God bless America, and thank you, Colin Kaepernick, for continuing the discussion.
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As an entertainer who is highly paid to entertain a wide swath of fans, Kaepernick risks insulting many of them with his personal indulgences. Protest on your own time.
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Colin Kaepernick has been very beloved here in Nevada. I respect his right to free speech and say to those who think he should stop: what's the good having freedom of speech if you can't use it?
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Thomas Jefferson wrote, "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." Those who take the oath of office swear to protect and defend the Constitution, not to protect or defend an anthem or flag, revered though those are. They're only symbols of the rights--including the right to free expression---that the Constitution grants us. When (if ever) we truly "secure the blessings of Liberty" for ALL Americans, the Kaepernicks of our country won't need to protest inequality any more.
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"Colin Kaepernick Finds His Butt".
It's fine that Kaepernick sits or kneels (The kneeling is interesting since it generally evokes submission to a higher authority, but I suspec he just realized that a sitting player is less visible to cameras than a kneeling one.)
The Constitution is far more important than the anthem or the pledge of allegiance.
I also support the public and the media treating his seated speech as non newsworthy, I don't see cameras scanning the crowds at games to find other seated protestors, nor interviewing any they find to discover what political views they are expressing with their choice to remain seated.
But let's not make him a hero for sitting out the anthem. It's fine he has "discovered his voice" but in what way is it productive? Does his butt or knee cure racism and alleged police brutality when it is called into action?
It would be nice if the media did an articles on how great it is that in this country the citizens can criticize the government out in the open, during a televised event, when they are members of a greatly privileged class, and even when their political views arise out of lazy thinking and dishonest social media creations.
As for Michael Powell's piece - go ahead and celebrate that he has some that he's willing to sit down/kneel for. And next time make sure you mention his socks. Those are part of his newly found voice too.
It's fine that Kaepernick sits or kneels (The kneeling is interesting since it generally evokes submission to a higher authority, but I suspec he just realized that a sitting player is less visible to cameras than a kneeling one.)
The Constitution is far more important than the anthem or the pledge of allegiance.
I also support the public and the media treating his seated speech as non newsworthy, I don't see cameras scanning the crowds at games to find other seated protestors, nor interviewing any they find to discover what political views they are expressing with their choice to remain seated.
But let's not make him a hero for sitting out the anthem. It's fine he has "discovered his voice" but in what way is it productive? Does his butt or knee cure racism and alleged police brutality when it is called into action?
It would be nice if the media did an articles on how great it is that in this country the citizens can criticize the government out in the open, during a televised event, when they are members of a greatly privileged class, and even when their political views arise out of lazy thinking and dishonest social media creations.
As for Michael Powell's piece - go ahead and celebrate that he has some that he's willing to sit down/kneel for. And next time make sure you mention his socks. Those are part of his newly found voice too.
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"I pledge allegiance to...liberty and justice for all."
When we have that, we'll all stand during the anthem.
When we have that, we'll all stand during the anthem.
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I'm a white guy. I watch the news. For years, at best, we've seen the press tell us two versions of events. One from the viewpoint of bystanders and one from the police. In many cases, they agree. In many others, they differ. Before the preponderance of cell phone videos, when they differed, we had to guess who to believe. The police had an advantage on this score not just because of prejudice, but also because we all have an investment in trusting them to do right. Now with these videos, we are shocked and horrified to realize how many of these incidents are just as the bystanders reported, and not as the police contend. And it just doesn't stop.
This is what good folks call a teachable moment. Yet, Black Lives Matter - an inspiring political action group - has been criticized for their name, and Colin Kaepernick has been criticized because of the time and place that he's protesting. I think he is doing exactly the right thing - leveraging his specific visibility to not let this movement or it's goals fade, before we move onto something else, or distract ourselves with sports entertainment. The inspiring part is that this talented articulate, wealthy man doesn't have to do this. Except, clearly his moral sense of justice requires him to. It makes me wonder what I should be doing.
This is what good folks call a teachable moment. Yet, Black Lives Matter - an inspiring political action group - has been criticized for their name, and Colin Kaepernick has been criticized because of the time and place that he's protesting. I think he is doing exactly the right thing - leveraging his specific visibility to not let this movement or it's goals fade, before we move onto something else, or distract ourselves with sports entertainment. The inspiring part is that this talented articulate, wealthy man doesn't have to do this. Except, clearly his moral sense of justice requires him to. It makes me wonder what I should be doing.
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The symbol of our nation is not a flag. Regarding the flag as sacred is idolatry.
The symbol of our nation is an IDEA, which cannot be put on a pole or in a box, the idea of freedom and equality and justice for all. We have not achieved the ideal of the idea yet so CK is free to protest that fact. The haves are overly worried about the idol flag but should be more concerned that the have-nots do not experience the ideal yet.
The symbol of our nation is an IDEA, which cannot be put on a pole or in a box, the idea of freedom and equality and justice for all. We have not achieved the ideal of the idea yet so CK is free to protest that fact. The haves are overly worried about the idol flag but should be more concerned that the have-nots do not experience the ideal yet.
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I support Mr. Kaepernick's actions. They are fully in accord with every US citizen's fundamental constitutional rights as are the protests of his detractors. If a US citizen is prohibited from protesting during the singing of our national anthem, then what real meaning does our anthem have?
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When Thoreau wanted to protest the great injustice of his time did he walk into town and spit in front of the Meeting House where the townspeople were engaged in prayer?
No, he went to jail, and sat with his guilt, and personally came to terms with the sin his nation had dyed onto his soul, even though he had no part in it. He undertook this a personal endeavor, instead of gazing out in rapprochement against his family, friends and fellow citizens.
No, he went to jail, and sat with his guilt, and personally came to terms with the sin his nation had dyed onto his soul, even though he had no part in it. He undertook this a personal endeavor, instead of gazing out in rapprochement against his family, friends and fellow citizens.
Let us try to understand what the reality of America is.
If you are poor - you are a 3rd class citizen, if even that.
God help you if you are poor and get tangled in the "Web of In-Justice"
for even if you are innocent you probably cannot make bail
or pay the fine and so will have to spend time in the County Jail -
and so lose your job, your residence, your car and then where are you ?
It is not at all about the tincture of your skin but how much money you have.
As for Kaepernick, if it took him that long to realise that sad simple fact....
Meanwhile Americans of his age and that of his team-mates are serving their 2nd/3rd/fourth and even fifth tours of duty.
If those soldiers can stand for the Flag of our flawed country so can Kaepernick and all the overpaid and inconsequential athletes
who do not deserve the fame/glory and money paid to them.
Instead those should be going to the soldiers who give their lives for
our freedom.
You, Mr. Powell, should be ashamed of your not standing for the flag
during the Vietnam War, or did you think Ho Chi Minh - that War Criminal
and mass killer of the very people he said he was trying to liberate -
was a good man in a noble cause ?
If you are poor - you are a 3rd class citizen, if even that.
God help you if you are poor and get tangled in the "Web of In-Justice"
for even if you are innocent you probably cannot make bail
or pay the fine and so will have to spend time in the County Jail -
and so lose your job, your residence, your car and then where are you ?
It is not at all about the tincture of your skin but how much money you have.
As for Kaepernick, if it took him that long to realise that sad simple fact....
Meanwhile Americans of his age and that of his team-mates are serving their 2nd/3rd/fourth and even fifth tours of duty.
If those soldiers can stand for the Flag of our flawed country so can Kaepernick and all the overpaid and inconsequential athletes
who do not deserve the fame/glory and money paid to them.
Instead those should be going to the soldiers who give their lives for
our freedom.
You, Mr. Powell, should be ashamed of your not standing for the flag
during the Vietnam War, or did you think Ho Chi Minh - that War Criminal
and mass killer of the very people he said he was trying to liberate -
was a good man in a noble cause ?
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I do love the USA and I'm all for national pride, but I've often wondered why we celebrate a national anthem with lyrics penned by a guy who PROSECUTED people for OPPOSING slavery.
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Run, block, throw, catch, tackle. Do football. Stop playing SSB before athletic events - they're not patriotic displays, they're just games. Don't make non-lethal contests about racial superiority or levels of childhood privilege. Just play ball (he said forlornly, knowing that the money is for the spectacle, not the game...).
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"Reporters asked (Kaepernick) what he made of the former quarterback Dilfer's insistence that as a backup quarterback he should remain in the shadows."
In other words..."Get to the back of the bus, boy....and stay there."
In other words..."Get to the back of the bus, boy....and stay there."
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There is no historical or legal requirement to play national anthems before sporting events. It is merely CUSTOMARY and customs change. Those who consider ourselves human beings first and Americans second find the false rah-rah groupthink to be inconsistent with democratic deals. I haven't attended a professional sporting event once in my 61 years on the planet. I view professional sports as surrogate for war, a weapon of mass distraction masking our many intractable yet solvable problems. The billions we pour into taxpayer funded stadiums, overpriced beer, bookies, player jerseys and team related kitsch are dollars NOT spent on education, roads, bridges, hospitals, R&D and a social safety net.
The anthem was originally played during the seventh inning stretch of baseball games, starting with the 1918 World Series. If anything, the anthem should be a halftime break instead of a mandatory loyalty preamble. How can we claim to be a free nation if we are COMPELLED to stand and spout lyrics of a long forgotten battle in Baltimore harbor, sung to the melody of an ancient English drinking ditty? It's like making the successful completion of "Simon Sez" a requirement for citizenship - irrelevant, unnecessary and coercive.
The anthem was originally played during the seventh inning stretch of baseball games, starting with the 1918 World Series. If anything, the anthem should be a halftime break instead of a mandatory loyalty preamble. How can we claim to be a free nation if we are COMPELLED to stand and spout lyrics of a long forgotten battle in Baltimore harbor, sung to the melody of an ancient English drinking ditty? It's like making the successful completion of "Simon Sez" a requirement for citizenship - irrelevant, unnecessary and coercive.
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I don't believe Kaepernick's protests divides fans - they were already divided.
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A couple of thought on Kaepernick's protest. First, nobody steps into the fire as he has because the want attention. Those who point that finger aren't to be taken seriously. Second, enforced patriotism is something that one should never take part in. Jesse Owens is held up, either justifiably or cynically, as a model for standing up in the face of that in the 1936 Olympics. And finally, as others (not nearly enough) have noted, what Kaepernick is doing was actually quite widespread back in the 1960s-70s. On the base I was stationed on, a large percentage of us enlisted men (it was overwhelmingly men on my base) also refused to "honor" the national anthem and flag...this was during the height of the Vietnam war, though we were no where near Vietnam. Many of us did not feel that we should be thanked for participating in a military that was committing murder on a massive scale by carpet bombing a country "back to the stone age," as Jeffrey Hart (among others) put it.
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While Mr. Kaepernick is well within his rights to protest, the fact is lost that he is actually protesting the actions of a few members of our society. He should be standing for the national anthem and celebrating that, while we have our issues, America is still capable of identifying and working-out those issues. He should be directing his ire at those responsible instead of labeling the country wholly racist and complicit; doing so only sparks the hatred he seeks to alleviate.
Being a successful sports figure doesn't abrogate your right to free political speech. Unless you are black, of course. See Muhammad Ali.
I'm a football fan, white, generally patriotic and favorably disposed to both the police and military. But they are separate from my enjoyment of sports. 22 men fighting to move a ball 300 feet one way or the other has nothing in common with protecting our personal and collective safety. Save for the 2-way Armed Forces sponsorship tie-in, of course. But that's commerce, not patriotism.
My supporting police generally doesn't mean blanket endorsement of either rogue cops or race-oppressive policies and practices. Lethal outcomes are too frequent, but it's not just lethality - something bad is happening when entire communities feel occupied on a constant basis.
CK is a man playing a kid's game. It gives him a visibility that he's using to highlight injustice, in a gentle and peaceful way. We don't have to pretend that America is Lake Wobegon. Hopefully there is enough starch in our system to withstand a gentle reminder that while we may be a good society, we're not perfect.
If we are too fragile for this, we have much bigger problems. It's an entertainment, Trent.
I'm a football fan, white, generally patriotic and favorably disposed to both the police and military. But they are separate from my enjoyment of sports. 22 men fighting to move a ball 300 feet one way or the other has nothing in common with protecting our personal and collective safety. Save for the 2-way Armed Forces sponsorship tie-in, of course. But that's commerce, not patriotism.
My supporting police generally doesn't mean blanket endorsement of either rogue cops or race-oppressive policies and practices. Lethal outcomes are too frequent, but it's not just lethality - something bad is happening when entire communities feel occupied on a constant basis.
CK is a man playing a kid's game. It gives him a visibility that he's using to highlight injustice, in a gentle and peaceful way. We don't have to pretend that America is Lake Wobegon. Hopefully there is enough starch in our system to withstand a gentle reminder that while we may be a good society, we're not perfect.
If we are too fragile for this, we have much bigger problems. It's an entertainment, Trent.
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Everyone poll I've seen (obviously not scientific, but website polls) shows people disagree with Kaepernick by a 2:1 margin.
The article and the accompanying photo obfuscates the fact that his actions have low public support.
The article and the accompanying photo obfuscates the fact that his actions have low public support.
do you check the polls before you decide what to care about? isn't it a sign of courage on Kaepernick's part that he is willing to take an unpopular stand even if that conflicts with popular opinion and potentially jeopardizes his career?
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The San Francisco 49ers ought to give backup quarterback Colin Kaepernick, an option: Stop the foolishness or clean out your locker.
Donald Trump made the only comment that makes sense when considering Kaepernick's behaviors; “ . . . maybe he should find a country that works better for him. Let him try.”
Donald Trump made the only comment that makes sense when considering Kaepernick's behaviors; “ . . . maybe he should find a country that works better for him. Let him try.”
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Let's see what he does once he no longer has the NFL stage. Then I'll decide if I think he was legit in sitting out the national anthem.
So now that Colin K has found his voice, any chance he'll sing the National Anthem?
From Italy, where people usually are not able to stand up and keep silence during the national anthem, is significant seeing what Mr Colin made.
He just expressed his position with a full respect of all the people involved in the wars around the world, in the stadium in front the TV and the politicians including the 2 Contenders.
I hope that this act will be followed by others, at least young people, could receive the power and turn the situation.
This act as the previous ones mark the history. Thanks Mr Colin!
He just expressed his position with a full respect of all the people involved in the wars around the world, in the stadium in front the TV and the politicians including the 2 Contenders.
I hope that this act will be followed by others, at least young people, could receive the power and turn the situation.
This act as the previous ones mark the history. Thanks Mr Colin!
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I take Great Pride in Kap's actions at a time of great need by his/our people and I salute him and all the other athletes who say that they all, from Trayvon Martin to Laquan McDonald did NOT deserve their fates at the hands of a much bigoted US society. Those who have paid the greatest price and made the ultimate sacrifice. Muhammed Ali paid a big price, the original raised fist brothers in Mexico paid a great price and now there is only Kap as the leader but there will be others as every black person realize that their sacrifice is in each of our names.
