 'Apartheid States of America' that will replace the current nation? I think they're wrong. It is still shameful, ugly, and pathetic to be racist, bigoted, xenophobic, isolationist, no matter what Gilchrist, Spencer, Taylor and their ilk believe. Racism is still shameful, weak and pathetic. Trump shares that shame, although he'll never feel it. Historians will wonder how Trump ever got so far as he did, but Republicans have done a remarkable job of implementing an alternative reality that smacks of "1984" - where racism, bigotry, and xenophobia are strong, instead of the weak fearful pathetic ideas they really are. Trump will have those deplorable ideas as his legacy, when he and his Alt-right buddies land in the trash heap of history where they belong.
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I'm afraid they have plenty of women willing to be their handmaidens.
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I was just watching Trump's NC rally and to watch full blown natzism explode on American Soil is so hard and helpless. I can't do this, what happened to our countrymen/women?
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Hate is an easily sold commodity as Herr Trump has clearly demonstrated. Most of his followers can easily articulate their grievances with their local community, state, nation, and the general distrust of government, suspicion for what they don't know about, etc. People like this have and always will exist in every civilization, past, present, future. The fact that in this country they happen to be white people who really should know better is what is so disturbing about the closeness of this election and demonstrates why solving the problem of hate must be the highest concern post election. The "silent majority" and other Tumps-ers will not quietly go away. And for that we all need to be vigilant, understanding, but above all on our guard.
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False equivalency in media coverage of Trump and Hillary Clinton allowed Trump to get this far and in essence 'normalized' him and his disgusting views.
When this election is over, there are many in the media who've claimed to be horrified by Trump but who gave him 24/7 media coverage not given to any other candidate because Trump was viewed as having "entertainment value" that enabled corporate media to make a fortune off broadcasting his loathsome views.
On MSNBC Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews, who both claim to oppose Trump, did a great deal to push his early candidacy by giving him loads of free air time to discuss his views or running his speeches in total with little or no criticism of him. To this day Scarborough and Matthews don't own their roles in promoting Trump to get ratings. They take no responsibility for their choices. Scarborough seemed to enjoy speculation he would be Trump's running mate.
CNN publicized Trump almost around the clock. These entities gave Trump enormous access to the public in order to get ratings and profits. When this is over, if Trump loses, people who run both those networks should have to answer for their heavy promotion of Donald Trump over the other GOP candidates. Scarborough & Matthews should be condemned for using Trump for ratings and profits.
Cable tv has been the pits in giving Trump huge access to an audience. Privileging his bile over other candidates should earn CNN and MSNBC the enmity of intelligent people.
When this election is over, there are many in the media who've claimed to be horrified by Trump but who gave him 24/7 media coverage not given to any other candidate because Trump was viewed as having "entertainment value" that enabled corporate media to make a fortune off broadcasting his loathsome views.
On MSNBC Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews, who both claim to oppose Trump, did a great deal to push his early candidacy by giving him loads of free air time to discuss his views or running his speeches in total with little or no criticism of him. To this day Scarborough and Matthews don't own their roles in promoting Trump to get ratings. They take no responsibility for their choices. Scarborough seemed to enjoy speculation he would be Trump's running mate.
CNN publicized Trump almost around the clock. These entities gave Trump enormous access to the public in order to get ratings and profits. When this is over, if Trump loses, people who run both those networks should have to answer for their heavy promotion of Donald Trump over the other GOP candidates. Scarborough & Matthews should be condemned for using Trump for ratings and profits.
Cable tv has been the pits in giving Trump huge access to an audience. Privileging his bile over other candidates should earn CNN and MSNBC the enmity of intelligent people.
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Trump did one good thing, he encouraged the sleaze to come out in the open rather than hide under their rocks.Now the world knows what the Republican party has within it’s ranks.What is needed is the likes of McCain,& Romney to stand up & rid the Party of these misfits.They degrade the memory of Lincoln, Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt & other giants who were great Americans.
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Don't look to Romney or McCain for any kind of decency, neither of them stood up to the racist rhetoric that Republicans have been spewing for decades and Romney joined in on it, he was just a bit more subtle about it.
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Right. McCain with his repulsive joke about how ugly Janet Reno was. What an upstanding citizen.
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DR.& Sue,
I feel like Abraham in his effort to save Sodom & Gamora, & couldn't find 10 righteous men.
I feel like Abraham in his effort to save Sodom & Gamora, & couldn't find 10 righteous men.
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If Trump's "extremist supporters" were able to enjoy some of his privileges - money and women - they might not have become lone fighters for their causes. Shattered dreams - unemployment, broken relationships, alimonies, debts, social marginalisation - have partly been the driving force behind their radicalisation.
Unfortunately in America's world of social Darwinism, they are left to their devices. Trump's supporters have been brought in from the cold during his campaign. They must have felt ashamed for not being able to make it in life. Now they translate it into anger and frustration, aiming to start a social-political movement. Fair enough, but they need to be constructive too if they want to win sympathy and support.
Unfortunately in America's world of social Darwinism, they are left to their devices. Trump's supporters have been brought in from the cold during his campaign. They must have felt ashamed for not being able to make it in life. Now they translate it into anger and frustration, aiming to start a social-political movement. Fair enough, but they need to be constructive too if they want to win sympathy and support.
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I agree. When my right wing, good old boy husband left me after he found out I was pregnant, I got job training through a public/private program, got into the work force and steadily worked my way up to a comfortable middle class lifestyle.
Republicans are against the type of programs that helped make me self sufficient. I believe in hard work, family etc. That's why I left the Republican party and vote for Democrats. I have no respect whatsoever for these people who use misfortune as an excuse for bigotry and bad behavior.
Republicans are against the type of programs that helped make me self sufficient. I believe in hard work, family etc. That's why I left the Republican party and vote for Democrats. I have no respect whatsoever for these people who use misfortune as an excuse for bigotry and bad behavior.
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If only angry, frustrated males could get their share of "money and women" they'd be happier?
Women as objects doled out to society's male winners. Charming!
Women as objects doled out to society's male winners. Charming!
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And here in lies the most unfortunate impact of this years election - those whose views aren't anywhere near valid, now believe their views have ALWAYS been valid.
I never thought time travel was possible, but Trump has taken us back 100 years...
I never thought time travel was possible, but Trump has taken us back 100 years...
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My opinion, for what it's worth, lays more than a bit of the blame for the rightward definition of normal goes to the centrist Democrats who have shoved and pulled their party to the right for the last forty years. In doing so, they lost their message and a piece of their soul, and, at the same time, their anchor point on the political spectrum. Not surprisingly, this allowed the GOP to slide more to the right without further distancing their party from the Dems. So in 2016 we have a GOP candidate far to the right of Goldwater running against today's equivalent of a 1960's moderate Republican. The entire scale has shifted far to the conservative side, thanks, again in my opinion, to soulless and spineless Democrats.
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You have a point, but I still favor a party that can govern for ALL the people, not just some of them. That's what Republicans do, and we sure don't want to be like Republicans. Never.
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@Michael Blum
You sir, have absolutely given us the right message; Trump is a result of spineless Democrats, greedy media and Wall Street who together have allowed this country to move further and further to extreme Republican ideas and ideation since the split in the Democratic party in 1964.
Now the Democratic party is undistinguishable from many Republicans of the robber baron days and Boss Tweed era.
You sir, have absolutely given us the right message; Trump is a result of spineless Democrats, greedy media and Wall Street who together have allowed this country to move further and further to extreme Republican ideas and ideation since the split in the Democratic party in 1964.
Now the Democratic party is undistinguishable from many Republicans of the robber baron days and Boss Tweed era.
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Nice try but no cigar.The Republicans have been sliding farther and farther to toward radical extremism all by themselves ever since Ronald Reagan.
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Best explanation/description of Donald Trump yet...
All the right words, all about the wrong person. Every word seems carefully chosen... this link is a short and concise ‘must read.’
Eric Zorn of the Chicago Tribune has written very possibly the best, most interesting piece on and about Donald Trump since this campaign began... there couldn’t be a more accurate description of everything about him…here’s one paragraph...
Election prediction: Trump loses even if he wins...
“History will show that Trump's pursuit of victory inflated the false hopes and inflamed the worst passions of Americans who feel left behind in the new economy and threatened by the increasing multicultural diversity in society. It will show that in exploiting and deceiving these voters with his slogans and coded appeals to nativism he left the country polarized, paranoid and peeved, as dysfunctionally split as it's been in more than 100 years.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-donald-
trump-wins-loses-zorn-perspec-1102-md-20161101-column.html
All the right words, all about the wrong person. Every word seems carefully chosen... this link is a short and concise ‘must read.’
Eric Zorn of the Chicago Tribune has written very possibly the best, most interesting piece on and about Donald Trump since this campaign began... there couldn’t be a more accurate description of everything about him…here’s one paragraph...
Election prediction: Trump loses even if he wins...
“History will show that Trump's pursuit of victory inflated the false hopes and inflamed the worst passions of Americans who feel left behind in the new economy and threatened by the increasing multicultural diversity in society. It will show that in exploiting and deceiving these voters with his slogans and coded appeals to nativism he left the country polarized, paranoid and peeved, as dysfunctionally split as it's been in more than 100 years.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-donald-
trump-wins-loses-zorn-perspec-1102-md-20161101-column.html
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This is the link to LA Cadger comment
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-donald-
trump-wins-loses-zorn-perspec-1102-md-20161101-column.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-donald-
trump-wins-loses-zorn-perspec-1102-md-20161101-column.html
Unfortunately, in trying to unify under a goal of dedication “to the heritage, identity and future of people of European descent in the United States,” the means toward the goal tend to be ugly and divisive rather than beautiful and unifying. Diversity is already here, and everyone needs to feel their identity is secure as all of us together move this country out of a state of tumult, if not quite chaos, toward a brighter future.
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It would be interesting to try to re-imagine this nasty race without Twitter. In Tunisia it was proclaimed that Twitter made the whole Arab Spring there possible, leading the way for the resulting debacle in Syria. Only time will tell for us here in the US.
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Yup. there's a very good reason why a there are still a lot of us who just don't participate in that questionable, and potentially dangerous, activity.
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These malcontents didn't follow their own standards for everyone else who happens to be non-white and experiencing tough times: working harder, saving more, having fewer children - as though children can be shoved back into the womb when times get tough - going to school to learn new skills, etc.
Now those same malcontents find themselves on the receiving end of their own convictions and we're all supposed to orient ourselves to their tough times?
Nope. Not an ounce of sympathy from me. While they targeted others with sneer and scorn, either for losing jobs through no fault of their own, or for working jobs like cleaning toilets and delivering newspapers seven days a week, they were losing out on opportunities to improve their own lives, making fun of anything remotely intellectual and informed all along the way.
How does it feel, GOP base, to be taking very strong doses of your own well-deserved medicine?
Latinos are turning out in droves to vote in protest of you. Wake UP.
Now those same malcontents find themselves on the receiving end of their own convictions and we're all supposed to orient ourselves to their tough times?
Nope. Not an ounce of sympathy from me. While they targeted others with sneer and scorn, either for losing jobs through no fault of their own, or for working jobs like cleaning toilets and delivering newspapers seven days a week, they were losing out on opportunities to improve their own lives, making fun of anything remotely intellectual and informed all along the way.
How does it feel, GOP base, to be taking very strong doses of your own well-deserved medicine?
Latinos are turning out in droves to vote in protest of you. Wake UP.
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Want to see an American President in action whose
views strongly resemble those of Donald Trump, alt-right conservatives and Mussolini?
Watch “Gabriel Over the White House,” a wild, but very interesting 1933 film starring Walter Huston.
Available now on YouTube or in the White House in January if we aren’t very careful tomorrow.
views strongly resemble those of Donald Trump, alt-right conservatives and Mussolini?
