Having said that I will vote for HRC, I will also say that I am not thrilled about it. It is unlikely that we will ever elect someone whom we can trust to the extent that we go home from the polls and believe our job is done. It will always be our duty to be skeptical, vigilant and active.
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If Hillary wanted the black vote she could go out and get it. Instead she's just assuming that the younger black generation is on her side because the older one was on her husband's. She's talked down to BLM protestors, and her history aside from the super predator issue is deep rooted - she campaigned for a racist in the 60s and bears his logo today. Again, not sure why the Dems thought she'd be a good choice, but I wouldn't blame any black voter for staying out of this one - it's a no win situation.
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I should probably take some comfort in the fact that millennial 'brats" know no color boundaries, but I don't. Seriously? If you can't tell the difference between Donald Trump's racism and 40 years of lies told about Hillary Clinton, then you don't even deserve the vote you are throwing away by either not voting or voting for him. And, you deserve what you get. However, I don't. Neither do your parents of grandparents. Get a grip, kids. Grow up. Be the change you seek, don't just whine and complain about it. And, work for it. And, work with the candidate who is not racist. Oh, and NY Times? I am really tired of your "false-equivalency' reporting. I'm starting to believe your journalists are all bratty millennials, too. This article is a disgrace.
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"Mr. Demissie said the Clinton campaign’s efforts were more expansive, pointing to voter registration efforts already underway in barbershops and salons as well as sneaker and video game stores."
... and therein lies the problem. This is outreach effort feeds on the outdated notion that African-Americans are interested in little else than hair styling, video games and the latest from Nike. While the Clinton campaign may reach some segment of the community with that strategy, it misses the experience of younger voters with much broader interests. This smacks of pandering to me.
... and therein lies the problem. This is outreach effort feeds on the outdated notion that African-Americans are interested in little else than hair styling, video games and the latest from Nike. While the Clinton campaign may reach some segment of the community with that strategy, it misses the experience of younger voters with much broader interests. This smacks of pandering to me.
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Yes, the majority of Americans, no matter what their DNA, are disgusted with both candidates. We get it. The Democratic and GOP establishment have no one to blame for this absurd/depressing general election circus but themselves. The disaffected African-American voters in this article should cease trying to figure out how to "fit" within the Democratic Party dance and found their own third party. We need more political parties in this country. Is anyone truly surprised that Clinton has subsequently backed away from the leftist positions she assumed when running against Sanders? Basically, we have to two moderate to conservative Democratic candidates, both with overwhelming amounts of baggage. The presidential race is dull, lacks enthusiasm from the centrists who decide the election, and these centrists keep disengaging from the political process because they can't stomach the fatal flaws of either candidate.
As a lifelong reader of the NY Times, I am rather surprised that every political article I've read in the past year is constructed from some predictable ideological viewpoint that is entirely outdated. We Gen-X'ers have to get it together. As a Gen-X'er, I completely understand how Millennials are disaffected by the current political discourse in this country. They demand better. They aren't going to see any improvement until the Leftist Baby Boomer Democratic Establishment gets to elect Hillary. (Which ironically, Gen-X and Millennial women could care less about).
As a lifelong reader of the NY Times, I am rather surprised that every political article I've read in the past year is constructed from some predictable ideological viewpoint that is entirely outdated. We Gen-X'ers have to get it together. As a Gen-X'er, I completely understand how Millennials are disaffected by the current political discourse in this country. They demand better. They aren't going to see any improvement until the Leftist Baby Boomer Democratic Establishment gets to elect Hillary. (Which ironically, Gen-X and Millennial women could care less about).
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There is no real choice this time around: a vote for anyone but Clinton is a vote tossed in the trash. Grow up and accept it -- or live with the consequences.
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What a sad state of affairs. I'm gay, black and a professor. I have been teaching young people for 3 decades abroad as well as here in the US. The comments here are disconcerting. How greedy, whiny and privileged are ALL Americans. We have SO much. We consume all that we eat, breathe and buy like velociraptors. Then we pout and suck our teeth because we instantaneously want honest politicians and a government system that has transmogrified so many times in the last 50 years that we don't even know what we're whining about and trust me how quickly our youth forget or never find out in the first place how hard fought so much they have was achieved. How recently our military was segregated, how everything was segregated. Think strategically kids... 2018 and 2020. Supreme Court, Congress, Senate and Elizabeth Warren in 2020. The world isn't going to end when we elect Hillary Clinton but it certainly will when we are drowned in all the "greatness" of Trumposity and the degradation of a world system that despises us because we've become bloviating, privileged, uneducated morons who don't believe in anything other than ourselves.
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I am finally done with the democrat party. I am sick of the lies, the rhetoric, the naked cash grabs, the play for pay. I will hold my nose and vote Trump. I got nothing to lose. Hillary can't be trusted. She is a liar, plain and simple. If she weren't rich and white, she would be indicted, tried and convicted for perjury. Comey should be ashamed. We ain't stupid out here.
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Get ready for a shock on election day. Trump is going to get a larger share of the black vote than any Republican since Reagan. The smart ones understand being shackled to the Democrat Party plantation has only benefited the politicians and the race hustlers.
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So, we're going to concern ourselves with a subset of All Young Voters Who Can't Concern Themselves Enough to Vote Anyway? Or is that a subset of that far smaller set of All Young Voters Who Can Be Bothered to Vote? Sorry, I refuse to be frightened about the impact of this on Hillary's chances for being elected.
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Since the earlier generation has made life better for them they may be looking for more and not finding it as international competition is keeping every one on their toes. May be no one can help them realize their dreams as they may be running into world wide competition. Governments can do only so much for anyone.
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I hope the young lady who thinks there is no difference realizes the republicans hope she stays home or will legislate to take her right to vote along with her reproductive rights while fining her for Driving while black to support tax breaks for millionaires
There are huge differences which are all made possible by folks like her that rarely vote. Her indifference is the reason so many state houses and the house belong to republicans that do nothing for their constituencies
There are huge differences which are all made possible by folks like her that rarely vote. Her indifference is the reason so many state houses and the house belong to republicans that do nothing for their constituencies
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It's not just young, black voters who have trouble with "better than the alternative" as the sole rationale for voting for a candidate; many old, white voters do too! Instead of shoring up the progressive part of the Democratic base, Clinton has been courting traditionally Republican voters. You can't have it both ways.
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Just so we know what we’re talking about with these omnipresent “unarmed” killings, the Washington Post totaled 37 unarmed black Americans shot and killed by police in 2015, out of just around 90. That’s 1/10th of the total killed by law enforcement, which is around 500 whites and 250 blacks, roughly 50% to 25% give or take a percentage point. While Washington Post and Guardian data says they’re killed by police at 2.0 times their rate of population (12.5%), black Americans are arrested at 2.25 times higher rate (FBI Uniform Crime Statistics). And not all for “discretionary” crime like marijuana busts, if one looks at just two data points: Violent crime arrests = 39% (3 times higher); weapons arrests = 40% (3.2 times higher).
Oh, and Roland Fryer did his numbers and found no racial bias in police shootings:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-b...
More than 43% of police are killed by black Americans:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black...
I’ve spent dozens of hours trying to grasp the racial bias, or lack thereof. My conclusion: The hyperbole around over-incarceration of African-Americans based on low-level drug convictions (while agreeing the “War on Drugs” needs to end), as well as claims of being disproportionality being shot by police because of racism, has to end.
Oh, and Roland Fryer did his numbers and found no racial bias in police shootings:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-b...
More than 43% of police are killed by black Americans:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black...
I’ve spent dozens of hours trying to grasp the racial bias, or lack thereof. My conclusion: The hyperbole around over-incarceration of African-Americans based on low-level drug convictions (while agreeing the “War on Drugs” needs to end), as well as claims of being disproportionality being shot by police because of racism, has to end.
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How come whenever there is a New York Times article that explicitly mentions the dilemma voters face in not wanting to settle for the least of evils in Trump vs. Clinton, there is ZERO mention of Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, or other third-party candidates?
Is the NYT unaware that anyone but Trump and Clinton are running for President this year?
Is the NYT unaware that anyone but Trump and Clinton are running for President this year?
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“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?” another young black woman from Ohio said.
Anyone who thinks Hillary is "a liar and a criminal" needs to consider that the political machine that has been pushing that story about her for a generation is the same political machine that calls calls African-American youths "thugs" and decries BLM as "racist". Hillary is no saint, but she was a civil rights worker before she was a politician. She may have grown up in an upper-middle class household, but both her mother and her husband grew up in poverty. At the end of the day, she is a liberal who believes in quality for all. Don't let the right-wing propaganda machine convince you otherwise.
Anyone who thinks Hillary is "a liar and a criminal" needs to consider that the political machine that has been pushing that story about her for a generation is the same political machine that calls calls African-American youths "thugs" and decries BLM as "racist". Hillary is no saint, but she was a civil rights worker before she was a politician. She may have grown up in an upper-middle class household, but both her mother and her husband grew up in poverty. At the end of the day, she is a liberal who believes in quality for all. Don't let the right-wing propaganda machine convince you otherwise.
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History reveals that every piece of racist legislation that was ever passed and every racist terrorist attack that was ever inflicted on African Americans, was initiated by the members of the Democratic Party. From the formation of the Democratic Party in 1792 to the Civil Rights movement of 1960's, Congressional records show the Democrat Party passed no specific laws to help Blacks, every law that they introduced into Congress was designed to hurt blacks in 1894 Repeal Act. The chronicles of history shows that during the past 160 years the Democratic Party legislated Jim Crows laws, Black Codes and a multitude of other laws at the state and federal level to deny African Americans their rights as citizens. History reveals that the Republican Party was formed in 1854 to abolish slavery and challenge other racist legislative acts initiated by the Democratic Party. The Democrats gave their lives to expand it, Republican gave their lives to ban it. During the Senate debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, it was revealed that members of the Democratic Party formed many terrorist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African Americans voters. The Ku Klux Klan Act was a bill introduced by a Republican Congress to stop Klan Activities. Senate debates revealed that the Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party. - See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/3554#sthash.8lHgjVT0.dpuf
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The truth is, minorities don't have anyone to vote for. Sure, HC might be slightly less useless for them, but she's still part of the corporate capitalist system that has disenfranchised the entire working class, including African Americans. I'm no Bernie bro, but of all the people who ran this time, Sanders was the only one committed to breaking the current CorpCap system that is designed to make life hell for middle class people. The center-left Democratic party sold out its base years ago, and the GOP basically wants an evangelical police state where science is illegal, white people rule and intellectual curiosity doesn't extend beyond Nascar and scratch tickets. Call me an elitist, I don't care anymore. This country needs a new New Deal before it's too late.
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I'm glad young Blacks are more skeptical of Hillary Clinton, and the NYT should be more skeptical of her too. Our youth are the least compromised among us and are our last line of defense against the corruption, status quoes, and dynasties. The Clintons don't deserve the jobs they had, and should be in the hall of shame, not back in the White House. I couldn't imagine how many single parent homes were created by the Clinton Crime Bill, but it seems it was enough that the Clintons are now starting to reap what they have sown.
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I think Blacks are finally waking up to the fact that the Democrats and Hilliary Clinton have done nothing to help them. The Democrats (creators of the KKK) have kept African Americans on "plantation cities". Look at Hilliary-- first her husband has signed laws putting more African Americans in jail. Hilliary supports the teachers unions who keep pushing failed schools on African American children. Hilliary gets KKK financial support from Grand Dragon William Quigg . She has praised KKK Kleagle Robert Bryd. She also likes Margaret Sanger who supported abortions for African American babies. Hilliary supports unlimited illegal immigration creating less jobs for African American men. So I ask do African Americans like the situation as is??? If they do they will continue to support Hilliary Clinton and other Democrats..
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Obama liberals don't even realize how insulting it is to sit there talking down to us because we aren't playing along with the failed liberal agenda that has wronged the Black Community my entire life.
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I resent the implication that Trump & Hillary are on the same level of awful.
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Young African Americans are correct in their indictment of Clinton, Obama and the Democratic party. For too long their votes and interests were taken for granted by those in the hierarchy of the party. Too often their votes were accepted with little to show for their effort.
Ironically, George Bush Jr did much more for AA, and Africans, than Obama has. There are no programs anywhere that Obama made a priority in advancing a core constituency. He belatedly, in 2013, proposed the Power Africa venture that all but collapsed.
But yet still he could enthusiastically give an additional $1 billion to Israel, in addition to $3.5 billion we give annually. The only gift to Africa was bombing Libya and a enduring war on Somalia. Not what would benefit the people of Africa.
If the Democratic party wants the AA votes, then they need to earn it.
Ironically, George Bush Jr did much more for AA, and Africans, than Obama has. There are no programs anywhere that Obama made a priority in advancing a core constituency. He belatedly, in 2013, proposed the Power Africa venture that all but collapsed.
But yet still he could enthusiastically give an additional $1 billion to Israel, in addition to $3.5 billion we give annually. The only gift to Africa was bombing Libya and a enduring war on Somalia. Not what would benefit the people of Africa.
If the Democratic party wants the AA votes, then they need to earn it.
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The saddest part of all this is that as the Republican candidates get worse and worse, the Democratic party will feel even more empowered to pull any old candidate, like Hillary, out of the garbage pail knowing that we'll have no choice but to vote for them. America is finished if we don't get a viable third party.
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How stupid do Obama and the White liberal establishment think we are? The Black community is in ruins, the Obama presidency is a sick joke around the world and we are just supposed to pick up the plow and stay on the plantation.
No thanks.
No thanks.
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Vote for the least worst candidate. If you vote for no one, you are actually choosing someone whether you like it or not.
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Dear African Americans: try voting in the midterm elections, and you'll be happier with how a democratic president governs. You're not voting for monarch, you're voting for president; and unless you also vote for congressional (and state) elections you'll constantly be disappointed.
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As a second generation Manhattanite, I am embarrassed reading these ridiculous, infantile comments.
Go vote for the carpetbagging HACK, who knows nothing but raising taxes and giving handouts.
How is THAT going to help blacks, or anyone else? How is THAT going to get us over 1.1% growth? How is THAT going to help the 94 MILLION Americans not working? Does she even KNOW how to create a job? Do YOU?
Obviously not.
Go vote for the carpetbagging HACK, who knows nothing but raising taxes and giving handouts.
How is THAT going to help blacks, or anyone else? How is THAT going to get us over 1.1% growth? How is THAT going to help the 94 MILLION Americans not working? Does she even KNOW how to create a job? Do YOU?
Obviously not.
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Right. Vote for the guy who will likely start WWIII, with his bluster and utter lack of diplomacy. That's a far better option, you're right.
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It is disingenuous for the Times to keep printing articles that claim various groups either support or do not support either Mr. Trump or Ms. Clinton. Quite a few folks don't feel good about voting for either one. In my 40+ years of voting, this is the first time that neither candidate appeals in any way, shape, or form-----not only my opinion, but the opinion of quite a few friends and family members. Perhaps the Times could print a story describing how two completely untrustworthy, inauthentic, and self-aggrandizing people could possible be considered the very best and brightest leaders out of a pool of more than 320 million American citizens.
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so simple minded, your words, please detail how and why she is un trustworthy inauthentic and self-aggrandizing Ms. Clinton is probably the most capable candidate we have had in generations.
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“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?”
If you can't answer that question, you are willfully ignorant. Do your homework and DO NOT vote for Trump.
If you can't answer that question, you are willfully ignorant. Do your homework and DO NOT vote for Trump.
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You're the one who needs to do some "homework", and who is willfully ignorant.
Look what Trump has done in NY- Wollman Rink, which 30 years later still looks great; revitalizing Columbus Circle, building the beautiful Grand Hyatt, and many other iconic landmarks.
Now name ONE THING the carpetbagger did for NY. ANYTHING.
I heard a woman call into Mark Simone's show. Her cousin works for Trump. His daughter was sick, and Donald told him to 1) Take as much time as he needed, WITH PAY, and 2) His private plane was at their disposal. He flew his daughter to California twice for treatment. Now, THAT is a good person.
Look what Trump has done in NY- Wollman Rink, which 30 years later still looks great; revitalizing Columbus Circle, building the beautiful Grand Hyatt, and many other iconic landmarks.
Now name ONE THING the carpetbagger did for NY. ANYTHING.
I heard a woman call into Mark Simone's show. Her cousin works for Trump. His daughter was sick, and Donald told him to 1) Take as much time as he needed, WITH PAY, and 2) His private plane was at their disposal. He flew his daughter to California twice for treatment. Now, THAT is a good person.
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Yeah, I think all black people should boycott the November election. That'll show her! Make America Great Again!
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Not gonna happen. Blacks, educated Whites, Hispanics, Mexicans, Muslims LBGT, Sikhs, Jewish, ect, will all be voting simply to see who Trump blames in his concession speech. Maybe he will blame heel spurs, emails, and Federal Judge Gonzalo Curiel.
Anything except viewing the tapes. He's finished. Enjoy.
He's finished.
Anything except viewing the tapes. He's finished. Enjoy.
He's finished.
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I agree with Mr. Martin that there is a lack of enthusiasm on the Clinton side about African Americans opportunities. I agree with much said on this article, but Mr. Blow disagrees when he said African Americans should stay under the umbrella of the Dems as servants and quiet and content. This kind mentality tactics were used by some slave owners that life here is better you got food and bed why worry? Continues they would say “don’t even think about leaving the farm,” don’t even think about opportunities out there,” “you are a servant do not think to deviates from the other servants at the farm.”
Trump is opening a new door and a window of opportunities for them saying “you can do it,” ‘the sky is the limit,” “think for yourself,” “its up to you to dare to try, good lucks.
Trump is opening a new door and a window of opportunities for them saying “you can do it,” ‘the sky is the limit,” “think for yourself,” “its up to you to dare to try, good lucks.
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Well, if Trump gets elected they're the ones that will end up with the most problems. The choice is theirs, and the consequences.
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Vote Democratic and you will stay on welfare forever.
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and the racists come out from all corners to defend their man...this is a new york paper Sir...we know who Drmpf REALLY is
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As a conservative, I am one of the last people that should defend the Clinton's, but crime in the early 90s was bad. The 1994 crime bill made sense at the time. The responsibility for the second and third order effects reside with subsequent administrations and Congresses that should have assessed the bill's impact on the black community. When President Clinton signed the bill these effects were considered, but deemed acceptable given crime at the time. I do not think black millennials should dismiss HRC because of something that made sense it 1994.
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Part of the problem is the mainstream press. On Meet the Press today, Republican hack, Alex Castellanos, claimed that the Clinton Foundation does no good works, is a "huge slush fund for the Clintons, and only spends 10% of the money it raises on charitable works." NBC host, Chuck Todd, didn't challenge him, and neither did anyone else on the program. This is the "main stream media" which is supposed to be in the bag for Clinton. According to the highly regarded Charity Navigator, an independent charity watchdog organization that evaluates charitable organizations in the United States, 86.9% of the foundation's total expenses are spent on the programs
and services it delivers. Charity Navigator also gives the Foundation its highest rating, four stars. The Foundation pays nothing to Bill, Hillary or Chelsea Clinton. In fact, they donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Foundation and spend many hours raising funds for it. This is reflected in the fundraising costs of 4.2%, which is very low. According to Charity Watch, another highly regarded watchdog, 88% of the Clinton Foundation's funds go to its charitable works and only 2% is spent on fundraising.
Either Mr. Castellanos lied about the Foundation or he doesn't know what he is talking about. It is incumbent on NBC to correct the record. It's no wonder millennials of all races think the Clinton's are untrustworthy. They have been subjected to false charges since the 80's. We need a better news media.
and services it delivers. Charity Navigator also gives the Foundation its highest rating, four stars. The Foundation pays nothing to Bill, Hillary or Chelsea Clinton. In fact, they donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Foundation and spend many hours raising funds for it. This is reflected in the fundraising costs of 4.2%, which is very low. According to Charity Watch, another highly regarded watchdog, 88% of the Clinton Foundation's funds go to its charitable works and only 2% is spent on fundraising.
Either Mr. Castellanos lied about the Foundation or he doesn't know what he is talking about. It is incumbent on NBC to correct the record. It's no wonder millennials of all races think the Clinton's are untrustworthy. They have been subjected to false charges since the 80's. We need a better news media.
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Chuck Todd is a thrid rate republican hack and like his new wave colleagues NEVER calls out any lies. Journalism is dead.
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The foundation structure is eccentric. So x% goes to sub-foundations, whatever, which are under the general umbrella and what % of THAT ends up in actual aid? think a few minutes before answering.
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The problem is that we seek solutions from politicians who goal it is to stay in power and take in all the glories of that power.
The real solutions will come from within ourselves and our communities. We look to the big federal boot to solve our problems. It's not coming form there. When you get down to brass tacks, the federal government has a vested interest in creating problems that only they can "solve". How else can you explain trillions of dollars spent starting with the Great Society in the 1960s with no difference in poverty? We flush money down the drain expecting something big from big government.
Until our attitudes about what federal government can do for us change, there will be no change.
The real solutions will come from within ourselves and our communities. We look to the big federal boot to solve our problems. It's not coming form there. When you get down to brass tacks, the federal government has a vested interest in creating problems that only they can "solve". How else can you explain trillions of dollars spent starting with the Great Society in the 1960s with no difference in poverty? We flush money down the drain expecting something big from big government.
Until our attitudes about what federal government can do for us change, there will be no change.
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I'm old and white and skeptical of Ms Clinton, but i have no doubt about Mr Trump.
Being white or at least accepted as such in the white community has real advantages when it comes to understanding just what white people think, including myself.
For the most part I find my fellow caucasians to be OK, not exceptional, but not harmful racists either. The same with minor variation goes for me.
I was raised in Baltimore by intelligent parents who still sent me and my sis to a Catholic school where English was in fact a second language and where we were exposed to only four nuns in eight years of education sharing two grades to a room. Limiting, but in retrospect not quite as harmful as the indoctrination which took place on the street.
Although I moved away when I joined the Air Force and never fully returned the effect of the city's mixed demographic, though thankfully never influencing my accent, never left my psyche.
Baltimore, like most major cities East of the Mississippi, was then perhaps much more overtly racist than now. Both segregation and denigration were openly practiced by overtly racist populations. Times have changed and although unforgivable crimes are still committed against black and brown citizens they are not without recourse now as they were then.
If any in the black community decide to "sit this one out" the advancements made in the last sixty years in all our encounters with racism, both positive and negative, will be for naught
We must vote.
Being white or at least accepted as such in the white community has real advantages when it comes to understanding just what white people think, including myself.
For the most part I find my fellow caucasians to be OK, not exceptional, but not harmful racists either. The same with minor variation goes for me.
I was raised in Baltimore by intelligent parents who still sent me and my sis to a Catholic school where English was in fact a second language and where we were exposed to only four nuns in eight years of education sharing two grades to a room. Limiting, but in retrospect not quite as harmful as the indoctrination which took place on the street.
Although I moved away when I joined the Air Force and never fully returned the effect of the city's mixed demographic, though thankfully never influencing my accent, never left my psyche.
Baltimore, like most major cities East of the Mississippi, was then perhaps much more overtly racist than now. Both segregation and denigration were openly practiced by overtly racist populations. Times have changed and although unforgivable crimes are still committed against black and brown citizens they are not without recourse now as they were then.
If any in the black community decide to "sit this one out" the advancements made in the last sixty years in all our encounters with racism, both positive and negative, will be for naught
We must vote.
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If you did not live through the nineties while Clinton was president, then you have no idea how tough, intelligent and savvy Hillary is. They threw everything at her and the facts don't lie.
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But SHE does.
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"the facts don't lie"
She lies about the facts.
She lies about the facts.
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I lived through the nineties and I have a very good idea just how thoroughly dishonest, corrupt and just plain greedy she is, as is her disgusting spouse.
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How many African Americans have served long prison sentences for minor drug offenses, as a result of Trump policies? Zero. How many as a result of Clintonian policies? An uncountable, unspeakable number.
How many African Americans have suffered economically because of income inequality, as a result of Trump policies? Zero. How many as a result of Clintonian policies? Most of them.
How many African Americans have suffered economically because of income inequality, as a result of Trump policies? Zero. How many as a result of Clintonian policies? Most of them.
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@chasm
Hardly a viable argument.
Trump has only been in the position to make policy regarding his housing (No Blacks!), and his business ("I don't want Blacks touching my money").
Hardly government level -- but a fair indication of where he's at.
Hardly a viable argument.
Trump has only been in the position to make policy regarding his housing (No Blacks!), and his business ("I don't want Blacks touching my money").
Hardly government level -- but a fair indication of where he's at.
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Thanks NYT. So glad you dismissed the Sanders campaign so early on. What you assumed was inevitable (Clinton) and what you derided as impossible (Trump), has really opened up the conversation, elevated it, allowed us to really make our opinions known! Does it seem strange to you at all that 99% of us know we're better than what we've been left with - than speakers that speak for none of us, and for the questions you propose that in fact we've found different ways of approaching in our personal lives and the lives of our communities?
I love all us who post here. I'm so sorry that we have been consigned to merely posting here.
I love all us who post here. I'm so sorry that we have been consigned to merely posting here.
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Hmm. Apparently there are no blacks who support Trump. There are only those who are Clinton supporters now and those who need persuasion before they become Clinton supporters.
Dream on NYT
Dream on NYT
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@enough
You miss the point. It's not that Trump has no Black supporters -- there probably are a few out there. But he certainly won't have thier majority vote, and if you listened to him, you'd know why.
That has nothing to do with the NYT.
You miss the point. It's not that Trump has no Black supporters -- there probably are a few out there. But he certainly won't have thier majority vote, and if you listened to him, you'd know why.
That has nothing to do with the NYT.
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The ONLY reason why I will vote this November (JillStein) is because I faithfully work as an election official to assist with the process.
This is the first time in my 70 years of age that I have not faithfully voted Democratic.
Enough with the Clintons, already.
Let the cards fall where they may this election.
What would Malcolm do?
This is the first time in my 70 years of age that I have not faithfully voted Democratic.
Enough with the Clintons, already.
Let the cards fall where they may this election.
What would Malcolm do?
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To the young woman who stated, she's a liar and he's a racist: Trump is a liar and racist.
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Blacks need to wake up to the reality of how much the democrats have exploited them while destroying their lives.
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@frk
But first, Black people "need to wake up to the reality" that they have EVERYTHING to lose with Donald Trump -- and probably all of them have already
Just for the record.
Guess who passed the Civil Right Act in 1964???...it wasn't Republicans.
But first, Black people "need to wake up to the reality" that they have EVERYTHING to lose with Donald Trump -- and probably all of them have already
Just for the record.
Guess who passed the Civil Right Act in 1964???...it wasn't Republicans.
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To even think the Democratic party does not care about Blacks and Latinos is playing into the Republicans hands, now lets get a couple of facts out, what specifically has the GOP done for the common man, not just blacks, can someone point to a bill pass or introduce, also you'll say 50 years of voting for Dems and what do you have, Civil rights for one, what little voting rights you have thank the Dems, without Dems, say goodbye to Welfare, Roe v Wade, Pell grants and many other programs design to help minorities, without Dems, it would be like living in 1950, by the way look at the make up of the Dem party, then look at the GOP, where are you represented. Dont fall for republican tricks and lies, they only slighty care about you every 4 years.
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You need a course in American History and law. The Democratic Party is actually the party of Jim Crow, the KKK, poll taxes, .....and the list goes on. You have bought into what the DEMS have told you. Pick up a book or go google the history of the democratic party.
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Who in their right mind would vote for either the Iron Woman or Trumpenstein?
Of course, young blacks don't want her.
The alternative is Gov. Gary Johnson. Currently polling 12% in IBD poll, taking 33% of the millennial vote in recent poll, he is red hot.
Whether he is in the first debate or not he is unstoppable.
There are two other debates, btw.
Today Trump demanded he be in the debate. This is Hillary's greatest fear.
To be on the same stage with Gary will expose her for the faker she is.
johnsonweld.com
Of course, young blacks don't want her.
The alternative is Gov. Gary Johnson. Currently polling 12% in IBD poll, taking 33% of the millennial vote in recent poll, he is red hot.
Whether he is in the first debate or not he is unstoppable.
There are two other debates, btw.
Today Trump demanded he be in the debate. This is Hillary's greatest fear.
To be on the same stage with Gary will expose her for the faker she is.
johnsonweld.com
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@sez
If you aren't Black -- you're hardly in the position to talk about what young Black people want.
And if you are Black, you should know better than try to.
Another thing.
If anyone should fear the debate, it's not Clinton..she's the one with tough skin.
If you aren't Black -- you're hardly in the position to talk about what young Black people want.
And if you are Black, you should know better than try to.
Another thing.
If anyone should fear the debate, it's not Clinton..she's the one with tough skin.
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Don't get your hopes up. Knowing little about him, I listened to an interview with Johnson on NPR with great interest. The more he talked, the dumber he sounded. One wonders if he was this stupid when he was New Mexico's governor or if all that pot has fried his brain.
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And they should voice skepticism. Blindly trusting politicians is a bad route to follow, that is true for any group of people in favor of any politician. Now 20 years ago, in 1996, Hillary Clinton spoke about the growing group of young criminals as super-predators, a term coined in 1995 by Princeton Professor John Dilulio, describing a self-regarding youth with little empathy.
Whether she intended to connect this term with a specific race is unclear, but what is more important is what she said right afterwards, "We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have got to bring them to heel."
And while it is amicable to recognize that the youth wasn't always like that and was made that way, there is not nearly enough talk about the true reasons it ended up that way, and even less action taken to prevent it. Socioeconomic disparities and ongoing disadvantages for many non-white Americans are a constant opponent of true equality and oftentimes this inequality goes along with poverty which is leading to a youth committing crimes. Not because they are prone to do so, but because their lack of opportunities.
As a result it is perfectly understandable that young black people voice skepticism. Will Hillary be the right person to tackle socioeconomic disparities? Will she be the right one to level the field of education, so that children from low-income families have the same opportunities? Maybe, and it is surely not wrong to remind her of the problems again and again.
Whether she intended to connect this term with a specific race is unclear, but what is more important is what she said right afterwards, "We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have got to bring them to heel."
And while it is amicable to recognize that the youth wasn't always like that and was made that way, there is not nearly enough talk about the true reasons it ended up that way, and even less action taken to prevent it. Socioeconomic disparities and ongoing disadvantages for many non-white Americans are a constant opponent of true equality and oftentimes this inequality goes along with poverty which is leading to a youth committing crimes. Not because they are prone to do so, but because their lack of opportunities.
As a result it is perfectly understandable that young black people voice skepticism. Will Hillary be the right person to tackle socioeconomic disparities? Will she be the right one to level the field of education, so that children from low-income families have the same opportunities? Maybe, and it is surely not wrong to remind her of the problems again and again.
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As a progressive Democrat who has voted for Democrats in every top-ticket and down-ticket election, every year since 1972, I recall that I have had various degrees of enthusiasm over the years. I have occasionally voted enthusiastically FOR some local Democratic representatives, but on a national level, I have almost always voted AGAINST the Republican candidate. I was even cynical - or let's say realistic - about how much Obama could accomplish. (I was pleasantly surprised in many respects, disappointed in others, but aware that there is only so much one person can do ) Despite my cynicism, I contribute every election cycle and volunteer my time to help the Democrats win regardless of the charisma gap (remember Kerry?) . When I and my fellow Democrats fail to do that, we wind up with Reagan and Bushes. Trump will be even worse. Perhaps these young people are simply too young to remember how regressive and damaging those periods were. If they think I should expect more from my government, I have a suggestion: Work as hard as you can to elect two Democratic Houses of Congress. Then we'll talk about what to do.
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One of the commenters wrote: "Those who will use Mr. Trump to maintain the status quo - especially in terms of race - have already won, in a sense; they've stirred up hatred towards non-whites to pre-1960 levels.
Do you really want a second civil war?...do you really want to find your cousin, or your sister, or yourself, hanging from a tree?"
The implication being that a vote for Trump is a vote for lynching... Trump has said nothing, I repeat, nothing, that could lead one to this conclusion. Yet the comment, which is inflammatory and untrue, was flagged as an Editors Pick by The NYTimes. The vituperative hatred shown by The NYTimes for truth in this election is obvious beyond belief.
The Clinton's have done more to hurt Black America, Hispanic America, Working Class America, than any other team in American history. To vote them in again would result in a worsening of the situation for these groups.
Do you really want a second civil war?...do you really want to find your cousin, or your sister, or yourself, hanging from a tree?"
The implication being that a vote for Trump is a vote for lynching... Trump has said nothing, I repeat, nothing, that could lead one to this conclusion. Yet the comment, which is inflammatory and untrue, was flagged as an Editors Pick by The NYTimes. The vituperative hatred shown by The NYTimes for truth in this election is obvious beyond belief.
The Clinton's have done more to hurt Black America, Hispanic America, Working Class America, than any other team in American history. To vote them in again would result in a worsening of the situation for these groups.
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This newspaper is really doing it--laying the framework to blame my race and my generation for the Obama presidency and Hillary losing in November.
Think about it...the liberal elite exploited the Black community to put a biracial con artist in the WH who is getting mocked, ridiculed and disrespected around the world in his final 100 days--and the same liberals are sharpening the political dagger to bury in our backs on November 9th as Trump becomes President Elect.
Absolutely sickening.
Think about it...the liberal elite exploited the Black community to put a biracial con artist in the WH who is getting mocked, ridiculed and disrespected around the world in his final 100 days--and the same liberals are sharpening the political dagger to bury in our backs on November 9th as Trump becomes President Elect.
Absolutely sickening.
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It is not only Blacks.
My telltale name lets me out. Yes, Hillary's right hand is a Muslim, a woman at that. She does not threaten me. And I did volunteer in 1972 McGovern and 2008 Obama Campaigns.
But just as i did Sanders, I trust Trump more. He may be loudmouth, but is genuine. His wife is an immigrant, his son in law Jewish. He is not against all Mexicans, only illegal ones. He is not against all Muslims, only terrorist ones. I can live with that. He will not tolerate Daesh, Hillary will. I accept Trump claim that her polices gave rise to Jihadism.
A bigot, racist, can reform. A liar never. One day I can win Trump over, Hillary never.
My telltale name lets me out. Yes, Hillary's right hand is a Muslim, a woman at that. She does not threaten me. And I did volunteer in 1972 McGovern and 2008 Obama Campaigns.
But just as i did Sanders, I trust Trump more. He may be loudmouth, but is genuine. His wife is an immigrant, his son in law Jewish. He is not against all Mexicans, only illegal ones. He is not against all Muslims, only terrorist ones. I can live with that. He will not tolerate Daesh, Hillary will. I accept Trump claim that her polices gave rise to Jihadism.
A bigot, racist, can reform. A liar never. One day I can win Trump over, Hillary never.
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so republican totally close the door on black voters, so republicans vote against any social programs that might help black citizens, hillary has fought for the poor and disenfranchised all her life- her foundation supports these causes- yes it does- look it up. so you would then vote for a man who represents everything that is counter to your interests, and has no interest- never has- in young blacks unless they are pretty and on the miss america contest- really? i am without words for the stupidity.
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This is outrageous. Donald Trump spent Friday and Saturday on his fake outreach to the Blacks and BOMBED. That's the weekends story but instead I woke up this morning to find on the online edition a centerfold picture of a young black woman in colorful beads and a blank stare and the headline "Young Black Voice Skepticism on Hillary ..." I don't know who is the problem here - the online editor or the Times political editor but something is wrong. You don't seem to know what the story is or care.
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He got standing ovations. Only you didn't see that because your liberal press cut the feed, and censored it.
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All Americans should be skeptical as the election system is a fake. Hillary is actively and successfully courting Republicans because DINO-RINO is a single party.
Why aren't journalists more skeptical? Money? Access? Fear?
I have always voted Democratic straight ticket but never will again. I still think Bernie will forever regret giving into the DINOs instead of going for a third party run.
As to the Hillaryites, I am really tired of your threat-threat-threat version of campaigning for her. You just irritate, you never convince. Hillary is a Neocon Warmonger who is careless and incompetent. She is just as much of a threat as Donald just in a different way.
Why aren't journalists more skeptical? Money? Access? Fear?
I have always voted Democratic straight ticket but never will again. I still think Bernie will forever regret giving into the DINOs instead of going for a third party run.
As to the Hillaryites, I am really tired of your threat-threat-threat version of campaigning for her. You just irritate, you never convince. Hillary is a Neocon Warmonger who is careless and incompetent. She is just as much of a threat as Donald just in a different way.
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I think President Obama summed it up best.
"Don't Boo, Vote"!
"Don't Boo, Vote"!
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You have Barack to thank for giving us no option but Hillary. After winning the Presidency, when he had the opportunity to remove the Clintons from the equation, he didnt. Rather, he chose to make Hillary Clinton his Secretary of State, thus leaving the door open for more of Madam Mealy Mouth's lies and deception and a second opportunity to run for the Presidency.
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Spot on. Obama would have done the country a favor by putting a fork in these two charlatans back in 2008.
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HRC does not owe black people an explanation why she backed a change changes in the criminal justice system when her husband was President.
Many people supported that change.
Many of them are black
She also should not take a position anti cops or pro black when a black person has died as a result altercation a with a cop
We have a justice Department that investigates these things.
The present Justice department which we should agree is not racist has not determined the police did anything wrong in a majority of the cases where many black people believe the cop should be arrested.
These two issues should not be the reason not to vote for her.
Back people who do are making a mistake.
There are real issues that should make them vote for HRC.
I think most of us know this.
There are also reason Trump has to lose.
I think most of know this as well.
If black people stay away or vote for Trump Hillary might lose and many of these black people will suffer and they will have no one to blame besides themselves.
Many people supported that change.
Many of them are black
She also should not take a position anti cops or pro black when a black person has died as a result altercation a with a cop
We have a justice Department that investigates these things.
The present Justice department which we should agree is not racist has not determined the police did anything wrong in a majority of the cases where many black people believe the cop should be arrested.
These two issues should not be the reason not to vote for her.
Back people who do are making a mistake.
There are real issues that should make them vote for HRC.
I think most of us know this.
There are also reason Trump has to lose.
I think most of know this as well.
If black people stay away or vote for Trump Hillary might lose and many of these black people will suffer and they will have no one to blame besides themselves.
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This weekend, Trump won a mock election in Woodbridge, VA, garnerning 43% of the vote while Hillary took 39%. One thousand people voted. Woodbridge is in Prince William County and Obama won that county twice. All that I take away from this is that Hillary's lead over Trump has narrowed significantly and that whomever wins will not have over 50% of the popular vote.
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So you are using a southern state's weekend "mock election" results to draw conclusion about national weekday voting? Hmmmm!
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I did not say the results meant Trump would become President. However, it is a fact that Hillary's lead over Trump has narrowed, even the pro-Hillary NYT has reported it. Plus given the significant unpopularity of both Hillary and Trump, one needn't be a political expert to conclude that whomever wins will do so with less than 51% of the popular vote. This is the political situation we are in now, sorry if it offends you.
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Hillary Clinton's record: if it's not her idea, it's not a good idea. But what are her ideas? She is the candidate who ran against our first black President in a Democratic Presidential primary. And she is the Democratic candidate who opposed Bernie Sanders's proposal for free public higher education. Not only does she lack ability to serve class interests beneath her income level ---- note, her Clinton foundation's charter's only for aid overseas ---- but she has had no interest in doing so for her entire career.
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Trump just went to a black church, got a standing ovation. So good a reception in fact, that CNN made the cameraman cut his footage off.
You can vote for a continuation of the worst recovery since WWII, higher taxes on job creators, more crony capitalism and favors for political donors, or you can vote for a better economy, law and order, more manufacturing and jobs.
Trump famously took a failed city government boondoggle, millions of dollars over budget, and four years late, and got it DONE in 3 months. That was Wollman Rink. HILLARY carpetbagged my state, and I cannot think of ONE accomplishment in her time as Senator.
And you notice I didn't even mention RACE? Because decent people all want good results.
You can vote for a continuation of the worst recovery since WWII, higher taxes on job creators, more crony capitalism and favors for political donors, or you can vote for a better economy, law and order, more manufacturing and jobs.
Trump famously took a failed city government boondoggle, millions of dollars over budget, and four years late, and got it DONE in 3 months. That was Wollman Rink. HILLARY carpetbagged my state, and I cannot think of ONE accomplishment in her time as Senator.
And you notice I didn't even mention RACE? Because decent people all want good results.
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Ah yes, Wollman rink. Do tell, has the billionaire Trump done anything for the people of his home city since 1986?
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Clinton and the democrats are fighting relentlessly to give away low wage jobs and those that at one time were decent paying jobs, (formerly held by blacks) to the lowest bidder.
You cannot be a member of society without a job, without an income. There's nothing she can say
that will make me vote myself into destitute.
You cannot be a member of society without a job, without an income. There's nothing she can say
that will make me vote myself into destitute.
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hillary will do nothing for Blacks - she never has. All she wants is their vote and she will indeed, abandon them after she is elected. She strongly spoke out in favor of incarcerating Backs and stated they needed to be brought to heel. She's already giving away their jobs to illegal immigrants and syrians. Her husband stated that we needed the syrians to build up Detroit. She has proved herself to be nothing more than a corrupt, serial liar and if Blacks vote her in office, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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She never said that about black people. She was talking about criminals, regardless of color. Don't believe me? Her speech is online.
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You're right. she is doing and saying so much to get people's votes. Just saying all kinds of things to get the vote. Area 51 records. Legalize pot. Free tuition. Bill in charge of the Economy. No TPP. Restrain Wall St. Rainbows, unicorns and ponies...
So many many things you know (a) she could not deliver, (b) a president has only so much power and these aren't all hers to perform, (c) even the NYT thinks she'll flip back on TPP.
Why?
Why should anyone believe her unenforceable campaign promises?
So many many things you know (a) she could not deliver, (b) a president has only so much power and these aren't all hers to perform, (c) even the NYT thinks she'll flip back on TPP.
Why?
Why should anyone believe her unenforceable campaign promises?
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How maddening to read the statements at the top of the article from those three young people.
I start to feel sorry for politicians when I see the thick fog of ignorance they have to try to penetrate.
How long would it take those young people to get a clearer grasp of the people and their proposals if they were interested in knowing? Instead, they are happy to wallow in self-righteous indignation about their lack of a perfect choice when the truth is that they know very little about either candidate.
I start to feel sorry for politicians when I see the thick fog of ignorance they have to try to penetrate.
How long would it take those young people to get a clearer grasp of the people and their proposals if they were interested in knowing? Instead, they are happy to wallow in self-righteous indignation about their lack of a perfect choice when the truth is that they know very little about either candidate.
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Black millennials should not need any proof that Republicans do not have their interest at heart. When did a Republican
President or members of congress from the GOP supported an increase in the minimum wage or affordable college tuition? The lists are even more extensive.
The Republican Party is well documented for promoting division along racial lines.
The Clinton's may not have acted in the best interests of blacks at all times but there are too much at stake to not vote, support Trump or a Republican Congress.
President or members of congress from the GOP supported an increase in the minimum wage or affordable college tuition? The lists are even more extensive.
The Republican Party is well documented for promoting division along racial lines.
The Clinton's may not have acted in the best interests of blacks at all times but there are too much at stake to not vote, support Trump or a Republican Congress.
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They should have NO doubts. Hillary and the Democrats have already irrefutably proven that their approach is a dismal, deteriorating failure. They should have serious doubts about Donald Trump who has brought attention, focus and controversy to the problem but really has no clue how to solve it. They should also scrupulously doubt the over the hill "usual suspects" and obsolescent, ineffective national associations who have also let the youth down and will continue to do so unless they change their paradigm. They should have no doubt that their salvation lies in the restoration of family values and the economic, educational and social resurrection of caring, functional communities. They should also doubt the media on both sides who prete4nd to be objective journalists but are acting as biased advocates who seem more concerned with humiliating their opponent than reporting the facts. They should allay and eliminate doubt by considering the thoughts and advice of people like Dr.Ben Carson, Patrice Lee Onwuka, Kevin Jackson, Charles Barkley, Sheriff David Clarke and many other responsible people who happen to be Black but also happen to be absolutely right!
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This is just another article to try and get people to think there is a close race here. Hillary Clinton is the next President, it's just matter of how big a landslide it will be.
Orange, NJ
Orange, NJ
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If people do not want to vote for either candidate then concentrate on, and be heavily involved in, local Government: Mayors, Senate, Congress that's where real change is possible. Presidents can do little if they have no leverage in any of these areas. Any call for change can be gridlocked and Government shut down it has happened before and will happen again.
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Don't forget the Supreme Court when considering whom to vote/not vote for.
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All of the NYT Picks, 30 so far, support Clinton rather than any of those in the article questioning why they should vote for Clinton.
That's not true for most of the posts or the readers picks.
That's not true for most of the posts or the readers picks.
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@kinsella
Most of the NYT Picks, and the Black people voting for Clinton recognize that it is a much better alternative to having a candidate who is endorsed by the KKK in the White House.
And the reason why should be abundantly clear.
Most of the NYT Picks, and the Black people voting for Clinton recognize that it is a much better alternative to having a candidate who is endorsed by the KKK in the White House.
And the reason why should be abundantly clear.
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Sometimes I'm surprised with myself for continuing to subscribe to a news service that seems determined to invent news where there is none and to follow that by ignoring important news. This story is a perfect example of the false equivalencies that permeate the Times narrative drive. Can we expect a front page, in depth portrait of Muslims For Trump?
How about accepting that Trump is fully incapable of the task before him and print some of the multitude of stories, including donating to the Florida AG only to have a lawsuit dismissed? Boring? Same in Texas yet we'll hear more muckraking about irrelevant emails and charitable foundations that help the sick and poor.
The real story is the media eschewing journalism, ignoring the glaring reality of this election while trying to get eye balls on the page. It's embarrassing.
How about accepting that Trump is fully incapable of the task before him and print some of the multitude of stories, including donating to the Florida AG only to have a lawsuit dismissed? Boring? Same in Texas yet we'll hear more muckraking about irrelevant emails and charitable foundations that help the sick and poor.
The real story is the media eschewing journalism, ignoring the glaring reality of this election while trying to get eye balls on the page. It's embarrassing.
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Muslims for Trump?
There is nothing in the article that says that millennial Black's will be supporting Trump. It says that Clinton hasn't shown them any reason to support her.
There is a difference.
There is nothing in the article that says that millennial Black's will be supporting Trump. It says that Clinton hasn't shown them any reason to support her.
There is a difference.
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BRITTANY PACKNETT, san activist, needs to do some in depth research into what party has tried to improve lives for the black community. She and others need to check out the Civil rights bill that many of us supported just for starters.
The NYT needs to start focusing on those black millennials that have some sense of history. No, neither the parties nor states, nor local communities have done justice and fairness to the blacks, but we move forward making positive changes.
To call Hillary a liar and untrustworthy shows that these young people have bought the GOP kool-aid that the media continues to spread without proof or justification.
The NYT needs to start focusing on those black millennials that have some sense of history. No, neither the parties nor states, nor local communities have done justice and fairness to the blacks, but we move forward making positive changes.
To call Hillary a liar and untrustworthy shows that these young people have bought the GOP kool-aid that the media continues to spread without proof or justification.
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Seriously? If you can read, it is evident Hillary is a liar who will say anything to get what it is she wants. You can birth their babies and wear their hand me downs if you choose. I will take the whip. It's more dignified.
While the Clinton's smiled in our faces, they were decimating our families with sentences 100 times longer for non violent offenses, in what the 6th Circuit Court called intentional discrimination. Bill finished a round of golf at an all White Country Club, drove to a PUSH convention so that he could call Sister Soulja a racist.
I'll take Trump. He can change. The Clintonsl have perfected the game at our expense.
While the Clinton's smiled in our faces, they were decimating our families with sentences 100 times longer for non violent offenses, in what the 6th Circuit Court called intentional discrimination. Bill finished a round of golf at an all White Country Club, drove to a PUSH convention so that he could call Sister Soulja a racist.
I'll take Trump. He can change. The Clintonsl have perfected the game at our expense.
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The difficulty of the Clinton campaign in attracting Black votes may have more to do with something within the Democratic Party establishment, and its calculations, than it has to do with Hillary Clinton, herself. Representative Conyers, who is certainly member of that establishment, pleaded over many years with a Democratic Party controlled legislative and executive branch for a careful consideration of the persistence of racism as a social institution of life in the U. S., submitting H. R. 40 to the House repeatedly and as repeatedly rebuffed. He ceased resubmitting it when Obama was elected president. Why? It may not be possible to get the full picture of what is happening to the young Black vote without studying the events leading into to the primary. Despite the attractions of Sanders, and the deeply anti-racist Green Party, young blacks began to turn to Jill Stein, the candidate who did go into the streets where "Black Lives Matter" and younger Blacks can move into positions of leadership rapidly. The Green Party is the only major party in the U. S. that is unconcerned about the possibility of being led by non-whites.
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The majority of Black people will not benefit from a Republican President. Zero chance. Vote for whoever you want but know that Trump will not be good to Blacks or any minority.
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You offer no examples of how Trump will improve the economy.
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Yeah, what inner city black parents would be interested in school choice from a party that cares more about education than the party who cares more about the contributions and votes from teachers' unions?
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Because there are none unless you are part of the 1%.
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I'm a 30yo African-American, and you couldn't pay me to vote for Hillary Clinton. I'm voting independent all the way. I think Mrs. Clinton is incredibly dishonest, and her brand of establishment politics is unsavory. I've been democrat all my life, but after her e-mail scandal and the nonsense "convenience" justification, I've had a complete change of heart. It's a pity because I'm quite liberal and would love to support our first female president, but all candidates must be held accountable irrespective of their gender. To accept otherwise, is to accept the opposite of gender equality.
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Same here.
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Right. Another "liberal" who wants a MAN to be president, even a racist, sexist, ignoramus like Donald.
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I can not comprehend how it is you could think Trump is anything other than a liar, opportunist and individual who could care less about anyone that would not somehow benefit himself. Think very hard on Hillary's history of service compared with Trump's before you vote this election. I am by no means Hillary's ardent supporter, but I do know she has worked hard for all children, regardless of color, but can not come up with any group that Trump has given service to. He even lied about donations to our veterans, and was complicit in his father's housing discrimination against Blacks. Don't oversimplify what sound bites you hear about Clinton's dishonesty.
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If they think things are bad now, sit out the election and let Trump get in. Then they will see things get much worse. If voters are really smart they will give her Congress as well, so she can get her job program passed.
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What harm can Trump cause that was not already done by the first Clinton Administration? EVERY THING wrong with this country started in the Clinton Administration. EVERYTHING!
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No. Everything wrong with this country did not start with the Clinton's and it's idiotic and pure ignorance to think so.
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@donna
Sorry. But if you are asking a question like that, you must have skipped History, and have no clue about Donald Trump and his business practices.
Sorry. But if you are asking a question like that, you must have skipped History, and have no clue about Donald Trump and his business practices.
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Young people do some studies on how Bernie voted he voted for the crime bill, he voted against many things that that he says he's for sometimes when you vote for a bill it's loaded down with amendment that you want to fight to get out or it has things in it that outweighs the bad so you vote yes it's not black & white
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The premise is incorrect. Trump is no racist but Hillary IS a liar.
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Trump is prepared to be anything that will put him him in the lead. He's all about winning nothing else matters, he's a master turncoat!
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Trump is no racist?
He and his Trump organization did not rent to blacks in his buildings. In 1973 he had to be sued by the Nixon DOJ to comply with anti-discrimination laws.
When a black applicant filled out a rental application, Trump org. would put a C on the application (for colored) and stick it in a drawer never to see the light of day again.
Another time he complained that he did not want black casino workers touching "his money" at his casinos.
He thinks all Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists.
He said that Judge Curiel could not be fair to him in the Trump U. fraud lawsuit because his parents were born in Mexico.
He and his Trump organization did not rent to blacks in his buildings. In 1973 he had to be sued by the Nixon DOJ to comply with anti-discrimination laws.
When a black applicant filled out a rental application, Trump org. would put a C on the application (for colored) and stick it in a drawer never to see the light of day again.
Another time he complained that he did not want black casino workers touching "his money" at his casinos.
He thinks all Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists.
He said that Judge Curiel could not be fair to him in the Trump U. fraud lawsuit because his parents were born in Mexico.
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
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According to the "graphic" - right up there with the most inscrutable I've ever seen - these "Young Blacks" surveyed are all in Ohio and Florida. If that's truly the case, I'm not worried they will tip the race towards Trump. Also, if I've figured the results out correctly, Clinton still leads both states in these focus groups by no less than 3.5 points. I'm getting a little tired of the NYT alarmist headlines about Mrs. Clinton; they make people think she really IS a terrible person when most of the hype originated in the Republican propaganda on Fox News.
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Be sure to open up the powerpoint presentation embedded in this article. These generalizations were made from a grand total of 4 focus groups - 50 people in all!
Everyone in marketing knows that focus groups are not "quantitative;" they are not a statistically-valid sample and have no predictive value whatsoever. They are often conducted just to find realistic "sound bites" for the copywriters to include in the ads.
Furthermore, in this case, the groups are biased in that they are only asked to respond to Left Wing arguments.
Indeed, Ms. Heather Bresch of Mylan Pharmaceutical could just as easily conduct her own focus groups that conclude US patients love the EpiPen price hikes and would like the Mylan CEO to be the next saint beatified after Mother Teresa!
Seriously, neither the focus groups nor this article are legitimate reporting of fact; they are advocacy pieces lobbying for a shift to the Left by the Clinton campaign. A quick look at the pollster's bio, and the organizations funding him, reveals that this whole thing is a Hard Left propaganda exercise.
Everyone in marketing knows that focus groups are not "quantitative;" they are not a statistically-valid sample and have no predictive value whatsoever. They are often conducted just to find realistic "sound bites" for the copywriters to include in the ads.
Furthermore, in this case, the groups are biased in that they are only asked to respond to Left Wing arguments.
