It is unfortunate that Hillary Clinton became ill at a critical time in her campaign. What troubles me is the same old secretiveness that is a trademark of the Clintons. I think most people would understand that you need to take a couple of days off because you have pneumonia. I think Hillary Clinton could use some new advisors. Her secretiveness is what makes many people distrust her. Her comment about the deplorables was extremely poor judgment. It fanned the flames of anger already burning. To me it seems like she has a pretty low opinion of the intelligence of the average working class American; she acts like we cannot handle the truth. I believe Trump also has contempt for us also but he is a better actor/liar than she is. I am still committed to voting for her because of the alternative, but with each passing week I feel more and more anxious about the future of our country.
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Her hubris will be her, and our, undoing. Imagine President Hillary Clinton needing to respond immediately to a profound risk to the United States, e.g., a possible nuclear attack. She's ill, but she won't admit it, and decides to "soldier on." She faints, or becomes incapacitated at the crucial moment. We're all endangered by her insistence on secrecy; she unilaterally decides what the public may or may not know about her private life, but if and when she becomes our president, her private life largely becomes public, whether it involves email servers that can be hacked, or a president that may "pass out" at any moment. Nobody is addressing the metal object that fell from her pant leg on Sunday. The American people need to know the truth about Hillary Clinton's health. By the way, I'm a life-long Democrat, but I feel that any candidate's health status is a critical issue when it may jeopardize the safety of all Americans.
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Clinton's problem, as it always has been, is with the truth. Human beings get sick, no problem. Clinton, however cannot even tell the truth about being sick. She lies about everything, and that is the problem with Clinton as President. Not only does she lie, but she goes so far as to blame "right wing conspiracies" whenever she is questioned about the subject of her lies. The pattern is clear, if she is blaming a "right wing conspiracy", then chances are good she is lying and the "conspiracy" is solid fact. She is a serial liar. She is untrustworthy. That is why she cannot be President.
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I'm no fan of Donald Trump but it's interesting to me that when describing the comments Mrs. Clinton made at the fundraiser the author characterizes the remark as "some portion" when in fact Clinton said "half" of Trump's supporters were "deplorables".
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What tremendously empathetic and gracious writing in explaining our "troublesome" but wonderful pal Hillary. So nice of the writer to use the term: "some portion"... of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorables.” - Instead of "half" - as was said originally.
It is beyond ridiculous to continue try to sell these damaged goods to the American people. The policies that Bill Clinton managed to put in place are those that have so wounded America economically as to give us such a large "basket of deplorables" in the first place. While Hillary and her "Let them eat cake" pals mock the working people of this nation, the reality is that many Trump supporters are, more than anything, in opposition to a return of The Clinton's to the White House and they are for a repudiation of the many Clinton policies that placed this country at the very weakened point it is.
Without her pals to carry her, she would never have made it this far. She had to have help to win against Sanders, whom, I believe, was the victim of rigging, beginning with Iowa. Certainly Nevada was rigged - with the casinos holding voting onsite, accompanied by catered meals and paid time off.
She can't stand up on her own. Without the cadre of handlers and staff she has no strength. Xi Jinping and Putin will make mincemeat out of her. And if she's elected, America will have to survive a leader who is the very embodiment of the collapsed candidate being helped into the van.
It is beyond ridiculous to continue try to sell these damaged goods to the American people. The policies that Bill Clinton managed to put in place are those that have so wounded America economically as to give us such a large "basket of deplorables" in the first place. While Hillary and her "Let them eat cake" pals mock the working people of this nation, the reality is that many Trump supporters are, more than anything, in opposition to a return of The Clinton's to the White House and they are for a repudiation of the many Clinton policies that placed this country at the very weakened point it is.
Without her pals to carry her, she would never have made it this far. She had to have help to win against Sanders, whom, I believe, was the victim of rigging, beginning with Iowa. Certainly Nevada was rigged - with the casinos holding voting onsite, accompanied by catered meals and paid time off.
She can't stand up on her own. Without the cadre of handlers and staff she has no strength. Xi Jinping and Putin will make mincemeat out of her. And if she's elected, America will have to survive a leader who is the very embodiment of the collapsed candidate being helped into the van.
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The more important and relevant medical records would be those of of the candidates' parents. Predisposition of genetic structures are better predictors of suseptibility and predictibilty of old age illness. Environmental concerns are important, but, it is safe to assume that both candidates come from safe living environments and life styles.
All in all, they're both too old to bet on their health security. Term limits and age limits are absolutely in order.
All in all, they're both too old to bet on their health security. Term limits and age limits are absolutely in order.
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The "basket of deplorables" comment was stupid. It will have repercussions for the rest of the campaign. It could cost Hillary the election as millions of Trump voters are motivated by anger to vote, including fence-riders who take great offense being lumped together with the Alt-Right. More than that, should Hillary survive this horrendous gaffe, she will enter office with an even more divided citizenry.
The health issue is a red herring. Hillary on her worst day is infinitely superior to Donald Trump. And should Tim Kaine ascend to the presidency, he would be infinitely superior to Trump, or by direct comparison, to Mike Pence.
So, how is that we find ourselves talking about these things instead of the real issues of the campaign, the things that will determine the future of our country? How is it that Donald Trump is not being held to the same transparency standards as Hillary? And how is it that Trump is not being held accountable by the electorate for his statements, his beliefs and his dishonesty?
That is the job of the media and our national media has failed to make the real issues of the campaign the issues that we talk about. In their quest for ratings and newspaper sales, they have legitimized the spectacle of Trump. He has played them.
They may still redeem themselves though the conduct and the reporting on the upcoming debates. Fox News has already announced that they plan to allow Donald Trump to lie with impunity. Hopefully the first two debates will not.
The health issue is a red herring. Hillary on her worst day is infinitely superior to Donald Trump. And should Tim Kaine ascend to the presidency, he would be infinitely superior to Trump, or by direct comparison, to Mike Pence.
So, how is that we find ourselves talking about these things instead of the real issues of the campaign, the things that will determine the future of our country? How is it that Donald Trump is not being held to the same transparency standards as Hillary? And how is it that Trump is not being held accountable by the electorate for his statements, his beliefs and his dishonesty?
That is the job of the media and our national media has failed to make the real issues of the campaign the issues that we talk about. In their quest for ratings and newspaper sales, they have legitimized the spectacle of Trump. He has played them.
They may still redeem themselves though the conduct and the reporting on the upcoming debates. Fox News has already announced that they plan to allow Donald Trump to lie with impunity. Hopefully the first two debates will not.
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Interesting that Clinton's Secret Service detail saw it as their function to gather closely around the event clearly to shield her from onlookers with and without cameras while she was stumbling. I didn't think that was their function.
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Misgivings about Hillary Clinton are quite consolidated among American voters by now. Perception, based on facts, cannot be changed. Period.
The odds favor Hillary being elected president because the alternative is Donald Trump, the populist anti establishment candidate.
The odds favor Hillary being elected president because the alternative is Donald Trump, the populist anti establishment candidate.
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It was not "some portion" of Trump supporters that were branded by her, it was one half.
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This piece is pouring it on thick. Calling her Iron Woman? Speaking of her hard-won resiliency? Describing her escape to the privacy of her van poignant? Her reputation of being a liar for the last thirty years is hard won. She is a resilient liar. Blaming "absurdist allegations" about her health by her opponent's supporters for her very bad judgment to, again, obfuscate and double-speak about her health is a stretch, even for her most ardent supporters. Ask David Axelrod. She simply cannot tell the truth and, apparently, her team has very poor crisis communication skills. What about telling the truth and taking a couple of days off? I don't wish her ill, and I haven't heard a cacophony of voices saying that either. But I don't want to be lied to by her. Enough is enough. She has created yet another problem for herself. It is not anyone else's fault that she continues her long, tawdry history of duplicity.
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The real question is what do Americans today value the most? When a woman didn't fall apart publicly after the biggest scandal of betral, they accused her of being unemotional. She pressed on and has built the most coherent political career on her own. They accused her of being not trustworthy. She endured the physical discomfort to attend a public event , they again accused her for not disclosing her illness , insinuating it being something life threatening.
It seems to me this country has long lost its moral compass. Or is it the media that want us to think that? In another place, at another time, Hillary Clinton would have been viewed as the epitome of courage and restraint, inspiration for all. America, you should consider yourself very lucky to have someone like Hillary Clinton to be your presidential candidate, be kind to her. Has anyone sent her flowers and asked her how she is doing?
It seems to me this country has long lost its moral compass. Or is it the media that want us to think that? In another place, at another time, Hillary Clinton would have been viewed as the epitome of courage and restraint, inspiration for all. America, you should consider yourself very lucky to have someone like Hillary Clinton to be your presidential candidate, be kind to her. Has anyone sent her flowers and asked her how she is doing?
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Well, yes...
"Only in America ...... now we want the medical records of Presidential candidates ! Maybe I am being naive but I would NOT expect anyone running for this office to be knowingly suffering from a life threatening or greatly disabling disease - what would be the point? For a few months of glory ? Would anyone be that stupid, that egotistical, that me, me, me?"
I'm generally in favor of letting Presidential candidates maintain some privacy. They've both complied with federal election laws, making extensive financial and other disclosures. I'd not insist that either candidate reveal more -- Trump's tax returns, Clinton's Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, whatever.
Nor do I think Clinton (or Trump) has any duty to respond to some shoot-from-the-hip allegation about her health made by Matt Drudge or Donald Trump or anyone else.
On the other hand ...
When a candidate has a three-minute coughing fit, shortly after having had another coughing fit that causes her to cut short a press conference on her airplane, and a week later leaves early from a 9/11 memorial event and collapses while trying to enter a van, I do start to wonder whether that person is healthy enough to carry out the duties of President. When I thereupon learn that the candidate kept her pneumonia diagnosis private (even though I too would have kept it private), I naturally want to see some independent verification of that candidate's medical condition.
Seems reasonable to me.
"Only in America ...... now we want the medical records of Presidential candidates ! Maybe I am being naive but I would NOT expect anyone running for this office to be knowingly suffering from a life threatening or greatly disabling disease - what would be the point? For a few months of glory ? Would anyone be that stupid, that egotistical, that me, me, me?"
I'm generally in favor of letting Presidential candidates maintain some privacy. They've both complied with federal election laws, making extensive financial and other disclosures. I'd not insist that either candidate reveal more -- Trump's tax returns, Clinton's Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, whatever.
Nor do I think Clinton (or Trump) has any duty to respond to some shoot-from-the-hip allegation about her health made by Matt Drudge or Donald Trump or anyone else.
On the other hand ...
When a candidate has a three-minute coughing fit, shortly after having had another coughing fit that causes her to cut short a press conference on her airplane, and a week later leaves early from a 9/11 memorial event and collapses while trying to enter a van, I do start to wonder whether that person is healthy enough to carry out the duties of President. When I thereupon learn that the candidate kept her pneumonia diagnosis private (even though I too would have kept it private), I naturally want to see some independent verification of that candidate's medical condition.
Seems reasonable to me.
Once again we can thank a private individual (the person who shot the video) for this latest example of Clinton's lies and obfuscations. Where was her lackey press pool? Content to obey the Clinton campaign order to sit in the corner like good little boys and girls and not ask any questions or follow Clinton around.
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Yes, we are making too much of this. I know plenty of people with walking pneumonia who have tried to forge on. I mean this was going around her campaign team.
I do have a suggestion for her though- during the next weeks of the campaign she should try to lie down and listen to a yoga nidre recording for about 30-40 minutes, depending on how much time she has. There are plenty of recordings online and some are as short as 20 minutes. It is a form of deep relaxation and it is said that one hour of yoga nidre is worth 3-4 hours of sleep. It can be very healing. I wish her the very best and a complete recovery.
I do have a suggestion for her though- during the next weeks of the campaign she should try to lie down and listen to a yoga nidre recording for about 30-40 minutes, depending on how much time she has. There are plenty of recordings online and some are as short as 20 minutes. It is a form of deep relaxation and it is said that one hour of yoga nidre is worth 3-4 hours of sleep. It can be very healing. I wish her the very best and a complete recovery.
Now Putin is Trump's "best friend?"
"Why doesn't anyone seem to care that Trump is best friends with the President of Russia..."
Best friends? I this getting a bit out of hand? By all accounts, Trump and Putin have never even met or communicated with one another in any way.
"Why doesn't anyone seem to care that Trump is best friends with the President of Russia..."
Best friends? I this getting a bit out of hand? By all accounts, Trump and Putin have never even met or communicated with one another in any way.
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I just don't get it. Perusing these comments, it's clear that most commenters despise either Hillary or Trump. So where are the advocates for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein?
If the major media would stop hiding them, they would both be contenders. And either is far superior to Clinton of Trump!
If the major media would stop hiding them, they would both be contenders. And either is far superior to Clinton of Trump!
This is a non-story. The media has little to do but to play over and over again the tape of Clinton stumbling. Clinton is not required to report to the media like a child that she has pneumonia.
Clinton (including Trump) has to release basic information about their health. Only if they have an incapacitating disease should the public know. What does the press want, the result of her gyn examination?
Let put the focus on Trump. Where are his taxes? Nail him down on his foreign policy. Ask him why he became a birther. There are a lot of unanswered questions about Trump including how does his immigration policy meshes with his wife Melanie coming into the United States in 1995.
Clinton (including Trump) has to release basic information about their health. Only if they have an incapacitating disease should the public know. What does the press want, the result of her gyn examination?
Let put the focus on Trump. Where are his taxes? Nail him down on his foreign policy. Ask him why he became a birther. There are a lot of unanswered questions about Trump including how does his immigration policy meshes with his wife Melanie coming into the United States in 1995.
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I don't like Trump or Hillary, but with that being said, watching HRC being assisted from the 9/11 ceremony and falling to the ground was extremely disturbing. I saw other videos of that incident (other than shown on the networks)... it looked like the SS agents were lifting a cadaver with rigor mortis into a hearse and voters have every right to be concerned.
This woman wants to lead the free world, blanks out, has to be carried from the ceremony, falls to the ground, and later announces "I didn't think it was that big a deal"?
Well, I do and I 'm certain millions of other voters do as well. Whatever her situation is, the Clinton Foundation and her campaign are working to keep this information from the public, especially when the woman looks as if she belongs in a long term care facility.
The issue for voters is this: If the phone in the White House bedroom rings at 3:00 a.m. and the Pentagon is on the line and they advise her "Incoming from North Korea? Permission to engage?"....and she drops the phone and falls to the floor again, what are we going to do then? Hope Bill can it decide for her? Both candidates need full disclosure of their medical records. The national security of the United States takes precedence over Hillary's health every time....maybe it's not too late to draft Biden.
This woman wants to lead the free world, blanks out, has to be carried from the ceremony, falls to the ground, and later announces "I didn't think it was that big a deal"?
Well, I do and I 'm certain millions of other voters do as well. Whatever her situation is, the Clinton Foundation and her campaign are working to keep this information from the public, especially when the woman looks as if she belongs in a long term care facility.
The issue for voters is this: If the phone in the White House bedroom rings at 3:00 a.m. and the Pentagon is on the line and they advise her "Incoming from North Korea? Permission to engage?"....and she drops the phone and falls to the floor again, what are we going to do then? Hope Bill can it decide for her? Both candidates need full disclosure of their medical records. The national security of the United States takes precedence over Hillary's health every time....maybe it's not too late to draft Biden.
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First, I wish Mrs. Clinton a speedy and complete recovery.
Second, I doubt any statement coming from her lips regarding any matter of importance, given her long history of coverup and deceit.
Second, I doubt any statement coming from her lips regarding any matter of importance, given her long history of coverup and deceit.
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Watching as wincing, as Trump the terrible is given yet another free pass by the media.
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As a deplorable Harvard trained MD anesthesiologist I find no surprise in this author's conclusion that somehow it's Trump's fault that it is unfolding this way. As a sanguine ex New Yorker i continue to read your publications every day for the uplift of never being disappointed.
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"If the worst happens, Clinton dies in office and we get her V.P., Kaine. Who would you vote for, Kaine or Trump? Obviously Kaine is the better choice..."
I suspect most voters would pick Kaine over Trump, just as you predict. But voters deserve to know, now, if Kaine, not Clinton, is likely to be President. Voters don't know much about Kaine yet (or Pence), because Clinton is the one running for President, not Kaine.
If Clinton withdraws, or it appears she's certain to lose because voters conclude she's not told them the whole truth about her health (even if she has), that might not occur until very shortly before the election, in which case Kaine might not have enough time left to persuade voters to elect him. Would that be good for the Democratic Party? To avoid that possibility, if it appears today that Kaine might end up as the Democratic candidate, does it make more sense to switch now rather than later?
I suspect most voters would pick Kaine over Trump, just as you predict. But voters deserve to know, now, if Kaine, not Clinton, is likely to be President. Voters don't know much about Kaine yet (or Pence), because Clinton is the one running for President, not Kaine.
If Clinton withdraws, or it appears she's certain to lose because voters conclude she's not told them the whole truth about her health (even if she has), that might not occur until very shortly before the election, in which case Kaine might not have enough time left to persuade voters to elect him. Would that be good for the Democratic Party? To avoid that possibility, if it appears today that Kaine might end up as the Democratic candidate, does it make more sense to switch now rather than later?
I am a Clinton supporter. As many have said, the campaign is hers to lose. Her right to privacy in being ill, however, was not worth the bad publicity that her pneumonia has generated. Her husband, staff, and advisors, who knew the facts, lack much credibility in not advising her otherwise. It was an opportunity to reveal her humanity, that she is not "superwoman." Stupid and unnecessary and potentially a contribution to losing support! LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE, please!
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Just because Clinton doesn't play the victim, the press hates her. She is the better of the two candidates by a light year mile. Go Clinton!
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Health is indeed of great concern. Would anyone hire someone who is not going to be available 100% to do their job? The position as president of this country is one with many responsibilities and stress. Decisions made by the president on a daily basis that affect this country and the world are of great consequence. Therefore, we need to hire someone that will be able to perform their duties consistently instead of being dragged. Hillary should show strength of character now, give up on her dream of becoming the first woman president (many have to give up their dreams for the benefit of others) and concede her nomination to other candidates in the Democratic party now that it is still early. That will really win respect and admiration for her and the Democratic party and will strengthen our stance against the inept Republican nominee.
"Why can't we see [Trump's] tax returns (which would likely show ... he's paid shady money to the Russians."
Not sure what Trump's tax returns would show that's not already shown in the 100+ page financial statement he publicly filed in May to comply with federal election laws, though I suppose just about anything's possible. (Have you read that statement, by the way? Were you even aware he filed it?)
I'm pretty sure there's no line item on any tax return form for payments of "shady money to the Russians." If Trump ever made such a payment (pure speculation), it's a fair bet he never reported it on any tax return, even disguised as some deductible expense. However cleverly it might be labeled, any such payment would raise eyebrows at the IRS that Trump probably would prefer not be raised. Again, though, just about anything is possible.
Also again, have you read the 100+ page financial statement Trump filed in May? Were you even aware he filed it? If the answer to either question is "no," you probably should take a look (I confess I haven't). I'll bet federal election laws require all sorts of disclosures, and I've never heard that Trump's filing failed to comply. While you're waiting for Trump to release his tax returns (or for Clinton to release her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, or health records), you might spend your free time reading that 100+ page financial statement.
For now, I'm looking forward to each candidate's promised release of health records. You too?
Not sure what Trump's tax returns would show that's not already shown in the 100+ page financial statement he publicly filed in May to comply with federal election laws, though I suppose just about anything's possible. (Have you read that statement, by the way? Were you even aware he filed it?)
I'm pretty sure there's no line item on any tax return form for payments of "shady money to the Russians." If Trump ever made such a payment (pure speculation), it's a fair bet he never reported it on any tax return, even disguised as some deductible expense. However cleverly it might be labeled, any such payment would raise eyebrows at the IRS that Trump probably would prefer not be raised. Again, though, just about anything is possible.
Also again, have you read the 100+ page financial statement Trump filed in May? Were you even aware he filed it? If the answer to either question is "no," you probably should take a look (I confess I haven't). I'll bet federal election laws require all sorts of disclosures, and I've never heard that Trump's filing failed to comply. While you're waiting for Trump to release his tax returns (or for Clinton to release her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, or health records), you might spend your free time reading that 100+ page financial statement.
For now, I'm looking forward to each candidate's promised release of health records. You too?
I agreed with how Clinton handled this, but not now.
I too would have not reported a pneumonia diagnosis. I'd have "toughed it out," just as she did, trying to "take it easy" but not wanting to give my critics any clue that I had a health problem. I suspect most other people would have done just the same.
But that didn't work out. Nice try, but it didn't work out, News of the pneumonia diagnosis is out there.
The question now is whether Clinton should release, or not release, medical records. I don't think anybody's (fairly) asking for records of childhood immunizations -- just enough to figure out (a) whether Clinton has been telling the truth about her recent "medical episodes" (the coughing fits on her plane and in Cleveland, and her fainting in New York); and (b) whether she's got some serious health problem that might prevent her from carrying out her duties as President. I'd like to know the very same things about Trump, and I'll be playing very close attention if he backtracks at all on his promise yesterday to get a complete physical and publicly report the results.
I think my approach is exactly how most people would have handled this: Try to keep the pneumonia diagnosis private, but release my medical records if the pneumonia diagnosis nevertheless becomes public knowledge.
I too would have not reported a pneumonia diagnosis. I'd have "toughed it out," just as she did, trying to "take it easy" but not wanting to give my critics any clue that I had a health problem. I suspect most other people would have done just the same.
But that didn't work out. Nice try, but it didn't work out, News of the pneumonia diagnosis is out there.
The question now is whether Clinton should release, or not release, medical records. I don't think anybody's (fairly) asking for records of childhood immunizations -- just enough to figure out (a) whether Clinton has been telling the truth about her recent "medical episodes" (the coughing fits on her plane and in Cleveland, and her fainting in New York); and (b) whether she's got some serious health problem that might prevent her from carrying out her duties as President. I'd like to know the very same things about Trump, and I'll be playing very close attention if he backtracks at all on his promise yesterday to get a complete physical and publicly report the results.
I think my approach is exactly how most people would have handled this: Try to keep the pneumonia diagnosis private, but release my medical records if the pneumonia diagnosis nevertheless becomes public knowledge.
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What a sad statement about HRC's judgment. Having a contagious disease and playing with her grandchildren as mentioned by her staff and then closely greeting a young girl outside of her daughter's apartment. And many Griberized voters want to elect her? This alone is the reason not to vote for HRC!
I have many words to describe Hillary Clinton. "Frail" is not among them.
It is her right to not disclose - but going out in public after such a diagnosis, before the antibiotics shut down her ability to pass the infection to others shows a disdain for those she meets or has contact with in her public appearances. She may be in fine shape for a 68 year old person - but lots of folks got exposed to her pneumonia that might not have quite so good of immune system.
It is the penchant for secrecy misperceived by herself as privacy that will finally kill her chances and our hopes.
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If Donald Trump is considered by himself or others as the epitome of good health at age seventy, then I am a monkeys uncle. He has 11 years on me, yet he looks much older than his 70 years of life. If Hilary must bare her legs for the world to see, than so should Trump, maybe not in a skirt/dress but at least a pair of shorts.
Let's have a look at those legs, and those arms too, Mr. Trump, the country needs to have you run a quick mile for us, perform a couple of pull-ups, sit-ups, along with a few yoga positions, and the press corps must be present to witness and report about. Now that would be a story.
Let's have a look at those legs, and those arms too, Mr. Trump, the country needs to have you run a quick mile for us, perform a couple of pull-ups, sit-ups, along with a few yoga positions, and the press corps must be present to witness and report about. Now that would be a story.
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Far more wincing should be made at the least transparent and least trustworthy candidate, Trump whose only campaign revelation is how great and how loved he is. Shame on the media for fixating on Hillary Clinton as the highly flawed candidate while mostly giving the deplorably and terminally flawed Donald Trump a pass. Everyone, no matter how healthy is capable of contracting pneumonia. Truly dedicated leaders show up for work no matter how they feel but that angle doesn't sell newspapers apparently.
Where is the media's urgency to secure Trump's tax returns or at least a copy of an IRS audit letter, not to mention debunking that ridiculous letter of hyperbolic claims about his health quickly penned by Trump's physician in the back of a limousine. Where's all the outrage over his prediction of not only a rigged election, if he loses but now rigged debates if moderators are allowed. Donald Trump continues to demonstrate how blatantly ill-equipped he is for the presidency as his campaign unfolds more like a cross between a cheesy television reality show and a circus.
We can add most of the media to that basket of deplorables with respect to the imbalanced coverage of this presidential race.
Where is the media's urgency to secure Trump's tax returns or at least a copy of an IRS audit letter, not to mention debunking that ridiculous letter of hyperbolic claims about his health quickly penned by Trump's physician in the back of a limousine. Where's all the outrage over his prediction of not only a rigged election, if he loses but now rigged debates if moderators are allowed. Donald Trump continues to demonstrate how blatantly ill-equipped he is for the presidency as his campaign unfolds more like a cross between a cheesy television reality show and a circus.
We can add most of the media to that basket of deplorables with respect to the imbalanced coverage of this presidential race.
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How many readers considered this story and thought, "I have done the same thing?" It's so common, especially for women, to contract an illness and soldier on without telling anyone. Clinton was just carrying on, and most importantly did not want to miss the 9/11 rememberance.
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This is a nonissue unless you are desperate for the Dumpster to win.
Hillary is competent, the other clown is not.
Walking pneumonia is not a disqualifier.
Fraudulent tax returns are- maybe you should make an issue of that.
Stop looking for issues where there are none.
And stop holding women to a higher standard than men.
Hillary is competent, the other clown is not.
Walking pneumonia is not a disqualifier.
Fraudulent tax returns are- maybe you should make an issue of that.
Stop looking for issues where there are none.
And stop holding women to a higher standard than men.
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The news over here in Europe is the latest violence of brown shirted Trump supporters assaulting Trump protesters with ugliness, violence, expletives and profane gestures. The courage of these young people who make a statement in the face of these ignorant thugs is exemplary. Kudos to them.
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The press corp pressed:
What can the US do about North Korean nuclear weapons:
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York
The press corp pressed:
How strong is the US military?
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York.
The press corp asked:
Do you support a parents right to choose where to send their child to school?
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York.
Where are the speech transcripts?
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York....
What can the US do about North Korean nuclear weapons:
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York
The press corp pressed:
How strong is the US military?
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York.
The press corp asked:
Do you support a parents right to choose where to send their child to school?
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York.
Where are the speech transcripts?
HRC: It's a beautiful day in New York....
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"This summer, a gift shop at Baltimore-Washington International Airport sold a novelty item called the “inflatable mini Hillary bop bag”; the box displays a large, presumably male fist in contact with the side of Clinton’s head and the words: “She falls down, but pops back up!” It is a hateful and misogynist object..."
Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!
Once you call a humorous and playful toy "hateful" and "misogynist" you weaken those words. Then they have no power when someone is actually hateful and misogynist.
So Hillary Clinton does not lie, she "fibs". I guess she does not make mistakes either, she "stumbles".
I have gotten used to Dr Krugman's anti-Trump and Charles Blow's pro-Clinton screeds, but I guess now ALL New York Times writers need to cover for the corrupt and war-mongering White lady.
Too bad too, had you all not worked hand in hand with Debbie Wasserman Schultz into turning the DNC into an arm of the Clinton campaign we could have had Bernie Sanders as the nominee.
Remember Bernie? The non-damaged, non-corrupt, non-war-mongering person also running for the Presidency as a Democrat?
Luckily I live in a safe red state so I will be able to vote my conscience, I will be writing in "Bernie Sanders' this November.
I also will not be reading the rest of this article, based on the first few paragraphs it is just another content-free puff piece trying to convince us that Hillary is somehow "better" than "The Donald".
When she isn't.
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Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!
Once you call a humorous and playful toy "hateful" and "misogynist" you weaken those words. Then they have no power when someone is actually hateful and misogynist.
So Hillary Clinton does not lie, she "fibs". I guess she does not make mistakes either, she "stumbles".
I have gotten used to Dr Krugman's anti-Trump and Charles Blow's pro-Clinton screeds, but I guess now ALL New York Times writers need to cover for the corrupt and war-mongering White lady.
Too bad too, had you all not worked hand in hand with Debbie Wasserman Schultz into turning the DNC into an arm of the Clinton campaign we could have had Bernie Sanders as the nominee.
Remember Bernie? The non-damaged, non-corrupt, non-war-mongering person also running for the Presidency as a Democrat?
Luckily I live in a safe red state so I will be able to vote my conscience, I will be writing in "Bernie Sanders' this November.
I also will not be reading the rest of this article, based on the first few paragraphs it is just another content-free puff piece trying to convince us that Hillary is somehow "better" than "The Donald".
When she isn't.
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Oh, heavens to Betsy! Hillary tripped. Constantly surrounded by body guards, journalists, and other human bodies that give off heat, why wouldn't an otherwise healthy person feel in need for oxygen? Trump, the guy with the hilarious forged doctor's note, has shown (and no amount of 'softening' will ever change my opinion of him), his cowardly nature, his total lack of class and character, and his talent for blind-siding unsuspecting people who in some way, have offended Trump's delicate sensibilities. I'd like to borrow a term from Arnold Schwarzenegger and apply it liberally to Donald Trump. Since name calling is now an accepted form of campaigning, let's call Trump a 'girly man.'
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Two points. First, what the illness problem highlights is Hillary's inability to tell the truth about anything, great of small.
Secondly, what is all this refrain about "competence"? She has been in public life and public service for over thirty years and no one has ever pointed to a single positive accomplishment of her career. Not one. Except for the fact that she has succeeded in making herself and Bill filthy rich.
If there is some other real accomplishment that shows competence I wish someone would point it out.
Secondly, what is all this refrain about "competence"? She has been in public life and public service for over thirty years and no one has ever pointed to a single positive accomplishment of her career. Not one. Except for the fact that she has succeeded in making herself and Bill filthy rich.
If there is some other real accomplishment that shows competence I wish someone would point it out.
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Anyone who has had recurring bouts of pneumonia can testify it is no laughing matter. Nor is it being weak and in search of attention. During one of my bouts, I had a fever of over 105; in yet another, I was hospitalized for three weeks. That is the harsh reality.
This is so ridiculous. Hillary Clinton got sick. So what? She will get over it, and everyone else should get over it too.
Not a story.
Not a story.
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"Resilient Figure"???
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If you took most of the comments linked to this article and stirred them up in a pot of opinion stew, I think you'd get a general sense that most of the electorate in this great country of ours aren't very happy with our choices come November 8th. Oh sure, there are strong Clinton and Trump supporters who are very certain that their candidate is the right one for the job. But for the vast majority, I think we're holding our collective noses as we take our medicine.
It appears that Clinton's staff are very young subordinates -- much younger than she is -- and unwilling to challenge her. They all appear to be unseasoned, young, white, attractive, presumably well-educated and bright, staffers, who appear to fear her or back off from letting her know when she's making shaky decisions. I've not seen one senior advisor who has the gravitas or the sharpness of a James Carville or David Axelrod. She really must get some new adivsement, someone to talk straight to her, someone she'll listen to, and not just another pretty face -- Huma Abedin is a case in point: loyal, hard working, and beautiful, but terrible judgement (at least in men).
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As we wince over Hillary's demonstration that she is after all human, we tend to forget that perhaps our greatest President, right up there with Presidents Washington and Lincoln, would be Franklin Roosevelt, who was a cripple, who lead us out of the Great Depression, who won World War II, who at the time of our D-day landing in France in 1944 had a blood pressure reading of near 237 over 150. With that kind of blood pressure you wouldn't be allowed to drive a bicycle on the streets, let alone be President. And when Roosevelt finally died of a stroke in 1945, the fact that he was a cripple was little known to the average American, as Roosevelt was often shown seated and when moving about was supported by his son or one of his aides. So poor Hillary's temporary bout with pneumonia should not be looked at as terminal to her campaign. Bill will be there to support her.
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How long is this story going to be recycled? Can we here something about Trump saying he would blow up Iranian boats if someone on them "gestures" at a US ship? Can we have some reporting on Don the Con's fraud Foundation? How about Trumps lack of transparency on his health, charitable donations, and the tax returns he's hiding. What about the birther nonsense and his investigators in Hawaii? All the Con, Pence and their surrogates say is they don't talk about it anymore. What if Hillary Clinton said she wasn't going to talk about her emails or the Foundation anymore? Would the press just stop asking? How about asking Con if he still thinks Latinos are rapists, drug dealers and murderers? Does he still think all Muslims should be barred from the country? The Con says his organization is in talks on more than 100 deals, 85 percent of them outside the U.S. Is he still proposing to have his kids run his businesses if elected? No conflict or questions about that. All we see in the Times is reporting on the illusionary conflicts of the Clinton Foundation, from which the Clintons make nothing and donate hundreds of thousands of $$ and 100's of hours of time. In the more than 50 years I've followed politics, this is the most biased campaign coverage I've ever seen.
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Hillary was going to release more medical records. However, they were mixed in with the wedding plans and yoga emails.
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With 1348 comments in print this is less than a drop in the bucket but I add it to in part support what many commenters have written and in part to observe what the same have missed.
Yes, the article and even the headline are dismissive, and therefore lead to comments that on topic are justified, for example number 1 in Readers' Picks by Carson Drew.
The article is, however, important in showing that even for the New York Times, it is more important to present such an article first, and then on the 13th to finally get around to substance, substance that in the best case could have been presented early, had Hillary Clinton not hidden the fact that she had been diagnosed with pneumonia.
Here is an article with substance: ” What Pneumonia Experts Say About Clinton’s Case
BY DONALD G. MCNEIL JR.
Hillary Clinton is being treated for pneumonia, which can become serious or even fatal if it is not properly addressed, doctors said.
http://nyti.ms/2cEdmyR
I have filed two comments (3 AM US EDT) there noting that I first found this kind of information in my Swedish newspaper, DN, not in the New York Times.
Too bad substance does not rank highest, both at the Times and at the Clinton campaign.
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Dual citizen US SE
Yes, the article and even the headline are dismissive, and therefore lead to comments that on topic are justified, for example number 1 in Readers' Picks by Carson Drew.
The article is, however, important in showing that even for the New York Times, it is more important to present such an article first, and then on the 13th to finally get around to substance, substance that in the best case could have been presented early, had Hillary Clinton not hidden the fact that she had been diagnosed with pneumonia.
Here is an article with substance: ” What Pneumonia Experts Say About Clinton’s Case
BY DONALD G. MCNEIL JR.
Hillary Clinton is being treated for pneumonia, which can become serious or even fatal if it is not properly addressed, doctors said.
http://nyti.ms/2cEdmyR
I have filed two comments (3 AM US EDT) there noting that I first found this kind of information in my Swedish newspaper, DN, not in the New York Times.
Too bad substance does not rank highest, both at the Times and at the Clinton campaign.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Dual citizen US SE
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The choices: sick Hillary vs Trump. I vote for Hillary in sickness and health.
Our sickest present ever - FDR - was our BEST president ever.
Hillary - sick or not. She's my choice.
Our sickest present ever - FDR - was our BEST president ever.
Hillary - sick or not. She's my choice.
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Geez, the POTUS is such a masculine position that anything showing the slightest human frailty will be branded as a flaw? The German Tagesschau reported this incident last night, with a comment -- which is the rarest thing ever happening to German news, namely their own comment. The anchor says, and I quote: The Germans may feel puzzled why the Americans insist in putting a human healthy in every single aspect to the position of controlling the nuclear code. Touché.
It took me two weeks to get over walking pneumonia. I think Mrs. Clinton should stay.
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""The Friday before the Sept. 11 event, Clinton made yet another misstep, saying that some portion of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorable.”
Does Hillary Clinton think Israelis are "deplorable" for building a wall to secure their borders? At least Trump didn't propose stealing some Mexican land in the process. Or does she think some nations have the right to defend themselves but Americans don't. Drugs and terrorists are flowing through the border. Same goes for applying religious tests, though unconstitutional in US, Israel practices it and not a peep from Hillary. What gives?
Does Hillary Clinton think Israelis are "deplorable" for building a wall to secure their borders? At least Trump didn't propose stealing some Mexican land in the process. Or does she think some nations have the right to defend themselves but Americans don't. Drugs and terrorists are flowing through the border. Same goes for applying religious tests, though unconstitutional in US, Israel practices it and not a peep from Hillary. What gives?
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FDR did right well for himself, paralyzed from polio and still a President for 12 years, guiding us through the Great Depression and WWII, no doubt stumbling and needing strong hands to catch him when he fell.
And if illness of any kind is now grounds to reject a candidate on grounds of "weakness" to borrow from Dominus, Trump and Sonntag, there would never have been an FDR presidency at all.
I quarrel with Dominus for manipulating the stumble from pneumonia into a theme laced with graphics mostly caged up by Clinton's political enemies. And in the mixture of self inflicted wounds and these outright fabrications Dominus paints a grossly unfair picture of weakness itself.
Today's politics are much less reported for substantive import than for trivia, with a penchant to breathlessly comment on every perceived gaff, facial expression, physical trait as if as important as a candidate's racism or lack of program or idea of what it means to be President.
Pneumonia is not the equivalent of polio. It usually invokes sympathy, and I'd say if a candidate soldiers through it, even stumbling in the process, it is as much a sign of strength as it is determination.
Can we move on to a substantive discussion based on rigorous, fact checking responsible journalism?
And if illness of any kind is now grounds to reject a candidate on grounds of "weakness" to borrow from Dominus, Trump and Sonntag, there would never have been an FDR presidency at all.
I quarrel with Dominus for manipulating the stumble from pneumonia into a theme laced with graphics mostly caged up by Clinton's political enemies. And in the mixture of self inflicted wounds and these outright fabrications Dominus paints a grossly unfair picture of weakness itself.
Today's politics are much less reported for substantive import than for trivia, with a penchant to breathlessly comment on every perceived gaff, facial expression, physical trait as if as important as a candidate's racism or lack of program or idea of what it means to be President.
Pneumonia is not the equivalent of polio. It usually invokes sympathy, and I'd say if a candidate soldiers through it, even stumbling in the process, it is as much a sign of strength as it is determination.
Can we move on to a substantive discussion based on rigorous, fact checking responsible journalism?
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Anyone else remember this?
"George H. W. Bush Vomiting Incident:
On January 8, 1992, about 8:20 p.m JST, U.S. President George H.W. Bush fainted after vomiting at a banquet hosted by the then Prime Minister of Japan, Kiichi Miyazawa. It is the only documented occurrence to date of a U.S. President vomiting on a foreign dignitary.
...
Effects of the incident
The incident was widely reported, and quickly became fodder for the nation's comedians. Footage of the President vomiting was broadcast on the ABC network."
Wikipedia [footnote callouts omitted]
So when a male president becomes ill and faints, everyone just jokes about it. No questions about his ability to govern. When a female presidential candidate becomes ill and faints, her opponents (who have already set her up with months of a baseless whispering campaign about her alleged "health problems) rush in to declare her "unfit," "not up to the rigors of the job," "hiding even worse facts about her health," while crowing about how this incident vindicates their baseless whispering campaign. It's everything short of calling the funeral home.
"George H. W. Bush Vomiting Incident:
On January 8, 1992, about 8:20 p.m JST, U.S. President George H.W. Bush fainted after vomiting at a banquet hosted by the then Prime Minister of Japan, Kiichi Miyazawa. It is the only documented occurrence to date of a U.S. President vomiting on a foreign dignitary.
...
Effects of the incident
The incident was widely reported, and quickly became fodder for the nation's comedians. Footage of the President vomiting was broadcast on the ABC network."
Wikipedia [footnote callouts omitted]
So when a male president becomes ill and faints, everyone just jokes about it. No questions about his ability to govern. When a female presidential candidate becomes ill and faints, her opponents (who have already set her up with months of a baseless whispering campaign about her alleged "health problems) rush in to declare her "unfit," "not up to the rigors of the job," "hiding even worse facts about her health," while crowing about how this incident vindicates their baseless whispering campaign. It's everything short of calling the funeral home.
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Pneumonia is something that HRC will surely fully recover from in short order. Did anyone mention that she's likely taking powerful antibiotics, and that those, on top of the infection, just knock you out, especially if you have been on the go like she has been? But for many voters, the video of her stumbling unfortunately created a decidedly negative image-as-metaphor, on multiple levels (health, truth, capability). Oh how she must have wished she could just have brazened out the illness; no way she saw that fall coming. She makes some pretty poor judgement calls: the Iraq war was her worst, pointing to a serious character flaw; listening to Colin Powell (!) about a private server wasn't good either (and he was telling her what she surely wanted to hear -- again, not good). Still, how bad would her health have to get before DJT becomes a better choice for the WH? I think that even if she were in a coma and on life-support she'd still be a better choice, with or without Bill at the helm.
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How does anyone separate out Hillary's vast history of lying? I suspect that most will not watch the youtube videos which show her lying repeatedly and when caught, reversing positions moment to moment. I believe everyone who'll vote for Hillary must be lacking the moral conviction that built this country and possess the same character flaws as she. The country has been so morally corrupted by the media and politics that let me remind you, no one and I mean no one defended Nixon, republican or democrat. You might consider shame as an option to blind faith.
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The DNC wanted HRC and planned for her to be "the first woman president." In so doing, they ignored the baggage and negative ratings HRC brought to the campaign, whether justified or not. It was gamble and the nomination campaign began to expose how dangerous was the bet when a little-known senator from a small state forced her to rely on the Party's elected officials, the "super-delegates," to push her to the nomination. Calm and objective analysis revealed the weakness of the HRC candidacy, which had little or nothing to do with her gender. Now the stakes are enormous and the GOP is all-in for Trump. The group-think of the DNC may have disastrous consequences for our nation. The Party needs a clean broom to sweep away those who have put voters in this dilemma, but the feel-good moments of the Convention have faded with the days of summer.
H.R.C.’s pneumonia illness arose out of unknown causes but one cannot be ruled out, i.e. over-work. The quadrennial electoral campaign for as long as one year and a half have drained energy, both physically and mentally, of both candidates and their retainers but the candidates certainly suffer more sunk-cost. If candidates are overcome by campaigns, then they will be more likely than not overcome by the presidency for the latter is recognized as the most stressful job in the world.
While wincing at watching a stumbling candidate does not do justice to either the candidate or supporters, changing side for long-term advantage over inaction does point toward liberality for want of a better.
Among her supporters, many persuade her that her running for presidency carries out people’s wish and that she is the only person who will fulfill her duty being the first female President in this country. Masses’ desideratum has become the holy grail of American politics. There are many women with political gumption to volunteer themselves for bare-knuckle campaigns; one just has to be patient and there is no need to stake one's future on a single chance.
Let the doting granny smile at the little girl running toward her rather than the other way around.
While wincing at watching a stumbling candidate does not do justice to either the candidate or supporters, changing side for long-term advantage over inaction does point toward liberality for want of a better.
Among her supporters, many persuade her that her running for presidency carries out people’s wish and that she is the only person who will fulfill her duty being the first female President in this country. Masses’ desideratum has become the holy grail of American politics. There are many women with political gumption to volunteer themselves for bare-knuckle campaigns; one just has to be patient and there is no need to stake one's future on a single chance.
Let the doting granny smile at the little girl running toward her rather than the other way around.
Clinton had a serious concussion in 2012. So serious that her husband said it took six months and lots of work to get better. This along with her penchant for secrecy and her casual relationship with the truth means that most Americans will not believe this pneumonia story.
People see the video of that fall and it's very easy to connect it with neurological issues.
People see the video of that fall and it's very easy to connect it with neurological issues.
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Hillary will be well again, and full of news huddles, and special appearances for a total of approximately 23-minutes from now through Nov 8th. Her surrogates have already announced to the waiting-world that we know enough about the candidate, after all she is the most studied candidate, politician and woman since blood was coming of of her whatever.
The numbers have been reckoned, there are those who have calculated that Hillary can get to the White House without a single public appearance between now and then, that includes a skipping of the debates if needs must.
Above all things she cannot afford to answer questions about... (the list goes on). She looses more ground by speaking and allowing herself to be interviewed in any real sense, so she disappears like a magic act when she feels the need.
She had not exactly been visible for the entirety of the year other than her own staged convention love fest, then someone threw her a plane and she thought, she could control them (the press). She does does not have it, I am sorry she is ill, I wish ill on nobody, but this is the Presidency of our country we are talking about here.
Don't get me wrong, I am not interested in her being ill or not, or being more ill than we're told, I just want her to face the press, a real fair and balanced press, all sides, everyone gets to ask their questions, and she needs to answer for...
Benghazi
Emails
Clinton Foundation
Sonny's death on the causeway
I hope she feels better soon.
The numbers have been reckoned, there are those who have calculated that Hillary can get to the White House without a single public appearance between now and then, that includes a skipping of the debates if needs must.
Above all things she cannot afford to answer questions about... (the list goes on). She looses more ground by speaking and allowing herself to be interviewed in any real sense, so she disappears like a magic act when she feels the need.
She had not exactly been visible for the entirety of the year other than her own staged convention love fest, then someone threw her a plane and she thought, she could control them (the press). She does does not have it, I am sorry she is ill, I wish ill on nobody, but this is the Presidency of our country we are talking about here.
Don't get me wrong, I am not interested in her being ill or not, or being more ill than we're told, I just want her to face the press, a real fair and balanced press, all sides, everyone gets to ask their questions, and she needs to answer for...
Benghazi
Emails
Clinton Foundation
Sonny's death on the causeway
I hope she feels better soon.
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Oh, c'mon. Alla this is ridiculous. She staggers after a few months of 16-hour days and it's catastrophic inability to serve. Her opponent is too disabled for the draft, and breezes through a major presidential campaign like a floating frat party, unable to do anything more than bloviate and cast slurs, but he's the rock of Gibraltar.
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What? I don't get it. You think the President never gets sick? At least she didn't puke all over a foreign leader like President Bush did.
Stick to the issues.
Stick to the issues.
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People need to take a physical fitness test to get into, and stay in, the military. Why no proper age-bracketed test for the Commander-In-Chief? Would love to see either candidate taking a run or something. Both are past their peak especially after President Obama. We trading in a Tesla for an old Cadillac... pink or blue?