Watch “Gabriel Over the White House,” a wild, but very interesting 1933 film starring Walter Huston.
Available now on YouTube or in the White House in January if we aren’t very careful tomorrow.
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Horrible that his candidacy has encouraged racists. This country has struggled for decades to move towards racial equality and diversity, only to have such a loathsome candidate get this far spouting nakedly racist ideas.
Shameful. Hopefully his loss will be the end of the GOP, which has secretly lured support for decades with racist dog whistling. Trump bringing racial hatred out into the open has exposed the extent to which many GOP leaders are comfortable with racism.
Take a good look at Rudi Giuliani, Mike Pence, Ted Cruz, Newt Gingrich, Chris Christie and many others who have made themselves comfortable with Trump's candidacy. Hopefully their careers will now end with Trump's loss. This country should be rid of such people being accepted in our public life.
Shameful. Hopefully his loss will be the end of the GOP, which has secretly lured support for decades with racist dog whistling. Trump bringing racial hatred out into the open has exposed the extent to which many GOP leaders are comfortable with racism.
Take a good look at Rudi Giuliani, Mike Pence, Ted Cruz, Newt Gingrich, Chris Christie and many others who have made themselves comfortable with Trump's candidacy. Hopefully their careers will now end with Trump's loss. This country should be rid of such people being accepted in our public life.
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A Big Black Truck sped by me, with a bumper sticker “Big Barrel Guns, God and Trump”.
Wow, maybe that was a great slogan to win a Presidency in 1920 but not 2016.
No, the racists have not won anything. The country is turning browner and browner.
Women are getting most of the higher education degrees; many of these women will be your boss.
The fastest growing population group are Latinos; they are not going anywhere. The Wall is nonsense.
African Americans, Jews, Gays, and Muslim populations will continue to grow.
Trump is a blip in history. The angry white male can either change or get left further behind.
Extremists, you have lost...again.
Wow, maybe that was a great slogan to win a Presidency in 1920 but not 2016.
No, the racists have not won anything. The country is turning browner and browner.
Women are getting most of the higher education degrees; many of these women will be your boss.
The fastest growing population group are Latinos; they are not going anywhere. The Wall is nonsense.
African Americans, Jews, Gays, and Muslim populations will continue to grow.
Trump is a blip in history. The angry white male can either change or get left further behind.
Extremists, you have lost...again.
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So corrupt Democrats are inside the mainstream?
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This article directly contradicts that of a few days ago that quoted Trumph supporters as predicting, and validating, armed insurrection against a Hillary Clinton administration. Have you noticed the existence of Ammon Bundy and his ilk, and their recent acquittal? The "extremists" [aka mainstream Republicans] have since 2009 denied the legitimacy of the Obama administration and sabotaged it by every means within their power. If Trump loses, they will be even more morose, sullen, resentful, and convinced that they have been betrayed. They are already insisting that they have been defrauded by a crooked and stolen election. If Trumph's opponents had any clue whatever about the "thoughts" [if they can be called that] and "feelings" [likewise] of the Trumpists, and the driving forces motivating them, we might be in better shape than we are. As it is, the Clintonistas are as hermetically sealed againt reality, and as incapable of learning from experience or admitting error, as the lunatic supporters of Trump. Instead of ridiculing, dismissing and slandering Sanders and his supporters, they might have paused and learned something. But they are as adamantly opposed to, and incapable of this, as any beings in this or any other universe.
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I'm supporting Clinton and I voted for Sanders in my primary, exactly to pressure her to the left.
Which happened in the Platform.
To say that Clinton supporters learned nothing is factually wrong.
If she is elected, the goal becomes to keep the pressure on her. Who can say at this time if that will work or not?
I suspect it will, to a degree, although likely not enough for the more rigid and absolutest among the Sanders supporters.
Which happened in the Platform.
To say that Clinton supporters learned nothing is factually wrong.
If she is elected, the goal becomes to keep the pressure on her. Who can say at this time if that will work or not?
I suspect it will, to a degree, although likely not enough for the more rigid and absolutest among the Sanders supporters.
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Wait a minute; there is a big difference between main stream Republicans, Extremists, or Trumpeteers, and Clintonista's. The main streamers have been playing a political game by taking advantage of a conservative and racist America to discredit the Presidency, block progress, cripple government departments and slander Hillary. They did this so could regain power and turn over government functions to the private sector, those who paid to get them elected. What they actually did is open the door for Trumpites or all manner of extremist to come out of the woodwork and hijack the Republican Party. With Trump (who is not a Republican) they have succeeded in making all the bad things we have managed to suppress - mainstream and acceptable. What the Clintonites only recently learned is how dangerous this is for our entire system of government. Even Sanders understands this and is doing his best to persuade left wingers that this is not politics as normal, but an alt-right coup that may alter the course of history. We all have something to learn from this and it is the importance of seeking the truth and looking at the long-term ramification of those we elect to represent us.
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blockhead--PRESSURE should be put on EVERY elected official, instead of this checking a box, on election day, and just walking away, expecting everything to just turn out right. WE have to monitor our government, and pressure them to do what WE want them to do. They should only have the power WE allow them to have.
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I am not a Trump supporter. I did not vote for him. And, I abhor groups such as white nationalists which sadly exist and, I hope, regardless of the election outcome, will and should be relegated to corners of our society.
However, we should not marginalize the frustrations and feeling of the vast majority of Trump supporters because of his support by fringe groups. Like it or not, tens of millions of people will vote for him. Most of these people are decent hardworking citizens who are frustrated with their inability to be heard. Many feel left out and ignored. And, in fact, they may be right. We cannot afford to dismiss the concerns of Trump supporters simply because they support him.
If Mrs. Clinton is elected, she must reach out to the 40-50 million people who did not vote for her. She must listen to their heartfelt concerns. She must not let it seem that she knows what is best for them. And she can do all this without betraying her constituency.
When President Obama was first elected, Nancy Pelosi dismissively addressed those who did not vote for Democrats by saying, "We won". Mrs. Clinton should instead acknowledge that almost half, or, depending upon the third party votes, maybe even the majority of votes were cast against her. Instead of dismissing them, she must make a sincere and heartfelt outreach to all citizens. Listen to them. Give them a voice. Or, the divide that currently afflicts our country will widen into an unbridgeable chasm.
However, we should not marginalize the frustrations and feeling of the vast majority of Trump supporters because of his support by fringe groups. Like it or not, tens of millions of people will vote for him. Most of these people are decent hardworking citizens who are frustrated with their inability to be heard. Many feel left out and ignored. And, in fact, they may be right. We cannot afford to dismiss the concerns of Trump supporters simply because they support him.
If Mrs. Clinton is elected, she must reach out to the 40-50 million people who did not vote for her. She must listen to their heartfelt concerns. She must not let it seem that she knows what is best for them. And she can do all this without betraying her constituency.
When President Obama was first elected, Nancy Pelosi dismissively addressed those who did not vote for Democrats by saying, "We won". Mrs. Clinton should instead acknowledge that almost half, or, depending upon the third party votes, maybe even the majority of votes were cast against her. Instead of dismissing them, she must make a sincere and heartfelt outreach to all citizens. Listen to them. Give them a voice. Or, the divide that currently afflicts our country will widen into an unbridgeable chasm.
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it is one thing to request outreach, and I'm sure clinton will do this. it is another thing entirely to be on the opposite end and say, yes - we will reach out.
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Totally agree. The worst thing she could have done is call "half of them deplorables" because it repulsed many of them away from here. There's always the crazy fringe elements should shout - but they are fringe only. She should have said, "I hear your frustration - but you have chosen the absolutely worst standard bearer for your grievances. A rich, greedy, ignorant narcissist who is using you and your tax dollars to inflate himself and then hides his corruption by refusing to share his tax returns and other information that must be the basis for the transparency." Not that the Republicans have a decent standard-bearer - the sane ones have been brow-beaten out of public service (hello Tom Campbell - had President written all over him). . . .
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40% of eligible Americans don't vote. A lot of the "40- 50 million people who do not vote for her" won't have voted for anyone at all. Don't give Trump credit for numbers that are actually just the apathy of our citizenry.
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It may be from a movie character, but the words “Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.” seem so relevant during this election.
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I live in Australia and have been watching your election campaign with some interest, all I have seen is mud slinging and callous, distorted facts about both candidates, why I ask. Running a government is not about personalities or even gender it is about looking after the people you represent. Hilary Clinton to me represents all that is bad in big government, shady deals, looking after one section of society and forgetting that these people only make up a very small proportion of the population. She has to me been shady all through her position as Secretary of State and some of the things that have come out, any ordinary person would be charged with a felony but on the other hand Donald Trump has hit a note with many, his ideas of trying to reinvigorate American manufacturing is sound if not a bit fanciful. His rhetoric on immigration resonates well with people as they have seen what it has done to Europe. He wants a dialogue with Russia over ISIS whereas Hilary wants to confront them and even talks of bombing Iran and a no fly zone over Syria, which is tantamount to declaring war because Syria and Russia would not accept that scenario. So best of luck to both of them but who ever wins America and the rest of the world are in for a turbulent time over the next four years with mass migration of people who genuinely hate America and any western style country and strive to cause mayhem and havoc.
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you can't make deals with putin period.
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Your comment is certainly full of distorted about both candidates. You could be a bit more subtle if you are here to shill for Donald Trump.
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That is what happens when the Supreme Court of an established democracy allows unlimited and even anonymous donations to Super PACS which in turn allow marginal contenders to sustain campaigns that would have faltered from the lack of financial support under the rules in place during our first 240 years as a democracy.
The Founding Fathers foundation concept of "one man, one vote" goes out the window when billionaires whose accumulation of funds under murky circumstances can donate eight figure amounts to those willing to push their special interests.
The Founding Fathers foundation concept of "one man, one vote" goes out the window when billionaires whose accumulation of funds under murky circumstances can donate eight figure amounts to those willing to push their special interests.
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Trump supporters are loose in Ohio, compliments of RBG.
Mission Accomplished. The "Teflon Don" has gotten rid of the parasitic protection racket of the economic elite better known as the Republican party. Who thought he could actually make America Great Again by throwing a molatov cocktail into Gang Of Pillagers. The financial deregulation and tax cuts for the economic elites will be missed only by the politician buyers as the wealth gap in America is reduced because of the end of the party of the parasites.
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Not so sure the alt right and their losing strategy will have legs after the election.
If the senate balance of power swings to the left, game set match.
The remaining lunatics still in office will have to tone it down a notch to get re elected, as they have been fully exposed as being obstructionist, constitutional hypocrites, religious idol worshipers, dishonest messengers, and bigots with no definable social and economic plan except for the "no" plan.
If the senate balance of power swings to the left, game set match.
The remaining lunatics still in office will have to tone it down a notch to get re elected, as they have been fully exposed as being obstructionist, constitutional hypocrites, religious idol worshipers, dishonest messengers, and bigots with no definable social and economic plan except for the "no" plan.
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This whole thing was much more than figuring out who the next president will be. We have now become fully aware what America is all about, basically a group of some 350 million people not liking each other, many carrying guns, some 85% not understanding the world as a whole and some 15% believing they are fully educated by having a meager Bachelor degree at some mediocre college and paying a fortune for it, etc. We now know that America has slipped in intelligence, self assurance, job security, and retirement benefits compared to any other Western country. But we still have the dead penalty though so not all is lost (it seems).
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It appears that about 40% of the electorate will vote for Trump. The big question is what fraction of these voters actually buy into what the alt-right is selling?
