Many Americans lost their lives, their limbs and in too many cases their minds defending this nation. The Khan family is not unique in this tragedy. However, we will also remember those who murdered their fellow Americans in Orlando, in San Bernardino, at the Boston Marathon, at Fort Hook and an attempted mass murder in Chelsea. We will remember the Christians, gays and ethnic minorities who are being persecuted and slaughtered throughout the Muslim world. Perhaps if Muslims in America took a stronger stand on human rights both in America and within Muslim cultures, they would gain the respect they claim to desire.
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Khizr Khan's son was a hero for sure, but Khizr Khan himself exploited the EB5 visa program and financially benefited by assisting wealthy foreigners, usually from the Middle East, to essentially buy their way into America. U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has raised alarms about this.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-de...
I do not see this practice as patriotic or beneficial to the US or American citizens at all, just the contrary.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-de...
I do not see this practice as patriotic or beneficial to the US or American citizens at all, just the contrary.
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Trump is a disgrace. All citizens are equal.
Period.
Period.
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The author objects to Muslims being used as political props, but that is exactly the role served by Khizr Khan and wife at the Democratic convention last summer. He served as a useful tool for the Clinton campaign, and Donald Trump, to his vast discredit, took the bait. Mr. Khan stepped on a partisan stage at the ultimate partisan event, a national political convention, and was used just as much as a "Mr. Potato Head counterterrorism expert."
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As an fellow American & former US Army soldier, I offer my sincerest apologies to the Khan family who have lost their brave son, and had to endure the insensitivities and ridicule of Donald Trump based solely on their religious beliefs & ethic background. I remember all to well my own mother standing behind my father as he began crying while trying to say a prayer over our Thanksgiving meal, the first Thanksgiving after my brother was killed in Vietnam. His chair at the table was empty for the first time. My mother stood their stoically and silent as well, with her hand firmly on my dad's shoulder to comfort him. Fittingly, my mother was born on May 31, Memorial Day, and she flew the American flag every day as a symbol of a nation formed by a multitude of people of different colors and creeds - United in a common purpose. Sometimes mothers don't speak, but their actions and presence provide comfort and unite us all in the hope of a better and more peaceful world.
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This family and their terrible loss, caused by the Bush/Cheney administration, have been exploited by Clinton for political reasons.
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Wasn't it hypocritical and sad that Obama had to PRETEND to be ani-LGBT, anti-secrecy, anti-Gitmo, and to banish headscarf wearing women to create the illusion he was not a Muslim?
Looks like the Dems have no problem with pretending to be anything as long as it gets them the votes.
Looks like the Dems have no problem with pretending to be anything as long as it gets them the votes.
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Aaron, I'm not sure that you can speak for the other 99% of Americans. But you are right there does seem to be a percentage of Americans who are waiting for Muslims to denounce terrorism. Meanwhile, Muslims are denouncing the terrorism all over the place. And on occasion, the media will see fit to put a camera in front of one of them, or to quote one in an article. Mr. Ali can and will write about whatever he wants to write about. It's ignorant to say that just because you have not sought out and found the Muslim commentary on terrorism, that every time you come across a Muslim somewhere he better be talking about terrorism. You may not realize this, but in fact what you are protesting is any kind of normalization of Muslims in our society; there is an expectation that the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorist' should always be associated, and it is a rule violation for a Muslim to just ... be. Today Wajahat Ali speaks and fails to mention terror, Who knows maybe tomorrow you'll see a Muslim family in an orange juice commercial that fails to put them in the 'appropriate' context.
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In a multicultural society, in which everyone believes that they have equal right to live as they please, there will always be confrontation and negotiation about how we coexist. There’s no absolute right or wrong here; different people see things differently. No opinion is better than another. No one’s blood is redder than anyone else’s. But if all religions recognized this, world history would be much different.
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thanks for your courage Muslim brothers and sisters. your lives and dreams and rights are just as important as mine.
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The sacrifice of a Humayun Khan is more than nullified by the atrocities of the likes of Nidal Hassan, Farouk Roseanne, Tashfeen Malik, and Omar Mateen.
Let's get some perspective here, shall we? The desperate Times is distorting why Trump is in favor of extreme vetting of migrants from regions where terrorists roost.
Get real.
Let's get some perspective here, shall we? The desperate Times is distorting why Trump is in favor of extreme vetting of migrants from regions where terrorists roost.
Get real.
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Too bad the only way to effectively oppose the race-baiting clown is to vote for Clinton, who is guilty of murdering Captain Kahn by cynically voting for a pointless war.
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Mike Pence voted for the war also. Oh, wait, he is a man so it's ok.
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Well if Mr. Khan loves our American Constitution as much as he says he does, respects and upholds it, I can only see it as irony that he would jump on the bandwagon to ridicule and demean the "Free Speech" of the opposing candidate. Anyone with true concern about Mr. Kahn, should warn him against being used/abused as a pawn by any political party and if he knows what's best, tells them both to go fight their own fight and leave him out of it.
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The apparent lack of civil liberties in muslim majority countries cannot be used to justify bigotry against American muslims. In fact, most muslims who choose to live in America do so because they want to live in a fair and just country, just like many HIndus, who prefer to live in America, instead of living in a hindu majority country.
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As this ghoulish, absurd spectacle of an election sputters to the finish line, we can confidently say there is one winner: American Muslims.
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Ghoulish, absurd spectacle that passes for election, huh?
That sums up the attitude of ONE Muslim American about American democracy.
Welcome aboard.
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Ghoulish, absurd spectacle that passes for election, huh?
That sums up the attitude of ONE Muslim American about American democracy.
Welcome aboard.
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Khizr Khan voters should work to provide same rights they demand in the USA to non-Muslims in Islamic nations. These champions of democracy should help stamp out the divisive and anti-women, anti-gay, anti-minority sharia law from Islamic nations to make this planet a better place!
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Sorry, your religion is the cause of much too much suffering and bigotry in today’s world for me to embrace. You as an individual or any other person, not a problem, I welcome you. Make me accept you with the hyphen you have given yourself, not going to happen.
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It is a funny world, I do not see the life style and cultural aspects not to mention religious belief system of most Muslims as aligning as natural allies with liberals,. When John McCain made his famous remark in 2000, "Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right," I learned for the first time that some people thought that Louis Farrakhan was liberal!! That was certainly news to me!
How many Muslims are known for their support for LGBT rights? Equal rights for women? Strong support for Israel? It is a funny alliance. The liberals are using the Muslims for potential votes, and the Muslims are using the liberals as well, to support their interests, but I otherwise do not see that their core interests align much at all.
How many Muslims are known for their support for LGBT rights? Equal rights for women? Strong support for Israel? It is a funny alliance. The liberals are using the Muslims for potential votes, and the Muslims are using the liberals as well, to support their interests, but I otherwise do not see that their core interests align much at all.
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I am not sure what "good" will come out of voting for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, instead of Hilary Clinton. For the woman who has shown self-respect by vowing to vote for a third party--the Jill Stein's of America will be perpetually marginal figures. Get it, please. Study the history of America and you will realize that folks like Stein, overtly political and socialistic in their bent, are bigger pariahs to the mainstream electorate than are American Muslims.
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The writer seems to think Muslims are treated unfairly but is afraid to make his point. He does refer to "extreme vetting" but I would think that Muslims would be in favor of "extreme vetting" if they have come to America to escape radicalism. However, Pew polls show many in favor of Sharia law which certainly conflicts with the US Constitution. The EU has accommodated child brides, rape and sharia law leading to backlash from the natives who appear to not agree with the elites that it is all just cultural enhancement. Linda Sarsour supported Bernie Sanders the Socialist and also is in favor of the radical Palestinian Jihad. I do not consider her an American hero. Americans do not want to be a Muslim country. We are an open liberal culture. Does Muslim "swagger" include forcing Americans to accommodate Sharia law as the EU has done? If any group is "picked on" it is Jewish Americans who suffer the most from Anti semitic crime but save that topic for another day.
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Any group that comes here and refuses to assimilate into American culture is going to be suspiciously regarded as "the other". This goes double when a substantial minority from the same group repeatedly engages in violence against Americans. It's a free country so we won't force you to assimilate, but lack of acceptance is the consequence of that decision.
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Trump called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" back in December, over a month before the first primary. His original statement didn't even make an exception for US citizens or permanent residents who happen to be Muslim. It's hard to imagine a presidential candidate calling for a more blatant infringement of First Amendment rights.
Somehow, many people find Trump's attacks on a Gold Star family to be a graver sin than the rhetoric against Muslims that prompted the Khans to speak in the first place. He took more flack for his inability to restrain himself on Twitter than he did for calling for religious discrimination at the border.
So many of the controversies that have wounded Trump over the last several months have been fundamentally personal in nature. I agree that his treatment of women, his attacks on a Gold Star family, etc. show that his "winning temperament" is not an appropriate temperament for a president. That is a valid line of political attack and reason enough not to vote for him for president.
Still, it troubles me that even Trump's most disturbing policy proposals have, for many, seemed to take a back seat to his personality flaws. What will happen to our country when someone with better self control comes along and spouts Trump's rhetoric?
Somehow, many people find Trump's attacks on a Gold Star family to be a graver sin than the rhetoric against Muslims that prompted the Khans to speak in the first place. He took more flack for his inability to restrain himself on Twitter than he did for calling for religious discrimination at the border.
So many of the controversies that have wounded Trump over the last several months have been fundamentally personal in nature. I agree that his treatment of women, his attacks on a Gold Star family, etc. show that his "winning temperament" is not an appropriate temperament for a president. That is a valid line of political attack and reason enough not to vote for him for president.
Still, it troubles me that even Trump's most disturbing policy proposals have, for many, seemed to take a back seat to his personality flaws. What will happen to our country when someone with better self control comes along and spouts Trump's rhetoric?
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It was a sad fact that Obama's organization wouldn't allow the two Muslim women on the stage for his initial run for the presidency in 2008. I'd guess that after a long internal debate, they decided the downside of their appearance was harder to deal with than what they finally decided. It's also sad that the religion of a candidate is a factor such as Kennedy's Catholic faith in 1960. Who the candidate shares the stage with is carefully monitored... That's why Trump's handlers never allow an orangutan on the podium while he is speaking.
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"We are Americans, and alienating us could prove to be politically costly."
Is that a threat?
And what happened to "Do not ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."?
Sorry, but integration looks different from what his article shows.
Is that a threat?
And what happened to "Do not ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."?
Sorry, but integration looks different from what his article shows.
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Thank to Wajahat Ali for writing this column to remind us that the struggle for Khizr Khan and Ghazala Khan will continue long after this surreal and weird election is over. I hope the patriotic couple can bring more American-Muslims into their fold. Sadly, we have not heard many Muslim voices ring out loud each time Donald Trump threatened to ban a whole religion from entering America!
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The man who is Homosexual who commented before me here indirectly hits the nail on the head in this issue.
Multi-Ethnic vs. Multi-Cultural.
I have lunch every week with a collection of men. All are first, or second, or third generation Americans. One is Greek, One is Russia Christian, one is Russian Jew, one is Asian, and the oldest family tree in the USA person is Hispanic-Irish.
All of us are respectful types, have no obvious racial bias, and are not homophobic.
When the issue of immigrants comes up however, there is fierce concern.
That concern is that we have moved from the melting pot to a Balkanized country. What concerns this group is that the trend to embrace the multi-ethnic has become a cover to have a "Macro Multi Cultural America".
We used to have a micro multi cultural America. My mother, who's parents did not speak English, insisted that she speak English by the time she hit first grade. My friends talk about similar tales in their family tree.
Because immigrants kids today watch their own media, speak their "old world" languages, and insist on a "balken village" within the USA, they end up giving cover for the hate mongers who push their nasty wares.
In our lunch club case, we are ethnic in our homes. But we are all melted pot Americans at the diner booth.
There needs to be an honest exchange on the issue of being a multi-ethnic and/or multi-cultural country and what it portends for the future of American cohesion.
Multi-Ethnic vs. Multi-Cultural.
I have lunch every week with a collection of men. All are first, or second, or third generation Americans. One is Greek, One is Russia Christian, one is Russian Jew, one is Asian, and the oldest family tree in the USA person is Hispanic-Irish.
All of us are respectful types, have no obvious racial bias, and are not homophobic.
When the issue of immigrants comes up however, there is fierce concern.
That concern is that we have moved from the melting pot to a Balkanized country. What concerns this group is that the trend to embrace the multi-ethnic has become a cover to have a "Macro Multi Cultural America".
We used to have a micro multi cultural America. My mother, who's parents did not speak English, insisted that she speak English by the time she hit first grade. My friends talk about similar tales in their family tree.
Because immigrants kids today watch their own media, speak their "old world" languages, and insist on a "balken village" within the USA, they end up giving cover for the hate mongers who push their nasty wares.
In our lunch club case, we are ethnic in our homes. But we are all melted pot Americans at the diner booth.
There needs to be an honest exchange on the issue of being a multi-ethnic and/or multi-cultural country and what it portends for the future of American cohesion.
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Always convenient to have this conversation after you are here.
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Detroit has a large Muslim population. About 30% in the primaries voted for TRUMP. No Muslim will admit that he is a TRUMP supporter for fear of retribution. Muslim massive immigration will change the modus vivendi here in Dearborn and beyond. The infusion of young male Muslims, only 30% of which are Syrian mixed with a crowd of folks from many countries, different dialects, different Islam, no skills, no assets, some radical, some criminal, some with serious health problems will be a burden on the Muslim community here. These new comers will seek "family unification" augmented by "bigamy". Big mouth Muslim zealots such as Khizar Khan an Afghani are estimated to be about 20%. President Obama decreased the vetting to 3 months but these aliens have no papers and no place to check who they are. The Muslim community understands the reality well, better than those who advocate Muslim immigration. Only 1% of these immigrants are Christians. TRUMP is for legal Muslim immigration so are most Muslim Americans.
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Capt Khan was an American hero.....but, he was killed by moslems, not by the GOP
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American Muslims-by asserting their religious identity for politics-- are advancing the jihadi agenda. That includes demands for prayer-breaks during workday from employers; availability of Halal foods in the food stamp program; refusal of Muslim cabbies to ferry passengers carrying liquor in their luggage; establishment of sharia courts; creation of special attire for Muslim women participating in sports. Surprised!! This is what Muslim immigrants from Somalia recently have been demanding in the Midwest. By the way, more than 20 Somalis were charged and convicted for their support of Islamic terrorism in the region.
