There's more than a touch of irony in hearing how White men like Trump and Giuliani are going to help us poor Black folk. They remind me of the British who believed earnestly that they were civilizing India, teaching them the proper way to live and behave. How White of them.
Now we have a racist from Britain Nigel Farage coming to the States to a Trump rally of all places not to endorse Trump but to praise him and equate his campaign to the Brexit vote. How British of him. I imagine Trump values the words of Farage as he does of others who attempt to hide their racism behind economic policies.
They haven't fooled me. Their racist taunts against our beloved President Obama speaks volumes about where they stand when it comes to Race. That they have the nerve to think our memories are so short that we could forget the horrid things Trump said about Barack is astounding. We haven't forgotten. We will remember everything Trump has said to disparage so many good decent Americans when we enter the polling booth on November the 8th. We can't wait.
DD
Manhattan
Now we have a racist from Britain Nigel Farage coming to the States to a Trump rally of all places not to endorse Trump but to praise him and equate his campaign to the Brexit vote. How British of him. I imagine Trump values the words of Farage as he does of others who attempt to hide their racism behind economic policies.
They haven't fooled me. Their racist taunts against our beloved President Obama speaks volumes about where they stand when it comes to Race. That they have the nerve to think our memories are so short that we could forget the horrid things Trump said about Barack is astounding. We haven't forgotten. We will remember everything Trump has said to disparage so many good decent Americans when we enter the polling booth on November the 8th. We can't wait.
DD
Manhattan
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Trump has brought out the ugliest of America and laid bare for the world to see.
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What intrested me more in the Times this week was this article because I have an interest in politics and everything that has been occurring with the presidential elections. When I cam across this article red, bold letters that spell out TRUMP caught my attention. But what caught my interest was a poster that one of the audience members was holding, "Make America Great Again." I found it ironic because in my personal opinion, all Trump is saying about doing to America if he becomes president are things for which will be the destruction of our country. It will not make it any better it will only make it more dull than it is already. This article intrigued me, making me want to read it. But I didn't like this article cause half way through it, I just got bored of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/us/politics/donald-trump-black-voters....
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/us/politics/donald-trump-black-voters....
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Everything about this knucklehead, AND his knucklehead supporters, is offensive.
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The clash of cultures seems to engage even the most languid consumers.
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Trump is a hypocrite. The African American community distrust Trump completely. Remember Trump mad it his mission to demean and discredit our first African American president. perpetuating the lie that he was born in Kenya. They will never drink his kool aid.
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The Donald already knows it's a lost cause. He's only in it until Nov 8, so he can make as much money for himself until then.
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Trump talks about "helping' out we poor Blacks and the very next day goes to Mississippi and has Nigel Farage speaking at his rally. What a hypocritical lowlife Trump is. He just doesn't get what an ugly racist he is, and at 70 years old he's not about to.
Two months and counting. Can't wait to get rid of this demagogue. Those who support him will be left with egg on their faces and a lot of explaining to do to their children on how they could support such an ugly man as Trump. God help them.
DD
Manhattan
Two months and counting. Can't wait to get rid of this demagogue. Those who support him will be left with egg on their faces and a lot of explaining to do to their children on how they could support such an ugly man as Trump. God help them.
DD
Manhattan
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When Trump and other Republicans try to appeal to African-Americans by saying that the GOP is "the party of Lincoln," the response should be, "What have you done for us lately?" The Republican party has not been the party of Lincoln since Lincoln (with a brief interlude during Theodore Roosevelt's administration).
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I am offended by Egalitarians.
It's high time the white guys throwing the word "blacks," at the wall over and over, yelling about Al Sharpton, forgetting who's squatted atop Congress and many state governments over the last thirty years, getting the facts bizarrely twisted, and yawping about the "philosophy," and the "economics," and the "history," they don't understand and have no intention of understanding, tended to their own knitting.
They could work on:
1. Why white men like to shoot up classrooms, clinics, wildlife parks, and churches.
2. Why so many white men are on welfare, sitting on their duffs watching "Duck Dynasty", while good jobs go begging.
3. Why so many white guys who barely have a high school education support something like Trump.
4. Why so many white guys shoot themselves.
5. Why so many white guys do meth and heroin.
6. Why so many white guys think Crimea's some place in Iowa, the President's a moozlim, illegal immigration's worse than ever, a M-16 knockoff isn't an assault rifle, and we never landed on the moon.
And, since this is a place of writing, why y'all are so illiterate.
Seems to me that there's plenty room for you to get out there, improve yourself, help your own kind--after all, ain't you spozed to be superior?
Because you're sure not showing it.
They could work on:
1. Why white men like to shoot up classrooms, clinics, wildlife parks, and churches.
2. Why so many white men are on welfare, sitting on their duffs watching "Duck Dynasty", while good jobs go begging.
3. Why so many white guys who barely have a high school education support something like Trump.
4. Why so many white guys shoot themselves.
5. Why so many white guys do meth and heroin.
6. Why so many white guys think Crimea's some place in Iowa, the President's a moozlim, illegal immigration's worse than ever, a M-16 knockoff isn't an assault rifle, and we never landed on the moon.
And, since this is a place of writing, why y'all are so illiterate.
Seems to me that there's plenty room for you to get out there, improve yourself, help your own kind--after all, ain't you spozed to be superior?
Because you're sure not showing it.
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Perhaps renouncing the endorsements of the KKK, numerous white supremacists, and multiple white nationalist groups would convince "black America" of his sincerity towards them.
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Kind of like when all whites are accused of being racists or of having white privilege. These generalities can be so mistaken, right?
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Personally, I believe that the democrats have, in fact, relegated African Americans to continued prejudice, poverty and dependence on Government. Continued promises of change have not materialized and after billions of spending on school systems educational achievement for minorities has barely moved the dial. I could go on but for sure I will be pegged as a racist and thirty years from now another generation will be discussing the same issue.
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Dear J. Rose:
No, not a racist, but one who thinks like one, if you believe it is the Democrats who are to blame for Blacks not advancing as rapidly as we could have were it not for Republicans refusal to block legislation which might improve our lot in life.
Reagan began his '80 presidential campaign by going to the Deep South to make his first speech, talking in code about "states rights". Whites who cheered him are made of the same cloth as those who cheer Trump today. Republicans have been instrumental in obstructing Democrats from gaining meaningful legislation passed pertaining to civil rights. Republicans have been behind the curve in race, gender and now transgender rights since Dixiecrats left the party and became Republicans.
Whites want to return to the America of the 1950's, when they ruled with an enormous majority. That advantage is long gone and rapidly fading at a steady rate. And now they have become so desperate they have turned to a demagogue who in his desperation is trying to appeal to we Blacks who think we must suffer from short-term memory.
The racist tirades Trump has thrown at our beloved President Obama has not been forgotten. We remember all too well how scandalous Trump was in his comments about Barack. Now the tables are turned and he wants out vote? If this isn't sweet revenge for us. Give Trump our vote? It would be like voting for Bull Connor. Who's he? Google it.
Barack embraced Hillary, and so do we.
DD
Manhattan
No, not a racist, but one who thinks like one, if you believe it is the Democrats who are to blame for Blacks not advancing as rapidly as we could have were it not for Republicans refusal to block legislation which might improve our lot in life.
Reagan began his '80 presidential campaign by going to the Deep South to make his first speech, talking in code about "states rights". Whites who cheered him are made of the same cloth as those who cheer Trump today. Republicans have been instrumental in obstructing Democrats from gaining meaningful legislation passed pertaining to civil rights. Republicans have been behind the curve in race, gender and now transgender rights since Dixiecrats left the party and became Republicans.
Whites want to return to the America of the 1950's, when they ruled with an enormous majority. That advantage is long gone and rapidly fading at a steady rate. And now they have become so desperate they have turned to a demagogue who in his desperation is trying to appeal to we Blacks who think we must suffer from short-term memory.
The racist tirades Trump has thrown at our beloved President Obama has not been forgotten. We remember all too well how scandalous Trump was in his comments about Barack. Now the tables are turned and he wants out vote? If this isn't sweet revenge for us. Give Trump our vote? It would be like voting for Bull Connor. Who's he? Google it.
Barack embraced Hillary, and so do we.
DD
Manhattan
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It has moved the dial plenty. Peoplet are focusing particularly on the negatives for this particular article.
Are you completely blind to the educated and working blacks around you, or it us easier to ignore their existence to maintain your worldview ?
Are you completely blind to the educated and working blacks around you, or it us easier to ignore their existence to maintain your worldview ?
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How does the Ultra-Right Christians, Jewish Sheldon Adelson, and the National Socialist Movement (KKK) and Russian President Vladimir Putin all come together to support, women hating, racist, narcissistic, sociopathic, Donald Trump and GOP? It kind of reminds me of a clip from Ghost Busters:
Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "Biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!
Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "Biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!
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There's NOTHING socialist about the KKK. It would be wonderful if these ignoramuses actually knew the definitions of the words they employ. Maybe they just can't read.
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By Trump openly discussing his willingness to use nuclear weapons, to be flippant about their use, it allows the conversations to equally go to our enemies that either have nuclear capabilities or our enemies without nuclear weapons who will do what is necessary to acquire a nuclear weapon. They too can begin the thought process of "hey, let's just use nuclear weapons". From that thought process, you only have to worry about who draws first blood. Nuclear weapons do not have to be ICBMs, they can be tactical. You can drive them up to the attack site in a car trunk. The twin towers will look like toy bowling pins falling compared to a nuclear explosion in a city the size of NY.
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We are fully aware of their destructive power, being the first country who has chosen to use them.
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Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits. Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets and wage labor. In a capitalist economy, the parties to a transaction typically determine the prices at which assets, goods, and services are exchanged. The degree of competition, role of intervention and regulation, and scope of public ownership varies across different models of capitalism.
Crony capitalism is a state of affairs in which insider corruption, nepotism and cartels dominate the system.
Pure Capitalism: Think Somalia. Government owns virtually nothing and everything is owned by private companies.
If men were angels, no government would be necessary.
James Madison
Crony capitalism is a state of affairs in which insider corruption, nepotism and cartels dominate the system.
Pure Capitalism: Think Somalia. Government owns virtually nothing and everything is owned by private companies.
If men were angels, no government would be necessary.
James Madison
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Republicans are the proof that "men" are not angels.
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Post Brexit, I fervently hoped that the likes of Nigel Farage, having achieved his long-sought goal, would quietly fade into the background chatter. Not obscurity - that would be asking too much - but at least a setting in which his opinion isn't sought with any regularity, and his perspective is given little consideration.
Alas, Farage is not only still around to spew his bile - he's here to do so on Trump's behalf. Quite a match made in...well. You know.
Alas, Farage is not only still around to spew his bile - he's here to do so on Trump's behalf. Quite a match made in...well. You know.
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You can always find guys like that; just keep turning over the slimier rocks.
And hate to quote Rachel Maddow, but she did point out that it was somewhat ironic to hear Trump giving a speech about America from Jackson, Mississippi, with a secessionist at his side.
And hate to quote Rachel Maddow, but she did point out that it was somewhat ironic to hear Trump giving a speech about America from Jackson, Mississippi, with a secessionist at his side.
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"Poverty is far more prevalent in black households than the general population, but the vast majority of African-Americans do not live in poverty. According to census data released last year, 26 percent of blacks live in poverty, compared with 15 percent of the country as a whole. Only about one out of every four households receiving food stamps in 2014 was black, according to the United States Department of Agriculture."
Misleading statistics
1. 26% of blacks living in poverty should not be compared to 15% of country as a whole because blacks are part of that whole statistic. You need to back out the blacks living in poverty from the 15% statistic toy get a true comparison.
2. The "only one in four families receiving food stamps in 2014 was black" statistic again intends to mislead. It sounds like only 25% of black families receive food stamps. Of course that is incorrect. Blacks only make up 13% of the population therefore their food stamp participation rate is closer to 75% as black families a much more troubling number
Please use statistics to inform not to deceive.
Misleading statistics
1. 26% of blacks living in poverty should not be compared to 15% of country as a whole because blacks are part of that whole statistic. You need to back out the blacks living in poverty from the 15% statistic toy get a true comparison.
2. The "only one in four families receiving food stamps in 2014 was black" statistic again intends to mislead. It sounds like only 25% of black families receive food stamps. Of course that is incorrect. Blacks only make up 13% of the population therefore their food stamp participation rate is closer to 75% as black families a much more troubling number
Please use statistics to inform not to deceive.
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"one in four people receiving food stamps is black" means just that. I don't know through what faulty logic you reached the conclusion that its actually 3 out of 4.
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However you do the arithmetic, the figure is far closer to 26% than 75%. Say, for instance, the population of the US is 321 million. 13% of that will be about 42 million. 15% of it will be about 48 million. 25% of the 48 million will be about 12 million which will be the number of black people living in poverty. 12 million out of 42 million will be about 29% which is much closer to 26% than 75%. It never hurts to be able to do simple arithmetic.
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Republicans don't know simple math.
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What have democrats done for minorities other than allow transgenders in each other's bathrooms?
Republicans want school choice. Democrats demand that kids stay trapped in failing and dangerous schools to prevent them from stepping outside their crime infested voting block neighborhoods. More minorities today are on public assistance than before Obama became President.
Trump shows consistently higher ability to improve job availability. It's laughable when Hillary tries to do this because on one hand she says current conditions are great, but in the next breath says "we need more opportunities". So which is it Hillary? Your White House idol who's keeping your butt out of jail says we have no problem with employment figures.
By the way, NYT, why no news about Hillary's donor buddies getting State Dept favors? If Trump drops a gun wrapper he's public enemy #1. NYT readers give zero leeway to Trump for "appearances" of media invented impropriety. But the Clinton's can lie, lie, lie, be corrupt as can be and NYT readers give them miles of leeway and benefit of doubt.
All Hillary does is lie and pander. Lucky for her she has enough blind followers who'd elect Idi Amin if he ran on the Democrat ticket.
Republicans want school choice. Democrats demand that kids stay trapped in failing and dangerous schools to prevent them from stepping outside their crime infested voting block neighborhoods. More minorities today are on public assistance than before Obama became President.
Trump shows consistently higher ability to improve job availability. It's laughable when Hillary tries to do this because on one hand she says current conditions are great, but in the next breath says "we need more opportunities". So which is it Hillary? Your White House idol who's keeping your butt out of jail says we have no problem with employment figures.
By the way, NYT, why no news about Hillary's donor buddies getting State Dept favors? If Trump drops a gun wrapper he's public enemy #1. NYT readers give zero leeway to Trump for "appearances" of media invented impropriety. But the Clinton's can lie, lie, lie, be corrupt as can be and NYT readers give them miles of leeway and benefit of doubt.
All Hillary does is lie and pander. Lucky for her she has enough blind followers who'd elect Idi Amin if he ran on the Democrat ticket.
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@IVY: Ur'e very funny. Suspect you are a professional writer and perhaps also a journalist. Everything you have written is true, and "many a truth is said in jest,"as Shakespeare pointed out in one of his plays.Perhaps you should apply as an occasional contributor to the opinion section. Some of the articles r as boring as stones. Look forward to reading more of your blurbs.
You do know, yes, that you just suggested black people were cannibals.
Democrats were the driving force in letting blacks vote, attend integrated schools, swim in integrated swimming pools, drink from integrated water fountains, eat at integrated restaurants, stay at intgrated hotels/motels, live in integrated neighborhoods...
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It makes you wonder just who Mr. Trump encounters in his Trump Tower or his private jets. Everyday when I go out shopping, to work, or run errands, I encounter many African Americans. They are my neighbors, my colleagues, my students, and members of my community. They come from different income brackets and educational backgrounds, just like white people and others whom I encounter on a daily basis.
This sounds suspiciously like the NRA's Wayne LaPierre after Sandy when he said about south Brooklyn, "And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all." Half of the looting cases in Brooklyn and Queens were tossed out of court, and only 7 out of 22 in Brooklyn were prosecuted. Many people were just trying to charge their cell phones or help their families. Unsurprisingly, some of the Brooklyn looting scenes were mistakenly described by Alex Jones website as mobs, etc. According to other reports, the community pulled together and helped each other out.
As the old quotation goes, "Two men looked through prison bars. One saw mud, the other stars." In Trumplandia, there are war zones anywhere there are black people. Or Muslims. Or immigrants. Or (fill in the blank of which American group you want to demonize).
This sounds suspiciously like the NRA's Wayne LaPierre after Sandy when he said about south Brooklyn, "And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all." Half of the looting cases in Brooklyn and Queens were tossed out of court, and only 7 out of 22 in Brooklyn were prosecuted. Many people were just trying to charge their cell phones or help their families. Unsurprisingly, some of the Brooklyn looting scenes were mistakenly described by Alex Jones website as mobs, etc. According to other reports, the community pulled together and helped each other out.
As the old quotation goes, "Two men looked through prison bars. One saw mud, the other stars." In Trumplandia, there are war zones anywhere there are black people. Or Muslims. Or immigrants. Or (fill in the blank of which American group you want to demonize).
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It really is good to know that the Donald Trump version of Black America is patently wrong. Unfortunately it is the same version that the New York Times pushes on its readers. Whether it is a riot in Milwakee or protests and riots in Ferguson, the Times is right there discussing oppression and the corosive effect it is having on the Black community and how it has pushed it to desperation. Let's hope Mr. Trump and the New York Times both do some fact checking in the future. Both entities seem like they want to incite a race war that no American wants. Let's hope they both tune down the rheteric and stick to the facts.
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I can easily imagine your sending this note to, say, the "Volkischer Beobachter," around 1935, complaining that the Party and their last Jewish columnist both needed to take it down a notch, for the good of the vaterland.
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This is just partisan politics. Trump has simply taken what Democrats have claimed for decades, the plight of the black person, and turned it around. You can say what you want about Trump, but it's a fair point. Democrats own the black lifestyle of today. They created the welfare state and are the landlords of the inner city ghettos and barrios that exist. Blaming this on Republicans is silly. Sure, that party has its own issues, but Democrats repeatedly pander for the black vote and they've won it. What they have done with it when they are in power is nothing. They expand handouts and really do not offer much to raise poor people beyond their current socioeconomic level. It's all about stringing them along and milking that vote.
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..and where's the criticism of when Joe Biden addressed a black audience in a fakey southern voice, "they gonna put y'all in chains"?
In Chicago so far this year, there have been 460 homicides, most have been black victims, and most will go unsolved. Is Trump really off the mark when he mentions the crappy neighborhoods, failing schools and high crime in many urban areas? People living on the south and west sides of Chicago don't think so.
Democrats work to perpetuate the ghetto traps to localize their huge voting blocks. They hate school choice. They need generations of kids trapped in abysmal schools so they don't dare move out of the hood. Please name just one anti-poverty program that has worked. By working, I mean getting people OUT of poverty, not adding TO the program.
For democrats to think of themselves as any kind of saviors for the impoverished communities to aspire to self-sufficiency is pure fantasy.
Trump wants school choice for all families, for starters. No wonder democrats hate him. They need the garbage schools to act as roach motels.
In Chicago so far this year, there have been 460 homicides, most have been black victims, and most will go unsolved. Is Trump really off the mark when he mentions the crappy neighborhoods, failing schools and high crime in many urban areas? People living on the south and west sides of Chicago don't think so.
Democrats work to perpetuate the ghetto traps to localize their huge voting blocks. They hate school choice. They need generations of kids trapped in abysmal schools so they don't dare move out of the hood. Please name just one anti-poverty program that has worked. By working, I mean getting people OUT of poverty, not adding TO the program.
For democrats to think of themselves as any kind of saviors for the impoverished communities to aspire to self-sufficiency is pure fantasy.
Trump wants school choice for all families, for starters. No wonder democrats hate him. They need the garbage schools to act as roach motels.
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Biden WAS criticized, and rightly so.
But I notice you left that out, sir.
But I notice you left that out, sir.
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If you want ideas about education, you wanted Bernie Sanders. Certainly not Donald Trump. But you hang in there and enjoy voting! You'll be part of the 9% that backs this wingnut.
Trump University is Donald's idea of education. He'd actually steal the kids' lunch money if he could.
Trump University is Donald's idea of education. He'd actually steal the kids' lunch money if he could.
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Anti-poverty programs that have worked are social security, medicaid, medicare, college aid plans, military pensions, the WPA, congressional appropriations for pet projects in the congressman's state, corporate tax breaks (welfare for the rich), maintaining monopolies for pharmaceutical companies, deluxe health benefits for congressmen, and we could go on...
You're probably using one right now and don't even know it. Let's start with the myriad deductions on your income tax filing.
Poor thing.
You're probably using one right now and don't even know it. Let's start with the myriad deductions on your income tax filing.
Poor thing.
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I can't think of anyone with a greater disconnect to the average life of any person of color--any color--than Donald Trump.
I only hope that everyone who can vote sends a message to this clown. That he is not who this country is. That he can not be the voice of our nation. That this is not who we are or wish to be.
To remind everyone of Donald Trump's almost complete and total ignorance, it's always better to let him speak for himself. To quote Donald Trump,
“There’s no such thing as racism anymore. We’ve had a black president so it’s not a question anymore. Are they saying black lives should matter more than white lives or Asian lives? If black lives matter, then go back to Africa? We’ll see how much they matter there.”
He is grotesquely ignorant--in layers. So in answer to his idiotic query, "What have you got to lose?"
Intelligence. Decency. Class. Equality. Hope. Safety. In essence: EVERYTHING.
I only hope that everyone who can vote sends a message to this clown. That he is not who this country is. That he can not be the voice of our nation. That this is not who we are or wish to be.
To remind everyone of Donald Trump's almost complete and total ignorance, it's always better to let him speak for himself. To quote Donald Trump,
“There’s no such thing as racism anymore. We’ve had a black president so it’s not a question anymore. Are they saying black lives should matter more than white lives or Asian lives? If black lives matter, then go back to Africa? We’ll see how much they matter there.”
He is grotesquely ignorant--in layers. So in answer to his idiotic query, "What have you got to lose?"
Intelligence. Decency. Class. Equality. Hope. Safety. In essence: EVERYTHING.
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@mj can't think of anyone with a greater disconnect to the average life of any person of color.
I can.
Her name is Hillary Clinton.
I can.
Her name is Hillary Clinton.
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What a lovely party it must be with you, Clarence, Ben, Thomas and the other misunderstood Black Republicans just waiting for your nemesis Obama to leave office so some sanity can be restored. You have lots of hate for Obama but say nothing about the Senate/Congress which does nothing on a daily basis - interesting.
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I see we're not looking much at the people on the stage and in the crowds around these candidates, are we.
Hey, how'd Trumpy's big outreach go today? You know...the one he had in his conference room atop Trump Tower, with the kids they shipped in from Republican summer camp plus Ben Carson?
Hey, how'd Trumpy's big outreach go today? You know...the one he had in his conference room atop Trump Tower, with the kids they shipped in from Republican summer camp plus Ben Carson?
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The truth hurts. What? You can't stand the truth? Facts are FACTS folks. The sooner you deal with it the sooner things change.
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By that you mean Donald Trump is a racist how has brought the republican party down and is unfit to be President?
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"What have you got to lose?" Good question. A Justice Department that does even less about civil rights protection. Further erosion of voting rights ala Republican state legislature moves in the past few years. No upward push on the minimum wage. Legitimizing racist hooliganism. Removed pressure on minimum sentence and other criminal law reform. A pre-Warren Supreme Court. Just off the top of my head.
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Richard Linquanti - Under Democratic control you can have everything you want and need. Just look at Detroit, Chicago, LA, Camden, Newark, Paterson decades of Democratic control and look how great the citizens have it!
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Look, you can't have it both ways. You can't have constant complaints about "too much" government and then complain that the government isn't doing anything for them As far as I know, Republican administrations have been in power more years than Democrats in the last 76 years. The Democrats have fought for Civil Rights, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, voting rights, reproductive rights, gay rights, increase in minimal wages, extension for unemployment compensation, cleaner air and water. Evidently, it isn't enough to offset centuries of discrimination and exclusions, but at least they are trying. What have you done?
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Frank - "Look, you can't have it both ways."
You're right Frank you can't have it both ways. Destructive government is much worse than less government and in the cities I mentioned above it has been Democratic destructive government that reduced them to what they are today.
The rich got richer and the poor are still poor. Who are you going to believe the Democrats or your lying eyes? Perhaps you should look first!
You're right Frank you can't have it both ways. Destructive government is much worse than less government and in the cities I mentioned above it has been Democratic destructive government that reduced them to what they are today.
The rich got richer and the poor are still poor. Who are you going to believe the Democrats or your lying eyes? Perhaps you should look first!
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There seems to be a chorus of clueless people in the comments who don't understand how blacks can have a worse plight than whites in America and also not all be living in a poverty-stricken hellscape? Is this really so hard to understand?
The problem is, many seem to think that blacks are unable to lift themselves up (likely because they are 'too lazy' or somesuch nonsense). What this article shows is that blacks are already doing that. They don't need to rely on a snake-oil salesman like Trump.
The complaints you hear from blacks and the so-called 'liberal media' many of you complain about come from the still fewer opportunities than many black Americans enjoy, even as they pull themselves up. It comes from wealthy black men who are still constantly harassed by police for driving expensive cars (because they must have stolen them, right?). It comes from study after study that shows how people with 'ethnic-sounding' names on a resume are routinely passed over for job interviews, or how blacks still suffer discrimination when it comes to housing and bank loans.
If you still don't get it, you should ask an actual black person to explain it to you (if you are actually interested in learning instead of lecturing).
Bottom line: Racism exists and it is clear. But that doesn't mean blacks haven't been fighting against it.
The problem is, many seem to think that blacks are unable to lift themselves up (likely because they are 'too lazy' or somesuch nonsense). What this article shows is that blacks are already doing that. They don't need to rely on a snake-oil salesman like Trump.
The complaints you hear from blacks and the so-called 'liberal media' many of you complain about come from the still fewer opportunities than many black Americans enjoy, even as they pull themselves up. It comes from wealthy black men who are still constantly harassed by police for driving expensive cars (because they must have stolen them, right?). It comes from study after study that shows how people with 'ethnic-sounding' names on a resume are routinely passed over for job interviews, or how blacks still suffer discrimination when it comes to housing and bank loans.
If you still don't get it, you should ask an actual black person to explain it to you (if you are actually interested in learning instead of lecturing).
Bottom line: Racism exists and it is clear. But that doesn't mean blacks haven't been fighting against it.
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Hillary is Marie Antoinette, and her precious foundation is her diamond necklace. She and Bill eat cake on Martha's Vineyard oblivious of the coming Revolution. They are so blind in their gilt cocoon.
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One has to adore the mindlessness of making this your response to Trumpy's bizarre view of America.
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Trump isnt even bothering with Cake.
He is offering Hot Air. Come and Git It.
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And what do you think billionaire Donald Trump is eating? This is a man with 24 k gold-plated bathrooms in his $100 million penthouse, a gold-plated Boeing, etc. He is the essence of tacky nouveau riche. All of those Trump steaks (one of his many bankrupted companies) worked out for his con jobs.
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It does not matter what HRC or Trump does or did any more. HRC's negativities cannot trump Trump's.
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Hillary's SO outweigh Trump's, it's not even close. She barely makes sense anymore, and her endless flip flops, and perhaps the worst judgment of any Secretary of State, let alone presidential candidate in history.
She is an insult to the Democratic Party.
She is an insult to the Democratic Party.
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Spoken like a true Republican!
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As other's have said, Trump is not actually "reaching out" to blacks. He is talking to his base which are primarily the "losers" in white America (to use a Trumpist figure of speach). Sadly, a lot of these white folks have a psychological need to feel that, however messed up their lives are, there is a group that is (inherently) more messed up than they are.
By describing the black world to be full of unemployment, violence, and drugs Trump is playing into the world view of his core supports... So they can say to themselves.... My life and community is totally messed up but at least I ain't black.
By describing the black world to be full of unemployment, violence, and drugs Trump is playing into the world view of his core supports... So they can say to themselves.... My life and community is totally messed up but at least I ain't black.
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It is far better to their ears than to hear the message directed at low income blacks: you have no one to blame but yourselves for economic hardships and social problems.
However, plenty of whites are suffering. But in their case it is only because of bad trade deals, immigrants, layoffs and factory closures, etc... Whatever they do, crime, drugs, they are not at fault in any way.
This is the story line in play.
In reality both groups probably would have been far better off aligning with Bernie's platform. Heaven forbid they should join forces; both political parties play divide and conquer and make sure that they despise each other from one election cycle to the next.
And.. they are the groups most likely to vote against their own interests.
The story goes on....
However, plenty of whites are suffering. But in their case it is only because of bad trade deals, immigrants, layoffs and factory closures, etc... Whatever they do, crime, drugs, they are not at fault in any way.
This is the story line in play.
In reality both groups probably would have been far better off aligning with Bernie's platform. Heaven forbid they should join forces; both political parties play divide and conquer and make sure that they despise each other from one election cycle to the next.
And.. they are the groups most likely to vote against their own interests.
The story goes on....
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Americans should be concerned that Trump has stumped with Nigel 'Brexit' Farage, a British fascist throwback to Oswald Mosely and his blackshirts, and a political coward of the lowest order.
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With each passing day, as the presidential campaign kicks into gear for its final stretch, the clock is ticking. Over the next two months we will be witness to the rise and fall of a true demagogue.
No Republicans, it's not Hillary, and you know it. The GOP created this Monster and now they will watch its demise, and hopefully, see their chances of capturing the White House in the near future slowly fade into the rear-view mirror of history.
Where did Republicans go so awfully wrong? Trump is the result of decades of Reagan mythologizing, with each passing decade a tact to the Right so that now the GOP would be unrecognizable to Reagan, as it was to his wife Nancy, the Bushes, McCain, Romney, and a host of Republicans who had previously led the party.
They can't fathom what their party has turned into, for its rank and file to produce such an unacceptable candidate as its nominee for the highest office in the land.
On November 9th, there is going to be a lot of head scratching going on in what's left of the GOP. Are they going to continue their downward spiral and go with the oleaginous Cruz in 2020, or are they going to finally come to their senses and realize if they proceed on the path they're currently on they are all but finished as a viable alternative to the Democrats.
The decisions they make post-Trump debacle will be crucial to their future.
DD
Manhattan
No Republicans, it's not Hillary, and you know it. The GOP created this Monster and now they will watch its demise, and hopefully, see their chances of capturing the White House in the near future slowly fade into the rear-view mirror of history.
Where did Republicans go so awfully wrong? Trump is the result of decades of Reagan mythologizing, with each passing decade a tact to the Right so that now the GOP would be unrecognizable to Reagan, as it was to his wife Nancy, the Bushes, McCain, Romney, and a host of Republicans who had previously led the party.
They can't fathom what their party has turned into, for its rank and file to produce such an unacceptable candidate as its nominee for the highest office in the land.
On November 9th, there is going to be a lot of head scratching going on in what's left of the GOP. Are they going to continue their downward spiral and go with the oleaginous Cruz in 2020, or are they going to finally come to their senses and realize if they proceed on the path they're currently on they are all but finished as a viable alternative to the Democrats.
The decisions they make post-Trump debacle will be crucial to their future.
DD
Manhattan
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I am struck by the contrast of images of Trump sitting around a luxurious Trump Tower meeting room surrounded by minorities he is "reaching out to" versus images of Clinton stumping on the ground in among many voters in various communities. His masterful, subliminal message seems to be "Look what I have...this could be yours too." Imagery is a very powerful tool, and he knows that better than most. He continues to underestimate many of us who don't live inside his bubble.
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Nearly 3 weeks ago, after work, when I was working as a volunteer, driving a van around downtown Washington DC giving homeless people rides to local shelters, I was struck by the motorcades and gridlock.
Barack Obama was having an all star, celebrity birthday party. Realizing my van was in front of a car carrying Ellen DeGeneres, I honked my horn and waved. The homeless Black man in the back jumped, startled by the horn and asked me if everything was alright.
Just another day in the Obama celebrity presidency.
Barack Obama was having an all star, celebrity birthday party. Realizing my van was in front of a car carrying Ellen DeGeneres, I honked my horn and waved. The homeless Black man in the back jumped, startled by the horn and asked me if everything was alright.
Just another day in the Obama celebrity presidency.
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Funny, but I was struck by the contrast between Hillary celebrating Bill's birthday on Martha's Vineyard and then attending a fundraiser held by Justin Timberlake in LA and the flood disaster scene in Baton Rouge. She still hasn't managed to get there. Louisiana's not a swing state, you know, so she just can't be bothered.
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I wonder... did Ellen help a homeless person that day? Or did she just spread exhaust to the cake eaters?
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I'd bet if the 3 blind authors of this piece, interviewed legal Black immigrants, Trump would take a majority of the vote. Cause legal immigrants (Black, White, Asian, Brown, and Green) see the greatness in the USA and the opportunity for advancement. So it is not Black, or some hyped color problem, it is the vision from inside the head looking out. Just saying.
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ahem... i don't think so.
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I doubt that Trump is a racist; the only color, creed or ethnicity he cares about is the color green, mammon, and the perpetuation of a society that cares only about the buck. This guy is smart, and was well tutored by Roy Cohn, Senator Joe McCarthy's chief strategist.
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Mr. Trump didn't learn much for his tutors. Both of the men you mention died young, miserable and discredited, perhaps "reviled" is the better word. I'm not sure that's where I'd get my inspiration and strategy from.
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Trump has been cashing in on his loser appeal from the start and a large part of the strategy is to convince people they’re losers being taken advantage of.
What his fans fail to realize is that, if Donald were a tenth as shrewd a businessman as he pretends to be, he wouldn’t have to steal from losers to support an extravagant lifestyle he relies on to con more fools into paying for his extravagant lifestyle.
The difference is that, in the past, he cheated investors, bankers, contractors, employees, gamblers, businessmen, lawyers, and would-be “students” who were easy marks. If he wins, the losers who voted him in will get fleeced along with the people who saw through his flimflam.
What his fans fail to realize is that, if Donald were a tenth as shrewd a businessman as he pretends to be, he wouldn’t have to steal from losers to support an extravagant lifestyle he relies on to con more fools into paying for his extravagant lifestyle.
The difference is that, in the past, he cheated investors, bankers, contractors, employees, gamblers, businessmen, lawyers, and would-be “students” who were easy marks. If he wins, the losers who voted him in will get fleeced along with the people who saw through his flimflam.
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Like most demagogues Trump picks up thought fragments and runs with it to see what kind response he can get. He is not interested in how African Americans respond. He's interested in how this will play with White People.
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> Trump picks up thought fragments and runs with it to see what kind response he can get.
Anti-ideological Pragmatism, taught by "Progressive" professors.
Anti-ideological Pragmatism, taught by "Progressive" professors.
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Interesting view, Stephen.
So you're advocating no Professors now?
So you're advocating no Professors now?
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This is the sort of vitriol that gets us nowhere. Not what Trump says, Trump will always be Trump, but what is happening in America today is that we are ending up in a situation where we can no longer talk about anything unless you are part of that specific group. What is even worst is that when we have people of the same group speaking about these issues, but from a different perspective, they get shun as if they are at the fringes of society. When you do this we never get to fixing problems. This is happening for African Americans, for Muslims, for women, for LGTBQ people. How do we come back to the table and hear each other instead of talking past each other? I believe the media has a lot of blame for this and even worst is that many of these places have been taken over by "righteous" people who think they are not bigots when they push people out who don't agree with them, but what is a bigot if it isn't this? This is the reason why America is broken today and listening to a podcast from Dan Carlin, I would agree with him that our country may implode on itself because we can no longer seem to stand each other.
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> we can no longer talk about anything unless you are part of that specific group
Philosophy is the study of common human experience.
Philosophy is the study of common human experience.
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Way to miss the point, Stephen. Good job there.
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We can certainly question both the knowledge and authenticity of the messenger, but It would be worth knowing what % Mr. Williams means by the word "some". If it is greater than 0 (and certainly if it is disproportionate)--isn't it worth getting to the actual numbers rather than just batting about anecdotes?
I heard an interesting discussion on C-Span Radio involving several African-American political commentators. They were mulling over the efficacy of voting for Democrats for 50 years without clear proof in results. So, as usual Trump, is likely talking about something he half-listened to others discussing.
Clearly, the death toll in Chicago and the current situation of Detroit alone suggest it is worth looking closely at our urban poverty--regardless of the demographic caught in it.
I heard an interesting discussion on C-Span Radio involving several African-American political commentators. They were mulling over the efficacy of voting for Democrats for 50 years without clear proof in results. So, as usual Trump, is likely talking about something he half-listened to others discussing.
Clearly, the death toll in Chicago and the current situation of Detroit alone suggest it is worth looking closely at our urban poverty--regardless of the demographic caught in it.
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DC: probably best not to bring daughters into the fray. Donald is enamored of his own kid in a distinctly creepy way.
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What's the matter DC Barrister, never smoked pot at a beach party? That explains a lot.
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Yea....he should have rushed to Louisiana to hand out .......play D'oh for 49 seconds like Trump, right DCB?
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It makes me so sad to see a group of people painted with such a broad brush. I lost several ancestors in the Holocaust and still hear the same generalizations today about Jews that were made in 1930s Germany.
Working in public health, we know some interesting things. For example, highly educated upper middle-class black women have a higher percentage of premature infants, and a higher incidence of high blood pressure, than white and other minority counterparts. And I do mean EQUAL counterparts -- similar age, eating habits, exercise habits, etc.
Interestingly, highly educated upper middle-class blacks that immigrate as adults from the African continent do not initially reflect these statistics. The stats “catch up” to them after they have been here five years.
Scientific research points to the incremental pressure of both overt and covert racism that these women experience every day in America. After all, even Oprah -- unrecognized in a high-end store -- was once accused of stealing a purse amid a complete lack of evidence, other than being black.
While it may be true that government policy has failed poorer black communities, and that America needs a new model -- it is also true that black people experience life in America differently than most others, including other minorities.
Working in public health, we know some interesting things. For example, highly educated upper middle-class black women have a higher percentage of premature infants, and a higher incidence of high blood pressure, than white and other minority counterparts. And I do mean EQUAL counterparts -- similar age, eating habits, exercise habits, etc.
Interestingly, highly educated upper middle-class blacks that immigrate as adults from the African continent do not initially reflect these statistics. The stats “catch up” to them after they have been here five years.
Scientific research points to the incremental pressure of both overt and covert racism that these women experience every day in America. After all, even Oprah -- unrecognized in a high-end store -- was once accused of stealing a purse amid a complete lack of evidence, other than being black.
While it may be true that government policy has failed poorer black communities, and that America needs a new model -- it is also true that black people experience life in America differently than most others, including other minorities.
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Loran's story was debunked by the shop assistant who waited on her. You cite something as if it were fact and yet it is a debatable accusation and does not meet the 'fact' level. We also have made the word 'racism' so broad as to be meaningless and essentially it has become a slur rather than containing any other specific info. It is the equivalent of 'communist' in the McCarthy era.
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> While it may be true that government policy has failed poorer black communities, and that America needs a new model
So youre for Trump? #<{
So youre for Trump? #<{
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“You’re living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed — what the hell do you have to lose?”
So Trump recognizes and points out the plight of many blacks, and they are 'offended' by what he said??? They accuse Trump of playing to the white votes when he talks about the problems of the majority of the black community. That is plain ignorance. So the Trump-bashing liberals go out and find one or two blacks who have taken responsibility for their lives and getting an education, working at good-paying jobs, and avoiding the ghetto, and talk about how offended they are that Trump mentioned the living conditions of most of the black community.
So Trump recognizes and points out the plight of many blacks, and they are 'offended' by what he said??? They accuse Trump of playing to the white votes when he talks about the problems of the majority of the black community. That is plain ignorance. So the Trump-bashing liberals go out and find one or two blacks who have taken responsibility for their lives and getting an education, working at good-paying jobs, and avoiding the ghetto, and talk about how offended they are that Trump mentioned the living conditions of most of the black community.
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Trump's factoid of "58%" is dead wrong. It is lower than 20%. So Trump is a liar or a fool. In any case, out to sell the rubes a tube of snake oil. i am not buying.
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To talk to black people, you first have to go to where there are at. Has Trump visited any neighborhoods, churches or other places or is he talking to a primarily White audience?
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"the living conditions of most of the black community"? You know not of what you speak. It's true that Black poverty is concentrated in cities. But only 25% of Black Americans live in poverty! The rest fit your definition of taking "responsibility for their lives and getting an education, working at good-paying jobs," Because of still-existing housing discrimination, loan redlining and steering, many Blacks Americans still live in de facto segregated communities. But these are towns and neighborhoods just like all the others in this country.
Your belief about the nature of Black communities in America is a stereotype that you have apparently never bothered to examine. Investigate the truth about how most Black Americans live. They are your equals, even if they don't live next to you.
You might also examine your beliefs about poverty. There are more white children living in poverty than there are of any other ethnic group. Most of them, however, live in more rural areas, as opposed to cities, so you can't "see" them as easily in the media. Poverty and community-devastating drug use is destroying Americans regardless of race.
Your belief about the nature of Black communities in America is a stereotype that you have apparently never bothered to examine. Investigate the truth about how most Black Americans live. They are your equals, even if they don't live next to you.
You might also examine your beliefs about poverty. There are more white children living in poverty than there are of any other ethnic group. Most of them, however, live in more rural areas, as opposed to cities, so you can't "see" them as easily in the media. Poverty and community-devastating drug use is destroying Americans regardless of race.
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I wonder if Trump would encourage a push for more black and Latino voter registration, to demonstrate his sincerity at gaining their support?
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Any one who isn't registered to vote by now has only him/herself to blame. Do functioning adults require helicopter parenting too now?
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Yea....those pesky laws that block and make it hard to even Register don't have any effect, right Lynn?
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/21/republicans-rig-2016-election-blo...
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/21/republicans-rig-2016-election-blo...
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The GOP has spent the past four decades deliberately driving a wedge between their party and black people, with full knowledge and intent of attracting white people -- especially in the south. Now comes the logical result of all that in the form of Trump -- belching out the bilge that his party has tried to sweeten in metaphor. Blacks have watched this, shaking our heads in awed disgust, even sitting back as Trump (to the silence of establishment Repubs) made every possible attempt to suggest that the first black President of the USA illegitimately holds the office, and is not smart enough to do so ("show us your transcripts"). So suddenly, a few bigoted assessments of blackness, and one or two appearances among black people will be sufficient to erase it all? Only a 50-state wipe-out will suffice.
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It's democrats who push identity politics on us and have claimed a "War on ..." for every identity group They have sliced and diced us based in their identity demographics. Talk about divisive.
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It was the pointy white hoods and the fiery crosses that did it, wasn't it? Or was it the armed takeovers and shootings in health clinics, the bombings of Federal buildings and a day care center, the mass shooting in the grade school and the church?
Well, then, I see your point. After all...hey, wait a minute.
That was right-wing nutbars who did that.
Well, then, I see your point. After all...hey, wait a minute.
That was right-wing nutbars who did that.
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Is this a news article or an opinion piece?
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"Look the other way", there's NOTHING to see here".
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I am an educated black man – Masters’ Degree behind me. My children are educated with their four year degrees behind them as well. We don’t live in the abject poverty as Donald Trump described in his invective act of bigotry before a predominately white audience last week.
Trump’s attempt to court the black vote is indeed met with incredulity because the broad view he ascribes as the plight of black people is woefully inaccurate and shows just how much he lacks connection with black people.
Want my vote, Donald? I don’t think so!
Trump’s attempt to court the black vote is indeed met with incredulity because the broad view he ascribes as the plight of black people is woefully inaccurate and shows just how much he lacks connection with black people.
Want my vote, Donald? I don’t think so!
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They are trying to pretend people like you don't exist. Or are so rare as to be irrelevant.
Educated, Working black people are truly invisible to some folks.
Educated, Working black people are truly invisible to some folks.
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Trump lives in his tower - literally. He watches TV and it seems he has taken parts of the Black Lives Matter argument for his own - in a twisted and perverse way.
He hears only part of the Black Lives Matter argument which to his ears must be a cacophony. He heard that life is dangerous and bad. And that is true but not the whole truth.
Hillary has better advisors so she doesn't make the same errors.
He hears only part of the Black Lives Matter argument which to his ears must be a cacophony. He heard that life is dangerous and bad. And that is true but not the whole truth.
Hillary has better advisors so she doesn't make the same errors.
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Yep, Hillary's advisors only let her be "extremely careless". Which brings up an interesting question: None of the geniuses around her told her, "Hey Hill, I think this is illegal"?
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I recently got a Twitter account to see first-hand what Trump and his followers are saying. Until this week, he's been all obnoxious and hateful, all the time. Many of his followers tweet truly frightening things. The "new" and improved Trump, just a few hours ago, tweeted: "So many in the African-American community are doing so badly, poverty and crime way up, employment and jobs way down: I will fix it, promise." He clearly has very few African-American Twitter followers but expects that his new, "compassionate" self will continue to be publicized in broader channels and that minorities in general may be fool enough to believe his words, lock, stock and barrel...
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I find it ironic that in discussing Mr Trump, who mocks "PC", we have to use euphemistic terms like "white nationalist" and "alt right" instead of something more blunt.
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you can never wake up a person who is pretending to sleep......
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Somewhere you messed up what was probably a great saying,..horribly I might add.
Psst, a person "Pretending" to be sleep is awake.
Psst, a person "Pretending" to be sleep is awake.
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Trump and his campaign staff are going to work like crazy in the next several weeks to convince people of color that he's the man for them.
A doubling of his support among black Americans would be a huge accomplishment, by any measure.
In other words, 2 percent instead of 1 percent.
A doubling of his support among black Americans would be a huge accomplishment, by any measure.
In other words, 2 percent instead of 1 percent.
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For all the white commenters who don't think Trump is being insultingly patronizing in his plea to black voters, here is what the same appeal would look like, aimed at conservative poor white voters:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/24/1563371/-To-My-Redneck-American-...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/24/1563371/-To-My-Redneck-American-...
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I am white middle class and I found the remarks pretty offensive, and odd that it has taken almost a week to talk about that in the newspaper.
Also notable - the lexicon of the casino owner/con man in speaking about the value of the vote:
Mr. Trump: “What do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump?” he asked. “...what the hell do you have to lose?”
Let's go gambling, baby!
Also notable - the lexicon of the casino owner/con man in speaking about the value of the vote:
Mr. Trump: “What do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump?” he asked. “...what the hell do you have to lose?”
Let's go gambling, baby!
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This is what virtue signaling looks like.
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Donald Trump probably got the impression that all blacks live in poverty-plagued neighborhoods that resemble war zones from reading the New York Times.
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Obviously, Trump is not a nuanced reader. Black poverty temporarily vanishes when Dems are elected. Oh, wait, Obama...
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One is tempted to say that all Jews live in ghettoes and wear black fedoras, and all WASP men are fanatics who blow up churches.
Ah yes, "74 years of failed Democratic policies." Beyond mentioning that it's pretty hard to find anybody who says that Democrats never joined the Klan and nobody else never did nothin', let's look backwards, shall we?
Let's jump in the Wayback Machine, back, back to 1942. When FDR was President. You know...the guy whose WPA included relief, the Rural Electrification Project, and brought up Langston Hughes.
1947: Harry Truman integrates the armed forces.
1952: Thurgood Marshall wins Brown. (Odd that a "barrister," forgot!)
1962: JFK gets off his duff, and starts to support civil rights.
1964: Medicare, and all the Civil Rights bills pass and are signed....
But you know what? Never mind. The thick are thick, whyever they're thick. They'll never recognize that folks have a pretty good handle on what progress there's been, and on what progress there hasn't been. They've got a pretty good handle, too, on the notion that gosh, sometimes politicians just give things lip service.
Of course, none of that's the issue. The issue is that the GOP's running a greedy, mean-spirited, born-rich idiot for Prez, he's getting creamed, and he's trying to scuttle out from under the crazy stuff he's been saying and doing.
This latest nonsense, in which he shows up someplace white and lectures on black people and their lives, is just exactly that. Next we'll be seeing him at a Taco Bell in a white suburb of Dallas, lecturing mezzicans on how to fold a burrito.
That's his outreach.
Let's jump in the Wayback Machine, back, back to 1942. When FDR was President. You know...the guy whose WPA included relief, the Rural Electrification Project, and brought up Langston Hughes.
1947: Harry Truman integrates the armed forces.
1952: Thurgood Marshall wins Brown. (Odd that a "barrister," forgot!)
1962: JFK gets off his duff, and starts to support civil rights.
1964: Medicare, and all the Civil Rights bills pass and are signed....
But you know what? Never mind. The thick are thick, whyever they're thick. They'll never recognize that folks have a pretty good handle on what progress there's been, and on what progress there hasn't been. They've got a pretty good handle, too, on the notion that gosh, sometimes politicians just give things lip service.
Of course, none of that's the issue. The issue is that the GOP's running a greedy, mean-spirited, born-rich idiot for Prez, he's getting creamed, and he's trying to scuttle out from under the crazy stuff he's been saying and doing.
This latest nonsense, in which he shows up someplace white and lectures on black people and their lives, is just exactly that. Next we'll be seeing him at a Taco Bell in a white suburb of Dallas, lecturing mezzicans on how to fold a burrito.
That's his outreach.
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The Huffington Post wrote "Hillary has a long and impressive track record for supporting children and families. Her allegiance to humanity and the pivotal role that families play on a variety of fronts is impressive, consistent.., and evident in her.. life walk. From,, pushing for universal health care to..focus on social and economic development and empowerment, Hillary has carved out a clear history of supporting the backbone of American democracy", and [hasn't]"turned her gaze.. from focusing on strengthening families all across America.” Clinton says if elected she would make community colleges free, have more vocational training available in high school, enhance Obama-Care to cover more. The Clinton Foundation’s site shows her work has expanded overseas. ””The Clinton Foundation currently operates programs to strengthen health systems and local economies across Africa" Yesterday, in a “scripted” speech Trump called Hillary “a bigot", a new strategy to gain black votes? A Trump apologist on CNN last night defended this 'branding' by pedantically defining the word "bigot" as someone who is intolerant of people's different opinions, saying it applied to Hillary and her statements about Trump. She left out the common understanding of that word as a synonym for ’racist'. His campaign play-book seems to be the grade-school ditty "I'm rubber you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." In most grade schools Trump's name calling would not be tolerated.
