Like many issues in our country, sound BITES drown out a rational discussion.
Sanctuary cities permit illegal aliens to come out of the shadows. This does a couple of things. They permit exploited illegal aliens to com forth and report such illegal contact from sex trafficking to abuse by employers.
Sanctuary cities permit illegal aliens to provide witness to crimes. The murder of Kathryn Steinle was a terrible tragedy. What if the killer was a citizen and the only witness was an illegal alien? In a non-sanctuary city the killer could go free. With the knowledge that he/she would not be deported the witness could come forward.
The criminals are being deported contrary to the lies promulgated. A wall is being built. Border is enforcement has increased and Illegal immigration is down. Can more be done, probably, but not with sound bites.
Sanctuary cities permit illegal aliens to come out of the shadows. This does a couple of things. They permit exploited illegal aliens to com forth and report such illegal contact from sex trafficking to abuse by employers.
Sanctuary cities permit illegal aliens to provide witness to crimes. The murder of Kathryn Steinle was a terrible tragedy. What if the killer was a citizen and the only witness was an illegal alien? In a non-sanctuary city the killer could go free. With the knowledge that he/she would not be deported the witness could come forward.
The criminals are being deported contrary to the lies promulgated. A wall is being built. Border is enforcement has increased and Illegal immigration is down. Can more be done, probably, but not with sound bites.
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Nice try, but if they weren't here illegally they wouldn't be being exploited in the first place. And yes, the exploiters should be punished as well.
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As usual comments from the peanut gallery abound from people who have zero iota how immigration law or even how the system works in general.
1. It is not illegal for state and local police to not cooperate with the whims of ICE, there is a little thing called jurisdiction which many of you should probably look up in a dictionary.
2. It has been repeatedly upheld in the Supreme Court over the centuries that enforcing immigration law is the EXCLUSIVE domain of the federal government. This goes both ways, states can't create their own immigration statutes but States and municipalities cannot be used as tools of the federal government to enforce immigration law. Just as there is no constitutional statute that can force state and local officers to work with the DEA or the FBI.
Americans number one pass times seem to be hypocrisy, since the founding of the country it seems American citizens love to bully and insult the underclass while benefiting tremendously from cheap labor in jobs that many entitled Americans refuse to do.
Anyone can feel free to refute my comment when I see a picture of white Americans in the 21st century lining up to pick crops by the bushel in the hot sun.
1. It is not illegal for state and local police to not cooperate with the whims of ICE, there is a little thing called jurisdiction which many of you should probably look up in a dictionary.
2. It has been repeatedly upheld in the Supreme Court over the centuries that enforcing immigration law is the EXCLUSIVE domain of the federal government. This goes both ways, states can't create their own immigration statutes but States and municipalities cannot be used as tools of the federal government to enforce immigration law. Just as there is no constitutional statute that can force state and local officers to work with the DEA or the FBI.
Americans number one pass times seem to be hypocrisy, since the founding of the country it seems American citizens love to bully and insult the underclass while benefiting tremendously from cheap labor in jobs that many entitled Americans refuse to do.
Anyone can feel free to refute my comment when I see a picture of white Americans in the 21st century lining up to pick crops by the bushel in the hot sun.
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Why stop at immigrants? Why not deport EVERYONE accused of a crime, citizen or not? Otherwise, what's the reason for the difference in treatment between an immigrant murderer and a native-born home-grown murderer?
While I don't support Trump, he is 100% right about sanctuary cities. There should be no sanctuary of you broke laws to get here. There is nothing for legal society to gain by allowing this. Illegal immigrants use up resources and we simply cannot afford it no matter how good most of their intentions may be. They need to get in line like everyone else and legalize properly. Protecting them in sanctuary cities is a form of treason. Vote GARY JOHNSON.
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If local authorities can disregard Federal law when they disagree with it, then what was the justification for Mr. Obama's administration threatening to cut off Federal funds for states ignoring his LGBT policies concerning bathrooms and showers?
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mikecody - "If local authorities can disregard Federal law when they disagree with it, then what was the justification for Mr. Obama's administration threatening to cut off..."
Quite simple, the President agrees with one and disagrees with the other, law has nothing to do with it!
Quite simple, the President agrees with one and disagrees with the other, law has nothing to do with it!
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Sanctuary cities are simply deciding what Federal laws they want to enforce, and so are effectively acting like the rebel states of the Confederacy. The US government connives with them because they are all run by Democrats. All US funding ought to be cut off to those cities, forcing them to raise local taxes really high at a local level, and then perhaps the citizens will throw out the liberal scofflaws.
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what is wrong with obeying and enforcing American laws already on the books?
Obama has ignored them for 8 years.........................why the pandering to the illegals? why do they get a pass on obeying the law? why do these cities think they can laff at federal laws?
Obama has ignored them for 8 years.........................why the pandering to the illegals? why do they get a pass on obeying the law? why do these cities think they can laff at federal laws?
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Interesting that this article calls deaths of Americans by illegals "few", but there are far more of them than unjustly killed African Americans by police. And no I am not including criminals that resisted arrest and tried to steal officer's guns as 'unjust'
So sad that we don't have ALL political parties putting Americans first in their policies. Being compassionate is admirable...putting foreigners that break our laws as a higher priority than citizens is beyond unfair and absurd.
So sad that we don't have ALL political parties putting Americans first in their policies. Being compassionate is admirable...putting foreigners that break our laws as a higher priority than citizens is beyond unfair and absurd.