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I consider these white racist groups allying themselves with the Trump movement as "deplorable" as Hillary Clinton says. However, let me say this:
I grew up poor & white in a working class neighborhood in Chicago, and I've always felt that some poor whites had legitimate grievances that were rarely heard. My family lived for years in a neighborhood that was virtually all black except for us. Most of our black neighbors were nice, decent people but there was no question that crime went up markedly in the neighborhood when it changed from white to black. And there is an element of racist, sometimes violent blacks (the mirror image of white racists) that scapegoat their grievances on convenient innocent white & Asian scapegoats. There is nothing "micro" about their racism. Wealthy white liberals & the media often don't have a clue about this. Spike Lee made a critically acclaimed film that applauds this kind of scapegoating which he refers to as "Doing the Right Thing". After suffering much petty crime, my family moved out of our neighborhood after 3 black criminals with guns walked into our home one night & robbed us.
It's tragic that many blue-collar white conservatives feel that the only voice they have is Mr. Trump who I believe as President would be dangerous. They are expressing some justified anger but in a reckless manner.
I grew up poor & white in a working class neighborhood in Chicago, and I've always felt that some poor whites had legitimate grievances that were rarely heard. My family lived for years in a neighborhood that was virtually all black except for us. Most of our black neighbors were nice, decent people but there was no question that crime went up markedly in the neighborhood when it changed from white to black. And there is an element of racist, sometimes violent blacks (the mirror image of white racists) that scapegoat their grievances on convenient innocent white & Asian scapegoats. There is nothing "micro" about their racism. Wealthy white liberals & the media often don't have a clue about this. Spike Lee made a critically acclaimed film that applauds this kind of scapegoating which he refers to as "Doing the Right Thing". After suffering much petty crime, my family moved out of our neighborhood after 3 black criminals with guns walked into our home one night & robbed us.
It's tragic that many blue-collar white conservatives feel that the only voice they have is Mr. Trump who I believe as President would be dangerous. They are expressing some justified anger but in a reckless manner.
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All extremists eventually hole themselves in from outside pressure then do themselves when they realize they have reached their limit of exposure and/or infighting occurs from differing opinions.
Sometimes leadership takes everyone down with them (James Jones and David Koresh), but more often than not infighting weakens an overgrown monster (ISIS).
Sometimes leadership takes everyone down with them (James Jones and David Koresh), but more often than not infighting weakens an overgrown monster (ISIS).
Brimelow seems to have missed the fact that Virginia Dare's parents were English; immigrants to an English colony established in the 16th century under the auspices of Queen Elizabeth I. There was no America then, so neither Virginia or her parents could be identified as American nor would they have identified themselves that way.
Imagine now, all of Baby Dare's contemporaries, the countless children of the autochthonous people who lived here when she was born that neither Brimelow and his acolyte, Spenser, acknowledge.
Imagine now, all of Baby Dare's contemporaries, the countless children of the autochthonous people who lived here when she was born that neither Brimelow and his acolyte, Spenser, acknowledge.
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People living with mental illness have never been part of any "mainstream." They do not comprise a significant voting bloc so nobody cares about them. How ironic that self-proclaimed "tolerant" liberals use implication of mental illness to smear their opponents. This isn't the first election they've chosen to use these able-ist tactics. Shame on you, liberals. Stop calling people you disagree with "loons" and other able-ist slurs.
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How about addressing the very serious issues here rather than using this kind of diversion?
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Is stigmatization and othering of people with mental illness not a "very serious issue"? There are plenty of comments here addressing other "very serious issues." I live with bipolar disorder and it's a very serious issue, as major psychotic illness is, both socially and medically, for many people who live with it. We are part of the population too and we are allowed to make comments related to our group without being accused of "diversion."
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These people are understood well enough.
Isolate them.. and work with Bernie, Elizabeth...and to some extent, Hillary.
Also work with conservatives and liberals who we fact check.
Issues are issues. I do not know any economist who I can tell proves the voracity of trickle down theory, or investment in infrastructure and human capital--under specific sets of conditions... Many of you no doubt can.
But, we can learn facts easily enough, normally.
Isolate them.. and work with Bernie, Elizabeth...and to some extent, Hillary.
Also work with conservatives and liberals who we fact check.
Issues are issues. I do not know any economist who I can tell proves the voracity of trickle down theory, or investment in infrastructure and human capital--under specific sets of conditions... Many of you no doubt can.
But, we can learn facts easily enough, normally.
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I'll have it be known that I changed my commenting name from my real name (which I used for years) to Clearwater out of concern that some whacked out pro-Trump extremist might try to track me down for one of my written jabs at their candidate. This was a growing concern to me especially after hearing many NPR reports on several journalists getting horrendously trolled by said supporters and people with Hillary signs in their yards being threatened.
Anyone who ever meets me knows I am not one to back down lightly either.
That should tell you something about the supporters of this most dangerous candidate. He has never ever tried to control his fringe or even not so fringe elements.
Anyone who ever meets me knows I am not one to back down lightly either.
That should tell you something about the supporters of this most dangerous candidate. He has never ever tried to control his fringe or even not so fringe elements.
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Empowering hate is not what a Presidential candidate is supposed to do. It creates dissent over trivial issues rather than real issues, while turning us against each other.
For example, Illegal immigrants are about 5% of the workforce (about 8 of the 11 million work) and the vast majority otherwise abide by the law; why would that merit a top 3 issue on the national agenda?
How about income inequality, education, and healthcare? Are you going to bump one of those to focus on a non-issue?
The real challenge is that the jobs that used to be done by white men with lower educations are getting automated or are going overseas. That is a legitimate grievance. For those older workers displaced, we should be looking at a guaranteed income and early access to Social Security and Medicare. For younger folks, we should have free college educations.
Clinton at least is raising taxes on the rich to pay for college educations. Trump's plans use protectionism would fail, as the jobs would not return. Better to re-distribute a bigger pie than fight over a smaller pie, as 370 economists just explained in a letter against Trump.
For example, Illegal immigrants are about 5% of the workforce (about 8 of the 11 million work) and the vast majority otherwise abide by the law; why would that merit a top 3 issue on the national agenda?
How about income inequality, education, and healthcare? Are you going to bump one of those to focus on a non-issue?
The real challenge is that the jobs that used to be done by white men with lower educations are getting automated or are going overseas. That is a legitimate grievance. For those older workers displaced, we should be looking at a guaranteed income and early access to Social Security and Medicare. For younger folks, we should have free college educations.
Clinton at least is raising taxes on the rich to pay for college educations. Trump's plans use protectionism would fail, as the jobs would not return. Better to re-distribute a bigger pie than fight over a smaller pie, as 370 economists just explained in a letter against Trump.
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Trump's temerity, frequent irrational behaviors and statements, and his impetuous inclinations, might have emboldened the terrorists abroad, and at home, maybe. His bare knuckle brawls with the press, and constant bickerings instantaneously, with whoever opposes his views, just to name a few, have generated a cornucopia of adversaries for a long time to come.
His gratuitous bellicosity might pave the way for ginormous diplomatic obstacles. NATO nations are already apprehensive, for understandable reasons of his re-evaluation of their funding practices. While still inchoate, his foreign policy pronouncements, nuclear options, and military strategies are being received with jeopardizing jitters almost all over the world.
Perhaps a grossly missing piece in his style of governing, should he win, heaven forbid, is his utter lack of a mature demeanor, which has culminated in apoplexy, quite frequently. At the drop of a hat, Trump flies off the handle, and its repercussions can spell an elegiac apocalypse.
Finally, if he has enormous trouble in controlling his impulses, he may, in all likelihood, earn the wrath of foreign dignitaries, and the relations might show signs of strain. For these reasons, Trump ought not to be the next POTUS. In brief, there is absolutely nothing novel in what has been said about him so far.
His gratuitous bellicosity might pave the way for ginormous diplomatic obstacles. NATO nations are already apprehensive, for understandable reasons of his re-evaluation of their funding practices. While still inchoate, his foreign policy pronouncements, nuclear options, and military strategies are being received with jeopardizing jitters almost all over the world.
Perhaps a grossly missing piece in his style of governing, should he win, heaven forbid, is his utter lack of a mature demeanor, which has culminated in apoplexy, quite frequently. At the drop of a hat, Trump flies off the handle, and its repercussions can spell an elegiac apocalypse.
Finally, if he has enormous trouble in controlling his impulses, he may, in all likelihood, earn the wrath of foreign dignitaries, and the relations might show signs of strain. For these reasons, Trump ought not to be the next POTUS. In brief, there is absolutely nothing novel in what has been said about him so far.
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Glance at the photo. Do any of you sense any bias directed at Trump? And what are the hopes of extremists supporting Hillary Clinton? I am neutral as to which one of them might do us less harm. I wish I could say the same for the NY Times.
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It's a photo of Trump, one of thousands, that's who he is.
I'd love some examples of extremists who support Hillary Clinton and some proof that they have or might cause anyone harm.
I'd love some examples of extremists who support Hillary Clinton and some proof that they have or might cause anyone harm.
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So, "extremists" are only on the right? This betrays the bankrupt intellectual capability that characterizes the NYT and the left. There are extremists on both sides of the spectrum, yet this paper characterizes the "left-wing" as normal, and the "right-wing" as crazy.
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I believe that if Trump wins and assumes office, he will change, because after all, mission will have been accomplished. He's smart enough to take advice from others, anyone, even the gardener (Peter Sellers?). It will not be a disaster for the country, only for the Clinton brand. Change is all, everything in fact. Fresh air. And sounds of war will be muted.
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Why would you believe he's going to take advice? All change is not equal and "sounds of war" were not muted even with the Bush administration, far less radical than Trump.
Per a phone interview Trump gave to MSNBC's Morning Joe:
I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. In fact, in my book, in 2000, I talk about Osama bin Laden, and I do remember someone putting the book in front of Joe, and Joe saying, No way he talked about it, no he wrote about Osama bin Laden before the World Trade Center came down, and they said, No, he really did. And I remember Joe looking at the book saying, I don't believe it, that's amazing, OK? So I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are, but I speak to a lot of people. But my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff."
From http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-trump-foreign-policy-team-2... regarding Trump's foreign policy team.
"“The experts are terrible,” he said in La Crosse, Wis. “Look at the mess we’re in with all these experts that we have. Look at the mess. Look at the Middle East. If our presidents and our politicians went on vacation for 365 days a year and went to the beach, we’d be in much better shape right now in the Middle East.”
Per a phone interview Trump gave to MSNBC's Morning Joe:
I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. In fact, in my book, in 2000, I talk about Osama bin Laden, and I do remember someone putting the book in front of Joe, and Joe saying, No way he talked about it, no he wrote about Osama bin Laden before the World Trade Center came down, and they said, No, he really did. And I remember Joe looking at the book saying, I don't believe it, that's amazing, OK? So I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are, but I speak to a lot of people. But my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff."
From http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-trump-foreign-policy-team-2... regarding Trump's foreign policy team.
"“The experts are terrible,” he said in La Crosse, Wis. “Look at the mess we’re in with all these experts that we have. Look at the mess. Look at the Middle East. If our presidents and our politicians went on vacation for 365 days a year and went to the beach, we’d be in much better shape right now in the Middle East.”
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You are so living in LaLa Land. He will change just like the abusers of women change after they promise to never hit a woman again...until next time. Grow up!
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Trump is by no means smart enough to take advice. He has never, not once, taken advice willingly from other people. He's really not that bright. Try to view him objectively, but ideally, he won't win and we can go back to ignoring him.
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Yep. Trump has given those poor, ignored racists, sexual predators, sexists and homophobes a voice. They've been living with the sting of not being able to Lynch a black man that they don't like the look of for decades, and they're getting their groove back.
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All eyes will be on the GOP and Reince Preibus after Tuesday to see how the Party plan to contend with their non-silent majority. Will there be a mass exodus of moderate Republicans along with the educated Whites from the GOP to a third Party or will they sign up to vote for the Democratic Ticket?
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"Even if Mr. Trump loses, his candidacy has emboldened groups long thought to be well outside the political mainstream."
