Mr. Trump has a habit of using the phrases "I don't know" and "you tell me"when he may need to hedge a statement later. I wish that a Times reporter would compile Trump quotes that include one or both of these. We may learn something about him from an examination of such statements.
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What I can't understand is how Governor Pence is willing to self-immolate his own political career by running with this sleazy lunatic. Surely he must understand that once they lose, which they will, it's all over?
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Don't forget to vote with your wallets too. Stop going to Trump casinos, don't stay at Trump hotels, cancel your membership to Trump golf courses, move your office out of Trump Tower. If Trump stops making money, the entire family will go away and become common people. And I don't really see the good folks from Idaho, Alabama and Nebraska picking up the slack for him in NYC, Vegas, and the UK. Maybe he should build his empire in those dark red states instead!
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Trump is an utter buffoon and his 15 minutes are nearly over.
That said, why does the Times allow readers to comment on this article (and every other article on Trump's lunatic ravings) yet not allow comments on articles regarding seemingly serious misconduct by Mrs. Clinton? Today's piece on the State Department/Clinton Foundation nexus is only the most recent example.
That said, why does the Times allow readers to comment on this article (and every other article on Trump's lunatic ravings) yet not allow comments on articles regarding seemingly serious misconduct by Mrs. Clinton? Today's piece on the State Department/Clinton Foundation nexus is only the most recent example.
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Openly carrying a gun is an implicit threat that if the gun owner doesn't get his own way, he will shoot someone. Although this threat is generally pretty clear, it is never stated. Trump just put it into words. He is not suggesting anything particularly new, he is telling us something we already sense, but don't say. And he is OK with the country being like this.
The really shocking thing is not that Trump would make this suggestion, but that we are willing to accept these implicit threats, which are there whether Trump points them out or not.
The really shocking thing is not that Trump would make this suggestion, but that we are willing to accept these implicit threats, which are there whether Trump points them out or not.
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It"s time for change.
vote the Repubs out.
All of them.
vote the Repubs out.
All of them.
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The only joke that has gone bad is Trump running for president.
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The worst thing about T-Rump is that other cretins, like Rubio and Ryan, look almost reasonable in comparison. In fact, they are just as bad or worse, but they know how to package their hatred and misogyny so that it seems almost palatable. Vote straight Democrat; defang the GOP.
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Lock him up! Lock him up! How far does Donald Trump have to go before he is stopped? He'll never be president. He's a threat to national security and his political opponents. How foolish are we to allow him to continue to rile up the tired masses. He is not funny. Charge him with treason. Charge him with being criminally insane. Just get him off the ticket and off of our TV screens. This is an emergency. We need to do everything in our power (legally) to put an end to the unrest he is causing. Yes, this is a free country, but freedom ends when you put other people's lives and possibly our entire nation in jeopardy.
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First Trump called on a hostile foreign power to hack his opponent’s emails. Now, he is calling for her (and her judicial appointees) assassination. Are the calls to violence of Trump and his supporters, like Al Baldasaro, against their political opponents so different from those of radical jihadist imams? Too often, those calls are heeded by unstable, violent young men who are triggered to commit murder. We don’t excuse those imams. We hunt them down. Tom Friedman explained today how vicious talk calling for Israeli Prime Minister Rabin's death resulted in his assassination by an extremist who answered the dog whistle. Trump should be held criminally responsible for any lunatic he incites to political violence.
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Each time he speaks he seems to lose even more of the minimal Level of SelfAwareness he has left.
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All y'all Trump supporters who claim a biased media--you're developing a persecution complex based on nothing. Trump's own words show how unfit he is. It doesn't actually require any analysis--just witnessing his statements is enough.
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Day-by-day Donald Trump chips away at civility in our country to meet his narcissistic needs.
For this he will be most remembered.
For this he will be most remembered.
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Almost all of the news coverage and even this article stopped the quote at “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” What made it threatening is what he said after that. He said, "That would be a horrible day!" So his statement can't be about Second Amendment people coming together to vote against Clinton unless that is what he considers to be "a horrible day".