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Did Trump call for vetting Muslims, or for vetting potential immigrants from countries that are breeding grounds for terrorists?
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I sure hope so. It is one of my fondest dreams. VOTE DEMOCRAT! For the good of our country, the ENTIRE country.
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During a recent interview by a BBC reporter, a Muslim American from Michigan said he will not vote for Hillary, given that she represents the same "anti-Muslim" policies of Obama who has killed more innocent Muslim civilians in his drone campaign than any other hate-monger would have done.
Obama has deported more Latinos and earned the title, 'deporter in chief'. He has killed more Muslim citizens who are not terrorists in the Pakistan-Afghan border, a region well known to Khizr.
Khizr 'uncle' is being hypocritical. He runs an immigration service helping Muslims immigrate to this country, and he thinks Hillary would be a better bet for his business than Trump would be.
Shameless.
Obama has deported more Latinos and earned the title, 'deporter in chief'. He has killed more Muslim citizens who are not terrorists in the Pakistan-Afghan border, a region well known to Khizr.
Khizr 'uncle' is being hypocritical. He runs an immigration service helping Muslims immigrate to this country, and he thinks Hillary would be a better bet for his business than Trump would be.
Shameless.
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This Op-Ed is exactly the kind of thing that could tip the election for Trump? Khan was making a fallacious argument about the Constitution, saying that Abrahamic religious child sacrifice to [G-d, God or] Allah is constitutional, which it is not. Within 2 weeks of Clinton showcasing Khan at her convention, over 70 secular lawyers were killed in Pakistan by people trying to impose Islamic law. It's not that difficult to find a more responsible person from Pakistan; why did Clinton showcase Khan's exploitative and abusive argument?
The theory that Islamic voters in Florida tipped the balance for W. Bush's election - and his invasion of Iraq - is well-publicized in the alt-right world that hates the Bushes as much it hates the Clintons and that supports Trump's Henry VIII-Northman style anti-Establishment campaign.
I have no idea whether Clinton is truly so naive and incompetent on the law and what is going on the world as not to understand the problem with showcasing Khan's fallacious argument about Abrahamic laws of ritual child sacrifice INSTEAD OF a more responsible person from Pakistan, or whether it was just pure cynicism on her part.
Combined with showcasing Alicia Machado (who has basically admitted to threatening the life of a judge in a murder trial) instead of a more responsible person from Venezuela, it could lose her the election.
The theory that Islamic voters in Florida tipped the balance for W. Bush's election - and his invasion of Iraq - is well-publicized in the alt-right world that hates the Bushes as much it hates the Clintons and that supports Trump's Henry VIII-Northman style anti-Establishment campaign.
I have no idea whether Clinton is truly so naive and incompetent on the law and what is going on the world as not to understand the problem with showcasing Khan's fallacious argument about Abrahamic laws of ritual child sacrifice INSTEAD OF a more responsible person from Pakistan, or whether it was just pure cynicism on her part.
Combined with showcasing Alicia Machado (who has basically admitted to threatening the life of a judge in a murder trial) instead of a more responsible person from Venezuela, it could lose her the election.
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Hey editors of the NY Times...I can tell how dismal the mood must be in your ivory tower this morning. The best indication is that you run a story about Muslim voter turnout against Trump on the same website as your story headlined "Black Turnout Falls in Early Voting, a Bad Sign for Clinton."
The latter is the definitive danger that will make Trump president. Not even the black community trusts Hillary anymore. I wonder why. Maybe even blacks got tired of being enslaved on the Democratic plantation--away from the prosperity, independence and hope of free enterprise, suppressed by Democrats for decades.
The latter is the definitive danger that will make Trump president. Not even the black community trusts Hillary anymore. I wonder why. Maybe even blacks got tired of being enslaved on the Democratic plantation--away from the prosperity, independence and hope of free enterprise, suppressed by Democrats for decades.
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"we make up about 1 percent of the population"
Let's keep it that way. Larger proportions have ruined other countries (see France).
Let's keep it that way. Larger proportions have ruined other countries (see France).
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I believe diversity is America'c strength.
More power to you.
More power to you.
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NYT should take down the illustration accompanying this piece. The US flag should not be used as a garment, hijab or otherwise.
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We have a major problem in the world where people keep blowing themselves up, and killing others, based on Islamic doctrine. It's not "Islamophobia" to point this out. Typically the left doesn't wait five minutes for the bodies of the most recent attack to be cleaned up, before complaining about the "backlash" against Muslims. Can't we honestly debate the link between Islam and terrorism? We need moderate Muslims in this fight, after all. This column does nothing to help matters and just increases divisiveness.
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This guy is nothing but a tool of the CLinton Campaign. He has been that from the start. Leave his son out of this. I found it disgusting that the family would allow their son to be used by the DNC - the whole family is disgusting in the way they allow their son to be used as DNC trophy.
No family who truly loved and respected their son and his death, would have stooped so low as to allow the DNC to use him and them. They are simply a disgusting, greedy family.
No family who truly loved and respected their son and his death, would have stooped so low as to allow the DNC to use him and them. They are simply a disgusting, greedy family.
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Do you feel the same way about the mother who lost her son in Bengazi who was used by the RNC at the Republican convention? How disgusted you must feel with the Trump campaign.
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Shame on you for abusing a gold star family. Please keep your venom and hatred to yourself
To Mr. Khan, Your speech at the convention was like a bolt of lightening. Your son became a powerful reminder to all of us about what true patriotism and sacrifice is. I hope that his memory will forever be with us, that Hillary wins in a resounding defeat and that we may all now call you Khizr Uncle.
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It is striking how so many Muslims want in to a country that is in many ways diametrically opposite core Muslim values and views. Watching two Gold Star parents is moving, until you really look at the grieving Mother, wrapped in traditional Muslim clothing; and you realize she is more like an Orthodox Jew or a Fundamentalist Christian or Mormon in her bearing and relationship to libertine America.
Muslims are the new "group of interest", and Democrats are putting together a strong "pitch" for their votes. But it is a tenuous offer, not unlike the appeal of Democrats to conservative Hispanic Catholics: love the ethnicity, not the faith. To nail down this group, any Democratic appeal will need to secularize Muslims who hold faith as central.
It is sweet to see American Liberals so open-armed to conservative Muslims, Democrats' new flavor of the month. It would be even more winsome to see Democrats AND Republicans stick to coming up with faith-aware policy for "one America", because the nation is becoming more factionalized with each passing year and cynical overture.
Muslims are not just upset with Americans "invading their lands". A large part of the Muslim character is under assault by differences in core beliefs. You can start with Shariah, and you can carry it through to the modern Muslim woman whom the West must fully liberate, while retaining her husband's compliance, to complete the conversion.
It will be no cake-walk for Democrats or for Americans generally.
Muslims are the new "group of interest", and Democrats are putting together a strong "pitch" for their votes. But it is a tenuous offer, not unlike the appeal of Democrats to conservative Hispanic Catholics: love the ethnicity, not the faith. To nail down this group, any Democratic appeal will need to secularize Muslims who hold faith as central.
It is sweet to see American Liberals so open-armed to conservative Muslims, Democrats' new flavor of the month. It would be even more winsome to see Democrats AND Republicans stick to coming up with faith-aware policy for "one America", because the nation is becoming more factionalized with each passing year and cynical overture.
Muslims are not just upset with Americans "invading their lands". A large part of the Muslim character is under assault by differences in core beliefs. You can start with Shariah, and you can carry it through to the modern Muslim woman whom the West must fully liberate, while retaining her husband's compliance, to complete the conversion.
It will be no cake-walk for Democrats or for Americans generally.
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Wajahat, not being a Muslim myself, I felt the pain the pain and humiliation that the Muslims of America and elsewhere felt when Trump started his rhetoric against the Muslim religion each time a gunman with a Muslim last name killed anyone.
He would've called any Muslim person a terrorist even if that person killed a pig.
But he was totally silent when hundreds of White Americans killed hundreds of innocent bystanders in school library like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in Columbine High School,Colorado where they killed 8 students and maimed 24 more.
Even Dylann Roof who killed 9 Black innocent parishioners in an African American church in Charleston,SC doesn't qualify as a terrorist in Trump's world.
He spent more than $100,000 taking out an ad in NYT in the 80's calling for death penalty for 'Central Park 5' just because they supposedly raped and beat up a White jogger. Even now, after those innocent 5 kids who've grown up, he's refusing to admit his mistake.He still wants them them hanged just because 4 of them were Black and 1 Hispanic.
This Hitler's prodigy never called Timothy McVeigh, who killed 168 people and injured hundreds others in Oklahoma and terrorized the whole country in the '90s. a terrorist in his entire life and also in any of his campaign stops.
But he sure likes to supervise all the mosques and places where Muslims like you gather but wants to look the other way where people of his color gather even after a mass shooting by these White Terrorists.
He would've called any Muslim person a terrorist even if that person killed a pig.
But he was totally silent when hundreds of White Americans killed hundreds of innocent bystanders in school library like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in Columbine High School,Colorado where they killed 8 students and maimed 24 more.
Even Dylann Roof who killed 9 Black innocent parishioners in an African American church in Charleston,SC doesn't qualify as a terrorist in Trump's world.
He spent more than $100,000 taking out an ad in NYT in the 80's calling for death penalty for 'Central Park 5' just because they supposedly raped and beat up a White jogger. Even now, after those innocent 5 kids who've grown up, he's refusing to admit his mistake.He still wants them them hanged just because 4 of them were Black and 1 Hispanic.
This Hitler's prodigy never called Timothy McVeigh, who killed 168 people and injured hundreds others in Oklahoma and terrorized the whole country in the '90s. a terrorist in his entire life and also in any of his campaign stops.
But he sure likes to supervise all the mosques and places where Muslims like you gather but wants to look the other way where people of his color gather even after a mass shooting by these White Terrorists.
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"we can confidently say there is one winner: American Muslims. . . . treated with fairness instead of being used as political props"
Says the political prop used by Hillary. You'll get nothing from her, respect least of all.
Says the political prop used by Hillary. You'll get nothing from her, respect least of all.
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The Khan's son's death in service of this country is commendable, as is the death of any person who dies for this country.
The use of that death, pro or con, Trump or Hillary, for political gain is disgraceful.
Drop your religion, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Baptist, Lutheran, Jehovah's Witness etc. In the can at the corner for 10 minutes and VOTE.
The use of that death, pro or con, Trump or Hillary, for political gain is disgraceful.
Drop your religion, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Baptist, Lutheran, Jehovah's Witness etc. In the can at the corner for 10 minutes and VOTE.
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Khizr Khan sounds all American indeed. Just like Sharia law.
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If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
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The sad fact is that anyone who votes third party is giving a vote that helps Trump. There is a better candidate. None of the third party candidates is better than Clinton for anyone in the US. Trump is an immediate danger to this country. You are not just throwing away your vote with a third party vote, you are taking one vote away from a person who is the only one who can beat Trump. Do the right thing and vote for the candidate that has the best chance of defeating this immediate danger to our well being. Vote for Clinton....NEVER TRUMP.
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Bush win in Florida against Gore and Engler against Blanchard in Michigan were credited to Muslim vote. Both Republicans won by small margins in a close election. Muslims can change the outcome. I'm a registered Republican turned RINO (Republican in name only) because of the way now GOP treats Muslims, Hispanics and blacks.
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Muslim and other men and some women not supporting Clinton is clearly because of sexism.
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Muslims have a lot to answer for let's hope they get it right.....
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It's great to see Muslims asserting themselves as Americans!
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Contempt for Islamic ideology is no different than contempt for any other deeply conservative ideology. We have freedom to criticize religion in this country. Get over it if you are going to live here.
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Learn more about Islam. It has several branches and is as varied as Christianity. If you don't want to learn more about it, at least withhold your "contempt." Our country doesn't need it.
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Our process as ugly as it is, isn't about choosing winners and losers among various political voting blocks.
Republicans and Democrats have different philosophies of governing that should both be about the best result for the vast majority of Americans.
Identity politics is why we are where we are. I'm glad more citizens are participating. I'm very sad they are participating because of identity politics.
It's clear we need to fix our broken Justice system and reinstitute a sense of fairness so our government can function for the public good.
Republicans and Democrats have different philosophies of governing that should both be about the best result for the vast majority of Americans.
Identity politics is why we are where we are. I'm glad more citizens are participating. I'm very sad they are participating because of identity politics.
It's clear we need to fix our broken Justice system and reinstitute a sense of fairness so our government can function for the public good.
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I applaud Mr. Khan for condemning terrorism. But he appears to be in the minority of a minority.
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Donald Trump may yet prove to be an agent of positive change, despite his intense efforts to the contrary. One great good that he has inadvertently engendered was the opportunity for non-Muslims to get to know the Khan family. Kizhr Khan is clearly an intelligent, educated, articulate and caring man. Gahzala Khan's silent grief spoke volumes. Unfortunately it took tragedy for us to get to know them, along with the ignorant, egomaniacal bluster of Donald trump.
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Whether we are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, or any other religion or ethnicity we are Americans. We come together every four years to vote for a president. It doesn't matter if we are heterosexual, transgendered, gay, lesbian, bisexual, asexual, etc. All that matters is that we are Americans over the age of 18 who have registered to vote and that we exercise that right.
What part of this does the GOP and Trump not understand?
What part of this does the GOP and Trump not understand?
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"It is affirming to see that eight years after America elected its first “Muslim, socialist, Kenyan” president, some people are openly embracing Muslims",
The Khizr khan voters can have some hope that this country might even elect a Muslim president before even consider electing an atheist or a gay as a president of this country. After all America is a religious country, a Christian nation. Muslims would be acceptable at some point but this country will take centuries before they even consider electing an atheist.
The Khizr khan voters can have some hope that this country might even elect a Muslim president before even consider electing an atheist or a gay as a president of this country. After all America is a religious country, a Christian nation. Muslims would be acceptable at some point but this country will take centuries before they even consider electing an atheist.
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I'm not Muslim. I'm a non-believer raised as a Christian.