Right? Giuliani, Gingrich, Christie ... it's like they're welcome back in civilization again. It's the new normal! They're as acceptable as, you know, Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan or Ted Nugent.
I vote we hold the next skinhead biker party at Mar-a-Lago. Who's with me?
Right? Giuliani, Gingrich, Christie ... it's like they're welcome back in civilization again. It's the new normal! They're as acceptable as, you know, Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan or Ted Nugent.
I vote we hold the next skinhead biker party at Mar-a-Lago. Who's with me?
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FEAR FACTOR
If Trump looses the election, his supporters will be disappointed, annoyed, and possibly vengeful. Their fear of this result extends as far as a "continuation of the status quo " or extension of Obama's policies. The impact is not a life threat to them. Few are considering leaving America if this result occurs whereas there is a significant number of Clinton voters ( including 50% of hispanics) serious about moving rather than live in a Trump America.
If Clinton looses, her supporters fear for their lives, livelihood and the fate of the nation's future in disastrous proportions. When her opponent is supported by the KKK and white supremacists, the fear is real and palatable.
The sleeping bias' and racial prejudices seemingly restrained by 'political correctness" is unleashed and no amount of truth or fact checking will deter their vigorous, vehement support for Trump...his brand not only has a Teflon coating but is also impenetrable to diminishment by the truth.
Please, God bless America. Some of us fear for its survival.
If Trump looses the election, his supporters will be disappointed, annoyed, and possibly vengeful. Their fear of this result extends as far as a "continuation of the status quo " or extension of Obama's policies. The impact is not a life threat to them. Few are considering leaving America if this result occurs whereas there is a significant number of Clinton voters ( including 50% of hispanics) serious about moving rather than live in a Trump America.
If Clinton looses, her supporters fear for their lives, livelihood and the fate of the nation's future in disastrous proportions. When her opponent is supported by the KKK and white supremacists, the fear is real and palatable.
The sleeping bias' and racial prejudices seemingly restrained by 'political correctness" is unleashed and no amount of truth or fact checking will deter their vigorous, vehement support for Trump...his brand not only has a Teflon coating but is also impenetrable to diminishment by the truth.
Please, God bless America. Some of us fear for its survival.
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"If Clinton looses, her supporters fear for their lives, livelihood and the fate of the nation's future in disastrous proportions. "
Along with the rest of the civilized world.
Along with the rest of the civilized world.
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What we are seeing is that the veneer of civilization is shockingly thin and easily penetrated.
Whenever in the future we wonder how dictators can be freely elected, how countries can embark on sanctioned and systematic discrimination and even extermination, we only will have to review this election.
America, sadly, is not exceptional after all.
Whenever in the future we wonder how dictators can be freely elected, how countries can embark on sanctioned and systematic discrimination and even extermination, we only will have to review this election.
America, sadly, is not exceptional after all.
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By "extremists" the NYT means any group that fails to abide by it's neo-liberal agenda. It becomes a real threat to our democracy and freedom when any group begins to see itself so self-righteous as to be the "labeler" for the nation. Please refrain from trying to box in any voice that doesn't subscribe to your ideals.
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No Kimbo, they mean racists who want to purge America of all non-whites and non-Christians. They mean militias who seek to promote anarchy, with the best-armed people running things. The extremists are called this because they are extreme, and they are horrible people, not just people that don't subscribe to our ideals.
Never, never stick up for the KKK and their ilk. They are the worst of humanity and nothing good can be said about them, there is no reason to defend them.
Never, never stick up for the KKK and their ilk. They are the worst of humanity and nothing good can be said about them, there is no reason to defend them.
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Donald Trump needs attention all the time.
His pathetic addiction to Twitter verifies that.
He is so mentally vacuous, all he thinks about is "me, me, me."
Just like his supporters.
The majority of us Americans are better than that.
Tomorrow we'll bring it home.
His pathetic addiction to Twitter verifies that.
He is so mentally vacuous, all he thinks about is "me, me, me."
Just like his supporters.
The majority of us Americans are better than that.
Tomorrow we'll bring it home.
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Regardless of who wins, we have a boatload of work to do to kill off the poison of bigotry, hatred, misogyny, racism, anti-semitism and every other corrosive, destructive and harmful behavior that has been given the green light during this awful campaign season. I don't want to live in a country where I fear for my safety because I am (fill in the blank.) On November 10, the hard work to make sure we all can live together and make this country worth something good for all will begin. I'm looking out to Thursday already.
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I was appalled and disgusted when I saw a Donald Trump ad over the weekend packed with anti-Semitic connotations, basically asserting that Jews are part of a global conspiracy to undermine the US and its working population. The Trump ad was legitimizing "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
The four readily identifiable American bad guys in the ad are Hillary Clinton, George Soros (Jewish financier), Janet Yellen (Jewish Fed Chair) and Lloyd Blankfein (Jewish Goldman Sachs CEO).
"It's a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities."
This is intentional and by design. It is no accident. It's a continuation of a theme spewed by Trump under the auspices of "alt-right" promoter and campaign CEO Steve Bannon, the standard paranoid trope of global elites working to undermine our country from within, and lo-and-behold the global elites in question just all happen to be Jewish.
Whether Trump himself is an anti-Semite or is merely willing to lend his name to the effort is beside the larger point; his campaign had time for one last pitch to his supporters.
Racism, misogyny, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and nationalism promoted through blatant misinformation and the peddling of an unending stream of conspiracy theories. And a disdain for both the opposition party and democracy.
The four readily identifiable American bad guys in the ad are Hillary Clinton, George Soros (Jewish financier), Janet Yellen (Jewish Fed Chair) and Lloyd Blankfein (Jewish Goldman Sachs CEO).
"It's a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities."
This is intentional and by design. It is no accident. It's a continuation of a theme spewed by Trump under the auspices of "alt-right" promoter and campaign CEO Steve Bannon, the standard paranoid trope of global elites working to undermine our country from within, and lo-and-behold the global elites in question just all happen to be Jewish.
Whether Trump himself is an anti-Semite or is merely willing to lend his name to the effort is beside the larger point; his campaign had time for one last pitch to his supporters.
Racism, misogyny, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and nationalism promoted through blatant misinformation and the peddling of an unending stream of conspiracy theories. And a disdain for both the opposition party and democracy.
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...the alt-right extremists will inevitably come up with a typically American version of the Brexit...
USexit.
...and the alt-right will think that the expression is 'subtle'.
USexit.
...and the alt-right will think that the expression is 'subtle'.
I could make a similar argument for the other side as well, Socialists were once viewed as extremists well outside the mainstream of the democratic party but now with Bernie they are emboldened and feel vindicated.
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Socialists have always been, and will continue to be, viewed as extremists by Right Wing Fascists - which is what the political right in this country is today.
Are we all in this together? Or is everyone an island?
Frankly, I'd like to see the Republicans live up to their ethos and go it alone. Will no help from anyone - ever again.
Are we all in this together? Or is everyone an island?
Frankly, I'd like to see the Republicans live up to their ethos and go it alone. Will no help from anyone - ever again.
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NYT hysteria ... racists are not going to take over the country, militia groups are not going to assault and seize the Capital. C'mon folks, let's be serious to be taken seriously. Trump's pending defeat will allow the country to slump back into it's pre - electoral status quo. Wall Street and Silicon Valley will continue to get rich, good jobs for young graduates will continue to be difficult to find, commerce and capital and jobs will continue to flow through their existing global conduits, and politicians and media pundits will continue to labor to retain and enhance their positions. All thus is in the nature of things. What the Trump campaign has done, despite it's boorishness, is add a few uncomfortable items to the country's political agenda; e.g.; immigration and it's possible effect on low income wages, border control, globalization and the exorbitant profits from which flow into the portfolios of the top strata of society, military interventions with ambiguous benefit to the national interest, and the overall nexus at the top between financial and political interests. Trump is arguably correct that the system needs a bit of a shaking up, but he wasn't the right person to bring it about.
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Since, for you, nothing ever changes, than things must have always been this way. Which they haven't. Which puts a big pin in your balloon.
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You expect change with Hillary? Speaking of balloons, that seems a rather large one of self delusion.
On the other hand, Sanders supporters have been talking a lot about holding Clinton's "feet to the fire" if she's not progressive enough in office, if she wins. Ha!!
I'd like to point out that if the Sanders' millennials don't turn out to vote for Clinton in a significant way, after she moved the platform very progressively left for them, added their issues to the top of her agenda and spent so much time and effort campaigning from the left during a general election, they should not be considered in her base.
GOP women crossed over for her, white college educated males, black supporters campaigned at her side and in their communities across the country, and women and hispanics are practically carrying her across the finish line with weak millennial support. It would be offensive for her to focus on chasing Sanders' base's priorities once in office, above her coalition voters' issues.
So only if they turn out to vote in significant numbers for her should progressives, who tried to primary Clinton and, after they failed, gave her weak support and undermined her candidacy, be considered part of Clinton's base. If they marginalize themselves with protest votes, we should ignore their attempts to "hold her feet to the fire" for progressive purity.
Hopefully, divisive extremists of both left and right will end up sidelined for some time. Whether they have been tea party/nationalist base right wingers or resentful, oppositional Sanders supporters, they'll get in the way.
I'd like to point out that if the Sanders' millennials don't turn out to vote for Clinton in a significant way, after she moved the platform very progressively left for them, added their issues to the top of her agenda and spent so much time and effort campaigning from the left during a general election, they should not be considered in her base.
GOP women crossed over for her, white college educated males, black supporters campaigned at her side and in their communities across the country, and women and hispanics are practically carrying her across the finish line with weak millennial support. It would be offensive for her to focus on chasing Sanders' base's priorities once in office, above her coalition voters' issues.
So only if they turn out to vote in significant numbers for her should progressives, who tried to primary Clinton and, after they failed, gave her weak support and undermined her candidacy, be considered part of Clinton's base. If they marginalize themselves with protest votes, we should ignore their attempts to "hold her feet to the fire" for progressive purity.
Hopefully, divisive extremists of both left and right will end up sidelined for some time. Whether they have been tea party/nationalist base right wingers or resentful, oppositional Sanders supporters, they'll get in the way.
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Who could have imagined, like Mr. Gilchrist, that America could support someone as xenophobic, narcissistic and driven by conspiracy theories as the current Republican nominee? Well, anyone who has watched the rise of Fox news and social media as the echo chamber for so many angry and uneducated white people - Sorry angry and educated white people, I have no idea what you're thinking if you support Mr. Trump, good luck with that.
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After he loses, it'll be not-so-interesting to see how Trump will continue reaching out to support his new-found constituency. If they can't afford to play in his casinos, that is.
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In the midst of all this, I would like to see the United States' ally Israel, to whom we give millions if not billions of dollars, open its borders to refugees and dismantle its divisive wall (perhaps an example for Trump) as soon as possible. I'm sure all readers here who self-righteously support a certain specific brand of "tolerance" (while not tolerating ANYTHING that might possibly be labeled-- gasp-- "racism" or "xenophobia") agree!
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When extremists win, the majority loses.
Of course, whenever the GOP does anything, the majority loses.
48% of people voting to continue the endless enrichment of 1% - all to their detriment. It's the story of Americans Willful Ignorance.
The education of the electorate determines the quality of it's governance.
Stupid in > Stupid out.
Of course, whenever the GOP does anything, the majority loses.
48% of people voting to continue the endless enrichment of 1% - all to their detriment. It's the story of Americans Willful Ignorance.
The education of the electorate determines the quality of it's governance.
Stupid in > Stupid out.
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"While Mr. Trump seems likely to lose the election, many of his most extreme supporters say they believe that they have already won."
