Marijuana is a Federal Schedule II drug for the same reason that the penalties for "Crack" Cocaine is much harsher than for powdered Cocaine. When the law was written, marijuana and Crack Cocaine were the drugs of the non-white minorities. There is no reliable evidence about the risks of marijuana use because the DEA is the gatekeeper on drug research, so there is no real research allowed.
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"Even if they (states in which marijuana use is legal) are not prosecuted by the federal government, this conflict in their legal status creates immense problems."
States' rights? Or are states' rights limited to racial and sex/gender discrimination?
States' rights? Or are states' rights limited to racial and sex/gender discrimination?
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Thank god. Prohibition creates black markets. Those markets are run by criminal elements making access dangerous. Prohibition also allows for the stigmatization of users who often end up convicted of a criminal offense resulting in the forfeiture of some of their rights. It targets groups who likely use marijuana, young men. Particularly minorities. Outlawing a plant is ridiculous and unconstitutional. Besides, the privatization of penal institutions probably had a lot to do with it.
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it appears,
for all intents and purposes,
to be working-out quite well for MOST people,
here in the PNW.
"Socrates" is quite correct,
at this point in time.
it is past-time to expand the nation's horizons.
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The debate over legalization of cannabis is over… 60% of Americans approve and that will grow at a steeper path then ever over the next 10 years.
It might be worthwhile to devote the time and energy now devoted to “should we” to the task of “how to best regulate”. For example, enjoying cannabis has some effect on one’s ability to process multiple thing simultaneously – and therefore has some effect on one’s ability to drive an automobile. Let’s turn our attention to identifying the safest implementations of legal cannabis, and forget the “should we legalize” noise.
It might be worthwhile to devote the time and energy now devoted to “should we” to the task of “how to best regulate”. For example, enjoying cannabis has some effect on one’s ability to process multiple thing simultaneously – and therefore has some effect on one’s ability to drive an automobile. Let’s turn our attention to identifying the safest implementations of legal cannabis, and forget the “should we legalize” noise.
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Where's the scientific basis for Ms. Clinton's opinion that pot ought to be schedule II? Did she use the "That Looks About Right" method?
Heres Schedule III:
The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.
Heres Schedule III:
The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.
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Apparently Wall Street believes in Medical Marijuana. Google GWPH.
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While medical marijuana may be "legal" in many states, it's certainly not available. In NJ there are only 5 legally operating dispensaries for a state with 9 million residents.
By comparison, there are something like 1,700 liquor stores selling a drug (alcohol) that's far more addictive and toxic than marijuana and far more outlets for tobacco.
Just like the steps leading up to the repeal of prohibition, I'm hoping we're at the tipping point for decriminalizing pot, and regulating it properly.
By comparison, there are something like 1,700 liquor stores selling a drug (alcohol) that's far more addictive and toxic than marijuana and far more outlets for tobacco.
Just like the steps leading up to the repeal of prohibition, I'm hoping we're at the tipping point for decriminalizing pot, and regulating it properly.
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I never thought I would ever say this, but marijuana has been a lifesaver. At 32 years of age, I have very bad, crippling rheumatoid arthritis, sometimes my joints so badly I can't open my hands, I can't walk, I can't think, I can't work, I can't get out of bed. I have refused the injectable "biologic" drugs like Humira and Embril because the way they work is to suppress the immune system - causing sometimes fatal side effects and cancers. And long-term steroid use is equally as dangerous. MJ helps to control my joint pain and to help me sleep when I can't get comfortable. Currently I have to buy marijuana illegally to find relief. Once in a while, I get a bad batch. This scares me, but knowing that this plant has the ability to make me feel so healed keeps me buying. I just wish this could be made accessible to me through legal, FDA controlled means. My quality of life would be infinitely better. Fingers crossed!
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I am confused. We have articles in the NYT that say the single issue that readers consider to be of the utmost importance is climate change and that the failure of the media and the presidential debates to adequately address this issue is a disgrace. Yet whenever marijuana legalization is discussed here there is never any mention about the negative impact that the legalization of marijuana could have on the environment. California has been experiencing record droughts for the past few years, and they have already had issues with illegal marijuana growers stealing water to maintain their plants. How does California and the other states that want to or already have legalized marijuana plan to address the vast amounts of energy, land and other natural resources that will be necessary to support a large marijuana industry? Does anyone know or care about how much its legalization could contribute to our already outrageous carbon footprint?
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If your argument is against growing crops per se as environmentally irresponsible, we are in big trouble. And mixing in the theft of water into the issue is absurd. Theft is regulated on it own.
Should the entire Imperial Valley be dismantled as well? Quit bringing red herrings into this discussion and be honest with yourself--you object to the use of marijuana.
Meanwhile, I'll be up here in the PNW enjoying my leisurely and wonderfully progessive existence....
Should the entire Imperial Valley be dismantled as well? Quit bringing red herrings into this discussion and be honest with yourself--you object to the use of marijuana.
Meanwhile, I'll be up here in the PNW enjoying my leisurely and wonderfully progessive existence....
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If it is no longer illegal, it can be regulated. If it is no longer illegal, people will not have to plant on national parks. If it is legal, we will no longer have to use high-energy indoor grow-houses. Legalization, with requisite regulation, will make the carbon footprint less onerous. Plus, transportation costs will decrease as our nuggets will be less and less coming from south of the border, or even across state lines.
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Keeping marijuana illegal and in a higher class does a variety of things.
Number One is that it helps to control the masses or underlings in society.
Two, keeps it much more profitable. And lastly, greases the wheels, (and palms), of law enforcement agencies, lawyers, and the myriad of people with jobs directly related-think prison employees, courts, parole officers, drug testing industry, on and on. How many people's lives have been completely destroyed for just having a little bit of weed in their possession? Millions.
Bottom line is that legalization hurts the above and largely the liquor industry and big pharma. And their lobbyists are extremely well funded.
It's always ALL about the money. Question any politician who is staunchly against legalization. They're most likely on the payrolls of alcohol and drug manufacturers. Or are possibly alcoholics themselves. Good old boys club.
The for profit alcohol/drug rehab industry is growing hand over fist right now.
Many of the investors are the same as the prison industry. It's an insurance boondoggle as well. Way too many fingers in the illegal pie. Mmmm, pie.
Number One is that it helps to control the masses or underlings in society.
Two, keeps it much more profitable. And lastly, greases the wheels, (and palms), of law enforcement agencies, lawyers, and the myriad of people with jobs directly related-think prison employees, courts, parole officers, drug testing industry, on and on. How many people's lives have been completely destroyed for just having a little bit of weed in their possession? Millions.
Bottom line is that legalization hurts the above and largely the liquor industry and big pharma. And their lobbyists are extremely well funded.
It's always ALL about the money. Question any politician who is staunchly against legalization. They're most likely on the payrolls of alcohol and drug manufacturers. Or are possibly alcoholics themselves. Good old boys club.
The for profit alcohol/drug rehab industry is growing hand over fist right now.
Many of the investors are the same as the prison industry. It's an insurance boondoggle as well. Way too many fingers in the illegal pie. Mmmm, pie.
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Couldn't agree more, time to invest in cc cookies!
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Although I don't believe in draconian drug laws and believe they're counterproductive, it's difficult to imagine that we can't aspire for more for our children. One on my lasting impressions of Portland and also Boulder is the vast numbers of young people sitting or even sprawled on the sidewalks in the middle of the day smoking marijuana.
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All Drug use should be up to the States, not the Fed, who wastes more monies and resources spinning wheels, than accomplishing halting and reducing drug availability and use.
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We're facing a worldwide Cancer Epidemic.
If you're an American Man, you've got a 1 out of 2 chance of getting Cancer and a 1 out of 2 chance of dying from it.
If you're an American Woman, you've got a 1 out of 3 chance of getting Cancer and a 1 out of 2 chance of dying from it.
Half of all Cancer deaths happen to people in the prime of their life.
Cancer is the #1 cause of disease based death in American Children.
I'm a Scientist with a strong interest in Cancer Research.
Marijuana is a "Wonder Drug" for Cancer Patients.
The more I learn about Cannabis, the more amazed I become.
Every Cancer patient deserves the right to have safe, legal, access to Medical Marijuana.
Every. Single. One.
If you're an American Man, you've got a 1 out of 2 chance of getting Cancer and a 1 out of 2 chance of dying from it.
If you're an American Woman, you've got a 1 out of 3 chance of getting Cancer and a 1 out of 2 chance of dying from it.
Half of all Cancer deaths happen to people in the prime of their life.
Cancer is the #1 cause of disease based death in American Children.
I'm a Scientist with a strong interest in Cancer Research.
Marijuana is a "Wonder Drug" for Cancer Patients.
The more I learn about Cannabis, the more amazed I become.
Every Cancer patient deserves the right to have safe, legal, access to Medical Marijuana.
Every. Single. One.
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Past time to allow for national legal marijuana sales. Place a federal consumption tax, and move on already. Empty the jails of all those in jail for marijuana and the costs to run prisons will fall. Revenue increase, cost cuts, and the demand for marijuana may increase but since it will lose its demeanor of being illegal, long term its popularity will be lost.
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Stop calling marijuana a drug. It's exactly as much a drug as Coffee, tea or a calming tisane. The enforcement bureaucracy needed a scapegoat after the repeal of prohibition, so they could stay in business. Stop the madness.
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Thanks for this and your extraordinary set of editorials last year.
Now please start calling it Cannabis. "Marijuana" is a derogatory term first applied for racist reasons to support the prohibition.
Now please start calling it Cannabis. "Marijuana" is a derogatory term first applied for racist reasons to support the prohibition.
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There was a big banner on a newly refurbished school here thanking the voters for legalizing cannabis which provide the money for the school to rebuild.
Violent crime is down here as is teenage pot smoking. After all, how cool is it to sneak off to smoke the herb that you took from your grandma's purse?
If Wasserman-Shultz had been replaced earlier we might have seen a big push from the democratic party to get the issue on more State's ballots. It would have driven out more people to vote, like the repubs do with abortion on ballots. The only election the very un-political drummer in my band voted in was 2012 when legalization was on our ballot. He also voted for Obama.
Violent crime is down here as is teenage pot smoking. After all, how cool is it to sneak off to smoke the herb that you took from your grandma's purse?
If Wasserman-Shultz had been replaced earlier we might have seen a big push from the democratic party to get the issue on more State's ballots. It would have driven out more people to vote, like the repubs do with abortion on ballots. The only election the very un-political drummer in my band voted in was 2012 when legalization was on our ballot. He also voted for Obama.
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As usual Hillary Clinton is trailing the politics and social awareness of marijuana legalization. She was behind on same sex marriage, on TPP, and now on marijuana reform. The debates should have brought up this issue which affects millions of Americans but the moderators and press would rather focus on absurd issues and personal asides that have zero policy reverberations. Moving mj from schedule 1 to 2 is something that should have been done 30 years ago- it simply shows how out of touch and how tentative she is as she demonstrates again and again that she will not take a position unless all polling shows it is w/o any political risk.
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If grass were legalized, it would help our drug problem enormously. -Ken Kesey
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Legalize all drugs and take away the present criminals way to make money. People must be responsible for their actions. Control the drugs so they are not easy to get by kids although alcohol and pot is pretty easy for kids to obtain. Meanwhile big pharma pushes many drugs whose side effects can be worse than the symptoms being treated.
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I see almost all of the southern States are not going along with it. Shows their ignorance.
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"Hillary Clinton has promised to move marijuana from Schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act (for drugs like heroin and LSD that have no accepted medical use) to Schedule 2, which includes opioid drugs that are medically useful but have a “high potential for abuse.”
Heroin and LSD? If the Ed board is going to comment on drugs educating itself is a prerequisite. The two are polar opposites and recently this vary paper reported on LSD medical research. One would think the distinction would be reflected in the Ed Boards commentary.
Another important aspect of nine states voting on marijuana is hopefully it will bring out young voters.
Heroin and LSD? If the Ed board is going to comment on drugs educating itself is a prerequisite. The two are polar opposites and recently this vary paper reported on LSD medical research. One would think the distinction would be reflected in the Ed Boards commentary.
Another important aspect of nine states voting on marijuana is hopefully it will bring out young voters.
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All that statement did was list the drugs on Schedule 1. It made no comparisons among them.
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yes there is research on LSD, but that's hardly accepted medical use
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Don't boycott that joint, my friend.
Pass laws to smoke legally.
Pass laws to smoke legally.