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Sheesh, my ex-husband has fainted in public a few times, from his twenties on, whenever he was too hot and hadn't eaten enough. Happened at work, in a restaurant, on a plane, along a walking path, a Yom Kippur service. He's in perfect health.
It happened to me once too, my first day working at a hospital, in an overheated room, on too little sleep and no breakfast. I woke up in the arms of a tech who caught me. How do you feel, he asked. Really stupid, I said. I moved to a cooler room with a glass of orange juice. Never happened again.
Can we PLEASE stop hyperventilating because Clinton fainted and did not immediately tell the entire world why in mind-numbing detail? I realize Trump and Fox need to pretend Clinton is at death's door, but this whole hysteria is nuts. Fainting is common and nearly always benign. A zillion things can cause it. Anyone who seriously thinks this is a sign of a serious illness, "seizure" or "Parkinson's" should be sentenced to a read-through of the entire 1000+ page Merck Manual, until they can tell the difference.
It happened to me once too, my first day working at a hospital, in an overheated room, on too little sleep and no breakfast. I woke up in the arms of a tech who caught me. How do you feel, he asked. Really stupid, I said. I moved to a cooler room with a glass of orange juice. Never happened again.
Can we PLEASE stop hyperventilating because Clinton fainted and did not immediately tell the entire world why in mind-numbing detail? I realize Trump and Fox need to pretend Clinton is at death's door, but this whole hysteria is nuts. Fainting is common and nearly always benign. A zillion things can cause it. Anyone who seriously thinks this is a sign of a serious illness, "seizure" or "Parkinson's" should be sentenced to a read-through of the entire 1000+ page Merck Manual, until they can tell the difference.
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Of course she powered through her illness. If she had missed the 9-11 event and announced she was taking two days off to recover from pneumonia, her opponent and the complicit media would have made as big a deal out of it as they are now. Trump is 70 years old with a massive girth, a risk if not tell tale sign of heart disease and metabolic disorders. Can we stop Matt Lauering Hillary and holding her to a far higher standard than her competitor? This is an election for the leader of the free world--not prom king or queen.
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For someone who has been in politics for so long, Hillary Clinton is terrible at it. The only people who think Clinton is some kind of evil mastermind are people who have not actually paid very close attention. In actuality, Clinton's poor instincts in public relations tend to give her enemies the opportunity to make mountains out of mole hills, like this latest business with pneumonia. The fact that she was serious enough about the 9/11 memorial to show up despite her illness could have been part of a positive narrative about just how driven and dedicated she is, and how seriously she took the memory of 9/11. Instead, her pointless secrecy about a perfectly normal health condition, dismissing it as "overheating," has given rise to all kinds ridiculous speculation.
As someone dreading the possiblity of a Trump Presidency, Clinton's propensity to shoot herself in the foot is absolutely infuritiating.
As someone dreading the possiblity of a Trump Presidency, Clinton's propensity to shoot herself in the foot is absolutely infuritiating.
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Maybe it is time to admit that we boomers have gotten too old for all of this political nonsense.You look at the candidates this year: Trump is going to be 70, Hillary 68, Bernie is what, 73, and then all of the ugly ducklings remaining in the Republican Party were in their 60s with the exception of Marco and Ted. The Dems had the former Maryland governor Martin O'Malley who is 50 and plays in a rock band (who doesn't these days; even Joe Scarborough fancies himself as a musician, and given Bill Clinton on sax, it must be a requirement) as their only younger candidate.
Let's face it, most of these grandpas and grandmas are getting long enough in the tooth that it is inevitable that if one of them gets elected, something health wise is bound to happen.
Eisenhower had a heart attack, FDR hid his polio and increasingly other problems. God knows how close Ronnie was to death after the assassination attempt, and who really knows when he begin to develop his Alzheimer condition. Woodrow Wilson's wife minded the store after his health problems late in his term. LBJ probably had health problems relating to his heart.
I'm 65 so don't say I'm some young firebrand wanting to get rid of old people. I have been around long enough to know that as a person ages, stuff happens. Personally, I think that there ought to be a maximum age inserted into the Constitution for service as President, and for that matter Senator and Congressperson. Age and wisdom don't always go together.
Let's face it, most of these grandpas and grandmas are getting long enough in the tooth that it is inevitable that if one of them gets elected, something health wise is bound to happen.
Eisenhower had a heart attack, FDR hid his polio and increasingly other problems. God knows how close Ronnie was to death after the assassination attempt, and who really knows when he begin to develop his Alzheimer condition. Woodrow Wilson's wife minded the store after his health problems late in his term. LBJ probably had health problems relating to his heart.
I'm 65 so don't say I'm some young firebrand wanting to get rid of old people. I have been around long enough to know that as a person ages, stuff happens. Personally, I think that there ought to be a maximum age inserted into the Constitution for service as President, and for that matter Senator and Congressperson. Age and wisdom don't always go together.
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"It turned out to be pneumonia" -- she says.
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Strategy? I know plenty of people who have gotten sick - and yes, with pneumonia - and tossed it off, not taking it seriously at first. In anybody else it would be seen as heroic. But because it's Hillary Clinton it's turned into a national crisis and once again she's painted in a criminal light.
The only thing I winced at when I saw the clip of Hillary Clinton stumbling was when it was played again. And again. And again. In the national interest? Of course not! The media could have treated this in a completely different light, pointing out, for example, that JFK, most beloved President in everybody's minds now, hid the fact that he suffered from Addison's from the public and yet did his job in a way that everybody lauds to this day.
Or just telling the truth. How about that? One woman chose that route: Christiane Amanpour, when she said "can't a woman have a sick day?" Apparently not. Amanpour has held on to her integrity and used her intelligence in a way that once upon a time was par for the course for the media but now stands out as unusually courageous.
This episode will indeed come to symbolize something important over time. Two things, actually: the extent to which women have to jump through hoops but men are coddled; and the media's lust for deliberately creating bias, making something out of nothing, at the cost of respect, truth, and the health of a nation.
The only thing I winced at when I saw the clip of Hillary Clinton stumbling was when it was played again. And again. And again. In the national interest? Of course not! The media could have treated this in a completely different light, pointing out, for example, that JFK, most beloved President in everybody's minds now, hid the fact that he suffered from Addison's from the public and yet did his job in a way that everybody lauds to this day.
Or just telling the truth. How about that? One woman chose that route: Christiane Amanpour, when she said "can't a woman have a sick day?" Apparently not. Amanpour has held on to her integrity and used her intelligence in a way that once upon a time was par for the course for the media but now stands out as unusually courageous.
This episode will indeed come to symbolize something important over time. Two things, actually: the extent to which women have to jump through hoops but men are coddled; and the media's lust for deliberately creating bias, making something out of nothing, at the cost of respect, truth, and the health of a nation.
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'...Clinton made yet another misstep, saying that some portion of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorables.”'
"Some portion"? She said, as everyone knows, "half"!
Could it be that the writer also cannot quite bring herself to tell the naked truth when it comes to Hillary?
"Some portion"? She said, as everyone knows, "half"!
Could it be that the writer also cannot quite bring herself to tell the naked truth when it comes to Hillary?
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Double standards. Sexism. And that's just the mainstream media. C'mon get on Trump's lies and double talk. Too late for Lauer but not too late for rest of mainstream media - NYT, W Post, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC. Just hold him to the same standards that you're holding this woman to. It's an old fashioned witch hunt while the old lazy unprepared white guy gets a free pass. Sad that this still happens. Media need to do their jobs.
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Periodic illness is an ordinary human mishap.By the same token the "deplorable" comment was a refreshingly impolitic and humanizing moment for Secretary Clinton. So far from being a disaster the last few days may prove to be a major boost in the longer term for the Democratic nominee and the only person in the race remotely qualified to lead the free world.
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The term 'illness' is not commonly used to define what we regularly see suffered by colleagues, friends or family. We referenced the specific issue. Cancer was cancer, a hysterectomy was a hysterectomy, a coronary bypass was just that. And when my dad had pneumonia last year, it was referred to as pneumonia not an "illness". The term seems intentionally loaded to imply chronic deficit.
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More accurate would be: We are watching and wincing while every felonious, treasonous, fraudulent, hate-mongering act of Trump is washed away by the most minor infraction or misjudgement of Hillary Clinton.
The media is paving the way for Trump through the "Matt Lauer " effect. The media trivializes or covers over Trump's glaring ignorance and and incoherence and incapacity to lead this nation. At the same time Hillary is crucified day after day for an email server that her predecessor adviser her to establish, for a charitable foundation that actually provides major benefits to the poor around the world.
There is no Clinton "smoking gun", but there is a Trumpian mushroom cloud that awaits this country while the media fiddles.
The media is paving the way for Trump through the "Matt Lauer " effect. The media trivializes or covers over Trump's glaring ignorance and and incoherence and incapacity to lead this nation. At the same time Hillary is crucified day after day for an email server that her predecessor adviser her to establish, for a charitable foundation that actually provides major benefits to the poor around the world.
There is no Clinton "smoking gun", but there is a Trumpian mushroom cloud that awaits this country while the media fiddles.
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Trump's inherent arrogance will be on stage for a week without Hillary. This will be his chance to 'seal the deal', but 'the deal' may not be the one he's banking on. And, the captain of the ship, gives orders to the crew.
The Clinton campaign is the most important in the countries history. The thought of Trump in the White House reinforces my vote for a progressive.
Is anyone thinking, because Hillary's ill and now I'm going to vote for Trump
The Clinton campaign is the most important in the countries history. The thought of Trump in the White House reinforces my vote for a progressive.
Is anyone thinking, because Hillary's ill and now I'm going to vote for Trump
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If she doesn't trust us, why should we trust her. It is no fun voting for a losers. I will but she is toast.
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Come on! After the NYTimes works to convince it's readers that Clinton is the best candidate, it suddenly backtracks, because she has pneumonia? Sorry Ms.Clinton, no getting sick for you, inspire of all the handshakes and travelling,, you may as well hand the election to Trump.
There are a lot of nasty bugs out there that the candidates will encounter doing retail politicking. Leave the Clintons alone for a minute and print something else.
There are a lot of nasty bugs out there that the candidates will encounter doing retail politicking. Leave the Clintons alone for a minute and print something else.
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If the worst happens, Clinton dies in office and we get her V.P., Kaine. Who would you vote for, Kaine or Trump? Obviously Kaine is the better choice, because Trump is the worse choice. In fact Trump is the worse choice, no matter pretty much who else you put opposite him (Ted Cruz might be an exception). So I don't understand why Clinton's health is a problem, when Trump is The problem.
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The worst is that she slowly becomes incapacitated and the powers of the office are compromised in the process.
This is the person, the one that lives is the shadows of government to protect herself, you want in charge of the nuclear codes..? Give me a break.
Nobody cares about tax returns around here. In this town we all work and pay our taxes. We also know Trump works as a businessman and he pays taxes. So what..?
It's about holding the most important position in the world. Not falling into a van.
Trump will win this. Easy
Nobody cares about tax returns around here. In this town we all work and pay our taxes. We also know Trump works as a businessman and he pays taxes. So what..?
It's about holding the most important position in the world. Not falling into a van.
Trump will win this. Easy
Donald Trump is the one not fit to be President, because he cannot always control what he says, or what he can't say. To prove that point, he still cannot even cause his mouth to say: yes, I was wrong...and I'm sorry, for the myriad of negative statements he was able to cause his mouth to utter.
Nor has he shown us his taxes, and his business dealings, especially his business loans. Not to mention his own health records.
So, as the legend in his own mind says, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
Nor has he shown us his taxes, and his business dealings, especially his business loans. Not to mention his own health records.
So, as the legend in his own mind says, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
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EVER HAD TO TAKE SICK LEAVE? Anyone who has had to leave work because of illness (or worse, had to go to work while sick) should have nothing but sympathy for HC. This wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for our media, who watch every moment for a weakness to jump on. Worse yet, this year we have an opponent who has made HC's health an issue for no apparent reason. It's time for a little perspective.
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This sea of these comments proves that the supply of naive and gullible is inexhaustible for the political cannon pounding. Pneumonia? Sure, when was the last time you had it or saw one twitching, shaking and wobbling like she did? She has pneumonia as surely as Trump has even one billion dollars. When will you wake up to see how you are being had?
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Twitching? You saw her twitching? No, you didn't because she wasn't. So your entire comment fails on that bit of exaggeration alone.
BTW, last year I had a bad flu. I was shaking and wobbling and couldn't stand much less walk anywhere. One week, maybe ten days later I was fine.
Trump is the biggest con man alive and you think Clinton voters are being had? Not even close.
BTW, last year I had a bad flu. I was shaking and wobbling and couldn't stand much less walk anywhere. One week, maybe ten days later I was fine.
Trump is the biggest con man alive and you think Clinton voters are being had? Not even close.
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Hogwash. If you'd been keeping her pace, then standing in 90 degree temps (and overdressed as she was undoubtedly required to do for this occasion) and brutal humidity, apparently dehydrated, perhaps you would have wobbled too.
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Apparently you'really having difficulty distinguishing far right wing affirmation television from the smart phone video which only depicted her stumbling and requiring support to stand and walk. Let's not make things up.
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Only in America ...... now we want the medical records of Presidential candidates ! Maybe I am being naive but I would NOT expect anyone running for this office to be knowingly suffering from a life threatening or greatly disabling disease - what would be the point? For a few months of glory ? Would anyone be that stupid, that egotistical, that me, me, me?
What next? Full disclosure of what they eat, drink, their sex lives, how many times they go to the bathroom?
Enough already.
What next? Full disclosure of what they eat, drink, their sex lives, how many times they go to the bathroom?
Enough already.
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Never let a crisis go to waste.
1. I'll be voting for her anyway, because
2. Consider the alternative and
3. Anyway, her values align with mine.
4. The Times could stop the feeding frenzy, already, because
5. Trump is way more dangerous.
2. Consider the alternative and
3. Anyway, her values align with mine.
4. The Times could stop the feeding frenzy, already, because
5. Trump is way more dangerous.
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What are your values? Do you steal flatware from your mother-in-law? Do you accept millions from middle-eastern countries?
Hillary Clinton Is Set Back by Decision to Keep Illness Secret
The Clinton could have better handled health scare? That's it? She couldn't have better handled the security of classified information instead of being "extremely careless" and "unsophisticated" in its handling? She couldn't have better handled securing her email server on which she transmitted and stored classified information? She couldn't have better handled Libya policy? She couldn't have better handled Benghazi?
I think the Clinton Campaign is selling their candidate far short!
The Clinton could have better handled health scare? That's it? She couldn't have better handled the security of classified information instead of being "extremely careless" and "unsophisticated" in its handling? She couldn't have better handled securing her email server on which she transmitted and stored classified information? She couldn't have better handled Libya policy? She couldn't have better handled Benghazi?
I think the Clinton Campaign is selling their candidate far short!
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This was Mrs. Clinton's "Gerald Ford's" moment, the one that defined his campaign and eventual demise (i.e., the stumble off Air Force One, for those who weren't around or too young to remember).
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Oh Lord. The first female candidate for president is not going to be "defined by" right wing dribble. Get Real.
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No she is doing quite well defining herself as a pathological liar.
The word you are searching for is "drivel". That is, unless you are LeBron James.
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Daer NYT editors,
Have you lost your minds? While you are cavilling about "transparency," tracking the most boring details of a minor health episode, the Washington Post has David Farenthold reporting on Donald Trump's rich history of fraud. While he commits journalism, you are front-paging the fevers of a reality TV campaign. Why don't you leave that to Breitbart, skip the whole politics thing and reassign your reporters to Syria or ballet reviews? Because you and they are now contributing nothing to our store of knowledge or judgment.
Have you lost your minds? While you are cavilling about "transparency," tracking the most boring details of a minor health episode, the Washington Post has David Farenthold reporting on Donald Trump's rich history of fraud. While he commits journalism, you are front-paging the fevers of a reality TV campaign. Why don't you leave that to Breitbart, skip the whole politics thing and reassign your reporters to Syria or ballet reviews? Because you and they are now contributing nothing to our store of knowledge or judgment.
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I'm a Hilary suporter (the other option is a sure path to oblivion for the USA) BUT
-- why is it that this intelligent woman is not accepting the message that equivocating just does NOT work! This, regrettably. has been the story of Hillary's public life.
Let's assume that she had announced her medical diagnosis of pneumonia
on FRIDAY. Then, her address to donors of Friday night
("basket of deplorables" ) might, at least, have been viewed as a feverish
misuse of words.
Additionally, her Camille-like exit from the 9/11 ceremony might have seemed reasonable.
I am terrified that Hillary will not get her "act together" in time.
Her cast of "yes" people MUST be augmented. I suggest David
Axelrod for a start.
:
-- why is it that this intelligent woman is not accepting the message that equivocating just does NOT work! This, regrettably. has been the story of Hillary's public life.
Let's assume that she had announced her medical diagnosis of pneumonia
on FRIDAY. Then, her address to donors of Friday night
("basket of deplorables" ) might, at least, have been viewed as a feverish
misuse of words.
Additionally, her Camille-like exit from the 9/11 ceremony might have seemed reasonable.
I am terrified that Hillary will not get her "act together" in time.
Her cast of "yes" people MUST be augmented. I suggest David
Axelrod for a start.
:
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She has had her act together for 26 years of public service, starting with women and children.
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I've never seen anyone so obsessed with secrecy as Hillary Clinton. Virtually any republican who would have spoken any sense at all could easily beat her. And yet, let us put at the forefront that under no circumstances can Trump be allowed near the Oval Office. None.
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Why does she travel around with a doctor and a nurse? Why did the nurse ask her to squeeze her fingers (which is generally a neurological test) before she walked back to the van and jerked with spasms back and forward in seizure like movements. Why has she had strange episodes in a couple of her speeches where she displays seizure like symptoms? I am a democrat, and I am Black. It is not all a conspiracy.
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So many questions! So much innuendo. So much nonsense. Who cares if you're black? And how come you're the only one who claims she "jerked with spasms?" Because she didn't and you didn't see that.
The question isn't why Clinton travels with a doctor. The real question is why Trump doesn't travel with a psychiatrist.
The question isn't why Clinton travels with a doctor. The real question is why Trump doesn't travel with a psychiatrist.
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Thanks for more negative coverage on Clinton. So glad you will play such a strong role in Trump's presidency. Yeah. Thanks a lot.
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It's called Freedom of the Press, Leigh, an American innovation that is far more important than the vagaries of partisan politics.
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I guess you don't read the NYT home page. It's been dominated by negative Trump stories each day for months.
Yet another dismissive, insulting article, filled with voodoo and innuendo.
Then people wonder why Clinton is private and not interested in dealing with the Press, or gossip mongers. Misogyny comes in many forms.
Then people wonder why Clinton is private and not interested in dealing with the Press, or gossip mongers. Misogyny comes in many forms.
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Cheeses. The writer is as authoritatively histrionic as an Eric Severeid newsreel voiceover. Do we really have to take this sort of thing seriously too? Tell us about the Lincoln-Douglas debates with Charlie Rose lol
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Don the Con said if Iranian boats had people on them who "gestured" at an American ship, he would "blow them out of the water." Good reason to start a war. It was barely reported. The top story in the Times has been Hillary 's pneumonia and whether the press was notified immediately. I don't remember the same when Bush Sr fainted and puked on the Japanese PM or when Bush II passed out while watching TV.
Con's people say he has given 10's of Millions to charity. Con skipped one of the primary debates to hide from a reporter to have a "fundraiser" for the military. He had a guy who was the head of a phony vets organization there. Don said he donated $1 Million and raised $6 million. Four months later, other donors had given their money and Don claimed his money had been given, but it was not until The Washington Post dug into it that he gave his million. And the total was short of $6 mil. The Post reported that they could find only one other charitable donation Con made personally in the past 6 years. His foundation gives money donated by others since then. He promised to donate earnings from “The Apprentice.” Trump Vodka. Trump University, and 2 books. If he had, his gifts would have been $8.5+ million. Public records show Con donated about $2.8 million through his foundation less than 1/3 of the pledged amount, and nothing since 2009. In two cases, he has used money from his charity to buy himself a gift, one a 6' painting of himself. Nothing in the Times about any of this.
Con's people say he has given 10's of Millions to charity. Con skipped one of the primary debates to hide from a reporter to have a "fundraiser" for the military. He had a guy who was the head of a phony vets organization there. Don said he donated $1 Million and raised $6 million. Four months later, other donors had given their money and Don claimed his money had been given, but it was not until The Washington Post dug into it that he gave his million. And the total was short of $6 mil. The Post reported that they could find only one other charitable donation Con made personally in the past 6 years. His foundation gives money donated by others since then. He promised to donate earnings from “The Apprentice.” Trump Vodka. Trump University, and 2 books. If he had, his gifts would have been $8.5+ million. Public records show Con donated about $2.8 million through his foundation less than 1/3 of the pledged amount, and nothing since 2009. In two cases, he has used money from his charity to buy himself a gift, one a 6' painting of himself. Nothing in the Times about any of this.
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How do you separate out the Clinton legacy; Nafta, Commodities Futures Modernization Act, repeal of Glass Steigel? Oh that's right policy does not matter to you, only smear, which the Clintons are smearing every America who wants a job. Trump will change all that... get ready to lose.
Dems need to stop worrying about what Trump supporters are saying - BernieBros smell fresh blood!
The call is coming from inside the house...
The call is coming from inside the house...
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Not.
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The "hateful and misogynist object" referred to is the same manner that encouragers users to punch teachers, "the boss", police... all of whom are depicted as male. Clinton wants to be treated as equal and yet the writer would demand she be treated differently simply because she is of the fairer sex, and any such equal treatment is "misogynist."
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''A woman gets pneumonia and tries to keep her commitments and that is a news story?''
Sure, nothing to do with always a candidate whose instinct is too lie first! Trump supporters too live in a fact proof world of refusing to see things as they are. While I agree with literally everyone here that this present election is a nightmare I find myself as depressed by those who see politics merely from a personal identity point of view.
More than anyone the media and press has failed us, as the power of ownership and the need to keep these people happy, has led to a decline over decades that has finally bought us our first truly Oligarchic election. The monster Hunter S Thompson and and many former real journalists feared is now here. That's why those who do reveal truths are now fugitives from the law as the War on Terror has created a terror state of permanent wars and demands for limitless security.
We have the two worst possible candidates ever with the worst of them being at least put there by his furious supporters over the objections of the RNC. Meanwhile 'my' Party 'maintained control of the narrative' as Hillary puts it by preventing the folks from actually choosing the candidate they wanted because it was 'her turn'.
The new McCarthyism and truth suppressing jingoist fever of the New Democrats makes them Republicans to me. I cannot vote for this. We could have had democracy and a real candidate for the people (Sanders) but the Elite in their arrogance said 'No!'
Sure, nothing to do with always a candidate whose instinct is too lie first! Trump supporters too live in a fact proof world of refusing to see things as they are. While I agree with literally everyone here that this present election is a nightmare I find myself as depressed by those who see politics merely from a personal identity point of view.
More than anyone the media and press has failed us, as the power of ownership and the need to keep these people happy, has led to a decline over decades that has finally bought us our first truly Oligarchic election. The monster Hunter S Thompson and and many former real journalists feared is now here. That's why those who do reveal truths are now fugitives from the law as the War on Terror has created a terror state of permanent wars and demands for limitless security.
We have the two worst possible candidates ever with the worst of them being at least put there by his furious supporters over the objections of the RNC. Meanwhile 'my' Party 'maintained control of the narrative' as Hillary puts it by preventing the folks from actually choosing the candidate they wanted because it was 'her turn'.
The new McCarthyism and truth suppressing jingoist fever of the New Democrats makes them Republicans to me. I cannot vote for this. We could have had democracy and a real candidate for the people (Sanders) but the Elite in their arrogance said 'No!'
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No individual can magically fix our system by his candidacy, no matter how much you liked him. The Founding Fathers did that on purpose. Sorry.
You want candidates you can trust? Then stop kvetching about the candidates and jump into the arena with them. Unless you're afraid of the lions drooling for your flesh, or of the crowd screaming for your blood.
Hillary isn't afraid. It's one reason I chose her, and that she won the primaries by millions of votes. Now let's see how YOU do. Good luck.
You want candidates you can trust? Then stop kvetching about the candidates and jump into the arena with them. Unless you're afraid of the lions drooling for your flesh, or of the crowd screaming for your blood.
Hillary isn't afraid. It's one reason I chose her, and that she won the primaries by millions of votes. Now let's see how YOU do. Good luck.
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You have to register with a Party to vote in a Primary; there is a deadline for that; if you try to register after that, you can't. None of those you refer to were registered as Democrats in time to vote in the Primary. Independents cannot vote in Party Primaries. It is not a general election. Nothing evil or illegal. It is how registration and voting works in America.
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And it is truly frightening that she could have gotten so many votes. It speaks volumes as to divisions between the haves and have nots of liberals and left leaning people in this country.
As a physician, I would say Secretary of State Clinton probably also has exhaustion. If you look online at her speaking schedule, she has kept up a punishing schedule of talks, travel, fund-raising. She probably is really wearing a bullet-proof vest to make sure some unbalanced psycho provoked by Trump isn't going to assassinate her.
Maybe the combination of being exhausted, having pneumonia, standing for a long time, being emotionally overwhelmed at the 9/11 ceremony, wearing a hot bullet-proof vest overcame her and she fainted a bit.
Why don't these people just come out and say, honestly:
"Hey, Hillary! I won't vote for you because I'm a sexist! You are obviously to weak, and frail, and have too many X chromosomes, and you take too many bathroom breaks, and you are too physically small, and you aren't a big manly man like Trump to run the country!"
Because that's the truth, right? That is why we have these stupid articles and news shows saying she is too sick to run...
Why doesn't anyone seem to care that Trump is best friends with the President of Russia, who many feel is a corrupt thug? Why can't we see his tax returns (which would likely show he pays few taxes, he's in debt over his eyeballs, he's paid shady money to the Russians...)?
Maybe the combination of being exhausted, having pneumonia, standing for a long time, being emotionally overwhelmed at the 9/11 ceremony, wearing a hot bullet-proof vest overcame her and she fainted a bit.
Why don't these people just come out and say, honestly:
"Hey, Hillary! I won't vote for you because I'm a sexist! You are obviously to weak, and frail, and have too many X chromosomes, and you take too many bathroom breaks, and you are too physically small, and you aren't a big manly man like Trump to run the country!"
Because that's the truth, right? That is why we have these stupid articles and news shows saying she is too sick to run...
Why doesn't anyone seem to care that Trump is best friends with the President of Russia, who many feel is a corrupt thug? Why can't we see his tax returns (which would likely show he pays few taxes, he's in debt over his eyeballs, he's paid shady money to the Russians...)?
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No, CA. The problem is too many of us are curropto-phobic.
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What are you talking about? Hillary's "schedule"?
You mean appearing for twenty minutes one day then not seen for three days?
You mean the woman who hasn't given a press conference in over 290 days?
You mean the woman who only speaks in front of ultra wealthy people?
You mean the woman who ropes off reporters and detains reporters from following her after she collapses?
You know, you're right, I think she was "emotionally overwhelmed" at the 9/11 ceremony. Because that was also the same anniversary of the 2012 Benghazi attack where she ultimately called Mrs. Smith a "liar". Isn't THAT rich?
Hillary is toast. Bernie was toasted by the DNC. Biden is your only hope. And ol' Joe's lawyers are probably counseling him to hold out until he gets paid beaucoup Clinton Foundation type riyales to replace "Mrs. What Difference At This Point Does It Make".
You mean appearing for twenty minutes one day then not seen for three days?
You mean the woman who hasn't given a press conference in over 290 days?
You mean the woman who only speaks in front of ultra wealthy people?
You mean the woman who ropes off reporters and detains reporters from following her after she collapses?
You know, you're right, I think she was "emotionally overwhelmed" at the 9/11 ceremony. Because that was also the same anniversary of the 2012 Benghazi attack where she ultimately called Mrs. Smith a "liar". Isn't THAT rich?
Hillary is toast. Bernie was toasted by the DNC. Biden is your only hope. And ol' Joe's lawyers are probably counseling him to hold out until he gets paid beaucoup Clinton Foundation type riyales to replace "Mrs. What Difference At This Point Does It Make".
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Because Hillary has created a political climate where none of those things matter. Uranium deal, remember?
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"If this election had Joe or Bernie against Trump it would be so over!"
That might also be true if Kaine were the candidate. I don't know much about him, but just about anybody could beat Trump -- anybody but Clinton, that is. If Democrats want a Democrat to win in November but don't care if it's Hillary, this would be a good excuse for switching horses.
That might also be true if Kaine were the candidate. I don't know much about him, but just about anybody could beat Trump -- anybody but Clinton, that is. If Democrats want a Democrat to win in November but don't care if it's Hillary, this would be a good excuse for switching horses.
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But, but.. IT IS HER TURN!!!
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a resistible force has met a moveable object
w predictable results
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Or Clinton can take antibiotics, like anyone else, and continue, like anyone else.
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Pneumonia? So she was hiding the fact she had a contagious disease while out taking photos with children? Promoting herself while endangering others? This the same candidate that wants forced vaccinations because protecting others is far more important than the small risk to themselves?
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Pneumonia is not contagious.
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First reports said it is "walking pneumonia" which is absolutely contagious.
http://www.webmd.com/lung/walking-pneumonia
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Unless you cough on someone. Yes it is.
I have seen Top athletes leave the field because of near-syncope from heat exhaustion. I have seen Military men in top condition, young and fit, suffer from Heat stroke in weather no hotter than in NYC this week. None of them had pneuomionia.
I'd like to see the New York Times and the TV media stop sensationalizing and elevating this story of a minor illness . Let's ask Trump for disclosure of the detailed medical records of a 70 year old man who seems neither fit nor healthy in mind or body. And how about those tax records?
I'd like to see the New York Times and the TV media stop sensationalizing and elevating this story of a minor illness . Let's ask Trump for disclosure of the detailed medical records of a 70 year old man who seems neither fit nor healthy in mind or body. And how about those tax records?
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I for one could care less about Trump's or Clinton's tax returns. The talking heads of major news media would spin them in any direction they wanted. It's not like the the public is super eager to pore over tax returns. I loathe looking at my own much less somebody else's.
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Heat stroke at 79 degrees? This sort of spin is what makes it all unbelievable and the lies even worse.
I remember 8 years ago, how Democrats started a whisper campaign about John McCain'so health even though there was no evidence to support their insinuations II guess what goes around comes around
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Are you suggesting that the video of Hillary collapsing, and her campaign then lying about it on multiple occasions until caught, are part of a "whisper campaign"?
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"Lying about it on multiple occasions." I just love how the hyperbole keeps ratcheting up.
The only people lying on multiple occasions are Republicans who keep trying to make us believe that Hillary's pneumonia is something else or something worse.
The only people lying on multiple occasions are Republicans who keep trying to make us believe that Hillary's pneumonia is something else or something worse.
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Am I the only one who thinks the media is really overreacting here. Let's get this straight: 1) We see Hillary coughing during the week. She says it's allergies. 2) She attends a commander in chief thingy on Wed. 3) Next day holds press conference, takes off on plane (looked fine) 4) Makes news for the deplorable basket comment - all day Saturday - Tsk Tsking from media. 5) leaves 9/11 ceremony, stumbles into van. 6) pneumonia dx. made on FR. Coughing from pneumonia and not allergies, but she does have them. Possibly exacerbating pneumonia.
Sunday and Monday - beating up Clinton for not telling media about pneumonia dx sooner. Are you serious? I DO NOT CARE when she told "us." If she didn't get worse and was able to power through it without telling me I don't care. I'm sorry she's feeling bad and I'm glad that she is OK and will recover. That's it.
What I do care about is Trump's taxes. Every candidate and VP candidate has released them. Not him and he won't. Ask him every day. What I do care about is his businesses and how he will handle them IF he becomes president and how that might influence his decisions.
Sunday and Monday - beating up Clinton for not telling media about pneumonia dx sooner. Are you serious? I DO NOT CARE when she told "us." If she didn't get worse and was able to power through it without telling me I don't care. I'm sorry she's feeling bad and I'm glad that she is OK and will recover. That's it.
What I do care about is Trump's taxes. Every candidate and VP candidate has released them. Not him and he won't. Ask him every day. What I do care about is his businesses and how he will handle them IF he becomes president and how that might influence his decisions.
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I for one could care less about Trump's or Clinton's tax returns. The talking heads of major news media would spin them in any direction they wanted. It's not like the the public is super eager to pore over tax returns. I loathe looking at my own much less somebody else's. She wants you to think tax returns are important & the major news outlets just giddy up on it too.
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Well as one individual on Twitter stated: You can cure pneumonia in a week, you can't cure bigotry and racism. Trump's bigots and desolates cannot be cured, they are haters. HRC said the truth. They are a disgusting lot.
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Nice to see what "progressives" think of the people. This is how civil wars get started. I might remind you that the deplorables are far better armed than weakling "progressives" are. Be careful what you wish for.
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@Wilson C
Why does the Republican response to every slight have to involve the use of firearms? If the shoe fits.
Why does the Republican response to every slight have to involve the use of firearms? If the shoe fits.
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It looks like the Times is now not allowing commenting on most newly posted political articles. All the current articles covering the election on the front page are critical of Clinton. No mention of issues regarding Trump foundation, new claims of charitable donations, or Pence's refusal to label David Duke as deplorable.
I know the Times will say it is fair to focus on these issues and it is. But these issues are highlighted on the front page to the total exclusion of issues Trump is facing. To argue that the Times is simply reporting on the campaign ignores the fact that the paper and its journalists choose what stories to report on, how to frame that stories, and how they are presented to readers.
As a longtime reader I am incredibly curious how the political coverage arrived at this current point. I am also incredibly sad. I love the Times. I don't live in New York. I live in Texas. When people can't trust politicians they rely on the Times to fairly and substantively cover issues. It truly feels like this is not occuring. I have had a digital subscription for years because I have always trusted the Times as the paper of record with the best journalists and nuanced reporting. trust has dissipated significantly.
I know the Times will say it is fair to focus on these issues and it is. But these issues are highlighted on the front page to the total exclusion of issues Trump is facing. To argue that the Times is simply reporting on the campaign ignores the fact that the paper and its journalists choose what stories to report on, how to frame that stories, and how they are presented to readers.
As a longtime reader I am incredibly curious how the political coverage arrived at this current point. I am also incredibly sad. I love the Times. I don't live in New York. I live in Texas. When people can't trust politicians they rely on the Times to fairly and substantively cover issues. It truly feels like this is not occuring. I have had a digital subscription for years because I have always trusted the Times as the paper of record with the best journalists and nuanced reporting. trust has dissipated significantly.
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It was Trump's turn in the penalty box last month. This month, Hillary is in.
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"I have pneumonia. I feel lousy."
Why is it so hard for Hillary Clinton to simply state the facts? Why is every statement a halting, calculating, tortured parsing of minutia? We are all human beings here. Everybody gets sick. It is nothing to hide.
This is the flip side of Trump finding women going to bathroom "disgusting." What kind of a crazy, phony world do rich people live in? Why are we governed by rich people? Why do rich people make the rules that everybody else has to run around frantically to satisfy?
I feel like I want to puke. See? It's easy.
Why is it so hard for Hillary Clinton to simply state the facts? Why is every statement a halting, calculating, tortured parsing of minutia? We are all human beings here. Everybody gets sick. It is nothing to hide.
This is the flip side of Trump finding women going to bathroom "disgusting." What kind of a crazy, phony world do rich people live in? Why are we governed by rich people? Why do rich people make the rules that everybody else has to run around frantically to satisfy?
I feel like I want to puke. See? It's easy.
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"Why is it so hard for Hillary Clinton to simply state the facts?"
Stopped clock. Up is down. Black is white. Cats & dogs, sleeping together.
Bill Appledorf and I agree on something!!
Stopped clock. Up is down. Black is white. Cats & dogs, sleeping together.
Bill Appledorf and I agree on something!!
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Thank you for this.
This election has made me want to throw up on a daily basis, based on things being said (or not) on either side of the campaign.
Truly disgusting.
The American voters should get a health care rebate just for having to live through this.
This election has made me want to throw up on a daily basis, based on things being said (or not) on either side of the campaign.
Truly disgusting.
The American voters should get a health care rebate just for having to live through this.
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Because Democratic Party politicians have become obsessed with what Fox and right wingers thing of them. I have no idea why. But I believe it must come from some inner insecurity and need for wealthy and establishment approval.
Let's see. Stumbler with a case of pneumonia versus a failed businessman, a pathological liar with no public service experience, no plan to govern, hallucinations for policy, and a classic narcissist who always looks out for Number 1 and says "trust me - I have a good brain"
Let us all think about that for a New York minute.
Let us all think about that for a New York minute.
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Versus a pathological liar WITH public service experience???
Emis=the truth, haunts us all. There is a force that humbles us all. Instead of selecting a candidate, why not simply watch what is happening?
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Decadence, once realized as the irreversible process Nietzsche said it was, is fascinating.
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for someone who is supposed to be so smart, she certainly shows very poor judgement. basket of deplorables? what is she trying to out trump trump? was that supposed to be funny? sheesh Hillary...and going out while sick with pneumonia and almost collapsing in public? Can you just for once get real for a minute?
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David Duke, ex Grand Wizard of the KKK is thrilled with Donald Trump and is excited that his views on jews and minorities are "becoming mainstream".
Put that in whatever basket you like, it is STILL deplorable to normalize this garbage.
Put that in whatever basket you like, it is STILL deplorable to normalize this garbage.
Why do Hillary's health concerns require so much media attention? If the media were indeed balanced in their coverage, as they claim, of both candidates, much more attention would (and should) be focused on Trump's tax returns, questionable business arrangements, and his never ending derogatory sexist, ageist, racist, homophobic, and xenophobic language.
Yes, journalists are required to be balanced and objective in their reporting, but not at the expense of the truth, especially when Trump's blatant lies and lack of presidential behavior seem to be given a kid glove pass by ALL media outlets, including the NYT. Would any presidential candidate in the past be allowed to continue his campaign after repeated compliments to and of dictators? One could argue that this imbalance of fair and reasonable media coverage is in large part because one of the party nominees is a woman. The 21st century and sexist seems still to reign supreme . . .
Yes, journalists are required to be balanced and objective in their reporting, but not at the expense of the truth, especially when Trump's blatant lies and lack of presidential behavior seem to be given a kid glove pass by ALL media outlets, including the NYT. Would any presidential candidate in the past be allowed to continue his campaign after repeated compliments to and of dictators? One could argue that this imbalance of fair and reasonable media coverage is in large part because one of the party nominees is a woman. The 21st century and sexist seems still to reign supreme . . .
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First, let's hope the former First Lady has a full recovery. Best wishes to her and her family.
But secondly, let's make sure she doesn't have the same fate as William Henry Harrison, the ninth President of the United States.
He was 68 years, 23 days old when inaugurated, the oldest president to take office until Ronald Reagan in 1981 and he was also the first president to die in office.
Harrison died on his 32nd day in office of complications from pneumonia, serving the shortest tenure in United States presidential history.
Harrison's death revealed the flaws in the constitution's clauses on presidential succession, sparking a brief constitutional crisis. Due to the death of Harrison, three Presidents served within a single calendar year (Martin Van Buren, Harrison, Tyler)
Harrison's grandson, Benjamin Harrison of Indiana, was the 23rd president, from 1889 to 1893, making them the only grandparent–grandchild pair of Presidents.
Let's hope the election of Hillary Clinton will not spark another constitutional crisis because more revelations about her shady dealings with the Clinton Foundation come to light after her potential inauguration (or a myriad of other possible revelations), making the only husband-wife pair of Presidents the first ones to be both impeached while in office.
If there is anything in the bushes and the Clinton campaign knows about it, now would be the perfect opportunity for a gracious exit, instead of another stumble like the one we witnessed yesterday
But secondly, let's make sure she doesn't have the same fate as William Henry Harrison, the ninth President of the United States.
He was 68 years, 23 days old when inaugurated, the oldest president to take office until Ronald Reagan in 1981 and he was also the first president to die in office.
Harrison died on his 32nd day in office of complications from pneumonia, serving the shortest tenure in United States presidential history.
Harrison's death revealed the flaws in the constitution's clauses on presidential succession, sparking a brief constitutional crisis. Due to the death of Harrison, three Presidents served within a single calendar year (Martin Van Buren, Harrison, Tyler)
Harrison's grandson, Benjamin Harrison of Indiana, was the 23rd president, from 1889 to 1893, making them the only grandparent–grandchild pair of Presidents.
Let's hope the election of Hillary Clinton will not spark another constitutional crisis because more revelations about her shady dealings with the Clinton Foundation come to light after her potential inauguration (or a myriad of other possible revelations), making the only husband-wife pair of Presidents the first ones to be both impeached while in office.
If there is anything in the bushes and the Clinton campaign knows about it, now would be the perfect opportunity for a gracious exit, instead of another stumble like the one we witnessed yesterday
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I think a stranger period was 1974 through early 1977, with Ford as President and Nelson Rockefeller as VP.
When Sprio Agnew resigned in shame as VP in 1973, Ford was appointed VP. When Nixon resigned, Ford was elevated to the Presidency. But there was now a VP vacancy, filled by Rockefeller.
So, for several years, we had a President and Vice President that no one had ever voted for.
When Sprio Agnew resigned in shame as VP in 1973, Ford was appointed VP. When Nixon resigned, Ford was elevated to the Presidency. But there was now a VP vacancy, filled by Rockefeller.
So, for several years, we had a President and Vice President that no one had ever voted for.
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Chris, a meteor might strike me as I fill out a winnning Powerball ticket. But it's too farfetched a scenario to waste brain cells on. So is yours.
Thanks for pointing that out, RM.
Found some interesting articles on the subject, they are on my reading list for later today when I take my dog out for a long walk, enjoying this unusually fabulous Berlin weather.
Found some interesting articles on the subject, they are on my reading list for later today when I take my dog out for a long walk, enjoying this unusually fabulous Berlin weather.
When it comes to spin, Republicans are pro, while Democrats are simpletons.
Had it happened to their candidate, the Republicans would have made a virtue of it. "See how patriotic our Candidate is. Despite extreme illness and fatigue, he attended the ceremony".
That is how Republicans have moves $Trillions since 9/11 from pockets of ordinary American taxpayers into pockets of rich Military Industrial Complex neocons via Iraq, Af-Pak, et al, all the way while waving the flag.
Had it happened to their candidate, the Republicans would have made a virtue of it. "See how patriotic our Candidate is. Despite extreme illness and fatigue, he attended the ceremony".
That is how Republicans have moves $Trillions since 9/11 from pockets of ordinary American taxpayers into pockets of rich Military Industrial Complex neocons via Iraq, Af-Pak, et al, all the way while waving the flag.
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It's one of the curious absurdities of the presidential politics of the USA that the health of the candidates is put under the microscope. There's a lot of justification behind it: The candidate has to be physically and mentally fit to formulate and execute policies from the point of campaign through the terms of office.
The Americans rightly demand transparency because in the past, most notably in the cases of Roosevelt and Kennedy, the medical report on their physical condition was hidden from the public. In the 2016 election cycle, Trump has cleverly played up the health, appearance and stamina issue of his opponents. He called Jeb Bush a low energy person, mocked at Carly Fiorina's appearance and questioned Hillary's stamina much before.
It's quite possible the hectic marathon-like running around must have taken its toll on Hillary's health. At one time when she was the Secretary of the State, she did suffer from some ailment that must have weakened her system. After all, in her late 60's, she shouldn't have the same energy as that of Obama.
The tolerable level of ailment in the candidates, therefore, must not upset the American voters, and they are unlikely to be swayed by the news of Hillary's health. There's a succession procedure in place, her followers will stick with her. It may, however, create whispering campaign in the Republican circles.
The tall world figures like Mao, Brezhnev, Khomeini, Deng Ping, Ho Chi Minh were all old and suffered from some ailment.
The Americans rightly demand transparency because in the past, most notably in the cases of Roosevelt and Kennedy, the medical report on their physical condition was hidden from the public. In the 2016 election cycle, Trump has cleverly played up the health, appearance and stamina issue of his opponents. He called Jeb Bush a low energy person, mocked at Carly Fiorina's appearance and questioned Hillary's stamina much before.
It's quite possible the hectic marathon-like running around must have taken its toll on Hillary's health. At one time when she was the Secretary of the State, she did suffer from some ailment that must have weakened her system. After all, in her late 60's, she shouldn't have the same energy as that of Obama.
The tolerable level of ailment in the candidates, therefore, must not upset the American voters, and they are unlikely to be swayed by the news of Hillary's health. There's a succession procedure in place, her followers will stick with her. It may, however, create whispering campaign in the Republican circles.
The tall world figures like Mao, Brezhnev, Khomeini, Deng Ping, Ho Chi Minh were all old and suffered from some ailment.
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Roosevelt and Kennedy, our two greatest, hid their health. Good one. Go Hillary!
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Isn't this one of those situations where her health and fitness aren't the real issue. Like so much with her, it was the failure to acknowledge the pneumonia on Fri????.
It can turn badly in a few heartbeats.
You can't dodge the lie.
It can turn badly in a few heartbeats.
You can't dodge the lie.
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Why is it your business? If she were a younger woman would you want to know when she was on her cycle? Painful periods? She certainly didn't think the pneumonia was that bad! Lots of people have it. Not news! Nobody needs to get their panties in a wad. Oh, right... They just need a reason to hate on her because she's a woman and they can't admit it in themselves. Please go look at the REAL issues and comment on that. We have some major concerns. She's got some good ideas. Let's talk about them.
"In turning illness into a personality flaw, a dangerous side effect of femaleness, Trump most likely made it all the more difficult for Clinton to acknowledge straightaway whatever health issue was in fact troubling her, whenever it kicked in in earnest." (Has Ms. Dominus joined Ms. Clinton's PR team?)
Bushwah! "Trump", "personality flaw", or "femaleness" did not make it any more or less difficult for Clinton to "acknowledge straightaway whatever health issue was troubling her".