The corollary is, of course, the country has already lost--whether or not Trump wins. Lost in terms of vulgarities spewed in public, gun threats on Hillary Clinton, violence at Trump rallies, dark insinuations about taking matters into their own hands if political choices don't swing their way, GOP leaders already promising to boycott HRC's Supreme Court nominations should she be elected.
Above all, there has been a blend of what passes for "normal" on the right, on its way to savaging the Constitution: FBI partisan moves, refusal to consider a sitting president's Supreme Court nomination, acceptance of election results. When you have GOP leaders in power who have vowed to vote for Trump even though not "totally" supporting him, it begs the question, "what parts of the Trumpian agenda DO YOU support?"
Anyway, this was a good read prior to making get out the vote calls for Clinton. Right wing hate groups may feel cheered that Trump has somehow rendered them legitimate, but I can assure them that at least half, if not more of the country doesn't buy into this legitimacy and will devote their lives to protecting our national Democratic values.
The corollary is, of course, the country has already lost--whether or not Trump wins. Lost in terms of vulgarities spewed in public, gun threats on Hillary Clinton, violence at Trump rallies, dark insinuations about taking matters into their own hands if political choices don't swing their way, GOP leaders already promising to boycott HRC's Supreme Court nominations should she be elected.
Above all, there has been a blend of what passes for "normal" on the right, on its way to savaging the Constitution: FBI partisan moves, refusal to consider a sitting president's Supreme Court nomination, acceptance of election results. When you have GOP leaders in power who have vowed to vote for Trump even though not "totally" supporting him, it begs the question, "what parts of the Trumpian agenda DO YOU support?"
Anyway, this was a good read prior to making get out the vote calls for Clinton. Right wing hate groups may feel cheered that Trump has somehow rendered them legitimate, but I can assure them that at least half, if not more of the country doesn't buy into this legitimacy and will devote their lives to protecting our national Democratic values.
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Bernie and Elizabeth can be approached to choose ways forward, together with us to dialogue with the Clintons and Barack and some conservatives.
“What you can’t say is that we’re just a bunch of marginal loons,” Mr. Spencer said. Sadly, perhaps no longer marginal. Loony? Maybe a sample from Mr. Spencer's website can shed some light:
"The history of the 20th century has been a history of a long civil war, a Brothers War. Trump and Putin—this is the image of two of the three great blocks of the White Race—North America and Russia—finally reaching an understanding. It is a cancellation of the the 20th century. A sign of hope that Europeans can finally stop fighting each other, and losing the whole world in the process."
Trump and Putin as Napoleonic heroes leading an great Aryan revival. That's the drivel that Mr. Spencer peddles. Perhaps not loony in the same sense that the early writings of a certain Austrian house painter weren't loony. Rather, the message is evil and the messenger coldly calculating and dangerous.
"The history of the 20th century has been a history of a long civil war, a Brothers War. Trump and Putin—this is the image of two of the three great blocks of the White Race—North America and Russia—finally reaching an understanding. It is a cancellation of the the 20th century. A sign of hope that Europeans can finally stop fighting each other, and losing the whole world in the process."
Trump and Putin as Napoleonic heroes leading an great Aryan revival. That's the drivel that Mr. Spencer peddles. Perhaps not loony in the same sense that the early writings of a certain Austrian house painter weren't loony. Rather, the message is evil and the messenger coldly calculating and dangerous.
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Extremists always feel like winners. That comes with extremist territory.
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Sadly, the national media are largely responsible for normalizing the obscene and abusive language from Trump and his closest supporters. When they should have been critical, they have instead carried many Trump speeches in their entirety, giving him not only free publicity but making it appear that his rants are normal political speech. This has been done in the interest of building ratings, and has come at the expense of honest and fair reporting. This election campaign has done important and lasting harm, not only to the national Republican party and the FBI, but also to the allegedly mainstream broadcast and cable networks. CNN can be singled out as particularly guilty of passing off political argument as news reporting, but most of the media share culpability.
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Um, guy, I don't like anything Cruz said, so therefore no publicity? Freedom of Speech doesn't work that way. You can't blame the media for making money. That is the part of capitalism that everyone likes, profits. It comes as part & parcel of a capitalist democracy. If DT was censored because you don't agree with him, that is exactly what he is proposing to do with a loosening of libel laws. This article clearly states there are a lot of people that do (sadly) agree with him.
As much as I dislike & disagree with everything he says, does & believes ion, he's an American who has that right to speak.
As much as I dislike & disagree with everything he says, does & believes ion, he's an American who has that right to speak.
Robin Smith - I like your comment very much but Robert has a point. The media did enable Trump by giving him more coverage than any other candidate and by waiting to print the stories of his lifelong bad behavior.
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This article says that if you dont love illegal immigration, you are part of the alt right.
Im an MIT-educated polyamorous transgender woman. Im about as liberal as its possible to be. I voted for Jill Stein for President.
However, I guess Im part of the "extremist fringe" of alt right people because I dont believe in open borders or rewarding illegal immigrants for bypassing the line for legal immigrants and just hopping the border.
I think this paper is going too far trying to push their views on people. They write an article denigrating fake news, and then they write this article trying to push a narrative about illegal immigration being an alt right issue when really a majority of Americans want immigration reform that doesnt cheapen what being a citizen means.
If wanting illegal immigration to end is an alt-right concept, than I guess Im an alt-right Jill Stein voter lol.
Im an MIT-educated polyamorous transgender woman. Im about as liberal as its possible to be. I voted for Jill Stein for President.
However, I guess Im part of the "extremist fringe" of alt right people because I dont believe in open borders or rewarding illegal immigrants for bypassing the line for legal immigrants and just hopping the border.
I think this paper is going too far trying to push their views on people. They write an article denigrating fake news, and then they write this article trying to push a narrative about illegal immigration being an alt right issue when really a majority of Americans want immigration reform that doesnt cheapen what being a citizen means.
If wanting illegal immigration to end is an alt-right concept, than I guess Im an alt-right Jill Stein voter lol.
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Take some time & visit some of these alt-right websites. Then tell me you're OK with their messages. If so, you really are deplorable.
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Try a little critical thinking. Neither candidate Clinton nor the DEM platform advocates open borders or unrestricted immigration. The point of this article is that far-right , white nationalists groups like the KKK, American Nazis, and other hate organizations have given support to the Trump campaign and that he has made little effort to disavow. For whatever you or I think about immigration, it is a fact that has always been with usa and some of the problems are of our own (whites of European ancestry) making, via colonialism, slavery, the stealing of indigenous people's land, and the expulsion of cheap labor no linger considered convenient or politically acceptable. These same groups will not only target people of color in their quest to "take back our country" but those like yourself or me - degenerates who do not conform to the expected social norms of straight, Protestant, breeder, compliant woman. We've seen this all before. Clearer now?
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Transgender women (i.e. men who claim to literally be women) typically base their so-called female identity on a bunch of retrograde sexist stereotypes about women.
So tell me all about how liberal you are.
So tell me all about how liberal you are.
One must ask NYT:
If Trump voters are so fringe, then why is it that with all the billions from donors, all the help from establishment, wall to wall support from the media, all the overtime work from the President and First Lady, Mrs. Clinton still can't pull a win and has to resort to having celebrity concerts in the last few days?
If Trump voters are so fringe, then why is it that with all the billions from donors, all the help from establishment, wall to wall support from the media, all the overtime work from the President and First Lady, Mrs. Clinton still can't pull a win and has to resort to having celebrity concerts in the last few days?
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Because she's Mrs., not Mr.
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Nonsense. Someone like Warren would've been 70% to 30% by now. It's because Hillary is no democrat, she is a servant of warmongering donors.
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If he 's so great & has millions & millions that believe in him, why doesn't HE get past 44%?
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Mr. Spencer who advocates for those of "European Heritage" feels, "I'm certainly not going to feel like all is lost because (Trump) has sling-shotted (sic) us a long way." This is certainly true. Trump has brought the white supremacists out of the shadows and into his campaign. However, what is also certainly true is that Trump has redefined the GOP for the next generation to come as a place that is not for: Latinos, Blacks, women, those with college educations. So, those marginalized racists found their champion, but their champion has in all likelihood destroyed the GOP.
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Even if Trump loses tomorrow, the precedent has been set. Open xenophobia and racism will get you the Republican nomination. Even more importantly and alarmingly, it is clear that the Republican Party will, with few exceptions, close ranks behind a candidate that campaigns on extremist, white supremacist politics.
So even if Trump loses, the example has been set. If a buffoon like Trump can get one step away from the White House by running on a platform of hate, then another hate-monger might decide to copy his example. This means Trump might just be a harbinger for a slicker, smarter, more subtle, and therefore more dangerous hate-monger in 2020.
So even if Trump loses, the example has been set. If a buffoon like Trump can get one step away from the White House by running on a platform of hate, then another hate-monger might decide to copy his example. This means Trump might just be a harbinger for a slicker, smarter, more subtle, and therefore more dangerous hate-monger in 2020.
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This election only showed how many deeply fearful and hateful white voters are in this country.
People on either coast like to pretend the rest of the country is just like them, just with more land and a few silly ideas about immigration. Turns out, there are still incredibly deep-seeded beliefs in this country based on ignorance, hate and discrimination.
Regardless of what outcome tomorrow, America has already lost a piece of her soul and I fear we may never get it back.
People on either coast like to pretend the rest of the country is just like them, just with more land and a few silly ideas about immigration. Turns out, there are still incredibly deep-seeded beliefs in this country based on ignorance, hate and discrimination.
Regardless of what outcome tomorrow, America has already lost a piece of her soul and I fear we may never get it back.
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What would America done without Trump? He turned what otherwise would have been milquetoast campaign into a rip-roaring showdown. Thank you, Donald Trump, for making the 2016 Presidential campaign the best ever!
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Southern trees really do bear strange fruit.
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All fun and games, is it? You obviously aren't a member of any of the identifiable groups for which Trump has expressed hatred, bigotry, contempt, and/or a willingness to physically violate them.
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"In short, they say they believe that Mr. Trump’s campaign has turned them into a force that the Republican establishment cannot ignore.
“What you can’t say is that we’re just a bunch of marginal loons,” Mr. Spencer said. “The truth is that we have a deeper connection with the Trumpian forces and Trumpian populism than the mainstream conservatives do. They’re going to have to deal with us.”
Well, the Republican establishment has not exactly been ignoring them, they invited them to their tent with a wink and a nod. Mr Spencer is correct, now that Trump has given these groups a voice, a megaphone really, the Republican leadership has a choice to make. That the establishment could not seem to figure out how to deal with Trump, i.e. not endorsing but voting for him anyway, I think we have a pretty good idea how it's going to work out.
“What you can’t say is that we’re just a bunch of marginal loons,” Mr. Spencer said. “The truth is that we have a deeper connection with the Trumpian forces and Trumpian populism than the mainstream conservatives do. They’re going to have to deal with us.”
Well, the Republican establishment has not exactly been ignoring them, they invited them to their tent with a wink and a nod. Mr Spencer is correct, now that Trump has given these groups a voice, a megaphone really, the Republican leadership has a choice to make. That the establishment could not seem to figure out how to deal with Trump, i.e. not endorsing but voting for him anyway, I think we have a pretty good idea how it's going to work out.
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Interestingly and oddly, these groups who have targeted the liberal orientation of the Democratic Party may have inadvertently actually undermined significantly the power and status of mainstream Republicans. Could a third party system emerge? Not likely, but not impossible either.
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This article is a pretty food example of why the NY Times is outside of the mainstream, and losing money. The opening premise of this article is that someone opposed to illegal immigration is somehow associated with an extremist agenda. Our family has been working with immigrants and refugees for over 2 decades, and we are most impressed by these resourceful and industrious families who settle here with a new hope. What is heartbreaking is to see individuals who skirt the process -- fail to follow the law -- which impacts legal immigrants negatively in many ways. It is pretty clear who the extremists are in this country, and which institutions are the enablers
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You missed the point.