It is my hope that the people of America get the message; “We are tired of being target pigeons for police officers with real personal problems and judicial systems that just give a wink and minute’s admonishment.” It took the videos to make police brutality come out of the rumor mill and grab the front page, now maybe the front page of the Sports section will get the job done that the front page maybe never tried. End Police Brutality and bring in Justice and Equality for all.
It is my hope that the people of America get the message; “We are tired of being target pigeons for police officers with real personal problems and judicial systems that just give a wink and minute’s admonishment.” It took the videos to make police brutality come out of the rumor mill and grab the front page, now maybe the front page of the Sports section will get the job done that the front page maybe never tried. End Police Brutality and bring in Justice and Equality for all.
What did I miss that gives this fellow such a forum? Is he really good or something? Make great contributions to America or important well thought statements? As an American I respect and will listen to almost any voice, and give weight according to the strength of an argument. But just not sure why he is getting so much attention. Please explain. Thanks!
I'm enjoying watching people who complain about PC culture run amuck complain about Colin Kaepernick not standing for the national anthem.
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I appreciate what our servicemen and women do for us however I am disturbed by the number of people who would have the military tell them what to do with the freedom that they believe that military gave them. Setting aside the fact that it isn't as simple as "the military gave us our freedom" (many civilians played a huge role, and paid a huge price, in that too), I never think it is wise to willingly sacrifice actual freedoms for the sake of symbols meant to represent hose freedoms. The flag does its job of representing the freedoms of our country when it flies high and proud, and perhaps more so when it burns or is trampled in protest. The same goes for the national anthem.
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That was the sound of a young man who has found his voice. YES!
Trump should find a country that works better fo him. Get otta the United States of America and the freedom for which it stands.
Trump should find a country that works better fo him. Get otta the United States of America and the freedom for which it stands.
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Everyone's in favor of free speech until you actually use it.
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Kaepernick is of course exercising a natural right. Consequently however, when unjustified police killing of African-Americans is zero he'll only be part way there. I understand that where somewhere north of 90% of gun violence results in the death of an African-American the person holding the gun is not a police officer. But I digress.
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We are all at odds with each other now in this country. The anthem was seemingly the one thing we could agree on, that no matter what, we all stood and honored it whenever it was played.
So it's no wonder this man's honorable stance is now front and center, further tattering our heart and soul.
Yet it is ALL false, the anthem, the falsity of what it represents, and even his seeming rejection of it.
There is nothing - no thing, that can unite us now.
So it's no wonder this man's honorable stance is now front and center, further tattering our heart and soul.
Yet it is ALL false, the anthem, the falsity of what it represents, and even his seeming rejection of it.
There is nothing - no thing, that can unite us now.
Not so long ago, it was okay smoke anywhere, discriminate legally against gays and other minorities, not wear seat belts or bicycle helmets, physically abuse your partner, etc. but society has moved on and no longer tacitly or actively approves of these. Each of these began with protests and became changes as more Americans saw high profile people take on the cause. Few are more high profile than football players. Perhaps this Kaepernick protest can move us in the direction to accepting that it is not okay to kill unarmed black men or to protect those who do. Boston has not had a shooting of an unarmed person in 25 years. So can the rest of the country.
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It was while spending a year in rural Alabama as a VISTA volunteer in 1968-69 that the words of the Pledge of Allegiance began to stick in my throat; where they become words that contradicted reality. My conscience, my truth regulator, stopped my voice at "liberty and justice for all." I later referred to my stay in Alabama as "the first developing country I ever visited."
Later, while teaching in inner city Minneapolis and serving students of Native American, African American, Cambodian, Laotian, Hmong, Somalian, Indian and other heritages, uttering the words "under God" would beg questions and a critical look at the reality of beliefs held (and hopefully respected) by those under our classroom roof: What other ways can God be spelled? How is it spelled in your family's tradition? In your tradition is there "God" or gods? In our (US) Pledge of Allegiance, what does "under God" mean?
In "the land of the free, and the home of the brave" it is Colin who is brave for those who are not free (all of us) from the consequences of racism.
Later, while teaching in inner city Minneapolis and serving students of Native American, African American, Cambodian, Laotian, Hmong, Somalian, Indian and other heritages, uttering the words "under God" would beg questions and a critical look at the reality of beliefs held (and hopefully respected) by those under our classroom roof: What other ways can God be spelled? How is it spelled in your family's tradition? In your tradition is there "God" or gods? In our (US) Pledge of Allegiance, what does "under God" mean?
In "the land of the free, and the home of the brave" it is Colin who is brave for those who are not free (all of us) from the consequences of racism.
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I have no problem with CK's stance. Since the First Amendment guarantee only applies to intrusions on the free speech right by state actors, it's nice that the 49ers and NFL let him have his say.
But talk is cheap. We all know there are problems with policing - although the facts and studies demonstrate that it has been wildly exaggerated by groups like BLM and, yes, even the President.
Indeed, a study be an eminent Harvard economist suggests that police violence is meted out against white and black citizens on an equal basis. This researcher is African-American, BTW. I wonder if Colin is aware of the academic literature. He went to college.
And giving a million dollars is a generous act. I guess. But, what Colin didn't give away keeps him in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed. No doubt.
But, just once. I'd like to see one of these guys roll up their sleeves and actually work toward a solution on a day in and day out basis. I'm not talking about running an occasional football clinic.
We need more Jim Browns - who seems to be the lone wolf out there in this regard. He's been doing it for about 4 decades.
But talk is cheap. We all know there are problems with policing - although the facts and studies demonstrate that it has been wildly exaggerated by groups like BLM and, yes, even the President.
Indeed, a study be an eminent Harvard economist suggests that police violence is meted out against white and black citizens on an equal basis. This researcher is African-American, BTW. I wonder if Colin is aware of the academic literature. He went to college.
And giving a million dollars is a generous act. I guess. But, what Colin didn't give away keeps him in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed. No doubt.
But, just once. I'd like to see one of these guys roll up their sleeves and actually work toward a solution on a day in and day out basis. I'm not talking about running an occasional football clinic.
We need more Jim Browns - who seems to be the lone wolf out there in this regard. He's been doing it for about 4 decades.
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Congrats to Colin K, and others, for asserting their rights. We can only hope that such actions will help. Nothing anti-American about it. The mixture of sports with attempts to display patriotism continue to confuse me. and, if you want to stand for the song, then at least learn the words, and sing.
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Kaepernick. I would agree with your protest IF racism was the official policy of america. It is just pointless because it is more of a protest against America and the flag. There is no place on earth that is free of racism and now we are seeing reverse racism. So in the words of a good man "can't we all just get along"?
The First Amendment is alive and well, thank goodness. Speak Kap!
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I hope this protest started by the courageous Colin Kaepernick continues to spread throughout the league.
And it would be so darn wonderful if some white players would join it!
Kap, I tip my Cap to you!
I'm white, by the way.
And it would be so darn wonderful if some white players would join it!
Kap, I tip my Cap to you!
I'm white, by the way.
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It is neither the time nor the place: Kaepernick is an employee with a contract negotiated with a football team owner. Surely, the contract holds him to professional standards of etiquette towards the American flag?
It doesn't get any better than Donald Trump's comment, "he (sic) Kaepernick)should find a country that works better for him. Let him try.”
It doesn't get any better than Donald Trump's comment, "he (sic) Kaepernick)should find a country that works better for him. Let him try.”
I'm glad that this discussion is being held by everyone, whether anyone wants to ignore it or not.
Good for K. He is a brave, powerful and articulate activist. Let's hope this leads to the NBA and NFL, which are very heavily black, into the realm of real political change.
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This world would be a different (and better) place if more people had the courage of their convictions as this man has demonstrated. Muhammed Ali was hounded by the government for his courageous stance against the War in Vietnam... until he wasn't. George Bush wound up awarding Ali with the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2005. Go figure. Real heroes are by definition controversial. Most people in Kaepernick's position have opted in the past for financial security over sticking their necks out and taking a risk. I'm glad to see that someone is finally willing to choose principles over money. Whether or not you agree with him you need to respect that.
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This is just another example of white privilege. White people love to watch black people who excel in athletics but not in academics or the professional work force. They love to see black people but not hear what they think. It's like after 400 years we want to pat black people on the heads like they are pets not people.
If you can make the several leaps of logic between a stupid sport in which grown men try to rattle each other brains into oatmeal while chasing leather ball every Sunday, Monday and Thursday, the vague and amorphous concept that comprises "patriotism" writ as "love of country" and the tens of thousands of disenfranchised individuals unfortunate enough to serve in two pointless wars started by a class of wealthy individuals whose only interest was larger dividends, you have summarized the collapse of the American mind. There simply is no connection, other than that these three things are somehow bolstering a sense of identity that hasn't existed for more than 30 years.
Every American, regardless of occupation, has the right to express their views on any subject in any manner that does not endanger the physical well-being of others.
Instead of being defensive about Kaep's protest, White America should examine what he is saying, why he is saying it and ask themselves what else about their version of reality is not working and why.
If you can make the several leaps of logic between a stupid sport in which grown men try to rattle each other brains into oatmeal while chasing leather ball every Sunday, Monday and Thursday, the vague and amorphous concept that comprises "patriotism" writ as "love of country" and the tens of thousands of disenfranchised individuals unfortunate enough to serve in two pointless wars started by a class of wealthy individuals whose only interest was larger dividends, you have summarized the collapse of the American mind. There simply is no connection, other than that these three things are somehow bolstering a sense of identity that hasn't existed for more than 30 years.
Every American, regardless of occupation, has the right to express their views on any subject in any manner that does not endanger the physical well-being of others.
Instead of being defensive about Kaep's protest, White America should examine what he is saying, why he is saying it and ask themselves what else about their version of reality is not working and why.
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Even while police "officers" were shooting and killing Black people with impunity, I wonder how many of these people who are criticizing Colin Kaepernick ever stood up against the injustice? I have noticed how certain white athletes like Dilfer and Bill Walton are quick to criticize Black athletes when they try to be themselves or stand up for themselves, but never say a word when Black Americans are being murdered under this very flag. A flag is a mere symbol of what we stand for, so are these people saying our flag represents the murdering of Black people? Dilfer represents typical Trumpism, doesn't have the guts to say he is a racist. Yet, that is the point, Mr. Dilfer, Black people no longer choose to "remain in the shadows" and you no longer have the right to enforce that order.
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"Trump said on a Seattle radio station. “And you know, maybe he should find a country that works better for him."
In other words, the country works really well for me (Trump), if you do not like it get out.
Why am I not surprised?
I think K. has the right to protest and raise attention to this issue and he is doing it in a way that should not offend anybody.
What the cops are saying is: "We don't like it that he is protesting against us".
It has nothing to do with cops being patriotic.
On the other hand, some soldiers feel that any protest during the national anthem disrespects them. As that is not the intention, as K. has said, and the act of kneeling does not offend _all_ soldiers, I would say that those soldiers are being overly sensitive on this issue and maybe not sensitive enough to the fact that the overwhelming majority of blacks killed by the police are not seeing any justice.
Shouldn't every citizen be concerned that you can be gunned down and no justice is done?
I know the police is not wrong on every case, but are they right in over 90% of the cases?
In other words, the country works really well for me (Trump), if you do not like it get out.
Why am I not surprised?
I think K. has the right to protest and raise attention to this issue and he is doing it in a way that should not offend anybody.
What the cops are saying is: "We don't like it that he is protesting against us".
It has nothing to do with cops being patriotic.
On the other hand, some soldiers feel that any protest during the national anthem disrespects them. As that is not the intention, as K. has said, and the act of kneeling does not offend _all_ soldiers, I would say that those soldiers are being overly sensitive on this issue and maybe not sensitive enough to the fact that the overwhelming majority of blacks killed by the police are not seeing any justice.
Shouldn't every citizen be concerned that you can be gunned down and no justice is done?
I know the police is not wrong on every case, but are they right in over 90% of the cases?
If Indians were choosing to sit down during the anthem, most Americans would say, well, okay. So the Indians have a legitimate beef with the nation that drove them off their lands, killed them by the thousands and penned them up in reservations. Or Japanese Americans who wanted to remind the public about being herded into concentration camps during WWII. But we expect black people to stay in line, dammit. Like Randy Newman sings, "We talked about the red, we talked about the blue, we're gonna talk about the white now, that's what we're gonna do...."
A larger question, beyond the actions of a few athletes, is why the national anthem is played so often, and why the NFL and MLB have identified themselves with America's ongoing, seemingly never ending military operations. When I was a child, during World War 2, the anthem was reserved for special occasions, not daily or weekly sports events.
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Courage is not the word to associate with those who protest during the anthem. The courage would be real and earned if Kaepernick and other 'hero' NFL - NBA players changed careers, graduated from police academy, got into cop cars and went into neighborhoods where gang violence, drugs, prostitution, single family households, battering husbands, stolen cars, run red lights, etc. would be his steady diet. Then see what they would say with their measly salaries and constant confrontations with the dregs of society and no more adoring press to highlight their athletic prowess. Not one will do it because in their gut they know they lack real courage.
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Um, question, has Vegas set the over/under line of Colin sightings in Chicago after another senseless black on black killing? I'm thinking of going all in on the under.
He has a right to protest, but the insulting socks give others the right to protest him. I don't blame the police for their taking offense.
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Superb column as usual, talk about having a voice. Michael Powell, I am so grateful for your columns.
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We agree with your goals, but not with your methods.
We agree with your goals, but this is not the time.
Sounds like the criticisms that King addressed in his Letter From a Birmingham Jail.
We agree with your goals, but this is not the time.
Sounds like the criticisms that King addressed in his Letter From a Birmingham Jail.
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How do you motivate an individual to do something he/she doesn't want to do?
Ask any leader, they'll tell you, create a want.
Unfortunately, there's no accountability for the activist trying to expose an injustice facing young black males. This lack of true leadership allows every police shooting, regardless of the circumstances, to vilify an entire group. Individuals craving expsoure can offend a large group of people if their motives and actions are not challenged. Which is what we have here. While the small and vocal supporters have rallied behind his efforts, in reality very few additional supporters where gained. Rather, a large group of people are offended by his actions. Contempt will follow and the police will question the value in policing certain areas.
Regarding the question I posed earlier, the police need to create a want for their service. What's the best way to do that?
Ask any leader, they'll tell you, create a want.
Unfortunately, there's no accountability for the activist trying to expose an injustice facing young black males. This lack of true leadership allows every police shooting, regardless of the circumstances, to vilify an entire group. Individuals craving expsoure can offend a large group of people if their motives and actions are not challenged. Which is what we have here. While the small and vocal supporters have rallied behind his efforts, in reality very few additional supporters where gained. Rather, a large group of people are offended by his actions. Contempt will follow and the police will question the value in policing certain areas.