Indeed, Ms. Heather Bresch of Mylan Pharmaceutical could just as easily conduct her own focus groups that conclude US patients love the EpiPen price hikes and would like the Mylan CEO to be the next saint beatified after Mother Teresa!
Seriously, neither the focus groups nor this article are legitimate reporting of fact; they are advocacy pieces lobbying for a shift to the Left by the Clinton campaign. A quick look at the pollster's bio, and the organizations funding him, reveals that this whole thing is a Hard Left propaganda exercise.
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This is the problem here....after reading many comments and the bantering back and forth on race and what candidate is the racist and whose the liar, etc., BOTH PARTIES ARE BURYING the working class in this country each year with a low wage economy and political system that is designed to enhance corporate profits along with their political shills. So we the people can continue to be divided and manipulated or we can come together and fight back the Corporate States of America.
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So ask yourself who Wall Street bankers and other corporatists are financing in this election. It's Hillary Clinton, almost exclusively - the same one they paid millions to give speeches.
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Hillary could afford myriad "Sister Souljah" pronouncements, yet African-Americans would have no choice but to vote for her. A truely marginalized political entity.
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How blind the commenters are in their inability to acknowledge even an inch of truth; that the Democrats have come up short in their representation of blacks. You want black votes address black concerns. Young blacks have every right to express skepticism.
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According to this narrative -- by a white reporter at a newspaper with an overwhelmingly white readership -- young black people are concerned about police brutality, and never have a care about the homicide rate in their communities.
For example, the story quotes a St. Louis activist "in the push for police accountability" without mentioning the St. Louis homicide rate or bothering to ask any young black people if they are concerned about it.
For the record, St. Louis has the highest homicide rate of any large US city -- about TEN TIMES that of NYC, and rising. (Up over 70% since 2012).
I believe this narrative reflects the attitude of white liberals, who by and large are unconcerned about violent crime, while black attitudes toward crime and justice are far more complex.
In fact, many blacks supported the Clinton Administration policies in favor of tougher sentencing, another fact the story ignores.
For example, the story quotes a St. Louis activist "in the push for police accountability" without mentioning the St. Louis homicide rate or bothering to ask any young black people if they are concerned about it.
For the record, St. Louis has the highest homicide rate of any large US city -- about TEN TIMES that of NYC, and rising. (Up over 70% since 2012).
I believe this narrative reflects the attitude of white liberals, who by and large are unconcerned about violent crime, while black attitudes toward crime and justice are far more complex.
In fact, many blacks supported the Clinton Administration policies in favor of tougher sentencing, another fact the story ignores.
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Did you know that 10 times more Whites dies of heroin overdose than Blacks die of gun violence? Did you know that twice as many Whites die of suicide by gun than Blacks die by gun violence? Did you know that the number of deaths by gun violence decreases every year? You know why you don't know? Because the media focuses on 8000 murders a year, and ignores the other 22000 murders committed by non Black people.
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Many blacks still do support it - especially mothers with young kids living in some of the nation's most violent cities. They want more police protection - not less.
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Oh thank you! I am no longer worried about the gun violence in America because more people die of drug overdoses.
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This isn't surprising, as Hillary Clinton is a profoundly bad candidate and her Presidency is destined to be an atrocity. Her experience at governing is horrific. Please consider Hillarycare, which failed because of Hillary's dyspeptic personality and inability to get along with Members of Congress much less compromise them. As a United States Senator, she was awfully good at attaching her name to the legislation of others but could not do the heavy lifting herself. The only job she brought to NY State were the jobs of her staffers. As Secretary of State, her multiple failures are manifest and around us. The only endorsement her husband could come up with was "she won't suck."
Trump is a horror show too. None of these examples of human offal would be their candidate's nominee if the somnolent press - including the NY Times - did more than reprint press releases from the various campaigns.
Trump is a horror show too. None of these examples of human offal would be their candidate's nominee if the somnolent press - including the NY Times - did more than reprint press releases from the various campaigns.
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I hate how the onus is on Black Americans to toe the line and support HRC. How about she earn our vote with some significant rhetoric or policy proposals. That's usually how democracies work ;)
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Have you read any of her proposals?
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So after 5 decades of Democratic Party rule in cities all over America and eight years of a black president and attorney general, blacks now have higher unemployment, lower wages, worse schools, own fewer homes, and the list goes on an on.
And you think rhetoric from Hillary is the answer?
SMH.
And you think rhetoric from Hillary is the answer?
SMH.
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Perhaps taking a look at how the candidates spent their earlier years will help. While Clinton was working for civil rights in numerous ways, Trump was busy making sure that African Americans were not his tenants---in direct opposition to their civil rights. He was a force behind the birther movement, and to this day has yet to disavow either of these things. He has shown, repeatedly, that he has no respect for anyone who isn't exactly like him (white, male). The decisions the Supreme Court justices the next president will appoint will reverberate much longer than 4 or 8 years. In addition, there are plenty of important contests down-ticket, particularly Senate seats (the very crowd that has done everything possible to thwart our current President). The idea that not voting is some honorable act just shows that the potential nonvoters don't realize what is at stake.
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Early in her career, Hilary Clinton was working for Barry Goldwater. Then later she is on record laughing about defending and getting an acquittal for a client she KNEW raped a 12 year old girl (YouTube it). And of course her cozy relationship with KKK leader Senator Robert Byrd. So your rosy picture of Hillary's past is fiction. Oh yeah, I almost forgot "Super Predators". She coined that phrase just for the black community in 1994.
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What did all those "ways" accomplish?
The same three problems plaguing the Black community that liberals promised to fix 37 years ago when I was born are the same three problems plaguing the Black community in 2016 that liberals are still promising to fix.
What's the definition of insanity liberals?
The same three problems plaguing the Black community that liberals promised to fix 37 years ago when I was born are the same three problems plaguing the Black community in 2016 that liberals are still promising to fix.
What's the definition of insanity liberals?
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@brian
Typical one-sided Breitbart/FOX News-inspired bio.
But somehow you managed to omit Clinton's work with Marian Wright Edeleman and the Children's Defense Fund...Google it. It's there.
And back to "Super Predators" again?? -- Why not try to keep it within it's full context insted of cherry-picking of how you think it was meant.
Typical one-sided Breitbart/FOX News-inspired bio.
But somehow you managed to omit Clinton's work with Marian Wright Edeleman and the Children's Defense Fund...Google it. It's there.
And back to "Super Predators" again?? -- Why not try to keep it within it's full context insted of cherry-picking of how you think it was meant.
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Neither has offered Nor can offer Soloutions for a Country in a death spiral
So pick your poison and ENJOY
So pick your poison and ENJOY
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This analysis assumes most millennials don't want similar things and that they benefit from being targeted by their race. Maybe the problem is dissecting this age cohort by race to begin with.
When democrats divide the electorate by race, blacks get the same old, same old from people like Hillary, who have been approaching them in the same way for decades. They also get pressured to stay within the confines of traditional racial politics with tired old refrains, "The other guy/GOP is racist!". This is all such last century treatment.
If millennials were to not allow themselves to be strip-mined by identity, they might be much more effective in their voting power. They are, after all, coming into their own age-wise.
When democrats divide the electorate by race, blacks get the same old, same old from people like Hillary, who have been approaching them in the same way for decades. They also get pressured to stay within the confines of traditional racial politics with tired old refrains, "The other guy/GOP is racist!". This is all such last century treatment.
If millennials were to not allow themselves to be strip-mined by identity, they might be much more effective in their voting power. They are, after all, coming into their own age-wise.
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I think that's what scares a lot of those commenting here, that's why they continue to go back to the same tired, bigoted fear-mongering about the "big scary racists" on the other side.
When Joe Biden said Mitt Romney wanted to "put y'all back in chains" in 2012, I was never more disgusted with the Democratic Party and their abuse of the word "racist" in my life.
When Joe Biden said Mitt Romney wanted to "put y'all back in chains" in 2012, I was never more disgusted with the Democratic Party and their abuse of the word "racist" in my life.
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"'We already know what the deal is with Trump,' said Nathan Baskerville, a 35-year-old North Carolina state representative. 'Tell us what your plan is to make our life better.'"
Before we parrot the progressive dogma re the minimum wage, it must be pointed out that the first minimum wage law in the United States was explicitly designed not to help blacks but to hurt them. A minimum wage was put in place to prevent impecunious black men from undercutting the wages of whites. It succeeded fabulously.
It is no great thing to work for little, but it is far worse not to work at all. And why, if the poorest of the poor are willing and wanting to work, are we going to prevent them from doing so by putting in a wage floor? We mustn't continue in the business of having wages set by politicians, who haven't a clue what they're up to. Rural Alabama, suffice it to say, is not Manhattan. Perhaps it would be better to adjust the EITC so that everyone earns the equivalent of $15 an hour but we avoid the negatives of higher minimums.
Problems in the ghettos are economic and educational, and those problems have conjoined to create social problems. But it isn't clear to me that changing the economic status of poor blacks is enough. It remains the case that too many black children are raised in single-parent homes. I'm not convinced that inner-city culture will change along with economic status, and that is what must change in order to see sustainable improvements for inner-city blacks.
Before we parrot the progressive dogma re the minimum wage, it must be pointed out that the first minimum wage law in the United States was explicitly designed not to help blacks but to hurt them. A minimum wage was put in place to prevent impecunious black men from undercutting the wages of whites. It succeeded fabulously.
It is no great thing to work for little, but it is far worse not to work at all. And why, if the poorest of the poor are willing and wanting to work, are we going to prevent them from doing so by putting in a wage floor? We mustn't continue in the business of having wages set by politicians, who haven't a clue what they're up to. Rural Alabama, suffice it to say, is not Manhattan. Perhaps it would be better to adjust the EITC so that everyone earns the equivalent of $15 an hour but we avoid the negatives of higher minimums.
Problems in the ghettos are economic and educational, and those problems have conjoined to create social problems. But it isn't clear to me that changing the economic status of poor blacks is enough. It remains the case that too many black children are raised in single-parent homes. I'm not convinced that inner-city culture will change along with economic status, and that is what must change in order to see sustainable improvements for inner-city blacks.
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Ask yourself this:
Who is Hillary for? Public teacher unions or public school students. I'll give you a hint... the student can't vote.
Who is Hillary for? Public teacher unions or public school students. I'll give you a hint... the student can't vote.
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Anyone who thinks that Trump or the GOP cares about African Americans plight is utterly delusional.
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As opposed to Obama liberals ignoring where we are today as a result of Obama's abysmal presidency in the Black Community?
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As usual, blaming the Obama administration for everything that's wrong in the Black Community....
Just for the record. Black people have had a rough time in this country ever since it first came into existence.
Just for the record. Black people have had a rough time in this country ever since it first came into existence.
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DC Barrister,
Am pretty sure a Congressional blockade had something to do with the President's abilities to move programs forward. But surely you know this?
Am pretty sure a Congressional blockade had something to do with the President's abilities to move programs forward. But surely you know this?
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Something is missing. Everyday NYT covers stories on Trump (not a surprise) and sometimes on Kaine and then a few times on Pence, but not a whole lot of coverage on Hillary outside of the Email investigation by FBI. Is she not campaigning at all or news on her is not generating enough clicks; I have no idea.
I do know that until 2008, Bill Clinton was called the first Black President of America, i.e. someone who really tried to bridge the white/black divide. I am surprised that Hillary hasn't generated enough excitement among African Americans, perhaps it is because she will be following the first Black President. Or perhaps there has been so much negative campaign against her that there is a loss of excitement across the electorate.
In any case, for the last remaining 8 weeks she needs to use Obama in a big way to get her less-than enthusiastic supporters to go out and vote.
I do know that until 2008, Bill Clinton was called the first Black President of America, i.e. someone who really tried to bridge the white/black divide. I am surprised that Hillary hasn't generated enough excitement among African Americans, perhaps it is because she will be following the first Black President. Or perhaps there has been so much negative campaign against her that there is a loss of excitement across the electorate.
In any case, for the last remaining 8 weeks she needs to use Obama in a big way to get her less-than enthusiastic supporters to go out and vote.
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Maybe what we're seeing is the end of "race" as a predominant voting factor.
Between voting for Obama because of his race and expecting black millennials to automatically vote for Hillary (Democratic) because of their race, maybe millennials are starting to feel the limitations of viewing the election predominantly by "race."
Between voting for Obama because of his race and expecting black millennials to automatically vote for Hillary (Democratic) because of their race, maybe millennials are starting to feel the limitations of viewing the election predominantly by "race."
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Interestingly, those who would ding Donald for his purported bad views in the early 70s are quick to claim that Hillary has "evolved" since her "super predator" views in 1996 and Barack Obama's "evolved" his stand on gay marriage well after 2008. Ditto for Hillary on gay marriage well after 2008.
We are told that opposition to gay marriage arises from bigotry and hatred. When Californians voted heavily for a state constitutional amendment to bar gay marriage, we were excoriated as bigots. Are you ready to concede that, far more recently than The Donald, or California's ill-fated ban, two leading Dems exhibited bigotry and hate?
Or, more accurately, that they are bottom-feeding pols who simply say what's fashionable? And that Donald does not remotely deserve the epithets lobbed at him by nervous liberals?
We are told that opposition to gay marriage arises from bigotry and hatred. When Californians voted heavily for a state constitutional amendment to bar gay marriage, we were excoriated as bigots. Are you ready to concede that, far more recently than The Donald, or California's ill-fated ban, two leading Dems exhibited bigotry and hate?
Or, more accurately, that they are bottom-feeding pols who simply say what's fashionable? And that Donald does not remotely deserve the epithets lobbed at him by nervous liberals?
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Please give example of how Trump has evolved form his racist ways?
Just in the primary cycle he called all Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals.
Then a couple of months ago he said that Judge Curiel could not be impartial because "he was Mexicans" although the Judge was born in the U.S.
Then look over there "That's my African-American"!
And to all African Americans: Your lives are a mess. "What the hell you got to lose" Vote for me!
Just in the primary cycle he called all Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals.
Then a couple of months ago he said that Judge Curiel could not be impartial because "he was Mexicans" although the Judge was born in the U.S.
Then look over there "That's my African-American"!
And to all African Americans: Your lives are a mess. "What the hell you got to lose" Vote for me!
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I'm guessing there are two reasons young blacks are skeptical about Hillary:
1. They are better educated. More have gone to college under Affirmative Action programs and Diversity admission policies, and have learned to read the news skeptically and attend to both liberal and conservative media to get the whole picture, so they know a good deal more about Hillary than their less-educated parents, who have been taught to only access liberal media.
2. They are wealthier than past generations of blacks and better integrated to middle and upper class American society. So they share many of the same values as the middle class at large. They want good jobs, they don't want competition from alien labor; they don't want to live in fear of terror attacks, so they want secure borders and tracking for those who enter on visas, ensuring they leave on time; they want school choice for their children to ensure they get the best possible education; they want a law and order society, not a lawless one, because they have a stake in a stable and ordered America.
1. They are better educated. More have gone to college under Affirmative Action programs and Diversity admission policies, and have learned to read the news skeptically and attend to both liberal and conservative media to get the whole picture, so they know a good deal more about Hillary than their less-educated parents, who have been taught to only access liberal media.
2. They are wealthier than past generations of blacks and better integrated to middle and upper class American society. So they share many of the same values as the middle class at large. They want good jobs, they don't want competition from alien labor; they don't want to live in fear of terror attacks, so they want secure borders and tracking for those who enter on visas, ensuring they leave on time; they want school choice for their children to ensure they get the best possible education; they want a law and order society, not a lawless one, because they have a stake in a stable and ordered America.
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Young blacks want a police state??
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Most are not middle class. Currently both the average, median, and the historical term of middle class does not apply to the definition currently used by the government. Middle class is defined at the current value of money made a year for an individual is 120k to 250k. For a family of four, it is about 250k to 500k. This definition does not correlate with yours based off a definition made to make those left behind and those who are worthless exept for their votes to feel special.
@LOL
We're already living in one!
We're already living in one!
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Hillary Clinton is far from a perfect candidate but she certainly is qualified to seek the presidency and if given a chance will do the best one can with the office. The main problem is that Hillary Clinton is allowing the negative narratives about her to dominate the conversation and often simply giving them more ammunitions with her behavior. For example, where is she these days? Totally missing in action and allowing Trump's lies to dominate the discourse. Hillary needs to come out and speak and speak loud. Clinton Foundation: let's talk about Trump University. Emails and lack of transparency: two words tax returns. Etc etc. African American lives: a life time commitment v. Trump first lifetime visit to a Black church. Come clean Hillary. Release all your emails and speeches. Apologize and stop even remotely defending the use of a private server. Fight for the presidency and the lies spread by Trump. Or frankly you deserve to lose. Sadly, we and our country will lose too with a demagogue incompetent charlatan as President Trump will surely be.
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Thank God these young people are not all mindless sheep.
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If Democrats have indeed said they are worried about a segment of the Black vote, that confirms what many clear thinkers have know for a long time, and that is: the Democratic Party, or at least some in that Party, does not really care about Blacks, but takes their vote as a given. The position is rational: why do anything for a group, when the vote of that group is predictably, year after year, and decade after decade, for only one party.
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The alternative has never been better. Perhaps they should think about that.
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This report calling H.D.C.’s young black support into question seems to be real news as most news outlets have reported since the Dem’s Convention that her winning the election is more or less a sure thing as D.J.T. plays catch-up game from behind.
Her failure in unburdening the heavy load of establishment has become her embarras de richesse. She is on the horns of a dilemma that she needs the unstinting support of the establishment for both financial gain and political prowess on the one hand and voters’ hovering about her over-relying on the detestable establishment on the other. There is undoubtedly a groundswell of support for the idea of a new democratic revolution as Bernie Sanders’ political revolution has evidently demonstrated the anti-establishment popularity especially among the young regardless of races. The revolution is their only hope to upgrade and restore their long lost democratic rights vis-a-vis the establishmental autocracy.
According to Rasmussen Reports posted on 10/29/2015: “71 percent of all voters view capitalism favorably, while just 33 percent see socialism favorably. But those under 40 are much less enthusiastic about it than their elders. Younger voters are also much less likely to favor capitalism over socialism." (See http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-divided-on-whats-best-social... What this means is that the young is more revolutionary-minded than their elders.
H.R.C.’s fallen behind.
Her failure in unburdening the heavy load of establishment has become her embarras de richesse. She is on the horns of a dilemma that she needs the unstinting support of the establishment for both financial gain and political prowess on the one hand and voters’ hovering about her over-relying on the detestable establishment on the other. There is undoubtedly a groundswell of support for the idea of a new democratic revolution as Bernie Sanders’ political revolution has evidently demonstrated the anti-establishment popularity especially among the young regardless of races. The revolution is their only hope to upgrade and restore their long lost democratic rights vis-a-vis the establishmental autocracy.
According to Rasmussen Reports posted on 10/29/2015: “71 percent of all voters view capitalism favorably, while just 33 percent see socialism favorably. But those under 40 are much less enthusiastic about it than their elders. Younger voters are also much less likely to favor capitalism over socialism." (See http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-divided-on-whats-best-social... What this means is that the young is more revolutionary-minded than their elders.
H.R.C.’s fallen behind.
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HRC is running a 1968 campaign in 2016. DJT is running a 1968 campaign in 2016. Both parties are running a 1968 campaign in 2016.
The problem is, the largest generation since the bay boom, have teh values of the Depression generation, not the Baby Boom generation. To young people the Great Recession to them is like the Great Depression. And both political parties, and their candidates, all across the ballot, are way out of touch with that demographic.
The problem is, the largest generation since the bay boom, have teh values of the Depression generation, not the Baby Boom generation. To young people the Great Recession to them is like the Great Depression. And both political parties, and their candidates, all across the ballot, are way out of touch with that demographic.
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It is amazing to me that so many have no common sense, and ability to understand that walking into a dynamite factory with a burning torch is not a bright idea. Electing Trump is a disaster of epic proportions ,how do Americans not see the real difference between him and her. Every 'MAJOR' event from Trump is just another con-job in broad daylight. RANT RANT RANT on the Mexicans, go there make a worthless speech about the trafficking and narco operations and come home. Then with in hours back to bash the Mexicans. What we do know is that El Presidenta of Mexico is as much of an idiot as Trump. Wake up BLACK PEOPLE, there is no place for you inn Trumps' Amerika!
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I've noticed that people in the media are doing the best to try and level the playing field so it's a horse race (Ratings?) when Trump has absolutely no chance to win.
It's almost like Trump doesn't want to win but the media doesn't care, they will do anything and everything to make this a horse race for ratings. he once said he could shoot someone in the street and still be in the race.. and just saying that should disqualify him but he's still the race.
Citizen United was more about the media companies getting the big slice of dough during election season.
It's almost like Trump doesn't want to win but the media doesn't care, they will do anything and everything to make this a horse race for ratings. he once said he could shoot someone in the street and still be in the race.. and just saying that should disqualify him but he's still the race.
Citizen United was more about the media companies getting the big slice of dough during election season.
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The Democrats are worried young blacks won't vote?
The Democrats turned America into a Police-State contrary to the idea of Freedom.
Bill Clinton added 100,000 cops to the ranks of America's police.
The Police are killing blacks across the country.
That's why Democrats lost the black vote and the Republicans will rarely have it.
It's them and us.
The Democrats turned America into a Police-State contrary to the idea of Freedom.
Bill Clinton added 100,000 cops to the ranks of America's police.
The Police are killing blacks across the country.
That's why Democrats lost the black vote and the Republicans will rarely have it.
It's them and us.
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It's only under totalitarian governments that people are expected--under peril of very dreadful consequences--to vote in lockstep with party diktats.
I can't think of one way in which Hillary promotes--rather than mouths--actual progressive values.
I almost vomited last week when I heard her actually invoke Reagan's city on a hill lines. I'd call that a sign of the imminent coming of the Apocalypse, for sure.
Intelligent, thoughtful young black people are not swallowing the same garbage their elders seem to hold as gospel. Times change--but the Democratic party is still trying to sell them down the river--just in different ways.
Of course that doesn't mean the Republican party is a viable option. But third and fourth--or perhaps fifth and sixth--parties need to grow and flourish here so we all have genuine choices and can encourage the rise of productive political coalitions. A vote for Hillary won't bring us that.
I can't think of one way in which Hillary promotes--rather than mouths--actual progressive values.
I almost vomited last week when I heard her actually invoke Reagan's city on a hill lines. I'd call that a sign of the imminent coming of the Apocalypse, for sure.
Intelligent, thoughtful young black people are not swallowing the same garbage their elders seem to hold as gospel. Times change--but the Democratic party is still trying to sell them down the river--just in different ways.
Of course that doesn't mean the Republican party is a viable option. But third and fourth--or perhaps fifth and sixth--parties need to grow and flourish here so we all have genuine choices and can encourage the rise of productive political coalitions. A vote for Hillary won't bring us that.
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Perhaps if the MSM actually asked and then reported on policies of HRC and the DNC instead of ONLY asking and reporting on emails people might be able to learn something about the issues versus what the MSM wants us to find out.
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Let's all wake up. Most of us older, Caucasian male people could care less about "young blacks voice skepticism on Hillary Clinton".
Tired of the non-stop complaining about how discriminated African Americans feel. Fact is many of us witness on daily basis on the job discrimination when we are asked on job applications what our race is. Subtle message is that "Quota's" are the name of the game in most corporate environments.
Young Blacks should like many other groups should concentrate their effort on education. Forget about Democrats or Republicans. Worry about your own mind, future and value system.
Our society of political correctness is obsessed with skin pigment. Get over it and wake up. Most foreign born persons I've encountered in my life (Indian, Chinese) are laughing at you all the way to the Bank!
We are fed up with the pandering and stupidity of it all. WE ARE ALL AMERICAN! WAKE UP!
Tired of the non-stop complaining about how discriminated African Americans feel. Fact is many of us witness on daily basis on the job discrimination when we are asked on job applications what our race is. Subtle message is that "Quota's" are the name of the game in most corporate environments.
Young Blacks should like many other groups should concentrate their effort on education. Forget about Democrats or Republicans. Worry about your own mind, future and value system.
Our society of political correctness is obsessed with skin pigment. Get over it and wake up. Most foreign born persons I've encountered in my life (Indian, Chinese) are laughing at you all the way to the Bank!
We are fed up with the pandering and stupidity of it all. WE ARE ALL AMERICAN! WAKE UP!
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Doubt this comment makes it, but having read the column and many, many of the comments, I find the negative comments re/HRC so extreme, so fact challenged and frankly ridiculous that I find myself questioning their authenticity. It's as though a whole fake army has been created and summoned by the Bannon, Breitbart, Conway, Hannity & Coulter shills for Trump, to bash HRC and prop up black support for Trump by posting here as Trump supporters.
I'm not prone to delusion or conspiracy, but nothing surprises. It has already been demonstrated that there are no boundaries the Trump campaign is unwilling to cross. But something smells here, and it's not my neighbor's grill.
I'm not prone to delusion or conspiracy, but nothing surprises. It has already been demonstrated that there are no boundaries the Trump campaign is unwilling to cross. But something smells here, and it's not my neighbor's grill.
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I am not a Trump supporter but Mrs. Clinton has either voted for or out right supported some of the strongest "racist" policies this country has seen since Jim Crow. Namely, the Crime Bills of 1994/96, the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 and the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act also of 1996. All of these bills have seen to the criminalization of the working class blacks (and hispanics) and created a huge, privatized prison industrial detention complex. I for one think that the passing of NAFTA (which both Clintons supported) a few years earlier precipitated the creation of the aforementioned legislation. If blue collar and working class people lose a decent paying job you better have something in place to deal with them when the social structure starts coming apart.
It's also no coincidence that soon after NAFTA was passed in 1993 the famous wall, "or fence" along the Mexican border was started under the Clinton Administration which Ms. Clinton supported. Please see Todd Miller's piece "No Need to Build The Donald's Wall, It’s Built," for TomDispatch.com. Ms. Clinton was one of the few Democrats in the Senate in 2006 who voted to continue supporting "The Secure Fence Act" to keep illegal immigrants out. When questioned in 2015 about her yes vote for H.R. 6061 Mrs. Clinton stated that we must "control our borders". So, Trump gets labeled a "racist" and the Dems and Clintons? well----they just really "feel our pain"
It's also no coincidence that soon after NAFTA was passed in 1993 the famous wall, "or fence" along the Mexican border was started under the Clinton Administration which Ms. Clinton supported. Please see Todd Miller's piece "No Need to Build The Donald's Wall, It’s Built," for TomDispatch.com. Ms. Clinton was one of the few Democrats in the Senate in 2006 who voted to continue supporting "The Secure Fence Act" to keep illegal immigrants out. When questioned in 2015 about her yes vote for H.R. 6061 Mrs. Clinton stated that we must "control our borders". So, Trump gets labeled a "racist" and the Dems and Clintons? well----they just really "feel our pain"
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Any comment that begins with "I am a lifelong Democrat, but..." Or for this particular article "I am a young black .." Is suspiciously troll-like.
This article has brought out the legions.
@Joy
Which party was in the majority when these bills were passed? Which of the bills received support in the black community? How did NAFTA figure in to building a wall? Or Welfare Reform or adding community policing?
This article has brought out the legions.
@Joy
Which party was in the majority when these bills were passed? Which of the bills received support in the black community? How did NAFTA figure in to building a wall? Or Welfare Reform or adding community policing?
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To those who say that Johnson, the libertarian candidate who is polling 12% now, is an acceptable alternative to Clinton, here are a few reason I can not support him:
- He doesn't believe in ANY kind of gun control.
- He opposes Obamacare or any other type of government intervention in health care
- He wants to abolish the IRS
- He wants to privatize Social Security
- He wants to raise the retirement age to 75, which is fine if you have a white collar job pushing papers behind a desk. If you have a job that requires much physical labor your body is not going to hold up to doing it at 75. Also, poor and minority workers tend to die younger than richer workers, so they may not live to collect much if any SS
As for Stein, polling at 5%, she lost me when I heard she doesn't believe in vaccines although she's a doctor. Another science denying doctor like Carson?
- He doesn't believe in ANY kind of gun control.
- He opposes Obamacare or any other type of government intervention in health care
- He wants to abolish the IRS
- He wants to privatize Social Security
- He wants to raise the retirement age to 75, which is fine if you have a white collar job pushing papers behind a desk. If you have a job that requires much physical labor your body is not going to hold up to doing it at 75. Also, poor and minority workers tend to die younger than richer workers, so they may not live to collect much if any SS
As for Stein, polling at 5%, she lost me when I heard she doesn't believe in vaccines although she's a doctor. Another science denying doctor like Carson?
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Not only does Johnson not believe in gun control, he argues for the insurrectionist theory of the 2A.
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Geez, a 25 page report issued by a non-partisan polling outfit after four focus groups of millennials -- all of four -- and it's front page news? Come on. I know it's a big holiday weekend, but this stuff is granular, and misleading.
Of course, millennials are disconnected from mainstream politics; they are far more connected to their digital devices. The reality is this group just does not vote. It's so easy to voice blanket condemnation and scornful indifference. These participants are delivering punchlines, "colorful" quotations to the media. Surely they will not be so clueless as to empower the legislating of voter suppression laws, which is what voting republican will do.
They say Hillary is not addressing their concerns, but if she spread her message around to every possible cranny of the electorate she would be accused of disingenuousness, and being "untrustworthy."
Her advocacy of public financed early childhood daycare will take an enormous burden off the shoulders of single mothers who live in poverty. That alone will take a big chunk out of racial disparities. What are Trump's ideas? Oh right, keep the minimum wage where it's at, so developers can "create jobs" and, in the bargain, gorge themselves on non-taxable income.
I'm coming to the view that small bore reporting of this nature does not serve democracy. Instead, report on the older black women activists, who are worldly, motivated and fully behind Clinton.
Of course, millennials are disconnected from mainstream politics; they are far more connected to their digital devices. The reality is this group just does not vote. It's so easy to voice blanket condemnation and scornful indifference. These participants are delivering punchlines, "colorful" quotations to the media. Surely they will not be so clueless as to empower the legislating of voter suppression laws, which is what voting republican will do.
They say Hillary is not addressing their concerns, but if she spread her message around to every possible cranny of the electorate she would be accused of disingenuousness, and being "untrustworthy."
Her advocacy of public financed early childhood daycare will take an enormous burden off the shoulders of single mothers who live in poverty. That alone will take a big chunk out of racial disparities. What are Trump's ideas? Oh right, keep the minimum wage where it's at, so developers can "create jobs" and, in the bargain, gorge themselves on non-taxable income.
I'm coming to the view that small bore reporting of this nature does not serve democracy. Instead, report on the older black women activists, who are worldly, motivated and fully behind Clinton.
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"Hillary must be having trouble because both sides!" Forgive me for being confused, but:
According to the article:
. 7 of AA voters under 35 will support the nominee. Voters under 35 are (roughly) .25 of the total AA voters.
18 of that under 25 group don't know which way they will vote yet.
Obama got .92 (call it .9) of black votes under -45-.
Data comparison from 2012? Does not exist. What % of voters between 35 and 45 is HRC carrying now? Does not say. Discussion of numbers with context so that the reader can evaluate it? Also does not exist.
"The Times' shadowy coverage of the Clintons has now become clouded by further allegations of bias."
According to the article:
. 7 of AA voters under 35 will support the nominee. Voters under 35 are (roughly) .25 of the total AA voters.
18 of that under 25 group don't know which way they will vote yet.
Obama got .92 (call it .9) of black votes under -45-.
Data comparison from 2012? Does not exist. What % of voters between 35 and 45 is HRC carrying now? Does not say. Discussion of numbers with context so that the reader can evaluate it? Also does not exist.
"The Times' shadowy coverage of the Clintons has now become clouded by further allegations of bias."
right: no difference between the candidate who contested the legitimacy of the first African American president, and has yet to retract the charge, and who has supported the suppression of voting rights under the canard of "fraud," and the candidate who went straight from college to work for the educational opportunities of discriminated African American children. A failure to make this kind of distinction, in an imperfect world, where one candidate has a various record over 40 years, and another candidate has no record of public service, is really a sad reflection of the power of propaganda.
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The Birthers were birthed out of Hillary's supporters during her nasty campaign with Obama. Don't you remember?
Donald may bring it up (stop talking Donald) but Hillary's supporters started the Obama-Kenyan theme as they circulated the photo of Obama in a turban. Know your history.
Donald may bring it up (stop talking Donald) but Hillary's supporters started the Obama-Kenyan theme as they circulated the photo of Obama in a turban. Know your history.
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You remember who started the birther thingy, right? That would be Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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@dean
Clinton might have stated it, but Trump turned it into a Movement and a Class-A witch-hunt that is STILL going on.....
Big difference.
Clinton might have stated it, but Trump turned it into a Movement and a Class-A witch-hunt that is STILL going on.....
Big difference.
For example...........a young and poor black man is approached by a police predator intent on making an arrest to garner more pay and rank. The cop finds some reason to arrest him after interrogating him in public without the young black man knowing to say nothing and apart from council. The young man is arrested and cuffed and taken to a precinct for processing and further questioning, perhaps even blackmailed with higher charges unless he names people. The young black man is then taken for arraignment where a prosecutor blackmails him with the "Plea Bargain" to lesser charges as long as the plea is guilty whether he is or not. This way, the cop, prosecutors, and judge get a paycheck for "Serving Justice". The young black man incurs the punishment rendered by the plea agreement. His life is ruined because he pled guilty and was convicted of a crime and is blacklisted from employment and a whole list of public benefits like housing or financial help when he needs it.
The young black man was arrested while living in public on the street and winds up living on the street all his life to be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you guessed it.........arrested again by the police.
Would you vote?
The young black man was arrested while living in public on the street and winds up living on the street all his life to be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you guessed it.........arrested again by the police.
Would you vote?
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You've had 8 years of a BLACK democrat president and you are complaining about HIS policies.
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Your story is taking place under the last year of an 8 term Democrat black establishment president. You seem to be suggesting that more of the same policies by the same establishment will somehow improve things.
But if you keep doing what you have been doing, you will keep getting what you have been getting.
But if you keep doing what you have been doing, you will keep getting what you have been getting.
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Oscar, this scenario goes back many decades. The Republican Nixon started this anti-freedom public imprisonment. Obama is slowly alleviating the problem, even after he promised to add another 100,000 cops in America.
It isn't Democrats versus Republicans. It's them and us.
It isn't Democrats versus Republicans. It's them and us.
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I'm tired of having to save ignoramuses from a fate worse than Hillary.
Everyone who should know better who is not going to vote for Hillary deserves to live under a Trump presidency!
What ridiculousness!
Everyone who should know better who is not going to vote for Hillary deserves to live under a Trump presidency!
What ridiculousness!
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Lets see now. A fate worse than Hillary equals a fate even worse than a president who is "extremely" careless with our national secrets.
Hmmm. That's a tough one.
Hmmm. That's a tough one.
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"Young Blacks Voice Skepticism on Hillary Clinton, Worrying Democrats"
If only the Democrats had been worried when they started losing the middle and lower class white vote. Instead of listening to their reasonable concerns they scapegoated them as the source of racism and xenophobia in America. Trump's ascent is directly tied to the Dems ignoring and even openly flouting contempt for certain large voting segments. Maybe they can sober up and try to be fair instead of blindly trying to win over certain demographics while ignoring or scapegoating others. Sadly enough, it's not likely to occur soon. It's very telling that when Bernie Sanders didn't impress and win the vote of poor blacks it was considered his fault but when Obama didn't impress and win the vote of poor whites it wasn't considered his fault.
If only the Democrats had been worried when they started losing the middle and lower class white vote. Instead of listening to their reasonable concerns they scapegoated them as the source of racism and xenophobia in America. Trump's ascent is directly tied to the Dems ignoring and even openly flouting contempt for certain large voting segments. Maybe they can sober up and try to be fair instead of blindly trying to win over certain demographics while ignoring or scapegoating others. Sadly enough, it's not likely to occur soon. It's very telling that when Bernie Sanders didn't impress and win the vote of poor blacks it was considered his fault but when Obama didn't impress and win the vote of poor whites it wasn't considered his fault.
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Thank you for this article. It shows what young black people are dealing with in that people refuse to see from their point of view.
Then, you go to the comments and see just how serious the issue is. Every comment tells the black youth what they should do, with hardly any actually using an issue that these kids can relate to. They are talking past them just the way they always have.
These commenters need to listen more.
Then, you go to the comments and see just how serious the issue is. Every comment tells the black youth what they should do, with hardly any actually using an issue that these kids can relate to. They are talking past them just the way they always have.
These commenters need to listen more.
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So tell us an issue
the article yesterday about how she spends her time -
with the super rich - people like herself
says it all
why should anyone vote for this woman -
her lies, her hypocrisy, her appalling arrogance
the worst
expect for trump
as others have said, she is the luckiest person ever to have run -
how many will vote for her because trump is worse
i predict she gets in for four years and is ousted
i am voting for jill stein - but dont worry hillary lovers
my vote doesnt count - she wins my state with no problem
the rest of us in 'safe' that is, states that dont matter
you should also vote stein - send a message - this two party system is broken - and hrc is the worst in so many ways - she does not deserve an easy win
with the super rich - people like herself
says it all
why should anyone vote for this woman -
her lies, her hypocrisy, her appalling arrogance
the worst
expect for trump
as others have said, she is the luckiest person ever to have run -
how many will vote for her because trump is worse
i predict she gets in for four years and is ousted
i am voting for jill stein - but dont worry hillary lovers
my vote doesnt count - she wins my state with no problem
the rest of us in 'safe' that is, states that dont matter
you should also vote stein - send a message - this two party system is broken - and hrc is the worst in so many ways - she does not deserve an easy win
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The young black voters who would stay home because Clinton is not perfect, are indirectly helping to elect Trump. They are abdicating their responsibility to vote, and are letting others to make the decision for them. Many of them are unfamiliar with Clinton's work for blacks throughout her career.
How old are they? In their twenty's or thirties? Elect Trump and you will find your dreams disappear for the rest of your lives. The ushering of a new racist era will not be receptive to any of your whining.
Do not hold out for the illusive perfect candidate, there never is and never will be. There is no third choice in this election. Choose imperfect Hillary or Choose a racist, unprepared and unpredictable candidate and be ready for the catastrophic consequences. Choose wisely and please vote.
How old are they? In their twenty's or thirties? Elect Trump and you will find your dreams disappear for the rest of your lives. The ushering of a new racist era will not be receptive to any of your whining.
Do not hold out for the illusive perfect candidate, there never is and never will be. There is no third choice in this election. Choose imperfect Hillary or Choose a racist, unprepared and unpredictable candidate and be ready for the catastrophic consequences. Choose wisely and please vote.
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Clinton is "not perfect"?
You're joshing me, man. I think she IS perfect, and smart as they Comey.
You're joshing me, man. I think she IS perfect, and smart as they Comey.
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Its interesting that young blacks can be as stupid as young whites.
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Really? Really? And just how have republicans stood up for black rights? Ever?? I have fought for minority rights my whole life as a democrat. I am very disheartened that some blacks don't see who is their supporter and who is their enemy.
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Voting for Donald would be a big mistake, pretty much for anybody. Much of anti-clintonism precipitates from decades of rightist propaganda driven by a perpetual drumbeat of one accusation after another. Hillary is one of the most scrutinized people on the planet, and the net result on confirmed wrong doing? Zippo. So by all means, take your pick.
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Benghazi wasn't invented by the right. 30 year Army veteran, primairly in Special Operations. What she did was moral cowardice. She went to sleep when her people were in "Harms Way". If I as a former Troop Commander, while in a firefight with the enemy said, ah hell my folks will figure it out I am going to go get a cup of coffee or take a nap, I would be branded a coward, fired for cowardice, and removed from the Army. That alone is enough to never vote for her. Her E-Mail server is the biggest crock of crap I have ever seen and it makes watergate look like a church picnic. The difference between you folks and right minded conservatives is that they realized Nixon was wrong and needed to be impeached. You have no standards, you have no ethics or morals, you don't care. That's truly the difference. Clinton should be in jail. My XO did hard time for accidently sending a secret disk home in Iraq in his footlocker. You all cling to this claim that she didn't do anything wrong because she wasn't charged by the FBI, but you don't ask the additional question of how in the world that happened or why it happened. It's an open and shut case. If I as a member of the Armed Forces had stood up my own server I would be thrown in jail and convicted. Clinton is not an option for a country founded on the principle of law. IF you want to become something other than a country where everyone is treated equally under the law, then by all means vote for Clinton.
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Hello, my fellow African-Americans, could you please keep your eyes on the prize - its the SUPREME COURT, not Hillary Clinton!
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A racist can reform. A liar can not.
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70 years a racist? nah
Most racists are liars...listen to what they're saying.
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What would you say about someone who is both a racist and a liar? Exactly. We cannot expect Trump to change his spots on either count. Those who fact check statements of politicians for a living all agree that Mr. Trump lies more frequently than any of the 20 or so persons who sought the presidency this time around, including Mrs. Clinton.
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Time to start a MOVEMENT for equality around Hillary Clinton. Trump has his movement. His supporters are radicalized and they are determined to vote. Clinton supporters are not fired up, at least not yet. Time to push for a woman's rights and equal rights with a woman president.
Yes, she can. Yes, we can! Trump Donald Trump with Hillary!
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Yes, she can. Yes, we can! Trump Donald Trump with Hillary!
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The only way to ensure a politician takes your views into consideration is by assuring them that they cannot take your vote or your money for granted. Nothing else will move a politician. The second that young black millenials accept the "what is the alternative?" argument is the second they lose all leverage.
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I am a veteran of multiple wars, spending in excess of 7 and half years of my life in combat. I also held/continue to hold all of the clearances necessary to work at the highest security levels of the government. If I did what Hillary did, I would be in jail. Now the notes from the FBI have come out and it's apparent that really only three possibilities exist. If you don't know what (U), (C), (S), or (TS) is, then you are too stupid to be president. The alterantive is that she is either mentally incapaciatated or lying. None of these are good. I don't care what anyone says about Trump, nothing is worse than Clinton. I have watched the central theme of those who say he is a racist, but I am not buying it, certainly no more than the Clintons. My God, the woman was mentored by Robert Byrd. Trump has a point. If you think anything is going to change, when you have voted for the democrats as a block for the last 50 years. Nothing has changed. The definition of insaniity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result. You might want to listen to the guy, he is on the right side of immigration, security, trade and ....we all as a group might be better off if we burn the system down and start all over again. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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The logical fallacy so many people are falling for is that things can't get any worse.
Read your history.
Look to the Weimar Republic.
Trump is a fate much worse than Hillary!
Read your history.
Look to the Weimar Republic.
Trump is a fate much worse than Hillary!
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You will quickly lose the interest of the 1% who stand to gain the most from the tax reductions being offered by Trump. He is only using the drive-by photo ops with "the blacks" (as he refers to African Americans) to get a chance at the ultimate in self-aggrandizement and brand-building, which is clearly his main interest in all of this. He hates to lose, but even if he does he will, in the words of G.H.W. Bush (the elder), have "broken a lot of china" in the process. His constituency consists of one and only one person. Hillary is a liar, and yes either yours or my own transgressions with similar high-level email security breaches would have left us out of a job at best, in prison at worst. But the Donald is not releasing his tax returns nor his wife's true immigration timeline because he would also surely be shown to have broken the law. So, there you have it. High level politicians are scofflaws. You still have a choice, even if the bar has been set pretty low in this campaign - the lowest in my lifetime.
A common argument. The counter-argument is that ISIS is fascist and almost exactly like HItler's Germany.
Trump would eradicate them; Hillary would tolerate them, and invite them into the US through open borders.
Hey, y'all, come on DOWN. We love you.
Trump would eradicate them; Hillary would tolerate them, and invite them into the US through open borders.
Hey, y'all, come on DOWN. We love you.
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They may doubt Clinton...but they should not doubt that Donald Trump ...and the GOP in general, does not have their best interest at heart.
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You have absolutely no basis for your conclusion about Trump, but you have 8 years of a black president, a democrat president, who has not accomplished a cure for the ills of the inner cities.
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Biden claimed that Romney would put black folk back in chains, but the fact is they have been chained by the democrat party. Some are waking up to that fact, hopefully the rest will follow.
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
Lack of voter participation in midterm elections is what has brought us the worst Congress in our history. And now we have voters who are threatening to sit-out the Presidential elections as well?
If Trump is elected he will likely be appointing two Supreme Court judges. After that, black voters in many states may lose their right to vote at all. This alone should motivate them to vote for Mrs. Clinton. We must not take for granted the freedoms so many, including Mrs Clinton, have worked so hard for.
This is not a choice between the lesser of two evils, it 's a choice between good and evil.
Lack of voter participation in midterm elections is what has brought us the worst Congress in our history. And now we have voters who are threatening to sit-out the Presidential elections as well?
If Trump is elected he will likely be appointing two Supreme Court judges. After that, black voters in many states may lose their right to vote at all. This alone should motivate them to vote for Mrs. Clinton. We must not take for granted the freedoms so many, including Mrs Clinton, have worked so hard for.
This is not a choice between the lesser of two evils, it 's a choice between good and evil.
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Hillary is as far from good as one can get. Whitewater,Travelgate, Bengazi, email servers, $600k per appearance at Goldman Sachs while espousing that she will reign in Wall Street, the list goes on and on and on.
She is a self centered, pathological liar who will say whatever she thinks will get her what she wants . So while I may grant you that she may be the lesser evil, in no way can she be considered good.
She is a self centered, pathological liar who will say whatever she thinks will get her what she wants . So while I may grant you that she may be the lesser evil, in no way can she be considered good.
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Sounds a lot more like emotion than facts.
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The worst congress in history is brought to you by the new aristocracy: congress. They make rules for themselves that benefit them, but not the rest of us. That is almost aristocracy by definition.
Read what has happened to establishments like that throughout history.
Read what has happened to establishments like that throughout history.
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Young blacks below Upper Middle Class face a grim political future. Dem/Rep will instead zero in on Latinos/Asians.President Clinton will offer up amnesty to undocumented. Republicans will eventually get over their temper tantrum. Small business owning Latinos will be more receptive to a mainstream Republican.
Within a generation the offspring of the undocumented will self identity as white. Meanwhile African-American's will remain at the bottom. Neither political party fighting for their vote.
Within a generation the offspring of the undocumented will self identity as white. Meanwhile African-American's will remain at the bottom. Neither political party fighting for their vote.
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"Neither political party fighting for their vote."
You must not watch a single Fox news show or read any conservative media reports. Is that it?
You must not watch a single Fox news show or read any conservative media reports. Is that it?
@sean
"Meanwhile, African-American's (*sic) will remain at the bottom..."
Sorry. It sounds like you were born in the wrong century.
"Meanwhile, African-American's (*sic) will remain at the bottom..."
Sorry. It sounds like you were born in the wrong century.
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Hillary can no longer blame Bernie for her unpopularity. Nor can she blame Trump. This election may not be won by arguing she's the lesser of two evils.
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Oh please. Don't conflate the two -- Especially when it comes to Sanders and the Black community, with whom he never really connected.
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They should be conflated because they reflect the same tactic of playing victimized. In both cases, Hillary is portrayed as the target of unjust and spiteful persecution (because of her gender, because of her association with Bill, because of meanness of the opposition, etc..)
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@bumba
No offense, Carl -- But I'm speaking about conflation with regards to the Black Vote....That's what this thread is about, remember???
No offense, Carl -- But I'm speaking about conflation with regards to the Black Vote....That's what this thread is about, remember???
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Young People can be angry. There certainly a lot of things to be angry about. But, that's not an excuse to be stupid. Republicans have taken every opportunity to strip people of color of any rights they now possess. If given any more power they will take us back to caveman days.
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I am so glad that the unrequited love for the Clintons in the Black community is not being repeated among young African Americans. The Clintons have done nothing for Black people. Full stop. That Hillary would suddenly leave her triangulating ways behind her and develop a muscular policy stance for the interests of African Americans is laughable.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for empire, war, and corporate money in politics. I would urge young African Americans to hold their nose and vote for her if they live in a battleground state. Anyone else should look at alternatives to the incredibly neoliberal Democratic ticket this year, such Stein/Baraka of the Green Party.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for empire, war, and corporate money in politics. I would urge young African Americans to hold their nose and vote for her if they live in a battleground state. Anyone else should look at alternatives to the incredibly neoliberal Democratic ticket this year, such Stein/Baraka of the Green Party.
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It's great to seethe black community (albeit the non-voting younger generation) taking a step back and engage in critical thinking about who they're casting their vote for. When the vast, vast majority automatically vote for whomever has a D by their name that's not democracy and does no one any good. I'm not saying Republicans are the answer (they seem to most assuradely be not) but the Democrats haven't come through for them either.
If this bizarre election cycle has done anything it's showing that voters from both parties are fed up with the status quo. And yes, Clinton is the very definition of the status quo.
If this bizarre election cycle has done anything it's showing that voters from both parties are fed up with the status quo. And yes, Clinton is the very definition of the status quo.
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Go ahead and elect Trump. You'll set your rights back 50 years. And if you think the police are bad now, wait until you have to face them with a Trump DOJ backing them up. And given Trump's history of housing discrimination with his properties, and the whole birther thing about Obama. Unbelievable that one wouldn't be voting against this guy.
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Maybe this will be the generation that doesn't carry vendettas for decades. At a minimum, this is exactly the kind of hyperbole millennials should be ignoring.
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Hyperbole? Have you not been following this guy's career? It has nothing to do with vendettas, but an awareness of a long history of behavior diametrically opposed to the best interests of minorities.
Hillary Clinton is the luckiest candidate ever to run for President. It has become our moral duty to vote for her to avoid the election of a lying, cheapskate huckster who has gleefully used undisguised race-baiting to win over the George Wallace constituency (white racists across the land, not only those in the South).
So yes, Clinton supporters, I will vote for Hillary. But over the years she has utterly lost my confidence and respect. Above all, I regard her as a moral coward who is unwilling to take strong, principled stands on the key issues she faces (most notably, on the Iraq War).
Please do not say to me that I have been merely tricked by Republican lies. I agree, the Republicans have slandered Hillary Clinton with offensive smear campaigns ever since I can remember (e.g., Vince Foster's suicide, Benghazi, etc.) Their attacks against her are ludicrously off the mark and have made me feel sympathy for her at times.
But Hillary has shown all of us by her own conduct that she is untrustworthy. For example, if a Republican Secretary of State conducted ALL of his government business on a private server while his wife ran a charity that collected tens of millions from foreign donors who had government business that he could influence, and if he had then deleted one-half of his e-mails on his own, we all would have rightly cried foul.
But with hand over nose, I will vote for her, since the other guy is dangerously awful.
So yes, Clinton supporters, I will vote for Hillary. But over the years she has utterly lost my confidence and respect. Above all, I regard her as a moral coward who is unwilling to take strong, principled stands on the key issues she faces (most notably, on the Iraq War).
Please do not say to me that I have been merely tricked by Republican lies. I agree, the Republicans have slandered Hillary Clinton with offensive smear campaigns ever since I can remember (e.g., Vince Foster's suicide, Benghazi, etc.) Their attacks against her are ludicrously off the mark and have made me feel sympathy for her at times.
But Hillary has shown all of us by her own conduct that she is untrustworthy. For example, if a Republican Secretary of State conducted ALL of his government business on a private server while his wife ran a charity that collected tens of millions from foreign donors who had government business that he could influence, and if he had then deleted one-half of his e-mails on his own, we all would have rightly cried foul.
But with hand over nose, I will vote for her, since the other guy is dangerously awful.
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Maybe it's time to dispense with the myth that Hillary is the "better" candidate. She has serious cognitive problems. She cannot remember anything. She is unfit to be CIC.
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@aacny
Oh. And a candidate endorsed by the KKK is???
No. I don't think so.
Oh. And a candidate endorsed by the KKK is???
No. I don't think so.
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N. Smith:
A candidate whose "mentor and friend" is a former KKK member and recruiter (Sen. Robert Byrd) is somehow better?
A candidate whose "mentor and friend" is a former KKK member and recruiter (Sen. Robert Byrd) is somehow better?
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How funny that people protested that tne Times was in the tank for Clinton! The Times has joined the Trump team, I expect, because a national political train wreck would just be so darned interesting. An historic opportunity for Maggie Haberman and Maureen Dowd!
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Hillary will win and win with the black voters who are smart enough to see through Trump. How many black voters voice skepticism?
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And young blacks should be skeptical. My nieces have seen the devastation that the Clintons have pushed on us as "progress" and they aren't stupid. The establishment and the entire industry living off the permanence of the opportunity gap cannot continue. All the racial cat calls about Trump seem strange because in all the years he has been in the public eye, and all the criticisms everyone has had of him, not once, before this year, have I read he is racist.
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Then you don't read enough look at his stand toward the Central Park 5, then you can read about the family history about housing.
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What GOP candidate HASN'T been called a "racist"?
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@ed
Don't fool yourself. Most New Yorkers already what the deal is with Donald Trump -- we've had to put up with him and his showboating for years.
Don't think he's racist?? -- check out the following NYT article by Jonathan Mahler & Steve Eder:
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race
Don't fool yourself. Most New Yorkers already what the deal is with Donald Trump -- we've had to put up with him and his showboating for years.
Don't think he's racist?? -- check out the following NYT article by Jonathan Mahler & Steve Eder:
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race
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Since the 70s, Democrats have exploited black supporters. They have taken the easy road of simply increasing government assistance, doing nothing whatsoever to help those stuck in a never ending oppressive cycle to break from that cycle. They have by such neglect actually encouraged the perpetuation of an underclass. They have taken the black vote for granted ever since the historic developments of the 1960s. They are hypocrites.
Democratic politicians caused the entrenched inequality and perpetual ghettos since the Jim Crow days. Yet, not one recognizes that today nor do they any take the responsibility by trying to find out what really needs to be done in the inner cities to attack core problems which they helped create.
No, they just relieve their consciences by spending money on programs contributing nothing to the elimination of the fundamental social problems, the perpetuation of which they actually encourage by lack of meaningful action.
