More Crooked Clinton lies. You don't pass out from pneumonia.
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Dear b.f.:
Another expert opinion, I presume. Thank you, doctor, for nothing.
DD
Manhattan
Another expert opinion, I presume. Thank you, doctor, for nothing.
DD
Manhattan
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Yes you do, particularly if you have been standing in the heat with a bullet proof vest on and campaigning like gang busters for months. I passed out got to hospital and was diagnosed with pneumonia and I was in my twenties and not working at the time. Get a grip your lack of intelligence is showing
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Is there any end to the Clinton "spin machine?" What's the big deal about her having pneumonia? People understand these things happen to anyone who runs themselves ragged doing too many things in too little time. Her staff should have told the truth right away rather than give out some stupid story about "overheating and exhaustion." But the Clinton crowd is so secretive that they can't even handle a minor health event without looking like the CIA. No wonder people don't like or trust her. She consistently puts herself in a bad "optics" situation that needs to be explained over and over until her credibility is once again put into question. Trump's mental disabilities far outweigh Hillary's pneumonia in seriousness and so we now have an election between two unworthy candidates.
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How would you like it if you every sneeze cough or perceived health conditions was bantied about by every loser talking head who happens to have a microphone. I would not reveal it either. I presume you have heard of HAPPY? Do you know why that privacy law was enacted?
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Please rest. We need you in the White House! God bless.you and God bless America!
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Hillary is sick like the other 3 million cases of pneumonia which are reported each year in the United States. She goes and takes care of herself. Now Trump, that's a whole new issue. Trump is grandiose-narcissistic & sociopathic. UH YEA, no bed rest, take some antibiotics, eat an orange, rest....that just isn't going to hack it. Like Donkey on Shrek said...."Trump's going to need some serious therapy".
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My best wishes to Mrs. Hillary Clinton for a speedy recovery. God bless her and God bless America!
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Could this illness be related to her thrombophlebitis and tendency to form clots? If this is a manifestation of pulmonary embolus, the implications are significantly different, especially for someone already on Coumadin. Many parts of her history would suggest a consideration of the diagnosis. Given the implications (see Basketball player Chris Bosh), one would hope her attending physician has it in the differential diagnosis
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Maybe you should share the info that these outdoor events where you stand in the sun for hours are rough. You are not allowed a water bottle or an umbrella- I passed out at one in Colorado- no one stands in the sun here without getting cooked and some folks can't keep properly hydrated. Not that facts would mean anything to the conspiracy coots.
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Not surprisingly, Trump also has well-documented medical issues. I have it on good authority, Rush Limbaugh, that Donald Trump is suffering from terminal zits that have metastasized to his hemorrhoids making him incapable of sitting down in the Situation Room. That is not likely to be a long-term problem, as further spread is invariably to the mouth. When that occurs in 3 1/2 weeks (average time), the prognosis is that he will rip his tongue out leaving him incapable of functioning. Small, useless hands notwithstanding, doctors say Trump will linger for another two weeks and probably expire on Halloween.
Meanwhile Clinton is likely suffering from nothing more serious than Litvinenko Syndrome, a disease brought back by Trump or Manfort from their visits to Putin who, notoriously, is an asymptomatic carrier.
Meanwhile Clinton is likely suffering from nothing more serious than Litvinenko Syndrome, a disease brought back by Trump or Manfort from their visits to Putin who, notoriously, is an asymptomatic carrier.
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Apparently Trump and his oily media advisors Roger Ailes and Bannon of the right wing conspiracy rag, Breitbart, have convened a death panel for Clinton and her lung ailment. Modern medicine eludes their cave I guess.
Never mind that the combined weight and blood pressure of this team of aging Boomer heart attacks-in-waiting would have a team of doctors sawing off their lard and brushing up on CPR.
Hard to imagine what Trump's panel would offer the folks of Appalachia with a history of lung disease from mines if pneumonia is now a fatal condition - throw you over a cliff I guess. Maybe his team from the KKK has a health plan to offer. Will the common cold also be a death sentence?
Never mind that the combined weight and blood pressure of this team of aging Boomer heart attacks-in-waiting would have a team of doctors sawing off their lard and brushing up on CPR.
Hard to imagine what Trump's panel would offer the folks of Appalachia with a history of lung disease from mines if pneumonia is now a fatal condition - throw you over a cliff I guess. Maybe his team from the KKK has a health plan to offer. Will the common cold also be a death sentence?
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NYT: The video shows Clinton collapsing, as well as wobbling or stumbling. Report accurately.
That said, I feel that Clinton is being held or is holding herself to an unreasonable standard. She needs time to rest and recover and I hope that she avails herself of it.
That said, I feel that Clinton is being held or is holding herself to an unreasonable standard. She needs time to rest and recover and I hope that she avails herself of it.
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Very well said! Thank You!
Bug been "going around" in Michigan. Sore throat, dragged out, slight fever. Next time look at local news "whats going around" for moms of small children in local area you are visiting and take the usual grandma precautions.
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It's been a long hard fought campaign but now it's time to pull back and rest before she takes the Oath of Office!
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Nut how do you get Venezuela to take a chance on her?
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New York Times I mean can a healthy person be spiked with the Pneumonia virus or bacteria in their food and drinks? Like a wicked hateful vile person, will do, all out to commit an unauthorised 007 kind or type of secret spike or call it murder or as it is call dirty politics? A nagging doubt thus this question is being asked.
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Big deal. George H.W. Bush barfed on the Japanese prime minister, remember?
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If you view her movements carefully as she collapses and is lifted into the vehicle, only one conclusion can be drawn. She is having a seizure.
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Baloney.
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John has a point. This woman could be having anything going on and her demand for secrecy will keep every bit of info out of the papers.
We may see a Mao denoument, when the leader dies and the silent tone of government keeps it a State Secret for months or years.
Looking for my old videotape copy of the film, ''Dave'' ....
We may see a Mao denoument, when the leader dies and the silent tone of government keeps it a State Secret for months or years.
Looking for my old videotape copy of the film, ''Dave'' ....
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I am sorry for your prediction but dehydraction.has that reaction. I've experienced it the same way!
Now I'm beginning to wonder about her long absence during the January debate bathroom break. At the time, I had no reason to question what she said.
She said the bathroom was far away, but now I wonder.
Dr Drew Pinsky must be feeling some sort of vindication right about now.
She said the bathroom was far away, but now I wonder.
Dr Drew Pinsky must be feeling some sort of vindication right about now.
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Traditionally, only Republicans can mess up a campaign this badly. Perhaps it is transmittable after all.
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Hmmm. Hillary could have had her double leave Chelsea's apartment. I always carry my purse on my shoulder - always same one, right shoulder. I cannot carry it on my left as falls down and uncomfortable. When Hillary arrived to the event she was carrying the purse comfortably over her left shoulder as she greeted folks. But when leaving Chelsea's the person comfortably carried the purse on right shoulder. I think it was her look alike pretending to be Hilary. And having a granddaughter she would not have hugged a child knowing she was ill.
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Maybe take a taxi home.
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"Feeling great. Feeling great. It's a beautiful day in NY"
This is just the kind of non-responsive response that Hillary needs to learn how to STOP doing. Now. She knew it was pneumonia and dehydration, yet she couldn't bring herself to say that directly and clearly, without hesitation.
This kind of fog just encourages distrust in her as a person. I'm really tired of it, even tho' I'll be voting for her.
This is just the kind of non-responsive response that Hillary needs to learn how to STOP doing. Now. She knew it was pneumonia and dehydration, yet she couldn't bring herself to say that directly and clearly, without hesitation.
This kind of fog just encourages distrust in her as a person. I'm really tired of it, even tho' I'll be voting for her.
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For three decades, THE operant phrase with the Clintons is ''Anyone Else.''
Based om the fact that Anyone Else would have been taken to a hospital, the campaign people KNEW she couldn't be taken to an E.R. Why? Actual diagnoses by people not blood-sworn to secrecy (the OTHER Clinton word.)
Instead, she basically hid for nine hours - until certain medications could be tried and then others tried if need be. My first guess is Parkinson's Disease.
No wonder Cokie Roberts and the higher insiders of The Party are thinking of stopping this charade ASAP. They also have detailed results from the 2008 primary season to work into their detailed election forecast.
I see this as God saving the United States.
Based om the fact that Anyone Else would have been taken to a hospital, the campaign people KNEW she couldn't be taken to an E.R. Why? Actual diagnoses by people not blood-sworn to secrecy (the OTHER Clinton word.)
Instead, she basically hid for nine hours - until certain medications could be tried and then others tried if need be. My first guess is Parkinson's Disease.
No wonder Cokie Roberts and the higher insiders of The Party are thinking of stopping this charade ASAP. They also have detailed results from the 2008 primary season to work into their detailed election forecast.
I see this as God saving the United States.
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I don't believe much of anything that Hillary says. And the explanation given by Hillary's private doctor for Hillary's collapsing and falling episodes makes no sense. A bit of online research indicates that such episodes are symptoms of advanced Parkinson's disease.
If Hillary wants us to believe her then why doesn't she release ALL of her medical records to an INDEPENDENT panel of physicians for evaluation?
If Hillary wants us to believe her then why doesn't she release ALL of her medical records to an INDEPENDENT panel of physicians for evaluation?
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I'm glad we have someone so qualified among us that they can diagnose Parkinson's from a short news report! I suggest you go on to curing AIDS and cancer before breakfast.
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She should submit all her medical records, preferably to a republican nominated voodoo comitee to dig in. After all thses dung beetles aquired some valuable experience which could be used creatively in smearing the Clintons to the fourth generation. Sickening.
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She won't because she has something to hide.
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As a nurse practitioner I can sympathize with Hillary Clinton... 80 degrees, humidity, pantsuit....and Oh by the way, likely a bullet proof vest....Standing for 90 minutes in the sun could easily take someone down. I would last about 15 minutes.
I do have allergies, and often cough, which dehydrates you...and yes, I have gotten pneumonia (twice) from being exposed to large groups of people...I'm pretty sure that is what those campaigns involve. Hillary is exposed to pathogens constantly. God Bless her and anyone who deals with modern campaigns. It isn't your grandfather's type of campaign anymore. More intense, faster, more exposure. Give her some applause instead of grief!
I do have allergies, and often cough, which dehydrates you...and yes, I have gotten pneumonia (twice) from being exposed to large groups of people...I'm pretty sure that is what those campaigns involve. Hillary is exposed to pathogens constantly. God Bless her and anyone who deals with modern campaigns. It isn't your grandfather's type of campaign anymore. More intense, faster, more exposure. Give her some applause instead of grief!
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She is definitely under more stress than candidates of old. Every time a reporter opens their mouth, she has to immediately put on her lawyer hat to decide if she is about to be forced to plead the Fifth Amendment because half the country knows she has enmeshed herself in a criminal conspiracy to gather ill-gotten gains by illegal means.
Just how much are the Saudis investing in her? Will that have to be returned if she is never the President?
Just how much are the Saudis investing in her? Will that have to be returned if she is never the President?
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@Virginia Beck
It wasn't 80 degrees.
You would last longer than she did.
She doesn't have allergies as far as we know.
As a nurse you should know people with pneumonia gets x-rayed right away.
I'm not a Trump supporter but Hillary's secrecy about her health is worrying.
It wasn't 80 degrees.
You would last longer than she did.
She doesn't have allergies as far as we know.
As a nurse you should know people with pneumonia gets x-rayed right away.
I'm not a Trump supporter but Hillary's secrecy about her health is worrying.
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The elitists in their ivory towers who think this is an issue have never had to suffer through a day on the job toughing it out.
Anyone take an exam with the flu ? Insist you could face another batter even when your arm felt like it would fall off ? Say you really didn't have plans when the boss asked you to stay late ?
I'm 100% on her side here, as are most people who are bring honest with themselves and can recall a time where they were in a similar position.
Anyone take an exam with the flu ? Insist you could face another batter even when your arm felt like it would fall off ? Say you really didn't have plans when the boss asked you to stay late ?
I'm 100% on her side here, as are most people who are bring honest with themselves and can recall a time where they were in a similar position.
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If you don't include Hillary in the "elite" category, you might want to give your personal definition of the word.
If she were actually diagnosed with pneumonia days prior to having ambulatory problems, said it was due to heat (77F), and decided to go to her daughter's apartment (not a medical facility) then one might question her honesty and common sense, not stand with her on the basis they took an exam when they had the flu. To each his own.
If she were actually diagnosed with pneumonia days prior to having ambulatory problems, said it was due to heat (77F), and decided to go to her daughter's apartment (not a medical facility) then one might question her honesty and common sense, not stand with her on the basis they took an exam when they had the flu. To each his own.
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In reply to Fran Soyer in New York.
I worked for 41 years in the USA. There were many many times that I went into work not feeling too good and toughed it out. But I never collapsed on the job.
I worked for 41 years in the USA. There were many many times that I went into work not feeling too good and toughed it out. But I never collapsed on the job.
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John- you worked in Kevlar in the sun for an hour and a half every day. Uh hunh.
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I'm a nurse and after reading a batch of these comments, it's clear that Americans have been watching far too many faux medical TV shows.
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I don't know, I'm not really buying the pneumonia. I've had pneumonia and I don't remember sudden coughing outbursts w/ pneumonia, I remember just wanting to sleep all the time, I was exhausted, and you not being able to breathe well, like bronchitis. Sudden uncontrollable coughing and hacking almost sounds like a heart issue.
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You're kidding right? if you 'had' walking pneumonia the idea was that you had a nagging cough you may not have understood correctly. I had it for at least 2 weeks before, traveling to San Francisco to visit my daughter thinking I just had a bad cold and having those terrible fitful coughs and then traveled Upstate NY to visit my other daughter with the cough getting worse before finally getting sick enough to take myself to the doctor. The woman at the front desk even chided me for coming in without an appointment for which I hope she felt pretty stupid adterward! The doctor listened to my chest and immediately instructed me to get to the hospital - I was sent home with a diagnosis of pneumonia and a course of strong antibiotics. With them you feel better within days... Sound familiar?
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DT runs a relaxed campaign with little rehearsal or thought. HC works. Her engagement is exponential compared to DTs. How many of us could keep up?
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I'm glad we have a Presidential candidate who is willing to summon up the strength to honor the 9/11 fallen literally to the point of exhaustion.
Shame on those who have taken this act of inner strength and politicized it.
I'm sure bone spurs wouldn't have stopped her.
Shame on those who have taken this act of inner strength and politicized it.
I'm sure bone spurs wouldn't have stopped her.
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A diagnosis of pneumonia can be made through a stethoscope merely by hearing some mucus rattling around in the lungs. This may not be correct, it could be mucus from asthma or allergy,and most often a virus, but if it is called pneumonia and the patient is put to rest and antibiotics, the patient gets better. Medicine is a practical art, not a precise science. If at some point an xray is done and an underlying condition like an aneurysm or leukemia is ruled out, that is the end of the problem. Anyone can get this and it goes away. Scarcely big news.
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As i watch the kerfuffle about Clinton's health. The reporters again assessing her health more than Trump contnuous hiding facts ie lack of tax returns. i am surprised the Republicans are now so concerned about a woman's health . Yet they want to close abortion clinics which is legal,USA has high mortality rate in pregnant women and they demonize Planned Parenthood. Start doing responible reporting of real concerns for women !!
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All human beings are flawed. HRC less than others.
She is still entiled to be a human being and we get ill from time to time do we not?
Her big handicap is being a woman. She will prevail.
She is still entiled to be a human being and we get ill from time to time do we not?
Her big handicap is being a woman. She will prevail.
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Several points::Cannot envisage HRC campaigning henceforth with her customary vigor, and believe in my "fors interieur" that disabilities would prevent her from carrying out duties of a c-in-c even if she won in November. Pesky thing about rumors is that they turn out to be true.In 1963 rumors that JFK was killed by a conspiracy rather than a lone assassin r now accepted as an article of faith. Former employer, Bernard Fensterwald, attorney who defended James Earl Ray was convinced of a conspiracy, and paid me a per diem and salary to investigate rumors of a French connection.Even Chief Justice Warren balked when first asked to head the Commission that bore his name.He knew it would be a cover up.Rumors that HRC may be suffering from Parkinson's disease r "monnaie courante among some m.d.'s.and right wing talk hosts.Can they all be mistaken?.Drew Pinsky, m.d.and psychiatrist was given the heave ho by from CNN for intimating that HRC had serious health issues. Campaign is a race to the finish line, a marathon in the words of Stone. and candidates must be in excellent physical condition to stay the course. When I saw l'oncle Raoul for first time since Algeria, and in France after he had been acquitted of murder, I was shocked at change in his appearance.One arm hung limp at his side, no doubt the after effect of a minor stroke. But Salan remained every inch the general, and at 77 llooked sturdier than HRC who is 68.
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I have asthma and seasonal allergies, and have had "walking pneumonia" also. It happens. Rest, antibiotics, fluids. I just stayed home from work, didn't mention it to anyone really. Luckily, I didn't have video cameras trained on me at all times.
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Obv your body double was healthy says Breitbart, paper of record for conspiracy theorists.
interesting coincidence. tonight on Channel thirteen's masterpiece, a drama with MIchael Gambon playing Winston Churchill who hid a stroke from the world in order to help save it.
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Pneumonia? Im surprised they didn't go with something more believable like global warming caused her to faint. Oh I forgot that is to hard to believe, then lets go with the zika virus, or maybe its syphilis that caused her pass out multiple times. But no they go with pneumonia, unbelievable.
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Women get sick and men die - that's how the issue of gender differences in health has been cheerily summarized. [Who gets sicker, men or women? (The Guardian)]
Life expectancy for females is 81.2 years; for males, it's 76.4 years. Donald Drumpf is 69 years old. Hillary is only 68 years old. If Hillary is to play the "woman card"...play this one. Statistically Hillary will outlive the Drumpf by many years. Also, Hillary’s mother lived till she was 92 so she has strong family linage. Now put into the equation that Hillary Clinton can also play the “most experienced” card and is well versed in the realm of politics at the State, Congressional, Presidential, and International levels. She is the most experienced politician running in the presidential race. She has more political experience than any previous presidential forerunner. As a person, Hillary knows what it is like to grow up poor, work her way up, and break through many glass ceilings. She has a connection to not just the super-rich but also to the middle class and the poor. Hillary has the view of being able to look back at what is needed and the ability to see forward to the true environment at what is in front of her.
Life expectancy for females is 81.2 years; for males, it's 76.4 years. Donald Drumpf is 69 years old. Hillary is only 68 years old. If Hillary is to play the "woman card"...play this one. Statistically Hillary will outlive the Drumpf by many years. Also, Hillary’s mother lived till she was 92 so she has strong family linage. Now put into the equation that Hillary Clinton can also play the “most experienced” card and is well versed in the realm of politics at the State, Congressional, Presidential, and International levels. She is the most experienced politician running in the presidential race. She has more political experience than any previous presidential forerunner. As a person, Hillary knows what it is like to grow up poor, work her way up, and break through many glass ceilings. She has a connection to not just the super-rich but also to the middle class and the poor. Hillary has the view of being able to look back at what is needed and the ability to see forward to the true environment at what is in front of her.
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I wonder what kind of seizure she had.
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I'm a nurse. It didn't remotely resemble a seizure. Stop making stuff up.
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Whatever qualifications you think you have to make a diagnosis, you don't.
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You are right. It was a seizure.
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I just don't care if she's ill. Well, I take that back to an extent; I hope she feels better and I do want her to be President. But if it's Kaine vs Trump I'm obviously going with Kaine. So, this is a non story for me.
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Look closely at the faces and demeanor of her staff and the Secret Service agents around her. There is no indication of shock or surprise on there faces. There is only an orderly closing of ranks behind her.
This means that these episodes are commonplace.
This means that these episodes are commonplace.
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No such inference can be made. The professionalism of security guards includes poise and equanimity in the face of all kinds of surprises. They would also have been alerted to the fact that she was feeling under the weather, and in their watchfulness would have been able to observe that the heat was affecting her.
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That is an interesting point.
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Working while sick...the American way.
Researchers at the University of East Anglia, in a recent analysis of 61 studies involving 175,960 participants, have uncovered the primary reasons why we still choose to go to work when we are sick. Presenteeism…Researchers at UEA says that presenteeism stems from ill health, stress, and raised motivation. This may have employees going that “extra mile,” which not only makes them work more intensely, but even head into work when they are sick, according to the study…Is it your fault? Nope. Is it the organizational pressure that keeps you in the office when you should be in bed? It might be. According to the analysis, the strongest link to presenteeism is the severity of the organizational policies used to monitor or reduce staff absences, a.k.a. your company time off policy. [SCIENCE: Why Do We Go to Work When We’re Sick?]
Researchers at the University of East Anglia, in a recent analysis of 61 studies involving 175,960 participants, have uncovered the primary reasons why we still choose to go to work when we are sick. Presenteeism…Researchers at UEA says that presenteeism stems from ill health, stress, and raised motivation. This may have employees going that “extra mile,” which not only makes them work more intensely, but even head into work when they are sick, according to the study…Is it your fault? Nope. Is it the organizational pressure that keeps you in the office when you should be in bed? It might be. According to the analysis, the strongest link to presenteeism is the severity of the organizational policies used to monitor or reduce staff absences, a.k.a. your company time off policy. [SCIENCE: Why Do We Go to Work When We’re Sick?]
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This looks more and more like an inept campaign (or Hillary cannot learn). Coming clean on Friday was the best option, this and other stupid mistakes can easily cost them the election.
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If Hillary had come out Friday and said she had pneumonia and was taking it easy for a few days, the GOP would have pounced. "Presidents don't get sick days! She's too weak!" By going to the service, but having to leave, they pounce: "she's critically ill! She didn't tell us!!!"
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And Democrats are so much more kind and high minded that they would never pounce...
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Except for the last sentence, the doctor's note is written in the third person. WHO diagnosed Hillary with pneumonia? The doctor who wrote the note did not claim to have made that diagnosis. I have NO TRUST that Hillary or her campaign is or will ever tell me the truth. They are constant and consistent liars, even when lying is not necessary, they lie.
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When Clinton coughs, market tanks;
When Clinton recovers, market recovers.
Better pray.
When Clinton recovers, market recovers.
Better pray.
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That doesn't even rime.
As ever, it is not the incident itself that does the damage, but the cover-up. That is the reason why there are >4500 comments. Clinton just became unelectable. Schadenfreude.
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You know what they say.. Karma is a Hillary!
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@nhs
All easy to say from 3,000 miles away -- But do you actually realize anything about the double-standards, here in U.S. politics???
What it's like to be an African-American man, or a Woman, seeking the highest elected office in the land???
No. I didn't think so.
All easy to say from 3,000 miles away -- But do you actually realize anything about the double-standards, here in U.S. politics???
What it's like to be an African-American man, or a Woman, seeking the highest elected office in the land???
No. I didn't think so.
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Cover up?? Really???
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From reading many of the critical comments about Hillary's malady, I think her statement about the "Deplorable" supporters of Trump was vastly underestimated. Many herein are just beside themselves with joy over Hillary collapsing. Some of them express the hope that this will put an end to not just her campaign but Hillary herself.
I would say that is the definition of "Deplorable". For many of those Hillary Haters out there, "Deplorable" was a most accurate assessment. Mob rule, lynch mob comes to mind for moi. Deplorable indeed.
And what further proof could one have then to see the despicable Trump come out today and express his dismay and "hurt" over Hillary's statement. Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
What happened to the Trump who said, "Some are rapists, some are murderers, some are dealing drugs, and some are OK"? Yes, what did happen to that Trump? Oh yes, he's losing and is going to get his be-hind kicked come November 8th. That's what cured The Donald of his potty mouth. For now.
DD
Manhattan
I would say that is the definition of "Deplorable". For many of those Hillary Haters out there, "Deplorable" was a most accurate assessment. Mob rule, lynch mob comes to mind for moi. Deplorable indeed.
And what further proof could one have then to see the despicable Trump come out today and express his dismay and "hurt" over Hillary's statement. Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
What happened to the Trump who said, "Some are rapists, some are murderers, some are dealing drugs, and some are OK"? Yes, what did happen to that Trump? Oh yes, he's losing and is going to get his be-hind kicked come November 8th. That's what cured The Donald of his potty mouth. For now.
DD
Manhattan
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Where were you when Democrats we saying incredibly horrible things about Bush to the glee of the NYT and other establishment propagandists? My guess is your voice was among those screeching epithets and insults as you marched against "W" like he was the enemy. You Liberals are all alike, in that you are all a bunch of elitist hypocrites.
Having said that, I think that anyone who wishes ill on a political opponent is detestable. I should also point out that while Liberals all over the Internet have been spewing their vitriol at Trump, The Donald was writing a "Get Well Soon" card to his opponent. Who are the deplorable ones again?
Having said that, I think that anyone who wishes ill on a political opponent is detestable. I should also point out that while Liberals all over the Internet have been spewing their vitriol at Trump, The Donald was writing a "Get Well Soon" card to his opponent. Who are the deplorable ones again?
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Only because his handler, kelly ann, instructed him to do so.
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Dear James:
Your guess is as good as your power to reason. No screeching, no yelling epithets, no marching (I stopped marching after Vietnam, Pal). Just voting, in 2004, for John Kerry, who enlisted, who went willingly to Vietnam, who volunteered for swift boat duty, who received a Purple Heart, and who was later vilified for his service, accused of a self-inflicted wound, and being anti-American for protesting the war. He was "swift-boated". Your man Bush did that. Although Dubya' could have been brought up on charges of war crimes, President Obama, whom I do admire, did not pursue such action. Like President Ford with Nixon, I think he did the right thing, unlike Republicans who are looking under every rock for evidence against Hillary.
What I did was write (hand-written letters) my Representatives in Congress, expressing my belief that going to war against Iraq was like declaring war on China after Pearl Harbor. It was a fool's errand, and yes George W. is responsible for it, as he well knows. He now realizes that it was his not so able VP Cheney and Rummy, and the neo-cons, who steered him wrong. Oops.
As for your man, Trump. If you think what he has said is not "deplorable" then I believe your advocacy of him makes you equally complicit. That is mob rule, and you are part of the mob.
With little time left. Trump is trying to take back his earlier comments. It's far too late for that. Trump has made his bed of nails. He will have to lay upon it.
DD
Manhattan
Your guess is as good as your power to reason. No screeching, no yelling epithets, no marching (I stopped marching after Vietnam, Pal). Just voting, in 2004, for John Kerry, who enlisted, who went willingly to Vietnam, who volunteered for swift boat duty, who received a Purple Heart, and who was later vilified for his service, accused of a self-inflicted wound, and being anti-American for protesting the war. He was "swift-boated". Your man Bush did that. Although Dubya' could have been brought up on charges of war crimes, President Obama, whom I do admire, did not pursue such action. Like President Ford with Nixon, I think he did the right thing, unlike Republicans who are looking under every rock for evidence against Hillary.
What I did was write (hand-written letters) my Representatives in Congress, expressing my belief that going to war against Iraq was like declaring war on China after Pearl Harbor. It was a fool's errand, and yes George W. is responsible for it, as he well knows. He now realizes that it was his not so able VP Cheney and Rummy, and the neo-cons, who steered him wrong. Oops.
As for your man, Trump. If you think what he has said is not "deplorable" then I believe your advocacy of him makes you equally complicit. That is mob rule, and you are part of the mob.
With little time left. Trump is trying to take back his earlier comments. It's far too late for that. Trump has made his bed of nails. He will have to lay upon it.
DD
Manhattan
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When I watch the video, the part that looks strange is that her knees buckle while her torso remained stiff & her head jerks. I have seen plenty of people pass out in military formation, especially as a dehydrated cadet at a military academy, but never in that manner. Their torsos always got limp as their knees bended. Just an observation.
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Replying to RM in San Francisco.
It looks like a seizure to me.
It looks like a seizure to me.
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Either that's a seizure or the strangest fainting ever.
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I'm not buying it. She clearly had another seizure. It explains the mucus a few weeks ago, but it doesn't explain the seizures. Plus, if her symptoms were so bad that she passed out, why did she go to an apartment and then go for a walk just 90 minutes later? I'm not buying it.
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Have you ever actually seen someone have a seizure?? Thought not.
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@oldnurse
Have you?
Have you?
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Yes, answer the question or we will assume you are out stalking someone and feeding small children to birds.
After seeing there are over 4500 comments and reading many, I think we're now at a point of true national hysteria.
There are countless unbelievable and mostly biased comments by people with little or no medical knowledge, copious leaps of logic from unsound premises, and gobs of overblown rhetoric.
For those whose aim is simply to stir up trouble, this does not reflect well on the citizens of the United States nor is it good for the national psyche.
There are countless unbelievable and mostly biased comments by people with little or no medical knowledge, copious leaps of logic from unsound premises, and gobs of overblown rhetoric.
For those whose aim is simply to stir up trouble, this does not reflect well on the citizens of the United States nor is it good for the national psyche.
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@tyndall
Totally agree. You have a valid point.
But I don't see it as "national hysteria" -- as much as I see it as 'national misinformation'......Which is equally disturbing, and a part of the same problem.
Totally agree. You have a valid point.
But I don't see it as "national hysteria" -- as much as I see it as 'national misinformation'......Which is equally disturbing, and a part of the same problem.
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Roughly half of America, we are her "Deplorables."We will be happy to climb out of the basket to express ourselves whenever needed most. Hillary can count on us, we are her's all the way and ain't no ways tired.
I tend to agree with you. But . . .
There are 4500 comments only because the NYTimes left this thread open much longer than is their customary practice. Also, they seem to be exercising less censorship than usual--most of my conservative comments got through, which never happens.
Those who called attention to Mrs. Clinton's health issues were earlier told by the MSM that they were crazy conspirators. It is natural for them to want to vent, to say "I told you so" to the NYTimes that so disrespected them.
The die-hard Clintonistas can always be counted on to emerge in great numbers in her defense.
If we had an honest news media, maybe things would be different.
There are 4500 comments only because the NYTimes left this thread open much longer than is their customary practice. Also, they seem to be exercising less censorship than usual--most of my conservative comments got through, which never happens.
Those who called attention to Mrs. Clinton's health issues were earlier told by the MSM that they were crazy conspirators. It is natural for them to want to vent, to say "I told you so" to the NYTimes that so disrespected them.
The die-hard Clintonistas can always be counted on to emerge in great numbers in her defense.
If we had an honest news media, maybe things would be different.
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The Times is lining up with the rest of the mainstream, disinformation press by lying to it's readers about what is obviously not pneumonia. She has been having these problems for a long time and eventually, if not sooner, details will emerge but it doesn't look like it will be from the mainstream media. Having pneumonia is not a reason for dropping out of the race and if it was in fact pneumonia it would have been diagnoses long ago. It is so ridiculous it is not even worth wasting time and space here. We have seen the long reach of the Clinton crime syndicate. Jill Stein was seriously edited by Public Television, A popular TV doctor was fired after disclosing the truth about Clinton's Health, etc. The Clintons are a political mafia responsible for over a million deaths and whatever is happening here is her Karma for what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders. To add insult to injury the DNC, shamed for what they did to Sanders' campaign, will now further their corruption by installing Biden who didn't even run. How can this be? We are witnessing a dictatorship of the corporatists who have no place to hide anymore. It could have been a nice world without the United States !!
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Would be delighted to see either Biden or Bernie replace Clinton. Democratic Party rules allows the party hierarchy to make the pick without a new convention, although a second convention is also permitted.
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This is the same thinking that Jerry Falwell used to blame 9-11 on gay folks. Not a worthy argument.
I usually don't stray into political forums, but all the pieces aren't adding up. Agree with posts that not a single person or HRC had a water bottle of any kind - if she was sick with pnemonia I can't see how she wouldn't. NY Rep King said she looked fine at 8:30. Then People publishes this:
The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned.
“Everyone’s been sick,” a campaign source tells PEOPLE.
At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE.
So if HRC campaign HQ was an infirmary for the last two+ weeks, word wasn't going around in the campaign itself of all the illness? Wouldn't it be obvious to the staffers? Why the need to email them and include the doctors note like this article states? HRC starting taking anti-biotics on Friday, yet within 24 hours she was at a fundraiser and held meetings Saturday while still contagious? It can sometimes take 48 hours to get by the contagious window, in which case she may have still been contagious Sunday morning around 1000's of people? IDK, things are still not adding up. Feels like a lot of spin is still going on with more to come.
The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned.
“Everyone’s been sick,” a campaign source tells PEOPLE.
At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE.
So if HRC campaign HQ was an infirmary for the last two+ weeks, word wasn't going around in the campaign itself of all the illness? Wouldn't it be obvious to the staffers? Why the need to email them and include the doctors note like this article states? HRC starting taking anti-biotics on Friday, yet within 24 hours she was at a fundraiser and held meetings Saturday while still contagious? It can sometimes take 48 hours to get by the contagious window, in which case she may have still been contagious Sunday morning around 1000's of people? IDK, things are still not adding up. Feels like a lot of spin is still going on with more to come.
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by being consistently opaque,by spinning the news and telling half truths, the Clinton campaign makes her enemies' speculation plausible and it annoys the rest of us. Otherwise healthy people don't usually just "get pneumonia", especially not in the summer. Maybe there's an underlying condition and maybe there isn't but stonewalling gives rumors credence.
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Personal health, medical privacy and political sympathies aside, isn't it time to begin thinking the unthinkable? What is the process for replacing a presidential nominee who becomes critically ill, physically disabled or otherwise unable to complete a candidacy to election? Surely someone in authority is exploring the steps and how it would work. Does the vp nominee step up to become the presidential candidate, or does that go to the second place finisher at the nominating convention? Or is there another provision in law for candidate succession? People should know how this is supposed to work before it becomes an intraparty dispute after the fact. ##
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The Executive Board of the Democratic Party elected at the Democratic National Convention by the National Delegates would replace the nominee if they die before the election with a candidate of their choosing. The VP takes the oath of Office of President if it is after the election. However, the Electoral College ultimately decides.
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It is solely up to the DNC to decide on her replacement. They can weigh the factors you suggest. Early betting, however, is that they will go for Biden. He's one of them, and he scores very well against Trump.
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I hope she gets better soon.
This is just what people deal with - the doctor says to rest, and it is nearly impossible until we have a slip-up.
At least she has permission from the public to take it easy for a little bit.
This is just what people deal with - the doctor says to rest, and it is nearly impossible until we have a slip-up.
At least she has permission from the public to take it easy for a little bit.
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Does anyone remember how Ronald Reagan developed Alzheimer's? That's why Nancy guarded him like a hawk, and finished his sentences for him. Now THAT'S an incapacitating illness.
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Sure it did. And that's what's caused her to fold up like a wet napkin getting in and out of cars and planes and trying to get up and down stairs without help. Keep on trying to cover for her failing health. It isn't working. Her health is failing faster than you folks can come up with excuses.
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So ? She's still a far better candidate.
Rooting for Hitler over FDR is Unamerican.
Rooting for Hitler over FDR is Unamerican.
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After reading these comments, I am amazed at the sheer amount of ill-will out there....Is this really what we've come to as Americans???
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N.: For my part, I'm a little disappointed by your broad brush. Seems to me that NYT readers who comment generally demonstrate impressive discernment. No one here has any ill will toward you, for example. Why would they? You haven't lied to us, or deceived us. But Hillary and her handlers have, over and over. So, sure, let them ill-will winds blow. She is reaping what she has sown, and the fact it is happening is in no way an indictment of Americans as a whole.
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Hillary and her campaign have been lying about her health. Only a tribal ''progressive'' would endorse or excuse this behavior.
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Dear N.Smith:
Apparently so. I turned on Right Wing Hate radio today just to hear how Hillary's malady would be spun. Well, leave it to the Deplorables to set things Right, extreme Right.
The spin meisters were once again at it. They never let up. The bashing of Hillary no matter what happened yesterday continued unabated. Hate knows no bounds. Deplorable? You're darned right, Hillary, deplorable indeed.
DD
Manhattan
Apparently so. I turned on Right Wing Hate radio today just to hear how Hillary's malady would be spun. Well, leave it to the Deplorables to set things Right, extreme Right.
The spin meisters were once again at it. They never let up. The bashing of Hillary no matter what happened yesterday continued unabated. Hate knows no bounds. Deplorable? You're darned right, Hillary, deplorable indeed.
DD
Manhattan
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They are telling lies about it, saying she was dehydrated, anything to confuse the issue. The fact is, she has pneumonia and belongs in a hospital. Her lungs are blocked with fluid. She's not getting enough oxygen.
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Did you read the article? I think not, because it states in the very first sentence,
"Hillary Clinton is being treated for pneumonia and dehydration, her doctor said on Sunday." Pretty straightforward, not confusing at all, and completely treatable.
"Hillary Clinton is being treated for pneumonia and dehydration, her doctor said on Sunday." Pretty straightforward, not confusing at all, and completely treatable.
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I reviewed the video. What happened to Hillary was a common faint. This occurs when the vasovagal reflex is triggered, usually by prolonged standing in hot weather. Concurrent illness can certainly promote this event, but it also happens to military academy students standing at attention on the parade ground at spring graduation. If in fact she has pneumonia (a very tricky, Wizard of Oz diagnosis unless it is florid), that might contribute. She may have been volume depleted for a number of reasons, too. Glad she didn't fall and hurt herself.
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Not so. The reflex you cite would not produce the kind of ''faint'' seen on the video. Someone needs to commit some journalism and investigate neurological disease and heart disease.
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So very sorry to have to disagree. I have seen this pattern many times, and this is classic. I did heat stress research for a decade, and this sort of thing happens all the time.
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I wish Hillary well; I just don't wish her into my country's White House. Four years of corruption and health issues is just too much for a country at a crossroads right now.
I have one question however.