But I'm a Khizr Khan voter. For my friends, my colleagues (many! of them are Muslim), my physicians my favorite restaurateurs, and for the principles my country was founded on, I am a Khizr Khan voter.
But I'm a Khizr Khan voter. For my friends, my colleagues (many! of them are Muslim), my physicians my favorite restaurateurs, and for the principles my country was founded on, I am a Khizr Khan voter.
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"A Virginia businessman, Sajid Tarar, started something he called American Muslims for Trump and gave the closing prayer at the Republican convention. He was booed."
This one sentence of the entire column tells me that American Muslims have no place "in Trump's World", as Khizr Khan puts it so emotionally in the TV ad. When I first watched this ad, I wondered if Mr. Khan was being exploited rather than honored. But then it hit me: all this engagement on the Clinton Front must be his new cause, his new mission to elevate the memory of his hero-son killed fighting for a nation where a fairly high percentage view all American Muslims as eager jihadists.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the group second most targeted (after Mexicans) by Trump from the inception of his campaign might add the final push of Clinton over the finish line?
Payback feels wonderful, but there's a lot more at stake for this maligned group than simply electing a President who's on their side. American Muslims have an understandable chip on their shoulder after seeing their nationality become slur on the first African President, with the potential for being outright banned (or interned) like WWII Japanese by a Republican successor.
While I feared for Mr. Khan being induced to become a political football, I now realize that he's honoring his son in the most effective way possible: as a witness to the value and gifts of every non-native citizen brings to the table.
This one sentence of the entire column tells me that American Muslims have no place "in Trump's World", as Khizr Khan puts it so emotionally in the TV ad. When I first watched this ad, I wondered if Mr. Khan was being exploited rather than honored. But then it hit me: all this engagement on the Clinton Front must be his new cause, his new mission to elevate the memory of his hero-son killed fighting for a nation where a fairly high percentage view all American Muslims as eager jihadists.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the group second most targeted (after Mexicans) by Trump from the inception of his campaign might add the final push of Clinton over the finish line?
Payback feels wonderful, but there's a lot more at stake for this maligned group than simply electing a President who's on their side. American Muslims have an understandable chip on their shoulder after seeing their nationality become slur on the first African President, with the potential for being outright banned (or interned) like WWII Japanese by a Republican successor.
While I feared for Mr. Khan being induced to become a political football, I now realize that he's honoring his son in the most effective way possible: as a witness to the value and gifts of every non-native citizen brings to the table.
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I am still unable to think of the deliberate attacks on a Gold Star family by a major party presidential candidate without weeping for the soul of the United States of America. We have got to be better than this.
Christians do not understand that they often act as bullies in this country. We need to vote like the Constitution depends on it this time, because it just might. Islamophobia is life-threatening, and, yes, deplorable. All religious hatred is deplorable, and Donald Trump has been whipping up his base with Islamophobic dog whistles and worse this entire campaign. I am appalled.
The Muslim man who spoke at the Republican convention and got booed? Didn't he take that as a sign he was in the wrong place???
Christians do not understand that they often act as bullies in this country. We need to vote like the Constitution depends on it this time, because it just might. Islamophobia is life-threatening, and, yes, deplorable. All religious hatred is deplorable, and Donald Trump has been whipping up his base with Islamophobic dog whistles and worse this entire campaign. I am appalled.
The Muslim man who spoke at the Republican convention and got booed? Didn't he take that as a sign he was in the wrong place???
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Caroline Kenner, I understand the attack on this Gold Star family. Trump and/or the GOP thought that no one would care because they are Muslim and immigrants to boot. They didn't count on us seeing their basic humanity or understanding that being a Muslim or an immigrant doesn't lessen the loss of the son or the sacrifice the son made for his country.
As a Jewish woman I've encountered my share of Christians who think that we are Christ killers who deserve to die, that we are just incomplete Christians to be converted or pitied, and that Christianity is the only religion worth knowing about. Some have acted like they are doing the rest of the religious world a favor by allowing them to exist. What they fail to understand is that Christianity was founded by Jews, Jews protected them for quite a long time, and that no one religion has a monopoly on how to live "rightly". And we can have no religion and still have ethics, morals, charity, and kindness in our lives or as part of our lives. It's how we live and not what we believe that gives us our reputations.
As a Jewish woman I've encountered my share of Christians who think that we are Christ killers who deserve to die, that we are just incomplete Christians to be converted or pitied, and that Christianity is the only religion worth knowing about. Some have acted like they are doing the rest of the religious world a favor by allowing them to exist. What they fail to understand is that Christianity was founded by Jews, Jews protected them for quite a long time, and that no one religion has a monopoly on how to live "rightly". And we can have no religion and still have ethics, morals, charity, and kindness in our lives or as part of our lives. It's how we live and not what we believe that gives us our reputations.
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I am a longtime Pagan priestess and Witch, and a religious rights activist here in DC. I work in alliance with Americans United for Separation of Church and State on these issues.
You Jews may be Christ-killers, but Christianity also teaches "thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live"...... I think our groups were about equal in the historical-suffering-from-Christian-pogroms department.....up until the industrial scale of the Shoah, sigh.
Those of us who are reviving the worship of divinities like Artemis remember the history, too: Christianity was largely tolerated in the ancient polytheistic Mediterranean world, apart from some early, and infrequent pogroms. Christianity was tolerated by the Roman Empire all the way up to when Christians gained enough political power to pull down Great Artemis' temple in Ephesus, one of the wonders of the ancient world, and grind the Goddess' marble palace into dust.
I thank all the Goddesses and Gods I worship for the protections of the Constitution every single day in my prayers. This is not a Christian nation. It has never been a Christian nation. Christians need to stop being the bullies on the block, religiously speaking, here in America.
You Jews may be Christ-killers, but Christianity also teaches "thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live"...... I think our groups were about equal in the historical-suffering-from-Christian-pogroms department.....up until the industrial scale of the Shoah, sigh.
Those of us who are reviving the worship of divinities like Artemis remember the history, too: Christianity was largely tolerated in the ancient polytheistic Mediterranean world, apart from some early, and infrequent pogroms. Christianity was tolerated by the Roman Empire all the way up to when Christians gained enough political power to pull down Great Artemis' temple in Ephesus, one of the wonders of the ancient world, and grind the Goddess' marble palace into dust.
I thank all the Goddesses and Gods I worship for the protections of the Constitution every single day in my prayers. This is not a Christian nation. It has never been a Christian nation. Christians need to stop being the bullies on the block, religiously speaking, here in America.
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A few years ago I was on the subway with one of my students who was wearing a hijab and burka. This man got on the train several stops later and after staring for a few minutes, he said to her, "Hey Terrorist!"
She began to tear up so I called him an "a**h**e"
The tension on the train increased when he said, "What did you say?"
I responded,"we are establishing who we are. She's a terrorist, you are an a**h**e and now we need to determine who I am"
He made a few more threatening noises and finally sat down.
This student has fortunately flourished post high school but it serves as a cautionary tale. My current Muslim students have told me that these types of incidents ha ratcheted up since Trump's Vile and incendiary language has dominated the airways. They are afraid of Trump America
She began to tear up so I called him an "a**h**e"
The tension on the train increased when he said, "What did you say?"
I responded,"we are establishing who we are. She's a terrorist, you are an a**h**e and now we need to determine who I am"
He made a few more threatening noises and finally sat down.
This student has fortunately flourished post high school but it serves as a cautionary tale. My current Muslim students have told me that these types of incidents ha ratcheted up since Trump's Vile and incendiary language has dominated the airways. They are afraid of Trump America
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Thank you for standing up to the bully.
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Some Muslims will vote for Hillary. Some, a few, support Trump. Others will vote for Third Party candidates.
What this article shows is that American Muslim citizens are pretty much like the rest of us American citizens.
Let's keep that in mind going forward.
What this article shows is that American Muslim citizens are pretty much like the rest of us American citizens.
Let's keep that in mind going forward.
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Yep, and the rest of us American citizens are voting to live in a nation that Muslims aren't vilified.
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Another reason why the punk needs to lose and lose badly and decidedly.
#nevertrump
#nevertrump
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One can only hope that no pol panders to adherents of any religion, including Muslims.
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"Pander" ... like.... treating minorities like they were "Real Americans"?
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Muslim women should vote and it's their right to do so. THey should also rebel against being subservient species in their religious culture and rise up and demand equality. Only then will they be a force to be reckoned with in the US. The American people respect those who lash out to be free including within their faith and Muslim women need to sacrifice their ancient role to a equal role in their families and their husbands must give them that place.
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Why does this finger-wagging about gender roles have to accompany statements about immigration? As a woman now finishing her fourth decade in a male-dominated field (microelectronics engineering) I'll give you two observations:
1. American women and American men are still working on equity in gender roles. Especially as concerns child rearing. And it's not that long ago, and I can attest to it, that women were not welcome as equal participants in the business and public spheres here. We're still working on it ourselves.
2. In my workplace, there is a higher proportion of women in hijab working professional roles, than there were women in professional roles where I worked even say 30 years ago. And a higher proportion of Muslim women including those not covered.
The funny thing I notice, it's, in general, people from the same parts of American society (male largely, often religious especially Evangelical Christians) who wag their fingers at the Muslim community regarding gender roles, who were the ones that questioned me for not fulfilling a traditional female role and "taking a good job away from a real family" back 40 years ago. I'm glad for the progress as far as gender roles, but frankly suspicious that it comes so often wrapped in this reference to Islam specifically.
1. American women and American men are still working on equity in gender roles. Especially as concerns child rearing. And it's not that long ago, and I can attest to it, that women were not welcome as equal participants in the business and public spheres here. We're still working on it ourselves.
2. In my workplace, there is a higher proportion of women in hijab working professional roles, than there were women in professional roles where I worked even say 30 years ago. And a higher proportion of Muslim women including those not covered.
The funny thing I notice, it's, in general, people from the same parts of American society (male largely, often religious especially Evangelical Christians) who wag their fingers at the Muslim community regarding gender roles, who were the ones that questioned me for not fulfilling a traditional female role and "taking a good job away from a real family" back 40 years ago. I'm glad for the progress as far as gender roles, but frankly suspicious that it comes so often wrapped in this reference to Islam specifically.
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Banty,
What American woman has to ask permission of her male guardian before she can do something the way Saudi women do? What American woman must legally shroud her head the way women in Iran must? Do I really have to go on with the profoundly unpleasant sexism of the Islamic world?
What American woman has to ask permission of her male guardian before she can do something the way Saudi women do? What American woman must legally shroud her head the way women in Iran must? Do I really have to go on with the profoundly unpleasant sexism of the Islamic world?
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Cat - I'm an American advocating for the kind of American society and political officials in office, that I want to live in that my friends and family of all descriptions can live in happily.
I'll worry about Saudi and Iran later.
To an article about, say, Polish politics, so you say "but this is the problem in Germany"?
I'll worry about Saudi and Iran later.
To an article about, say, Polish politics, so you say "but this is the problem in Germany"?
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Well, let's grant you've learned to play the victim game so encouraged by liberals in their endless quest to create a nation of the "marginalized." Mr. Trump has called for sensible restrictions on immigration from lands known to harbor terrorists. And who can blame you? Political power, endless borrowed dollars from the feds, exciting opportunities to further damage the fraying relations that bind in this country.
I'll be excited to shake your hand when you:
a) insist that Sharia law should never be embraced in the U.S.
b) that we all have a stake in regulating immigration from countries that harbor terrorists
c) that all nations should permit complete freedom of religion, including the right of all religions to prostelytize freely
d) that laws in nations that forbid women from divorce, driving cars, traveling alone, are barbaric.
But I suspect you won't.
I'll be excited to shake your hand when you:
a) insist that Sharia law should never be embraced in the U.S.
b) that we all have a stake in regulating immigration from countries that harbor terrorists
c) that all nations should permit complete freedom of religion, including the right of all religions to prostelytize freely
d) that laws in nations that forbid women from divorce, driving cars, traveling alone, are barbaric.
But I suspect you won't.
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Those countries are no more likely to harbor terrorists than the USA, except when someone shoots up a school/playground/theater in your country you define them as "lone psychos" or "disturbed individuals" rather than terrorists, and then get all defensive when someone tries to reduce those terrorists ability to commit said crimes.
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One hundred years from now most females in the U.S. will be wearing burkas. I hope everyone then learns their history and how this happened in the U.S.
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Only if we have gropers like the Orange guy elected as a leader. Women may end up in burkas protesting sexual assault!!!
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Most Moslems don't even wear burkas. Why would Christians and atheists start wearing them?
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Yesterday, sponsored by the Miller Center at the University of Virginia, Mr. Khan was interviewed and taped for an American Forum TV series and later appeared before some 800 students. His son graduated from UVA and served as an Army officer (after being a member of ROTC) and ultimately was killed in action in Iraq. Mr. Kahn was gracious and spoke eloquently of his love for this country and for our Constitution. This is on Facebook and should be seen. What a tribute to all the loyal Muslims who are part of the fabric of America. What a contrast to the nastiness of our election campaign. It was a breath of fresh air..Finally ,what it says about the greatness of this country and how we can overcome all the nastiness by emphasizing our highest ideals and appealing to the best within us and not to the worst xenophobic instincts.
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If he is so wonderful why did he let himself and his family be used by the DNC? What did they get in return?
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While I have the utmost respect for the sacrifice his son made protecting our country, I can honestly say that I was shocked listening to Khan's speech at the democratic convention. Yes, his words resonated with Americans all over this country. But continuing to use his son's sacrifice for political purposes , prostitutes the Khan family. Hillary and Obama lied to the parents of the four Americans killed in Benghazi. These families have much remorse and pain as your family. Only Hillary would use you for a political ad and I must say I'm not surprised you took the bait. At the families of the 4 Benghazi victims refused to let themselves be used as puppets for political purposes.
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The "political purpose" that "prostitutes the Khan family" would be equal treatment under the law for immigrant and minority Americans.
Considering what Trump and his supporters have said and done, I can easily imagine their son, Humayun, being pretty OK with that.
Considering what Trump and his supporters have said and done, I can easily imagine their son, Humayun, being pretty OK with that.
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You didn't see the press conference where Trump trottted out the mother of o e of the Benghazi casualties? He did.
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The United States needs everyone to participate in making our government work. Democracy is not an easy form of government, but the reward of freedom is a big incentive.