Regarding the question I posed earlier, the police need to create a want for their service. What's the best way to do that?
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Two years ago, several players (St. Louis Rams I believe) entered a game holding their hands up and shouting -- "hands up, don't shoot" ala Michael Brown and the Ferguson shooting. As we all know, the "hands up" narrative proved to be false. A false narrative driven by media outlets such as the NY Times.
I won't judge Kaepernick. He has a right to free speech. But he himself is not oppressed. Nor are any of the players in the NFL or NBA or MLB etc., other than being a rock star, pro athlete is as good as it gets.
And while Kaepernick has a right to free speech, he should know what he is talking about. The notion that white cops are stalking and killing Black victims is simply another false narrative. Even the NY Times has published an article debunking that issue -- and the FBI and other data sources do not support the idea that Blacks are disproportionately targeted by cops, given their higher violent crime rate (7x the murder rate of whites).
I would be more impressed with all the athletes who are protesting oppression if they would work together to help build the inner cities. Some do I'm sure. But the answer to Black problems are no to be found with Al Sharpton or Charles Blow and other race mongers who proclaim Black victimization. Yes, Blacks have historically been mistreated -- but dwelling in the past is not the way forward. And we can have dialogues all day long -- but that will lead nowhere as those demanding a dialogue simply want to blame.
I won't judge Kaepernick. He has a right to free speech. But he himself is not oppressed. Nor are any of the players in the NFL or NBA or MLB etc., other than being a rock star, pro athlete is as good as it gets.
And while Kaepernick has a right to free speech, he should know what he is talking about. The notion that white cops are stalking and killing Black victims is simply another false narrative. Even the NY Times has published an article debunking that issue -- and the FBI and other data sources do not support the idea that Blacks are disproportionately targeted by cops, given their higher violent crime rate (7x the murder rate of whites).
I would be more impressed with all the athletes who are protesting oppression if they would work together to help build the inner cities. Some do I'm sure. But the answer to Black problems are no to be found with Al Sharpton or Charles Blow and other race mongers who proclaim Black victimization. Yes, Blacks have historically been mistreated -- but dwelling in the past is not the way forward. And we can have dialogues all day long -- but that will lead nowhere as those demanding a dialogue simply want to blame.
Like a number of politicians, Kaepernick's approach seems to be "evolving." First he was just sitting during the anthem. Then, apparently realizing that that did nothing to address the conditions he was protesting, he decided to make donations to charities.
But his goal still seems very vague & unfocused. He's against mistreatment of blacks & specifically recent police shootings. He says he's going to keep sitting/kneeling until "things get better," or something like that. How is heoing to measure that goal?
Considering the U.S. has not one national police force but thousands of local, state, county, etc. forces, how does Kaepernick actually expect things to improve? And how does his action encourage police depts to change?
He says he wants his actions to foster a discussion, but his anthem protest ensures that most of the discussion (thus far, anyway) is not about police or racism but about his own actions. (I'm guessing that's not what he intended).
A U.S. women's soccer player recently kneeled during the anthem, partly in solidarity with Kaepernick but also because she's experienced discrimination as a lesbian. What if any athlete who feels aggrieved decides to protest? Most athletes would qualify, whether black, hispanic, Asian, gay, etc.
People over 40 face job discrimination... maybe older athletes should protest too?
I'm glad Kaepernick is donating money, but he might want to focus on some concrete goals rather than vague "till things improve" statements.
But his goal still seems very vague & unfocused. He's against mistreatment of blacks & specifically recent police shootings. He says he's going to keep sitting/kneeling until "things get better," or something like that. How is heoing to measure that goal?
Considering the U.S. has not one national police force but thousands of local, state, county, etc. forces, how does Kaepernick actually expect things to improve? And how does his action encourage police depts to change?
He says he wants his actions to foster a discussion, but his anthem protest ensures that most of the discussion (thus far, anyway) is not about police or racism but about his own actions. (I'm guessing that's not what he intended).
A U.S. women's soccer player recently kneeled during the anthem, partly in solidarity with Kaepernick but also because she's experienced discrimination as a lesbian. What if any athlete who feels aggrieved decides to protest? Most athletes would qualify, whether black, hispanic, Asian, gay, etc.
People over 40 face job discrimination... maybe older athletes should protest too?
I'm glad Kaepernick is donating money, but he might want to focus on some concrete goals rather than vague "till things improve" statements.
Another situation that seems to show that the idea of "faithful opposition" has entirely withered in American political discourse. I think that Kaepernick is a patriot for believing that America is great enough to live up to the promise of its foundations. His point is that as long as black Americans are being brutalized and murdered by the police, America has not made good on that promise. In this, he echoes MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.
"And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:
My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,
From every mountainside, let freedom ring!
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true."
"And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:
My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,
From every mountainside, let freedom ring!
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true."
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ricodechef --
you're simply wrong. Cops are not murdering Blacks. Cops kill more Whites than Blacks -- although they do kill Blacks at a higher rate given the lower Black population -- BUT -- when you factor in the violent crime rate (Black murder rate is 7x higher than the White murder rate) -- cops are actually more likely to kill Whites than Blacks. In fact -- the Times recently printed a research piece by a Black Harvard economist that showed under the same circumstances -- cops are more likely to shoot Whites.
And -- most homicides by cops are justified -- not murder. Unfortunately -- criminals commit violent crimes, use weapons such as guns and when caught in the act -- shoot at cops -- or when the cops attempt to arrest them they resist.
If you remember the recent killing of cops in Dallas? The cops eventually killed the shooter -- but that wasn't murder. Completely justified -- as are most shootings by cops.
So -- get your facts straight and quit repeating a false narrative. Kaepernick is perpetuating a false narrative. There are real issues facing Blacks in the US -- some of it may be the result of oppression but a lot of it is Black on Black crime as well as other social ills in the Black community. Kaepernick has a right to free speech -- but uninformed speech is simply counterproductive.
you're simply wrong. Cops are not murdering Blacks. Cops kill more Whites than Blacks -- although they do kill Blacks at a higher rate given the lower Black population -- BUT -- when you factor in the violent crime rate (Black murder rate is 7x higher than the White murder rate) -- cops are actually more likely to kill Whites than Blacks. In fact -- the Times recently printed a research piece by a Black Harvard economist that showed under the same circumstances -- cops are more likely to shoot Whites.
And -- most homicides by cops are justified -- not murder. Unfortunately -- criminals commit violent crimes, use weapons such as guns and when caught in the act -- shoot at cops -- or when the cops attempt to arrest them they resist.
If you remember the recent killing of cops in Dallas? The cops eventually killed the shooter -- but that wasn't murder. Completely justified -- as are most shootings by cops.
So -- get your facts straight and quit repeating a false narrative. Kaepernick is perpetuating a false narrative. There are real issues facing Blacks in the US -- some of it may be the result of oppression but a lot of it is Black on Black crime as well as other social ills in the Black community. Kaepernick has a right to free speech -- but uninformed speech is simply counterproductive.
I had the great opportunity to interview Muhammad Ali when they took the championship away from him for refusing to go to the draft to Vietnam. The arguments against him were just as bad, yet eventually people understood. Kaepernick is following in great footsteps. Those who call him out for just wanting attention are totally missing his truth.
As the child of a 100% disabled WW II veteran who took 20 years to die of his war wounds, my father would have been the first to tell you he didn't fight for a scrap of material, he fought for a country. And that country guarantees all of us the right to have our say. The flag isn't a religious symbol and was never meant to be worshiped as a pseudo religion.
As the child of a 100% disabled WW II veteran who took 20 years to die of his war wounds, my father would have been the first to tell you he didn't fight for a scrap of material, he fought for a country. And that country guarantees all of us the right to have our say. The flag isn't a religious symbol and was never meant to be worshiped as a pseudo religion.
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I would prefer that those who desire a chance to express their point of view do so on their own, not as an employee of anyone. Were I the coach or the owner I would tell him to express his beliefs on his own media, not on my payroll. Refusal would terminate his employment immediately. Enough of this nonsense.
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Protesting where you are told rarely accomplishes the desired goal.
Blacks make up more than 80% of the NFL players so I do believe the NFL is looking out after it's own interests by not antagonizing their money makers. Reality is not nonsense if you think about it.
I stand for the Anthem because I believe in liberty and justice for all even though we fall short.
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And Kaepernick will take a knee because he believes in "believe in liberty and justice for all" in order to draw attention to those areas in which "we fall [more than a little] short."
Totally agree with Kirby. "... it is my belief that his protest is little more than a shallow gesture, something to keep him relevant in the public eye as his career wane", and his protest is a push to the SF 49ers to avoid the contract execution and put him out, ones for all. In this way if the SF 49ers cut him will be named racism organization or worse...!!!
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as a woman i have been discriminated against all my life.i would never spit on my flag or my country. maybe if they offer him a few million more he won't feel feel like such a cry baby
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His intent was to draw attention to an issue that didn't necessarily affect him, but affects many others. Here we are talking about it. He's succeeded in that regard.
Since you are such a guardian of the flag and the patriotism it represents I hope you are as outraged and outspoken when you see the flag used as a tablecloth; bikini, pants, in a used car commercial, etc. People that are not are just big hypocrites.
God bless Colin Kaepernick. I applaud this young man and his courage.
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Many people have issues with CK as a player who would never talk freely to the press about his play during football games, always very sullen, answering questions in one or two word utterances. Now as his level of play has diminished, the success of the 49er team has dropped off dramatically, and his contract is renewed, he supports change to social conditions that he never saw up close and personally or experienced growing up in California's Central Valley and playing football at UNR. His voice is heard and protected by the 1st Amendment, but the reality to many people is that he's a backup quarterback spokesperson that gets more attention than the starters on the field do.
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good for Colin Kaepernick and his continuation of this most important protest. from the very beginning i hoped other players would join him and they have. i am so happy. this anthem before sporting events has absolutely no place at any event. sporting event are not examples of patriotism. actually the most important patriotic act at any sports event is mr Colin Kaepernick and his cohorts standing for whatt they believe. this is so important and so good for this nation. cheers to all involved
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Kapernick's symbolic protest is not some publicity stunt but a genuine effort to raise awareness of a wart in American society. The issues he raises are the ones we need to be talking about, not whether he is kneeling or standing during the anthem.
His act has not meant to disrespect the country or military, and in any case, patriotism is not the exclusive domain of soldiers, law enforcement & fire fighters. All citizens have a right to demand justice, fight inequality, and defend the ideals of American society, not just in battlefields but also in ball parks.
BTW, many would consider the act of using national flags & anthems as gimmicky props in sports itself as disrespectful, not to speak of American flag themed bikinis & undies that people flaunt as a mark of their 'patriotism'.
It is about time Americans start a serious dialog on the message of race & income inequalities in this country, rather than criticizing the messenger.
His act has not meant to disrespect the country or military, and in any case, patriotism is not the exclusive domain of soldiers, law enforcement & fire fighters. All citizens have a right to demand justice, fight inequality, and defend the ideals of American society, not just in battlefields but also in ball parks.
BTW, many would consider the act of using national flags & anthems as gimmicky props in sports itself as disrespectful, not to speak of American flag themed bikinis & undies that people flaunt as a mark of their 'patriotism'.
It is about time Americans start a serious dialog on the message of race & income inequalities in this country, rather than criticizing the messenger.
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He has every right to protest. Too bad, in my opinion, that it is misguided. He is protesting the very symbol that actually gives him that right to protest in the first place. How much of his 114 MILLION DOLLAR salary does he give to charity? Why did he miss the rally in his honor that he promised to attend? Misguided loser no-show. He needs to stand up for his flag and stand up for his cause. Both are worth it.
Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Yes, thank you, someone with a good train of thought... Someone who understands.
The MN Twins sat in the clubhouse while Anthem was played at thee games I attended this spring. I couldn't believe it. Even asked Corey Provus (sp?), the Twins announcer who was on filed and he sheepishly shrugged. One of the silliest things I've seen at an MLB game -- 18,00 lemmings (hey, the Twins don't draw...) standing for the Anthem while players sat in clubhouse. I'm guessing they come out of the clubhouse now...
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Colin is right.
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It's not about Colin
It's about business and censorship
It's about maintaining the American myth of freedom for all and equality that this country was founded on. Those words have always existed and they've been mostly hollow throughout or history.
All men recreated equal meant all white men
We're all supposedly free right?
But don't protest
You will suffer
I suspect a majority of minorities agree with Colin but understand the risks of doing what he's doing. Athletes that visibly support Colin lose their sponsorships. Blacks are weak despite being the majority of nfl players. It's a plantation.
Whites have the money and the power and many don't like to see the protest. They want entertainment at a game. It's reasonable. Many are brainwashed to think the flag and anthem mean something holy. We are an "exceptional" nation remember. America has moral authority to be the worlds police because we are "free" nation that treats everyone well. That's our founding ethos right?
Suppressing Colin's display is good business. Whites tend to be the customers and the customer is always right?
I've noticed that white Americans refuse to actually talk about the issues Colin is protesting. They simply state that he's being disrespectful by protesting.
This is a refusal to engage in a conversation and problem solve. It's happening because of asymmetric power in America along racial lines.
It's hard being a minority in a white mans world
It's about business and censorship
It's about maintaining the American myth of freedom for all and equality that this country was founded on. Those words have always existed and they've been mostly hollow throughout or history.
All men recreated equal meant all white men
We're all supposedly free right?
But don't protest
You will suffer
I suspect a majority of minorities agree with Colin but understand the risks of doing what he's doing. Athletes that visibly support Colin lose their sponsorships. Blacks are weak despite being the majority of nfl players. It's a plantation.
Whites have the money and the power and many don't like to see the protest. They want entertainment at a game. It's reasonable. Many are brainwashed to think the flag and anthem mean something holy. We are an "exceptional" nation remember. America has moral authority to be the worlds police because we are "free" nation that treats everyone well. That's our founding ethos right?
Suppressing Colin's display is good business. Whites tend to be the customers and the customer is always right?
I've noticed that white Americans refuse to actually talk about the issues Colin is protesting. They simply state that he's being disrespectful by protesting.
This is a refusal to engage in a conversation and problem solve. It's happening because of asymmetric power in America along racial lines.
It's hard being a minority in a white mans world
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This is a peripheral point, but if I stand during the national anthem, am I supporting our troops or is it a more general pride in country? Are people upset because this is really seen as disrespect for troops, or is that just seen as an irrefutable criticism, so people make it, even if its not to the point?
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Were you paying attention you'd know wearing a flag pin and cheering when a kid on two prosthetics walks onto the field in the pregame is the new patriotism.
To those who castigate Kaepernick, bring up his salary, and question the sincerity of his motives, ask yourself: What did he stand to gain by engaging in protest, and what did he stand to lose?
