Just went through the history of the endorsements over the last 45-years from NYT. Except for Bill Clinton, who was a moderate. The Times has endorsed every left wing candidate running for President. No Republican since Eisenhower and especially since the Left took over the Democratic party in the 1970's. Please explain how this isn't bias?
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I'll tell you why:
"... why aren't other top Republicans running away from his, as fast as they can?"
Because they have nowhere to run TO.
If they say "I don't like Hillary Clinton, so maybe I'll run to Gary Johnson or Jill Stein," you tell them: "Don't do that -- it would be a wasted vote." There seems to be only one choice such a person can make that will satisfy Clinton supporters: Vote for Clinton.
But why should someone vote for Clinton? Simply because she's "not Trump?" She flipflops more than most politicians (just in the last year or so: Keystone pipeline, TPP, gay marriage). She's consistent only on one thing: She never met a Middle East war she didn't like, a Middle East war that she thinks the US should steer clear of -- and yet her supporters have the audacity to insist that Trump would be more "dangerous." If Clinton were President right now, we'd probably have ground troops in Libya and Syria, and maybe even the Ukraine. How that qualifies her as the "peace" candidate escapes me.
I'll grant that she knows more about the world than Trump does. But I'm more concerned with how she's applied that knowledge. The answers are: (1) in the limited circumstances where she's been consistent, her preference is always to intervene, to "shoot first and ask questions later;" and (2) she's not often consistent at all: she flip-flops a great deal -- e.g. the Keystone pipeline, the TPP trade agreement, gay marriage.
And, of course, she's "not Trump." Is that enough?
"... why aren't other top Republicans running away from his, as fast as they can?"
Because they have nowhere to run TO.
If they say "I don't like Hillary Clinton, so maybe I'll run to Gary Johnson or Jill Stein," you tell them: "Don't do that -- it would be a wasted vote." There seems to be only one choice such a person can make that will satisfy Clinton supporters: Vote for Clinton.
But why should someone vote for Clinton? Simply because she's "not Trump?" She flipflops more than most politicians (just in the last year or so: Keystone pipeline, TPP, gay marriage). She's consistent only on one thing: She never met a Middle East war she didn't like, a Middle East war that she thinks the US should steer clear of -- and yet her supporters have the audacity to insist that Trump would be more "dangerous." If Clinton were President right now, we'd probably have ground troops in Libya and Syria, and maybe even the Ukraine. How that qualifies her as the "peace" candidate escapes me.
I'll grant that she knows more about the world than Trump does. But I'm more concerned with how she's applied that knowledge. The answers are: (1) in the limited circumstances where she's been consistent, her preference is always to intervene, to "shoot first and ask questions later;" and (2) she's not often consistent at all: she flip-flops a great deal -- e.g. the Keystone pipeline, the TPP trade agreement, gay marriage.
And, of course, she's "not Trump." Is that enough?
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`Why Donald Trump Should Not Be President'
I assume this is Part One.
I assume this is Part One.
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The evidence is here that the Establishment is really, really desperate.
Evidently enough of ordinary Americans are ready what their British counterpard achieved just months ago by voting for Brexit.
British Prime Minister, David Cameron, before the Brexit referendum vote scared fellow with fellow citizens ready to vote Leave with the following insult:
"They are loonies, fruitcakes, closeted racists, mainly."
Now also pro-establishment horse, Hillary Clinton, upped that iontentinally scaring, manipulative insults with her:
"Half of Trump supporters are 'basket of deplorables', racists, sexists, homophobic, islamophobic, you name it."
This "most qualified candidate", like Cameron, intends to scare voters, not only the undecided, with there horrible, false, insulting labels intendent to scare fellow Americans into: "You better vote my way or you are ... deplorable."
The Quiet Majority in the UK managed to win and there is no reasons American can't achieve the same success.
Evidently enough of ordinary Americans are ready what their British counterpard achieved just months ago by voting for Brexit.
British Prime Minister, David Cameron, before the Brexit referendum vote scared fellow with fellow citizens ready to vote Leave with the following insult:
"They are loonies, fruitcakes, closeted racists, mainly."
Now also pro-establishment horse, Hillary Clinton, upped that iontentinally scaring, manipulative insults with her:
"Half of Trump supporters are 'basket of deplorables', racists, sexists, homophobic, islamophobic, you name it."
This "most qualified candidate", like Cameron, intends to scare voters, not only the undecided, with there horrible, false, insulting labels intendent to scare fellow Americans into: "You better vote my way or you are ... deplorable."
The Quiet Majority in the UK managed to win and there is no reasons American can't achieve the same success.
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If Trump has won you over it is because he has somehow convinced you that you are safer indulging your worst fears and ugliest impulses than you are rising to your bravest and most noble instincts.
The kind of "safety" he offers from terror is worse than mere illusion, it is the ultimate invitation of terror into our lives.
He has shown you that his chosen tools for "leading" include social and financial bludgeons, physical and metaphorical walls. . . and nuclear weapons, the use of which will compel commensurate retribution from all spheres.
If America sanctions this demonstrable maniac to lead the most powerful military on earth, she and her interests abroad will become isolated, targeted, vilified, reviled, and dealt with accordingly.
The kind of "safety" he offers from terror is worse than mere illusion, it is the ultimate invitation of terror into our lives.
He has shown you that his chosen tools for "leading" include social and financial bludgeons, physical and metaphorical walls. . . and nuclear weapons, the use of which will compel commensurate retribution from all spheres.
If America sanctions this demonstrable maniac to lead the most powerful military on earth, she and her interests abroad will become isolated, targeted, vilified, reviled, and dealt with accordingly.
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Senator Mitch McConnell, Mr. Paul Ryan, Senator Ted Cruz, Mr. Reince Priebus: Your support of Mr. Donald Trump has boarded him on Ms. Agatha Christie's Orient Express. Republican voters for Senator Hillary Clinton dictate that only the Party of Lincoln disembark at the end of the voyage.
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Gary Johnson for President.
More experienced than Hillary.
Better results than Hillary.
Practical.
Less Corrupt than Hillary.
Just tryin' to help some of you self-imagined "liberals" out of your hypocracy.
More experienced than Hillary.
Better results than Hillary.
Practical.
Less Corrupt than Hillary.
Just tryin' to help some of you self-imagined "liberals" out of your hypocracy.
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All great points but what does the New York Times hope to accomplish with this editorial? It certainly won't be read by the low information voters who support Donald Trump.
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no written word can defeat donnie
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If you live in or near PA, FL, OH, NC, NV, CO and AZ, and believe theree are overwhelming concerns of a Trump Presidency, please volunteer your time on phone banks and help get out the vote. Millennial need a push. The 46th President will be their time. College educated men (and women in particular) in these states need to be reminded their votes are critical.
The rest are just so mad at the system, that nothing the *The Donald* says or does will stop them for voting for him. And their abject hatred for another Clinton, makes them a scary reliable vote.
The rest are just so mad at the system, that nothing the *The Donald* says or does will stop them for voting for him. And their abject hatred for another Clinton, makes them a scary reliable vote.
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Extremely unlikely that anyone considering voting for Trump is going to read this, unfortunately.
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Enough already. We all know why a Trump presidency will be a disaster and we realize that Hillary is the only viable non-Trump candidate and we're all too aware of her past mistakes. We get it. Some of us are trying to support her campaign, and what we desperately need to hear about is why people should vote for Hillary and not just against Trump. Got any ideas, Times?
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Your criticism of Trump is correct, or at least probably all. I'm a registered Democrat and your criticism would be adequate to cause me to NOT vote for him if the opposing candidate was decent. But I can't think of a present politician that is as corrupt as Hillary Clinton. Her accomplishments in foreign and domestic policies speak adequately to convince me to vote against allowing her to run this nation.
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Dear American Friends;
I think that Mr. Donald Trump will become the President of the United States because it will be the will of the majority of Americans.
I hope you will like him.
I think that Mr. Donald Trump will become the President of the United States because it will be the will of the majority of Americans.
I hope you will like him.
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The key to dealing with perceived insanity is not to reason with it using evidence and normal logic.
The trick is to use the power of the insanity against itself, as in "Fellow Salemites, how do we know that Satan isn't tricking the girls into pointing the finger of guilt at the wrong alleged witches in order to spare the real ones?"
I'll leave it up to you to figure out how to apply this to present circumstances.
The trick is to use the power of the insanity against itself, as in "Fellow Salemites, how do we know that Satan isn't tricking the girls into pointing the finger of guilt at the wrong alleged witches in order to spare the real ones?"
I'll leave it up to you to figure out how to apply this to present circumstances.
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Precise editorial. However, will it matter? His voters are ones that don't care about the facts, or the truth for that matter.
That is hella scary.
That is hella scary.
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Anyone seriously considering T rump should ask themselves whether they would allow their children to go to his house for a sleepover with his "children/grandchildren...whatever".
Sarcasm aside, there can be no doubt what he has offered his supporters; he will by the power of a dictator change the very foundations of our Nation, our government, our society, our culture.
And in America, we do not elect dictators, ho matter what T rump or bush ii might suggest.
Sarcasm aside, there can be no doubt what he has offered his supporters; he will by the power of a dictator change the very foundations of our Nation, our government, our society, our culture.
And in America, we do not elect dictators, ho matter what T rump or bush ii might suggest.
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What’s even more striking than Trump’s shameless sleaziness and deceit is the gullibility of his supporters. It’s the wizard of Oz all over again. Millions of scarecrows and cowardly lions believing that the wizard’s grandiose boasts will actually materialize and give them what they lack.
They believe this “wizard’s” third-grader boasts about the “big beautiful” wall, deporting millions of illegals, and bringing other countries to their knees, bombing them away and “just taking the oil”; all this to pay for his imagined victimhood of the U.S. They drool with credulity when he claims to have “the world’s best memory” or when he boasts that his “number one foreign policy advisor is myself” . They don’t seem to worry that, while vowing to make America great again, Trump is insistently courting one of its proven enemies, Putin.
Trump has even conned his supporters into focusing on Hillary’s “crookedness” and Obama’s “failures”, which has turned them away from his own dishonesty, e.g. his refusal to release his tax records, or his use of other people’s money to fund his “charity”.
It is truly terrifying to think that the next presidential election could be decided by millions of conned people whose resentment and need for a hero (even if it’s only a paper tiger) blinds them to the point where they can’t see the emptiness behind the pompous grandioseness.
They believe this “wizard’s” third-grader boasts about the “big beautiful” wall, deporting millions of illegals, and bringing other countries to their knees, bombing them away and “just taking the oil”; all this to pay for his imagined victimhood of the U.S. They drool with credulity when he claims to have “the world’s best memory” or when he boasts that his “number one foreign policy advisor is myself” . They don’t seem to worry that, while vowing to make America great again, Trump is insistently courting one of its proven enemies, Putin.
Trump has even conned his supporters into focusing on Hillary’s “crookedness” and Obama’s “failures”, which has turned them away from his own dishonesty, e.g. his refusal to release his tax records, or his use of other people’s money to fund his “charity”.
It is truly terrifying to think that the next presidential election could be decided by millions of conned people whose resentment and need for a hero (even if it’s only a paper tiger) blinds them to the point where they can’t see the emptiness behind the pompous grandioseness.
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Congratulations to The Times Ed. Board for their dedication in sorting through this latest political pile of manure searching for the lest odious maggot.
After this disgusting political process America would do better to replace congress and the executive branch with random picks from phone books.
Or to be optimistic, we could have done worse.
After this disgusting political process America would do better to replace congress and the executive branch with random picks from phone books.
Or to be optimistic, we could have done worse.
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This is a "water is wet" moment, but it is telling of the state of our country that we have to still reason and justify why Donald Trump should not be President.
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The fact that a game show host is the presidential nominee of the Republican Party is all any sane, rational human being should need to know, and sufficient to cause them not to ever vote for another GOP nominee, for any office, again.
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I can confidently predict that most of his surrogates will either be in jail or bankrupt within two years.
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Very good case made against Mr. Trump. Is a must read before you vote this November.
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Trump's nomination shocked everyone, but in hindsight, it shouldn't have. It was a long time coming. Before and during WWII, nationalism destroyed the world. That led to a wonderful 50 years of relative peace -- a time when most countries, including Muslim countries such as Pakistan, were getting relatively liberal. The tide seems to have turned after 9/11. Nationalism is rearing its ugly head again in many Western and Asian countries, so don't be too surprised if Trump is actually elected. People don't know history to learn from it.
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An excellent "argument" for not voting for Trump. Step by step so even the simplest of intelligence can comprehend exactly why, for numerous reasons, someone so ill informed and ignorant should never be let near the White house especially as POTUS. People can curse Hillary Clinton all they want , a but no one can deny she is better suited in every way, most importantly temperament to be POTUS. Will she ever be as progressive in her policies as Sanders, probably not. Will she work miracles for the middle and lower income earners, again probably not. Still, you know where you stand with her and that is reason enough for me to vote for her.
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I'm not a financial analyst, but if Trump becomes president (or has a reasonable chance of becoming president ) it might be a good idea to withdraw all money from the stock market and stuff it in your mattress.
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Watching Charles Osgood sign off yesterday, classy, smart and elegant, I could not help but think of his antithesis -- Donald Trump.
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so, other than those things in your long, long list, what's not to like?
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Your rant would be more believable if you didn't continually parrot the Clinton campaign's spin and innuendo. The lack of reality in your description of Mr Trump's resumé should disqualify the rest of your cynical supposition as to how he would handle his responsibilities.
If you would admit to Secy Clinton's obvious preference to Political solutions over those actually Helping Americans, maybe you could see that we need a practical problem solver like Mr Trump. That's how you succeed in Business. It's not hard to see how folks like Secy Clinton succeed in Politics, just by how your Editorial Board tries to play on the ignorance of the voters to her benefit.
If you would admit to Secy Clinton's obvious preference to Political solutions over those actually Helping Americans, maybe you could see that we need a practical problem solver like Mr Trump. That's how you succeed in Business. It's not hard to see how folks like Secy Clinton succeed in Politics, just by how your Editorial Board tries to play on the ignorance of the voters to her benefit.
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Does he not have the right to become President of USA , if 48% of USA's voters want him to be President of USA as per the latest opinion Polls?
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Next, explain to people why "neither" is not a choice. That the set of still-viable choices has been chosen by the voters in primaries & polls, not imposed by some "establishment". That stating a 2nd choice when your 1st is rejected is not a betrayal of your values. That any value of the anti-corporate statement sent by Nader voters in 2000 is dwarfed by the dire reality they chose not to prevent.
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I agree with many things the NYT lists about Trump, he's a carnival barker, appealing to the lowest common denominator voter who are frustrated and dismissed by the Washington elite. Both sides can be right, the Trump voter in their frustration with our current political parties and the NYT who are right in pointing out his obvious faults. But Clinton is the same ole same ole, she's an insider, a liar just like Trump, a calculating politician who puts her finger in the wind too. She and the baggage of her poor record as Secretary of State, lackluster senatorial history and her seemingly endless scandals that she is loathe to come clean on. Out of 350 million people in our country Trump and Clinton are the best we could find? I'm voting for Johnson because I cannot in good conscience vote for the major parties nominees.
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Trump and his advisers have proven themselves as masters of communication in going by the rules of Joseph Goebbels. Comparisons to Nazis are often overblown and used too frequently, but in this case they may fit the feet as well measured jackboots. Keep repeating the lies and assertions (Believe Me) and eventually an unformed but angry public will listen. And to the horror of many of us US citizens, it is working. To make a greater nation, Trumps foremost promise, wouldn't he have to pull Americans together and not divide us. At some point, won't his "Believe Me," be belied by his actions? And how will that bring us together for a greater America? Blood in the streets cannot be ruled out with Trump as president, just as it was not ruled out in Germany with the Nazis. History will judge the NY Times well for calling out lies as lies and the danger to democracy as just that.
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To me, here's why Donald Trump should not be president. Simply put, as a demagogue Donald Trump is the most terrifying person to ever cross the American political landscape since I first became eligible to vote in 1966. What most terrified me recently - and quite frankly has gotten very little mention - is how a couple of weeks ago he damned America's generals - he knows more about how to defeat ISIS then they do after all - and then used scary dictatorial and historically familiar strongman language when he declared "My generals will do better." "My Generals?" Sure, he would be their Commander in Chief..but "My Generals."
"..bigotry, bluster and false promises.." as the Times puts it, isn't the really scary stuff. That's all pretty transparent and ugly to most voters. What's really terrifying - to me anyway - is his "strongman" language coupled with his huge dose of narcissism which has led to his sweeping criticism of our allies while at the same time praising Putin because Putin purportedly praised him.
Tough talk and Trump talk are two different things. Tough talk is when a candidate wants to make a case for a compromised Constitutional issue or he or she makes a case that human rights violators around the world should not be tolerated. Trump talk is directed at American voters' fears and anxieties without a shred of decency, compassion or truth in what he says. That's terrifying.
"..bigotry, bluster and false promises.." as the Times puts it, isn't the really scary stuff. That's all pretty transparent and ugly to most voters. What's really terrifying - to me anyway - is his "strongman" language coupled with his huge dose of narcissism which has led to his sweeping criticism of our allies while at the same time praising Putin because Putin purportedly praised him.
Tough talk and Trump talk are two different things. Tough talk is when a candidate wants to make a case for a compromised Constitutional issue or he or she makes a case that human rights violators around the world should not be tolerated. Trump talk is directed at American voters' fears and anxieties without a shred of decency, compassion or truth in what he says. That's terrifying.
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There would be one error worse than electing Donald Trump. That would be neglecting the reasons that half of the electorate will vote for him.
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This is a yellow dog election. Democrats and Republicans would vote for a yellow dog if it won their parties nomination.
Don't be a Yellow Dog Democrat. Think for yourself.
Gary Johnson is the best choice this year.
Don't be a Yellow Dog Democrat. Think for yourself.
Gary Johnson is the best choice this year.
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If the NYT similarly disqualified HRC from consideration, I might find this persuasive. But they have been in the bag for her before the first vote was cast. Why bother to state the obvious?
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This statement alone disqualifies Trump.
Asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” who he talks with consistently about foreign policy, Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."
Asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” who he talks with consistently about foreign policy, Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."
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Well said. Now it's up to everyone who agrees to not just vote, but to make a checklist of at least 10 friends and family and make sure they vote with you - not a write in, not Green, not Libertarian - for Hillary.
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For heavens sake, we get it. We really do get it. Will you please shift some of your attention to helping arouse the non-voters especially the younger people, 35 and under, to wake up and vote. I would bet that for 95% of the people who read the NYT this editorial was old news. Who on earth are you writing for. Donald is a creep. We get it. Nobody who is even 10% conscious would vote for Donald. We get it.
Surly there are some people on the NYT who can begin to focus on how to get to the sleepers.
Surly there are some people on the NYT who can begin to focus on how to get to the sleepers.
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Ask not “Which candidate would you like to have a beer with?” Ask “Which candidate would you ask to care for your children in case of emergency?” Why is this important? Well, would you rather have a president you can howl in laughter with over wanting to punch someone’s ugly face in or a president who would actually pick up your child, listen to your needs, and get things done? Good Mother Earth care habits vs a spoiled boy who never got past temper tantrums and revenge habits. Your call. I know what my choice would be.
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We're about to elect a guy with the vocabulary of a fifth grader. We're doomed.
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This is rich - first your endorsement of Hillary and now this screed as to how awful Donald Trump is. Do your editorial writers ever leave Manhattan, do they know any enlisted, non-commissioned members of our military, have they met any of the Benghazi families, Kate Steinle's parents, or have they ever sat down to talk to Juanita Broaddrick? Your status quo sitting in Manhattan or Brooklyn is assured as long as Hillary is elected. Let the others eat cake.
A number of Times sycophants ask - how can you possibly vote for Trump? 1) I believe we need a border and need to enforce our immigration laws, 2) Islamic terrorism is a threat to our country and unveiled, unfettered immigration from Muslim countries is a danger (please name a Muslim-majority country where religious minorities are well-treated?) 3) I don't want the SEIU to set labor policy 4) I don't want the NEA to run our education system 5) I don't want a President who is willing to overlook the gross abuse of power by another President having sex in the Oval Office with a 21 yesr old intern. (Any corporate CEO would be fired for such behavior), 6) I want a President who doesn't delete permanently 33,000 yoga/wedding emails after receiving a subpoena ftom Congress.
A number of Times sycophants ask - how can you possibly vote for Trump? 1) I believe we need a border and need to enforce our immigration laws, 2) Islamic terrorism is a threat to our country and unveiled, unfettered immigration from Muslim countries is a danger (please name a Muslim-majority country where religious minorities are well-treated?) 3) I don't want the SEIU to set labor policy 4) I don't want the NEA to run our education system 5) I don't want a President who is willing to overlook the gross abuse of power by another President having sex in the Oval Office with a 21 yesr old intern. (Any corporate CEO would be fired for such behavior), 6) I want a President who doesn't delete permanently 33,000 yoga/wedding emails after receiving a subpoena ftom Congress.
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I wonder how much of the spike in homicides ever since Trump entered the race is due to his campaign rhetoric.
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I'm out for a weekend of boating on an area lake and all any of these comfortable, affluent, southern white folk can do is talk about great Trump is. These people are educated. They're not the uneducated white, male economic "loser" so often described by pollsters. I just don't understand it. They don't see what a train wreck it will be if Trump wins.
Americans have sunk so low.
Americans have sunk so low.
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Mr. Trump,
--You have called global warming a "hoax." That's not "politically incorrect." That's scientifically incorrect.
--You have said that the president of the United States is not an American. That's not "politically incorrect," that's demonstrably incorrect.
--You have accused President Barrack Obama's former secretary of state of starting the "Birther" campaign against our president. That's not "politically incorrect." That's blatantly incorrect.
--You have encouraged our former Cold War enemy Russia to hack servers of the United States. That's not "politically incorrect." That's morally incorrect.
--You have said you will increase the use of torture as president. That's not politically incorrect. That's legally incorrect.
--You have said you will "Make America Great Again" by halting trade with China and Mexico. That's not "politically incorrect." That's economically incorrect.
--You have said that immigants from Mexico are pouring across our border in increasing numbers, bringing crime and destroying our economy. That's not "politically incorrect." That's statistically incorrect.
When have you EVER been correct about anything?
--You have called global warming a "hoax." That's not "politically incorrect." That's scientifically incorrect.
--You have said that the president of the United States is not an American. That's not "politically incorrect," that's demonstrably incorrect.
--You have accused President Barrack Obama's former secretary of state of starting the "Birther" campaign against our president. That's not "politically incorrect." That's blatantly incorrect.
--You have encouraged our former Cold War enemy Russia to hack servers of the United States. That's not "politically incorrect." That's morally incorrect.
--You have said you will increase the use of torture as president. That's not politically incorrect. That's legally incorrect.
--You have said you will "Make America Great Again" by halting trade with China and Mexico. That's not "politically incorrect." That's economically incorrect.
--You have said that immigants from Mexico are pouring across our border in increasing numbers, bringing crime and destroying our economy. That's not "politically incorrect." That's statistically incorrect.
When have you EVER been correct about anything?
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HRC would make a great president but she is never going to get the chance to prove that. she is such a flawed candidate that her defeat is inevitable. she should have dropped out of the race, but the very reason she will lose, her hubris, has kept her in it. history will not be kind to her or the democrats for nominating her.
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As a long time reader of this paper it is very easy to spot the obvious---that the Editors and perhaps the Publisher as well, are in a full blown panic because their candidate of choice could very well lose come November.
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Thank you for laying out the disaster that is Donald Trump. What you say won't make a bit of difference to most Republican voters. I feel they will vote for him in order to maintain a conservative edge in the Supreme Court, and to spite Democrats. Republican voters are inured to logic and reason, and they apparently will go along with the destruction of their democracy (and they love The Constitution!) rather than admit that their candidate is an awful man who will do terrible things.
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As a country, we have all grown up with the enduring national myth-- anybody can be the president, you, me, or your next door neighbor. That's what makes America great. Then you grow up and some realities set in. Most presidents went to Ivy League universities and graduate school. Most have been fairly wealthy. Most seem to talk in a guarded way, not what you would expect from just a normal person. We need to mature as a country. We need to be comfortable with the idea that no, not just anybody can be the president, you need to have some experience and education in politics/political theory. You should have experience in drafting legislation, voting on laws, etc.
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I agree 100% with this editorial, unfortunately Trump's base and much of the undecided vote feel that the NYT (the epicenter of the liberal media in their view) is invalid. Only if FOX News comes out against him will these un-endorsements have any impact.
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This election is about much more than Hillary v trump or dem v repub. It is about love v hate, light v dark, hope v fear, reason v extremism, science v religious dogma, maturity v childness, competence v incompetence, intelligence v idiocy. Above all it us about rationality v irrationality the founding principle of the enlightenment that this country was created on. I think it would behoove Hillary to emphasize there differences as much as possible through out her campaign and debates.
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I completely agree with your article and I am so afraid that he will win! They say that people get the government they deserve. I fear that after years of constant war and bad karma, Trump might be what is deserved.
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NY Times. with your usual good taste and restraint, you neglect to mention one possibility of a Trump presidency: he is an incipient dictator. Give him presidential power with a corrupt GOP and big money licking his boots, and you have a recipe for disaster: fascism. I feel there is a very dangerous situation in this country: a scared, white underclass is looking for a strong man to assuage its inchoate fears; Trump smells that fear and feeds on it to gain absolute power, which is, after all, what he craves. I'll be very surprised if "fascism" and "dictator" have not been sounded in your news room, nor would I be surprised if Trump speculated that our Constitution is an inconvenient fact impeding his desire to have full control of his next career. I know this is speculation, but....
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Trump is a criminal, an accused child rapist, a business failure, a fraudster and a con-man. Why anyone would vote for this creep I cannot understand.
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We may have concerns over HRC and some are well-founded. But people round the world are sleepless if not suffering nightmares over the very thought of a Trump presidency.
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Can there be any argument that the day after a Trump election, the value of the dollar would greatly decline? And the stock markets would drop?
It's hard to imagine the hole our country was in when Bush left office, and how far we've come in the eight years since. Things are going REALLY well around here, to the point where we are now engaging with serious long-term problems like global warming.
Too bad our country is 47% stone-cold racists who care more about feeling self-righteous than they do with actually helping themselves. It's disgusting.
It's hard to imagine the hole our country was in when Bush left office, and how far we've come in the eight years since. Things are going REALLY well around here, to the point where we are now engaging with serious long-term problems like global warming.
Too bad our country is 47% stone-cold racists who care more about feeling self-righteous than they do with actually helping themselves. It's disgusting.
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For reasonable, responsible voters, liberal & conservative, who think Donald Trump is dangerously unfit to be President, but do not like Hillary either, I recommend not abstaining from voting nor voting for a third party candidate who will not win. You must vote for the lesser of the two viable evils if you don’t want the greater evil to slip in.
The fundamental problem is our outmoded “binary” voting system which still dangerously allows “vote splitting” and “spoiler” effects. I’ve been arguing for years for an optional rating voting system. Check the internet for “range voting” or “rating voting” to learn more. (Note: I’m not referring to the electoral college system which is another issue).
The fundamental problem is our outmoded “binary” voting system which still dangerously allows “vote splitting” and “spoiler” effects. I’ve been arguing for years for an optional rating voting system. Check the internet for “range voting” or “rating voting” to learn more. (Note: I’m not referring to the electoral college system which is another issue).
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Two days ago in an unpublished submission to the Times, I questioned the wisdom of your endorsement of Sec. Clinton. Specifically, I challenged the Times' ability to criticize future Pres. Clinton should she behave in a similarly careless and obfuscating manner, as she had and has as Sec. of State and candidate for the Presidency. I was not arguing the Times should endorse Mr. Trump. The Times has now taken the extra effort to post an Anti-Endorsement of Mr. Trump. The Times did not need to be Pro-Clinton AND Anti-Trump. While I disagree with the Times' simplistic caricaturization of Mr. Trump, I am not writing to debate the interpretations of Mr. Trump's statements. I am writing about your missed opportunity to send ALL politicians a message. Had the Times been ONLY Anti-Trump, Sec. Clinton and every US politician would have learned that poor behavior has consequences. Now, the Times has endorsed a candidate, who has been called "extremely careless" by the Director of the FBI, who also contradicted several of the candidate's statements to the public. Consequently, the Times has to defend or dismiss the indefensible. In short, the Times has rewarded bad behavior. What can the Times say if Pres. Clinton behaves similarly careless and secretive? What has the Times said to all present and future politicians? Further, once the Times endorsed Sec. Clinton, the paper lost credibility with many (not yet deplorable) Americans and they rendered their critique of Mr. Trump moot.
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Would love to read a convincing "Times Pick" logical argument why Trump should be President on the merits of his policies and without dissing Clinton
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Many people shake their heads over Trump's rise, but should we really be that surprised? Isn't he merely taking advantage of the fertile ground provided by the right-wing disinformation apparatus (e.g., Limbaugh, Fox News, Drudge and Breitbart)?
Decades of fear mongering, particularly about the government and liberalism, have allowed a selfish and vile man like Trump to rise to the edge of power. And his supporters will most certainly not be dissuaded by any purportedly liberal source from their support of a dangerous and narcissistic tyrant. As Jonathan Swift said, "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
Decades of fear mongering, particularly about the government and liberalism, have allowed a selfish and vile man like Trump to rise to the edge of power. And his supporters will most certainly not be dissuaded by any purportedly liberal source from their support of a dangerous and narcissistic tyrant. As Jonathan Swift said, "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
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Well, thanks a whole bunch for all that. An essay indistinguishable had the fresh faced Boy Scout who helps grannies cross the street Marco Rubio won the GOP nomination.
Though I share the Time’s disdain for Trump, my reading of the man is he is more ignorant than evil, more arrogant than conniving; not so much skilled but darn lucky as a politician.
The assertions that Trump is bigoted don’t ring true; who isn’t bigoted to the NYT’s these days? And claims of fascism in him are just lazy thinking.
But he is a dangerous man who should have not too much power. And it’s only the ineffectual Mrs. Clinton who can stop him. That’s not a good scenario.
Though I share the Time’s disdain for Trump, my reading of the man is he is more ignorant than evil, more arrogant than conniving; not so much skilled but darn lucky as a politician.
The assertions that Trump is bigoted don’t ring true; who isn’t bigoted to the NYT’s these days? And claims of fascism in him are just lazy thinking.
But he is a dangerous man who should have not too much power. And it’s only the ineffectual Mrs. Clinton who can stop him. That’s not a good scenario.
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You can cite a hundred arguments - but the Republican voter will still push the button for Trump. Lack of any external threats to the country has led Americans into inexorable partisan warfare - Trump is just the clown taking advantage of this deep divide.
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First question tonight should be "Mr. Trump, as a advocate of waterboarding what would you do if captured American soldiers were subjected to the same method of interrogation?
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Well said. I wish I felt it mattered.
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The problem with the NYT and the WP is that do not reach the ones that have to be converted.
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You are missing the point.
Many Trump supporters already know he doesn't tell the truth, doesn't know anything about the economy, or ISIS, or immigration. But we are just tired of the political correctness and double-speak of President Obama, Hillary, and likes of the NYTimes.The Obama administration reminds one of Animal Farm.The president went on for months about how "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", only to find out that not only was that complete nonsense, but that a primary architect of Obamacare (Jonathan Gruber) admitted that the true costs were hidden because the American voter was too stupid to handle the truth, and the Democrats knew better. Similarly, Ben Rhodes admitted that the Iran deal was pushed through based on propaganda (lies ?). President Obama first announces he is legally unable to admit millions of illegal immigrants, and then announces he decided he can. The latest is that the EPA thinks it can dictate a huge move away from coal-based electricity generation to other forms of energy, based on an obscure paragraph of the original 1970 Clean Air Act. This is a huge change but don't worry, Obama says, he knows best.It is true Hillary is a better candidate, but we have no idea what she will do because she keeps changing her mind, consistently moving left.Yes, Trump will be a disaster, but it will only be a 4-year disaster, until we throw him out in 2020. Hillary will be an 8-year disaster. Let's choose the shorter-lived headache.
Many Trump supporters already know he doesn't tell the truth, doesn't know anything about the economy, or ISIS, or immigration. But we are just tired of the political correctness and double-speak of President Obama, Hillary, and likes of the NYTimes.The Obama administration reminds one of Animal Farm.The president went on for months about how "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", only to find out that not only was that complete nonsense, but that a primary architect of Obamacare (Jonathan Gruber) admitted that the true costs were hidden because the American voter was too stupid to handle the truth, and the Democrats knew better. Similarly, Ben Rhodes admitted that the Iran deal was pushed through based on propaganda (lies ?). President Obama first announces he is legally unable to admit millions of illegal immigrants, and then announces he decided he can. The latest is that the EPA thinks it can dictate a huge move away from coal-based electricity generation to other forms of energy, based on an obscure paragraph of the original 1970 Clean Air Act. This is a huge change but don't worry, Obama says, he knows best.It is true Hillary is a better candidate, but we have no idea what she will do because she keeps changing her mind, consistently moving left.Yes, Trump will be a disaster, but it will only be a 4-year disaster, until we throw him out in 2020. Hillary will be an 8-year disaster. Let's choose the shorter-lived headache.
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Very true...too bad most who are voting for Trump won't see it.
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Yet A disaster is about to happen, the gap is closing , voters are not paying attention to this monumental crises.
The fraud of a candidate is about to win the Election .
The fraud of a candidate is about to win the Election .
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Harping on Mr. Trump's dangerous views and shortcomings as Mrs. Clinton, the NYT, and many other media outlets have done for the past 18 months are falling on deaf ears for a sizable portion of the voting population. If they didn't, Mrs. Clinton would be leading by 20 points in every state of the union. The fact that she doesn't, shows that our elections have become a reality TV show and not the serious affair that they ought to be. Mr. Trump knows this and knows how to play it. Mrs. Clinton has yet to figure it out.
I pray that the "sizable portion of the voting population" with deaf ears doesn't become a plurality before November 8th; but I am beginning to have my doubts. I hope that I am wrong.
I pray that the "sizable portion of the voting population" with deaf ears doesn't become a plurality before November 8th; but I am beginning to have my doubts. I hope that I am wrong.
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The story is not Donald Trump. The story is the American electorate. The fact that Hillary and Trump are almost tied in the polls says it all. Thank you New York Times for laying bare what it will mean to elect this man. But we need to focus more on the people who support this man and why. Those people will not read the New York Times and will be unlikely to read this article. Hopefully those who might vote Stein may be influenced to vote Hillary. Have Americans suddenly gone stupid or have they been that way all along?
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When/if Trump becomes president, do not fear. The president of the US does not have the power the appointment would suggest. Big business runs the country, it has for decades now. The president has an effect indeed but many other parts of our extremely heavy government will keep him in check.
Donald Trump will be calmed and put in his place...in fact, become somewhat boring in comparison to who he is now.
