The Second Greatest Period in Something’s History

Aug 30, 2016 · 46 comments
Robert Michael Panoff (Durham, NC)
not many comments today. Then again, couldn't get to the comments most of the day. I remember on my 60th birthday getting a card welcoming me to the "Metallic age": Silver in my hair, gold in my teeth, titanium in my shoulder and lead in my arse." (so to speak).
Deadline (New York City)
I got an email notification that a comment of mine had posted. But I was still unable to get to the Comment section of Wordplay.

After a whole lot of tries using a whole lot of routes, I seem to have been able to return to Wrodplay.

Perhaps--just perhaps???--there is still a problem?
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Don't get all wrought up!
Leapfinger (Durham, NC)
BA, are you saying there is something wroughten in the state of Deadline?
Reina Nijinsky (New York)
did not get copper cups nor the silver age clue! Had to wait for the grid to fill out first. Most annoying for a Tuesday puzz! Hmm.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Copper-cups are not in my wheelhouse either, but the Monday-difficulty words that crossed it -- and a quick grasp of the theme --made this puzzle a faster than usual Tuesday. If the crossing fill had been any easier, I would have finished the puzzle before starting it. And where is it written that you can't learn new words or phrases from a Tuesday puzzle, or that Tuesday themers must be gimmes?
Brutus (Berkeley, NJ)
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I'll see your PIANET and raise you a grand. Billion year old CARBON? You betcha baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRjQCvfcXn0

The Marty Robbins ballad "Big IRON" is the title of a short 2010 oater. Michael Martin Murphy covers the song with snippets of the film as a backdrop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgvl8sQdQuQ

That, along with my first post, covers each themed element. All apologies for hogging the blog's space. I just couldn't REIN IN my compulsion to share today...I'm out for a lunch with my elder sib. SNEE ya later.
Deadline (New York City)
>>I'll see your PIANET and raise you a grand.<<

Well said, Bru. I always knew you were a player.
Leapfinger (Durham, NC)
Spin it, Deadline, spin it!!
David Connell (Weston CT)
Ah ha ha ha, Leapy, I'm glad I came by for a late visit.
Dr W (New York NY)
Can I suppose the xwp constructor is suggesting only silver agers know about making carbons? And that there was a period when carbon copies were where the big bucks were?
suejean (Harrogate)
I liked the idea, but like others thought only CARBON COPY was a familiar thing, although I like Deadline's thought that SILVER AGE could and should be. I found this a little hard for a Tuesday, but the theme helped a lot, especially getting CARBON COPY, thus confirming BIG BUCKS for me.

Loved seeing EVONNE Goolagong, one of my all time favorites as I said in a reply.
Rampiak (SF Bay Area)
Thumbs up for EVONNE Goolagong. I remember an iconic (to me anyway!) picture of her and John Newcombe after they both won wimbledone. Probably in '71/'72.
suejean (Harrogate)
Yes, Rampiak, 1971. I loved it when she came back in 1980 as a mother and won again.
Dr W (New York NY)
"Elementary, my dear Holmes!"
RY (Forgotten Borough)
Just right for a Tuesday.
Deadline (New York City)
I also liked the idea, but I was lukewarm about some of themers.

I'd never heard of COPPER CUPS, and in a post-solve Google the clued plant was buried in a bunch of stuff about CUPS--mugs really--made of COPPER. I learned that they are the traditional vessel for serving a Moscow mule. I'd heard of the drink but had no idea what it was, so had to Google. None of that had to do with the puzzle, but at least I learned something I thought was pretty obscure. Then I went to xwordinfo and found that Jeff likes that drink in that mug. Oh, well. The plant, though, I still think is obscure.

I liked the clue for IRON FENCE, but the entry seems like a green paint. I even Googled to see if it was A Thing, but it's apparently not. Or if it is, it's even more obscure than COPPER CUPS (plant).

Agree with Deb that SILVER AGE sounds made up, but I like it. It may not be In The Language, but that is The Language's loss. I hope it is now added.

I'd have clued CARBON COPY as "obsolete" rather than "antiquated." (BTW, the State of New York still sends out carbon sets of required forms to vendors/programs. Very annoying, that.)

I also had to Google AFC and got confused, but that's not surprising with football. Dredged ARA from my XWP memory bank, but had REF before RBI. Needed all the letters for WNBA, and Deb's column to explain the clue since the teams were unknown.