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#1. Lots of attention for a protesting Millennial football player, #2. He has nothing to lose - unless the owner of his football contract cleans out his locker.
Most of these people are just plain unreasonable about Colin's talent and wealth. If most of these people read his biography, they would have realized that football is one of three national sports in which he demonstrated the least talent. He could have been a top baseball or basketball player in which he probably would have had a much longer career, but chose football. So, NA, you are right. Most of the people criticizing him based on his income are either dishonest about their opinion or never even thought of your question? To many Americans wealth is the most important value, murdering innocent people, that's just a nuisance.
After initially reading about Kaep's protest, I was not pleased. Since most niner's are already not pleased with him (for his football), it was following the current trend. A few days ago, a relative who fought on foreign soil in foreign wars asked my opinion and politely did not espouse their's but I'm pretty sure they weren't happy with Kaep. I have to respectfully disagree. This morning on the Bay Area news a local resident of an upscale community complained: we go to football games to escape the drama of every day life. In other words, don't bother me while I'm having fun. That point of view was one that I had zero respect for and absolute contempt for. The valid questions are: Is his cause valid and the answer is of course it is. Is he respectful in his protest and again the answer is of course he is. Lastly, is his protest going to result in positive or negative consequences. That's not entirely up to him. If the "don't bother me crowd" win, it won't.
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Hey, Trent why don't try walking a mile in Kaepernick's shoes....talk to him and ask him why he is doing what he is doing...its nice to look down on people from your perch and not know what they are thinking and doing...a real classless move...shame on you.
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Whatever all his motive(s) are, I applaud Mr. Kaepernick for expressing his views, which is his right, and doing so in a non-violent fashion in a very public forum where he knows he's going to anger many people. His actions have kick-started a long overdue conversation of sorts about what the national anthem means in general, what it means before an athletic competition, and what it means as a show of patriotism.
If everyone were to give as much thought to what patriotism really means, and how best to show it, as Mr. Kaepernick has in protesting something he, and many others of all races in this country also protest, we'd all be much better off. Patriotism is a whole lot more that wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin or standing and singing the national anthem. For example, Dick Cheney has done both of those things in spades, and yet he was somehow able to get multiple deferments and avoid going to Viet Nam. What a true patriot!
If everyone were to give as much thought to what patriotism really means, and how best to show it, as Mr. Kaepernick has in protesting something he, and many others of all races in this country also protest, we'd all be much better off. Patriotism is a whole lot more that wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin or standing and singing the national anthem. For example, Dick Cheney has done both of those things in spades, and yet he was somehow able to get multiple deferments and avoid going to Viet Nam. What a true patriot!
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America sends young men and women to war and many to their death, all in the name of country and flag. So, if someone speaks about something he does not like he is deemed to be a traitor? Open your minds and let the young man have is day. Go Colin, Go.
And as far as Trump, well.... people still listen to him and he should just shut up!
And as far as Trump, well.... people still listen to him and he should just shut up!
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Michael Jordan built a 1+ billion $ empire by never utter one word about any social issues. He didn't mind his sportswear is made in China, Vietnam, or Bangladesh by slave labor. The greatest Mohamed Ali refused to go to Vietnam and we all know the price he paid.
See the difference
Marlon Brando marched with MLK in the south
We need Matt Damon and George Clooney to march with BLM
See the difference
Marlon Brando marched with MLK in the south
We need Matt Damon and George Clooney to march with BLM
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It's courageous to be the lone naysayer in a crowd of consensus. However I strongly question Kaepernick's motives. Just a couple of years ago his most famous action was to kiss his own biceps after a successful play, hardly a selfless act. In fact the opposite of selfless. Police profiling and brutality was alive and well and reported then too. The only difference now is that Kaepernick is on the sidelines. At least he was until he took a knee.
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Finally, a person who pays attention to the facts and doesn't just follow the bandwagon. Thank you
Sorry, you misrepresent what he was doing.
He was criticized for having so many tatoos, a criticism that smacked of racism. He defended his choice to have tatoos and began to kiss the tattoo on his bicep in defiance of the critics. It looked odd out of context, but it was a response to racist criticism.
He was criticized for having so many tatoos, a criticism that smacked of racism. He defended his choice to have tatoos and began to kiss the tattoo on his bicep in defiance of the critics. It looked odd out of context, but it was a response to racist criticism.
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I'm sorry, just when did either our Anthem or our Flag come to stand solely for the military or veterans? I thought it belonged to all Americans.
It is the people who have forgotten our hard-won rights that disrespect those that to protect or preserve them. Any honest soldier will tell you that.
It is the people who have forgotten our hard-won rights that disrespect those that to protect or preserve them. Any honest soldier will tell you that.
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I wonder what sort of outrage would take place if a young, white unarmed teenager was accidentally gunned down by, say, Mexican police just South of the Border. Fox News would be screaming for a full blown invasion of Mexico, to avenge American blood.
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Kaepernick is now the most famous (or infamous) back-up QB in the history of the NFL.
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Except for George Blanda. ;)
Kaepernick certainly has a right to express his beliefs and that is what America is all about, but by expressing them the way he has, he is diverting attention from the very point he is trying to make.
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true... true
As a white man, I'm completely behind Kaepernick. More power to him. I only hope it sparks real change, discussion not of his and other protests, but discussions that look at how to address the ability of the police to kill with near impunity.
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This retired white Navy CDR is not offended by this demonstration. The flag I served is a symbol of unity, among the different colors, histories, cultures of our people. It stands for all of us being full partners and countrymen in our effort to become a more perfect union. It's pretty clear there are a large number of people who, with good reason, feel they are discounted and barred from full partnership. They have evidence on their side. This protest may not help that, but it also doesn't hurt to point it out. I just want to know what his endpoint is, or is he recommending all grievance statements be indelibly permanent?
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Judging by his quoted take on Kaepernick's protest, Trump appears to possess the mindset of an imbecile. Trump said “I think it’s a terrible thing. . . . And you know, maybe he should find a country that works better for him.” This sentiment is nothing more than a reworking of the simpleminded retort of self-anointed super patriots when confronted by Vietnam War protestors: "America: love it or leave it!"
What kind of president would a "love it or leave it" guy like the Donald make? One doesn't want to go there if possible. For a president with a "love it or leave it" attitude is one small step from a "my way or the highway" style of governing. Although I doubt all civilian patriots would fall into line behind the Donald's bloated behind, those in the military would do his bidding lest they risk arrest and imprisonment for disobedience or even treason. The last thing any democracy needs if it is to remain healthy and vibrant is intolerance and suppression of dissent.
I for one am grateful we Americans have a professional football player willing to exercise his right of free speech as Kaepernick has done even at probable great cost to him. But I am saddened that only one 49er teammate and no Rams had the courage to join him. Of course I expected as much from the soulless, peripatetic Rams, whose social and political awareness is of nothing other than money. But my '9ers? Their lack of greater courage and support for their brave QB is surprising and disappointing.
What kind of president would a "love it or leave it" guy like the Donald make? One doesn't want to go there if possible. For a president with a "love it or leave it" attitude is one small step from a "my way or the highway" style of governing. Although I doubt all civilian patriots would fall into line behind the Donald's bloated behind, those in the military would do his bidding lest they risk arrest and imprisonment for disobedience or even treason. The last thing any democracy needs if it is to remain healthy and vibrant is intolerance and suppression of dissent.
I for one am grateful we Americans have a professional football player willing to exercise his right of free speech as Kaepernick has done even at probable great cost to him. But I am saddened that only one 49er teammate and no Rams had the courage to join him. Of course I expected as much from the soulless, peripatetic Rams, whose social and political awareness is of nothing other than money. But my '9ers? Their lack of greater courage and support for their brave QB is surprising and disappointing.
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Two Rams did join him - they held up their fists during the anthem. Good for them!
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njglea suggested that we "keep things in perspective."
OK. Here's my perspective. This guy's making 19 million a year, payable in US dollars. Lives in a 4600 square foot house in San Jose, about as far as he can get from the people he's in "solidarity" with. He's putting nothing on the line. Nothing. Cops and soldiers aren't all heroes, but they do put a lot more at risk, every day, than he does.
OK. Here's my perspective. This guy's making 19 million a year, payable in US dollars. Lives in a 4600 square foot house in San Jose, about as far as he can get from the people he's in "solidarity" with. He's putting nothing on the line. Nothing. Cops and soldiers aren't all heroes, but they do put a lot more at risk, every day, than he does.
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He has intentionally insulted all police officers, who i wish could simply withdraw their services from his protection. He can hire private security.
He has put his career and post career endorsement income on the line. We are talking millions of dollars here.
He is putting more on the line than you are.
It amazes me that in the country, which was build on the Constitution and protection of speech, so much vile is spilled on those who chose to speak. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It is written so. It is not written, freedom of speech UNLESS it goes against [enter any value you like]. The fact a man chose to speak against many should be celebrated, not frowned upon. It seems America has forgotten about its core values. It is a shame.
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Why can we not just get along some how, some way? We need to acknowledge the pain felt by Blacks for being unfairly targeted by police. We also need to acknowledge that there is a problem in some cities with blacks targeting one another just as white people do. Can we just not find a way to come together instead of drawing lines in the sand? Yes, people have a right to protest. I understand that, but to me, it seems disrespectful to the military who have fought for this country. To quote the lyrics from a song: "nobody's right if everybody's wrong".
I hope that Hillary Clinton will be elected so that maybe this country can come together and that we then start listening to one another and really start trying to understand one another. If Trump is elected we will only be driven further apart.
I appreciate Mr. Kaepernick's contibution to the welfare of others. I hope that perhaps he can find another way of expressing his frustration and anger over a system that is unfair. I hope Black leaders and journalists will weigh in on this and perhaps give us all a different perspective.
I hope that Hillary Clinton will be elected so that maybe this country can come together and that we then start listening to one another and really start trying to understand one another. If Trump is elected we will only be driven further apart.
I appreciate Mr. Kaepernick's contibution to the welfare of others. I hope that perhaps he can find another way of expressing his frustration and anger over a system that is unfair. I hope Black leaders and journalists will weigh in on this and perhaps give us all a different perspective.
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Kap is covered with tattoos paying homage to his born again baptist faith- psalms, Angels, invocations to Jesus and football. Now, that he is apparently converting to Islam, what happens to his tattoos. Can new ones of Mohammed throwing a football be tattooed over them?
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I admire him greatly. It take real courage to protest and create change.
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The thought that Kaepernick actually did something within his rights to "create change" is laughable. All he did was rile up a bunch of misfits who are also duped into believing they are making a difference. The only change is that more people are taking advantage of their first amendment rights, nothing more. That said, could you please identify and quantify the "change" you believe has been created?
Unfortunately, Colin Kaepernick is not helping. If the intent of his protest is to bring attention with the hopes of changing the way people think, it is a failure. The demographics of the NFL audience is 77% white and 15% black. Instead of changing the minds of the 77% white audience, this type of protest has the opposite effect, and causes resentment. The only benefit to Kaepernick's protest is the majority of the white audience can see all the black football players who are standing, and this gives hope that there are very few people like Kaepernick who don't appreciate living in a free country. If anything, Kaepernick's protest puts a spotlight on the opportunity, not the oppression, that is available in America. This opportunity is not available to people of African heritage in any other country in the world.
Rather than disrespecting a symbol of freedom, why not find another way to bring attention to the cause you say you care about? Find a way that is not offensive and which alienates people who might otherwise agree with your cause. It would be far more impactful to celebrate your success by acknowledging that the 77% white audience makes it possible for you to be successful. Without that white audience, the TV ratings would not be enough to get the games on TV, and there would be no TV money. It is hypocritical to say you are oppressed when 77% of your audience is white.
Rather than disrespecting a symbol of freedom, why not find another way to bring attention to the cause you say you care about? Find a way that is not offensive and which alienates people who might otherwise agree with your cause. It would be far more impactful to celebrate your success by acknowledging that the 77% white audience makes it possible for you to be successful. Without that white audience, the TV ratings would not be enough to get the games on TV, and there would be no TV money. It is hypocritical to say you are oppressed when 77% of your audience is white.
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Fortunately, he is helping. It isn't a failure: millions of people unaware of how differently black people experience life in the US now have the opportunity to think "hmm, I wonder why this athlete would feel so strongly about something as to risk his public image in order to expose people to it?"
I'll grant that you're not reading things that way, and that you may not be curious about his perspective. Indeed it sounds like you're either unwilling or unable to fathom why Kaepernick and like-minded fellow-athletes might do this kind of thing - again, risking the very opprobrium people like yourself are hurling at him.
But I'd wager that for every Jam77, there's someone else who's willing to risk altering their worldview, to risk being curious, to risk granting that most of the time, people are sincere about what they say. Fidel Castro t-shirt aside, K. isn't an idiot: he's not expecting to change the minds of millions of people. Maybe he changes 100,000 people's minds - maybe 50,00, or maybe even 1,000. But that's still 1,000 more people aware of the issues he's raising than last month - 1,000 people newly willing to look at their fellow Americans through a different lens, and grant that not everything is as hunky-dory for minorities as it is for white people.
Far from "disrespecting a symbol of freedom", he honors it by doing precisely what the founding fathers did: announce to the world *now* that something has to change.
I'll grant that you're not reading things that way, and that you may not be curious about his perspective. Indeed it sounds like you're either unwilling or unable to fathom why Kaepernick and like-minded fellow-athletes might do this kind of thing - again, risking the very opprobrium people like yourself are hurling at him.
But I'd wager that for every Jam77, there's someone else who's willing to risk altering their worldview, to risk being curious, to risk granting that most of the time, people are sincere about what they say. Fidel Castro t-shirt aside, K. isn't an idiot: he's not expecting to change the minds of millions of people. Maybe he changes 100,000 people's minds - maybe 50,00, or maybe even 1,000. But that's still 1,000 more people aware of the issues he's raising than last month - 1,000 people newly willing to look at their fellow Americans through a different lens, and grant that not everything is as hunky-dory for minorities as it is for white people.
Far from "disrespecting a symbol of freedom", he honors it by doing precisely what the founding fathers did: announce to the world *now* that something has to change.
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"This opportunity is not available to people of African heritage in any other country in the world."
What? The European soccer leagues have many, many players of African heritage!
And, I fully support Colin K.
What? The European soccer leagues have many, many players of African heritage!
And, I fully support Colin K.
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That's right! He could, for example speak out at his weekly Bingo Club meeting, a relatively large gathering of people, through which, as a respected member, he could spread his well-researched and heartfelt views.
I think you forgot to mention his socks that show cops as pigs. The man is a sophisticated as Donald Trump.
http://thebiglead.com/2016/09/01/colin-kaepernick-issues-statement-on-we...
http://thebiglead.com/2016/09/01/colin-kaepernick-issues-statement-on-we...
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You say that Colin Kaepernick has found his voice. I submit that he has borrowed the voice of the BLM people, whose movement is based on blatant lies—"hands up don't shoot," the "epidemic" of police shootings of blacks.