In highly military times a country needs a bit of a tyrant. This is why the powers that truly run the country have put him where he is now. They, (we?), need him now to keep America the super power it is...or at least was, in the world. It's all part of the plan.
The voting public are just puppets controlled by the media. Do you really think that the "haves" in America would allow the "have nots" to truly have any control?
Think about it.
Donald Trump will be calmed and put in his place...in fact, become somewhat boring in comparison to who he is now.
In highly military times a country needs a bit of a tyrant. This is why the powers that truly run the country have put him where he is now. They, (we?), need him now to keep America the super power it is...or at least was, in the world. It's all part of the plan.
The voting public are just puppets controlled by the media. Do you really think that the "haves" in America would allow the "have nots" to truly have any control?
Think about it.
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Perhaps if the NY Times and other media elite outlets would drop the identity politics and quite referring to disenfranchised whites as "angry bigots" and "deplorables" while espousing the hardships of other demographics non-stop...the establishment would better understand Trump. He is simply a reaction to everything wrong in the current political correct climate. The fact millions upon millions of Americans are angry enough to look to him for a solution is only evidence of the status quo rot the other candidate represents. Trump as a political force only came out of an existent crisis. Most important, he is the first candidate to address the truth about regarding the threat of Islamic extremism and the dangerous ideology of sharia that is a genuine threat to the west, and ironically enough, everything liberals claim to hold dear. They truth is not always pretty, polished, or scrubbed over. Perhaps it will take a rabid ankle biter to bring down the global elites who are spinning this world out of control.
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The subject of Trump being President has been worn out by most opinionators. Any individual of average intelligence only has to read a page or two of Trump's opinions or listen to what he says on TV and there then should be no doubt: he is not the quality of leader that should lead this country. He is a laughable and uninformed individual who still lives in a comic-book environment and is continually bewildered by where he is and who he is.........
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So we're down to who's the most loathsome, a bit more than a month before the election! The two third party candidates "...won't draw flies!" as my dear departed great grandma would say in such a contest, so it's Hill and Don. Long may it wave - even with the philosophes in the various protest movements trying desparately to draw attention to themselves by sitting, kneeling, etc! Can cartwheels be far behind?
Although there is some truth in the arguments made by this editorial, Newspapers endorsing or opposing political candidates can no longer claim impartiality. Instead of presenting facts and letting people form their opinions, when those working at the media houses adopt this "we know better" attitude, they implicitly suggest that people who don't agree with them are stupid, and they have the moral obligation to "save" the ignorant masses. If this is not "elitist", what is?
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Everybody knows Trump shouldn't be President. The NYT itself published an article with interviews from conservative people from the Deep South not so long ago and they themselves admited Trump is nuts.
The problem is that HRC also shouldn't be President. She is in the pocket of Wall Street (she's a Senator for NY, enough said). Her connections with Goldman Sachs are very well known and documented. She is the architect of the disaster in Libya. She's already stated she wants to continue Bush's "another American Century" project (with full spectrum dominance and everything). She already stated she will invade Iran the moment she seats in the Oval Office. She uses frequently nationalist vocabulary, which she probably learned with Albright during Bill's time (America is the exceptional, indispensable nation etc.). She's not known for telling the truth. She's a very good liar. Her fight for women and blacks rights during her youth are, let's put it this way, very dubious. She doesn't have a credible plan to get the economy better.
Had the Dems chose Bernie Sanders, there wouldn't be this problem: as polls indicated, he would easily rout Trump. But the establishment chose to take the risk of electing Trump than putting a socialist in the White House.
The problem is that HRC also shouldn't be President. She is in the pocket of Wall Street (she's a Senator for NY, enough said). Her connections with Goldman Sachs are very well known and documented. She is the architect of the disaster in Libya. She's already stated she wants to continue Bush's "another American Century" project (with full spectrum dominance and everything). She already stated she will invade Iran the moment she seats in the Oval Office. She uses frequently nationalist vocabulary, which she probably learned with Albright during Bill's time (America is the exceptional, indispensable nation etc.). She's not known for telling the truth. She's a very good liar. Her fight for women and blacks rights during her youth are, let's put it this way, very dubious. She doesn't have a credible plan to get the economy better.
Had the Dems chose Bernie Sanders, there wouldn't be this problem: as polls indicated, he would easily rout Trump. But the establishment chose to take the risk of electing Trump than putting a socialist in the White House.
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He's NOT a "refreshing counterpolitician." He's a dangerous sociopath, who has been known to ruin those who engage with him. Now, he wants to do the same thing the the entire country. It makes me shudder. I'll take the vast experience of a mentally healthy, known quantity, Hillary Clinton.
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Here is the problem:
Mr. Trump told the truth early on :"if i shoot someone on 5th ave, the people will still vote for me!"
Everything written here is true, and the voters do not care ! Those that support him are either Hillary haters, party loyalists, or bigots. There is no justification for voting for this man, and every Republican knows it.
However, when Senator Cruz is willing to support Trump, that speaks volumes to those who put party first.
I hope Hillary has a great night, or we are in big trouble in this country.
Mr. Trump told the truth early on :"if i shoot someone on 5th ave, the people will still vote for me!"
Everything written here is true, and the voters do not care ! Those that support him are either Hillary haters, party loyalists, or bigots. There is no justification for voting for this man, and every Republican knows it.
However, when Senator Cruz is willing to support Trump, that speaks volumes to those who put party first.
I hope Hillary has a great night, or we are in big trouble in this country.
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YES - Donald Trump is very, very bad and it will be very, very bad if he gets elected. And we need to look at the fact that he should be EASILY beaten by a Democrat because of how bad he is. Unfortunately the Democrat running against him is running what appears to be a lousy campaign. While some on the Democrat end are understandably frustrated with the Clinton campaign, shouldn't the real frustration be directed at the DNC? They were the ones who decided Clinton was going to be the nominee (showing a fair degree of ignorance around the public's distrust of her), undermined the Sanders campaign to make Clinton the nominee (despite data that said he would fare better against Trump), and now are handling Trump's rise in the polls with a "We don't understand how this could be happening?!" response.
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Hillary Clinton was investigated eight times by the House over Benghazi, which led to the discovery of her email server. A fact of life for past Sec of States.
Bill and Hillary Clinton went thru a gauntlet of investigations and Special Prosecutors over Whitewater, Travel-gate, Christmas card-gate, and ended up with an Impeachment over 'lying' about sex with an intern.
Meanwhile, where were the investigations on WMD's and the Iraq War? Karl Rove deletion of millions of emails? Dick Cheney's secret meetings with oil execs in 2001? And all the top executives who parachuted out of the wreckage of the Financial industry?
The Clinton's have been the most investigated couple in history. They blow their noses the wrong way and there is an investigation. Ah yes, pneumonia-gate?
And we all wonder why Trump is looked on as more 'trust worthy'?! Why this con man may be President?
Bill and Hillary Clinton went thru a gauntlet of investigations and Special Prosecutors over Whitewater, Travel-gate, Christmas card-gate, and ended up with an Impeachment over 'lying' about sex with an intern.
Meanwhile, where were the investigations on WMD's and the Iraq War? Karl Rove deletion of millions of emails? Dick Cheney's secret meetings with oil execs in 2001? And all the top executives who parachuted out of the wreckage of the Financial industry?
The Clinton's have been the most investigated couple in history. They blow their noses the wrong way and there is an investigation. Ah yes, pneumonia-gate?
And we all wonder why Trump is looked on as more 'trust worthy'?! Why this con man may be President?
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My only comfort is to hope that if Trump is elected, God forbid, he will be soon impeached. His first wrong move won't take any time at all.
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The fate of our nation lays in the hands of Lester Holt. May he be indefatigable in pursuit of a coherent response from Trump.
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Trump hates our Constitution and disputes rule of law. Next!
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Many, many Americans apparently have no interest in policy or character. Time and time again they've shown that they will vote for the most charismatic candidate - the one they like the most, the one that tells them what they want to hear.
The fact that Donald Trump is pathological liar, that he has put forth crazy proposal after crazy proposal, that the rich will win out under him, that he will turn back the clock on climate change, that he will build a wall that most Americans don't want, that he will cause trade wars that will probably wreck our economy plus the fact that he's a bully to boot doesn't seem to matter.
One wonders how our country ever got to be the most powerful in the world.....
The fact that Donald Trump is pathological liar, that he has put forth crazy proposal after crazy proposal, that the rich will win out under him, that he will turn back the clock on climate change, that he will build a wall that most Americans don't want, that he will cause trade wars that will probably wreck our economy plus the fact that he's a bully to boot doesn't seem to matter.
One wonders how our country ever got to be the most powerful in the world.....
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Let me add that the Times might refer to the "Peter Principle":
"In a hierarchy,
an individual tends to rise to his level of incompetency."
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Trump has risen to his level of incompetency. Having never served in government, before, he lacks the experience and record to function as the nation's highest executive. period.
Trump is running a brilliant campaign, but that does not qualify him to be a competent president.
Perhaps he can run for a lower office, or become a FOX NEWS commentator and critics. His criticisms may have great merit in helping the nation to change and grow. He has already changed the course of the nation and he will go down in history...
"In a hierarchy,
an individual tends to rise to his level of incompetency."
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Trump has risen to his level of incompetency. Having never served in government, before, he lacks the experience and record to function as the nation's highest executive. period.
Trump is running a brilliant campaign, but that does not qualify him to be a competent president.
Perhaps he can run for a lower office, or become a FOX NEWS commentator and critics. His criticisms may have great merit in helping the nation to change and grow. He has already changed the course of the nation and he will go down in history...
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There is not much else to say except that people deserve the government they choose. There is certainly a possibility that America may become Germany of the 1930s and 1940s, a land of the Aryan nation. Hitler may be digging his grave to come out again
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Driving to work this morning, I was listening to Morning Edition on MPR (Minnesota Public Radio) where interviews with voters were being broadcast. I was lucky enough to catch one gentleman who described how, should Hillary Clinton win the election, the "patriots" will overthrow the government. He went on to explain how he and his family were joining a militia so they could "be prepared" when the civil war started.
I suppose we heard that, too, when President Obama was first running, but there is now a not so subtle difference: this time, one side is quietly endorsing the idea of a coup d'état. I've read enough commentary in a variety of places to raise my level of concern, but then I think, "ah, social media." But those voices are loud and strident and the Trump machine fuels that mania.
Sane folk realize that POTUS has little "absolute" power and without a supportive congress, can do little or nothing. Can a Trump presidency dissolve Congress? Gee, I hope not. But he would try and that is a danger to us all.
The anger in this country may be palpable, but I am hoping against hope that the Constitution will ultimately protect We, the People, from insurrection.
http://wifelyperson.blogspot.com/
I suppose we heard that, too, when President Obama was first running, but there is now a not so subtle difference: this time, one side is quietly endorsing the idea of a coup d'état. I've read enough commentary in a variety of places to raise my level of concern, but then I think, "ah, social media." But those voices are loud and strident and the Trump machine fuels that mania.
Sane folk realize that POTUS has little "absolute" power and without a supportive congress, can do little or nothing. Can a Trump presidency dissolve Congress? Gee, I hope not. But he would try and that is a danger to us all.
The anger in this country may be palpable, but I am hoping against hope that the Constitution will ultimately protect We, the People, from insurrection.
http://wifelyperson.blogspot.com/
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I think he is in major debt, likely to someone unsavoury, perhaps a Russian oligarch?
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The very fact that Trump is receiving the support he is, despite his myriad disqualifications for the presidency says something very, very bad about our country. Whether he wins or loses, our country is sick.
Fine, I get it. Some of you hate Hillary Clinton. Well, I am not much of a fan of her either, but that doesn't mean you should vote to destroy the country. Do you set fire to your lawn when you see some crabgrass by the patio?
Fine, I get it. Some of you hate Hillary Clinton. Well, I am not much of a fan of her either, but that doesn't mean you should vote to destroy the country. Do you set fire to your lawn when you see some crabgrass by the patio?
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The despairing people who are unemployed, underpaid, and left behind seem to feel they have no choice but to blow everything up.
My impulse is to try to reason with them, too. Or shake some sense into them that this would make their hurt worse. But neither seems to help. He's a national temper tantrum.
My impulse is to try to reason with them, too. Or shake some sense into them that this would make their hurt worse. But neither seems to help. He's a national temper tantrum.
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Donald IS Trump University.
A "good businessman" doesn't make good, profitable, quality businesses and then, suddenly, out of nowhere, produce such a shoddy, mendacious, value-free, thieving one. Trump backed the fraudulent enterprise; he shilled for it; he knew it didn't "teach his secrets" and he knew he was lying about virtually every aspect of it, from the title "university" on down.
We don't know a lot about his other businesses, but we do know a lot about this one. Let me repeat Maya Angelou's warning (approximately): "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
A "good businessman" doesn't make good, profitable, quality businesses and then, suddenly, out of nowhere, produce such a shoddy, mendacious, value-free, thieving one. Trump backed the fraudulent enterprise; he shilled for it; he knew it didn't "teach his secrets" and he knew he was lying about virtually every aspect of it, from the title "university" on down.
We don't know a lot about his other businesses, but we do know a lot about this one. Let me repeat Maya Angelou's warning (approximately): "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
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I wonder if we would become like Mexico, what with so many Americans illegal immigrating to Canada after a Trump election? Maybe they will build a wall on their southern border? I mean think about it, we can't all just show up in Canada.
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Trump a change agent? Trump represents change in the same way that death does.
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To paraphrase the late James Thurber, "It's a naive, domestic fascism without any breeding, but I think you'll be horrified by its assumptions."
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Blessings to the editors of the New York Times. Let's keep it pumping. Thank you.
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Hillary is a criminal- Hillary will allow unvetted or poorly vetted refugees into the country- she promises- that will destroy the country. She is above the law- what does that make the rest of the citizens of the country? The choice is obvious if you have ANY love for America!
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Truth in advertising would make the Trump campaign motto, "Vote your Id!" And even that would be an undeserved compliment. This is the election that may be determined by all the aging 9-year olds who longed to answer "Yes" to the question, "If your friend jumped off the Empire State Building, would you?"
I guess that would make Hillary's campaign motto, "Don't jump!"
I guess that would make Hillary's campaign motto, "Don't jump!"
THE SHAMEFUL Republicans have fallen so low they now have a reprobate like Trump heading their party. GOP have made a concerted effort to block any legislation that would benefit the American people, that while they released funding for the Louisiana flood victims, they did not release funding for Flint Michigans bad water problem. I think it’s because LA is republican and Flint is Democrat, but that’s my opinion, seems reasonable to assume as the GOP hasn’t done their job during the Obama presidency, blocking his legislation on everything or adding their hateful agenda to bills making them less effective. They’re anti LGBT, anti planned parenthood, against improving education for minorities, and have tried passing voting restriction legislation to prevent/restrict minorities from voting in the majority of states. That along with gerrymandering have made them the most reviled bunch of people in the US government today! We all know that Trump represents and embraces the very racist ideals of the once “Grand Old Party”(GOP) that all republicans who are now falling in behind Trump have no integrity, who by and large are just like Trump in their worldview, that it’s hard to recognize the once bright conservative, college educated, right wing as they once were. None if them deserve to be in power this election VOTE BLUE up and down ticket!
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Why not wait until the debates are over, so that everyone has more complete information and insights into both candidates?
So basically Mr. Trump has similar qualifications to Mr. Obama when he took office.
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Given how deplorable both candidates are it's time America took a real look third party candidates. Let's not keep ourselves tied to the same corrupt two-party system that has done nothing but widen the wealth gap and enrich the beltway-bandits.
Never Trump. Never Hillary.
Never Trump. Never Hillary.
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I don't see the point in watching the debate listening to factless Trump continue to insult the intelligence of his followers with a smirk. The video of the people you see at his hate-fest are the kind of people he personally would have nothing to do with yet they continue to follow him. Nothing in his rhetoric of policy changes will ever benefit any of them.
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The most important aspect of tonight's presidential debate appears to be fact checking. Who will decide if Clinton or Trump are telling the truth? The public? The moderators? Both groups are formed by human beings, owners of preconceived opinions, decision-making beliefs and accumulated biases.
I am partial to non-humans.
Let's bring back Watson, the IBM super-computer who won an ABC television "Jeopardy" game against two human champions. The electronic genius had most correct answers in split seconds. All we have to do is place neutral Watson between the 2 White House contenders and, after each democratic or republican reply, the mechanical device will announce clearly to the world if the reply is TRUE or FALSE.
It will bring reality, truth, sincerity and an entertainment angle to debates.
I am partial to non-humans.
Let's bring back Watson, the IBM super-computer who won an ABC television "Jeopardy" game against two human champions. The electronic genius had most correct answers in split seconds. All we have to do is place neutral Watson between the 2 White House contenders and, after each democratic or republican reply, the mechanical device will announce clearly to the world if the reply is TRUE or FALSE.
It will bring reality, truth, sincerity and an entertainment angle to debates.
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It is very frightening that Trump has come this far.
The basket of foolables that support him are putting our country at risk. They seem to want a dictator who is ignorant and heavy handed.
The basket of foolables that support him are putting our country at risk. They seem to want a dictator who is ignorant and heavy handed.
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I am at a crossroads. Do I vote for a third party candidate as a protest against this two party system or do I vote for one of the two major candidate and validate the rigged status quo? Do I vote for Trump and hope that he will be neutralized by the Democrats and his own party or do I vote for the Clintan clan and watch them run the government like a personal playground for the next quarter century? First Hillary for 8 years (with Chelsae running for a senate seat in NY) then 8 years with Chelsae as president with Charlotte running for a senate seat in NY. Then 8 years of Charlotte as president. And so on and so on.
I'm gonna go with Trump and hope he doesn't do too much damage. After all, it's just four years.
We have to de-Clintonize the Democratic Party and give it back to the people!
I'm gonna go with Trump and hope he doesn't do too much damage. After all, it's just four years.
We have to de-Clintonize the Democratic Party and give it back to the people!
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The Editorial Board has spoken only half of the truth: of course Trump should not be President, but neither should Hillary Clinton.
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This editorial reminds me of the editorial written a few years ago where the New York Times recognized its faulty coverage of the "weapons of mass destruction/Iraq war" affair.
In this case, it seems that the New York Times is trying to compensate for all the free coverage granted to Donald Trump even though most of what he has said and done is horrible, to say the least.
It looks to me that the press decided early on that the best way to sell newspapers was to portrait this presidential race as a competition between two unsavory candidates and keep the readers’ attention to the very end. An early dismissal of Trump for what he really is –a charlatan- would have been bad for business. It is impossible that the press could have missed the true character of Donald Trump. I guess they thought “this buffoon cannot possibly be elected president so what’s wrong with a little bit of controversy to push sales”.
But now the monster has a life of its own. To late New York Times to stop it with words. Let’s pray we can stop it with votes.
In this case, it seems that the New York Times is trying to compensate for all the free coverage granted to Donald Trump even though most of what he has said and done is horrible, to say the least.
It looks to me that the press decided early on that the best way to sell newspapers was to portrait this presidential race as a competition between two unsavory candidates and keep the readers’ attention to the very end. An early dismissal of Trump for what he really is –a charlatan- would have been bad for business. It is impossible that the press could have missed the true character of Donald Trump. I guess they thought “this buffoon cannot possibly be elected president so what’s wrong with a little bit of controversy to push sales”.
But now the monster has a life of its own. To late New York Times to stop it with words. Let’s pray we can stop it with votes.
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People find The Donald entertaining now, and let him get away with things they would never have tolerated from e.g. Jeb or Rubio or Kasich even today. But once he takes office his shtick is going to look very tiresome, even aside from the fallout described so well here. People complaining about Hillary's lies are going to wish they had her stability. But some Americans may have to learn the hard way.
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I know all of what you write about Donald Trump is true, and I only skimmed the editorial. But, when you look at the alternative....Hillary Clinton, you see see why I have a head full of quandary. I know that I will vote, early and often, but I for one am getting very tired of this "lesser of two evils" approach. It is not working.
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The main problem is that we're all talking to each other in this NYT/ WP/Guardian/ MSNBC/ and we all agree Donald Trump, the repugnant candidate, would be a catastrophe for the is United States if elected to the position of President of said United States.
We know this for all the stated reasons and for many as yet unearthed facts, and because DT is a disturbed manipulative liar. BUT, his followers don't know this, have very limited imagination of the horrendous outcomes of his presidency, or are so willfully stupid that for some reason they don't care.
DT has given them permission to be more racist, and extreme, and they are loving it! It's a show, the Presidency has become a show. Real things, real consequences don't exist for them. When DT becomes President and their lives are not changed for the better, (like the Brexit voters) they'll be hand wringing and questions of "when will this show end, when can we turn it off". Until his followers are convinced of his intent to deceive nothing will change in their perceptions of him. So what are we, the bubble talkers to do? Besides vote that is.
See "Post-truth politics in the age of social media" The Economist September 10-16th 2016.
We know this for all the stated reasons and for many as yet unearthed facts, and because DT is a disturbed manipulative liar. BUT, his followers don't know this, have very limited imagination of the horrendous outcomes of his presidency, or are so willfully stupid that for some reason they don't care.
DT has given them permission to be more racist, and extreme, and they are loving it! It's a show, the Presidency has become a show. Real things, real consequences don't exist for them. When DT becomes President and their lives are not changed for the better, (like the Brexit voters) they'll be hand wringing and questions of "when will this show end, when can we turn it off". Until his followers are convinced of his intent to deceive nothing will change in their perceptions of him. So what are we, the bubble talkers to do? Besides vote that is.
See "Post-truth politics in the age of social media" The Economist September 10-16th 2016.
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I'm not interested in Mr. Trump's tax returns. He filed them as a private citizen, not a paid politician (like Clinton). What about that doesn't NYT and other establishment factions understand? You want to know how much Trump is really worth? Why? I don't care if he's worth $1 billion or ten. The pursuit of Mr. Trump's tax returns is strictly a gotcha venture...and I don't care.
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I feel bad for the Times' editorial board for having to compose a rational, fact-based argument about the shortcomings of an irrational, fact-challenged con man. They've earned a long shower.
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As many have noted on twitter, perhaps the best metaphor for the 2016 election is iPhone 7 vs Galaxy Note 7: sure, one doesn't have a headphone jack, but the other explodes in flames and will crash the plane.
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The same old laundry list of criticisms. Most supporters know his limitations. Not sure whom the Editorial Board is trying to convince. More likely it is trying to rationalize its support for Clinton.
Trump supporters know there will be a steep learning curve. They believe he will climb it because he's smart enough to do so. They know he exaggerates. They know he talks tough and can be crude.
What the Times' Editorial Board and critics don't understand is what they DO like about him. They like that he's unscripted. That he says what he means. Straight talking is non-existent in DC. They love that he has a track record of working hard and delivering. He's also extremely funny. The soundbites and selected cuts that most people see from his rallies don't do justice to his enjoyable stage presence. People love him. For a reason.
Trump's supporters aren't interested in hiring a political hack to be president. They don't want someone who will go in and blend into the wallpaper because that's all he or she has ever known and done. They want to hire -- yes, hire -- someone to get a job done. They want someone who can execute and make things happen.
When it comes to getting things done, politicians aren't all that impressive. They see a chance at results. Can't blame them for wanting to grab it.
Trump supporters know there will be a steep learning curve. They believe he will climb it because he's smart enough to do so. They know he exaggerates. They know he talks tough and can be crude.
What the Times' Editorial Board and critics don't understand is what they DO like about him. They like that he's unscripted. That he says what he means. Straight talking is non-existent in DC. They love that he has a track record of working hard and delivering. He's also extremely funny. The soundbites and selected cuts that most people see from his rallies don't do justice to his enjoyable stage presence. People love him. For a reason.
Trump's supporters aren't interested in hiring a political hack to be president. They don't want someone who will go in and blend into the wallpaper because that's all he or she has ever known and done. They want to hire -- yes, hire -- someone to get a job done. They want someone who can execute and make things happen.
When it comes to getting things done, politicians aren't all that impressive. They see a chance at results. Can't blame them for wanting to grab it.
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There is only one reason this race is close: Kellyanne Conway told Donald to stop talking and start reading the script she wrote for him. Trump is the most dangerous man in America; Conway is the most dangerous woman.
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Mr. Trump's business philosophy seems to be "don't worry if it doesn't work: you can always declare bankruptcy, leave your creditors holding the tab, and start over." That may work for real estate and casinos, but the US government can't declare bankruptcy and start over!
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I so wish you had written and published this editorial a year ago. I have not understood why Trump's multiple bankruptcies didn't get the kind of repeated mantras that Sec. Clinton's emails did. You didn't need another year of his lies to build a case. It was there at the beginning of the primary season. Why did you wait until now?
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The citizens who are most likely to vote for Trump, the ones who most need to receive the message in this editorial, are also not likely readers of the New York Times. They watch TV. How I wish there were a massive creative and entertaining TV campaign to get these messages to the people who most need to hear them.
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Pretty much, this election is a choice between Nixon or Mussolini. I'm going with Nixon.
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For this election, Election Day should be moved up to coincide with Halloween because it will be very scary and we should all be very afraid.
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Some commenters want to quibble with this editorial but, seriously. just imagine what it would really be like if Trump was the President of the United States.
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As I said before, if Trump does get elected, we can't blame the New York Times.
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Trump has already caused immense damage to the country. He has unleashed a torrent of hatred, misogyny, and racism among people. He has already been a great divider. He has already succeeded as a lying demagogue. We cannot let him legitimize this by being elected. Even if we defeat him, as we must, I fear it's going to take us a long time to make America great again and heal from the damage already wrought by his campaign.
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My reading of the polls is that the increase in popularity of Trump is due to the distrust of Clinton - She is being held to a much higher standard than Trump, not fair to be sure, but never the less a fact of life. Both Margaret Thatcher ( Iron lady) and Angela Merkle are testament as to who wore or wears the trousers in their respective countries!
The Editorial Board can rail away as it chooses about Trump--forgetting the disaster Bill Clinton brought to the nation by killing Glass-Steagall (Trumps wants to bring it back) and the madness Bush-Cheney created unequalled since Johnson's Vietnam--blind to see that Clinton is the Washington Medusa from Little Rock. Always seems to be a new lie popping out of that head of hers that has to be dealt with--extortion, dead Americans, basement server, pay-to-play, dehydration, and more.
Perhaps the Perseus Donald will show up, for she, without question, is the most delusional presidential candidate since Nixon and most dangerous since Bush-Cheney--just two of many he'll have to deal with tonight.
Perhaps the Perseus Donald will show up, for she, without question, is the most delusional presidential candidate since Nixon and most dangerous since Bush-Cheney--just two of many he'll have to deal with tonight.
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A truly odious man. The Prince of Pelf. The High Priest of Social Unrest. The Master of the Art of the Bogus Deal. The King of the Carnival Barkers. The Head Poobah of Lawsuits and Bankruptcy Filings. Mr. Unreal of Reality TV.
Who now appears to be on the very edge of succeeding.
If the churches, synagogues and mosques of this country are not open tonight, they should be.
If they aren't full of parents praying for their children and this country, they should be.
Who now appears to be on the very edge of succeeding.
If the churches, synagogues and mosques of this country are not open tonight, they should be.
If they aren't full of parents praying for their children and this country, they should be.
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These comments will fall on deaf ears as those planning to vote for Trump have already processed and rationalized this incredible laundry list of disqualifying faults.
The electorate, this cycle, more than at any other time in our history, is proving H.L. Mencken's cynical disparaging view of the average voter.
The electorate, this cycle, more than at any other time in our history, is proving H.L. Mencken's cynical disparaging view of the average voter.
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Trump has come up with a truly new idea for the United States, borrowed from Russia. A part time presidency for Trump while he operates his own family for profit business, where government policy perfectly aligns with Trump’s own financial interests.
When challenged about this idea, which would apparently be legal, Trump said that he needs no blind trust as his son Trump Jr., will be running the family business. When asked about this Trump Jr. said “trust me.”
Which brings me to a guiding Trump principle which stand the test of time, about how to seize power: Frightened and angry mobs don’t think. This goes hand in hand with his philosophy on how to run a profitable business, borrowed from WC Fields “never give a sucker an even break.”
When challenged about this idea, which would apparently be legal, Trump said that he needs no blind trust as his son Trump Jr., will be running the family business. When asked about this Trump Jr. said “trust me.”
Which brings me to a guiding Trump principle which stand the test of time, about how to seize power: Frightened and angry mobs don’t think. This goes hand in hand with his philosophy on how to run a profitable business, borrowed from WC Fields “never give a sucker an even break.”
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If Donald Trump becomes president of my United States of America, I predict I will have trouble believing one word that comes out of his mouth.
He will either be a loose cannon and shoot off his mouth, or he will be a ventriloquist's dummy, with a host of puppeteers moving his mouth.
I simply will not believe him. He will not tell the truth.
He will either be a loose cannon and shoot off his mouth, or he will be a ventriloquist's dummy, with a host of puppeteers moving his mouth.
I simply will not believe him. He will not tell the truth.
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Sadly, I agree with other commenters that most will not read this indictment.
One only needs to look at the Republican leadership in Congress for an explanation of why, despite all the damning moments throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump is so close to the White House. The House Speaker said his comments about the Indiana judge of Mexican heritage were "textbook racism." Where were the senators outraged after he sullied Senator John McCain and his genuine reputation as a war hero? Questioning the President's birthplace or loosely talking about the assassination of Mrs. Clinton; anyone offended ? On and on it goes. Their best reason, ABH: anything but Hillary. They set the example for their electorate.
On November 9, if Mr. Trump is president-elect, I wonder how they think they will work with him. How will they heal this nation? If he is not president-elect, again I ask, how will they heal this nation? They did not lead during the campaign and they will have no credibility afterward.
One only needs to look at the Republican leadership in Congress for an explanation of why, despite all the damning moments throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump is so close to the White House. The House Speaker said his comments about the Indiana judge of Mexican heritage were "textbook racism." Where were the senators outraged after he sullied Senator John McCain and his genuine reputation as a war hero? Questioning the President's birthplace or loosely talking about the assassination of Mrs. Clinton; anyone offended ? On and on it goes. Their best reason, ABH: anything but Hillary. They set the example for their electorate.
On November 9, if Mr. Trump is president-elect, I wonder how they think they will work with him. How will they heal this nation? If he is not president-elect, again I ask, how will they heal this nation? They did not lead during the campaign and they will have no credibility afterward.
As someone who entered the world of Evangelicals in 1973 and exited it officially in 2016 (after polls revealed 80 percent of white Evangelicals backed Trump), this article resonates on every point. Christ's Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5) and warnings to hard-hearted followers (Matthew 25) haunt me as I ponder what the white tribalists using his name so freely are up to these days. Oh, I still believe. But I will not align myself with people who hate in Jesus name... who hated our first black President no matter what he did and labeled him a "Kenyan" or "Muslim" or whatever other dog-whistle word came to mind. We are in the midst of the white people supernova -- the giant outward flash of that dying star of privilege mistakenly called "white Christian America." For God's sake, vote for Hillary.
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Trump's candidacy has inevitably raised comparisons with the rise of fascism that threatened to turn the 20th century into a new Dark Age. The parallels between his demagoguery and that of Adolf Hitler have been persuasively aired, notably in the Washington Post. I realize that throwing Hitler's name around has become a cliche - and usually not a helpful one. But the Times' catalogue of Trump's shortcomings and the sour mood of today's electorate should at least have reminded voters how uncannily this moment in our political history recalls the forces hat catapulted Mussolini and Hitler to their devastating victories. As Sinclair Lewis argued in his 1936 novel "It Can't Happen Here," our country is indeed capable of producing a homegrown dictatorship. It CAN happen here.
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Hopefully there's a list of important incontrovertible untruths Lester Holt can rely on during the debate. Trump must pay with votes for all the lying.
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The media has done a very poor job of portraying Trump as who he is, and I am fearful that without fact checking and being called out continuously as the liar he is, it will be too little too late.
While the media is part of the problem, the other problem is universal suffrage. Many people simply are not smart enough to be trusted with something as important as voting. The typical American is incredibly stupid, and their right to vote is one of the great threats to the world.
While the media is part of the problem, the other problem is universal suffrage. Many people simply are not smart enough to be trusted with something as important as voting. The typical American is incredibly stupid, and their right to vote is one of the great threats to the world.
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I'm so glad you did this.
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The dye is cast. Something transformational has to occur to cause clueless Americans to wake up and smell the Kool Aid. "Some people are saying" that Trump supporters not only don't read NYT editorials, but haven't been following the campaign dialogue at all. They are likely to be part of the projected 100 million viewers of the Big Debate. After all, Reality TV's favorite son headlines. Maybe he will perform enough belly flops to penetrate some of the hard heads. I can dream, can't I? If after tonight Trumpers still won't budge, then they will magically get their president of change. Abracadabra -- we're no longer that exceptional country.
Both parties have ignored working Americans for too long. This is a lousy choice and HRC is no better equipped than Trump to address the concerns of most Americans.
A vote for a third party, Johnson or Stein, can send a message that this must stop. At least that's how I see it. Your pandering editorial on Clinton and this hatchet piece on Trump, while accurate, does nothing to address this issue.
A vote for a third party, Johnson or Stein, can send a message that this must stop. At least that's how I see it. Your pandering editorial on Clinton and this hatchet piece on Trump, while accurate, does nothing to address this issue.
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I agree with everything in the article. I just find Hilary worse.
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At the core of this travesty, one still has to ask how Americans could be so ignorant, uncaring and bigoted. I wish the Skittle that was pulled out was emblazoned "TRUMP" on it so we can remember the one who should have been forgotten from the very moment he began this ludicrous campaign.
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I do not think Donald Trump should be elected POTUS. I will, however, try to explain to NYT readers why so many of our fellow Americans are going to vote for him. The GOP AND Democratic establishment have lied for so many years and used specious arguments and court rulings to advance a social and economic agenda that has simply left too many Americans behind economically while trampling on their sincerely held beliefs about social issues like abortion on demand, same-sex marriage and affirmative action, just to name a few. More specifically, GOP leaders have lied to our faces about supporting conservative ideals and then gone to Washington and voted otherwise. While many of us live paycheck to paycheck they live in gated communities, send their children to the best schools and exempt themselves from the laws the rest of us have to follow. At least the Democrats are up front about their agenda to change America to an activist federal government run society. Republicans are not voting FOR Trump; they understand that the system IS rigged and want someone to bring down the walls of the temple on the heads of the Establishment. This is extremely counter productive but I understand the mindset. I fear for the future of our republic
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The strongest reason to oppose Trump's candidacy is the danger he presents to our democracy. It's never been tested this way. I've heard pundits say, "no worries, we have checks and balances". But how do we know that those checks and balances will be strong enough to counter Trump's disregard for the rule of law? The U.S. is a country of laws, not of men; that's what distinguished us. But Trump doesn't respect laws, and he has already said that if he is president he will go after journalists "who aren't fair" to him. Even if we were to survive a test of our democracy, it would be a destabilizing process, maybe taking as long as 50 years to crawl out of. As strongly worded as this editorial is, I don't believe you (NYT) have addressed the strongest danger Trump poses.
