Who is it that actually proved that the hack was done by the Russians? Beyond a doubt, I mean, not just maybe.
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Miami Beach
A lot of should of. and possibly in your statements. Hillary Clinton has been under investigation since the seventies, and this is all you have?
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Oh, there's so much more in "Clinton Cash" and "Obama 2016," and "Hillary's America." Who can feign surprise that until great Burnham wood comes to high Dunsinane hill - yes, hill - Hill's "trustworthy" numbers will never go below 65%?? She worked hard for that nadir, let her keep it!
A lot of should of. and possibly in your statements. Hillary Clinton has been under investigation since the seventies, and this is all you have?
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Oh, there's so much more in "Clinton Cash" and "Obama 2016," and "Hillary's America." Who can feign surprise that until great Burnham wood comes to high Dunsinane hill - yes, hill - Hill's "trustworthy" numbers will never go below 65%?? She worked hard for that nadir, let her keep it!
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How ironic that the only truth we are getting from the democrat campaign and DNC/Clinton Foundation come from emails turned over to Judicial Watch and Citizens United under FOIA and the hackers most likely from Russia, who leaked the emails to wiki leaks. The last scenerio should give all democrats serious pause because lurking is the "October Surprise," a/k/a the "smoking gun," as it were. Already we have enough to trigger a grand jury investigation into pay for play, but Ms. Lynch has told the FBI no grand jury, no referral, no nothing because the fix is in and Obama wants none of it . She has turned a blind eye and should properly be impeached for failing to uphold her oath. Now we are left with Hillary. The more emails that are released, the more likely it becomes that she perjured herself before congress about her conduct surrounding the email investigation. And I am sure there is a quid pro quo email out there that unequivocally demonstrates cash for favors or cash for access. (we already have the latter...ho hum) And when that turns up, even the NYT will be forced to say something.
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Anyone who believes there are no RNC moles in the DNC must have been beamed down from space yesterday.
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Proof, please.
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The biggest beneficiaries of all this email chaos: UPS, FedEx, The United States Postal Service and anyone who has an IBM Selectric to sell on EBay.
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Seems like Russia is doing a better job of keeping our government transparent then we are.
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What ? A conspiracy by Democrats that Trump is involved in a covert effort to undermine Clinton ? I thought that Trump was the only one alleging conspiracy theories. Folks, let's be honest with ourselves. Neither side takes the moral high ground when it comes to using ridiculous campaign tactics. Thank goodness, the American electorate is far too intelligent to be swayed by such tactics. We are; aren't we ?
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It hurts to say this: The American electorate is so ignorant, so narrow-minded, so selfish. so materialistic, that the Founders must be spinning in their graves.
Even those who advocate/work for good causes can be ignorant and narrow.
What happened to research; critical thinking; healthy skepticism?
Even those who advocate/work for good causes can be ignorant and narrow.
What happened to research; critical thinking; healthy skepticism?
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New York
The GOP of Trump, Bush, Cruz, Gingrich, etc. -- climate-change-deniers all --is an oil and gas company masquerading as a political party.
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Teapot Dome, dba GOP Senate and Congress? Why not. Wish my pot (Train Wreck) was as strong as yours is.
The GOP of Trump, Bush, Cruz, Gingrich, etc. -- climate-change-deniers all --is an oil and gas company masquerading as a political party.
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Teapot Dome, dba GOP Senate and Congress? Why not. Wish my pot (Train Wreck) was as strong as yours is.
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Its always good to check in with the NY Times for some clear unbiased political articles and analysis. If only there was ONE gun owner or ONE pro lifer on the staff of 1000 NY Times employees we could get some clear unbiased articles on those issues as well. Alas, the NY Times is staffed by 95-99% Democrats.
But they have there finger on the pulse of the American voter.
But they have there finger on the pulse of the American voter.
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It's called Karma Democrats!
The crying and gnashing of teeth is too much. If the emails released show nothing then why all this bleating?! Or does it truly show fraud, election manipulation, pay to play, media collusion etc. etc.
You got caught high 5-ing after your steal. Wiki stole right back and dunked on you. And they are going to do it again!
Be the adults, as you all self claim to be. Quit whining and own it. You lied and cheated and someone pointed it out and punched you in the nose.
Grow up! As you repeatedly have brayed.
The US hacks and manipulates elections around the globe. Has for centuries. Do you think Honduras thinks Hillary was helping them?! PLEASE!
The DNC was/is corrupt from top to bottom. The schadenfreude is just to delicious. You got what you deserved. May it continue.
Cheaters shouldn't prosper. Just like the dopers in the Olympics, throw the bums out. America doesn't like dishonesty. Even though they are dishonest from beginning to end. Hypocrites.
The crying and gnashing of teeth is too much. If the emails released show nothing then why all this bleating?! Or does it truly show fraud, election manipulation, pay to play, media collusion etc. etc.
You got caught high 5-ing after your steal. Wiki stole right back and dunked on you. And they are going to do it again!
Be the adults, as you all self claim to be. Quit whining and own it. You lied and cheated and someone pointed it out and punched you in the nose.
Grow up! As you repeatedly have brayed.
The US hacks and manipulates elections around the globe. Has for centuries. Do you think Honduras thinks Hillary was helping them?! PLEASE!
The DNC was/is corrupt from top to bottom. The schadenfreude is just to delicious. You got what you deserved. May it continue.
Cheaters shouldn't prosper. Just like the dopers in the Olympics, throw the bums out. America doesn't like dishonesty. Even though they are dishonest from beginning to end. Hypocrites.
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It's frustrating how badly this is being reported, and - as a direct result - how poorly Americans understand what's going on.
What we know.
- Someone hacked into the DNC.
- Probably multiple people.
- The FBI warned the DNC months before they took any action.
- Someone gave some emails to Wikileaks.
- The person that did it may or may not be a single person or a group.
- They may or may not be working for Russia.
- They may or may not have hacked the server.
- Assange has hinted that the emails WL published came from a LEAK, not a hack.
- No one knows if that's true or not.
- The US government hasn't definitively said it was Russia and likely never will.
- They do NOT know who gave the files to Assange, as far as anyone knows.
- US intelligence agencies are both wrong and deliberately dishonest from time to time. Everyone reading this knows this to be true, without question.
Anything you read that says that Russia leaked the emails is joining dots and making assumptions. Anyone that says it was Trump is just making stuff up. Anyone that believes they know the whole story based on some US intelligence person saying that PART of what happened was done by Russia is fooling themselves.
There's PLENTY of scenarios that involve Russia hacking the the DNC (and RNC for that matter) and not releasing the emails. China did just that to the RNC and Romney.
Facts matter.
What we know.
- Someone hacked into the DNC.
- Probably multiple people.
- The FBI warned the DNC months before they took any action.
- Someone gave some emails to Wikileaks.
- The person that did it may or may not be a single person or a group.
- They may or may not be working for Russia.
- They may or may not have hacked the server.
- Assange has hinted that the emails WL published came from a LEAK, not a hack.
- No one knows if that's true or not.
- The US government hasn't definitively said it was Russia and likely never will.
- They do NOT know who gave the files to Assange, as far as anyone knows.
- US intelligence agencies are both wrong and deliberately dishonest from time to time. Everyone reading this knows this to be true, without question.
Anything you read that says that Russia leaked the emails is joining dots and making assumptions. Anyone that says it was Trump is just making stuff up. Anyone that believes they know the whole story based on some US intelligence person saying that PART of what happened was done by Russia is fooling themselves.
There's PLENTY of scenarios that involve Russia hacking the the DNC (and RNC for that matter) and not releasing the emails. China did just that to the RNC and Romney.
Facts matter.
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You are right except that Hillary is getting the Times and other MSM to make a big deal about Russia. She is gearing up for war w/Russia. We've got Russia encircled w/weapons now. She wants war-probably to cover up their illicit uranium dealings there, among other things. Obama, Clinton, and Biden are all calling for Assange's assassination and to have WikiLeaks declared a terrorist group when all it is doing is exposing corruption in high places. Now the FBI has declined to investigate the Foundation. There seems to be no way to stop the Clinton machine.
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Obiter dicta: "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing," and "those move easiest who have learned to dance," A. P. said some time ago. Trending: 77% of Comments below are inane, willfully distorting the actual news reports in desperation to get the deck chairs on the SS Billary Titanic rearranged. "Women and donors first!" Cast off!
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"At long last, madam, have you no Veracity? At long last?" - Sen. Roy Cohn, 1950-something.
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Cohn (not a senator) was the closet homosexual who waged ferocious war on homosexuals during the McCarthy witch hunting era - until he died of AIDS.
Are you mixing this up with the immortal remark by Joseph Welch during the Army hearings on McCarthyism?
"Joseph Nye Welch (October 22, 1890 – October 6, 1960) was the chief counsel for the United States Army while it was under investigation for Communist activities by Senator Joseph McCarthy's Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, an investigation known as the Army–McCarthy hearings. His confrontation with McCarthy during the hearings, in which he famously asked McCarthy "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" is seen as a turning point in the history of McCarthyism."
this up with the famous remark by
Are you mixing this up with the immortal remark by Joseph Welch during the Army hearings on McCarthyism?
"Joseph Nye Welch (October 22, 1890 – October 6, 1960) was the chief counsel for the United States Army while it was under investigation for Communist activities by Senator Joseph McCarthy's Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, an investigation known as the Army–McCarthy hearings. His confrontation with McCarthy during the hearings, in which he famously asked McCarthy "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" is seen as a turning point in the history of McCarthyism."
this up with the famous remark by
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Can't cheat an honest man or woman. The Democrats have nothing to fear if everything they did was on the up and up.
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While the cybersecurity/cyber-theft of the DNC computer system was criminal, the trove of released hacked email didn't perpetrate a fraud on the American electoral process. No, rather it exposed the true colors and systemic hypocrisy the "all-inclusive party" professes to support.
While each party has plenty of skeletons that remain buried, maybe, just maybe, all this technology isn't as cracked up as it seems to be...
While each party has plenty of skeletons that remain buried, maybe, just maybe, all this technology isn't as cracked up as it seems to be...
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There was nothing damning in the DNC emails. Pretty much just business as usual, the same as at any company, any political party, anywhere. However, the hacking, theft and distribution of private emails without authorization is criminal.
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David, you forgot to mention the unkindest cut of all: Democrat SANCTIMONY. No one does it better, viz., Philly treacle-fest. Now, it's all come undone.
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At a minimum the emails showed that the DNC was scheming behind the scenes to sabotage Bernie Sanders. Lied about it repeatedly then the emails proved them wrong. They were undermining democracy. I'm actually shocked that many Sanders' supporters apparently are OK with this. Is it really win at all costs?
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Notably missing from this article is any mention of the status of the RNC emails. Surely, as soon as the RNC learned that the DNC emails had been hacked, they looked for signs of "forced entry" in their own system. If they checked and could find no evidence that their system had been hacked, wouldn't they call attention to their superior defenses? But if they did find evidence that they too had been hacked, would they tell us? To remain silent and benefit from the selective leaking of DNC emails by the hackers (in league with Assange) would constitute collusion with the hackers to sabotage the DNC. Would they stoop so low?
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Can you actually get any lower than the DNC?
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Sceptic
This comment lifts us a new level of pretzel thinking.
Thanks for the fun
This comment lifts us a new level of pretzel thinking.
Thanks for the fun
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Nope.
Did you hear the story about the woman who decided to take her husband's rowboat out on the lake after he returned from fishing and went to take a nap? She was relaxing and reading a book when she was accosted by a sheriff who said he was going to write her a citation and fine her for fishing without a license. She said she wasn't fishing. He said that she had the equipment and the ability and she was out on the lake and he was going to cite her. She said, "in that case I am going to accuse you of rape." He said that he hadn't done a thing so how could she accuse him? She told him that he had the equipment and the ability…
Just because the Russians have the ability and might have a motive, doesn't mean they did it. This is pure speculation of the most shameless kind. It is an attempt to divert everyone's attention from what the Democrats did wrong to the possibility of the Russians trying to influence our election. If anyone was trying to influence the election unfairly, it was Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her minions. As far as I am concerned, the Democratic Primary was invalid. Perhaps the Democrats should not be allowed to field a candidate, when that candidate got the nomination by trickery. In any event, it is the question of the validity of the Democratic primary that is important, not speculation on who released the emails.
Just because the Russians have the ability and might have a motive, doesn't mean they did it. This is pure speculation of the most shameless kind. It is an attempt to divert everyone's attention from what the Democrats did wrong to the possibility of the Russians trying to influence our election. If anyone was trying to influence the election unfairly, it was Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her minions. As far as I am concerned, the Democratic Primary was invalid. Perhaps the Democrats should not be allowed to field a candidate, when that candidate got the nomination by trickery. In any event, it is the question of the validity of the Democratic primary that is important, not speculation on who released the emails.
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We are entitled to run Democrats, not interlopers. You need to focus on fairness in general elections, if that can even be imagined in the Balkanized most ludicrously misnamed country on this planet.
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Would it kill you to actually read the article before commenting?
"Officials have acknowledged that the Russian hackers gained access to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which is the fund-raising arm for House Democrats, and to the Democratic National Committee, including a D.N.C. voter analytics program used by Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign."
Trump is in deep debt to Russian financiers close to Putin, because US banks will no longer lend to Trump. Putin has already endorsed Trump for president. Snap out of your coma.
"Officials have acknowledged that the Russian hackers gained access to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which is the fund-raising arm for House Democrats, and to the Democratic National Committee, including a D.N.C. voter analytics program used by Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign."
Trump is in deep debt to Russian financiers close to Putin, because US banks will no longer lend to Trump. Putin has already endorsed Trump for president. Snap out of your coma.
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Agreed.
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Can't wait until the Bear releases the real juicy emails 2 weeks before election day. We need a tech savvy president not some decrepit baby boomer carpetbagger.
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Trump is tech savvy?
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You actually perceive the crazed egomaniac Trump as "tech savvy"? Did you actually LISTEN to what he's been saying for the last months? You want this "tech savvy" ignoramus to have his finger on the nuclear trigger?
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Thank you Wikileaks for the DNC emails. We can't expect our biased press, especially the New York Times and Washington Post, to provide any negative information about Obama or Clinton. The recent article by the New York Times explaining why they should be biased in this particular election was absurd for this formerly respectable paper. One can only debate what is more dangerous to our democracy: lack of an independent press or a Justice Department that refuses to investigate a case referred by the FBI. Apparently Nixon was an amateur when compared to Clinton and the current administration.
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Would we be having these discussions had we nominated Bernie? We knew she was a problem and so we fervently supported Bernie. But no one believed us. And now, with the help of the Russians, it's one scandal after another, and Trump's only assaults come from his own mouth
We should have nominated Bernie.
We should have nominated Bernie.
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About Bernie: If Democrats flip just 5 of the 34 Senate seats in play, the Senate turns blue. That means the current chairman of the powerful Senate Budget Committee, Republican Sen. Mike Enzi, will be replaced by the ranking minority member, Sen. Bernie Sanders, making Bernie one of the most powerful elected officials in Congress. Vote straight blue this November.
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Why didn't you then?
Oh that's right, I almost forgot. He lost.
Oh that's right, I almost forgot. He lost.
Who just bought his third home.
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The circus goes on. The latest act is that guy climbing up Trump Tower with suction cups. He says he just wanted to talk with Trump. He's probably a Russian agent sent by Putin.
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Ed-
LOL
it is just too rich-
suction cups for god's sake- Tom Wolfe couldn't do better than this
LOL
it is just too rich-
suction cups for god's sake- Tom Wolfe couldn't do better than this
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Pity no one told the mentally-disturbed nephew of Tim Kaine from Virginia that Trump was campaigning yesterday in .... Virginia. Our wannabe Sir Edmund Hillary - get it? - could've avoided that $15 Lincoln Tunnel toll! And Timid Tim would not be behind the 8-ball as Hillary is. "Were you sent for? I know you were sent for." Hamlet to Rosencrantz, as they climbed Mont Blanc.
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Oh no! It's those scary Russkies again! Where are The Wolverines when you need them?
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I have read no less than 5 posts saying why should that criminal Assange be believed that it was not the Russians that did the hacking.....yet every single one of those posts were from Liberals, who believe everything that Hillary says...a corrupt, serial-lying individual who has broken so many laws it isn't even funny anymore. It is sad.
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DNC birds must fly. So sad, like Martina McBride singing about the bird with the broken wing. Pure pathos.
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The Republican Party is the most consistent source of bad faith in the US. Everything else is relative to that.
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If there is no proof, after constant investigation, innuendo and denigration -
how does that reflect on the "aren't we wonderful" right-wingers?
how does that reflect on the "aren't we wonderful" right-wingers?
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I work for a state agency, and am subject to open record laws. We are all taught that with email, there can be absolutely no expectation of privacy. And that is not just valid for our work accounts, but our personal accounts too because (besides legitimate FOIA requests), there are a ton of people who know how to hack into computer systems.
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Phoebe - Just tell your state government IT people you want your own server, preferably in your garage, so you can defend your private government communications from those prying FOIA eyes. No problem!
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Of course Russia hacked the Democrats. They want Trump to win because they feel they can control him. He is so uninformed and such a megalomaniac that he drools when Putin says "nice" things about him. Putin is a master manipulator and will run wild over Trump, putting our country in real danger. Yes, of course, Putin does not want to deal with Hillary, a strong, knowledgeable leader who will do what's best for America, not Russia. She doesn't need his praise. She wants a powerful USA. And Trump is salivating, looking forward to more name-calling and conspiracy garbage based on emails. Trump asked Russia to continue digging for emails. That to me was treason. Asking a foreign government to intervene in our political process and to find out our secrets, is reprehensible.
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With Metta - "Putin does not want to deal with Hillary, a strong, knowledgeable leader who will do what's best for America, not Russia."
Do yourself and the NYT readers a favor and look up, in the NYT, the Uranium one deal.
The New York Times confirmed, the chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer, was making donations to the Clinton Foundation at the time that the State Department was reviewing the sale to Russia. Those donations were kept secret by the Clinton Foundation.
Hilary will do what's best for Hillary, not America.
Do yourself and the NYT readers a favor and look up, in the NYT, the Uranium one deal.
The New York Times confirmed, the chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer, was making donations to the Clinton Foundation at the time that the State Department was reviewing the sale to Russia. Those donations were kept secret by the Clinton Foundation.
Hilary will do what's best for Hillary, not America.
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Wrong. Putin's afraid of Hillary, because she could beat him in a sumo wrestling match.
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Hillary is blaming the Russians because she wants to build up support for a totally unnecessary war w/Russia. We have Russia surrounded. She is just laying the groundwork for her war so she can kill more of our service members. In the name of equality, she wants to draft women so we can have even more cannon fodder. Putin has said that if she's elected it means war-and I don't think he'll be the one to start it. I am not fond of him but I think he's saner than Hillary by a long shot.
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The NYT just can't help itself from beating that dead horse about Clinton's email server being hacked. If there is 'no evidence' of a breach, there probably wasn't any breach. Skill attackers may be able to remove all evidence, but skilled attackers generally *DO NOT DO THIS* because they want to be able to maintain access after any security holes have been patched. For the love of God, please call an actual computer security expert on the phone before printing this drivel for another dozen times.
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"For the love of God....", from a San Franciscan. Gives me new hope.
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OK, now I'm feeling Putin AND NRA are in together on this shoot Hillary thingy. Newt says if I feel it, it's real. Scoot over, tooter!
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Ok, Abby, rock on.
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Is there anybody who can tell me the difference between having no doubt and virtually having no doubt? How does "virtually no doubt" rhyme with that the F.B.I. has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton's server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else?
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It's the same difference as that between "merci beaucoup!" and "merci." De nada.
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For all the conspiracy theorists who think that it was the Russians who hacked the server; to all those who think that the Russians are a red herring; to all who think that it was GOP "Dirty Tricks"; to all who think that the content of the emails proves anything criminal or embarrassing against HRC;
To all of you, I say this:
Somebody with an ax to grind desperately wants to deflect attention from the fact that the GOP is running the worst candidate in the history of the Republic.
Keep your eye on the ball!
To all of you, I say this:
Somebody with an ax to grind desperately wants to deflect attention from the fact that the GOP is running the worst candidate in the history of the Republic.
Keep your eye on the ball!
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Silly post! Nobody asked the DNC to write those emails.
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It's a great Russian conspiracy. Case closed. Ha. Ha. Ha.
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Pray the Russians do not do to your island what they did to Cuba since 1959.
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@Charles. What? You might have the weirdest post here. Are you saying the Russians might invade Hawaii? Are you also saying that the Soviets took over Cuba in 1959?
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The Russians didn't do it; we did.
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Given that the Russians are trying to manipulate the election, how do we know that all the emails they have 'found' are real? Could it be that some are made up to make the Democrats look bad? I would not put it past the Russians. I would not put it past Trump.
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If they're fake then why did Debbie quit?
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They don't have to make up any emails to make them look bad.
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Because you have to pick your battles, and Bernie has been trying to get her fired for months now despite all the things she did to get him admitted to the party in time for his campaign. Her departure was an obvious sop to Berners. And it's easier to let a scandal wither away from a lack of fuel (which is what is happening now) than to fight it directly. Not to mention that she has a nasty re-election campaign of her own going on right now.
Is that enough for you? There are more things to list.
Is that enough for you? There are more things to list.
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A few thoughts:
1. By releasing their hacks, the Russians (if they are responsible) have lost a major source of intelligence since it has led everyone to beef up their email cybersecurity.
2. The idea that this release would successfully influence the US elections is flawed. Trump is heading for a major defeat.
3. The Russians, if they did this, have antagonized the next US President, thereby creating a pretty formidable enemy.
All this speaks to stupidity on the part of Russian "intelligence", unless they are being framed (which is not beyond the possible).
1. By releasing their hacks, the Russians (if they are responsible) have lost a major source of intelligence since it has led everyone to beef up their email cybersecurity.
2. The idea that this release would successfully influence the US elections is flawed. Trump is heading for a major defeat.
3. The Russians, if they did this, have antagonized the next US President, thereby creating a pretty formidable enemy.
All this speaks to stupidity on the part of Russian "intelligence", unless they are being framed (which is not beyond the possible).
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Jeff,
They are being framed.
They are being framed.
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Possible, but not likely. Consider the time line. This hacking went on months ago and for several months at the DNC, so it is likely that information as to other accounts gleaned from them were also being hacked at the same time. As Trump approached the nomination, the polls for him improved considerably in a several states. The release of the DNC emails was clearly timed to coincide with the Dem. Nat. Convention. It takes more than a few days to prepare that material for public posting by Wikileaks, so this was probably aimed at increasing what appeared to be a growing Trump lead. If there were wider hacks, as appears to be the case, they are not losing anything as yet, but do have material for Wikileaks to continue to release in an attempt to influence the election. These sources are probably not useful for serious intelligence, but they are sources of casual gossip, unguarded comments, etc. etc. -- just the kind of thing that trips up candidates, or causes ruptures between colleagues. I think the Russians would consider influencing a US presidential election to be well worth the loss of those sources. And, yes, Trump appears to be losing at this point, but he was not several weeks ago when all this really hit. As for antagonizing Hillary Clinton, she is hardly naive when it comes to Putin or Russia, so I doubt they worry about it.
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I'm not sure Anna. Assange took credit for the first major hack because he doesn't want Hillary to force his extradition. And she will, and might have him assassinated as a major security concern (which he is). It just goes to show you that you shouldn't antagonize Mean Mommy.
Putin doesn't want Hillary as president because Donald will be a pushover internationally. Hillary will be anything but.
Putin doesn't want Hillary as president because Donald will be a pushover internationally. Hillary will be anything but.
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Ya right, the Russkies did it. These evil people with horns coming out of their heads, broke in to DNC email servers, stole files and are now using it to help Trump, another evil guy, to get elected as president. Ya, whatever, say whatever, hire/bribe as many prostitutes, oh sorry, IT experts and msm outlets you want. It doesn't hide the fact that what the DNC was doing was wrong and constitutes an egregious misuse of power. All elections need to be public funded as is the case in so many legitimate democracies throughout the world. Every party's emails, file systems and accounts need to be opened up, audited and put on the web fore everyone to see. No privacy, no secrets when conducting an election.
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The general election was supposed to be Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump. Either way the masses were bucking the status quo and wanted something fresh in the White House. The DNC and Obama's cabinet and the media are trying to shove Hillary Clinton down our throats whether we like it or not. It makes me sick to see a paper I subscribe to functioning as a propaganda arm of David Brock.
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David has lots and lots to atone for after what was done to lovesick Anita Hill. Becoming uncloseted - like Anderson and Andrew Sullivan did - was just the start.
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OMG, are we now to be bludgeoned to death by days and days of the latest exposure of emails saying little or nothing and presented as if full of sound and fury? Please stop publishing nothing as if it were meaningful. It is bad enough that we will have to put up with DT for the next 88 days, and every day offering a new surprise in low intellect supposition ("well, I think so . . .") presenting itself as The New Wisdom. Ugh, retch, retch. . . . .
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Have you spent any time reading the actual emails themselves or are you relying on the NYT depiction of them. They are not nothing in content or in the context of their creation.
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Meg - Some people need all their thoughts formulated and manipulated by the left wing propaganda ministers and/or the NYT.
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Why is the DNC getting hacked? Why not the RNC?
The RNC has motive and opportunity I suppose.
The RNC has motive and opportunity I suppose.
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Too critical a thinker. Putin will have to zoom you some other way. Way to play our game against his gameboys! I want you on my team.
What would an RNC hack prove? That they tried to rig it against Trump, which we knew all along. Just like we all knew the DNC was rigging it for Hillary—but they tried to characterize everyone who called them out crazy conspiracy theorists.
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Its like a vast right-wing conspiracy I tells ya!
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Russia is a kleptocracy and a generally criminal state. Trump is their friend
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all Harbe-
and 2 + 2 = 5.
thanks so much.
and 2 + 2 = 5.
thanks so much.
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Hack? Who cares? Where are the stories about how a high-ranking democrat party insider conspired to rig a national primary?
Oh, right. The crime worked in favor of the NYTimes' favorite candidate, thus, no story - and probably also why there are no comments like mine in this thread.
Oh, right. The crime worked in favor of the NYTimes' favorite candidate, thus, no story - and probably also why there are no comments like mine in this thread.
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Where is the evidence that this was a "Russian cyberattack"? Yellow journalism at its finest.
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The FBI investigation led to Russian hackers. And pretty quickly, too.
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Because someone wants Trump to win. Whether it is Russia or ISIL or Trump, someone is hacking for Trump.
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Just hackin' around, no one in here but us chickens, cluck cluck, Nyet!
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NYT of course is concerned about the potentially embarrassing affect this may have on Hillary.....they are unlikely to show any concern that this could be harmful to our national security.
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patrick - "...potentially embarrassing affect this may have on Hillary...this could be harmful to our national security."
To the NYT those are one and the same, one and the same.
To the NYT those are one and the same, one and the same.
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OK, Russia loves Trump and GOP. China hates Russia and Trump. China has already hacked IRS and scored heaps of personal info on 100+ million Americans. Can we hope Trump was one of them?
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Now that is lip smacking, but I assume the Chinese are not as desperate as Putin to control our gameboy. They have a more untied nation. Putin says Hillary turned his own people against him to explain why he had to lock up his own competition.
Abby -
What is an "untied nation"?
Please to explain?
What is an "untied nation"?
Please to explain?
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United typo
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So now it's a fact that the DNC email hacking came from Russia?
I missed that story.
I missed that story.
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Well the New York Times has once again fallen in to the Clinton line of propaganda... the Russians, really? Of course there is no focus on the crime committed by Hillary Clinton and thugs but on the whistleblowers who have revealed truths that HRC went to great length to hide. What about her health issues? I think it is time that she has full independent disclosure on why she has someone in attendance to steady her and calm her... it even appears they have some kind of a devise for injecting her... no she is a known liar, she has no conscience or moral compass... her lust is for power and money... I will not vote for either Clinton or Trump... to quote Charles Spurgeon "of two evils choose neither."
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"American intelligence agencies have virtually no doubt that the Russian Government was behind the theft".
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My favorite part about all of this is all the Americans so upset that another country would meddle in their affairs... meddling in other countries affairs - coups, rigged elections, assassinations, media manipulation - those are things the US has been doing for decades... now that Russia POSSIBLY hacked a server for a political party people are suddenly against this sort of thing... lol.
It's a bit late to be against it folks. Only caring when someone does it to you makes your complaints seem pretty meaningless. All over the world countries who have had their sovereignty messed with by the US are having a chuckle at your expense, at best. Likely more than a few people are cheering on Russia, and thinking the US is finally getting just a tiny taste of it's own medicine.
It's a bit late to be against it folks. Only caring when someone does it to you makes your complaints seem pretty meaningless. All over the world countries who have had their sovereignty messed with by the US are having a chuckle at your expense, at best. Likely more than a few people are cheering on Russia, and thinking the US is finally getting just a tiny taste of it's own medicine.
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We are ALL being spied on so why would these groups and people think that no one was spying on them.
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Oh, so you're perfectly OK with this state of affairs?
That's right! You don't live in this country! You don't really care at all what happens here!
That's right! You don't live in this country! You don't really care at all what happens here!
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I'm not "OK" with countries messing with the sovereignty of other countries. It is however ironic that so many Americans are upset by something that their own country does and has done for decades more than practically any other country on the planet.
My point - again - is that only caring about things when they happen to you makes you fairly unsympathetic if you've been doing those same things to others for decades. Perhaps Americans should take this opportunity to consider that this feeling they have, that this is how their country has been making others feel - at best - for generations.
I say at best, because the US has done much much much much worse to other countries than simply hack into a party's email.
My point - again - is that only caring about things when they happen to you makes you fairly unsympathetic if you've been doing those same things to others for decades. Perhaps Americans should take this opportunity to consider that this feeling they have, that this is how their country has been making others feel - at best - for generations.
I say at best, because the US has done much much much much worse to other countries than simply hack into a party's email.
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How about some real journalism on the content of these emails NYT? It's bad enough that we need hackers to expose the truth for you, yet all you can do is spin and bury? The toolset used to "hack" the DNC is widely available online for sale. It was written by Russian hackers. I'm sorry - we're well past booga booga! the Russians are coming! Why not try to suss out some scrap of journalistic integrity before you're completely and utterly irrelevant? No one wants Trump in the Whitehouse, not even Trump it seems - how about taking an honest stance and helping us get a clean Democrat candidate to go up against him. Hillary is dirty and runs the risk of losing us everything. Think of the future! Please!
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RNC was obviously rigging the primary against Donald but he miraculously won. DNC was obviously rigging the primary against Bernie, lied about it, were caught, and Bernie ultimately lost.
Hillary is a weak retread that genuinely inspires nobody outside of the DNC-Beltway-liberal media machine and when she loses after an 'October Surprise' maybe they'll regret shoving her down our throats.
Hillary is a weak retread that genuinely inspires nobody outside of the DNC-Beltway-liberal media machine and when she loses after an 'October Surprise' maybe they'll regret shoving her down our throats.
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My worry is that she'll win - she's the only sane one, after all - and think she has a mandate. Like born on third base, thinking ya hit a triple....
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"Dirty Tricks"... the line from Nixon to Lee Atwater to KArl Rove to Trump is pretty clear... But even "Tricky Dick" didn't involve a (semi-hostile) foreign power in his illegal shenanigans!
Nixon could have (rightly!) been prosecuted for criminal activity--when will Trump, Priebus and the "Dirty Tricksters, 2016" be brought to justice?
Nixon could have (rightly!) been prosecuted for criminal activity--when will Trump, Priebus and the "Dirty Tricksters, 2016" be brought to justice?
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An FBI team visited DNC and/or HRC campaign officials twice to ask them to turn over their computers for analysis because the systems had been corrupted. Lawyers for HRC were suspicious of FBI's parallel investigation into Hillary and rejected the FBI's requests. The DIY cyber-security staff at DNC and HRC was a Jayvee team, blinded by distrust of our Federal Government, despite years of yeoman service from leftist Eric Holder.
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Yo man all the way.
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Putin is rumbling for another Ukraine incursion, but ya'll enjoy your hacky snacks.
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Don't kid yourself. Neither party has the will or mandate to keep Putin from slowly absorbing and digesting Ukraine, like The Blob. A violent end to the Cold War? I don't think so.
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Well, at least you see Russia as a monster. We have got our arses over his firing range, but that's never stopped US. Wild Weasel up your SAM, Stan.
No worries, Abby. Mighty NATO will repel them! If we can re-deploy enuff troops from Africa, the Mideast, S Korea, and Japan. Go NATO! Pay to play, s'il vous plait!
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Frankly, I am shocked that what has come out isn't more damaging. An employee at her husband's charity tried to get a meeting between a donor and an ambassador--and the meeting didn't happen? The Chair of the DNC saying that Bernie wasn't going to win--which just about everyone agreed with her? These don't seem to be really big shockers. I think if someone read my emails there would be more embarrassing stuff (though also nothing illegal). I don't believe any of this should be stolen or any of this stolen information should be published. But, even so, where's the beef? There has got to be more damaging stuff somewhere. It makes it seem that these people are the cleanest politicians that ever existed. The material released is boring.
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In New Jersey we called it Payola, or pay-to-play. That's how US Attorney Christie was able to convict over 210 perps, dozens of them Democrat politicians, e.g., Jim Traffinger, the Essex County (Newark) Executive. Mayor of Passiac, Mayor of Trenton, 2 Mayors of Atlantic City, many others busted. See "American Hustle" movie and episode "The Mayor [Matthews] and the Mob" with Bill Kurtis on A&E. Pay-as-U-go.
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of course its not shocking, of course its boring, we have come to expect the two faced rhetoric and the hypocrisy in their speeches when the nightly news spoon feeds it to us, and then you admit that all of this is the norm to you, that you knew this all along, this is the game, well, so that's where we've arrived, we now accept without drama that the speeches of unity and fairness and equity are a lie, we accept that no one but hillary was going to win the nomination, so they make her compete with a cypher and an aging socialist....we accept without alarm or drama that the more you donate to hillary the more access and coveted position you are awarded......I'm too scared to ask what would shock you. You seem to have a secure knowledge of the level of honestly and nature of these people. What would shock us?
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The long and short of it: We are becoming inured to the Dynasty's cellular venality, the grasping, the purloined White House items ($147,000 worth) we had to negotiate to get returned, and so on. Get this: Methodist Mrs. Clinton in Little Rock deducted $1.00 per each pair of Bill's underwear (!) donated to Goodwill there. It's on their tax returns.
"Thrift, Horatio, thrift! The funeral baked meats did coldly furnish forth the marriage table."
"Thrift, Horatio, thrift! The funeral baked meats did coldly furnish forth the marriage table."
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is it conceivable that Sanders campaign hacked DNC servers just as they did in December when they 'stole' mailing list on Hillary campaign servers and leaked them to WikiLeaks? Could it be that the DNC analyst who was killed in cold blood in DC a few days ago leaked it to Assange?
Russia is a straw man that Hillary and Obama's DOJ created to distract from the scandal that this matter is becoming. Looks like Hillary and Email are not compatible bedfellows
Russia is a straw man that Hillary and Obama's DOJ created to distract from the scandal that this matter is becoming. Looks like Hillary and Email are not compatible bedfellows
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"Could it be that the DNC analyst who was killed in cold blood in DC a few days ago leaked it to Assange?"
I have a feeling that we'll find out in the coming months. I suspect his source is from more than one person. Assange strikes me as the kind person that doesn't put all his eggs in one basket.
I have a feeling that we'll find out in the coming months. I suspect his source is from more than one person. Assange strikes me as the kind person that doesn't put all his eggs in one basket.
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Too bad the leaks didn't occur a few months ago, when they might have helped the Sanders campaign.
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Un-American.
It was clear Bernie could not win from the moment he announced, and the voting throughout the primary supports this perspective. The emails released so far wouldn't have changed a thing.
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Classic NYT: "...eager for Mrs. Clinton to win the nomination over Senator Bernie Sanders". "Eager" - what a word choice! Who can fault eagerness?
But this is not about gumption. We are talking about the election of the United States president possibly being thrown here.
But this is not about gumption. We are talking about the election of the United States president possibly being thrown here.
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You really think that would have prevented the country from finally realizing that Trump was a narcissisic mountebank who is unfit to be President? No, I doubt if these DNC emails would have "thrown" the election!
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Curious logic, santa monica. Something Whitey Bulger might say, perched on a bench on the esplanade with his amanuensis.
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One cannot be a mountebank, or a popinjay, or a martinet, or a British pundit, without being a Narcissist, of course. Like 2x Democrat Pres. candidate, Sen. John Edwards. "Daddy!"
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Hillary needs to enroll in LifeLock, this has gone on long enough.
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Trump "Jokes"
#1
February 1, 2016 - "There might be someone with tomatoes in the audience. If you see them, knock the crap out of them."
March 10, 2016 - Man at Trump rally punches a black protester in the face later saying, "The next time we see him, we might have to kill him."
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Jul 27, 2016 - “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Jul 29, 2016 - Russian intelligence agency compromises private email accounts of more than 100 Democratic Party officials and groups.
#3
August 9, 2016 - "Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."
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It does not matter if you think Trump is just joking, or meant something else. His "jokes" and misinterpretations have consequences. Explain to me again how dangerous 4 years of Clinton would be.
One "joke" about WMDs and this man could end the world.
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February 1, 2016 - "There might be someone with tomatoes in the audience. If you see them, knock the crap out of them."
March 10, 2016 - Man at Trump rally punches a black protester in the face later saying, "The next time we see him, we might have to kill him."
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Jul 27, 2016 - “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Jul 29, 2016 - Russian intelligence agency compromises private email accounts of more than 100 Democratic Party officials and groups.
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August 9, 2016 - "Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."
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It does not matter if you think Trump is just joking, or meant something else. His "jokes" and misinterpretations have consequences. Explain to me again how dangerous 4 years of Clinton would be.
One "joke" about WMDs and this man could end the world.
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You are misquoting Trump.
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Misquoting Trump? I saw the videos on youtube, all of those words were spoken by Trump and the jerk repeats himself so often they were actually spoken more than once!
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If the Russians could hack the DNC, servers, they could easily have hacked Hillary's home-brew set up. If that were proved, she would be in an awkward position, since she's claimed otherwise. At this point, her campaign couldn't take another blatant lie being revealed to the American people, who already distrust her. She'd most certainly have to withdraw from the race. Maybe that's why the NY Times is focused on the who, not the what, of the hacking story.
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You clearly revel in the idea of our #1 enemy hacking another American so you can feel justified for your years of hatred of her.
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Yup, the Democrats are most definitely the party of war now. The Russians, our number one enemy, why, because they kicked out rear end in Syria and Ukraine.
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Our #1 enemy is not Russia. It's China. And as before, they are Russian's enemy, too.
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Question. Did the Russians (probably) or whoever also hack the GOP? If so why are its internal musings not being made public. Perhaps Mr. Assange knows. Or if the GOP was not, why not?
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Eleanor,
Your comment is really a piece of art.
You set it up with a fictional,speculative question, then you assume the fiction is fact, and then you demand to know why the whistleblower hasn't published the fiction as fact.
Truly amazing, Eleanor. Keep it coming.
Your comment is really a piece of art.
You set it up with a fictional,speculative question, then you assume the fiction is fact, and then you demand to know why the whistleblower hasn't published the fiction as fact.
Truly amazing, Eleanor. Keep it coming.
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Anna: it's called "a Narrative." Pilate asked, "What is Truth?" Claudia replied, "Well, if you pay $25 extra in your DNC donation, we'll Narrate the preferred Truth for you. Like Marilyn Mosby and Mike Nifong did, the noblest Romans of all."
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If the Russians are trying to damage the Democrats maybe that ought to tell everybody who they're backing.
Owning a tech company and knowing what I know it would be far easier to hack Republicans than Democrats.
Owning a tech company and knowing what I know it would be far easier to hack Republicans than Democrats.
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According to Assange, it wasn't the Russians.
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Why should we EVER believe that criminal?
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No, accordion to Assange, he never reveals his sources, but will try to twist them to benefit his aim. The guy's screwy!
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Not so sure he IS a criminal.
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I think the first order of business for the new Democratic Congress in January should be a thorough, years-long investigation into the apparent GOP collaboration with Russia in the hacking of the Dems. Maybe we can run 6-8 such investigations at the same time and keep Trump and Priebus busy testifying.
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Sounds like you're a real patriot, Larry.
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I understand your anger Larry however I do home other things are accomplished. I'm thinking more in the lines on getting a liberal judge on the bench. Getting these police shootings under control hopefully with Government oversight. Getting the economy under control would be nice too.
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Remember all those times the Patriot Act was the outrage-du-jour in these Comments? Winston Smith of "Oceania" freely offered that he'd wet his pants when he mistook the UPS lady for a Federal agent with a subpoena for Winnie having misdialed an order to Domino's and got the Ecuadorean embassy instead, just 4 days prior.
Comrade Ed Snowden was the Democrats' best boy in those heady days. If "a coward dies a thousand deaths," surely a cowardly defector dies 1001 deaths. Now Ed and Julian and their big brother, Vladimir, dole out pinocchio's in triplicate to the world press if and when they choose. Vladi and Julian have a personal animus against Obama, Hillary, and Bill. Once again, communards, "The whole world is watching!"
Comrade Ed Snowden was the Democrats' best boy in those heady days. If "a coward dies a thousand deaths," surely a cowardly defector dies 1001 deaths. Now Ed and Julian and their big brother, Vladimir, dole out pinocchio's in triplicate to the world press if and when they choose. Vladi and Julian have a personal animus against Obama, Hillary, and Bill. Once again, communards, "The whole world is watching!"
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@Charles: "Comrade Ed Snowden was the Democrats' best boy in those heady days."
Funny. I don't recall Hillary ever saying that.
Funny. I don't recall Hillary ever saying that.
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Funny, I didn't say she did. Else I would pasted the quote. Cheerio!
Time after time the same comments relating to the candidates. Fair enough but stick to the purpose of the article under discussion. This is a about hacking not about the merits or de-merits of a particular candidate.
And remember, if you stay away and do not vote for "A", you are enabling the possible election of "B".
And remember, if you stay away and do not vote for "A", you are enabling the possible election of "B".
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Vote for whom you prefer, or do not vote at all. No casuistry needed to claim who is #1 by inference only.
"Russian" cyberattack on DNC? Hold on there. Has this been proven, proven at all? This "Russian" cyberattack was first so called by Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, as I recall from the earliest reporting. Unnamed "government" officials later agreed it was probably Russians. But nothing, nothing has been proven whatsoever. Be careful how you fling those words around in your headline, subhead, and lead. Sounds to me more like the latest in agenda-driven brainwashing by mainstream media: instead of focusing on the real news--the DNC's crooked Watergate-like efforts to mess with a democratic campaign process--the NYT swiftly and not-so-subtly diverts to an unproven Russian connection. This newspaper has become a real rag. Nothing but Hillary propaganda, day after day after day. Shameful. And these are the "Democrats."
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Perhaps if Fox News said it: "A potential Russian connection to the politically explosive hack of Democratic National Committee files is becoming clearer, with a former senior intelligence official who ran computer security for the Defense Intelligence Agency telling Fox News the hackers left behind evidence on the servers that points to sophisticated techniques associated with the country." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/26/russian-ties-ex-intel-officia...
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What bothers me most about WIKI Leaks so called transparency, is bringing the truth to light only against the Dems. Where are emails bringing equal transparency to the Republicans? If you want to expose our political system do it to both parties equally or don't do it at all.
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The leak apparently has access to democrat files but not Republican files. Hmm...Communist Party USA is supporting Hillary Clinton, perhaps they would know.
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Julian Assange has chosen sides this time. He's spent 4 years as a virtual prisoner of Guatemala because President Obama wants him brought to justice. If Assange is helping the GOP, perhaps he already has an agreement in place with the GOP to be set free (a la Reagan/Bush agreement with Iran for the American Embassy prisoners when Carter was President).
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The founder has already said that he's gunning for Hillary on policy and personal grounds. WikiLeaks lost my respect with releasing the Sony hack. When a foreign government is attacking the U.S. their compliance in releasing the information borders on treason.
WikiLeaks is not a non-partisan organization. They have clear bias about what they chose to report and release. It wouldn't surprise me to find out they collude with hackers. Why the media treats them like some kind of legal source of information is beyond me.
WikiLeaks is not a non-partisan organization. They have clear bias about what they chose to report and release. It wouldn't surprise me to find out they collude with hackers. Why the media treats them like some kind of legal source of information is beyond me.
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It appears that the media has completely given up even considering whether leaked emails and other documents should be published. Rather it now appears to be encouraging hacking as it will publish anything so long as it appears "newsworthy". While I recognize that this is a complex issues (such as, is there a difference between the illegally stolen Pentagon Papers/the NSA documents leaked by Snowden vs. emails obtained through illegal hacks; what is the public's right to know once the material has been released), we all seem to just accept that all hacked/stolen documents should just be published now. I would be very interested to see how Donald Trump and others react if the IRS is hacked and his tax records released.
Does prove the old adage - if you would not want to see something you wrote in the headlines of the NYTimes, do put it in an email.
Does prove the old adage - if you would not want to see something you wrote in the headlines of the NYTimes, do put it in an email.
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I hope that they publish more of Billary's Email, as well as the garbage being sent by big Dems.
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Assange and Wikileaks can hack anybody they want to, but it won't matter. Hillary is still going go be president, and then she's coming after him and them any way she can think of.
It's not smart to antagonize Mean Mommy.
It's not smart to antagonize Mean Mommy.
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Laguna Greg,
just a small detail: Assange and Wikileaks do not hack.
They publish documents that are sent to them by hackers.
But you are right; Hillary will most definitely go after Assange..
just a small detail: Assange and Wikileaks do not hack.
They publish documents that are sent to them by hackers.
But you are right; Hillary will most definitely go after Assange..
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Darling Anna, it is naive to the point of being patently disingenuous to think that Assange and his people do not collude with hackers. He certainly does now if he did not do it in the past.
Hillary and many people think of Assange as a major security threat. She's going to either force his extradition one way or another or have him assassinated, and I think she always was. Assange is very clear about this, so I can understand why he wants to derail her election.
As far as Putin goes, he's pretty sure Hillary will give him trouble in Eastern Europe if he puts a toe out of line. And he's right. Donald owes Russian banks far too much money not to do whatever Putin tells him to.
Hillary and many people think of Assange as a major security threat. She's going to either force his extradition one way or another or have him assassinated, and I think she always was. Assange is very clear about this, so I can understand why he wants to derail her election.
As far as Putin goes, he's pretty sure Hillary will give him trouble in Eastern Europe if he puts a toe out of line. And he's right. Donald owes Russian banks far too much money not to do whatever Putin tells him to.
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It appears that this story has done a fine job eliciting a Pavlovian response from the ever-hopeful Jill Stein crowd, from the bizarro alternative reality universe where Trump supporters wallow in a right wing echo chamber, and from those afflicted with Clinton Derangement Syndrome and its attendant 25-year old conspiracy theories.
Yep. Those emails are so much worse than a major party candidate claiming that the President of the United States is the founder of ISIS.
Yep. Those emails are so much worse than a major party candidate claiming that the President of the United States is the founder of ISIS.
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What is the source of Russian involvement? It seems we're back to the McCarthy period where the Russians were seen plotting everywhere . Let's have more facts, less ideological assertions.
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Had you made it past the first 3-4 paragraphs before registering your opinion, you would have seen who the sources were.