According to experts, only pneumonia caused by toxic chemicals is not contagious. All others ARE contagious to some degree. An individual with pneumonia is always counseled to remain away from the elderly or children in particular, and to wear a mask if around others.
Yesterday was bizarre that I am having trouble fathoming it all. At one of our most important national commemorations Hillary Clinton clearly collapsed, on an 83F day with a light refreshing breeze of 8PMH according to Accuweather. No other individual in the crowd was reported as suffering from dehydration. Mrs. Clinton was also seen with a water bottle while observing the ceremony.
Most puzzling: How could she go to an apartment with two small children in it if she had pneumonia? Why?
Or hug a small child two hours later outside Chelsea's apartment if she had walking (contagious) pneumonia? Or even earlier, be around bystanders at the Memorial?
I can imagine she did not want to raise any more doubts about her health so moved heaven and earth to get to the Memorial. But things don't match up.
I have one question however.
According to experts, only pneumonia caused by toxic chemicals is not contagious. All others ARE contagious to some degree. An individual with pneumonia is always counseled to remain away from the elderly or children in particular, and to wear a mask if around others.
Yesterday was bizarre that I am having trouble fathoming it all. At one of our most important national commemorations Hillary Clinton clearly collapsed, on an 83F day with a light refreshing breeze of 8PMH according to Accuweather. No other individual in the crowd was reported as suffering from dehydration. Mrs. Clinton was also seen with a water bottle while observing the ceremony.
Most puzzling: How could she go to an apartment with two small children in it if she had pneumonia? Why?
Or hug a small child two hours later outside Chelsea's apartment if she had walking (contagious) pneumonia? Or even earlier, be around bystanders at the Memorial?
I can imagine she did not want to raise any more doubts about her health so moved heaven and earth to get to the Memorial. But things don't match up.
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She doesn't have pneumonia. It doesn't add up. She has a chronic condition. Maybe as little as vasovagal syndrome or as serious as selective brain damage, stroke, seizures. This whole thing smells. Something is rotten in that Denmark of which we are not, according to Clinton.
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The “deplorables” is an attempt to insert a cultural dividing line between lower class and middle class.
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No. It's an attempt to separate the bigots from the rest of us.
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She will wind up giving the Dems a weak end, at Bernie's expense. Unless of course some changes are made.
Bernie, come down off Hero Island and take charge. The party that resents you for making them look so bad needs you bad, brother. Give this a few more news cycles and I'll bet Hill's slot is yours for the asking. And you will win pulling away.
Bernie, come down off Hero Island and take charge. The party that resents you for making them look so bad needs you bad, brother. Give this a few more news cycles and I'll bet Hill's slot is yours for the asking. And you will win pulling away.
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You seem to forget that Bernie wasn't a Democrat --- And the party recognized that as well as its voters.
Too late now.
Too late now.
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Bernie ran as a Democrat and has stated that he has joined the Democratic Party. He has caucused with the Democrats for decades and raised funds with the Democrats for years,
We'd be fortunate to have Bernie or Biden atop the Democratic ticket.
We'd be fortunate to have Bernie or Biden atop the Democratic ticket.
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You know the expression: Use it or lose it.
Well, I'm convinced that Hillary Clinton and her entourage haven't told the truth in so long, they've lost the ability to do it.
For them lying about everything -- big or small --has become reflexive.
Well, I'm convinced that Hillary Clinton and her entourage haven't told the truth in so long, they've lost the ability to do it.
For them lying about everything -- big or small --has become reflexive.
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Whenever some celebrity or prominent person has a full time doctor attending to them, I think it may be improper medicine waiting to happen. This is medicine with little or no peer review. Patient's wishes may be accommodated outside normal medical guidelines, and no one would be the wiser. Doctors may agree to do things they would never agree to do in a more open situation with the participation of other medical professionals.
I am thinking of Michael Jackson, who was able to convince his private physician to use an anesthetic as a sleep aid. And we know how that turned out.
I am thinking of Michael Jackson, who was able to convince his private physician to use an anesthetic as a sleep aid. And we know how that turned out.
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How do you know that Dr. Barack is Secretary Clinton's "full time physician"? Could you conceive of the possibility that perhaps the good Dr. has other patients as well?
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This isn't true. The doctor has a full time practice at Mt. Sinai, I believe, as director of internal medicine and is highly regarded.
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As Tim Kaine said Hillary will be transparent that's why it took a video taken ;not by the Pro Clinton press, but by a bystander; to force the release of the fact that she was diagnosed with an infection Friday. The mainstream media spent yesterday shilling for the Clinton team. Deplorable behavior from a once honest party.
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HRC had an episode she now calls 'a concussion without lasting effect' but at the time it was stated she had a cerebral venous thrombosis, and needed six months of rehab (per Bill) as well as prisms to resolve visual problems caused by it, and chronic anticoagulation to prevent its recurrence.
When she has a cough it is from 'allergies' though we are told later she has pneumonia, which was used as a cover for whatever actually caused her to lose consciousness in public and which she calls 'stumbling'.
We all have illnesses, trivial and not. I don't know that her illnesses will compromise her ability to perform as President, but her inability to tell the truth about it makes me wonder.
When she has a cough it is from 'allergies' though we are told later she has pneumonia, which was used as a cover for whatever actually caused her to lose consciousness in public and which she calls 'stumbling'.
We all have illnesses, trivial and not. I don't know that her illnesses will compromise her ability to perform as President, but her inability to tell the truth about it makes me wonder.
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Maybe her staff should have taken her to a hospital instead of her daughter's apartment after she nearly fainted at the ceremony.
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I see that it is a toasty 67F in Gotham today, but cooler than yesterday's stifling 77F. What are all the locals doing to beat the heat? Would it be prudent for the Times to post lists of air conditioned community centers? Too provincial now that there are both NY and California daily briefings on the front page of the website?
I won't hold my breath for the Des Moines briefing's appearance.
I won't hold my breath for the Des Moines briefing's appearance.
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I suspect she was afraid there would be another Muslim terrorist attack on the 15th anniversary, as their way of celebrating, and decided to feign illness as an excuse to leave the area.
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Why is it becoming important for Hillary to release her medical records with no corresponding pressure for Trump to release his tax records? Why are there more expectations on her than on him?
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Karen: Because she actually collapsed in public, in front of our very eyes. Not a stumble, not a loss of balance--a total collapse. We know what the campaign is telling us about it now. We don't necessarily know the truth.
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Trump is in the middle of a audit.
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Regarding your first question, because she passed out in 75 degree weather yesterday. Regarding your second question, also because she passed out in 75 degree weather yesterday.
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An absolute train wreck of a candidate. She may do the impossible, lose to Donald Trump.
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You do remember that Trump has already effectively lost the support of every part of the electorate he has seen fit to insult, don't you???
Odd are definitely against him.
Odd are definitely against him.
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One year to the day Joe Biden had a touching viral moment on Stephen Colbert's show. I remain convinced Biden has been warming up in the bullpen because all of D.C. knows Hillary is ill and he may be called in for the close.
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TB--Except he hasn't won any primaries and has not been nominated by the party.
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He best tread lightly. Despite how we have grown to believe he doesn't know any better, he does know that the exact same thing could happen to him between now and November. And wouldn't he look like the fool we've always known he is when it does!
But his apparent health issues will likely be far more insidious. You know the kind.....the kind that only the psychiatric DSM manual will reveal.
But his apparent health issues will likely be far more insidious. You know the kind.....the kind that only the psychiatric DSM manual will reveal.
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She had a seizure. So what. Whatever her condition is it seems to be well controlled by medication. It is perfectly obvious this is a routine occurrence or the van would have headed directly to the hospital.
This disqualifies Mrs. Clinton from nothing.
This disqualifies Mrs. Clinton from nothing.
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But she does and says stupid things.
Since forever.
There's no cure but retirement.
Followed by indictment.
Since forever.
There's no cure but retirement.
Followed by indictment.
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Yeah, seizures are totally normal...
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@rex
Small glitsch there -- In this country one must first be found guilty before being indicted.
Guess what?? ...she hasn't.
Small glitsch there -- In this country one must first be found guilty before being indicted.
Guess what?? ...she hasn't.
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I've gone down once in my life like this where my knees buckled and legs gave out right under me. I hit the floor and was passed out cold. It was related to a medication - a dopamine agonist. Does she take one for the blood clot she had in her head in 2013? If so, the pneumonia story would be a lie and this really needs to be looked at as it is a strong med, has side effects and can be difficult to get dosage correct. I wish her well but am concerned for her health.
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There is a long and infamous tradition of treating women as if we were inherently sick. In the Victorian age, the normal function of the female body - menstruation, sexual arousal and pregnancy - were treated as pathologies in need of medical cure. Victorian attitudes are apparently alive and well in the USA where Clinton's body is subjected to a scrutiny that no male candidate, no matter how sick and unfit, would have to undergo. Shame on America for recycling misogynist rubbish in lieu of a serious political discussion.
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She literally collapsed and was extremely wobbly and shaky. Stop using a gender card. This has literally nothing to do with her gender. If Trump, Obama, Bush, et al had collapsed and acted the way she did, it would be an issue. In fact it was, the media paid close attention to both Bush's ailments at the time they happened.
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Thank you! This is a very obvious part of the recent Trump conspiracy about Hillary Clinton's health which has led to an avalanche of ridiculous diagnoses online. It is no wonder that she wanted to have a couple of days to recover and also to attend a ceremony that was probably deeply meaningful to her.
Add to what you said, the fainting couch, vapors, hysteria, and treatments that resulted in shipping women off to hospitals (on the husband's word) where she might be subject to an operation against her will such as a hysterectomy to end so-called hysteria.
The media has once again been complicit, and treated the two candidates differently. There are calls for Hillary Clinton's complete medical records, but Trump has not released his.
Where are the editorials calling for Trump to release his tax records given his ties with the Russians and Chinese? Only the Wall Street Journal has called for this release but other newspapers such as the Boston Globe and New York Times call for the Clintons to end their association (permanently) with their foundation due to the bad optics, not to any wrongdoing even though it is an A rated public charity that disburses 88% of its funding on its causes, and helps millions of people.
Trump spent years calling for the release of Obama's birth certificate and grade transcripts. Where are his? He never donated $5 million to charity as he had pledged when the president did release his birth certificate.
This is asymmetrical and biased.
Add to what you said, the fainting couch, vapors, hysteria, and treatments that resulted in shipping women off to hospitals (on the husband's word) where she might be subject to an operation against her will such as a hysterectomy to end so-called hysteria.
The media has once again been complicit, and treated the two candidates differently. There are calls for Hillary Clinton's complete medical records, but Trump has not released his.
Where are the editorials calling for Trump to release his tax records given his ties with the Russians and Chinese? Only the Wall Street Journal has called for this release but other newspapers such as the Boston Globe and New York Times call for the Clintons to end their association (permanently) with their foundation due to the bad optics, not to any wrongdoing even though it is an A rated public charity that disburses 88% of its funding on its causes, and helps millions of people.
Trump spent years calling for the release of Obama's birth certificate and grade transcripts. Where are his? He never donated $5 million to charity as he had pledged when the president did release his birth certificate.
This is asymmetrical and biased.
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@bubble
You should know by now that everything in America is largely predicated upon either race, gender, religion, or income -- and the presidential election is no exception.
You should know by now that everything in America is largely predicated upon either race, gender, religion, or income -- and the presidential election is no exception.
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Thank you, David Axelrod, for speaking the truth about Clinton's near paranoic obsession with secrecy, a truth well known in DC, and that has even been acknowledged by those closest to her.
Her insistence on secrecy blew up a shot at health care reform during Bill's presidency (and well beyond) and led to her conducting state business on unsecure phones and servers for years, to list just two of the most obvious and egregious consequences of this very worrisome predilection of hers.
Mix that insistence upon secrecy with her self-pity and self righteousness, toss in her belief she's a victim of a decades long, faceless, nameless "far -right conspiracy," and what you have is .....a reiteration of Nixon.
No thank you.
Her insistence on secrecy blew up a shot at health care reform during Bill's presidency (and well beyond) and led to her conducting state business on unsecure phones and servers for years, to list just two of the most obvious and egregious consequences of this very worrisome predilection of hers.
Mix that insistence upon secrecy with her self-pity and self righteousness, toss in her belief she's a victim of a decades long, faceless, nameless "far -right conspiracy," and what you have is .....a reiteration of Nixon.
No thank you.
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I've had pneumonia and am about 10 years younger than HRC. It happens even to children who are healthy. It typically resolves quite well. It's no wonder given how much flying and how many people HRC has met and the sheer amount of germs to which she's been exposed. I'd rather have HRC in a coma as our president (with Tim Kaine as VP), than Trump or Pence any time! Get better soon Hillary!
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Due to the infectious nature of bacterial and viral pathogens and potential ease of transmission, one might ask (news reporters, anyone?) who else became ill within Mrs. Clinton's contacts. This is basic public health and should be done, at the very least, to protect the health of both candidates. As a bright elementary student knows, germs are very small, and as can be easily transmitted, either unwittingly, or through intent.
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apparently much of her staff has caught it.
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I'd rather see Drumpf's tax returns and a full psych eval/analysis of him...
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Anyone can get pneumonia. It is not an indicator of general health. That she was still standing at all is pretty amazing.
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Your headline is misleading. she didn't lose her balance; she remained erect, but she could not step forward, she could not walk, her people dragged her into the van. Her head did not fall, it remained erect, indicating that she had not fainted. If she didn't faint, and she didn't lose her balance, what happened? It appears that she was frozen.
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In reply to Scoter:
You are one of the truly observant people in this deluge of comments - It could have been a Parkinson's freeze - I wrote a comment last evening which also theorized that Hillary may have a form of epilepsy. - After the "diagnosis of pneumonia" (?) I viewed several videos of Hillary in stiff seizure like positions - while being virtually lifted like an angled wooden doll up steps or stairs.
Eventually the truth will win out - we are not in the days of FDR, Woodrow Wilson or Churchill . The huge problem for the USA is that there is no other rational or knowledgeable US presidential candidate .
Please see my original comment.
MLMJ A former New Yorker
You are one of the truly observant people in this deluge of comments - It could have been a Parkinson's freeze - I wrote a comment last evening which also theorized that Hillary may have a form of epilepsy. - After the "diagnosis of pneumonia" (?) I viewed several videos of Hillary in stiff seizure like positions - while being virtually lifted like an angled wooden doll up steps or stairs.
Eventually the truth will win out - we are not in the days of FDR, Woodrow Wilson or Churchill . The huge problem for the USA is that there is no other rational or knowledgeable US presidential candidate .
Please see my original comment.
MLMJ A former New Yorker
I agree that Clinton's head remained erect as she collapsed, but am not competent to speculate on or diagnose the cause.
Hillary exposed her two very young children to pneumonia by going to Chelsea's and not a hospital, assuming she really has that
I think all those deleted emails may have a lot to do with her health, diagnoses, etc.
I think all those deleted emails may have a lot to do with her health, diagnoses, etc.
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When you were in Chelsea's apartment at the time, how did her children look?
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You shake a gazillion hands for a year and see if you don't get sick. Let's not forget President Bush barfing all over the Japanese prime minister's shoes at a state dinner. Politicians and presidents are in a germ pool all the time, and especially when traveling and campaigning. They get sick. You would too.
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Please, editors, no more Times Picks of "physicians" spouting armchair diagnosis.
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If she has exhaustion issues why does she wear bulky pant suits and sweaters in 80 90 and 100 degree heat? What are the long jackets concealing? It's all bizarre.
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What is Trump concealing under his suit. He never ever takes off his jacket.
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Putin. Trump is concealing Putin under his coat.
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On the issue of Mrs, Clinton's concussion, the question that should be asked is what caused her to fall to begin with?
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She was sick with a gastrointestinal illness during her travels and was dehydrated, then fainted. No conspiracy here. Happened to my very healthy spouse who went on to gash his forehead during the fall, to boot.
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This makes me HOPE those that were thinking of not voting get out there and vote for HRC.There are gazillions of women worldwide that daily face a medical sitch who say to themselves.."non starter,telling nobody,up and at em,let's go girl" and whatever would the world do w/o them?HRC the only thing bet. us and demise from the ORANGE PLAGUE.Even more than before for HRC.
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Once again, the Clinton campaign and her ilk fail to tell the truth from the get go. How can anyone trust this woman to run a country?
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Because delivering the country to a thin-skinned racist demgogue would be so much better, right???
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Americans trusted Cheney to run a country into the ground with tax cuts for his buddies, and a war against the country not responsible for 9/11. Americans trusted Bush and Cheney when they grounded all flights except for those flying Saudis out of Florida airports. Obama had to dig us out of that deep hole. Hopefully, there are not enough Americans who trust Trump to put a middle school drop out into the White House.
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I have very little doubt that the world will be a better place with Hillary as President instead of Trump. That said I have great concern about Hillary's judgement and I started getting the flu and pneumonia vaccines before it was determined that the pneumonia vaccine might immunize for a lifetime. Twenty years seems a long time to procrastinate or are we missing something? I'll bet the farm the Obama's and Sanderses are vaccinated.
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Where did you get the idea she has not been vaccinated?
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There is no pneumonia vaccine which protects against all forms of the illness. I got the best shot available and got a form of pneumonia not covered by the shot. Germs mutate, and viral illnesses mutate. Viral pneumonia is treatable with antibiotics and bed rest. If she takes medication and rests, she will be fine. I am older than Hillary Clinton, and I recovered completely.
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There is viral pneumonia. The vaccine only prevents the viral kind. Antibiotics are the only response for the bacteria kind.
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A character in the old Dick Tracy comic strip, called B.O. Plenty, was always drawn with a swarm of flies surrounding his head. If Hillary were to be accurately depicted in such a medium, it would be with a cloud of impenetrable lies orbiting her noggin. Her latest fantastic fib asks us to believe she has pneumonia and not the serious, career-sinking ailment it really is.
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Don't forget Joe Bfltspk (sp?) from Li'l Abner. If I remember correctly, he always had a thunderstorm going on over his head.
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We don't even have to imagine the candy floss orbiting Trumps's head. It symbolises a nutrient-free campaign. Bad for the brain but oh-so-addictive.
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Hope she gets better soon and it's not as serious as I fear. She is 69 years old and congestive heart failure brought on by pneumonia does take the lives of many people her age. I lost many family members to thsee symptoms .
Politically was Kaine a wise decision ? He seems to have the same character as Humphrey, McGovern and Dukakis. Good men but not what Americans look for in a President.
To bad this couldn't have happened after the election.
Politically was Kaine a wise decision ? He seems to have the same character as Humphrey, McGovern and Dukakis. Good men but not what Americans look for in a President.
To bad this couldn't have happened after the election.
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I'm not aware that Trump has said anything about this (other than to wish her a speedy recovery):
"And little Donny Trump and his media gang use it to attack her."
Are you referring to something I've missed?
"And little Donny Trump and his media gang use it to attack her."
Are you referring to something I've missed?
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I am supporting Hillary but in truth I have often said to myself, both she and Trump look exceedingly fatigued and unhealthy, of course it is a long slog this political season. Bernie Sanders looks healthier and more energized than the both of them. If Hillary of Trump gets gravely ill, we need to examine their VP choices more closely. I, for one, think Tim Kaine is a brilliant choice and would actually make as good of a President as Hillary Clinton. The other guy, well, not so much.
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Bernie Sanders is laying back and enjoying his contributions while trying to remain somehow relevant -- that's quite different from flying around the country, dealing with kazillions of people and dodging attacks form the social media and the press.
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You are right about Pence, but please don't let him back into Indiana....
Of the four running for POTUS of VPOTUS, Tim Kaine is the least offensive and most palatable. Just saying.....
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Mrs. Clinton has health care. How would the average person coped under Trump's plan to repeal the ACA? What would you have us do Mr. Trump? What is your plan Mr. Trump?
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Clinton is not fit to serve as president because of her record of prevarication, deceitfulness, and bad judgement. Her illness may be treatable, but her flaws of character are inveterate. It is, however, an ill wind that blows no good. Let us hope for a resignation and and an honest substitute such as Joe Biden.
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You sound like judge, jury, and executioner -- But the only problem is, there are a lot of other Americans out there who don't agree with you.
Plus, we still haven't seen Trump's income tax...and Joe isn't in this dog race.
Plus, we still haven't seen Trump's income tax...and Joe isn't in this dog race.
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Things like this constitute a great deal of why, regardless of a life of public service, high intelligence, wonderful education, and spectacular experience, I was hoping Hillary wouldn't be the nominee. Clinton derangement syndrome or (based on BHO's experience), non-Republican derangement syndrome, has helped make her the kind of candidate she is (and understandably so), but that doesn't change the reality of the syndrome. A vast majority of the repubs will dog her about anything and everything unrelentingly, no matter how insignificant, ridiculous, ancient, or truly unrelated, that I was afraid her candidacy might be doomed from the start. At this point all I can say is, in the words of the great MLK, "keep hope alive"...
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There may well be a double standard, but not this time:
"There is always a double standard when it comes to women in the work force."
If a video showed Trump leaving a 9/11 ceremony early and being lifted into a vehicle as Clinton was, most people would find that just as important. Maybe there's sexism in this campaign, but you weaken that argument by suggesting this was an example of it.
"There is always a double standard when it comes to women in the work force."
If a video showed Trump leaving a 9/11 ceremony early and being lifted into a vehicle as Clinton was, most people would find that just as important. Maybe there's sexism in this campaign, but you weaken that argument by suggesting this was an example of it.
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Clinton's pneumonia is getting as much press attention as Trump's bromance with Putin.
Well, she owns part of this because of her secretiveness.
But, give credit where credit is due. The right knows how to sow and nurture the seeds of doubt.
And, finally there is the media that is more interested in the horse race than anything else.
Well, she owns part of this because of her secretiveness.
But, give credit where credit is due. The right knows how to sow and nurture the seeds of doubt.
And, finally there is the media that is more interested in the horse race than anything else.
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if this was a simple sickness that would have said something on friday. This is a coverup of something larger
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Do you think she was poisoned ?
I see that a large number of Trump's supporters are going off about this or that medical and scientific condition, claiming to have this or that expertise that they obviously don't have.
Folks, don't do that. When you go off about TIAs (no, they aren't early signs of a stroke; no, they don't mean your whole head has "lost blood"), or how Hillary "infected," everybody around her, or how "pneumonia starts with bronchitis," or how "any competent doctor would have rushed her to the ER," and the rest of this stuff--well, you sound like idiots. Or worse, you sound like you're parroting whatever was on Rush this morning when you drove to work.
Some of you are nuts, and there's no reasonable discussion possible. You're nuts. But a lot of you just have legit political disagreements, or legit concerns, or even legit angers. Why not just air them, and skip this phantasmagoria?
Why not just talk about what you really know, and stop yelling?
Honestly, you'd get listened to. Us libs and commies might disagree, even loudly, but so what?
Try just being honest, okay? A little civility'd be nice, too.
Folks, don't do that. When you go off about TIAs (no, they aren't early signs of a stroke; no, they don't mean your whole head has "lost blood"), or how Hillary "infected," everybody around her, or how "pneumonia starts with bronchitis," or how "any competent doctor would have rushed her to the ER," and the rest of this stuff--well, you sound like idiots. Or worse, you sound like you're parroting whatever was on Rush this morning when you drove to work.
Some of you are nuts, and there's no reasonable discussion possible. You're nuts. But a lot of you just have legit political disagreements, or legit concerns, or even legit angers. Why not just air them, and skip this phantasmagoria?
Why not just talk about what you really know, and stop yelling?
Honestly, you'd get listened to. Us libs and commies might disagree, even loudly, but so what?
Try just being honest, okay? A little civility'd be nice, too.
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you can't be serious. there hasn't been an example of liberal civility in years.
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I'm a lib, dislike Clinton for president, and don't believe a word of this pneumonia malarky. I'm content to let Kaine take office if Clinton can make it to the White House. Four years till we get another shot at a real vote.
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I'm not surprised by her health problems. Being a pathological liar takes a toll upon a person, especially so when her lies have been exposed to the world. I have no doubt even her supporters know she's a pathological liar. What they should be thinking about, however, are her complete lack of ethical and moral standards. This woman will say and do anything to get elected.
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I watched the Clinton appearance when she experienced coughing episodes. I had also noticed several other people in the audience coughing and thought they're all experiencing allery problems. Only Mrs. Clinton was noted but there were others in the video who experienced what appeared to be the same symptoms.
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Well, to be fair--many of the "neurological symptoms" fellow commenters put forward are also symptoms of insincerity and an inability to think on one's feet. That wide-eyed Bride of Frankenstein acknowledgement of people in the audience; that searching for the appropriate scripted response--that's just Hillary being herself.
But for a legitimate news organization like the NY Times to describe a collapse as "unsteadiness" or "a stumble" is just laughable. She dropped like a sack of potatoes and her security detail had to catch her.
Why did she seem so chipper after emerging from Chelsea's building? Well, she could have received any of a number of emergency treatments right there in her daughter's apt. A medical professional could have given her IV fluids, as the simplest, fastest remedy for dehydration. Or could have administered all sorts of much more powerful revivers.
We're not likely to find out the truth of this one. But everyone's on the scent now. What will the next episode be?
But for a legitimate news organization like the NY Times to describe a collapse as "unsteadiness" or "a stumble" is just laughable. She dropped like a sack of potatoes and her security detail had to catch her.
Why did she seem so chipper after emerging from Chelsea's building? Well, she could have received any of a number of emergency treatments right there in her daughter's apt. A medical professional could have given her IV fluids, as the simplest, fastest remedy for dehydration. Or could have administered all sorts of much more powerful revivers.
We're not likely to find out the truth of this one. But everyone's on the scent now. What will the next episode be?
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Not, fastest and cheapest remedy was if she drank a couple of liters of fluid.
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As far as the "basket of deplorables" goes, read Charles Blow's article in today's New York Times, entitled "About the Basket of Deplorables." He states, and I quote "What Clinton said was impolitic, but it was not incorrect... Donald Trump is a deplorable candidate — to put it charitably — and anyone who helps him advance his racial, religious and ethnic bigotry is part of that bigotry. Period. Anyone who elevates a sexist is part of that sexism. The same goes for xenophobia. You can’t conveniently separate yourself from the detestable part of him because you sense in him the promise of cultural or economic advantage. That hair cannot be split."
"It doesn’t matter how lovely your family, how honorable your work or service, how devout your faith — if you place ideological adherence or economic self interest above the moral imperative to condemn and denounce a demagogue, then you are deplorable."
If you read his article look at his statistics about Trump's followers. You may be amazed at the number of racist attitudes among them.
"It doesn’t matter how lovely your family, how honorable your work or service, how devout your faith — if you place ideological adherence or economic self interest above the moral imperative to condemn and denounce a demagogue, then you are deplorable."
If you read his article look at his statistics about Trump's followers. You may be amazed at the number of racist attitudes among them.
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70 year Donald Trump says nothing about his health and releases a one page ridiculous doctor's statement. But you can't say much about nothing hence not much said by the press. 68 year old Hillary Clinton, not known for being all that transparent, tells us quite a bit about her health and all this does is stimulate the press to ask for more and raise questions based only on speculation and give credence to the right wing's suggestion that she is too unhealthy to be president. And you wonder why HRC doesn't want to talk to the press.
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Truly I wish her no harm.
But this incident at best brings her judgment into question one more time. If she was ill enough to collapse in temperature in the 70s with humidity, she should have been taking care of herself indoors.
She could contribute to America in some capacity, promoting her real interests such as women's and children's issues, some good work for the foundation.
But it seems she wants to be President only, even if it kills her.
But this incident at best brings her judgment into question one more time. If she was ill enough to collapse in temperature in the 70s with humidity, she should have been taking care of herself indoors.
She could contribute to America in some capacity, promoting her real interests such as women's and children's issues, some good work for the foundation.
But it seems she wants to be President only, even if it kills her.
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Usually, whenever a comment begins with something like: "Truly I wish her no harm" -- it's only a matter of a few words before the boom drops.
And this one didn't disappoint.
And this one didn't disappoint.
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With the polls dropping, and Hillary's not being able to campaign as much as seems necessary, this is likely to be the final push that will get Trump elected. The fact that he is a mental case does not seem to bother anyone. If she does not have the capacity to run a full campaign, she should step aside and ask Joe Biden to run, who is the only Democrat who could now beat Trump. (I know, dream on.) It would be a far, far better thing to do than she has ever done.
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Nor does the fact that she's a venal, corrupt criminal seem to bother anyone on the other side, so we're all even.
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I'd love to see Biden in a debate with Trump when he tells him he's full of malarkey.
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Pneumonia a commonly treated problem in primary care and there is no need for a 68 yr Mrs. Clinton to reveal further personal medical information because of this diagnosis. Assuming here chest xray returns to normal in the next few wks, she requires no further evaluation and does not need to see a lung specialist or show any more of her medical records. I have had patients ages 20-90s with pneumonia over the past 12months who have recovered without incident and this is not a big deal. (She should have had the pneumonia vaccine at age 65 , but this only protects you from 23+ strains of pneumococcal pneumonia and there is PREVNAR which protects against another 13. There are lots of different organisms that cause pneumonia that the vaccine will not prevent)
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Thank you, Dr. Potts. I had the pneumonia vaccine available, and it did not protect me from a form of viral pneumonia contracted in a classroom from a sneezing and coughing student. My doctor treated me with antibiotics, and I went home to bed. The antibiotics were not prescribed to cure the viral pneumonia, but to prevent secondary possible infections in the airways. There is no 100% protection out there. No doubt Hillary Clinton has good medical care.
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Thank you for a no-nonsense medical perspective.
OK - time for detailed medical reports on both candidates - from one of our top hospitals. Blood pressure, weight, full blood work, heart and lung function, brain scans, cognitive and psychological tests, too - the works.
Plus, an explanation for why Trump insists on flying home to sleep every night - no matter where he is. How would he attend multi-day summits around the globe??! Something weird there. I mean, does he need to drink blood at night or something??
Then let's see.
Oh and let's not forget - Trump's tax returns. At least the last 5 years - although Ms. Clinton has released 20 years worth. Let's see what he's hiding there - a real horror show, I'll bet.
Plus, an explanation for why Trump insists on flying home to sleep every night - no matter where he is. How would he attend multi-day summits around the globe??! Something weird there. I mean, does he need to drink blood at night or something??
Then let's see.
Oh and let's not forget - Trump's tax returns. At least the last 5 years - although Ms. Clinton has released 20 years worth. Let's see what he's hiding there - a real horror show, I'll bet.
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He flies home to sleep because that's where the coffin filled with native earth that he sleeps in is located.
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since the enthusiastic crowd would want hillary for prez in any degree of vegetative state- can't you give her some slack if you love her so much as you claim-
or maybe for you it doesnt really matter who's the figure head as long as the people who have been running the dem show remain in power
or maybe for you it doesnt really matter who's the figure head as long as the people who have been running the dem show remain in power
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Where's the coverage about Ms. Clinton's staff and how several members of her staff have also contracted pneumonia, in some instances days before she displayed symptoms?
Ms. Clinton's illness in a communal feature, not an isolated example of poor health. The New York Times has failed in this reporting to give its readers the facts related to the event.
Ms. Clinton's illness in a communal feature, not an isolated example of poor health. The New York Times has failed in this reporting to give its readers the facts related to the event.
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typical pneumonia rarely occurs in clusters and if several of her staff were also diagnosed with pneumonia they need to be checked for legionella--legionaires disease--that can occur in contaminant water supplies and air conditioners.
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More likely, Clinton has a chronic condition unrelated to viral or bacterial pneumonia, which exhibits respiratory symptoms and seizures, and staff have been instructed that they all now have coughs and walking pneumonia, because Clinton must be elected at all costs, for the good of the free world.
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Even a president or presidential candidate is allowed to get sick. Pneumonia isn't deadly most of the time, unless you are elderly, immune compromised, or very young, and is curable. How many of us still try to function when we have something like pneumonia or bronchitis? I've had one or the other probably 5 times. We should be in bed resting, but many times we don't have the sick leave so force ourselves to work until our body forces us to stop and take care of it. Clinton is in the middle of a campaign for office, and has to push herself well or sick. I'm sure she forced herself when she really should have been resting and hydrating herself. This can happen to anyone, including Trump. They are just as human as the rest of us. Now if she had cancer, that would be a different story. But pneumonia? Please. Grasping at straws to call this a big health scare.
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Please do not frame your choices only as Trump v. Clinton. Bernie Sanders can still be installed as the nominee. He easily defeats Trump. It is time for the DNC to do some serious soul searching about their betrayal of the people's choice and the sham convention they held. HRC has serious ongoing health concerns, and the secrecy about them is itself a huge concern.
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Don't know how to say this but, he lost.
Face it.
Face it.
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Karen: Sanders lost partly due to the fact that his supporters did not register to vote in a Democratic Primary election. There was a deadline to register, and they missed it. There was no "rigged" convention; there were a bunch of kids who didn't have the discipline, or election smarts, to know they had to register to vote by a certain date. They walked in at the last minute and expected to nominate a Democratic Party nominee; they were uninformed about voting. And, later polling showed that Bernie would have lost the nomination in any case. Finally, when did Bernie join the Democratic Party? He was an Independent until he wasn't, at the last minute.
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Hmm... The one who lost but brought in huge numbers of independents, or the half dead one. There are several possible plan Bs: Kaine, Biden, and yes, Sanders.
Hang in there Hillary. Our nation's future depends on you.
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Well, that's great news!
"The WSJ just reported that Clinton will release medical info."
I sure hope she releases enough that nobody can fairly accuse her of trying to hide something. Trump has said he'll get a full physical this week and has instructed his doctors to publicize the result. Presumably Clinton will do the same. Then we voters will have a much fuller picture of both candidates' health.
"The WSJ just reported that Clinton will release medical info."
I sure hope she releases enough that nobody can fairly accuse her of trying to hide something. Trump has said he'll get a full physical this week and has instructed his doctors to publicize the result. Presumably Clinton will do the same. Then we voters will have a much fuller picture of both candidates' health.
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Hillary will need some time to recover. Thankfully, she has a deep bench: Kane, Obama, Biden. etc. Trump, on the other hand, is just the opposite: Pence, Giuliani, Christie. Hillary, please get well soon.
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Anyone who thinks this journalistic institution is fair and only goes after a candidate to expose the truth should remember Bill Keller withholding the information that the U.S. was spying on its own citizens until after the election in 2004.
The only time Clinton makes the front page is for emails, for illness, for the Clinton Foundation. Trump, on the other hand, can send out yet another inane tweet that is much like all the other inane tweets, and get one, maybe two front page columns, plus gushing op-eds about how misunderstood his followers are, and long defenses from the Paper on why that's appropriate, although issues-free, coverage of a national election in a democratic society.
This is the paper that tolerated a decade of Maureen Dowd's self-absorbed reflections on Bill Clinton's infidelity. Nothing the New York Times can do will convince any Clinton supporter that this coverage will ever approach fair.
Revenue is much more important than a first woman in the White House. And this paper has the gall to call others biased?
The only time Clinton makes the front page is for emails, for illness, for the Clinton Foundation. Trump, on the other hand, can send out yet another inane tweet that is much like all the other inane tweets, and get one, maybe two front page columns, plus gushing op-eds about how misunderstood his followers are, and long defenses from the Paper on why that's appropriate, although issues-free, coverage of a national election in a democratic society.
This is the paper that tolerated a decade of Maureen Dowd's self-absorbed reflections on Bill Clinton's infidelity. Nothing the New York Times can do will convince any Clinton supporter that this coverage will ever approach fair.
Revenue is much more important than a first woman in the White House. And this paper has the gall to call others biased?
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Women get sick too.
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Please rest and get well soon, Secretary Clinton!
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Clinton and Trump are entering age 70. It is vital that we focus on their vice presidential partners qualification. I feel Tim Kaine would make an excellent president in the event of Hillary Clinton not being able to finish her term.
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"The incident, which occurred after months of questions about her health from her Republican opponent, Donald J. Trump, and his campaign, is likely to increase pressure on Mrs. Clinton to address the issue and release detailed medical records, which she has so far declined to do."
Another INTENTIONAL incident of Mrs. Clinton conveniently not being forthcoming about the facts. Thats the real story here folks, not that she's sick, she hid the truth. AGAIN.
Another INTENTIONAL incident of Mrs. Clinton conveniently not being forthcoming about the facts. Thats the real story here folks, not that she's sick, she hid the truth. AGAIN.
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After making frivolous remarks about a certain coterie of Trump's voters, Hillary fortuitously falls sick. Then she apologizes, possibly, in a perfunctory manner. One would have expected Hillary to behave, especially when the polls are tightening. No. Not Hillary. Her flippancy and obstinacy will show up sporadically.
Trump is expected to tread on the paths of dissidence and dissonance, in a meshuga manner. His pronouncements will consist of a lot of renouncements, and denouncements. Electioneering fatigue is already setting in some voters.
And now many are demanding both release their full medical reports rather than succinct statements. Trump's tax return arguments will continue to be quite arcane. With sky high unfavorability, both have to duke it out and the winner will have to be anybody's guess.
What a whimsical world!
Trump is expected to tread on the paths of dissidence and dissonance, in a meshuga manner. His pronouncements will consist of a lot of renouncements, and denouncements. Electioneering fatigue is already setting in some voters.
And now many are demanding both release their full medical reports rather than succinct statements. Trump's tax return arguments will continue to be quite arcane. With sky high unfavorability, both have to duke it out and the winner will have to be anybody's guess.
What a whimsical world!
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Just wondering. Have you even heard a mdicum of what has been coming out of Donald Trump's mouth??? -- There's hardly one part of the entire American electorate that his escaped his deprecatory manner.
As for his "sky high favorability"?? -- don't bet on it.