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although my experiences w/ the man during the construction of the gold-plated manhattan tower that bares his make me far more critical, and wanting to see a more harsh set of descriptive words about him and his business related antics than any article, in any reputable newspaper would ever allow to be printed, you folks did a fair jobs of synopsis.
my question is - why did it take you so long?
my question is - why did it take you so long?
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Have you seen some of his supporters being interviewed? If it wasn't so frightening, it would be funny. These people believe anything Trump says. His remark about shooting someone on 5th Avenue and not losing any voters, is true. It is terrifying and sad at the same time. They are so desperate. they will vote for this charlatan.
Their hatred for Obama and Hillary Clinton is incredible. You have to ask yourself, why? Nobody's perfect but I do think that everything that Obama has done, was done for the right reasons - to help the country. I will always think this way. I wish with all my heart that Trump's supporters will see him for what he is and change their minds before November 8th.
Their hatred for Obama and Hillary Clinton is incredible. You have to ask yourself, why? Nobody's perfect but I do think that everything that Obama has done, was done for the right reasons - to help the country. I will always think this way. I wish with all my heart that Trump's supporters will see him for what he is and change their minds before November 8th.
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The Trump phenomenon reminds me of the anecdote (unverified) about the two British Peers bemoaning the twilight of the British Empire at the turn of the Century and one of the responds to the other:"but my dear Lord, what do you expect? The Empire is ruled by the King, who is told what to do by his ministers, who are chosen by Parliament, who is elected by people who can barely read or write!
If we elect Donald Trump we will disgrace this Nation and wreak havoc upon the entire world.
If we elect Donald Trump we will disgrace this Nation and wreak havoc upon the entire world.
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When a candidate refuses to show his tax returns, voters should assume the worst about his finances, and vote against him.
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An honest editorial would say that Donald Trump should not be president because the elite in the world have it really great and he could change that and that would be hard.
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With his Supreme Court list of judges and the selection of Mike Pence for VP, Trump has sold every woman out and has auctioned off our autonomy.
This is how he negotiates. He will choose Americas winners and losers. So pay attention
If Trump wins, women lose
This is how he negotiates. He will choose Americas winners and losers. So pay attention
If Trump wins, women lose
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People want change and Trump appears to be that unfortunately...
Many in this string this morning recognize that many people are not aware of what Trump offers and what he is hiding and what we already know about him. Many people don't read the fine print when it comes to this snake oil salesman.
They are willing to trust him despite all the narcissism, misogyny, and appealing to people's fears.
If they elect him or vote for a 3rd party because they cannot bring themselves to vote for Hillary, they deserve all that they get...casino finances, voter suppression restricting minorities, restrictions on reproductive rights and more war in the mideast and in Europe....not to mention turning back the clock on race relations.
Simplistic thinking and execution caused our endless involvement in the mideast and caused a meltdown of our economy which we still have not fully recovered...this is who Trump is.
If Trump is elected by the con he is trying to sell...we have only ourselves to blame!
Many in this string this morning recognize that many people are not aware of what Trump offers and what he is hiding and what we already know about him. Many people don't read the fine print when it comes to this snake oil salesman.
They are willing to trust him despite all the narcissism, misogyny, and appealing to people's fears.
If they elect him or vote for a 3rd party because they cannot bring themselves to vote for Hillary, they deserve all that they get...casino finances, voter suppression restricting minorities, restrictions on reproductive rights and more war in the mideast and in Europe....not to mention turning back the clock on race relations.
Simplistic thinking and execution caused our endless involvement in the mideast and caused a meltdown of our economy which we still have not fully recovered...this is who Trump is.
If Trump is elected by the con he is trying to sell...we have only ourselves to blame!
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American public policy that gives credence to adhering to beliefs in defiance of facts and reason creates an ungovernable public with a death wish.
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I had a discussion this weekend with a college educated friend who was going to vote for Trump and tried in vain to dissuade him, citing some of the reasons stated here. He promptly dismissed them as coming from "liberal" sources such as the Washington Post, The New York Times, The Economist, etc. How can one discuss issues with somebody that rejects in part and parcel sources of news with paid and trained reporters in favor of Fox News talking heads and like-minded bloggers? Thanks for repeatedly laying out the case against Trump but it seems half your audience just isn't paying attention. Actually, it appears that a certain percentage have given up on reading in general.
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I agree 100 percent with NYT that Don should never be the president. He is dangerous for America and the world. He is dangerous for peace and humanity. He is dangerous for environment and the planet. He is dangerous for African American, Hispanics, Muslims and other minorities. He is dangerous for women. He is dangerous for poor people in America. He will ruin the economy and destabilize the world economy. He is a good friend of Putin, dangerous for our security. Finally he is dangerous for the Republican Party, he will destroy it. Who wants a clown in our White House?
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On Sept 11, 2001, after the towers collapsed, Donald Trump called into a NYC TV station to brag that he now owned the tallest building in lower Manhattan (http://www.politico.com/video/2016/09/donald-trump-says-his-building-is-.... What more do you need to know about the man? The fact that millions of Americans support this pathetic excuse for a human being is a national disgrace.
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The recommendation would be more persuasive if it were not so predictable. The NYT chart seems to indicate that regardless of merit the endorsed nominee will always be a Democrat. It would be more persuasive if the lesser-of-two-evils comparison were more specific and suggestions made as to how to protect the country from the flaws of their endorsee once she is elected. Perhaps you might mention the constructive role the NYT has played in keeping track of the email server problem, and undertake to be particularly attentive after she is elected. That would help me feel better, although I will in any event vote for her because Trump is too scary and her flaws were present in a number of candidates on your list of endorsees. We survived those flaws in the past and seem to know how to do so. We have not yet tried to survive a nut case like Trump.
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Not all that long ago, the voters in Minnesota, looking for change, voted in a new celebrity, albeit inexperienced governor who was not a politician but who spoke his mind talking in everyman's dialect. Jesse Ventura was anticipated to be a solution to the ever-increasing dishonesty of professional politicians. In spite of the fact that Mr. Ventura was far more honest, less racist, more mentally stable and more of a pragmatist than Mr. Trump, he failed miserably because he was unqualified. Mr. Trump is infinitely less qualified.
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I'm a 54 year old Republican who has voted R in every Presidential election since 1980. Not this time. My heart and conscience will not allow it. Sec Clinton has my vote. I know of many other sentient Republicans who will do likewise. Mr. Trump is a national disgrace.
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Extremely well said. Sadly, supporters of Trump don't seem to look at their obligation to vote as choosing the most qualified candidate for POTUS. Given some of Trump's comments and the fact that he still has any supporters makes me wonder what it would take in their minds for them to not support him? I can't recall an election in my lifetime where there was a clearer delineation between a qualified and an unqualified candidate. How this election is even close boggles the mind!
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Even if Donald Trump loses, the fact that it has become a tight race for the presidency has made me loose faith in the American electorate's ability to act as reasonable and informed citizens. It will take a landslide by Ms Clinton to change my mind and clear it of all disgust.
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The price of a Trump presidency would be far greater than a bad role model for our children! We may not even have to worry about our children if he is elected. I fear he endangers their future in ways I dare not imagine.
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At the end of the day it boils down to economics. Here in Nevada we hate people telling us what to do. We are very independent in mind and spirit. Mrs. Clinton will take away our second amendment rights regarding guns. She will push for very high tax increases. Who needs that. Trump is far from perfect but he really is the lesser of two evils. Clinton will appoint ultra libel individuals to the US Supreme Court as a payback to the bozos who supported her. She cannot be trusted and I cannot vote for someone who I cannot trust.
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I know many conservatives who agree with most if not all of what you say. But they are voting for Trump on the single issue of the Supreme Court. You barely mentioned the Court, but it may be the decisive issue in this election.
I have changed my view on the SC. Formerly, I thought that, after she is elected, Clinton should punish the Republicans for their unconstitutional blockade of Judge Garland's nomination by nominating a true liberal instead. That was when it looked like Clinton's election was a sure thing. Now, I believe that stopping Tump is so Important that she should reassure Republicans that she will nominate Garland for Scalia's seat, and moderates like him when future slots become open.
I have changed my view on the SC. Formerly, I thought that, after she is elected, Clinton should punish the Republicans for their unconstitutional blockade of Judge Garland's nomination by nominating a true liberal instead. That was when it looked like Clinton's election was a sure thing. Now, I believe that stopping Tump is so Important that she should reassure Republicans that she will nominate Garland for Scalia's seat, and moderates like him when future slots become open.
Seriously, I think the major problem here is that a sizeable chunk of American voters really want to hear bigotry, bluster, and false promises. They know he's racist, incompetent, ignorant, and unpredictable, and they approve of all that.
And just as seriously, if America elects Trump, I'm going to head out, possibly to the Caribbean, possibly Australia. If we choose our doom like this, I don't want to be associated with America anymore.
And just as seriously, if America elects Trump, I'm going to head out, possibly to the Caribbean, possibly Australia. If we choose our doom like this, I don't want to be associated with America anymore.
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The most disheartening thing about Trump's candidacy is the large number of my fellow citizens who have bought into the hate and fear that Trump has brought to this election cycle. I fear for our American Democracy when so many Americans think Trump would be in any way acceptable as President.
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All right, already, the choir gets it. Trouble is, the people who should read this editorial, and take its heed, will not read it. They will remain blithely oblivious. Try as we might, we can't delude ourselves into believing that your spot-on analysis will have any effect. So, for the time being at least, anxiety rules.
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Given how those endorsed by the esteemed Editorial Board have governed our nation, Donald Trump seems to be just the antidote that we need to end the pay-to-play incompetence that has been displayed by Obama and Clinton.
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Isn't it a sad comment on the greatest country in the world that it's citizens simply take such a thoughtless and irresponsible attitude towards supporting a buffon and con man like Trump and value his ignorance, stupidity and racism as virtues to occupy the highest office in our nation. Trump's supporters are actually proud that they are so gullible to back a guy who they feel will straighten out Washington with wait and see promises to make America great again.
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This election marks another of America's ugly descents into darkness. Events like the Trail of Tears, lynchings, Japanese-American internment, occur when fear, evil, and bigotry overwhelm core American ideals of justice,fairness, and hard work.
Trump is all about destruction - trade deals, alliances, health care, the environment, the truth... His "solutions" are lazy and weak. The Dark Side is strong with this one.
Trump is all about destruction - trade deals, alliances, health care, the environment, the truth... His "solutions" are lazy and weak. The Dark Side is strong with this one.
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This just makes me sad.
That a man of Mr. Trump's breadth of disqualifying attributes is this close to the Presidency suggests that even if Hillary pulls it out, the America built over the last 250 years is pretty much over.
I keep telling myself that it's this close because the Democrats selected the candidate least likely to win the support of all who aren't committed Democratic voters. But even if that's so, it suggests our problems aren't confined to the non-Democrats. Picking Hillary was no accident. It was no secret that only committed Democrats were enthusiastic about her. Are Democrats so inflexible that they'd prefer to gamble the future of our country and our planet than to pick a candidate with appeal beyond the base?
That a man of Mr. Trump's breadth of disqualifying attributes is this close to the Presidency suggests that even if Hillary pulls it out, the America built over the last 250 years is pretty much over.
I keep telling myself that it's this close because the Democrats selected the candidate least likely to win the support of all who aren't committed Democratic voters. But even if that's so, it suggests our problems aren't confined to the non-Democrats. Picking Hillary was no accident. It was no secret that only committed Democrats were enthusiastic about her. Are Democrats so inflexible that they'd prefer to gamble the future of our country and our planet than to pick a candidate with appeal beyond the base?
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It is easy for me to decide not to vote for Trump - he is UNqualified and a gonif.
For those who don't see it this way, I recommend that they look at the issues and policies that they see as critical to dealing with them. Then, they can consider which candidate is best qualified to deal with their issues as they desire.
For those who don't see it this way, I recommend that they look at the issues and policies that they see as critical to dealing with them. Then, they can consider which candidate is best qualified to deal with their issues as they desire.
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Nate Silver's website shows Clinton's probability of winning at 52.5% and Trump's at 47.5% going into the debate.
How is this possible? Trump is the worst candidate that I can remember (and I'm in my 50s).
How is this possible? Trump is the worst candidate that I can remember (and I'm in my 50s).
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The Republican party created the conditions that created this candidate. Why hasn't the Republican party as an entity denounced him and urged everyone to vote for Clinton, who is far from perfect, but at least she is within the bell curve of competence and normality, etc. It's a rhetorical question, sadly. The Republican party cares more about itself than about Americans and America. They prove that again and again, every day.
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I'm not sure pointing out the obvious about Trump makes any difference to his supporters. Its the supporters, whose heads have to be examined for their support despite such a black and white scenario. Hope our voters with any rationality left in them don't equate America to a tribal third world nation with their vote for him. Democracy is in peril. Decent and responsible Americans should raise to save it.
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This going to come down to turnout in the critical states. It now seems entirely possible that the vast majority of white american men, faced in the voting booth with the choice between a strong older woman (read b----) and an unpredictable fascist maniac, will choose the maniac. It doesn't help that the press and media are largely run by said white men, with an inbuilt ability to take women over 50 seriously. The B---- still has 99% approval among blacks and the vast majority of hispanics and women. Let's wake up and get out the vote.
Trump blusters, uses hyperbolic speech, obviously going beyond reality to make his points. Clinton, however carefully crafts partial truths to make other think reality is different than it is. Trump is more truthful than Clinton. Clinton is more ruthless in her ambitions than Trump, more willing to sell her loyalty. Trump is a bad choice. Hillary Clinton is a worse choice.
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Were he to win, the greatest indictment it would initiate would be one upon our public education system, which has produced two generations of weak thinking skills.
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This strongman aura feels familiar. I was in the Philippines during the inauguration of their new President Rodrigo Duterte. Brash, bombastic, he also called for killing street criminals and drug addicts. In three months, 3,000 people have been murdered with his blessing. Trump hasn't gone to this level, but the appeal is the same--'we need a change'. Even though the economy has performing well in both countries.
Indeed, the economy was improving rapidly in Germany when Hitler was elected.
Indeed, the economy was improving rapidly in Germany when Hitler was elected.
It is distressing that the NYTimes does not understand or emphasize the seriousness of HRC deliberately circumventing the government top secret secure email system to use her own private server for Secretary of State (SOS) business in order to keep her emails away from Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The government should hire more lawyers to vet all of the emails before the election instead of being complicit in hiding the email content before the election.
She has also accepted $675,000 in speaker fees from Goldman Sachs and refuses to release the text of the speech. A Times article on Saturday, “2008 Crisis Deepened the Ties Between Clintons and Goldman Sachs” details the close ties.
In a different Times article, “Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal”, details the Clinton Foundation receiving $2.35 million related to the sale of Uranium One to the Russians in a deal signed off by SOS Clinton. This information was not reported, breaking an agreement HRC had with our government. HRC later received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank connected to Uranium One.
The American people deserve more transparency from our own government related to HRC activities as SOS including disclosing all emails, its relationship to the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One, and the text of her speeches to Goldman.
She has also accepted $675,000 in speaker fees from Goldman Sachs and refuses to release the text of the speech. A Times article on Saturday, “2008 Crisis Deepened the Ties Between Clintons and Goldman Sachs” details the close ties.
In a different Times article, “Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal”, details the Clinton Foundation receiving $2.35 million related to the sale of Uranium One to the Russians in a deal signed off by SOS Clinton. This information was not reported, breaking an agreement HRC had with our government. HRC later received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank connected to Uranium One.
The American people deserve more transparency from our own government related to HRC activities as SOS including disclosing all emails, its relationship to the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One, and the text of her speeches to Goldman.
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Only because he is a liar, phony, con artist, racist, money hungry, short temper, bully to his opponent, uncivilized, inhumane and above all un presidential in all respect. He can replace my barking guard dog but not my President.
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The incompetence and self aggrandizement of our current crop of elected officials is hugely responsible for our current choice of candidates. I am a conservative who admires Obama the Man for his courage, demeanor, class, intelligence and conviction despite, perhaps, misguided policy decisions.
"The difference between a politician and a statesman is that a politician is worried about the next election while the statesman is worried about the next generation" we have no Statesmen left. I already dislike our next President.
"The difference between a politician and a statesman is that a politician is worried about the next election while the statesman is worried about the next generation" we have no Statesmen left. I already dislike our next President.
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Trump is not of the entrenched ruling class in Washington DC, and he does not play their game. It's this difference that makes him (and Bernie Sanders) appealing to so many voters. The NYTs, in its own brand of media bigotry, refuses to acknowledge the huge number of voters who feel that our politicians rule only for those who live by the philosophy of financial profit.
We want change. We want Washington to be severely shaken, and at whatever cost. We will settle for Trump until those who will govern for everyone come forward.
We want change. We want Washington to be severely shaken, and at whatever cost. We will settle for Trump until those who will govern for everyone come forward.
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Why Donald Trump could become President rests in the demographic reality that a majority of Americans are still white European. Although an aging and shrinking cohort with below replacement birth rates largely confined to the South, rural areas and ethnic enclaves in 2008 and 2012 57% and 59% of them voted white McCain/Palin and them Romney/Ryan. The Republican Party is the political party by, for and of a majority of white Americans.
Mahatma Gandhi once defined leadership as the ability to see where the people are going and running out in front of them. Donald Trump did not create his legion of followers. They made him their spokesmen.
And Trump is nothing new in the Republican Party nor American politics. Trump is Ronald Reagan without any of the acting and political experience or talent or gift for racist rhetorical euphemism or clever simple distracting entertaining phrase.
Trump also has the politically advantageous benefit of running against Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton aka Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton.
America is a public nation state rather than a private business and thus business experience is not relevant. But business involves marketing and sales aka propaganda which Trump has mastered. Talking "straight" involves rhetorical appeals to emotion rather than reason. Negotiation requires good faith and compromise. Trump has no talent for either. Trump is a nostalgic anachronism return to an era before there was a Kenyan Luo Arab Muslim socialist usurper.
Mahatma Gandhi once defined leadership as the ability to see where the people are going and running out in front of them. Donald Trump did not create his legion of followers. They made him their spokesmen.
And Trump is nothing new in the Republican Party nor American politics. Trump is Ronald Reagan without any of the acting and political experience or talent or gift for racist rhetorical euphemism or clever simple distracting entertaining phrase.
Trump also has the politically advantageous benefit of running against Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton aka Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton.
America is a public nation state rather than a private business and thus business experience is not relevant. But business involves marketing and sales aka propaganda which Trump has mastered. Talking "straight" involves rhetorical appeals to emotion rather than reason. Negotiation requires good faith and compromise. Trump has no talent for either. Trump is a nostalgic anachronism return to an era before there was a Kenyan Luo Arab Muslim socialist usurper.
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As other comments here make clear, none of this is news. Those who support Trump are acting emotionally, and not thinking rationally or critically.
Where was the media outcry early in the campaign? How is it that a blithering demagogue so woefully unqualified and dangerous -- who meant merely to inflame the proceedings and garner a share of the primary vote -- has been granted legitimacy as a presidential candidate?
But the damage has been done. Even if Trump loses, his poisonous rhetoric has permeated the political and social atmosphere. This opinion piece is too little, too late.
Where was the media outcry early in the campaign? How is it that a blithering demagogue so woefully unqualified and dangerous -- who meant merely to inflame the proceedings and garner a share of the primary vote -- has been granted legitimacy as a presidential candidate?
But the damage has been done. Even if Trump loses, his poisonous rhetoric has permeated the political and social atmosphere. This opinion piece is too little, too late.
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He will probably raise taxes on wealthy individuals and large corporations; otherwise the government will have to cut way back on spending and being president will be no fun at all.
Electing Trump would be like hiring a lawyer lacking in scruples and integrity, but yet wins cases using tactics that are unwholesome and repugnant. Do we really want to win the cases that afflict our country in that manner? Does it matter if we choose a principled litigant to work our cases, or any shyster will do? I am concerned we might elect a shyster-in-chief to prosecute the interests of America. If we do, it will be a worldwide embarrassment. And I'm not at all sure that Trump can rise to the responsibilities of the job. It does not seem like he is capable of dialing back his enormous ego for something greater than himself. If he gets in, the press will need to continue its scrutiny in ever more detail. For that, I am grateful.
Donald Trump does not like strong women and this is one of the many reasons to reject him as President.
When confronted by intelligent women his response is very predictable, he reaches into his bag of insults.
He seems to forget that about half the United States population are women.
Nothing makes Trump more uncomfortable than a strong woman.
Women who confront him are called either Stupid, Fat, Ugly or have PMS.
How any woman could actually pull the lever and vote for this man is simply beyond reason. Hillary is Trump’s worst nightmare; she is a strong woman.
When confronted by intelligent women his response is very predictable, he reaches into his bag of insults.
He seems to forget that about half the United States population are women.
Nothing makes Trump more uncomfortable than a strong woman.
Women who confront him are called either Stupid, Fat, Ugly or have PMS.
How any woman could actually pull the lever and vote for this man is simply beyond reason. Hillary is Trump’s worst nightmare; she is a strong woman.
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Donald Trump is hated and feared around the world. If he becomes president we will lose much credibility with our closest allies all around the world. Russia will be perceived as a major power and will encroach on Europe. NATO will be diminished. China will become more powerful also. It could be a trend that will most likely become irreversible if Trump becomes president.
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You ask: How would he change our schools for the better?
You should know that the States are in charge of education and public schools are funded out of property and sales tax revenues collected in local counties. Given Mike Pence's record in Indiana, my guess would be (and you can take it to the bank) that Trump administration would offer federal aid towards school vouchers citizens in states can use to send their children to better schools. If any school is not doing well, they will be shut down notwithstanding teachers' union thugs. Fair?
You ask: How would he lift more Americans out of poverty?
Trump has 'promised' an 'unbelievable number of jobs' that would help lift people off poverty. Also, a measure similar to the welfare reform under Clinton (which was a Republican idea) would come into force. Get it?
How would his condescending appeal to black voters — a cynical signal to white moderates concerned about his racist supporters — translate into credible White House initiatives to promote racial progress?
If the biracial guy Obama could not promote racial progress, neither Hill nor Trumpster would be able to do miracles.
How would his call to monitor and even close some mosques affect the nation’s life and global reputation?
If the mosques are havens for terrorist propaganda, then they ought to be shut down, The world will follow suit.
Would his Supreme Court nominees be extensions of himself?
Are you saying Hillary will nominate someone with no agenda? LOL.
You should know that the States are in charge of education and public schools are funded out of property and sales tax revenues collected in local counties. Given Mike Pence's record in Indiana, my guess would be (and you can take it to the bank) that Trump administration would offer federal aid towards school vouchers citizens in states can use to send their children to better schools. If any school is not doing well, they will be shut down notwithstanding teachers' union thugs. Fair?
You ask: How would he lift more Americans out of poverty?
Trump has 'promised' an 'unbelievable number of jobs' that would help lift people off poverty. Also, a measure similar to the welfare reform under Clinton (which was a Republican idea) would come into force. Get it?
How would his condescending appeal to black voters — a cynical signal to white moderates concerned about his racist supporters — translate into credible White House initiatives to promote racial progress?
If the biracial guy Obama could not promote racial progress, neither Hill nor Trumpster would be able to do miracles.
How would his call to monitor and even close some mosques affect the nation’s life and global reputation?
If the mosques are havens for terrorist propaganda, then they ought to be shut down, The world will follow suit.
Would his Supreme Court nominees be extensions of himself?
Are you saying Hillary will nominate someone with no agenda? LOL.
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Normally individuals promoting outlandish concepts on politics, religion, money, or actually having committed hideous crimes wouldn't get constant and massive first page coverage because the country as a whole was not part of it. This time with Trump is different meaning that the country as a whole is part of it. America has become outlandish from all angles. Insanity here has become the reality, or as the expression was during the 70tish "This is What It is." America has fallen of a cliff.
Trump is beyond absurd. He is dangerous to the future of the country and world order. Secretary Clinton has proven records of promoting progressive values. She is supremely qualified by intellect, experience, and temperament to take the helm as president. I will vote for her with great enthusiasm. She and the Democratic Party best exemplify the values of E Pluribus Unum. Please cherish your vote and cast it responsibly. Vote for Hillary.
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Isn't it amazing that someone like Trump, with all of his failings, meticulously documented in this NYT editorial, is running neck-and-neck with Clinton for the American Presidency! What to make of this? Maybe it has something to do with the last three baby-boomer Presidents and the unpopular decisions they made. Maybe Trump, for all of his faults, is still considered better by some than having the Clintons living again in the White House. Maybe a large percentage of the population fears all of the cultural changes that occurred in the last 50 years, made without much input or agreement from them. Maybe some Americans remember when the USA was a real super power to be respected by our friends, and sometimes feared by our enemies. Maybe some of us remember when America made things, and not just moved money around from one investment to another. Perhaps all of these reasons, and many more, caused a large segment of the American people to raise up the ultimate outsider/change agent to blast open the Washington establishment.
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Dear Hillary,
Please don’t talk to Trump tonight. Look at the camera and talk directly to the people who live in Flint Michigan; to Hispanic Americans who risk mass deportation; to the poor whites who think that blacks and Muslims are the cause of their problems, to young Americans with huge college debt. Address the baseless fear from the right. Point out that over 10 years there were 24 deaths in the US due to Islamic Terrorism but 300,000 deaths due to gun violence.
Tie him to the white supremacists and neo Nazis – They are all excited how Trump legitimizes their vicious agenda. Remember the progressive vision that got Bernie his supporters. Explain to each demographic how your plans will make their lives better and how Trumps will make things soo much worse. It’s not fear mongering when you base your position on facts. Mention how he wants to expand coal in the face of the impending catastrophe of global warming - but let the coal workers know you will help them. Explain the trickle-down economics lie-over and over again, and mention the threat to Democracy from Citizens United. Don’t be bullied by that evil incompetent narcissist, and don’t give him the attention his sociopathy craves.
Point out his lies with “There you go again” moments, but pivot quickly to the viewing public. Address his proven lack of principles. His answer will be to attack you so don’t bother responding to him – address us. Be transparent. Be calm. But most of all please win this damn debate.
Please don’t talk to Trump tonight. Look at the camera and talk directly to the people who live in Flint Michigan; to Hispanic Americans who risk mass deportation; to the poor whites who think that blacks and Muslims are the cause of their problems, to young Americans with huge college debt. Address the baseless fear from the right. Point out that over 10 years there were 24 deaths in the US due to Islamic Terrorism but 300,000 deaths due to gun violence.
Tie him to the white supremacists and neo Nazis – They are all excited how Trump legitimizes their vicious agenda. Remember the progressive vision that got Bernie his supporters. Explain to each demographic how your plans will make their lives better and how Trumps will make things soo much worse. It’s not fear mongering when you base your position on facts. Mention how he wants to expand coal in the face of the impending catastrophe of global warming - but let the coal workers know you will help them. Explain the trickle-down economics lie-over and over again, and mention the threat to Democracy from Citizens United. Don’t be bullied by that evil incompetent narcissist, and don’t give him the attention his sociopathy craves.
Point out his lies with “There you go again” moments, but pivot quickly to the viewing public. Address his proven lack of principles. His answer will be to attack you so don’t bother responding to him – address us. Be transparent. Be calm. But most of all please win this damn debate.
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If my health insurance is withdrawn I will die. So, I suppose this election means much to me and everyone else who could not get insurance because of cost or pre-existing conditions until the law was changed.
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In 2000, The Simpsons produced an episode that had Lisa becoming President following "President Trump's" time in office. This is a cartoon show well-known for it's ridiculous premise, and the writers have said that they chose that as the most far-fetched ridiculous story they could think of. With the exception that one of Lisa's problems was dealing with America's financial condition since Trump had run it into the ground.
Voting for Trump in the hopes that some message gets across regarding how frightened and unhappy 'everyone' is and hoping that politics gets it's act together when they see how bad it is - is disingenuous, at best. He says what people want to hear, and is fearmongering to do it. We have no idea what he'll bring to the table other than that, since he won't specify his plans for any promise he's made.
I don't think he's shown us anything in the time that he's been a public figure that indicates that once in office, he'd settle down and be Presidential. Whatever that is.
Voting for Trump in the hopes that some message gets across regarding how frightened and unhappy 'everyone' is and hoping that politics gets it's act together when they see how bad it is - is disingenuous, at best. He says what people want to hear, and is fearmongering to do it. We have no idea what he'll bring to the table other than that, since he won't specify his plans for any promise he's made.
I don't think he's shown us anything in the time that he's been a public figure that indicates that once in office, he'd settle down and be Presidential. Whatever that is.
Trump's domestic policies are either non-existent or chimeras.
Two of his international policy stands I find particularly frightening: he says he'll renegotiate the nuclear deal w/ Iran. As I understand it, even proposing such a renegotiation will invalidate the existing agreement, unleashing Iran to go back to its nuclear program. The other is pulling out of the Paris Climate Change agreement. Isn't he concerned about his children and grandchildren and the world they will inherit? I am! He would do anything for money, including sell out all hope of stabilizing the Earth.
Sadly, there isn't another planet to ship him off to; he has unshackled all the worst and basest instincts in the American character. The world will not thank us if that man is elected, to say nothing of what he will do to us.
Two of his international policy stands I find particularly frightening: he says he'll renegotiate the nuclear deal w/ Iran. As I understand it, even proposing such a renegotiation will invalidate the existing agreement, unleashing Iran to go back to its nuclear program. The other is pulling out of the Paris Climate Change agreement. Isn't he concerned about his children and grandchildren and the world they will inherit? I am! He would do anything for money, including sell out all hope of stabilizing the Earth.
Sadly, there isn't another planet to ship him off to; he has unshackled all the worst and basest instincts in the American character. The world will not thank us if that man is elected, to say nothing of what he will do to us.
Between the things in this editorial that simply aren't true, the things that are entirely subjective, and the utter absence of any analysis of Secretary Clinton's unfitness for office - which has much more to do with actual job performance - this is just another in a long line of desperate attempts to shore up the Democrat's fading chances.
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Twitter and the like have cheapened our politics. The majority of our citizens, especially the young folks, thinks in soundbites and deal in emotions, not facts. Not many take the time to read a thought-provoking article like this one. Many see Trump as some kind of superhero who makes all our problems seem like villains he can conquer with his pigheadedness and so-called super powers. People don’t see or understand the real Donald Trump. Trump has conned his way for his entire life using people as pawns to be used and then cast aside to gain money and power. He has even been handed a pass on not having to produce his tax returns and not putting his business in a blind trust, which is really unimaginable. I just hope the American people wake up in time before it’s too late. There is no doubt in my mind that if he’s elected president, he will destroy our country. We will never recover.
The reality is if Trump promises ten things and delivers three it is still better than corrupt incompetent Hillary who just want to continue obama's disastrous foreign and domestic policies.
Trump's economic plan and tax cuts has a potential of jump starting this anemic economy and finally bring back some jobs and prosperity after two decades of slow or zero growth.
Trump's economic plan and tax cuts has a potential of jump starting this anemic economy and finally bring back some jobs and prosperity after two decades of slow or zero growth.
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How anyone can doubt that Mr. Trump is unqualified is beyond me. His business records speaks for itself. His lenders (or should we say lender - Deutsche Bank) could fill books with stories. Many banks lost billions of USD with Trump's bankruptcy projects. Why Deutsche is a lender is an avenue of investigation to persue - the no. 2 banker at Credit Suisse (Joe Ackermann) went to Deutsche. At Credi Suisse, Trump was a persona non grata as his projects had cost hundreds of millions of USD. I had the displeasure to work on those projects: T lied all the time, inflated every number and fleeced each project for his benefit.
This thorough and well-supported editorial no doubt will be the first of many; I would be surprised if any serious newspaper in America endorses Donald Trump for the president. And yet it will remain a close contest because most people inclined to support him either do not read or do not believe what they read in the "mainstream" press. This is what we have come to: a nation where nearly half of the voters either do not care about the facts or are so blinded by their irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton that they do not care about the future.
Trump is not really running for president, his authoritarian ways are more suited to a dictator. No wonder he has kind things to say about fellow dictators like Russia's Putin, the Egyptian President, Saddam Hussein and many others.
‘I Alone Can Fix It’
(Trump in his acceptance speech at the Republican Convention)
Breaking with two centuries of political tradition, Donald Trump didn’t ask Americans to place their trust in each other or in God, but rather, in Trump.
‘I Alone Can Fix It’
(Trump in his acceptance speech at the Republican Convention)
Breaking with two centuries of political tradition, Donald Trump didn’t ask Americans to place their trust in each other or in God, but rather, in Trump.
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Hillary fits exactly the descriptions in this article.
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The Times is right. Donald Trump should not be president. But neither should Hillary Clinton. Her ties to Wall Street banks that defrauded all of us and crashed our economy with impunity alone disqualify her. But there's so much more. Is Trump's overt racism really worse than the racism of a woman who supports drone strikes on innocent brown-skinned women and children in the Middle East and in Afghanistan? Trump denies the existence of climate change. Clinton - by supporting environmentally disastrous free trade agreements, fracking and oil industry subsidies - is in denial about it. She still hasn't disclosed what she promised Goldman Sachs when they paid her hundreds of thousands of dollars an hour. The Times should run an editorial about how we deserve better than these two dangerous candidates.
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Donald Trump has thoroughly (and entertainingly) demolished the ossified establishment Republican culture and replaced it with an appealing, invigorating brand of America-first patriotism. That alone showed me more talent and energy than the current occupant of the White House has ever demonstrated. The Democrats had the same opportunity to gain appeal with the rise of Bernie Sanders, but decided to keep their own corrupt, entrenched political establishment, and openly cheat Bernie's supporters in the process. For this there will be a price to be paid in November.
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So vast is Trump's divisiveness that the editorial never even got around to his positions related to the LGBT community in its laundry list of his shortcomings. He has taken the LGBT minority, and many others, and has cast them aside as he has created a political movement founded is hatred and oppression.
The Human Rights Campaign recently noted that Trump supports a First Amendment Defense that essentially codifies legalized discrimination against LGBT people. He has promised Supreme Court appointees that will overturn Marriage Equality. He has supported and encourages discriminatory legislation such as HB2. If those things don't give you an idea of his perspective, he has brought Rick Santorum and James Hobbes on as advisors. Few people are less qualified to advise a President, but for Trump that's par for the course because he's the least qualified candidate from a major party in our lifetime.
The Human Rights Campaign recently noted that Trump supports a First Amendment Defense that essentially codifies legalized discrimination against LGBT people. He has promised Supreme Court appointees that will overturn Marriage Equality. He has supported and encourages discriminatory legislation such as HB2. If those things don't give you an idea of his perspective, he has brought Rick Santorum and James Hobbes on as advisors. Few people are less qualified to advise a President, but for Trump that's par for the course because he's the least qualified candidate from a major party in our lifetime.