I fault the Democratic Party far more than I do the Republican Party. At least the Republican Party made no pretense about attempting to obtain the black vote. The Democrats, on the other hand have been conning the black population, particularly the most disadvantaged among them, and have successfully bought their vote.
I don't know what the answer is. I'm not smart enough. But shame on the Democrats for pretending to know the answer and raising the hope of people they then disregard in their pursuit of political office.
Democratic politicians caused the entrenched inequality and perpetual ghettos since the Jim Crow days. Yet, not one recognizes that today nor do they any take the responsibility by trying to find out what really needs to be done in the inner cities to attack core problems which they helped create.
No, they just relieve their consciences by spending money on programs contributing nothing to the elimination of the fundamental social problems, the perpetuation of which they actually encourage by lack of meaningful action.
I fault the Democratic Party far more than I do the Republican Party. At least the Republican Party made no pretense about attempting to obtain the black vote. The Democrats, on the other hand have been conning the black population, particularly the most disadvantaged among them, and have successfully bought their vote.
I don't know what the answer is. I'm not smart enough. But shame on the Democrats for pretending to know the answer and raising the hope of people they then disregard in their pursuit of political office.
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The timing of this article? It's very odd that you are ignoring what the FBI released on Friday. I know that Hillary supporters feel slighted by any front-page articles that say anything unpleasant about HRC, but really-- the laptop with all her correspondence that was lost in the mail? Her aide who smashed a few Blackberries with a hammer, and the 39 questions she couldn't answer because she forgot? How about some investigative reporting, with a timeline of when those government records were destroyed? How about comparing her negligent handling of sensitive material with the known convictions of low-level government employees? We said it before Philadelphia with more conviction, but maybe there is still time to nominate a candidate who garnered enough support in '16 to actually defeat Donald Trump.
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The democrats excel in only two thing. Putting populations in poverty, and keeping populations in poverty.
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@bally
So, I guess that means you've never heard of the recent attempt of several Republican Senators from mainly southern states who are trying to secretly repeal the Voting Rights Act -- that's one sure way to keep people from voting for change.
So, I guess that means you've never heard of the recent attempt of several Republican Senators from mainly southern states who are trying to secretly repeal the Voting Rights Act -- that's one sure way to keep people from voting for change.
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And so it took so long to come to this. No choice.As Mr Tennyson said, 'Where shall I hide my forehead and my eyes'. He was talking of the end times of Camelot before being placed on a barge and disappearing into the light. Was he talking for us all, we in far away places who are part of Camelot and fear that indeed 'the good old times are gone'? Or perhaps his visionary epic poem saw a new future, indeed a new Camelot as "God fulfils Himself in many ways lest one good custom should corrupt the world." Wherever I go, be it local pub, local store or visiting friends, as never before the talk is America and the election. Trump versus Clinton. What if with either as President of the great USA? How will this election affect us all in the Greater Camelot?
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Hillary Clinton will,certainly, be elected president. Not because voters trust or feel inspired by her leadership. But because her opponent is Donald Trump.
The double loser in this election is the Republican Party. They will be losing the presidency and, perhaps, control of both houses of Congress.
The double loser in this election is the Republican Party. They will be losing the presidency and, perhaps, control of both houses of Congress.
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"God bless the child that's got his own."
Trump or Clinton? These are the chump-change choices for America 2016?! You see them both getting down with their billionaire homies in the Hamptons and you know that neither will ever do jack for anyone that's not already got his own.
Trump or Clinton? These are the chump-change choices for America 2016?! You see them both getting down with their billionaire homies in the Hamptons and you know that neither will ever do jack for anyone that's not already got his own.
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@vish
Have you any idea at all of how much it costs to run a campaign???
And as for "getting down with their billionaire homies" -- this is also nothing new.
Any cursory glance inside an American History book will verify the relation between the well-to-do, and politics in this country since Day 1 ... take a look.
Have you any idea at all of how much it costs to run a campaign???
And as for "getting down with their billionaire homies" -- this is also nothing new.
Any cursory glance inside an American History book will verify the relation between the well-to-do, and politics in this country since Day 1 ... take a look.
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The real question: Are Black Americans better off?
No.
No.
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The question is not whether we like HRC better but whether we feel that it will be more possible and potentially productive to work with her and get things passed with her in office than with the alternative. It so happens that the alternative is a buffoon (at best) but even if one of the "serious" republican candidates were nominated the fact is that they would make it impossible to progress even an inch in certain key areas affecting education, jobs, social security and very crucially, the environment.
I am very critical of HRC and all of us should be - but let us not forget that we are highly critical of her precisely because we expect more from her. Let us elect someone whom we can hope to hold to a higher standard, even if she fails to meet it much of the time. I plan to vote for her and I am sure I will be out protesting or writing articles that are critical of many things she says and does - as will many people in the progressive movements. In so doing, we will be engaging in political activism on deep and substantial issues, raising the standard of public dialogue on social and environmental policy. Rather than trying to convince legislators that climate change is real, we can try to convince them on specific measures to mitigate it and facilitate clean energy alternatives. Rather than fighting for the right to assert that Black Lives Matter, we can fight for specific measures towards social and racial justice.
I am very critical of HRC and all of us should be - but let us not forget that we are highly critical of her precisely because we expect more from her. Let us elect someone whom we can hope to hold to a higher standard, even if she fails to meet it much of the time. I plan to vote for her and I am sure I will be out protesting or writing articles that are critical of many things she says and does - as will many people in the progressive movements. In so doing, we will be engaging in political activism on deep and substantial issues, raising the standard of public dialogue on social and environmental policy. Rather than trying to convince legislators that climate change is real, we can try to convince them on specific measures to mitigate it and facilitate clean energy alternatives. Rather than fighting for the right to assert that Black Lives Matter, we can fight for specific measures towards social and racial justice.
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I will be voting for Clinton as the only logical choice for the good of the nation.
The old saying; " The lesser of two evils" is juvenile and lacks intelligence.
All people are imperfect creatures and to expect perfection is illogical coming from your own imperfect being.
Hillary is not perfect, but Trump is appalling.
I will be rooting for Hillary but expect Trump to win because he is the Television Man.
The old saying; " The lesser of two evils" is juvenile and lacks intelligence.
All people are imperfect creatures and to expect perfection is illogical coming from your own imperfect being.
Hillary is not perfect, but Trump is appalling.
I will be rooting for Hillary but expect Trump to win because he is the Television Man.
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Truly, truly, after what Donald Trump did to President Obama, feeding the whole "birther" thing, and a black American could seriously consider voting for Trump? I swear, Americans really are more clueless than one could ever imagine.
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I was there in the 70s, 80s 90s so take it from people who know, not the Republican propaganda machine. We ask for help with crime in our neighborhoods, just like now. Crime was rampant. Bill Clinton, not Hilary, did what we asked. Regarding jobs; yes we need jobs but how quickly we forget the Republicans running the economy in the ground, loosing 800,000 jobs per month. President Obama brought us back. Hilary has her job plan on her website. Read before you speak. On racism; here is a man with a campaign manager that is a white supremacist. A man that would not let you rent his apartments until the courts made him. And a man that hasn't looked toward the African-American community until he realize he was loosing. So for young people that don't know, please research the facts before you draw conclusions. Donald Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Even Bernie knows he's a con man.
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I have never encountered so many people who believe that the words "racist" and "fascist" constitute some sort of intelligent critique. C'mon: you style yourselves the more intelligent, thoughtful party. You're convincing no one who is not already in your choir.
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I'm sorry, are you saying that the words racist and fascist do not describe Trump?
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I thought my meaning was crystal clear. Those terms are a slovenly excuse for serious thinking. Next.
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@dude
I'd venture a guess that most Black people know what a racist is, and what it describes.
End of story.
I'd venture a guess that most Black people know what a racist is, and what it describes.
End of story.
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The tragedy of a child is raised in a poor neighborhood where their neighbors are gang members and their mother is the only source of hope... they have to look at how this happened. How were they allowed to not attend school for much of the year...how they often had to join a gang to be safe. How could our President allow his own city...Chicago...be the murder capital of the US? With all his power why has he not intervened?
You can't blame the young African-Americans for not trusting a Clinton...when they had eight year in the White House and did not help them/save them.
Yes, Black lives matter....unless the black on black crime is addressed and the parents given strong support nothing will change for these youngsters.
Those who have risen out of their terrible circumstances through education have no reason to trust a Clinton.
You can't blame the young African-Americans for not trusting a Clinton...when they had eight year in the White House and did not help them/save them.
Yes, Black lives matter....unless the black on black crime is addressed and the parents given strong support nothing will change for these youngsters.
Those who have risen out of their terrible circumstances through education have no reason to trust a Clinton.
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Chicago is the pride of democrats. It's the dim lit city at the bottom of a flood plain.
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The "same 'ol, same 'ol, can be panned by everyone--literally everyone. The problem is that the alternative is simply worse. I think we could use a Bernie Political Revolution.
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So what are these "young blacks" going to do? Vote for Trump !?!
Stein.
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Hopefully, it would be in their best interest and the best interest of the country.
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It's vote for Trump or vote to keep themselves in poverty.
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Aside from the over-reliance on a focus-group report, this article misses the mark widely by failing to note that HRC has earned the endorsement of the Mothers of the Movement. The NY Times political coverage has been abysmal this season on a number of fronts, and this article is no exception.
Follow Propane Jane, @docrocktex26 on Twitter, for a much more informed viewpoint on Black voters' support of the Clinton-Kaine ticket.
Follow Propane Jane, @docrocktex26 on Twitter, for a much more informed viewpoint on Black voters' support of the Clinton-Kaine ticket.
On a purely human level, one must admire her courage on the stump when one is sure her doctor advises her to stay home and gets lots of bed rest. The latest coughing fits make her audience worried for her. And the enduring smile, now that's brave.
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Liberals only notice black people every four years. this neatly fits Einstein's definition of insanity. Conversely, when will black people make democrats work for their vote?
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The Democratic Party's solution to everyone's problems is 'yeah, but Trump!" so, this way they don't have to offer any real solutions at all. The "democratic" process in this country is now a joke and has become infantile. How about the Dems tell us why millions of people want to vote for a Trump? Do they share any of the blame? Problem is the young people are smarter than these older generations so the politicians can't fool them as easily.
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Come back here in 40 or 50 years and tell us smart you were back in the old days (wink).
Sure! Maybe after I apologize to the younger generation for letting the planet melt.
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Not to worry. Trump, the Republican Denier, will fix climate change by rejecting it; after all, it's a hoax. Stupid Dems have been ignoring it and conning all the smart young to boot -- it's Obama's fault. He failed to stop Inhofe from taking that snowball to Congress.
Count me with them. Sick to tears of always having to choose between the lesser of two evils. Never going to do that again; I'll vote my conscience and if neither of the two parties can put forth a worthy candidate, I'll take my vote elsewhere.
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If we don't vote, this clown could be pres
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z91irzTW2xQ/maxresdefault.jpg
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We don't want the other clown (Hillary) either.
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Certain factions in the left have held us (leftists) hostage through this emotional (and sometimes financial) blackmail and extortion which states if every grievance they have isn't being addressed 24/7 and at the forefront of every conversation then they will act in opposition. Kind of like "if I'm not happy, neither will you be". But the fact is, it seems nothing but 100% 24/7 pandering and asking "how high" when they say "jump!" will be enough to make them happy. Even that wouldn't.
It is sad that these leftists have encouraged this self-defeatism among blacks too. It serves no ones best interest except the extreme leftist establishment. It is a power play on their part and the expense of most of this country, including those they claim to be acting in solidarity with: the poor, minorities, women, gays, and immigrants.
It is sad that these leftists have encouraged this self-defeatism among blacks too. It serves no ones best interest except the extreme leftist establishment. It is a power play on their part and the expense of most of this country, including those they claim to be acting in solidarity with: the poor, minorities, women, gays, and immigrants.
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The sad truth is, black Americans are much worse off today after nearly 8 years of our country's first black president...the hope of generations has been dashed by the harsh reality that the money-grubbing power-hungry establishment politicians (the 1%), no matter their skin color, don't really care about regular Americans (the 99%). Like all rich "limousine-liberal" Democrats, Hillary Clinton pretends to care about the needs of black Americans in order to get their votes, then turns her back on them once she gets elected. History has proven that big government is not the solution, it is the problem; Democrat policies have enslaved many Americans, especially blacks, on the plantation of big-government dependency. All Americans will do much better when they are freed from the chains of Hillary Clinton's Democrat deception.
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Really are they, do you know any?
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Far Left White ideologies dominate the ivory towers of college campuses, which are disconnected from the reality that the overwhelming majority of Americans live in. Sadly, far too many young Black and Brown students have been infected by the anti-Clinton and anti-Democratic Party propaganda that pervades these environments and largely originates from rightwing sources. These young folk, however, are too blindly idealistic to see how they've been preyed upon by political predators whose intent is to disillusion and discourage as many of them as possible from voting Democrat so that Trump and Republicans win.
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I give it ten years, and the majority 'black vote' will NOT be voting Democrat. You may find this hard to believe, but watch... big change comes with small steps and small indicators, watch the small indicators. All is changing (for the better), not everyone has realized it yet.
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Young blacks have gotten smart. They are coming off the Democrat Plantation because they see they are nothing more than slaves to be used for a vote and shoved back down in the ghetto until needed again. Obama has had the reins for 8 years and blacks are twice as bad off today than 8 years ago. More poverty, more crime, less opportunity and no future. Voting for Hillary is a vote to keep it that way. And now they see themselves being shoved aside for the illegals and refugees being brought in so they won't be needed any longer. They are right to stay home.
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Tne Trump people have become experts at getting the first comment with the Vile Message of the Day, this time that black voters should stay home on Election Day. What next? A coveted green check mark for "John Miller"?
One can usually discern when the comments section is about to close, any opposition to the Times chosen candidate gets fed in at the end if opposition comments are published at all.
Continue to drink the Kool-aid.
JillStein2016
Continue to drink the Kool-aid.
JillStein2016
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Another ridiculous story about Hillary Clinton. I'm sure there are some young (and even older) African-American voters who aren't supporting Clinton, but the number is small according to polls. Trump scores between 0 and 8% of Black voters in recent polls. His "outreach" to Black voters is a joke. He looked downright frightened and out of place in the Black church, and his remarks, obviously written and vetted by others, were unbelievable coming from him. It reminded me of the time Bill O'Reilly had dinner with Rev. Sharpton at Sylvia's Restaurant in Harlem a few years back. O'Reilly spoke about it on his show, saying he "had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful. I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship." "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all." Bill and Don the Con have a lot in common.
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"The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. Long before Trump started in, Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it....Penn also suggested how the campaign might take advantage of this. “Every speech should contain the line that you were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century,” he advised Clinton. “And talk about the basic bargain as about [sic] the deeply American values you grew up with, learned as a child, and that drive you today.” He went on: “Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t … Let’s add flag symbols to the backgrounds [of campaign events].”
Bloomberg Business Week, May 12, 2012
Bloomberg Business Week, May 12, 2012
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I believe that having a woman in the White House would be a catalyst for racial equality, too. The more women rise up, the more we are all encouraged to rise up in the workplace and in society.
I believe we are at a TIPPING POINT. We can go: forward not backward, as Obama said in his last campaign. Clinton has to forcefully and dramatically explain that she is driving the movement, not simply as a boring "policy wonk".
I suggest that she use repeated gestures. She can make the sign of a "W" for woman, by bringing both hands together with "V" signs, for example.
One step for (W)oman. One giant leap for (H)umankind.
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I believe we are at a TIPPING POINT. We can go: forward not backward, as Obama said in his last campaign. Clinton has to forcefully and dramatically explain that she is driving the movement, not simply as a boring "policy wonk".
I suggest that she use repeated gestures. She can make the sign of a "W" for woman, by bringing both hands together with "V" signs, for example.
One step for (W)oman. One giant leap for (H)umankind.
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Clinton has to out trump Trump with dramatic gestures and slogans, not endless policy talking points. The more she rambles on and on about details, the more voters she may be losing.
Increasing the minimum wage is a huge step, but it needs to be pushed with instant sound bites and gestures...
Hillary Clinton, please wake up the voters!
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Increasing the minimum wage is a huge step, but it needs to be pushed with instant sound bites and gestures...
Hillary Clinton, please wake up the voters!
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"I am enabler, hear me meow".
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Trump is going to lose this election whether or not liberals of good ethics refuse to vote for the hack Clinton. So after it's over, you can be part of the problem, having supported her, or you can have your conscience intact.
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Every presidential election in which I've voted has come down to the "lesser of two evils."
I've had to wear the proverbial "clothespin on my nose" every time I voted -- including for Obama, who I thought was an "empty suit" who was as spineless as Bill Clinton and only good at making speeches (but has turned out, especially in his second term, to be much better than expected).
I've also complained (all through the Bill Clinton years), that there's precious little difference between the two parties; that both are "bought & paid for" by multinational corporations.
But then the Republicans went insane. So now we have a huge difference. It may be the difference between "corporate lapdog" & "foaming-at-the-mouth reactionary who wants to take this country back to the 1900s, when straight white men ruled über alles & without question," but that's still a huge difference.
Ironically, if you look at Hillary's distant past, to the person she was before she started all her political compromising, deals with the devil & "triangulations," she was an ardent pro-Civil Rights liberal. I suspect she still a closet liberal, & the wild popularity of Bernie Sanders has taught her that maybe she can finally peek her head out from between the coats & jackets on their hangers.
Hillary Clinton is far from perfect. But if you DON'T vote for the "lesser of two evils," you're throwing your vote away AND paving the way for the triumph of the greater evil.
I've had to wear the proverbial "clothespin on my nose" every time I voted -- including for Obama, who I thought was an "empty suit" who was as spineless as Bill Clinton and only good at making speeches (but has turned out, especially in his second term, to be much better than expected).
I've also complained (all through the Bill Clinton years), that there's precious little difference between the two parties; that both are "bought & paid for" by multinational corporations.
But then the Republicans went insane. So now we have a huge difference. It may be the difference between "corporate lapdog" & "foaming-at-the-mouth reactionary who wants to take this country back to the 1900s, when straight white men ruled über alles & without question," but that's still a huge difference.
Ironically, if you look at Hillary's distant past, to the person she was before she started all her political compromising, deals with the devil & "triangulations," she was an ardent pro-Civil Rights liberal. I suspect she still a closet liberal, & the wild popularity of Bernie Sanders has taught her that maybe she can finally peek her head out from between the coats & jackets on their hangers.
Hillary Clinton is far from perfect. But if you DON'T vote for the "lesser of two evils," you're throwing your vote away AND paving the way for the triumph of the greater evil.
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The Supreme Court! The Supreme Court! The Supreme Court! Snap out of it!
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Hillary and the Clintons are all about money and power. Nothing Hillary says is truthful based on her past and if I was Black, White, or any other color I would not trust her or the Democrats. She is part of the elites of DC and they want to keep the status quo and that means everyone lower then the 1% will suffer more. Her pay to play as Secretary of State show she is unfit to be in public office.
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These young Black millennials are very different from the generation of African Americans that grew up with the civil rights movement. Unlike their parents who may have grown up in a household where someone connected to the injustices of segregation or Jim crow actually lived with them and could provide them with a historical context in reference to the struggle for civil rights i.e.(how much the situation has improved for Black Americans). They reside in an America where a Black man is the President right now and they have very different demands and expectations for themselves and for the future. From this perspective Hillary Clinton does not appear to have much to offer. And by the way neither has she offered them very much. HRC has done little to connect with Black millennials and she seems to be treating them as though she has a birthright entitlement to their vote. They don't see it that way unfortunately for her and she needs to get busy knowing these young Black voters and earning their respect and support. Otherwise she will probably lose this election. At least Donald Trump asked Black Americans to consider voting for him. Hillary Clinton must ask as well and not take these voters for granted.
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Well said.
@marian
Sorry. I see no valour in Donald Trump maligning African-Americans practically ALL of his life, and then suddenly asking Black people to like him, and give him their vote.
Meanwhile, Clinton has worked a large part of her life for the under-represented, and the under-privileged -- You do remember Marian Wright Edelman of the early Civil Rights movement?, right??
So what? -- she hasn't had time to coddle millenials who seem to exude the right to be entitled, anyway.
This country is facing the possibility of having a card-carrying racist in the White House.
First priority? -- Keep him OUT.
Sorry. I see no valour in Donald Trump maligning African-Americans practically ALL of his life, and then suddenly asking Black people to like him, and give him their vote.
Meanwhile, Clinton has worked a large part of her life for the under-represented, and the under-privileged -- You do remember Marian Wright Edelman of the early Civil Rights movement?, right??
So what? -- she hasn't had time to coddle millenials who seem to exude the right to be entitled, anyway.
This country is facing the possibility of having a card-carrying racist in the White House.
First priority? -- Keep him OUT.
They're right to be skeptical and right to demand something in exchange for their vote rather than a few symbolic crumbs tossed their way.
Fellow Democrats, if you don't like this, blame a generation of Democratic leaders who have done nothing for criminal justice reform over decades and who have actually contributed to the problem.
The ask here from them isn't really that great: they want a fair system of criminal justice that isn't targeting them and they want a system that punishes police wrongdoing and stops using criminal laws and traffic fines as a revenue stream or source of private profit. Reasonable if you ask me. This should be common-sense stuff in a society that holds itself out as both just and color-blind. I honestly can't think of a good reason to be against it.
Fellow Democrats, if you don't like this, blame a generation of Democratic leaders who have done nothing for criminal justice reform over decades and who have actually contributed to the problem.
The ask here from them isn't really that great: they want a fair system of criminal justice that isn't targeting them and they want a system that punishes police wrongdoing and stops using criminal laws and traffic fines as a revenue stream or source of private profit. Reasonable if you ask me. This should be common-sense stuff in a society that holds itself out as both just and color-blind. I honestly can't think of a good reason to be against it.
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The young among us are correct in being skeptical of a White House occupied by Clinton's again after the advent of the American Police-State.
Don Trump has insinuated that he might resort to martial law during his nomination acceptance speech, by innuendo in a pause noting that he will bring back law and order. How much more is needed? Actually less and that is why I would never vote for Trump and neither would young people.
So who do you choose? Unfortunately, the question means many young will not vote as the Democrats are rightly expecting. I guess they should have thought about that back in the Nineties.
It's the politicians.............and us.
Don Trump has insinuated that he might resort to martial law during his nomination acceptance speech, by innuendo in a pause noting that he will bring back law and order. How much more is needed? Actually less and that is why I would never vote for Trump and neither would young people.
So who do you choose? Unfortunately, the question means many young will not vote as the Democrats are rightly expecting. I guess they should have thought about that back in the Nineties.
It's the politicians.............and us.
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For the political editors and reporters of the New York Times, there are so many "clouds" over the Clinton campaign that it is entirely possible they will help create the colossal mistake of electing a complete jerk as President. Every little hesitation is reported as a shift, every doubt becomes a gathering storm, every weakness is a new vulnerability, every mistake is catastrophic, and every new day, "questions are raised" about Hillary, her campaign, her views, her honesty.
Meantime, Trump's traveling show is always orange-tinted sunshine and "greatness." He is getting away with murder, right in front of us, and the Times, as reportedly the best newspaper on the planet, is openly cheering for Trump for no other reason than he's interesting and, thus, great copy.
Pathetic.
Meantime, Trump's traveling show is always orange-tinted sunshine and "greatness." He is getting away with murder, right in front of us, and the Times, as reportedly the best newspaper on the planet, is openly cheering for Trump for no other reason than he's interesting and, thus, great copy.
Pathetic.
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Let me get this straight: young blacks don't know her stance on issues she's been talking about since the beginning of her campaign and aren't supporting her, a white woman, as energetically as they did Obama, the first black President.
Well, one is the fault of the media -- if they'd drop their myopic focus on every little bit of stupid that falls from that man's mouth and offer objective reports on what Hillary's actually doing rather than subjective hit pieces (looking at you, Chozick) about hobnobbing with rich folks, maybe young blacks would actually KNOW what she's been talking about -- and the other is the fault of her being what she is: an older white female. To expect her to get the high numbers from young blacks that Obama got is a little unrealistic.
But, hey, I get it. The race is kinda boring now, so it's the media's job -- I guess? -- to spice it up with sky-is-falling pieces that inject drama where there is none. Some young blacks will support her, some won't and, at the end of the day, she'll still trounce Trump in the General, so...
As you were.
Well, one is the fault of the media -- if they'd drop their myopic focus on every little bit of stupid that falls from that man's mouth and offer objective reports on what Hillary's actually doing rather than subjective hit pieces (looking at you, Chozick) about hobnobbing with rich folks, maybe young blacks would actually KNOW what she's been talking about -- and the other is the fault of her being what she is: an older white female. To expect her to get the high numbers from young blacks that Obama got is a little unrealistic.
But, hey, I get it. The race is kinda boring now, so it's the media's job -- I guess? -- to spice it up with sky-is-falling pieces that inject drama where there is none. Some young blacks will support her, some won't and, at the end of the day, she'll still trounce Trump in the General, so...
As you were.
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"Trounce?"
Well, then what are you and your fellows so worked up about? Just email HRC your suggestions for which bust (har!) she should put in the Oval Office and take the fall off. You can tell 'em I said it's OK.
Well, then what are you and your fellows so worked up about? Just email HRC your suggestions for which bust (har!) she should put in the Oval Office and take the fall off. You can tell 'em I said it's OK.
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This is what happens when there are only two parties
and you feel like you have not been invited either of them
and you feel like you have not been invited either of them
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Hillary continues to run her "he is worse than me" campaign well past its sell-by date. If only she could muster the will to honestly answer the still unasked question: "How much money is enough for you?"she might earn more votes.
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Huh. We told Clintonites this would happen, and NOT just among white young voters. Kids are smarter, more educated - and they see things clearly. Problem is they see Clinton as just as bad as Trump. Does it matter that she is incrementally better?
The DNC has no one to blame but themselves. By blocking Sanders at every turn they said loud and clear that they are NOT interested in our opinions. I've been told many times by Clinton supporters to 'shut up and get in line' in response to valid complaints about the candidate, her past and her current positions.
Clinton will still win this in a walk, but she does it without the energy, the enthusiasm and support of a large number of Sanders supporters. The DNC, of course loses their support forever. Could we be seeing the beginning of the death of not one, but both major parties? Could the Greens and Libertarians replace them?
The DNC has no one to blame but themselves. By blocking Sanders at every turn they said loud and clear that they are NOT interested in our opinions. I've been told many times by Clinton supporters to 'shut up and get in line' in response to valid complaints about the candidate, her past and her current positions.
Clinton will still win this in a walk, but she does it without the energy, the enthusiasm and support of a large number of Sanders supporters. The DNC, of course loses their support forever. Could we be seeing the beginning of the death of not one, but both major parties? Could the Greens and Libertarians replace them?
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I'm not sure Hillary will win anymore. Trump.has caught up to her and Trump has way higher turnout than Hillary.
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The young people are right and wrong. They are right to be skeptcal about Clinton. But her alternate is worse than their worst nightmare.This should be very relevant to these young people who will be affected the most. This election is too bizarre. They can be skeptical but they have only one choice.
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I have few credentials to say anything. My Civil Rights Movement days with John Lewis and Diane Nash are distant memories, my battle for reparations in hopes the white Protestant establishment churches would respond are so faded that not even my alma mater Union Theological Seminary here in NYC bothered even to include that chapter in its most recent foray into that territory. Bridges burned. I do not live in the past. I life for now. I happen to think Hillary Clinton might well be the finest president in our history. Presidents are made by the problems they encounter and their capacities for pulling rabbits out of hats and the experience they bring to the battlefields of politics. Hillary Clinton is the genuine article and the sad spectacle of our media seeking to create equivalancy between her and the Big Lie Marketing Master that Mitt Romney, in a candid moment, called a Con Artist, is a tribute to the continuing power of simplistic binary approaches to reality. Voting for any but Hillary to me is beneath whatever blank you want fill this sentence out with.
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Hillary? A genuine article? Please. She and her husband locked up more black people than Reagan and NAFTA is a primary reason inner cities are hellholes now. Now she wants TPP to make it even worse. We had a genuine article - Bernie Sanders. The DNC election frauded him to death. I'll be voting for another genuine article: Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka. If Trump wins that's in the DNC for colluding and frauding to push a corrupt stinker like Crooked Hillary.
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I happen to know that when Hillary schmoozes with the ultra-rich at countless galas, the foremost topic is how they can all pitch and and address the plight of young blacks.
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And Trump?
Which camp has a heart?
Ask Trump University students (if you can call them that - victims is more accurate) if Trump considered them when deliberately plotting to defraud them.
He's the one who will be "locked up" after his trials for that crime.
Which camp has a heart?
Ask Trump University students (if you can call them that - victims is more accurate) if Trump considered them when deliberately plotting to defraud them.
He's the one who will be "locked up" after his trials for that crime.
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Hillary Clinton won't release transcripts of any of her talks for lucrative fees to Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street firms because none of her talks there were about what she would do as President for blacks, Latinos, women, college students, and the poor. She talked only about how her Presidency would protect the interests of her wealthy donors to the Clinton Campaign, as well as to the Clinton Foundation. And she has refused to hold press conferences until after the election. Is that so she won't have to tell us why?
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@Paul King - As opposed to Clinton Foundation and the Laureate College scam?
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"Inertia in the scales of history weighs more heavily than change." - Barbara Tuchman
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Anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty and "arm's-length critical thinking ability" should be able to see through what's going on here in "Donald Trump vs. the mainstream media, pop-culture and traditional/establishment Republicans"!
We've all heard it time and time again..."You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t", and that's precisely the situation that DT is in right now. Just a few short days ago the media and pundits were complaining about DT espousing his message about helping African Americans in front of mostly "white" audiences! And now, after he tries to bring his message directly to African Americans in those areas most effected, he's lambasted from all sides.
A Trump Administration would not be an immediate "cure" to more than fifty years of Democratic rule in our blighted, impoverished, neglected & crime-ridden inner cities...inhabited mostly by African American. It will take a gradual and cooperative change in attitude in both government AND those who live in those areas. But by its mere occurrence, a change over to Trump would be a gigantic step in he right direction.
(1) A "hand up"...which ANYONE can accept with dignity...rather than the usual, perpetual and expected "hand-out" from Democrats over the last 50 years, (2) DIGNITY & PRIDE over resentment & bitterness, and (3) Personal achievement over the perpetuation of anger, victimization and dependency.
You know what the alternative is...just more of the same.
We've all heard it time and time again..."You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t", and that's precisely the situation that DT is in right now. Just a few short days ago the media and pundits were complaining about DT espousing his message about helping African Americans in front of mostly "white" audiences! And now, after he tries to bring his message directly to African Americans in those areas most effected, he's lambasted from all sides.
A Trump Administration would not be an immediate "cure" to more than fifty years of Democratic rule in our blighted, impoverished, neglected & crime-ridden inner cities...inhabited mostly by African American. It will take a gradual and cooperative change in attitude in both government AND those who live in those areas. But by its mere occurrence, a change over to Trump would be a gigantic step in he right direction.
(1) A "hand up"...which ANYONE can accept with dignity...rather than the usual, perpetual and expected "hand-out" from Democrats over the last 50 years, (2) DIGNITY & PRIDE over resentment & bitterness, and (3) Personal achievement over the perpetuation of anger, victimization and dependency.
You know what the alternative is...just more of the same.
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The mid-nineties Clinton years are now twenty years ago.
Stop blaming Hillary for Bill's presidency's errors, and even her own political remarks back then.
People evolve, as in Obama and others on same sex marriage, etc.
If you can' stand Trump, thank heavens, vote for Clinton and work with her for the change we all now see is necessary. Support her policies. Read them first!
Stop blaming Hillary for Bill's presidency's errors, and even her own political remarks back then.
People evolve, as in Obama and others on same sex marriage, etc.
If you can' stand Trump, thank heavens, vote for Clinton and work with her for the change we all now see is necessary. Support her policies. Read them first!
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The reality is that we only have two choices. If you care about our country, vote for Clinton, and once she's elected, keep the pressure on her administration to enact progressive legislation. And just as importantly, get involved at the local level of government where legislative decisions impact your everyday life.
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The real reality is that we only have one choice. If you care about our country, vote for anyone other than Clinton and Trump. They are not worthy and their respective political parties are corrupt and rotten to the core. Change now.
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This important article is what the op ed columnists should be taking note of and discussing, instead of same old Trump trash junk, and Hillary is A-OK, no matter how the rw attacks her. So easy to bash the worst candidate ever. Readers need a wider range of commentary, and this article on black skepticism of Clinton is a good topic. Let's see if they pick up on it or ignore it.
But what's interesting is how the Blacks and also liberals have been taken for granted by the Dems. Where can they go? Both parties are tethered to big money. Let's see if Pres Clinton follows through and pushes hard to reverse Citizens United. That would be an historic president, unblocking our politics to make badly needed change.
The under 40s, black and white have higher standards than some of the older generation who over the years, with the rightward turn of our politics, have been conditioned to accept quite unresponsive leaders and lawmakers. Dems have long been lesser of 2 evils.
But what's interesting is how the Blacks and also liberals have been taken for granted by the Dems. Where can they go? Both parties are tethered to big money. Let's see if Pres Clinton follows through and pushes hard to reverse Citizens United. That would be an historic president, unblocking our politics to make badly needed change.
The under 40s, black and white have higher standards than some of the older generation who over the years, with the rightward turn of our politics, have been conditioned to accept quite unresponsive leaders and lawmakers. Dems have long been lesser of 2 evils.
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Do you even understand he dripping irony in your statement. No wonder you vote for free and easy.
So, let's say some of the things they say about Clinton are basically true (although I don't believe that.) WHO ELSE are you going to vote for? Donald Trump? You can't be that foolish. Libertarians or Greens? They have no experience, and not enough support. Are you just going to stay home and mope? Or are you going to take some personal responsibility, look at the facts, and realize that Clinton is the only choice, in 2016. Maybe you can find someone you like better in 2020. But, RIGHT NOW? It can only be Hillary Clinton. Don't be selfish idiots.
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Many many have doubts about her, and many of her "supporters" are anti-Trump votes. A lot to worry about. Let's hope an independent candidate with credibility comes along to save us.
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The presumed Empress of the USA Hillary Clinton wears nothing in her campaign that covers her history of duplicity and lies to African Americans. And the candid eyes of innocent African American youth see through the unfiltered Clinton spin of unfulfilled patronage promises to the old and weary black voters disappointed by voting for Bill Clinton twice. Two unfulfilled Democratic administrations and the promises of a 3rd to fulfill the same broken promises is the definition of political insanity. Lest we forget, it was Hillary, not Trump, or the other Presidentital candidates, who tried to prevent the election of the first African American President by challenging his candidacy in the Democratic primaries. What promise and to whom was she trying to deliver by doing that?
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As a Black Gen Xer, their are several problems I see with most millennials.
They weren't here when her husband was President. Though policies he (not she) created hurt our community, at the time the were lauded by everybody. The crack wars were raging. Much of the major cities in America during the 90's resembled Chicago.
They have not done your homework. Because they didn't research his term you would understand why she works the way she does. What they did to Obama was just a small taste of what they did to the Clinton's. She was excoriated for being just as educated as he was. They accused them of murdering people they worked with. It was insane. But they fall for old meme's about her because their still salty that Bernie lost.
Idealism is great when your young. The reality is nothing gets done without compromise. And though I applaud their desire to demand better (as we all should) too many seem to not understand that to be a politician means you serve many interests.
Yes, Black folks need to appreciated as the voting block they are. But every person running for this job is a politician. Even Saint Bernie. You are never going to get everything you want. Obama taught me that.
To expect otherwise is to set yourself up for anger and apathy. Progress is necessary but its also very slow. This is why it took generations for things to change in this country for us.
Accepting this is called understanding how the world works around you, not only for you.
They weren't here when her husband was President. Though policies he (not she) created hurt our community, at the time the were lauded by everybody. The crack wars were raging. Much of the major cities in America during the 90's resembled Chicago.
They have not done your homework. Because they didn't research his term you would understand why she works the way she does. What they did to Obama was just a small taste of what they did to the Clinton's. She was excoriated for being just as educated as he was. They accused them of murdering people they worked with. It was insane. But they fall for old meme's about her because their still salty that Bernie lost.
Idealism is great when your young. The reality is nothing gets done without compromise. And though I applaud their desire to demand better (as we all should) too many seem to not understand that to be a politician means you serve many interests.
Yes, Black folks need to appreciated as the voting block they are. But every person running for this job is a politician. Even Saint Bernie. You are never going to get everything you want. Obama taught me that.
To expect otherwise is to set yourself up for anger and apathy. Progress is necessary but its also very slow. This is why it took generations for things to change in this country for us.
Accepting this is called understanding how the world works around you, not only for you.
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Commenters who disparage young black voters for doing their own thorough vetting of our candidates need to get a grip and read the article more carefully. What I got from the article is that these voters want Clinton to be honest and work to EARN their vote by advocating for issues that are important to them. They are concerned that their votes are being taken for granted.
This article is particularly poignant on the heels of the revealing story in the NYT of Clinton cavorting with the ultra rich through the vacation season, selling access to the highest bidder. If Clinton wants to represent all Americans, she needs to act like it!
This article is particularly poignant on the heels of the revealing story in the NYT of Clinton cavorting with the ultra rich through the vacation season, selling access to the highest bidder. If Clinton wants to represent all Americans, she needs to act like it!
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If they're skeptical of Hillary, what could they possibly think of Trump?
Do these same "young blacks" know what a "birther" is? And what that means?
Trump is a racist. No "skepticism" there.
Do these same "young blacks" know what a "birther" is? And what that means?
Trump is a racist. No "skepticism" there.
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Well, funny thing. Trump's "insulting description of black American life"--to summarize the enraged response to his recent speeches--sounds awfully like what happens in Chicago every weekend. Someone remind me--what's the total dead and maimed? Can't keep up with the figures...
...in Chicago where rabid-dog Rahm--that Clinton loyalist--is--uh--enjoying his second term.
Yes--of course America has many successful black people, from middle-class to wealthy. But let's take a tour of every urban area where the lives of many, many blacks are in constant peril from gangs, rotten housing stock and the deadening effect of lousy schools. Many of those cities have been in Democratic control for decade after decade.
Why should any young, intelligent black person be in any way attracted to Hillary? Loathing Trump doesn't mean they should fling themselves upon Hillary's bosom and declare their misty-eyed loyalty.
Long past time we had actual viable third and fourth parties in this country. Voting for Hillary won't get us there.
And for all of you trying to tell me, and many others, that Trump is--much less will bring--the Apocalypse--Hillary brought the Apocalypse to Libya, and would continue it in Syria, and helped to bring it to Iraq. You can't scare me with a lunatic when that's what the smart people brought us.
...in Chicago where rabid-dog Rahm--that Clinton loyalist--is--uh--enjoying his second term.
Yes--of course America has many successful black people, from middle-class to wealthy. But let's take a tour of every urban area where the lives of many, many blacks are in constant peril from gangs, rotten housing stock and the deadening effect of lousy schools. Many of those cities have been in Democratic control for decade after decade.
Why should any young, intelligent black person be in any way attracted to Hillary? Loathing Trump doesn't mean they should fling themselves upon Hillary's bosom and declare their misty-eyed loyalty.
Long past time we had actual viable third and fourth parties in this country. Voting for Hillary won't get us there.
And for all of you trying to tell me, and many others, that Trump is--much less will bring--the Apocalypse--Hillary brought the Apocalypse to Libya, and would continue it in Syria, and helped to bring it to Iraq. You can't scare me with a lunatic when that's what the smart people brought us.
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Amen. And Rahm was also part of the Obama administration. And he is awful.
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After 50 years of the Great Society programs, why do we still have the problems in Chicago, Baltimore, St Louis, Memphis, throughout the North East, and even in the nation's capital?? WHY?
Why are Blacks consistently thrust into failing schools without having the choice of charter schools?
Why is the Black drop out rate the highest of any group?
Why is Black unemployment the highest of any other segment of the population?
Why have we allowed Black on Black crime to go unabated?
So many of the cities where problems are the worst, are led by Democrats with promises made during election cycles, but after 50 years VERY LITTLE TO SHOW FOR IT!!
Our young people -- those who made it through school and college -- feel that they have been used as a tool. They feel that politicians will pander to them as a group -- not as an individual with an individual brain. After the past eight years, they feel that little was accomplished with our first Black president, and they feel that Mrs. Clinton has done little to help the cause -- other than make more promises.
There is a HUGE TRUST FACTOR, that will not be bridged between now and November!
Why are Blacks consistently thrust into failing schools without having the choice of charter schools?
Why is the Black drop out rate the highest of any group?
Why is Black unemployment the highest of any other segment of the population?
Why have we allowed Black on Black crime to go unabated?
So many of the cities where problems are the worst, are led by Democrats with promises made during election cycles, but after 50 years VERY LITTLE TO SHOW FOR IT!!
Our young people -- those who made it through school and college -- feel that they have been used as a tool. They feel that politicians will pander to them as a group -- not as an individual with an individual brain. After the past eight years, they feel that little was accomplished with our first Black president, and they feel that Mrs. Clinton has done little to help the cause -- other than make more promises.
There is a HUGE TRUST FACTOR, that will not be bridged between now and November!
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Oh, you mean:
Chicago
Detroit
Baltimore
Ferguson
Wait, what? They're Democrat controlled entities. Period.
Chicago
Detroit
Baltimore
Ferguson
Wait, what? They're Democrat controlled entities. Period.
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Clinton supporters are almost as irritating as the candidate herself. Terrible as she is the reasons to vote for her are are nothing short of pathetic. You would all be wise to stop reciting them, because it doesn't help her cause.
A vote for someone else is just that. Not voting is just not voting. It isn't a vote for something else. Like the Iraq war.
Just shut up.
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For decades, Republicans have perfected the art of getting middle-class and poor whites to vote for them, and against their own financial and social interests, by appealing to their fear of "others." The Democratic party knowingly forfeited the solidly racist South to enact Civil & Voting Rights, install liberal Supreme Court justices to uphold those laws, and continues to point to a path forward, not backward. If young blacks, and millennials in general, allow this last bulwark of social justice to be breached, we will head back to the mid-20th century of separation and "us-against-them" rhetoric - just like any Trump stream-of-consciousness speech. It's too bad they're too young to remember an America of legally institutionalized discrimination. It's not perfect yet, and might not be for another generation, but let's not go backwards!
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I'm not happy having to choose between Clinton or Trump and I am older and white (and still a Bernie Sanders supporter). This has been a terrible election and I can't wait for it to be over.
Both the Republicans and Democrats are responsible for the decline of the Middle Class - and it has been going on for years. And it is the "forgotten" white people committing suicide in large numbers for years. So I also get the frustration that young blacks and their issues feel towards both candidates. No group wants to be used and taken for granted.
Given my choices I am voting for Hillary Clinton. I can guarantee you that the narcissist, racist Trump does not care about any group other than the 1% that he belongs to. And he has no real interest in governing. He is a multi-billionaire, against raising the mininum wage and his tax plan is to give even more to the already rich. But he is a good liar and presents himself as an "Everyman" to vulnerable people.
Both the Republicans and Democrats are responsible for the decline of the Middle Class - and it has been going on for years. And it is the "forgotten" white people committing suicide in large numbers for years. So I also get the frustration that young blacks and their issues feel towards both candidates. No group wants to be used and taken for granted.
Given my choices I am voting for Hillary Clinton. I can guarantee you that the narcissist, racist Trump does not care about any group other than the 1% that he belongs to. And he has no real interest in governing. He is a multi-billionaire, against raising the mininum wage and his tax plan is to give even more to the already rich. But he is a good liar and presents himself as an "Everyman" to vulnerable people.
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There is a word showing up in comments supporting Clinton.
I notice with sorrow the number of people who call young, Black people who will not support Clinton: RECALCITRANT.
"having an obstinately uncooperative attitude toward authority or discipline" - New Oxford American Dictionary
RECALCITRANT is how the "liberals" of today spell UPPITY.
Again, this shows that Phil Ochs was on the money: "Liberals are 10º to the left of center in good times but 10º to the right of center when it affects them personally."
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
I notice with sorrow the number of people who call young, Black people who will not support Clinton: RECALCITRANT.
"having an obstinately uncooperative attitude toward authority or discipline" - New Oxford American Dictionary
RECALCITRANT is how the "liberals" of today spell UPPITY.
Again, this shows that Phil Ochs was on the money: "Liberals are 10º to the left of center in good times but 10º to the right of center when it affects them personally."
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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@camarena
Are we on two different threads??? -- I haven't seen that word HERE once.
Another thing.
Not too sure I agree with your definition of "UPPITY" either ... First and foremost because its historical usage has nothing to do with "liberals".
And you won't find that in the dictionary.
Are we on two different threads??? -- I haven't seen that word HERE once.
Another thing.
Not too sure I agree with your definition of "UPPITY" either ... First and foremost because its historical usage has nothing to do with "liberals".
And you won't find that in the dictionary.
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You don't vote?.....shut up.
Black Votes MATTER!!!
Fortunately there are great differences between Hillary and Fascist Don.
Fortunately there are other men and women also on the ballot with Hillary.
Every vote Matters.
Black Votes MATTER!!!
Fortunately there are great differences between Hillary and Fascist Don.
Fortunately there are other men and women also on the ballot with Hillary.
Every vote Matters.
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Franklin D. Roosevelt, wealthy champion of government dependence whose Warm Springs, Georgia, polio retreat was "whites only," famously said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Ironic that the most compelling reason for electing Hillary is fear of Trump.
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But throughout the primary season were were told constantly that all African Americans love Hillary! And that only white dudes supported Bernie! How could this be?
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How can any minority person when face between the choice between a KKK whistling Trump and the Clintons who have done everything they could, in and out of office, to work for the interest of the Minorities. If in spite of their record if these people want to make these lamest of lame excuses to enable Trump to become President then they will have brought in onto themselves the nightmare horrors that will be unleashed on all minorities once Trump becomes the one appointing Court Justices. In past the Minorities and the Blacks in particular have refused to register and refused to vote and then complain about the horrors that visit upon them as if they were not the ones to bring it onto themselves. This time there will be no recourse once Trump is in the story is over!
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Whether you vote or not you shouldnt have "horrors visited upon you".
This is the scare tactics that Democrats have used for years to secure the black vote.
Bill and Hillary's Clinton's last stay in the White House have wrought some of the worst outcomes for black people . Millennial's are right to be skeptical.
This is the scare tactics that Democrats have used for years to secure the black vote.
Bill and Hillary's Clinton's last stay in the White House have wrought some of the worst outcomes for black people . Millennial's are right to be skeptical.
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Yes. As an African American millennial, I already know Trump's an unreconstructed racist of the worst kind. White Hillary supporters don't have to beat us over the head with this whenever we raise real concerns. It smacks of effortless condescension pressed into the service of deflection.
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@carter
Can you give an example of just how you are being beat over the head???
Can you give an example of just how you are being beat over the head???
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@carter
Still there???....Where are the examples?????
Still there???....Where are the examples?????
This is a microcosm of African American Youth. Most of the young AA people I know, and I know many, are voting for Hillary Clinton! They know that their concerns will not be met by Donald Trump. They know they have everything to lose during a Trump presidency.
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The power of the vote is determined by the ability to think for yourself.
If you allow yourself to be led by the nose, you have no reason to be angry by the result of others' decisions. There are a lot of politicians walking around with a lot of money in their bank accounts. That's "our" money. Corruption pays well, to the corrupt.
If you allow yourself to be led by the nose, you have no reason to be angry by the result of others' decisions. There are a lot of politicians walking around with a lot of money in their bank accounts. That's "our" money. Corruption pays well, to the corrupt.
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Many of the commenters here seem to blame these young voters for their disenchantment with Hillary Clinton. Then again, young and middle-aged white voters were blamed for supporting Bernie Sanders so enthusiastically, and chided for not clapping harder after her nomination.
There is a reason for this, and the problem lies with Hillary, not voters. As the article notes, the report's findings were released in order to push Hillary to address her problems, not to tut-tut voters. As an older white voter, my issues with her are that militaristic streak, the surety that she will reverse herself on trade, and certainty she will side with the financial sector.
She has my vote only by dint of the other candidate's utter incompetence and bigotry.
There is a reason for this, and the problem lies with Hillary, not voters. As the article notes, the report's findings were released in order to push Hillary to address her problems, not to tut-tut voters. As an older white voter, my issues with her are that militaristic streak, the surety that she will reverse herself on trade, and certainty she will side with the financial sector.
She has my vote only by dint of the other candidate's utter incompetence and bigotry.
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I am a 37 year old Black lawyer in Washington DC with a degree in American History and a 13th generation descendant of slaves and shareceoppers. I met Barack Obama when I worked as a volunteer at the 2004 DNC and became a registered Republican a few days later.
I am voting for Donald Trump because the color of my skin didn't matter when I was in High School or at Harvard. The color of my skin isn't written on my law school diploma or my law license. I refuse to let the liberal White establishment reduce me or my vote to skin color.
I've done what Dr. Martin Luther King died so I could do. And that is what I will continue to do.
I am voting for Donald Trump because the color of my skin didn't matter when I was in High School or at Harvard. The color of my skin isn't written on my law school diploma or my law license. I refuse to let the liberal White establishment reduce me or my vote to skin color.
I've done what Dr. Martin Luther King died so I could do. And that is what I will continue to do.
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@dc
Thank goodness there are other Black lawyers out there who aren't voting for a candidate who is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
And guess what? -- In America, one is defined by one's skin color by more than just the "liberal White Establishment".
Get real.
Thank goodness there are other Black lawyers out there who aren't voting for a candidate who is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
And guess what? -- In America, one is defined by one's skin color by more than just the "liberal White Establishment".
Get real.
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Did you know he's a Black lawyer from Washington????
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All this handwringing over various identity politics will destroy us if everyone stays in their silo of identities and votes based on that. Example - Clinton was late on the bus re GLBT marriage, an issue that affects me in terms of identity. Do I care? No. It's the issues that affect us all; e.g., Climate change will destroy ALL OF US - African American, GLBT, straight, all People of Color, all Caucasians, , conservative, liberal, progressive, young, old, middle-aged, educated, working class...Clinton's positions will help all of us. To vote based on quotes taken out of context from over twenty years ago is intellectually slothful. On the greatest threats of over times, Clinton has offered thoughtful positions, in writing, of how she would address them. Read her positions and then decide. And NY Times, start seriously covering climate change.
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I would hope younger well educated Blacks, are taking a hard look at the great plans, the likes of LBJ's great society, or Clintons ending poverty have worked out. Chicago and Detroit as two examples are in shambles with economy issues, and crime ridden ghettos. While we cannot be allowed to see the stats, again I would hope folks know the homicide stats, the food stamps stats, and un-employment stats in their ranks.
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How is this a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention?
Bill threw Black Lives Matter completely under the bus, talked down his nose at them on camera, simply as a political decoy to take the spotlight off Hillary getting slammed for exploiting Sandy Hook victims.
A major point about the movement is that they are tired of shallow talk and want to stop the underlying causes. From "Bringing superpredators to heel" to taking money from private prisons, the underlying problems they face always go back to Hillary being the cause. This means there is no way she could be trusted to be a solution.
Even Hillary's half hearted attempts to reach out to BLM have been both condescending and even undermining the movement. During the convention, she paraded out a few mothers of victims of cops killing their children and exploited them to discuss gun control. She co-opted a group founded by Erica Garner, then banned her because her father was not killed by a gun.
Most young blacks supported Bernie Sanders same as most all youth. After years of hearing about voter suppression against blacks, they had a front row seat of more voter suppression committed by Hillary supporters.
Now, the only thing the right wing Hillary Democrats can say in her defense is be afraid of Trump? Fearmonger won't work on people already afraid of her.
Democrats are surprised that young blacks like Erica Garner refuse to support Hillary? I'm surprised anyone would be so unscrupulous as to support Hillary
Bill threw Black Lives Matter completely under the bus, talked down his nose at them on camera, simply as a political decoy to take the spotlight off Hillary getting slammed for exploiting Sandy Hook victims.
A major point about the movement is that they are tired of shallow talk and want to stop the underlying causes. From "Bringing superpredators to heel" to taking money from private prisons, the underlying problems they face always go back to Hillary being the cause. This means there is no way she could be trusted to be a solution.
Even Hillary's half hearted attempts to reach out to BLM have been both condescending and even undermining the movement. During the convention, she paraded out a few mothers of victims of cops killing their children and exploited them to discuss gun control. She co-opted a group founded by Erica Garner, then banned her because her father was not killed by a gun.
Most young blacks supported Bernie Sanders same as most all youth. After years of hearing about voter suppression against blacks, they had a front row seat of more voter suppression committed by Hillary supporters.
Now, the only thing the right wing Hillary Democrats can say in her defense is be afraid of Trump? Fearmonger won't work on people already afraid of her.
Democrats are surprised that young blacks like Erica Garner refuse to support Hillary? I'm surprised anyone would be so unscrupulous as to support Hillary
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So, they are going to vote for the empty façade who questioned the legitimacy of the first African American President?
HRC was working with Ms. Edelman while DT was discriminating against African Americans in housing and later in his casinos.
Which party is engaging in voter suppression? If they succeed, will these young voters find themselves disenfranchised?
Have they even thought of the 9th appointment to the Supreme Court and perhaps additional appointments in the next 4 years?
Some serious learning of the past and present seems to be in order.
HRC was working with Ms. Edelman while DT was discriminating against African Americans in housing and later in his casinos.
Which party is engaging in voter suppression? If they succeed, will these young voters find themselves disenfranchised?
Have they even thought of the 9th appointment to the Supreme Court and perhaps additional appointments in the next 4 years?
Some serious learning of the past and present seems to be in order.
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Follow the rap lyrics: "Took acting classes with Denzell. Leading lady like Hillary grabbing big Bills."