Also the idea that a small group of people cannot make a difference is just plain wrong. Time after time election are won by the smallest of margins, but it is more that just the instant election. It is the showing to all that you really want to make a difference. The idea that your voice is just as meaningful as anyone else's voice is a powerful message.
Also the idea that a small group of people cannot make a difference is just plain wrong. Time after time election are won by the smallest of margins, but it is more that just the instant election. It is the showing to all that you really want to make a difference. The idea that your voice is just as meaningful as anyone else's voice is a powerful message.
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Hopefully, the American Muslims will not waste their votes on third-party candidates.
The only fruitful way is to vote for Mrs. Clinton. They may not like her, but voting in a democracy is not about electing a saint, but most often the lesser evil.
I think I have said this several times, but I will go on saying it whenever it is necessary.
The only fruitful way is to vote for Mrs. Clinton. They may not like her, but voting in a democracy is not about electing a saint, but most often the lesser evil.
I think I have said this several times, but I will go on saying it whenever it is necessary.
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The Khans should contemplate what might have been if Trump’s proposed ban on travel and immigration from Muslims countries noted for exporting terrorists had been put into effect prior to 2001. The three thousand Americans who died on September 11, 20012, might still be alive, including Muslim Americans who died when the Twin Towers collapsed. The costly War on Terrorism with its ghastly casualties might have been averted. The Khan family would still be American entitle to the same rights and privileges as other Americans, but their son might not have died a hero’s death in Iraq. The best time to have imposed a temporary ban on travel and immigration from countries that export terrorism would have been prior to the 9-11 terror attacks. The second best time to impose such a ban is now. U.S. Code § 1182 (Inadmissible Aliens) states: “Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.” If the deaths of thousands of Americans in terror attack doesn’t justify a suspension of travel and immigration from countries that export terrorists, what would?
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So I guess you're in favor of a ban on travel from Saudi Arabia. That's certainly going to go down well over there.
Deaths from Islamophobia in the US = 0
Deaths from Muslim terrorists in the US = 3200+
Any clearer as to which is the more damaging?
Deaths from Muslim terrorists in the US = 3200+
Any clearer as to which is the more damaging?
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I don't understand why people fault her for voting to invade Iraq. When Colin Powel gave that speech at the UN, he forced everyone's hand. He was so respected that no one wanted to believe that he would lie about the evidence or be fooled to endorse false facts. Even now I'm not sure if he lied or was fooled. Few wanted to call President Bush and his entire team of lieing. Of course Republicans would evolve to be the party who insult their President on all issues. Trump insults others at the level of a school yard bully but you can be sure he won't tolerate insults if he becomes President. Both candidates talk of veting Muslim refugees but only one says you can never really trust them and that is Trump and the white supremacists he leads.
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I am not a political person nor a news junlie, yet I new that Powell was not telling the truth. If he really believed what he was saying he is a very naive man, if not he's a dipicable lier.
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This article is an excellent comment on the chief reason why Americans must reject Donald Trump in this year's election. His openly racist beliefs are toxic to any and every social agenda to actually keep America the country that it has been - tolerant, inclusive, welcoming to newcomers, and observant of basic human rights.
There are so many social issues in America that must be addressed if the nation is it is to hold itself up as an example of a socially progressive state outside its borders. One of the key issues is health care. The U.S. finally took steps under President Obama to give basic health care (a basic human right) to those who need it the most. Trump would snatch that away to give it back to those giant corporations who make windfall profits on the backs of those least able to afford it. Trump says that he will give tax deductions as an alternative but research has proven that the tax breaks will be reduced for the poor and increased for the wealthy. Here is the research, have a look for yourself:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Issue-Briefs/2016/Sep/Trump...
Notwithstanding any faults of Sec Clinton she is the clear choice for president in this disaster of an election; to vote for Trump will set America back socially, economically and it will just simply be wrong.
Get out and vote !!
There are so many social issues in America that must be addressed if the nation is it is to hold itself up as an example of a socially progressive state outside its borders. One of the key issues is health care. The U.S. finally took steps under President Obama to give basic health care (a basic human right) to those who need it the most. Trump would snatch that away to give it back to those giant corporations who make windfall profits on the backs of those least able to afford it. Trump says that he will give tax deductions as an alternative but research has proven that the tax breaks will be reduced for the poor and increased for the wealthy. Here is the research, have a look for yourself:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Issue-Briefs/2016/Sep/Trump...
Notwithstanding any faults of Sec Clinton she is the clear choice for president in this disaster of an election; to vote for Trump will set America back socially, economically and it will just simply be wrong.
Get out and vote !!
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Muslims are not a racial group. Most Muslims who would be affected by a temporary ban on travel and immigration from countries designated by the Department Homeland Security as terrorist hotbeds are white. So to characterize the proposed ban as "racist" is inappropriate. It's anti-terrorists.
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(Not Mark) I'm going to say this again, but it's getting tedious. Muslims are not a racial group.
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Having the Khans speak at the convention was a political trick of the lowest kind. In any other year they would not have been there, being a completely normal, run-of-the-mill American family. The Clinton campaign shamelessly used them and their loss as a weapon to attack Trump, and the whole media, win one voice, ran with it unquestioningly. Same with Ms Machado. Thanks to an abetting media this election has been almost 100% policy-free. Months or nothing but personal attacks and insults. Disgusting.
I say this, by the way, as an ardent opponent of Trump and a committed progressive. This election has seen the Democrats come about as close to Swiftboating a candidate as I've ever seen. The whole party is taking a turn for the cynical, for the cutthroat, for the worse and the vast majority of Democrats are blithely standing by, unconcerned.
We already have one shameless, corrupt, Machiavellian party; we don't need two.
I say this, by the way, as an ardent opponent of Trump and a committed progressive. This election has seen the Democrats come about as close to Swiftboating a candidate as I've ever seen. The whole party is taking a turn for the cynical, for the cutthroat, for the worse and the vast majority of Democrats are blithely standing by, unconcerned.
We already have one shameless, corrupt, Machiavellian party; we don't need two.
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Really? Having members of groups who are going to be disadvantaged (let alone actually vilified) speak at a convention in *July* is like "Swiftboating", which was an October surprise *and* a misrepresentation?
One party in particular should refrain from what is basically normal electioneering because somehow that would lessen cynicism? That's a recipe for the Democrats as a minority party making occasional Mr. Rogers pleas for niceness.
Furthermore, the Khans were disputing strongly a *policy* of Trump's to treat their co-religionists different in immigration.
One party in particular should refrain from what is basically normal electioneering because somehow that would lessen cynicism? That's a recipe for the Democrats as a minority party making occasional Mr. Rogers pleas for niceness.
Furthermore, the Khans were disputing strongly a *policy* of Trump's to treat their co-religionists different in immigration.
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I disagree. Trump is like the stupid donkey that needs to get on the head first to "get its attention." He has lived in his bubble world atop Columbus Circle with his rarified group of billionaires with little concern for the welfare and well being of anyone but himself. If Khan jolted him out of his comfort zone, wonderful. After he loses this election I hope he takes his family and crawls back into his paradise overlooking Central Park.
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Hi, Krausewitz -
You're entitled to your point of view, but I think it is up to the Khans to decide if they were used in the cynical manner your comment states. I disagree with your assessment of the Khans' situation.
That said, I join you whole-heartedly in your low opinion of today's Democratic Party as cynical and dishonest. I think the conduct of the DNC in general, and Ms. Brazile and Ms. Wasserman-Schultz in particular, to be foul and disgraceful.
But no, the Democrats have not remotely "Swiftboated" Donald Trump. Either you don't really understand what that was, or you're fairly cynical yourself in your comment. To use Trump's own words and actions against him is not remotely "Swiftboating".
You're entitled to your point of view, but I think it is up to the Khans to decide if they were used in the cynical manner your comment states. I disagree with your assessment of the Khans' situation.
That said, I join you whole-heartedly in your low opinion of today's Democratic Party as cynical and dishonest. I think the conduct of the DNC in general, and Ms. Brazile and Ms. Wasserman-Schultz in particular, to be foul and disgraceful.
But no, the Democrats have not remotely "Swiftboated" Donald Trump. Either you don't really understand what that was, or you're fairly cynical yourself in your comment. To use Trump's own words and actions against him is not remotely "Swiftboating".
I comment as one of Hillary's "deplorables:"
When are "good" Muslims going to openly, specifically, and continuingly renounce jihad?
When are "good" Muslims going to renounce the subjugation of women?
When are "good" Muslims going to renounce theocracy and sharia law?
To me, all three renunciations are necessary before I can be other than one of Hillary's deplorables as far concerns Islam.
By the way, although I am a Christian and a double Catholic, I denounce the Roman branch of my Catholic faith for its toleration of pedophile priests and its continued insistence on priestly celibacy.
When are "good" Muslims going to openly, specifically, and continuingly renounce jihad?
When are "good" Muslims going to renounce the subjugation of women?
When are "good" Muslims going to renounce theocracy and sharia law?
To me, all three renunciations are necessary before I can be other than one of Hillary's deplorables as far concerns Islam.
By the way, although I am a Christian and a double Catholic, I denounce the Roman branch of my Catholic faith for its toleration of pedophile priests and its continued insistence on priestly celibacy.
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Actually a fellow Moslem turned in Omar Meteen, the Orlando attacker, to the FBI. The FBI investigated.
In the case of the New Jersey bomber, his father had already tipped off police about his son.
Moslems seem to be doing their part.
In the case of the New Jersey bomber, his father had already tipped off police about his son.
Moslems seem to be doing their part.
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So by self identifying by a "Deplorable" you do understand most readers also will add on sexist (or if female, sexism apologist), racist, misogynist, white nationalist, redneck, possibly pedophile (because you are wholly supporting one)...?
Just saying if you are making an argument you may not want to open with that.
Just saying if you are making an argument you may not want to open with that.
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I am no more comfortable with a Catholic voting block than I am with a Muslim voting block. Religious leaders often engage in subtle and not so subtle directives regarding how adherents should vote on issues and candidates. They do so while enjoying tax and other exemption. The power of the Cathoic Church and Evangelicals to influence laws relating to women's rights and other issues is chilling. Muslims and their leaders pose the same threat.
I realize that raising this concern will be viewed as inappropriate but it is a concern well founded in experience.
I realize that raising this concern will be viewed as inappropriate but it is a concern well founded in experience.
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I'm very grateful to Mr. and Mrs. Khan for the fine son they raised and for speaking out against the bigotry of Donald Trump. Mr. And Mrs. Khan are every bit as heroic as their son.
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I haven't read the article yet but that artwork illustrating it is brilliant. Thank you to the artist, Rashin Kheiriyeh.
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Insha'Allah, God willing this awesome country of ours will remain united. The forces that unite us are stronger than the ones attempting to divide us. It seems that after Reagan, the country grew more polarized. Every election after Reagan, the choices were increasingly drastic. It appears the extremists from the right as well as the left grew irreconcilably distant from each other. Unfortunately candidate Trump, has provided energy to extreme elements of the far right. If candidate Trump is elected as president, therefore as commander in chief, this country will drastically change and not necessarily for the good of its citizens. Although candidate Mrs Clinton appears to be the most qualified candidate, also is an extremely polarizing figure. Leaving many of us confused and despaired, how to make the right choice. In Spanish there is a saying "Mas vale malo conocido, que bueno por conocer" roughly translates as; Is better to have a bad one which we are familiar with, than an unknown good.
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Interesting saying. I remember an article published right here in the NYT in which one of our military commanders in Iraq asked a local man why they were so happy that a well known and brutual war lord would be taking over the area when the US military left. The local man replied that they preferred to be ruled by their own regardless of how brutual that rule may be. Interesting concept and one which the US simply refuses to understand.
As to Hillary I Totally disagree. If a known one is known to be representing corporate interests against those of the average person, I see no reason to chose her. I prefer Jill Stein.
As to Hillary I Totally disagree. If a known one is known to be representing corporate interests against those of the average person, I see no reason to chose her. I prefer Jill Stein.
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Any vote not for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Donald Trump, and it can't get any simpler than that. If you have issues concerning the election, wear a tee shirt stating your views, but vote for Hillary Clinton or you'll find yourself looking over your shoulder if Trump gets elected wondering whether or not you're on someone's list that questions your worthiness to be considered an American Citizen.
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what are you throwing down?
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For those who want to delve into the realities of Islam and the goals it imposes upon its followers, who now comprise 25% of the world's population: Read the Qur'an for yourself, starting at
http://www.qurancomplex.gov.sa/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?L=eng&Page=...
That's the official version. The King Fahd Complex has produced over 100 million copies, in more than 50 languages.
It's not easy reading. But it is a revelation. Among the methodology its followers are advised to employ in Islam's quest: Deception.
Don't know why I'm bothering. The NYTimes will never allow this comment.
http://www.qurancomplex.gov.sa/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?L=eng&Page=...
That's the official version. The King Fahd Complex has produced over 100 million copies, in more than 50 languages.
It's not easy reading. But it is a revelation. Among the methodology its followers are advised to employ in Islam's quest: Deception.
Don't know why I'm bothering. The NYTimes will never allow this comment.
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Should Christians take Leviticus as seriously as you believe Muslims take those passages?
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trump's treatment of the khans was a measure of his ignorance, hillary clinton's use of them and their son's sacrifice as props in pursuit of the presidency, a measure of her insensitivity.
trump's condition is subject to change, what he doesn't know he can learn, (none of us is, after all "irredeemable" despite mrs. clinton's most uncharitable condemnation), the lack of empathy
in her conduct and her obvious disconnect from her own words in her speeches, litanies of cliches and ill-concealed anger (her own implicit bisaes revealed in the flood of memos that mock and seek to subvert any oppositon, no matter their faith or class) are more conscious, more purposeful and, so less suseptible to change.
as a first generation american it is easy to sympathize with a wary regard for patronzing dinner invitations, and though not exactly envious of the meat loaf, it is, when compared to the disasters of "ethnically appropriate" dishes prepared by hosts, (some well-meaning, some barely tolerant), a step in a more enlightened direction.
trump's condition is subject to change, what he doesn't know he can learn, (none of us is, after all "irredeemable" despite mrs. clinton's most uncharitable condemnation), the lack of empathy
in her conduct and her obvious disconnect from her own words in her speeches, litanies of cliches and ill-concealed anger (her own implicit bisaes revealed in the flood of memos that mock and seek to subvert any oppositon, no matter their faith or class) are more conscious, more purposeful and, so less suseptible to change.
as a first generation american it is easy to sympathize with a wary regard for patronzing dinner invitations, and though not exactly envious of the meat loaf, it is, when compared to the disasters of "ethnically appropriate" dishes prepared by hosts, (some well-meaning, some barely tolerant), a step in a more enlightened direction.