Many reasons for this man not be president in a normal election. The problem is that this election is anything but normal. A portion of the electorate support this man does not matter what he says or do. The white Caucasians males without a college degree, the “blue collar” white America; conservatives Christians they want to make America great by going back to the past, they hate immigrants because they took their jobs. Donald their champion is a man that never have set foot in a factory, whose clothing companies produce fabrics overseas. A multimillionaire that do not relate at all with “blue collar people” who is married to a foreigner with a dubious past & way to get into the country who worked while holding a tourist visa.No Christian at all, married 3 times, pro-abortion, his wife (the first Lady to be) have some nude pictures circulating around the Internet, his “charitable” foundation paid for several of his lawsuits and his self-portraits.
His Christian values of accountability, honesty, etc. are no where to be found, refuses to publish his tax returns, he had bullied small contractors & has been involved in more lawsuits than Judge Judy. In summary a candidate that just loves himself, married to a foreigner with a dubious past who worked while holding a tourist visa, that has not moral compass & whose companies shipped the same jobs that the people who support him need. I an normal country this would be just a buffoon, not in a nowadays reality T.V lover America.
His Christian values of accountability, honesty, etc. are no where to be found, refuses to publish his tax returns, he had bullied small contractors & has been involved in more lawsuits than Judge Judy. In summary a candidate that just loves himself, married to a foreigner with a dubious past who worked while holding a tourist visa, that has not moral compass & whose companies shipped the same jobs that the people who support him need. I an normal country this would be just a buffoon, not in a nowadays reality T.V lover America.
While there is far more "broken glass" associated Trump than most Republicans and conservative minded independents would prefer, the reason he has significant support is the need to limit the further implementation of the Democratic Party agenda.
The reasons to vote for Trump are very simple:
(1) The appalling amount of regulation under the Obama/Clinton/ Warren presidency. Less government regulation under Trump will spur economic growth which is critical to our country's future;
(2) Preventing the implementation of Clinton/Sanders confiscatory tax policies which will drain our country of entrepreneurs and business leaders who want to build great businesses and are motivated by the incentive to pass wealth to their heirs. High taxes simply entrench wealth as no one has the opportunity to become wealthy.
(3) Avoiding the appointment of left wing liberal judges and instead appointing conservative judges.
The reasons to vote for Trump are very simple:
(1) The appalling amount of regulation under the Obama/Clinton/ Warren presidency. Less government regulation under Trump will spur economic growth which is critical to our country's future;
(2) Preventing the implementation of Clinton/Sanders confiscatory tax policies which will drain our country of entrepreneurs and business leaders who want to build great businesses and are motivated by the incentive to pass wealth to their heirs. High taxes simply entrench wealth as no one has the opportunity to become wealthy.
(3) Avoiding the appointment of left wing liberal judges and instead appointing conservative judges.
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we need an in depth study of the people who support trump. they obviously don't care about the ascertainable facts, or that trump is truly dangerous. what do they care about and why?
my fear is that millions of adults have lost touch with "reality" through the numbing influence of talk radio, fox news, and nefarious internet sites. can and should anything be done about those sources of misinformation, if they truly create a fearful, ignorant, and reckless electorate?
this election cycle, unfortunately, has been an indictment of our country's means of providing information to the people. i keep remembering that "sober-minded" germans elected hitler in the early '30's--but they were recovering from the national loss from wwI. what's our excuse? too much freedom?
my fear is that millions of adults have lost touch with "reality" through the numbing influence of talk radio, fox news, and nefarious internet sites. can and should anything be done about those sources of misinformation, if they truly create a fearful, ignorant, and reckless electorate?
this election cycle, unfortunately, has been an indictment of our country's means of providing information to the people. i keep remembering that "sober-minded" germans elected hitler in the early '30's--but they were recovering from the national loss from wwI. what's our excuse? too much freedom?
World War I was not called that until some time following the Second World War.
Prior to the inferno that enveloped Europe in 1939, it was called simply "The Great War".
Likewise, the American Civil War might in future come to be called the "The First American Civil War" if Trump's zeitgeist prevails and persists—whether or not he wins or loses this election.
Prior to the inferno that enveloped Europe in 1939, it was called simply "The Great War".
Likewise, the American Civil War might in future come to be called the "The First American Civil War" if Trump's zeitgeist prevails and persists—whether or not he wins or loses this election.
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This election has brought misogyny and racism to the surface. I do believe there are many people in this country who believe that white men are superior no matter what the circumstances.
This is partially our own fault for glamorizing wealth and privilege through the media and neglecting to fund and improve education in this country.
This is partially our own fault for glamorizing wealth and privilege through the media and neglecting to fund and improve education in this country.
I wish this article had been written sooner. At this point I am more concerned about the support Mr. Trump is receiving than I am about the mountain of reasons he should not be our President. I blame the press in part for this. Right now, this very moment, panels of reporters and commentators are broadcasting from Hofstra endlessly finding ways to make Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton equivilent choices. How can this be? He's a serial liar, but then they point to her not being forthcoming. These are not equivlent and we are judging Mrs. Clinton to a much higher standard in order to put them on equal footing.
As a non-US citizen, I know I should be careful choosing what to say regarding the US presidential selection process. But let me say this to you, my friends in the US: I'm appalled that now the number of Americans who sympathize with Mr. Trump has reached high enough a level raising doubt on the integrity of the country. The US has the best and the worst of any categories. Now I'm terrified to imagine what to happen to the world with Mr. Trump as the President of the very powerful nation on earth.
There are rare moments in history where average citizens are called upon to stand up and take action for the benefit of their nation and their world. This election is one of those moments, and we are not called upon to fight or (just) to take to the streets, but to vote.
There is only one possible vote of conscience in this election, only one possible 'protest' vote, and that is a vote in protest against explicit racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. A vote in protest against eight years of arguing about whether climate change is real, a vote in protest of further redistributing wealth to the richest of the rich. Hillary Clinton must win, and not by a little but by a landslide. We must show the world who Americans really are.
The real change agents in this election are the American people, and history will remember our actions this November. What will you say when your children, grandchildren, and those of the next generation ask you? What will you choose on election day 2016?
There is only one possible vote of conscience in this election, only one possible 'protest' vote, and that is a vote in protest against explicit racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. A vote in protest against eight years of arguing about whether climate change is real, a vote in protest of further redistributing wealth to the richest of the rich. Hillary Clinton must win, and not by a little but by a landslide. We must show the world who Americans really are.
The real change agents in this election are the American people, and history will remember our actions this November. What will you say when your children, grandchildren, and those of the next generation ask you? What will you choose on election day 2016?
As a poet normally I would comment in rhyme
But given the tone of the tone of this editorial not this time
From the mantra of all the news that's fit to print, the Times has fallen into the gutter and stench of only the news that is slanted so far to the left and so coated with bias it has become only the news that is not worth the print to read. Hillary Clinton is a felon and only because of the protection of Obama and Lynch has she not been indicted.
She has lied to the American public over her server, lied to Congress, the American people, and the families of the four dead Americans on Benghazi, and lied to the FBI over the server and has destroyed evidence that probably would have shown not her yoga schedules but the quid pro quo scandals of her tenure at the Secretary of State while her husband was milking millions upon millions of dollars from foreign governments and corporations seeking favors. Is this the role model we want as president, a paranoid, secretive, nontransparent, deceptive liar whose record as Secretary was a complete disaster and as a Senator was nonexistent? If the Times had a nanogram of objectivity the answer would be clearly no. Trump may have his warts but he is head and shoulders far better than a tired more of the same old woman who has nothing to run on other than she is a woman and can with lightening speed play the ill-conceived false race card and misogynist card. Shame on your editorial board!
But given the tone of the tone of this editorial not this time
From the mantra of all the news that's fit to print, the Times has fallen into the gutter and stench of only the news that is slanted so far to the left and so coated with bias it has become only the news that is not worth the print to read. Hillary Clinton is a felon and only because of the protection of Obama and Lynch has she not been indicted.
She has lied to the American public over her server, lied to Congress, the American people, and the families of the four dead Americans on Benghazi, and lied to the FBI over the server and has destroyed evidence that probably would have shown not her yoga schedules but the quid pro quo scandals of her tenure at the Secretary of State while her husband was milking millions upon millions of dollars from foreign governments and corporations seeking favors. Is this the role model we want as president, a paranoid, secretive, nontransparent, deceptive liar whose record as Secretary was a complete disaster and as a Senator was nonexistent? If the Times had a nanogram of objectivity the answer would be clearly no. Trump may have his warts but he is head and shoulders far better than a tired more of the same old woman who has nothing to run on other than she is a woman and can with lightening speed play the ill-conceived false race card and misogynist card. Shame on your editorial board!
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Donald Trump is a disaster in waiting. Yes a narcissistic personality it is based in insecurity. He has less intellectual depth than any president in memory. Everyone who is opposing a.m. or would oppose him would be in danger when he became president. Like his idol Putin he would threaten and maybe even assassinate journalist who criticize him. No this is not the role model we want for our children or for the world. He's the most dangerous person to get the nomination of a major party in America.
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This page fails to understand that people are sick and tired of the status quo and the only person with a colorable chance of changing going the way business is done in Washington is Mr. Trump. He has alienated those on the left and the right and he owes favors to no-one except the American people. Clinton has used her office to gain what she always craved, money and power. Trump already has both. He is a seasoned executive, risk analyzer, and leader which is all the President does. They manage the executive branch. delegate authority, appoint judges and decide when we should go to war. Trump is more trustworthy on all these issue. Mrs. Clinton is everything but trustworthy and a seasoned bender of the truth. That is why I am voting for Trump.
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Even if he were as wealthy and successful as he contends, he has the mindset of a businessman, not a public servant. The goals of business are to minimize costs and maximize profits. The time-honored methods of achieving these goals are to reduce the labor force, find the cheapest means of production, and reduce benefits to the workforce. The business model casts the president as a boss, and leadership means being obeyed. If there is a social contract, re-negotiate it. If there is unrest, fire the agitators. If there is protest, shout it down or send in the troops. Protect the bottom line at all costs.
The business mindset says the world is dependent upon the marketplace; human needs must be subordinated to the market. Anything coherent we can discern in the trump agenda, it is traceable to this mindset. Whether it is the privatization of health care and social security, the promise of a more forceful police presence in oppressed communities, the blanket rejection of immigration and climate protocols, or the abrogation of regulation in the spheres of energy and finance, profit is clearly the guiding principle. It is entirely appropriate to say that Donald Trump is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Notwithstanding his populist demagoguery, thin-skinned narcissism, lack of grace or good taste, and his embrace of the authoritarian, Donald Trump is unqualified by virtue of the very thing he offers as his greatest asset – he is a businessman.
The business mindset says the world is dependent upon the marketplace; human needs must be subordinated to the market. Anything coherent we can discern in the trump agenda, it is traceable to this mindset. Whether it is the privatization of health care and social security, the promise of a more forceful police presence in oppressed communities, the blanket rejection of immigration and climate protocols, or the abrogation of regulation in the spheres of energy and finance, profit is clearly the guiding principle. It is entirely appropriate to say that Donald Trump is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Notwithstanding his populist demagoguery, thin-skinned narcissism, lack of grace or good taste, and his embrace of the authoritarian, Donald Trump is unqualified by virtue of the very thing he offers as his greatest asset – he is a businessman.
The thought of a Trump presidency brings on an overwhelming sense of dread. The thought of a Hillary Clinton presidency, on the other hand, brings on a real sense of hope and promise for a better future. The differences in the two candidates couldn't be more stark: Dark, foreboding and unpredictable with Trump as our leader; and bright, promising, and invigorating with Hillary at the helm. Had the entire Fourth Estate handled this contest with honesty and integrity, this election wouldn't be a contest at all. Had the truth been revealed about both candidates, Hillary Clinton would win in a landslide.
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It is not that hard to understand. You only have to read social media for a few days and watch Fox News to get a sense of why people can support Trump. The misinformation is so overwhelming, that it has become their reality. If one is truly committed to being informed, it takes an enormous amount of time and interest that many people don't have.
When media has spent the past year treating the public to sound bites of colorful Donald Trump on a daily basis on all networks, right down to the local news, no wonder they know him better than Hillary Clinton. They already knew him as a celebrity and he was "legitimate" then, so by extension he is believable. He has continued to entertain them. Hillary was left with the burden for some time to expose him. But when the news sound bites show him telling people over and over that she is a liar, it was a very steep hill to climb, particularly being the first women to run for President.
It is not a unique historical occurrence for societies to follow leaders who are not acting in their best interest. But it very well may be the first time in the United States. The media got pulled into celebrity and ratings, the Republican Party wants a win at all costs. They will simply impeach him for lying when everything falls apart.
When media has spent the past year treating the public to sound bites of colorful Donald Trump on a daily basis on all networks, right down to the local news, no wonder they know him better than Hillary Clinton. They already knew him as a celebrity and he was "legitimate" then, so by extension he is believable. He has continued to entertain them. Hillary was left with the burden for some time to expose him. But when the news sound bites show him telling people over and over that she is a liar, it was a very steep hill to climb, particularly being the first women to run for President.
It is not a unique historical occurrence for societies to follow leaders who are not acting in their best interest. But it very well may be the first time in the United States. The media got pulled into celebrity and ratings, the Republican Party wants a win at all costs. They will simply impeach him for lying when everything falls apart.
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The media needs to investigate as thoroughly as possible Trump's ties to corrupt Russian interests. Fully 3 advisors (Flynn, Manafort, and Page) have been essentially on the Kremlin payroll. Trump appears to be promising to Putin he will dissolve NATO and let Russia reestablish its Empire. To any reasonable observer, this appears to be a quid pro quo for help (hacking, and who knows what else) with the election. This is much, much worse than Nixon paying some Cubans to break into the DNC in the Watergate. Trump is inviting a fascist dictator and ex KGB agent to meddle in a US election.
I have to ask: How can anyone who lauds Reagan for winning the Cold War (with NATO allies) vote for Trump to reverse all that Reagan accomplished? The media needs to do their job. This could be the beginning of a second and possibly more dangerous Cold War. It is everyone's job to spread the word about this critical issue. There are other issues, I understand, but this one alone is the most terrifying. I think personal one-on-one contacts about the Russia scandals and the questions it raises could be the best way to convince people to not vote Trump. What dealings is Trump hiding in his tax returns? Where did he find an unknown like Carter Page except through common Russian investments in Kremlin-controlled corporations?
I have to ask: How can anyone who lauds Reagan for winning the Cold War (with NATO allies) vote for Trump to reverse all that Reagan accomplished? The media needs to do their job. This could be the beginning of a second and possibly more dangerous Cold War. It is everyone's job to spread the word about this critical issue. There are other issues, I understand, but this one alone is the most terrifying. I think personal one-on-one contacts about the Russia scandals and the questions it raises could be the best way to convince people to not vote Trump. What dealings is Trump hiding in his tax returns? Where did he find an unknown like Carter Page except through common Russian investments in Kremlin-controlled corporations?
Since he has never accomplished anything in the political world that would support his credentials for our highest office, and since his business and entertainment record is flaccid at best, we have only Mr. Trump's words to assess his potential as President. His comments can no longer be laughed off as zany or dismissed as bluster, they must now be viewed as his position on real life issues, and yet one could randomly select nearly every position and find within Trump's words something to terrify even the most anti-HRC citizen who still harbors respect for this nation's espoused virtues. For my part, the notion that Mr. Trump would direct those serving under him as Commander in Chief to disobey international law is sufficient, standing alone, to recoil at the notion of a Trump Presidency and, amazingly, stand with some degree of relief that the unsavory selection of Ms. Clinton remains a likely option.
"Donald Trump is a man who dwells in bigotry, bluster and false promises."
Bluster, yes. Bigotry? Not sure. Note that his most recent list of potential nominees for the Supreme Court includes one woman (not his daughter), one Indian American and one Hispanic, they are Margaret A. Ryan, Amul Thapar and Federico Moreno.
The problems of terrorism and massive (legal or illegal) immigration are difficult ones and I do not think that either Mr. Obama (who is too permissive) and Mr. Trump (who is too tough) have the right approach.
As for false promises, what about the Wollman rink? After New York City had foundered on fixing it, spending $13 million over six years, Trump offered to do it in six months for $2.5 million. He finished it in four months and $250,000 under the budget. I believe one could call it a promise kept.
I would not call him a "good candidate" I would much prefer Paul Ryan or Condi Rice or Nikki Haley (among Republicans). But Trump is what is on offer as opposed to Hillary who has the virtue of experience and intelligence, but also have the habit of hiding things and of making a total mess of Libya. (And no, I do not mean Benghazi - I mean the more than 2000 Libyans who drowned in the Mediterranean after Hillary "saved" their country).
Bluster, yes. Bigotry? Not sure. Note that his most recent list of potential nominees for the Supreme Court includes one woman (not his daughter), one Indian American and one Hispanic, they are Margaret A. Ryan, Amul Thapar and Federico Moreno.
The problems of terrorism and massive (legal or illegal) immigration are difficult ones and I do not think that either Mr. Obama (who is too permissive) and Mr. Trump (who is too tough) have the right approach.
As for false promises, what about the Wollman rink? After New York City had foundered on fixing it, spending $13 million over six years, Trump offered to do it in six months for $2.5 million. He finished it in four months and $250,000 under the budget. I believe one could call it a promise kept.
I would not call him a "good candidate" I would much prefer Paul Ryan or Condi Rice or Nikki Haley (among Republicans). But Trump is what is on offer as opposed to Hillary who has the virtue of experience and intelligence, but also have the habit of hiding things and of making a total mess of Libya. (And no, I do not mean Benghazi - I mean the more than 2000 Libyans who drowned in the Mediterranean after Hillary "saved" their country).
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There comes time, in everyone’s life, when one has to make a choice between what is right and what is easy.
Republicans of every shade are facing this choice. A handful of courageous ones have done so. Others, including Mr. Cruz, who asked his republican colleagues to “vote their conscience”, have shown that they are spineless.
Media too is facing the similar choice. Media outlets no longer can hide behind the excuse that they just need to show the reader the facts about two candidates and their policy platforms and hope that they will make judicious choice. In an unconventional election, media needs to show that they too have spine to take the unconventional position of educating masses how dangerous their choice will be if they vote for Trump.
Too bad media shut Ruth Bader Ginsberg up when she refrained from the norm for the Supreme Court Justices to keep their views to themselves and sounded the alarm about the dangers Trump’s election as President would pose. She followed her conscience and did what she thought was right. She was courageous one.
We need thousands of opinion leaders to do the same between now and November 8.
Republicans of every shade are facing this choice. A handful of courageous ones have done so. Others, including Mr. Cruz, who asked his republican colleagues to “vote their conscience”, have shown that they are spineless.
Media too is facing the similar choice. Media outlets no longer can hide behind the excuse that they just need to show the reader the facts about two candidates and their policy platforms and hope that they will make judicious choice. In an unconventional election, media needs to show that they too have spine to take the unconventional position of educating masses how dangerous their choice will be if they vote for Trump.
Too bad media shut Ruth Bader Ginsberg up when she refrained from the norm for the Supreme Court Justices to keep their views to themselves and sounded the alarm about the dangers Trump’s election as President would pose. She followed her conscience and did what she thought was right. She was courageous one.
We need thousands of opinion leaders to do the same between now and November 8.
I guess Donald Trump's fans never read the Emperor's New Clothes. Hans Christian Anderson's tale of an emperor who had his weavers make him an amazing suit that could not be seen by those who are stupid, incompetent and unfit for their jobs. Only a child saw the truth and gave voice to the fact that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes at all. In the tale of Trump, he is both Emperor and weaver. He has woven an "amazing" suit of lies, exagerations and distortions and boasts empty promises that only he can make come true.
His followers either believe him or are afraid to call him on it for fear that their stupidity will be exposed. Like the child in the Anderson tale, this would be a good time to for many to shout out the naked truth.
His followers either believe him or are afraid to call him on it for fear that their stupidity will be exposed. Like the child in the Anderson tale, this would be a good time to for many to shout out the naked truth.
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My main frustration when trying to talk with people that hate Clinton and support Trump is that they get all their information off headlines, Fox news and conservative talk shows. When the effort to talk about Trumps self aggrandizement, huge ego and temper, they sort of glaze over and tune it all out. They only see their 'take' that Trump is not of the Washington establishment and he is putting it to the establishment. In their mind, it is the establishment that is at the heart of all bad things in their lives.
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God help us if our presidents are role models for generations of our children, except as examples of how not to behave. That goes for either one of the candidates likely to be elected in November. I would hope my kids and my grandkids would aspire to something more respectable than either of those two.
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The truth is that we have no idea whatsoever what a Trump presidency would actually look like. He has proved impossible to pin down on any issue and he is willing to lie in ways that most people would be ashamed of.
Trump's constituency, plugged into Fox news like it was intravenous, seems to be impervious to reason. They feel - for no discernibly tangible reason - that Trump is THEIR guy.
I take it back. We DO know what a Trump presidency would look like. It would be an administration that is all about the glorification of Donald J. Trump.
Trump's constituency, plugged into Fox news like it was intravenous, seems to be impervious to reason. They feel - for no discernibly tangible reason - that Trump is THEIR guy.
I take it back. We DO know what a Trump presidency would look like. It would be an administration that is all about the glorification of Donald J. Trump.
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By all means, America, choose Trump as your president. But you'll see the former allies rather turn to Germany, France and U.K. for advise for the next four years. Even China's leadership may come through as appealing in comparison!
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It is blatantly obvious WHY Donald Trump should NOT become the NEXT President of the United States. Every American Citizen who casts a vote for Mr. Trump is going to have to accept responsibility for what happens if Mr. Trump wins the election. The American Democracy as we know it will be destroyed. What a waste. You know... I don't even believe that Donald Trump really wants to be President of the United States. I sense that he would find the job tedious and boring. He prefers Reality TV. Fine. Let him live in the world of Reality TV and continue feeding his insatiable ego. Running the United States Government requires a whole spectrum of different skills, experience and knowledge than maintaining the image created by Mass Media. Mr. Putin is waiting in the wings ready to step in and take over this out-of-control Poker game. It may be entertaining to some...but it's not funny...and the results of Trump victory will result in the destruction of this country's democracy. Most importantly, if he is elected the coming generations who will have to dig there way through the wreckage will never forgive our generation for creating such a fiasco.
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The irony, which is surely lost on his supporters, is that Tantrum Trump as President will negatively and disasterously affect their economic, social and political well-being.
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Where were the major newspapers and the rest of the media during the primary season? Why did we not see an editorial like this?
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This must have been painful to write, as opposed to just rolling your eyes, which too many voters seem to be opting for instead of taking this seriously.
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My answer to this headline is actually just a turn around. The reason Donald Trump should be president is quite simple. It's because the other candidate, Hillary Clinton should in no way be allowed to run this country. I believe she is pure evil. She's a liar, a murderer, a deceitful human being, to list a few. After Benghazi she should have been held accountable and brought up on charges of treason, murder, and accessory to murder. But you see, she's very clever, and managed to deflect blame away from herself. I also believe she has some real serious health issues. Once again, covering this fact up as well as she can. There is no way I could in good conscience vote for this woman. Just about every negative that you've applied to Trump could be used to describe Clinton!! I urge everyone to think this through and vote for Trump!! 4 years of Clinton would be catastrophic for the U.S.
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As the Fourth Estate, the media is just as much on the hook for the rise of Trump as the Republican Party. The Republicans wanted to win and the media wanted to sell advertising. Trump was a marriage of convenience for both. Just look at the shameful ploy of the media to hype tonight's debate and sell some of the highest priced advertising spots before and after the main event. It's reprehensible. So glad you all are getting the horse race you wanted, while the public remains confused and uninformed by the clear choice in this race -- which is perhaps the starkest contrast since 1932.
NYT and other outlets are now getting "tough" on Trump, but merely calling out his constant lies isn't going to be enough to sway those disaffected voters who are only leaning Trump because they feel any change is good. While you make sound, logical arguments against Trump in this editorial, it will not resonate with anybody who even mildly feels the system is already "rigged" against them. The only way to sway these voters is to enlighten them to the one inescapable truth that will reveal Trump as a phony -- his tax returns.
It's time for the media to do its job and tell Trump, "No tax returns, no coverage. Period." It's time to put your duty to this country ahead of profits to shareholders. You owe this to the American people for the mockery made of this election. You owe this to our Constitutional right to free speech. You owe this to the salvation of journalistic integrity. Get to work.
NYT and other outlets are now getting "tough" on Trump, but merely calling out his constant lies isn't going to be enough to sway those disaffected voters who are only leaning Trump because they feel any change is good. While you make sound, logical arguments against Trump in this editorial, it will not resonate with anybody who even mildly feels the system is already "rigged" against them. The only way to sway these voters is to enlighten them to the one inescapable truth that will reveal Trump as a phony -- his tax returns.
It's time for the media to do its job and tell Trump, "No tax returns, no coverage. Period." It's time to put your duty to this country ahead of profits to shareholders. You owe this to the American people for the mockery made of this election. You owe this to our Constitutional right to free speech. You owe this to the salvation of journalistic integrity. Get to work.
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He wins and we can all kiss our retirement savings goodbye as investors run screaming and the stock market nosedives.
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The Times does not descend into hyperbole and rumor. As a long time reader, I absolutely appreciate the solid, fact-checked, reportage. I appreciate that the Times editorial staff thought long and hard about this piece before printing it. There is no conspiracy mongering or "winging-it" that we see in competitive outlets. Compared to the right-wing media - the scales are ridiculously lopsided.
We are comparing conversation inside the classroom to that happening at the college rathskeller after three beers.
That said - I am continually disheartened at the slow uptake with which reliable journalism locks into national trends. We are clearly now at a time in our history when things that "simply couldn't happen" keep happening. If I was writing a script for a quick, made for the internet movie it would go like this:
After decades of stability Russia modifies the political map of eastern Europe, while vaguely threatening the use of nuclear power in defending its aims. Meanwhile, in the U.S., a popular presidential candidate visibly supports Russia's anti-American aims in Europe, adopts racism as a leg of his platform, and suggests the undoing of western defense without the slightest hinderance.
While we have nothing to gain by fear mongering - one doesn't need to be a conspiracy theorist to imagine a train coming down the track upon which we are all standing.
We are comparing conversation inside the classroom to that happening at the college rathskeller after three beers.
That said - I am continually disheartened at the slow uptake with which reliable journalism locks into national trends. We are clearly now at a time in our history when things that "simply couldn't happen" keep happening. If I was writing a script for a quick, made for the internet movie it would go like this:
After decades of stability Russia modifies the political map of eastern Europe, while vaguely threatening the use of nuclear power in defending its aims. Meanwhile, in the U.S., a popular presidential candidate visibly supports Russia's anti-American aims in Europe, adopts racism as a leg of his platform, and suggests the undoing of western defense without the slightest hinderance.
While we have nothing to gain by fear mongering - one doesn't need to be a conspiracy theorist to imagine a train coming down the track upon which we are all standing.
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Your editorial assumes Trump followers think and are rational. There's your flaw - and there is America's problem.
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When someone is taunting you, label the taunting to yourself. It will help you stay on track.
"He is taunting."
"He is taunting."
The saddest thing about his entire electoral season has been the realization that a significant portion of our fellow citizens can be so gullible, bigoted, and/or unthinking as to support a man like Donald "The Con" Trump. It is disheartening.
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Yes , I will vote for HRC, would never vote for Trump. A very real possibility Trump is going to win. So many comments blaming "uneducated" voters for Trumps support.Blame should go to the DNC, for pushing such a flawed candidate, and undermining Bernie. If not Bernie, then Biden, or O'Malley, or practically any other Democrat. I have friends and co-workers who are educated, that are supporting Trump. Many are women. They fear HRC's ties to Wall Street, the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharm,the Medical Industry. Many are in their 50's, and lost their jobs during the recession. They do not want a "player" back in the White House. They would rather take their chances with The Clown. I know it is voting for the more evil one, but many people are leading lives of quiet desperation, and willing to take the chance.
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From the very beginning, he should have been given the same attention by the media as the third party Democratic candidates received. He also never should have been on the main debate stage for the Republicans, but I imagine there was some perceived monetary gain to be had from that arrangement for down ticket elections.
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A common naivete of Trump supporters is the myth that running a business is anything at all like being a political executive. They are completely different and expertise at one has little to do with the other.
But even if you disagree with that, Trump's business skills do not speak well of him. He's a failure who is constantly running from the collapse of his latest project. You wouldn't hire a plumber with his record, which looks more like that of a con man than an honest businessman. None of his past business partners would do business with him again -- that is, if he has not bankrupted them.
But even if you disagree with that, Trump's business skills do not speak well of him. He's a failure who is constantly running from the collapse of his latest project. You wouldn't hire a plumber with his record, which looks more like that of a con man than an honest businessman. None of his past business partners would do business with him again -- that is, if he has not bankrupted them.
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If I did not know better I would begin to think that the New York Times does not want Donald Trump to be President.
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Well, if you can't say something nice about somebody, don't say anything at all. What the Donald will get out of this is that he just got a huge editorial in the New York Times. Why give him any ink at all?
I set out to write something along the lines was, "If this is how ridiculous we've become, how low we've sunk, what's the 2020 election going to look like? Kanye for president? Kim Kardasian? Dr Phil?" But hard as I tried, I couldn't come up with anyone worse than Trump. He is literally the worst possible candidate, the most absurd, nastiest egocentric monster I can think of.
Thank you Rupert Murdoch and Fox News for the criminal dumbing down of America that you instigated.
Thank you Rupert Murdoch and Fox News for the criminal dumbing down of America that you instigated.
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In his time Washington was the indispensable man; Trump is the opposite today. The list of reasons why is long and documented, but too many will vote feelings rather than rational thinking. It does make many of us tremble for the future. I am not a Clinton admirer, but this choice is all too clear.
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It's a wonderfully written, logical, concise and well-reasoned argument against Trump. What's omitted is that the media is to blame for his success.
For example, when Gary "I promise not to get high while in office" Johnson appeared on The Today Show, if he had made a standard policy statement in regard to Syria, no news organization would have carried it. But since he didn't immediately recall what Aleppo is, that made the news. It was a major gaffe, and it was widely reported. And that's all we (the voters) hear about: the extraordinary. Hillary falls down due to illness, Trump insults someone new, Johnson doesn't remember the name of a Syrian city.
If the media focused on facts and platforms and ignored the ridiculous and the outrageous, Trump would never have gotten this far.
For example, when Gary "I promise not to get high while in office" Johnson appeared on The Today Show, if he had made a standard policy statement in regard to Syria, no news organization would have carried it. But since he didn't immediately recall what Aleppo is, that made the news. It was a major gaffe, and it was widely reported. And that's all we (the voters) hear about: the extraordinary. Hillary falls down due to illness, Trump insults someone new, Johnson doesn't remember the name of a Syrian city.
If the media focused on facts and platforms and ignored the ridiculous and the outrageous, Trump would never have gotten this far.
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In answer to your question: NO. That a substantial number of our fellow citizens embraces Trump is what I find most distressing. But I blame the mass media, including The New York Times, for the endless coverage of trump's every utterance and thus, allowing him parity with the more sensible candidates who competed in the campaign process.
Both the print and broadcast media legitimized this illegitimate candidate. Why? Because the mass media have morphed into less of the news business and more of the entertainment business. "If it bleeds it leads" dominates most news outlets. The public has been done a great disservice. Journalism hardly looks like the noble profession it once was. Corporate rule of the media message has irreparably tainted public discourse.
Perhaps one of the reasons so many citizens buy into the Trump bombast is that like him, they wish to game, mock and spite the status quo. Couldn't agree more with your analysis of why we shouldn't vote for Trump. But you need to ask yourselves again how we got here and whether a "mea culpa" is in there somewhere.
Both the print and broadcast media legitimized this illegitimate candidate. Why? Because the mass media have morphed into less of the news business and more of the entertainment business. "If it bleeds it leads" dominates most news outlets. The public has been done a great disservice. Journalism hardly looks like the noble profession it once was. Corporate rule of the media message has irreparably tainted public discourse.
Perhaps one of the reasons so many citizens buy into the Trump bombast is that like him, they wish to game, mock and spite the status quo. Couldn't agree more with your analysis of why we shouldn't vote for Trump. But you need to ask yourselves again how we got here and whether a "mea culpa" is in there somewhere.
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A Trump Presidency would be a disaster. Trump losing would be a nightmare: Trump, Roger Ailes, and Brietbart news form a television network featuring Donald Trump every night in prime time offering his criticism of the Clinton Administration - a ratings bonanza like nothing we've seen before.
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Mr. Trump is essentially the walking talking unfettered id of the most ignorant segment of our society. Thanks to him, the rest of us know how they truly feel about everything.
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Trump can count on a large number of voters because the GOP is welcoming to their extreme views, even as the GOP is ultimately controlled by the 0.1%
They welcome racists and promote racism, which has been on raw display by many GOP members of Congress during the Obama presidency. They welcome those obsessed with guns, those who would be the American Taliban with punitive anti-abortions laws, and those who deny science whether it is global warming or the age of the Earth. To name a few of the more visible groups.
They welcome racists and promote racism, which has been on raw display by many GOP members of Congress during the Obama presidency. They welcome those obsessed with guns, those who would be the American Taliban with punitive anti-abortions laws, and those who deny science whether it is global warming or the age of the Earth. To name a few of the more visible groups.
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Unfortunately Drump supporters like him because he expresses their views on all of the aforementioned issues. This is not an election, it's an I.Q. test.
If I were a Republican, I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to have him as my party's candidate. But I'm an Independent so I'm just terrified.
If I were a Republican, I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to have him as my party's candidate. But I'm an Independent so I'm just terrified.
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An old friend compared this election to the 1968 Johnson versus Goldwater race. A choice between the seriously flawed and completely unacceptable.
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I attended one of Mr. Trump’s rallies this summer just to get an unbiased opinion. White Power chants were so common.
Trump heard these chants, paused and then simply continued. If you did not stand up and cheer for Trump people would angrily stare at you, it was very scary.
Chants of “Oven Mitts” (a reference to Jews going in the oven when Trump is elected) and other horrible chants were common in the crowd. I was back in 1950.
Uneducated poor White males support Trump 87% according to a National Poll. But just one year of college drops Trump’s support among White Males down to 45%.
The lesson…Education basically stops Trump.
When you have to fear the crowd at a political rally (as I did!), it is clear you have a dangerous candidate.
Trump heard these chants, paused and then simply continued. If you did not stand up and cheer for Trump people would angrily stare at you, it was very scary.
Chants of “Oven Mitts” (a reference to Jews going in the oven when Trump is elected) and other horrible chants were common in the crowd. I was back in 1950.
Uneducated poor White males support Trump 87% according to a National Poll. But just one year of college drops Trump’s support among White Males down to 45%.
The lesson…Education basically stops Trump.
