How much of an ego boost does one need or crave to gain the status of alpha male.The law of diminishing returns was reached long ago.A mindset without a sense of moderation is a dangerous component to ones life.
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As a runner for many years, and who ran on a University team for cross-country and track, I trained for marathons but in the end only ran one. Why? Because I didn't feel the training and racing was contributing to my strength and health in any way, and in fact I was starting to get injuries. I now run races up to and including the half-marathon and can keep up a regular training regimen all year without injury. I have no problem with people wanting to test their limits - as humans, it's one of the main reasons we engage in any sport - but these ultra-marathons and Anvil Ironmans are really pushing the envelope, and I'd recommend caution for anyone thinking of doing one.
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"Turner, who hoped to complete 60 ultratriathlons every six days for his 60th birthday, was unable to finish five in five days."
Surely that must be a typo. Maybe it's six ultratriathlons ever 60 days..?
Surely that must be a typo. Maybe it's six ultratriathlons ever 60 days..?
After reading some comments; a quick note from a participant;
I love seeing the variety in these comments, and fair enough, they are all valid opinions. Call us a bunch of idiots swimming, riding and running in circles for no good reason, or middle-aged ego-trippers, or call us an inspiration and the best thing after Guinness and Belgian Chocolate, it's all good. After a number of years in the ultra community I have learned there are as many truths as there are individuals, and I have learned to respect them all.
Just (2) things I'd like to clarify;
- Suffering is definitely part of the experience, but only part, and it comes in many forms btw. Rest assured that for every picture with pain there are 100 with smiles, and many more life stories that warm the heart.
- Ultra events have definitely humbled me over time, and taught me so much about my own body, mind, mother nature, and other sentient beings that I sincerely believe to have become a better person than that grumpy guy on the couch, and IMHO it brought some good to others around me as well. The day that someone walks up to you with his life changing story from sick, obese and depressed to something much happier, and shares that it all started after he saw you do something crazy many years ago, it makes you feel a lot more BADASS than any bumper sticker or fundraiser. And yes; I am peacock-proud about that :)
Thank You NYT for spending an entire week at our small time niche event!
Taz - aka "The First loser"
I love seeing the variety in these comments, and fair enough, they are all valid opinions. Call us a bunch of idiots swimming, riding and running in circles for no good reason, or middle-aged ego-trippers, or call us an inspiration and the best thing after Guinness and Belgian Chocolate, it's all good. After a number of years in the ultra community I have learned there are as many truths as there are individuals, and I have learned to respect them all.
Just (2) things I'd like to clarify;
- Suffering is definitely part of the experience, but only part, and it comes in many forms btw. Rest assured that for every picture with pain there are 100 with smiles, and many more life stories that warm the heart.
- Ultra events have definitely humbled me over time, and taught me so much about my own body, mind, mother nature, and other sentient beings that I sincerely believe to have become a better person than that grumpy guy on the couch, and IMHO it brought some good to others around me as well. The day that someone walks up to you with his life changing story from sick, obese and depressed to something much happier, and shares that it all started after he saw you do something crazy many years ago, it makes you feel a lot more BADASS than any bumper sticker or fundraiser. And yes; I am peacock-proud about that :)
Thank You NYT for spending an entire week at our small time niche event!
Taz - aka "The First loser"
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Gosh, the comments do run the gamut and there's truth to all of them. Are they committed athletes? Sure. Is there a lot of collateral in the personal life? Sure. Ultimately, this sort of "competition" is a luxury. Ultimately, so few people do this event, you can brand yourself a hero for showing up. Of course, it's a false comparison to say, "if you want to suffer, try a real struggle like a death march as a POW," etc. But it's an easy equivalency to jump to. If you run in these circles long enough, you will start to see the deeply selfish nature of these "sports." Every morsel of food is scrutinized. Every day planned around a work out. Spouses who are still marginally supportive refer to themselves as "widow/ers." Spouses who are tired of being marginalized file for divorce. That's not to say it is wrong to pursue these goals, but the suffering is certainly a choice.
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Yup it's crazy. I know of a physical therapist who ran from Santa Monica to Sherman Oaks, trained between patients and cycled home to swim. Then did the reverse the next day. I've heard of others whose families were so stressed out by the madness that they confronted and stopped any future triathlons, Ironman in their case. Then their are "junk yard dogs" or "race track dogs" who live to train and train to live. Zen masters sort of in their way. No families, spartan liner hard lives. I can't judge though it's crazy to me. I think marathoners are nuts too. All of these extreme events traumatize the body, they are against nature in every way. Depletes minerals and vitamins beyond safe levels and stresses the skeleton and organs close to or into damage. You won't live a day longer and are likely to live damaged or die early. Yet there is a hauntingly obsessive longing to push on that I admire sometimes. Then I regain my senses and know it's crazy. I train as much as I can honestly but life's boundaries keep me on track
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I left a critical comment but it's easy to be a critic just sitting here and passing judgement on something I don't understand.
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Yup, I left some critical comments too, and then regretted it (just as I did with my critical comments to the wingsuit people). What's it to me what they do? I'm going to try to keep my opinions to myself on these hobbies.
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Over indulgence by another name.
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Well, I suppose everyone needs a hobby.
OK, I am not going to complain about the so many negative comments, but reading all the suggestions that these guys should volunteer instead is kind of preposterous.
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I have read the article and quite a few of the comments and am amazed at the amount of vitriol these guys are getting. In essence the comment seems to be that they are a bunch of narcissists. To me not anymore than Sir Edmund Hillary, or Stapleton or a slew of others who tested limits. They tested the limits 'because they were there' to paraphrase Edmund Hillary. To hold it to a yardstick by which we should first eliminate all other forced hardships, such as the plight of refugees, seems moralistic silliness. Those critics might as well demand to stop playing tennis, pokemon or any other activity that they enjoy. As an only moderately successful mountain-biker who still enjoys trying to test his strength and endurance on one hill or another I can completely understand where they are coming from, and I salute them, although I am not even remotely in their league.
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Thank you.
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As part of the race I feel the article was a bit superficial. Myself and Kathy are pictured at the end crossing the line together. The event is about pushing the limits much like any other sport and many times what you get out is more than a shirt or prize. Myself and Kathy really laughed a lot at the end relishing the moments of the race so these pictures are unfortunately not fitting the narrative. My end thoughts are these .... In ultra sports, of any sort, suffering and pain are always going to be a part and sometimes this leads to some kind of undefined clarity or peace after it is completed. This article certainly picked up on the suffering however did not delve into the deeper impact of this. Such as the heightened awareness of the moonlight in the forest, bad jokes are funnier, M & M's are amazing, the knowing nod from the other racers that we all in this together keeps you going, and crossing the finish line again as a team gets you choked up again. We suffered some but we also had a lot of fun and smiled a lot too.
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Calling this self inflicted test of endurance "suffering" amid headlines about global atrocities and human rights concerns was off putting and time deaf. I have no objection to the subject matter, but a little perspective maybe in the headline?
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I hate to be a downer, because what these people do is incredible, but I can't help but wonder if they seek "suffering" because there is none in their daily life? Just an observation. I know I wouldn't seek out hardships, because I experience them daily.
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Middle-aged, white-guy syndrome (just look at the pictures)
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This raises questions about the best way to nourish the human soul.
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David Jepson, we are very proud of you for doing your best and winning your division. This is a very tough thing for you to do. Keep your head up and keep racing. Congrats to all of the people who run these.
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I can't understand why people would do this to themselves unless there was a big monetary reward.
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There is a big reward. The ability to say"I did it"
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Exactly the opposite. We do it for no reward. Trust me when I say this article and pictures were handpicked to show only a very small part of our race. Most of us do not want the publicity nor the the type of people this article may bring. We are a small group of people that love what we do for numerous reasons. We gather together and celebrate each others accomplishments like you would at a family picnic or reunion of best friends (the kind of family you love at least).
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When I read the headline my first thought was that it referred - like so many others - to the election.
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While I suppose it's easy to say that they should dedicate their significant efforts to, say, a charity, you could also say that the money and effort that went into the Apollo moon shot should have been spent on food for the poor. It is in our nature to push beyond the frontiers of our knowledge and achievements. The same drive that motivates these extraordinary athletes to do things that strike mere mortals as insane or pointless also motivates scientists to relentlessly pursue answers to questions that may strike mere mortals as obscure. It all adds up to the totality of human achievement, and that, hopefully, will never be enough.
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to those that are puzzled why someone volunteers to these extremes : most underestimate their capabilitities. "Better safe, than sorry" is embraced by many that have been bitten once or twice.