According to the DOJ, interracial violence in this country is overwhelmingly black on white. Far more white people are killed by cops than black people. Black-on-black homicide in black neighborhoods is out of control. The homicide rate of blacks is about ten times that of whites.
Refusing to stand for the national anthem will accomplish nothing. Neither will pretending that the severe problems afflicting large segments of the black community are the fault of whites and have little or nothing to do with the behavior and attitude of blacks.
According to the DOJ, interracial violence in this country is overwhelmingly black on white. Far more white people are killed by cops than black people. Black-on-black homicide in black neighborhoods is out of control. The homicide rate of blacks is about ten times that of whites.
Refusing to stand for the national anthem will accomplish nothing. Neither will pretending that the severe problems afflicting large segments of the black community are the fault of whites and have little or nothing to do with the behavior and attitude of blacks.
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"Far more white people are killed by cops than black people."
There are a lot more white people in this country compared to black people.
There are a lot more white people in this country compared to black people.
Depends on if prejudice and racial economic inequality and forced disparity are considered violence against people. Our judicial system is designed to incarcerate African Americans at historical levels. illegal labor is welcomed to take the rest of the jobs. If they can't get fair treatment in education and in the job market making it difficult to survive than they will use other means to survive just as you or I would. But go ahead and wash your hands of any involvement.
Gang crime in poor inner cities is one thing. Laquan McDonald shootings by uniformed police officers in whom we invest authority is quite another.
Summarizing, if you're Trump, you're celebrated as a patriot for eschewing political correctness while trashing America, insulting Americans, and praising foreign dictators. If you're Kaepernick, your particular brand of political incorrectness is deemed traitorous and you're told to "find another country."
It seems "political correctness" is in the eye of the beholder.
It seems "political correctness" is in the eye of the beholder.
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Yes, but Kaepernick's call for greater justice for all is more consistent with our constitution and bill of rights...American values if you will.
I respect and applaud anyone standing up for what they believe needs to be changed in our country. But making a statement during a moment when all that's asked of each and every one of us is to show respect for our country, is a very small sacrifice.
If it wasn't for all those who died in our country's civil war, WW II, Vietnam, Korean, Afghanistan, and most importantly our founding ancestors, none of us today might even have the right to use our freedom of speech.
There's a time and place, and a moment of saluting our country is not the time to be protesting what you don't like about it.
If it wasn't for all those who died in our country's civil war, WW II, Vietnam, Korean, Afghanistan, and most importantly our founding ancestors, none of us today might even have the right to use our freedom of speech.
There's a time and place, and a moment of saluting our country is not the time to be protesting what you don't like about it.
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Again I ask...what does our national anthem have to do with the people who gave their lives for our country? How does not standing disrespect them?
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Dan, I sympathize with the "there's a time and a place" argument for the reasons you state, but for unpopular opinions there's *never* a time and a place. In other words, whichever venue you choose, whatever day of the week you pick, there's always going to be a vocal segment of the audience that says "I agree, but this isn't the time or the place". If someone with Kaepernick's opinions listened to everybody, he'd never say what he wants to say.
I'm not religious, but there's a quote I like: "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?”
Indeed: if not now, when? The anthem's as good a time as any.
There's another argument, too: protesting what you don't like about your country and suggesting that our nation could be better tomorrow than today IS a salute to our country. To our best selves.
I'm not religious, but there's a quote I like: "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?”
Indeed: if not now, when? The anthem's as good a time as any.
There's another argument, too: protesting what you don't like about your country and suggesting that our nation could be better tomorrow than today IS a salute to our country. To our best selves.
The way to respect your country is to vote, obey it's laws and pay your taxes. The rest is your prerogative. Don't tell other people what you want them to do. I pay my taxes and obey the laws so people like you can stay out of my face and not tell me what's appropriate and what to do and when to do it.
I can't imagine the courage it took Colin Kaepernick to express his feelings publicly. As a longtime football fan, it has always seemed to me that this team sport is highly regimented and run almost like a military unit with its emphasis on discipline and following orders. So, for him to step away from the norm and do something different in public took a great deal of gumption. Also, kneeling was probably the least offensive mode of expressing himself. After all, people kneel in churches. He didn't turn his back and did not seem disrespectful at all.
After all, why shouldn't a highly paid athlete who may have young kids looking up to him show them how to exercise their constitutional rights in a non-violent way?
Good luck to you, Mr. Kaepernick, and kudos to you for showing us that athletes have thinking minds as well.
After all, why shouldn't a highly paid athlete who may have young kids looking up to him show them how to exercise their constitutional rights in a non-violent way?
Good luck to you, Mr. Kaepernick, and kudos to you for showing us that athletes have thinking minds as well.
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Never before has this privileged white male patriot wanted to be on the field for an NFL game but I'd love to take a knee beside Mr. Kaepernick.
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Has the reaction to dissent, or criticism of our country's failure to live up to its ideals, ever been different? I remember the response to protests of the iniquity of the war in Vietnam: "America, love it or leave it." To quote Donald, "Very sad, very sad."
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"stop taking a knee during the national anthem as his way of protesting racial injustice and police brutality."
That's really silly. What other avenue does this guy have or is that football is so sacrosanct that it should not be disturbed. Considering the number of former ballplayers that have been maimed for life, Dilfer should point his accusatory finger at the game itself, and ask what are they doing to make the game safer. Funny how the 30 pieces of silver metaphor fits so many.
That's really silly. What other avenue does this guy have or is that football is so sacrosanct that it should not be disturbed. Considering the number of former ballplayers that have been maimed for life, Dilfer should point his accusatory finger at the game itself, and ask what are they doing to make the game safer. Funny how the 30 pieces of silver metaphor fits so many.
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You answered your own question...sadly football IS so sacrosanct. This is his best venue to be heard.....and I submit all these comments as evidence of his effectiveness.
Just wondering, when does this end? When our country is perfect? We've been working on that since the Framers set about trying to create a "more perfect union," and we're not there yet. We never will get there. I stand, during the national anthem, to honor the ideals that our anthem and our flag represent. If we fall short of that ideal, as we surely and forever will, then it's a goal to keep working toward, as a society. But as Americans, we should continue to honor the ideal, by standing for the national anthem.
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I wish some of our politicians took more of a bold stance on police brutality in this country. We hear rhetoric from them when these questionable police involved shootings happen, then they go quiet. I respect Kaepernick and other players because they know how much criticism is coming.
People say many other black players have not followed Kaepernick, but how many black players agree with him and are too afraid to protest? No one knows how many feel that way.
Even if Kaepernick found another way to protest, some Americans still wouldn't like him because they fundamentally disagree police brutality is a problem in this country.
People say many other black players have not followed Kaepernick, but how many black players agree with him and are too afraid to protest? No one knows how many feel that way.
Even if Kaepernick found another way to protest, some Americans still wouldn't like him because they fundamentally disagree police brutality is a problem in this country.
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According to the article, Trump said Kaepernick should find a country that works better for him. That is a remarkably Trumpish comment that clearly shows Trump's ignorance of the words of the Pledge of Allegiance, which ends with the words "liberty and justice for all." Not just for the guys for whom America works well, as it did for Trump and Kaepernick, but for "all." But of course, Trump likes "winners," not "all."
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I believe you have the right stand up for what you believe in. I feel like ancestors have fought for this time and again. I also feel like that until we see each other as human beings and stop identifying each other by race, gender, or social status, then all of the oppression, discrimination, and anything thing else thrown into mix will not stop. I also feel that kneeling during the anthem or pledge is a disrespect to those people that fought hard for this country to be able to say that pledge or sing that anthem. People like the Tuskegee Airmen, African American Army Nurse Corps, and the Buffalo Soldiers to name a few. This country was founded on people escaping other countries that to build a better life here. All Lives Matter. We are just human beings and we need to act like humanity matters to all of us, before we all destroy it.
I too, as a young man during the tumultuous Vietnam War years sat during the anthem. And we heard the Trump line then: if you don't like it here move to another country. That misses the point. I love my country precisely because I have the right to protest. And as the man in the article says you are protecting the same rights that soldiers are fighting for. Those of us who protest choose the forums that gain the most exposure. That's exactly what Kaepernick has done. Exercising his basic right to express his opinion without fear of imprisonment or punishment..
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I am a white Jewish American and I support Kaepernick and African American athletes right to protest.
White Americans are in no position to criticize any African American who is protesting over the denial of their civil rights.
When was the last time that white people were denied the right to rent an apartment or purchase a home because of the color of their skin? When was the last time that white people had their churches and homes torched, their leaders murdered, and their fellow citizens beaten and lynched? When was the last time that white Americans had their country perform medical experiments on them, as the federal government did to blacks with the Tuskegee Experiment?
When was the last time white Americans had their attempts to vote suppressed and denied? Voter ID laws States around the country are trying to pass are being done so with the sole purpose of limiting the turnout of black voters.
Whites do not understand what it's like to be denied their civil rights and liberties. They're the ones denying people their rights. Jews were denied the right to enter colleges and universities and live wherever they wanted to because of their religion, and this was done by white Christians.
When I was growing up in Philadelphia my parents took my sisters and me to Atlantic City during the summer. We pulled up at a hotel that had a sign on the front door "Restricted. No Jews allowed."
I stand with my African American brothers and sisters in the fight for civil rights.
White Americans are in no position to criticize any African American who is protesting over the denial of their civil rights.
When was the last time that white people were denied the right to rent an apartment or purchase a home because of the color of their skin? When was the last time that white people had their churches and homes torched, their leaders murdered, and their fellow citizens beaten and lynched? When was the last time that white Americans had their country perform medical experiments on them, as the federal government did to blacks with the Tuskegee Experiment?
When was the last time white Americans had their attempts to vote suppressed and denied? Voter ID laws States around the country are trying to pass are being done so with the sole purpose of limiting the turnout of black voters.
Whites do not understand what it's like to be denied their civil rights and liberties. They're the ones denying people their rights. Jews were denied the right to enter colleges and universities and live wherever they wanted to because of their religion, and this was done by white Christians.
When I was growing up in Philadelphia my parents took my sisters and me to Atlantic City during the summer. We pulled up at a hotel that had a sign on the front door "Restricted. No Jews allowed."
I stand with my African American brothers and sisters in the fight for civil rights.
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Good for him. As a Met fan (even though he was a Blue Jay when he did it), I always respected Carlos Delgado for staying in the dugout during "God Bless America" in protest of the invasion of Iraq. The people who are up in arms about this sort of thing want nothing but for everyone else in the world to be unequivocally blind. As the saying goes, you can't always get what you want.
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I'm no fan of football, which is a brutal game that causes terrible life-ending injuries. However, I am a fan of Mr K who is simply trying to show -- in a patriotic way --that violence against African Americans in the name of preventing crime etc is often wrong. The trauma and impact of slavery is still part of the nation's character.
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Colin Kaepernick is a soon-to-be has-been quarterback egomaniacally seeking a last 15 minutes of fame. No respect for the fans who are paying good money to bankroll his millions in pay and make the time and effort to go to a football game that is supposed to be an entertainment of athletic prowess. Then the mainstream media, even the New York Times, swallows this cynical publicity act whole like a bunch of country bumpkins chewing on straw. The good that comes of this is the exposure of the cowardly team owners who are afraid to enforce the U.S. Flag code as part of their player contracts. Hopefully Kaepernick and his cohorts will trigger fan boycotts that will make the team owners lose their shirts. Watch baseball instead.
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Mr. Trump should no better than to suggest that Kaepernick should go to another country if he doesn't like it here. As a businessman he should know that when things are not right in a situation they are called out and fixed. Even the government allows for people to call out for when fraud is committed and it is called out. Those bringing attention are called whistleblowers and are rewarded handsomely for it. All Kaepernick is doing is protesting police brutality and bias against blacks which appears to be well spread across the nation's police forces. His peaceful protest has been noticed. The flag and the anthem are symbols of freedom and liberty of this wonderful country. If his actions can help more power to him.
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So many whites expect that blacks in sports and entertainment are there to entertain them, nothing more. It's almost like slavery. While these entertainers are highly paid, the white audiences have little interest in seeing them as humans and have no interest in understanding their connection to the wider black community. It's sad that thois country can't make more meaningful progress on racism. But then again, one of our two major parties has nominated an open racist as its nominee so what else should we expect.
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Thank you! I was looking for this comment. You are spot on. Entertain me but don't challenge my way of thinking. Smh.
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I appreciate and am inspired by Mr. Kaepernick's protest, as I am by all the brave and well-meaning police officers (and soldiers) who choose to serve and who daily put their life on the line for all of us.
Men and women, mostly black, ARE being targeted, and some are dying, at the hands of a very small but significant number of police officers. It's also true that most police officers do their job very well, with pride, and know that they are on the streets to serve and protect us all.
I see no conflict, therefore, in supporting all the people involved in this debate, from the friends, families and supporters of the innocent victims of police violence, to the friends, families and colleagues of the officers killed in the line of service, especially those murdered in retaliation for acts committed by a small minority of their fellow officers, to the friends, families and colleagues of those officers who have targeted innocent men and women.
And yes, we also need to find ways to support the officers who, full of fear, anger and racism, have mistreated or killed people based on their race or ethnicity. They too have a stake in finding non-violent solutions for the problems highlighted by this debate.
You can agree with Mr. Kaepernick or not, but please, especially given our nation's history, don't suggest that he should stand quietly and follow the crowd in the wake of the disturbing events involving police violence the last few years. Now THAT would be un-American.
Men and women, mostly black, ARE being targeted, and some are dying, at the hands of a very small but significant number of police officers. It's also true that most police officers do their job very well, with pride, and know that they are on the streets to serve and protect us all.
I see no conflict, therefore, in supporting all the people involved in this debate, from the friends, families and supporters of the innocent victims of police violence, to the friends, families and colleagues of the officers killed in the line of service, especially those murdered in retaliation for acts committed by a small minority of their fellow officers, to the friends, families and colleagues of those officers who have targeted innocent men and women.
And yes, we also need to find ways to support the officers who, full of fear, anger and racism, have mistreated or killed people based on their race or ethnicity. They too have a stake in finding non-violent solutions for the problems highlighted by this debate.
You can agree with Mr. Kaepernick or not, but please, especially given our nation's history, don't suggest that he should stand quietly and follow the crowd in the wake of the disturbing events involving police violence the last few years. Now THAT would be un-American.
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Celebrating the ideal while ignoring the reality is a hollow patriotism. The NFL owners who pay little or no taxes and are paid tens of millions of our tax money to wrap their product in the flag are phony patriots. We do have racism, we do have police violence, we are not perfect. Let's address these problems rather than shoot the messenger. We are all responsible for making our country a better place. I understand and appreciate Kaepernick's protest, and admire his courage and commitment. Shouting him down doesn't make anything better.