When you have to fear the crowd at a political rally (as I did!), it is clear you have a dangerous candidate.
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We the People ought to ask ourselves what civic virtues we want to see in the president of the United States. Truth-telling and promise-keeping are important civic virtues that are lacking in Donald Trump.
The GOP has mostly given us an intense politics of obstruction since inauguration night 2009. We the People ought to send a message of protest against that as well.
#VoteAgainstAllRepublicans
The GOP has mostly given us an intense politics of obstruction since inauguration night 2009. We the People ought to send a message of protest against that as well.
#VoteAgainstAllRepublicans
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Today your opinion piece confirmed two things for me — 1.) Clinton supporters are worried and 2.) Trump, with all his "bursts of false and outrageous allegations, personal insults, xenophobic nationalism, unapologetic sexism and positions that shift according to his audience and his whims" by some, are perceived to be his advantage.
Nothing of what you say matters to those who support "a guy who can shake up Washington." I learned this at a barbecue I attended last weekend. The other thing I learned is that among Trump supporters the level of dislike for Hillary is off the charts.
As people who pay attention to politics, my wife and I drove home from the barbecue scratching our heads and wondering, "Can Trump really win?" Just a few weeks ago all the talk was about a Clinton landslide. What happened?
Nothing of what you say matters to those who support "a guy who can shake up Washington." I learned this at a barbecue I attended last weekend. The other thing I learned is that among Trump supporters the level of dislike for Hillary is off the charts.
As people who pay attention to politics, my wife and I drove home from the barbecue scratching our heads and wondering, "Can Trump really win?" Just a few weeks ago all the talk was about a Clinton landslide. What happened?
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Trump would scuttle the whole ship of state.
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In Stephen King's excellent book (and movie) The Dead Zone, a man finds himself with the ability to see in people's minds, past, future, etc, simply by touching them. There is a character that is running for office and campaigning in his neighborhood, and he finds himself in the crowd and inadvertently shakes his hand and he "sees" that this candidate is going to destroy the world by instigating nuclear armageddon when he eventually becomes President. Our hero takes it upon himself to assassinate him when he speaks at a local church. As he is poised to pull the trigger, the candidate sees him and shields himself by grabbing a small child to hide behind and the defining cowardly moment is preserved by the local news media. That's all I have to say about that.
Donald Trump is the personification of reckless greed who manipulates the media with a Midas touch.
As a graduate of the University of Oregon School of Journalism, what's been most embarrassing about this campaign is how many lousy reporters there are in this country.
As a graduate of the University of Oregon School of Journalism, what's been most embarrassing about this campaign is how many lousy reporters there are in this country.
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The Trump followers have their roots in the republican party's hateful message they have whispered about for the past 30+ years, Trump is just shouting it out loud. They have become ingrained with thinking that blacks have taken from them, that every democrat is trying to take away their guns, that life saving regulations somehow have cost them a successful life and of course all Muslims want to kill them. We cannot change the minds of these uneducated men, but we can only hope that the ones with brains actually look and listen to what these two candidates are offering. One is offering the moon with no details, the other is offering a steady growth in our country. God help us if he suckers enough voters into believing him or if enough voters decide to vote 3rd party, which is just another way of voting for Trump.
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What disheartens me even more than Donald Trump himself, is that millions upon millions of Americans would read this Editorial, consider his legion of faults, and say to themselves, "Yes, that's exactly why he should be President".
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I predict the stock market will crash the day after the election if Mr. Trump wins. People in the market know that it runs on global trade. And they've seen how the combination of lowering taxes and increasing military spending affects the overall economy. Throw in impending deregulations and... well, the day after the election could be a very bad day for the market.
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As bad as Trump is, how worse is the Republican Party for selecting him as their presidential candidate?
Win or loose, they are going to have a hard time explaining that to the American people.
Win or loose, they are going to have a hard time explaining that to the American people.
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Too little, too measured, and hopefully not too late.
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A vote for Trump is like paying a dollar to "see the egress".
That this hate-filled blowhard has taken in so many Americans is a disturbing stain on our nation's character.
That this hate-filled blowhard has taken in so many Americans is a disturbing stain on our nation's character.
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This op-ed piece should be subtitled, "Let Us Count The Ways". There isn't enough space in the entire Sunday Edition to fill in the atrocious things that this worse candidate in the modern era brings to this debate. I've decided long ago this man is not worthy to be standing on the stage with someone who has been qualified to be president for decades.
As with Barack, being first is an awful hard road to hoe. For Hillary it is even harder. But there's no doubt here, she is the one.
DD
Manhattan
As with Barack, being first is an awful hard road to hoe. For Hillary it is even harder. But there's no doubt here, she is the one.
DD
Manhattan
He must not become our president. Get out the vote!!
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Unfortunately all the personality characteristics mentioned in the article are absolutely true. The real dilema is not that Trump is all you have described. The horrifying implication is that such a large proportion of our country actually considers his blatantly negative character to be a representation of their own beliefs!
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We are all aware that Trump is a rude ignorant ego maniac who will try and bully his way or mock his way through tonights debate.
Lester Holt is terrific, but if he calls out the lies and falsehoods from Trump there will be some who will blame his race ( they have already falsely accused him of his political affiliation.
So I have a suggestion: Put each candidate in a sound proof booth and when EITHER acts rudely or lies or fails to answer a question, then simply turn off their microphone.
It might be the quietest 90 minutes of the past year.
Lester Holt is terrific, but if he calls out the lies and falsehoods from Trump there will be some who will blame his race ( they have already falsely accused him of his political affiliation.
So I have a suggestion: Put each candidate in a sound proof booth and when EITHER acts rudely or lies or fails to answer a question, then simply turn off their microphone.
It might be the quietest 90 minutes of the past year.
On record for reviling handshakes with strangers, sometime soon Mr. Trump will turn on his heels and blow off his fellow Americans to retreat to his tower. "Who needs this?"
So are the people who didn't watch daytime Katie Couric those same critical thinkers loyal to Donald:
"And when it comes to establishing your world view, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this—to stay informed and to understand the world?"
So are the people who didn't watch daytime Katie Couric those same critical thinkers loyal to Donald:
"And when it comes to establishing your world view, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this—to stay informed and to understand the world?"
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New York Times have accepted that Donal Trump will be next president the head line speaks in a losing tone one to complain about.
Just an outsiders view.
Just an outsiders view.
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To me, Trump voters are like fire ants - they know the fire will destroy them, still they jump on the fire. This editorial very systematically explained the false perceptions of Trump candidacy and voters should look to the arguments and try to make their judgement. Most of the Trump voters are honest hardworking white Americans with rational thought - time has come for them to see the danger of the country from Trump. The partisan voting is not the sufficient reason to burn your own house - vote with consciousness.
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l would guess that half of Trump supporters are regular Republicans like Ted Cruz, who will hold their nose and vote their Tribe hoping that Trump will end up being a Conservative.
The rest of his people are voting for something you only hint at. They likely don't have a nuanced view of the world, they are "conservatives" whatever that means, who have been molded by "media". Their "tribe" is fungible depending on what leaders say. Budget deficit? hate it; Hillary Clinton? lock her up! Taxes? hate em! Family values? fight for em! Gun control? fight to the death for my gun! Hello! they are not reading the NYTimes.
They have been made angry by the for-profit media for a long time and they now want "Change". They want a strong leader. (Putin-like?). Perhaps they actually watched "The Apprentice" and felt empowered by "you're fired". The dangerous part of this is that Trump has opportunistically opened a Pandora's Box of anger not so unlike what Al-Quida or ISIS have done. It appears that he will say anything to make the sale. The Media (Media/Industrial/Complex) has facilitate this to a degree that is truly disturbing in democracy.
Your endorsement of Clinton is proper, but it is a little late to make positive statements after months of daily front page headline coverage of her email server, and long thoughtful unstudied articles about her policies once a month. Selling is about repetition like emails every day and Trump claims every day. This is not political dialogue.
The rest of his people are voting for something you only hint at. They likely don't have a nuanced view of the world, they are "conservatives" whatever that means, who have been molded by "media". Their "tribe" is fungible depending on what leaders say. Budget deficit? hate it; Hillary Clinton? lock her up! Taxes? hate em! Family values? fight for em! Gun control? fight to the death for my gun! Hello! they are not reading the NYTimes.
They have been made angry by the for-profit media for a long time and they now want "Change". They want a strong leader. (Putin-like?). Perhaps they actually watched "The Apprentice" and felt empowered by "you're fired". The dangerous part of this is that Trump has opportunistically opened a Pandora's Box of anger not so unlike what Al-Quida or ISIS have done. It appears that he will say anything to make the sale. The Media (Media/Industrial/Complex) has facilitate this to a degree that is truly disturbing in democracy.
Your endorsement of Clinton is proper, but it is a little late to make positive statements after months of daily front page headline coverage of her email server, and long thoughtful unstudied articles about her policies once a month. Selling is about repetition like emails every day and Trump claims every day. This is not political dialogue.
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Elect trump and rue the day.
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Trump is an ignorant, bigoted, loutish fool.
I used to be a Republican, but with the nomination of Trump I have decided to re-register as an independent.
The shame was too much to bear.
I used to be a Republican, but with the nomination of Trump I have decided to re-register as an independent.
The shame was too much to bear.
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Im just curios maybe someone can help me understand, who is actually taking this guy seriously? Why all the sudden is the greatest country on earth bowing down and allowing a laughing stock to represent us all around the world? A man with no reputable record for anything he has attempted and no more than a wanna be reality star is really a serious contender to lead the country. Is this really even an option for us, a country with already huge mounds of debt, violence in the streets and police officers shooting men in the streets like dogs and all we can do is elect a biggit with his own easy agenda to try and duct tape the problems we have at hand?
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You know, everybody has heard the contents of this article over and over. At this
point you're just preaching to the choir and giving him the attention he craves. It doesn't matter to a narcissist whether it's positive or negative, just so long as he gets it! So stop doing him the favor. We all know these arguments, why drag them out over and over?
point you're just preaching to the choir and giving him the attention he craves. It doesn't matter to a narcissist whether it's positive or negative, just so long as he gets it! So stop doing him the favor. We all know these arguments, why drag them out over and over?
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The U.S. is strong enough and resilient enough to survive long enough to deal with Trump legally should he be elected UNLESS he impulsively unleashes nuclear weapons or threatens to do so without the U.S. being attacked. There are no checks or balances on his ability to do that and even just threats to do so on his part could cause another country to preemptively launch. To me, he truly seems like a loose cannon.
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What makes Trump's entire campaign the most worrisome is that so many voters actually support and agree with his 'ideas'. This Editorial is clear and compelling, but let's face it, will a large percentage of his supporters actually read this article and take the time to reflect? Unfortunately, probably not.
My personal hope is that these 3 debates expose Trump for what he is: a game show host who talks a lot but has little or nothing to say. Maybe then, since it will be 'must-see-tv', his supporters will realize the dangerous situation we'll ALL be in should he become President.
My personal hope is that these 3 debates expose Trump for what he is: a game show host who talks a lot but has little or nothing to say. Maybe then, since it will be 'must-see-tv', his supporters will realize the dangerous situation we'll ALL be in should he become President.
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I would have thought the New York Times would have made a much stronger case against Trump. After all, Trump is a clear and Present Danger to the Times should he become the President and he expands libel laws or tries to muzzle the truth under the pretext of national security.
We are all running out of Time(s).
We are all running out of Time(s).
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Preaching to the choir, NYT. The issue isn't that Trump is unfit. The question we should be asking ourselves is: why are so many people willing to take the risk to vote for Trump? Something must be very wrong for them to do so. Many of these potential voters even acknowledge that he is crazy! We're missing something here, and it could cost us the election.
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You have to hand it to the GOP.
Their focus groups correctly decided that the way to win this election was to double down on the angry white vote fueled by radios in trucks.
They coyly suggested that they would be responding to changing demographics by appealing to minorities, when in reality they went the opposite direction.
America played for suckers again, just like 2002-2004.
Their focus groups correctly decided that the way to win this election was to double down on the angry white vote fueled by radios in trucks.
They coyly suggested that they would be responding to changing demographics by appealing to minorities, when in reality they went the opposite direction.
America played for suckers again, just like 2002-2004.
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Ross Douthat contrasts reactionary thought and its proneness to “real wickedness” with its assumptions, not always vindicated, on human nature and my thought is perhaps, in some way, it covers some of the distance to describe “Trumpism.” 4/23/16 The Reactionary Mind.
The assumptions include “the intractability of tribe and culture, the fragility of order, the evils that come in with capital-P Progress, the inevitable return of hierarchy, the ease of intellectual and aesthetic decline, the poverty of modern substitutes for family and patria and religion.” He notes that they are not always vindicated. But sometimes?
Trumpism does not reach the sophistication of the “neoreaction” online movement; Trumpism settles on a Twitter account to weave a web through a story telling stream of consciousness to assemble an “army of rabble.” The stream contains a bit of fact to justify racism, anti-Semitism, anti-immigration and is a thinly veiled proxy for the alt right.
It excites the army to light up the torches, grab the pitchforks and assemble at airplane hangars, arenas and stadiums and to unite in – Whoever the other is they are not like us and they don’t love us. The bit of fact is enough for them to assert “but we”re not racist …’
Trumpism appeals to “the other” zeitgeist and it is now a watershed moment for the republic of the United States. I hope and pray the better angels among us will vote strong and lead.
Dale C Korpi
The assumptions include “the intractability of tribe and culture, the fragility of order, the evils that come in with capital-P Progress, the inevitable return of hierarchy, the ease of intellectual and aesthetic decline, the poverty of modern substitutes for family and patria and religion.” He notes that they are not always vindicated. But sometimes?
Trumpism does not reach the sophistication of the “neoreaction” online movement; Trumpism settles on a Twitter account to weave a web through a story telling stream of consciousness to assemble an “army of rabble.” The stream contains a bit of fact to justify racism, anti-Semitism, anti-immigration and is a thinly veiled proxy for the alt right.
It excites the army to light up the torches, grab the pitchforks and assemble at airplane hangars, arenas and stadiums and to unite in – Whoever the other is they are not like us and they don’t love us. The bit of fact is enough for them to assert “but we”re not racist …’
Trumpism appeals to “the other” zeitgeist and it is now a watershed moment for the republic of the United States. I hope and pray the better angels among us will vote strong and lead.
Dale C Korpi
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I really cannot believe there are voters in this country that are undecided. Really. I know that during the primaries "undecideds" get the attention. And in my opinion that's why they are "undecideds."
But in this election, a person has to have had their head buried in the ground to be an "undecided!"
But in this election, a person has to have had their head buried in the ground to be an "undecided!"
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Here's one reason Donald Trump should not be president that you forgot to mention, from the pages of your own newspaper:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html
Here's the upshot if you don't want to go to the link: When Donald Trump was asked in July if he would serve if elected, he said "I'll let you know how I feel about it after it happens."
WHAT?!
The only accepted answer to that question would have been: "Yes, proudly, loyally, and diligently." But that was not his answer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html
Here's the upshot if you don't want to go to the link: When Donald Trump was asked in July if he would serve if elected, he said "I'll let you know how I feel about it after it happens."
WHAT?!
The only accepted answer to that question would have been: "Yes, proudly, loyally, and diligently." But that was not his answer.
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It appears a large percentage of voting age Americans, large enough to put fear into many civilized people all around the world, has decided Trump is a saint! He knows that, and being a master of exploitation and manipulation, he continues to be his true conning self! I am telling it like it is! One cannot put the blame on him, only on those who allow him to not only get away with it but in fact are only too happy to reward him with the highest possible prize, the Presidency of the United States of America!
Imagine if a year ago, you used your arguments against Trump on a regular basis. Instead, much of your Trump coverage was benign. You enjoyed the spectacle of Trump and whatever clicks is brought to your web site. Here we are less then two months from election day and you now have an editorial telling your readers that Trump is a danger to our country. You should have started ringing the alarm bell a long time ago.
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All anyone with a modicum of intelligence has to do is listen to Trump. He's a thin-skinned liar. He acts like a whining petulant child. Is this really the type of person we want in the White House?
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The irony of Trump's campaign slogan is not only will he not make America great but he will significantly damage our reputation internationally for a long time if he's elected. The truth is that his rise in the GOP shaped by his inflammatory language, retrograde ideas, and overt deceptions have drawn much global attention and already have diminished America in the eyes of the world. No matter what the election outcome, his domestic legacy will be his deepening and freezing in place America's political polarization for decades to come.
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Somehow the editors left out the single worst thing I've heard about Trump, and the reason I believe that he should not be president. His repeated question from security briefers something to the effect that: "what's the point of having nuclear weapons if we don't use them?" OMG. Is there a more clueless, shallow and frightening comment anywhere?
This guy is a shameful representative of his schools and colleges. We should be asking how a man can get to the age of 70-something without any sense of nuclear abomination, and about the education system that clearly failed him--not to mention the type of parents who raised such a spoiled brat.
This guy is a shameful representative of his schools and colleges. We should be asking how a man can get to the age of 70-something without any sense of nuclear abomination, and about the education system that clearly failed him--not to mention the type of parents who raised such a spoiled brat.
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Our society has forgotten the meaning of hard work, of study in a certain field, of grinding through adversity to reach your goal. People want the quick fix. They want immediate success without the time and the effort.The glitz and the glamour is the attraction. Immediacy and materialism is preferred to the patience and true values for all. That is why Mr. Trump is an increasing attraction to so many people. The citizens of this country don't want to take the time to understand the issues of the day. They don't have the intellect and patience.They want the glitzy quick fix. We will soon see if I am more wrong then right.
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To the Editors,
So which Trump will show up tonight?
"Trump the Destroyer" or "Trump the Moderator"?
Wait a minute, there IS no "Trump the Moderator", at least, none the public has seen. Yet this Mussolini wannabe is still polling strongly suggesting that whatever he spews forth will be well received by his "base" and what an accurate term that is (By definition the "lowest part of something").
I am a registered "independent" but I can't imagine anything Mr. Trump could say now that would make up for his 15 months of lies, hate mongering and xenophobia. That coupled with his dubious "business success" (Nice to have very wealthy parents) tell me this guy couldn't run an ice cream stand in a desert much less an entire country.
Ms. Clinton may have "carry on" baggage but Donald Trump has filled the entire aircraft with HIS heavy luggage which doesn't seem to matter a wit to his minions. Let's hope that November spells the end for this demagogue.
So which Trump will show up tonight?
"Trump the Destroyer" or "Trump the Moderator"?
Wait a minute, there IS no "Trump the Moderator", at least, none the public has seen. Yet this Mussolini wannabe is still polling strongly suggesting that whatever he spews forth will be well received by his "base" and what an accurate term that is (By definition the "lowest part of something").
I am a registered "independent" but I can't imagine anything Mr. Trump could say now that would make up for his 15 months of lies, hate mongering and xenophobia. That coupled with his dubious "business success" (Nice to have very wealthy parents) tell me this guy couldn't run an ice cream stand in a desert much less an entire country.
Ms. Clinton may have "carry on" baggage but Donald Trump has filled the entire aircraft with HIS heavy luggage which doesn't seem to matter a wit to his minions. Let's hope that November spells the end for this demagogue.
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Even the podium she custom-ordered for tonight's debate is one more Clinton facade. She is the complete package, nothing but lies and deceit.
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Vote for Trump if you want Mike Pence to be president. Trump utterly lacks the attention span or mind for detail needed in the job, and he doesn't want to move out of Trump Tower.
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What I hear from people who dread voting for Hillary (and I hope they still will) is that while Trump would be the worst President in history, the country will survive him because others in government will rein him in. I'm not so sure; maybe. But if his policies tip the scale even the least bit negatively on the economy, in the fragile recovery we're in, it could truly be disastrous.
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How do these accurate and compelling viewpoints get attended to by the relatively less interested electorate who are supporting Trump? What data penetrates their euphoric glee for this macho candidate? I really do not know! And I am scared.
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"Donald Trump is man who dwells in bigotry, bluster and false promises."
Yes, all true.
Hillary is a woman who dwells in bigotry (called 13M Americans deplorables). bluster (denied receiving and sending classified material thru her private email server), and false promises ( stated she won't support trade deals like the TPP she called 'golden' at one time).
She is no different than Trump.
Neither deserves to be our next president, they both lack integrity lie and are corrupt...the ONLY thing I can say that is acceptable about Trump is that he is not a politician. And it's evident Hillary loves her daughter - about the only trait I find acceptable about her.
Yes, all true.
Hillary is a woman who dwells in bigotry (called 13M Americans deplorables). bluster (denied receiving and sending classified material thru her private email server), and false promises ( stated she won't support trade deals like the TPP she called 'golden' at one time).
She is no different than Trump.
Neither deserves to be our next president, they both lack integrity lie and are corrupt...the ONLY thing I can say that is acceptable about Trump is that he is not a politician. And it's evident Hillary loves her daughter - about the only trait I find acceptable about her.
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As JustThinkin correctly commented, no amount of logic will sway the supporters who believe Trump is the answer to the their perceived plight. For at the heart of what Mr. Trump is selling is the doctrine of no consequence - whatever you don’t like about the country or your life, it’s not your fault. It’s Obama’s fault, the system is rigged, it’s because of somebody who doesn’t look like you, or somebody is just plain old being unfair to you. He panders to what is worst in all of us, and it is saddening to see the amount of buyers for what he is selling. So I agree that painting an emotional picture of the consequence of a Trump presidency is the correct strategy, as Trump’s business empire, such as it is, is built on employing the doctrine no consequence to the extreme. Make sure whatever goes wrong, it can be somebody else’s fault, make sure there is a fall guy. For America to fulfill its its potential for greatness for us all requires someone made of better stuff. America should never become somebody’s fall guy.
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Another commenter put it best:
"It's a little late for righteous indignation."
Maybe Trump will self-destruct, either tonight or some time else before the election. But if he doesn't, the Democratic Party should consider very seriously whether it bears some of the responsibility for the pickle we're in. The DP has offered voters a deeply flawed, uninspiring old war horse as an alternative. We often hear "the most qualified candidate in history" and that sort of thing, but we've head that many, many times before -- for example, about Stevenson, Humphrey, Mondale, and Gore. None of them won, and each time the Democratic Party looked at itself in the mirror after the election and changed direction.
Maybe it's time for that again. When a party's "leaders" are all pushing 70, or over 70 (Clinton, Sanders, Biden), maybe it's time to think about some new blood.
"It's a little late for righteous indignation."
Maybe Trump will self-destruct, either tonight or some time else before the election. But if he doesn't, the Democratic Party should consider very seriously whether it bears some of the responsibility for the pickle we're in. The DP has offered voters a deeply flawed, uninspiring old war horse as an alternative. We often hear "the most qualified candidate in history" and that sort of thing, but we've head that many, many times before -- for example, about Stevenson, Humphrey, Mondale, and Gore. None of them won, and each time the Democratic Party looked at itself in the mirror after the election and changed direction.
Maybe it's time for that again. When a party's "leaders" are all pushing 70, or over 70 (Clinton, Sanders, Biden), maybe it's time to think about some new blood.
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As deplorable a candidate that Donald Trump may be, and as deplorable a political party that the Republicans may be, such despicable and mendacious behavior pales in comparison to the rationals of "good" Americans who will vote for Trump. For those who do so, they will join the ranks of the 1930s "good" Germans who bemusedly welcomed Adolph Hitler to lead their country.
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I am presently working in a campaign office for a local democratic candidate and Sec. Clinton. What I cannot fathom are phone calls to individuals who say to me they are undecided ---undecided !!!! What makes matters worse is they do make comments about Trump that indicate they believe he is unhinged and yet, they continue to say they are on the fence. Everyday Trump shows us who he really is, there was no pivot and to add to this, there are so many social and economic indicators saying were are better now than 2008 --- again, just cannot get my head around being undecided.
Could the NY Times endorse Trump anymore than it already has? What's next get Romney out to condemn Trump again to boost his favorability ratings? Silly editors you play right into Trumps game. Do you think you've swayed one vote towards Hillary with this piece? After I read it I seriously contemplated voting for Trump based on the amount of bashing. (Don't worry Johnson is the only one I can pull the lever for in good conscience).
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Please, enough of accusing Mr. Trump of "mendacity." This is no time to demonstrate a command of an SAT-level vocabulary.
Just come out and say it: Mr. Trump is a serial liar.
Just come out and say it: Mr. Trump is a serial liar.
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I wish others in the Republican Party had the courage of George H W Bush.
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"...he made full use of available loopholes and paid no taxes."
That Der Donald T legally takes full advantage of every legally available tax dodge and loophole thereby not paying any taxes in certain years is an indictment against America's tax code, not against the GOP candidate. Der Donald T's past faux pas, his apparent complete and total ignorance of our Constitution and of the laws governing our nation, or how he just contemptuously ignores them while in the throws of one of his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic or delusional diatribes, his often displayed disdain for civility and rationality...there is a cornucopia of good and valid reasons to eschewing voting for Donald Trump, taking advantage of legal tax dodges and loopholes isn't one of them.
That Der Donald T legally takes full advantage of every legally available tax dodge and loophole thereby not paying any taxes in certain years is an indictment against America's tax code, not against the GOP candidate. Der Donald T's past faux pas, his apparent complete and total ignorance of our Constitution and of the laws governing our nation, or how he just contemptuously ignores them while in the throws of one of his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic or delusional diatribes, his often displayed disdain for civility and rationality...there is a cornucopia of good and valid reasons to eschewing voting for Donald Trump, taking advantage of legal tax dodges and loopholes isn't one of them.
Editorials don't matter. Only votes do. He/she who wins is qualified, it being the only requirement other than age and citizenship to be President. Deal with it.
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One thought on one reason this came to pass: It wasn't until two weeks ago that Good Morning America opened with a detailed (for network tv) story about Donald Trump's record on just about every factual thing in this editorial, notably his borderline--illegal financial dealings. Until then their coverage has been indifferent at best, a signal event when George Stephanupoulous asked Donald Trump when he would release his taxes and greeted the ridiculous answer about an audit with a simple, "Uh huh," and went on. I hope the mainstream media (and I have to confess Sarah Palin's description, "lame stream" media has occurred to me more than once) hasn't come to the table too late.
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Forgive my gross generalization here, but his election is about one thing only. A certain GGGeneration that has one foot in the grave and is determined to bring the country down with them. Kicking and screaming al the way down. Thanks for ruining it for everyone else.
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Oh please!
"...One could argue that this presidential race is between the most and least qualified candidates in history..."
The very same argument has been made many times. Perhaps Trump is "least qualified" -- that I'll grant -- but Hillary Clinton "most qualified?" The very same thing was said about (among many others) Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, and Al Gore. Maybe that was true about one, some, or even all, of them. But they all lost. That's "democracy" for you: Joe Sixpack gets his say too, and Joe Sixpack may define "most qualified" differently from how you define it.
"...One could argue that this presidential race is between the most and least qualified candidates in history..."
The very same argument has been made many times. Perhaps Trump is "least qualified" -- that I'll grant -- but Hillary Clinton "most qualified?" The very same thing was said about (among many others) Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, and Al Gore. Maybe that was true about one, some, or even all, of them. But they all lost. That's "democracy" for you: Joe Sixpack gets his say too, and Joe Sixpack may define "most qualified" differently from how you define it.
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Bruce Springsteen, to Rolling Stone:
Well, you know, the republic is under siege by a moron, basically. The whole thing is tragic. Without overstating it, it's a tragedy for our democracy. When you start talking about elections being rigged, you're pushing people beyond democratic governance. And it's a very, very dangerous thing to do. Once you let those genies out of the bottle, they don't go back in so easy, if they go back in at all. The ideas he's moving to the mainstream are all very dangerous ideas – white nationalism and the alt-right movement. The outrageous things that he's done – not immediately disavowing David Duke? These are things that are obviously beyond the pale for any previous political candidate. It would sink your candidacy immediately.
Well, you know, the republic is under siege by a moron, basically. The whole thing is tragic. Without overstating it, it's a tragedy for our democracy. When you start talking about elections being rigged, you're pushing people beyond democratic governance. And it's a very, very dangerous thing to do. Once you let those genies out of the bottle, they don't go back in so easy, if they go back in at all. The ideas he's moving to the mainstream are all very dangerous ideas – white nationalism and the alt-right movement. The outrageous things that he's done – not immediately disavowing David Duke? These are things that are obviously beyond the pale for any previous political candidate. It would sink your candidacy immediately.
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Germany had a leader like Trump in the period 1888 to 1918. That was Wilhelm II, or Kaiser Bill. The personality of Kaiser Bill was mercurial, his statements were outrageous, as least some of the time, and he was uncontrolled. The kaiser had a large role in starting WWI, under which we all suffer, even today. He told people (afterward) that he did not want the War. Still, he started it out of carelessness and wild statements. Trump fits this caracter description better than any previous US candiate for president. No matter what Trump promises, he will lead the US into a disaster, far worse than anyone can imagine. Do not vote for Trump, no matter what he promises!
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I am sorry for Secy. Clinton. She deserves a debate opponent commensurate with her superior intellect and abilities. Instead, she must stand on a debate stage with a person more concerned with his vanity than the country.
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Wouldn't it be nice if we could go back in time with our current knowledge in tow, and start the primary process all over again with debate moderators with balls?
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"I pay no taxes....and so can you... once you enroll at one of America's newest and most exciting colleges: Trump University !"
Learn all about The Art of The Don Con
And Let's Make America Great Again...by bankrupting it intellectually, morally....and most importantly, economically.
TRUMP 2016...."what have you got to lose, sucker ?"
Learn all about The Art of The Don Con
And Let's Make America Great Again...by bankrupting it intellectually, morally....and most importantly, economically.
TRUMP 2016...."what have you got to lose, sucker ?"
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After reading the NYT editorial in support of Clinton, and now this editorial of a case against Trump... It is clear that the Clinton nomination is supported as a lessor of two evils. It is a big ask...
Dismiss Clinton's legalese reaction over her classified email and server choices. Don't ask about failed neoconservative middle east policy that the DNC and Obama through his executive office have carried over from the Bush administration. Do not question repeated Obama rebukes and refusals to military generals of their military strategy and troop deployment requests. In other words, ignore eight years of negligible progress to end middle esst conflict that America must resolve, for it began destabilizing the region eith a second invasion of Iraq, post 9/11.
The NTY is essentially asking voters to embrace the continuation of a foreign policy administration that has handcuffed military leadership, spent billions, and produced no results... Because betting on an unknown Presidential administration led by Trump is a greater threat.... Because Trump does not have the capability to articulate a path forward for America.
"Better the devil you know than the one you don't." is hardly an inspirational rallying cry to voters... But... That really may very well be as good as it gets.
Dismiss Clinton's legalese reaction over her classified email and server choices. Don't ask about failed neoconservative middle east policy that the DNC and Obama through his executive office have carried over from the Bush administration. Do not question repeated Obama rebukes and refusals to military generals of their military strategy and troop deployment requests. In other words, ignore eight years of negligible progress to end middle esst conflict that America must resolve, for it began destabilizing the region eith a second invasion of Iraq, post 9/11.
The NTY is essentially asking voters to embrace the continuation of a foreign policy administration that has handcuffed military leadership, spent billions, and produced no results... Because betting on an unknown Presidential administration led by Trump is a greater threat.... Because Trump does not have the capability to articulate a path forward for America.
"Better the devil you know than the one you don't." is hardly an inspirational rallying cry to voters... But... That really may very well be as good as it gets.
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It's no coincidence that Trump's rise in the polls began at the moment this paper began hammering Clinton on her emails and family foundation. Without a shred of proof of wrongdoing, the Times claimed smoke where there was no fire—quite literally in the case of headlines that described "clouds" around Ms. Clinton's character. Eventually it took the rival Washington Post (which has embarrassed the Times's Trump coverage with actual reporting on his many sins) to point out the obvious unprofessional obsession the Paper of Record had in tearing Clinton down, though the NYT's Public Editor elected to go into a defensive crouch over the matter instead of addressing the issue head on. Since then—with the horse well out of the barn—the NYT has promised to hold Trump to his lies. How nice, except it should have done so from the beginning instead of waiting until after it had been publicly shamed. The Times's coverage of Trump has been on par with its leading the charge to war in the Iraq—a stain on journalism—and now its editorial board has the chutzpah to speak of Trump's mendacity. This paper is no less self-serving than the man it attacks here.
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I think there is a problem with the media in there effort to be fair and balanced. If Clinton has a hang nail and Trump has pancreatic cancer, then the headline presented is that they are both "damaged goods". Problem is a large part of the population reads "damaged goods" and are unable to derive any further distinction.
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He's an ignorant snake oil salesman, con-man supreme. You wouldn't entrust a hot dog cart to this clown- much less the presidency. Wake up america.
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If only the editorial board would apply the same analysis to Hillary. Taking money from countries that kill gays, she won't release her wall street speeches, her failed policies in the middle east her stories she told the FBI on her email scandal the the director pointed out in testimony she did not tell the truth. Many more things Hillary did while in and out of office. Trump has never been in office and being judged on what he might do. We know what Hillary did and none of it very commendable.
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Voters should also realize that the Republican Party nominated this man, who in fact stands for--as so nicely outlined here--their adopted platform of favoring the rich and oppressing the poor, fearmongering xenophobia, and all the rest. Down-ticket candidates should also be rejected merely on principle due to this hateful, backwards platform. This is not where the country should be going...any more. Take back Congress to stop the madness.
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"Our presidents are role models for generations of our children. Is this the example we want for them?" No, it is not. But then President Bill Clinton continues to be a horrible role model. He was impeached for lying, it runs in the family. R. Miller stated it very well about Ms. Clinton-- "'Would you be proud of her as your role model?' The queries require making a preference between a Harlequin and a congenital liar. Responsible advisors can influence a fool. A habitual liar's DNA cannot be altered. No, Trump is not the role model I want for my children, but neither is Clinton...You have to be able to trust someone to respect them." I wouldn't want my children to view either of the two as role models, but if I were forced to choose, I would ALWAYS pick someone other than a Clinton. They cannot be trusted, either one of them.
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I see The Donald as the US version of Hugo Chavez, promising everything to the masses. And now look at the mess Venezuela is in.
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This editorial is too little too late.
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Trump has not coarsened our politics we have. By electing the likes of Anthony Weiner, Dennis Hastert, Tom Delay, etal in the past and are replacing them with more of the same. There are very few people in public life that appeal to our better angels. I agree with the comment that the media has made him the candidate, as well as both the Republicans and Democrats, by making sure that the voting public are inundated with sensationalism, not leadership. Shame on all of us.
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'God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America.'
(Bismarck)
This is, basically, a way to make George W. Bush look like a good President.
In one season Trump seems to have up-ended the whole awful applecart, and shown to the World (and the US, obviously) the sneering nasty skull underneath the benign (?) surface of too many of the US voting public.
If he does get in, (I hate even thinking those words) there will be no advantages and a million disadvantages.