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There's no external force forcing us to choose "the lesser of two evils." We all have the option and the power to choose a third party candidate. If everyone votes their conscience and chooses to do what's right rather than making a choice based in fear, then we are no longer stuck with the lesser of two evils. It's up to us. Really.
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"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." - John Quincy Adams
Vote as if you are the only one casting a ballot.
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Yes, but there is also the reality of the situation. A progressive or libertarian third party and candidate needs to be nurtured and developed. Otherwise, such a party is merely a marginal and inconsequential force, whose only consequences can be to foster the election of president--with very real power--whose politics and values are completely at odds with that third party. Such an all-or-nothing approach is immature and shortsighted. Work to change the system from within the party that most closely matches your values and goals. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Work to get another, better candidate for the next election. These things take time and hard work and need to be built from the ground up. That is if you are committed to change. Really.
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"It's up to us. Really."
It is really not. Because you are not a movement with the numbers or the power to effect anything at this point. So you might be able to play spoiler, but not game changer. Not even close.
Hillary and other feminists have been fighting the good fight (on reproductive rights, equal pay, etc.) for forty years, while the great John Lewis has been a warrior for civil rights for longer than that. Warriors have the scars that those untested in battle have the gall to call flaws. Sanders, Stein, and Johnson think they are the conscientious objectors, but in fact they are risk-averse nit-pickers with no articulated strategy to achieve their lofty goals. They are tiresome bores who stand on the sidelines avoiding the slings and arrows, mud and slime.
It is really not. Because you are not a movement with the numbers or the power to effect anything at this point. So you might be able to play spoiler, but not game changer. Not even close.
Hillary and other feminists have been fighting the good fight (on reproductive rights, equal pay, etc.) for forty years, while the great John Lewis has been a warrior for civil rights for longer than that. Warriors have the scars that those untested in battle have the gall to call flaws. Sanders, Stein, and Johnson think they are the conscientious objectors, but in fact they are risk-averse nit-pickers with no articulated strategy to achieve their lofty goals. They are tiresome bores who stand on the sidelines avoiding the slings and arrows, mud and slime.
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The Democrats who have brought Hillary this far should be ashamed of themselves. And how dare they consider themselves Progressives. They are trying to conserve the status quo of party corruption and corrporate power, and have not gone far enough in cutting militarism, black poverty, and low pay, and have done little to nothing to help bring back work to the US, and provide free health care and education the the middle and working class of this country. And this drone crap needs to end soon.
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People of color are going to start abandoning the Democrat party? Really? Republicans are going to say a few nice things and people of color are going to flock to the Republican party now or in 2020? Who appointed the U.S. Supreme Court justices that overturned the Voting Rights Act and railed against affirmative action? What party has been working to roll back voting rights to minorities? What party welcomed in white segregationists? Name three bills passed by the Republican controlled House of Representatives and Senate championed by people of color, and then tell me all about how you're going to become a Republican.
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Abandoning the Democratic party does not necessitate embracing the Republicans. There are other parties out there, you know?
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Are you saying all blacks cannot procure ID's or gain entrance to good schools and jobs without affirmative action? If you were a republican, that is precisely how your words would be interpreted. And you would be accused of "racism" every 10 seconds.
As for your other question why blacks might vote for a republican, one word: jobs. In the real world, jobs trump identity issues. Unless you also believe that blacks don't live in the real world but only in the world created by democrats wherein everyone is defined by his/her identity.
As for your other question why blacks might vote for a republican, one word: jobs. In the real world, jobs trump identity issues. Unless you also believe that blacks don't live in the real world but only in the world created by democrats wherein everyone is defined by his/her identity.
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@ryan
Sorry. In this election, in the REAL world, there are only two major parties.
But maybe one day that will change.
Sorry. In this election, in the REAL world, there are only two major parties.
But maybe one day that will change.
These youngsters need to realize that whoever gets in is only there for 4 years , focus on 2020 and thereafter, change is in the air, it is up to you to see which way it goes.
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Despite extremely high unfavorables, the American people are going to have been steamrolled by the Clinton machine in 2016. How in the world do you expect the result to be any different in 2020 when she is the sitting president?
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Four years was enough time for president G. W. Bush to create havoc in the Middle East. The first four years are the most important for a president. It is much harder for him/her to accomplish much during the second term. Think about what president Obama was able to accomplish during his first term compared to his second term in office.
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The time to fix it is now. Tomorrow never comes.
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It's remarkable how many millennials of all types are thinking about not voting at all - the ethos of voting because it is a type of civic duty has vaporized. In its place is the idea that if it's not exactly what you want, don't vote for it. All the more remarkable is the lack of interest in voting for the first woman who might actually win the office - this is not seen as a milestone, or even unique. Clinton has huge image problems, her team does an incredibly poor job of putting forth her real presence and her history of decisions speaks for itself. Trump..well, we all know what he's about. But to decide not to vote? Because it's not exactly what you wanted? They'll never get what they want. Never. Not this election and not in any following, but if they don't vote they sure as hell will get what they don't want.
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But, shouldn't they - at least - get SOMETHING they want? They may not know Hillary Clinton as well as the rest of us, but they know enough about her to know that the ideas put forth by Bernie Sanders and "embraced" by her campaign will be out with the trash on the morning of November 9th. Why should they go skipping to the polls to vote for Hillary?
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If people don't like Clinton or Trump, then they should still vote, just vote for someone else. If you want a progressive woman for president, then vote for Jill Stein.
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Voting for the first woman if she has a proven war-hawk record may be against the interest of the young people who go off to fight those wars. And maybe the news media fail on a regular basis to cover all the candidates running, not just the GOP and Democrats. (In 2016, the Democrats have nominated someone who is getting so much GOP support, she might as well be one of them.)
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Hillary, her handlers, and her advisors, have been unable to put a dent in the widespread perception of her deceit and untrustworthiness, which will hobble ber, until she, and they, put forward a plan that very clearly, no ambiguity whatsoever, tells the people in a nationally televised address, that during her first 100 days in office, she will set the foundations for the following -
1). $15 hourly minimum wage, made law, no phase-ins, with annual cost of living increases tied to real inflation, not the government stripped number..
2). A National Health Care Program, same as Medicare for retired people, including doctors visits, prescription drugs, full in hospital coverage, paid for by a payroll tax, no exclusions, for any and all medical matters.
3). Public College tuition, paid for by a transaction tax, on all trades made on American stock exchanges, augmented by an education fund created initially by the return of hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate taxes, "evaded", by corporations relocating overseas, and thereafter continuously funded by a special corporate tax.
4). Announce a new "New Deal", to include rebuilding our infrastructure, putting millions of people to work, to continue in perpetuity.
5). Reintroduce Glass Steagall, in its original format, and last, dispense with any and all Trade Agreements, which adversely affect American workers.
Do the above and be America's first, and greatest female President.
1). $15 hourly minimum wage, made law, no phase-ins, with annual cost of living increases tied to real inflation, not the government stripped number..
2). A National Health Care Program, same as Medicare for retired people, including doctors visits, prescription drugs, full in hospital coverage, paid for by a payroll tax, no exclusions, for any and all medical matters.
3). Public College tuition, paid for by a transaction tax, on all trades made on American stock exchanges, augmented by an education fund created initially by the return of hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate taxes, "evaded", by corporations relocating overseas, and thereafter continuously funded by a special corporate tax.
4). Announce a new "New Deal", to include rebuilding our infrastructure, putting millions of people to work, to continue in perpetuity.
5). Reintroduce Glass Steagall, in its original format, and last, dispense with any and all Trade Agreements, which adversely affect American workers.
Do the above and be America's first, and greatest female President.
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Lol, Bernie got beat. Get over it...
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It's not a perception that she is deceitful. She has brought this on herself by having a private server. It's been downhill ever since. Add in the foundation, her big money donors and all of her action with govt information and u have a person who is not trustworthy at all. Your solution is to hold your muse and raise taxes.
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You, apparently, have Hillary Clinton confused with a progressive.
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Young blacks have good reasons to voice skepticism on Hillary Clinton. The former Gold water girl is now having no difficulty raising money for her campaign from rich donors who want to see status quo. Young blacks especially the educated can see through the smokescreens of deception that blacks in general are the contributors to being the king makers for too little in return. The future of black America if one sees from the millennials stand point is bleak and yearning for a sea change and Hillary may not be the change they desire simply because the Hillary crowd just took all black Americans as her solid vote bank. I would not be surprised that if Blacks don't trust Hillary and are not found of Trump than the enthusiasm to go polls may be severely dampened resulting in the worst turnout in several decades.
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"The former Gold water girl is now having no difficulty raising money for her campaign from rich donors who want to see status quo."
Yeah, I'm just waiting for the video to leak where ol' Hill is talking about the 47 percent.
Yeah, I'm just waiting for the video to leak where ol' Hill is talking about the 47 percent.
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NYT's, your daily reports on what sorts of "clouds" are hovering over Clinton's campaign are becoming almost comical. Trying so hard to make an issue when there is none, not so attractive in a newspaper of your pedigree. Your readers deserve better than what your "editors" have been dishing out as serious journalism regarding this election. It has become painfully obvious you have some real Hilary haters on staff. Luckily, I believe those of us who have decided to vote for Clinton will do so regardless of how many increasingly silly irrelevant articles you publish on the front page. I can't help but feel sad however, to see your news stories devolving into National Enquirer territory.
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You're claiming the NYT is critical of Hillary? Seriously?
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Yeah, you're right...everybody loves Hillary Clinton.
Move along...nothing to see here!
Move along...nothing to see here!
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Hillary is running a huge criminal enterprise, the biggest of its kind by a politician in American history, and commenters are trying to scare NYTimes readers that Trump will shut down the polls and bring back Jim Crow.
This kind of hysteria is laughable. I hope Trump wins by a landslide. He will help blacks more than any politician ever. Say good-bye to corrupt Democrat cities, owned by Democrats, run by Democrats, and ruined by Democrats. Now they are running scared.
Why? Because the Democrats have nominated one of the most obviously corrupt persons in our nation’s history. She is hiding from the press. She is lying to everyone. She has corrupted the DOJ, the FBI, the State Department, and now she and her husband want to come back and finished the job on the White House.
Wake up and vote Trump, or you will not have a country left.
This kind of hysteria is laughable. I hope Trump wins by a landslide. He will help blacks more than any politician ever. Say good-bye to corrupt Democrat cities, owned by Democrats, run by Democrats, and ruined by Democrats. Now they are running scared.
Why? Because the Democrats have nominated one of the most obviously corrupt persons in our nation’s history. She is hiding from the press. She is lying to everyone. She has corrupted the DOJ, the FBI, the State Department, and now she and her husband want to come back and finished the job on the White House.
Wake up and vote Trump, or you will not have a country left.
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I agree with everything you said about Hillary, except for one thing...the part about her not winning.
Did you invent this all in your head? What job are you trying out for?
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Here's the irony to.... "He’s a racist, and she is a liar.."
The reason she thinks he is a racist? She's a liar ....
She lied about what he actually said.
The reason she thinks he is a racist? She's a liar ....
She lied about what he actually said.
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I never can figure out why voters make their choice based on perceptions of candidates flaws, which are really political propaganda, rather than the candidates policies. The former will have no affect on your life. The latter will determine your future.
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How do you have faith in any policy espoused when you don't trust the person to actually implement it?
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This really should not be about who you like or "trust" -- this is about a Democratic candidate, from a party which has, despite much Republican opposition, brought into being, Social Security, Medicare, union support. The Democratic party favors increasing the minimum wage, adding justices to the US Supreme Court who are not bent on total support of and capitulation to business interests, who, if we are lucky, would overturn Citizens United, restore the Voting Rights Act and so much more. On the other hand, the Republican party is the party of the super rich, and mostly white people. They talk about "fiscal responsibility" but that is, in fact, little more than lip service, if one looks at what they actually do. They talk about "middle class" tax cuts, but, in reality, the vast, vast, part of those are for already very rich folks....not for you. No real choice here? Pay attention -- the gap between not only Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump, but the gap between the Democratic and Republican parties is huge.... There really is a difference.
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So how can you vote for her?? The crony capitalists are bashing Trump and love her. Get a clue...
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@paul
"Get a clue"??? -- OK. Here's one.
Start by listening to what Donald Trump is saying.
Next. Remember he is endorsed by the KKK.
Now imagine yourself as a Black person in America.
Are you starting to get a picture???
"Get a clue"??? -- OK. Here's one.
Start by listening to what Donald Trump is saying.
Next. Remember he is endorsed by the KKK.
Now imagine yourself as a Black person in America.
Are you starting to get a picture???
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Hillary Clinton has control issues, baggage issues, and transparency issues. But she does have black friends and genuinely respects the American black community. She has owned up to the mistake of the "super predator" labeling of the '90's, and apologized. She is, flaws and all, an intelligent person.
Donald Trump has no control, needs steamer trunks to contain his lies, while being transparent in his bigotry and simultaneously opaque in his real reason for wanting to be President. It has nothing to do with improving the lives others, regardless of color or ethnic background. Trump has never acknowledged any of his many errors, nor ever apologized for anything he has done or said, period. It is all about Donald Trump, narcissist.
Were they alive today, neither Malcom X nor Martin Luther King would vote for Trump. They, like Clinton, were intelligent, articulate and flawed. Donald Trump possesses only one of those three characteristics.
Black Americans, as noted here, may very well decide this election. Not voting is just not an option this election. Don't allow the impossible perfect to be the enemy of the achievable good.
Donald Trump has no control, needs steamer trunks to contain his lies, while being transparent in his bigotry and simultaneously opaque in his real reason for wanting to be President. It has nothing to do with improving the lives others, regardless of color or ethnic background. Trump has never acknowledged any of his many errors, nor ever apologized for anything he has done or said, period. It is all about Donald Trump, narcissist.
Were they alive today, neither Malcom X nor Martin Luther King would vote for Trump. They, like Clinton, were intelligent, articulate and flawed. Donald Trump possesses only one of those three characteristics.
Black Americans, as noted here, may very well decide this election. Not voting is just not an option this election. Don't allow the impossible perfect to be the enemy of the achievable good.
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Well now, can't imagine Malcolm X voting for either the Democratic nor the Republican party.
king was a Republican but I wonder which party he would choose if he lived today; I prefer to think he would vote Green.
( Personally, as a young woman, I favored Malcolm X to King.)
king was a Republican but I wonder which party he would choose if he lived today; I prefer to think he would vote Green.
( Personally, as a young woman, I favored Malcolm X to King.)
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JRS, you may very well be right about Malcom X. And King was a Republican because in his day, the Republican Party was still the political movement that had initially rid the country of slavery.
Malcom X was assassinated during my senior year in high school, King a little over three years later, and, not just coincidentally, Robert Kennedy died almost two months to the day later from an assassin's bullet, while I was still walking around Ft. Cambell, Ky wearing Levis because I had not yet been issued my Army fatigues. I, as was King, nominally a Republican in June, 1968. In November, 1970, when I returned from Vietnam, I was a Democrat, thanks to Richard M. Nixon. I have remained one for the past 46 years.
Please, for me if for no other reason, do everything you can in your power, and to influence your family and friends, to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.
Glen
Malcom X was assassinated during my senior year in high school, King a little over three years later, and, not just coincidentally, Robert Kennedy died almost two months to the day later from an assassin's bullet, while I was still walking around Ft. Cambell, Ky wearing Levis because I had not yet been issued my Army fatigues. I, as was King, nominally a Republican in June, 1968. In November, 1970, when I returned from Vietnam, I was a Democrat, thanks to Richard M. Nixon. I have remained one for the past 46 years.
Please, for me if for no other reason, do everything you can in your power, and to influence your family and friends, to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.
Glen
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Gee, I thought that the apparatchiks of the CBC had guaranteed an immense wave of Black support to carry Clinton to the presidency. The CBC certainly did all it could to ignore young Blacks' clear preference for Bernie Sanders and to paint him as oblivious to if not hostile to Black folks. Unfortunately, the growing political sophistication of African Americans has outstripped the Clinton-CBC deal: vote for us, and we'll give yo somethin', maybe.
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lets all get together black and white and vote for lumpy trump - that's the ticket.
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“She was part of the whole problem that started sending blacks to jail,” a young black man, also from Ohio, observed about Mrs. Clinton.
“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?” another young black woman from Ohio said.
Says it all. Bernie knew it, said it, wanted to stop it. We saw the DNC, the operating not for profit body of the US Democratic Party, deliberately destroy Bernie's campaign, because Wasserman Schulz was going to shove HRC down our throats. But nothing sinks HRC - let's imagine how really rich she'll be after she leaves office. Chelsea has to have something to live on.
Let's not EVER forget where "for profit" prisons came (Clintons) and let's not forget that minorities are thrown away for ever in these for-profit prisons, African Americans, women, anyone who is "not important' in the DNC/Clinton playbook.
The Clintons think Americans deserve them. Aren't we lucky?
Cause she's who we're getting and there don't need to be no votes. Chads? OMG that's just so old-fashioned and quaint.
IT's all rigged. Get over it folks.
“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?” another young black woman from Ohio said.
Says it all. Bernie knew it, said it, wanted to stop it. We saw the DNC, the operating not for profit body of the US Democratic Party, deliberately destroy Bernie's campaign, because Wasserman Schulz was going to shove HRC down our throats. But nothing sinks HRC - let's imagine how really rich she'll be after she leaves office. Chelsea has to have something to live on.
Let's not EVER forget where "for profit" prisons came (Clintons) and let's not forget that minorities are thrown away for ever in these for-profit prisons, African Americans, women, anyone who is "not important' in the DNC/Clinton playbook.
The Clintons think Americans deserve them. Aren't we lucky?
Cause she's who we're getting and there don't need to be no votes. Chads? OMG that's just so old-fashioned and quaint.
IT's all rigged. Get over it folks.
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Clinton as part of the 1% establishment that sent millions of black manufacturing jobs overseas (bottom rungs on economic ladder), flooded the US labor markets with desperate immigrants who killed black and working class whites wages and immigrant "business owners" who dominate "sanctuary cities" viciously discriminate against blacks and anyone not from their group (and get a free pass from civil rights leaders) AND the democrat Obama is still trying to ram the TPP trade agreement through in defiance of the majority will. Young African American voters are justified in not trusting the Democrats or Hillary or any of our political establishment, but not for the invented reasons discussed by this article of invented police racism and all manner of isms that anyone who questions the open borders status quo is now accused of in order to distract all Americans from our leaders plans to force the 99% to do "global labor competition" with the 5+ billion no rights holding slave workers who make up most of the world's population. All the problems that afflict poor and minority Americans now arise from this 1% crusade to force 99% Americans into a new age globalized serf class.
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Precisely, Winthrop,
The wealth at stake in this worldwide war on the masses, is simply too great for the self-appointed owners of mankind to consider passing along any real benefit to the people.
The most they will do, is dole out larger, but still stale breadcrumbs.
Hillary has yet to suggest any concrete plan to address the crippling inequality destroying our way of life.
She, and her handlers, truly believe they need do nothing but sit back as Trump wins them the election.
Come January our President will cease any pretense, and operate as many other authoritarian leaders do.
The wealth at stake in this worldwide war on the masses, is simply too great for the self-appointed owners of mankind to consider passing along any real benefit to the people.
The most they will do, is dole out larger, but still stale breadcrumbs.
Hillary has yet to suggest any concrete plan to address the crippling inequality destroying our way of life.
She, and her handlers, truly believe they need do nothing but sit back as Trump wins them the election.
Come January our President will cease any pretense, and operate as many other authoritarian leaders do.
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Mrs. Clinton has been actively campaigning - in the Hamptons, on Martha's Vineyard - but far away from African Americans in Detroit (Mr. Trump was campaigning there quite recently), Chicago (why hasn't Rahm Emanuel invited her to the South Side?), etc. A multimillionaire, Mrs. Clinton shan't deign to hob-nob with the lower classes, be they African-American, or Caucasian, or Asian, or . . . She wants power, that's all. What's the Times, the Washington Post, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, etc. to do?
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I can tell you why she's been going after the dollars, she's a woman and she's going to need those dollars for her campaign because everything is harder for women, just as everything is harder for people of color.
Hillary has been to black neighborhoods and churches, but no one remembers that.
Hillary has been to black neighborhoods and churches, but no one remembers that.
"O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!"
Democrats thought they had the perfect antidote to "law and order" -- and "racist" -- republicans by focusing on incarceration rates but instead wound up with being burned by it.
Far be it for a democrat to explain conditions to younger blacks who don't know why those harsher jail sentences were imposed. (Yes, there was a reason other than "racism".) Unfortunately, democrats cannot be honest about it without risking the alienation of black voters.
What else aren't they being honest about?
Democrats thought they had the perfect antidote to "law and order" -- and "racist" -- republicans by focusing on incarceration rates but instead wound up with being burned by it.
Far be it for a democrat to explain conditions to younger blacks who don't know why those harsher jail sentences were imposed. (Yes, there was a reason other than "racism".) Unfortunately, democrats cannot be honest about it without risking the alienation of black voters.
What else aren't they being honest about?
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its funny, but by saying 'black voters' or 'white voters' or 'minority voters' the society is perpetuating racism,
when in fact it should be categorizing people by level of education, cognitive skills and work skills instead
when in fact it should be categorizing people by level of education, cognitive skills and work skills instead
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Uh-oh, looks like they're gettin' restless on the Democratic plantation. What to do, what to do?
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@cwp
If you had any real idea of what life on a plantation was like -- you might not make so lightly of it.
I suggest you Google it.
If you had any real idea of what life on a plantation was like -- you might not make so lightly of it.
I suggest you Google it.
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How on earth could any black young person vote for this corrupt, lying, corporatist, plutocrat? Then again,how could any sane person?
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Every day the Times has a negative story about Hillary in the front page above the fold.
What's that all about? Is there nothing positive to write about her? Her speeches and positions are hardly covered. Where is the article about her new prescription drug plan announced Friday? Where is the article that Trump just hired Bossie, who has dedicated his whole adult life to destroy Hillary with lies and false conspiracy theories, to be his deputy campaign manager.He joins Breitbart another liar and conspiracy theories guy. We'll have enough negativity coming from them for the Times to keep piling on and help Trump
I get it the that the Times Editorial Board endorsed Hillary and it's trying to show its "impartial" in the news covering department. But enough is enough with the email stories, the "trust" and "honesty" thing, how she has not been in public "all" summer when in fact it was just last 2 weeks in August she was fund-raising for her campaign and other democratic candidate. She was busy with the primaries, convention and tour across the country with Tim Kaine until early August.
How about an article that some people are not comfortable with a woman leading the country and are masking that fear with other issues about her perceived "character", just like they were not comfortable with an African-American president and tried to make his presidency hell for him (e.g. Trump's birther lies, all Republicans "JUST SAY NO and obstructr anything Obama wants to do,and on and on
What's that all about? Is there nothing positive to write about her? Her speeches and positions are hardly covered. Where is the article about her new prescription drug plan announced Friday? Where is the article that Trump just hired Bossie, who has dedicated his whole adult life to destroy Hillary with lies and false conspiracy theories, to be his deputy campaign manager.He joins Breitbart another liar and conspiracy theories guy. We'll have enough negativity coming from them for the Times to keep piling on and help Trump
I get it the that the Times Editorial Board endorsed Hillary and it's trying to show its "impartial" in the news covering department. But enough is enough with the email stories, the "trust" and "honesty" thing, how she has not been in public "all" summer when in fact it was just last 2 weeks in August she was fund-raising for her campaign and other democratic candidate. She was busy with the primaries, convention and tour across the country with Tim Kaine until early August.
How about an article that some people are not comfortable with a woman leading the country and are masking that fear with other issues about her perceived "character", just like they were not comfortable with an African-American president and tried to make his presidency hell for him (e.g. Trump's birther lies, all Republicans "JUST SAY NO and obstructr anything Obama wants to do,and on and on
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In the Times magazine July 29 Emily Bazelon examines the issue of a woman running for president.
"Comparing Clinton’s popularity as Secretary of State with her far lower ratings as a candidate last February, Sady Doyle argued in Quartz that the swings of public opinion about her “reveal Americans’ continued prejudice against women caught in the act of asking for power.” A Harvard study that Doyle cites found that when men seek power, they’re perceived as more competent, while when women seek power, they face “contempt, anger, and/or disgust.” Rebecca Traister made a similar point in New York Magazine this week about how the press treats Clinton: When she campaigns, “the coverage curdles and becomes cold.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/magazine/what-women-owe-hillary-clinto...
"Comparing Clinton’s popularity as Secretary of State with her far lower ratings as a candidate last February, Sady Doyle argued in Quartz that the swings of public opinion about her “reveal Americans’ continued prejudice against women caught in the act of asking for power.” A Harvard study that Doyle cites found that when men seek power, they’re perceived as more competent, while when women seek power, they face “contempt, anger, and/or disgust.” Rebecca Traister made a similar point in New York Magazine this week about how the press treats Clinton: When she campaigns, “the coverage curdles and becomes cold.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/magazine/what-women-owe-hillary-clinto...
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I would be very comfortable with a female president, just not this particular one, with her hawkish decisions and condescending attitude toward anyone who disagrees with her (Bernie Sanders in the debates, the young Black Lives Matter woman at her fund-raiser, for example.)
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AFR: I remember Sanders used language in his speeches to the effect that Clinton was not "qualified" to be president. And Trump is quoting him now.
In politics men can be mean but women have to behave like ladies 100% of the time?
In politics men can be mean but women have to behave like ladies 100% of the time?
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Voting consistently for Democrats for the past 90 years or so has really worked out well for the black community. One only has to look at Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago to see how well.
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See what Republicans do the minute they get in power in the legislatures and governor in the states? Pass voting restriction laws to keep blacks away from the polls!
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What Trump has going for him is the fact that his own party hates him because he won't play to their warmongering, and trade policies. That alone paints him as an independent nationalist that owes nothing to the party establishment, free to do what's good for the nation.
Hillary Clinton on the other hand is a servant of her warmongering billionaires, and she will continue to do exactly what they want (wars to benefit their favorite foreign nation) in order to enrich her own family. She is already calling for the return of sanctions on Iran. Country means little to Hillary.
Hillary Clinton on the other hand is a servant of her warmongering billionaires, and she will continue to do exactly what they want (wars to benefit their favorite foreign nation) in order to enrich her own family. She is already calling for the return of sanctions on Iran. Country means little to Hillary.
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I'm not surprised young black people don't have the same loyalty to the Democratic Party that their parents and grandparents do.
When their grandparents were alive, the Democrats were led by the Kennedy brothers and Lyndon Johnson, and they did more to improve the lives of black people than any white people since Abe Lincoln's time. I absolutely understand loyalty to the Party of Bobby Kennedy.
But in younger black people's lifetime, their experience of Democratic leadership was:
- rejecting Jesse Jackson's candidacy
- Al Gore calling attention to Michael Dukakis' furlough program, which led to the Willie Horton ads against Dukakis.
- Bill Clinton's support for a mass incarceration policy that led to a 50% increase in the prison population, mostly of young black men.
- Hillary Clinton's "superpredators" comments in support of Bill's policies.
- Barack Obama's response to Michael Brown's shooting and similar racially-motivated atrocities was to dispatch Al Sharpton to try to turn the outrage into votes for Democrats.
- As we now know, the Democratic Party line on BlackLivesMatter is to not commit support to any actual policy proposals that the activists might present. In other words, they by all appearances plan to do nothing.
I don't blame young black folks for thinking that the Democrats don't have their interests in mind.
When their grandparents were alive, the Democrats were led by the Kennedy brothers and Lyndon Johnson, and they did more to improve the lives of black people than any white people since Abe Lincoln's time. I absolutely understand loyalty to the Party of Bobby Kennedy.
But in younger black people's lifetime, their experience of Democratic leadership was:
- rejecting Jesse Jackson's candidacy
- Al Gore calling attention to Michael Dukakis' furlough program, which led to the Willie Horton ads against Dukakis.
- Bill Clinton's support for a mass incarceration policy that led to a 50% increase in the prison population, mostly of young black men.
- Hillary Clinton's "superpredators" comments in support of Bill's policies.
- Barack Obama's response to Michael Brown's shooting and similar racially-motivated atrocities was to dispatch Al Sharpton to try to turn the outrage into votes for Democrats.
- As we now know, the Democratic Party line on BlackLivesMatter is to not commit support to any actual policy proposals that the activists might present. In other words, they by all appearances plan to do nothing.
I don't blame young black folks for thinking that the Democrats don't have their interests in mind.
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so if your endorsed by a racist then your racist but if you endorse a racist then your not a racist? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPL2JlJBuqs
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Realityt check people shuold be more alarm that there voting rights could vanish .Do we really have two party system or is that rigged also. Lincoln basiclly started secound party because same problems we have today. In the end on election day it wil come down to least amount votes will elect the next president. With only 9 percent of population voting in primary is mirror image of what going to happen in november
So the only group who can have real concerns about Clinton, and not be called racist, are blacks. Interesting. Trump is a caveman, but Clinton is a dinosaur, The traditional dems have been deaf and color blind for decades. But the problems of America, and Americans have changed. Sadly, Trump is evolution.
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Blacks should vote for selfish reasons as we all do. Clinton has shown her colors for selfishness all her life as a politico. Trump has never held public office so maybe he might change things. Take a chance- you know for sure who Hillary is.
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It's not a question of voting for the lesser of evils it is a question of voting for a better America for all
Making college more affordable , reducing the cost of health care , increasing the minimum wage , infrastructure investment, renewable energy investment, penal, immigration and tax reform , appointing a Supreme Court Judge who will help enshrine voting rights, eliminating citizens United. All this will reduce income inequality a considerable barrier to dynamic economic growth.
Only Democrats can do this by controlling the House, the Senate , the White House .
This is why all young people must get out to vote.
It is their future , I am voting this way not for me as my life is well set, it is because I believe if we do not act to enact this agenda the future for our children , grandchildren is indeed bleak
Making college more affordable , reducing the cost of health care , increasing the minimum wage , infrastructure investment, renewable energy investment, penal, immigration and tax reform , appointing a Supreme Court Judge who will help enshrine voting rights, eliminating citizens United. All this will reduce income inequality a considerable barrier to dynamic economic growth.
Only Democrats can do this by controlling the House, the Senate , the White House .
This is why all young people must get out to vote.
It is their future , I am voting this way not for me as my life is well set, it is because I believe if we do not act to enact this agenda the future for our children , grandchildren is indeed bleak
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Hillary won't give you those things.
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Hillary supports Merrick Garland WHO SUPPORTS CITIZENS UNITED and thinks IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH. Time to wake up. You had all of what you listed in Bernie Sanders but the DNC election frauded him to death. Hillary is basically Mitt Romney policy-wise. You can vote for Jill Stein. Hillary won't deliver any of those things you hope for.
Her real problem is the silent majority of all colors, all education levels and ages that won't be voting for her, and nothing could change their minds.
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Obama was always an odd choice for me. From Hawaii, so not really raised "black" as most mainlanders were, African father, so more American-African than African-American, Ivy league schooled, and it just seemed he wasn't a "mainstream" African-American, as he was not descended from slaves. I could understand blacks being a bit confused once you got past the skin color. Certainly Michelle is a paragon of African-American womanhood, and, to me, she would have made a better president. But, even after you've lumped all black Americans into one voting block, that any of them would seriously consider Drumpf a more "votable" (we won't go to the "qualified" arena) candidate than Clinton is nonsensical.
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I have to agree with Nathan Baskerville. The Clinton campaign seems up and locked when it comes to explaining its proposed programs for improving education, job training, business entrepreneurship, and other areas of our common activity that can afford Millennials a better chance for getting ahead. Instead, Clinton appears tied to wealthy donors and obsessed with Trump's outrageous accusations. It's like kids fighting in the kindergarten sandbox. Meanwhile, the rest of us are frustrated at facing the two worst presidential choices in two generations (since Nixon).
Younger Americans across the millennial spectrum have one thing that old guys (73) like me don't: time and future elections. The current malaise in our politics has come from years of divisiveness and grand-standing and ignoring what most people really want: politicians who can come together and resolve serious problems and pass legislation that will benefit all of us instead of special interests. Our political system in Washington has become trapped in a political oligarchy wedded to rich and wealthy patrons looking to have their nests feathered even more.
It will be up to Mr. Baskerville and his generation to find new ways of doing politics that will go around the entrenched moneyed interests that so far continue to dominate both major political parties, despite all of the rhetoric about helping "middle class" Americans.
Younger Americans across the millennial spectrum have one thing that old guys (73) like me don't: time and future elections. The current malaise in our politics has come from years of divisiveness and grand-standing and ignoring what most people really want: politicians who can come together and resolve serious problems and pass legislation that will benefit all of us instead of special interests. Our political system in Washington has become trapped in a political oligarchy wedded to rich and wealthy patrons looking to have their nests feathered even more.
It will be up to Mr. Baskerville and his generation to find new ways of doing politics that will go around the entrenched moneyed interests that so far continue to dominate both major political parties, despite all of the rhetoric about helping "middle class" Americans.
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After years of Republican Congressional obstructionism. After years of Republican state houses manipulating voting rights, and districts. After years of Scalia and the garbage of moneyed interests winning. After all of the good progress under Obama.
Wake up millennial: YOU can not afford to be pure. This is real. Forget Gary Johnson. Forget the Green Party.
Or you will have your Trumpian cake and most certainly will have deeply regrets.
Wake up millennial: YOU can not afford to be pure. This is real. Forget Gary Johnson. Forget the Green Party.
Or you will have your Trumpian cake and most certainly will have deeply regrets.
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I'm writing in for "Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov". Don't tell me who to vote for.
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Against the backdrop of 1990s baggage carried by leaders of that era (including some African Americans), both the format (venues) and the content (policy) of outreach to African Americans need to be relevant to 2016. The Clintons have testified that the policy of mass incarceration was a huge mistake of disproportionate impact on the black community. Now they need to explain how they intend to mitigate its impact, as well as fix remaining discrepancies in the criminal justice system, the foremost being the use of excessive force with impunity.
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Not voting? Take a look at Brexit, many young people did not vote and they lost their chance to get what they wanted.
When people don't vote, politicians ignore them in their policies. It's a cycle that creates more disillusioned people who don't vote, which means politicians ignore them even more.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/opinions/brexit-youth-vote-abby-tomlinson/...
When people don't vote, politicians ignore them in their policies. It's a cycle that creates more disillusioned people who don't vote, which means politicians ignore them even more.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/opinions/brexit-youth-vote-abby-tomlinson/...
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Education does not always equate to intelligence.
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I am neither young nor Black and I live in a state whose electoral votes are usually an afterthought in a presidential election. But my thoughts about this election and the two candidates for president are close enough to those of the young Black voices heard hear as to be almost identical.
I abhor her hanging out with authors of genocide like Henry Kissinger, her record as a hungry hawk willing to go to war at the drop of a hat, her close ties to big banks, both foreign and domestic and her taking Black folks' votes for granted in the south and in large urban areas.
But in the end I will vote for Hillary despite all these negatives because I cannot spend my precious vote on a duplicitous buffoon who has never reached out to any minority population in his business life or his new political life, unless they held a high office he bribed to get his way.
All of us who are so unhappy with our choices and are thinking of voting for Trump or Stein or Johnson or of not voting at all need to remember something my grandmother taught me that is becoming more and more relevant each day:
The Perfect is the enemy of the Good.
I abhor her hanging out with authors of genocide like Henry Kissinger, her record as a hungry hawk willing to go to war at the drop of a hat, her close ties to big banks, both foreign and domestic and her taking Black folks' votes for granted in the south and in large urban areas.
But in the end I will vote for Hillary despite all these negatives because I cannot spend my precious vote on a duplicitous buffoon who has never reached out to any minority population in his business life or his new political life, unless they held a high office he bribed to get his way.
All of us who are so unhappy with our choices and are thinking of voting for Trump or Stein or Johnson or of not voting at all need to remember something my grandmother taught me that is becoming more and more relevant each day:
The Perfect is the enemy of the Good.
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Young blacks should at least keep in mind that neither Secretary Clinton or her father ever denied or wanted to deny blacks from renting wherever they wished to live.
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We should also keep in mind the same news media portraying Trump as a racist did the same thing to Hillary in 2008.
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We haven't had a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" election in my lifetime. Of course, as a Clinton supporter I'm not as torn as these young African Americans seem to be.
The only thing I can say, were I in a position to speak to them is this: look at the full arc of each candidate's life in order to make up your mind. Who has done more with your best interests at heart? Who has occasionally slipped in legislation here and there but never expected the consequences not forswear in advance? Versus who knew full well he was breaking the law in your regard, but did so anyway?
But I would also say to them, please please vote. Remember which party is trying to prevent you from voting, anyway they can. Because if you sit home and refuse to exercise your franchise, and help elect the man who has promised to nominate "severely" conservative justices, your voting rights will remain under attack under the guise of states rights.
My final thought is listen to your elders in Congress, John Lewis and Elijah Cummings. They're with her because they have seen the full arc of her political career.
The only thing I can say, were I in a position to speak to them is this: look at the full arc of each candidate's life in order to make up your mind. Who has done more with your best interests at heart? Who has occasionally slipped in legislation here and there but never expected the consequences not forswear in advance? Versus who knew full well he was breaking the law in your regard, but did so anyway?
But I would also say to them, please please vote. Remember which party is trying to prevent you from voting, anyway they can. Because if you sit home and refuse to exercise your franchise, and help elect the man who has promised to nominate "severely" conservative justices, your voting rights will remain under attack under the guise of states rights.
My final thought is listen to your elders in Congress, John Lewis and Elijah Cummings. They're with her because they have seen the full arc of her political career.
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I'm a young Black man Christine.
I'm not listening to John Lewis, Elijah Cummings or any of the old, obsolete, so-called leaders of my community.
Why?
Because they've gotten rich NOT solving the problems they promised to. Hypocrites, liars and sellouts who profit from the liberal political status quo.
I'm not listening to John Lewis, Elijah Cummings or any of the old, obsolete, so-called leaders of my community.
Why?
Because they've gotten rich NOT solving the problems they promised to. Hypocrites, liars and sellouts who profit from the liberal political status quo.
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She has no real political "career."
She has ridden on her husband's coattails for literally decades.
Her SoS position was political payback for favors done by her husband.
Same with her Senate seat.
The arc of her "career" has become corrupt and self-serving. How else does a so-called "public servant" become so, so vastly wealthy?
Blow it up and start over.
She has ridden on her husband's coattails for literally decades.
Her SoS position was political payback for favors done by her husband.
Same with her Senate seat.
The arc of her "career" has become corrupt and self-serving. How else does a so-called "public servant" become so, so vastly wealthy?
Blow it up and start over.
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@DCBarrister: OK, I get you. But I certainly hope you don't cast your vote for someone who has a patently racist past.
Wanting more than a candidate who is better than the alternative is all very nice, but not as important as a candidate who is well qualified and most likely to help solve existing issues. This will not be obvious, however, to those who do not perceive the difference between conspiracy theories about an excellent candidate fabricated by those with an agenda, and the fairly obvious truth about that candidate
Young voters are actually part of the problem, and they forfeit the right to complain if they're not voting. You don't need an ideal candidate — if there is ever actually such an individual...and there isn't. You need a candidate who can built compromise and consensus to move issues forward, not promise what can't be delivered.
Not voting for Hillary is monumentally obtuse, with no upside. The establishment isn't the problem. A lack of responsible governance is. You don't have to be older to recognize this reality.
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
Young voters are actually part of the problem, and they forfeit the right to complain if they're not voting. You don't need an ideal candidate — if there is ever actually such an individual...and there isn't. You need a candidate who can built compromise and consensus to move issues forward, not promise what can't be delivered.
Not voting for Hillary is monumentally obtuse, with no upside. The establishment isn't the problem. A lack of responsible governance is. You don't have to be older to recognize this reality.
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
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Oh I wish we could start again !!!
Oligarchy or madness. Is there any other political party?
Oligarchy or madness. Is there any other political party?
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@jt
If you were Black, you'd be more worried about a racist than an oligarchy.
If you were Black, you'd be more worried about a racist than an oligarchy.
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I'm Black and I'm voting for Trump.
So there's that...
And in 2008 Hillary Clinton was a racist and an oligarch. What's changed other than the pages on a calendar?
So there's that...
And in 2008 Hillary Clinton was a racist and an oligarch. What's changed other than the pages on a calendar?
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@N. Smith
Racist? The person that told young blacks to "heel"?
Racist? The person that told young blacks to "heel"?
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Always about race with Democrats - Democrats; the Historical Party of Slavery, Segregation, Jim Crowe Laws, Marriage Licenses, and Gun Control....all based on the color of a person's skin.
Now Democrats want us to believe they have changed their racist ways but STILL cannot talk about anything without injecting race.
Now Democrats want us to believe they have changed their racist ways but STILL cannot talk about anything without injecting race.
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@bredeth
OK. Back to the American History books for you -- The old Democratic Party of slavery and segregation is what the "new" Republican Party is today.
The Republican "Party of Lincoln" no longer exists. Look around.
Another thing.
Racism isn't limited to any one political party, and it is embedded in the very fabric of this Nation.
Get used to it.
OK. Back to the American History books for you -- The old Democratic Party of slavery and segregation is what the "new" Republican Party is today.
The Republican "Party of Lincoln" no longer exists. Look around.
Another thing.
Racism isn't limited to any one political party, and it is embedded in the very fabric of this Nation.
Get used to it.
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"Now Democrats want us to believe they have changed their racist ways"
Your comment only makes sense if you very carefully ignore the major transformation of the racial politics of the two major political parties between 1948 and 1968. Your history leaves out:
- Harry Truman's efforts to end segregation that led to Strohm Thurmond creating a breakaway racist faction known as the "Dixiecrats".
- Democrat Bobby Kennedy's explicit support of the Civil Rights Movement.
- Democrat Lyndon Johnson passing the most important civil rights legislation in the 20th century.
- In response to LBJ's actions, in 1964 the racist contingent that had supported segregation and Jim Crow and the like almost entirely left the Democratic Party.
- In 1968, the Republican Party led by Richard Nixon welcomed the Dixiecrats into their party with open arms. And there they remained until they started dying off.
Your comment only makes sense if you very carefully ignore the major transformation of the racial politics of the two major political parties between 1948 and 1968. Your history leaves out:
- Harry Truman's efforts to end segregation that led to Strohm Thurmond creating a breakaway racist faction known as the "Dixiecrats".
- Democrat Bobby Kennedy's explicit support of the Civil Rights Movement.
- Democrat Lyndon Johnson passing the most important civil rights legislation in the 20th century.
- In response to LBJ's actions, in 1964 the racist contingent that had supported segregation and Jim Crow and the like almost entirely left the Democratic Party.
- In 1968, the Republican Party led by Richard Nixon welcomed the Dixiecrats into their party with open arms. And there they remained until they started dying off.
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@dave
Thanks. "History" seems to have a short, and selective shelf-life these days.
Thanks. "History" seems to have a short, and selective shelf-life these days.
I respect young people, people of color, naturalized citizens, African Americans, Asian Americans, Indian Americans, American Indians...making up their own minds.
What I do not respect are some of the commentators trying to intimidate people, with doubts, worries, questions, anxieties and fears, into voting for "their" candidate.
When did elections become a marketing ploy with intimidation, force and fear-creation as the strategy to get a candidate elected?
That scares me as much as some candidates themselves.
You do not force someone to vote for Trump because he is the non establishment candidate compared to Hillary. You do not force someone to vote for Hillary because the alternative, Trump, is horrible.
Such a strategy speaks poorly for both candidates, and for our democracy itself.
What I do not respect are some of the commentators trying to intimidate people, with doubts, worries, questions, anxieties and fears, into voting for "their" candidate.
When did elections become a marketing ploy with intimidation, force and fear-creation as the strategy to get a candidate elected?
That scares me as much as some candidates themselves.
You do not force someone to vote for Trump because he is the non establishment candidate compared to Hillary. You do not force someone to vote for Hillary because the alternative, Trump, is horrible.
Such a strategy speaks poorly for both candidates, and for our democracy itself.
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Heaven's Mark, is that "Somewhere on Planet Eath" you claim as your home, under a rock??? Elections have ALWAYS been a "marketing ploy" of some type, going back to Andrew Jackson and beyond! Come on out and open your eyes!! Trump is "horrible" because he is not a polished politician so he says what is viewed as "mean things". Clinton on the other hand is, like her husband, a very "slick"(I.e. "Oily") politician. She is the epitome of evil and will tell one group what they want to hear from one side of her face and tell another group what they're wanting to hear from another side.
What our democracy needs are viable third party alternatives. Jill Stein presents a good view of common sense without the pure evil of Clinton.
What our democracy needs are viable third party alternatives. Jill Stein presents a good view of common sense without the pure evil of Clinton.
"You've got so much to lose!"
This would be "racist" if Trump said it.
This would be "racist" if Trump said it.
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This year we have a choice between bad and worse and it makes our country look bad to the rest of the world. I'm a Dem (lifelong) and will hold my nose and vote for HRC because of the Supreme Court if nothing else.
Her flawed judgment, avoidance of the press, abiding arrogance , lack of transparency, sense of entitlement ... the list is endless. It doesn't bode well for her presidency.
Her flawed judgment, avoidance of the press, abiding arrogance , lack of transparency, sense of entitlement ... the list is endless. It doesn't bode well for her presidency.
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If the Supreme Court is your only reason to vote for HRC, then you are kidding yourself. As the NY Times noted at the time, it was eleven democrats who gave us Clarence Thomas:
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/16/us/thomas-confirmation-senate-confirms...
The recent gutting of the 4th Amendment by SCOTUS was the doing of a Bill Clinton nominee, Stephen Breyer.
Merrick Garland, Mr. Obama's current choice, is universally considered to be to the right of Scalia on crime issues.
The Vote Blue fear tactic is edentate and crumbles under scrutiny.
America has a system of checks and balances that has worked out fine for the past few centuries. The court is not the final word on anything. Erosion of rights is happening on a State level. All the Supreme Court does is decide if those laws are constitutional. Not "good" or "bad." What your state does can be undone.
But above that, what makes anyone think for a moment that a neoliberal like Clinton, a woman with the backing of most of the "W" administration, a Wall Street corporatist who is raising money from republicans, what makes anyone think that she will make progressive nominations?
If SCOTUS is your rationalization for supporting Clinton, it fails.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/16/us/thomas-confirmation-senate-confirms...
The recent gutting of the 4th Amendment by SCOTUS was the doing of a Bill Clinton nominee, Stephen Breyer.
Merrick Garland, Mr. Obama's current choice, is universally considered to be to the right of Scalia on crime issues.
The Vote Blue fear tactic is edentate and crumbles under scrutiny.
America has a system of checks and balances that has worked out fine for the past few centuries. The court is not the final word on anything. Erosion of rights is happening on a State level. All the Supreme Court does is decide if those laws are constitutional. Not "good" or "bad." What your state does can be undone.
But above that, what makes anyone think for a moment that a neoliberal like Clinton, a woman with the backing of most of the "W" administration, a Wall Street corporatist who is raising money from republicans, what makes anyone think that she will make progressive nominations?
If SCOTUS is your rationalization for supporting Clinton, it fails.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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So you're voting for HRC because of the Supreme Court but in the very next sentence you admit her flawed judgement lack of transparency?
What kind of people do you think she'll put on the Supreme Court?
What kind of people do you think she'll put on the Supreme Court?
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I'd like more information about alternative candidates but we're not going to see it in the major news outlets, so I wonder who young blacks are interested in voting for. There must be a reasonable candidate they would back, and if so, I hope they write in their votes, since this is a lost election all around in any case.
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The perfect should not be the enemy of the good. What is it 100% or nothing? That will get you much less than nothing if Trump wins. Get ready for a Trump ordered about face on civil and voting rights and an ultra conservative judicial system.
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I don't believe that would be true unless he goes "power hungry"as, unfortunately, Obama did and he runs amok with executive orders. I remember Obama criticizing Bush for executive orders and promising he would "never do such things". Hahaha!! Another good politician bites the dust!!
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Get ready for a trump-ordered about-face on civil and voting rights.
Let's start with voting. Trump will require voter ID. Voting without ID means anyone can vote in America even if they are not citizens. That means you don't have a country. Is that what you really want?
On civil rights. What do you imagine this turn-around could be? What do you think he would want in a civil rights decision that would not be good for blacks? How would an ultra-conservative judicial system work? Are you suggesting it would actually enforce our laws, as the current one is not doing? Is that a bad thing?
Let's start with voting. Trump will require voter ID. Voting without ID means anyone can vote in America even if they are not citizens. That means you don't have a country. Is that what you really want?
On civil rights. What do you imagine this turn-around could be? What do you think he would want in a civil rights decision that would not be good for blacks? How would an ultra-conservative judicial system work? Are you suggesting it would actually enforce our laws, as the current one is not doing? Is that a bad thing?
What we have here is known in street lingo as a, "trap off." A trap off is a forced choice where the lesser of two evils locks you into an undesirable bind further down the road.
In this case; a progressive voter is duty bound to vote for the worthless status quo hack Clinton, because of the more vile Trump. One's duty having been done, the craven and duplicitous Democrat Machine will surely, come 2020, not allow a proper progressive Democrat to run against Mrs Clinton. So a 21 year old Clinton voter will be almost 30 next time they have a choice. Knowing this as she surely does right now, Clinton will be under no pressure over her first term to pay any heed to the liberal Sanders people who she's co-opted in order to beat Trump. The net affect is like agreeing to taking small doses of poison over time to avoid risking a near fatal dose. You live, but at the price of being constantly sick.
So a liberal voter has to take stock of just how badly they wish to avoid being co-opted and made the fool. Conversely if Hillary goes down in flames there will be short term pain, but the message will be clear in 2020: Give me a Real Progressive Liberal.
In this case; a progressive voter is duty bound to vote for the worthless status quo hack Clinton, because of the more vile Trump. One's duty having been done, the craven and duplicitous Democrat Machine will surely, come 2020, not allow a proper progressive Democrat to run against Mrs Clinton. So a 21 year old Clinton voter will be almost 30 next time they have a choice. Knowing this as she surely does right now, Clinton will be under no pressure over her first term to pay any heed to the liberal Sanders people who she's co-opted in order to beat Trump. The net affect is like agreeing to taking small doses of poison over time to avoid risking a near fatal dose. You live, but at the price of being constantly sick.
So a liberal voter has to take stock of just how badly they wish to avoid being co-opted and made the fool. Conversely if Hillary goes down in flames there will be short term pain, but the message will be clear in 2020: Give me a Real Progressive Liberal.
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The critical element that Progressives don't seem to understand is the math. Progressives simply do not have the numbers to change anything. No matter how fervently they believe they are right, you still have to have a majority in the House and Senate. There seems to be two choices here. You can go off in a huff and sit in the corner and congratulate yourself on how very pure you are. Or you can deign to compromise a portion of your goals and join forces with the establishment to form a majority, and get some of what you want accomplished. And by working with the establishment little by little you may move them in your direction and get more and more of you want. Oh, and you might learn something in process. Idealism is great if you admire the adventures of Don Quixote, but pragmatism wins the day.
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Spitzer is right, and CK isn't. I think I can fairly describe myself as progressive, going back to FDR. Progressivism doesn't pop up and prevail because you're right (and, of course, I am). In our system it needs the votes, votes that have been lacking for much of the last 3/4 of a century. That's the reality, like it or not. Now, during most of that lengthy interval, I saw numerous candidates that I disagreed with in various degree, and none that I completely agreed with. This means at any given time doing the best one can with what's available. And, like it or not, that's life. Even for the 21 year old voter. I suspect CK doesn't know what a "real progressive liberal", one with the scars, even looks like.
Yes, progressives are too stupid to do math, gotcha. Way for you to show your instinct to denigrate from the start. In fact Progressives can vote for Congress and not Clinton and thereby avoid handing a Clinton the power to kill all hopes for the Democrat Party for the next eight years.
The huff is clearly on the part of tone deaf Clinton panderers shocked they can't get everyone to throw their ethics down the toilet. You want votes you don't deserve? Get them the old fashioned way, via compromise. Tell Clinton to do what she ought to do; take up most of the liberal positions demonstrated by Sanders huge crowds to be preferred by Liberal Americans.
The huff is clearly on the part of tone deaf Clinton panderers shocked they can't get everyone to throw their ethics down the toilet. You want votes you don't deserve? Get them the old fashioned way, via compromise. Tell Clinton to do what she ought to do; take up most of the liberal positions demonstrated by Sanders huge crowds to be preferred by Liberal Americans.
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As divided as our country is on so many things, it is actually reassuring that there is one thing that a majority of young African-Americans, old White people, Asians, Hispanics, Jews and Gentiles, Muslims and atheists, etc. all agree on: our major party candidates are terrible!
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Mrs. Clinton's first campaign speech on this was in 1996 when Bill was running for reelection and she spoke of super predictors without conscience or empathy that need to be brought “to heel.”
I know that voters are supposed to have shirt memories, but this one stuck.
Talking of super predictors helped Bill win the election in 1996. It's coming back to bite Hillary twenty years later.
I know that voters are supposed to have shirt memories, but this one stuck.
Talking of super predictors helped Bill win the election in 1996. It's coming back to bite Hillary twenty years later.
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Wow, eveeyone seems to know whats best for all the young voters who are black. Apparently Hillary and her kind and generous heart will help the young black voters. Really ? Sure young voters supported Bernie. Why not, everything is given to them for free. Hillary will grasp that concept before its over. Yes Hillary is for gun control, just like most Democrats. They kinda like anythimg they can control. Cherry picking statistics and playing on people's emotions in order sell people on your policies, will only only assure more gun violence is in our future. News flash people. There is no such thing as " common sense gun laws ". How many problems are solved by only focusing on a symptom? As for Hillary and the rest of the Democrats, will they suddenly change and help not only young black citizens but all of our citizens who are black? Well if history is any inductor I doubt it. They will make new laws until until they have control of our daily lives. They will create an even larger government. And of course they will raise taxes to pay for it. So higher taxes. Wait, could "progressive" be similar to "socialist " that is the same as "communist ?? Think about it. Oh wait, thats not allowed. As the King has said.