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Sources- Clinton's campaign director, the CIA? No evidence given by these folks. Again , we have mere ideological assertions. Hillary plays the Russian card to keep people from looking at the damaging contents of her emails.
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Para 5 goes into detail about a former Democrat sun god named Alger Hiss, and his WASP'y Ford Foundation. Are there any pumpkin patches in Chappaqua, btw? To bear "Witness" to?
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It would be interesting to know what percentage of commenters here could be traced as having some connection with this incredible lack of discipline by the democrat party. It is a big tent!
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Democrats tend not to feel that what they do needs to be hidden.
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My recollection is the RNC have had to dump workers for their insanely racist emails. Imagine what else they are "hiding."
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Hail Freedonia!
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There is no proof for the assertion that it was the Russians that hacked the DNC as this article states. Assange has said that it wasn't and that anyone that claims to know for sure is a liar. The actual evidence points to a DNC insider or perhaps the NSA. Of course those types of associates of Clinton Crime Inc. don't stay upright for very long before they get a sudden case of Arkancide.
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Why this defense if the indefensible? I have to ask what time it is, because this statement is pure Russian.
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Abby- please to speak English?
I can't understand your comment- you are missing verbs and coherency.
I can't understand your comment- you are missing verbs and coherency.
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The interview I saw on PBS he didn't quite deny that the Russians were the source - he made cute and said his source was Ms Wasserman. Curious about your source that it was the NSA or DNC insider. There appear to a number of outlets including Fox news that say it was very, very likely Russians who hacked the DNC. Nor would I be surprised - I am sure our intelligence agencies are probably doing the same thing. We after all were spying on the German Chancellor. The question as to whether there was a hack by the Russians or if there were another source independent of the hack may be a legitimate question - this seems to be what Assange is suggesting. Then there is the merits of the emails - which I don't find surprising in the least.
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The Hillary media manipulation continues. Sure the Democrats engineered a fraudulent election and their own emails prove it, but let's get outraged at the Russians who have not been proven to be implicated in anything.
This former Democrat of 26 years chooses to fight political corruption, not support it. Hillary fans need to take a sober look in the mirror. BTW, the DNC owes Bernie's supporters about $230 million for donations to a fixed contest that could not be won. #JillnotHill
This former Democrat of 26 years chooses to fight political corruption, not support it. Hillary fans need to take a sober look in the mirror. BTW, the DNC owes Bernie's supporters about $230 million for donations to a fixed contest that could not be won. #JillnotHill
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Bernie was a fraudulent Democrat betting that the Republicans would trump up an indictment of Hillary for some kind of security breach.
Bernie is by several orders of magnitude more democratic than the lying corporate shill that the DNC broke election laws to install in office. You're either on Hill's payroll or practicing willful ignorance.
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Who's ready to put their personal information in "the cloud"? Every e-mail, every Facebook post and every tweet is out there forever just waiting for someone to grab it. The sooner we learn that, the better.
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The sooner someone sues the shite out of our own providers for handing our security over to homegrown hacks, the sooner we will enjoy encrypted security.
I hope we get this fixed before Toby drops dead. Personally, I am not served by this system unless I get a personal server. How about it, Hillary?
I hope we get this fixed before Toby drops dead. Personally, I am not served by this system unless I get a personal server. How about it, Hillary?
In the hierarchy of Things That Concern Me, said cloud is just below Humidity, but above the Ozone Index.
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Is there any evidence that the Russian government was involved? All I see is fact-free conjecture but I guess that is how the powers that be "create our own reality" to quote an unnamed Bush aide.
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Really imported for you to need Russia stain free. Or do you only abhor speculation? Talk to Trump about dat.
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Read past the first few paras and there you are!!
The reality is if you have communications on the internet, they can be hacked. It's completely foolish for political officials to say certain things in unencrypted emails and think it will never come back to haunt them.
The Democrats would be angry about this regardless of who is releasing the emails. It has less to do with Assange and more to do about the emails which will be released.
The Democrats would be angry about this regardless of who is releasing the emails. It has less to do with Assange and more to do about the emails which will be released.
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Most of us already made up our minds who we want to vote in November based on our own principles and convictions . Unless Hilary Clinton tried to incite people to kill Donald Trump or sell America to Russia, let us not raise a blood pressure even one point about the future emails.
Exactly. We can carry out any necessary impeachments after Democrats have been safely elected.
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It's been several years since the first government hacks. Why don'e we have uniform industry standards in place by now?
We can be sure that President Clinton, having been burned, will act to make cybersecurity a government priority.
We can be sure that President Clinton, having been burned, will act to make cybersecurity a government priority.
It is both confounding and galling that this is not the most predominant news story for weeks now. With all the meaningless buzzing to generate 24-hour news cycles, espionage and treason should be front and center (although encouragement of assassination is up there as well). I commend the NYT for going after this apparent Russian infiltration into our election. Nothing from the RNC/ GOP was hacked or released. The hackers were determined to be from Russia. Trump and his cabal of "advisors" apparently seem to have many ties and much to gain from advancing Russian interests. Putin's kind words about Trump. Connect the dots. This is electronic Watergate as it seemed from day one. Wikileaks' heinous role in this equation is equally disturbing and blackens their name as any notion of acting for the greater good here is ludicrous.
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At this point there is nothing much that Assange can do to hurt Hillarys bid for the white house. Hillary or Obama has been no friend to whistle-blowers. We need whistle-blowers. They used to be protected believe it or not. Assange is doing us a favor by overturning the rocks and exposing that which needs the sun. It is what it is. If Assange hurts Hillary it is because Hillary works in a way that is sun-damaging.
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Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party operatives know what is in their emails and they should know whether there is reason to be worried of the release of said emails.
As far as I am concerned, everyone should be operating under the assumption that the most potentially inflammatory of any of the emails has been seen by an unintended party--remembering of course that any email ends up being saved in at least two different places--and they should plan and act accordingly.
As much as it pains me to say it, I so fear the potential of a Donald Trump presidency that if there ends up being a so-called "October Surprise" that swings the election, then we will have seen the ultimate proof that Hillary was operating with personal interests placed well above the interests of the country. I pray that this does not come to pass.
As far as I am concerned, everyone should be operating under the assumption that the most potentially inflammatory of any of the emails has been seen by an unintended party--remembering of course that any email ends up being saved in at least two different places--and they should plan and act accordingly.
As much as it pains me to say it, I so fear the potential of a Donald Trump presidency that if there ends up being a so-called "October Surprise" that swings the election, then we will have seen the ultimate proof that Hillary was operating with personal interests placed well above the interests of the country. I pray that this does not come to pass.
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We are at the point, where majority policy makers, who have worked in both the Obama and Bush Administrations, want nothing to do with either candidate running for President. They are opposing both candidates for policy reasons or the belief that neither candidate is fit to be President. This is all we need to know about the state of affairs in our American presidential politics today.
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I am not sure what "majority policy makers" means but most lawmakers and others have said repeatedly that Clinton has the skills needed to be president.
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It's ironic that many of the people cheering on this wholesale malevolent breach of privacy were apoplectic at the thought that the US government was collecting (though not apparently using and certainly not disclosing) data. If those folks were so sensitive about the potential for disclosure why doesn't this cause concern? Isn't this what you were afraid of? Is it okay because its Russia and not the US? Some serious confusion here.
Also -- the DNC breech showed very little, not a malicious malevolent conspiracy. It showed some reactive anger to Sanders and it showed certain party members anxious to end a race when it became clear that a candidate had no real path to victory. Were they wrong? I guess so, but I can see where they were coming from. But no, not a massive conspiracy. In fact it's pretty amazing how little the Russians and Assange got.
Also -- the DNC breech showed very little, not a malicious malevolent conspiracy. It showed some reactive anger to Sanders and it showed certain party members anxious to end a race when it became clear that a candidate had no real path to victory. Were they wrong? I guess so, but I can see where they were coming from. But no, not a massive conspiracy. In fact it's pretty amazing how little the Russians and Assange got.
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Sophie, you will feel pretty bad when it comes out that the actual hacker was in the DNC itself. The truth will come out but it might not be reported in the mainstream press.
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And you know this how? Pray tell!
It's pretty much safe to assume that everything on Ms. Clinton's personal email server, which she used for much of her government business while Secretary of State, was hacked as well.
So much for the national security.
But, hey, husband Bill Clinton had a private meeting with Attorney General Lynch, just as the government was deciding not to prosecute. That's the way things work if your last name is "Clinton."
So much for the national security.
But, hey, husband Bill Clinton had a private meeting with Attorney General Lynch, just as the government was deciding not to prosecute. That's the way things work if your last name is "Clinton."
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Uh, it wasn't the AG who decided not to prosecute -- it was a GOP FBI director and the AG merely accepted his recommendation. You got it all mixed up, but that probably won't stop you.
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Larry, remember when the King of Morris County was named..... Chris Christie? What went wrong?
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Larry, Alex is right:
Comey can only recommend, but to actually indict has to be done by the D of J.
YOU got it all mixed up but that probably won't stop you.
Comey can only recommend, but to actually indict has to be done by the D of J.
YOU got it all mixed up but that probably won't stop you.
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Watergate defined the Republican Party for a generation as cheats and was viewed as reprehensible. This illegal breach pales in comparison. The fact that Russia is involved and has not been condemned by Trump or the GOP and that Assange has specifically said that he wants to release emails to hurt the Democrats should be a rallying call for every true American. Anyone a foreign national and the government of Russia dislikes should be given a fair hearing as they are more likely to represent democracy over plutocracy and foreign manipulation.
All those alleged Republican patriots seem to only be patriotic when it is to there benefit. Time to step up, soundly condemn what has been done, and prosecute the parties like WikiLeaks by shutting them down. It would be interesting to see what else it has done that is illegal.
All those alleged Republican patriots seem to only be patriotic when it is to there benefit. Time to step up, soundly condemn what has been done, and prosecute the parties like WikiLeaks by shutting them down. It would be interesting to see what else it has done that is illegal.
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Watergate defined the Republican Party for a generation as cheats and was viewed as reprehensible.
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A generation = 33 years. But Whitewater and TravelGate and Vince Foster Jr.'s suicide and MonicaGate took the baton from the RNC starting about 10 yrs after Watergate. "Depends what 'generation' is," right?
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A generation = 33 years. But Whitewater and TravelGate and Vince Foster Jr.'s suicide and MonicaGate took the baton from the RNC starting about 10 yrs after Watergate. "Depends what 'generation' is," right?
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How was MonicaGate a case of political sabotage? Or any of your other examples, which btw despite the Republican parties best efforts and millions of dollars never found anything other than Monica.
Has anyone raised the issue of disinformation? Is it possible that any hacked internal emails that are released could have been manipulated or fabricated to make a benign communication seem sinister? I don't have the technical expertise to suggest an answer, but wonder if someone can offer informed insight into whether any newly released material should automatically be assumed to be true.
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Thanks for the article. However, I wish the article had included information about the adequacy of the security measures the various Democratic organizations had taken and the steps (if any) they are taking to improve security. I recall reading that some computer security experts had warned the DCCC about security deficiencies and how to fix them, but that the DCCC didn't implement the fixes.
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While it would be nice if the Democrats system had been more secure, I see to much blaming the victim here. The fact is its hard to completely protect a system against determined hackers. Do you also blame the DNC for not having secure enough locks on the Watergate hotel when Nixon's people broke in?
I recall reading that some computer security experts had warned the DCCC
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That was the Federal Bureau of Investigation, in two (2) visits to Hillary's Crooklyn campaign HQ. [Spike Lee = "Crooklyn," and "Chi-Raq."] Her paranoiac lawyers waved the FBI off.
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That was the Federal Bureau of Investigation, in two (2) visits to Hillary's Crooklyn campaign HQ. [Spike Lee = "Crooklyn," and "Chi-Raq."] Her paranoiac lawyers waved the FBI off.
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While it is a pity that China and Russia do not have any moral or ethical scruples, a prudent approach can be to assail their electronic infrastructures with clandestine and ruthless precision, and then to ask questions later, as in the gunfights at OK corral.
One wishes to see their computer communications crumble like either a pack of cards or cookies. The US healthcare records and military installations have been allegedly hacked by these nefarious nations, and they ought to pay the price very early and dearly.
They understand treason much better than reason. It may still be a moot point if ever they will reform their ways or not. But, the time to act is now!
One wishes to see their computer communications crumble like either a pack of cards or cookies. The US healthcare records and military installations have been allegedly hacked by these nefarious nations, and they ought to pay the price very early and dearly.
They understand treason much better than reason. It may still be a moot point if ever they will reform their ways or not. But, the time to act is now!
My hope for the Democratic Party, and the nation at large, is that as a result of her colossal failure as DNC chairman including her collusion in turning the DNC into an arm of the Clinton campaign, Debbie Wasserman Schultz will withdraw from her race to retain her House seat and move on to whatever rich reward awaits her for her service to the Democratic nominee.
I'm not holding my breath but that is my hope.
I'm not holding my breath but that is my hope.
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I hope they release all the emails. Anything that helps expose and bring down the corrupt power centers of the establishment is a good thing.
Dig up stuff on all of them: Democrats, Republicans, appointees, regulators.
Dig up stuff on all of them: Democrats, Republicans, appointees, regulators.
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This, like Watergate, is a break-in at the DNC. Physical or cyber break-in isn't much difference. Except this time, the Republicans seem to be celebrating if not encouraging it. The only concern among too many of them seems to be "what did they get" in the break-in.
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It appears that the management of IT infrastructure in Democratic (and perhaps other) organizations is very poor. So it's quite possible that more than one group were able to hack it. Thus blaming Russia is premature. They could have been performing their regular spying (routinely done by NSA too). At the same time the same servers could have been hacked by other player which provided data to WikiLeaks. US government is doing the right thing not rushing with official conclusions here.
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So, the Russian FSB is too skilled to leave evidence of hacking into Clinton's private email server, but leaves enough evidence behind in the DNC hack to be fingered as the one by US intel agencies?
Methinks someone isn't being consistent in analysis--or telling the truth. I still think the US intel agencies are ticked that Clinton got away with numerous Espionage Act violations and are doing something about it.
Good for them. Hope they keep it up and remember their oath to our Constitution.
Methinks someone isn't being consistent in analysis--or telling the truth. I still think the US intel agencies are ticked that Clinton got away with numerous Espionage Act violations and are doing something about it.
Good for them. Hope they keep it up and remember their oath to our Constitution.
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Same gaming station blew up a Ukraine power station. Are you tuned in or just Russian?
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Hmmmmm. Those of us in the 60yrs old age range can think back to RMNixon and the debacle of breaking the law...something finally Hillary is proving herself to possess as a skill.
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How stupid -- she ain't hacking her own servers Chuckie.
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Larry, this may be exactly what happened.
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Larry is hard-pressed to explain Whitewater, Travelgate, MonicaGate, and Perjured Bill's Impeachment. Give it a shot, Lar.
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“FBI director James Comey has said previously that hackers have tried to gain access into Clinton’s private server, and that they may have been skilled enough to leave no trace of a successful hack. The FBI also said that there is no evidence at this point that the hack extended to the emails of members of Congress or staff members of the intelligence committees.”
Do these people ever listen to themselves? Hackers ‘skilled enough’ to leave no trace of a hack in ONE place, but not the others?
Do these people ever listen to themselves? Hackers ‘skilled enough’ to leave no trace of a hack in ONE place, but not the others?
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64 gigabyte thumb drives sell for less than $15 these days.
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So when is Obama going to issue a statement on this?
The Republicans are trying SO hard to find a smoking gun on Hilary; there is none. Allowing these hacks to go unanswered for hope that a foreign power will illegally provide you with information to discredit an opponent you yourself cannot is the definition of brainless and spineless.
You let Trump and the crazies in, he's yours to clean up after. We'll take it from here.
The Republicans are trying SO hard to find a smoking gun on Hilary; there is none. Allowing these hacks to go unanswered for hope that a foreign power will illegally provide you with information to discredit an opponent you yourself cannot is the definition of brainless and spineless.
You let Trump and the crazies in, he's yours to clean up after. We'll take it from here.
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I'd point out a few things to the chortlers:
1. For the first time, a foreign country has been breaking into the private accounts of ONE political party and handing over the results to a private party that has no checks at all on what it does with the info.
2. The purpose of the break-ins seems pretty clear: warping the Presidential election.
3. So far, there's no evidence of criminal activity. Just embarassing stuff. Whistleblowing means taking evidence of criminal activity to the cops, not embarassing the boss.
4. It is not possible to conduct negotiations or do business with EVERYTHING out in the public eye. Among other concerns, you shut down everybody's ability to speak honestly. If you think I'm wrong, go through YOUR e-mails: want EVERYTHING out in the open, do you?
5. The more I see of Jill Stein--and a number of her supporters seem to be chortling today--the less I'd vote for her. And I'm a democratic socialist, myself.
The anti-vaxx, the unscience on GMO and fracking, the hallucinatory "ideas," on energy and economics (just stop drilling right now, okay?), the crazy foreign policy (if we just ask North Korea NICELY...), and above all the arrogance--well, this is how fake leftists create Venezuela. Not to mention that Cornel West needs to stop already with the cheap Frederic Douglass imitation and the shouting.
I'd rather lead apes in Hell.
1. For the first time, a foreign country has been breaking into the private accounts of ONE political party and handing over the results to a private party that has no checks at all on what it does with the info.
2. The purpose of the break-ins seems pretty clear: warping the Presidential election.
3. So far, there's no evidence of criminal activity. Just embarassing stuff. Whistleblowing means taking evidence of criminal activity to the cops, not embarassing the boss.
4. It is not possible to conduct negotiations or do business with EVERYTHING out in the public eye. Among other concerns, you shut down everybody's ability to speak honestly. If you think I'm wrong, go through YOUR e-mails: want EVERYTHING out in the open, do you?
5. The more I see of Jill Stein--and a number of her supporters seem to be chortling today--the less I'd vote for her. And I'm a democratic socialist, myself.
The anti-vaxx, the unscience on GMO and fracking, the hallucinatory "ideas," on energy and economics (just stop drilling right now, okay?), the crazy foreign policy (if we just ask North Korea NICELY...), and above all the arrogance--well, this is how fake leftists create Venezuela. Not to mention that Cornel West needs to stop already with the cheap Frederic Douglass imitation and the shouting.
I'd rather lead apes in Hell.
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If you're really a "democratic socialist" how can you even think of voting for Clinton?
~chortle
~chortle
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I'd rather lead apes in Hell.
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Assumes there is a Hell, which 90% of Democrat commenters here strenuously deny, for obvious reasons.
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Assumes there is a Hell, which 90% of Democrat commenters here strenuously deny, for obvious reasons.
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I am saddened by the number of commenters here who place no value on privacy. As the first sentence of this story states, the accounts that were breached were private email accounts and the holders of these accounts are fully entitled to keep these emails confidential. Anyone who says that they are not troubled by the Russians breaking into these accounts, should consider how they would feel about having their own private emails publically exposed.
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Whoever broke into the accounts probably wants you to think somebody else did it.
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It is one thing to communicate freely on personal email yet when hired by an employer, it is VERY common that ALL communication phone and electronic (used through the employer's server) will be subject to monitoring.
When I went to work for the Feds and even after I left such documents were signed upon being hired. Use of personal email while working have dictated my need to remain "politically correct" at all times and not open/share/forward email I know contain inappropriate jokes, pics, memes, etc. This is a matter of being personally responsible AND accountable for one's behavior.
When I went to work for the Feds and even after I left such documents were signed upon being hired. Use of personal email while working have dictated my need to remain "politically correct" at all times and not open/share/forward email I know contain inappropriate jokes, pics, memes, etc. This is a matter of being personally responsible AND accountable for one's behavior.
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We don't know which accounts were breached - when the article states that it was "more than 100 party officials and groups," the reference to officials could well include individual's personal accounts. I agree that people should behave responsibly when communicating through work emails. But whether they behave responsibly or not, foreign infiltration of emails for the purpose of influencing U.S political campaigns should be seen as being at least as unacceptable as if the U.S. government did it.
I always wondered how duhdonald could, by himself, come up with the perfect voter target group upon which to build his campaign. All by himself, it would seem!
Truth?
Well, let's just pretend that Putin forwarded by accident to duhdonald by accident the Hillary campaign's own analyses of the voter segments, which pointed out, of course, both strengths and weaknesses. My, MY! he was suddenly so smart! Took the GOP by storm! All by his LONESOME!
And then, he had an epiphany and realized his truth friend was named Putin! Oh please, if your listening, send me more of all that good stuff you stole! Or did it happen this way.
"Comrade", whispered someone, hat pulled low over his/hers eyes as they met up with dudonald's through a tiny crack in duhdonald's limo, "a present for a future President from another," upon which he/she winked and vanish, leaving a sheaf of papers on duhdonald's lap...
Where have you gone, Joe Demaggio? Joltin' Joe has left and gone away, hey-hey-hey...
Truth?
Well, let's just pretend that Putin forwarded by accident to duhdonald by accident the Hillary campaign's own analyses of the voter segments, which pointed out, of course, both strengths and weaknesses. My, MY! he was suddenly so smart! Took the GOP by storm! All by his LONESOME!
And then, he had an epiphany and realized his truth friend was named Putin! Oh please, if your listening, send me more of all that good stuff you stole! Or did it happen this way.
"Comrade", whispered someone, hat pulled low over his/hers eyes as they met up with dudonald's through a tiny crack in duhdonald's limo, "a present for a future President from another," upon which he/she winked and vanish, leaving a sheaf of papers on duhdonald's lap...
Where have you gone, Joe Demaggio? Joltin' Joe has left and gone away, hey-hey-hey...
One must hope that law enforcement is seriously investigating whether information gained in these hacks has been provided to the other candidate's campaign. It seems a very real possibility, and would fit the tenor of both the hack and the GOP candidate's character. Of course if it happened it would just be a "sarcastic" incident or a "joke."
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"Democrats have alleged that the Russians are trying to help tilt the election toward the Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump."
No matter what is hacked, if it isn't illegal, unethical or immoral the Dems have nothing to worry about. here is what you won't hear any Dem or left leaning newspaper (NYT) say: "There is nothing in our emails that can help Trump or make the Dems look bad."
No matter what is hacked, if it isn't illegal, unethical or immoral the Dems have nothing to worry about. here is what you won't hear any Dem or left leaning newspaper (NYT) say: "There is nothing in our emails that can help Trump or make the Dems look bad."
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Sounds like you never heard of the word "privacy".
It all depends on what you make of trial balloons.
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If you want privacy stay off the Internet or at least keep the stuff you don't want people to know offline. I would imagine it is a rare person who regularly uses email and browsers who hasn't been hacked. I have had had to change passwords, credit cards and I can't remember what all several times and I am a somewhat impecunious nobody. Seems to be an organization like the DNC and politicians should know better.
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Yeah, where's the proof? It's just more media dog wagging. If the Russians ARE trying to effect a Trump victory in November, they're forgetting one important factor: elections aren't turned with emails, they're turned with voters. And we all know which voting bloc is most likely to be affected by emails...
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Why are Russian hackers attacking Democrats but not Republicans?
I have no experience in the conspiracy-spinning trade, but growing evidence that professional conspirers -- i.e. Russian intelligence -- may be involved in this makes it seem worth an amateur spin. Here goes:
Russia, as Lindsay Graham described it here http://carnegieendowment.org/2015/09/14/just-oil-company-true-extent-of-...... is "an oil and gas company masquerading as a country." The GOP of Trump, Bush, Cruz, Gingrich, etc. -- climate-change-deniers all --is an oil and gas company masquerading as a political party.
So, my hypothesis: They are on the same side.
I have no experience in the conspiracy-spinning trade, but growing evidence that professional conspirers -- i.e. Russian intelligence -- may be involved in this makes it seem worth an amateur spin. Here goes:
Russia, as Lindsay Graham described it here http://carnegieendowment.org/2015/09/14/just-oil-company-true-extent-of-...... is "an oil and gas company masquerading as a country." The GOP of Trump, Bush, Cruz, Gingrich, etc. -- climate-change-deniers all --is an oil and gas company masquerading as a political party.
So, my hypothesis: They are on the same side.
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Because the GOP is inviolable. The DNC is where the crooks reside. Bill & Debbie Boca = the Kray Brothers. Huma and Hillary = Thelma and Louise.
Putin and Assange know that.
Putin and Assange know that.
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This place leaves no doubt that we have met the enemy, and he is us.
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The Little Don is behind all this. According to the Guardian, "Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, helped pro-Russia Viktor Yanukovych refashion his image and win a presidential election in Ukraine in 2010."
Bloomberg News ran an article about the company The Don keeps that said one of his real estate buddies is a man of "Russian descent named Felix Sater. Over the years, Sater had repeatedly drawn the attention of law enforcement officials for, among other things, money laundering, helping organized crime families defraud stock investors, and stabbing a man in the face with the stem of a broken margarita glass."
Hacking e-mails and getting the press to uncritically publicize them is just one more tool in The Don's arsenal. He knows all about being a crook.
Bloomberg News ran an article about the company The Don keeps that said one of his real estate buddies is a man of "Russian descent named Felix Sater. Over the years, Sater had repeatedly drawn the attention of law enforcement officials for, among other things, money laundering, helping organized crime families defraud stock investors, and stabbing a man in the face with the stem of a broken margarita glass."
Hacking e-mails and getting the press to uncritically publicize them is just one more tool in The Don's arsenal. He knows all about being a crook.
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And it is treason.
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Casinos are central to the money-washing business.
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Which explains why Trump would compete against himself in Atlantic City with three casinos. He may have diluted his own company's earnings, but that's three times the skim from the front man!
"The F.B.I. says it has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else."
"A Russian cyberattack that targeted Democratic politicians was bigger than it first appeared..."
So which is it? If there is no proof then why is The New York Times headlining this article as though it's a fact?
The New York Times' focus should be on what the content of the information is rather than speculation upon the unknown source(s) of the information...
How about some The New York Times investigative reporting that does a service to American voters rather than he says she says distraction from the evidence people need to understand?
"A Russian cyberattack that targeted Democratic politicians was bigger than it first appeared..."
So which is it? If there is no proof then why is The New York Times headlining this article as though it's a fact?
The New York Times' focus should be on what the content of the information is rather than speculation upon the unknown source(s) of the information...
How about some The New York Times investigative reporting that does a service to American voters rather than he says she says distraction from the evidence people need to understand?
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There's a difference - 2 different pieces of hardware - between a sort of private email server at the DNC and a sort of private email server in Clinton's bedroom closet.
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Your mixing up servers, but I don't care if the Onieda gets stuck with the Royal Dalton, anymore. Her personal server was never hacked unless someone busted into her basement to hack the wiped thing.
The DNC and other Dem orgs were hacked. But no RNC attacks...imagine for Donald why's that. He's great at side flips.
The DNC and other Dem orgs were hacked. But no RNC attacks...imagine for Donald why's that. He's great at side flips.
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There are two different issues. One is her private email server as Secretary of State. There is NO proof that server was hacked, only conjecture.
The other is the DNC hacking, which the FBI says was hacked by the Russians. And now they are saying the scope of this hacking may be wider than originally thought.
The other is the DNC hacking, which the FBI says was hacked by the Russians. And now they are saying the scope of this hacking may be wider than originally thought.
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Let's be clear, Julian Assange is no free speech martyr. He's avoiding extradition to stand trial for rape and appears to be engaged in malfeasance for unknown political purposes. This is theft, pure and simple, either at the behest of an outside actor or because Mr. Assange is out for revenge. The "reward" for information is a red herring to be consumed by those who already hold the ludicrous idea that the Clintons have some sort of omnipotent scheme to off their enemies. This whole thing is a bad B-movie plot. All I've seen so far is that the DNC hires human beings who write very stupid things in emails, just as every other organization in the world does.
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Kind of reminiscent of Watergate, isn't it?
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Well, Nixon did roll ITT for more money than he needed for his over blown San Diego convention, but that was because he interceded in a criminal case against them. So it was repayment? Imagine Donald in that suite.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/05/22/VI20070522...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/05/22/VI20070522...
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Moles with thumb drives don't need to burglarize.
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No.
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The big gap here is treating an impossible to secure e-mail system as secured. E-mail is never private, ask any security specialist. Or just look at how long it took to break the "secure" copy-protection on DVD's, then Blu-ray's, and soon to follow Ultra HD Blu-ray. If you really need it private try talking to one another.
Of course, no reason to break into the RNC, who could write anything more damaging than what Mr. Trump is energetically stating in public?
Of course, no reason to break into the RNC, who could write anything more damaging than what Mr. Trump is energetically stating in public?
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For those of us who lived through the Watergate scandal, I can't help but think this this the 21st century version of it. But alas, it is even far more insidious and treacherous, with it reaching far beyond our borders. We keep on wanting to point the finger at what goes on within the Democratic Party. It's politics, folks, nothing new here. I personally would like to see what is going on within the RNC, but that won't happen. The Republican powers-that-be are, I believe, far more more corrupt and damaging to our country. Their new egomaniacal leader, Mr. Trump, is just their puppet. What comes out of his mouth is what is within their hearts, or rather minds, since I believe they lack hearts and moral compasses. I do not think that to promote their agenda - which is for themselves - they are above reaching out to their counterpart in Russia, Mr. Putin. They are right down there in the gutter of politics with him and the likes of Wikileaks.
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Ms Lollock, it is necessary to point out it was NOT the RNC who chose to elect Trump as the (R) nominee for the 2016 Presidential election. Yes, it is politics and there many corrupt actors, no doubt. However, deflecting from the issue at hand and attempting to implore the shiny object syndrome is part and parcel of the Democratic talking points.
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Seems to me that the Russians have concluded that if Clinton loses the election in favor of the Donald, Vlad will have a poodle in the white house.
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a pit bull wearing poodle clothing.
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So many disturbing comments comments from the "don't inform us" crowd.
"Let's kill Assange -- we shouldn't know what the powerful are doing in our name"
The two major parties are de facto state parties and we have a right to know what they are up to. Thank you wikileaks.
"Let's kill Assange -- we shouldn't know what the powerful are doing in our name"
The two major parties are de facto state parties and we have a right to know what they are up to. Thank you wikileaks.
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Thank you for that comment. People have mentioned privacy here. I am a big believer in it but I am not, or ever have, run for office. I am not sure how much privacy you are entitled to if you are running for the highest office there is. The candidate is asking us to entrust them with our safety, security and economic well being as representing us in a dignified manner on the world stage. The voter needs to be able to assess the honesty, ability, judgement, integrity and the health of the candidate as well as policies of their platform. The voting public should not be expected to vote for a pig in a poke that the mainstream press is pushing to win.
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When the Trump circus is circling the drain and there is a clear shift in the polls in favor of Clinton suddenly there are more potentially damaging emails that appear. A paid conservative group publishes her emails and now a wider hack of the DNC is reported. Voters need to ignore this noise and look at the real threat a Trump and his children in the White house would be to this country.
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How does one ignore noise when it's blaring from the gasoline pumps while you fill your car? Or walking past 10 large-screen TVs at Best Buy? Or billboard advertisements? Or on TV in the waiting room at the tire shop, or the pharmacy, or the hospital?
If it were only as simple as pick the corrupt incompetent one instead of the insane incompetent one.
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Gary Johnson is your guy, Blue. The least-bad option.
What the heck is going on with the FBI, CIA that we can't protect ourselves from cyber attacks? This is disgusting. Why can't these Silicon Valley folks figure out how to make our emails and websites hacker proof as opposed to figuring out stupid things like pokeman and other useless apps and programs.
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They can't protect people from Robocalls from overseas, you expect them to protect us from emails? The only way to do that is do what China does, prohibit access in or out. You really want that?
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The normal route to rooting out flawed security is to sue somebody. I figure we might as well go after those who sold us out so the NSA could have Sway Inside.
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This Silicon Valley folk prefers things just as they are -- the free hand of the marketplace deciding whom to elect.
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I no longer care. In today's world, emails should be treated like private phone calls, and those obtained illegally should be ignored, just as in our court system.
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Uh, no! Don't Email what you don't want others to know. We used to speak to each other, in case you don't remember. ALL Email is stored somewhere by your server.
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Great, keep your head in the sand.
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So succinct, and yet a blue ribbon committee led us to believe we'd addressed that envelope of telephony. I agree, why are my emails less legally secure than my telephone hook up? It's still OK to hack since the government does it, too? I assume that comforts Putin, as well.
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Look for the dirty hands of Paul Manafort in this.
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Humble advice to Hillary Clinton: get out in front of this. Way out in front of this. Figure out exactly what Assange has and put it out there before he does. Today.
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That's like asking Elizabeth Warren of the Brookline Tribe to take a DNA test to prove her spurious claims to be an Indian maiden. She claims that DNA tests are often flawed, etc. Though it was Hillary's novel application of DNA testing that got the rapist of a 12 yr old girl in Little Rock acquitted by Hillary Rodham, Esq., the state Attorney General's wife, decades ago. One would think DNA was virtually foolproof, by now.
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She can't get out in front, GWC. Far too dangerous for her to try. Look at it this way. She knows what she has to fear but she can't be sure he knows. If she tries to get "out front," as you suggest, supposes she puts forward damaging stuff that he doesn't actually have? And suppose what she fears is that some sensitive material was in fact hacked from her private server? How is she to deal with that?
I bet she's having some sleepless nights...
I bet she's having some sleepless nights...
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Let us not be distracted by who done it. Let us instead focus on the fact that the DNC really did have their thumb on the scales in spite of their continual denial. I suspect Hillary would have still won if it were a fair fight. But it wasn't a fair fight and that is a far bigger problem than who hacked their servers. That said when will someone hack the RNC servers. I'd love to see that. It would be most entertaining watching Paul "throw the poor under the bus" Ryan try to explain their shenanigans.
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What makes you think someone hasn't? Absence of knowledge does not infer knowledge of absence.
That's not what the DNC emails show. They show staffers react to Sander's criticisms (at the time Sanders staff got into Clinton's donor lists) and they show that some staffers were eager to have Sanders out of the race in May when his path was basically closed. I don't think wanting a losing candidate out of the race is "having the thumb on the scales". And I don't think there is any evidence that anything was actually DONE by the DNC even at that stage that impacted Sanders.
And by the way, Russian hacking of one party in our democracy is not a distraction. It's an abomination and its implications are a lot more important than some petty comments by workers in a political party.
And by the way, Russian hacking of one party in our democracy is not a distraction. It's an abomination and its implications are a lot more important than some petty comments by workers in a political party.
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I watched the RNC do everything in their very weak power to stop a megalomaniac speaking for their party. That was baldy played, so what's the grub, beefer?
There is not a single administration official that has come forward publicly to say the Russians were behind this hack. Yet the NYT's continues to push that narrative.
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It appears, in the event of another leaked "revelation," that the media have a clear option.
Since it is unknown whether or not the contents of these hacked e mails was changed, it is incumbent upon the press not to report the substance of the e mails, which surely will be used for nefarious political purposes to distort this election process.
Do your job. The New York Times is not The National Enquirer.
Since it is unknown whether or not the contents of these hacked e mails was changed, it is incumbent upon the press not to report the substance of the e mails, which surely will be used for nefarious political purposes to distort this election process.
Do your job. The New York Times is not The National Enquirer.
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"doing it's job" would lead political reporters to emphasize the substance of the emails, not who the hackers were. I don't care if they were Martians. I do care that they show the DNC giving Clinton unfair advantage. The lesson should be that you can't 'crash the party' and win. In order to lead a movement that favors the 99%, you have to run on a third part ticket.
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Too bad it is not since it was The National Enquirer that broke the JohnnEdwards story.
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It seems that information on any computer that is online is subject to hacking. Here is an article regarding the hacking of the CIA director's email by a teenager.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cracka-teen-hacker-cia-director-john-brennan...
So much is made of Mrs Clinton's private server use. Are the State Department servers any safer?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cracka-teen-hacker-cia-director-john-brennan...
So much is made of Mrs Clinton's private server use. Are the State Department servers any safer?
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Why, is the current Sec of State running for the Presidency?
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The Clintons are by far the greatest grifters ever to get near the White House. Harding and Grant were surrounded by crooks, but weren't crooks themselves. I'm a Bernie Dem who prays fervently that a smoking gun of Watergate proportions confronts the Dem Establishment with the stark choice of supporting a crook on the verge of indictment, thus getting crushed by Trump, or dumping these Clinton shysters once and for all, and beating Trump handily with a Kaine Sherod Brown ticket.
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In 3 months?
The Clintons didn't get near the White House, they were in the White House for 8 years. The rest of your post makes just about as much sense.
And then you woke up and had to pay your student loan debt.
Some of these comments are REALLY rich. It's Trump's fault? It's the RNC's fault?
Sorry dearies, it's the Democrat Elites' fault. Go spin yourself.
The saddest part of all of this is that the American public cannot rely on our media to report on DNC and general Democrat corruption. Our media is complicit in the DNC dirty work.
We have actually entered an era in where, in order to get the FULL story, hackers, Russian or otherwise, or a creepy Julian Assange are spilling the beans on stories that our media should have been responsible for covering.
Why should the democrats be worried about their emails being read in the first place? Every time Debbie Wasserman Schultz slithered up to a microphone, she scowled and growled how evil any Republican was and how every Democrat was kind and caring. Oops! She was forced out of the DNC. Could these emails show that the DNC would go to any length, legal or illegal, to make their ends justify their means?
Isn't it great to read some commenters say "the Russians want Trump so that's proof that Hillary is strong"?
Hmmm. I say if the media hates Trump so much, he is the one who must be the one feared by our left wing cherry-picking news hacks. Come on, media, you've just been exposed by Julian Assange, of all people, that you are inept.
Bring it on, Julian! Creepy as you are, because we cannot trust our own media.
Sorry dearies, it's the Democrat Elites' fault. Go spin yourself.
The saddest part of all of this is that the American public cannot rely on our media to report on DNC and general Democrat corruption. Our media is complicit in the DNC dirty work.
We have actually entered an era in where, in order to get the FULL story, hackers, Russian or otherwise, or a creepy Julian Assange are spilling the beans on stories that our media should have been responsible for covering.
Why should the democrats be worried about their emails being read in the first place? Every time Debbie Wasserman Schultz slithered up to a microphone, she scowled and growled how evil any Republican was and how every Democrat was kind and caring. Oops! She was forced out of the DNC. Could these emails show that the DNC would go to any length, legal or illegal, to make their ends justify their means?
Isn't it great to read some commenters say "the Russians want Trump so that's proof that Hillary is strong"?
Hmmm. I say if the media hates Trump so much, he is the one who must be the one feared by our left wing cherry-picking news hacks. Come on, media, you've just been exposed by Julian Assange, of all people, that you are inept.
Bring it on, Julian! Creepy as you are, because we cannot trust our own media.
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Some of the comments here clearly reflect the computer ignorance of Americas and the lack of knowledge using computer technology; even though almost everyone here is using a computer or a Smart Phone.
This is no black box, if you pay attention to securing your computer, your router, your WIFI and your Smart Phone. And veer use your computer or Smart phone on an unsecured, WIFI network. Which, I also suspect most people posting here are doing just that.
Above all, with security, change your password often and try to use a format like:
XX_5675476_yyZ or the like Alnd harder to crack than the name of your dog "fido".
No it is no Russian conspiracy, but computer technology ignorance.
This is no black box, if you pay attention to securing your computer, your router, your WIFI and your Smart Phone. And veer use your computer or Smart phone on an unsecured, WIFI network. Which, I also suspect most people posting here are doing just that.
Above all, with security, change your password often and try to use a format like:
XX_5675476_yyZ or the like Alnd harder to crack than the name of your dog "fido".
No it is no Russian conspiracy, but computer technology ignorance.
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I adore seeing people respond to a front-page Times article by screeching about how the mainstream media doesn't cover the sorts of stories that the front-page Times article is about.
By the way, all that password stuff is good. And if you think it'll stop professionals who really, really want to hack your accounts, you're living in a strange, far-off land.
By the way, all that password stuff is good. And if you think it'll stop professionals who really, really want to hack your accounts, you're living in a strange, far-off land.
Robert, it won't, but you should make it as hard as possible.
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The Russians, the Russians, the Russians, who cares, maybe it's the kid down the street; our real concern should be uncovering the DNC's deceit in order to stop it from happening again.
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So, Trump's secret strategy is to enlist Putin's help.
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As if. he clown has been pandering to Putin for years and still hasn't met him.
It reminds me of the Pentagon Papers - very questionable tactics but the information was explosive. The DNC's treatment of Bernie Sanders shows what a corrupt institution they have become.
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OK, Herb, you be smoking yourself.
Nixon's tapes revealed crimes so deep his own prosecutor went to jail for obstruction. The ITT thingy is just a side show. Just a morsel of the crimes that crook made happen.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/05/22/VI20070522...
My experience is the telephone company can get taken over by crooks just like when Joe Bonnano ruled our local. When a vicey trailer park owner could not get the hook up, once he let Joe in on his gaming, he got fifty lines put in overnight. That's the truth. Telephony is the most connected industry.
Nixon's tapes revealed crimes so deep his own prosecutor went to jail for obstruction. The ITT thingy is just a side show. Just a morsel of the crimes that crook made happen.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/05/22/VI20070522...
My experience is the telephone company can get taken over by crooks just like when Joe Bonnano ruled our local. When a vicey trailer park owner could not get the hook up, once he let Joe in on his gaming, he got fifty lines put in overnight. That's the truth. Telephony is the most connected industry.
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Seriously, why does anyone even care. HRC is guaranteed to win no matter what these emails say.
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Unfortunately, true.
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BeeBee....you should care. If HRC wins, we will end up $25T in debt, continued unemployment and poor GDP and a larger government telling us what to do.. If you want that, you have not a semblance of care for this country.
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Even with all the help from his friends at the Russian Foreign Intelligence Agency Trump is still too incompetent to win this election.
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No Trump is very good at his job, which is to be Clinton's unacceptable foil, to lose. He was never a serious candidate.
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Apparently the Russians are doing a better job uncovering evidence than the FBI...
Also, the people complaining that it's not a big deal that the DNC favored Clinton because Bernie was an independent ignores the fact that the limited debate schedule also impacted Webb and the two other early candidates...and they were Democrats !!
These scare tactics about Russia trying to elect Trump have the same rotten smell as George W Bush's color-coded terror alerts.
Also, the people complaining that it's not a big deal that the DNC favored Clinton because Bernie was an independent ignores the fact that the limited debate schedule also impacted Webb and the two other early candidates...and they were Democrats !!
These scare tactics about Russia trying to elect Trump have the same rotten smell as George W Bush's color-coded terror alerts.
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Not to mention that DNC neutrality is legally binding.
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Who else would you like to intrude upon to learn "Truths?"
Personally, I'd turn the power of Prism on the CDS Markit and out them for the bucket shop manipulators they really are. But then, I have my dignity, too. So screw you half hearted strippers for Putin! Take it all off, your you are just into tease.
Personally, I'd turn the power of Prism on the CDS Markit and out them for the bucket shop manipulators they really are. But then, I have my dignity, too. So screw you half hearted strippers for Putin! Take it all off, your you are just into tease.
Democrats say they are bracing for the possibility that another batch of damaging or embarrassing internal material could become public before the November presidential election.
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Bracing for the possible release of another batch of DAMAGING or EMBARRASSING MATERIAL sent via email, huh? So, the DNC concedes that they were sending damaging (to Sanders) and embarrassing (to themselves) content that has now been believed to be obtained through hacking.
Where is the outrage, phony liberals supporting Hillary?
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Bracing for the possible release of another batch of DAMAGING or EMBARRASSING MATERIAL sent via email, huh? So, the DNC concedes that they were sending damaging (to Sanders) and embarrassing (to themselves) content that has now been believed to be obtained through hacking.
Where is the outrage, phony liberals supporting Hillary?
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Personally, I'm mildly outraged by your reading comprehension. The story says that the info is embarassing, though not so far proof of any actual malfeasance, and potentially damaging to the campaign.
By the way, ol' William F. would not have had any trouble condeming these hacks and sneering at the DNC. Might wanna read up on basic conservatism.
By the way, ol' William F. would not have had any trouble condeming these hacks and sneering at the DNC. Might wanna read up on basic conservatism.
Hey @Robert, the adjectives DAMAGING and EMBARRASSING are used to modify INTERNAL MATERIAL that could become public. If there is no malfeasance, why would the internal material be embarrassing or damaging?
You are full of huff and puff, aren't you Roberto?
You are full of huff and puff, aren't you Roberto?
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Personally, I have experienced a super abundance of really good stinging reasons to greatly tame my world wide web exposure. SO....HEY KIDS, GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA, It's dangerous for your health. Here's tip.. write a letter and send it snail mail, safer. Get a land line? lets together be retroactive and get some privacy back. Or are you a sheep?
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Yes, yes, yes! Thank you Suzanne. Listen up young people.
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Not asleep, just not ignorant to the changes taking place in the world around us. Snail mail? Land line? Go chase some youngsters off your front yard.
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The NSA listens to our phone calls and I wouldn't put it pass them to open our letters if you're a possible threat to "The Homeland".
It is time for patriotic Americans to prove their allegiance - are they on the side of the Democratic party, which is under attack by Russia, North Korea and China? Or are they choosing to ally with the Republican party that is openly aligning with these dictatorships? Who among our citizenry is standing with the leaders of the Republican party, that are openly asking our enemies to attack and shred our democratic institutions and our constitution?
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Assuming the information about Russian involvement is correct, are you sure that Putin is not playing you to make sure HRC gets elected? Because your reaction is very predictable (even for Putin)
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Ah yes US security official have a "high degree of certainty" it was Russia. I suppose thats better than saying it was Iraq.
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Not interested in the source? That's curious, not. I know there's a devil lurking in those details, witch doctors.
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This is clearly a misquote, or a lie :
"Mr. Trump stunned Democrats and Republicans when he said last month that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Mrs. Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen, although he said later that he was being sarcastic."
Trump never expressed hope that Russia hacked Clinton's email. He DID ask "Russia" if they knew where the "missing" emails were. Trump VERY effectively highlighted Clinton's extreme foolishness in using an unprotected email server at home for the nation's business. She made herself vulnerable to potential coercion by a foreign power. And it's a serious issue we need to look at. There could be many DNC leaders who are similarly compromised.
"Mr. Trump stunned Democrats and Republicans when he said last month that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Mrs. Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen, although he said later that he was being sarcastic."
Trump never expressed hope that Russia hacked Clinton's email. He DID ask "Russia" if they knew where the "missing" emails were. Trump VERY effectively highlighted Clinton's extreme foolishness in using an unprotected email server at home for the nation's business. She made herself vulnerable to potential coercion by a foreign power. And it's a serious issue we need to look at. There could be many DNC leaders who are similarly compromised.
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Great plot for a spy novel. Presidential candidate hacked. The hackers learn some seriously compromising information about the candidate. Use it for blackmail and to keep the candidate in their pocket while in office after they manipulate the voting machines and get him/her elected. The one problem though for today is that candidates are already so openly shameless it is hard to see what would sway their fans and why blackmail would work.
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Oh good.
It must be a day ending in a “Y”, because here’s yet another “damaging to Democrats” email story in the New York Times. Alluding to the previous email release, the story states:
"...a trove of hacked internal emails showing party officials eager for Mrs. Clinton to win the nomination over Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont."
Oh nos! Staffers and officials expressing opinions! Political strategies that might tick someone off! Within the context of a political campaign and within a political organization, of all things! Good lord, there was politics going on!
Where's my fainting couch? The horror!
Let's compare:
On the one hand we have these emails.