The difficulty Clinton had with admitting to and explaining her "health issue" was her continued penchant for secrecy and deception. Never will I vote for Trump but come on, Hillary, give me at least one good reason to vote for you. Stop lying. Stop covering. Stop dodging. I'll take two out of three.
Bushwah! "Trump", "personality flaw", or "femaleness" did not make it any more or less difficult for Clinton to "acknowledge straightaway whatever health issue was troubling her".
The difficulty Clinton had with admitting to and explaining her "health issue" was her continued penchant for secrecy and deception. Never will I vote for Trump but come on, Hillary, give me at least one good reason to vote for you. Stop lying. Stop covering. Stop dodging. I'll take two out of three.
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Funny, I don't remember this level of panic when Chief Justice John Roberts had a seizure during a vacation, indicating that he might have a mild form of epilepsy ....
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ummm, because epilepsy is not deadly, and not the same thing as a stroke?
Also, he has lifetime tenure.
Also, he has lifetime tenure.
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Roberts can't launch the missiles because he's feeling bad at 3 a.m., or prevent them from being launched because he was too sick to get out of bed.
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Gmoog, fainting is also not deadly and is not the same thing as a stroke. Likewise, walking pneumonia.
Why would you think Clinton fainting is like she had a deadly stroke? A little overwrought, are you? Or just disappointed?
Why would you think Clinton fainting is like she had a deadly stroke? A little overwrought, are you? Or just disappointed?
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Today’s news is that Clinton isn’t campaigning. Since when did one day off become not campaigning? Honestly, our collective demands of her are kind of sick. People in glass houses...
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Don't disclose material facts or lie until one is caught is the Clinton MO, always. It is hard not to be profoundly cynical about anything to do with the Bill and Hillary show. After they're caught apologies are all that ever happens. They never learn.
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I just met someone very important, someone very, very important who told me that Donald J Trump is not going to make his taxes available for public scrutiny because he, Donald J Trump, has included in his tax returns several large donations to charities but it happens that the charities indicated in Donald J Trump's returns say they never received those donations. So for you all out there looking forward to take a look at Donald J Trump's tax returns "forget about it" because those tax returns are not coming.
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Just maybe we're seeing how a Clinton White House would operate. A candidate who can't "come clean" about e-mail servers handling classified materials and acknowledge mistakes of judgment also has difficulties releasing health information and acknowledging illness would make an interesting President indeed. Somehow lost is the notion of a "public servant" subordinate to controlling the "news cycle".
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I will vote for Clinton because the alternative is too awful to contemplate, but a I am angry at her recklessness, no matter the reason. With the debates weeks away, what was she thinking? Surely she is enough a student of history to recall how Nixon looking pale after an illness affected perceptions and the election. It can take weeks or longer to fully recover from pneumonia. What if she passed out during s debate? Was she actually going to travel across country in her condition to do some schnorring for donations rather than rest? Makes me wonder who is advising her and whether she has a grasp on just what is at stake in this election.
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In December 2002, John Kerry, then a leading Democratic presidential candidate, was diagnosed with prostate cancer. He did not reveal his cancer to the public until February 2003, a few days before surgery. Even a week before surgery he had denied being ill. He kept his cancer private for many weeks in order to perform testing and consult with doctors and family about his treatment options. The press, including this paper, treated Kerry's illness and surgery in distinctly respectful tones: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/12/us/kerry-to-undergo-surgery-for-prosta...
Contrast this respect for Kerry's privacy with the hysterical reporting around Clinton's pneumonia. That she did not instantly leap to inform the press about contracting pneumonia, likely hoping it might be mild and something she could deal with quietly, has been transformed into a serious ethics breach and personality flaw obsessing press and social media for days. The vast absurdity of this when compared with the limp requests from the press for Trump to release his medical records, never mind tax returns, with almost zero follow-up, is breathtakingly hypocritical.
Simply put, the media is at it again. Making a big fat fake fuss about Clinton's health, with the usual insinuations that she is hiding something. Where’s the fuss over Trump refusing to release anything? Where’s the fuss over the decades long history of Trump's corruption and sleaze? Look in the mirror, NYTimes: you are failing us.
Contrast this respect for Kerry's privacy with the hysterical reporting around Clinton's pneumonia. That she did not instantly leap to inform the press about contracting pneumonia, likely hoping it might be mild and something she could deal with quietly, has been transformed into a serious ethics breach and personality flaw obsessing press and social media for days. The vast absurdity of this when compared with the limp requests from the press for Trump to release his medical records, never mind tax returns, with almost zero follow-up, is breathtakingly hypocritical.
Simply put, the media is at it again. Making a big fat fake fuss about Clinton's health, with the usual insinuations that she is hiding something. Where’s the fuss over Trump refusing to release anything? Where’s the fuss over the decades long history of Trump's corruption and sleaze? Look in the mirror, NYTimes: you are failing us.
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The difference between Kerry and Clinton is 14 years, the internet's ability to disseminate information and the voters' right to know. Clinton's penchant for secrecy is absolutely contradictory with her drive to be president. Clinton can't choose. She's either a public person or a private person.
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This is a good comment.
1K honorary recommendations.
1K honorary recommendations.
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Timing matters. Kerry's cancer issue was 20 months before the election; he didn't even have the nomination then.
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If the NYT is so determined to pursue an editorial policy of false balance, can we get some stories about Trump's evident health issues. Surely anyone displaying so many symptoms of being delusional, pathologically narcissistic, and generally unmoored from reality must have some mental health issues even the deplorables among his supporters would want to know about. And let's not forget that the most we know about the health of the man with the unwholesome skin tone is some cockamamie letter purportedly from his friend the gastroenterologist.
By any rational measure, a sick Clinton would make a better President than a healthy Trump.
By any rational measure, a sick Clinton would make a better President than a healthy Trump.
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If Hillary Clinton and/or her staff had disclosed her illness on Friday, her collapse when trying to leave the 9-11 ceremonies would have been far less important. It might even have made her look heroic continuing with her schedule despite having a serious illness that anyone who has had it, as I have, knows can knock you off your feet for at least a few days. As it is, not telling put the focus, again, on whether she is going to try to protect herself over the public's need to know.
Saying she had pneumonia would not have been a big deal, except, of course, it would have been used as ammunition for the rumor mongering of the right wing. Presidents have to swim against this kind of tide all the time, every day, with every proposal and action taken. Hillary Clinton unfortunately seems to think that she can fight the tide, that she can be president and still maintain a "zone of privacy". Well, she can maintain it, but it would be not much bigger than a postage stamp.
We expect our very top leader to keep us up on all important matters. No, don't show us your scars (that's been tried long ago to very poor affect). But let us know what's going on. The excuse that she didn't think it would be very important doesn't work. She didn't think the email server would be a big deal, but the far right in America has been beating her over the head with it for many months.
She didn't need to sow these kinds of doubts. As it is, she made it much worse than it had to be.
Saying she had pneumonia would not have been a big deal, except, of course, it would have been used as ammunition for the rumor mongering of the right wing. Presidents have to swim against this kind of tide all the time, every day, with every proposal and action taken. Hillary Clinton unfortunately seems to think that she can fight the tide, that she can be president and still maintain a "zone of privacy". Well, she can maintain it, but it would be not much bigger than a postage stamp.
We expect our very top leader to keep us up on all important matters. No, don't show us your scars (that's been tried long ago to very poor affect). But let us know what's going on. The excuse that she didn't think it would be very important doesn't work. She didn't think the email server would be a big deal, but the far right in America has been beating her over the head with it for many months.
She didn't need to sow these kinds of doubts. As it is, she made it much worse than it had to be.
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Yes, really, what has happened to our press? Donald Trump threatens to start WW III if an American ship has a rude gesture made at it. His surrogate Rudy Giuliani claims that there are no such things as war crimes --- in war everything is legal (really, is he losing his mind? From a man with his resume that just sounds unhinged). And does the Times bother to mention either of these? Not sy far as I have seen; handicap the horse race, forget the substance, The press --- most irresponsible group of people in the country, maybe in the world.
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Please. Hillary and Obama (following Bush before them) already has us halfway to WW3. Obama has bombed 7 countries and we know Clinton prefers an even stronger campaign. How many disparaging things have you said about Russia lately to just cover her behind? They have people parroting the propaganda already.
Shouldn't Donald J Trump disclose where is his wife? Is she well? Or should we worry about her? Melania could be our next FLOTUS so we need to know. It just crossed my mind that what is happening with Melania is very similar to when one of those Chinese or North Korean leaders disappear from the public view.
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I'm much more worried about Trump's red and easily flushed face. Looks like a heart attack or stroke candidate to me.
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It was Putin, and Trump put him up to it!!!
Come on Hillary. People get sick, its no crime. Nobody would ridicule a case of pneumonia. It could be a valuable teaching moment.
I am old enough to remember when it was revealed that Jimmy Carter suffered from hemorrhoids. Now, that was probably news that he would have liked to keep hidden.
Come on Hillary. People get sick, its no crime. Nobody would ridicule a case of pneumonia. It could be a valuable teaching moment.
I am old enough to remember when it was revealed that Jimmy Carter suffered from hemorrhoids. Now, that was probably news that he would have liked to keep hidden.
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Thanks for the laugh, RM, and you are just full of fun facts today!
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Hillary Clinton is her own worst enemy in this campaign. She is unwilling to trust her staff and afraid to tell the public about her illness. She has never adequately explained her emails and always seemed to think that problem would go away. She has so intimidated her staff that they seem unable to tell her to stop taken self destruction actions. I blame her illness for her badly chosen remark about half of Trumps supporters being beyond the pale. Didn't she realize she was sick? Did any staff realize that she was sick? Doesn't anyone tell her when she must back off? I just went through five weeks of pneumonia and for Hillary to somehow imagine that her ill feelings could be worked through was stupid. If Trump somehow gets elected Hillary Clinton will be cursed forever.
If this election had Joe or Bernie against Trump it would be so over!
If this election had Joe or Bernie against Trump it would be so over!
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I will never vote for Trump, but I found the following pretty persuasive, even in spite of the author's stated and extremely obvious political bias. I think Hillary is much more seriously ill than has been stated. She was semi-rigid when they put her in that SUV -- she wasn't totally slumped out like a rag-doll in the way you would be if you had just fainted. It wasn't a faint; it was something different. She was propped up against that pillar, and then they tried to help her into the car but she tripped over her own feet, but her head was still upright; it wasn't flopping around the way a fainted person's would have been. I watched and re-watched that video over and over because something about it was so disturbingly wrong and didn't match the dehydration/over-heating/pneumonia description to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr1IDQ2V1eM
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In what universe does Clinton's health get more attention than Trump praising Putin, Trump pledging to declare war on people who make gestures at a US warship, the Trump Foundation's questionable practices and on and on. It's the universe where the New York Times rightfully excoriates Matt Lauer for his lopsided questioning yet fixates on Clinton's health. Outrageous statement after outrageous statement from Trump get covered with the same weight as Clinton's relatively minor lapses. Perhaps it's the universe where women are held to a different standard. The Times understood it when Lauer had two different standards. Doctor heal thyself.
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Clinton kaputt! Now what?
The only way forward for the democratic campaign at this point may be advertising the robustness of their VP candidate's health.
The only way forward for the democratic campaign at this point may be advertising the robustness of their VP candidate's health.
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Not a "stumble". I've seen that many times with my patients. That was a collapse.
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You practice medicine by video?
I hope your "patients" don't have to pay for that kind of advice.
I hope your "patients" don't have to pay for that kind of advice.
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Kay
Bill didn't say anything about diagnosis or causation. What sort of medical expertise do you think one needs to differentiate between a stumble and a collapse?
Bill didn't say anything about diagnosis or causation. What sort of medical expertise do you think one needs to differentiate between a stumble and a collapse?
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Bill's patients wait until they can hardly stand upright, and then they arrive in his waiting room and collapse. He sees that all the time.
The issue is not truly about Ms. Clinton's health; as long as she persists in thinking that state of her health, or the disappearing then reappearing emails, or Benghazi, or the colors of her pant suits, are key the issues troubling the electorate, she will remain baffled as to why her negative poll numbers are so high. Just when you think all has at last been revealed, new revelations (most of them, admittedly, of little substance or consequence in and of themselves) come to grab the spotlight.
How one who has been through so much for so long can be so utterly oblivious to the political world swirling around her is truly baffling.
Perhaps instead of using the word "private" to describe Ms. Clinton, we use "secretive" and the core of her problem becomes apparent.
How one who has been through so much for so long can be so utterly oblivious to the political world swirling around her is truly baffling.
Perhaps instead of using the word "private" to describe Ms. Clinton, we use "secretive" and the core of her problem becomes apparent.
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Most of them of little substance? The woman is required by law to preserve all her work product. She not only went way out of her way to hide her work product by setting up a private server, but, when discovered, she first lied about having presented all her work related e mails. When her lies were discovered, she attempted to delete and destroy the public's property (as her work product belongs to all of us). To top it off, when she received a subpoena to produce, she continued to destroy our property.
How this acts can be considered of little substance or consequence in and of themselves baffles ME at least.
How this acts can be considered of little substance or consequence in and of themselves baffles ME at least.
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Where are you Jeb Bush, John McCain, PaUL Ryan? Still willing to save your jobs or party loyalty by supporting Donald Trump ? Shame for your disregard for our national security for your selfish purposes.
mott groom
mott groom
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Referring to another put down of HRC
When do hear from a neurologist about the video on the day of 9/11 as well as the video evidence of head bobbing, eye rolling, and so forth?
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Put down the mirror maybe.
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Donald J. Trump may think he is running for Head Gossipmonger not President of the US. Trump always meets "very important people, very, very important people" (but Trump never discloses who they are) who tell him, tell Trump, "things" (but Trump never disclose what are those "things") and Trump always tells his audience that "something is going on, something very, very important is going on" (but Trump never discloses what is that "is going on"). I imagine President Trump in a meeting of the G8 plus Russia saying to Vladimir Putin and the rest: "Before coming to this meeting I met very important people, very, very important people and they told me things, they told me something very important is going on, something very, very important is going on" and then Angela Merkel asking "OK Mr Trump, what is going on? Tell us, tell us, we are all ears" (and then the entire G8 plus Russia erupts in uproarious laughter.
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I suggest that it is also unlikely that Hillary Clinton ever read "Illness as Metaphor". Or anything else by Susan Sontag. She may have met her at an Annie Leibovitz opening I suppose. Hillary Clinton never read anything. Except possibly "Rules for Radicals'?
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Are you seriously trying to use the work of Susan Sontag to bash Hillary Clinton.
You know nothing about either one of them.
You know nothing about either one of them.
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The noose is tightening, perhaps making Hillary ill.
Many of her staff members have been deposed, including:
"Ambassador Lewis A. Lukens, former deputy assistant secretary of state and executive director of the State Department's Executive Secretariat from 2008 to 2011. His testimony revealed that from the outset, Clinton always intended to keep her communications while Secretary of State outside the State Department communications system."
Cheryl D. Mills, Hillary's chief of staff while Hillary served as SoS. Mills' attorney instructed her client not to answer 15 separate liens of q questioning posed by JW's lawyers. Mills' lawyers objected nearly 300 times and Mills answered "I don't know" 183 times.
"Ambassador Stephen D. Mull, executive secretary of the State Department from June 2010 to October 2012, who suggested that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton be issued a State Department BlackBerry, which would protect her identity and would also be subject to FOIA requests."
Karin Lang, director of executive secretariat stff and designated representative for the State Department;
Former State Department IT official Brian Pagliano, who "repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment right to not answer questions. He reportedly provided support for the Clinton email system.
Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin, who testified it was Clinton's decision to use her non-state.gov email. to www.JudicialWatch.org and look for The Verdict, September 2016 Volume 22/Issue 9
Many of her staff members have been deposed, including:
"Ambassador Lewis A. Lukens, former deputy assistant secretary of state and executive director of the State Department's Executive Secretariat from 2008 to 2011. His testimony revealed that from the outset, Clinton always intended to keep her communications while Secretary of State outside the State Department communications system."
Cheryl D. Mills, Hillary's chief of staff while Hillary served as SoS. Mills' attorney instructed her client not to answer 15 separate liens of q questioning posed by JW's lawyers. Mills' lawyers objected nearly 300 times and Mills answered "I don't know" 183 times.
"Ambassador Stephen D. Mull, executive secretary of the State Department from June 2010 to October 2012, who suggested that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton be issued a State Department BlackBerry, which would protect her identity and would also be subject to FOIA requests."
Karin Lang, director of executive secretariat stff and designated representative for the State Department;
Former State Department IT official Brian Pagliano, who "repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment right to not answer questions. He reportedly provided support for the Clinton email system.
Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin, who testified it was Clinton's decision to use her non-state.gov email. to www.JudicialWatch.org and look for The Verdict, September 2016 Volume 22/Issue 9
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Dark color pantsuit. A walking solar collector overheated. No mystery here despite some of the most inventive ideas I have ever read. Could have been Martians beaming her. Really, we don't see them with Telescopes and satellites. They live in deep below the surface of Mars...........Cue the Deep mine search for life article.
You must have had as much fun writing the piece as I did reading it and the comments.
You must have had as much fun writing the piece as I did reading it and the comments.
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I am a Hillary supporter, and for years have discounted the attacks against her. But her not admitting her diagnosis of pneumonia last week until she became publicly sick on Sunday illustrates her greatest weakness as a politician: her lack of trust in the essential decency of most of the American people. She needs to trust us, most of us anyway, that we will understand that getting pneumonia could happen to anyone, that she can take the time she needs to recover. If she were more open, more revealing of herself, even more vulnerable, a lot of the public distrust of her would quickly evaporate, I believe. I think she believes that her secrecy protects her; but the reality is the opposite.
She also needs to take better care of herself. I hope for her sake and for that of the American people that she uses this opportunity to open up a little more.
She also needs to take better care of herself. I hope for her sake and for that of the American people that she uses this opportunity to open up a little more.
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Perhaps instead of making up imaginary scenarios about Trump you could benefit from examining actual scenarios about Hillary's corruption, lying before Congress, destruction of evidence, destruction of government property, breaking of pledges, failure to file 990 foreign donation IRS disclosure forms, using a private insecure server for government messages, including those that were top secret and classified.
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" for years have discounted the attacks against her" and
"But her not admitting her diagnosis of pneumonia last week until she became publicly sick on Sunday illustrates her greatest weakness as a politician: her lack of trust in the essential decency of most of the American people."
THAT is your assessment of her greatest weakness as a politician?
No wonder you have discounted the "attacks against her". I like your phraseology, "attacks agaisnt her" as if we all know they are unwarranted, right?
Comey's attack on her effectively calling her a liar just because thousands of work related e mails were discovered that she had not in fact turned over to investigators, even though she said she did. Unfair attack.
"But her not admitting her diagnosis of pneumonia last week until she became publicly sick on Sunday illustrates her greatest weakness as a politician: her lack of trust in the essential decency of most of the American people."
THAT is your assessment of her greatest weakness as a politician?
No wonder you have discounted the "attacks against her". I like your phraseology, "attacks agaisnt her" as if we all know they are unwarranted, right?
Comey's attack on her effectively calling her a liar just because thousands of work related e mails were discovered that she had not in fact turned over to investigators, even though she said she did. Unfair attack.
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My Lord. So Ms. Clinton was dehydrated and walking pneumonia and so she stumbled. Jesus. Does nobody have a mother - ? So she was pushing herself past her limit. I'm not a fan of Hilary's hawk policies and track record but this is ridiculous. Her exhaustion caught up with her. Big friggen deal. I'd take a bed ridden Hilary to a robust Donald hands down. @johannaclear
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I agree completely, but I **am** a fan of Ms. Clinton.
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So you are "not a fan of Hillary's hawk policies and track record"? Does that track record include her lying to congressional committees, destruction of documents, and indifference to the security of her work product?
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Now, both of the candidates have pretended to be well when they were very sick.
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What has happened to our press? Trump yesterday said what amounted to a declaration of war if Iranian boats make "gestures" to our naval vessels, just "gestures. He is promising to start WW III over "gestures." There isn't a word about this in the press, even in the NYT, yet all the ink and space is spent on Mrs. Clinton's feeling faint after 90 minutes standing in the heat and humidity dressed in a bullet-proof vest under her suit. Has there ever been a presidential campaign like this?
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That isn't even close to what he said
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just "gestures".
Now, Zullym, just how did you interpret these "gestures", and are you suggesting that the US wait until a swarm of them, armed with destructive weapons, actually attack our ships in international waters?
Or would you suggest we wait until Iran has used the billions we sent them to fully completed its purchase of and installation of defensive missiles to protect their nuclear sites which Obama and Kerry, with Hillary's initial help, will have made legal within 8 years?
Or should we wait until they perfect their ICBM development until they can reach our shores with their nuclear bombs?
Perhaps you think shouts of Death to America should be seen as just "gestures"?
If WWIII is going to start, it may well do so over Syria before Trump is even in office, and while Obama continues to assure the world that the US has drawn its red line. Today it was announced that China has gotten involved as well in the Syrian civilian war.
Now, Zullym, just how did you interpret these "gestures", and are you suggesting that the US wait until a swarm of them, armed with destructive weapons, actually attack our ships in international waters?
Or would you suggest we wait until Iran has used the billions we sent them to fully completed its purchase of and installation of defensive missiles to protect their nuclear sites which Obama and Kerry, with Hillary's initial help, will have made legal within 8 years?
Or should we wait until they perfect their ICBM development until they can reach our shores with their nuclear bombs?
Perhaps you think shouts of Death to America should be seen as just "gestures"?
If WWIII is going to start, it may well do so over Syria before Trump is even in office, and while Obama continues to assure the world that the US has drawn its red line. Today it was announced that China has gotten involved as well in the Syrian civilian war.
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This is just as bizarre as when Obama ran and the right wing went absolutely bonkers because they could not process the disruption he caused to some story line that they had their life wrapped around and he needed to stop making them uncomfortable.
Now we have a woman candidate who has been running for a year, gets sick, and the Donald Trump folks aided by the Wiki Leaks juvenile who revenge-hates Clinton is fabricating stories which the media faithfully repeats for them. They don't bother to repeat HER side, just the lies of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump honks about demanding an apology for the people insulted that they are called out for being anti semites, gay bashers, KKK members, white nationalists and the media doesnt report her full statement. Where is the Trump apology to our President for questioning his faith? for trying to cast doubt on his birthright as an American- how dare he now ask Clinton to apologize to the people who attacked Obama with him.
Where is the apology to John McCain from this disgrace who called his "own VietNam his avoidance of venereal disease".
Where is the apology to Mr. Khan for his insult to his deceased Marine son? The apology to Mrs. Khan for his disgusting interpretation of her grief?
This man has no decency and all you can do is "watch, and wince" at Clinton.
Now we have a woman candidate who has been running for a year, gets sick, and the Donald Trump folks aided by the Wiki Leaks juvenile who revenge-hates Clinton is fabricating stories which the media faithfully repeats for them. They don't bother to repeat HER side, just the lies of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump honks about demanding an apology for the people insulted that they are called out for being anti semites, gay bashers, KKK members, white nationalists and the media doesnt report her full statement. Where is the Trump apology to our President for questioning his faith? for trying to cast doubt on his birthright as an American- how dare he now ask Clinton to apologize to the people who attacked Obama with him.
Where is the apology to John McCain from this disgrace who called his "own VietNam his avoidance of venereal disease".
Where is the apology to Mr. Khan for his insult to his deceased Marine son? The apology to Mrs. Khan for his disgusting interpretation of her grief?
This man has no decency and all you can do is "watch, and wince" at Clinton.
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So you think that Comey is on whose side when he reports that she has lied to Congressional committes investigating her activities while SoS, and when he refuses to suggest prosecution to the Attorney General after she had a secret meeting with Hillary's husband while her prosecution was still pending.
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Ronald:
Comey is a Republican. Go peddle your conspiracy piddle somewhere else and bother to read what Comey actually said if you are going to comment. Committees are to investigate, not confirm bias. Grown-ups don't always get their way and they don't get to keep demanding "do-overs".
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Comey did not say Hillary Clinton lied; he said she was "careless".
Has anyone thought that maybe she avoided fluids for the day so she wouldn't have to go at an important gathering? C'mon, we've all been there!
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Her penchant for secrecy is not becoming one asking millions of Americans to vote for her. She should strive to be more open as about everything that could be thrown at her has been at some time over the years.
I am no fan of Ms Clinton and will not vote for her or Mr Trump as I see neither as worthy of my trust, confidence or endorsement at the polls, but realize the likelihood that she will be President in January is at this point fairly high. As a citizen- not a supporter- I would prefer she be more open and upfront with the American people.
She should have stayed home, released a statement saying she had Pneumonia and left it at that. I had Pneumonia in my 40's and was slapped in the hospital for 3 days of being pumped full of IV fluids and antibiotics, then sent home for a week- it is not something to be trifled with.
Her incessant need to control the message in the extreme is not doing her any good with undecided voters of those wavering in their tepid support. We all get sick and smart people stay home, take their meds and rest.
I am no fan of Ms Clinton and will not vote for her or Mr Trump as I see neither as worthy of my trust, confidence or endorsement at the polls, but realize the likelihood that she will be President in January is at this point fairly high. As a citizen- not a supporter- I would prefer she be more open and upfront with the American people.
She should have stayed home, released a statement saying she had Pneumonia and left it at that. I had Pneumonia in my 40's and was slapped in the hospital for 3 days of being pumped full of IV fluids and antibiotics, then sent home for a week- it is not something to be trifled with.
Her incessant need to control the message in the extreme is not doing her any good with undecided voters of those wavering in their tepid support. We all get sick and smart people stay home, take their meds and rest.
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Don't you realize yet that her "incessant need to control the message" is because the messages were intended by her to remain secret, even though the work related ones belong to all of us?
Don't you wonder why she would go to so much trouble to set up a secret communications system outside government channels, for government work?
Has it ever crossed your mind that destruction of government property, lying to congressional committees, and using insecure emails in a hostile world are enough to disqualify such a candidate in the minds of most sane voters?
Don't you wonder why she would go to so much trouble to set up a secret communications system outside government channels, for government work?
Has it ever crossed your mind that destruction of government property, lying to congressional committees, and using insecure emails in a hostile world are enough to disqualify such a candidate in the minds of most sane voters?
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Never has so little prompted so much press swooning.
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I hear a lot of people behaving as though Hillary Clinton was on death's doorstep. Well, I've had pneumonia-- and I got over it. I think a lot of people have had that same experience. Old people in poor health may die of it, but Clinton isn't that old, nor is her health that bad--and God knows she has hot and cold running doctors at her behest. If she dies, it would be terrible, but I don't think it's going to happen, so get back in your kennel, Donald, and stop jumping the gun.
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This is another fallout of 24 hour news cycle. I wish her well and get back to campaigning to defeat trump.
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Beyond one's feelings, there is a sense that things may be much worse than Mrs. Clinton's secrecy or the nihilism of Trump. Perhaps in different ways our form of government has come to an impasse; something evident but hardly noticed. Nothing really works as it should and there is an anger set loose for which the system has no recourse.
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Yes much worse than Mrs. Clinton's secrecy is the reason behind her secrecy: she is hiding something, and most believe that this something is her relationship between State and the Foundation while she served as SoS.
Much worse is the indifference she has shown for our national secrets while she was so intent upon maintaining secrecy surrounding her broken pledge to not allow the Foundation to accept foreign donations.
Much worse is the indifference she has shown for our national secrets while she was so intent upon maintaining secrecy surrounding her broken pledge to not allow the Foundation to accept foreign donations.
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ronald: you sound like you need a hunting project- go find that painting that Trump forked over 20 K for as a gift to himself with donors money and painted OF himself. All under the Foundation umbrella.
Off you go.
Off you go.
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There is so much talk about H. Clinton's health, much of it fabricated by Trump. What about trump's own health? I could point out to so many of his recent and not so recent pronouncements which would point to an unsound mind, unsound to the point that the public should consider him to be unfit to occupy the oval office.
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Actually, most of the fabrications -- "nothing wrong with her," "no, it's just allergies," "overheated" -- have come from Hillary herself.
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For those of us who suffer from a sensitive respiratory system that can fatigue out after 10 or more hours of being up and at the computer or even talking or watching TV intently at the end of the day, we all recognized the coughing type and the outcome. Shut down and rest cure it.
It has to be a mild pneumonia since with a real pneumonia you might have a 103 degree temperature and be in bed maybe even with the chills. Been there, done that.
No matter you never fool with any type of pneumonia since it immediately affects your oxygen supply to your heart muscles and respiratory system. Great celebrities such as Akio Morita head of Sony, Leonard Bernstein, Jim Henson the Muppets guy, and author John Grisham all succumbed quickly to pneumonia.
Her situation is not surprising since the grind of getting up early and being up late and on airplanes aggravates those oversensitive lung and bronchial networks. Part of the situation is that the immune system fatigues out too and that's how illnesses can take off.
Let's give her a few days to rest and see what happens.
BTW, she should immediately ask Donald Trump to apologize to every Mexican on the planet.
It has to be a mild pneumonia since with a real pneumonia you might have a 103 degree temperature and be in bed maybe even with the chills. Been there, done that.
No matter you never fool with any type of pneumonia since it immediately affects your oxygen supply to your heart muscles and respiratory system. Great celebrities such as Akio Morita head of Sony, Leonard Bernstein, Jim Henson the Muppets guy, and author John Grisham all succumbed quickly to pneumonia.
Her situation is not surprising since the grind of getting up early and being up late and on airplanes aggravates those oversensitive lung and bronchial networks. Part of the situation is that the immune system fatigues out too and that's how illnesses can take off.
Let's give her a few days to rest and see what happens.
BTW, she should immediately ask Donald Trump to apologize to every Mexican on the planet.
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Wow, thank you for a reasoned and reasonable comment. You're clearly neither an "I'm with her" paid Hillary troll, nor an "alt-right" nutbar. I actually got something out of your essay.
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I consider myself of average intelligence and know that Hillary Clinton will be fine soon and before the election. It's the Trump followers that are no beacons of brilliance because they are the same people that flock to his Casinos to lose their money. HHmmmm? Not too smart, are they?
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Those with more than average intelligence know that Trump does not own any casinos.
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GMoog..........Really? He did once. They are still gambling with Americas future.
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Just admit that you were wrong, Patrick. I accept your apology in advance.
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The breaking news is that Hillary is going to release 'more' medical reports about her health ostensibly by cherry-picking information and proclaiming that will be all there is to see. Isn't that what she did with her emails until FBI discovered more emails she did not turn over? She cannot be trusted and must do more: have a press conference with her physician and allow media to ask tough questions to both of them.
Will she do so? I am not betting on it.
Will she do so? I am not betting on it.
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I hope she doesn't get the mindset that senile nasty Trump is the boss of her. He can call for medical records all he wants, but until he discloses his business interests and the potential for conflicts of interests, I know he is not a serious candidate; he's an opportunist.
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Trump got into Hillary's head. About her health.
Sadly, it seems that the Trump campaign's tweets and surrogates' comments all over cable news caused Hillary to keep up a very hectic schedule even though she had a persistent and worsening cough and then was diagnosed with pneumonia, which I suspect was "walking pneumonia." No wonder she felt increasingly weak when in a crowd of people, all close together, with no fresh air to breathe, and being quite overdressed for the heat and humidity (to look formal for the 911 ceremony), and then. basically, collapsed.
Many people, myself included, have developed a cough that kept getting worse, but because we had no "flu" symptoms, and not even other "common cold" symptoms, we did not think that a doctors' visit was necessary -- assumed with some throat lozenges the cough would go away.. Until weeks later, when it did not go away, and it was wearing us down to where we were exhausted from all the coughing and felt as if we would fall over if we had to walk around or stand too much. Then finally, we go to the doctor, and we are told tthat we have "walking pneumonia," and we are given a prescription, and, especially if you must fly on a plane, small rescue type inhalers.
Hillary needs to learn that trying to prove Trump wrong, and trying to keep up a schedule that Trump has never even attempted to keep up with, is just stupidity.
And, in this case, resulted in videos shown globally that show her collapsing into a van.
Sadly, it seems that the Trump campaign's tweets and surrogates' comments all over cable news caused Hillary to keep up a very hectic schedule even though she had a persistent and worsening cough and then was diagnosed with pneumonia, which I suspect was "walking pneumonia." No wonder she felt increasingly weak when in a crowd of people, all close together, with no fresh air to breathe, and being quite overdressed for the heat and humidity (to look formal for the 911 ceremony), and then. basically, collapsed.
Many people, myself included, have developed a cough that kept getting worse, but because we had no "flu" symptoms, and not even other "common cold" symptoms, we did not think that a doctors' visit was necessary -- assumed with some throat lozenges the cough would go away.. Until weeks later, when it did not go away, and it was wearing us down to where we were exhausted from all the coughing and felt as if we would fall over if we had to walk around or stand too much. Then finally, we go to the doctor, and we are told tthat we have "walking pneumonia," and we are given a prescription, and, especially if you must fly on a plane, small rescue type inhalers.
Hillary needs to learn that trying to prove Trump wrong, and trying to keep up a schedule that Trump has never even attempted to keep up with, is just stupidity.
And, in this case, resulted in videos shown globally that show her collapsing into a van.
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Yup, its all Trump's fault. What a rat he was, what with " the Trump campaign's tweets and surrogates' comments all over cable news" causing "Hillary to keep up a very hectic schedule even though she had a persistent and worsening cough and then was diagnosed with pneumonia".
The nerve of him to campaign so actively when she was secretly ill with pneumonia.
The nerve of him to campaign so actively when she was secretly ill with pneumonia.
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WADR, read my comment again. Never said that it was Trump's fault. In fact, I said that "Hillary needs to learn that trying to prove Trump wrong, and trying to keep up a schedule that Trump has never even attempted to keep up with, is just stupidity." That lays the blame on Hillary. And, my saying that "Trump got into Hillary's head. About her health" is not laying blame on Trump. It's saying that she let him get into her head. Meaning, her weakness. His tactics worked.
I would like to say I don't care about her health- but I do - I hope she recovers quickly and fully . I am also not concerned about Donald Trumps health either- but hope he is also healthy - i do however care about his mental health and I would much rather see a psychiatric evaluation than his cholesterol levels
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Oh, Nancy, Nancy, Berkeley has clearly affected your ability to see the truth.
I will wager you have no clue about the findings concerning Hillary's astonishing activities.
I will wager you have no clue about the findings concerning Hillary's astonishing activities.
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We also have no clue as to what his "astonishing" health report is all about, either. I saw the picture of the doctor who issued a blank prescription form for Donald to write the "astonishing" health report; I wouldn't go to an old hippy doctor for any kind of report. I graduated from UC Berkeley, Ronald, and it was pretty hard to get in, harder to stay in, and really hard to get grades above a B. Where did you graduate from? We will wait.
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And while we (and the media) all go off the deep end about this, Trump's lies and position changes pile up faster than anyone can keep up with them, his rally attendees continue to engage in physical violence, his VP pick refuses to disown a en-Nazi supporter, on and on it goes. Yes, Hillary certainly could have handled this better, and once again in true Clinton fashion the cover up turns out to be worse than the crime. But the reality is, people push too hard, get sick (and faint, perhaps even in public), take their medicine, get better. She's a human being. Let's let her be one, even if it's just for a day or two.
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" in true Clinton fashion the cover up turns out to be worse than the crime"
How so, gep? The crime appears to have been evasion of the law that requires government employees to preserve their work product for future inspection by the citizens of this country. The crime appears to have been the setting up and use of an insecure server in a hostile world, and the release of highly sensitive material over that server that endangered our spies and disclosed our drone strike schedule to the enemy, as well as other things so sensitive that even the head of the Congressional Investigating Committee is not allowed to see them. We must suppose that only our enemies are thus qualified to see them, through hacking.
How so, gep? The crime appears to have been evasion of the law that requires government employees to preserve their work product for future inspection by the citizens of this country. The crime appears to have been the setting up and use of an insecure server in a hostile world, and the release of highly sensitive material over that server that endangered our spies and disclosed our drone strike schedule to the enemy, as well as other things so sensitive that even the head of the Congressional Investigating Committee is not allowed to see them. We must suppose that only our enemies are thus qualified to see them, through hacking.
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Enough! Go after Trump's taxes the way you're going after Clinton's every stumble! I want to know what he's hiding and where he really gets his money and whether he pays anything in federal income taxes. I want to know more about his rumored connections to the Mafia in New York and New Jersey. I want you to stay on top of the Trump University litigation. It is lazy so-called journalism to churn and re-churn your opinions on a truly minor event. Get to work, "press"!
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The Clinton's do not have a strong track record on these types of trust issues. There are no Parkinson Disease diagnostics tests that use bio-markers so she has "plausible deniability". The disease is diagnosed from symptoms and some simple cognitive tests. However, if she is currently taking PD drugs like Levodopa for managing tremors and other motor symptoms early in the disease then she is misleading the voter public. We will see.
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Totally unnecessary. "First" is my first in this space.
"And given her reputation, deserved or not, for secrecy and untrustworthiness, delaying revealing the truth was a risky strategy."
Deserved or NOT? The head of the FBI said she was lying. He said she did not supply literally thousands of work-related e mails after saying she had supplied all of them.
No one doubts that she set up a private server in her basement over which she conducted both state and personal business. The only reason for doing this that anyone has suggested was to avoid the Freedom of Information Act. Officials are required by law to preserve their work product for possible later inquiry. Put in its best possible light, the private server would have managed to keep her work product secret, and inaccessible by the public. Indeed, investigators tried for two and a half years to obtain these e mails going through normal FOIA channels; they failed. It was only after they went to court and got a subpoena that many were finally released. Even after the subpoena was served, Hillary continued to destroy the evidence.
Deserved or not? There cannot seriously be any question about that at this stage, unless those who question it do not know the facts.
Deserved or NOT? The head of the FBI said she was lying. He said she did not supply literally thousands of work-related e mails after saying she had supplied all of them.
No one doubts that she set up a private server in her basement over which she conducted both state and personal business. The only reason for doing this that anyone has suggested was to avoid the Freedom of Information Act. Officials are required by law to preserve their work product for possible later inquiry. Put in its best possible light, the private server would have managed to keep her work product secret, and inaccessible by the public. Indeed, investigators tried for two and a half years to obtain these e mails going through normal FOIA channels; they failed. It was only after they went to court and got a subpoena that many were finally released. Even after the subpoena was served, Hillary continued to destroy the evidence.
Deserved or not? There cannot seriously be any question about that at this stage, unless those who question it do not know the facts.
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Hillary Clinton's ailment is only a temporary illness. I have no concerns over this uproar. It's fodder for news but a harmless story about the lack of dignity that exists in this election cycle. I just thought I'd step in to calm down the third grade classroom. Dehydration is a very logical reason for her near collapse. A few glasses of water and she was good as new. Then again, if you want to judge her judgement, I did note that she was overdressed for a hot day in the direct sunlight. All that air conditioning sure can fool you. Do you think that pantsuit was wool? To be continued...............at the supermarket checkout racks.
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More lies. Lies on top of lies. Lies spreading like weeds. After Hillary's umpteenth epic coughing jag on Labor Day, it was allergies, then on Sunday it was overheated, then she's caught on film collapsing, then she hunkers down for an hour or so and emerges all wired and beaming like she'd just been given a shot of something. No mention of pneumonia, no mention of her collapse. This entire episode is a complete fiasco for Hillary.
As for the Basket of Deplorables crack, she has again exposed herself for the ingrown elitist she is. The groundlings are beneath her contempt. Casually throwing around the verbal equivalent of nuclear weapons, words that shut down rational debate before it even starts, the holy pantheon of racist, misogynist, xenophobe, Islamophobe, homophobe, bigot, she insulted, in the most vile terms possible, millions of Americans she has never met. Seems "Stronger Together" is really "Together, or ELSE". She went through the list like a tired, lame mantra. Frankly, it's wearing a bit thin, the labels having been rendered meaningless through egregious overuse. When in doubt, just reel off racist, xenophobe etc, and game over. Now Hillary can't get out of her own way. There's an old saying that you should never give cannonballs to someone who has a cannon pointed at you. Well, Hillary just gave Trump enough ammo to blow her out of the water. If I was him I might be tempted to just sit back and wait for Hillary to implode. Trust me, there is more to come.
As for the Basket of Deplorables crack, she has again exposed herself for the ingrown elitist she is. The groundlings are beneath her contempt. Casually throwing around the verbal equivalent of nuclear weapons, words that shut down rational debate before it even starts, the holy pantheon of racist, misogynist, xenophobe, Islamophobe, homophobe, bigot, she insulted, in the most vile terms possible, millions of Americans she has never met. Seems "Stronger Together" is really "Together, or ELSE". She went through the list like a tired, lame mantra. Frankly, it's wearing a bit thin, the labels having been rendered meaningless through egregious overuse. When in doubt, just reel off racist, xenophobe etc, and game over. Now Hillary can't get out of her own way. There's an old saying that you should never give cannonballs to someone who has a cannon pointed at you. Well, Hillary just gave Trump enough ammo to blow her out of the water. If I was him I might be tempted to just sit back and wait for Hillary to implode. Trust me, there is more to come.
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Oh Please. Trump is a Fool.
Whining about unfairness to white nationalists is not a popular cause in America. Call it what it is.
Whining about unfairness to white nationalists is not a popular cause in America. Call it what it is.
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What the heck is a white nationalist? Please define. I guess it's open season on white people, especially the males ones. Fairness for them....forget it! They don't deserve fairness in your and Hillary's world. Take a bow Kay...you are just as big an elitist as she is. I bet you expect fairness, but of course, you're not a white male.
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Sad, and scary, to think if we'd had constant camera coverage we'd have Hoover presiding over the depression and WWII.
I think most historians would agree we and the world did better being led by a paraplegic that suffered from polio much more than Clinton from whatever ailed her.
I think most historians would agree we and the world did better being led by a paraplegic that suffered from polio much more than Clinton from whatever ailed her.
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Democrats rejected Hillary in 2008 because they rejected her less than progressive domestic political profile and aggressive foreign policy stance.
The Clintons have built a wall of deception and dishonesty that they are known for, brick by brick, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." and the State Department approved my private server.
The current illness issue is not gender bias but Clinton-world fatigue coming home to roost.
The Clintons have built a wall of deception and dishonesty that they are known for, brick by brick, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." and the State Department approved my private server.
The current illness issue is not gender bias but Clinton-world fatigue coming home to roost.
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if the general public expects perfection in a candidate and casts their presidency as failures, let-downs, disappointments--just about every time--who do you think paints that portrait for them? yes, the media. IF we had a set amount of money set aside for elections, candidates would be forced to address issues and not focus on foibles.... IF we had a system by which all adult citizens had to vote and "none of the above" was permitted (and you had to show up at the poll or get a real excuse to get permission to vote online)....IF we all understood that Democracy and Capitalism are not the same or inextricably tied and good for one another.... MEDIA: stop. making. news. get. back. to. real. reporting. #realjournalismisneeded #nowmorethanever
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She felt ill and kept pushing anyway. I do it. You do it. We persevere through discomfort because we have heart and dedication, and we push ourselves to the limit, until we reach it. Grit.
A plus, to be commended and celebrated.
A plus, to be commended and celebrated.
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Hillary did not stumble, but collapsed. Clinton's apologists are trying to trivialize her "medical episode" and minimize the damage it did to the perception that she is up to the presidency, but the long-term effect will be up to those who saw the un-spun video of "helpless Hillary". The image does not easily go away, it will follow her into November. If she has so much as a bad cough or does actually stumble or get help going up stairs, or do another head bobble (that was weird), her campaign may not recover.
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Dan, there may be something to what you say. Napoleon, et al said:
"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
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So, Clinton has to strengthen herself physically and mentally to meet the challenge of this campaign. But I believe that she has to go after Trump's total lack of experience, to the max. He is a zero, with no experience in government, and it shows with every thing he says and does in the campaign.
I think if Clinton cannot take Trump out on experience, Trump wins.
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
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So, Clinton has to strengthen herself physically and mentally to meet the challenge of this campaign. But I believe that she has to go after Trump's total lack of experience, to the max. He is a zero, with no experience in government, and it shows with every thing he says and does in the campaign.
I think if Clinton cannot take Trump out on experience, Trump wins.
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She gave an odd answer to Anderson Cooper tonight when he asked how often this has happened, first she says maybe twice, then "a few times" in her life.
(Not a stumble when your legs give out....):
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/13/hillary-clinton-entire-bee...
(Not a stumble when your legs give out....):
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/13/hillary-clinton-entire-bee...
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She also needs to talk about Trump U and all those credit cards with $35,000 charges for a bogus degree from a bogus university. Trump steaks? And, unpaid contractors who worked on Trump Tower, at his casinos, and now real estate shenanigans in Florida - he bankrupted many small contractors, and walked away. He also bankrupted investors, and walked away. He has now imported Romanians to work in Florida, because Americans might actually sue to get paid, as they are doing in New York.
Outside of a few reporters actually doing their job that I follow on Twitter like Dan Rather, Kurt Eichenwald, Blake Farenthold, and two or three others, I have absolutely come to abhor the American media this election.
Most sad is the NY Times. Seriously. You should have screaming headlines every day about the dangers, the fraud, and the crimes of Donald Trump. Instead there are almost half a dozen articles about Mrs. Clinton and her pneumonia like she's the first candidate in history to get sick.
It is simply infuriating.
Most sad is the NY Times. Seriously. You should have screaming headlines every day about the dangers, the fraud, and the crimes of Donald Trump. Instead there are almost half a dozen articles about Mrs. Clinton and her pneumonia like she's the first candidate in history to get sick.
It is simply infuriating.
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Correction, that should be David Fahrenthold, the Washington Post reporter who has exposed the Trump Foundation for the fraud it really is. @fahrenthold
Blake Farenthold is a Republican congressman from Texas
Blake Farenthold is a Republican congressman from Texas
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there are almost half a dozen articles about Mrs. Clinton and her pneumonia like she's the first candidate in history to get sick.
It is simply infuriating.