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This is NONSENSE. If one is here unlawfully, then they must go home. Remove all federal funding from these 'sanctuary cities'. They are as much a disgrace to America as that football player is.
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So the football player is a disgrace because he is exercising his freedom to make a point? Or because you don't like the point he is making?
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Which football player? There are so many that seem to be a disgrace nowadays.
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Touching ancedote at the end.He had no right to be driving.What if he had hit and injured someone.Who pays that bill.I don't understand the thinking involved here.These people broke the law and stayed in the country illegally.Meanwhile the people who try to legally immigrate have to wait years.This is totally unfair.Why reward their behavior and encourage more to come as they did.For the life of me I just don't understand.
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It is, for the most part, because the have suffered enough. I would not increase their suffering for a poorly positioned air-freshener.
Kelly - "For the life of me I just don't understand."
Votes, Kelly, one party is stockpiling future votes at the expense of American citizens, it really is quite simple.
Votes, Kelly, one party is stockpiling future votes at the expense of American citizens, it really is quite simple.
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I'm enjoying the comments. Most make a good point. American exceptionalism must mean there are as many exceptions as there are rules.
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Finally something I agree with Trump on. Sanctuary cities are harboring people who broke the the law. Period. Get rid of them.
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So since the illegal at the end of the story used an air freshener in New York he gets a pass on breaking the laws of the United States by being ILLEGALLY in the country? Ridiculous liberalism. Rule number 1: Under no circumstances ever deport a democratic voter (yes, illegals do commit voter fraud)
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NO sanctuary oasis cities! See Reading PA and Miami and Los Angeles. What part of illegal don't you understand?! Jail all that hire and assist the illegal aliens and deport all illegal aliens. And no anchor babies either. Come here legally, no problem. Come here illegally, don't come at all. Even Teddy Roosevelt said more than a hundred years ago that this country is not a dumping ground for other country's population overflow. No more HB Visas, day laborers, farm workers, etc. They are all criminals using benefits meant for legal immigrants and citizens only, don't pay taxes, don't speak English, murder, guns, tresspassing into a sovereign nation, faked and stolen IDs, DUI, drugs, etc. Many crimes committed by illegal aliens would never have been committed had they not been here.
It's like breaking into a house and then demanding you and yours can stay there. In addition, how can anyone trust what they say when they came here illegally in the first place?!
It's like breaking into a house and then demanding you and yours can stay there. In addition, how can anyone trust what they say when they came here illegally in the first place?!
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I don't understand how having someone drive with out a license, illegal immigrant or American citizen is good for anyone on the streets! The laws are made to protect everyone. Just paying a fine and being released is hardly a deterrent. It's like immigrant privilege, to be able to come here and disrespect ours laws, with little to no consequence!
Everyone else has to get a license, pay for insurance, pay taxes, pay for health insurance !
The system is flawed, and the illegals know it, and they take full advantage !
Everyone else has to get a license, pay for insurance, pay taxes, pay for health insurance !
The system is flawed, and the illegals know it, and they take full advantage !
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I spoke with such an immigrant yesterday in my gym. She was pushing a heavy cart, collecting towels. I started speaking with her because of some broken equipment.
Her English was not great but she was working on it. She was driven here from El Salvador, which is overrun with violent gangs..from Los Angeles. She is working hard, trying hard to fit in, and terrified of being forced to return.
I could not send her back to that for a broken tail light or some similar infraction. If you could, I'm glad we are unaquainted.
Her English was not great but she was working on it. She was driven here from El Salvador, which is overrun with violent gangs..from Los Angeles. She is working hard, trying hard to fit in, and terrified of being forced to return.
I could not send her back to that for a broken tail light or some similar infraction. If you could, I'm glad we are unaquainted.
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For me it would take the broken headlight, no license, no insurance, no registration, working without reporting income for taxation, collecting benefits she isn't entitled to. You know unimportant things.
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When Obama says he will cut federal funds if communities do not let LBGTs use whatever public restroom they want the NYT and Liberals cheer. When Trump wants to use the same procedure against people who have actual broken the law, he is vilified. Something is wrong with the liberal agenda.
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There should NO sanctuary cities to start with. Your comment is spot on!
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I'm one of those liberals but I don't think there should be Sanctuary cities either.
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If progressive insist on setting up THEIR islands of semi-lawlessness, the right can respond with islands where anyone coming thru town after midnight gets stopped & checked for wants & warrants with no exceptions.
And forget the dark-tinted window treatments! Oh, My!
Do the towns with no-saggy-pants laws fit in the same category?
And forget the dark-tinted window treatments! Oh, My!
Do the towns with no-saggy-pants laws fit in the same category?
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I take it that under your plan the standard operating rules of community pillars driving under the influence of any substance will be escorted to their homes without any legal repercussions, right?
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Look at what just happened in Louisiana where an illegal immigrant without a driver's license was inexplicably driving a charter bus and killed people. Why have immigration laws if we are not going to enforce them?
How can localities tell the federal immigration authorities to take a hike and then demand federal funds? Something is really wrong with this picture, especially as we are seeing people being deported and re-entering multiple times.
How can localities tell the federal immigration authorities to take a hike and then demand federal funds? Something is really wrong with this picture, especially as we are seeing people being deported and re-entering multiple times.