And on the other we have a self-absorbed narcissistic coward - potentially in cahoots with Russia which probably hacked the emails - who harbors a political and personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton and who has spent the past four years hiding behind the skirts of an embassy to avoid criminal charges; and a megalomaniacal serial liar who just claimed President Obama is the “founder of ISIS”.
Equivalent!
It must be a day ending in a “Y”, because here’s yet another “damaging to Democrats” email story in the New York Times. Alluding to the previous email release, the story states:
"...a trove of hacked internal emails showing party officials eager for Mrs. Clinton to win the nomination over Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont."
Oh nos! Staffers and officials expressing opinions! Political strategies that might tick someone off! Within the context of a political campaign and within a political organization, of all things! Good lord, there was politics going on!
Where's my fainting couch? The horror!
Let's compare:
On the one hand we have these emails.
And on the other we have a self-absorbed narcissistic coward - potentially in cahoots with Russia which probably hacked the emails - who harbors a political and personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton and who has spent the past four years hiding behind the skirts of an embassy to avoid criminal charges; and a megalomaniacal serial liar who just claimed President Obama is the “founder of ISIS”.
Equivalent!
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When media slant focuses more on the content of hacked email and not the criminal intent of the hackers, motive in particular, and whose authority the hack instigated from, then it becomes gossip not journalism. Our national security has been breached. Putin was acting on whose request? There's your story.
As a tech I can tell you that everyday all governments security is being breached by other governments. Tech is being implemented very carelessly without a serious thought of security by governments and major corporations.
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I disagree. It represents sloppiness and a sense of entitlement.
My first boss on Wall Street used to tell us that as long as we kept in mind that anything leaving the office under our signature will 1) show up in the New York Times; 2) be subpoenaed by a US Attorney and; 3) be read by our mothers - we'd be fine.
My first boss on Wall Street used to tell us that as long as we kept in mind that anything leaving the office under our signature will 1) show up in the New York Times; 2) be subpoenaed by a US Attorney and; 3) be read by our mothers - we'd be fine.
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The Rs love to starve the government of funds, and Russia, China and others love to fund computer espionage. US only hope is DoD funding for cyber war.
The Democrats should be hammering on this near-treason in their campaign ads. Call it "the Trump-Putin ticket".
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The Democrats are even more guilty than we know already?
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Until we all accept our collective shame, we are doomed to remain the same. Condor is still circling. But you go ahead and suggest the RNC hasn't anything to test. They tossed how many workers for their disgusting racist and sexist emails? Imagine the rest.
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So what's the US electorate to do? If anything embarrassing or damaging is exposed in an "October surprise" to influence the election, then the system will have been "rigged" (as Trump likes to say). By a foreign power. And the super-criminal Julian Assange.
Perhaps the only way to "un-rig" the system at that point is for an enterprising hacker to hack the RNC emails equally thoroughly and expose all that crap too.
That would be fair and balanced, and excise the undue influence of our state enemies.
Perhaps the only way to "un-rig" the system at that point is for an enterprising hacker to hack the RNC emails equally thoroughly and expose all that crap too.
That would be fair and balanced, and excise the undue influence of our state enemies.
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NY Times still pushing the "Russia did it" angle when the question is still open.
The "who did it" and "why did they do it" question are, indeed, important, no less so than what the leaked information reveals. It seems that much of the reporting has focused on who/why at the expense of what, and this is sadly unfortunate. If the media fully investigated and discussed the content question/issue, the palaver of amateurs speculation and conspiracy theorization could be swiftly put to bed. And if such investigation actually did uncover something important, whichever paper/network first brought it to light would be seen as a standard-bearer of truth in journalism for a generation. So, again, it's sadly unfortunate that the question of what the information reveals is being so poorly addressed.
The "who did it" and "why did they do it" question are, indeed, important, no less so than what the leaked information reveals. It seems that much of the reporting has focused on who/why at the expense of what, and this is sadly unfortunate. If the media fully investigated and discussed the content question/issue, the palaver of amateurs speculation and conspiracy theorization could be swiftly put to bed. And if such investigation actually did uncover something important, whichever paper/network first brought it to light would be seen as a standard-bearer of truth in journalism for a generation. So, again, it's sadly unfortunate that the question of what the information reveals is being so poorly addressed.
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I suppose that this was inevitable. There is a serious problem here that the Republican FBI will fail to get to the bottom of. It is curious in this day and age that ONLY Hillary Clinton and the Democrats have been hacked and information "leaked". Are not hackers working 24/7/365? And no one else and/or entity in the US has been hacked significantly and data released?
Why aren't we hearing about Russian hacks of the Republicans? Hmmm... This is truly an historic year, with the Republicans farming out their dirty tricks to a hostile foreign power. Apparently, even Mr. Trump sees a positive role for Globalization.
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It is disappointing that intelligent people would think that anything sent over the internet wouldn't eventually be available to an outside party. There are no programs today that won't be vulnerable to a future hack. I am sure it isn't just the Democrats who have shown poor judgement with what they have committed to emails, texts, and other electronic messaging. Even the programs like snap chat and skim, are still vulnerable to hackers. Be careful what you say, big brother is watching.
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Incredible what men will go to, to keep such a good smart woman out of the White House. Unconscionable.
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Maybe it has less to do with Hillary being a woman and more to do with her not having a conscience.
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Yes, Terri, it's definitely sexism. (lol)
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It speaks volumes about the Times' objectivity (or lack of same) that it would make this comment a "NYT Pick".
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The insinuation that DNC staffer Seth Rich may have been assassinated because he possibly aided in the email hack is interesting. The only reason to commit such an assassination would have been to prevent a conspirator to reveal who his contacts were. Since it is unlikely an independent hacker would have the means, or even desire, to commit such an assassination, it is almost certain a government would have been behind it. Obviously the US government, or DNC, did not hack themselves, which points to a hostile power with a security network in the USA. The alternative theory, suggested by Assange, that this was a "message" by the US government to whistleblowers, doesn't work, since the US government seems to be going out of its way to deny that he was a whistleblower. For a "message" to be sent, a narrative has to be propagated consistent with that message. At this time the only one propagating such a narrative is Assange.
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I would have liked to have seen a simple report of his death, possibly with Clinton's comments about it, in the NYT before the bare mention today. Not newsworthy? I don't believe that.
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Just another in a long list of mysterious deaths related to the Clintons.
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Oh but to think that Hillary's email while at State was hacked, that is just conspiracy theory? She put our nation deeply at risk while serving in one of the highest offices. Please, give us a third choice for President.
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What are you talking about? Hillary never put our nation at risk. There were like 7 offending emails out of 60,000, and we don't even know what they contained. She did not use email for confidential exchanges. Some just slipped through. Period. Check Colin Powell. Check Condoleeza Rice. You will find they same.
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SOS and DOJ systems were hacked as well, not to mention many corporate and banking systems. Maybe we should go after the hackers instead of hating the victims.
Samuel, think about it a it more. No one knows what was in the 30,000 plus that were deleted... The FBI couldn't examine those. They were gone and apparently wiped from the server in such a way that even a deep probe couldn't find them. But we're they hacked before being deleted? Well, you can pretty well bet that if a foreign
Power -- or some acne faced geek -- tapped in, every thing was grabbed... Bad business... And that was back when she was SOS...
Finally, get a handle on some facts. Powell did not ever use a private server, and Rice never used email. Period.
Power -- or some acne faced geek -- tapped in, every thing was grabbed... Bad business... And that was back when she was SOS...
Finally, get a handle on some facts. Powell did not ever use a private server, and Rice never used email. Period.
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Based on these comments, we should be way more worried about the state of American minds than about Russians hacking emails. Conspiracy theories abound, accusations of favoritism in news reporting are common, and no one can apparently read what's actually in the story, only what they want it to say, and make up "facts" that only they are apparently privy to.
The intellectual acumen of the Times readers seems to be disappearing. That's far more disturbing than cyber attacks.
The intellectual acumen of the Times readers seems to be disappearing. That's far more disturbing than cyber attacks.
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Much of the US seems to operate on the theory that you can't be too paranoid, or too schizophrenic.
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Just because yer paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya.
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Internet Rule #1: Everything you write is out there in cyber world forever. Don't write it if you wouldn't say it in church or at work.
Internet Rule #2: No data or information one the web is safe from intrusion. Don't write it if you don't want it hacked.
Internet Rule #3: write & store the important/sensitive information on an non-internet enabled computer.
Investment tip: Electric typewriters with word processing capabilities or computers that do not have internet capacity.
There is something to be said for old fashioned Watergate style "hacking." Much more difficult and less likely a foreign state could pull it off.
I do not understand how anyone can nail Hillary to the wall for her personal server when NO system is impenetrable! They way republicans have starved government, I'd wager that Hillary's server was more secure than the State Dept!!!!
Russia, specifically Putin, is definitely attempting to influence this election outcome. This may have all started as routine hacking. I doubt they were banking on Trump as the republican nominee! That was a gift that ignorant Americans produced. We can trace this back to the republican party. Their inattention to the middle class and their crazy positions created this perfect storm called Donald Trump. And we will all pay the price.
#1 Rule about Politics: they all have skeletons and they all lie and do unethical things.
Internet Rule #2: No data or information one the web is safe from intrusion. Don't write it if you don't want it hacked.
Internet Rule #3: write & store the important/sensitive information on an non-internet enabled computer.
Investment tip: Electric typewriters with word processing capabilities or computers that do not have internet capacity.
There is something to be said for old fashioned Watergate style "hacking." Much more difficult and less likely a foreign state could pull it off.
I do not understand how anyone can nail Hillary to the wall for her personal server when NO system is impenetrable! They way republicans have starved government, I'd wager that Hillary's server was more secure than the State Dept!!!!
Russia, specifically Putin, is definitely attempting to influence this election outcome. This may have all started as routine hacking. I doubt they were banking on Trump as the republican nominee! That was a gift that ignorant Americans produced. We can trace this back to the republican party. Their inattention to the middle class and their crazy positions created this perfect storm called Donald Trump. And we will all pay the price.
#1 Rule about Politics: they all have skeletons and they all lie and do unethical things.
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With security issues on government servers, the government IT dept is at fault, and one's emails are subject to FOIA requests. With security issues on a home server, you can delete them and not answer FOIA requests, and you can hope to throw your home tech guy under the bus - unless he gets exemption from prosecution in order to sing like a birdie. Still waiting to see what guccifer has to say also.
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The DNC asked for trouble, and they now have it. I applaud Julian Assange for what he's done (at at least is taking credit for doing) - especially if it causes harm to the Clintons.
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Yeah, that's the way to install a security system! To do the most harm. Still steaming about the Bern? He doesn't want you to out yourself, either.
Goose, come in, this is Gander. Why are you defending Russian air space without a clue?
Goose, come in, this is Gander. Why are you defending Russian air space without a clue?
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Abby, as I wrote, the DNC has been asking for trouble for many years, especially since they allow the Clintons to do whatever they want to do. I'm very pleased to know their emails have been hacked. Unfortunately, one of the DNC staff was murdered, on command by the Clintons.
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Love your fresh new voice. Keep writing, k?
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The message is always the same: "Never try to do anything important by email." In fact, if Assange can manage to make email unusably irrelevant, then good for him as he rots in Russia.
- the email hater.
- the email hater.
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Assange rots in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.
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Snowden rots in Russia.
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Assange is in London. Snowden is in Russia.
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Those Republicans (and they might actually read the NYT) still thinking of voting for Trump in hopes that he'll step down or be removed, and Pence will become President, be warned. Trump is Putin's poodle, and Pence is Trump's poodle. There is no substance whatsoever to Mike Pence. His four years as Governor, ruining what former businessman and now college president Mitch Daniels had done, should be proof enough, but you could also go back and see how useless and divisive he was in the House, if you'd like.
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This is a Republican who read the Times and I'll vote for Trump and hope he does 2 terms. The thought of the Clintons back in the White House scares the st*t out of me.
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Ok, then. At least you're not counting on Pence.... Except as backup anyway. Me, I am hoping for a giant meteor....
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I find it delicious that we finally are getting some truth in politics courtesy of Judicial Watch and FOIA and Russian hackers. Already we have seen that Hillary was selling access to billionaire donors to her "foundation" in exchange for meeting with ambassadors who they wanted to do business with.(Are you listening Dean Skelos?) And this I believe is merely the tip of the iceberg. That one fact alone should be disqualifying but it is not as the press is in bed with the democrats and their hatred of Trump will disincline them to pursue this story. The fact that Obama's justice department has turned down an FBI referral to investigate and possibly bring indictments over this troubling brewing scandal is an impeachable offense. Ms. Lynch should resign. Again the press could not care less. Hence, we have Trump. The public is fed up. I will take him and his gaffes and ham handed immigration policies over a politician that should be under indictment. Sorry.
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A lot of should of. and possibly in your statements. Hillary Clinton has been under investigation since the seventies, and this is all you have? You can say all you want about crazy conspiracy theories, and it's easy to spread. If you or I were investigated over 30+ years, maybe or possibly someone should find incriminating information about us. But emails? If there was actual proof that someone has sensitive information from those emails, Mrs. Clinton would be indicted by now. Please, move on to the next faux controversy!
Truth in politics may have cost a 27 year old data analyst his life. That could once have been me.
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Stop falling all over yourselves to blame Russia or Trump for proving what we already knew. First, the Democratic primary was an exercise in disenfranchisement, because the referee was paid off. It doesn't matter how much the favorite won by, no one credible ran against her. Sanders never got the memo and starting with nothing won 22 states demonstrating no one wanted Clinton. Second, the Clinton Foundation and the State Department under Clinton was a continuous episode of conflict of interest. The NY Times confirmed meticulous documentation of at least 9 episodes where companies got favorable State Department rulings after making donations, the Clinton campaign has no response other to say it's "old news".
What belongs to us under the Freedom of Information Act is ours, not theirs. It was just returned to its rightful owner. We are still owed 30,000 deleted emails. We knew the corruption but many of us don't want to admit it. You can continue lying to yourselves or blame Russia, but may I recommend looking in the mirror?
What belongs to us under the Freedom of Information Act is ours, not theirs. It was just returned to its rightful owner. We are still owed 30,000 deleted emails. We knew the corruption but many of us don't want to admit it. You can continue lying to yourselves or blame Russia, but may I recommend looking in the mirror?
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So you want the missing 30,000 Hillary emails ? What a about the server that Bush/Cheney cleared of millions of emails, or the emails on Rice or Powell's private servers (both used them as Secretary of State) . Did you ever care about those missing emails. I bet you didn't.
So we know the Russians are trying to tilt the election towards their puppet, Trump. And we know that Assange's Wikileaks (ostensibly a voice for transparency and accountability for all government; yeah, right!) is their willing accomplice. It's amazing how many posters on here are unwilling to face these disturbing realities in their zeal for trying to damage their political opponents. The fact that the released DNC e-mails were completely banal and showed nothing that surprising or atypical of what you'd expect from any political organization doesn't stop many folks from breathlessly anticipating further "revelations" to come from the Russian operative Assange.
This diversion from dealing with the clear and present danger that a Trump presidency would do to this country and the world is exactly what Putin and Assange want gullible low-info Americans to focus on. Congratulations, Trump and Bernie posters, for playing right into their hands.
This diversion from dealing with the clear and present danger that a Trump presidency would do to this country and the world is exactly what Putin and Assange want gullible low-info Americans to focus on. Congratulations, Trump and Bernie posters, for playing right into their hands.
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In hindsight, Bernie probably would have been successful running as independent. Our two major parties and candidates seem beyond redemption.
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Can't argue with that since the "Party of the People" did so little to help him. However if he had gone it alone would his recognition factor been much wider than the few who knew him through Thom Hartman's radio show? Remember there would have been no debates and we never would have heard the It's too hard to do it all at once we must do it in increments admonicion. Not Clinton's finest hour.
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Please name the successful third-party presidential candidates in the USA during the past hundred years.
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If Bernie ran as an independent, the only state he would carry is Vermont.
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I identify first and formost as a Bernie-Bro, but I have to say, Julian Assange is an absolute moron. All this "transparency" business to save the world... yea right. What an ego that guy has. He needs a girlfriend.
Hey Julian, get off the cross will ya? We need the wood.
Hey Julian, get off the cross will ya? We need the wood.
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Preferably one older than 14, be my suggestion.
He doesn't need a girlfriend - he needs to be released from his sanctuary and go to court on the rape charges he's been hiding from.
Why would you put transparency in quotes? Is transparency only desirable when it helps defeat Republicans and elect Democrats? I am a Clinton supporter, but in no way do I think she deserves to win only if any potential wrongdoing is kept hidden from the public. The most dangerous thing - what Trump supporters embody - is when you actively try to conceal misconduct by your own camp so you can continue to glorify them. Any misconduct deserves to be offered to the public so we can make fully-informed judgments about our presidential candidates. Anything else is cult-worship.
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Very, very bad news for Crooked Hillary.Look for revelations detailing the Pay-to-Play slush fund which provided a fast track for Clinton Global Initiative donors to acquire approval for multimillion dollar projects from Clinton's State Dept in return for 6-7 figure 'donations to the CGI.
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I'd bet Trump is under FCPA inspection and is the Siegfried armed with unsearchable wealth by the global invisible dwarfs to kill the same instituion. That way they can legally manipulate our politicians AND their foreign dupes for billions in trades of core values.
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Is there any American left not bought out for 30 pieces of silver? Maybe in DARPA? Anywhere?
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Once again Americans have been duped out of the president they wanted. First Bush is appointed by the Supreme Court when Al Gore should have been elected, now Bernie Sanders has lost to Clinton by manipulations by the DNC. This is a disgrace to our democracy and no one yet has been jailed.
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Look, Bernie is no personal savior either. Just a guy with ideas closer to what would be actually beneficial for the country. In the end if both major parties don't learn something and reform themselves, we are in for a whole lot worse than the mess we're in now. If not a giant meteor, I'm hoping Canada will invade. They are too nice, though, and don't want the job of nation-building, I'm sure.
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So then the media turns the issue into who hacked not what the hacking confirmed "the system is rigged" Sanders was partially done in by DWS and her campaign Swat team that is supposed to try to operate fairly. Not a chance
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When you can explain how DWS ruined Bernie's campaign all by herself, please explain it to the rest of us and have some proof in hand to show us. We don't see she could have done what you say she did, even if she wanted to.
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The hacking was the crime, a felony. The unauthorized public release of stolen private emails is also a crime. The emails themselves were wide open for tampering by the hackers; rewriting, selective deletion, editing and newly-faked messages. The content of the hacked emails is no more trustworthy than the hackers themselves.
So the FSB is publishing stolen email. It's not a big jump to think that the FSB might be writing the emails it's publishing.
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People at the DNC admitted they had written those emails. They apologized. But your question seems to be, if the people who may or may not have hacked them might or might not have written them, who do we believe? Why, Jason Bourne.
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The Russians did not write the e-mails in the Democrats' accounts.
Have the Russians hacked the content of Hillary Clinton's Wall Street speeches, Donald Trump's tax returns or the schemes of the Clinton Foundation and/or Trump Corporation entities?
Who knew that no American public nor private electronic digital accounts were safe from Russian and Chinese hacking and spying?
Have the Russians hacked the content of Hillary Clinton's Wall Street speeches, Donald Trump's tax returns or the schemes of the Clinton Foundation and/or Trump Corporation entities?
Who knew that no American public nor private electronic digital accounts were safe from Russian and Chinese hacking and spying?
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You want to know why the RNC's emails are off limits? If we read those, our toes would curl up and we'd spring into action against Citigroup's mobilization of their "Plutocracy Report." They are concerned for rich people EVERYWHERE, the rest of us can all hack off and die.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&...
Now, Hillary likely plagiarized that pamphlet in her Goldman speech for dividing those with common interest against themselves politically so the few can manag;, Paine on his head. But we got her by the whiskers, folks, so let's ride her toward our goals, not let Putin rule our stars.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&...
Now, Hillary likely plagiarized that pamphlet in her Goldman speech for dividing those with common interest against themselves politically so the few can manag;, Paine on his head. But we got her by the whiskers, folks, so let's ride her toward our goals, not let Putin rule our stars.
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The Hillary haters are doing brain backflips to turn this criminal incursion into the Democratic Party into virtuous whistle blowing about "government" and how it lies to us, documented by discredited conspiracy theorists. At the same time the man the haters support lies at record rates - fully documented by credible analysis. What's up with that?
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Just so we're clear, Russia is significantly interfering with our national elections. This is a major threat to our democracy.
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Still waiting on proof of that.
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Gang of Turkeys,Hack of Democrats,Mob of sheep...
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This is like a drug dealer telling the cops that stealing cocaine is a crime.
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I know, right? There is no moral authority left in anyone who opens their mouth or keeps it shut in this election. Republicans decrying Trump and moving along as if that's all they needed to do. People apologizing as if that's all they need to do. People not apologizing and telling us everything is just old news. News outlets breathlessly reporting innuendo and fact as if they're exactly the same relevance to the decision of the leadership of the free world. People trying to humanize, apologize and proselytize. As Chuck Berry said, too much monkey business for me to be involved in.
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Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange and Donald Trump are all of the same temperament, that is, narcissists of the highest order. It's no wonder they find themselves aligned in trying to take down our eminently qualified Hillary Clinton. Business as usual.
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And H. Clinton is not a narcissist? What dream world are you living in?
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No, she is plainly not. [Definition of a narcissist is not "we don't like her.]
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I hope these emails will provide the impetus to rid America of a two-party system that has failed to address the needs of most American society and has sold Americans on the illusion of legitimate representation.
America can and should do better than this.
America can and should do better than this.
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The leaks may be damaging to individuals but what isn't leaked and kept for blackmail is the bigger risk. Given what we have already seen in the leaked e-mails, I am much more worried about what the hackers have found and have not leaked. We already know the Clinton's are willing to sell out the USA for wealth and start wars for self preservation. I don't want to imagine how far will they go to keep their secrets from being exposed. Hillary has already put national security at risk with her home server and her destroying emails that were federal records.
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Yet three former Republican heads of the CIA have stated they will support and vote for Hillary Clinton for President because Donald Trump is temperamentally unfit for the Presidency and a danger to the security of the Country. Republicans are deserting Trump in droves and supporting Clinton because they have said Trump is mentally compromised. I am not influenced by what Dems say about Hillary. When a large number of LIFELONG REPUBLICANS denounce their own Candidate and support Hillary Clinton.......that gets my attention.
Mitt Romney was overheard making a comment about the 47% of American workers who he claimed were just free loaders and was destroyed by that quip.
Donald Trump displays more damaging evidence of incompetence, ignorance and vulgarity than 1 million email leaks from any Democratic Party official. His off-hand call for Hillary's assassination, his praise for Saddam Hussein, his undying love for Vladimir Putin, his claim that Obama is the creator of ISIS, ..and the list goes on.
Trump screams treasonous, seditious hate slogans day in and day out. No Russian-hacked emails could possibly compare with the bald-faced evidence that Trump is completely unhinged and dangerous.
Donald Trump displays more damaging evidence of incompetence, ignorance and vulgarity than 1 million email leaks from any Democratic Party official. His off-hand call for Hillary's assassination, his praise for Saddam Hussein, his undying love for Vladimir Putin, his claim that Obama is the creator of ISIS, ..and the list goes on.
Trump screams treasonous, seditious hate slogans day in and day out. No Russian-hacked emails could possibly compare with the bald-faced evidence that Trump is completely unhinged and dangerous.
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Yeah but the 47% part was actually true because of the EITC, earned income tax credit because those of low income pay a big chunk for their future social security.
That NYT recommended a comment based on actual false pretense and information doesn't exactly set NYT much apart from Trump in terms of fact-checking.
There's no neutral, objective authority for information, facts, and journalism anymore.
That NYT recommended a comment based on actual false pretense and information doesn't exactly set NYT much apart from Trump in terms of fact-checking.
There's no neutral, objective authority for information, facts, and journalism anymore.
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The entire US government is a "money and influence peddling machine". With corporate lobbying and Citizens's United money flowing into politicians' coffers in massive quantities, how else can our "democracy" be described. However, the most immediate threat to the safety of the planet is Donald Trump, an unhinged ignorant egomaniac who must be kept out of the White House at all costs. Then, after the election, people should take to the streets just like the Civil Rights movement did years ago and start demanding the return of the control of government to the people.
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And warmongering H. Clinton is not an egomaniac? Keep drinking the Kool-Ade.
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We did. We supported Bernie. The dimming prospects for a Trump presidency do nothing to expunge the sins of Clinton, Inc.
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Jeffiz, Your first sentence was spot on, but then you lapse into "troll speak." To the best of my knowledge, Trump never gave any pep talks to Goldman-Sachs at $183 per second. Nor did he set up a money laundering 'foundation' with which to accept anonymous donations from all manner of bad actors.
Take 80 minutes and watch "Clinton Cash" online. I got through the whole thing in ten minutes segments because my gag reflex kept cutting in.
Take 80 minutes and watch "Clinton Cash" online. I got through the whole thing in ten minutes segments because my gag reflex kept cutting in.
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"The Russians" eh?
Let us walk down memory lane and recall the NYT's history:
Judith Miller
Walter Duranty
Jayson Blair
Rick Bragg
Michael Finkel
Let us walk down memory lane and recall the NYT's history:
Judith Miller
Walter Duranty
Jayson Blair
Rick Bragg
Michael Finkel
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The upside to Trump is that everything he says and thinks is apparently already out in the open. If his emails are ever hacked, there will be nothing to blackmail him with.
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Then where are his taxes?
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The Russians have all of Hillary's private e-mails. The exposure of the D.N.C. hacks by covert means serves to warning her of what the Russians have, and their use for future blackmail. Unwitting and helpful to this operation is the legend that D.N.C. hacks are meant to help Trump; what the Russians now have is a potential compromised President of the United States.
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Most people here have no concern what might be in the e-mails, no matter how much they could implicate Hillary Clinton for corruption, or worse. The concern is about the poor Democrats being hacked by the Russians. And it may not even be the Russians.
Pretend Dick Cheney were running for president and all this were happening to him and the RNC. Would you be having the same defensive reaction?
Pretend Dick Cheney were running for president and all this were happening to him and the RNC. Would you be having the same defensive reaction?
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"A Russian cyberattack that targeted Democratic politicians was bigger than it first appeared..."
You say that as though it is a proven fact. The DNC says it was the Russians acting to support Trump; Assange says it was not the Russians and has implied that it was a DNC insider. Nothing has been proven yet.
You say that as though it is a proven fact. The DNC says it was the Russians acting to support Trump; Assange says it was not the Russians and has implied that it was a DNC insider. Nothing has been proven yet.
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The FBI says otherwise.
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jay has it exactly right. The DNC hired a private contractor of it own choosing and it was their contractor who blamed it on the Russians, not "intelligence agencies."
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every security company and even fbi officials say it was the russians. Assange is a russian stooge who is trying to hurt the US by boosting the worst candidate in US history, trump.
that you are standing on the side of America's enemies is obvious.
Any "emails" that passed through the hands of the Putin's FSB or his stooge Assange are meaningless.
that you are standing on the side of America's enemies is obvious.
Any "emails" that passed through the hands of the Putin's FSB or his stooge Assange are meaningless.
Simply don't care about emails. If ANY email server was hacked and released, you would see all human beings across the board will have skeletons and shameful things they said.
Email is just a conversation. It isn't just Hilary, if every single politician had their emails released, we would find damaging comments in every single politicians box. Lying is what they do, it's what they have to do. It's always been smoke and mirrors and always will be.
This is nothing but a distraction from REAL problems in the world.
Email is just a conversation. It isn't just Hilary, if every single politician had their emails released, we would find damaging comments in every single politicians box. Lying is what they do, it's what they have to do. It's always been smoke and mirrors and always will be.
This is nothing but a distraction from REAL problems in the world.
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Just because you don't care doesn't mean the emails don't matter. The emails show a rigged system and portray the primaries as a sham. Hard to gloss over that huh?
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Wait, I thought Assange and Snowden were heroes to the liberals? Which way is it? Are they heroes or traitors?
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It depends which party they are revealing info on. Democrats are very thin skinned and think they are right about everything and they own the moral high ground.
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Heroes. And Chelsea Manning too.
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Your comment is quite interesting to me. I am an Independent, and have found that when I have a political discussion with my Republican friends, they defend their positions in reasonable tones, but when I have a political discussion with my Democratic friends, they defend their positions with anger and yelling. It is a startling contrast. Many of my independent friends have had the same experience. I understand being passionate about ones views, but it is a bit disturbing to experience, and I am not baiting either side during such discussions and not always the one who broaches the subject. Personally, I am a middle-aged, never married, childless woman who has worked since 17 years of age at mostly secretarial jobs, so I am invisible to my government. For me, it is a throw-a-dart situation.
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It is time for e-mail 101, or Simple Mail Transport Protocol. Go to here:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc821
Now the history. Way back when, like in the early 1970s, the UNIX operating system came into being. The government was experimenting with networking computers together; the forerunner of today's Internet, called Arpanet. As the story goes, a decision was made to allow means to communicate with each other in the Arapanet program. E-mail was born out of this. It was something that was slapped together and it worked. Security never entered the equation, as it was for collaboration. Like many other things, running on UNIX, everything was designed fro collaboration, not security.
In the 1990s, when the Internet took off, most of this occurred on the UNIX operating systems, which were mostly in use as research computers. Windows Servers were not even in the picture at this point. Security, was secondary, and an after thought, became an issue. It still is.
Anyone go to your e-mail server, using the a particular UNIX command, to connect to any e-mail server. What they can or cannot do, is determined by how the server usually set up. Like home WiFi, a number of e-mail servers are open to the world.
This information is widely available to anyone who works in some form of computer administration, so I am not telling anyone how to hack e-mail.
Anyone, with the right knowledge can hack and e-mail server and are familiar with the commands to type to the SNTP server.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc821
Now the history. Way back when, like in the early 1970s, the UNIX operating system came into being. The government was experimenting with networking computers together; the forerunner of today's Internet, called Arpanet. As the story goes, a decision was made to allow means to communicate with each other in the Arapanet program. E-mail was born out of this. It was something that was slapped together and it worked. Security never entered the equation, as it was for collaboration. Like many other things, running on UNIX, everything was designed fro collaboration, not security.
In the 1990s, when the Internet took off, most of this occurred on the UNIX operating systems, which were mostly in use as research computers. Windows Servers were not even in the picture at this point. Security, was secondary, and an after thought, became an issue. It still is.
Anyone go to your e-mail server, using the a particular UNIX command, to connect to any e-mail server. What they can or cannot do, is determined by how the server usually set up. Like home WiFi, a number of e-mail servers are open to the world.
This information is widely available to anyone who works in some form of computer administration, so I am not telling anyone how to hack e-mail.
Anyone, with the right knowledge can hack and e-mail server and are familiar with the commands to type to the SNTP server.
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I thought you'd enjoy this throw back to 1996. I find especially interesting page 13, "Has Agency Come to the Internet?" How ironically funny!!
Like these clowns haven't been manipulating markets or at least taken advantage of inside knowledge while applying everything they can capture to market analytics? Telephony sent me.
Like these clowns haven't been manipulating markets or at least taken advantage of inside knowledge while applying everything they can capture to market analytics? Telephony sent me.
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What a bum I am hocking this bottle of old news and then refusing to drop it.
https://www.insna.org/PDF/Connections/v19/1996_I-2.pdf
Seriously, page 13, "Has Agency Come to the Internet?" It's a great dig.
https://www.insna.org/PDF/Connections/v19/1996_I-2.pdf
Seriously, page 13, "Has Agency Come to the Internet?" It's a great dig.
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Is the DNC using Hillary's IT people?
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Don't you wish everybody did? I'd want one with all the holes in this cheesy protection racket.
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I ask again, NYTs, are you being personally served? Because any CEO who isn't is putting the company at risk. Seems to me Justice is just fine with letting these things slide while hammering the grunts' servers. The big money is in the executive suite, so this is why they avoid detection.
Hay, what happened to all that banker crank Assange was gonna drop? I wonder, did he SELL it?
Hay, what happened to all that banker crank Assange was gonna drop? I wonder, did he SELL it?
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In no way, and at no time, should the intelligence agencies of our government give a national security briefing to that man. Foreign governments already have obtained an immense trove of confidential data without our help; it would be utter folly to expose more of it through the yawning chasm that is his uncontrollable mouth.
It is unnecessary to conduct briefings before the November election. Brief no one but the President-elect.
It is unnecessary to conduct briefings before the November election. Brief no one but the President-elect.
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Oh, did we find out it was definitely the Russians? I missed that. If it was, I too hope they find and release Hillary's deleted 30,000 emails, which is what Trump actually said. I know the NYT has no interest in those but the rest of us out here in flyover country do.
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I'm REALLY more interested in this columnar content you Russians keep pounding. It all sounds the SAME! Come on, you can muster more multiple posternality than this.
When Russians were jamming our radio signals in Germany as we rode the bus to schule, we would sing along with their two left boot poot scoots. "Dum, dum dee dum, dum de doo doo." Like they have any rhythm.
When Russians were jamming our radio signals in Germany as we rode the bus to schule, we would sing along with their two left boot poot scoots. "Dum, dum dee dum, dum de doo doo." Like they have any rhythm.
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Can we please get some clarification about what sort of "personal accounts" here compromised, and how? Were these accounts run by the DNC, with the weakness poor DNC security? Was the problem hacking servers maintained by the DNC? Or, by contrast, were the accounts what most of us would regard as personal accounts, on gmail, or hotmail, or whatever? If so, how were they compromised?
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It's up to "responsible" journalists to step in and not reprint or release any information "leaked" to the press from these illegal hacks. This stops with the press, or the press is complicit in the hacking.
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Would you take the same position with Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers?
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It's only a problem because their corruption and ethical bankruptcy is at risk of being exposed.
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Agreed. Democrats cant handle the fact that HRC is at least as bad if not far worse than Trump because her actions where when she was part of the U.S. Government.
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The main targets appear to have been the personal email accounts of Hillary Clinton’s
So Hillary was hacked? Or will the media gloss over that? And the it is certainly possible that our Iranian informant was outed by Hillary and her email.
And finally, any journalist worth their weight would ask the following question. "If you are so afraid of damaging and embarssing leaks, shouldn't the American people be aware of what you are doing?"
It would seem to me the admittance that there are damaging things on those emails should make every citizen say "what is going on". And our media ignores that acknowledgement?
So Hillary was hacked? Or will the media gloss over that? And the it is certainly possible that our Iranian informant was outed by Hillary and her email.
And finally, any journalist worth their weight would ask the following question. "If you are so afraid of damaging and embarssing leaks, shouldn't the American people be aware of what you are doing?"
It would seem to me the admittance that there are damaging things on those emails should make every citizen say "what is going on". And our media ignores that acknowledgement?
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Exactly the argument I'be been using regarding Trump's cowardly refusal to make his income taxes public, when he knows it's the responsibility of every presidential candidate to do so. HRC has eight years of her complete tax forms online. As you say, he's essentially admitting that there are damaging things in those tax returns, and every citizen should be aware of them.
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When are you people -- yes all of you people --- going to realize that NOTHING IS SAFE FROM ANYONE AT ANY TIME.
The hacker's mantra "You make the code, I'll break the code".
Hey, email and all of the "anti-social media" is fine for fun, but NOTHING WILL EVER REPLACE PEN AND PAPER for security.
And in the end, if you don't ever want it seen by prying eyes, don't commit it to writing.
The hacker's mantra "You make the code, I'll break the code".
Hey, email and all of the "anti-social media" is fine for fun, but NOTHING WILL EVER REPLACE PEN AND PAPER for security.
And in the end, if you don't ever want it seen by prying eyes, don't commit it to writing.
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This is where the social engineering comes into play. Better to have an encrypted database of complex randomly generated passwords with a complex key committed to memory that you use nowhere else and would never have a valid reason to tell anyone.
The better encryption algorithms out there still can't be easily hacked, and by the time there's enough computing power to be able to do it we'll move on to a better encryption algorithm.
The better encryption algorithms out there still can't be easily hacked, and by the time there's enough computing power to be able to do it we'll move on to a better encryption algorithm.
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A disgrace that NYT allows publishing of false information, such as:
"Mr. Trump stunned Democrats and Republicans when he said last month that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Mrs. Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen"
Trump never opined whether he hoped Russian hacked. Rather he said (joked) in a world-wide statement that he hoped they are able to find the emails that were already missing off of the server. Nor were they requested to be published by the Russians.
For anyone to suggest that a world-wide broadcast of a speech and a worldwide twitter feed is the manner in which such communications are accepted by the Russian gov't - the author here should not grace the pages of NYT again, along with the editor who allowed it to be published.
"Mr. Trump stunned Democrats and Republicans when he said last month that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Mrs. Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen"
Trump never opined whether he hoped Russian hacked. Rather he said (joked) in a world-wide statement that he hoped they are able to find the emails that were already missing off of the server. Nor were they requested to be published by the Russians.
For anyone to suggest that a world-wide broadcast of a speech and a worldwide twitter feed is the manner in which such communications are accepted by the Russian gov't - the author here should not grace the pages of NYT again, along with the editor who allowed it to be published.
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He wasn't joking. He used the "just kidding" excuse, but he wasn't kidding, either. Watch the vid.
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Trump is manipulated by Paul Manafort, a known pro-Russian adviser. Draw your own conclusions.
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First off on July 27th in a rally, Donald Trump Encouraged Russia through one of his speech's to Hack into Clinton/Democrat party and find Clinton E-mails. With a invitation like that from Trump, who would resist doing such a Thing? Trump doesn't care if he endangers our county or not. He will do anything/everything to get WHAT he wants, when he wants it! He didn't even care that it endangered our country to tell Russia to Hack our Government or Political Party Computers. Putin thinks he has a Ally in Donald Trump. Putin will use Trump for his own means! That is how ignorant Trump is at this kind of Security of our country. AN I don't think they need information on Clinton, but they need all the black mail information they can get to put Trump into the W.H, sense Trump seems to feel a king ship with Putin himself, and Trump thinks he can "MAKE DEALS" with Russia Leader Putin in most anything "HE WANTS"! Trump has stepped over a National Security line for then once already to endanger this country! An he doesn't seem to want to put on the breaks at all! He scare's the Crap out of me!
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Ms. Treadway is having the troll equivalent of a hissy fit here. Trump never said he wanted the Russians to hack Hillary's emails. What he did say was that if they already had them, that he hoped they would be made public. To be clear, it is a virtual certainty that someone has the missing 30,000 "yoga routines" but who they are is as yet unclear.
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Just because he scares you doesn't mean H. Clinton isn't just as scary, especially if you have military aged children that she will send off to a useless war.
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and yet, clinton actually did do a deal with russia, for uranium, but thats AOK, yeah?
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Somewhere in the cosmos, Richard Nixon is laughing.
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So is Joe McCarthy!
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I want facts not speculation.
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Then you'd love Britain. Once a person is arrested, not even the press can speculate on what may come of it until the trial is over. Would you like to try a sample? Sometimes the victim can be victimized so often in this process of silence, they commit suicide and then are found guilty. I'm not joking.
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All those terrible lies they pressed about the McCann's killing their daughter? They had to give those lies first to us to publish, then they could say we said it. You want it Trump's way?
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I'm not judging the democrats based on stolen emails until I can read the stolen emails of the Republican Party as well. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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The difference is that I expect republicans to be venal and corrupt, I naively hoped that the democrats aren't.
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Can you really point to something really corrupt? Even the emails to Clinton's Aides don't show quid pro quo. They show asking for a favor and not getting it according to an investigation this week by the NY Times. Appearances and circumstantial evidence are not the same as actual facts or truth.
Now THOSE are some emails I'd love to read!
Excellent! Make all these emails public! If anyone broke the law, put them in jail, starting with Hillary!
Meanwhile, Democrats will obsess over some words that Trump used (which are similar to what they themselves used in past elections). They have no spine and words hurt.
Assange is a hero!
Meanwhile, Democrats will obsess over some words that Trump used (which are similar to what they themselves used in past elections). They have no spine and words hurt.
Assange is a hero!
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Assange is a nihilist.
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Just another self serving delusion. This guy has Putin/Trump living in his brain in some form.
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Tell me what law Hillary Clinton has broken? I'm just curious. Using her own server was stupid, not illegal.
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At long last we have discovered a version of the Philosophers Stone. It does not turn base metals into gold, but it turns gossip and innuendo into unassailable fact. It seems that the most brazen hokum becomes reality by composing it in the form of e-mail and firing it around in cyberspace until it is clandestinely intercepted. These intercepted missives are transformed by the cyber spirits into material publishable in respected media as incontrovertible fact. Even if the material is intercepted by spy organizations hostile to us, we are compelled swallow the entire message as the gospel truth. Such are the marvels of modern technology.
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In other words, the DNC was just JOKING...
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We only know what the Russian hackers and Wiki leaks say the DNC said. No one knows for sure what the DNC actually said. But since it is on the interweb, it must be true (unless it is not). But we can always go to the ultimate source of truth, Wikipedia for confirmation (or maybe not).
It's obvious that russia has been feeding, if not assisting Assange and his cohorts as they try to affect our election.
Time to put some pressure on Ecuador to kick Assange out of their embassy.
I once thought he was on a mission of truth, but that's clearly gone. Both he and russia need to be out on the street.
And WE need to put our best minds to work on cyber security. It's beyond embarrassing to see this hacking continue.
Time to put some pressure on Ecuador to kick Assange out of their embassy.
I once thought he was on a mission of truth, but that's clearly gone. Both he and russia need to be out on the street.
And WE need to put our best minds to work on cyber security. It's beyond embarrassing to see this hacking continue.
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Maybe Hillary could set up a server in her bathroom for the Federal government. It worked like a charm for her.
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Was it Clapper claiming Snowden had pushed up encryption by seven years? Now we can thank Assange and Putin's hacks for making it the near future!!
Why isn't NSA claiming Snowden is behind this if no one can tell? Because it has knowledge we never will.
Murdoch was fond of the Germans when his crew stole card codes to distribute online so folks could pirate their own stolen ITV Satellite chips. Sadly, the producers of Downton Abbey had to leave the Sky stage. No revenue. Now Murdoch rules the Euro pies.
Did we know his UK CEO's personal server was wiped against court orders, and they still didn't have to give it up for retrieval with their grunts' wiped server? 72 arrests resulted from that one, but no executive suite access? The UK government didn't want to confirm the FCPA's suspicions Murdoch was manipulating them for a bigger slice of their Sky pie. Then they'd all have to find regular jobs.
I don't know if folks do that if that server had revealed a Sky manipulation, Murdoch would lose his license to fly FOX and be deported from the US. Nothing to read here, just move along. Not even in the last of Cameron's emails left in that server's BlackBerry after a month in police hands. The file was reduced to Tempora.
Why does that fish take so long to cook, GCHQ? NSA, I watched that stock slip slowly for six months after you knew. Has BB tried to sue GCHQ? Cause only after they told you did the invisible hand start to move that stock, short sellers.
Why isn't NSA claiming Snowden is behind this if no one can tell? Because it has knowledge we never will.
Murdoch was fond of the Germans when his crew stole card codes to distribute online so folks could pirate their own stolen ITV Satellite chips. Sadly, the producers of Downton Abbey had to leave the Sky stage. No revenue. Now Murdoch rules the Euro pies.
Did we know his UK CEO's personal server was wiped against court orders, and they still didn't have to give it up for retrieval with their grunts' wiped server? 72 arrests resulted from that one, but no executive suite access? The UK government didn't want to confirm the FCPA's suspicions Murdoch was manipulating them for a bigger slice of their Sky pie. Then they'd all have to find regular jobs.
I don't know if folks do that if that server had revealed a Sky manipulation, Murdoch would lose his license to fly FOX and be deported from the US. Nothing to read here, just move along. Not even in the last of Cameron's emails left in that server's BlackBerry after a month in police hands. The file was reduced to Tempora.
Why does that fish take so long to cook, GCHQ? NSA, I watched that stock slip slowly for six months after you knew. Has BB tried to sue GCHQ? Cause only after they told you did the invisible hand start to move that stock, short sellers.
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I don't care at this point who did the hacking. Can we please have a calm conversation about the fact that the party to which I have given over $10,000 of my hard-earned money over a lifetime, believing it to be the champion of the minorities (like me), the poor, and the disenfranchised, is in fact a money and influence peddling machine for the Clintons? I was swayed by Her kind words about Puerto Rico and almost pulled the lever for her. Thank God I kept my head and voted for Bernie. Bernie, if you're reading this, please stop sulking and run again. There is still time!
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being biased is not a criminal act. do you seriously believe that in sanders' 30 year political career he never engaged in questionable deal-making, never betrayed a value he once espoused or embraced an amoral value? why should it surprise anyone that the DNC--a political entity--favored hilary over bernie? he was never a Democrat until he decided to run for president, he refused to raise money for Democrats during his campaign (until he was pressured), he violated DNC rules and repeatedly questioned and challenged DNC legitimacy.
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You are fooling yourself if you think anybody else but the dems will help you or the people you care about.
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You call for a calm conversation and then make strong allegations that you provide no facts to support. This is not a prescription for enlightenment.
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Ever wonder why Trump is not getting hacked????? Is this another example of how private enterprise does things much, much better than government organizations?
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Interesting, if ill-informed take on things. The RNC like the DNC have government and non-government servers that may be subject to hacking. This isn't any kind of proof that private enterprise do things any better than government. And you might take note at how many banks, retail outlets, and credit card companies have been hacked. But go ahead with your preconceived notions and don't let facts get in the way.
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Isn't it a sad day when we need to rely on Julian Assange to obtain news that our "media" should have reported?
It'll be interesting to see how much DNC garbage is being protected and suppressed by our media whose responsibility it is to expose it.
Then we'll have even more evidence that the media is complicit in DNC corruption and carrying water for the most corrupt candidate to run for office.
It'll be interesting to see how much DNC garbage is being protected and suppressed by our media whose responsibility it is to expose it.
Then we'll have even more evidence that the media is complicit in DNC corruption and carrying water for the most corrupt candidate to run for office.
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If Russia is the source of this hacking - and that's a very big if considering how convenient that allegation was to diverting attention away from the substance of the DNC hack - what does that say about the cyber warfare skills of the Cyber Security Command
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Cyber offense is much easier than cyber defense. We know that America excels at the offensive game. For starters, consider Stuxnet, which was able to destroy Iranian centrifuges with great stealth. Indeed, for the longest time Iranian scientists could not figure out what was happening to their centrifuges. let alone how they were being damaged, and by what. Of course, we rarely hear about these cyber attacks perpetuated by the US, both because those attacked often do not realize they have been attacked, and when they do they are loath to admit it.
Defense is much harder. The most effective way is to disconnect from the internet (although that did not prevent the Iranian centrifuges from being damaged). It is similar to border security. There is just so much that can be attacked, so many ways to get in.
Defense is much harder. The most effective way is to disconnect from the internet (although that did not prevent the Iranian centrifuges from being damaged). It is similar to border security. There is just so much that can be attacked, so many ways to get in.
Has everyone forgotten that Bernie's campaign breached the DNC computer files in December? That was when Bernie started his attacks on Debbie W. S. He was enraged at her for objecting to the theft of data.
What did the Bernie helpers DO with all the information they spent hours downloading? Did they hand it over to Russian counterparts?
What did the Bernie helpers DO with all the information they spent hours downloading? Did they hand it over to Russian counterparts?
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Do you have to ask?
