New Wave of American Soccer Players in Europe Bucks a Trend

Sep 07, 2016 · 39 comments
Jeanette Andia (Northridge)
Reus, Gotze and Schurlle will provide Pulisic plenty of challenge and it will only make him better. Dortmund understands he is only 17 and if he can't claim first team minutes, I am sure they will provide time elsewhere while he continues to develop. Would love to see him beat those guys out for significant first team minutes.
Terence (nowheresville)
When I want to relax to a slow moving game of kick the ball around, I watch an MLS match. Then I watched the highlights of my home team losing an NSL match. Sometimes I'll even watch women's league soccer match which I think could beat my NSL home team. They all can be pretty relaxing. And sometimes there is some excitement.
Satyaban (Baltimore, Md)
I consider the MSL as a league where players go when they don't have the talent to play in the best Euro leagues and players who are past their prime come to play because they love the game and still want to play with their diminished skills.
N. Smith (New York City)
I'm with Klinsi on this one. U.S. players should definitely get out there and play in the European Leagues, if at all possible.
Yes, there are vast differences between the training level, and the expectations of where one should be at, at a certain age -- but to gain international playing exprience is priceless.
And of course we take this game very seriously in Germany, which is why someone at 20 who hasn't made it out of the Second League probably won't, but that isn't something that should deter American players from going abroad.
PS (Vancouver, Canada)
My career - promising as it was - in football was cut short by a lack of talent; so, I really admire the drive of some of these players - Yedlin comes to mind - who have made it in Europe. True, Yanks don't have that football culture, but I watch a lot of EPL and remember thinking, after watching Donovan, Dempsey, Cameron, Yedlin et al., through several matches, yes, they belong here.
CPBrown (Baltimore, MD)
What's not mentioned is that it's difficult for *everyone* to break out in the best European leagues, especially the Premiere. How long did it take Jamie Vardy, and he's a pretty serviceable player. And English as well.

But I think that playing regularly is more important than sitting on the bench of a big time team. So, if the MLS is where you can keep playing, than that's better than the alternative.
RN (Denver)
The US is in a bit of a conundrum. We need a top level domestic league (MLS) to best develop our talent. Since we don't have that, our players are better off playing abroad. With our best players playing abroad, MLS struggles to reach that level.

As MLS develops, hopefully more and more of our native talent will play here and improve the league. Eventually it will become on of the top leagues, it's just going to take a while. Until then, our young players have a difficult choice.
FingersCrossed (New York)
There are many Americans playing in Europe but it's hard to see since none of them play for the biggest clubs that are on TV all the time (e.g. Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona, Juventus). Americans are also up against a perception that the US is still not a "soccer country." If a European coach is given a choice between an American player and Argentinian player, both of equal skill and salary demands, the coach will take the Argentinian player 90% of the time. It's up to US players to change that perception by performing on the field when given the opportunity. The game at the youth level in the US is slowly changing. Based on what I have seen as a youth coach for the last 10 years, there is much more emphasis on "development" and not as much on winning. There is still a long way to go mind you but the top youth clubs are making a concerted effort to keep the focus on developing players. Layered on top of that are the MLS academies, many of which have become quite good at developing talent and either pushing those kids up to the senior team like Sean Davis at NY Red Bulls or selling them off to European teams like Matt Miazga to Chelsea. Over the next 10-20 years, almost all of the top level of young US players will not play in high school or college. They will either be in an MLS academy or a USSF academy club. We have to remember that Europe and South America have a 100-year head start on us. The US is developing more talent than ever. People just need to be patient.
Buzzy (CT)
OK, let's get serious. Many of the comments below walk past the bedrock reason more Americans don't play in the EPL, etc. Here are the reasons: multi billion dollar sports such as football, hockey, basketball, baseball and tennis. Simply saying soccer is "a better sport" or "the beautiful" game has appeal to those who, generally, grew up with it. Most Americans grew up with the sports mentioned above. Soccer/MLS is trying to create a separate path to the big leagues. This often involves notable expense and, perhaps more importantly, youth teams and leagues that NO ONE CARES ABOUT. Let's take High School basketball or football for example. Generally speaking this is where potential college players and pros play their developmental game. This is where social interaction occurs among other students. They know the players, they become attached to the sports beyond their own early experiences. Soccer wants to look to Europe and remove the stronger players from HS sports and put them on US Soccer Development Academy teams. Two things: 1) This is not Europe, Europe has no history of High School sports to speak of 2) While I am sure these teams do offer fine coaching, it is ABSOLUTELY part of a money making business for these coaches and these coaches are strong proponents of these leagues and teams for this reason. It is year round employment.
If soccer wants to cultivate organic enthusiasm for the game, place or train High School coaches, don't try and recreate Europe.
Paul (Bellerose Terrace)
Buzzy, you could not be more wrong. The best players are playing first team professional football before they would be graduated from high school. Wayne Rooney cracked Everton's first team at 15.
High School Soccer is not nearly good enough, and it doesn't lead to professionalism, it leads to college, where the quality is several quanta below MLS.
Christian Pulisic, who started for the USMNT last night, is 17, or starting his senior year in HS. Would he have the quality training with and against high schoolers, or against seasoned pros? No question what the answer is. Training with Borussia Dortmund is akin to training with the Cavaliers, not local high school.
RN (Denver)
The Academy teams run by MLS teams are free to the players. The team picks up the tab. Many other Academies do charge and it's about twice the cost of playing on their normal competitive teams. Not cheap.