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It seems pretty obvious that if localities can pick and choose which federal laws to obey or when to comply with legitimate requests from federal officers the whole system will come apart. Taking federal money from such localities seems like a mild way to try to get compliance. We are a national of laws. There is a push involving illegal immigration to claim that it is somehow different from other crimes, for example trying to use the term undocumented worker to change the conversation. But it doesn't change the fact that if the federal government compels the locality must comply.
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What Trump is advocating is exactly what Robert Kennedy did 55 years ago as attorney general in the deep south: enforce federal laws which the south had selectively, openly, and arrogantly ignored. By arm-twisting the southern states let the freedom riders ride, Kennedy played a key role restoring civil rights to African Americans, and with it performed enormous good to the entire country.
This may come as a surprise to Trump, but his policy of enforcing federal law is based on exactly that sound, successful Democratic precedent set by RFK, nothing less. Like RFK, he too believes that enforcement of federal law is important because it genuinely benefits all Americans, not a select few. Although unlike RFK, JFK, and LBJ, he's performing more than lip service, has no intention to to water-down civil rights for African Americans by opening up immigration in tandem.
Putting aside likability, Trump is hitting all the right notes and taking all the right positions on difficult issues like immigration and international trade. The Democrats meanwhile couch behind touch-feely politically-correct speech that has a history of doing more harm than good. Voters have already recognized this key difference between the candidates although a good 10% still shy to admit to a telephone pollster. Meanwhile, emails continue to drip on a weekly basis with Wiki promising an entire dump in October.
Taken together, Trump has only one way to go: up. While Hillary, oh that sinking feeling...
This may come as a surprise to Trump, but his policy of enforcing federal law is based on exactly that sound, successful Democratic precedent set by RFK, nothing less. Like RFK, he too believes that enforcement of federal law is important because it genuinely benefits all Americans, not a select few. Although unlike RFK, JFK, and LBJ, he's performing more than lip service, has no intention to to water-down civil rights for African Americans by opening up immigration in tandem.
Putting aside likability, Trump is hitting all the right notes and taking all the right positions on difficult issues like immigration and international trade. The Democrats meanwhile couch behind touch-feely politically-correct speech that has a history of doing more harm than good. Voters have already recognized this key difference between the candidates although a good 10% still shy to admit to a telephone pollster. Meanwhile, emails continue to drip on a weekly basis with Wiki promising an entire dump in October.
Taken together, Trump has only one way to go: up. While Hillary, oh that sinking feeling...
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Let's just enforce the laws. Ignoring laws sets a very bad societal precedent and further allows bad behaviors such as lying by politicians like Clinton and Trump to be accepted as okay. Now, not only politicians are above the law, but illegal immigrants are above the law. Many law abiding citizens who pay for these infractions - mainly middle class citizens - are fed up with this dynamic. I believe requiring the laws to be enforced will place unbelievable pressure on the enforcement system, and reveal all of the cracks in it. If the resources do not exist to enforce them, raise taxes to fund enforcement. The specter of raising taxes, touching people's wallets and pocketbooks, has a way of getting everyone's, Republican, Democrats, and independents attention and energy to change laws to become more accommodating to the human reality of the situation. Simply allowing laws to be broken and flouted undermines our democracy.
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Let's cut to the chase here.
Either declare a "North American Union" where, like in the European Union, people are totally free to cross any national borders at any time for any reason,
or
immediately incarcerate, under the harshest conditions allowed by any court, any and all individuals found to have entered or remained in the United States of America illegally until they are expeditiously returned to their country of origin.
Put these two choices to a vote of the American people and the latter would win by 3, 4, 5 to 1.
We poor peons in the hinterlands are tired of and disgusted with Democrats endangering our lives and livelihoods and socially engineering our communities for the sole purpose of engendering votes from a portion of our country's population.
Either declare a "North American Union" where, like in the European Union, people are totally free to cross any national borders at any time for any reason,
or
immediately incarcerate, under the harshest conditions allowed by any court, any and all individuals found to have entered or remained in the United States of America illegally until they are expeditiously returned to their country of origin.
Put these two choices to a vote of the American people and the latter would win by 3, 4, 5 to 1.
We poor peons in the hinterlands are tired of and disgusted with Democrats endangering our lives and livelihoods and socially engineering our communities for the sole purpose of engendering votes from a portion of our country's population.
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We poor peons are tired of the Trumps of the world who hire undocumented immigrants and who misuse visas (modeling is such a "speciality" job!).
I'll go along with rounding every undocumented immigrant up as long as you agree that all folks like Trump are also rounded up and either deported or rot in prison with a life sentence.
I'll go along with rounding every undocumented immigrant up as long as you agree that all folks like Trump are also rounded up and either deported or rot in prison with a life sentence.
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Eighty percent of Americans polled say that they are deeply concerned about the open border dangers. Now, back on your flying unicorn and be gone with ye.
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it is already against the law to hire an illegal alien
how do you know who Trump hires?
how do you know who Trump hires?
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Trump's All or Nothing thoughts/statements (known as splitting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology) ) are not thoughts/statements that can be turned into realistic policies and programs.
That's why when he makes these outrageous statements - that's all they are. To implement them would bankrupt our country and pit citizen against citizen (civil war).
Obviously Trump's childhood has damaged him and unfortunately, we cannot heal his wounds. It's probably too late for therapy but it's not too late to keep him out of a position which allows him to further indulge his toxic behaviors.
That's why when he makes these outrageous statements - that's all they are. To implement them would bankrupt our country and pit citizen against citizen (civil war).