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I'd like to see the decriminalization, if not total legalization, of all drugs, while still enforcing laws against theft and similar crimes perpetrated by drug abusers to feed their addiction. The law enforcement money and resources freed up by legalization should reallocated to drug treatment.
On the flip side, I would allow any person (to include corporate "persons" and government entities) to discriminate against those who use drugs. Drugs would be defined to include nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine. Any individual, business or government entity could refuse to hire an employee or serve a customer if that individual used any drug that was prohibited by that individual/business/ government.
So everyone has the freedom to do as they see fit, but also to bear the consequences of their decisions.
On the flip side, I would allow any person (to include corporate "persons" and government entities) to discriminate against those who use drugs. Drugs would be defined to include nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine. Any individual, business or government entity could refuse to hire an employee or serve a customer if that individual used any drug that was prohibited by that individual/business/ government.
So everyone has the freedom to do as they see fit, but also to bear the consequences of their decisions.
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Impressive progress for what was once considered a silly and unrealistic fringe movement. Look at what a little grassroots energy can accomplish.
This is a sign of hope for progressive movements that are facing seemingly intractable setbacks (gun safety, reproductive rights, Black Lives Matter, fixing immigration system, climate change response)
This is a sign of hope for progressive movements that are facing seemingly intractable setbacks (gun safety, reproductive rights, Black Lives Matter, fixing immigration system, climate change response)
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This is a sign of hope for stoners and stoners only.
There are currently 2 drugs on the market (marinol and casamet) which are man-made forms of cannabis. But they don't get you high.
There are currently 2 drugs on the market (marinol and casamet) which are man-made forms of cannabis. But they don't get you high.
I hope it doesn't pass. We like everyone coming to CO with their vacation money. It's one reason our economy is so hot.
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Medical Marijuana users in California should take the time to read this Proposition (64) very carefully. It seems that it will pass and become law, but it will be a net loss for the Medical Marijuana community. Proposition 215 (Compassionate Care Act) will be subsumed under Prop 64 and a significant number of the 'rights' which were granted will be lost.
Unfortunately most of us have not read the fine print. Legalization is the only right way to go, but this law is not the best way to do it. It's hard to decide whether to vote against a Proposition which says it "legalizes", but ultimately it might be a better choice to wait until it is done right.
Unfortunately most of us have not read the fine print. Legalization is the only right way to go, but this law is not the best way to do it. It's hard to decide whether to vote against a Proposition which says it "legalizes", but ultimately it might be a better choice to wait until it is done right.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
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It is never good to wait around for a perfect law. The point is, 64 is much better than what you have now. There were still hundreds of thousands of arrests in California for marijuana possession last year alone. The amount of damage being done with this insane policy cannot be overstated. California voted no on prop 19, it took 6 years just to get another bite at the apple. You can't expect investors to keep coming back and putting in tens of millions of dollars just to get voted down because the law wasn't perfect. Vote no this time, and who knows how long it will take to get another go at legalization. Anyone can say legalize it, but it takes tens of millions of dollars and a massive network to get it done.
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If all the alcoholics could switch to mj use--we would have a much less dangerous country and deaths and family fracture from alcohol use would plunge.
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Dennis Peron,...Thank you!
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As a person with chronic pain due to an auto-immune disorder, I have spent years trying to avoid getting hooked on prescription painkillers or damaging my organs by overusing Tylenol, Advil, and other over-the-counter drugs. I use marijuana for pain management because it is natural, non-addictive, and far less dangerous than the alternatives. And I am going to continue using it whether or not it is legalized in my state come November. That said, it is important to acknowledge what a failure to legalize it will do. It will entrench the stigma against the use of pot as a painkiller, encourage the continued abuse of prescription pills, and fail to curb the opioid epidemic that is ravaging this country.
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Yes, "Passage of these proposals should increase pressure on the federal government to change how it treats marijuana." Federal laws are necessary. Same with guns. State laws simply cause chaos, and criminal prosecution goes up, until Federal laws control them evenly across America.
The tobacco lobby and BIG pharma probably do not want marijuana legalized. When the majority of Americans do WE must take action to insist that OUR lawmakers decriminalize it and set standards. It's up to US!
The tobacco lobby and BIG pharma probably do not want marijuana legalized. When the majority of Americans do WE must take action to insist that OUR lawmakers decriminalize it and set standards. It's up to US!
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Editor -- please replace the earlier version of this comment which contained typographical errors. A corrected and updated version follows. -- Thank you.
Schedule one itself is a bad idea. It's arbitrary and doesn't make scientific or medical sense.
People talk about Marijuana being on the same drug schedule as Heroin, but the irony is that Fentanly which is 20 times stronger than Heroin, is on Schedule 2, as is Cocaine and Meth.
Marijuana on Son a more restrictive schedule than Cocaine, Meth, and an Opiate 20 times strong than Heroin, yet nobody in the history of mankind has ever died of an overdose of Marijuana, and Marijuana now appears to have the ability to help prevent Cancer in addition to helping with the symptoms of Chemo, and with Cancer Pain; to give Cancer patients back their ability to eat food and keep it down, which helps them fight Cancer, and to help fight Cancer itself -- and it is often the only thing that works against Cancer depression -- and nothing is more depressing than dying of Cancer -- ask anyone that's doing it.
Google Kaiser 45% Less Bladder Cancer.
Google Dana 92% Pediatiric Oncologists recommend Medical Cannabis.
Google Cannabis anti-cancer mechanisms of action.
Schedule one itself is a bad idea. It's arbitrary and doesn't make scientific or medical sense.
People talk about Marijuana being on the same drug schedule as Heroin, but the irony is that Fentanly which is 20 times stronger than Heroin, is on Schedule 2, as is Cocaine and Meth.
Marijuana on Son a more restrictive schedule than Cocaine, Meth, and an Opiate 20 times strong than Heroin, yet nobody in the history of mankind has ever died of an overdose of Marijuana, and Marijuana now appears to have the ability to help prevent Cancer in addition to helping with the symptoms of Chemo, and with Cancer Pain; to give Cancer patients back their ability to eat food and keep it down, which helps them fight Cancer, and to help fight Cancer itself -- and it is often the only thing that works against Cancer depression -- and nothing is more depressing than dying of Cancer -- ask anyone that's doing it.
Google Kaiser 45% Less Bladder Cancer.
Google Dana 92% Pediatiric Oncologists recommend Medical Cannabis.
Google Cannabis anti-cancer mechanisms of action.
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A couple of questions from a state that will probably legalize everyday use:
How does Marijuana stack up as far as water use versus other crops?
In the old days, 5 yrs ago, growing Marijuana wrecked the surrounding areas and polluted watersheds. Is this still true?
Will the legalization of Marijuana allow hemp to be grown commercially?
Will legalization come with quality controls so that a consumer knows that his/her high comes from the pot and not DDT that was sprayed on the plant in the field?
How does Marijuana stack up as far as water use versus other crops?
In the old days, 5 yrs ago, growing Marijuana wrecked the surrounding areas and polluted watersheds. Is this still true?
Will the legalization of Marijuana allow hemp to be grown commercially?
Will legalization come with quality controls so that a consumer knows that his/her high comes from the pot and not DDT that was sprayed on the plant in the field?
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As the former Director of Marijuana Programs for Oregon let me respond.
In the past marijuana grows did polute the land. This was because the grow sites were unlicensed and there were no restrictions on what, if any chemicals, could be used to help the plant grow. Today in Oregon only approved (by the licensing agencies) pesticides can be used and the entire grow operation is inspected by the licensing agencies.
The growing of hemp will be determined by each individual state law.
All product sold in Oregon must be tested for pesticides. Any product that fails the test must be destroyed under the inspection of the licensing agency.
In the past marijuana grows did polute the land. This was because the grow sites were unlicensed and there were no restrictions on what, if any chemicals, could be used to help the plant grow. Today in Oregon only approved (by the licensing agencies) pesticides can be used and the entire grow operation is inspected by the licensing agencies.
The growing of hemp will be determined by each individual state law.
All product sold in Oregon must be tested for pesticides. Any product that fails the test must be destroyed under the inspection of the licensing agency.
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DDT is illegal. has been for yrs. you mean Roundup?
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California has a marijuana problem.......the use of the drug plus the amount of water necessary to grow the plants. For the answers to water use, go to http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/marijuana-growers-sucking-california-dry/
"Are marijuana growers sucking California dry?
"Adult marijuana plants use five to 10 gallons of water a day. What the scientists have found, and recently published in the scientific journal PLOS ONE, is that thousands of marijuana farms like this one are depleting streams at the height of the drought.
"Scott Bauer is a senior environmental scientist with Fish and Wildlife.
"SCOTT BAUER, California Fish and Wildlife: For the watersheds that we studied, three of four watersheds, we estimate marijuana cultivation can consume all of the stream flow. It’s aggravating the low-flow conditions of the stream. You already have a stream that’s suffering through a lack of rainfall or snowmelt.
"SPENCER MICHELS: This farm is owned by an absentee landlord and manned by several workers, one of whom took off when we arrived."
What do you want, California? Drinking water? Household water for bathing and washing clothing/sheets/towels etc.: Water to grow vegetables and fruits, including wine grapes? Or increasing use of recreational marijuana?
The adults in the room know you can't have it all.
"Are marijuana growers sucking California dry?
"Adult marijuana plants use five to 10 gallons of water a day. What the scientists have found, and recently published in the scientific journal PLOS ONE, is that thousands of marijuana farms like this one are depleting streams at the height of the drought.
"Scott Bauer is a senior environmental scientist with Fish and Wildlife.
"SCOTT BAUER, California Fish and Wildlife: For the watersheds that we studied, three of four watersheds, we estimate marijuana cultivation can consume all of the stream flow. It’s aggravating the low-flow conditions of the stream. You already have a stream that’s suffering through a lack of rainfall or snowmelt.
"SPENCER MICHELS: This farm is owned by an absentee landlord and manned by several workers, one of whom took off when we arrived."
What do you want, California? Drinking water? Household water for bathing and washing clothing/sheets/towels etc.: Water to grow vegetables and fruits, including wine grapes? Or increasing use of recreational marijuana?
The adults in the room know you can't have it all.
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The Washington Post recently published a study showing that a *huge decrease in painkiller use occurred in states that legalized marijuana ("One striking chart shows why pharma companies are fighting legal marijuana," July 13, 2016). One result has been fewer painkiller overdoses and deaths in the states that legalized MJ. A second result is lower health care costs, since MJ is more effective and a less costly way of reducing many types of pain. A third result is stepped-up political activity by Big Pharma companies to deny the findings of the study. (Addicted to money, they will say anything for another fix.)
Another recent Wash. Post article suggests that police officers and prosecutors around the nation would rather put marijuana users in jail than work on harder cases. The headline says it all: "Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined" (Oct. 12, 2016).
In a just society, ordinary citizens would not be sent to jail for engaging in the same leisure activities that presidents and members of Congress have engaged in. It is hypocritical and undemocratic to suggest otherwise. It also appears we could save much of what we're currently spending for police, prosecutors and jails without risking a crime wave.
Another recent Wash. Post article suggests that police officers and prosecutors around the nation would rather put marijuana users in jail than work on harder cases. The headline says it all: "Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined" (Oct. 12, 2016).
In a just society, ordinary citizens would not be sent to jail for engaging in the same leisure activities that presidents and members of Congress have engaged in. It is hypocritical and undemocratic to suggest otherwise. It also appears we could save much of what we're currently spending for police, prosecutors and jails without risking a crime wave.
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There are medical problems with marijuana. There are problems with eating fatty barbecued steak. But the worse problems are that many people are jailed and harassed because of it. The underground economy supports crime and makes crime. It is better to legalize it so you can control it even more. Taxing it makes it so the medical problems can be paid for. We can pay for more police to keep it away from kids. My only qualms is why we don't tax it more. In Ca. The tax is about $25 per ounce if an ounce is $100. An additional $8 dollars is tacked on by local government. Why $100? Because legal growing of a very easy plant to grow will bring the price way down. In the past it went for as high as $200 per ounce. The tax should be at least $50 per ounce. This could be used to mitigate many of the current problems, solve many others. You have a right to get high, but I should have to pay for the problems it causes.
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First, I support full legalization of marijuana.
However your statement "It’s time the federal government acknowledged these costs and got out of the way of states adopting more rational laws." seems odd, given how often your editorial board seems to equate States rights to adopt laws out of touch with the Federal standards as racist and evil. As a consistent position, either the individual states have a right to their own social experiments like drug use or marriage requirements, or they have to fall into line with what the Federal government sets as law.