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Well, she is the first one to try to cover up and to get caught. The video is damning and the description in this piece is apropos:
" She stumbles a little, wobbles from side to side, then stumbles again and again, each time moving a bit more erratically.
The door of the van is just a few feet away. Inside that door is safety, privacy, a quick escape to her daughter’s home; no one will be the wiser if she can just get to the car. Surely she can make it that far. She is, for better or for worse, Iron Woman, who stumbles but never falls — until she does. She almost disappears from sight as she plunges, her weight supported by the security team around her. Her feet scrape the ground."
It is simply infuriating.
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Well, she is the first one to try to cover up and to get caught. The video is damning and the description in this piece is apropos:
" She stumbles a little, wobbles from side to side, then stumbles again and again, each time moving a bit more erratically.
The door of the van is just a few feet away. Inside that door is safety, privacy, a quick escape to her daughter’s home; no one will be the wiser if she can just get to the car. Surely she can make it that far. She is, for better or for worse, Iron Woman, who stumbles but never falls — until she does. She almost disappears from sight as she plunges, her weight supported by the security team around her. Her feet scrape the ground."
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Yes, of course. How dare the NYT publish stories about the poor health of a Presidential candidate, and the efforts of her campaign to cover it up. If the NYT really had any journalistic integrity, it would publish only stories that support your candidate.
That's your real complaint, isn't it?
That's your real complaint, isn't it?
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Hillary stumbles because she's ill---cats and dogs living together man the barricades! Trump stumbles because he's a racist---is Mexico really going to pay for the wall? Utterly ridiculous how Trump is held to no standard.
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They say that Hillary was just preparing to assume her next position as the spokesperson for Medic Alert. I've fallen and can't get up!
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Well, if she does not make it to WH this time, nobody will give her those big bucks for 'speaking' and she might consider 'fallen and can't get up' commercial roles. She might even team up with Martha and start baking cookies like she never wanted to.
This woman is deplorable.
This woman is deplorable.
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What's the big deal! once in a while we all fall sick, get treated, recover, and move on.
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The issue is not that she got sick; the real issue is that she tried to cover it up and got caught with her shoe off her foot while falling. Big difference.
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That is a big difference, but it is nothing compared to Trump's lack of transparency about his business interests, his policies, his ties to Russia, and just about everything else. The only thing clear about him is his ignorance, which is staggering.
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We usually prize medical confidentiality in our society, and that should extend at least to some extent to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as citizens and individuals. And as far as demonstrating their physical fitness to serve, I can't think of a more rigorous proving ground than a brutal 18 month campaign.
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Hillary's political life proves "life is not fair." The times that we have lived for last three decades have proved, you can make a monster out of a human being who just happens to be a politician.
I wish all of us would look ourselves in the mirror and ask, am I better than Hillary or Trump?
I wish all of us would look ourselves in the mirror and ask, am I better than Hillary or Trump?
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Probably not, but "all of us" aren't running for president.
Yet another instance of The Perils of Hillary straining toward the White House. Lots of people get pneumonia, deal with it without obfuscation, and resume their normal lives.
Did anyone notice, and does anyone remember that John Kerry dealt with prostate cancer while running for president?
But Clinton, characteristically, obfuscates and conceals and in the process increases her negatives with the electorate, and confirms increasing doubt about her judgment.
What can be done? Will we really be left with choice between Trump and Clinton in November? Is "democracy" that bankrupt?
Did anyone notice, and does anyone remember that John Kerry dealt with prostate cancer while running for president?
But Clinton, characteristically, obfuscates and conceals and in the process increases her negatives with the electorate, and confirms increasing doubt about her judgment.
What can be done? Will we really be left with choice between Trump and Clinton in November? Is "democracy" that bankrupt?
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I cannot "wince" and I do not feel sorry for her. She could have elected to tell the truth; she could have (maybe) elected to say she had a cold, she could have elected to say she had the flu. But no, she elected to tell the Clintonian lie, the Clintonian attempt to hide the truth. This woman will never change....
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She said she had allergies and they were being difficult before this because that was the truth. People like you refuse to hear it.
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NSH, and she also once said that she had turned over all of her work emails. Lying to a Clinton is like breathing to the rest of humanity.
A campaigning politician is unusually more exposed to respiratory infections because of the need, even though quite unhygienic, to shake hands with hundreds of people on a daily basis. So Mrs.Clinton, who otherwise probably lives in super healthy environments, nevertheless, is subject to catching diseases from (dirty) glad handing. No wonder she came down with pneumonia.
Mrs Clinton is younger than Mr. Trump. It is Trump's health, especially mental health, that I would be much more concerned about. The kind of fibs and the 4-pinocchio lies he tells, and the indecent unvarnished, and derogatory language and wild accusations he uses about his opponents shows an unsophisticated, if not unsound, mind. How is a blunderbuss like him likely to function in the oval office?
Mrs Clinton is younger than Mr. Trump. It is Trump's health, especially mental health, that I would be much more concerned about. The kind of fibs and the 4-pinocchio lies he tells, and the indecent unvarnished, and derogatory language and wild accusations he uses about his opponents shows an unsophisticated, if not unsound, mind. How is a blunderbuss like him likely to function in the oval office?
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i'm just waiting to hear what special favors the medical community is waiting for to keep Mrs. Clinton's medical records confidential. I don't think anyone has the right to see anyone else's. Is she making deals with the devil?
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Presumably she (and Trump) will waive their rights to keep their medical records confidential. If they don't, presumably their physicians won't release the records.
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Your comment contradicts itself. If you think no one has the right to see anyone else's records, why do you think doctors are doing her a special favor by keeping her records private?
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From time to time, I've fallen ill and haven't informed my co-workers. Sometimes, they find out. I've also become dehydrated a couple of times and had dizzy spells. Surprisingly, my co-workers and friends and clients don't believe that these incidence disqualify me from work, reflect a mental or emotional defect or otherwise believe that they are part of a "pattern" of issues in my life. They instead wish me good health and happiness, and life goes on.
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As a Trump supporter I sincerely hope that that Hillary's condition is not life threatening, the world would be less interesting without her. She is simply not qualified to be President of the United States. She should voluntarily back out.
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Compared to Mr. Trump? She is far more qualified. She has experience. She understands the basics of how government and the world works. He doesn't even get how the fed runs.
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I won't comment on the health issue, as my fellow readers have covered the issue.
But Hillary's statement about Trumps followers is frustrating.
She could have used all those nasty words to describe Trump himself, and his message. The implication, of course, is that no one believes his sickening nonsense, but if they do... !
However, I don't think it will matter, because Trump's extreme followers will never leave him no matter what he says. And undecided voters will not flock to Trump as a result.
Why is it frustrating? Because she missed an opportunity to once again brand him as a phony who manipulates fear, ignorance, and hatred.
But Hillary's statement about Trumps followers is frustrating.
She could have used all those nasty words to describe Trump himself, and his message. The implication, of course, is that no one believes his sickening nonsense, but if they do... !
However, I don't think it will matter, because Trump's extreme followers will never leave him no matter what he says. And undecided voters will not flock to Trump as a result.
Why is it frustrating? Because she missed an opportunity to once again brand him as a phony who manipulates fear, ignorance, and hatred.
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Ooh it's Stumblegate! And no one say the "n" word, pneumonia...
You people are media addicts. A sick lady is not a conspiracy no matter how many tweets and Facebook posts you read. Let this sick lady get better and shut up already.
You people are media addicts. A sick lady is not a conspiracy no matter how many tweets and Facebook posts you read. Let this sick lady get better and shut up already.
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I would vote for Hillary Clinton against Trump even if she were comatose (Tim Kaine would be infinitely better than Trump), but it was just plain dumb to conceal her illness and try and finesse it. Trying to conceal it plays right into the opposition's claim that she's deceptive and not forthcoming. Trying to finesse pneumonia at her age (I know because I'm almost her age) is taking a huge health risk. Both show really poor judgment, and if anyone advised her that was the way to go, they should collect their severance and disappear. If it was her idea, she needs to stop and think next time. No reason to give ammunition to the other side, when it can be avoided.
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Given a choice to be honest or tell a lie, as usual, she choose to lie.
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In the photo presented with this story, where she is waving and trying to smile, she looks red faced and sick. And the look on the face of the agent standing next to her says it all. One of the reader comments mentioned how much Obama aged in eight years in office. She already looks aged.
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The Secret Service? They always look like that.
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"It seems unlikely that Donald Trump has familiarized himself with Susan Sontag’s “Illness as Metaphor,”"...
I would say there is a 0% chance he has read it. Finally, something I like about Trump.
I would say there is a 0% chance he has read it. Finally, something I like about Trump.
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I would happily gargle ground glass before voting for anyone other than Clinton.
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With ya.
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And if you did gargle ground glass, the Clinton campaign would say that everything is fine; you just had a sore throat.
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A stumble -- to say that she didn't want to stay at home and bake cookies?! Come on. Enough with this. Why does she, because she is a woman, have to be sensitive to every nook and cranny of her constituency? She's a Yale Law Graduate, and that's right, she will not be spending her days making cookies. And if the cookie-makers of the world find this offensive, so be it. Do you want the male candidates to apologize for not pitching hay?
When will this endless denunciation of a woman's reach for power and command cease?
When will this endless denunciation of a woman's reach for power and command cease?
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I'm not sure where all this is going. The release of a complete medical record could be incredibly complicated. What happens if a candidate was on an antidepressant or anxiolytic, even for a short period of time, during a stressful period of their life? I have a feeling the other candidate's henchmen would run with it. How far back do you need to see the medical records? Is a statement from a physician who has known a 68 and 70 year patient for 5 or 10 years sufficient?
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"The release of a complete medical record could be incredibly complicated."
Not really. You just waive your confidentiality right, and some administrative person copies the records and sends the copies to whomever you specify. Pretty straightforward.
Not really. You just waive your confidentiality right, and some administrative person copies the records and sends the copies to whomever you specify. Pretty straightforward.
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In the "Old" Roman Empire, Jesus of Nazareth also stumbled while being mocked by the Romans. Trump is the Caesar of the present Day Roman Empire aspiring to become Emperor.
Did you know there are three Caesar's Palaces in the New Roman Empire. I'll bet Trump knows.
Did you know there are three Caesar's Palaces in the New Roman Empire. I'll bet Trump knows.
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Let us all remember that Ronald Regan was completely incapacitated in his final years in office. He was, literally, propped up and fed his lines. All of this was kept from the American public. Hilliary is receiving great medical care and will, most likely, be able to carry on and become the next President. And she is not hiding anything from us. She is a very smart lady and will not do anything to harm herself or the country.
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Nice line, if only it was true... Dr. Jonathan Altman, writing in this very newspaper says there was no evidence of any change in mental abilities during the Reagan Presidency. They analyzed 8 years of videotaped speeches. The rest of us saw Hillary's video yesterday. When you don't have any facts, you can't just make them up. Bah.
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Ronald Reagan left the White House with the early onset of Alzheimers. Alzheimers takes a while to develop; he had it before he left office. Nancy ran the White House, and those of us who lived in D.C. and worked for political law firms and agencies knew Reagan has a problem.
Pleeezzeee, Hillary. I backed you when the health insurance grifters, strike that...I mean, when the Health Insurance Industry shills in the Senate and House went after you, and you flattened them in hearings with your wicked wonkishness, yes, I backed you...and backed you through the slow-motion coup called the Henry Hyde (I did it, too!) Impeachment Hearings, and backed you at every mention and move made against you and Bill by the vast right-wing conspiracy organized by Scaife and Robertson and the rest...yes, we backed you, I backed you, but now, Hillary, not only little ole me but the entire country, strike that...the whole free world needs you to get well soon, as they say, and get back up (as you always do), and most of all, dear Hillary, we need you to get up AND GET THE DONALD!!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
The American Electorate
Sincerely,
The American Electorate
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Speak for yourself.
Clinton could release a medical report every day for the rest of her life and the haters would charge that it's doctored up. It's what they did with Obama's birth certificate.
It's what right wing propaganda in this country does: plants doubt to the extent that its true believers are coated in it.
Signed,
A woman in a binder bleeding from her "wherever"
It's what right wing propaganda in this country does: plants doubt to the extent that its true believers are coated in it.
Signed,
A woman in a binder bleeding from her "wherever"
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Clinton could release 100 bleached emails every day for the rest of her life and we'd still be lacking 95% of them.
Signed,
A woman who has advanced degrees, married a republican Hispanic attorney, and is still a "Deplorable", according to Hillary and her supporters
Signed,
A woman who has advanced degrees, married a republican Hispanic attorney, and is still a "Deplorable", according to Hillary and her supporters
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OK, Trump is a jerk. Does that mean that Hillary did not collapse and then lie about it until the video came out?
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I do not think an episode of pneumonia is important. A life long pattern of lying first when the truth would serve better is all important. Categorically disqualifying in my opinion. I refuse to be blackmailed into choosing between utterly unqualified candidates. I will vote for Johnson. The guild for whatever consequences ensue fall upon the establishment for not giving me otherwise acceptable choices.
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How sad it is that Hillary can't be open about her 'bad cold' like every other human. To me, that speaks to the maliciousness and 'conspiracies' that she's subjected to. Trump's crocodile tears are revolting!
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just yesterday I got a bit woozy, I saw the sparkles that shoot through your eyes just before you faint, I wondered what would happen if I slumped over right then and there with no one around. I had been pushing my body to it's absolute physical limits yesterday for fun -exercise.
I can only imagine Hillary "as an aging person" keeping such a demanding schedule. Always a camera on her as she jets from one engagement to another. I can only imagine forgetting to sit down and rest, eat properly, and drink as much water as you can. I guess the average "arm chair american" doesn't keep up such a physically demanding daily life.
I can only imagine Hillary "as an aging person" keeping such a demanding schedule. Always a camera on her as she jets from one engagement to another. I can only imagine forgetting to sit down and rest, eat properly, and drink as much water as you can. I guess the average "arm chair american" doesn't keep up such a physically demanding daily life.
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Still waiting for an explanation on why she wears strange looking blue sunglasses on a morning when nobody is wearing any type of sunglasses. And it's not the pneumonia.
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Sunglasses hide tired, blood-shot eyes. I'm not sure what other mystery you think sunglasses are hiding unless she is smoking a lot of dope nowadays.
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Because bright lights can trigger seizures.
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Very strange color of blue, wouldn't you say. I rarely see that color. You need to do a little research.
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Illness does not create a personality flaw but the way one decides to handle an illness illuminates one's personality. The choice to hide it or not hide it. If Mrs. Clinton had announced on Friday she had a minor illness that nearly everyone on earth contracts, it is a not a problem. Take a few days off, and get well. But she decided to press on, certainly admirable but a poor judgment call. Hiding and secrecy make this in to a self-made mountain. Whatever we know, we believe there is more to any story regarding Mrs. Clinton. Call it trained perception or call it bias, either is acceptable. When people are not told the whole truth, well, we tend to fill in the blanks and it usually is a negative editing. This episode, like many before now begs the familiar question; can she ever be straight with us about anything?
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For me, it's not so much a health issue, although it is a small bit. For me the problem is her frame of mind, what her behavior now implies about what her term in office would be like. To me it seems like she would treat all but an inner circle like an enemy and a conspirator. I'm just so tired of this whole Clinton soap opera. What a really disgusting choice. Maybe a third party candidate...
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Because she doesn't tell people she's sick that's treating people like enemies. Oh, please, have you seen the coverage. That this is a scandal tells it all.
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Can we please let all of this go? This is ridiculous.
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Why is it ridiculous? She is continuing to prove herself unfit.
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30+ years and this is all the "stumbling" Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton did while under the press magnifying glass? What a woman!!!
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There was that time when she got a concussion from a fall in 2012. There was the broken elbow from a fall in 2009. There was the stairs in incident in January, and the stairs required to get into an SUV that the Secret Service carries for her.
This doesn't preclude her from being president, but you should adjust your spectacles if you think this is the secretary's first public issue with self ambulation.
This doesn't preclude her from being president, but you should adjust your spectacles if you think this is the secretary's first public issue with self ambulation.
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Because women in high heels never have trouble on icy steps in Jan. Please.
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Hillary hasn't worn high heels in about 30 years
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Please with this already. Roosevelt suffered from polio, JFK from Addison's disease, Reagan was definitely affected by the early onset of Alzheimer's, G.H.W. Bush barfed all over the Japanese Prime Minister and Churchill drank, smoked stogies and had strokes but carried on until 1955! Each of these men fulfilled their duties.
The news media in its various forms and manifestations and Hillary's opposition in theirs are becoming laughable Chicken Littles. Will headlines be made if it's discovered that she occasionally sneezes!? No wonder she is wary of "transparency" and covets her privacy. She has been turned inside out for 25 years. I'm more surprised that she even wants to bother struggling to offer this crazy country her leadership. It fills me with wonder and not a little gratitude.
The news media in its various forms and manifestations and Hillary's opposition in theirs are becoming laughable Chicken Littles. Will headlines be made if it's discovered that she occasionally sneezes!? No wonder she is wary of "transparency" and covets her privacy. She has been turned inside out for 25 years. I'm more surprised that she even wants to bother struggling to offer this crazy country her leadership. It fills me with wonder and not a little gratitude.
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You have a much better chance of dying from pneumonia that you do of getting shot in this country. I am worried about her and she is in my thoughts and prayers. I, for one, hope she survives as does everyone she exposed to this communicable disease after she was diagnosed and before she came clean.
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The woman lied about this. Like she has lied about everything else. Catch her in a lie and she will tell you another. She never much cared if she got caught because she knows that the partisans love her so much they will vote for her no matter what. I wouldn't vote fir her if you paid. She is a liar and she is corrupt. Vote for her and you get 4 more years of America for sale.
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I'm going to do everything I can to help this "liar" get elected.
Are we really bashing candidates for not reading Susan Sontag now?
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We had put such a herculean and punishing demands, both physical and mental, on our presidential candidates that even taking a time off to rest for illness, which we all take for granted, is considered a weakness. Hillary Clinton continue to work despite an illness and was afraid to be considered weak. It is not just what it says about Hillary Clinton, but about all of us and our heartless and inhuman process of electing our president stripped of all dignity.
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Oh, for God's sake. Cut her some slack. Bush Sr. puked on a guy's shoes. Roosevelt was incredibly protected by his family and staff; the man could not walk. JFK took an vast amount of drugs for Addison's and Regan had dementia long before he was out of office. Nancy had to whisper things in his ear, so that he'd behave appropriately. I can totally get inside Clinton's mind. I'm sure she wanted to weep when she got the diagnosis. After the GOP and Alt-Right folks have been spreading conspiracy theories for months, she gets pneumonia! Anyone who is told to "stay hydrated" knows that that means you're always looking for a ladies' room. She has already been shamed for that. She probably had a fever, was on big, broad-spectrum antibiotics and was exhausted. My father fell over from pneumonia and the EMS guys broke the door down, as he couldn't get up! Bill Clinton said it at his convention speech - "She never ever gives up!" She was determined to go to the 9/11 ceremonies, as she was very important to NYC when it happened. Was it a wrong call. Yes, in hindsight. In her determined mind, she thought she could make it through. Let's look kindly on this, forgive her for her mistake and let her get well in peace. You're allowed some sick days. At least she takes them when she's rightfully SICK. How many of us can say that?
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Are any of the people you mentioned running for president?
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I would like to see the first responders and firemen and policemen campaigning for Hillary Clinton; she got the medical benefits they were entitled to from the 9/11 event, because she fought a Republican Congress which did not want to give those men medical care. She was there when they needed her; where are they now?
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EinT - none of us knows whether we'll be alive tomorrow. There are no guarantees. We'd be lucky if Hillary was in office for a few months, actually - considering the alternate possibility of a Trump presidency. It would be a few months of incredibly focused, hard work, that's for sure. The woman is the Energizer Bunny.
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How much time have we wasted on the email scandal and now this health issue? From Matt Lauer's disastrous "national security forum" where he spent 1/3 of his time interrogating Clinton on her email to this faux health scandal, it is unbelievable how much time the media spends on issues that are, frankly, not that important.
Why don't they focus on the fact that one of the two candidates is manifestly unqualified for the position and that he has released even less health and financial information than Clinton?
If Trump wins, it will be because the American people were made to believe that improper handling of emails was on the same level as failing to understand why we don't use nuclear weapons, why stumbling on a hot day while sick was akin to calling entire classes of people racists and terrorists.
Why don't they focus on the fact that one of the two candidates is manifestly unqualified for the position and that he has released even less health and financial information than Clinton?
If Trump wins, it will be because the American people were made to believe that improper handling of emails was on the same level as failing to understand why we don't use nuclear weapons, why stumbling on a hot day while sick was akin to calling entire classes of people racists and terrorists.
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It is the Democrats who call entire classes of people racists. And Trump never said all Muslims were terrorists. He wants to vet them properly before letting any in. The same thing our President refuses to do.
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Please add to that a pending lawsuit regarding bogus $35,000 degrees issued by a bogus Trump U. Poor people and old people were conned into giving Trump U their credit cards. And, all those contractors still unpaid for jobs completed on Trump Tower? If 49% of Americans want to put a grifter into the White House, the rest of us have to work hard to make that not happen.
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Dumbocrat lunacy? HRC is being held to an "impossible standard?" How about a pretty simple one. Tell the truth for once in your life. Does anyone west of the Hudson River believe anything she or her campaign minions say anymore? Pneumonia? Right. Is the bridge to Brooklyn still for sale?
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We should be wincing every time we see another article that is NOT about any on of these things:
1. The economy, stupid.
2. Don't forget about healthcare
3. National Security
4. Human and civil rights
5. Climate change, pollution, and other risks factors for all living things
Change vs more of the same talk of image and identity politics.
1. The economy, stupid.
2. Don't forget about healthcare
3. National Security
4. Human and civil rights
5. Climate change, pollution, and other risks factors for all living things
Change vs more of the same talk of image and identity politics.
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Exactly all good reasons to NOT vote for Hillary Clinton.
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Never has the weight of the world weighed so much upon the shoulders of a single woman -- that is the silent gasp America heard itself make as she lost her balance for a moment in time.
The realpolitik of this political calculus is quite simple; Trump is likely to lose; Clinton is likely to win, and the idea of her being sick made real, for the briefest of moments, just how close we are to the brink of absurdity itself.
Not that America has any great love affair with Hillary Clinton or her husband, it is simply that it is more scared of the alternative. And for her to show any weakness at all is enough for the world to hold its breath in collective horror. The mere possibility -- a real "what if?" - took shape.
A scary thought indeed - more than just a wince.
The realpolitik of this political calculus is quite simple; Trump is likely to lose; Clinton is likely to win, and the idea of her being sick made real, for the briefest of moments, just how close we are to the brink of absurdity itself.
Not that America has any great love affair with Hillary Clinton or her husband, it is simply that it is more scared of the alternative. And for her to show any weakness at all is enough for the world to hold its breath in collective horror. The mere possibility -- a real "what if?" - took shape.
A scary thought indeed - more than just a wince.
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You're missing the point:
"...my male husband tells me that the candidate's health has been an issue in the past... with... FDR."
Voters don't discriminate based on gender here. If Trump had had a 3-minute coughing fit, or had left a 9/11 memorial early and passed out as he was getting into a van, I'd be very curious too. Voters don't ask for much regarding a candidate's health -- just that the candidate will be alive and healthy to carry out his or her duties if elected. If the candidate passes out and collapses, or gives no explanation, or gives an explanation that sounds a bit questionable, voters get suspicious, whether the candidate is male or female.
Simple as that.
"...my male husband tells me that the candidate's health has been an issue in the past... with... FDR."
Voters don't discriminate based on gender here. If Trump had had a 3-minute coughing fit, or had left a 9/11 memorial early and passed out as he was getting into a van, I'd be very curious too. Voters don't ask for much regarding a candidate's health -- just that the candidate will be alive and healthy to carry out his or her duties if elected. If the candidate passes out and collapses, or gives no explanation, or gives an explanation that sounds a bit questionable, voters get suspicious, whether the candidate is male or female.
Simple as that.
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Garbage My. Donald has released nothing, nothing of consequence. How would you know what he is doing
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I am much more suspicious of the lack of Trump tax records; which Russian oligarchs loaned him money when American and European banks refused him loans; his casinos and real estate ventures were failing; he needed money; the Russians gave it to him. Those loans/payments will show up in his tax records; and, those records will show why Putin is his BFF.
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Remind your husband that FDR suffered from polio when young; he walked on crutches and with a cane; he finally ended in a wheelchair. He and Churchill saved Western Democracies from Hitler; he traveled to Europe to meet with Churchill and Stalin. He gave Americans Social Security. He created the TVA which gave the South electricity. Not bad for a man in a wheel chair.
It's official.
When anyone who isn't a white male runs for POTUS, it means proving one's self ten times more.
In this case, if women want to break the ultimate glass ceiling, they'd better, to paraphrase that famous quote, do it backwards and in high heels perfectly, or they aren't worthy of the office at all.
Meanwhile, white male candidates and presidents can say and do whatever they want, without scrutiny or much consequence. They can even lie the nation into a trumped-up "war," yet the female senator who votes to authorize funding according to those lies gets blamed for that war.
Such ugly hypocrisy is a fact of this country, born of Obama's presidency and Clinton's candidacy.
When anyone who isn't a white male runs for POTUS, it means proving one's self ten times more.
In this case, if women want to break the ultimate glass ceiling, they'd better, to paraphrase that famous quote, do it backwards and in high heels perfectly, or they aren't worthy of the office at all.
Meanwhile, white male candidates and presidents can say and do whatever they want, without scrutiny or much consequence. They can even lie the nation into a trumped-up "war," yet the female senator who votes to authorize funding according to those lies gets blamed for that war.
Such ugly hypocrisy is a fact of this country, born of Obama's presidency and Clinton's candidacy.
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If Donald Trump had crumpled like Hillary Clinton crumpled (she did not stumble), the media would be all over it. Stop blaming Hillary Clinton's problems on the fact hat she is a woman. If the Republicans had a Margaret Thatcher, she would be supported by all the people the liberals think can't stand the idea of a woman president.
Her gender has nothing to do about it. It's all about her.
Her gender has nothing to do about it. It's all about her.
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Actually, Joseph, gender is a sociological concept,so you mean her sex, as in, biological sex.
CMS is right, but you miss the point, of course.
Clinton was berated for not smiling enough at the recent commander-in-chief forum. Did anyone ask the same about Don? Nope.
Clinton has released far more details about her health than has Trump, who eats a steady diet of fast food. Has anyone questioned why his doctor's single paragraph of approval, lacking any detail whatsoever, doesn't have blood pressure and cholesterol levels? Nope. Are his supporters curious? Nope.
Clinton has a foundation for which there is no evidence of a quid-pro-quo regarding its donors but the GOP still shrieks foul and the media gives a daily play-by-play. Trump donates to the campaign of Pam Bondi, who then drops Florida's lawsuit against Trump U. Where's the investigation or even the conversation about it? Nowhere, that's where.
Sanders bellows, and that's okay. Clinton shouts, and she's told to turn off her mic.
But her sex has nothing to do with it. Brother, please.
CMS is right, but you miss the point, of course.
Clinton was berated for not smiling enough at the recent commander-in-chief forum. Did anyone ask the same about Don? Nope.
Clinton has released far more details about her health than has Trump, who eats a steady diet of fast food. Has anyone questioned why his doctor's single paragraph of approval, lacking any detail whatsoever, doesn't have blood pressure and cholesterol levels? Nope. Are his supporters curious? Nope.
Clinton has a foundation for which there is no evidence of a quid-pro-quo regarding its donors but the GOP still shrieks foul and the media gives a daily play-by-play. Trump donates to the campaign of Pam Bondi, who then drops Florida's lawsuit against Trump U. Where's the investigation or even the conversation about it? Nowhere, that's where.
Sanders bellows, and that's okay. Clinton shouts, and she's told to turn off her mic.
But her sex has nothing to do with it. Brother, please.
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I just saw the piece on CBS about Clintons’ health and her deplorables comment.
Trump was very good with his delayed response to the deplorables mess. Probably the very first time he has shown an adult thinking side. But he is also hoist on his own petard.
By being so clear, and being so rational and using what she said like an adult would, he has given away his own game. He has shewn us that he knows full well what he is saying when he says it.
Until now he has been able to befuddle people enough to prevent them from deciding he really is doing what he is accused of.
He has now revealed that he is not the personality he portrays but rather a smart calculating man who’s aw shucks bluntness and pandering to base emoting is a demagogue’s front.
Trump was very good with his delayed response to the deplorables mess. Probably the very first time he has shown an adult thinking side. But he is also hoist on his own petard.
By being so clear, and being so rational and using what she said like an adult would, he has given away his own game. He has shewn us that he knows full well what he is saying when he says it.
Until now he has been able to befuddle people enough to prevent them from deciding he really is doing what he is accused of.
He has now revealed that he is not the personality he portrays but rather a smart calculating man who’s aw shucks bluntness and pandering to base emoting is a demagogue’s front.
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We all have allergies, get sinus infections, feel dizzy in crowded and warm places. The 24/7 press that reports incessant nonsense has gone bonkers. I can't wait for it to have a massive stroke from which it will never recover.
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This is the same old thing. The media is obsessed with trivia over substance and alwas, always, always, demands more of Hillary CLinton than of DOnald Trump. That's what they call "fair and balanced".
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Of course the media is making a circus out of a relatively common ailment. Get a life, people.
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Where's the focus on Donald Trump's health records? He's getting away with an obviously fraudulent "doctor's letter."
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Fraudulent would be saying you are overheated.
Mr. Trump produced a letter. It was written by a doctor. The doctor is his doctor. It contains his opinions.
The only thing obvious is Hillary was on the campaign trail on Friday, in Pennsylvania. Her doctor works in Mt. Kisco NY. Exactly how was the diagnosis made, telepathy?
Mr. Trump produced a letter. It was written by a doctor. The doctor is his doctor. It contains his opinions.
The only thing obvious is Hillary was on the campaign trail on Friday, in Pennsylvania. Her doctor works in Mt. Kisco NY. Exactly how was the diagnosis made, telepathy?
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He'll be on national TV with Dr. Oz on Thursday discussing his health records. Stay tuned.
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The doctor's opinion was that Trump's health was "astonishing"; the healthiest man to ever run for President. Actually, the opinion was written by Trump on a blank prescription pad given him by the "doctor".
Found the voice of this piece a little too familiar at a time when the country could use more dispassionate perspectives.
For example, why the unquestioned acceptance of the campaign's explanation of pneumonia? If this election has taught us anything, it's scrutinize both these candidates without letting your guard down. I doubt HRC has anything that isn't at least manageable... still, I don't feel so compelled to believe something her campaign tells us only when they are compelled to tell us something.
For example, why the unquestioned acceptance of the campaign's explanation of pneumonia? If this election has taught us anything, it's scrutinize both these candidates without letting your guard down. I doubt HRC has anything that isn't at least manageable... still, I don't feel so compelled to believe something her campaign tells us only when they are compelled to tell us something.
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It really doesn't matter what you believe, DZ. A fair number of like posters still believe that Obama wasn't born in this country. and this was after a widely published birth certificate. Even if those people could read the big words, I doubt that they would believe medical records.
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Those who have not experienced weakness, lightheadedness and fatigue, please raise your hand.
Thought so!
Thought so!
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Those who have not experienced the total collapse of their body, becoming dead weight, tripping over a curb, having to be rescued by two big guys, and being stuffed in a vehicle. Please raise your hand.
Thought so!
Thought so!
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Those who have been on the campaign trail for months, slept in unfamiliar beds most nights, shaken thousands upon thousands of germ-laden hands, hugged almost as many while posing for "selfies", been shamed for going to the bathroom so don't drink enough, have had crowds of people screaming, "Lock her up!," have had new conspiracy theories printed about them on a daily basis, have endured public insults that no male politician has ever experienced, are 68 and determined to go to an important event even with a fever, having just taken many antibiotics, have attempted to interact with people as if you don't have pneumonia, have stood in the heat with a bullet-proof vest, please raise your hand.
Thought so!
Thought so!
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Seems like few have gotten the gist of my comment. Most anyone over 15 years of age has experienced fatigue, dizziness and weak legs. Move on....
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As long as she has a beating pulse, I'm voting for her. Not exactly a Hillary fan; just don't want "that other one" in office. Any office.
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Just as long ash she has a beating pulse, she will remain a conniving, lying, evidence-destroying, corrupt candidate who has proven herself to be completely indifferent to our national security by using for her work a private insecure server she intentionally set up in her own basement when she could have been using both the secure e mail system provided to her by the government and secure Blackberries that were offered to her by staff, according to their own testimony.
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The server she used was Colin Powell's server; he also refused to use a State Dept. server. The State Dept. server was hacked more than once, and Congress never funded real security for those servers. There was no secure e-mail system. No one uses Blackberries.
Heck I'd vote for her over Trump even if she didn't have a pulse.
A basket of deplorables!
Hillary knew it was monumentally out of bounds before she said it followed by a litany of xxxphobics as examples.
She announced it , “…to just be grossly generalistic….” She knew it was hugely over the top — and then did it with verve. It ranks as the stupidest thing I have ever heard from HRC. Cagy is one thing, stupid is not something I never thought she was.
So to the stumble both by Hillary and her staff. She just does not seem to be able to get over trying to damage control everything. One wonders how she could ever be trusted as presidentto be genuinely candid with the American people?
The Donald is deplorable. She could have said that with an almost endless arsenal of examples without any credible broad condemnation. The fiasco that is this election has obviously taken a significant toll on candidate Clinton.
I hope she recovers splendidly in every regard — to default to Trump would be a tragedy for America.
We have never had perfect for president, we never will.
Hillary knew it was monumentally out of bounds before she said it followed by a litany of xxxphobics as examples.
She announced it , “…to just be grossly generalistic….” She knew it was hugely over the top — and then did it with verve. It ranks as the stupidest thing I have ever heard from HRC. Cagy is one thing, stupid is not something I never thought she was.
So to the stumble both by Hillary and her staff. She just does not seem to be able to get over trying to damage control everything. One wonders how she could ever be trusted as presidentto be genuinely candid with the American people?
The Donald is deplorable. She could have said that with an almost endless arsenal of examples without any credible broad condemnation. The fiasco that is this election has obviously taken a significant toll on candidate Clinton.
I hope she recovers splendidly in every regard — to default to Trump would be a tragedy for America.
We have never had perfect for president, we never will.
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"You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need 0h yeah"
I think Trump has been saying the same thing since day-one @G.Sears, well... maybe not the 'tragedy' bit... the rest, sure-fine. The 'deplorables' are those who profit from their position, when that position is at the pleasure of the people, and when that position exists to serve. Democrats need to accept that (like it or not) Donald Trump may be the best thing to happen to the democratic party since, whenever, or from her whatever... the longer term might just be good for our democracy. One word... corruption.
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need 0h yeah"
I think Trump has been saying the same thing since day-one @G.Sears, well... maybe not the 'tragedy' bit... the rest, sure-fine. The 'deplorables' are those who profit from their position, when that position is at the pleasure of the people, and when that position exists to serve. Democrats need to accept that (like it or not) Donald Trump may be the best thing to happen to the democratic party since, whenever, or from her whatever... the longer term might just be good for our democracy. One word... corruption.
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It's not rocket science, it's microbiology. Secretary Clinton shakes many, many hands per day and no doubt cuddles babies (maybe even her own grandchildren). Infections spread through contact. Mr. Trump limits shaking hands on the campaign trail, and in fact for many years would not make contact at all through handshakes for fear of infection. On the presidential election scale, they're both on the older side, and at that age there is always wear and tear. As best anyone can tell, they see doctors for upkeep. Enough said.
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I am voting for Hillary, but can't help but ask myself the following question: There are over 300 million Americans and Hillary and Trump are the best options we can come up with? Really????? I was equally appalled when Gary Johnson didn't know what Aleppo was.
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Okay, this time it is the Obamas' fault. We've been spoiled by their vim and vigor that has known no equal in the White House. There will be no tango scandal for Hillary or Donald.
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John and Jackie Kennedy? For him the word vigor was very popular and apt. The thing they have in common, of course, is they were all relatively young.
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Perhaps the NYT readers haven't realized yet that Trump is going to be our next president.
Keep the hope alive I guess.
Keep the hope alive I guess.
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No, he will not be the next President. And, you might want to look at England's leadership: Thatcher; Blair; Cameron? The U.S. certainly kept Britain's hope alive during WWII and after.
Not sure what the issue is about her health. Did not read article. I would vote for Clinton if she was on her death bed.
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Clinton needs to have her secret service detail replace after the way the man handled her, when she stumbled and lost her shoe. They over reacted, by tackling her and tossing her in the van, has made this way bigger then it should have been. They would have at least picked up their grandmothers shoe if she would have lost her shoe.
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FDR was a pretty good President.
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Woodrow Wilson wasn't.
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FDR was a great President; he gave old people Social Security so they would not be left to the mercy of corporations who retired them with no pensions or benefits. FDR also created the TVA which brought electricity to the deep South. FDR took us through a World War, until the very end when he was gravely ill. His Fireside Chats gave Americans hope for the future under his leadership. He was a great President, known all over the world, with Churchill. Democracies were threatened all over the world by a psychopath, Hitler; FDR and Churchill stepped up and brought people with them into what Churchill called the "sunny uplands".
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The author writes, "we now know what it was (her illness)" That is not true. We now know what her campaign claims it was. The author writes, Hillary called some portion of Trumps supporters by a term noxious and offensive. That is not true. Hillary condemned 50 % of Trumps supporters. That's more than a portion. This unforced remark is the most telling this year about HRC and her fellow neo-liberal Democratic snobs. (I vote Democrat each election. This will be, by far, my hardest vote in 4 decades.)
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"unforced" evidently is new favorite word from the reffit crowd. Personally I think thatthe number is closer to 90%
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This lady has the best health care in the world available to her . This shows the sad side to the way things are today . The idea of a Madame President just doesn't have the spark that it should this time . Too bad.
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Hillary had a private, personal server.
In the Nineties, she said, "I could have just stayed home and baked cookies."
The U.N. ambassador, Susan Rice, said the Benghazi attack 'was a direct result of a "heinous and offensive video", and was spontaneous, not pre-planned, and qualified her remarks about the attack, saying, "We'll want to see the results of [an FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions."'
Hillary gave talks at big corporations, for a lot of money, some of which she gave to charity.
She tried, and failed, to get a single payer Healthcare system set up in the nineties.
She stayed with her spouse, after he cheated on her.
She basically dedicated her life to public service, although she never let down her responsibilities as a mother.
After having her every move over-analyzed, she is, naturally, a little bit over cautious.
That's it, that's all. Admittedly, it's not much.
Somehow, these people have got to turn this into a horse race.
They have to ignore the ocean of Trump's flaws, and somehow pluck something, anything, with which they can attack Clinton.
Even this article, with it's wistful tone, is complicit in that effort:
"Her fans tried to portray it as something else: Toughing it out by showing up at the event in the first place showed incredible stamina, . . . they argued."
She was ill, and had to leave the 9/11 event, after being diagnosed with pneumonia two days before. If that's not "stamina", . . what is?
In the Nineties, she said, "I could have just stayed home and baked cookies."
The U.N. ambassador, Susan Rice, said the Benghazi attack 'was a direct result of a "heinous and offensive video", and was spontaneous, not pre-planned, and qualified her remarks about the attack, saying, "We'll want to see the results of [an FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions."'
Hillary gave talks at big corporations, for a lot of money, some of which she gave to charity.
She tried, and failed, to get a single payer Healthcare system set up in the nineties.
She stayed with her spouse, after he cheated on her.
She basically dedicated her life to public service, although she never let down her responsibilities as a mother.
After having her every move over-analyzed, she is, naturally, a little bit over cautious.
That's it, that's all. Admittedly, it's not much.
Somehow, these people have got to turn this into a horse race.
They have to ignore the ocean of Trump's flaws, and somehow pluck something, anything, with which they can attack Clinton.
Even this article, with it's wistful tone, is complicit in that effort:
"Her fans tried to portray it as something else: Toughing it out by showing up at the event in the first place showed incredible stamina, . . . they argued."
She was ill, and had to leave the 9/11 event, after being diagnosed with pneumonia two days before. If that's not "stamina", . . what is?
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Let me state the obvious: everybody gets sick sometime or other! But when you're running for the Presicency, it is a public, and a national, issue and even the appearance of hiding it is irresponsible. Then on top of the blunder about Bluster's supporters (shades of "46%" ). . . .just feeds on the un-easiness the public and, especially, the voters have about Hil. I plan to vorte for her, always have, but it is getting scary - the thought of its going the other way.
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I always wonder why no reporter or columnist ever chooses to defend a candidate who is under fire. I suppose the assumption is, if everyone else is piling on there must be something to the nefarious suggestions and innuendo. Or it might just make a better story - more likely to get picked up and published - if it is taking whacks rather than looking at facts.
I find it very hard to fault Hillary - or any other candidate - when they withhold as much as they can from the ravenous pack that surrounds them daily. Any little tid-bit thrown out will be grabbed by the mob without a thank you and gnawed to shreds all the while growling that it was insufficient and unconvincing.
I know, intellectually, that we need the media, imperfect as it is, but sometimes I have to ask,"Why?"
I find it very hard to fault Hillary - or any other candidate - when they withhold as much as they can from the ravenous pack that surrounds them daily. Any little tid-bit thrown out will be grabbed by the mob without a thank you and gnawed to shreds all the while growling that it was insufficient and unconvincing.
I know, intellectually, that we need the media, imperfect as it is, but sometimes I have to ask,"Why?"
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I am a practicing physician, a woman, and an admitted Hillary supporter. I AM SICK AND TIRED of the careless reporting seen here and on NPR regarding Hilary's pneumonia. The idea that there was a deliberate coverup or lies told about her condition are unfounded and full of speculation.
Hillary didn't share that she had pneumonia. She knew she would be scrutinized by the right wing and media. The questions to follow.. Why does she have pneumonia? Is it from Parkinson's? Is she aspirating from a stroke? Does she secretly smoke? It's cancer, I'm sure!!! This proves she is weak, has no stamina, and is dying!!
So when she fainted, she had an exam by her doctor and released a statement later in the day. Now she will release more records because no one believes her.
Give the woman a break. Everything she says is questioned because "she lies". When did she lie about her health?? We have seen 30 years of taxes, over 30,000 emails, all donors to the Clinton Foundation. Now we want her CXR results to prove it's pneumonia. When will we start treating Secretary Clinton with basic human decency. When I saw her faint, I felt concern, empathy, and sadness. I wish her a swift recovery.
Hillary didn't share that she had pneumonia. She knew she would be scrutinized by the right wing and media. The questions to follow.. Why does she have pneumonia? Is it from Parkinson's? Is she aspirating from a stroke? Does she secretly smoke? It's cancer, I'm sure!!! This proves she is weak, has no stamina, and is dying!!
So when she fainted, she had an exam by her doctor and released a statement later in the day. Now she will release more records because no one believes her.
Give the woman a break. Everything she says is questioned because "she lies". When did she lie about her health?? We have seen 30 years of taxes, over 30,000 emails, all donors to the Clinton Foundation. Now we want her CXR results to prove it's pneumonia. When will we start treating Secretary Clinton with basic human decency. When I saw her faint, I felt concern, empathy, and sadness. I wish her a swift recovery.
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You haven't seen all the emails she destroyed. There are conditions where that is a felony and a serious one. You have not seen all the donors to the Clinton Foundation. When they refiled their taxes because they did not report foreign donors, once again a violation and the excuse that they forgot about that would never hold water for you and me. These donors are not identified by name. When the AG of NYS requested they be disclosed, they declined. He is now attempting to go to court to force that information from non-profits but curiously, not the Clinton Foundation.
I wish her a swift recovery also. And a sound defeat in November. I hope you understand why one cannot trust her.
I wish her a swift recovery also. And a sound defeat in November. I hope you understand why one cannot trust her.
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Those are interesting points, Michael F.
But they don't hold water.
Let's say I agree with you, for arguments sake, that you are correct.
But Trump has been shown to be as corrupt as you paint Clinton to be.
If that is so, then why does it matter if one "understands why you do not trust her."
But, if one cannot "trust" him, as well- then how is "trust" the dispositive issue in this particular election? Seriously.
If he is no more "trust-able" than her, than surely he has no positives whatsoever. And you wished her a "sound defeat", so you must have wished this un-"trust"worthy man success.
The argument is hamburger, with this particular candidate in mind.
But they don't hold water.
Let's say I agree with you, for arguments sake, that you are correct.
But Trump has been shown to be as corrupt as you paint Clinton to be.
If that is so, then why does it matter if one "understands why you do not trust her."
But, if one cannot "trust" him, as well- then how is "trust" the dispositive issue in this particular election? Seriously.
If he is no more "trust-able" than her, than surely he has no positives whatsoever. And you wished her a "sound defeat", so you must have wished this un-"trust"worthy man success.
The argument is hamburger, with this particular candidate in mind.
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When a very powerful person surrounds themselves with only "yes men" (and women) it can lead directly to exceedingly bad judgement and poor decision making.
This is the basis to the fable The Emporers New Clothes. No advisor wants to risk their job so they all play along with a naked lie. It becomes comical.
On the e-mail server: the perception at least was that to defy her desires for control and privacy would have lead to the dissenting subordinate losing their job. So nobody spoke up.
On the health issue her secretiveness has caused her to risk her health first and secondly a more than embarrassing cause for greater concern.
Mrs. Clinton has still not learned the basic strategy of listening to a trusted but dissenting informed opinion. It is horribly risky and not the best way to make sound decisions.
It may be this that is giving so many people a queasy feeling.
This is the basis to the fable The Emporers New Clothes. No advisor wants to risk their job so they all play along with a naked lie. It becomes comical.
On the e-mail server: the perception at least was that to defy her desires for control and privacy would have lead to the dissenting subordinate losing their job. So nobody spoke up.
On the health issue her secretiveness has caused her to risk her health first and secondly a more than embarrassing cause for greater concern.
Mrs. Clinton has still not learned the basic strategy of listening to a trusted but dissenting informed opinion. It is horribly risky and not the best way to make sound decisions.