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Free ride through college, signs a 6 year, $114,000,000 contract with the 49ers, including a $12mm signing bonus, gets $61mm guaranteed, along with an average annual salary of $19mm. The struggle is real ... especially in that $3mm house in San Jose. At least he's really good at protesting.
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So only the people being abused should protest?
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So because he has had financial success, he is now allowed to speak up on behalf of others? I think he is using his privileged role responsibly and honorably. He is using the freedom we work hard to protect.
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His contract reflects market demands -- not his doing.
As for his struggle, you might want to think of all he went through to merit his salary and how he is trying to do right by those being denied their rights and just opportunities.
As for his struggle, you might want to think of all he went through to merit his salary and how he is trying to do right by those being denied their rights and just opportunities.
Kaepernick is correct in exercising his right to free speech, and he is right to suffer the consequences as well. People can say what they want, but they must understand not everyone will agree with what they say or how they say it.
For instance, it is my belief that his protest is little more than a shallow gesture, something to keep him relevant in the public eye as his career wanes. Not everyone will agree with me. So be it.
For instance, it is my belief that his protest is little more than a shallow gesture, something to keep him relevant in the public eye as his career wanes. Not everyone will agree with me. So be it.
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You're right on one point...not everyone will agree with you.
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My problem with him is he is lazy and disrespectful. There are at least 10,000 ways to stand up for what you think is wrong in this country (stage a march, start a non profit...do something that requires effort). Disrespecting the millions of people who gave their lives so you can make millions playing a kids game is probably not the best choice. At least ironic. What a short sighted idiot. I want him to actually spend calories doing something, not just sitting down and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You can stand for the flag, then work on the problems with the country in your spare time...like everyone else. This is completely about him.
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Stevie--Kaepernick has never shown any disrespect for veterans. He is showing disdain for the flag that is supposed to represent equality and opportunity for all. This has nothing to do with vets. You should try reading the story again. Maybe you will understand it, this time. Speaking of "short sighted."
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So how exactly does this protest disrespect the "millions of people who gave their lives...?" Also, just over a million Americans lost their lives in all our wars...not "millions." Just fyi.
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Okay, let's look at this by asking a couple of questions:
Do Kaepernick, and those who support him, have a point? Definitely. Do these people have the right to take a stand and make a statement in support of this point? Definitely. Is this the best, or most appropriate, way to make that statement? Maybe not. Is it going to do any good? Probably not. And was his/their timing in doing this--not only what with this past Sunday being the 15th anniversary of 9/11 but with this being a presidential election year, one of the most divisive since at least 1968--good? Definitely not. But don't forget: if it hadn't been for "those liberals", as one other commentator has put it, we'd still be subjects of the British Empire.
Do Kaepernick, and those who support him, have a point? Definitely. Do these people have the right to take a stand and make a statement in support of this point? Definitely. Is this the best, or most appropriate, way to make that statement? Maybe not. Is it going to do any good? Probably not. And was his/their timing in doing this--not only what with this past Sunday being the 15th anniversary of 9/11 but with this being a presidential election year, one of the most divisive since at least 1968--good? Definitely not. But don't forget: if it hadn't been for "those liberals", as one other commentator has put it, we'd still be subjects of the British Empire.
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We are not going to change people's prejudices; at least not expeditiously. We can however change behavior and behavior changes when people know they are being watched. The goal should be for there to be less unjustified shootings in general and certainly at the hands of law enforecement. How we get there should not matter. These athletes, whatever their motives may be, are getting people to pay attention and shine a light on a terrible pattern. People will change their behavior as a result. Perhaps the decent vets, soldiers, police and firemen could see that and understand that they are not the targets here. Their past and current bravery is not at all diminished.
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If there was an NFL in 1776, I highly doubt George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton would have leapt up to sing God Save the Queen. People seem to forget that this country was founded by people who called out the existing power structure for perceived injustices. This notion that soldiers are out in the world in dangerous places protecting our freedom and therefore no degree of dissent is allowed is ludicrous. You can be supportive of our troops and not stand during the national anthem. You can speak out against police brutality and still be supportive of police. You can love your country and criticize it at the same time. These ideas are not mutually exclusive. These people who argue that Kapernick should simply shut his mouth, stand up and sing the anthem are missing the point entirely. Everyone has a right to speak their mind - good or bad - in this country, anytime, anywhere in any forum. Are there potential consequences for doing that? Of course, but that's part of the deal. These players seem to understand the risk they are taking. I have no issue with what Kapernick and other NFL players are doing. By speaking up, they are drawing more attention to racial injustice in this country and lengthening the dialogue which, in the end, can only be a good thing.
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Most people don't have to exhibit their patriotism until they attend a sporting event where the National Anthem is played and our flag is honored. I always put my hand on my heart--sometimes noticing that there are people who talk, eat and ignore this moment--that behavior irks me...but I've always kept my emotions to myself. When Kaepernick first took a knee, I was angered--the wrong move at the wrong time. But as the matter has evolved with thoughtful discussion, as is the luxury in our democracy, I have softened slightly. I still think his display is misplaced. I'd like him to know I'm going to keep my hand on my heart because I'm a veteran who lost friends in Vietnam--that war was a mistake just like police brutality. We have the freedom to fix problems here, we only lack the courage to act.
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Very thoughtfully and respectfully put, Richard.
And thank you for your service.
And thank you for your service.
Colin's experience with "oppression" appears to be limited to an experience in college when he and his roommates were hassled by the cops who thought they were robbing an apartment they were moving into. Never mind that the cops had probably seen many such robberies but Kap was an athlete and therefore special and above questioning.
it would appear that Kap has faced zero oppression in his life, he's never had a gun pulled on him and if he had it odds are it would have been by a real black person. He's privileged, ungrateful and selfish.
His activist girlfriend (who is also very "oppressed" by having her own show on MTV) has apparently influenced him to "stand up for something" by dishonoring the flag and the National Anthem. And converting to Islam, which not surprisingly doesn't get any press.
Kap has no concept of the damage he's doing, and the mistake is with the gutless 49ers and NFL for allowing this to fester. Fools, all of them.
Kap is not a Patriot, he's a "me and mine first" guy. He makes me sick.
it would appear that Kap has faced zero oppression in his life, he's never had a gun pulled on him and if he had it odds are it would have been by a real black person. He's privileged, ungrateful and selfish.
His activist girlfriend (who is also very "oppressed" by having her own show on MTV) has apparently influenced him to "stand up for something" by dishonoring the flag and the National Anthem. And converting to Islam, which not surprisingly doesn't get any press.
Kap has no concept of the damage he's doing, and the mistake is with the gutless 49ers and NFL for allowing this to fester. Fools, all of them.
Kap is not a Patriot, he's a "me and mine first" guy. He makes me sick.
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So why can't he use his platform to help others? Does he HAVE to be the recipient of awful behavior, or can he have some empathy?
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Don't forget that only several years ago it was a given in the US press and in the minds of many, many white fans that blacks were not intellectually capable of being a quarterback. Now look at the QB situation at all levels of football. The mainstream notions not too long ago were horrific. While I imagine most football fans are pretty accepting of this change, who knows what other racial myths have replaced the denial of QB capabilities? Not just in sports. This is the kind of thinking that Trump encourages.
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This is a wonderful comment! Thank you.
While Mr. Kaepernick has every right to sit, stand, kneel, do jumping jacks, or knit during the national anthem I find his "reasons" very suspect. It is peculiar that he sat during the anthem for three pre-season games and waited until after the third game and press inquiries to express his reasons. If he truly wanted to shed light on injustice why did he wait three games to explain his actions? Would he have continued to remain silent all season if no one had ever noticed or asked questions? People have a right to protest however they want however I am having trouble grasping Mr. Kaepernick's methodology given the message he is supposedly trying to send. If his action does spur change (doubtful) then I will be pleased, however I cannot help but think that this really began as pouting over the fact that he would not be the starting QB this year.
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First, how many people watching the game on TV stand during the anthem? Very few, I'd imagine (and no doubt they yak through it and dissect the singer, too, not showing any respect).
Second, it's a player's right under the First Amendment to do as Kaepernick and others have - good for them! During the Vietnam War, I refused to stand for the anthem at college games. I still think it was appalling that Olympic medals were taken away when US athletes protested the terrible inner city conditions with raised fists and quiet dignity.
Third, what has the bellicose anthem got to do with sporting events? Why play it at all? Few can actually sing it, and for the NFL, it just makes a long broadcast even longer. Thank heavens for DVRs and the ability to fast forward through nonsense, blather, and commercials. But I support Kaepernick, Brandon Marshall in Denver, and all the others who choose to make a statement using their celebrity to bring attention to a serious problem this country refuses to face.
Second, it's a player's right under the First Amendment to do as Kaepernick and others have - good for them! During the Vietnam War, I refused to stand for the anthem at college games. I still think it was appalling that Olympic medals were taken away when US athletes protested the terrible inner city conditions with raised fists and quiet dignity.
Third, what has the bellicose anthem got to do with sporting events? Why play it at all? Few can actually sing it, and for the NFL, it just makes a long broadcast even longer. Thank heavens for DVRs and the ability to fast forward through nonsense, blather, and commercials. But I support Kaepernick, Brandon Marshall in Denver, and all the others who choose to make a statement using their celebrity to bring attention to a serious problem this country refuses to face.
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The National Football League wraps itself in the American flag while it statistically hides the fact that its players’ life expectancy is shortened well below the national average for their own enrichment and the entertainment of their fans. Yet, it’s these same fans (77% of whom who are white per 2015 stats) who take exception with a player who uses the stage he has, for the short time he’ll have it, to promote recognition of injustice. I only wish there were more white players jumping on Mr. Kaepernick’s bandwagon, I would have a lot more respect for the lot.
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I support his right to protest. But, the bottom line is there will always be injustice. I would like to know what criteria he thinks must be met before he gets off his knees.
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I'm a white guy, and my admiration for Mr. Kaepernick went up tremendously when he took his action, or non action, if you will.
I've been very concerned about the killings of unarmed black people at the hands of police for a few years now. It represented such a downward step for our country. As those events continued without being properly addressed, it became statistically inevitable that someone would sooner or later shoot back, and of course Dallas and Baton Rouge happened. That was step 2 in the downward spiral. What would be the next step? Would we go further in the down, or move towards healing? The downward step would look like this:
The killing of police would become the issue, and the killings of innocent people of color by police would be ignored.
There are entrenched forces to make this downward step happen. But what are or could be the forces to heal? Our prospects have not been looking good overall. Then came a spark named Colin, and look what has happened since. Thanks, CK, for keeping the conversation alive. That is step one in a positive direction. If we listen to each other, especially across the racial divide, that will be step 2.
I've been very concerned about the killings of unarmed black people at the hands of police for a few years now. It represented such a downward step for our country. As those events continued without being properly addressed, it became statistically inevitable that someone would sooner or later shoot back, and of course Dallas and Baton Rouge happened. That was step 2 in the downward spiral. What would be the next step? Would we go further in the down, or move towards healing? The downward step would look like this:
The killing of police would become the issue, and the killings of innocent people of color by police would be ignored.
There are entrenched forces to make this downward step happen. But what are or could be the forces to heal? Our prospects have not been looking good overall. Then came a spark named Colin, and look what has happened since. Thanks, CK, for keeping the conversation alive. That is step one in a positive direction. If we listen to each other, especially across the racial divide, that will be step 2.
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Dan -- glad you are concerned. But your concern is misplaced. There is absolutely no evidence that Blacks are being disproportionately targeted by cops, given their higher rate of violent crime. The biggest oppressive issue Blacks face is Black on Black crime. Period.
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"There is absolutely no evidence that Blacks are being disproportionately targeted by cops, given their higher rate of violent crime."
To bad tons of statistics don't support your claim Ralphie.
To bad tons of statistics don't support your claim Ralphie.
I support Kaepernick, and all the other athletes who are making this statement. I'm delighted that it's getting all this attention. The old fashioned indoctrination of the population doesn't seem to be working, eh? That's good. Independent thinking for everyone. Go Kaepernick!
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Right on!
Time to call out the spirit of sport born in the 1936 Olympic in Berlin Nazi Germany. An ugly evil inhumane ignorant immature legacy confluence of nationalism, commerce, bigotry and propaganda.
Neither the American national anthem nor the national flag are a necessary relevant part of the business of sports entertainment.
The oath of office that the President of the United States takes is "to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Our American way of life and values are the essence of the nation. Neither the flag nor the national anthem rise to that level at any private sports entertainment venue event.
Time to call out the spirit of sport born in the 1936 Olympic in Berlin Nazi Germany. An ugly evil inhumane ignorant immature legacy confluence of nationalism, commerce, bigotry and propaganda.
Neither the American national anthem nor the national flag are a necessary relevant part of the business of sports entertainment.
The oath of office that the President of the United States takes is "to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Our American way of life and values are the essence of the nation. Neither the flag nor the national anthem rise to that level at any private sports entertainment venue event.
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I, and many others, sat during the anthem at Oakland A's and GS Warriors games in the early 1970s in disgust at what the nation was doing in Southeast Asia. So Kap is following in a long and well established tradition. In those day sit was a very unpopular thing to do.
But it seems to me that the current problem is one with local police departments, not the national government. How is taking a knee going to tell the Baltimore cops that they are at fault while also telling the Berkeley cops (or anywhere else where this is not a problem) that they are not at fault. It seems like using a scatter shotgun on a problem which requires more of a laser approach.
He clearly should do whatever he feels is appropriate and we should remember that our armed forces are defending his right to do exactly that.
But it seems to me that the current problem is one with local police departments, not the national government. How is taking a knee going to tell the Baltimore cops that they are at fault while also telling the Berkeley cops (or anywhere else where this is not a problem) that they are not at fault. It seems like using a scatter shotgun on a problem which requires more of a laser approach.
He clearly should do whatever he feels is appropriate and we should remember that our armed forces are defending his right to do exactly that.
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Mr. Powell, you report:"Several white fans asked if I realized Kaepernick, who is biracial, was raised by white parents who adopted him. When I asked why that was significant, our conversations trailed away. Their assumption seemed to be that if he was raised by whites, he must know that we mean well." How you come to that conclusion is a bit self-serving. Mr. Kaepernick, the biological child of a black father and a white mother, and raised by a white couple, gave an interview to US Weekly last year and said: "I never felt that I was supposed to be white. Or black, either. My parents just wanted to let me be who I needed to be." Sounds like good parenting. P.S. Do you stage quiet political protests at work, Mr. Powell?
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"Several white fans asked if I realized Kaepernick, who is biracial, was raised by white parents who adopted him."
I've seen internet memes using this fact as a way of criticizing Kaepernick.
It seems to me that it's actually an unintended way of admitting that white privilege exists, or that someone raised by white parents shouldn't feel that way, regardless of their race. It's a non sequitor. And kind of insulting to him, and to his parents.