Empathy and sense of community, we crave this. Do you experience this at work or your daily commute? Try a day hike, ride a bike, ski. How long does it take for you to let go and be absorbed by a world that is much bigger than the stuff that takes up space in your head daily.
One's passion, is an outsider ' s insanity. I'll applaud those that tried, rather than than the multitude that though it was "better to be safe than sorry".
Empathy and sense of community, we crave this. Do you experience this at work or your daily commute? Try a day hike, ride a bike, ski. How long does it take for you to let go and be absorbed by a world that is much bigger than the stuff that takes up space in your head daily.
One's passion, is an outsider ' s insanity. I'll applaud those that tried, rather than than the multitude that though it was "better to be safe than sorry".
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Forrest Gump syndrome?
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Having raced and seen the journalist at our event , I left a rebuttal on Mr. Archibald's Facebook page.
Shortened version: It is shortsighted to call ultra triathletes pain enthusiasts. Pain is endured as part of the process of finding triumph in personal challenge. The challenge is what drives ultra athletes. You learn a lot about yourself in the process and for many participating there is a process of channeling that spirit of challenge back into doing good things and inspiring others in the community.
Please go to Randall Archibald's Facebook page if you'd like to read the longer version.
Shortened version: It is shortsighted to call ultra triathletes pain enthusiasts. Pain is endured as part of the process of finding triumph in personal challenge. The challenge is what drives ultra athletes. You learn a lot about yourself in the process and for many participating there is a process of channeling that spirit of challenge back into doing good things and inspiring others in the community.
Please go to Randall Archibald's Facebook page if you'd like to read the longer version.
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I'm sorry, but I think this is glamorized masochism. Such disregard for the body is a kind of mental illness, not something to be praised or lauded. We live in a society that things "no pain, no gain" but what is the point of that especially when taken to this level? This is just as distorted, although totally different, than the people who weight 600 pounds -- just as an extreme way to live and not, repeat NOT admirable.
If these folks need a reason to be alive, let them help the poor, the sick, the frail and elderly. Let them work for peace, for justice in all forms. Let them find a reason to live that isn't about pushing themselves and their bodies because they can.
NY Times, please no more articles on this topic. Don't encourage them or anyone else who wants to emulate them.
If these folks need a reason to be alive, let them help the poor, the sick, the frail and elderly. Let them work for peace, for justice in all forms. Let them find a reason to live that isn't about pushing themselves and their bodies because they can.
NY Times, please no more articles on this topic. Don't encourage them or anyone else who wants to emulate them.
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These folks need some real life struggles
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What a ridiculous comment with 32 equally small minded supporters. No one is telling YOU to do this, to support it or even embrace this lifestyle, this is an interesting human interest story. I haven't completed even half of 1 and don't think an Ironman is something I'll ever do, but I find it fascinating that there have been people who can push the extremes of their physical limits.
...if you don't like the article and don't agree with the lifestyle, fine. But the NYT should be free and encouraged to publish similar interesting articles in the future, free of censorship or requests to that effect, just as narrow minded judgmental people are free to post the diversity of comments here.
As a society, i hope we can move away from the perpetual anxiety and fear-based thinking that causes us to want censorship of anything that could remotely be interpreted as creating harm or being a bad influence. Reminds me of back in the day when folks tried to ban rock n roll as being the devil's music, or blues, or baggy pants, etc. Get out of your comfort bubble once in a while, there's a whole, amazing world out there to see and learn about.
...if you don't like the article and don't agree with the lifestyle, fine. But the NYT should be free and encouraged to publish similar interesting articles in the future, free of censorship or requests to that effect, just as narrow minded judgmental people are free to post the diversity of comments here.
As a society, i hope we can move away from the perpetual anxiety and fear-based thinking that causes us to want censorship of anything that could remotely be interpreted as creating harm or being a bad influence. Reminds me of back in the day when folks tried to ban rock n roll as being the devil's music, or blues, or baggy pants, etc. Get out of your comfort bubble once in a while, there's a whole, amazing world out there to see and learn about.
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I'm all for setting goals and taking on challenges--i.e. I've run 20 marathons and have gone under 3 hours in half of them--but there seems to be something existentially desperate in how these "superhuman" endurance events are not only proliferating but getting more elaborate and punishing. What are these people out to prove? What do they hope to "find" or attain by so cruelly punishing their bodies and pushing their willpower?
Not only from athletic endeavor but through centuries of warfare we already know what the human body and mind can do. Sure, it's incredible; the mind and body can be put on "auto-pilot" for hours at a time. But what's more interesting is SPEED, not endurance. Tens of housands of people run marathons; only a few hundred ever break 3 hours, far fewer go sub-2:30, a handful can run sub-2:10. Another example: WAY more people have summited Mt. Everest than have gone under 4 minutes in the mile.
Aside from that, the old adage about recovering from a marathon--26.2 miles--is "a day for each mile." And that adage really holds for people in their 20s and early 30s; as you get into your 40s the recovery ratio starts approaching two days per mile. What kind of toll--perhaps permanent--do "events" (I don't call them "races" because that's not an accurate term) like this one inflict on the body? The damage at the cellular level must be insane.
I have to wonder: how little one must have in their soul who feels the need for such severe self-flagellation.
Not only from athletic endeavor but through centuries of warfare we already know what the human body and mind can do. Sure, it's incredible; the mind and body can be put on "auto-pilot" for hours at a time. But what's more interesting is SPEED, not endurance. Tens of housands of people run marathons; only a few hundred ever break 3 hours, far fewer go sub-2:30, a handful can run sub-2:10. Another example: WAY more people have summited Mt. Everest than have gone under 4 minutes in the mile.
Aside from that, the old adage about recovering from a marathon--26.2 miles--is "a day for each mile." And that adage really holds for people in their 20s and early 30s; as you get into your 40s the recovery ratio starts approaching two days per mile. What kind of toll--perhaps permanent--do "events" (I don't call them "races" because that's not an accurate term) like this one inflict on the body? The damage at the cellular level must be insane.
I have to wonder: how little one must have in their soul who feels the need for such severe self-flagellation.
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I wonder how little one must have in their "soul" to not only have such negative thoughts but to take the time to write them. Please come volunteer at one of these "events" and you would have your mind changed. The funny part is how you skew your own comment to "O look at me," I ran under a 3hr. marathon. There is a high probability that you have done a lot more damage to your body training and racing "20" marathons than I have. Your recovery stats may be true for you but it is not the same for everyone.
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Is this really much worse, in terms of the mental and physical demands it imposes, than a nine month long pregnancy followed by hours of labor (not to mention the next 18 years of actually raising the child)? I'd say it doesn't come close, except in the sense that the pointlessness of this endeavor, versus the (usually, hopefully) highly rewarding pursuit of parenthood, might make the former harder to bear emotionally.
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I've had a baby, I don't see the comparison. What these people are doing sounds like going into hard labor, having a baby, then doing it again and again and again and again
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Honestly, I'm in my ninth month of pregnancy now, and a mere five- or even sixty- days of physical and mental anguish sounds to me like a cake walk.
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Fantastic! Marvelous! Extraordinary!
As for the negative, churlish comments posted about these brave, determined individuals... What have you all achieved in your lives? What do you know... that you can write off such extraordinary effort with glib and righteous ease. I experienced your negative comments as disheartening.
Ever onward! Upward! To the stars... and back:)
As for the negative, churlish comments posted about these brave, determined individuals... What have you all achieved in your lives? What do you know... that you can write off such extraordinary effort with glib and righteous ease. I experienced your negative comments as disheartening.
Ever onward! Upward! To the stars... and back:)
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What have they achieved.
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I think the point of the others is that a real achievement usually benefits more than one's own ego.
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There is nothing to gain and much to lose by treating your body as if it were an expendable toy that can be replaced next week. Pushing of this kind is distorted. The "negative" comments are based on the point of view that doing anything this unnecessary that is seriously painful and potentially damaging, is a form of mental illness. Extraordinary? Yes. Marvelous? I think not.
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There is or should be a DSM-5 diagnosis for all these participants.
This is not good for one's body.
This is not good for one's body.
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I doubt everything you do or eat is good for your body. I might be wrong, maybe you are perfect.
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I'm reading this to my kids and they keep asking Why. Why are they doing this. Why. I'm from Boulder and I'm even asking Why.
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The term self-absorbed comes to mind. I feel sorry for these athletes' families and co-workers. How can you do anything else productive at work or at home if you're spending the time needed to train for, travel to and from, and recover from this race. Makes no sense to me at all.