As for his "sky high favorability"?? -- don't bet on it.
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What quack is writing a prescription for Armour Thyroid? This is ground up from pig thyroid glands. This is 1960's medicine at best. Get the lady on Synthroid or a generic equiveleant. This lady is not being looked after very closely if she is on Armour Thyroid in 2016. Many pharmacies will not even carry this. It controls the bodies thermostat (thyroid gland), you don't take ground up pig thyroids to supplement you're need for thyroid hormone. Get on synthetic thyroid hormone like most patients did in the the 70's and 80's. Not one medical professional picks up on this in the press? SCARY
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Many people still prefer armour thyroid.
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Shocked at how reporters are trusting and/or lazy enough to take the campaign at its word regarding the pneumonia diagnosis. First the campaign said there was nothing. Then it was normal coughing. Then it was allergies. And now its pneumonia. How, after all we've been put through by the Clintons, can any thinking person simply accept the latest carefully worded statement as the truth?
In any case, pneumonia can be debilitating and maybe you can collapse as a consequence. But the cure for pneumonia is not 90 minutes in your daughter's apartment. Less respected media outlets (Drudge, etc.) have been pointing out for weeks that there are health concerns and they have been citing a variety of incidents/symptoms along with the shroud of secrecy and protection that has surround the campaign and the candidate. I'm not sure there's anything here. But it would be naive to simply report that she has a case of pneumonia and leave it at that.
In any case, pneumonia can be debilitating and maybe you can collapse as a consequence. But the cure for pneumonia is not 90 minutes in your daughter's apartment. Less respected media outlets (Drudge, etc.) have been pointing out for weeks that there are health concerns and they have been citing a variety of incidents/symptoms along with the shroud of secrecy and protection that has surround the campaign and the candidate. I'm not sure there's anything here. But it would be naive to simply report that she has a case of pneumonia and leave it at that.
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To all the democratic girls who demanded that it be our turn like playing jacks on the sidewalk you forced Hillary on us despite tons of baggage, lies, hawkery, etc. Well, it seems that she had the right to keep information about her health beyond us because we are stupid and don't need to have private information.
We could have nominated so many women, esp. Elizabeth Warren and be sitting pretty. Instead you girls have us running around trying to figure the latest terrible news. Hillary talked in a way that would have the electorate enraged instead of wanting to vote democratic.
This news about PNEUMONIA DIAGNOSIS ON FRIDAY!!!!! It's not going to be you who is going to pay but the democrats who were loyal to our party that duped us over and over again!
We could have nominated so many women, esp. Elizabeth Warren and be sitting pretty. Instead you girls have us running around trying to figure the latest terrible news. Hillary talked in a way that would have the electorate enraged instead of wanting to vote democratic.
This news about PNEUMONIA DIAGNOSIS ON FRIDAY!!!!! It's not going to be you who is going to pay but the democrats who were loyal to our party that duped us over and over again!
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Elizabeth Warren made it clear she was not going to accept a nomination to run for President. She said it over and over again. Why would the Democratic Party not believe her? She stated she would not accept a draft. Why waste the time and money to nominate a woman who would not accept it?
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First it was "allergies". Then it was "overheated", "dehydrated", and now "pneumonia". You never get a straight story out of this one. It's like talking to my kids.
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Has it ocurred to you that they all might be symptomatic of the same thing???
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Wouldn't it have been easier and politically more expedient if the pneumonia had been disclosed sooner and the suspicious vagueness of 'dehydration', and 'over-heating' avoided? The current situation plays into Secretary Clinton's perceived issues about 'transparency', 'honestly'...and of course it just adds fuel for Trump's ongoing bantering about her 'stamina'.
This campaign needs to get its act together. The stakes are too high for these kinds of errors of judgement.
This campaign needs to get its act together. The stakes are too high for these kinds of errors of judgement.
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Any candidate for the highest office who does not fully disclose their physical and mental conditions to the public belongs, to coin a new phrase, in "a basket of deplorables."
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And the same can be said about those candidates who refuse to show their income tax.
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You could say the same about not disclosing their tax returns.
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You live in New York and discount Trump's history of fraud? Trump U? Trump Steaks? Trump Foundation? Secret instructions to building managers to not rent to blacks? I lived there for years, and I knew all about Trump.
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You would think that between this gaffe and her dropping like a sack of potatoes, that the worm would turn. The Electorate would make up its mind.
Even though what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, the point of that kind of incendiary invective is incivil. As for the notion that her brand of "campaigning" is reductive or joyless, it is far worse than that. It is the proposition that we've got to spend our entire life making up for the vermin we are if we disagree with her politically. What is that if not degrading? We don't do that to people. She engaged in the very definition of hate speech. It is bigotry defined.
As for Trump, you can't produce light without heat. He is the change agent we must have in order to effect the tectonic shift we need to avert certain financial disaster, followed by social upheaval.
Even though what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, the point of that kind of incendiary invective is incivil. As for the notion that her brand of "campaigning" is reductive or joyless, it is far worse than that. It is the proposition that we've got to spend our entire life making up for the vermin we are if we disagree with her politically. What is that if not degrading? We don't do that to people. She engaged in the very definition of hate speech. It is bigotry defined.
As for Trump, you can't produce light without heat. He is the change agent we must have in order to effect the tectonic shift we need to avert certain financial disaster, followed by social upheaval.
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I'm not a supporter, but I wish her good well. Still, she gets sick too frequently. She is clearly in poor health and needs to step aside in order to receive proper medical attention.
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It is not difficult to comprehend why the Clinton campaign was reluctant to disclose Secretary Clinton's illness. The media has freely indulged (i.e., given wider coverage than deserved) outlandish claims by conspiracy theorists about her health. Add to that assumptions about women's physical capabilities (or lack thereof) that permeate our society and Trump's clearly gendered rhetoric about her "strength and stamina" and lack of a "presidential look," and it is easy to see why the last thing that she wanted to do was to say, "I am too ill to attend the 9/11 ceremony." The Clinton campaign rightfully feared what Trump would make of that, and decided to risk seeing if she could make it through. Do we really think that either Trump or the media would have greeted an announcement of her withdrawal with sympathy? The media needs to take some responsibility for her lack of transparency. She admitted that she had upped her dose of antihistamines, presumably in a desperate effort to curtail the allergy-induced coughing of which the Trump campaign has made so much. Too many antihistamines cause dehydration and dizziness. Secretary Clinton had a minor respiratory complaint that got worse because she fell victim to the unreasonable pressures by the media and the Trump campaign that she somehow needs to prove that she is strong, despite her decades of service in demanding roles. What woman, and I hope man, cannot sympathize with her desire to do so?
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@steph
Great points there.... which also illustrate the extent to which double-standards still operate in our society.
This society still has a long way to go.
Great points there.... which also illustrate the extent to which double-standards still operate in our society.
This society still has a long way to go.
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The diagnosis of pneumonia in a 68 y/o women is interesting. In isolation, that is with no other information, many times the treatable culprit is mycoplasma pneumonia, the cause of "walking pneumonia."
In the context of a aged women with a long history of "seasonal allergies", a history of chronic cough, this bout of pneumonia, one may start thinking about other lower respiratory (lung) involvement such as "asthma", maybe late (adult) onset asthma. People with asthma frequently are predisposed to developing pneumonia particularly the very young and the aged. The diagnosis of asthma can be confused with the diagnosis of pneumonia and pneumonia can be confused with the diagnosis of asthma.
The remarkable recovery of Ms. Clinton within 90 minutes of the collapse episode and the suggestion that the stumble was due to "dehydration" related to the pneumonia does not make medical sense. Dehydration to the point of collapse takes many hours to days to recover for a 68 y/o person. Walking the streets and speaking with a little girl less than 1 1/2 hours after collapsing makes alternative respiratory condition likely.
If we add everything that we know together: physical collapse+history of allergies+chronic cough+onset of pneumonia+rapid recovery as does occur with treatment for asthma with a nebulizer= Asthma.
For confirming asthma history, we can search Ms. Clinton's medical record for references to childhood conditions like asthma, pneumonia, wheezing chronic cough.
In the context of a aged women with a long history of "seasonal allergies", a history of chronic cough, this bout of pneumonia, one may start thinking about other lower respiratory (lung) involvement such as "asthma", maybe late (adult) onset asthma. People with asthma frequently are predisposed to developing pneumonia particularly the very young and the aged. The diagnosis of asthma can be confused with the diagnosis of pneumonia and pneumonia can be confused with the diagnosis of asthma.
The remarkable recovery of Ms. Clinton within 90 minutes of the collapse episode and the suggestion that the stumble was due to "dehydration" related to the pneumonia does not make medical sense. Dehydration to the point of collapse takes many hours to days to recover for a 68 y/o person. Walking the streets and speaking with a little girl less than 1 1/2 hours after collapsing makes alternative respiratory condition likely.
If we add everything that we know together: physical collapse+history of allergies+chronic cough+onset of pneumonia+rapid recovery as does occur with treatment for asthma with a nebulizer= Asthma.
For confirming asthma history, we can search Ms. Clinton's medical record for references to childhood conditions like asthma, pneumonia, wheezing chronic cough.
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Just keep your eye on her right foot. She is basically unconscious. Unfortunately, this and the coughing incident combined with the refusal to release her medical records sniffs strongly of another cover-up.
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Donald Trump advocates the expulsion of 11 million people, some of them American citizens.
Now he's worried about the implications of this lady's walking pneumonia?
Now he's worried about the implications of this lady's walking pneumonia?
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Hillary's Health Issues would not be a conspiracy if the lame-stream media actually investigated & reported the news. Now, if Trump was collapsing, zoning out in the middle of speeches or hacking up a lung at his speeches, I have no doubt the NY Times would be asking questions & demanding answers.
Hillary's 9/11 Collapse video let the cat out of the bag, once & for all. By the reactions of the Secret Service and her aides, you can tell this was no surprise to them.
So, if Hillary really has pneumonia, the day after hers diagnosis of pneumonia, what does she do? She attends campaign events where she's shaking hands, hugging and even kissing some people. Does that sound like what a reasonable person would do one day after being diagnosed with pneumonia?
Then, on the second day after her diagnosis of pneumonia, after shaking hands, hugging and kissing even more people at the 9/11 Memorial Ceremony, she collapses. However, rather than going to a hospital or seeing a doctor, Hillary decides to visit the apartment of her daughter Chelsea Clinton. Bear in mind that Chelsea Clinton has a less than three month old infant as well as a less than two-year-old toddler. Knowing the statistics and the severity of a potential pneumonia infection to infants and toddlers, would a reasonable person decide to go visit their infant grandson and toddler granddaughter, two days after a diagnosis of pneumonia?
Hillary is a train wreck and a sick one at that...
Hillary's 9/11 Collapse video let the cat out of the bag, once & for all. By the reactions of the Secret Service and her aides, you can tell this was no surprise to them.
So, if Hillary really has pneumonia, the day after hers diagnosis of pneumonia, what does she do? She attends campaign events where she's shaking hands, hugging and even kissing some people. Does that sound like what a reasonable person would do one day after being diagnosed with pneumonia?
Then, on the second day after her diagnosis of pneumonia, after shaking hands, hugging and kissing even more people at the 9/11 Memorial Ceremony, she collapses. However, rather than going to a hospital or seeing a doctor, Hillary decides to visit the apartment of her daughter Chelsea Clinton. Bear in mind that Chelsea Clinton has a less than three month old infant as well as a less than two-year-old toddler. Knowing the statistics and the severity of a potential pneumonia infection to infants and toddlers, would a reasonable person decide to go visit their infant grandson and toddler granddaughter, two days after a diagnosis of pneumonia?
Hillary is a train wreck and a sick one at that...
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Physical ailments like pneumonia are temporary and curable. I am impressed with Secretary Clinton's stamina. If you want to see something truly astonishing, do a search for JFK and cherry picker basket- his arthritic back was so painful at times, he used a cherry picker suspended from a crane to board Air Force One. He couldn't climb the stairs. He had many other ailments as well, and took dozens of medications. In spite of this, he led the nation very skillfully.
Get well soon Secretary Clinton.
Get well soon Secretary Clinton.
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Hillary Clinton's Doctor says precisely what her campaign tells him to say.
Does anyone really believe otherwise?
Does anyone really believe otherwise?
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Yes I believe otherwise. On the other hand, her physician didn't address her remarks To Whom My Concern, so you're probably on to something.
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I'll bet if this happened to Trump - if he attended the ceremony with pneumonia & became ill - he would be praised in all the media for his courage and toughing it out.
You know he'd be on Twitter praising himself!
And when he reappeared from his apartment as Clinton did from Chelsea's, they'd be practically shouting hallelujahs at his "resurrection"!
I think Ms. Clinton looked amazingly refreshed and strong as she emerged from Chelsea's apartment. Just as she did after 11 grueling hours of the Benghazi Inquisition. Just as she has throughout her campaign. Looks like she's slimming down, too - unlike Trump, who seems to get heavier by the day.
And she's often smiling - unlike Trump's angry or constipated expressions.
I wonder what Trump is hiding underneath that hideous hair and fake tan? I notice you can still tell when his face is tomato-red or ashen-pale. And what is he hiding behind that ridiculous "doctor's note" that looks like it was written by a 5th grader - or Trump?
C'mon - no one who's so yuuugely obese and eats junk food all the time is healthy - not at age 70.
And why must he travel home to sleep every night - no matter where he's campaigning? Does he have a hospital room set up in his penthouse? Does he have to be medicated every night - or get blood transfusions? What?!??
Or does he need to have his "human" mask replaced every 24 hours??! Is this why he's said he doesn't want to live in the White House if elected?
You know he'd be on Twitter praising himself!
And when he reappeared from his apartment as Clinton did from Chelsea's, they'd be practically shouting hallelujahs at his "resurrection"!
I think Ms. Clinton looked amazingly refreshed and strong as she emerged from Chelsea's apartment. Just as she did after 11 grueling hours of the Benghazi Inquisition. Just as she has throughout her campaign. Looks like she's slimming down, too - unlike Trump, who seems to get heavier by the day.
And she's often smiling - unlike Trump's angry or constipated expressions.
I wonder what Trump is hiding underneath that hideous hair and fake tan? I notice you can still tell when his face is tomato-red or ashen-pale. And what is he hiding behind that ridiculous "doctor's note" that looks like it was written by a 5th grader - or Trump?
C'mon - no one who's so yuuugely obese and eats junk food all the time is healthy - not at age 70.
And why must he travel home to sleep every night - no matter where he's campaigning? Does he have a hospital room set up in his penthouse? Does he have to be medicated every night - or get blood transfusions? What?!??
Or does he need to have his "human" mask replaced every 24 hours??! Is this why he's said he doesn't want to live in the White House if elected?
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Ms. Clinton was between a rock and a hard place. She could have apologized and stayed away from the 9/11 ceremonies pleading the pneumonia. Or she could try to tough it out and go to the ceremonies. Had she taken option one, she would now be getting crucified for her "lack of respect for the fallen", and using her "pneumonia" as an excuse. She took a chance option 2, and it was apparently the heat got to her, just as it did to many others who weren't carrying the pneumonia bug. So now she is being painted as "too frail to be President".
Pneumonia is not a sign of any sort of chronic condition, any more than a bad cold would be. The indications seem to be that Ms. Clinton has just a mild case, and if she paces herself a bit, and takes her meds, she'll be fine in a few days.
Pneumonia is not a sign of any sort of chronic condition, any more than a bad cold would be. The indications seem to be that Ms. Clinton has just a mild case, and if she paces herself a bit, and takes her meds, she'll be fine in a few days.
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@marty
Thank you for your comment.
This is just to quickly add, Hillary Clinton was our Senator from New York when the 9/11 attacks occured.
While Rudy Giulliani bathed in the media glare, Clinton worked to get this city the federal funding it needed to rebuild and to care for the health of ouf first-responders.
Trump was nowhere to be found during those dark days.
Clinton was at that 9/11 Memorial Service because she deserved to be there.
And we will never forget.
Thank you for your comment.
This is just to quickly add, Hillary Clinton was our Senator from New York when the 9/11 attacks occured.
While Rudy Giulliani bathed in the media glare, Clinton worked to get this city the federal funding it needed to rebuild and to care for the health of ouf first-responders.
Trump was nowhere to be found during those dark days.
Clinton was at that 9/11 Memorial Service because she deserved to be there.
And we will never forget.
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How stupid to not reveal such a medical condition. What possible benefit could her campaign staff see in withholding that information? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Before life became a cartoon or action movie filled with tension, violence, vicarious thrills from over the top public awareness of every burp made by every celebrity or politician, we had a little discretion, mature perspective, understanding how protracted punishing schedules of public appearances, endless travel, relentless pressure and work can weaken ANYONE and make them vulnerable to an infection. Fortunately, pneumonia is relatively easily recovered from, by a reasonably healthy person. Pneumonia is no longer an automatically fatal illness...we are no longer in the 1800's. May Hillary get the rest and care she needs and soon return to the campaign she wants to run. And may she win!
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About two months before my younger sister passed away, she would suddenly exhibit bouts of head bobbing. Also, she had great difficulty controlling her body temperature. She would "overheat" just like we saw yesterday with Hillary. She would have to sit in a tub of cool water for a while. The autopsy revealed Multiple Sclerosis.
Just saying.
Just saying.
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Maybe the Russians poisoned her? Hope her doctor is checking. I will pray for you Hillary. Get well soon. The country needs you desperately.
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While being concerned about Clinton's health I am more concerned about defeating Donald Trump. Perhaps it would be for the best if she were to withdraw her candidacy and someone else from the Democratic party run who could defeat DT. Hillary has too much baggage and is not running a convincing campaign. A new candidate would totally throw DT into confusion and chaos because he's based so much of his campaign on Clinton conspiracy theories.
Unfortunately with Hillary he has had a very rich target. If she were to withdraw you can bet Trump would say her illness was faked because she was losing int the polls and that it's a conspiracy to take away his crown. If she continues in the race I fear we will be doomed. Hopefully there's still time to make the change that can prevent an insane candidate from taking down the entire world.
Unfortunately with Hillary he has had a very rich target. If she were to withdraw you can bet Trump would say her illness was faked because she was losing int the polls and that it's a conspiracy to take away his crown. If she continues in the race I fear we will be doomed. Hopefully there's still time to make the change that can prevent an insane candidate from taking down the entire world.
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What's with the spin that Hillary is campaigning too hard? Donald had 2x the events over the last 30 days — and that's being generous in counting her high-dollar Hamptons and Malibu private luncheons and dinners as events.
Seems obvious she's ill and her team's strategy was to try and run the clock out. But then came email leaks, Donald behaving, Donald in Mexico, Donald getting some momentum, which created pressure to put her back out there.
Seems obvious she's ill and her team's strategy was to try and run the clock out. But then came email leaks, Donald behaving, Donald in Mexico, Donald getting some momentum, which created pressure to put her back out there.
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I don't believe any of this story. I think Hillary had bone cancer in a leg and had it amputated. The pain from a fitted prosthesis was to much and she collapsed on her. Of course I don't expect her to be honest about it anymore than she was forthcoming about her medical diagnosis on Friday which was a pneumococcal allergy to Mr Trump.
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The media and the Right have turned Hillary Clinton's diagnosis of pneumonia into a scandal and have gone into overdrive with Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome. It's time for President Obama to declare a national emergency!
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Didn't anyone watch "Churchill's Secret" on PBS last night? Following WWII when the world was panicked over the atomic bomb, he had a serious near fatal stroke. He kept this concealed to protect against international instability. He recovered and went on to help start the west, Germany and Japan toward recovery.
We need leaders of fortitude and sacrifice. Hillary is far closer to this model than any one gives her credit. Trump meanwhile is the Putin or Stalin, looking for every opportunity to hone his "Your Fired" personality. Let's work together to help and hire people!
We need leaders of fortitude and sacrifice. Hillary is far closer to this model than any one gives her credit. Trump meanwhile is the Putin or Stalin, looking for every opportunity to hone his "Your Fired" personality. Let's work together to help and hire people!
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FDR kept the country going through WWII from a wheel chair. He had polio. He led from strength of character; Hillary Clinton will do the same. LBJ had high blood pressure, and he kept working to get the Civil Rights Bill passed, then he went home and died from a stroke. We have been blessed with strong leaders who have had the same illnesses and problems most humans share.
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Until Trump provides credible evidence of excellent health, his campaign should just lay off her health issues and giving the impression that she is weak. Statistically women outlive men and are not more susceptible to fainting either. At 67 I am "statistically" as healthy as a woman in her forties according doctors I have visited, yet two years ago, after standing for an hour in a very warm St. Matthew's Cathedral at an Easter Mass, I had to walk out of church twice to catch my breath because I felt faint. Like Hillary, I drink too much coffee and not enough water and because of that I suffer from migraines occasionally. None of these things keep me from working more than 40 hours a week in a job where I have to analyze and make decisions on projects. Trump cannot retain two simultaneous facts in his head for more than minute. He suffers from ADHD and has the patience of a toddler. What he can do to our democracy concerns me more than a pneumonia and allergy diagnosis on Hillary.
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To assuage our fear of Trump winning the election, I and other Democrats have found comfort in telling ourselves that Trump's behavior is so ingrained that he can't possibly control his tongue and will self destruct in press conferences and the debates. His new-found ability to be civil scares me because he's learning to adapt his self-marketing strategy.
Hillary's handling of her collapse is yet another clumsy cover-up that was easily exposed for what it is. She seems unable to learn from her mistakes, and that really scares me.
Hillary's handling of her collapse is yet another clumsy cover-up that was easily exposed for what it is. She seems unable to learn from her mistakes, and that really scares me.
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I always think I couldn't possibly like or admire her more than I do right at that moment but then I do. What an outstanding person. It's a testament to her health and strength that she hasn't been ill more often with the travel and shaking all those germy hands and being close to so many people.
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Eleven hours in a grueling, ridiculous Congressional Hearing; and, she walked out with dignity and the respect of Americans like myself. Don't underestimate Hillary Clinton.
Contracting pneumonia during a grueling campaign season and then doing your best to make it through an important event despite that diagnosis, because a no-show would be seen as unpatriotic and dishonoring all that happened and the people who died -- yeah boy, that sure should be a disqualifier for serving as president. Good god, I'm sick of the coverage of this campaign.
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Pick a Hill Campaign Dx:
1. allergy and pill OD
2. dehydration, advanced enough to cause collapse, with 2 hr recovery
3. Heat prostration, again 2 hrs to full recovery
4. pneumonia with recovery to "feel great" in 2 hrs
Or Dx with your own eyes: photo documentation of episodic muscular weakness x months if not years which does not fit with Dem. Dx 1-4.
Hillary and the Democratic Party have a powerful interest in coming clean with a complete neuroligic examination of Hillary and themselves, because if again they are hiding huge secrets only to surface after the election then the office they win is dead on arrival.
1. allergy and pill OD
2. dehydration, advanced enough to cause collapse, with 2 hr recovery
3. Heat prostration, again 2 hrs to full recovery
4. pneumonia with recovery to "feel great" in 2 hrs
Or Dx with your own eyes: photo documentation of episodic muscular weakness x months if not years which does not fit with Dem. Dx 1-4.
Hillary and the Democratic Party have a powerful interest in coming clean with a complete neuroligic examination of Hillary and themselves, because if again they are hiding huge secrets only to surface after the election then the office they win is dead on arrival.
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This country needs a strong leader that has the strength and stamina to stand up to world leaders, China, & Russia on a daily basis. Not someone that spends the majority of her time with donors, special interest groups or resting instead of supporting the American citizens.
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Where's Bernie? Seems she has Walking around pneumonia! This is the height of ridiculousness. Now we have the cover-up of the cover-ups.
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If she felt well enough to function, why is it anybody's business that she had pneumonia? She is not president; she is running for president and she will be fully recovered in a week or so. I have had pneumonia three times--once as a college student and twice as a professional in NYC. As a student, I was confined to the college infirmary. As an adult, I worked, believing I could soldier on until I couldn't. Until finally I collapsed and had to rest. And more than once, I have been overcome by NYC heat and humidity. Put the two together and, well, why wouldn't you nearly faint? Please. I admire Mrs. Clinton for her grit and courage. Feel better soon, Madame Secretary. Get some rest. P. S. We have had presidents who've had heart attacks and dementia, who have suffered from gunshot injuries and who have been paralyzed as a result of polio. Even George Washington suffered from poor health while in office. What is the big deal about pneumonia? There are far more important issues to consider.
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You are not exactly well enough to function if, without others there to catch you, you are doing face plants on the concrete.
Would not be very Presidential.
Would not be very Presidential.
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As a physician with an emphasis on infections, it is my opinion that many patients are incorrectly diagnosed with "pneumonia" and inappropriately treated with antibiotics (leading to widespread resistance to antibiotics).
The diagnosis of pneumonia REQUIRES a chest x-ray and the confirmation of a radiologist reading of that chest x-ray. Without a radiologist's read of an abnormal chest x-ray, you cannot make the diagnosis of pneumonia.
I read her physician's comments, but there was no mention of a chest x-ray.
The question in my mind is does Hillary have pneumonia or is this just another Clinton Family lie?
The diagnosis of pneumonia REQUIRES a chest x-ray and the confirmation of a radiologist reading of that chest x-ray. Without a radiologist's read of an abnormal chest x-ray, you cannot make the diagnosis of pneumonia.
I read her physician's comments, but there was no mention of a chest x-ray.
The question in my mind is does Hillary have pneumonia or is this just another Clinton Family lie?
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As a physician, you should know that atypical pneumonia/ bronchitis does not show up on a CXR. And how do you know a CXR was not done?
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Shame on you, "Doctor" (?) ..Longrider? from MN. Your ''diagnostics for pneumonia" can be easily grabbed off the web. No MD needed. And...apparently, you have been privy to information regarding Sec Clinton's recent health episode that... no one else in the public has! (Wow) I think you are fraudulently representing yourself as a medical professional, as are others "knowledgeably" commenting here today. It's a disservice to all us Times readers. Mrs Clinton needs a few days of deserved rest. Period. We all fall ill sometimes. Life.
If there is any type of pneumonia Hillary would claim to have, it will definitely be the one that does not show up on Xray.
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Ms Clinton, I wish you a complete and speedy recovery.
I feel you have been maligned beyond even the most evil imagination .
However you have given some credence to the negative perceptions about you with your careless use of email and that foolish deplorable comment.
Sadly the rights propaganda machine and your own missteps have created the real probabability that Trump will win.This will be tragic for the country and could enable the Senate to be retained by the Republicans and the ability to appoint Supreme Court judges which will set back the progressive agenda for decades.
I ask that you show leadership and the supreme sacrifice and step aside and let Biden assume the Nomination ideally with Ms Warren as his VP pick
They will trounce Trump, confuse Ailes, Bannon and Putin, the truly deplorable ones.
The Democrat Party,s agenda is the right way forward and you and Senator Sanders should be proud of this and you can continue to serve the world through the great work of the CGI and be a great grandparent. Take it from me that is the world,s best role
I feel you have been maligned beyond even the most evil imagination .
However you have given some credence to the negative perceptions about you with your careless use of email and that foolish deplorable comment.
Sadly the rights propaganda machine and your own missteps have created the real probabability that Trump will win.This will be tragic for the country and could enable the Senate to be retained by the Republicans and the ability to appoint Supreme Court judges which will set back the progressive agenda for decades.
I ask that you show leadership and the supreme sacrifice and step aside and let Biden assume the Nomination ideally with Ms Warren as his VP pick
They will trounce Trump, confuse Ailes, Bannon and Putin, the truly deplorable ones.
The Democrat Party,s agenda is the right way forward and you and Senator Sanders should be proud of this and you can continue to serve the world through the great work of the CGI and be a great grandparent. Take it from me that is the world,s best role
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Another stupid conversation. Everyone gets sick occasionally but you recover. It's meaningless. Trump still hasn't released medical records. He is grossly fat and eats a terrible diet. That puts him at much greater risk than pneumonia.
We need a psychiatric exam of Trump. He is obviously not mentally healthy and that's even more of a danger.
Trump has refused to release anything and is being left off the hook again. Same with his taxes. How much does he owe Russia, China and Germany? To which country will he swear allegiance?
We need a psychiatric exam of Trump. He is obviously not mentally healthy and that's even more of a danger.
Trump has refused to release anything and is being left off the hook again. Same with his taxes. How much does he owe Russia, China and Germany? To which country will he swear allegiance?
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Ok. Let me get this right: Hillary Clinton is now not allowed to get sick? With something that can easily be cured by antibiotics? The misogyny of this concept is staggering.
PS- If HRC was in a COMA, she'd still be a more effective/better President than Donald Trump.
PS- If HRC was in a COMA, she'd still be a more effective/better President than Donald Trump.
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Well, she wouldn't be a Clinton if she wasn't offering up smoke to the hyperbolic fires of the conspiracy theorists. Still, getting pneumonia isn't a misstep, like say, idiotically popping over to the plane of the head of a department investigating your candidate wife to say "hi." It's just bad luck. So, I hope she feels better soon.
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A) If she were "overheated" the first thing would be to REMOVE her jacket
B) If she were dehydrated, no one had any water? Puh-leeze
C) This is the 6th incident. The fall @ home, the fall in the parking garage, the fall boarding the plane, fainting in Albany giving a speech, canceling another speech for the same reasons (flu like symptoms and dehydration) without even factoring the slip going up the stairs and requiring help.
How many more lies can this woman fabricate and will the media perpetrate? The fact that she eluded any and all questions while exiting her duaghters apartment nailed her coffin shut.
B) If she were dehydrated, no one had any water? Puh-leeze
C) This is the 6th incident. The fall @ home, the fall in the parking garage, the fall boarding the plane, fainting in Albany giving a speech, canceling another speech for the same reasons (flu like symptoms and dehydration) without even factoring the slip going up the stairs and requiring help.
How many more lies can this woman fabricate and will the media perpetrate? The fact that she eluded any and all questions while exiting her duaghters apartment nailed her coffin shut.
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Ms Clinton needs to go home and get well. Having had a bout of Pneumonia, it takes more than a few days to get over.
Now, while you are resting Ms Clinton, how about the unreleased Wall Street Speeches you promised to release during the Primary? Like the Chicago Tribune Editorial Board said- we should know what you said and not someday.
"Voters have a legitimate interest in exploring what she has said to rooms full of bankers and investors in the context of evaluating her perspective on financial regulations and economic growth...
Hillary Clinton earned $21.7 million from about 100 speaking engagements after her tenure as secretary of state, according to The Wall Street Journal.
She spoke to many business groups. Of all the paid gigs, one trio garners most of the attention: three appearances she made at Goldman Sachs client conferences, for which the firm paid her a reported $675,000. What did Clinton tell Goldman Sachs? Well, let's assume the firm didn't pay $225,000 per session to get a dressing-down. Politico quoted one attendee saying Clinton praised the firm for its role in the economy: "It's so far from what she sounds like as a candidate now. It was like a rah-rah speech. She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.""
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-hillary-clinton...
Do the right thing Ms Clinton, release the transcripts.
Now, while you are resting Ms Clinton, how about the unreleased Wall Street Speeches you promised to release during the Primary? Like the Chicago Tribune Editorial Board said- we should know what you said and not someday.
"Voters have a legitimate interest in exploring what she has said to rooms full of bankers and investors in the context of evaluating her perspective on financial regulations and economic growth...
Hillary Clinton earned $21.7 million from about 100 speaking engagements after her tenure as secretary of state, according to The Wall Street Journal.
She spoke to many business groups. Of all the paid gigs, one trio garners most of the attention: three appearances she made at Goldman Sachs client conferences, for which the firm paid her a reported $675,000. What did Clinton tell Goldman Sachs? Well, let's assume the firm didn't pay $225,000 per session to get a dressing-down. Politico quoted one attendee saying Clinton praised the firm for its role in the economy: "It's so far from what she sounds like as a candidate now. It was like a rah-rah speech. She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.""
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-hillary-clinton...
Do the right thing Ms Clinton, release the transcripts.
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An attendee released transcripts. There was nothing there, except a plea to hire and promote more women in the corporate work environment. This is old right wing baloney.
Hillary has been suffering these coughing fits for months and even what appears to be seizures. Now only after a photographer captures her collapsing are we being told it's pneumonia.
Based on Hillary's track record of lying and deception voters should demand that she release her medical records.
Based on Hillary's track record of lying and deception voters should demand that she release her medical records.
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Just plain stupid that the media makes news out of this. The simple fact that it is treatable with oral antibiotics shows the lack of severity. This just feeds into the Trump agenda.
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No speculation is necessary regarding the health of the candidates. They both have to release current, detailed medical reports of their health to end the rumors and armchair diagnoses.
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She and her campaign lied until a private citizen made a video and then they likely also lied about her having pneumonia. If Trump supporters are a 'basket of deplorable' does that make Clinton supporters a 'gaggle of gullibles'?
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In yesterday's article, someone present at the 9/11 memorial said that bottled water was offered to all of the dignitaries present, but that no one (presumably including Clinton) accepted a bottle. I gather public figures consider it unwise to have a photo or a video show them drinking anything. Not quite sure why. In any case, drinking water sure seems better than becoming dehydrated.
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" I gather public figures consider it unwise to have a photo or a video show them drinking anything. "
Isn't bottled water condemned by some of the more rabid environmental activists because it comes in plastic bottles that have to be transported and then cause waste when discarded?
Isn't bottled water condemned by some of the more rabid environmental activists because it comes in plastic bottles that have to be transported and then cause waste when discarded?
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The article, and the comments, in my opinion, are not addressing the "elephant in the room". This Hillary Clinton medical incident in the midst of the world wide viewing of the memorial events surrounding the 15th anniversary of the horrendous terrorists attacks on the USA - is perhaps a personal and political disaster for Hillary - a former "Wellesley Sister".
Many of us saw a stricken right side of Hillary, a buckling of legs, inability to walk, and awkward right arm movements, still obvious after the visit to her daughter's apartment. ( Was the huge shoulder bag on her right arm there to stabilize her arm and hand?) We, and others, who have been supporting her, since her fiery speech at her College graduation, are more than dismayed. - We are frightened. Do not bring comparisons of Donald Trump's health into this - not relevant. - In fact he is clever enough to say nothing at this point - why is he respectful and silent? - because - he suspects this is serious - Study Hillary's medical history carefully - Some of us - and we are educated - are wondering if dear Hillary has a form of Epilepsy or (onset) Parkinson's. We fear for our country if she is indeed in a major medical situation - The independent candidate Johnson has made a fool of himself in his bewilderment and lack of knowledge, - saying "What is Aleppo?" and Trump is, in my opinion, a maniacal dangerous and delusional liar on steroids - God bless the USA and God Save us!
MLMJ a former New Yorker
Many of us saw a stricken right side of Hillary, a buckling of legs, inability to walk, and awkward right arm movements, still obvious after the visit to her daughter's apartment. ( Was the huge shoulder bag on her right arm there to stabilize her arm and hand?) We, and others, who have been supporting her, since her fiery speech at her College graduation, are more than dismayed. - We are frightened. Do not bring comparisons of Donald Trump's health into this - not relevant. - In fact he is clever enough to say nothing at this point - why is he respectful and silent? - because - he suspects this is serious - Study Hillary's medical history carefully - Some of us - and we are educated - are wondering if dear Hillary has a form of Epilepsy or (onset) Parkinson's. We fear for our country if she is indeed in a major medical situation - The independent candidate Johnson has made a fool of himself in his bewilderment and lack of knowledge, - saying "What is Aleppo?" and Trump is, in my opinion, a maniacal dangerous and delusional liar on steroids - God bless the USA and God Save us!
MLMJ a former New Yorker
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I want to scream... I can remember my dear mother being sick enough to "take a rest" ONE TIME in my entire eighteen year upbringing. She's like the Energizer Bunny; Goes and goes, in spite of exactly how she feels. Hillary takes a timeout during this grueling time, and the media has her on her deathbed and disqualified. #sexism
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Vice President Cheney had a serious heart problem ... her walking pneumonia is being treated with antibiotics. Former, President George Bush was a recovering alcoholic and that seemed to be okay for right wingers for him to be our world leader ! The republican hypocrisy is astounding. Trump's narcissism can't be cured ... he bragged his building was the tallest building after 911, truly deplorable !
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Why does Hillary keep shooting herself in the foot? She should have gotten out in front of her pneumonia diagnosis, leaving Trump no place to go. Didn't she learn her lesson from the personal server business? Her penchant for secrecy seems to trump common sense.
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Beautiful T-1000 presenting in uniform at the end of this video.
Was she wearing a bullet proof vest? In the heat and humidity, and being trapped in a crowd. I think of Trump's careless words encouraging the Second Amendment folks to go after her. Words can kill, Mr. Trump.
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Advertising the fact that one is wearing a bulletproof vest only tells a potential assassin that he should take a head shot rather than a body shot.
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Please, Sec. Clinton, take the time to get well. Your country needs you. Don't give in to any urging to rush it or any comments implying you have to prove how tough you are. You'll also be a good role model for women who too often feel they can't take the time to take care of themselves. Take a break until your strength comes back.
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Clinton's penumonia episode reminded me of an event long "forgotten". I was 9 month pregnant when my Department Chair called me to substitute for another young male professor in his early 30s because he and his wife had contracted walking Penumonia. Of course, I accepted the assignment over the phone even though I thought that in a department of 40, some one else could have step up to help another assistant professor who was "sick" and ordered by the Physician to say home.
But by next morning, my son decided to come ahead of schedule, and I was not able to help out.
But by next morning, my son decided to come ahead of schedule, and I was not able to help out.
Donald Trump will be delivering his first State of the Prostate this afternoon.
He always get unraveled when the limelight is on someone else. Yesterday he managed to brag that once the Twin Towers were gone, the biggest buildings were his.