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But if Trump is wrong about the destructive socio-economic situations of blacks, then how can Regressives use them as cannon fodder for, as Obama, said, a fundamental transformation of America? Leftists have been hoisted by their own petard.
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It's sly, it's clever, and It's also racist to talk to almost exclusively white audiences about how bad life is in black communities. We all understand the real intent of Trump's message, because this line has been fed to whites for decades: Any problem in black communities is overwhelming, insurmountable, apocalyptic -- and could be creeping to our front door! Why hasn't anything been done? Obviously "they" are lacking the resolve necessary, but maybe "we" can save them.
Meanwhile, heroin deaths, crippling job loss, and despair in white communities is a novel, recent and addressable problem -- easy enough that one single man-Savior named Trump can fix it in a matter of months.
This campaign is making me sick to my stomach.
Meanwhile, heroin deaths, crippling job loss, and despair in white communities is a novel, recent and addressable problem -- easy enough that one single man-Savior named Trump can fix it in a matter of months.
This campaign is making me sick to my stomach.
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Plenty of blacks seem to have heard him just fine.
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“You’re living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed — what the hell do you have to lose?”
Trump blames blacks for all problems that he thinks relate to them. "Your poverty, your schools," etc. As though the rest of America has no culpability in these issues. As though they are totally responsible for their own poverty and underfunded schools instead of politicians who allocate the resources. He ignores the well-educated, both academically and in trade, and lumps all black folks into one homogeneous group, painting a negative, unjustifiable picture. Mr. Trump does not even acknowledge that white people are, in many ways, responsible for the plight of the poorest black people and that a significant percentage of whites spent many, many decades working to ensure poverty, housing discrimination, and segregation of all kinds in order to prevent black people from getting ahead or (gasp) aspiring to be equal.
It is clear that neither Mr. Trump nor his staff have done any competent research into this matter. Such unpreparedness, denigration, and ignorance are not qualities I want to see in our President.
Trump blames blacks for all problems that he thinks relate to them. "Your poverty, your schools," etc. As though the rest of America has no culpability in these issues. As though they are totally responsible for their own poverty and underfunded schools instead of politicians who allocate the resources. He ignores the well-educated, both academically and in trade, and lumps all black folks into one homogeneous group, painting a negative, unjustifiable picture. Mr. Trump does not even acknowledge that white people are, in many ways, responsible for the plight of the poorest black people and that a significant percentage of whites spent many, many decades working to ensure poverty, housing discrimination, and segregation of all kinds in order to prevent black people from getting ahead or (gasp) aspiring to be equal.
It is clear that neither Mr. Trump nor his staff have done any competent research into this matter. Such unpreparedness, denigration, and ignorance are not qualities I want to see in our President.
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So let me get this straight: I read in the NYT day after day that black people live in a world of endless racism that keeps them in poverty and despair (The old joke about the NYT headline "World to end tomorrow: women, blacks hardest hit" is not too far off the mark.) But then Trump talks about troubles in the black community, and its suddenly sunshine and roses?
It's like one of those computers on the old Star Trek, fed conflicting information: "Does not compute! Does not compute! (as a shower of sparks fly out of the control panel)"
It's like one of those computers on the old Star Trek, fed conflicting information: "Does not compute! Does not compute! (as a shower of sparks fly out of the control panel)"
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@jim,
The left has a very big broom and rug when needed! And why would the left make disparaging comments about the plight of some American minorities. According to them everything is fine and getting better!
The left has a very big broom and rug when needed! And why would the left make disparaging comments about the plight of some American minorities. According to them everything is fine and getting better!
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I've never heard so many people working so hard to make Trump's comments about inner city blacks wrong. Where were all these people talking about the success of blacks last month, last week or even yesterday?
Does this mean that our race conversation will now change 180 degrees to focus on middle and upper class blacks?
Does this mean that our race conversation will now change 180 degrees to focus on middle and upper class blacks?
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> According to them [Leftists] everything is fine and getting better!
With 8 yrs of Obama.
With 8 yrs of Obama.
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Just like every other ignorant raciest white person I have ever come across: the more he tries to look like he isn't, the more raciest he looks. It reminds me of the white guy who says, "See, I told you I'm not raciest. I got 2 black friends!"
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To those readers who don't get how people can complain about what Trump has said and still believe black Americans are disadvantaged in this country, consider the following:
America has just under 5% unemployment - a vast improvement over seven years ago, but a problem nonetheless. Moreover, a lot of Americans are underemployed. Wages at the lower end of the economic spectrum have remained largely stagnant. The minimum wage is too low. College costs are too high and the job prospects of recent graduates are troubling relative to historical expectations.
I, however, along with the MAJORITY of Americans, am overall fairly happy with how things have shaken out for me. While I certainly wouldn't say no to a raise, I am fairly comfortable with my salary. Moreover, I love my job. I got a fantastic education. I use the relatively small amount of disposable income I have to enrich my life with things like Spotify and Netflix, along with the occasional trip somewhere. I have a good life; I worked hard to achieve what I have, and I will continue to work hard to sustain and improve it. And I am proud of the work I have done and the accomplishments that have come with it.
If someone were to say to me, "America, what do you have to lose?" I'd be a little annoyed by the implication that I don't have/haven't achieved anything. That doesn't mean I don't think problems exist or want better solutions for the many problems that this and any country contends with. But words matter.
America has just under 5% unemployment - a vast improvement over seven years ago, but a problem nonetheless. Moreover, a lot of Americans are underemployed. Wages at the lower end of the economic spectrum have remained largely stagnant. The minimum wage is too low. College costs are too high and the job prospects of recent graduates are troubling relative to historical expectations.
I, however, along with the MAJORITY of Americans, am overall fairly happy with how things have shaken out for me. While I certainly wouldn't say no to a raise, I am fairly comfortable with my salary. Moreover, I love my job. I got a fantastic education. I use the relatively small amount of disposable income I have to enrich my life with things like Spotify and Netflix, along with the occasional trip somewhere. I have a good life; I worked hard to achieve what I have, and I will continue to work hard to sustain and improve it. And I am proud of the work I have done and the accomplishments that have come with it.
If someone were to say to me, "America, what do you have to lose?" I'd be a little annoyed by the implication that I don't have/haven't achieved anything. That doesn't mean I don't think problems exist or want better solutions for the many problems that this and any country contends with. But words matter.
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I recall, from a grad. school Econ. course, that full-employment is not good for our economy. The free-enterprise system works best when there is some level of unemployment to prevent wages from rising due to employers having to compete for scarce resources (workers). That threshold for a good and acceptable level of unemployment is, as I recall, 5% to 6%. Are there any Economists out there who can comment on this? I realize that any level of unemployment is unacceptable to the person who needs a job.
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Youre confusing the hidden Marxism of mainstream economics with science. Capitalism works when govt protects the right to produce and trade. Rising wages result from rising profits.
> America has just under 5% unemployment
50% of working-age Americans are unemployed.
50% of working-age Americans are unemployed.
You cannot have close to 60% unemployment for black youth and close to 22% unemployment for all blacks (4 times the national average) and pretend all is hunkydory with blacks.
You cannot have daily dose of black on black killings in south Chicago, Ferguson, Baltimore, Cleveland, and pretend that all is fine and dandy with black folks.
If things are so rosy, why are many more blacks on food stamps and unemployed after 8 years of Obama regime than when he took office?
Liberals are living in an alternate world of unreal.
You cannot have daily dose of black on black killings in south Chicago, Ferguson, Baltimore, Cleveland, and pretend that all is fine and dandy with black folks.
If things are so rosy, why are many more blacks on food stamps and unemployed after 8 years of Obama regime than when he took office?
Liberals are living in an alternate world of unreal.
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As an Hispanic male living in a largely African American inner-city neighborhood most of the jobs (fast food, car washes, maintenance and now law enforcement) are done by Hispanics. I'm glad that my community is moving forward with each generation, but I also lament that too many young African American males (disenfranchised from the most menial of starter jobs and competing for resources at local schools) are ending up as red dots on the crime map I look at every day. Trump may not be the answer, but there needs to be a serious examination of policies put in place by local /national African America leaders.
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Is sixty years of Democrat control of Chicago the answer?
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There needs to be a serious examination of policies put in place by local and national Asian, Black, Latino, and White leaders. African American politicians cannot implement policies without the support of a majority of all members of a government body.
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trump loves th blacks
he has thousands of them working as kitchen help and doormen at his golf/casino resorts
they just arent allowed to live anywhere near th place
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Two recent books, " White Trash '" by Nancy Isenberg and "Hillbilly Elegy" by
J. D.Vance more aptly describe the plight of lower class white people according to Trump's descriptors than that of Black Americans. To be sure life at the bottom of any social strata is miserable but Trump's remarks reveal an ignorance of Black life and achievement.
J. D.Vance more aptly describe the plight of lower class white people according to Trump's descriptors than that of Black Americans. To be sure life at the bottom of any social strata is miserable but Trump's remarks reveal an ignorance of Black life and achievement.
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@Leonard Rittenberg
Wait a minute. The light dawns. Now I'm beginning to understand. Black Americans have it real good; the White underclass, not so good... Leftist policies will help the poor Whites; no need to help Blacks... Spin that a bit more, please...
Wait a minute. The light dawns. Now I'm beginning to understand. Black Americans have it real good; the White underclass, not so good... Leftist policies will help the poor Whites; no need to help Blacks... Spin that a bit more, please...
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This article presupposes that Trump, as any other presidential candidate, is a thoughtful and caring person who is just having a hard time relating to a certain demographics. I think the people who expect so much from Trump are really delusional.
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Does anyone actually think that Trump has had actual interaction with Black people beyond, "Turn down the bed at 8:00"?
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Does anyone actually think Obama has actual interaction with Black people beyond his wife, when the cameras are on?
*I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, who mentors youth in the poorest Black neighborhoods in Washington DC. I've never seen Obama there.*
*I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, who mentors youth in the poorest Black neighborhoods in Washington DC. I've never seen Obama there.*
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Are you forgetting Omarosa, on his "You're Fired" TV show?
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DC -- How many times does one have to identify their race, profession, and location to give credence to a comment? This is very objectionable, to make a sneering comment about the president and his wife. Ugly even.
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I believe that President Obama has dedicated more of his time and efforts, and more the Justice Department's time and efforts, to the transgender bathroom issue than he has to the skyrocketing crime and murder rates in his Chicago hometown.
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No, not true. The illegal guns and drugs cannot even be stopped because of the allegiances between the nra and republicans. That's where it needs to be stopped before they try to clean up those communities.
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Trump's ideas/stereotypes about the African American experience are ones that many white people share. Unfortunately.
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Trump is not appealing to African Americans. He is propounding the stereotypes some Whites have of AA in an attempt to recapture turned off Republican moderates. That's his audience. That's his target electorate.
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Not facing reality has been the pastime (an activity that someone does regularly for enjoyment rather than work) of too many folks.
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I am an American that belongs to one of this country's racial minority groups. I also, unfortunately, have felt the sting of ignorance on numerous occasions throughout my life.
However, I would also question any political candidate - regardless of party affiliation - who claims to be looking out for either my best interest or the interests of the ethnic or racial group that identify with, whatever it may be.
However, I would also question any political candidate - regardless of party affiliation - who claims to be looking out for either my best interest or the interests of the ethnic or racial group that identify with, whatever it may be.
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What a joke. His party wants to take voting rights away from minorities. And he asks what have you got to lose? Hmmm.... a basic right in a democracy.
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Let's All Vote Trump
And Flush the World down the toilet
And Flush the World down the toilet
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Or vote Clinton and win a front row seat to the "President Clinton Show". It's a true story about a Clinton who engages in unethical behavior, lies about it, gets caught in a lie, is tried for perjury and then impeached. Meanwhile the country grinds to a stop.
Oh, you've seen it already?
Oh, you've seen it already?
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The real issue here are White Obama liberals taking offense at Donald Trump calling out liberals for the plight of Black communities in America.
It's not that difficult to see that Obama liberals aren't concerned about 74 years of failed Democratic party policies, or the African Americans suffering. This is about saving Barack Obama's ego and preserving the status quo for the Black people handpicked by the White liberal establishment to "speak" for us.
It's not that difficult to see that Obama liberals aren't concerned about 74 years of failed Democratic party policies, or the African Americans suffering. This is about saving Barack Obama's ego and preserving the status quo for the Black people handpicked by the White liberal establishment to "speak" for us.
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Interesting...I wouldn't call Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid failed policies since they have helped many people stay out of poverty. I also wouldn't call the minimum wage (which should be higher) a failed policy either since the Republican policy is to have no minimum wage and let people fend for themselves. Imagine a world were none of these supports existed. It would be a much sadder place.
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What about the fact that the "democratic" cities are located in states controlled by Republicans who don't wish to fully implement the policies laid out by said Democrats
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You forgot to add the word wealthy. Many of these self described liberals are in fact, wealthy and arguably, conservative rather than liberal in their outlook. I use the word conservative because they are protecting the status quo, from which they derive their power and wealth. With a cheap helping of self-righteousness and poor-bashing on the side. This is something we see in the NYT political section daily. Self-righteousness that is woefully misplaced, it can be pointed out.
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Trump ought to stick to the facts. They're bad enough. According to the U.S. Census, median household income for white families in 2014 was $74,297. For black families it was $35,398. Twelve percent of white individuals and twenty-six percent of black individuals lived below the poverty line. So it's no surprise that many blacks wind up living in troubled inner-city neighborhoods, nor that they suffer disproportionately from crime and violence. Here's one example. Milwaukee is about forty percent black. Seventy percent of murder victims in 2014 and eighty-four percent in 2015 were black. Milwaukee has recorded at least 76 murders so far this year. Seventy-six percent of the victims were black, while thirteen percent were white. All this in America.
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so he pretty much did stick to the facts
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Jay, the question to you about Milwaukee and the murder rate there is, who had killed the large amount of those African Americans there? Has it been the police? White people? Or other African Americans? I think many of us need to start looking at what is happening in our neighborhoods and take them back from gangs and criminals which we have not and instead what people are seeing everyday on news reports is that African American neighborhoods are war zones comparable to our troops going overseas and fighting in a real war. How can we point fingers out at someone else, but don't do anything to fix the problems that are plaguing our inner city neighborhoods? This is the reason why to me as an African American, black lives matter is currently backwards. I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at police brutality and excessive force at black people, but that over 90℅ of the murders are dealt by other black men in particular is something to be astounded and ashamed.
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Herr Trump makes gross generalizations about People of Color, and depicts them as all-enveloping truths. He ignores the fact that Black Americans, Latinos are a diverse people. His comments about nonwhite people reveal him to be an ignorant, racist and a demagogue.
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I'm not surprised blacks don't recognize Trump's view. Most days I can't tell what planet he's describing -- but it's clearly not the one most of us are on.
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He's describing the planet that his supporters imagine exists and fear.
Just talked to a landscaper in Northern Wisc. He can no longer get young White guys to take jobs on his crews. If they do, they lose their welfare benefits for their 4 kids from 4 different women. The stereotype that she White voters have of African-Americans has become their own self fulfilling prophecy of their own identity. Oh he also says the only reliable workers he can and who work hard and well are ... guess who? Mexicans.
Yes Trumps' dystopia is reality in certain parts of America. But they are less among the people of color than among our home grown Whites, whose values are shot. They are also the ones most likely to be cheering for Trump.
Ah the irony of it all. It would be funny if it weren't so worrisome.
Just talked to a landscaper in Northern Wisc. He can no longer get young White guys to take jobs on his crews. If they do, they lose their welfare benefits for their 4 kids from 4 different women. The stereotype that she White voters have of African-Americans has become their own self fulfilling prophecy of their own identity. Oh he also says the only reliable workers he can and who work hard and well are ... guess who? Mexicans.
Yes Trumps' dystopia is reality in certain parts of America. But they are less among the people of color than among our home grown Whites, whose values are shot. They are also the ones most likely to be cheering for Trump.
Ah the irony of it all. It would be funny if it weren't so worrisome.
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Trump's appeal to black voters isn't different than his appeals to angry white voters "vote for me and I'll will stop people from shooting you".
What does that mean? What does he plan to do? Does he plan on implementing martial law in Chicago or Baltimore? Does he plan on implementing stop and frisk? What is Trump's plan that will appeal to black voters who are living in dangerous neighborhoods, who are targeted by police and street violence.
Trump's "law and order" slogans sounds an awful lot like ramping up "stop and frisk" and aggressive policies like those in LAPD, all of which work on paranoid white voters, but alienate minority voters who see how those policies have been abused by street cops.
i haven't heard anything from Law and Order Trump that won't violate our civil and Constitutional rights.
What does that mean? What does he plan to do? Does he plan on implementing martial law in Chicago or Baltimore? Does he plan on implementing stop and frisk? What is Trump's plan that will appeal to black voters who are living in dangerous neighborhoods, who are targeted by police and street violence.
Trump's "law and order" slogans sounds an awful lot like ramping up "stop and frisk" and aggressive policies like those in LAPD, all of which work on paranoid white voters, but alienate minority voters who see how those policies have been abused by street cops.
i haven't heard anything from Law and Order Trump that won't violate our civil and Constitutional rights.
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@Don,
"that won't violate our civil and Constitutional rights." Yes, nothing will really change and the plight will continue for many minorities in our inner cities as it has for decades. For some people of color, no matter what their ethnic background will be held in a dead end existence, but hey, as long as our civil and Constitutional rights haven't been violated. Whose civil and Constitutional rights are talking about, yours, as you sit behind your keyboard in a decent life or the people who are actually caught in the never ending whirlpool of despair? Never mind the continued killings, poverty, drug and substance abuse, entire neighborhoods lorded over by gangs, as long as our civil and Constitutional rights haven't been violated!
"that won't violate our civil and Constitutional rights." Yes, nothing will really change and the plight will continue for many minorities in our inner cities as it has for decades. For some people of color, no matter what their ethnic background will be held in a dead end existence, but hey, as long as our civil and Constitutional rights haven't been violated. Whose civil and Constitutional rights are talking about, yours, as you sit behind your keyboard in a decent life or the people who are actually caught in the never ending whirlpool of despair? Never mind the continued killings, poverty, drug and substance abuse, entire neighborhoods lorded over by gangs, as long as our civil and Constitutional rights haven't been violated!
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"Whose civil and Constitutional rights are talking about, yours"
I'm talking about everyone's Constitutional Rights. Not just blacks or whites. The funny thing is one of the highest rates of drug related violence is in the prodominently white area of Oregon, the capital of meth production in the US. I wonder how many of those 2nd Amendment Constitutionalist would agree with implementing stop and frisk or no-knock warrants in their State?
You claim that I sit behind my keyboard in a decent life, YES. However, I was born and raised during the bad times of NYC, when this city was burnt out hulk, where the Federal government had written us off, Compton was nothing compared to NYC; it was home the Italian and Chinese mafia; Latino, Black and Irish street gangs ruled.
The key to bringing this city back wasn't throwing out our Constitutional rights and having jack booted gestapo in our streets, we tried that, it didn't work. The key is economics, education, fair housing, transportation, infrastructure. Everything that is missing from Trump.
I'm talking about everyone's Constitutional Rights. Not just blacks or whites. The funny thing is one of the highest rates of drug related violence is in the prodominently white area of Oregon, the capital of meth production in the US. I wonder how many of those 2nd Amendment Constitutionalist would agree with implementing stop and frisk or no-knock warrants in their State?
You claim that I sit behind my keyboard in a decent life, YES. However, I was born and raised during the bad times of NYC, when this city was burnt out hulk, where the Federal government had written us off, Compton was nothing compared to NYC; it was home the Italian and Chinese mafia; Latino, Black and Irish street gangs ruled.
The key to bringing this city back wasn't throwing out our Constitutional rights and having jack booted gestapo in our streets, we tried that, it didn't work. The key is economics, education, fair housing, transportation, infrastructure. Everything that is missing from Trump.
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Trump makes a statement in a few seconds and newspapers like the Times invest hours in researching a response..His attacks are short, the responses are just that; responses...The attack needs to be taken to him.. ... Why hasn't the respected press investigated the filed charges against Trump for illegal sexual contact with a thirteen year old girl? Apparently with a witness to corroborate the event. Does the country have a right to know?
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Trump's comments on his own daughter, and his voluminous bragging in Playboy interviews were all 'sarcastic,' and meant in jest.
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I guess the daily bloodfest in Chicago is being made up by Trump. It's hard to believe that with Obama in office and a former state and US Senator from Chicago/Illinois, he has not taken an active role in assisting the city in this countries version of Modadishu.
Will the Chicago newpappers print a headline that says:
"Obama to Chicago, Drop Dead"
Will the Chicago newpappers print a headline that says:
"Obama to Chicago, Drop Dead"
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More accurate would be "Republicans to Chicago: Drop Dead" considering their total lack of interest in gun safety or jobs programs.
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Clearly, the impression that black life is one of violence and dysfunction comes from television news, where Mr. Trump and many Americans get their political and social summeries. How many people would say the news on tv reflects the real world they live in? Few. The medium is the message, and if it's happening on tv, it's happening everywhere, or so it seems. I think the real problem is black America, if there is any longer such a thing, is still presented as monolithic, but in fact, is very educationally, socially and financially multilayered. You here more justification for violence and disfunction by black commentators on tv news than condemnation. So I don't think tv reflects the real black America, and these commentors have to know it. That's why Trump and the rest of us are all wrong.
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so you are saying, keep status quo because the african-american community doesn't need any assistance?
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@cyclone,
For a part of Black America the media does show the less then desirable side. I guess that's the side you would rather sweep under the rug! Minorities who have made are only paraded on the political catwalk like supermodels when it suits a political agenda. And we all know the ratio of supermodels to average people!
For a part of Black America the media does show the less then desirable side. I guess that's the side you would rather sweep under the rug! Minorities who have made are only paraded on the political catwalk like supermodels when it suits a political agenda. And we all know the ratio of supermodels to average people!
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Some people use opportunity, some people don't. The vast majority of blacks use opportunities, but you wouldn't think that watching or reading the news.
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In reading the comments, you can see a lot of what is called the "ultimate attribution error" in social psychology. The theory explains "why members of the ingroup ('us') tend to judge members of the outgroup ('them') so harshly."
In other words, we tend to attribute negative outcomes for outgroups by saying it is because of all their personal failings and faults; when outgroup members do well, we say they were just lucky or given a break.
We do the reverse for ourselves and our ingroups. When we do well, we say it is because we have admirable personal characteristics; when we do poorly, we blame it on bad luck, others, the situation, or the system.
So:
When blacks can't find a job or do poorly in school it is their fault. When we lose our job and can't find another one or do poorly in school, it is the system's fault or the teacher or bosses' fault.
One thing for sure, Donald Trump and the GOP thrive on ginning up ingoup-outgroup animosities and prejudices.
A big question in this 2016 election is: Is this who we Americans are? More than in many past elections, this time your vote really does count in a number of very important ways.
In other words, we tend to attribute negative outcomes for outgroups by saying it is because of all their personal failings and faults; when outgroup members do well, we say they were just lucky or given a break.
We do the reverse for ourselves and our ingroups. When we do well, we say it is because we have admirable personal characteristics; when we do poorly, we blame it on bad luck, others, the situation, or the system.
So:
When blacks can't find a job or do poorly in school it is their fault. When we lose our job and can't find another one or do poorly in school, it is the system's fault or the teacher or bosses' fault.
One thing for sure, Donald Trump and the GOP thrive on ginning up ingoup-outgroup animosities and prejudices.
A big question in this 2016 election is: Is this who we Americans are? More than in many past elections, this time your vote really does count in a number of very important ways.
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and the democratic liberal gov't for the past 8 years has done...what?
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Since he neither reads nor visits real people, Trump obviously gets his information about African American communities from "The Wire."
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"Many say Mr. Trump’s role in leading the so-called birther movement that questioned President Obama’s birthplace doomed his chances with African-American voters." - funny it was Hillary Clinton that started the birther movement, not Trump.
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If indeed she "started" it, I don't recall her hammering at it endlessly like Trump did.
If the birther movement were really the source of offense, Clinton would be the object of black's anger. She's not so it's not.
It is just another excuse for dislike wrapped up to look like racism. Dislike is much more powerful when it can be blamed on racism, which is pretty much what much of this criticism is.
It is just another excuse for dislike wrapped up to look like racism. Dislike is much more powerful when it can be blamed on racism, which is pretty much what much of this criticism is.
trump perfected it
and then pretends it never happened
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"Marc Morial, the president of the National Urban League, said that black Americans faced challenges, but that Mr. Trump’s depiction of a hopeless, violent black America did not match reality."
What about the "reality" depicted in the NYTimes of:
Ferguson
Baltimore
Detroit
Chicago
Clearly, there's nothing to see in these places? Black lives matter? Really.
What about the "reality" depicted in the NYTimes of:
Ferguson
Baltimore
Detroit
Chicago
Clearly, there's nothing to see in these places? Black lives matter? Really.
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Marc Morial said Trump's depiction of Black America did not match reality?
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC. If Marc Morial said those very words under oath on a witness stand in any courtroom in America, I could have Marc Morial declared mentally incapacitated.
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC. If Marc Morial said those very words under oath on a witness stand in any courtroom in America, I could have Marc Morial declared mentally incapacitated.
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Surprise to you too. Most black people I know. including me, would say the same thing
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so Marc is saying we don't need to supply any special considerations or assistance because it's all pretty much ok in the african-american community? hmmm
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The article quotes 2 black people both social justice activist, one extremely so.
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The first guy's a retired post office clerk; the second was the ex-publisher of a black-owned paper that didn't support sit-ins during the 1960s; there are several others.
What's the mattr with you people?
What's the mattr with you people?
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I see lots of anecdotes supporting the claim that Trump's description of the lives of poor Black Americans offends them, but no actual evidence (and if you think that a handful of cherry-picked anecdotes is evidence, you and these authors need to go take, or re-take in their case, a stats course). Why publish this except for agitprop purposes? Usually we get dire stories from this paper about the lives of Blacks. Now suddenly nothing resembling what Trump described exists and everyone is offended by his description.
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So you're not swayed by the 349,000 unemployed Black people in the Atlanta Metro area that the White NY Times liberal reporters drove by and ignored while searching for Black folks dumb enough to appear in the NYT pretending that poverty, violence and blight don't exist in Black America?
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M, you've touched on a devilishly simple argument. If a person dies from a bullet, was he responsible because he was standing in the wrong place? Some of your Tea Party friends will say, yeah, he is. But that argument doesn't apply in the case of Donald Trump's new campaign because the issue here is whether he can be believed. Do you believe him?
things are ok in the african-american communities. let's just let them be and live in peace.
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I suppose when Trump says "It can't get any worse," he is referring to how he has been polling with black voters.
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Donald Trump has spent precious time in this election season whipping up the crowds and getting a real kick out of being a Ringleader.
He has had over a year to DO something and has produced nothing.
For every insult Mr. Moneybags Trump threw, he could have spent his time showing that he is capable of building something real- where is a factory, a mill, or retraining centers or clinics? This guy has built his white followers NADA. Black voters are smart enough to see the con.
He has had over a year to DO something and has produced nothing.
For every insult Mr. Moneybags Trump threw, he could have spent his time showing that he is capable of building something real- where is a factory, a mill, or retraining centers or clinics? This guy has built his white followers NADA. Black voters are smart enough to see the con.
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@KAYJOHNSON: While conducting research on the murderers of EMMITT TILL, Roy Bryant and JW Elam in Money Mississippi where Till met his death, I came across the elder brother of Medgar Evers, slain civil rights leader, who informed me that he was voting for Trump because the candidate had pledged to build a catfish processing plant in the state--catfish is one of Mississippi's main resources and export items--which would provide jobs and generate revenue for the state that would otherwise go to China, which heretofore processed its catfish harvest. Got to keep up with the news. For your edification, Carolyn Bryant was living at the time in a nursing home in Jackson, but believe she has passed away.
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I sincerely hope that enough White voters also see Herr Trump's con so that he in not elected POTUS. If Herr Trump becomes POTUS, America will enter a very dark period of time, both at home and abroad.
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Blacks to Trump: Jobs matter!
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Trump is on to something. And he should point out the following:
There is actually a difference between how Democrats treat inner-city blacks in Chicago and New York City, and in Philadelphia.
In Chicago and New York, they don't even pretend to care because Illinois and New York are guaranteed Democratic states. They don't need very many black votes to carry these states.
But in Philly, which is located in purple-state Pennsylvania, look out. The voter drives are through the roof. They will bend over backwards to get African Americans to the polls. By the time the Democrats are done with Trump, blacks in Philly will look at him like he is a KKK leader.
And if HIllary wins, it's back to business as usual, and the inner-city blacks will see zero improvements in their lives, just like they saw zero improvements in their lives under President Obama.
There is actually a difference between how Democrats treat inner-city blacks in Chicago and New York City, and in Philadelphia.
In Chicago and New York, they don't even pretend to care because Illinois and New York are guaranteed Democratic states. They don't need very many black votes to carry these states.
But in Philly, which is located in purple-state Pennsylvania, look out. The voter drives are through the roof. They will bend over backwards to get African Americans to the polls. By the time the Democrats are done with Trump, blacks in Philly will look at him like he is a KKK leader.
And if HIllary wins, it's back to business as usual, and the inner-city blacks will see zero improvements in their lives, just like they saw zero improvements in their lives under President Obama.
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Isn't Black America (a racist term, because if we said White America the screams from the liberal media would be obnoxious) offended by everything?!
Black America should be offended by Black America period.
What has Black America done for itself over the decades? It still votes for a Democrat in spite of the evidence that the Democrats have done nothing for Black America. Even the Black America President Obama hasn't done a thing for Black America. Hell, he hasn't done a thing for White America either, but he sure has for millions of Muslim immigrants, Iranian mullahs and everyone else that has vowed to destroy our way of life.
Black America continues to wallow in poverty, crime and unemployment for millions of Black Americans. When they protest, they burn down and loot their own neighborhood businesses destroying the chances of any other good businesses moving into their neighborhood and improving Black American's lot.
The pervasive attitude is that education isn't respected and neither is law and order. Too many times Black Americans have been shot by overzealous cops. Those cops (black and white) need to be prosecuted for their actions. But, also many times Black Americans flee from police or fight or brandish weapons at police stops.
Black Americans needs to stop blaming everyone else for Black American's problems and face the truth that Black Americans are keeping Black Americans down.
Black America should be offended by Black America period.
What has Black America done for itself over the decades? It still votes for a Democrat in spite of the evidence that the Democrats have done nothing for Black America. Even the Black America President Obama hasn't done a thing for Black America. Hell, he hasn't done a thing for White America either, but he sure has for millions of Muslim immigrants, Iranian mullahs and everyone else that has vowed to destroy our way of life.
Black America continues to wallow in poverty, crime and unemployment for millions of Black Americans. When they protest, they burn down and loot their own neighborhood businesses destroying the chances of any other good businesses moving into their neighborhood and improving Black American's lot.
The pervasive attitude is that education isn't respected and neither is law and order. Too many times Black Americans have been shot by overzealous cops. Those cops (black and white) need to be prosecuted for their actions. But, also many times Black Americans flee from police or fight or brandish weapons at police stops.
Black Americans needs to stop blaming everyone else for Black American's problems and face the truth that Black Americans are keeping Black Americans down.
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"The pervasive attitude is that education isn't respected and neither is law and order. " Beware of generalizations. No one has appointed you to pronounce the final word on African-Americans' attitude. You describe the attitude of SOME not ALL.
Stop the generalizations and stereotypes. Stop pretending that poverty and under-achievement are a problem only for African-Americans and recent immigrants.
STOP pretending that middle class, prospering and successful, educated, law abiding African-Americans are an aberration. Denying them the acknowledgement of their existence as workers and taxpayers.
Stop pretending that poor White Americans are an aberration.
Reality is more complex, and requires more thinking and observation than most are willing to undertake.
Stop the generalizations and stereotypes. Stop pretending that poverty and under-achievement are a problem only for African-Americans and recent immigrants.
STOP pretending that middle class, prospering and successful, educated, law abiding African-Americans are an aberration. Denying them the acknowledgement of their existence as workers and taxpayers.
Stop pretending that poor White Americans are an aberration.
Reality is more complex, and requires more thinking and observation than most are willing to undertake.
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When the left talks about black problems, it's compassion.
When the right talks about black problems, it's a caricature.
And this, reader, is why the media can't be trusted. I hope president Trump seizes control of news outlet, and turns them into nationalist mouthpieces.
When the right talks about black problems, it's a caricature.
And this, reader, is why the media can't be trusted. I hope president Trump seizes control of news outlet, and turns them into nationalist mouthpieces.
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You actually believe there is no difference between what the left and right say about Black Americans? You actually believe it's the same words and policies but the media just twists it? I think you have a reading comprehension issue.
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Yes, then we can be just like North Korea.
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Media appeals on an emotional basis to get their 'clicks' so they can charge advertisers the higher rates. The media stirred the pot big time with the Ferguson incident and that mushroomed into the current mess of racial hatreds and the rise of calls to kill police and white people as random victims chosen solely for their color or uniform.
The funny part about all the outrage over Trump's daring to discuss race is that it's not his talk of race that will attract black voters. It's his position on trades and jobs. Race becomes irrelevant there.
Turns out getting caught up in a race argument is a luxury only a lucky few can afford. Everyone else regardless of their race has to worry about making a living.
Turns out getting caught up in a race argument is a luxury only a lucky few can afford. Everyone else regardless of their race has to worry about making a living.
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As a white person, watching Mr. Trump's televised speech from Wisconsin last week and hearing his characterizations of African Americans left me feeling utterly revolted. America most certainly needs change but it cannot be led by someone as ignorant of it's needs as Trump. Racism is so deeply embedded in our society many white Americans seem to be blind to it. His words do nothing to decrease it. No matter what others write for him to say, his tweets will continue to reveal more about his inability to govern than his speeches. On Election Day, his divisive and insulting rhetoric must not be forgotten.
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Appallingly ignorant and tone-deaf comments from the Donald as usual. But it's not just the black community that he completely misunderstands and egregiously mischaracterizes.
Trump's description of the state of our country in his convention speech was not an America I recognize. And I have traveled and lived in many parts of this vast country, North and South, East and West, mountains and coast, bustling inner city and sleepy countryside. Nowhere have I seen this dark dystopia plagued with anarchy and violence that we supposedly need the Terrific One to protect us from.
The sheer gall that a rich boy from Manhattan, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and spending all of his life in gilded palaces surrounded by sycophants, would presume to speak for all of us "ordinary" Americans, black or white, is simply breathtaking.
Trump's description of the state of our country in his convention speech was not an America I recognize. And I have traveled and lived in many parts of this vast country, North and South, East and West, mountains and coast, bustling inner city and sleepy countryside. Nowhere have I seen this dark dystopia plagued with anarchy and violence that we supposedly need the Terrific One to protect us from.
The sheer gall that a rich boy from Manhattan, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and spending all of his life in gilded palaces surrounded by sycophants, would presume to speak for all of us "ordinary" Americans, black or white, is simply breathtaking.
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Trump is speaking as per usual to the forgotten black. Unusually high unemployment rates cannot be taken for granted. Disingenuous to insinuate that everything is fine, and you know it
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Donald Trump has employed more minorities than Hillary has gotten a donation from.
To say Hilary 'understands the plight' of the minority is just like her, a brazen lie...
To say Hilary 'understands the plight' of the minority is just like her, a brazen lie...
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Your comment sounds like a brazen lie too. Were these minorities illegal immigrants that Donald employs, or among the thousands that he doesn't pay for their services?
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What she really understands is her plight if she doesn't get 92% of the black vote. This is what the demonization of Trump and the pandering to blacks is all about.
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Joe, Hillary has devoted her life to public service, children and women have benefited most. Donald Trump does employ people...illegal workers he has brought in from other countries, taking needed jobs from Americans.
For Trump, it's all about HIS bottom line. And you Joe, your only importance is what you can do for him.
For Trump, it's all about HIS bottom line. And you Joe, your only importance is what you can do for him.
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“I don’t know — most of the black people I know are educated and live in nice neighborhoods. Everybody in my family is required to have a degree.” Really? Give me a break.
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Well, if you were Michelle Obama, you could say most blacks you know are rich and highly educated, but the truth is the majority blacks in this country can't agree with this statement.
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Or even several.
Unfortunately for rural white, mostly male America, Trump is again saying what they think. This does mean what they think is racist, disingenuous, stereotypical and just plain stupid, but it is what they think.
Some 70+% of white people -don't actually know a single black person they would call a friend- (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/25/three-quarters-of... so really, why -wouldn't- they believe what the white media establishment tells them? These are people who lionize Fox News and Duck Dynasty. Critical thinking is completely anathema to them.
If you object to my comments as stereotyping of white people, it's about time. Do try not to be so stereotypical.
*drinks from flute of White Tears*
Unfortunately for rural white, mostly male America, Trump is again saying what they think. This does mean what they think is racist, disingenuous, stereotypical and just plain stupid, but it is what they think.
Some 70+% of white people -don't actually know a single black person they would call a friend- (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/25/three-quarters-of... so really, why -wouldn't- they believe what the white media establishment tells them? These are people who lionize Fox News and Duck Dynasty. Critical thinking is completely anathema to them.
If you object to my comments as stereotyping of white people, it's about time. Do try not to be so stereotypical.
*drinks from flute of White Tears*
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There are many more of us than you know. We are teaching your children in school, staffing the local firehouse, developing your software, counting and analyzing your investments and preparing your taxes. We're running our small business, taking your temperature and monitoring your recovery in the hospital.
We are driving cars and trucks on the freeway during rush hour, coming to and from work. We are packing subway trains at the same times too.
We are the Black workers and taxpayers that you see everyday.
But somehow it is much easier to pretend that we don't exist.
We are driving cars and trucks on the freeway during rush hour, coming to and from work. We are packing subway trains at the same times too.
We are the Black workers and taxpayers that you see everyday.
But somehow it is much easier to pretend that we don't exist.
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Once again, Donald states the problems, but offers no solutions to improve the lives of those African Americans he is courting, other than 'what have you got to lose?'. What they've got to lose is their self-respect for believing such a shyster really cares about them.
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Is this a signal that articles here on the inequity of the lives of African Americans, so numerous over the decades as to be uncountable, will cease? Has Trump changed this hallowed defender medium THAT much already?
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I have lived in the black community all my life, I do not find Trump's words offensive. The mindset within our community is that government is the answer for everything. This is pushed by Democratic field workers who get paid to push that line ad infinitum. They distribute chump change handouts, and hand voters promises of "a better life." For most of my 60 years, I haven't seen that "better life" materialize for my fellow blacks. I am a professional, but on my own merit, I went to and paid for college. I see my mother's friends living in the same apartments, along with children and grandchildren in many cases. The Democrats is they have no business approach to help people, they have a handout approach which is fine but not when absent training. Both parties are awful and are interested in party only. Earlier government service was marked by the best and brightest, now we live with a class of bureaucrats whose interest is in their employment rather than the people that pay their salary. At Democratic functions, attendees work for the party. At Republican functions, the people have real jobs. That is the choice for our people. I am not a Republican or Democrat, I trust neither, but I do believe that Trump, even with his absurd rhetoric, would set in motion actions that would help our people to educate themselves and learn business, which anyone can be do, a la Third World countries, where so many small, clever business models exist.
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The Don's message of lies-fear-anger-hate-war have been the only tools in republicans' tool box since Nixon and they seem to think it will continue to work. Sorry, boys and girls, the majority of us don't buy it and do not like the kind of America you are trying to paint. WE will prove it with OUR votes on November 8 and every election before and after for the foreseeable future.
Bye Bye!
Bye Bye!
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Did Ferguson, Chicago, Baltimore and Milwaukee under a radical urban metamorphosis this yesterday?
Did the BLM movement become irrelevant yesterday?
Did the racial divide miraculously disappear yesterday?
Apparently the answers are Yes, Yes, Yes. At least the Times and the dozen randomly selected representatives unanimously rebuffed the satanic Trump's false assertions of the socioeconomic conditions of Black America.
Did the BLM movement become irrelevant yesterday?
Did the racial divide miraculously disappear yesterday?
Apparently the answers are Yes, Yes, Yes. At least the Times and the dozen randomly selected representatives unanimously rebuffed the satanic Trump's false assertions of the socioeconomic conditions of Black America.
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Donald Trump is foolish to call Hillary Clinton a bigot. Before he continues on that line, he needs to go and ask Cheryl Mills, Hillary Clinton’s personal Attorney and former Chief of Staff who happens to be black. More importantly, Donald Trump needs to go and ask Hillary Clinton’s longtime mentor, Marian Edelman, who is also black. We know Hillary Clinton in the black community. She is one of us. She just happens to have a white skin. We all come in different skin colors.
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Trump called Hillary a bigot. That is the wrong word.
What is word for making promises that can't be kept, insinuating that lives will be ruined if any Republican (let alone Trump) becomes president, and then does absolutely nothing to improve their lives once elected?
Because that is, and what will be, Hillary Clinton.
What is word for making promises that can't be kept, insinuating that lives will be ruined if any Republican (let alone Trump) becomes president, and then does absolutely nothing to improve their lives once elected?
Because that is, and what will be, Hillary Clinton.
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Trump called her a "bigot" because he knew she was about to call him a "white supremacist". Of course,she would couch it in code.
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In other words, some of Hillary's best friends are black? Okay then.
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All of Trump's recent statements reinforce racist stereotypes. Even Trump realizes that this will not get him the votes he needs to win, but Trump does not care because he isn't running a campaign, he's on the promo tour for Trump network. He has former Fox and current Breitbart execs on his staff. Trump Network was always his goal.
Perpetuating racist stereotypes keeps his future viewers enraged and engaged.
Perpetuating racist stereotypes keeps his future viewers enraged and engaged.
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He is clearly talking about life in the inner city. He is not talking about people who are middle class who work in the tech industry, or are civil servants. The fact is if you live in a bad neighborhood it IS dangerous, and the schools ARE dangerous, and life is a mess there. If I lived in those circumstances I would definitely be looking for change. Are we denying that there are neighborhoods so bad that it isn't safe to walk the streets? Just because something is unpleasant, that doesn't make it false. It is time for everyone to get their heads out of the sand.
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Trump tried to delegitimize Obama from the get-go. He tried to question an American's citizen's birthplace and education as if those FACTS were Donald's to "decide". It was a sickening display of arrogance from Donald Trump.
Can you imagine a white executive being treated that way? To produce your birth certificate? Sorry- he lost most Americans right then as anything even close to presidential material. He is an idiot for thinking people have no memory.
Can you imagine a white executive being treated that way? To produce your birth certificate? Sorry- he lost most Americans right then as anything even close to presidential material. He is an idiot for thinking people have no memory.
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I am sure people living in those horrible neighborhoods really care about that, after all, that changes their day to day lives in a significant way.
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“Who’s he talking about?” Mr. Williams said Wednesday over lunch at Ponce City Market, an upscale development with a hip food court." I am glad he is doing well and he lunches at upscale restaurants, but is this the most representative person you could find to respond to Trump's accusations that the Afro-American community needs better treatment from our society?
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One can only assume that Donald Trump gets his views of black life (as in other areas) "from the shows". He's disconnected. Some have made the point that he has been running as the candidate of the old backbone of American culture: white Protestant Americans. That group (particularly the fundamentalist and evangelist part) is frightened and has seized on this man as their last hope for regaining their position as it existed in the 1950s (when they see America as having last been 'great'). Finally, Trump is waking up to the fact that he cannot win without adding to his core constituency -- but he has no clue about people who are not part of white Protestant America. He is flailing. Without knowledge, curiosity, and ties outside his "island", he simply doesn't know how to fix his main issue: the ceiling on his constituency.
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He gets it from black pastors.
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Honestly when 93% of the African-American vote went to Obama and the Democrats,Trump has nothing to lose.When Romney couldn't get a single vote in Philadelphia you have to think that this isn't fertile ground for the GOP.The bigger story here is that despite being fervent supporters of the Democrats,that hasn't produced the desired dividends for the community.If and that's a big if,Trump can bring blue collar jobs back then the African-American community would get a very good boost. So what do they have to lose.
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As an Afro-American, I know that Secretary Clinton is the best friend to all Blacks in America.
For example, she has on several occasions physically reached ou to Travon's mom, who should be very visible in the
Hillary Oval Office.
Likewise, the Clintons live officially in Chapaqua New York, which according to Wiki has a rich Afro-American diversity of .94%.
If half dozen of the moms of those innocent young men martyred to racist cops visit Hillary for tea, it will double the Black people in Chapaqua.
For example, she has on several occasions physically reached ou to Travon's mom, who should be very visible in the
Hillary Oval Office.
Likewise, the Clintons live officially in Chapaqua New York, which according to Wiki has a rich Afro-American diversity of .94%.
If half dozen of the moms of those innocent young men martyred to racist cops visit Hillary for tea, it will double the Black people in Chapaqua.
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I know we're all hoping for some Kaufman-esque reveal come November with 'The Donald', but regardless of how you feel about the man himself, his constituents are very much real and harbor dangerous convictions. Donald is a product of our reality we must now face head on.
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As a white woman, I was offended by Trump's overwhelming ignorance. He used a broad brush to paint an entire group of people as needy and unaccomplished. Is Trump really this stupid and disconnected? Yes!
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Trump seems to seriously challenge comprehensive skills. Perhaps it's his NY accent?
Trump was clearly talking about inner city blacks. They would be the same group talked about 99% of the time by media, black activists and democrats.
Suddenly a demographic breakdown is required before one may talk about blacks? Or is it just that there is a monopoly on the right to discuss the plight of blacks?
What next? Trump is charged with a violation?
Trump was clearly talking about inner city blacks. They would be the same group talked about 99% of the time by media, black activists and democrats.
Suddenly a demographic breakdown is required before one may talk about blacks? Or is it just that there is a monopoly on the right to discuss the plight of blacks?
What next? Trump is charged with a violation?
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Black people come in all shades, educated, uber educated, uneducated, successful, unsuccessful, in other words, they are just like everyone else. If you don't understand this, you understand nothing.
As a former New Yorker, I get his accent, it's his ignorance I reject.
As a former New Yorker, I get his accent, it's his ignorance I reject.
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To answer Trump's question, African Americans have a lot to lose:
First, the right to vote. Not only have Republican governed states enacted voter registration laws specifically targeted at African Americans, Trump has trumpeted his request that there be observers at polling places looking out for voter fraud - i.e. to intimidate African American and other minority voters.
Second, you risk losing your jobs. Trump's advice to his daughter, if harassed or discriminated against at work, is to find another job. His advice to African Americans and other targeted groups will be similar - don't complain, just find another job. He does not believe in enforcing the existing employment laws forbidding discrimination in the workplace. And he doesn't pay his own contractors and workers - you risk losing even minimum wages for jobs he will send you to.
Next, but no less important, you risk losing the right to a public education. In Republican governed states tax cuts for rich people have led to cutting funds for schools and teachers. Without education, the ability to obtain well paying jobs is limited. The ability to move into and maintain a middle class life would be greatly restricted.
The list could go on, but the truth is that Trump would be a disaster for African Americans, and for all Americans.
First, the right to vote. Not only have Republican governed states enacted voter registration laws specifically targeted at African Americans, Trump has trumpeted his request that there be observers at polling places looking out for voter fraud - i.e. to intimidate African American and other minority voters.
Second, you risk losing your jobs. Trump's advice to his daughter, if harassed or discriminated against at work, is to find another job. His advice to African Americans and other targeted groups will be similar - don't complain, just find another job. He does not believe in enforcing the existing employment laws forbidding discrimination in the workplace. And he doesn't pay his own contractors and workers - you risk losing even minimum wages for jobs he will send you to.
Next, but no less important, you risk losing the right to a public education. In Republican governed states tax cuts for rich people have led to cutting funds for schools and teachers. Without education, the ability to obtain well paying jobs is limited. The ability to move into and maintain a middle class life would be greatly restricted.
The list could go on, but the truth is that Trump would be a disaster for African Americans, and for all Americans.
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This has nothing to do with courting the black community as evidenced by the stereotypes Trump uses to describe them. This is a cynical attempt to tell white suburban voters that he cares about minorities. The irony is that his pitch plays to the views that his undereducated supporters have of the black community. Donald Trump is a man who harnessed their racist resentments and rode that wave to the nomination. His problem is that the general electorate is very different from the far right segment of the GOP who voted for him. He has not tempered his positions for the general election but rather tripled down on this with his new alt right campaign manager. He has made hatred and racism mainstream. He has shown us who he is. We should believe him.
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Donald is offensive to most people. I resent the space this gross, ignorant, cruel man now takes up in our collective lives.
this election is why I am no longer making monetary contributions to either party. The amount of money spent to run for office in the US is obscene. When you hear politicians name call each other for being rich and in the pocket of big banks and Wall Street it's laughable. If you aren't rich when you start you're rich when you finish. Right Bernie?
Citizens United will go down as the ruling that most damaged our democracy, I hope not irreparably. How do repeal this ruling?
this election is why I am no longer making monetary contributions to either party. The amount of money spent to run for office in the US is obscene. When you hear politicians name call each other for being rich and in the pocket of big banks and Wall Street it's laughable. If you aren't rich when you start you're rich when you finish. Right Bernie?
Citizens United will go down as the ruling that most damaged our democracy, I hope not irreparably. How do repeal this ruling?
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Lol do you really think the Citizen's United ruling will be overturned.Both parties love it.Imagine all the cash you need and none of the oversight.The media will never push to have it overturned because they are feasting on the ad dollars. Big money wins again,but look at the bright side,you can blame the GOP and feel good while the Democrats abuse the system too.