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The negative comments here reek of people who've never worked for and achieved anything. Instead of being overly judgemental of others, why not marvel at their athletic accomplishments, say good job, and be on your way? A little positivity can be a well needed reprieve these days.
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Wouldn't it be more rewarding if we pushed our thinking and imagination to the limit, until our mind hurt? I always found that exercise to be more constructive and interesting, and certainly with worthier results.
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‘If you have to ask, you will never know" is nice rhetoric, but ultimately a deflection, not enlightenment.
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So? No one said in the article that they're trying to reach nirvana.
I once attended the Badwater Ultramarathon. One of the racers told me that that most of the participants were one good run away from rehab. I couldn't beleve what they endured but clearly mental toughness and resilience is what gets them over the line.
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These ultra sports - marathons, biking, swimming - all seem like solo endurance sports. But that's like looking at a building and praising the architect. There's a team there - either behind the scenes or in the wings - propping that person up. The man who said it was a selfish sport was right, but I am sure the family and friends giving them support also feel proud in the end. They should, anyway.
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It's absolutely a community, and each individual has their own core group as well. I did the double, and my pit crew was an athlete friend who knew what I was going through. He put up with my whining and tears and helped me get through the cold rainy night, somehow not sleeping and keeping me going. His job was probably worse than mine! My friends came down from DC to surprise me on my last five laps, and I can't tell you how amazing it felt, and what a push it was. My gilfriend at the time put up with all my training, and supported me through it all. Heck, a training buddy was the one who sent me this article! My favorite though: out on the race course, I had a mini breakdown, and a fellow competitor convinced me I was fine, gave me some gummi bears and a Snickers bar, and convinced me I just needed a cup of tea. I had never met him before, but he took time out of his race to motivate me, make me feel better, and ultimately help me finish the race. It truly takes a village.
It's such a happy event, full of love and overcoming obstacles. It's very sad to see everyone in the comments section spewing such negativity and judgement. I don't come into your garage, see the 76 Mustang you've restored, and when you tell me how expensive it was talk to you about how that money could go to refugees, or that the amount of time you spent was a waste. I say wow man, that's really cool. I bet you're really proud of it.
So thanks for your kind words. Not a ton of them in the comments.
It's such a happy event, full of love and overcoming obstacles. It's very sad to see everyone in the comments section spewing such negativity and judgement. I don't come into your garage, see the 76 Mustang you've restored, and when you tell me how expensive it was talk to you about how that money could go to refugees, or that the amount of time you spent was a waste. I say wow man, that's really cool. I bet you're really proud of it.
So thanks for your kind words. Not a ton of them in the comments.
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Great writing, Randal: you captured the extremity and absurdity of the event very well.
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While the article is notably well-written, it failed to describe the event in its entirety. This race is indeed extreme, but it's certainly not absurd. The participants would not be doing these races if they didn't love the drive and push that it takes. Some pain is nothing compared to the feeling of completing an unimaginable goal. What's really absurd is the fact that you think you understand the wonderful people that are apart of these events.
"Look at me, look at me, praise me, look how many distance stickers I have on my cars rear window".
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You sure this is not the government's way of 'enhanced' something-or-other?
Why stop at five? Why not seven or ten? The whole thing seems like a tremendous waste of time, blood, sweat, and tears.
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Pride cometh...before a fall ?
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Great. Fantastic! Amazing accomplishments.
What I wish is this:
That the vast amount of human energy that was spent on this adventure would be spent instead on fixing real problems at home. Unfortunately, we have plenty of them.
What I wish is this:
That the vast amount of human energy that was spent on this adventure would be spent instead on fixing real problems at home. Unfortunately, we have plenty of them.
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This can be said for all activities that take up your time that is not directly service oriented.
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Pointless. "Look at me, how much I am suffering." They do this to prove something, to someone, so I guess it matters to someone?
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On reading the title - "How Much Suffering Can You Take?" - I thought this was an article about the election.
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I was quite tickled by this report. Should begin with a sigh of impressiveness. what a marvel. To push limits like these opens a whole new way of measuring what any of us can do. Really like that. And it is a lot of fun too (reading this note while sitting comfortably in my desk chair). Very nicely written, very entertaining. I like to imagine what happy fanatism would have these champions in such a goal. 5 Ironmans? It will be fun pocking subtle fun at someone showing off their ironman experience. I imagine myself saying. Great i just read about the 5 deca, amazing! haha
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The trend of negativity and judgment going on in these comments is sad and really highlights the lack of sticktoitiveness, as my grandma used to say, which is one of the root causes of many of the problems plaguing our nation. Human pushing themselves mentally and physically to the limits of what is possible is how we came to evolve from neanderthals to a highly intelligent species with an amazing and ever advancing civilization.
Now the inclination is to denigrate people for trying to do something that is nearly impossible and has rarely been accomplished? These people are kind of out there, but they are dedicated, and I admire them. And when I don't want to work out because I am tired from a long day at work, I will think of this group and be inspired to get my behind up and get it done and not complain. And consequently, these are the type of people you want around when stuff hits the fan. In the post-apocalyptic future, these are the people who live to start a survivor's colony.
Now the inclination is to denigrate people for trying to do something that is nearly impossible and has rarely been accomplished? These people are kind of out there, but they are dedicated, and I admire them. And when I don't want to work out because I am tired from a long day at work, I will think of this group and be inspired to get my behind up and get it done and not complain. And consequently, these are the type of people you want around when stuff hits the fan. In the post-apocalyptic future, these are the people who live to start a survivor's colony.
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Yes we mere mortals will never understand. But then again, I can't help but wonder if this is all about the death narrative in western society - how we're all so desperate to make some kind of mark on the world, any mark, to prove to ourselves that we achieved something, anything, in our brief lives. The incomprehensible prospect of our own finitude is hard for many of us in our culture to accept so we avoid thinking about it and instead seek solace in some form of epic achievement that will outlive us and somehow give our lives meaning.
Or then again, maybe they just do it because they like it. Who knows? But it's interesting that this seems to be a uniquely western, 21st century phenomenon. Trying explaining such an endeavour to, for instance, a Buddhist monk in Tibet.
Or then again, maybe they just do it because they like it. Who knows? But it's interesting that this seems to be a uniquely western, 21st century phenomenon. Trying explaining such an endeavour to, for instance, a Buddhist monk in Tibet.
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Google "marathon monks" to learn about Buddhist monks who push their bodies and minds to perform unimaginable challenges.
Ultra fetishistic masochistic narcissism. I wouldn't want to be a relative or significant other of any of these individuals.
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I initially read the name of the event as "Quintuple Advil Triathlon."
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To each his own I suppose, but this type of self imposed hardship strikes me as self indulgent and hardly heroic. I'd be more inspired by a story about a parent raising two or more disabled children. That's tough.
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Good way to burn some calories.
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At first I thought the title of the race was the "Virginia Quintuple Advil Triathlon", which would arguably be a more appropriate name.
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Definitely more appropiate.
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I can't imagine doing this to my body on purpose. This seems like a socially acceptable form of self-mutilation. But if it makes them happy or fills some sort of need, have at it.
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I suppose there is a value to pushing oneself beyond the beyond, but I am way too old to figure out what it might be. Thank goodness!
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Why?
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here's where an athletic adventure or hobby or event full time occupation turns into an unhealthy habit. Guys and gals - find something more productive to do - maybe volunteering
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I'm friends with one of the people featured in this. He is retired and spends most of his time volunteering and raising his children. Maybe don't be so quick to judge next time.
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I'm not sure which I hope will be finished first: the current presidential election cycle or the fad that is amateur distance racing...
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Whatevs. I'm more interested in people dealing with PTSD, with existential crises, and trying like mad to make things better for others.
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Pain enthusiasts? Is that a fancy term for "masochists"?
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"Pain enthusiast" was penned by the author and did not come from any of the racers.
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Pain, fatigue, and exhaustion on a level most of us would be lucky to never experience until, maybe, our final days. And then come the days and weeks after the event when it hurts to rest too long in one place.
Even the winners will know the feeling of defeat. They choose to do this. That is what is most incredible.
I hope they also find the feeling they are looking for in the process. I'd love to hear more about why they do it, what they are looking for, what it means to them.
Even the winners will know the feeling of defeat. They choose to do this. That is what is most incredible.
I hope they also find the feeling they are looking for in the process. I'd love to hear more about why they do it, what they are looking for, what it means to them.
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I'd rather hear from those who "endured" the pain of being drafted.
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An interesting presentation of this weird world would be to include the bookend of the human activity Bell curve; people who avoid all strenuous physical activity, who sit around absolutely sessile, on purpose, out of calm and mindful intent to reap the benefits of that immobility. They exist, and they are probably a lot more like these folks than is presumed.