Lets " Hope " for "Change".. The Democrats haven't helped yet. Hillary cares about two things.. HILLARY AND $$$$$
Lets " Hope " for "Change".. The Democrats haven't helped yet. Hillary cares about two things.. HILLARY AND $$$$$
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The government worshiping "progressives" can never have too much government. In their ideal world, everyone would work for their great god government or at least for a non-profit but never for an evil for-profit entity, just like in the old Soviet Union and we all know how well that worked out don't we?
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So, my young black brothers and sisters: you would prefer a racist who surrounds himself with Klan supporters waving Confederate flags? Do you have any sense of history? Do some research on Hillary Clinton and you see someone who for decades has fought for minorities and especially for women and children. Do not be bamboozled.
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Well said.
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She may have fought for "minorities and children" -- 25 years ago. In the past 25, since she's been in any position to really do anything, she's fought for herself and $. To keep alleging anything else is an insult to our intelligence as voters. What matters is what she will do NOW, which is hold the fort for the oligarchy. She has already collected the money. Now she will deliver.
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I respect your opinion Mr. Dou. But I do believe with her experience she is the best choice for president. I do not begrudge her or President Clinton their wealth. You remember, they left the White house tens of millions of dollars in debt defending some legitimate lawsuits and some that were purely spiteful. In any case we shall see what happens. Until then I do wish you all the best. We are all Americans.
“Nobody has seen an agenda for African-American millennials. I don’t think they believe she cares about them.”
I haven't seen a specific agenda for my particular subgroup of a subgroup either, yet somehow I am willing to make a great leap of faith (based on nothing but history, facts and the candidates' own statements) and bet that Hillary Clinton will be a better president for me and my country than Donald Trump. It's too bad some folks think they need an engraved personal invitation to vote for the non-crazy non-racist.
I haven't seen a specific agenda for my particular subgroup of a subgroup either, yet somehow I am willing to make a great leap of faith (based on nothing but history, facts and the candidates' own statements) and bet that Hillary Clinton will be a better president for me and my country than Donald Trump. It's too bad some folks think they need an engraved personal invitation to vote for the non-crazy non-racist.
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Sounds like many blacks are ready to tear down the Democratic Party plantations ...
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Why should blacks of any age support any Democrat? More than all other Americans, blacks pay the price of globalization and illegal immigration, jobs shipped overseas or filled by frightened, exploited illegals working for a pittance. The corporations and the 1% rake in vast profits while the working class rake in food stamps and Chinese plastic gewgaws that television tells us we need. Both parties are owned by the wealthy, but only the Democrats explicitly promise the continued decline of working class citizens by warmly welcoming those we are now told to call 'migrants'. No amount of Democrat pandering about systemic racism fools anyone when they simultaneously claim that illegal immigration does not hurt unemployed and underpaid citizens of all colors.
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Berkeley? Really? Can you say this out loud there?
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"Why should blacks of any age support any Democrat?".....Because you change things by working from the inside, and you remember that for far too many Republicans Obama was born in Kenya.
What does this "trust" business actually mean, related to Hillary? the media keep harping on it, which may lead to the public buying it. It is part of the relentless right-wing harangues against Hillary, bearing fruit in polls.
Liberals can trust Hillary to appoint liberal Supreme Court justices who will fight to retain and expand the civil rights that were won in the 1960s and that Republicans want to roll back.
Liberals can trust Hillary to appoint liberal Supreme Court justices who will fight to retain and expand the civil rights that were won in the 1960s and that Republicans want to roll back.
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I completely understand that millennials of all skin hues do not take kindly to the preaching (advice) of those who have been down the pike (elderly), so let's forget history. I suggest a more mundane and singular consideration: Self interest.
In a couple of months there will be a national decision, Trump or Hillary. The decision one must make is not one that makes you feel fuzzy good, but which of the two candidates, over the long term (no, not tomorrow), is more likely to advance (no, not wholly accommodate), or allow to advance, one's self interests.
In this context there is one important and commonly expressed view that is clearly false, namely, that there's no difference between the candidates. Well, yes, there is a difference, and millennials, in their own self interest, had better get that straight -- and right. After all, barring premature death, it's their self interest that's mostly at stake.
In a couple of months there will be a national decision, Trump or Hillary. The decision one must make is not one that makes you feel fuzzy good, but which of the two candidates, over the long term (no, not tomorrow), is more likely to advance (no, not wholly accommodate), or allow to advance, one's self interests.
In this context there is one important and commonly expressed view that is clearly false, namely, that there's no difference between the candidates. Well, yes, there is a difference, and millennials, in their own self interest, had better get that straight -- and right. After all, barring premature death, it's their self interest that's mostly at stake.
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Blacks turned out in record numbers, to support Obama. News flash: HRC is not black (even if she occasionally uses a black accent). Young African-Americans may not vote for Trump, but that doesn't mean they'll go out of their way to support her.
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It is very obvious that there is a colossal difference between the two leading presidential candidates. Hillary Clinton is superior to Donald Trump in almost every way, and the Democratic Party is superior to the Republican Party on almost any issue of importance to progressives. So millennials can just keep waiting for that mythical perfect candidate with a chance to win anything that just doesn't happen to exist in this election and end up with nothing at all. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can understand that.
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Anyone who thinks the recalcitrance of a few younger voters will have any influence on the votes or enthusiasm of the overwhelming majority of black voters must be enjoying all the benefits of visiting Colorado.
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HRC is a lawyer. The legal people are the problem not the solution. Engineers and technician are the future, not wordsmiths. More prisons and useless laws meant to make us dummies.. The scam right now is that they will decriminalize marijuana. What they mean by decriminalization is more legal fees, another reason for denying people jobs and having to write confessions that you inhaled decades ago. It's not like getting rid of prohibition. The thing will twist and turn like a snake. The nation has two psychopaths running for POTUS.
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"Engineers and technician are the future, not wordsmiths."
We certainly can use more engineers, scientists, doctors and technicians, and far fewer lawyers and bureaucrats. Perhaps there should be a law that says no lawyer can hold any elected office other than judge or district attorney due to an inherent conflict of interest between those who write the lay and those who interpret it.
We certainly can use more engineers, scientists, doctors and technicians, and far fewer lawyers and bureaucrats. Perhaps there should be a law that says no lawyer can hold any elected office other than judge or district attorney due to an inherent conflict of interest between those who write the lay and those who interpret it.
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Maybe too many have seen "Clinton Cash" on Youtube.
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We aren't just stuck with HRC or Trump!! Let's break this "pick your poison"
Cycle and elect a third party canidate!!!
I am voting for Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party), but with African Americans Dr Jill Stein (Green Party) is their dream canidate if they will read where she stands on the issues that effect them!!!!!!
Cycle and elect a third party canidate!!!
I am voting for Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party), but with African Americans Dr Jill Stein (Green Party) is their dream canidate if they will read where she stands on the issues that effect them!!!!!!
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Go ahead and vote for Johnson, but remember that the next two or three Supreme Court justices will be picked by either HRC or Trump. And those Supreme Court justices will probably be sitting on the bench for the next 30 years.
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Gary Johnson? How many people know what he stands for. Here are some worrisome ones:
- Abolish the IRS.
- opposes Obamacare
- Privatize Social Security
- Make retirement age 75. (It may work for white collar workers pushing papers behind a desk, bur how about the workers that do physical labor how are their bodies going to hold at 75. Also poor and minority workers tend to die younger and will collect less (or not at all) in Social Sec. payments than richer workers
- he opposes gun control of any kind.
- Abolish the IRS.
- opposes Obamacare
- Privatize Social Security
- Make retirement age 75. (It may work for white collar workers pushing papers behind a desk, bur how about the workers that do physical labor how are their bodies going to hold at 75. Also poor and minority workers tend to die younger and will collect less (or not at all) in Social Sec. payments than richer workers
- he opposes gun control of any kind.
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OK, Jonathan Martin, I'll bite. Trumplethinskin's numbers are minuscule among young blacks. You claim they're deeply skeptical of Hillary. They sure weren't supporting Bernie. OK, Times writer, who ARE they for?
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What makes you so sure? As typical, black Americans strongly supported the democratic establishment's favorite candidate in the primaries (possibly because of risk-aversion). But compared to the whole group or any of its demographic subgroups. young blacks did tend to support Bernie over Hillary..... unfortunately not enough it seems.
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Carl, well the Times political Hack-a-Shaq team, among whose members is Martin, never tired of telling us that Sanders had little to no black support. In fact, they called Hillary's black support a firewall at one point. Now it's in question? Sorry, but they're trying to create news, which has been the fatal weakness of the coverage from the beginning of the cycle, which the Times pegged at February, 2013, when they assigned Amy Chozick to a dedicated Hillary beat.
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If elected, Donald Trump will eviscerate civility and fan the flames of racism.
Is there anything else that any reasonable human being would need to consider this November?
Is there anything else that any reasonable human being would need to consider this November?
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Yes. A far more balanced and thoughtful assessment than this.
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WCD ... just exactly what more "fair and balanced" (let alone "thoughtful") assessment do you have to offer?
Let's hear something, anything at all, that is more rational than "what do you have to lose?"
Let's hear something, anything at all, that is more rational than "what do you have to lose?"
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@dude
The assessment is clearly reflective of the racist hyperbole that comes out of Trump's mouth....But if you don't hear it, that's something else.
The assessment is clearly reflective of the racist hyperbole that comes out of Trump's mouth....But if you don't hear it, that's something else.
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I think it's pretty awful that the Democratic party is assuming the black population is dumb enough to keep voting for the party that keeps them living in squalor. They assume blacks will never rise above it.
"Mrs. Clinton is sure to dominate Mr. Trump among black voters..."
"Mrs. Clinton is sure to dominate Mr. Trump among black voters..."
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And the Republican Party has done what exactly?
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That is the Establishment Republican party you are referring to. We are voting for an anti-Establishment Republican candidate.
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I guess democrats have been taking for granted the black vote for too long.
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YES! BLACKS for TRUMP!
The first orange president.
The first orange president.
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Interesting that Hillary and her campaign staff are using outdated methods in their approach to young black Americans, an approach which is at the same time dreadfully patronizing. It is telling that she seems singularly inept with technology (given the messy details of the email scandal!) and out of sync in ways which Obama was not. This goes equally for her idea of America's role in world affairs, an archaic mix of Cold War encirclement and 19th century gunboat diplomacy.
She, like Trump, also exhibits sociopathic lapses of international etiquette, such as her comments on the murder of Muhammar Gaddafi, or her shamelessly self-aggrandizing lie regarding coming under fire in Bosnia. Meanwhile, this largely media-driven invention of Trump's "racism" is a good old-fashioned piece of politically correct propaganda, which has yet to be backed up with anything more than over-sensitive liberal hyperbole! Xenophobia is NOT racism, and this seems to be a better description.
When Trump talks about "dystopian hellscapes" he speaks far more honestly and truthfully than futile statements like "...we share their goals, we share their values...” (directly implying that, in fact, they do NOT share "their" hardships!). Bluntness has the virtue of demanding the listener "take it or leave it", and doesn't travel in more than one direction. Vacillation, and unwillingness to meaningfully commit to the larger narrative, and in step with events being played out, is rightly seen as duplicity!
She, like Trump, also exhibits sociopathic lapses of international etiquette, such as her comments on the murder of Muhammar Gaddafi, or her shamelessly self-aggrandizing lie regarding coming under fire in Bosnia. Meanwhile, this largely media-driven invention of Trump's "racism" is a good old-fashioned piece of politically correct propaganda, which has yet to be backed up with anything more than over-sensitive liberal hyperbole! Xenophobia is NOT racism, and this seems to be a better description.
When Trump talks about "dystopian hellscapes" he speaks far more honestly and truthfully than futile statements like "...we share their goals, we share their values...” (directly implying that, in fact, they do NOT share "their" hardships!). Bluntness has the virtue of demanding the listener "take it or leave it", and doesn't travel in more than one direction. Vacillation, and unwillingness to meaningfully commit to the larger narrative, and in step with events being played out, is rightly seen as duplicity!
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Matt you should stay in France and vote for La Penn. if you return to the US perhaps you should actually visit and see how real people live not the crazy nonexistent world that Trump is talking about to his supporters.
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I am not American, nor am I a Trump supporter. Marine Le Penn and the Front Nationale hold no fascination for me either, even if I could vote for them (I am not French!). I don't know who these "real people" are you are referring to, nor why you think they are any more "real" than anyone else in the world, or more importantly why you think my opinion (which you have clearly missed the point of) matters less than your "real" ideas. The article is about Hillary Clinton, and her apparent failure to connect with young black Americans, a possibly key demographic for her if she is to win. The question is why, the answer seems to be that they don't trust her. Neither do I, and that should be evident in my comment. Would you care to address that opinion rather than attack the messenger?
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Of course trump is talking about a non-existent world. That is the whole point. He is anti-establishment. The existent world is run by the establishment.
Whether his projected world is "crazy" is a matter of opinion. I happen to think it is far saner than having sanctuary cities that protect released alien criminals into the general population instead of returning them home and keeping them out of here. That's 85,000 released into our cities in the last 3 years. You find that sane?
Whether his projected world is "crazy" is a matter of opinion. I happen to think it is far saner than having sanctuary cities that protect released alien criminals into the general population instead of returning them home and keeping them out of here. That's 85,000 released into our cities in the last 3 years. You find that sane?
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“because the conversation that younger black voters are having is no longer one about settling on a candidate who is better than the alternative.”
If you don't pick either Trump or Hillary, you are essentially saying:
"I do want that old fat white guy to decide for me."
The old fat white guy is me and have no doubt that I will select who I consider to be the lesser evil between these two candidates.
If you don't pick either Trump or Hillary, you are essentially saying:
"I do want that old fat white guy to decide for me."
The old fat white guy is me and have no doubt that I will select who I consider to be the lesser evil between these two candidates.
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I feel lucky to have a candidate in Clinton that is demonstrably so MUCH "better than the alternative". I'm disheartened to read these views of reactive and seemingly chosen ignorance. A man who openly discriminated against blacks in his real estate empire, then disobeyed direct orders to fix that when he was sued by US Justice Dept. versus a woman who cut her teeth on Civil Rights (when she was younger than Ms. Packnett) are not equal. The attitude inherent here is, indeed, "What the hell do you have to lose? as expressed so "eloquently" by the KKK-revered Trump. Trump will figuratively stab AND shoot you. Young blacks sit out this election to all our peril.
Especially their own.
Especially their own.
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"A man who openly discriminated against blacks in his real estate empire, "
That was the father, not the son. And it was half a century ago.
That was the father, not the son. And it was half a century ago.
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Many blacks cite experiences of discrimination and/or being singled out for perceived or minor infractions.
Then they see Hillary with scandal after scandal, lying over and over, and getting away with no FBI recommendation for prosecution or DOJ investigations. If there were ever a contest for egregious cases of white privilege, Hillary would win hands down.
SO.......NYT, when are we going to read all those articles about Hillary's THIRTEEN DEVICES when she claimed to use only one device "for convenience"? At least one of her devices was hammered by one of her aides. She sent a laptop with ALL her SOS emails IN THE MAIL, not a personal courier, and lo and behold, IT GOT LOST! On purpose maybe? Or is it still out there somewhere?
Face it, NYT, your candidate is stupid, corrupt, reckless, and just downright annoying. God help us if she gets into the Oval Office. The whole US will be running on the pay to play system.
Then they see Hillary with scandal after scandal, lying over and over, and getting away with no FBI recommendation for prosecution or DOJ investigations. If there were ever a contest for egregious cases of white privilege, Hillary would win hands down.
SO.......NYT, when are we going to read all those articles about Hillary's THIRTEEN DEVICES when she claimed to use only one device "for convenience"? At least one of her devices was hammered by one of her aides. She sent a laptop with ALL her SOS emails IN THE MAIL, not a personal courier, and lo and behold, IT GOT LOST! On purpose maybe? Or is it still out there somewhere?
Face it, NYT, your candidate is stupid, corrupt, reckless, and just downright annoying. God help us if she gets into the Oval Office. The whole US will be running on the pay to play system.
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@ivy
If you aren't Black -- it's hard to imagine how you can talk for them.
And if you are Black, you should know that voting for Donald Trump, who is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan! -- is going to make sure you lose EVERYTHING!
If you aren't Black -- it's hard to imagine how you can talk for them.
And if you are Black, you should know that voting for Donald Trump, who is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan! -- is going to make sure you lose EVERYTHING!
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What Hillary Clinton got away with is infinitesimal compared to what George W. Bush got away with.
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IF Dems were to make a new country today would it be anything close to America with all of what we haveNazi is National Socialist like todays Dems.
"We are socialists,we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries,with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of resposibility and performance,and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Adolf Hitler May 1,1927
And the Democrat Party calls the Republicans Nazis
Always trying to rewrite HISTORY for all of U.S.
The KKK was founded by Democrats as well.? Read this and see for your self
"We are socialists,we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries,with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of resposibility and performance,and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Adolf Hitler May 1,1927
And the Democrat Party calls the Republicans Nazis
Always trying to rewrite HISTORY for all of U.S.
The KKK was founded by Democrats as well.? Read this and see for your self
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@paul
It would help if you weren't stuck in the past.
The Democrat Party has changed significantly since its inception, which is why it today boasts a far larger membership of Black voters than the G.O.P.
Another thing.
The KKK is supporting the REPUBLICAN candidate...remember???
It would help if you weren't stuck in the past.
The Democrat Party has changed significantly since its inception, which is why it today boasts a far larger membership of Black voters than the G.O.P.
Another thing.
The KKK is supporting the REPUBLICAN candidate...remember???
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She is well short of perfect for Americans of any colour, bot for pete's sake what do you think you'll get from the alternative? He'll take you to Scotland and let you caddy for him before fixing his dinner!
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It's a new day,....politicians have to think long and hard before even addressing the young black voters in this country, ( they are not all gangbangers ).
Do not patronize or give us empty promises, give and show us something tangible.!!!!!
Do not patronize or give us empty promises, give and show us something tangible.!!!!!
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Hillary is in a bubble and needs to walk neighborhoods more. A little more RFK and a little less celebrity. She could have picked a more relatable VP. Kaine is a nice guy but innocuous. She should have picked a young male minority as her counterpart and would have balanced her ticket. I think young minorities are just reflecting back her bad counsel.
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You mean neighborhoods like Flint?
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@macmullen
Have you even read Clinton's CV, or know who Marian Wright Edelman is???
I suggest you Google it.
Another thing.
Picking a "young male minority" would have been as patronizing as this comment is.
Have you even read Clinton's CV, or know who Marian Wright Edelman is???
I suggest you Google it.
Another thing.
Picking a "young male minority" would have been as patronizing as this comment is.
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"young minority male" is a description--it is not patronizing--and I suggest you "Google" Marian Wright Edelman and where her flowing endorsements are of Hillary..............
I hope these young people are all intending to sign affidavits promising us Hillary voters that we won't have to listen to even one word of complaint from them about anything the Trump administration does after the election.
If David Duke shows up to a White House dinner, for example, you're all going to keep your lips zipped, right? Because of course Hillary might have done the same thing.
If David Duke shows up to a White House dinner, for example, you're all going to keep your lips zipped, right? Because of course Hillary might have done the same thing.
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The grandmaster KKK wizard Robert Byrd graced his presence with Hillary many times over already. Who's the racist?
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Black Americans are really stuck during his election. The Clinton's have consistently manipulated them over the past quarter of a century and then when it came time to help them as a demographic, they sucker punched them with lose banking regulations and harsh 'predatory' racist statutes that will affect black generations to come.
Maybe Trump is right: 'What do you have to lose?' At least you know who your working with -- with Clinton, you'll get more of the same. It looks like Trump can learn - Clinton only knows about $$$ so unless you vote the other way, you are guaranteed to lose again.
If you're black in America though you've been programed to vote for them. God help you this time around.
Maybe Trump is right: 'What do you have to lose?' At least you know who your working with -- with Clinton, you'll get more of the same. It looks like Trump can learn - Clinton only knows about $$$ so unless you vote the other way, you are guaranteed to lose again.
If you're black in America though you've been programed to vote for them. God help you this time around.
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Hey you young Black kids---you better listen to your betters at the New York Times and stop resisting things like thinking for yourselves. Or voting for your own interests, even if it means not slavishly voting for Democrats.
Man, I can't believe even the NYT can, with a straight face, publish a condescending article like this one.
But, at any rate, you Black kids---you all stay on the Liberal Plantation, you hear?
Man, I can't believe even the NYT can, with a straight face, publish a condescending article like this one.
But, at any rate, you Black kids---you all stay on the Liberal Plantation, you hear?
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@tom
This comment has far too many patronizing references to take it seriously.
And if anything, makes it clear why NO Black person should ever vote for a candidate endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
This comment has far too many patronizing references to take it seriously.
And if anything, makes it clear why NO Black person should ever vote for a candidate endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
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It absolutely kills me how millenials are quoted in this article saying Hillary is a liar. The lies of the Republican hate machine are working. Research if you don't believe me: Whitewater: official finding--"no wrongdoing." Benghazi: 5 congressional inquiries turned up nothing. The Clinton Foundation: the ethics lawyer of George W. Bush wrote in this paper that there is no pay to play. Vince Foster: outrageous lies. But as Goebbels the Nazi proved, if you repeat a lie long enough people will believe it's true.
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Sniper fire?
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Godwin's Law in action.
Goebbels did far more than just repeat stereotypes about Jews. It's true that both Trump and Clinton campaigns invoke fear mongering (i.e. fear of immigrants, fear of Trump, etc.) and that the Clintons often act victimized by right wing groups conspiring against them. But, in my view, the sophisticated propaganda from authorities in our government and the media that have been supporting Hillary Clinton's campaign are far closer to Goebbels' world than any attempts by Trump to CHANGE public opinion (which are few). He's more of a classic demagogue.
Youn Black Americans....GET IT....THEY will be voting for D Trump in November...Sorry Hillary and Dems....the tides are chaning and your long term hold id about to dissapear.
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The headline for this article is click-bait only. NYT had an unfavorable article about Trump, ergo, they must publish one about Clinton - even if it must be invented.
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I truly hate to say this, but they have themselves (in part) to blame for this. The terrible options we now have were very predictable six months ago and could have been avoided if more young blacks drew attention during the primaries to the corruption of the Clintons and the democratic establishment - including many black politicians (particularly in the south). Unfortunately, Nina Turner, Cornel West and Killer Mike were exceptions and not the rule. The Clintons used support from the DNC and the black establishment, as well as their control of mainstream media, to parlay a series of narrow victories into the democratic nomination - and here we are today. You might detect a little frustration in this Bernie supporter.....
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Amen. Hillary supporters own this one.
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"The conversation... is no longer one about settling on a candidate who is better than the alternative."
Really? That's strange. Voting for the better candidate is what I do every time I go to the polls...
Millennials know how to use the internet, so I'm always confused when that say they don't know where Hillary stands on certain issues, when her position is stated clearly and in detail on her website and in her speeches which anyone can watch on YouTube.
Really? That's strange. Voting for the better candidate is what I do every time I go to the polls...
Millennials know how to use the internet, so I'm always confused when that say they don't know where Hillary stands on certain issues, when her position is stated clearly and in detail on her website and in her speeches which anyone can watch on YouTube.
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Unfortunately a system of two large parties, both the aggregates of a great many state and local political groupings and specific interests, will always offer two imperfect, compromised (in several senses), unsatisfying candidates. Some years, the choice will be worse than others -- and that's the case in 2016. But that two-party system is ingrained in our system of representation, our electoral and political finance laws, the habits and instincts of the electorate, and the distribution of lobby groups. In other words, it isn't going away, Libertarian and Green fantasies to the contrary notwithstanding. Staying home because the less objectionable candidates isn't perfect is a fine way to elect the one you *really* don't want.
As for those pushing a third-party vote: if presidents who have the backing of just one party in Congress have troubles getting things done, what makes you think that a president backed by no party (and having antagonized major segments of both) will be any more successful?
As for those pushing a third-party vote: if presidents who have the backing of just one party in Congress have troubles getting things done, what makes you think that a president backed by no party (and having antagonized major segments of both) will be any more successful?
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I'm glad young blacks are more skeptical about Hillary Clinton than the older generation.
Democrats have lied to blacks for decades with promises galore but nothing ever changes. Maybe now is the time to hold the party they have unquestionably supported for so long accountable. Lets's hope so.
African-Americans have every right to be skeptical of Hillary. The Clintons championed discriminatory "three strikes" laws against formerly incarcerated people that have kept millions of Americans locked in a cycle of poverty and desperation. Generations of young African Americans have been lost to the prison system because of the Clintons while they both profited tremendously from the private prison industrial complex.
Instead of supporting BLM he she has them escorted out of her millionaires' fundraisers, instead of marching with them, like Jill Stein, Hillary spent August raising money from the über-rich.
However, the lack of support among young blacks is not surprising. The Democratic coalition depends heavily on youth support, and who do they nominate? The anti-millennial status quo candidate.
Even getting back to pre-Obama Black voting for Republican candidates will hurt Hillary significantly and Trump's numbers can only go up in the coming weeks while hers seem on a downward trajectory.
The Democrats have nobody to blame than themselves this November if Hillary loses, which - as crazy as that sounds running against Donald Trump!!!- is still a reasonable possibility.
Democrats have lied to blacks for decades with promises galore but nothing ever changes. Maybe now is the time to hold the party they have unquestionably supported for so long accountable. Lets's hope so.
African-Americans have every right to be skeptical of Hillary. The Clintons championed discriminatory "three strikes" laws against formerly incarcerated people that have kept millions of Americans locked in a cycle of poverty and desperation. Generations of young African Americans have been lost to the prison system because of the Clintons while they both profited tremendously from the private prison industrial complex.
Instead of supporting BLM he she has them escorted out of her millionaires' fundraisers, instead of marching with them, like Jill Stein, Hillary spent August raising money from the über-rich.
However, the lack of support among young blacks is not surprising. The Democratic coalition depends heavily on youth support, and who do they nominate? The anti-millennial status quo candidate.
Even getting back to pre-Obama Black voting for Republican candidates will hurt Hillary significantly and Trump's numbers can only go up in the coming weeks while hers seem on a downward trajectory.
The Democrats have nobody to blame than themselves this November if Hillary loses, which - as crazy as that sounds running against Donald Trump!!!- is still a reasonable possibility.
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@chris
It's time to put down the Kool-Aid and pick up an American History book if you don't know what Democrats have done for Black people in America.
Another thing.
No self-respecting, intelligent Black person of any age would ever vote for a card-carrying racist like Donald Trump.
It's time to put down the Kool-Aid and pick up an American History book if you don't know what Democrats have done for Black people in America.
Another thing.
No self-respecting, intelligent Black person of any age would ever vote for a card-carrying racist like Donald Trump.
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"if you don't know what Democrats have done for Black people" -- condescending and inaccurate much? Most of the stuff "done for black people" was done BY black people, many of them martyrs, including Dr. King, Malcolm X, etc.
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Millennials of all races please heed the following.
It's popular to claim that Trump is the GOP's own Frankenstein's monster creation, and I agree, but it falls short. The GOP over the past 40 years didn't just create one F's monster; They created tens of millions of little F's monsters and they are all voting and they will put Donald Trump in the White House if you all don't go out and do whatever it takes to pull Hillary's switch.
There is no convincing Trump's Frankensteins to the obvious; They react not to reason, truth, what's good for the country, pleading, facts, nothing. On they come, voting for Trump, unstoppable, impenetrable, remorseless. They are coming November 8 even if you don't.
It's popular to claim that Trump is the GOP's own Frankenstein's monster creation, and I agree, but it falls short. The GOP over the past 40 years didn't just create one F's monster; They created tens of millions of little F's monsters and they are all voting and they will put Donald Trump in the White House if you all don't go out and do whatever it takes to pull Hillary's switch.
There is no convincing Trump's Frankensteins to the obvious; They react not to reason, truth, what's good for the country, pleading, facts, nothing. On they come, voting for Trump, unstoppable, impenetrable, remorseless. They are coming November 8 even if you don't.
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“Tell us what your plan is to make our life better.” What a foolish and selfish way of gauging candidates for the highest office in the land! The President is not elected so that he or she can do something for YOU. The President is elected to serve and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. That means a hell of a lot more than making any individual or groups life better.
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But too many Americans are suffering -- because of policies enacted by the government, policies, which, for the most part, are designed to help the rich -- not the people.
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it's hard to believe this phenomenon is limited to young
African Americans. Surely young white voters, especially
young women voters, also haven't yet gotten their head
around the stark alternative staring them in the face.
Comparable losses of enthusiasm were also behind the electoral disaster of 2010. The lesson learned by their parents that you do not gain power in this society by standing on
principle outside the election booth has not, apparently been
successfully transmitted. It is a woefully simplistic
and completely self defeating expression of a civic sense all too
common among young voters of any race that equates Clinton's evident faults
with il duce's deep pathology, and thereby justifies a passive withdrawal away from the choice that must be made, not escaped from.
One subject that has to be focused upon is that the choice
does not merely reduce to the presidency. It includes the
thousands of direct appointees to positions of regulatory and
administrative power that the new president signs off on, based
upon the decisions made by a trusted staff. Younger voters need to realize that the people appointed
by il duce's decision makers will be full fledged denizens of an alternative and very hostile universe to their own. They will have NO sympathy,
even less than their chief, for any of the major social
challenges confronting young voters. This is especially so for
all minorities given the nativist white core that would
have elected il duce.
African Americans. Surely young white voters, especially
young women voters, also haven't yet gotten their head
around the stark alternative staring them in the face.
Comparable losses of enthusiasm were also behind the electoral disaster of 2010. The lesson learned by their parents that you do not gain power in this society by standing on
principle outside the election booth has not, apparently been
successfully transmitted. It is a woefully simplistic
and completely self defeating expression of a civic sense all too
common among young voters of any race that equates Clinton's evident faults
with il duce's deep pathology, and thereby justifies a passive withdrawal away from the choice that must be made, not escaped from.
One subject that has to be focused upon is that the choice
does not merely reduce to the presidency. It includes the
thousands of direct appointees to positions of regulatory and
administrative power that the new president signs off on, based
upon the decisions made by a trusted staff. Younger voters need to realize that the people appointed
by il duce's decision makers will be full fledged denizens of an alternative and very hostile universe to their own. They will have NO sympathy,
even less than their chief, for any of the major social
challenges confronting young voters. This is especially so for
all minorities given the nativist white core that would
have elected il duce.
Hillary Clinton's desultory uninspiring campaign will gasp into November on the hope that revulsion over Donald Trump will win the day for her. She has spent the last month avoiding the public and hanging out with rich campaign contributors. She has always been the candidate of the insiders and the status quo.
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If any of these young people would consider a Trump presidency as being in anyone's best interest other than trump himself , we need to do a better job teaching History, Psychology and the Humanities.
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Krugman writes today of "Goring" Mrs. Clinton.
The Times should look more closely at its own historic complicity in assisting Al Gore's defeat (remember the articles on his new earth-tone clothing?! The constant complaints about his 'stiffness'? All that coverage of down-to-earth Bush? So completely fair and balanced...)
And then, of course, there is Judith Miller and WMD. That worked out well.
So now, when faced with an election that could potentially determine the fate of this country, if not the world, the Times is telling us that young people of color (as a distinct category from Young People) have "doubts" about Mrs. Clinton.
As an old person, apparently colorless, I see a pattern here: The 'flawed' candidate, meeting with the Ultrarich!
How is that different from any Republican candidate since Goldwater?
When you fire this gun, over and over, can you see your feet that you are pointing towards, or do you need your reading glasses?
The Times should look more closely at its own historic complicity in assisting Al Gore's defeat (remember the articles on his new earth-tone clothing?! The constant complaints about his 'stiffness'? All that coverage of down-to-earth Bush? So completely fair and balanced...)
And then, of course, there is Judith Miller and WMD. That worked out well.
So now, when faced with an election that could potentially determine the fate of this country, if not the world, the Times is telling us that young people of color (as a distinct category from Young People) have "doubts" about Mrs. Clinton.
As an old person, apparently colorless, I see a pattern here: The 'flawed' candidate, meeting with the Ultrarich!
How is that different from any Republican candidate since Goldwater?
When you fire this gun, over and over, can you see your feet that you are pointing towards, or do you need your reading glasses?
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To all who hungry for change I'll say this.
Change is happening and it's coming always.
Don't worry about Ms. Clinton so much.
She is a placeholder. A more friendly presence in the White House than any Republican could be - especially Trump!
So, since we need a president, and since, as sure as sunrise, it will be either him of her, it's a no brainer - pick her.
Think:
It's the people who always push the agenda.
- Occupy movement got the entire country using the phrase "the 1%" (even conservatives) and that easily grasped concept has driven political discussion for several years. There would be no $15 minimum without that saying and all it means to the masses.
- Gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, Black Lives Matter. Bottom up movements. Of course! Did we expect politicians to get out in front of such things? We lead them (and the courts) always! They follow the masses, get it?
- the environmental movement.
- the movement against big money politics. Trust me the people will win. It's coming.
The president - and our reps - can either be an ally (even if a reluctant one) or an outright roadblock. Better to have a mostly sane, smart ally in there.
Again, Clinton, like any president can be at best a change maker or at least a placeholder who does not go backward.
If you think Trump and his ultra-right, ultra-greedy, ultra-dangerous cabal is the best choice you are ultra-delusional.
One of them WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
Supreme Court anyone?
Change is happening and it's coming always.
Don't worry about Ms. Clinton so much.
She is a placeholder. A more friendly presence in the White House than any Republican could be - especially Trump!
So, since we need a president, and since, as sure as sunrise, it will be either him of her, it's a no brainer - pick her.
Think:
It's the people who always push the agenda.
- Occupy movement got the entire country using the phrase "the 1%" (even conservatives) and that easily grasped concept has driven political discussion for several years. There would be no $15 minimum without that saying and all it means to the masses.
- Gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, Black Lives Matter. Bottom up movements. Of course! Did we expect politicians to get out in front of such things? We lead them (and the courts) always! They follow the masses, get it?
- the environmental movement.
- the movement against big money politics. Trust me the people will win. It's coming.
The president - and our reps - can either be an ally (even if a reluctant one) or an outright roadblock. Better to have a mostly sane, smart ally in there.
Again, Clinton, like any president can be at best a change maker or at least a placeholder who does not go backward.
If you think Trump and his ultra-right, ultra-greedy, ultra-dangerous cabal is the best choice you are ultra-delusional.
One of them WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
Supreme Court anyone?
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I just watched Ken Burns' documentary about Huey Long, made in 1985. Y'all should watch it, again. It's uncannily familiar.
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Whoever is heading the political section in the NYT seems to hate Hillary Clinton. On Saturday the two headlines on the front page regarding the election where: " Hillary Woos the Ultra Rich" while "Trump Visits an African- American Church."
Today this awkward article about skepticism among young black voters.
It's almost as if the NYT tries to help Trump. That's not balanced reporting. That's supporting a sociopath.
Today this awkward article about skepticism among young black voters.
It's almost as if the NYT tries to help Trump. That's not balanced reporting. That's supporting a sociopath.
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Why are select articles opened for comments, where others there is no comment button?
Anywho. President Obama and Michelle coming out in the battle ground states rallying for Hillary Clinton will get the vote out from minorities like myself. Young and Old.
Anywho. President Obama and Michelle coming out in the battle ground states rallying for Hillary Clinton will get the vote out from minorities like myself. Young and Old.
Minorities are responsible this season for foisting Clinton on us, in the face of the most honest progressive American candidate since Nader. Black and Latino America, go look in the mirror, this election cycle you are your own worst enemy, and not doing the general public any good either.
Minorities clamor to put the name brand Hillary Clinton before the Honest Man Bernie Sanders is as ugly and egregious a violation of election logic as White Working People voting for the intellectually daft race baiter Ron Reagan.
Vote against your own interests America, we have a tradition to preserve!
Minorities clamor to put the name brand Hillary Clinton before the Honest Man Bernie Sanders is as ugly and egregious a violation of election logic as White Working People voting for the intellectually daft race baiter Ron Reagan.
Vote against your own interests America, we have a tradition to preserve!
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Really??? -- Well, your reasoning is a clear example of WHY Sanders lost the Black & non-White electorate to begin with.
He didn't connect with them ..... then, blamed them for it.
Just like you are doing now.
Really??? -- Well, your reasoning is a clear example of WHY Sanders lost the Black & non-White electorate to begin with.
He didn't connect with them ..... then, blamed them for it.
Just like you are doing now.
Haha yes, "connect"! Sure! A liberal progressive plan that speaks harsh truth to deaf Wall St power, to uplift this nation and redirect it toward greater equality in education and infrastructure as not seen since FDR, why should that "connect" with minorities?
Vs a Wall St panderer surrounded by sycophants and political hangers-on and a DNC with the fix in, a craven political hack who's traded integrity for gain her whole life (see, "No One Left to Lie To" by Christopher Hitchens) why would that not "connect" for minorities?
You clearly don't think much of minorities and can't see when they are being used. Your use of the term "blame" is telling too. I assigned "responsibility," as in how adults face life, not blame. Your characterization (blame) is classic division of groups into victims and victimizer whereby is lost any useful path of unbiased analysis.
Vs a Wall St panderer surrounded by sycophants and political hangers-on and a DNC with the fix in, a craven political hack who's traded integrity for gain her whole life (see, "No One Left to Lie To" by Christopher Hitchens) why would that not "connect" for minorities?
You clearly don't think much of minorities and can't see when they are being used. Your use of the term "blame" is telling too. I assigned "responsibility," as in how adults face life, not blame. Your characterization (blame) is classic division of groups into victims and victimizer whereby is lost any useful path of unbiased analysis.
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So here are my questions for the Young and The Disillusioned: Is Congress representing you? Are they enacting laws which improve the world, reduce racism? Are they making your schools better? Are they creating jobs?
Who is on the Court and looking out for you? Do the justices see your right to equal representation as being greater than your state's right to self- rule?
Which candidate will put in an Attorney General which will investigate police practices, investigate local fines and fees, overall imprisonment?
This is not a popularity contest. The choice of between "the racist" and "the liar" has huge consequences, because one of them will reinforce Congress and place a conservative, pro-corporate Justice on the court, who will likely agree that we live in a post racial world. The other candidate will try to out the brakes on Congressional action, and look for a Justice more likely to champion individual protections.
What, you young and disillusioned, are you really looking for? Actions have consequences, and so does inaction. The candidates are not even close to being interchangeable.
Who is on the Court and looking out for you? Do the justices see your right to equal representation as being greater than your state's right to self- rule?
Which candidate will put in an Attorney General which will investigate police practices, investigate local fines and fees, overall imprisonment?
This is not a popularity contest. The choice of between "the racist" and "the liar" has huge consequences, because one of them will reinforce Congress and place a conservative, pro-corporate Justice on the court, who will likely agree that we live in a post racial world. The other candidate will try to out the brakes on Congressional action, and look for a Justice more likely to champion individual protections.
What, you young and disillusioned, are you really looking for? Actions have consequences, and so does inaction. The candidates are not even close to being interchangeable.
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Actually it is a popularity contest. This is the very reason why communist governments appoint their leaders and not elect them. The people may one day wake up and realize that what they are being told to do by smarter and more informed elitists, is actually not what is in their best interest. Sorry but you said it.
"What, you young and disillusioned, are you really looking for?"
If you were paying attention, they told you, overwhelmingly, during the Democratic primaries. They had a candidate they supported by a wide margin over any other, mostly because they agreed with that candidate's stated policy positions and political principles. That candidate was, for young people across all racial backgrounds, Bernie Sanders.
If you were paying attention, they told you, overwhelmingly, during the Democratic primaries. They had a candidate they supported by a wide margin over any other, mostly because they agreed with that candidate's stated policy positions and political principles. That candidate was, for young people across all racial backgrounds, Bernie Sanders.
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Best comment on here.
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Yes, she and Bill were a part of the problem in the 90s. But the difference between her and trump is: she is willing to be a part of the solution now. I'd rather have someone more willing to push for changes in policing immediately, but I'm confident that with her, it'll happen *eventually*. With Trump? Forget it. Police brutality will only get worse.
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Revolutions do not happen by themselves.
Whining about Hillary and not voting will accomplish far less than nothing. The same strategy that is needed for the rise of a Sanders-style revolution applies to young black voters.
First: Vote to defeat Trump overwhelmingly to prevent an ultra-right Supreme Court and Congress
Second: Organize at the community level to launch the same type of struggle that created the labor movement and civil rights movement of the past decades.
Sitting it out as a protest is to hand a very long term victory to the right wing.
Whining about Hillary and not voting will accomplish far less than nothing. The same strategy that is needed for the rise of a Sanders-style revolution applies to young black voters.
First: Vote to defeat Trump overwhelmingly to prevent an ultra-right Supreme Court and Congress
Second: Organize at the community level to launch the same type of struggle that created the labor movement and civil rights movement of the past decades.
Sitting it out as a protest is to hand a very long term victory to the right wing.
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It is puzzling how anyone can blame Hillary Clinton for stiff drug sentencing laws enacted during Bill Clinton's administration. She had no public office then. There is some strange public acceptance of the absurd notion that anything enacted by Bill Clinton was done by "the Clinton's." I would expect Young intelligent voters to have much more discernment than accepting this strange idea.
And blaming Hillary for 20 year old legislation in which she had no role, that took place under an utterly different political climate, to the extent that they would withhold their votes from her and purposely support thereby the election of a blatant racist, is beyond comprehension
And blaming Hillary for 20 year old legislation in which she had no role, that took place under an utterly different political climate, to the extent that they would withhold their votes from her and purposely support thereby the election of a blatant racist, is beyond comprehension
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This we know: HRC is a known liar. Everyone with half a brain believes she should have been indicted for her email decisions. Half of our country believes she is corrupt. The other half believes she is corrupt too but could care less.
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@ky
You are quite possibly over-simplifying matters because that's as much mileage as you can get out of it -- Which means you have no business trying to put words into other people's mouths.
You are quite possibly over-simplifying matters because that's as much mileage as you can get out of it -- Which means you have no business trying to put words into other people's mouths.
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"Everyone with half a brain believes she should have been indicted for her email decisions."
Exactly - only people with half a brain believe that. People with a full brain are capable of doing their own research, understanding the issues, and realizing that there was no grounds for indictment.
Exactly - only people with half a brain believe that. People with a full brain are capable of doing their own research, understanding the issues, and realizing that there was no grounds for indictment.
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Once upon a time I would have thought that only the alternate universe of Fox News would feature a story like this with Trump having about 1% of the Black vote!
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Young voters are by definition voters who need to lose to get smarter. Pragmatism is an acquired taste.
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Anger- no matter how justified- cannot displace savvy, rational political action.
Digging in your heels every 4 years becomes an empty, self-defeating gesture.
Obama & the Democrats did not 'betray' Black interests. He was obstructed, in part, because of racism.
Does that mean voting for Obama was meaningless ? Or is true change an arduous journey, replete with compromise and tenacity.
Digging in your heels every 4 years becomes an empty, self-defeating gesture.
Obama & the Democrats did not 'betray' Black interests. He was obstructed, in part, because of racism.
Does that mean voting for Obama was meaningless ? Or is true change an arduous journey, replete with compromise and tenacity.
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Yet Obama risked his presidency to stand up for undocumented illegals, while the Black community got nothing but neglect and exploitation.
Interesting how all that worked out...
Interesting how all that worked out...
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What specific policy would Obama have pushed through that would have yielded a substantive benefit for...criminal justice reform, early development funding, job training ??? Despite GOP refusniks ?
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In democracy you have choices and you pick the one that's better for you and the country. You compromise and settle on the one that's less harmful. That's how democracy works. The millennials need to understand it. There ain't any perfect candidate! We are all human, we all make mistakes. So get with it and get used to it! I cannot for the life of me imagine an African-American even considering Trump for the position of US president!
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Young Blacks are going to get a rude awakening, if the Republicans gain control of all three branches of government.
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Because things have been so great under the Democrats?
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Yes, because things have been great when compared to the eight years that preceded the current administration. The Republicans' two unending wars, the economic collapse and fast track to environmental disaster should not be forgotten.
Finding angry black voices and listening to them is easy to do. Some young black people know that this election is a crazy one and that finding a sane response to it is difficult, to say the least. Still, deciding to go crazy themselves by voting for those candidates who can not win at this point improves nothing. Looking for dew drops in this current cesspool will only make you sick. The political atmosphere and processes in this country have sucked for many decades. No good candidates for black causes have emerged yet, and will not so long as you revile the only one (liar or not) who can keep this country out of the hands of a fascist. Advancing the ball a step or two may not happen with her, but at least not handing it to a known enemy of the people-Trump-is something. Nothing is what you get by sitting out or giving your ball to someone who isn't even in the stadium. You can't make things better by voting? Probably. But you damned sure can make them worse by not voting for Hillary in the numbers she needs to defeat a fascist. Yes, I prefer a lying Hillary over a fascistTrump.
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The GOP Political Witch hunt is proven successful to a point that Young Black want to hand over the Presidency to Mr Trump, the Birther in Chief, someone who refused to rent apartments to Black people.
"He's a Racist and and She is a Liar". I'll chose a "Liar" over a Racist any day of the Week.
"He's a Racist and and She is a Liar". I'll chose a "Liar" over a Racist any day of the Week.
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It's late in the game to be finding out that your candidate is about as inspiring as a mallard. Dems had their chance with Sanders. They may have to settle for Trump. Too too bad.
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When I was young, Eugene McCarthy was going to be our savior. The young are always looking for a savior. But politics will always present us with less than perfect choices because we, all of us, are imperfect beings. This year, the choice could not be clearer: Trump is incompetent to govern, Clinton is well qualified. To vote for Trump or to not vote at all is to throw a temper tantrum that will leave all of us gasping and frustrated.
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Calling a politician, like Hillary, a liar is like saying an auto mechanic is good with his hands. Well, duh! A Politifact survey showed she lies like any other ordinary politician, whereas Trump was off the charts in his mendacity. The email and Benghazi investigations have turned up nothing on her, and she hasn't done anything illegal or unethical through the Clinton Foundation. If this article is truly representative, it appears that a good number of black millennialis are just as unsophisticated about what's at stake as the typical voter. They can't afford not to support her in this election.
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Hillary is Obama Nation. trump is Abomination.
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If Hillary Clinton had ever done anything to aid young Blacks it might be a different story. Her opposition is at least more honest about not caring what happens to them.
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Perhaps $250,000-a-plate dinners (reported yesterday in the NYT) don't reach the African American community like they used to. Perhaps taking on Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Time Caine, and Ken Salizar indicates she is no longer concerned about the DNC e-mails, support for the TPP, or for fracking.
To me it appears that since Clinton got the nomination, any hint that she would be leaning more progressive has vanished. Rather, she seems to have turned the page and doesn't have quite the enthusiasm for doing anything other than the status quo. After all, it seems to work perfectly well for herself and her close friends.
Maybe young African Americans know how to do their research and they can see a bait-and-switch when it is presented to them.
To me it appears that since Clinton got the nomination, any hint that she would be leaning more progressive has vanished. Rather, she seems to have turned the page and doesn't have quite the enthusiasm for doing anything other than the status quo. After all, it seems to work perfectly well for herself and her close friends.
Maybe young African Americans know how to do their research and they can see a bait-and-switch when it is presented to them.
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This article hits the nail on the head and the establishment of the Democratic Party is responsible for the very things that these millenails believe and say. After years of voting along demographic and party lines like sheep, millenials are breaking with tradition and actually voting for what they believe in. Years of political correctness and America bashing in academia has produced a generation of voters that feel what they want and express their feelings without regard for the long game. They stand for themselves and what they want, there are few allegiances to the establishment and all that came before. This will be the last generation of Americans that pledge to the flag. The notion of being offended by a candidates stance on crime, schools and equality will lead to many striving for a perfect union...think this was tried once ...yup it was called the Soviet Union...how did that work out by the way.
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As they should be. Obama will be finishing up his Presidency, yet police continue with very questionable shootings of black civilians. So I can understand how younger blacks are skeptical of Clinton regarding any major changes in police departments. There is a lot of rhetoric from politicians when these shootings happen, but who is really pushing for change? Hillary Clinton represents the status quo which many young Americans are trying to move away from. The have seen the results of the incrementalism approach.
Hillary Clinton stated she didn't know the c meant to denote classified information deemed "confidential". Also, she couldn't recall getting any briefings on how to handle classified information or comply with laws governing the preservation of federal records. She insults the intelligence of young and old of any race in this county. Also, hasn't done a press conference in over 270 days. Maybe if all of us are lucky enough we will get one if she becomes President.
Hillary Clinton stated she didn't know the c meant to denote classified information deemed "confidential". Also, she couldn't recall getting any briefings on how to handle classified information or comply with laws governing the preservation of federal records. She insults the intelligence of young and old of any race in this county. Also, hasn't done a press conference in over 270 days. Maybe if all of us are lucky enough we will get one if she becomes President.
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Jeez, the choice is not between "he's a racist and she's a liar". Incidentally, he's a liar because he is a criminal who has lied himself to what he calls "success". Hillary and Bill came in to office and by their first mid-term a right-wing partisan media complex came into being with nothing much else to do than to flog the Clintons day and night for not being the Republicans they felt entitled to have in the WH. There was much in the way of false allegations that have dogged them both and they, the Clintons, have not always handled it is ways that made them look like the victims they are. But for crissake, letting the GOP win means that they will own all branches of gov't and the courts. And the negative footprint of GOP politics will take over everything. I don't want to see Clintons 2.0, but it's the only way to stop the republican caliphate.
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This is not just a young black issue. To paraphrase Barack Obama: This is not a black issue; this is not a white issue; this is an all American Issue.
I am a white 71 year old male and I have the same concerns. However, it is at that point that the similarity ends as far as I am concerned.
To quote a young lady in the article: “He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?”
The answer is a really big difference.
Trump is a racist and it is his unconstitutional proposals about how to treat Mexicans and Muslims that expose the danger he represents.
Clinton has misled more than lied about Benghazi, the secure emails et al. She spins the telling of her past but not of her policies and objectives going forward.
Trump has plenty of skeletons and potential lies. There is the trail of lawsuits, dark dealings regarding Atlantic City, and a host of other past conduct ripe for exposure. Why else would he not release his tax returns as every candidate in my memory has? Why else has he settled so many lawsuits voluntarily, shrouded in contractual confidentiality.
Yes both these candidates are flawed. However one is flawed in ways that threaten America’s future and the other is flawed in her telling of her own past. Her plans for the future are reasonable, well thought out and in line with what our Constitution demands of our President.
To me that makes it a no brainer, regardless of race or age.
I am a white 71 year old male and I have the same concerns. However, it is at that point that the similarity ends as far as I am concerned.
To quote a young lady in the article: “He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?”
The answer is a really big difference.
Trump is a racist and it is his unconstitutional proposals about how to treat Mexicans and Muslims that expose the danger he represents.
Clinton has misled more than lied about Benghazi, the secure emails et al. She spins the telling of her past but not of her policies and objectives going forward.
Trump has plenty of skeletons and potential lies. There is the trail of lawsuits, dark dealings regarding Atlantic City, and a host of other past conduct ripe for exposure. Why else would he not release his tax returns as every candidate in my memory has? Why else has he settled so many lawsuits voluntarily, shrouded in contractual confidentiality.
Yes both these candidates are flawed. However one is flawed in ways that threaten America’s future and the other is flawed in her telling of her own past. Her plans for the future are reasonable, well thought out and in line with what our Constitution demands of our President.
To me that makes it a no brainer, regardless of race or age.
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Young blacks lack the internalized obligation (for the civil rights act) to vote Democrat. Whether they are poor, middle class or living in affluent households, young blacks can discern Democrats are concerned with votes and not real life issues in the black community. They realize Republicans don’t have a monopoly on racists, discriminatory practices, or political policies that create high levels of incarceration, joblessness, and underemployment among people their age and color. Young blacks are breaking the cycle of fear-based voting for a party that will seemingly do the least harm. It’s a good day.
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Young Blacks will probably be the ones who will suffer longest and the most from a Trump presidency. If they can't figure that out and actively work to elect Hillary Clinton, they will be paying that terrible price for decades, possibly generations.
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We all need to understand that staying home is a vote for Trump. There are many good reasons for the black community to vote for Clinton and Democrats. Most important is that the Republicans always preach "states rights", whereas Democrats favor a strong central government. Young blacks do not remember how the states trampled on blacks trying to get to vote, to enroll in state universities, get a good public education, and even get equal access to private businesses.
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One wonders how many of these skeptical young African-Americans voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary campaign, and what, if anything Mr. Sanders is doing now to convince them that Hillary Clinton cares deeply about their plight. It was refreshing to read that a former Sanders campaign operative is "taking matters into her own hands" by working with other young activists to mobilize these voters with the help of celebrities. Mr. Sanders achieved celebrity status during the campaign. Why isn't he part of the effort?
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It's sad people interviewed for this article have bought into the lie that Trump's a racist; there is zero evidence to support it. He's always had a good relationships with people of all backgrounds, and no one called accused him of being one until he ran against a Democrat. But it's the only weapon they have because all they can only offer more government. No one has ever prospered from government assistance alone. What's needed are jobs, and Trump knows far more about creating jobs than Hillary Clinton.
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It's become tiresome to hear young people complain about being asked to set aside some of their precious time to vote for someone who isn't absolutely wonderful. "Progressives" who must fall in love with a candidate before they'll offer their support confuse politics with entertainment as surely as do Trump fans who are seduced by his rallies.
The silliest thing anyone has ever said about politics may well be: "You can't oppose something with nothing". The idea that voting to prevent the worst possible outcome without enthusiasm for the alternative represents a stain on one's integrity is pretty much the definition of needing to get over oneself.
Read Krugman today.
The silliest thing anyone has ever said about politics may well be: "You can't oppose something with nothing". The idea that voting to prevent the worst possible outcome without enthusiasm for the alternative represents a stain on one's integrity is pretty much the definition of needing to get over oneself.