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Donald Trump's description of the Black communities certainly match my perceptions, right or wrong. But I live in Oregon, in a city that is 99% white and work in the tech industry and have exactly zero black coworkers, neighbors, or friends. Not through choice or intent, it's just the way things worked out for me. All my impressions of the state of Black America come from the media - I read the New York Times everyday, I suppose that is where much of my dismal view comes from.
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Educate yourself. A good place, Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the Untied States," Ta-Nehisi Coates, "Between the World and Me," and lastly Paula Giddings, "When and Where I Enter The Impact of Black Women on Race and Sex In America."
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@JohnKeno, I'm a Black lawyer in Washington DC who has relatives in Portland. Your view is spot on. The circumstances in Black America shapeshift depending on what the White liberal establishment needs the Black community to look like for purposes of profit and politics.
The Obama presidency has been an unmitigated disaster for African Americans.
The Obama presidency has been an unmitigated disaster for African Americans.
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Black Americans haven't recognized Trump's description of their lives for three days now. how about a new article?
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I am so tired of Republicans spouting that they are the party of Lincoln. They are the party of Lincoln only in that the party shares the same name. They do not share the values that Lincoln brought to the presidency -- integrity, honor, care for humanity to name a few. The party of Lincoln grew corrupted and into the Republican party of today when white supremacists migrated over after the Democrats evolved to more progressive ideals -- integration, for example. Please stop talking about being the party of Lincoln, he would cry tears of shame to see what it has become today.
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It's quite funny to see someone with no understanding whatsoever of a demographic group attempt to pivot towards that group. The poor man has no idea what to say or how to say it. But, as noted, that may not be a problem if his aim is to make himself more palatable to on-the-fence whites who shy away from his racist comments rather than to actually win over blacks.
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Trump has been offensive to Blacks since his redlining days when he discriminated in his housing units. We haven't forgot the long history of Trump's blatant racism, both his actions taken in business and his vile comments about minorities and women over the course of his career and in the celebrity spotlight.
Trump has done nothing to further race relations in NYC. Along with our former racist mayor, Giuliani, a big backer of Trump, two peas in a pod, they represent the worse of the worst civil rights advocates we've seen in the City. And please don't bring up the Reverend Al. He's a pain to be sure but he's the product of racists like Giuliani and Trump. Without those two we wouldn't have as much validity bestowed upon Sharpie Sharpton. He is a creation of them.
DD
Manhattan
Trump has done nothing to further race relations in NYC. Along with our former racist mayor, Giuliani, a big backer of Trump, two peas in a pod, they represent the worse of the worst civil rights advocates we've seen in the City. And please don't bring up the Reverend Al. He's a pain to be sure but he's the product of racists like Giuliani and Trump. Without those two we wouldn't have as much validity bestowed upon Sharpie Sharpton. He is a creation of them.
DD
Manhattan
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Thank you, I am -so tired- of White Media running only to Sharpton and Jackson as some Oracles of Blackness, whenever something "black" happens. I did not and would not vote for them to be my spokesmen.
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I don't think these statements are made to appeal to black people. I think these statements are made to appeal to whites who are uncomfortable with his racist statements and who have no interactions with black people and so know no better than to believe this nonsense.
African Americans have made great strides and while they are significant numbers trapped in poverty (27.2%), the majority are in the middle class. There is good new out there folks. I won't give all the stats but this one struck me.
By both race and gender there is a higher percentage of Black women (9.7 percent) enrolled in college than any other group including Asian women (8.7 percent), white women (7.1 percent) and white men (6.1 percent) but they are still grossly underpaid
African Americans have made great strides and while they are significant numbers trapped in poverty (27.2%), the majority are in the middle class. There is good new out there folks. I won't give all the stats but this one struck me.
By both race and gender there is a higher percentage of Black women (9.7 percent) enrolled in college than any other group including Asian women (8.7 percent), white women (7.1 percent) and white men (6.1 percent) but they are still grossly underpaid
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Donald Trump probably got the impression that all blacks live in poverty-plagued neighborhoods that resemble war zones from reading the New York Times.
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Probably not, because the NYT makes no such claim, and because Donald doesn't read.
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Certainly the writer of this editorial is not so myopic to believe that a majority of black people live like the gentleman in his article. A majority of black Americans sadly, live at or below the poverty line. They live, by and large, in either poor smaller rural communities, or in larger cities in areas with higher crime rates, and other disconnecting issues. While it is a wonderful truth that many, many black people have risen quite high in the socio-economic strata, and many more are enjoying a higher quality of life, the fact remains that most still live "somewhere" that is not their dream. I think that these people are the ones Trump is talking about. To say otherwise is, once again, to expose the liberal and anti-Trump bias of this great publication.
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You're making the same mistake Trump is making. The majority of black people do NOT live at or below the poverty line. The actual number is 26 percent, while the rate for the country as a whole is 15 percent.
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Trump is speaking to his white base. The use of African Americans as a prop is as transparent as his lifelong history of discrimination, racism and sexism.
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Trump is offensive to all of us, not just black america. However, Clinton is no better with her pandering to blacks and women. Both are despicable and I hope no one votes for a candidate that tells them to vote for them because of gender, ethnicity, religion, or race.
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Mary,
Why do you think that at the Republican convention there were about 20 black voting delegates, while at the Democratic convention the black voting delegates numbered in the 100's? Also, it's the Republicans who have led the movement to make voting more difficult for black communities. Before you accept Trump as your hero, make certain you're not being manipulated by a 'Johnny come lately' who will do and say anything to win your vote but has never supported causes or legislation to meet the needs of the poor and oppressed in this country, and who represents a party who would eliminate Social Security and other support programs if given the opportunity; the party that dedicated itself to obstructing the leadership of our first black president even though he was elected twice by significant majorities and put forth legislation that would have uplifted the lives of the poor and oppressed in our country, but was rejected by GOP leaders and legislators, including some who were unwilling to accept the vision of a black president.
Why do you think that at the Republican convention there were about 20 black voting delegates, while at the Democratic convention the black voting delegates numbered in the 100's? Also, it's the Republicans who have led the movement to make voting more difficult for black communities. Before you accept Trump as your hero, make certain you're not being manipulated by a 'Johnny come lately' who will do and say anything to win your vote but has never supported causes or legislation to meet the needs of the poor and oppressed in this country, and who represents a party who would eliminate Social Security and other support programs if given the opportunity; the party that dedicated itself to obstructing the leadership of our first black president even though he was elected twice by significant majorities and put forth legislation that would have uplifted the lives of the poor and oppressed in our country, but was rejected by GOP leaders and legislators, including some who were unwilling to accept the vision of a black president.
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“I hear him not talking to black people, but talking to white people about black people so they will think he cares about black people,” said Alexis Scott, a former publisher of The Atlanta Daily World, a black-owned newspaper.
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Hey Alexis Scott, of course, Trump is talking about black livelihood to BLACK folks, white folks, and all colors in between. As long as the independents hear his message, his mission is accomplished in this rogue nation.
Get it? Good.
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Hey Alexis Scott, of course, Trump is talking about black livelihood to BLACK folks, white folks, and all colors in between. As long as the independents hear his message, his mission is accomplished in this rogue nation.
Get it? Good.
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Funny how when white folks hear the racist Trump pleas to black folks, "Hey, what do you have to lose?", they here a sympathetic tone, a "softening" in his previous positions. When Blacks hear the same words they are outraged at Trump's blatant racism.
Our previous dislike of Trump is only reinforced by Trump's so-called appeal to Blacks and Hispanics. We have known Trump since his "redlining" days in the housing units he and his father built. Trump looks more like the Big Daddy of the Trump Tower plantation than someone who stood with us and walked with us during the civil rights movement.
Like his draft dodging days in the Sixties Trump was nowhere to found when it came to civil rights. Only white folks who support Trump, Trump's Chumps, think his latest words are a sign of progress. They're not, they're a sign of desperation by a candidate losing ground.
Trump's outlandish racist sexist rants which went over well during the primaries, when he appealed to his base and their baser instincts. We remember those days as the true Trump, a con artist to the end. How can so many people still support this complete nincompoop is beyond the pale. They will be getting their comeuppance very soon.
DD
Manhattan
Our previous dislike of Trump is only reinforced by Trump's so-called appeal to Blacks and Hispanics. We have known Trump since his "redlining" days in the housing units he and his father built. Trump looks more like the Big Daddy of the Trump Tower plantation than someone who stood with us and walked with us during the civil rights movement.
Like his draft dodging days in the Sixties Trump was nowhere to found when it came to civil rights. Only white folks who support Trump, Trump's Chumps, think his latest words are a sign of progress. They're not, they're a sign of desperation by a candidate losing ground.
Trump's outlandish racist sexist rants which went over well during the primaries, when he appealed to his base and their baser instincts. We remember those days as the true Trump, a con artist to the end. How can so many people still support this complete nincompoop is beyond the pale. They will be getting their comeuppance very soon.
DD
Manhattan
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DD — Please don't generalize all white people. I'm white, and when I heard him say all that stuff (ostensibly to what he would call "the Blacks") I, like I'm sure many, was aghast! Disgustingly condescending and typically rascist.
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Dear Karen:
Please accept my apology. Black or White, most of us are all good people, mean well, and do the best they can in this crazy world.
Why can't the people who think Trump is so great see how racist sexist and just plain impolite he is toward anyone he deems beneath him, which seems to be most folk. Our grandchildren are not allowed to listen or watch Trump without parental supervision to explain to them that this is not the way anyone not just someone running for the most powerful office in the world should behave.
I hope Trump turns into a teachable moment for all of us.
God Bless.
DD
Manhattan
Please accept my apology. Black or White, most of us are all good people, mean well, and do the best they can in this crazy world.
Why can't the people who think Trump is so great see how racist sexist and just plain impolite he is toward anyone he deems beneath him, which seems to be most folk. Our grandchildren are not allowed to listen or watch Trump without parental supervision to explain to them that this is not the way anyone not just someone running for the most powerful office in the world should behave.
I hope Trump turns into a teachable moment for all of us.
God Bless.
DD
Manhattan
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It's not just about Trump. The entire Republican party with rare exceptions haven't done anything to warrant increases in Black support. Voter suppressing drives, ending early voting periods, and other policy changes make it clear that their formula for winning elections involves limiting the number of Blacks who can vote.
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I am a white middle class woman in my late 50s. I find Trump's attempt to appeal to African American voters appalling and insulting. I can only imagine how most African Americans feel about it.
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Considering that Mr. Trump has spent his life living in New York City, one of the most diverse cities in the country, these statements are shocking in their ignorance. And offensive. And oh, I'm white, so if he thought he could fool whites into thinking this shows he cares, guess again. If he's so worried about unemployed black youth, he should hire some. I'd like to know, with all those jobs he's created, how many have gone to African Americans? He's the one who only cares about getting votes, not Hillary.
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The ship is sinking, and this article is yet another attempt to bail her out. She may very well still win the election, but she is already damaged goods. She will never get over the lingering questions, and they will hamper her going forward. Already she sounds as if her nerves are being frayed over all this. Normally we would look to be inspired by a candidate's message and by his/her sense of buoyancy and optimism for the future. Instead, in Hillary we find already a Nixon-like defensiveness and paranoia. It will not let up. I fear she may well end up like him talking to the Presidential portraits in the White House at midnight.
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Have you checked any polls recently?
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"Who's he talking about?" He's talking about the portrayal that the NY Times and other media outlets portray pretty much every day in articles and videos. For a large number of people of non-color that is the predominant source of information and perspective. Day after day of portraying people of color as down trodden, unemployed, victims of police violence, people of gangs, drugs and poverty. The medias goals may be to show the disparities and thereby help the cause, but the result is to inaccurately portray the day to day overall condition/situation. When you report on a flooded area, you show the two square blocks that are underwater, but if you pull the camera back you can see the 2,000 that are just fine. The result is portraying a group as either role models or downtrodden, while the reality of the majority is just NORMAL people leading fine and normal lives.
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“I don’t know — most of the black people I know are educated and live in nice neighborhoods. Everybody in my family is required to have a degree.”
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How many black people this guy knows and what percent of the total population do they represent?
To deny that the conditions in which most blacks live are deplorable is to have your had buried in sand.
Most of the Blacks will vote for Hillary for the security of status quo she represents: change is difficult for most people in general to cope with, and unless the social problems of out of wedlock pregnancy, broken homes, rampant drug use, and gun violence are dealt with, the conditions of blacks will not likely get any better, no matter who is running this country.
What Trump is doing is bold, and it is making the rest of the country realize that Democratic policies have not made a difference to the lives of the party's constituency of black and colored people.
Keep saying it, and it will stick.
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How many black people this guy knows and what percent of the total population do they represent?
To deny that the conditions in which most blacks live are deplorable is to have your had buried in sand.
Most of the Blacks will vote for Hillary for the security of status quo she represents: change is difficult for most people in general to cope with, and unless the social problems of out of wedlock pregnancy, broken homes, rampant drug use, and gun violence are dealt with, the conditions of blacks will not likely get any better, no matter who is running this country.
What Trump is doing is bold, and it is making the rest of the country realize that Democratic policies have not made a difference to the lives of the party's constituency of black and colored people.
Keep saying it, and it will stick.
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Most black folks don't live in the conditions Trump or you describe.
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Sorry, this is the 2010's not the 1910's.
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Let's start with getting illegal guns and drugs out of the neighborhoods first. Otherwise, why bother?
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Chicago has a gun ban. Therefore there are no guns in Chicago. How are you going to collect "illegal guns" when clearly there are no guns per Democrat policy?
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Why don't we acknowledge that an entire nation can do a lot of things at once rather than the old story of "You be better be four times as good as the best white person before we give you half the credit we give to a white criminal."
His cynicism is outstanding. The shame he heaps upon America immeasurable. His words become ashes as he spews. But as I speak to everyday people around me, whoever they are, I get no reaction to his destructive and abusive words! Why is that?
When I heard him speak about Americans, African Americans I felt ashamed. Ashamed as he appealed to the people in his audience, who I see smiling and laughing at his poison. No concept about the rich and varied lives present here in America. No mention of the contribution to this American life in writing, poetry, music, the fine arts and scientific thought made by the African American citizens. No mention of the continued struggle for civil rights made over decades. The contributions made to this culture, a culture made from blood and diversity.
Poverty and deprivation are with any society but I see NO evidence that this spoilt, entitled, supposedly billionaire cares. In his 70 yrs of life what has he done for anyone but himself?
When I heard him speak about Americans, African Americans I felt ashamed. Ashamed as he appealed to the people in his audience, who I see smiling and laughing at his poison. No concept about the rich and varied lives present here in America. No mention of the contribution to this American life in writing, poetry, music, the fine arts and scientific thought made by the African American citizens. No mention of the continued struggle for civil rights made over decades. The contributions made to this culture, a culture made from blood and diversity.
Poverty and deprivation are with any society but I see NO evidence that this spoilt, entitled, supposedly billionaire cares. In his 70 yrs of life what has he done for anyone but himself?
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What Trump said in that speech was extremely offensive. It pandered not to African-Americans per se, but to ignorant white people ( his supporters) who believe every A-A person is in the ghetto, shooting up drugs, in gangs, have no jobs and are criminals. It would be laughable were it not so pathetically ignorant.
It just reinforced the stereotype these people have of A-A.
When we elected Obama, Trump couldn't stand it and insisted he wasn't even American born. ( Yeah, DT, we're still waiting for all that birther movement information you talked about 8 years ago to come to light....another big fat lie from the ultimate con man).
It is no accident that David Duke came out in support of Trump. He has brought out the worst racists from the shadows into the sunshine. They are proud to be hateful racists. DT has brought racism into the mainstream. I have never been so afraid for this country as I am right now.
It just reinforced the stereotype these people have of A-A.
When we elected Obama, Trump couldn't stand it and insisted he wasn't even American born. ( Yeah, DT, we're still waiting for all that birther movement information you talked about 8 years ago to come to light....another big fat lie from the ultimate con man).
It is no accident that David Duke came out in support of Trump. He has brought out the worst racists from the shadows into the sunshine. They are proud to be hateful racists. DT has brought racism into the mainstream. I have never been so afraid for this country as I am right now.
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It seems to me that Trump is just a cartoon version of the Republican Party's overall problems with non-white voters. Over the last eight years, the Republican appeal to whites has been one of nostalgia for prior cultural norms, premised much more explicitly on the promise of giving them back "their" country. This appeal is incompatible with whatever message of inclusiveness they might deliver to African American or any other non-white voters. A promise to promote equality under the law for all people is not credible when you are simultaneously promising to restore or maintain the privilege of your white supporters. To attract non-base voters, the Republicans need to persuade their base -- the people who already support them -- that we don't live in a zero sum world where opportunities for non-whites inevitably erode the position of whites, that we will all be better off if everyone gets the chance to claim their potential. That is not happening, indeed, I doubt if they even understand that it needs to happen.
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What I find shocking is the number of white people who should know better than to fall for the trickery of Donald Trump. His constant use of superlatives and absolutes shows his inability to be hones.
When I was in grade school we were getting ready to take a quiz on a history subject we were studying. The test was to be a true or false type. Prior to the test she wrote sentences on the board, some with absolutes. We discussed the ones that we figured were false and by and large most of the absolutes were false. Why? Because it is rare for things to be absolutely true or false.
She taught us a mighty lesson.
Now when we took the test we were on the lookout for absolutes which we reasoned to be false statement.
We were children and we learned a wonderful lesson.
It seems that Trumpists are falling for the sunami of idiocies dressed in absolutes. Is it that they want to believe what is being shoved down their throats or that they are simply too stupid to bother to think?
When I was in grade school we were getting ready to take a quiz on a history subject we were studying. The test was to be a true or false type. Prior to the test she wrote sentences on the board, some with absolutes. We discussed the ones that we figured were false and by and large most of the absolutes were false. Why? Because it is rare for things to be absolutely true or false.
She taught us a mighty lesson.
Now when we took the test we were on the lookout for absolutes which we reasoned to be false statement.
We were children and we learned a wonderful lesson.
It seems that Trumpists are falling for the sunami of idiocies dressed in absolutes. Is it that they want to believe what is being shoved down their throats or that they are simply too stupid to bother to think?
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So which is it NYT, all is well and good in the black community or Trump has a valid proposition?
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Dear Will:
If you were familiar with Trump's real estate redlining from decades ago you would perhaps not so ignorant to Trump's racist ways. The guy is messing you white folks, and you're buying his snake oil hook, line, and sinker. We Blacks may have tougher than Whites but it's not due to Democrats. It's due to the constant obstructionism by Republicans of President Obama's efforts to make improvements. You just see everything our beloved president does as destroying America. How ignorant can Trump's white supporters be? Blacks may not be as well educated as Whites but we are not stupid. It is you who needs an education to the wily ways of Trump.
DD
Manhattan
If you were familiar with Trump's real estate redlining from decades ago you would perhaps not so ignorant to Trump's racist ways. The guy is messing you white folks, and you're buying his snake oil hook, line, and sinker. We Blacks may have tougher than Whites but it's not due to Democrats. It's due to the constant obstructionism by Republicans of President Obama's efforts to make improvements. You just see everything our beloved president does as destroying America. How ignorant can Trump's white supporters be? Blacks may not be as well educated as Whites but we are not stupid. It is you who needs an education to the wily ways of Trump.
DD
Manhattan
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Trump knows nothing. The depth of his ignorance is revealed every time he opens his mouth to speak. National polls show his support around 40% of the those polled with majorities in southern states and those states in the great plains. The people who cast votes for Trump demonstrate their ignorance, bigotry and hatred for minority groups in this country. We owe Trump a little gratitude for distilling the white republican voter to its ugly core.
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Incredible! How stupid and gullible does he think we are? Black citizens, Jewish citizens, members of all minorities of every educational and socio-economic levels share fundamental values of honesty: we all recognize his blatant opportunism and endless lies and distortions. What a disgrace he is - he can shout from the rooftops in an effort to disgrace Hillary but the truth will not be denied. His words do not become reality simply because he repeats them over and over again. Study history: his tactics are as transparent as his orange hair is bright: everything about him is an insult to thinking people. He is loathsome, as are the people around him encouraging his vile toxic stain on our political process. We are not blind pathetic grist for his obscene egotistical mill: he must be defeated at the polls!
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White, suburbanized America is largely ignorant of black America. The devotion and dedication to parents, especially mothers, the willingness to work hard in jobs where success does not guarantee good pay and trudging forward in the face of racial prejudice are but three examples of what is unknown to most white citizens. Trump represents that deep valley of ignorance writ large, splashed on television screens across America.
What's more, white America doesn't even see black America. Blacks arrested for crime and violence are shown prominently in news broadcasts and in newspapers, but the dignity and beauty of well dressed, successful black Americans doesn't register. Many whites just don't encounter successful black people to offset the images in their heads. Ralph Ellison wrote "The Invisible Man" long ago and it was an intended metaphor for an entire race invisible to those who don't want to see and understand.
Trump was taking that bleak, uninformed view of the black community, showing his blank ignorance, and hoping to gain some ground. Violence, crime and lack of educational or economic progress are not exclusive to any one racial or ethnic group. He offers nothing but a bully's taunt, "What do you have to lose?" To him, 150 years of change and progress from slavery forward mean nothing because he does not grasp the struggle nor the accomplishments that have followed.
What's more, white America doesn't even see black America. Blacks arrested for crime and violence are shown prominently in news broadcasts and in newspapers, but the dignity and beauty of well dressed, successful black Americans doesn't register. Many whites just don't encounter successful black people to offset the images in their heads. Ralph Ellison wrote "The Invisible Man" long ago and it was an intended metaphor for an entire race invisible to those who don't want to see and understand.
Trump was taking that bleak, uninformed view of the black community, showing his blank ignorance, and hoping to gain some ground. Violence, crime and lack of educational or economic progress are not exclusive to any one racial or ethnic group. He offers nothing but a bully's taunt, "What do you have to lose?" To him, 150 years of change and progress from slavery forward mean nothing because he does not grasp the struggle nor the accomplishments that have followed.
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Trump has two points: (1) things are bad for minorities and (2) I alone can help. Point (1) seems to be true, but point (2) is total nonsense, based on Trump's past behavior and performance at cheating people.
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Just a few questions, Mr. Trump:
In your construction career, how many ghettos have you converted to high rise gold encrusted edifices to the Trump banner?
If you are so sensitive to black's wishes and concerns, can you tell me how many blacks are members at Mar Lago and all the other country clubs you own?
How many blacks can afford to stay in any of your hotels on the minimum wages they make while cleaning the rooms and toilets of those same hotels?
If you really are concerned for Black's welfare and future, how about giving them discounts to golf memberships and discounts to all Blacks wanting to stay in any of your casinos or hotels so they too can taste the high level of success that you live in and so they will be inspired to attain the same high level of human being you are?
In your construction career, how many ghettos have you converted to high rise gold encrusted edifices to the Trump banner?
If you are so sensitive to black's wishes and concerns, can you tell me how many blacks are members at Mar Lago and all the other country clubs you own?
How many blacks can afford to stay in any of your hotels on the minimum wages they make while cleaning the rooms and toilets of those same hotels?
If you really are concerned for Black's welfare and future, how about giving them discounts to golf memberships and discounts to all Blacks wanting to stay in any of your casinos or hotels so they too can taste the high level of success that you live in and so they will be inspired to attain the same high level of human being you are?
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With all due respect, your sources do not represent the views of Black America. It might be offensive of the paper to try and paint such broad strokes when trying to misrepresent persons of color and their political views for your own political agenda.
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Polling shows Trump support at 1% in the black community. Maybe offer the POV you think is more accurate.
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Because there are no successful black people actually making their way in the world. Have you seen the Oval Office lately?
Isn't this a real time attempt at Stockholm Syndrome from the Republican Party and it's candidate?
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His latest appeal to black voters: " Vote for me and you won't get shot." Unbelievable.
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One could argue that "America needs to go a different route". I would suggest tossing Citizens United SCOTUS rulling, eliminate the continual call for supply side economics by Republicans, see all Americans as equal regardless of skin color, religion, hair color... Actually face inequality, that only Clinton is addressing. These are some of the changes that would benefit everyone, including African Americans that Trump is trying to court by saying try my way - a way that would increase poverty exponentially for whites and minorities, eliminate Social Security and Medicare, and essentially eliminate taxes on the rich. And possibly start WWIII. That way is not THE way. It is no way.
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Trump is not talking about black readers of the NYTimes. It seems ironic when activists and "progressive" politicians point out the low graduation rate, lack of job opportunities and other problems facing many black Americans, it's expected and acceptable. When Trump does it, it's racism.
Trump is not going to make any inroads in the black community no matter what he says. But certain polls shows he's running ahead of black votes received by Mitt Romney and John McCain--which means 6%!
Trump is not going to make any inroads in the black community no matter what he says. But certain polls shows he's running ahead of black votes received by Mitt Romney and John McCain--which means 6%!
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At the end of the day, Trump has said demeaning things about women and minorities that do not have to be explained or parsed.
The guy is not interested in problem-solving- his mind does not work that way.
The guy is not interested in problem-solving- his mind does not work that way.
All one has to do is look at the venues from which Trump speaks to African Americans and Hispanics. He's in his element: A Caucasian audience that applauds everything he utters. A Caucasian audience that shares his warped views that African Americans and Hispanics can only escape the squalor in which they live by making him their savior. If that isn't racism, at the very least it is textbook ethnocentrism.
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By asking the question "What do you have to lose?" trump is unknowingly motivating an even larger number of black people to go to the polls to vote against him.
This is not only because of the offensive way in which he asked the question, but also because it causes black people to reflect on how much damage an ignorant racist like him could do.
Slavery, segregation, lynchings, and other anti-black crimes from the past are very painful memories that many African-Americans rather not think about on a daily basis, but in a way trump's question is a reminder of how much worse things could be if a lowlife like him got elected...
This is not only because of the offensive way in which he asked the question, but also because it causes black people to reflect on how much damage an ignorant racist like him could do.
Slavery, segregation, lynchings, and other anti-black crimes from the past are very painful memories that many African-Americans rather not think about on a daily basis, but in a way trump's question is a reminder of how much worse things could be if a lowlife like him got elected...
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I agree with every word, except I only categorize folks like Duke as racist. Folks that aren't ashamed of their actual beliefs and will state them outright.
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Public policy will never "fix" the ills of the ghettos despite claims from the right and left. Create equal opportunities for all (which does exist despite vehement protests from possibly well intentioned, but ideologically blind democrats), and the rest is the responsibility of individuals and communities. Trump is clearly aiming his message at those who feel that this country is not giving them a fair shake - however those folks will have to stand in line with the multitude of others who are crying foul.
I grew up in the Bronx, and for me, the "hood" was as much a state of mind as anything else. If someone can show me any law or policy that can change bad habits ingrained in a culture, I would vote for that person in a heartbeat.
I grew up in the Bronx, and for me, the "hood" was as much a state of mind as anything else. If someone can show me any law or policy that can change bad habits ingrained in a culture, I would vote for that person in a heartbeat.
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Firstly, Aa a teacher in the "hood," I can agree with you that there certainly is a "state of mind" component to what ails these neighborhoods. But a) that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of other components equally worthy of investigation, and b) it's a state of mind that is cultivated and nurtured by the unique struggles of ghetto neighborhoods, which means that the "equal opportunity for all...does exist" bit of your argument is nonsense. Kids who grow up in affluent neighborhoods don't receive that external negative acculturation. Period.
But your whole argument actually misses the point of the article, which is that the vast majority of black Americans DON'T live in poverty, DON'T live in ghettos, DON'T feel hopeless about their prospects.
Black Americans do have a lot of shared experiences of discrimination, systemic racism, and cultural defamation (through a history of being portrayed in the media through a largely and unrepresentatively ghettoistic lense) that promote a political and social unification absent among white Americans, but the vast majority of black Americans are ambitious, aspire to and regularly achieve success, and, most importantly, are PROUD of their accomplishments, particularly in light of the disadvantages that (differently, it should be said) affect them.
These, for most people, are what "defines" black America - the shared pride, the spirit of community, the grit and success in the face of adversity. Trump's rhetoric ignores that.
But your whole argument actually misses the point of the article, which is that the vast majority of black Americans DON'T live in poverty, DON'T live in ghettos, DON'T feel hopeless about their prospects.
Black Americans do have a lot of shared experiences of discrimination, systemic racism, and cultural defamation (through a history of being portrayed in the media through a largely and unrepresentatively ghettoistic lense) that promote a political and social unification absent among white Americans, but the vast majority of black Americans are ambitious, aspire to and regularly achieve success, and, most importantly, are PROUD of their accomplishments, particularly in light of the disadvantages that (differently, it should be said) affect them.
These, for most people, are what "defines" black America - the shared pride, the spirit of community, the grit and success in the face of adversity. Trump's rhetoric ignores that.
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Well that's curious. The same segment of the black community that Democrats attempt to appeal to when they talk about "mass incarceration of youths" and "police abuses in the inner city" now apparently does not exist when Trump mentions it.
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Can people please stop making excuses for Trump by pretending he said what they wanted to hear? Trump didn't "mention" a "segment of the black community". He plainly and unapologetically invoked the ignorant perception that black America is a wasteland of violent crime, unemployment, and economic depression. He literally asked, "What do you have to lose?" - to which not only many but MOST black Americans would respond by saying, "A lot".
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Please - Trump is offensive while the headline "..Those Living in It [Black America]" is not? Last time I looked there was no stereotypical "Black America." Yes Trump is guilty of generalizing, just as many journalists and Americans, including black Americans, are. But every time I read Trump's speeches and tweets I don't seem to find the picture of him that is in the news - this article has more description of Trump's statements than his own words. Don't talk about the mote in Trump's eye without discussing the beam in your own.
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Mr, Trump...look at who won so many Olympic medals!
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Blacks who are gaming the system will never vote for Trump. that group includes Black civil rights lawyers etc., Blacks who enjoy set aside programs for their group. and many welfare recipients. I can't blame them.
they know that Trump will endanger their livelihood by forcing them to do real work.
they know that Trump will endanger their livelihood by forcing them to do real work.
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You obviously don't know any blacks do you?
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Maybe you don't know any whites who are experts at gaming the system who will vote for Trump. Come visit. I'll show you.
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Soon we shall see if Jeb Bush is right, "You can't insult your way to the White House!"
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He’s not reaching out, he’s trolling. He knows his comments are inflammatory. The spectacle of enraged black people criticizing Trump will only make him more popular with his core constituency.
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Black middle class success does not generate headlines. White impressions of black lives are informed by stories of inner city black youth, unemployed and even unemployable, rejecting the values of education and civil deportment as "acting white." Trump and others accept this view of black lives as the big picture.
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The Black vote is the only seam of gold left he can mine. And he's only going after the easy pickings - those who are kinda stuck, kinda stupid, and who like to buy shiny gadgets that don't work.
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Nonsense, every black American I know agrees with Trump's analysis. I'm not sure where the NYT gets its supporting data, but my data indicates blacks feel exactly as he stated.
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And just how many might that be?
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What data? Sounds like you're supporting Trump in the absence of any facts that support him, just like all his deluded supporters.
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There are many blacks who will vote for Trump because they are smart enough to know that what he does for "Americans" on jobs and trade will benefit them too.
This whole "Trump offended blacks" is just chatter to them. They're not offended by jobs.
This whole "Trump offended blacks" is just chatter to them. They're not offended by jobs.
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Trump's message is really directed toward his base and reflects the base's prejudices and assumptions.
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The really sad thing about this is the GOP has taken the White middle class for granted for low these many years while picking their pockets.
Now T is doing it again. He is offering White folk rhetoric without substance to help rebuild the middle class of all ethnic groups.
Now T is doing it again. He is offering White folk rhetoric without substance to help rebuild the middle class of all ethnic groups.
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The progressive liberal Marxist Democratic Party is determined to continue to destroy inner cities, ruin education and promote dependency.
It's really sick.
It's really sick.
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Why not Trump? If anyone thinks things are bad now, for anyone, life in America with Trump at the helm would only sink to a new absurd low, for anyone except the wealthy.
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For over half the African Americans in this country and the 114 million Americans who have given up on finding work during the Obama presidency, things can't get worse.
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I can't believe all the comments.
So serious, so passionate.
Really at this point what Trump says and does is a comedy act. You gotta shake your head and chuckle.
"You people this, you people that". I roll my eyes.
Donald Trump. The headline generator that just keep on giving.
So serious, so passionate.
Really at this point what Trump says and does is a comedy act. You gotta shake your head and chuckle.
"You people this, you people that". I roll my eyes.
Donald Trump. The headline generator that just keep on giving.
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Number of times Donald Trump referred to anyone in my race as "you people" in a public speech in 70 years: ZERO.
Obama liberals, how many times do I have to say this?
If you have to lie to defend someone else's honor, you've ruined your own.
Obama liberals, how many times do I have to say this?
If you have to lie to defend someone else's honor, you've ruined your own.
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This entire slant mystifies me. For decades the media, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have told us the African Americans are in poverty and live in crime-ridden neighborhoods. Now the media -- including the New York Times -- is telling us the opposite. I guess their philosophy is "Whatever Works" is disparage Republicans.
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What amazes me is that with Trump such an obvious train wreck as an alternative to Hillary Clinton she still has such an uphill battle. It just underscores all her weaknesses as a candidate.
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But this is also the way the Times, in large part, portrays the black experience. I'm no fan of Donald Trump, never have been. But the Times' vicious one-sided reporting about him and his campaign is reprehensible. The Times, as the Newspaper of Record, should strive tp present an unbiased commentary. The current state of its commentary, however, is as annoying, in its way, as the bloviating from the far right. The thinking of the Times' management have bled over -- hemorrhaged, really -- from the opinion pages into all its reporting. The effect is jejune and unprofessional.
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The Times is either reporting or following up on what Donald Trump himself has said. Trump is a privileged individual who has gotten more second chances than almost anyone in the universe, but the rest of us are not required to grant him the privilege of avoiding scrutiny or logical follow up of his own words. That doesn't make us (or the NYT) vicious, and as for being one-sided -- there seems to be only one side and none of us should be willing to pretend that there is another "side" to Trump that doesn't really exist.
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At the very least Trump is not an unindited felon like Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Tragic that Democrats do not care a wit about whether a presidential candidate is honest. Hillary is so crooked it is ridiculous - too many criminal actions over the past thirty years to list.
Tragic that Democrats do not care a wit about whether a presidential candidate is honest. Hillary is so crooked it is ridiculous - too many criminal actions over the past thirty years to list.
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Never charged or convicted of ANY crime. But do go on about all of her "felonies" and "criminal actions".
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An impossible list to make since there are zero entries.
Try a little research and you'll find Toxic Trump lies on a daily basis and is actually embroiled in a trial for fraud right NOW.
Try a little research and you'll find Toxic Trump lies on a daily basis and is actually embroiled in a trial for fraud right NOW.
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Keep spewing out the crooked Hillary line. It's all you've got?
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The only thing these daily biased "preaching to the choir" articles can do is increase support for Trump. The man has no business being president of the US. But he is not a racist, for goodness sake.
And I like his argument that the only real thing Hillary Clinton and other Democrats care about is getting the black vote. Once the votes are counted, it's see you later - until the next election. This attitude can be seen in Chicago, when the only time Black Lives Matter is when a cop is involved. The 99.5% of shootings that don't involve a cop - crickets.
And I like his argument that the only real thing Hillary Clinton and other Democrats care about is getting the black vote. Once the votes are counted, it's see you later - until the next election. This attitude can be seen in Chicago, when the only time Black Lives Matter is when a cop is involved. The 99.5% of shootings that don't involve a cop - crickets.
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It doesn't matter if Trump himself is or is not a racist in his real life. What does matter, and what is disqualifying, is that Trump has used racism as the foundation of his campaign. In doing that he has encouraged racist groups and given them legitimacy. Whether or not he wins, this legacy of hate will remain for many years.
O sure, and I'm certain that Trump will definitely come to the black people's aid like gangbusters if he's elected. If they ever would buy his story, I'll bet he'd set a new record for "see you later - until the next election." He's using the black people just like he's using the white people. Wake up!
Trump's world view apparently is formulated by glances at tabloid headlines.
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The big question each of us has to answer in November is which dumpster fire shall I jump into?
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What is Rev. Al Sharpton going to do? Report that all is well in the African American next time he is invited to the White House? Or endorse Mr. Trump?
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"What do you have to lose?" As echoed by Trump, this sentence epitomizes his philosophy and the depth- and shallowness- of his deception. Trump sounds like a conman who is always playing with someone else' money.
As Trump gets more desperate, the more ugly truth he will reveal about his "success."
As Trump gets more desperate, the more ugly truth he will reveal about his "success."
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There are effectively two black societies in our country. A minority of black citizens have assimilated into white society and are doing reasonably well compared to those black citizens who have not, which is the second black society into which the majority of black citizens fall. Unfortunately, white society and our government have done very little to aid the people in this second black society. It is worth noting that most black people in this country are citizens and have been such for generations.
White society and our government seem more interested in taking care of illegal aliens and refugees none of whom are citizens. Many, if not most of these noncitizens compete with the second black society for employment, government benefits, resources, and public respect.
Trump seems to be right when he says that the Democrat party has really done very little to help move the second black society forward. Clinton seems very interested in helping the 11 million illegal aliens in this country and bringing in a significant number of refugees. It seems to many as if she wants to put these people ahead of the citizens in our second black society.
Trump says he wants to put Americans first, including black Americans. When you compare what Trump wants to do with what Clinton wants to do, why would not black Americans want to take a chance? It is hard to imagine it can be any worse.
White society and our government seem more interested in taking care of illegal aliens and refugees none of whom are citizens. Many, if not most of these noncitizens compete with the second black society for employment, government benefits, resources, and public respect.
Trump seems to be right when he says that the Democrat party has really done very little to help move the second black society forward. Clinton seems very interested in helping the 11 million illegal aliens in this country and bringing in a significant number of refugees. It seems to many as if she wants to put these people ahead of the citizens in our second black society.
Trump says he wants to put Americans first, including black Americans. When you compare what Trump wants to do with what Clinton wants to do, why would not black Americans want to take a chance? It is hard to imagine it can be any worse.
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Trump "wants to do" anything for everybody that will help get him elected. For someone who attracted support because he was not a politican, he certainly is employing political strategy in securing votes.
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“The inner cities of our country have been run by the Democratic Party for more than 50 years. Their policies have produced only poverty, joblessness, failing schools and broken homes,” Trump said. “It’s time to hold Democratic politicians accountable for what they have done to these communities. At what point do we say enough? At what point do we say enough?”
Donald Trump said, "we can never fix our problems by relying on the same politicians who created our problems in the first place. A new future requires brand-new leadership.”
As a remedy to the problems that Trump said beset the African-American community in the U.S., Trump prescribed much of his usual policy proposals: school choice, tougher immigration laws, more efficient government and trade policies that promote American job.
Donald Trump said, "we can never fix our problems by relying on the same politicians who created our problems in the first place. A new future requires brand-new leadership.”
As a remedy to the problems that Trump said beset the African-American community in the U.S., Trump prescribed much of his usual policy proposals: school choice, tougher immigration laws, more efficient government and trade policies that promote American job.
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Trump went from Polar Bear to PandER Bear in mere days:)
Trump won the nomination by sending Detectives to HI to investigate the POTUS Birthrights (and the Results Please???), denigrated: POWs, women, the disabled, Muslims, Latinos,..journalists, spouses of his opponents,...
Apparently he's ran out of people, groups, ethnicities, religions,...to denigrate,...OR has he?
Trump won the nomination by sending Detectives to HI to investigate the POTUS Birthrights (and the Results Please???), denigrated: POWs, women, the disabled, Muslims, Latinos,..journalists, spouses of his opponents,...
Apparently he's ran out of people, groups, ethnicities, religions,...to denigrate,...OR has he?
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I recently heard a talk by a black gay activist who pointed out that the image of the black community portrayed in the media is consistently negative. There was an Annenberg study some years ago that if you just got your world view from the media you were more fearful. We don't really hear enough about the strengths and richness of the black community although as a society we have benefitted so much from that richness. Donald Trump just doesn't know and has not bothered to find out about the issues confronting African Americans, Muslims, Hispanics, gays, whites. He has been and continues to be a bombastic narcissistic gas bag.
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It's so obvious yet many people still don't get it. The African Americans have been going through discrimination and poverty for over a century, but it's all new for the white guy, and he can't handle it. They want to make sure that the black guy doesn't get any leverage or advantages over them so they are pinning their hopes on Trump, who is conning the white guys to give him leverage in the presidential election. He could care less about the white people, or the blacks for that matter. All he cares about is himself and his ridiculously dangerous presidential campaign.
O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. . . . Walter Scot
O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. . . . Walter Scot
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That's Shakespeare, isn't it?
What have you got to lose? Let's see... voting rights? Fair housing laws? Abortion and contraception rights? Public education? Health insurance? Social Security? What few rights/protections labor still has? Public transportation? What little environmental protection is still funded and enforced? Separation of church and state? Would any blacks honestly prefer the Good Old Days before the civil rights movement, before the women's rights movement, before the labor movement? Many of these gains have been eroded, due largely to Republican efforts and the sway of big corporations (sanctified by Citizens United). Plenty is wrong, but there is no reason to think a rich white guy who has profited from a system that preys on the 95% is going to dismantle that system.
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Someone (i.e., our government, if we can ever get that to work) needs to present a statistically-based picture of what African Americans are like. I am tired of relying on TV shows and political statements canned by newsy-type networks like Fox or CNN.
There is a distinct difference between truth and 'truthiness.' Let us reach out to social scientists (if there are any left) to measure the verisimilitude of what these politicians are saying.
There is a distinct difference between truth and 'truthiness.' Let us reach out to social scientists (if there are any left) to measure the verisimilitude of what these politicians are saying.
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He is a hateful man, and copes with the world by dealing in stereotypes. Thus his campaign's treatment of Mexcicans, Muslims, blacks, and Jews. If he hasn't included your particular affiliation yet, just remember:
"And then they came for me"
"And then they came for me"
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The world is not hateful, o no.
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The Donald will never change he fits the narcissistic profile and he is a bigot who is trying to get the hispanic voters by pulling off what he calls the "Wetback Operation" for immigration and now e is begging for the african american vote, give us a break Trumpster. This guy amazes me with his bigotry and negativity.
SHOWS US your taxes Trumpster. I work for the largest tax agency and I know you can show your taxes. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING Trumpster? He has dealt with migrant labor overseas and gets their passports and waits until they finish his building then he tries and successfully pays them pennies for their work and won't return their passports. What a guy! If you viewed on the program VICE it will show you how Trumpster works with hiring immigrants. Now he is begging for the african Americn voter by insulting them in his description of their neighborhoods is like being in a hell hole. Either the guy pleads innocent by not knowing any better or he is a straight up bigot who tweets white supremacy garage. He pals around with the fanatics like "the Rudy and oversized Christie" (lap band OP isn't working for christie) and thinks they spout off positive message for this miserable and shameful campaign of the Trumpster. Shame on them no wonder he isn't winning because he doesn't have the stamina to be president for any voter except the poorly educated racist people that shout, fight, and spout their the at his rallies. Count me out on voting for the Trumpster!!
SHOWS US your taxes Trumpster. I work for the largest tax agency and I know you can show your taxes. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING Trumpster? He has dealt with migrant labor overseas and gets their passports and waits until they finish his building then he tries and successfully pays them pennies for their work and won't return their passports. What a guy! If you viewed on the program VICE it will show you how Trumpster works with hiring immigrants. Now he is begging for the african Americn voter by insulting them in his description of their neighborhoods is like being in a hell hole. Either the guy pleads innocent by not knowing any better or he is a straight up bigot who tweets white supremacy garage. He pals around with the fanatics like "the Rudy and oversized Christie" (lap band OP isn't working for christie) and thinks they spout off positive message for this miserable and shameful campaign of the Trumpster. Shame on them no wonder he isn't winning because he doesn't have the stamina to be president for any voter except the poorly educated racist people that shout, fight, and spout their the at his rallies. Count me out on voting for the Trumpster!!
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Americans are constantly told by sources such as Al Sharpton, the NAACP, the Black Congressional Caucus, MSNBC, Black Lives Matter, etc. ad nauseam how hard life is for African Americans. We're always told by the Left that this is a racist country and that blacks suffer grim statistics regarding crime, low test scores, poor housing, you name it. But suddenly when Donald Trump speaks the narrative that the Democrats have been telling everyone, well suddenly he's accused of being out of touch with reality and worse. Any objective person can see right through the biased spin of the NYT.
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There's a difference between actual reality and Trump's reality. If you are not familiar with the black community and have no interest in learning more, your narrow worldview works. However, those within and who know blacks know that things being difficult doesn't translate into 'violent hellscape'. Yes there is constant racism, and you shouldn't need "Al Sharpton, the NAACP, the Black Congressional Caucus, MSNBC, Black Lives Matter" or any person or group that actually cares enough to represent blacks to know this. Yes police violence is a problem for blacks. That doesn't mean there aren't wealthy and well-to do blacks - in fact, a lot of complaints about police racism stems from profiling wealthy blacks in mostly white neighborhoods!
There's also the fact that he is factually wrong. Trump's unemployment numbers are way off. 58% includes black teenagers. If you included white teens in unemployment, white numbers would be almost as high - hovering around 50%. I have black family members who live in poor areas of the city I grew up in, yes, but these areas are not "war zones". I have traveled to them many times without getting shot or robbed. Yes, there are areas that are dangerous, but they are not in the majority. If this is difficult to grasp you should speak to some actual black people.
Instead of blaming the NYT, why don't you actual speak to some blacks about where the disconnect is?
There's also the fact that he is factually wrong. Trump's unemployment numbers are way off. 58% includes black teenagers. If you included white teens in unemployment, white numbers would be almost as high - hovering around 50%. I have black family members who live in poor areas of the city I grew up in, yes, but these areas are not "war zones". I have traveled to them many times without getting shot or robbed. Yes, there are areas that are dangerous, but they are not in the majority. If this is difficult to grasp you should speak to some actual black people.
Instead of blaming the NYT, why don't you actual speak to some blacks about where the disconnect is?
People are getting offended about anything and everything -- Trump has been offending every one and not just blacks and latinos. What is new?
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You're correct. But as Trump makes his way through the Population, Groups, Demos, Religions,...folks are saying "He got us too!!"
"Trump has been offending every one"
"Trump has been offending every one"
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Trumpism is not "new", it's a contemporary repeat of the rightist/reactionary simplistic trash we heard from Governor Wallace in 1968
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So wait, I just want to be clear here.
The same media that relentlessly pounds us over the head with how bad the plight of Black America is - especially the NYT and CNN - now suddenly acknowledges that a great many blacks are living perfectly satisfying, productive and happy lives - in America? How can that be?
More than likely, this is just an article written with the sole purpose of contradicting Trump, and once this news cycle has passed, they'll get back to drumming up how horrible conditions are for blacks in the USA.
You really cannot make this stuff up.
The same media that relentlessly pounds us over the head with how bad the plight of Black America is - especially the NYT and CNN - now suddenly acknowledges that a great many blacks are living perfectly satisfying, productive and happy lives - in America? How can that be?
More than likely, this is just an article written with the sole purpose of contradicting Trump, and once this news cycle has passed, they'll get back to drumming up how horrible conditions are for blacks in the USA.
You really cannot make this stuff up.
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Sad how those not living in the crime zones are so opinionated and so knowlegable. Not sure those reading the NYT understand what life is like in crime ridden areas. I came from that enviroment but as a whte boy - it was easier to get out. Maybe some of the press and those who never lived in crime areas should go live there for 6 months especially in the summer. I think Trump has a better handle on the city crime and unemployment issues and how tough it is to get out and into the Atlanta or Newark or Chicago suburbs. Stop parachuting in and think just because you are ethnically connected you have a better understanding of daily life in those areas.
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The NYT has articles and opinion pieces galore about how bad things are for black America. Black leaders and liberals give speech after speech about how we have to help black America get on it's feet after years of racism and economic hardship imposed by Republicans. Now that narrative espoused by Trump couldn't be anymore wrong. He's an idiot! I'm indignant! Give me a break. Yes it's nuanced but you wouldn't know it from 90% of the media coverage. If you can't see how this article shows just how slanted this paper's coverage is, you are lost.
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It's the capitalist economy, stupid!
I can't decide what's more absurd.
The NYT running this story and deliberately refusing to let Black people who AGREE with Trump comment, or the NYT going back last night and adding a few cherry picked, delusional anecdotes to this bogus story to advance their narrative.
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, an actual Black man, with two Black parents and a bloodline going back 13 generations to slavery.
In less than 3 minutes, I could have Mr. Cohen and Mr. Washington in tears on the witness stand ripping to shreds their dishonest, delusional premise that they've never seen the Black community Mr. Trump speaks of. It takes me longer to lace up my dress shoes in the morning.
The NYT running this story and deliberately refusing to let Black people who AGREE with Trump comment, or the NYT going back last night and adding a few cherry picked, delusional anecdotes to this bogus story to advance their narrative.
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, an actual Black man, with two Black parents and a bloodline going back 13 generations to slavery.
In less than 3 minutes, I could have Mr. Cohen and Mr. Washington in tears on the witness stand ripping to shreds their dishonest, delusional premise that they've never seen the Black community Mr. Trump speaks of. It takes me longer to lace up my dress shoes in the morning.
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This is a big city newspaper where the writers apparently have never been to a bad area of a big city....or when they are there hold their hands over their eyes for fear.
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So Mr. Black lawyer with black parents and blah blah...How do you feel about Trump not renting to black people and having his employees use code words on their applications so they would know what color they were. Smells like a lawsuit if you ask me. Oh ya, it was.
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"I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC"
Since you manage to tell us this in just about every one of your comments, I daresay by now that we've got it. What does elude me, however, is why this fact is supposed to give extra weight to whatever point you are making. For something new, why don't you tell us in your next few posts how you aced the LSATS and how your canny arguments made mincemeat out of your law professors?