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I understand the desire to push to the limit and test oneself- whether in art, business or an athletic endeavor. With that said, I'm not sure I get this. This does not appear to qualify as either a pursuit of glory, personal courage, survival or - for that matter - overall ability. Hero's posing as fools? Or fools posing as hero's?
There is a vast difference between this activity and, say, the military's SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) program, a surgeon in his ninth hour of brain surgery or, for that matter, raising a child - all of which will test the limits of human physical and psychological endurance. i see honor in these. I don't see honor in a bicycle seat blister. Sorry.
There is a vast difference between this activity and, say, the military's SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) program, a surgeon in his ninth hour of brain surgery or, for that matter, raising a child - all of which will test the limits of human physical and psychological endurance. i see honor in these. I don't see honor in a bicycle seat blister. Sorry.
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I don't wish I could do that.
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Well said
The average length of TV viewing per day in the USA is about 5 hours. I guess this is mostly for entertainment, although some fraction could be for education. And especially in this election cycle, some fraction might reasonably be described as self-flagellation. Training for endurance events, whether at this scale or something less demanding, seems to me a better use of time. Sure, it would be great if we all worked on building housing for the homeless, but I would argue that the far, far larger group of devoted TV enthusiasts are the ones to be encouraged to reconsider their use of time.
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Thank you Paul. Once I became active all of the other things like volunteering became easier because first I had more energy and second I knew I could overcome almost anything.
It is not a zero sum game where one prevents the other but more along the lines that one can support all the "others".
It is not a zero sum game where one prevents the other but more along the lines that one can support all the "others".
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Why not ask refugees from war zones about their "ironman" races?
As for these others, get a kidney function test when they are done.
As for these others, get a kidney function test when they are done.
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When I first saw the photos, I thought they were discussing the election!
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This is incredible. The feeling of overcoming an obstacle so daunting must be unimaginably satisfying - after all, how many people can say they have completed five Ironmans in five days? I agree with the athletes themselves - accomplishments this remarkable aren't done for the sake of glory or recognition. The value of the most incredible triumphs lies within the self - and the knowledge that a strong will can achieve any challenge which may oppose it. Congratulations to all those who had the courage to participate, and congratulations to those who have internally benefited from this experience.
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Ironman athletes are self centered, self involved, self important, selfish individual. Ironman athletes are fit they are not healthy. I have entered six and completed six Ironman (never Hawaii). It is an addicting event, I am completely cured. Ultra Ironman racers are not fit or heathy they are addicts that are addicted to an unhealthy life style. Their love one should discourage them.
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Terry Nugent. Very sad.
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My high school coach gave me some great advice, "Don't let your competitiveness get in the way of your fun." That is advice I have used my entire adult life and not just as it applied to sports.
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Don't any of these people have lawns to cut?
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Careful, they may fetishize this and set out to cut 500 lawns in six days.
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"How much suffering can take?" I thought this was another article about the Election. This is positively heartwarming compared to the "other race".
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I think what we are seeing here are people that, simply put, yearn for judgement. Typically these are white upper class types that work very abstract jobs. At the end of the day can they look at their work and really tell if there is any substance to it? I mean, it's not like they're block masons. So big contests like these are a chance to get simple objective judgement of their mettle. And by competing they receive hard numbers about it.
You hear much about authenticity these days. Am I authentic? Am I the real
deal? The competitors seem concerned with questions like those, and they actually think they can answer them by completing the ordeal.
You hear much about authenticity these days. Am I authentic? Am I the real
deal? The competitors seem concerned with questions like those, and they actually think they can answer them by completing the ordeal.
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Cosmic judgement?
Am I missing the sarcasm, or are you trying to be Deep.
Please note the sarcasm.
Please note the sarcasm.
Deep, as always, else why comment?
Why people do this?
Probably for the same reason they drink, shoot heroin, take cruises, or do anything else to break down the boring routine of a predictable and monotonous existence that modern life has become.
I mean, our genes were designed and selected during foraging life over millions of years, never knowing what the next day will bring, let alone the next month or year, and only in the last 10K years have we lived a predominantly non-nomadic and sessile existence in which we are now asked to plan our retirement 40-50 years ahead.
Our genes are not made for the current kind of life. Some individuals have a need to escape that. This is one way to do it.
Probably for the same reason they drink, shoot heroin, take cruises, or do anything else to break down the boring routine of a predictable and monotonous existence that modern life has become.
I mean, our genes were designed and selected during foraging life over millions of years, never knowing what the next day will bring, let alone the next month or year, and only in the last 10K years have we lived a predominantly non-nomadic and sessile existence in which we are now asked to plan our retirement 40-50 years ahead.
Our genes are not made for the current kind of life. Some individuals have a need to escape that. This is one way to do it.
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These people are simply stupid. They don't harm anyone else, provided they survive, so I don't say they should refrain. But they do not deserve coverage in this paper.
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Man, no offense, but you have to be kidding. what you did was your choice. You want to talk about suffering, try being on dialysis 20 plus years, or see the people I see daily with so much worse than me. I couldn't even read the whole article. Stop your whining.
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Five Iron man in five days?
Pfft, that's nothing.
We've been following the presidential election the last few months, talk about suffering!
Pfft, that's nothing.
We've been following the presidential election the last few months, talk about suffering!
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More isn't necessarily better, people.
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I don't know how much suffering I can take but this political atmosphere is testing my limits. Stick me with a fork, - I'm done.
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Aristotle is no longer required on some of our best.
What is?
Curriculum? Students know better.
Common sense: not a focus.
Philosophy: that degree is offered.
Liberal arts, too.
Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle's counsel to his son, is taught.
Thus, Happiness, action in accord with principle, is taught.
Moderation is covered.
Aristotle did not suggest moderation in moderation.
"Education's End. Why Our Colleges and Universities Have Given Up on the Meaning of Life" by Anthony T. Kronman is not assigned.
Addiction's threat in a democracy is featured in Aristotle and Plato.
The different addictions, behavioral and substance, are not mentioned in philosophy.
The threat of addiction in demos was briefly discussed in The Federalist Papers, as I recall.
Excessive anything is recognized.
Freud and others have explored meaningless repetitive behavior.
Self knowledge was valued in my youth.
I was born in January 1939.
What is?
Curriculum? Students know better.
Common sense: not a focus.
Philosophy: that degree is offered.
Liberal arts, too.
Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle's counsel to his son, is taught.
Thus, Happiness, action in accord with principle, is taught.
Moderation is covered.
Aristotle did not suggest moderation in moderation.
"Education's End. Why Our Colleges and Universities Have Given Up on the Meaning of Life" by Anthony T. Kronman is not assigned.
Addiction's threat in a democracy is featured in Aristotle and Plato.
The different addictions, behavioral and substance, are not mentioned in philosophy.
The threat of addiction in demos was briefly discussed in The Federalist Papers, as I recall.
Excessive anything is recognized.
Freud and others have explored meaningless repetitive behavior.
Self knowledge was valued in my youth.
I was born in January 1939.
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This is a masochistic addiction, plain and simple. Only the competitors can answer why they need to do this to themselves. I respect their right to experience this but won't pretend it's healthy or admirable.
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Now this is sick :D !
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I have done some crazy stupid things in my life. This was not nor, I will assure you, be one of them.
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To find meaning in life through self-flaggalation.
De Sade, anyone? You know, there is really nothing one can say about this that is remotely nice because lunacy is not a good thing. Self-destruction, even of just one's self, is considered a sort of mental illness, I believe.
But honestly, to imply that a person should be given respect for "enduring" something like this is ridiculous. I'll put my 13+ years of alcoholism, self-abuse (placed cigarettes on my forearms in "competition" with others; I never lost), and other associated self-inflicted misery against any of these guys.
Fortunately, in the voice of Monty Python, I got better :)
De Sade, anyone? You know, there is really nothing one can say about this that is remotely nice because lunacy is not a good thing. Self-destruction, even of just one's self, is considered a sort of mental illness, I believe.
But honestly, to imply that a person should be given respect for "enduring" something like this is ridiculous. I'll put my 13+ years of alcoholism, self-abuse (placed cigarettes on my forearms in "competition" with others; I never lost), and other associated self-inflicted misery against any of these guys.
Fortunately, in the voice of Monty Python, I got better :)
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You are comparing apples and outhouses.
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I wonder what insurance companies make of these kind of people who participate in these kind of extreme activities.
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Best question of the day. Do you think, like the Uber drivers, they are not telling their insurance companies?