Obviously Trump's childhood has damaged him and unfortunately, we cannot heal his wounds. It's probably too late for therapy but it's not too late to keep him out of a position which allows him to further indulge his toxic behaviors.
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Trump said that local police are "God" as far as immigration. So let them be in this case too. They've got a point; they're not border patrol, they don't want to be.
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I am an immigrant, came to the country as a student and pursued the proverbial American dream without breaking any immigration laws. Our adherence to the constitution and judicial laws make us different from the country I came from, where laws are not respected and sidelined through bribery and systemic corruption.
Entering the country illegally is a violation of the immigration law. From where I stand, the immigration system is not broken, but the misguided compassion and political correctness are. After all why bother having immigration laws or any laws at all if they are not going to be enforced. Just because some people do not agree with the existing laws does not mean they can break them or disobey them. If current immigration laws are inhumane, then get the Congress to rewrite the laws and push them through the legislative branch of the government for enactment. Until then, people entering the country without complying to the existing immigration laws are illegal in the eyes of the law no matter how one sugarcoats them and calling them undocumented immigrants.
Rewarding immigration law violators with a pathway to citizenship defies common sense and merely encourages more violators to storm the borders. I am not devoid of compassion or empathy, but it is cogent to look at failed governments and failed states, and ask the questions how and why they failed their citizens that led to hopelessness and their exodus from their homeland.
Entering the country illegally is a violation of the immigration law. From where I stand, the immigration system is not broken, but the misguided compassion and political correctness are. After all why bother having immigration laws or any laws at all if they are not going to be enforced. Just because some people do not agree with the existing laws does not mean they can break them or disobey them. If current immigration laws are inhumane, then get the Congress to rewrite the laws and push them through the legislative branch of the government for enactment. Until then, people entering the country without complying to the existing immigration laws are illegal in the eyes of the law no matter how one sugarcoats them and calling them undocumented immigrants.
Rewarding immigration law violators with a pathway to citizenship defies common sense and merely encourages more violators to storm the borders. I am not devoid of compassion or empathy, but it is cogent to look at failed governments and failed states, and ask the questions how and why they failed their citizens that led to hopelessness and their exodus from their homeland.
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You are naive if you think the system isn't broken.
When Trump and his other wealthy friends can bring in "models" on H1-B visas - that's a definitive sign that we have a problem.
When Trump and his other wealthy friends can bring in "models" on H1-B visas - that's a definitive sign that we have a problem.
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Well said! It's amazing to me how little attention is paid to those who follow the law and come here legally. Those who support illegals are only furthering the injustice legal immigrants face.
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How can parts of this country sink so low that they reward law breakers and block the federal government from enforcing the laws.
Those cities and churches with those attitudes should be denies federal Funds. Church who commit similar acts should lose their tax free status.
There has to be punishment for lawbreakers, and churches and cities which take the law in their own hands should be punished. They are criminals too.
Those cities and churches with those attitudes should be denies federal Funds. Church who commit similar acts should lose their tax free status.
There has to be punishment for lawbreakers, and churches and cities which take the law in their own hands should be punished. They are criminals too.
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I don't understand how a policy that results in the release of someone who has broken the law, whether it be Federal, State, or Municipal, makes any sense. Didn't we learn anything from 9/11 about the need for law enforcement at all levels to cooperate more fully with each other ? I am not suggesting we go door to door but once someone comes into contact or is detained by law enforcement, even if it is for an air freshener, outstanding issues should be resolved. In New York if I have $1,000. in outstanding parking tickets and I am pulled over my car will be impounded and I will be detained. How is being in this country illegally any different ?
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I sometimes think that we all need to go through some level of economics 101 whenever an election is upon us.
Why don't we just arrest everyone for every infraction? Jay walking surely is as serious as murder, right????
It's about priorities. Is it more important to us that we detain millions of undocumented immigrants who statistically, are not the root cause for our bigger issues (poverty, lack of education, hostile police forces, etc...)? It's not in my top 5 priorities.
Immigration reform is in my top 5. Any kind of reform that we can make won't start with rounding up people. It starts with examining the policies in place and modifying them based upon the direction we want to take our country in.
After the policies, then we need programs which are funded, to support those policies. This is the part where we have to decide if Program A in migration reform is more important than Program A in education (or whatever you deem as a priority). Not everything can be funded - we don't have an endless amount of funds. This is really no different than how you manage your household expenses. Are you gong to buy groceries this week or are you going to buy a new pair of shoes? Maybe you want both but reality is you may only be able to afford 1.
Why don't we just arrest everyone for every infraction? Jay walking surely is as serious as murder, right????
It's about priorities. Is it more important to us that we detain millions of undocumented immigrants who statistically, are not the root cause for our bigger issues (poverty, lack of education, hostile police forces, etc...)? It's not in my top 5 priorities.
Immigration reform is in my top 5. Any kind of reform that we can make won't start with rounding up people. It starts with examining the policies in place and modifying them based upon the direction we want to take our country in.
After the policies, then we need programs which are funded, to support those policies. This is the part where we have to decide if Program A in migration reform is more important than Program A in education (or whatever you deem as a priority). Not everything can be funded - we don't have an endless amount of funds. This is really no different than how you manage your household expenses. Are you gong to buy groceries this week or are you going to buy a new pair of shoes? Maybe you want both but reality is you may only be able to afford 1.