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Bravo. By exercising the right to vote, you will gain a seat at the table.
Mr. and Mrs. Khan will continue to be an inspiration. Their voices have been heard, loud and clear.
Mr. and Mrs. Khan will continue to be an inspiration. Their voices have been heard, loud and clear.
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It's great to see Muslim-Americans politically and socially engaged, fighting for justice and freedom. But with all due respect, please take a good look at your religion- Islam- the most violent and misogynist of all religions, before going about setting the world straight. Facing and re-evaluating the ugly in your faith will do more good for the world, than criticizing the ugly in politics.
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It would be great to see Muslim-Americans politically and socially engaged, fighting for justice and freedom, if that was what was happening.
Muslims are instead suing to force accommodation of their religious beliefs and practices in the workplace and government, as Islam is a political system that tries to overpower by deception and force.
Muslims are instead suing to force accommodation of their religious beliefs and practices in the workplace and government, as Islam is a political system that tries to overpower by deception and force.
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Khan's son was an outlier. Muslim representation in the armed forces is about 1/3 of what you would expect based on population alone. That doesn't diminish his son's sacrifice however. More of note, this article is a tad self-righteous. Even if 100% of the 1% Muslims voted for Clinton, Trump would only need to convince 2% of the 50 million unregistered whites to register and vote for him to cancel their votes out. It's a very tiny population that as the story states, does not vote homogeneously compared to a population like African Americans. To assert that ignoring them is at the politicians peril is ironic, considering most probably do not want greater scrutiny.
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Perhaps Muslims in the military is low because of the reception they get. Check out how many translators that work for our intelligence are treated by our side.
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Whatever you do, encourage your fellow Muslims to vote. The rest is gravy we can continue to hash out. Just vote. And vote blue. It's up to every person who is remotely repulsed by Trump to vote and encourage others, even when risk of discomfort to vote too.
Just vote. That's all that really matters.
Just vote. That's all that really matters.
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Muslim immigrants overall are among the best educated and wealthiest new Americans. Among African-Americans, Islams often provides a straight path towards upward mobility. Even among Hispanics and European-Americans, Islam has been a viable alternative belief system regardless of heritage. Having said all this, Muslims were reliable (misguided) Republicans over the past 30-40 years. This was because of their strong family values and conservative world view (most obviously parallel to Mormons and Orthodox Jews). The events of 9-11 apparently led to realignment. Despite reassuring words by G.W. Bush, the Republican base found another straw-man to blame all of their self-inflicted woes. And very many Muslims smartened up. So while some American Muslims still drink the Republican Kool-Aid, most Muslims see that their overall interests align with Democrats. This means that Muslims have to come to terms with aligning with African-American rights, Hispanic rights, Native American rights, women's rights, gay rights, transgender rights, disabled rights, other religious minority rights, etc. So be it. We stick together or we fall separately. Now if only the vast white underclass saw the light. Donald Trump is not their friend and the Republican Party treats them far worse than they accuse the Democrats of treating African-Americans. Smarten up!
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It's great to see Muslims exercise their right as US citizens. I would suggest equal fervor should be placed in reforming their faith.
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A majority of Americans are often unaware that Muslim nations have elected very popular women Prime Ministers in the past. Nations like Pakistan and Bangladesh both had broken the proverbial glass ceiling decades ago. A majority of muslim nations don't follow the Saudi / wahabi interpretation of Islam and have very progressive and dynamic women leaders in their social and economic sectors.
Personally I feel in this historic election anybody who has any iota of decency in their moral compass would make the right choice and save this great country from a trajectory of hate and in tolerance .
Personally I feel in this historic election anybody who has any iota of decency in their moral compass would make the right choice and save this great country from a trajectory of hate and in tolerance .
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Do we know of any Islamic nation that provides basic human rights to non-Muslims? The rights Muslims demand in non-Muslims lands are never given to non-Muslims. Are American Muslims prepared to fight for this??? Practice what they are trying to preach!!
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I'm a Right Wing Extremist, self-styled, and a Trump zealot, but then I repeat myself
I think that Islam is at war with the infidel and itself, and has been so for 1300 years; the war will go until the heat death of the sun, -- or longer, if we colonize exo-planets; --and even with a global caliphate the war will continue
I doubt that Islam will ever say, - there are many gods, ours is ours and yours is yours, and we can all live together,'
= =
The most recent ascent of Islam or some version thereof, ISIS and modern female open-air slavery of women, infidel women, and mass butchery of wrong-thinkers, under the last four or six years of the Manchurian Muslim from Marx-ico, have shown some of us what lurks under the veil, as it were, and shown the current iteration of Islam's 1300 year march of historical inevitability
This is a difficult time for Muslims in America and in the West, and the author's offerings nearby hardly, to me, offer any pathway for ourselves as we play defense, or for American or Western Muslims
BUT it is always good to hear what people say,
Mr Trump's poor behavior towards parents of fallen soldiers, is of course poor, BUT might I add, no worse than his opponent's treatment of other fallen Americans in foreign wars, our Libyan Ambassador, and the film maker who started it all
So you, and we, choose our poison
The safest place for a Muslim, is outside of isamlia and Araby, and yes we should have better much better control of our borders
I think that Islam is at war with the infidel and itself, and has been so for 1300 years; the war will go until the heat death of the sun, -- or longer, if we colonize exo-planets; --and even with a global caliphate the war will continue
I doubt that Islam will ever say, - there are many gods, ours is ours and yours is yours, and we can all live together,'
= =
The most recent ascent of Islam or some version thereof, ISIS and modern female open-air slavery of women, infidel women, and mass butchery of wrong-thinkers, under the last four or six years of the Manchurian Muslim from Marx-ico, have shown some of us what lurks under the veil, as it were, and shown the current iteration of Islam's 1300 year march of historical inevitability
This is a difficult time for Muslims in America and in the West, and the author's offerings nearby hardly, to me, offer any pathway for ourselves as we play defense, or for American or Western Muslims
BUT it is always good to hear what people say,
Mr Trump's poor behavior towards parents of fallen soldiers, is of course poor, BUT might I add, no worse than his opponent's treatment of other fallen Americans in foreign wars, our Libyan Ambassador, and the film maker who started it all
So you, and we, choose our poison
The safest place for a Muslim, is outside of isamlia and Araby, and yes we should have better much better control of our borders
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I am an aging white male American who would be proud to be considered a "Khizr Khan" voter.
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This Op-Ed is exactly the kind of thing that could tip the election for Trump.
The theory that Islamic voters in Florida tipped the balance for W. Bush's election - and his invasion of Iraq - is well-publicized in the alt-right world that hates the Bush family as much as they hate the Clintons and that supports Trump's Henry VIII-Northman style anti-Establishment campaign.
I have no idea whether Clinton is truly so naive and incompetent on the law and what is going on the world as not understand the problem with showcasing Khan's fallacious argument for Abrahamic laws of ritual child sacrifice INSTEAD OF showcasing a more responsible person from Pakistan, or whether it was just pure cynicism on her part, but combined with showcasing Alicia Machado instead of a more responsible person from Venezuela, it could lose her the election.
Within two weeks of Clinton showcasing Khan's fallacious Constitutional argument for ritual child sacrifice to [G-d, God, and] Allah, over 70 secular lawyers were killed in Pakistan by people advocating Islamic law.
The theory that Islamic voters in Florida tipped the balance for W. Bush's election - and his invasion of Iraq - is well-publicized in the alt-right world that hates the Bush family as much as they hate the Clintons and that supports Trump's Henry VIII-Northman style anti-Establishment campaign.
I have no idea whether Clinton is truly so naive and incompetent on the law and what is going on the world as not understand the problem with showcasing Khan's fallacious argument for Abrahamic laws of ritual child sacrifice INSTEAD OF showcasing a more responsible person from Pakistan, or whether it was just pure cynicism on her part, but combined with showcasing Alicia Machado instead of a more responsible person from Venezuela, it could lose her the election.
Within two weeks of Clinton showcasing Khan's fallacious Constitutional argument for ritual child sacrifice to [G-d, God, and] Allah, over 70 secular lawyers were killed in Pakistan by people advocating Islamic law.
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The Khans are only a Gold Star family, on the same footing as every other Gold Star family. My father was career military and fought in two wars; my own family could easily have been such. Your comparison is ludicrous as well as disrespectful.
And just a note in case you're Christian - the central redemption narrative of that religion, is a ritual Abrahamic child sacrifice.
And just a note in case you're Christian - the central redemption narrative of that religion, is a ritual Abrahamic child sacrifice.
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Muslim American are just like all the other ´minorities' a few are, secretly or not, for Trump.
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Just another story exploited for Clintons PR machine.
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FBI: 57% of Anti-Religious Hate Crimes Targeted Jews; 16% Targeted Muslims
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-morris/fbi-us-jews-targeted-57-anti-...
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-morris/fbi-us-jews-targeted-57-anti-...
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You're missing the point. Is A presidential candidate vilifying Jews in his speeches ? Is he calling a ban on all Jews coming to America. Your point is lost.
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There's every other kind of American and their votes seem to matter most. Maybe as an American American I should just stay home on election day and kind of lay low and try to pretend I don't even exist. I'm sorry I was born here, my parents didn't give me a choice.
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What's an "American American"?
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It is someone who doesn't cling to several generations-old identity of European/Asian/African ethnicity and considers themselves American and nothing else.
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So Osage it takes several generations to be an American-American? How many?
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I have been searching for a Muslim majority country that has excellent record of respecting civil rights and has equal rights for both believers as well as non believers. My search is still on :(
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How many people has this "rampant Islamophobia" killed?
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I wouldn't vote for Trump if you paid me. But I saw Muslims all summer long at the beach. The men in their shorts and the women in their idiotic black shrouds. I'm fully in favor of vetting all Muslims. The sexism of the Islamic form of dress where women are dumped into shrouds while the men parade around half naked is repulsive.
Before whining about bigotry, stop with the sexist dress that demeans half the population.
Before whining about bigotry, stop with the sexist dress that demeans half the population.
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(Not Mark) My daughter made a comment to me the other day that aligns with your comment. She had been in Walmart and a Muslim couple passed by. The man dressed in shorts and sandals with a little boy at his side. A few steps back his wife (we can only suppose) totally covered in black, just her eyes visible. My daughter said she had more respect for orthodox Jews because at least the men have to wear uncomfortable clothes too! Also the women don't have to walk behind their husbands (we think, given our limited knowledge of orthodox Judaism, we're reform). I honestly don't care about head coverings, but that shroud has got to go.
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Khizr Khan and his family are a priceless asset to our nation. His speech at the Democratic National Convention was the most powerful political speech I have seen in my lifetime. Thank you, Mr. Khan.
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In my experience, most the people spouting Islamophobia have never actually met a Muslim in real life. Of course, in America, complete and total ignorance does not disqualify you from being an expert on any subject.
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Sorry I'm not buying. Muslims will vote D out of fear and hatred of Drumpf. Liberal progressives they are not.
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It was great to see Khizr Khan taking on Trump. I would like to see Khizr Khan take on Muslim extremists in the same way. There is simply no Muslim voice that condemns the ISIS like interpretations of the Holy Koran. He has a knack for getting his message across to divisive people.
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Mr. and Mrs. Khan represent the best in America. Raising their children to dream the American Dream, providing for their education and sacrificing principle for mere convenience or convention. America is strong because people from all walks of life treasure freedom, liberty and justice. Those who go the extra mile to defend what they treasure should be equally cherished and blessed.
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As a homosexual I am not confident that the Muslim community has the same values that I have nor embrace the same freedoms. After the murder of 49 gay people in Orlando by a radical Islamic jihadist I was hoping that love would win over hate but then along came the Chelsea bombs. We heard from the community condemning these acts but we did not hear the Muslims say that gays are okay. I'm sick and tired of waiting for the Muslim community to change and to love me back. I have a Muslim gay friend but he no longer practices his own religion. If the Muslim community stays on this path and their leaders do not step forward and embrace homosexuality as a god given right then count me out!
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Hi, Charlie -
I think the Orlando shooter was much less a "radical Islamic jihadist" than he was a deeply closeted, self-loathing, emotionally tormented man. The Orlando shooting could just as easily have been committed by a Christian zealot.
And the Muslim community doesn't have to "love" you. It just has to leave you alone to live your life without fear of discrimination.
Try getting love for being gay from the Trump camp. Let us know how you fare.
I think the Orlando shooter was much less a "radical Islamic jihadist" than he was a deeply closeted, self-loathing, emotionally tormented man. The Orlando shooting could just as easily have been committed by a Christian zealot.
And the Muslim community doesn't have to "love" you. It just has to leave you alone to live your life without fear of discrimination.
Try getting love for being gay from the Trump camp. Let us know how you fare.
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As a gay man I ask you, do you forgive Christianity in all,it's forms for their stance on Gay people?
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I agree with you to a degree, but why not ask the same thing of every other major religion?
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Ms. Clinton has the voters of Mr. Khan's hometown - Charlottesville, VA - too!
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Anthony Bourdain had a wonderful show about Houston on CNN a few nights ago. I love living in this city of immigrants. Welcome to my community, welcome to America. It, proud to be with you.
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Humayun Khan is an American hero who served honorably and gave his life for his country. Were he still alive, I could respect him speaking out at the Democratic convention and waving the Constitution. I have zero respect for his father who appears to me to be shamelessly taking advantage of his deceased son. I grow tired of Muslims who pretend not to understand that significant Islamic terror is the sole reason why non-Muslims dislike or fear them, or who make the false claim that anti-Muslim activity is exponentially larger than acts of Islamic terror. So before Muslims begin demanding this and that, why not search yourselves and ask why you are unable to speak out against Islamic terror, foreign and home-grown? Try demanding that your own brothers and sisters lay down their guns, hatchets and bombs and stop killing people.