(Bismarck)
This is, basically, a way to make George W. Bush look like a good President.
In one season Trump seems to have up-ended the whole awful applecart, and shown to the World (and the US, obviously) the sneering nasty skull underneath the benign (?) surface of too many of the US voting public.
If he does get in, (I hate even thinking those words) there will be no advantages and a million disadvantages.
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What this piece shows is the enormity of Trump's deception and how listing all of the dangers he poses to our nation has gotten near impossible. You mention that his budget proposal will add roughly 3 trillion to the deficit, while Hillary's plan will be in the billions--and hers comes with viable funding options. If it still is the economy stupid, why hasn't the Clinton campaign and the press brought this matter front and center? Trump's name-calling, lying and list of evils seem to be a smoke screen for the truth that could sink him: he will bankrupt the USA as he has so many of his companies, with low- and middle-income Americans footing bill, as the wealthy, like Trump himself, reap the spoils of our nation's financial ruin.
Give the People What They Want...
Change is Gonna Come.
Change is Gonna Come.
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That the Times even needs to explain that Trump should not be elected IS the problem. This is the lead that continues to get buried throughout the election. We live in a social and economic climate that, by and large, isn't Weimar Germany, and yet similarly we have a population of people-- buoyed by fear and intolerance-- as large as it is willing to vote in a demagogue, or at least someone playing the role of the strongman in order to get elected. Even if this particular one doesn't get elected, how long is it going to be before the next one comes along with the right formula who does? What does this say for the future of this country?
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Donald Trump will scream that this editorial is character assassination.
But Donald Trump has no character. What the editors have presented is a collection of inarguable facts. I wish they had started the process of revealing this self-absorbed bedlamite sooner.
But Donald Trump has no character. What the editors have presented is a collection of inarguable facts. I wish they had started the process of revealing this self-absorbed bedlamite sooner.
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The legitimate, thoughtful, factual news has lost a major portion of the American voter and garbage cable news entertainment has taken over. Entertainment over education. That is why Trump might win.
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You've taken the headlines and sound bites that everyone else has read or heard during the last 12 months and used them to form your opinion. Then you broadcast your opinion from the NY Times. Because you know that folks who read this rag believe that they know everything about the disgraceful life beyond their own capacity, and as such stay within their own capacity mocking an imaginary condition and condemning those who have been seen, effectually from your point of view, believing it.
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No surprise here. The New York Times editorial board is constantly preaching to the choir.
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I suspect your next column will be titled, "Why You Should Not Drink Gasoline." I don't understand why our country is even considering this man to be the leader of the free world. Something is very wrong here. We need to find out what that is and work to correct the problem.
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I will relish the NYT Editorial on November 9th when Trump wins...I can hear the knashing of teeth already.
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"Our presidents are role models for generations of our children. Is [Trump] the example we want for them?" Apparently yes.
America's royalty has always been Hollywood stars. Recently America has moved on to Reality TV...the more absurd the better. America respects, admires, (aspires to be) duck hunters, Jersey shore drunks, the boss who can fire anyone unwilling to kiss their as if this is fulfillment of the American dream.
Trump represents the worst America has to offer and he appeals to the worst in America. Holding him up as a model will precipitate an American decline, a potential fall.
America's royalty has always been Hollywood stars. Recently America has moved on to Reality TV...the more absurd the better. America respects, admires, (aspires to be) duck hunters, Jersey shore drunks, the boss who can fire anyone unwilling to kiss their as if this is fulfillment of the American dream.
Trump represents the worst America has to offer and he appeals to the worst in America. Holding him up as a model will precipitate an American decline, a potential fall.
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Superb editorial. You are preaching to the choir. Another point is how polls are conducted.1500 published random landline numbers across the country are called. The majority of this country uses mobile phones and the phone numbers are not available. These polls are not accurate. The population who uses landlines are mainly elderly.
I was looking forward to this editorial, and I am sorely disappointed.
This is a knife-fight, it's two minutes to midnight, and you're treating this like an academic seminar.
If you don't know how to write an attack piece, I humbly offer my services.
Or ask Sam Harris. He has put out a few podcasts which properly address the Trump phenomenon.
This is a knife-fight, it's two minutes to midnight, and you're treating this like an academic seminar.
If you don't know how to write an attack piece, I humbly offer my services.
Or ask Sam Harris. He has put out a few podcasts which properly address the Trump phenomenon.
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Donald Trump as president consistently brings to mind the classic Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life." Here a review that is spot on:
This is a portrayal of a nightmare. It's one of those things where you hope you'll wake up. It's about an entire community that has been taken over by a child brat who is totally self centered and sociopathic. He probably doesn't realize the error of his ways. Any effort to educate him would result in being "sent to the cornfield." This is a state of limbo. When your adversary has no conscience, he cannot be approached in a rational way. This story is about fear. Not only are the people under constant threat, the world the boy is creating is one that is becoming bleak and vacuous. We never know if he has the power to bring things back, but it appears not. We know at some point he will be all that is left. Everyone has a breaking point. Billy Mumy is a great choice for the child monster. The other characters sweat and frown. In their efforts to survive they have the constant mantra "That was a good thing you did. A real good thing." This is an episode of the Twilight Zone where we never get to relax. See it if you never have.
This is a portrayal of a nightmare. It's one of those things where you hope you'll wake up. It's about an entire community that has been taken over by a child brat who is totally self centered and sociopathic. He probably doesn't realize the error of his ways. Any effort to educate him would result in being "sent to the cornfield." This is a state of limbo. When your adversary has no conscience, he cannot be approached in a rational way. This story is about fear. Not only are the people under constant threat, the world the boy is creating is one that is becoming bleak and vacuous. We never know if he has the power to bring things back, but it appears not. We know at some point he will be all that is left. Everyone has a breaking point. Billy Mumy is a great choice for the child monster. The other characters sweat and frown. In their efforts to survive they have the constant mantra "That was a good thing you did. A real good thing." This is an episode of the Twilight Zone where we never get to relax. See it if you never have.
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Good editorial, but you are not telling us anything new. First, those who are going to vote for Trump don't read the NYT. Second, those who DO read the NYT don't need convincing. Many people don't read at all. Could be the downfall of our nation. Our nation will fall someday, but it would be a shame to have it fall due to the actions of a blustering goofball.
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If Trump were to become president, the nation will learn soon the folly and he will likely be impeached for the many many possibilities. That will pave the way for a real, honest, knolwedgeable and caring politician - the likes of Warren to run and win, much like Obama won after the ruineuous disaster of the W (who took a surplus, a tragedy and sold the nation for the oil industry leaving the main tasks like getting OBL for Obama to compelete. Prospect of Warren and Sanders were interrupted by the uninspiring Hillary this year. The blood of Trump presidency would lie in part with those who voted for Hillary in primary because she was a woman and nothing else.
Something good always comes after the bad.
Something good always comes after the bad.
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The better question is why either are in to this point. The answer points to the DNC and RNC. The DNC had crowned Clinton before the primary vote was cast. They poured cash and super delegates on her. Webb could have made a great president but dropped out early realizing the primaries were a sham. He would have also been seen as trustworthy. He is a man who covered a fellow marine with his own body to save him from a grenade. Trump would not be even near him at this point and certainly wouldn't intimidate him. If the DNC had run a meaningful primary, they might have taken note of Vermont voters there who said they voted for a person they could trust and who was trustworthy. Saunders won with 87% of the votes. The RNC Picked Bush. They poured tons of money on him. The debates sunk him. Others fell by the wayside as shallow. Carson hung on to support because he was perceived as honest. Eventually his lack of experience caught up with him That left Trump and Cruz. It was no contest at that point. Cruz wants everyone living under his code of morality and religion. So now we are waiting for a debate between two people who shouldn't even be here now. We have the DNC and the RNC to thank for this mess.
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It's no surprise to me that parties may have a preference. It's always been so. And often the party's preference is someone who is popular with people. So does the party back a popular choice or does party create the popular choice. Back both Clinton and Bush were ahead in the polls.
So the DNC and RNC are to blame? Didn't you say that the RNC was behind Bush? And don't forget Clinton also when the delegate from the popular vote regardless of Bernie's supporters cries. And despite Saunder's "trustworthiness" he A) was anti-Democrate and a socialist, and B) simply didn't have the experience the Clinton brought to the election.
So the DNC and RNC are to blame? Didn't you say that the RNC was behind Bush? And don't forget Clinton also when the delegate from the popular vote regardless of Bernie's supporters cries. And despite Saunder's "trustworthiness" he A) was anti-Democrate and a socialist, and B) simply didn't have the experience the Clinton brought to the election.
The right wing of this country has lost it's moral compass entirely if they can't see this man's obvious and numerous moral failings. Meanwhile, the rest of us are left helplessly hoping that they will snap out of their delusional understanding of American politics in time to avoid catastrophe on November 8th. The party of Lincoln and Reagan is now the party of Trump and Palin. What a shame.
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As much as I agree with your Editorial NYT it is time to stop regurgitating Trump's obvious disqualifications. All the Opinion Pages, Editorials and articles in the NYT and other news organizations has just been preaching to the choir.
It is time for Hillary Clinton to get under Trumps skin and keep poking at him by e.i. bringing up the Birther movement. One can't make a bigot, racist, liar admit his own faults or convince his followers that he is. Self destruction is the only for Trump to go down in flames.
It is time for Hillary Clinton to get under Trumps skin and keep poking at him by e.i. bringing up the Birther movement. One can't make a bigot, racist, liar admit his own faults or convince his followers that he is. Self destruction is the only for Trump to go down in flames.
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There are two reasons for voting for Donald Trump: Bigotry (including women who think the Presidency is a man's job) and Gullibility.
There is no reason why this column wasn't run 12 months ago.
There is no reason why this column wasn't run 12 months ago.
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The basket of deplorable state are not reading the NYT
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Who edited this? One, not even Donald Trump, does not "troll" for something he wants, which in this case is more voters. You meant "trawl" for undecided voters. More importantly, discerning people agree that Trump is spectacularly unqualified to be president. This editorial presents no new insight into why his supporters are suspending their disbelief. It does present a comprehensive round-up of Trump's various inadequacies and incompetencies.
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In the modern vernacular Trump is what is known as a troll the way he uses twitter. Also in my American Heritage dictionary the first definition of troll v. is to fish for by trailing a baited line.... So it seems that in a rush to find fault the log must first be removed from thine own eye there G.
The Editorial Board states, "Mr. Trump, who has no experience in national security, declares that he has a plan to soundly defeat the Islamic State militants in Syria, but won’t reveal it, bobbing and weaving about whether he would commit ground troops. Voters cannot judge whether he has any idea what he’s talking about without an outline of his plan, yet Mr. Trump ludicrously insists he must not tip off the enemy." It is hard to know whether this is a legitimate criticism or not. I wonder what the Editorial Board would have done during WW II if Eisenhower had refused to give any indication that D Day was coming and what it would be all about. As the King of Jordan has said recently, we are in WW III. Do we really want to put our planning for the conduct of our defense in that war on the front page of the New York Times? It looks as if the Editorial Board is letting its distaste for Trump override its good judgment and common sense.
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Eisenhower was a general, not a draft-dodger who doesn't even have the guts to admit he's bold.
But he's still going to be.
It's in the cards.
It's in the cards.
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Clearly Hillary Clinton is struggling to defeat this totally unqualified contender for the job that she has been preparing for her entire career, right after she had to work hard to remove Bernie Sanders from biting at her heels. Astonishingly, nearly half the voters polled think that Trump is a good alternative to Clinton.
So your tactic is not to convince that Hillary is the best choice, but to tear down her opponent. This will not work. Hillary is the problem as she lugs around decades of baggage and makes herself a laughingstock with her raised podiums, endless dancing around the truth with her emails, health - and Bill's terrible reputation.
So your tactic is not to convince that Hillary is the best choice, but to tear down her opponent. This will not work. Hillary is the problem as she lugs around decades of baggage and makes herself a laughingstock with her raised podiums, endless dancing around the truth with her emails, health - and Bill's terrible reputation.
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"Being Presidential" is not something you turn on and off. I'm tired of journalists and cable pundits discuss Trump acting "Presidential" in this or that instance, in front of this world leader, or whether he acted that way for the length of a television interview (or Debate).
Sec. Clinton IS "Presidential", 24/7, it's not an act or a "trick" her campaign has had to force her to do.
This is the Presidency of the US, not a scripted reality show.
Sec. Clinton IS "Presidential", 24/7, it's not an act or a "trick" her campaign has had to force her to do.
This is the Presidency of the US, not a scripted reality show.
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People are angry. They have good reasons to be angry. Until the "elites" realize this, you are going to have either Trump (or similar) running for office and sooner or later getting elected. If this organization spent a fraction of the time and energy listening to the people instead of sneering and lecturing, the 2016 Presidential campaign would have been different.
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Newsflash Maureen: Trump is an "Elite"!!!
He tells you how rich he is. He has buildings named after him. He flies in private 757 so he doesn't have mixed with the merely rich or frequent fliers in First Class. He is chauffeured around. He has houses and penthouses and resorts and properties around the world so he doesn't have to mix with commoners. He has spent his life separating himself from the very people who somehow believe that he is one of them, will be there for them, and will make things better for them.
He tells you how rich he is. He has buildings named after him. He flies in private 757 so he doesn't have mixed with the merely rich or frequent fliers in First Class. He is chauffeured around. He has houses and penthouses and resorts and properties around the world so he doesn't have to mix with commoners. He has spent his life separating himself from the very people who somehow believe that he is one of them, will be there for them, and will make things better for them.
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Not a single mention of how a Trump presidency would affect a woman's right to choose, his remark that women should "be punished" for choosing their own destiny and his Supreme Court appointments which would undoubtedly unravel Roe v Wade.
Hello Nyt. This is a central issue.
Also, we could have used this article 6-8 months ago!! Where have you BEEN on the derelict behavior of Trump? The MSM's silence or demurring on the horror of him has allowed him to reach these heights he is now with his hand on the door knob of the White House.
Hello Nyt. This is a central issue.
Also, we could have used this article 6-8 months ago!! Where have you BEEN on the derelict behavior of Trump? The MSM's silence or demurring on the horror of him has allowed him to reach these heights he is now with his hand on the door knob of the White House.
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Stop and frisk as a general police technique has not been "ruled unconstitutional." Talk about telling likes.
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The editorial properly gives those of us considering Trump for President serious pause. He has flaws and has said some politically incorrect things. But this we know, he has never broken the law, secreted a private server in his basement, destroyed thousands of work related emails under subpoena, been responsible for the Benghazi coverup which killed 4 Americans, and on and on and on. It is a binary choice. Trump gets my vote only because I dislike and distrust the other candidate more. It is close....but Trump is a tad more palatable.
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How can there be any undecided voters left? This campaign has been going on for two years...we all know what there is to know about these two candidates.
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THank you! The NYT has been beating the drum against DT for months, chip by chip, stroke by stroke! This piece finally boils down his entire characher for all to see. This is the article which should run every day until the election!!!
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The Times is preaching to the choir. Trump's ascendency is the failure of our public schools writ large. The majority of Americans lack the critical thinking skills to grasp the arguments put forth in this editorial. Until we fix our dismal educational system, there will be more Trumps.
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Bravo for an excellent editorial. But you left out his ties and leanings towards anti-Semitic groups (despite his Jewish son-in-law and newly converted daughter). Whether his bigotry is heartfelt or simply cynical attempts to attract his "base" voters---the result is just as evil.
Trump doesn't have the civics knowledge of a 7th grader; this man-child has spent literally his entire life in his self absorbed pursuit of wealth, power and pleasure.
The idea of him being commander in chief is truly frightening.
Trump doesn't have the civics knowledge of a 7th grader; this man-child has spent literally his entire life in his self absorbed pursuit of wealth, power and pleasure.
The idea of him being commander in chief is truly frightening.
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While I am a supporter or Hillary, I think you and others are wasting your publishing articles like this in the NYT. The NYT readers are already in large part, Clinton supporters. Get your message out where it counts!
Donald Trump is the Oogie Boogie man from Nighmare Before Christmas. His outward appearance is that of a human being, but try as he may to maintain that appearance, the ugly bugs inside his cloth suit keep squirming out. I've seen (and heard) enough of Trump's ugly bugs to know that, like the Ooogie Boogie man, there's nothing inside him except for those bugs. Can't imagine a creature like this as our national leader. What does it say about our country that his becoming president is a real possibility?
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You could go on and on why Trump shouldn't be president. And most reasonable people will agree on the spot that Trump would be bad for America. In so many different ways, that it is hard to tell how much damage he could really do.
You should always have a look at people's motives. And for most other Presidents and candidates I would assume that one motive was to make America a better place and lead the country into a better future. Of course for some of them vanity and pride may have played a role, after all the are just human. But looking at Trump the only motive that comes to mind is personal gain, Trump likes to be a leader and he likes to make money. His slogan "Make America Great Again" is nice marketing, but that is all it is. Trump has no plan or vision for America. He doesn't care about America's greatness, he cares about money, his money. With his racist and xenophobic policy ideas he is a traitor to what America really stands for. Inclusion and opportunity for all. Don't let him fool you. Don't let him destroy what really made America great. The people, all people.
You should always have a look at people's motives. And for most other Presidents and candidates I would assume that one motive was to make America a better place and lead the country into a better future. Of course for some of them vanity and pride may have played a role, after all the are just human. But looking at Trump the only motive that comes to mind is personal gain, Trump likes to be a leader and he likes to make money. His slogan "Make America Great Again" is nice marketing, but that is all it is. Trump has no plan or vision for America. He doesn't care about America's greatness, he cares about money, his money. With his racist and xenophobic policy ideas he is a traitor to what America really stands for. Inclusion and opportunity for all. Don't let him fool you. Don't let him destroy what really made America great. The people, all people.
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So it's come to this. this long excruciating road to the election.
When we are weeks and scant points away from a Trump Presidency, when we are hoping for a Buckley v. Vidal debate moment when Buckley becomes unhinged and shows his vicious antisemitic and homophobic self on live TV?
That's what we need for Hillary to win? She just can't know her stuff and tell her story and display her experience and put forth the Democratic platform?
She has to somehow crush a man the GOP has created? A Frankenstein? Who says? She must be who she is - an intelligent, educated, experienced woman who is ready and able to take on the responsibilities of the office of President.
When we are weeks and scant points away from a Trump Presidency, when we are hoping for a Buckley v. Vidal debate moment when Buckley becomes unhinged and shows his vicious antisemitic and homophobic self on live TV?
That's what we need for Hillary to win? She just can't know her stuff and tell her story and display her experience and put forth the Democratic platform?
She has to somehow crush a man the GOP has created? A Frankenstein? Who says? She must be who she is - an intelligent, educated, experienced woman who is ready and able to take on the responsibilities of the office of President.
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Perhaps THE greatest reason why Trump MUST not be president (nor Pence vice-president) is because, to paraphrase a slogan from a past campaign, "It's the courts, stupid."
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Yes! Yes! Cry the people! Extra fat dripping from my bacon with a side of grease! Me no think, me cram bacon in head hole and swallow no chew. Having a debate at all is a tribute to the hilarious, quirky ingenious, fat hole stuffer brilliance of our generation. Koudos to us all for thumbing our collective snouts to history, intelligence, equality, and the foundation built by those before us. The constitution is a mere slab of Velveeta our forefathers left for us to melt on our lard blob before it drips down our chin. How so many have disregarded its' gooey flavored parchment. Our children will remember us as THE CHANGE MAKERS , the wise ones, the ones who finally got it right!!!! Trump Bacon for the masses, no napkins required. Sluuurp.
Nice editorial, and I agree, but you're preaching to the choir.
Really, there is no choice in this election. Both candidates are seriously flawed. But that is what we've asked for, right? The world at large laughs at our hypocracy as we "promote American values" and try to "insure democracy" and then have to choose between these two clowns.
The Times therefore is making the same mistake I believe it made 3 years ago in the mayoral race. Endorsing someone, instead of endorsing no one. Making a case for someone instead of saying "this is the lesser of two evils", and using the space to deplore...and hopefully suggest remedies...for the state of a political system that delivers these two choices.
Really, there is no choice in this election. Both candidates are seriously flawed. But that is what we've asked for, right? The world at large laughs at our hypocracy as we "promote American values" and try to "insure democracy" and then have to choose between these two clowns.
The Times therefore is making the same mistake I believe it made 3 years ago in the mayoral race. Endorsing someone, instead of endorsing no one. Making a case for someone instead of saying "this is the lesser of two evils", and using the space to deplore...and hopefully suggest remedies...for the state of a political system that delivers these two choices.
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If only the lion's share of Trump supporters read the New York Times but sadly, they don't.
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A great businessman should run the country? In New Hampshire we elected Craig Benson as governor in 2002. He founded and built a big business - Calbetron - then sold it for hundreds of millions. So he was a good businessman. He promised to run the state government like a business - balance the budget, fix the bureaucracy, make things more efficient, etc.
His term was a mess - he knew nothing of politics, how to work with legislators to make things happen. He was a top-down authority guy, and it didnt work. He alienated everyone he needed to work with. He was voted out in the next election, with a statewide sigh of relief.
He was defeated by John Lynch, an effective middle of the road politician. Yes, a politician, and an honest, straight talking, working to get things to happen effectively kind of politician. He served 4 terms, the only governor here to get that kind of public support. He only retired from government because he decided it would be better to step aside and let new blood come in. He probably could have been re-elected for life.
I just dont see Donald as being anything like that.
His term was a mess - he knew nothing of politics, how to work with legislators to make things happen. He was a top-down authority guy, and it didnt work. He alienated everyone he needed to work with. He was voted out in the next election, with a statewide sigh of relief.
He was defeated by John Lynch, an effective middle of the road politician. Yes, a politician, and an honest, straight talking, working to get things to happen effectively kind of politician. He served 4 terms, the only governor here to get that kind of public support. He only retired from government because he decided it would be better to step aside and let new blood come in. He probably could have been re-elected for life.
I just dont see Donald as being anything like that.
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Everyone is fixated on Trump, but not why he is here. It's establishment politics on both sides. The sell outs like Howard Dean and Debbie WS, and the usual band of Republicans who prop up the banksters and corporations at the expense of their blue collar conservative voters. Everyone is disgusted by the rigged system. Income inequality is out of control. Feral capitalism is the norm and often justified. The news media is a joke with it's access driven obsequiousness to politicians and it's moral equivalency. Trump is just the persona of all these rotten things that have happened to this country.
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Like Trump this editorial is overkill. Yes, all these endless offenses are so and all I can think of is that tonight at the first debate Trump will reiterate his false accusation that Hillary was the first Birther and we will have one more reason to have done with this evil incursion. But if this happens it will merely validate what has worked from day one of this godforsaken chapter in our history. He will have found yet another way to obfuscate with big lies. This is a judgment on us all. Let's hope the election cleanses us a bit.
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Hillary Clinton deserves to be President because she stood by her husband during the Troubles. She has shown that she is loyal and is a fighter for family values as she stood strong to keep her family together.
Hillary Clinton deserves her time as President.
Hillary Clinton deserves her time as President.
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Who dwells in condescension, high drama whining and mendacity as default mode? The Clintonian Candidate, that's who. She the wholly owned subsidiary of the bankster class that her opponent has scammed and flummoxed. She the greasy palm accepting graft from middle eastern apostles of terror and anti-semitism. She the enabler of an abuser, whom she defends while she attacks the women he abused. She the striver, the climber, so desperate to be accepted into the class she serves diligently. She the unworthy, she the horrible public resume, she the savant without common sense. She the unacceptable. Send a message to her and her corrupt party. Vote Green and remain clean.
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Republican leadership started the dark portrayal of this country Trump used to energize his constituency. They succeeded far beyond their expectations as this constituency not only believed them, but also considered them as part of the problem. Mr Trump is their creation over which they have no control. You can urge people to look at Trump's record but his supporters couldn't care less because he has to be better than the mad doctors of the establishment.
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Donald Trump's refusal to release his taxes should be enough to convince anyone of his deception and lack of integrity. What is he hiding? Any guess that includes tax evasion, false reporting, conflicts of interest, and violations of federal law would be correct.
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"Otherwise, they could face the consequences of handing the White House to a man far more consumed with himself than with the nation's well-being."
We already have a GOP Congress more concerned with satisfying their big donor paymasters like the NRA, Sheldon Anderson and the Kochs and who have paralyzed the legislature for the past eight years.
If we now add a raging, ignorant narcissist to take over the executive branch of the government and allow him to fill upcoming Supreme Court vacancies with extreme right wing ideologues, we will have managed to make a mockery of the kind of government our Founding Fathers intended. Trump and the GOP want no "checks or balances " when they are in power and the public can "go hang."
We already have a GOP Congress more concerned with satisfying their big donor paymasters like the NRA, Sheldon Anderson and the Kochs and who have paralyzed the legislature for the past eight years.
If we now add a raging, ignorant narcissist to take over the executive branch of the government and allow him to fill upcoming Supreme Court vacancies with extreme right wing ideologues, we will have managed to make a mockery of the kind of government our Founding Fathers intended. Trump and the GOP want no "checks or balances " when they are in power and the public can "go hang."
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My vote will be for Hillary Clinton - the person truly qualified to have the title of President of the United States of America.
As for Trump:
Do we want him to have the important title of Commander-in-Chief of this nation.
Do we want him to have access to the Nuclear Codes and to our Nuclear Arsenal.
Do we want a war to be brought about by Trump, whose whole disposition can be classified as that of being a hair trigger always waiting to be pulled.
Trump is a walking menace in every regard -- especially when it comes to triggering a possible war based on a whim ..... or a bad hair day.
Listen up.
This is the main reality that confronts us all in this vital election and especially for all those persons of an age to be drafted.
Choose carefully as to how you vote in this vital election.
May you all rest in Peace.
As for Trump:
Do we want him to have the important title of Commander-in-Chief of this nation.
Do we want him to have access to the Nuclear Codes and to our Nuclear Arsenal.
Do we want a war to be brought about by Trump, whose whole disposition can be classified as that of being a hair trigger always waiting to be pulled.
Trump is a walking menace in every regard -- especially when it comes to triggering a possible war based on a whim ..... or a bad hair day.
Listen up.
This is the main reality that confronts us all in this vital election and especially for all those persons of an age to be drafted.
Choose carefully as to how you vote in this vital election.
May you all rest in Peace.
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With Central Bankers running amok with their crazy interest rate policies enriching their Wall Street buddies. Politicians who don't know or don't care what a deficit is. Generals with their never ending wars and defence companies profiteering. Our future looks dim with either candidate!
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To the Editors! May I submit a slightly amended version of the post I just posted? IF it gets published I would prefer it to read this way: An older woman at our church recently asked me, eagerly, if I was voting for Trump? I said no, of course not, and I could give her a hundred reasons why. She was shocked. But the support for him by some Evangelicals is, for me, the most shocking thing in this campaign. In fact I don't need a hundred reasons; here are a very few to add to the Times' list: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs." (Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians, chapter 13 v 4-5.) Mr. Trump's total failure to uphold these essential points of the Christian faith, which is, after all, a faith based entirely on love, should instantly disqualify him for anyone who confesses to be a Christian.
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Listening to this racist, misogynist bigot, has me believing that Jim Crow will return, a type of segregation in schools will return (his so-called voucher program), millions without health insurance, guns can be in the hands of anyone (those on "terror"lists), pay higher taxes, while the wealthy pay none! Our climate, year by year destroyed, because Trump doesn't believe there is a problem, so he says he'll resend America's pact with other nations to stop Climate Change! My young, adult children will work for far less(Trump believes that the current minimum wage is far too high) , while going to college and accruing more debt that they can't pay! Watching some of our trusted Allies, having their lands invaded, by the "likes" of Putin, because NATO is no more! The Supreme Court, could have a white supremist or several(he could pick a total of 4 in the next four years), on the bench, voting are civil rights away, for decades to come! A look at the people heading his campaign(Stephen Bannon, Roger Stone, alt-right/white supremists), should be a warning to America, the type of racial bigots he will appoint to his cabinet and the fact that "Pepe frog", has made numerous appearances in tweets by Trump and his campaign, is a "mascot" for groups like the neo-nazi, skin heads, KKK. Aryan brothers, etc. , should have disqualified him, along with all the hate filled rhetoric he "spews" on a daily basis!
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He is the Chief of the Basket of Deplorables. A terrifying prospect, if he 'wins' the Presidency.
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I strongly agree - thanks for a comprehensive and very well-written description of Trump's candidacy.
I am aware that a majority of NYT readers are liberals like me. Where can we have this conversation in a place where Trump voters will hear us/where we can hear them? I don't think I know anyone who is planning to vote for Trump, which is a disconcerting sign of the non-representative nature of the people I hang out with.
I am aware that a majority of NYT readers are liberals like me. Where can we have this conversation in a place where Trump voters will hear us/where we can hear them? I don't think I know anyone who is planning to vote for Trump, which is a disconcerting sign of the non-representative nature of the people I hang out with.
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If Trump is elected president, I am leaving the US for the duration of his term. The horror will be too much to bear.
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Of course he's unfit to be President - or hold any public office - but that won't deter the millions who have declared for him. No, the problem we have is that those on the fence are loathe to vote for his opponent, finding her untrustworthy, and worse, a defender of the status quo, of which millions are fed up with.
The DNC, and MSM - especially this paper - made a grievous error when they all but anointed her, and turned a blind eye to her many flaws. Now they're panicking as they are slowly waking up to the reality of how many people can't stand Hillary. If Trump wins, the NYT can add this folly to the other monstrous mistake of supporting the Bush Crusade. Perhaps then they might finally understand that intellectual "superiority" doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
The DNC, and MSM - especially this paper - made a grievous error when they all but anointed her, and turned a blind eye to her many flaws. Now they're panicking as they are slowly waking up to the reality of how many people can't stand Hillary. If Trump wins, the NYT can add this folly to the other monstrous mistake of supporting the Bush Crusade. Perhaps then they might finally understand that intellectual "superiority" doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
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"and worse, a defender of the status quo,"....To be credible you need to define status quo and give examples of Clinton's positions that support your claim. All you are doing is hand waving. I would argue for example, that the status quo that you reject has been caused by six years of a Republican Congress that has refused to do anything. The only way you can change the status quo is to throw the Republicans out, not elect one to be President.
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The 24-hour TV cycle has created fake celebrities who are famous for nothing. Trump is no different than the Kardashians, both products of reality TV shows. However he's more danger as he goes around spewing lies, venom and hate.
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When I think of Trump, this famous Lincoln quote comes to mind : "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the
time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
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Lincoln would have amended this if he knew the current state of education and reading habits in modern America.
The question is whether or not Trump can find enough fools to turn a major blue state (or a combination of smaller blue states) red.
The question is whether or not Trump can find enough fools to turn a major blue state (or a combination of smaller blue states) red.
Yes, unfortunately you only have to fool 47% of the people this time to end up in the White House, and apparently, der Trumpf is making a go of it.
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The failing of this paper was that it advertised Trump!Trump!Trump! throughout the primaries, reporting his every outlandish behavior. He capitalized on the precept that any press is good press. So this paper, which did not want to see Hillary Clinton in a fair fight with a credible opponent now faces a situation where she's in an unfair fight with an in-credible opponent. And she may well lose. Trump's many, many failings are not an argument to vote -for- Hillary Clinton, who has many failings of her own.
I foresee a reasonable outcome. Trump can be elected. Thereafter Priebus, Ryan, and the GOP leadership prepare articles of impeachment to act on his first egregious misuse of office. Trump is removed from office and we get a new VP. Disaster is averted.
I foresee a reasonable outcome. Trump can be elected. Thereafter Priebus, Ryan, and the GOP leadership prepare articles of impeachment to act on his first egregious misuse of office. Trump is removed from office and we get a new VP. Disaster is averted.
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And Pence is president - that's not a disaster?!
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Good luck to us all in the coming weeks.
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Allow me to be the only one here who, despite this article believes that Trump needs to be the next POTUS.
Regards,
A. Veselovsky
Regards,
A. Veselovsky
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A position that you could not possibly defend in an open discussion dealing with facts.
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During a recent lunch with a friend, I was informed that America has one of the worst educational systems in the world. She is a Trump supporter.
I found this ironic as many of the countries she cited as "better" than ours are taxpayer supported.
Maybe this explains Trump's shocking resilience in this election. Many Americans have been perpetually dumbed down, and frankly, some were never that smart.
I found this ironic as many of the countries she cited as "better" than ours are taxpayer supported.
Maybe this explains Trump's shocking resilience in this election. Many Americans have been perpetually dumbed down, and frankly, some were never that smart.
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Ask a Trump supporter about the election and you will, most often, receive a response related to how much they hate HRC or "how honest" he is. I can explain how an adult believes Trump is honest and the hatred for HRC. Simply put, we live in an age of brilliant propaganda on one side and a complete failure to deal with that propaganda by the other.
We have come to one of those tipping points we always talk about. The "fact based world" is at risk. Unfortunately this forum is almost exclusively limited to those who already know this and those who need to stop and listen to facts are most likely listening to Fox, Bretibart, Newsmax etc.
When the fact based world learns to sensationalize sufficiently for those who are enamored of fiction we can get back to sane political discourse.
Good luck to all of us.
We have come to one of those tipping points we always talk about. The "fact based world" is at risk. Unfortunately this forum is almost exclusively limited to those who already know this and those who need to stop and listen to facts are most likely listening to Fox, Bretibart, Newsmax etc.
When the fact based world learns to sensationalize sufficiently for those who are enamored of fiction we can get back to sane political discourse.
Good luck to all of us.
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Whenever I dwell upon the *why* of the Trump voters I'm reminded of jury nullification, that conclusion by juries to ignore the facts and vote for a decision based on their hearts / guts/ morals etc. There can be no other explanation for continuing to support this vacuous, vain man.
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Thank you for this passionate and detailed excoriation of Trump's candidacy. The problem is that these arguments will not influence the very people who vote for him. Your invocation "But voters should be asking themselves" begs the question, which voters? The ones who are reading the NYT have already been enlightened. How does one make an argument contra-Trump to an electorate that is feverishly buying his whole spiel? Using metaphors like "Broadway air rights" may not sell the point to a group that endorses Trump's honesty and bravado and thinks the liberal press is out to squelch his honest provocations against the elite establishment. How will the NYT editorial board offer a legitimate useful argument against Trump to his own constituency? What will "they" need to hear to see the truth about their demonic candidate?
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I just wish this editorial were punchier but at least a helpful list of Trump negatives. But you forgot "get the oil, get the oil" and "extreeeeme vetting, I say extreeeme...".