Classy.
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Couldn't have happened to a more deplorable person.
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Speaking of deplorable.
"allergies, overheated, pneumonia, pneumonia last friday, much to do about nothing"...reminds me of another dissimulation.
"video, were going to get him, spontaneous, well planned, nothing we could have done, no assets in the region, no assists that could have gotten there in time, "what difference does it make?"
Why can't she just tell the truth?
"video, were going to get him, spontaneous, well planned, nothing we could have done, no assets in the region, no assists that could have gotten there in time, "what difference does it make?"
Why can't she just tell the truth?
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I'm also sick. I'm SICK of the way the media is covering the Presidential election. Do you ever write about the content of Clinton's speeches? Or just the verbal barbs the candidates make? The media is very deliberately mis-informing and un-informing the public in this election by refusing to cover the candidates positions on virtually every subject.
I DON'T CARE about the e-mails, her wardrobe, what she ate for dinner, who her friends are... I DO CARE about the substantial and complete dysfunction of the New York Times. Were you writing stories like this for a high school or college Journalism class, you would fail the class.
I DON'T CARE about the e-mails, her wardrobe, what she ate for dinner, who her friends are... I DO CARE about the substantial and complete dysfunction of the New York Times. Were you writing stories like this for a high school or college Journalism class, you would fail the class.
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you should care about her emails and servers because they are prime evidence of her lying and disingenuousness that's shadowed her ever since she met first took up with bill.
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I am in favor of Mrs. Cilnton becoming President, so remember that when
you read my comment
Here we go again. The Clintons never want to be honest and tell the
truth when they feel it will affect them negatively. Then, they get in big trouble
for not being forthcoming after the truth comes out. Which it will , as has been proved many times over. Hilary in particular can never own up to making a mistake, she will stonewall until the unfortunate reality of the situation becomes evident
With 66% of people polled saying she is not to be trusted,you would think
she would realize the value of candor and admitting her mistakes right away.
People have a hard time criticizing someone who owns up to making a mistake quickly. This behavior hurts her much more than anything the
the Republicans can do.
I am really mad at her for over and over giving the Republicans the
ammunition to discredit her.And I will be really mad at her if as a result
of all this lack of candor Trump wins the election.And as I said earlier,
I am one of her supporters.
you read my comment
Here we go again. The Clintons never want to be honest and tell the
truth when they feel it will affect them negatively. Then, they get in big trouble
for not being forthcoming after the truth comes out. Which it will , as has been proved many times over. Hilary in particular can never own up to making a mistake, she will stonewall until the unfortunate reality of the situation becomes evident
With 66% of people polled saying she is not to be trusted,you would think
she would realize the value of candor and admitting her mistakes right away.
People have a hard time criticizing someone who owns up to making a mistake quickly. This behavior hurts her much more than anything the
the Republicans can do.
I am really mad at her for over and over giving the Republicans the
ammunition to discredit her.And I will be really mad at her if as a result
of all this lack of candor Trump wins the election.And as I said earlier,
I am one of her supporters.
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It's called a lack of integrity. And you still support them after they've been caught lying time and time again?
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Leave it up to the press/TV to turn Secretary Clinton getting sick into a major calamity for her and her campaign. Nearly everyone that I know has had pneumonia and after a day or two of antibiotics, we're all fine and capable of doing our jobs well.
Feel better Madame Secretary. Stay away from the press -- that will really make you sick!
Feel better Madame Secretary. Stay away from the press -- that will really make you sick!
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I had pneumonia years ago and I had no idea that it was a terminal condition or the gateway disease to Parkinsons like the right wing in America seems to "think".
But I guess I didnt know about the GOP preferring diagnosis by middle-aged prostate cases on the radio and selling you a funeral plot either. Y'all just need to sign up for Obamacare and leave Hillary alone to take antibiotics.
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People die from pneumonia all the time, and I've never heard anyone say it's a gateway to Parkinson's. Instead, I've read it's a side effect of Parkinson's.
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I had bronchial pneumonia and walking pneumonia. Both treated with bed rest and antibiotics. My doctor did not tell me that I might get Parkinson's Disease. Probably because he was a board certified GI doctor who did not deal in right wing nonsense.
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"but long before the exacting scrutiny of the modern media environment"
How incredibly self-laudatory! And what *issues* have you covered here?
How incredibly self-laudatory! And what *issues* have you covered here?
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Considering they are serial liars, the pneumonia story is probably a lie as well. She turns into jelly and collapses six feet from the limo. That's not pneumonia. She's embracing a child later in the day. That's not pneumonia.
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How did her lungs sound when you examined her? Did you review a chest xray?
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She wouldn't even go to ER because her handlers were afraid the press would find out what's really going on.
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Another much ado about nothing. I hear commenters saying "Again, it's not the crime it's the cover-up." I guess the crime is illness and trying to carry on. If Don the Con had pneumonia, it wouldn't be a big deal. Because it's Hillary Clinton, it dominates the news cycle, along with her comment that half of Trump's supporters fall into the "basket of deplorables", ie racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and Islamophobic. The only problem with her deplorable comment is that it may underestimate the percentage of Trump supporters in those categories. Don the Con has appointed Stephen K. Bannon as the CEO of his campaign. Mr. Bannon is the man behind Breitbart Media becoming what Bannon himself calls the"platform for the alt-right" the assemblage of anti-immigrant, anti-Black, anti-Muslim, White-nationalist, sexist Trump supporters. This is who he chose to run his campaign. Take a look at some of Brietbart's headlines: "There's No Hiring Bias Against Women in Tech, They Just Suck at Interviews;" "Gabby Giffords: The Gun Control Movement's Human Shield"; "Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy;" "The Solution to Online 'Harassment' Is Simple: Women Should Log off." According to a recent PPP Poll, Trump supporters: 65% think President Obama is a Muslim, only 13% think he's a Christian; 59% think President Obama was not born in the United States, only 23% think he was. Trump has support of about 42% of all voters. It's easy to think 21% or more are in "deplorables."
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Four thousand and counting. I will not vote for Mrs. Clinton (donated to Bernie), but her medical records and her pneumonia are none of our business. If elected President, she will undergo more intensive health evaluations, the kind of medical care we should all be getting. The world is not going to fall apart regardless of who wins.
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Trust me. I am fine. Don't ask me to show you.
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Why is this such a huge problem? Or anyone's business? We ALL get sick, pneumonia is common. I remind people that it is very likely that Ronald Reagan had early onset of Alzheimer's when he took office; that FDR was crippled with polio and was reflected three times! The who, "health" meme is propaganda, it's a lie that is repeated often so eventually people will believe it!
Let me say that Donald does not healthy! He is overweight, for one. Bill Clinton, George Bush and Barack Obama and even George H.W. Bush all ran for exercise. Has anyone seen Avondale is anything but a suit and tie? Or on a golf course? Also, making health an issue is sexist, because it points to a "woman being weak" versus a "strong man"! Please! This is ridiculous!
Let me say that Donald does not healthy! He is overweight, for one. Bill Clinton, George Bush and Barack Obama and even George H.W. Bush all ran for exercise. Has anyone seen Avondale is anything but a suit and tie? Or on a golf course? Also, making health an issue is sexist, because it points to a "woman being weak" versus a "strong man"! Please! This is ridiculous!
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Why did the Clinton campaign lie and initially say she left due to "overheating," when she had already been diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday?
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NEWS FLASH!
Hillary halts campaign and the Democrats have to find another candidate. It won't be Bernie Sanders because he is not a Democrat. He's an independent now.
Hillary halts campaign and the Democrats have to find another candidate. It won't be Bernie Sanders because he is not a Democrat. He's an independent now.
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If the worst were to happen to HRC, major donors will tell the DNC whom to pick, and lawyers will provide the legal structure.
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There is a constitutional process in place; if something happens to the President, the Vice President steps up; after that the Speaker of the House and so on. We do not reinvent the wheel with each new President. A constitutional amendment is necessary to change this, and that requires either legislation, or a national petition. Not going to happen.
She's not president yet, just a candidate. There's no constitutional process covering a candidate who's incapacitated or dies. Replacement decision will be up to the DNC with no laws and little precedent to guide them if HRC ceases to be a candidate.
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I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but this statement is weird "it left her with a blood clot in her head". I believe the term is a subdural hematoma. A hematoma is a bruise and since it's not in the brain but outside the brain it has a totally different connotation then "blood clot".
Am I wrong in thinking that the NY Times is getting sloppy in it's reporting and writing, particularly in reference to Hillary Clinton?
Am I wrong in thinking that the NY Times is getting sloppy in it's reporting and writing, particularly in reference to Hillary Clinton?
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I hope that she recovers. Puzzled by the video - I've had sever pneumonia and never lost my legs like that.
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Walking pneumonia and severe dehydration in heat and humidity can cause fainting.
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People, please pay attention. This isn't about pneumonia, neurological disorders, e mail servers, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation or any of the other numerous scandals that continue to dog Hillary Clinton. It is about constant, well documented and by now obvious attempts to control the flow of information so that nothing negative ever gets out about Hillary. It doesn't work and makes her look exactly like what she is: a mendacious politician desperate to win at all costs.
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Oh for heaven's sake, "nothing negative ever gets out about Hillary" except the laundry list of supposed scandals you just now gave us. Now you want to make it Hillary's fault that there's nothing to back up all these supposed scandals? Give it a rest, Larry. There is no there, there.
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" It doesn't work and makes her look exactly like what she is: a mendacious politician desperate to win at all costs."
And also collect as much money as possible for her family foundation.
And also collect as much money as possible for her family foundation.
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@Larry:
exactly
exactly
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Good God, who would know a case of pneumonia would animate the right wing so much. I feel like I am watching my Aunt Mary Beth run around the house like a bat out of hell, " fixing to fix stuff".
Or maybe this "crisis" is the Trump U medical school exam - they found an available online patient and are going full out. Lots and Lots of medical advice from folks in states without Obamacare.
At any rate, pretty sure Clinton has her own doc.
Or maybe this "crisis" is the Trump U medical school exam - they found an available online patient and are going full out. Lots and Lots of medical advice from folks in states without Obamacare.
At any rate, pretty sure Clinton has her own doc.
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Ron said: "Mr. Trump is perhaps the most defeatable presidential candidate in several generations ... ." Agreed. But I know who comes in second in that race to the bottom. It's the one who seemingly can't help feeding the perception that she's never upfront with the public, about anything, even when it's something as trivial as a minor infection. Instead of making excuses for her, why not admit that there are some legitimate reasons to question her judgment and her forthrightness? We've got two very flawed candidates here, folks.
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Whats unfortunate here is that the issue of her health had already been made into an issue by Trumps campaign. Almost as big as his illegal immigration drumbeat. This plays right into his skeptical comments about her health. Trump has sent the message for Hillary to "get well soon". That is just as puzzling as her health condition being withheld despite Trump telling his supporters that she has 'serious health issues'. Donald Trump has suddenly developed empathy because he knows he doesn't have to say anything.
The way people get and digest their news today is very polarized. Trump supporters do not read the New York Times. If you want to see why Trump is suddenly so empathetic go to Breitbart, The Drudge Report, or any other right leaning news source and you will see why Donald Trump has suddenly developed a new acuity for some semblance of dignity....with the grin of a Cheshire cat. He can afford to play nice. The rest will be done by our polarized news outlets.
The way people get and digest their news today is very polarized. Trump supporters do not read the New York Times. If you want to see why Trump is suddenly so empathetic go to Breitbart, The Drudge Report, or any other right leaning news source and you will see why Donald Trump has suddenly developed a new acuity for some semblance of dignity....with the grin of a Cheshire cat. He can afford to play nice. The rest will be done by our polarized news outlets.
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A "basket" of Trump supporters do, in fact, read the New York Times. Perhaps not half, but what difference does it make?
1
Both Hillary and Donald Trump need to go to Walter Reed for a complete workup. We deserve to see concrete information about their states of health, and a complete list of all medications and non-controlled substances each regularly uses.
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I lost my dad to Parkinsons Disease, so I know what Im talking about...
1..Pneumonia accompanies Parkinsons , and it is the #1 killer of Parkinsons victims
2..The symptoms Hillary has are scary similar to my fathers before he died..She can try and hide it all she wants, but the fact remains she has it..her doctor is governed by HIPA so she cant say much, but Clinton cannot serve as POTUS with this disease, and should disclose that she has it...Not to disclose it threatens America
1..Pneumonia accompanies Parkinsons , and it is the #1 killer of Parkinsons victims
2..The symptoms Hillary has are scary similar to my fathers before he died..She can try and hide it all she wants, but the fact remains she has it..her doctor is governed by HIPA so she cant say much, but Clinton cannot serve as POTUS with this disease, and should disclose that she has it...Not to disclose it threatens America
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Pneumonia accompanies many things, including allergies to environmental allergens. Could you elaborate, as an expert, on exactly what you have observed in Mrs. Clinton, other than the fact that she has pneumonia and fainted on an oppressively humid day during a very long ceremony, that leads you to conclude that she has Parkinson's Disease?
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It's not the illness, it's the cover-up. This incident and the campaign's reaction put me in mind of both Woody Allen's "Sleeper" and the knight from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail."
Mrs. Clinton has a transparency problem. This is doing nothing at all to give anyone any confidence that she is being forthcoming about anything at all.
Mrs. Clinton has a transparency problem. This is doing nothing at all to give anyone any confidence that she is being forthcoming about anything at all.
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She didn't feel well on an oppressively humid morning during an oppressively long public ceremony and decided to leave. While waiting for her car she fainted and seemes to have momentarily lost consiousness. That would likely have been the end of the story and no further discussion if someone nearby hadn't filmed her fainting and aides rather clumsily tending to her. But someone nearby filmed it, giving rise to allt he Trump generated stories that she's dyinng, has Parkinson's, brain tumors,w hatever, forcing her campaign to have to disclose the reason. By the way, NY Sen. Charles Schumer just disclosed he had pneumonia a couple of weeks ago and had to take antibiotics too, and is now well. SO maybe there's a transparency problem with the whole congess -- maybe you need to go after them all and find out who has ever taken antibiotics and not publicly revealed it and the reason why -- pneumonia, bronchities, sinusitis, yeast infection, syphilis, infected tooth, whatever.
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I want to see Trump's tax returns. He is fat and bloated with a red face; I don't need to see his medical records to think he might be unhealthy. But, I do want to know why he is Putin's bro; I want to see how many business interests his sons have in Russia; I want to see how much money Russian oligarchs gave to him when he lost money in his casinos and real estate ventures. I want to see how much he owes to Russians.
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Her doc is full of it. Not in the basket of deplorables, obviously.
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No, he is not in the Aryan Nation, nor is he in The American Nazi Party with homophobes and anti-semites. Good Call.
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Her doctor is a woman.......
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Hillary campaigning for president while sick with pneumonia says to me she's pretty tough. She's earned my admiration, not concern.
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Why the lies? Obviously the first answers of her and her team are lies. Only later part of the truth enters daylight.
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Probably not a great idea for Trump folks to get too excited about someone else's very bad day. Note to self said Newt Gingrich. (That guy is so pitiful- he can't even hate on someone coughing without going into a coughing fit himself.)
A man Donald's age who is looking more and more like a Lard Lad fig-yor-een every day best keep his tongue in check. The beet- faced angry old rich guy hollering at all The Injustice, and shaking his little paw at the sky about black folks and immigrants is not exactly an inspiring archetype in 2016.
Be classy Donald and send a get well card.
A man Donald's age who is looking more and more like a Lard Lad fig-yor-een every day best keep his tongue in check. The beet- faced angry old rich guy hollering at all The Injustice, and shaking his little paw at the sky about black folks and immigrants is not exactly an inspiring archetype in 2016.
Be classy Donald and send a get well card.
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First of all -- It took 90 minutes for them to get a story together. Second, the doctor did not say "he" diagnosed her on Friday -- he probably just repeated what he was told. Third, why did she go to fund raiser on Friday after where she called Trump supporters "despicable"? She wasn't sick then -- but that's the day she got a diagnosis?
Shows the very first thing the Clintons do is lie.
Shows the very first thing the Clintons do is lie.
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You can have walking pneumonia and still go about your daily job; lots of people do. They also see a doctor to make sure they get treatment, as she did.
Did you expect Clinton to stop on her way to the van, while she was feeling unwell, and address reporters to pre-emotively explain her pneumonia diagnosis instead of just going on her way to recover? Did you expect her doctor and campaign managers to immediately talk to the press about it instead of waiting for her to recover and getting her permission to disclose the diagnosis? She rehydrated, recovered, rested, and then the information was issued. Terrible thing, your having to wait those 90 minutes.
Did you expect Clinton to stop on her way to the van, while she was feeling unwell, and address reporters to pre-emotively explain her pneumonia diagnosis instead of just going on her way to recover? Did you expect her doctor and campaign managers to immediately talk to the press about it instead of waiting for her to recover and getting her permission to disclose the diagnosis? She rehydrated, recovered, rested, and then the information was issued. Terrible thing, your having to wait those 90 minutes.
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@ Jayme
She may have been thinking of "despicable" but she said "deplorable."
She may have been thinking of "despicable" but she said "deplorable."
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My understanding is that, knowing she had pneumonia, HRC went to the Ground Zero ceremonies when she should have been in bed. Someone give her credit, pls, for trying to tough on out on a day and at a place that was obviously important to her. A videoclip of her half-collapsing is less scary than a photo of DJT chowing down to a Mac and fries or a bucket of fried chicken. And they're both 70 years old?
For the life of me, I can't understand what's wrong, or inaccurate, about referring to half of DJT's supporters deplorable, though I wouldn't have resorted to "half" as a rhetorical flourish. He's given a home to the worst of the American community. He's made it clear, by his failure to denounce then, that racists, bigots, and misogynists are welcome into his tent. Of course that's deplorable.
For the life of me, I can't understand what's wrong, or inaccurate, about referring to half of DJT's supporters deplorable, though I wouldn't have resorted to "half" as a rhetorical flourish. He's given a home to the worst of the American community. He's made it clear, by his failure to denounce then, that racists, bigots, and misogynists are welcome into his tent. Of course that's deplorable.
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What I find amusing is the fact that it's attitudes like yours that will secure Trump a landslide victory in November. The people you disparaged in your post are the majority in America, as you and everyone else on the Left will learn on 11/8/16, much to your chagrin I might add.
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Just a little too much schadenfreude from the Trump supporters in comments here. She will get well with appropriate meds and some time and care. The mental health issues and willful ignorance of Donald Trump need a lot more than that to be remedied. Ask yourself if a man being played by Putin with flattery is a man whose finger should be on the nuclear button. Ask yourself if a man who benignly accepts the support of David Duke and his odious followers should be POTUS. Ask yourself if a man who has hired the alt right head of Breitbart to be his campaign CEO, knowing that the alt right is blatantly anti-Semitic, racist, sexist, and xenophobic, is the man to lead the US. Trafficking in hate and vitriol is Trump's trademark.
On her worst day, Hillary Clinton is more knowledgeable and capable of being POTUS than Donald Trump on his very best day. We have to hope she recovers soon. Too much depends on her defeating him in November.
On her worst day, Hillary Clinton is more knowledgeable and capable of being POTUS than Donald Trump on his very best day. We have to hope she recovers soon. Too much depends on her defeating him in November.
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Looked like somebody spiked the punch.
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By the way and not that the nutbars will care, but if Trumpy had a physical last week, his labs should all be back by now--axtually, they shoulda been back for days.
Most of this stuff's automated: my bloodwork all comes back within 72 hours, at most, has for years.
Of course more arcane tests can take longer. So what's Trumpy covering up?
Oh, and we do all know it'll be a cold day before this clown releases his records, let alone his taxes, yes?
Most of this stuff's automated: my bloodwork all comes back within 72 hours, at most, has for years.
Of course more arcane tests can take longer. So what's Trumpy covering up?
Oh, and we do all know it'll be a cold day before this clown releases his records, let alone his taxes, yes?
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He's apparently waiting to disclose his "large numbers," which he's sure he'll have, on the Dr. Oz show. Apparently he may also discuss his health plan for the nation. Can't wait.
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What happened to Mrs. Clinton at yesterday's ceremony could happen to anyone if you don't prepare. I was a healthy 19-year-old soldier when I passed out at a military parade once, and learned to prep myself before such occasions with orange juice and candy bars. Someone from her staff should have made sure she was similarly stoked for this event, especially considering her illness. Do we need to see anyone's medical records due to something like this? I don't think so. Considering their respective ages, if both candidates have survived this endurance test so far, one's conclusion must be that they are in good shape. I would be more interested in hearing a pledge from both that if some major health issue does arise, they would be honest and forthcoming about it even if it means the end of their campaign.
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I think both Trump and Clinton look bloated and unhealthy. It is probably time for our presidential candidates to prove that they are in shape enough to vigorously excercise for a half hour. Bring on the press and the videos and record the show. Hillary on a treadmill and Trump on a treadmill, or some other device. At least Bill Clinton jogged, and Bush rode a bike, Obama plays basketball and looks fit as does his wife. Use them as our example for the candidates. We certainly do not need a grandfather or a grandmother waddling about and nodding out as president..Vote for Jill Stein.
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I certainly think the Obamas are real role models in terms of what we should expect of middle-aged polliticians, middle-aged anybody come to think of it. Unfortunately, both Clinton and Trump are elderly, beyond midde-aged, and I don't know what the standard should be for them. Bill Clinton and George W were much younger in office when they were jogging and biking. George HW was older, but still at least 10 years younger than HRC and Trump when he took office.
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The first rule of any politician is to focus upon what appears to others to be so rather than what one sees from one's own perspective to be so, which I think Clinton finds less natural than has her husband. Clinton is a high achiever who seems determined to leave nothing to chance in her endeavor to succeed. She has a strong sense of responsibility for what she does. That kind of determination usually makes for a strong need for time apart to recreate and to recharge which would explain why when confronted with the personal attacks intended to provoke anger and resentment she tries to brush them away too swiftly and without careful consideration, it's nonsense when she needs some space with which she has no patience.
Trump has no sense that anything that he does really matters much for very long, so he takes nothing seriously for very long, and he is just never going to over do it because of any drive to succeed in anything. He's not going to come down with exhaustion or any illness because of any endeavor, and if he screws up because of something he overlooked, well that's life.
Do you want a President who cares enough to compromise her health or one who cares not at all and will compromise the lives of all others for lack of commitment.
Trump has no sense that anything that he does really matters much for very long, so he takes nothing seriously for very long, and he is just never going to over do it because of any drive to succeed in anything. He's not going to come down with exhaustion or any illness because of any endeavor, and if he screws up because of something he overlooked, well that's life.
Do you want a President who cares enough to compromise her health or one who cares not at all and will compromise the lives of all others for lack of commitment.
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Wow, Hillary gets a cold and the press freaks out. How about Trump's mental health? That's something I'm actually concerned about.
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Who among us could keep to this grueling schedule day after day in the face of the alt-right 'deplorables' ? Take care of yourself and get well soon Hillary -- we're with you all the way...
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You mean like 75 year old Bernie?
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Yes, jetting to all those $100K/plate fundraisers on both coasts is so-o-o strenuous.
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Ryan B.: No, not Bernie. He was running out of gas having to say the same thing over and over and over.
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They can say pneumonia until they're blue in the face, but America is not buying it. The woman is sick with a lot more than that. Has been for years and is daily getting worse. She has, at the very least, advanced Parkionson's Disease and you have to wonder what else. That wretched woman is sick mentally and physically. Look at her. Listen to her. And then try with all your might to find something, anything, redeemable about her. A sick pathological liar. Great, just what the country needs.
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And you are a doctor? You've examined her, read her medical history, seen her test results?
Thought not.
Thought not.
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Have you ever known a person who had advanced Parkinson's disease?
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Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign just made a massive error. We'll know within the next few weeks if the error will prove to be catastrophic.
On Sunday, Clinton abruptly left a Manhattan ceremony marking the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. A video shows her shakily stumbling while trying to get into a van to leave. The candidate's physician later offered this explanation: Clinton has had an allergy-related cough for some time, and during an examination on Friday, the Democratic nominee was diagnosed with pneumonia, put on antibiotics, and told to take time out to rest.
Compare this timeline to details from Hillary Clinton's public schedule and behavior over these same two days.
After Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia and put on antibiotics, she did not take time out to rest. Instead, she attended a fundraiser featuring Barbra Streisand. Then on Sunday, she attended the 9/11 commemoration, became "overheated," and woozily wobbled rather dramatically. Ninety minutes later she told the press she was "feeling great."
It was only a few hours later when her campaign finally announced that she has pneumonia and is recovering.
So even after she collapsed, the campaign decided the ruse would continue. It arranged for the candidate to make her curbside declaration of wellness, even bringing on the girl to give her a "spontaneous" hug. (Clinton's protection detail would never have permitted a genuinely spontaneous embrace on the street, even by a child.)
On Sunday, Clinton abruptly left a Manhattan ceremony marking the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. A video shows her shakily stumbling while trying to get into a van to leave. The candidate's physician later offered this explanation: Clinton has had an allergy-related cough for some time, and during an examination on Friday, the Democratic nominee was diagnosed with pneumonia, put on antibiotics, and told to take time out to rest.
Compare this timeline to details from Hillary Clinton's public schedule and behavior over these same two days.
After Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia and put on antibiotics, she did not take time out to rest. Instead, she attended a fundraiser featuring Barbra Streisand. Then on Sunday, she attended the 9/11 commemoration, became "overheated," and woozily wobbled rather dramatically. Ninety minutes later she told the press she was "feeling great."
It was only a few hours later when her campaign finally announced that she has pneumonia and is recovering.
So even after she collapsed, the campaign decided the ruse would continue. It arranged for the candidate to make her curbside declaration of wellness, even bringing on the girl to give her a "spontaneous" hug. (Clinton's protection detail would never have permitted a genuinely spontaneous embrace on the street, even by a child.)
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Don't you love how the Hillary haters look for any pathetic speck of evidence to prove she can't be president? Meanwhile, the RNC specifically chose Reagan because they had his medical records when he was Gov. of CA and KNEW he was already in the 1st stage of Alzheimers. But, being a man, that's not a problem right boys?
If Hillary can't be president because she has pneumonia, how do you plan to allow Trump to be president when syphilis has so obviously damaged his brain? That will happen when you go looking offshore for wives.
If Hillary can't be president because she has pneumonia, how do you plan to allow Trump to be president when syphilis has so obviously damaged his brain? That will happen when you go looking offshore for wives.
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Once again, the NYT tries to make itself more relevant by auditioning again to be part of the "deplorables"...tell us again why this is an issue? Because you keep parroting the GOP hacks' statements about it, or are you able to come up with a logical reason of your own that doesn't fit the narrative of the sexist double-standard you have been applying to HRC for the last two years?
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Just observations: First - the press (and neo-fascist Trump campaign leaders) are way out of line expecting instantaneous 'reports' from the Clinton campaign. Some media talking heads have slobbered all over themselves because it took 90 minutes for the Clinton folks to explain why she left the memorial service. There is no excuse for the rabid treatment. Second - the biggest problem to arise from these past four days is not that she called half of Trump supporters 'deplorable' - that is a fact, though probably better left unsaid. The biggest problem is that she apparently thought she could breeze through the weekend and not mention that she had pneumonia. That sort of unnecessary secrecy is HORRIBLE for election turnout. Even long-term supporters like myself wonder whether why she isn't learning from these experiences and being more transparent. Is she afraid the Trump campaign will pounce on any weakness? Heck - the jackals are pouncing on everything. Fulfilling the Trump conspiracy fantasies isn't doing Secretary Clinton - and more importantly, the true patriots in America - any good. It is selling the country to the neo-fascists and racists.
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This whole episode merely reinforces the most basic lesson taught in PR 101. Get your story out first, including the stuff you really don't want the other side to talk about. This lesson could not be more important during a time when nearly everyone is able to record events on a camera phone at any given moment. This latest controversy doesn't need to be one but now, as I listen to NPR this morning, even they are questioning whether or not they minimized serious questions about Mrs. Clinton's health. For those us of who are truly concerned that the presidency could be won by Trump, a narcissist, and most likely a psychopathic personality whose only real policy concerns are applause, winning, and personal power, this is beyond frustrating. A year from now, if Trump is Commander in Chief, we will remember this morning as the day a completely treatable and commonplace medical condition felled our nation.
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Our son worked under Hillary at the State Department. He said she was indefatigable as SOS. Any issues she's having with her physical health pale in comparison to the mental health issues exhibited by Trump.
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at least Gregory House used differential diagnosis....
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I'd rather have a presidential candidate whose problems are physical than psychological.
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Like many Americans, I'm no fan of either Hillary nor Trump. Politics aside, let's objectively examine this woman's repeated history of poor judgement.
She loots the White House while moving out, behaving like a hillbilly.
Her choice to use a private server while SOS and the massive email deletion by a team of lawyers speaks volumes about her obsessive need for secrecy. Her blatant disregard for following the rules speaks volumes about her. Hillary Clinton is more Nixon than Nixon.
Her refusal to release transcripts of her Wall Street speeches.
Her blatant lie about being under sniper fire.
There is clearly something significantly wrong with her health and she has no business running for President. She's not up to the task and may be risking her health and life by stubbornly pressing on. Does this show good judgment?
If she's being treated with antibiotics, it would indicate that her alleged pneumonia is bacterial...so why would she deliberately go out in public, kiss a child and then retreat to her daughter's apartment after collapsing, running the risk of infecting other people?
The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This woman is hell-bent on becoming the first woman President. I will sit this election out (the first time I have ever done so) rather than cast my vote for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.
Sad, indeed...
She loots the White House while moving out, behaving like a hillbilly.
Her choice to use a private server while SOS and the massive email deletion by a team of lawyers speaks volumes about her obsessive need for secrecy. Her blatant disregard for following the rules speaks volumes about her. Hillary Clinton is more Nixon than Nixon.
Her refusal to release transcripts of her Wall Street speeches.
Her blatant lie about being under sniper fire.
There is clearly something significantly wrong with her health and she has no business running for President. She's not up to the task and may be risking her health and life by stubbornly pressing on. Does this show good judgment?
If she's being treated with antibiotics, it would indicate that her alleged pneumonia is bacterial...so why would she deliberately go out in public, kiss a child and then retreat to her daughter's apartment after collapsing, running the risk of infecting other people?
The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This woman is hell-bent on becoming the first woman President. I will sit this election out (the first time I have ever done so) rather than cast my vote for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.
Sad, indeed...
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Just to pick a couple of your comments: she has said she will release transcripts of her speeches when others do. Why should she be unilaterally required to do so?
Regarding her health: are you a doctor? Have you examined her? Seen her medical history and test results? Didn't think so. Many people are able to go about their work when they have walking pneumonia. Not all pneumonia is the same, or affects people the same.
Antibiotics are often given to prevent secondary infection, not necessarily because the infection is bacterial. I had a really vicious viral bronchitis this spring and was given antibiotics -- my first in nearly forty years -- because it lingered so much that a secondary infection developing was something to be headed off. Most pneumonia, particularly outside of respiratory illness season, is not infectious at all (NPR had a doctor on air discussing this, this morning).
Regarding her health: are you a doctor? Have you examined her? Seen her medical history and test results? Didn't think so. Many people are able to go about their work when they have walking pneumonia. Not all pneumonia is the same, or affects people the same.
Antibiotics are often given to prevent secondary infection, not necessarily because the infection is bacterial. I had a really vicious viral bronchitis this spring and was given antibiotics -- my first in nearly forty years -- because it lingered so much that a secondary infection developing was something to be headed off. Most pneumonia, particularly outside of respiratory illness season, is not infectious at all (NPR had a doctor on air discussing this, this morning).
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Melinda: Don't forget the $10,000/night "for rent" sign on the Lincoln Bedroom. More "hillbilly" behavior (in more than one sense of the term)--you might even say it's the behavior of someone who belongs in a basket of "deplorables." In any case, a real class act.
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We will now see whom Trump's Deplorable contingent are by the way they treat Hillary's malady. They will be the ones who show no sympathy, who actually express joy at the thought that their odious demagogue candidate Trump has a snowball's chance in Hades of pulling out a victory come November the 8th.
Those who simply oppose Hillary for political reasons will hopefully see that Hillary's fortitude, determination and resilience, by choosing to come to the 9/11 memorial when she should have stayed home, for fear of offending someone who would take her absence as a slight.
I am an old codger who has lived through some of the greatest and worse leaders in the past century, and if I had my druthers I would vote for Hillary in a coma instead of a billionaire blowhard con man who doesn't have a clue as what to do when he's conscious.
I am also old enough to have experienced two presidents, FDR and JFK, whose "disabilities" today would exempt them from serving. I am glad that didn't happen. I am glad we had the extremely long service of FDR and the tragically short tenure of JFK. And when it comes to Hillary, I am with her as long as she wants to keep working for US.
DD
Manhattan
Those who simply oppose Hillary for political reasons will hopefully see that Hillary's fortitude, determination and resilience, by choosing to come to the 9/11 memorial when she should have stayed home, for fear of offending someone who would take her absence as a slight.
I am an old codger who has lived through some of the greatest and worse leaders in the past century, and if I had my druthers I would vote for Hillary in a coma instead of a billionaire blowhard con man who doesn't have a clue as what to do when he's conscious.
I am also old enough to have experienced two presidents, FDR and JFK, whose "disabilities" today would exempt them from serving. I am glad that didn't happen. I am glad we had the extremely long service of FDR and the tragically short tenure of JFK. And when it comes to Hillary, I am with her as long as she wants to keep working for US.
DD
Manhattan
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It's time for Hillary to go to the Veteran Administration Hospital in Washington DC where I go and get a complete physical. Of course she may die before getting a appointment. And the doctors we have are only interns so she may not believe much of what they say. Maybe then a politician will truly try to fix the VA. I do hope she gets better I'm also a gay man and fear the alternative.
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The Washington Post has a far more complete story on the implications of Secretary Clinton's pneumonia than what is below here, telling us that pneumonia is very common and highly unlikely to be serious if not caught in a hospital. It's at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/09/12/what-hilla...
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NPR discussed it this morning too, particularly the fat that not all pneumonia is deathly serious, and that outside of peak respiratory illness season, it is unlikely to be infectious as well.
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Hillary Clinton's stranglehold on the Democratic Party derives from the fund-raising prowess of her husband, Bill Clinton. Having sold their souls thusly, the Democrats have now reached their day of reckoning. They are going to lose this election, one which they could (and should) win because they have a candidate nobody trusts. Thanks for nothing.
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If Hillary really cared about what was best for the US, she would gracefully bow out of the race now. Her departure would not costs the Democrats a single vote. - not one. Indeed, if an untainted nominee were allowed to step in, he/she would likely win in a landslide.
But we all know, that is not going to happen, and that is because it's about the Clintons, and what they want, not what's best for the rest of us. We are going to have to ride the Clinton train to the end of the line, for better or worse.
But we all know, that is not going to happen, and that is because it's about the Clintons, and what they want, not what's best for the rest of us. We are going to have to ride the Clinton train to the end of the line, for better or worse.
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The one debate I will be watching this fall is the vice presidential one. Given the physical health concerns about Clinton and the mental health ones about Trump, I expect our next President will be either Kaine or Pence.
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Eisenhower suffered a major heart attack and that did not prevent him from being re-elected.
Yes, somehow, for some reason, having pneumonia is grounds – according to the Alt-Right – for Hillary Clinton to be disqualified.
Reagan was undoubtedly suffering from early dementia from his Alzheimer’s disease while serving his second term. He should have resigned.
I suppose that we had better ask if the candidates had chicken pox as children and, if yes, demand that they get a shingles shot.
Yes, somehow, for some reason, having pneumonia is grounds – according to the Alt-Right – for Hillary Clinton to be disqualified.
Reagan was undoubtedly suffering from early dementia from his Alzheimer’s disease while serving his second term. He should have resigned.
I suppose that we had better ask if the candidates had chicken pox as children and, if yes, demand that they get a shingles shot.
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I lived in D.C. under the Reagan/Nancy administration. He had full blown Alzheimers when he left office. It was public knowledge; Nancy protected him and ran the WH; she was thoroughly disliked by most of the staff.
This reminds me of when Jeb Bush was governor in Florida, and he went into full right wing frenzy/chicken running around nuttiness,- he got into his helicopter in DC to land in televised klieg lights and to butt into Terry Schiavo's family quarrel about end of life issues. It was too much for Americans- they hated old Jeb for exploiting someone else's business and the government intrusion by the governor who didnt even know them.
Trump's oily friends running his campaign are entertaining themselves with Clinton's pneumonia but everyone else sees plain old Being Ugly.
Trump's oily friends running his campaign are entertaining themselves with Clinton's pneumonia but everyone else sees plain old Being Ugly.
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I am for Hillary. Having said that, I wonder when her campaign team will learn to get ahead of the game. I would think by now they would understand transparency is the winner in this race.
Still, I understand why FDR refused to be seen in his wheelchair, Americans like their leaders to appear invulnerable, standing straight and tall, ready to defend our shores. Imagine if we had a different president during the depression and into the World War II. It is the iron will of character that carries the moment, something Donald Trump lacks and pneumonia cannot tarnish.
Being ill is simply being ill, rest and medication will remedy that. Her clear thinking aggressive pursuit of the presidency is still alive. I am sure the republicans will make hay out of this moment, which will distract us from the very real and serious issues facing this country.
Rather than be grateful that people can become ill, recover and still do a great job, it will be yet another e-mail moment. This is the mantle taken up by the first serious woman candidate.
I pray that Hillary takes the time to rest, trust her constituents to speak for her while she is quiet and have faith in the hearts and minds of reasonable thinking voters. Is that even possible? Still to stand under the scrutiny of the media, while your opponent hurls hate filled attacks, traveling and maintaining a rigorous schedule while being sick says something about her stamina under pressure. So I say, lets give that girl a cape.