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No, just report undocumented felons to ICE. The convicted felon in SF was released without informing ICE. He's not the first undoc (illegal is a racist term in these parts) to commit murder after being released.
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It is impossible to take seriously anything at all that comes out of the Orange One's little tiny mouth.
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The idea of "Sanctuary Cities" is not an effort to ignore federal law. It's designed to convince Congress to change federal law. Immigration reform has been on the table since the Bush administration. But conservative law makers not only block the bills, they even shut off any debate over the issue.
Sanctuary draws support from our history with nullification as a means of protest. When the the federal Fugitive Slave Act was passed it required even 'free states' to assist in the arrest and return of runaway slaves. Some communities decided to openly refuse to enforce the law because of their moral position to slavery. A few went as far as to break fugitive slaves out of jail and send them to freedom in Canada.
Sanctuary cities are taking this same moral stance because Congress has been captured by a small band of zealots who are holding the legislative process hostage. The majority of Americans want immigration reform, not Sanctuary Cities. But when our law makers refuse to do their job, it's appropriate for local municipalities to do theirs by offering sanctuary.
Sanctuary draws support from our history with nullification as a means of protest. When the the federal Fugitive Slave Act was passed it required even 'free states' to assist in the arrest and return of runaway slaves. Some communities decided to openly refuse to enforce the law because of their moral position to slavery. A few went as far as to break fugitive slaves out of jail and send them to freedom in Canada.
Sanctuary cities are taking this same moral stance because Congress has been captured by a small band of zealots who are holding the legislative process hostage. The majority of Americans want immigration reform, not Sanctuary Cities. But when our law makers refuse to do their job, it's appropriate for local municipalities to do theirs by offering sanctuary.
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"But when our law makers refuse to do their job, it's appropriate for local municipalities to do theirs by offering sanctuary."
Since you endorse the concept of "local municipalities" ignoring federal law when it suits the local political climate, I take it you have no objection to Arizona Sheriff Joe Arapio's ongoing round up and jailing of illegal immigrants. Agreed?
Since you endorse the concept of "local municipalities" ignoring federal law when it suits the local political climate, I take it you have no objection to Arizona Sheriff Joe Arapio's ongoing round up and jailing of illegal immigrants. Agreed?
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You can not justify ignoring federal law just because you want to make a point. Nobody likes paying taxes, so we should all just stop paying and hope Congress changes the law. With sanctuary cities, there are real consequences: innocent citizens become victims of convicted criminal aliens.
The big question is why liberals are fighting so hard for illegal immigrants and against American citizens.
The big question is why liberals are fighting so hard for illegal immigrants and against American citizens.
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Yes. And "reform" starts with enforcing the laws already on the books. Not coming up with tangled pretzel justifications for "amnesty."
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I'm a U.S. Border Patrol Academy graduate and a former INS special agent. During the seventies we would get request from police departments to pick up illegal aliens they had in custody for minor traffic offenses; however, I do recall ever receiving such a request from the Newark, Jersey City, Paterson or Trenton, New Jersey Police. The calls came from small and rural towns in New Jersey where very few illegal immigrants resided. The cities which all had large populations of illegals didn't appear to have any problems with them - and that's without their declaring themselves "sanctuary cities." Oddly, Rudy Giuliani while mayor of New York gave a forceful speech in which he endorsed Mayor Koch's approach to the city's illegal immigrants. He fervently endorsed the implementation of policies we now label "sanctuary." It has always mystified me that areas that have the fewest illegal immigrants complain the loudest.
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" The cities which all had large populations of illegals didn't appear to have any problems with them -"
Might it be because these cities with large populations of illegal aliens were all run by democrat political machines who saw illegals as potential illegal voters?
Might it be because these cities with large populations of illegal aliens were all run by democrat political machines who saw illegals as potential illegal voters?
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Why is the Obama administration allowing cities to pass laws that violate federal law? Illegal aliens that commit crimes should be turned over to ICE to be deported. Failure to follow federal law should result in a loss of federal funding, end of story
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For the same reasons that the following administrations allowed it: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush. In many state constitutions local governments have self-rule powers...which are rooted in the formation of the USA from its colonial times...and that are constitutionally valid powers.
My question is: why do so few American citizens these days actually understand how their local, state and federal systems of government work and relate to each other?
My question is: why do so few American citizens these days actually understand how their local, state and federal systems of government work and relate to each other?
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Granted, the matter on which "Omar" was pulled over was a trivial one. But he is here in this country illegally. Why is it a good thing that he is released from custody, rather than being deported ?
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These sanctuary cities are ridiculous. Illegals are already here illegally. The least they can do is follow every single law to the letter.
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Tens of millions of American citizens live below the poverty line today and the vast majority of those are children. Those so-called progressives running around advocating for "Sanctuary Cities" --where our resources (schools, medical care, housing, food stamps...etc ) are consumed by poor migrants from the developing world-- should refocus their energy to provide a sanctuary for the millions of Americans currently struggling with poverty. Let's take care of our American family first.
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You're making the assumption that to get rid of one program means funding for another. Trump's priorities are not the poor. You only have to look at his tax "plan" to see that.
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The wrong assumption you make is that I support Trump because advocate that our nation change America's immigration law to prioritize taking care of American's poor first before we admit more poor migrants from the developing world-- which the fast food, the hotel industry, Walmart type stores love because migrants are willing to work for slave wages allowing those exploitive corporations to maximize profits while the U.S. taxpayer subsidizes migrants while living in the U.S. I know what I'm talking about. I was on the frontlines of the broken immigration system. I also supported and contributed to Bernie Sanders campaign because he had the right economic policies.