PIANET was a new word to me.

So this was a tougher-than-usual Tuesday, but even tougher to get to Comments.
Rampiak (SF Bay Area)
Agree that 'Moscow mule container' would have been a more Tuesday-level clue. I also thought IRON FENCE was a bit of a stretch, but it might be a thing going by the number of online ads for them... And I thought the "wrought" in the clue was a nice touch.
Rich in Atlanta (Decatur, Georgia)
Didn't have any trouble getting to the page, but getting the comments to show up was a different matter. 3 hours and multiple tries from different sources.

The puzzle: I actually guessed the reveal from a few crosses before I got any of the theme answers. That led to getting all of those. I got crossed up for a while in the NW and SE corners with dim-witted mistakes but worked it out eventually. I thought the puzzle and theme were pretty good overall. I still think the clue for IRONFENCE was just... weird. They must have been determined to work 'wrought IRON' in there somehow, but I don't think it panned out.

Forty ACRES and a mule never exactly worked out that way. After the civil war the first African-Americans to own significant amounts of land were the Gullah, who lived along the coast and on coastal islands off of Georgia and the Carolinas. But they bought their land. It's a fascinating culture that's maintained it's strong connections with Africa. But that culture is on the verge of disappearing.

I have a friend who is of Gullah descent and whose family still owns some of that original property. Through him I found out about this film which outlines the history and what's happening now. It's almost 15 minutes long, but I encourage all to take the time to watch it. My friend speaks briefly at 12:13 of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqDTJogdWmA

Very sad to know that all of this will likely soon be gone forever.
Jimbo57 (Oceanside NY)
Only 9 comments, obviously something went amiss overnight. I hope everybody will drop by during the day to leave their thoughts.

Easy Tuesday, but like I Deb, I wish some of the theme answers were more "in-the-language." Never heard of COPPERCUPS as defined, but once filled in, it made the other themers a snap to figure out. DEBS saved me from spelling 11D as YVONNE.

Lou Reed mined an uncharacteristically laidback groove on "My Love Is CHEMICAL," a song written for the soundtrack to the 1985 movie "White Nights" starring Mikhail Baryshnikov and Gregory Hines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyg1xUXh1XE
suejean (Harrogate)
DEBS also saved me from misspelling one of my favorite tennis players.
MTF Tobin (Manhattanville)
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Ditto for DEB helping out with EVONNE Cawley.

"White Nights" was unusual as a non-Disney film with two nominees for the Academy Award in the category: "Best Music, Original Song". The statuette went home with Lionel Richie for the song "Say You, Say Me".
Nominated as well was Stephen Bishop for the song "Separate Lives" (which I think is better, but I can't speak for how each song meshes with the film).
Brutus (Berkeley, NJ)
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The Art world lost a great one Monday morning when GENE Wilder died, yet another human being claimed by the destructive and cruel Alzheimer killer. Good grief!

Roland Huget sure knows what it takes to blend language with science. The well designed theme is craftily revealed in banner form. Fashioned as such, the clever arrangement balances out the grid tactfully. Accordingly, the judges have awarded style points that certainly ought to elevate the puzzle to metal winning status. I'm giving it a 9.8 Today's constructor stands to be an EARNER of the BIG BUCKS if he has other pieces of this caliber in Will's pipeline...Yay! DEB'S making a cameo in the NE today...This quintet needed some IRONing out. Here are the write overs: nfc/AFC, chalet/A-FRAME, epee/SNEE, rend/RIVE and Yvonne/EVONNE...I expect you all will enjoy Tuesday's twofer. The first greatest period in rock and roll history is still being written, the Stones Age. Released, IMHO, during the single greatest year of the 20th century, 1969 "You Got the SILVER" doesn't sport a PIANET (whatever the heck that is) but the bottle neck slide guitar atones for the lack of any of keyboard. The lyric's just a click away and is provided in the clip's comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1KHYpvSzNA

Steve Earle, born in Fort Monroe VA, is going to ESCORT us down a road that sounds like 'tis far from URBAN sprawl as one can hope to be. "COPPERhead Road."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg7B_WfY4SM
MTF Tobin (Manhattanville)
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Bru, I don't have a competing contender for the greatest year of the 20th century; but I will note that 1969 was darkened by some untimely deaths in the entertainment world, many untimely deaths on East Asia, and the Inauguration of Spiro Agnew.