The US has already tried the high school system and because of it's failure, the Developmental Academy was created. Part of this failure was that high school coaches are not part of US soccer and are free to do what THEY want. Often this was in opposition to US soccer's plans for player development which were developed based on research of other successful development systems.

Bottom line, US soccer created the Developmental Academy system not to make money but to develop better talent to feed the National Team.
Buzzy (CT)
Here is the average data for the PL squads as of last summer. The numbers look strikingly similar to the NBA, MLB and NFL. Naming outliers does not construct a solid argument. For every Kobe, their were many more absolutely NOT ready at 18:
http://www.90min.com/posts/2405074-revealed-the-average-ages-of-all-20-p...
Please, Paul, go to some of these games:
http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/league/standings.php?leagueId=MT...
Who is there? Moms, Dads and the little sibs dragged along...
Tanmay Patil (Boston)
Unlike many European and South American countries, soccer in the United States is still in it’s infancy. The sport continues to grow, but the United States still manages to struggle whenever the most demanding competition arises. In order to improve the United States Men’s National Team (USMNT), there must be some cultural changes in the development of young players. These changes are seen in the trend of sending young players to Europe. This should ultimately improve the USMNT and allow for America to grow as a soccer playing nation. Unfortunately, there are difficulties for American players who must try to further their career abroad. Breaking into a high profile European team is never an easy task. Often, European talent tends to be more prepared for a first team breakthrough than some American players. Additionally, the quality of the game is on a significantly higher level than that of the MLS or collegiate leagues. In fact, it is astonishing that certain players such as Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley and Tim Howard would return to the MLS. Dempsey, one of the more prolific goal scorers for the USMNT has had good spells in the Premier League, scoring over fifty goals for clubs including Fulham and Tottenham Hotspur. Playing in such a physical league has no doubt improved his skills. Experience at a high level of play is vital for young Americans to succeed in Europe. Sending young players directly into Europe’s top leagues will improve the quality of the USMNT.
rella (VA)
"Sending young players directly into Europe's top leagues..." The teams in those leagues do get a say, don't they? Further, there are hundreds, if not thousands of young players from every continent with similar ambitions, and the handful of top leagues can't accommodate them all. The line forms to the left.
kount kookula (east hampton, ny)
It's all about SPEED + time allowed on the ball - watch an MLS game (inp person) & a La Liga(Serie A/Bundesliga/Premier League game (in person) and you'll immediately notice the players' pace & how fast space closes down. that's what JK knows the USMNT faces in int'l play (& it's not Frank Lampard)
Martin D (Moline, IL)
One of the reasons why American soccer players find playing in the European stage difficult IS because Americans aren't associated with "the beautiful game". In American schools students some times face ridicule for playing soccer; nicknames like "grass fairy" or "twinkle toes" create an atmosphere where a choice has to be made. Play the game you love or face backlash. Americans play soccer with grit and more determination than due to the fact that he or she has to prove that the game being played is a game of warriors and champions. To make soccer more popular in america we have to fix the MLS create a new league of talented players and not a league for retired players. The potential for American greats to play In teams like Paris Saint Germane or Bayern Munich is there but a cultural change has to occur to make young and women turn to soccer and to experience the beautiful game first hand.
FG (Houston)
@Martin - you describe a situation that existed 20 years ago in the US. The current state is that we are clearly developing a broad talent stream that enables our USMNT to compete with any team in the world. We are missing that one magically talented player, but the boat is rising here as well. The most important development under Klinsman has been the start of the development of our national team style and persona. This has to reflect our country. Not beautiful yet, but improving every cycle.
Ehren (Portland, OR)
American players face unique challenges to break into European squads, most notably the restrictions that many leagues place on the number of non-EU players allowed per club. It's telling that a number of the Americans mentioned in this article benefitted from having EU citizenship through a parent or grandparent (Gooch: UK/Ireland; Miazga: Poland; Hyndman: Portugal; Pulisic: Croatia). Getting a work permit to the English FA is especially challenging. For non-EU players because they are required to play a minimum number of competitive matches with their senior national team in order to qualify for a work permit. This creates a chicken-and-egg dilemma for players who cannot break into Klinsmann's senior USA squad because they lack club experience in European leagues that won't admit them until they have played enough games for their national teams. Even Tim Howard (Hungary) and Deandre Yedlin (Latvia) had a "Plan B" for work permitting via their direct European links to fall back on if their work permits had been denied. How many talented American players can't break through into Europe largely because they can't help their case by holding an EU passport?
Alec (London)
Far from being a unique challenge those work permit restrictions effect players from across the globe whether they're from Brazil, Nigeria or anywhere else. Nevertheless, Brazil (53) had more players in the Champions League last season than England (12), Italy (19) and the Netherlands (18) combined last season. While players like Saido Mane, Yaya Toure and Keisuke Honda all worked their way up to top European clubs despite a conspicuous absence of convenient Latvian grandparents.