However your statement "It’s time the federal government acknowledged these costs and got out of the way of states adopting more rational laws." seems odd, given how often your editorial board seems to equate States rights to adopt laws out of touch with the Federal standards as racist and evil. As a consistent position, either the individual states have a right to their own social experiments like drug use or marriage requirements, or they have to fall into line with what the Federal government sets as law.
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States rights is not an all or nothing thing. The fact that "states rights" has been the battle cry for various right wing causes, doesn't mean the States don't have a roll to play in government. The allocation of responsibilities is sometimes difficult to sort ouy. In our federal system States generally have the right to regulate in areas where the feds haven't. Here there is no good reason for the feds to be regulating marijuana because in the end it is a local police matter.
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In the meantime, I buy my stuff from some students in the park just behind the school, with no quality guarantee of course. Make it legal already.
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Congratulations for contributing to the delinquency of minors and supporting criminal activity. Grow up already.
To dpottman ••however i don't see how the state if it passes (it will) will find it possible to limit any growing restrictions in the backyard••:
Writing from WA state. The state CAN impose growing restrictions in your backyard. In WA only medical growers can have that plant in the backyard, and acquiring that medical card is not a walk in the park. And that's the very tippy-top of the obstacles the state has put in place to keep cannabis very much under the thumb of powers far greater than the will of the people. We are very very very far from the day when a cannabis plant among the carrots doesn't raise an eyebrow.
Writing from WA state. The state CAN impose growing restrictions in your backyard. In WA only medical growers can have that plant in the backyard, and acquiring that medical card is not a walk in the park. And that's the very tippy-top of the obstacles the state has put in place to keep cannabis very much under the thumb of powers far greater than the will of the people. We are very very very far from the day when a cannabis plant among the carrots doesn't raise an eyebrow.
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Finally, the U.S. is coming to terms with the legalization of a relatively innocuous drug. Compared to alcohol or prescribed opiates, marijuana is non-addictive and much less harmful to individuals and society. The only reason crime is associated with it is because it is illegal, much to the detriment of people who are caught and arrested by an unthinking criminal justice system. It's especially a shame that 1) Federal funding is unavailable for cannabis research into use for treating conditions like epilepsy and glaucoma as well as chronic pain, and 2) Half of states still do not permit its legal use for treating these conditions despite promising results in many individual patients. Time for America to wake up and end this senseless prohibition.
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In making your point, you state that " Compared to alcohol or prescribed opiates, marijuana is non-addictive and much less harmful to individuals and society."
Alcohol, opiates, and marijuana are all addictive.
Do some research on addiction treatment centers and the revolving doors that accommodate patients who leave and return. The vast majority of patients are treated again and again and again. The two most frequent reasons for re-admission are patients who are brought by desperate family members and court-ordered treatment.
Most of the patients want some magical cure, as they don't realize the cure comes from within. All the addiction treatment center can do is provide the information to help the patient make the decision to quit.
Addiction treatment consumes an enormous amount of 'health care' dollars, and most of the costs of addiction treatment is born by taxpayers.
Alcohol, opiates, and marijuana are all addictive.
Do some research on addiction treatment centers and the revolving doors that accommodate patients who leave and return. The vast majority of patients are treated again and again and again. The two most frequent reasons for re-admission are patients who are brought by desperate family members and court-ordered treatment.
Most of the patients want some magical cure, as they don't realize the cure comes from within. All the addiction treatment center can do is provide the information to help the patient make the decision to quit.
Addiction treatment consumes an enormous amount of 'health care' dollars, and most of the costs of addiction treatment is born by taxpayers.
One thing the feds need to do is allow the existing programs, medical and recreational have a means to banking. Because selling marijuana is illegal on a federal level all transactions must be in cash. The banks cannot offer checking accounts and credit card transactions. Instead the merchants have to drive hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash to "warehouses" which charge them for storage. All of their bills must be paid in cash including employees salaries and rent.
The hypocrisy of it all is ridiculous. The feds will accept these illegally obtained funds to pay withholding taxes from those paychecks and income taxes due.
The hypocrisy of it all is ridiculous. The feds will accept these illegally obtained funds to pay withholding taxes from those paychecks and income taxes due.
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Many have suggested police are naturally opposed to legalization of marijuana for various reasons. In Oregon most criminal justice professionals (police, prosecutors, judges) supported legalizing marijuana. The reason? According to a letter a coalition of them wrote just before Oregonians voted in 2014, “Treating marijuana as a crime has failed. Arresting and citing thousands of people in Oregon and elsewhere for marijuana-related crimes is a distraction to law enforcement and a misuse of taxpayer resources. The time and money spent should go to make our communities safer. Police resources should be focused on violent criminals, thieves and criminal cartels.”
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If states can nullify federal law regarding marijuana, why shouldn't they be allowed to nullify all federal laws that are unpopular within their jurisdiction?
The Constitution doesn't grant presidents permission to determine which federal laws enacted by Congress should be enforced. It tasks president to "take care" that laws passed by Congress are "faithfully executed." Deliberately refusing to enforce federal law is an impeachable offense.
The Constitution doesn't grant presidents permission to determine which federal laws enacted by Congress should be enforced. It tasks president to "take care" that laws passed by Congress are "faithfully executed." Deliberately refusing to enforce federal law is an impeachable offense.
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Complete nonsense. Federal law still stands today, it is the feds responsibility to enforce it. Luckily the states do not have to help them. And without our help, the feds are almost powerless. 99% of arrests and investigations happen at the state and local level. States are free to change their criminal codes as they see fit. The states are under no obligation to enforce federal law, or criminalize marijuana use. This issue has been brought up before the supreme court a couple of times, with regards to medical marijuana. It never got anywhere because the states aren't doing anything the 10th amendment doesn't allow them to do.
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Cannabis in schedule II with a 'high potential for abuse'? When killers alcohol and tobacco aren't even in the schedule? Enough already.
Big pharma desperately wants cannabis to stay schedule I or II, and force people to use medicinal cannabis only through their high priced manufactured products. That will never happen, and it may be up to public opinion to force the next president to put it in a less restrictive category.
Big pharma desperately wants cannabis to stay schedule I or II, and force people to use medicinal cannabis only through their high priced manufactured products. That will never happen, and it may be up to public opinion to force the next president to put it in a less restrictive category.
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Follow the money. Find out who is spending big money attempting to keep marijuana a Class 1 drug and punish those who want to use it for medical or recreational purposes.
When you find out who these people are, it will help you make a better decision on which way to go.
When you find out who these people are, it will help you make a better decision on which way to go.
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I am not sure what is more dangerous.
Legalizing marijuana drug laws in the states, which is direct conflict with federal law
( or )
Not allowing the businesses which are operating in the states that have enacted the laws already to not use credit\banking for their transactions. This creates a scenario where huge amounts of money having to be moved back and forth with more exposure for illegal activities including theft.
If you are going to legalize, then legalize the banking infrastructure as well.
Legalizing marijuana drug laws in the states, which is direct conflict with federal law
( or )
Not allowing the businesses which are operating in the states that have enacted the laws already to not use credit\banking for their transactions. This creates a scenario where huge amounts of money having to be moved back and forth with more exposure for illegal activities including theft.
If you are going to legalize, then legalize the banking infrastructure as well.
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"Lights up?
Let's put it this way:
It's certainly more fun than listening to whatever it is that prompts Donald Trump's refusal to believe in Democracy.
[Pass me the bleepin' toke, GW, 'fore Abe gets his big hands wrapped around it.] What? So, you got assassinated because of equal rights and FREEdom! You think that tops The 'rumps accomplishments?
Try toppin' the Mar-the-Seacoast, ok?
What's that?
A hotel ( and thank the Lord it had yet to mar the beauty of these still United States back then; bummer of a place to have had to die in). It's on the coast of Florida. Never been there? Lucky you. They still have the a skidzillion Rebel Flags they sell every year in The South. Matter a fact (chill, Donald, I know you're struggling with that concept -- "facts" -- aka TRUTH, and stop crossing them tiny crossed fingers of yours, too --)...
See, we still fight the Civil War because of all those silver-bearded Generals and their gray uni. Why, I can tell you exactly how many bronze Statues of you I saw during a swing through the South one College road trip decades ago.
Zero.
But you won the war.
And that made America safe for The Donald.
Let's put it this way:
It's certainly more fun than listening to whatever it is that prompts Donald Trump's refusal to believe in Democracy.
[Pass me the bleepin' toke, GW, 'fore Abe gets his big hands wrapped around it.] What? So, you got assassinated because of equal rights and FREEdom! You think that tops The 'rumps accomplishments?
Try toppin' the Mar-the-Seacoast, ok?
What's that?
A hotel ( and thank the Lord it had yet to mar the beauty of these still United States back then; bummer of a place to have had to die in). It's on the coast of Florida. Never been there? Lucky you. They still have the a skidzillion Rebel Flags they sell every year in The South. Matter a fact (chill, Donald, I know you're struggling with that concept -- "facts" -- aka TRUTH, and stop crossing them tiny crossed fingers of yours, too --)...
See, we still fight the Civil War because of all those silver-bearded Generals and their gray uni. Why, I can tell you exactly how many bronze Statues of you I saw during a swing through the South one College road trip decades ago.
Zero.
But you won the war.
And that made America safe for The Donald.
Here comes President Hillary Clinton, with a 1990s pantsuit and a Marijuana policy to match. She'll still be 'evolving' on the subject until a tsunami of public opinion washes her out to sea, then she'll claim she loved it all along.
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doeas alcohol have an " accepted medical use"? if not, why is it not a schedule. 1 drug? its all hogwash
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HILLARY'S HIGH TIMES I guess that she, along with Bill, didn't inhale back in the day. We'll never know. But it matters not at all, since states are adopting legalized use of marijuana for medical purposes in increasing numbers, as are those who have legalized the recreational use of marijuana. Who ever would have thought, back in the day, when we children of the 60s rebelled using marijuana as one of the prime vehicles of protest, that marijuana would be legalized in so many ways in so many ways? It's high time that marijuana prohibition be ended.
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ABOUT TIME !
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What I'd like to see is a public retraction by the NYT's David Brooks of his deeply ignorant and egocentric editorial entitled something like "Been There Done That" which my elderly father took to heart. He is now addicted to opioid painkillers and refuses to even consider the possibility of cannabis for his pain. While I can't lay all of this on Mr. Brooks' article, it is at least a place that my Dad might look and reconsider. But more importantly, it is important that all of us open our eyes to the harm into which the fear-clouded judgements of our leaders have led us. How about it folks? David?
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OK, pot has been used in human society for thousands of years. So has human sacrifice. 'Cause it's old, you feel it's wise?
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Yep, smoking a joint is just like murder. The depth of your argument is breathtaking.
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Wonderful...more low-information, drug-addled voters for the "limousine liberals" that control the Democratic Party to manipulate into voting against their own interests.
Adios America!
Adios America!
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If you're going to make silly comments, do so without bringing left vs right into it. I'm a life long republican, we don't need you "tinfoil hat" people pretending to represent us.
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I'm a Scientist with a strong interest in Cancer research. The clinical evidence of the value of Marijuana as a life saving medicine is now so strong that the need to remove Marijuana from Schedule 1 has become a moral imperative.
Google Medical Marijuana testimonials. Google Medical Marijuana Cancer Patient Testimonials.
This weekend over 3,200 Americans died, in pain, of Cancer. Every single day, 1,600 Americans die of Cancer after suffering horribly. Every 55 seconds an American dies of Cancer. Every American Cancer patient deserves the right to have safe, legal, and economical access to Medical Marijuana. Every single one.
Oncologists have know it for more than a quarter of a Century that Marijuana is a "wonder drug" for helping Cancer patients
.
The American Society of Clinical Oncologists wants Marijuana removed from Schedule 1. So does the American Medical Association, the professional society of all Physicians. A strong majority of Americans want Physicians in all 50 states to be able to prescribe Medical Marijuana. So do their Physicians., Cancer patients can't wait.
Medical Marijuana helps with Alzheimer's, Autism, Cancer, seizures, PTSD and chronic pain, and has helped many Americans, including many veterans, stop using Alcohol, and hard drugs, both legal and illegal ones.
Every 19 minutes an American dies of a prescription drug overdose.
Many vets become addicted to prescription opiates and die from them.
NOBODY has ever died from smoking too much pot.
Google Medical Marijuana testimonials. Google Medical Marijuana Cancer Patient Testimonials.