Still, I understand why FDR refused to be seen in his wheelchair, Americans like their leaders to appear invulnerable, standing straight and tall, ready to defend our shores. Imagine if we had a different president during the depression and into the World War II. It is the iron will of character that carries the moment, something Donald Trump lacks and pneumonia cannot tarnish.
Being ill is simply being ill, rest and medication will remedy that. Her clear thinking aggressive pursuit of the presidency is still alive. I am sure the republicans will make hay out of this moment, which will distract us from the very real and serious issues facing this country.
Rather than be grateful that people can become ill, recover and still do a great job, it will be yet another e-mail moment. This is the mantle taken up by the first serious woman candidate.
I pray that Hillary takes the time to rest, trust her constituents to speak for her while she is quiet and have faith in the hearts and minds of reasonable thinking voters. Is that even possible? Still to stand under the scrutiny of the media, while your opponent hurls hate filled attacks, traveling and maintaining a rigorous schedule while being sick says something about her stamina under pressure. So I say, lets give that girl a cape.
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Perhaps Clinton's Secret Service staff needs better training. My knowledge of treatment of a person who has collapsed or fainted would require that the person be immediately placed in a prone position. Instead, her entourage grabbed her with some force and literally shoved or manhandled her into the waiting vehicle. Prior to that, she appears to have been held erect by her burly aides. One wonders who was calling the shots here. Was her staff more concerned about her health scare or the optics surrounding her premature departure?.
It seems amazing to this commenter how many supporters regard this health matter as a trivial incident. Persons with pneumonia typically do not collapse. And why was she rushed to Chelsea's apartment when protocol would have called for immediate transfer to a medical facility. What is she had suffered a stroke?
Further, why was a totally misleading statement issued by her staff regarding the cause of the incident? What is the cause had been more serious? Does no one care about Hillary Clinton the person?
I certainly hope that she quickly returns to a healthy state and continues to actively campaign, but our two candidates deserve more competent, better
trained Secret Service companions.
It seems amazing to this commenter how many supporters regard this health matter as a trivial incident. Persons with pneumonia typically do not collapse. And why was she rushed to Chelsea's apartment when protocol would have called for immediate transfer to a medical facility. What is she had suffered a stroke?
Further, why was a totally misleading statement issued by her staff regarding the cause of the incident? What is the cause had been more serious? Does no one care about Hillary Clinton the person?
I certainly hope that she quickly returns to a healthy state and continues to actively campaign, but our two candidates deserve more competent, better
trained Secret Service companions.
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I hope that, if I faint in public, no one places me in the prone position, with my face on the ground and my ample derrière sticking up. Of course, that may be part of the "protocol" of which you speak.
A totally off-topic reply. Of course, no competent EMT would leave the person who fainted face down. But they definitely should be prone. Syncope results from insufficient oxygenated blood to the brain. Keeping the patient erect simply exacerbates the issue. Placing the patient prone permits the syncope condition to resolve by permitting blood to flow to the brain. If you know of any other medical protocol for syncope, you should have offered it.
I assume that you have no medical training and offered your comment simply as a joke.
I assume that you have no medical training and offered your comment simply as a joke.
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A chest x-ray is not an absolute requirement toward making a pneumonia diagnosis. A good clinician can use auscultation and percussion to arrive at the diagnosis. With that said, it's perplexing that she didn't receive a more timely diagnosis considering the coughing fits she suffered last week.
Even a properly treated pneumonia can lead to a persistent, nagging cough for weeks or even months afterward. I hope that doesn't continue to be an issue as she recovers.
I agree with the many other readers who compliment her spirit to continue campaigning despite the toll the illness has taken on her!
Even a properly treated pneumonia can lead to a persistent, nagging cough for weeks or even months afterward. I hope that doesn't continue to be an issue as she recovers.
I agree with the many other readers who compliment her spirit to continue campaigning despite the toll the illness has taken on her!
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The disconcerting part to me isn't the medical issue. It's Clinton's reaction to an ostensibly non-issue. Truly bad luck for Clinton but no game-changer if pneumonia and dehydration are the worst of her problems. More troubling is the fact that Clinton couldn't just say "I've got the flu" before an incident happened. Instead, we have Clinton half fainting her way off stage at the 9/11 memorial then twice ducking her own press entourage. That doesn't look great.
Public scrutiny today is absurd compared to FDR's time. Maybe that explains Clinton's behavior. Trump is certainly no better. However even back then, FDR went to great lengths to disguise his own physical disability and later misrepresented his medical condition. The old adage "you're not getting FDR out of the White House without a coffin" was suspiciously prescient. Maybe FDR considered his condition treatable. Perhaps he thought his fortitude was vital to national interests. Either way, he still essentially lied to the American public in a big way.
Would voters have elected a President Truman in 1944? Probably not. Would voters elect a President Kaine or a President Pence today? Probably not. So why can't Clinton just provide some clarification without crisis? I don't need a full medical history but we don't need Clinton vomiting on another dignitary like Bush Sr. either. That's Clinton's real problem: the public can't separate the big lies from the little ones.
Public scrutiny today is absurd compared to FDR's time. Maybe that explains Clinton's behavior. Trump is certainly no better. However even back then, FDR went to great lengths to disguise his own physical disability and later misrepresented his medical condition. The old adage "you're not getting FDR out of the White House without a coffin" was suspiciously prescient. Maybe FDR considered his condition treatable. Perhaps he thought his fortitude was vital to national interests. Either way, he still essentially lied to the American public in a big way.
Would voters have elected a President Truman in 1944? Probably not. Would voters elect a President Kaine or a President Pence today? Probably not. So why can't Clinton just provide some clarification without crisis? I don't need a full medical history but we don't need Clinton vomiting on another dignitary like Bush Sr. either. That's Clinton's real problem: the public can't separate the big lies from the little ones.
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Andy, FDR led the country through a Depression and most of WWII, the latter from a wheel chair. He wore leg braces and used a cane; he was right to believe that Americans needed him to appear strong; those were tough times. He is recognized as one of our greatest Presidents: Social Security and WWII leadership, until Stalin when he was weak and very ill. Unfortunately, he didn't take Churchill's advice. He remains a heroic figure, as does Churchill. I was a little girl when the war started, and only just 9 when it ended. My parents listened to FDR on the radio; I grew up with him.
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Many responsible physicians have commented on Hillary's Coumadin use and the need for a current neurological evaluation. Obama's doctor Dr. David Scheiner (a Clinton supporter) has said "she's on Coumadin, a medication to prevent blood clots," he continued. "You have to monitor that and it says she's being monitored regularly. I'd like to know how well she's being controlled. That's a difficult drug to use." Dr Scheiner also stated that Hillary's doctor's letter is well written but "not enough".
I hold no truck with the conspiracy theorists but the candidate's health is a matter of legitimate public interest. Not a chance the press will follow up on that because they have thrown their professional ethics out the window and have gone back to being disreputable partisan flacks.
I hold no truck with the conspiracy theorists but the candidate's health is a matter of legitimate public interest. Not a chance the press will follow up on that because they have thrown their professional ethics out the window and have gone back to being disreputable partisan flacks.
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Agreed. Ongoing Coumadin use contributed to my mother-in-law's death after a hemorrhage. I will vote for HRC, but feel that more information should be released on her health.
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This is very convenient. I don't believe she has pneumonia. But it is being billed as such to remediate the damage her poor physical and mental health is causing her. And the fake pneumonia diagnosis will also conveniently be the cause of her freakish coughing and choking episodes.
I just hope she can go the distance, because if she had to step down, virtually anyone else on the ticket would have a much better chance of defeating Donald Trump.
Hilary is hated! And if people actually used their brains to assess what she stands for, they would see clearly that Trump will actually get something done in this country that she would never even attempt; very simply because he will be an advocate of the people. Hilary is an advocate of Hilary! So is Bill, but he just happens to be likable.
I just hope she can go the distance, because if she had to step down, virtually anyone else on the ticket would have a much better chance of defeating Donald Trump.
Hilary is hated! And if people actually used their brains to assess what she stands for, they would see clearly that Trump will actually get something done in this country that she would never even attempt; very simply because he will be an advocate of the people. Hilary is an advocate of Hilary! So is Bill, but he just happens to be likable.
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There's definitely more here than she is revealing-hiding her full medical history isn't going to boost her trustworthiness. The video left me wondering what is really wrong with her.
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Wishing you speedy recovery. Will here be congressional hearing that Secretary Clinton has pneumonia? I rather have someone with pneumonia than someone with mental problem.
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First of all, I am pretty sure that this is not pneumonia, second if this would be pneumonia there is another issue, going outside and not being hospitalized...she really is irresponsible as this illness is contagious, she can infect other people
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It's just pneumonia. If you're lucky enough not to have had pneumonia, congratulations. It's major symptom is that you're tired and weak. Your body not only needs rest, it demands it.
I first developed pneumonia when I was 17 and my body pretty much folded. I thought I just had a cold and tried to ignore it. I was as tough as most teens but suddenly I was too weak to stand up, much less go to work. I finally went to a doctor who told me I didn't have a cold, but had bronchitis and double pneumonia. I took two more days off work (for a total of three days off) and was fine.
After that, I had pneumonia frequently, but it was the result of allergies. Once you know the symptoms, you can get more sleep at night and can usually fight through it. I rarely bothered to stay home from work.
I finally saw an allergist who figured out what I was allergic to. Once my allergies were controlled and I had a pneumococcal vaccine, I stopped getting pneumonia and haven't had it in years.
It sounds like Hillary has developed allergies, which can apparently appear or get bad enough to be annoying at any point in life. If indeed she's had a chronic cough (which only Trump seems to be bothered by), it could simply be allergies. Her physician will handle it.
While pneumonia is a miserable way to spend a few days, it's not a big deal. It's treatable and not contagious. Let her rest. It's not an indication that she's not well enough to be POTUS.
I first developed pneumonia when I was 17 and my body pretty much folded. I thought I just had a cold and tried to ignore it. I was as tough as most teens but suddenly I was too weak to stand up, much less go to work. I finally went to a doctor who told me I didn't have a cold, but had bronchitis and double pneumonia. I took two more days off work (for a total of three days off) and was fine.
After that, I had pneumonia frequently, but it was the result of allergies. Once you know the symptoms, you can get more sleep at night and can usually fight through it. I rarely bothered to stay home from work.
I finally saw an allergist who figured out what I was allergic to. Once my allergies were controlled and I had a pneumococcal vaccine, I stopped getting pneumonia and haven't had it in years.
It sounds like Hillary has developed allergies, which can apparently appear or get bad enough to be annoying at any point in life. If indeed she's had a chronic cough (which only Trump seems to be bothered by), it could simply be allergies. Her physician will handle it.
While pneumonia is a miserable way to spend a few days, it's not a big deal. It's treatable and not contagious. Let her rest. It's not an indication that she's not well enough to be POTUS.
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Thank you for clarification on that matter. Unless you have had pneumonia you don't know that it can start with allergies. I had a cough for months before my cough turned into pneumonia. Then it took months before my cough went away. Everyone just needs to lay off on her. She will make a great president.
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In defense of Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton, and her campaign, it was a Friday when she was diagnosed with pneumonia. It was the Friday before 9/11. Has it not occurred to anyone that maybe Mrs. Clinton and her campaign did not want to reveal her pneumonia at that time out of RESPECT for the anniversary of 9/11 which was coming up immediately? Friday news day was the day that major news announcements about the event would be coming forth. Why would she want to interfere with those announcements? She is not the media hogging Republican candidate. She doesn't think the world revolves around her. She is the Democratic candidate and her history proves that she cares about the people around her. She has a special place in her heart for the families of the 9/11 victims. Why would she want to put herself in a position to detract from their anniversary by announcing about her health on the Friday before the event? It just is another example of one of the ways that Mrs. Clinton puts the needs of others above her own.
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"She is the Democratic candidate and her history proves that she cares about the people around her"
Wonder what Ambassador Stevens would say about that. Oh, never mind, he's dead because Hillary couldn't concern herself with properly protecting him.
Wonder what Ambassador Stevens would say about that. Oh, never mind, he's dead because Hillary couldn't concern herself with properly protecting him.
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Since the women of Honduras weren't exactly "around" her, I guess that explains that little adventure which largely got swept under the rug by the MSM. Just another "oops-sorry-I made a mistake" moment.
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It was due to Hillary Clinton's work that medical treatment for first responders was finally funded. The Republican Congress fought her all the way, but she got that coverage. Bless her.
Enough with this double standard. Every single thing Hillary Clinton does or thinks is put under a microscope.
Yet, everything Donald Trump "thinks" or does is given a pass and repeated uncritically ad nauseam, no matter how outlandish, no matter how repugnant, and no matter how many legitimate questions and controversies exist in his life.
If the Times wants to get off its duff and start engaging in legitimate political journalism, how about investigating and reporting on Trump's shell-game business practices? How about his glowing "medical letter" that reads as if were written by a boisterous sophomore? How about his connections to sleazy Russian oligarchs? How about his taxes? How about the rape allegations?
And how about, instead of one well-written and well-researched article, you maintain the endless and repetitive coverage you've given to every Clinton non-story?
Or would that not be "balanced" enough?
Yet, everything Donald Trump "thinks" or does is given a pass and repeated uncritically ad nauseam, no matter how outlandish, no matter how repugnant, and no matter how many legitimate questions and controversies exist in his life.
If the Times wants to get off its duff and start engaging in legitimate political journalism, how about investigating and reporting on Trump's shell-game business practices? How about his glowing "medical letter" that reads as if were written by a boisterous sophomore? How about his connections to sleazy Russian oligarchs? How about his taxes? How about the rape allegations?
And how about, instead of one well-written and well-researched article, you maintain the endless and repetitive coverage you've given to every Clinton non-story?
Or would that not be "balanced" enough?
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I believe the electorate would be well serviced if the media and the New York Times spent more time reporting on Tim Kaine, his background, voting record, core principles, temperament, etc. so he can be adequately vetted as a potential President.
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Luckily we have the video, otherwise the wall of "nothing to see here" from the Clinton team might had have worked covering this up.
If this would have happened to Bernie or Trump, collapsing and being hoisted into the car like a corpse, everyone would be calling for them to drop out - which she should do - but she won't because she is the anointed Wall Street War Queen and must be installed into office at all costs.
If it really is only pneumonia, a bacterial disease anybody could catch, but which can be bad news for old folks like Mrs.Clinton, with rest, rehydration and antibiotics, in a couple of weeks she's likely to make a complete recovery.
The entire DNC political operation plus their affiliated media were sent out earlier to batter everybody raising health concerns over the candidate as right wing conspiracy nuts.
The cynicism is now on full display for the American electorate to see.
Bad strategy and bad judgement, yet again.
Unfortunately, Hillary won't step down as long as she has a pulse, she is far to selfish to care about the greater good.
She'd rather see the county led by a racist, bigoted baffoon than recognize that she just isn't going to be president, all because the arrogance of a handful of political insiders and the plutocratic billionaires who fund them.
The DNC should be ashamed.
The bigger thing here is that she is dealing with this the same way she dealt with the email server: small lies that are only corrected when caught.
How did that work out?
If this would have happened to Bernie or Trump, collapsing and being hoisted into the car like a corpse, everyone would be calling for them to drop out - which she should do - but she won't because she is the anointed Wall Street War Queen and must be installed into office at all costs.
If it really is only pneumonia, a bacterial disease anybody could catch, but which can be bad news for old folks like Mrs.Clinton, with rest, rehydration and antibiotics, in a couple of weeks she's likely to make a complete recovery.
The entire DNC political operation plus their affiliated media were sent out earlier to batter everybody raising health concerns over the candidate as right wing conspiracy nuts.
The cynicism is now on full display for the American electorate to see.
Bad strategy and bad judgement, yet again.
Unfortunately, Hillary won't step down as long as she has a pulse, she is far to selfish to care about the greater good.
She'd rather see the county led by a racist, bigoted baffoon than recognize that she just isn't going to be president, all because the arrogance of a handful of political insiders and the plutocratic billionaires who fund them.
The DNC should be ashamed.
The bigger thing here is that she is dealing with this the same way she dealt with the email server: small lies that are only corrected when caught.
How did that work out?
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The Republicans should be ashamed by electing Trump to run as a Republican candidate. They knew from the primaries what type of person he is. Don't blame this on the Democratic party. Mrs. Clinton has more knowledge than what Trump will ever have. His plans and his loose speech will get us in a war within months. His so called plans are all talk, he will build a big beautiful wall and Mexico will pay for it. Sure they will. Do your homework and research both candidates.
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At least the RNC let the process play out honestly. Whether you--or they, for that matter--like it or not, the people had their say. The DNC, not so much.
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@ Vickie
I usually don't reply to people that insinuate that I didn't do my homework or researched both candidates. But I make an exception for you so that you don't have to do your research.
While Mrs.Clinton probably "has more knowledge than what Trump will ever have", she has used that knowledge to instigate or support regime change (Iraq, Lybia, Syria,...) or supported coups against democratically elected sovereign governments (Honduras, Haiti, Egypt,....), on top of her neoliberal corporatist policies that have brought misery to countless people around the globe.
So even - and that's a big even - "His plans and his loose speech" COULD "get us in a war within months", her previous record and proposed policies such as a no-fly zone in Syria are MOST CERTAINLY going to get us into further conflict, possibly into an armed conflict with Russia, who holds the world's second largest nuclear arsenal.
As to the DNC, there is no question anymore (facts, see WikiLeaks) that they tipped the scale in favor of Mrs.Clinton, robbing the primary process of its democratic legitimacy.
Hope this was helpful.
I usually don't reply to people that insinuate that I didn't do my homework or researched both candidates. But I make an exception for you so that you don't have to do your research.
While Mrs.Clinton probably "has more knowledge than what Trump will ever have", she has used that knowledge to instigate or support regime change (Iraq, Lybia, Syria,...) or supported coups against democratically elected sovereign governments (Honduras, Haiti, Egypt,....), on top of her neoliberal corporatist policies that have brought misery to countless people around the globe.
So even - and that's a big even - "His plans and his loose speech" COULD "get us in a war within months", her previous record and proposed policies such as a no-fly zone in Syria are MOST CERTAINLY going to get us into further conflict, possibly into an armed conflict with Russia, who holds the world's second largest nuclear arsenal.
As to the DNC, there is no question anymore (facts, see WikiLeaks) that they tipped the scale in favor of Mrs.Clinton, robbing the primary process of its democratic legitimacy.
Hope this was helpful.
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Sec. Clinton's extreme penchant for secrecy has again caused her to commit campaign malpractice, turning pneumonia into a major health 'scandal' that was completely avoidable. Hillary, why don't you learn from your past mistakes???? we need you to be a better candidate and prevent Donald Trump from becoming President. And this on top of the 'basket of deplorables' comment. Who is responsible for such a terrible remark? It made you sound just like Mitt Romney!!! Heavens! Joe Biden and Pres. Obama: HIllary and her staff need an intervention!!!
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Why is it news that HC currently has pneumonia? Would it also be news if she had the flu? Are people at the Times surprised to discover that she is in fact a human being who is sometimes unwell, rather than a robot?
Yes, of course, it would be news if a candidate for president had a chronic illness, or God forbid, something life-threatening. Apart from that, I am not interested in being regaled with irrelevant details of candidates' private lives, as in this breathless Times story.
Yes, of course, it would be news if a candidate for president had a chronic illness, or God forbid, something life-threatening. Apart from that, I am not interested in being regaled with irrelevant details of candidates' private lives, as in this breathless Times story.
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I am crossing the Atlantic on the QM2 and the majority of people we meet and speak to are of many different nationalities. ALL are afraid. All are wondering why a country they admire has gone so whacko to even consider a Trump. Every one is afraid and perplexed. They ask us over and over, why, how, what will you do?
In Halifax, on a docking, a woman was sell if t-shirts saying "Canada is Trump free". People were buying them in droves.
Like it or not, we still lead the world. Her illness is nothing compared to the sickness Trump will spread if he gets to office.
In Halifax, on a docking, a woman was sell if t-shirts saying "Canada is Trump free". People were buying them in droves.
Like it or not, we still lead the world. Her illness is nothing compared to the sickness Trump will spread if he gets to office.
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Hillary Clinton has pneumonia - so what. It is an easily treated disease that in no way disqualifies her from the Presidency. It does not affect her mentally or in any other way except for this disease which will be gone long before she is President. Trump has released no medical information other than that crazy letter from his crazy gastro doctor. So he does not have a stomach issue what about the rest of him including his mental capacity. A lot of anger and prejudice could be a early sign of dementia or worse. The news media has been anything but fair. Look at the two foundations and how they have been reported.
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Thank you for your service??? A day after 9/11??? What a pack fools HRC has collected!
If "service" is spending an entire month running with the bi coastal elite and collecting money to continue to fund her lifestyle, then by all means keep it up. The Pay to Play game is on full view and her Poll numbers are plummeting. Her latest "show" with her health is just another reinforcement of the scam being run by HRC and her band of racketeers.
The rest of us "deplorables" know a rigged game when we see one.
If "service" is spending an entire month running with the bi coastal elite and collecting money to continue to fund her lifestyle, then by all means keep it up. The Pay to Play game is on full view and her Poll numbers are plummeting. Her latest "show" with her health is just another reinforcement of the scam being run by HRC and her band of racketeers.
The rest of us "deplorables" know a rigged game when we see one.
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Unfortunately, the Times contributes to the "scandal." That is the real scandal here. Someone has convinced the paper that frequently emulating supermarket tabloids will grab attention. They are certainly right in that. However, in the process they are sacrificing the only things they have to sell: credibility and thoroughness.
A current article and headline support what many commenters are saying. To put it simply, the article does not justify the headline. In addition one might accurately say that the headline does not justify most of what is included in the article (e.g. unsupported assertions that the head of the Federal Reserve is taking orders from the President.)
September 12 headline:
"Donald Trump Sends Hillary Clinton a ‘Get Well’ Message for Her Pneumonia"
From the article:
"Donald J. Trump tried to strike a magnanimous tone about the illness that overtook Hillary Clinton this weekend...."
"They say pneumonia — on Friday but she was coughing very, very badly, a week ago and even before that if you remember,” Mr. Trump said. “It’s very interesting to see what’s going on.”
"Mr. Trump also expressed concern that the system was being rigged against him. In the CNBC interview he said that the presidential debates should have no moderators because they are unlikely to treat him fairly. And he suggested that President Obama was compelling the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low so that the economy remains artificially strong under his watch."
A current article and headline support what many commenters are saying. To put it simply, the article does not justify the headline. In addition one might accurately say that the headline does not justify most of what is included in the article (e.g. unsupported assertions that the head of the Federal Reserve is taking orders from the President.)
September 12 headline:
"Donald Trump Sends Hillary Clinton a ‘Get Well’ Message for Her Pneumonia"
From the article:
"Donald J. Trump tried to strike a magnanimous tone about the illness that overtook Hillary Clinton this weekend...."
"They say pneumonia — on Friday but she was coughing very, very badly, a week ago and even before that if you remember,” Mr. Trump said. “It’s very interesting to see what’s going on.”
"Mr. Trump also expressed concern that the system was being rigged against him. In the CNBC interview he said that the presidential debates should have no moderators because they are unlikely to treat him fairly. And he suggested that President Obama was compelling the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low so that the economy remains artificially strong under his watch."
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Margaret Thatcher tripped outside the Great Hall of the People after a meeting with Deng Xiaoping. Hillary can one up her by being dragged out of a meeting with Putin or Xi.
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When George Bush vomited at an international dinner, it made the news very briefly and then it was gone. That was good. Now that so many people have phones with video and cameras, we get to see every detail, no matter how unimportant or uninteresting. I can't really believe it was at all helpful or necessary to post the video. And are we still talking about it? Maybe Trump should tell us the next time he has diarrhea (the greatest and the best!) Let's actually talk about important information related to the candidates.
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The HW vomiting story was pretty huge at the time, and made the rounds on all the late night talk shows/SNL etc. Hillary's "stumble" happened just yesterday. It's a big story, and the media should be reporting on it.
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Claiming her problem is pneumonia is a great head fake.
She can hole up in Chapaqua for a couple weeks on doctors orders where they can replace missing screws or whatever it is that has her wheels falling off.
The unfortunate thing for her is that no matter what she says, nobody will believe her given her long distance relationship with Mr. Truth.
She can hole up in Chapaqua for a couple weeks on doctors orders where they can replace missing screws or whatever it is that has her wheels falling off.
The unfortunate thing for her is that no matter what she says, nobody will believe her given her long distance relationship with Mr. Truth.
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Stumble? Really? She collapsed and was caught by her Secret Service protection before hitting the ground. Stumble? I wish her a speedy recovery, but but it is absolutely amazing what lengths the press will go to at marginalizing anything that stands in the way of her trek to the White House.
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PLEASE, Secretary Clinton, GET INTO BED FOR A WEEK AND REST. Far better to fully retreat for one week to restore your health and then bolt back out there than to soldier through and compromise your health for the rest of the campaign. Leave for one week and do so with CONFIDENCE. Boy, do you deserve that. And all best wishes for a full recovery.
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I'm not worried about Sec. Clinton's pneumonia. She'll be treated and it will pass. I'm more worried about the aftermath that the Republicans will create now attempting to base her "inability to lead" on her health.
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Yeah, Trump was right all along, sure. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The fact remains that HRC has give us medical info and that even a strapping youth can be felled by pneumonia, with no concerns about long-term effects. Trump has not given us any real info on his health (that letter from his doctor was clearly a sham and that doctor should be cited by the medical board- he looked like Peter Sellers in "The Wrong Box!")
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Trying to explain the lapse of judgement that the campaign exhibited by not being open and transparent, saying that "we've learned from our mistakes" is not something one wants to hear less than 60 days out from the election from a woman who has been First Lady, a senator, Secretary of State and has run for president previously. As she did when she ran against Obama, Clinton assumed she would be the nominee, she underestimated her competition. She came into this campaign laboring under the same assumption. Yes, she has a tremendous amount of experience, which is why she should exhibit better judgement. I fear that unless she steps down, Trump will be president, a terrifying scenario. As a progressive Democrat, I'm greatly concerned about Clinton's health and about her lack of transparency.
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I see there is a Crocodile Tear on your Bernie Tee.
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It's not the illness as such. It's the continuing lies and lingering questions about her judgment in not being open with the American people. Why couldn't she just have said on Friday she's taking a few days off because she's been diagnosed with pneumonia? We would have understood. Instead she covers it up, and then when she faints on 9/12, it's the effects of the heat and humidity. Then we learn later that it's walking pneumonia as if she didn't know she had already been diagnosed. It's the emails all over again where there is always a tortured new correction.
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Nonsense. Pure, utter nonsense.
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I had walking pneumonia and thought I had a bad cold and persistent cough; finally went to the doctor because I was tired and couldn't shake the cough. That is when my doctor told me I had walking pneumonia with potential airways infection. Went on antibiotics, stayed home a few days and rested. Went back to work and finished the antibiotics. How many Times readers have had the same thing? Why is this being blown up? Slow news day? Why not cover the fraudulent Trump U scandal which cost poor people and old people $35,000 each for bogus degrees? Or his history of STD's? Why not cover his sons' business interests in Russia? Your paper has documented multiple loans to Trump from Russian oligarchs. Keep going; this man and his family should never occupy the White House after the family we have had there for almost eight years.
Maybe this will all work out for the best... President Kaine sure sounds a lot better than Clintrump.
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I'm laughing at all of these comments accusing Mrs. Clinton of having Parkinsons. I just love all of these armchair "doctors" trying to diagnose Mrs. Clinton. I wonder if any of them will ask for Donald Trump to have his head examined.
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Like Hillary, we are all subject to transient medical illnesses. Unfortunately, the illness Trump has will always be with him, affecting him every day.
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Let's be clear. The video reveals that her legs totally gave out and even her ankles were limp. She did not merely stumble as is being widely reported. She collapsed and was carried (albeit vertically) at a height to enable her toes (given that her feet her hanging limp) to the vehicle. She needs to release her up-to-the-moment medical records.
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Has any of the current posters ever lived through an East Coast humid, hot summer and fall? I did, for years. I dehydrated at the beach in Westport, CT and almost fainted trying to get into the shade. It happens. I cooled off, got a soda, and rested. Then, I went home.
Does no one remember Gerald Ford's multiple falls? Bush Sr. vomiting, then fainting, on the Japanese president, Bush Jr. choking on a pretzel? And JFK, a war hero with very fragile health for the rest of his life after serving his country. And then there was that president in a wheel chair ...
Now candidates and Presidents are meant to be super humans, too, who never get sick? Better tell Trump this, since he's 70 years old.
Now candidates and Presidents are meant to be super humans, too, who never get sick? Better tell Trump this, since he's 70 years old.
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FDR saw us through a Depression and almost through WWII. He had polio, wore leg braces and walked with a cane. He ended up in a wheel chair. His presidency was an act of courage and strong character; my parents loved him.
Honestly, the idiocy of the statement that they will call on her to release more medical records???? Trump puts out a letter from his doctor indicating "astonishingly excellent" and they are going to talk about pneumonia?
This campaign year is an embarrassment for this country.
This campaign year is an embarrassment for this country.
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This woman is not well. Here's a better video, showing the original and an enhanced close up at 0:20
http://dailym.ai/2cQQsGE
Yet before it was acknowledged that she had pneumonia, we were told that she simply "overheated". Of course, we are now supposed to believe them when they say it's pneumonia. Just a few days ago, the media was abuzz with "Where Is Hillary?"
http://bit.ly/2cDveJW
Well, now we know -- maybe. She is seriously ill yet this was hidden from us purposely.
http://dailym.ai/2cQQsGE
Yet before it was acknowledged that she had pneumonia, we were told that she simply "overheated". Of course, we are now supposed to believe them when they say it's pneumonia. Just a few days ago, the media was abuzz with "Where Is Hillary?"
http://bit.ly/2cDveJW
Well, now we know -- maybe. She is seriously ill yet this was hidden from us purposely.
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The wonder is running for president doesn't kill everyone who tries.
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Your newspaper's and Ms. Rodham Clinton's insistence on labeling any adverse reports on the Clintons as "conspiracy theories" has grown extremely tiresome. For your newspaper, it is unbecoming, especially given your prior history with the Pentagon Papers. For Ms. Rodham-Clinton, it is inconsistent with her own famous conspiracy theory relative to "the right wing".
As a long-time reader and a native of New York State, I expect objective and thorough reporting from the newspaper heralded in my youth as the font of journalistic excellence. If there are specific allegations, investigate them and furnish your readers the report in detail. Do not dismiss them as "conspiracy theories" in concert with a candidate who has hypocritically raised vague and impossibly broad allegations herself.
As a long-time reader and a native of New York State, I expect objective and thorough reporting from the newspaper heralded in my youth as the font of journalistic excellence. If there are specific allegations, investigate them and furnish your readers the report in detail. Do not dismiss them as "conspiracy theories" in concert with a candidate who has hypocritically raised vague and impossibly broad allegations herself.
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If Mrs. Clinton has to release more info on her health because of this common ailment and the pressure from the media then Mr. Trump has to release his tax returns. And to be fair, the press should be just as unrelenting about the tax returns as they are about Clinton's health since that is a far more troubling matter. Pneumonia is a common ailment, that comes in a few different varieties and strikes folks of all ages. As a child I had what was then called walking pneumonia. FDR led from a wheelchair, JFK had Addison's disease and so on - heck didn't Pres Bush the elder get a flu and vomit at a State dinner in Japan. Fact of life, people get sick. Today's sensationalism about this is unreal. Come on folks give it a rest.
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She probably will release her health records, she's already released a 2-page summary. But The Rump will not release his medical records, nor his tax returns which would show more sickness than any medical records can show. The illness? Greed!
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It's an allergy! No, it's pneumonia! What's next? The cover-up is always the trip-up. HRC p.r. took bad news & made it worse, arousing the curious to look further. Very poorly handled.
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This is true, but it's probably also why Clinton chose not to publicize her pneumonia diagnosis:
"Hillary Clinton is 68 and has been coping with extreme pressure..."
She knew that publicizing her pneumonia diagnosis would lead voters to wonder whether she could handle the job, and so she kept it to herself. I think Trump would have done exactly the same thing. I sure would have.
"Hillary Clinton is 68 and has been coping with extreme pressure..."
She knew that publicizing her pneumonia diagnosis would lead voters to wonder whether she could handle the job, and so she kept it to herself. I think Trump would have done exactly the same thing. I sure would have.
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No Trump would have said 'this is beautiful, buhleave me...' everyone should be as lucky as me to have pneumonia in the middle of the campaign. And look how much you all love me to care I have it. This is the best pneumonia anyone ever had.
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The truly sad part of this story is that some of us will take this recent bout of pneumonia and tug it back into the past, a year or more, and somehow connect it to her falling and suffering a concussion so the issue remains a confused and conflated set of notions that will be labeled "Hillary's Health" and from which the conclusion will certainly be draw -- "Unfit to Serve."
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Trade you health records for tax records.
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If you have pneumonia you are contagious. She is out exposing other people, and hugging little girls on the sidewalk even though she knows she's contagious but wants more to hide her illness? Sums up the Clinton conceit.
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So many people on this thread were fretting yesterday about what Trump would do with this situation. Turns out, Mr. Trump took the high road, and simply stated he hopes Mrs. Clinton gets well soon.
Some of you should be embarrassed for always thinking the very worst about your opponents.
Some of you should be embarrassed for always thinking the very worst about your opponents.
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Yes, where would we ever get the notion that Trump wouldn't take the high road?
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He doesn't need to say anything else. Everyone else is.
I'm not buying it. Pneumonia does not make you fall down and lose your balance. "Walking pneumonia," if that is what she really has, is pneumonia you are not aware of as you go about your daily business, but her doctor supposedly diagnosed her with pneumonia last Friday. If this is accurate, why would she continue with the fundraiser that same day? Why on Sunday would her staff still insist it was only a reaction to the heat? The cover-up continues. It's all a matter of her handlers thinking up of something that will distract from the continuing questions.
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Both candidates need to be transparent about both their medical and financial records.
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Enough with the false equivalencies. Clinton is being transparent to every reasonable expectation. Trump is not being transparent at all. TRUMP needs to be transparent about his medical and financial records.
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Pneumonia? OK. Must not be very serious, otherwise she would be hospitalized. Nice cover story, doc, now let's have the truth about HRC's physical (and mental) condition. Thank you.
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I think that is the same thing that Lenin is being treated for.
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frankly I understand the desire to believe that everything will be alright re: Hillary Clinton. but there is something amiss. there is more to this story than "conspiracy theories." everyone wants to believe that she is "fine." people who are fine do not routinely pass out or sustain repeated falls the way HRC does. Trump is a travesty yes, but HRC is not much better. she is hiding something, and it is not something minor.
and i would shocked to see my comments published. the NYT has a tendency to engage in censorship removing comments that do not toe the party line. at least WaPo is just a tad more unbiased.
and i would shocked to see my comments published. the NYT has a tendency to engage in censorship removing comments that do not toe the party line. at least WaPo is just a tad more unbiased.
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If you want to know the true story, head over to the Washington Post.
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Now there's a quid pro quo. Tax returns for medical records. Get to it.
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1421 comments so this simple observation is all too late. A look at Readers' Picks and Times Picks shows that all the top ones are concerned with Trump or simply wish Hillary well.
Why not: When there is an apparent medical problem issue a truthful statement based not on a Clinton or Trump personal observation but on a doctor who is named.
If this had been done as quickly as possible and in more detail than I can get from the quotations she would have set the standard for Trump to follow.
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Why not: When there is an apparent medical problem issue a truthful statement based not on a Clinton or Trump personal observation but on a doctor who is named.
If this had been done as quickly as possible and in more detail than I can get from the quotations she would have set the standard for Trump to follow.
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Now if only the Left had extreme talk radio blanketing America, we'd be hearing about how Trump's Russian handlers are poisoning an American presidential candidate to swing the election in their preferred direction - as they did in the Ukraine, while Trump's former campaign manager was in their pay. But most of us on the left are a bit too sane actually to believe that and a bit too decent to claim it when it probably isn't true.
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Actually, that's occurred to me. After all, the Russians HAVE actually poisoned people - we know that for a fact - so it's a real possibility, not like the loony conspiracy theories promulgated by rightwing hate radio.
I hope she gets tested for this.
I hope she gets tested for this.
Yet a reason more to support her and show affection; she is giving her all; she is putting America before her health, unlike hardhearted Trump which is putting his arrogance, megalomania, racism, misogyny and xenophobia first. She will be a very brave Madam President.
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She certainly showed affection when it came to hugging that little girl. Knowingly exposed her to a dangerous disease, but showed affection none the less.
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She did not hug her; she kept the little girl at a safe distance. And anyway it is always good to show affection; Trump's very cold slaps on the shoulder are certainly not enough.
There is no positive outcome for Hillary with this. If we take it as is reported, that she has pneumonia, then there is a huge range of implications that are not positive. She is not in good health. She has clearly been struggling health-wise for a long time and the pneumonia only shines a bright light on that. If we take this as reported, we know she's known she has pneumonia since Friday, and has been out and about with it, even hugging kids. You just don't do this with pneumonia--no matter who you are. It is dangerous for her and it is dangerous for those she comes into contact with.
For those who do not believe the story as reported, well, then you'd have to wonder what awfulness exists that pneumonia, of all things, sounds like a more positive story that you'd want people to believe. This is bad.
For those who do not believe the story as reported, well, then you'd have to wonder what awfulness exists that pneumonia, of all things, sounds like a more positive story that you'd want people to believe. This is bad.
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So, is it a cough due to allergies, or pneumonia?