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Not a fan, but sometimes Trump is correct. Cut off all Federal money to sanctuary cities. If that doesn't bring them in line, cut off Federal money to the states to which those sanctuary cities belong.
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"President Obama expanded nationwide a program allowing the Department of Homeland Security to receive the fingerprints of every person booked by the state and local police. After many immigrant communities rebelled, the administration canceled some of its efforts in 2014, and replaced them with a single, less intrusive one"
The is kind of funny. A single, less intrusive... effort? Or a single fingerprint?
Maybe the middle one..
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Donny T's overwhelming idea for an oasis for criminals is himself in the White House, his ultimate sanctuary, still not impossible. For a cheeky peek behind closed doors at a gleefully criminal Halloween there under Donny T, playwright Dick Weber's no-holds-barred romp AW, DONNY! is spot-on unforgettable political satire (like Brecht meets the Marx Bros - check it out on Medium). Ridicule is a radiating weapon. HRC superPac Priorities USA should post that playscript for free downloads, as its devastating effect is long lasting, unlike pricey TV ads that can evaporate in a few days. Donny T fooled millions in the primaries, the voters' fault. Fooling millions more now, he's developing a political business model that rewards the greatest criminality.
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"see policies that make their jurisdictions safer by encouraging undocumented immigrants to report crimes."
And of course these must be crimes committed by US citizens since we all know (here at NYT) that undocumented immigrants themselves do not commit crimes. (smile).
Incidentally, can we really call them undocumented if they have drivers' licenses?
I honestly do not know what to think of Trump and his policies, but certainly the NYT and its fans are competing with him in insanity.
And of course these must be crimes committed by US citizens since we all know (here at NYT) that undocumented immigrants themselves do not commit crimes. (smile).
Incidentally, can we really call them undocumented if they have drivers' licenses?
I honestly do not know what to think of Trump and his policies, but certainly the NYT and its fans are competing with him in insanity.
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Why is no one here commenting about the entities who hire illegal immigrants? How many people have nannies, maids, gardeners who are here illegally? How many corporations hire illegal immigrants? These entities just want cheap labor at any costs. Why is Donald Trump not talking about that? I'll tell you why - because he's a hypocrite.
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Yes, massive forceful deportations, were they to take place under a Trump administration, should start with those unwanted foreigners employed as nannies, gardeners and laborers serving those residing or working within the DC beltway or its broader metropolitan area. Additional considerations should include prosecuting the employers or contractors of these folks.
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Wait, now I don't need a driver's license to drive in NYC? I guess that makes sense considering vehicular negligent homicide seems to be legal too.
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It helps to have friends and/or relatives in high places:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/president-obama-uncle-arrested-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519002/President-Obama-admits-l...
http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/03/obamas-uncle-evades-deportation-after-...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/president-obama-uncle-arrested-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519002/President-Obama-admits-l...
http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/03/obamas-uncle-evades-deportation-after-...
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It is interesting in how our country is based on the rule of law and in a lot of cases that rule is not followed. The old proverbial saying in American society that is repeated over and over is that "rules are made to be broken" is so true and stretched to the highest degree in some cases. This mantra is magnified a hundred fold when it comes to greed in hiring illegals over citizens because it is cheaper and increase profits. It magnifies itself again when illegals who broke the law are then separated in classes of lawful abiding and unlawful illegals. Those who break laws here are sent back while the others are able to stay. Once someone crosses the border, over stays a visa, etc., without the proper documentation stating they are allowed to be in the US, have broken the law and thus have created a criminal act. No exceptions and should face the consequences for thier actions. Until those in power come to the same conclusion we as a nation will continue to have the same problems as we do now.
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I've never seen an employer who is caught for hiring undocumented immigrants punished in a way that stops this behavior.
All of this talk about immigrants goes back to our main issue: we need to really look at these laws and modify them appropriately. And when I mean appropriately, they also need to include severe punishments for businesses (like Trump's Modeling agency) and people (like Trump) who skirt the laws to maintain/enhance their profitability.
All of this talk about immigrants goes back to our main issue: we need to really look at these laws and modify them appropriately. And when I mean appropriately, they also need to include severe punishments for businesses (like Trump's Modeling agency) and people (like Trump) who skirt the laws to maintain/enhance their profitability.
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Unlicensed illegal immigrants have untested driving skills and often lack insurance. It's not a small matter.
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It's a traffic matter. Not a national immigration policy matter.
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If you can't solve real problems:
1) Exaggerate problems already being addressed (the less real the better)
2). Offer dramatic, draconian solutions. Sound bites help. Repeat frequently. Use a megaphone. Tweet a lot.
2) Waffle.
3) Start to walk back.
4) Double down
5) Visit and meet leaders of the "bad guys"
6) Come back home and triple down.
7) Eventually (when you hope no one is looking) admit the people in charge are doing the best that anyone can.
Perhaps we can get candidates who want to solve real (and solveable) problems, but, as a previous boss of mine once said, that would look too much like work.
Could this be why we get officeholders who look more like Bachmann than Lincoln?
1) Exaggerate problems already being addressed (the less real the better)
2). Offer dramatic, draconian solutions. Sound bites help. Repeat frequently. Use a megaphone. Tweet a lot.