This weekend over 3,200 Americans died, in pain, of Cancer. Every single day, 1,600 Americans die of Cancer after suffering horribly. Every 55 seconds an American dies of Cancer. Every American Cancer patient deserves the right to have safe, legal, and economical access to Medical Marijuana. Every single one.
Oncologists have know it for more than a quarter of a Century that Marijuana is a "wonder drug" for helping Cancer patients
.
The American Society of Clinical Oncologists wants Marijuana removed from Schedule 1. So does the American Medical Association, the professional society of all Physicians. A strong majority of Americans want Physicians in all 50 states to be able to prescribe Medical Marijuana. So do their Physicians., Cancer patients can't wait.
Medical Marijuana helps with Alzheimer's, Autism, Cancer, seizures, PTSD and chronic pain, and has helped many Americans, including many veterans, stop using Alcohol, and hard drugs, both legal and illegal ones.
Every 19 minutes an American dies of a prescription drug overdose.
Many vets become addicted to prescription opiates and die from them.
NOBODY has ever died from smoking too much pot.
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Golly gee.......you are making statements that can't be supported by evidence.
Want to supply some evidence of the claims you are making?
Want to supply some evidence of the claims you are making?
Cool. I'm a brain surgeon.
Is it legal for an administration to pick and choose which laws it decides to enforce? Selective enforcement of laws seems like a practice just asking to be abused. If the law stinks, then fix it. Otherwise, what really is the point of laws?
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Gee, I used pot a lot in the late 60s and early 70s (haven't for decades), went to Vietnam, used the GI Bill to get a quality education, was professor at UC, Berkeley for 23 years, run a successful scientific laboratory today, and have wonderful children and grandchildren. Kinda puts to rest the lie still held by millions of Americans (wonder what proportion are Trump supporters) that marijuana destroys your life and is a gateway drug. Research shows that 2% of pot users will suffer a psychotic episode. What proportion of Americans will suffer a psychotic episode anyway. Maybe Trump still smokes pot. He's the most psychotic presidential candidate in history. Get over it America.
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if 50 states legalize it and they still say it's illegal...who is they?
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Just asking for a whole lot of trouble.
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And we got it. Prohibition has been a complete disaster. Tens of millions of invalid arrests, a massive artificial black market, the drug cartels, 24/7 access for teens, not to mention the hundreds of billions a decade this policy squanders. You'd be hard pressed to find another policy which has failed so spectacularly.
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As good jobs decline in number, now the work force won't even notice.
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US Schedule 1,(C I) has no "medical use"! Heroin is used all the time for treatment of severe , usually intractable pain and mostly at the end of life in hospices but also, by individuals at home, under the supervison of doctors and medical personnel in Great Britain.
The US system of keeping heroin a specially restricted drug has had the direct effect of causing the world-wide spread of anti-heroin & narcotic laws based on no evidence or reason other than US police and state department demands. Heroin is no more or less addictive than morphine , although it doesn't have some of the negative side effects of Morphine. There are many widely used narcotics in America that are infinitely more dangerous and equally addictive to heroin or morphine( Fentanyl is one) but, unlike heroin, are schedule II:available with a doctor's prescription.
This is true of cocaine and amphetamines-(both CII drugs) which ought not to be given to labrats but are now given to US children and then, for enough cash, to adults until they are long past ready for social security. Cocaine still is useful as a local anesthetic in ENT operations-I know my Grandfather used it - he paid $10 to N.Y. for his MD license-( given by a university hospital in Austria-Hungary before 1905) -so he probably got his training from one of Freud's pals.(Freud also was an ENT-)-and Cocaine was one of Ziggy's faves.
The US system of keeping heroin a specially restricted drug has had the direct effect of causing the world-wide spread of anti-heroin & narcotic laws based on no evidence or reason other than US police and state department demands. Heroin is no more or less addictive than morphine , although it doesn't have some of the negative side effects of Morphine. There are many widely used narcotics in America that are infinitely more dangerous and equally addictive to heroin or morphine( Fentanyl is one) but, unlike heroin, are schedule II:available with a doctor's prescription.
This is true of cocaine and amphetamines-(both CII drugs) which ought not to be given to labrats but are now given to US children and then, for enough cash, to adults until they are long past ready for social security. Cocaine still is useful as a local anesthetic in ENT operations-I know my Grandfather used it - he paid $10 to N.Y. for his MD license-( given by a university hospital in Austria-Hungary before 1905) -so he probably got his training from one of Freud's pals.(Freud also was an ENT-)-and Cocaine was one of Ziggy's faves.
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Hillary is way behind on her views on this. And New York State medical marijuana laws OUTLAW SMOKING IT! That's just crazy. People still make money from the "drug war". Those people want to keep the drug war gravy train running.
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Yes, if one has researched the history of federal marijuana laws, one is amazed that we are so dumb!
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Pot was legalized several years ago here in Washington State. If that changed anything, I haven't noticed.
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America you are one messed up country. Possession of marijuana bad but world leader in weapon sales good.
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I'm heartened to read that there seems to be some studies of the impact of legalization. This, to me, is key: keeping track of changes in traffic accidents, teen usage, etc. I'm also wondering whether alcohol abuse changes in either direction.
Here's a tip: I instructed my broker, in the event of these measures pass, to put a monstrous buy order for stock in Cheetos, Funyuns, Hershey's bars, M&Ms, and Swedish Fish. Can't hurt...
Here's a tip: I instructed my broker, in the event of these measures pass, to put a monstrous buy order for stock in Cheetos, Funyuns, Hershey's bars, M&Ms, and Swedish Fish. Can't hurt...
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Free and expunge the records of those convicted of marijuana based offenses.
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Elephants do it, giraffes do it, and kitty cats do it. Getting a buzz is a universal animal fun time. Provided by mother nature for the enjoyment of the inhabitants of planet earth. And, we all know that Mother Knows Best!!
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There is 198 milj. Americans who support legalisation of cannabis (60 % of the whole population). It was 12 % in 1969. For a complete legalisation in the US it may take a few more elections. It is just a matter of time. Meanwhile people who need it for illness or recreation has to go to nearest school to buy it.
Spain's law gives you the right to grow you own marijuana at your home. It is only for your personal use and it could not be taken out of your home. This has been accepted for many years by lawmakers. Seed is bought from all over the world and legal. I have lived in Spain for 27 years and the people I have met are accepting this law. What you do in your home is not criminal regarding cannabis. A law so easy to implement. I think that this would be a good solution even for America.
Spain's law gives you the right to grow you own marijuana at your home. It is only for your personal use and it could not be taken out of your home. This has been accepted for many years by lawmakers. Seed is bought from all over the world and legal. I have lived in Spain for 27 years and the people I have met are accepting this law. What you do in your home is not criminal regarding cannabis. A law so easy to implement. I think that this would be a good solution even for America.
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President Obama has been a complete failure on the issue of marijuana but as it always does this Times editorial provides Obama a free pass rather than pointedly criticizing him as it should. For 8 years Obama has refused to remove marijuana from the Schedule 1 of the most dangerous drugs. That is "criminal." Shame on him !
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Our own Gov.'s Shafer Commission study proved, back in the '70's, the harmlessness of Cannabis and the hypocritical draconian laws against it.
Nixon promptly turned around and did just the opposite, as has most every Pres. in office since. Including those latest that all admitted to imbibing. Now we are on the eve of putting in place another hypocrite. Pragmatic, incremental jail terms are the order of the day. Whilst money changes hands and back room deals are made on the backs of Americans by the millions. Thanks Hillary.
As Ehrlichman said, “You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
Lets hold HRC's proverbial feet to the fire of our lighters and legalize the herb for all Americans.
http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm
Nixon promptly turned around and did just the opposite, as has most every Pres. in office since. Including those latest that all admitted to imbibing. Now we are on the eve of putting in place another hypocrite. Pragmatic, incremental jail terms are the order of the day. Whilst money changes hands and back room deals are made on the backs of Americans by the millions. Thanks Hillary.
As Ehrlichman said, “You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
Lets hold HRC's proverbial feet to the fire of our lighters and legalize the herb for all Americans.
http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm
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Based on changing public attitudes, I think it's time for the Supreme Court to weigh in and declare laws against marijuana use unconstitutional infringements on my right to privacy.
If that seems silly to you, don't forget that changing public attitudes led the Court to declare laws against same sex marriage as unconstitutional, and the NYT argues on the same basis that the death penalty should be declared unconstitutional.
If that seems silly to you, don't forget that changing public attitudes led the Court to declare laws against same sex marriage as unconstitutional, and the NYT argues on the same basis that the death penalty should be declared unconstitutional.
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If that was the case, then you'd be hardpressed to make a legal claim against the use/abuse of ANY drug.
Better get some banking options in this mix. Right now, here in Colorado, it's all cash. The banks can't do business with marijuana businesses. Everything is paid in cash from wages to taxes to buying product. They even have to pay employment taxes to the IRS in cash because they can't use the banking system to make the electronic payments that are required by the IRS.
I live just down the street from 2 marijuana shops and a security guard was shot and killed in a robbery a couple of months ago at one of them. Young ex-military guy with a wife and 2 little kiddos. No suspects as far as the police are saying. It was mentioned that they weren't sure if they were there for the pot or the cash. Duh - if you rake in the kind of money that these places do, they're not robbed of the pot. And yes, they all have security cameras installed.
The revenue has been great for our state, but the pot shops don't get any tax breaks like regular businesses do. I guess there's good and bad in everything.
I live just down the street from 2 marijuana shops and a security guard was shot and killed in a robbery a couple of months ago at one of them. Young ex-military guy with a wife and 2 little kiddos. No suspects as far as the police are saying. It was mentioned that they weren't sure if they were there for the pot or the cash. Duh - if you rake in the kind of money that these places do, they're not robbed of the pot. And yes, they all have security cameras installed.
The revenue has been great for our state, but the pot shops don't get any tax breaks like regular businesses do. I guess there's good and bad in everything.
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I sure hope that dangerous banking law is cleaned up soon. And when the price of weed is normalized, i.e. similar to alcohol, they won't be much worth robbing for the weed either.
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To Alexander K: There is a great deal more known about the health effects of cannabis, cannabinoids than you are aware of. It's not a big unknown void. Once big pharma is allowed in, you can bet there will be a great deal more research, with the result that the many medical benefits of cannabis will become a great deal more costly to the end user and to our medical system at large.
Federal legalization will be very good on the criminal level (we ought to get a "peace dividend" from it). Federal legalization will be good on the personal level (if a person would rather relax with a few inhales than a few gulps, individual freedom and responsibility can be celebrated). But the medical side will be abused. And it won't be the growers and producers who will abuse it. It will be big pharma. Just think epipen.
Even after federal legalization, there is a big battle coming: the one between the little people in the biz (that's EVERYONE in the state-level legal business today) and big pharma with its unmeasurable greed.
Federal legalization will be very good on the criminal level (we ought to get a "peace dividend" from it). Federal legalization will be good on the personal level (if a person would rather relax with a few inhales than a few gulps, individual freedom and responsibility can be celebrated). But the medical side will be abused. And it won't be the growers and producers who will abuse it. It will be big pharma. Just think epipen.
Even after federal legalization, there is a big battle coming: the one between the little people in the biz (that's EVERYONE in the state-level legal business today) and big pharma with its unmeasurable greed.
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Does it take an act of congress to move or erase a drug from it's various lists of prohibitive drugs, or can the administrative agency in charge do it by publication in the federal register?
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"For example, in Colorado, drug-related expulsions and suspensions from schools have gone down in recent years. There has been no spike in drug-related traffic accidents and fatalities in Colorado or Washington." This is called DATA. It's used by analytical and critical thinkers in making decisions. People study data and conclude that something is or is not effective,; that something works or doesn't work; that the things some people say are either true or false. The Marijuana Express is coming - no one will be forced into getting on, but no one is going to be able to stop it from coming.
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Is it true that two per cent of pot users will suffer a psychotic episode? For you habitual pot heads who are numerically challenged, that's one person out of every fifty.
Is it true that long-term use lowers one's I Q by ten points? If so, if you start out average, you'll end up in the developmentally disabled population.
Is it true that pot damages male sperm? (This is research from the 60's, I believe.) Maybe that is the reason we see more autism and other problems in our children.
Do you really think that the FDA would approve a med that makes one in every fifty people have psychotic episodes?
This reminds me of the rationalizations I hear from tobacco smokers.
Also reminds me of the kind of mind set we see in all those anti-vaxers.