Read Krugman today.
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The problem Clinton has with young black voters Is that her rhetoric cannot match that of Bernie Sanders and Obama. Both of these politicians promised to make the country a utopia with free college , insurance , etc. for all. The only
Problem is that Obama shortchanged these voters during his administration and Bernie was a victim of a rigged system. This system by the way is one with HRC at the helm.
I cannot see how these young voters can align their beliefs with what they see in the political sphere. All of this campaign rhetoric spells out revolution or bust. Clinton unfortunately symbolizes the bust. Sorry Bernie...
Problem is that Obama shortchanged these voters during his administration and Bernie was a victim of a rigged system. This system by the way is one with HRC at the helm.
I cannot see how these young voters can align their beliefs with what they see in the political sphere. All of this campaign rhetoric spells out revolution or bust. Clinton unfortunately symbolizes the bust. Sorry Bernie...
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As a country we need to get to a place where the majority of people will not vote for the lesser of evils, but where a worthy independent actually stands a chance to win. It's great to see young people thinking critically and not just blindly accepting the current status quo. Funny how those liberal organizations seem surprised that young black people might not automatically vote Hillary, apparently it was even news-worthy on the NYT. Yeah well newsflash, you are not entitled to the votes of black people, and black people are individuals who can think for themselves, not a collective hivemind. So take your closet racism and shove it.
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Perhaps the problem is that the newest generation of voters did not live through both the 60's, when so many civil rights were won, and then the 80's, when the legal victories over racism and poverty were treated— with not much insightful reporting from the press, by the way— as the reasons for a perceived, but not real, increase in crime and poverty. You don't always have to like your political dance partner, but never dance with one that will step on your toes.
On, and I too think HRC is her own worst enemy when she stays away from the public. She is letting others define her— it is time to stop that now!
On, and I too think HRC is her own worst enemy when she stays away from the public. She is letting others define her— it is time to stop that now!
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"Hillary is her own worst enemy when she stays away from the public. She is letting others define her--it is time to stop that now." I agree, but I'd say that she is letting the facts, not only others, define her.
Perhaps you were unaware that FBI director Comey defined her as a repeated liar. I would not exactly refer to him merely as "others who defined her" because, with the help of Bill and Loretta he saved her marbles; he managed not to find "intent" in her "extreme negligence" with national security top secrets. Judicial Watch, in examining what the FBI actually asked Hillary in its unrecorded interview with her (which was not a sworn interview) discovered that he never pressed her on whether there was intent. That is how he could truthfully say the FBI didn't find any. And from that he could say no reasonable person would prosecute, and Loretta could agree. So one could hardly suggest that he is biased against her.
And yet in his sworn responses to questions about her, he testified that she lied multiple times. That defines her as a liar in my book.
Perhaps you were unaware that FBI director Comey defined her as a repeated liar. I would not exactly refer to him merely as "others who defined her" because, with the help of Bill and Loretta he saved her marbles; he managed not to find "intent" in her "extreme negligence" with national security top secrets. Judicial Watch, in examining what the FBI actually asked Hillary in its unrecorded interview with her (which was not a sworn interview) discovered that he never pressed her on whether there was intent. That is how he could truthfully say the FBI didn't find any. And from that he could say no reasonable person would prosecute, and Loretta could agree. So one could hardly suggest that he is biased against her.
And yet in his sworn responses to questions about her, he testified that she lied multiple times. That defines her as a liar in my book.
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I would say that Comey's comments define not Clinton, but himself -- as partisan and unethical.
If he found something to prosecute her for, he should have made that recommendation. It's unethical to smear a target of an investigation when, after using official powers like the subpoena to dig into their private life, you find nothing worthy of prosecution, but then use your bully pulpit to imply that there was.
Comey is a conservative and a Bush appointee. he changed his party from Republican to independent, recently, but contributed to Barack Obama's opponents in 2008 and 2012. He's a partisan, and while he was unable to find a crime to charge Clinton with, he didn't pass up his opportunity to take a shot at her in the press.
If he found something to prosecute her for, he should have made that recommendation. It's unethical to smear a target of an investigation when, after using official powers like the subpoena to dig into their private life, you find nothing worthy of prosecution, but then use your bully pulpit to imply that there was.
Comey is a conservative and a Bush appointee. he changed his party from Republican to independent, recently, but contributed to Barack Obama's opponents in 2008 and 2012. He's a partisan, and while he was unable to find a crime to charge Clinton with, he didn't pass up his opportunity to take a shot at her in the press.
When Hillary was working for the civil rights movement in the 70's, Donald Trump and his family were denying black families the right to live in their federally subsidized housing projects.
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Working for the civil rights movement in the '70 was not a bad thing, but for an ambitious grad student with an eye to the future, it was good planning, being on the right side of history. And of course, Ms. Clinton likes to be on the right side -- like when "superpredator" speeches were all the rage.
I find it hard to believe that Mr. Trump is as racist as we make him out to be. He cannot be fairly judged by what his dad did in a different time. Not that I think he is qualified to be President -- I don't. But if he were that racist, we'd have known it long before now, given that he's worked with entertainment figures and celebrities of all colors for many years. OTOH, I think he's made a bargain with the devil, running as a Republican, then discovering how effectively racial and nativist rage can be utilized, then taking advantage of it. He has done a lot of damage already, and the change he has effected in the political climate will not go away soon, no matter who wins in November. This is scary. IMO it also is ironic -- Trump was a longtime Democrat, and if he had chosen to run as a Dem, he might have campaigned somewhat like a Sanders.
I find it hard to believe that Mr. Trump is as racist as we make him out to be. He cannot be fairly judged by what his dad did in a different time. Not that I think he is qualified to be President -- I don't. But if he were that racist, we'd have known it long before now, given that he's worked with entertainment figures and celebrities of all colors for many years. OTOH, I think he's made a bargain with the devil, running as a Republican, then discovering how effectively racial and nativist rage can be utilized, then taking advantage of it. He has done a lot of damage already, and the change he has effected in the political climate will not go away soon, no matter who wins in November. This is scary. IMO it also is ironic -- Trump was a longtime Democrat, and if he had chosen to run as a Dem, he might have campaigned somewhat like a Sanders.
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No one has to paint Trump as the devil. Trump is a racist- just read his lips. It is no accident that he is the poster boy for the KKK.
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The young, be they black, latino or wasps, have grasped the (unavoidable?) cynism of politics for years. They know the whole system will eventually address some societal issues while remaining helpless on socio economical issues...because the system is fundamentally rigged by where power really lies in: economical interests, not common good. What is obvious for Republicans is not so different for the Democratic Party. Trump being a dangerous buffoon , the cloak of smartness and integrity the Dems can wrap in is nonetheless too thin for young voters knowing they will have to pay back unended loans if they want to attend good universities...among so many other examples. They just can't buy narratives they are too used to.
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Its a new day, we will no longer accept, entertain or engage with white supremacist. suspected white supremacist and their supporters.
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I have noticed, however, that Clinton has made a substantial effort to target Latinxs. Many of her social media updates are posted in Spanish. I would be interested to know if this decision reflects voting patterns among the different races.
Perhaps give a little more thought to a candidate's history, the advisors with whom he/she surrounds him/herself, his/her policy positions over the years, history of speeches on major issues, etc., and not so much thought to whether he/she panders satisfactorily with Spanish ads, visits to Black churches, etc. Just a thought.
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@caroline
The U.S. has basically become a bi-lingual society, as is reflected in the country's changing demographics.
Clinton is aware of this and in turn, is reaching out to that community -- even with her choice of Vice President, who speaks the language fluently.
The U.S. has basically become a bi-lingual society, as is reflected in the country's changing demographics.
Clinton is aware of this and in turn, is reaching out to that community -- even with her choice of Vice President, who speaks the language fluently.
For young African-American voters, nothing in their political experience as young adults could possibly match the excitement, inspiration and idealism of helping Barack Obama reach the White House. Most Presidential campaigns are not that inspiring and instead require a rational choice of whom to entrust with the executive leadership of the United States. You don't have to be excited about Hillary Clinton, historic as her own election would be, to exercise a rational decision that she is the best option we have this year, and that the alternative is a dangerous demagogue who is specifically a threat to minority voters and communities. If they had known what was to unfold, don't you think German Jews would have turned out in force to defeat Hitler at the polls in 1932, no matter who his opponents were and how uninspiring they might have been?
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Shortly before I cast my first presidential ballot, I asked my dad why he always voted Democrat. This was during days of Reagan & so called "welfare queens". I wanted to know my dad's reluctance to vote GOP. He made it simple. He said "the Democrats may not have gone out of their way to help blacks. But they've done far less than Republicans to hurt us." That's all he had to say. For me, the words hold true to this day.
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I don't get voting for the less of two evils. If one is going to vote for evil go all the way and vote for the greater of two evils - Hillary Clinton.
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Educated African Americans are very discerning and realistic about how they have faired under the Obama administration. Tavis Smiley put it best, "African Americans are worse of now than under George W. Bush." Like it or not? Tavis is correct. Trump represents an encouraging alternative to the empty promises.
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"An encouraging alternative?" Trump has done nothing but insult African Americans. From his lofty perch, all African Americans are poor, unemployed and living in crime-infested neighborhoods. They should support him because they have "nothing to lose." Can a political appeal possibly be more steeped in ignorance and condescending?
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What is encouraging for African Americans about Trump, a man who started his business career by not allowing blacks to rent apartments because of the color of their skin?
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Pffft, that's because EVERYONE except the ultra rich are worse off. Since there are almost no non-white ultra rich people, the numbers average out to look like whites are doing ok and black aren't. If you think for a second that Trump will reverse that, you are deluded. The only thing that will reverse this trend is to stop paying for education locally. Every child should get an equal chance at a good education. Long run, that is the only way that a meritocracy--which we pretend to be--can succeed.
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Wow. This is truly informative. Young blacks is an incredibly specific way to label a group of Americans. I guess if I see a "black" who seems more or less young, I'll already know their concerns regarding this subject. Lefthanded non young "blacks" born in an even numbered year either have no concerns or they simply choose not to voice them.
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How are they supposed to report results from focus groups comprised of young African-Americans?
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Four years from now when HRC is struggling for re-election if in fact she is not primary by a Democratic candidate way left of her policies, Debbie Waserman-Schultz, Nancy Pelosi, Claire McCaskill, and the rest of the "glass ceiling breaking" coalition will look back at the oppurtunity lost with the must have first "Madam President".
It's not that the majority of Americans are against a woman President, it's just a majority of Americans are against this woman President.
She is a DINO at a time when liberal politics is being embraced by the majority of voters.
Too bad for all of us suffering under the oppression of the oligarchy which Clinton represents. Once in a lifetime does an oppurtunity like Bernie Sanders surfaces, and we just had to have a center right Madam President.
Hopefully this will teach many the evils of gender politics.
It's not that the majority of Americans are against a woman President, it's just a majority of Americans are against this woman President.
She is a DINO at a time when liberal politics is being embraced by the majority of voters.
Too bad for all of us suffering under the oppression of the oligarchy which Clinton represents. Once in a lifetime does an oppurtunity like Bernie Sanders surfaces, and we just had to have a center right Madam President.
Hopefully this will teach many the evils of gender politics.
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america likes to market itself as a chance taker
but when offered a chance, a real chance, it turned down Bernie to go w a known evil
they deserve to lose to trump for that alone
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Democrats have always looked at blacks as in their pocket. Democrats who have controlled major urban areas have given blacks handouts but nothing to improve education or stimulate industry, employment. Basically the democrats plan is to keep them on the Democratic Plantation.
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The tough on crime wave that helped keep blacks on the plantation was a Republican idea. Republicans fought for this racist campaign so hard and with such intensity that by the time the 90s rolled around, NOBODY in the political system had the will anymore to fight it. Even black churches were getting on the tough on crime bus. Taking up reefer madness as a cause. Blaming black youth for getting arrested, instead of blaming the racist system.
The Democrats could either just disappear as a party or go along with the game. I voted for Clinton and then regretted it as I saw my own party succumb to reefer madness and tough on crime.
A lot of water has flown under the bridge since then. The Democrats are strong enough now and those policies are discredited enough now that we are finally beginning to turn away from them, repudiate them and dismantle them.
But if you want to keep that system in power for another four years. go ahead on and let the Republicans win.
The Democrats could either just disappear as a party or go along with the game. I voted for Clinton and then regretted it as I saw my own party succumb to reefer madness and tough on crime.
A lot of water has flown under the bridge since then. The Democrats are strong enough now and those policies are discredited enough now that we are finally beginning to turn away from them, repudiate them and dismantle them.
But if you want to keep that system in power for another four years. go ahead on and let the Republicans win.
The only thing that would improve education is for it to not be funded locally. It's a crime that children in poor communities get far less money spent on them than rich communities.
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I hope they'll enjoy the view from the Republican Plantation.
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The problem for young voters is that they have not witnessed the 25 year smear campaign the GOP has used to try to smear Clinton. They have not seen the litany of false accusations that have been raised and then, having been shown to be false, retired, only to be replaced by a new, false accusation. The GOP has raised The Big Lie to an art form and funded its marketing with about a billion conservative dollars.
Even the Times, supposed cathedral of liberal bias, often breathlessly repeats new accusations that quickly evaporate under scrutiny. Somehow revising those errors doesn't warrant the same font size.
The message here is that unless young voters are willing to do their own research and to think for themselves, they are ripe for picking, and conservatives have no regrets about harvesting them.
As for me, I've got 40 years as a voter, mainly as a Democrat, under my belt. I've seen it all. I don't need my politicians to be perfect. I need them to share my values and be capable of executing a program to advance them. Clinton has my vote.
Even the Times, supposed cathedral of liberal bias, often breathlessly repeats new accusations that quickly evaporate under scrutiny. Somehow revising those errors doesn't warrant the same font size.
The message here is that unless young voters are willing to do their own research and to think for themselves, they are ripe for picking, and conservatives have no regrets about harvesting them.
As for me, I've got 40 years as a voter, mainly as a Democrat, under my belt. I've seen it all. I don't need my politicians to be perfect. I need them to share my values and be capable of executing a program to advance them. Clinton has my vote.
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What false accusations? And what would it hurt to try Trump after what the democrats have done to blacks the last 50 years?
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If you do your own research and read Executive Order 13526-Classified National Security Information, signed by Obama in 2009, you will plainly see that the accusations about Hillary's email server are not false smears or scurrilous innuendo.
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You must be joking. "What would it hurt?"
As to Clinton, here's a sampler of false accusations, some crazy and some merely cynical: Benghazi, Whitewater, the murder of Vince Foster, Chelsea is not Bill Clinton’s son, insider trading, she’s an enemy of traditional marriage except that she refused to divorce her husband, she abetted her husband’s commission of rape, she’s being paid by the Chinese, and she’s being paid by the banks, and she’s being paid by the Russians, and she’s being paid by big oil, she’s a secret friend of Saul Alinski, she’s a secret supporter of the Palestinians, she’s a supporter of conservative Israelis, she's insane, she's senile, she's dying.
All of these have been promoted by a well-funded conservative media industry that has spent close to a billion dollars over the last 25 years. Call it a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
As to Clinton, here's a sampler of false accusations, some crazy and some merely cynical: Benghazi, Whitewater, the murder of Vince Foster, Chelsea is not Bill Clinton’s son, insider trading, she’s an enemy of traditional marriage except that she refused to divorce her husband, she abetted her husband’s commission of rape, she’s being paid by the Chinese, and she’s being paid by the banks, and she’s being paid by the Russians, and she’s being paid by big oil, she’s a secret friend of Saul Alinski, she’s a secret supporter of the Palestinians, she’s a supporter of conservative Israelis, she's insane, she's senile, she's dying.
All of these have been promoted by a well-funded conservative media industry that has spent close to a billion dollars over the last 25 years. Call it a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
It is not just the young black community who is suspicious and wants something more than the lesser of two evils. I doubt this is lost on the Times so much as glossed over. This article, like so many others is demeaning, suggesting that people are blind, foolish or stupid, easily deceived. Consider that some of us (and when I say us, I am not distinguishing people by race, age or demographic) think disenfrasnchisement is as serious a thing to worry about as buffoonery. How many can rest easy endorsing a party which has stifled their voice, ignored their vote?
One thing which can be said of the young is that they have aspirations and hope for the future, and in general do not like being told to just get with the program. Some of us old people feel the same way.
One thing which can be said of the young is that they have aspirations and hope for the future, and in general do not like being told to just get with the program. Some of us old people feel the same way.
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It's not just the young people who are rejecting Hillary - the democratic party is finally going to get it's just dues as more is made of the fact that our inner cities have been controlled by democrats for decades and they promise the world and deliver little or nothing. They have taken the minorities communities for granted for their vote and it's time to try other options.
The media is in over drive to moline Trump in any way possible because the establishment of both parties are quaking in their boots.
But facts are NOTHING Trump has said or done even remotely rises to the level of corruption and cronyism exhibited by Hillary et al. especially her obvious irresponsibility when handling info as Sec. not to mention the cover-ups, the lying, the foundations, the obvious influence peddling, etc.
How she can even attempt to represent herself as the "change agent" when she is a part of the present misery and has been around for decades and accomplished no change - what's so different now?
Jefferson (first democrat president) warned us about the eventual rise of a political class and that's what we have let happen and it's time to de-throne them as they no longer truly represent us but their own interests.
Trump 2016
The media is in over drive to moline Trump in any way possible because the establishment of both parties are quaking in their boots.
But facts are NOTHING Trump has said or done even remotely rises to the level of corruption and cronyism exhibited by Hillary et al. especially her obvious irresponsibility when handling info as Sec. not to mention the cover-ups, the lying, the foundations, the obvious influence peddling, etc.
How she can even attempt to represent herself as the "change agent" when she is a part of the present misery and has been around for decades and accomplished no change - what's so different now?
Jefferson (first democrat president) warned us about the eventual rise of a political class and that's what we have let happen and it's time to de-throne them as they no longer truly represent us but their own interests.
Trump 2016
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For a generation facing life in a nation of declining prosperity and opportunity, in line behind earlier generations willing to saddle the young with almost unthinkable debt, Hillary Clinton offers nothing more than a few appeasing handouts. A little free this . . . a little subsidized that, but nothing that changes the trajectory of American life in any material respect. Hillary is running because she would like to be President; not because she has any particular vision for the country or any demonstrated leadership skill.
Notwithstanding the happy-happy campaign rhetoric, the American people can feel in their own lives the failure of the Obama years -- the economic stagnation, the global chaos, the decline of American power relative to our economic competitors and political enemies. Hillary promises only to continue down the same path. Why should any young person be excited about her candidacy?
Notwithstanding the happy-happy campaign rhetoric, the American people can feel in their own lives the failure of the Obama years -- the economic stagnation, the global chaos, the decline of American power relative to our economic competitors and political enemies. Hillary promises only to continue down the same path. Why should any young person be excited about her candidacy?
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50 years of democrats running most big cities and continuing deterioration of conditions form that time and through the Obama administration are stark evidence that the democrats have not helped improve the lives of most blacks. Hillary offers nothing new, so why vote for her? might as well try something new. Check out Trumps speech and applause to it at the Detroit church last week.
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You don't have to be African-American to be concerned that Hillary will take extra good care of the privileged class when she gets into office.
As much as I admire and respect Obama, the 1% have done just fine under his two terms, while many other Americans have been left wanting for more, even in the face of Republican obstructionism.
The problem today is that both major parties support the wealthy, thanks to money in politics. So you have two choices: a Hillary who isn't perfect, but knows how to run the country. Or the mental defective put forth by the GOP.
As much as I admire and respect Obama, the 1% have done just fine under his two terms, while many other Americans have been left wanting for more, even in the face of Republican obstructionism.
The problem today is that both major parties support the wealthy, thanks to money in politics. So you have two choices: a Hillary who isn't perfect, but knows how to run the country. Or the mental defective put forth by the GOP.
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Don't forget that conservatives have controlled the House, Senate and Supreme Court for most of Obama's presidency. And they have actively opposed his initiatives, even to the degree of reversing themselves on formerly GOP positions.
If you don't like the results, blame yourself for not turning out the GOP congress sooner. And do everything you can to make sure Clinton appoints the next 3 Supreme Court justices.
If you don't like the results, blame yourself for not turning out the GOP congress sooner. And do everything you can to make sure Clinton appoints the next 3 Supreme Court justices.
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Hillary Clinton certainly has my vote. I think she is informed, talented, and committed to doing what is best for our country. I think the dishonesty rap is a bad rap. Her every words are picked apart to find contradictions and mistakes – of which there are plenty – subsequently labeled as lies.
I don’t think she’s the right person for the times. Sadly, no such person exists. We are a dissatisfied lot and that is our right. It’s how democracy works. We have our rights to be unhappy with how we think things are getting done. Our problem is that while a clear majority of Americans want significant change, we are nowhere near agreeing on what it might be to which we will change.
I hope we elect Hillary. It would not be a bad thing if she were only a one-term president. She will be a president much in the mold of her predecessors including her husband, the Presidents Bush, and President Obama. Hers might well be a caretaker presidency. Worse things can happen.
Meanwhile, it will be ours, the American people, to come to some reasonable consensus as to what we even think our problems might be. Things are not as bad as some work to convince us and some proposed solutions are no solutions at all. This is not a problem a president can solve. Democracies come with responsibilities and it’s time for Americans to accept some.
I don’t think she’s the right person for the times. Sadly, no such person exists. We are a dissatisfied lot and that is our right. It’s how democracy works. We have our rights to be unhappy with how we think things are getting done. Our problem is that while a clear majority of Americans want significant change, we are nowhere near agreeing on what it might be to which we will change.
I hope we elect Hillary. It would not be a bad thing if she were only a one-term president. She will be a president much in the mold of her predecessors including her husband, the Presidents Bush, and President Obama. Hers might well be a caretaker presidency. Worse things can happen.
Meanwhile, it will be ours, the American people, to come to some reasonable consensus as to what we even think our problems might be. Things are not as bad as some work to convince us and some proposed solutions are no solutions at all. This is not a problem a president can solve. Democracies come with responsibilities and it’s time for Americans to accept some.
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Informed? She didn't even know the (C) marking stood for classified. The job of Secretary of State was clearly over her head. Why in the world would you want her to be president?
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These young Afro American voters are much smarter than the average voter as they clearly see that the status quo isn't working for the majority of Americans.
Clinton has proven that she will do anything or say anything to get elected. Once elected, she will continue to serve the "established" who own her.
Only with change, however painful it may be, will anything significant ever occur.
Clinton has proven that she will do anything or say anything to get elected. Once elected, she will continue to serve the "established" who own her.
Only with change, however painful it may be, will anything significant ever occur.
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"And while a modest drop-off of black votes may not imperil Mrs. Clinton’s prospects, given Mr. Trump’s unpopularity among upscale white voters, it could undermine Democrats’ effort to capture control of the Senate and win other down-ballot elections."
To the elites it's all a game. We mean nothing to them. We mean less than pawns on a chessboard, pawns are kings compared to how little the elites consider us.
To the elites it's all a game. We mean nothing to them. We mean less than pawns on a chessboard, pawns are kings compared to how little the elites consider us.
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Viewing the current US presidential campaign from abroad, I find that the chickens are coming home to roost for both the major political parties that have dominated US politics for more than a century and a half. In later years, their respective leaderships have taken their so-called 'core' voters for granted, under the comfortable assumption that, having 'nowhere else to go', they would turn out (when allowed to by, e g, state laws specifically designed to deny the franchise to certain groups of people) on election day. A segment of white voters who had felt abandoned by the Democratic Party and turned Republican came at long last to the realisation that the Party establishment was using their support, which was taken for granted, to carry out policies which were not in their interests, thus opening the way for Donald John Trump to win the Republican primaries and, to the dismay of that establishment, become that party's candidate in this year's presidential election....
On the Democratic side, the so-called 'black vote' was assumed to be in Ms Clinton's pocket from the beginning of the primary campaign, and indeed, it was an important factor in enabling her to prevail over Mr Sanders. But while the support of the older, church-going segment of the black community helped to put here over the top, she woke little or no enthusiasm among the younger members of that community, and without their support, a victory on 8 November is by no means a given....
Henri
On the Democratic side, the so-called 'black vote' was assumed to be in Ms Clinton's pocket from the beginning of the primary campaign, and indeed, it was an important factor in enabling her to prevail over Mr Sanders. But while the support of the older, church-going segment of the black community helped to put here over the top, she woke little or no enthusiasm among the younger members of that community, and without their support, a victory on 8 November is by no means a given....
Henri
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While I certainly hope that young voters come around by November and vote for Clinton. I hope they understand what is at stake regarding the Supreme Court and protecting programs for the most vulnerable that the GOP would love to eviscerate even more. But, I understand their frustration. Because the GOP is such a racist dumpster fire of a party, African Americans have aligned themselves almost exclusively with the Democrats, so their biggest influence in presidential elections tends to come in primaries. If only more blacks were Republicans as well, they would probably be better catered to by both parties. It would also improve the GOP in general. But, then again, who wants to be a Republican? Yuk!
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Nice to see some coverage of the continuing need to speak truth to power on race in America.
Oddly, one of the major points of contention and a major metric in assessing the racial disparities still endemic in our justice system, cannabis, somehow slipped beneath the radar -- again. It's obvious that our society simply is incapable of enforcing such a specious and scientifically unjustified policy as prohibition in a fair manner, even assuming there might be some logical basis for this egregiously failed public policy.
And there is no sound basis for prohibition to continue. The majority of the public doesn't support prohibition. And government has shown that not only that it can't be fair, but that it's not to be trusted. To cling to the myths that cannabis is as dangerous as heroin and has no medical use is simply whistling past the graveyard of a just society.
Where is Ms. Clinton on prohibition? She wants it to be switched to Schedule II so it can be "studied." That's not quite equivalent to saying we should study racism to determine if it's a social problem -- but it's darn close. And it's that bigger worldview of Clinton that undermines whatever positive things she might say about the state of race in our society in the minds of young people. She just doesn't get it.
Oddly, one of the major points of contention and a major metric in assessing the racial disparities still endemic in our justice system, cannabis, somehow slipped beneath the radar -- again. It's obvious that our society simply is incapable of enforcing such a specious and scientifically unjustified policy as prohibition in a fair manner, even assuming there might be some logical basis for this egregiously failed public policy.
And there is no sound basis for prohibition to continue. The majority of the public doesn't support prohibition. And government has shown that not only that it can't be fair, but that it's not to be trusted. To cling to the myths that cannabis is as dangerous as heroin and has no medical use is simply whistling past the graveyard of a just society.
Where is Ms. Clinton on prohibition? She wants it to be switched to Schedule II so it can be "studied." That's not quite equivalent to saying we should study racism to determine if it's a social problem -- but it's darn close. And it's that bigger worldview of Clinton that undermines whatever positive things she might say about the state of race in our society in the minds of young people. She just doesn't get it.
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Between the lines of the article may reveal a major source of young discontent with Hillary Clinton - the Sanders campaign. Who started the tale about her use of the term "super-predators" in the 90s without any historical context? That single phrase was blown way out of proportion while the actions of Republicans against all minority groups was ignored. Examine the chart of her approval/disapproval numbers and you will see that disapproval rose above approval shortly after the Sanders campaign started it's explicit plan to go negative on several issues including criminal justice. Sanders and his supporters need to now correct the record.
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And once again we have a case built around grouping people into easily identifiable boxes to make a point: This time, it's "Young Black Voices".
Just for the record.
There is no way to categorize how Black people think, or vote, because they are not some monolithic mass.
There is also no way that Mr. Prudhome, of 'Vote America Now', or any other pollster, or self-styled spokesperson has the ability to speak for an entire race. To imply otherwise is simply misleading.
Another thing. This is not only about the youth vote -- and the Bernie Sanders campaign found this out the hard way by concentrating its efforts on a younger audience, at the expense of failing to connect with the larger Black electorate.
That is the main reason why in the end, it won't really be up to them to make or break this election for Clinton or Trump.
That distinction will invariably fall back on those who have a long history of voting in every election -- And more often than not, those are the voters who remember what Black people had to go through to do even that.
Just for the record.
There is no way to categorize how Black people think, or vote, because they are not some monolithic mass.
There is also no way that Mr. Prudhome, of 'Vote America Now', or any other pollster, or self-styled spokesperson has the ability to speak for an entire race. To imply otherwise is simply misleading.
Another thing. This is not only about the youth vote -- and the Bernie Sanders campaign found this out the hard way by concentrating its efforts on a younger audience, at the expense of failing to connect with the larger Black electorate.
That is the main reason why in the end, it won't really be up to them to make or break this election for Clinton or Trump.
That distinction will invariably fall back on those who have a long history of voting in every election -- And more often than not, those are the voters who remember what Black people had to go through to do even that.
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We have Hillary with a long history of working for the common good.
And then there is Trump.
Trump suffers from an intense narcissist personality disorder being unstable, having a bad temper and an incredibly inflated sense of personal genius. Trump is popular with those who cannot analyse his effluvia of pseudo-political marketing patter that gushes forth from his mouth, non-stop. He is the Republican Party. He is big money personified. He plays the same con game promising good things for the little guy, be it trickle-down nonsense or building a wall to keep out illegals. It is all fraudulent sound and fury.
In the course of his campaign he has promoted anti-Semitism; surrounded himself with people that want to murder Hillary Clinton; picked the most extreme Christian fundamentalist as a running mate; refused to release his tax returns; failed to attract even one meaningful endorsement; failed to demonstrate one single qualification as President, Commander-in-Chief.
And what is his defense?
Hillary lied about emails.
And then there is Trump.
Trump suffers from an intense narcissist personality disorder being unstable, having a bad temper and an incredibly inflated sense of personal genius. Trump is popular with those who cannot analyse his effluvia of pseudo-political marketing patter that gushes forth from his mouth, non-stop. He is the Republican Party. He is big money personified. He plays the same con game promising good things for the little guy, be it trickle-down nonsense or building a wall to keep out illegals. It is all fraudulent sound and fury.
In the course of his campaign he has promoted anti-Semitism; surrounded himself with people that want to murder Hillary Clinton; picked the most extreme Christian fundamentalist as a running mate; refused to release his tax returns; failed to attract even one meaningful endorsement; failed to demonstrate one single qualification as President, Commander-in-Chief.
And what is his defense?
Hillary lied about emails.
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th oddest thing about trump candidacy is that at 70 yo, he has done nothing in life but enrich himself, usually at th expense of others
and suddenly, out of th blue, his fans are deluded that he has been concerned w th condition of th average man all along , and that he will now devote himself full time to furthering their causes
this is t kind of blind faith thats usually reserved for religion
We have Hillary with a long history of working for the common good.
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As long as the common good is putting money in her pocket
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As long as the common good is putting money in her pocket
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No, Hillary mishandled classified material and lied about it. She also stated she can't recall ever being briefed about hot to handle sensitive material due to a brain injury. Doesn't sound like a good candidate to me, but knock yourself out.
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When I'm at my gloomiest, and despair of the choices in this election, I wonder if, late at night, after a few drinks, several high-level career Democratic Party apparatchiks ask one another, off the record, in whispers, How did it come to pass that we allowed Clinton, Inc. to take control of the party?
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I think that the views of the young black Americans featured here reflect other demographics. I'm much better older and white and feel that my choice, too, is between a racist and a liar.
This is a severe let down after President Obama, who in all respects, seems like a decent human being and a solid, if unspectacular, leader.
Can't we do better than Trump and HRC? Sad commentary on our nation. It's time for a new generation to lead the way, not these two, worn out, ethically-challenged retreads.
This is a severe let down after President Obama, who in all respects, seems like a decent human being and a solid, if unspectacular, leader.
Can't we do better than Trump and HRC? Sad commentary on our nation. It's time for a new generation to lead the way, not these two, worn out, ethically-challenged retreads.
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There's absolutely no evidence Trump is a racist. None. Also, Obama is not a decent human being. Take Ferguson for example, when the Justice Department confirmed Officer Wilson shot Michael Brown in self-defense, Obama could have made a statement stating as much in order to calm tensions, but refused to do so. In fact, he's been fanning the flames of by propagating the lie that blacks are killed more often by police than other groups. He also has displayed how cold-hearted he is when he immediately played a round a golf, where he was photographed laughing, after speaking on the James Foley beheading.
Trump has the solutions to fix the problems plaguing the US. Hillary doesn't. She wants to perpetuate the policies that have mired our economy in stagnation.
Not only is Trump not a racist, but there is no reason to think he is. He has hired people in executive positions from across the spectrum. He wants to better the lives of all Americans.
Not only is Trump not a racist, but there is no reason to think he is. He has hired people in executive positions from across the spectrum. He wants to better the lives of all Americans.
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Trump must be giving policy speeches only to you because I have yet to hear one "solution" from him. Please, let us all in on the big secret...exactly what are these solutions? As far as his being a racist: one has to wonder just what David Duke and other white supremacists see in Trump then that makes him so attractive. There is every reason to believe that Trump is a racist, I don't see any reason to believe otherwise and neither do many other voters.
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No reason to think he is a racist? I think someone who declines to rent an apartment to someone because of the color of their skin - as Trump has done - is by definition a racist.
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Is this a sardonic post? Trumps way is stiffing the working bloke to ring up his own bank account. Why would he change?
The import of this article goes way beyond young black voters. It speaks to a generational divide running across the moderate and liberal electorate.
The older generation's view of Hillary is founded on memories of her relatively progressive political positions over the decades and her achievements during a time when women faced significant barriers. The younger generation has none of this collective memory. Their views are based on the past few years, during which she has often come across as just another dishonest, dissembling
politician.
Even though I am a member of that older generation (and a Clinton supporter), I understand well the younger generation's lack of enthusiasm about her candidacy, particularly when measured against the high ethical bar which Obama set during his presidency.
The older generation's view of Hillary is founded on memories of her relatively progressive political positions over the decades and her achievements during a time when women faced significant barriers. The younger generation has none of this collective memory. Their views are based on the past few years, during which she has often come across as just another dishonest, dissembling
politician.
Even though I am a member of that older generation (and a Clinton supporter), I understand well the younger generation's lack of enthusiasm about her candidacy, particularly when measured against the high ethical bar which Obama set during his presidency.
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'The high ethical bar which Obama set during his presidency' - BWAAAHHH!!! LOLOL. Yeah. Sure Bob.
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Let's be honest. Politician's don't care about the problems non-voters face. Think in a selfish mindset. Why should a politician alienate people who have proven they'll vote for them for a group that might not even vote? For moral reasons a politician should care about all of America, but politicians are selfish people and we should expect them to act in their own self interest.
The Democrats do not own the black vote and everyone can vote however they choose. Just make sure to vote. If you have valid reasons for disliking Trump and not trusting Hilary, then vote third party. If you don't like third party, than write in your dissent. It may not get your candidate elected, but if 10, 20, maybe even 30% of the populace votes for "other" candidates, then the politicians will realize there is a large block of people WHO VOTE that they need to convince next election season.
Why do you think the elderly get all the benefits under the Sun from our government. It's because the left and the right recognize old people consistently vote every election. My answer to young dissatisfied people who don't feel represented is to show your dissent through voting. Staying at home and avoiding the polls is not an effective protest. Politicians obviously don't care about protests that have been occurring regularly on the streets. They care about votes. Make sure to voice your dissent this November or politicians will keep ignoring you.
The Democrats do not own the black vote and everyone can vote however they choose. Just make sure to vote. If you have valid reasons for disliking Trump and not trusting Hilary, then vote third party. If you don't like third party, than write in your dissent. It may not get your candidate elected, but if 10, 20, maybe even 30% of the populace votes for "other" candidates, then the politicians will realize there is a large block of people WHO VOTE that they need to convince next election season.
Why do you think the elderly get all the benefits under the Sun from our government. It's because the left and the right recognize old people consistently vote every election. My answer to young dissatisfied people who don't feel represented is to show your dissent through voting. Staying at home and avoiding the polls is not an effective protest. Politicians obviously don't care about protests that have been occurring regularly on the streets. They care about votes. Make sure to voice your dissent this November or politicians will keep ignoring you.
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Democrats love the poor so much that they created millions more!!!
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Wait 'till they get a load of Trump.
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Hillary Clinton is better than some young African-Americans think. But it requires deep delving to get past the Judicial Watch harassment (check out Judicial Watch) of Hillary. Just yesterday I heard a prominent Republican get on CNN and tell three blatant lies about Hillary Clinton concerning her emails and the Clinton Foundation. I would urge these young people to do serious resarch on Clinton. UsePolitifact.org, Factcheck.org and similar research tools to get to the truth. I implore you - our lives may very well depend on it. And the reports of her being untrustworthy are great exaggerated. And next to Donald Trump, she's a veritable George Washington!
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I can understand that the same black millenials who learned that the 1st black Kenyan POTUS who faked his birth certificate before deporting Latino dreamers, after he sent their parents before Muslim death panels, would believe everything that they learned about Hillary Clinton on their social media sources.
I mean we all know, it it's on the internets, twitter, FB, or reported in the media it must be true. There's no manipulation of the facts. And once it gets out there, nothing can be manipulated or distorted to make anyone look a certain way.
You know it's not like the BLM image has been distorted, right?? Hillary Clinton and the entire Democratic Party has stood up to defend BLM, even if BLM has not always done the same. It's easy to be righteous and judgemental, but flawless??
I mean we all know, it it's on the internets, twitter, FB, or reported in the media it must be true. There's no manipulation of the facts. And once it gets out there, nothing can be manipulated or distorted to make anyone look a certain way.
You know it's not like the BLM image has been distorted, right?? Hillary Clinton and the entire Democratic Party has stood up to defend BLM, even if BLM has not always done the same. It's easy to be righteous and judgemental, but flawless??
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"Hillary Clinton and the entire Democratic Party has stood up to defend BLM"
From a hacked document: No it hasn't.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dnc-black-lives-matter-memo_us_57c6f...
From a hacked document: No it hasn't.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dnc-black-lives-matter-memo_us_57c6f...
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Just goes to show... It's high time for the NYT and other media outlets to dedicate front page space to the other Presidential candidates, namely Gary Johnson and Jill Stein. That way if you want, you can all take credit later for influencing the numbers of voters who refuse to acquiesce in this election and will be voting for them anyway.
You see... The media strategy to force feed thinking, ethical Americans -- no matter what their race, creed, culture, or other orientation(s) may be -- to vote for Hilliary Clinton isn't working.
You see... The media strategy to force feed thinking, ethical Americans -- no matter what their race, creed, culture, or other orientation(s) may be -- to vote for Hilliary Clinton isn't working.
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Just goes to show... It's high time for the NYT and other media outlets to dedicate front page space to the other Presidential candidates, namely Gary Johnson and Jill Stein. That way if you want, you can all take credit later for influencing the numbers of voters who refuse to acquiesce in this election and will be voting for them anyway.
You see... The media strategy to force feed thinking, ethical Americans -- no matter what our race, creed, culture, or other orientation(s) may be -- to vote for Hilliary Clinton isn't working.
You see... The media strategy to force feed thinking, ethical Americans -- no matter what our race, creed, culture, or other orientation(s) may be -- to vote for Hilliary Clinton isn't working.
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This article read like half journalism, half "Medium" think piece, "10 things you didn't know what Hilary's been doing for young black folks?"
To "Ounce of Logic," NYT pick:
You mean the GOP exploiter, which embraced the racism that was the real source of the exploitation and used it to ride to power for 50 years and is trying to do so again? Of course you don't. Your claim that the Democrats have exploited black people is just this new Breitbart Orwellian meme that the NYT has decided to dignify with a NYT pick for some reason.
You mean the GOP exploiter, which embraced the racism that was the real source of the exploitation and used it to ride to power for 50 years and is trying to do so again? Of course you don't. Your claim that the Democrats have exploited black people is just this new Breitbart Orwellian meme that the NYT has decided to dignify with a NYT pick for some reason.
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I am sure they will vote for Trump who is supported by Neo-Nazis and KKK members. Yes, they have a death wish.
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Both Fredrick Douglas and Martin Luther King carried a gun. Hillary will take away that right, or severely limit it. She said so when she started talking about an Australian model for America's gun laws.
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She will not. And that isn't what was said in the article or by her. NRA shill.
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It was said by her and is on video if you care to look for it. Just look up Hillary and Australian gun laws.
Here is a quote from this newspaper in an editorial:
" It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition."
..."It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens."
Here is a quote from this newspaper in an editorial:
" It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition."
..."It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens."
When Ms. Packnett says that young Black voters wanted mor than 'a candidate who is better than the alternative' , I believe she is expressing the views of the vast majority of Americans. Hillary will win, because unlike Trump, she hasn't gone out of her way to alienate every conceivable demographic.
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You young blacks should understand that Trump is not the racist you have been taught by your racist leaders to believe he is. Here is the opinion of one of Trump’s black female executives, the one in charge of charitable distributions for the Trump Organization, for your consideration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY
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No he is exactly the racist everyone knows he us, just YouTube his past statements, and speeches.
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Clinton thought she had the black vote all sewed up. The Democratic Party did too. That blacks will follow in lock step and that were guaranteed votes. Talk about counting your chickens. The Democrats, like the GOP, both have this plantation mentality. Even with a black president, the prejudice has risen against blacks; to the point of the "Black Live Matter" movement.
Add to this the black, white, and brown Millennials think alike. They are not going to embrace the politics of their parents or grand parents. Their culture is completely different from the main stream establishment politicians; like Clinton.
So, both parties are in trouble with Gen Y, and parts of Gen X. Not to mention people like myself, who are disgusted with the entire thing; an over 60 independent.
The day of reckoning is 9 weeks away; both parties deserve what they get. To use scare tactics about who will appoint to the Supreme Court, which has become the most political in history, shows a great failure of our political inst institution.s
Yes Black lives do matter, as do whit and brown. And the under 30 crowd believe that no one cares about them, except to pander for their votes. Then, when the election is over, they will be forgotten for another election cycle.
You reap what you sow.
Add to this the black, white, and brown Millennials think alike. They are not going to embrace the politics of their parents or grand parents. Their culture is completely different from the main stream establishment politicians; like Clinton.
So, both parties are in trouble with Gen Y, and parts of Gen X. Not to mention people like myself, who are disgusted with the entire thing; an over 60 independent.
The day of reckoning is 9 weeks away; both parties deserve what they get. To use scare tactics about who will appoint to the Supreme Court, which has become the most political in history, shows a great failure of our political inst institution.s
Yes Black lives do matter, as do whit and brown. And the under 30 crowd believe that no one cares about them, except to pander for their votes. Then, when the election is over, they will be forgotten for another election cycle.
You reap what you sow.
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good" is a saying especially important to consider in this election.
Trump has taken very few pains to hide his views of non-white citizens, of whether it is law enforcement or non-white citizens who are "in the wrong," of people who profess non-Christian faiths, and of the second-class and sexually-objectified nature of women in his world, among many other unsavory opinions he holds.
He has been endorsed by white nationalist groups (who don't like non-whites), white supremacist groups (who don't like non-whites), KKK members (who don't like non-whites), "conservative" white pastors (who have little room in their view of heaven for non-whites), and others who enslave non-whites through debt accumulation, reduced wages, lack of opportunity, limited access to education, and more.
I'm not a huge fan of Clinton...but I've lived long enough to see that there is no "perfect" candidate in politics, there is no candidate who will address your every need.
But there ARE bad candidates...supremely unqualified, uneducated, uncouth, and uncivilized. Those who will use Mr. Trump to maintain the status quo - especially in terms of race - have already won, in a sense; they've stirred up hatred towards non-whites to pre-1960 levels.
Do you really want a second civil war?...do you really want to find your cousin, or your sister, or yourself, hanging from a tree?
If you do, then let Trump win...but letting that happen will haunt you the rest of your life.
Trump has taken very few pains to hide his views of non-white citizens, of whether it is law enforcement or non-white citizens who are "in the wrong," of people who profess non-Christian faiths, and of the second-class and sexually-objectified nature of women in his world, among many other unsavory opinions he holds.
He has been endorsed by white nationalist groups (who don't like non-whites), white supremacist groups (who don't like non-whites), KKK members (who don't like non-whites), "conservative" white pastors (who have little room in their view of heaven for non-whites), and others who enslave non-whites through debt accumulation, reduced wages, lack of opportunity, limited access to education, and more.
I'm not a huge fan of Clinton...but I've lived long enough to see that there is no "perfect" candidate in politics, there is no candidate who will address your every need.
But there ARE bad candidates...supremely unqualified, uneducated, uncouth, and uncivilized. Those who will use Mr. Trump to maintain the status quo - especially in terms of race - have already won, in a sense; they've stirred up hatred towards non-whites to pre-1960 levels.
Do you really want a second civil war?...do you really want to find your cousin, or your sister, or yourself, hanging from a tree?
If you do, then let Trump win...but letting that happen will haunt you the rest of your life.
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good
my corollary to that is-- principles are for losers
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I'm surprised this post is a NYT Recommend. Really? Voting for Trump equals lynchings?
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Again with the ominous threat. That is no way to campaign for anybody.
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Well, Trump asked "What have the Democrats done to help you?"
Fact is...NOTHING! Things been getting worse year after year. So yes... by all means DO give Trump a chance. After all it's unemployment and under employment that are the major, underlying cause of the biggest problems.
Fact is...NOTHING! Things been getting worse year after year. So yes... by all means DO give Trump a chance. After all it's unemployment and under employment that are the major, underlying cause of the biggest problems.
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Being old and white, I cannot comment on what young blacks want, but there are obvious matters of logic and sanity at play here:
* the issue of not liking Trump or Clinton, and refusing to play "the lesser of two evils" by not voting ... is nuts, whatever your goals are. Vote a write-in candidate if you must, then vote the rest of the ballot ... but VOTE!
* Not voting, particularly not participating in the elections for local offices and congress, gives up your voice about the politicians who affect you most. Further it is these people who (normally, other than Trump) are the future candidates for higher office. Not voting in these elections ... and not voting in primaries ... produce stinker candidates and stinker elections at the top.
If you want a write-in candidate to vote for, how about Michele Obama? Classy wife of an ex-president with zero scandal attached!
* the issue of not liking Trump or Clinton, and refusing to play "the lesser of two evils" by not voting ... is nuts, whatever your goals are. Vote a write-in candidate if you must, then vote the rest of the ballot ... but VOTE!
* Not voting, particularly not participating in the elections for local offices and congress, gives up your voice about the politicians who affect you most. Further it is these people who (normally, other than Trump) are the future candidates for higher office. Not voting in these elections ... and not voting in primaries ... produce stinker candidates and stinker elections at the top.
If you want a write-in candidate to vote for, how about Michele Obama? Classy wife of an ex-president with zero scandal attached!
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Another West Indian day parade here in Flatbush, another J'ouvert festival and another Labor Day dawns with African Americans shot to death. A woman , 22, shot in the face. A man, "between 19 and 22", shot in the chest. Two more black bodies in a city with "historic low crime rates". Everyone knows the names James Garner, Amadou Diallo, Shawn Bell, yet who can give the name of even just one of the thousands of young people whose lives were taken not by the police, but by a member of the same underclass. Do all black lives really matter to white liberals or do they only matter if they are snuffed out on that perimeter where the white establishment and the black underclass overlap?
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are not coming to Malcolm X Boulevard to save black folk. John Lewis is not coming to Marcus Garvey Blvd nor Jesus nor Louis Farakhan. What happens next is up to us.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are not coming to Malcolm X Boulevard to save black folk. John Lewis is not coming to Marcus Garvey Blvd nor Jesus nor Louis Farakhan. What happens next is up to us.
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Bernie Sanders would have run away with this election - he would have gotten every single vote Hillary will get PLUS millions more she will never get (including the voters profiled in this article). The only reason Trump has cut the polling gap to down to a 1 to 2 point race (check the latest polls in the NYT's 'Politics' page), is because the DNC rigged the primaries to nominate the ONLY candidate that could lose to Trump. Unbelievable.
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You are absolutely correct. Thank you.
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Clinton 2016!
Because The Alternative Is Unspeakable...
This is the unspoken slogan of the 2016 campaign. I can't blame young Black people - or anyone else - for finding this uninspiring or downright disheartening.
Because The Alternative Is Unspeakable...
This is the unspoken slogan of the 2016 campaign. I can't blame young Black people - or anyone else - for finding this uninspiring or downright disheartening.
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The "liberal" Times strikes again! Another horse race story designed to make the Vulgar Talking Yam competitive. Where are the stories focusing on the fact the Donald bribed the Texas and Florida AGs with "campaign donations" to drop their investigations of the Trump U grift?
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I too loathe but Trump and Clinton . However for any person of color who is undecided I have two words for you. RUDY GIULIANI. When this man, Trump's top advisor, gets a position in his cabinet it will be disastrous for America. Listen to him attack BLM or the Black Panthers. Ask any black New Yorker about this racist filth. Sorry, got to hold your nose and pull that lever for Clinton.
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Nice lead story, because why lead w Drumpf bribing attorney generals to look the other way on a fraudulent university, which would be, you know, a felony?Now back to Clinton's emails ...
#NYTfail
#NYTfail
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You really want to talk Clinton's emails? Like the lost laptop? And the eleven out of thirteen devices she used which they can't find?
I know, you don't recall any of that.
I know, you don't recall any of that.
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My, my my, We now have young Blacks believing that the Clinton is going to derail what they mistakenly think is their innate entitlement. Not for nothing, at age 66 years oldand Black I have a message for those young Blacks. You believe yourselves to be entitled thanks to the wars civil and toehrwise that us baby boomers fought so you could land in a safer place. Our mistake was in rescuing you ingrates from the horrors of racism. Wake up please young Blacks, Mrs. Clinton may not be perfect but at least she will try to make things better for you and your possible children. Although I am concerned that you guys will never have children because you guys are way too selfish and have zero social skills. I don't expect for Mrs. Clinton to understand every battle I fought thoughout my life, but a post racial society doesn;t exist simply because we have President Obama.
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Wow, young people will truly be convinced to vote as you say. Your post is so supportive and encouraging!
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A."Mrs. Clinton’s aides have gone to great lengths to project an image of her as down-to-earth and attuned to the challenges of what she likes to call “the struggling and the striving."
To this:
B."Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a backer of Democrats and a friend of the Clintons’, made sure attendees did not grill Mrs. Clinton at the $100,000-per-couple lamb dinner Mrs. Forester de Rothschild hosted under a tent on the lawn of her oceanfront Martha’s Vineyard mansion".
C.Creates an utter turn-off.
D.Hillary needs to act on this-now.
To this:
B."Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a backer of Democrats and a friend of the Clintons’, made sure attendees did not grill Mrs. Clinton at the $100,000-per-couple lamb dinner Mrs. Forester de Rothschild hosted under a tent on the lawn of her oceanfront Martha’s Vineyard mansion".
C.Creates an utter turn-off.
D.Hillary needs to act on this-now.
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well, how was th lamb, at least ?
I would hope that at that price, at least lambs were killed humanely.
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Let's be honest here, the skepticism shared by some young black Americans toward Mrs. Clinton is shared by multiple demographics. But, in the end, the contempt for Mr. Trump will carry the day - particularly among the young black Americans covered in this story. Why? Here's why. In 2016 a presidential candidate visits a house of worship and it produces national headlines. `Trump Visits Black Church' announced The Times and other papers from coast to coast. Think about it. `Trump Visits Black Church' is a headline!!! In 2016, for goodness' sake. The fact that Mr. Trump's embarrassing appearance drew national headlines says it all. And young black Americans will respond appropriately. (However, that doesn't mean their doubts about Mrs. Clinton are entirely misplaced.)
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This is not only the way young blacks feel. I am almost 75 years old, and I am truly disheartened by the choices the major parties have given me. I won't vote for either one. For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering not voting. I would venture that most Americans are facing the same dilemma. If the mainstream media outlets were giving fair coverage to Johnson and Stein, polling numbers would be much different. PLEASE start covering Johnson and Stein in depth!
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Worry not just about your present, but about the future for your family.
Yes, neither candidate is great, but one of them will win and they will appoint at least one Supreme Court justice, and they will appoint an Attorney General. I cannot imagine Giuliani as AG, which I fear Trump would do, and we cannot afford a more conservative Supreme Court.
I will vote for Clinton...this is not an ideal presidential race, but it is the reality.
Yes, neither candidate is great, but one of them will win and they will appoint at least one Supreme Court justice, and they will appoint an Attorney General. I cannot imagine Giuliani as AG, which I fear Trump would do, and we cannot afford a more conservative Supreme Court.
I will vote for Clinton...this is not an ideal presidential race, but it is the reality.
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Ok. Don't vote, or vote for Stein or Johnson
Trump is president. There goes the Supreme Court and we become the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Congrats
Trump is president. There goes the Supreme Court and we become the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Congrats
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@clark
There is a difference between not voting at all -- and considering to vote for someone else.
So, what is it????
There is a difference between not voting at all -- and considering to vote for someone else.
So, what is it????
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I strongly disagree there is a "Black vote" or a "Hispanic vote" or even a "White vote" or a "Youth vote." These are created media labels because the media doesn't understand that people vote their conscience and their wallets. People vote, not ethnic, gender or age groups. Individual people vote.
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If people really voted "their consciences and their wallets," the Republican party would have been defunct decades ago. Most people vote based on fear, if they bother to vote at all.
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That's very idealistic of you. But the fact is the media didn't "create" the Black, White, Hispanic, or Youth "vote" -- as much as categorize it, with extremely limited information.
That's why one should be wary of polls.
That's why one should be wary of polls.
All voters, young, black, or otherwise need to ask themselves only one question: "Who do I want to pick the next Supreme Court Justices?"
A Democrat will pick justices that support gun control, human rights, and affirmative action and oppose voter restrictions. Trump says, "What have you got to lose?" Clinton says, "Everything."
She's right.
A Democrat will pick justices that support gun control, human rights, and affirmative action and oppose voter restrictions. Trump says, "What have you got to lose?" Clinton says, "Everything."