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Considering how Wasserman Schultz was rigging the election, is it not possible that Clinton's campaign also got information about Bernie and Schultz just said nothing. Sanders had told her about lax security twice before and she did nothing. Why was that? Also her nephew was one of the people working on DNC security. So to accuse Bernie and his staff of handing over information to the Russians is beyond ludicrous, something only a die hard Clinton supporter would even suggest.
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The Sanders campaign didn't "breach" the DNC servers. The DNC admitted negligence in leaving a firewall open. Some Sanders campaign staffers saw the opening, and one may have downloaded data. I believe that person was fired.
Tellingly, to my knowledge, the DNC has never responded to the Sanders's campaign's obvious query about who else--what other campaigns, including Clinton's--saw or took data while the wall was down.
Your speculation doesn't even rise to the level of speciousness. It's just plain silly.
Tellingly, to my knowledge, the DNC has never responded to the Sanders's campaign's obvious query about who else--what other campaigns, including Clinton's--saw or took data while the wall was down.
Your speculation doesn't even rise to the level of speciousness. It's just plain silly.
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I welcome transparency about what is going on in the party I have always supported. The DNC emails we already saw show that the DNC was dishonest and underhanded in their efforts to squash Bernie Sanders, someone who really does want to help the poor and uninsured.
I don't really care who got the emails. If someone told you you were being cheated, the most important issue would not be the source of the information.
The media was clearly using the phrase "Russian hacker" to distract from the contents of the emails. Please don't fall for that.
Wikileaks doesn't hack, if I understand correctly. They provide an outlet for documents in the public interest to be leaked anonymously. This is needed in an era of severe non-transparency and prosecution of and retaliation against leakers.
This is how we ended up in what former President Carter and researchers at Princeton have called an oligarchy: collusion between politicians, money people, and the media on the one hand and repression of dissent on the other.
If more revelations show that the Clinton campaign was engaging in pay-to-play (arguably they already have) or other corrupt illegal or ought-to-be-illegal behavior, I hope Democrats will call on her to step aside for the good of the country. Many other Dems could beat Trump, probably with a wider margin than Clinton.
I don't really care who got the emails. If someone told you you were being cheated, the most important issue would not be the source of the information.
The media was clearly using the phrase "Russian hacker" to distract from the contents of the emails. Please don't fall for that.
Wikileaks doesn't hack, if I understand correctly. They provide an outlet for documents in the public interest to be leaked anonymously. This is needed in an era of severe non-transparency and prosecution of and retaliation against leakers.
This is how we ended up in what former President Carter and researchers at Princeton have called an oligarchy: collusion between politicians, money people, and the media on the one hand and repression of dissent on the other.
If more revelations show that the Clinton campaign was engaging in pay-to-play (arguably they already have) or other corrupt illegal or ought-to-be-illegal behavior, I hope Democrats will call on her to step aside for the good of the country. Many other Dems could beat Trump, probably with a wider margin than Clinton.
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Hdb, living in a clueless pollyana world.
If they are so good at hacking then please hack the many e-mails that Bush/Cheney deleted after 911.
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I this any different the Obama going to England to try to sway Brexit voters days before the vote? its not a hack but still using political power to sway a foreign vote.
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I guess the honesty part doesn't mean anything to this author.
you don't know the difference between a criminal act and a legitimate speech? between spying and stealing, vs. a political speech? i guess it's hard to figure things out when you lack a moral compass.
Assange has said in a Dutch interview that he is never "sitting" on more information. If there is more it has not been released to him yet.
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And, of course we can believe Assange because he is such an upstanding guy.
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A pity. The young DNC analyst is now dead.
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Assange say a lot of things. Last week he told Bill Maher he was working on obtaining Drumpf's tax records. Immediately after the show he said he actually was Not , but had said that "for the show". His word is NOT "his bond".
How could they not know to be careful what they write in the emails? Unlike spoken words (of course, unless you are unknowingly being recorded), written words always leave a trace. I do not write anything that can be discriminated against me or my clients on my professional correspondences. This is basic workplace common sense 101. Think before you write.
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Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is pictured smiling from cheekbone-to-cheekbone in the picture accompanying this piece (I did not know that she stayed to attend DNC after ignominiously getting ousted for damaging emails). Hillary was in Florida, visiting Debbie's constituency and campaigning for her.
If Debbie is corrupt, so is Hillary. They are all in this together. The End of winning presidency justifies any crooked means.
Why are liberals and liberal media exemplified by NYT not outraged?
Have you no shame?
If Debbie is corrupt, so is Hillary. They are all in this together. The End of winning presidency justifies any crooked means.
Why are liberals and liberal media exemplified by NYT not outraged?
Have you no shame?
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Debbie Wasserrman Schultz (no hyphen) was not "ousted for damaging emails".
Why pretend old Bernie's spin was true? Why pretend a political party should NOT support a Democrat instead of a socialist who suddenly decided to be a Democrat and dictate how it should be run, who its leaders should be, and what its platform should say?
If anyone is behind this "hacking" of DNC information, it's Bernie and his campaign workers. Remember? December? Hours spent downloading the party's files? Did they send them to Putin as a Christmas present?
Old Bernie is STILL trying to get revenge on Debbie. He's a vengeful guy, just like Trump. Two sides of the same coin.
Why pretend old Bernie's spin was true? Why pretend a political party should NOT support a Democrat instead of a socialist who suddenly decided to be a Democrat and dictate how it should be run, who its leaders should be, and what its platform should say?
If anyone is behind this "hacking" of DNC information, it's Bernie and his campaign workers. Remember? December? Hours spent downloading the party's files? Did they send them to Putin as a Christmas present?
Old Bernie is STILL trying to get revenge on Debbie. He's a vengeful guy, just like Trump. Two sides of the same coin.
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Have you no shame pushing your own shallow self serving extremely weak theories? Or are you merely repeating what Rush Limbaugh spoon fed you everyday recently?
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The Russophobia angle on this is pure distraction. Even if it was the Russians who did the hack (and I've never seen any actual evidence that they did, just the assurances of unnamed "high ranking intelligence officials"), it was the establishment Democrats who gave them the ammunition. It is rather rich to accuse another country of "undermining our democracy" or "meddling in our elections," when all that other country does is reveal emails showing that party officials sought to undermine the primary process.
Also, for more than a decade, the "national security experts" who are now lining up to endorse Hillary have argued that law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear from government surveillance so long as they have nothing to hide. Let the same logic apply to them: if they weren't doing anything nefarious, they should have nothing to fear from hackers.
Also, for more than a decade, the "national security experts" who are now lining up to endorse Hillary have argued that law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear from government surveillance so long as they have nothing to hide. Let the same logic apply to them: if they weren't doing anything nefarious, they should have nothing to fear from hackers.
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Actual evidence from experts, which this author clearly isn't, doesn't count in this authors world?
Why does the US always seem to go for the most farfetched explanation for anything?
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Clever misdirection by unnamed "officials" of DNC making the subject the source. Comey doesn't know the Russkies are the hackers but nevertheless this article leads and then pushed that notion and blends it with allegations about Assange, a narcissistic creep nobody likes. A
But, friends, it doesn't require The Big Bad Wolf to find those emails. All that's required is to start walking the cat back using known email addresses. Here, seven known DNC officials who just couldn't resist opening those harmless looking links to some hot news report-- or the like. From there on, your 12 year old grandchild can do the rest.
And, by the way, take a look at the wiki leaks website. My goodness, you can use pal pal or your credit card to donate via Commerzbank. Then, if interested, follow the money.
But, friends, it doesn't require The Big Bad Wolf to find those emails. All that's required is to start walking the cat back using known email addresses. Here, seven known DNC officials who just couldn't resist opening those harmless looking links to some hot news report-- or the like. From there on, your 12 year old grandchild can do the rest.
And, by the way, take a look at the wiki leaks website. My goodness, you can use pal pal or your credit card to donate via Commerzbank. Then, if interested, follow the money.
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The vast majority of experts say that it is essentially absolutely certain that Russia did this. This author seems to prefer the "low information" childish spin on things instead.
I know Trump has now stated that Obama founded Isis with the specific intent that it be a Salafi jihadist militant group that follows a fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine of Sunni Islam. But I can't help thinking that tomorrow he's going to claim this was a joke.
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The best thing for the Democratic ticket would be to drop Clinton all together and pledge in for Jill Stein, who doesn't have all of the baggage that the aforementioned candidate has. The media has backed Hillary and effectively sledgehammered other options on the ticket.
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Whyever would they do a dumb thing like that. If they were to drop Clinton,ma pipedream to be sure, they have plenty of experienced Democratic candidates like maybe, oh say, Biden.
Our nominated presidential candidates are unbelievably pathetic and duplicitous, their personal activities and campaigns corrupt and dishonest. They do not represent America's best potential. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where Obama would be forced into staying on the job in order to stave off collapse of the democracy we profess to love.
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Why is it that everyone is focused on Assange and his motives when he is exposing information that the Democrat party has kept secret from the people of the United States? Have we become so complacent that our own government can lie to us multiple times a day, and when a foreign entity catches them in the act and hands that information to the American people.......we get upset at the foreign entity? Remember when we were all excited to get Obama into office because he promised to end the corruption of the Bush administration that we all knew was happening, and to make the government more transparent? Now the only transparency we get is from Russia and Wikileaks; and the American press and liberals are mad about it! I 100% welcome foreign intervention to help point out when our government is lying to us. I only hope enough Americans head their warning; as they haven't headed any of the other warning signs for the last few years. Wake up people.
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Looks what happened when Edward Snowden exposed the CIA goings on? They had him tried for treason and executed, within a matter of hours. Never the mind that the CIA was doing what it was doing. This is the same mentality here. That is, it is not how the content was made public, but the content itself. Also, if people are stupid enough to stick things, people should not see, on network accessible servers, they deserve what they get.
I mean where every day there is some kind of reported security breech, and people are still naive enough to send private e-mails through their phones and over open internet connections.
They get what they deserve; there is no reward to stupidity.
I mean where every day there is some kind of reported security breech, and people are still naive enough to send private e-mails through their phones and over open internet connections.
They get what they deserve; there is no reward to stupidity.
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The Dems didn't actually "rig" anything against Bernie (who I voted for, btw). All that the leak revealed was that Democratic party staff mocked him. Try to get over your hurt feelings.
What Russia is hoping to do, with material assistance from a like-minded Assange, is help an authoritarian Trump take power, with potentially shattering repercussions.
Clinton is a conventional, and typically, mildly corrupt politician. Trump is a threat to the republic, including your freedom (for the time being) to whine about unfair politics.
What Russia is hoping to do, with material assistance from a like-minded Assange, is help an authoritarian Trump take power, with potentially shattering repercussions.
Clinton is a conventional, and typically, mildly corrupt politician. Trump is a threat to the republic, including your freedom (for the time being) to whine about unfair politics.
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When Trump asked Putin to release those Clinton private server emails, was he being "sarcastic" or was he making a request based on advance information his campaign already had from the Russians or Assange?
Truly a bizarre election campaign with the feeding frenzy masking clear indications of foreign interference and possible treason.
Truly a bizarre election campaign with the feeding frenzy masking clear indications of foreign interference and possible treason.
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Joe T, I agree that this has been a bizarre election. When Trump entered the race, he immediately found an audience receptive to his desire to send illegal immigrants packing. This is still the issue that brings him the most support. Yet, the media steadfastly refuses to report on any facts regarding illegal immigration. Instead, it has relentlessly focused on Trump’s persona. This article, for example, is full of innuendos, and the editorial board has highlighted your comment which states what it has been implying.
Trump, himself, is rather inarticulate. The media has had a field day by suggesting what he was trying to say. In doing this, it has been able to avoid looking at the issues he has raised, such as illegal immigration.
We need a newspaper that will investigate all of the facts of every issue … not one that advocates for certain causes and then ignores information that could be detrimental to them.
Trump, himself, is rather inarticulate. The media has had a field day by suggesting what he was trying to say. In doing this, it has been able to avoid looking at the issues he has raised, such as illegal immigration.
We need a newspaper that will investigate all of the facts of every issue … not one that advocates for certain causes and then ignores information that could be detrimental to them.
On Monday, Trump advisor Roger Stone, confirmed in a speech that he is in contact with Julian Assange. I didn't see this news get much pickup, but its relevant.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/09/roger-stone-confirms-hes-commun...
ROGER STONE: Well, it could be any number of things. I actually have communicated with Assange. I believe the next tranche of his documents pertain to the Clinton Foundation but there's no telling what the October surprise may be.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/09/roger-stone-confirms-hes-commun...
ROGER STONE: Well, it could be any number of things. I actually have communicated with Assange. I believe the next tranche of his documents pertain to the Clinton Foundation but there's no telling what the October surprise may be.
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Trump probably asked for it from Putin through their mutual friends and fellow travelers.
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We know the U.S., Russia etc have been spying on one another for decades. Although it is clear that the capability of collecting intimate data has grown extensively and has become more dangerous.
Sure is telling that the very serious evidence that Dem officials were doing everything in their power to undermine Sanders campaign has been dropped by main stream media host like Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews etc who all have been on the band wagon for Clinton as Dem officials have been. Exposing with evidence that the "system" is terribly "rigged"
So the focus becomes which country exposed this fact not the fact that the system is "rigged"
Sure is telling that the very serious evidence that Dem officials were doing everything in their power to undermine Sanders campaign has been dropped by main stream media host like Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews etc who all have been on the band wagon for Clinton as Dem officials have been. Exposing with evidence that the "system" is terribly "rigged"
So the focus becomes which country exposed this fact not the fact that the system is "rigged"
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Please show the evidence that the DNC actually DID anything more than typical politics. You know...like celebrating your "viictory," of 2500 caucus votes in Washington, blaring about "real democracy," and skipping lightly past losing the popular vote among several hundred thousand voters in Washington thee weeks later.
How's that democratic, open, and honest, again?
How's that democratic, open, and honest, again?
The Democratic Party is entirely within its rights to reject moles. That is all it did in the case of Bernie. It did not smear him.
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Clarity:
Vote Hillary/Trump if you value: fear, hate, lies, theft, immorality.
Vote Stein if you value: truth, honesty, fairness, equality, ethical,
moral, peace, love.
Vote Hillary/Trump if you value: fear, hate, lies, theft, immorality.
Vote Stein if you value: truth, honesty, fairness, equality, ethical,
moral, peace, love.
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I generally find that these sorts of simple-minded moral binary oppositions are extremely dangerous, and I think history generally shows this to be true.
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Jill Stein is a tool for Julian Assange and her running mate believes Bernie Sanders is a white supremacist. Enough said.
Do the supporters of the Democratic Party who seem so incensed by the fact that their party's duplicity and corruption was exposed feel no shame for its corruption?
Apparently not. It's business as usual for the Democratic National Committee. So what are Sanders supporters to do? The DNC says "Shut up and get in line" and support Clinton. Even Bernie Sanders is so spooked by Trump that he is willing to support Clinton.
Those of us who believe that the power of the corrupt corporatist duopoly of the incumbant political parties must be ended will neither shut up or get in line. The Republican Party is on the ropes It is time to bring done the Democratic Party too. We will support Dr. Jill Stein and the Green Rainbow Party. We applaud the truth about the corruption of the DNC coming out regardless of the means.
The truth will out and the truth is that the DNC is in the bag for the oligarchs and plutocrats of Wall Street.
Vote for Dr. Jill Stein!
Apparently not. It's business as usual for the Democratic National Committee. So what are Sanders supporters to do? The DNC says "Shut up and get in line" and support Clinton. Even Bernie Sanders is so spooked by Trump that he is willing to support Clinton.
Those of us who believe that the power of the corrupt corporatist duopoly of the incumbant political parties must be ended will neither shut up or get in line. The Republican Party is on the ropes It is time to bring done the Democratic Party too. We will support Dr. Jill Stein and the Green Rainbow Party. We applaud the truth about the corruption of the DNC coming out regardless of the means.
The truth will out and the truth is that the DNC is in the bag for the oligarchs and plutocrats of Wall Street.
Vote for Dr. Jill Stein!
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I'd rather lead apes in Hell than vote for an arrogant anti-vaxxer.
Stay tuned, more tap dancing from the democrats around the truth to come.
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No tap dancing, just watching the Republicans working hand and glove with the Kremlin. As the Church Lady would say: "Oh, how interesting."
What I don't understand is why Congress is not, given the ties to Russia acknowledged or claimed by Trump, his children and Manafort, not investigating possible connections between one or more of them and the theft of the emails allegedly by the Russians. The thefts play directly into their business interests and after all they are all about cutting advantageous deals and doing Business.
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When there's little left to do but shake your head in disbelief, it's always a good to look for the humor in an otherwise oppressively serious situation. Try to imagine the Democrats reaction to this. It must be like letting a pack of blind dogs loose in a meat factory.
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I trust that colorful metaphor looks exactly like the Republican convention did.
You never know, and anyone would be a fool to predict with confidence.
But it seems to me we're close to the point where a plurality of American voters will refuse to hand the nuclear codes to Trump *no matter what* is in Julian Assange's emails. He's that much worse than *everyone.*
But it seems to me we're close to the point where a plurality of American voters will refuse to hand the nuclear codes to Trump *no matter what* is in Julian Assange's emails. He's that much worse than *everyone.*
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The standards by which our pols are judged have been lowered woefully this year. When data leaked by the Russians is used to score political points in an election, and much of the electorate is more interested in disgracing a candidate than the security of US state secrets, then we have passed a threshold of common sense and loyalty to the Government beyond partisan concerns. The message is, "It's ok if foreign governments dump data gained through spying as long as it embarrasses the candidate I don't like." Since when do Americans passively tolerate foreign and hostile governments meddling in our political process?
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Shoot the messenger
1.treat the bearer of bad news as if they were to blame for it.
Extremely disturbing information is brought to the light of day, spin doctors are in place. Facts remain: very disturbing information is available via the hacked e mails. It's about the content of the e mails, yet the media has made it about the messenger.
The GOP candidate aside...
"A close friend of Bill Clinton, Chagoury struck a plea deal on money-laundering charges in Switzerland in 2000 and was fined $66 million.
The e-mails between State Department aides and foundation staffers were hardly unique — the department estimated the number at more than 12,000.
The Clinton Foundation also has accepted millions from foreign countries — some with deplorable human-rights records — that needed approval from State for roughly $165 billion worth of weapons deals.
In one case, State approved a huge increase in arms shipments to Algeria, even though the department’s own 2011 human-rights report blasted the country for “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption” and a “lack of judicial independence.”
(NY Post)
Who has monetized their positions in all this? Steve Oxman, Asst Sec of State, '92 Yale law w/ the Clintons. Craig Oxman, his brother, top Arms Dealer for Credit Suisse.
Lots of monetizing maggots under rocks in this story, but let's make it all about the messenger.
1.treat the bearer of bad news as if they were to blame for it.
Extremely disturbing information is brought to the light of day, spin doctors are in place. Facts remain: very disturbing information is available via the hacked e mails. It's about the content of the e mails, yet the media has made it about the messenger.
The GOP candidate aside...
"A close friend of Bill Clinton, Chagoury struck a plea deal on money-laundering charges in Switzerland in 2000 and was fined $66 million.
The e-mails between State Department aides and foundation staffers were hardly unique — the department estimated the number at more than 12,000.
The Clinton Foundation also has accepted millions from foreign countries — some with deplorable human-rights records — that needed approval from State for roughly $165 billion worth of weapons deals.
In one case, State approved a huge increase in arms shipments to Algeria, even though the department’s own 2011 human-rights report blasted the country for “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption” and a “lack of judicial independence.”
(NY Post)
Who has monetized their positions in all this? Steve Oxman, Asst Sec of State, '92 Yale law w/ the Clintons. Craig Oxman, his brother, top Arms Dealer for Credit Suisse.
Lots of monetizing maggots under rocks in this story, but let's make it all about the messenger.
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The release before the DNC proved the content is all that matters. In reality the messenger means little as proven by the fact that everyone involved at the DNC was fired. If there is an October release showing a direct pay for play Hillary Clinton will have to drop out. The FBI will have no choice but to prosecute her. The NSA has all these emails so it is not possible for an outside group to fabricate them. They can easily be verified. She could need an Obama pardon, which would put Obama in a terrible spot because he could tarnish his successful legacy.
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Clinton will stumble along, be elected, get investigated, stonewall, step down and we'll get Tim Kaine. I've seen this movie before in 1972; that is how it ends.
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Hackers and their backers seem to be ruling the roost, these days, and their widespread and farflung incursions into any system of communications, military or otherwise, evidently, need almost ruthlessly death-defying responses. If China and Russia are involved, it is alluring to suggest that their nations' electronic structures must be clandestinely and relentlessly counterattacked, with brute force. One can ask questions later, like after shootings of gunfights at OK corrals. These 2 countries will understand treason, much better than a reason.
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And the US/NSA spying on the whole planet including leading ally politicians ?
A whole different story ?
A whole different story ?
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One wonders whether US spies on health records of other countries, as has happened in California's Kaiser Permanente company, recently.
US is a democracy, but China and Russia may have human rights' and journalists' issues. Their authoritarian regimes can be quite detrimental, as exemplified by Russia's recent renewed interests in Ukraine, and China's brazen occupation of Senkaku islands by brute force, much to the chagrin of maritime freedom lovers.
Russia's alleged treatment of its own journalists is quite phenomenal. These are the smidgens of differences, and yes they are different stories altogether, whether one likes it or not.
US is not a perfect country, but at least it is a nation of laws. Let's try and remember that.
US is a democracy, but China and Russia may have human rights' and journalists' issues. Their authoritarian regimes can be quite detrimental, as exemplified by Russia's recent renewed interests in Ukraine, and China's brazen occupation of Senkaku islands by brute force, much to the chagrin of maritime freedom lovers.
Russia's alleged treatment of its own journalists is quite phenomenal. These are the smidgens of differences, and yes they are different stories altogether, whether one likes it or not.
US is not a perfect country, but at least it is a nation of laws. Let's try and remember that.
Putin misplaced my house slippers this morning. We should build a wall.
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I'd like to build a wall to keep this election out. Giant meteor, 2016. Perseids, anyone?
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Got hacked? Got caught? Wrote incriminating emails?
Name your crime.
Name your crime.
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The Clinton campaign machine and its puppet the media, are by far and wide the absolute masters of propaganda. The Clinton's have so many believing all these damning emails can be ignored as they are the product of cold war espionage on the Democrats an attack on America. It has been brilliantly done and one of the most masterful pieces of deflection in modern times. But it gets even better, the NYT in this same article, repeats the slander by implication that all this is the result of Trumps direction to or possibly from the Russians.
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Slander and Trump? What is there in common?
The Russians did not hack the DNC. They are the latest bogeymen.
The DNC hacker was recently found dead. He worked for the DNC. WikiLeaks is merely the middlemen.
Anyone else not named Hillary Clinton would already be handcuffed and in prison.
The DNC hacker was recently found dead. He worked for the DNC. WikiLeaks is merely the middlemen.
Anyone else not named Hillary Clinton would already be handcuffed and in prison.
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I think the security state in this country is so terrified of Trump that we'll see Clinton safely elected before anything gets investigated.
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Gee ... thanks for making the future lives of the Rich family even more of a living hell. They can now look forward to years of bizarre speculation on their family tragedy. I guess it wasn't enough to desecrate the memory of Vince Foster.
Really, I guess it was the tooth fairy.
Trump can keep on acting as crazy as he is. The Russians will put him in power, and he will pay them off.
Selling out America to the Russians will be a small price for Trump to pay.
Selling out America to the Russians will be a small price for Trump to pay.
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The Russians could have something with which to blackmail Clinton and might be just as interested in putting her in power. You have about as much proof as I do.
There's another participant in this crime: the media who report on the contents of the stolen files. The Times and others have a choice to make as Assange and Putin continue their attack on America. Do you abet their espionage by publishing every embarrassing detail, even if the news value is limited?
So far the sad answer is yes. The first batch of DNC emails contained nothing but loose talk among close associates. I would bet that similar stuff could be found in any organization, and yet it was treated as front page news.
Next time, please give us only what meets the Times' ancient standard: All the news that's fit to print.
So far the sad answer is yes. The first batch of DNC emails contained nothing but loose talk among close associates. I would bet that similar stuff could be found in any organization, and yet it was treated as front page news.
Next time, please give us only what meets the Times' ancient standard: All the news that's fit to print.
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TRUMP DUMPS AGAIN Donald never ducks controversy; quite the opposite. He seeks it out. His shocking remarks about encouraging Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary's email is, in my opinion, strong evidence that Trump seems to have consorted with the enemy, in the person of Putin. When Trump perpetrates outbursts that are so outrageous in a way that strongly suggests that he may have communicated his interests directly to Putin is exacerbated by the fact that he seems to have consorted with the Russian leader in the matter of the cyberattacks on Hillary's campaign committee. He then gives stronger appearance of lying by saying that he was being "sarcastic." Trump's excuse is more outrageous than evidence of innocence. He delights in breaking rules, the results of which are seen in his business career which is littered with failures. Imagine the horrors Trump would produce were he elected and as Commander in Chief implemented initiatives that are highly likely to fail, as have his business misadventures. Where would that leave us as a nation? In a highly weakened, chaotic condition. Because of what? Because of Trump's indulging himself in "sarcasm" (AKA the actions of a traitor). His actions already give the impression that he engages glibly in sedition, covering it over with thinly veiled lies. Trump is unfit ethically, emotionally, mentally and physically for any sort of public office. Presidency is not on a novice's on the job training!
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You can see that this is all one sided. why not the repubs. where is the love?
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Couple of Problems here Guys, one the FBI is investigating where both Homeland Security, and the CIA are directed to cover, yet all the reports about Russia is coming from the FBI, Neither the Homeland Security, nor the CIA are stating that Russia did this.
Next is the fact that it would not befit Russia at all to publicly disclose information they could use as bargaining.
But okay Russia did this, stated so by the Same FBI that Boarded a Plane, that refused to call Hilary Clinton on charges for disclosing National Secretes.
But the Media doesn't put the Email server, leaks, with the DNC email Leaks, however both are searchable for any with a laptop. So hidden in the Personal Emails are links suggestions and actual mention of lobbyist, Pac's and Super Pac's funding both Hilary and her foundation, who is receiving moneys donated from La Farge a concrete company, who is paying ISIS for Securities of their employee's. Foreign Contractors, Billed out in Our LAWs as Special Contractors supported by the CIA.
Put the story up stop holding punches NY Times, any investigator or reporter can find those emails as proof.
Chas
Next is the fact that it would not befit Russia at all to publicly disclose information they could use as bargaining.
But okay Russia did this, stated so by the Same FBI that Boarded a Plane, that refused to call Hilary Clinton on charges for disclosing National Secretes.
But the Media doesn't put the Email server, leaks, with the DNC email Leaks, however both are searchable for any with a laptop. So hidden in the Personal Emails are links suggestions and actual mention of lobbyist, Pac's and Super Pac's funding both Hilary and her foundation, who is receiving moneys donated from La Farge a concrete company, who is paying ISIS for Securities of their employee's. Foreign Contractors, Billed out in Our LAWs as Special Contractors supported by the CIA.
Put the story up stop holding punches NY Times, any investigator or reporter can find those emails as proof.
Chas
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Democratic arrogance and stonewalling continues to chip away at US security. Anyone that doesn't think our enemies are gearing up to exploit our bungling are kidding themselves. Is the decline and fall that far off? The drumbeat is getting louder and thus closer.
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Why not simply have a law requiring that all RNC and DNC emails be public. Americans - not just the Russians - have a right to know what our candidates are up to.
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That isn't Trump's strategy. We still don't know what he's gonna do when he loses. But I do fear what his whipped up wood chippers might. I knew the Croix de Feu, but Donald's Tabu is more Am I Rude? Sorry, Coty.
Don't we know a bunch of perfumers starched up those French Blue Shirts? Sacre Bleu! PU, I'm getting catwalky.
Don't we know a bunch of perfumers starched up those French Blue Shirts? Sacre Bleu! PU, I'm getting catwalky.
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Is the DNC (or RNC) part of our government or not? Is a government server in one's bedroom closet secure or not? Were there US policy quid pro quos for Foundation money or not? The Russians have always been out there, an enemy of US interests since I was a child. We need answers to these questions. We aren't playing tiddly winks here. This is why emails are a big deal and Benghazi is not. That said, let's not elect Putin's poodle, shall we, no matter what the damn emails say. We can deal with this after the election, as we did with Watergate.
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I'm truly baffled as to why anyone would think that Putin would want to get Trump elected.
Would any foreign power want to be dealing with a totally unreliable buffoon who is incapable of keeping his mouth shut?
Certainly, for anyone who wanted to gain influence with our government, Hillary Clinton would be the obvious choice. All they would have to do, would be to make a contribution to the Clinton foundation.
Don't take my word for it, just go to this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
The Democratic "Trump-Putin-Assange" conspiracy theory is as ridiculous as the Republican "birther" nonsense.
The birther theory was originally promulgated by Donald Trump; which provides just another piece of evidence, as to what a flaky character Trump is.
A stone cold killer like Putin, would never want to align himself with the clown we call "The Donald" - it's an idea that's just as ridiculous as the birther nonsense.
Would any foreign power want to be dealing with a totally unreliable buffoon who is incapable of keeping his mouth shut?
Certainly, for anyone who wanted to gain influence with our government, Hillary Clinton would be the obvious choice. All they would have to do, would be to make a contribution to the Clinton foundation.
Don't take my word for it, just go to this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
The Democratic "Trump-Putin-Assange" conspiracy theory is as ridiculous as the Republican "birther" nonsense.
The birther theory was originally promulgated by Donald Trump; which provides just another piece of evidence, as to what a flaky character Trump is.
A stone cold killer like Putin, would never want to align himself with the clown we call "The Donald" - it's an idea that's just as ridiculous as the birther nonsense.
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Isn't obvious why putin would love Drumpf in office? He'd do whatever his "admirer" wanted him to do. Undermine NATO? No problem! Look the other way as russia moves on Baltic States? You bet! Pull back on Syrian operations? Hey, anything else?
Please.
Please.
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Perhaps you should find out what a "useful idiot," is.
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Would Trump do any favors for Putin? Guys like Trump never give anything away - if you don't believe that, call up his organization and see what you can get for free.
Trump is a totally inappropriate candidate, but he is not a fool; if he wins, the only one he will be serving, will be himself.
A fool looks and sounds like Jeb Bush - that's how we got Trump landed on us.
Trump is a totally inappropriate candidate, but he is not a fool; if he wins, the only one he will be serving, will be himself.
A fool looks and sounds like Jeb Bush - that's how we got Trump landed on us.
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In the courts, the fruits of a poisoned tree are not admissible as evidence. But then the GOP doesn't care much about law--which is why their prominent lawyers are such a disaster.
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It's sad to see wikileaks reveal itself to be a Russian intelligence operation. Its also sad that there are DNC staffers who would use their professional email accounts to discuss fleshing out one of their candidates' lack of electability amongst their 'peeps'.
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No reputable "expert" has ever said that the Russians did it. None. All we get is Democrat innuendo that "experts say" and they do not tell us who the "experts" are. I suspect they are the cybersecurity firm they hired to fix their mess.
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Nonsense. It's an almost unanimous consensus that Russia hacked the DNC. Over and above the consensus amongst intelligence agencies around Crowdstrike's arguments http://crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-co..., "Guccifer 2", a "Romanian", doesn't actually know Romanian. Note also that the "Ed Snowden" who demands to see the NSA's evidence is now somehow fluent in german, unlike the real Ed Snowden.
Even Assange concedes Russia hacked the DNC. Assange only equivocates that Russia gave wikileaks the emails, arguing that, though a particular state actor's finger prints are all over the intrusion, unaffiliated hacktivists may have disseminated the spoils.
Assange chose Russian bodyguards, steered Snowden to Moscow, via proxy of his Father threw wikileaks' support behind Assad, strict targeting of NATO (zero leaks from Putin's emerging Eurasian power block), Assange simply cannot be the anti-hegemonic, pro civil liberties figure he professes to be- he has simply made a profoundly ironic choice of hegemon given his espoused views on liberty.
Even Assange concedes Russia hacked the DNC. Assange only equivocates that Russia gave wikileaks the emails, arguing that, though a particular state actor's finger prints are all over the intrusion, unaffiliated hacktivists may have disseminated the spoils.
Assange chose Russian bodyguards, steered Snowden to Moscow, via proxy of his Father threw wikileaks' support behind Assad, strict targeting of NATO (zero leaks from Putin's emerging Eurasian power block), Assange simply cannot be the anti-hegemonic, pro civil liberties figure he professes to be- he has simply made a profoundly ironic choice of hegemon given his espoused views on liberty.
The release before the convention was damaging in that it stirred up the pot of resentment regarding how the DNC clearly had their thumb on the scale for Hillary and were intentionally manipulating the election. However, the timing of the leak was actually off the mark if it was intended to change the results of the convention. By that point the train was already pulling into the station. If those leaks had come a month or two before the convention they would have had maximum impact and might have changed the narrative. In that respect it seemed like the release of emails were aiming to stir up the pot a bit. If they now go forward with a drip drip release it could have a real impact on the November election.
For some, it is perceived that neutrality in elections is a sacred obligation. I would say we hope that the press would remain neutral - beyond an editorial endorsement - any slant or cheer-leading from the press is an abuse of power. From the people in the DNC it is more of a sacred (or legal) obligation to be neutral. If they have been up to shenanigans then they only deserve to be exposed. Like governments that behave badly it might be good to shame these people into better behavior, or even possible legal action.
For some, it is perceived that neutrality in elections is a sacred obligation. I would say we hope that the press would remain neutral - beyond an editorial endorsement - any slant or cheer-leading from the press is an abuse of power. From the people in the DNC it is more of a sacred (or legal) obligation to be neutral. If they have been up to shenanigans then they only deserve to be exposed. Like governments that behave badly it might be good to shame these people into better behavior, or even possible legal action.
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Democrats are entitled to be Democrats. The general election is supposed to be objective, although it is anything but an equal experience for all under the auspices of 50 different state governments, plus DC and some territories.
"Much of the briefing to the committee staff focused on the fact that American intelligence agencies have virtually no doubt that the Russian government was behind the theft, according to one staff member, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss elements of the confidential briefing."
A double veil of secrecy and deniability. How credible is that? Is this "weapons of mass destruction" certainty?
"But in June, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that intruders had tried, and that any successful intruders were probably far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind."
If the Russians were so smart, how is it then that the intelligence services can be so certain of the other cases?
The US government has a long history of false flags and false alarms. And cyberspace is much more crowded with false trails then the real world. Given those circumstances one would expect a bit more modesty in the conclusions of the intelligence agencies.
A double veil of secrecy and deniability. How credible is that? Is this "weapons of mass destruction" certainty?
"But in June, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that intruders had tried, and that any successful intruders were probably far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind."
If the Russians were so smart, how is it then that the intelligence services can be so certain of the other cases?
The US government has a long history of false flags and false alarms. And cyberspace is much more crowded with false trails then the real world. Given those circumstances one would expect a bit more modesty in the conclusions of the intelligence agencies.
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The Democrat party is careful not to reveal who these "experts" are. that tells you all you need to know.
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The article states "WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, has made it clear that he would like to hurt Mrs. Clinton’s bid for the White House, opposing her candidacy on policy and personal grounds. He has hinted that he has more material about the presidential campaign that he could release." This is a very frightening possibility, particularly if Assange waits to shortly before the vote and causes great turmoil with some sensational information. This could seriously disrupt the election and have far greater consequences than merely opposing Clinton.
We cannot rely on Clinton to let us know if there is any such information that is likely to come out. She has been far less than candid in her explanations thus far and has engaged in considerable dissembling about what she did. Anything she might now say in that regard would be far less than comforting given her history.
Given the FBI's finding that Clinton and her staff were extremely careless in their handling of classified information, it would not be at all surprising that there is something more out there that we do not know about yet.
We cannot rely on Clinton to let us know if there is any such information that is likely to come out. She has been far less than candid in her explanations thus far and has engaged in considerable dissembling about what she did. Anything she might now say in that regard would be far less than comforting given her history.
Given the FBI's finding that Clinton and her staff were extremely careless in their handling of classified information, it would not be at all surprising that there is something more out there that we do not know about yet.
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My head is exploding as this election implodes. Are we in a Twilight Zone episode? It's gone way beyond the lesser of two evils...it's become a choice between grotesque cartoon villains. Is there a remedy? Please let there be a remedy!
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The question we need to have answered is: With all this hacking going on, can we be sure the private email servers Clinton used while Secretary of State were not also hacked? This appears to be a very sorry state of affairs, and it is hard to imagine that, with all this hacking that has occurred, why an incredibly attractive target like Clinton's private servers (which were not very secure) would not have been hacked as well. If the private servers Clinton used while Secretary of State were hacked, it is important for national security reasons to have an assessment of the damage caused.
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As Comey said, her private email system was less secure than a Gmail account. It's therefore highly likely that it was hacked.
Clinton is fortunate that her supporters aren't intelligent enough to wonder why those emails have not been released to the public. The obvious reason is that they are far more valuable as blackmail material should she win the presidency.
Clinton is fortunate that her supporters aren't intelligent enough to wonder why those emails have not been released to the public. The obvious reason is that they are far more valuable as blackmail material should she win the presidency.
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I don't care who your candidate is, read an article like this with a large grain of salt from the salt mines of Siberia. It is irresponsible of the NY Times, the home of the aluminum tubes, to characterize what we are seeing as an implied Russian State attack, deflecting from what the emails contain and simultaneously hiking up the new Cold War temperature. This narrative of "the Russians are coming" started with the DNC, not US Intelligence. Repeat, this Russia scare started with the DNC not the US government. And the newspaper that has run with it is the NY Times. If the Russians really were coming, we would be in serious war mode. A Russian hacker or a couple of Russian hackers or a Russian and a Swedish hacker (the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo) or a French or German or Finnish hacker or hackers--or a multitude of US based hackers may have done this. It's irresponsible to turn this into a Red Scare story because the Democratic party (my party) is cornered. SONY got hacked. It was a big deal. SONY however, like the DNC, is a not a government entity. In fact, now is a good time to remember that the DNC is a profitable not for profit business and not an arm of the US government. SONY got hacked and heads rolled because of what was in the emails. The DNC got hacked and heads rolled because of what was in the emails. The NY Times leads with "A Russian cyberattack.." instead of "Heads may roll as the public learns what is happening behind the scenes in its democracy.."
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Unnamed, unsourced intelligence officials - think it is highly probable that the Russians are behind these hacks. A few weeks ago, in referring to HRC's emails, James Comey said they couldn't definitively rule out that her State Dept. emails weren't hacked by a foreign government - for the very reason that a sophisticated government hack would be hard to uncover. Yet, with the DNC leaks...practically within hours it was - THE RUSSIANS. And now, no one is talking about the contents of the emails. The money-laundering, the unprincipled favoritism shown to HRC, the clear and simple fact that the establishment, the Democratic Party elite were driving the primaries for HRC. This country is a democracy in name only. And it appears the subservient people can be counted on, over and over to play their part and root for their team.
And as the 'reader's picks' in the comments indicate, the people are ready to get on board - obedient to any and all propaganda that originates from team USA. Bad Russians. Bad Assange. Bad WikiLeaks. Treason. Espionage. Am I so alone in finding all this disturbing? Does anyone else feel like the world has gone quite mad? The outrage over unsubstantiated cyber intrusions on USA! USA! - while our own govt hoovers up all our personal data, bombs other countries without any declaration of war, killing civilians as a matter of course. And for the US to lecture anyone on interfering in elections, foreign or domestic, is utterly ridiculous.
And as the 'reader's picks' in the comments indicate, the people are ready to get on board - obedient to any and all propaganda that originates from team USA. Bad Russians. Bad Assange. Bad WikiLeaks. Treason. Espionage. Am I so alone in finding all this disturbing? Does anyone else feel like the world has gone quite mad? The outrage over unsubstantiated cyber intrusions on USA! USA! - while our own govt hoovers up all our personal data, bombs other countries without any declaration of war, killing civilians as a matter of course. And for the US to lecture anyone on interfering in elections, foreign or domestic, is utterly ridiculous.
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You aren't remotely alone. More and more Americans are finally waking up to what is going on here - an unprecedented collusion of a political party and the entire media to cover up the corruption and collusion and dangerously stupid ignorance and incompetence of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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You would be very surprised to find out how many are with you on this. Vilifying the Russians is little more than a deflection of the blame
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Why is there no discussion of the method of the hack, and the weakness exploited?
Perhaps the rest of the nation might be interested in avoiding having their mail stolen.
Take the Zika virus for example - we are warned to avoid a certain Mosquito, right?
So please - what is the weak link here?
Perhaps the rest of the nation might be interested in avoiding having their mail stolen.
Take the Zika virus for example - we are warned to avoid a certain Mosquito, right?
So please - what is the weak link here?
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Did the New York Times learn nothing from the Iraq war debacle? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Why do you keep publishing story after story pushing the narrative that it was "the Russians" who did it when there are absolutely no evidence whatsoever, relying instead on officials speaking on condition of anonymity? Putin is no saint but this is a dangerous game to play. It is merely trying to distract from the actual scandal revealed in those emails, which journalists with integrity would have covered months ago. The corruption of the DNC, and more importantly, the incompetence of the DNC to secure their information despite the many warnings they received are the real stories here. Can't believe it takes Wikileaks to actually reveal these.
I understand that Trump is a serious menace to the country, but a reason he might actually win is precisely because the mainstream media refuses to hold BOTH parties accountable for their actions.
I understand that Trump is a serious menace to the country, but a reason he might actually win is precisely because the mainstream media refuses to hold BOTH parties accountable for their actions.
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Clitnon is looking for an enemy to create unity and win. Another evident lie used by a liar.
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So is it: "American intelligence agencies have said they have “high confidence” that the attack was the work of Russian intelligence agencies." Or is it: A Russian cyberattack that targeted Democratic politicians was bigger than it first appeared..." as your opening statement says. A whole article speculating it was Russia and slandering Assange without mention of context, Hillary's obsession with Julian (learned from other leaks and her work against whistleblowers), nor the substance of the emails themselves. Just another spin piece meant to take the heat off of Clinton and the DNC corruption and point fingers at everyone else. Wouldn't it be great if we could focus on the actual information we know instead of speculation and vague references to American intelligence agencies and their high confidence levels of this or that. What about some substance? NYT fail. Wikileaks isn't trying to hurt America, it's trying to be an antiseptic in the face of systemic corruption, in which NYT is blatantly complicit.
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Ha, it seems the campaign foolishly ignored the old saying, "Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink."
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Or as Lew Wasserman would not even be caught saying, paperless is next to wireless, Universal. That was for you, Lew!
Hay, isn't Bart "Archie" in England? That was for Jughead, too.
Hay, isn't Bart "Archie" in England? That was for Jughead, too.
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Director Comey said that there was no evidence that Mrs. Clinton's private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else. But he said that intruders had tried, and that (quoted from this article) "any successful intruders were probably far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind".
Why then were we able to know just who hacked the DNC? One would think that the Russians, or whatever entity was responsible, were certainly "skilled". This raises the question of whether Mrs. Clinton's server was actually more secure than archaic government systems which have repeatedly been hacked and and therefore ultimately safer.
Why then were we able to know just who hacked the DNC? One would think that the Russians, or whatever entity was responsible, were certainly "skilled". This raises the question of whether Mrs. Clinton's server was actually more secure than archaic government systems which have repeatedly been hacked and and therefore ultimately safer.
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I guess you missed the part where Comey stated quite clearly that her server set-up was less secure than a Gmail account.
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Before we start whipping up the crowds and lynch Trump as a Russian agent, should we not listen to director Clapper who says it is to early to say who did the hack and why? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-hack-russia-226384
(having said that, the US presidential elections this year are starting to look a lot like the Russian...)
(having said that, the US presidential elections this year are starting to look a lot like the Russian...)
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Yes, they are looking a lot like Russian elections - mostly because of the "state-owned" media that is propagandizing, and even LYING - to help Hillary Clinton win.
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That story is two weeks old. Do you think that the intelligence investigators might have learned more since that was written?
Unfortunately for the American public Russian hacking seems to be the only way we are getting the truth about the Clinton campaign and about what is being said since she is an evasive liar.
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The Republicans don't even need to be hacked by Putin to expose embarrassing material. They need only put their candidate in front of a passel of cheering people.
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We know that Donald Trump welcomes any political help provided by Russia and, in fact, sought such help publicly. Trump only backed off and pretended to be joking when he saw that most Americans, including many Republicans, don’t like the idea of Vladimir Putin trying to determine who the next American president should be.
Where do the Republicans stand now that the Russian hacking of Democrats seems to be widening?
Since Republican leaders seem very comfortable with Trump urging his well-armed supporters to avoid an election by shooting Hillary Clinton, the involvement of Russians on Trump’s behalf is apparently no longer a big deal for people like Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, Mike Pence, Kevin McCarthy and John McClain.
Besides getting comfortable with the Russians, how do the establishment Republicans feel about becoming best buds with a character like Julian Assange of WikiLeaks?
Where do the Republicans stand now that the Russian hacking of Democrats seems to be widening?
Since Republican leaders seem very comfortable with Trump urging his well-armed supporters to avoid an election by shooting Hillary Clinton, the involvement of Russians on Trump’s behalf is apparently no longer a big deal for people like Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, Mike Pence, Kevin McCarthy and John McClain.
Besides getting comfortable with the Russians, how do the establishment Republicans feel about becoming best buds with a character like Julian Assange of WikiLeaks?
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It's interesting that you - and the NYT and most every other so-called "news" outlet out there have some sick need to attack and vilify both Trump and the Russians.
Trump had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Hillary Clinton intentionally used an unsecured emails system for four years to evade public scrutiny, to enable the State Department to lie to the public about not having information in response to FOIA requests, but most importantly - to hide evidence of her greedy, dangerous, and potentially illegal pay to play use of her position as Secretary of State.
As others have already stated, if we had a media that did their job and investigated and exposed this lying, cheating, dishonest hack of a political candidate, we'd have heard it from them and not the Russians.
But in light of the fact that we don't have any semblance of an honest media in America, personally I'm glad we have SOMEONE exposing the truth about Hillary Clinton's LIES. I'm glad voters can now see that when she claimed she'd returned all of her work-related emails, it's a FACT that she'd destroyed THOUSANDS of them exposing the fact that she sold out this country to the highest bidders for years.
Trump had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Hillary Clinton intentionally used an unsecured emails system for four years to evade public scrutiny, to enable the State Department to lie to the public about not having information in response to FOIA requests, but most importantly - to hide evidence of her greedy, dangerous, and potentially illegal pay to play use of her position as Secretary of State.
As others have already stated, if we had a media that did their job and investigated and exposed this lying, cheating, dishonest hack of a political candidate, we'd have heard it from them and not the Russians.
But in light of the fact that we don't have any semblance of an honest media in America, personally I'm glad we have SOMEONE exposing the truth about Hillary Clinton's LIES. I'm glad voters can now see that when she claimed she'd returned all of her work-related emails, it's a FACT that she'd destroyed THOUSANDS of them exposing the fact that she sold out this country to the highest bidders for years.
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Jayne, I’ve read your comment, and I’ll try to remember to check my laptop thesaurus for a softer synonym for “unhinged” before submitting this response. Let’s just say that they must be drinking the Kool-Aid by the barrel in Indianapolis, because there is nothing you have written which bears any resemblance to the truth. You use the exact same device your hero uses when he is caught in another blatant lie (which happens every day), you blame the media. At some point, it will dawn on Donald Trump that he is going to lose this election, but he will believe for the rest of his life that it must have been the fault of someone else. As they say in the GEICO ads, “that’s what narcissists do.” Oh, Jayne, I’ve found that synonym, and it will go well with your Kool-Aid: “crackers.”