That is even separate from the fact that in his statement, Hillary has already been elected President. That is why she is picking her judges. A commenter last night said that the phrase means the 2ndA people are getting their senators to vote against Hillary's SCOTUS nominees. But again, that doesn't mesh with that action being "a horrible day".
Any day he considers to be horrible sure doesn't sound like a joke in line with the rest of his comments.
That is even separate from the fact that in his statement, Hillary has already been elected President. That is why she is picking her judges. A commenter last night said that the phrase means the 2ndA people are getting their senators to vote against Hillary's SCOTUS nominees. But again, that doesn't mesh with that action being "a horrible day".
Any day he considers to be horrible sure doesn't sound like a joke in line with the rest of his comments.
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He knows the mind of his rabble-rousing supporters. Trump doesn't joke. He's deadly serious and he planned that phrasing. He clearly telegraphed permission to some weak, aggrieved person out there to commit murder on his behalf. Trump would kill to win -- merely to avoid being labeled a loser. He is a textbook sociopath.
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Here we are, 24 hours after Trump delivered a direct threat to Hillary Clinton via a stochastic message to NRA supporters. Why has Trump not been charged? Are the rules different for Trump than other U.S. citizens?
Adding to this disgust is that neither Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell have cut this pariah loose. Unacceptable irresponsibility! Every newspaper should call for Trump to withdraw, and voters should make these Republican cretins pay this November.
Adding to this disgust is that neither Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell have cut this pariah loose. Unacceptable irresponsibility! Every newspaper should call for Trump to withdraw, and voters should make these Republican cretins pay this November.
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Much more important than what donald meant is how his words might be heard as a message, interpreted by those vulnerably unhinged, rage filled, victim feeling followers whose anger he stokes openly and subliminally all the time.
A second thought. If something were to happen (heaven forbid), do you think donald would/ could recognize and take responsibility for any part his words might have played?
Doesn't it make you shudder to think of him officially speaking for our country nationally and internationally?
A second thought. If something were to happen (heaven forbid), do you think donald would/ could recognize and take responsibility for any part his words might have played?
Doesn't it make you shudder to think of him officially speaking for our country nationally and internationally?
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The "honest" liberals and left wing billionaires (they are communists who love money, if one can imagine that) control the main stream media in this country, so it's no surprise that day in and day out they disseminate their negative views about a conservative like Trump. It seems that Trump is personally threatening to these people.
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Why is he not under arrest? This goes beyond being aghast over his lack of decency. Besides being under arrest, Trump needs to be thoroughly investigated for ties to white supremacist and other nefarious groups, nationally and internationally. If he were Hillary, the tribunal would have gathered already.
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The deliberately ambiguous comments of serial inciter and know-nothing DJ Trump aside, I am sick and tired of hearing gun control positions or policies described as "anti-gun" or against the spirit of the 2nd amendment. That is a fabrication and outright untruth that needs to be challenged whenever it is asserted. Advocates for stricter, more effective gun control measures are not anti 2nd amendment. Many of them own guns. Let's get beyond this black and white nonsense to the grays and shadings that need to be articulated.
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Maybe Trump will go the way of Palin when the election is over. On her website, she famously placed target graphics on a democratic congressional districts map while telling her second amendment supporters to "reload" and then Gabrielle Giffords got shot. Palin also feigned ignorance of the impact of her words and actions with the help of the conservative media cluster but has largely slipped into politcal irrelevance. We can only hope the same thing happens to the dangerously loose lipped Trump.
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How long are the American people going to put up with this man, it is actually becoming dangerously ludicrous.
I am afraid that the American people today have lost their voice.
Had this been the 1960’s, the people would have locked Washington down until Trump was arrested, we do not have that spirit today.
He would have long been forced to drop out of the race.
Trump should have been arrested when he asked a foreign enemy to hack into American emails.
A powerless Republican puppet Paul Ryan and an even weaker Republican Party are sitting back and watching this sick version of American Reality Television.
Is there not one American who will stand up and force this man’s removal from the race?
The stench of Donald Trump politics may stain the USA for decades to come.