2) Waffle.
3) Start to walk back.
4) Double down
5) Visit and meet leaders of the "bad guys"
6) Come back home and triple down.
7) Eventually (when you hope no one is looking) admit the people in charge are doing the best that anyone can.
Perhaps we can get candidates who want to solve real (and solveable) problems, but, as a previous boss of mine once said, that would look too much like work.
Could this be why we get officeholders who look more like Bachmann than Lincoln?
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Wow! So the guy who got pulled over gets to stay and the NYT treats it like a good thing? Unbelievable! If you're in the country illegally you should be prepared to face the consequences. I am tired of the argument that people should be allowed to stay because they "contribute to society". I am also tired of the "racist" label being frequently attached to those opposed to illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants are not a race. I know personally of several Canadians, Israelis and Russians who were or are here illegally at one point and I feel they need to be deported like everyone else here illegally. Furthermore, if you come here illegally and have a child, be prepared to face the consequence of having to move back with them. There's no need to "split up families". Kids can go to where their parents came from, nothing is stopping that, but to use their children to win sympathy is disgusting at the very least. People coming here illegally do so with the full knowledge they are breaking the law and need to face the music.
Lastly, how come no one thinks about legal immigrants in all of this debate? What about them? Why should someone wait years legally when millions have skipped the queue? How is that fair? If I was a legal immigrant I would be furious, or think that I'm a fool, to wait patiently while someone skips ahead. No one mentions them yet they arguably suffer the most injustice.
Lastly, how come no one thinks about legal immigrants in all of this debate? What about them? Why should someone wait years legally when millions have skipped the queue? How is that fair? If I was a legal immigrant I would be furious, or think that I'm a fool, to wait patiently while someone skips ahead. No one mentions them yet they arguably suffer the most injustice.
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The mayflowers started it. History repeat itself . That's make America
Harley:
You are 100% correct about not necessarily breaking up families.
The main reason it does break up families is money. Over 60% of households headed by an illegal alien receive social welfare, typically in the form of food subsidies for a U.S.-born child. If the child leaves the country with the parents, this steady income stream goes away.
You are 100% correct about not necessarily breaking up families.
The main reason it does break up families is money. Over 60% of households headed by an illegal alien receive social welfare, typically in the form of food subsidies for a U.S.-born child. If the child leaves the country with the parents, this steady income stream goes away.
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I hate when they refer to immigrants in the hope that we won't notice they've conflated legal with illegal immigrants. I'm a legal immigrant. I live here legally. I work here legally. I speak English. When I have a cold or need a pregnancy test, I do not use the E.R. My children do not receive welfare benefits. More of a school's budget isn't used teaching my kids English. I don't need the schools to provide my kids dinner. I'm a legal immigrant, and a proud American and I'm sick of illegal immigrants and those who advocate for them.
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Ms. Yi's client, Omar, would not have been deported because of a minor traffic infraction, he would have been deported, because the was breaking Federal law and was here illegally. Who are the biggest law breakers; people like Omar who drive without a license or the Judges and other NYC officials who flaunt Federal law?
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The sanctuary cities movement was established in the mid 1980s in response to the large number of war and human rights refugees arriving in the United States due to U.S. military interventions in Central America & US support for the Haitian dictator 'Baby Doc' Duvalier. The Reagan Administration treated these refugees as 'economic refugees' as part of its denial of involvements in these military interventions and their impacts.
The movement was actually started by Christian churches, who in observance of Christian tenets offered sanctuary in their churches and in parishioners homes. Deportation of these refuges to El Salvador, Guatemala, or Haiti would often directly lead to their loss of life.
The churches joined with established immigrant communities to lobby city governments to establish city-wide sanctuary policies. The first cities to do so were Los Angeles and Chicago. Within a matter of years more than a hundred municipalities had established sanctuary city policies.
During this time period, the US Supreme Court ruled that the INS was in fact violating federal immigration statutes in their manner of long detentions and deportations of war/human rights refugees.
Once the policies were established, police departments learned in the 1990s how their policing efforts could be improved through better relations with vulnerable immigrant/refugee communities.
When he was mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani strongly and publicly supported his city's sanctuary policy.
The movement was actually started by Christian churches, who in observance of Christian tenets offered sanctuary in their churches and in parishioners homes. Deportation of these refuges to El Salvador, Guatemala, or Haiti would often directly lead to their loss of life.
The churches joined with established immigrant communities to lobby city governments to establish city-wide sanctuary policies. The first cities to do so were Los Angeles and Chicago. Within a matter of years more than a hundred municipalities had established sanctuary city policies.
During this time period, the US Supreme Court ruled that the INS was in fact violating federal immigration statutes in their manner of long detentions and deportations of war/human rights refugees.
Once the policies were established, police departments learned in the 1990s how their policing efforts could be improved through better relations with vulnerable immigrant/refugee communities.
When he was mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani strongly and publicly supported his city's sanctuary policy.
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Pragmatic:
Thank you for the brief history lesson, especially regarding the role of churches.
Churches' current support for illegal immigration now makes much more sense. It's good for business in the long term by putting more seats in the pews. In the short term, they also earn federal dollars for providing support services to refugees and immigrants.
Yet another reason for greater separation of church and state.
(And I'm a fairly devout Christian.)
Thank you for the brief history lesson, especially regarding the role of churches.