Since you manage to tell us this in just about every one of your comments, I daresay by now that we've got it. What does elude me, however, is why this fact is supposed to give extra weight to whatever point you are making. For something new, why don't you tell us in your next few posts how you aced the LSATS and how your canny arguments made mincemeat out of your law professors?
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It seems that the one major behavior for Trump today is to lie about any topic and to keep lying and repeating that lie until it sticks with people as reality. His followers don't seem to be bothered by the fact that everything that comes out of his mouth is calculated by his handlers and has nothing to do with Trump himself. Trump is an empty vessel that is filled with what his strategists feel will be a winning combination of planned speeches hand-fed to him. Whatever they feel sells will come out of his mouth. Whoever votes for Trump will be voting for the political reality show, not the man. I think this is probably the biggest con job ever attempted in U.S. politics. For them to actually win the election would be the end of our country as we know it, and obviously not for the better. In the future people will be looking back at this time in history wondering how so many people could be conned by this man and every political entity will have to live with and explain his current position and response to Trump’s candidacy.
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Donald J clearly speaks in the "us - them" phrasing of a hard line racist. "You’re living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed — what the hell do you have to lose?”
No public schools belong to one community - they belong to all of us; all children in our society are our children. No ethnic group owns poverty - it is problem all across America in rural American, in the urban core, and in the post-industrial communities throughout the country.
Real solutions need to come from aggressively pursued progressive policies not the trickle-down ideas from Trump who was sued successfully by the federal government for discriminatory practices in tens of thousands of rental units. Trump's lawyer in the suit - Roy Cohn - tells you all you need to know about Donald J's racism and true face.
No public schools belong to one community - they belong to all of us; all children in our society are our children. No ethnic group owns poverty - it is problem all across America in rural American, in the urban core, and in the post-industrial communities throughout the country.
Real solutions need to come from aggressively pursued progressive policies not the trickle-down ideas from Trump who was sued successfully by the federal government for discriminatory practices in tens of thousands of rental units. Trump's lawyer in the suit - Roy Cohn - tells you all you need to know about Donald J's racism and true face.
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Trump already has flip-flopped on his tax plan; now he's flip-flopping on immigration. He decried politicians who take donations; now he's taking donations. He decried teleprompters; now he's using teleprompters.
He is just as much a politician as the rest, but his supporters will still view him as an acceptable protest vote and they will ignore the obvious.
The one issue that I wrestle with: Is his fanning of racism and nativism dangerous, or is it good that he has exposed an ugly truth about our country that we will need to address?
He is just as much a politician as the rest, but his supporters will still view him as an acceptable protest vote and they will ignore the obvious.
The one issue that I wrestle with: Is his fanning of racism and nativism dangerous, or is it good that he has exposed an ugly truth about our country that we will need to address?
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If Trump won the presidency, he would probably refuse to take an oath to defend the constitution because it needs to be rewritten. He's nuts! It seems as though you have your eyes open more than most; however, his fanning of racism and nativism is purely political and he has no intentions of following through on or seeking any solutions.
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I don't think that Trump's mainly going after votes with this new initiative. I think that he's trying to sound less threatening to the poorly educated segments of Bernie's crowd, on the chance that if they're less alarmed about Trump (and further disgusted with Hillary's clown show, as her own impishness seems to guaranty), maybe they'll just stay home.
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We have poor whites living in rural areas which of course are not as dense as inner city areas where mostly people of color reside. The rural whites have many of the same problems as do the people living in the inner cities. It is not as reported on at least not until recently. Drugs, violence, crime and unemployment. Most blacks by the way do not live in poverty. For heaven's sake I have members of my family who are black, they are not poor and they are well educated.
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Against Mr. Trump's Birther and more recent history, and GOP sustained disenfranchisement efforts, this "initiative" has the flavor of tapping an African-American child on the head and saying "Good boy".
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I am supporting Donald Trump and will cast my vote for him. In economics, education achievement, social status, in those measureable areas this ethnic group has a large portion of it's population at the bottom. Look at the public schools and how democratic factions like teachers unions and organizations like the NAACP has a stranglehold on this groups children. Look at the graduation rate at HBCU's. According to the Journal Of Blacks in Higher Education (source US Department of Education) for 2014 five HBCU's schools had a graduation rate above 50% in six years of attendance. Texas Southern University rate is 12% in the same time frame. This is not the fault of the students but black society as a whole. Trump remark is correct, just look at these urban cities that has been under democratic control for decades. One could go on and on but why not admit the overall accuracy of what Donald trump stated. I'm voting for Donald Trump.
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Because... it's only accurate insofar as a certain population of blacks, and doesn't address the shortcomings of other groups? It's misleading? It doesn't address systemic issues that have nothing to do with Democratic mayors (hint: red herring alert!)? You're voting for Trump because his words match your preconceived bias about certain populations, and, maybe, you don't like Hillary.
Unfortunately for you, you're likely to be disappointed in the November election results.
Unfortunately for you, you're likely to be disappointed in the November election results.
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" One could go on and on but why not admit the overall accuracy of what Donald trump stated."
Just because his assessment may (or may not) have a kernel of truth in it, I don't for a hot second believe he'll do anything to solve the problem.
If I stick my arm through a window, any fool can tell me I'm bleeding. Trump has no solutions.
Just because his assessment may (or may not) have a kernel of truth in it, I don't for a hot second believe he'll do anything to solve the problem.
If I stick my arm through a window, any fool can tell me I'm bleeding. Trump has no solutions.
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You are voting for Trump for your own reasons.
African American voters have decided by 99% NOT to vote for Trump if polling is accurate. So start with what that tells you about what you do not know about these voters instead of mining right wing pamphlets to explain this.
One guess is the shameful lies about President Obama. Some things cannot be unsaid.
African American voters have decided by 99% NOT to vote for Trump if polling is accurate. So start with what that tells you about what you do not know about these voters instead of mining right wing pamphlets to explain this.
One guess is the shameful lies about President Obama. Some things cannot be unsaid.
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Trump should tone down is comments of reality. Reality has no place in politics, especially a Presidential election. The accepted language is called Political correctiveness. A language Trump does not understand, and cannot speak it. Could be compared to speaking Greek, or Chinese, hard to learn unless your part of the culture. I witnessed LBJ's Great Society designed to fix African American crime ridden Ghettos didn't work. Reason is clear it is everyone else fault. Visit my hometown of Chicago. We are proud we lead in murders and related Violence, all in one area. Our solution is segregation and tracking the murders by address, so we know it is contained.
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Ask not what you can do for your country, but rather, what your country can do for you.
Modern day liberals. Gimme gimme gimme free stuff.
Modern day liberals. Gimme gimme gimme free stuff.
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Jerry: I am a modern day liberal and never have or never will receive free stuff. I don't usually like free stuff. Where do you get this ludicrous information? You might want to consider doing better for yourself and others by voting for a sane person--Mrs Clinton.
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I am not in favor of Trump, but if this article's conclusions are based upon interviews "with roughly a dozen blacks", it does not constitute the kind of journalism, nor headline, I expect from the New York Times.
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Trump's words were never directed at Black Americans, but at white racists to let them know he understands the "code". It lets them know he's on the same page as them so they'll like him even more. He knows he'll never get the black vote.
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Sure sounds like a good description of the inner city's problems that we read about on a daily basis. Chicago ring a bell?
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No group in America has been more harmed by the Obama and Hillary Clinton’s policies than African-Americans and the 45,000,000 American's living in poverty. If Hillary Clinton’s goal was to inflict pain on the African-American community and the poor, she could not have done a better job. It’s a disgrace. I’m asking for the vote of every single African-American and American living in poverty in this country who wants to see a better future, vote for Donald Trump, he tells it like it is.
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Au contraire, my affluent African-American family has done phenomenally well under the Obama administration.
Proof that no good deed goes unpunished: "I tried to show my devotion to the black community with my lengthy (but worth every minute of it) birther campaign, and still blacks don't trust me - the ingrates."
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"What have you got to lose?" Food stamps, welfare, health insurance, housing,
affirmative action and the right to vote, among other things.
affirmative action and the right to vote, among other things.
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Hmm...food stamps and welfare...the gifts from the Democrats.
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...more like our integrity. Thank You.
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The image of Donald Trump, standing in the front of an all white audience in Mississippi -- a State, at one point in time, that was viewed as a symbol white racism --- delivering a warped speech, that provided a narrow, inaccurate, portrayal of Black American life, is sad. As for his message, other than President Lincoln, what has the Republican Party done for Black Americans?! The fact that Donald Trump is in a position to be President of the United States, demonstrates that racism is alive and well in America. Who is Donald Trump? He wins whether he is elected President or not. This election is great for his business brand and his image. He has not released his tax returns, so the public has limited financial knowledge about who they are electing President, or who Donald Trump is doing business with. He doesn't have a formal plan for anything. He has alienated just about every minority group in America. He has failed to demonstrate any knowledge about foreign affairs, he has not articulated any type domestic policy; and, to date, he has never truly been held accountable for these deficiencies. And yet he is running to be the President of the United States of America. The fact that "a Donald Trump" is a candidate for the Presidency of the United States (representing a major political party), shows that racism is alive and well in America.
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We should all be frightened that Trump could win. Now is the time to campaign for Hillary, in a swing state if possible! Tell your friends and neighbors that every vote counts. A vote for a third party would lessen her popular vote. There could be all kinds of mischief as November approaches and this election will be closer than we liberals think. We need a big turnout to repudiate Trump and all he stands for. For the sake of our children and grandchildren, please act now to get involved in ensuring that democracy is not lost on our watch!
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Trump doesn't understand the lives of most Americans, and even if he did he hasn't a clue as to how to improve the lives of all Americans. Instead of wanting to bring us all together to solve problems he instead tries to divide to conquer. He is wrong for America and even wrong for his core constituency who mistakenly think he will improve their lives. If Donald Trump is elected President of the U.S. his core constituency of bigoted haters and disillusioned dummies will really feel the pain (along with all the rest of us).
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Ultimately this is all about Hillary and the establishment which supports her. Trump is a bigot. Trump is dangerous. Trump is a Russian agent. Trump is bankrupt, etc. It goes on and on, and this flimsily documented article is just the latest. But ultimately nothing can repair the drip-drip-drip of all the questions raised by Hillary's use of e-mails and her foundation. She's always able to wriggle away from responsibility, but the old Hillary always comes back to haunt her. She's not new. She has nothing new to offer. America is just tired of both her and Bill and everything in their seedy past.
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Oh sure, turn Trump's stupidity regarding our black communities into an issue about Emails and the Clinton Foundation. Seedy past? What a cruel joke. The Clinton's indeed have acquired wealth over forty years but they have also been dedicated public servants who have done much to help the poor and disenfranchised in our country and around the world. Meanwhile Trump has literally lived in his gold-laden universe oblivious to the poor and their needs. He has a lot a nerve, the black community sees right through his self-serving sales job.
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Hillary can ONLY win by making Trump into all those things. She lies about him like she lies about everything else.
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It's about time you get to know YOUR candidate and read about the decades and decades of seedy, racist, foul dealings Tramp has perpetrated over the years. It's public record - get that library card out and a very comphy chair. Take the blinders off and stop pointing fingers, look at what is right in front of you. Who would trust someone not coming forth with their tax returns to boot? Sheisters like Tramp hide their truth.
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I guess the writer is unaware that homicides in Chicago are skyrocketing to levels never seen since the early 1990's.
Trump is talking about those people, not black doctors, lawyers, accountants and teachers, for goodness sake.
The New York Times editorial page and news page are now one.
Trump is talking about those people, not black doctors, lawyers, accountants and teachers, for goodness sake.
The New York Times editorial page and news page are now one.
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Since you are not from Chicago, let me help you. Trump didn't say "only the Black people in poor communities which are suffering," which is what you are implying. Instead, he said nothing about the Black people EVEN YOU seem to know exist. I left an affluent, white suburb to move back to Chicago and I don't live under the conditions he described. I have nothing against many Republicans -- I have the ability to see them as individuals.
My question for you and Trump. He has created, in his own words, thousands of jobs. How many of those did he give to Black people? New York City has a high level of educated, accomplished Black people. Why didn't he hire them if he is so concerned about the state of Black America?
Everyone who is defending him should just stop.
My question for you and Trump. He has created, in his own words, thousands of jobs. How many of those did he give to Black people? New York City has a high level of educated, accomplished Black people. Why didn't he hire them if he is so concerned about the state of Black America?
Everyone who is defending him should just stop.
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He said "in many cases." His words obviously do not apply to the black middle class. But since you brought it up, have you ever heard the phrase "last hired, first fired"--? Blacks have never fully recovered from the 2008 financial collapse. Black homeownership has drastically reclined. By the way if you check out the North Shore suburbs of Chicago, you won't find too many blacks there, will you? Trump wants to bring back American jobs. It's a color blind solution that will help all socioeconomic groups without regard to race, color, or creed. I would say that's a better policy than the exploitation of identity politics by the hypocritical Democrats, many of whom live on the glittering North Shore and have never hired a single person in their entire lives. I think Hillary fits that picture, don't you?
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As an African American female voter I am beyond offended by the GOP nominee. Where do I begin? My parents always told me to ignore bullies and bigots as in reality they are cowards and have a very low sense of self. The GOP nominee nor my disgraced party of Lincoln are worth the mental energy, my vote or continued registration as a Republican. Election 2016 has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the GOP never truly cared about or were sincere about reaching out to Americans brown, yellow, red, black or white. None are precious in their sight.
What offends me more is that the GOP nominee's obvious deficit of character, proven lack of ability or temperament for being the President of the United States of America, and his vulgar language in person and on social media, none of it matters to Evangelical Christians. And I'm one. I'm offended by those who betray the name and character of Christ.
Then cried they all again, saying...Give us Barabbas. John 18:14
What offends me more is that the GOP nominee's obvious deficit of character, proven lack of ability or temperament for being the President of the United States of America, and his vulgar language in person and on social media, none of it matters to Evangelical Christians. And I'm one. I'm offended by those who betray the name and character of Christ.
Then cried they all again, saying...Give us Barabbas. John 18:14
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Speaking as a small town Floridian, a white woman of 63 years, an ole hippy and a life long Democrat, living in a cauldron of transplanted Republicans and Trump supporting Northerners from Michigan and Ohio and New York and Indiana and Illinois and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Minnesota etc...
Trump did not just insult people of color in his speech about blacks - to a white audience because he was afraid to speak directly to a black audience which - as Carson put it - might be too "hostile".
He also managed to insult us white voters by assuming we did not have the intelligence to either figure out what he was doing, or resist his clarion call to think he was "born again" in the guise of a man who is concerned about people of color, no matter their lot in life.
Trump relies on short memories (by inundating us with a barrage of atrocities we will forget at least some of them - fat chance) and the inability of people to watch and learn and form an opinion about a person based upon a lifetime of his or her actions - not just what they said last - in a political campaign no less.
A man who has so little regard for the American people cannot lead them.
Trump did not just insult people of color in his speech about blacks - to a white audience because he was afraid to speak directly to a black audience which - as Carson put it - might be too "hostile".
He also managed to insult us white voters by assuming we did not have the intelligence to either figure out what he was doing, or resist his clarion call to think he was "born again" in the guise of a man who is concerned about people of color, no matter their lot in life.
Trump relies on short memories (by inundating us with a barrage of atrocities we will forget at least some of them - fat chance) and the inability of people to watch and learn and form an opinion about a person based upon a lifetime of his or her actions - not just what they said last - in a political campaign no less.
A man who has so little regard for the American people cannot lead them.
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Here, here. I always believed that this latest tactic was even more insulting to the white voters he was trying to seduce.
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If Trump really lives in New York City, he needs to spend more time away from his Midtown palace. Yesterday evening, in a city with past mayors of all three parties, we walked historic streets of Harlem and El Barrio (sometimes called Spanish Harlem) from 138th & Malcolm X Blvd to 116th and 1st Avenue, past parks and community gardens, Hunter College, subsidized housing and million dollar renovated brownstones, exchanging “hello” with strangers along the way. Not “Black America”, just “America.” Crime is down, employment is up. I could excuse Trump’s comments if he lived in a mountain cabin without electricity, but his prejudice and ignorance of our country and even the city he sometimes lives in, is offensive and inexcusable. Life is good. Trump is not.
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FYI Hunter College is at 68th and Park Ave. perhaps you meant City College which is on 138 street in Harlem. Unless you walked from Harlem to the Upper East Side.
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There is also Hunter College School of Social Work in East Harlem on 119th and 3rd Ave. Fairly new, another testament to the city's growth!
Robert those areas have gentrified; why don't you stroll some evening through the Bronx near 3rd Ave and 170th St
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What have you got to lose?
Uh.. voting rights, for starts.
But as usual, Trump is thinking of himself. With 0 or 1% of the African American vote, he is the one with nothing to lose.
Uh.. voting rights, for starts.
But as usual, Trump is thinking of himself. With 0 or 1% of the African American vote, he is the one with nothing to lose.
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The whole obsession with race in our country is sickening. We should be focusing our attention on being American first, dealing with the drug epidemic, high cost of living and decaying infrastructure.....especially in the New York City region. Both candidates are now pandering to citizens of color. Pathetic choice of candidates on both ends.
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Stupid Donald's comments regarding the election being "stolen" in Philadelphia is a racist dog whistle so loud it's almost audible; as if the African-American population is so malleable and dishonest it is bereft of political conviction, can be swayed and easily intimidated by angry white men in Trump ball caps.
Stupid Donald then confirms this misconception of Black America with an "outreach" to African-Americans that is blatant pandering to the same demographic he has insulted with his "stolen election and voter observation" comment.
Forget a psychological profile of Trump. Give Stupid Donald an IQ test.
Stupid Donald then confirms this misconception of Black America with an "outreach" to African-Americans that is blatant pandering to the same demographic he has insulted with his "stolen election and voter observation" comment.
Forget a psychological profile of Trump. Give Stupid Donald an IQ test.
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Well Trump can register an achievement after all. He got this newspaper and lots of its liberal and progressive readers to write that the condition of black America is not unrelentingly awful and backsliding to Jim Crow. It isn't, of course, but given the starkly different view that has covered these pages for so long, that is something.
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Trump claims to have discovered shocking concealed realities everyday, and the news media print them as factual headlines without demanding proof.
We haven't seen anything like this since Joe McCarthy used to make national speeches while waving a piece of paper that he claimed was a list of communists and spies in the government.
When the news media become accomplices in someone's personal program of national destruction, the country is in serious trouble.
We haven't seen anything like this since Joe McCarthy used to make national speeches while waving a piece of paper that he claimed was a list of communists and spies in the government.
When the news media become accomplices in someone's personal program of national destruction, the country is in serious trouble.
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We only slide back towards Jim Crow when republicans are in charge.
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The notion that African American voters should cast their votes for demonstrably racist Donald Trump because recent Democrats have been unable to eradicate centuries of racial oppression in the Country, is perhaps the most cynical gambit of Trump's racially regressive campaign.
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Mr. Trump's rhetoric on immigration, economics, trade, the military, veterans, race and taxes are completely absent of any explanation of how these policies could be implemented. Most are completely void of facts. He has no idea how congress works or how the implications of his suggested vague policies would impact Constitutional law. The conversations the media has validating his candidacy are attempts to continue their ratings. No one really thinks this guy can be an effective leader of the free world. His supporters must constantly attempt to clarify his insane statements and positions and how they do this with a straight face is laughable. Articles like this are a waste of the NYT's readers time.
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Good morning from Capitol Hill!
This NY Times story just gets more bizarre by the day.
Yesterday this "news" story broke, with a misleading headline that insulted ME as a Black lawyer in Washington DC, an actual Black man who is a 13th generation descendant of slaves and sharecroppers.
So the NYT changed the headline. Three times.
For hours White liberals have been making the most patronizing, offensive comments imaginable about Black people to "defend" Obama (the Black President who isn't Black) and the failed liberal policies that created the environment that Mr. Trump RIGHTLY speaks about.
Today the Times adds another embarrassing layer to the story, pasting a 35 year old Black man's photo and incredibly ignorant statements on full display.
It's not enough for the White liberal establishment media to place all of us in a political and intellectual box as rabid, blind Obama loyalists--to say "all" Blacks loathe Trump (a headline that actually appeared in this paper), now we have Black people cherry picked by the White liberal authors of this story pretending what Mr. Trump is talking about doesn't exist.
Nate Cohen chastises Trump for going on what he "sees on TV" yet the entirety of the narrative that Trump is racist has COME directly from the press. How many Black people who openly, brazenly condemn Donald Trump as a racist have met Mr. Trump in person? Spoken to him? Hint: Zero.
This article is a sickening commentary on what's wrong in this country.
This NY Times story just gets more bizarre by the day.
Yesterday this "news" story broke, with a misleading headline that insulted ME as a Black lawyer in Washington DC, an actual Black man who is a 13th generation descendant of slaves and sharecroppers.
So the NYT changed the headline. Three times.
For hours White liberals have been making the most patronizing, offensive comments imaginable about Black people to "defend" Obama (the Black President who isn't Black) and the failed liberal policies that created the environment that Mr. Trump RIGHTLY speaks about.
Today the Times adds another embarrassing layer to the story, pasting a 35 year old Black man's photo and incredibly ignorant statements on full display.
It's not enough for the White liberal establishment media to place all of us in a political and intellectual box as rabid, blind Obama loyalists--to say "all" Blacks loathe Trump (a headline that actually appeared in this paper), now we have Black people cherry picked by the White liberal authors of this story pretending what Mr. Trump is talking about doesn't exist.
Nate Cohen chastises Trump for going on what he "sees on TV" yet the entirety of the narrative that Trump is racist has COME directly from the press. How many Black people who openly, brazenly condemn Donald Trump as a racist have met Mr. Trump in person? Spoken to him? Hint: Zero.
This article is a sickening commentary on what's wrong in this country.
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Funny to see you, DCB, worrying about "White liberal establishment media" generalizing and placing "'all of us'" in a "box".
Only yesterday, YOU posted THIS offensive generalization:
"At this point, I'd be satisfied if there was one Obama supporter in this country who has ever told the truth or been respectful of other points of view in their entire lives. As of today, that person doesn't exist."
Only yesterday, YOU posted THIS offensive generalization:
"At this point, I'd be satisfied if there was one Obama supporter in this country who has ever told the truth or been respectful of other points of view in their entire lives. As of today, that person doesn't exist."
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I'd say you are a sickening commentary on what's wrong with this country. America has too many stubbornly ignorant, delusional, hate-filled people, and that's our main problem.
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Trump simply stakes out positions. He has no core values; he has no complex knowledge base. So his "positions" often conflict. It's a hopeless morass of confused ideas and assertions backed up by nothing except that the crowd went wild when he uttered them.
He has no regard for human beings other than himself and his family. He's surely passed along his ease of lying to his childre, who blithely support him, regardless of how poor his logic or how cruel his behavior and opinions.
We all need to unite against this scourge on our land. We need all hands on deck! From now till November. And afterward. We cannot fail in our joint effort to bring down a demogogue!
Hillary is not perfect. I know that. We all know that. We have to hold her feet to the fire - while carrying her to the finish line nevertheless. Please, folks, don't pull a Nader on us!
He has no regard for human beings other than himself and his family. He's surely passed along his ease of lying to his childre, who blithely support him, regardless of how poor his logic or how cruel his behavior and opinions.
We all need to unite against this scourge on our land. We need all hands on deck! From now till November. And afterward. We cannot fail in our joint effort to bring down a demogogue!
Hillary is not perfect. I know that. We all know that. We have to hold her feet to the fire - while carrying her to the finish line nevertheless. Please, folks, don't pull a Nader on us!
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Excessive criminlizstion of drugs and fallout from global trade deals are 2 Clinton policies that are at ground zero of our urban decay. Trump says, in essence, my competitor's policies have been extremely harmful to blacks, so why not try a new approach. And of course, what's everybody do? Shoot the messenger. Look, Trump is a crude buffoon, but that doesn't make him wrong on this subject.
I hold out little hope that race relations will ever improve. There's too much emotional conflict, and not enough honest, rationale dialog. The excessive, over the top victim narrative & passive-aggressive identity politics are never going to set things right. Only self-inspired, introspective change is ever going to help improve urban & racial experience so we can all be equal partners and collaborators in a healthy society.
I hold out little hope that race relations will ever improve. There's too much emotional conflict, and not enough honest, rationale dialog. The excessive, over the top victim narrative & passive-aggressive identity politics are never going to set things right. Only self-inspired, introspective change is ever going to help improve urban & racial experience so we can all be equal partners and collaborators in a healthy society.
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I have reviewed the statistics at the National Center for Education Statistics "Fast Facts" sheet, which I suspect is where you found your data, and I believe you have grossly, grossly misinterpreted it. Please understand statistics before using them to support your argument.
It is true that more African-American women than men get advanced degrees. It is NOT true that white men are 7th in obtaining advanced degrees. Not sure where you got that statistic; I do not believe it is true even if using "per capita" normalization.
It is true that more African-American women than men get advanced degrees. It is NOT true that white men are 7th in obtaining advanced degrees. Not sure where you got that statistic; I do not believe it is true even if using "per capita" normalization.
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But dosen't the NYTs portray blacks the same way as Trump? With the additional element that all of the social and economic problems of blacks are caused by racism and discrimination?
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No.
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"Interviews with roughly a dozen blacks here turned up no one who found any appeal in Mr. Trump’s remarks."
Small sample size not representative of the black population (or as Hillary would call it "cherry picking") means nothing beyond buttressing the NY Times blind support for Hillary. The article mentions 25% of blacks living in poverty. How many of the 12 interviewed by the Times met that profile?
Only the kool aid drinkers of the Left believe the NY Times is a news organization. The rest of us know it's an extension of the Democrat propaganda machine.
Small sample size not representative of the black population (or as Hillary would call it "cherry picking") means nothing beyond buttressing the NY Times blind support for Hillary. The article mentions 25% of blacks living in poverty. How many of the 12 interviewed by the Times met that profile?
Only the kool aid drinkers of the Left believe the NY Times is a news organization. The rest of us know it's an extension of the Democrat propaganda machine.
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Can we just vote already and get this over with? What more do we need to know?
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"Previous Republican nominees more formal outreach has had limited success." In the last two presidential cycles those nominees carried one in ten black votes. I'm wondering what your definition of failure is, "in a limited way."
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As a New Yorker, Trump must know there are a great many accomplished, successful African Americans in every field of business. Thanks to the New York city and state educational system, there are two generations of black workers walking the streets of Manhattan. If Trump were not a mental cripple, he could look around him and see the truth. Instead he speaks of "your poverty" and insults hard-working people who will never vote for him.
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Trump does not read...unless it's about Trump. He gets his information from TV...but really only watches himself. He says he addresses issues "from (his) gut"...period. How on earth could he be expected to offer anything of any substance on this issue (or any other issue for that matter.)
Since the media effectively selects and defines the candidates we get to know, I would be more interested to know what black Americans think about the role that the NY Times, and other mainstream media outlets, play in representing the issues of concern to them.
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I thought it was revealing when Trump referred to African Americans and Hispanics as "our friends". They're not our friends. They're American citizens.
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Why would any republican ever even try to court the black vote? No matter what a republican says or does it will be spun in such a way the he will be ridiculed. The democrats have been horrific for blacks but they own the black vote and that won't change anytime soon. The republicans are better off putting their time and efforts somewhere else.
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Trump's campaign is all about knee jerk reaction. He needs to get that spasm looked at.
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If one is constantly told (as they are by the Democrat Party's agenda!)
that they are a VICTIM. . . and they believe it. . . -then they are most surely VICTIMS!
Somehow, I don't think Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice or Dr. Ben Carson came to adulthood believing the Democrats' lies that they were victims. . . for clearly, they were not!
that they are a VICTIM. . . and they believe it. . . -then they are most surely VICTIMS!
Somehow, I don't think Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice or Dr. Ben Carson came to adulthood believing the Democrats' lies that they were victims. . . for clearly, they were not!
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if Trump weren't running for president this would be funny. America has changed the 50's are a thing of the past. No more "Leave it to Beaver, Mayberry or Happy Days. Guess what? For those folks who identify as "white" and believe that somehow you are special IT'S OVER!
No one person or group should be considered special in the sense of superior. That is elitism. What I see is a bunch of moralizing by neo-Puritans based on little to no evidence. Scapegoating and bullying on the basis of virtue or lack thereof has become the norm and if the facts don't matter, we can invent them (or statistics or cherry picked anecdotes .
Trump is getting so much newspaper coverage....and he is the most
revolting candidate....ever....
I liken Trump to that bigot Senator Joseph McCarthy....
Journalists....Please this jackal Trump is not a Rose is a Rose...He is
a Skunk is a Skunk.....and journalists...Skunks STINK !!!
revolting candidate....ever....
I liken Trump to that bigot Senator Joseph McCarthy....
Journalists....Please this jackal Trump is not a Rose is a Rose...He is
a Skunk is a Skunk.....and journalists...Skunks STINK !!!
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Spot on. They even had the same lawyer working for them: Roy Cohn.
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Trump is trying to reach to Black America, Trump is softening his stand on the 11 Million undocumented... is that an indication that the "Wall" will not be built? There goes my brick business! Then why did I vote for you Donald J. Trump in the primaries? I want my vote back!
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gee Donald, is this what "your" African American supporter says. reminder to all new England patriot fans, your quarterback is best buddies with this fine gentlemen and wants him to be president. please vote with your pocketbooks as well as your ballets. in fact, a general boycott of all things trump-related seems most overdue. this clown cares only about his bank account so it's way past time to retaliate financially against bozo. where are the picketlines in front of trump properties and those of his supporters? the time is now for all of us appalled citizenry to make the little fascist and his buddies pay...
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Data show that there has been little change in Black to white income ratios since 1992. That is 24 years.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0882775.html
It seems to me that more progress should be made, but I am not convinced that either Trump or Clinton will make any progress.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0882775.html
It seems to me that more progress should be made, but I am not convinced that either Trump or Clinton will make any progress.
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I understand your concern that neither Trump or Clinton will actually make progress on our problems. It seems to me that at least with Trump there is a reasonable chance, though. Clinton has a life time of ties to the very factors and influences that prevent that change from ever occurring (what did she do for New York State?). With Donald, there is a real chance he will deliver. Additionally, he has actually accomplished giant projects all over the world. He understands money. These factors, it seems to me, should be considered.
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No-one is arguing that the statistics Trump used in his speech are wrong. This speech wasn't meant to dissect the nuances within the black or white experiences. If 58% of any group's young adults is unemployed, meaning they want to work and cannot get a job, then step up and recognize there is a problem that hasn't been addressed by the current administration. A problem that won't be address by a continuation of the current administration.
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The so-called statistics are fabricated by Trump for impact. Check the Bureau of Labor Statistics for the real numbers. And word to the wise, don't believe everything you hear. Especially if it comes out of the mouth of Trump.
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Good reporting here, except for the lack of relating the Trump remarks to the kinds of news coverage of elements of the black community which does fit the Trump narrative. Yes, it isn't comprehensive; but the news upon which that narrative is the dominate theme is skewed badly as well. It is because of the constant news stories of violence and dispair that such views are shaped...largely by what this and other papers report; failure to report on what is reported upon here is as much a failure as the comments of Trump which just mirrors the dominate news themes. Do more of these stories and take some responsibility for the incomplete picture the public receives on a daily basis.
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This is some of the laziest reporting I have ever seen. The interviews of a dozen black people were conducted at an "upscale" venue "on Wednesday in Atlanta." How about going into the ghetto on s Saturday night? What would one see?
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You wouldn't see anything different ed. While I agree that a dozen interviews at an upscale venue isn't a fair sample, I really doubt that it made much of a difference here. Trump has been polling terribly among black people for the entire election. Among the 1% that support him, I suspect that a disproportionate percentage of them live outside the urban areas or the "ghetto" as you put it. This is particularly telling because his rhetoric at the RNC, and since then, has been targeted to black people in major cities. Despite his speaking points, he hasn't made any genuine effort to engage with these communities. Trust me, this failure to reach out will be noticed even by the random interviewee in the "ghetto" on a Saturday night.
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Is this even news? African-Americans as a group are the most bias voting block in the USA. If the Pope was labeled a republican he would capture only 5 percent of the vote. This article is just another democratic filler piece. Very subtle.
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To the Editor: this article was a huge disservice to your readers and a major lapse in journalistic courage. The story isn't Trump offending Black Americans. That's easy. Their distaste for him has been evident in the polls for a long time.
The real story is: Trump's proclamations contain painful kernels of truth, but will Black Americans be swayed by them?
1) "Only about one out of every four households receiving food stamps in 2014 was black, according to the United States Department of Agriculture." That means 25% of food stamp recipients are a demographic constituting just under 15% of the entire US population. Those are significant odds.
2) The median household income for African-Americans was $35,481 according to the US Census Bureau. The median for all races is $53,657. Black Americans place fifth, behind Asians ($74,105), Whites ($57,355), Pacific Islanders ($52,815), Native Americans ($37,227). Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States...
3) The Bureau of Justice reports that the lifetime likelihood of imprisonment for US Black male residents born in 2001 is 1 in 3. For all men---white, Latino and Black---it's 1 in 9. (For white it's 1 in 17.) Go here: http://www.sentencingproject.org/criminal-justice-facts/
Clearly SOMETHING is amiss. "Systemic racism". Okay, I'm on board. But Trump's basic pitch---"what have you got to lose?"---isn't completely delusional given the facts above.
The real story is: Trump's proclamations contain painful kernels of truth, but will Black Americans be swayed by them?
1) "Only about one out of every four households receiving food stamps in 2014 was black, according to the United States Department of Agriculture." That means 25% of food stamp recipients are a demographic constituting just under 15% of the entire US population. Those are significant odds.
2) The median household income for African-Americans was $35,481 according to the US Census Bureau. The median for all races is $53,657. Black Americans place fifth, behind Asians ($74,105), Whites ($57,355), Pacific Islanders ($52,815), Native Americans ($37,227). Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States...
3) The Bureau of Justice reports that the lifetime likelihood of imprisonment for US Black male residents born in 2001 is 1 in 3. For all men---white, Latino and Black---it's 1 in 9. (For white it's 1 in 17.) Go here: http://www.sentencingproject.org/criminal-justice-facts/
Clearly SOMETHING is amiss. "Systemic racism". Okay, I'm on board. But Trump's basic pitch---"what have you got to lose?"---isn't completely delusional given the facts above.
Trump's bumbling attempts at reaching out to Blacks and Latinos is hampered by one simple fact: Empathizing with a group, any group, requires that you have some semblance of emotional attachment to them. Trump has none.
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Blacks are around 12% of the population, but nearly 65% of the male prison population. That is stunning proof that black America needs a lot of help. Successful blacks need to recognize this crisis instead of reminding themselves that they are doing well. Slamming Trump for focusing on the crisis is hypocritical. Black leaders often say much of what Trump has said. His rallies are all covered big time by the media and the white audiences in front of him are far exceeded by the larger mixed television audience. The question should only be would Trump match his stated sympathies with real action, not whether he is overstating the crisis.
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It is stunning proof of white supremacy and a racist criminal "Justice" system. Just think about all the drugs those Wall Street execs use from Friday to Sunday (they are wild) but Black boys get arrested for marijuana possession - and the cycle begins/continues.
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Trump's divisive and racist comments are meant to provoke his listeners and draw attention to himself. His appeal to the black electorate is a sham. He is not trustworthy and incapable have grappling with complicated issues that face our country. Although revenue driven media outlets like to promote a WWF like show, the reality is that Republicans, Democrats, independents alike, from all of our diverse racial, religious and ethnic groups, are joining together to insure that Trump is not elected President. Hillary Clinton has her issues, to be sure, but Trump is dangerous and unfit to Predident.
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I believe Anthony Simpson said it best "He eventually was going to get around to it." in regards to the offensive way Trump has reached out to black voters.
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I believe that across America there are many people of all races and creeds who support DJT but keep silent for fear of ridicule and retribution from far left thought control. Heads will spin the day after the election when DJT emerges as the next president of the USA. The American left will not know what hit them, they will be scratching the heads, if they can stop them from spinning, trying to figure out why Americans did not vote for HRC.
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I'm a Black Trump supporter and 18 comments I've made in support of Trump didn't make it into the comment section.
The NYT is sitting on comments from Black people who agree with Trump to advance this insulting, offensive narrative. That's what's happening.
The NYT is sitting on comments from Black people who agree with Trump to advance this insulting, offensive narrative. That's what's happening.
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You probably also believe in "Sweet Home Alabama" and the South's gonna do it again.
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@DCBarrister: I know the frustration you feel, often my comments don't make it either. Just keep posting.
Trumps says something and massive denial follows. What happened to blacks in America? Did eight years of Obama solve all their problems created in America for 400 years?
More important is what is Trump going to do about it?
Build a new Trump Tower in every black ghetto? Hire more black household help? Invite blacks to join David Dukes KKK? Deport them along with all immigrants and Islamics so America can fullfil its Manifest Destiny? Give bigger tips to blacks?
Pay along with his one percent a fair amount of taxes?
Stop all the effort to eliminate blacks as a potential political force?
Send his wonderful all very white family to black communities as volunteers?
Send his kids to wars to protect the rights of the one percentage to keep getting richer?
Not.
No, what he will do is have a British citizen and Putin advise him on American foreign policy to protect all one percenters worldwide.
More important is what is Trump going to do about it?
Build a new Trump Tower in every black ghetto? Hire more black household help? Invite blacks to join David Dukes KKK? Deport them along with all immigrants and Islamics so America can fullfil its Manifest Destiny? Give bigger tips to blacks?
Pay along with his one percent a fair amount of taxes?
Stop all the effort to eliminate blacks as a potential political force?
Send his wonderful all very white family to black communities as volunteers?
Send his kids to wars to protect the rights of the one percentage to keep getting richer?
Not.
No, what he will do is have a British citizen and Putin advise him on American foreign policy to protect all one percenters worldwide.
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Trump and black voters mix like oil and water.
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Trump is so racist he doesn't even recognize that he's racist. Ingrained racism makes for a dangerous person - especially one who is seeking the highest office in our nation. If anyone doesn't think Trump's statement was racist, try substituting your own race or nationality plus one or two stereotypes and see how it sounds.
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Were his statistics incorrect? Or is it just impolite to mention them?
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I know there are neighborhoods in the country where Trump's statements might fit some of the people. I also know there are many other neighborhoods in the country where Trump's blanket statements would be unrecognizable. I happen to live in one of those communities. As for fooling around with statistics, I wouldn't even begin to do that. I don't have enough knowledge. We need to hope that those running for the highest office can back up what they state as 'facts.' Trump has shown me by multiple previous statements that his people have not done their homework. Are they correct now? Maybe. Maybe not.
I'm white and I don't buy a word this guys says about black Americans. After all he is the founding father of the Birther Movement which attempted to denigrate our very successful president who happens to be black.
Donald Trump isn't trying to win black votes. He's trying to show moderate but conservative whites that he's not a racist. The ones who have been turned off by his abhorrent rhetoric but still do want to vote for Clinton.
Problem is I believe he is a racist. At least to some degree. He stereotypes people. And what's more, I'm very convinced he's a sociopath.
He will say and do anything to become the president.
Donald Trump isn't trying to win black votes. He's trying to show moderate but conservative whites that he's not a racist. The ones who have been turned off by his abhorrent rhetoric but still do want to vote for Clinton.
Problem is I believe he is a racist. At least to some degree. He stereotypes people. And what's more, I'm very convinced he's a sociopath.
He will say and do anything to become the president.
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Amazing! It takes Donald Trump to get the NY Times to extol how well off most Black people are. Who would have believed it?
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@David, two weeks ago the same NYT plastered a photo of a Black man in a casket on the front page along with a full spread about the poverty, violence and troubles of the Black community.
Now suddenly everything is just fine and Donald Trump isn't telling the truth about this.
Now suddenly everything is just fine and Donald Trump isn't telling the truth about this.
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If people want jobs, good paying jobs and a variety to chose from, if people want a secure future from the insanity of muslim extremists, if anyone wishes his or her children to grow into a world that is better than their own -- then voting for Donald Trump IS the answer. People whose lives are stunted by crime and drugs surrounding them -- then Donald Trump is the answer. I am basing this on the fact that Mr. Trump is a man who has accomplished huge and successful projects all around the world. He is accustomed to making large decisions. He gets things done. And he deeply understands money. With Hillary Clinton it will just be more of the same. At least with Donal Trump there is a good chance he will actually be able to deliver.
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Deliver what? The country in bankruptcy? He makes NOTHING in the USA and pays NO taxes ---- the person you wrote about sounds lovely, but it isn't Donald Trump.
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Please, let us NEVER FORGET trumps own personal ginned-up version of what it means to be a racist when he carried the banner for the birther movement.
Doubting the first African American presidents legitimacy of birth is the perfect way to alienate Black Americans.
Doubting the first African American presidents legitimacy of birth is the perfect way to alienate Black Americans.
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This is Trump on script and toned down?!!!! This will do nothing to change the demographic of his support: white, ignorant and gullible.
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Of course black Americans see through Trump.
They've had centuries of experience listening to rich, powerful white men tell them that they can't take care of themselves and how good they have it on the plantation.
They've had centuries of experience listening to rich, powerful white men tell them that they can't take care of themselves and how good they have it on the plantation.
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"Donald Trump's Description of Black America Is Offending Those Living in It"
No, Donald Trump is describing what years of political neglect has done to "Black America" especially urban "Black America." Pick a city any large city in the United States with a large Black population and look how political neglect has left the Black people. The politicians are all well off, the people they "serve" not so much.
It will get worse under a party that wants to legalize those illegal foreign workers already here and bring in more of them to compete with our Black citizens over the few jobs remaining. Sorry NYT but you picked the wrong "agenda" to back, one that will NOT help OUR poor.
No, Donald Trump is describing what years of political neglect has done to "Black America" especially urban "Black America." Pick a city any large city in the United States with a large Black population and look how political neglect has left the Black people. The politicians are all well off, the people they "serve" not so much.
It will get worse under a party that wants to legalize those illegal foreign workers already here and bring in more of them to compete with our Black citizens over the few jobs remaining. Sorry NYT but you picked the wrong "agenda" to back, one that will NOT help OUR poor.
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You must have missed the news about Mr Trump's visit with Hispanic supporters, during which he reportedly told them he wanted to find avenues for those already here without documentation to becomes citizens, perhaps by filling out some paperwork at their home country's embassy or consulate. Your imaginary candidate who is going to ship all 11 million undocumented immigrants off our shores doesn't intend to do any such thing, and never has. Even he's smart enough not to believe his own rhetoric.
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Jen - "Your imaginary candidate who is going to ship all 11 million undocumented immigrants off our shores doesn't intend to do any such thing,"
No, Jen not really but your "real" candidate has already stated categorically that she will give amnesty to all 11+ million illegal aliens, wants more refugees, and open borders. Can't see that difference?
No, Jen not really but your "real" candidate has already stated categorically that she will give amnesty to all 11+ million illegal aliens, wants more refugees, and open borders. Can't see that difference?
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I'm no Trump Supporter (Gary Johnson for President!!!) the NYT coverage of this issue is silly. They went to an "upscale" food court, found a retired black man, and used him to point out how well things are going for blacks in America. Odds are if you're reading the NYT you're employed-look around and see how many blacks work in your office, your company, etc. 25 years ago I was invited to give a talk to the Society for Black Engineers at Cornell as a recruiting tool. Why? In an office of over 100 people we had 1 black shipping clerk, 1 black secretary, and 0 black professionals. I respectfully declined the honor. 25 years later my entire team has 1 black professional. I can't say that much has really changed other than the overwhelming rate of incarceration of blacks.
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I have 3 black professional engineers on my staff of 17. Maybe you are working for the wrong company.
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Here are the real facts for those that would rather comment and watch TV than do a google search:
From the BLS: The July 2016 unemployment rates for young men (12.0 percent), women (10.8 percent),
Whites (9.9 percent), Blacks (20.6 percent), Asians (10.0 percent), and Hispanics (11.3 percent). From April to July 2016, the number of employed youth 16 to 24 years old increased by
1.9 million to 20.5 million, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported. This
year, 53.2 percent of young people were employed in July, little changed from a year earlier.
I am black, 35y/o, college educated, no criminal record, and I have only been unemployed for the first 14 years of my life.
From the BLS: The July 2016 unemployment rates for young men (12.0 percent), women (10.8 percent),
Whites (9.9 percent), Blacks (20.6 percent), Asians (10.0 percent), and Hispanics (11.3 percent). From April to July 2016, the number of employed youth 16 to 24 years old increased by
1.9 million to 20.5 million, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported. This
year, 53.2 percent of young people were employed in July, little changed from a year earlier.
I am black, 35y/o, college educated, no criminal record, and I have only been unemployed for the first 14 years of my life.
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Good morning from Washington DC @HCharles.
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, who worked 3 jobs to pay my way through college and law school, and I've met Barack Obama.
The first time I met Obama, I became a registered Republican a few days later.
The second time I met Obama was here in Washington, at a Congressional Black Caucus formal event where Obama talked down to the Black audience using a fake Black preacher accent as if we can't understand Obama if he speaks to us the same way Obama speaks to White people.
Barack Obama isn't Black, and not from TV but personal experience dating all the way back to my time at Harvard, it is no secret that Obama resents Black men, dating back to Obama's childhood.
Barack Obama hasn't lifted a finger to help the Black Community. I mentor kids in the poorest Black neighborhood in Washington DC. I've never seen Obama there. Never at a coat drive. Never handing out holiday care packages. Never sitting with the elderly. Never talking to the kids. And Obama isn't even a $5 cab ride away.
A few photo ops at food pantries and charities that serve the undocumented illegal population here in Washington DC isn't what I call outreach to a Black community in need.
Obama is a disgrace. Things will get better for all of us when Obama is the FORMER president. They can't get worse.
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, who worked 3 jobs to pay my way through college and law school, and I've met Barack Obama.
The first time I met Obama, I became a registered Republican a few days later.
The second time I met Obama was here in Washington, at a Congressional Black Caucus formal event where Obama talked down to the Black audience using a fake Black preacher accent as if we can't understand Obama if he speaks to us the same way Obama speaks to White people.
Barack Obama isn't Black, and not from TV but personal experience dating all the way back to my time at Harvard, it is no secret that Obama resents Black men, dating back to Obama's childhood.
Barack Obama hasn't lifted a finger to help the Black Community. I mentor kids in the poorest Black neighborhood in Washington DC. I've never seen Obama there. Never at a coat drive. Never handing out holiday care packages. Never sitting with the elderly. Never talking to the kids. And Obama isn't even a $5 cab ride away.
A few photo ops at food pantries and charities that serve the undocumented illegal population here in Washington DC isn't what I call outreach to a Black community in need.
Obama is a disgrace. Things will get better for all of us when Obama is the FORMER president. They can't get worse.
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Once again we single out Trump for a failure of imagination and understanding that is pervasive among Republicans.
Their heads are stuck in 1980, and now it looks like they're trying to go back to 1880.
I expect sermons soon on the evils of electricity...
Their heads are stuck in 1980, and now it looks like they're trying to go back to 1880.
I expect sermons soon on the evils of electricity...
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Trump's ridiculous statement about the Afro-Americans will give him more votes from the unemployed, uneducated, lover middle class, white Americans. They suddenly feel less lonely and less miserable.
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Just as Trump says that we women can just quit a job if we are sexually harassed, now he says that blacks live in poverty and get shot walking down the street and that if they vote for him, he'll solve all their problems. He has to pay black people to work for him. He has to pay women to work for him, heck he has to pay women to marry him. The man is totally out of touch with anyone but himself and the women of Slovakia.
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Trump surprises me in that just when I thought he couldn't get more offensive, he says something even more reviling. Mr. Trump has built his campaign around calling Hispanics rapist, riling up hatred of Muslims and, essentially, telling white people that black and brown people are the reason for all their problems. Now, he paints a racist caricature of the black community in an appeal to get their votes? What is wrong with this man? Tone deaf and willful ignorance are an understatement.
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Maybe Trump really is as dumb-stupid as he appears to be.
Humpty Trumpty has been endorsed by North Korea
Humpty Trumpty is the favorite of Russia's Vladimir Putin
Humpty Trumpy now has a Briton - our former colonizers - stumping for him
What kind of USA does he really want?
Humpty Trumpty is the favorite of Russia's Vladimir Putin
Humpty Trumpy now has a Briton - our former colonizers - stumping for him
What kind of USA does he really want?
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He was a racist and still is. Here are some of his earlier comments on Black Americans.
The “laziness” statement came after Donald Trump started having financial difficulties at his casinos in Atlantic City. Trump’s response? He had black accountants. And he managed to squeeze two forms of racism into a single statement.
John O’Donnell, who was president of the Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino and later wrote a memoir about his experience, said Trump blamed financial difficulties partly on African American accountants.
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza — black guys counting my money!” O’Donnell’s book quoted Trump as saying. “I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else. . . . Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is; I believe that. It’s not anything they can control
The “laziness” statement came after Donald Trump started having financial difficulties at his casinos in Atlantic City. Trump’s response? He had black accountants. And he managed to squeeze two forms of racism into a single statement.
John O’Donnell, who was president of the Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino and later wrote a memoir about his experience, said Trump blamed financial difficulties partly on African American accountants.
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza — black guys counting my money!” O’Donnell’s book quoted Trump as saying. “I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else. . . . Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is; I believe that. It’s not anything they can control
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Donald J. Trump insists he is doing well with minorities. Couldn't he be giving us an indication he is having some affairs with minors? Maybe he is confusing the word "minorities" as he did with "premedication."
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He is doing well with minorities; at least with the minority of racist bigots who are just plain dumb ignorant and stupid. Let's just hope that in November this minority is very small.