It may be this that is giving so many people a queasy feeling.
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I'm not sure any released medical records for either candidate would be entirely truthful. We won't know what's going on with these two unless and until a major medical episode occurs and even then we will be left in the dark as evidenced by the Hillary "Stumble."
At this point, as long as Trump doesn't have a Willie Nelson-sized bill for back taxes, I no longer care about his tax returns. I figure if the situation is that dire, we would have heard about it by now. Debating with the IRS over the depreciable lives of buildings is not a major issue. The only thing that gets me going regarding taxes is how much I, as a single person, have to pay in taxes compared to married people but that's a topic for another day.
At this point, as long as Trump doesn't have a Willie Nelson-sized bill for back taxes, I no longer care about his tax returns. I figure if the situation is that dire, we would have heard about it by now. Debating with the IRS over the depreciable lives of buildings is not a major issue. The only thing that gets me going regarding taxes is how much I, as a single person, have to pay in taxes compared to married people but that's a topic for another day.
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William Henry Harrison 2.0 ! Elect this person and maybe she makes it to Inauguration Day, maybe she doesn't. For all of those who think medical history and facts don't matter why don't you just vote for your dead grandmother and see how she runs the executive branch of the U.S. A.
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Why don't we vote for a fat, bloated red-faced man who lives on junk food? Why don't we vote for a man who never reads a book, or a newspaper (unless he is in the news)? Why don't we vote for a man who has not paid the contractors who worked on Trump Tower; he claims the work was not satisfactory. Why don't we vote for a man who has hired Romanians to work for him in Florida? Why don't we vote for a man who outsourced jobs to China, rather than pay American wages and benefits? Why don't we vote for a man who marketed $35,000 degrees to poor people and old people from a bogus university? Why don't we vote for the man whose fraudulent university was being investigated in Florida until he gave the AG a $25,000 campaign donation? Why don't we vote for a man whose fortune was handed to him by his father, a fortune he squandered? Why don't we vote for a man who owes Russian oligarchs a lot of money, because he couldn't get loans from either American or European banks when his casinos went under?
The article's writer, Susan Dominos, writes of Hillary: "She has stumbled in traps of her own making — those emails — and traps set by others."
What traps set by "others?"
What traps set by "others?"
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This is another Clinton unforced error. Her Campaign could have issued a Press release about Hillary being diagnosed with Pneumonia and cancelled all Clinton's public Appearances . As a Clinton Supporter, I had hard Time watching the Video. Ms Clinton and her Campaign just gave Trump and his supporters like former Major Giuliani enough Material to justify their attack against Ms Clinton Health.
America has a Superhero Culture. Only in the U.S.A , is a 68 or 70 Years Old Candidate running for President supposed to be as healthy as a 25 Years old.
America has a Superhero Culture. Only in the U.S.A , is a 68 or 70 Years Old Candidate running for President supposed to be as healthy as a 25 Years old.
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"Stumbles"? Is that what you call it? Had Hillary not been scooped up by her handlers, she'd have been flat on her back unconscious on the pavement.
She lost a shoe under her Medivan. Her people picked it up when the van was driven away.
Hillary's supporters were angry at questions about her health. Now? It's out and can't be pasted over.
Romney was lambasted due to MRS. Romney's MS condition, yet somehow Hillary can pass out and it's just wonderful.
How many more times will Hillary gag uncontrollably and collapse? At the debates she's going to be more juiced up than Jose Canseco.
Private servers, hammered cell phones, Foundation shady practices, tens of thousands of missing bleached emails, countless lies, and now health problems front and center. Hillary sure has her own baskets of deplorables.
She lost a shoe under her Medivan. Her people picked it up when the van was driven away.
Hillary's supporters were angry at questions about her health. Now? It's out and can't be pasted over.
Romney was lambasted due to MRS. Romney's MS condition, yet somehow Hillary can pass out and it's just wonderful.
How many more times will Hillary gag uncontrollably and collapse? At the debates she's going to be more juiced up than Jose Canseco.
Private servers, hammered cell phones, Foundation shady practices, tens of thousands of missing bleached emails, countless lies, and now health problems front and center. Hillary sure has her own baskets of deplorables.
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"Gag uncontrollably and collapse"? That's a new one. You sure as heck want to believe all this stuff, don't you? Countless lies...why don't you see if you can come up with just 5 of them, clear, proven lies by Hillary Clinton, to include in your next post so you can edify those of us who don't treat Fox News and the right wing spin machine as the sole source of truth?
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It seems to me that the media its using very strong words that aren't helping anyone or any candidate. I feel sick and tired of the negative words that the media puts out about daily events. This election is difficult in every way but no-one is reporting the issues with class and real solid truth. Hilary Clinton is an amazing person who cares deeply in the the state of the people of this country. She does not have a weak character trait or lack the physical stamina.. She is human. I am not a political person who keeps on top of every move. I follow my gut on what and how I think a candidate will do best for our future and the future of our children.
I have never written an opinion or felt the need till now,.Whether or not the candidates are fit for office, this is all we've got right now. Make the best of it.
I have never written an opinion or felt the need till now,.Whether or not the candidates are fit for office, this is all we've got right now. Make the best of it.
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She does not have a weak character trait
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My goodness there is a voluminous record of her lies, perfidy and corruption. What would a weak character trait look like.
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My goodness there is a voluminous record of her lies, perfidy and corruption. What would a weak character trait look like.
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I would not want to have her unsteady finger on the nuclear button.
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Ha ha! She meant to hit the button for the White House kitchen instead.
I don't see how saying she was not a cookie baking mom was an insult to those who were and thus an example of stumbling. She wasn't one and in those days that was unusual. Women were still overwhelmingly at home and not represented in the professional ranks. She was a lawyer. People don't seem to realize how far out from the pack she was. She was special and should not have had to make apologies for it. She should not have been seen as offensive for stating it. They should have been cheering her on.
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And then she said she did bake cookies and even showed how she did it. The problem with the Clinton's is that they are disingenuous completely. Bill had charm and that helped, for a while before he decided to charm Ms. Lewinsky. Hillary doesn't.
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So I suppose my job is to look the other way when Trump talks about Mexicans, Muslims, women and a Gold Star family. Clinton represents the double standard that many people face. We might not the the loudest in the room but we vote. We hear and see the pass a bully self-serving person gets in the media. This election for some, is a vote against a bully who is full of himself.
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Americans can't afford to be anything but white, blond, Christian, god-fearing and second-generation. And now we can't afford to be anything but 100% healthy. Remind you of anything? It sure reminds me of something: the Third Reich's eugenics program.
I'd love to see the NYT devote as much ink to Trump's mysterious bone spurs as you've devoted to Clinton's pneumonia. Or better yet, his mysterious tax returns, his many bankruptcies and lawsuits and the fact that he knows absolutely nothing about the world or foreign policy, and that he lies through his teeth with impunity on an hourly basis--and you don't have the guts to challenge him on it, on an hourly basis.
I'd love to see the NYT devote as much ink to Trump's mysterious bone spurs as you've devoted to Clinton's pneumonia. Or better yet, his mysterious tax returns, his many bankruptcies and lawsuits and the fact that he knows absolutely nothing about the world or foreign policy, and that he lies through his teeth with impunity on an hourly basis--and you don't have the guts to challenge him on it, on an hourly basis.
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Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a big supporter of eugenics. Her solution was the "Negro Project". It, and she, was deplorable.
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Mrs. Clinton likely has just what her physician has reported; namely pneumonia complicated by dehydration resulting in a falling blood pressure and a faint or near faint. She decided we did not have a right to know and, like with her e-mail quagmire, is paying a heavy price for her secretiveness. She will recover in a few days but should the episode be repeated before the election all bets are off. No she has not had seizures or a recent stroke or T.I.A She does not have Parkinson's Disease either. She does have a history of three blood clots including one in a large vein draining blood from the brain. It is pure speculation but that could have produced a brain injury (stroke). The matter could be settled swiftly and definitively by releasing the actual report of her brain MRI. I would be astonished if that happens. I, for one, think we have a right to know and yes Trump must be more forthcoming as well. The video of her collapse will take its rightful place in the annals of presidential campaigns.
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Are you qualified to read an mri
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So when was her pneumonia diagnosed? She has media coverage all day and on Friday was in Pennsylvania.
Doc Bardack is in Mt. Kisco, NY. In the rest of the country, diagnosing pneumonia means a thorough exam, lab tests and an X-ray or chest CT. When and where were these taken?
Now Hillary says 'her campaign' takes responsibility, and will release more information, while her husband says she's had these collapses before. Liars, all of 'em. Bah!
Doc Bardack is in Mt. Kisco, NY. In the rest of the country, diagnosing pneumonia means a thorough exam, lab tests and an X-ray or chest CT. When and where were these taken?
Now Hillary says 'her campaign' takes responsibility, and will release more information, while her husband says she's had these collapses before. Liars, all of 'em. Bah!
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What's similar with the video of Hillary being sick and the zapruder film of the jfk assassination is how it inspires the fabulist to imagine the most horrible scenarios. No wonder they are voting for Trump
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She has a huge problem with honesty. Now she says she kept her illness from friends family and campaign, yet she kept saying her campaign was transparent.
Apparently she no longer can remember which lies she has told, and she keeps stepping in her own toes.
Apparently she no longer can remember which lies she has told, and she keeps stepping in her own toes.
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"Hillary Clinton decided to limit the information to her family members and close aides, certain that the illness was not a crucial issue for voters and that it might be twisted and exploited by her opponents, several advisers and allies said on Monday."
Not that the NYT is an opponent, but even the way this event has been reported., a self fulfilling prophecy.
She was sick, she thought she would be fine after the weekend. And instead she had a public moment of illness to be followed the next day with a front page headline on the site "Clinton Said to Keep News of Illness From Most of Staff" as if she is a machiavellian character, more nefarious deeds to come.
Really, any wonder this woman is guarded?
Not that the NYT is an opponent, but even the way this event has been reported., a self fulfilling prophecy.
She was sick, she thought she would be fine after the weekend. And instead she had a public moment of illness to be followed the next day with a front page headline on the site "Clinton Said to Keep News of Illness From Most of Staff" as if she is a machiavellian character, more nefarious deeds to come.
Really, any wonder this woman is guarded?
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Hillary is ill, no doubt about it. But getting truth about her condition, or her affairs, or emails, is next to impossible. Voting for either of two misfits is not worth a trip to the polls.
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So now you think Clinton is having affairs. Please stay home, then. Turn on Fox.
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Here we go, the NYTImes pushing "what if's instead of facts.
Is there any facts to show that either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump have chronic or terminal health problems? Is there any reason so far to think, besides unsubstantiated claims attempting to tarnish the candidates that health may be an issue?
Rumor attempting to slander is now "all the news that is fit to print"
Is there any facts to show that either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump have chronic or terminal health problems? Is there any reason so far to think, besides unsubstantiated claims attempting to tarnish the candidates that health may be an issue?
Rumor attempting to slander is now "all the news that is fit to print"
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From the update:
"And [Clinton] was optimistic that she could recuperate over the weekend, when she had only two brief events on her schedule, said the advisers and allies, who insisted on anonymity to disclose private conversations. But Mrs. Clinton’s penchant for privacy backfired. On Monday, her campaign scrambled to reassure voters about her health, a day after she grew visibly weak and was filmed being helped into a van.."
Let's analyze this gem. First the ubiquitous "said the advisers and allies, who insisted on anonymity to disclose private conversations." In Times speak: Clinton had given the okay to talk, knowing full well the Times wouldn't insist on identifying the speaker.
"was optimistic that she could recuperate over the weekend" -- from pneumonia? Who's her doc?
"But Mrs. Clinton’s penchant for privacy backfired.."
No!!! (Isn't learning from one's mistakes considered ... presidential?)
"and was filmed being helped into a van.."
Uh, actually, she was carried. Close enough.
As to Benjamin Netanyahu calling Clinton and commenting, "Aren't those videos a killer!?" -- that has not been confirmed by the Clinton camp, anonymously or otherwise.
"And [Clinton] was optimistic that she could recuperate over the weekend, when she had only two brief events on her schedule, said the advisers and allies, who insisted on anonymity to disclose private conversations. But Mrs. Clinton’s penchant for privacy backfired. On Monday, her campaign scrambled to reassure voters about her health, a day after she grew visibly weak and was filmed being helped into a van.."
Let's analyze this gem. First the ubiquitous "said the advisers and allies, who insisted on anonymity to disclose private conversations." In Times speak: Clinton had given the okay to talk, knowing full well the Times wouldn't insist on identifying the speaker.
"was optimistic that she could recuperate over the weekend" -- from pneumonia? Who's her doc?
"But Mrs. Clinton’s penchant for privacy backfired.."
No!!! (Isn't learning from one's mistakes considered ... presidential?)
"and was filmed being helped into a van.."
Uh, actually, she was carried. Close enough.
As to Benjamin Netanyahu calling Clinton and commenting, "Aren't those videos a killer!?" -- that has not been confirmed by the Clinton camp, anonymously or otherwise.
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pneumonia is often a result of an underlying problem...In Hillarys' case I assume it is systemic
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Did Dr. Google help you with that. Reddit meme
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"Trump is a racist" is another meme. Does that mean it's not true?
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Force the candidates to disclose their taxes nor their colonoscopies. Force the candidates to disclose their relationships with the different lobbies nor their cholesterol test results. If we want perfectly healthy candidates we may need to have an age limit because anyone and everyone after a certain age (55? 60?) has had this or that in relation to his or her health.
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I'm only a few months younger than Hillary, so let me spell it out for you. First off, she's got walking pneumonia. Not great, but not that big a deal - if she would slow down, which, of course, she won't. She is going to the 9-11 ceremony. The internet is speculating she has a body double because she looks thinner when she comes out of Chelsea's apartment. Can anyone say, "bullet-proof vest?" Next, she is going to be standing or sitting for hours in one place. No chance for a potty break, and yes, older women need potty breaks. So, you don't drink much water before you go out to the ceremony. Next it is HOT. Put me in a hot room, and I am practically in heat stroke. No double layer of clothes (blouse/jacket), no bullet-proof vest, just being an older woman makes you hot. Not the fun kind. After an hour, Hillary starts to wilt. She tries to go back to her car, but her vest and the walk get to her, and she starts to go down. Off to Chelsea's, no vest, maybe a cold shower, plenty to drink, and she's perked up. No mystery here - except to Donald Trump. You see, Donald dumps his wives the minute they get a little dust on them, so he has no personal knowledge of the vagaries of older women. Hillary will give us her medical records. Donald is going to give us one day's test results (and who knows how many days he had to be tested to get them). No medical history from him (beyond last Tuesday or whenever).
With age comes wisdom - and a few health problems.
With age comes wisdom - and a few health problems.
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Greatest post on this site
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"With age comes wisdom"
You must be the exception to the rule then, because you have no factual evidence for anything said. Also, try checking the actual weather data that disproves the overwhelming heat refrain.
You must be the exception to the rule then, because you have no factual evidence for anything said. Also, try checking the actual weather data that disproves the overwhelming heat refrain.
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Nice story. But at 68, Hillary is long past menopause & hot flashes. And it wasn't hot!
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"Clinton’s moment of evident illness will surely come to symbolize something."
Maybe this will be the moment she's finally seen as human.
Maybe this will be the moment she's finally seen as human.
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Well-written, light-hearted tone to a very serious issue. I love your writing style.
Let say Hilary was to fall ill and is rendered medically unfit to hold office, does Trump win by default without an election or will do be a much needed "re-do", "do over" of sorts, like starting a game and making a fatal mistake so you hit the reset button, because the amount of progress that's made is insignificant in comparison to the potential gains throughout the rest of the game?
Let say Hilary was to fall ill and is rendered medically unfit to hold office, does Trump win by default without an election or will do be a much needed "re-do", "do over" of sorts, like starting a game and making a fatal mistake so you hit the reset button, because the amount of progress that's made is insignificant in comparison to the potential gains throughout the rest of the game?
But now it is completely clear that if they had released the fact that she had pneumonia on Friday, that she wasn't taking it lying down, and was soldiering on, the episode today might have engendered a great deal of sympathy. Triathletes and the toughest soldiers sometimes stumble or collapse, take a short rest, get back up and slog along - and people react along the lines of "wow, s/he just doesn't quit".
I am sympathetic to the motivation for the secrecy - she has been victimized in the past. But it hurt her here and that is unfortunate.
I am sympathetic to the motivation for the secrecy - she has been victimized in the past. But it hurt her here and that is unfortunate.
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The Clinton's are their own worst enemy, better start thinking about Joe Biden.
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Rinse, repeat...nonsensical meme
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Pneumonia in elderly is no joke. My father started with a persistent cough, after it wouldn't go away he was put on antibiotics. Two weeks later he had a massive heart attack while still fighting that lung condition, which he barely survived. One year later he is completely disabled by that episode. And he wasn't even running for president.
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She says after the diagnosis she only told family members.
How convenient.
They got an excuse for why staff did not report the pneumonia.
Only problem is, she has a moral and ethical obligation to tell everyone around her.
How convenient.
They got an excuse for why staff did not report the pneumonia.
Only problem is, she has a moral and ethical obligation to tell everyone around her.
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No she didn't. If she had diarrhea from bad fish would you want that information too. What is wrong with you people?
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The people who are most upset by Secretary Clinton's illness seem be the media. Those of us who support her know it should be a non-issue. (Trump's appearance alone is frightening, and who can believe his "medical report" after what he initially released?) And those who don't support her are thrilled to be able to exaggerate and/or lie about her "weakness."
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For the people who have a problem with not being in speed dial about Clinton's visit with her doctor on Friday, everybody in the world found out it was pneumonia PDQ. Maybe Donald Trump should release his medical records. He's about the size of Jabba the Hut and what he eats is a heart attack on a plate. So Hilkary Clinton can spend 11 hours in front of the Benghazi Committe and has been flying around the country for years, appearing in front of myriads of people, but she has some secret disease that only Dr Rudy Guiliani can diagnose. Maybe Rudy can give us an update on his prostate.
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No, she didn't say 'some portion of Trump's supporters belong to a basket of deplorables', she said 'about half'. The approximately 25% of her fellow countrymen and women she rates as deplorable may now prove even harder to govern, should she become President.
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Yes another fiasco. I'm asking myself " is she really smart". She does and says so many counter intuitive things that I'm covered about her thinking. Laughing thins off is a cover. I wonder if she is having some cognitive issues. Early onset Alzheimer's or dementia. She is not sturdy in body or mind it seems. Jesus she's our only choice. Get to know her Vice President people. I hope she can make it through debates and election. I'm serous and disheartened.
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Seriously Niel, you are hysterical because if you are not being funny - that is one of the silliest cut and pastes from the wingnut blogs today,
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The Best of the GOP:
Richard Nixon: Resigned rather than be impeached.
Gerald Ford: Tripped over his own feet, often.
Ronald Reagan: Admitted fornicator.
George H.W. Bush: Vomited on Japan's Prime Minister.
George W. Bush: Recovering addict.
But God forbid that HRC should fall ill, and it's held up as a personal failing.
And though her statement that some portion of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorables” was ill-advised, it was hardly without truth.
Richard Nixon: Resigned rather than be impeached.
Gerald Ford: Tripped over his own feet, often.
Ronald Reagan: Admitted fornicator.
George H.W. Bush: Vomited on Japan's Prime Minister.
George W. Bush: Recovering addict.
But God forbid that HRC should fall ill, and it's held up as a personal failing.
And though her statement that some portion of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorables” was ill-advised, it was hardly without truth.
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They couldn't get Obama on his birth certificate or claims he is a Muslim (as though there's something wrong with that); they couldn't get Clinton on Benghazi or her e-mail server, even vis-a-vis Comey, a Republican; so now they'll go after her health. Any slight cough will do. It worked on McCain and his moles, so why not?
Trump supporters are a big ol' hammer, aching desperately for anything that even looks like a nail, and Trump is only too happy to exploit that desperation.
They do know she will be President come January, don't they?
Trump supporters are a big ol' hammer, aching desperately for anything that even looks like a nail, and Trump is only too happy to exploit that desperation.
They do know she will be President come January, don't they?
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Maybe not a stumble--but a controlled dialing down of the Clinton attacks. Beats talking about emails, right?
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We worry, a lot, about the health of the lungs of the candidates but it seems we don't care much about the health of their brains or the health of their moral principles. I wonder if we are electing a President to play Count Almaviva at the Barber of Seville. We have a Republic not a Monarchy. We are electing a President not an Emperor who will rule us until his death. We have a Vice President, a Congress, a Supreme Court. If a President who was in very good physical health when elected suddenly dies, nothing happens, we will have a new President. If we elect someone whose brain is not that healthy we may have a nuclear artifact dropped on Beijing and then we still will have a President but most likely we will not have a planet.
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I say Hillary should release her health records when Trump releases his tax records.
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I recognize that most candidates release tax returns, but I nevertheless wonder whether Trump's critics really care about this. He released a 100+ page financial statement in May, to comply with federal election laws. Have you read that?
I'll wager that you haven't, and never will. I haven't either, but the Times mentioned a few highlights at the time: $615 million in income since his previously filed report, over $1.5 billion in assets (he claims $10 billion, but apparently the statement disclosure "maxes out" at "greater than $1.5 billion). That's all I recall. Have you read it?
I'll wager that you haven't, and never will. I haven't either, but the Times mentioned a few highlights at the time: $615 million in income since his previously filed report, over $1.5 billion in assets (he claims $10 billion, but apparently the statement disclosure "maxes out" at "greater than $1.5 billion). That's all I recall. Have you read it?
Financial statements do not show loans outstanding, or payments from foreign lenders. Trump owes money on every building except Trump Tower which is held in Trust. His casinos went bankrupt; he had loans outstanding; his sons have borrowed money from Russian oligarchs and have business interests in Russia; I can't think of any other President who had business interests with an "enemy"; Prescott Bush had business dealings with the Nazis until FDR stopped it. All of the above were/are Republicans. Trump would be the worst of the worst.
Please Hillary pull through not out. Joe or Tim would be much harder to beat.
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It seems as if Hillary is held to a very high standard, while Trump is held to no standard at all.
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Prof,
Those comparing the standards of Hillary and Trump are missing the point.
Do you want our President to be the best, or merely better than the next best ?
In 800-meter freestyle, Ledecky did not aim to win Gold by being just better than the rest. Her goal was to be the best that anyone can be. That is what USA is about. That is what we expect our President to represent.
Those comparing the standards of Hillary and Trump are missing the point.
Do you want our President to be the best, or merely better than the next best ?
In 800-meter freestyle, Ledecky did not aim to win Gold by being just better than the rest. Her goal was to be the best that anyone can be. That is what USA is about. That is what we expect our President to represent.
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I didn't notice anyone pressing either candidate very hard until Clinton had her 3-minute coughing fit in Cleveland and fainting spell in New York. If those incidents had happened to Trump instead, people would have started wondering about him. Had that occurred, Clinton might have predicted that she too would be asked for medical records and would have offered to provide them, as Trump has done.
Generally I'm in favor of maintaining the "zone of privacy" that Clinton has always insisted is her right. But when we see incidents such as she's experienced recently, it raises eyebrows. Some good explanation is required, and that explanation has to be backed up by independent documentation.
Generally I'm in favor of maintaining the "zone of privacy" that Clinton has always insisted is her right. But when we see incidents such as she's experienced recently, it raises eyebrows. Some good explanation is required, and that explanation has to be backed up by independent documentation.
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Reagan left the White House after he had Alzheimers; Nancy ran everything; that was kept secret from the public. Nixon lied throughout his presidency, taped all his conversations, and was later diagnosed as "clinically paranoid". Bush started a war against a country which never attacked us, ever. The above three were not the best that anyone could be. I'll settle for Hillary Clinton.
This election is Hillary's to lose. Cable news networks behaved in a ghoul-like fashion, playing the stumbling footage over and over again. But then the revelation that her campaign kept the pneumonia news under wraps. Clinton's top advisors, or whatever operative decided that news should be kept from the public on Friday, is not in touch with the reality on the ground. Although the facts clearly show that Clinton herself, as well as her campaign has been so much more transparent than anything Trump, the other unfortunate truth is that she's under a more powerful microscope.
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So, I am just a female, but my male husband tells me that the candidate's health has been an issue in the past... with... FDR.
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For all the pinhead, low IQ Trump supporters, Hillary Clinton having pneumonia doesn't make Donald Trump a better candidate, or less of a lying, con artist, and despicable racist boar. Sorry. And yes, more than half of you are deplorable.
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My grandmother died of pneumonia....at 68.
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That's rich. A Hillary supporter calling Trump a liar. The Clintons have taken lying to a whole new level.
It’s worth noting that David Petraeus, the ex-general, also fainted during Senate Armed Services hearings in 2010. The committee chairman, Carl Levin, politely postponed the meeting until the next day and no more was said of it. ”General David Petraeus faints during grilling over US in Afghanistan” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/15/general-david-petraeus-fai...
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Is David Petraeus running for President?
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How is Hillary's health? It depends on what "is" is. Just another thing about which Hillary can lie and obfuscate, and about which her minions can point to Reagan and his health. As if Reagan's health, which was not known to the public when he was elected, means Hillary can be on her death bed and her minions will tell us it doesn't matter.
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Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton needs a long, relaxing rest. Come on Democrat lawmakers and other powerful people. Step up and offer to stand in for her for a day on the campaign trail so she can get well and refuel. She could be on speaker phone while you appear. It would be great fun to watch other Democrats stand up for her and shout out the horrid spokespeople for The Don who use his tactic of rudeness and not answering questions.
Democrat lawmakers - Do it! Start tomorrow. Step out and speak up for Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Shout The Don down.
Democrat lawmakers - Do it! Start tomorrow. Step out and speak up for Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Shout The Don down.
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HRC is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Of course she can't sit and drink water to stay hydrated because she's a middle aged woman who would then need to find a restroom and Trump and his minions would go off on her "disappearance". I am astounded that our best journalists are falling right in the Trumpian traps. The man has a doctor who looks like he walked off the set of Back to the Future and admits his "note" was just a fraud and yet we take all of that at face value.
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68 is middle aged?
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Has Donald Trump passed out in oppressive 80-degree heat?
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It is the Trump camp and the universe of pundits that need to take a breath...how about a time out and an old-fashioned "get better soon"?
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If only we could bring back the other candidate who consistently polled 10 points ahead of Trump, who did not have any health or email problems and who does not have a mega trust deficit with the American people.
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You may get your wish.
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I'm heartbroken to see her suffer, yet the ignoring of evidence is almost ridiculous. A presidential candidate under watchful care of aids, doctors and secret service who is suffering from "pneumonia" doesn't go without water. She doesn't walk out of her daughter's apartment after stumbling without anyone by her side; she doesn't hug a child when she' been diagnosed with pneumonia. When she stumbled at the van, no one was startled-there was a calculated swift moving-in as if the weakness was expected.
Please Hillary, don't let the lack of transparency endanger your presidential election. Talk to us truthfully.
Please Hillary, don't let the lack of transparency endanger your presidential election. Talk to us truthfully.
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oh enough.....these endless silly faux concerns are just sad
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She can't. She won't. Ball is now in our court.
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If her lungs were impaired and not her brain why she did not use it to make a decision and stay out of spotlight that day? What was her thought process to decide to attend an event with pneumonia?
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Because you are Russian we have to forgive you for not knowing what 9/11 means to us in the US and specially what it means for someone who was one of the two US Senators from New York when 9/11 occurred. Now, it is obvious that you support Donald J. Trump. And because you are Russian I ask you: Just because you decided so or because Vladimir told you that you better support Trump or else?
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I happened to be eating with a friend who is a nurse partitioner when the clip of Secretary Clinton's "stumble" came on the cafeteria television. My friend a practicing heath professional said and I quote "Oh-Oh she's going down, followed by "She's out!". I recognized it too having cared for an elderly parent. I suspect that any honest health care professional will say the same thing. Secretary Clinton lost consciousness and fell forward head lolling and was dragged into the van by her companions. Why this happened and how serious the incident was can't be determined from the video clip but there is one thing for certain Hillary was at least temporarily unconscious. So please fess up and stop spinning.
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How about heat stroke? I had one at the beach on a hot, humid day; I was 32 at the time.
I too had pneumonia recently. After a week on the couch, the antibiotic had fixed the infection and I was eager to get back to work. I'm used to being able to power through an illness, but not this time. I recognized Hillary's sinking feeling, because I had just that same thing happen to me. A few hours into a hot morning, I needed help and nearly passed out. After a rest I was able to drive home (alas no limo!) and proceeded to spend the next three weeks underpowered and weak. Everyone is different, but for me pneumonia has been a slow slog to regaining pep in my step!
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You may have done fine. But 50,000 people died of pneumonia last year. 5X the number of people who committed murder by using a firearm.
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I had it at 37. Did not get my strength back for 6 months. at 69, it is probably very debilitating. To think you could just go on with 14 hour days crisis crossing the country speaking and meeting people with such a disease is either delusional or reveals again a horrible blind spot in judgment.
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Can we please have some political news about issues?
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The fact that a major party's nominee may not live to election day IS an issue.
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Seriously, man. Do you think Mr. Trump is terminally ill?
Source, please.
Source, please.
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This would be an appropriate time for Ms. Clinton to gracefully bow out of the race, citing exhaustion or pulmonary illness, and let Uncle Joe take over as the democrat party nominee. This would be the dignified way of handling her health problems and guarantee a democrat party victory in November. Otherwise she risks an even more embarrassing incidents.
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@BearBoy.
And, how many primary votes did Uncle Joe get ? The democratic choice is Bernie.
#Bring Back Bernie.
And, how many primary votes did Uncle Joe get ? The democratic choice is Bernie.
#Bring Back Bernie.
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And Kaine is infinitely preferable to the Trumpster.
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If there is any decency left in the media by the time the last paper is sold in November, a few apologies will be in order to Mrs. Clinton whose policy positions and qualifications have been ignored to make room for the clothesless emperor's march though America' attention span with inane ramblings. We've got a melting planet, a bunch of unbalanced world leaders, a crumbling infrastructure, a Senate that doesn't follow the Constitution, a House that does nothing and no plan to help anyone but the 1% and yet we're talking about emails and walking pneumonia? Deplorable indeed.
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So your assertion is that this is the first time in the history of Supreme Court appointments that a senate hasn't acted on a President's nominee?
Please cite the Article and Section of the Constitution that says the Senate needs to act on a President's nominee in a timely, or any other fashion.
Please cite the Article and Section of the Constitution that says the Senate needs to act on a President's nominee in a timely, or any other fashion.
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Article II, Section 2, Clause 2. The president appoints; the congress gives its advice and consent. The Constitution relies on all three branches to fulfill their obligations. Let's not play around with the directions to the country.
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Both are not good candidates. This is horrible. We need to re do the primary process. And, yes, let Trump be President and like Jeb Bush - purging the system of Bush - let's put to rest the notion and inertia of Clinton entitled to the White House. Let Trump mess up the mess we have even more. Yes, and watch the Congress be even more locked up. This is a total mess. But, we deserve it.
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I know Trump's tax returns are of momentous importance to many. Much more important than a candidate's potentially serious health problems, apparently. Not having a President dieing or requiring long hospital stays while in office is momentously important to me. This country has been through enough.
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What would Trump parry if Clinton went to an Ob/Gyn? There are limits. People get sick. People work while sick. Campaigning is hard work. Stop trembling, America. Every president is surrounded by a staff of medicals. And there is a vice president. Sheesh! Jenny Mann responds.
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Some people, like john Kerry, tell the truth about being sick.
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A 68-year-old candidate gets run down toward the end of an arduous 19-month race. Having contracted pneumonia, she presses on, not wanting to be criticized for missing a commemoration of the 9/11 attacks that occurred while she was representing New York in the United States Senate. But her illness, combined with the day's heat, cause her to faint. Perhaps the circumstances say more about the unnecessarily grueling nature of modern presidential campaigns than about any "missteps" by Hillary Clinton.
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I agree that the campaign is unnecessarily long.
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Has anyone spoken about Ronald Reagan. Did Reagan and his administration know he was diagnosed with Alzheimers, at what point did he feel the affects, When was he diagnosed, why wasn't this public record. Did his illness kick in during the Iran-Contra affair? who knows. Hillary has pneumonia, she'll be fine and I look forward to her taking office and ending all this nonsense.
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Is Ronald Reagan running for President?
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She would have done us all a favor and said she had been diagnosed with pneumonia on Sat before the event on Sun....then people would have been very happy she came and understanding about her condition. The Republicans attack on her, including her health, are unrelenting...It will not be different if she is the next President...You know women are weak...a common sexist, misogynist lie that is propagated by the far right and all those macho males..Women are stronger than men...in many many ways
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Reagan was shot and went on to serve 7 more years. I think Hillary can serve after a short bout with pneumonia. This is misogyny at its worst.
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Hillary could have stumbled off the curb, fallen to the street, and dropped dead. She would still get my vote.
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Exactly
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Now it comes out that Clinton avoided the ER to prevent the facts from getting out.
Her medical "problem" is being allergic to the truth.
Her medical "problem" is being allergic to the truth.
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HIllary could be on her death bed and she would still be a better choice than Drumf.
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At this stage of our courtship with Hillary Clinton it is fairly obvious that though she is not 100% trustworthy she is not going to burn the constitution or throw America out the window.
She is not going to ruin the system, it can tolerate slightly Machievellian politicians like Hillary- at worst, there'll ensue a few scandals at best, she'll pull the levers of power.
She is not a saint. The system can handle Clinton. I'm not so sure about Trump
She is not going to ruin the system, it can tolerate slightly Machievellian politicians like Hillary- at worst, there'll ensue a few scandals at best, she'll pull the levers of power.
She is not a saint. The system can handle Clinton. I'm not so sure about Trump
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I wish the candidates would stay at home and speak
to the country about their plans to improve the lives
of our countrymen and how they hope to make the world
into a better place for all its inhabitants.
There should be no need to go to every last village and hamlet in the electoral battlegrounds. There is a need for leaders who are rested and able to take on the tasks
that lie ahead.
to the country about their plans to improve the lives
of our countrymen and how they hope to make the world
into a better place for all its inhabitants.
There should be no need to go to every last village and hamlet in the electoral battlegrounds. There is a need for leaders who are rested and able to take on the tasks
that lie ahead.
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Hillary got pneumonia. So what. She's human. Geeez. She'll be fine in a week or two.
Trump is a cheap shot con artist with a fatal case of ignorance, arrogance, shafting workers, students and investors, and the press gives him and the moronic email and Benghazi crowd a pass on most everything.
This buffoon should be hammered over a dozen of his idiotic "positions" and non accomplishments every day. He has no ideas or prescriptions for anything, just inane empty "believe me, I'll make the country great again". Oh brother.
Do your jobs for a change press corp, with some perspective, context and fairness regarding all the issues.
Trump is a cheap shot con artist with a fatal case of ignorance, arrogance, shafting workers, students and investors, and the press gives him and the moronic email and Benghazi crowd a pass on most everything.
This buffoon should be hammered over a dozen of his idiotic "positions" and non accomplishments every day. He has no ideas or prescriptions for anything, just inane empty "believe me, I'll make the country great again". Oh brother.
Do your jobs for a change press corp, with some perspective, context and fairness regarding all the issues.
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The unauthorized tourist video that shows Hillary stumbling and almost falling into the van notwithstanding the Secret Service efforts to block her from public view is reminiscent of the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination, which limited the the Warren Commission's ability to invent a narrative at odds with the Zapruder pictures -- nonetheless the Warren Commission tried unsuccessfully to peddle its "one bullet" theory. The Dems are now trying to peddle their pneumonia theory to mask what else is truly ailing Hillary. Darn tourist video!
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Why aren't you asking for records of TRUMP's health?
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Oh...who knows??? Maybe because 1) he did not collapse on Sunday and 2) he has not broken out in 4-minute-long coughing spells during recent speeches.
It is not about ".. turning illness into a personality flaw..". It is about not being forthcoming and transparent that is the personality flaw.
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Polls show that 66% of Trump supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim and was not born in the U.S, and therefore that he is not a legitimate president.
How is that for deplorable? And that's more than half his supporters.
And Trump has never apologized for the birther accusations he lodged against Obama a few years ago demanding to see his birth certificate and calling him "THAT GUY" on TV all the time instead of President Obama. He does not want to upset the 66% of his followers that believe that lie.
How is that for deplorable? And that's more than half his supporters.
And Trump has never apologized for the birther accusations he lodged against Obama a few years ago demanding to see his birth certificate and calling him "THAT GUY" on TV all the time instead of President Obama. He does not want to upset the 66% of his followers that believe that lie.
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Good grief. The President was born in Honolulu, attended Punahou School, was reared by his grandparents, graduated from Harvard Law,voted "present" in the Senate and did not prosecute his chums, Wall Street, when he had majorities in both houses of Congress. We who dislike him do so on policy, not skin color. Get it?
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Got it, you are in the 34% who don't believe the lie. Please convince the 66%
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Where does the sixty-six percent come from, MikeC? I know of many, many people who don't care for HRC, but they don't think of President Obama as one born abroad or as of the Muslim faith. It is you and the media who perpetuate this lie.
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It's really time for a lot of people in this country to take a moment and re-adjust their tin foil hats.
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Stumble-gate again points towards Clinton's reckless decision making. Who in their right mind would go to their daughter's apartment rather than an emergency room after stumbling as badly as she did? If she's that reckless about her own health how can she be trusted with decisions about the nation's health.
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And you of course are perfect.
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She already knew she had pneumonia and needed to rest. Why would she go to the emergency room? Are you a doctor? Do you play one on the internet?
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"A fleeting moment that, like so much of her campaign, is impossible to separate from history."
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History should have at least a modicum of truth.
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History should have at least a modicum of truth.
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I don't believe for a second that Clinton's deplorables comment was mistake. I believe that her team saw something in the reactions to her alt-right speech. That something told them to keep Trump supporters' extreme views in the headlines.
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If you've ever seen someone succumb to heat and dehydration, it makes them weak in the knees and mentally foggy. A little rest, some water, maybe a little food, and they bounce back just fine.
Secretary Clinton needs to look after her health to clear up the pneumonia; otherwise, business as usual. People need to settle down and not jump to conclusions based on repeated rants from the right about her health.
Secretary Clinton needs to look after her health to clear up the pneumonia; otherwise, business as usual. People need to settle down and not jump to conclusions based on repeated rants from the right about her health.
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She and her staff just don't see the value of telling the truth about anything. That is why she is not trusted. Dissembling is their default position. She has been coughing for months and months. If her doctor says she just came down with pneumonia, no one will believe that. Her juvenile aides have been attacking reporters who have said she does not look well.
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Hillary Clinton's been campaigning for the past two years, with the pace picking up dramatically, as time goes on. She probably hasn't slept more than several hours a night for months and months. The level of scrutiny and venom directed toward her make me wince. Over and over again. Yes, perhaps she shuts down and doesn't answer all questions in the moment, perfectly. To protect herself. She's human. Years and years of misogynistic abuse and unfounded investigations by political "colleagues" and others can do that to a person. And yet she continues on.
Hillary Clinton is an incredibly strong 70 year old woman. She deserves only credit for her years of public service. Let's see y'all do it....
Hillary Clinton is an incredibly strong 70 year old woman. She deserves only credit for her years of public service. Let's see y'all do it....
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This incident offers a distinct preview of how her administration would handle crisis. The same way they have handled others:
- lying through their teeth to fit a square peg in a round hole
- treating the American people like idiots
- complete lack of transparency.
This is a campaign devoid of judgment, character, integrity and ethics. Her only saving grace is that she is not as bad as Trump. But she is not far behind.
- lying through their teeth to fit a square peg in a round hole
- treating the American people like idiots
- complete lack of transparency.
This is a campaign devoid of judgment, character, integrity and ethics. Her only saving grace is that she is not as bad as Trump. But she is not far behind.
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How refreshing it would have been if Clinton had emerged from her daughter's apartment, faced the questions and said, Gosh, I'm exhausted, I stumbled, I'm human. Instead we got yet another example of the Clintonesque obfuscation and avoidance. She seems to have a mask so thick and firmly adhered that the parts of her that many of us would likely find attractive, appear totally inaccessible to the average citizen. I understand it, but still.
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Sometimes we need to have a bit of mercy on people. After all, which one of us, could have survived all the hate and lies thruster upon her and her family?
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At this point, does anyone really believe that anything that either candidate does, or yet will do, will change anyone's mind?
Sure, Hillary's health is a concern - but wasn't Reagan's and FDR's? I seriously doubt that anyone who hasn't already cast their decision in concrete will be swayed by her health issues, whatever they are. This is just red meat for the Trumpets to salivate over.
How about devoting some real journalism skills to confronting and exploding all the lies and empty claims of The Donald? When will his free ride in the media come to an end?
Sure, Hillary's health is a concern - but wasn't Reagan's and FDR's? I seriously doubt that anyone who hasn't already cast their decision in concrete will be swayed by her health issues, whatever they are. This is just red meat for the Trumpets to salivate over.
How about devoting some real journalism skills to confronting and exploding all the lies and empty claims of The Donald? When will his free ride in the media come to an end?
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Time will tell after she is in office. If she's out and about- making regular appearances and world travel; then all of this over speculation about her health is pointless. If she is elected, goes MIA and we are seeing and hearing more from Bill than Hillary- I would feel somewhat disappointed that we didn't get what we thought was inside the package.
As a physician, I won't comment on HRC's illness because it is impolite and improper to judge a persons health if you are not their health care provider. However, I do know that more Americans will have better access to healthcare and the overall health of our nation will be better if she is President.
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Stumbles is the new blacked-out!
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Where are Trumps taxes?
What are the daily details on the Trump U law suit?
What are the financial relationships between Trump's corporate entities and Russia?
Where are Trump's detailed medical records?
How many law suits has Trump settled?
How many vendors has Trump stiffed?
How many people has Trump intimidated with law suits?
How many lies has Trump told?
How many positions has he changed?
And the media has the unmitigated gaul to turn non-issues like this into headlines?
And the public has the stupidity to fall for it?
This is not some dumb reality TV show folks. Get your heads out of Twitter, Facebook, SnapChat, Instagram and the unending cavalcade of mindless TV programming and engage with the real issues in the real world.
I hope Hillary recovers quickly.
Personally, I am sick to death of what this nation has become and I don't think I'll be getting better any time soon ...
What are the daily details on the Trump U law suit?
What are the financial relationships between Trump's corporate entities and Russia?
Where are Trump's detailed medical records?
How many law suits has Trump settled?
How many vendors has Trump stiffed?
How many people has Trump intimidated with law suits?
How many lies has Trump told?
How many positions has he changed?
And the media has the unmitigated gaul to turn non-issues like this into headlines?
And the public has the stupidity to fall for it?
This is not some dumb reality TV show folks. Get your heads out of Twitter, Facebook, SnapChat, Instagram and the unending cavalcade of mindless TV programming and engage with the real issues in the real world.
I hope Hillary recovers quickly.
Personally, I am sick to death of what this nation has become and I don't think I'll be getting better any time soon ...
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Just a few words regarding concussions, pneumonia and other medical issues. In 1942, my great grandfather Forrest Aldrich Mills survived a ruthless Nazi attack that left him with serious medical injuries including a concussion, broken ribs, a severe laceration going down the side of his face just missing his jugular and loss of hearing in his left ear. Subsequently, after returning to our family home in Amagansett for a period of six months of rest and recuperation, he developed secondary but almost more severe medical problems related to a loss of balance and pneumonia which he never totally recovered from. Our family was told that the the concussion was the culprit and that he would never be the same. Against all odds he went on to serve in the Roosevelt Administration as a lead prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials. So much for all the pundits whispering about replacing Clinton. She will be fine!
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Hillary is tough, hard working, resilient; she will recover from pneumonia.
Trump, on the other hand, has permanent personality disorders of narcissism and delusions of grandeur.
Trump, on the other hand, has permanent personality disorders of narcissism and delusions of grandeur.
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"Are you suggesting a Kaine mutiny?"
Remember the scene from The Wizard of Oz in which the Wicked Witch of the West spells across the sky in smoke: "Surrender, Dorothy."
Tim Kaine would never admit to this, but I'll bet he has dreams of a slightly different message scrawled across the sky:
"Withdraw, Hillary!"
I have no doubt Tim Kaine would like to become Vice President. I also have no doubt he'd prefer to become President.
Remember the scene from The Wizard of Oz in which the Wicked Witch of the West spells across the sky in smoke: "Surrender, Dorothy."
Tim Kaine would never admit to this, but I'll bet he has dreams of a slightly different message scrawled across the sky:
"Withdraw, Hillary!"
I have no doubt Tim Kaine would like to become Vice President. I also have no doubt he'd prefer to become President.
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Wow... Claiming that she insulted cookie-baking mothers is so misogynistic. Yes, I'm a mom who occasionally bakes cookies etc. I wasn't insulted and I don't think it was a misstep. This is NOT the 1950s.
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We all are the employers of whoever gets elected President, so the two candidates are actually "interviewing" with us to get that job. I wonder how many of those claiming so strongly for health records of the two candidates (Clinton AND Trump) to be made public have shown up at their own jobs interviews with a copy of their own medical history on hand and gave their potential employer a copy of that. Drama, drama, drama!!! Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy!!! I feel a little bit of the dramatic posturing we all like so much in our country and a little bit of hypocrisy as well.
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Let's keep this clearly in mind:
"And the issue IS that she did collapse while attempting to get to the van."
Nobody's reacting to some baseless assertion by Donald Trump or Matt Drudge. They're reacting to what they saw with their own eyes in that video. She collapsed. Maybe there's a perfectly good explanation for that, but it's natural that we'd wonder about that.
"And the issue IS that she did collapse while attempting to get to the van."
Nobody's reacting to some baseless assertion by Donald Trump or Matt Drudge. They're reacting to what they saw with their own eyes in that video. She collapsed. Maybe there's a perfectly good explanation for that, but it's natural that we'd wonder about that.