I am afraid that the American people today have lost their voice.
Had this been the 1960’s, the people would have locked Washington down until Trump was arrested, we do not have that spirit today.
He would have long been forced to drop out of the race.
Trump should have been arrested when he asked a foreign enemy to hack into American emails.
A powerless Republican puppet Paul Ryan and an even weaker Republican Party are sitting back and watching this sick version of American Reality Television.
Is there not one American who will stand up and force this man’s removal from the race?
The stench of Donald Trump politics may stain the USA for decades to come.
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Republican strategies, objectives and tactics have been in a downward spiral since Ronald Reagan was President. We are clearly at an inflection point in our democracy. Its pretty clear that a majority of Republicans at the federal and state levels are willing to foster anarchy if they believe it will enable them to achieve their political objectives.
The citizens of the United States need to unite in support of our democracy (which is more important than any single political party) and vote to remove Republicans from any and all political positions upstream and downstream (federal and state levels). Republicans need time to determine who they really are, where their loyalties lie and what their role should be in a fully functioning democracy.
The United States cannot risk its position in the world because a group of non-college educated white males miss the authority their white privilege used to provide them and a small group of extremely wealthy oligarchs will lose control of having to pay their fair-share of taxes.
If we are going to survive as a nation...we must have a stronger moral character than this.
The citizens of the United States need to unite in support of our democracy (which is more important than any single political party) and vote to remove Republicans from any and all political positions upstream and downstream (federal and state levels). Republicans need time to determine who they really are, where their loyalties lie and what their role should be in a fully functioning democracy.
The United States cannot risk its position in the world because a group of non-college educated white males miss the authority their white privilege used to provide them and a small group of extremely wealthy oligarchs will lose control of having to pay their fair-share of taxes.
If we are going to survive as a nation...we must have a stronger moral character than this.
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A pathological liar with severe narcissist personality disorder and significant anger issues who has never apologized for anything should be shunned...by voters, by anyone who values civil, polite society. Trump uses the phrase "some people say" to deliver vitriolic messages and then pretends "he" never said those things. Know a sociopath when you see one and never, ever let them have a position of power and authority.
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
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How much more do we have to endure a candidate that is clearly unfit, The GOP has an obligation to save the country from the risk Mr. Trump represents. The GOP Party has many qualified and honorable individuals that can replace a misplaced charlatan
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If it can be done legally (e.g., Executive Order, Act of Congress), Trump should be declared as a significant threat to America, basically, equivalent to a terrorist. Hate crimes are just that, crimes involving threats or violent acts. Trump should be deported.
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Full disclosure. I am no democrat or republican. Like founding father and first U.S. President George Washington, I am anti-political party. I am also anti-hypocrisy. This is not the first assassination insinuation to occur in modern American politics. Oh how easily we forget. Anyone upset about Trump's latest remarks, but suffers the curious amnesia regarding Hillary Clinton's 2008 assassination insinuation of then Senator Barack Obama is a flat out hypocrite. Hillary did the exact same thing in the run up to the Democratic nomination in 2008 when asked why she was not dropping out since it was evident she could not win. Mrs. Clinton replied that "anything could happen between now and November. We must never forget Bobby Kennedy, who was expected to win the nomination handily, was assassinated right before the convention." This statement alone, amongst other serious ethical lapses, so violated my personal principles and convictions that it barred me from ever supporting Mrs. Clinton for anything. Thus the media acting outraged at Trump but showed no disdain for Clinton is blatant hypocrisy.
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To end this perversely repulsive campaign for the presidency once and for all, I suggest crowdfunding to buy him one half hour on national, prime time television. Commercial free. Just turn on the microphone and let him speak. For thirty uninterrupted minutes. Just Donald Trump, his smug face and that ridiculous pout--the voice of the republican party--talking.
These campaign speeches are far too short and those imbecilic tweets are too slow and painful. We don't need front page snippets of his bilious obscenity, we need to let him stretch out, elaborate. Let him really speak his mind.
That should do it.
These campaign speeches are far too short and those imbecilic tweets are too slow and painful. We don't need front page snippets of his bilious obscenity, we need to let him stretch out, elaborate. Let him really speak his mind.