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Actually, we had to have a Dr. sign a form acknowledging what we were doing which included the distances we were attempting.
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Everyone is different, but I understand this completely. I've never gone this far, but I have done things that I am afraid of, that I wasn't sure I could do, and either completed them or born as much as I could, and it was more than I ever had done before. There is nothing like testing your limits, and your will, and going farther than ever before.
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Why? What is the point of this? Some kind of masochism.....
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It's the new self flagellation and hair shirts
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If you want to see how much suffering you can take, how about building houses for Habitat for Humanity or volunteering at a homeless shelter? Make your suffering of use to someone apart from yourself.
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So are you suggesting we get rid of all leisure activities? If you want to sit on your butt for an extra five hours every night, why watch TV? Why not tutor a child?
Because the suffering is not the point, the sense of accomplishment for making it through the suffering is the point. By the same token, sitting on your butt is not the point, the enjoyment you get from watching TV is the point. Your argument is fine, but let's make sure we apply it fairly. No leisure for anyone - just acts of service. That's a noble suggestion, but I think you may have trouble getting everyone on board.
Because the suffering is not the point, the sense of accomplishment for making it through the suffering is the point. By the same token, sitting on your butt is not the point, the enjoyment you get from watching TV is the point. Your argument is fine, but let's make sure we apply it fairly. No leisure for anyone - just acts of service. That's a noble suggestion, but I think you may have trouble getting everyone on board.
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Those things are not suffering, they are feel good experiences for people who (often selfishly) want a more tangible sense of giving. A more apt parallel would be working furiously to earn more money, then donating your earnings to charity to the point of impoverishing yourself.
gluttons for punishment..........
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The definition of the word "meshuganah."
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Call it what you will, just don't call it healthy.
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I couldn't even read this article five times.
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Until I read about this lot I used to think being washed up on a desert island with your typical workaholic NFL coach would be a real nightmare.
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These people, with their extreme competitiveness and disdain for all moderation, balance, and limits, embody one aspect of what is so very wrong in our world. We will not survive such people and their obsessive motivations.
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attack of the athlete zombies. run for your lives! (very far.)
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How much suffering can I take? I dunno. Ask me November 9.
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To all the critics who have never done any sort of ultra-event (let alone a sprint triathlon) -
You really can't understand the process and challenge and fulfillment of these sort of endurance challenges. It has nothing to do with fulfilling an unmet need, but the willingness to take risks and explore what your mental and physical capabilities are - and usually they're far greater than you dreamed of.
This sort of activity is sufficiently extreme that even the competitors would rarely recommend others try it. But it's short-sighted to view it from the view of a non-athlete and conclude there is some sort of personal deficiency or self-lack that they're trying to compensate for by participating.
It's really a celebration of challenging one domain of human potential to its farthest limits. And contrary to the critics, no, these people don't NEED to do these races to feel happy or fulfilled in their lives.
You really can't understand the process and challenge and fulfillment of these sort of endurance challenges. It has nothing to do with fulfilling an unmet need, but the willingness to take risks and explore what your mental and physical capabilities are - and usually they're far greater than you dreamed of.
This sort of activity is sufficiently extreme that even the competitors would rarely recommend others try it. But it's short-sighted to view it from the view of a non-athlete and conclude there is some sort of personal deficiency or self-lack that they're trying to compensate for by participating.
It's really a celebration of challenging one domain of human potential to its farthest limits. And contrary to the critics, no, these people don't NEED to do these races to feel happy or fulfilled in their lives.
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My friend, this has absolutely nothing to do with athleticism. It is quite doubtful that any of these "competitors" are ticking off mileage, be it swim, bike, or run, that is truly of a competitive level.
"It's really a celebration of challenging one domain of human potential to its farthest limits."
With that logic, ramming needles into my eyes and surviving the pain is a "celebration of human potential" too. In fact, someone attacking me in the street and beating me to within inches of death is in part a celebration of human potential too because presuming I survived that, well, I WON!
(Uh, rot? Yes, rot.)
"And contrary to the critics, no, these people don't NEED to do these races to feel happy or fulfilled in their lives."
Right. As Turner said towards the end of the article, '“The ego wants a perfect race. You get in this to feed your ego or nourish your soul."' Not about him being fulfilled in any respect.
If one chooses to "compete," unless one is at a true competitive level, where gloating and ego are at least accompanied by actual ability, one should simply put on the t-shirt and be quiet.
"It's really a celebration of challenging one domain of human potential to its farthest limits."
With that logic, ramming needles into my eyes and surviving the pain is a "celebration of human potential" too. In fact, someone attacking me in the street and beating me to within inches of death is in part a celebration of human potential too because presuming I survived that, well, I WON!
(Uh, rot? Yes, rot.)
"And contrary to the critics, no, these people don't NEED to do these races to feel happy or fulfilled in their lives."
Right. As Turner said towards the end of the article, '“The ego wants a perfect race. You get in this to feed your ego or nourish your soul."' Not about him being fulfilled in any respect.
If one chooses to "compete," unless one is at a true competitive level, where gloating and ego are at least accompanied by actual ability, one should simply put on the t-shirt and be quiet.
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Many amateur/recreational athletes – I would guess the majority – have found a healthy balance in our sporting, training and athletic endeavors. That goes for both the mind and body. We are unwilling to knowingly damage our bodies doing something we pursue to benefit our health. (I, for example, trained for and ran my first and only marathon in 1983, and walked away feeling foolish for voluntarily putting that kind of strain on my body.)
Those of us who have found a proper balance are likewise unwilling to succumb to an obsessive/compulsive or other psychological need to do so. I question your assertion that participants don’t “need” to do these extreme ventures. That sounds like denial. I wonder how many could actually voluntarily stop (absent injury). This seems to be an "extreme" version of those who become anxious/stressed at the very thought of not getting their daily work-out in at the gym.
Those of us who have found a proper balance are likewise unwilling to succumb to an obsessive/compulsive or other psychological need to do so. I question your assertion that participants don’t “need” to do these extreme ventures. That sounds like denial. I wonder how many could actually voluntarily stop (absent injury). This seems to be an "extreme" version of those who become anxious/stressed at the very thought of not getting their daily work-out in at the gym.
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Too bad you walked away from completing a marathon feeling foolish. That truly is sad...
When I clicked on this article, "How Much Suffering Can You Take?", I assumed it was about the election, or some war-torn area like Syria or Iraq. Self-inflicted "suffering" I'm not interested in, in this world climate.
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I've known people like this in my running club. To each his own I suppose, but I feel that any exercise this extreme is symptomatic of an unmet need or a serious issue. I noticed that the snarky replies here align with the "If you have to ask, you'll never know" attitude, which to me is not dissimilar to religious zealots who cannot give a concrete answer as to why they believe. I had an adorably witty Israeli acupuncturist who was treating me during my training for a half marathon. One day he simply said, "Running, running, always running. What are you running from, my dear?"
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This got a bit long, so I split it into two parts. apologies for being verbose:
Part 1:
I actually participated in the Double Anvil a couple years ago, so a friend sent me this article. Reading this comment section sure has been informative about all my various damages and psychological needs.
I'd like to suggest a different reasoning. During the race, I had the pleasure of talking to a fellow competitor who was doing the triple anvil (there is quite a bit of talking on the course given the short laps, so a lot of overlap). I found out that he was doing the triple but had never done a triathlon at all until two years before. I was shocked that he was doing such a tough race so early on, and asked what got him into it. I'll paraphrase the best I can from memory:
"I just wanted to see if I could keep going. I didn't know if I could do a triathlon, because I had never biked. Then I thought, why not just try to go further? So I did an ironman, and now I'm here. You know, so many people they think, oh, I could never do that, I could never run 10 miles, but anyone can run 10 miles. And then they do 10 miles and think, oh, I could never do a marathon. You just never know what you can do unless you try. And then once you do it, you still don't know what else you can do unless you try." That really resonated with me, because it so perfectly encapsulated my thoughts on it.
Part 1:
I actually participated in the Double Anvil a couple years ago, so a friend sent me this article. Reading this comment section sure has been informative about all my various damages and psychological needs.
I'd like to suggest a different reasoning. During the race, I had the pleasure of talking to a fellow competitor who was doing the triple anvil (there is quite a bit of talking on the course given the short laps, so a lot of overlap). I found out that he was doing the triple but had never done a triathlon at all until two years before. I was shocked that he was doing such a tough race so early on, and asked what got him into it. I'll paraphrase the best I can from memory:
"I just wanted to see if I could keep going. I didn't know if I could do a triathlon, because I had never biked. Then I thought, why not just try to go further? So I did an ironman, and now I'm here. You know, so many people they think, oh, I could never do that, I could never run 10 miles, but anyone can run 10 miles. And then they do 10 miles and think, oh, I could never do a marathon. You just never know what you can do unless you try. And then once you do it, you still don't know what else you can do unless you try." That really resonated with me, because it so perfectly encapsulated my thoughts on it.