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With due respect, have we not read this before in previous articles re DT from EB and ur op ed contributors, that DT is "racist, demagogic,dangerous, a nativist, xenophobic, Islamophobic?"Ever occur to you that if u r in business of changing hearts and minds, many of us little whites have never known that we were all of these things before liberal left, NYT included, brought them to our attention?Many of us do not know even what a polysyllabicism is and do not care. Why should we when our principal preoccupation is to put food on the table for our families in an economy that is stacked against us.Those who agree with u r those living in places like Cape Cod, Mision VIEJO,S.Monica, Sunnyvale, where houses go for a million and up, and who do not face problems that we who r at the bottom of the hill, drowning and struggling to stay afloat. For us, DT is a life raft. Whether he lives up to expectations is problematic, but can millions who voted for him in primaries be entirely wrong as being invested with the charisma, ability to heal,improves the lives of all of us?Clintons r relics.We don't need more of the same, but someone who will take us in a new direction. DT incarnates hope for all Americans, those of color included.We little whites have a horse in this race because we r desperate, and establishments of both parties have written us off as expendable.
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"our principal preoccupation is to put food on the table for our families in an economy that is stacked against us."....Please explain how you believe that the deck is stacked against you. Perhaps you are a coal miner in Appalachia - is the deck stacked against you because natural gas is cheaper and cleaner than coal? Perhaps you are a farmer on poor land in the Midwest. Is the deck stacked against you because other people are farming on better land? Perhaps you used to work in manufacturing. Is the deck stacked against you because newer plants depend on automation?
"DT" is no life raft. He merely enables you to rationalize your inner hate and anger towards others for the difficulties in your lives and the fear you harbor in your soul. Your situation may indeed be desperate, but turning to your worst, base, animalistic instincts is no solution. As a country, we have certainly taken similar paths before -- McCarthyism, Jim Crow, internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII -- but hopefully, we have learned the lessons from the past, to not give into those instincts borne of fear and hatred.
Trumpist's are cultist's, the cult of personality, loyal to a man with a personality disorder.
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Last time the biased erudite editors of the NY Times endorsed a Republican for president was before most voters were born...Eisenhower in 1956. The consistency of their partisanship for almost 3/4's of a century blunts their claim to make independent decisions. They just as much a gang of political hacks as the corrupt Democrats who run Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore. Why would anyone care about a knee jerk recommendation from them?
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And still 40-plus percent of voters - according to polls - support the man. So irrespective of the cited reasons why he should NOT be President, the fact remains that a large swath of America is pro Trump, and therein lies the real concern for this country. It is becoming more and more divided on so many levels. That is legacy we are leaving to future generations.
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Well, if democracy does anything, it tends to reflect the intelligence and knowledge of the electorate. No one who votes for Donald Trump will ever be able to say they just didn't understand the man and his mission, that he fooled them.
His mission is Donald Trump, and he has never shown an ounce of love of country or love of those who suffer and need national health care or...
America, speak your piece, we are all listening.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
His mission is Donald Trump, and he has never shown an ounce of love of country or love of those who suffer and need national health care or...
America, speak your piece, we are all listening.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
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I was and remain an unabashed Reaganite, through-and-through. William F. Buckley, Jr. was my hero. Yet, I've found myself unable to associate with a major political party for 15 years. Newt Gingrich began the movement of the Republican Party to "The Party of No" in 1994. Indeed, the GOP I knew as a youth finally sighed its last breath not long after 9/11, when we squandered one of the best opportunities to remake the world since the end of WWII.
The Trump supporters I've spoken with seem to hear whatever they want him to say. "Republicans" with any sense are ducking and covering or breaking party ranks, yet very few have the guts to call Trump out for what he is.
Donald Trump is a smart guy who understands sales, branding, and marketing very, very well. He understands the power of demagoguery. However, as near as I can discern, he hasn't a shred of empathy. Clearly, he has very little self-control. Furthermore, he has no understanding of history, government, economics, nor diplomacy. I don't believe he's interested in public service. At all. Such a man could be extremely dangerous as POTUS.
Consider Joe McCarthy as president...
If readers are considering not voting for President or making a 3rd-party protest vote, I'd beg you to reconsider. As much as I disagree with Hillary Clinton, I will vote for her. I am also encouraging everyone I know, no matter which side of the classic aisle they lean, to vote for her.
The future of our country is at stake.
The Trump supporters I've spoken with seem to hear whatever they want him to say. "Republicans" with any sense are ducking and covering or breaking party ranks, yet very few have the guts to call Trump out for what he is.
Donald Trump is a smart guy who understands sales, branding, and marketing very, very well. He understands the power of demagoguery. However, as near as I can discern, he hasn't a shred of empathy. Clearly, he has very little self-control. Furthermore, he has no understanding of history, government, economics, nor diplomacy. I don't believe he's interested in public service. At all. Such a man could be extremely dangerous as POTUS.
Consider Joe McCarthy as president...
If readers are considering not voting for President or making a 3rd-party protest vote, I'd beg you to reconsider. As much as I disagree with Hillary Clinton, I will vote for her. I am also encouraging everyone I know, no matter which side of the classic aisle they lean, to vote for her.
The future of our country is at stake.
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You realize that these histrionics do nothing to convince those who think Trump is by far the lesser of two evils, right?
Churchill said -- tritely but profoundly -- that democracy is the worst possible system of government, except for all of the others.
"Democracy" is supported principally by the humble belief that no king, no high priest -- nobody -- is more qualified than anyone else to declare who shall govern, and how, and so we should just put it up to a vote.
The problem is -- and long has been -- that nobody really believes that.
What people really believe is that THEY should get to decide, not the unwashed masses. And "unwashed masses" is inevitably defined to mean "those who do not agree with me."
And that actual belief manifests itself in remarks such as Clinton's "deplorable" remark. That's why that remark was so upsetting to so many people. Clinton virtually oozed with contempt for those who didn't agree she was the best thing since sliced bread.
She's not. Trump certainly isn't -- no question -- but neither is Hillary. Yet her supporters indignantly demand that voters line up behind her, for no reason other than that the alternative is even worse.
"Democracy" is supported principally by the humble belief that no king, no high priest -- nobody -- is more qualified than anyone else to declare who shall govern, and how, and so we should just put it up to a vote.
The problem is -- and long has been -- that nobody really believes that.
What people really believe is that THEY should get to decide, not the unwashed masses. And "unwashed masses" is inevitably defined to mean "those who do not agree with me."
And that actual belief manifests itself in remarks such as Clinton's "deplorable" remark. That's why that remark was so upsetting to so many people. Clinton virtually oozed with contempt for those who didn't agree she was the best thing since sliced bread.
She's not. Trump certainly isn't -- no question -- but neither is Hillary. Yet her supporters indignantly demand that voters line up behind her, for no reason other than that the alternative is even worse.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you NYT's for articulating this for those of us too stunned to make a coherent sentence when faced with those whose only response is to repeat the noxious rhetoric of this unqualified candidate. Let us hope we never have to hear his name again after November.
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NYT elitists are out in full force. Wishful thinking on your part. One of the reasons that DT has such a large following is the failure of Democrats and Republicans over the past eight years. So please stop with the elitist "fact-free, ignorant electorate" comments about DT's supporters. There are just as many HC's supporters that belong in the same "basket of deplorables".
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It is wrong for major news outlets to be endorsing candidates. It is undemocratic. Major television networks don't do it; why should newspapers?
Just lay out the facts, and let people make up their own minds.
Just lay out the facts, and let people make up their own minds.
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First, at risk of sounding unctuous, "chapeau"to writers of editorial for fine writing, even though I disagree,because it resurrects old charges of xenephobia,misogyny, nativism which r false.DT has called for border security, and a less languid system of vetting at border. Re those incoming from abroad. DT has never raised objections to legal immigration whereby Juliana came to US, but only to illegal immigration,which is out of hand. DT is not opposed to Mexicans, only to those who break our laws.Likewise for legal immigrants from ME.Ever occur to EB that we little whites, backbone of DT'S crusade, never heard words "misogyny,xenenophobia,nativism, Islamophobia" or even that we were "deplorable"before HRC used it against us?Most of us r struggling to put food on the table for our families. All these long words, polysyllabicisms r for ur readers, wealthy liberal elites, living in places like Cape Cod, Mision Viejo, Sunnyvale, S.Monica,who support HRC. Challenge to EB:Go out and ask employees of Dunkin Donuts, Burger King,landscaper or truck driver what word "xenophobic" means. U would get a look of puzzlement,embarrassment.There r little whites who think that Benghazi is a person. But"Je vous ai compris(I get ur point)!" U r appealing to segment of the electorate already in HRC's corner. Telling photo:Young lady sitting alone on floor waiting to enter to hear Hillary, with caption, "Feel the vibe."That says it all!
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If this fraudulent, incompetent, unprincipled man is elected, Americans can rightly thank a readership/ratings crazed media for his ascent. History will show this as the low water mark staining the press.
Thank you NYT's and Washington Post for your I depth reporting throughout this year. Perhaps if other media outlets followed suit Donald would be off on his next risky real estate deal instead of risking the future of our country and the next several generations of Americans who will grow up in a country much different from that which we grew up in.
Thank you NYT's and Washington Post for your I depth reporting throughout this year. Perhaps if other media outlets followed suit Donald would be off on his next risky real estate deal instead of risking the future of our country and the next several generations of Americans who will grow up in a country much different from that which we grew up in.
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I say this as a Black man: Trump's bigotry doesn't bother me nearly as much as the feeling that, if elected, he's not going to do the job, as in show up for work. I don't think he would take the position of POTUS seriously.
I don't care about the State of the Union addresses. I do care about the President asking "Now, who are they, again?" in national security briefings.
I don't care about the State of the Union addresses. I do care about the President asking "Now, who are they, again?" in national security briefings.
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Important point. If I were inclined to gamble, I'd put a large sum of money on the probability that Trump, if elected, would not serve 4 years. He just doesn't have that long an attention span.
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There are Truths we hold to be self-evident (not the ones that come immediately to mind). Among them are that:
1) "Donald Trump is a man who dwells in bigotry, bluster and false promises" and shouldn't be president, and. as many have pointed out,
2) For True Believers all this, plus even blatant lying, makes no difference (e.g. Cruz).
What ever became of Washington and the story of his cherry tree?
1) "Donald Trump is a man who dwells in bigotry, bluster and false promises" and shouldn't be president, and. as many have pointed out,
2) For True Believers all this, plus even blatant lying, makes no difference (e.g. Cruz).
What ever became of Washington and the story of his cherry tree?
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Not satisfied to endorse the congenital liar Hillary Clinton, The Times has doubled down with another opinion page rant against Donald Trump. The editors in the ivory tower of this once great paper are in full agreement with Hillary. They too believe that half or more of Trump's supporters are "deplorables". If she is elected, it will be interesting to watch The Times reporting on her performance in the White House as she tries to repair the economy, Obamacare and address the $20 trillion federal debt while spending like a drunken sailor to fulfill all of her campaign promises.
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You are truly insightful.
As a Korean, I have always worried the election of Donald Trump as a president. His inauguration would be a cataclysm to our world.
As aforementioned, United States would necessarily alienated from the allies if Donald Trump wins on presidential election on November 8th.
Even though the people mention this election as "the choice of lesser of the evil", Trump is a disastrous, dangerous man.
I hope that the United States's citizens's the right, reasonable choice on the presidential election
As a Korean, I have always worried the election of Donald Trump as a president. His inauguration would be a cataclysm to our world.
As aforementioned, United States would necessarily alienated from the allies if Donald Trump wins on presidential election on November 8th.
Even though the people mention this election as "the choice of lesser of the evil", Trump is a disastrous, dangerous man.
I hope that the United States's citizens's the right, reasonable choice on the presidential election
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He speaks directly to the fundamental ideology of zealotry which is megalomania. Self referential, sociopathy. Bernie Sanders is another good example. All about the self.
A huge difference is that liberal progressives do consider the condition of everybody else as being significant and having a significant impact on the well being of everyone including themselves.
This is significantly less a consideration of the conservative right.
A huge difference is that liberal progressives do consider the condition of everybody else as being significant and having a significant impact on the well being of everyone including themselves.
This is significantly less a consideration of the conservative right.
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Mr. Trump's campaign has become a calamitous inferno of insipid bile.
My first memories of him were on "Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous" with Robin Leech in the 90's. He was always that severely tacky, bloviating bullshark with an unbelievably over stylized and comical apparition on top of his head- which always stole the thunder from his material accidents. I always thought it was a toupee. Now, in fact I don't care if it is 100% real, it's still a toupee as far as I'm concerned.
My contempt for Trump has grown slowly and subversively over the years-- nothing more than an occasional cringe thrown his way --until this year, where I've found my frustration and bewilderment cascading beyond and below the depths of loathing, soaring downward, unscathed, and assured like a condor descending towards it's scrounging prey. Yet I envy the condor -it at least doesn't have to endure the asinine, tumbling chicanery, heaping out of the little duckbilled mouth of this glorified con-man - it's prey at least is unheard until the final rapt. The mentally deficient, pitiless beast Trump is so low down it's difficult to swoop so shallow and wrangle with some thing- that doesn't habit the realm of logic and meaning. Tangible foundations of truth and reason are not of his realm. He's a puerile orange goblin of greed living underneath decency, a bottom feeding and a self-serving lunatic, and I will cherish the day that his name is not on our lips.
My first memories of him were on "Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous" with Robin Leech in the 90's. He was always that severely tacky, bloviating bullshark with an unbelievably over stylized and comical apparition on top of his head- which always stole the thunder from his material accidents. I always thought it was a toupee. Now, in fact I don't care if it is 100% real, it's still a toupee as far as I'm concerned.
My contempt for Trump has grown slowly and subversively over the years-- nothing more than an occasional cringe thrown his way --until this year, where I've found my frustration and bewilderment cascading beyond and below the depths of loathing, soaring downward, unscathed, and assured like a condor descending towards it's scrounging prey. Yet I envy the condor -it at least doesn't have to endure the asinine, tumbling chicanery, heaping out of the little duckbilled mouth of this glorified con-man - it's prey at least is unheard until the final rapt. The mentally deficient, pitiless beast Trump is so low down it's difficult to swoop so shallow and wrangle with some thing- that doesn't habit the realm of logic and meaning. Tangible foundations of truth and reason are not of his realm. He's a puerile orange goblin of greed living underneath decency, a bottom feeding and a self-serving lunatic, and I will cherish the day that his name is not on our lips.
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This could all be over with direct questions about the amendments to the constitution. Direct questions concerning the intricacies of Foreign Policy and the history of our current conflicts and the principle leaders involved. Katie Couric could wrap this up but for the money made on this grotesque display of American blood thirst and ignorance. This National tragedy will continue. What can the sentient being do but vote?
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Dr. Evil has no place in American History. We must all stand united to save the United States of America. There are Evil forces in this world who want to see American fabric of liberty, justice and freedom for all destroyed. This can be only achieved by getting a Devil to do that in a Trojan horse way. Who else to do that better that Trump.? His manic ego and desire for power will enable the regimes who chant Death to America, see American commit a political suicide. I an am Immigrant and love this country more than anything and I hope and pray this great nation will prevail and defeat Dr. Evil.
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Of course, kudos to the NY Times editorial staff for bringing this vital issue of accountability of Donald Trump front and center. There has never been a more urgent and appropriate need or time for the media to fully exercise its inherent power and responsibility to both educate and inform the public as to the veracity of Trump's countless, ridiculous assertions that he has made during the course of his lie-infested campaign. If he were to win, this would be his most spectacular scam of all and it would've been made all possible by a wide segment of our media who refused to look past his fraudulent claims and promises. I fear it would inaugurate perhaps one of, if not the darkest eras in U.S. history.
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I wholeheartedly support Times's sentiments and hope that our people make the right judgment. Yet I do not feel very sanguine. I remain haunted by a persistent fear that maybe, as a foremost nation in the comity of nations, we too have passed our zenith, and are now headed toward our decline. In life, we all have come across show-offs and vulgarians, in school, college or at work. But soon enough, we learn to maitain our distance from those types. But here is Trump now, an egrigious prototype of a man with every ignoble characteristic you can think of, yet he has attracted a following to match the size that supports his opponent, Mrs Clinton, a highly qualified public person who has dedicated almost all of her adult life helping the weak and vulnerable in our midst. At such grusome sights, a verse from Hindu scripture, Geeta, comes to mind, which says that when a kingdom loses its values, and starts making wrong headed judgments, know ye that it's headed toward its decline, and downfall.
I hope we are robust and rational enough to ward off this danger at the fast approaching mement of our trial.
I hope we are robust and rational enough to ward off this danger at the fast approaching mement of our trial.
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All the Haters are out in force today! The Times has made the transition from trusted news source to the mouthpiece of the George Soros inspired Left and a rabid purveyor of opinion and rhetoric.
The Clinton's have been engaged in corrupt activities for decades now, but they have escaped the consequences with their well honed technique of "Not recalling" or simply waiting for the latest uproar to die down, then moving on with the assurance that the public's short attention span and the media's quest for 'the next big thing' will make it go away.
Hillary's secretive servers clearly amounted to espionage, but "negligence" was redefined as "extreme carelessness" by the FBI director who has given them a pass years earlier during the Whitewater RE scams.
The deal that Bill Clinton and his buddy Frank Guistra put together to shift control of 25% of our country's uranium assets to a Russian entity received the approval of then Sec'y. Hillary Clinton. That was treason as defined in the US Code, but laws don't seem to apply to the Clinton's.
Their ripoff of the Haiti earthquake relief funds constituted a RICO offense, but the the Department of "Just Us" never sees anything actionable when those two are involved.
Even her increasingly frail health has been papered over and it will take her collapsing on the debate stage before that becomes apparent.
Shame!
The Clinton's have been engaged in corrupt activities for decades now, but they have escaped the consequences with their well honed technique of "Not recalling" or simply waiting for the latest uproar to die down, then moving on with the assurance that the public's short attention span and the media's quest for 'the next big thing' will make it go away.
Hillary's secretive servers clearly amounted to espionage, but "negligence" was redefined as "extreme carelessness" by the FBI director who has given them a pass years earlier during the Whitewater RE scams.
The deal that Bill Clinton and his buddy Frank Guistra put together to shift control of 25% of our country's uranium assets to a Russian entity received the approval of then Sec'y. Hillary Clinton. That was treason as defined in the US Code, but laws don't seem to apply to the Clinton's.
Their ripoff of the Haiti earthquake relief funds constituted a RICO offense, but the the Department of "Just Us" never sees anything actionable when those two are involved.
Even her increasingly frail health has been papered over and it will take her collapsing on the debate stage before that becomes apparent.
Shame!
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Please provide definitive proof of Clinton's treason as it relates to the uranium situation and same regarding RICO violations.
Let's call a spade and a spade. Trump would hasten the fall of the US into becoming another banana republic. He, of course, is fine with the notion as the beneficiary in such regimes are the handful of the wealthy at the top of the wealth pyramid. They would own the government, which is what he thinks he should have the right to do.
If the American public does not wake up and send a real message by voting him and his Republican brethren (the "aginners" who are against everything proposed by a Democrat and who are unwilling to ever compromise) out of office, we may find ourselves too far gone to rebound. As Friedman said some time ago, this is a watershed election. It is also an opportunity for the mainstream Republicans to recapture their party and provide a credible center-right alternative to the center-left Democrats.
I fear Trump will win with a narrow GOP majority that will be a disaster that cannot be overcome after the Bush disaster before Obama. I could see the same xenophobic combination of older Americans not engaged with reality and rural Americans ignorant of the world trying to hold back change just like happened in the Brexit vote in Britain. We will end up like the French when the ceiling falls in trying to reconstitute the country with our 3rd Republic (counting the Article of Confederation).
If the American public does not wake up and send a real message by voting him and his Republican brethren (the "aginners" who are against everything proposed by a Democrat and who are unwilling to ever compromise) out of office, we may find ourselves too far gone to rebound. As Friedman said some time ago, this is a watershed election. It is also an opportunity for the mainstream Republicans to recapture their party and provide a credible center-right alternative to the center-left Democrats.
I fear Trump will win with a narrow GOP majority that will be a disaster that cannot be overcome after the Bush disaster before Obama. I could see the same xenophobic combination of older Americans not engaged with reality and rural Americans ignorant of the world trying to hold back change just like happened in the Brexit vote in Britain. We will end up like the French when the ceiling falls in trying to reconstitute the country with our 3rd Republic (counting the Article of Confederation).
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Thinking beyond the election itself, what are the fundamental effects of a Trump election, should that come to pass? America has often fancied itself a "shining city upon a hill", a beacon of hope for the world and a successful democratic role model for other countries. A Trump victory in this election, even following the spectacularly successful Obama years, will be viewed in the context of the last republican president, George W. Bush. Our version of the democratic process has led us to this point. Why would any country think this is a good model to follow?
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Yep, every reason under the microscope to be scared of a man who has played Whack-a-Mole with political parties depending on, most recently, which way the Nielsen Ratings were moving.
An icon in the public eye from the entertainment industry who has had successes and failures in the private sector enters the political arena.
Tonight both candidates face off in the batting cages for the 1st time, each with different approaches to hitting. Mrs Clinton will be hitting from the Left and Donald from the Right. Its expected Mrs Clinton is going to be standing away from the plate leaving plenty of room to swing at some inside curves. But the call-up from the bus leagues whose seen no proper training whatsoever is an unknown quantity and may be moving all over the batter's box with each pitch thrown.
An icon in the public eye from the entertainment industry who has had successes and failures in the private sector enters the political arena.
Tonight both candidates face off in the batting cages for the 1st time, each with different approaches to hitting. Mrs Clinton will be hitting from the Left and Donald from the Right. Its expected Mrs Clinton is going to be standing away from the plate leaving plenty of room to swing at some inside curves. But the call-up from the bus leagues whose seen no proper training whatsoever is an unknown quantity and may be moving all over the batter's box with each pitch thrown.
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I've had the good fortune of spending this past month in Europe. Interestingly, everywhere I've gone, and people have identified me as an American, they have stopped to ask me about Donald Trump.
From tour guides to restaurant owners, from fellow travelers on a group excursion to cab drivers... In fact, even the doorman at the hotel when he found out I was from New York wanted to talk to me about Trump.
Amazingly, the interactions have been consistent. One to all. They all ask: how is it possible that in a country like The United States a man like Donald Trump has a good chance of being President? Then, they ALL laugh...
Uniformly. Across the board.
Except for in England. The general bitterness about the Brexit vote has led many working professionals (young through Middle age) to tell me that they are hoping Trump becomes President... so, that UK is not left so far behind in its stupidity of voting for false nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment.
So, my question is: why is it that the world (barring Corbyn and his ilk) outside of the US can see Trump for who he is, but half our country cannot? Are we so depressingly partisan now that we will vote for someone obviously wrong for the country, just because he won the party's mandate?
From tour guides to restaurant owners, from fellow travelers on a group excursion to cab drivers... In fact, even the doorman at the hotel when he found out I was from New York wanted to talk to me about Trump.
Amazingly, the interactions have been consistent. One to all. They all ask: how is it possible that in a country like The United States a man like Donald Trump has a good chance of being President? Then, they ALL laugh...
Uniformly. Across the board.
Except for in England. The general bitterness about the Brexit vote has led many working professionals (young through Middle age) to tell me that they are hoping Trump becomes President... so, that UK is not left so far behind in its stupidity of voting for false nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment.
So, my question is: why is it that the world (barring Corbyn and his ilk) outside of the US can see Trump for who he is, but half our country cannot? Are we so depressingly partisan now that we will vote for someone obviously wrong for the country, just because he won the party's mandate?
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It is rather amazing how many news analyses and editorials (concerning the presidential race) focus, as this one does, on personality traits. It is also odd, because the most potent arguments for choosing Hillary Clinton (whom the New York Times has now officially endorsed) over Donald Trump are experience in public office and policy positions, which ought to normally take precedence over personality anyway. From a detached, neutral perspective, Clinton's personality is better suited to the presidency than Trump's, as this op-ed indeed argues and no doubt persuasively so to those who already back her, but personality remains a relative weak point for her whereas personality has been the biggest source of Trump's success so far.
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Not surprising, considering the personality worship that is pushed down the throat of the American populace day after dreary day on TV.
I advocated -- strongly and repeatedly -- that the Republicans should just "stiff" Trump at the convention and nominate someone else (Kasich was the only viable alternative by then). The Republicans could have done that, since a political party has no legal obligation to be "democratic" -- it can pick whomever it wants however it wants, democratically or not.
Obviously the Republican Party didn't do that.
In the general election, however, we don't have that choice. If we really believe in all this "democracy" talk, we have no choice but to let Joe Sixpack vote too -- even if we strongly disagree with Joe Sixpack's choice.
Maybe Trump will self-destruct, either tonight or later, and the Democrats will dodge the bullet. But maybe the Democrats should look at themselves in the mirror and ask whether they bear some of the responsibility for us being in this pickle. They could have, but chose not to, nominate someone other than a flawed old war horse whose principal appeal is that she's "not Trump."
Obviously the Republican Party didn't do that.
In the general election, however, we don't have that choice. If we really believe in all this "democracy" talk, we have no choice but to let Joe Sixpack vote too -- even if we strongly disagree with Joe Sixpack's choice.
Maybe Trump will self-destruct, either tonight or later, and the Democrats will dodge the bullet. But maybe the Democrats should look at themselves in the mirror and ask whether they bear some of the responsibility for us being in this pickle. They could have, but chose not to, nominate someone other than a flawed old war horse whose principal appeal is that she's "not Trump."
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My, what short memories everyone has. Donald Trump is the Republican nominee for president of the United States. It wasn't really that long ago when the primaries and caucuses were being held. The choices were Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, George Pataki, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, and Scott Walker. Does anyone seriously believe that any of them wouldn't be worse for the country than Donald Trump? Most of the others, in addition to having the gravitas to accomplish what they set out to do also have set out to impose policies that have proven over the last 50 years, to be detrimental to the economic and social health of the United States. With a choice among a TV star and real estate developer and a bunch of reactionary bigots with political power, the best choice for the good of the country was obvious. Now we have an actual election coming up, and the real problem is exposed. Not that the best of a bad lot was selected, but that politics is more of a sporting event than a civic duty.
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I hope Americans wake up from the spell and figure out the danger that Donald Trump represents to the US.
Not to mention his 3 kids enriching themselves all over the world and milking their status - this would be horrible to see.
USA will never be the same after a Trump president.
To many americans I think it may be tempting to see major changes, even chaos to a certain extent by electing Trump. All I would say is that these people will suffer a great deal and be totally repentant 2 months into a Trump presidency.
Not to mention his 3 kids enriching themselves all over the world and milking their status - this would be horrible to see.
USA will never be the same after a Trump president.
To many americans I think it may be tempting to see major changes, even chaos to a certain extent by electing Trump. All I would say is that these people will suffer a great deal and be totally repentant 2 months into a Trump presidency.
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Wow.There are so many sane comments about the Donald here(instead of the usual selectively blind support found elsewhere on the web),that i feel that i've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone.
Did I miss it in your editorial?
Donald Trump will have the 'football' with the nuclear codes. A President's decision to use nuclear weapons doesn't run through Congress or the Supreme Court...you can't re-negotitate your way out of a launch.
I lived through the early cold war 'get under the desk' drills and the Cuban missile crisis. This is worse. In a world where almost all nations are looking to reduce nuclear weapons, Trump has already rallied the notion that there should be more, not less, countries with a nuclear arsenal. He has asked in briefings 'why we can't use them'.
Forget the 'tax audit' and the insults...you know for a fact that President Trump will be thinking about 'radioactive sands' in the Middle East.
Donald Trump will have the 'football' with the nuclear codes. A President's decision to use nuclear weapons doesn't run through Congress or the Supreme Court...you can't re-negotitate your way out of a launch.
I lived through the early cold war 'get under the desk' drills and the Cuban missile crisis. This is worse. In a world where almost all nations are looking to reduce nuclear weapons, Trump has already rallied the notion that there should be more, not less, countries with a nuclear arsenal. He has asked in briefings 'why we can't use them'.
Forget the 'tax audit' and the insults...you know for a fact that President Trump will be thinking about 'radioactive sands' in the Middle East.
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Maybe it's time showing tax returns should be mandatory instead of being some kind of chivalrous act that is negotiable. As it stands there are no consequences to breaking rules for Trump so why should he listen?
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It's not that he's Trump, it's that he's Republican. The baggage that stinks like a rotting corpse is the republican agenda. The tax cuts for the .01 % and the service cuts for everyone else. The voter suppression, and the repeal of Obamacare, the attack on women's rights, the perversion of the judiciary and on and on. He's no more vile than Cruz, Santorum, or Pence. Is he more of a racist, fascist or overall bigot? Maybe, but it's the Republican in him we should fear.
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Ironically, the "White Supremicists" may save the day for our country. Until now, they have been the core of Trump's support, but...
Trump just met with Israel's president Bibi Netanyahu, assuring him that he would make Jerusalem the capital of the Jewish state, bucking world sentiment.
With that, the David Duke contingent will abandon their "leader" in large numbers. Having Jewish in-laws and offspring is one thing, carrying water for the Jewish state is quite another
Trump just met with Israel's president Bibi Netanyahu, assuring him that he would make Jerusalem the capital of the Jewish state, bucking world sentiment.
With that, the David Duke contingent will abandon their "leader" in large numbers. Having Jewish in-laws and offspring is one thing, carrying water for the Jewish state is quite another
The best way to assure a Clinton victory and Trump defeat November 8th would be for your paper to start to publishing a version of the news more closely aligned with the truth.
Dig into what was discovered in the 8 Benghazi investigations. Dig into what exactly are the findings in the email investigations. Is Hillary Clinton actually guilty of something or are claims really just guilt by innuendo? What is the truth about the Clinton Foundation? Is there some guilt there?
Do the same for Donal Trump, actual news reporting?
As a liberal I truly want to believe that facts will sway voters. But currently voters are not getting facts, they're getting deliberate disinformation.
Newspapers can tell the truth and still be true to "balance."
Dig into what was discovered in the 8 Benghazi investigations. Dig into what exactly are the findings in the email investigations. Is Hillary Clinton actually guilty of something or are claims really just guilt by innuendo? What is the truth about the Clinton Foundation? Is there some guilt there?
Do the same for Donal Trump, actual news reporting?
As a liberal I truly want to believe that facts will sway voters. But currently voters are not getting facts, they're getting deliberate disinformation.
Newspapers can tell the truth and still be true to "balance."
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I don't agree that The Times is "too little, too late" in condemning Donald Trump. As yet another person who is horror-struck that the whole thing has progressed this far, I've been reassured countless times by reading articles published in the NYT. My concern, though, is that they have been preaching to the converted, i.e., the vast majority of New York Times readers. This is borne out in the comments, which I often find as interesting and thoughtful as the articles themselves.
I'm clueless as to who these undecided voters are. It's my understanding that the Trump people have been behind him all along and won't budge. I know Bernie supporters who switched over to Hillary, albeit reluctantly, but who will make a last-minute decision to vote for the chronic liar with a mile-wide mean streak, who seems to know nothing at all about policy? Obviously these people exist, but I'm not seeing them here.
I'm clueless as to who these undecided voters are. It's my understanding that the Trump people have been behind him all along and won't budge. I know Bernie supporters who switched over to Hillary, albeit reluctantly, but who will make a last-minute decision to vote for the chronic liar with a mile-wide mean streak, who seems to know nothing at all about policy? Obviously these people exist, but I'm not seeing them here.
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Thanks, everyone--but since when did logic + plain old common sense have anything to do with this election?
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For all that you say about Mr Trump here - and I find myself largely in agreement with it - there is one thing he has in his favour over Mrs Clinton. It is more likely that the wheeler-dealer ego as president will come to some sort of agreement with Mr Putin that will lead to less likelihood of armed conflict than a President Clinton. She is locked into the military-industrial complex - and a Clinton presidency scares me, living on an island that is one of the US's many forward bases.
Mr Trump has as much riding on being a successful negotiator as Mrs Clinton has on sticking to the collision-course trajectory we see being played out against surrounded Russia.
I do not see Mr Trump as admiring Mr Putin. I see Mr Trump letting Mr Putin know he - unlike the tin-ear Mrs Clinton - can appreciate Mr Putin's view of geopolitics.
Mr Trump has as much riding on being a successful negotiator as Mrs Clinton has on sticking to the collision-course trajectory we see being played out against surrounded Russia.
I do not see Mr Trump as admiring Mr Putin. I see Mr Trump letting Mr Putin know he - unlike the tin-ear Mrs Clinton - can appreciate Mr Putin's view of geopolitics.
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Wow. That's some impressive over-reach there.
The problem with articles like this is that they are predicated on an informed and logically-cognizant audience. To many of the Donald's supporters don't care about logic. They have fed for so long at the plentiful trough of "OMG - have you heard" that they choose not - or cannot - separate the lies from the truth. Sustaining "of the people, by the people" takes hard work. It's so much easier to blame your problems on everyone and everything else.
Donald Trump would not be in this position without an assist from the national media, the republican party and 14 million voters, who like he, do not read, but react out of bias, stupidity or ignorance. But, the real culprit in this drama is the press. Nearly two trillion dollars in publicity and none among them willing to pin him down about key issues, fearing losing accessibility to this entertainer and ad revenues.
A note of caution:
Adolf Hitler was ELECTED with 30% of the vote. Do you get the point?
A note of caution:
Adolf Hitler was ELECTED with 30% of the vote. Do you get the point?
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If Trump becomes president being president will no longer be such a big deal. Expect Kanye West, Taylor Swift and Mickey Mouse to throw in their hat on the next election cycle.
The NYT has not done enough to discredit Trump in fact it has waited way too long to endorse her. I can't believe that with the brains and talent available in the NYT organization that no one has been able to hack into Trump's servers or by legal means get at his taxes. The NYT investigative reporting staff is probably the best in the world. Are they asleep or has someone told them to lay off Trump's taxes. This is much bigger than Watergate. Ties to mobsters and Putin's oligarchs are a monstrous threat to our democracy!
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I agree that Trump is nuts; but Hillary is SO unpopular, don't ask me why.
What I want to know is what we do when more than half of the voters elect a president I don't admire.
We don't want to drive up Canada real estate values, do we? And RBG has taken dibs on NZ.
We'd better have a Plan B, or we're going to feel VERY unprepared come Election Day, November.
Have a lovely Thanksgiving, a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
Write when you get work.
What I want to know is what we do when more than half of the voters elect a president I don't admire.
We don't want to drive up Canada real estate values, do we? And RBG has taken dibs on NZ.
We'd better have a Plan B, or we're going to feel VERY unprepared come Election Day, November.
Have a lovely Thanksgiving, a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
Write when you get work.
I hope people read this article.
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You ask: Is this the example we want for our children? If you are an ignorant bigot, Trump is precisely the president you want.
That's all true, but my reason why he shouldn't be elected is because he's a low-quality human being.
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It's is no longer sufficient for the NYT to endorse a Presidential candidate? You feel compelled to make an endorsement, then separately publish an editorial calling the opposition candidate names? Wow, the Media Elite must be scared to death that Trump might actually win this!