Perhaps the best day for music in that century was the day Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde" went on sale. Why? Because "Pet Sounds" -- which used almost every tool available, perhaps even a PIANET -- hit the stores the same day.

GENE Wilder stopped doing theatrical film acting around the time he married his 4th wife. The parts simply weren't to his liking, and his nephew says he refused to do anything that wouldn't make people smile. Although he was in "SILVER Streak", I opine that the second-greatest performance in his history could have been "Blazing Saddles" or "The Producers". However, I will praise his work on "Young Frankenstein", in which he was the unquestioned lead. He was also one of the screenwriters. He won a Huget -- I mean "Hugo" -- Award that year, shared with Mel Brooks and of course Mary Wollstonecraft's little girl, Mary Shelley.

Wilder had a small (but -- spoiler alert! -- significant) role in a very high-quality film, "Bonnie and Clyde". On the set, he became good friends with GENE Hackman. That's why he was able to get Hackman (a very big deal as a dramatic actor at the time) to do an uncredited comic scene with dramatic actor Peter Boyle in "Young Frankenstein". Or so I read.

"But wait! I made espresso!"
Deb Amlen (Wordplay, The Road Tour)
Hi all,

The comments went on walkabout for a bit, but with the help of our intrepid scent-tracking emus, we tracked them down and brought them home.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Hi Deb,
Your column itself was a bit elusive shortly after 10 p.m. (as per my first post). I trust that was investigated too?
Deb Amlen (Wordplay, The Road Tour)
Jeez, you want everything, don't you, Barry? (Kidding!)
Kiki Rijkstra (Arizona)
I hope the emus can fix the bug that caused it. Most likely it was my post with a line that broke in the compose box, but not in the preview that exposed the bug. I suspect that the bug caused the break because comments went down immediately after I posted. It was the third original post of last night. It's still partially there, thanks to the emus.
archaeoprof (Jupiter, FL)
No problems getting to the site. This puzzle was more challenging than a typical Tuesday: just one writeover (epee/SNEE) but of the theme answers only CARBONCOPY came quickly. Hand up here for remembering EVONNE Goolagong.
Lewis (Asheville, NC)
(The comments aren't showing up on my screen, but the comment box is, so if I've duplicated anything previously said, it's because I didn't see it!)

I like the big S in made by the blocks in the center of the grid, and wonder if that was intentional, standing for "symbols". (Before I started solving, I wondered if this was going to be about Superman.)

Roland's other NYT published puzzles were two Saturdays and a Friday, and this puzzle felt to me like a Tuesday puzzle made by a Friday/Saturday constructor, in clues like those for RBI, ESCORT, and GENE, and the assortment of wonky answers. Also, looking at his other puzzles on Xwords, there is an emphasis on the look of the grid, leading me to believe that the S in the middle is intentional.

I liked the DEBS/BEDECK and UHUH/SHAM crosses, and I enjoyed the resistance-for-a-Tuesday. I even liked the clue for IRONFENCE because of the play on "wrought". This one pushed good buttons in me, and thank you, Sir Roland!
MTF Tobin (Manhattanville)
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Perhaps the S was there as the chemical symbol of sulphur/sulfur? After all, we recently had a seasHell puzzle.

Re "what hath the gardener wrought", I don't wish to insult anyone's intelligence here, but I wondered why so far no one has explicitly stated "What hath God wrought?" (a quote with historical relevance). Maybe I haven't read enough Comments. "Wrought" is an excellent word, as it can apply to writing or to a Wrought-IRON FENCE.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
MTF --
I'm relieved to read that you don't wish to insult the intelligence of other posters based on what they do *not* post. With respect to the clue for 26A, I did not feel any reMORSE for not commenting earlier, since both Deb and the constructor had remarked on it. Also, after solving the puzzle, I was occupied trying to find Wordplay last night and then trying to find Comments this morning; concerns about form trumped content. [Will the emus hold my post for that obscenity? Can we ever discuss bridge again?]
With a bit of time now, let me note my disappointment that the cute clue was not cuter. "What hath the gardener wrought?" is a bit awkward. How many gardeners who comment here are also makers of iron fences (except, I assume, Martin, who will be an accomplished smithy as well as a horticulturalist)? And gardeners do not have fences, gardens do. The clue really should have been "What hath garden wrought?" That would, of course, also have been closer to the original. I also hesitated to comment lest it aggravate the orthodox of any of the Abrahamic faith already taking a fence at the play on the name of the Diety.