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"We’re speaking out, voting and throwing down. To echo Khizr Uncle, we’ll keep doing it — a million times over and over again."
As well you should, and bless you for doing it. Welcome to the wild, wooly, and increasingly bizarre and getting ugly world of American politics. You are most welcome on the barricades of democracy.
Cheers.
As well you should, and bless you for doing it. Welcome to the wild, wooly, and increasingly bizarre and getting ugly world of American politics. You are most welcome on the barricades of democracy.
Cheers.
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@Wajahat-
Great to see American Muslims speak against Trump. Then again, so does my Christian grandmother. Wouldn't it better use of this forum to speak against the millions of radicalized Muslims whose heinous acts tear at the very fabric of the religion which you claim to be of compassion and peace? You may be 1% of the American population- But the other 99% of us are waiting for you to organize, stand up and denounce these radicalized zealots across the globe.
Great to see American Muslims speak against Trump. Then again, so does my Christian grandmother. Wouldn't it better use of this forum to speak against the millions of radicalized Muslims whose heinous acts tear at the very fabric of the religion which you claim to be of compassion and peace? You may be 1% of the American population- But the other 99% of us are waiting for you to organize, stand up and denounce these radicalized zealots across the globe.
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Please do not be offended when I tell you that your claim that Muslims are not speaking up against radicals is both offensive and uninformed. Numerous organizations exist - no few were listed on the article on which you are commenting. CAIR (Council for American Islamic Relations) is one of many, virtually all of which get viewed with jaundiced eyes because of anti-muslim bigotry. Just like Christianity, with its right wing crazies who blow up federal buildings, Muslims have them, too. But 99% plus of both Abrahamic faiths are just like everybody else next to whom you are working. When we blind ourselves to that fact, and stereotype a great religion, we insure our own ignorance. We must take the time to become aware of the people in our midst, and recognize our overwhelmingly peaceful similarities, not our rare radical differences.
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Aaron--BETTER? I don't see why. We also need to fight the radicalized "Christian" zealots, who would like to take over the government, right here in our own country.
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Aaron, I'm not sure that you can speak for the other 99% of Americans. But you are right there does seem to be a percentage of Americans who are waiting for Muslims to denounce terrorism. Meanwhile, Muslims are denouncing the terrorism all over the place. And on occasion, the media will see fit to put a camera in front of one of them, or to quote one in an article. Mr. Ali can and will write about whatever he wants to write about. It's ignorant to say that just because you have not sought out and found the Muslim commentary on terrorism, that every time you come across a Muslim somewhere he better be talking about terrorism. You may not realize this, but in fact what you are protesting is any kind of normalization of Muslims in our society; there is an expectation that the word Muslim and terrorist are universally associated, and it is a violation of it unspoken rule for a Muslim to just ... be. Today Wajahat Ali speaks and fails to mention terror, Who knows maybe tomorrow you'll see a Muslim family in an orange juice commercial that fails to put them in the 'appropriate' context.
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Love everything about this editorial. America is improved by your presence.
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It would be helpful to run the Khizr Khan ads on TV in Mr. Khan's country of birth-- Pakistan and other Muslim majority nations. It could help to inform the people there of the goodness of America and the importance of civil liberties of minorities everywhere. Mr. Khan could be a role model of a good Muslim who believes in the values enshrined in the American Constitution-- liberty, equality, and justice for all. Many Muslim nations restrict rights of women and minorities. It would help the youth of Muslims to learn of the belief of Humayun Khan in American values and his ultimate sacrifice for America. Mr. Khizr Khan could use his celebrity status to enlighten some of his fellow Muslims who are misled by religious extremists.
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I think it's more interesting that he came from a country which has elected a female leader, and stood before our nation - *his* nation too - to endorse a female leader for it. Because, in that, we're behind Pakistan.
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Mr. Khan should return to Pakistan and try an educate his fellow citizens there and stop prancing around as a tool of the DNC and Hillary Clinton
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Banty,
You really want to talk about women's rights in Pakistan?
You really want to talk about women's rights in Pakistan?
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Two of the most powerful statements of American values this campaign have been Khizr Khan's convention speech and the ad featuring him. Both reflect his authenticity, the depth of his sacrifice and the heroism of his son of whom any American can be proud, as well as his deep love for the Constitution and American democracy. It was not that long ago that a common boast was that someone was a grandchild or great-grandchild of an immigrant who encountered challenges and rose above them to educated their children, raise their families, and contribute to their new country. John F. Kennedy wrote a powerful book - A Nation of Immigrants - that told that American story through some of its highlights.
This is sad and alarming moment for America. Niemöller's poem summarizes what is at stake:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
One good that has come out of this though is that many of our recent immigrants are emerging from the shadows to become active citizens and exercise their right to vote.
This is sad and alarming moment for America. Niemöller's poem summarizes what is at stake:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
One good that has come out of this though is that many of our recent immigrants are emerging from the shadows to become active citizens and exercise their right to vote.
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I'm troubled by many parts of your article, Mr. Ali.
For example, "... some people are openly embracing Muslims, rejecting bigotry and inviting us to their dinner tables to taste this strange phenomenon known as meat loaf. However, I’m not content with table scraps, pity invitations and opportunistic photo-ops."
That's a bit insulting to the people who invited you to dinner, isn't it?
Another line, "We’re speaking out, voting and throwing down." You're throwing down in the wrong direction if Muslims are voting for a third party candidate, as you mention. Any vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Trump. Surely you realize this? Trump does not even try to disguise his dislike for Muslims.
Hilary has been nothing but supportive of Muslim people, and immigrants, risking millions of votes from people who do not feel the same as she does about Muslims.
Do right by her and vote for her and encourage your fellow Muslims to do the same.
Now this quote, "Most Muslim women didn’t realize they were being viewed like that. They didn’t know people thought we weren’t allowed to speak.”
When I see a woman garbed in yards of black fabric, I know a man is muzzling and controlling her. I know she has no voice. Perhaps if you don't want people to think that Muslim women must keep quiet, you should move to eradicate the burka.
As for your belief the election was about Muslims? How arrogant. It's about people. All of us. Women. Minorities. Children. Americans. Not just you.
For example, "... some people are openly embracing Muslims, rejecting bigotry and inviting us to their dinner tables to taste this strange phenomenon known as meat loaf. However, I’m not content with table scraps, pity invitations and opportunistic photo-ops."
That's a bit insulting to the people who invited you to dinner, isn't it?
Another line, "We’re speaking out, voting and throwing down." You're throwing down in the wrong direction if Muslims are voting for a third party candidate, as you mention. Any vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Trump. Surely you realize this? Trump does not even try to disguise his dislike for Muslims.
Hilary has been nothing but supportive of Muslim people, and immigrants, risking millions of votes from people who do not feel the same as she does about Muslims.
Do right by her and vote for her and encourage your fellow Muslims to do the same.
Now this quote, "Most Muslim women didn’t realize they were being viewed like that. They didn’t know people thought we weren’t allowed to speak.”
When I see a woman garbed in yards of black fabric, I know a man is muzzling and controlling her. I know she has no voice. Perhaps if you don't want people to think that Muslim women must keep quiet, you should move to eradicate the burka.
As for your belief the election was about Muslims? How arrogant. It's about people. All of us. Women. Minorities. Children. Americans. Not just you.
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I am aghast at the enthusiasm with which Trump supporters demand that Muslims should be prohibited from coming to America, aghast at the response of the Republican convention crowd to the man who delivered the closing prayer, and terrified for my immigrant daughter-in-law and the bi-racial child she carries.
It’s open season on Muslims this political season. Who’s next? If we embrace this rabid fear of ‘other’, we risk extinguishing the beacon this country has offered for so long to the rest of the world.
If we as Americans can no longer embrace those who come here in response to the promise of endless possibility, we might as well just admit to the rest of the world that we’re just another despotic third world country, with a more stable electrical grid.
It’s open season on Muslims this political season. Who’s next? If we embrace this rabid fear of ‘other’, we risk extinguishing the beacon this country has offered for so long to the rest of the world.
If we as Americans can no longer embrace those who come here in response to the promise of endless possibility, we might as well just admit to the rest of the world that we’re just another despotic third world country, with a more stable electrical grid.
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Did you forget about ISIS and how it has infiltrated refugee inflows in the EU. DId you look at the the damage these refugees have cause in every country they go to? Do you wonder why the EU is not in the mood to welcome them but is eagerly looking for ways to deport as many as possible?
Learn from the EU experience and extreme vetting is the only way we will stop the infiltration of ISIS into our country.
Learn from the EU experience and extreme vetting is the only way we will stop the infiltration of ISIS into our country.
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No one ever said that moslems should be denied entry................what we say is that we want more vetting on those comng from the terrorist regions of the world.......we have the RIGHT to protect ourselves..................we owe no one
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Muslims by themselves are politically insignificant. The reason they enjoy the riches of deference in today's politics in America is largely similar to why transgender Americans are finally being protected and included and called outnof the shadows in today's America. It's because a critical mass of Americans have matured, educated, travelled, and interacted enough to have learned that anyone at any time could be the target of the next Mccarthy-ist virus that flows through the bloodstream of the American body politic, and needs to be vigilantly fought in order to be kept at bay.
The Americans that defend and lift up the most vilified, demonized, marginalized, and dosenfranchised of their fellow citizens are the very Better Angels of America's nature.
The Americans that defend and lift up the most vilified, demonized, marginalized, and dosenfranchised of their fellow citizens are the very Better Angels of America's nature.
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"The Americans that defend and lift up the most vilified, demonized, marginalized, and dosenfranchised of their fellow citizens are the very Better Angels of America's nature."
There people are not the better angels - they demonstrate the failures of our immigration system in allowing many of these people to enter the US. They are the reason that the US is a such a mess today and why we need Donald Trump to help restore the country to the greatness of the 1950=1980.
From the day the slimy Clintons got in office, the country went downhill.
There people are not the better angels - they demonstrate the failures of our immigration system in allowing many of these people to enter the US. They are the reason that the US is a such a mess today and why we need Donald Trump to help restore the country to the greatness of the 1950=1980.
From the day the slimy Clintons got in office, the country went downhill.
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Muslims are not marginalized. There are over a billion Muslims in the word. If people dislike Islam and Muslims it is because Islam is a sexist and unattractive political system who's adherents have been involved in many terrorist attacks on our soil.
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That so many of my fellow Americans see The Answer in Trump has made it hard to feel good about our country. The Khans, and the people in Mr. Ali's commentary, restore a bit of hope just by knowing that they are my fellow Americans too. I didn't know you before but I sure know you now, neighbor.
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Tauhid Mahmud, ... said he was planning to vote for the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein, as a way of saying: “No, I’m not going to vote for you just because you’re not Trump. You need to earn it.”
Nice and noble, but extremely foolish. As a dissenter, Trump and his alt-right xenophobic fascists will eventually come after me. But I stay quiet, they won't come after me until long after they have made *your* life truly miserable and you are gone. So unlike Mexicans and Muslims, I won't be first to go.
A vote is a terrible thing to waste.
Nice and noble, but extremely foolish. As a dissenter, Trump and his alt-right xenophobic fascists will eventually come after me. But I stay quiet, they won't come after me until long after they have made *your* life truly miserable and you are gone. So unlike Mexicans and Muslims, I won't be first to go.
A vote is a terrible thing to waste.
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Citizens can vote in this country.
I welcome all to vote- as citizens. Not as hyphenated Americans. Not as a group of outsiders.
And I ask all citizens: vote for the best interests of this nation and ALL of its people. Leave your religion at home- your god doesn't need your vote.
I welcome all to vote- as citizens. Not as hyphenated Americans. Not as a group of outsiders.
And I ask all citizens: vote for the best interests of this nation and ALL of its people. Leave your religion at home- your god doesn't need your vote.
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In 2008, it is unlikely that Mr. Khan would have been the star of a campaign ad or a symbol of American goodness. That year, two Muslim women in headscarves were barred from sitting behind the podium by volunteers for the Obama campaign. That shameful act was done to protect Barack Obama from the “Muslim” rumor he’s had to endure for years..
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So, Obama campaign was anti-Muslim in 2008? Unbelievable. Barack was born of a Muslim father and of a mother who apparently loved to marry Muslims and to live in Muslim countries like Indonesia and Pakistan. He even has a Muslim middle name, and i wonder why he has to shun any suggestion that he was or is Muslim.
As for "Khizr uncle", if he and his family want respect as Gold Star parents, then they should stay out of active political campaign for Hillary and not allow themselves to be politically exploited by Hillary campaign.
It seems people like Alicia Machado and Khizr Khan have no problem with being politically exploited for vote-getting by Dems.
Change we can believe in.
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So, Obama campaign was anti-Muslim in 2008? Unbelievable. Barack was born of a Muslim father and of a mother who apparently loved to marry Muslims and to live in Muslim countries like Indonesia and Pakistan. He even has a Muslim middle name, and i wonder why he has to shun any suggestion that he was or is Muslim.
As for "Khizr uncle", if he and his family want respect as Gold Star parents, then they should stay out of active political campaign for Hillary and not allow themselves to be politically exploited by Hillary campaign.
It seems people like Alicia Machado and Khizr Khan have no problem with being politically exploited for vote-getting by Dems.
Change we can believe in.
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Your prejudices are wildly on display here.
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No, the Obama campaign was not anti-Muslim in 2008. That's not the take-away from that action, shameful as it was. Republicans can and do turn any possible opportunity in a campaign to blow things way out of proportion. OMG, there are two Muslim women behind him!! That proves what we've been saying all along! He's a Muslim!
It's safer to use a little precaution. In a sane world that wouldn't be necessary.
It's safer to use a little precaution. In a sane world that wouldn't be necessary.
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some Muslims "believe she isn't that much better than Mr. Trump."
Wow.
That anyone can think that is already mind boggling. That a Muslim American can think this is simply beyond the pale. I am a well-off heterosexual white male Christian, so I wouldn't suffer too terribly under Trump (unless he nukes some allies who offended him), but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone not in my category could possibly risk a Trump presidency just to show off one's moral righteousness. Please don't come complaining when, under President Trump, you have to register yourself in the Muslim registry, are searched by cops every time you cross the street, and your Muslim family and friends are not allowed to visit you in the US. After all, Clinton "isn't that much better." Madness.