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Its amazing how far the endurance sport world has come, when you think that only 30 years ago the Ironman Triathlon was the pinnacle of human endurance. Now, Ironman events sometimes sell out in hours and have hundreds on the waiting lists. It's neat though, that people like to do things like that.
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Like being said in the article, if you have to ask why, you will not understand.
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As a 3x Ironman triathlon competitor, I am so offended and take such incredible exception to using the word "suffering" in relation to sports, whether it be this choice or professional athletes who ride Le Tour de France. (Suffering is a word thrown around left and right in relation to Le Tour.)
This is a CHOICE people, and a first world choice at that. To have the money it takes, the flexibility to have the time to train, the time to take off from work to do these events--and then then recover-- is not "suffering." Good god, it is the apex of narcissism, and an attempt to fill and emotional hole of need and self confidence.
The Syrian refugees are suffering. People undergoing chemo are suffering. Parents who have lost a child know the depths of that word. This is a cheap way to co-opt that state of being without really paying a price--except for enjoyment and bragging rights at the end.
I did Ironman. I know this type of "suffering." It is a pale, weak tea to what people actually endure as it fades into a euphoria of triumph at the finish line. Suffering, my foot. Again, it's a CHOICE that takes an inordinate amount of time and money. If you ain't got both, you ain't going to be able to "suffer" like that.
If these people are honest with themselves, it's the ego that is touched. The soul does not even venture into this superficial territory.
This is a CHOICE people, and a first world choice at that. To have the money it takes, the flexibility to have the time to train, the time to take off from work to do these events--and then then recover-- is not "suffering." Good god, it is the apex of narcissism, and an attempt to fill and emotional hole of need and self confidence.
The Syrian refugees are suffering. People undergoing chemo are suffering. Parents who have lost a child know the depths of that word. This is a cheap way to co-opt that state of being without really paying a price--except for enjoyment and bragging rights at the end.
I did Ironman. I know this type of "suffering." It is a pale, weak tea to what people actually endure as it fades into a euphoria of triumph at the finish line. Suffering, my foot. Again, it's a CHOICE that takes an inordinate amount of time and money. If you ain't got both, you ain't going to be able to "suffer" like that.
If these people are honest with themselves, it's the ego that is touched. The soul does not even venture into this superficial territory.
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Thank you. I'm not an athlete; my best friend is a triathlete. I've seen her in pain and injured, but she never complains. She would find the title of this article as off-putting as you, and me.
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This is absurd. Of course it's suffering, as I presume that LindaP knows in her heart.
That there is some theoretical hierarchy of suffering seems plausible. But simply because someone chooses the suffering he or she does does not mean it is not suffering.
And if there is to be a hierarchy of suffering, who shall we empower to determine the standings? Does a child raped and beaten by a relative suffer "less" than a child living in terror in a war zone? Does it matter?
Suffering is not a moral badge of honor. All humans—the Buddhists will say all beings—suffer, from the kid in junior high whose heart is broken by the loss of a first love to the grandmother who loses limbs in a bombing attack. Of those two examples, most will (correctly, in my mind) call the latter a worse case of suffering. But who are we to say the broken-hearted kid is *not* suffering?
Better to have compassion for all suffering. And not to judge those who choose to undergo suffering and pain in contests such as the Quintuple Anvil, for who knows what suffering has driven them to the starting line?
That there is some theoretical hierarchy of suffering seems plausible. But simply because someone chooses the suffering he or she does does not mean it is not suffering.
And if there is to be a hierarchy of suffering, who shall we empower to determine the standings? Does a child raped and beaten by a relative suffer "less" than a child living in terror in a war zone? Does it matter?
Suffering is not a moral badge of honor. All humans—the Buddhists will say all beings—suffer, from the kid in junior high whose heart is broken by the loss of a first love to the grandmother who loses limbs in a bombing attack. Of those two examples, most will (correctly, in my mind) call the latter a worse case of suffering. But who are we to say the broken-hearted kid is *not* suffering?
Better to have compassion for all suffering. And not to judge those who choose to undergo suffering and pain in contests such as the Quintuple Anvil, for who knows what suffering has driven them to the starting line?
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My friend who ran marathons for years always told me that the best part about running such a long race was when he stopped.
This article brought to mind the recent documentary "The Berkeley Marathons", where the main question about this annual event (organized by a long-distance trail runner, on basis of James Earl Ray's infamous prison break) isn't "who will win?", but "will anyone even finish?" - a must see for anyone who thinks hiking in the wilderness is fun.
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Sorry to all for my mis-spelling of this epic ultra-endurance event & great documentary film - it's actually "The Barkley Marathon" - where just completing the course is in itself victory! To add insult to injuries, there's also a mandatory time cut and quite unique entrance fees and qualifications - you can't just show up without a license plate and a white shirt and expect to compete!
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Assuming you mean Barkley. Great little run through the woods.
To keep the prison theme going it would be quite funny to see people run from Berkeley to Alcatraz and back though.
To keep the prison theme going it would be quite funny to see people run from Berkeley to Alcatraz and back though.
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I have ripped out one finger or toenail every day for eleven years. I hold my finger in a lamp socket for at least thirty minutes or until i pass out, whichever comes first. I run into a brick wall at full tilt as many times as possible in an hour. I am desperately unhappy, and my doctor says I'm killing myself, but at least I won't have to suffer through a "long, smart, boring life."
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We have only one body, no spare parts, why destroy this precious gift?
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Seriously, there are other ways to nourish the soul.
I just don't get it. Pain junkies??
I just don't get it. Pain junkies??
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As a runner, I get the need to push oneself again and again to see just how far and fast one can go. But even I have to draw the line at 5 Ironman races in 5 days - that is just downright crazy. I suppose though it's a compulsion that while annoying for family and spouses it sure beats other options, such as drugs, drinking or gambling.
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It is all perspective. A couch potato may think a 5k is insane. A marathon runner may think a 100 miler is insane. A hundred mile runner may think a 400 mile race is insane. It keeps going. Actually, a lot of us have families that support us, compete with us and love to be part of this event. BTW, There are bike races that go 30 plus days, Swims that take more than 24 Hrs. and running events that go anywhere from a 100 miles up to 1000's. (Yes). There is a DECA Ironman almost every year held somewhere around the globe. There are double Deca's (20), and even Triples. Basically, there is no limit. It is forever evolving, just as we are as human beings.
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So self-indulgent. If you have that much time to burn, why not volunteer at a homeless shelter, elementary school, or nursing home? Exercise as much as you need to to be healthy. This is ridiculous.
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The average American spends 5 hours a day watching Television. I assure you I spent less than that duing the week on training for my Double Anvil, and not a ton more than that on the weekends. I find it interesting that endurance athletes "have time to burn" but apparently everyone else gets a free pass.
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You can't really meaningfully train for these events and that is effected in the pace of this event. It doesn't do much good for you health wise - I don't see the point except for bragging rights.
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Then you do not understand, and that is OK. Our training might be the same as most triathletes, but we try to push a little farther mentally a few times a year than they do. No bragging rights needed, just like to know a little bit about ourselves that you never get to learn if you do not get out of your comfort zone.
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But Hamlet's reproof to the ladies warding off old age and death through makeup applies here as well: "Get thee to my lady's chamber, and tell her, let her paint an inch thick, to THIS end she will come." Running the Quintuple Anvil Triathlon does zilch for quality of life. I guarantee my little old lady-dom is going to be more active, agile and useful than that of these who abuse their bodies to soothe their anxieties. Those below who likened these endeavors to self-flagellation or heroic anorexia - I'll bet they are right. But it's fine. Everyone has their own way of coping with anxiety and loss of control. These folks are acting out the fallacy of "I control my body and mind." But they don't, no more than others.
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I have run five marathons this year, with three more on the schedule before year end. However, this is nothing compared to other Marathon Maniacs (national club of 13,000 members). I torture myself for the pure satisfaction and sense if accomplishment. Sure there are other less painful ways to achieve this, but we must each pick our own poison and live with it.
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No, "... we must each pick or own poison...". How about picking an enjoyable way(s) to live out your precious life? Ever think of that? Some of us love life and try our best to enjoy it to the fullest, and not painfully!!!!