That should do it.
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It is important to remember that the president can not just take away an amendment without the 2/3 votes from congress and the 3/4ths from the states. This being said is unlikely that any of our amendments. Trump is saying that if Hilary Clinton can choose her judges in the supreme court;of she becomes president she will choose people in the supreme court that are with her to abolish the second amendment. When Rudolph W. Giuliani say that " that it was a joke and that what he meant by that was that they would kill her" that is not true at all nor is Trump supporting the idea of a violet act. He is saying that the people in favor of the second amendment are such a large community that they will go to protest. The vast community of people in favor of the second amendment create a larger power of the people who want to abolish the second amendment. "bengal12kristina112598"
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Clinton surrogates and the Liberal Media heard what they wanted to hear on this one... Given Trump's propensity to speak "off the cuff" and sometimes make controversial statements, they immediately took his words to mean he was advocating Clinton should be assassinated. This is wanted they wanted to hear - just another way to twist the meaning of a statement to their political advantage. Time for the media to cut out hyperbole based on political based msinterpertation.
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President Barack Obama’s unusually personal remarks about the in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin: “I think, to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different," He continued. "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago," Obama’s remarks, escalated prompted protests including some that turned violent.
Query, how in good conscience do the hypocritical self-serving Democratic’ s and all those who accused Trump of suggesting violence against Mrs. Clinton or liberal jurists as, “distasteful, disturbing, dangerous.”? When President Obama literally used his patent social prejudice to encourage people to violence! Not to mentioned Obama’s ongoing social prejudice against white Americans when police departments across the country geared up for more Black Lives Matter demonstrations, the White House on Thursday called the street protests “a good thing.”
Query, how in good conscience do the hypocritical self-serving Democratic’ s and all those who accused Trump of suggesting violence against Mrs. Clinton or liberal jurists as, “distasteful, disturbing, dangerous.”? When President Obama literally used his patent social prejudice to encourage people to violence! Not to mentioned Obama’s ongoing social prejudice against white Americans when police departments across the country geared up for more Black Lives Matter demonstrations, the White House on Thursday called the street protests “a good thing.”
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This comment reminds me of Goldwater's "I would remind you that extremist in the defense of liberty is no vice!" Trump's vile, inflammatory double-talk, followed by "Who, me? I didn't say that" is disingenuous and despicable. His target audience doesn't observe that the phrasing is intentionally vague, they just see it as a literal call to arms. He is promising that whoever shoots Hillary Clinton will be a hero to the Cause. The fact that only Congress and not a sitting president can modify the Constitution is lost on both Trump and his supporters. They'd rather be in range than informed.
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It would seem that if Trump implied anything with his "thoughtful" off-handed comment, it would be that the Supreme Court might have the black robes and the imprimatur of Hillary's "foot-print" of added like-minded justices, the citizens have the right to dissolve the nation at will. And this seems to be the direction we are headed.
Gulags for Americans who choose not to follow the "will" of the Supreme Court is not an option for free citizens who are protected by a Second Amendment.
We--and especially those living and working in Washington--forget this democracy we have is by agreement, not force, and when such things in the course of human events cause the termination of a government by the citizens, for whatever reason, bye-bye America the brave and so forth and so on. And most important, no nation of citizens in the world can say same.
Gulags for Americans who choose not to follow the "will" of the Supreme Court is not an option for free citizens who are protected by a Second Amendment.
We--and especially those living and working in Washington--forget this democracy we have is by agreement, not force, and when such things in the course of human events cause the termination of a government by the citizens, for whatever reason, bye-bye America the brave and so forth and so on. And most important, no nation of citizens in the world can say same.