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Trump, whom I support, said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue ( a big street, for you folks in flyover country) and his supporters would not care
Ms Clinton is a walking dragged zombie who avoids medical attention in a Tier One emergency facility and goes to recuperate in her daughter's apt
and it is all Trump's fault
sort of, like the last eight years are all Bush's fault
Ms Clinton is a walking dragged zombie who avoids medical attention in a Tier One emergency facility and goes to recuperate in her daughter's apt
and it is all Trump's fault
sort of, like the last eight years are all Bush's fault
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What is a Tier one Trauma center? A Level one trauma center is not used for colds, flu or this walking pneumonia either
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HRC, latest but surely not the last to fall from grace in this sickening "gotcha" presidential campaign. But hey, that's entertainment, that's the realpolitik of the moment. The corporate press, the tweeters, and the cable crazies are the prime enablers of this fall into a slimy abyss. Really kind of sad to see how destructive this election cycle has been. Can some good come out of it?
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There is a video of Hillary during a campaign stop on June 10th at a coffee shop in Washington, D.C. where she is appearing to suffer a seizure. A reporter who was there describes Mrs. Clinton's reaction to "shouted" questions as "respond(ing) with an exaggerated motion, shaking her head vigorously for a few seconds." Later the reporter denied seeing HRC having a seizure.
Like the cellphone video of Mrs. Clinton being put into the van at the 9/11 ceremony, it's upsetting to watch. As far as I'm aware, her campaign hasn't acknowledged or commented on that particular video and how it may or may not relate to her health.
Like the cellphone video of Mrs. Clinton being put into the van at the 9/11 ceremony, it's upsetting to watch. As far as I'm aware, her campaign hasn't acknowledged or commented on that particular video and how it may or may not relate to her health.
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Reddit nonsense. Did Dr, Google help you with all that?
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Associated Press reporter, nothing to do with Reddit.
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She did not have a "seizure"; she fainted due to the heat, humidity and standing at a 9/11 memorial service for hours. And, no reporter has remarked on Trump's belly hanging over his pants, or his red face and apparent breathing problems in front of a mic.
A portion of Trump's supporters SHOULD be put in the category of "basket of deplorables." Those that are racist, xenophobic, bigots, those that are members of the KKK, etc... They should all be put into that category. Clinton should not apologize for saying that! She should actually get up and repeat it.
Sorry, if you are supporting Trump, you are supporting those deplorable ideas and that aligns you with them... As my dad always used to say: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Sorry, if you are supporting Trump, you are supporting those deplorable ideas and that aligns you with them... As my dad always used to say: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
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And Hillary's husband also is a tennant in the basket of Deplorables, not because he manipulated a young woman to service his power list but because of his deplorable policies like using his pardon power to let Frank Rich off the hook for sellin arms to Iran during the hostage crisis and avoiding paying millions in taxes by leaving the US, he's a creep because of the lives ruined by his and Hillary's failed welfare policies and most certainly for NAFTA. They are a package deal'
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This is a moving article with truth buttressing its thesis. Regardless, I admire this woman tremendously. Her perseverance and her good will, her genuine interest in serving our nation and for her smarts, her kindness and her willingness to use her talents to do the right thing for others. I will not accept that people will misjudge her for falling ill. The people who believe in her, and they are legion, will stay put and continue to believe that sanity will win over fear, ugliness, misogyny and bigotry. Feel better Secretary Clinton! There are many millions of people who've got your back!!!
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The press demand for constant information is an invasion of privacy. This woman became ill and was taken to her daughter's place, not the hospital! Why is this noteworthy?! C'mon this is about selling papers and ad space, not news. No wonder we can't get better candidates for public office.
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Now make a big deal out of nothing once again.
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Clinton's supporters often insist we should focus on the "issues."
But Clinton flip-flops so much on the "issues" that maybe she's better off not redirecting our attention. For example, she's changed her position 180 degrees on gay marriage, the Keystone pipeline, and the TPP trade agreement. In perhaps the height of hypocrisy for a Presidential candidate, she recently warned an audience that Trump would nominate Supreme Court Justices who would reverse "marriage equality." She didn't mention that, if the Supreme Court did so (which, frankly, I can't imagine will occur), the Court would simply be supporting Clinton's own position on gay marriage prior to her 180-degree flip-flop on that issue.
Maybe talking about emails and health issues isn't helpful to Clinton, but it probably beats talking about the "issues."
But Clinton flip-flops so much on the "issues" that maybe she's better off not redirecting our attention. For example, she's changed her position 180 degrees on gay marriage, the Keystone pipeline, and the TPP trade agreement. In perhaps the height of hypocrisy for a Presidential candidate, she recently warned an audience that Trump would nominate Supreme Court Justices who would reverse "marriage equality." She didn't mention that, if the Supreme Court did so (which, frankly, I can't imagine will occur), the Court would simply be supporting Clinton's own position on gay marriage prior to her 180-degree flip-flop on that issue.
Maybe talking about emails and health issues isn't helpful to Clinton, but it probably beats talking about the "issues."
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Big deal. She's 68 years old and like the human among us, ignored her symptoms and like the human of us, she's not getting any younger.
(((Shrug)))
I'm more concerned with trump's personality disorder and his mental decline. He's no spring chicken, eats fast food, and is at least 40lbs overweight.
(((Shrug)))
I'm more concerned with trump's personality disorder and his mental decline. He's no spring chicken, eats fast food, and is at least 40lbs overweight.
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Sorry, but I don't buy that Hillary was supposed to immediately tell the world that she was taking antibiotics for a potential case of pneumonia (doctors are rarely sure about the diagnosis). Obviously she got worse on Sunday in the heat, but to blame her for delaying in telling the press is nonsense. If we find out that Trump is taking Viagra, I hope the press hounds him for not revealing potential heart issues which is a feature of erectile dysfunction--but I wouldn't count on it.
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Geesh- where do you people get your medical information, antway?
At this point in the campaign, I recall Bill Clinton as being chronically hoarse. Barack Obama too. Running for President will take its toll on the most healthy. Get well soon.
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Quite a few years ago I took my oldest child to the doctor where he was diagnosed with pneumonia. The pediatrician asked when my appointment was and wouldn't let me leave the medical building until I had a chest x-ray. They told me that I was way worse and that maybe they would admit me to the hospital. I told them that I was too busy to be sick. A few days of antibiotics later I was fine. People get sick! People under relentless pressure get sick. Then they get better and life goes on. This is a ridiculous amount of scrutiny and double standard.
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You're completely missing the point.
Completely.
Completely.
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One again there is no false balance. Just the Times and the rest of the Media going wild without benefit of actual facts. The cable "news" channel repeat the same speculation and reality free words over and over. The rest of the Media races to catch up with the phony story.
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But of course, you who concern themselves with a temporary illness are so perfect.
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As Ta Nehisi Coates pointed out, Hillary has been endlessly pilloried for being less than truthful. When she is actually truthful about the bigotry of Trump supporters, and polling data exists on those supporters to back up her assertions, members of the media take to their fainting couches. What is it you want from her exactly? Because it certainly doesn't seem to be truthfulness.
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Ms. Dominus you say, "she famously insulted all those cookie-baking mothers of the world; there was a gap between her and everywoman". No, she did not insult this mother and I voted for Bill because we also got the brilliant Hillary. She's only gotten better, smarter, more experienced, more seasoned, more courageous, more dedicated.
The American press is now the American paparazzi. There are so many stories to be told and many important events taking place that will have great impact on Americans. Her stumble was not one and wouldn't even have been mentioned if she were male. It's ludicrous and insulting.
The American press is now the American paparazzi. There are so many stories to be told and many important events taking place that will have great impact on Americans. Her stumble was not one and wouldn't even have been mentioned if she were male. It's ludicrous and insulting.
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I couldn't do what Hillary does. I have always been agoraphobic. I would faint in a hot church where you had to stand during mass. If I leave in time, I am fine-otherwise I faint. I am a very healthy person in every other respect. FDR and JFK wouldn't survive the scrutiny of todays media. Being ill, what choice did she have? It was better to try to slog through without causing the predictable knee jerk response, but she got faint.
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Who did what when she fell ill?
When someone gets wobbly, your instinct is to help them stand up. But medically speaking, it's best for them to lay down and to elevate their feet so they can get blood to their head. This is not obvious unless you're trained or you've been through it.
I learned this the hard way, helping a loved one. I just wonder who, if anyone, was around to look past the politics and provide immediate medical assistance to the Democratic nominee. And I mean immediate.
When someone gets wobbly, your instinct is to help them stand up. But medically speaking, it's best for them to lay down and to elevate their feet so they can get blood to their head. This is not obvious unless you're trained or you've been through it.
I learned this the hard way, helping a loved one. I just wonder who, if anyone, was around to look past the politics and provide immediate medical assistance to the Democratic nominee. And I mean immediate.
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The Secret Service was not about to put a Presidential candidate on a dirty public sidewalk.
The rigors of our ridiculous electoral process, one that runs close to three years instead of a sensible three or four months, not only costs insane amounts of money but demands an almost impossible amount of energy from the candidates. I'm surprised they all don't simply drop. We watch presidents age before our eyes due to the stress and strain of office. Likewise, a newly elected president seems to spend half of the term keeping the job instead of doing it. Among all the things we need desperately to change, the process of electing our representatives in government is high on the list, starting with campaign finance reform.
As for Hillary Clinton's health, Donald Trump is clearly mentally impaired and incompetent but it doesn't seem to bother the press. In fact, it's what attracts him to his few fringe supporters. Let the woman rest and recover. She'll be fine. As for Trump? I'm not sure how anyone goes about fixing that. Long, intensive, possibly radical therapy. But he may be too old at this point to make any real progress in the time he has left.
So: vote for someone who had a lung infection (who I occasionally disagree with politically) or for someone who is maniacally deranged (who I disagree with across the board--about all things)? It's still a pretty easy call.
As for Hillary Clinton's health, Donald Trump is clearly mentally impaired and incompetent but it doesn't seem to bother the press. In fact, it's what attracts him to his few fringe supporters. Let the woman rest and recover. She'll be fine. As for Trump? I'm not sure how anyone goes about fixing that. Long, intensive, possibly radical therapy. But he may be too old at this point to make any real progress in the time he has left.
So: vote for someone who had a lung infection (who I occasionally disagree with politically) or for someone who is maniacally deranged (who I disagree with across the board--about all things)? It's still a pretty easy call.
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Why is Secretary Clinton under "enormous pressure" to release her medical records and Donald Trump is under no pressure to release his tax returns? Double standard much?
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Because her health is now an issue. Everyone saw her pass out in the middle of the day.
The IRS has Trump tax returns. You do not have to lose sleep over him cheating them. The IRA knows how to figure out taxes better than you do.
The IRS has Trump tax returns. You do not have to lose sleep over him cheating them. The IRA knows how to figure out taxes better than you do.
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The coverup always gets them.
And the explanations do her no service. Misogyny, give me a break. She and her team and feminist always looking for a misogyny angle are their own worst enemy. For most of the time during the campaign, frankly, she has looked poorly, unhealthy. I say that because compared to the way she presented as secretary of state, when she looked healthy and strong, she has looked unhealthy as Hilary Clinton, human being. If a man looked as poorly as she has, relative to his prior appearance, it would be an issue too. Trump has been constantly lambasted for his appearance, no one says that is misandry, they say it is a sign of vanity and a fragile ego. By covering up whatever health issues she has, serious or minor, they have made it into a big deal, it would be the same for a man.
Like I said, it is always the coverup that gets them. Claiming it is misogyny only makes it seem feeble.
And the explanations do her no service. Misogyny, give me a break. She and her team and feminist always looking for a misogyny angle are their own worst enemy. For most of the time during the campaign, frankly, she has looked poorly, unhealthy. I say that because compared to the way she presented as secretary of state, when she looked healthy and strong, she has looked unhealthy as Hilary Clinton, human being. If a man looked as poorly as she has, relative to his prior appearance, it would be an issue too. Trump has been constantly lambasted for his appearance, no one says that is misandry, they say it is a sign of vanity and a fragile ego. By covering up whatever health issues she has, serious or minor, they have made it into a big deal, it would be the same for a man.
Like I said, it is always the coverup that gets them. Claiming it is misogyny only makes it seem feeble.
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Ooooooohhh ....... a cover-up! Another one! So exciting.
And what crime's she accused of this time? Right, getting sick.
And what crime's she accused of this time? Right, getting sick.
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Did anyone wake up during the night last night like I did worrying about Hillary? Heaven help us if anything bad befalls her. Hillary sick is better than Trump healthy.
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I am becoming a bit annoyed, and perplexed, by all these posts by HRC supporters making light of pneumonia, which kills people--especially senior citizens with health issues, and HRC is both of those. I've also never known a single person who became dehydrated and passed out. Not one. So shrugging that off as well is silly. She's lost consciousness more than once, and we know that one time she hit her head, developed a blood clot because of it, and her husband said her recovery was a rough six months. So much for learning from experience.
Hillary Clinton is not a well woman, and you can drag out all the old saws about Lincoln and FDR and even JFK, but if they were running today and their medical conditions were known, they wouldn't be elected. As others have pointed out, the presidency is an extremely taxing, ageing job. This country does NOT need to elect someone who's going to be invalided a year into it, plunging the country into yet more disarray. It is not fair to us, period.
So it is entirely appropriate to demand full disclosure not by the chief candidates, since both are liars, but independent board-certified internists and specialists (cardiology and neurology, at minimum), who should examine BOTH candidates and publish EVERY WORD OF THEIR FINDINGS. Do the VPs as well while we're at it. THEN we can put the questions to rest, or demand further tests and second opinions.
Hillary Clinton is not a well woman, and you can drag out all the old saws about Lincoln and FDR and even JFK, but if they were running today and their medical conditions were known, they wouldn't be elected. As others have pointed out, the presidency is an extremely taxing, ageing job. This country does NOT need to elect someone who's going to be invalided a year into it, plunging the country into yet more disarray. It is not fair to us, period.
So it is entirely appropriate to demand full disclosure not by the chief candidates, since both are liars, but independent board-certified internists and specialists (cardiology and neurology, at minimum), who should examine BOTH candidates and publish EVERY WORD OF THEIR FINDINGS. Do the VPs as well while we're at it. THEN we can put the questions to rest, or demand further tests and second opinions.
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May come as a surprise to Ms. Dominus but most adults (outside of Glamour readers) don't pay much attention to how things are manipulated or managed. A candidate is ill. She has pneumonia. Sontag's metaphorical view of illness reminds me of Foucaults view of mental illness as a mechanism for control. I think most adults understand these things and are put off by them.
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"This could lead to a graceful segue out of the campaign. Now THAT would take guts and strength."
Now would be the time for that. This isn't likely to boost her poll numbers, which already were sinking. As is often said, "Any Democrat could beat Trump," but that may be changed soon to "Any Democrat except Hillary Clinton can beat Trump."
Do the Democrats want to win this election, or do they only want to win it if Hillary Clinton wins? At this point, Kaine looks like a better bet, and nobody but Clinton herself is responsible for this mess.
Now would be the time for that. This isn't likely to boost her poll numbers, which already were sinking. As is often said, "Any Democrat could beat Trump," but that may be changed soon to "Any Democrat except Hillary Clinton can beat Trump."
Do the Democrats want to win this election, or do they only want to win it if Hillary Clinton wins? At this point, Kaine looks like a better bet, and nobody but Clinton herself is responsible for this mess.
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Everyone has an "off" day. For Hillary it is just more unusual and therefore major news.
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I couldn't care less what Trump says about Clinton's health:
"Why do you in the media keep buying into Donald Trump's narrative? He says Hillary is sick or weak..."
It's not what Trump says -- it's what we see with our own eyes. Maybe her explanations (allergies (coughing) and pneumonia (fainting) -- are correct), but it's natural for voters to wonder.
I didn't start wondering when Trump (or Drudge) starting questioning Clinton's health. I started wondering when I saw videos of her two coughing fits last week and her fainting this week. If the very same things had happened to Trump -- or happen to him in the future -- I'll wonder about him too.
"Why do you in the media keep buying into Donald Trump's narrative? He says Hillary is sick or weak..."
It's not what Trump says -- it's what we see with our own eyes. Maybe her explanations (allergies (coughing) and pneumonia (fainting) -- are correct), but it's natural for voters to wonder.
I didn't start wondering when Trump (or Drudge) starting questioning Clinton's health. I started wondering when I saw videos of her two coughing fits last week and her fainting this week. If the very same things had happened to Trump -- or happen to him in the future -- I'll wonder about him too.
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What kind of life is this ,if we have to do a pedant , meticulous scan of the temporary fragile gait of a woman, zooming from behind and without her knowledge, every single step she has to take to reach a metallic leaden curtain of separation from our ,intrusive gaze ? It is this "privacy" ? The door of a black van? What we are trying to prove that you do not already know ? That fragility exists, as there is a strength and we have to face it every day, without seeking escape in the darkness of a van.
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When someone loses consciousness, like Hillary did, she should have been brought to a hospital. It was clear from the video that her feet were limp and dragging behind. There is clearly an effort to cover up, which is disturbing. My main concern is this trend continues and culminates with some calamitous event, a fall, hospitalization. This is not the end of it. Bad judgement.
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It is physically very tough being a presidential candidate, period. Anyone can get ill with pneumonia, and suffer. I saw a friend of mine who runs 100 mile races reduced to tears and a heap on a sidewalk once when she got hit with bi-lateral pneumonia, and she was much younger than her 60s. Give the woman a break. Who wants to trumpet her medical history to the world? Do you? And don't say, well, I'm not running for president. It's only "president", not god.
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Once and a while I can't resist entering into the spirit of this campaign:
The Russian secret services are known to have injected people opposing them with toxins. How come the conspiracy theorists aren't proposing that Putin, with the encouragement of Trump, are not only hacking Democratic computers but doing their best to give them hacking coughs, if not worse?
The Russian secret services are known to have injected people opposing them with toxins. How come the conspiracy theorists aren't proposing that Putin, with the encouragement of Trump, are not only hacking Democratic computers but doing their best to give them hacking coughs, if not worse?
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Yes, Mrs. Clinton will be under pressure as President of the United States, should she be accorded that privilege by US voters. But is it not a little hypocritical for the rest of us to assume that she (or Mr. Trump, or any other prospective world leader) must somehow be "superhuman" and, therefore, less susceptible to disease and stress than the rest of us?
What strikes me as remarkable about all this is the degree to which journalists, in their rush to be "objective" and "vigilant" regarding Mrs. Clinton and the other candidates is that they forget, in the end, that these are p-e-o-p-l-e we are talking about.
Could she and her team have been more forthcoming? Perhaps, although if I had been subjected to decades of harsh scrutiny, as Mrs. Clinton has been, I might be equally sceptical about the benefits of being "open" always about e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g I do.
What strikes me as remarkable about all this is the degree to which journalists, in their rush to be "objective" and "vigilant" regarding Mrs. Clinton and the other candidates is that they forget, in the end, that these are p-e-o-p-l-e we are talking about.
Could she and her team have been more forthcoming? Perhaps, although if I had been subjected to decades of harsh scrutiny, as Mrs. Clinton has been, I might be equally sceptical about the benefits of being "open" always about e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g I do.
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surely she's entitled to some privacy regarding a temporary illness that is not going to affect her ability to be president?
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I think of Paul Tsongas, when asked in the primaries what would happen if his cancer returned if he were president. Tsongas disarmed the issue by saying we would have a president with cancer. Had the Clinton campaign made a statement after her prognosis on Friday that she had pneumonia and would be resting for few days, she would have disarmed the health issue. The only complaining would've come from those who wouldn't vote for her anyway. Now, the issue is less her health than her penchant for secrecy. One more self-inflicted wound.
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Ad nauseam .......another gasp.....another shudder....another tabloid bit....
Hillary has pneumonia.....and she needs to rest....her routine is just too
rugged...and so ....this is not serious...
Look at all the candidates who have not been covered by this newspaper...who
are very capable of being President and Vice-President.
the exception obviously is Donald J. Trump...who is simply giving the papers
and all the TV media...ratings for his very tabloid behavior.
How would it be if some of the worthy candidates now running could be
covered....and not disdained...or cut off in mid sentence...like Gary Johnson
who very coherently explained his mis understanding of Aleppo...on Morning
Joe...and was cut off ...by Joe Scarborough...just so this could be mis understood as ...Johnson is stupid...or today when cut off by Neil Cavutto for
the same reason...
Media is making a mess of this Presidential campaign...to get viewership..
and the only candidate...is now sick.
The Media like this...paper...better get on track ....or Trump will be left to
trash us all.
Hillary has pneumonia.....and she needs to rest....her routine is just too
rugged...and so ....this is not serious...
Look at all the candidates who have not been covered by this newspaper...who
are very capable of being President and Vice-President.
the exception obviously is Donald J. Trump...who is simply giving the papers
and all the TV media...ratings for his very tabloid behavior.
How would it be if some of the worthy candidates now running could be
covered....and not disdained...or cut off in mid sentence...like Gary Johnson
who very coherently explained his mis understanding of Aleppo...on Morning
Joe...and was cut off ...by Joe Scarborough...just so this could be mis understood as ...Johnson is stupid...or today when cut off by Neil Cavutto for
the same reason...
Media is making a mess of this Presidential campaign...to get viewership..
and the only candidate...is now sick.
The Media like this...paper...better get on track ....or Trump will be left to
trash us all.
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The Friday before the Sept. 11 event, Clinton made yet another misstep, saying that some portion of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorables.” (she actually said half).
"Deplorables" is not a word in the Mirriam Webster dictionary.
"Basket of Deplorables" are Secretary Clinton's code words for middle class workers who were displaced by the predatory trade agreements that enriched Tech, Wall Street and the Banks from whom she is fund raising. She shows total contempt for working people.
"Deplorables" is not a word in the Mirriam Webster dictionary.
"Basket of Deplorables" are Secretary Clinton's code words for middle class workers who were displaced by the predatory trade agreements that enriched Tech, Wall Street and the Banks from whom she is fund raising. She shows total contempt for working people.
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So when will donald give his records? The NYT staff has never been ill? I have.
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Trump is releasing his medical records on Thursday
Trump's father suffered from Alzheimer's disease for the last six years of his life. Alzheimer's can be genetically inherited. Shouldn't we know more about Trump's health? Why not some genetic tests to see if he has any genes that are related to Alzheimer's? Perhaps the results might shed some light on his many strange behaviors....
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Depends!
Sadly, people do not believe Clinton or her campaign. They believe their own eyes. The two rarely match.
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It could be she would have liked to stay home and rest. However the GOP would have had a field day if she had not attended the 9/11 Memorial--"Hillary Hates America!", "Hillary Loves Terrorists!" So she really had to go, ill or not.
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Before the age of the Internet, candidates probably kept a lot of health problems to themselves. It was easier then to keep things secret. Franklin Roosevelt could not walk. Kennedy had Addison's disease. Eisenhower had heart problems. Reagan had the beginning symptoms of Alzheimer's. Yet somehow they campaigned and won the Presidency. Is Mr. Trump as hale and hearty as he appears?
Now here's Hillary - - the first woman candidate. Is she strong enough? Is she tough enough? Is she hiding a health concern? If so, would that affect her ability to lead? My opinion is that Clinton is just fine for the job. Its grueling, but she can obviously handle the schedule. In fact, if she were blind in one eye, crippled, partially deaf, and had diabetes I would vote for her anyway. She has got what it takes to become President, no matter if she has "allergies" or a bout of walking pneumonia.
Now here's Hillary - - the first woman candidate. Is she strong enough? Is she tough enough? Is she hiding a health concern? If so, would that affect her ability to lead? My opinion is that Clinton is just fine for the job. Its grueling, but she can obviously handle the schedule. In fact, if she were blind in one eye, crippled, partially deaf, and had diabetes I would vote for her anyway. She has got what it takes to become President, no matter if she has "allergies" or a bout of walking pneumonia.
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How funny that Trump apologists and deniers always forget to mention that Trump has not released his medical information, has not released his taxes, has not revealed anything about who he does business with, who he owes money or favors to. He says he's involved in charities but so far noone has found any specific information on that.
And according to this story, he arranged his own charity organization so he could spend other people's money. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-retooled-his-ch...
Clinton has been 100% forthcoming with medical, tax, and other information -- yet we see no info from Candidate Trump. Who is Donald J Trump and allegiances and debts and commitments does he have?
And according to this story, he arranged his own charity organization so he could spend other people's money. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-retooled-his-ch...
Clinton has been 100% forthcoming with medical, tax, and other information -- yet we see no info from Candidate Trump. Who is Donald J Trump and allegiances and debts and commitments does he have?
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There's no 25th Amendment issue. She's not in office. She's not suffering from a deadly disease. Clearly, she's not Woodrow Wilson, incapacitated and not telling anyone. She became ill. The only fault I see is why a person her age would not have taken the pneumonia vaccine, which would certainly be prudent for someone over 65.
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She may have had the vaccine...and she has also been spending weeks shaking hands in crowds, riding in airplanes, etc. The vaccine doesn't guarantee 100% immunity. I wish she had sipped water during the long ceremony, this never would have happened!
The vaccine is only for one type of pneumonia.
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Except that you have zero idea what pathogen is causing the problem. The vaccine is to prevent Pneumococcal pneumonia
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In another article in the Times today I read:
"Hillary is sick, but she had two days of activities after she was diagnosed, so she’s not that sick,” said Dr. Paul A. Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children’s Hospital in Philadelphia.
If this happened to Trump, would he be referred to as "Donald"? If it happened to her husband, would it be "Bill"?
Disrespect and disregard of women runs very deep in our society. Properly, she is Secretary Clinton, Ms., or even Mrs. Clinton. To refer to her as Hillary" is degrading.
"Hillary is sick, but she had two days of activities after she was diagnosed, so she’s not that sick,” said Dr. Paul A. Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children’s Hospital in Philadelphia.
If this happened to Trump, would he be referred to as "Donald"? If it happened to her husband, would it be "Bill"?
Disrespect and disregard of women runs very deep in our society. Properly, she is Secretary Clinton, Ms., or even Mrs. Clinton. To refer to her as Hillary" is degrading.
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Elizabeth:
People refer to her as Hillary, because that's what she prefers.
Please visit her website and count how many times it says "Hillary" vs. Secretary, Ms., or Mrs. (Hint: It's about 100 to 0). She made a conscious marketing decision (a good one, I think) to create a more approachable, intimate persona to appeal to prospective voters.
No disrespect...just a marketing message that worked.
Viewing the term "Hillary" as sexist disrespect seems to prove the saying that "whenever you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
People refer to her as Hillary, because that's what she prefers.
Please visit her website and count how many times it says "Hillary" vs. Secretary, Ms., or Mrs. (Hint: It's about 100 to 0). She made a conscious marketing decision (a good one, I think) to create a more approachable, intimate persona to appeal to prospective voters.
No disrespect...just a marketing message that worked.
Viewing the term "Hillary" as sexist disrespect seems to prove the saying that "whenever you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
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We refer to children by their first names regardless of who their parents are because they haven't earned the due respect of society by their own accomplishments. Seems fitting to refer to Her as HILLARY since she would be no one if she hadn't married well and has accomplished precious little in her bequeathed roles.
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How ironic that you would call the inflatable doll misogynistic - only to follow it up with your own statement that she is the "Iron Woman, who stumbles but never falls."
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At 68 years of age, I've seen my share of presidential campaigns and I haven't seen a perfect candidate yet. Hillary is another in a long string of imperfects. But, watching this campaign and seeing the double standard applied to the two candidates is appalling. Trump bullies reporters, bases his campaign on lies and innuendo and gets a pass. Despite her accomplishments and qualifications Hillary is subject to the unequal scrutiny that plagues most women who try to enter the traditional male dominated arena. In this case media is not acting in service to the truth. It's acts like a shark in the water attacking when they smell the slightest drop of blood.
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I've almost fainted from dehydration due to heat exhaustion before and I consider myself physically fit in good condition. And this wasn't with any type of infection which will intensify the giddiness. A few hours later with fluids and rest you feel a 100% better. Pretty much what happened to Mrs Clinton. And of course it gets worse with age.
Trump is substantially overweight and judging from what I see him eat on TV he's a walking time bomb for a stroke or heart attack.
Trump is substantially overweight and judging from what I see him eat on TV he's a walking time bomb for a stroke or heart attack.
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There were a total of zero instances of 'overheating' @ the entire hours-long event,according to officials on site. She's setting up an excuse-filled exit from this campaign.
1
Ultimately, I am less concerned by her physical sickness than her moral one.
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It appears to me that all the news media are getting bullied by Trump; they are too scared of pressing him on his tax returns, too scared to get details on his policies, and too scared to find out what he means by good negotiator. The same outlets are too aggressive when if comes to Clinton but with Trump they are too happy to part with their lunch money.
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Hear hear!
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Since reporters are, um, stumbling over each other to become today's quoted media star with the definitive spin on this story (really, still with baking cookies?) let me suggest this:
On September 11, 2001, Hillary Clnton represented New York in the United States Senate. She flew up here with a FEMA team, rushed downtown, where she witnessed first responders crawling over the filming rubble, digging for survivors.
In addition to fighting for funds to help those brave people as their health deteriorated from the toxic fumes, she fought for funds to rebuild lower Manhattan, visited the badly injured in hospitals, quietly followed up with responders and families to understand and advocate for their needs.
On Friday, she was given a diagnosis of pneumonia. With a 2- day trip scheduled to Californis next week she could have used Sunday as a day off to rest in bed, but she wanted to be there, at Ground Zero, quietly, not as a photo op but to honor the victims, families, and first responders whom she grew to know so well.
Standing there, in a suit, in the heat, without fluids, she experienced a moment of syncope, which she would have avoided if she had stayed at home in bed-- but her heart was with those being honored at Ground Zero. She had to be there. What a strong, devoted friend!
On September 11, 2001, Hillary Clnton represented New York in the United States Senate. She flew up here with a FEMA team, rushed downtown, where she witnessed first responders crawling over the filming rubble, digging for survivors.
In addition to fighting for funds to help those brave people as their health deteriorated from the toxic fumes, she fought for funds to rebuild lower Manhattan, visited the badly injured in hospitals, quietly followed up with responders and families to understand and advocate for their needs.
On Friday, she was given a diagnosis of pneumonia. With a 2- day trip scheduled to Californis next week she could have used Sunday as a day off to rest in bed, but she wanted to be there, at Ground Zero, quietly, not as a photo op but to honor the victims, families, and first responders whom she grew to know so well.
Standing there, in a suit, in the heat, without fluids, she experienced a moment of syncope, which she would have avoided if she had stayed at home in bed-- but her heart was with those being honored at Ground Zero. She had to be there. What a strong, devoted friend!
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Perhaps if she had taken the day off on Saturday, she would have been fine for Sunday. And why in the world would her aids, including her nurse (yes, she is trailed by a nurse), have a Poland Spring bottle for her?
what flavor kool aide was it?
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RE: but her heart was with those being honored at Ground Zero. She had to be there. What a strong, devoted friend!
Just like Trump she wanted a photo op.
Just like Trump she wanted a photo op.
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"The Friday before the Sept. 11 event, Clinton made yet another misstep, saying that some portion of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorables.” And given her reputation, deserved or not, for secrecy and untrustworthiness, delaying revealing the truth was a risky strategy"
Yet another misstep... For not trumpeting to the world she had a respiratory infection. I am so tired of this witch hunt. I can't imagine how the writer of this piece doesn't feel ridiculous. I wince at the triangulation that passes for journalism.
Yet another misstep... For not trumpeting to the world she had a respiratory infection. I am so tired of this witch hunt. I can't imagine how the writer of this piece doesn't feel ridiculous. I wince at the triangulation that passes for journalism.
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Am I the only one who thinks that a double standard is being applied nonstop to Hillary? I'll take her as she is over the amazingly healthy you've never seen anyone like him Donald. Where are his tax returns anyway? I'm much more interested in those than in Hillary's medical records.
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How about the Foundation returns. You know the ones she had to refile to note the foreign donors she was trying to hide.
1
It is absolutely a double standard. Trump calls people 'lying' or 'little' or 'cheating' (and it goes on) yet in one moment of frustration 'basket of deplorables' is the most horrific insult. Hillary had it wrong, it's not a half basket of deplorables, the entire basket has gone bad.
3
How do we know it really is pneumonia?
14
We are getting the presidential candidates we deserve. Stop watching television, stay off all social media. It will get better.
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"And yet, even after years of those missteps, Clinton has always somehow righted herself."
Oh, of course...which is why only two thirds of Americans don't trust her!
Oh, of course...which is why only two thirds of Americans don't trust her!
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Hillary does not simply have a case of pneumonia. She almost collapsed (seizure is more like it) and had to be lifted into the van. She was taken to her daughter's place and then miraculously appeared a short time later "feeling great". Ha! I'm not saying she shouldn't be the Democratic presidential candidate- but it's not a simple case of pneumonia. One does not go from being surrounded by secret service and lifted into a van to ballerina status in a matter of hours. That's nonsense.
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Did Dr. Google help you with that diagnosis?
3
I'd like to have some of whatever Chelsea has at her apartment.
1
People who are dehydrated faint. That's apparently what happened here. Don't make it worse than it is.
The woman is powering through illness to campaign and try to lead us.
What have you done lately for the greater good?
The woman is powering through illness to campaign and try to lead us.
What have you done lately for the greater good?
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Maybe Hillary is pivoting to pick off the other basket of Trump supporters: those disaffected and economically adrift?
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I'd rather have her problem than Trump's. His kind of sickness won't respond to a few days rest and a short course of antibiotics. Or much of anything else.
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It wasn't the illness or the falling or the stumbling or whatever.
It was her campaign lying to the public about it and saying she was just "overheated" instead of just saying she had pneumonia. And then she had her pic taken with a little girl after telling people she felt great or whatever.
You can argue the semantics, but you can't argue how millions of Americans reacted. People feel lied to, misled and condescended to.
It was her campaign lying to the public about it and saying she was just "overheated" instead of just saying she had pneumonia. And then she had her pic taken with a little girl after telling people she felt great or whatever.
You can argue the semantics, but you can't argue how millions of Americans reacted. People feel lied to, misled and condescended to.
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By your standards she needs to inform us if she has gas too! She was a bit run down, got pneumonia but was trying to keep her schedule until she couldn't because she is paranoid about being called a weak girl and she is driven to win. A lot of people work with infections and soldier through the day. Trump says he couldn't go to Vietnam because of heel Spurs. Wah wah!
90 minutes, we needed to wait. Come on.
The millions of Americans of which you speak are very likely Donald Trump supporters to begin with and so their minds very likely haven't been changed on Hillary Clinton. There are just as many millions of us Americans who don't feel lied to, misled or condescended to by the Clinton campaign's delay in revealing the pneumonia diagnosis - it's just not that big of a deal when one considers what's truly important when deciding who to vote for in November. What makes me I feel lied to, misled and taken for a fool is Donald Trump's persisting refusal to disclose his income tax returns, explain any of his domestic or international policy details or tell his millions of fellow Americans exactly how he's going to create all those millions of jobs he's been promising.
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I really find it amazing how fixated the television media, talking heads and political pundits are solely on Hillary Clinton's heath transparency, in relation to Donald Trump.
Hillary Clinton has been more transparent on not only her health, but in every issue, and aspect of her public or private life by umpteen fold than Donald Trump has been on anything, period!
I'm sure when it is all said and done, Hillary will be more than forthright about her transparency on her health.
What the real question or mystery will be, is whether the televised media, journalist and political pundits hold Donald Trump to that same standard?
So far, the answer has been a resounding NO, when it comes to Donald Trump's transparency regarding his business practices, taxes, charitable giving or non-giving, indebtedness to Chinese and foreign banks, or medical history.
When Trump produced a letter from his doctor that looks and is worded exactly as Donald Trump wrote it for him and just had the doctor sign it, it is barely a blip on the screen.
I think it is long over due that the media really focus on the Trump and his lack of transparency, Trump's lack of accountability is astounding and this election and outcome is too important to let a grifter be elected to ruin this country.
Hillary Clinton has been more transparent on not only her health, but in every issue, and aspect of her public or private life by umpteen fold than Donald Trump has been on anything, period!
I'm sure when it is all said and done, Hillary will be more than forthright about her transparency on her health.
What the real question or mystery will be, is whether the televised media, journalist and political pundits hold Donald Trump to that same standard?
So far, the answer has been a resounding NO, when it comes to Donald Trump's transparency regarding his business practices, taxes, charitable giving or non-giving, indebtedness to Chinese and foreign banks, or medical history.
When Trump produced a letter from his doctor that looks and is worded exactly as Donald Trump wrote it for him and just had the doctor sign it, it is barely a blip on the screen.
I think it is long over due that the media really focus on the Trump and his lack of transparency, Trump's lack of accountability is astounding and this election and outcome is too important to let a grifter be elected to ruin this country.
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Absolutely. That letter should have been the object of as much talk as this is. The press wasn't interested despite falling for a letter that wouldn't fool a teacher if a 2nd grader wrote it and claimed it was from his mother.
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This article begs for constructive criticism. As an RN I am very much concerned about anyone with Hillary's condition, and I wish her a speedy recovery. However, with her illness being withheld from the public as it was, as well as making her news detail wait following her collapse for over 90 minutes to learn the truth, doesn't bode well for her honesty nor that of her team. It creates further suspicions about her health being more than what we've been told thus far.
Using Donald Trump as a scapegoat here is also less than honest by the author of this article. As a woman, I am more concerned about the integrity of a candidate, and how this unfortunate situation was handled by both Hillary and her team leaves me with far more questions than answers. Covering over Hillary's flaws as a person and a candidate will not fool the public at large.
Using Donald Trump as a scapegoat here is also less than honest by the author of this article. As a woman, I am more concerned about the integrity of a candidate, and how this unfortunate situation was handled by both Hillary and her team leaves me with far more questions than answers. Covering over Hillary's flaws as a person and a candidate will not fool the public at large.
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As an RN, you're probably familiar with the HIPPAA act that values health privacy to such an extent that if a doctor or hospital or nurse reveals a patient's diagnoses or medical history, they are breaking the law.
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I doubt very much you are an RN.
Because any RN that I know would not be giving Donald Trump a free pass.
But, I guess you think a half page letter written in the span of five minutes while riding in a limo from an ethically-challenged doctor proclaming that Donald Trump is the healthiest man alive fits your bill for full disclosure, doesn't it, Jeannemarie?
Because any RN that I know would not be giving Donald Trump a free pass.
But, I guess you think a half page letter written in the span of five minutes while riding in a limo from an ethically-challenged doctor proclaming that Donald Trump is the healthiest man alive fits your bill for full disclosure, doesn't it, Jeannemarie?
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If you are an RN, then you know that you have no business weighing in on something you do not have all the facts for, much less ever having actually assessed her yourself. Of course it is little different tack than the newly minted Internet MDs, but same nonsense.
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God forbids she human!
Full disclosure... Sure! I need to see Trump's taxes for the last 10 years!
Because you all know "for the same way you judge other, you will be judge and with the measure you used, it will be measured to you..."
The Trump followers keep counting her sins like if that makes Trump a Saint...
Full disclosure... Sure! I need to see Trump's taxes for the last 10 years!
Because you all know "for the same way you judge other, you will be judge and with the measure you used, it will be measured to you..."
The Trump followers keep counting her sins like if that makes Trump a Saint...
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The only reason you want to see Trump's tax returns is so you can scream at point at the rich guy. We already know he is rich and his returns get completely and thoroughly audited by the IRS. If they pass that muster, then it is no business of yours or mine. Just like your tax return and mine.
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She looked unconscious to me as she was put into the waiting vehicle. I keep reading and hearing in the news that she stumbled off a curb on a hot and humid day. This is not really true at all. If someone didn't capture this video we probably would know nothing of her pneumonia. Her health is of less concern to me than the secrecy that shrouds her world.
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We would not have learned about this if it was not for the video. The initial reports indicates that she walked to and got into the vehicle without any assistance. The media were forced to report the truth after the video surfaced.
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And 95% of the thinking world cries AMEN. #orwell
The article overstates it's point and ends up supporting the frame Trump has imposed on the picture.
Consider political correctness. Trump has normalized it for him but if the other candidate speaks the truth then...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/opinion/pariahs-for-donald-trump.html
Consider political correctness. Trump has normalized it for him but if the other candidate speaks the truth then...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/opinion/pariahs-for-donald-trump.html
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Trump's framing (really Ailes and the rest of Fox News) has been the only framing the media wants to use.
I don't understand why they are so determined to elect Trump,
I don't understand why they are so determined to elect Trump,
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She is taking medications for a thyroid issue and coumadin for blood clots (which can cause a stroke, both mini and severe, effecting ones mental state).
And the issue IS that she did collapse while attempting to get to the van.
Let's hope that this is not the underlying health issue...but it does bring questions...she did not look well even after leaving her daughters apt.
And the issue IS that she did collapse while attempting to get to the van.
Let's hope that this is not the underlying health issue...but it does bring questions...she did not look well even after leaving her daughters apt.
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Many people her age take those very same medications and as shocking as that is, they still have a great minds and are even capable of being POTUS.
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SHE has pneumonia....Have you ever had it?
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Jon W:
"...she did not look well even after leaving her daughters apt."
Of course she didn't look well after leaving her daughter's apt; she still had pneumonia!
"...she did not look well even after leaving her daughters apt."
Of course she didn't look well after leaving her daughter's apt; she still had pneumonia!
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Good grief the woman has pneumonia....can't anyone give her a break?
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If she cared about the country and its future, this would be the time for her to bow out gracefully. But she cares only about HRC, not the USA.
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what is it about this time?
Exactly why? Are the donald's devotees so weak that they have never worked sick to meet their responsibilities?
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Wow, you all won't stop until she's six feet under, will you?
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The Truth is that Women outlive men and Trump should not be so quick mouthed to proclaim her a goner while he may be outlived by her.
I am really taken aback by this election cycle after seeing the big picture.
We are faced with a choice between a profoundly qualified and universally experienced Hillary Clinton of great dignity and forthrightness and a professionally coached crass and abusive TV star.
This is nothing less than a battle between good and evil.
From the Holy Bible; "Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil by good.
I am really taken aback by this election cycle after seeing the big picture.
We are faced with a choice between a profoundly qualified and universally experienced Hillary Clinton of great dignity and forthrightness and a professionally coached crass and abusive TV star.
This is nothing less than a battle between good and evil.
From the Holy Bible; "Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil by good.
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For a business person like Trump, I don't think illness is the right metaphor, although he and his co-conspirators are obviously using it in a misogynistic way to imply that simply being a woman means weak and fragile, if not on her death bed. Any number of posters on the NYT boards and online have suddenly turned into physicians able to diagnose all kinds of diseases based on a fleeting glimpse. They did the same thing with their Great Ebola Panic.
For Trump, though, his tax records are the metaphor. The taxman cometh but we know at least two years back in the 1970s, Trump paid zero taxes due to his business failures. Without revealing his taxes, American voters do not know how in debt he is to Russia and China, what ties he has or obligations he has incurred. This is serious. It would directly impact foreign policy, and might account for his obsequious worship of Putin.
How honest has he been on his taxes? Did he take advantage of the 2009 immunity from prosecution for hiding money offshore?
Trump is a con artist, and his game is always money. Follow the money.
Why don't the New York Times and other papers write editorials calling for the release of Trump's tax records? This is an abdication of civic responsibility to always hound the woman candidate about everything from a stumble to 3 emails that were only partially marked confidential to the "optics" of a foundation that does more good around the world than Trump could even dream of.
For Trump, though, his tax records are the metaphor. The taxman cometh but we know at least two years back in the 1970s, Trump paid zero taxes due to his business failures. Without revealing his taxes, American voters do not know how in debt he is to Russia and China, what ties he has or obligations he has incurred. This is serious. It would directly impact foreign policy, and might account for his obsequious worship of Putin.
How honest has he been on his taxes? Did he take advantage of the 2009 immunity from prosecution for hiding money offshore?
Trump is a con artist, and his game is always money. Follow the money.
Why don't the New York Times and other papers write editorials calling for the release of Trump's tax records? This is an abdication of civic responsibility to always hound the woman candidate about everything from a stumble to 3 emails that were only partially marked confidential to the "optics" of a foundation that does more good around the world than Trump could even dream of.
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There's nothing that can legally be done to force Trump to release his tax returns and harping on it incessantly makes you appear childish. Maybe that's why they decided not to print a story about it every day when everyone already knows?
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Trump keeps arguing he can't because he is being audited (though the IRS has made clear none of their rules preclude disclosure). Nonetheless, it can't be that ALL his tax returns since the beginning of time are being audited. I have to assume the audit goes back only so far. So why can't he release his pre-audit returns?
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As a neurologist I am saddened by the trend that our medical experts are pushing when it comes to control of blood pressure.
According to the article below, Clinton's BP was 100/60 during a check up few months ago.
Anybody with a baseline BP this low will have difficulty perfusing their brain, especially the elderly and in certain circumstances (Standing, heat, dehydration etc). It seems that basic neuro-physiology (which does not change every few years, or centuries or millennia) has been forgotten.
If Clinton is on anti-hypertensive medications, then she is over medicated. If she is not, she may have autonomic dysfunction, which could be an isolated phenomenon or part of a neuro-degenerative process.
Maybe this incident will bring some attention to the danger of hypotension, and the epidemic of dizziness related falls in the elderly.
According to the article below, Clinton's BP was 100/60 during a check up few months ago.
Anybody with a baseline BP this low will have difficulty perfusing their brain, especially the elderly and in certain circumstances (Standing, heat, dehydration etc). It seems that basic neuro-physiology (which does not change every few years, or centuries or millennia) has been forgotten.
If Clinton is on anti-hypertensive medications, then she is over medicated. If she is not, she may have autonomic dysfunction, which could be an isolated phenomenon or part of a neuro-degenerative process.
Maybe this incident will bring some attention to the danger of hypotension, and the epidemic of dizziness related falls in the elderly.
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I am sorry...68 is not elderly....that is for people in the 80's
I was also surprised by Trump's reported blood pressure -- something like 115/65, which sounded low to me for someone as red-faced and overweight as he is at 70. I don't believe his doctor mentioned whether that was with or without BP medications. Would be curious to know relevant doctors feel it is or is not to reveal whether BP is "controlled" with meds.