The NYT is telling you that white nationalism and its grievance/victimhood mindset is being normalized and dovetailed into mainstream GOP politics by Trump and his buddies- they do not believe anyone but white folks are "resourceful and industrious". Calling Mexicans "rapists and murderers" and blabber about "a globalist Jewish agenda" is not a discussion about reasonable immigration.
The NYT is telling you that white nationalism and its grievance/victimhood mindset is being normalized and dovetailed into mainstream GOP politics by Trump and his buddies- they do not believe anyone but white folks are "resourceful and industrious". Calling Mexicans "rapists and murderers" and blabber about "a globalist Jewish agenda" is not a discussion about reasonable immigration.
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The GOP has been opposed to illegal immigration for quite awhile. That's not news. But Trump is the first nominee to openly bring nationalism and racism into it. When he talks about illigal immigration, he's talking about Mexicans and South Americans. And when he blames crime and unemployment on them, he doesn't always clearly distinguish between legal and illigal hispanic immigrants. His support for a religious test for refugees further supports the white nationalist agenda.
So, no, the premise of this article is not that people who oppose illigal immigration are associated with extremists. Many Republicans oppose illigal immigration while taking a hard line against racists, white nationalists and Islamophobes. Instead, Trump tacitly courts those groups, bringing them into the mainstream.
So, no, the premise of this article is not that people who oppose illigal immigration are associated with extremists. Many Republicans oppose illigal immigration while taking a hard line against racists, white nationalists and Islamophobes. Instead, Trump tacitly courts those groups, bringing them into the mainstream.
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It seems to me the extremists are on both the right and the left.
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False equivalency. Show me the left wing websites that spews hate as the alt-right does.
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Nancy, you really do need to make some kind of argument to support your casually provocative claims.
Getting banned at WaPo doesn't constitute an argument. Sorry.
Getting banned at WaPo doesn't constitute an argument. Sorry.
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The dubious "genius" of Trump is that when he loses, he has already created the delusional (and very dangerous) explanation: the system is rigged! This let's him off the hook not only with his supporters who have bought his message hook line and sinker, but with himself. He cares more about the latter because his ego certainly would not be able to handle "losing" as he is a self-described "winner". Move over Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh!
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After the real estate guy loses the election I'm hoping that mainstream media will not continue to give him free advertising by writing articles about him and his movement. He should be marginalized in this way. Let him and his merry band of bigoted racists search through right wing sites to find information about what the biggest loser is up to. I'll give the NYT several days after the election to adjust but after a week if his name keeps appearing I'll find something better to do with my fifteen bucks a month.
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Mr. Trump was propelled, first to the nomination and then to were he now stands as an aspirant to a Brexit, by his assertion that Mexicans are rapist and criminals. Unfortunately, most people believe that absurd canard. The reality is that immigrants commit far less crimes that native born Americans, fact that can be verified in these sites:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07418825.2012.659200
http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/does_immigration_increas...
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07418825.2012.659200
http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/does_immigration_increas...
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf
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“Trump has shown that our message is healthy, normal and organic — and millions of Americans agree with us,” said Matthew M. Heimbach, a co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network, a white nationalist group that claims to support the interests of working-class whites. It also advocates the separation of the races."
Sorry, Mr. Heimbach and other radical white supremacists and radical religionists, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU and WE will not let your attacks against OUR governments and freedoms continue. WE will speak out against your abhorrent thoughts and behavior every single time we encounter it. WE are the ones who want true democracy, civility, freedom, safety and opportunity for all in America. YOU are the true minority.
Sorry, Mr. Heimbach and other radical white supremacists and radical religionists, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU and WE will not let your attacks against OUR governments and freedoms continue. WE will speak out against your abhorrent thoughts and behavior every single time we encounter it. WE are the ones who want true democracy, civility, freedom, safety and opportunity for all in America. YOU are the true minority.
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Here is a link to an article from today's Guardian (UK) about the Oregon sheriff near the Malhauer Wildlife Refuge taken over earlier this year by supposed "patriots". It shows what a tiny group these government-haters are and how easily their rhetoric and destructive behavior can be stopped if we all pay attention and take action to cut them down to size. Hopefully this sheriff will be rejected in tomorrow's election. Please make it so Good People of Oregon:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/07/oregon-county-sheriff-gl...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/07/oregon-county-sheriff-gl...
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I will be one of the few people who will know by 8pm EST on Tuesday, if Mr. Trump stands a good chance of winning and here is why.
My precinct, Orange Hunt in Fairfax County Virginia is in a Super ZIP, as defined by Charles Murray- highly educated and wealthy. For the last two presidential elections, the precinct went for Mr. Obama. I close the precinct for the GOP, and so, I will know the vote by about 8pm. If Mr. Trump wins this precinct, he is going to have a good night. Why? Because he would have won in an area whose demographics are considered hostile to Mr. Trump.
My precinct, Orange Hunt in Fairfax County Virginia is in a Super ZIP, as defined by Charles Murray- highly educated and wealthy. For the last two presidential elections, the precinct went for Mr. Obama. I close the precinct for the GOP, and so, I will know the vote by about 8pm. If Mr. Trump wins this precinct, he is going to have a good night. Why? Because he would have won in an area whose demographics are considered hostile to Mr. Trump.
The fate of America hangs in the balance.
When our media provides "fair coverage" to individuals who preach hatred,
to the tune of 2 billion dollars worth of free air time, our nation will be in great danger.
When our media provides "fair coverage" to individuals who preach hatred,
to the tune of 2 billion dollars worth of free air time, our nation will be in great danger.
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I recently was looking at some images of paintings on Pinterest and one was cross-referenced with paintings during WWII, and that cross-referenced an image from the Holocaust. Seeing pictures of countless humans who looked like skin-covered bones in huge piles along the streets of Germany that Gen. Eisenhower visited should be required viewing to be reminded of the evil that humans are capable of. To let the likes of Steve Bannon and Trump provide cover for reprehensible theories and make a cozy nest of abstraction for those espousing views that have resulted in such human atrocities is unbelievably ignorant and should be disqualifying for anyone in public office. We are going to have to choose to be smarter than this.
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Do you even think at ALL before you write, Nancy?
Germany is not trying to "wipe it's slate clean."
Germany is trying to be humanitarian.
You need to get a grip.
Germany is not trying to "wipe it's slate clean."
Germany is trying to be humanitarian.
You need to get a grip.
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Virginia Dare, the first white baby born in North America. That means other babies born here before her were, well maybe, not white?
Guess what, white people? There were people living here before you and they were not white. You came here and just started helping yourself to everything, marginalizing the true natives of this land. You were too greedy to share with the rightful inhabitants of this continent.
That is right: Make America hate again.
Guess what, white people? There were people living here before you and they were not white. You came here and just started helping yourself to everything, marginalizing the true natives of this land. You were too greedy to share with the rightful inhabitants of this continent.
That is right: Make America hate again.
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Looks like you've already done that.
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Would you care to explain your comment, Nancy?
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Trump is not really interested in solving problems, just pouring gasoline on a fire to incite people, foment hate and in some cases violence, there is a name for that, ISIS.
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Comparing Trump to ISIS, Bruce, is absurd.
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There was no need to bring in ISIS - your comment was fine until it went over the top.
We are observing the continued polarization of America--my way or no way. We are "tolerant" of others only when they agree with us. This is especially evident in politics, liberal universities, the media and among millennials--most of whom simply practice their own brand of bigotry. What has happened to empathy in this country? Can half the country have a monopoly on truth?
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Ignorance, bigotry, hate speech etc. should never be tolerated.
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Who among us defines ignorance, bigotry, hate speech, etc.?
Sorry, but there are more people that understand immigration helps the country, than the fringe groups realize. There are more people who feel compassion for those refugees that have lost their family, home and safety than the fringe groups realize. There are more people that believe the surest way to grow better is to help others than the fringe groups realize. If they want to stay isolated, in their negative pods of hate, ungratefulness and misery, so be it. The rest of us will survive very nicely and happily move on.
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The casualty in all this will be the reasoned middle. I'm a Bernie man who Would like to see the United States of America a social democracy like that of Sweden and Denmark. But I will gladly vote for Clinton, as she is the only logical choice. However, with Bernie et al comes some overbearing Political Correctness.
Yet that remains better than the right. I won't call the right the so-called alt right. It's all the right, and they are not only mostly wrong, but a grave danger to the US.
If eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty, the right must be continually scolded, debated, have its lies exposed and called lies without false equivalence, and exposed for the racist, human haters that they are. And if they want violence, they will get what's coming.
Yet that remains better than the right. I won't call the right the so-called alt right. It's all the right, and they are not only mostly wrong, but a grave danger to the US.
If eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty, the right must be continually scolded, debated, have its lies exposed and called lies without false equivalence, and exposed for the racist, human haters that they are. And if they want violence, they will get what's coming.
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With supporters like Anglin, who needs opponents? Here's what the Daily Stormer said today about a US senator.
"Typical Jew. Always thinking some evil goyim is going to turn him into a lampshade."
It goes downhill from there. Nazi stuff, indeed.
"Typical Jew. Always thinking some evil goyim is going to turn him into a lampshade."
It goes downhill from there. Nazi stuff, indeed.
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I agree with the premise of this article, that Trump has already deeply damaged our country by normalizing dysfunction. Even so, the bottom would fall out of these groups if the people who support them were given more functional options.
I lived in a remote area of Utah for a year. It was beautiful and my neighbors were generous. They brought me dinner the night I arrived, even though they didn't know me. I later found out they were white supremacists. One of them shared with me how he had buried a machine gun up at a secret location in the high desert...just in case.
Their beliefs seemed sad, desperate, scared, confused but not evil. These neighbors were very uneducated and had little contact with the world outside their immediate community. Their racism was born out of anxiety, paranoia, and lack of contact. I'm not defending their racism - I'm offended by racism. Somehow, though, yelling at these neighbors seemed like the wrong response. They needed other options for belonging.
I lived in a remote area of Utah for a year. It was beautiful and my neighbors were generous. They brought me dinner the night I arrived, even though they didn't know me. I later found out they were white supremacists. One of them shared with me how he had buried a machine gun up at a secret location in the high desert...just in case.
Their beliefs seemed sad, desperate, scared, confused but not evil. These neighbors were very uneducated and had little contact with the world outside their immediate community. Their racism was born out of anxiety, paranoia, and lack of contact. I'm not defending their racism - I'm offended by racism. Somehow, though, yelling at these neighbors seemed like the wrong response. They needed other options for belonging.
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They need, however much they may not want, an education. The country needs them to be educated.
But the problem remains that K-12 American education has failed them for a complex of reasons not germane to this article, but obviously related. The rise of Trump is part and parcel of this failure.
But the problem remains that K-12 American education has failed them for a complex of reasons not germane to this article, but obviously related. The rise of Trump is part and parcel of this failure.
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The Mormons in Utah don't like Trumph very much, only 19% voted for him in the Utah Republican primary but they don't appreciate Clinton either so a third party candidate is doing well there.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/utah-mormons-republicans-d...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/utah-mormons-republicans-d...
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In other words, not so terribly different from tribal people in the wilds of Afghanistan who haven't had much contact outside their villages and believe whatever their tribal elders are telling them.
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If my comment's being blocked because it was a bit too venomous, I'd like to point out that no amount of vitriol is too much when speaking about groups like the KKK. They are so opposed to what America is all about, so utterly lacking in morals, and their ideology is so unjustifiable, that calling them things like 'maggots' should be totally acceptable. I don't think there's any reason to promote false equivalence, these people are hideous in every way, and they must be stopped from gaining power, by any means necessary.
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I'm ok with ya Dan!