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How many hours training and participating in these types of events over the year? How about being present at home physically and emotionally to support partners, children, your community...that's a much bigger challenge over the long haul.
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The idea of running 5 triathlons in 5 days (or even back to back marathons one day after another) is insanity. The practice illustrates the fanaticism of a growing cadre of health obsessed people in America who believe they benefit by pushing their bodies way beyond the safe limits. We have become a health-obsessed country to the point of absurdity. I'm sure they will start selling special 5-day triathlon decals that will allow these fanatics to let everyone else know how much more superior they are than their friends or neighbors with the ubiquitous 26.2 decal on their cars.
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Reminds me of the Olympia Dukakis line in "Moonstruck": "It doesn't matter what you do, Cosmo, you're going to die like the rest of us." Do these people think they can outrun death?
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Many years ago, as a competitive athlete, an Olympic coach told me that when you finish a workout, you should be able to say to yourself "wow! that feels good! I can't wait to do it again!" He said if you can't say that to yourself after a workout, that eventually you would either quit or suffer injury.
That said, this Quintuple Anvil Marathon (aptly named, as participants are literally pounding on their bodies) is essentially all about testing one's limits, but as we know, extremes in any endeavor are not free of risk.
I wonder if any medical research groups have coordinated with these athletes to see what happens to their bodies after this grueling experience.
Most likely, cortisol levels and inflammation would show dramatic rises, along with other negative impacts.
Potential Adverse Effects From Excessive Endurance Exercise
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538475/
Extreme Endurance Exercise: If You Do This Type of Exercise, You Could Be Damaging Your Heart
http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2013/08/23/extreme-endu...
Some people can't live without testing themselves to the limit - so be it, but it's not something that I would suggest anyone else emulate.
That said, this Quintuple Anvil Marathon (aptly named, as participants are literally pounding on their bodies) is essentially all about testing one's limits, but as we know, extremes in any endeavor are not free of risk.
I wonder if any medical research groups have coordinated with these athletes to see what happens to their bodies after this grueling experience.
Most likely, cortisol levels and inflammation would show dramatic rises, along with other negative impacts.
Potential Adverse Effects From Excessive Endurance Exercise
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538475/
Extreme Endurance Exercise: If You Do This Type of Exercise, You Could Be Damaging Your Heart
http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2013/08/23/extreme-endu...
Some people can't live without testing themselves to the limit - so be it, but it's not something that I would suggest anyone else emulate.
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Ever since I was a kid I wanted to do an ironman. Then in December 1998 ran my first marathon. I asked what was next? I then ran a half ironman in May 1999. I then asked what next? I then completed an ironman in November of 1999. The day after the race, tired, hurting, I wondered what my next challenge could be. Perhaps a century run? Perhaps a an even longer swim or bike? Even better, a double or triple or quintuple ironman (excuse me, Anvil). But after my first Ironman, the arthritis in my ankle had progressed to the point that I can no longer run. As it was I barely finished the run portion in the allotted time (1:30 to spare!). But it was worth it. Yes, and I'd do it again. My ankle had been deteriorating for 20 years when I started training for my first marathon. I realized it was 'now or never' for running an marathon and later an ironman. If you haven't pushed yourself to your limits, you will never know the satisfaction of finding them. The sense of achievement of knowing you have completed what most would never dare. If to complete an ironman is to be in a kind of elite level of endurance racing. Completing a double, triple, or whatever multiple of that is indeed a fantastic thing. While many focus on the pain and suffering, I choose to focus on the reward of doing something remarkable. Congratulations to those who completed. And to those who tried and failed, better luck next time!
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For people who enjoy such a thing, this is the sort of thing they enjoy.
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There are medically unavoidable painful situations, and then there are these athletes. I see the medical patients enduring great pain as my heroes. Go a couple months with your very-sensitive spine in two sections and THEN get back to us about your ''endurance.''
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Oh yeah? I just spent 4 nights on the floor of my mom's room at the old folks home and for all my love and care got strep throat.
Competitors? Save your batteries, you ain't seen nothin yet till you got old age on your plate.
Competitors? Save your batteries, you ain't seen nothin yet till you got old age on your plate.
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How old are you? "Save your batteries," sure, because you know when you will die because of cancer, accident, genetic disease. I have been to old folks homes, and taken care of Alzheimer's patients. Maybe that is why we push the limits. We can do these things now and maybe not when we are in an old folks home.
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Why? Because. Because sometimes you want to know what you're capable of doing. Why make harsh comments? Why conclude people have too much time on their hands? Because some people don't understand the drive to find one's limits.
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All this energy wasted. Put to good use - what could it do? Build housing for the homeless, play with and tutor children, care for the elderly, clear land and plant a garden for a soup kitchen, dozens, hundreds of ideas. But these people decide to ruin their bodies and minds for what? Just to do it? These people are NOT to be admired, but to be pitied. And they could use some good mental health help.
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In 1922, when asked by this newspaper why he wanted to climb the then-unconquered Mount Everest, George Mallory replied "Because it's there."
Every athlete profiled in this wonderful article competes in the grueling race "because it's there." There is no money in it, and little glory or recognition outside this small, hyper-competitive circle. It is in our nature to push the limits of what humans are capable of, and these competitors are proof.
Every athlete profiled in this wonderful article competes in the grueling race "because it's there." There is no money in it, and little glory or recognition outside this small, hyper-competitive circle. It is in our nature to push the limits of what humans are capable of, and these competitors are proof.
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Adventure racing has been around for a while... And, while it is probably an even more arduous sport than these ultra triathlons, participants in adventure racing seem to be constantly smiling. Adventure racing exudes joy at the limits of human endurance. Suffering is part of adventure racing, but so is awe for the great outdoors, team spirit and happiness about what they are doing..
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To what ends? Testing one's limits is often important for learning and self esteem, but I find something narcissistic and even sad about spending so much of one's "life force" on something that adds no value to others. I suspect some of these folks are trying fill a void in their lives that cannot be filled in this way. When they finally breakdown, and breakdown they will, all that will be left will be memories of self harm and hubris.
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Some people can push themselves to limits unimaginable except for those few who have themselves been pushed very hard in life Recovering from near-death, excelling within elite military organizations (e.g. SEALs, Delta, Rangers) and high-level competitive athletes experience a joy of "finishing" when others snickered and openly doubted you.
I'm not sure how sane this "sport" is but to each their own, right?
I'm not sure how sane this "sport" is but to each their own, right?
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Quoting a Gary Larson cartoon, "Just plain nuts."
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Self mutilation. Nothing to be lauded.
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This body you and I have is incredible and can do much much more than we think.
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Sad. If you feel a need to test your limits why not help someone else in the process--Aids, Ebola patients in Africa, maybe? Otherwise just masochism. Might as well add a hairshirt.
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Testing your limits is sad?
Your life sounds complete.
Your life sounds complete.
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Try testing your intellectual limits. That might add something to society.
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A lot of the competitors were raising money for a cause or were competing in honor of another but the article did not mention any of that. Your "Holy than Thou" comment is out of place. How do you "test your intellectual limits?" Do you read, study, listen to others, watch TV. Maybe your time would be better spent "helping someone." I have met more great people in the ultra world than I have other walks of life. I have first hand knowledge that many of my fellow competitors give financially and spend a lot of their time giving back to society in many ways-maybe even more than you do. Feel free to limit yourself as much as you want but do not try to limit others. Have a great day.
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Ahh, leave them alone already. Everything is pointless anyway, so what's another log on the fire.
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I'm sending you a mental hug, Dan, my fellow nihilist.
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If I want to suffer, I just watch the political coverage on TV at home.
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Quite the article; the accompanying photos also capture quite vividly an exhaustion and anguish that wouldn't be out of place in a war zone.
It goes to show that the human body remains an incredible force, second only to the minds that drive them.
It goes to show that the human body remains an incredible force, second only to the minds that drive them.
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Thank you, Mitch. I can assure you that there was a lot more fun and pleasure out there. The article, although well written, only showed a very small part of our race and there were a lot more great photos then what you were shown. This event is a great test of will power but also not nearly as hard as others may guess if well prepared.
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These people have unreal grit in doing a triathlon let alone 5 in 5 days but one has to ask what is the limit. At what point do you cross the line to insanity and OCD? Why not have a Triathlon where the winner is the last person living.
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Yup. My thoughts exactly. Taken to its logical conclusion, you just run until only one person is left breathing. "Winner!"
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I'm almost at the point of a half marathon, can't imagine triathlon, let alone x5... much easier to criticize behind a keyboard than to face our daemons of doubt.
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Demons of doubt ?