Maybe a number of those over - educated anti-vaxers with master's degrees in underwater basket weaving (with never a demanding math or science course in sight) have had psychotic episodes from pot and can't perceive reality.
Well like John Lennon once crazily sang: "Nothing is real".
Is it true that long-term use lowers one's I Q by ten points? If so, if you start out average, you'll end up in the developmentally disabled population.
Is it true that pot damages male sperm? (This is research from the 60's, I believe.) Maybe that is the reason we see more autism and other problems in our children.
Do you really think that the FDA would approve a med that makes one in every fifty people have psychotic episodes?
This reminds me of the rationalizations I hear from tobacco smokers.
Also reminds me of the kind of mind set we see in all those anti-vaxers.
Maybe a number of those over - educated anti-vaxers with master's degrees in underwater basket weaving (with never a demanding math or science course in sight) have had psychotic episodes from pot and can't perceive reality.
Well like John Lennon once crazily sang: "Nothing is real".
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If the federal government would fund the research for marijuana, we could have actual answers to some of the questions you throw out there. Until then, however, you shouldn't rely on garbage information to form your opinions. Some things we do know: marijuana is not addictive. Marijuana use alone has never killed anyone. Marijuana relieves disease symptoms for many people.
One legal drug, alcohol, can be addictive. People do die from alcohol overdoses. Research into alcohol shows some limited benefits to drinking in moderation, but also significant harm from excessive consumption.
Other legal drugs in the opiate family can be addictive, cause death, and have positive and negative health effects
Are you also prepared to ban alcohol and pain medications?
One legal drug, alcohol, can be addictive. People do die from alcohol overdoses. Research into alcohol shows some limited benefits to drinking in moderation, but also significant harm from excessive consumption.
Other legal drugs in the opiate family can be addictive, cause death, and have positive and negative health effects
Are you also prepared to ban alcohol and pain medications?
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There are a lot of straw men in those few sentences. Do you have any evidence to back up these assertions, or should we also ask the question of whether commenting on the NYT's website is the cause of logical fallacies and poor argumentation. We have at least one data point in favor of "yes".
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If you can use killer alcohol, I can use indisputably far safer cannabis. Far safer to life, limb and fetus. Liberty and justice for all, not just for you and your buddies.
Get your fist out of my face.
Get your fist out of my face.
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Full transparency. I am a criminal.
Somewhere on my 29 acres of the Hell's Half Acre that is Texas that comprise my "estate" you will find something less than 1 ounce of pot. A bit of it I raised two years ago (a single plant that grew to a gargantuan 30" in height) in the shadow of the scrubby oaks that cover 2/3 of this paradise; the rest I purchased in Colorado more than a year and a half ago. There once was a time when I got down to less than an ounce, I focused on replenishment. Now, I have half a joint on my kitchen counter, the remains of a full joint I rolled two months ago. The rest, as I said, is somewhere on this
6,411,024 square feet of real estate.
For about 45 years of my life I was a nurse: Med/Surg, emergency room, pre-op/recovery room, hospice. Before that I was an Army medic in Vietnam. Since I retired I have donated hundreds if not thousands of pounds fresh garden produce to the local Meals on Wheels program.
Again, I am a criminal.
By the laws of the Great State of Texas I am breaking the law. As a matter of fact, here are the penalties for my crime:
Minimum Punishment: Confinement in jail for a term of not more than 180 days, a fine not to exceed $2,000 or both
Maximum Punishment: Confinement in TDC for life or for a term of not more than 99 years nor less than 10 years, and a fine not to exceed $100,000.
My next birthday is only 10 weeks away. I will be 70. How can America be great again, as long as I am free to walk the streets.
Somewhere on my 29 acres of the Hell's Half Acre that is Texas that comprise my "estate" you will find something less than 1 ounce of pot. A bit of it I raised two years ago (a single plant that grew to a gargantuan 30" in height) in the shadow of the scrubby oaks that cover 2/3 of this paradise; the rest I purchased in Colorado more than a year and a half ago. There once was a time when I got down to less than an ounce, I focused on replenishment. Now, I have half a joint on my kitchen counter, the remains of a full joint I rolled two months ago. The rest, as I said, is somewhere on this
6,411,024 square feet of real estate.
For about 45 years of my life I was a nurse: Med/Surg, emergency room, pre-op/recovery room, hospice. Before that I was an Army medic in Vietnam. Since I retired I have donated hundreds if not thousands of pounds fresh garden produce to the local Meals on Wheels program.
Again, I am a criminal.
By the laws of the Great State of Texas I am breaking the law. As a matter of fact, here are the penalties for my crime:
Minimum Punishment: Confinement in jail for a term of not more than 180 days, a fine not to exceed $2,000 or both
Maximum Punishment: Confinement in TDC for life or for a term of not more than 99 years nor less than 10 years, and a fine not to exceed $100,000.
My next birthday is only 10 weeks away. I will be 70. How can America be great again, as long as I am free to walk the streets.
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A bunch of old men meet for coffee every Wednesday after which we adjourn to my flat for some "tea". There have been gatherings where we had a combined pot smoking experience of 600 years.
Come on up North, friend.
Come on up North, friend.
Thank you for this very well written comment. You are exactly the kind of citizen every state needs, and Texas is lucky to have you.
As a veggie and flower gardener though, I was struck by your saying you grew a mj plant that 30 inches high, since that is shorter than most of my veggies, especially the tomatoes and basil. The other possibility, that you really did mean 30 *feet* high, well, that would qualify as gargantuan indeed!
As a veggie and flower gardener though, I was struck by your saying you grew a mj plant that 30 inches high, since that is shorter than most of my veggies, especially the tomatoes and basil. The other possibility, that you really did mean 30 *feet* high, well, that would qualify as gargantuan indeed!
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The continued criminalization of marijuana is a direct result of the Republican control of the US Congress.
If you want legal marijuana, and the tax and health benefits it brings, vote Democratic on November 8th.
If you want legal marijuana, and the tax and health benefits it brings, vote Democratic on November 8th.
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While I am no raving financial or academic success I have never had to seek a handout, and as one who has been "stoned" enough times in the pasty sixty years to know, am sure marijuana's proximity has in no way impaired my success.
In the same time period however, I have lost time, energy, money, equipment, business and a marriage as a result of being "in my cups". Hands down, no comparison between the destruction caused while drunk on rotgut and the recusal from destruction while high on weed.
Considering marijuana as dangerous is pure fiction driven propaganda forwarded by the alcohol lobby on behalf of bricks and mortar businesses which require large capital outlay before the first shot can even be poured. Both of them alter consciousness, but more often than not alcohol fuels raging internal fires while marijuana puts them out.
Same as a lot of us, I like a drink or a toke now and then, and figure the hysteria which lays behind marijuana's prohibition was planted by a hypocrisy similar to that which drove alcohol's prohibition (and the crime it brought)
The real problem with marijuana is that anyone can grow it without anything beyond soil, seed and water. This alone means there will be no tax money harvested as soon as anyone with a flower pot full of dirt and one seed finds out just how easy it is to grow.
Neither in themselves are harmful, but when alcohol is unleashed it is generally destructive while cannabis is not and like most of us politicians know this.
In the same time period however, I have lost time, energy, money, equipment, business and a marriage as a result of being "in my cups". Hands down, no comparison between the destruction caused while drunk on rotgut and the recusal from destruction while high on weed.
Considering marijuana as dangerous is pure fiction driven propaganda forwarded by the alcohol lobby on behalf of bricks and mortar businesses which require large capital outlay before the first shot can even be poured. Both of them alter consciousness, but more often than not alcohol fuels raging internal fires while marijuana puts them out.
Same as a lot of us, I like a drink or a toke now and then, and figure the hysteria which lays behind marijuana's prohibition was planted by a hypocrisy similar to that which drove alcohol's prohibition (and the crime it brought)
The real problem with marijuana is that anyone can grow it without anything beyond soil, seed and water. This alone means there will be no tax money harvested as soon as anyone with a flower pot full of dirt and one seed finds out just how easy it is to grow.
Neither in themselves are harmful, but when alcohol is unleashed it is generally destructive while cannabis is not and like most of us politicians know this.
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The NYTimes cites a study done by none other than the reputable Cato Institute to state that there has been no increase in consequences associated with legalized marijuana use. However, since the marijuana is illegal by federal law, research in its health effects is minimal. Moreover, most of the potential health effects, including cancer, psychiatric disorders, problems with nausea, etc., develop over many years. This statement is equivalent to stating that a 1919 Cato Institute study found that giving cigarettes to World War I solders causes no adverse health effects.
If the state is legalizing a drug that has potent biologic effects, it should also inform the consumers about the lack of knowledge about its side effects and it should fund research to understand the drug. Doing otherwise is irresponsible and the state should be held accountable in the future years should links with serious long-term adverse health outcomes be found. I've heard enough teenagers state that marijuana is completely safe because it is being legalized.
If the state is legalizing a drug that has potent biologic effects, it should also inform the consumers about the lack of knowledge about its side effects and it should fund research to understand the drug. Doing otherwise is irresponsible and the state should be held accountable in the future years should links with serious long-term adverse health outcomes be found. I've heard enough teenagers state that marijuana is completely safe because it is being legalized.
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Why is it your business, much less the government's, what adults do with their bodies?
And 'it's to protect the children' is nonsense, as there is not a teenagers in America who cannot easily get marijuana.
You know what they have trouble getting? Liquor, because it is legal and regulated, so that teenagers stand outside 7/11s, asking adults to buy it for them.
And 'it's to protect the children' is nonsense, as there is not a teenagers in America who cannot easily get marijuana.
You know what they have trouble getting? Liquor, because it is legal and regulated, so that teenagers stand outside 7/11s, asking adults to buy it for them.
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No, actually we've studied the plant to death. Billions of dollars have been funneled into studies that focus on the harms of marijuana use, and they still can't find anything substantiative. Schedule one has stood in the way of any study that focuses on medical applications, but the harm aspect has not been under studied, it has been over studied.
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Marijuana prohibition and the laws supporting it have always been a sham. The main protagonist in the "war on drugs", marijuana laws are racist in nature and those congressmen who've passed these laws knew it then and now. The hypocrisy has been breathtaking. Now, theres big money in growing and promoting weed.
We see an epidemic of opioid addiction and abuse of legal drugs manufactured and promoted by big Pharma. They know the devastation caused by these drugs but fail to prohibit manufacture and sale.
"Follow the money..."
We see an epidemic of opioid addiction and abuse of legal drugs manufactured and promoted by big Pharma. They know the devastation caused by these drugs but fail to prohibit manufacture and sale.
"Follow the money..."
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God has created each specie near to 100% but not exactly hundred percent, no efficiency is hundred percent. Marijuana has been into civilizations. There exist, a requirement of this spicie in the universe, and there is a need to be available from the earth, (free) very cheap. Experiment of the " ban " that had been for quite some time must be reviewed from the point of recent rise in pattern of the teen and younster behaviour, including increased aggressive, gun shot cases, and suicidal tendency in the elders, change in many other psychological problems.
I think allowing marijuana can help nullify ecological effects on human civilization due to its ban.
I think allowing marijuana can help nullify ecological effects on human civilization due to its ban.
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Here in Arkansas a ballot measure almost passed and one of the two on the ballot should pass this time.
Here we have two to choose from and they are different in approach: one put it beyond the reach of the Assembly and the other puts it in control of the State Assembly. I cannot speak as to the specifics in the other states, but voters should read up and consider the proposals carefully.
The Non-Partisan Ballotpedia Website has localized information so you can read up on the election.
https://ballotpedia.org/Main_Page
Here we have two to choose from and they are different in approach: one put it beyond the reach of the Assembly and the other puts it in control of the State Assembly. I cannot speak as to the specifics in the other states, but voters should read up and consider the proposals carefully.
The Non-Partisan Ballotpedia Website has localized information so you can read up on the election.
https://ballotpedia.org/Main_Page
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In the sixties we giggled and munched by candlelight in darkened rooms, and shared fantasies of what it would be like "when weed was legal." Recently, the citizens of Washington AC (across the continent) legalized recreational pot use. Although I had not smoked for forty plus years, I was impelled by nostalgia to visit my local cannabis emporium. I imagined that I would find a cozy shop filled with psychedelic posters, black lights, incense, and piped-in sitar music. The reality was a cinder block building that first opened into a man-trap where I had to show my ID, and thence into a large, bare, fluorescent-lit space with two small display cases way in the far corner. The salespersons wore suits and ties and (so-help-me) name tags. The merchandise was packaged in sealed plastic bags and uninspired boxes. After some desultory conversation, I made my purchase and went home without the slightest frisson of anxiety that I might be pulled over and my stash discovered – and there it sits, still unopened. I'm glad it's legal, but I must say, getting there was half the fun -- rememering the fun was the other half.