I've seen internet memes using this fact as a way of criticizing Kaepernick.
It seems to me that it's actually an unintended way of admitting that white privilege exists, or that someone raised by white parents shouldn't feel that way, regardless of their race. It's a non sequitor. And kind of insulting to him, and to his parents.
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The most important part of this story is from a fan: “People say he’s disrespecting the soldiers,” Dominic Sims said. “But by speaking up he’s doing what those soldiers fought and died to protect.” Our Constitutional right to free speech in unique in the world. many countries make it a crime to criticize the government. Some governments resort to assassination to stop dissent. It is pretty clear that Trump's good friend Putin does it. For gods sake its only football.
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Well said, Jeff. I copied this to my Facebook page, giving you credit of course. Thanks. I have people who are posting really ugly things about Kaepernick in moralistic terms, referencing the millions the players make and asserting that CK and other NFL protesters are abusing soldiers who defend the country by taking those moments on the field to stand up for justice for all. You explained the truth of this so well.
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Kaepernick's protest is actually very muted and respectful. In the beginning it was a bit less refined and to his credit he communicated what he was protesting more clearly and what he is concerned about changing. He refined is approach and communication.
Kaepernick's approach has been effective and is resonating. He has shown a great deal a maturity (for a player who has typically lacked maturity) in dealing with the criticism as well as his supporters.
What is interesting his how different the reactions are to his sitting during the national anthem. Kaepernick is calling attention to inequities in our society. He is not denigrating the Military. He is not blocking others from standing and participating in the singing of the national anthem.
This is democracy.
Kaepernick's approach has been effective and is resonating. He has shown a great deal a maturity (for a player who has typically lacked maturity) in dealing with the criticism as well as his supporters.
What is interesting his how different the reactions are to his sitting during the national anthem. Kaepernick is calling attention to inequities in our society. He is not denigrating the Military. He is not blocking others from standing and participating in the singing of the national anthem.
This is democracy.
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It's great to see athletes like Kap standing up—or kneeling down—for what they believe and let the world know that these highly paid men are considerably more than runners, catchers, throwers, and tacklers. Working for a company that fines their employees for not keeping their socks up, that prizes "parity" (which one can read as "uniformity") above all, Kaepernick stands out and apparently his fellow employees around the NFL are joining with him in pointing out that there are such things as bad cops.
Whatever one thinks of police in general, there are a lot of dead people who would otherwise be alive were it not for the rotten apples in the police barrel. It seems that more and more pro athletes are finally recognizing that they cannot stand idly by.
Good on them.
Whatever one thinks of police in general, there are a lot of dead people who would otherwise be alive were it not for the rotten apples in the police barrel. It seems that more and more pro athletes are finally recognizing that they cannot stand idly by.
Good on them.
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Everyone has the right to take a stand that forces their problems into the spotlight, and interrupts and disparages things that unify the country in a fun and non-partisan, culturally transcendent way.
If he doesn't respect the symbols and rituals of the national pastimes, he has a right to share his disrespect with everyone.
There are things to like about what Kaepernick has been doing, and plenty to dislike about it. That's how people can take issues and use them to divide us.
If he doesn't respect the symbols and rituals of the national pastimes, he has a right to share his disrespect with everyone.
There are things to like about what Kaepernick has been doing, and plenty to dislike about it. That's how people can take issues and use them to divide us.
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There is so much more to do than "taking the knee." With the influence and salary pro ball players have to work with I wish Kaepernick would set up and fund a foundation to support community relations between police and residents in the areas that need it most. I'm sure he would get many contributors of all racial backgrounds, sports fans or not. It could be a very huge thing that really promotes the change that's needed.
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Did every one of his detractors miss the fact that he's pledged 1 million dollars of his own money to various groups working against the injustice his whole protest was about (police brutality)? He's already said and could already be doing what you wish he would do.
The military and police officers should be kneeling right along Kaepernick, not accusing him of disrespect. The police officers who died keeping the peace, the soldiers who died defending our rights would kneel with Kap, stand arm-in-arm with teammates, raise a fist in protest, standout any way possible to combat and root out injustice. That's why people become police officers. That's what soldiers go to war for...to stop injustice, to stop corruption. The irony. Unpatriotic, disrespectful? Are kidding me? Quite the contrary. It's unpatriotic to spin some faux salute while drinking a beer and letting the status quo continue and then mob-mentality judging someone for taking a stand. That lazy "patriotism" disrespects police officers and soldiers who have fallen for justice.
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Personally, I think it's inappropriate to be playing the anthem before any sporting event.
Perhaps it's simply the NFL's way of thanking the politicians who have allowed the NFL to operate as a non-profit and pay no federal taxes?
Just a theory.
Perhaps it's simply the NFL's way of thanking the politicians who have allowed the NFL to operate as a non-profit and pay no federal taxes?
Just a theory.
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Most pro & college sports play the national anthem before games. It's my understanding that baseball has been doing this since the late 1800s (occasionally) and before every game for many decades.
Colin Kap had promised to show up in a Baptist Church a couple weeks ago in the African-American community of Bayview here in San Francisco. Guess what? He never showed up. Everyone important in the community was there and they were all disappointed that he didn't show up. Go figure.
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Kaepernick has every right to express his beliefs, and others have every right to criticize him. So far, his performance as an articulate spokesman and analyst with a comprehensive knowledge of the issues is about equal to what my performance would be as quarterback of the 49ers. (I'm 68 years old).
If this over-inked and over-entitled mental midget had something intelligent to say then his protest would contain some accurate detail instead of being a childish and unpatriotic gesture. Maybe he could return to school (he's probably ready for the 5th grade or so) and learn something about logic and history.
If this over-inked and over-entitled mental midget had something intelligent to say then his protest would contain some accurate detail instead of being a childish and unpatriotic gesture. Maybe he could return to school (he's probably ready for the 5th grade or so) and learn something about logic and history.
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I wonder if this commentator is aware of how much his words reveal about himself.
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Crusader Rabbit, you are entitled to criticize, but can you do it without engaging in put downs? What is left of your comment if you take out the put downs?
We need more than experts to discuss racial violence.
We need more than experts to discuss racial violence.
His protest isn't remotely unpatriotic. In fact, given what the American flag is supposed to symbolize, I would call it entirely patriotic. Then there's this business of the First Amendment, the basic principle of which Americans have fought & died for. As to calling him a mental midget, well, he seems fairly articulate and he does have a university degree, so he's clearly past fifth grade. I think it's your logic & history that's off the beam.
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If you look across the stands of an NFL game during the national anthem, you'll see a good number of people zoned-out -- standing -- but paying zero attention. It seems much more patriotic to take a knee in support of a good cause than to stand in support of nothing.
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If Kaepernick didn't appreciate and respect what our country stands for, he wouldn't be protesting. Our flag stands for liberty and justice for all, and he simply wants us to practice what we preach. His protest is civil and nonviolent, and makes use of a very visible platform. Kaepernick is making the most of his fame and visibility, and losing a great deal in the process (sponsors). I think he is being extremely courageous, as are Brandon Marshall and the others joining in.
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To me patriotism is mostly synonymous with courage.
It took courage for thousands of young men - some barely out of high school - to storm the beaches of Normandy in 1944.
It also took courage for thousands of unarmed civil rights protestors to face fire hoses and attack dogs, or worse, in the 50s and 60s.
Kaepernick is courageous (perhaps because he has so much to lose?) for listening to his conscience and making a statement. His detractors aren't. They're not defending the flag - OUR shared flag, they're hiding behind it.
It took courage for thousands of young men - some barely out of high school - to storm the beaches of Normandy in 1944.
It also took courage for thousands of unarmed civil rights protestors to face fire hoses and attack dogs, or worse, in the 50s and 60s.
Kaepernick is courageous (perhaps because he has so much to lose?) for listening to his conscience and making a statement. His detractors aren't. They're not defending the flag - OUR shared flag, they're hiding behind it.
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I am a 70 yr old middle class white guy and I totally support Kaepernick. I do not hate the military and I do not hate the police far from it. However, I cannot ignore young black men being shot for traffic tickets and misdemeanors. It seems to me that in the one place where blacks are truly equal and full citizens, the sports world, that Kap can speak freely about social injustice. Many others just take the money and keep to themselves. He has put an issue on the national table that must be dealt with. It is unsafe for many blacks and other minorities to do so. that makes him more of a hero than a villain.
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Good for Mr. Kaepernick and the other fortunate people who are willing to put their reputations and jobs on the line to stand up for what is right. It's about time.
Let's keep things in perspective. They are professional athlete in the BIGGEST money-making sport on the face of the earth - the NFL. How did this conversation, like so many others in America, become a military issue? The military people are just doing their job, too, and some military people are openly nazi sympathizers. Stop trying to whitewash and make heroes of ALL military people and ALL cops and firefighters. They are just human beings.
It is time for America to put racism to death. I'm glad that people in positions of influence are speaking up for what is right.
Let's keep things in perspective. They are professional athlete in the BIGGEST money-making sport on the face of the earth - the NFL. How did this conversation, like so many others in America, become a military issue? The military people are just doing their job, too, and some military people are openly nazi sympathizers. Stop trying to whitewash and make heroes of ALL military people and ALL cops and firefighters. They are just human beings.
It is time for America to put racism to death. I'm glad that people in positions of influence are speaking up for what is right.
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It was my understanding that Kaepernick's original issue was police violence against blacks. Somehow, members of the military took offense to it during a game and it turned into something other than it's original intent.
This is how I interpret his actions;
Sitting to protest the police, kneeling to respect the military.
He has actually said this, but no one seems to be listening anymore.
I don't really agree with what he has done, because symbolic gestures don't really change things, but I do defend his right to express his concerns.
This is how I interpret his actions;
Sitting to protest the police, kneeling to respect the military.
He has actually said this, but no one seems to be listening anymore.
I don't really agree with what he has done, because symbolic gestures don't really change things, but I do defend his right to express his concerns.
No, I'm sorry but it's not good for Kaepernick. It's actually disgraceful and a slap in the face to all those who've made it possible for anyone of us to have freedom of speech in the U.S.A.. When we're taking a moment to show unity in this country, this isn't a time to bring attention to ourselves.
you nailed it-he has a voice because he is (a backup quarterback) in the BIGGEST MONEYMAKING SPORT. For no other reason than that. I certainly respect and consider his opinion, but why does it get so much more attention than say, my garbage collector's opinion? Because he makes a zillion dollars a year as (a backup quarterback-I mean really, is he that good?). Sad that in America today, the volume of ones' voice is determined by the amount one makes. And if you are an entertainer, your voice is even louder. Sad.
Why bother to go there? You could have written this piece while watching TV.
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I have great respect for Kap, as a player and a social activist. I'm glad he has chosen this moment to demonstrate where he stands on the issue of police brutality. Speaking truth to power is never as easy as it looks. I have often wondered, " Why play the national Anthem at every single sporting event"? Why not play and sing Woody Guthrie's, " This Land is Your Land"? A much more upbeat song, with out the bombs, and rockets. My last question is, "Who's free"? in this land of wage slaves, and underemployed? Lets start a dialogue about that!
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I too have respect for someone expressing their political opinions. Unfortunately, in echoing the false narrative of Black Lives Matter, Kaepernick is not speaking the "truth." Perhaps the greatest disservice of this illogic (i.e., that the police are killing black men out of proportion to criminal population statistics) is that it drains energy from any sensible ideas that might actually reduce violence against young black men, such as strict handgun control, improved education and intelligent policing. The significant problem for America's black communities is not the police; in terms of unjustified killing of young black men the problem is other young black men. That is where Kaepernick's "truth to power" protest should be directed.
We should be start every game with the national anthem, because it's on of the few moments that we have the opportunity for as a country to show what is good about our country... not what's bad about it.
Well, for that matter, why should anyone care about the MLK holiday, Dennis? Why should anyone have to "respect" that which they do not want to? Not pro nor con -- just doing nothing. Hey, let's start a dialog about that!
Dennis, what goes around, comes around. Think about that.
Dennis, what goes around, comes around. Think about that.
Mr Kaepernick is exercising his right to free speech and is taking a stand. Good for him. Nothing more American tan dissent,
It is his alleged reasons why he is protesting that rankles.
He has stated that: "There are bodies in the street [because of the police] . .and the police get paid leave to put them there."
Mr. K is correct, there are hundreds of bodies in the street, in Memphis, Oakland, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, DC, Detroit, New York, and cities all over this nation -- but the police did not put them there.
The fact is those victims, the majority African Americans, were put on the street by other African Americans.
This is not an opinion. This is not what I've "heard." This is not what I "believe" or "feel" or "perceive". This is a fact. A grotesque, obscene, appalling fact.
Another fact: every day, in Memphis, Oakland, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, DC, Detroit, New York and cities all over this nation, police officers are saving the lives of African Americans. Every day.
So, Mr Kaepernick has his cause and is standing (kneeling) up for it. Good for him. He want to "illuminate the problem" and, "start a conversation." Again good for him. Let's have that conversation.
It is his alleged reasons why he is protesting that rankles.
He has stated that: "There are bodies in the street [because of the police] . .and the police get paid leave to put them there."
Mr. K is correct, there are hundreds of bodies in the street, in Memphis, Oakland, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, DC, Detroit, New York, and cities all over this nation -- but the police did not put them there.
The fact is those victims, the majority African Americans, were put on the street by other African Americans.
This is not an opinion. This is not what I've "heard." This is not what I "believe" or "feel" or "perceive". This is a fact. A grotesque, obscene, appalling fact.
Another fact: every day, in Memphis, Oakland, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, DC, Detroit, New York and cities all over this nation, police officers are saving the lives of African Americans. Every day.
So, Mr Kaepernick has his cause and is standing (kneeling) up for it. Good for him. He want to "illuminate the problem" and, "start a conversation." Again good for him. Let's have that conversation.
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Police officers are supposed to save the lives of all Americans and not a special act for African Americans. Your post seems to indicate that the unjust killings of African Americans at the hands of the police is somehow a small price to pay for their protection. Continuing to mention that there is violence in some communities by African Americans on each other again does not absolved the police in the killings of innocent people of color.
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Im so tired of people saying he is "exercising his right". Not one person has said he cant exercise his right...not one. We are criticizing his speech, which all of the rest of us have a right to do! You have the "right" to do and say a lot of stupid things...doesnt mean you are immune to the response
"police officers are saving the lives of African Americans. Every day."
Isn't hat their job or should they get extra for saving black lives?
Isn't hat their job or should they get extra for saving black lives?
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Dear Colin. Here is a suggestion. Take your "voice" to your local police department. You know. The place where they actually HAVE CONTROL to change the behavior!!! Your behavior, and that of all your so-called supporters, is just insulting otherwise. Because its not "the country" who is committing violence. In fact "the country" voted for a black president. Twice. So take your misguided, misinformed protest, and your supporters, and put it where it belongs. Which isn't at a football game!!