Churches' current support for illegal immigration now makes much more sense. It's good for business in the long term by putting more seats in the pews. In the short term, they also earn federal dollars for providing support services to refugees and immigrants.
Yet another reason for greater separation of church and state.
(And I'm a fairly devout Christian.)
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So cities are allowed their own immigration policy that the Supreme Court said Arizona couldn't have?
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It's a dangerous path when cities decide to selectively not enforce the law. It sets a precedent for other cities in the future to come up with their own set of rules.
What's next, Sonoma becoming a sanctuary city for drunk driving to stimulate the local wine consumption?
What's next, Sonoma becoming a sanctuary city for drunk driving to stimulate the local wine consumption?
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there are numerous public policy reasons that big cities do not enforce the law. Public health for example. If you are afraid to live in the open then you will not get your TB (as an example) treated properly, and then you are a risk to the entire population. It encourages crime, because if you are afraid to be detected, you are less likely to report a crime. The examples are many. Think about how terrible life must have been at home for you to live on the fringe of society.
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The problem wouldn't exist if these people hadn't decided to break the law to come here.
I have infinitely more sympathy for refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc. that through no fault of their own have become victims of America's horrible Middle East foreign policy.
We are talking about economic migrants here mostly who decided that the rules do not apply to them and that they felt entitled to jump the line. Illegal actions have consequences and there shouldn't be a reward for breaking the law, which is basically what 'sanctuary cities' do by not enforcing the law.
I have infinitely more sympathy for refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc. that through no fault of their own have become victims of America's horrible Middle East foreign policy.
We are talking about economic migrants here mostly who decided that the rules do not apply to them and that they felt entitled to jump the line. Illegal actions have consequences and there shouldn't be a reward for breaking the law, which is basically what 'sanctuary cities' do by not enforcing the law.
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Deporting them would eliminate those problems. And to use your example, who's paying for "your TB" to get treated properly?
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“If you want federal dollars, you have to obey federal law,” said Sam Page, the sheriff of Rockingham County, N.C."
Interesting concept from a sheriff from North Carolina, that the federal government should punish local governments and citizens for not obeying policy. Seems to be a case of pick and choose which policy you like, if it protects trans gender people then it is federal overreach. If it protects people of color it is federal overreach, voting rights are federal overreach. But if it is no cooperation with ICE and a witch hunt of latino people that is deserving of denial of federal funding.
Big government is in the eye of the beholder. This GOP wants to hire millions of deportation squad vigilantes but won't hire school teachers or social workers.
Interesting concept from a sheriff from North Carolina, that the federal government should punish local governments and citizens for not obeying policy. Seems to be a case of pick and choose which policy you like, if it protects trans gender people then it is federal overreach. If it protects people of color it is federal overreach, voting rights are federal overreach. But if it is no cooperation with ICE and a witch hunt of latino people that is deserving of denial of federal funding.
Big government is in the eye of the beholder. This GOP wants to hire millions of deportation squad vigilantes but won't hire school teachers or social workers.
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Last time I checked, it's not the federal government's role to "hire teachers and social workers", but it is their role to enforce federal laws. Maybe increasing size of ICE isn't the solution, maybe they can be given new tools to work more efficiently.
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Last time I checked federal funds distributed to states for education are used for just that. Federal funds for transportation, health, building bridges or as Bill Clinton did to hire 100,000 police officers in the 90's are just that. Conservatives complain when the federal government uses with holding federal funds for to protect the rights of citizens that a state governor doesn't like that it is interference. They can't pick and choose and suddenly want the US government to push local governments around when it suits their purposes.
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This is a byproduct of our immigration policy. I believe local police should enforce local laws and immigration laws should be enforced by the feds. Congress should address our visa policy along deciding what to do with the people here illegally. If deporting them is the answer then the federal government should first issue "papers" that all here legally should carry at all times, then build build camps to store the illegals, then get the army to start the cleansing process. Sounds like a President Trump plan!
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It's not an original plan. President Truman did it first.
Could the Times provide a list of federal laws that are currently being enforced. I'm aware that prison is available for those who benefit from inside information. I'm aware that not protecting classified information is no longer a crime, or could you clarify no longer a crime if your name is Clinton. Are all illegal border crossers breaking the law or are they just undocumented? Is growing, possessing, and selling marijuana a federal crime? Are crimes ignored on the basis of protecting votes?
I'm so confused can you help?
I'm so confused can you help?
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Invading Iraq was also illegal; so were the tactics the US used. But all has been forgotten. Good news! The neo-cons like Paul Wolfowitz are all on board with Clinton! One big tent now, one-party rule in the US! Must be Russia's fault.
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It is actually quite simple. If it will help elect Hillary, and speed the day when open borders have forced the NYtimes-enlightened US to improve the rest of the world to a place where we all have an equal standard of living provided by the government and no one makes or has too much money, then breaching federal law is for a greater good. Think Harrison Bergeron on steroids. The story, not the kid.
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That would be an equally *low* standard of living provided by the government, I think, Here.
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These cities are actively undermining federal policy and helping to create a burden on federal coffers. How would stripping them of federal funds be any different from stripping states of federal funds for refusing to let transsexuals use the wrong bathroom?
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The cities are breaking actual laws. The states you mention are merely opposing an interpretation of federal law by Obama that is not in the law or regulations, and has not been tested in the courts.
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. . . and the inconvenient fact that he does not belong in our country.
The most sensible thing to do is to immediately expel all illegal aliens from our country. It just makes good sense.