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Thanks Victoria :) Honestly I'm hoping that the KKK and such get so incensed by Trump's loss that they take up arms against our nation, and get mowed down by the superior firepower of our armed forces. Best for everyone if this sort of extremist was removed from the gene pool.
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Can we sue Trump?
1. If someone was hurt by riot caused by Trump supporters because Trump incited his supporters that the election was "rigged".
2. If someone was hurt because Trump encouraged violence
1. If someone was hurt by riot caused by Trump supporters because Trump incited his supporters that the election was "rigged".
2. If someone was hurt because Trump encouraged violence
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This isn't an aberration. It is a natural outgrowth of the GOP strategy, starting with Nixon's "Southern strategy," Reagan's "states' rights" speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the obstructionist Gingrich Congress in the 90s, right down to birtherism these past eight years. Throw in a quarter century of right wing radio rants and cyber-crybabying from Limbaugh to Alex Jones, and it's not hard to see how the ground has been prepared for Trump. The idea that the GOP elite is significantly different from thse groups is implausible. Unless they never listened to those people who got rich riling up the GOP base, that is.
And we need to stop calling these people conservative. This is pure nihilism.
And we need to stop calling these people conservative. This is pure nihilism.
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Thus the Republican party's future dilemma: how do you "reach out" to non-whites and women when the loyalty of your base depends upon dog whistle racism and misogyny dressed up as concern for 'traditional' values coupled with a nostalgia for a past that never existed except in its explicit privileging of white males?
Trump has kicked over these rocks and what's come crawling out into the light is not going to scuttle back into the dark. Look to the future employment of Roger Stone, Kelly Anne Conway and the Breitbart lumpengentsia to see where all this is going.
Trump has kicked over these rocks and what's come crawling out into the light is not going to scuttle back into the dark. Look to the future employment of Roger Stone, Kelly Anne Conway and the Breitbart lumpengentsia to see where all this is going.
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Yep. It was funny when Trump was first trying to get the nomination. "You reap what you sow, Republicans. That dog's come home to your dog whistle." I'm not laughing now. It's a known fact that Nixon would be too far left for the Democrats now, and Holy Reagan, way, way too far left for the Republicans. And that all happened before Trump kicked that rock over and discovered the crazy constituency. I can't imagine what this country will look like eight years from now, regardless of who wins. My only hope is that the Left has also finally had a fire lit under it.
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Extremism on either side - trump or Sanders - will never work in this country. 2016 was its best shot and come tomorrow it will ultimately fail. It's a losing strategy and won't be repeated.
A parting shot to trumpkins...take advantage of Hillary's free college program and go back to school because your lack of education, especially in the areas of history, economics and science, is simply stunning.
A parting shot to trumpkins...take advantage of Hillary's free college program and go back to school because your lack of education, especially in the areas of history, economics and science, is simply stunning.
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Sanders is in no way comparable to Trump. The US doesn't have very many left equivalents to Trump, but maybe Leon Czolgosz, the anarchist assassin of President McKinley, would serve as an example. By contrast, Bernie Sanders has a strong respect for the instututions of American democracy, and very mild socialist ideas that would be considered middle of the road in Europe. (I know, don't feed the trolls, but I couldn't just let that stand.)
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Bernie Sanders is not an extremist, please stop with the false equivalency. The only extremists to be identified in our society right now are the ones who want to arm themselves against law enforcement with military style weapons, occupy federal lands as they please, refuse to pay taxes, want to build a wall around our country and stop trade and immigration, want to control women's bodies, and otherwise make America into an all white Christian nation. Most of these people are voting for Trump.
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Sanders is not extreme, unless you consider Scandinavia extreme...
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“What you can’t say is that we’re just a bunch of marginal loons,” Mr. Spencer said.
Maybe, maybe not... We'll see about the marginal bit, but we can still say that you're a bunch of loons.
Maybe, maybe not... We'll see about the marginal bit, but we can still say that you're a bunch of loons.
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I've been around long enough to notice the ratchet effect that seems to apply to politics. Curiously, it seems only to apply in one direction--toward the right. The shallow, muddled headed individuals who make up our main stream media seem to think that political moderation lies halfway between Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama. In other words, Obama is far left. Thus, when he proposes a common sense solution to a real problem, Obamacare say, its is by definition to the these folks, radicalism. What this country could use is a media as intelligent and reasonable as that half of the electorate which is going to save us from real radicalism tomorrow.
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One thing we learned about Donald Trump these past 17 months or so is that he's really both apolitical and lazy from an intellectual standpoint. His attention span is extremely brief so he wouldn't have patience for much more than the most perfunctory organizational details.
If Trump decided to launch a television news outlet along the lines of Fox News, staffed with a lineup of harder-edged commentators in Rush Limbaugh's image, he may succeed in reaping a white nationalist harvest. It does remain to be seen who the sponsors of such programming would be. Certainly, one would surmise, they wouldn't be mainstream, the sellers of food and beverages and clothing and automobiles and leisure travel, industries that survive on tremendous and wide audiences, appealing to diverse groups regardless of partisan politics or divisive ideology. For a national advertiser to risk alienating large and rich marketing potential to appeal to narrow racism and nationalist ideology would be commercially foolish and suicidal.
Trump's greatest gift to the American electorate (if one can grudgingly concede the point) is that he's unmasked the domestic terrorist threat as real, no longer the fantasies of those on either the left or the center. But this lazy old man is more likely to pass the baton to others younger and more zealous. That requires money that the alt-Right doesn't have but may acquire if Citizens United isn't overturned.
If Trump decided to launch a television news outlet along the lines of Fox News, staffed with a lineup of harder-edged commentators in Rush Limbaugh's image, he may succeed in reaping a white nationalist harvest. It does remain to be seen who the sponsors of such programming would be. Certainly, one would surmise, they wouldn't be mainstream, the sellers of food and beverages and clothing and automobiles and leisure travel, industries that survive on tremendous and wide audiences, appealing to diverse groups regardless of partisan politics or divisive ideology. For a national advertiser to risk alienating large and rich marketing potential to appeal to narrow racism and nationalist ideology would be commercially foolish and suicidal.
Trump's greatest gift to the American electorate (if one can grudgingly concede the point) is that he's unmasked the domestic terrorist threat as real, no longer the fantasies of those on either the left or the center. But this lazy old man is more likely to pass the baton to others younger and more zealous. That requires money that the alt-Right doesn't have but may acquire if Citizens United isn't overturned.
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There is only one way to neutralize these deplorables, pay attention to their grievances - economically! Their warped social leanings are hateful, but if they get jobs they'll shut up, or at least not have the fuel to ignite their racism. The Clinton presidency must not punish them. What we did to the Germans after WWI should be a lesson. We punished them for WWI and look what happened?
The only way to disarm them is to give them jobs and hope that soon, they will die out as we become more diversified and the young see the light.
The only way to disarm them is to give them jobs and hope that soon, they will die out as we become more diversified and the young see the light.
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I'm all for doing what we can to provide gainful employment for people but I have to wonder what employer would want to hire people who are not only ignorant but ill mannered and even vicious. I wouldn't want to work along side any of these jerks and an employer would have to worry about law suits because of these people.
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DR, I didn't think of that. Are you saying we have a carbuncle of deplorables and we have to endure it? Yikes!
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"if they get jobs they'll shut up"....
I don't understand this. Have you never worked next to any racists?
(Maybe you've only worked next to the two-faced kind who are just smart enough not to express racist ideas in front of you, without considering for one second why you might have good reason to object to them...)
I don't understand this. Have you never worked next to any racists?
(Maybe you've only worked next to the two-faced kind who are just smart enough not to express racist ideas in front of you, without considering for one second why you might have good reason to object to them...)
Intended consequences? Divide and conquer?
But, then again, this has been Republican Party policy for 52 years since Goldwater v Civil Rights Act and his presidential campaign that emphasized states' rights. See also Reagan's first presidential campaign speech at Philadelphia, MS,"I believe in states' rights."
But, then again, this has been Republican Party policy for 52 years since Goldwater v Civil Rights Act and his presidential campaign that emphasized states' rights. See also Reagan's first presidential campaign speech at Philadelphia, MS,"I believe in states' rights."
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“What you can’t say is that we’re just a bunch of marginal loons,” Mr. Spencer said. “The truth is that we have a deeper connection with the Trumpian forces and Trumpian populism than the mainstream conservatives do. They’re going to have to deal with us.”
You may no longer be marginalized, but you are still "loons". I would use much stronger language but I want this post to be published.
You may no longer be marginalized, but you are still "loons". I would use much stronger language but I want this post to be published.
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Reading about these people makes the spit collect in my mouth.
The roots of Trump's selfishness were planted in the (pre-crash) 1980s, when selfishness, under other names, became fashionable. When I was a kid, heroes were selfless pioneers serving the public good. Then for a while the heroes were entrepreneurs "doing well by doing good." Finally the "doing good" part disappeared altogether.
Trump will never have any regrets about launching a racist movement he doesn't really even support. What I really wonder about is how someone like John McCain, who at one time was the paradigmatic example of honor in political life, can look at himself in the mirror.
Trump will never have any regrets about launching a racist movement he doesn't really even support. What I really wonder about is how someone like John McCain, who at one time was the paradigmatic example of honor in political life, can look at himself in the mirror.
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Agreed, but I think Trump does support the racist movement. His father was photographed in a KKK white hood. He and his father were sued by NYC for intentionally discriminating against AA renters. Donald jr. routinely retweets white supremacist memes, Pepe the Frog, skittles etc... Clearly the apples do not fall far from the tree.
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The only "good" thing from this might be that now that the bandage has been ripped off, perhaps the festering resentments and bigotry are now out in the open and can be addressed. Sunshine can be the best disinfectant.
I think many people were totally shocked at the numbers who share the sentiments of DJT. That they feel emboldened and validated is not a good thing, and actually scary to me, but now that it is overt perhaps it can be addressed in a positive way.
I think many people were totally shocked at the numbers who share the sentiments of DJT. That they feel emboldened and validated is not a good thing, and actually scary to me, but now that it is overt perhaps it can be addressed in a positive way.
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The mainstreaming of extremist, white nationalist views may prove to be the most disturbing legacy of what has been an ugly campaign season in the USA. Our country has been sleeping on the rising tide of hate in all of its current forms--xenophobia, misogyny, racism, anti-Semitism, etc. But the Trump campaign has emboldened the alt-right and militia groups, who seem eager to capitalize on the measure of social acceptance they have received. The degrees to which their hateful ideologies infect political groups like the GOP, the NRA, and other bastions of conservatism remains to be seen. But it is clear that we cannot ignore this homegrown American extremism any more.
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I find it ironic that the people in this article admire Trump for being honest and telling it like it is. Yet Trump's followers took offense to Hillary's "basket of deplorables" statement. Their comments throughout this article just prove that "a basket of deplorables" was the most honest thing said during this entire election cycle!
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"Whether the subject is immigration, military intervention, the news media or federal government corruption — and even the entire democratic process — their views, long thought to be well outside the political mainstream, have been given a voice inside it."
You may be surprised to find out that the above mentioned issues are very much mainstream and not outside of it.
American voters do not want open borders or immigration policies that bring in millions of people culturally alien to American values or social makeup.
American voters do not want their hard earned tax dollars wasted in futile military interventions and regime change around the world sought by neocons/neolibs. We want our money spent on OUR needs.
American voters do believe that our politicians are corrupt, and our media does not serve OUR needs but peddles a worldview that benefits their own agenda.
We demand an end to all the above and we will vote for people who support our agenda, DESPITE their other undesirable traits.
You may be surprised to find out that the above mentioned issues are very much mainstream and not outside of it.
American voters do not want open borders or immigration policies that bring in millions of people culturally alien to American values or social makeup.