What's really holding more US players back from playing in Europe is a lack of talent and an unwillingness to leave their comfort zone (yes, I'm looking at you Landon).
Luke (Skaneateles)
I actually hadn't really thought of this, (nor was this on my radar) but after reading your comment it makes a lot of sense. Now especially with Brexit, I know the EPL was thought to be more difficult to play in, and that was for Euro players not Americans! Thanks for the incite.
Paul (Bellerose Terrace)
I would hardly characterize Miazga to Chelsea as a success. He played a grand total of two matches when injuries and suspension left them threadbare. He's far better off getting a regular run out at Utrecht than training and playing reserve matches at Chelsea. The same thing happened for Yedlin at Spurs (not to mention Demosey, who went from Europa League finalist at Fulham to afterthought at Spurs). If Yedlin plays regularly for Benitez at Newcastle, he'll be far more polshed than he's been, particularly in defense, his weakness.
A lot of this is the vagaries of who is managing the team. Nobody illustrates that better than Bradley, whose European career was so capriciously tossed and turned by management changes and jumps to clubs just above his capacity to break into.
On the first week of the Bundesliga season, Bobby Wood scored an excellent goal, running the inside right channel, taking in a pass, holding off an experienced defender before beating the keeper on the run. That was a big time goal. And it was a tougher goal to make than anything Jordan Morris has had to do for MLS playoff bubble team Seattle ( and the subject of a Times profile being said to be good at soccer).
John Anthony Brooks has profited handsomely by a steady hand at Hertha, and has improved by leaps and bounds the last two seasons. Playing in Europe, a player has no upper limit, not true in the slower, less skilled MLS game.
RN (Denver)
Yes but a top tier domestic league would be a massive bonus to US soccer development. Players have better access to MLS, not requiring very hard to get work visas and not having to adapt to a different culture. That's the catch, without retaining our best players, MLS is struggling to become one of the best. Without being one of the best, players don't want to play for MLS. It getting better, slowly, but better.
Paul (Bellerose Terrace)
@RN, I agree that upgrading Mostly Lousy Soccer would be a boon to the USMNT.
But even the elite teams, like the Galaxy, got thrashed in the CCL, with Gerrard, Dos Santos, De Jong and Keane playing (last edition).

The last MLS team to go far was the Montreal Impact, which made the CCL based on nothing they did in MLS, where they finished bottom of the Eastern Conference, but by winning the Canadian Cup. They did beat out Energy Drink in CCL group play.