So the Democrats and Clinton campaigns continue to insist it is the Russians to deflect from the contents of those emails. Perhaps this will be her excuse for starting World War 3 if elected. Perhaps there was no lesson learned from the fiasco of intelligence regarding weapons of mass destruction that led to the invasion of Iraq.
The media should print whatever WikkiLeaks uncovered and stop this charade of covering up.
The media should print whatever WikkiLeaks uncovered and stop this charade of covering up.
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How does one authenticate Wikileaks material?
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Your last sentence is puzzling, suaveadonis. Are you claiming the "media" is not "covering up" anything, but for some reason are merely pretending to do so? Also, your comment implies that you have complete trust in anything WikiLeaks puts out. Why is that? Do you think Julian Assange has some duty to avoid disclosing, for example, the identities of local agents who aid American military or intelligence officers?
The Russians have hacked Democrats' e-mail accounts. The GOP presidential candidate has encouraged them to do this. The Russians, so far, have not hacked GOP e-mail accounts. No one among the Democrats has encouraged them to do so.
At bottom line Trump has encouraged a form of spying by Russia. He has great admiration for Putin, former head of the KGB - Russia's spying agency. Trump will not release his tax returns, which might reveal sources of income from within or tied to Russia. Shades of "The Manchurian Candidate".
At bottom line Trump has encouraged a form of spying by Russia. He has great admiration for Putin, former head of the KGB - Russia's spying agency. Trump will not release his tax returns, which might reveal sources of income from within or tied to Russia. Shades of "The Manchurian Candidate".
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This does nothing more than emboldened my vote for the Democrat ticket. Roger Stone on video bragged about speaking with Assange. Of course, Stone could be lying, but regardless, such interference is unacceptable. Vote Blue.
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Not in a million years! There are responsible and credible third parties out there. Something the Dem party is not
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Frankly, Julian Assange needs to disappear.
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A sustained email hack and expose might be he best thing for the Democratic Party right now. Nothing released is going to harm Hillary Clinton's chances of being elected, because this election has virtually nothing to do with her: it is a straight referendum on Trump. Nothing more, nothing less. So, the Democrats may be forced to clear out their party of corruption and collusion, regain some moral standing and also win the White House. In the medium to long run it would be a very positive outcome for he party and be nation.
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What does it say about Hillary that she's been in politics for so many years and is the least-important part of a Presidential election? Just think, if Bill had married some other woman, this election would still be about Trump.
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The New Anarchy.
Putin + Trump + Assange = the end of a world with borders, laws, treaties, diplomacy, security, consequences.
Instead: Lies, manipulation, threats, assassination.
America will have to hold fast, elect decent people, try to do the right thing. It will be a long haul.
I wish we could keep President Obama awhile longer...
Putin + Trump + Assange = the end of a world with borders, laws, treaties, diplomacy, security, consequences.
Instead: Lies, manipulation, threats, assassination.
America will have to hold fast, elect decent people, try to do the right thing. It will be a long haul.
I wish we could keep President Obama awhile longer...
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Um, what "borders, laws, treaties, diplomacy, security or consequences" has Obama demonstrated? The borders are unsecure, the laws are whatever his phone and pen makes them, treaties are a joke, he doesn't comprehend diplomacy [as his Russian "reset" proved] he's in charge of all this security and avoids consequences.
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I'd love to know where anyone who claims we live in a "world with borders, laws, security, and consequences" gets their information from. Step outside of our comfort zone and examine some facts instead of soothing yourself with fantasy sometime.
Then perhaps you'll grasp what is happening in Europe (without borders) and here - in large part thanks to Obama refusing to enforce our nation's immigration laws.
As for "consequences", what a joke. Never in my lifetime has there been a presidential administration with so much scandal and so little punishment.
Then perhaps you'll grasp what is happening in Europe (without borders) and here - in large part thanks to Obama refusing to enforce our nation's immigration laws.
As for "consequences", what a joke. Never in my lifetime has there been a presidential administration with so much scandal and so little punishment.
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We may never be sure who hacked the DNC system what we are sure of the emails that are being released are exposing a corrupt party that will do about anything to win an election. This might be the ultimate justice in that that there own words defeated them. The best defense is not better security but never put anything in writing that you don't want public. I am sure we will see more emails both from the DNC and Hillary's home computer. No matter who hacked them or how many hackers there are the truth will come out.
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Do you think the RNC acts any differently internally?
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I believe - really believe - that Donald Trump is a madman. He is incapable of expressing himself with anything other that self-aggrandizement or ridicule. In his world, the world is there to serve his unquenchable need to inflict humiliation, pain, and subordination on the rest of the human race. Trump wants the Presidency to destroy America and the rest of the world as his greatest personal victory. He is psychologically destabilizing the United States. If he loses the election, he will not go away. He'll do all he can to destroy the legitimacy of the government - which is what he would do if elected. Trump is a media-sponsored virus in the national psyche.
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What I find most disturbing is that foreign entities are trying to swing our election. Russian hacking. Australian (Assange) "fencing". Against Democrats. And toward Trump - a manifestly dangerous, unprepared, impulsive con man.
As if that isn't bad enough too much of our ballot process involves electronics. Either voting machines. Or electronic counting.
We must do two things. One is to make sure an unfit GOP candidate gets nowhere near the levers of power. The other is to secure both the voting process and the counting and tabulating of votes.
We need to return to paper ballots. And we need to count the vote manually. And do a manual tabulation as well.
As if that isn't bad enough too much of our ballot process involves electronics. Either voting machines. Or electronic counting.
We must do two things. One is to make sure an unfit GOP candidate gets nowhere near the levers of power. The other is to secure both the voting process and the counting and tabulating of votes.
We need to return to paper ballots. And we need to count the vote manually. And do a manual tabulation as well.
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The NYT has no proof Russians hacked the server. Please provide proof. What happened to this paper? Stop insulting the intelligence of your readers.
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But if we assume the reason why Ms. Clinton's illegal servier emails may have been hacked is because the Russians are too clever to leave tracks, why do we assume they were NOT clever enough to hide their tracks with regard to the DNC hack? Or perhaps it is meant to LOOK like a Russian hack, but done by someone else?
Or perhaps the Russians WANTED it known that they had hacked the DNC, and thus making it appear (as the Democrats and media argue) that Putin supports Trump, a potential kiss of death? That would make sense if Putin prefers a weak on security, strong on welfare and political correctness, President like Hillary -- rather than the unpredictable and potentially militarily confrontational Trump? [What would happen if Trump simply banned all trade with Russia?]
And who actually is revealing the evidence but Julian Assange -- a character from the far left, who dislikes Hillary (not enough socialist bona fides yet, though she promises much, so long as Goldman Sachs approves) but loathes Trump. How likely is it that he wants to harm Hillary in favor of Trump?
Or perhaps the Russians WANTED it known that they had hacked the DNC, and thus making it appear (as the Democrats and media argue) that Putin supports Trump, a potential kiss of death? That would make sense if Putin prefers a weak on security, strong on welfare and political correctness, President like Hillary -- rather than the unpredictable and potentially militarily confrontational Trump? [What would happen if Trump simply banned all trade with Russia?]
And who actually is revealing the evidence but Julian Assange -- a character from the far left, who dislikes Hillary (not enough socialist bona fides yet, though she promises much, so long as Goldman Sachs approves) but loathes Trump. How likely is it that he wants to harm Hillary in favor of Trump?
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So let me get this straight ... DNC actively choosing & doing what they can to ensure Hillary is the candidate, laundering state party donations to the Hillary Victory Fund is NOT the problem. Being afraid of The Russians & Trumpzilla is the concern. Attack the whistle-blower, protect the people involved in the wrong-doing.
Outside of the US, our elections are a giant joke & look like a scam. We live in a bubble. If you still believe we have "fair & free" elections, then why don't we stop using the easily-hacked, untraceable voting machines and make voting easier! Hey, we could all vote thru the internet! They do it for American Idol!
Outside of the US, our elections are a giant joke & look like a scam. We live in a bubble. If you still believe we have "fair & free" elections, then why don't we stop using the easily-hacked, untraceable voting machines and make voting easier! Hey, we could all vote thru the internet! They do it for American Idol!
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I despise Trump, but this "Trump-Putin-Assange" conspiracy theory is the Democratic Party equivalent of Republican "Birther" nonsense. Where is the evidence?
Most material WikiLeaks releases is just that - leaks. Insiders, like Chelsea Manning, give the material to WikiLeaks; that is how most of their material is obtained.
Assange has said that the previous Democratic Party material was leaded by people in the party? And why not? If you want to speculate, the most likely source of the material was a disgruntled Bernie supporter in the party. Look at the number of votes Bernie got at the convention - he had a ton of supporters in the party.
And as we saw with the Debbie Wasserman Schultz purge, the Democratic Party is a snake pit of intrigue, as any political party would be. Who do you think joins these sorts of organizations? There are a lot of rotten apples in all of them.
Knock down Trump for being an ignoramus, knock down Trump for being a liar, knock down Trump for being a bigot, but don't make stuff up.
Most material WikiLeaks releases is just that - leaks. Insiders, like Chelsea Manning, give the material to WikiLeaks; that is how most of their material is obtained.
Assange has said that the previous Democratic Party material was leaded by people in the party? And why not? If you want to speculate, the most likely source of the material was a disgruntled Bernie supporter in the party. Look at the number of votes Bernie got at the convention - he had a ton of supporters in the party.
And as we saw with the Debbie Wasserman Schultz purge, the Democratic Party is a snake pit of intrigue, as any political party would be. Who do you think joins these sorts of organizations? There are a lot of rotten apples in all of them.
Knock down Trump for being an ignoramus, knock down Trump for being a liar, knock down Trump for being a bigot, but don't make stuff up.
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I want facts, not speculation.
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Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are like two blades of a defective electrical plug. The only way to avoid electrocution is never to use it.
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Putin, as reputedly smart as he is, has made a dreadful mistake. This blatant and criminal intrusion into American domestic political affairs will rebound hundredfold against him when Secretary Clinton is President. Democrats (and some Republicans) will not forget this profoundly hostile, nearly war-like act of Putin's. It will prove to be a fatally stupid act on Putin's part, and make no mistake that a Clinton administration will move swiftly to respond.
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Shirley, you jest. Putin will eat Hillary for breakfast, and regurgitate her before lunch.
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The 1980s called, they'd like their foreign policy back.
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I've often wondered why Martha Washington burned all her very personal letters from her husband. Just think of what might have been had they had the internet!
It has become obvious that no one in power or authority can escape the very real possibility that every thought and word put into email will be, at some point, made public.
At least, one could burn a paper letter. Now, even the deleted email can be found as, apparently, nothing is actually ever deleted for good.
It has become obvious that no one in power or authority can escape the very real possibility that every thought and word put into email will be, at some point, made public.
At least, one could burn a paper letter. Now, even the deleted email can be found as, apparently, nothing is actually ever deleted for good.
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I'm having a difficult time determining if the Russian angle should be taken seriously, or if its simply a deflection to move the conversation from the wrongs and questionable conduct these leaks detail, to worries over the return of the Evil Empire. Let's face it, The New York Times has been in Hillary Clinton's corner to such a degree it frequently seems like an extension of her campaign organization. And such deflection, would surely be beneficial to Ms. Clinton.
I've yet to see one single element of proof that Russians were actually involved with any of this. Just 'suggestions' by sources who, for the most part, are speaking off the record. When I see phrases in this article like, "v-i-r-t-u-a-l-l-y no doubt" the Russians are to blame, or that someone somewhere has "high confidence" they're responsible, it doesn't do very much to alleviate this concern.
So, it would be nice to see some actual proof of this Russian involvement. I would be most appreciative were the Times to report on that proof, if it indeed exists. That would seem to be far better than floating a spin until everyone begins to accept it, while never knowing exactly why they did so.
I've yet to see one single element of proof that Russians were actually involved with any of this. Just 'suggestions' by sources who, for the most part, are speaking off the record. When I see phrases in this article like, "v-i-r-t-u-a-l-l-y no doubt" the Russians are to blame, or that someone somewhere has "high confidence" they're responsible, it doesn't do very much to alleviate this concern.
So, it would be nice to see some actual proof of this Russian involvement. I would be most appreciative were the Times to report on that proof, if it indeed exists. That would seem to be far better than floating a spin until everyone begins to accept it, while never knowing exactly why they did so.
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This is typical DNC and their media networks propaganda. Blame Russia and Putin. They've run this story through every major network with zero proof. NSA whistleblower says DNC hack was not done by Russia, but by U.S. intelligence. google that story, its more believable then the Putin connection.
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As a manager, I often thought I was too tough on employees with my strict internet use policies --- now, I'm not sure I was tough enough.
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Do you know where all the USB ports are in your network?
Everyone needs to consider demanding encryption for all. Note the selectivity of Putin's leaks. If he dropped both party's poopers, I'd have more respect for him. So, what's it gonna be, NSA? Them or US?
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I see technology is hung up on slim as much as women in media, so fewer slots for carloads of data, but I still have a lot of old CDs to drive. Dad Nub it, I'm sick of keeping up with the noses. And now Toby's got a congestion problem, his fan's cranking.
I know it's not J-Trig, they never figured out how to bust down the Elephant door. Guns are for hacks. Sealed systems are for Yanks.
I know it's not J-Trig, they never figured out how to bust down the Elephant door. Guns are for hacks. Sealed systems are for Yanks.
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Assange was on Bill Maher's show last week. Maher asked him what his agenda was (apparently the real "news" media is too cowardly to ask Assange this) and if he planned on hacking Trump (particularly his tax returns). Assange said "We're working on it." Assange came off quite defensive and my impression of him was " I don't like this guy one bit. He's trying to make this all about him."
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I totally agree with your feelings about Assange in that interview....Really a creep meddling in our politics...
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Assange demonstrates the same inveterate reversion to deflection common to most right wing neurotics, most prominently Donald Trump.
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Immediately after the show Assange stated he only said he was "working on it" to appease Maher. He said he was actually NOT "working on it".
He has no credibility. Ecuador, kick him out!
He has no credibility. Ecuador, kick him out!
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It's quite obvious that Russia would love nothing more than having a moron in the White House- therefore, they are making every effort to meddle in this election and try to uncover any gotchas within the DNC to discredit HRC campaign.
Julian Assange is in this up to his teeth and he is another foreigner with interest in meddling and influencing in US elections.
I wonder why no one hacks into Putin's or Assange's personal emails? Oh yeah... Putin has a way of poisoning people who cross him.
Julian Assange is in this up to his teeth and he is another foreigner with interest in meddling and influencing in US elections.
I wonder why no one hacks into Putin's or Assange's personal emails? Oh yeah... Putin has a way of poisoning people who cross him.
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Professional spies don't want anyone to know who and what they have hacked. Nothing has changed since WW II, when decoded German and Japanese messages were not acted upon to preserve the secret that the enigma code had been broken.
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If this hack is the typical mole with a thumb drive job, Putin must be laughing his socks off.
OK, not inciting Russian hackers, but what do we imagine the NRA's email chains look like? Do we know Trump was telegraphing their latest ad runs in his "jokes" about shooting Hillary? He let one fly last Friday the press missed, but I didn't. He riffed on their ad pre-launch suggesting if Hillary gets rid of our guns she might have a disarmed detail...the crowd filled in the details for him as he left them all hanging.
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Nixon had his gang of helpers....google Watergate....Reagun had his, google Oliver North....Bushes had Cheney, Rove et al,.......... Trump has Putin. savor that
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Is the phrase "politically damaging" programmed into your keyboards? I would argue that if anyone has been "politically damaged" by the interference of the Russian government in our elections, it has been Donald Trump and the Republicans. Wasserman Schultz was in trouble long before these banal email revelations. ("Gasp, party people don't talk good about an interloper!") Bernie Sanders' fringe people were acting like the children of helicopter parents long before and wholly independent of the Russian hack revelations. The grownups in the Democratic establishment ultimately prevailed and deflected the silliness of the "revelations" (Ever actually sat in on how real people in any political organization talk among themselves?) and the net result of the Democratic party convention was not "political damaged" by any real world measure. On the contrary, as is becoming increasingly obvious, the Democrats are politically bulked up, not damaged. Trump's odd affection for Putin, on the other hand, has only been cast into sinister relief by the Russian active measures hack. By the way, how about publishing all the internal emails of your editors and reporters. Now THAT would be much more interesting and potentially "damaging" reading than a bunch of political professionals trash-talking. It ain't bean bag.
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"Politically bulked up"? I guess if you think "Vote Democrat! We refuse to take cybersecurity seriously no matter how many times we're wrong!" is a winning slogan. That and "We were warned four years ago that Russia was a danger and laughed it off."
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The strategy was firm from the top: Do not do the Republican's dirty work for them on Bernie.
Here is a question to consider. What if some clerical worker in the IRS makes a photo copy of Trump’s tax returns and puts it on line. What would Trump say? It’s made up or a product of a crime? Ah yes there is a double standard in this country one for Republicans and another for everyone else.
Whatever emails be released who says it is accurate or a real email? If the object is to tilt the election in favor of Trump, Putin’s man in the USA, why would anyone believe these bad faith disclosures are anything other than misinformation, disinformation or outright lies or doctored fakes?
Will we take the hackers’ word or Putin’s or Trump’s. Why would a patriotic media broadcast or publish the product of criminal activity calculated to elect someone whose election would be a national disaster and a boon to our enemies? Yet anyone can put anything on line. Who would believe? The answer is lawless un-Americans who hate this country and would destroy it with the power of hate. These “emails” should be treated as forgeries. Those whose private emails were hacked should point out that we have free speech and what is private is private and should remain private and no one need comment on private correspondence.
Whatever emails be released who says it is accurate or a real email? If the object is to tilt the election in favor of Trump, Putin’s man in the USA, why would anyone believe these bad faith disclosures are anything other than misinformation, disinformation or outright lies or doctored fakes?
Will we take the hackers’ word or Putin’s or Trump’s. Why would a patriotic media broadcast or publish the product of criminal activity calculated to elect someone whose election would be a national disaster and a boon to our enemies? Yet anyone can put anything on line. Who would believe? The answer is lawless un-Americans who hate this country and would destroy it with the power of hate. These “emails” should be treated as forgeries. Those whose private emails were hacked should point out that we have free speech and what is private is private and should remain private and no one need comment on private correspondence.
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Problem for you and the Democrats is the emails are not forgeries. Three people have already lost their jobs over them. The content is real and it is damning.
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If Democrats operated ethically, then they'd have nothing to fear about emails being released.
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That is not the point....really.
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were there "crimes" revealed in the last batch your criminal allies released? no--bias is not a crime, nor is it even "immoral." just "embarrassing." let's see what the RNC is emailing....considering that party's moral bankruptcy, i'd wager it's far more than just "embarrassing."
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It is clearly obvious that a foreign power and a non-state actor is attempting to circumvent the American electoral system for their benefit. Julian Assange, whether one likes it or not, is a serving as an agent of the Russian FSB and GRU. Notice only the Democrats are targeted, never the Republicans. By selectively leaking information, without attribution, is part of their agenda to either weaken the Clinton campaign or to insure a Trump victory. This effort at sabotage may or may work to their benefit. That is open to further speculation. But if anyone believes that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks is concerned with transparency and furthering democracy, they are backing the wrong horse. Instead, they are what V. I. Lenin called, "useful fools." Even more troubling, one question that the NYT and other media outlets has refused to ask, never mind answer, is why do the Russians and Assange want Trump to be the next American president? Do we even need to contemplate a response?
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Don't like the message so shoot the messenger? No one denies the content of the emails which shows how corrupt the Democratic party is. Don't get mad at the person who reveals the truth. Get mad at the people trying to circumvent democracy.
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And if you had a clue of what you were talking about you would not have made a statement like that. I have to assume that being manipulated by a foreign intelligence agency is more in line with your self realization than even you would like to think. We are not dealing with democracy, we are dealing with manipulation. If you don't realize that, then you need serious help. But for a Trump supporter, that's normal.
I suspect we won't be waiting long to see Mr. Assange removed from that embassy: the real question is, will that actually stop further releases of emails?
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Who cares who hacked and leaked. Assange? Snowden? Trump? The GOP/RNC? The NRA? Russia? China? The CIA? The FBI? The Secret Service? What if it was 'Anonymous'?
I'd like to who in the DNC – to the very last person – was involved in or had any knowledge of the plan to sabotage Bernie Sanders' campaign and who was idiotic enough to use unsecured means to do so.
THAT is "pinning the tail on the DONKEY".
I'd like to who in the DNC – to the very last person – was involved in or had any knowledge of the plan to sabotage Bernie Sanders' campaign and who was idiotic enough to use unsecured means to do so.
THAT is "pinning the tail on the DONKEY".
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Sabotage the Sanders campaign?....Wow, I thought the conspiracy theorists only commented on Facebook...Hillary won the primaries by more than 3 million votes
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Honestly? Glad these DNC hacks happened. Now there's no room for HRC apologists to claim the primary was anything but rigged in her favor from day one. Schultz had no intent of having a fair race or properly vetting candidates. She wanted a spot in the administration of the first female president. Even with her resigning in disgrace, she's got one.
The comments here are largely focused elsewhere: Hillary victimizing, Trump deflecting, and numerous variations on "the sky is falling and Russia is invading".
Funny how document leaks on corruption on matter when the military, the NSA, or a Republican president is involved. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
The comments here are largely focused elsewhere: Hillary victimizing, Trump deflecting, and numerous variations on "the sky is falling and Russia is invading".
Funny how document leaks on corruption on matter when the military, the NSA, or a Republican president is involved. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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The primaries were not rigged. She was favored yes as a long time worker in the DNC which Bernie conveniently joined a year before the primaries...She won by more than 3 million votes. I voted for Bernie, am a Democrat and take issue with your point of view...
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http://observer.com/2016/06/guccifer-2-0-leak-reveals-how-dnc-rigged-pri...
http://theantimedia.org/leaked-emails-dnc-rig-media-hillary/
http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-media-rigged-primary-clinton/
http://nypost.com/2016/06/16/leaked-document-shows-the-dnc-wanted-clinto...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-23/leaked-dnc-emails-confirm-democ...
I could go on. Reporters from WaPo were *literally* getting the approval of DNC and HRC staff before publishing stories about the rase. Unsurprisingly, between the "Billary so Poor" fluff piece they wrote this week and the endless flood of Trump non-stories, the Times has given little attention to the content and implications of these leaks.
My "point of view" is that democracy should be... ya know... actual democracy. If you take issue with that, maybe you're the problem, not me?
http://theantimedia.org/leaked-emails-dnc-rig-media-hillary/
http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-media-rigged-primary-clinton/
http://nypost.com/2016/06/16/leaked-document-shows-the-dnc-wanted-clinto...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-23/leaked-dnc-emails-confirm-democ...
I could go on. Reporters from WaPo were *literally* getting the approval of DNC and HRC staff before publishing stories about the rase. Unsurprisingly, between the "Billary so Poor" fluff piece they wrote this week and the endless flood of Trump non-stories, the Times has given little attention to the content and implications of these leaks.
My "point of view" is that democracy should be... ya know... actual democracy. If you take issue with that, maybe you're the problem, not me?
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We have a foreign power intentionally meddling in our electoral politics, attempting to sabotage, or at least damage, the Democratic party and its nominee going into the election.
We have a Republican nominee, a brash, wheeler-dealer billionaire (supposedly) who is playing footsie under the table with a Russian dictator, and god knows how many Russian oligarchs. He also, conveniently, refuses to release his taxes, which may contain damning evidence of financial ties and obligations to Russian interests.
Finally, we have the leader of Wikileaks, who has in the past illuminated interesting and useful things about geopolitics. However, these leaks seem like a blatant personal vendetta. I wonder if he's been offered exoneration, should the Republican candidate win? That's just random speculation on my part, admittedly.
First, the DNC should be certain to up its digital security- no brainer. Second, the Republican nominee should release his full, non-redacted tax returns, so the American people can determine once and for all whether his flirtation with Russia is hot air, or whether he is legitimately compromised. And third, the national security apparatus should up its vigilance and defense, to ensure this meddling in our internal electoral politics does not continue. This is an issue of national security.
We have a Republican nominee, a brash, wheeler-dealer billionaire (supposedly) who is playing footsie under the table with a Russian dictator, and god knows how many Russian oligarchs. He also, conveniently, refuses to release his taxes, which may contain damning evidence of financial ties and obligations to Russian interests.
Finally, we have the leader of Wikileaks, who has in the past illuminated interesting and useful things about geopolitics. However, these leaks seem like a blatant personal vendetta. I wonder if he's been offered exoneration, should the Republican candidate win? That's just random speculation on my part, admittedly.
First, the DNC should be certain to up its digital security- no brainer. Second, the Republican nominee should release his full, non-redacted tax returns, so the American people can determine once and for all whether his flirtation with Russia is hot air, or whether he is legitimately compromised. And third, the national security apparatus should up its vigilance and defense, to ensure this meddling in our internal electoral politics does not continue. This is an issue of national security.
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Trump says a lot of strange stuff that is easy to attack, so why attack him for something he never said? About the hacking, what he said was that Russia probably already had the 33,000 emails that were lost and maybe they could go find them, I
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Let's think about this for a minute. Why would Putin & Co. want to see Donald Trump elected over Hillary Clinton. What's in it for the Russians?
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Fewer uranium sales than Hillary offers. Why would they want uranium?
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Keep watching, Lee! Trump asks if we wouldn't like to be friends with Russians. Didn't believe Putin had intruded into Ukraine, it's justified based on Putin's claims. Wants to remove the sanctions for invading Ukraine, and likes what Putin has to say about him. He's for dumping the Baltics, but he thinks it's just a monopoly game!
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Trump was trying to buy some land and build in Russia so just maybe that might be a reason.
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In a normal world with normal candidates, both parties would be strongly criticizing Russia's actions, but Trump called for it!
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This article is 2% about what the leaked emails show and 98% speculation that Russia may be behind it. Did I mention scary RUSSIA may be behind it? Just wanted to make sure that is clear. Don't worry about what the emails show, that is irrelevant!
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Attempts by foreign operators to affect the outcome of a presidential election are not likely to be well received by the general population. Unless there is a smoking gun, emails of the type we've already seen, are just as likely to have the opposite effect as the meddlers intend.
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Interesting. They haven't been able to hack into Hillary Clinton's own email system, showing it to be more secure than the haters would have us believe.
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You don't really believe that her goofy unauthorized unsecured private server set-up was not hacked, do you? How naïve...
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The FBI said "..we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account."
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Putting anything on the Internet that is highly confidential or personal is extremely foolish knowing that your emails can possibly be read by others. Hillary Clinton is an intelligent woman and should have known better than to have written about things that she wanted to keep private. She is probably wondering to herself what she said in her thousands of emails that can be used against her.
Donald Trump was smart not to use email and now he can rest knowing that his detractors can not use this against him. The old saying "never put anything in writing that you do not want anyone to read" certainly applies to Mrs. Clinton.
Her advisors should have advised her against this practice and now she has to worry about what confidential and damaging information may have been used against her. Not too bright on her part and makes one wonder if she is presidential material.
Donald Trump was smart not to use email and now he can rest knowing that his detractors can not use this against him. The old saying "never put anything in writing that you do not want anyone to read" certainly applies to Mrs. Clinton.
Her advisors should have advised her against this practice and now she has to worry about what confidential and damaging information may have been used against her. Not too bright on her part and makes one wonder if she is presidential material.
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Your banking data is on the internet if you use on-line banking. Doctor's offices now have you access your private test results using the internet. Most of us now file taxes electronically. It's ridiculous to act as if someone is careless for using the internet, especially if she has arranged for a private server.
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I think these emails leaked are not from Hillary but people in Dem party....you know everyone has opinions...snail mail is safer....and as someone pointed out, anyone could be making up emails and calling them hacks
This could be another Watergate, where Trump is directly linked to conspiring with the Russians to seek to destroy the DNC and Hillary. I hate conspiracy theories, but Trump is talking about damaging NATO, is it really so far fetched? Where there is smoke there is fire, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were not a direct connection.
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Does anyone doubt that there will be an "October surprise" released by Wikileaks? And there is enough dirt on both candidates it could embarrass either Trump or Clinton, or both.
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This article is another masterpiece propaganda and diversion. The undeniable fact that democratic process in this country is corrupted and is all but bankrupt —is not important. But the concocted fairytale that Russians did it — is. And how do we know that they were Russians? Because they were “far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind”. Who needs evidence, when everyone already “anonymously” agreed that Russians did it? This is what is being passed as journalism these days.
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Sorry, no Cyrillic characters on my keyboard, but "Spaseeba, Vlad".
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Thumb drives leave no evidence behind.
Julian Assange needs to be treated as the suspect he is, and not as some sort of hero by some on the political fringes. What noble impulses can be ascribed to someone with a vicious personal agenda to play partisan politics in a country not his own? It is past time that he is removed to Sweden for questioning.
Undisputed is the fact that if he was an American student or athlete or worst of all, a fraternity member, many would be calling for his blood, or at least his forced extradition. Is the alleged victim in Sweden to be forgotten by feminists, who are predictably silent?
Undisputed is the fact that if he was an American student or athlete or worst of all, a fraternity member, many would be calling for his blood, or at least his forced extradition. Is the alleged victim in Sweden to be forgotten by feminists, who are predictably silent?
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Someone needs to be unafraid to tell the whole truth. Julian Assange is an intellectual who has taken on that role. We need more people like him.
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The Swedish case is a bit shaky because the woman had already consented to sex and was in bed with him. That being said, his venomous attacks on Clinton are truly criminal and appear to be playing into Putin's hands. Perhaps, he's angling for Russia to give him asylum. It certainly seems like it.
In all fairness, if your going to look at one political parties dirty laundry then you need to see the other party's too. Does anybody really think that the RNC and Republican Party leaders don't have emails that they would find embarrassing or reveal a damaging political process that sometimes presses against the boundaries of ethics and legality?
The old adage applies: Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Until somebody steals republican emails or files endless freedom of information requests to make public say Paul Ryan's or Trey Gowdy's emails, we cannot really know the whole truth about our political leaders and process and subject one party (in this case the democrats and Clinton) to a higher standard.
Finally, I'm not convinced that gaining some kind of nefarious insight on the democrats via stolen emails from an adversarial nation like Russia is prudent. We need to consider the source and motives of the Russians or anybody else who tries to throw an American presidential race. That in-itself is more nefarious and dangerous than what the emails actually show us, which typically isn't much other than people in politics are –gasp– not saints.
The old adage applies: Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Until somebody steals republican emails or files endless freedom of information requests to make public say Paul Ryan's or Trey Gowdy's emails, we cannot really know the whole truth about our political leaders and process and subject one party (in this case the democrats and Clinton) to a higher standard.
Finally, I'm not convinced that gaining some kind of nefarious insight on the democrats via stolen emails from an adversarial nation like Russia is prudent. We need to consider the source and motives of the Russians or anybody else who tries to throw an American presidential race. That in-itself is more nefarious and dangerous than what the emails actually show us, which typically isn't much other than people in politics are –gasp– not saints.
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It would be difficult to make allegations that the Republicans fixed their primaries since they ended up with a candidate that they didn't want and now seem to be running away from. While most certainly RNC emails would reveal some eyebrow raising gossip, Trump's defects are easy to see as he is not afraid to expose himself to the press, Twitter and interviews. The news is almost 24/7 about Trump, all of it critical in the mainstream papers. And I am not saying that there is not a lot to criticize and wondered why it wasn't done earlier in the primaries.
Instead of the mawkish pieces in yesterday's papers about poor Hillary having to work or a ridiculous examination of their homes, one posher than the next, perhaps the piece published should have been an in depth study of the Clinton Foundation, the good, the bad, possible conflicts of interest and the impression the Foundation leaves on the voter.
A more even handed approach in the press coverage of the primary candidates, including at the beginning when there were more than two candidates, might have resulted in a bit less anger over the revelations in the leaks.
Instead of the mawkish pieces in yesterday's papers about poor Hillary having to work or a ridiculous examination of their homes, one posher than the next, perhaps the piece published should have been an in depth study of the Clinton Foundation, the good, the bad, possible conflicts of interest and the impression the Foundation leaves on the voter.
A more even handed approach in the press coverage of the primary candidates, including at the beginning when there were more than two candidates, might have resulted in a bit less anger over the revelations in the leaks.
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Anything taken out of context is even more subject to misinterpretation than normal.
Is anyone else baffled by this statement (which I've seen repeated many times):
"The F.B.I. says it has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else. But in June, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that intruders had tried, and that any successful intruders were probably far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind. Law enforcement officials said he had the Russians in mind."
How is it that the hackers who allegedly must have successfully breached Clinton's private email server were "too skilled" to leave any trace, and yet we can pinpoint with complete certainty that Russia was the one to hack the DNC and related accounts?
"The F.B.I. says it has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else. But in June, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that intruders had tried, and that any successful intruders were probably far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind. Law enforcement officials said he had the Russians in mind."
How is it that the hackers who allegedly must have successfully breached Clinton's private email server were "too skilled" to leave any trace, and yet we can pinpoint with complete certainty that Russia was the one to hack the DNC and related accounts?
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Perhaps they never hacked her emails on her server, and Comey was speculating that they could have....However obviously the DNC was not that secure and then there's Assange with his personal vendetta against the Clintons
Because the citizenry and public opinion are shamelessly manipulated with coordinated disinformation and propaganda campaigns.
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If the hackers leave before they are discovered, then they very well may not leave any traces. If they are discovered while their hacks are active, it is possible to examine them. Based on the code and analysis of previous incursions, the origin of the hack can be determined in some cases. It just depends on how novel the code is and whether it has leaked out to the wild for others to leverage.
I don't know, people are saying it, but perhaps Putin's emails in the RNC trove are why they are a no fly zone?
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I'm hearing that, as well. Believe me.
I do, and since you said so, now everyone is saying it!
Where is The Times' front page, above the fold article on the developing scandal of pay for play between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State? Thanks to Russian hackers, we already know that the Democrat National Committee and its disgraced chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz were in the tank for Hillary during the primaries. Now it's time for The Times and like minded liberal mainstream media outlets to tell us the truth about the tens of millions that went to the Clinton Foundation in exchange for favors to foreign countries and businesses doled out by the State Department during Hillary's tenure. That is if The Times has any journalistic integrity left.
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“A Russian cyberattack that targeted Democratic politicians was bigger than it first appeared…”
“The F.B.I. says it has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else.”
If we’re going to start making stuff up, how do you know it wasn’t the RNC?
Nobody actually knows who hacked. State hacking is happening all the time. US, China, Russia, Europe....everyone is trying to hack everyone.
It may not even be one person\organization. WikiLeaks doesn’t know the source. How can you? What is important? Is the information true and accurate?
Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Aarron Shwartz, C Manning. ALL HEROES!
“The F.B.I. says it has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else.”
If we’re going to start making stuff up, how do you know it wasn’t the RNC?
Nobody actually knows who hacked. State hacking is happening all the time. US, China, Russia, Europe....everyone is trying to hack everyone.
It may not even be one person\organization. WikiLeaks doesn’t know the source. How can you? What is important? Is the information true and accurate?
Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Aarron Shwartz, C Manning. ALL HEROES!
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ASSANGE is an ego maniac...creep
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Honestly, I'm just about at the point of saying "Let's split things up now, and avoid the coming civil war." I just don't want to share my country with people who are so anxious to elect a tawdry, intellectually challenged huckster to the presidency that they are ok with Russia interfering in our elections. I'm tired of birtherism, my tax dollars being spend on investigations that go no where and do nothing to improve this country. I'm tired of hearing people shout kill her and the n-word at rallies, of people pretending political correctness is a bigger problem than hungry children, falling bridges, and stagnant wages. I'm tired beyond measure of the do-nothing Republicans in Congress. So take your country back. If you are a red state who takes more in federal dollars than you send, you can leave. If the majority of your citizens think that Obama is a Kenyan or a Muslim, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Go ahead and make abortion illegal, underfund your schools and forbid the teaching of sex ed and evolution, and try to live off farming without our federal subsidies. Keep all your guns. Heck, buy as many as you want. Keep your oil; we'll take wind and solar. Elect Trump for your country, and we'll take Hillary. Your Koch brothers can keep on spending money to investigate her and fill your papers with her "scandals". But your deranged conspiracy theories won't be our problem any more.
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" that they are ok with Russia interfering in our elections. I'm tired of birtherism"
You're tired of birtherism, yet you accept without evidence that Russia is interfering with the American elections? Okaaay...
You're tired of birtherism, yet you accept without evidence that Russia is interfering with the American elections? Okaaay...
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Read what I wrote. I didn't say anything about whether I believed that or not. I'm not ok with people being ok with Russian interference, regardless of whether or not it is true.
Birtherism on the other hand is straight-out whack.
Birtherism on the other hand is straight-out whack.
Who would you prefer we sock it to? If this were Donald, maybe he'd blame SONY?
I don't get it. What part of the word "security" is it that people don't understand? Business and organizations have been hacked for years yet tens of thousands of business and organizations continue to operate in la-la land when it comes to protecting their computer systems. Second, I don't get why anyone would put something in an email they wouldn't want printed on the front page of the New York Times. The rule is never, never, never, ever put anything in an email you don't want the world to know. The computer systems of our government have been hacked, the systems of our largest corporations, and the systems of various organizations. What further evidence does a person need to know that these systems are inherently unsafe and unsecured?
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How does the FBI or anyone know that a server being used to hack an account isn't a passthrough server? How does it know that a hacker didn't hack Russian servers to hide his/her actions and blame the Russians? How do we know that some guy working for the NSA didn't hack the Dems? The Times propaganda machine rolls on.
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I can only imagine if instead of the Democrats that Republicans were having to deal with the release of illegally obtained email messages. They would be calling for a total ban on any other candidate except Donald Trump since email message release would prove that this election is rigged.
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Okay, granted Trump is not Presidential material, but at what point does Clinton become "not Presidential material"? Many serial killers are smart, competent people who are good at their job, BUT they are still serial killers. Voting for Hillary isnt voting for the lesser evil, it is voting FOR evil.
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The Russian Business Network is one of the top hacking operations. That does not mean that the hacking was done by the Russian government. Also, the FBI, CIA, DIA, Secret Service and especially the NSA is livid with Hillary. I have suspected at some time during this campaign an envelope with damaging material would mysteriously appear, and it already has. In fact the safest place for Hillary may be anywhere but the White House.
Sure the intel agencies that hate Hillary say it was the Russians, sure they do. We don't know, that is for sure.
Sure the intel agencies that hate Hillary say it was the Russians, sure they do. We don't know, that is for sure.
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Where is the indictment against Assange? Do we have an extradition treaty with Ecuador? If not, there need to be consequences to Ecuador for facilitating the crimes of such a dangerous person. I am amazed that the Obama DOJ and State Department have done nothing about this menace.
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If the Russians wanted to be really helpful they'd get us Trump's tax returns. My guess is Vladimir has told everyone to leave his buddy Donald alone.
I can't imagine anything more dreary than reading the e-mails of a bunch of Democratic Poobahs.
I can't imagine anything more dreary than reading the e-mails of a bunch of Democratic Poobahs.
Has it occurred to Putin that his buddy Trump may not win? And then what? Putin has to deal with Hillary Clinton for the next four to eight years, and just how amiable does he think she is going to be toward him after his cyber-goons have spent months of shabby tactics trying to destroy her?
Like Trump he doesn't think through the long term consequences.
Like Trump he doesn't think through the long term consequences.
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Putin's spent decades watching the world, and surviving in the KGB/Soviet Union/Russia. Even Trump has to make business decisions that won't come to fruition for a decade and decide whether or not to pay the demanded government bribes in the meantime or two elections later.
As opposed to Hillary, who by her own admission wasn't thinking when she became Secretary of State and set the standard for DWS and the DNC to follow? Is that the kind of long-term consequences you meant?
As opposed to Hillary, who by her own admission wasn't thinking when she became Secretary of State and set the standard for DWS and the DNC to follow? Is that the kind of long-term consequences you meant?
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Long-term consequences means Putin instigating war in Crimea and seeing Russia take a huge economic hit from sanctions - he did not think that out. And Trump advocating racism by spuriously insisting that Obama was born in Africa, or building a wall that won't do the job, or suggesting assassination as a "2nd Amendment Solution". That is thinking out consequences means.
Glad to be of help to you!
Glad to be of help to you!
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How could Senator Clinton protect herself from e-mails fabricated by the Russian intelligence service then released through WikiLeaks? As we head into mid October, I'm very worried about this. There would be enough time to disseminate these widely and not enough time to discredit them.
The bogus lawsuit brought by Pat Smith would fit well with this.
The bogus lawsuit brought by Pat Smith would fit well with this.
There is another issue that your story fails to mention. What exactly was in those emails anyway? It's the same with the first leak, which had information about how the Democrats tried to undermine Sanders campaign. Although the Times took the stance that there was no proof that it actually did harm his campaign, you barely even wrote about some of the tactics that were used, which Matt Taibbi explained in great detail in Rolling Stone. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/dnc-leak-shows-mechanics-o...
Yes, it is frightening and obnoxious that the Russians may have hacked into the email of one political party. But it is also frightening and obnoxious that the party itself may have tried to shrew the election towards their preferred candidate. How is that democracy?To any commenters who will write that Sanders wasn't even a Democrat. Well he has caucused with the Democrats for years and the party did let him run as a Democrat, so he should have been treated fairly for his sake, the sake of his millions of supporters and for the country itself.
Yes, it is frightening and obnoxious that the Russians may have hacked into the email of one political party. But it is also frightening and obnoxious that the party itself may have tried to shrew the election towards their preferred candidate. How is that democracy?To any commenters who will write that Sanders wasn't even a Democrat. Well he has caucused with the Democrats for years and the party did let him run as a Democrat, so he should have been treated fairly for his sake, the sake of his millions of supporters and for the country itself.
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Trump invited the Russian gov't to interfere with our internal elections, so isn't he a co-conspirator? Doesn't this disqualify him from being President? Can you imagine what Fox News would be doing if Clinton or Obama had made such a statement?
I know it's a mistake to see political opponents as evil, rather than just people with different opinions. But. I don't know. Trump seems evil.
I know it's a mistake to see political opponents as evil, rather than just people with different opinions. But. I don't know. Trump seems evil.
In more important news the DNC was conspiring against Bernie during the Democrat primaries. The emails show this.
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Anonymous source opinions are not facts, especially in this situation. "According to one staff member'....who "has no doubt" that they did it. Really? This new declaration is based upon one anonymous staff member? A staff member belonging to WHOM? Or intelligence who says yeah, they probably did it but are too clever to leave tracks. How about, we're too stupid to figure out what occurred? We have no real evidence as to what occurred or how far the breach went? So all we really have is: someone hacked us, we don't know how far it went, we don't know what they have, and we don't know who it is, but we're sort of guessing who'd want to do it. And like all of the other hackings that has happened over the past few years with information of government employees stolen, you'd think that we'd shut the barn door and put a few locks on it by now, but obviously haven't. But here's the rub: Even if you do have a security apparatus, that doesn't matter if you don't take security seriously. If you avoid using the protocols, it's like driving on the freeway without brakes. My question is, how can we spend billions and billions of dollars on the NSA with their massive collection computers and we still don't know? Either one of two things is happening: We either know and we're not telling, so all of this noise is political propaganda, OR we're spending billions of dollars on nothing of value.
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Still pushing the Russian side. Its a nice tactic to pull attention to what really happened. It also puts it on Trump. Anything the media and the Dems can do they will. Truth is one of their own decided to share a little info. If our government doesn't block the facts, they will eventually come out. However, up to this point, Hillary has been Teflon. Lies, deceit, and cover ups have worked well for her.
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Is this an Onion article? There is no evidence that Russia did the hack. Zero. Assange himself has ruled out a Russian source. This article is disingenuous and you are lying to your readers.
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Assange, an accused rapist who has a personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton, is not a credible source of information. Numerous law enforcement and independent security consultants have agreed that the forensic evidence points squarely at Russia as the source of the hack.
If you are so keen to support Assange, you might want to ask him about his ties to Vlad Putin's government. Why does he refuse to release the documents that he has that expose the depth of Putin's corruption? Why does Assange, who purports to support journalistic freedom, remain silent as Putin assassinates reporters and clamps down on independent journalists?
If you are so keen to support Assange, you might want to ask him about his ties to Vlad Putin's government. Why does he refuse to release the documents that he has that expose the depth of Putin's corruption? Why does Assange, who purports to support journalistic freedom, remain silent as Putin assassinates reporters and clamps down on independent journalists?
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Kurt, if you want to play that game, then maybe that's why NJ AG Christie ignored criminal complaints against Murdoch hackers here, and let them settle it in civil court for $29 million bucks?
Or maybe Christie was just too busy making appearances in Ft. Lee on FOX running for Guv'na? I don't know. It is really hard to nail down the doer, but the Brits got a Murdoch reporter hacking a blogger with a college libray computer. And this was their "top flight" paper's reporter, not one of those Red Top hacks.
Or maybe Christie was just too busy making appearances in Ft. Lee on FOX running for Guv'na? I don't know. It is really hard to nail down the doer, but the Brits got a Murdoch reporter hacking a blogger with a college libray computer. And this was their "top flight" paper's reporter, not one of those Red Top hacks.
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Next time I see him, I'll ask.
There is a saying: Character is what you do when no one is looking.
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So, the RNC must be full of them!
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The Clintons have no qualms about accepting money from anyone. And they will do it for fellow democrats too, raise money for them, by hook or crook.
"Democrats say they are bracing for the possibility that another batch of damaging or embarrassing internal material could become public before the November presidential election."
Pretty pathetic that they know there's more to hide and they're afraid that the American people might find the truth. People who continue to support Hilary Clinton are blind and need to wash the blue off of their brains.
Johnson/Weld 2016, America's only legitimate candidate
Pretty pathetic that they know there's more to hide and they're afraid that the American people might find the truth. People who continue to support Hilary Clinton are blind and need to wash the blue off of their brains.
Johnson/Weld 2016, America's only legitimate candidate
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Clinton's horrific baggage, lack of personality and apparent corruption have become so great that Trump may actually beat her. The State Dept./Clinton Foundation collusion is likely to bury her. If the main goal is to keep Trump out, the DNC should admit its wrongdoing against the Sanders campaign, force Clinton out and replace her with Bernie.
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Why doesn't Putin expose the RNC's email exchanges?
Because they are full of vile jokes about women and watermelons? I bet they have more to be ashamed of, but let's remember, Trump doesn't stand by anyone, just guns. I'd rather have a duplicitous DNC than a nominee who is taking talking points from NRA to inflame a debate about whether it's OK to joke about shooting Hillary. Is Putin behind the NRA? I imagine he'd love for us to shoot ourselves.
I guess the press missed Trump's first round, Friday in Green Bay, when he opined that she has a detail which might wind up disarmed if she takes away our guns, and then let the audience imagine the potential damage they could inflict in that instance. Lots of laughs. And a riff on the coming NRA ad.
Pure telepathy of the NRA's latest round of shots. NRA invented this latest siege, and Donald helped.
Because they are full of vile jokes about women and watermelons? I bet they have more to be ashamed of, but let's remember, Trump doesn't stand by anyone, just guns. I'd rather have a duplicitous DNC than a nominee who is taking talking points from NRA to inflame a debate about whether it's OK to joke about shooting Hillary. Is Putin behind the NRA? I imagine he'd love for us to shoot ourselves.