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who did such an outstanding job as Hillary Clinton's surrogate in her capacity as DNC head and a supporter of the PayDay loan industry, is against medical marijuana in her state, Florida. Why? Well, because Good Old Ms. Schultz has received huge campaign contributions from the liquor industry, who, of course, is totally against any kind of legalization. So the people of Florida, especially senior citizens who suffer from ailments that could be helped by medical marijuana, will continue to suffer if she gets her way. I hope even the republicans who so populate my state see through the ruse and vote for legalization. So they can stop suffering themselves. Ms. Schultz is a democrat. In name only.
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I cannot speak for anyone else. However, I can assure you that there are a great many of us "old Geezers" who are in constant pain and will give up rather than take the painkillers which are prescribed for us by Doctors. A sensible and low cost solution is at our fingertips: medical marijuana. Also, availability of pot for medical use would pay for itself by reducing our prison population by very large numbers. C'mon, America!
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Way to go, Pogo! I sincerely hope you have many pain-free years ahead of you. I, too, have constant physical pains. Like you, I will not take painkillers. But unlike you I live in the land that proudly begat all this infernal lunacy, the land of 'Rockefeller drug laws': New York.
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Pot Prohibition has been a racist extension of Richard Nixon's attempt to crack the counter-culture peace movement and the prevent blacks and Hispanics from voting, especially in the south.
His aide John Ehrlichmann has confirmed Nixon knew pot was not dangerous, but used it as an excuse to crush the peace and civil rights movements.
The War on Drugs has cost more than $1 trillion and caused more than 41,000,000 arrests, with not one good outcome.
Not one person should ever have been jailed for the cultivation, sale or use of marijuana. This insanity must end.
His aide John Ehrlichmann has confirmed Nixon knew pot was not dangerous, but used it as an excuse to crush the peace and civil rights movements.
The War on Drugs has cost more than $1 trillion and caused more than 41,000,000 arrests, with not one good outcome.
Not one person should ever have been jailed for the cultivation, sale or use of marijuana. This insanity must end.
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Those who do not partake im the Lord's plant, the holy Cannabis leaf, live cramped, shriveled, joyless lives. Indeed, these poor souls die without ever having truly lived. Denying cannabis to persons denies them their ability to truly be human, and is a human rights violation of the most outrageous kind. Only in a society of cannabis users are democracy, peace, justice, and love possivle. We must legalize recreational cannabis posthaste before more lives are tragically wasted without ever getting to sample mother earth's most glorious delight.
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One reason to legalize marijuana is to reduce blackmail. You can be sure that even if Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton don't smoke pot, and even if members of Congress don't smoke pot, and even if federal judges don't smoke pot, and even if the generals and governors don't smoke pot, and even if the decision makers at the FDA don't smoke pot,...that at least some of their children, spouses, lovers, old friends, siblings, loyal servants etc. do use pot. Right now all important decision makers in our society are vulnerable to blackmail if someone they are close to uses pot. Remember how people used to commit suicide or be blackmailed if it came out that they were secretly homosexual?
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C'mon maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
Cannabis prohibition was probably the single most effective tool the right wing applied to take over the US. It turned over government, industry and academia to the worst hypocritical puritans of the baby boom generation.
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I flipped to the pro-legalization side in 2006 when called to jury duty in Orlando. A young african american man had been pulled over by a white cop because his window tint was too dark. At the end of the two day trial, they passed around the evidence. We were all expecting a suitcase full and it was less than a gram...a burned tip of a cigarette. It took the jury about 10 minutes to find enough doubt in the entire situation to let him go free.
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As a budding statistician, I carried out a survey for a paper I wrote in the early 1970s in my California high school on marijuana use. Fully 80% of those surveyed had tried marijuana, while less than half had ever drunk alcohol. A very high percentage were "occasional" users of marijuana, which I defined as four times or less a month.
At the time I argued in my paper it seemed ridiculous for marijuana to be illegal in such a situation, while alcohol wasn't, since it seemed clear from the evidence that alcohol was a more dangerous drug. With marijuana being illegal, this meant that fully three fourths of the students from this middle class high school had broken the law, with a whole demented culture developing around it, which again seemed ridiculous. I concluded that labeling a whole generation of promising young people outlaws had a destructively corrosive effect on society.
What's remarkable about all this is that it has taken some 40 years (!!) for the machinations of society to come around to the same conclusion that a young 16-year old had made so long ago.
At the time I argued in my paper it seemed ridiculous for marijuana to be illegal in such a situation, while alcohol wasn't, since it seemed clear from the evidence that alcohol was a more dangerous drug. With marijuana being illegal, this meant that fully three fourths of the students from this middle class high school had broken the law, with a whole demented culture developing around it, which again seemed ridiculous. I concluded that labeling a whole generation of promising young people outlaws had a destructively corrosive effect on society.
What's remarkable about all this is that it has taken some 40 years (!!) for the machinations of society to come around to the same conclusion that a young 16-year old had made so long ago.
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I do hope the President after the election ends the idiocy of Marijuana being a schedule 1 drug.
He just tells the FDA.
And issues a blanket pardon and expunges the record for all those convicted of possession.
It could have been him with a record.
He just tells the FDA.
And issues a blanket pardon and expunges the record for all those convicted of possession.
It could have been him with a record.
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'A recent Cato Institute study found that the states that have legalized recreational use have so far had no meaningful uptick in the use of marijuana by teenagers, or other negative consequences predicted by opponents. For example, in Colorado, drug-related expulsions and suspensions from schools have gone down in recent years. There has been no spike in drug-related traffic accidents and fatalities in Colorado or Washington.'
Gee, I wonder what other fictions I may have been spoon-fed all these years?
Gee, I wonder what other fictions I may have been spoon-fed all these years?
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Being a resident of a state that approved medical weed and also a pro voter of that law I can only say it was a mistake. They put into effect a law with little or no regulations. It's quite easy to get a permit for growing your own. If you happen to live next door to someone doing so the odor drives you out of your own yard. Many who grow their own have a nice side income of selling to others for recreational use. Tax free too. Pot does cause many to ruin their lives. I have witnessed that also.
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I haven't seen one remark concerning the weed and driving. This isn't the stuff of the sixties. Mary Jane has been hybridized to the point of hallucinogenic. So smoke at home and stay home, or walk to your destination, or take mass transit, just don't drive.
And why put the lives of police officers at risk busting thugs with guns?
Make grass legal but regulated.
And why put the lives of police officers at risk busting thugs with guns?
Make grass legal but regulated.
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I agree. After trying today's high-octane weed a few years ago, it took me several hours sitting in a parking lot to idle down before driving home - this after three hits. I won't try it again. Still, I also agree with weed's legalization for private use. For a great many, it's a tool for relaxation like alcohol and not addictive like Level 1 hard drugs. Several states have already shown that with proper regulation, weed can be made available without a threat to public safety. Why continue making discreet users search for suppliers and hide their stash like criminals?
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No one is talking about it because it isn't an issue. Legalization will have not change DUI laws or enforcement.
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I have seen all of our drug laws, not just pot, ruin lives. The elephant in the room this editorial failed to notice is we continue to treat all substance abuse other than alcohol as a crime. It's a medical condition, criminalizing it is well, criminal.
Our biggest failure as a society is not prosecuting the criminals who continue to prop up that system- politicians and the criminal justice industry.
Our biggest failure as a society is not prosecuting the criminals who continue to prop up that system- politicians and the criminal justice industry.
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The sooner marijuana is legalized, the sooner we reduce organized crime. The sooner marijuana is legalized, the sooner we will free up needed prison space from hapless criminals whose only crime is getting high, who we hapless taxpayers are obligated to feed, clothe, provide medical care and housing. The sooner marijuana is legalized, the more money government can make in tax dollars, money that is otherwise lining the pockets of the drug cartels. Its prohibition is having the same effect that the alcohol prohibition wreaked on this country almost a century ago. Wake up legislators, it's time to smell the flowers.
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Marijuana should be legalized not because of its relative safety or its therapeutic value (even if exaggerated), it should be legalized because the public policy of criminalizing it is an abject failure. Billions are spent and millions are tarred with a criminal record if not outright jailed, yet it can be found in any high school in America. Criminalization isn't just expensive, it doesn't work.
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"Criminalization isn't just expensive, it doesn't work."
How about both. Too many cops admit to using smoke on their own time. If the entire culture is aware of this-then we have again, as in the 20's, fallen to the social lows of the prohibition era when voters finally decided to rid the Constitution of this useless amendment, because it was increasingly obvious that not only was alcohol consumption drinking not ending, but MORE Americans were drinking than had consumed "spiritous liquors" than had been before the amendment's passage.
Both Republicans and Democrats recognized the truth of this and it was the first and so far, the only Constitutional Amendment ever to be repealed.
The repeal is, without doubt-the best evidence extant why it is a bad idea to legislate behavior, and most especially, to try and do it via amendments to our basic law: the US Constitution
How about both. Too many cops admit to using smoke on their own time. If the entire culture is aware of this-then we have again, as in the 20's, fallen to the social lows of the prohibition era when voters finally decided to rid the Constitution of this useless amendment, because it was increasingly obvious that not only was alcohol consumption drinking not ending, but MORE Americans were drinking than had consumed "spiritous liquors" than had been before the amendment's passage.
Both Republicans and Democrats recognized the truth of this and it was the first and so far, the only Constitutional Amendment ever to be repealed.
The repeal is, without doubt-the best evidence extant why it is a bad idea to legislate behavior, and most especially, to try and do it via amendments to our basic law: the US Constitution
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You left out a word. Your opening sentence should read:
Marijuana should be legalized not *only* because of its relative safety or its therapeutic value...
Marijuana should be legalized not *only* because of its relative safety or its therapeutic value...
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Really, there's lots of reasons not to criminalize it, but as a legalization advocate I think the best argument is that criminalization is that it's a failed policy -- it just doesn't keep anyone who wants to use marijuana from doing so.
I think the argument that it's relatively safe is a trap for legalization advocacy; while true, the lack of comprehensive evidence for safety and that for some users and/or use patterns it may actually be moderately harmful gets exploited by criminalization advocates and often sways fence sitters to retain criminalization. Legalization advocates end up in the position needing to prove its complete harmlessness, which can't be done.
Medical use is worse -- comprehensive scientific proof of benefits is slim, and medical use advocates really stretch credibility with some of their claims.
I do think that criminalization and the high levels of demonization required to maintain the justification for criminalization has made drug abuse problems worse. The risks associated with objectively more dangerous drugs (meth, heroin, and the recent fascination with synthetics) are disregarded by people who discover that marijuana really isn't the dangerous drug it's made out to be. Lie to them about marijuana, and why would they believe you about other drugs, especially when almost no drug produces instantaneous addiction or immediate death.
The best argument remains that criminalization is ineffective because it really has no contrafactual refutation.
I think the argument that it's relatively safe is a trap for legalization advocacy; while true, the lack of comprehensive evidence for safety and that for some users and/or use patterns it may actually be moderately harmful gets exploited by criminalization advocates and often sways fence sitters to retain criminalization. Legalization advocates end up in the position needing to prove its complete harmlessness, which can't be done.
Medical use is worse -- comprehensive scientific proof of benefits is slim, and medical use advocates really stretch credibility with some of their claims.
I do think that criminalization and the high levels of demonization required to maintain the justification for criminalization has made drug abuse problems worse. The risks associated with objectively more dangerous drugs (meth, heroin, and the recent fascination with synthetics) are disregarded by people who discover that marijuana really isn't the dangerous drug it's made out to be. Lie to them about marijuana, and why would they believe you about other drugs, especially when almost no drug produces instantaneous addiction or immediate death.
The best argument remains that criminalization is ineffective because it really has no contrafactual refutation.
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I find it very strange that the lumping together of heroin and LSD isn't remarked upon by news articles like this one. Those drugs - an opioid and a psychedelic - are as different from each other as it's possible to get.
Psychedelics show substantial potential in treating addiction to drugs like heroin among others (including alcohol), plus the treatment of psychiatric disorders and even assisting the dying and their family members to bring meaning to the end of life. Both the latest research and the research that was done in the 1950s and 1960s agree on this. But then Leary went nuts, hippies started doing acid at his recommendation, and the government freaked out and banned psychedelics.