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By making a national protest, he is calling attention to a national problem.
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I refer you to the First Amendment and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Seems to me that's what he is doing, no?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Seems to me that's what he is doing, no?
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Some in our country voted for and reelected Obama. People bring up this point since we have a black president, somehow racism against black people in this country has vanished. Or since Kaepernick makes millions, there is no discrimination against black people in 2016.
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Thank you, Mr. Kaepernick, for your stand that benefits us all. We will be a better country when our actions prove that Black Lives Matter. Someday, perhaps, we'll believe and act like all lives matter to the extent that we stop killing innocents of all races and religions both here and abroad.
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Question. How many people watching the games at home stand during the anthem?
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I seldom watch sports but did watch the Seahawks opener on Sunday with my family and, to make a point, stood up during the anthem. No one else did. It's just part of the show for the NFL - really means nothing. People are there to watch football and the fact that the players are standing up for racial equality is the story - not the military or national pride.
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Or simply channel surf until the game starts.
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Anthem time before a hockey game is time to get beer.
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Don't know if it's practical or too much of a leap, but I'd like to see the progressive forces in the U.S. wrap themselves in the symbols of patriotism rather than cede those symbols to the "love it or leave it" crowd.
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Are you wrapping yourself in symbols? Is that a good thing?
I just ordered a Kaepernick tee-shirt from the NFL pro shop. There were only five long-sleeved ones left of any size. Our country would be so much better if citizens spoke up about what they care about.
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I just ordered a short worn by my garbage collector because I value his opinion as a fellow American.
You just put a lot of money into a terrible organization (NFL) that has neglected the damage the sport has done to its players in favor of the super rich team owners and likely into the coffers of a Chinese company that makes the shirts. Hope that feels great man.
You just put a lot of money into a terrible organization (NFL) that has neglected the damage the sport has done to its players in favor of the super rich team owners and likely into the coffers of a Chinese company that makes the shirts. Hope that feels great man.
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How'd did taking a knee during the National Anthem morph as an anti-American or anti-military protest? Shows the ignorance of some. Instead of attacking the messenger, listen to the message about racial injustice, which, obviously many can't deal. I support Colin and glad to see his actions have awaken a sleeping giant, both the message and the proactive athletes who have influence.
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How does kneeling during the national anthem send a message of racial injustice? As far as I can tell, the conversation is about Colin Kaepernick's right to free speech, not about the millions of minority individuals who aren't pro-athletes or celebrities who lack the opportunities (for numerous of reasons) to have a decent quality of life in this country. Solutions to that very big problem is where the discussions should be had.
When a person believes that there is hope for a better future for them and their family, that is best crime deterrent.
When a person believes that there is hope for a better future for them and their family, that is best crime deterrent.
I'd like to see him put his money where his mouth is and start a foundation or make a large donation to inner city schools that have children that go to school hungry or without the necessary supplies to participate in class. Put the millions of dollars he makes to help solve the issues because he lives in America and has been given opportunities that BILLIONS around the world don't have and would give their lives to have. If he's truly upset about then he should DO something about it. Talking isn't enough when you have the economic power to help afford change. It's cheap. Yes our criminal justice system needs reform but it's not the police that are killing the majority of minorities. Look at Chicago. Rampant with crime that has nothing to do with the police. He could also mention that our prison system is a for profit system and thereby encourages arresting and incarcerating the poorest in our country to fee it. If we get money making out of prisons we stop the incentive to arrest and throw people in them. It's a complex problem that needs attention and ACTION NOW. I would challenge him to do more than sit down. I would say stand up and get your hands dirty and do. Use your position for positive change rather than a media circus that moves nothing forward. This is no sleeping giant. They've been taking about it in the media for a long time now. Time to move beyond talk and act. We need change.I'd like to see him, others,EVERYONE take a real action to make a positive change.
Kaepernick is a man of honor, Dilfer was a flop as a pro QB and his heritage from the Deep South still lingers in his words. Go Colin! We are with you! I am a white man from the 60's, and cops have always been abusive from day one, from Bull Connor in the South to the current crop of hate everyone cops who were so empowered after 9/11, under the guise of protecting we the people, the cops are now considering all of us the enemy. I don't care how many good cops there are, there are too many bad cops.
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Colin Kappernick wants to be famous. He can't make it as a quarterback so why not do something that puts him on the front page of a newspaper or magazine. Pathetic.
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Colin Kaepernick has already "made it" as a quarterback. Even if his career ends tomorrow, he has already known the thrill of playing in a Super Bowl -- something many men desire and will never know. He also knows what it's like to have many female admirers -- something many men would envy. So when it comes to being a glamorous quarterback, the ultimate symbol of American manhood, been there, done that.
I think we need to take people at face value. He's a voice for the voiceless, a child of two worlds who understands that when you belong to both, you can end up belonging to neither. Imagine what it's like to be rejected by your white birth mother and black birth father. Or to go on vacations with your white adopted family and have well-meaning strangers ask if you're lost, because you don't look like you fit in. You don't have to be poor and oppressed to understand rejection. It's a kind of profound hurt that no amount of money can assuage. Maybe Colin Kaepernick has found in other people's suffering his own. -- thegamesmenplay.com.
I think we need to take people at face value. He's a voice for the voiceless, a child of two worlds who understands that when you belong to both, you can end up belonging to neither. Imagine what it's like to be rejected by your white birth mother and black birth father. Or to go on vacations with your white adopted family and have well-meaning strangers ask if you're lost, because you don't look like you fit in. You don't have to be poor and oppressed to understand rejection. It's a kind of profound hurt that no amount of money can assuage. Maybe Colin Kaepernick has found in other people's suffering his own. -- thegamesmenplay.com.
Make no mistake, African-American fans are not divided. I am not only referring to our young men and women but older African-Americans who marched during the Civil Rights Movement. We all understand and have witnessed the brutality first hand.
We are no longer asking for approval. Thank you Kaepernick.
We are no longer asking for approval. Thank you Kaepernick.
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Larry, I am a sixty year old white guy who lives in an economically depressed, mixed race neighborhood. I choose to live here because I want to live in a place where people are all different. I feel like Kaepernick is a patriot who is fighting for me too. I personally witness and experience very different behavior from the police living where I do now than I did when I lived in a more expensive neighborhood. Obama often explains that we are on a journey building a more perfect union. Kaepernick’s efforts are part of that journey. Non-violent expression of outrage at mean spirited and violent police behavior is exactly what we need more of. Dr. King and Gandhi never asked for approval. They both courageously and non-violently demanded dignity. Thank God almost every mobile phone has a video camera. It is now impossible to deny that our police need different training and a tighter filtering out of those cops with anger issues. We need to stop hiring mean cops and punish the cops who lie to protect them. Ninety percent of the cops are people who inspire me but the mean ones I encounter are very dangerous. Most Americans are blind to how threatening and demeaning the treatment of the powerless by some cops can be. When Kaepernick is annoying people it is because he is challenging them to change. We all owe Kaepernick a debt, including me. He may not be asking for my approval but he certainly has earned my gratitude.
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Isn't it ironic that all those fans who denounce Kaepernick as being unpatriotic have no problem with all those so called patriotic demonstrations by sports teams but never question why with rare exception those players and the owners or members of their families are unwilling to serve in the military the same way those they say they honoring.
And the Donald should keep his mouth shut on this issue considering he was 4-F based on a medical problem so severe that he couldn't even remember its location and his doctor says doesn't exist now.
And the Donald should keep his mouth shut on this issue considering he was 4-F based on a medical problem so severe that he couldn't even remember its location and his doctor says doesn't exist now.
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There is the little known history of our treatment of the Bonus Army but now is not the time and the place for historical review. What Kaepernik is saying is there is no better time for Americans to kneel or sit and look in the mirror as when the National Anthem is being played. He is of course 100% correct. America is still the wealthiest most powerful country on Earth and there is a time for navel gazing and it is now
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It is absolutely his 'right' not to stand for the anthem. But he doesn't seem to understand that the anthem isn't about our country being perfect. It is a recognition of the people who've died to protect his right, and many like me find it an affront that he would choose that venue to display his views on police brutality, which, as horrible as it has been on occasion, is still far more the exception than the rule. If he really wants an education, he should go on a few ride-alongs.
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I don't see his action as dishonoring our military but as a protest that their sacrifices, injuries and deaths are being dishonored when people in authority use racism to put down any of us.
Have you actually read the entire song. Here, let me give you the third verse, where Francis Scott Key (a slaveholder) writes that the slaves that ran and fought on the British side should die:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I personally find it difficult to stand and place my hand over my heart during this song. In fact, I stopped doing it years ago.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I personally find it difficult to stand and place my hand over my heart during this song. In fact, I stopped doing it years ago.
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I live this writer's manipulation of language in this superficial and ham-handed attempt at fairness:
One side to the dispute is described with over-the-top, multisyllabic terms derived from Latin or Greek ("express their nascent political consciousness," "curiously ebullient").
The other side is described with gutter terms: "yakker," "beer-soaked."
How to describe the author: journalist or hack?
One side to the dispute is described with over-the-top, multisyllabic terms derived from Latin or Greek ("express their nascent political consciousness," "curiously ebullient").
The other side is described with gutter terms: "yakker," "beer-soaked."
How to describe the author: journalist or hack?
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It's so gratifying to see that at least one reader has gotten to the core of this article.
Kaepernick is a disgrace to football. He is uninformed and his misguidings are fueled by divisive Liberal rhetoric that is completely inaccurate. Why doesnt he protest the the killing of blacks by blacks, which is the real problem in the American black community. More whites are killed by police than blacks. Kapernicks right to protest begins and ends at the stadium door and if the Commissioner of The NFL had any gumption or dignity he would enact and enforce a stand for the Anthem or sit on the bench policy.
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1. As someone commenting above pointed out, how many of the 'supporters ' of our flag stand during the anthem when they are home. I suspect 0.00000001 percent.
2. What about the gumption of the NFL to require that fans pray during the anthem?
2. What about the gumption of the NFL to require that fans pray during the anthem?
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If his right to protest ends at the stadium door, so should the right of the NFL (or MLB or an other sporting league) to "enforce" patriotism by even playing the national anthem in the first place.
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Are you suggesting that African-Americans should ignore crimes committed by state actors such as the police because of "Black on Black" violence in 'their communities'? Please be advised that there are many initiatives to address "Black on Black" violence. While there is still lots of work to do, it is disingenuous to pretend that this issue is not being addressed. The players have been subjected to racist vitriol because they chose to exercise their right to protest. (It is not prohibited by any NFL rules). I am extremely offended by that despicable behavior, but it appears that many people aren't troubled by it. That behavior is far worse than any of the actions of the players.
I hate football, but have purchased Kaepernick's jersey because I support his right to protest, because I know that there is an imbalance in the way that Black's are treated by the police (Blacks are killed at a disproportionate rate when compared to whites), and because I detest racism. I will purchase the other players jerseys for the very same reason.
I hate football, but have purchased Kaepernick's jersey because I support his right to protest, because I know that there is an imbalance in the way that Black's are treated by the police (Blacks are killed at a disproportionate rate when compared to whites), and because I detest racism. I will purchase the other players jerseys for the very same reason.
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Does Kaepernick have any interest in talking with any of the families of the 500 people who have been murdered by young black men in Chicago so far this year? Or the hundreds, collectively, in Atlanta, Detroit, LA, NYC, DC? Or are those deaths not a problem for him?
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There is a difference between unfair treatment from representatives of the local government who are paid to treat everyone equally under the law and criminals killing others for money or power. Both are obviously wrong but for different reasons.
Police officers include some of the most generous, selfless and fair people in our country, but unfortunately also include others who let their biases (not just racial either) get the best of them. Police officers, like all government members, are held to higher levels of scrutiny than others, but it is for good reason. We should expect police departments around the country to do all they can to have police forces that mirror the backgrounds of the communities they serve and also get training in understanding people from different backgrounds.
Being a police officer has to be one of the toughest jobs anyone can have and as much as we need to hold them to a high standard, we should also be sure to praise the best of them for the incredible community leaders they are who work hard and risk their lives to make our towns and cities safe, fair, and good places to live.
Police officers include some of the most generous, selfless and fair people in our country, but unfortunately also include others who let their biases (not just racial either) get the best of them. Police officers, like all government members, are held to higher levels of scrutiny than others, but it is for good reason. We should expect police departments around the country to do all they can to have police forces that mirror the backgrounds of the communities they serve and also get training in understanding people from different backgrounds.
Being a police officer has to be one of the toughest jobs anyone can have and as much as we need to hold them to a high standard, we should also be sure to praise the best of them for the incredible community leaders they are who work hard and risk their lives to make our towns and cities safe, fair, and good places to live.
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There is a point to this that people with your expressed viewpoint always seem to miss, Bianca. The 500 murders to which you refer (I'll address the ones born of drug and gang violence) are part of the same problem, that is a system in which certain lives are relegated to the margins and deemed as not as important as others; and after generations of that message being drilled into a population from all angles it does not come as a surprise that taking a "worthless" life is seen as not such a big deal. It is a system in which people turn to gangs and drugs because they experience hopelessness on a daily basis and gangs and drugs give some someone inclusion and escape. It is a system in which police and government operate with impunity, where it is OK to poison a population's water supply to save a few dollars and to keep taxes down, because who needs to spend money on these marginalized populations anyway, they're worthless. It's a system where someone gets paid millions of dollars to throw a football or make a movie or wreck an economy, but where a kindergarten teacher makes comparatively nothing. He is raising his voice for what he sees as an injustice. There is so much injustice in the US and the world right now that it would be virtually impossible for him to give voice to all of his specific grievances. I'm pretty sure that based on the position that he has taken that he would be willing to talk to anyone who would be willing to talk to him about these injustices.
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Such a straw argument. If we wants to protest one thing he suddenly has to solve all problems affecting African-Americans?
At least he is doing something about one issue, you are not doing anything about any of them.
At least he is doing something about one issue, you are not doing anything about any of them.
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I'm totally fine with someone expressing their views, even if it is an extremely minority viewpoint. What I'm not fine is having nearly the entire broadcast of the National Anthem focused on two protesting individuals. What about the other 68,000 individuals who are standing and singing along? What about the military personnel in attendance? Why do we give so much attention to such a minority opinion? I totally expect the NY Times to publish at least two more articles on this non-issue by the end of the week.
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What greater respect is there to a soldier's sacrifices than to exercise one's constitutional rights? Flags and anthems are mere symbols, freedom of speech is an inalienable right and should be given the utmost deference in the public square. Those in uniform, whether they be policemen or soldiers, serve the ideal and not the symbol.
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What has happened in America where we cover people taking a stand and miss the people trying to implement solutions? Colin, consistent with a majority of Americans, is disturbed. Please offer some solutions, rather than merely pointing out the obvious.
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