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Here we go again, another "doctor" who claims to know "best" for a patient he/she has never examined.
Guess, "doctor" you have never hear of that all-so-accurate diagnoses of Terri Schiavo or Donald Trump, have you?
And you wonder why when we have too many "doctors" like Claudia from New York who think they can take shortcuts and give virtual, off-the-cuff "diagnoses" that so many people are justified in having a healthy distrust of doctors.
Guess, "doctor" you have never hear of that all-so-accurate diagnoses of Terri Schiavo or Donald Trump, have you?
And you wonder why when we have too many "doctors" like Claudia from New York who think they can take shortcuts and give virtual, off-the-cuff "diagnoses" that so many people are justified in having a healthy distrust of doctors.
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I am a retired family practice physician. I wish Mrs. Clinton well. Mrs. Clinton is obviously overweight, perhaps morbidly, with a BMI of at least 33. Additionally, I have watched the World Trade Center video over and over, and I believe her motion and falling had nothing to do with pneumonia and medication prescribed . She may have pneumonia, but I believe her erratic movements had something to do with brain damage. There have apparently been other similar episodes. If not already done, she should see a neurologist, and her staff should release the finding. If the finding is adverse, she should drop out of the race. Her health is more important than becoming President.
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If you were were a doctor you would know that dehydration, which can sometimes be present with pneumonia, can cause someone to faint You would also hesitate to diagnose from a video.
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This is an irresponsible comment. You have no idea about her actual health status, and to post your assumptions here is disgraceful.
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Faced with a future horror, it is absolutely necessary for Clinton to win even risking life. Army Privates do.
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If you want to know why the campaign didn't immediately disclose the illness, this "story" and subsequent comments should explain it nicely. Jeez louise, people. Maybe you can prioritize your Hillary outrage. You just look silly on this one.
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I don't understand how getting pneumonia is politically significant. Its a common condition I would think most people get in their lives. I'm sure a relentless schedule with little time for sleep or even proper nutrition would be a big part of the picture. Trying to make someone into a weak candidate because they get pneumonia is a stretch and a half. Just shows desperation.
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It isn't politically significant. But then again it didn't stop all of you from barking about McCain's health, remember.
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So now, according to the Republicans, it's no longer acceptable for a human being running for office to be ill? The country seems to have lost its compass entirely. Our greatest and most revered Presidents have governed with paralysis, heart disease, depression, and numerous other significant health problems. Grow up, America...this isn't a football game or a beauty contest.
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You're saying that it's unacceptable to expect that someone running for an extremely stressful job that makes them the most powerful person on Earth should be healthy enough to handle it?
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Really? Coulda fooled me!
Touché, Alice Barrett!
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Yes, she stumbled. 30 years ago was the first stumble, fighting dirty to get a rapist off the hook. Whitewater, travelgate, the emails and now overheating...
Nobody's turning illness into a personality flaw, unless you count not seeking care because you are more concerned about what the nurses might say than getting proper care. The personality flaw is the constant lying and deception, the half-truths that seem so deliberate, the vagueness of every statement she utters.
I know the Times wants her to win, but translating her gobbledygook into gibberish just makes you look partisan and small. When will we ever get the truth?
Nobody's turning illness into a personality flaw, unless you count not seeking care because you are more concerned about what the nurses might say than getting proper care. The personality flaw is the constant lying and deception, the half-truths that seem so deliberate, the vagueness of every statement she utters.
I know the Times wants her to win, but translating her gobbledygook into gibberish just makes you look partisan and small. When will we ever get the truth?
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Actually silly memes and reddit trash just makes the poster silly and misogynistc
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Your point is....she's a human and you don't like her...She's smarter than most including me and probably you....
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You can't handle the truth!
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The DNC elite are going to have some "hard choices" if the media cannot "normalize" Hill's ills. People really do care about the health of a prospective POTUS and will remain suspicious of anything that all medical experts cannot concur on.
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I am voting for her...FDR had an illness, JFK had an illness, and Nixon I think was an alcoholic....She has pneumonia...it is fairly common...
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UH some great Presidents...like FDR was ill all the time, JFK too...they had chronic conditions...pneumonia is not a chronic condition
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The NYT has profoundly dissapointment me in their coverage of HRC. Not only is this an overblown story which is easily explained considering both the weather and Clinton's recent diagnosis, it fans flames into the sexist comparison of the 'big strong man' and the 'old, frail woman' narrative. And you journalists who say things like "this will plague her campaign" do realize that it is you who are culpible, right? These stories don't have to plague her campaugn, not if we actually focus on policy.
But what can we expect with this electorate? Do we want the strongest, most verile human to be president? Maybe next debate we can just have a pushup contest. That sounds like a great article, huh?
But what can we expect with this electorate? Do we want the strongest, most verile human to be president? Maybe next debate we can just have a pushup contest. That sounds like a great article, huh?
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"It seems unlikely that Donald Trump has familiarized himself with Susan Sontag’s 'Illness as Metaphor....'
Understatement of the century.
Understatement of the century.
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In sports this type of discourse is denounced as "piling on."
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"Secretary Clinton is, in additional to everything else, a 68-year-old grandmother. If my grandmother had been put through what this woman has endured, she'd never have made it ..."
Whew – good thing your grandmother's not running for President, eh?
Whew – good thing your grandmother's not running for President, eh?
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I'm surprised that a woman who has pneumonia would go to her daughter's home and expose her baby grand-daughter to the disease. And also the little girl on the street. What about her?
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Good grief. My grandchildren each and everyone,passed on various colds, flu to me when they were young and yes more than once progessed to pneumonia. And I never missed work, now these posters are feigning concern for her family
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Perhaps she is not contagious...she had it for a few days and was on antibiotics....she was in a crowd and has people around her all the time...I note you didn't say anything about them...She'd have to cough on someone if she was contagious...
Both candidates should have an independent medical exam and make it public.
Otherwise they just bribe an MD to give them a rosy evaluation.
They both have the funds.
Otherwise they just bribe an MD to give them a rosy evaluation.
They both have the funds.
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Thank you, Ms. Dominus, for this thoughtful and beautifully written piece.
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When did getting pneumonia become a reason to be unqualified for president? How many people have been sick during a job interview or important presentation and don't tell people in fear that it makes them look weak? NY Times should realize that reporting on immaterial stories like this instead of focusing on the real issues does not make them a balanced journal - it only makes them balanced on ridiculous stories that are misguiding the public and missing the opportunity to properly inform and educate voters for the November election.
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It is naive to take the pneumonia diagnosis as fact. it's like accepting this campaigns declaration that all the remaining emails were personal in nature. The release untruths regularly with no public appearances that allow for follow-up questioning. The pneumonia diagnosis followed the following diagnoses over the past week or so:
1)It's nothing
2) It's just a cough, are you serious
3) It's caused by allergies, happens twice a year.
Pneumonia is the 4th explanation in a short period of time to answer questions about her health. Of course she can get sick. But she may have something else (neurological?) that might make her less fit for office. However, there are many individual, groups and corporations heavily invested in her Presidency. They will all be happy to work to cover this up.
1)It's nothing
2) It's just a cough, are you serious
3) It's caused by allergies, happens twice a year.
Pneumonia is the 4th explanation in a short period of time to answer questions about her health. Of course she can get sick. But she may have something else (neurological?) that might make her less fit for office. However, there are many individual, groups and corporations heavily invested in her Presidency. They will all be happy to work to cover this up.
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I don't think my point had anything to do with whether or not she is fact has pneumonia. It's equally as unsubstantiated to claim it's something neurological than to accept or reject the veracity of her pneumonia diagnosis.
This is all a red herring. As voters, we need to focus on facts instead of just speculating and falling victim to the invalidated "Hillary is a liar" slogan. (Sure she has lied, but investigate further, she lies a very significant amount less than Trump and her other fellow colleagues).
Voters need to do their own job of figuring out what is important in this election, what are the facts, and what will make a strong leader. We have to scrutinize the information we are fed from the media and challenge our own beliefs.
We all need to use unbiased sources like factcheck.org and politifact.com and do our homework.
This is all a red herring. As voters, we need to focus on facts instead of just speculating and falling victim to the invalidated "Hillary is a liar" slogan. (Sure she has lied, but investigate further, she lies a very significant amount less than Trump and her other fellow colleagues).
Voters need to do their own job of figuring out what is important in this election, what are the facts, and what will make a strong leader. We have to scrutinize the information we are fed from the media and challenge our own beliefs.
We all need to use unbiased sources like factcheck.org and politifact.com and do our homework.
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As one person who commented said: Hillary has character. True, and in contrast her opponent has no integrity. He is deplorable.
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Sec. Clinton did what we all do when we are ill. She went to work. If she had stayed home from the 9/11 ceremony she would have felt the heat. Just like we feel it when we dare to call in sick.
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I too would have kept my pneumonia diagnosis to myself. Unfortunately, though, that didn't work out too well. Now her choices are different: release her medical records, or not (or release them selectively, leaving herself open to charges that she's hiding something). If it were me, right now, I'd release my medical records and let the chips fall where they may. If she has to withdraw, she has to withdraw, and Kaine will have longer to establish himself. If she's really healthy, as she claims, this will pass. Either way, she's going to have to release her records, and so she might as well just do it -- or refuse to do it, and withdraw. Those are her choices.
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Sorry, but this piece is insipid. Yes, the woman is ill, yes, she's had a Herculean schedule and non-top mud flung for a year. Or 24. Yes, we're all sick of the election and it's the most miserable I can recall since I started voting in the late 70's. No, you haven't done your job, which is to also report on Trump's tax issue, the Trump Foundation, The Bondi and Putin connections, and his own health, issues totally aside from how unlikeable he is. No, you aren't reporting real policy. No, you are not earning journalistic respect. I'll stick to the Times for global issues. And listen to the excellent Joy Ann Reid for politics.
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I believe there has been reporting on Trump's undisclosed tax returns, Bondi and Putin. I think I've read about each in this paper. Until this weekend I've read almost nothing in this paper about Clinton's health (even as it was being reported elsewhere in admittedly crazier publications).
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Now we have everyone playing doctor and trying to determine how many more days Clinton and/or Trump will live. Grow up please! It is not in our hands, it is in the Divine Plan and the Almighty God is the only one with access to the details of that Divine Plan. Focus on what each candidate has to offer re each one of the important issues. And focus on the merits of the candidates for Vice President too.
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I'm not sure there's a DP or AG that controls our number of days on earth! I'd just say she's been driving herself waaay to hard and forgetting to drink enough water - something that happens to a lot of us when we are so busy!
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In a sane political environment, people would be wishing Hillary well instead of pillorying Hillary for having the temerity to get pneumonia and not share the fact with the rest of the world. Instead the media and the GOP are piling on, losing all humanity in the process.
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I admire her more for showing up to the Sept. 11th event despite being sick.
Pneumonia is a tricky thing---it sneaks up on you. My 84-year old mother had it last year, and she thought she was fine until she fainted in front of us. Then she thought she was fine again, popped up, bustled around, and then, felt faint again. Once she was diagnosed, and took antibiotics she was fine in 3 days. (Like Hillary, she also doesn't like to drink water---which might have something to do with it). She's fine now, as Hillary will be the day after tomorrow, if she takes a couple of days off.
Pneumonia is a tricky thing---it sneaks up on you. My 84-year old mother had it last year, and she thought she was fine until she fainted in front of us. Then she thought she was fine again, popped up, bustled around, and then, felt faint again. Once she was diagnosed, and took antibiotics she was fine in 3 days. (Like Hillary, she also doesn't like to drink water---which might have something to do with it). She's fine now, as Hillary will be the day after tomorrow, if she takes a couple of days off.
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Hydration is REALLY important -- especially as you age, especially if you are busy or in a stressful job.
I am always bewildered by people who don't like to drink water. What the heck do they drink? nothing? Diet Coke? Caffeinated beverages DEHYDRATE YOU - -they are not a substitute for WATER. It is OK to drink some juice, iced tea, ginger ale etc. instead of water but mostly it should be plain water.
That a politician with two doctors in her entourage doesn't know this, is pretty amazing.
However, I have seen this in MANY elderly people. They will refuse to drink. It might be part of the process of "shutting down" for some of them. It can have terrible side effects.
I am always bewildered by people who don't like to drink water. What the heck do they drink? nothing? Diet Coke? Caffeinated beverages DEHYDRATE YOU - -they are not a substitute for WATER. It is OK to drink some juice, iced tea, ginger ale etc. instead of water but mostly it should be plain water.
That a politician with two doctors in her entourage doesn't know this, is pretty amazing.
However, I have seen this in MANY elderly people. They will refuse to drink. It might be part of the process of "shutting down" for some of them. It can have terrible side effects.
I'm sure the reason Hillary doesn't drink enough water is, with her intense schedule, getting enough bathroom breaks is difficult. In fact, Trump mocked her for that during one of her primary debates - and that was because the woman's bathroom was far from the stage. He made it sound like she was horrid because she was a human being. He's not a human being and does not belong in the White House. Let him stay in Trump Tower and 'write' more books about how great he is. Which he's not but millions will buy them because millions are easily conned. And, of course, all the white supremicists will buy them.
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The video made me love Hillary; I have been an ambivalent supporter.
She is has a lot of heart.
Will be great for America.
She is has a lot of heart.
Will be great for America.
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Is Clinton still the right horse to ride?
"Rest and get on and win the election for the Democratic Party."
Do you want the Democratic Party to win, or do you want Hillary Clinton to win? If the former, might Tim Kaine have a better shot at that now? If so, will his chances drop if Clinton waits until just days before the election to withdraw?
"Rest and get on and win the election for the Democratic Party."
Do you want the Democratic Party to win, or do you want Hillary Clinton to win? If the former, might Tim Kaine have a better shot at that now? If so, will his chances drop if Clinton waits until just days before the election to withdraw?
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Candor and humility in an extended forum with three senior journalists would go a long way toward boosting Clinton's reputation (as it did in the Beghazi hearing). I don't doubt she's up to it. She needs to drop the paranoia and let voters see her, up close and unedited. Trust the voters to know real courage when they see it. Step up.
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I'd recommend that HRC modify her diet and exercise more. Seems to have worked for Bill and millions of other Americans in her age group. Trump is in terrible shape too. Neither sets a good example for physical fitness.
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yeah, right, like she's got TIME for that right now!
AGE group....she is not overweight...your advice seems really weird...from another old uppity woman
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I agree. What worries me most about her is her apparent general level of unfitness.
FDR, a man of great courage, fought Nazi Germany from his wheelchair. I'm pretty sure Hillary can take on ISIS with or without pneumonia.
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Everyone knew FDR had polio, and couldn't walk, long before he became President. The voters elected him with full knowledge of that.
I'd have kept my pneumonia diagnosis to myself too, just as Clinton did. But now that it's out there, she needs to do one of two things, since this issue won't otherwise "go away:"
1. Release enough medical records that nobody can say she's hiding anything about her health.
2. Withdraw.
Those are her choices, and she should choose very soon so we can get this behind us.
I'd have kept my pneumonia diagnosis to myself too, just as Clinton did. But now that it's out there, she needs to do one of two things, since this issue won't otherwise "go away:"
1. Release enough medical records that nobody can say she's hiding anything about her health.
2. Withdraw.
Those are her choices, and she should choose very soon so we can get this behind us.
Bill H
No, Hillary would be a better leader with a clear chest and mind. But FDR she will never be.
No, Hillary would be a better leader with a clear chest and mind. But FDR she will never be.
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@my three cents No. You are absolutely incorrect!
Everyone did not know how debilitating FDR's polio was. His handicap was largely concealed from the public.
In the summer of 1921, while on vacation in Canada, 39-year-old Roosevelt fell ill with what was ultimately diagnosed as polio, a disease with no known cure.
Paralyzed from the waist down, he underwent years of painstaking physical rehabilitation to try and regain the use of his legs. Yet although he made some progress, learning to move short distances with the help of steel leg braces and a cane (usually while holding the arm of a companion), he would remain wheelchair-dependent for the rest of his life. FDR could not even dress or bathe himself.
The public never knew the full extent of his disability, however, in part because the media rarely mentioned it. At Roosevelt’s request, most images from the time show him seated in an open car or standing at a podium.
Roosevelt’s public appearances were carefully stage-managed to similar effect. The president rarely emerged from his limousine in the view of the public or the press.
When the occasional photographer did try to catch him in his wheelchair, Secret Service agents reportedly tore the film out of their cameras.
Roosevelt’s overseas enemies rarely attempted to exploit his disability. Mussolini did once splutter, “Never in the course of history has a nation been guided by a paralytic!" Of course, a paralyzed FDR kicked Hitler's and Il Duce's butts!
Everyone did not know how debilitating FDR's polio was. His handicap was largely concealed from the public.
In the summer of 1921, while on vacation in Canada, 39-year-old Roosevelt fell ill with what was ultimately diagnosed as polio, a disease with no known cure.
Paralyzed from the waist down, he underwent years of painstaking physical rehabilitation to try and regain the use of his legs. Yet although he made some progress, learning to move short distances with the help of steel leg braces and a cane (usually while holding the arm of a companion), he would remain wheelchair-dependent for the rest of his life. FDR could not even dress or bathe himself.
The public never knew the full extent of his disability, however, in part because the media rarely mentioned it. At Roosevelt’s request, most images from the time show him seated in an open car or standing at a podium.
Roosevelt’s public appearances were carefully stage-managed to similar effect. The president rarely emerged from his limousine in the view of the public or the press.
When the occasional photographer did try to catch him in his wheelchair, Secret Service agents reportedly tore the film out of their cameras.
Roosevelt’s overseas enemies rarely attempted to exploit his disability. Mussolini did once splutter, “Never in the course of history has a nation been guided by a paralytic!" Of course, a paralyzed FDR kicked Hitler's and Il Duce's butts!
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REALITY-CHECK: I don't claim to have clear insight to this recent medical incident, BUT:
1) This most recent incident *MAY* be nothing at all, or it could be an illustrative of a much more serious health condition
2) Whatever "the campaign" is saying, is mostly meaningless, Ms Clinton & her team has shown over and over that she/they have no aversion to lying
AND, they have shown repeatedly, that in any 'tough' situation, their overall practice is to resort to lying, much, much more often than telling the truth
3) I just saw somebody on TV go through a list of about 20 instances over the last decade or so, of her having similar instances to this one. I, don't claim to know the significance of that list of stumbles and blackouts, but it would be a good idea to get a panel of undisputed medical experts to offer their opinion of the significance of that medical history
* * *
HISTORY LESSONS
1) During his last term Woodrow Wilson, was mostly in a coma for a very long time, and his wife was largely running the country
2) When it was announced that Reagan had Alzheimer's, it was no surprise to anybody watching the Governance of our country. During his last term, Mr. Reagan appeared very, very, very frequently appeared to have the conscientiousness of a zombie
FINALLY: IMHO, both of the 2 major candidates have disqualified themselves from serious consideration
IF we simply accept that the race has to be between Dem & GOP, the race *SHOULD BE* between Biden & Kasich
1) This most recent incident *MAY* be nothing at all, or it could be an illustrative of a much more serious health condition
2) Whatever "the campaign" is saying, is mostly meaningless, Ms Clinton & her team has shown over and over that she/they have no aversion to lying
AND, they have shown repeatedly, that in any 'tough' situation, their overall practice is to resort to lying, much, much more often than telling the truth
3) I just saw somebody on TV go through a list of about 20 instances over the last decade or so, of her having similar instances to this one. I, don't claim to know the significance of that list of stumbles and blackouts, but it would be a good idea to get a panel of undisputed medical experts to offer their opinion of the significance of that medical history
* * *
HISTORY LESSONS
1) During his last term Woodrow Wilson, was mostly in a coma for a very long time, and his wife was largely running the country
2) When it was announced that Reagan had Alzheimer's, it was no surprise to anybody watching the Governance of our country. During his last term, Mr. Reagan appeared very, very, very frequently appeared to have the conscientiousness of a zombie
FINALLY: IMHO, both of the 2 major candidates have disqualified themselves from serious consideration
IF we simply accept that the race has to be between Dem & GOP, the race *SHOULD BE* between Biden & Kasich
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That would be Fox? It's not exactly a network known for its lack of sexism. Where is its litany of Trump's years of bigotry and mishandling of his finances?
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"I just saw somebody on tv go through a list of..." Would that somebody be on FOX News???
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I'm with you on this but I would add that since we cannot have a run between Biden and Kasich and Clinton needs to be replaced for health reasons that Senator Bernie Sanders replace Secretary Clinton. Biden did not run Sanders did. A lot of people myself included voted for Sanders and still feel very cheated but the Corporatist Democratic Establishment.
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Articles like this feed Trump’s candidacy and I expect better from the New York Times, especially since this newspaper has officially endorsed Clinton. Is it really necessary to publish a censorious article analyzing Hilary’s wibbles and wobbles as she left an event, ill with pneumonia? What on earth is wrong with the campaign keeping a little privacy around the candidate when she was unwell? We know everything there is to know about Hilary!
We know much, much less about Trump and he fiercely guards his privacy – down to keeping his taxes a secret – and somehow the press gives this bully a free pass. Why doesn’t this paper push for more clarity on Trump’s health? He is a fat man with a paunch, his face is bloated and red, he has terrible skin, and his fingers are swollen, and all signs of various forms of potential ill-health. Not to mention his mental health problems. Why not have an article with medical specialists speculating about the effect of Trump’s puffy face (high blood pressure? liver problems?) and overweight belly (pre-diabetic?) on his health?
If anything, Hilary should be commended for having the presence of mind and physical strength to make it to the van and not lose her strength until she was nearly there. Better yet, let’s not dwell on moments when a candidate feels unwell, just as a once decent press never once mentioned that FDR was in a wheelchair.
We know much, much less about Trump and he fiercely guards his privacy – down to keeping his taxes a secret – and somehow the press gives this bully a free pass. Why doesn’t this paper push for more clarity on Trump’s health? He is a fat man with a paunch, his face is bloated and red, he has terrible skin, and his fingers are swollen, and all signs of various forms of potential ill-health. Not to mention his mental health problems. Why not have an article with medical specialists speculating about the effect of Trump’s puffy face (high blood pressure? liver problems?) and overweight belly (pre-diabetic?) on his health?
If anything, Hilary should be commended for having the presence of mind and physical strength to make it to the van and not lose her strength until she was nearly there. Better yet, let’s not dwell on moments when a candidate feels unwell, just as a once decent press never once mentioned that FDR was in a wheelchair.
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Ms. Dominus seems to be criticizing taking Clinton's illness and fall getting into a van as symbolic of something greater — and then proceeds to do exactly the same thing.
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Anyone who has had to arrive at work and produce, despite being ill at the time, knows how Hillary Clinton felt yesterday . . . I suspect that the majority of Americans have had this experience.
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Agreed, the only question is 'sick with what'?
If it weren't for that video hitting the internet, she'd be overheated. If it weren't for President Bill's slip of the tongue we wouldn't have known the concussion/brain damage/thrombosis required six months of rehabilitation. At some point your employer (the American people) need to see the sick note.
If it weren't for that video hitting the internet, she'd be overheated. If it weren't for President Bill's slip of the tongue we wouldn't have known the concussion/brain damage/thrombosis required six months of rehabilitation. At some point your employer (the American people) need to see the sick note.
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They have. Because most Americans don't have paid sick leave.
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A day later, she and her campaign are still unable to own up to her collapse and the ensuing cover up. The more they hide this, the more undecided / independent voters are going to distrust her. I suppose this act should be called: how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Put Sanders or Biden in her place and this would have been a foregone conclusion by now. The democrats only have themselves to blame for this fiasco.
Put Sanders or Biden in her place and this would have been a foregone conclusion by now. The democrats only have themselves to blame for this fiasco.
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Maybe, maybe not:
"She has a serious illness and it's being hushed up."
She's promised to release more medical records, and her spokesperson assure us they won't reveal any undisclosed medical problems. So we'll see.
My strong hunch is that she won't release all of her medical records, and so her critics will claim there's bad news in the records she didn't release. That may or may not be true, but it all but guarantees that this controversy will drag on for weeks. Her poll numbers might get boosted because many voters are sympathetic, but they're more likely to drop because many voters will suspect she's hiding something (even if she's not).
If I were Clinton, I'd have done the same thing -- not disclose the pneumonia diagnosis, and hope I'd get better without anyone noticing. At this point, though, since that didn't work out too well, I'd simply release everything and let the chips fall where they may. If there's nothing more there, she'll be golden. If there is more, she'll be toast, but that will happen soon enough for Kaine to step in and establish himself.
"She has a serious illness and it's being hushed up."
She's promised to release more medical records, and her spokesperson assure us they won't reveal any undisclosed medical problems. So we'll see.
My strong hunch is that she won't release all of her medical records, and so her critics will claim there's bad news in the records she didn't release. That may or may not be true, but it all but guarantees that this controversy will drag on for weeks. Her poll numbers might get boosted because many voters are sympathetic, but they're more likely to drop because many voters will suspect she's hiding something (even if she's not).
If I were Clinton, I'd have done the same thing -- not disclose the pneumonia diagnosis, and hope I'd get better without anyone noticing. At this point, though, since that didn't work out too well, I'd simply release everything and let the chips fall where they may. If there's nothing more there, she'll be golden. If there is more, she'll be toast, but that will happen soon enough for Kaine to step in and establish himself.
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Why only her records?
Did HRC's campaign say that pneumonia "caused" the famous stumble? That's not quite what I read. Her early departure from the 9/11 ceremony was first laid to feeling "overheated." Then came the stumble, the trip to Chelsea's flat, and 90 minutes later, voila! "(Feeling) great, thank you. Great day in New York!" THEN came the announcement that she was diagnosed with pneumonia two days earlier. Leaving out the "conceivable" and "possible," is inability to walk -- so evident in the later, enhanced versions of the amateur video --related to pneumonia? Is dehydration caused by pneumonia? Was her very presence at the ceremony prompted by a desire to "cover up" the undisclosed diagnosis (brought about by a coughing fit in Cleveland)?
In any case, the campaign blamed her "incident" on Sunday on dehydration and overheating, not on pneumonia. The latter seemed to be, and worked out effectively, to be a smokescreen for the former. We can parse the words, as we're meant to do, and we won't find a mistruth, but we may not find the truth, either. And that is Hillary's real diagnosis: too cagey by half -- a chronic ailment.
In any case, the campaign blamed her "incident" on Sunday on dehydration and overheating, not on pneumonia. The latter seemed to be, and worked out effectively, to be a smokescreen for the former. We can parse the words, as we're meant to do, and we won't find a mistruth, but we may not find the truth, either. And that is Hillary's real diagnosis: too cagey by half -- a chronic ailment.
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Media packages news for clicks. Wash. Post's verb use "fall ill" for what looks like "walking pneumonia" shows the typical word choice the errs to the dramatic. Many more found by scanning today's coverage of this story.
She was going on with her schedule as many people with non serious illness commonly do. The media business model mandating 'stickiness' oozes toward the slippery slope of Trumpy female/weak memes. Yes, look at all those dramatic words.
Trump takes far more time off the campaign trail than her. He often plans his schedule to end up back in his bed most nights. He is overweight and eats poorly and no paragon of health. He looks to me like a walking ad for statins. How is this an accurate coverage of the more work(man)like schedule. Language so easily fortifies the male figure as in my last sentence.
How is the media making the wellness coverage accurate? Doesn't seem to be their pressing goal. Sad and disappointing. Women actuarially are healthier longer into life. What is with the freighted verbs, adjectives, adverbs? What about neutrality in a real world that has never had a US female head of state? So careless. So wrong.
She was going on with her schedule as many people with non serious illness commonly do. The media business model mandating 'stickiness' oozes toward the slippery slope of Trumpy female/weak memes. Yes, look at all those dramatic words.
Trump takes far more time off the campaign trail than her. He often plans his schedule to end up back in his bed most nights. He is overweight and eats poorly and no paragon of health. He looks to me like a walking ad for statins. How is this an accurate coverage of the more work(man)like schedule. Language so easily fortifies the male figure as in my last sentence.
How is the media making the wellness coverage accurate? Doesn't seem to be their pressing goal. Sad and disappointing. Women actuarially are healthier longer into life. What is with the freighted verbs, adjectives, adverbs? What about neutrality in a real world that has never had a US female head of state? So careless. So wrong.
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Well, the media are finally covering the candidate who exhibits signs of distress. Poor Dr. Drew lost his job for questioning the utterly bizarre drug regimen Dr. Bardick has put Hillary on and it took a private citizens video hitting the internet for her campaign to admit she was sick.
Trump tells you he's going home to eat a big mac and watch TV, no illusions there. If only Hillary could bring herself to tell the truth, she could have been president years ago.
Trump tells you he's going home to eat a big mac and watch TV, no illusions there. If only Hillary could bring herself to tell the truth, she could have been president years ago.
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No one is picking on Hillary because she is a woman. She is a presidential candidate so the media has a laser-like focus on her just as it does on Trump. The stakes are huge and every candidate's missteps are magnified for the world to see regardless of gender. Do women want to be equal or not? Running in the race with men means women enter the same media grinder as the men do. If women want to be treated as hothouse flowers, perhaps they should stick to running for president of the ladies' cotillion.
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Why do the Clintons keep making these mistakes? There's no shame in being sick. In fact it's not surprising at all given the demands on candidates for POTUS. I don't feel sorry for her, she decided to run this Ironman, but geez a little transparency would be nice.
Pneumonia is serious in someone pushing 70, and worn down from the campaign. People of good will wish her a speedy recovery. But this even sicker penchant for secrecy is...... It's making Trump look better, or at least accurate in questioning her health.
Stop it! Get some rest. Get better. And for God's sake stop being your own worst enemy. Hard to one up Trump there, but you're doing it Hillary.
Pneumonia is serious in someone pushing 70, and worn down from the campaign. People of good will wish her a speedy recovery. But this even sicker penchant for secrecy is...... It's making Trump look better, or at least accurate in questioning her health.
Stop it! Get some rest. Get better. And for God's sake stop being your own worst enemy. Hard to one up Trump there, but you're doing it Hillary.
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This would be a NON-ISSUE if she had stayed home -- issued a press release to say she had walking pneumonia, and on doctors orders, she had to stay home for 5 days to get complete bedrest.
A NON-ISSUE.
Hillary turned it into an issue, by acting like a fool and going out when she was sick enough to collapse.
A NON-ISSUE.
Hillary turned it into an issue, by acting like a fool and going out when she was sick enough to collapse.
The author's use of the word "stumbles" is deliberately misleading. Clinton did not "stumble," she collapsed and had not someone grabbed her, she would have collapsed to the ground. "Stumbles" implies a misstep. The video clearly shows her buckling, not misstepping. Clinton was very ill. Period. This would not be the story it became if she had come clean about her illness from the start and hadn't disappeared for 90 minutes without explanation. People would be just as concerned if it had happened to Trump, Obama or any other presidential candidate. Instead of rushing to Clinton's defense by using a word designed to mislead rather than enlighten, the NYT would help us all and the candidate by demanding an accounting of both candidates medical records. once again, the "stumble" is Clinton's own doing. No assist from the vast right wing conspiracy needed.
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And maybe it would be helpful if doctors like you, who were not on the scene or personally examined Hillary Clinton, would not add to the hysteria by keeping one's opinions to themselves.
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Sorry but Clinton did not "stumble" A stumble is what happens when you catch your toe on uneven sidewalk or don't notice a step down. The video clearly shows that she collapsed, had to be held up by her handlers, and was dragged into her van. If it was in fact pneumonia why wasn't she taken to a hospital instead of a private apartment?
No-one is "turning illness into a personality flaw". Hillary's personality flaw is her utter inability to come clean with the American people about anything.
Between the NY Times' attempts to make this out as something that could have happened to anyone, and the Hillary campaign's need for absolute secrecy the Right Wing conspiracy theorists are starting to look more like truth tellers everyday.
No-one is "turning illness into a personality flaw". Hillary's personality flaw is her utter inability to come clean with the American people about anything.
Between the NY Times' attempts to make this out as something that could have happened to anyone, and the Hillary campaign's need for absolute secrecy the Right Wing conspiracy theorists are starting to look more like truth tellers everyday.
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Agreed, she did not stumble. One has to be walking to stumble. She wasn't walking. She was being picked up like a mannequin and carried stiff legged to the van. The concrete pillar she was leaning against prior really looked like the only thing holding her up.
When has trump ever come clean?
.. and that ridiculous medical letter. What a joke.
.. and that ridiculous medical letter. What a joke.
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Because nobody in their right mind who lives in Manhattan would go to one of our ER's when they had a comfy luxury apartment within a couple minute's drive where they could relax, put their feet up and rehydrate while calling their personal doc on the phone. She fainted; she didn't have a massive stroke.
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Secretary Clinton is a wealthy woman who lives in comfort most probably luxury. People cook for her,clean for her, do her laundry and yard work,run her errands and chauffeur her to all appointments and meetings. She probably eats a diet of a very high quality and has access to the best medical care available in the world. Yet we all see her collapsing as though she were a day laborer forced to work a double shift on a hot day with no lunch break. This is disconcerting to say the least. Being the leader of the free world is taxing and requires vigorous energy and rigorous good health. Just Google a picture of President Obama when he was sworn in and compare that to how he looks today. This is a job that takes a mighty toll on the physical and intellectual constitution of the person who assumes control of the White House. Is Hillary Clinton physically and medically fit to be President of the United States? The American people deserve to know. The deception and obfuscation must end and her medical records must be released ASAP.
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They deserve to know about Donald Trump's health record, too. He, too, is rich, and has access to healthy food cooked by others. For some reason, he prefers fast food.
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And what about full disclosure from Trump?
I'm sure you're for that, too, right?
I'm sure you're for that, too, right?
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She is far more fit that Ronald Reagan who had dementia while holding office.
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Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday (or maybe earlier). She was told by her doctors to rest, yet she continued her regular busy schedule. Pneumonia can be very serious and can lead to worse complications. I question her judgment to ignore her medical advice and to not respect her body.
I am so trying to believe that Hillary has good judgment but these things keep coming up. I'm so depressed.
I am so trying to believe that Hillary has good judgment but these things keep coming up. I'm so depressed.
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Does she even want to win this election? She should be destroying Trump in every poll. The real stumble is her comment about half of Trump supporters. That is such a rookie mistake.
Be afraid people. President Trump is becoming more and more likely
Be afraid people. President Trump is becoming more and more likely
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Hillary seems ill and not in her right mind, disqualifying. I think she is going to lose for sure now
This isn't the first time she has had this type of incident. There have been other rumored "medical mishaps" where she had stumbled and or fainted. She is an old 67 who doesn't really exercise or do any maintenance to her body. I wish her a speedy recovery.
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She is going to be 69.
She is 69 in a couple weeks.
She is on SS and Medicare.
She is overweight (so is Trump!) and doesn't look to me like someone who works out.
This is a big change from the weight-obsessed, exercising, health nuts that are the Obama's.
She is on SS and Medicare.
She is overweight (so is Trump!) and doesn't look to me like someone who works out.
This is a big change from the weight-obsessed, exercising, health nuts that are the Obama's.
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Illness as metaphor--that maybe Hillary doesn't want this as much as she used to, as much as Bill wants it for her--and of course most of all for himself. This could lead to a graceful segue out of the campaign. Now THAT would take guts and strength.
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Okay, so you despise Hillary. That's your cross to bear.
But why disparage Sontag's achievement with such twisted logic? I suggest you try reading the book before you extrapolate.
But why disparage Sontag's achievement with such twisted logic? I suggest you try reading the book before you extrapolate.
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When a Presidential candidate passes out,it is a BIG DEAL.If Trump did this, the NY Times would nonstop demand a fitness for duty physical exam.I hope Hillary is okay.Given her past health problems,it's time to tell the truth.Will they?Doubt it.
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Please you do not care. Remember Bush chocking on chip and passing out with his dogs?
A perfectly healthy business executive goes to the company's doctor's office for her/his annual contract mandated check up. After a very thorough examination the company's doctor pronounces that business executive healthier than ever and faxes the results of the complete examination to that business executive company. While the fax in in its way to her/his company, at the same time, the business executive walks out the doctor's office in Midtown Manhattan (NY) and dies on the sidewalk in front of the entrance to the company's doctor's office. It is not an imagined situation, it actually happened.
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Sounds like the opening scenes of the 1954 movie, "Executive Suite."
Because those corporate checkups are limited in scope, whatever gave rise to this guy's massive coronary or stroke would likely have been uncovered only in a multi-day much more thorough checkup at a place like the Mayo clinic or perhaps a smaller crisis like chest pains.
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She was sick weeks ago. We all saw that she was hoarse and coughing. So she is human. But why is this a huge issue. She will get better. And she will debate with Mr. Trump. She will get over it. So why can't we get over it?
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If you read the comments, most commenters feel it is an issue not because of the sickness, but because of the lack of transparency (again) about the sickness.
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So Democrats and Republicans, pass a simple law that says all tax returns and health records of presidential candidates must be revealed to voters
Do it tomorrow, unanimously.
Anything short of this is politics as usual.
Do it tomorrow, unanimously.
Anything short of this is politics as usual.
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Medical matters should be between a person and their doctor. Agree on the tax returns.
Enough already! Double standard much?
Enough already! Double standard much?
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You need to look up what "double standard" means. My proposal is no such thing.
What about emails?
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Hillary Clinton stumbles. What does Donald Trump do? He lies, cheats, uses people, reneges on deals, commits fraud, philanders, and refuses to submit his own health records and taxes. I'm relieved that all Secretary Clinton does is fumble.
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You can't seriously look at that video and think she just stumbled. And I say this as someone whose heart went out to her when I saw the video.
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If Donald Trump and the right wing media hadn't been making all sorts of exaggerated claims about Hillary having Parkinson's or that she was dying, she probably would have revealed the fact that she had pneumonia sooner. But in the context of feeding the frenzy, it's not surprising that she decided to protect herself by not being more forthcoming.
All this tut-tutting about Hillary tends to ignore the media environment we have now, where outrageous lies and innuendo circle the globe at the speed of light and even the mainstream media participates in a more sublet and indirect way, by shaming and blaming Hillary instead of the rumor mongers.
All this tut-tutting about Hillary tends to ignore the media environment we have now, where outrageous lies and innuendo circle the globe at the speed of light and even the mainstream media participates in a more sublet and indirect way, by shaming and blaming Hillary instead of the rumor mongers.
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It was revealed 48 hours later, which is not a big deal on a weekend. It was obviously important to her that she attend the ceremony to honor 9/11 victims. Can you imagine how Trump and his co-conspirators would have absolutely crucified her if she claimed illness as an excuse for not attending?
I am totally sick of the double standard, and the way the media follows every conspiracy pathway the right wing trolls in front of them, only leaving out the lizard people so far but that is probably next.
I am totally sick of the double standard, and the way the media follows every conspiracy pathway the right wing trolls in front of them, only leaving out the lizard people so far but that is probably next.
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Hillary honored the 9/11 dead by attending their memorial despite
walking pneumonia.
True Grit
walking pneumonia.
True Grit
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And infecting everyone around her - including the little selfie girl near Chelsea's apt.
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By the time election day rolls around, the only thing Hillary voters will have is "she's not Trump."
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No, we will continue to have all of this:
Hillaryclinton.com/issues
Hillaryclinton.com/issues
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Even if that's true, it's good enough. Anybody but Trump.
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Secretary Clinton has no more obligation to report to the press on her day-to-day health than any other candidate. This boo hoo hoo coming from the Fourth Estate is just silly and tiresome. She was not feeling that well -- she got checked, she has pneumonia and she kept up the fight, she showed up where she needed to be on Sunday morning -- in her heavy Navy blue suit and long sleeved shirt and kevlar vest, and stood in the middle of a pretty packed crowd with Senator Schumer's hand on her shoulder -- When you're shorter than the people surrounding you, as women often are when surrounded by men, you get no air. It was hot and humid and she was already sick. This story should already be so far on back burner as to be barely visible. Secretary Clinton did not crawl into bed and whine about being sick. She did what women do: she carried on. THAT should be your lede. New York Times, how about some real journalism for a change?
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Kevlar vest? Is that the same vest she had on when taking imaginary fire on a trip to Kosovo? Stop such ridiculous rationalizing. She was sick, tried to hide it and got busted. Neither a virtue nor the end of the world
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In addition to the debates, we should have a physical competition between the two candidates with events such as stair climbing, jar opening, and bladder control. Maybe add a hot and cold room endurance challenge. Talk about great TV!
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American Gladiators, 2016.
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It's over. As of this moment there are multiple reports floating around that her secret service detail broke several rules with their handling in yesterdays episode, including not taking her to trauma center, which is mandatory with anyone who exhibits seizure, black outs or loss of consciousness. She was totally out, and anyone who thinks otherwise, really needs to look at the videos. This is not some conspiracy theory. The reason the secret service ditched their police escort was to evade a hospital visit. Mostly, because it could have exposed her medical issues on a larger scale.
What's most telling is, everyone on here in the MSM and her handlers are acting like this is no big deal. The woman lost consciousness, part of a long string of medical issues and everyone is treating this like its some routine ordeal. They literally scraped her up off the ground, shot whatever they did into her, propped her up and got her back outside. It's pathetic and frankly, embarrassing. These people have no limits with their thirst for power.
What's most telling is, everyone on here in the MSM and her handlers are acting like this is no big deal. The woman lost consciousness, part of a long string of medical issues and everyone is treating this like its some routine ordeal. They literally scraped her up off the ground, shot whatever they did into her, propped her up and got her back outside. It's pathetic and frankly, embarrassing. These people have no limits with their thirst for power.
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'Long string of medical issues'? Well, that's news to the rest of the world. Please, tell us what these issue are.
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Do you even know what a trauma center is?
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I don't believe this as anything more than Breitbart/drudge agitprop. If the Secret Service agents thought she was in danger, they would NOT have been persuaded to avoid going to hospital. Conclusion: her fainting was momentary, and she convinced the agents she was okay.
Stop with the conspiracies!
Stop with the conspiracies!
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The onus for blame rests with Hillary's handlers. In the space of mere hours Hillary is recorded appearing incoherent and unstable then is directly involved in a phony photo -op deliberately designed to deceive the American public. Optics are everything and campaigns pay top dollar for people who don't make gaffes like this. Very disappointing.
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No. Wake up and pay attention. Trump is a monster, Hillary will be fine. Wake up!
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Sigh. I see you all have added Tim Kaine and Obama to the mix. Why don't you ask them what they think?
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Puh-leaze!! Why do you in the media keep buying into Donald Trump's narrative? He says Hillary is sick or weak, and you spend weeks giving that air time. Where is your commentary and investigation about Trump being overweight with a pasty complexion? Where is your commentary on the probable health effects of all the junk food he eats? You endlessly analyze everything Hillary says or does because it is possible to analyze it. You avoid analyzing Trump because he keeps himself outside the boundaries of acceptable discourse, outside the notion that statements should have some truth, and because it's too hard for you. The media has an obligation to perform in the electoral process and you are blowing it. That has potentially catastrophic impacts to America and the world.
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And why haven't we heard ad nauseoum about the money Trump asked for back because of 'lost business' after 9/11. Give me a break.
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Trump displays energy where she displays exhaustion. It's completely reasonable to be concerned about her ability to fulfill the job responsibilities
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Why, oh why? What's the problem with "delaying for hours" the information that Clinton has pneumonia? Couldn't the direct cause of Clinton's collapse have been, indeed, overheating/dehydration ? Would any candidate have to immediately report that he, for example, had to leave the room because of diarrhea? All this feels so much like a politically motivated persecution. How come we know next to nothing about Trump's, say, school records, employees, taxes,"brushes" with the law, and, of course, health?
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You see, the campaign should have immediately issued a press release. Preferably without checking the candidate is safe and rehydrated, and without checking if it's ok with her that her confidential information gets touted all over. Better yet, they should have taken the press with her in her car so they could interview her as she drove back home. Because it's she's a Clinton, and the Press deserves to know Everything NOW.
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Nice dodge
At the moment, I'm fighting a nasty respiratory virus that's "going around", and it's such a nasty one that developing pneumonia from it is perfectly plausible, and could still happen to me. Especially since Hillary is not one to shirk her commitments, and has insisted on keeping her hectic schedule, to my mind the "pneumonia story", as it's been labelled in these comments, is the most reasonable explanation for this incident. But it's so easy for her detractors to pile on and insist that having pneumonia and keeping quiet about it is either a lie or a character flaw. And the uproar would not have been muted in any way had she announced it and taken a few days off. Why is it not possible to say, "Hope you feel better Hillary", and let it go at that. Let those who have never caught a nasty bug and still had to go to the office or get up and fix dinner cast the first stone.
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Hillary, the victor and reigning champion of the Benghazi witch hunt, has this kerfuffle nicely covered. Can't wait to see how Trump handles the upcoming debate hot seat. Won't be pretty!
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Hillary Clinton would probably be a reasonably good president. Trump would be a disaster. But we all know that if she stepped aside and Biden jumped in, he would win by a landslide, whereas Hillary will be lucky if she hangs on to narrowly beat Trump. Too bad the Democrat establishment decided years in advance that it was her turn.
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Enough already. Bloomberg, Biden, Bernie, enough. Hillary will be fine, and she won. Calm down and stop with the ridiculous. Jill Stein is no good either: not even a proper green candidate, with peculiar beliefs for a professional MD. Johnson? Give it a rest, he's got a lot of charm but is deeply unrealistic.
She's been tested, and she is still the best on offer. Please just stop with the outlandish and unrealistic suggestions.
Get with Bernie, please, who has accepted reality and wants to go forward with what he and all of us can do, without courting disaster.
She's been tested, and she is still the best on offer. Please just stop with the outlandish and unrealistic suggestions.
Get with Bernie, please, who has accepted reality and wants to go forward with what he and all of us can do, without courting disaster.
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Bingo. You nailed it.
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Excuse me, "we all know that Biden would win by a landslide'???????
Where are you living, in what universe?
Where are you living, in what universe?
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The issue is not that she has pneumonia. The issue is why she chose to hide it from the public until she collapsed.