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I hope some time soon, the media will see that HRC is not telling us the truth.
Her falls, her coughs, her facial paralysis, and her collapses are signs of something far more important-she is suffering from Parkinson's disease.
And this diagnosis disqualifies her medically from the Presidency.
Her falls, her coughs, her facial paralysis, and her collapses are signs of something far more important-she is suffering from Parkinson's disease.
And this diagnosis disqualifies her medically from the Presidency.
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We hope Hillary takes the time NOW to rest up and let her body and mind recover. Hope Chelsea & Bill sit on her for a week so that she is rested and well for the 26th. Time for Tim Kaine to step up his campaigning, and prove to all what a great choice she made for VP.
The whole country will have pneumonia and worse if Trump wins the election.
Yes, we want Hillary to get well soon, but most importantly we want her to get well completely, so she wins this most important election! Pneumonia can drag on and on if it is not treated with the respect it deserves - I know from a week's stay in the hospital 15 years ago.
The whole country will have pneumonia and worse if Trump wins the election.
Yes, we want Hillary to get well soon, but most importantly we want her to get well completely, so she wins this most important election! Pneumonia can drag on and on if it is not treated with the respect it deserves - I know from a week's stay in the hospital 15 years ago.
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If Hillary knew on Friday that she had been diagnosed with pneumonia why did she expose the little girl in Manhattan to her illness? Why was she hugging people at LGBT fundraiser? Talking up close to people at 9/11 ceremony?
This is not making any sense.
This is not making any sense.
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Because pneumonia isn't contagious...
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Pneumonia is usually a secondary infection--you have to have a cold or something first, or be debilitated by overwork or other matters. You don't just casually catch it from somebody.
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If she were sick with an infection it would have been honest to announce that. Rather, the dishonest Clintons created a doctor's statement after the incident which makes the story ripe with the potential of manipulation and Clinton cover up. Cover up is their mantra.
Stop covering up. It doesn't work. A doctor's statement won't work either. She has an ongoing condition causing these incidents which they are hiding. Why did they go to this doctor AFTER the incident for the phony pneumonia letter?
Stop covering up. It doesn't work. A doctor's statement won't work either. She has an ongoing condition causing these incidents which they are hiding. Why did they go to this doctor AFTER the incident for the phony pneumonia letter?
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"and what makes your voice do this?" Lol.
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Today, Hill is a collapsed hot mess. Tomorrow, a friend of Wall Street helping collapse the middle class.
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The middle class collapsed under Reagan, stayed collapsed under Bush/Cheney; Obama tried to help with his Jobs Bill. However, the Republican Congress decided it was better to stay in collapse, just in case one of the terrible candidates might have a chance at the White House.
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The terrible upside of this is the derision from Trump and his merry band of 'narrowminds about Mrs Clintons health. But also from the 'lamestream'press.. Yesterday, CNN and its so called 'breaking news team could barely contain themselves over 'Clintons' folly. The 15 second video of her stumbling, getting into the car was played 45 times to feed the sharks circling . All in the name of being first. Blitzer used to be regarded in a better light but he has evolved into FOX lite!
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Pneumonia is not fun. I don't care how "slight" anyone would want to call it, it takes it out of you to the core. I've been there and done it. Hillary hasn't helped herself by slogging around with a touch of something for awhile for sure. I know she doesn't want to "fall behind", but she will need to rest awhile.
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Pneumonia is the least of her problems. Every other statement out of her mouth is a lie. She thinks we Americans are as gullible as her husband. Pneumonia can be cured. Her cavalier attitude toward others is a like a disease for which there's no cure. Truman and Kennedy would be ashamed of her. She's not fit to lead this country.
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Hillary supporters refuses to consider that she might be seriously ill and they seem to think she subhuman and immortal. Reality check, she is not. she was human once upon a time. I am not a fan of Hillary and never have been. I have never been delused or mesmerized by anything she has done, so I don't have a cult mindset. What I saw from the out set back in 1992, 60 Minutes disturbed me. She was defiant in her defense of her husband even through he was lying and so was she.
However, the signs were there, she had embarked upon a path that she would never step off unless she carried off in box. She would be on call 24/7 for 40 years. Hillary offered up her soul, due to her own ambition, lacking wisdom when she signed on. Afterward pride prevented her from backing way so then she had the need to prove and convince herself that she did not sign her name in blood. What I saw back then was sad. When her story, the honest one is finally told it ought to be lesson to women and men be very careful what you wish for because you just might get it. The poem she loved so much told the story"A Great Big Ugly Man Came Up and Tied His Horse to Me,"
Since her head injury she acting strange, behaving strange and like that big ugly man her supporters believe she can do it even if she is flat on back and pump with dope simply to win an election. She has been dehumanized, she cannot make mistakes, she did not commit crimes for her handlers, she cannot get sick-- poor Hillary
However, the signs were there, she had embarked upon a path that she would never step off unless she carried off in box. She would be on call 24/7 for 40 years. Hillary offered up her soul, due to her own ambition, lacking wisdom when she signed on. Afterward pride prevented her from backing way so then she had the need to prove and convince herself that she did not sign her name in blood. What I saw back then was sad. When her story, the honest one is finally told it ought to be lesson to women and men be very careful what you wish for because you just might get it. The poem she loved so much told the story"A Great Big Ugly Man Came Up and Tied His Horse to Me,"
Since her head injury she acting strange, behaving strange and like that big ugly man her supporters believe she can do it even if she is flat on back and pump with dope simply to win an election. She has been dehumanized, she cannot make mistakes, she did not commit crimes for her handlers, she cannot get sick-- poor Hillary
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A picture is worth a thousand words.
Clinton is not besieged by the flu. She is in full loss of motor control. She does not look around, she stumbles, her head is like on a pike. At the beginning of the clip she is seen leaning against the pillar for support, then when coaxed to move by her NEUROSURGEON, she stumbles like a wooden marionette with cut strings. This is NOT pneumonia. Not once in this clip is she seen coughing. Not once do her hands go up to mouth to cover a cough. You do not see her body bend over as if gasping for air like when you have to cough really hard. This story about antibiotics?; it is a cover story. If the pneumonia were severe enough to incapacitate her, a full dose of intravenous would take a day or two to begin to clear things up during which time she would not even be able to breath properly.
What explains the stiff neck, the stiff walk, the paradoxical lack of ability to take a breath, the loss of coordination, the inability to walk or even step 10 feet into a waiting van while being assisted by a neurosurgeon?
They are hiding Hillary's VERY serious illness. Anyone looking can see it.
Anyone who doesn't see it is obviously denying the reality of what is right in front of them.
Clinton is not besieged by the flu. She is in full loss of motor control. She does not look around, she stumbles, her head is like on a pike. At the beginning of the clip she is seen leaning against the pillar for support, then when coaxed to move by her NEUROSURGEON, she stumbles like a wooden marionette with cut strings. This is NOT pneumonia. Not once in this clip is she seen coughing. Not once do her hands go up to mouth to cover a cough. You do not see her body bend over as if gasping for air like when you have to cough really hard. This story about antibiotics?; it is a cover story. If the pneumonia were severe enough to incapacitate her, a full dose of intravenous would take a day or two to begin to clear things up during which time she would not even be able to breath properly.
What explains the stiff neck, the stiff walk, the paradoxical lack of ability to take a breath, the loss of coordination, the inability to walk or even step 10 feet into a waiting van while being assisted by a neurosurgeon?
They are hiding Hillary's VERY serious illness. Anyone looking can see it.
Anyone who doesn't see it is obviously denying the reality of what is right in front of them.
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I thought going out there to honor the fallen was courageous.
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Well, her schedule for the next two days has just been canceled. Any bets on what malady her team concocts by Tuesday?
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Republicans have scandalized her contracting a case of pneumonia and they are near to making it a crime, as Socrates points out. If this isn't the essence of modern Republican electoral politics.
So here is the morphology of Republican electoral politics: First: Dukakis married to Willie Horton by Lee Atwater/and that nice man George Herbert Bush, then Democrats are murderers because they support abortion, even though God never did say that he\she was opposed to it!!!!Then Republicans got into the gay bashing business after Rove had so much success with it in Texas. Now it is clear that any old thing can be turned into a scandal: you don't have to engage in adultery, or have a husband that did, all you need to do is get pneumonia, and truth be told with the Donald can be scandalized even without that. We the full bore conspiracy theorist in our midst. He's a national inquirer level of ignoramus. Well folks I hope you can see from this history that the Republican Party cannot sink electoral politics much lower. It is a garbage democracy, brought to you by long years of scandalizing politics, criminalizing politics brought to you by Republicans who are fresh out of wedge issue, and will use anything and everything against you, including an illness that you got inadvertently. Woe unto the Republican democracy destroyers.
So here is the morphology of Republican electoral politics: First: Dukakis married to Willie Horton by Lee Atwater/and that nice man George Herbert Bush, then Democrats are murderers because they support abortion, even though God never did say that he\she was opposed to it!!!!Then Republicans got into the gay bashing business after Rove had so much success with it in Texas. Now it is clear that any old thing can be turned into a scandal: you don't have to engage in adultery, or have a husband that did, all you need to do is get pneumonia, and truth be told with the Donald can be scandalized even without that. We the full bore conspiracy theorist in our midst. He's a national inquirer level of ignoramus. Well folks I hope you can see from this history that the Republican Party cannot sink electoral politics much lower. It is a garbage democracy, brought to you by long years of scandalizing politics, criminalizing politics brought to you by Republicans who are fresh out of wedge issue, and will use anything and everything against you, including an illness that you got inadvertently. Woe unto the Republican democracy destroyers.
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Just for the sake of historical accuracy, it was Al Gore who first "married" Willie Horton to Mike Dukakis. You can look it up, it happened during the primaries.
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Why was Hillary Clinton wearing blue-tinted sunglasses on an overcast day in Manhattan when nobody (NOBODY!) anywhere (ANYWHERE!) in Manhattan was wearing sunglasses?
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It was not overcast yesterday, Sunday, when this video was filmed! In fact, you can see in this video that it was bright & sunny.
And how would you know in Texas what "everyone" was or was not wearing "anywhere" in Manhattan yesterday?!?
And how would you know in Texas what "everyone" was or was not wearing "anywhere" in Manhattan yesterday?!?
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How would you know what people on NYC were wearing???
You are in Texas.
It was very sunny in NY on Sunday--- lots of sunglasses
You are in Texas.
It was very sunny in NY on Sunday--- lots of sunglasses
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How ridiculous! The caption on the image downplays it as "Clinton loses balance...". Are you kidding me?!?!? Did you see the video?? She literally had to be pulled into her van, legs dragging behind, because her legs weren't working at all.
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are you guys watching the same video i'm watching?! if my mom appeared like this, i'd beg her to retire!
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That does it. I can't vote for a candidate who gets sick. Supertrump for me!!!!
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Did the Clinton supporters posting here watch the video? Is a symptom of pneumonia turning into total jelly and collapsing? And she presumably has been treated since Friday, so the symptoms should have been lessening. You do not have to be a Trump supporter or right-wing conservative to know that she is a very sick woman.
Also, what is someone with pneumonia hugging a young child?
Also, what is someone with pneumonia hugging a young child?
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The more I think about it, this is totally bizarre. They're still lying!
The leading candidate to be President of the United States passed out, the Secret Service lifted her into a van with her head down and her feet dragging behind her...and then the Secret Service took her to her daughter's apartment instead of a hospital?
At first they said she was simply "overheated" and "stumbled" while walking to her car. Then, once the video came out, they changed their story and said that she had pneumonia and fainted...and that the pneumonia was diagnosed on Friday.
But, a couple of hours later, she emerged from her daughter's apartment, smiling and waving? People who faint from pneumonia don't do that. If it's bad enough to make you faint, you're not walking and smiling a few hours later. I know. I've had pneumonia.
The leading candidate to be President of the United States passed out, the Secret Service lifted her into a van with her head down and her feet dragging behind her...and then the Secret Service took her to her daughter's apartment instead of a hospital?
At first they said she was simply "overheated" and "stumbled" while walking to her car. Then, once the video came out, they changed their story and said that she had pneumonia and fainted...and that the pneumonia was diagnosed on Friday.
But, a couple of hours later, she emerged from her daughter's apartment, smiling and waving? People who faint from pneumonia don't do that. If it's bad enough to make you faint, you're not walking and smiling a few hours later. I know. I've had pneumonia.
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When this is revealed to be a lie of omission, who will be held accountable?
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Enough, Ms Chozick. Seriously unprofessional to paint yet another disparaging picture. The culprit is pneumonia, not Secretary Clinton's "failure" to release medical records, which she has. And kicking her when she is clearly ill yet again is just plain obnoxious.
As for that "basket of deplorables," clearly they aree, if the ignorant conspiracy theorists on this board are any indication. And you just fuel their hateful lies.
As for that "basket of deplorables," clearly they aree, if the ignorant conspiracy theorists on this board are any indication. And you just fuel their hateful lies.
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Are we supposed to expect the President to never be capable of getting sick, especially when interacting with and being with 100's, if not 1000s of people daily? Sheesh we just brought the family back from a single trip to Orlando and I might be on day 10 of a sinus infection as a result.
As if getting sick somehow makes Trump the better candidate. This is so stupid.
As if getting sick somehow makes Trump the better candidate. This is so stupid.
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No, the president is entitled to a sick day. What the president is not entitled to is to lie about it.
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We saw her open a pickle jar. Maybe Jimmy Kimmel can have her open her various prescription pill bottles.
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Every one knows that the only ones who can open prescription bottles with no difficulty are children. My parents always left their bottles open for easy access.
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I never leave the doctor's office until the nurse has opened the prescription bottle for me. They are now child proof, and also old people proof.
Can't wait for the psychiatric evaluation of Trump...or, wait,...that's right... Psychiatrists, in the minds of Trump voters, are nothing but charlatans and quacks, therefore their evaluation of their man is meaningless if not a plot to smear their "candidate." On the other hand a "real" doctor diagnosed Sec Clinton with a real disease, pneumonia...but wait...the doctor was a woman, therefore she must be hiding the real medical threat to Ms Clinton. It's no doubt fatal and makes here unelectable. Be prepared, Democrats, this snide parody will happen unless the press stops concentrating on the Secretary and starts to gainsay EVERYTHING that Trump says.
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Personally, I can't wait to see his tax returns.
Crickets. Crickets. Crickets.
Crickets. Crickets. Crickets.
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I just hope she takes the time she needs to get better.
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I'm curious when (or if) anyone in the media will ask the obvious follow-up question: what type of pneumonia - there are dozens - does Clinton have? Although most reports (including the NYT's) assume a bacterial or viral pneumonia, I assume this is probably not the case or Clinton would not have "posed for pictures with a little girl on the sidewalk," which could expose the child to the infection.
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I am not a HRC supporter but I do hope she recovers and I wish her well.
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Guess it took the Clinton campaign two hours to concoct the "pneumonia" explanation. Would have expected a more rapid turn on the lie, but then again, these are the folks that voluntarily released thousands of emails without realizing many contained classified data.
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Classified after the fact; she released the same e-mails Powell did not mark with the Classified stamp. A small c in the margin does not qualify. Powell also had a personal server which Clinton inherited and used, because the State Dept. server was constantly hacked by Russian hackers. The current Congress has passed no legislation; they have not addressed infrastructure needs, or health care, or public education, or voting rights. They are rarely in D.C.; when they are it is a constant dialing for dollars. No one listens to them now. They shut down the government in D.C. at the height of tourist season, costing the Federal government millions of dollars. Now they are sitting in safe, gerrymandered seats.
Health is no issue for Hillary Clinton. Even if she were in a coma and on life support, her administration will burg nonbe far superior to anything a healthy Trump might put together with him at the helm!
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This woman looks like death eating a cracker and things aren't going to get any better. If she's this fragile now, how on earth is she going to perform her duties as president? Is that "body guard" with the syringes ALWAYS going to be next to her every time she collapses? I think we're in for more of this, especially when she has to deal with the next batch of her emails. She'll probably implode when Assange releases them
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God forbid a politician should get ill. I mean, they couldn't possibly be human, could they? I find this incessant whining for increased transparency to be utterly revolting. Is there no end to it? It's now apparent that we don't trust either candidate's doctors. So who can we trust to differentiate between the reasonable release of records and the public's salacious desire for our candidates to be subjected to a form of reality television?
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She has pneumonia. She's human. Meds, fluids, rest - that's what she needs. I would recommend she release her medical records to the media and ask for The Donald to do the same. It should be mandatory - after all, we are voting for the next leader of our country. We have a right to know if they're healthy or ill.
Get well soon, Hillary.
Get well soon, Hillary.
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A bit concerned that her campaign says she will come back to the trail Wednesday... Why not wait a bit and return robust rather than still weak? I am not a doctor, but anyone who has had pneumonia knows it takes longer than two days for it to get out of the system.
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"I'm fine" says candidate Clinton as she face plants into the pavement......."it's allergies" says her doctor....then, "no, wait, its pneumonia" says her doctor......the truth is, you never get the truth from the Clintons.....nothing is on the level with the Clintons.......anyone but a Clinton, please.
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I would check out the non-partisan Politifact's take on the candidates' veracity:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
vs.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
vs.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
This is, potentially, very serious. No healthy person should collapse as she did, and no presidential candidate who was "feeling great" would simply wave and say "I'm feeling great" without answering questions. And no, I don't trust her doctor to tell us the truth, or the full and complete story. Mrs. Clinton may well be in good health, but for now, at least, I'm going to trust my eyes and that video before anything else. It is within the candidate's power to answer these questions, and they are pertinent questions, regardless of what Trump (who is utterly unfit to be president) says or does.
Real simple: If you are a candidate for president and you collapse in public, as Clinton did, then you owe it to voters to release medical records that show that you're fit and in good health. Regardless of what your opponent says or does.
My interest in Kaine has grown exponentially. Sorry to sound dreary, but when FDR ran for a fourth term, the insiders knew that he wouldn't live to complete it. The insiders chose Truman, a virtual stranger to the president, as VP, and it proved to be, perhaps, the greatest service that any party has performed for this country.
I just want the truth. You can't trust any candidate in a situation like this. Events seem to have forced Clinton' hand. She needs to either release medical records or make the case that Kaine would be a capable vice president. It really is one or the other. I'm sure that Kaine would do a better job than Trump. Anyone would.
Real simple: If you are a candidate for president and you collapse in public, as Clinton did, then you owe it to voters to release medical records that show that you're fit and in good health. Regardless of what your opponent says or does.
My interest in Kaine has grown exponentially. Sorry to sound dreary, but when FDR ran for a fourth term, the insiders knew that he wouldn't live to complete it. The insiders chose Truman, a virtual stranger to the president, as VP, and it proved to be, perhaps, the greatest service that any party has performed for this country.
I just want the truth. You can't trust any candidate in a situation like this. Events seem to have forced Clinton' hand. She needs to either release medical records or make the case that Kaine would be a capable vice president. It really is one or the other. I'm sure that Kaine would do a better job than Trump. Anyone would.
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Were you in New York City anytime between Monday morning and Sunday morning? Especially formally dressed in a suit and shirt for a 4 or 5 hour ceremony. This incident occurred 90 minutes in to such a ceremoney on an oppressively warm and humid morning. You don't think it's possible for someone who may be tired, and who is taking antibiotics, to faint in those conditions?
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I understand her defensiveness and wish for personal secrecy etc after all the decades of attacks, but she is going to have to loosen this up, otherwise the attacks will only multiple and feed off each other. Trying to hid a diagnosis of pneumonia (how shaky that may have been) under her personal MD statements of "over heated and dehydrated" doesn't help her supporters or detractors. What does she have to lose?
We deserve better, the world deserves better, than either of these two candidates. What is plan B?
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@blue
Are you suggesting a candidate who doesn't even know "what" Aleppo is???
Are you suggesting a candidate who doesn't even know "what" Aleppo is???
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In this election , health is not an issue for Hillary Clinton. Even if she were in a coma and on life support, her administration will be far superior to anything Trump would come up with with him at the helm!
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Not to be all conspiracy but should someone with pneumonia go into a house with a 3 mos old baby?
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It's not contagious
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I'm 71 years old, and I'm not falling down all the time. In fact I haven't fallen down in years, I can't remember the last time I fell down. I don't need to have men standing around me at all times to catch me or to help me up the stairs, and I don't need to lean on stuff to stay standing.
In fact for recreation I ride horses, and I don't fall off of them either.
I'm no athlete. I'm a slightly overweight very ordinary 71 year old woman. This woman, who is three years younger than I am, is sick and needs to admit that and take better care of herself. (I had walking pneumonia, by the way, in my early 30's and I never fell down, but it took months of antibiotics to finally whap it down. If she thinks she'll be well next week she's delusional.)
OK running for President is stressful. So is being President. If she cannot stand the pace for any reason she should bow out.
And for a change her campaign should tell the truth.
In fact for recreation I ride horses, and I don't fall off of them either.
I'm no athlete. I'm a slightly overweight very ordinary 71 year old woman. This woman, who is three years younger than I am, is sick and needs to admit that and take better care of herself. (I had walking pneumonia, by the way, in my early 30's and I never fell down, but it took months of antibiotics to finally whap it down. If she thinks she'll be well next week she's delusional.)
OK running for President is stressful. So is being President. If she cannot stand the pace for any reason she should bow out.
And for a change her campaign should tell the truth.
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Piedmont is not New York, so wait until you spend your days running around doing your errands on foot, walking on ice and snow in the winter, etc., before you start bragging about how sure-footed you are. Living in Piedmont (and am I correct in assuming you refer to the all-white enclave of Piedmont, California, or perhaps you are from THE Piedmont in the south) doesn't being to compare to NY and you are in no position to judge.
To the best of my knowledge Mrs. Clinon isn't "falling down all the time," Do people in Piedmont have secret sources that indicate otherwise? It looked like she started feeling unwell on an oppressive morning in Manhattan (a morning I didn't even go out because I knew what it was like) when she was attending a public event that goes on for 4 or 5 hours wearing a suit and shirt. It looked like she fainted while about to get into the car. Probably would have been better if she had just been left to faint and fall in the street. But now we have this video for fantasists like you to anlayze ad infinitum.
To the best of my knowledge Mrs. Clinon isn't "falling down all the time," Do people in Piedmont have secret sources that indicate otherwise? It looked like she started feeling unwell on an oppressive morning in Manhattan (a morning I didn't even go out because I knew what it was like) when she was attending a public event that goes on for 4 or 5 hours wearing a suit and shirt. It looked like she fainted while about to get into the car. Probably would have been better if she had just been left to faint and fall in the street. But now we have this video for fantasists like you to anlayze ad infinitum.
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What does "all-white" have to do with anything? Typical liberal response--when you don't have an argument, make it about racism.
Piedmont, CA is hard core white Republican; I know this, because I have relatives who live there. Piedmont South, enough said. Both are racist enclaves.
My thoughts and prayers are with the Clinton family. I sincerely hope she makes a full recovery.
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I'm no conspiracy theorist :) But I am wishing I knew more about the fall in 2009, where she broke her arm so severely she needed surgery, and then the fall in 2012, where she had the concussion and blood clot. In 2009, she slipped. In 2012, she fainted from food poisoning, I think. And now she's fainted because of overheating. I am just wondering if there is a medical connection among these falls. Could be coincidental, I'm not pointing a finger. I am curious, though, and would be of any relative with a similar history.
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There should probably be a public physical examination of them both -- they get measured and weighed, maybe with just the BMI of each being revealed -- then get their BP, cholesterol and heartrate, but make it clear whether these are achieved with or without medications. If medications taken, reveal how long and at what levels. Serious previous medical conditions or hospitalizations revealed.
I wonder how an exam, disclosure like this would affect Biden, if he were selected to replace HRC. He had something very serious 5 or 10 years ago -- like a cerebral hemorrhage, from which he obviously recovered, but I wonder if disclosure of something like that would render him unelectable.
I wonder how an exam, disclosure like this would affect Biden, if he were selected to replace HRC. He had something very serious 5 or 10 years ago -- like a cerebral hemorrhage, from which he obviously recovered, but I wonder if disclosure of something like that would render him unelectable.
57 days till Trump becomes President, it's his to lose . Hillary Clinton is and was a bad choice, just way to controversial for most of America . Trump for all his warts , I'll give him four years to see if he can do something, anything to help this country, if not vote him out.
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"It's his to lose", and quite possibly, he will.
What? --You don't think all those Americans he's insulted repeatedly over the course of this campaign will come out and vote for him, do you???
What? --You don't think all those Americans he's insulted repeatedly over the course of this campaign will come out and vote for him, do you???
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Why is it that most of these commenters seem to think the only choice is HRC or DJT?
A few have pointed out that Bernie is still ready to pick up the reins, and that he is a huge positive for the DNC: he has none of the negative polling that HRC has, he would energize the electorate by bringing in millions of youth voters, he would turn the election discussion to actual issues and not personalities, he trounces DJT in polls, and he would have the Republicans on the run.
If HRC really cares for the future of this country, she will step down and let Bernie bring home the revolution.
By the way, if HRC stepped down, you know the fix was in if the DNC were to then pick Kaine over Bernie. It would be a travesty, as Bernie has the actual votes for him from the electorate.
A few have pointed out that Bernie is still ready to pick up the reins, and that he is a huge positive for the DNC: he has none of the negative polling that HRC has, he would energize the electorate by bringing in millions of youth voters, he would turn the election discussion to actual issues and not personalities, he trounces DJT in polls, and he would have the Republicans on the run.
If HRC really cares for the future of this country, she will step down and let Bernie bring home the revolution.
By the way, if HRC stepped down, you know the fix was in if the DNC were to then pick Kaine over Bernie. It would be a travesty, as Bernie has the actual votes for him from the electorate.
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Except Bernie's five years older and a socialist, with an iffy record of getting much done.
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In fact, the DNC is more likely to pick Biden, who was their first choice all along.
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If by "getting much done," you mean HRC's voting to support the Iraq War, or supporting DOMA, or supporting Wall St, yeah, OK.
But could someone please recognize that Bernie has been on the right side of history for decades now - universal healthcare in VT, support of gays in the military, etc, etc? Does this not count as "getting something done," now that the rest of society has seen he was correct after all?
But could someone please recognize that Bernie has been on the right side of history for decades now - universal healthcare in VT, support of gays in the military, etc, etc? Does this not count as "getting something done," now that the rest of society has seen he was correct after all?
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I am wondering if it is not a good opportunity for Hillary to withdraw from the campaign. If DNC designates now Tim Kaine as the presidential candidate, he may be an easy winner. I am for Hillary, and I will vote for her regardless, but all the ballast with the trust and health problems endanger all of us, the entire country, if the irresponsible with his cohorts becomes the president instead. So, Hillary, may be for the love of the country ........ ?
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Personally, I would rather have Biden enter the race.
Would that it be that women's bodies & the legislation that surrounds were as private as men's bank accounts.
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Bad optics, as the trendy jargon goes. On the second day every bit as much as the first. How do you unsee a video?
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People already don't trust her. She has been coughing for weeks. Then we get this pneumonia diagnosis. Since she is reportedly on antibiotics it must be viral pneumonia. She appeared to have fainted getting into the van. 90 minutes later she comes out and is feeling fine. She wouldn't be feeling fine if she has pneumonia. She wouldn't go from dehydrated to hydrated that quickly without an IV. She has had various symptoms for months. It only gets worse when they try to cover up her health issues.
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No, it must be bacterial. Antibiotics are useless against viruses.
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Well Hillary can recover fine,but I am afraid that Donald may need long term therapy for his illness
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If Hillary Clinton were President and seriously ill, she would still be far better for the country than a "healthy" Donald Trump. Hands down!
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I don't care if she's at Death's Doorstep! I'm still voting for her. That's why she made a very thoughtful VP choice in Tim Kaine. If the tables were turned and Trump's health would be doubtful, women everywhere would have to start putting together a monthly menstrual cycle report to a Pence administration.
BTW, while living in D.C. all through the 80's I seem to remember hearing a lot of chit chat about Reagan's mental status his last year. Anyone remember how First Lady Nancy would coach him during impromptu press encounters?
BTW, while living in D.C. all through the 80's I seem to remember hearing a lot of chit chat about Reagan's mental status his last year. Anyone remember how First Lady Nancy would coach him during impromptu press encounters?
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I do; I lived there and it was common knowledge he had early Alzheimers. Nancy ran the White House, and she ran him. And, does anyone remember that Nixon was diagnosed with clinical paranoia after he left office? The tapes and all the secrecy; the Watergate spying scandal? That said, both of them had some knowledge of government; Trump has none. He does not even have charm, or manners; he is an ignorant boor with a family to match. The sons who kill endangered wildlife? The daughter who bought toxic fabric from Bangladesh and made clothing from it? An international joke?
Perhaps most telling is that she had to issue a statement to HER OWN STAFF about her condition. Aren't they all on the same team? On the same mission? On the same email system? Oh wait...
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If you cannot properly handle the disclosure of an illness, what does it say about your qualifications to make much more complex decisions?
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Time to draft the Bern card?
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"Why is the Clinton campaign so fundamentally untrustworthy?"
Clinton is either telling the truth about her health or she's not. We'll probably find out which it is this week, assuming she releases her medical records as Trump promised this morning he would do.
If it turns out Clinton's coughing and fainting occurred for the reasons she gave (allergies and pneumonia), it will be unfair to say her campaign has been "untrustworthy" on this issue. If her medical records instead show those weren't the explanations, or if she declines to release enough medical records for people to figure out what the causes were, it will be fair to criticize her campaign for being "untrustworthy" on this issue.
We'll just have to wait and see. Shouldn't be more than a few more days.
Clinton is either telling the truth about her health or she's not. We'll probably find out which it is this week, assuming she releases her medical records as Trump promised this morning he would do.
If it turns out Clinton's coughing and fainting occurred for the reasons she gave (allergies and pneumonia), it will be unfair to say her campaign has been "untrustworthy" on this issue. If her medical records instead show those weren't the explanations, or if she declines to release enough medical records for people to figure out what the causes were, it will be fair to criticize her campaign for being "untrustworthy" on this issue.
We'll just have to wait and see. Shouldn't be more than a few more days.
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I want to see all of Trump's medical records; and, I want to see his tax records for all the years he was losing money in casinos and real estate.
I sincerely hope that Hillary takes care of herself and gets well soon. We ALL need her.
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Hillary is not sick , she does not lie
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Wishing Mrs. Clinton well, however that episode looked like a spasm of some sort. Nobody around her seemed too concerned and actually seemed to have handled her in this situation before.
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Here's to your return to good health, Hillary. At this point we are ALL sick and exhausted because of a presidential race that goes on and on and on. We all knew months ago which candidate was better suited for the highest office in the land. Yes, we need change. Shorten the length of time for campaigns! Let this be part of your agenda, Hillary, when you become president. Amen!
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Fever & cough are one thing, episodes of sumbling & drsgging one's feet are quite another. I am astounded by some medical professionals's blaming dehydration and prescribing rest & chicken soup, for God's sake!
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She ain't dead and her health records are better shielded from public scrutiny than her emails, so lets move on!
I doubt that Trumps health is beyond concern either.
I doubt that Trumps health is beyond concern either.
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kicksotic New York, NY 18 hours ago
My admiration for Sec Clinton just shot through the roof. To have her schedule, to still be campaigning, making speeches, enduring the interminable slog of a Presidential race under the often harsh, withering gaze of the media all while battling pneumonia is beyond admirable.
. . . I simply do not know where this woman finds her strength.
J.D. USA 18 hours ago
Flying all over the U.S., giving talks, meeting with citizens and officials, and serving as Secretary of State would be exhausting to ANYONE
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REALITY-CHECK: Flying around, and giving speeches within a protective cocoon, under 5-star conditions with a multitude of assistants to take care of all normal everyday worries should not be 'exhausting' to anyone
On top of this, she does fewer events than almost every candidate in history, especially if you take away the events she holds with the 1% behind closed doors. For the past 9 months or so, she has essentially been hiding out voters
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I am no HRC basher, I used to love her when she was 1st Lady, and Senator
At this point, she has become a sexist, campaigner to become Panderer-in-Chief
When Obama ran for POTUS, he NEVER, EVER, pitched his candidacy to the public on the basis, that somebody should vote for him because of the historical-ness of race, or that people should vote for him because he was an African-American
HRC, in contrast, seems to be basing about 2/3rds of her candidacy on the pitch nothing else but her gender
My admiration for Sec Clinton just shot through the roof. To have her schedule, to still be campaigning, making speeches, enduring the interminable slog of a Presidential race under the often harsh, withering gaze of the media all while battling pneumonia is beyond admirable.
. . . I simply do not know where this woman finds her strength.
J.D. USA 18 hours ago
Flying all over the U.S., giving talks, meeting with citizens and officials, and serving as Secretary of State would be exhausting to ANYONE
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REALITY-CHECK: Flying around, and giving speeches within a protective cocoon, under 5-star conditions with a multitude of assistants to take care of all normal everyday worries should not be 'exhausting' to anyone
On top of this, she does fewer events than almost every candidate in history, especially if you take away the events she holds with the 1% behind closed doors. For the past 9 months or so, she has essentially been hiding out voters
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I am no HRC basher, I used to love her when she was 1st Lady, and Senator
At this point, she has become a sexist, campaigner to become Panderer-in-Chief
When Obama ran for POTUS, he NEVER, EVER, pitched his candidacy to the public on the basis, that somebody should vote for him because of the historical-ness of race, or that people should vote for him because he was an African-American
HRC, in contrast, seems to be basing about 2/3rds of her candidacy on the pitch nothing else but her gender
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I am a big Hillary fan and wish her a very speedy recovery and a win in November. I am disappointed, however, in her lack of disclosure regarding the pneumonia diagnosis. Given Trump's known merciless attack methodology, her campaign should have immediately released accurate information regarding her condition and the necessary treatment and rest she would require. Just as an aside, I noticed she was overdressed (dark jacket) for such a warm day . Couldn't have helped, given how ill she felt. Get well soon, Hillary. The Country really needs you.
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Hillary, I disagree with you on so many things, but please get better.
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any candidate's health from 70 to 78 should be of concern. the only benefit to having an elderly president is that they will have less time to sell themselves afterward, as bill clinton was able to do. she shouldn't have tried to cover it up: another stupid hillary denial event. that has nothing to do with the election but it does seem to be a pattern with this person and her staff. why not just be forthcoming?????
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I would submit that she needs new staff and advisers. They should be advising her to (1) stay home when sick and (2) be transparent....yet they do not. They are doing her a great disservice.
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“FIT” to be President. What about Franklin D Roosevelt?
Let me start off by stating for the record, I am not a supporter of Hillary Clinton. My fear is that I anticipate more Socialist and Liberal views, and pandering to every specialist group that yells loud and demands catering to.
But this whole “Fit” to be President Issue to me is way out of hand. When I think back to one of the greatest president’s in history, Franklin D Roosevelt, I cannot even imagine how brutal the media would treat that man today. Would he have been there to lead us through the crisis that was World War II? Doubtful. The man could not walk without crutches and assistance, he could not even get of a car without assistance. The press was asked to not take photos of him getting out of cars, and they obliged. Compare that to the media today that takes a video of Hillary Clinton stumbling and then plays it on a continuous loop on every outlet possible. It is just ridiculous, and to me nothing but sensational tabloid journalism.
Yes, we need a President that is healthy enough to server out their term. But we even more so need a President that is MENTALLY capable to lead this country through these hard times. I will take an invalid Franklin D Roosevelt over a physically fit but mentally incompetent leader any day of the week
My food for thought.
Let me start off by stating for the record, I am not a supporter of Hillary Clinton. My fear is that I anticipate more Socialist and Liberal views, and pandering to every specialist group that yells loud and demands catering to.
But this whole “Fit” to be President Issue to me is way out of hand. When I think back to one of the greatest president’s in history, Franklin D Roosevelt, I cannot even imagine how brutal the media would treat that man today. Would he have been there to lead us through the crisis that was World War II? Doubtful. The man could not walk without crutches and assistance, he could not even get of a car without assistance. The press was asked to not take photos of him getting out of cars, and they obliged. Compare that to the media today that takes a video of Hillary Clinton stumbling and then plays it on a continuous loop on every outlet possible. It is just ridiculous, and to me nothing but sensational tabloid journalism.
Yes, we need a President that is healthy enough to server out their term. But we even more so need a President that is MENTALLY capable to lead this country through these hard times. I will take an invalid Franklin D Roosevelt over a physically fit but mentally incompetent leader any day of the week
My food for thought.
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Well said. And I cannot even imagine what an opponent like Trump would have shoveled at FDR for using crutches and a wheelchair.
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Back in the 30s and 40s', all FDR public photos are of him standing or sitting without any sign he cannot walk. People back then aren't as embracive of weakness as we are today.
The death of FDR on his last term is why the end of WW2 was so massy and so many conflicts remained unsolved today.
The death of FDR on his last term is why the end of WW2 was so massy and so many conflicts remained unsolved today.
The Donald has all the signs of an impending heart attack. He is overweight, red in the face, etc., but like his finances, we know nothing, and he continues to bamboozle those who endorse him, and seem willing to vote for him? We know nothing about his health, nor his finances. All we know for sure is that he is a consummate liar.
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Many of the comments seem to be focusing on the fact that Ms Clinton has been diagnosed with pneumonia and that is that. I don't think this is about her diagnosis. Ms Clinton continues to be dogged by the idea that she is not trustworthy and unfortunately this incident adds to and exacerbates this personality trait. Why didn't Ms. Clinton and her campaign just announce at the time of her diagnosis that she has pneumonia and will be taking a couple of days off the campaign trail. This probably would have kept her from making her "deplorable" remark which is also going to haunt her for the next few days. For the benefit of the country, Ms Clinton must learn that the American people are a forgiving people and she will do better to trust them rather than try to fool them.