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Assume incorrectly for the sake of argument that Donald J. Trump is intelligent. A few fans claim his brilliance. Brilliance is not compatible with constantly repeated, “I don’t know!” which is compatible with an ignorance unknown by the Robert F. Kennedy who used the phrase differently when he campaigned. If Trump is not so brilliant, and one does not claim he cannot run a hotel and financial management business badly using unbrilliant techniques learned from his old man and from hired professionals, then “I don’t know—nudge, nudge, wink, wink” becomes run of the mill business and campaign rhetoric arising from vacuity. One believes his fans would not recognize real intelligence if it fell on them from an upper floor of Trump Tower and knocked them into the sidewalk. Confusing loopiness with intelligence did not get Trump into MIT, and it would not get fans there either. They are not applauding intelligence.
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I expect a United States presidential candidate to speak with clarity and precision, not having to walk back statements on a regular basis. On the world stage, a US President will not have the luxury of constantly re-explaining what he really meant to say, once the damage has already been done. Other world leaders, friend and foe alike, will not be as patient and supportive as some of Trump's supporters. The consequences will be dire.
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He just lied again, saying "the Second Amendment is under siege". He is using war like dialogue still.
By the way, the big joke in what he says is that The Supreme Court would have nothing to do with the repeal of The Second Amendment. Unless its repeal would conflict with any other provisions of our Constitution, which it wouldn't, then there would be no reason for The Supreme Court to be involved. Let's not forget that passage by three quarters of the State's Legislatures would be required to repeal an Amendment.
So if anyone thinks Hillary would be launching some sort of "siege" on the Second Amendment, they definitely need some cognitive behavioral therapy.
By the way, the big joke in what he says is that The Supreme Court would have nothing to do with the repeal of The Second Amendment. Unless its repeal would conflict with any other provisions of our Constitution, which it wouldn't, then there would be no reason for The Supreme Court to be involved. Let's not forget that passage by three quarters of the State's Legislatures would be required to repeal an Amendment.
So if anyone thinks Hillary would be launching some sort of "siege" on the Second Amendment, they definitely need some cognitive behavioral therapy.
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Trump is an abomination. What perfect storm of ignorance, fear and lack of respect for knowledge and intellectual thought has brought us to a point where this human stain on our national morality is thriving......
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It is amazing how the MSM has been spinning Mr. Trump's remark and taking it out of context. Mrs. Clinton's 2008 comment was far more damaging, but you would not know it the way you refer to it in the article. And conspicuously missing is Mr. Biden's comment about his Beretta and Obama.
As far as Mr. Swalwell is concerned he should place his efforts in investigating
the Clinton Foundation. Now that would be worthwhile.
As far as Mr. Swalwell is concerned he should place his efforts in investigating
the Clinton Foundation. Now that would be worthwhile.
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I think it's very clear what Trump was advocating. Even an 8 year old could figure it out. Why can't you?
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His supporters like it. They love it. They want to hear about violence. They want permission to be violent. They like to stamp and shout, and to feel powerful and mistreated and angry. It's an emotional high for them, and they will believe anything that lets the high continue. It's their dope, and Trump is their pusher. It's what Hitler did, too. And it's come to that, that we have to use the name "Hitler" after so long of not having to do it. God help us.
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Hillary utters an actual threat - the left media calls it a gaffe.
Trump makes a comment that can be misinterpreted as a possible threat - the left media wants his head.
Trump makes a comment that can be misinterpreted as a possible threat - the left media wants his head.
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I don't understand the fear. "Second Amendment" people are the salt of the earth, best citizens we have in this country. They are the ones who follow all the rules, register their guns, use them for hunting and self defense. They pay taxes, raise children and contribute to society. They are guaranteed the right to own firearms by the constitution of the United States. They will not give up their rights and will use whatever legal means they have at their disposal.
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What he actually meant or might have intended is actually beside the point. I want a president who thinks before speaking. Trump does not, or, if he does then I want no part of that thought process.
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Trump was pointing out that if HRC is elected, they will have no legal means at their disposal to resist the judges she appoints.
He made a suggestion as to what they should do then. Get it?
He made a suggestion as to what they should do then. Get it?
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"I don't understand the fear. The second amendment people are the salt if the earth. The best citizens we have.."
Charles Whitman, Omar Mateen, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold believed in the second amendment too. The four of them combined killed over 70 people. If that's the best then we are clearly at our worst....