If the Mexcan teams always eat MLS' teams lunch in the CCL, well there has to be an effort to get to where the Liga MX teams are, and then improve from there. Because Liga MX teams have performed dreadfully in the Club World Cup. There is a long, long, long way to go. The salary cap hamstrings MLS. You've got 3, $million+ players per team, and some kids making the league minimum of $40K, per YEAR.
Relegation and promotion would help quality, too. For too long, first Chivas USA was a dreadful doormat. How long since Chicago was even half decent? But the league supports mediocrity, and that's a yuge handicap.
Gene Griego (L'Ampolla, Spain)
Unfortunately it will never happen! Professional sports in the US is all about money. And nobody but nobody will through that kind of money at football (soccer). Sorry to say!
Kingfish52 (Collbran, CO)
Until we create a cohesive system of player development, and we continue to rely on European clubs to do our development, we're going to be a second-tier soccer nation. We need an extensive soccer academy to develop players using a common approach, rather than the hodgepodge we have now with college systems, youth systems, club systems. Players should be taught the same concepts from their earliest age all the up the ladder. And MLS clubs should have developmental academies themselves, like European clubs do. This way, American players can develop consistently here at home, instead of having to go abroad. Sure, playing in Europe should be an option, but it shouldn't be doing our work for us.
D. L. Willis, MD, MPH (France)
Yes, the USA needs a cohesive training football system like those in Europe. But the highest caliber of competition is in Europe. Consider the NBA, basketball players in Europe aspire to play in the USA. Why? You can only get better my playing the best. Are international players who come to the USA to play our national sports emotionally tougher than American players? If so Team USA will never be competitive against the elite football nations.
Paul (Bellerose Terrace)
Kingfish, one of the biggest hurdles is the long entrenched system of travel soccer, coaching showcases with parents dreaming of a D-I ride. By the time they graduate, at 21? Well, at that age, just to name a few, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney, Aaron Ramsey and Lionel Messi all had between 4 and 6 YEARS of first team, first division football. Until the USSF and MLS are willing to break up that system's dominance, it's never going to be solved. MLS is very complicit because they're seemingly very happy with the "super draft" and bringing in college kids, already used to the MLS more languid pace compared to European football.
Charlie (New York)
Paul - the "system" is actually part of "The American Dream," which includes some form of higher education apart from the professional sports world. American parents still inculcate their kids with the idea that an education trumps everything. I happen to agree that this is the correct path, as time-consuming as it is. And if it costs us standing in the international soccer community, so be it.
L. Clements (NY, NY)
Good article. The MLS is a joke. Playing at the wrong time of year, with retreads and old men from Europe. The only way we complete on the world stage is to complete via Europe and its time zone and against them. Otherwise we will always be second tier.
Mark (West Orange, NJ)
If you think playing through the winter to match the European calendar is the way to go, you're incorrect.

If MLS is "a joke," it's because of the small size of the salary rolls. MLS has continued to grow steadily for 21 seasons.
Gene Griego (L'Ampolla, Spain)
If the growth after 21 seasons is what is seen in the MLS these days, then even another 42 years will not lead it to the international level. It is and will always be (w/o serious money thrown into it) a second or third tier league going nowhere...
Martin (NYC)
Why is playing through the winter incorrect (other than competition with other American sports? Having attended NYCFC games in the summer here, I can say that both the fans and the players seem to be exhausted from the heat. Why MLS is not of the highest quality to begin with, some of the July and August games are pretty much unwatchable.
Brian (Brooklyn)
Anyone actually watching Christian Pulisic play would not describe him as "not an impact player."
Paul (Bellerose Terrace)
The question for Pulisic looms about getting into Dortmund's first team. They turned over some of the old guard, but brought in new players, too. Tuchel will have to at least look at the people Zorc spent big on, but Pulisic will have to be ready. Now might be the time with Reus still not ready to come back from injury.
He showed last year's second half that he's a great talent, but in top teams, Champions League teams, there are scads of talented players. And it's no longer about last year. He's gotta make an impact this year.
RN (Denver)
Reus, Gotze and Schurlle will provide Pulisic plenty of challenge and it will only make him better. Dortmund understands he is only 17 and if he can't claim first team minutes, I am sure they will provide time elsewhere while he continues to develop. Would love to see him beat those guys out for significant first team minutes.
Paul (Bellerose Terrace)
Schurrle will eventually make Tuchel want to pull out his hair. This is a make or break stop for Schurrle, not Pulisic. Reus' injury history augurs against him, too. But they brought in young Dembele, too. This is a big year for Gotze, too, after not making an impression at Bayern.
I'd love for Pulisic to make an impression.
Mark (West Orange, NJ)
Sad to see that European attitudes haven't changed as US players are in their third decade of meaningful contributions there.
Paul (Bellerose Terrace)
No, Mark, there are a lot more Americans playing. A lot you don't see much because they're in lower divisions. In fact, there have never been more, and some have even found their way into European academies, something unseen since John O'Brien.
Martin (NYC)
Agreed. And some of these lower divisions (let's say second division in Germany, where there are a few American players) still feature better quality play than MLS.
The players just need to start playing over there at younger ages more often. Not all can and will join Dortmund.