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So I'm going to indulge in a little right-wing-ish conspiracy thinking for a moment. Seeing as how Trump has continuously chummed up to Putin, and since Putin has been known to use nefarious methods against his enemies by way of drug and illness, and that he has been interfering in the American election and seeing as how Trump and Bannon started the whole "Hillary is sick" meme weeks ago, couldn't it be possible that Putin got to Hillary? (I didn't even mention Manafort).
Just saying.
Even on her worst day, she's stronger than most!
Just saying.
Even on her worst day, she's stronger than most!
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"couldn't it be possible that Putin got to Hillary?"
If that were the case, her Secret Service detail all deserves to be fired.
If that were the case, her Secret Service detail all deserves to be fired.
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This incident is a vivid picture of the changing state of media.
Originally posted to social media by a passerby, it was only when the video went viral that the MSM could no longer ignore it.
Hillary's health has been a no fly zone for Liberal media.
The MSM has regrouped, developed their narrative and now reassure us that Hillary is just worn out from working so hard for all of us all these years.
Meanwhile, Americans have all watched the video themselves a couple of times and try to match the coverage with what we see with our own eyes.
Originally posted to social media by a passerby, it was only when the video went viral that the MSM could no longer ignore it.
Hillary's health has been a no fly zone for Liberal media.
The MSM has regrouped, developed their narrative and now reassure us that Hillary is just worn out from working so hard for all of us all these years.
Meanwhile, Americans have all watched the video themselves a couple of times and try to match the coverage with what we see with our own eyes.
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Just another example of why to never trust the liberal media.
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More hogwash from the NYTimes. Forensic examination of the video revealed a metal catheter pin flung from Clinton's right pant leg after she collapsed. Apparently, Hillary had been cutoff from her med pump, precipitating the seizure. Attending to her was her ever faithful neurologist, Dr. Oladotun A. Okunola M.D., the Diazepam pen ready.
Neurologists do not travel with patients suffering from allergies or pneumonia. They might travel with an elite, protected global mega-felon who suffers from brain and nervous system disorders.
Neurologists do not travel with patients suffering from allergies or pneumonia. They might travel with an elite, protected global mega-felon who suffers from brain and nervous system disorders.
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I did not mean to recommend your comment. She has pneumonia. That is easily cured. She probably has to take antibiotics for a couple of days and get some rest. She will be the next President of the United States. Trump has no idea what he is talking about. He is going to build a wall a big beautiful wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. Lol Trump doesn't care for the little person or the uneducated. Have you seen what he lives in? Have you seen the inside of his apartment or whatever you want to call it. Sure he has billions. Trump won't be President. He's too old and too over weight.
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Having to put up with Trump and his band of alt right buddies would make anyone sick. For God's sake its pneumonia-easily treatable. Hillary is not on deaths door.
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She appears overweight (as does Trump)) and probably needs to get more exercise. And being dehydrated can make you collapse as did my mother in her early 90s. But my mother was not overweight and just drank too much coffee and too little water and gatorade.
So Hillary needs to show everyone her medical records. I hope she does not have a brain injury from her fall a few years ago. With any condition, she will still be a better president than would Trump.
So Hillary needs to show everyone her medical records. I hope she does not have a brain injury from her fall a few years ago. With any condition, she will still be a better president than would Trump.
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Hillary almost fell into her van, but forgot the incident within 2 hours. Please trust the public or get out and let Tim Kaine take over.
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We all know the mental health negatives in Mr. Trump, but what about his physical condition. He always walks very, very slowly (notice my double Trumpish adverbs) and I have never seen him move faster. He probably never walks, always in a limo, and he is a big guy, looks overweight, never exercises, eats royally (unhealthy) and we know nothing else. Time to come really clean and expose the inside of your body, Mr. Trump.
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Odd for Mrs. Clinton to be diagnosed with pneumonia from home...No chest x-ray, no sputum culture and yet she gets antibiotics right at home? And yet everyone not in medicine wonders where antibiotic resistance arises? It is very dangerous being a VIP when sick, because your doctors give you "special" treatment, which is often much, much worse than being an anonymous person treated at a hospital walk-in free clinic. Just look what happens to many VIPs -- Michael Jackson, Prince, etc. -- so recently in the news.
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You can not compare her to Michael Jackson and Prince, etc. They were habitual drug users. Most all of them over dosed on narcotics.
Yeah, this is no big deal except Ms. Clinton's advisors need to stop playing in Trump's playground and start giving adult advice. Last I knew Americans are allowed to get sick and allowed to get better. What are they afraid of? Stop listening to the Trump/Giuliani dog whistles - those voters hate Hillary anyway - and get with the program of winning the White House using Clinton's strengths.
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As I read this article somehow it slipped into the NYT's new feature "fact check" I'm a fan of instant "fact checking" but....... when you fact checked her "emails" you implied something and that is dangerous. You should check first. Disputing she never received "confidential" emails and then let hang out in the air that some emails a lower case "c" on them smacks of irresponsibility. Who are you to say what a lower case "c" means ..it could mean clinton... ask the State Department if they mark "confidential" on any papers with a lower case "c" and if they say yes then ask them why. You throwing "meat" to Trump to chew on forever.... so disappointing NYT
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Both candidates should report to Walter Reade for identical evaluations by competent, randomly assigned senior expert physicians (whose anonymity is assured, to avoid predictable bullying and second guessing), and the results of those examinations should be made public for voters to decide. In the future, submission to such medical evaluations should be a prerequisite for seeking the Presidency. The stakes are simply too high, and the demands of the job too great, to entrust it to someone who is unwell. The voters will retain the final say, but the truth can no longer be withheld, nor should it.
News Flash: She asked Colin Powell what he would do if he had pneumonia and he told her he would keep it secret.
There is precedent here folks.
There is precedent here folks.
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Bless you for risking your health to go to the 9/11 memorial. And you had a couple of events on Friday and Saturday. You are one tough person. Trump would have soaked in his hot tub, if he could fit.
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Don't go anywhere Bernie, we may need you!
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If Hillary Clinton had been honest about having pneumonia then she could have engendered sympathy for her soldiering on as best she could under the circumstances, in service to the nation. Instead, the standard operating procedure of Bill and Hillary to lie, dissemble, or withhold information if they think they can get away with it was employed. Indeed, long time allergy sufferers like myself recognized last week that Hillary's coughing fit was not from lack of antihistamines, but from something else in her lungs. And who can believe that she hasn't had a general physical examination since March 2015, as claimed in her limited release of medical information? And then there is her doctor saying she recovered in 2 months from her concussion and her husband saying she needed 6 months. Hillary has now enhanced two themes of the Trump campaign -- her honesty and her health. If Trump becomes President the Clintons have no one to blame but themselves for such a tragedy.
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@Arthur: Your comments are too logical and have no place in the Hillary campaign.
You need to understand that everything that happens to Hillary is someone else's fault--everything. The press is out to get her. Bernie's former supporters are out to get her. Everyone is out to get her. Everyone!
You need to understand that everything that happens to Hillary is someone else's fault--everything. The press is out to get her. Bernie's former supporters are out to get her. Everyone is out to get her. Everyone!
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Arthur Block, I had a cough for months and took it for allergies before I got sick enough to go to doctors. Then I was diagnosed with pneumonia. That was 6 years ago and I'm still alive and kicking.
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The day 9/11 is truly a watershed date -- not only because of the radical Islamic terrorist attack that killed 3,000 Americans 15 years ago, but because it marks the beginning of the end of Hillary's run for president.
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and the irony that it was her husband presidency that went down the drain of tail chasing-
while US had several clear shots to take binladen out, and maybe 9/11 would never happen, but BIlly chickened
while US had several clear shots to take binladen out, and maybe 9/11 would never happen, but BIlly chickened
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The Times has a responsibility to cover this issue properly. I fully support Clinton and fully realize that Trump is a much worse candidate, but not investigating, not questioning what is an obvious, long term health issue, is absolutely irresponsible. Coughing fits, disorientation , fainting spells... all speak to an undisclosed condition that has a material impact on Clinton's physically ability to effectively govern. I'm ok with Tim Kaine; we just need to know the truth, regardless of consequence.
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When does her Dr. say whether or not Hillary has a neurological disorder? To say she was treated for dehydration is most likely true, but it does have bearing on whether or not Hillary has a neurological disorder because it is perfectly possible to have both dehydration and a neurological disorder.
Apparently Hillary's Dr. has consent to reveal some of Hillary's health problems, but when does her Dr. say whether she has Hillary's consent to reveal the full extent of her medical problems or only the ones Hillary is willing to make public?
Apparently Hillary's Dr. has consent to reveal some of Hillary's health problems, but when does her Dr. say whether she has Hillary's consent to reveal the full extent of her medical problems or only the ones Hillary is willing to make public?
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Is the Clinton campaign spinning again?
Could it be the case that this episode is actually related to the concussion/"blood clot" in her brain that she suffered from in 2012?
She looked like she collapsed or had some deficit in functioning and the troupe understood the implications of this event perhaps due to previous experience, so instead of taking her to hospital, took her to her daughter's house.; very strange recovery.
This event looked to me as if everyone knew the plan for such an event; maybe anti seizure medications were stashed at her daughter's house.
Remember the stories of JFK's papa secreting meds around the country for his Addison's disease.
Could it be the case that this episode is actually related to the concussion/"blood clot" in her brain that she suffered from in 2012?
She looked like she collapsed or had some deficit in functioning and the troupe understood the implications of this event perhaps due to previous experience, so instead of taking her to hospital, took her to her daughter's house.; very strange recovery.
This event looked to me as if everyone knew the plan for such an event; maybe anti seizure medications were stashed at her daughter's house.
Remember the stories of JFK's papa secreting meds around the country for his Addison's disease.
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She should listen to her doctors and rest and forget about all that ego of raising funds and companion speaker.
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If she does have pneumonia, perhaps someone will explain why she hugged a young girl after coming out of the apartment building where her daughter lives.
Was she not putting the girl at risk, unless it IS Parkinson's which the girl is unlikely to "catch".
And for all the attacks on Trump, here is a quote from the article, " Mr. Trump said nothing when he was asked on Sunday about Mrs. Clinton’s condition."
Partisanship and Truth do not make good friends and far too many people here are far too partisan.
Was she not putting the girl at risk, unless it IS Parkinson's which the girl is unlikely to "catch".
And for all the attacks on Trump, here is a quote from the article, " Mr. Trump said nothing when he was asked on Sunday about Mrs. Clinton’s condition."
Partisanship and Truth do not make good friends and far too many people here are far too partisan.
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On Friday if her Press Officer releases news she has Pneumonia and needs to dial back her campaign schedule there is no issue. Even after collapsing, it took hours to disseminate the news she had pneumonia.
As for her right to privacy-she is running for the most powerful position in the world.
As for her right to privacy-she is running for the most powerful position in the world.
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Whatever. I'd rather see Clinton President from the ICU than Trump from the White House. Come to think of it, even brain-dead she would be better.
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Yes, 74-year old men who spit and shout from their ideological bully pulpits are the "stuff that dreams are made of"
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Come on, of course there is more to this story and her health issues. 40 years of lying with a complete lack of transparency backs this up.
Worst candidate in either party ever, with one exception, Donald Trump.
Tough year for Americans who care about their country and are not elitists.
Worst candidate in either party ever, with one exception, Donald Trump.
Tough year for Americans who care about their country and are not elitists.
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She doesn't have pneumonia. At least not the run of the mill communicable kind. Why the sunglasses when literally no one else in the photo is wearing them- in fact one woman has her sunglasses on her head? Why the near collapsing- if not for her handlers she would have face-planted into the street. Why did no one seem to react with anything other than "oh, here we go again"? Why did they initially lie about it and say she was "overheated"? Why did they take her to her daughter's apartment to only send her back outside an hour or so later to say she's fine- I thought she was suffering from pneumonia- oh that's right, they sent her outside to say she's fine when they were still going the with made up story of being "overheated"?
Seems to be the answer to all of these questions is because she doesn't have pneumonia at all, or at least perhaps she is technically, legally correct in that she's being treated for pneumonia... but caused by what? Parkinson's? A neurological disorder brought on by her fall?
Seems to be the answer to all of these questions is because she doesn't have pneumonia at all, or at least perhaps she is technically, legally correct in that she's being treated for pneumonia... but caused by what? Parkinson's? A neurological disorder brought on by her fall?
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I just heard that Donald Trump sent good wishes to Hillary! What a deplorable hypocrite!
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No, that's good manners.
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After the 2008 election, I thought that year's campaign would be her last. Then my suspicions were confirmed when she was Sec. of State and always seemed exhausted. But when she became the Dems leading candidate, she seemed to get a new lease on life and won the nomination, I think, in part, because her health concerns had been laid to rest.
Now this.
I believe the proper way to view this is, that if she is, God forbid, gravely ill, we have Tim Kane waiting in the wings. He is still far better than the MENTALLY ill Republican running for the office.
Now this.
I believe the proper way to view this is, that if she is, God forbid, gravely ill, we have Tim Kane waiting in the wings. He is still far better than the MENTALLY ill Republican running for the office.
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This is a big issue with the democrat party, they are a gerontocracy. It's time for Hillary to consider another course for the benefit of the country. The country does not need an old, sick president.
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Sort of like the way Reagan ran the country with Alzheimer's disease, or is this different??
Isn't a presidential candidate allowed to have some privacy? This is not a chronic illness that will affect her ability to be president. It's really no one's business and she has the right to keep it to herself. Same goes for Trump -- I think we forget that there is a line between the personal and the professional. We're trying to elect someone to do a job, and this has nothing to do with that.
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How do you know that? The voters have a right to decide for themselves whether or not she is up to the job. When she decided she was going to run for president she gave up the right to a whole lot of her privacy. She should have realized that during the Lewinsky thing when every detail of the marks on her husband's anatomy were made public on TV and in the press.
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This sounds like a fish story to me. If she had pneumonia why wasn't she rushed to the hospital as that is a serious illness especially at her age. I know younger people who have been admitted for this condition. I do not think the American people are being given the truth. We are not naive and deserve to know the full details as she is running for one of the most important offices in the world. This is another dishonest and devious story that has been happening on a regular with Mrs. Clinton. This proves she is not trustworthy and does not deserve to be our next president. What else will we uncover before the election is decided. Hopefully the truth.
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I can't understand why this has made the news cycle two days in a row. For heavens sake did no one see Kanye's fashion show last week his models were dropping like fly's. It's hot, humid and she was surrounded by men who were not only heavy but also covered in wool suits. I would have fainted straight away. This just shows how strong she is that she would continue a grueling schedule, all the while dealing with an illness. Mr. Trump can't even sleep anywhere but his own bed. Get better Madam Secretary we need you as President.
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That fashion show was held in 94 degree temperatures, which was not the temperature at 8:30 AM in New York yesterday. I live in Philly, with comparable temperatures and it was comfortable.
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IF you had bacterial pneumonia would you go to your granddaughter's house with it? Either she is a monster or we are being lied to AGAIN. She might as well blame it on a YouTube video AGAIN. Sadly, NBC, CBS and ABC are not even trying to stop the spin and tell the American people the truth. Our country depends on them to report truthfully. They should all have their FCC licenses suspended.
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MF nailed it. This is the GOP expressing interest in Women's Health for the First Time.
You have to start somewhere I guess. Thank God Trump hasn't had a kid- if he thinks having pneumonia or keeling over in heat makes you stop your life.
You have to start somewhere I guess. Thank God Trump hasn't had a kid- if he thinks having pneumonia or keeling over in heat makes you stop your life.
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Some good will come of this. Trump is even older than Clinton (he'll be the oldest person ever elected President if he wins; Hillary will be a few months behind Reagan). This is probably what induced Trump to announce that he's getting a full physical this week and has instructed his doctors to release his medical report to the public. That will be useful information, and he'll deserve to be punished by the voters if he backtracks on that promise.
Presumably Clinton will follow suit, and then we'll all know more about the health of both candidates. If the "real" Republican candidate is Pence and/or the "real" Democratic candidate is Kaine, we'll know that well ahead of time. Frankly, I think each party would do better running its VP candidate against the other party's Presidential candidate.
Presumably Clinton will follow suit, and then we'll all know more about the health of both candidates. If the "real" Republican candidate is Pence and/or the "real" Democratic candidate is Kaine, we'll know that well ahead of time. Frankly, I think each party would do better running its VP candidate against the other party's Presidential candidate.
It seems to me, after reading several Amy Chozick pieces about Hillary Clinton, that Ms. Chozick is incapable of writing a straight factual account about her subject without piling on a ton of innuendo and subtle smears.
This piece is no different. Contrary to its headline, it is far less about what Mrs. Clinton's doctor said concerning her pneumonia than the suggestion that the campaign was hiding something based on the timing of the announcement; the initial lack of information and then the varying statements about her condition; and her abrupt and mysterious flight from the WTC memorial event without Ms. Chozick and other journalists in tow. And true to form, Ms. Chozick could not resist throwing in Mrs. Clinton's now notorious "basket of deplorables" remark, which Ms. Chozick and others have already covered ad nauseam and is utterly lacking in relevance to the subject matter of this piece.
Frankly, I am disturbed by Ms. Chozick's continually negative coverage of Mrs. Clinton and cannot fathom why the NYT is promoting it. Please reassign her to coverage of Mr. Trump since she undoubtedly has an affinity for his point of view.
This piece is no different. Contrary to its headline, it is far less about what Mrs. Clinton's doctor said concerning her pneumonia than the suggestion that the campaign was hiding something based on the timing of the announcement; the initial lack of information and then the varying statements about her condition; and her abrupt and mysterious flight from the WTC memorial event without Ms. Chozick and other journalists in tow. And true to form, Ms. Chozick could not resist throwing in Mrs. Clinton's now notorious "basket of deplorables" remark, which Ms. Chozick and others have already covered ad nauseam and is utterly lacking in relevance to the subject matter of this piece.
Frankly, I am disturbed by Ms. Chozick's continually negative coverage of Mrs. Clinton and cannot fathom why the NYT is promoting it. Please reassign her to coverage of Mr. Trump since she undoubtedly has an affinity for his point of view.
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truth hurts a lil?
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Hilary Clinton is a human being like the rest of us and she has an infection just like the rest of us occasionally fall victim to. This is not a health crisis. This is not a sign of weakness. This is also a time for New York Times report honestly and accurately, to run headlines the resemble the Daily Mail and The NY Post. This is also time to wish Hilary a speedy recovery. This is a time be humane.
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For me this is not an issue about health, it is about lying, again. If she would have announced that she were sick and needed treatment I would have understood, but "being diagnosed with pneumonia, withholding that;passing out, claiming to be overheated; than saying that she had pneumonia" What am I to believe here? Lying again. How many times can she lie before people realize she is lying?
it's very dispiriting to see how little of the commentary about and attention to the election of the president of the united states has to do with policy, issues and facts.
instead we get personality judgments and armchair amateur baseless psychoanalysis and medical diagnosis.
lame.
instead we get personality judgments and armchair amateur baseless psychoanalysis and medical diagnosis.
lame.
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Maybe we could get to those issues if only MS. Clinton were not such a complete and utter liar.
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The video made me so sad. The unseemly spectacle that is our presidential election process is too long, too demeaning, too mean, period. Candidates feel it necessary to subject themselves to brutal schedules while being criticized incessantly by media, rival candidates, their surrogates and voters. Hillary Clinton is held to a much higher standard then Trump, so her pounding is even worse. I wish Hillary all the best and a swift and complete recovery.
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The WSJ just reported that Clinton will release medical info.
This is precisely why no one trusts Hilary! Why on earth couldn't she just be honest and forthright with the public for once?! Everyone understands letting daily demands get in the way of recovering from a cold, etc, but it's hard to believe someone claiming to "feel great" after being diagnosed with pneumonia! She just refuses to be forthright, and this is just the latest example.
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It's Hillary with two L's just like the famous New Zealand beekeeper she was named for.
She fainted, is wearing blue anti-seizure lenses, and has two MDs shadowing her 24/7. Yeah, nothing to see here . . .
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This is all so murky. She's been coughing for weeks. Why didn't she have a chest x-ray weeks ago? Did she? Also, I wouldn't want to be around someone with bacterial pneumonia when they cough. If she knew she had pneumonia on Friday, then why was she allowed to expose others in a huge crowd? Frankly, Clinton has looked very worn out and haggard quite often while campaigning. This does not instill confidence in her health or her honesty. She's her own worst enemy. I once had pneumonia when I was 20 (and very fit) and was hospitalized for a week, then exhausted for several weeks after that.
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The condescending remarks here and by the TMZ-like mainstream media is enough to MAKE one sick. Please- just write her Obit and be done with it or better- have the GOP hold hearings; At least *they* can't blame it on "that time of month".
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Folks...here is the issue when Mrs. Clinton was asked to give a statement by reporters about what happened 2 hours earlier, she said " “It’s a beautiful day in New York.” Not "I'm sick", not "I have pneumonia." Mrs. Clinton is not and was not transparent and/or honest about her health. That makes me feel very uncomfortable. I don't know Mrs. Clinton. All I can do is judge Mrs. Clinton actions and her actions make me feel unsure about her truthfulness.
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Well, said.
What HAS Hillary Clinton been honest and transparent about? I can't think of a thing she hasn't lied about or a time when she was transparent. Maybe some of you can overlook this serious character flaw to satisfy your need to express your liberalism by countering Trump, but no intellectually honest Liberal could support a veritable poster child for the marriage between corporations to government. Sadly, readers of the NYT are not as intellectually honest as they used to be.
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If Hillary Clinton is truly healthy she should want to disclose all her medical records to end this controversy once and for all.
If Hillary Clinton were truly innocent she should have also wanted to disclose all of her emails instead of her elaborate efforts to destroy and hide them..
Instead we continue to see a pattern of lies, deception and dishonesty.
If Hillary Clinton were truly innocent she should have also wanted to disclose all of her emails instead of her elaborate efforts to destroy and hide them..
Instead we continue to see a pattern of lies, deception and dishonesty.
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It's time once again for my two favorite proposals. (1.) No one may hold a federal elected office past the age of 70. If someone holding office reaches 70 they must resign. (2.) No one is allowed to drive any motorized vehicle after the age of 80.
We have always had minimum ages for a variety of things in the United States. Since people are living forever these days, and few have any self-restraint, we now need maximum ages for some activities.
We have always had minimum ages for a variety of things in the United States. Since people are living forever these days, and few have any self-restraint, we now need maximum ages for some activities.
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I think that every one who is you should not waste their time trying to think when so many others are so much better at it.
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Hillary also lied about her health. Heatstroke is not pneumonia. When will it sink in to Democrats that she never tells the truth, only whatever she thinks to be politically expedient or will help evade legal trouble?
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Hillary said she had heatstroke? I missed that.
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Is Matt Drudge of DrudgeReport the only journalist left in the country?
He was ridiculed for months, but kept on reporting. Now that Hillary finally admits, after weeks of lies and cover-ups, that she is gravely ill, her supporters now tell us how great she is for being a hard worker! Just days after saying the story was a concoction of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy(TM).
Its shocking that their vote counts as much as mine.
He was ridiculed for months, but kept on reporting. Now that Hillary finally admits, after weeks of lies and cover-ups, that she is gravely ill, her supporters now tell us how great she is for being a hard worker! Just days after saying the story was a concoction of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy(TM).
Its shocking that their vote counts as much as mine.
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I hope Hillary gets better soon, comes to her senses, and lets Bernie take the reins. Hillary is having a difficult time managing her health on the campaign trail while having the best medical professions to serve her needs. How is this going to change as POTUS? Hillary needs to give her ego a rest and put America first. Any other decision is unpatriotic and frankly dangerous to our collective welfare. America needs strong leadership more than ever.
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Dear God Oliver. Dis Sen.Sanders ever release a medical record???? You people are just waiting in the wings aren't you? Nor did Jane ever manage to come up with their financials. Do you think this is anything but an issue of transparency? What do you think the chances are that a 74 year old man has some medical issues? Are you NOT gong to support Clinton now? No wait, you're for Jill Stein, right? God help us all.
Since it is clear that neither Clinton nor Trump plan to divulge a complete medical history, it is time for a law mandating medical records release for presidential candidates and that should include recent medical information. Trump's release was an absolute joke and Clinton's woefully inadequate and over a year old. Make no mistake here-Clinton suffered a traumatic brain injury. Yet no neurologic or cognitive tests were reported. She is also taking a very dangerous drug--Coumadin. Is she still taking this and if so why? Why did she have repeated episodes of clotting? Does she have a blood disorder? I don't want Bill Clinton pulling a reverse Edith Wilson in the White House. Both candidates want us to take them at their word they are healthy. Fine. We still need verification. Insurance companies demand it- so should voters.
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Hey doc, would you care to explain how you diagnosed a TBI outside a clinical setting?
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Not sure how April Campbell MD - Quack) diagnosed a brain injury without the benefit of a personal examination or at least reading of an MRI.
It would be like a cardiologist saying someone's LVEF (left ventriculat ejection fraction) is 55-60% without doing an echocardiogram, cardiac MRI, and coming to that number by seeing someone on TV.....
It would be like a cardiologist saying someone's LVEF (left ventriculat ejection fraction) is 55-60% without doing an echocardiogram, cardiac MRI, and coming to that number by seeing someone on TV.....
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Beg to differ with your TBI diagnosis since my mother died as a result of a cerebral infarction- was healthy and suddenly had thunderclap headache resulting in permanent TBI brain death. Unlike Hillary, my mother is not walking around campaigning. Hillary Clinton would not be here with a TBI. How can you deduce such "medical opinion"? Offering a blind medical diagnosis of a TBI without being HRC's physician is not helpful and an affront to my tragedy.
If physicians on this thread prefer to diagnosis cases without being a patient's physician, the NYT Health section offers a medical mystery each month to guess diagnoses. Yes believe in transparency starting with physicians who know how to accurately diagnose.
If physicians on this thread prefer to diagnosis cases without being a patient's physician, the NYT Health section offers a medical mystery each month to guess diagnoses. Yes believe in transparency starting with physicians who know how to accurately diagnose.
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It's not the illness, which isn't a crime, it's all the lying about it. As per usual. What would have been so bad about admitting the pneumonia in the first place? HRC is congenitally unable to tell the truth until it's forced out of her. You can't defeat a demagogue with a poor candidate like this one.
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She won't win against that "demagogue" because he is everything she isn't. The "demagogue" speaks truth to an elitist Liberal establishment. His honesty is seen as a flaw to the same elitist Left that deftly ignores Hillary's compulsive dishonesty. In the end, it will be the truth that carries the "demagogue" to an epic landslide victory on November eighth.
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Hillary, pay attention: Call some reporters, NYTimes, Wapo, and answer all their questions.
Then say: Donald, your turn.
Simple. You need to be above his racist lying fray.
Then say: Donald, your turn.
Simple. You need to be above his racist lying fray.
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Hillary, Wear a hat and carry a bottle of water. You are running for president, not joining the navy seals.
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Everyone can get sick. But she couldn't call in sick to a 9/11 memorial. Remember when George Bush senior had stomach flu? But he couldn't call in sick, because he was the president. That being said, it is tougher when you are older.
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Can't say I know much about Kaine, but this strikes me as unfair:
"Another reason why the Tim Kaine pick was a failure; nobody is emboldened by the idea of Kaine as a successor should Hillary succumb to some disaster."
At the moment, this "health issue" looks like it will just blow over, that Hillary is telling the truth about it. If not and she steps down, it might be a blessing in disguise for the Democrats. Kaine is much younger, and the Democrats need new blood. I think he'd do better against Trump than Clinton will do, but not if he replaces her at the very last minute.
Bottom line: If there's no more to this than Clinton's physicians have reported, it will -- and should -- blow over soon (especially if she echoes Trump's promise to take a full physical and publicize the results). If, instead, there IS more to this, we probably will find that out very soon, with plenty of time left for Kaine to step in and become known to voters before November 8.
"Another reason why the Tim Kaine pick was a failure; nobody is emboldened by the idea of Kaine as a successor should Hillary succumb to some disaster."
At the moment, this "health issue" looks like it will just blow over, that Hillary is telling the truth about it. If not and she steps down, it might be a blessing in disguise for the Democrats. Kaine is much younger, and the Democrats need new blood. I think he'd do better against Trump than Clinton will do, but not if he replaces her at the very last minute.
Bottom line: If there's no more to this than Clinton's physicians have reported, it will -- and should -- blow over soon (especially if she echoes Trump's promise to take a full physical and publicize the results). If, instead, there IS more to this, we probably will find that out very soon, with plenty of time left for Kaine to step in and become known to voters before November 8.
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All this emphasis on Hillary Clinton's physical stability should not detract from questioning Trump's mental ability.
And not only that, there are probably very few people out there of any age who would have the stamina to endure months on the campaign trail.
Time to keep these right-wing lings in check.
And not only that, there are probably very few people out there of any age who would have the stamina to endure months on the campaign trail.
Time to keep these right-wing lings in check.
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Trump is a well known germaphobe. The man-boy in the bubble.
He never shakes anybody's hand or comes close to his supporters. Only big rallies for him away from the people. And flies home every night in his own jet so that he can sleep on his own bed.
Hillary on the contrary is more people oriented, always pressing the flesh with her supporters. She gets close to people, doesn't have her own private jet, sleeps in hotels, and she runs the risk of catching colds and viruses.
He never shakes anybody's hand or comes close to his supporters. Only big rallies for him away from the people. And flies home every night in his own jet so that he can sleep on his own bed.
Hillary on the contrary is more people oriented, always pressing the flesh with her supporters. She gets close to people, doesn't have her own private jet, sleeps in hotels, and she runs the risk of catching colds and viruses.
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Given her longtime chronic cough, I am concerned that Mrs. Clinton might have a mycobacterium-related infection, known as MAC or NTM. It is increasingly common among women of her age. It is not the same as pneumonia and requires long-term aggressive antibiotic treatment. It must be diagnosed through a sputum culture, which I hope has been performed.
Given the debilitating fatigue caused by either illness, I am amazed that Mrs. Clinton has kept up such a grueling schedule. She has a lot of grit.
Given the debilitating fatigue caused by either illness, I am amazed that Mrs. Clinton has kept up such a grueling schedule. She has a lot of grit.
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Yet more secrecy and intrigue among the Clinton campaign.
I find it alarming that no one, including Clinton supporters, are believing the campaign's official story on her health.
Why is the Clinton campaign so fundamentally untrustworthy?
I find it alarming that no one, including Clinton supporters, are believing the campaign's official story on her health.
Why is the Clinton campaign so fundamentally untrustworthy?
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Once again a trying moment during Hillary Clinton's Campaign and Amy Chozick, the reporter assigned to cover Clinton, appears. Like a carrion eating buzzard, once again Chozick appears during a calamitous Clinton event. Unlike Yamiche Alcindor who covered Bernie Sanders for The Times during the Primary Campaign, Chozick seems unable to provide the even handed coverage Alcindor did, coverage that depicted a broader focus and not one centered only on negative events for Sander's. Hard news? I'll take all there is. But never is there coverage of Clinton that isn't about, tinged with, or drowning in the negatives. Where is there someone writing about how Hillary Clinton was tarred and feathered thirty years ago by the Republican Party as they fulfilled the mantra of Karl Rove to "define the opposition's candidate or cause before they do." It's so ingrained to attack Clinton, assume the worst about her. And how much of it is wrapped up in the 'blame Eve' syndrome.
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In this new world of IPhone photography, whomever got close enough to photograph Hillary stumbling has done far more harm that the print reporter.
I am 65 and I had a slight cough last night. This week i will play 63 holes of golf. I've had coughs that lasted as long as three months. You take your medicine, suck it up and go on. If necessary, you take to bed. But it doesn't stop you from thinking or speaking or -- dare I say it -- using your cell phone.
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I see so many ludicrous conspiracy theories here from the Trump supporters, here's another one for you to consider.
Since Trump is such an admirer of Putin and his tactics for dealing with the opposition, perhaps Trump had her poisoned? It's hard not to consider the possibility, since he seemed so focused on her health before she became ill.
Since Trump is such an admirer of Putin and his tactics for dealing with the opposition, perhaps Trump had her poisoned? It's hard not to consider the possibility, since he seemed so focused on her health before she became ill.
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One thing we should all note and remember is that it wasn't a member of the press who filmed Mrs. Clinton's collapse at the pickup point, or being dragged into the van. It was an ordinary citizen who took the key video. And until the clips went viral on social media, mainstream media were silent, instead publishing disinformation. This paper, in fact, continued to call the day "very humid" when at noon it was just 39% humidity. They didn't seem to call into question getting "overheated" when, at 9:30, the time Mrs. Clinton left the ceremony, the temperature was under 80 degrees.
That's a whole other story right there, although not one that's news to some of us. But regardless, the question needs to be asked, and answered: Why weren't the members of the press who were on the spot, with cameras, able or willing to capture this as well? What else did they miss? Or is are they doing the documentation but being stonewalled by their editors and clients when it comes to publication?
That's a whole other story right there, although not one that's news to some of us. But regardless, the question needs to be asked, and answered: Why weren't the members of the press who were on the spot, with cameras, able or willing to capture this as well? What else did they miss? Or is are they doing the documentation but being stonewalled by their editors and clients when it comes to publication?
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Maybe because nobody cares. She got sick, big whoop.
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To get access to a presidential candidate (what an opportunity for a journalist) you have to follow their rules. If they don't want you following her to her van, you don't follow her to her van. If they don't want you asking the hard questions, you don't ask the hard questions.
I'm a Clinton supporter, but she's going to have to release more details about her health or the frenzied conspiracy theories will get even worst. As Matt Lauer has already shown the media will be no help in fighting back the ridiculous narratives from the right. The birther movement has proven that many in this country don't need facts or evidence to believe what they are already predisposed to believe. And with Hillary taking ill at this moment in time, it falls right into the narrative that the right was already selling about her health. And they couldn't be happier about it.
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I remember when Hillary had a concussion and the righties all said she was lying because she didn't want to show up to one of those tax wasting faux hearings. Now I hear them say because of her concussion she has issues. Make up my mind.
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If only, Trump could be cured with antibiotics and bedrest from what ails him; alas, not. Pity.
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I have to laugh out loud about this incident - and how it is being perceived.
I have passed out a number of times in my life. Twice in court. I am an attorney. Several other times in public. My mother used to pass out quite often. Everyone panicked - except my mom and I when we "awakened" a minute or two later.
We too both passed out when suffering from dehydration. My first time was in court and I was forty years old. I refused to go to the hospital and Chief U.S. District Court Judge Brook Bartlett begged me to go see my doctor. I said I would. Dr. Dan Lauer examined me and did an EKG - Dr. Lauer was our family physician and had known me since I was a young boy.
He said, "Lance, you have the heart of a 21 year old man and are in perfect health. And just like your mother, you both have low blood pressure." He explained to me that when I get dehydrated (usually over a course of several days when not taking enough fluids), my blood thickens, my heart cannot pump enough blood to my brain - because of gravity - and when standing for a long period of time I start "greying out" (everything becomes fuzzy and I feel nauseous), and eventually I just keel over.
The bottom line: Hillary is dehydrated from all the intensity of the campaign and going non-stop (which my mother and I were both prone to do - too much coffee and not enough water). It's really that simple.
Any questions?
I have passed out a number of times in my life. Twice in court. I am an attorney. Several other times in public. My mother used to pass out quite often. Everyone panicked - except my mom and I when we "awakened" a minute or two later.
We too both passed out when suffering from dehydration. My first time was in court and I was forty years old. I refused to go to the hospital and Chief U.S. District Court Judge Brook Bartlett begged me to go see my doctor. I said I would. Dr. Dan Lauer examined me and did an EKG - Dr. Lauer was our family physician and had known me since I was a young boy.
He said, "Lance, you have the heart of a 21 year old man and are in perfect health. And just like your mother, you both have low blood pressure." He explained to me that when I get dehydrated (usually over a course of several days when not taking enough fluids), my blood thickens, my heart cannot pump enough blood to my brain - because of gravity - and when standing for a long period of time I start "greying out" (everything becomes fuzzy and I feel nauseous), and eventually I just keel over.
The bottom line: Hillary is dehydrated from all the intensity of the campaign and going non-stop (which my mother and I were both prone to do - too much coffee and not enough water). It's really that simple.
Any questions?
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great, since your mother too has passed out a few times we can stop worrying about a presidential candidate's health and how she has been lying constantly about it.
I have one. Why don't her handlers keep her hydrated since dehydration seems to be such an issue with her?
Thanks, Lance. Same for me.
There is always a double standard when it comes to women in the work force. When a man gets married, it is viewed that he will become even more reliable, and a woman is viewed as less motivated. The same for hiring someone with children: this makes men more motivated and dedicated to their job, but women are viewed as more likely to take time off and be distracted. When illness is involved, women are usually discreet. While men are expected to be able to "tough it out", women are typically viewed as "weaker" and unable to perform their job. This couldn't be further from the truth. Women naturally have a higher tolerance for pain and discomfort.
Charlotte Whitton said: 'Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult.' Unfortunately, that still doesn't raise the perception that a woman can be just as strong if not stronger.
Based on that, why on earth would she disclose a passing illness that would only damage how she is perceived?
Charlotte Whitton said: 'Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult.' Unfortunately, that still doesn't raise the perception that a woman can be just as strong if not stronger.
Based on that, why on earth would she disclose a passing illness that would only damage how she is perceived?
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Collapsing 90 minutes earlier, she exits to the public and says "I feeling great."
This is why Mr. Trump is still alive in this race.
HRC distrusts the very people she would lead. She simply cannot tell the truth or say a word without triangulating it.
This is why Mr. Trump is still alive in this race.