I guess the press missed Trump's first round, Friday in Green Bay, when he opined that she has a detail which might wind up disarmed if she takes away our guns, and then let the audience imagine the potential damage they could inflict in that instance. Lots of laughs. And a riff on the coming NRA ad.
Pure telepathy of the NRA's latest round of shots. NRA invented this latest siege, and Donald helped.
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Wasn't the Clinton Foundation the organization that was receiving millions from Russian donors? Didn't Bill Clinton receive millions in payments for speeches in Moscow? One can easily establish a more direct relationship between the Clintons and Russia than between Trump and Russia.
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Indeed, was it not the ClintonFoundation that facilitated the deal from which Russian interests acquired 20% of all US uranium extraction capacity?
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Maybe Trump has already seen the RNC's emails, and this is why he's so miffed with Ryan.
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Folks -- scientists looking at this remember "climategate" -- that was never solved as to who did the hack but there was a strong presumption that the Russians did it to stop the progress of international climate accords, and one can conclude that it was one of the most effective use of hacking and information release for political advantage we have seen to date, even though the reality of what was released produced no evidence of any scientific misconduct of any kind, nor impugned the scientific reality of AGW. It just outed a lot of snarky scientist's conversations, and great play was made of that.
All of this DNC hack so far just shows that DWS wasn't fair-minded, but so far there's no evidence of anything prosecutable, no evidence really of anything beyond politics as-it-is.
All of this DNC hack so far just shows that DWS wasn't fair-minded, but so far there's no evidence of anything prosecutable, no evidence really of anything beyond politics as-it-is.
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A mole with a thumb drive is all it takes.
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It seems to me that it's time to stop manufacturing a "blame the messenger" story when the more important news is the substance of the e-mails which portray a mendacious Democratic Party. Moreover, if it was so easy to hack into the accounts of the DNC, it's not too difficult to imagine the same scenario with respect to Secretary Clinton's e-mail account. We seem to be living in a country where those in charge believe there is no need to worry about accountability for their conduct.
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yes, i'm sure internal communications of the RNC would reveal nothing but cute puppy images and daily inspirational messages. how comfortable you right-wingers are with 1) a hostile foreign power spying on us and interfering in our politics, 2) a hostile criminal fugitive commiting crimes from afar like a pathetic coward. gee, and y'all say hilary will do anything to feed her nefarious ambition!
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There are some ridiculous arguments here in support of illegal hacking of the Democratic Party's computers, theft and publishing of emails for partisan political purposes. This sounds like arguments that rape defendants make:"I could tell by the way she was dressed that she was asking for it. I just held her accountable for her conduct."
The real danger we face is the liberal establishment, lead by this newspaper, will ignore the racism, misogyny, and general attitude of contempt for "average" Americans by the leaders of the democrat party. Time after time the true colors of this group comes to the surface and excuses are offered and forgiveness achieved. In this case blame will be deflected onto wkileaks, Trump or the Russians.
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People in this country are once again being taken for ride on the corporate media propaganda cart. The approach is almost furmulaic, and yet lots of people fall for it.
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I think the notion of any real privacy is naive and absurd because the reality is that most if not all businesses, banks, organizations, govt agencies etc have already been hacked,(broken into in the brick & mortar world). So we are all upset when the media says its The Russians....The Chinese, Isis. At least he Mafia Dons of the past knew how to conduct business privately/secretly...nothing written, nothing on the phone, communications were tightly controlled and narrow. The use of a separate server is far different the another email account, very different issues and those differences should be made clear to the public by the Press. How careless and sloppy these people have been.....it concerns me that they don't seem to get how it all works.
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Shouldn't much of the outrage be directed at our own security agencies who appear to be incapable of stopping cyber attacks on not just politicians and their staff members but also on the Pentagon and various American banks and businesses? Target was hacked, Chase was hacked etc.
If you don't think that the hack of only the DNC e-mails is being done by a foreign entity that wants to harm Clinton's campaign then you are naïve. If this wasn't a concerted effort to harm Clinton -- the hack would have happened to the RNC too. Instead a foreign entity -- namely Russia with it's ties to Trump and Manafort -- wants to skew the election.
The prior e-mail dump was meaningless. It was the equivalent of a meeting in which DNC staffers tossed around ideas about how to best help their candidate win. It's the kind of stuff that happens every day in business as well as politics, people plan, people make suggestions, some ideas fly others are shot down. The e-mails were a big bunch of nothing but there are dumb people in this country who will fall for anything and immediately jump to the conclusion that that there was something "there" because some in the media says there was. Pathetic.
If you don't think that the hack of only the DNC e-mails is being done by a foreign entity that wants to harm Clinton's campaign then you are naïve. If this wasn't a concerted effort to harm Clinton -- the hack would have happened to the RNC too. Instead a foreign entity -- namely Russia with it's ties to Trump and Manafort -- wants to skew the election.
The prior e-mail dump was meaningless. It was the equivalent of a meeting in which DNC staffers tossed around ideas about how to best help their candidate win. It's the kind of stuff that happens every day in business as well as politics, people plan, people make suggestions, some ideas fly others are shot down. The e-mails were a big bunch of nothing but there are dumb people in this country who will fall for anything and immediately jump to the conclusion that that there was something "there" because some in the media says there was. Pathetic.
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Maybe it wasn't the Russians? Maybe it was an inside job? In which case, making it almost impossible to prevent. Yesterday, Assange stopped just short of actually saying that Seth Rich was the hacker.
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"The prior e-mail dump was meaningless. It was the equivalent of a meeting in which DNC staffers tossed around ideas about how to best help their candidate win. "
Nonsense...the DNC by mission is supposed to be impartial. Why would these staffers even be thinking of how to undermine another candidate.
Seems like Dems nowadays approve of cheats and liars
Nonsense...the DNC by mission is supposed to be impartial. Why would these staffers even be thinking of how to undermine another candidate.
Seems like Dems nowadays approve of cheats and liars
The number one cause of system compromise is human error. Somebody clicks on something they shouldn't or freely provides information to the wrong place. In the modern era, that part is relatively easy. The compromise could be a phishing email with a call to action or just reading a password off a wayward post-it note. Not very sophisticated. That's why protocols exist. To stop people from doing stupid things.
Once the intruder has access though, the hard part is keeping their presence unknown for as long as possible. Good hackers prefer to siphon the tank rather than blow the car up. That's the strange part about this story. I doubt a sophisticated foreign intelligence agency would turn off the spigot for such a marginal gain. This hack could have led to higher intelligence while the outcome of the election, so far, is hardly altered. To me that would suggest they already have everything they need, the sources were likely to be discovered or rendered useless soon anyway, and/or someone else was involved that wanted the documents made public.
In any event, the news makes the Democrats look pretty bad. No system is impervious but clearly some mistakes were made. Actually, someone should send them the three letters joke. Meanwhile, we'll wait to see the next shoe that drops.
Once the intruder has access though, the hard part is keeping their presence unknown for as long as possible. Good hackers prefer to siphon the tank rather than blow the car up. That's the strange part about this story. I doubt a sophisticated foreign intelligence agency would turn off the spigot for such a marginal gain. This hack could have led to higher intelligence while the outcome of the election, so far, is hardly altered. To me that would suggest they already have everything they need, the sources were likely to be discovered or rendered useless soon anyway, and/or someone else was involved that wanted the documents made public.
In any event, the news makes the Democrats look pretty bad. No system is impervious but clearly some mistakes were made. Actually, someone should send them the three letters joke. Meanwhile, we'll wait to see the next shoe that drops.
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What it shows is that Russian hackers are indeed working hand in hand with Trump and/or the GOP.
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Hardly fair when the RNC was regularly dumping folks who got caught sending outrageously racist or sexist emails. Details, details.
Where's the others' half, Putin? Too ugly to retail?
Where's the others' half, Putin? Too ugly to retail?
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Who is the official russian hacking agency? The piece indicates that in fact the dnc does not lock up the car at night. Yea, you can claim its the robbers fault BUT leaving the car unlocaked with jewelry out on the front seat, isnt very smart.
If the DNC had nothing to hide, this wouldnt be an issue..........would it.
If the DNC had nothing to hide, this wouldnt be an issue..........would it.
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Interesting that Russia and Assange are supporting Trump, when many Republicans are running away from him.
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Last I heard, Assange despises both candidates, referring to them as "cholera and gonorrhea." I'm sure if he had RNC emails, he would be equally happy to share those.
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I am not interested in the contents of stolen emails from the Democratic Party. I am very interested in Trump not becoming president, a far worse result than anything about Clinton. As for Julian Assange, his intent to try and elect Trump only says what little value he brings to anything he claims to stand for. Clinton is going to make an excellent president, and that's the whole point of this election.
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I am very interested in the contents. After all, it took Russia's hacking to show us how Bernie was unfairly treated by the DNC, as we all suspected. I want the truth. And apparently we now have to rely on the Russians to get it.
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I still don't care about the emails! So unimportant compared to the racist, misogynist, nationalistic, religiophobic alternative candidate.
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Well as long as you get what you want who cares about the law, right? That's what the ILLEGAL immigration argument is all about.
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What do they have to hide?
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Right...if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Isn't that what the people were told when their privacy was eliminated by the corporative state's surveillance apparatus?
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Why do you presume guilt and demand proof of innocence?
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And WHAT? does the DOS now believe that the American people don't really need to know?
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Isn't this an act of war? In the 21st century, it seems no one is guilty anymore.
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Right now there seems to be about as much evidence that the Russians are responsible for this as there was that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Maybe The Times will dig out Judith Miller again to do some investigation and then we will have some answers.
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This is truly bizarre. Trump has advisers who are not only sympathetic to Putin, they have a vested interest in seeing him and his thugocracy succeed. Trump bends over backwards to praise Putin and to threaten our allies. And at the very least, he's neutral or joking about Russians hacking aDemocratic-affiliated accounts in ways that could impinge on the integrity of our electoral process. If Democrats had even a hint of such a conflict of interest, it would be a scandal. But I suppose Trump has said and done so many outrageous things that this threat to our democracy and national security do not stand out.
Yet more reasons why this ignorant, arrogant fool is unfit to be president.
Yet more reasons why this ignorant, arrogant fool is unfit to be president.
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I am by no means a Trump supporter, but I think that the link between the hacking, Russia and Trump is shaky. Perhaps it is all true, but from what I see the FBI is saying that Russians may have been responsible for the hacking. There has been no hard evidence presented thus yet. I would prefer to focus on all of the other reasons not to vote for this man for which the evidence is crystal clear. The mentality that because the Russians are against the Democrats it is a good reason to vote for them is a bit too simplistic for me. Who cares who the Russians are for or against, what is important is which candidate comes closest to what I hope for across all areas of government policy.
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A whole lot of "hacking" is done with thumb drives plugged into unattended computers. Campaign volunteers generally are not vetted. The "hacker(s)" could just be Republican moles.
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This is why the future is in crypto. Any creep can rip off your thumb and drive it to market. When Toby dies, I don't really see a lap top out there for me. Toby has Elephant inside, and I've only had one intrusion in eight years. And that was my husband assuming programs his friends send him are safe to download.
Everyone I talk to says just upgrade your internet access and expect to be down for three days. No thanks, yanks.
I say if you think I'm up to something, tell a judge and let him give you a warrant, otherwise, these security guys are handing away our privacy!
Everyone I talk to says just upgrade your internet access and expect to be down for three days. No thanks, yanks.
I say if you think I'm up to something, tell a judge and let him give you a warrant, otherwise, these security guys are handing away our privacy!
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It's nice to finally see the curtain pulled back and the corrupt DNC as well as the Clintons exposed for who they really are. The Clinton Foundation and their 90% take on donations with foreign governments donating millions while Hillary was Secretary of State is the biggest pay to play scheme in the history of the world.
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How about Trump's tax returns? I think every American voter has a right to see those!
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Are you sure it's not just Western civilization that's threatened, and not the whole entire world?
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I hope you are demanding to audit your savior Trump as well.
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From a global citizen living half across the world in Asia ( I am a Malaysian, living in Kuala Lumpur), the ongoing US Election has become a fodder for a great number of late night shows as well as a great cause of anxiety for us non Americans who are watching with amazement!
I suppose enough has been said of Donald Trump and his antics as well as Hiliary Clinton's "dishonesty"..but what amazes me is the level of tolerance that the people of US have on the type of rhetoric that is spewed out almost on a daily basis by Trump.
I am a firm believer in freedom of speech and challenging the norm, but what comes out of the oral cavity of Trump is just... well leaves me speechless and interestingly enough he is able to muster an audience to encourage this type of polemic language.Politics is strange of course , but to call your sitting President a "founder of a terrorist group", goes beyond common sense and all decorum...language festering with hints of violence and discord goes against all decency.One would expect presidential candidates to battle out policies, trade agreements, economies but stooping this low is just plain mind boggling!
One would think we already have enough horror shows on TV, but playing out in living colour and on a daily basis is incomprehensible. Obviously we all have out own particular brand of politics in our own countries, but what we see unfolding in America is leading the American way of life to a slippery slope that goes downhill all the way.
I suppose enough has been said of Donald Trump and his antics as well as Hiliary Clinton's "dishonesty"..but what amazes me is the level of tolerance that the people of US have on the type of rhetoric that is spewed out almost on a daily basis by Trump.
I am a firm believer in freedom of speech and challenging the norm, but what comes out of the oral cavity of Trump is just... well leaves me speechless and interestingly enough he is able to muster an audience to encourage this type of polemic language.Politics is strange of course , but to call your sitting President a "founder of a terrorist group", goes beyond common sense and all decorum...language festering with hints of violence and discord goes against all decency.One would expect presidential candidates to battle out policies, trade agreements, economies but stooping this low is just plain mind boggling!
One would think we already have enough horror shows on TV, but playing out in living colour and on a daily basis is incomprehensible. Obviously we all have out own particular brand of politics in our own countries, but what we see unfolding in America is leading the American way of life to a slippery slope that goes downhill all the way.
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You are a firm believer in freedom of speech or freedom of anything and you live in Malaysia?
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I would like the New York Times to question Assange. What is his dog in this fight? Where is conception of 'public interest'? In another context, what do we, relying on him, get out of the 'hurting' (your word) of Hilary Clinton? Assange has always got off lightly. He never really tells us what Wikileaks is supposed to be doing. He claims not to be following the methodology of traditional journalism, and that is OK. But he has never defined the function of his own partisanship - or indeed whether it should have any limits. Does he believe that anything, coming from anyone. should be published? What should NOT be published? Shouldn't he in most instances post where his sources, as most journalists do? This is something that of all the new-style hacker-hacks, only Edward Snowden, to his credit, has answered, sanely. Not so Assange. Give him an Op Ed piece to devise his own code of practice. And run a debate on the question...
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Over the last years, the media has made Constitutional responsibility a far lower priority than cheap entertainment, ratings and corporate pandering. Our Founding Fathers established a "Free Press" as a sacred and moral duty to keep the three branches of government honest and responsible to the people. In the early documents, they clearly speak of the free press as an equal branch of our democratic republic on a par with the three branches of government. The role of the press was to illuminate and uproot corruption, and moneyed interests in the government. The sad fact is that now the "Free Press" is part of the corruption and bribery, and reports only with the goal of profits in mind. Profits over Truth, Integrity and Responsibility!
Trump every day does one immoral, outrageous and dangerous deed after another, and STILL he commands ALL the headlines, and his insanity and malevolence is still presented simply as "a differing opinion" for the most part. "Trump sells newspapers, and web advertising so lets keep him front and center!" it is truly SICK!!!!
This hijacking of an election by Russia and WikiLeaks is an unbelievable travesty! It needs to be reported as such, and the press has to stop allowing itself to be used like this. I used to have some respect for WikiLeaks and Julian Assange, but now I say extradite this creep and imprison him for life. He is not exercising the 'freedom of the press" responsibly. Like Trump, he's just another loon with web access!
Trump every day does one immoral, outrageous and dangerous deed after another, and STILL he commands ALL the headlines, and his insanity and malevolence is still presented simply as "a differing opinion" for the most part. "Trump sells newspapers, and web advertising so lets keep him front and center!" it is truly SICK!!!!
This hijacking of an election by Russia and WikiLeaks is an unbelievable travesty! It needs to be reported as such, and the press has to stop allowing itself to be used like this. I used to have some respect for WikiLeaks and Julian Assange, but now I say extradite this creep and imprison him for life. He is not exercising the 'freedom of the press" responsibly. Like Trump, he's just another loon with web access!
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The US founders abused the press relentlessly in their own time to defame each other, writing under pseudonyms. Some things never change.
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This will eventually make its way back to someone affiliated with the Trump campaign or the GOP.
It will make Watergate look petty by comparison.
It will make Watergate look petty by comparison.
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It smells like it, now would be a good time for serious investigative journalism to make a come back, a la Woodward and Bernstein.
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Watergate already looks pretty petty compared to the things the Clintons have been doing for the past couple of decades.
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The DNC's own emails prove that the "Democratic" party rigged a US election, but somehow it's the GOP's fault.
Up is down, war is peace. You're making less sense than usual Fran.
Up is down, war is peace. You're making less sense than usual Fran.
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Imagine if, somehow, the Russians or Assange manage to hand us a Trump victory.
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Now that is scary !
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I hope I can get there before Canada decides to build a wall to keep us out.
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If Ms. Clinton wins in November, she will be in a position to do something about Russia's cyber-warfare activities. Mr. Putin and his circle of friends have secrets they don't wish to see exposed. WikiLeaks will still be in business next year. You connect the dots.
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“The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because…the cold war’s been over for 20 years.” - Barack Obama Oct. 2012
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Anyone still think Trump was joking? He's actively working with a foreign power to undermine the national security of the United States, in addition to calling for the killing of his opponent. This isn't funny anymore.
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Baloney. Trump hasn't called for the killing of Hillary. This assassination propaganda comes out of the Clinton campaign factory. What is questionable is the Khan business--the phony paid for speech by the Clinton campaign, and the father of the Orlando killer who turned up at the Clinton rally supposedly without the knowledge of Clinton supporters. She does have Secret Service protection. I would have thought that undesirables would not have been permitted.
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No kidding it isn't funny. It's been proven that US "elections" are nothing but show. The DNC rigged an election, and you're pointing the finger half way around the world.
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What is dangerous is not that emails had been hacked or were/will be published. Dangerous is that anybody would believe the stuff submitted by "courteous unknown parties".
In 1937 over half of the Soviet General Staff had been executed based on forged "treason letters" submitted to the Soviets by the German intelligence. Do people in the US want to follow the same route?
Even if the materials "discovered" were genuine, it is possible to pick and choose from a wide set of correspondence just the right stuff to support many totally false accusations. This is what manipulation is about. One has to see the examples to believe the stunning effectiveness of this. You do not have to forge, just taking things out of context is enough to convince otherwise reasonable people to believe in false things.
In 1937 over half of the Soviet General Staff had been executed based on forged "treason letters" submitted to the Soviets by the German intelligence. Do people in the US want to follow the same route?
Even if the materials "discovered" were genuine, it is possible to pick and choose from a wide set of correspondence just the right stuff to support many totally false accusations. This is what manipulation is about. One has to see the examples to believe the stunning effectiveness of this. You do not have to forge, just taking things out of context is enough to convince otherwise reasonable people to believe in false things.
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Paranoia should be an instant disqualification for high offices.
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The DNC is not disputing the contents of the emails. They are however doing all they can to manufacture a Russian connection to distract you from the contents of those emails. Looks like the Clinton media manipulation is working on at least some people.
United States elections are rigged - by Americans. If you're going to be outraged, get mad about something real. #NeverHillary
United States elections are rigged - by Americans. If you're going to be outraged, get mad about something real. #NeverHillary
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Andy Grove, a founder of Intel, famously observed that "You can't be too paranoid in Silicon Valley". That's probably true, which is why it is such a ratrace.
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I'm very uneasy about this trend. DJT invites the Russians (or anyone) to hack into DNC and Clinton email servers, or to cough up the emails if they already have; DJT "muses" about what Second Amendment people might be able to do if a President Clinton appoints justices they don't like; DJT claims a "rigged" election if he doesn't win. Threats to a legitimately-elected government from without and within.
Meanwhile, the crowds roar with approval. Pundits shake their heads. GOP leaders shrug and downplay the remarks.
With our police departments already laboring under (in some cases, well-deserved) distrust and suspicion, and with fervent gun rights advocates convinced their weapons will be taken away, we're seeing a movement toward anarchic "by any means necessary" language that's only a few steps away from actual behavior.
I've seen this impulse in staunch conservatives I know, including one who bragged to me that her son, away at college, planned to cast votes in two different states using two different IDs (but how glad she is to suppress the votes of other citizens using voter ID laws!).
Forget principle. Whatever it takes to win. Whatever it takes to get the outcome they want.
Perhaps these dots won't connect the way many of us see they might. Here's hoping.
Meanwhile, the crowds roar with approval. Pundits shake their heads. GOP leaders shrug and downplay the remarks.
With our police departments already laboring under (in some cases, well-deserved) distrust and suspicion, and with fervent gun rights advocates convinced their weapons will be taken away, we're seeing a movement toward anarchic "by any means necessary" language that's only a few steps away from actual behavior.
I've seen this impulse in staunch conservatives I know, including one who bragged to me that her son, away at college, planned to cast votes in two different states using two different IDs (but how glad she is to suppress the votes of other citizens using voter ID laws!).
Forget principle. Whatever it takes to win. Whatever it takes to get the outcome they want.
Perhaps these dots won't connect the way many of us see they might. Here's hoping.
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If you're worried about voter fraud, you should support Governor Abbott's efforts for voter ID laws. Since college IDs are not acceptable for voting, that would stop that pesky kid from voting for Trump in two places.
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I believe that the only reason you are running this story is to perpetuate the line that the "Russians are coming, the Russians are coming". Why not take a look at the dead staffer as a possible source as Assange asserts?
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Because "the dead staffer", as you so callously put it, died in a neighborhood that's experienced a sharp uptick in violent robberies (including homicide) since the beginning of the DC Water project. We have been asking the DC city council to install lights in that area for more than six months to no avail, and the crimes have continued. Seth Rich's tragic death has absolutely nothing to do with Wikileaks and to suggest otherwise is grotesque and ignorant. The victim's family has expressed offense over Wikileaks' continued insistence on this absurd conspiracy theory. Please, everyone, please stop perpetuating this garbage. It's hurting our country and it hurts my community.
Just two words: Pentagon Papers.
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"Plastics."
Was this a phishing attack? If so, who fell for it?
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Perhaps someone will hack the email of Julian Assange so we can see how tight he is with Putin.
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Again, no person with a name has been quoted as to who claims it was the Russians. These factless stories sure seem like someone is wanting to shift blame for reasons unknown if there even were any hacks. The head of intelligence said it was not known who did it if anything was done. He cautioned the press not to get into wild speculation. It seems that we are getting another con job when early blame-the-Russians turns out to be mere speculation.
A more import issue is what is in those emails and so far it shows that we need a lot more skepticism when evaluating anything the DNC claims. We know the primary was rigged. That is FAR more significant than the Nixon ham-handed Watergate breakin. That was mere information gathering but this case is actual rigging of the process.
A more import issue is what is in those emails and so far it shows that we need a lot more skepticism when evaluating anything the DNC claims. We know the primary was rigged. That is FAR more significant than the Nixon ham-handed Watergate breakin. That was mere information gathering but this case is actual rigging of the process.
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No, the allegation that a foreign power especially, but anyone else for that matter, hacked into Democratic accounts is of prime importance. That so far it appears only Democratic accounts were hacked is of additional importance in that it implies an attempt to influence a national election (in favor of Trump). Finally, nothing yet exposed in those accounts comes close to the Watergate episode, as those of us who were around at the time well remember.
Come on, there HAD to be personal emails circulated between GOP members and/or RNC members talking about who should get the nomination. "Hey Ron, do you think maybe we should drum up more support happening for Gilmore?"
Oh did I say personal emails?
Oh did I say personal emails?
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Hilary should step out of the race before she embarrasses herself anymore..
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She has nothing to be ashamed of. It is conservatives who should be ashamed of themselves, their bigotry, their ignorance, their misogyny, their party and their candidate.
Conservativism is a cancer on this country.
Conservativism is a cancer on this country.
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"Embarrass herself"? Could you provide your own personal contributions to our society and compare it to hers? I would love to hear about them.
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Must we pull down pant and lift up skirts to know what our government is doing?
The truth may not set her free...
The truth may not set her free...
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We know that Soviet/Russian aggression is always focused on perceived threats to their power-base, so their attacks on the DNC means they're scared at what they could do to Russia on a global stage. Funny just two decades ago it was the GOP that was the threat. We haven't heard a peep of any RNC computers being hacked and emails being released so Putin doesn't perceive them as a threat... makes you wonder why. Doesn't it? Me I'm voting for the threat to keep Russia in check, for our nation and the world.
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Actually, I'm not sure we know if the RNC or RNC related accounts have been hacked. I would think that the Russians would hack everything they could and then use what they felt was best for them when they thought it was best for them.
A paranoid thought is that they do have something bad on the RNC (or Trump) and are holding it in reserve if he wins. Perhaps future leverage.
A paranoid thought is that they do have something bad on the RNC (or Trump) and are holding it in reserve if he wins. Perhaps future leverage.
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Sounds like people are a bit apprehensive about when the next shoe will drop. I'll bet that this leak of e-mail information is perfectly timed so that the most damaging Clinton information will hit the press at the most opportune time for the Trump camp.
I love it. The Dems running around with their hair on fire hoping that they don't get exposed as the frauds that they are. Of course the national media will do its best to downplay any damaging fallout but lets hope the dems get exposed as the phonies that they are. This could get fun.
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Sad isn't it. The Dems admitting that there are damaging things on those emails should make everybody journalist ask "what is damaging on there". "What have you people been doing"
Instead they just throw it out there with out a follow up,
Instead they just throw it out there with out a follow up,
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Of course the most fundamental issue is why anyone believes anything on the internet is secure.
Meanwhile, the current issue is not whether Russia tried to interfere in the election. We should assume countries always do that. Rather, the important question with profound implications is whether there was collusion with or instigation by the Republican Party and the Trump campaign.
Unfortunately, this is not a Hollywood script or a paranoid fantasy as there is precedent in the Reagan campaign's dealings with Iran to tilt the 1980 election to him. From the Times 4/14/91: (New Reports Say 1980 Reagan Campaign Tried to Delay Hostage Release): "[Gary Sick, a Middle East specialist] who helped handle the Iranian hostage crisis... says he has heard what he considers to be reliable reports that a secret deal involving the hostages was begun... between William J. Casey and the Iranian cleric ...in July 1980. The allegation that there were meetings between Mr. Casey, Mr. Reagan's campaign chairman, ...[and future] Director of Central Intelligence, and ... a representative of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, has been reported for the first time by Mr. Sick..... The Carter Administration hoped that it might obtain their release ... before Election Day, and Reagan campaign officials were concerned that the return of the hostages could swing the election to Mr. Carter."
Trump admires Vladimir Putin and questions NATO obligations in the face of a possible Russian attack. Quid pro quo?
Meanwhile, the current issue is not whether Russia tried to interfere in the election. We should assume countries always do that. Rather, the important question with profound implications is whether there was collusion with or instigation by the Republican Party and the Trump campaign.
Unfortunately, this is not a Hollywood script or a paranoid fantasy as there is precedent in the Reagan campaign's dealings with Iran to tilt the 1980 election to him. From the Times 4/14/91: (New Reports Say 1980 Reagan Campaign Tried to Delay Hostage Release): "[Gary Sick, a Middle East specialist] who helped handle the Iranian hostage crisis... says he has heard what he considers to be reliable reports that a secret deal involving the hostages was begun... between William J. Casey and the Iranian cleric ...in July 1980. The allegation that there were meetings between Mr. Casey, Mr. Reagan's campaign chairman, ...[and future] Director of Central Intelligence, and ... a representative of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, has been reported for the first time by Mr. Sick..... The Carter Administration hoped that it might obtain their release ... before Election Day, and Reagan campaign officials were concerned that the return of the hostages could swing the election to Mr. Carter."
Trump admires Vladimir Putin and questions NATO obligations in the face of a possible Russian attack. Quid pro quo?
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This went on prior to trump even getting involved with politics. Nice try.
And you left out teddy Kennedy asking the USSR to get Reagan out.
And you left out teddy Kennedy asking the USSR to get Reagan out.
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Wikileaks should release all of Crooked Hillary's emails. They've been invaluable.
We just learned from leaked emails that she exchanged government jobs for donations to her private foundation. That's almost certainly illegal.
We know she made $21M giving speeches to Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank, Fidelity, UBS, London Drugs, Golden Tree Asset Management, etc. Wikileaks should definitely release these. She probably insults ordinary Americans in these - they would bury her.
We learned that she sent emails with classified information (which she would have recognized as Secretary) from a series of home-brew servers. She compromised national security because the Russians, Chinese, and everyone else obviously hacked her. Wikileaks should prove that she compromised national security and prevent a felon from taking the highest office by releasing her emails.
We just learned from leaked emails that she exchanged government jobs for donations to her private foundation. That's almost certainly illegal.
We know she made $21M giving speeches to Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank, Fidelity, UBS, London Drugs, Golden Tree Asset Management, etc. Wikileaks should definitely release these. She probably insults ordinary Americans in these - they would bury her.
We learned that she sent emails with classified information (which she would have recognized as Secretary) from a series of home-brew servers. She compromised national security because the Russians, Chinese, and everyone else obviously hacked her. Wikileaks should prove that she compromised national security and prevent a felon from taking the highest office by releasing her emails.
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About to be released emails will reveal:
- Clinton was on the grassy knoll in Dallas
- WW2 was rigged. was rigged, it was rigged
- Crooked Hilary and Al Gore used a hair dryer to melt the Arctic
- Obama convinced Dwayne Wade and Lebron to leave Miami
- Hillary deflated footballs for Tom Brady Lock them up!
Readers like this and Trump supporters will believe it
- Clinton was on the grassy knoll in Dallas
- WW2 was rigged. was rigged, it was rigged
- Crooked Hilary and Al Gore used a hair dryer to melt the Arctic
- Obama convinced Dwayne Wade and Lebron to leave Miami
- Hillary deflated footballs for Tom Brady Lock them up!
Readers like this and Trump supporters will believe it
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Are they valuable or invaluable? Either way she's going to be President.
Jay, you are way off in a parallel reality if you think "We just learned from leaked emails that she exchanged government jobs for donations to her private foundation." All that we learned from this newest email dump is there was a request for a meeting, that never happened! It is a huge, delusional leap to say "That's almost certainly illegal." Turn off Faux News and read actual news reports about the truth!
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For those of you who herald Assange for his unearthing secretive government documents that we the public should be aware of, turns out he's going to selectively apply that ability to suit his own political agenda. Without transparency, it kinda blows the whole idea of wikileaks doesn't it?
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Reading theses comments, this appears to be a robust collection of hypocrisy on display. There was no similar outrage when Snowden truly did jeopardize national security, or in response to previous Wikileaks releases. It was all good, as the whistle-blowing was mostly about the awful military, or those terrible people trying to combat terrorism. But leaking the emails of the DNC, oh my God, we have to strike back at the Russians, Assange is a sociopath, and this isn't funny any more. Ignore the content, let's investigate the absurd paperback spy novel connection between Putin and Trump. Listen to yourselves. (BTW, it's not even a sure thing it was even "the Russians." Just as likely we find out it was a disgruntled DNC staffer).
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Reading these comments, it appears that a whole bunch of us should be taking Haldol.
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Damaging and embarssing things and Dems are mad at Russians? Did they write the emails?
This is insane. And the media is eating it up. The clintons made the media follow their slight of hand. Journalists should be embarrassed. Replace the word "squirrel" with Russians.
And the of course, they never question Hillarys relationship with Russia.
This is insane. And the media is eating it up. The clintons made the media follow their slight of hand. Journalists should be embarrassed. Replace the word "squirrel" with Russians.
And the of course, they never question Hillarys relationship with Russia.
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"A Russian cyberattack"...wait..."high confidence"...wait..."American intelligence agencies have 'virtually no doubt' that the Russian government was behind the theft".
Wow, excuse me for being somewhat confused after reading this journalistic marvel, 'virtually no doubt'.
So, to summarize, there is still no evidence, no proof that the Russians were behind the hacking.
Glad we could clear that up.
Could we now focus on the issues that are not in hypotheticals instead of returning to red-bating and McCarthyism, like the actual content of whatever is being released to the public ? Don't just shoot the messenger and ignore the message.
Was there misconduct, public corruption, pay to play politics?
Where are Homeland Security, NSA and all the other 'intelligence' agencies on this? They spy on everybody, have huge budgets, and the best they can come up with is “high confidence” ?
Why were the Democrats so careless with sensitive information ?
These and many more questions like that need to be answered now. This is where real professional journalism should start.
The origin of the hacks and its implications can be discussed ad nauseam once there is some factual evidence instead of innuendoes and political spin.
Wow, excuse me for being somewhat confused after reading this journalistic marvel, 'virtually no doubt'.
So, to summarize, there is still no evidence, no proof that the Russians were behind the hacking.
Glad we could clear that up.
Could we now focus on the issues that are not in hypotheticals instead of returning to red-bating and McCarthyism, like the actual content of whatever is being released to the public ? Don't just shoot the messenger and ignore the message.
Was there misconduct, public corruption, pay to play politics?
Where are Homeland Security, NSA and all the other 'intelligence' agencies on this? They spy on everybody, have huge budgets, and the best they can come up with is “high confidence” ?
Why were the Democrats so careless with sensitive information ?
These and many more questions like that need to be answered now. This is where real professional journalism should start.
The origin of the hacks and its implications can be discussed ad nauseam once there is some factual evidence instead of innuendoes and political spin.
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Right the Russians are a handy boogie men right now and as previous comments show most Americans, I guess, prefer to believe anything Washington tells us. Remember how the Viet Cong was demonized as demons, which I totally believed, but now Washington likes those same guys.
Doesn't everybody on earth know that their computers can be hacked? All of us are being spied on every day by our own government but our government thinks no one is spying on them. It's all very ridiculous.
Assange is positively Trumplike in his narcissism. Assange does nothing but damage to the world and he does it with glee. Assange is anything but a progressive militant. Assange is a sick worm.
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How terrible is it for the citizens to find the truth now isn't it?. Many I guess prefer to not know what our governments is doing and accept their propaganda as the truth. Wasn't it terrible when the Pentagon was caught deceiving us on Iraqi civilians deaths by 50%. Let's believe whatever the government tell us and do whatever they tell us - right?.
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What's rarely mentioned is that if Putin is behind the divulged emails, it has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with Clinton's failed diplomacy efforts with Russia
Clinton lectured Russia on its election, calling its election "unfair", then opened herself up to ridicule for hypocrisy because of her own dealings with the DNC.
Clinton lectured Russia on its election, calling its election "unfair", then opened herself up to ridicule for hypocrisy because of her own dealings with the DNC.
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At least some truth might be known after all.
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It appears that Hillary Clinton may have the most secure email servers among the Democrats! Having multiple servers that are backed up by archived periodically, may be a safer way of maintaining government communication.
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Agreed, Elizabeth. Hillary Clinton has been under the microscope for over 25 years. She set up a more secure server in her home than the government has, so that she could maintain some privacy, not hide a nefarious plot to hide illegal deeds. And, guess what? There is zero evidence that her personal server was hacked, so all those decrying "she put our military at risk" are delusional, and grasping at straws.
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Oh please, baby monitors are more secure than Hillary's servers!
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The last paragraph, about Assange's views on Clinton, may be a little out of context. Surely, he intended to hurt her candidacy and said as much but more likely he hoped for Sanders to get the nomination since the dump occurred just before the Democratic convention.
Yet, if Wikileaks does not release damaging dumps before November the Russians likely will. Then again, Trump is doing more damage to his own campaign than anyone else could.
Yet, if Wikileaks does not release damaging dumps before November the Russians likely will. Then again, Trump is doing more damage to his own campaign than anyone else could.
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Guess who the Russians would love to see as the next president. Do you want to support the guy the Russians think would be in their best interests? I know I sure would NOT!
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If Hillary Clinton and the DNC are so " pure and honest " ( to quote Chris Matthews ), they should welcome the release of all this information so the American public can see for themselves.
Similarly, Hillary should invite the FBI to investigate the Clinton Foundation, that way we can end all these allegations of " Play for Pay ", corruption, misuse of funds, etc.
Similarly, Hillary should invite the FBI to investigate the Clinton Foundation, that way we can end all these allegations of " Play for Pay ", corruption, misuse of funds, etc.
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Everyone seems to take the allegation that the Russians did the hacking at face value. Yes, let's get mad at the Russians and at Assange, and take the heat off the DNC for its corruption. Sorry, I won't buy it until I see real proof.
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Unfortunately, you don't have the security clearance for that.
Not at all at face value. Read the article.
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What "corruption" by the DNC? The emails so far show that a number of staffers did not like Bernie, and a few display anger at some of the public pronouncements by Bernie's campaign against DNC staff. Is that actually "corruption", or more like "being human"? I see the normal banter and exchange of human beings in the messages that have been made public; you see something else, apparently. I suspect if the personal emails of you or most other people were made public, someone could choose to read into those a lot more than was really there, if it suited their own agenda.
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Hasn't it already been shown that it wasn't the Russians. Quit trying to make the narrative and just report the news.
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"Mr. Trump stunned Democrats and Republicans when he said last month that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Mrs. Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen, although he said later that he was being sarcastic."
So if you understood that Mr. Trump was referring to emails that had already been hacked, can I therefore assume that all the NYT outrage expressed over Trump's supposed call for new hacking was phony, done just to score political points? How could there be any new hacking done anyway, since the FBI has long had custody of the server?
So if you understood that Mr. Trump was referring to emails that had already been hacked, can I therefore assume that all the NYT outrage expressed over Trump's supposed call for new hacking was phony, done just to score political points? How could there be any new hacking done anyway, since the FBI has long had custody of the server?
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As far as we know, Hillary's mails from the private server were not "hacked". And how else would Russia get a hold of them?
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Julian Assange has my undying contempt.
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Clapper said there was no evidence is was the Russians. Did he change his mind?
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If they've got nothing to hide, they have nothing to worry about.
At least that's what NYT commenters said the about the NSA spying on US citizens. We're all good with the spying still right? Everything's fine...
At least that's what NYT commenters said the about the NSA spying on US citizens. We're all good with the spying still right? Everything's fine...
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"A Russian cyberattack that targeted Democratic politicians..." but wait no evidence has been presented in the article? What it this--an assumption or a creation of unknown fact? Feels like I am reading an already scripted article. It is so unconvincing. This is terrible journalism.
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Clinton loyalists to the end at the NY Times. The hacked emails didn't show DNC staffers "eager" for Clinton to win. They showed the DNC plotting against Sanders and planning to defame him. It was a rigged contest from the beginning.
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Meh. Sanders did not lose by a small amount. He lost by millions. He wasn't even close.
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So, Watergate shouldn't have mattered since Nixon won 49 states against McGovern in 1972??
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Dear C.:
What you call "rigged" I, as a DNC member, calls party loyalty. When Hillary asked us for her support long before she declared her candidacy, Senator Sanders was an Independent who had not stated his intentions to become a Democrat. He did so last year when he decided to run. By then, we Hillary supporters from the '08 were already behind her. What you are saying is that we should abandon Hillary on your say-so? Sanders is a fine man but he is no Hillary. In his forty years in public office he does not come close to Hillary's CV. That is my decision to make as a member of the DNC, not yours. Intra-party politics is not open to the public only to members. In my first campaign for JFK in '60 there were only a dozen primaries, New York not being one of them. The candidate was picked at the convention by party leaders combined with wins in only some primaries. Obviously your lack of knowledge of how political parties conduct their business is the cause of your mistaken beliefs. Read a little more before you go posting your ignorance on the NYTimes comments section. You sound ridiculous.
DD
Manhattan
What you call "rigged" I, as a DNC member, calls party loyalty. When Hillary asked us for her support long before she declared her candidacy, Senator Sanders was an Independent who had not stated his intentions to become a Democrat. He did so last year when he decided to run. By then, we Hillary supporters from the '08 were already behind her. What you are saying is that we should abandon Hillary on your say-so? Sanders is a fine man but he is no Hillary. In his forty years in public office he does not come close to Hillary's CV. That is my decision to make as a member of the DNC, not yours. Intra-party politics is not open to the public only to members. In my first campaign for JFK in '60 there were only a dozen primaries, New York not being one of them. The candidate was picked at the convention by party leaders combined with wins in only some primaries. Obviously your lack of knowledge of how political parties conduct their business is the cause of your mistaken beliefs. Read a little more before you go posting your ignorance on the NYTimes comments section. You sound ridiculous.
DD
Manhattan
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Let me quote the New York Times quoting Donald Trump, "“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference..."
NOWHERE does he say that he hoped Russians had hacked Clinton's email. Is this what 0asses for journalism at the Greywater Lady?
NOWHERE does he say that he hoped Russians had hacked Clinton's email. Is this what 0asses for journalism at the Greywater Lady?
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Dear Bill:
Being an apologist for Trump doesn't help. It not only makes Trump need people like yourself to "explain" things for him, cover up for his mistakes, and then attack Hillary speciously, it makes you look quite foolish. Your misspellings, grammatically incorrect sentences says as much about yourself as it does about your candidate. You are the face of the Trump supporter. Your post exposes your ignorance and confirms we politicos why you would support such an obvious incompetent and charlatan as Trump.
DD
Manhattan
Being an apologist for Trump doesn't help. It not only makes Trump need people like yourself to "explain" things for him, cover up for his mistakes, and then attack Hillary speciously, it makes you look quite foolish. Your misspellings, grammatically incorrect sentences says as much about yourself as it does about your candidate. You are the face of the Trump supporter. Your post exposes your ignorance and confirms we politicos why you would support such an obvious incompetent and charlatan as Trump.
DD
Manhattan
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Lots of unnamed officials speaking under conditions of anonymity as "sources" means you have no evidence that Russia had anything to do with this. You are covering for the DNC & Hillary stealing the nomination from Bernie and trying to shift the focus from the content of the leak to wild speculations about the source. BUT YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE, DO YOU? The MSM is a joke. Anyone who takes the NYT or any bought and paid for corporate media source seriously in this day and age deserves what they get. Pure disinfo
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Dear Mr. J. Smits:
In spite of your critique, which I am sure carries about as much clout as a cup of warm spit, The Times remains the most reliable source of news not only in the US but the world. Your visceral affronts aside, your capitalization does not make you heard more, it in fact reduces your op to drivel. Please, criticism of The Times is well warranted in many instances, but your lack of knowledge to how "reliable sources" works speaks volumes of ignorance. Bad form, old boy. You do sound ridiculous, you know.
DD
Manhattan
In spite of your critique, which I am sure carries about as much clout as a cup of warm spit, The Times remains the most reliable source of news not only in the US but the world. Your visceral affronts aside, your capitalization does not make you heard more, it in fact reduces your op to drivel. Please, criticism of The Times is well warranted in many instances, but your lack of knowledge to how "reliable sources" works speaks volumes of ignorance. Bad form, old boy. You do sound ridiculous, you know.
DD
Manhattan
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Exactly how did Hillary steal the election? What about all of those voters who cast ballots for her? This constant refrain that she "stole the election" is utter nonsense, without any supporting facts as to how it is even possible.
The Dems should preemptively release everything now, rather than let it trickle out at well timed intervals.
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You think that the public should be privy to every email sent by staffers? I don't think so.
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What to worry about? I am sure it is all very honest and ethical
It's not that easy to publicly release a bunch of emails. You have to redact third-party personal information first. People like Assange don't really care about that - they just release it and don't worry. The DNC can't do that.
What Assange was implying was the guy that got murdered in the street was the guy who was leaking the emails to him. The Sanders guy who served the Hillary campaign the election fraud lawsuit was murdered, the UN guy that was suppose to testify against her was murdered, a conspiracy author who was writing about the Clintons just got murdered and some other guy as well.
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Yes, that guy Vincent Foster was murdered, as was Caesar and some Jesus dude. Clearly, Hillary has a long reach.
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Josh,
Dead bodies? So what! Now, Melania repeating some overused cliches, Trump eating Kentucky Fried Chicken--now THAT'S news! For days! So we have a few recently murdered people whose only commonality was a connection to the Clintons. What difference, at this point, does it make? Don't go talking like some kind of biased person now...
Dead bodies? So what! Now, Melania repeating some overused cliches, Trump eating Kentucky Fried Chicken--now THAT'S news! For days! So we have a few recently murdered people whose only commonality was a connection to the Clintons. What difference, at this point, does it make? Don't go talking like some kind of biased person now...
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This is incredible incompetence on part of the Democrats and Clinton. She knows that goes on in the world in the way of cyber spying. Obviously as the leading candidate for the presidential election she should have had good security.
And the finger pointing is at the Russians, however 10 to 1, the Chinese, Israeli's, English, French, Japanese, Saudi's and even your local neighborhood hacker have their e mails as well as a bunch of people and countries have the 30,000 e mails that Hillary erased.
I am not a Trump fan at all, however the sloppiness on the DNC and Hillary's part is astounding.
And the finger pointing is at the Russians, however 10 to 1, the Chinese, Israeli's, English, French, Japanese, Saudi's and even your local neighborhood hacker have their e mails as well as a bunch of people and countries have the 30,000 e mails that Hillary erased.
I am not a Trump fan at all, however the sloppiness on the DNC and Hillary's part is astounding.
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How ironic that it takes outside forces to keep our own 'Democracy' honest; an oxymoron for every American.
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If you think Assange is honest, you are probably already in possession of a deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Can you imagine what this campaign could have been with a decent, respectable candidate and a party that wasn't corrupt?
Frankly, I don't believe one word of the so-called Russian linkage...
This is absolutely the most despicable year in the history of American politics.
Frankly, I don't believe one word of the so-called Russian linkage...
This is absolutely the most despicable year in the history of American politics.
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I wonder at the NYT objectivity when it leads a story with Russian hackers when even the FBI says they don't know who did it. So what source of information does the NYT have that proves it is Russian hackers? So much for an objective news source.
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False. Quote the FBI official. Give us the exact quote and date. So much for objective commenting. But if you are Russian you certainly have excellent colloquial English skills, and if you are a fan of the demagogue you have a lot more things to worry about than e-mail hackers.
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It is obvious that more is coming out-Assange has assured us-but beyond the DNC and its dirty tricks, we know someone has Hilary's 33k e-mails.
First how can anyone, even a Clinton have that many "personal" e-mails-how would you have time for them?
I'm sure something very damaging is on its way-whether from Assange, Snowden, Russians, Chinese-does it matter?
How will her campaign fare then-a terrorist attack-and despite the polls Trump will be president.
First how can anyone, even a Clinton have that many "personal" e-mails-how would you have time for them?
I'm sure something very damaging is on its way-whether from Assange, Snowden, Russians, Chinese-does it matter?
How will her campaign fare then-a terrorist attack-and despite the polls Trump will be president.
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Let's hope...
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No pardon for Assange (EVER) nor Snowden I hope.
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If they move to one of our sanctuary cities, they're protected.
Wouldn't it be better for the NY Times to focus on what was revealed by the hacking?