FEh
Deadline (New York City)
I'd have been very confused by [What hath the garden wrought?], Barry.

No matter how rare the gardener who is also a fencewright, I can't quite imagine a garden building its own fence. (And would the garden make the house pay for it?)
Blue Moon (Where Nenes Fly)
"Rock bottom became the solid foundation on which I rebuilt my life." -- J. K. Rowling
Robert (Vancouver, Canada)
and Elke

Some people spend BIG BUCKS at "Gold Auctions". On the other hand my "Silicone Sieve" is worth every penny.
Had "straps" before SLEEVE , and really thought that Miss Goolagong's first name was yVONNE. I do remember her ads for Geritol and its IRON Feelgood feature...
Let's see what others can CREATE with CHEMICAL SYMBOLS.
I like what M. Huget did here ,though I nearly was TEED getting here.
Who has just one S'MORE ?
Kiki Rijkstra (Arizona)
^(ACTINIUMAC |SILVERAG|ALUMINIUMAL|ALUMINMAL|AMERICIUMAM|ARGONAR|ARSENICAS|ASTATINEAT|GOLDAU|BORONB|BARIUMBA|BERYLLIUMBE|BOHRIUMBH|BISMUTHBI|BERKELIUMBK|BROMINEBR|CARBONC|CALCIUMCA|CADMIUMCD|CERIUMCE|CALIFORNIUMCF|CHLORINECL|CURIUMCM|COPERNICIUMCN|COBALTCO|CHROMIUMCR|CAESIUMCS|CESIUMCS|COPPERCU|DUBNIUMDB|DARMSTADTIUMDS|DYSPROSIUMDY|ERBIUMER|EINSTEINIUMES|EUROPIUMEU|FLUORINEF|IRONFE|FLEROVIUMFL|FERMIUMFM|FRANCIUMFR|GALLIUMGA|GADOLINIUMGD|GERMANIUMGE|HYDROGENH|HELIUMHE|HAFNIUMHF|MERCURYHG|HOLMIUMHO|HASSIUMHS|IODINEI|INDIUMIN|IRIDIUMIR|POTASSIUMK|KRYPTONKR|LANTHANUMLA|LITHIUMLI|LAWRENCIUMLR|LUTETIUMLU|LIVERMORIUMLV|MENDELEVIUMMD|MAGNESIUMMG|MANGANESEMN|MOLYBDENUMMO|MEITNERIUMMT|NITROGENN|SODIUMNA|NIOBIUMNB|NEODYMIUMND|NEONNE|NICKELNI|NOBELIUMNO|NEPTUNIUMNP|OXYGENO|OSMIUMOS|PHOSPHORUSP|PROTACTINIUMPA|LEADPB|PALLADIUMPD|PROMETHIUMPM|POLONIUMPO|PRASEODYMIUMPR|PLATINUMPT|PLUTONIUMPU|RADIUMRA|RUBIDIUMRB|RHENIUMRE|RUTHERFORDIUMRF|ROENTGENIUMRG|RHODIUMRH|RADONRN|RUTHENIUMRU|SULFURS|SULPHURSU|ANTIMONYSB|SCANDIUMSC|SELENIUMSE|SEABORGIUMSG|SILICONSI|SAMARIUMSM|TINSN|STRONTIUMSR|TANTALUMTA|TERBIUMTB|TECHNETIUMTC|TELLURIUMTE|THORIUMTH|TITANIUMTI|THALLIUMTL|THULIUMTM|URANIUMU|UNUNOCTIUMUUO|UNUNPENTIUMUUP|UNUNSEPTIUMUUS|UNUNTRIUMUUT|VANADIUMV|TUNGSTENW|XENONXE|YTTRIUMY|YTTERBIUMYB|ZINCZN|ZIRCONIUMZR)

13 Resilts
CALCIUMCARBIDE CALCIUMCARBONATE CARBONCAPTURE CARBONCOPY CARBONCYCLE COPPERCUPS IRONFENCE IRONFENCES NITROGENNARCOSIS SILVERAGE SULFURS TINSNIPS
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Hi Kiki,
Is this the post that you thought brought down the comments?
Kiki Rijkstra (Arizona)
BA.