It is quite obvious to Blacks Trump is not talking to them. He is regurgitating what most white supremacists and many misinformed Americans believe about most Black Americans. This is also to make him look softer to retrieve votes he is losing from educated White women. Most Blacks actually live in neighborhoods where they are not being shot and actually have jobs and cars; amazing.
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Don't you just love it ? Out of one side of his mouth he pleads to black voters to go out and vote for him and out of the other side he is telling his white supporters - in code , wink wink - to man the pole stations to make sure these same black voters are not up to any funny business . Yea right , keep it up Donald , with your new strategy Hillary could shoot someone on 5th avenue and still get elected .I think I heard that some were before .
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Trump's Plan for a "Hand Up" for the Black Community
Donald Trump has asked for blacks’ support. The result marked nothing short of a political earthquake representing more than a million potential voters suddenly swinging in Trump’s direction.
Mr. Trump offers America a commitment to black families struggling in our democratic controlled inner-cities. His Plan addresses job creation, revitalization of K-12 education, making college more affordable, and the like. It is a proposal for strengthening family bonds and economic mobility as a weapon against the epidemic of black homicide, gun violence, and poverty.
Mr. Trump is committed to expanding opportunities for unemployed blacks to enter the workforce and make an investment in revitalizing their community. He will work to enact tax cuts for small businesses, offer incentives to hire inner-city residents, and put resources in place to support starting and sustaining "Main Street" business development.
Mr. Trump wants every black boy and girl who wants to work to be provided with a quality education that will enable them to work. His proposal is a commitment to remove blight, rebuild neighborhoods, and to ensure black families an equitable chance of home ownership.
No matter what Mr. Trump says or how the Democrats interpret it . . . asserting "everything is good in black America" is dishonest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVEnw82HEvc
Donald Trump has asked for blacks’ support. The result marked nothing short of a political earthquake representing more than a million potential voters suddenly swinging in Trump’s direction.
Mr. Trump offers America a commitment to black families struggling in our democratic controlled inner-cities. His Plan addresses job creation, revitalization of K-12 education, making college more affordable, and the like. It is a proposal for strengthening family bonds and economic mobility as a weapon against the epidemic of black homicide, gun violence, and poverty.
Mr. Trump is committed to expanding opportunities for unemployed blacks to enter the workforce and make an investment in revitalizing their community. He will work to enact tax cuts for small businesses, offer incentives to hire inner-city residents, and put resources in place to support starting and sustaining "Main Street" business development.
Mr. Trump wants every black boy and girl who wants to work to be provided with a quality education that will enable them to work. His proposal is a commitment to remove blight, rebuild neighborhoods, and to ensure black families an equitable chance of home ownership.
No matter what Mr. Trump says or how the Democrats interpret it . . . asserting "everything is good in black America" is dishonest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVEnw82HEvc
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It would have actually benefitted real human children (black, brown, white, green, etc) in NY and NJ if Trump had actually paid ANY taxes. He doesn't pay taxes therefore he is a complete hypocrite who understands nothing about the vital importance of good public education. W
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Spell check: Change all "Mr. Trump" to "Hillary Clinton".
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The way it has been going, one day, if it fits his agenda, he would flip flop on Muslims. Deportations for Latinos is now off the table. What would come next is a puzzle only an unstable narcissistic character like Trump is capable of designing.
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I feel sorry for African Americans who thought that because of Mr. Obama's skin color that life would improve for them if they voted for him. They were sorely wrong. High unemployment, violent crime through the roof and the worse race relations since the 1960s is what Mr. Obama has wrought. Mr. Trump has no malice towards African Americans and truly wants to help them. African Americans are better off voting for Trump who knows how to build and knows how to create jobs.
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Black people don’t need to be told how to vote by Trump and the GOP. They are perfectly capable of making up their own mind.
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Pete NJ, don't feel sorry for African American racists who thought skin color was more important than character when selecting a President. Feel sorry for the rational people who got what those bigots deserved.
Excuse me, but GW Bush left us with high unemployment. The current unemployment rate is 4.8 %. That is actually very low. Average is 5-6%.
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"Only about one out of every four households receiving food stamps in 2014 was black" or 25%. But blacks comprise only 15% of US population; so blacks disproportionately compared to total US population are receiving food stamps. One could go through the entire list of disadvantage effect on lives (unwed mothers, school dropouts) and social ills (prison population, crimes) and find that blacks are disproportionately represented on every item. So - there is something wrong going on, isn't there? Isn't that what we're constantly told by the liberal media? Except now - things, well, not so bad.
Trump can't get a break from the NYTimes and apparently black leaders. Ignore problems and he is insensitive or worse - a racist. Acknowledge these and - he is still blind to problems blacks face and - a racist. Maybe he shouldn't even try.
Trump can't get a break from the NYTimes and apparently black leaders. Ignore problems and he is insensitive or worse - a racist. Acknowledge these and - he is still blind to problems blacks face and - a racist. Maybe he shouldn't even try.
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**Trump can't get a break from the NYTimes and apparently black leaders. **
Trump will get a **break** when he's earned it. This isn't it.
Trump will get a **break** when he's earned it. This isn't it.
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It is actually only between 12-13%....which skews it even more. i love it when they say more white people use govt services whilst omitting that telling stat.
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White families need to stay engaged with the working world. There are more people ending up living in poverty then every before. The man in this article stayed engaged. It is easy to lock out those that at suffering and say everything is fine. Increasing mass incarceration isn's good for anyone. People that get in trouble need attorneys, to get their lives back on track. Donald Trump tells it like it is. Take care of yourself. Enjoy your freedom. Check with those that are financing you, are you part of the solution or part of the problem. Personally, I don't want big brother telling me what to do.
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Ironically, Trump may the most "urban" GOP candidate for president in decades. He probably grew up thinking that food came from the supermarket, immersed as he was in New York City's environment and obsessed with overcoming his "outer borough insecurity" complex.
But he's blown it with urban voters so far and will get wiped out by margins of at least 80-20 in cities with a half million or more people. That's a certainty. His view that Democratic Party domination of urban politics has ruined the lives of African-Americans doesn't hold water. Boston has not had a Republican mayor since 1930, San Francisco since 1964, Seattle since 1969, Portland (OR) since 1980, Houston since 1982, and so on and so forth. That's right, the most populous city in Deep Red Texas hasn't had a GOP mayor in 34 years.
Even thriving, relatively safer cities like the ones mentioned above that have led the way in fields like biotechnology, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, IT, petroleum, and other private sector areas are inhabited by people who simply rule out voting Republican. Maybe Trump should focus more on that particular reality...
But he's blown it with urban voters so far and will get wiped out by margins of at least 80-20 in cities with a half million or more people. That's a certainty. His view that Democratic Party domination of urban politics has ruined the lives of African-Americans doesn't hold water. Boston has not had a Republican mayor since 1930, San Francisco since 1964, Seattle since 1969, Portland (OR) since 1980, Houston since 1982, and so on and so forth. That's right, the most populous city in Deep Red Texas hasn't had a GOP mayor in 34 years.
Even thriving, relatively safer cities like the ones mentioned above that have led the way in fields like biotechnology, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, IT, petroleum, and other private sector areas are inhabited by people who simply rule out voting Republican. Maybe Trump should focus more on that particular reality...
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I think it is about time that the Democrats start attacking Trump all-out. It seems to me that every day all I see or hear about the campaign is the Hillary Camp answering yet another accusation from Devoid Trump. Black people jump in against him. Latinos jump is against him. But HRC simply answers another unfounded charge. Time to change that and make HIM go on the defensive......
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Think of all the real support Trump has in the Black community: there's Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, and Nigel Farage. Oh wait, they're not American.
OK, face it, Trump is so open-minded that he welcomes support from all over. Who knows, maybe he'll even get some Americans to support him. Of course if he is elected, Trump has already promised to pass a law saying that Putin, Assange, and Farge are Black, thus demonstrating once again that he does indeed have Black support. He also has promised in 2436 of his 16,711 e-mails currently being hidden by the F.B.I., that he will give the three of them keys to the doors in the wall he plans to have built around America by his kids' new construction company.
The third leg of his legislative tripod will be to ban the singing in public of the last verse of our real national anthem, Woody Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land":
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.
OK, face it, Trump is so open-minded that he welcomes support from all over. Who knows, maybe he'll even get some Americans to support him. Of course if he is elected, Trump has already promised to pass a law saying that Putin, Assange, and Farge are Black, thus demonstrating once again that he does indeed have Black support. He also has promised in 2436 of his 16,711 e-mails currently being hidden by the F.B.I., that he will give the three of them keys to the doors in the wall he plans to have built around America by his kids' new construction company.
The third leg of his legislative tripod will be to ban the singing in public of the last verse of our real national anthem, Woody Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land":
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.
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Everythin's up to date in Ferguson City.
They've gone about as fer as they can go.
Everythin's like a dream in Ferguson City.
It's like a magic lantern show.
Lyrics by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party
They've gone about as fer as they can go.
Everythin's like a dream in Ferguson City.
It's like a magic lantern show.
Lyrics by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party
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Uh... ever been to Ferguson? Ferguson's problems have not been caused by Hillary Clinton or the Democratic party.
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“You’re living in your poverty."
He says your poverty instead of in poverty. I take this as condescending and conveys the impression that African-Americans are to blame for their situation. He needs to put on his hiking boots and visit the black communities.
He says your poverty instead of in poverty. I take this as condescending and conveys the impression that African-Americans are to blame for their situation. He needs to put on his hiking boots and visit the black communities.
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or he can visit places like West Virginia and rural Oregon and see white people living "ghetto" lives!
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Just like Hillary's hikes?
All sorts of groups have elements who reside in the lower part of the economic scale and who for individual or historic reasons remain stuck in precarious conditions that bring about unacceptable social behavior. Go to any country in the world and you will find such a group. The goal of every society is and should be the gradual reduction, if not elimination, of their situation. American Blacks are no different but their situation is intensified because of slavery, discrimination and, for a long time, neglect. That said, one cannot be impressed by the slow but sure progression into middle-class that we are observing. Look around you and you see journalists, actors, directors, writers, athletes, civil servants, political figures that dot the American landscape. Trump's putting of Blacks in one economic blind alley is another proof of his narrow, distorted view of reality. And anyone who doesn't see the reality as it is, is not the person to improve it.
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The would-be "Insulter-In-Chief" has spewed another mouthful of inaccurate words fulfilling the purpose to be stereotypical and attention gathering. One stops to wonder if there is a bottom for this man besides the foreign-made pants he sits on.
Saddest most is the legion of people who remain at his side regardless of whom he harms. Some of my friends loo past it - people I love and respect. It does make me question the principles and values they say they are upholding in order to support his candidacy. What a paradox. If one can suspend the facts long enough, perhaps his words seem less ridiculous. It's that I can't suspend them. I've never given bigoted speech a hearing, nor will I provide a new hearing for late, faux-concern for the plight of yet another category of Trump-offended of people. Shame on the Americans who will.
Saddest most is the legion of people who remain at his side regardless of whom he harms. Some of my friends loo past it - people I love and respect. It does make me question the principles and values they say they are upholding in order to support his candidacy. What a paradox. If one can suspend the facts long enough, perhaps his words seem less ridiculous. It's that I can't suspend them. I've never given bigoted speech a hearing, nor will I provide a new hearing for late, faux-concern for the plight of yet another category of Trump-offended of people. Shame on the Americans who will.
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His narrative on Black America fits perfectly with his description of Mexican immigrants. Whereas African Americans are all poor and live in desperate, dangerous communities, Mexicans who come here are all drug dealers, rapists, murderers, etc. Based on these portrayals, it is clear that Donald Trump exists in a highly cloistered world that is white and affluent.
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All so-called whites are privileged, according to some, including the tens of millions of them who live in poverty.
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@TRKapner: Daresay that vast majority of commenters also live in a "highly cloistered world that is white and affluent." 2 egregious examples are those who r preachy on subjects like wage inequality and racial inequality yet live in such posh enclaves like Sunnyvale California and Mission Viejo where homes go for a million plus.Do u really think that denizens of either quarter r not living in a "white, cloistered world?"Is not Chappaqua, where HRC lives,not a "white, cloistered world. Let the government try to put affordable housing units for the poor and the near poor near Clintons's residence, and see how long it would take before that idea was flushed down the tubes. Never forget the fuss made by RFK junior, the great environmentalist, when Hyannisport wanted to build wind turbines near their estate."Not in my back yard!"By the way, would it be indiscreet to inform us whether u, urself, live in a "cloistered, whitem sogine environment, or do you live in the housing projects outside of the District?Very helpful and edifying to know where commenters r coming from, geographically and philosophically.
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TRKapner: Once again you are allowing your liberal biases to overcome your respect for the truth and factual accuracy. Trump has never characterized the brave and industrious Mexican people as"rapists,murderers and drug dealers,"but said rather that AMONG those who enter the US r narcotraficantes and other criminal elements who r let in because of the WH's apathy towards the problem of border security,Nuance, and as they say in French, a nuance makes all the difference!But living in a white cloistered world which you write is the one that DT inhabits, like the one that HRC in Chappaqua resides in, raises the question whether you too live in a soigne environment, surrounded by neighbors who are white, well educated, bourgeois with bank accounts,and for whom the problems faced by vulnerable, hard working folks in housing projects r ones that you and your neigbbors do not have to face on a daily basis.
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The authors interview black professionals and assume they speak for all blacks.Are the children of those interviewed trapped without choice in an inner city public school? A ''hip food court'' is exactly where you want to go to find out about life's realities white or black.What's next an interview of Upper Westsiders to find out how life is in Appalachia or coal country.Does Charles Blow know how rosy life is in black America?
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"The great irony is that this lifelong New York City real estate developer who is so concerned about conditions in the inner city and among the poor has never laid as much as a brick towards providing affordable housing--the need for which has expanded into the working and middle classes. "
the statement is true. however rent regulation has nearly destroyed the rental market in NYC. the Democrats claim that rent regulation is helping the working class and middle class. it helps those living in stable neighborhoods but people cannot afford to move because they cannot find another affordable apt. it is all the result of gov't meddling which this poster and many nyt readers are in favor of.
politicians don't care about the middle class working in private industry. they protect the interests of the upper class and pander to the welfare class, particularly to the Black welfare class,as being the deserving poor
bottom line is we need to get the gov't off our backs and out of our lives.
the statement is true. however rent regulation has nearly destroyed the rental market in NYC. the Democrats claim that rent regulation is helping the working class and middle class. it helps those living in stable neighborhoods but people cannot afford to move because they cannot find another affordable apt. it is all the result of gov't meddling which this poster and many nyt readers are in favor of.
politicians don't care about the middle class working in private industry. they protect the interests of the upper class and pander to the welfare class, particularly to the Black welfare class,as being the deserving poor
bottom line is we need to get the gov't off our backs and out of our lives.
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Donald Trump's latest handlers seem to have a moderate grip on him at present.
But Trump is what he is - a loud mouthed bigot - and all the coaching, smoothing of his language and teleprompter texts are to no avail because, as your article demonstrates, he is demonstrably uncomfortable trying to be what he is not and if the electorate doesn't see through that veneer, we have arrived at a very bad place.
But Trump is what he is - a loud mouthed bigot - and all the coaching, smoothing of his language and teleprompter texts are to no avail because, as your article demonstrates, he is demonstrably uncomfortable trying to be what he is not and if the electorate doesn't see through that veneer, we have arrived at a very bad place.
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I'm not going to suggest for whom Afro Americans should cast their vote. But is this not what Al Sharpton and other community leaders are always talking about? All the Afro Americans living in poverty and un employed? The youths who go to underperforming schools. The need for welfare and affirmative action? The numbers of Afro American people killed every day in their communities should be a news item - not only when inept police do the shooting- so that the entire nation and the communities will be shocked into action. There should be shake ups in all communities. Look at Newark and all the money donated by Facebook for the school children. How is that school system faring? If you ask the leaders they will say they need more money to educate the children. Most politicians use the cities to line their pockets with votes and money. Everyone lives better when we all live better. Mr Sharpton and other activists say all these things on television and in the newspaper and then dine at the White House at swell birthday parties. They leave that part out when speaking to the nation. They don't tell us how far they have risen and that this country provides a path to a swell life and riches. There is room for everyone to help our citizens.
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According to Trump, there are no African American:
Dr.s, DDS, JD, Architects, Engineers, middle managers, military officers, business owners, astronauts, Airline pilots, FBI Agents, etc.
According to Trump, we don't exist, instead, we are all impoverished, from failing schools and in constant danger of being shot.
Dr.s, DDS, JD, Architects, Engineers, middle managers, military officers, business owners, astronauts, Airline pilots, FBI Agents, etc.
According to Trump, we don't exist, instead, we are all impoverished, from failing schools and in constant danger of being shot.
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This is quite a distortion of Trump's words. He is obviously addressing his words to inner-city blacks. They certainly do exist if not in your world.
Thank goodness someone is looking out for them, because it's certainly not wealthy democrats, whose policies have pretty much wrecked their lives. Not yours, of course.
Thank goodness someone is looking out for them, because it's certainly not wealthy democrats, whose policies have pretty much wrecked their lives. Not yours, of course.
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That's not what he's saying - he's talking about inner cities like Chicago.
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If you were looking for a place to represent the type of poverty that Trump is talking about, Atlanta isn't it. Atlanta is a booming, beautiful city dominated by successful black residents. Go to Newark, Detroit or Baltimore to capture the desperation of decades of failed democratic leadership. Trump may not do any better, but can he do any worse?
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Yes, Trump can do considerably worse, considering he has no idea whatsoever on how to combat poverty. He doesn't seem to have any solid policy plans at all.
Like all races there is a segment of the Black community that is struggling, but rest assured trump is not the answer....
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Who could forget this gem by Hillary -(spoken in a fake southern black accent) “I don’t feel no ways tired, I come to far from where I started. Nobody told me that the road would be easy. I don’t believe he brought me this far to leave me.”
And people think Trump is condescending...
And people think Trump is condescending...
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Why don't you mention where, and the context of her statement. It was a quote of a Selma white racist.
Can you reference this? I'd love to hear it for myself.
Like anybody can guess, blacks are not a balkanized and monolithic community, as misconstrued by Trump. His almost cut and dried division of all the blacks as ones with pecuniary challenges, and the whites as oofy. As an upshot, many blacks are justifiably peeved. His arbitrary and capricious quoting of statistical numbers of impoverished blacks sound like a flimflam.
One can be certain that many are not sold on Trump's recent utterances, due to his utter lack of credibility. Incredulous as many are, Trump may have a long way yo go, before heads can turn in his direction.
Hillary, who has not had any official press conferences since 12/2015, is in a thick soup herself. It appears she is not an ardent fan of candor, but seems to indulge in chicanery. It is almost a given that politicians are hard-wired with varying shades of mendacity, and unless genetic engineering can effect a mutation in their genes, they might continue to exhibit Pecksniffian performances for a long time to come.
In the final analysis, quite a large number of voters may have to decide who they want to cast their votes for at the ballot box. Abstention, and writing in are other options. Skullduggery is rapidly becoming the order of the day. Who knew?
One can be certain that many are not sold on Trump's recent utterances, due to his utter lack of credibility. Incredulous as many are, Trump may have a long way yo go, before heads can turn in his direction.
Hillary, who has not had any official press conferences since 12/2015, is in a thick soup herself. It appears she is not an ardent fan of candor, but seems to indulge in chicanery. It is almost a given that politicians are hard-wired with varying shades of mendacity, and unless genetic engineering can effect a mutation in their genes, they might continue to exhibit Pecksniffian performances for a long time to come.
In the final analysis, quite a large number of voters may have to decide who they want to cast their votes for at the ballot box. Abstention, and writing in are other options. Skullduggery is rapidly becoming the order of the day. Who knew?
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I am offended by most of what Trump says and does and will never vote for him but in light of the recent focus on racial unrest in this country, as reported by the media (an admittedly lazy, general reference), it is not particularly difficult to understand why Trump might believe what he is saying is true or if he truly believes in nothing, why he might assume that what he is saying will be effective. Trump could have made a legitimate pitch to blacks about the Democratic Party, one which Republicans have made before with little notice but the main problem (in addition to the obvious offense of so grossly generalizing the black experience) is Trump's condescension and disrespect toward black Americans, Hispanic Americans and others as if they are like children and dependent upon a political party or a Donald Trump to give them any life at all since they can't achieve anything on their own in his view, and they are only permitted to participate in American life because we white people (the real Americans) have so graciously allowed that. Racism after all has always been about power, control and place in the social order so it is still racist for Trump to offer to help black people when he does so by explicitly preserving a sense of control over their entire existence and with the intention of collecting full credit for the "great" and equally "terrific" life we are all to believe awaits us during his reign.
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Trump met with 100 black pastors. Do you think they told him something different from what he is saying? If so, what? Do you think they were "disrespecting" blacks?
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Trump's latest ploy is just as offensive to black people as everything else he's said during this campaign. As Maya Angelou said "When someone shows you who they are, believe them; the first time".
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no black person would ever vote for trump anyway. so who cares?? its obviously not the target demographic he is looking for a win with
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Ben Carson's not black?
Wait. . . Hillary Clinton, the woman who worked for the Children's Defense fund and went undercover to root out racial segregation in schools, is the bigot. While Trump, who wouldn't rent to black tenants and prefers to have Jews counting his money is not.
What world are we living in? The man is 70 years old. He's had every opportunity to forego a bit of profit and make his goods in America or build some affordable housing. He never bothered. His charitable gifts don't even come from his own pocket. That people think he actually cares for them is unbelievable. They're willing to entrust this country to a billionaire Archie Bunker.
What world are we living in? The man is 70 years old. He's had every opportunity to forego a bit of profit and make his goods in America or build some affordable housing. He never bothered. His charitable gifts don't even come from his own pocket. That people think he actually cares for them is unbelievable. They're willing to entrust this country to a billionaire Archie Bunker.
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What about "superpredators", war on drugs and NAFTA?
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The truth is that there are way too many "Drive By's" by the Democrats pandering for the Black vote only to be never seen for the next four years. Trump is correct string that most large cities are managed (?) by Democratic mayors. In fact, I can't think of one that has a Republican mayor. Programs to improve their cities have generally been failures. Blacks should value their vote and expect to see these politicians more often then every four years. If this is what they are getting from Democrats, I would listen to Trump or any other Republican, Independent, etc. that can give the Blacks true value for their vote.
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Insulting people doesn't advance the discussion.
"the majority of the comments are attacking Trump and his portrayal of the Black community. Are you people stupid?"
And, later...
"You all are disgusting sheep."
This is hardly a civilized, reasoned response to people you disagree with!
"Do you not see with your own eyes the neighborhoods the MAJORITY of Blacks live in? Do you not see the desperation?"
In fact, the *majority* of black people do *not* live in poor violent neighborhoods or lead lives of desperation. The high school graduation rate (diploma or GED) is virtually the same for black and white students. There is a thriving college-educated black middle and professional class.
For others, who are struggling, black and white, we need to provide better schools, decent jobs, high quality health care, end segregation and police brutality, and directly address rampant inequality.
(Using all caps, by the way, is shouting. This is not a Trump rally! :-) )
For sure, many blacks despair over the future of their country when one of its two major political parties nominate a known bigot who has a track record of discriminating against minorities, espouses racist ideas and policies, and has no problem being supported by white supremacists.
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Insulting people doesn't advance the discussion.
"the majority of the comments are attacking Trump and his portrayal of the Black community. Are you people stupid?"
And, later...
"You all are disgusting sheep."
This is hardly a civilized, reasoned response to people you disagree with!
"Do you not see with your own eyes the neighborhoods the MAJORITY of Blacks live in? Do you not see the desperation?"
In fact, the *majority* of black people do *not* live in poor violent neighborhoods or lead lives of desperation. The high school graduation rate (diploma or GED) is virtually the same for black and white students. There is a thriving college-educated black middle and professional class.
For others, who are struggling, black and white, we need to provide better schools, decent jobs, high quality health care, end segregation and police brutality, and directly address rampant inequality.
(Using all caps, by the way, is shouting. This is not a Trump rally! :-) )
For sure, many blacks despair over the future of their country when one of its two major political parties nominate a known bigot who has a track record of discriminating against minorities, espouses racist ideas and policies, and has no problem being supported by white supremacists.
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One obvious truth is that if an ethnic group votes 95% for one party, that party has absolutely no incentive to do anything for them. Why should they?
Only the credible threat of considering alternatives is going to change things. If even a quarter of the black voters indicated them might be open to voting GOP, then the Democrats would have to come up with some significant changes.
Only the credible threat of considering alternatives is going to change things. If even a quarter of the black voters indicated them might be open to voting GOP, then the Democrats would have to come up with some significant changes.
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Just about the same thing Bernie said about blacks living in the ghetto. But if politicians comment on affluent and successful blacks all we would hear is that Black Lives Matter and the social ills are being ignored by indifferent whites. There is no winning this discussion. In the meantime the really significant ethnic group of our time, Hispanics, is ignored. Is it because they really are post racial? I am tired of the victim narrative - that keeps black people down better than any Sheriff Clark (or Arpaio) ever could.
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To bad there's not a real cause and concern to fix the "American Ghettos" as Sherriff Dave Clarke put it...Dems have very thin skin , and are to concerned with the optics and radical movements. Fix manufacturing and you have more nationwide improvements.Unfortunately it might be to late.. That's what Trumps talking about..
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It seems to me that if Mr Trump cared at all about bringing back American manufacturing, he might have had at least one Trump product - those Make America Great Again hats, maybe? - manufactured here rather than in China.
Folks: Reiterating what I've said and confirmed last night on
a respected show. Non-gop nominee supporters should hold
your fingers. Getting massive negative or positive attention by
saying ostensibly crazy things (gets media attention) is what he
wants. At least on various media, we can stop responding.
I get inflamed at comments and I know it's for the nominee's attention since negative and positive are equal. Pass this on and let the other side only support comments. We can watch without writing.
a respected show. Non-gop nominee supporters should hold
your fingers. Getting massive negative or positive attention by
saying ostensibly crazy things (gets media attention) is what he
wants. At least on various media, we can stop responding.
I get inflamed at comments and I know it's for the nominee's attention since negative and positive are equal. Pass this on and let the other side only support comments. We can watch without writing.
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Trumps description of black citizens is the most racist statement he has made, and he has made many. Why anyone would believe anything he says is beyond me! Trump proves racism still exists every time he talks about people of color. I wonder what he has promised the few people of color that support him with public statements? I watched the faces of the white people at his Jackson MS rally last light when he called Mrs. Clinton a bigot. They laughed, the bigots are in Trumps camp, they are the ones attending his rallies. Can we now expect crosses burning on lawns as trump heats up the racial divide in our country?
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Almost exactly what Bernie said. Is he a racist? Or just also telling the truth about the state of Black America. Do we really believe that black people think that everything is just fabulous 8 years into President Obama's term - do we really think that 8 years more of the same thing is going to make the difference and finally resolve this societal crisis? Not a fan of DT but anyone who thinks that democrats care about anything about black people other than their votes is out of their mind.
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Thank you for this concise and truth telling headline. Trump fatigue, coupled with utter disbelief that what he personifies made it this far in our presidential election system, calls for the sanity of the African American voice to be clearly heard on matters Donald Trump. Trump is the antithesis of what African Americans embrace as American citizens. My mother, deceased, would be proud to see a woman of Hillary's stature in the White House. Finally.
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Wow ! What a trolling ...I really hope that Americans will take back their country !
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Trump's reality of black lives is bigoted and warped. And even if it was correct, he is of the party that wants to reduce aid to the poor and restrict assistance to the needy. Isn't this how a fox gets into the hen house? By pretending he wants to help, while at the same time planning to destroy once he is inside?
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No, it is no even if it was correct. It is not correct. But you are right when you say he will destroy things when he is in office. Our country will not be safe. He does not have the temperament that is needed. And he will get upset and as he say he will bomb! And where will that leave us. He is a dangerous man.
Seeing what Trump is thinking, coming out and saying it, the real issue is clearer. There are people who spot another’s color a mile away and whatever might follow in their thought process is just playing out a long jelled narrative about welfare and poverty, political correctness and job discrimination – fixed structures in their own minds not even about anyone who is real.
One wonders. Do they visit homes of black friends and hang out? Do they know the family? Is there anybody black they get – has there ever been - whose humor cracks them up and they know what they’re going to say before it’s said - not because they’re black, not in spite of it, just because this is the guy next door and you’ve taken to one another.
Everyone has skin and it has color which – to tell the truth – is more about how our cones process light than anything distinguishing one of us from another. Everyone’s got eyes and eyes have color which is no more important than skin color. Most of us won’t remember what color were they eyes of people we’ve encountered casually; skin color may be more apparent but if it’s all we see, and if in seeing it, it predicates all we think we need to know about them, this says nothing about them and everything about us. For example, just like Donald Trump is describing black Americans. What he’s telling us makes so much sense, not what he wants to be telling us, rather in how logically it follows from what obviously must be his assumptions.
One wonders. Do they visit homes of black friends and hang out? Do they know the family? Is there anybody black they get – has there ever been - whose humor cracks them up and they know what they’re going to say before it’s said - not because they’re black, not in spite of it, just because this is the guy next door and you’ve taken to one another.
Everyone has skin and it has color which – to tell the truth – is more about how our cones process light than anything distinguishing one of us from another. Everyone’s got eyes and eyes have color which is no more important than skin color. Most of us won’t remember what color were they eyes of people we’ve encountered casually; skin color may be more apparent but if it’s all we see, and if in seeing it, it predicates all we think we need to know about them, this says nothing about them and everything about us. For example, just like Donald Trump is describing black Americans. What he’s telling us makes so much sense, not what he wants to be telling us, rather in how logically it follows from what obviously must be his assumptions.
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Why are we continuing to enable this bigoted sociopath by giving him attention?
Trump is a grifter. A liar. A bully.
We suspected that for many years but we saw clear and repeated evidence of it over this last year during the primaries. And since the summer conventions we have had even clearer evidence of it.
Just stop reporting on his every attention seeking utterance. Without attention he will wither and go away, and his poison will not spread further through our society.
Trump is a grifter. A liar. A bully.
We suspected that for many years but we saw clear and repeated evidence of it over this last year during the primaries. And since the summer conventions we have had even clearer evidence of it.
Just stop reporting on his every attention seeking utterance. Without attention he will wither and go away, and his poison will not spread further through our society.
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Having said a plethora of racist, sexist, comments the last twelve months does Donald Trump honestly expect thinking people will forget the non stop horrid statements he has made?
It's clear the new conservative folks he has brought on to his team have told him what to say in order to trick blacks, Hispanics, millennials and educated women into even considering voting for him. But these groups are not dumb and can see the game being played.
And give him a few days or a week and like the insecure bully on the playground he will take umbrage at some minor comment said and will behave as expected of a spoiled child. And in doing so will show us all that he is still the old unattractive choice.
It's clear the new conservative folks he has brought on to his team have told him what to say in order to trick blacks, Hispanics, millennials and educated women into even considering voting for him. But these groups are not dumb and can see the game being played.
And give him a few days or a week and like the insecure bully on the playground he will take umbrage at some minor comment said and will behave as expected of a spoiled child. And in doing so will show us all that he is still the old unattractive choice.
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"“I don’t know — most of the black people I know are educated and live in nice neighborhoods. Everybody in my family is required to have a degree.”"
So then maybe Affirmative Action did it's job a generation ago, and now special cutouts not now needed. In fact, it even may be insulting to suggest blacks can't succeed without the white man's help. (Touché, Mr. Trump, touché.)
So then maybe Affirmative Action did it's job a generation ago, and now special cutouts not now needed. In fact, it even may be insulting to suggest blacks can't succeed without the white man's help. (Touché, Mr. Trump, touché.)
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I have grown accustomed to the Trumpnado and its bizarre emanations on whatever crosses his mind, but the characterization of the life of an American black person in America actually took my breath away. He dismissed in a paragraph the positive steps that have been taken – and are being taken – to address the inequalities, inadequate though they are. I remember the civil rights highlights, Trump doesn't, and would tear down the work undertaken by citizens as well as the government. This man symbolizes the depth of the divide between forward-looking citizens and those who would continue the institutional racism that has also marked the fight for equal rights.
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Don't you just love it, when people can't stand the truth? They slam TRUMP and ignore the constant lies of Hillary Clinton. She no more cares about the plight of black communities than a predator cares about it's prey. Talk about the blind leading the blind. She has over 100 million dollars in the bank. The Black communities all across the United States have been kept down, and victimized for years by the Democrats. The poor whites are not far behind. Keeping them that way ensures votes, and brainwashes them into thinking they can't make it without their help. That's what it's about. At least Trump is truthful, and the democratic party can't stand to look themselves in the mirror, and see the truth. Blacks as individuals have made great strides in this country by picking themselves up, getting an education, and then becoming productive members of society. Parenting and good role models play an integral part in this. Oprah is a shining example. So are the many black entertainers, successful military men and women, black athletes and other notable blacks in all segments of society. So continuing to say that the blacks are offended is a bold-faced lie. Blacks that are successful are living their dreams. Stop portraying them as poor, uneducated fools, who will never get anywhere. What is sad commentary is that instead of celebrating their successes, the media, this newspapers, and the democrats continue to focus on the negative, instead of engaging in civil discourse!
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No, Trump is not truthful, and you just proved that with your examples of African-American people who have made it in life. Oprah came from racist Mississippi, where he just spew his words of hate!
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Too many here commenting obviously have not spent much time in these neighborhoods Trump describes.
I spent most of my time with Ma Bell in Liberty City in Miami, The South Bronx, Harlem and in Charlotte's urban ghettos. I've seen exactly what he described for decades. A woman whose telephone I was repairing told me that she had grown up in that public housing complex, her mother still lived there and her daughter and grandchild were in another apartment there. Four generations.
I read the newspapers. I watch the news. Every day the same story. Black on Black crime. Always in the same part of town.
But I also see different Black folks.. My next door neighbors for instance. They were here a year before me when I bought my home, He owns a small heating and air conditioning business as one of the technicians. One daughter went to college and later married am Army career enlisted man. Today he owns his own IT firm. The other daughter had some struggles but is doing well today married to a man who also owns his small business. The Black neighbors three doors away are school teachers. Their son now has a doctorate in biochemistry.
Gentrification forced the Black people around Charlotte to leave their old neighborhoods. That and tearing them down to build over 12,000 apartments in downtown for Yuppies working for the two banks. They've moved out to our once rural area. Now we have a police substation nearby and the crime has come to us. I don't just work in it, now live in it.
I spent most of my time with Ma Bell in Liberty City in Miami, The South Bronx, Harlem and in Charlotte's urban ghettos. I've seen exactly what he described for decades. A woman whose telephone I was repairing told me that she had grown up in that public housing complex, her mother still lived there and her daughter and grandchild were in another apartment there. Four generations.
I read the newspapers. I watch the news. Every day the same story. Black on Black crime. Always in the same part of town.
But I also see different Black folks.. My next door neighbors for instance. They were here a year before me when I bought my home, He owns a small heating and air conditioning business as one of the technicians. One daughter went to college and later married am Army career enlisted man. Today he owns his own IT firm. The other daughter had some struggles but is doing well today married to a man who also owns his small business. The Black neighbors three doors away are school teachers. Their son now has a doctorate in biochemistry.
Gentrification forced the Black people around Charlotte to leave their old neighborhoods. That and tearing them down to build over 12,000 apartments in downtown for Yuppies working for the two banks. They've moved out to our once rural area. Now we have a police substation nearby and the crime has come to us. I don't just work in it, now live in it.
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So do you think Trump will make it better?
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Can he make it worse? And when will the Democrats earn those votes and make it better?
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Keep voting the same way. Keep falling for the pretty porridge poured into our ears. Keep thinking our home-grown "leaders" are beknighted freedom fighters rather than racial hucksters on the take. Keep thinking all those limousine liberals live in integrated situations. Keep thinking those same people have any interest in our children's educations, futures or lives. And we will continue to experience the multiple pathologies their policies have inflicted upon us. Slogans aside, we do not matter to them and never did. These hypocrites could not win an election without us. Stay home. Vote Green. Stop rewarding their hypocrisy.
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That is exactly what Mr. Trump is hoping that you will stay home!
May I note here that Donald Trump's running mate Mike Pence has refused for 2.5 years to pardon Keith Cooper, an African American man wrongly convicted of robbery resulting in serious injury. Cooper has been been exonerated by the admission of the robbery victims that they misidentified him, by DNA evidence which points to a man in a Michigan prison, and by the admission of perjury of a jailhouse snitch. The prosecutor has written a public letter to Pence, calling on him to pardon Cooper. The Indiana Parole Board has recommended a pardon for Cooper on the basis of his actual innocence. 102,000 people have signed an online petition calling upon Pence to pardon. And still no national press coverage and no pardon. Trump's VP running mate may give a good indication of the policy priorities of the GOP ticket.
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My first known white European American ancestor was born in London in 1613, married in Lancaster County in the Virginia Colony in 1640 where he died in 1670.
My earliest known free person of color black African American ancestors were living in South Carolina and Virginia at the birth of the nation.
My earliest known enslaved black African American ancestors were living in Georgia from 1830/35.
My earliest known brown Native American Cherokee ancestors were living in Virginia and South Carolina from 1830/35.
That all adds up to me being all and only black born and bred on the South Side of Chicago. Unlike my European ancestors I do not know who, when and where my African and Native ancestors came to America nor where they came from. My family is America. Long before there were any Trumps or Kennedys in America my family branches were building their American dream.
"We ain't where we should be. We ain't where we are going to be. But thank God we ain't where we was." Dr. King quoting a black country preacher on the state of the black American dream.
My earliest known free person of color black African American ancestors were living in South Carolina and Virginia at the birth of the nation.
My earliest known enslaved black African American ancestors were living in Georgia from 1830/35.
My earliest known brown Native American Cherokee ancestors were living in Virginia and South Carolina from 1830/35.
That all adds up to me being all and only black born and bred on the South Side of Chicago. Unlike my European ancestors I do not know who, when and where my African and Native ancestors came to America nor where they came from. My family is America. Long before there were any Trumps or Kennedys in America my family branches were building their American dream.
"We ain't where we should be. We ain't where we are going to be. But thank God we ain't where we was." Dr. King quoting a black country preacher on the state of the black American dream.
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Thank you for your comment.
Not saying Trimp would make a good president overall but on this he has a point, if poorly timed and worded. Hillary Clinton and the DNC are beholden unto the 'grace and favor' set in Washington and NYC elites first and the poor and minorities last. The Democrats are nowadays the party of the top 5% who will defend it tooth and nail. The poverty trap is no accident and successive Democrat (and Republican) administrations are guilty of doing nothing to make any real difference. Pumping SNAP and Section 8 into the cities will only perpetuate poverty. Education, training and decent paying self sustaining jobs by the millions are what is needed and i just don't see that coming to fruition with aClinton victory.
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Divisivness will not heal the country, and that is what Mr. Trump is putting out there. I don't want to live in a racial war-torn nation, and that is what Donald Trump is offering. He does not care about those people he is speaking to. He only cares about himself. He is throwing red meat out there to stoke the hatred.
Though I'm enjoying Trump's slow demise I do understand his appeal. The comment about failed Democratic controlled cities below reminds me of overstuffed programs here in Wisconsin which allowed a similar 're-balance' to occur and I've seen it personally on public sector projects where over 50% of public staff does nothing. Literally, nothing. I am not exaggerating. Do not fret I have the solution: We need our best and brightest and highest paid CEOs running social and public programs--not corporations--making them extremely lean and extremely effective. Granted it is only half of the solution, corporate/individual responsibility is the other.
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This goes back to the grumpy old white guy the GOP nominated. Black mobility -- the ability to go from poverty to middle class or middle class to upper middle class -- isn't amazing in our country. But the generation of blacks in their 40s has it much better, by and large, than their parents and grandparents.
Segregation is largely illegal thanks to LBJ and the then-bipartisan majority he forged in the U.S. Congress. In addition, despite their horrible treatment by our society, black families understood the critical role education played in bringing up children (despite the portrayal on TV). This has created a black middle class, with folks working in decent jobs and raising responsible citizens who went to college or graduate school, thereby expanding the black middle class.
Segregation is largely illegal thanks to LBJ and the then-bipartisan majority he forged in the U.S. Congress. In addition, despite their horrible treatment by our society, black families understood the critical role education played in bringing up children (despite the portrayal on TV). This has created a black middle class, with folks working in decent jobs and raising responsible citizens who went to college or graduate school, thereby expanding the black middle class.
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And remember the Dixiecrats who abandoned the Democratic party and turned Republican because they were against the civil rights act.
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"...old white guy..." More NYT-sanctioned ageism, racism, and sexism.
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This country is in trouble either way, we don't have a viable choice.
Anyone who really has the competence for the job doesn't want it.
The only ones that want it are either megalomaniacs or will use the position as their personal piggy bank.
As far as race, both candidates are wildly wealthy, older white people.
They care enough about black people in as much as it will get a vote. Come inauguration day, it won't spend a single moment on the subject, anyone who thinks otherwise can simply look at the last four years.
Anyone who really has the competence for the job doesn't want it.
The only ones that want it are either megalomaniacs or will use the position as their personal piggy bank.
As far as race, both candidates are wildly wealthy, older white people.
They care enough about black people in as much as it will get a vote. Come inauguration day, it won't spend a single moment on the subject, anyone who thinks otherwise can simply look at the last four years.
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Our black communities are national treasures. I would suspect that never has a group of people given so much to the development and building of a country and culture and received so little in return. To claim that it is the democrats or republicans that caused the lack of respect towards other Americans because of the color of their skin is offensive. It was and remains bigotry, racism, Jim Crow laws (old and new), prejudice and hate that has caused the black community to suffer. And still they rise to the challenge, and still they keep giving. It is time for America to give something back and that will never happen with Trump.
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Trump's views on black people are nothing new. I've read many comments from Republicans over the years through several elections where they repeatedly state their beliefs that:
- All democrats live on welfare. Welfare that only they mind you, Republicans, pay for. They even say this in states that are majority democrat with high employments rates where there aren't enough Republicans to total to the number employed. And, of course, ignore the flow of tax money from "blue" states to "red" states.
- Only Republicans work, and all Republicans work. Thus ignoring rural white poverty and not acknowledging that there are no shortage of Republicans in poorer areas using benefits while railing against government, taxes, and ironically enough, those who don't work. Who are all democrats of course.
- All black people are criminals and thugs. They leave no room for those who are well known and respected for their intellect or achievements. Or the millions of black educated professionals and business people like Demeitrus Williams. It makes me wonder where these people live and work that they don't encounter people like Mr. Williams or even black people with regular jobs.
It helps explain why Obama is forever a "community organizer" and not a lawyer, president of the Harvard Law Review, or a U.S. Senator, or even a U.S. President in terms of his background and experience.
- All democrats live on welfare. Welfare that only they mind you, Republicans, pay for. They even say this in states that are majority democrat with high employments rates where there aren't enough Republicans to total to the number employed. And, of course, ignore the flow of tax money from "blue" states to "red" states.
- Only Republicans work, and all Republicans work. Thus ignoring rural white poverty and not acknowledging that there are no shortage of Republicans in poorer areas using benefits while railing against government, taxes, and ironically enough, those who don't work. Who are all democrats of course.
- All black people are criminals and thugs. They leave no room for those who are well known and respected for their intellect or achievements. Or the millions of black educated professionals and business people like Demeitrus Williams. It makes me wonder where these people live and work that they don't encounter people like Mr. Williams or even black people with regular jobs.
It helps explain why Obama is forever a "community organizer" and not a lawyer, president of the Harvard Law Review, or a U.S. Senator, or even a U.S. President in terms of his background and experience.
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I just had a strange realization. I previously held the belief that Trump has single handily ruined the GOP for the next few decades. I thought, regardless of candidate, the GOP will deal with Trump's aftermath for a long time. But then the story mentioned G.W. Bush. Trump makes G.W. seem like God send. Trump has lowered the GOP bar so low, that it would be extremely easy for the next candidate to look like the best thing since sliced bread. I thought Trump had irrevocably hurt the party, but on second thought, he has made it so much easier for the next candidate to shine like new money. We have been hoodwinked. Lol.
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GW was not a racist. This man is a bonafide racist who will destroy our country. He will cause racial tensions to swell much larger than they are now. Because of his racist chatter, he will destroy the great country that so many have found to save. He is a bad man!
The Democrats biggest fear is that Trump will break their near monopoly on the Black vote.
He only needs to make small inroads to ensure his election.
It certainly is not obvious what benefit a large percentage of Blacks have actually received from their loyalty to the plantation party.
He only needs to make small inroads to ensure his election.
It certainly is not obvious what benefit a large percentage of Blacks have actually received from their loyalty to the plantation party.
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It's understandable that Donald Trump doesn't truly know black people's lives, but then, neither does Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, the majority of the black voters will vote for Clinton, even after all the obvious pandering she's been doing to the black community.
I''ll always remember what President Lyndon Johnson said about black people, and it represented the view shared by most Democrats, especially those who are Liberal Democrats - "Give them just enough to keep them quiet. I'll have those N------ voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
I''ll always remember what President Lyndon Johnson said about black people, and it represented the view shared by most Democrats, especially those who are Liberal Democrats - "Give them just enough to keep them quiet. I'll have those N------ voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
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"I''ll always remember what President Lyndon Johnson said about black people, and it represented the view shared by most Democrats, especially those who are Liberal Democrats - "Give them just enough to keep them quiet. I'll have those N------ voting Democratic for the next 200 years.""
A.B. It is amazing how frequently you see people reference "Nixon's Southern Stategy" while purposely ignoring LBJ's original version!
A.B. It is amazing how frequently you see people reference "Nixon's Southern Stategy" while purposely ignoring LBJ's original version!
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Black Votes Matter:
Deconstructing the inner-city plantation
Ds have controlled inner cities for generations—Milwaukee/108 yrs, Chicago/85…
Trump's appeal to blacks will resonate. An aspirational force exists in all of us. Inner-city, captive Ds may be downtrodden & dependent, but the spirit survives. Like all of us, they dream about success, security & happiness for themselves & their children.
The ultra-wealthy elites have their foundations & other mechanisms to preserve & grow the family fortune. The Clintons are the worst, most depraved example: They rob the people/sell out country as their fake charity/illicit campaign holding cell cheat poor&devastated/enrich cronies/make their ill-gotten billions impervious to IRS
A new lineage of success/security/happiness for inner-city blacks & other captive Democrats…enabled by a Republican.
Imagine the transformation, the realignment…
When deconstructing reflexive black support for the Clintons, Randall Robinson asks—"For God in heaven what for?"
Hillary's superpredators/Firewall"/drag&drop, virulent, insidious, dehumanizing racism/vote-stealing/vote-denial disguised as voting rts. NAACP suing Clintons for intimidating blacks at polls. Clinton crime bill. Rwanda… How to explain Rwanda?
"Be Careful…Genocide finding could commit USG to do something"
nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB53/
"There is such a thing as a lesser evil & Hillary is not it"—Michelle Alexander (The Nation: "Why HC Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote")
Deconstructing the inner-city plantation
Ds have controlled inner cities for generations—Milwaukee/108 yrs, Chicago/85…
Trump's appeal to blacks will resonate. An aspirational force exists in all of us. Inner-city, captive Ds may be downtrodden & dependent, but the spirit survives. Like all of us, they dream about success, security & happiness for themselves & their children.
The ultra-wealthy elites have their foundations & other mechanisms to preserve & grow the family fortune. The Clintons are the worst, most depraved example: They rob the people/sell out country as their fake charity/illicit campaign holding cell cheat poor&devastated/enrich cronies/make their ill-gotten billions impervious to IRS
A new lineage of success/security/happiness for inner-city blacks & other captive Democrats…enabled by a Republican.
Imagine the transformation, the realignment…
When deconstructing reflexive black support for the Clintons, Randall Robinson asks—"For God in heaven what for?"
Hillary's superpredators/Firewall"/drag&drop, virulent, insidious, dehumanizing racism/vote-stealing/vote-denial disguised as voting rts. NAACP suing Clintons for intimidating blacks at polls. Clinton crime bill. Rwanda… How to explain Rwanda?
"Be Careful…Genocide finding could commit USG to do something"
nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB53/
"There is such a thing as a lesser evil & Hillary is not it"—Michelle Alexander (The Nation: "Why HC Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote")
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It should concern all of us when any ethnic or religious group votes as a block. I remember growing up, and watching my family celebrate the election of JFK. Everyone of them ( Irish Catholics) voted for him...they had to and it wasn't an option or they would face the wrath of the group as a whole.
I never understood people not thinking as an individual. I don't think JFK gave a damn about Irish Catholics and history proves that he didn't. He did love the large voting block of Irish Catholics which got him elected.
Donald Trump doesn't give a hoot about the Black population and Hillary Clinton doesn't either. They want votes and large voting blocks are easy pickings just like Unions used to be...be very careful when you give up your vote and your valuable right as an individual when you choose to go with the group.
I never understood people not thinking as an individual. I don't think JFK gave a damn about Irish Catholics and history proves that he didn't. He did love the large voting block of Irish Catholics which got him elected.
Donald Trump doesn't give a hoot about the Black population and Hillary Clinton doesn't either. They want votes and large voting blocks are easy pickings just like Unions used to be...be very careful when you give up your vote and your valuable right as an individual when you choose to go with the group.
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It's almost comical to watch the left reversing itself on race. What problems in the inner cities?? What is Trump talking about??
And who is Trump talking to? It must be to only whites because there are only white faces in his audiences. Blacks cannot possibly hear his message if they're not standing in front of him.
Trump came stomping into the race discussion and heads are spinning. How dae he? He's not been anointed to speak on race, not after one meeting with 100 black pastors.
Come on, democrats! It's not as though you haven't run inner cities for decades, and it's not as though they're not plagued with problems. And it's not as though you haven't had a monopoly on the black vote.
It's about time someone came in and shook things up. Blacks deserve to hear from other political candidates, regardless of where and how New Yawkish the message is delivered.