Charles Whitman, Omar Mateen, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold believed in the second amendment too. The four of them combined killed over 70 people. If that's the best then we are clearly at our worst....
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Looks like the Secret Service didn't think it was a joke.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/secret-service-trump-second-amendm...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/secret-service-trump-second-amendm...
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The man has done his job. If we don't learn we will have failed.
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The apologists and commenters for Trump are putting two explanations for what he said yesterday forward:
1. He was really talking, earnestly, about motivating people to VOTE against Hilary... and
2. "It was a joke" (what kind of a joke? clearly they leave it implicit that it was a violent joke but that it would be foolish or biased to suggest he meant it)
The first is absurd and a lie. The second is reason enough for the SS to follow up, as they did today. But to argue about whether it was a joke or not is beside the point.
1. He was really talking, earnestly, about motivating people to VOTE against Hilary... and
2. "It was a joke" (what kind of a joke? clearly they leave it implicit that it was a violent joke but that it would be foolish or biased to suggest he meant it)
The first is absurd and a lie. The second is reason enough for the SS to follow up, as they did today. But to argue about whether it was a joke or not is beside the point.
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Why do reporters continue to get fooled by his attempt to get free publicity. This ploy worked for Trump throughout the primary where he would say something non-presidential then fill the news cycle so people like Kasich who remained presidential received virtually no recognition. Time to understand the impact of this game.
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To second many online, The Party of Lincoln now becomes The Party of John Wilkes Booth?
I had hopes I wouldn't live to see it.
I had hopes I wouldn't live to see it.
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Trump's remark is clearly about after the election and not before. Trump and his campaign spin doctors say he was talking about his second amendment supporters voting on election day. There is a big difference.
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Now that Trump's words have further endangered Clinton, perhaps the resource-starved Secret Service needs to remove their team from protecting Trump and add them to Clinton's security team.
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Here is what is really scary, what if Trump were actually able to control his speech? Then he might actually get elected, but all of his beliefs, and the nuclear codes, would be right there with him in the oval office . . . .
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As someone posted on facebook, and "We 19th Amendment people will vote against Trump."
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I wonder how many people googled 19th amendment
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Mr. Khan asked if Trump had ever read the Constitution. I have an even less challenging question. Has Trump ever read the 2nd Amendment, and, if so, what does he think it means?
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The claim that he might have been joking is irrelevant - we all know of course that he is a clown and his entire campaign is a joke, but that doesn't change the (startling) seriousness of his candidacy for president of the United States. And it obviously does not change the way his comments are received by a large portion of our tragically and shockingly stupid populace.
While trumps campaign completely blurs the line between a crude joke and a disaster, there's no room for pretending that there's any difference between the two here.
While trumps campaign completely blurs the line between a crude joke and a disaster, there's no room for pretending that there's any difference between the two here.
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Of course many people will see this as encouragement to takes matters into their own hands.Congrats NYT in having Tom Friedman writing such a perfect editorial on the subject.Thank you.
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As I have always told people around here, just because Progressives might have a different opinion on the second amendment than you...DO NOT make the mistake of thinking we did not exercise that right.
So when you people let the NRA/Ted Nugent types talk you into taking their country back for them you might be very surprised.
So when you people let the NRA/Ted Nugent types talk you into taking their country back for them you might be very surprised.
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NYT why don't you do some real investigative reporting? Let's have a article comparing how many legal gun owners are involved in "gun violence" as compared to those inner-city, illegal gun owning Democrats. At the end of your research you should realize legal gun owners are for the most part not violent and Trump simply meant take political action.
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Former mayor Giuliani is saying that anyone who believes that Mr. Trump was referring to violence is “corrupt”. What he doesn’t address that Mr. Trump was talking about a scenario where Ms. Clinton had already been elected and that there was nothing anyone could do about it, except maybe the “Second Amendment people”.
It’s possible that Mr. Trump got his sentences mixed up, and meant to refer to taking action before the election, but then why the “Second Amendment people”?
If he misstated, why not just say that? Is it because he has made a big deal out of saying that Hillary “short-circuited”, so he can’t admit ever making a mistake in speaking?