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If hacked material wasn't pounced on and politicized to the hilt it might stop or be reduced. The only reason it continues is because hackers and dishonorable people addicted to control and notoriety like Assange keep getting payoffs. And the payoffs don't come from what they have done (the hacking or it's dissemination). The payoffs come from what we do with what they've done.
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Observe that all of this material gets a presumption of guilt, requiring the hacked party to prove innocence.
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If the DNC wasn't such a collection of dishonest and corrupt elitists, there would be nothing to worry about.
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Gee NYT, your biased reporting slants the facts. No one knows for sure who hacked the DNC but you keep repeating "Russian hackers" as though it is fact. As well, asserting that Assange wants to derail HRC's bid for the presidency as opposed to simply revealing the truth of illegal and unethical behavior tells me that the NYT editorial staff are tools of the DNC. Bernie won California. The primaries were rigged electronically. That is what I believe. Whatever. I disregard your biased political reporting but I love your sports coverage and the arts and entertainment. Roberta Smith is the best art reviewer arriund and Kathy Ryan is a brilliant photo editor/photographer. Bill Cunningham will live forever! Wed. food coverage never disappoints and I love Isaac Asimov's "wine school", but your political coverage? Biased for sure.
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Try listening to Assange's own comments. He is biased against Mrs. Clinton and seeks to damage her campaign. You sound like a Trumpista concern troll pretending to be a disgruntled Bernie bro. Sen. Sanders has endorsed Mrs. Clinton and urged his followers to do likewise. Deal with it or as I suspect vote for your real love, the demagogue.
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I hope they have plenty more to be released. Couldn't happen to a more dishonest group, the DNC.
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So the Republicans and their supporters have added a new weapon to their arsenal. Since they can't win on the issues, they resort to gerrymandering, voter suppression and, now, Nixonian dirty tricks. It like Watergate all over again, except the burglary of the Democratic headquarters is more high-tech.
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Observe how they project their own psychosis onto everyone else in thinking that Mrs. Clinton would be so paranoid about Bernie that she would allow or order something like a Watergate burglary to undermine him.
So, the "Russian Hackers", who absolutely no one has actually confirmed without a doubt it was the Russians, have exposed the corruption in half of our 1 party system and .....we are upset? Excuse me, let me rephrase that: the Media is upset. Clearly, we have "State Run Media" as we constantly and endlessly blame the Russians and Chinese for having.
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Contrary to the Times’ assertion, FBI Director James Comey NEVER said “successful intruders were probably far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind.” This was an assertion made without evidence by NY Times reporter David Sanger (June 6). It was pure speculation when it was made and no evidence to support it has since turned up. For the Times to repeat such speculation as established fact is irresponsible, and to attribute this speculation to Director Comey is reportorial misconduct.
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Umm... yes he did say that... Here's a quote from his opening statement:
"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account."
"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account."
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All Director Comey said was "it is possible," not probable. Not only was there "no direct evidence," Comey did not cite any indirect evidence, only the supposition that "it is possible." Director Comey weighed his words carefully. Times reporters should refrain from putting words in the mouths of the people they purport to be quoting. As to the idea that intruders were too skillful to leave their tracks, the Russian intrusions into the State Department's emails did not escape detection. After an extensive, microscopic dissection of Hillary Clinton's emails, no evidence of successful intrusion was detected, so how did "possible" become "probable?"
So what happens when Judicial Watch or Citizens United or Julian Assange begin leaking out the content of these private emails?
Let's guess. The news media, including the Times, will be all over the stolen information, and even if the coverage is generally restrained, it is likely that Fox News, Limbaugh and the vast right wing conspiracy will go literally bonkers exposing whatever they can -- factual or not -- to damage Hillary Clinton and destroy the Democratic Party.
The origin of this content, a hack by foreign governments, will be all but forgotten as the general public delights in the furor the information reveals.
When trust in one party is destroyed, and the other has all but destroyed itself, our political system and the future of governance is in very serious danger of completely falling apart.
Let's guess. The news media, including the Times, will be all over the stolen information, and even if the coverage is generally restrained, it is likely that Fox News, Limbaugh and the vast right wing conspiracy will go literally bonkers exposing whatever they can -- factual or not -- to damage Hillary Clinton and destroy the Democratic Party.
The origin of this content, a hack by foreign governments, will be all but forgotten as the general public delights in the furor the information reveals.
When trust in one party is destroyed, and the other has all but destroyed itself, our political system and the future of governance is in very serious danger of completely falling apart.
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"So far, it does not appear that the Russian hackers sought or gained access to any computer systems used by Mr. Trump, who is known to avoid email, officials said."
You can bet that any enemy organization or government that is trying to manipulate the results of the next election won't be too fussy about how they collect data to use against the next president, whichever party they represent. Trump is uninformed and apathetic about government except as it affects him personally, but high-level Republicans are as likely to be targeted as Clinton.
As for Trump himself, a few Russian models could extract everything he knows just by asking.
You can bet that any enemy organization or government that is trying to manipulate the results of the next election won't be too fussy about how they collect data to use against the next president, whichever party they represent. Trump is uninformed and apathetic about government except as it affects him personally, but high-level Republicans are as likely to be targeted as Clinton.
As for Trump himself, a few Russian models could extract everything he knows just by asking.
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The answer to Trump, Putin and Assange is to make sure that Trump loses big. His loss should be "yuge" to send a strong message.
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Does Hillary allowing her highly classified emails to be on an private server and then hacked by sources abroad, leave her open to blackmail by foreign powers, if she is elected President of the US? And she accuses Trump of being reckless?
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Honestly the only leak I see hurting Mrs. Clinton's chance at the presidency is the Russians revealing Trump's run was asked to run to ensure a Clinton victory. In all honesty I can not tell if he is just crazed buffoon or acting like that to help Clinton win.
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Take it from a New Yorker. What you see with DT is all him and more. No one controls him, least of all his own campaign staff. Crazed buffoon is closer to the truth.
If you email something, it is out there. Unless you have really good computer encryption - and that's possible. If the DNC didn't have their stuff encrypted then tough. Far more disturbing is what would appear to be Clinton's seeking endorsement from Henry Kissinger, "Mr. War". Clinton should thank Providence that her opponent is the apparently crazy Mr. Trump.
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Bev, it is more disturbing than what you point out. Very one sided, we do not have the RNC campaing e-mails and/or Trump's e-mails, or Pence's e-mail. ONLY the DNC and Clinton's. This is ridiculous! stop this e-mail one sided campaing. Along with the RNC candidates for President and VP tax returns how about the release of their e-mails for the last two years, that should be interesting! it might tell us,for example a lot more about Pence's rationale for his policies etc. and Trump's? Wow!. I do not think we should vote until all of the above takes place! RNC, all candidates, all work related, e-mails release please! equal treatment! , don't you think?
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Watergate rides again. Except this is a lot bigger. We have Trump grasping for power together with Putin.
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"The WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, has made it clear that he would like to hurt Mrs. Clinton’s bid for the White House, opposing her candidacy on policy and personal grounds. He has hinted that he has more material about the presidential campaign that he could release."
This is one of the more important issues raised in this article. Whatever one may think of WikiLeaks, this constitutes a breach of security and an intrusion into American politics.
Hacking of American systems appears to be almost routine and the administration and the DNC must takes steps to tighten security on their servers.
This is one of the more important issues raised in this article. Whatever one may think of WikiLeaks, this constitutes a breach of security and an intrusion into American politics.
Hacking of American systems appears to be almost routine and the administration and the DNC must takes steps to tighten security on their servers.
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"the DNC must takes steps to tighten security on their servers".
Exactly , how else they can continue to rig "democracy" on behalf of their donors
Exactly , how else they can continue to rig "democracy" on behalf of their donors
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day late and dollar short
what about the DNC's manipulation of the democratic process?
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The Chinese hacked both the Obama and McCain campaigns back in 2008, in what has been termed a "massive cyberespionage operation."
According to NBC news, "The goal of the campaign intrusion, according to the officials: to export massive amounts of internal data from both campaigns—including internal position papers and private emails of key advisers in both camps."
In other words, much like what we're seeing here, except now it's Russia instead of China.
So why are we raising the alarms this time, when the result of the Chinese hacks was "high level warnings to Chinese officials to stop such activities, U.S. intelligence officials tell NBC News."
Why are we acting like this is a first, when in fact such hacking appears almost routine?
Because China didn't release thousands of emails making it look like the DNC was tipping the election. Because China didn't release emails that were personally embarrassing to key supporters of Clinton.
This isn't about espionage. If it were, we would have seen a similar response in 2008. It's about what some have called a rigged election.
According to NBC news, "The goal of the campaign intrusion, according to the officials: to export massive amounts of internal data from both campaigns—including internal position papers and private emails of key advisers in both camps."
In other words, much like what we're seeing here, except now it's Russia instead of China.
So why are we raising the alarms this time, when the result of the Chinese hacks was "high level warnings to Chinese officials to stop such activities, U.S. intelligence officials tell NBC News."
Why are we acting like this is a first, when in fact such hacking appears almost routine?
Because China didn't release thousands of emails making it look like the DNC was tipping the election. Because China didn't release emails that were personally embarrassing to key supporters of Clinton.
This isn't about espionage. If it were, we would have seen a similar response in 2008. It's about what some have called a rigged election.
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Rigged election??? Election interference at best. The rigged election is the overturning of voter ID requirements. I never can understand why the same people think voter ID suppresses the right to vote, but it does NOT suppress the right to bear arms.
You answer your own question about "why" this is newsworthy in your very first line: "the Chinese hacked both the Obama and McCain campaigns. . . " This time, it is just the democrats being hacked, and Julian Assange has expressed a personal interest in seeing Clinton lose, even if it means Trump wins, which would be disastrous for the entire world. Assange is playing a game; that's why this is newsworthy.
Well, there was no evidence of a financial or any other kind of relationship between McCain and the Chinese.
Maybe once Hillary is elected, the media can focus on the actual content of the emails.
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The media is dying fro Watergate like hearings we saw in the 1970s. It makes for good TV viewership and newspaper reading. Advertiser are chomping at the bit. Getting Clinton elected, to see her take a fall, like Nixon, will show the true hypocrisy of our 1% controlled media. Clinton knows that one misstep and she will be dragged through the mud.
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I would not bet on it.
Unfortunately the emails are very boring unless you are a conspiracy nut so that isn't very likely.
Really? So when will there be investigations of D'Rump's involvement like all of the superficial investigations of Hillary Clinton? He's already beckoned for this level of espionage against the United States just to gain a political advantage. Can his involvement be far behind? Or is it that mainstream media's fascination with his narcissistic personality disorder to good for their ratings to bother?
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The latter, I am afraid.
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You managed to bury the lead. Assange did more than post a reward for Seth Rich's killer(s). In a Dutch TV interview, Assange suggested that whistleblowers in the US need to be careful and brought up Seth's death in the same breath.
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In a recent article, the Pentagon and Dr. Hoffman of the National Defense University expressed concerned about how to combat Russia’s use of “hybrid warfare,”; stealth invasion, local proxy forces, international propaganda, conventional/unconventional forces, information warfare, propaganda, and economic measures to undermine its enemies when it annexed Crimea and destabilize eastern Ukraine.
Like the Russians, the GOP are using the very same “hybrid warfare”
The GOP, following the direction of Joseph Goebbels who said that by repeating a few very specific ideas and understanding the psychology of the people concerned you could make them believe that a square is in fact a circle by just using words, and words can be molded to disguise intent. The purpose of propaganda isn’t to be intellectually pleasing or to control a few mindless people but instead, conquer the broad masses. They also use the wordsmithing of Dr. Frank Luntz, who understands how to use words that insight people to act purely on emotions and without all of the facts, manipulate people to act against their own needs.
Walker goes to Germany & England and 47 senators send a letter to the leader of Iran, Bush goes to Estonia (Russia).
The GOP uses gerrymandering, voter restrictions, limiting information freedoms, economic warfare defunding the country’s budget, destabilizes the country using fear tactics, provoking: racism, hyper-right religion, confederacy. Koch spending a billion dollars
Like the Russians, the GOP are using the very same “hybrid warfare”
The GOP, following the direction of Joseph Goebbels who said that by repeating a few very specific ideas and understanding the psychology of the people concerned you could make them believe that a square is in fact a circle by just using words, and words can be molded to disguise intent. The purpose of propaganda isn’t to be intellectually pleasing or to control a few mindless people but instead, conquer the broad masses. They also use the wordsmithing of Dr. Frank Luntz, who understands how to use words that insight people to act purely on emotions and without all of the facts, manipulate people to act against their own needs.
Walker goes to Germany & England and 47 senators send a letter to the leader of Iran, Bush goes to Estonia (Russia).
The GOP uses gerrymandering, voter restrictions, limiting information freedoms, economic warfare defunding the country’s budget, destabilizes the country using fear tactics, provoking: racism, hyper-right religion, confederacy. Koch spending a billion dollars
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And...they nominate a sociopath...a narcissist who applies the tactics of persuasion used by dictators from the past...a man that baits his crowds with words that incite violence from "2nd Amendment people"...then the very next day comes back with accusations that the President of the United States...Commander in Chief, Barack Obama, "founded ISIS." He follows that statement up by calling SoS Hillary Clinton the "co-founder of ISIS."
America, you are scaring the hell out of the world!
America, you are scaring the hell out of the world!
The truth always has a way of coming out, and that is exactly what America will see when all is said and done with Hillary Clinton leaving us with the only clear and best choice for President which is Donald J. Trump, he WILL make America Great again!
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I agree with the first part, eventually the truth will come out, just like it did with Watergate. That e-mail server, in which Clinton deleted e-mails? Well, anyone with good computer forensic skills can recover,, most or all, what ever was removed. The FBI is probably doing this, and, it is a low painful process.
As fro Trump getting elected, well that is getting more unlikely.
As fro Trump getting elected, well that is getting more unlikely.
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The "truth" is something Donald Trump wouldn't know if it blew his hairpiece off his noggin. And if dragging our country down to Putin's Russia level is making America great again, you'll see a lot of intelligent, valuable people leaving the USA if he's elected. But that won't bother Trump supporters and the NRA; they're secret admirers of fascism even if they don't know it yet. Don't say, "It can't happen here."
Trump is a lying egomaniac who stiffed most of the small businesses he hired; many of them went bankrupt. Everything peddled with his brand name is NOT made in America. I highly doubt this nutcase is going to create jobs here, let alone "make us great again."
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Hacking email should carry the same federal penalties as stealing snail male.
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It is a felony to hack into a computer in most, if not all the states. But, try prosecuting someone who lives in in places like Kosovo, Serbia, China or even Russia. And unlike USPS mail, these hackers go through multiple networks, routers and servers to cover their originating location. For all you know, the hacking could have come from the US, and went through various computers and networks to make it look like it came from Russia.
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"Officials have acknowledged that the Russian hackers gained access...
American intelligence agencies have said they have 'high confidence' that the attack was the work of Russian intelligence agencies..."
What officials? What agencies?
In the Eric Lichtblau report you linked, the only officials he cited were "Clinton campaign officials" and the private investigator, CrowdStrike, who is currently being paid by the DCCC to create these reports.
In that same Lichtblau report, the "intelligence agency" he cited/linked was just another NYT Amy Chozick article where she says Nancy Pelosi "learned of Russian involvement not through intelligence briefings, but through other means." Chozick later went on to say, "Proving a cyberattack is difficult, but researchers have said the D.N.C.’s server had been breached by Russian intelligence agencies..." Chozick did not say who these "researchers" were, so we can only assume that she was again referring to the report paid for by the DCCC from CrowdStrike.
Now, I'm not saying that the hack wasn't the Russians. What I'm saying is that the NYT doesn't know for sure, and this is dangerous journalism when we've got every major Clinton endorsing news outlet simultaneously implying that some official US intelligence agency verified the Russians were behind the hack when no such official statement exists. Never mind if the reporting ends up being correct. By rushing to judgement, NYT, you've revealing your lack of objectivity yet again.
American intelligence agencies have said they have 'high confidence' that the attack was the work of Russian intelligence agencies..."
What officials? What agencies?
In the Eric Lichtblau report you linked, the only officials he cited were "Clinton campaign officials" and the private investigator, CrowdStrike, who is currently being paid by the DCCC to create these reports.
In that same Lichtblau report, the "intelligence agency" he cited/linked was just another NYT Amy Chozick article where she says Nancy Pelosi "learned of Russian involvement not through intelligence briefings, but through other means." Chozick later went on to say, "Proving a cyberattack is difficult, but researchers have said the D.N.C.’s server had been breached by Russian intelligence agencies..." Chozick did not say who these "researchers" were, so we can only assume that she was again referring to the report paid for by the DCCC from CrowdStrike.
Now, I'm not saying that the hack wasn't the Russians. What I'm saying is that the NYT doesn't know for sure, and this is dangerous journalism when we've got every major Clinton endorsing news outlet simultaneously implying that some official US intelligence agency verified the Russians were behind the hack when no such official statement exists. Never mind if the reporting ends up being correct. By rushing to judgement, NYT, you've revealing your lack of objectivity yet again.
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Read the article again. "Much of the briefing to the committee staff focused on the fact that American intelligence agencies have virtually no doubt that the Russian government was behind the theft..." That briefing was by the FBI. Is the FBI not an "official US intelligence agency" and did they not verify that the Russians were behind the hack? No rush to judgment - simply reporting, which is what news writers do.
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So an unknown reporter heard it from an unknown "staff member House and Senate Intelligence Committees" who heard it from some unknown "FBI official" behind closed doors? Again, where is the direct statement from the FBI? Which committee members were briefed and why would they anonymously leak a national security briefing to a NYT reporter? A good reporter would disclose this info or at least discus with transparently in the article why they are omitting it.
So an unknown reporter heard it from an unknown "staff member House and Senate Intelligence Committees" who heard it from some unknown "FBI official" behind closed doors? Again, where is the direct statement from the FBI? Which committee members were briefed and why would they anonymously leak a national security briefing to a NYT reporter? A good reporter would disclose this info or at least discus with transparently in the article why they are omitting it.
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And we can be absolutely certain of one thing: The New York Times, which was happy to publish the stolen "Pentagon Papers," won't breathe a word if other documents are published that undermine its favorite candidate, Hillary Clinton.
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Are you saying that the Vietnam War is equal to Benghazi?
Or are you saying the Vietnam War is equal to a private email server?
Or are you saying the Vietnam War is equal to a private email server?
Did Democrats write what are in the emails? Yes, of course they did, I hope that Julian Assange can show the world that his quest for truth and transparency is flawed if he only has one side of the story to share.
Mr. Assange, please treat what you know with care and don't let Putin and DT bastardize your creation to nothing more than another political weapon.
Mr. Assange, please treat what you know with care and don't let Putin and DT bastardize your creation to nothing more than another political weapon.
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I expect more from the New York Times. You are spreading the meme that the Russians did it (which the FBI disavowed earlier in saying they didn't know) and setting up Assange for real assassination after your character assassination.
Meanwhile the lead of this article that you buried - the possibility that a 27 year old DNC staffer was assassinated to keep these and other emails from coming to light - is not even discussed.
Meanwhile the lead of this article that you buried - the possibility that a 27 year old DNC staffer was assassinated to keep these and other emails from coming to light - is not even discussed.
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Maybe since they first said they didn't know that now they know?
The convenient timing of the DNC release also lanced the boil of the disaffection of Sanders supporters early enough to give space for some healing before November. Then, following some predictable Trump foot-in-mouth, there was the opportunity to further tie him and supporters to Russian 'Interests'. And then a flurry of anti-Trump messages from the Intelligence Community. Cui Bono? Certainly not 'The Russians'.
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The FBI has confirmed that the attack came from Russian Intelligence agencies and no one was assassinated in the DNC. What is wrong with people these days?
Watergate in the digital age. So, what else is new about the Republican operatives?
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Well, silly, if you are going to invoke the Watergate boogeyman, you must then realize no operatives were arrested. So if in your silly mind the Republicans are behind it, a big, big difference is they were not caught.
Of course, it also means you must admit that the Republicans are much smarter and much more tech savvy than the Democrats - making us question the suitability of a person adrift with high tech, like Hillary, for president in the 21st century.
Of course, it also means you must admit that the Republicans are much smarter and much more tech savvy than the Democrats - making us question the suitability of a person adrift with high tech, like Hillary, for president in the 21st century.
Well, it didn't take long for Donald Trump to elevate both sides to a level of hysteria not seen since McCarthy. You people need to calm down. If there's damaging material in these emails, it's not the Russians who did the damage - it would be the people who wrote the emails. If there's really material so bad that it could swing the election to Donald Trump - a clown and a jerk to boot - it must be so exceedingly bad that Americans should thank the Russians for revealing it (if indeed it's the Russians behind it).
Just this year Obama intervened in the UK Brexit election by trying to convince the UK to vote Remain. I don't remember one single voice in America raised against that intervention. Not one single voice. An important decision by a sovereign power, and the American President sticks his nose into it. Not to mention all the coups and CIA dirty tricks foisted on other nations. Elections are only sacred if they're American?
Just this year Obama intervened in the UK Brexit election by trying to convince the UK to vote Remain. I don't remember one single voice in America raised against that intervention. Not one single voice. An important decision by a sovereign power, and the American President sticks his nose into it. Not to mention all the coups and CIA dirty tricks foisted on other nations. Elections are only sacred if they're American?
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Obama spoke openly about his opinion in the Brexit election. There was neither a theft from the opposition party nor a coup perpetrated by the CIA. Let's not get confused.
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We all know the old joke: The US Government is the only one safe from intervention because there is no US Embassy in DC.
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Expressing your opinion is one thing; hacking emails is another.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...
Unless you're a connected financial or political insider. Then, when you're caught engaging in a massive pattern of fraud and election engineering, it is the fault of your enemies, a threat to the economy and/or national security, and so on.
Presumably, not only will you be given immunity but you will be bailed out, promoted and enriched beyond your wildest dreams, just to poke the Russians in the eye or whatever. What a crooked country.
Cynical? You bet...
Unless you're a connected financial or political insider. Then, when you're caught engaging in a massive pattern of fraud and election engineering, it is the fault of your enemies, a threat to the economy and/or national security, and so on.
Presumably, not only will you be given immunity but you will be bailed out, promoted and enriched beyond your wildest dreams, just to poke the Russians in the eye or whatever. What a crooked country.
Cynical? You bet...
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Funny, the so called political party supporters, of peace, are ready to start a new Cold War and even a hot one against Russia.
I run a web server and it is constantly being attacked by China and Russia. I have a list of IP addresses (several thousand), to prove it. I have software which blocks anyone from trying to break in. And I have security set up, as well. I have one break in attempt this morning from Serbia, which more than likely was also broken into and was being used as a "pass through" server.
What is going on? Well, they want to gain access, to use my server to help break into other servers and to hid their activities; hence the term "pass through" used above.
With that said, the Democrats, by ignorance, decided to pull an e-mail version of Watergate. And they did it on an unsecured server. And, despite using a Russian conspiracy theory, when the hackers got in they found damning e-mails; this was a stroke of luck. That is, they went phishing and found a treasure trove.
So, go ahead and blame, Trump, the media, Russia, etc. The real blame is stupidity and ignorance of the DNC. As well as, poor security on their servers, as well as Clinton's.
Again, there are many here who are dismissing content, and casting conspiracies. But, the adage is, if you do not want something hacked, don't use the Internet. Also, do not be surprised., that more is to come from Clinton's own unsecured basement server, or the DNC, because of the same reported lax of security.
I run a web server and it is constantly being attacked by China and Russia. I have a list of IP addresses (several thousand), to prove it. I have software which blocks anyone from trying to break in. And I have security set up, as well. I have one break in attempt this morning from Serbia, which more than likely was also broken into and was being used as a "pass through" server.
What is going on? Well, they want to gain access, to use my server to help break into other servers and to hid their activities; hence the term "pass through" used above.
With that said, the Democrats, by ignorance, decided to pull an e-mail version of Watergate. And they did it on an unsecured server. And, despite using a Russian conspiracy theory, when the hackers got in they found damning e-mails; this was a stroke of luck. That is, they went phishing and found a treasure trove.
So, go ahead and blame, Trump, the media, Russia, etc. The real blame is stupidity and ignorance of the DNC. As well as, poor security on their servers, as well as Clinton's.
Again, there are many here who are dismissing content, and casting conspiracies. But, the adage is, if you do not want something hacked, don't use the Internet. Also, do not be surprised., that more is to come from Clinton's own unsecured basement server, or the DNC, because of the same reported lax of security.
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Interesting comment, but you can't say the Democrats' ignorance is pulling another Watergate. Watergate was a burglary and theft from the opposition party in an attempt to undermine a democratic election. According to the F.B.I. the email thieves are Russians, not Democrats, trying to influence a democratic election, apparently because they favor someone who has praised Putin and has financial entanglements with Russians. Eight years ago, according to Fox News, Trump's son said, “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” Condemn the Democrats, but this is serious: It is like Watergate, but remember who the thieves are.
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A Reader, the content of the e-mails again is the importance, no matter who the thieves are. Hence my reference to Watergate. Nixon was brought down by tapes he created. The DNC and Clinton could be brought down by the e-mails they created. The Nixon Tapes had gaps; Clinton and the DNC have deleted e-mails. All were/are covering their tracks.
I do not advocate hacking. But, we no longer have an unbiased, non oligarch controlled press, like we did 40 years ago. So, site like Wikileaks are filling the void of The Washington Post and The New York Times, which have shown a great deal of partisanship in this election cycle. The "fourth estate" is on life support.
I do not advocate hacking. But, we no longer have an unbiased, non oligarch controlled press, like we did 40 years ago. So, site like Wikileaks are filling the void of The Washington Post and The New York Times, which have shown a great deal of partisanship in this election cycle. The "fourth estate" is on life support.
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The DNC's rigging of a primary in favor of one candidate IS burglary - it's burglary of the people's right to to participate in fair elections.
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May be the frequent use of unguarded private servers by Clinton and her close confidantes might have provided an opportunity to the Russian hackers to lay hands on such Wikileaks revealed emails. And, the disclosure of such hacked emails at the presidential election time might well be well calculated to influence the campaign in favour of Trump.
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And who else uses ALLEGELDY "unguarded" private servers besides Democrats? Check out G. W. Bush administration using private servers at RNC headquarters to conduct gov't business.
Check out Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice who used AOL and such accounts -- Powell stating that his practice was worse than Clinton's. Neither of those are being "investigated," of course, because (1) republicans, and (2) not running for President.
Intended to influence the election -- well, um, yeah. Assange has it personally in for Clinton because she attempted to nail him, while Sec. of State, for releasing US gov't diplomatic cables.
Check out Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice who used AOL and such accounts -- Powell stating that his practice was worse than Clinton's. Neither of those are being "investigated," of course, because (1) republicans, and (2) not running for President.
Intended to influence the election -- well, um, yeah. Assange has it personally in for Clinton because she attempted to nail him, while Sec. of State, for releasing US gov't diplomatic cables.
This entire campaign has exploded into a magnified version of Mad Magazine--Spy vs Spy and all.
How you view the hacking and publication of potentially damaging information released by Julian Assange, a right wing gadfly obsessed with bringing down Democrats depends on your politics.
What's truly alarming is how quickly a divided America takes sides against foreign intrusion into our affairs. We used to be united at any hint of foreign interference into our government.
No more! Now foreign cyber- espionage is fair game to use with or without intent. We will never likely never know the real truth on any of this for years, including whether our own officials, including people connected to the Trump machine were or are involved.
All I know is this: if outside governments are targeting only one political party, it makes me want to to the opposite of their goals. The latest Trump salvo is blaming President Obama for ISIS--as if he personally decided to help a terrorist group kill Americans.
The irresponsibility and recklessness shown by The Trump campaign, exacerbated by Russian meddling, should be a cause for condemnation by all thinking Americans.
How you view the hacking and publication of potentially damaging information released by Julian Assange, a right wing gadfly obsessed with bringing down Democrats depends on your politics.
What's truly alarming is how quickly a divided America takes sides against foreign intrusion into our affairs. We used to be united at any hint of foreign interference into our government.
No more! Now foreign cyber- espionage is fair game to use with or without intent. We will never likely never know the real truth on any of this for years, including whether our own officials, including people connected to the Trump machine were or are involved.
All I know is this: if outside governments are targeting only one political party, it makes me want to to the opposite of their goals. The latest Trump salvo is blaming President Obama for ISIS--as if he personally decided to help a terrorist group kill Americans.
The irresponsibility and recklessness shown by The Trump campaign, exacerbated by Russian meddling, should be a cause for condemnation by all thinking Americans.
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Yes, after there is some actual EVIDENCE, not just innuendoes and partisan political spin.
Nationalism not based in facts is scary as well.
Nationalism not based in facts is scary as well.
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The response to leaking information has been more closely tied to sentiments for and against government infringement upon privacy. This latest politicization of leaks is the result of the strategies of Clinton and Trump campaigns.
Obviously Clinton is interested in deflecting attention away from the damaging content of the emails even going as far as alleging a Russian conspiracy with Trump. Trump is interested in reminding everyone of how untrustworthy she is.
This will be the playbook used for every single leak going forward.
Obviously Clinton is interested in deflecting attention away from the damaging content of the emails even going as far as alleging a Russian conspiracy with Trump. Trump is interested in reminding everyone of how untrustworthy she is.
This will be the playbook used for every single leak going forward.
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Was Julian Assange also a right wing gadfly when Wikileaks leaked documents on Norm Coleman? Or nah?
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I despair at the lack of a sense of proportion and perspective in our society.
The new (well, relatively new) attack vehicle is people's electronic communications. Using so-called Freedom of Information requests (FOIA), those endowed with time and lawyers can make any individual's life hell.
Will the New York Times PLEASE report on Judicial Watch while we're at it. They seem eager to adopt the blanket condemnations but less eager to look closely at the decades-long campaign of persecution. Since it was burned earlier on this, it should be more diligent and even-handed. It's cheating to just say "corrupt" and "dishonest" instead of fact-checking the charges. Just because everybody and their sisters and their cousins and their aunts are saying it, that's no excuse.
If people just thought a little about how they would feel about their correspondence being twisted and publicized, they wouldn't be so eager to condemn the victims.
We've had this with climate science, and it is helping endanger our future by involving people in trivial condemnation of anyone who ever said what they thought in an unguarded moment.
We are drowning in words; just look at this comment section!
The new (well, relatively new) attack vehicle is people's electronic communications. Using so-called Freedom of Information requests (FOIA), those endowed with time and lawyers can make any individual's life hell.
Will the New York Times PLEASE report on Judicial Watch while we're at it. They seem eager to adopt the blanket condemnations but less eager to look closely at the decades-long campaign of persecution. Since it was burned earlier on this, it should be more diligent and even-handed. It's cheating to just say "corrupt" and "dishonest" instead of fact-checking the charges. Just because everybody and their sisters and their cousins and their aunts are saying it, that's no excuse.
If people just thought a little about how they would feel about their correspondence being twisted and publicized, they wouldn't be so eager to condemn the victims.
We've had this with climate science, and it is helping endanger our future by involving people in trivial condemnation of anyone who ever said what they thought in an unguarded moment.
We are drowning in words; just look at this comment section!
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If it weren't for Judicial Watch, Hillary Clinton and the State Department would still be claiming they had turned over all her emails and no one -- not even the State Department -- would know of the existence of her private server and all the emails on it.
I'd say we owe Judicial Watch a big "thank you" for keeping, or trying to keep, Hillary honest. That is a difficult and thankless job, and one that will be full time and desperately needed if she is elected.
I'd say we owe Judicial Watch a big "thank you" for keeping, or trying to keep, Hillary honest. That is a difficult and thankless job, and one that will be full time and desperately needed if she is elected.
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FOIA requests have always been able to be made of memos, notes, recordings, in whatever form they take. Always. These are the work-related correspondence of a public official. Of course the public has a right to know. We pay their salaries. And if it is found that a public servant has been careless with sensitive information, or has been giving State Dept jobs to her wealthy donors, well. The public has a right to be upset.
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Look, finding that people in the DNC were working on behalf of Hillary Clinton at the expense of Bernie Sanders is not trivial. I mean we pretty much knew it, but just like when your spouse is having an affair, you don't really know it until you know it. If they were so over the line that someone could suggest attacks on Bernie's religious beliefs, that is not trivial at all. Think about it. But then think about why the NY Times is highlighting the email hacks while not headlining the reveals of apparent quid pro quo's between the Clinton Foundation, Bill Clinton, and the US State Department under Hillary Clinton revealed not by hacking into servers but by Order of a Federal Judge. I'm a Democrat not a Republican but through Discovery the people now know what seems to have been going on. We knew but we didn't really know but now we know.
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The hacking seems to have been a little clumsy and ultimately fruitless.
What I worry about is in our new more digitized voting systems, it may be easier for sophisticated hackers to change voting results - without being caught - than with our old mechanical machines or paper ballots.
What I worry about is in our new more digitized voting systems, it may be easier for sophisticated hackers to change voting results - without being caught - than with our old mechanical machines or paper ballots.
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I have argued this is why we are not allowed a receipt of our votes.
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A hack that leaves little to no evidence of the intrusion is best described not as "clumsy", but as professional.
For the information security neophytes, my employer, a large financial institution is perfectly willing to fire staff over the mishandling of a single "highly sensitive: document. The mishandling of email as practiced by Hillary Clinton would have resulted in criminal charges, after dismissal.
For the information security neophytes, my employer, a large financial institution is perfectly willing to fire staff over the mishandling of a single "highly sensitive: document. The mishandling of email as practiced by Hillary Clinton would have resulted in criminal charges, after dismissal.
yes, very true. And who owns these voting machine companies ? What connections do they have to a political party or candidate ?
Very important questions, indeed.
Very important questions, indeed.
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Great time to be in the political 'damage control' business. How we gonna spin this? "The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!"
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Spin the Trump-Putin conspiracy narrative?
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Yes, it's really a laugh.
Just ask the Hungarians, the Ukranians, the Poles, Czechs, Kurds...
Just ask the Hungarians, the Ukranians, the Poles, Czechs, Kurds...
Did Democrats write what are in the emails? Yes, of course they did, I hope that Julian Assange can show the world that his quest for truth and transparency is an honest one. In this case, Wikileaks model is flawed if there is one side of the political story to share. Pretending there would be a litany of damning information from a similar attack on the RNC is simply disengenous.
Mr. Assange, please treat what you know with care and don't let Putin and DT bastardize your creation to nothing more than another political weapon.
Mr. Assange, please treat what you know with care and don't let Putin and DT bastardize your creation to nothing more than another political weapon.
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Why would that monster follow your suggestion? He has clearly taken sides to influence our elections, and has no conscience or scruples when it comes to doing his utmost to embarrass the entire Democratic Party.
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And at any point along the way, the content can be modified. What Assange shows the world could be reworked to the advantage of those hacking and releasing the content.
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Assange has weaponized WikiLeaks to serve his own angry purposes. He is cloistered in that embassy and shut away from the interaction that he craves, which is his own fault for his boorish, criminal behavior in Sweden, and his cowardly escape. All that's left for him now is to strike back at those he blames for landing in his current fix. If he blames Clinton, he will attack her the only way he can. He is truly pathetic and his mischief, along with that of the Russians, and the eager collusion of Trump, is harmful to our election and our country. What a troika of asses they are: Trump. Assange, and Putin.
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We need to go back to paper ballots. Candidate email accounts are one thing, but this sort of affair has me worried about the sanctity and security of the ballot, which is critical to America. If our voting machines were hacked… I don't want to think about it.
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Like when the exit polls didn't correlate with the official numbers in the D primaries?
This story is a maze of words, accusations and suspicions with no revelation of the hacker artist(s). Who else would love to skew American elections. It is curious, indeed, no Republican hackings have been mentioned. Technological espionage, in my opinion, is next to unstoppable. If it's not affecting the DNC it will infect the NIH, the Department of State, Department of Defense, Homeland Security, etc. thousands of etceteras. Once security is upgraded a new way to breach it is found. It overwhelms the senses. No one is, it seems, immune from it. Curious though that so far Republicans were not hacked but let's face it if God forbid Trump and his corrupt cronies were in power they would be fair game. He should not kid himself. The question is what to do about this insanity. I am sure 100% sure that this nation in probability makes use of hacking so Russians or any nation state beware. Those hacked can hack too or as the cliche says what is good for the goose will be good for the proverbial gander. Take heart those of us who think honesty and ethics are of paramount importance the other cliche of import: there is no honor among proverbial thieves.
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Our voting machines are already hacked. It's been very easy,... Which was the point. Ohio 2004, I know for sure. But any time the exit polls Don't match the results, we have a problem... Don't be naive.
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Aren't we the dancing fools. Putin riding on his white horse thumping his bare chest, Julian pounding the drums, Trump riding a fat pony grinning his grin, and the United States playing the court jester before the world spins out of control. What's next?
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And meanwhile Putin the samurai waiting with his sword in the shadows, his heart beating madly as he waits to call this new land Amerikkka his. Trump might take Manhattan (and Florida) but give Russia the rest.
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If Julian Assange and his associates can hack the accounts, can they not also modify, edit, and embellish the content? How do we know that the content has not been tampered with? Why believe Assange?
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If I had to choose between Assange and Hillary for truthfulness - I'd pick Assange in a heartbeat.
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Because he's never tampered with content before. No one from the DNC has disputed the validity of what he's produced, have they? No. Instead everyone implicated resigned. Sounds like an omission of guilt.
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My sentiments exactly. Whatever is released is suspect.
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I guess if you were prone to believe in conspiracy theories you might conclude that Trump is actually a Manchurian Candidate. Regardless of the likelihood of that I certainly do not want Putin's vote to count in our presidential politics. If nothing else Trump has said, done, or lied about disqualifies him for the presidency Putin's support certainly does...
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Now that was funny, and insightful. Great movie.
North Korea has also endorsed Trump.
I'm an older guy and I just can't remember a crazier election cycle and campaigns than this.
1. Perhaps the Russian hacking is retaliation for the economic embargo spearheaded by the Democrat White House.
2. I would believe that the American intelligence community is trying to make our government leaders paranoid of the Russians to reinforce their shadow government power. After all, they did insinuate that the Russians "May Have" hacked, but could not say............but they did say.
3. I'm more concerned about the military N.S.A. scooping up all Americans internet traffic and storing it.
4. So much for the internet bringing peace to the world. After all, it was invented by the military.
1. Perhaps the Russian hacking is retaliation for the economic embargo spearheaded by the Democrat White House.
2. I would believe that the American intelligence community is trying to make our government leaders paranoid of the Russians to reinforce their shadow government power. After all, they did insinuate that the Russians "May Have" hacked, but could not say............but they did say.
3. I'm more concerned about the military N.S.A. scooping up all Americans internet traffic and storing it.
4. So much for the internet bringing peace to the world. After all, it was invented by the military.
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Except that the N.S.A isn't doing that.
But go ahead: believe the right-wing anti-gov't fringe conspirabunk.
But go ahead: believe the right-wing anti-gov't fringe conspirabunk.
And yet you are still on it.
What is this with the "Democrat" this and that? The adjective is "Democratic"! Seems like even the Democrats (a noun) have picked up the Republican usage of denigrating (or shortening) the word "Democratic". This incorrect usage shows how the Republican party has invaded the English language for an underhanded put-down of the Democratic party. Wake up!
In the same article the NYT states that:
1) The Russians are too skilled to get caught breaking into HRC's personal email, so we will never know if they did.
2)The Russians are obviously responsible for breaking into the DNC's personal emails, because the are (presumably?) clumsy.
Which is it? Do the Russians want to get "caught" supporting Trump? That would, after all, be the truly devious spy game.
1) The Russians are too skilled to get caught breaking into HRC's personal email, so we will never know if they did.
2)The Russians are obviously responsible for breaking into the DNC's personal emails, because the are (presumably?) clumsy.
Which is it? Do the Russians want to get "caught" supporting Trump? That would, after all, be the truly devious spy game.
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True but you can probably chalk that up to bad writing given what national intelligence has said.
The Russians are obvious and so are the Chinese. Any internet site with a pulse is daily barraged with detectable intrusions, some prevented, some not.
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The DNC emails had traces of Cyrilic language, as though they had been on a Russian or other Slavic computer.
And what would some hacker do with emails from Trump on his repeated extraordinary concern for deposits held in the Bank of Cyprus? But yes, oligarchs did come to the rescue there. Then what, the Florida Trump mansion sold to, whom? Some say...
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The article states that Trump does not use e-mails. He's certainly not a megabrain, but he might be on to something here.
See David Cay Johnston's new "The Making of Donald Trump," which documents Trump's lifelong connections with mobsters, and his lying to gov't agencies and under oath in court proceedings.
Perhaps this will make clear to everyone the need for effective, user-friendly, end-to-end encryption. And maybe put paid to the bromide "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" at the same time.
Privacy is a right, not a privilege.
Privacy is a right, not a privilege.
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Nah. Most people have a prurient interest in the inner workings of others, and a desire to rush to judgment. Outrage is a drug, and many are addicted. The actual crimes of theft, and invasion of privacy, are ignored if they feed the beast.
If the Russians want to harm the Democrats, that's a really good reason to vote Democrat. All the way down that ticket, folks! Let's make it backfire.
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Right, Someone, vote instead for Russia's friend( and ours too) the Iranians!
Despite the proven corruption of Hillary Clinton? Interesting moral compass...
Interesting just targeting Dems. And its not like they can just 'hack' servers. This is an inside job - and I'll wager Trump has his tiny little fingers in it all (along with Assange).
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It isn't an inside job. But I would not be surprised if Trump is all for it, if not directly involved. No US banks will deal with him, and he is in debt to $650 million to Russian oligarchs/mobsters. They OWN him.
Hacking is the only way we find out what's really going on in this country. "Rule of Law", not so much.
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I call for US retaliation against Russia on all fronts save military. If it means hacking, then so be it.
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You actually think that US intelligence hasn't already either being doing this - or trying? And doing this to their own population insofar as is possible?
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Thus far, the only thing that has been "proven" is that the hack came through a Russian server. There is no way for the FBI to prove that the hack originated from Russia. It is just as likely to have originated from the United States.
Any "retaliation" against the Russians would be an extraordinary stupid move, because there's no guarantee that the Russians would not retaliate in a military way if they were, in fact, innocent.
Any "retaliation" against the Russians would be an extraordinary stupid move, because there's no guarantee that the Russians would not retaliate in a military way if they were, in fact, innocent.
Why such commotion about hacked DNC emails, while undoubtedly there is an evidentiary treasure trove of intrigue and corruption galore to be found in RNC emails which remain under wraps? After all for years the GOP and their legions of shrill extreme right wing pundits have been waging a veritable war of attrition on the Clintons ... their legacy and their character. It is one of the most ugly persistent prolonged smear campaigns in US political history.
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It is so simple and obvious: the Russians are trying to help Donald Trump get elected.
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Putin really wants Trump as stooge, I mean president.
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Exactly this. This isn't a "red scare;" this isn't a contest of ideologies. This is about a foreign leader trying to influence the American election so that a narcissistic, easily manipulated "useful idiot" is elected. Putin knows that simple flattery will get him everywhere with Donald Trump, so he's doing what he can to get him elected.
Paul, what flavor is that Clinton kool-aid you have been chugging?
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The dots are easy to connect:
1. Putin wants NATO out of its back yard, Trump is hostile to NATO.
2. Putin wants the former Soviet satellites states back in the fold. Trump thinks its fine if Putin takes them over.
The big question is why Trump would be such a willing accomplish. The most likely answer is that he is dependent on Russia for loans and he has debts that to Russia money sources.
1. Putin wants NATO out of its back yard, Trump is hostile to NATO.
2. Putin wants the former Soviet satellites states back in the fold. Trump thinks its fine if Putin takes them over.
The big question is why Trump would be such a willing accomplish. The most likely answer is that he is dependent on Russia for loans and he has debts that to Russia money sources.
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Which is probably why he doesn't want to release his tax return. It might show not only debt to Russia but also he is not nearly as rich as he claims, pays almost nothing in taxes and probably gives nothing to charity.
Oh yeah, since he is getting sued by someone every day ( thousands of law suits), he probably has millions he pays in legal fees.
Oh yeah, since he is getting sued by someone every day ( thousands of law suits), he probably has millions he pays in legal fees.
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This is exactly why. American banks do not lend to Trump. He does not repay (at least not in full and not until years of painful litigation).
The Russians of course have ways of making him pay.
Yeah, let's make him president and give him all the classified archives.
I hear there is a big story here.
Right.
The Russians of course have ways of making him pay.
Yeah, let's make him president and give him all the classified archives.
I hear there is a big story here.
Right.
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Trump has suggested the US break its alliances unless your 'allies' pay up since the 80's, when one of them was Japan. I think he just doesn't understand how alliances work and honestly thinks it's a good idea. Likewise with Crimea etc.; he just doesn't care about Ukraineans, and gets his information from the internet conspiracy cesspool.
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The real issue is not whether Russia tried to interfere in the election. We can assume countries with their own interests always do that. Rather, the extremely important question with profound implications is whether there was collusion with or instigation by the Republican Party and the Trump campaign.
Unfortunately, this is not a Hollywood script or a paranoid fantasy as there is, indeed, precedent: the Reagan campaign's dealings with Iran to tilt the 1980 election to him. From a Times article "New Reports Say 1980 Reagan Campaign Tried to Delay Hostage Release" reported on April 14, 1991, "[Gary Sick, a Middle East specialist] who helped handle the Iranian hostage crisis..., in an article published Monday... says he has heard what he considers to be reliable reports that a secret deal involving the hostages was begun during two meetings between William J. Casey and the Iranian cleric ...in July 1980. The allegation that there were meetings between Mr. Casey, Mr. Reagan's campaign chairman, who went on be the Director of Central Intelligence, and ... a representative of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, has been reported for the first time by Mr. Sick..... The Carter Administration hoped that it might obtain their release ... before Election Day, and Reagan campaign officials were concerned that the return of the hostages could swing the election to Mr. Carter."
Trump admires Vladimir Putin and questions NATO obligations in the face of a possible Russian attack. Quid pro quo?
Unfortunately, this is not a Hollywood script or a paranoid fantasy as there is, indeed, precedent: the Reagan campaign's dealings with Iran to tilt the 1980 election to him. From a Times article "New Reports Say 1980 Reagan Campaign Tried to Delay Hostage Release" reported on April 14, 1991, "[Gary Sick, a Middle East specialist] who helped handle the Iranian hostage crisis..., in an article published Monday... says he has heard what he considers to be reliable reports that a secret deal involving the hostages was begun during two meetings between William J. Casey and the Iranian cleric ...in July 1980. The allegation that there were meetings between Mr. Casey, Mr. Reagan's campaign chairman, who went on be the Director of Central Intelligence, and ... a representative of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, has been reported for the first time by Mr. Sick..... The Carter Administration hoped that it might obtain their release ... before Election Day, and Reagan campaign officials were concerned that the return of the hostages could swing the election to Mr. Carter."
Trump admires Vladimir Putin and questions NATO obligations in the face of a possible Russian attack. Quid pro quo?
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You doubtless heard Donald Trump publicly suggest to Russian hackers that they seek out and distribute more emails damaging to the Democratic Party and the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. Trump tried to backpedal that plea, made during the Democratic Convention, as "sarcastic" when it was obviously serious. Apparently, the Russians heard that appeal and responded. And if the emails weren't originally damaging enough to the Democratic Party, the hackers were free to delete, rewrite and create new emails without fear of discovery or reprisal.