Plays right into the narrative she lacks transparency and wants to operate in secret.
This won't matter to the Trump and Hillary haters, but to the people who will actually decide the election.
Plays right into the narrative she lacks transparency and wants to operate in secret.
This won't matter to the Trump and Hillary haters, but to the people who will actually decide the election.
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Double Standard is the message.
Where are the records for Trump - a 5 minute 4 paragraph doctor's note ?? Sorry that is ridiculous if you want a record every time Clinton pees.
Where are the tax records for Trump
Where is his apology to the Khan family- certainly more honorable than the KKK members who ARE deplorable and firmly in the Trump camp.
Tiresome.
Where are the records for Trump - a 5 minute 4 paragraph doctor's note ?? Sorry that is ridiculous if you want a record every time Clinton pees.
Where are the tax records for Trump
Where is his apology to the Khan family- certainly more honorable than the KKK members who ARE deplorable and firmly in the Trump camp.
Tiresome.
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I beg to differ with Mrs. Clinton. Close analysis of the polling data leads me to conclude that at least 75 percent of Mr. Trump's supporters are deplorables.
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Seems the Trumpsters aren't the only name callers, eh? Careful now, you Lefties don't want to lose your moral high ground.
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To Wanderer ---
I have been called a lot of bad names in my life, but this is the first time I've been called a "leftie." The simple truth is that a large number of Mr. Trump's supporters -- like Mr. Trump himself -- are deplorable. When the hat fits, it ought to be worn proudly.
I have been called a lot of bad names in my life, but this is the first time I've been called a "leftie." The simple truth is that a large number of Mr. Trump's supporters -- like Mr. Trump himself -- are deplorable. When the hat fits, it ought to be worn proudly.
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REALITY-CHECK: This changes nothing
People who support HRC, will not be influenced by this, or anything,
. . . and people who oppose her, likewise will not be moved in any way either
** UNDECIDEDs: How completely out-to-lunch do you have to be, for you to be undecided at this point? They say, that the election will be decided by the independents/undecideds. ANYBODY who claims to be 'undecided' here is really uninformed, and to think that THOSE PEOPLE will be the ones who end up determining who the next POTUS will be, is frightening
* * * *
Regarding this most recent episode; who knows for sure what exactly 'the deal' is?
Ms Clinton has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, that she has an aversion to telling the truth. The current explanation could easily be just one more lie, and her complete collapse while being 'helped' into that van, *could* be a glimpse into a condition much, much worse than the 'explanations' portray
At a minimum, her 'handlers' are doing a really poor job. They knew she was in poor health, and going out on a hot/warm day, and they still had her swaddled/bundled-up as if she were going out into a sub-freezing environment. OVERHEATING, shouldn't have been a surprise, it should have been an expectation
People who support HRC, will not be influenced by this, or anything,
. . . and people who oppose her, likewise will not be moved in any way either
** UNDECIDEDs: How completely out-to-lunch do you have to be, for you to be undecided at this point? They say, that the election will be decided by the independents/undecideds. ANYBODY who claims to be 'undecided' here is really uninformed, and to think that THOSE PEOPLE will be the ones who end up determining who the next POTUS will be, is frightening
* * * *
Regarding this most recent episode; who knows for sure what exactly 'the deal' is?
Ms Clinton has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, that she has an aversion to telling the truth. The current explanation could easily be just one more lie, and her complete collapse while being 'helped' into that van, *could* be a glimpse into a condition much, much worse than the 'explanations' portray
At a minimum, her 'handlers' are doing a really poor job. They knew she was in poor health, and going out on a hot/warm day, and they still had her swaddled/bundled-up as if she were going out into a sub-freezing environment. OVERHEATING, shouldn't have been a surprise, it should have been an expectation
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"Mrs. Clinton is dismissive of the hoi polloi and is not always able to hide her contempt for the little people. The dislike many feel for her is precisely a result of the felt experience of her scorn..."
Clinton doesn't dislike all the little people -- just those "irredeemable" millions in the "Basket of Deplorables."
Clinton doesn't dislike all the little people -- just those "irredeemable" millions in the "Basket of Deplorables."
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Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment is spot on.
I like the fact she calls out some of the idiot Trump supporters.
I like the fact she calls out some of the idiot Trump supporters.
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This is the opportunity to promote Tim Kaine from VP candidate to POTUS candidate! He is more attractive and cleaner than the other names on both GOP and Democrat ballots. Go Tim Go!
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Wow, and who would have dreamed it could get more misogynistic than it is all ready
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He supported TPP before he flipped to join the ticket. No thanks.
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Pretty soon, if he keeps his promise:
"When are we going to get news about Donald’s medical problems, which are of great concern to many of us?"
Trump announced this morning that he's getting a full physical this week and has instructed his physicians to publicize the results. If he dishonors that promise, he will -- and should -- be punished severely in the polls.
"When are we going to get news about Donald’s medical problems, which are of great concern to many of us?"
Trump announced this morning that he's getting a full physical this week and has instructed his physicians to publicize the results. If he dishonors that promise, he will -- and should -- be punished severely in the polls.
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If the past is any guide and Hillary remains true to form, she will release her medical records over the last five to ten years including the year she had the concussion and blood clot which sidelined her for a number of months (and was cited by her during the FBI investigation as a possible reason she couldn't recall ever having a training session on the proper handling of classified material). And true to form, the report will seem at first glance pretty straightforward until a couple of peculiar gaps of information in the fine print are noticed along with some descriptions much more lawyerly than medical that Republicans will seize on as proof she is hiding something, calling for further investigation; while Democrats will try to convince themselves and everyone else it's yet just another tempest in a tea pot and should be completely ignored regardless of appearances. And it'll be here we go again.
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We aren't doing ourselves any favors if we continue to insist that Clinton maintain a defensive pose and move along easily when Trump continues his remarkable insult full and nearly fact free campaign.
Something closer to a level playing field would make sense.
Something closer to a level playing field would make sense.
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She shouldn't have to release her past medical records. What she should have to do is submit to a comprehensive physical exam *now*, by doctors at Walter Reed or somewhere where they're not on her payroll.
The double standard is mind boggling.
Just watched a female anchor on supposedly liberal MSNBC mercilessly badgering Rep. Crowley, a Clinton surrogate, over Hillary's transparency problem. He tried to open up the discussion to a consideration of Trump's lack of transparency - to say the least - on his taxes, health records, and secret policy plans.
No, this reporter wanted Crowley to admit that Clinton should apologize to the American people for having not sent her a Snap Chat just as soon as Clinton collapsed into her car.
Moments later the same anchor "got tough" with a Trump spokesperson:
REPORTER: What about Donald Trump's lack of transparency on tax returns?
SURROGATE: Donald Trump has been completely transparent on his tax returns and has said that he will release them when the audit is finished.
REPORTER: Next question.
In other words, a Matt Lauerish moment, with no follow up whatsoever on what is so transparently a mega-evasion on the Trump campaign's part that it makes Clinton's so-called "pattern of non-transparency" look like a brief hiccup.
And then David Axelroad, piling on Clinton about non-transparency in a tweet.
Hey David, were you the guy who promptly scrubbed this promise from Obama's 2008 primary campaign on health care?
"Obama will repeal the ban on direct negotiation with drug companies and use the resulting savings, which could be as high as $30 billion,50 to further invest in improving health care coverage and quality."
Just watched a female anchor on supposedly liberal MSNBC mercilessly badgering Rep. Crowley, a Clinton surrogate, over Hillary's transparency problem. He tried to open up the discussion to a consideration of Trump's lack of transparency - to say the least - on his taxes, health records, and secret policy plans.
No, this reporter wanted Crowley to admit that Clinton should apologize to the American people for having not sent her a Snap Chat just as soon as Clinton collapsed into her car.
Moments later the same anchor "got tough" with a Trump spokesperson:
REPORTER: What about Donald Trump's lack of transparency on tax returns?
SURROGATE: Donald Trump has been completely transparent on his tax returns and has said that he will release them when the audit is finished.
REPORTER: Next question.
In other words, a Matt Lauerish moment, with no follow up whatsoever on what is so transparently a mega-evasion on the Trump campaign's part that it makes Clinton's so-called "pattern of non-transparency" look like a brief hiccup.
And then David Axelroad, piling on Clinton about non-transparency in a tweet.
Hey David, were you the guy who promptly scrubbed this promise from Obama's 2008 primary campaign on health care?
"Obama will repeal the ban on direct negotiation with drug companies and use the resulting savings, which could be as high as $30 billion,50 to further invest in improving health care coverage and quality."
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This should help orient you somewhat in your bewildered state: MSNBC was grilling Clinton surrogates because she isn't exactly a beacon of Leftist ideology.
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Earth to Wanderer.
The anchor was not Rachel Maddow and, yes, she did show her leftist credentials brilliantly by not following up on the Trump surrogate's flakking of Trump's transparency on his tax returns.
Wanderer should check the video tape before he plants a foot so deeply in his/her boca. S/He has apparently not gotten the memo about MSNBC's shift to the right that everybody else has known about for some time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/msnbc-chris-hayes-daytime-lineup_us_...
"NEW YORK — MSNBC highlighted last week [late May 2016] just how far it’s shifted away from the “lean forward” Obama years in a new ad promoting its growing stable of conservative voices. “People might start accusing us of leaning too far to the right,” the network boasted."
And just before the above mentioned hard hitting push back on the Trump surrogate, Steve Kornacki, apparently competing for a permanent anchor seat, spent time promoting a story on the big number of the day arguing that something like 48% of Trump supporters in a poll from the Spring were equivalent in terms of their racism, homophobia, or other delightful counter-cultural trait to Clinton's 32% from the same period.
Makes David Brooksian false equivalences look like Gospel truth.
Kornacki, who peaked with his Chris Christie takedowns, must feel like he has to wash out his mouth with soap and water after doing this sort of bidding of the MSNBC suits' version of "Fair and Balanced."
The anchor was not Rachel Maddow and, yes, she did show her leftist credentials brilliantly by not following up on the Trump surrogate's flakking of Trump's transparency on his tax returns.
Wanderer should check the video tape before he plants a foot so deeply in his/her boca. S/He has apparently not gotten the memo about MSNBC's shift to the right that everybody else has known about for some time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/msnbc-chris-hayes-daytime-lineup_us_...
"NEW YORK — MSNBC highlighted last week [late May 2016] just how far it’s shifted away from the “lean forward” Obama years in a new ad promoting its growing stable of conservative voices. “People might start accusing us of leaning too far to the right,” the network boasted."
And just before the above mentioned hard hitting push back on the Trump surrogate, Steve Kornacki, apparently competing for a permanent anchor seat, spent time promoting a story on the big number of the day arguing that something like 48% of Trump supporters in a poll from the Spring were equivalent in terms of their racism, homophobia, or other delightful counter-cultural trait to Clinton's 32% from the same period.
Makes David Brooksian false equivalences look like Gospel truth.
Kornacki, who peaked with his Chris Christie takedowns, must feel like he has to wash out his mouth with soap and water after doing this sort of bidding of the MSNBC suits' version of "Fair and Balanced."
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Please. These political surrogates have no moral compass and could easily turn and begin arguing the other side without even taking a breath.
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We can see how this goes.
Her doctors will release more information, but they'll be branded as liars, and Clinton, once more, will be held to an impossible standard.
Meanwhile, those same standard-bearers, including the media, are too scared to ask Donald Trump to release a detailed medical report, or tax return, for that matter. The man eats fast food regularly. Isn't it likely he has high blood pressure and high cholesterol, which could have implications for his heart health?
So why the double standard?
I really want to know.
Her doctors will release more information, but they'll be branded as liars, and Clinton, once more, will be held to an impossible standard.
Meanwhile, those same standard-bearers, including the media, are too scared to ask Donald Trump to release a detailed medical report, or tax return, for that matter. The man eats fast food regularly. Isn't it likely he has high blood pressure and high cholesterol, which could have implications for his heart health?
So why the double standard?
I really want to know.
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No one trusts her because she has frequently been caught in untruths, that's why.
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"So why the double standard?"
Because Donald Trump does not require his handlers to waltz him around like Bernie Lomax, the way they do with Hillary.
Because Donald Trump does not require his handlers to waltz him around like Bernie Lomax, the way they do with Hillary.
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Double standard is the word for it. The fourth estate can do better.
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Obama '16
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Michelle? I'm in.
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Michelle for President 2016 sounds better to me.
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This means nothing to me. Mrs. Clinton got pneumonia, it's a rough illness but I've had a lot worse and lived through it (Legionnaire's among other things). She stumbled, sure, but that's not as bad as the time Jerry Ford fell down an up escalator for three days straight.
Trump has given no information about his health but it must be bad; he's rather overweight, doesn't exercise, his skin doesn't look good, particularly around the eyes, and his diet is abysmally unhealthy. So whatever the condition of Mrs. Clinton's health is, it's better than Trump's.
But when it comes down to it, if it was divulged that she had a brain tumor that would indubitably prove fatal within a year, I'd still vote for her. I'd be fine with Mr. Kaine taking over for her, and both of them are incredibly preferable to the lying, fascist, racist, sexist, incompetent, ignorant, unhealthy Trump.
Trump has given no information about his health but it must be bad; he's rather overweight, doesn't exercise, his skin doesn't look good, particularly around the eyes, and his diet is abysmally unhealthy. So whatever the condition of Mrs. Clinton's health is, it's better than Trump's.
But when it comes down to it, if it was divulged that she had a brain tumor that would indubitably prove fatal within a year, I'd still vote for her. I'd be fine with Mr. Kaine taking over for her, and both of them are incredibly preferable to the lying, fascist, racist, sexist, incompetent, ignorant, unhealthy Trump.
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I heard a rumor she had a brain tumor. It was started by someone called Slackhouse. Pass it on.
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"So whatever the condition of Mrs. Clinton's health is, it's better than Trump's."
Well, OK. Other than the concussion, the blurred vision for 2 months (or 6, according to Bill), the coughing fits, the collapse, and the pneumonia. Other than that, she is in much better shape than Trump.
Well, OK. Other than the concussion, the blurred vision for 2 months (or 6, according to Bill), the coughing fits, the collapse, and the pneumonia. Other than that, she is in much better shape than Trump.
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Of course you would, all of the progressive minions who have turned a blind eye to all the other Hillary red flags will not pay any attention to this.
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Why should we know the moment she was diagnosed? Can't you let the woman have some time to digest it and decide when it is right for her tell the public? For heavens sake, she doesn't have cancer. She has something she will recover from. Who can blame her for not wanting the lunatic Trump to get his hands on that info? Further more, she waited basically 48 hours. Remember when Churchill had a stroke and kept it private for weeks and weeks? No-one was running Britain. Clinton is a candidate, not the President. Yet. Give her some space.
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Yes, but ...
"Hilary Clinton even with pneumonia and dizzy from dehydration is 1000 times better than Donald Trump at his peak."
She could lose this thing. That possibility existed even before this incident, and now it's a more considerable possibility. She may be better than Trump, but is she better than Kaine? Is Kaine more likely to beat Trump than she is?
"Hilary Clinton even with pneumonia and dizzy from dehydration is 1000 times better than Donald Trump at his peak."
She could lose this thing. That possibility existed even before this incident, and now it's a more considerable possibility. She may be better than Trump, but is she better than Kaine? Is Kaine more likely to beat Trump than she is?
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Are you suggesting a Kaine mutiny?
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Move on....that meme too is just silly
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The armchair physicians here - It's Parkinson's! No, wait, it's a seizure! No, no, it's-it's-it's bad vitamins dropped from the mother ship! - are absolutely embarrassing.
Good grief, the woman has pneumonia. PNEUMONIA. She simply made it worse by working so hard after being diagnosed.
I really am embarrassed at how simple-minded my country has become that the likes of Alex Jones are actually taken seriously.
Good grief, the woman has pneumonia. PNEUMONIA. She simply made it worse by working so hard after being diagnosed.
I really am embarrassed at how simple-minded my country has become that the likes of Alex Jones are actually taken seriously.
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H has had similar episodes of falling the entire campaign, also when she suffered the concussion 4 years ago, so it's a long problem
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"Good grief, the woman has pneumonia"
Oh my, how could anyone doubt the truthfulness of information (misinformation) put forth by the Clinton cartel? Maybe she has pneumonia, maybe she doesn't, that is always the issue when the Clintons are involved.
Oh my, how could anyone doubt the truthfulness of information (misinformation) put forth by the Clinton cartel? Maybe she has pneumonia, maybe she doesn't, that is always the issue when the Clintons are involved.
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You do know this has nothing to do with pneumonia and everything to do with transparency, yes? Her team wasn't just secretive about it, her team attacked anyone that pointed out that she looked sick. Her campaign publicly called for a journalist to be fired for pointing out her "listless" look during a speech this week. Has the team apologized for that? Don't hold your breath.
Clinton campaign ads now need to adjust to national issues/needs by saying Trump is long on sound bites, but will be short on action. Clinton needs to tell national audience in national ads: In W.V., they need job training to adjust to new economy, here's what Democrats will do; in Ohio, they need infrastructure, here's what Democrats will do; in Florida, they need a plan to fight Zika, in N.C., they need .... etc., etc.
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Yes, Trump campaign should be put on defensive on not having coherent policies instead of putting Clinton on defensive for anything at all.
The sexism apparent in Lauer's forum is not peculiar to him.
The sexism apparent in Lauer's forum is not peculiar to him.
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With candidates of this age the hugely beneficial lifetime of experience comes with some health issues. Whether someone is for Clinton or Trump, would any supporter really prefer the healthier version of 20 years ago to the more experienced version of today?
I also don't care about Trump's tax records or Clinton's health charts. There has never been an election in US history where the two candidates were both so well known. But there has also never been an election with such a spread between the candidates' visions for the United States going forward.
In my view Clinton is the candidate of going forward by maintaining course. Trump is the candidate of changing course, or even reversing course, to go forward. These two opposite visions should be the focus, not endless droning on about whether some personality aspect is a foible or a virtue.
I also don't care about Trump's tax records or Clinton's health charts. There has never been an election in US history where the two candidates were both so well known. But there has also never been an election with such a spread between the candidates' visions for the United States going forward.
In my view Clinton is the candidate of going forward by maintaining course. Trump is the candidate of changing course, or even reversing course, to go forward. These two opposite visions should be the focus, not endless droning on about whether some personality aspect is a foible or a virtue.
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In other words, Clinton is the candidate of inertia.
Clinton is the candidate of going forward by "maintaining course" only in the sense of "defending Obama's policies". Since those policies have been obstructed for eight years, her plan can hardly be to "maintain" the status quo. I hope you weren't just doing what so many deceptive commenters here have done- that is, pretend that the course we are on, gridlocked as it is by the GOP, is somehow,somebody's "vision" of the course we should be on.
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Trump's tax returns are extremely important. We need to know to whom he owes money - Putin's oligarchs come to mind. I don't want a president who can be manipulated by the former KGB agent because of money. It is extremely important.
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A month ago, it was just a cough. Then, a week ago, the hacking fit was "seasonal allergies."
When she first collapsed to the payment, it was "overheating," even though it was a cool morning in NYC (I was there).
Then, 5 hours after her collaspe and with political pressure mounting, her various cough/allergy/overheating explanations miraculously mutated into pneumonia. hmm... what's the next explanation? Seizures? I hope not, but it seems quite likely.
They obviously knew long ago that something was seriously wrong, but hid it by lying, and by impugning anyone who would question her health as a conspiracy theorist. Guess what? Trump was right - again.
Typical Crooked Hillary. The miracle drugs you need are called "Truth" and "Transparency"
When she first collapsed to the payment, it was "overheating," even though it was a cool morning in NYC (I was there).
Then, 5 hours after her collaspe and with political pressure mounting, her various cough/allergy/overheating explanations miraculously mutated into pneumonia. hmm... what's the next explanation? Seizures? I hope not, but it seems quite likely.
They obviously knew long ago that something was seriously wrong, but hid it by lying, and by impugning anyone who would question her health as a conspiracy theorist. Guess what? Trump was right - again.
Typical Crooked Hillary. The miracle drugs you need are called "Truth" and "Transparency"
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This campaign is plagued by transparency issues. But the media treatment of Hillary Clinton's pneumonia is striking in it's relentless pursuit of the story and how horrible it is that they were kept in the dark for (OMG) almost 8 hours!
I have come to realize that most of the media doesn't hold Trump to a lower standard -- they hold him to no standard at all. Trump's refusals to discuss his birtherism, his refusal to release his tax records, and the press give him a pass because "he isn't a normal candidate." His surrogates answewr every question about Trump as if they were asked a question about Clinton.
C'mon people, do your jobs. And do them fairly.
I have come to realize that most of the media doesn't hold Trump to a lower standard -- they hold him to no standard at all. Trump's refusals to discuss his birtherism, his refusal to release his tax records, and the press give him a pass because "he isn't a normal candidate." His surrogates answewr every question about Trump as if they were asked a question about Clinton.
C'mon people, do your jobs. And do them fairly.
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A rather woolly, pedantic piece.
The bottom line is that Clinton chose to hide her pneumonia, until she couldn't anymore, because she's not very honest or trustworthy.
The bottom line is that Clinton chose to hide her pneumonia, until she couldn't anymore, because she's not very honest or trustworthy.
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So being "honest and trustworthy" means sending out a press release every time you go on antibiotics? That is crazy. But if that is the standard, I want to know the PSA results for Donald Trump and Mike Pence and Paul Ryan.
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Oh, c'mon. Offer some proof. Talk about wooly thinking. There are plenty of reasons in this situation for someone to keep campaigning until they can't. If Trump did this, you'd be attributing it to his great stamina.
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No she keep going, because like many of us, she is committed. Women are tough, David.
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But Trump managed to avoid getting drafted because he had heel spurs. He could have done desk work.
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"But Trump managed to avoid getting drafted because he had heel spurs. He could have done desk work."
Try to stay on point
Try to stay on point
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Point is, we don't know anything about Trump's health. Try to absorb the point.
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Where is the Clinton campaign's advisers and leadership? She needs to seriously consider shaking up her staff, as they seem to be lurching from one crisis to the next with no real plan. I want them to start being proactive instead of reacting and trying to sweep problems under the rug.
Hillary, want a plan? It looks something like this:
1) Pick somebody fresh in the campaign, preferably an outsider, to create a plan to address and put an end to the major "scandals", i.e. email server, health, and the Clinton Foundation. Get a line under all these problems and move on with them by end of September.
2) Immediately disclose any real health problems. Nobody is expecting perfect health. Get the information out there and move on.
3) Kaine needs to get out in public and hit the media circuit. See what Biden did for Obama in 2012 after Obama's poor debate. I see Trump and Pence on TV 24/7 while Kaine is nowhere to be found.
4) Hillary must take a few days off and recenter this campaign while she recovers from pneumonia. Her absence from a few minor rallies does not hurt. Running a directionless campaign is leading to disaster.
Good luck Mrs. Clinton. We need you.
Hillary, want a plan? It looks something like this:
1) Pick somebody fresh in the campaign, preferably an outsider, to create a plan to address and put an end to the major "scandals", i.e. email server, health, and the Clinton Foundation. Get a line under all these problems and move on with them by end of September.
2) Immediately disclose any real health problems. Nobody is expecting perfect health. Get the information out there and move on.
3) Kaine needs to get out in public and hit the media circuit. See what Biden did for Obama in 2012 after Obama's poor debate. I see Trump and Pence on TV 24/7 while Kaine is nowhere to be found.
4) Hillary must take a few days off and recenter this campaign while she recovers from pneumonia. Her absence from a few minor rallies does not hurt. Running a directionless campaign is leading to disaster.
Good luck Mrs. Clinton. We need you.
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She lied about Benghazi. She lied about emails. She lied about her health. My Dad taught me that if it looks and walks like a duck, it is most likely a duck!
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Really? And Donald Duck doesn't bother you?
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" the widely viewed video that surfaced yesterday, showing Clinton stumbling as she tried to enter a waiting van" Stumbling??? What like Gerald Ford stumbling? Nope, we all know what happened. How about, a full collapse passed out, feet dragging on the pavement and loaded into a van by two large men holding her up.
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And what precisely is your point?
Were you there or are you just projecting? Armchair physicians abound today!
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Uh, you can see it yourself if you watch the video. But then you'd have to admit jgury was correct. Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument, particularly one that involves name calling.
It was a seizure. She collapsed after the woman couldn't hold her up. It's not pneumonia. Let's be honest.
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Thank you for your learned opinion, Doctor.
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Let's be honest then, you're making that diagnosis based on a few seconds of video, with no medical training, no examination of the patient, and nothing but a dislike for Mrs. Clinton. So your diagnosis is worthless.
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Please let us all know where and when you got your medical degree.
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Eight years ago I was hospitalized for one week with pneumonia and a badly broken arm which required surgery. I was ill, was hallucinating and fell backward against a curb on the street, and it was dark and I was alone. Hillary Clinton was lucky to have two Secret Service men nearby to help her to her daughter's apartment. And she is lucky to not require hospitalization. Perhaps we would do well to remember that one of our greatest presidents, perhaps our greatest, was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who had polio for all of his years serving as president. We cannot imagine his suffering, however we should remember his strength and commitment. And in an equal spirit of generosity we should wish Hillary Clinton a speedy recovery and not chastise her for becoming ill.
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I do wish her a speedy recovery...and the patriotism to recognize what she'd subject the country to by fainting intermittently while running a vastly more complex (unnecessarily so - but you can refer to the aforementioned FDR for that) federal government.
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Well, there's a bumper sticker:
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT
At Least She Doesn't Have Polio!
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT
At Least She Doesn't Have Polio!
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Certainly we wish her a speedy recovery. On the other hand, this falling episode is not an isolated event. There is considerable video evidence so neurological problems, including the 471 bobs of her head in one panel session, the odd rolling of her eyes, freezing in front of an audience and so forth. It is the accumulating record of these episodes that is so troubling not the simply the most recent episode. Let us not conclude that since FDR served so well with polio, a disease not associated with any loss of mental acumen, that Hillary could function well with whatever condition that she might have.
Let us see a report written by an independent panel of medical doctors. It seems to me HRC should want to give the public that kind of information.
Let us see a report written by an independent panel of medical doctors. It seems to me HRC should want to give the public that kind of information.
So, let's see. Hillary and her team spend months bashing Trump's comments about her health as some type of conspiracy from the X-Files. Then, on Sunday, she collapses on national TV. She tells everyone she is "great". Then, a few hours later, her doctor tells us she has pneumonia. Ms. Dominus, in a clear effort to protect her candidate, somehow brings Susan Sontag in to deflect on the real issues here: Hillary may be a feminist icon, too tough to fall, but she is also a very slippery character who no one, even a majority of her own party, seems to trust. Ms. Dominus would have us think questions on her health are a former of misogyny, but they are not. They are legitimate questions that have clearly not been answered truthfully. I have no love for Trump, but give him credit for laying a trap and having HRC walk right into it.
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Get Real. If you were "interested" in health of the candidates there would be a standard approach to both, not stating that someone has dire diseases and then sniffing that you were oracular when someone finally has a commonly experienced illness, or conversely you would not accept that juvenile excuse of a hall monitor note from Trump's pretend doctor that his patient was examined in all of 4 minutes and was found to be the most spectacular male specimen ever seen, in spite of the Dumpster's habit of snarfing down fast food every day and looking like a large rectangle.
Ms. Dominus, if you hate Clinton, I can understand why you wrote this article. If you don't, I really can't, other than to say you are blind to your own massive projections and assumptions made in this article. The first two sentences told me how awful and unfair and speculative and biased the rest would be, and you didn't disappoint: "For all of her famed competence, Hillary Clinton has also been, from the beginning, something of a stumbler. While she was still a prospective first lady, she famously insulted all those cookie-baking mothers of the world; there was a gap between her and everywoman, and she walked right into it with a misstep that colored her public persona going forward." I'm sorry, but are you really going back to that cookie comment and painting it as an insult to stay-at-home mothers the world over? This was an ambitious woman with a law degree and a long history of activism, she simply was indicating that her role would be how she and her president husband defined it, not through some outdated sexist stereotype. My goodness, then you go on to use her pneumonia as a platform to attack her "deplorables" comment. I mean, with weeks and weeks of baseless speculation about her health, is it any wonder she wanted to keep her feeling-under-the-weather a wrap? Maybe not the best decision in light of this footage coming out, but hardly an unreasonable strategy given how much attention people like you are giving to this... SIGH, NYTimes supposed to be better!
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The first mistake, besides not announcing the diagnoses publicly, was to attempt to go to the 9-11 ceremony at all. Pilots learn that air disasters often start with one simple mistake or problem and then cascade into a multitude of difficulties from which recovery might not be possible. Was she, or they, reacting to the rumors that her health in general is not good?
I often wonder who is in charge of the Clinton campaign, her or the aides. She's obviously a strong willed woman with enough heavy weight experience to tell campaign aides to bug off, but, as everyone knows by now, she is still searching for her sea legs as a candidate and, to most observers, showing considerable unease in the public role. Fitted with a steely determination to make it work and sometimes coiled as tight as a cobra ready to strike, she often seems the polar opposite of traditional politicians.
She should have stayed home Sunday. As one who suffered through a mild case of pneumonia four years ago, going out and acting like everything is normal is pretty much the last thing you want to do or should be doing.
It is fair, given yesterday's events and her prior fall leading to a concussion, to ask whether she is suffering from balance problems more generally. It was upsetting to watch her head wobble from side to side just before her legs gave way entirely. Perfect health is not required of a candidate, but generally good health, and physical capacity, should not be too much to ask.
I often wonder who is in charge of the Clinton campaign, her or the aides. She's obviously a strong willed woman with enough heavy weight experience to tell campaign aides to bug off, but, as everyone knows by now, she is still searching for her sea legs as a candidate and, to most observers, showing considerable unease in the public role. Fitted with a steely determination to make it work and sometimes coiled as tight as a cobra ready to strike, she often seems the polar opposite of traditional politicians.
She should have stayed home Sunday. As one who suffered through a mild case of pneumonia four years ago, going out and acting like everything is normal is pretty much the last thing you want to do or should be doing.
It is fair, given yesterday's events and her prior fall leading to a concussion, to ask whether she is suffering from balance problems more generally. It was upsetting to watch her head wobble from side to side just before her legs gave way entirely. Perfect health is not required of a candidate, but generally good health, and physical capacity, should not be too much to ask.
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Maybe you've never gone to work sick -- but I can assure that millions of people do. They soldier on, no matter how crummy they feel -- especially women, who are used to being loaded with responsibilities at home and at work, even when they are ill.
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Hillary's Stumble humanizes her.
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After all is said and done.
Whether she was just tired from campaigning and it was the heat and dehydration
or
that she has a more serious illness
that fact that her Campaign was very slow to release her present condition
only confirms that her presidency will be one of:
obfuscation and secrecy.
Didn't we already have that once before-
must Hillary be " Nixon in Pant-suits " ?
Whether she was just tired from campaigning and it was the heat and dehydration
or
that she has a more serious illness
that fact that her Campaign was very slow to release her present condition
only confirms that her presidency will be one of:
obfuscation and secrecy.
Didn't we already have that once before-
must Hillary be " Nixon in Pant-suits " ?
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Much of what we've seen on the campaign trail this year explains why so-called better candidates didn't wish to run. It's expensive, and the press and public will probe every fiber of your being.
Clinton has showed us many, many tax returns. She's been investigated by Congress over and over again about everything imaginable, and now she's pressured into releasing more medical records. Why are we not demanding the same of her opponent? Just who does he think he is that he is unanswerable to the same level of scrutiny, and that he doesn't have to play by the same rules?
Clinton has showed us many, many tax returns. She's been investigated by Congress over and over again about everything imaginable, and now she's pressured into releasing more medical records. Why are we not demanding the same of her opponent? Just who does he think he is that he is unanswerable to the same level of scrutiny, and that he doesn't have to play by the same rules?
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I just heard Mike Pence, when asked about Trump apologizing to President Obama for the birther nonsense say, "We're not talking about that".
Oh. Well. Excuse me. Then I guess Mrs. Clinton doesn't have to tell us anything she would like to avoid. As Mitt Romney said, "What's good for the goose...."
Oh. Well. Excuse me. Then I guess Mrs. Clinton doesn't have to tell us anything she would like to avoid. As Mitt Romney said, "What's good for the goose...."
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The pressure of campaigning. And a certain doggedness about giving in. I suspect the collapse at the car was out of relief of the public critique. Unfortunately she wasn't. There were, as has been pointed out, many fumbles around this. We don't expect HRC to be Joan of Arc. She doesn't need to go up in flames for us. Be human. Show humanity (that deplorables comment was a bit Dickensian for this twitter age). Rest and get on and win the election for the Democratic Party.
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That "deplorable comment" was monumental in its truthfulness. I prefer that she not play the Donald Trump game, but that doesn't make what she said incorrect. A majority of his supporters are also racist, misogynist, xenophobes. And that is deplorable.
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Good - Hillary should put up her medical files. And so should Trump. In fact, we should have legal requirement for every single candidate for Presidency from all parties to pass a psychological, physical and knowledge test, and also provide last ten years of Tax Returns. Let's stop the nonsense, let's get all those questions off the table from now on. This fallacy of Trump's that "she's not strong enough" or doesn't "look presidential" are nasty, and in this day and age, utterly deplorable. Yes, there's that word again. As for Hillary, keeping yet another stupid secret unnecessarily because she didn't want to play in to Trump's comments about her looking weak - well, she's a very flawed candidate who hasn't learned a thing from past mistakes, and that's worrying.
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So now there's a health credential? JFK would never have passed that test.
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I am not sure that I agree with the level of transparency you are advocating for, but I agree that the level of transparency needs to be consistent, mandatory and objective. Not personal docs, but WH doctor.
Yes. The other problem is she has a history of not telling the truth, and of not complying with direct orders, and then lying about that. It comes back in part to the email scandal - she made several claims - she released all her emails - only to find out she didn't - She never sent classified material - only she did, She never received classified material - only she did. She didn't know what the C meant - only to find out she used it herself to symbolize and categorize the information she was sending as classified - What I am getting at is if she did release her medical records people would say they were falsified. It would be hard to know if they were or were not.
For the umpteenth time, it's not that she fell ill. Anyone can fall ill. The point is her campaign lied about it, more than once. HRC can't win an election like this by lying - voters are too angry and fed up with business as usual.
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Susan Cheyenne - Business as usual beats business as fraud every time.
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For the umpteenth time, it's not only that. It's that her campaign viciously attacked those, like Rudy Giuliani, who declared that she was sicker than she was saying, that she had a serious problem. It was utterly dishonest partisan defamation of character. It was beneath contempt.
And most of all, its that she refused to drink water when it was hot outside, actually fighting with her staff about it like a petulant child, refusing their sound advice and that of her doctor. A person who lacks such basic judgment simply cannot be trusted with the lives of the American people.
And most of all, its that she refused to drink water when it was hot outside, actually fighting with her staff about it like a petulant child, refusing their sound advice and that of her doctor. A person who lacks such basic judgment simply cannot be trusted with the lives of the American people.
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But he didn't "lie." She kept a medical condition that should pass in a couple of weeks to herself.
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I agree that she appeared to have passed out or felt momentarily weak, but we should realize that being overheated definitely can have that effect. I can remember a few times as a child almost passing out from heat after sports or exercise. Each time included loss of vision at first and then weakness. Passed out once as an adult from too much of a particular medication that had been prescribed and once immediately after receiving a shot, something that never had happened before or since. I have been close to heat prostration a couple times while playing tennis in extreme heat when in my prime, so if Hillary was wearing extra clothing, was sick, and there was high humidity as reported in the early and mid morning, she easily could have experienced heat prostration, which can lead to collapse if you don't sit down right away. I also had pneumonia as a child for no reason - just appeared out of the blue during a move to another state.
It is important to understand the general health of presidential candidates, but equally important not to misinterpret normal types of illnesses or responses to conditions that most people experience, regardless of age. Of primary importance is fitness to serve that is based on experience, competence, values, temperament, and worldview. The differences in these qualities are clearly on display daily and will profoundly influence the direction of our country and the world in the coming years.
It is important to understand the general health of presidential candidates, but equally important not to misinterpret normal types of illnesses or responses to conditions that most people experience, regardless of age. Of primary importance is fitness to serve that is based on experience, competence, values, temperament, and worldview. The differences in these qualities are clearly on display daily and will profoundly influence the direction of our country and the world in the coming years.
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This article states that Tom Brokaw said she had a possible brain injury, and on national tv? If so, maybe he was confusing her with Richard Jewell, whom he declared guilty of a crime he didn't commit--hadn't even been charged with; he was actually a hero at the time protecting people from an anti-abortion bomber during the '96 Olympics--which was also on national tv. We still don't know what the settlement was for this, but we do know it was a News story that NBC successfully covered up with his help.
If Brokaw got a pass because he was a lovable anchor, I don't see what's lovable about any of these anchors, who are often professional talkers that let all sorts of lies and innuendos routinely slide by*. Yesterday Marsha Blackburn (a deplorable?) from TN told Stepenoupolis on ABC that sect'y Clinton had insulted half the voters (or maybe half the American People) by calling them "deplorables". Clinton actually said "half of Trump supporters", but Stepenoupolis did not correct her, thus, in this observer's opinion, adding himself to that "basket of deplorables".
Too bad she felt obligated to modify her remarks, which are accurate. Somebody needs to lecture these people, who form their opinions out of racial prejudice or meanness. A strong leader will do this.
*Exceptions here would be Wanda Sykes, who described what you do when you discover a pedophile, and Melissa-Harris-Perry, who accurately described "Risk" in America.
If Brokaw got a pass because he was a lovable anchor, I don't see what's lovable about any of these anchors, who are often professional talkers that let all sorts of lies and innuendos routinely slide by*. Yesterday Marsha Blackburn (a deplorable?) from TN told Stepenoupolis on ABC that sect'y Clinton had insulted half the voters (or maybe half the American People) by calling them "deplorables". Clinton actually said "half of Trump supporters", but Stepenoupolis did not correct her, thus, in this observer's opinion, adding himself to that "basket of deplorables".
Too bad she felt obligated to modify her remarks, which are accurate. Somebody needs to lecture these people, who form their opinions out of racial prejudice or meanness. A strong leader will do this.
*Exceptions here would be Wanda Sykes, who described what you do when you discover a pedophile, and Melissa-Harris-Perry, who accurately described "Risk" in America.
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I am with her, and I am certain that there is at least one deplorable in that basket: Mr. Trump. But I still find this defense of her belated pneumonia disclosure by Ms. Dominus to be ex post facto absurdity: "In turning illness into a personality flaw, a dangerous side effect of femaleness, Trump most likely made it all the more difficult for Clinton to acknowledge straightaway whatever health issue was in fact troubling her, whenever it kicked in in earnest."
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Hillary on her death-bed is better than Trump. No contest.
This is not a health contest. Its a contest between two policies and people. Trump is a loser, sick or well.
This is not a health contest. Its a contest between two policies and people. Trump is a loser, sick or well.
It is very unfortunate that the Secret Service did not follow protocol—after a complete collapse right in front of their eyes—and immediately take Mrs. Clinton to the nearest hospital.
At the hospital, part of the work-up would have been a chest x-ray—which perhaps would have shown no infiltrate in her lungs and no evidence of pneumonia.
She would also have been given a complete neurological work-up—in the aftermath of this startling collapse.
A physician MD
At the hospital, part of the work-up would have been a chest x-ray—which perhaps would have shown no infiltrate in her lungs and no evidence of pneumonia.
She would also have been given a complete neurological work-up—in the aftermath of this startling collapse.
A physician MD
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I registered to vote at 18. That was 50 years ago and all I can say is that there is one fact about the Democrats that can be counted on: If any opportunity presents itself to hand-wring and bash their candidate, they will leap at the chance.
They don't need no stinkin' Republicans! They are their own republicans.
Here we go again with the hysteria and short-sightedness.....
They don't need no stinkin' Republicans! They are their own republicans.
Here we go again with the hysteria and short-sightedness.....
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I registered to vote at 18. That was 50 years ago
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That's impossible, as the 26th Amendment allowing 18 year olds to vote wasn't passed until 1971, 45 years ago.
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That's impossible, as the 26th Amendment allowing 18 year olds to vote wasn't passed until 1971, 45 years ago.
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"I don't look forward to 4 years of her dishonesty in the Oval Office, but she has one undeniable qualification: she is better than Trump."
Is Kaine also better than Trump? Is Sanders? Might the Democratic Party be wiser to use this controversy as an opportunity to replace Clinton with someone who can win?
Is Kaine also better than Trump? Is Sanders? Might the Democratic Party be wiser to use this controversy as an opportunity to replace Clinton with someone who can win?
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I believe we are making too much of this health thing, in both cases, Clinton and Trump. We should elect the person who we think is the best for the job regardless of what that person’s health is at the moment. We have a system in place to take care of the eventuality a President dies while in office or a President Elect dies before the inauguration. That is why we should carefully review the qualities of both members of each ticket and not just the merits of the person running for President. The person running for Vice President is not a sidekick in a stand comedy show; that person could be our President on a very short notice even if the President is the healthiest person on Earth. We have had a President that was not 100% healthy and died while in the White House but not because of the illness he had but because of his assassination. Conversely, we had a perfectly healthy President who died a few days after his inauguration from an unexpected sudden illness. So let’s move forward and elect the person that we think is the best and let God continue with the Divine Plan for that person.
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Pneumonia reduces the oxygen from the brain and can affect clarity of thinking. No one yet has said this. The impact of not having a fully functioning and compete mental faculties is not often even understood or acknowledged by the victim. Hillary needs rest at a time she needs to be strong. Maybe this will bring the empathy for her that has been seriously lacking. She is a human first, with all the trappings of being "on" all the time, and the toll it takes on anyone, let alone a presidential candidate.
Re: "we are making too much of this health thing, in both cases, Clinton and Trump". What health condition does Trump have? I don't care for the man. But I haven't heard of him having undisclosed ailments or collapsing or coughing uncontrollably or having aides nearby with injectables at the ready. Trump did not tell the FBI that he could not remember certain things due to having had a concussion. Two days ago on an NBC live feed, Tom Brokaw did not advise that Trump, but did advise that Hillary see a neurologist right away. And Trump does not wear sunglasses, as HRC did during the 9/11 event, with Zeiss Z1 blue lenses that are designed for people with light sensitive epilepsy.
I doubt the Devine has much to do with our elections.
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Hillary did more than stumble. She appeared to have fainted, was propped upright against a stanchion, dragged and tossed into a van like a piece of luggage. Watching Hillary be lurched about like a life-sized doll by the Secret Service was extremely painful to watch. I can't help but think that long-time aide Huma would have managed her boss's distress much better than the women who were with Hillary on Sunday. Where was Huma anyway?
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I can only assume Huma is trying to stay out of the public eye.
I viewed the same couple of videos virtually everyone has but what caught my eye was not the unfortunate collapse (not "stumble") of Clinton but the stone cold expressions and apparent lack of empathy on the part of her security detail and personal staff. They seemed to treat her as an object and not as a person who was ill, especially when they appeared to toss her head first into the van. All very odd and disturbing.
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I viewed the same couple of videos virtually everyone has but what caught my eye was not the unfortunate collapse (not "stumble") of Clinton but the stone cold expressions and apparent lack of empathy on the part of her security detail and personal staff
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Probably because they have seen it many times before, out of the public eye.
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Probably because they have seen it many times before, out of the public eye.
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For someone who values her privacy far more than the average person, one has to question why Hillary Clinton throughout her lifetime has masochistically chosen the glare of politics as her chosen profession. Even actors who want some control over their celebrity stick to theatre and avoid Hollywood. Makes no sense to me at all. No wonder she always is out of step with her public persona. It's hard enough to manage one life, let alone two (private and public) as separate entities.
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The most qualified person to seek the Presidency in decades has literally run herself ragged to keep her candidacy on "the high road" against the daily onslaught of Trump insulting, incoherent rants. It was pretty evident during the press conference after Friday's security roundtable that something was wrong with HRC. She was subdued and seemed very tired, and should have said so to take the weekend and rest. The fundraiser speech was even more evidence that she was struggling. But to say anything, and bow out of the 9/11 ceremony, would have played into the health conspiracy theory even more. Instead, she had to stumble in public, turning her distress into another "news" story to feed both the scurrilous Trump narrative and the voracious 24/7 news cycle. What a sad state our Presidential campaign has devolved into.
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The most qualified person to seek the Presidency in decades has literally run herself ragged to keep her candidacy on "the high road" against the daily onslaught of Trump insulting, incoherent rants.
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Characterizing a quarter of the population of the US as "deplorable" is certainly what I call keeping' it on "the high road"
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Characterizing a quarter of the population of the US as "deplorable" is certainly what I call keeping' it on "the high road"
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Well said MCV207
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But I suppose it's okay for Trump to denigrate thousands of Mexican Americans and thousands of Muslim-Americans, along with people with disabilities and, lest we forget, a former POW who had the temerity to be shot down over Vietnam.
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I feel like the public needs to start demonstrating in the street at the horrid coverage of this campaign. Years of missteps?? This is the most qualified candidate we've had in years. She has proven herself over and over. She's accomplished great things and our country deserves to have Hillary Clinton as our president.
I watched the donald spew another round of lies today. The guy is a disaster. Where are your big headlines on the disaster running for the GOP?
What the public is seeing is that we have one serious candidate and a lunatic. Most of us are astonished at what the press is reporting, it's so far off the mark. And you criticize her for protecting her privacy, for an hour?
I watched the donald spew another round of lies today. The guy is a disaster. Where are your big headlines on the disaster running for the GOP?
What the public is seeing is that we have one serious candidate and a lunatic. Most of us are astonished at what the press is reporting, it's so far off the mark. And you criticize her for protecting her privacy, for an hour?
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Was Hillary doing her best Gerald Ford imitation or was she actually sick ? The answer is she was actually sick with pneumonia, no small ailment for a 68 year old. The National Media frenzy has just begun.
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Just tell the truth. Pneumonia on Friday, problem on Sunday, we'd be talking about her courage in the face of adversity.
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potential to be a great President than her rival.