Given Mr. Trump’s multiple previous statements which seemed to encourage violence, it is hard to give him the benefit of the doubt here, especially when he denies joking or error, but claims that the problem is with the people who took what he said literally.
It’s possible that Mr. Trump got his sentences mixed up, and meant to refer to taking action before the election, but then why the “Second Amendment people”?
If he misstated, why not just say that? Is it because he has made a big deal out of saying that Hillary “short-circuited”, so he can’t admit ever making a mistake in speaking?
Given Mr. Trump’s multiple previous statements which seemed to encourage violence, it is hard to give him the benefit of the doubt here, especially when he denies joking or error, but claims that the problem is with the people who took what he said literally.
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How far are we going to let this pathetic joke continue? Even if he wasn't suggesting violence this time-- he already has before. We're all acting like the emperor has clothes. I'm sick of this. Even children know better than to take this guy seriously. At the same time, his pomposity, his ignorance and his childishness is a dangerous threat to America. Why are we allowing this?
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I think that Mr. Trump is going to get dumped by this party before November comes.
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Folks should read the entire speech. In fact the New York Times should publish the transcript. The entire speech shows how dangerously incoherent Trump is on literally every subject.
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Why do we need to carry a gun for protection ? I thought we lived in civilized country.
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America is at a new low. Thank you Donald Trump for making our Presidential election a Carnival Side Show!!
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I have to say the reaction anytime Trumps says something is pretty amazing. He can say something that was similar to what politicians have said and be labeled as unfit for public office. Hillary made a remark about Obama back in 2008 that could have been construed as similar but no matter what she says or does is considered fine. There is no longer any journalistic integrity on the medias covering of this campaign. The funny part is that the media still thinks the American people are buying what they are selling.
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Someone said here that the "evils nurtured by Trump will long outlive this campaign."
I say that's a good thing. He has exposed so much nonsense and make believe and decay in our union that America owes him a huge debt of gratitude.
I say that's a good thing. He has exposed so much nonsense and make believe and decay in our union that America owes him a huge debt of gratitude.
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One interpretation is not that he was just making a threat, but, at least in that moment, truly suggesting an NRA proponent assistanate Hillary Clinton. Beware the wounded narcissist.
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OMG! Really, folks. What about the" threat" that the 2nd amendment folks will know what to to by voting and campaigning against Mrs. Clinton....not killing her for heaven;s sake.
I have not decided who I will vote for...Johnson and Weld are looking better every day. However, the way the media parses every word Trump utters is blatantly obvious.
Didn't hear much about the Secret Service agent that wrote a tel all about the Clinton years in the White House and Mrs. Clinton's abusive behavior, or the law suit being brought against Clinton for the Benghazi massacre. Or, the fact she had up front and center the Florida nightclub killer's father who has expressed racist and homophobic views.
Seems that his statement during her campaign against President Obama is far more egregious.
"Mrs Clinton alluded to the possibility that Mr. Obama could be gunned down. “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California,"
I have not decided who I will vote for...Johnson and Weld are looking better every day. However, the way the media parses every word Trump utters is blatantly obvious.
Didn't hear much about the Secret Service agent that wrote a tel all about the Clinton years in the White House and Mrs. Clinton's abusive behavior, or the law suit being brought against Clinton for the Benghazi massacre. Or, the fact she had up front and center the Florida nightclub killer's father who has expressed racist and homophobic views.
Seems that his statement during her campaign against President Obama is far more egregious.
"Mrs Clinton alluded to the possibility that Mr. Obama could be gunned down. “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California,"
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Trump is playing the media like a violin. He's setting up traps all the time. Media have no credibility and he takes great advantage of that. He is luring the neocons out of the woodwork now, and fortifying his base. if his intentions are good, and he really want to save to country, he'll be in a unique position to unify a country that has become so extreme right wing it has fall off the edge a long time ago. In many statements he has placed himself to the left of Clinton, even Sanders. He actually is the only person that can convince those 40 % that their best interest is a good way the left of Clinton. What once used to be the center. But who know what his intentions are. Let's hope they're good. The neocons are atleast not up to any good. If America don't stop the quest for world domination (Hillary seems even more eager than anyone else to continue that course) it will end bad for everyone.