We've interfered in more elections and helped overthrow more democratically elected governments than perhaps any other nation on earth. It's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. Perhaps this will give us pause when contemplating regime change in another country, but I doubt it.
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Oh for heaven's sake.
If it is in fact true that Julian Assange seeks to damage Hilliary Clinton's candidacy, then he has lost my respect. Not because I am fond of HIlliary Clinton, but because he would then be effectively supporting Donald Trump, for which, as Dan Rather said today, Julian Assange will have to answer to history.
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It is rather interesting to me that Assange feels safer with a Trump presidency when Trump has not evinced any interest in protecting or going easier on whistleblowers than Clinton. How does he know that a Trump presidency won't result in his prosecution any more than a Clinton presidency?
Why does Russia Today have broadcast rights on US cable?
Why does Asange live in the Ecuadorian Embassy?
Why does the press print stolen documents?
Does Wikileaks hold military secrets and will use them against its avowed enemy the US government?
Why does Asange live in the Ecuadorian Embassy?
Why does the press print stolen documents?
Does Wikileaks hold military secrets and will use them against its avowed enemy the US government?
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It's called 'freedom of speech' ;-)
Assange is in the Ecuadoran embassy because he is avoiding extradition to Sweden to face rape charges.
If he were to step out of the embassy, he'd be arrested on the spot.
If he were to step out of the embassy, he'd be arrested on the spot.
There will be threads back to Manafort, Flynn, Trump"s family. All have made millions off of Oligarchs close to Putin as "advisors" and are now "advisors".
All this demonstrates how afraid the Russians and in particularly Putin are of both Obama and Hillary Clinton.
If this is true, perhaps it's time to turn off the lights in half of Russia.
All this demonstrates how afraid the Russians and in particularly Putin are of both Obama and Hillary Clinton.
If this is true, perhaps it's time to turn off the lights in half of Russia.
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When asked if Trump has investments in Russia, they answered, "No".
When asked if Russia has investments in Trump, Manafort had a difficult time avoiding the question.
At least three of Trump's campaign advisors -- including Manafort -- have years of financial dealings with Russia and its oligarchs/mobsters.
When asked if Russia has investments in Trump, Manafort had a difficult time avoiding the question.
At least three of Trump's campaign advisors -- including Manafort -- have years of financial dealings with Russia and its oligarchs/mobsters.
This article said that Comey said that intruders had tried to hack Sec. Clinton's server. I don't recall that he said that, but rather that they may have tried to do so.
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He said there was no evidence that it was hacked.
Meanwhile, the State Dept. servers Clinton is condemned for not using were hacked.
And that's beside the point, because those servers aren't used for classified communications.
Meanwhile, the State Dept. servers Clinton is condemned for not using were hacked.
And that's beside the point, because those servers aren't used for classified communications.
A lot of people have been telling me that Trump is behind the email hacks, believe me. I've also received letters from quite a lot, I mean many, reliable sources that back this up. We need to figure out what's going on. I also heard from a lot of people, believe me, a lot of people that the NRA is helping to finance the Russian hackers. I also found out, from watching a lot of shows, that Hillary Clinton's campaign is trying to blame the Trump campaign for this mess. Until we get some investigators on this case the lying media should just forget about this story. Just sayin'
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A lot of people are writing about it, ok? Believe me.
Can someone please assure us that Donald Trump did not email Putin telling him he's had still another bad week and asking whether Vlad has anything in his hacking department that might be of use to deflect media attention from Trump's call ("just joking") to assassinate Clinton.
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Trump finally got what he wanted, this is treason, arrest him now! He told the world that he advised the Russians to do this, and they listened. How much did he pay for them to do this? How much does he owe the Russians?
This will be worse for him than the Democrats
This will be worse for him than the Democrats
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At this point, whose mind is going to be changed? It will only confirm what a Republican voter already believes and a Democrat will look the other way at the damning stuff.
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It seems to me that Donald Trump has such a large ego and such a small intellect that he would not be able to figure out that Putin could play him like a harp--which I think is most likely the case.
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Oh don't worry folks, this is just the Russians doing precisely as Donald J. Trump requested they do. They're just messing around with America's election this year, unlike in all previous years that I'm aware of, because Donald asked them to, and not for reasons of their own.
So yeah, just because this is only happening to one party, and Russia is doing it, definitely we shouldn't avoid voting for Donald J. Trump. He's in total control here, it's evident from his total avoidance of gaffes, and the Russians are merely carrying out his orders.
As for what the Democrats' emails contain, I'm going to withhold judgment until I hear what the Republicans' emails have in them. There's no yardstick otherwise, and I'm sure if a foreign government puts their mind to it they can hack the GOP's emails and let us all know what's going on behind the scenes. What do you say, Britain, want to tip our election the other way?
So yeah, just because this is only happening to one party, and Russia is doing it, definitely we shouldn't avoid voting for Donald J. Trump. He's in total control here, it's evident from his total avoidance of gaffes, and the Russians are merely carrying out his orders.
As for what the Democrats' emails contain, I'm going to withhold judgment until I hear what the Republicans' emails have in them. There's no yardstick otherwise, and I'm sure if a foreign government puts their mind to it they can hack the GOP's emails and let us all know what's going on behind the scenes. What do you say, Britain, want to tip our election the other way?
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Dan, you are truly at liberty to wait for the RNC's e-mails to make judgement; however as a supporter (you may recall the $27-folks, not the billionaires) of Bernie, I am only concerned with the shenanigans that took place at the DNC in support of Hillary and against Bernie. How bittersweet to to see the true colors and the perfidy of the Democratic establishment.
Of course you and others might come to terms that this was an effort by the Trump-Putin axis to get Bernie out of the way so that Trump could take on the weaker Democratic candidate.
Do remain steadfast to the premise that:"The Russians are coming..., etc."
Of course you and others might come to terms that this was an effort by the Trump-Putin axis to get Bernie out of the way so that Trump could take on the weaker Democratic candidate.
Do remain steadfast to the premise that:"The Russians are coming..., etc."
The Crowd Who Love(d) Snowden II, proving, once again, that the sequel is never as good as the original.
It's ironic how our great democracy just keeps on giving so much ammunition to the dictators of the world who tell their people how bad democracy is.
It's ironic how our great democracy just keeps on giving so much ammunition to the dictators of the world who tell their people how bad democracy is.
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"The F.B.I. says it has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else. But in June, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that intruders had tried, and that any successful intruders were probably far too skilled to leave evidence of their intrusion behind. Law enforcement officials said he had the Russians in mind."
Presumably Hillary didn't even know that her private email could be hacked or she never would have used private email for government business. That is how well qualified she is to be president.
Presumably Hillary didn't even know that her private email could be hacked or she never would have used private email for government business. That is how well qualified she is to be president.
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Clinton's server was not hacked. But the State Dept. servers she is condemned for not using were hacked.
An email address for the Secretary of State didn't even exist when she held that office. The first SoS to have a state.gov email address was John Kerry.
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As an old Brit well accustomed to revelations about highly trusted individuals exposed as Soviet sleepers or worse this comes as no surprise. In the past these shenanigans were only revealed in the novels of Len Deighton and John Le Carre and then much later when all the embarrassing info had been deep sixed in searing accounts of government laxity in the Guardian on the heels of a Parliamentary inquiry. Now with trump (no caps for such a poser) we see the whole game played out in full view. I invite you to my blog for a very short and satirical analysis of soviet - US Presidential affairs. w3.bobsterry.wordpress.com.
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The October surprise will be the publishing of Donald Trumps tax records revealing his true worth and the lies he has promoted for years.
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Trump has already said that he won't release his tax returns because they would damage his campaign.
It's already damaged to the degree that he won't be elected. And the email leaks backfire by creating sympathy for Clinton.
It's already damaged to the degree that he won't be elected. And the email leaks backfire by creating sympathy for Clinton.
Let us hope your statement is correct!
I personally would love to see Hillary Clinton stroll onstage toward the debate podium while clutching a Nordstrom's shopping bag filled with Trump's unredacted income tax returns. No need to pull any out; Trump's eyes would never leave that bag during the entire debate.
It's time to impose punishment on Ecuador until Assange is handed over and made to face justice for his crimes in Sweden. And then shipped to the US to face just for his crimes of espionage.
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If this is what war had become, let us be glad it's with computers and hacking and not our ninteen-yearolds in foxholes and tanks.
But this is some kind of attack. On the values and whatnot the dems try and sometimes fail, but try to uphold. And of broad American values as well.
Let us push on. The trumps of this world will not win.
But this is some kind of attack. On the values and whatnot the dems try and sometimes fail, but try to uphold. And of broad American values as well.
Let us push on. The trumps of this world will not win.
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We know what is in most of these emails. Evidence of people being terrible, careless with their words, scheming, dishonest, corrupt, despicable, trading campaign cash for political favors, favors for favors, and all the nasty gutter of American politics.
We know this to be true because we all feel, in our own way, the corrosive atmosphere created by the campaign finance system as it exists post Citizens United. Plus it's not like politics has ever attracted only the best of us.
The release of this information will force us all to make a choice, between chaos and the hard work of civic engagement. Inexcusable as the behavior we're going to be forced to reckon with is, there is no way Donald Trump's America is a place where that behavior can be addressed and our political wounds can begin to heal.
We know this to be true because we all feel, in our own way, the corrosive atmosphere created by the campaign finance system as it exists post Citizens United. Plus it's not like politics has ever attracted only the best of us.
The release of this information will force us all to make a choice, between chaos and the hard work of civic engagement. Inexcusable as the behavior we're going to be forced to reckon with is, there is no way Donald Trump's America is a place where that behavior can be addressed and our political wounds can begin to heal.
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First thing that comes to mind is that probably it wasn't such a bad idea for Hillary to have a separate server for her e-mail account down in the basement.
Assange is a worm and a wimp. Hope he is enjoying himself locked away in the closet of that embassy in Europe. Hillary was right in going after him for espionage years ago. In many ways he demonstrates the same narcissistic attributes as Donald.
More importantly - when is the American Public going to get to see Donalds tax returns??
Assange is a worm and a wimp. Hope he is enjoying himself locked away in the closet of that embassy in Europe. Hillary was right in going after him for espionage years ago. In many ways he demonstrates the same narcissistic attributes as Donald.
More importantly - when is the American Public going to get to see Donalds tax returns??
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Trump said that if he released his tax returns, it would damage his campaign.
Apparently he doesn't realize that his campaign is already that of a LOSER.
Apparently he doesn't realize that his campaign is already that of a LOSER.
"First thing that comes to mind is that probably it wasn't such a bad idea for Hillary to have a separate server for her e-mail account down in the basement."
So tired of seeing similar ignorant comments like this.
Sure, Hillary was preemptively avoiding supposed Russian hackers by using a private server that was unprotected for 3 months, and had as her domain the mysteriously-named clintonemail.com.
Anybody could have hacked into that.
So tired of seeing similar ignorant comments like this.
Sure, Hillary was preemptively avoiding supposed Russian hackers by using a private server that was unprotected for 3 months, and had as her domain the mysteriously-named clintonemail.com.
Anybody could have hacked into that.
Russia bashing is taking the place of confronting the actual national security crisis. We have two 1%ers running for the presidency ignoring the Wall St. directed Greatest Depression; crisis unemployment, declines in production and manufacture orders, unpayable debt foisted on the worker, family, business and students with no future. The Wall st owned two party political system that can only deliver WWIII, and Depression must be terminated. The US citizenry will have to step into the breach, and perform the necessary political intervention, demand the reorganization of the Fed, get the bailout $trillions back, tax and regulate Wall St, turn it into a Public Utility, fund the operations of the 50 states, activate the Full Employment Policy, then fund the redevelopment of North America that can begin to reverse the Greatest Depression upon us. Stop all operations of WWIII. Time is wasting, millions of lives are in danger. Eyes wide open.
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Unemployment is at a very low 4.5 per cent.
If you listen to Trump, and believe what he says, you are a dupe. A sucker.
If you listen to Trump, and believe what he says, you are a dupe. A sucker.
In light of how easy it is to modify an email, how do we know that anything the Russians or especially Wikileaks releases is even real?
For all we know, these “email revelations” are now nothing but a huge Putin Disinformation Campaign complete with fake emails which are “allegedly” authentic.
“The WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, has made it clear that he would like to hurt Mrs. Clinton’s bid for the White House, opposing her candidacy on policy and personal grounds.”
It is obvious that Julian Assange is conducting a concerted campaign against Hillary Clinton. I now doubt the legitimacy of the previously released DNC emails and I have absolutely no trust that any future releases by Wikileaks is even authentic.
For all we know, these “email revelations” are now nothing but a huge Putin Disinformation Campaign complete with fake emails which are “allegedly” authentic.
“The WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, has made it clear that he would like to hurt Mrs. Clinton’s bid for the White House, opposing her candidacy on policy and personal grounds.”
It is obvious that Julian Assange is conducting a concerted campaign against Hillary Clinton. I now doubt the legitimacy of the previously released DNC emails and I have absolutely no trust that any future releases by Wikileaks is even authentic.
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Assange's only political motive is to protect his own butt. He has no higher or nobler purpose.
NKDA2000: If you really doubt the veracity of the DNC e-mails, then ask yourself a very simple question: Why did Debbie and several other senior DNC staff resign and why did Hillary immediately re-employ Debbie?
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It is standard tradecraft among Russian hackers to edit, delete and manufacture new "hacked" emails to sow confusion.
Still not buying that the Russian state is behind this in some kind of Russia-Wikileaks-Trump conspiracy to make Trump the president.
It is a nonsense propaganda spin designed to draw attention away from the contents of the emails and designed to discredit anything damning by leaving doubt in observers that the information can be "trusted".
It also does that cold war routine of making anyone that pays attention to the information "un-American".
It is a nonsense propaganda spin designed to draw attention away from the contents of the emails and designed to discredit anything damning by leaving doubt in observers that the information can be "trusted".
It also does that cold war routine of making anyone that pays attention to the information "un-American".
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That are not only capable, they have ample motive.
The emails have been thoroughly examined. Heads have rolled. There's not much else to do or say about them. This isn't about drawing attention away from the emails.
We've seen the "controversial" emails (there was only one_ from the DNC. Another anti-Clinton nothingburger.
The voice mails hacked from the DCCC? Sank without a ripple because: nothing there.
The only "controversies" "in" them are those imputed by the Republicans, who are constantly inventing "scandals" instead of actually governing.
There were 8 investigations of the attack on Pearl Harbor, which killed thousands.
There was a half-"investigation" of the 9/11 attacks, which killed thousands.
There were 8 investigations of the Benghazi attack, which killed 4.
Under G. W. Bus, some 20 embassies were attacked, and 66 killed. No outrage, no investigations.
The voice mails hacked from the DCCC? Sank without a ripple because: nothing there.
The only "controversies" "in" them are those imputed by the Republicans, who are constantly inventing "scandals" instead of actually governing.
There were 8 investigations of the attack on Pearl Harbor, which killed thousands.
There was a half-"investigation" of the 9/11 attacks, which killed thousands.
There were 8 investigations of the Benghazi attack, which killed 4.
Under G. W. Bus, some 20 embassies were attacked, and 66 killed. No outrage, no investigations.
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assume everything sent electronically is for public consumption.
consider digitally-signing all such communication --
but do not assume encryption is a foolproof solution.
consider digitally-signing all such communication --
but do not assume encryption is a foolproof solution.
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It's far past time for some tit for tat here. Our spy agencies need to do some email hacking of Mr. Putin and his corrupt oligarchy, and let them know behind the scenes that their secrets will be leaked out if there are any more leaks about either U.S. political party before the election in November. I realize that the U.S. government cannot broadcast its aims or actions in this regard, but I seriously hope that this is what is happening.
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I think we had better all start living as if our lives are visible to the world, because more and more, they are. With cell phone video, hacks of email accounts, our expectations of privacy have to change. I am not saying that is a good thing, I am simply saying that is the way it appears to be now.
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more use of 'spin words' to agitate the hapless, ignorant voters.
this was clearly evidence that these emails servers/passwords/systems are so leaky and easily compromised, it make one (at least me) shudder at the level of competence within our national internet administrators. Aside from these blabbering political's claiming some lofty platform of ethical behavior, they seem clueless regarding the other 99 percent who wade thru life trying to keep ANYTHING private from 'the watchful eyes of the law'.
Trump? blabbering incessantly, inciting the worst in people. Hillary? the same, but simply unaware of the dangers she silently portends.
neither (or their media proxys) has the guts to dig deep into their actual capacity to perform as a president, and show factual evidence they can be one.
These are indeed dark times, darker than the darknet that has developed into a better and safer means of supporting the US Constitution's basic right to personal privacy.
If these fools want people to even get out and vote, they better start offering up some real carrots for the voters to reach for.
this was clearly evidence that these emails servers/passwords/systems are so leaky and easily compromised, it make one (at least me) shudder at the level of competence within our national internet administrators. Aside from these blabbering political's claiming some lofty platform of ethical behavior, they seem clueless regarding the other 99 percent who wade thru life trying to keep ANYTHING private from 'the watchful eyes of the law'.
Trump? blabbering incessantly, inciting the worst in people. Hillary? the same, but simply unaware of the dangers she silently portends.
neither (or their media proxys) has the guts to dig deep into their actual capacity to perform as a president, and show factual evidence they can be one.
These are indeed dark times, darker than the darknet that has developed into a better and safer means of supporting the US Constitution's basic right to personal privacy.
If these fools want people to even get out and vote, they better start offering up some real carrots for the voters to reach for.
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As Sec. of State, Clinton requested increased funding from Congress to increase security at embassies. Instead, the Republicans CUT the existing funding.
Then Benghazi happened -- and they blame Clinton.
The computer systems is the various agencies are out-of-date because Republicans are against the existence of those agencies, so cut their funding to the bone. And then they blame Democrats for the deliberately-created dysfunction.
Then Benghazi happened -- and they blame Clinton.
The computer systems is the various agencies are out-of-date because Republicans are against the existence of those agencies, so cut their funding to the bone. And then they blame Democrats for the deliberately-created dysfunction.
The Russians did it. My dog ate my homework. The real issues lies in incompetence in not protecting files.
If they did a real investigation they probably would find some pimply teenager living in his parents' dark basement did it. So they don't investigate and just blame the Russians.
If they did a real investigation they probably would find some pimply teenager living in his parents' dark basement did it. So they don't investigate and just blame the Russians.
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I doubt some pimply kid in his mom's basement left traces of Cyrilic in the emails.
Do you really believe nobody's been investigating?
Russia needs to pay for this. They need to pay both economically and politically. Russia is dependent on foreign purchases of their oil and gas: the US needs to undercut them at every point, and otherwise prevent their foreign sales. Further, we need to make it clear that Eastern Europe is out of their sphere of influence. Our allies in this is obviously the Eastern Europeans themselves. But we should probably stay out of Syria, which Putin is choosing as a 'proxy-conflict' to impress everybody that he still has power. Which he doesn't.
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Russia is only a tool, an instrument in truth wanting to come out
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Since when did we, the democratic powerhouse upon which the welfare of so many people in the world depends, allow ourselves to be manipulated by the self-serving actions of ego-narcissists who, for personal reasons, want us to put a man with the temperament of a two-year-old in charge of a nuclear arsenal that can potentially destroy us all? We do not accept unlawfully gathered evidence into our law courts for a reason. To do so would undermine the very foundation of who we are -- a nation of laws. We should not allow foreign entities to interfere with our election. Nor should we ever think it is okay to use information stolen by the government of a foreign adversary against our own citizens.
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I think it's past the time that Secretary of State Kerry confronts the Russian Ambassador and states clearly and forcefully that this has become a matter of national security, that as a result further sanctions will be implemented including but not limited to a freeze of all Russian assets and bank accounts of senior Russian officials as well as companies doing business in America and American companies. Further, that until and unless these cybersecurity attacks fully sponsored by the Russian Government are not immediately discontinued and written commitments made that no future acts of interference in the internal political affairs of the United States will be made by Russia and its surrogates, the United States will cease all diplomatic relations with the Russian Government and recall its Ambassador and all diplomatic personnel. Finally, any further provocation from the Russian Government against any NATO ally will be considered aggressive acts and military readiness measures will be taken to surround Russian forces and those sponsored by Russia now operating in Eastern Europe, including in Eastern Ukraine and the Baltic nations.
Mr. Putin, personally, will be held responsible for any and all acts of further provocation and interference, all of which in the aggregate may constitute acts of war upon the United States.
Mr. Putin, personally, will be held responsible for any and all acts of further provocation and interference, all of which in the aggregate may constitute acts of war upon the United States.
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To freeze Russian assets might force Trump into bankruptcy.
"The F.B.I. says it has no direct evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s private email server was hacked by the Russians or anyone else."
Is Mrs. Clinton still using that private server?
Is Mrs. Clinton still using that private server?
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Oh yes of course she's still using the very same private server that the Feds went over with forensics. No doubt about it.
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By the way, nothing you can do about the fact that only Democrats get hacked. Nothing to do folks. Although maybe there is. Maybe those hacktavist type people want to take a look at the GOP, NRA, or Trump? I don't know, I don't know. Now I'm not saying they should. Maybe one day they just get a little curious--just curious. I don't know. So if for no other reason, I mean it’s such an important – it’s one of the most important. For a lot of reasons, not just that but for a lot of reasons. But that’s so obviously, because for whatever reason, they say this could be the presidency.
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A really great impersonation of The Donald. But the hacked emails contain the truth.
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Trumpet --
You're good, very good.
You're good, very good.
As they would if the same thing happened to members of the Republican Party.
It sounds as if the Russian hackers had some Republican advice behind them.
After Watergate, the GOP needs to let someone else take the risk.
After Watergate, the GOP needs to let someone else take the risk.
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Julian Assange, foreshadowed the release — and made it clear that he hoped to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning the presidency...and saw her as a personal foe. If he had attempted to "hack" into the different GOP and supporters e-mail accounts for the purpose of bringing out into the light political manipulations of our country...then I would say Assange at least had a righteous cause but still would be doing it through illegal means. I would love to see the inner workings of say, I don't know, the Koch Brothers or any number of other ultra rich who want to dominate the world. Nope, Assange is just a skilled hacker, a single individual, who would sacrifice our country to get even with Hillary Clinton.
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We live in one of the most corrupt and immoral times ever known to man! That a corrupt and morally bankrupt electorate would put known liars, fornicators, grafters like the clintons in the White House show how degenerate our country has become! The politicians are degenerate, the system is degenerate , the media is degenerate , popular culture is degenerate , the world is degenerate! We are too far gone, a reckoning like no other awaits this country and this wretched world!
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Assange doesn't do the hacking. He just provides a forum for hackers to anonymously upload their spoils.
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Or maybe he just doesn't like the pay-to-play politics exemplified by the Clintons.
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If Assange cares so much about following the law, why doesn't he go back to Europe to face the justice system regarding the sexual assault allegations against him?
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How do I triple like this? They need to go into that embassy and get him, like now.
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I can't think of anything else left for Trump to do or say in order to be criminally charged. At least treason has already been proved. What has happened to USA? It has become a lawless country when it comes to presidential campaign?
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You have no idea what is treason and what can be proved.
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It would be denounced as a political interference in the election to arrest Trump for treason.
He is on thin ice with the Secret Service: his assassination "suggestion" puts their lives at risk.
He is on thin ice with the Secret Service: his assassination "suggestion" puts their lives at risk.
Thanks to our SC which has wrought us Citizens United.
Unite we must, US citizens, and turn on all the lights to see all the detritus and flush it out.
Unite we must, US citizens, and turn on all the lights to see all the detritus and flush it out.
If everyone is so sure the Russians did it, when is the Obama administration going to confront them about it? It's strange the us government has been so passive about this hack/theft/election manipulation, especially so since as president Obama is the titular head of the DNC - the very entity a foreign power compromised.
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Can you actually doubt that U. S. government hackers are equally busy against the Russians? Unlike Putin's minions, the American cyber spies are not foolish enough to reveal themselves for a meager reason. On the vast scale of espionage, Russia has squandered its talent on a handful of magic beans.
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Though I don't agree with the strategy, I guarantee you the government has already responded in a covert way. We have more incriminating evidence then they will ever have of us.
It is complicated, of course, since the Russians area helping (sort of) against ISIS in Syria.
I don't know why Assange wants to release people's personal emails. People have a right to have private opinions and communications--and to change those opinions after getting new information.
It is worth noting that if Hillary Clinton had sent the outrageous tweets Donald Trump has sent in the last year, or made the outrageous statements, her candidacy would be over. The public would not see such a person as qualified to be president. It is quite hard to believe that the polling gap between them is so narrow.
It is worth noting that if Hillary Clinton had sent the outrageous tweets Donald Trump has sent in the last year, or made the outrageous statements, her candidacy would be over. The public would not see such a person as qualified to be president. It is quite hard to believe that the polling gap between them is so narrow.
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Julien Assange is a criminal who desperately wants to keep Clinton out of the White House, because she very likely will find a way to extradite him to this country. He needs to face justice. Regarding Clinton's emails, everything she has said or done has been scrutinized for over 25 years by people who want to find something to "get" her on. They have tried hard but failed. So anything that can be used by the Republicans are essentially making them drool. (Even more than usual.)
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Polling gap is widening now however. I estimate that about 35% of the country is ignorant and dumb downed. Makes it very hard for Trump to have a chance, since he needs more than poorly educated white men. He needs independents and Dems as well, but most of them have brains and don't like what they have seen from DT over the conventions and last couple of weeks.
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Clinton is the most vetted candidate in history. And entirely exonerated -- by the Republicans themselves who conducted their serial witch hunts.
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Putin (KGB)-Trump (GOP) 2016
Let's Make Russia Great Again !
Let's Make Russia Great Again !
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It's so convenient that Trump chose a vice pres with a 5 letter last name beginning with 'P'.
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Sad that all you can do is joke about the neo-McCarthyism put out by Hill's trolls.
Laugh till you cry. Socrates?
Laugh till you cry. Socrates?
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It's time to take down Wikileaks. These are acts of war.
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Acts of war against the Democratic Party?
Taking down Wikileaks.org won't prevent them from publishing further material on any other domain or website. This is the internet.
Taking down Wikileaks.org won't prevent them from publishing further material on any other domain or website. This is the internet.
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Information about illegalities is an act of war ?
And should be taken down by those who committed the illegalities ?
Intresting logic.
And should be taken down by those who committed the illegalities ?
Intresting logic.
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Information about illegalities is an act of war ?
And the informant should be taken down by the ones who committed the illegalities ?
Interesting logic.
And the informant should be taken down by the ones who committed the illegalities ?
Interesting logic.
Beauty.
Political parties that select presidential candidates, set policy for the future, discuss strategy for the most powerful nation in the world, are subject to computer hacks by a long standing foe.
Homeland security, whatever you are, where are you?
I used to like Julian Assange, in this brave new world, we need whistle blowers. Unbiased whistle blowers. Julian Assange is not in that company.
This election will come down to the bottom of the barrel, or the scrapings from the side of the barrel.
Best wishes. From a Canadian who is truly afraid, and has been for a couple of decades now, about the direction your country is taking. It matters to me. The decisions you make affect me and my grandchildren.
Political parties that select presidential candidates, set policy for the future, discuss strategy for the most powerful nation in the world, are subject to computer hacks by a long standing foe.
Homeland security, whatever you are, where are you?
I used to like Julian Assange, in this brave new world, we need whistle blowers. Unbiased whistle blowers. Julian Assange is not in that company.
This election will come down to the bottom of the barrel, or the scrapings from the side of the barrel.
Best wishes. From a Canadian who is truly afraid, and has been for a couple of decades now, about the direction your country is taking. It matters to me. The decisions you make affect me and my grandchildren.
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Assange is a sociopath. I had my doubts and suspended judgment but it is now very clear: the man is nothing but a narcissistic bomb thrower.
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Canada and Great Britain have always been our best and true allies. Thank you.
Before I retired from military service almost two decades ago, articles were already appearing in professional military journals discussing the threat from "cyber warfare." While I cannot tell you what role our Homeland Security plays in meeting such threats, I can confidently tell you our military understands the threat. But, thanks to posse comitatus prohibitions (18 USC @ 1385), except, perhaps, as consultants, our military has no legal role to play.
Sadly, I also agree, this year our leading candidates for President are "the scrapings from the side of the barrel."
Before I retired from military service almost two decades ago, articles were already appearing in professional military journals discussing the threat from "cyber warfare." While I cannot tell you what role our Homeland Security plays in meeting such threats, I can confidently tell you our military understands the threat. But, thanks to posse comitatus prohibitions (18 USC @ 1385), except, perhaps, as consultants, our military has no legal role to play.
Sadly, I also agree, this year our leading candidates for President are "the scrapings from the side of the barrel."
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To Nancy: I second that
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This one is clearly in Obama's court. It is his responsibility to make an appropriate response but respond he surely must. The U.S. is a sovereign nation and a super power. You simply do not hack into our internal affairs without consequence.
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For whom do you think the FBI works? I believe this article says it is investigating the hacking. Our country has a Judicial Branch, a Legislative Branch, and an Executive Branch. The President's cabinet departments implement and enforce the laws. The FBI is one of those departments that works directly for the President. Therefore, Obama is doing his job through his "employees," so to speak.
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But US can hack into the rest of the world - including ally political leaders- without consequence ?
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Yeah, but -- but -- but -- we who don't know even the basics of how our gov't works, and have no acquaintance with reason and reality, believe we should be told everything the gov't is doing -- even if that adversely tips off the enemy to the detriment of the US and national security.
If these folks were not communicating in an official governmental capacity then we have no right to see these emails and there should be no impetus to release them. Ethically, this is so troubling. I have no idea why people are so untroubled by these privacy intrusions regardless of their feelings about particular candidates.
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This is a good point, and yet in the course of our own history, United States agencies and citizens have been accused of meddling the internal affairs of other nations, sometimes putting our own interests and values ahead of theirs. Now that it is happening to us, we seem to be more troubled.
I can't say it is right, but I can understand why we are a target.
I can't say it is right, but I can understand why we are a target.
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So just because Clinton used a "private" server for her emails, they should not be subject to scrutiny? All of them?
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Putting a server in one's bedroom closet blurs the line between private and public.
I really don't get this ... first we have the GOP blasting away at Clinton for Benghazi even after nine investigations going nowhere shamefully using the anguish of a mother who had lost her son to further Trump's ravenous political ambitions. When do we hear from the families whose kids in military service were killed in Bush/Cheney misadventures in the ME? There are thousands to choose from.
Then we have Clinton's emails undergoing an FBI administrative investigation of the State Department's email systems, prompted by a GOP request that appears to have been a deliberate effort to perpetuate the email issue that emerged from the Benghazi investigation. But this investigation did not cover the emails of previous GOP secretaries (Powel, Rice) did they?
Then we have DNC emails exposed through Russian hackers and released just as the Democratic convention is starting to deliberately stoke the fires of internal Democratic party squabbles while undoubtedly there is an evidentiary treasure trove of intrigue and corruption galore to be found in RNC emails which remain under wraps.
And now we have Trump refusing to release his tax returns, asserting voters have no right to see them. He's done this after months of leading people on saying he would release his returns in due course. Clinton has disclosed years of her personal tax returns long ago.
There's something terribly one sided about all this stuff. This is hardly fair and balanced ...
where the world is the media on this?
Then we have Clinton's emails undergoing an FBI administrative investigation of the State Department's email systems, prompted by a GOP request that appears to have been a deliberate effort to perpetuate the email issue that emerged from the Benghazi investigation. But this investigation did not cover the emails of previous GOP secretaries (Powel, Rice) did they?
Then we have DNC emails exposed through Russian hackers and released just as the Democratic convention is starting to deliberately stoke the fires of internal Democratic party squabbles while undoubtedly there is an evidentiary treasure trove of intrigue and corruption galore to be found in RNC emails which remain under wraps.
And now we have Trump refusing to release his tax returns, asserting voters have no right to see them. He's done this after months of leading people on saying he would release his returns in due course. Clinton has disclosed years of her personal tax returns long ago.
There's something terribly one sided about all this stuff. This is hardly fair and balanced ...
where the world is the media on this?
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The media has chosen to show Bill's photo instead of Hillary's on the night she secured the nomination. Every article headline is phrased as a question, whereas Trump's outrageous statements go up as headlines, without any question marks. My husband was talking about how the major Arkansas newspaper started this during the Clinton years here. He said that the paper kept the story in the headlines every day but never had anything new to say, just a slightly different spin on the original (and still unproved) accusations.
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If Trump released his tax returns, do you have the forensic expertise to make sense of them? I doubt you do. I know I don't. They would simply be toys for the various media to play with and feed us their interpretations.
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It all boils down to one word. Sexism. Period.
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Republicans seem to be falling back on the old Watergate Break-in Playbook. The deceitful and destructive motivation are the same but the playing field has become multi-dimensional and loaded with the most sophisticated high-tech internet snooping capabilities. Enlisting the services of Vladimir Putin's secret service computer assault squad as well as bringing on board WikiLeak's Assange required a lot of cash payable right now and a lot of heavy duty favors to be repaid in the future. Fortunately the Republicans have a large and famous network of filthy rich donors looking for excitement.
Oh, I forgot to ask, "Why weren't the Republican National Committee and related Republican fund fund-raising committees also hacked into?" Hmmmm?
Oh, I forgot to ask, "Why weren't the Republican National Committee and related Republican fund fund-raising committees also hacked into?" Hmmmm?
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My thoughts exactly. The old playbooks never die do they. Even advocating political assassination to get their way. Just ugly. But, hey, this is the world we live in, and evil is triumphing when Putin and Assange get to call the shots in our country.
It was August 2014 when McCain, Graham, and Ayotte warned of a dark and dangerous future if America did not confront Putin's Russia.
Less than six months back, Mitt Romney was taking credit for being right on Russia in the debates with President Obama in 2012, and the pundits on Faux News were happily crowing that President Obama had been wrong on Russia.
Where is the Republican outrage now when the same Putin's Russia is meddling in the politics of our country with the intent of affecting the result of the 2016 election?
Hypocrites. Spineless opportunists.
The Democrats had better be ready for an October Surprise from Trump thanks to Russia. I hope they've got enough dirt on Trump to hit back hard in such an eventuality.
Yes, love trumps hate... but there's also a time and a place for tough love.
Less than six months back, Mitt Romney was taking credit for being right on Russia in the debates with President Obama in 2012, and the pundits on Faux News were happily crowing that President Obama had been wrong on Russia.
Where is the Republican outrage now when the same Putin's Russia is meddling in the politics of our country with the intent of affecting the result of the 2016 election?
Hypocrites. Spineless opportunists.
The Democrats had better be ready for an October Surprise from Trump thanks to Russia. I hope they've got enough dirt on Trump to hit back hard in such an eventuality.
Yes, love trumps hate... but there's also a time and a place for tough love.
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I guess the "high confidence" of unnamed intelligence officials means there's still no evidence to share that it was the Russians.
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Do you think that the government is going to tell the Russians through a new service what they know about Russian hacking and how they got the information? Even Republicans with the information say that it was the Russians. Trump sheep would deny it if the Russians admitted it.
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Don't worry: when they have facts not for public consumption they'll notify you of them personally.
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"Hack" is the wrong word. It is theft. Someone broke into offices and homes sand stole files. These files were work related correspondence between members of the Democratic Party.
There is no evidence that the theft of these files was in any manner a case of a brave whistle-blower revealing a crime. No, this theft appears to be part of a plan to at best embarrass public officials and at worse influence US elections.
It is a crime, not a hack.
There is no evidence that the theft of these files was in any manner a case of a brave whistle-blower revealing a crime. No, this theft appears to be part of a plan to at best embarrass public officials and at worse influence US elections.
It is a crime, not a hack.
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"Hack" isn't the wrong word. It is a word that refers to the act of breaking into a system, perhaps changing settings, files, etc. -- There is no implication of whether one has permission, in the word itself.
Ethical hacking is when one has permission and it is done to expose security flaws so that they can then be corrected. Criminal hacking happens without permission and is done to steal, sabotage, alter, etc., information, with the intent of doing harm. Both of these acts fall under the umbrella "hacking," and the distinction is not in whether they are hacking or not, but whether they are criminal or not.
So, yes, it is a crime, and yes it is also a hack.
Ethical hacking is when one has permission and it is done to expose security flaws so that they can then be corrected. Criminal hacking happens without permission and is done to steal, sabotage, alter, etc., information, with the intent of doing harm. Both of these acts fall under the umbrella "hacking," and the distinction is not in whether they are hacking or not, but whether they are criminal or not.
So, yes, it is a crime, and yes it is also a hack.
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Kind of like our government does to us and other countries (Angela Merkel). They deserve it after ignoring all the security warnings they received. I'm actually glad the DNC was hacked as the truth of their corruption has been brought to light. It's time for the DNC to clean house. I'll be interested to see what else they have, especially since Assange hinted towards having more on the Clinton Foundation.
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Yes, they should get embarrassed.
And they should change their behavior.
And maybe our political system will get better.
And they should change their behavior.
And maybe our political system will get better.
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Just like body cameras can protect good cops and protect good citizens, transparency in politics is good too.
If email messages made public by Wikileaks expose misconduct, and it can help clean up our dirty political system, so be it.
Lots of lessons have been learned in this election season.
If email messages made public by Wikileaks expose misconduct, and it can help clean up our dirty political system, so be it.
Lots of lessons have been learned in this election season.
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This only makes sense if we also got all the GOP emails. By only releasing DNC emails, Wikileaks is trying to force the results of our election to Putin's and their bidding.
At this point, Wikileaks is conducting a full scale war against the United States and the Democratic Party.
Besides, since emails can be easily modified, how do we even know any of the future "email" bombs are even authentic? As far as I'm concerned, any Wikileaks revelation is fake until proven real.
At this point, Wikileaks is conducting a full scale war against the United States and the Democratic Party.
Besides, since emails can be easily modified, how do we even know any of the future "email" bombs are even authentic? As far as I'm concerned, any Wikileaks revelation is fake until proven real.
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Um, the DNC is a PRIVATE party. Releasing private emails is criminal behavior. You are not entitled to this information. Unless you want to live in a country with no rule of law.
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Assuming you're right, that interest isn't served by a hack of only one political party's electronic communications.
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If a large number of emails are released from Democratic officials and they prove damaging to the Clinton campaign, don't be surprised if more damaging hacked emails of the RNC, the RGA, the NRA and the Trump campaign are released.
Trump represents such a clear and present danger that GCHQ and DGSE have probably collected the emails and will release them if necessary to prevent Trump controlling the nuclear codes and being Putin's lapdog.
Trump represents such a clear and present danger that GCHQ and DGSE have probably collected the emails and will release them if necessary to prevent Trump controlling the nuclear codes and being Putin's lapdog.
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If Julian Assange is hellbent on defeating Hillary Clinton and putting Trump in the White House then he is more malevolent than we ever suspected. He's a kind of sadistic, comic book super-villain who operates out of vindictiveness and a delight in creating chaos. In that way he's starting to resemble Trump. In all his isolation, Assange has gone mad and lost any claim to noble intentions, especially if he wants to enable Putin's expansionist policies.
The invasion of anyone's privacy is a deadly serious crime and hackers in all nations must be brought to justice. The government of Ecuador should be punished for harboring a criminal.
The invasion of anyone's privacy is a deadly serious crime and hackers in all nations must be brought to justice. The government of Ecuador should be punished for harboring a criminal.
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Political corruption and "pay for play" is a deadly serious crime, especially when one is running for the Presidency of the United States. If Laura Bush held a high government post and speaking fees for "W" went from $100k to $500k or $1 million overnight, with those fees paid by individuals and entities having business before Laura's office, or where emails showed, her aides arranged special favors for those paying the inflated speaking fees, the outrage would be deafening and criminal charges would likely follow. It should be no different now.
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And the US/NSA hacking of the privacy of the rest of the world (including leading ally politicians) should be punished how ?
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W could never get high speaking fees because he was a failed president and had no insights worth seeking. Hillary demanded Bernie Sanders reveal just how her speeches to Wall Street influenced her votes and he had no answer. This is Whitewater and Vincent Foster all over again -- there's no there there.
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The Clinton campaign has been able to portray itself as the calm steady leadership in a turbulent world. I mean it's remarkably easy when juxtaposed against Donald Trump.
But let's not selectively remember how the Clintons actually govern. They do so in a cloud of scandals either real or perceived. Not the years of calm or steady leadership they portray but through a constant and relentless grind through scandals and rumors of scandals.
With so much data hacked and the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play rumors just starting to surface (I mean the DOJ disallowed the FBI from investigating the Clinton Foundation in Jan. and thats just came to light this week) it is apparent there is enough fuel for this fire to last well into HRC's first term.
As for the leaks of course we should be worried if the Russians are trying to undermine American democracy and respond accordingly. We should also respond accordingly and do the same to the DNC and not lay the Democratic Party's mistakes at Russia's door. Maybe the Russians threw our own trash into our window but we're going to have to pick it up regardless.
Ultimately, Donald Trump is a unique threat to American civil liberties as well as the safety of the world. However, that should not allow us to create illusions regarding the Clintons or the Democratic Party and how they operate.
Freedom and Democracy are so much more than what happens of Election Day and we should hold all who wield power equally responsible for their actions.
But let's not selectively remember how the Clintons actually govern. They do so in a cloud of scandals either real or perceived. Not the years of calm or steady leadership they portray but through a constant and relentless grind through scandals and rumors of scandals.
With so much data hacked and the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play rumors just starting to surface (I mean the DOJ disallowed the FBI from investigating the Clinton Foundation in Jan. and thats just came to light this week) it is apparent there is enough fuel for this fire to last well into HRC's first term.
As for the leaks of course we should be worried if the Russians are trying to undermine American democracy and respond accordingly. We should also respond accordingly and do the same to the DNC and not lay the Democratic Party's mistakes at Russia's door. Maybe the Russians threw our own trash into our window but we're going to have to pick it up regardless.
Ultimately, Donald Trump is a unique threat to American civil liberties as well as the safety of the world. However, that should not allow us to create illusions regarding the Clintons or the Democratic Party and how they operate.
Freedom and Democracy are so much more than what happens of Election Day and we should hold all who wield power equally responsible for their actions.
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Ah yes, continual rumors of scandals about the Clintons. Remind me, who started those rumors?
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The better of two evils. Deal with the Clintons later.
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Oh please. Enough with the self-serving Clinton bashing. We have had 30 years of "accusations" and scandal-mongering and I am sick of it.
Just because something is said over and over does not make it true.
CC: Trey Gowdy, Tom Cotton, Newt Gringrich, et al
Just because something is said over and over does not make it true.
CC: Trey Gowdy, Tom Cotton, Newt Gringrich, et al
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Government transparency is something I support. Officials should be held accountable for their actions and held to high standards, as they reflect our country. That said, this transparency is being utilized by foreign individuals during election time, and it will certainly influence the outcome of the election. I do not support that. This is our country and our election, and these foreign individuals have no place in it. -- And, if they really want to claim transparency, I'd like to see them release e-mails from Trump's campaign. But, they didn't, did they? Isn't that convenient, considering Assange's distaste for Clinton? --Transparency isn't all that honest a venture when it involves such an obvious personal agenda.
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J.D. In this atmosphere of lies and cage-fighting politics, there is no such thing as transparency. Even the most innocuous and most innocent communications can be, and are, distorted, cropped, and misrepresented. In a country where "free speech" is revered, we know that free-speech is very expensive. I'm not short of speech, but I can't call in casually to a TV or radio show and get on the air. Trump has been put in immediately his call is received. And he has said all sorts of lies and calumnies.
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Transparancy is transparancy even if it is forced upon you from people you don't like and at inconvenient times.
That's basically what journalism is (was) all about: to reveal inconvenient information about the rulers of the world) but most people have forgotten.
That's basically what journalism is (was) all about: to reveal inconvenient information about the rulers of the world) but most people have forgotten.
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And Putin's distaste for Clinton: some interviews on NPR suggested that Putin was enraged when Hillary Clinton asked an international group to investigate a particular Russian election for fraud/manipulation, and that he has been spoiling to get back at her for that ever since.
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When the selective leaks with context removed do appear, will the press obsess on the manipulated spin on the content, or, please, actually get around to covering the national and international policies that are being decided by this election?
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So some Americans think it's OK to have have an axis of Putin, Julian Assange and Donald Trump determine the future of America. And that's patriotism?
As if Russian hackers couldn't have as easily dug up dirt from the RNC... And as if Assange couldn't have released embarrassing GOP staffers email on Wikileaks.
This election is for Americans to decide, not the espionage axis and their Manchurian Candidate, Trump.
As if Russian hackers couldn't have as easily dug up dirt from the RNC... And as if Assange couldn't have released embarrassing GOP staffers email on Wikileaks.
This election is for Americans to decide, not the espionage axis and their Manchurian Candidate, Trump.
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The Russians did it? Why not the boogeyman? Or the reaugareau? Every time I read that line I chuckle. They really believe the American public is so stupid as to believe that if we got hacked it had to be the Russians. If it was not so pathetic it would be laughable. Who comes up with this tripe? Maybe it was aliens. Maybe Bigfoot did it. Maybe Eskimos or people living inside the earth. Maybe it was Snowden or the tooth fairy. But for the headlines and so we don't admit we have no clue how to protect our stuff ...let's say it was the Russians. Again. Darn Russians.
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I heard interviews on NPR yesterday with cybersecurity experts who specialize in Russia, and they talked about the markers they found to indicate a very high degree of probability that Russia is behind this. Their investigation is not finished, but they were pretty convincing.
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You need to get your conspiracy theories straight - this one is actually true.
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I don't believe that anyone knows this was done by Russians.
This could have been done by anyone who had gained access to Russian software tools and used them to both both perform their work and cover their tracks accordingly.
This could have been done by anyone who had gained access to Russian software tools and used them to both both perform their work and cover their tracks accordingly.
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Really-- maybe you should get out of the woods once in awhile. It is beyond obvious who are enemies are and what their agenda is.
"His killing fueled speculation on the internet that he was somehow tied to the hacked emails, but the police have not given any credence to that speculation."
I agree with this statement but I'm also not accepting the evidence-free assertion that "the Russians did it." Sometimes, we just have to put our politics aside and admit we don't know.
I agree with this statement but I'm also not accepting the evidence-free assertion that "the Russians did it." Sometimes, we just have to put our politics aside and admit we don't know.
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Politics has very little to do with knowledge. Knowledge and facts are often very inconvenient in politics. Rumors work a lot better.
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"the evidence-free assertion that "the Russians did it.""
Would you really expect the FBI to publicly share all the evidence it has indicating that it was the Russians who originated the attack? Do you understand that an adversary, knowing what evidence we have of their complicity, could determine our capabilities and strengthen their defenses against us?
Would you really expect the FBI to publicly share all the evidence it has indicating that it was the Russians who originated the attack? Do you understand that an adversary, knowing what evidence we have of their complicity, could determine our capabilities and strengthen their defenses against us?
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Lets agree upfront that Donald Trump should never be President and that Russia is an enemy.
That being said, the specter of "damaging or embarrassing" emails existing is the issue at hand. If emails are released and are genuine, a honest party has nothing to fear. But if such emails do show corruption or other unethical behavior, what does this say about the prevailing party and its candidate? Will then country truly have faith and confidence in those who obtain power in this manner?
That being said, the specter of "damaging or embarrassing" emails existing is the issue at hand. If emails are released and are genuine, a honest party has nothing to fear. But if such emails do show corruption or other unethical behavior, what does this say about the prevailing party and its candidate? Will then country truly have faith and confidence in those who obtain power in this manner?
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