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Candy, great job on your running goals and for speaking up.
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Wouldn't it be quicker to the point to just whip yourself with a cat o' nine tails for 5 days? You have the martyrdom, the pain, and lasting proof of , um. your "accomplishments? AND you don't have to have a partner to help keep you going. It's all you, all you, which is what it is anyway. Elite? Not so much.
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And think of all the money you would save by not needing all the expensive equipment, clothing, coaching, chiropractors and special nutrition. Pain withou endless expense!!!
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The pictures all show people who appear to have European ancestry -- are there similar obsessive tests of physical endurance/pain in non-Western societies? I can't pretend to understand this, and while I am loathe to condemn it for that reason, I am a little intrigued by the comment suggesting that it is akin to self-harm.
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On this planet, the Europeans have always been the limits-testers and record-breakers. Which explains their holding most of the Nobel Prizes.
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I think that only in rich white enclaves of Western societies is this type of extreme-endurance behaviour uncoupled from religion.
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Narcissism. If you have the misfortune to meet one of these people at a party, work function, or on the train, I give it less than thirty seconds until any conversation is redirected to their ultratriathlon training.
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You're too quick to assume. Who's to say that you wouldn't do the same had you completed such a challenging endeavor.
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maybe some people just want to personally challenge themselves and see what they are capable of...
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I would think the opposite, I would think the process of training dissolves the ego. For most people, actions usually speak louder than words.
Most people that is other than those who aren't predisposed to inventing hypothetical scenarios from the anonymous comfort of an online comments board in an effort to make themselves feel superior to complete strangers for committing imaginary transgressions against them.
Most people that is other than those who aren't predisposed to inventing hypothetical scenarios from the anonymous comfort of an online comments board in an effort to make themselves feel superior to complete strangers for committing imaginary transgressions against them.
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Why isn't it called "Advil" rather than "Anvil?"
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Same reason as to why people mountain climb: self-fulfillment. Some seek this through religion, drugs, writing, etc. To each their own. I'm happy with reading the Times and drinking coffee.
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What's over the next hill, around the next bend of the river, what's across the sea? That's what pushes some these people. Some had Fathers, Mothers, or brothers or best friends or others pass away and they needed something to dedicate themselves to. Maybe they knew someone who wished all drugs were legal, and that spent their life pursuing that dream.
Maybe they just lost the TV remote.
Maybe they just lost the TV remote.
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One thing all share is too much time on their hands.
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On their hands? On their feet and butts!
While I've only done century (100 mile) races, I can understand the journey. I remember when I first started cycling and thought one mile would kill me but persisted. And then one day I reached the mile marker and my body almost talked to me and said "Hey, I'm not tired." From there I upped the miles and then began to ask myself how "fast" I could do the miles and each time met the challenge. In an age when so many of us lose ourselves behind a desk and never experience really testing our limits I salute these people, no matter how crazy it all seems.
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Nice humblebrag Cherrie. But please, I interrupted, you were saying....
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That's alright RS, all that couch sitting, phone watching, and heavy lifting to change the channel doesn't do much for the attention span...
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From a doctor's point of view, all this is physiologic suicide. Aren't there laws against aiding and abetting suicide?
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Depends what state you are in.
Guess by that logic we should start rounding up all those people who smoke, drink, over-eat, don't exercise, drive too fast, don't get regular check-ups, etc., etc., etc.
#firstworldproblems
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Nah. Zero world problems.
Where are the smiles? All these people look drastically unhappy. Why do something so radical that causes little else than pain? What happened to moderation? Life is a lot more fun than that.
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Moderation is boring, not fun. The vast majority of people never take risks, never push themselves to the limit, never invent new things, and never climb Mt. Everest. Books are not written about people who daydream but do nothing, except Walter Mitty.
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Others spend their energy doing good, helping others, affecting change-- and they do it quietly, modestly
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I can't agree. Herman Melville wrote Moby Dick during his free time after his day job. The person I'd most like to sit next to at a dinner party is Jane Austen. I have a thousand questions for her. I have nothing really for an ultra-marathoner. Ordinary people do extraordinary things all the time. There are plenty of books about them. Nobody remembers ultramarathoners.
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"The body should be treated more rigorously, that it may not be disobedient to the mind.”
― Seneca
― Seneca
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Umm, yeah. No way.
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However. There are people who live their lives in pain, not by choice. Healthy people get to test and challenge themselves. Try chronic diseases. There are no support teams. Those people deserve the applause.
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Why do you assume that people with chronic diseases don't do this stuff?
I assure you, they do. For example, folks with Type 1 diabetes and other serious autoimmune diseases do everything from 5Ks to full Ironman events to ultramarathons to ultraswims and more. They climb mountains, play in the NFL and NBA and much, much more.
I assure you, they do. For example, folks with Type 1 diabetes and other serious autoimmune diseases do everything from 5Ks to full Ironman events to ultramarathons to ultraswims and more. They climb mountains, play in the NFL and NBA and much, much more.
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Some people self mutilate, some become anorexic, these people do this and receive applause.
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I'll bet this could be analyzed. Now we have brain scans. Are the same pleasure centers lighting up for ultra-marathoners as for self-mutilators?
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I thought I could read through these comments and try to respond in a positive way if people truly were curious about the race and competitors but I should have know there would be some that were just looking to bash anything to make themselves feel good. Truly sad state of affairs that so many have put a thumbs up. People that self mutilate and individuals that have anorexia have a disease. My guess is you do also. Enjoy your "applause" for your comment.
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This article documents the massive emptiness some of us feel and our attempts to fill what we feel is missing. When taking safety into account, it seems highly unlikely that this kind of endeavor is beneficial. Maybe that's one of the reasons people live longer when married as a spouse can often point out the things we do that aren't so helpful or protective.
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Huh? How do you know these people aren't married? We all have in our lives loved ones who can point us in the right (or wrong) direction. What does marriage have to do with it? Weird.
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You've obviously never tried. You will never know. It's not emptiness that drives them. It is the idea of achieving what for many seems an impossible goal and of testing themselves.
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I had been doing the half ironman distance for ten years. And I used to do 12 hours of pure cardio per week. Plus weights and yoga. And why can't it be both emptiness and a desire to succeed and prove we can do something we thought we couldn't? But having been in triathlete stuff it seems to me that its to damaging and why does someone need to prove they can do something that could be permanently injurious? Why don't they do five triathlons in a row and try to do it without drinking water? Then they would be really special?
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As someone who has done a fair amount of endurance cycling and is trying to step up their game in endurance activities (principally climbing), I've come to realize how right Shanda Hill is. After a while it is all mental. Therein lies a big part of the challenge, and the beauty (if you ignore the blisters).
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I don't know... Seems more likely that these people also have worked up to this point and have physically changed their bodies enough to be able to endure this much physical strain (for example developing fibrosis of the heart - I guess it helps in cases of prolonged elevated heart rates?).
I would also guess that they are naturally hardier than most. The person you mention above, Hill? Didn't the article mention that she had been an athlete from youth?
I would also guess that they are naturally hardier than most. The person you mention above, Hill? Didn't the article mention that she had been an athlete from youth?
My point is, I'm realizing that after you get to a certain condition, going above and beyond is way more a mental thing than physical, in my experience.
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You understand! This race was 90% mental and we spent a lot more time having fun then we did "suffering,"
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If it's legal to do something this stupid, all drugs should be legalized too. The damage to their bodies i can't even imagine.
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Just because it is hard doesn't mean it's not boring. As well as pointless.
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Then you are the reader Randy was writing to when he said, "If you have to ask, you will never know." As one of the 8 finishers I can tell you I am very happy I do not live in your "box" of how things should be. Your "stupid" comment is out of line and probably says a lot more about you then it does those wonderful individuals I had the privilege of racing with. If you would truly like to know something about the race or the individuals feel free to ask. I can tell you that all of us within three weeks of the race are all back to training and racing. Have a nice day.
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To some of us, "boring and pointless" may be sitting at home watching TV, spending hours in commute, etc. Or please list what you enjoy and I am guessing someone may find it boring or pointless. Two sides to a coin. Enjoy your day!
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"If you have to ask, you will never know." Well, that answers my question: "WHY?"
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We all had our "Why's" they were just not published. Feel free to look up my facebook and read the rebuttal to the article and it will give you another side to the race. Randy did a great job, but we all did not look like the pictures and there was a lot more smiling than suffering. You could also go to usaultratri.com and read about the race and the race reports. BTW, for me it was just the next step in a journey that started years ago. My goal is the "continuous" DECA. in 2018, so the "quint" was only half of that. Have a great day