American voters do not want their hard earned tax dollars wasted in futile military interventions and regime change around the world sought by neocons/neolibs. We want our money spent on OUR needs.
American voters do believe that our politicians are corrupt, and our media does not serve OUR needs but peddles a worldview that benefits their own agenda.
We demand an end to all the above and we will vote for people who support our agenda, DESPITE their other undesirable traits.
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Nice try but Trump and the politicians who support him are only out for themselves. These people will never care about you or any other American.
As for values, bigotry, ignorance and incivility aren't values, don't pretend that they are.
As for values, bigotry, ignorance and incivility aren't values, don't pretend that they are.
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Just don't presume to speak for all voters.
Fear will not win the day tomorrow, so find a better candidate. One you don't have to support despite his/her flaws.
Fear will not win the day tomorrow, so find a better candidate. One you don't have to support despite his/her flaws.
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Since no mainstream political candidate is proposing open borders for immigrants, the idea that such is at stake is very much part of the xenophobic paranoia of the alt-right
" culturally alien to American values or social makeup. "
By which you mean they are likely darker than you and have a different religion.
"DESPITE their other undesirable traits."
A vote that is informed by such xenophobia is a support for Trump BECAUSE of those undesirable traits, not DESPITE them.
" culturally alien to American values or social makeup. "
By which you mean they are likely darker than you and have a different religion.
"DESPITE their other undesirable traits."
A vote that is informed by such xenophobia is a support for Trump BECAUSE of those undesirable traits, not DESPITE them.
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To call wanting jobs for American citizens --
"xenophobia, racism, homophobia, and misogyny" --
is an ignorant response to a complicated
issue and totally intolerant in the guise of tolerance.
"xenophobia, racism, homophobia, and misogyny" --
is an ignorant response to a complicated
issue and totally intolerant in the guise of tolerance.
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Yet, most of the Trump supporters are employed, middle class citizens, as well as retirees on Social Security and Medicare. They already have jobs or retired from the workforce.
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"Wanting jobs for Americans" is not the same as directing anger and hate at groups who have no control over hiring but who are different in some way.
That is bigotry and scapegoating. I'll believe otherwise when Trump followers start vilifying "illegal employers" instead of desperate migrants. I'll believe it's just about jobs when I hear Trumpists call out white male tycoons like Trump who will do anything to increase profits -- offshore, outsource, hire non-citizens for cheap, bust unions, ignore worker safety, rob pension funds, eliminate benefits, and dodge taxes. But, no, in the Trumpist mind, the problem is always a bunch of poor brown people, never the rich whote guys in charge. Never people who look like them.
That is bigotry and scapegoating. I'll believe otherwise when Trump followers start vilifying "illegal employers" instead of desperate migrants. I'll believe it's just about jobs when I hear Trumpists call out white male tycoons like Trump who will do anything to increase profits -- offshore, outsource, hire non-citizens for cheap, bust unions, ignore worker safety, rob pension funds, eliminate benefits, and dodge taxes. But, no, in the Trumpist mind, the problem is always a bunch of poor brown people, never the rich whote guys in charge. Never people who look like them.
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If Mr. Trump hadn't used these techniques as a tool to gain support, his message might have been heard, and you wouldn't feel the need to make your comment. But he did not, he chose the age-old ploy of divide and conquer...you got problems....it's "their fault", all wrapped in vitriole/commentary, 70% plus of which was lies. Not a very satisfying or intelligent or sophisticated or helpful approach to what is, indeed, a complicated issue. And by the way, Ms. Clinton and the Democrats do want jobs for American citizens. So did Pres. Obama, and he managed to create jobs despite most of his efforts being blocked by Republicans. (IMO, your comment is disingenuous vis-a-vis this article. The article is about extremism/white nationalism and supremacy...and not about those Americans who want/need jobs and have been led astray by a self-serving carnival barker offering nothing but more tax cuts for the rich.)
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Perhaps Trump has played the role of Pied Piper by drawing the rats out of their nests for all to see. These people are always with us, a seeming change in climate has brought them out into the open.
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Wasn't Virginia Dare THE DAUGHTER OF IMMIGRANTS? These folks have a real "Through The Looking Glass" view of the world. Everyone in this country is an immigrant in one way or another, even Native Americans, whose ancestors crossed a land bridge from Asia thousands of years ago.
All Americans are immigrants. Look it up.
All Americans are immigrants. Look it up.
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When the far-right wins, decency loses. We may never remove racist, reactionary ideology but we can relegate it to the fringes. That means voting against people like David Duke, who would normalize hatred, and all those 'establishment' figures who indulge it. That also means speaking out against the prejudices we confront in our own lives.
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Quit using the sanitary, hip term, "alt-right" which was the invention of a white nationalist leader. Breitbart, a fake news outlet, headed up by Steve Bannon who is Trump's campaign manager has become a roost for all kinds of haters.
Trump's campaign has the endorsement of the KKK and The American Nazi Party - better go back and look at some of the images of the atrocities that these people historically have brought in the cultures where they are tolerated.
Trump's campaign has the endorsement of the KKK and The American Nazi Party - better go back and look at some of the images of the atrocities that these people historically have brought in the cultures where they are tolerated.
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Yes, let's call the "alt-right" what it really is - American Nazism.
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Trump has definitely pulled the alt right, white nationalist and neo nazi groups out of the shadows and into the "acceptable" Republican political circle. The big losers here are the rational/moderate Republicans who are now saddled with this ugly element. I hope they are able to reconstruct their party into the true conservative voice we need to balance good policy on a go forward basis. If that happens we will all be better off.
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I could foresee two parties emerging. The traditional Republican party and an ultra right party.The traditional Republicans have to eject the people with the extremist views. I don't know if they have the courage to take one step back before taking two steps forward.
Of course. But they've been losers all their lives. Finally they think their ignorance, bigotry, and racism have made them winners.
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Perfect. Well said.
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This election cycle has only emboldened people to become more loud and divisive than ever. It has taught people that governing on pure emotions and stereotypes supersedes governing based on thought and logic.
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In addition members of the democrat party have been infirmed that verification of what party leadership says would benefit them and their country.
This is exactly what happened in Germany in the early 19 hundreds.
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How? How can extremism of the Trumpian variety -- and its concommitant xenophobia, racism, homophobia, and misogyny -- result in anyone feeling good? There have been so many theories that have endeavored to explain this phenomenon of Trump -- a desire for authoritarianism, the notion that conservatives tend to hate (or, at least, resent) people for things those individuals have no control over (race, sexuality) and Trump has shamelessly tapped into that. But I'm baffled by the idea that these thought processes have been "legitimated" -- thought processes which, mind you, run counter to e pluribus unum and what it means to be American ("give us your ...") -- and there is no self-reflexivity (i.e. shame) whatsoever. We can attribute it to two things: primary socialization and a school system that has been politicized.
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Yes, groups and individuals with certifiably crazy agendas, with their own fact-making machines, and with a glee to impinge and destroy the mainstream have now been stirred, energized, and given a megaphone now that they have accomplished full symbiosis with tae no-holds-barred total-war splinter of the Republican Party and their con men and facilitators at the top (from Trump to Preibus to McConell et al).
But the greatest damage has been incurred in ideological and societal terms. Now it is fine, even approved in certain quarters, to abuse women, to terrorize immigrants, to discriminate minorities, to laugh at the disabled, to make many unwanted, to express disdain of both Law and Civility, to use ignorance versus logic, to reject morality and use might. Yes, Trump, his followers, and his enablers have made it great to hate in America.
But the greatest damage has been incurred in ideological and societal terms. Now it is fine, even approved in certain quarters, to abuse women, to terrorize immigrants, to discriminate minorities, to laugh at the disabled, to make many unwanted, to express disdain of both Law and Civility, to use ignorance versus logic, to reject morality and use might. Yes, Trump, his followers, and his enablers have made it great to hate in America.
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It depends on what you call the political mainstream. Does the mainstream include people who are not college graduates, or who do not live on the coasts? Does the mainstream include men?
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“Trump has shown that our message is healthy, normal and organic — and millions of Americans agree with us,” said Matthew M. Heimbach, a co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network, a white nationalist group that claims to support the interests of working-class whites and advocates the separation of the races.
Andrew Anglin, founder of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer:
“I basically agree with everything Donald Trump advocates,” Mr. Anglin wrote in an email. He went on to say Mr. Trump has made it “socially acceptable” to talk about thing that were once off limits, such as “the globalist Jewish agenda.”
America's lunatic fringe will always need to bark at the moon.
It's up to the rest of us decent, civil human beings to ensure that these basket of deplorables supporting Donald Trump never get anywhere close to power and vote down their Trumpian champion bigot.
Vote for civilization.
I'm With Her tomorrow.
Andrew Anglin, founder of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer:
“I basically agree with everything Donald Trump advocates,” Mr. Anglin wrote in an email. He went on to say Mr. Trump has made it “socially acceptable” to talk about thing that were once off limits, such as “the globalist Jewish agenda.”
America's lunatic fringe will always need to bark at the moon.
It's up to the rest of us decent, civil human beings to ensure that these basket of deplorables supporting Donald Trump never get anywhere close to power and vote down their Trumpian champion bigot.
Vote for civilization.
I'm With Her tomorrow.
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"The pure products of America go crazy."—William Carlos Williams.
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I'm with Her tomorrow as well. I caution you that you should check out his closing 2 minute commercial, it is powerful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shqblcQW2RI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shqblcQW2RI
mr. mxyzptlk,
But what is powerful about it? It contains no content really. Just the theme of corruption, this has been taken from you, that's been taken from you, etc. There's no reality (in the ad). It feels like 1933. I know that people feel disenfranchised, and that's legitimate. What's not legitimate is playing on people's fears and always identifying what's wrong as caused by some "other," whether that be immigrants, the "elites," "that nasty woman."
Even within the crude context of political campaigns, that type of talk has given free reign to misogyny, racism, and violent speculation. And for what? What actual platform of policies is being advanced here? More than likely one that is totally deregulatory, anti-science, anti-women's rights, anti-diversity. Who will that help? Most likely, large businesses, directly through tax breaks and other monetary policies, and indirectly by providing an increasingly hemmed in electorate. Who will it hurt? The very people who he swears to help.
This is not about "making America great, again." This is about making democracy heel underfoot of an authoritarian that promises a a certain assuaging of fear and resentment, but can only lead to darkness.
But what is powerful about it? It contains no content really. Just the theme of corruption, this has been taken from you, that's been taken from you, etc. There's no reality (in the ad). It feels like 1933. I know that people feel disenfranchised, and that's legitimate. What's not legitimate is playing on people's fears and always identifying what's wrong as caused by some "other," whether that be immigrants, the "elites," "that nasty woman."
Even within the crude context of political campaigns, that type of talk has given free reign to misogyny, racism, and violent speculation. And for what? What actual platform of policies is being advanced here? More than likely one that is totally deregulatory, anti-science, anti-women's rights, anti-diversity. Who will that help? Most likely, large businesses, directly through tax breaks and other monetary policies, and indirectly by providing an increasingly hemmed in electorate. Who will it hurt? The very people who he swears to help.
This is not about "making America great, again." This is about making democracy heel underfoot of an authoritarian that promises a a certain assuaging of fear and resentment, but can only lead to darkness.
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Trump will be covered in future American history books in the same chapter as George Wallace, Eugene McCarthy and Herbert Hoover.
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I don't see the correlation. Eugene McCarthy and George Wallace? H.H.?
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Surely you mean Joseph McCarthy, not Eugene.
"Google twice, comment once."
"Google twice, comment once."
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Joe McCarthy; not Eugene.
Eugene McCarthy was a decent and caring and honorable public servant and human being. The opposite of Trump, Wallace, and Hoover.
Eugene McCarthy was a decent and caring and honorable public servant and human being. The opposite of Trump, Wallace, and Hoover.
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