And who is Trump talking to? It must be to only whites because there are only white faces in his audiences. Blacks cannot possibly hear his message if they're not standing in front of him.
Trump came stomping into the race discussion and heads are spinning. How dae he? He's not been anointed to speak on race, not after one meeting with 100 black pastors.
Come on, democrats! It's not as though you haven't run inner cities for decades, and it's not as though they're not plagued with problems. And it's not as though you haven't had a monopoly on the black vote.
It's about time someone came in and shook things up. Blacks deserve to hear from other political candidates, regardless of where and how New Yawkish the message is delivered.
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Trump was describing the conditions that nearly 12% of the 46 million Americans who live in poverty currently languish in. That 12% represents 11 million African-Americans, 50% of those live twice below the poverty level representing the poorest of the poor. His message,"what have you got to lose!" resonates with millions of Americans who have lost everything in this economy for decades.
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Really? The half of an episode of The Wire Trump had on in the background while he boasted about his golf courses to potential bankruptcy victims and tweeted about how attractive his daughter is didn't give him an accurate view of the African-American experience?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.
I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.
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So I live in Europe, followed him just as fun. One thing is very common since the day one, any body and everybody who tried to defame him, was washed away. Half of things people say are comments about women, but he is so generalist about women, then obviously no women should have stood in with him, but that's not true.
The worst thing is, that the American press is so messed up that people have stopped trusting press, Fox always talks in favor of him, rest all talks against him, no matter what.
Very Sad, world needs strong America, without American economy and American power, we are looking for communist powers taking over, imagine China taking over Americas position.
If I'm the voter, I will forget my past loyalty, and will take every opportunity to listen to both candidates directly, not through FB, Twitter, TV and definitely through News papers.
Hope at the end I would be able to make right decision.
Cheers
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The worst thing is, that the American press is so messed up that people have stopped trusting press, Fox always talks in favor of him, rest all talks against him, no matter what.
Very Sad, world needs strong America, without American economy and American power, we are looking for communist powers taking over, imagine China taking over Americas position.
If I'm the voter, I will forget my past loyalty, and will take every opportunity to listen to both candidates directly, not through FB, Twitter, TV and definitely through News papers.
Hope at the end I would be able to make right decision.
Cheers
A
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Yes, the media is working very hard to prevent Trump from getting elected. They loved him when he was bashing republicans, whom they despise unless they hold liberal views like their own.
What you are seeing is the big disconnect between the wealthy and powerful, which includes the Washington DC crowd (the Clintons are king and queen of the D's), the media*, Hollywood*, etc., and the rest of America. There are literally billions of dollars sloshing around DC. Trump represents a huuuge threat to a lot of people's livelihoods and power. Of course, that is precisely why the little guy likes him.
William F. Buckley, Jr., a very smart conservative, once said:
"I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."
This is one of those moments when the little guy has a very different take on things. A vote for Trump is entrusting them.
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* Read "This Town: Two Parties and a Funeral-Plus, Plenty of Valet Parking!-in America's Gilded Capital" by Mark Leibovich if you want to see how incestuous the media is with the powerful in DC. It's a terrific read.
What you are seeing is the big disconnect between the wealthy and powerful, which includes the Washington DC crowd (the Clintons are king and queen of the D's), the media*, Hollywood*, etc., and the rest of America. There are literally billions of dollars sloshing around DC. Trump represents a huuuge threat to a lot of people's livelihoods and power. Of course, that is precisely why the little guy likes him.
William F. Buckley, Jr., a very smart conservative, once said:
"I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."
This is one of those moments when the little guy has a very different take on things. A vote for Trump is entrusting them.
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* Read "This Town: Two Parties and a Funeral-Plus, Plenty of Valet Parking!-in America's Gilded Capital" by Mark Leibovich if you want to see how incestuous the media is with the powerful in DC. It's a terrific read.
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Why blacks are offended? If what Trump says isn't true, then why do we have Black Lives Matter, why blacks are burning and looting in Baltimore, why are they complaining of "white racist" institutions? But when it's time to vote, they are all flocking to democrats, who have their black props running (or ruining) major American cities. Black majors tells police to stand down, so blacks could "vent their anger". So, are you angry or are you offended? Can't be both.
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Trump's ultimate downfall is that, even assuming he actually is running this campaign to turn the Washington establishment on its head, he has no clue about the state of the Union and hence how to accomplish his objective.
It's one thing to come back from commercial bankruptcies, but for over a year now he has consistently shown a lack of nuanced understanding of our domestic social and economic issues and how to work with the interested parties - he literally does not understand what it takes to be a social leader, let alone a political one. What may pass as a bad joke or a pun in a business setting can be devastating to a political audience! Quit trying to be a wisecrack when you are actually just adding insult to injury! Imagine how the man's need to be the center of attention will also be a nightmare in foreign relations!
Yikes!
I dare say that schmoozing with the wealthy elite in Russia and China is night and day compared with dealing with Putin or China's Xi as POTUS. He constantly boasts of his business negotiation acumen, what he may not have any idea of is that those two countries want our consumers but none of our political brand.
This is likely the only country left in the world that can stand up to big repressive regimes like Russia and China. We can scarcely afford to have a US president publicly ask Putin for more personal favors.
It's one thing to come back from commercial bankruptcies, but for over a year now he has consistently shown a lack of nuanced understanding of our domestic social and economic issues and how to work with the interested parties - he literally does not understand what it takes to be a social leader, let alone a political one. What may pass as a bad joke or a pun in a business setting can be devastating to a political audience! Quit trying to be a wisecrack when you are actually just adding insult to injury! Imagine how the man's need to be the center of attention will also be a nightmare in foreign relations!
Yikes!
I dare say that schmoozing with the wealthy elite in Russia and China is night and day compared with dealing with Putin or China's Xi as POTUS. He constantly boasts of his business negotiation acumen, what he may not have any idea of is that those two countries want our consumers but none of our political brand.
This is likely the only country left in the world that can stand up to big repressive regimes like Russia and China. We can scarcely afford to have a US president publicly ask Putin for more personal favors.
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apparently the current politicians have no clue about the State f the Union as they have failed to accomplish anything. All we have had over the past eight years is a failed Affordable Care Act that will have to be re-written and an additional ten TRILLION dollars of debt.
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Black America?
What exactly does that mean?
If there truly is a 'Black America' and a 'White America', then America is toast.
What exactly does that mean?
If there truly is a 'Black America' and a 'White America', then America is toast.
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Where have you been?
Marketers identify it by zip code. So do realtors.
Schools identify it by bus routes.
Business developers mark the terrority by the absence of basic services like supermarkets and drug stores.
Mortgage lenders target these areas.
State governments switch their wate supply.
State governments take over these municipals.
State governments underfund their schools.
Their schools are marked by a school to prison track.
It's deeper than skin color. It's economic dislocation.
But's there; visible and real. (Bring the butter.)
Marketers identify it by zip code. So do realtors.
Schools identify it by bus routes.
Business developers mark the terrority by the absence of basic services like supermarkets and drug stores.
Mortgage lenders target these areas.
State governments switch their wate supply.
State governments take over these municipals.
State governments underfund their schools.
Their schools are marked by a school to prison track.
It's deeper than skin color. It's economic dislocation.
But's there; visible and real. (Bring the butter.)
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Decades of redlining, white flight, and race-based housing practices have lead to a white America and black America. We can blame white America for that.
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I'm white, so-called. The people who lived in the house directly behind me for the first 30 years or so that I lived in my own house were black, so-called. That house currently stands empty. Which America do I live in?
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At least Donald Trump is bringing up poor blacks and involving their plight in his agenda. When has this ever been done during a Presidential election? I don't ever recall Mitt Romney or President Obama mentioning the poor blacks in our country and including them in their agendas. So, instead of looking at this as a ploy to solicit black votes, maybe you should look at it as someone finally including poor blacks in our national discussion of problems with our country that needs to be fixed once and for all!
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kcl: Why would anyone care what promises Obama made during his campaign 8 years ago when we have the actual results of his actions over the past 8 years to look at?
That is exactly the problem Democrats have in keeping their monopoly on Black votes. Promises, promises, but never any action or results. Eventually, Blacks will wake up, and that is Hillary's nightmare.
That is exactly the problem Democrats have in keeping their monopoly on Black votes. Promises, promises, but never any action or results. Eventually, Blacks will wake up, and that is Hillary's nightmare.
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kcl, perhaps you can refresh me on Obama's first campaign by citing what exactly it is that pertains to poor blacks in the inner city? Actually I did not know about Trump and his father being sued for housing discrimination against African Americans back during the 1970s. I just checked out the CNN report via video and I read an article from the New York Times, and some others. From my impression, this was a witch hunt by the Department of Justice during it's time in the seventies. The "damning" evidence is comprised of "alleged statements" and what seems to me as hear-say, about what the Trump organization was doing. I can understand why Donald Trump fought this lawsuit by trying to sue the Department of Justice who first issued it, with evidence of "alleged statements" and no written proof on paper as concrete evidence, just "hear-say". Trump never admitted guilt. So, while you smugly comment that my claim is laughable, I beg you to research this lawsuit yourself and take notice at "alleged statements" made by those who supposedly worked for Trump. From what I know, for Donald Trump to have a multi-billion dollar business empire, he can't be an idiot! As far as Trump being a liar and a bigot, well, it seems like it's all subject to opinion, especially by those in the media who publish the stories!
Donald Trump's message to "Blacks" is aimed at the large groups living in crime infested communities
IT IS A FACT, that Democrats have controlled those cities for many, many decades
Mr. Trump's 'pitch' is simply this: "If you like the outcomes of what you've gotten from Democratic Politics, then you should keep voting for them
REALITY-CHECK: All that I can see that Mr. Trump is really offering them is more Law & Order. The expected outcome of that agenda, if it is successful, will be a lot more young black men locked up, because they are the ones responsible
Mr Trump claims he will be the JOBs President, but he hasn't offered a glimmer of any hint at doing anything that will actually bring more jobs
His Trade positions are very unlikely to make anything more than a very tiny difference
WHAT HE IS REALLY PROMISING IS
*Tax Cuts and massive benefits to the 1%{himself included}
*Massive increases in National Debt
*Federal Courts staffed with more Scalia Types
*More Flint Michigan, More Chemical Plant fires, More environmental disasters
*More actual Deportations, most of Obama's were fake deportations, end of catch-&-release
*Wall won't get built, can't do it through Executive Action alone, GOP won't have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate
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To REALLY CREATE JOBS, we need to begin an nationwide infrastructure upgrade, on the same scale as Eisenhower did with the National Highway System
PROB WITH STIMULUS that can get through Congress, it will always be tilted to the 1%
IT IS A FACT, that Democrats have controlled those cities for many, many decades
Mr. Trump's 'pitch' is simply this: "If you like the outcomes of what you've gotten from Democratic Politics, then you should keep voting for them
REALITY-CHECK: All that I can see that Mr. Trump is really offering them is more Law & Order. The expected outcome of that agenda, if it is successful, will be a lot more young black men locked up, because they are the ones responsible
Mr Trump claims he will be the JOBs President, but he hasn't offered a glimmer of any hint at doing anything that will actually bring more jobs
His Trade positions are very unlikely to make anything more than a very tiny difference
WHAT HE IS REALLY PROMISING IS
*Tax Cuts and massive benefits to the 1%{himself included}
*Massive increases in National Debt
*Federal Courts staffed with more Scalia Types
*More Flint Michigan, More Chemical Plant fires, More environmental disasters
*More actual Deportations, most of Obama's were fake deportations, end of catch-&-release
*Wall won't get built, can't do it through Executive Action alone, GOP won't have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate
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To REALLY CREATE JOBS, we need to begin an nationwide infrastructure upgrade, on the same scale as Eisenhower did with the National Highway System
PROB WITH STIMULUS that can get through Congress, it will always be tilted to the 1%
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I commented here hours ago regarding the NYT incessant support of the democrat myth that all nonwhite Americans think alike. It is a lie! You know it is and so do democrats. So start telling the truth and quit pouring gas and playing with matches.
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The only one "pouring gas and playing with matches" in this election season is Donald Trump.
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The New York Times is now an expert on what blacks think. In fact, black talking heads are experts too. It's not hard to understand why blacks may have such a hard time being heard. They have to break through so many "experts" who purport to speak for them.
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Trump is the one using gasoline and playing with matches. Don't burn down your house if you have nowhere to go.
67 people shot over the memorial day weekend in Chicago. 55 of them Black. That is who he is talking about. !5 of 30 people murdered a day in America are Black males between the ages of 17 and 34 that is who he is talking about. 2% of the population. Open your eyes to inner city ghetto America showing at a city near you.
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Trump has said that his administration will bring black-on-black crime to an end. That will alleviate the problem of over-incarceration and lead to greater stabilization of black families.
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And I wonder how many poor rural whites died from opioid overdose during the same time period? Folks from Massachusetts to Appalachia to Idaho. There are real problems here that are much bigger than the race-baiting charlatan Donald Trump. Poor addicted whites no more represent the total of white America than do those "gang-bangers" stand for all blacks.
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You may not know this Sean because Donald Trump has somehow lived 70 years and doesn't know but all black people aren't poor or live in the inner city, around 25% of us do. With a smaller percentage acting out in the way you described, it bears repeating that the large majority of African Americans are law abiding, hardworking, and raising their families outside of these dilapidated areas.
While the Democrats have indeed failed poor black people and this subject is worthy of conversation, you can not convince me to vote for you by reciting and speaking to the worst stereotypes about us because if that is all you know then you don't know much.
While the Democrats have indeed failed poor black people and this subject is worthy of conversation, you can not convince me to vote for you by reciting and speaking to the worst stereotypes about us because if that is all you know then you don't know much.
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I've never assumed that anything Trump is saying about black voters is actually directed at black voters.
This entire week has been political theatre devoted to white GOP voters to play to their stereotypes of race relations. How many speeches has he given in predominantly white suburbs versus big cities?
You can look right at The Times' coverage of his speech in Wisconsin last week, see the seams of this entire approach, and know exactly how this demographic will respond.
He knows exactly what he's doing: giving white moderate Republicans just enough benefit of a doubt about his virulent hatred to get their votes by feigning to reach out.
This entire week has been political theatre devoted to white GOP voters to play to their stereotypes of race relations. How many speeches has he given in predominantly white suburbs versus big cities?
You can look right at The Times' coverage of his speech in Wisconsin last week, see the seams of this entire approach, and know exactly how this demographic will respond.
He knows exactly what he's doing: giving white moderate Republicans just enough benefit of a doubt about his virulent hatred to get their votes by feigning to reach out.
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Not politics, but economics destroyed America's cities. Baltimore/Cleveland/Chicago/Detroit saw an exit of manufacturing wages and benefits. Blacks know this. Apparently, Republicans don't.
Every community has protocols of entry and reception; those offered to Trump, speeches at the national conventions of the NAACP, the Urban League, the National Association of Black and Latino Journalists, he declined time after time. Now he wants the black community to decline the legacy of Frederick Douglass, Mary McCloud Bethune, Thurgood Marshall, Martin Luther King, Jr., Shirley Chisholm, John Lewis, Fannie Lou Hamer, and Barack Obama and meet him halfway.
Trump has not offered tribute or recognition of black achievement in any form, except an implied capacity to dodge bullets. He is not the first bigot to preach salvation and pretend black lives are a living hell without looking at the causes which lie in the very racism he advances by pretending it doesn’t exist.
He is the first to do so from all-white exurbs. His tactic eerily remains us of sun-downing: no blacks allowed after dusk, signs once read in Midwest towns across the plains.
Now he wants to use an immigration policy he condemned, created by a President he called incompetent. Blacks find no kindred satisfaction in his fawning over Putin, his manufacturing overseas, his China debt, the ethnic-cleansing of his rallies, his 2nd amendment threat, his naked wife, his pay-to-play terms for our allies, his lack of empathy. No!
Every community has protocols of entry and reception; those offered to Trump, speeches at the national conventions of the NAACP, the Urban League, the National Association of Black and Latino Journalists, he declined time after time. Now he wants the black community to decline the legacy of Frederick Douglass, Mary McCloud Bethune, Thurgood Marshall, Martin Luther King, Jr., Shirley Chisholm, John Lewis, Fannie Lou Hamer, and Barack Obama and meet him halfway.
Trump has not offered tribute or recognition of black achievement in any form, except an implied capacity to dodge bullets. He is not the first bigot to preach salvation and pretend black lives are a living hell without looking at the causes which lie in the very racism he advances by pretending it doesn’t exist.
He is the first to do so from all-white exurbs. His tactic eerily remains us of sun-downing: no blacks allowed after dusk, signs once read in Midwest towns across the plains.
Now he wants to use an immigration policy he condemned, created by a President he called incompetent. Blacks find no kindred satisfaction in his fawning over Putin, his manufacturing overseas, his China debt, the ethnic-cleansing of his rallies, his 2nd amendment threat, his naked wife, his pay-to-play terms for our allies, his lack of empathy. No!
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I agree with so much you say but may I correct something. Baltimore is not destroyed. The killing of Freddie Gray was heartbreaking. What people saw one night on TV really happened; there were buildings destroyed. Not very many actually. But some. And all of it was heartbreaking for this Baltimorean.
And our police have lost their way. I'm sure most are good guys but something very wrong set in. We have to deal with that. There's something not working.
Regardless, most of Baltimore is a vibrant and charming town so much loved by us, its residents, and we are not so much a city of white here and black there as was true generations ago. Those people left. Today's Baltimorians are not much about race and are largely in it together.
Come visit. You'll see much more that is vibrant and lively than abandoned or dangerous.
And our police have lost their way. I'm sure most are good guys but something very wrong set in. We have to deal with that. There's something not working.
Regardless, most of Baltimore is a vibrant and charming town so much loved by us, its residents, and we are not so much a city of white here and black there as was true generations ago. Those people left. Today's Baltimorians are not much about race and are largely in it together.
Come visit. You'll see much more that is vibrant and lively than abandoned or dangerous.
All of the Cities you mention (and you forgot Washington DC), most notably Chicago, have been under Democratic control for ever. Has the Democratic party control in Chicago been a good thing for its white citizens? That's what DT is talking about - that he is saying it doesn't change its truth.
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I meant to say black citizens in my comment about dem control of Cities -and repeat that DT saying something true doesn't make it false
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Notwithstanding the benign neglect to which the African Americans have been subjected over the years by successive governments including the Democratic ones too, the community has traversed a long distance from its painful slave past, and now become an integral part of the American dream and its future. The dire picture of the Blacks depicted by Trump and his empty concerns about the Black plight as a part of his outreach seem simply a last minute patch up that, instead of having desired results would rather add an insult to injury to their self-esteem as the proud Americans.
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Go ahead, keep making the argument for why patronizing government programs benefiting blacks - or anyone based on race, for that matter - is a racist insult to their self-esteem. I agree.
We have not "now become an integral part of the American dream." We have been here in America just as long as the white settlers. We BUILT this country right alongside the colonialists. We have ALWAYS been part of the American dream. And that "painful slave past" is not something that belongs to the black community. It is the legacy of everyone in this country. Just as I own the American dream and the American myths and the American heroes like Washington and Jefferson, so, too, do all Americans own all parts of our history, including slavery.
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JaiPrakash, please visit the crime ridden and poor areas of NE+SE DC within a mile or so of the us capital: black poor and no change in 8 years of obama. If not , write in Indian newspapers only.
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Trump is the most wildly, loud incompetent candidate for president I ever have seen from any party in my 70 years. This includes George C. Wallace, Ted Cruz, and candidates from fringe parties. It's almost sad to watch Trump's next act and the next and the one after that. He's always inventing. He never shows evidence of deliberate thought, which should be the first capacity of any president.
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What's really sad is the number of people that support him.
Don't you just love it when a billionaire who has no clue tells you how YOU are living? So this is Donald Trump's new, kind, understanding, and loving temperament. No thanks.
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As far as most can see he is no billionaire, just a self-proclaimed expert in using OPM - other peoples´money. In this case Russian and Chinese financing.
Condescending, uninformed and insulting. That Trump really thinks he can win the African American vote by talking about them with wild inaccuracy to the group whose backbone is white supremacy shows how over-inflated his ego is and how incredibly stupid he is.
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On the dot my friend. Right on the dot.
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The great irony is that this lifelong New York City real estate developer who is so concerned about conditions in the inner city and among the poor has never laid as much as a brick towards providing affordable housing--the need for which has expanded into the working and middle classes.
I would elaborate further but must go walk my dog; sure hope I don't get shot once out of my doorman's sight (it is tourist season in my Manhattan neighborhood and heaven knows how many of them are armed).
I would elaborate further but must go walk my dog; sure hope I don't get shot once out of my doorman's sight (it is tourist season in my Manhattan neighborhood and heaven knows how many of them are armed).
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Good point Gus!
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Did you ever see the horror movie "The Purge"? Trump saw it and thought it was a documentary....
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Trump did not generalize. He said "in many cases." How many liberal whites have to put up with the conditions of Ferguson or North Milwaukee? The fact that not all blacks live there is irrelevant.
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In many cases, white Americans are living in squalid, rat-infested, trailer parks. In many cases, the white man of the house has committed suicide because of alcoholism, joblessness, and hopelessness.
In many cases, their white children have taken to shooting heroine and smoking methamphetamine to ease the pain of having no viable options for the future.
In many cases, the white mother has been forced to take work stripping in the local dive bar to pay the rent.
In many cases, the white family has been forced to live in their car and shop at a food bank because the mother lost her job at the strip club.
In many cases, the white daughter has overdosed on oxycontin and the son has contracted HIV from the use of infected IV needles.
This is the reality for many white families across the country.
So much so that Charles Murray wrote a book on the subject. The fact that all whites don't live this way is irrelevant.
In many cases, their white children have taken to shooting heroine and smoking methamphetamine to ease the pain of having no viable options for the future.
In many cases, the white mother has been forced to take work stripping in the local dive bar to pay the rent.
In many cases, the white family has been forced to live in their car and shop at a food bank because the mother lost her job at the strip club.
In many cases, the white daughter has overdosed on oxycontin and the son has contracted HIV from the use of infected IV needles.
This is the reality for many white families across the country.
So much so that Charles Murray wrote a book on the subject. The fact that all whites don't live this way is irrelevant.
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"In many cases" is a generalization. Very insulting comments on his part.
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"In many cases, white Americans are living in squalid, rat-infested, trailer parks."
And yet, the article was about the conditions in large cities, nice job of deflection though!
There are plenty of articles about white addiction and poverty where you can gloat about their plight. For now, stay on topic, please.
And yet, the article was about the conditions in large cities, nice job of deflection though!
There are plenty of articles about white addiction and poverty where you can gloat about their plight. For now, stay on topic, please.
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I hate to mention anything that might inadvertently cast Trump in a less-bad light, but — as for "... left many black voters angry, dumbfounded or both. Interviews with roughly a dozen blacks here turned up no one who found any appeal in Mr. Trump’s remarks."
Wait: Interviews with approximately 12 people lead to a news article about what "blacks" think? Headline: "Black Voters Don’t Recognize Trump’s View of Their Lives." Another headline: "Donald Trump’s Description of Black America Is Offending Those Living in It."
This may be true! But certainly interviews with roughly a dozen black voters in Atlanta goes exactly nowhere towards verifying it.
Suggestion: Learn the basics of statistics, and then apply them.
Wait: Interviews with approximately 12 people lead to a news article about what "blacks" think? Headline: "Black Voters Don’t Recognize Trump’s View of Their Lives." Another headline: "Donald Trump’s Description of Black America Is Offending Those Living in It."
This may be true! But certainly interviews with roughly a dozen black voters in Atlanta goes exactly nowhere towards verifying it.
Suggestion: Learn the basics of statistics, and then apply them.
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This isn't a study.
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How about the fact that 91% of African-Americans (large sample polls) can't stand the guy. With that statistic it's not "surprising" to randomly find 12 who happen to be in accordance with the 91%.
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The statistics say that African American voters prefer Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump 91 to 1 or better.
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Voting for Trump is like voting for someone with Churchillian traits, both good and bad. Voting for Hillary is like voting for Mugabe.
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Wow! Equating Trump with Churchill is like equating a whiny ignorant 8 yr old with a successful educated adult. Churchill wrote a multi volume history of the British peoples. It's not clear that Trump ever read a book. Churchill was a complex man and exactly what Britain needed at the time. Trump is an uncomplicated, silver spoon in his mouth blowhard. Trump is the last thing the US needs now or at any time I can think of.
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This comment contains no facts, just opinion. Trump is much more authoritative than Hillary if that is the comparison you are trying to make.
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Nice try.
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One only has to look at large blighted cities like Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland or Detroit, where the democrat party has controlled municipal politics for generations, to see how the resulting out of control violent crime, failing public education, broken homes, and chronic unemployment have enslaved black Americans to the twin evils of government dependence and intergenerational poverty, to realize that Trump is on to something.
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Bear seems to see the same dark world that Trump sees, but somehow doesn't see Kansas for the Republican economic mess that it is or that places that are "democrat controlled" are usually among the wealthiest, best educated areas to live,
Nothing is as simple as who has control. Especially when control is an illusion or simply short lived.
Nothing is as simple as who has control. Especially when control is an illusion or simply short lived.
Spoken by someone who doesn't live in any of those cities. Come out to Oakland. It's wonderful!
Right! I have always thought Trump was on something. But I do not believe that the condition of our large inner cities is attributable to any one party - these conditions have been building for a very long time. The solution must come from our so-called Congress, those who control the law and the money.
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"Try something new, like Trump," says Trump, pitching himself as just another tacky branded product from the shelves of the Trump gift shop. Trump Water, Trump Ties. Trump Steak. Now, Trump President. We're witnessing a cringe-worthy infomercial, not a presidential run.
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Any wonder why he is only polling at 1% of the Black vote? Clueless, truly.
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Well, would it hurt for blacks to hear the man out? Would it hurt to do some serious soul searching as opposed to staunchly standing with the Democrat party? Have Democrat policies really helped the poorest of poor blacks in the inner city work their way out of poverty? Something has to change, new policies need to be explored. Instead of people automatically crying out "Reaganomics", why not listen to Trump's proposals and seriously weigh them against Hillary Clinton's. Is this too much to ask when you have a choice between Trump or Clinton?!
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"Trump's proposals"? I'm yet to hear them. No, seriously. Not just this. Anything for that matter.
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The neglect hits all of America's poor. Instead of funding inner-city schools properly, or those in poor white areas, the U.S.A. have a system which distributes funds according to the tax base in a given school district, which means schools with inadequate resources, unmotivated teachers (some of whom, sorry to say, can't even write a letter to parents that is error-free), and very low expectations as to the children they teach. That has been the case under Democrat and Republican presidencies. Education and encouragement by teaching personnel can effect more than police controls and the lot.
I suggest reading Kozol's: Death at an Early Age; even though the book was written over two decades ago, the points it makes are, regrettably enough, still true.
Trump should ask himself if he is truly willing to take on a reform of school funding.
I suggest reading Kozol's: Death at an Early Age; even though the book was written over two decades ago, the points it makes are, regrettably enough, still true.
Trump should ask himself if he is truly willing to take on a reform of school funding.
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Donald Trump may loathe to release health information because it would only confirm that he suffers from terminal hoof in mouth disease.
What does any voter have to lose by voting for Trump? Everything that the U.S. Constitution and its Amendments stand for, starting with the rule of law and the principle of equality under it.
What does any voter have to lose by voting for Trump? Everything that the U.S. Constitution and its Amendments stand for, starting with the rule of law and the principle of equality under it.
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No one wants to admit failure. It is always the fault of someone else.
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Trump's description of black America is the same as the ignorant chain mail they hope to pass around the work group.
Unfortunately for them, educated people are repelled by it, and are open to dispelling it. Yes, it makes a difference when perception "Trumps" reality. I'll say it. If you support Trump, you are showing your ignorance to the American History you learned growing up.
Unfortunately for them, educated people are repelled by it, and are open to dispelling it. Yes, it makes a difference when perception "Trumps" reality. I'll say it. If you support Trump, you are showing your ignorance to the American History you learned growing up.
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I support Trump because our country is heading in the wrong direction. I voted for President Obama in 2008 and I regretted it by 2011, and I even changed my party affiliation because of Obama. I was supporting Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina before Trump inevitably won the Republican primary. Trump is not a politician nor does he follow the doctrine of politically correct speech, which shocks people but hey, we are not used to it! Trump is refreshing, Trump is something new, Trump represents real change and I am willing to take a chance on him to see what he can do as our next President. If George Bush Jr., who was a C- student, didn't totally destroy our country while serving as our President, I can have faith in Trump, who is no idiot, running our country as our next President.
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I've never voted for a Republican president but if my choice was George W Bush or Trump I would easily go with "W". Trump is by far less prepared than the unprepared and unschooled "W".
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Trump is a shallow and superficial dimwit with little knowledge of the nuance and diversity of the world. No where close to qualified or capable as a leader.
As a 65 year old white guy, I've heard Trump try to speak with a white person's eyes, brain and mouth about African-Americans.
Trump claims he is smart, yet doesn't like to read. He should develop an appreciation of reading, he really should.
There's a book I would highly recommend that he read, a book that is 55 years old. It's "Black Like Me," certainly dated, but certainly a primer for Trump now that he is ending his speeches with "what have you got to lose?"
Trump, if he's as smart as he claims, would find out exactly what African Americans would lose, given what Trump has said and how he's acted while campaigning.
I don't think Trump would read a book explaining African American problems if it was written by a person of color, so maybe a book written by a white guy faking color would get his attention.
Probably not.
Trump claims he is smart, yet doesn't like to read. He should develop an appreciation of reading, he really should.
There's a book I would highly recommend that he read, a book that is 55 years old. It's "Black Like Me," certainly dated, but certainly a primer for Trump now that he is ending his speeches with "what have you got to lose?"
Trump, if he's as smart as he claims, would find out exactly what African Americans would lose, given what Trump has said and how he's acted while campaigning.
I don't think Trump would read a book explaining African American problems if it was written by a person of color, so maybe a book written by a white guy faking color would get his attention.
Probably not.
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Right on!
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Sir, you are assuming that Trump does not read. If this were the case I highly doubt that Trump would have made it through College and to become the business mogul that he is! Trump would be working at a 7/11 at his old age if the man never read nor bothered to brush up on his education. Now, with regards to the inner city, have our policies over the past 50 so years helped the poorest blacks rise out of poverty?! Republicans are just as much to blame as Democrats but at least Donald Trump is bringing up the issue. Everyone thinks this is Trump's ploy to get black votes but he is doing something that has never been done in past Presidential debates, bring up the plight of poor blacks in the inner cities with proposals on how to fix the problem. Is this not a step in the right direction?! Is this not an attempt to include poor blacks into our politics and give them a voice?! Something has to change, our polices of the past are not working, and with Donald Trump, we have some fresh new proposals that we should try giving a chance.
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What, exactly, are his "proposals on how to fix the problem?"
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Odd, the broadcasters didn't make much of the AP's Trumped Up analysis. Must have figured out they flubbed it before Five. I bet Donald is furious his opportunity to finally make Hillary the story got Trumped by earthquakes and that Tornado that blew down his VP's Starbucks like an espresso train.
Over shadowed by reality, imagine that.
Over shadowed by reality, imagine that.
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Abby:
Don't know why you call the AP's report trumped up. Of course, it didn't get much coverage considering the quality of coverage this election season. But, why is it necessary for you to put down your candidate's opposition by using the tragedies of earthquakes and tornados? Why not sell the good points of your candidate instead?
Don't know why you call the AP's report trumped up. Of course, it didn't get much coverage considering the quality of coverage this election season. But, why is it necessary for you to put down your candidate's opposition by using the tragedies of earthquakes and tornados? Why not sell the good points of your candidate instead?
Watching and reading the main stream media, one would easily get the impression that African Americans live in a state of perpetual outrage. Either it's as bad as we've been lead to believe - in which case Trump is right - or its all ginned up - and we've been played for suckers. Either way, if you cry wolf long enough, people will stop caring.
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Just because things are bad, doesn't mean that Trump is the answer. If this condescending narcissist is the best hope for struggling people, the entire country should be very afraid.
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Trump may not be the answer for the future, but Hillary and the Democrats certainly haven't been the answer, based on their past performance. As Einstein defined insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, hoping for a different result.
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Trump is the answer to nothing.
Or rather, in the future, Trump will be the answer to a Jeopardy question: What is a bigot.
Or rather, in the future, Trump will be the answer to a Jeopardy question: What is a bigot.
What we have learned from Donald Trump about Black Americans and where they live in our USA: One segment gets shot. The other segment shoots. There are no other segments. Donald J. Trump has this all figured out. (Sarcasm alert)
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Not only that, but Trump Alone can solve this situation! Somehow! Hugely! And he will make Africa pay for it!
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Believe me!
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Watching Anderson Cooper tonight, he had his usual panel discussing Trumps latest shift on immigration and how he called Hillary Clinton a racist.
When the question was asked of the panel, "Do you know what a racist is?"....several panelist in unison responded unequivocally...TRUMP!
There you have it. Who knew AC360 could be a comedy show.
When the question was asked of the panel, "Do you know what a racist is?"....several panelist in unison responded unequivocally...TRUMP!
There you have it. Who knew AC360 could be a comedy show.
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To paraphrase my brother, what do black Americans have to gain by voting for Trump?
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Prosperity and freedom from government
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How can they be prosperous when racist banks nationwide freeze them out of the mortgage loan system? School boards appropriate budget money aimed at minority schools and shift it to affluent white neighborhoods; police constantly harassing and murdering black people, killing off 600 already this year; voter identification laws inhibit large turnouts in minority communities; the list goes on my friend. Prosperity is not the only issue, and the only freedom they seek is what white people have: the freedom to live without fear.
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"… freedom from government"
Oh boy , the right's hatred of government is full blown, all we need is "freedom from government." Let's take it to the extreme that is evident in this phrase. Take down all the stop signs at intersections. (Government put them there). Eliminate speeding laws (government enacted them) Do away with funding the military (government funded the Dept. of Defense) Do away with the N. I. H., the C. D. C, the FAA, and the list goes on and on. I wish Ronald Reagan had never said "Government is the problem." His followers interpreted this remark as "eliminate government, " rather than "fix government."
Oh boy , the right's hatred of government is full blown, all we need is "freedom from government." Let's take it to the extreme that is evident in this phrase. Take down all the stop signs at intersections. (Government put them there). Eliminate speeding laws (government enacted them) Do away with funding the military (government funded the Dept. of Defense) Do away with the N. I. H., the C. D. C, the FAA, and the list goes on and on. I wish Ronald Reagan had never said "Government is the problem." His followers interpreted this remark as "eliminate government, " rather than "fix government."
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This is the first time that I have ever agreed with Al Sharpton. You should never generalize anything about any person, any religion, or any people no matter who they are.
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Generally, "all" Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity.
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duh? and "all" christians beieve in christ and "all" jews do not. your point is what and relevant to this thought how?
I hope egregious comments like these from Trump energize people of all stripes to actually vote and to encourage others to actually vote - not just against Trump - but against the entirety of the Republican ticket who continue support his presidential campaign tacitly or otherwise.
What have we got to lose by voting against the entirety of the Republican ticket ?
What have we got to lose by voting against the entirety of the Republican ticket ?
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I hope your question goes viral!
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You can lose our country. You can lose any chance of our country rebounding economically. You can lose our Constitution. You can lose personal freedoms while being forced to accept the government mandated freedoms of others. The Republican party is not evil, it just has a bunch of people in seats of power who need to be replaced through term limits and voting in people of good conscience. Don't forget, the Democrats were the party of the KKK, not the Republicans, and no Republican ever owned a slave back in the day, the Democrats did...
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The Democrats were the party of the KKK? Yes, in the decades prior to the passing of the Civil Rights act. Since then , the Republicans have enjoyed having the support of the KKK of today and other White Nationalist entities. Willful ignorance is on display in this assertion about the Democrats and the KKK.
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Donald Trump wants me to believe that black Americans are really up against it, all of them, and they should just give him a shot. After all, it can't be any worse for them.
Sorry, pal, you're wrong. About people with brown skin, about Muslims, about our "need for a Trump presidency".
Mr. Trump, you are exactly the fraud Mitt Romney described. The only things we need from you are your silence and an absence from meaningful political discourse.
Sorry, pal, you're wrong. About people with brown skin, about Muslims, about our "need for a Trump presidency".
Mr. Trump, you are exactly the fraud Mitt Romney described. The only things we need from you are your silence and an absence from meaningful political discourse.
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And how are things in Ferguson? Just peachy keen? No racism there, of course.
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At least Donald Trump is bringing up poor blacks and involving their plight in his agenda. When has this ever been done during a Presidential election? I don't ever recall Mitt Romney or President Obama mentioning the poor blacks in our country and including them in their agendas. So, instead of looking at this as a ploy to solicit black votes, maybe you should look at it as someone finally including poor blacks in our national discussion of problems with our country that needs to be fixed once and for all!
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Ferguson, Missouri, is run by a group of White Republicans, and has been for decades. The racist policing and judicial system in that city is purely due to their decision to finance their municipal government out of the pockets of the black and poor residents. If you actually understood anything about the reasons that Ferguson became such a flashpoint for unrest, you would know that Ferguson actually proves T Raymond Anthony's point.
Can't wait for Donald Trump to tweet out that he is just being sarcastic. I think it's about time his bone spurs take over causing the Donald to sadly give up the race by Labor Day.
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Wow, those quotes are laughable! Trump is detached, implying that most African Americans have such horrible lives in this country. He should get out more!
I, for one, think he's reading too many New York Times opinion columns.
I, for one, think he's reading too many New York Times opinion columns.
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I think this is worth doubling down.
Is Mercer just using Trump to manipulate nano-bets on his micro-pole fluctuations? He'd know what kind of barrel Trump might be dumping since he's invested in Bannon's Brietbart. So it seems to me there's money in watching Trump dump it.
Is Mercer just using Trump to manipulate nano-bets on his micro-pole fluctuations? He'd know what kind of barrel Trump might be dumping since he's invested in Bannon's Brietbart. So it seems to me there's money in watching Trump dump it.
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Say you knowTtrump's gonna say something crazy, then take it back, then say it again. That's a lot of wins for a hedging loser.
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Given Trump's limited mental capabilities, even Trump can't remember what he says or why he says it. Hopefully his family gets the help he needs after the election but it would be better to get the help now.
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Funny how, as soon as Trump raises the issue, structural racism, white privilege, racial profiling, bigotry, discrimination, Chiraq, basket case Detroit, white flight, predatory lending, and the racism of the Flint Michigan water department are suddenly no problem at all. Poof!
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Trump isn't "raising" those issues, he's using them. And, "take a chance on me instead" isn't a solution to any of them.
It's not gone of course and there is much work to be done including acknowledging that white people have benefitted from racism and racist policies even if they think they haven't. But the democrats at least have policies that benefit all of us whereas the republicans do nothing but obstruct and give back to the 1%.
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Driving force behind the GOP (Government Operatives for Pay)
The Koch brothers didn't just inherit their father's fortune. They also inherited his politics. In 1958, Fred Koch was a founding member of the John Birch Society, the right-wing extremist group that opposed civil rights and claimed that both the Democratic and Republican Parties were infiltrated by the Communist Party. In his 1960 self-published book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, Fred Koch wrote that "The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America," and that welfare was a secret plot to attract rural blacks and Puerto Ricans to Eastern cities to vote for Communist causes and "getting a vicious race war started." The John Birch Society helped fuel a wave of hysteria against unions, civil rights groups, intellectuals, public schools, liberal clergy and others whom they considered a threat to America.
Charles and David Koch are doing what their father told them to do…The GOP and two members of SCOTUS are doing what the Koch brothers tell them to do. Their political activities are primarily dedicated to eliminating government regulation of business and lowering taxes on the rich.
Essentially, the G"OPP" are being paid by Koch Brothers to work out their father’s war to get even with Stalin. If you look at it, this is the Republicant platform wrapped in prejudice.
The Koch brothers didn't just inherit their father's fortune. They also inherited his politics. In 1958, Fred Koch was a founding member of the John Birch Society, the right-wing extremist group that opposed civil rights and claimed that both the Democratic and Republican Parties were infiltrated by the Communist Party. In his 1960 self-published book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, Fred Koch wrote that "The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America," and that welfare was a secret plot to attract rural blacks and Puerto Ricans to Eastern cities to vote for Communist causes and "getting a vicious race war started." The John Birch Society helped fuel a wave of hysteria against unions, civil rights groups, intellectuals, public schools, liberal clergy and others whom they considered a threat to America.
Charles and David Koch are doing what their father told them to do…The GOP and two members of SCOTUS are doing what the Koch brothers tell them to do. Their political activities are primarily dedicated to eliminating government regulation of business and lowering taxes on the rich.
Essentially, the G"OPP" are being paid by Koch Brothers to work out their father’s war to get even with Stalin. If you look at it, this is the Republicant platform wrapped in prejudice.
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How far off is Trumps description from what black lives matter would have you believe? Perhaps not I the specific details, but in the permanent underclass depiction.
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Of course there are blighted black neighborhoods, lots of 'em. And if the problem was easy enough to solve that a simpleton like Trump could do it, it would have been solved a long time ago.
What's the "Law and Order" candidate going to do? Put a cop on every corner? Imagine the Republicans paying for that.
What's the "Law and Order" candidate going to do? Put a cop on every corner? Imagine the Republicans paying for that.
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In order to accept Trump's argument of "what have you got to lose?" You have to believe that things have never been worse for black people than they are now. I doubt if any black person believes that. Things couldn't get worse for black people? Of course they could, because they have been worse for most of American history. Putting a clueless racist in the white house is probably the most effective way of making them worse.
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Since before Johnson, working to preserve their own oppression is an odd thing with black Americans, so it seems. Oakland speaks for Pelosi and Chicago for Obama. Yet the majority vote same after same, election-cycle after election-cycle. Trump certainly has a point well-documented.
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You think Oakland and Chicago are war zones? Never worse? You need to get out more.
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Joe - I've been to downtown Oakland many times. If you live there and think it's not a war zone, you need to get out more.
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Been there--Oakland--at night and know the stats--Chicago too. Nothing like Santa Barbara, that's for sure. You might want to "get out" and walk the streets late some nights and gather data you seem unaware of. As for Chicago, more Americans die from gun crime on one weekend than are killed in Afghanistan in a year. How's that for a "war zone" number? But dream on.
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Trump is correct about the Black community and the Left knows it. The Left has take for granted the black vote for many years and what have they done for the community—nothing. Poverty is worse than ever as well as crime and unemployment. Those are the facts and the black community will eventually wake up and see the mistreatment. Is Trump the one to shine a bright enough light on the problems caused by the Left to get them to change their course? I pray so.
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The republicans only care about the 1% - so how this translates into anything for the "Black community" is a complete mystery - or any of the 99% for that matter - more tax breaks for the rich - close ties with the fascist putin what policies?
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Donald Trump's own recorded racism will do him in come Election Day--I hope.
Otherwise, it's going to be a very interesting 4 years.
Otherwise, it's going to be a very interesting 4 years.
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I believe most white Americans view black communities exactly as Trump describes them. And why???? Because it's how the media portrays them! The media dwells on black crime, black protests which turns to burning already downtrodden communities, etc. It's right there on live television for all to see. These communities that are shown are not nice middle-class places. They are noticeably poor. And the protests' messages are "see how badly we live. We want jobs and help". Now, I ask you, where are the nice middle-class communities that Trump is said to be missing? This entire portrayal is one that the black leaders like Sharpton are pushing. Are they now saying it's wrong? Then why are they pushing it?
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There are almost 45 million blacks in the US, how can anyone possibly say what "they" think?
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It's possible, if someone thinks they're all alike because they're, technically, black.
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My "girl friend" and her daughter don't agree on anything, at the moment. She's 18, free, gifted and Black, so how do you control that? Better have the rent money or she can live with her lazy white boyfriend at his racist parent's house.
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As an outsider looking in to the realm of American politics, I am bewildered by the terms of "black voters" "white voters" "GLBT voters", etc. The divisiveness found in the language of politics is telling of a country that does not see themselves as a united nation. Instead, there are small fractions attempting to operate as a whole. Politicians should appeal to ideas, not simplifications of deeply personal and unique experiences.
A multicultural society is a mosaic of people. It isn't until all the pieces are placed closely together that we're left with a sight to behold.
A multicultural society is a mosaic of people. It isn't until all the pieces are placed closely together that we're left with a sight to behold.
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Yes, Jess M, this is 'the name of the game'--we are all color coded now and sorted into categories on that basis. And you are right--this is no longer a united nation. Sad but apparently, this is what big media and the so-called progressives want and need.
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What is said on paper isn't what is done in reality. That has always been the history of The United States: breaking treaties with Native Americans (such as what Canada--your home country has probably done), the abysmal, sordid, and complex history of African Americans in the US, just for starters.
I'm an outsider on Canadian things, but I've been reading on line lately on how pathetic the drunk driving Penalties/convictions are in your country, just as an example, or the forced removal of Native Canadians from their own parents over the years, the high rates of convictions of racial minorities in Canada, and the racial profiling of African Canadians in your own country. I would strongly suggest that you take a good look at your countries faults before you criticize ours.
I'm an outsider on Canadian things, but I've been reading on line lately on how pathetic the drunk driving Penalties/convictions are in your country, just as an example, or the forced removal of Native Canadians from their own parents over the years, the high rates of convictions of racial minorities in Canada, and the racial profiling of African Canadians in your own country. I would strongly suggest that you take a good look at your countries faults before you criticize ours.
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aldebaran, what a scurrilous and false picture you paint. White folk in the west have been divvying up the darker-hued or differently-cultured for hundreds of years for the purposes of conquest and management. Progressives see the mosaic--or rainbow--as the goal, not the bland conformity to dominant white society and culture that conservatives pine for. For purposes of understanding and redressing past wrongs, acknowledging and even embracing the colors and ethnicities are temporarily essential for the development and implementation of policies and programs that can truly help and offer the best hope for groups, and individuals within those groups, that have been historically oppressed and exploited to flourish instead. So please knock off your smug sneering and at least try to understand what's really going on here.
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Obviously, Trump wasn't speaking to all black Americans when he opened his mouth and that stupid stuff came out. Black people are as diverse in their economic, occupational, educational, social, religious, health, gender and regional identities as whites or any other race. But what should a candidate for president say to black Americans to get their votes? What makes them a "special" audience? What do they want to hear that's different from what voters of other races want to hear?
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Most people want to be listened to. Not to be yelled at by an ignorant fool who bankrupted 4 casinos during good economic times - casinos are a money mint - think what an idiot you have to be to bankrupt them!
Well, first, maybe an apology for refusing to rent apartments to them? That would be a good start.
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Problem is what this author is describing is more the exception than the rule.
Most African Americans in the US live in segregated areas, most of them earn less and are less educated than the average white folk , finally it is most likely that as an African American you will be stopped in the street just for walking or running.
That, I believe is quite factual.
But the worst part is that in so many African Neighborhoods, there is just nothing, except maybe the liquor store with its 2 windows, each one 1 inch thick and overlapping each other so even if you shoot, you will have to go through one window at least.
So while we have an African American president, finally I should say, life for most African American, day to day life is still very hard, and that is not Clinton is for sure not the solution, to be sure though, Trump is even less.
Actually to believe that any president ever will save African American is a joke, only African American can do it.
That will be when family stick together and when business are built in their neighborhood.
The real integration will be when white people move to black neighborhood because it simply make sense, financially, educationally, and socially.
Right now, it just does not happen.
Most African Americans in the US live in segregated areas, most of them earn less and are less educated than the average white folk , finally it is most likely that as an African American you will be stopped in the street just for walking or running.
That, I believe is quite factual.
But the worst part is that in so many African Neighborhoods, there is just nothing, except maybe the liquor store with its 2 windows, each one 1 inch thick and overlapping each other so even if you shoot, you will have to go through one window at least.
So while we have an African American president, finally I should say, life for most African American, day to day life is still very hard, and that is not Clinton is for sure not the solution, to be sure though, Trump is even less.
Actually to believe that any president ever will save African American is a joke, only African American can do it.
That will be when family stick together and when business are built in their neighborhood.
The real integration will be when white people move to black neighborhood because it simply make sense, financially, educationally, and socially.
Right now, it just does not happen.
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25% of black Americans are living in poverty. Which means 75% are not. Maybe you actually need to live in a black neighborhood for a while and see what it's really like, instead of believing all the garbage you hear on Fox News.
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The 75% that are not poor still have problems because of the way white people in America view African Americans. Trump's statement was insulting because it embodied the white American attitude problem. It is significant that he made this remark to an all white audience rather than an integrated audience or an African American audience. Many white Americans do not recognize that the Civil Rights movement decades ago was incomplete. I have heard words from the mouths of some of my relatives that show that they do not understand this, some explicitly denying that a new Civil Rights movement is needed. These are white people who immigrated to the US as poor people after 1900, who have worked their way up from poverty to the middle class, who experienced being looked down upon when poor. As white people, moving up to the middle class meant they were automatically treated better. This is not necessarily true for African Americans. They are suspected merely because their skin is black (actually mostly a nice brown). Their crimes are driving while black, shopping while black, gathering together on the street while black, filling up their car at a gas station while black, working while black. I am white but African Americans have my sympathy and support in their efforts to be treated more fairly, to finish what was not finished by the first Civil Rights movement. I apologize to any African American who finds my comment patronizing. My efforts are not always wisely worded.
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I think most people get that Donald is holding himself to a higher brand of charlatanism, Banner abounding. He insults the people he's pretending to pander to and somewhat confusing the nutz who came to cheer him for jeering minorities and immigrants.
But some of those nutz get it. This is FOX style reality, and they see his snarky insults to both the targets of his call for support and Dems he claims failed them. When he tanks the ship, Congress just might get something righted if the Senate will only roll over and sigh.
But some of those nutz get it. This is FOX style reality, and they see his snarky insults to both the targets of his call for support and Dems he claims failed them. When he tanks the ship, Congress just might get something righted if the Senate will only roll over and sigh.