Yes, comments went down right after I posted it. There is a bug that isn't present in the compose box that shows up in the preview, which is pretty much useless since there is no option to edit or abort. It involves breaking long lines. There was a 1300-character line that wouldn't break after I posted it, but broke while composing. Strangely, it breaks cleanly in MS Notepad, but not in MS Word, yet it still breaks at a certain length.

Xword Info was able to handle the 1300-character Regex amd execuite it, but couldn't break the line either. It did use a horizontal scrollbar when it couldn't. That's a standard practice that I've never seen here in the comments.

This preview will show you the RegEx with length breaks. Proceed to see it with the scrollbar that should have been in use here to prevent disaster.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jnhxlo3
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Amazing. Perhaps the emus should be deployed to watch our code rather than our language. The latter does not seem problematic.
MTF Tobin (Manhattanville)
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I liked the theme very much but there were limitations as Deb noted.

It's too late now, and I'm not a constructor, but I think a better idea would have been having the themers be nonexistent punny phrases, and running it on Sunday. The revealer, and its clue, could be the exact same.

So a clue could be "Poison with an aging lab light?", which would yield ARSENIC AND OLD LASER.

"Vegas casino with artwork and Christmas music?" could be SILVER BELLAGIO.

"Actor Ed costumed for the Wizard of Oz?" could be TIN ASNER.

"Saddam Hussein's Africa purchase?" could [sarcastically] be URANIUM TUBE.

For the unpunny, perhaps "Medicine for bipolar patient" could be LITHIUM PILL.

Martin, about once every 300 crosswords, I complain that something was too easy. This I did most recently on Saturday, but I didn't give my solve time. I gave various comparisons of my solve time to other solve times, to indicate how easy it was. After thinking about it, and knowing that other Commenters have stated their solve time when making the same complaint, I decided to do the same. I solved the Saturday Crossword in 10 minutes flat. This is very far from my Saturday "average". As I indicated, it is very close to what I expect a Wednesday puzzle to require from me. And I continue to think that the solving community would benefit if Wednesday became a day -- maybe in alternate weeks -- for a less-rigorous themeless. Learning to solve themelesses is hard when the 'easiest' are on Fridays.
Brutus (Berkeley, NJ)
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MTF your comment brings to mind this '69 ballad from Hair via 3 Dog Night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgaXs7OlBIg

steel cut oats
MTF Tobin (Manhattanville)
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Bru, thanks for the video. I won't often reject anything by 3Dog Night, although I happen to be partial to the version on the Original Broadway Cast Album [NB - not "soundtrack"]; but I'm pleased that a group helped to popularize it.

I was enamored of the lyrics from my teen years, and as teens are wont to do, a young mtf wrote out the lyrics on a piece of paper (no internet, nor printer; the school did have one or 2 computers). In college, being dumbstruck by the heartless students of the "left" who claimed to care about strangers (one of whom is virtually guaranteed election to the US House this year from a "deep blue" district), I put that sheet in view somewhere near my desk.

My very close freshman-year buddy was disdainful of that. Now he earns his living from contingency fees as a tort lawyer.

A few years later, I became close with a professor, which was rare for me. (I worked for her.) She clued me in to her experience with people on the left and the right (she was distinctly on the left), w/r/t the personality types sometimes found in both groups. She taught a class that was always overenrolled, and she let me know I was guaranteed a slot if I wished one. Ultimately, I decided to continue as her employee rather than becoming her student. The distinctly left-wing students in the class were interpersonally distasteful.

We are fortunate here at Wordplay that Deb seems care about people AND social injustice.

Oh yeah: and that puzzle was still too easy!
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
It was hard to get here tonight. When I clicked on the usual link, only the Wordplay heading came up -- no columns. I got here by "searching" wordplay for the "past 24 hours." I hope they fix the link soon, or others come in through search. Is there a chemical symbol for coming in through the back door?
Kiki Rijkstra (Arizona)
Same blank Wordplay problem here--I usually get here via its RSS feed which just now started working.
MTF Tobin (Manhattanville)
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John from Chicago was responsible somehow.

Or maybe it was the circles?

(However, they did help my solve ... Cu gave me COPPER.)
Rampiak (SF Bay Area)
Took 4-5 attempts - using safari on iOS.