Or, at the very least, a comment about the strangeness of lumping LSD and heroin into the same classification should be made. It will probably be another decade or two before our society will be willing to go there, but influential publications like the NYT need to start by mentioning this where relevant.
Psychedelics show substantial potential in treating addiction to drugs like heroin among others (including alcohol), plus the treatment of psychiatric disorders and even assisting the dying and their family members to bring meaning to the end of life. Both the latest research and the research that was done in the 1950s and 1960s agree on this. But then Leary went nuts, hippies started doing acid at his recommendation, and the government freaked out and banned psychedelics.
Or, at the very least, a comment about the strangeness of lumping LSD and heroin into the same classification should be made. It will probably be another decade or two before our society will be willing to go there, but influential publications like the NYT need to start by mentioning this where relevant.
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Heroin suppresses thinking, psychedelics blow the lid off of it.
Having used all of them at various times , I say: Bah, humbug!
I think this is because a substance that actually wakes people up, is even more dangerous to the power structure than ... anything.
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The only good thing to come from draconian marijuana laws was John Prine's "Illegal Smile."
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Matt,
For everyone's enjoyment: John Prine...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmjnQjRvPUQ
And
Kacey Musgraves addition with JP joining in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-pRJxCKR8
Good stuff, thanks Matt.
For everyone's enjoyment: John Prine...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmjnQjRvPUQ
And
Kacey Musgraves addition with JP joining in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-pRJxCKR8
Good stuff, thanks Matt.
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For the life of me, I can't understand why Clinton isn't getting behind this issue. There is so much for her to gain and at so little political cost. If anything, it would earn her more political capital. It makes no sense at all.
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It makes complete sense because there are strong lobbies who want to keep marijuana illegal such as the pharmaceutical and for-profit prison industries. Her husband Bill is the person who allowed for profit prisons to exist.
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she gets campaign financing from people who profit from all wars and that would include the drug war
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She has no interest in becoming involved in what she and her cronies will define as a"state issue". Similarly, before the Civil War, many politicians and members of the Congress and Senate also tried to insist that slavery was a state issue and that no federal laws could or should ever attempt to control slavery in the states where it existed, and or, it's expansion to new states in the event "popular sovereignty" called for it's legalization.
I am strongly opposed to legalizing medical marijuana because only a minuscule percentage of people could ever medically benefit from it, and as soon as you legalize it, charlatan doctors will set up prescription writing shops selling prescriptions for $150 for anyone who comes in and complains about "back pain." I am all for legalizing recreational marijuana, however, a state law legalizing it is nothing short of stupid until we have fixed the federal law outlawing it.
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We don't know how many people could benefit from medical marijuana, because legal research has been so suppressed. But it's pain reducing properties are widely known and used and that alone will benefit millions.
Many, many could benefit from not being under the threat of arrest and conviction for possession of minor amounts of marijuana.
Federal law will catch up, when enough enlightened states legalize it's use.
Many, many could benefit from not being under the threat of arrest and conviction for possession of minor amounts of marijuana.
Federal law will catch up, when enough enlightened states legalize it's use.
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That's absurd on a number of levels- first off, there are clear benefits sick people, people on chemotherapy, etc. get from cannabis. But medical legalization points up one thing, to be sure: which is that it is grossly immoral to continue to put sick people in prison for using this substance which is, in the words of DEA Judge Francis Young, "one of the most safest therapeutically active substances known to man" --- even if they only *think* it makes them feel better, so what?...
And in that vein, of course, it's immoral and wrong to put ANY consenting adult in prison for using the stuff, duh.
As for the rest of it, waiting for the Feds to gain courage on this issue would have meant waiting forever. If the states hadn't moved forward, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. While people in the beltway or in Manhattan still treat this like it's some weird esoteric thought exercise that just flew in on a UFO, actual legalization is working just fine as we speak in several states. I don't know how you can call Colorado, Washington and Oregon "stupid" when they're already each brought in hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue, respectively, from legal cannabis.
Prohibition is a failed public policy, and legalization works.
And in that vein, of course, it's immoral and wrong to put ANY consenting adult in prison for using the stuff, duh.
As for the rest of it, waiting for the Feds to gain courage on this issue would have meant waiting forever. If the states hadn't moved forward, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. While people in the beltway or in Manhattan still treat this like it's some weird esoteric thought exercise that just flew in on a UFO, actual legalization is working just fine as we speak in several states. I don't know how you can call Colorado, Washington and Oregon "stupid" when they're already each brought in hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue, respectively, from legal cannabis.
Prohibition is a failed public policy, and legalization works.
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It took medical pot to get us to general legalization. What this should make us do is examine why we didn't and look hard at the rest of the criminal justice industrial complex.
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They see Colorado collected $135 million in taxes and fees in 2015. And 2016 might be double that. Plus it frees up a big part of the legal system. Personally I think the money ( at least partly ) should go into a general health care fund. In Colorado it's going to schools, road projects, the homeless. The positives far outweigh the negatives, and that goes for the whole drug war. Prohibition of drug use, and health insurance for profit will never work. Pres Obama should push for a change, easing in the federal laws against marijuana before he leaves office.
Orange, NJ
Orange, NJ
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Well, I have a question. Will Colorado's legal system go after people that compete with the State and grow their own personal use pot?
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As far as I know, Colorado allows individuals to grow up to 12 plants for their personal use. It is by far the most efficient to reduce crime and keep the profits at home. We created the drug cartels. Some of the most vicious organizations on the face of the earth. We should never pass laws that could not be enforced.
I resent a government that decides what is good or bad for me or what I should do or not do. Since when authority trumps judgment and common sense we are born with.
What I do with my life is nobody's business as long I don't impose my views and beliefs on anyone else.
Guns and booze are far worse then cannabis. I respect authority that makes sense. I cannot convince myself that something that may appease my pain is bad for me when in fact it works extremely well. There will always be some form of abuse by a percentage of individuals. That is an integral part of our human condition.
I resent a government that decides what is good or bad for me or what I should do or not do. Since when authority trumps judgment and common sense we are born with.
What I do with my life is nobody's business as long I don't impose my views and beliefs on anyone else.
Guns and booze are far worse then cannabis. I respect authority that makes sense. I cannot convince myself that something that may appease my pain is bad for me when in fact it works extremely well. There will always be some form of abuse by a percentage of individuals. That is an integral part of our human condition.
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Thank you, and I agree.
Excessive punishment for marijuana is ridiculous. But you can cut the punishment way down without legalizing. The real reason to legalize is to create choice in legal intoxicants. That's the issue -- whether alcohol isn't enough and marijuana legalization will add a new and welcome option to the menu. If I liked the marijuana high, I'd vote yes. But I prefer bourbon and I figure I can live without the marijuana-intoxicated drivers. So I voted no.
That leaves the black market in place, violent criminals making billions, 24/7 access for teens, no regulations, no jobs, no quality testing, no safeguards. Sounds like a great plan.
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I'm afraid that the real danger on the road is drunken drivers, so if the subject is making the roads safer, it's your bourbon that should e made illegal.
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I bet you never, ever drive your car while intoxicated on your favorite beverage. Never? Trust me, drunk drivers are far more dangerous than cannabis users. But of course you have never ever broken the law and drove while drunk. It's funny how every bar has a parking lot, how does that work?
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One hopes that Clinton will not waste further scarce public resources in support of prohibition. It has utterly failed and voters see such policy as abusive, even counterproductive. It's time to put this behind us, because it will surely be an emergent issue in national races when Clinton runs for reelection. We should put this issue in its place, that of choice and health on the part of the individual. No more nannies here, please. Grownups may disagree on this, but it's not a criminal matter.
Think about this, too, if you think it doesn't matter, Ms. Clinton. Trump thinks he can get away with locking you up largely because the government has made a similarly specious argument against millions of Americans who deserve jail no more than you do. We're too quick to resort to the jail card and not smart enough to think before we attack fellow Americans, two particularly distasteful tics of your opponent. Whose side are you on?
It is also time to fix this federally. If your party is smart, your predecessor will settle the matter by executive order prior to your inauguration, so we can get on with getting past this ugly bit of history redolent with the stench of racism.
Millions of Americans already find themselves continuing to suffer from increasingly unequal justice before the law for what millions more have a right to do in a clear-cut majority.
Deal with this now or face an electorate looking for bigger change at the next election. It won't be a friendly crowd unless...
Think about this, too, if you think it doesn't matter, Ms. Clinton. Trump thinks he can get away with locking you up largely because the government has made a similarly specious argument against millions of Americans who deserve jail no more than you do. We're too quick to resort to the jail card and not smart enough to think before we attack fellow Americans, two particularly distasteful tics of your opponent. Whose side are you on?
It is also time to fix this federally. If your party is smart, your predecessor will settle the matter by executive order prior to your inauguration, so we can get on with getting past this ugly bit of history redolent with the stench of racism.
Millions of Americans already find themselves continuing to suffer from increasingly unequal justice before the law for what millions more have a right to do in a clear-cut majority.
Deal with this now or face an electorate looking for bigger change at the next election. It won't be a friendly crowd unless...
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Oh Geez people of NY let's get it on. Why not and let us make it matter, the organic farmer first. We have to start believing in trickle up economics, bottom up people to level some the currency out. This is just one of the pluses, as a survivor of domestic abuse while young I will say a stoned abuser is much calmer.
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Once Senate and House are in Dems hands they should persuade Hillary to move weed from Sch 1 to Sch 3...
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Unlike when the Senate and House were in Democrat hands under President Obama? Hillary will change it when Goldman Sachs tells her to.
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With entire US West coast and Canada legalizing marijuana, with 60% of voters approving of legalizing marijuana, the real question is why are US legislatures so out of touch with voters?
Answer is likely the problems with states and voting districts that are distorted to favor a single party. GOP run states are most anti-democratic with active voter suppression campaigns and the most manipulated voting districts so we have 60% of voters denied due process. Same with abortion issue with 79% of Americans in favor of legal abortion vs. 19% against. Same with tax increases, same with gun control, the US legislatures are out much more right wing than the population.
Answer is likely the problems with states and voting districts that are distorted to favor a single party. GOP run states are most anti-democratic with active voter suppression campaigns and the most manipulated voting districts so we have 60% of voters denied due process. Same with abortion issue with 79% of Americans in favor of legal abortion vs. 19% against. Same with tax increases, same with gun control, the US legislatures are out much more right wing than the population.
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Alcohol is legal, and widely abused to society's detriment. Painkillers are copiously dispensed by big pharma and too many physicians, leading to addiction, but are legal. Cannabis is not remotely as negative as these other substances, but it is illegal. People go to jail for selling and using it, predominantly poor people of color. Enough! If adults want to use cannabis for recreational purposes within legal guidelines, then the government should regulate it....at least as well as alcohol, and better than opioids are currently.
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Legalize it already. Very soon Canada will be.
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Many states have a vested interest in continuing to keep the status quo, the large fines and the draconian punishments have created their own industry. From the jailers to the courts and the fines they impose, to the psychological treatments imposed on offenders, everyone has their own pound of flesh they are concerned with.
The laws themselves have created the problems we see in unbalanced enforcement such as the disparity in arrests between racial groups. ( similar to the cocaine years of the 80's and 90's). These imbalances are obvious in our jails and prisons, and the prison populations we see. The permanent branding of youngsters as drug abusers has prevented the personal advancements of hundreds of thousands due to criminal records.
Our northeast is suffereing through a scourge of heroin addictions, these addicts are often created by the recent crackdown on legal opiod based prescriptions which have been severly restricted with no off setting relief.
Each and every action taken has an equal and yet opposite reaction.
My own state of Florida has an extraordinarily rigid government controlled by stauch Republicans, Pam Bondi, an aggresive local politico, has been instrumental in denying marijuana to the people. Why ?
Her position is backed by the Govenor of Florida, Rick Scott, another aggresive law and order politico.
It is now time to recognize what the people want, legalization.
The laws themselves have created the problems we see in unbalanced enforcement such as the disparity in arrests between racial groups. ( similar to the cocaine years of the 80's and 90's). These imbalances are obvious in our jails and prisons, and the prison populations we see. The permanent branding of youngsters as drug abusers has prevented the personal advancements of hundreds of thousands due to criminal records.
Our northeast is suffereing through a scourge of heroin addictions, these addicts are often created by the recent crackdown on legal opiod based prescriptions which have been severly restricted with no off setting relief.
Each and every action taken has an equal and yet opposite reaction.