She's right.
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In the end, this may be the best way to look at a terrible choice. We have a racist and a liar to choose from. But I'd rather have the Democratic liar picking the next SCOTUS nominee than the Republican racist.
Anyway, thanks for giving the election a little more perspective, at least for me. We don't need another Clarence Thomas. Scary to even think about it.
Anyway, thanks for giving the election a little more perspective, at least for me. We don't need another Clarence Thomas. Scary to even think about it.
God helps those who help themselves. The black community doesn't need either candidate.
The welcome mat has been out for a long time. Become an American citizen instead of a 'disrespected' black person.
The welcome mat has been out for a long time. Become an American citizen instead of a 'disrespected' black person.
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Was Article I, Section 2 of the constitution that states black people are 3/5 a white person ever amended? If not then there is NO 'welcome mat'. Hell, white america didnt even welcome the Harlem Hellfighters after EITHER world wars.
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Is that what your activists are telling you now? I just looked it up and could not find anything like that in the Constitution.
I know I can buy alcohol anywhere and any time I care to so that amendment prohibiting the sale of alcohol is no longer in effect.
I know I can buy alcohol anywhere and any time I care to so that amendment prohibiting the sale of alcohol is no longer in effect.
I just love good investigation journalism---especially the kind where the journalist has an agenda and a story written before they do any research. Then it is simple to find the right quotes and interview the right experts to prove your thesis. This is becoming almost de rigeur at most news sites--I am glad to see the Times is following the trend.
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As a person pf color, my conscience does not allow me to vote for Mrs. Clinton. Ever since she went to that African American church in Atlanta and put on her fake black accent proclaiming from the pulpit in muddled english "I ain't in no ways tired" she lost me forever.
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wait to you see trump in black face !
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Based on this youtube, she is quoting someone else and the crowd liked it just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGDm4jkDbGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGDm4jkDbGQ
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Did she really say this? Disgusting. Looks like booth candidates are racists and liars. Lucky us.......
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Hillary Clinton never received the support of young voters, including African-Americans. That vote went overwhelmingly to Bernie Sanders. By pivoting to the right in selecting Tim Kaine as her running mate and working hard to recruit Republicans, Sec. Clinton risks losing this essential part of the Obama coalition necessary to win in November and retake the Senate. It could be a catastrophic mistake to continue to ignore millennial voters who, at this point, may stay home on November 8. It's time for Mrs. Clinton to send out President Obama and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie himself to rally young African-American voters to her cause.
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Maybe it's time for Ms. Clinton to get out of the Hamptons and her super rich friends and start campaigning with the people that matter: the electorate.
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@wortman
You do realize that there is such a thing as "reaching across the aisle", don't you? -- This is something Bernie Sanders was unable/unwilling to do ... and something that Clinton must do.
The country isn't made up of only one particular political mind-set, or age-demographic.
You do realize that there is such a thing as "reaching across the aisle", don't you? -- This is something Bernie Sanders was unable/unwilling to do ... and something that Clinton must do.
The country isn't made up of only one particular political mind-set, or age-demographic.
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“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?” another young black woman from Ohio said.
The conclusion that Mrs. Clinton "is a liar" reflects a young person immersed in right-wing slander against Mrs. Clinton. It is no surprise that the older generation of African-Americans, who know the positive things Mrs. Clinton stands for, endorse her, while those who grew up hearing innuendo and libel believe the propaganda.
The conclusion that Mrs. Clinton "is a liar" reflects a young person immersed in right-wing slander against Mrs. Clinton. It is no surprise that the older generation of African-Americans, who know the positive things Mrs. Clinton stands for, endorse her, while those who grew up hearing innuendo and libel believe the propaganda.
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"The conclusion that Mrs. Clinton "is a liar" reflects a young person immersed in right-wing slander against Mrs. Clinton"
Actually I think they can see through the establishment propaganda.
Actually I think they can see through the establishment propaganda.
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There are just as many older people of all colors who have concluded that MsClinton can not be trusted. There is no propaganda. It is truth. Just read at least one of the released files from the FBI, the Oversight Committee, or go back and watch for yourself her testimony. Speak to the families who lost loved ones at Benghazi. Read one of their families'accounts or watch one of their films about Benghazi. This is not propaganda this is the truth.
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Propaganda? Innuendo? Libel? You need to watch, and listen, to all national news. It is no secret, no "vast right wing conspiracy". Hillary Clinton has lied and continues to lie and makes no apology for her inability to tell the truth.
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"The focus groups and interviews with young black activists suggest many of them are not aware of Mrs. Clinton’s plans regarding police conduct, mass incarceration and structural racism broadly."
When Bernie Sanders talked about those issues the Clinton media team condemned him for assuming blacks were concerned only with those issues.
Odd, what's a flaw for him is a virtue for her.
When Bernie Sanders talked about those issues the Clinton media team condemned him for assuming blacks were concerned only with those issues.
Odd, what's a flaw for him is a virtue for her.
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Well, if anyone thinks young people of any ilk or ethnicity might think that Donald Trump is their daddy, think again. Young people might be conflicted about how unfair life works and student debt, but they know a redneck at ten thousand yards. And which he is nothing but high polish white trash. Trump Towers is in bad taste and stinks like a bowl of turpentine and marshmallows. The GOP needs to disaggregate and fly into outer space and take a break from trying to own the pelvic floor of every woman in the world. And, please stop the Trump religious fakery as every decent person knows and understands that the man slathers testosterone into his scalp and into his devil's heart everyday. He is a tall order bully that hates Mexcans and brown people of all distinctions without apology. He is a self admitted draft dodger coward with a handmaiden caring for his needs (everyday). Young back men and women are smart, clever and willful in every regard. Hopefully we'll have fifty-five percent of the congress from the ranks of brown and black people in America in my lifetime (I'm already old).
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Do Black millenials express the same kind of doubts about Black senators, and congressmen/women of the Bill Clinton era? Are they as vocal about down ticket races as they should be? Vacillating between Hillary and Trump is really a lot of coffee-talk (I'm sorry). Black millenials (actually ALL millenials) should show the same energy and interest when it comes to senate, house, district and local elections. That is where the road meets the rubber.
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The beauty of being, regardless of color, is having so much opportunity ahead of you, but it comes at the expense of perspective. This is not about who is a racist and who is a liar (though there are valid arguments there) but who is going to further your opportunities and care about your needs. Mrs. Clinton has made plenty of mistakes, but despite her cool demeanor, she cares about minorities of all ages, unlike Mr. Trump, who has demonstrated racism and advocated fascism and totalitarianism his whole life. If young African Americans don't vote, they will have only themselves to blame for what the next four to eight years are like for all of us.
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Please. The Democratic Party will have only itself to blame if their candidate doesn't win against one of the most loathsome candidates that has ever run for the presidency.
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We've been getting executed in the streets by the very ones sent to protect all of us, while our white counterparts cheer on our deaths and financially support our murderers. Young blacks have nothing to gain from elections and more to gain from organizing and pooling resources. We are being targeted by everyone from the neighborhood patrol to mayors. 1 election wont help us.
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Brian, one election can do you and everyone great harm. Think about it.
The idea of not-voting or thinking that this election doesn't matter presumes that a president cannot do extraordinary damage -- consider GWB's presidency.
You might also consider James Buchanan. Most historians consider it a toss-up these days as to whether Buchanan or Bush#2 was the worst President in US history -- hard to decide due to the apples-v-oranges nature of the comparison given circumstances.
The idea of not-voting or thinking that this election doesn't matter presumes that a president cannot do extraordinary damage -- consider GWB's presidency.
You might also consider James Buchanan. Most historians consider it a toss-up these days as to whether Buchanan or Bush#2 was the worst President in US history -- hard to decide due to the apples-v-oranges nature of the comparison given circumstances.
I'm a 60 yr old white woman - and I have exactly the same concerns.
Clearly ths problem is not restricted to young voters of color.
Clearly ths problem is not restricted to young voters of color.
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Exactly. Don't try to pin this mess to Black voters.
I'm sure, like so many other sixty-somethings, we'll both be voting against Trump in this election.
The unspoken campaign slogan of this year is hardly inspiring:
Clinton 2016!
Because The Alternative Is Unspeakable...
I'm sure, like so many other sixty-somethings, we'll both be voting against Trump in this election.
The unspoken campaign slogan of this year is hardly inspiring:
Clinton 2016!
Because The Alternative Is Unspeakable...
So. Does that mean you aren't in the least bit skepical of a outright racist like Donald Trump?? -- or does being a 60 year-old white woman make you exempt???
No body to blame but the democrats who rigged the primaries to crown the chosen one. You have a popular honest progressive in Sanders but the democrat elite decided to get in bed with a habitual lying, money grubbing career politician who has never accomplish anything but ride the coat tail of Bill Clinton. How many more lies Hillary is going to tell about her emails? 20 years in the White House, senator and as Secretary of State and she claims she does not know what a classified document looks like? She can make this claim with a straight face? Democrat elite shoving another democrat royalty down our throats.
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Let's be honest. If Bernie had been selected (and I voted for him, BTW), there would be many people calling him the first cousin to Chairman Mao. The right wing propaganda machine would paint a very scary picture for most middle-of-the-spectrum voters. Socialism! The horror! I don't think you can count on the young voters to tear themselves away from their iPhones to actually show up at the polls. Trump would walk in.
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Yes, if you receive an email that has no classified markings over an unclassified email system, you automatically assume it's classified. Therefore, if you receive 60,000 emails, you agonize over each and every one, instead of doing your job.
Surprised the headline didn't read Dark Cloud Hangs Over Hillary, More Evidence Not Everyone Loves Her. Probably the darkest cloud over Hillary these days is the utter complacency of the New York Times Editorial Board in the face of an existential threat to the very peace and security of the United States of America (and of the entire world) like Donald Trump.
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Seems like the prescription for Hillary is fairly clear: get out and communicate as a genuine person, not a stumping politician. Her husband knows how to do that, in his own style. Hillary needs to bring out her own style, if possible. Her reticence to do so, while it may be based in a justified fear of ridicule, nonetheless casts her an unfavorable "impersonal" light. At this time in the campaign voters want to know the person, not just the politician. Everyone has a mother. Showing that side of her would be beneficial. It's time for warmth. But it can't come from anyone else.
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I don't want politicians to read me a bedtime story or sing me a song.
I want politicians that understand what needs to be done to move the country forward, develop policy and build governing coalitions. In other words, I want politicians that can govern effectively.
I want politicians that understand what needs to be done to move the country forward, develop policy and build governing coalitions. In other words, I want politicians that can govern effectively.
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She has been campaigning since 2007 - and planning her run since Bill left office. Every move, every word is weighed and calculated. After a decade of campaigning there is NO "genuine person" left.
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As a Bernie supporter and someone who pulled the lever for him in the California primary, I'm having to hold my nose and vote for Hilary. This is a long game people and it often has to start from the bottom up. That means state and county level people who are progressive have to be elected, not just a focus on the president every four years. Pressure will have to be kept on with representatives constantly to make sure the bankers and others who have disproportionate access do not continue to have it going forward. Change is not going to happen overnight. or in one fell swoop. We got some big things with Obama, but he was too easy on the bankers as well as other things. Republicans are going to continue to be resistant.
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The best thing that happened to your prophet, Bernie, is that he was not nominated. None of his social programs could be paid for in the real world where reality overcomes childish slogans and naive aspirations. In no time he would end up like Mitterrand and Roland, both socialist presidents of France, who, upon being elected, had to U turn on most of their election promises when confronted with reality. Unemployment in France, at the present, is over 10% with no relief in sight. Unemployment among the youth, many of them the same age as Bernie's supporter, is over 24%.
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Quite simply, there's no choice other than Clinton or trump. Although Clinton is no sanders, there's no doubt trump is not intelligent enough to be president (his mouth is not controlled by his brain, that says enough). Trump is not controlled by special interests, he's controlled by a special interest, himself. With his bankruptcies and owing money to foreign countries, his not paying American workers, not using American companies to make trump products, not paying hs fair share of taxes, his charity money ending up in his own pockets, saying whatever he believes his audiences want hear, he's bigoted, he's vain, I could keep going. Blacks are not stupid enough to let trump win so I wonder what the author Jonathan Martin is attempting here.
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@genie
Just by asking, I think you have already figured out what the author is attempting to do here...and so have I.
Just by asking, I think you have already figured out what the author is attempting to do here...and so have I.
Is not voting the best way for black millenials to change the system? That seems like a self-defeating proposition.
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I highly agree. Whether it's black millenials, disgruntled GOPs, Sander sympathizers, or democrats questioning Ms Clinton, if one does not vote, one's voice is never heard. How many people say I'm fed up, I'm not voting? I don't like either candidate, I'm sitting this one out? It is our right and a privilege to vote in this country. Great sacrifics have been made since our country began. This lack of respect for voting and helping your party even if you're not hyped about your candidate is hogwash......Everyone who can vote, should vote!
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Ed Dallas - When you witness a crime and there is nobody to report it to, you don't participate, you go home.
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Considering just about every big city has a black mayor, AG or police chief I think they have voted to change things... Sadly, like the rest of us they have learned that class and money drive the political world and not race or religion.
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Chris Wallace has said it's not his job to be a "truth squad" and Chuck Todd has said it was not his job to correct Republican lies about Obamacare. These "journalists" are actually stenographers.
In a media regime with foot soldiers like these, Hillary Clinton has been repeatedly exonerated of the smears leveled against her but her clean hands are woefully underreported--sometimes unreported altogether. Instead, many media outlets continue to traffic in unsubstantiated innuendo unfairly trashing Clinton. Paul Krugman does a magnificent job chronicling this in his column today.
The article regarding disaffected young black voters supposedly causing Democrats worry is another oddity. Support for Trump, chief birther & proven racist landlord, among the African-American population as a whole generally ranges from 0% to 2%. And yet the NYT focuses on a subset of this small group, ostensibly worrisome to Dems, as it's top story today. For shame.
Many people depend on press and media like the Times in making their political decisions. Please make the truth clear. Do not walk the weaselly path that other "journalists" are treading. Please drop the dishonest false equivalence between the two presidential campaigns. You know full well the lunacy, corruption (e.g., the pay-for-play with FL's AG), and danger embodied in Trump's candidacy. As his ghostwriter Tony Schwartz says, his election poses the threat of national destruction. Do not facilitate such an apocalypse.
In a media regime with foot soldiers like these, Hillary Clinton has been repeatedly exonerated of the smears leveled against her but her clean hands are woefully underreported--sometimes unreported altogether. Instead, many media outlets continue to traffic in unsubstantiated innuendo unfairly trashing Clinton. Paul Krugman does a magnificent job chronicling this in his column today.
The article regarding disaffected young black voters supposedly causing Democrats worry is another oddity. Support for Trump, chief birther & proven racist landlord, among the African-American population as a whole generally ranges from 0% to 2%. And yet the NYT focuses on a subset of this small group, ostensibly worrisome to Dems, as it's top story today. For shame.
Many people depend on press and media like the Times in making their political decisions. Please make the truth clear. Do not walk the weaselly path that other "journalists" are treading. Please drop the dishonest false equivalence between the two presidential campaigns. You know full well the lunacy, corruption (e.g., the pay-for-play with FL's AG), and danger embodied in Trump's candidacy. As his ghostwriter Tony Schwartz says, his election poses the threat of national destruction. Do not facilitate such an apocalypse.
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Some people rely on the actual proof about Hillary's lies and top secret e mails on a server she knew to be insecure. The proof is in the FBI director's testimony when he said she lied multiple times to a congressional investigating committee. Judicial Watch has sworn testimony from her staff that she knew the server was not secure but continued using it anyway, and the FBI recently released this information: her e mail was breached by hostile foreign powers. So I have to agree with you: these candidates are not comparable. One thought so little of our national secrets that she exposed the names of our spies while still in the field, and she exposed our drone strike schedule. Her indifference to our national security is mind-boggling. Trump is a true patriot. He seeks our safety and our security. He is for enforcing our laws. Me, too.
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You call Trump a "proven racist landlord". Do you have proof that he was actually renting those apartments? Of course not.
In the meantime, even Jesse Jackson has commended him for a lifetime of service to African Americans. Google it, and watch him say it if you dare.
In the meantime, even Jesse Jackson has commended him for a lifetime of service to African Americans. Google it, and watch him say it if you dare.
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Todd and Wallace are mouthpieces for the leftist Democrats.
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“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither? That statement says it all. People are believing the liberal lie about Trump. There is no proof of such claim only the rhetoric of the left.
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The "liberal lie about Trump?" I suppose you don't know what that "C" meant on the Trump rental housing application forms, Shade - let me enlighten you. I means "Colored" and these people were systematically excluded from being able to rent any apartments in Trump family buildings.
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Trump has made too many racist statements out of his own mouth. That is why he is known far and wide as a racist. But he says he "loves the blacks" ... so that makes him not racist? Get real.
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Trump was successfully sued for discriminatory housing practices by the Justice Dept and then willfully ignored orders to fix it. His anti-African-American comments are on record. There's no "liberal lie". There doesn't have to be. Trump's on the record in his business practices and his condescending rhetoric.
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Young black voters who want Purity of the Turf may well get Trumpo elected. Then they will have the rest of their lives to consider their idiocy when a Jim Crow majority on SCOTUS that could last decades eviscerates their civil rights:
See, e.g., Shelby County (5/4 decision invalidating preclearance provisions for Jim Crow states to change voting rules);
NAACP v. McCrory (4/4 split denying stay of 4th Circuit ruling invalidating NC black voter suppression scheme with 4 conservatives voting in favor of stay despite overwhelming evidence that NC legislature acted with invidious racially discriminatory intent in passing scheme); and
Connick v. Thompson (5/4 decision overturning millions damage award to black plaintiff incarcerated for decades after deliberate misconduct by Jim Crow New Orleans district attorney Harry Connick).
The best thing young black voters can do to guarantee the election of a died in the wool racist demagogue and the appointment of more Scalias, Roberts, Aliotos and Thomases on SCOTUS is to sit out the election pouting because Hillary and the Democrates haven't got a perfect record on Civil Rights.
See, e.g., Shelby County (5/4 decision invalidating preclearance provisions for Jim Crow states to change voting rules);
NAACP v. McCrory (4/4 split denying stay of 4th Circuit ruling invalidating NC black voter suppression scheme with 4 conservatives voting in favor of stay despite overwhelming evidence that NC legislature acted with invidious racially discriminatory intent in passing scheme); and
Connick v. Thompson (5/4 decision overturning millions damage award to black plaintiff incarcerated for decades after deliberate misconduct by Jim Crow New Orleans district attorney Harry Connick).
The best thing young black voters can do to guarantee the election of a died in the wool racist demagogue and the appointment of more Scalias, Roberts, Aliotos and Thomases on SCOTUS is to sit out the election pouting because Hillary and the Democrates haven't got a perfect record on Civil Rights.
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Lincoln was a Republican, winthropo. He's the president who ended slavery.
Remember?
Civil war. End of slavery. Republican president.
Remember?
Civil war. End of slavery. Republican president.
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More mindlessly divisive and racist scare tactics. It's sad that Democrats foment racism in order to divide the electorate, lie to minorities and keep people of color enslaved on the big-government plantation. Democrats have had more than half-of-a-century to fulfill their promises to black Americans, and they have failed. It took Republican president Lincoln to end black slavery by Democrats in the late 1800s; we need a President Trump to end black slavery by Democrat's in 2016.
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I'm guessing it's this very kind of false, incendiary rhetoric that is turning away younger black voters. You see, they know it's not any more difficult for a black person to get a free photo-ID to vote than it is for anyone else of any other color.
They know that a court ruling from 1984 has nothing whatsoever to do with Jim Crow, and was because of 2 dishonest prosecutors. But they also know there have been dishonest prosecutors who have done the same thing to white people - and even to entire college lacrosse teams - and it has nothing whatsoever to do with race.
Hopefully more and more young blacks will start viewing candidates through an objective lens and based on facts rather than the decades of fear-mongering and dishonesty as seen in far too many comments in this discussion.
They know that a court ruling from 1984 has nothing whatsoever to do with Jim Crow, and was because of 2 dishonest prosecutors. But they also know there have been dishonest prosecutors who have done the same thing to white people - and even to entire college lacrosse teams - and it has nothing whatsoever to do with race.
Hopefully more and more young blacks will start viewing candidates through an objective lens and based on facts rather than the decades of fear-mongering and dishonesty as seen in far too many comments in this discussion.
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My sympathies are with the young folk who are frustrated at the entrenched favoritism toward Big Money. Many of us older folk started out frustrated thirty years ago when the oldsters overwhelmingly voted Reagan into office and started the decimation of the middle and lower classes. By the time B. Clinton got into office, the die was cast, and the country had swung so far to the right that I no longer recognized the progressive world of my childhood in the '60s.
Ever since then, voters have pushed Democrats even further right, to the point where they would be barely distinguishable from the Republicans -- were it not that the Republicans have gone so far to the right that they've been pushed off the spectrum of moderation altogether and are now a prototypical white supremacist, possibly fascist party.
This is incredibly disheartening for those of us who have better ideas for the country.
However, elections are about more than the presidency. The fate of the Supreme Court hangs in the balance, and the fate of the Senate is also in question. We have to write off the House in this election cycle, but that doesn't mean we can't give them a good fight and lay the foundations for the 2018 elections.
We have to elect Hillary. She may have a past that people are wary of, but if we, the voters, can trounce Trump, she will see that the tide is at last turning and be emboldened to proceed with a more liberal bent. She has a heart, while her major opponent does not.
Ever since then, voters have pushed Democrats even further right, to the point where they would be barely distinguishable from the Republicans -- were it not that the Republicans have gone so far to the right that they've been pushed off the spectrum of moderation altogether and are now a prototypical white supremacist, possibly fascist party.
This is incredibly disheartening for those of us who have better ideas for the country.
However, elections are about more than the presidency. The fate of the Supreme Court hangs in the balance, and the fate of the Senate is also in question. We have to write off the House in this election cycle, but that doesn't mean we can't give them a good fight and lay the foundations for the 2018 elections.
We have to elect Hillary. She may have a past that people are wary of, but if we, the voters, can trounce Trump, she will see that the tide is at last turning and be emboldened to proceed with a more liberal bent. She has a heart, while her major opponent does not.
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“because the conversation that younger black voters are having is no longer one about settling on a candidate who is better than the alternative.”
With the election 2 months away, this is the only conversation that everybody, not just black people should be having.
If you do not like either Trump or Hillary, get involved now so that in four years time we get better alternatives. Now it is too late for anything other than who is the better alternative this November.
Given Trump's record and character there is only one choice, unpleasant as it might be.
Trump has already told you that he will pack the Supreme Court with conservative justices. This alone will determine the sort of society that we will live on for the next few decades.
With the election 2 months away, this is the only conversation that everybody, not just black people should be having.
If you do not like either Trump or Hillary, get involved now so that in four years time we get better alternatives. Now it is too late for anything other than who is the better alternative this November.
Given Trump's record and character there is only one choice, unpleasant as it might be.
Trump has already told you that he will pack the Supreme Court with conservative justices. This alone will determine the sort of society that we will live on for the next few decades.
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When the parents of privileged teenage children are charged the equivalent of the monthly income of a poverty-level family of four so their kids can ask Hillary a question at an all-white fundraiser in the Hamptons, you can bet she has a problem, and not just with black voters. She has a problem with reality.
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Yes, that was another astonishing low, but perfectly revealing what Clinton stands for.
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It seems that these kids do not understand the implications of a GOP win. Their fundamental expectation to vote unimpeded...hardly a valid expectation in a post-Shelby v. Holder world. Since the Supreme Court gutted Section 5 of the Civil Rights Act in 2013 the South began behaving badly.
Freed from Section 5, Texas, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, and South Carolina all passed laws - including requiring photo IDs to vote. Given the expense of the ID (time off from work, copies of documents), this is essentially a poll tax despite non-existent voter fraud in all these States.
Any challenges to these laws have to be heard in court...all the way up to the Supreme Court, where there is one open seat and several likely ones. A GOP win = conservative judge = uphold these laws = all people of color will face the new Jim Crow.
It is beyond naive to think you can advocate change by enabling a Trump win - a candidate who represents a Party that is actively working to suppress your fundamental right to vote.
Freed from Section 5, Texas, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, and South Carolina all passed laws - including requiring photo IDs to vote. Given the expense of the ID (time off from work, copies of documents), this is essentially a poll tax despite non-existent voter fraud in all these States.
Any challenges to these laws have to be heard in court...all the way up to the Supreme Court, where there is one open seat and several likely ones. A GOP win = conservative judge = uphold these laws = all people of color will face the new Jim Crow.
It is beyond naive to think you can advocate change by enabling a Trump win - a candidate who represents a Party that is actively working to suppress your fundamental right to vote.
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How could anyone of any race, let alone our Hispanic and African American citizens, support a candidate who is proud to be described as a Neo-Liberal, warmongering politician? None of us are safe but especially my friends and co-workers with children in those communities. My friends who live in South Central and Compton (among other areas of So. California) are constantly threatened. Those who live there know that Obama let them down and sadly, with her husband's history of disasterous crime bills and trade deals that Hillary Clinton supported will, too. Yes, Trump is an idiot but, in my opinion, the Clinton's are far more dangerous. We need to stop militarizing our law enforcement across the country but I doubt it will happen because the Clinton's donors need to cut deals with her and her staff so they can make even more money. What horrible candidates both of these two are - whoever wins, it will be all of us who live here who'll lose.
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Blacks are not the only people who are terrified by the prospect of choosing between equally-toxic candidates. Voting for a lesser evil is still evil. Non-wealthy Americans have not heard from Hillary since the convention. She spends all of her time consorting with the wealthy as though they are her only constituents. Is this how she will govern if elected? Will citizens have to pony up a $250,000 check to get her administration to address our concerns? Are you SOL if you don't have that kind of money? I hear constantly that only Hillary can make the proper Supreme Court appointments but she is neither talking nor listening to the average American so I am not convinced. And then there are the numerous lies about Servergate.
I am in no way a Trump supporter but this election is a choice between two dumpster fires and a very sad commentary on America.
I am in no way a Trump supporter but this election is a choice between two dumpster fires and a very sad commentary on America.
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Agreed. Considering her VP pick was about as tone deaf and insulting to the true progressives in the party.
I don't think she gives one lick about addressing popular concerns through Supreme Court appointments. one can argue that the mob should not have the ultimate say (that's whAt the court is for), but we should be heard when she is making her decisions.
I hope she surprises all of us, because she is the best person to hold the disaster that is DT whether we like it or not.
I don't think she gives one lick about addressing popular concerns through Supreme Court appointments. one can argue that the mob should not have the ultimate say (that's whAt the court is for), but we should be heard when she is making her decisions.
I hope she surprises all of us, because she is the best person to hold the disaster that is DT whether we like it or not.
As George Bernard Shaw famously noted, "Democracy is a system of government that ensures we are governed no better than we deserve." If Drumpf wins because people saw no significant difference between a sociopathic bigoted narcissistic liar and someone who, with all her faults, has led a life dedicated to public service, then we will surely have gotten what we deserve. In fact, we have gotten what we deserved for decades. We deserved Nixon, Carter, Reagan, the Bushies, Clinton and Obama. We deserved them all...the good and the bad.
We deserved them, in large measure, because we believe the lies told by the media. The false equivalencies between the Clinton Foundation that has done good for millions around the world and the Trump Foundation whose most noted "achievement" was to bribe Florida's Attorney General to NOT go after Trump U for fraud after she received an illegal $25,000 donation from the Trump Foundation. If your only source of news is the NY Times you will never have read about this except in the Comments section.
Those young blacks who equate one speech of Hillary Clinton's back in the 1990s with the life-long bigotry and racism off the Trump family will deserve a president who will appoint justices to the US Supreme Court who will approve all the racist means to prevent blacks...and poor people in general... from voting now being tried out in Republican controlled states.
Shame on the NY Times for its false equivalencies.
We deserved them, in large measure, because we believe the lies told by the media. The false equivalencies between the Clinton Foundation that has done good for millions around the world and the Trump Foundation whose most noted "achievement" was to bribe Florida's Attorney General to NOT go after Trump U for fraud after she received an illegal $25,000 donation from the Trump Foundation. If your only source of news is the NY Times you will never have read about this except in the Comments section.
Those young blacks who equate one speech of Hillary Clinton's back in the 1990s with the life-long bigotry and racism off the Trump family will deserve a president who will appoint justices to the US Supreme Court who will approve all the racist means to prevent blacks...and poor people in general... from voting now being tried out in Republican controlled states.
Shame on the NY Times for its false equivalencies.
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stupidity has consequences
th american condition is proof of that
With good reason. Clinton likes wealth, is more comfortable with it. When did she have a cup of tea in someone's kitchen along the road. Clinton, all Clintons are not comfortable with the common man, nor do I think interested.
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The skepticism expressed here is completely understandable and I would join in also. Trump is out of question, but Clinton is also so so, or perhaps worse. This reality was brought out by the party-driven politics. The true victim is American people. What is the difference between the two-party dictatorship and one-party dictatorship?
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Only someone who'd never lived under a genuine one party state with a genuine dictatorship could believe that what we have is the equivalent to that. You have a vote. If you exercise it regularly, you become a necessity to those who need votes to get elected, and they have to listen to you. If you don't, rest assured that those who capitalize on low turnouts, especially big corporations, including the big corporations backed by unions, like the private prison industry, and big corporations backed by political organizations, like the gun manufacturers, will eat your lunch and you will have the privilege of four more years of ineffectual and loud complaining but little change.
In Central African Republic last year, 70% of eligible voters turned out in blazing equatorial heat to wait for 7, 8, 9 hours in the sun to vote. They did so because they wanted to vote to end a war. They ended a war. What have you done with your online "activism"?
In Central African Republic last year, 70% of eligible voters turned out in blazing equatorial heat to wait for 7, 8, 9 hours in the sun to vote. They did so because they wanted to vote to end a war. They ended a war. What have you done with your online "activism"?
What have Republicans done for blacks over the years? Well, GOP candidates have used scary young black men as props to get white people to vote Republican. Republicans continue to tell blacks that slavery was their own fault, was good for them, and that even now they must try harder for themselves. More recently, many GOP-dominated states have enacted voting laws intended to restrict voting by blacks. Republicans continue to attack Affirmative Action Programs intened to help blacks get jobs and a college education. Why would voting for a Republican candidate even be part of the conversation for blacks?
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You should really read/research more... the CNN story lines are getting old... You talking about voter suppression by the Republicans... well, the Democrats just suppressed the votes of their own party to ensure that a lying deceitful bitch is the nominee... wake up drone... what have Republicans done; how about the Civil Rights Act; it was the Democrats that fought it tooth and nail... the very things you accuse Republicans of is exactly what the racist Democratic party does... GET FREE OR DIE TRYING...
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Funny how liberals divide the world into black, whites and latino. What you are reporting is that honesty and ethics are important to young voters who lack the cynicism of older voters. Hillary is so 1990s and we who lived through it are enured to it, but Clintons being Clintons doesn't seem to cut it with young voters.
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"Funny how liberals divide the world into black, whites and latino."
Liberals aim to unite; it's conservatives who divide.
Liberals aim to unite; it's conservatives who divide.
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There is plenty of evidence that Hillary and Donald are both condescending pretenders.
Meanwhile, a successful 2-term ex-governor is running for president with a popular 2-term ex-governor as his running mate. Yet media sources beholden to one or the other of two political parties controlling the political process will not even print his name.
Though he may have no chance of overcoming the parties of consensus, Gary Johnson would make a good foil to the prevarication that will be prevalent during the presidential debates (assuming there are any). Too bad he'll be locked out if he can't get above 15% in national polls, which the media seems intent on ensuring.
Meanwhile, a successful 2-term ex-governor is running for president with a popular 2-term ex-governor as his running mate. Yet media sources beholden to one or the other of two political parties controlling the political process will not even print his name.
Though he may have no chance of overcoming the parties of consensus, Gary Johnson would make a good foil to the prevarication that will be prevalent during the presidential debates (assuming there are any). Too bad he'll be locked out if he can't get above 15% in national polls, which the media seems intent on ensuring.
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I was considering a vote for Johnson/Weld until Johnson's recent kiss-the-ring to the NRA nutballs, including advocacy for the insurrectionist theory of the 2A.
FUGGEDABOUTTHAT!
FUGGEDABOUTTHAT!
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"Too bad" indeed. Johnson is not in play, neither is Stein.
Gary Johnson can not even get to 15% why the money people aren't giving
Putting aside the issue of "Trump's a racist, if you don't support Hillary you're supporting him", there's a real problem underlying this hesitance. Looking at movements like BLM, there's a definite recurring message that incremental change is no longer acceptable. But there is also a skepticism about the ability of ordinary people to make changes through the ordinary political channels. For people who don't believe they can really change the system in the way they feel it needs to be changed just by voting, an argument that you have to vote for a particular candidate because the alternative is too miserable to consider sounds like more manipulative nonsense. It's only going to turn people off from voting. A candidate who really wants to reach the skeptics should get out, meet them, discuss policy initiatives, and address that feeling of powerlessness as though they were a real group of people. Unfortunately, both candidates currently seem poised to make this vote largely a referendum on their opponent, if the current ad barrages are anything to go by.
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Do you believe that Mr Trump's outreach actions since he declared his candidancy for Presidency in 2015 are not what you are describing: recently visiting Black leaders in Detroit, going to the US/Mexico border since 2014 and conversing with the every day people doing their jobs to secure our southern border, his calls to his GOP that we can do better for all minorities, his outreach visits with Hispanics since 2015 and his meeting with Latinos and Hispanics who live along the southern borders since 2015. I can add more.
~The man just became a politician. He is just strating out. He does not have years of political outreach experience like Clinton because he hasn't been running for any political. But he is putting his best foot forward since he announced his candidacy and he's out there, everywhere, talking and listening to every day people.
~The man just became a politician. He is just strating out. He does not have years of political outreach experience like Clinton because he hasn't been running for any political. But he is putting his best foot forward since he announced his candidacy and he's out there, everywhere, talking and listening to every day people.
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SL -- put bluntly, the idea that "incremental change is no longer acceptable" means get your gun, try to start a shooting revolution. The US Constitution, with separation of powers AND a senate that elects only 1/3 of senators every 2 years is structured ("rigged" if you like) to prevent rapid change.
Highly relevant to the discussion here is look at what it took to get to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Whiny slackers of any color who think "I didn't get what I want so I'm doing nothing" deserve what they get.
Highly relevant to the discussion here is look at what it took to get to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Whiny slackers of any color who think "I didn't get what I want so I'm doing nothing" deserve what they get.
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Democrats should be worried....the party no longer represents the economic interests of the average person whether black, white or otherwise. And it's not just young African Americans that are aware of this...just remember the crowds that showed up for Bernie Sanders. Anybody paying attention knows the majority of the D party are dominated by corporate shills. Our 2 party system works to serve the corporate interests and those that can afford access. The best "democracy" that money can buy.
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When I voted for the democratic it was because I believed they represented the socio-economic interestss of the working middle class in America. They stood for all races and religions and made you feel that the 'melting pot' of America was the core of the country and was what made our country strong. I have not felt this way since the 80's. I re-registered myself as an independent. In 2000 I started to vote republican. I feel they best get the needs and the importance of the middle class regardless of race.
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bernadette is over.
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Bernadette has just begun.
When will this paper show a well researched and straightforward comparison between Clinton and Trump in terms of honesty, believability, money, professionalism, etc. This whole election process is nothing but emotional guess work - waste of time.
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Let me guess, you guys had an editorial meeting in the wake of Trump's insulting "outreach tour" and this story is the result.
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trumps entire life has been an insulting outreach tour
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Clintons have in their tenure enacted policies that have led to mass incarsarton and increase in African American poverty after using them every single time to get into power.
There is little trust in her ability to follow through with all the promises she is making this time around.
No wonder only 9% of the American population chose the two rival candidates.
There is little trust in her ability to follow through with all the promises she is making this time around.
No wonder only 9% of the American population chose the two rival candidates.
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Mass incarceration is not because of the Clintons. It's also because of the rise of the private prison industry, which successfully lobbied around the country for mandatory sentencing laws. The private prison industry was a key part of the Koch Brothers right-wing network, making huge donations for policies that would increase the prison population. Another factor - which you are ignoring - is that Bill Clinton lost control of Congress in 1994. The momentum then was with Newt Gingrich and his "Contract on America." Although the prison population had surged way before Bill Clinton's election due to other factors, It was this Congress that passed the laws leading to mass incarceration.
Mr. and Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton are the reigning Master and Mistress of Mass Black Incarceration and Mass Black Welfare Deformation who "earned" $121 million from their Scheme Clinton Foundation's legally unethical appearance of impropriety by mixing and matching money and policy.
Bill Clinton was not the first black President. Hillary Clinton will not be the second. Barack Obama was not the first liberal progressive" race man" black President born of two black Bantu African American parents. Who will be the first?
The black leader dinosaur class is much too tiresome a trifling tribulation to warrant the loyalty of the new young black rising caste. Jackson, Sharpton, Morial, Brooks and Lewis etc. all belong in a natural history museum. No more mugging buffoon preacher politicians. No old time civil rights leaders or organizations stuck in the past.
I am listening to and being led by the likes of left Black Agenda. blackagendareport, Black Lives Matter Founders blacklivesmatter, Michelle Alexander, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Bryan Stevenson, Eddie Glaude, Roland Martin and K.G. Muhammad.
Bill Clinton was not the first black President. Hillary Clinton will not be the second. Barack Obama was not the first liberal progressive" race man" black President born of two black Bantu African American parents. Who will be the first?
The black leader dinosaur class is much too tiresome a trifling tribulation to warrant the loyalty of the new young black rising caste. Jackson, Sharpton, Morial, Brooks and Lewis etc. all belong in a natural history museum. No more mugging buffoon preacher politicians. No old time civil rights leaders or organizations stuck in the past.
I am listening to and being led by the likes of left Black Agenda. blackagendareport, Black Lives Matter Founders blacklivesmatter, Michelle Alexander, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Bryan Stevenson, Eddie Glaude, Roland Martin and K.G. Muhammad.
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Can you tell us who you will vote for President?
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Regarding the Clintons, "Mr. and Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton are the reigning Master and Mistress of Mass Black Incarceration", this is false and you should do your homework regarding crime and prison data through the 80s and 90s:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/criminal-justice-facts/
You should gather your own facts before you get led anywhere.
http://www.sentencingproject.org/criminal-justice-facts/
You should gather your own facts before you get led anywhere.
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And who are you voting for?
Bill Clinton on Obama:
"...Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.” "
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/10/lets-be-friends
"...Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.” "
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/10/lets-be-friends
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I followed the link.
The author of that New Yorker article is quoting a dead man who cites an unattributed source to relate a derogatory comment about Barack Obama supposedly made by the husband of a current presidential candidate to another dead man.
Everything about it is unverifiable.
That's a long way to go to find a way to denigrate Hillary Clinton.
The author of that New Yorker article is quoting a dead man who cites an unattributed source to relate a derogatory comment about Barack Obama supposedly made by the husband of a current presidential candidate to another dead man.
Everything about it is unverifiable.
That's a long way to go to find a way to denigrate Hillary Clinton.
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If they don't vote, or vote against their interests, then expect no sympathy from me.
I can't care for anyone who doesn't care for himself.
I can't care for anyone who doesn't care for himself.
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Funny, when I was growing up, my parents taught me that it was the responsibility of American voters to select the candidate who would best serve our nation as a whole. It wasn't about our own selfish interests - it was about what was best for the nation.
I still believe this. Our vote is a sacred trust. We must put our personal interests aside for a moment and vote for the candidate who will best serve our nation.
I still believe this. Our vote is a sacred trust. We must put our personal interests aside for a moment and vote for the candidate who will best serve our nation.
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As an african-american myself just reaching 60 yrs old, I am for the first time in a real quandary on who to vote for to be our next President. And no matter what the bigots and haters may think or say, I have loved having President Obama in Office the last eight years having nothing whatsoever due to his color. The fact is he been one of the most intelligent and reflective Presidents which I can remember during my lifetime. And despite the hate, and vitriol spewed his way and practiced by the Republican Party that from the outset were clearly determined NOT to advance ANY law that would help Americans of ANY color or economic background (except the upper class) if they thought there was even a slight chance Obama might get any amount of credit. That is why they did NOTHING on our infrastructure, wages, or the economy (which by the way was left in the toilet by George Bush Jr.).
With this as a background do you really think that American of color are happy or enthusiastic about this upcoming election?? Trump is a birther (and clearly a bigot in so many other ways..Mexican Judge etc.) who has been at the front of the windfall money line (why he does not want to release his taxes) and he truly wants to know what we have to lose if he is President?? Please.
Now on to Hillary who lie at the slightest hint of trouble rather than admit a mistake apologize and move on. Nice person but its hard to vote for someone you can't trust!
With this as a background do you really think that American of color are happy or enthusiastic about this upcoming election?? Trump is a birther (and clearly a bigot in so many other ways..Mexican Judge etc.) who has been at the front of the windfall money line (why he does not want to release his taxes) and he truly wants to know what we have to lose if he is President?? Please.
Now on to Hillary who lie at the slightest hint of trouble rather than admit a mistake apologize and move on. Nice person but its hard to vote for someone you can't trust!
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HRC has apologized and moved on. Why can't you? Why can't the Repubs?
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Actually I have tried but every time something new comes out about her emails she puts out new misinformation. If she would just stop things would be a lot better off.
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A vote for Clinton is a vote for endless war, back-room Wall Street cronyism, and an ever-expanding surveillance state. How in the world could a young black person support such a candidate? The Libertarian Gary Johnson - skeptical of war, anti-bailout, and pro-privacy - is the only sane choice for the millennial generation, and polls rightly show Johnson leading among this demographic. Why does the Times continue to ignore Johnson in its polling and coverage?
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Actually, a vote for Gary Johnson is a win for Trump. A libertarian would be a disaster right now. The 30-year crusade of the Koch brothers is, in fact, a libertarian crusade. Their "hate your government" philosophy has resulted in a takeover of the US Democratic process by a handful of extreme right-wing billionaires, the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of minority voters, and the most polarized economy in America's history. Not to mention a Congressional deadlock that has sabotaged of our first African American president, stalled progress on climate change, infrastructure and a host of other crucial issues. These trends are all ruinous for black millenials.
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Because he hasn't the proverbial snow ball's chance of being elected?
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So Johnson would have let GM fail? Since GM is #1 again, that would have been an epically poor choice. Thousands would have been put out of work. Besides, a vote for Johnson is meaningless. You might as well stay home.
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I'm not surprised. During the Democratic primary, the media treated us to this simplistic narrative that Sanders attracted mostly young white voters while Clinton attracted mostly minority and older white voters. Black voters are not a monolithic block. Obviously, we're not talking about a small group of young black people here otherwise it wouldn't have triggered any alarm bells for the DNP. Like all young voters, they have voted for Sanders in the primary and are still not 100% on board. It makes you wonder what who else are sitting on the fence.
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Young black voters supported Bernie Sanders?
Kind of hard the agree with that assertion when a typical Bernie Sanders rally looked more like a Trump rally with a "monolith" block of white faces and that all reputable polling firms showed that Sanders had a great deal of difficulty attracting black voters in any significant numbers.
Kind of hard the agree with that assertion when a typical Bernie Sanders rally looked more like a Trump rally with a "monolith" block of white faces and that all reputable polling firms showed that Sanders had a great deal of difficulty attracting black voters in any significant numbers.
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I can fully empathise with the sentiments in this article from Ms. Packnett among others as a young Black American. The concerns about justice, the political system, and both candidates are more than valid and need to continue to be expressed after the election process ends this fall, and after the inauguration in January as Bernie has proposed and as President Obama advised we should do.
I do strongly disagree, however with the thought that there is no difference between either candidate, whether the topic of discussion is who is qualified for the Presidency, or overall morality. This is the process. There are now two candidates and even if they are not the ones we wanted, we do have a choice. For me, I will choose the candidate who seems willing to work with Bernie Sanders, who seems to be willing to LISTEN. Donald Trump seemingly respects no one, and he is simply not held accountable for his views or statements. He absolutely does not rate minorities as you can see from his rhetoric about Muslims, Latinos, and his stereotyping the Black community in a more than egregious way with his rally in Wisconsin. He is a businessman with no political acumen whatsoever and a racist one at that. So in my opinion there is only one choice to make, and he and those in the midst of the travesty that is the modern Republican party will never be it.
These are dire times, and all Americans who wish to have a say need to make themselves heard every day of every year. Not just every four.
I do strongly disagree, however with the thought that there is no difference between either candidate, whether the topic of discussion is who is qualified for the Presidency, or overall morality. This is the process. There are now two candidates and even if they are not the ones we wanted, we do have a choice. For me, I will choose the candidate who seems willing to work with Bernie Sanders, who seems to be willing to LISTEN. Donald Trump seemingly respects no one, and he is simply not held accountable for his views or statements. He absolutely does not rate minorities as you can see from his rhetoric about Muslims, Latinos, and his stereotyping the Black community in a more than egregious way with his rally in Wisconsin. He is a businessman with no political acumen whatsoever and a racist one at that. So in my opinion there is only one choice to make, and he and those in the midst of the travesty that is the modern Republican party will never be it.
These are dire times, and all Americans who wish to have a say need to make themselves heard every day of every year. Not just every four.
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It is understandable why young blacks question the commitment of the Democratic Party to their community. It is a simplification to state that Clinton is the lesser of two evils. Clinton is not perfect but she is a far better choice than Trump. Not only does the vote have to be considered but what the party represents as a whole.
Young blacks should keep in mind that the Republican Party has sought to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. To cast him as the other, someone born on foreign soil. A non-Christian. They have also sought to suppress the black vote in the south. One needs look no further than North Carolina. Trump has been on the fore front on both issues.
Think about the environment. Fracking is one of the worst environmental disasters to happen in modern times. Man made earthquakes are real. The Republicans state that there is no connection. Oklahoma just had a 5.6 earthquake. Suddenly the drills shut down. Flint, Michigan is another horrific example.
Look at a comparison of their past records. Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in the mid-1970's, whereas Trump was marking "c" on African-American applications for no entry into his father's buildings. If he takes ownership now, he is pandering for the black vote. Don't be fooled.
Vote. Make an informed decision.
Young blacks should keep in mind that the Republican Party has sought to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. To cast him as the other, someone born on foreign soil. A non-Christian. They have also sought to suppress the black vote in the south. One needs look no further than North Carolina. Trump has been on the fore front on both issues.
Think about the environment. Fracking is one of the worst environmental disasters to happen in modern times. Man made earthquakes are real. The Republicans state that there is no connection. Oklahoma just had a 5.6 earthquake. Suddenly the drills shut down. Flint, Michigan is another horrific example.
Look at a comparison of their past records. Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in the mid-1970's, whereas Trump was marking "c" on African-American applications for no entry into his father's buildings. If he takes ownership now, he is pandering for the black vote. Don't be fooled.
Vote. Make an informed decision.
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I am making an informed decision, my own. It comes from researching the issues, listening to both candidates, reading about policy ideas they have and how it will affect our country and myself/family, thus making an informed, logical decision.
Young black people can be suckered like anyone else! It doesn't take skin color to know who's the most qualified candidate. Donald sets foot in a black church for the first time in his life and now he's an old friend to the black people? Give me a break.
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“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.” - Bill Clinton (About then Senator Barack Obama, during the 2008 campaign)
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~No, it's time for the media and the negative liberal opposition to give Mr Trump a break. He just became a cnadidate last year. If he never has attended a black church, as you say, before now it is irrelevant. Now, in present time as a candidate his actions are relevant and he's out there reaching out. No matter what he does the left just criticizes him.
~What do you say about a black person who never has been in what I assume you would call, a white church, before today? Would this make Dr Carson out to be suckering the young white people as you say?
Give us all a break and listen to both sides.
~What do you say about a black person who never has been in what I assume you would call, a white church, before today? Would this make Dr Carson out to be suckering the young white people as you say?
Give us all a break and listen to both sides.
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This is living proof if you lie about someone for 20 yrs. someone will believe it. I'm more concerned about the fact Trump has been sued over 3000 times and destroyed multiple small businesses. This is someone who thinks workers are paid too much. This is someone who has excuses for not hiring American workers. Construction jobs are jobs that helped a lot of American workers get to the Middle Class. As for the Green Party, politics are local and in my area they are DOA. You want my vote, you need to show up more than every four years. The Libertarian Party in supports issues in a certain way that supports segregation if you listen to the interview done with Rand Paul. Unhappy with the way things are done. Get out and vote in every election. Most unhappiness is at your state level. The saddest thing for me after Pres. Obama was elected was not getting him a House and Senate he could work with. Mid-terms matter. Showing up every four years only means you will get what someone who bothered to vote, voted for. Most sadly are voting against their own self-interest when they hear certain words. They are not voting based on record. I vote based on record and actions.
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The concept of a "representative republic" is just a fantasy to you. You'd prefer a dictatorship.
Hang around-Trump is going to win. Then the Republicans are going to serve up 8 years of Conservatism right down your throat. Can't wait to undo 8 years of Obama's utter stupidity.!
Hang around-Trump is going to win. Then the Republicans are going to serve up 8 years of Conservatism right down your throat. Can't wait to undo 8 years of Obama's utter stupidity.!
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There is no equivalence between Trump and Clinton. While Trump and his father were actively discriminating against people of color in housing, Mrs. Clinton was an activist for racial integration in schools. Mrs. Clinton was also endorsed by John Lewis, who remembered her participation in the Civil Rights movement.
Mrs. Clinton has done so much to promote racial equality,and Trump so much to hinder it, but the media needs to do more to set the record straight.
Mrs. Clinton has done so much to promote racial equality,and Trump so much to hinder it, but the media needs to do more to set the record straight.
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Active discrimination? Where? Prove it?
Trump has put more blacks to work than Hillary ever has and did it with his own money.
Trump has put more blacks to work than Hillary ever has and did it with his own money.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race....
Hi Econ Guy,
The above link to the in-depth article about Trump's discrimination is a good place to start.
As for employing people of color, that is like Trump employing Hispanics, immigrants and women - having these people in his employ does not mean respecting them, which he clearly does not, or that he will not pander to the worst stereotypes of them, which he clearly will.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. Best regards.
Hi Econ Guy,
The above link to the in-depth article about Trump's discrimination is a good place to start.
As for employing people of color, that is like Trump employing Hispanics, immigrants and women - having these people in his employ does not mean respecting them, which he clearly does not, or that he will not pander to the worst stereotypes of them, which he clearly will.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. Best regards.
Until Blacks punish career Democrat politicians the same way that conservative voters punished Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, etc (by voting them off the stage), nothing will change for Blacks.
Vote against Hillary and tell the next political candidate you'll consign them to the same trash heap if they don't meet your demands.
Conservative voters loved the country more than they loved the thought of beating Democrats, which is why they accepted the likely loss of Trump in the presidential race rather than allow another RINO to ascend. That makes me respect the conservative voters.
Democrats want to "win" more than they want to rid this country of lying, thieving career pols like Clinton.
Vote against Hillary and tell the next political candidate you'll consign them to the same trash heap if they don't meet your demands.
Conservative voters loved the country more than they loved the thought of beating Democrats, which is why they accepted the likely loss of Trump in the presidential race rather than allow another RINO to ascend. That makes me respect the conservative voters.
Democrats want to "win" more than they want to rid this country of lying, thieving career pols like Clinton.
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By your analogy, blacks would end up w a candidate roughly in the Louis Farakan vein. And would fail like Trump.
LOL, no old white conservatives do not have the privilege of determining how anything "works" for anyone anymore. Jim Crow laws have ended. Now the Jim Crow leaders in the repub party have lost national control, and they are losing it at the state/senate level, that is what causing the current turmoil.
The repubs have realized that even their gerrymandered districts are not enough to control the demographic social changes. They used to be able to legislate their racism, the benefit of US institutionalized racism, and used their dog whistles as usual practice. Now millenials are putting cracks in their structures.
21 century voters reject repubs concept of conservatism as nothing more than racism.
The repubs have realized that even their gerrymandered districts are not enough to control the demographic social changes. They used to be able to legislate their racism, the benefit of US institutionalized racism, and used their dog whistles as usual practice. Now millenials are putting cracks in their structures.
21 century voters reject repubs concept of conservatism as nothing more than racism.
This sounds like a real stretch. "Democrats expressing alarm," with Trump polling around 3% among African-Americans, can I suggest that those Democrats find something else to be alarmed about?
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Holiday....slow news day.......let's make an issue where probably none exits.
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I'm guessing all the decent folk are out celebrating Labor Day? It's like a Breitbart convention up in here.
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Well if these millenials would only READ and do research instead of staying in their self serving Facebook/Twitter etc. echo chambers maybe, just maybe they will learn about what Hillary has ALWAYS done for the poor and minorities and will see her ideas for issues that directly affect them.
And NYT stop with the equivalency. There is only ONE party working diligently to disenfranchaise black voters and that is the Rethugs. I am so sick of the media and their anti Hillary bias. It was there during the primaries and OMG some fool Rethug is starting another investigation, there must be something there for them to uncover so let us ensure we pursue the witch hunt with click bait false headlines.
And NYT stop with the equivalency. There is only ONE party working diligently to disenfranchaise black voters and that is the Rethugs. I am so sick of the media and their anti Hillary bias. It was there during the primaries and OMG some fool Rethug is starting another investigation, there must be something there for them to uncover so let us ensure we pursue the witch hunt with click bait false headlines.
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Funny-just talked to 20+ black guys at the local park. Just asked who they would vote for as a way to start a discussion. About 50% are voting Trump.
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@Econ - yeah I gues they are dazzled by the businesman. Well for years a certain sector of the white population have been voting against their interests, so ignorance is an equal opportunity trait.
Yeah I sound condescending. I mean to because I cannot conceive of any rational, critical thinking minority who having listened to Trump for over 16 months decides to vote for him. Don't care how much you paint him over, whitewash him (pardon the pun), wallpaper him over or put lipstick on him. He is still a pig with lipstick/paint/wallpaper over him.