HRC distrusts the very people she would lead. She simply cannot tell the truth or say a word without triangulating it.
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Trump is a presidential candidate that has told more lies than any before him. He tells ridiculous lies that are easily fact checked. He's such a liar that it's not any wonder she's reluctant to say she has a cold or virus. He might say she has stage IV cancer.
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Darcey, if she lay down for an hour and drank some cool water, it's entirely possible that she "felt great".
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It's not really about Clinton or Trump. It's about a Democratic agenda and approach vs. a Republican agenda and approach. I'm for the Democratic agenda regardless of who is the leader.
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If she was diagnosed with pneumonia last Friday and treated with antibiotics, she should have been better by Sunday, not worse, collapsing at the curve. Is there serious underlying chronic illness? It is strange that she went to her daughter's home, not to a hospital, despite the seriousness of her illness. When she came out from her daughter's home after 90 minutes, she still was wearing a jacket and blouse. This does not make sense either, given the fact that the Clinton's campaign told us she suffered heat exhaustion as well at the 911 memorial ceremony. The video is very disturbing.
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Much ado about nothing as usual. Let's focus on our country for a change and what this election really means. Let's not build up the health thing AGAIN.
I had walking pneumonia. If untreated the infection can knock you out. With antibiotics it saps your strength and dehydrates you so you are weak and tired.
I wish Hillary well in recovering and that she takes her probiotics and pushes fluids as best she can. I wish the Trumps, the media and the rest would just let it go already.
I had walking pneumonia. If untreated the infection can knock you out. With antibiotics it saps your strength and dehydrates you so you are weak and tired.
I wish Hillary well in recovering and that she takes her probiotics and pushes fluids as best she can. I wish the Trumps, the media and the rest would just let it go already.
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Pneumonia is curable. Mental illness? Not so much.
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It's likely that if one wished to know how, "ladies who lunch" speak among themselves when wishing to downplay really bad news, all one need do is read the Time's Picks comments for the associated article by Mr. Martin and Ms. Chozick.
Arched eyebrows, eyes wide open...
Arched eyebrows, eyes wide open...
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If you were a world leader, would you believe a word she says?
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More than I would Mr. Trump who has a documented and verifiable record of deceit, if not, outright fraud. Moreover, Ms. Clinton got high marks as Secretary of State. To somehow link a personal medical issue that is common and treatable with trust is ridiculous. My concern is that Mr. Trump has a textbook case of extreme narcissistic personality disorder that disqualifies him from being anywhere near the White House - and there is no cure for that.
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High marks for being hawkish in attacking Libya and voting for Iraq war?
What? No Prevnar13? Get it once and done Sec. Clinton!
I am dismayed by your near tabloid coverage on this issue. The Boston Globe carried one article, succinct and adequate. This is certainly fuel for the fire for Trump's campaign and your very detailed accounts of pneumonia and its treatment, causes, ages of those most severely affected is unnecessary and harmful to Ms. Clinton. This is the second time in a week when I've written "Really, NYT? You are better than this."
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I wake up this morning looking forward to my cup of tea and the NYT. I see no fewer than three articles way up front about the Hillary Clinton pneumonia swoon. Three! Thus giving more fodder to the Trump lovers about stupid conspiracies and wasting valuable time and airspace on irrelevant sound bites. Please, Media, please start focusing on the substantive issues and policies facing us now.
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I support Trump.
I also offer my sincere wishes that Hillary Clinton has a full and speedy recovery.
Some things transcend politics - this is one of them.
I also offer my sincere wishes that Hillary Clinton has a full and speedy recovery.
Some things transcend politics - this is one of them.
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It is somewhat unfortunate to observe references to the GOP candidate. He has nothing to do the DNC candidate's physical fitness. It may be instructive to reference the physical standards demanded, tested and recorded of military leadership (at all levels), including psychological evaluation. Apparently no such standards are demanded of the Commander in Chief (regardless of party). Part of that breach in civilian-military mutuality stems from the way the Office of the President has become managed by unelected aids, advisors, counselors, and of course lobbyists--foreign and domestic. Indeed, the less capable, reliant, unpredictable, dependant or compromised the president, generally the more malleable, manageable and useful are his/her offices. Either candidate scores favorably in this regard; hence their funded candidacy.
Unfortunately, both major party candidates look bloated, possibly chemically dependent, and ill.
Despite living with back pain and war-related injury, one recent president made an important causal link:
"Physical fitness is not only one of the most important keys to a healthy body, it is the basis of dynamic and creative intellectual activity." John F. Kennedy
Unfortunately, both major party candidates look bloated, possibly chemically dependent, and ill.
Despite living with back pain and war-related injury, one recent president made an important causal link:
"Physical fitness is not only one of the most important keys to a healthy body, it is the basis of dynamic and creative intellectual activity." John F. Kennedy
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NYT is still serving up its kool aid to Hillary Clinton supporters who come here everyday to get their blinders adjusted. You don't turn "feeling better" off and on like a light switch with pneumonia. Once a person starts the antibiotics and z-pack it takes a couple of days to feel normal again. I was also under the impression that pneumonia whether it is caused by bacteria or virus is contagious. If so, why was Hillary Clinton hugging the little girl two hours after passing out? Also it appeared that Hillary had some type of seizure when she was literally dragged into the vehicle. It looked more like an epileptic seizure than fainting. Her body went totally limp and her head jerked back. It looked like the same condition she had with reporters a few weeks ago when several reporters were asking her questions at the same time. Her head jerked back with her eyes rolling around while laughing hysterically.
Anybody without their blinders on could see Hillary Clinton was near unconscious when she was dragged into car. She even lost a shoe. Within two hours she re-appeared smiling telling reporters she felt great. That's not pneumonia. I am also not buying that Hillary Clinton was dehydrated. When have you not seen Hillary without a water bottle in her hands. She drinks a ton of water, especially doing her coughing episode which has been going on for over a year.
Hillary Clinton doesn't have pneumonia or dehydration. It's just another day of lies for Hillary Clinton.
Anybody without their blinders on could see Hillary Clinton was near unconscious when she was dragged into car. She even lost a shoe. Within two hours she re-appeared smiling telling reporters she felt great. That's not pneumonia. I am also not buying that Hillary Clinton was dehydrated. When have you not seen Hillary without a water bottle in her hands. She drinks a ton of water, especially doing her coughing episode which has been going on for over a year.
Hillary Clinton doesn't have pneumonia or dehydration. It's just another day of lies for Hillary Clinton.
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pfft.. again??
It's always the attempt to cover up that gets them into trouble; that turns a nonissue or small issue into a 'something'. WHEN, pray. will they learn that.
Clinton was never going to get the vote of any individual who'd put any stock in the medical pronouncements of "Trump M. D." anyways.. so WHY try to conceal this.
It's always the attempt to cover up that gets them into trouble; that turns a nonissue or small issue into a 'something'. WHEN, pray. will they learn that.
Clinton was never going to get the vote of any individual who'd put any stock in the medical pronouncements of "Trump M. D." anyways.. so WHY try to conceal this.
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What is being reported as "news" is only what is coming out of the Clinton entourage. They are saying it's pneumonia. That's bad enough. But most pneumonia is contagious (especially by coughing) and calls for bed rest and even hospitalization. So what is Mrs. Clinton doing out among thousands of people on Sunday. And after an "episode" what is she doing in front of Chelsea's house walking around saying she's "feeling great" and hugging a small child. Why can't I believe anything she and her handlers say?
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"But most pneumonia is contagious (especially by coughing) and calls for bed rest and even hospitalization."
I've had pneumonia. Nope. Mine called for antibiotics and taking it easy.
I've had pneumonia. Nope. Mine called for antibiotics and taking it easy.
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She's a pathological liar, as grotesque as Trump. Boycott the election and deprive either of a mandate for anything. That would give America and the parties four years to come to their senses. But can the world that Obama leaves wait?
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Wouldn't it have been nice to see the headline "Hillary Attends 9/11 Memorial Service Despite Suffering From Pneumonia"? Or, here's a thought, let's use the anniversary to review the candidates' radically different reactions to the tragedy. For instance, Trump saying the Twin Towers "weren't that great" and boasting that now his building was the tallest; claiming he saw bodies drop from 4 miles away; claiming he saw the imaginary cheering Muslims; promising thousands to Giuliani's 9/11 fund that never materialized (unlike Hillary's $1 million).
Instead it's just another opportunity for the major press to boost the conspiracy theories of commenters like Buckeye. It's a sad day indeed when it's left to far less visible news media to cover what's relevant and remind us that this is not a battle of ideas or policies: it's a battle between a human being and a hyena (with apologies to hyenas everywhere).
Instead it's just another opportunity for the major press to boost the conspiracy theories of commenters like Buckeye. It's a sad day indeed when it's left to far less visible news media to cover what's relevant and remind us that this is not a battle of ideas or policies: it's a battle between a human being and a hyena (with apologies to hyenas everywhere).
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Well said JC!
Hillary is going to be asked to come clean on yet another "secret" her failing health. When you have a lot of secrets its tough to keep them all hidden; particularly when running for the POTUS.
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Hillary has had an amazing strength and drive. She traveled more as Secretary of State than any other Secretary of State. She does drive herself too hard but he has not shown that same drive. He is more lazier and not one to work as hard as you need to as President.
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I have had it with the NYTimes. After it continues incessantly to foment the socalled email "scandal," the paper begins the article with this: "the incident, which occurred after months of questions about Mrs. Clinton's health from Republicans, is likely to increase pressure on her to address the issue." This description of the event recognizes and affirms the Republican politicized rumor and lie machine. While the fact that Clinton is suffering from pneumonia might be news worthy, it is framed to support a supposition formed out of thin air for political reasons. Awful!
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So CNN fires doctor for stating the obvious and Hillary hides the truth from the press for as long as she can. Then you wonder why the American people do not trust Hillary or the press.
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Thanks NYTimes for making this front page news with your usual "clouds of uncertainty" and "can we trust her" innuendos - while underreporting and dismissing the truly deplorable Trump actions (i.e. - illegal contributions to Florida AG). When are you going to start making an issue of Trump's trustworthiness, or lack thereof?
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Are you kidding me? NYT had anti-Trump headline every day for so many weeks on the top-left page which is actually called Trump's corner. Looks like Clinton dislodged him today. Even the "deplorable" comment for Clinton could not make her appear in the Trum p corner of the web-page.
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Multiple episodes of clots, now pneumonia - Virchow's Triangle makes one think of cancer. Now just who is that VP. Nominee?
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Get well soon, we need you! Take some time off over the next few days and get your strength back. Your supporters will not change their minds on whom to vote for. We are with you all the way!
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Clinton should drop out and let someone else take her place. If she actually cared about her country she would be considering this.
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Reporter (upon Mrs. Clinton leaving Chelsea's apartment after suddenly leaving the 9/11 ceremony and later being unable to stand on her own two feet): "Give us a little statement"
Mrs. Clinton (with a big fake smile): "It's a beautiful day in New York."
This exchange captures the essence of what people can't stand about her. She is a faker, a liar and worst of all thinks she is actually fooling anyone with her lies.
I am terrified of Donald Trump but I can see why people hate Mrs. Clinton. It's been said before and should be said again: Mrs. Clinton should put country before party (her own words) and assure that Mr. Trump is not elected by either dropping out of the race now or committing to resign if and when she is elected. Enough is enough. (By the way, hope you feel better Hillary).
Mrs. Clinton (with a big fake smile): "It's a beautiful day in New York."
This exchange captures the essence of what people can't stand about her. She is a faker, a liar and worst of all thinks she is actually fooling anyone with her lies.
I am terrified of Donald Trump but I can see why people hate Mrs. Clinton. It's been said before and should be said again: Mrs. Clinton should put country before party (her own words) and assure that Mr. Trump is not elected by either dropping out of the race now or committing to resign if and when she is elected. Enough is enough. (By the way, hope you feel better Hillary).
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I know some people are tired of gender coming up in this election, but this is another time when I think different life experiences frame how these incidents are viewed. I've fainted before and I know many women who have fainted because it's a pretty common symptom of pregnancy. Another common after effect of pregnancy is having people who need you and depend on you even when you're not feeling up to it. And in those moments you get up and do what you need to do because that's what adults do. I wouldn't expect a man who takes pride in never having changed one of his five children's diapers to understand. On a smaller scale I've soldiered through becasue people I cared about needed me and I feel like I relate to her in those moments. It's in moments like this that I feel so honored that I'll be able to cast a vote for this woman. It's that kind of perserverence that I want in a leader, especially on a day when I remember not just tragedy but how people came together to help each other even when it was hard. #imwithher
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Tim Kaine needs to be more visible, he is an outstanding VP choice and I believe will be a brilliant President. Should Hillary's health woes become a real problem, Kaine's role as VP will expand and the country needs to trust that, if necessary, he would make a great President, which I think he will. We need to get to know more about Tim Kaine.
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He is out campaigning almost every day. I have caught some of his talks on CSpan, or by searching google videos for Kaine, last 24 hours, longer than 20 minutes.
The press needs to cover all that he says more than it does. In that sense, you are absolutely right that he should be more visible!
The press needs to cover all that he says more than it does. In that sense, you are absolutely right that he should be more visible!
It has been a while since I graduated medical school. Evidently the new treatment for "exhaustion" and "pneumonia" is visiting your daughter and grand daughter for two hours (perhaps contamination the little child)
Vast right wing conspiracy aside, something is very wrong here. Maybe Dr. Drew Pinsky was on to something.
Vast right wing conspiracy aside, something is very wrong here. Maybe Dr. Drew Pinsky was on to something.
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If you were really a doctor, you would know that most forms of pneumonia -- including the bacterial form I assume Mrs. Clinton has -- are not contagiious. If you were taking meds for pneumonia or bronchitis and started feeling weak at an event, what is the first thing you would do? Rush to a NYC hospital or go home (or to your daughter's if substantially closer to you than your own home) and phone your doctor for advice? If the doc thinks you need emergency hospital treatment, fine, but I would certainly not expose myself to the germs, infectiions, and exxtraordinarily long waits at a NYC hospital on a Sunday if I didn't have to.
You should have your medical license revoked (if you indeed every had one).
You should have your medical license revoked (if you indeed every had one).
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Ellienyc, interesting comment.
If I my patient had pneumonia to the point that they collapsed (look at the video), I would want them to go straight to the emergency room. Lastly, the pathogens that cause pneumonia, be they viral or bacterial, are contagious, especially if the patient is coughing.
If Secretary Clinton goes to the emergency room, rest assured, there is not wait, she gets a private room asap, and most likely most of the ER would be cleared out for security reasons.
If I my patient had pneumonia to the point that they collapsed (look at the video), I would want them to go straight to the emergency room. Lastly, the pathogens that cause pneumonia, be they viral or bacterial, are contagious, especially if the patient is coughing.
If Secretary Clinton goes to the emergency room, rest assured, there is not wait, she gets a private room asap, and most likely most of the ER would be cleared out for security reasons.
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The ignorance and viciousness of some of the comments on this forum are startling.
Get well soon, Hillary Clinton! Looking forward to your return to the campaign trail on your way to the White House.
Get well soon, Hillary Clinton! Looking forward to your return to the campaign trail on your way to the White House.
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One of the things I have found most startling about this election is the truly startling ignorance of such a large percentage of the American populace.
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Ah yes, and those "detailed" medical records that Drump is clamoring about?
How is it that joke of a letter released by his "doctor" constitutes anything. The "few details" in a "brief statement" should get the full scrutiny in an article the size of this one.
How is it that joke of a letter released by his "doctor" constitutes anything. The "few details" in a "brief statement" should get the full scrutiny in an article the size of this one.
Every time I see Hillary in her powder blue pantsuit I think of the woman laying on the kitchen floor who says: "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up." The optics of what happened on Sunday were not good for her.
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Her suit was navy blue
There is no criticism of Hillary -- not a single one -- which could not be made of Donald Trump, Barack Obama, John McCain, and every single Presidential candidate for the last 50 years. I am sick and tired of the NY Times turning every single moment into a slur on her dishonesty. She can't win. If she had said earlier "I have walking pneumonia" and it turned out it was "only" a virus she would have been accused of lying! If she had said "I'm sick" the press would have said "she should tough it out". If she had said "I will tough it out" the press would have screamed "bad judgement, she can't take care of herself'.
We just learned that Colin Powell blatantly lied to the American people -- LIED -- and Hillary Clinton was HONEST, but who is the dishonest one? Oh yes, people say "well she's running for President and Powell is not". But Trump is running for President and if you can find a word of truth in any speech he makes that is the exception, not the rule. Apparently, that doesn't matter.
And if the NYTimes had better reporting and didn't fall into the same trap they did during their Whitewater reporting, we might not be in danger of having the first fascist President of the USA. Shame on the NY Times and reporting that is more worthy of Pravda as controlled by Putin. Stand up and act like reporters and not stenographers for the right wing's talking points. This is IMPORTANT.
We just learned that Colin Powell blatantly lied to the American people -- LIED -- and Hillary Clinton was HONEST, but who is the dishonest one? Oh yes, people say "well she's running for President and Powell is not". But Trump is running for President and if you can find a word of truth in any speech he makes that is the exception, not the rule. Apparently, that doesn't matter.
And if the NYTimes had better reporting and didn't fall into the same trap they did during their Whitewater reporting, we might not be in danger of having the first fascist President of the USA. Shame on the NY Times and reporting that is more worthy of Pravda as controlled by Putin. Stand up and act like reporters and not stenographers for the right wing's talking points. This is IMPORTANT.
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So glad the NYT is not trying to characterize this incident as a "stumble" like CNN when both videos show that it was an utter collapse. The problem is, now even the doctor's explanation of "pneumonia" is in question since her whole team excels in dissembling. This is the same doctor who claims Hillary has a BP of 110/65; cholesterol of 195 with HDL of 64--all without a statin and while she was utterly bovine. The "good genes" excuse is out since both her parents suffered from cardiovascular disease. I hate to think a physician--or anyone--would lie, but it is like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. We never know what to believe from her team. Ugh!
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I'm overweight by my own standards for myself, I might even call myself bovine, but my blood pressure is 107/65, and my cholesterol is ideal without a single drug. I'm in excellent health on a diet similar to President Bill Clinton's, and perhaps Hillary is on a similar diet which would explain her exceptionally good numbers.
This is a very serious situation and she should be examined by one or two other doctors with first-rate back rounds Dr. Bartak it's not a first-rate doctor and she does not receive high marks from her patients online we cannot have a president of the United States who totally collapses in public. If she has pneumonia she is susceptible to things like septicemia which is a very dangerous condition. With the Clintons you can never be sure you're being told the truth. We should've been told immediately about her diagnosis of pneumonia but it took her collapsing in public to get that information out. At this moment I still plan on voting for her but I want to hear more about her health.
At least what Hillary has will be cured. Donald, no so sure.
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If I ever come down with pneumonia, I'm heading straight to Chelsea's apartment so I can benefit from the amazing curative powers that obviously reside there.
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So not clever, and in the nastiest possible way.
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Not funny.
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Looks to be from the responses here in the NYT, Clinton has her own legions of "Under Fire" supporters--though Nolte didn't "take" the video.
Just a matter of the right lighting and she'll remain electable with them--a desperate mob pushing her along for whatever it takes to achieve their ends, palliative drugs included, so it seems.
Just a matter of the right lighting and she'll remain electable with them--a desperate mob pushing her along for whatever it takes to achieve their ends, palliative drugs included, so it seems.
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An informative article from the NY Times in 1990 about Jim Henson and his death from pneumonia. He was 15 years younger than Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/29/science/the-doctor-s-world-henson-deat...
The leaders of the Democratic party should immediately inform the public about their possible replacement candidate.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/29/science/the-doctor-s-world-henson-deat...
The leaders of the Democratic party should immediately inform the public about their possible replacement candidate.
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He was a Christian Scientist. I believe he eschewed any medical treatment for his otherwise curable illness.
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Sadly Jim Hansen's health and ability to fight off infection was significantly compromised.
How dare you ignorantly use his health situation to denigrate Hillary.
How dare you ignorantly use his health situation to denigrate Hillary.
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What a joke she is. You should heard NPR this morning as well, they had the classic sympathizer covering up the I'll health of Hillary! If Trump left early it would be all over the place on the media! Hillary your days are numbered
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The Clinton campaign does not have a pro-active PR manager. They've allowed all the scandals (emails, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation and her health) to drag her reputation into the public septic tank. How can they blame Trump?
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Apparently, the campaign does indeed have a "director of communications." Jennifer Palmieri by name. The job George Stephanopoulos held in the '90s. But has anyone heard even a peep from her? Mrs. Clinton is being ill-served.
I'm sorry but this coverage reveals an inadvertent gender bias against working women that makes me bristle.
Women, especially working moms, go to work sick all the time. And I don't mean with PMS or seasonal allergies. I mean take your prescription meds and rest for a few days kind of sick. And we do it without whining ad nauseam about it.
Women who take time off work to take care for their kids are given all sorts grief about not pulling their weight. So we go to work sick, so when are kids are sick, we can take of them. And weaker sex, my eye. Men who do carpooling and the MDs office and volunteer at school are just as sick as members of the 'weaker sex.' Its exposure to kids and illness, not virility, that accounts for the difference,
Hillary Clinton did what countless other women do every day. Take their antibiotics, suck it up, suffer in silence and soldier on. There's no conspiracy to withhold health information-- she's just not a whiner.
Women, especially working moms, go to work sick all the time. And I don't mean with PMS or seasonal allergies. I mean take your prescription meds and rest for a few days kind of sick. And we do it without whining ad nauseam about it.
Women who take time off work to take care for their kids are given all sorts grief about not pulling their weight. So we go to work sick, so when are kids are sick, we can take of them. And weaker sex, my eye. Men who do carpooling and the MDs office and volunteer at school are just as sick as members of the 'weaker sex.' Its exposure to kids and illness, not virility, that accounts for the difference,
Hillary Clinton did what countless other women do every day. Take their antibiotics, suck it up, suffer in silence and soldier on. There's no conspiracy to withhold health information-- she's just not a whiner.
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Anyone can contract an infectious pneumonia. Such an illness does not entail underlying poor health.
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Q: - "How are you feeling Madam Secretary ?"
A: - "It's a beautiful day in New York!"
If only Donald Trump would give answers which were as honest and straight-forward as that --
Oh - wait...
A: - "It's a beautiful day in New York!"
If only Donald Trump would give answers which were as honest and straight-forward as that --
Oh - wait...
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If she had bacterial pneumonia (the doc prescribed antibiotics), then her doctor should order to bed rest and forbid her from the usual hand-shaking and baby-kissing that goes with campaigning. I hope she gets well soon, we certainly don't need another William Henry Harrison. But given all the lies and obfuscation, the media should treat every word coming out of her campaign with skepticism.
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According to WebMD: "If you get antibiotics, you usually cannot spread the infection to others after a day of treatment."
http://www.webmd.com/lung/tc/pneumonia-what-happens
http://www.webmd.com/lung/tc/pneumonia-what-happens
So she got a lung infection! It happens all the time. It happens to young and super-fit people! The amazing thing is that this sixty eight year old woman has been going around and maintain this hectic pace despite it! In hindsight, it would have been better for the campaign to have disclosed it on Friday and, more importantly, perhaps curtailed Hillary's activities for a few days. But, as they say, hindsight is 20/20. Now, can we get over his red herring and talk about the real issues, one of which is Trump's unfitness for the presidency.
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Yes, detailed reports for both. I also think psychiatric reports should be released by a bipartisan, objective psychiatrist. Trump needs a thorough evaluation. Mental health is important. So, yes, let's have all of it on both.
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The double standard here is actually absurd. If Clinton loses in November I will genuinely believe that the media will be partly to blame.
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Having had both pneumonia and dehydration, I'm in excellent shape, thank you very much.
Looking at overweight, overindulged, underexercised, puffy trump - male, 70 - one sees a heart attack/stroke waiting to happen.
Looking at overweight, overindulged, underexercised, puffy trump - male, 70 - one sees a heart attack/stroke waiting to happen.
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Metaphorically speaking, reading NYT with regards to these elections is no different from reading Moscow's Pravda during the communists' rule. With Clinton being the politburo chief and the readership being mostly overzealous communists. Truth or reason matter no more. Which has always been the case for that other orange guy.
If Clinton really wins in Nov, she sure should very handsomely award NYT whatever is in her capacity, and beyond it, for all the unconditional support, love, and idolatry provided.
If Clinton really wins in Nov, she sure should very handsomely award NYT whatever is in her capacity, and beyond it, for all the unconditional support, love, and idolatry provided.
This episode will turn into the usual media circus. Hillary probably should have skipped the 9/11 event, but that would have fueled speculation.
I want a president who even ill, shows up and tries her best. She was at the 9/11 event for ninety minutes.
Presidents go get sick. I recall in 1992 when President George HW Bush got sick and threw up all over the Japanese prime minister.
Hillary has clocked more road time than Trump in this campaign cycle. If she had some serious health issues, we would know already.
I want a president who even ill, shows up and tries her best. She was at the 9/11 event for ninety minutes.
Presidents go get sick. I recall in 1992 when President George HW Bush got sick and threw up all over the Japanese prime minister.
Hillary has clocked more road time than Trump in this campaign cycle. If she had some serious health issues, we would know already.
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According to news reports she arrived at 8:30 and left at 9:30. At the ceremony she stood beside Trump who left some time after she did. She seems to attend a lot of fundraisers, but is rarely seen actually meeting with large numbers of voters. He has traveled to Mexico and Louisiana. Perhaps the trips were ill advised, but Clinton turned down an invitation to Mexico even after scolding Trump for not behaving diplomatically. Trump has made at least five appearances in my state that ai am aware of, and possibly more. While I am not a Trump supporter I believe in fairness and respect for both candidates and I do not like to read comments where writers twist the facts a bit and get away with it. Don't like political candidates who do that either.
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Clinton is a deplorable liar who puts her own ambitions ahead of the good of the country. Time for her to reconsider her future.
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@Tim Prendergast
She is a deplorable candidate and worse, her handler's seem to have succumbed to the prevaricative disease. Dangerous! I asked last night (unpublished, of course) whether anyone else feels like we are watching Prince or Michael Jackson in the last days.
She is a deplorable candidate and worse, her handler's seem to have succumbed to the prevaricative disease. Dangerous! I asked last night (unpublished, of course) whether anyone else feels like we are watching Prince or Michael Jackson in the last days.
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Your prayers are about to be (partly) answered:
"Until Trump releases his complete medical records and also his tax returns, we do not know the current state of his health either."
Trump announced this morning that he's getting a full physical and has instructed his physicians to publicize the results. If he backtracks on that promise, it will look very bad. Presumably Clinton will do the same.
I don't know whether Trump is justified in not releasing his tax returns, or whether Clinton is justified in not releasing her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts. (I probably would balk in either case.) Trump has released several lengthy financial statements, however, apparently to comply with federal election laws. The last one (May) reportedly ran to 100+ pages. I haven't looked at it, but I suspect there's quite a bit there. Not sure whether his tax returns would add much to that 100+ page financial statement.
"Until Trump releases his complete medical records and also his tax returns, we do not know the current state of his health either."
Trump announced this morning that he's getting a full physical and has instructed his physicians to publicize the results. If he backtracks on that promise, it will look very bad. Presumably Clinton will do the same.
I don't know whether Trump is justified in not releasing his tax returns, or whether Clinton is justified in not releasing her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts. (I probably would balk in either case.) Trump has released several lengthy financial statements, however, apparently to comply with federal election laws. The last one (May) reportedly ran to 100+ pages. I haven't looked at it, but I suspect there's quite a bit there. Not sure whether his tax returns would add much to that 100+ page financial statement.
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Why didn't the Clinton campaign think of this sooner? Hillary gets a common bacterial infection that is debilitating but 100% curable with antibiotics. She keeps showing up for work just like millions of American workers and parents do when they should take a day or two off to rest and recuperate. She doesn't cry "Poor pitiful me!" or make herself out to be a martyr by announcing it to the public. She soldiers on. She stays in the ring and keeps fighting. What could be more "American" than that? She shows up to honor the heroic public servants and the fallen at the 9/11 memorial and commit to keeping American safe from terrorism. That shows her heart, her patriotism and her leadership. And little Donny Trump and his media gang use it to attack her. What more do we need to know about her or about him?
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Donny Trump,as you called him, said he hoped she was better soon. Sounds deplorable to me.
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How nice. His mama taught him some manners after all. But that was after he and his media posse have been making her stamina, her coughing, her health "secrets" another "weakness" and faux scandal to undermine her candidacy.
Aspirational pneumonia is a common companion to Parkinson's disease. It is not contagious. Just some trivia.
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And bacterial pneumonia isn't unsual in people exposed to, and susceptible to, environmental allergens, like pollen and ragwee.
Just found out that Trump will release the results of his recent physical on the "Dr. Oz" show. I am aghast that Trump is revealing his magnificent health numbers on a reality show. Must be that Duck Dynasty was booked. Hannity could give a "fair and balanced" slant to the wonderful news. Or maybe, he'll just announce that his health is being audited, and he will release the results when it's over. They will be fantastic, though, believe me.
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Reading all the comments here, I cannot stop wondering how much brain washed most democrats are (I am one of them).
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My headlines: A pox on all your houses. The Rx is Citizen skepticism of all media coverage.
The media packages news for clicks. Wash Post's verb use "fall ill" despite that "walking pneumonia" was more accurate reporting is typical of media sliminess.
She was going on with her schedule as many people with non serious illness commonly do. The "stickiness" media business model oozes toward the slippery slope of Trumpy female/weak memes.
He takes far more time off the campaign trail than her. He often plans his schedule to end up back in his bed most nights. He is overweight and eats poorly and no paragon of health. He looks to me like a walking ad for statins. How is this an accurate coverage of the more work(man)like schedule. Language so easily fortifies the male figure as in my last sentence.
How is the media making the wellness coverage accurate? Doesn't seem to be their pressing goal. Sad and disappointing. Women actuarially are healthier longer into life. What is with the freighted verbs, adjectives, adverbs? What about neutrality in a real world that has never had a US female head of state? So careless. So wrong.
The media packages news for clicks. Wash Post's verb use "fall ill" despite that "walking pneumonia" was more accurate reporting is typical of media sliminess.
She was going on with her schedule as many people with non serious illness commonly do. The "stickiness" media business model oozes toward the slippery slope of Trumpy female/weak memes.
He takes far more time off the campaign trail than her. He often plans his schedule to end up back in his bed most nights. He is overweight and eats poorly and no paragon of health. He looks to me like a walking ad for statins. How is this an accurate coverage of the more work(man)like schedule. Language so easily fortifies the male figure as in my last sentence.
How is the media making the wellness coverage accurate? Doesn't seem to be their pressing goal. Sad and disappointing. Women actuarially are healthier longer into life. What is with the freighted verbs, adjectives, adverbs? What about neutrality in a real world that has never had a US female head of state? So careless. So wrong.
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Hey - I'm nearly 62! I've got a badly bruised foot as a result of a poorly fitted shoe - until it heals I fin cod it difficult to walk, and I nearly collapsed when my foot collided with a table. Sorry I didn't announce it to my workgroup as soon as it happened, but instead said it didn't really hurt very much. Guess I should just resign now and admit that at 62 I am incapable of functioning because I seem to bruise 'too easily.' Obviously it was my poor judgement in selecting those shoes - and my physician should have diagnosed the problem much more quickly.
Of course, I may actually have Parkinson's. Or have had a stroke. Or polio! I could have polio!
.....sigh....
Of course, I may actually have Parkinson's. Or have had a stroke. Or polio! I could have polio!
.....sigh....
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My doctor requires me to have a pneumonia shot. Doesn't hers?
I think the real issue here is she has a public history of health issues so the question of her health (like McCain's) is warranted. Trump doesn't have a similar public history. But the problem is the campaign has followed their usual path and failed to tell the whole truth to begin with.
I think the real issue here is she has a public history of health issues so the question of her health (like McCain's) is warranted. Trump doesn't have a similar public history. But the problem is the campaign has followed their usual path and failed to tell the whole truth to begin with.
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The pneumonia shot only covers one type of bacterial pneumonia, S. pneumococcus. The are many other types.
I suspect she has had that shot, as have I. Yet I still remain susceptible to the type of bacterial pneumonia you can get from allergens, etc. That's a good question. I wonder what that shot is really for. I just assumed the shot was for the type of pneumonia frail, elderly,, bedridden old people get in nursing homes, but would be nice to have an answer. Maybe Hillary and I just got lousy shots.
Your doctor is not legally able to do any treatment of you whatsoever without your informed consent unless you are not alert and oriented.
So your doctor could not possibly require you to do anything.
So your doctor could not possibly require you to do anything.
I contracted walking pneumonia on our last night in Dublin on a recent trip. The flight back was interminable
I went to city md that weekend and got antibiotic. I didn't get much better. I went for chest exam which showed the diagnosis. I went on another antibiotic which finally after a month I began to feel better. I'm half Mrs clinton's age.
So I know her fortitude that she has been able to keep going in spite of having this diagnosis. I hope she feels better soon. She will need to be ready to counter mr trump's comments at the debate since the moderator can't be counted on to do his job
I went to city md that weekend and got antibiotic. I didn't get much better. I went for chest exam which showed the diagnosis. I went on another antibiotic which finally after a month I began to feel better. I'm half Mrs clinton's age.
So I know her fortitude that she has been able to keep going in spite of having this diagnosis. I hope she feels better soon. She will need to be ready to counter mr trump's comments at the debate since the moderator can't be counted on to do his job
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Is she treated for pneumonia, or suffering from it?
I wish her well.
Her internal struggles can't help but take their toll.
May she be given wisdom to find her way out of them.
Her internal struggles can't help but take their toll.
May she be given wisdom to find her way out of them.
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On the plus side, this is the first time that Republicans have ever cared about a woman's health.
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Uh Oh! Looks like the DEMOCRAT butt kissing media will have to go into warp overdrive to cover for Clinton even more so than they usually do. Let's see how many front page headlines deal with Donald Trump rather than Hillary and her health problems and how many talking head news readers on TV cover for her. I see her coughing fits alone as like the barking dog she mentioned a while ago in a speech. Every time she starts lying about Donald Trump, Republicans or Trump supporters, she ends up in a gagging, coughing fit like the dog that supposedly barked.
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Clinton's pneumonia does not change the fact that Donald Trump is not qualified or fit to be President.
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And Donald Trump's boorishness does not change the fact that Billary is not qualified or fit to be president.
Why does everyone immediately believe the pneumonia excuse. Why would anyone believe anything out of the Clinton camp? Old, fat, scandal ridden, distrusted by over half the country and now physically weak. I get it that you have your legions of apologists. They're basically idiots. The rest of us want a scandal-free, ethical, inspiring and very physically and mentally tough commander in chief. Trump's not the answer, but Hillary is less the answer every day. And here's a tip, Clintonistas. Your nonsense about Right Wing Smears doesn't fool anyone. The vast majority of Progressives and Moderate Conservatives pay little attention to Right Wing media. We formed our opinions over many years by simply listening to this woman and her childish explanations of so many gaffes, stumbles and lies.
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Hillary has had too many 'incidents'. I sense her medical team and the press are covering for her. I feel she has Parkinson's, and it has been kept a secret for some time.
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So glad to see she is feeling better and her supporters supporting her quick recovery, or better how to compare her health to justify that there is nothing out of the ordinary here.
However the video that 'appears' to show her legs buckling and her almost just falling to the ground and feet actually dragging on the ground,albeit, her security helping her into the van.... Quite a quick recovery after leaving her daughters...(was she given a glass of orange juice as diabetic reaction would use or something else to help what ails her?) and given a diagnosis that one has pneumonia on Friday and she is up out and about on Sunday hugging children? She also has cancelled a trip to California with an allergy cough a week ago...sounds pretty much like she is not healthy at this current time, and something is going on health wise.
If she wins the election( and she should), and she is not healthy are we ready for Tim Kane to be our President and is he qualified?And what kind of a President would he make?
However the video that 'appears' to show her legs buckling and her almost just falling to the ground and feet actually dragging on the ground,albeit, her security helping her into the van.... Quite a quick recovery after leaving her daughters...(was she given a glass of orange juice as diabetic reaction would use or something else to help what ails her?) and given a diagnosis that one has pneumonia on Friday and she is up out and about on Sunday hugging children? She also has cancelled a trip to California with an allergy cough a week ago...sounds pretty much like she is not healthy at this current time, and something is going on health wise.
If she wins the election( and she should), and she is not healthy are we ready for Tim Kane to be our President and is he qualified?And what kind of a President would he make?
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"...are we ready for Tim Kane to be our President and is he qualified?"
Well, Kaine did go to Harvard rather than Yale. That's a step in the right direction.
Well, Kaine did go to Harvard rather than Yale. That's a step in the right direction.
I don't care if Hillary Clinton is really sick. I also choose Tim Kaine over Trump any day.
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What is in the water that NYT readers parrot praise for the greatest carpetbagging liar in history? The beauty of this moment is each one of us can attest to our own morality, dignity and self respect by knowing we are supporting a person for President who should be in jail. Truly astonishing when you know that no one supported Nixon but then again that is when we all, republican and democrat, had dignity.
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I remember when Bush threw up in Japan -- the late night comedians had a field day, altho I don't remember any Democrats alleging that it made him unfit for office. Anyway, I was no fan of the man, but I sympathized with him in that instance, and I sympathize with HRC right now.
No reason not to accept Clinton at her word for now -- especially if she releases her medical records this week and they support what she's told us. (Trump announced he's getting a full physical this week and has instructed his physicians to publicize the results. Presumably Clinton will follow suit.)
Hillary Clinton’s Doctor Says Pneumonia Led to Abrupt Exit From 9/11 Event and, hopefully, an abrupt exit from politics.
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