Wow.
That anyone can think that is already mind boggling. That a Muslim American can think this is simply beyond the pale. I am a well-off heterosexual white male Christian, so I wouldn't suffer too terribly under Trump (unless he nukes some allies who offended him), but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone not in my category could possibly risk a Trump presidency just to show off one's moral righteousness. Please don't come complaining when, under President Trump, you have to register yourself in the Muslim registry, are searched by cops every time you cross the street, and your Muslim family and friends are not allowed to visit you in the US. After all, Clinton "isn't that much better." Madness.
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I could not agree more: but bear in mind that the false equivalency, the "they are are just as bad" canard is subscribed to by lots of people,and is in no way exclusive to the Muslim electorate.
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I am a Muslim from South Asia - and I find it appalling that some American Muslims can even compare Trump with Hillary. I have seen some YouTube videos, where the Muslim voters being interviewed claimed that the Republican thinking on abortion and gay rights (NO to both, of course) matches Muslim thinking, and thus they will vote for Trump. The US is a democracy, so they can vote whoever they like. But this is sheer madness and this thinking is simply disgusting and from the middle ages. They are so blinded by the dark alleys of their own religion, and they identify themselves with another dark force. Hopeless!
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There is an understanding that voting matters since it determines the fate of the nation. The comment by the young Muslim who decides to vote third party is idealizing his vote to an individual decision. HRC is not perfect for Muslims but her defeat doesn't mean a change for the better. The GOP party will push forward it's agenda through Congress, SCOTUS and the Executive branch that will harm non-White, non-Christians in this nation. If he is voting because of his conscience, then watch what happens when his rights are suddenly taken away because of his race, creed and religion. It's not a scare tactic, its a reality that most young people think they can survive, it hasn't happened in that scale yet until this election is decided but it can happen. He seeks both revolution and evolution, this happens when people participate in elections every cycle not only during the Presidential one.
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I like to see public school districts )and perhaps other
institutions) that close down for a day for Yom Kippur,
also close down for a day for a Muslim holiday of comparably significance. That would really indicate practicing Muslim citizens operate within the mainstream of American life.
institutions) that close down for a day for Yom Kippur,
also close down for a day for a Muslim holiday of comparably significance. That would really indicate practicing Muslim citizens operate within the mainstream of American life.
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Year round school and add other holidays (Divali?). We could all use to get to know each other's important times.
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in nyc, where the numbers support it, schools close for both Islamic and Jewish holidays.
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NYC schools close for that holiday because so many teachers are Jewish and would be absent. I don't think the same is true for Muslims.
The reason that Khizr Khan resonated so powerfully with Americans broadly was that he is the embodiment in human flesh of someone they aspire to be or lives values they identify with: patriotic, dignified, courageous, principled, caring, straight shooter...
He's everything that Trump supporters see as virtues in their candidate, but ironically, he's everything Trump is not.
The moment was powerful because it is easy to demonize an entire community based on a caricature. There is a common perception of what Muslims are like, pronounced in Trumpland, but just not limited to that. It's horrifying because it's the same demonization Jews went through in the Twentieth century. It's the view that Muslims aren't compatible with western society, "they are not like us".
Muslims are a small community, and most are happy to live their lives without drawing any attention to themselves. If there's a lesson for Muslims from Khizr Khan in this election, it's that they must engage further. Make the effort to participate visibly through volunteering, philanthropy, and community building and be visible as part and parcel of the fabric of America. With greater contact and engagement, people will see Muslims as human beings who have similar dreams for themselves, their children and their future, and who shouldn't be judged based on a few rotten apples.
Trump or no Trump, that would be properly honoring Mr. Khan for his sacrifice and courage.
He's everything that Trump supporters see as virtues in their candidate, but ironically, he's everything Trump is not.
The moment was powerful because it is easy to demonize an entire community based on a caricature. There is a common perception of what Muslims are like, pronounced in Trumpland, but just not limited to that. It's horrifying because it's the same demonization Jews went through in the Twentieth century. It's the view that Muslims aren't compatible with western society, "they are not like us".
Muslims are a small community, and most are happy to live their lives without drawing any attention to themselves. If there's a lesson for Muslims from Khizr Khan in this election, it's that they must engage further. Make the effort to participate visibly through volunteering, philanthropy, and community building and be visible as part and parcel of the fabric of America. With greater contact and engagement, people will see Muslims as human beings who have similar dreams for themselves, their children and their future, and who shouldn't be judged based on a few rotten apples.
Trump or no Trump, that would be properly honoring Mr. Khan for his sacrifice and courage.
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We Muslim Americans are tired of conversations about us, without us. Time to face the music bigots, we've been here for hundreds of years and we ain't going nowhere.
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Which music? What does that even mean? A threat? A promise?
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Sounds good, and I hope for better things for Muslims in America. Of course, should disaster strike and Trump get elected, I'd advise relocating for a few years until right before the next election, because things would naturally be horrible for Muslims, and all minorities, if he gets into office. This isn't dependent on how long your family has been here either, mine has been here about 16 generations and my plan is to relocate if he wins.
I'd like to point out too, that as venomous as I get about terrorists, every single Muslim person I've ever met has been far more kind, friendly, gentle, intelligent, and good-natured than the average person. The real Muslim believers do their best to be compassionate and generous to everyone; the Islamic terrorists are more like the KKK is to Christianity (it's a strongly 'christian' group).
At any rate I view Muslims as a vital part of our multi-cultural society, and I thank them for their efforts against the fascist Trump. For those few Muslims who are actually supporting Trump, I pity them for their self-destructive delusion.
I'd like to point out too, that as venomous as I get about terrorists, every single Muslim person I've ever met has been far more kind, friendly, gentle, intelligent, and good-natured than the average person. The real Muslim believers do their best to be compassionate and generous to everyone; the Islamic terrorists are more like the KKK is to Christianity (it's a strongly 'christian' group).
At any rate I view Muslims as a vital part of our multi-cultural society, and I thank them for their efforts against the fascist Trump. For those few Muslims who are actually supporting Trump, I pity them for their self-destructive delusion.
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I certainly hope that my fellow Muslim-Americans will not put at serious jeopardy their citizenship and all the rights that entails by casting a needless and foolish vote for a third party candidate.
One such man quoted in the this article was rather adamant that "you've got to earn it," that Hillary Clinton won't get his vote simply because "she's not Donald Trump." My friend, I say to you that if the next American president is not named Clinton, you might not get another chance to vote. You're taking much for granted. Allow me to explain.
The Republican party, of whom Trump is the nominee, has made it its business to suppress the non-white turnout at elections. This means you. If you think that because you're not African-American or Latino that their racism and the cutting scythe will miss Muslims when their turn comes, you'd better leave now.
Trump's shrill rallying cry to his racist base, besides "build that wall!", is "radical Islamic terrorists!" If you think you're immune, then vote for Jill Stein. We're all going to walk a tightrope for another week. Better hope there's a net underneath Muslim-Americans if there's a slip and fall. Listen to Mr. Khan. Read the Constitution while your vote still counts. Trump and his party wants you all out of here.
Don't be a member of the party of stupid.
One such man quoted in the this article was rather adamant that "you've got to earn it," that Hillary Clinton won't get his vote simply because "she's not Donald Trump." My friend, I say to you that if the next American president is not named Clinton, you might not get another chance to vote. You're taking much for granted. Allow me to explain.
The Republican party, of whom Trump is the nominee, has made it its business to suppress the non-white turnout at elections. This means you. If you think that because you're not African-American or Latino that their racism and the cutting scythe will miss Muslims when their turn comes, you'd better leave now.
Trump's shrill rallying cry to his racist base, besides "build that wall!", is "radical Islamic terrorists!" If you think you're immune, then vote for Jill Stein. We're all going to walk a tightrope for another week. Better hope there's a net underneath Muslim-Americans if there's a slip and fall. Listen to Mr. Khan. Read the Constitution while your vote still counts. Trump and his party wants you all out of here.
Don't be a member of the party of stupid.
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Sorry to break it to you but most Muslims are white.
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What is a Muslim-American? Are there Catholic-Americans or Seventh Day Adventist-Americans?
This is a secular society, like it or not. Those choosing to live here must accept this.
This is a secular society, like it or not. Those choosing to live here must accept this.
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Some people might rightfully note that the Khans would not have lost their son to a fraudulently-justified, useless war had Hillary Clinton, among others, not voted for it. She has the blood of many Muslims--fathers, mothers, children--on her hands, because of choices she made as a Senator and as Secretary of State.
Muslims are no more a guaranteed vote-mine for Hillary than are blacks or Hispanics. Actions matter, as much as words--more so.
The Khans' pain is real. Their donating it to the Clinton campaign is, in its own way, shameful.
Muslims are no more a guaranteed vote-mine for Hillary than are blacks or Hispanics. Actions matter, as much as words--more so.
The Khans' pain is real. Their donating it to the Clinton campaign is, in its own way, shameful.
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How dare you call their donation to the Clinton campaign "shameful." That is not for you to judge. You imply they're not smart enough to come to their own conclusions--how insulting.
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Perhaps I missed it but I cannot recall the Kahns blaming HRC for the death of their son. Could you point out where and when they did so?
"Their donating it to the Clinton campaign is, in its own way, shameful." Their donation is the right of every American and your assertion is what is indeed shameful.
Perhaps I missed it but I cannot recall the Kahns blaming HRC for the death of their son. Could you point out where and when they did so?
"Their donating it to the Clinton campaign is, in its own way, shameful." Their donation is the right of every American and your assertion is what is indeed shameful.
What uncle Khizr Khan has stated recently about Muslims remaining vigilant and cooperate with law enforcement to fight extremists if they find any suspicious activity is far more appropriate and conciliatory than what he said at the democratic convention. Most Americans including Trump have the highest regard for the valor and sacrifice of the late Capt. Khan. I doubt whether there is any American who does not accept that the overwhelming billion and a half plus Muslims around the world do not intend to harm anyone else and least of all other Muslims. There is no wide spread Islamophobia in the USA and even Trump tempered his ridiculous statement from last December in which he indicated that the entry of all Muslims will be banned from entering the USA in order to keep the USA safe from terrorists. That was his knee jerk reaction to the San Bernadino shooting and the Paris attack. All Americans are well aware of the great contribution made by Muslim Americans. There are appalling incidences of discrimination of Muslim Americans and that has to stop. I was informed of a recent incidence of a Muslim student being beaten on a school bus. This intolerance should not be tolerated or condoned. During this century, American wars for regime change and stemming the tide of terror have caused untold misery and deaths among the Muslims in the middle east and South Asia. US Nation of Islam leader with millions of followers has talked favorably about Trump and against regime change.
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"Most Americans including Trump have the highest regard for the valor and sacrifice of the late Capt. Khan."
Are you kidding yourself? Have you listened to Trump speaking about the Khan family after the Democratic Convention? Were those all knee-jerk reactions too? "Nation of Islam" leader is not an authority on Islam - that shows how little you know about the religion or the Muslims. Taking about Trump and talking against the US's regime change policy is entirely different - trying to frame them in one sentence is dishonest, in my opinion.
Are you kidding yourself? Have you listened to Trump speaking about the Khan family after the Democratic Convention? Were those all knee-jerk reactions too? "Nation of Islam" leader is not an authority on Islam - that shows how little you know about the religion or the Muslims. Taking about Trump and talking against the US's regime change policy is entirely different - trying to frame them in one sentence is dishonest, in my opinion.
Hillary Clinton's policies would lead to further erosion our security. Her policies on immigration, on refugees, on weakening our economy through Obamacare and other governmental oversight will severely impact our ability to properly protect ourselves from terrorism. Perhaps Mr. Khan's son would have voted for Mr. Trump -- to help keep his parents safe.
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Len,
Please tell us how "Hillary Clinton's policies would lead to further erosion our security." How "Her policies on immigration, on refugees, on weakening our economy through Obamacare and other governmental oversight will severely impact our ability to properly protect ourselves from terrorism." Details, facts please.
Perhaps these are simply assertions on your part that overheard at a Trump rally.
"Perhaps Mr. Khan's son would have voted for Mr. Trump -- to help keep his parents safe." This is perhaps one of the most insulting and misinformed assertions I have heard in this election and, believe me, I've heard some doozies. If Drumpf were president, none of the Kahns would be in America and you have now revealed your prejudice and bigotry.
Congratulations!
Please tell us how "Hillary Clinton's policies would lead to further erosion our security." How "Her policies on immigration, on refugees, on weakening our economy through Obamacare and other governmental oversight will severely impact our ability to properly protect ourselves from terrorism." Details, facts please.
Perhaps these are simply assertions on your part that overheard at a Trump rally.
"Perhaps Mr. Khan's son would have voted for Mr. Trump -- to help keep his parents safe." This is perhaps one of the most insulting and misinformed assertions I have heard in this election and, believe me, I've heard some doozies. If Drumpf were president, none of the Kahns would be in America and you have now revealed your prejudice and bigotry.
Congratulations!
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Len, I don't know where to begin, but I assume you don't read this news paper.
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When you talk about protecting ourselves from terrorism, are you including rightwing, white supremacist terrorism as well? Afterall, many law enforcement officials believe it is a far greater threat than anything Muslims have to offer. It has also been exacerbated and encouraged by the other candidate, you know, the one you are not criticizing. * smh *
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You will be surprised there are many Muslims -- more than you think -- who are from places that have seen the worst of terrorism, and therefore support vetting of people from terror hotspots.
I do not believe that anyone who supports vetting, is "Islamophic". Because that would make those patriotic Muslims, "Islamophobic" themselves, according to you.
Mr. Khan's son went to a Muslim country to fight other "bad" Muslims. Does that make him "Islamophobic" in your mind ?
I do not believe that anyone who supports vetting, is "Islamophic". Because that would make those patriotic Muslims, "Islamophobic" themselves, according to you.
Mr. Khan's son went to a Muslim country to fight other "bad" Muslims. Does that make him "Islamophobic" in your mind ?
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The expression "extreme vetting" is a dog whistle. And it is, indeed, Islamophobic.