Yeah I sound condescending. I mean to because I cannot conceive of any rational, critical thinking minority who having listened to Trump for over 16 months decides to vote for him. Don't care how much you paint him over, whitewash him (pardon the pun), wallpaper him over or put lipstick on him. He is still a pig with lipstick/paint/wallpaper over him.
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I look at this not as an immigrant but as one who is neither black nor white. I would start with this small anecdote, from 1990 or so, my first years, before I became a citizen.
Washington DC, a murder trial. Young black defendant, young black victim. There was the overwhelming evidence of guilt, some kind conclusive evidence. Yet, the jury came out with a not guilty verdict. Jury forewoman, a middle aged black woman made herself available for an interview. Said she and others on the jury were simply tired of sending young black man to prison. If I remember correctly, she did not have anything to say about the victim, a dead young black man.
There you have in a nut shell all that matters: part of our nation no longer views crime and punishment for crime the way it has been the past two hundred plus years. And I am not surprised this issue, crime, is a focal point when it comes to Hillary Clinton and African-Americans. Disheartened yes, surprised no.
Part of the blame lies with 8 years of Mr.Obama. He has exacerbated the problem. Calling the police officer who was doing his job stupid, that day in Cambridge, was a bad start. Since then, in his eight years, Mr.Obama has not once demanded more of African-American fellow citizens, which is a mistake.
That Mrs.Clinton is struggling against some one like Mr.Trump should say more about the present day young African Americans and less about Hillary Clinton.
Washington DC, a murder trial. Young black defendant, young black victim. There was the overwhelming evidence of guilt, some kind conclusive evidence. Yet, the jury came out with a not guilty verdict. Jury forewoman, a middle aged black woman made herself available for an interview. Said she and others on the jury were simply tired of sending young black man to prison. If I remember correctly, she did not have anything to say about the victim, a dead young black man.
There you have in a nut shell all that matters: part of our nation no longer views crime and punishment for crime the way it has been the past two hundred plus years. And I am not surprised this issue, crime, is a focal point when it comes to Hillary Clinton and African-Americans. Disheartened yes, surprised no.
Part of the blame lies with 8 years of Mr.Obama. He has exacerbated the problem. Calling the police officer who was doing his job stupid, that day in Cambridge, was a bad start. Since then, in his eight years, Mr.Obama has not once demanded more of African-American fellow citizens, which is a mistake.
That Mrs.Clinton is struggling against some one like Mr.Trump should say more about the present day young African Americans and less about Hillary Clinton.
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It must be really depressing for Clinton's camp that Trump is even in the rearview mirror. What's going on?
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When Obama suddenly became teh front runner 8 years ago, we were living in my husband's home town (Chicago). The hope of urban blacks was so intense you could feel it; there was such expectation, such belief that this Democratic black man - local boy made good - would make things better. And he made promises that things would get better. All the people who assembled at Grant Park in Chicago in jubilation, must be bitterly disappointed, especially urban blacks. I can understand young blacks not wanting to vot for a white child of privilege, after all they voted for a local boy and look where that has left them.
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If the alternative is Trump, one can only vote for Clinton, regardless of age or ethnicity.
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Hillary has a different message for every group she addresses. This is why she won't release her Wall Street transcripts and uses white noise machines to block the Press from hearing her speeches at her chichi 1%er fundraisers. Blacks see right her fake Black dialect and hot sauce remarks, and know full well that at the same time she was also telling colored person time jokes and kicking BLM protesters out of her fundraisers. Trump has one consistent message that he delivers to ALL Americans, and that is true colorblind equality in action: Trump's message is let's all unite as Americans and rebuild our nation. Hillary was a very powerful U.S. senator for eight years and never authored and introduced a single bill to assist minorities, women, families, or children, --- all the demographics she claims to be such a staunch ally to --- why didn't she? And Blacks haven't forgetten the awful dog whistle racism she used when campaigning against Obama in 2008. She insinuated he might be assassinated during the primaries, for goodness sake! She is a pandering fraud who only wants to be president so she can use this nation as an ATM for her corrupt slushfund, the Clinton Foundation. Vote Trump!
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And it is Hillary Clinton who stands by President Obama and his legacy, even where other Democrats have kept their distance, like with the historic milestone of guaranteed healthcare. And it is Mrs. Clinton who explicitly called some of the political maneuverings around President Obama "racist," like Trump's birther nonsense. Mrs. Clinton has done justice to our first President of color, and his achievements will live on in her presidency.
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As well as his achievements in the area of climate change:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/obama-legacy-quiet-but...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/obama-legacy-quiet-but...
: Allow me to go over, "au peigne fin," ur remarks re DT, HRC and the President. Why would u deny Trump right to scrutinize 0's past? Does his place in the pantheon of American political history as the first black president make him immune to questions re his origins?Do not deceits told re ACA constitute sufficient grounds to doubt his veracity?If I told u that my Ph.d was from Yale University and my adviser was Henri Peyre, u would say,"Prove it" and u would be right to do so. It was HRC in 2008 campaign who wondered aloud where Obama was born.America has never been as polarized, divided by class bitterness as it has been under Obama.who has relentlessly fed the flames of racial imbalance.Yet he will not set foot in the Hood on Chicago's south side, where his presence would be appreciated by the residents who live under the daily tyranny of gangs.Neither will Biden for that matter. "Un petit conseil:" Develop critical thinking skills and a healthy skepticism of all politicians, Obama included. Above all, pols of both parties are trained to take your wallet by increasing taxes, and most r 1 percenters.While they add to their bank accounts by genuflecting to lobbyists, the rest of us subsist on meager welfare payments and face crucial decision daily whether to use available funds to buy needed medical supplies or put nutricious food on the table for our families. This is Obama's America.and Hillary's as well.
We know that we would not be talking about HRC if she wasn't famously married to Bill. Hillary would be an obscure lawyer in the bowels and offices of corporate America. She even lacks the integrity and charisma to effectively lead the State Department much less the nation. Recently while boarding the bus I got pushed by hordes of chatty Indian men clamoring to ride to their Silicon Valley office jobs. Who wants to get pushed to the back of the proverbial bus by every new wave of immigrants? Or worse yet compete with Latinos and Dreamers to pick up their litter. Count me out!
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So, you will vote for Trump, and embarass your country? Trump would not reform immigration, but Clinton says that she will. Trump has no plans, and when he comes before the special interest groups, he retreats.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/the-cowardice-of-don...
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/the-cowardice-of-don...
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Hmm. From how I look at it, we might not have been talking about Bill decades ago if it weren't for Hillary. Running for president wasn't an option for a woman like her back then.
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You got pushed by chatty Indian men, and don't want to compete with Latinos and Dreamers? I guess I know who you are voting for.
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When people say Hillary is as bad as Trump, but in a different way, remember that the President appoints commissioners and has at least 1500 appointed bureaucrats who can shift the focus of government. Trump may feel he owes anti-abortion, anti-birth control lawyers from conservative law schools like Liberty (one of 43's favorites). Do you want John Yoo back at Justice writing new torture justifications and guidelines - even worse than the ones he loved under 43? Consider the Supreme Court as well and then live out the next 40 years of your expected long lives with more Clarence Thomases.
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...Do you want John Yoo back at Justice...[and]... more Clarence Thomases...
Do I want Victoria Nuland at Sec. of State? John Negroponte behind the scenes? This is the package that comes with Hillary. I wish it were not so.
Do I want Victoria Nuland at Sec. of State? John Negroponte behind the scenes? This is the package that comes with Hillary. I wish it were not so.
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The disconnect between the Clinton campaign and young African Americans over the nature of her message illustrates one of the problems with Hillary's strategy. Black Americans want her to focus on how her presidency would help solve the pressing problems of their community, instead of bashing Trump. The candidate's aides point to several speeches in which Clinton has met that demand.
Any experienced teacher, however, would tell her advisers that repetition is the key to success. Mrs. Clinton's comments in 1996 in support of the crime bill damaged her credibility, increasing the need for her to demonstrate that she has repudiated the approach to law enforcement represented by that measure.
In 1992, Bill Clinton won partially by emphasizing the troubled state of the economy. In like manner, Hillary needs to convert her plans for correcting the major injustices created by that law into one of the signature themes of her campaign. She doesn't need to stress the shortcomings of Trump; he performs that task very well, all by himself.
Any experienced teacher, however, would tell her advisers that repetition is the key to success. Mrs. Clinton's comments in 1996 in support of the crime bill damaged her credibility, increasing the need for her to demonstrate that she has repudiated the approach to law enforcement represented by that measure.
In 1992, Bill Clinton won partially by emphasizing the troubled state of the economy. In like manner, Hillary needs to convert her plans for correcting the major injustices created by that law into one of the signature themes of her campaign. She doesn't need to stress the shortcomings of Trump; he performs that task very well, all by himself.
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This article is yet another example of the media's goring of all things Clinton. Paul Krugman is right.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/opinion/hillary-clinton-gets-gored.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/opinion/hillary-clinton-gets-gored.html
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Exactly. As if there is any equivalency between the two.
Trump's biographer (interview on Democracy Now) says that media organizations are afraid of Trump sueing them, which he regularly does and threatens to do if he doesn't like what you print. Perhaps that's one reason the media seems to go so light on Trump.
Trump's biographer (interview on Democracy Now) says that media organizations are afraid of Trump sueing them, which he regularly does and threatens to do if he doesn't like what you print. Perhaps that's one reason the media seems to go so light on Trump.
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She isn't connecting with young black people? Perhaps another fundraiser in the hamptons is in order. I must have missed her at the last one.
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Realism must trump self-righteous purism. There is nothing so wrong with HRC that a petulant failure to vote makes any sense at all. Voting for Senate & House candidates is probably more substantive in terms of the actual lives of Black or Hispanic folks.
Holding HRC responsible for Bill's legislative errors 25 years ago. The drum beat of distrust- mostly originating from the right wing attack dogs- is now woven into the Bernie tribe as well.
But what are the big issues ? There is an actual neo-fascist white supremacists anti-federal government surge from the Trump base. These rageful voters may turn out in droves.
Pretending there is no meaningful difference between HRC & Trump is appalling.
Holding HRC responsible for Bill's legislative errors 25 years ago. The drum beat of distrust- mostly originating from the right wing attack dogs- is now woven into the Bernie tribe as well.
But what are the big issues ? There is an actual neo-fascist white supremacists anti-federal government surge from the Trump base. These rageful voters may turn out in droves.
Pretending there is no meaningful difference between HRC & Trump is appalling.
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“We already know what the deal is with Trump,” said Nathan Baskerville, a 35-year-old North Carolina state representative. “Tell us what your plan is to make our life better.”
That just about says it. While I continue to read how dangerous Trump is, Clinton is not putting forward the "ideas" and "plans" she is supposedly noted for.
Instead i see that lede article in the NYT about her major fundraising hauls from the "super rich" and her wooing of republicans. She seems to be taking the left--that is anyone left of republican, for granted. Not smart. And there is so little "smart" coming from her. How, exactly does she expect to win and govern?
The Clinton machine has always promoted its connection to American Blacks but when you look at it, the connection seems to be with the conventional church-based community. That is not bad but that is not the only community of American Black people.
How is it that the Clinton machine is missing this and so much else? Trump may end up getting elected by default if Clinton doesn't wake up, come clean and deal with the fact that people think she is "lying" about "everything."
That just about says it. While I continue to read how dangerous Trump is, Clinton is not putting forward the "ideas" and "plans" she is supposedly noted for.
Instead i see that lede article in the NYT about her major fundraising hauls from the "super rich" and her wooing of republicans. She seems to be taking the left--that is anyone left of republican, for granted. Not smart. And there is so little "smart" coming from her. How, exactly does she expect to win and govern?
The Clinton machine has always promoted its connection to American Blacks but when you look at it, the connection seems to be with the conventional church-based community. That is not bad but that is not the only community of American Black people.
How is it that the Clinton machine is missing this and so much else? Trump may end up getting elected by default if Clinton doesn't wake up, come clean and deal with the fact that people think she is "lying" about "everything."
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If you go to the Clinton campaign website you will find those policies you desire. The fact that the media is all about scandals...and the truth never seems to matter to reporters looking for click bait...does not mean that Clinton has not put forward policies to improve the lives of working people of all colors. There is one candidate who has no policies, no programs, and no ethics. That candidate is Drumpf.
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So Hillary refuses to talk to anyone who doesn't have millions and if we dare ask questions, we are told to go to her website. Will Dennis Cheng and Huma Abedin snort in derision if a non wealthy person emails a question? This is a campaign we should support? I know Trump is bad so don't respond with a laundry list of his problems.
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When will we receive a response from the campaign to the chapter "All God's Children" in Brian Stevenson's "Just Mercy"? If Secy. Clinton's work for children is to extend beyond the horizon of her campaign this chapter provides the best source material yet.
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Did our cultural amnesia set in more quickly than at the typical rate this time?
It was only a few months ago that millions of young Americans were genuinely happy with the proposed policies of a political candidate. There was a reason people were excited about Bernie Sanders, and Mrs. Clinton's ideas for governance are not quite on the same track.
It's more than the black population whose skeptical of Mrs. Clinton, and literally dreading that irrevocable trip to the voting booth. Instead of worrying, why don't the Democrats try addressing our doubts and concerns?
It was only a few months ago that millions of young Americans were genuinely happy with the proposed policies of a political candidate. There was a reason people were excited about Bernie Sanders, and Mrs. Clinton's ideas for governance are not quite on the same track.
It's more than the black population whose skeptical of Mrs. Clinton, and literally dreading that irrevocable trip to the voting booth. Instead of worrying, why don't the Democrats try addressing our doubts and concerns?
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Thom Hartman advises that we become active in local Democratic party meetings and reform it from within. It's probably the only thing to do.
Many African Americans are upwardly mobile. educated, living in diverse communities. It is inevitable that the preacher centered inner city blocs are having some issues. Mixed marriages are quite common, and perhaps it's time both parties accept the fact that within a generation or two we will be brown and pleased with it. Black just isn't that easy to define any more, unless one happens to be so.
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Any Trump supporter who feels hope after reading this article is even more delusional than previous evidence has revealed.
Young African Americans will NOT vote for Donald Trump and they won't stay home. And they are going to be expecting, no, DEMANDING results from the Democratic party.
Young African Americans will NOT vote for Donald Trump and they won't stay home. And they are going to be expecting, no, DEMANDING results from the Democratic party.
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Dream on!
Trump received a standing ovation after his speech in Detroit and Reuters cut the ONLY audio feed as he was awarded a bible and prayer shawl from a grateful congregation. I saw the live feed until the cut. The black congregation was wildly applauding!
Trump received a standing ovation after his speech in Detroit and Reuters cut the ONLY audio feed as he was awarded a bible and prayer shawl from a grateful congregation. I saw the live feed until the cut. The black congregation was wildly applauding!
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After they give their votes to the Democrat regime, their demands will simply be ignored.
Again.
They need to make an example out of a Democrat politician by voting against them or no other Democrat candidate will take them seriously.
That's how life works.
Again.
They need to make an example out of a Democrat politician by voting against them or no other Democrat candidate will take them seriously.
That's how life works.
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How many were in that audience? And they weren't all 'wildly' applauding. Black folks are different. If you're a guest in their church, you're treated with courtesy and respect. That's foreign to non-Blacks. Black church-goers even welcomed the terrorist who murdered nine of them into their church.
Several of the parishioners I saw said they had no intention of voting for Donald Trump. They just wanted to see him. A bit like a freak show.
Do you honestly think that any but the most deluded and self-serving would be convinced that Donald Trump is the friend of the Black man after his performance on Saturday. It was obvious that he had never been in a Black church before even though as a life-long New Yorker, all the Donald would have to do is get on the A train if he wanted he wanted to pray with Black folks.
I'm sure that the overwhelming majority of Black people were doing what I did on Saturday. Laughing!
Several of the parishioners I saw said they had no intention of voting for Donald Trump. They just wanted to see him. A bit like a freak show.
Do you honestly think that any but the most deluded and self-serving would be convinced that Donald Trump is the friend of the Black man after his performance on Saturday. It was obvious that he had never been in a Black church before even though as a life-long New Yorker, all the Donald would have to do is get on the A train if he wanted he wanted to pray with Black folks.
I'm sure that the overwhelming majority of Black people were doing what I did on Saturday. Laughing!
I think young blacks, and all of us, should be a lot more worried about voter suppression.
I am not worrying about young blacks at all. I give them credit for being able to ferret out the truth. This is more "seems like" and "shadows" reporting. Sad!
I am not worrying about young blacks at all. I give them credit for being able to ferret out the truth. This is more "seems like" and "shadows" reporting. Sad!
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African-Americans -- of any age -- are well within their rights to be skeptical of Mrs. Clinton, and indeed of the entire Democratic Party because as Trump of all people has pointed out, they have voted Democratic forever, but little has changed. Nonetheless, they should not be bamboozled by the Republican nominee. He's an even bigger liar on matters far more important. He's also a fraudster and is unlikely to do anything about the problems facing the black community or even the white working class, despite his promise to "Make America Great Again". And, so, Clinton represents the far lesser of not two evils, but of one evil and one less than ideal candidate.
To resolve the problems facing the black community, African-Americans need to take a hard look at the choices made on a day-to-day and generational basis documented in The Moynihan Report that lead to poor outcomes. Although vilified in its day, the report pinpointed many of these choices -- many of which are still being made today -- that continue to lead to poverty, boys growing up without their fathers, and disproportionate incarceration rates.
So, the truth is neither major political party can solve black people's problems because a good deal of them need to addressed internally.
To resolve the problems facing the black community, African-Americans need to take a hard look at the choices made on a day-to-day and generational basis documented in The Moynihan Report that lead to poor outcomes. Although vilified in its day, the report pinpointed many of these choices -- many of which are still being made today -- that continue to lead to poverty, boys growing up without their fathers, and disproportionate incarceration rates.
So, the truth is neither major political party can solve black people's problems because a good deal of them need to addressed internally.
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You're delusional if you don't see the Clintons as evil.
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They'll be there.
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I won't.
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Hopefully the spirit of Congressman John Lewis, who nominated Hillary Clinton, would reach the souls of us all, importantly young African Americans . After all, Mr. Lewis has been an instrumental force, and was a young African American himself who fought so strenuously for the rights of us all. His fight has never ended. He would not have nominated Hillary Clinton if it had not been the right thing to do. His decision would never let down young African Americans.
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Trump said in that Detroit interview that he came to listen and learn, really, he's 74 years old. Where has he been? He signed that housing consent decree 40 years ago. Also, every time he is confronted with his past, ge can't remember, does he have dementia?
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Democrats are in a precarious situation here. Obama's personality cult and ethnicity were the source behind record turnout for young blacks in '08 and '12. Clinton has neither advantage.
Showing up every election cycle at the local black church, singing Negro spirituals, talking about hot sauce, kissing Al Sharpton's ring and smearing Republicans and their policies as "racist" has been a winning electoral strategy of Democrats for decades.
This younger generation of black activists—as unwilling as they are to engage in self-reflection about crime, culture, and lifestyle choices of blacks—at least ask substantive policy questions.
Rand Paul and Donald Trump have shown true leadership in traveling to depressed black neighborhoods and highlighting the chronic failures of Democratic leadership, locally and nationally.
Continued illegal immigration and inevitable amnesty by Progressives will mute the political power of blacks permanently in a decade or two. Clinton and her ilk won't even bother speaking at HBCUs and the NAACP soon enough.
Even if Trump's outreach to blacks doesn't gain him many votes, it highlights how cosmetic, scripted, and phony the DNC and Clinton are when it comes to issues affecting blacks.
New Wikileaks memos show the DNC warned its operatives not to discuss black-on-black crime, for fear of angering Black Lives Matter, since Charles Blow and other activists find reality too uncomfortable to deal with. They care about black votes, not black lives.
Showing up every election cycle at the local black church, singing Negro spirituals, talking about hot sauce, kissing Al Sharpton's ring and smearing Republicans and their policies as "racist" has been a winning electoral strategy of Democrats for decades.
This younger generation of black activists—as unwilling as they are to engage in self-reflection about crime, culture, and lifestyle choices of blacks—at least ask substantive policy questions.
Rand Paul and Donald Trump have shown true leadership in traveling to depressed black neighborhoods and highlighting the chronic failures of Democratic leadership, locally and nationally.
Continued illegal immigration and inevitable amnesty by Progressives will mute the political power of blacks permanently in a decade or two. Clinton and her ilk won't even bother speaking at HBCUs and the NAACP soon enough.
Even if Trump's outreach to blacks doesn't gain him many votes, it highlights how cosmetic, scripted, and phony the DNC and Clinton are when it comes to issues affecting blacks.
New Wikileaks memos show the DNC warned its operatives not to discuss black-on-black crime, for fear of angering Black Lives Matter, since Charles Blow and other activists find reality too uncomfortable to deal with. They care about black votes, not black lives.
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There is one constant I see in many comments re Trump and Clinton re the present dire situation many inner city blacks are facing and it makes me very pessimistic> That constant is the assumption and believe that the government will make you successful and happy . That underlying belief is highlighted by Mr Baskerville's , the state rep from North Carolina "Tell us what your plan is to make our life better". Really!!
Hasn't the Democratic party convinced you that afetr 50 years of there promises to make your life better has resulted in the dire circumstances you find yourself?
Two of the quintessential hope and change Democrats, Obama and Hillary are in awesome shape;in Obama's case a millionaire and Hillary is a multimillionaire and in what financial and social condition does their ardent supporters find themselves in 2016?
Hasn't the Democratic party convinced you that afetr 50 years of there promises to make your life better has resulted in the dire circumstances you find yourself?
Two of the quintessential hope and change Democrats, Obama and Hillary are in awesome shape;in Obama's case a millionaire and Hillary is a multimillionaire and in what financial and social condition does their ardent supporters find themselves in 2016?
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Identity politics breaks our electoral process down into fragments that cannot build a whole society that functions for the good of everyone because we are all Americans. Apparently that is a truth too hard to swallow in this election cycle. That is the same truth that will make whoever wins this election a failure as president. Enough with the "first woman" political correctness and all the rest of the correct labels for the elites. We need to go back to the drawing board to find some basic integrity and the good of the country.
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Many voters including young black voters buy into the right wing Hillary smear campaign based on lies and innuendo - the same campaign that was amplified by the Bernie bros during the primary.
Compare her words and action to those of Donald Trump. He says Obama is not born in the US, a total lie playing on racism and hatred. He says blacks are responsible for 80% of white homicides- another total lie designed to spread fear and hatred. Trump said he saw Muslims cheering in New Jersey on 9/11- another huge lie to promote fear and hatred. He said Mexico is sending us their murderers and rapists. The man is documented a pathological liar who is spreading his evil across our nation.
If elected Trump will be able to select up to four Supreme Court justices will kill any effort to fight for the restoration of civil rights and voters rights. Call it pragmatism - but we cannot let this racist and dangerous man take over our country.
Compare her words and action to those of Donald Trump. He says Obama is not born in the US, a total lie playing on racism and hatred. He says blacks are responsible for 80% of white homicides- another total lie designed to spread fear and hatred. Trump said he saw Muslims cheering in New Jersey on 9/11- another huge lie to promote fear and hatred. He said Mexico is sending us their murderers and rapists. The man is documented a pathological liar who is spreading his evil across our nation.
If elected Trump will be able to select up to four Supreme Court justices will kill any effort to fight for the restoration of civil rights and voters rights. Call it pragmatism - but we cannot let this racist and dangerous man take over our country.
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Finally!
I was waiting for White liberals to denigrate us as Black voters as more and more of us are refusing to fall for the same race baiting tactics our parents and grandparents fell for.
Liberals, your true "colors" are showing.
I was waiting for White liberals to denigrate us as Black voters as more and more of us are refusing to fall for the same race baiting tactics our parents and grandparents fell for.
Liberals, your true "colors" are showing.
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Will the campaign that steamrolled voters in the primaries fight for honest elections in the future?
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OK, Jonathan Martin, I'll bite. They weren't for Bernie Sanders, either, judging from the polls and the lack of coverage in the media, least of all some of Sanders unspoken history. So who ARE they for?
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I guess these young blacks have no sense of history and the struggle that their grandparents went thru....Trump has support of the KKK and other far right white groups....If that isn't enuf to send you to vote for Clinton, then you are self destructive. Since the 1960's the Dems have supported minority rights ( and blacks are a minority) while the GOP tries to squelch them. No, not perfect but at least working on it....The GOP is to blame for many things you imagine to be the Dems fault....I do not like a number of things Bill Clinton did, but Hillary is not Bill and it is a different time
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The key sentence in this piece, easily missed, starts:
"When a handful of liberal advocacy organizations..."
It's important becuase it reveals that this is another "liberal", or as I prefer "looney left," hit piece.
Most notably by Sanders, the far left has used the same hateful and shameful rhetoric as the Republicans to try to bring down Hillary, poisoning the well for younger voters who haven't been around the block a couple of times and who haven't seen through the barrage of smears that have been laid on the Clintons for decades.
I very much hope that Hillary jettisons the far left, much like the far right is ignored, and leads from the middle for the middle and focuses on moderate Republicans and Democrats. She has the greatest chance of leading us out of the partisan swap we're mired in.
"When a handful of liberal advocacy organizations..."
It's important becuase it reveals that this is another "liberal", or as I prefer "looney left," hit piece.
Most notably by Sanders, the far left has used the same hateful and shameful rhetoric as the Republicans to try to bring down Hillary, poisoning the well for younger voters who haven't been around the block a couple of times and who haven't seen through the barrage of smears that have been laid on the Clintons for decades.
I very much hope that Hillary jettisons the far left, much like the far right is ignored, and leads from the middle for the middle and focuses on moderate Republicans and Democrats. She has the greatest chance of leading us out of the partisan swap we're mired in.
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Sarah Silverman told Bernie Sanders' supporters at the Democratic convention that they were being “ridiculous” in threatening to withhold support for Mrs. Clinton.
Blacks -- along with whites -- who fail to vote or vote for someone other than Mrs. Clinton are being equally ridiculous and will soon come to regret it.
Blacks -- along with whites -- who fail to vote or vote for someone other than Mrs. Clinton are being equally ridiculous and will soon come to regret it.
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It could be the 30+ years of bad press, constant investigations and right wing rumors that other press then puts in their copy as fact. So far she's always come up innocent. But that doesn't stop the fear mongering- and not only from the right. It's no wonder the younger voter doesn't know any better.
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For a black person in this country this is really disparaging. Eight years ago we all thought we had reached the pinnacle of what a true American dream would be. An African-American President that many whites as well as blacks voted for into office. It seems though that instead of things propelling us forward, we have gone backwards. Black on black crime in inner cities is still high, education is lacking, many of the black lives matter activists seem to want segregation vs integration and instead of uniting us more and more, it seems the president will not speak the truth. I don't like either Trump or Clinton for that matter and to me both of them will lie through their teeth to get elected. But we also have to point out hypocrisy where it exists and it exists with many in the black lives matter movement. I feel that most of them are a new generation of the black panther movement rooted in bigotry for anyone else, but them. It is a movement that does not have anything to do with fixing the rampant issues in African-American neighborhoods. Their ideology is segregation like the KKK and Martin Luther King would be ashamed of this movement. Let's take this as an example, when 4℅ to 6℅ of blacks are killed each year by cops vs the 94℅ to 96℅ killed by other blacks, do you as reasonable human being say that the issue that needs fixing is the 4℅? I'm not saying we don't need to address police brutality and violence against blacks, but enough is enough.
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I agree with this author. People will point fingers at Republicans and call them racist simply because they feel Trump is the better alternative. I have been waiting for either of these candidates to stand up and tell me how they will fix the problem in our inner cities and in our schools. It's almost like a third rail that no one wants to touch. The candidate who would come up with the most plausible strategy would be the one I would vote for. I'm tired of being pandered to because I am a woman. I'm tired of discussions about the glass ceiling. None of that is meaningful while our people continue to kill each other with stolen guns in the cities; while the teacher's unions continue to sit and observe the train wreck of our city schools and the perpetuity of the union. By the way, I am canceling my digital subscription to your news paper. I can't tolerate shelling out $37.53 every month for the nonsense you are calling news. I'm sure your job isn't easy, but I've always felt the NYT was held to a higher standard. I no longer believe this to be true. Your coverage of this critical election has left me with so many questions that are unanswered. And you simply print the same garbage everyone else prints.
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What does not voting or voting for a candidate that cannot win solve?
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You can argue forever whether Donald Trump is a racist, but there is no question that much if not most of his political base consists of white nativists, many of whom are openly racist...not only against African Americans, but other ethnic/religious groups.
For example, most Jews are white, but the anti-Semitism among Trump's white supporters is quite alarming in scope and depth.
For any African American (I am not one) this should be sufficient reason for not voting for Trump. Whether they would vote for Clinton is another matter.
For example, most Jews are white, but the anti-Semitism among Trump's white supporters is quite alarming in scope and depth.
For any African American (I am not one) this should be sufficient reason for not voting for Trump. Whether they would vote for Clinton is another matter.
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ernieh1 Queens - As Pynchon said, if they can get you asking them the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about giving the wrong answers.
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You want racist? Try this on for size.
"A few years back, this guy [Barack Obama] would be serving us coffee."
-- Bill Clinton (democrat) in a conversation with Senator Ted Kennedy (democrat)
I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Lyndon Baines Johnson...democrat
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a
problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before,
the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do
something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just
enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”-–Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957...democrat
"They are not just gangs of kids anymore, they are often the kinds of kids that are called "super predators", no conscience, no empathy"....Hillary talking about black kids.
I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944
Robery C. Byrd, Grand Kleegle in the KKK, Democrat, the party of the KKK and one of lying Hillary's mentors.
"A few years back, this guy [Barack Obama] would be serving us coffee."
-- Bill Clinton (democrat) in a conversation with Senator Ted Kennedy (democrat)
I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Lyndon Baines Johnson...democrat
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a
problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before,
the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do
something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just
enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”-–Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957...democrat
"They are not just gangs of kids anymore, they are often the kinds of kids that are called "super predators", no conscience, no empathy"....Hillary talking about black kids.
I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944
Robery C. Byrd, Grand Kleegle in the KKK, Democrat, the party of the KKK and one of lying Hillary's mentors.
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LBJ talked the talk of his time and place, but when it counted, he did the right thing, knowing the risks for himself and for the Democratic Party.
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Hillary is a tremendous casting error and it's not possible to change that.If Trump moves his campaign to a more civilized landscape Hillary will be defeated.Some polls already predict that outcome and what will happen in November.
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There's not one poll which says what you claim. Maybe it's a bad "casting error?"
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How can any black person vote for someone who spent years questioning the americanness and patriotism of the first black president?
it is inconceivable.
As for me, this african -naturalized-american, tax-paying citizen
come November 8, I AM VOTING FOR THE PARTY OF OBAMA
it is inconceivable.
As for me, this african -naturalized-american, tax-paying citizen
come November 8, I AM VOTING FOR THE PARTY OF OBAMA
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I'm a Black lawyer in Washington DC, in my 30s and I said this was going to happen 15 months ago. Obama supporters and liberal elite clearly think we are stupid because we are Black, but you're going to be surprised on Election Day.
We were supposed to just sit back and accept the same Hillary Clinton THIS newspaper called racist in 2008? No really, how dumb do you think we are? Liberal establishment you're busted. 74 years of lies and broken promises and you think you can force the Black Community to heel just by playing the race card on everyone you don't like?
Get real.
We were supposed to just sit back and accept the same Hillary Clinton THIS newspaper called racist in 2008? No really, how dumb do you think we are? Liberal establishment you're busted. 74 years of lies and broken promises and you think you can force the Black Community to heel just by playing the race card on everyone you don't like?
Get real.
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Take the word of a climate change denier like Mr. DC. Take the word of Donald Trump. What do you have to lose? Everything!!!
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Seriously? You would vote for Trump to avoid Clinton? To quote a black attorney "Get real".
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I think it's far beyond "thinking you (or anyone else) is 'stupid.'" I think it is a sense of distant and lack of empathy so great, that no one in halls of power really has the ability to care for our daily struggles. The only thing they truly seem to care about is direct threats to their own livelihoods. They certainly do not care about the fact that I cannot survive in this economy and I would be threatened by homelessness and destitution without the help of someone near to me. Good luck getting this system to do anything except for funnel money to the top 1% and engage in empiric wars. It functions as its mythology has designed it to function.
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I speak as one of the "young blacks" that is UNinspired by Hillary. It makes me sick to my stomach that the only path to success for my people is through the Democratic party. Well let's take a look at your record: How has the Democratic policies worked out in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and many other inner cities? My people compared to Hispanics, Asians, and Whites are doing the poorest- and yet all because of the Dem party.
My heart cries out for my people when they die in South Side Chicago- a city that resembles Syria. Where were you and your outrage when Rahm was getting re-elected as mayor and hid the death of Laquan Jackson so it would injure his run?
So now this election you want me to vote for Hillary? Hillary who has received up to $25 million from Saudi Arabia. A country that treats women as cattle and slaves. A country where if you are LGBT, you get killed because of your sexual orientation. Seriously?
I look at the relationship b/w the Dem party and Black community like an abusive marriage. We say they need another chance.....It was a mistake, they won't do it again....they'll treat us better.... but no it gets worse. I take the example of Huma Abedin, after multiple times, it is time to get a divorce and move on. It may be painful but it is necessary.
In the words of Einstein: Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
Despise me if you wish! This election I have escaped the Democratic plantation.
My heart cries out for my people when they die in South Side Chicago- a city that resembles Syria. Where were you and your outrage when Rahm was getting re-elected as mayor and hid the death of Laquan Jackson so it would injure his run?
So now this election you want me to vote for Hillary? Hillary who has received up to $25 million from Saudi Arabia. A country that treats women as cattle and slaves. A country where if you are LGBT, you get killed because of your sexual orientation. Seriously?
I look at the relationship b/w the Dem party and Black community like an abusive marriage. We say they need another chance.....It was a mistake, they won't do it again....they'll treat us better.... but no it gets worse. I take the example of Huma Abedin, after multiple times, it is time to get a divorce and move on. It may be painful but it is necessary.
In the words of Einstein: Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
Despise me if you wish! This election I have escaped the Democratic plantation.
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>>My people compared to Hispanics, Asians, and Whites are doing the poorest- and yet all because of the Dem party.<<
I absolutely cannot imagine how you have blamed all this on the Democrats. Do you think the Republicans had nothing to do with this -- seriously? What about history? What about blacks who don't vote? what about lack of education? What about lack of gun laws?
Certainly the Democrats could have done more, but you are sadly misinformed about the facts.
I absolutely cannot imagine how you have blamed all this on the Democrats. Do you think the Republicans had nothing to do with this -- seriously? What about history? What about blacks who don't vote? what about lack of education? What about lack of gun laws?
Certainly the Democrats could have done more, but you are sadly misinformed about the facts.
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pajaritomt---- well apparently you haven't checked history. Who has been ruling the cities I mentioned? For 50+ years, it has been under DEMOCRATIC rule. And tell me how wonderful are those conditions? Would you dare live in south side Chicago and send your kids to those schools? I don't think so, but yet you can comment here from your device living in a nice house with none of these problems and have the nerve to tell me I'm misinformed. And have the nerve to tell me that the DEM part cares! Ha- Yeah right!
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I don't believe a word you write. You've made the whole thing up.
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"Young Blacks Voice Skepticism on Hillary Clinton." Yeah, along with the rest of the 65% of potential voters who think she has crossed ethical lines, is in the pocket of big banks and other large companies (including those in the private prison industry), and can't be trusted. It's not a black voter problem that Clinton has - the thesis for which comes across as somewhat patronizing, if not a bit racist - Clinton's got a voter problem, in that the significant majority of all potential voters would rather not vote for her.
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If Trump is a racist for pointedly pointing out that the Dems have done NOTHING, plenty of NOTHING for blacks in this country (why are more blacks on food stamps and getting killed in Chi-raQ everyday after 8 years of Obama presidency?), he is welcome to be a racist.
That Trump is a racist is the narrative the liberal media and its enablers like the Times wants to perpetuate, leading to misinformed, and ill-informed members in the 'black votes matter' caucus.
That Trump is a racist is the narrative the liberal media and its enablers like the Times wants to perpetuate, leading to misinformed, and ill-informed members in the 'black votes matter' caucus.
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You seem to have forgotten that it was the Democrats ( let by Hillary Clinton) who passsed CHIPS which provided health care for children and the ACA which provides health care for everyone else, more or less. Maybe the Democrats haven't done enough but they have definitely done some important things.
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Or, Sonny, his actual history speaks volumes. He was President of the family business when it was sued by the Justice Department for systematically refusing to rent to, as he put it more recently, "the blacks." After a yuge defamation countersuit was tossed out, the Trumps signed a consent decree to stop the practice, and were subsequently sued AGAIN for having ignored the terms of that decree.
Later, in his casinos, black waitresses and dealers were ordered off the floor when he was in the house. Speaking of casinos, he publicly stated that he "hated" having black guys counting his money. His marked preference was for "short guys wearing yarmulkes."
If none of that suffices, then you can always replay his seven year history as birther in chief.
As Bill Parcells says, "You are what your record says you are." In this case, Sonny, that's a racist.
Later, in his casinos, black waitresses and dealers were ordered off the floor when he was in the house. Speaking of casinos, he publicly stated that he "hated" having black guys counting his money. His marked preference was for "short guys wearing yarmulkes."
If none of that suffices, then you can always replay his seven year history as birther in chief.
As Bill Parcells says, "You are what your record says you are." In this case, Sonny, that's a racist.
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" pointing out that the Dems have done NOTHING, plenty of NOTHING for blacks in this country ..."
Except history contradicts you, but don't let that in the way of your hysteria and hate.
Except history contradicts you, but don't let that in the way of your hysteria and hate.
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One need only look at what has happened in North Carolina under the Democrats and the Republicans regarding voter ID laws. Granted they are politically motivated, but I don't see anywhere where Democrats have been trying to make it more difficult for an American citizen to vote, especially when there is little to no evidence of voter fraud.
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For all too long, the democrat party has taken the African American vote for granted and the results speak for themselves. Look around. Look at the America democrats have presided over for the past 7 1/2 years. Are African Americans better off or worse off? The answer is simple. Worse off and by alot. The reason? Democrat policies have failed and they have failed miserably. Look at unemployment, real wages, incarceration, drug use, education, and the number of single parent households, and any other indicator that reliably predicts success in this culture. Nothing of these crucial indicators has improved in the past 7 1/2 years despite the rhetoric and lofty unfulfilled promises of the democrat elite. The report card is an F. Democrat politicians are playin the African American community and they do it because they know they can. Empty promises and failed old tired policies are not the answer. Hillary is polling at over 90% with African Americans so why should she care about producing real results? She does not have to work for that vote. It is there. As long as it stays there, nothing will ever change. The same failed policies that have kept this community down and have produced race riots in Ferguson and Baltimore will continue under her. The media will never hold her accountable. It will be Obama's third failed term. African Americans truly have nothing to lose by voting for him. He does not pander. He is the mayor of realville. You get the government you deserve.
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Not an entirely ridiculous statement, however the gaping hole in this argument is that for the past 7 1/2 years, this country was not run by one man. The Republican party has not helped one bit with obstructionism and the government shut down all during President Obama's tenure... And for what? The reality is that many Republican politicians do not care about anyone other than themselves and those who would help see them back into their positions to make more money and do a whole lot more of nothing.
Both parties have failed this country and Black Americans, but remember who was in the White House before Obama and how much of a shambles that presidency was. I'm tired of the convenient short term memory so many want to employ. We're still paying for the ineptitude in government every day, and have been paying for it since 2000. And today it's a government that is still mostly Republican-- and what do we have to show for it? There is not just a President-- there is a Congress as well. What do we have to show for it.......?
Both parties have failed this country and Black Americans, but remember who was in the White House before Obama and how much of a shambles that presidency was. I'm tired of the convenient short term memory so many want to employ. We're still paying for the ineptitude in government every day, and have been paying for it since 2000. And today it's a government that is still mostly Republican-- and what do we have to show for it? There is not just a President-- there is a Congress as well. What do we have to show for it.......?
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Let the Blacksplainin' begin. Every commenter here who thinks the answer is yelling at the rest of us is the answer—you are the problem. I felt the jeremiads as a sexagenarian white woman earning "a special place in hell" for loving Bernie. The Democrats will scold, rant against us, they will pull funding out of Ohio, in their inexplicable ineptitude, they may well lose after fixing their primary.
And they will blame Bernie supporters. When you undermined Bernie, you undermined the youth vote and the future.
Young African Americas aren't alone in their distrust and aversion. Bernie had the young. Bernie, the oldest candidate, represented real change. Can any of you out there really believe that in thirty years we can only draw on two families in a democracy? If this election cycle means anything at all, it means everyone is united in one desire—the desire for a changing of the guard.
And they will blame Bernie supporters. When you undermined Bernie, you undermined the youth vote and the future.
Young African Americas aren't alone in their distrust and aversion. Bernie had the young. Bernie, the oldest candidate, represented real change. Can any of you out there really believe that in thirty years we can only draw on two families in a democracy? If this election cycle means anything at all, it means everyone is united in one desire—the desire for a changing of the guard.
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You can't underestimate what the Clinton's did when they "ended welfare as we know it" in 1996. I'm white. I was a single parent with two children before that time. I had no child support from my kids' fathers. I was on Aid to Families With Dependent Children (AFDC). That meant that as long as I kept up good grades in college, beginning in community college, I could continue to go to school and get AFDC for my two kids. At the community college I went to in San Francisco, there was a full-time children's center for kids from two-and-a-half years old until they entered kindergarten. It was free, on campus and went from 7:30 AM to 5:30 PM. I could study at school, between classes and get most of my homework done before going home. I was able to go on and get a masters degree. Oh! And we had full healthcare that didn't cost a dime! Now there's no childcare or healthcare; and you can only go to a two-year training program (that insures you a minimum-wage job.) Things are much worse for all poor people now thanks to the Clintons. What we need to do is organize our own political party based upon poor and working people and what we need and fight for that!
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I agree with you completely, but it is not likely to happen when the poor fail to vote in significant numbers. And of course the Republicans are hard at work trying to make it difficult to vote -- which helps keep the poor from voting. I don't know how to get these people out to vote and to convince them to vote to move the Democrats ( and Republicans back to the left.)
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It did cost significantly more than dime; the rest of us paid it for you.
In 1996, I was married with 1 child I had after putting myself through college and my spouse through graduate school. I grew up in a very poor family and lived with a single mother who tried unsuccessfully to get food on the table for 4 children every night. So I had to pay my own way.
I got no free childcare or healthcare or education or food for the 1 child I responsibly waited to have.
You were not poor. You were irresponsible and taxpayers drew the line.
In 1996, I was married with 1 child I had after putting myself through college and my spouse through graduate school. I grew up in a very poor family and lived with a single mother who tried unsuccessfully to get food on the table for 4 children every night. So I had to pay my own way.
I got no free childcare or healthcare or education or food for the 1 child I responsibly waited to have.
You were not poor. You were irresponsible and taxpayers drew the line.
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Thanks for sharing that. But in the choice between these two economic conservatives, I don't believe Trump would correct course there. He would probably make things far worse.
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Good story. And in the next four years the Democrats will lose white Millennials as well, leading to the GOP taking the White House in 2020. The Bernie Sanders' agenda is the Millennial Agenda, while Mrs. Clinton is last century. Young blacks, like so many times in the past, are leading society once again.
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Read the Republicant platform. There is nothing in it even remotely resembling the Sanders agenda. In fact, quite the opposite is true.
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This atticle aptly demonstrates two major points.
First, that low information voters with limited limited critical thinking skills can be found in any demographic.
For instance, Hillary Clinton was the First Lady and had nothing to do with the 1994 Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act. But, don't tell that to our young low information voters who get their "information" from distorted info bytes from GOP operatives and groups like Black Lives Matter.
And let not even get into the continuing propaganda war about Hillary Clinton's "truthfulness" and the inability of too many young people who have grew up online and should have the tools to find the real facts online, simply decide it is far easier to be lazy and uninformed.
The second major takeaway from this article is choosing victimhood over hard self-reflection.
Like their white rural counterparts, too many young people in the African American community look for blame elsewhere. Instead of addressing the epidemic of black-black crime, single parent households and drug use, too many young African Americans want to point fingers at convient targets, like Hillary Clinton.
Nevertheless, thank goodness there are adults in the room that choose to be better informed, actually use the heads for more than a hat rack and actually come out to vote because they know what the real stakes are in this election.
Which is something we have yet to see from young people of any color.
First, that low information voters with limited limited critical thinking skills can be found in any demographic.
For instance, Hillary Clinton was the First Lady and had nothing to do with the 1994 Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act. But, don't tell that to our young low information voters who get their "information" from distorted info bytes from GOP operatives and groups like Black Lives Matter.
And let not even get into the continuing propaganda war about Hillary Clinton's "truthfulness" and the inability of too many young people who have grew up online and should have the tools to find the real facts online, simply decide it is far easier to be lazy and uninformed.
The second major takeaway from this article is choosing victimhood over hard self-reflection.
Like their white rural counterparts, too many young people in the African American community look for blame elsewhere. Instead of addressing the epidemic of black-black crime, single parent households and drug use, too many young African Americans want to point fingers at convient targets, like Hillary Clinton.
Nevertheless, thank goodness there are adults in the room that choose to be better informed, actually use the heads for more than a hat rack and actually come out to vote because they know what the real stakes are in this election.
Which is something we have yet to see from young people of any color.
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Wow ! So that's who you think we are ? That are neighborhoods are awash in crime, drugs and single parent households ? You should get out more. There are problems everywhere but I've lived my whole life in the black community and that isn't my experience.
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I had no idea the young Black population was so confused and so gullible. Isn't it obvious that Hillary is afraid to dangle a bunch of free stuff for Blacks because she is already overwhelmingly reviled by White people who pay the vast majority of taxes.
Don't be so impatient, Hillary will wait a few weeks before promising all kinds of goodies to buy your votes. We already know voters are whores, we just need to decide on the price.
Don't be so impatient, Hillary will wait a few weeks before promising all kinds of goodies to buy your votes. We already know voters are whores, we just need to decide on the price.
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Participants in a few focus groups parrot the "don't trust her" mantra and "democrats" are worried? No, a few democrats and independents may be worried but not all are.
Every American woman knows what it is like to be discounted because of gender. No exceptions. Many women have been victims of the hate, fear, and anger that promote lies to make them look bad, particularly in the business and religious worlds. Many girls are bullied daily by boys who think they have a right to do it.
Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton is being bullied by the most gifted fear-anger-hate-war-lies mongers the world has ever known since the days that male religious leaders falsely blamed Adam's fall in the garden of Eden on Eve. NOW is the time for 90% of us - those who are not part of this monstrous privileged elite - to stand up and shout NO MORE! We will not stand for it.
Vote for Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton and other socially conscious democrats and independents on November 8 and every election before and after. Take two people who do not usually vote to the polls or help them fill out their absentee ballots and mail them. It is time we tell the privileged financial elite WE do not want their America.
Every American woman knows what it is like to be discounted because of gender. No exceptions. Many women have been victims of the hate, fear, and anger that promote lies to make them look bad, particularly in the business and religious worlds. Many girls are bullied daily by boys who think they have a right to do it.
Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton is being bullied by the most gifted fear-anger-hate-war-lies mongers the world has ever known since the days that male religious leaders falsely blamed Adam's fall in the garden of Eden on Eve. NOW is the time for 90% of us - those who are not part of this monstrous privileged elite - to stand up and shout NO MORE! We will not stand for it.
Vote for Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton and other socially conscious democrats and independents on November 8 and every election before and after. Take two people who do not usually vote to the polls or help them fill out their absentee ballots and mail them. It is time we tell the privileged financial elite WE do not want their America.
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Except Hillary is the manifestation of the privileged financial elite.
Her daughter is married to a Goldman Sachs guy and lives in a block-long penthouse.
No press conferences for Hillary; instead, she hangs out at fundraisers attended by the wealthiest people in this country.
I mean, really. At least be honest with yourself.
Her daughter is married to a Goldman Sachs guy and lives in a block-long penthouse.
No press conferences for Hillary; instead, she hangs out at fundraisers attended by the wealthiest people in this country.
I mean, really. At least be honest with yourself.
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You mean the privileged financial elite Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton spent the weekend courting?
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US is run by feminists and you still complain about women's rights?
Two points here. First, we are reminded of how effective the Republican campaign to convince the public that Clinton is a liar has been. Repeat a lie often enough, and forcefully enough, and it is very difficult to overcome. The fact that Politifact and other fact-checking services have demonstrated that Clinton's statements have a far higher level of accuracy than Trumps--and, in fact, her statements were more frequently rated as "true" than any other candidate this cycle--cannot compete with the falsehood that Clinton does not tell the truth.
Secondly, thus far, the Clinton campaign has seemed much more comfortable reaching out to Republicans who don't like Trump than it has reaching out to progressives and young people. As we pass the Labor Day milestone and the campaign gets serious, Clinton needs to make a pivot of her own, to demonstrate her progressive bona fides. She can make the case on so many issues, from climate change to immigration to workers rights to health care. She needs to demonstrate that she is not merely a tool for the 1% but that she understands the issues and concerns of real people.
The Democratic Party platform is its most progressive in history, and directly addresses many of the concerns of black Millennials. Those who want purity will not be satisfied, but they never are. A Clinton presidency will enable the country to make progress on those issues, which is what really matters.
Secondly, thus far, the Clinton campaign has seemed much more comfortable reaching out to Republicans who don't like Trump than it has reaching out to progressives and young people. As we pass the Labor Day milestone and the campaign gets serious, Clinton needs to make a pivot of her own, to demonstrate her progressive bona fides. She can make the case on so many issues, from climate change to immigration to workers rights to health care. She needs to demonstrate that she is not merely a tool for the 1% but that she understands the issues and concerns of real people.
The Democratic Party platform is its most progressive in history, and directly addresses many of the concerns of black Millennials. Those who want purity will not be satisfied, but they never are. A Clinton presidency will enable the country to make progress on those issues, which is what really matters.
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It's amazing how many ignorant readers this paper has. There is nothing wrong with being for Hillary but not knowing how much money she has received from giving speeches to Wall Street and banks that have paid Billions in fines for cheating the American public and not knowing that she cheated to get Sanders removed and how she and her husband received millions from foreign people and companies for granting them favors that they weren't entitled to and which were illegal etc. etc.
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"Far higher level of accuracy" and "frequently rated as true"?
So you're saying she's a liar. Because otherwise her statements would always be rated as true.
So you're saying she's a liar. Because otherwise her statements would always be rated as true.
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How patronizing and to be frank - racist - to think that a couple of hip hop stars and athletes can persuade young blacks that HRC is something other than a completely untrustworthy, greedy establishment candidate who say anything to advance herself.
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I think this is unfortunate and indicative of how little young black voters know about Clinton, not her actual record. Hillary Clinton is actually an ally for African Americans. Forget about compaigning, let's look at who this woman was mentoered by and where she chose to spend her time before the lime light. Do African Americans know who Marian Wright Edelman is? The first African American woman to become a lawyer in Mississippi? She is also the woman who started the Children's Defense Fund, an organization Clinton directed at one time. Edelman is one of Clinton's mentors. Do the young African American voters know Clinton was an intern for a Civil Rights law firm in Oakland? Do they know about the work she did supporting low income families while in college and then later as the wife of the governor of Arkansas?
She's the real deal, people. Don't be distracted by the republican enemy attack. She has great character and cares, which is why she is so hated by the establishment.
She's the real deal, people. Don't be distracted by the republican enemy attack. She has great character and cares, which is why she is so hated by the establishment.
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"which is why she is so hated by the establishment."
She's so hated by the establishment that she's received endorsements from nearly all Democratic political leaders and more than a few Republican political leaders, extensive donations from numerous major corporations worldwide, and strong support from the non-profit sector as well. If the establishment hates her, they have an odd way of showing it.
She's so hated by the establishment that she's received endorsements from nearly all Democratic political leaders and more than a few Republican political leaders, extensive donations from numerous major corporations worldwide, and strong support from the non-profit sector as well. If the establishment hates her, they have an odd way of showing it.
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On YouTube- there is a meeting with our beloved and compassionate Hillary talking with a BLM leader. She listened [uncomfortably] for a few minutes then basically told him to, "find a lobbyist." This is how Hillary operates- unless you are wealthy and connected or represented by wealthy and connected, you're only option is to remain silent, vote Democrat and eat the government cake- or as it was last week in Nevada, "Try one of these chocolates."
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I would suggest that people actually watch the video and decide for themselves what transpired instead of believing some else's in my opinion completely biased and unrealistic view.
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You know, this whole discussion really points out how effective it has been for Trump to make these transparently insincere gestures, like the trip to Mexico or this latest visit to the Great Faith Ministries. Of course he has not demonstrated any real understanding or sympathy, or even established the most basic human connection or contact. But what he does accomplish is to establish this false equivalency: he creates the impression that Hillary Clinton's and the Democratic Party's connection with or with African Americans is just like his latest gambit — a cynical, manipulative, and insincere ploy. I mean, this is a man who has put on three of the most fabulous weddings you would ever want to go to. He's good at, you know, hooking up and saying words. Just don't expect it to last.
Trump and his crew are doing their best to drag everyone down to their level. But Hillary's rep is not an act. It's real. Ironically, her greatest weakness is that she doesn't know how to fake it. But you can ask the mothers who have actually met her, and worked with her, whether she means it. When she's doing the work, she's actually doing the work. That's the difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
Trump and his crew are doing their best to drag everyone down to their level. But Hillary's rep is not an act. It's real. Ironically, her greatest weakness is that she doesn't know how to fake it. But you can ask the mothers who have actually met her, and worked with her, whether she means it. When she's doing the work, she's actually doing the work. That's the difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
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