My own state of Florida has an extraordinarily rigid government controlled by stauch Republicans, Pam Bondi, an aggresive local politico, has been instrumental in denying marijuana to the people. Why ?
Her position is backed by the Govenor of Florida, Rick Scott, another aggresive law and order politico.
It is now time to recognize what the people want, legalization.
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The editorial writer is misinformed when he writes that LSD has no accepted medical use. On the contrary, medical researchers, both in Europe and the U.S., have demonstrated that LSD is highly beneficial in treating alcoholism (a disease), depression and in therapy for the terminally ill. This type of poor editorial research is just the kind of error that led to the nonsensical classification of marijuana which this editorial writes discusses. Since The Times is a newspaper of record the reader should receive editorial content which is researched accurately.
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America's ban on marijuana was the brain child of Harry Anslinger who was basically our drug czar starting with the Hoover administration and ending with Kennedy. Among his more memorable quotes was "marijuana influences negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice." In short, the ban was based on pure racism and his first target was Billie Holiday.
Sadly, the corporations that run many of our prisons get paid by the bed and it's in the financial interest of the states to keep the beds full. Needless to say, many of those incarcerated also lose their franchise upon release...
To keep marijuana classified as a schedule 1 drug (the same class as LSD and Heroin) and theoretically more dangerous than methamphetamines is ludicrous. Hopefully, states will force the change upward to the Federal Government...I recommend the book, Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari
Sadly, the corporations that run many of our prisons get paid by the bed and it's in the financial interest of the states to keep the beds full. Needless to say, many of those incarcerated also lose their franchise upon release...
To keep marijuana classified as a schedule 1 drug (the same class as LSD and Heroin) and theoretically more dangerous than methamphetamines is ludicrous. Hopefully, states will force the change upward to the Federal Government...I recommend the book, Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari
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Racism for sure, not just against blacks as you mentioned.
The very act of referring to cannabis in Spanish highlights the anti-Latino racism of opponents since the beginning right up to now ("their rapiststs, ... they bring drugs...")
Cmon people its CANNABIS.
The very act of referring to cannabis in Spanish highlights the anti-Latino racism of opponents since the beginning right up to now ("their rapiststs, ... they bring drugs...")
Cmon people its CANNABIS.
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President Obama has been amazing. He would do our nation a big favor if, as a parting gift, he were to do everything in his power to update these ridiculous marijuana laws and classifications on the federal level before he leaves office.
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Remember "vote with your feet"? if a majority of voters do not think Marijuana should be illegal... and there's only scary evidence illegality is a good idea... and it doesn't seem to work, anyhow... don't you ache to know who supports continued prohibition and why they believe they have a right to make decisions about somebody else's life?
Two major suspects: those whose jobs depend on criminality, and the holier-than-thou choir.
Two major suspects: those whose jobs depend on criminality, and the holier-than-thou choir.
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well i think this is the third go round out here in california. this time it will pass. issues already told by authorities with knowledge in sacramento, is that companies like phillip morris and r j reynolds are the kind of companies allowed to enter the nascent market. mom and pop shops that have been supplying edible artisan goodies will have to pony up unreal amounts to stay active. we shall see. however i don't see how the state if it passes (it will) will find it possible to limit any growing restrictions in the backyard.
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NYS should be taking the lead alongside California on legalization
Since when is Alaska more progressive than us?
Legalize it, don't criticize it, says PeterTosh, and me
Since when is Alaska more progressive than us?
Legalize it, don't criticize it, says PeterTosh, and me
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Wait until Canada & MA legalize it and start making millions.
What do you think Cuomo will do - add police at the borders and act like Kansas?
What do you think Cuomo will do - add police at the borders and act like Kansas?
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Go for it! It's time. This ridiculous prohibition has been going on too long and it's far better and safer than pharmaceuticals or alcohol for many things.
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As best as I can ascertain, the movement to legalize marijuana as a medication was driven by the ulterior motive of legalizing weed as a recreational drug. Whereas I have no issue with the recreational use of marijuana by informed adults in the same manner as alcohol, I have a serious issue with the claims about the medicinal benefits of cannabis for a wide assortment of disorders and illnesses without subjecting the substance to rigorous double blinded, random controlled trials. Admittedly, there have been, and still are barriers, to conducting clinical research studies on cannabis --- not the least of which has been the archaic federal controls --- but these are the generally accepted standards by rational 21 century humans. While there is plenty of evidence of the existence of endogenous cannabinoids and receptors (CB1, CB2) distributed throughout the nervous and immune system, and to thereby conclude that substances found in marijuana can potentially provide benefits to the sick and infirm seems reasonable, to believe that the use of exogenous cannabinoids --- THC, cannabindiol, etc. --- can relieve the symptoms of, or even cure, such a range of ailments as glaucoma and ALS, PTSD and peptic ulcer disease, is a 'pipe dream.'
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Hundreds of published medical studies, 76% of doctors, a dozen major nations (including Israel, with some of the best medical care on earth) with vast medicinal marijuana programs, hundreds of medical associations, millions of patients, and about 5000 years of historical evidence all say otherwise. Sorry, marijuana is medicine, it is very safe medicine, and we have just begun to scratch the surface of this plant's potential.
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So-- why is our "Progressive" Mayor still opposed to legalization?
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because he is aligned with Clinton..and also likely receives campaign finance money from those that profit from wars, the war against pot included..follow the money
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We've had legal recreational weed sold in specialized retail outlets for the past couple years here in WA. It hasn't been the disaster that some predicted. Instead, weed has become more normalized in the culture and more and more adults- the kind who said they smoked in college but not since- have dabbled in it like they might drink a glass of wine. You do see it used in public more than ever, at clubs and on the streets, but it's no big deal really. I'm glad to live in a state where the adults decided to act like adults.
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The reefer-hysteria is alive and well in the states that are voting on it.
The political ads in opposition are ridiculous. As are the politicians and others who publicly oppose it. There are local news stations who are portraying it as if people will go mad, smoking huge bongs in playgrounds and school yards. The sanity that prevails in the states that have passed legalization measures must be represented in the press and in general. It's not as if WA, (&OR/CO/AK) has turned into one big out of control frat party on permanent spring break.
An 81 year old woman was arrested a couple of weeks ago, for ONE, (yes, one) marijuana plant in her garden in Northhampton, Mass. She grew it for her glaucoma condition. Military reserves in their helicopter flew over her home. She was then raided SWAT-like.
The political ads in opposition are ridiculous. As are the politicians and others who publicly oppose it. There are local news stations who are portraying it as if people will go mad, smoking huge bongs in playgrounds and school yards. The sanity that prevails in the states that have passed legalization measures must be represented in the press and in general. It's not as if WA, (&OR/CO/AK) has turned into one big out of control frat party on permanent spring break.
An 81 year old woman was arrested a couple of weeks ago, for ONE, (yes, one) marijuana plant in her garden in Northhampton, Mass. She grew it for her glaucoma condition. Military reserves in their helicopter flew over her home. She was then raided SWAT-like.
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Prohibition funds drug cartels, it contributes to mass graves, it has resulted in tens of millions of invalid arrests, jobs lost, families ripped apart, and who knows how many lives destroyed. The best part is, it hasn't stopped or slowed marijuana use. Anyone and everyone who wants to smoke pot, is smoking pkt regardless, and rightfully so. We might as well take that money out of the black market and put it to good use. There aren't even two sides to this discussion. Prohibition was a dumb idea to begin with, it failed, and it is time to move on.
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CA, with the 6th largest economy in the world, will be the big domino to fall. If MA passes it in the east that will really speed things up. After that it will only be a matter of time.
I've always felt it will go the way of gambling... once a state leagalizes it, border states will follow suit once they see their residents crossing borders to purchase pot and tax revenue leaving the state.
I've always felt it will go the way of gambling... once a state leagalizes it, border states will follow suit once they see their residents crossing borders to purchase pot and tax revenue leaving the state.
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Drugs are not dangerous because they are illegal, they are illegal because they're dangerous.
And yes, criminal convictions will go down. If we eliminated all laws, we could close all of our prisons. I just don't see how this helps anyone.
And yes, criminal convictions will go down. If we eliminated all laws, we could close all of our prisons. I just don't see how this helps anyone.
Then alcohol, one of the most dangerous and abused substances, resulting in thousands of deaths each year, should be illegal.
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The most dangerous of all is the legal one, alcohol, in so many more ways than cannabis, I can't begin to list them. Basically the only thing about weed that is dangerous for one's health is its illegality.
There's a reason you don't hear much about the negative aspects of weed consumption. Basically there aren't any.
There's a reason you don't hear much about the negative aspects of weed consumption. Basically there aren't any.
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And pot-DUIs will go through the roof. You won't get away scott free.
The Federal government cannot lead from behind. It is wrong on the science, wrong on the ethics, wrong on the law, wrong on the economics and wrong on the politics. The federal drug policy along with policies such as the illegal total surveillance apparatus and the policy of perpetual warfare will, in time, threaten the government's legitimacy.
All said, I do not expect anything to change absent a massive popular movement, something that does not now appear imminent. Even so, there are clearly warning signs that such a movement is germinating.
All said, I do not expect anything to change absent a massive popular movement, something that does not now appear imminent. Even so, there are clearly warning signs that such a movement is germinating.
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While in my view marijuana should be moved to Schedule 3, just moving it to Schedule 2 would make it legal for state-licensed dispensaries to sell marijuana. Hopefully the remaining 25 states will move quickly to legalize medical uses of marijuana for pain control.
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Schedule 1 drugs are supposed to have no medical uses, yet many of them do have medical uses. The psychoactive drugs like LSD and psilocybin have been shown to be helpful with proper supervision in psychiatric cases for OCD and other disorders. Heroin does work for pain management in end-of-life palliative care. It is time to give up the drug war and treat drug problems as a medical issue, not a criminal one.
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Over the past two decades, deaths from drug overdoses have become the leading cause of injury death in the United States.
In 2011, 55% of drug overdose deaths were related to prescription medications; 75% of those deaths involved opiate painkillers.
However, researchers found that opiate-related deaths decreased by approximately 33% in 13 states in the following six years after medical marijuana was legalized in those states.
http://drugabuse.com/legalizing-marijuana-decreases-fatal-opiate-overdoses/
In another study of the 17 states with a medical marijuana law in place by 2013, prescriptions for painkillers and other drugs dropped significantly compared with states that did not legalize medical marijuana.
Medical marijuana’s availability in these states also had a significant effect on Medicare spending.
According to the University of Georgia study, Medicare saved approximately $165.2 million in 2013 because of lower prescription drug use.
Legalization of marijuana saves lives and saves money and is generally less dangerous than alcohol.
And it's delicious.
Try it - you'll like it.
The only ones opposed to marijuana legalization are Big PhRMA, Big Prisons, Puritans, and the Paranoid Pot Prohibitionist Society.
In 2011, 55% of drug overdose deaths were related to prescription medications; 75% of those deaths involved opiate painkillers.
However, researchers found that opiate-related deaths decreased by approximately 33% in 13 states in the following six years after medical marijuana was legalized in those states.
http://drugabuse.com/legalizing-marijuana-decreases-fatal-opiate-overdoses/
In another study of the 17 states with a medical marijuana law in place by 2013, prescriptions for painkillers and other drugs dropped significantly compared with states that did not legalize medical marijuana.
Medical marijuana’s availability in these states also had a significant effect on Medicare spending.
According to the University of Georgia study, Medicare saved approximately $165.2 million in 2013 because of lower prescription drug use.
Legalization of marijuana saves lives and saves money and is generally less dangerous than alcohol.
And it's delicious.
Try it - you'll like it.
The only ones opposed to marijuana legalization are Big PhRMA, Big Prisons, Puritans, and the Paranoid Pot Prohibitionist Society.
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Stoner, I am with you.
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Alcohol consumption among teenagers has greatly decreased in the states where marijuana is legal or more available (Calif.). There may be a huge cost savings there too and less alcohol related deaths.
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Heroin and prescription drug overdoses are killing people. Pot isnt. Nice try.
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This has been a major impediment to advancing legalization in the Netherlands, where cannabis sale and use (but not production!) is tolerated as a compromise solution. The United States currently has a similar situation between the federal government and the States who have voted to regulate instead of prohibit.
There was a chance in April this year to reinvent and debate these UN treaties at a summit called UNGASS. The NY Times was one of few media that put some effort into highlighting the topic in an editorial, but policy makers seem very unaware that past US policy prohibits current US progression on this issue.