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Yes, he's wrong, but it goes to show how you can't win when dealing with racial issues. If he had said black Americans were doing fine he would have been blasted for painting an unrealistically optimistic view of things.
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Donald present an unrealistic view? He's the best at it; everyone says so.
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The fact that he made a speech instead of visiting a community means he deserves to be blasted regardless of what he said. Most politicians at least have enough sense to visit, even if they are just going to look awkward doing it.
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Rubbish. ALL of my black friends recognize it. Listen to "Gangsta's Paradise"! Every inner city black man or women in the country knows full well they have been sold out, have no hope, no future. The Democrat's come by every four years, gin up protests, usually with paid professionals, there is violence, a police officer killed, a bunch of young black men killed, more in prison... It's how the "progressives" get out the black vote. Then, the election happens. The professional agitators go home. "Black leaders" congratulate the winner. The promises made in the heat of the campaign are forgotten. And everything is just a little bit worse in the inner city than before. It's the same this time, too! The Clinton's Foundation is even paying for the "protest leaders". No one expects Trump to be any different, because the Clinton's n's have never been any different.
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Cite your source for your Clinton Foundation paying "protest leaders".
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All of your black friends in "Eugene, Oregon" recognize it? And you quote Gangsta's Paradise as a source material? Yeeeeaaaaah, right.
My dad lived there. Outside of the college campus, I have never seen a black person in Eugene, Oregon. African-Americans make up 1% of the population of Eugene, Oregon.
This reminds me of a Trump supporter in Olympia, Washington, a small businessman, very successful. After concluding a racist rant, he challenged me to name one black person I knew who was successful. I started naming them off (it's so happens that every single black person I know is very successful). He became agitated and changed the subject. Upon further inquiry it turned out that he didn't know a single black person. He literally had formed his opinion about the lives of black people only from watching television.
My dad lived there. Outside of the college campus, I have never seen a black person in Eugene, Oregon. African-Americans make up 1% of the population of Eugene, Oregon.
This reminds me of a Trump supporter in Olympia, Washington, a small businessman, very successful. After concluding a racist rant, he challenged me to name one black person I knew who was successful. I started naming them off (it's so happens that every single black person I know is very successful). He became agitated and changed the subject. Upon further inquiry it turned out that he didn't know a single black person. He literally had formed his opinion about the lives of black people only from watching television.
If you truly listened to 'all your black friends' you would realize that they are reading party platforms, listening to candidate speeches, and reviewing voting records. If you truly listened to 'all your black friends' you would know that they are thoughtful and recognize being 'gin up' by outside forces. If you truly listened to 'all your black friends' you would realize that they can evaluate Trump and Clinton independently and make their own decisions.
Mike Brooks, your comment makes me sad to be reminded of the distance we have yet to travel to understand and appreciate each of our fellow citizens. May I suggest that your ask your black friends to recommend literature by black authors. I may help you understand what they are trying to tell you.
Mike Brooks, your comment makes me sad to be reminded of the distance we have yet to travel to understand and appreciate each of our fellow citizens. May I suggest that your ask your black friends to recommend literature by black authors. I may help you understand what they are trying to tell you.
Let's see, Trump released his list of nominees to the Supreme Court, conservative jurists who would be expected to: further gut the Voting Rights Act; oppose affordable health care; do away with Affirmative Action; maintain unimpeded sales of guns and ammo, etc. Sounds like a deal!
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Minority favor H.R.C. the status quo defender and credulity of those minorities who vote for Hillary Clinton plays a role, and the white majority favor either D.J.T. or Bernie Sanders, because the economic standing of the minority has improved somewhat while that of the majority, especially the working poor, has not. Working-class blacks are generally better-off economically today than their parents were, working-class whites are generally worse off as the minority pick up income from a low level whereas the white working majority slides from a relatively high level in part as a result of the rolling back of discriminatory policies that kept minorities locked out of middle-class life. But working-class whites may look back and see no similar pattern of gains, in part because they weren't as broadly discriminated against in the first place. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/07/the-incredible-cr...
Because only the middle-class tend to vote and the poor do not, it is the former that will decide who will be the winner. For H.R.C., supporters are mostly the minority middle class and “Mr. Trump’s depiction of a hopeless, violent black America did not match reality.” The minority middle class do not feel the pain of their poor brethren, an audience that D.J.T. addresses. The flip side of the matter is that if their brethren’s living standard keeps exasperating, internal conflicts among the minority will bode ill for all.
Because only the middle-class tend to vote and the poor do not, it is the former that will decide who will be the winner. For H.R.C., supporters are mostly the minority middle class and “Mr. Trump’s depiction of a hopeless, violent black America did not match reality.” The minority middle class do not feel the pain of their poor brethren, an audience that D.J.T. addresses. The flip side of the matter is that if their brethren’s living standard keeps exasperating, internal conflicts among the minority will bode ill for all.
Let's see...
Chicago, Detroit, Newark, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Oakland, Camden, St. Louis, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Washington DC,...
Where was that shooting last week, that led to riots because of "decades of oppression and neglect"?
I missed a bunch. Anyone care to add to the list?
Chicago, Detroit, Newark, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Oakland, Camden, St. Louis, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Washington DC,...
Where was that shooting last week, that led to riots because of "decades of oppression and neglect"?
I missed a bunch. Anyone care to add to the list?
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So, your saying that the 91% of black Americans who are supporting HRC are too ignorant too decide for themselves who they believe to be the best candidate for them? And that the all white republican House, who makes all the spending decisions for our government, is trying so hard to help black America, but can't because our black president is stopping them? Geez, you interested in a bridge I have to sell?
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It's simple, really. Black folks aren't not voting for Republicans because they don't know any better than to vote Democrat. They're not voting for Republicans (and DT) for the same reason the Cheeto Yeezus is getting pounded in the polls. They can't, along with most of America, believe what they're seeing (and hearing) from the Republicans! What used to be decoded innuendo and 'dog whistles' has, with Trump, become openly condescending rhetoric about what this white, billionaire, real estate mogul (who was sued by the Justice Dept for discriminatory housing practices) believes is best for black communities. As we say here, in the city that knows Trump 'best', that's chutzpah--big chutzpah, even for Trump! Imagine if a black guy, say, a president, deigned to suggest to white Americans--as a single group--what he believes is best for their communities so they can get with the program and don't always sound like victims. Somehow, I don't think it would go over well.
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Chicago, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Baton Rouge, and other cities with police repression of the Blacks has each been under Democratic mayors for more than 50 years. You'd think at some point that the People would want to give the Republicans a try.
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Umm, yeah. Republicans are openly and actively trying to stifle the black vote and many Republicans are openly racist....so why would they want to give them a try?
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No thank you. We saw what happened in FLINT.
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so, what are the Republican ideas with regard to police violence? Most of them seem to be saying things like "All lives matter" and "Blue lives matter". Why would I vote for the group that always equates me with the problem? Why would I vote for the group that always sees me as the aggressor even when I am unarmed and outnumbered? Why would I vote for the group that uses me as the scape goat for the problems faced by others?
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Did I say the Trumpet was flatting? I meant he was blatting. That horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE sound, you know folks, where he increases pressure behind his throat when he should be elevating his pitch? His monotonous wind pipe is bubbling bile and spittle. It's terrible, folks, just terrible. Even bag pipes have better resonance.
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Black people are used to mistreatment, and as a result they are not convinced by empty promises.
Thankfully, they are rooted in the real world, and vuvuzela selfie Trump doesn't deceive them.
Thankfully, they are rooted in the real world, and vuvuzela selfie Trump doesn't deceive them.
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The big discrepancy I see with Trump's view of poverty, crime and the black community is that he unites these three issues as if they were one. On top of that, he wants to deal with crime by equipping police with combat gear. Which, to me says he plans on waging war against the black community. Regardless of his efforts to curry votes from the same black community.
It scares the day lights out of me to think of him becoming president and trying to solve problems by literally "attacking" them.
Trump is a danger and a menace to all of us. Black, white, brown, no matter our skin color, we need to unite against this menace to our common humanity.
Dear God Almighty, I hope we all manage to save ourselves on Nov 8!
It scares the day lights out of me to think of him becoming president and trying to solve problems by literally "attacking" them.
Trump is a danger and a menace to all of us. Black, white, brown, no matter our skin color, we need to unite against this menace to our common humanity.
Dear God Almighty, I hope we all manage to save ourselves on Nov 8!
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They say there are no atheists in the trenches. Still, I think relying on a higher power is a bad idea.
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You can smell Trump's Sacre Bleu stench from across Fifth Avenue. As if US Vets would line up behind his Chinese shirttails to hand Putin another nation's press and homosexuals to murder?
Another vets org founded by a Paris perfumer was overtaken by global industrials and their financiers. The Blue Shirt outfits mobilized around the French countryside in 1935 seeking out immigrants fleeing pogroms in the east. Much like Tarantino's Jew Hunter's crew, but he had to make him Austrian, or no Palm for Q!
I bet this Mercer's nano-betting on Trump's micro poll movements.
Another vets org founded by a Paris perfumer was overtaken by global industrials and their financiers. The Blue Shirt outfits mobilized around the French countryside in 1935 seeking out immigrants fleeing pogroms in the east. Much like Tarantino's Jew Hunter's crew, but he had to make him Austrian, or no Palm for Q!
I bet this Mercer's nano-betting on Trump's micro poll movements.
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Dear Susan Anderson,
Ah, but that's why to dig the trench first.
Ah, but that's why to dig the trench first.
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I would imagine there are quite a few minority families in this country who live in blighted neighborhoods. All they want is a chance to live in a peaceful community- free from gang violence, drugs and crime. They want to send their children to safe schools with qualified, motivated teachers. As a liberal- I will be the first to admit- our side failed to deliver any of the above. We funneled billions of taxpayer dollars creating massive government bureaucracies; rather than helping and assisting- we created a system of dependence and stagnation. When Trump asks, "What do you have to lose?" the answer should be a resounding, "Absolutely nothing." Trump is right on this one- and there is nothing racist about it...
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Nothing to lose.
Affirmative action
Voting rights
Health care
Planned Parenthood
Equal hiring laws
Equal opportunity statutes
Reproductive self control
Integrated education
Etc. etc. etc.
Affirmative action
Voting rights
Health care
Planned Parenthood
Equal hiring laws
Equal opportunity statutes
Reproductive self control
Integrated education
Etc. etc. etc.
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is that all? the benevolent white father would not actually be taking care of the american white mans burden
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RHJ:
OK I understand that list. How can the daily lives of people in need be improved? Is this list as you've presented it sufficient? It's great fun to post a snappy retort. But, how would you, from Montreal, solve the problems?
OK I understand that list. How can the daily lives of people in need be improved? Is this list as you've presented it sufficient? It's great fun to post a snappy retort. But, how would you, from Montreal, solve the problems?
Wait a minute -- Didn't the Times recently do a series of articles on the egregious number of black people being killed by other black people in Chicago?
Oh, I guess the Times must have gotten that wrong. Clearly, walking down the street in Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, Newark, Philadelphia... Yeah, no problem there, not at all. It's like Disney without the souvenir stands.
Yeah, that's it -- If we just keep saying there's no problem, that'll fix everything...
Oh, I guess the Times must have gotten that wrong. Clearly, walking down the street in Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, Newark, Philadelphia... Yeah, no problem there, not at all. It's like Disney without the souvenir stands.
Yeah, that's it -- If we just keep saying there's no problem, that'll fix everything...
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Actually its pretty great walking down the street in philly. Crime is way down. City is thriving.
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The out of control illegal immigration, that Trump wants to end, has made it so incredibly difficult for unskilled American, many of whom are black, to be paid sufficiently for their work. What Trump is saying is that the system, as it has been created and perpetuated, has hurt black people very much. He wants to change that, and of course the media and the Washington political establishment have to try to discredit him. I believe him.
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I live in Chicago. I walk down the street all the time. I also lived in Philadelphia...walked down the street there every day. I've walked down the street in Detroit, and I walk down the streets in Oakland pretty often. I see black people and white people in all these places. None of these places are like Disney, in the sense that they are vibrant and enjoyable to be in. So, yeah, pretty much no problem.
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Dear black Americans: PLEASE VOTE! If you've moved since your last registration, you probably need to re-register. Make sure. Bring others with you. VOTE.
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ANYONE who didn't get a primary ballot in the mail or notice of polling place needs to find out if they got dumped from the rolls. Vigilance in the face of fascist threats is never a failure. Both parties, folks!
Anyone who's skipping this one just doesn't have a clue what a "strong man" with a nutty clan and a bunch of foreigners guiding his campaign can do.
Anyone who's skipping this one just doesn't have a clue what a "strong man" with a nutty clan and a bunch of foreigners guiding his campaign can do.
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Trump is well known for getting most of his information from television. No wonder he thinks blacks are in desperate straits. All we have seen in the media over the past two years due to BLM and the media is a bunch of lawbreaking thugs, self-destructive rioters and crazy cop assassins. Don't blame Trump. He is reporting what the rest of the world is seeing.
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Baloney. He is offering the basic republican package which is based, at most, on malignant neglect of racial minorities. What do you have to lose indeed!
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As a young adult in the 1970's in NYC it was understood, and true, that Fred and Donald Trump did not rent to blacks, period. When the Justice Dept. sent undercover black renters in to determine if this was true they were told no apartments existed. Shortly after, white investigators inquiring as potential renters were offered an apartment immediately.
Fred and Donald had the temerity to fight this battle in court and lost. Then they did it again and lost again. This is public record just as the record of Fred Trump's arrest at a KKK rally exists - Trump says his father was not a member and we all know what Trump's word is worth.
The Trumps lied further claiming (as the NYT has reported) that they were Swedish and Trump's grandfather tried, several times, to emigrate from America to support the German Reich. Fred Trump taught Donald Trump to lie from an early age and to never regret it.
Now Trump is telling black people, when he has done nothing to ever support them, and has actively discriminated against them, that they have nothing to lose by voting for them.
Words cannot aptly describe the hypocrisy and racism of Donald J. Trump and his current insults to black people are just one of more of slurs to another ethnicity he abhors.
The GOP leadership deserves nothing less than scorn and derision for the stain of Trump on Americans. His epitaph will be: Here lies a man beneath our contempt, a man who never told the truth and was a fraud every day of his life."
Fred and Donald had the temerity to fight this battle in court and lost. Then they did it again and lost again. This is public record just as the record of Fred Trump's arrest at a KKK rally exists - Trump says his father was not a member and we all know what Trump's word is worth.
The Trumps lied further claiming (as the NYT has reported) that they were Swedish and Trump's grandfather tried, several times, to emigrate from America to support the German Reich. Fred Trump taught Donald Trump to lie from an early age and to never regret it.
Now Trump is telling black people, when he has done nothing to ever support them, and has actively discriminated against them, that they have nothing to lose by voting for them.
Words cannot aptly describe the hypocrisy and racism of Donald J. Trump and his current insults to black people are just one of more of slurs to another ethnicity he abhors.
The GOP leadership deserves nothing less than scorn and derision for the stain of Trump on Americans. His epitaph will be: Here lies a man beneath our contempt, a man who never told the truth and was a fraud every day of his life."
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And in his next speech the great Trump will explain to the Latino population that he knows it is not their fault they are criminals, that he knows they are living a horrible existence and that if given a chance he will send them home.
Anyone who needed additional proof that Trump is a gold plated regulation good ole days racist got it with this gem of a sales pitch.
Anyone who needed additional proof that Trump is a gold plated regulation good ole days racist got it with this gem of a sales pitch.
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Huh? The illegal immigrants do indeed need to be sent packing, of whatever origin. Nothing to do with race.
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So, Nigel Farage, UKIP chipper who's running away from his own outcome, shows up in Jackson only weeks after his aide was taken away in Chicago in handcuffs and charged by the FBI with money laundering on the dark web. The two were returning to the UK right after visiting the Republican convention.
Were they the two mystery dudes who convinced the GOP to hand over Ukraine's assets to Putin? Have we figured out who those two were yet? Visiting his young aide, maybe? The kid who's lord uncle dumped the Tories for UKIP?
OK, sincere, non-hostile tip for Donald's handlers. Give that guy a bromo before he goes on, because that's not his glottal frying, that's coming from lower down the dumper, it's a blown esophageal sphincter. One or two big belches are not as bad as that flatting trumpet sound he makes when he blasts the crowd, for cringing out loud.
Come on, let's close this circle for the conspiracy lovers.
Give me UKIP and the Mercers, because I think that Atlantic Troll Bridge that got torn down for charity abuses is still operating.
Nigel? They need Nigel the bigot baiting hater to teach Donald how to get dopes to coil their own ropes? I think Donald does a better Nigel than Nigel.
But Don could use some of his big mouth. The camera can catch Poor Don with his lips pursed more than Melania.
Were they the two mystery dudes who convinced the GOP to hand over Ukraine's assets to Putin? Have we figured out who those two were yet? Visiting his young aide, maybe? The kid who's lord uncle dumped the Tories for UKIP?
OK, sincere, non-hostile tip for Donald's handlers. Give that guy a bromo before he goes on, because that's not his glottal frying, that's coming from lower down the dumper, it's a blown esophageal sphincter. One or two big belches are not as bad as that flatting trumpet sound he makes when he blasts the crowd, for cringing out loud.
Come on, let's close this circle for the conspiracy lovers.
Give me UKIP and the Mercers, because I think that Atlantic Troll Bridge that got torn down for charity abuses is still operating.
Nigel? They need Nigel the bigot baiting hater to teach Donald how to get dopes to coil their own ropes? I think Donald does a better Nigel than Nigel.
But Don could use some of his big mouth. The camera can catch Poor Don with his lips pursed more than Melania.
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Its not that most Blacks are in terrible neighborhoods, doing badly in schools, on drugs, in jail, obese and diabetic. Rather, its that Blacks are disproportionate share of those people who are. Clearing up the confusion, rather than making out as if what Trump is saying is a complete lie, doesn't sell newspapers though.
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It has long been the case that majority of poor are white, and they live in rural areas.
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Yes there is a reasonably large black middle and upper middle class who despite active oppression are making and doing quite well. Everyone in poverty is struggling right now, black and white. There are more poor impoverished white people than there are black people altogether.
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Franc and china doubter:
Which of our candidates is campaigning for the votes of these poor whites? Must that be a different campaign than for poor blacks, or poor any other group? Why? Where is the news coverage on any of these folks? Who is their Al Sharpton? Must they protest violently for notice? Your ideas?
Which of our candidates is campaigning for the votes of these poor whites? Must that be a different campaign than for poor blacks, or poor any other group? Why? Where is the news coverage on any of these folks? Who is their Al Sharpton? Must they protest violently for notice? Your ideas?
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Ever since LBJ gave us the tragedy of the Great Society, the left has been trying to deny the carnage of their social experiments and paternalistic condescension toward the "black community," which have led to a more segregated and less equal reality for the majority of urban "black" people.
The left separates people by color. I, as a Republican, feel unease as using the terms "black community" and "black people," because it creates unnecessary division. So long as we describe groups and people by skin color, we will never fix any of the issues facing the communities suffering from years of government largess that has killed ambition and made dependence normal.
The left created the crisis. They do everything they can to deny it exists and, when that's not possible, to shift the blame. But, it is demonstrably the fault of the left.
When Bill Clinton gave us "midnight basketball," was that racist? Of course it was!
Trump isn't saying anything that any thinking doesn't know to be true. The Times deflecting from Chicago and Detroit by pointing to successful people who live in suburbs or have good jobs. Denying the problems of the inner city doesn't make them go away.
I expect nothing less than this kind of disingenuous garbage from the NY Times. Thanks for not disappointing!
The left separates people by color. I, as a Republican, feel unease as using the terms "black community" and "black people," because it creates unnecessary division. So long as we describe groups and people by skin color, we will never fix any of the issues facing the communities suffering from years of government largess that has killed ambition and made dependence normal.
The left created the crisis. They do everything they can to deny it exists and, when that's not possible, to shift the blame. But, it is demonstrably the fault of the left.
When Bill Clinton gave us "midnight basketball," was that racist? Of course it was!
Trump isn't saying anything that any thinking doesn't know to be true. The Times deflecting from Chicago and Detroit by pointing to successful people who live in suburbs or have good jobs. Denying the problems of the inner city doesn't make them go away.
I expect nothing less than this kind of disingenuous garbage from the NY Times. Thanks for not disappointing!
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Why not demand more of yourself? Talking points and shallow finger-pointing is not enough. The article is that the African American community does not recognize its broader community and concerns in the jingoistic pap offered by Trump. That should be of interest to any candidate. Americans have no obligation to prop up the GOP cartoons of everyone else in the country.
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Um, no, you are willfully leaving out large chunks of US history. You know, the chunks of history were brutally victimized as subhuman, a 300-year reign of terror, which occurred regardless of which political party was in power. Slavery was bad enough. Jim Crow was 100 years of systemic brutality, plain and simple.
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Wanna stop gun violence on the south side of Chicago? Institute strong gun control measures that apply to ALL states, so that guns aren't available to buy in Indiana, say, and bring over the border. Want to employ more unemployed people? Hey GOP, fund stimulation packages to restore US infrastructure. Want to put a real dent in ending poverty? How about decentralizing affordable (public) housing, instituting single-payer health insurance and investing in education instead of maintaining segregation, financing insurance companies and closing urban schools because the states don't want to pay teachers a living wage (or their pensions). It is not mostly Democrats who have kept minorities in distress -- whatever gains have been made have been due to social policies supported by Democrats, not Republicans. Democrats deserve criticism for making mistakes -- bring down Rahm Emanuel! Reverse the prison-industrial complex partly enabled by Bill Clinton! But it's the oppositional GOP that has insistently deterred America from bouncing back from the disastrous economic, social and foreign policies put in place by the previous GOP presidential administration, and such malfeasance as the Rockefeller drug laws, Reagan's "war on drugs," Nixon's "southern strategy."
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You can't have it both ways:One should not complain about living in a racist society,in a racist America where the cards are stacked against African Americans,and police officers, most of whom are white, are allegedly out to kill people of color,where poverty and crime have claimed the lives of 3,500 in Chicago's South Side, and yet when Trump points out the atrocious, dangerous living conditions, and the tyranny of the drug gangs that lay down the law in the Hood, change your position and say, "How dare Trump say these things about us?"Of course there r African Americans who have achieved middle class status, have bank accounts and send their children to college--my attorney lives in a townhouse on a gentrified 120th Street-- but the vast majority do not have these advantages, and every day is a struggle for survival.Its tough being black and its tough living in the Hood. When I would ask students in class about their daily lives ,vast majority clammed up for fear of saying something that might get back to the wrong people in the neighborhoods where they lived. Gangs in housing projects are still the law,unfortunately. With poverty comes crime.
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I'd point out that your having assiduously watched "Boys in the Hood," does not make you a sociologist, but I suspect it is far too late.
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Let's face it: Trump is simply mirroring the talk radio and Fox New view of the America he thinks exists and is painted in detail on a daily basis. It's no surprise that his limited views of the black experience portray most African Americans as stereotypes at best, caricatures at worst.
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If people who go to this guy's rallies are rolling their eyes when he fans the flames or blows the dog whistle, teleprompter or not, just how big of a joke is his campaign? Words and thoughts are precursors to actions. How much worse will he get before we stop tolerating the social and economic degradations that he is trying to incite as a candidate looking to become the leader of the free world?
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You know it's funny .. curious .. but for the last five days all I have seen on CNN, Morning Joe and most of the major media is clips of Trump with this ridiculous speech and his new softening tone towards Hispanics. And that has been the narrative along with stories about Emails and the Clinton foundation. I haven't seen one clip of Hillary Clinton giving a speech on any of these outlets. And her stump speech lately is positive, informative, relaxed, and often humorous. I watched one on CSPAN a few days ago. So that's what you are getting, more Trump and negative Hillary, over and over. And this is why. She is pulling so far ahead of him, they ( the media ) have to do something to keep her down. Else no one will listen to the hundreds of talking heads. people won't be interested, won't watch that much, and the shows and papers can't sell ads for big money.
And by the way this pitch by Trump is just full of underlying racism, he just doesn't know any better.
Orange, NJ
And by the way this pitch by Trump is just full of underlying racism, he just doesn't know any better.
Orange, NJ
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So why does the news media continually pump out so much coverage of troubles -- often heartbreaking and severe -- affecting blacks and black communities? Crime, unemployment, illness, poverty, family dysfunction -- that's mostly what's served up to us. How about more positive coverage?
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Not really necessary, as the country is filled with successful Black people, just gotta open your eyes.
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For a "successful businessman," Trump doesn't seem to understand the first rule of business: never alienate a customer.
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Home ownership shouldn't be considered an indicator of poverty or economic performance in this case. There is plenty of evidence out there, including in the NYT, that renting is sometimes better. Home ownership can be a mixed bag.
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I live the life of a young African American woman everyday. The only thing Donald and I share is that we are graduates of the University of Pennsylvania. I find his behavior to be quite appalling and I view his whole persona as a bigoted, sometimes overtly racist white man. He has never lived my life so when Donald Trump says what do you have to lose, it would mean much to me. I value character and decency in people and many people of color in his so called "bad neighborhoods where you will get shot walking" know character and realness. He wants to portray himself as the white savior of the black family, black experience but as Public Enemy once waxed, we don't believe the hype.
Donald and one of his main cheerleaders Guiliani have done nothing but disparage communities of color. Last month Guiliani wanted to tell black folk how to raise black children and now Donald, the original birther just sees violence, uneducated and poor in the eyes of every black person he encounters. I am ashamed to call him a Penn Quaker.
I am an Independent voter and he would never get my vote. He is a con and how anyone could bring themselves to pull a lever in the voting booth is beyond my Ivy League, elite education. This jig and farce has lasted way too long.
Donald and one of his main cheerleaders Guiliani have done nothing but disparage communities of color. Last month Guiliani wanted to tell black folk how to raise black children and now Donald, the original birther just sees violence, uneducated and poor in the eyes of every black person he encounters. I am ashamed to call him a Penn Quaker.
I am an Independent voter and he would never get my vote. He is a con and how anyone could bring themselves to pull a lever in the voting booth is beyond my Ivy League, elite education. This jig and farce has lasted way too long.
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Yeah, what do you have to lose? Um, maybe the livelihood of the entire planet, if that mad man is put in office?
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Trump isn't talking to Black America. He's talking to his white voters. He's reiterating every single one of their fearful, negative prejudices: Black people are all poor. Black people are all uneducated. Black people are all unemployed. Black people all live in the ghetto. Black people are surrounded by violence. Young black men aren't at jobs - they are loose on the streets, doing God knows what.
By selling himself as the kind beneficent savior of those poor trapped Black people, Trump gets to argue that he is the candidate that really understands the racial divide in this country and solve it compassionately. At the same time, he is reinforcing the reprehensibly inaccurate stereotype of Black Americans that his voters presumably share with him. These are the kinds of attitudes that end with Black individuals getting shot by the same police that they called to assist them, while they are standing in their own garages. It leads to the death of a young man like Trayvon Martin who was profiled on the basis of his youth, his wardrobe and his color.
What's next? Discussions of the "Yellow Peril" that lives in our Chinatowns, with their fearsome opium dens? He'll promise to fix the land isssues with the Dakota Acess pipeline by talking to the Sioux "redmen" and see how much "wampum" they want? This kind of bigotry is disgusting, and beneath the dignity of a Presidential contender.
By selling himself as the kind beneficent savior of those poor trapped Black people, Trump gets to argue that he is the candidate that really understands the racial divide in this country and solve it compassionately. At the same time, he is reinforcing the reprehensibly inaccurate stereotype of Black Americans that his voters presumably share with him. These are the kinds of attitudes that end with Black individuals getting shot by the same police that they called to assist them, while they are standing in their own garages. It leads to the death of a young man like Trayvon Martin who was profiled on the basis of his youth, his wardrobe and his color.
What's next? Discussions of the "Yellow Peril" that lives in our Chinatowns, with their fearsome opium dens? He'll promise to fix the land isssues with the Dakota Acess pipeline by talking to the Sioux "redmen" and see how much "wampum" they want? This kind of bigotry is disgusting, and beneath the dignity of a Presidential contender.
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Yeah, but Hispanics and seniors on fixed incomes aren't burning down Milwaukee in three nights in a row and telling everyone to go kill white people in the suburbs. Tell me how Trump is talking down on black people when the optics are quite clear that African Americans living in the modern day urban ghetto are living in poverty and on welfare, and many are refusing to leave the slums out of psychological fear? Race riots are a symptom of a problem related to economic inequalities in major urban cities where the largest demographics is people of color.
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Optics?! I see your problem right there...You think the statistically small sample of what you see on TV is representative of the world. It can be but as regards race in America and how people are treated, it is not.
Try the last ten minutes of yesterday's 'All in with Chris Hayes'.
Try the last ten minutes of yesterday's 'All in with Chris Hayes'.
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Notice that in every one of his screaming vile rants he offers absolutely no specific plan to improve anything. He shouts Change but offers no solutions to complex problems. He is an empty bag of wind who actually believes we are all stupid dumb frightened pathetic victims looking to him as a savior. Can't believe we have to endure two more months of his outrageous insulting garbage. Dump Trump at the polls so we can protect the America we love, imperfect as it is and give ourselves the chance for real meaningful change with Hillary who although imperfect does truly care about America and All Americans.
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Should Trump be elected, and called upon to fulfill his commitment to improve the lives of African Americans, he will surely reply that they should have known he was being sarcastic.
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If Trump wants to stop minority neighborhoods from being like war zones, then he needs to support tougher gun law's and that won't happen.
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He is not trying to reach anyone but some of the independent white voters turned off by his views on race. I doubt he has had a transformative epiphany that has guided him from the racist views of his younger life, when he was sued, along with his father, for systematically excluding minorities from their rental properties.
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Imagine a person who has worked hard, gotten a good education, applied that education and landed a good job. That person uses that job to support his or her family, or their dreams, and is an active member of their community.
Now imagine that the person is black. That person would be deeply offended by Trump's remarks.
Now imagine that the person is black. That person would be deeply offended by Trump's remarks.
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Why? If it doesn't apply then Trump was obviously not talking to that person. Why do regressives spend so much time twisting themselves into pretzels parsing every single word Trump says so they can spin it into racism regardless the context and message? I totally understand why you cannot spend even a minute talking about Clinton, as if she would do anything more for black Americans than Obama has, but it is intellectually dishonest or just plain obtuse to continue to try to paint Trump as a racist bigot, especially when he is offering something positive to blacks that Dems have not provided in decades, JOBS.
Is it impossible for the successful black person you described to do a 2 second Google search to find the real black unemployment is at least 25%? Or find the viral video of the person driving around Detroit at night where it looks like the wild west? I guess you think blacks are too stupid to be able to make money yet also read news reports about the devastation in urban black cities run for decades by Dems all over the country?
I am a successful white person yet when Trump talks about the challenges facing poor whites in this country I somehow find the ability to not be "deeply offended" or even offended at all. You have to want to be offended, like regressives do every day they wake up.
Is it impossible for the successful black person you described to do a 2 second Google search to find the real black unemployment is at least 25%? Or find the viral video of the person driving around Detroit at night where it looks like the wild west? I guess you think blacks are too stupid to be able to make money yet also read news reports about the devastation in urban black cities run for decades by Dems all over the country?
I am a successful white person yet when Trump talks about the challenges facing poor whites in this country I somehow find the ability to not be "deeply offended" or even offended at all. You have to want to be offended, like regressives do every day they wake up.
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Imagine one has lived a life of crushing poverty, hobbled by an inability to support one's children, and fearful for the lives of their babies, as gang warfare rages unabated outside their door. Come to Chicago, Philadephia, and any of a number of American cities where that is the reality faced by thousands and thousands of black families, and tell that mother or that father that their experience is not connected to reality.
That person would be deeply offended by your politically motivated denial that they need some semblance of hope for a better tomorrow.
That person would be deeply offended by your politically motivated denial that they need some semblance of hope for a better tomorrow.
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I think the key thing here is not just whether Donald is racist or not. He's definitely not a rabid, stark-raving racist like David Duke, whom he technically disavowed.
The big thing is, he seems to think all black people are living lives where they have literally nothing to lose. Folks like Oprah Winfrey, Morgan Freeman, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and millions more are all apparently, in his view, dodging gunfire constantly and living in a Syria-like area.
And combined with the fact, the stark and undeniable fact, that so far Donald J. Trump has not offered any potential solution to the problems of racism or the "inner city" poverty, well, I can't see how any African-American in their right mind would vote for this guy.
For the handful of black people supporting Trump, I pity them for their extreme delusion. They do have things to lose, and in a Trump administration, they would lose them.
The big thing is, he seems to think all black people are living lives where they have literally nothing to lose. Folks like Oprah Winfrey, Morgan Freeman, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and millions more are all apparently, in his view, dodging gunfire constantly and living in a Syria-like area.
And combined with the fact, the stark and undeniable fact, that so far Donald J. Trump has not offered any potential solution to the problems of racism or the "inner city" poverty, well, I can't see how any African-American in their right mind would vote for this guy.
For the handful of black people supporting Trump, I pity them for their extreme delusion. They do have things to lose, and in a Trump administration, they would lose them.
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You seriously believe Trump thinks "folks" like Oprah Winfrey and Colin Powell are dodging gunfire constantly? Talk about delusion.
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Dear Evelyn,
You misunderstood me, I was merely pointing out how ridiculous Trump's concept was. And I don't seriously believe Trump thinks.
You misunderstood me, I was merely pointing out how ridiculous Trump's concept was. And I don't seriously believe Trump thinks.
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Dan, when a Dem talks about black poverty, it's compassion. When a Repub does, it's racism.
How dare they.
So you a white guy "pities them for their delusion", how so very big of you.
How dare they.
So you a white guy "pities them for their delusion", how so very big of you.
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Until these remarks, I questioned whether Trump himself was racist, or if it only applied to many of his followers.
These remarks remove any doubt. Clumping all black people together like this, within a common description of poverty and despair, is stereotyping and therefore racist.
The worst (scariest?) part is that he's too dumb to realize it. To me, that means he's dumb, mean, and a racist to boot. He's a loser.
No thanks.
These remarks remove any doubt. Clumping all black people together like this, within a common description of poverty and despair, is stereotyping and therefore racist.
The worst (scariest?) part is that he's too dumb to realize it. To me, that means he's dumb, mean, and a racist to boot. He's a loser.
No thanks.
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This whole country thinks in terms of stereotypes.
I learned this principle in Sociology 101 when I was a freshman in college decades ago:
There wider variation within any group of people than there are differences between groups of people. The professor said: "One group of people are not all one way." And he said: "Think about the variation in your own extended family. Could anyone accurately characterize your entire family as behaving in one way--all brilliant, all good musicians, all good with money, all hostile, all sane?"
Stereotyping is pretty much the basis for ingroup-outgroup behavior. Us versus them. They are all bad, we are all good. Trump is a media guy who lives in a world of stereotypes.
Suppose President Obama characterized all white people as having certain characteristics, such as all bigoted, lazy, arrogant, rich, mean. White people would be insulted.
So why are we surprised when black people are upset with Trump's negative depictions of black life?
I learned this principle in Sociology 101 when I was a freshman in college decades ago:
There wider variation within any group of people than there are differences between groups of people. The professor said: "One group of people are not all one way." And he said: "Think about the variation in your own extended family. Could anyone accurately characterize your entire family as behaving in one way--all brilliant, all good musicians, all good with money, all hostile, all sane?"
Stereotyping is pretty much the basis for ingroup-outgroup behavior. Us versus them. They are all bad, we are all good. Trump is a media guy who lives in a world of stereotypes.
Suppose President Obama characterized all white people as having certain characteristics, such as all bigoted, lazy, arrogant, rich, mean. White people would be insulted.
So why are we surprised when black people are upset with Trump's negative depictions of black life?
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Pigeonholing black Americans as a monolithic mess is a convenient form of race denial for Trump and his ilk. The remarkable black demographic spread in America (as seen in Atlanta and other cities like Houston and Chicago) seems an anomaly given the systemic discriminatory barriers erected since emancipation
(i.e. Black Codes, Jim Crowe, mass incarceration.. etc.). Poverty didn't just happen to black Americans it was orchestrated by political will and federal complicity. Success has come in fits and starts but still we rise. Trump and his minions will never acknowledge that after slavery , failing Reconstruction, no full throated or whole hearted attempt has ever been undertaken by America to integrate it's former slaves into full economic and social participation in the mainstream of American life. Some have indeed escaped cycles of poverty and poor education but many remain generational victims of redlining and other discrimatory federal housing policies that trap them in economically devastated inner cities. It's pathetic yet typical that bigots like Trump can't seem to differentiate between non-white individuals yet feel they are really being inclusive while simultaneously stereotyping us all.
(i.e. Black Codes, Jim Crowe, mass incarceration.. etc.). Poverty didn't just happen to black Americans it was orchestrated by political will and federal complicity. Success has come in fits and starts but still we rise. Trump and his minions will never acknowledge that after slavery , failing Reconstruction, no full throated or whole hearted attempt has ever been undertaken by America to integrate it's former slaves into full economic and social participation in the mainstream of American life. Some have indeed escaped cycles of poverty and poor education but many remain generational victims of redlining and other discrimatory federal housing policies that trap them in economically devastated inner cities. It's pathetic yet typical that bigots like Trump can't seem to differentiate between non-white individuals yet feel they are really being inclusive while simultaneously stereotyping us all.
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Trump's tales of desperation sound equally applicable to much of small town and rural white America.
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Fits the small village of fewer than 3000 where I live. It's 98% white and about 75% poor/welfare. Before 2008, it was mostly working class homeowners. Many people lost their jobs and homes. The county has been telling welfare people to move here because the rents are cheaper. A slumlord has purchased several run down buildings and has a contract with the state to take released prisoners and put them into the houses he has turned into boarding houses. He is making a fortune with his parolees and registered sex offenders. It's become almost impossible to sell houses here because of this. Color doesn't matter, social class and poverty are the things that destroy neighborhoods. On a scale of 1-10, our schools have dropped from 6-7 to 3. What family wants to move into such a neighborhood? The welfare people and parolees have no cars, they can only shop at 7/11 and the Dollar Store. There is nothing for them to do, so they sit around on Main St. When they get their checks, they buy beer, cigarettes and lottery tickets. In between checks, they burglarize the few remaining businesses.
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The sense of creepy, creeping racism is so palpable when you sit there watching him address his "people", going on about black people as if they weren't even there. He and his whole crowd are so disgusting to me. Those rubes hate us liberal types because they think we think we're better than them. They are so right. We should remind them of it more often. I know, I'm sinking to their level. Whatever.
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Perhaps these conditions are "not recognizable" as this article suggests, but this article also then suggests there would only be a limited need to invest in urban areas such as Detroit, Baltimore, the south side of Chicago, Milwaukee, Newark and other areas mostly populated by African Americans, if only 25 % of African Americans live in poverty. Why bother to improve more lives if the Urban League suggests life is just okay for everyone else?
In addition, then are the six African American lives taken by violence in Chicago between August 21 - 23 , 2016 is acceptable way of life or is just a lie being reported by the Suntimes of Chicago?
http://homicides.suntimes.com/
So if the majority of African American people think life is nowhere near the hardships as reported by Trump then someone needs to provide an answer to the following question if "white people" are so ignorant of African American lives:
So even if all the United States athletes participating in the Olympics or in every profession sport were only African American , how does that improve the lives of those 25 % living in poverty, which are millions of people?
In addition, then are the six African American lives taken by violence in Chicago between August 21 - 23 , 2016 is acceptable way of life or is just a lie being reported by the Suntimes of Chicago?
http://homicides.suntimes.com/
So if the majority of African American people think life is nowhere near the hardships as reported by Trump then someone needs to provide an answer to the following question if "white people" are so ignorant of African American lives:
So even if all the United States athletes participating in the Olympics or in every profession sport were only African American , how does that improve the lives of those 25 % living in poverty, which are millions of people?
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There's a difference between acknowledging that the Black community has some problems, but to say that all their neighborhoods are war zones is highly inaccurate, insulting, and, yes, racist. I'm white, live in my own home in a middle class neighborhood, and have Black families living in the houses on either side of me. It's not a war zone here.
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And yet, Christine, this is exactly what the Times reporting has been telling us for years, but in the context of suggesting that blacks haven't made it into the middle class as a result of institutional racism and cutbacks to welfare. It's almost funny to see liberals protest too much now; perhaps we don't need to keep all those government programs after all.
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So as long as your neighbor is safe and comfortable is okay, but for those millions living in poverty , oh well seems to be trend as long as it does align with what ever Trump says today....
Trump is appealing to the black voter by speaking to predominantly white audiences. Yes, let help the poor black man get out of his bad neighborhoods, find jobs - what a joke and those foolish white people who are applauding and don't realize deserve somebody like Trump.
I hate to point this out Mr Trump and you foolish white people
I do not live in the inner cities that are burning
I do not live in poverty
I studied engineering at a 4 year college
I've travelled to more countries than some of you can point out on a map
Why am I even justifying my existence and my life. I know, foolish is a bit of a strong word to use but who would vote for that man?
I hate to point this out Mr Trump and you foolish white people
I do not live in the inner cities that are burning
I do not live in poverty
I studied engineering at a 4 year college
I've travelled to more countries than some of you can point out on a map
Why am I even justifying my existence and my life. I know, foolish is a bit of a strong word to use but who would vote for that man?
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Hillary is the answer to your question.
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Just as Trump divides the world into winners and losers (with most falling in the second category), he divides black Americans into victims and perpetrators. His is an obscenely simplistic view of the world. He seems to have failed the course on Nuance at Penn.
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I'm sure a white man who inherited immense wealth from his father, always lived in luxury, and has never had a job other than 'wheeling and dealing' understands black voters.
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Trump looked at the polls and found that he was in trouble with blacks and Mexicans. But he can't change what he has already said and done. Accusing Obama of not being born in America. That was all I needed to hear from him.
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It's interesting that no one really calls Trump out on it. It's as if he never did it. The complete disrespect for Obama simply because of his racial and ethnic heritage are unprecedented for a President. And Trump has been a leader of this movement.
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It takes a while for life to imitate art -- just as it will take some time for African-Americans to understand Trump and realize that orange is the new black. The real question is -- will they before the clock runs out in November ?
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hahaha! Good one...you were joking weren't you?
“Look to the left, look to the right and look in front of you and tell me if things haven’t changed,” he said. “Then why do you keep voting for the Democratic Party? Why do you keep voting for the same side?”
That might make sense if the Democrats had been in power all of the time, but there have been many Republican presidencies, regardless of how African Americans voted.
So, another way of looking at this would be .. "Would African Americans be even worse off today had America not had some Democrat presidencies?"
I agree with Alexis Scott's take on this and that is ...
“I hear him not talking to black people, but talking to white people about black people so they will think he cares about black people,” ... “The real thing that he’s trying to do is to try to protect some of the white vote by suggesting to them that he cares.”
Very perspicacious of you Mr Scott.
That might make sense if the Democrats had been in power all of the time, but there have been many Republican presidencies, regardless of how African Americans voted.
So, another way of looking at this would be .. "Would African Americans be even worse off today had America not had some Democrat presidencies?"
I agree with Alexis Scott's take on this and that is ...
“I hear him not talking to black people, but talking to white people about black people so they will think he cares about black people,” ... “The real thing that he’s trying to do is to try to protect some of the white vote by suggesting to them that he cares.”
Very perspicacious of you Mr Scott.
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I, too, think Alexis' insight is 100% spot on.
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In addition, there have been Republican legislatures and governors who have allocated funds in ways that favored rural and/or white areas over urban and/or black areas.
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Long after this nightmare is in the rearview mirror of history we all will be asked to account for our deeds to oppose this evil man.The blacks with their 2% (-3+) disapproval , they can say in good conscious that they disavowEd it unequivocally.
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I totally agree. Assuming he loses I am going to feel more indebted to African-Americans than I already do.
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A man who deals in stereotypes does not do nuance. Trump's entire campaign has revolved around gross generalizations that have little foundation in reality.
When Trump described Gregory Cheadle as "my African-American" during a speech, he demonstrated how clueless he really is about culture in the United States. Trump also seemed to have no problem when another black man was caught on video being sucker-punched in the face while leaving a Trump rally here in Tucson.
Trump is a shameless opportunist, dealing in generalities and stereotypes with little tolerance for disagreement or argument. His willingness to incite others to violence demonstrates he has no place in civilized political discourse. We can't be rid of him soon enough.
When Trump described Gregory Cheadle as "my African-American" during a speech, he demonstrated how clueless he really is about culture in the United States. Trump also seemed to have no problem when another black man was caught on video being sucker-punched in the face while leaving a Trump rally here in Tucson.
Trump is a shameless opportunist, dealing in generalities and stereotypes with little tolerance for disagreement or argument. His willingness to incite others to violence demonstrates he has no place in civilized political discourse. We can't be rid of him soon enough.
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At least he will lose massively here in Tucson. That's a given. Whether he will be able to carry the state is up in the air. I think it will come down to the debates. If he does as poorly as I expect him to, then Arizona will go Democratic.
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This man is incredibly insulting. Insulting. Nothing more needs to be said.
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What has he said that is untrue?
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"What do you have to lose?"
The phrase means that this is a campaign utterly devoid of ideas.
The phrase means that this is a campaign utterly devoid of ideas.
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Trump puts forth a cultural deficit model in his view of Black people. He does not base his talking points on facts, but rather his perceptions which are biased and racist. He never has and would not work in the interest of Black people. In fact he has discriminated against Black people when it comes to housing and even wrote how he would not want Black people counting his money. Trump is a racist and as a Black woman and hard-working American, I completely reject him and his platform.
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Trump's remarks show he does not know many ( or any )African Americans very well. He is familiar only with racial stereotypes. He needs to get out of the gilded cage and get to know real people.
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Of course not all blacks live in the crime-ridden ghettoes, but many do. Why should they vote for the status quo?
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Serious questions for you, Ed.
How many Black people live in crime-ridden ghettos?
What constitutes a crime-ridden ghetto?
Have you ever been to one of these crime-ridden ghettos?
Who or what is responsible for the status quo?
Will a vote for Mr. Trump change the status quo? If so, why do you think so?
Why doesn't Mr. Trump actually speak to the African-American community directly if he is so concerned for their welfare?
How many Black people live in crime-ridden ghettos?
What constitutes a crime-ridden ghetto?
Have you ever been to one of these crime-ridden ghettos?
Who or what is responsible for the status quo?
Will a vote for Mr. Trump change the status quo? If so, why do you think so?
Why doesn't Mr. Trump actually speak to the African-American community directly if he is so concerned for their welfare?
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@ ed: We currently have Republican majorities in the Senate and House of Representatives. Without the support of Congress, Obama can do only so much. So if we want a change in the status quo, we need to elect both a Democratic president and also Democratic senators and representatives!
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After 8 years Obama owns it.
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Trump is talking AT the African-American community instead of talking TO them. Same as Romney eight years ago. Let's face it: Republicans don't see minorities as their equals. That's just the way it is and, my friends, is called racism. Plain and simple.
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Backwards. Democrats do not see minorities as equals.Observe their patronizing policies and yours before you express yourself.
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How about we talk WITH people, not at or to them? And listening carefully to what the say and mean? #NopeToTrump
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@Alan - You would seem to be talking to yourself.
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When Hillary laments innocent black kids being shot on the streets of Chicago, that's good. When Donald laments innocent black kids getting shot on the streets of Chicago, that's bad.
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Yeah; ain't it great?!?
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Difference is he is all for the proliferation of guns which are used to do the killing. Stupid is as stupid does. He goes around for over 15 months spewing xenophobia hate with not so subtle innuendos about "those other people" and you want me to believe what he says for one week?
The man has shown us who he is all along. More fool us if we decide that "oh look he is saying something different which means he is really a nice guy."
Pftttt! A pig with lipstick is still a pig - an orange one at that.
The man has shown us who he is all along. More fool us if we decide that "oh look he is saying something different which means he is really a nice guy."
Pftttt! A pig with lipstick is still a pig - an orange one at that.
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Really? He's lamenting the deaths of innocent black children? What I heard is a man who believes all black people live in poverty stricken war zones. It tells me he's never been further uptown than 95th street or to Brooklyn and he never personally speaks to black people. He has no clue.
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One thing Trump has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he can manipulate the media. He is so confident of his abilities to do so. And the media allows themselves to be manipulated by Trump. Therefore, Americans never get the truth...just lies that the media posts to all of us.
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Another silly attack on Trump. What he is referring to is the ghetto life of blacks, not Joe average. If anyone thinks 73% of black births from single moms or incredibly high murder and crime rates in many black neighborhoods is not worthy of informed discussion then you need your head read. And yes, all lives matter.
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"Informed discussion" is not what we are hearing from Trump. Lots of "informed discussion" is going on within Black communities, but Trump is not listening to it.
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It seems evident to me that decades of throwing money at dozens of programs to "raise people out of poverty" has gone nowhere. What kind of "informed discussion" is taking place? If it's just more agencies begging for more money without a clear plan it will be just more of the same. What has your version of informed discussion done to reduce murder and crime in Chicago's ghettos since Obama was elected? The democrats fought a civil war to retain slavery. Democrats have traditionally voted against civil rights laws for decades. Why on earth does talking about it in a clear "We have a big problem" not register with the black community? The democrats just feed the problem money to guarantee black votes. Kind of like a slave master if you think of it. Like "I owe my soul to the company store."
A Leopard cannot change his spots. Even Homer Simpson knows he is speaking with two tongues.
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My mind swirls in so many directions when attempting to comment about Trump. In this instance I'll say just this: he and his father were successfully sued for discriminating against African-Americans in the 70's, when ample, blatent proof showed they wouldn't rent to them. Now, Trump will never admit they discriminated, because the suit was (finally) settled after years of the Trumps losing battle against it, and they didn't have to admit guilt, but the evidence shows no doubt there was real and widespread discrimination. Yeah, let's hear it Trump, where you stand on African-Americans and their issues. Because YOU have shown yourself to be their enemy for 4 decades.