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Muslims do not object to vetting, contrary to the political rhetoric, the vetting process is already ingrained in our current immigration process. The muslims do however consider banning immigration based on religion wrong and unconstitutional. Additionally Islamophobia includes many other facets of bigotry which need to be condemned.
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Bhaskar ... there is vetting, there is extreme vetting, and then banning. Trump encourages the second and the third. The US Immigration system already goes through a rigorous vetting process ... you went through it too for your own green card. Don't fool yourself (or don't try to hide behind your Islamophobia by calling it other names). Fighting a war in a Muslim country is not Islamophobia. I'm sure you know better.
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Like most Americans, I was not aware of the Khan family and their loss until the Democratic convention. I found Mr. Khan's speech, and the silent pain of Mrs. Khan, to the be highlight of both conventions. I have heard them since and feel that they embody all that is good in Americans and Mr. Khan's integrity and honesty rang out like an immense clear-toned bell.
Mr. Khan, thank you for your wonderful speech; you schooled all of us about what it means to be an American. If you were born here, I'd vote for you for President in a heartbeat. Your passion and precise articulation about the qualities necessary in this electorate and those running for office were inspiring. My deep condolences to you and your family; thank you for all you have done to elevate the conversation around this particularly repugnant election. Your intelligence and restraint stand in such contrast to the bluster and crude inaccuracies of Trump's utterances that it galls me to think that there is anyone who can vote for Trump. Many thanks, again.
Mr. Khan, thank you for your wonderful speech; you schooled all of us about what it means to be an American. If you were born here, I'd vote for you for President in a heartbeat. Your passion and precise articulation about the qualities necessary in this electorate and those running for office were inspiring. My deep condolences to you and your family; thank you for all you have done to elevate the conversation around this particularly repugnant election. Your intelligence and restraint stand in such contrast to the bluster and crude inaccuracies of Trump's utterances that it galls me to think that there is anyone who can vote for Trump. Many thanks, again.
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I have met and gotten to know many Muslim students and some of their families. They are wonderful American families. Some originally are from Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Algeria and other countries. They work hard! Very very hard. And they live and support their families as anyone in America does. And they are smart. These students will be your future doctors, accountants, next door neighbors. They have every right in the world to be here, and to be respected. My mother's parents were born in another country. She was 1st generation American. My dad's family has been here for too many generations to count. Immigrants make America strong and wonderful! As for criminals, there has always been a small criminal percentage in any heritage in the world. We don't build walls. We build bridges! I will continue to welcome Muslim immigrant families to our country. Donald Trump represents no one but himself.
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Every Muslim who is a citizen needs not only to vote, but to call at least a dozen of his/her/their friends and get them out to vote. As a "semi-George Bush veteran, i.e, got to dodge the draft by getting into the Army Reserve but did so on my own as my Daddy was not the President, and finished my obligation instead of deserting as did George," The thought when I was in the Army Reserve that would have had to salute and take orders from Trump literally turns my stomach. I simply cannot see most of our senior military personnel staying in instead of quitting or retiring if lazy voters allow Trump into the White House except as any other visitor as they, too, simply will be unable to salute or take orders from that very, very mentally ill guy.
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(Not Mark) First, Bush did not desert, he served honorably and flew jets, not exactly an easy assignment. Second, it seems that you learned very little in your stint in the guard. You do not serve the President. Your protect and defend the American constitution. Whoever has been voted into office, whether you like them or not, is the person you take your orders from. Period. It's called democracy and it seems very few people seem to understand it today and yes, I'm talking about seemingly liberal people. I'm just glad the military has many more educated and honorable people in the ranks who understand what makes this country great.
I have a very dear friend who is Muslim. He immigrated here as a child from Morocco. I've always considered myself blessed to have him in my life, he has a very multicultural view of the world and helps me see things from a different perspective.
After 9/11 it broke my heart to see how he changed. Suddenly he no longer felt safe wearing his Moroccan clothing. He stopped wearing his taqiyah and started wearing a baseball cap so people couldn't tell he was Muslim.
I'm grateful that the Khan's have told their story. We owe them a debt that cannot be repaid. Hopefully we will be able to set our prejudices aside and start seeing them as Americans who just happen to be Muslims and not just Muslims.
After 9/11 it broke my heart to see how he changed. Suddenly he no longer felt safe wearing his Moroccan clothing. He stopped wearing his taqiyah and started wearing a baseball cap so people couldn't tell he was Muslim.
I'm grateful that the Khan's have told their story. We owe them a debt that cannot be repaid. Hopefully we will be able to set our prejudices aside and start seeing them as Americans who just happen to be Muslims and not just Muslims.
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Hopefully Muslim Americans will come out to vote for Hillary Clinton this election. I am proud of the Khans and all Muslim Americans who have spoken out against bigotry and hatred. Speaking out is wonderful but voting is what counts. See you on election day!
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Yes to all of this article.
Cast your vote. Voicing your approval/disapproval of anything out loud is fine, but none of the candidates truly care what we think, only how we vote. Votes are the only thing that can change a politician's behavior.
Even if Muslim voters only comprise 1% of the population, I (as someone outside that particular community) encourage them to exert the maximum possible influence they can in their own interest, however its defined. Vote for someone. Vote against someone. Be a single-issue voter. Be a compromise voter. Vote with your head, your conscience or some weighted average of both. Vote an exclusive two-candidate system or go third-party. Heck, write someone in! Just make a conscious decision. Your vote is not wasted unless it you use it in a way that does not seem right to you.
We cannot let this year pass without harsh judgment. Between the outright insults and stubborn evasions, it's clear that some leaders misunderstand the fundamental nature of their relationship to us. Our votes can change that. WE decide the decency and tone of the rhetoric with which a candidate WILL address our fellow citizens. Period. WE decide what information a candidate WILL produce and whether it impacts our support of their candidacy. Period. As voters, our mandate is essentially total. Their mandate is nonexistent. If they disagree with these basic concepts, their only legitimate prerogative is to remain a private citizen.
So... vote.
Cast your vote. Voicing your approval/disapproval of anything out loud is fine, but none of the candidates truly care what we think, only how we vote. Votes are the only thing that can change a politician's behavior.
Even if Muslim voters only comprise 1% of the population, I (as someone outside that particular community) encourage them to exert the maximum possible influence they can in their own interest, however its defined. Vote for someone. Vote against someone. Be a single-issue voter. Be a compromise voter. Vote with your head, your conscience or some weighted average of both. Vote an exclusive two-candidate system or go third-party. Heck, write someone in! Just make a conscious decision. Your vote is not wasted unless it you use it in a way that does not seem right to you.
We cannot let this year pass without harsh judgment. Between the outright insults and stubborn evasions, it's clear that some leaders misunderstand the fundamental nature of their relationship to us. Our votes can change that. WE decide the decency and tone of the rhetoric with which a candidate WILL address our fellow citizens. Period. WE decide what information a candidate WILL produce and whether it impacts our support of their candidacy. Period. As voters, our mandate is essentially total. Their mandate is nonexistent. If they disagree with these basic concepts, their only legitimate prerogative is to remain a private citizen.
So... vote.
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Dear Friend, do you remember when you told me that you felt I was far away when moving to the countryside, and I replied that it was knowing you were working only a few steps away from Grand Central that would bring me back to the city where I was born.
Greetings to The Land of Hospitality from America where you are missed by your friends and colleagues. We understood each other a few months ago after you retired and you told me your plans were to go home. There was no need to press you for this choice of yours, and I believe your timing was right.
Do you remember ten years ago, when you told me that you were serious about taking an assignment in The Sudan? At our age, and after all the hard work you accomplished, I grew red in the face and was upset. But then I told you, I would always stand by you in your decision. It was a relief though when you did not take the position.
Little did we know that America was going to be in such turmoil. America, of all Nations, and I remember your parting words: 'The World is changing so quickly'. We may not meet again, but we will talk about beautiful things. You have been a source of inspiration. Please remember to drink enough water, and I will do the same. As you say, 'the rest is in the hands of God', and we will prevail at the end of the day.
Greetings to The Land of Hospitality from America where you are missed by your friends and colleagues. We understood each other a few months ago after you retired and you told me your plans were to go home. There was no need to press you for this choice of yours, and I believe your timing was right.
Do you remember ten years ago, when you told me that you were serious about taking an assignment in The Sudan? At our age, and after all the hard work you accomplished, I grew red in the face and was upset. But then I told you, I would always stand by you in your decision. It was a relief though when you did not take the position.
Little did we know that America was going to be in such turmoil. America, of all Nations, and I remember your parting words: 'The World is changing so quickly'. We may not meet again, but we will talk about beautiful things. You have been a source of inspiration. Please remember to drink enough water, and I will do the same. As you say, 'the rest is in the hands of God', and we will prevail at the end of the day.
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From what I’ve read American Muslims are trying hard to keep a low profile during this election. And who could blame them -- why would they wish to stir up bad feeling? After all, they number only about 1% of the U.S. population, hardly a number that is likely to make much of a difference in this election. Mr. Ali’s spirited if rather fierce insistence that his fellow faithful are not “Potato Head counterterrorism experts” (whatever in heaven does that mean?) probably elicits sympathy, but asserting rights “with swagger and demanding to be treated with fairness” sounds like a union get-together amply supplied with beer (yes, I recognize that beer probably isn’t the best image to conjure).
An increase of more than 30% in Muslim voter registration since 2012? What does that amount to? 50,000 across America? I can appreciate swagger, but it’s a little hard to take seriously numbers that might swing the election of county dead-animal-pickup commissioner, but not much else.
Khizr Khan is an interesting case. Trump certainly should have treated the family carefully, given a child who had died in the defense of America, but Mr. Kahn placed HIMSELF in the arena by attacking Trump in no uncertain terms – and certainly disrespectful ones – during the Democratic convention. What, Trump has no right to defend himself against such treatment?
All Americans should welcome American Muslim votes, whatever they be. But this op-ed takes political correctness about three galaxies too far.
An increase of more than 30% in Muslim voter registration since 2012? What does that amount to? 50,000 across America? I can appreciate swagger, but it’s a little hard to take seriously numbers that might swing the election of county dead-animal-pickup commissioner, but not much else.
Khizr Khan is an interesting case. Trump certainly should have treated the family carefully, given a child who had died in the defense of America, but Mr. Kahn placed HIMSELF in the arena by attacking Trump in no uncertain terms – and certainly disrespectful ones – during the Democratic convention. What, Trump has no right to defend himself against such treatment?
All Americans should welcome American Muslim votes, whatever they be. But this op-ed takes political correctness about three galaxies too far.
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You must have a short memory. Bush beat Gore by 537 votes in Florida, giving Bush the national win in 2000. Even a small number of votes could be decisive in 2016. As the article mentions, American Muslim votes are not evenly spread over the whole country, but tend to be concentrated in certain states. I welcome these voters to exercise their rights, not because it's "politically correct", but because that's what we stand for in this country.
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Trump richly earned each and every syllable of the Khan's disapprobation. Yes, Trump had a "right" to defend himself. But he could hardly have chosen a stupider way to go about it. Of course, we're talking about Donald Trump here, who must have set some sort of record by now for shooting himself in the foot--unless, like Mr. Luettgen apparently, you're proudly ensconced in the basket of deplorables, in which case Trump gets a pass on both reason and reality.
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Richard: According to Pew Research, there are about 3.3 million Muslims living in the US in 2015. In the 2011 survey, 80% of Muslims are US citizens, about 2/3 are adults. What the author argues is because there is a significant Muslim population in several swing States, they as a group can help decide the election at the Margin.
Remember, in Bush vs Gore, the vote count that decided the election was less 1,000.
Remember, in Bush vs Gore, the vote count that decided the election was less 1,000.
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Khizr Khan:
"We are honored to stand here as the parents of Capt. Humayun Khan and as patriotic American Muslims with undivided loyalty to our country.
Like many immigrants, we came to this country empty-handed. We believed in American democracy - that with hard work and the goodness of this country, we could share in and contribute to its blessings.
We were blessed to raise our three sons in a nation where they were free to follow their dreams. Our son Humayun had dreams of being a military lawyer. He put those dreams aside the day he sacrificed his life to save his fellow soldiers.
Hillary Clinton was right when she called my son "the best of America." If it was up to Donald Trump, he never would have been in America. Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities - women, judges, even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls and ban us from this country.
Donald Trump...let me ask you: Have you even read the U.S. Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words "liberty" and "equal protection of law."
Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery? Go look at the graves of the brave patriots who died defending America -- you will see all faiths, genders, and ethnicities.
You have sacrificed nothing and no one.
We can't solve our problems by building walls and sowing division. We are stronger together. And we will keep getting stronger when Hillary Clinton becomes our next President."
"We are honored to stand here as the parents of Capt. Humayun Khan and as patriotic American Muslims with undivided loyalty to our country.
Like many immigrants, we came to this country empty-handed. We believed in American democracy - that with hard work and the goodness of this country, we could share in and contribute to its blessings.
We were blessed to raise our three sons in a nation where they were free to follow their dreams. Our son Humayun had dreams of being a military lawyer. He put those dreams aside the day he sacrificed his life to save his fellow soldiers.
Hillary Clinton was right when she called my son "the best of America." If it was up to Donald Trump, he never would have been in America. Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities - women, judges, even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls and ban us from this country.
Donald Trump...let me ask you: Have you even read the U.S. Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words "liberty" and "equal protection of law."
Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery? Go look at the graves of the brave patriots who died defending America -- you will see all faiths, genders, and ethnicities.
You have sacrificed nothing and no one.
We can't solve our problems by building walls and sowing division. We are stronger together. And we will keep getting stronger when Hillary Clinton becomes our next President."
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Socrates, so you believe Mr. Khan sacrificed his son? I'm pretty sure he didn't coerce his son to fight. His son enlisted did he not? If Mr. Khan did indeed force his son into the military I hadn't heard that. It should be illegal to sacrifice somebody in the way Mr. Khan suggests. Even if such a sacrifice could be exploited in a partisan manner. The soldier does the sacrificing.
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While an appeal to emotions may make folks feel good about things, such pseudo argument is fallacious and thus not persuasive or true in its declarations. We need to understand and grasp, not emote and declare.
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To the person you quoted as saying he will make s protest vote I have to ask, How much more does Hillary use to do than feature a Muslim family and their story as a centerpiece of her party's convention? get over yourself. The stakes are way too high for that foolishness
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