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My adult years were spent in the Northeast, but my roots and upbringing lie in the American heartland, and Trump is as far from that American ideal as I can imagine. We were taught humility and hard work and fairness and decency. You didn't lie; you didn't cheat; you didn't steal. You didn't brag, and you didn't slander others. You didn't talk about doing things; you did them.
Trump is what my elders would have called a "low sneak" -- an untrustworthy liar and manipulator of those without the character to see him for what he is.
The idea that he could "make America great again" is ludicrous. He and his deplorable supporters have no idea what America is.
Trump is what my elders would have called a "low sneak" -- an untrustworthy liar and manipulator of those without the character to see him for what he is.
The idea that he could "make America great again" is ludicrous. He and his deplorable supporters have no idea what America is.
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Editorial was not strong enough to combat this clear and present danger.
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The sad thing is that those of us who read the Times already know what a revolting clown Trump is. But the 40% of ignoramuses who don't, will vote for him no matter what. Hopefully Hillary will win, but sadly they'll still be here.
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Great read and comments. I couldn't believe that Donald actually did those things while reading through it. You may know what the book Why nations fail says.. Although States possess one of the strongest power internationally, one nation now ought to be building toward 'Inclusive policies', unlike Trump's
Plus, it would affect adversely if he s elected due to his unwillingness of taking a role of security on Seoul and other nations..
Plus, it would affect adversely if he s elected due to his unwillingness of taking a role of security on Seoul and other nations..
Thanks for the recap and reminding anyone with half a brain what awaits us should this clown take the White House. But shame on the media for putting ratings above national interests by promoting and enabling this dangerous, unstable, petulant man.
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You get what you pay for and you pay for what you get.
We will all pay if Trump becomes president.
We will all pay if Trump becomes president.
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Facts and truth don't seem to matter. This election reminds me of the class clown who is elected Prom Queen by a cynical high school class.
I have a concern. As a non-practicing retired physician does Donald Trump suffer from Hypomania. From this article and what I have read of his life history which is limited, are there any psychiatrists or psychologists out there that has a better understanding of this? What I do know is the world could be in a heap of trouble if he would have access to NUKES. Somebody needs to bring this matter to attention of voters.
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An excellent article, but does it really change anything? I ask this because, if it's not obvious to everyone, we are living in the Twilight Zone. Yes, a world that Rod Serling invented and that Trump was tailor made to be a star. Where forty percent of the people of this country are solidly behind him, and where truth has no purchase. Where a truly qualified candidate, one who would "break the glass ceiling" if elected has, to date, a slightly higher percentage supporting her, but many who are not anywhere as sure about their choice. Where roughly twenty percent of the electorate realizes that Trump has no place in civilized politics but either won't vote for Hillary or are still upset that their candidate didn't receive the nomination of the party.
The only way to exit this nightmare is for anyone who has a voice in this country - journalists, politicians, historians, concerned citizens from all walks of life - to step up and shout at the top of their lungs "He's a bad man! He's a very bad man!" then turn him into a jack-in-the-box and send him out to the cornfield where he'll never be heard from again.
The only way to exit this nightmare is for anyone who has a voice in this country - journalists, politicians, historians, concerned citizens from all walks of life - to step up and shout at the top of their lungs "He's a bad man! He's a very bad man!" then turn him into a jack-in-the-box and send him out to the cornfield where he'll never be heard from again.
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"He notably tapped $258,000 in donors’ money from his charitable foundation "
Rich The Times is citing information regarding a foundation, when it's research into the Clinton foundation has been missing from its pages for months. Trump has been put under the microscope on these pages, while Hillary has been given a free pass on most of her most egregious transgressions.
Rich The Times is citing information regarding a foundation, when it's research into the Clinton foundation has been missing from its pages for months. Trump has been put under the microscope on these pages, while Hillary has been given a free pass on most of her most egregious transgressions.
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I am extremely disappointed to see the glaring racial divides in our country. While it has always existed, to see hate disguised as patriotism towards people who don't look like the majority of the Republican Party is heartbreaking. Equally as troubling is the loyalty of individuals who have chosen party over principle, party over peace, and party over truth is painful.
While I was never a Ted Cruz fan, I admired him for standing up for what he believed in especially as a Christian understanding what God's words tell us from Genesis to Revelations, but to support a man that says so many awful things about people who oppose him is morally wrong. Yes, we are supposed to forgive, but, Proverbs 23:7 tells us, "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he." We see the heart of Mr. Trump by what he tweets and says almost daily and at this time, he is not ready to lead our Nation until his change comes. Why some of our Republican leaders can not accept this is baffling. If Mr. Trump is unable to tame his tongue and his fingers now, what makes anyone think that he can do so as POTUS? I was going to write in a vote, but with people like Ted Cruz who I admired for his tough stance flipping, we can't rebel by not voting or going with a third party candidate. We must think about our future and at this time a man that can't bridle his tongue and show compassion towards the disabled, women and minorities who are targeted because of the color of their skin and not character can not be POTUS.
While I was never a Ted Cruz fan, I admired him for standing up for what he believed in especially as a Christian understanding what God's words tell us from Genesis to Revelations, but to support a man that says so many awful things about people who oppose him is morally wrong. Yes, we are supposed to forgive, but, Proverbs 23:7 tells us, "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he." We see the heart of Mr. Trump by what he tweets and says almost daily and at this time, he is not ready to lead our Nation until his change comes. Why some of our Republican leaders can not accept this is baffling. If Mr. Trump is unable to tame his tongue and his fingers now, what makes anyone think that he can do so as POTUS? I was going to write in a vote, but with people like Ted Cruz who I admired for his tough stance flipping, we can't rebel by not voting or going with a third party candidate. We must think about our future and at this time a man that can't bridle his tongue and show compassion towards the disabled, women and minorities who are targeted because of the color of their skin and not character can not be POTUS.
Any candidate for public office who espouses religion as part of their campaign, regardless of its tenets and even as just an aside, should be automatically disqualified from continuing their candidacy. Religion and politics mix way, way too much in America.
Recently the name of Mr. Trump is very useful when I discipline my teenagers: If you do not behave, daddy is going to vote for Donald Trump.
Children tend to have purer heart and clearer view regarding right and wrong. Any five-year-old knows that he will be in trouble if he calls people’s name, not mention lying and being mean. This explains Mr. Trump’s unpopularity among young generation. He unfortunately uses all ugly cards in politics to win this race: fear, hatred, distorting, and boasting. One sure thing is he has damaged this country by his campaign not for the general interest.
For the generations to come, we get to stop such damage continues.
Children tend to have purer heart and clearer view regarding right and wrong. Any five-year-old knows that he will be in trouble if he calls people’s name, not mention lying and being mean. This explains Mr. Trump’s unpopularity among young generation. He unfortunately uses all ugly cards in politics to win this race: fear, hatred, distorting, and boasting. One sure thing is he has damaged this country by his campaign not for the general interest.
For the generations to come, we get to stop such damage continues.
Why is it that the only time this editorial uses the word "lie" or "lies" is "Mr. Trump always does make clear where his heart lies"? Surely there were many more opportunities....
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This editorial may be more important--and I hope it is at least as influential--as your well-timed endorsement of Hillary Clinton to become our next president. A remarkable feature of this campaign is that, despite unprecedented opposition and discomfort within his own party, Mr. Trump has managed to acquire a feisty, populist image. In part, this is due to selective appearances in media channels that promote viewer ratings, openly promote conservative politics, and damp or totally mute any criticism. As other newspaper editorial boards convene to make their presidential picks, I hope the NYT's important pair of editorials will receive due consideration. Hillary Clinton is, indeed, far more experienced, and far more capable of governing, than Mr. Trump--and as your editorial recounts, his frequent flouting of decorum, his lack of interest in civil discourse, and his erratic policy decisions, are all fatal flaws. The number and magnitude of flaws on his part far exceed those attributed to Ms. Clinton, and would place the United States and the world as well at unacceptable risk.
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Consider the human element...
You can tell a great about a person's character by the company he keeps - look at the bizarre cast of characters Trump draws to himself: Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort, Pence, Roger Ailes. Consider that Trump's life-long roll model has been his former legal advisor, Roy Cohn! Then consider his current bromance with the deadly-sinister Putin!
As a teacher I am appalled with the manner in which Trump bamboozled students at his fake business college. One simply must not treat innocent students that way - it is immoral, even depraved.
Trump repeatedly entering business contracts with the intent of violating them later - this is the very definition of dishonest. Why would any nation dare to enter into a treaty with the shifty Trump ?
Trashing wife after wife in perpetual search for younger models is hardly an example of family loyalty and devotion. Trump boasts that he has no friends, perhaps the only truth he has told in this campaign.
Trump simply has no respect for other human beings. None.
Trump/Putin 2016.
You can tell a great about a person's character by the company he keeps - look at the bizarre cast of characters Trump draws to himself: Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort, Pence, Roger Ailes. Consider that Trump's life-long roll model has been his former legal advisor, Roy Cohn! Then consider his current bromance with the deadly-sinister Putin!
As a teacher I am appalled with the manner in which Trump bamboozled students at his fake business college. One simply must not treat innocent students that way - it is immoral, even depraved.
Trump repeatedly entering business contracts with the intent of violating them later - this is the very definition of dishonest. Why would any nation dare to enter into a treaty with the shifty Trump ?
Trashing wife after wife in perpetual search for younger models is hardly an example of family loyalty and devotion. Trump boasts that he has no friends, perhaps the only truth he has told in this campaign.
Trump simply has no respect for other human beings. None.
Trump/Putin 2016.
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As an American I am embarrassed by Mr. Trump. As a New Yorker from Manhattan I am horrified by how he is trashing one of the greatest towns anywhere. Living half of every year in British Columbia, I hear endless criticism of the US, but the observations of and about Trump are decidedly pointed and accurate. He is a bully and a gladhander who has no capacity to lead this country. I like to think of Teddy Roosevelt who would surely refer to Trump as a punter. Too much credit in my view.
I've known many guys that are like Trump. Some are millionaires also, none are poor.
They became successful because they are assertive and brash. I feel at home amongst them.
These types will carry Trump to the presidency. They aren't the loud bleeding hearts that majored in liberal arts and go to art exhibits. Like the majority of voters that carried Nixon over in a landslide over McGovern and his screwball plans, there are a lot of Trumps in the US.
They became successful because they are assertive and brash. I feel at home amongst them.
These types will carry Trump to the presidency. They aren't the loud bleeding hearts that majored in liberal arts and go to art exhibits. Like the majority of voters that carried Nixon over in a landslide over McGovern and his screwball plans, there are a lot of Trumps in the US.
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Mr. Trump is the Anointed of the alt-white.
He cruelly mocked a disabled man.
Humiliation is his method and his meth.
I utterly appreciate the clarity of this Editorial and will spread it wide & far. But when several teacher friends said Mr. Trump's odious disabled-mocking had reached its poison into pre-K -- and we did not shun him -- my shame for our country became unbearable. No, I say No. I don't need more to recoil in the horror the horror.
We have a gloriously sensible ticket to support in ClintonKaine. We have 1032 hours left to put our Beloved Community on the humane, the sane path. 1032 hours.
I'm 71. JFK was murdered on my 19th birthday. I have never felt such dread. Nor such hope.
He cruelly mocked a disabled man.
Humiliation is his method and his meth.
I utterly appreciate the clarity of this Editorial and will spread it wide & far. But when several teacher friends said Mr. Trump's odious disabled-mocking had reached its poison into pre-K -- and we did not shun him -- my shame for our country became unbearable. No, I say No. I don't need more to recoil in the horror the horror.
We have a gloriously sensible ticket to support in ClintonKaine. We have 1032 hours left to put our Beloved Community on the humane, the sane path. 1032 hours.
I'm 71. JFK was murdered on my 19th birthday. I have never felt such dread. Nor such hope.
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In 40 years of voting, I have never seen a more dangerous and unqualified person trying for the highest office in our country. He makes Barry Goldwater, Ross Perot, Curtis Lemay, Al Gore, Michael Dukakis, and others look better. Shades of George Wallace and Al Haig. God help this country. It frightens me to see all the Trump banners in my county. What are my fellow Americans really expecting. I admired Reagan. He understood and worked in Government and made a difference. This man has no plan, only hate and a love for himself. Hillary may not be perfect, but at least she has tried to make a positive difference. God help the United States.
They say the money trail leads you to find the cause of this or that. In the case of Trump, it doesn't come down to money, instead it comes down to Fox News and Roger Ailes. This now disgraced man brainwashed enough of the gullible segment of the electorate to make it possible for a cartoonish buffoon like Trump to actually become a candidate of the Republican Party. A couple of decades of Ailes have not been America's finest hour. May he and Trump both wither and the country move forward without them.
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Don't take candy from strangers!
Donald Trump is the stranger, and his candy is anything and everything that is politically incorrect, sweet enticements intended to lure the greedy ones who don't want to hear that they have to share, or be nice to others, or do anything that's hard or unpleasant or boring but necessary.
Beware, kids, it's a trick! You won't like the scary place he'll take you or the things he'll do to you there, and you might never return.
And he's never going to give you that candy.
Donald Trump is the stranger, and his candy is anything and everything that is politically incorrect, sweet enticements intended to lure the greedy ones who don't want to hear that they have to share, or be nice to others, or do anything that's hard or unpleasant or boring but necessary.
Beware, kids, it's a trick! You won't like the scary place he'll take you or the things he'll do to you there, and you might never return.
And he's never going to give you that candy.
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I can't think of a better, clearer, direct editorial than this. If anyone didn't know already what Trump is, now they do. I hope people take this to heart, and it turns them toward Hillary, not a third party or sitting out.
And yet, there are those who refuse to beleive anything bad about Trump, and to them, Hillary is evil, just evil. So to be honest, and perhaps blunt: Hillary will not take your rights and freedoms away, a la Russia. Trump will. Trump wil drag us into war, and worse. I think Hillary has learned her lesson about war, no-fly zones in Sirya nonwithstanding. Trump will ruin the economy, just when people are starting to climb out of poverty en mass, Hillary won't.
So I say it again. There will be people where these words fall on deaf ears. That have their minds made up and absolutely won't budge. I hope this editorial nudges them even one inch toward doubt, and maybe even changing their minds. And for keeping the US free and Democratic, which I hope isn't wishful thinking.
And yet, there are those who refuse to beleive anything bad about Trump, and to them, Hillary is evil, just evil. So to be honest, and perhaps blunt: Hillary will not take your rights and freedoms away, a la Russia. Trump will. Trump wil drag us into war, and worse. I think Hillary has learned her lesson about war, no-fly zones in Sirya nonwithstanding. Trump will ruin the economy, just when people are starting to climb out of poverty en mass, Hillary won't.
So I say it again. There will be people where these words fall on deaf ears. That have their minds made up and absolutely won't budge. I hope this editorial nudges them even one inch toward doubt, and maybe even changing their minds. And for keeping the US free and Democratic, which I hope isn't wishful thinking.
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All that is said here is true. However, you are speaking to the choir and the congregation left long ago. They were driven away by the greed and unfairness of the new finance. The congregation understood Adam Smith when he talked about the social responsibility of capitalism. The new rich have no idea what he meant. Inequality has created a justly aggrieved middle class and a tone deaf Trump class.
The middle class has been looking for change and they have been flim-flammed into thinking the Orange One can give it to them. The greed of the media looking at all their ad profits blinded them (and the NYT) to the danger of this man. It is probably to late to reverse course. This column should have been written a year ago. The middle class is looking for a dictator and they have one in their sights.
The middle class has been looking for change and they have been flim-flammed into thinking the Orange One can give it to them. The greed of the media looking at all their ad profits blinded them (and the NYT) to the danger of this man. It is probably to late to reverse course. This column should have been written a year ago. The middle class is looking for a dictator and they have one in their sights.
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it's too early to endorse. let the debates happen.
you know, i like HRC. But I am tired of people saying Trump can't be Trump (within reason.) He has a lot of "paradoxical" ideas about various topics. But this is not a bad thing. It's very human.
I thought the Iraq War made sense at the time. I still think we are better off having done it -- but i of course see how the premise was flawed, and how the costs have been huge. So, I would have wanted us to go about doing it very differently in hindsight.
But things are complex. Most things are complex. It is silly to reduce policy to one soundbite view. Trump, in this way, sounds more like a real person some of the time. And Hilary sounds rigid and reductionist.
Is Islam a religion of peace? No, but it has a lot of nice things in it -- and different Muslims read it differently. But it is not a religion of peace. It actually has been used to drive violence, and Imams of a certain stripe read it as driving violence. Many Muslims see it that way too.
So why the reductionism? It just sounds stupid to be so offensively simplistic about things.
you know, i like HRC. But I am tired of people saying Trump can't be Trump (within reason.) He has a lot of "paradoxical" ideas about various topics. But this is not a bad thing. It's very human.
I thought the Iraq War made sense at the time. I still think we are better off having done it -- but i of course see how the premise was flawed, and how the costs have been huge. So, I would have wanted us to go about doing it very differently in hindsight.
But things are complex. Most things are complex. It is silly to reduce policy to one soundbite view. Trump, in this way, sounds more like a real person some of the time. And Hilary sounds rigid and reductionist.
Is Islam a religion of peace? No, but it has a lot of nice things in it -- and different Muslims read it differently. But it is not a religion of peace. It actually has been used to drive violence, and Imams of a certain stripe read it as driving violence. Many Muslims see it that way too.
So why the reductionism? It just sounds stupid to be so offensively simplistic about things.
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Trump is scary, very scary according to the NYT.
So easy to scare poor Liberals.
They are scared of being called racist by the flame throwers if they support secure borders and legal immigration.
They are scared that Trump might work productively with Russia.
They are scared that other countries in NATO should be asked to pay their fair share.
They are scared that the US military would not be used as the primary foreign policy tool.
They are scared to reexamine past trade deals and honestly ask if they have delivered the results that they promised.
They are scared that Trump offers Black people a non condescending alternative.
Colin Powell said that everything Hillary touches is botched,
Her record is one of being handed high positions in government and then screwing up every decision made. Egypt, Syria, Libya all improved through Hillary's war like nature.
Why anyone wants a war mongering failure such as Hillary to continue along the path of international destruction so beloved by the establishment?
You don't have to one for Trump, but voting for Hillary is a voting against the US.
So easy to scare poor Liberals.
They are scared of being called racist by the flame throwers if they support secure borders and legal immigration.
They are scared that Trump might work productively with Russia.
They are scared that other countries in NATO should be asked to pay their fair share.
They are scared that the US military would not be used as the primary foreign policy tool.
They are scared to reexamine past trade deals and honestly ask if they have delivered the results that they promised.
They are scared that Trump offers Black people a non condescending alternative.
Colin Powell said that everything Hillary touches is botched,
Her record is one of being handed high positions in government and then screwing up every decision made. Egypt, Syria, Libya all improved through Hillary's war like nature.
Why anyone wants a war mongering failure such as Hillary to continue along the path of international destruction so beloved by the establishment?
You don't have to one for Trump, but voting for Hillary is a voting against the US.
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Too little. Too late. Thanks NYT and the corporate media!
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Wouldn't it be oh so sweet, instead of taking it again and letting him get whatever he wants, for once to be able to feed a big fat bully, who has kicked sand in the faces of all of us who aren't beautiful woman or fellow priviledged alpha male playboy billionaires, a big fat humble pie?
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True, true and true.
A very brave article.
And my gut feeling says that an article like this will not be possible to get published anymore by any newspaper in the US once Mr. Trump is elected.
A very brave article.
And my gut feeling says that an article like this will not be possible to get published anymore by any newspaper in the US once Mr. Trump is elected.
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If this fascist entity we call Trump ends up being elected, this 2016 election will be the last free one that we will ever see in America...and how many of the NY Times' columnists will be permitted to continue to publish?
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To start with you have a big drudge with Trump going way back. Besides,who asked your opinion? Let us see what you do once he gets elected!! You and I, both voted not once but twice for the buffoon George W. Donald is way smarter than W. So there! Let us see what wonderful things Donald will do, so you stop biting his shoes!
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It's Germany 1933. The crash of '29 has hit the working class hard. A brash demagogue promises easy answers routed in nationalism and xenophobia. The media is neutered by expertise in propaganda and intimidation. Anger and racism are on the rise. Things move more swiftly than social and political institutions can react. It can happen again.
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Enough beating around the bush with the word 'President." All of his behavior and words point to one thing only.
That is: Dictator Trump.
That is: Dictator Trump.
His racism and sexism are well-known and galling, but what I think will move most undecideds is the level of his corruption or financial ethical "challenges." The NYT should focus more on the finances of his foundation, profiteering from 9/11, etc. There should be an editorial every day seeking release of his tax returns.
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What a loser.
He promised glitz & glamour and non-stop A-list celebrities at the RNC in Cleveland, and look what he delivered ... Scott Baio? Tim Tebow (his name dangled but not actually invited), a parade of D-list unknowns or washed up has-beens, a barely holding it together mother of a lost son (actually sad to see her unravel in public), and a seemingly never ending series of blustering gas bags like Giuliani, Cruz, & Ingraham.
He doesn't deliver. Never has. Never will.
He promised glitz & glamour and non-stop A-list celebrities at the RNC in Cleveland, and look what he delivered ... Scott Baio? Tim Tebow (his name dangled but not actually invited), a parade of D-list unknowns or washed up has-beens, a barely holding it together mother of a lost son (actually sad to see her unravel in public), and a seemingly never ending series of blustering gas bags like Giuliani, Cruz, & Ingraham.
He doesn't deliver. Never has. Never will.
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Tonight 60 minutes offered the scenario of Russia attacking the Baltics while NATO is in disrepair. Putin considers Trump a chump who would have no means to counter him except nuclear weapons. Considering that President Trump would have no respect among our allies and no longer could depend on us Trump could do nothing. Putin knows this and it is the reason Putin would love to face Trump rather than the tough cookie Clinton.
Perhaps this is not the exact scenario, but Putin is bound to challenge the inept Trump. Having confidence that Trump could face a major international incident is like believing in the tooth fairy.
Perhaps this is not the exact scenario, but Putin is bound to challenge the inept Trump. Having confidence that Trump could face a major international incident is like believing in the tooth fairy.
All of this is true and yet... how many clicks has NYT.com enjoyed because of the Trump media fiasco? The Times, and every other media outlet, spends every election fascinated by the "personalities" on one hand and bemoaning the state of our democracy on the other. I have seen many days when Trump covers nearly the entire homepage of the website with just one Clinton reference, and that one was usually about the email server. The Times has not demanded that its journalists operate with integrity, but has bargained that clicks will pay for the free media they've given way, just like any other yellow rag would do. Together, the editorials on Clinton and Trump ring like a clear bell, on a dark night, with a last minute warming of the disaster ahead; however, the news and politics reporters have been driving this boat full-steam ahead toward this iceberg for the last 18 months.
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"He used the shameful “birther” campaign against President Obama’s legitimacy as a wedge for his candidacy."
This should be enough to disqualify Trump for the presidency or any other office. He is either a deep-seated bigot or a man who uses a clearly racist issue to appeal to deep-seated bigots; a difference without a distinction. His kind should be extinct in modern day America, but instead he draws out a depressingly large number of racists like moths to flame. No, not all of Trump's supporters are racists, but enough are that a Trump presidency would set back civil right in this country by a decade or perhaps a generation. Sad.
This should be enough to disqualify Trump for the presidency or any other office. He is either a deep-seated bigot or a man who uses a clearly racist issue to appeal to deep-seated bigots; a difference without a distinction. His kind should be extinct in modern day America, but instead he draws out a depressingly large number of racists like moths to flame. No, not all of Trump's supporters are racists, but enough are that a Trump presidency would set back civil right in this country by a decade or perhaps a generation. Sad.
The fruit did not fall far away from the tree - Fred Trump - a confirmed racist. And, we all know that children repeat what they hear from their parents. For example, Ivana Trump kept a copy of Adolf Hitler's speeches on hand. Not surprisingly, Donald Trump Jr.'s pearls of wisdom prove that time and again. Racism seems to a well entrenched family tradition, which must be kept out of the White House. lest we forget history and open the door to repeating it.
Any expectation that even so well-reasoned an editorial as this can possibly make a difference has long since vanished from our political earth. Donald Trump has ludicrously threatened to sue The New York Times for "irresponsible intent." If the editors maintain that Trump is a liar, a racist, a fraud, a tax cheat, and a crook, the Times should simply and unapologetically say so, mock his threats, and call his bluff.
If Benghazi and Hillary's emails have dominated the news cycle in the recent past, isn't Trump's failure to disclose his tax returns equally newsworthy? What does he contribute to our nation's assets? how charitable is he? what foreign entanglements might compromise his decisions? does he cheat on his taxes? Shouldn't the NYT and other media be pursuing these questions relentlessly?
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Just what we need.
Another republican Viet Nam draft dodger Donald Trump as Commander in Chief.
Like the cabal of all Viet Nam dodgers, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Wolfowitz, Kristol and Bolton did not so enough damage invading and occupying Afghanistan and first thing, allowing bin Laden to walk, unmolested out of Tora Bora to lead AQ another decade.
Like their Charge of The Fools Brigade into Iraq, where torture became USG policy, where they unleashed sectarian bloodshed unknown in the modern Middle east, where their concentrating captured AQ at Camp Bucca became the University of ISIL. Where 4,489 GI's lives were wasted. For nothing. For no thing.
Like republican nominee the Viet Nam draft dodger Willard Mitty Romney promised Netanyahu and Adelson eternal jihad against Iran.
Yes please, more republican Viet Nam draft dodgers, playing tough guys, please.
Another republican Viet Nam draft dodger Donald Trump as Commander in Chief.
Like the cabal of all Viet Nam dodgers, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Wolfowitz, Kristol and Bolton did not so enough damage invading and occupying Afghanistan and first thing, allowing bin Laden to walk, unmolested out of Tora Bora to lead AQ another decade.
Like their Charge of The Fools Brigade into Iraq, where torture became USG policy, where they unleashed sectarian bloodshed unknown in the modern Middle east, where their concentrating captured AQ at Camp Bucca became the University of ISIL. Where 4,489 GI's lives were wasted. For nothing. For no thing.
Like republican nominee the Viet Nam draft dodger Willard Mitty Romney promised Netanyahu and Adelson eternal jihad against Iran.
Yes please, more republican Viet Nam draft dodgers, playing tough guys, please.
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The donald is making good a fool of all of us.
I think it's been shown often, people are not rational decision makers. There is a yearning for change, and voting for Donald, people feel they are inflicting change on Washington. Something that Bernie Sanders represented as well, and Hillary doesn't. It's as simple as that. People believe that even Trump knows that we know he's 'selling us'. The point of frustration is that hypocracy of HRC that is tough to get beyond, regardless of all the editorials supporting it.
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Agree agree completely. Trump is a disaster (to use one of his favorite descriptives). Unfortunately those who should read and digest your editorial won't (or can't). I am terribly afraid that we are looking at some dark times; government by the lowest common denominator. I'll be tuned in and rooting for Sec Clinton. She's got my vote. Take the clown down, Madam Secretary!
Donald Trump is a liar of the worst kind: an unrepentant liar. He's also a disgusting racist and a psychopath without a scintilla of a conscience. Now you ask yourself, how can he have so much support? Because those who support Trump are worse than he is. Donald Trump is a coward, imagine what that makes his supporters, worse than cowards, for they channel their true selves through him. Like Hitler, Trump is an evil, worthless entity, but their supporters are worse for they choose to follow and support evil.
Unfortunately, The Times' editors are spitting in the wind with this fine editorial because too many members of the gullible, ignorant and racist American electorate will never see it or believe it.
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This should have been the NYT's column for Clinton endorsement. It makes a much more honest and logical argument for choosing her. Pretty much everything that was written in that column was an in-credible whitewash and diminished the credibility of this very important follow up column.
Because this is a democracy, one must be prepared for the opposite of one's own view. In the case of a president Trump, if the Republican is elected, those opposed will have to be very diligent in observing and protesting every action he makes that is harmful to our hopes and dreams. PREPARE FOR THE WORST, and hope for the best.
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Well said and I admire the restraint of the Board to not go further in criticizing Donald Trump. Money gives the illusion of sanity and smarts. He is lacking both. Every Century a dangerous person somehow gets through to the public. He passes through extraordinary gates that are closed to sociopathic people, a system of safety gates to prevent a dangerous person from destroying mankind. He made it through. It's unreal. He must be stopped. To his supporters, read about the population of Germany who survived the War, the endless cries of guilt, "we didn't know" . Nonsense. While Hitler was appointed, not elected, he had the support of the vast majority of Germans, all through fear mongering in their lowest moment. His stunt worked to the tragedy of mankind, the repercussions felt to this day. Trump won't win. I have faith in people. But what now happens to his dedicated misinformed, brainwashed, crazed followers? The country divides further. We are in serious trouble already because of him. NYT, when will you do a true profile on his darkest secrets, illegal practices and shady connections in Russia. Front page!
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Trump is the anarchist's modern equivalent of that ball shaped bomb with a fuse sticking out. He is the instrument of change through destruction, to reduce the State to fragments of semi-autonomy each ruled by the loud-mouth and the bully: the United Hates of America.
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If you are patriotic, and love your country, don't vote for Trump, an immoral, narcissistic liar who will demean the country as he attempts to "lead" it toward one bad objective after another.
If you love your country, vote for Sec. Clinton, who is moral, experienced, and very competent. However, after she is elected, protest against her every time she appoints a representative of Wall Street to her Administration, and every time she facilitates the obscene over-funding of our military and the senseless military interventions in which this nation has indulged (especially, although not exclusively, under Republican administrations).
If you love your country, vote for Sec. Clinton, who is moral, experienced, and very competent. However, after she is elected, protest against her every time she appoints a representative of Wall Street to her Administration, and every time she facilitates the obscene over-funding of our military and the senseless military interventions in which this nation has indulged (especially, although not exclusively, under Republican administrations).
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In a conflict with this sham artist and his GOP/FoxNews monkey army, only the stoutest patriot with a buck of water and a plurality of courageous voters from all our national diversity can defeat the nightmare from the land of (Dr) Oz.
Or there is no Kansas anymore and Toto will have been tortured and eaten.
Or there is no Kansas anymore and Toto will have been tortured and eaten.
And yet he is polling nearly even with Hillary Clinton. In a tight race you can depend on a candidate like Donald Trump to find some balm or bomb for independents or progressives, respectively, near the end of the race.
A likely bad showing in the debates may corner him. And like a trapped rat he may be forced to unleash his temper to early to have a lasting effect. Let's pray.
A likely bad showing in the debates may corner him. And like a trapped rat he may be forced to unleash his temper to early to have a lasting effect. Let's pray.
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Except I read elsewhere that he has been studying for the debates by reviewing psychological profiles of Secretary Clinton, paid for by Bannon and Company. Supposedly, they have been analyzing all of her past debates, have zeroed in on when they believe she appears unsure of an answer because of her mannerisms, and have coached him to recognize those instances and pounce. It will be a brutal encounter and I believe the outcome is unpredictable. I love Hillary and agree with the POTUS that she is the most qualified person to seek the office in recent memory. But she is running against perhaps the most evil person to do so.
Within 100 days of a Trump Presidency Russian's dictator Vladimir Putin will secure the Ukraine militarily. The leader Trump admires will create a diversion in Estonia--Trump will bluster, blame it on Obama but is left flat-footed.
Emboldened, North Korea will take an island off South Korea and bolster it's troops on the border, Trump feeling burned by Putin orders a 'limited' nuclear attack on North Korea targets--China reacts, as does Russia, and then Israel . A multi-nation nuclear exchange begins.
No joke.
Emboldened, North Korea will take an island off South Korea and bolster it's troops on the border, Trump feeling burned by Putin orders a 'limited' nuclear attack on North Korea targets--China reacts, as does Russia, and then Israel . A multi-nation nuclear exchange begins.
No joke.
Trump's call for "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" is so full of holes that even God cannot fill up those falsehoods with which he became a nominee.
He's not only unfit to be the President of the United States, he doesn't even have a quality to rule Timbuktu or the country of Mozambique in Africa.
Now in tonight's debate with Hillary, hope the moderators pepper him with questions about his various bankruptcies and his very shady and totally criminal adventures with Trump University.
If he was an honest man, he'd have returned all the money that he took from hundreds of innocent students who thought they were getting a legitimate degree run by Trump himself and not by sheer criminals with very shady past.
That itself should disqualify Trump as the President of this country besides his refusal to show where all his money is invested.
I bet a major portion of his money is invested in hundreds of 'shell' companies in Ireland,Dubai,China,Russia,Bahamas or maybe in Timbuktu itself where he should move, maybe as their King because we do not want a demagogue or culturally tone-deaf President who rose into prominence only because of his bombast and divisiveness who talks only about insulting our law abiding citizens whose only fault as per him is that they were not born White like almost all his followers are.
That is not a sign of an elected leader who's supposed to be the leader of the entire country which is almost grey now with millions of hard working Americans who're not White.
He's not only unfit to be the President of the United States, he doesn't even have a quality to rule Timbuktu or the country of Mozambique in Africa.
Now in tonight's debate with Hillary, hope the moderators pepper him with questions about his various bankruptcies and his very shady and totally criminal adventures with Trump University.
If he was an honest man, he'd have returned all the money that he took from hundreds of innocent students who thought they were getting a legitimate degree run by Trump himself and not by sheer criminals with very shady past.
That itself should disqualify Trump as the President of this country besides his refusal to show where all his money is invested.
I bet a major portion of his money is invested in hundreds of 'shell' companies in Ireland,Dubai,China,Russia,Bahamas or maybe in Timbuktu itself where he should move, maybe as their King because we do not want a demagogue or culturally tone-deaf President who rose into prominence only because of his bombast and divisiveness who talks only about insulting our law abiding citizens whose only fault as per him is that they were not born White like almost all his followers are.
That is not a sign of an elected leader who's supposed to be the leader of the entire country which is almost grey now with millions of hard working Americans who're not White.
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Everyone will be able to see with his/hers eyes, tonight, who is Donald Trump. I wish only to encourage everyone not to project on him their despair, their hate of the others, their wish to kill the enemy. Because Donald Trump is there only to gather all the votes of people living those dramatic and desperate conditions and to do nothing in return. He simply feeds his narcissism, with your votes!
The "60 Minutes" piece last night about Russia's nuclear arsenal, and the view of some experts that they may be tempted to use it, should awaken those Trumpistas who ignore Trump's admiration of Putin, especially since he is financially in debt to Putin's oligarchs.
Imagine the screams of the right had Ms. Clinton cozied up to a Russian Communist.
Have the people on the right lost their collective minds?
Imagine the screams of the right had Ms. Clinton cozied up to a Russian Communist.
Have the people on the right lost their collective minds?
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What took you so long? The Fourth Estate has failed the American public. Your obsession with emails caused you to miss the real issues. NYT, you and the rest of media are a day late and a dollar short.
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I have told many friends that should Trump be elected president, the American flag that flies in front of my home will be taken down. I'll know then that we have entered the dark days of demise.
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