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2186612-major-landlord-accuse-of...
Here's the Times description, from 1973.
Here's the Times description, from 1973.
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Wow - this is so offensive. Is this guy using Archie Bunker as his role model? I keep waiting for him to let us in on the prank.
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When is Trump going to talk about the scourge of meth addiction and welfare dependency of rural whites, such as in my home state of Oklahoma and the coal-mining hills of Appalachia?
I guess these people are just victims of industry, not Democrats, and thus not as gleefully held up to ridicule.
Trump is speaking to white audiences, not black. That Trump supporters can't figure this out is embarrassing.
I guess these people are just victims of industry, not Democrats, and thus not as gleefully held up to ridicule.
Trump is speaking to white audiences, not black. That Trump supporters can't figure this out is embarrassing.
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In defense of white people, most of us CAN....
I live in Detroit (a major American city that is predominately black) and I know absolutely no who is remotely interested in giving their vote to Donald Trump. His behavior is viewed with derision, incredulity, and contempt. I am white and have had more than one random person ask me cautiously what I thought about Trump. It seemed as though these individuals were trying to gauge the level of support among whites for someone they view with combined amazement and concern. I heard a recent podcast interview with a Washington Post reporter who contributed to a bio of Trump and detailed the Federal lawsuit against Trump, his father, and their company over the discriminatory exclusion of African-Americans from their 14,000 housing units in NYC. All I can say is that Trump is part of the problem masquerading as part of the solution and the black community is not buying it. I can't vouch that there's a groundswell of support for Hillary Clinton but Trump is seen as highly toxic.
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Trump doesn't care about Black Americans or Latinos or Asians, etc...He is a totally self involved dullard,, too lazy and too intellectually challenged to be president . And he lies like a rug. Let's move on.
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Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump share one common distinction: single digit percentage support amongst African-Americans.
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The problem is that with Bernie, no one listened. With Der Trump, you do not have to listen, you are bombarded with him every day.
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It surprises me very much that nobody has said anything about Mr. Donald J. Trump missing eye. Mr. Donald J. Trump has an ocular prothesis (glass eye) in one of his eyes. I do not if such a thing could disqualify him. Maybe someone out-there knows.
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Glass eye, eh? That's a new one. Let's see if Hannity picks up on it.
At any rate, I don't think it's disqualifying.
At any rate, I don't think it's disqualifying.
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I don't know if it's true that he's missing an eye, but what a great metaphor! It would mean he has, literally, no depth perception and sees only half or what a normal person sees. Sounds about right.
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Why on earth would a glass eye disqualify someone for the Presidency?
FDR was a cripple in a wheelchair with polio -- JFK had Addison's Disease -- a glass eye would not even come close to any of those.
FDR was a cripple in a wheelchair with polio -- JFK had Addison's Disease -- a glass eye would not even come close to any of those.
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Trump asks, in his typically insulting way "what do you have to lose?" to Black voters. And at the same time, in more than a few states, Republican legislatures and Republican voters are vigorously targeting "voter fraud" and enacting highly questionable laws disenfranchising minority voters, and those Republicans fear would be likely to vote Democratic or other than Republican. Putting Trump in the White House, and the conservative judges he's pledged to nominate on the Federal judiciary and Supreme Court would make those probably un-Constitutional laws more likely to get by. Republcans are playing a deep and long game - strong gerrymandering every ten years, then if they can pull it off, judges with lifetime tenure to keep their repressive laws alive for decades. Blacks, and everyone else, have a LOT to lose... without question.
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Can you please point to single person who was not allowed to vote due to voter ID laws. Just one.
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That's the point of voter ID laws to restrict voting rights.
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There is something very wrong with this man, and every one of his advisers. They know only the world they inhabit, as if they have lived their lives wearing blinders. How stupid do they think people are?
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Are you kidding? They are American. They know exactly how stupid people are. Very.
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If there were a lot of African American support for Trump, I wonder if the white power people would still support him?
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Trump's saying how bad the blacks neighborhoods and lives are. There's one I see doing ok: He lives in a little white house on Pennsylvania ave. in Washington DC. Sends his two children to a nice school. been living there for 8 years, just about. And his wife's doing pretty good. Matter of fact she's doing so well your wife stoled her words and ideas in a speech your wife gave in front of the whole country. Looks like a few of the "black folks" ain't doin' so bad...
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What a hopeful message. "What have you got to lose." Hopefully after Election Day he will be saying it as he deals Black Jack in one of his bankrupt casinos.
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Does every message have to be hopeful in order to be seriously taken. You are going to die someday and very soon by the measure of historical events. Is that not acceptable and you need to hear you'll live forever? Now you know why churches are more popular than universities.
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I have said this before and I am still singing the same song. I know many educated (graduate level) professionals that I work with as well as my friends and my friends' friends and they are all voting for Trump. The people that you attending Trump's rallies are not the only voters supporting Trump.
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Texas doesn't count. Nothing personal.
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JMM, Can you enlighten me : how does your point relate to this article?
So what is Trump going to DO to improve schools? Raise taxes on the rich so all students can have the quality of education and opportunities he and his ilk enjoy in their private, elite schools? What does he propose to help parents working several jobs to make ends meet and struggle to afford and find child care to accommodate their working hours and to be involved in their children's education? And to curb violence? Is he proposing adequate drug treatment and prevention funding? Talk is cheap and Trump has no plans, only inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda to spew.
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To fix the problem that he sees of black people not being able to walk down their street without being shot, Trump is proposing gun control. A pivot is not a Trump pivot unless it is HUUUGE. The "Second Amendment people" are taking a second look. The NRA will be coming out soon with some new ads.
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Trump's tax breaks for child care would benefit only wealthy families like his own and do nothing to support middle or lower income families -- be they black or white or whatever color their skin. Similarly, folks who are disenchanted with their public schools do not have the choice of a private school if they are of lower income.
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Democratic leadership has plagued a lot of black people unfortunately, and I think what Trump is saying is legitimate. Look at a lot of these cities being run by Democrats. There is evidence to support that what Trump is saying is true. The black community has not improved under Obama and it will definitely not improve under Hillary. I think Trump is stating the facts and people need to stop, think, and listen before shouting and calling him racist. The black community has been voting Democrat for a long time, tell me if you see improvement for their family and kids as a whole ?
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Austin, Texas is run by Democrats. Just sayin'.
What has happened to Black communities nationwide since 1968, when NIXON cut off all the funding instituted by President Johnson, just when these programs were starting to show results and make a difference in peoples lives? Yes, it was Dick Nixon who did that, and then disingenuously turned around (not unlike Republicans today would) "You see folks, these programs have not worked." Yes, Mr. President, there was no way they could work when YOU ensured they would fail.
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I don't think you can say the Republicans have been any better than Democrats in that regard. Democrats did at least make segregation and overt discrimination illegal and passed the voting rights act. If not for that Black votes wouldn't matter today.
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Trump talks a tough game, but from the get-go I've thought of only one reason to explain why he repeatedly refuses opportunities to speak to audiences of color: Donald is scared. He can't handle the idea that a crowd won't cheer him like the Roman gladiator he thinks he is. He's scared they might ask him serious questions and most of all, he's scared because he has only excuses and exceedingly lame ones at that. To those who say he's not a racist, study his history. It's replete with examples of racism. If anyone is fooled by this latest 'softening," I pity them, but feel saddest for this country.
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Just as Trump could not imagine that Ghazala Khan was an educated Muslim woman who taught Persian poetry, regularly invited the local ROTC cadets to her house for dinner, and was quite able to hold her own in speaking to the press, but had to fit his stereotype of a dumb subservient who needed permission from her husband to speak, he cannot imagine that many many blacks live rich and complex lives in thriving communities. He has to reduce them to a caricature where they are all gangbangers. He derives his own place in the world by imagining that every one else is subhuman and that he, Donald Trump, is the highest state of man.
There is no way a man with such total lack of empathy would be able to understand the lives of ordinary backs, women, and Mexicans, much less be able to think constructively about what policies would better those lives. These people understand this point extremely well, and no amount of pivoting will endear him to them.
There is no way a man with such total lack of empathy would be able to understand the lives of ordinary backs, women, and Mexicans, much less be able to think constructively about what policies would better those lives. These people understand this point extremely well, and no amount of pivoting will endear him to them.
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Lots of divorces, broken family, college drop-out wife. Donald understands blacks.
Except blacks have since moved past it after he stopped growing mentally.
Not unlike him describing all muslims as keeping their many wives burkha clad in their harem. All enemies of the state. Only to pick a fight with a couple to find out they are monogamous, happily married since college. And worse of all, both better educated than he and his college drop-out wife. With an accent better than his own stylishly muddle-accented wife whose words only two people in the entire country could decode to find out even those were not her own.
Except blacks have since moved past it after he stopped growing mentally.
Not unlike him describing all muslims as keeping their many wives burkha clad in their harem. All enemies of the state. Only to pick a fight with a couple to find out they are monogamous, happily married since college. And worse of all, both better educated than he and his college drop-out wife. With an accent better than his own stylishly muddle-accented wife whose words only two people in the entire country could decode to find out even those were not her own.
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Of course it's unrecognizable. Not one jot of it is true. It's made up out of nothing but thin air by right wing ideologues, like the "schools crisis" that appeared during the Reagan campaign, along with the horrors of "over-regulation", the liberal plot to fake climate change, "both sides" of the evolution "controversy", and on and on. I'll give the right one thing. The are WAY better at slicing and selling baloney than the left will ever be.
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This is too ironic. As long as Republicans can be blamed, we are told that blacks are the victims of terrible racism, that their schools are underfunded, that they are denied good jobs, that lenders make it hard for them to buy homes or get other loans, that basically everything is bad for blacks. Trump asks the logical question- if Democrats are so good for blacks, why is their self-described situation so bad? Suddenly, once Trump starts his outreach, we hear that blacks don't really have it so bad- crime is not such a big problem, economic opportunity is there for the taking, schools are OK, etc.,etc. So which is it? It appears to be a slavish (deliberate word choice) devotion to the Democratic party. Establishment Democrats have blacks wound around their little finger. Bernie Sanders offered blacks so much more than Clinton, but got no support from blacks or other minorities. Blacks are mad about birther accusations? It was none other than the Clinton campaign that initiated that smear.
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Well, there are lots of points one could make, but I think it is all summed up in the scornful way you talk about African-American's choice of the Democratic party as if they were not making a thoughtful choice after due consideration. (The Sanders campaign made this same mistake.) And if a party or a politician can't be bothered to find out what they want, it would be stupid of them to choose that party/representative, because how could they?
Essentially the Trump is negging an entire voting bloc and then wondering why they won't go home with him.
Gee. I wonder.
Essentially the Trump is negging an entire voting bloc and then wondering why they won't go home with him.
Gee. I wonder.
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Well I guess those polled don't live in poor portions of major US cities. Like say Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland. Or they just don't want to see the poverty. Now of course many have good lives because we are not a racist country.
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Democrats did not create the situation in those cities. The problems were there when they were elected. Many of these cities are in states that has republicans governors. Their job is to work for the good of all cities. They bare some responsibility also.
I've seen the various faces of poverty, most of them are are white, and many of them live in Tennessee.
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Many blacks are struggling economically and living in neighborhoods where gunfire is a daily occurrence. It is foolish to pretend that is not the case. What is DiBlasio doing about it? Hillary certainly won't do anything about it should she become president. Don't even think about emailing Huma or Cheryl unless you can donate a cool million to the Clinton Foundation. Sorry but Trump is absolutely right here, what do you have to lose?
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@dc
I'm HERE in New York, and yes, of course we've got problems -- But why not talk about Washington DC instead?...which has a much larger Black population, that's not living as well as those folks across the river, in say McLean, Va.????
Just for the record. The Democrats, and the Clintons don't have a slam-dunk on political impropriety.
But if you think voting for a card-carrying racist like Donald Trump is the answer -- you don't really know the right question.
I'm HERE in New York, and yes, of course we've got problems -- But why not talk about Washington DC instead?...which has a much larger Black population, that's not living as well as those folks across the river, in say McLean, Va.????
Just for the record. The Democrats, and the Clintons don't have a slam-dunk on political impropriety.
But if you think voting for a card-carrying racist like Donald Trump is the answer -- you don't really know the right question.
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Trumplethinskin has repeatedly said that there are not enough guns out there. How is that going to make those neighborhoods safer, Lynn?
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Trump isn't describing black lives. He's describing the right-wing caracature of black lives. The thing is, white and black are typically kept so segregated, and news reports on black lives are so distorted, that many white people have no way of knowing that they're being lied to.
But I do, because I'm a white guy who is regularly in close contact with black people. And I see them all the time, engaged in such degenerate activities as:
- Buying groceries
- Mowing the lawn
- Going to school or work
- Playing baseball or football or basketball
- Watching their kids play with scooters and bikes
- Organizing church charity drives
- Sometimes, they even buy ice cream from the Dairy Queen, those monsters!
You get the point: there's absolutely nothing about their black-ness that makes them any different from white people, really. Sure, they often dress a bit differently, and speak a bit differently, but they want the same things everyone else wants.
But I do, because I'm a white guy who is regularly in close contact with black people. And I see them all the time, engaged in such degenerate activities as:
- Buying groceries
- Mowing the lawn
- Going to school or work
- Playing baseball or football or basketball
- Watching their kids play with scooters and bikes
- Organizing church charity drives
- Sometimes, they even buy ice cream from the Dairy Queen, those monsters!
You get the point: there's absolutely nothing about their black-ness that makes them any different from white people, really. Sure, they often dress a bit differently, and speak a bit differently, but they want the same things everyone else wants.
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Fellow Clevelander here. I'm a white woman in her 60s who rides a bicycle through Cleveland's inner city neighborhoods, places like Glenville, Hough, Woodland Hills,and Kinsman. I would say, if anything, I encounter more hospitality and friendliness in these black neighborhoods. On blistering hot days, I've had front porch sitters offer me iced tea. I've made a few friends on the way. I like to think I've knocked a few chinks into the walls of mutual suspicion that others would erect.
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You had me.
Then you qualified everything you stated: *dress and speak differently*. Differently from whom? You? Differently from others who are not black? Is your way of dressing and speaking the standard upon which all manner of doing so is based?
The King's English, sir; that is what most of my friends speak. More than half of them are black.
Go figure.
Then you qualified everything you stated: *dress and speak differently*. Differently from whom? You? Differently from others who are not black? Is your way of dressing and speaking the standard upon which all manner of doing so is based?
The King's English, sir; that is what most of my friends speak. More than half of them are black.
Go figure.
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So which is it?
We have never ending protests decrying racism and inequality in education, housing, jobs, criminal justice and general opportunity for African Americans and relentless news reporting on waves of violence swamping majority African American neighborhoods in dozens of major urban centers.
And now we have a broad level of denial that Trumps' claims are wildly incorrect, that African Americans are generally succeeding and prospering?
Pick one. They both can't be true.
We have never ending protests decrying racism and inequality in education, housing, jobs, criminal justice and general opportunity for African Americans and relentless news reporting on waves of violence swamping majority African American neighborhoods in dozens of major urban centers.
And now we have a broad level of denial that Trumps' claims are wildly incorrect, that African Americans are generally succeeding and prospering?
Pick one. They both can't be true.
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Maybe the point is we're diverse.
I live in my own home as do my siblings and paid for my college degrees, cash out of pocket. We all employed and have been since our teens, early 20's, except the one currently retired from the air force.
My brothers have never been arrested nor jailed. We live in nice neighborhoods. Our kids are married, have kids, their own homes, are employed, with college degrees.
Less you think we are exceptional in some way, we grew up poor surrounded by family in the South Bronx, where believe it or not, people actually work and own businesses.
The point is we are not all of one thing.
Let's not be as clueless as Bill O'Reilly who having eaten at the famous Sylvia's, a black owned restaurant in Harlem, marveled at the fact that black people were quietly eating and talking and not flinging food at each other while screaming obscenities across the room.
Oh, and we think trump is an idiot.
I live in my own home as do my siblings and paid for my college degrees, cash out of pocket. We all employed and have been since our teens, early 20's, except the one currently retired from the air force.
My brothers have never been arrested nor jailed. We live in nice neighborhoods. Our kids are married, have kids, their own homes, are employed, with college degrees.
Less you think we are exceptional in some way, we grew up poor surrounded by family in the South Bronx, where believe it or not, people actually work and own businesses.
The point is we are not all of one thing.
Let's not be as clueless as Bill O'Reilly who having eaten at the famous Sylvia's, a black owned restaurant in Harlem, marveled at the fact that black people were quietly eating and talking and not flinging food at each other while screaming obscenities across the room.
Oh, and we think trump is an idiot.
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mobocracy (<--- clever, by the way), OF COURSE both can be true at the same time. It's called reality, which is varied and multi-hued, not the binary black or white you suggest. Relatively speaking, Black Americans, as a group have fantastic accomplishments to celebrate that are second to none. As a group in the United States they've never been doing better. That said, relatively speaking, Black Americans are on the receiving end of more discrimination and violence than any other distinctive group, except perhaps for the transgendered. The fact that it's complicated is not that, well... complicated.
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How would you know?
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What DT doesn't know could fill Yankee Stadium. I doubt he ventures no farther than 86th in the north and 42nd street on the south- in fact, I doubt he ventures no farther than Trump Tower; and when he does, it's to one of his properties.
What he knows about 'minorities' in general is probably what his advisers have been telling him. After all- all the Mexicans were rapists or drug carriers. Probably the only time he comes into contact with a member of a minority group is when the table is being cleared (and not at his properties).He employs European workers rather than local unemployed.
Only the groups he is now courting are not minorities, which is why he is addressing them. I hope they see through his hypocrisy. He could care less, will not create jobs (regardless what he tells the miners). The only thing he will create is havoc.
What he knows about 'minorities' in general is probably what his advisers have been telling him. After all- all the Mexicans were rapists or drug carriers. Probably the only time he comes into contact with a member of a minority group is when the table is being cleared (and not at his properties).He employs European workers rather than local unemployed.
Only the groups he is now courting are not minorities, which is why he is addressing them. I hope they see through his hypocrisy. He could care less, will not create jobs (regardless what he tells the miners). The only thing he will create is havoc.
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Dorothy,
He did not say all Mexicans are rapists or drug carriers. Maybe listen to the whole speech he gave that day. He has also created more jobs than Obama and Hillary combined. Hillary has created havoc all over the world and you give her a pass? Interesting.
He did not say all Mexicans are rapists or drug carriers. Maybe listen to the whole speech he gave that day. He has also created more jobs than Obama and Hillary combined. Hillary has created havoc all over the world and you give her a pass? Interesting.
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Here is what he learned about treatment of black people from his father, who put him in business: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2186612-major-landlord-accuse-of...
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@ Michael
For whom has he created jobs? Certainly not minorities
correction- many Mexicans crossing the border are rapists and drug carriers, and maybe a few are nice people.
For whom has he created jobs? Certainly not minorities
correction- many Mexicans crossing the border are rapists and drug carriers, and maybe a few are nice people.
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I think the NYT is missing the point of Trump's alleged 'pivot'. 'Monetize' is Trump's motto for everything. He's not actually trying to appeal to these minorities and interest groups--its beyond that--but to prepare the psychology of the general electorate today so they'll buy (literally buy products) into his claims of being cheated tomorrow. This is the new face of yesterday's absurd 'birtherism'. Only this time it'll be re-born as an entire industry, fueled by manufactured anger and resentment at his 'disgusting' loss in November by an 'outraged' Trump voter base (the crowds he loves so much). The hope is by November this 'pivot' will have tightened up the race enough that his claim will seem all the more credible--and bankable, with his new Breitbart LLC media partnership, headed up by his campaign 'chief executive', Steve Bannon. I'm sure they're already lining up a media storm of epic proportions in November that will attempt to prevent Clinton from being able to claim anything authoritative in her win. Instead, it will be clouded in a fog of innuendo, claim, and counter-claim. That's what this is all about;
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In Trump's mini-mind, telling blacks their lives suck is as close as it gets to empathy.
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Ask the folks living in fear on the South side of Chicago instead of a Clinton/Democratic field hand and a web site "founder" that none of those folks have heard of and then write your story about what life is life for black folks. What, indeed do they have to lose?
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@timmy
Want the short answer??.... EVERYTHING.
If you think that a bona-fide racist, like Donald Trump is going to do ANYTHING positive for Black people, you've been on the Kool-Aid drip too long.
Want the short answer??.... EVERYTHING.
If you think that a bona-fide racist, like Donald Trump is going to do ANYTHING positive for Black people, you've been on the Kool-Aid drip too long.
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"Ask the folks living in fear on the South side of Chicago"
Ask what "folks living in fear on the South side of Chicago" about what, Timmylee? Can you suggest one of the "folks living in fear on the South side of Chicago" that you have heard of, so that The Times can ask? You _have_ heard of at least one that you can cite, right?
Ask what "folks living in fear on the South side of Chicago" about what, Timmylee? Can you suggest one of the "folks living in fear on the South side of Chicago" that you have heard of, so that The Times can ask? You _have_ heard of at least one that you can cite, right?
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Timmy, and Trumplethinskin recommends ever MORE guns out there. Which will make the South Side safer how?
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Trump ( and republicans ) like to give minorities the down without the trickle .
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Listen Nick Corasaniti and Maggie Haberman....this is worthless waste of
time and printers ink..
Remember Corasanti and Haberman...your neglect of covering Bernie Sanders
and Gary Johnson and William Weld and even well meaning Jill Stein..
IS YOUR LEGACY as reporters....and I would not want such a legacy.
time and printers ink..
Remember Corasanti and Haberman...your neglect of covering Bernie Sanders
and Gary Johnson and William Weld and even well meaning Jill Stein..
IS YOUR LEGACY as reporters....and I would not want such a legacy.
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Is it just me, or does this comment sound a bit like Trump? I'm just saying that I've heard people saying this. Whether or not it's true, you 'll have to tell me.
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@ella
No... It's NOT your imagination. That comment is not only very Trump-esque, but also typifies the average disgruntled Bernie- supporter that swore months ago to vote for TRUMP, if Sanders didn't get the nomination.
Some "revolution".
No... It's NOT your imagination. That comment is not only very Trump-esque, but also typifies the average disgruntled Bernie- supporter that swore months ago to vote for TRUMP, if Sanders didn't get the nomination.
Some "revolution".
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The New York Times has not covered the other candidates: that is what
I am saying..
I am not for Trump....who is not qualified to be even a mayor of a small
village...or any governmental entity.
and
I am dubious about Hillary Clinton....although she is qualified to be
mayor, Governor, Senator and head of State...
But...This newspaper has been not reporting on alternative candidates
who are running in all 50 states...and that is a disservice to all of us.
I am saying..
I am not for Trump....who is not qualified to be even a mayor of a small
village...or any governmental entity.
and
I am dubious about Hillary Clinton....although she is qualified to be
mayor, Governor, Senator and head of State...
But...This newspaper has been not reporting on alternative candidates
who are running in all 50 states...and that is a disservice to all of us.
So the next time #BLM complains how bad things are or how racist the US is, I'll share this article. Thanks NY Times!
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That's a good point
Here's another: Left hand side , top of the page- right where the headlines of news stories traditionally appear. And there's nothing about this piece that make it even read as reportage of news. NYT has at this point jumped the shark. All lefty spin now.
Here's another: Left hand side , top of the page- right where the headlines of news stories traditionally appear. And there's nothing about this piece that make it even read as reportage of news. NYT has at this point jumped the shark. All lefty spin now.
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I don't think Trump was proposing to make the streets safe for blacks by making the police behave decently.
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"I'll share this article."
With whom and toward what end, KPO'M?
With whom and toward what end, KPO'M?
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While I have very mixed feelings about Trump, I thought he was speaking some very important and overlooked truths here.
As a group Blacks have been at the bottom on all kinds of measures for decades -- actually centuries -- here in the US. Not all blacks are poor, not all are stuck in high crime areas but many are.
We do need new answers for the problems that plague black America.
Is that answer Donald Trump? Well, I wouldn't recommend him. But the Democrats and Republicans have nothing to offer that is comprehensive and would be effective.
I think we need something new we haven't been offered yet. I speak for all the Americans who are scared out here -- enough to elect a President from a new party, if only that new party would come to life.
As a group Blacks have been at the bottom on all kinds of measures for decades -- actually centuries -- here in the US. Not all blacks are poor, not all are stuck in high crime areas but many are.
We do need new answers for the problems that plague black America.
Is that answer Donald Trump? Well, I wouldn't recommend him. But the Democrats and Republicans have nothing to offer that is comprehensive and would be effective.
I think we need something new we haven't been offered yet. I speak for all the Americans who are scared out here -- enough to elect a President from a new party, if only that new party would come to life.
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and who will help with the problems that plague white America? (hint: there are many more poor white people than poor black people )
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The Democrats care about people...they want to expand social security, raise the minimu wage, cut college costs so all kids can go, expand health care and rebuild our failing infrastructure as well as take on climate change- what are you talking about! All will create jobs and maybe just maybe save our planet. The Republicans, led buy their psychopath hater. DENY science, want to cut health care, SS Medicare, Unemployment and over time pay among taking away women's rights and cutting minimum wage. "Workers make too much" Donald Trump Get real and find some truth before you vote. They are not the same! The Republicans would rather take money from the oil industry than save th eplanet for your children and mine.
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If you want to look at problems plaguing the black community, you might start with the persistent efforts toward the dissenfranchisement of people of non-white background that has been long a part of American politics (for centuries, actually) and very much a part of Republicanism since Nixon's Southern Strategy in 1968. From their you might move on to economic policies, such as red-lining, or the examination of per-pupil expenditures on education.
Just a start, of course, coming from a white person who has lived most of his life in very mixed neighborhoods in large cities, and who has seen just how inherently unequal opportunities are for people of color.
Just a start, of course, coming from a white person who has lived most of his life in very mixed neighborhoods in large cities, and who has seen just how inherently unequal opportunities are for people of color.
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It can't be overemphasized that Donald Trump is a demagogue. He will twist the truth and downright lie to achieve his ends. The journalist Richard Rovere, in his classic biography of Senator Joe McCarthy, said that he was the most talented demagogue ever born and bred on our shores. I am sure he would have changed his opinion if he had lived long enough to observe Donald Trump and what he is doing to our civic and political culture.
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So if Trump had made all these points below about how well off the African American community is, I'm sure he'd be getting gushing praise from the Times and its readers.
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It's not binary, now is it?
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But Trump _didn't_ make "all these points below about how well off the African American community is." So, how can you possibly have any idea whether "he'd be getting gushing praise from the Times and its readers," let alone be "sure" of it, KPO'M?
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Lamont, KPO was being sarcastic- calm down.
When Trump says trust me, do you trust him?
When Trump says believe me, do you believe him?
When Trump says he cares for African Americans do you believe him?
When Trump says he loves Hispanics do you believe him?
What about Trump says he is a person you would trust the life of your children and grand children with?
When Trump says believe me, do you believe him?
When Trump says he cares for African Americans do you believe him?
When Trump says he loves Hispanics do you believe him?
What about Trump says he is a person you would trust the life of your children and grand children with?
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If you can trust them with Hillary, you can, with just about anyone.
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Hillary Clinton has given 59 different answers for the same question about her emails. That's 59. About the same thing.
What about Hillary Clinton says she is a person you would trust the life of your children and grandchildren with?
And before you answer that, Hillary looked the mom of an American killed in Benghazi in the eyes and LIED to her in front of her son's casket.
What about Hillary Clinton says she is a person you would trust the life of your children and grandchildren with?
And before you answer that, Hillary looked the mom of an American killed in Benghazi in the eyes and LIED to her in front of her son's casket.
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Well DCB, you've given 59 different defenses of the same Trump gaffe pretty often. Lots of people describe things slightly differently when asked again later.
What I'm curious about is why you haven't really defended this ignorant, racist notion of Trump's that all black people are living in hideous poverty and unending combat. Surely as a black person, you feel you have nothing to lose, and that's why you're supporting Trump to begin with. But how do you rationalize this particular description of his, without dodging the question by attacking Obama or Clinton for something completely unrelated?
What I'm curious about is why you haven't really defended this ignorant, racist notion of Trump's that all black people are living in hideous poverty and unending combat. Surely as a black person, you feel you have nothing to lose, and that's why you're supporting Trump to begin with. But how do you rationalize this particular description of his, without dodging the question by attacking Obama or Clinton for something completely unrelated?
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I see from the photo Trump "U" has failed again.
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The number of people in poverty in the US has increased not decreased since passage of the Great society program of LBJ. Many of these people are black. This is a fact . Democrats don't want to address this because they are the cause not the solution to this problem. Let's solve it.
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What did the democrats do to increase poverty among blacks; and how would you solve it?
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Jarthur, a little research at the U.S. Census site demonstrates that you're egregiously wrong. You should check your facts. U.S. population since 1964 has increased by about two-thirds, from about 195 million to about 320 million, so OF COURSE the sheer number of people in poverty has increased. However, the poverty rate before the Great Society programs went into effect was around 15%. In the decade after LBJ it went down to about 10%, and today it's around 12% (still showing the effects of the recession and long-term wage stagnation). So your shot at the Democrats is totally wide of the mark. Republican "trickle down" policies have had more to do with transferring wealth from the bottom to the top than any other factor, otherwise the poverty rate would be significantly lower.
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@ Keith
What the Democrats did to increase poverty among all our citizens, but especially our black citizens, has been to allow in one million workers who compete with our own workers every single year since the change to our immigration policies in 1965.
The Republicans, of course, jumped on the bandwagon, as keeping wages low is the GOP mantra.
Sadly, neither party cares about working and middle class Americans.
What the Democrats did to increase poverty among all our citizens, but especially our black citizens, has been to allow in one million workers who compete with our own workers every single year since the change to our immigration policies in 1965.
The Republicans, of course, jumped on the bandwagon, as keeping wages low is the GOP mantra.
Sadly, neither party cares about working and middle class Americans.
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I really feel sorry for all of our racial minorities who have to put up with listening to this garbage day in and day out. I especially feel bad for the many people who have genuine affection for their communities...warts and all. I'm a 60 year old white male and I'm just about ready to start punching a wall.
Totally, lame, cartoonish...downright comical.
At this point the efficacy of Trump's rightwing version of the movie "Bulworth" is so totally running out of gas with us whites he must be thinking why not try something even more absurd. Good grief...it just gets more and more horrible every day!!!
He preaches this "addressed to blacks" stuff in front of adoring white fans. I guess it's like a band rolling out a new hit single.
The bottom line is the guys is totally addicted to attention he gets from his sore head fans at his rallies. To "pivot" now would be like the Rolling Stones going on tour performing Bert Baccarat songs. Will it ever end?
Totally, lame, cartoonish...downright comical.
At this point the efficacy of Trump's rightwing version of the movie "Bulworth" is so totally running out of gas with us whites he must be thinking why not try something even more absurd. Good grief...it just gets more and more horrible every day!!!
He preaches this "addressed to blacks" stuff in front of adoring white fans. I guess it's like a band rolling out a new hit single.
The bottom line is the guys is totally addicted to attention he gets from his sore head fans at his rallies. To "pivot" now would be like the Rolling Stones going on tour performing Bert Baccarat songs. Will it ever end?
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Trump has been saying this about the whole country since the very beginning. Remember "Make America Great Again"?
Why should black America be exempt from what ails the whole country?
Why should black America be exempt from what ails the whole country?
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Why don't you ask Donald Trump--he's the one singling out the black community. I think that's a really good question actually, since apparently, he IS singling out the black community, that must mean that America Is Great Again--at least the White America who worships at his feet. Yup, he left them out.
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I'm wondering who is more tone deaf - Trump or Bush Jr. ? I remember Bush trying to sell his Social Security privatization scheme to African Americans. His argument was that African Americans would come out ahead under his scheme because they are lucky enough to die so much younger than white Americans.
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"I'm Hearing" that The Huckster is not trying to appeal to African American voters, just trying to show white suburban mothers what a compassionate guy The Huckster is.
The Huckster seems to be having more difficulty selling his 10 lb bag of "gold" to normal people.
The Huckster seems to be having more difficulty selling his 10 lb bag of "gold" to normal people.
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I don't see how you can accuse Trump of Racism simply because there are few blacks showing up at his rallies. No blacks or anyone else show up for hilllary. Trump has fervent white supporters. Hillary has no supporters but is the default choice.
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No one (at least that I've heard) is accusing him of being racist "simply because there are few blacks showing up at his rallies."
We're accusing him of being racist because of things he's said about minorities. And because of things he's done and not done -- like turning down invitations from both the NAACP and the Urban League. If he'd accepted even one of those two invitations, he would've had predominantly black audiences.
Apparently, he'd rather talk ABOUT black people to a predominantly white audience than directly TO them.
We're accusing him of being racist because of things he's said about minorities. And because of things he's done and not done -- like turning down invitations from both the NAACP and the Urban League. If he'd accepted even one of those two invitations, he would've had predominantly black audiences.
Apparently, he'd rather talk ABOUT black people to a predominantly white audience than directly TO them.
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I saw a rainbow coalition at the DNC.
A sea of white at the RNC.
Besides that's not the basis. It's his rhetoric, personal history, business doings, things he's said, his policies....
....Oh the list is yuuugggee.
A sea of white at the RNC.
Besides that's not the basis. It's his rhetoric, personal history, business doings, things he's said, his policies....
....Oh the list is yuuugggee.
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How about how he and his dad settling charges of racial discrimination from the Justice Department for actual racial discrimination?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2186612-major-landlord-accuse-of...
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2186612-major-landlord-accuse-of...
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People are not pointing out the obvious, which is why should anyone listen to a racist's opinion regarding the plight or condition of any person of color? It's like going North Korea to inquire about Chinese people.
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Come on all you folks who say the NYT and other newsmedia do the exact same thing. They don't and you know it. You are mixing up what you see in crime dramas, Fox News with what the responsible newsmedia do.
Is there crime in communities where blacks live? Yes. That's not the same as saying the entire black community is ridden with crime. There also happens to be crime in communities where whites live, but you don't make the jump to the conclusion that white communities are crime havens.
I don't think any black person would, or should, realistically look at the status of blacks in America and be satisfied with it. That's not the same as saying they don't have plenty to be proud of as well. And it's that constant drumbeat of negativity from people like Trump that gets them upset.
There are plenty of hopes and dreams and ambitions among black people. Aim at those, the inspirational, not just the frustrations, anger and fear.
But then that's what Trump has been doing all along, even among whites.
Trump is really chicken, one of the most fearful people i've ever seen, overcompensating for this fear with bluster.
Without his father's money, he'd probably be an accountant somewhere, dressing up and going to plushie conventions for vacation in Vegas.
Is there crime in communities where blacks live? Yes. That's not the same as saying the entire black community is ridden with crime. There also happens to be crime in communities where whites live, but you don't make the jump to the conclusion that white communities are crime havens.
I don't think any black person would, or should, realistically look at the status of blacks in America and be satisfied with it. That's not the same as saying they don't have plenty to be proud of as well. And it's that constant drumbeat of negativity from people like Trump that gets them upset.
There are plenty of hopes and dreams and ambitions among black people. Aim at those, the inspirational, not just the frustrations, anger and fear.
But then that's what Trump has been doing all along, even among whites.
Trump is really chicken, one of the most fearful people i've ever seen, overcompensating for this fear with bluster.
Without his father's money, he'd probably be an accountant somewhere, dressing up and going to plushie conventions for vacation in Vegas.
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Trump’s solution to the “crime” in Black neighborhoods and making it safe to walk the streets again is to increase the number of police in those neighborhoods.
Mr. Trump must have been living in the "Alt" Universe for the past several years. Has Trump heard about Ferguson, MO? You could increase the police force ten times in Ferguson, MO and African Americans would still be afraid of being shot by the police for “Walking While Black”.
Besides, with Trump actively encouraging Whites to publicly display their hatred towards all other minorities, I cannot see how anyone, other than White Males would feel safer in a Trump America.
Mr. Trump must have been living in the "Alt" Universe for the past several years. Has Trump heard about Ferguson, MO? You could increase the police force ten times in Ferguson, MO and African Americans would still be afraid of being shot by the police for “Walking While Black”.
Besides, with Trump actively encouraging Whites to publicly display their hatred towards all other minorities, I cannot see how anyone, other than White Males would feel safer in a Trump America.
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Wrong.
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Nice try but for years the same people who are now saying it is not so bad are the same people who have been telling us how bad it is ! He is just telling people what the black leaders have been complaining about for years !
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The African-American community would benefit from a Trump presidency. We can talk all we want about government programs, however, the real improvements in black lives will occur when jobs in the private sector are more available to the community. Donald Trump, based only on his possible policies, is the better candidate for the black employment situation. Trade and immigration have battered the African-American working class, notice how Obama lost NC in 2012 with the collapse of the garment industry. Cornel West had it right in many ways, under Obama Black people have been moved to the back of the bus. Even the NYTs published an article referring to at least an 8% decline in Black wages due to excessive immigration. This does not even include the new losses due to trade. Clinton represents numerous foreign governments, who wish to have their State owned companies take another piece out of industrial America. Donald Trump may not be the best messenger for the message, but he is right about what ails the community.
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trump ripped off everyone who he gave a job too. He is not a job creator, he is a liar and a cheat and left so many investors and small companies in bankruptcy while he took his money and put it offshore. Lets see your tax return Mr Trump You are not so rich as you say and you are a flip flopper extrardinaire- now you are 'spft' on immigration...yes, you are soft, soft in the head.
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Really he ripped everyone he worked with, can you give every example? I don't believe you on the first point. As far as ripoffs go, can I get my five hundred dollar donation to the Clinton Foundation returned. They showed a bunch of poor kids from India and conned me out of my money. Though slush funds don't make the Clinton's reprehensible. Save the tax return talking points for the next meeting. Do you get paid by the word? And how many words do I have to type to get my money back from those two thieves?
Why isn't every much happier that someone who knows everything, cares for everyone and, can do anything is running for president? Sounds pretty darn good to me! It's great that you can get a title loan so easy! And order pills from TV that make you lose weight - Wowie! That Krill supplement can make you feel and act like you're 30 again. Donald is part of this wonderful world - let's give thanks!
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I guess I'm really jaded when it comes to anything Trump says. I certainly don't think his recent comments were intended to win over black voters, nor were they intended to give comfort to or win over moderate white voters.
In my view he is speaking to and trying to expand turn out among his "base". He is reminding them of every stereotype they already hold - be it violence, poverty, unemployment. I think that's why you see the people seated behind him nodding in agreement - at least that's what I saw during his appearance in Akron. He's openly saying to black voters "Vote for me and I'll fix all that". His other message is to white voters - "Vote for me and I'll protect you from all that".
In my view he is speaking to and trying to expand turn out among his "base". He is reminding them of every stereotype they already hold - be it violence, poverty, unemployment. I think that's why you see the people seated behind him nodding in agreement - at least that's what I saw during his appearance in Akron. He's openly saying to black voters "Vote for me and I'll fix all that". His other message is to white voters - "Vote for me and I'll protect you from all that".
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As a white citizen I should probably keep quiet, but that's not my nature. We have a long way to go as far as ratial equality goes, but Trump's assessment of the black community and culture has to be an insult.
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As they say, " the truth hurts" - inner cities like Baltimore, Milwaukee, Chicago, etc are populated by a black underclass for whom the Democrat Party has done nothing - including Obama" . Why not consider the alternative if nothing is working....my guess, four years of President Hillary C will pass and still no change. At some point, rational people begin to think creatively. Maybe not?!
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@cathy
For starters, the Republicans haven't done ANYTHING for the inner cities -- except to slash finding...for everything.
And if you consider Donald Trump as an "alternative" to anything -- it's easy to guess which side of his Wall, you'll be on.
For starters, the Republicans haven't done ANYTHING for the inner cities -- except to slash finding...for everything.
And if you consider Donald Trump as an "alternative" to anything -- it's easy to guess which side of his Wall, you'll be on.
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Trump's creepy, and it doesn't take an above average intellect to dectect this fact.
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Grew up in the South Bronx back when it's geographical name grew by leaps and bounds with every fire in Robert Moses' failed experiment. Attended a public school right next door to that marker of lower income expectations, White Castle's. Moved along to a well regarded Bronx public HS and eventually attended an Ivy League college - for the most part on my own dime thank you very much.
I can now look out my window and see Trump's home but not the hundreds or thousands of Muslims) cheering in NJ when the WTC fell; must be a flaw in my upper floor view.
Unlike the Omarosas (What have you done for me lately?) and "privately owned" Chedales of Trump World, I can think for myself with no concerns of gain or favour from Mr. Trump. And I say: "I sooo don't think so" to "the Donald" with a hand snap for good measure.
You can take a girl out of the Bronx but not the Bronx out of the grrl.
I can now look out my window and see Trump's home but not the hundreds or thousands of Muslims) cheering in NJ when the WTC fell; must be a flaw in my upper floor view.
Unlike the Omarosas (What have you done for me lately?) and "privately owned" Chedales of Trump World, I can think for myself with no concerns of gain or favour from Mr. Trump. And I say: "I sooo don't think so" to "the Donald" with a hand snap for good measure.
You can take a girl out of the Bronx but not the Bronx out of the grrl.
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Me, the Morrisana section.
We tell people and they're shocked, shocked, I say.
Funny you don't look, sound, act, or dress like you're from the South Bronx!
People need to stop believing the media and meet people that are *not* superficially exactly like them. They may be pleasantly surprised.
We tell people and they're shocked, shocked, I say.
Funny you don't look, sound, act, or dress like you're from the South Bronx!
People need to stop believing the media and meet people that are *not* superficially exactly like them. They may be pleasantly surprised.
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@meh
Stay put. Morrisana is the next red-hot-spot on the developer's map.
Stay put. Morrisana is the next red-hot-spot on the developer's map.
Mr. Trump is channeling a very UN-Funny version of "Bulworth", and anyone who is laughing, or believes him when he says he is moderating his views, ought to have his head examined. Or, at least, take a remedial course in reading, writing, and listening comprehension.
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If Mr. Trump wants the black votes of which i am one of them, he should first go and apologize to President Obama for all the insults he meted on the President when he was championing the birther movement. Secondly, he should address us with respect not as a bunch of people who are all wretched and is awaiting his hands out, and finally, he should do what other politicians has been doing, and that is visiting our places of worship, our barber shops, the so called ghetto areas that he has vowed to improve. If he do all these things, a lot of people will take him seriously, but if he refuses to do any of these, he should forget about the black vote. At least i am still undecided
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Trump didn't visit Flint. It's way too late for him to correct his image among African Americans.
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But Flint is a great example of a city where poverty is rampant, and I bet Dems have been in charge. Detroit is another. Now Trump may not be the solution, but he clearly has identified some potential problems.
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Trump Is not going to apologize. Obama should not have allowed Trump to bully him publicly about birth certificates. It was embarrassing to watch and Obama should have shut it down quickly and he certainly should not have produced the document.
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Question for Mr Trump
You say you say to Blacks you will not be shot
So when you become the President suddenly the shooters including the Police will stop shooting because you say so. Are you going to amend the constitution that Blacks cannot be shot. Do you have a plan or is this what will happen simply because you are the President?
You say you say to Blacks you will not be shot
So when you become the President suddenly the shooters including the Police will stop shooting because you say so. Are you going to amend the constitution that Blacks cannot be shot. Do you have a plan or is this what will happen simply because you are the President?
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I am sure he can do something. Like let the Police DO THEIR JOBS instead of being told to stepdown...Trump is trying to make a BETTER life for EVERYONE...And we have many black neighborhoods here and they are bad. They can't find work,houses are falling apart,so those are the ones he's talking about. He does not mean All he means the ones that N EED help. He wants to get things going. Give him a chance. If he doen't do good then vote him out in 4 years. Thats all there is too it
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Brenda, but Trumplethinskin has advocated the NRA position of more gun proliferation everywhere. But he claims to be the law and order candidate. Ask a cop what they think of more guns out on the street.
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That's absolutely okay that Black voters don't recognize Trump's view of their lives. Most White voters don't recognize Trump's view of our lives, either.
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Trump speaks to African American issues, poverty, unemployed and etc. to a 98% white audience, in fact Donald Trump has gone out of this way to avoid to speak in any African American communities, groups, NAACP, and etc.....typically cowardly.
Trump is no more than a divisive race baiter trying to ignite the worst base hatreds in ethnic and minority groups, in the contrast that to a real public servant, Robert Kennedy, who was fearless and wanted to bring equality and minority groups together and rather than look for an excuse from doing the tough thing, he faced it head on as when Martin Luther King was assassinated by what could easily have been a Trump supporter in today's climate, as described below:
"It was supposed to be a routine campaign stop. In a poor section of Indianapolis, a largely black crowd had waited an hour to hear the presidential candidate speak. The candidate, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, had been warned not to go by the city's police chief.
As his car entered the neighborhood, his police escort left him. Once there, he stood in the back of a flatbed truck. He turned to an aide and asked, "Do they know about Martin Luther King?"
They didn't, and it was left to Kennedy to tell them that King had been shot and killed that night in Memphis, Tenn. The crowd gasped in horror."
Trump is no more than a divisive race baiter trying to ignite the worst base hatreds in ethnic and minority groups, in the contrast that to a real public servant, Robert Kennedy, who was fearless and wanted to bring equality and minority groups together and rather than look for an excuse from doing the tough thing, he faced it head on as when Martin Luther King was assassinated by what could easily have been a Trump supporter in today's climate, as described below:
"It was supposed to be a routine campaign stop. In a poor section of Indianapolis, a largely black crowd had waited an hour to hear the presidential candidate speak. The candidate, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, had been warned not to go by the city's police chief.
As his car entered the neighborhood, his police escort left him. Once there, he stood in the back of a flatbed truck. He turned to an aide and asked, "Do they know about Martin Luther King?"
They didn't, and it was left to Kennedy to tell them that King had been shot and killed that night in Memphis, Tenn. The crowd gasped in horror."
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Trump should stop and desist immediately all appeals to the Black voters because all he's doing is hurting the Black community more and more.
By talking in front of an all White audience, he's almost scolding the Black voters for not voting for him.
He should instead go down on his knees and ask for their forgiveness first.
If anyone deserves the scorn of the Black communities, it is Donald J. Trump as he had been humiliating and insulting the Black people for almost half century now.
Trump started with denying the Black people to either rent or buy his condos in New York City in the seventies and he rounded up his insults by paying a White guy his legal fees in North Carolina who threw a sucker punch at a 'BLACK LIVES MATTER' protester .
In between Trump has insulted the entire Black community by insulting their biggest star after MLK, called Barack Obama, the first African American President of this all White racist institutional country.
He had no qualms or regrets for asking to see Obama's birth certificate which Obama kept on showing like a good man instead of shoving down it Trump's throat which any of the White Presidents would've done if a Black Trump had kept on harassing the President like this racist White Trump did to Obama.
He had no intention of showing any respect to our first Black President just like most of the Republicans, the party he belongs to right now.
It's utterly stupid on Trump's part to ask for Black votes after he insulted them all his life.
By talking in front of an all White audience, he's almost scolding the Black voters for not voting for him.
He should instead go down on his knees and ask for their forgiveness first.
If anyone deserves the scorn of the Black communities, it is Donald J. Trump as he had been humiliating and insulting the Black people for almost half century now.
Trump started with denying the Black people to either rent or buy his condos in New York City in the seventies and he rounded up his insults by paying a White guy his legal fees in North Carolina who threw a sucker punch at a 'BLACK LIVES MATTER' protester .
In between Trump has insulted the entire Black community by insulting their biggest star after MLK, called Barack Obama, the first African American President of this all White racist institutional country.
He had no qualms or regrets for asking to see Obama's birth certificate which Obama kept on showing like a good man instead of shoving down it Trump's throat which any of the White Presidents would've done if a Black Trump had kept on harassing the President like this racist White Trump did to Obama.
He had no intention of showing any respect to our first Black President just like most of the Republicans, the party he belongs to right now.
It's utterly stupid on Trump's part to ask for Black votes after he insulted them all his life.
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Oh, great. So now we can stop all the affirmative action, preferential set asides in government contracts, lowering of college entrance criteria, etc.
Black America is doing just fine.
Lets move right along.
Black America is doing just fine.
Lets move right along.
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Yes, do just that. Next.
Yeah, Baron95. It's just like the Voting rights Act. According to SCOTUS everything was fixed so significant parts were gutted. Virtually overnight brand new minority voter suppression laws were put in place. Imagine that! I guess you can't be too careful after all.
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Yep, everything in the world is completely binary. Blacks are either fine and don't deserve any support or help to change either current racism and the effect of centuries of white bigotry, or blacks are all living in violent poverty. It isn't possible that the black community has made great progress and that there is still a ways to go, because that would require thought and nuance rather than knee-jerk responses.
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Trump wants to get people back to work and is promising jobs. He is advertising to people that have held jobs before.
Unemployment in the African American community is rampant, so that idea is a bit off kilter.
Unemployment in the African American community is rampant, so that idea is a bit off kilter.
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What jobs? He only hires from HB2 visa's, the man doesn't have jobs for Americans. Every product he hocks is made overseas. The unemployment rate for adults is 12.4, he lies and say's, AA teens and young adults have a 59% rate,
bwaaa, it's 18 actually, and you believe anything he say's, really anything?
bwaaa, it's 18 actually, and you believe anything he say's, really anything?
Just for the record. The African-American community isn't some monolithic block of rampant unemployment....And these kind of incorrect generalizations go but so far.
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Trump won't even hire white Americans to work at his resorts. His products_ before they failed, were manufactured overseas and he perfers to hire white Europeans to serve his rich clientele.
And he's going to bring jobs to white and black Americans?
And he's going to bring jobs to white and black Americans?
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The statements in the column are so illogical that it is very hard to understand what he was thinking when he made them or why his advisors did not pull him aside and explain to his his folly.