Apologists for Donald Trump claim that the media are biased, the "system is rigged" (whatever that means) and Hillary is "crooked". There isn't much evidence that Donald is any more the victim of bias, rigging or crookedness than any other candidate that has come before him. Also, unfairness is a weak complaint for a supposed master negotiator to make. But let's imagine for a moment that he is correct and the playing field is unfairly and unusually tilted against him. If Donald Trump is being outfoxed by the US media and political system, are we to believe that he will somehow master the far harder tests that dealing with Russia and China will present to the next President?
Life is competitive and it's not always fair (just ask unemployed blue collar workers if life is fair). Winners win, regardless of this. And losers lose Donald.
Life is competitive and it's not always fair (just ask unemployed blue collar workers if life is fair). Winners win, regardless of this. And losers lose Donald.
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This election is going to be the greatest landslide of all time. The Republican establishment and all its craven subsidiaries and openly-hidden tangents are finally going to pay for decades of lies, race- class- and gender-baiting, and generations of corruption, bigotry and political manipulation and patronage. Trump isn't the reason. He's the natural result of multiple generations of hateful efforts to subvert the American dream. Get lost, GOP. And good riddance.
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An abject, humiliating defeat by Clinton will cleanse the muck out of the GOP.
Rabbi Steinlauf of Adas Israel Congregation said:
“The Jewish people must speak out in solidarity with all our brothers and sisters who are under threat by Trump.”
“If Muslims are not free and safe in America, then Jews are not free and safe in America,” added Rabbi Yoffie. “If Latinos are not free and safe in America, then no ethnic group is free and safe in America.”
“The Jewish people must speak out in solidarity with all our brothers and sisters who are under threat by Trump.”
“If Muslims are not free and safe in America, then Jews are not free and safe in America,” added Rabbi Yoffie. “If Latinos are not free and safe in America, then no ethnic group is free and safe in America.”
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How would Donald Trump react if a world leader were to say that to guarantee a stable world and a stable American nuclear policy, it would be best if he were targeted for assassination?
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CNN is reporting that the Secret Sevice has had discussions with the Trump Campaign over his remarks.
Trump’s comments are increasingly dangerous in a country which is so deeply divided and armed to the teeth. How many unhinged mentally unstable assault rifle owners are out there listening to this hateful nonsense? It’s time for a Justice Department intervention before the tragedy, rather than hearings and investigations afterward.
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...are observations from abroad.
1. 'Trump the unifier'! Any overheated conversation here about local politics is instantly turned to Kum Bai ya with the mere mention of his name. Everyone thinks he and his supporters are insane.
2. America may trust in God, the rest of us have our faith in sane Americans turning out in number in November to protect us.
3. Heard somewhere on YouTube, but thought best line so far suggesting Trump won't win, 'orange will not be the new black'. (Sorry if it's already been much overused)
1. 'Trump the unifier'! Any overheated conversation here about local politics is instantly turned to Kum Bai ya with the mere mention of his name. Everyone thinks he and his supporters are insane.
2. America may trust in God, the rest of us have our faith in sane Americans turning out in number in November to protect us.
3. Heard somewhere on YouTube, but thought best line so far suggesting Trump won't win, 'orange will not be the new black'. (Sorry if it's already been much overused)
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I haven't seen this much love for a Narcissistic Bully since my 3rd Grade class was scared of this 3rd Grader that was supposed to be in the 5th Grade.
After I fought him (and LOST BTW) others weren't scared of him anymore and he quickly grew weary of having to do more than "Ask" for your Lunch Money.
He was still a malcontent, just wasn't lucrative anymore.
After I fought him (and LOST BTW) others weren't scared of him anymore and he quickly grew weary of having to do more than "Ask" for your Lunch Money.
He was still a malcontent, just wasn't lucrative anymore.
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@RGV. How would that work exactly? Clinton is elected and then 'second amendment' people would be able to vote again or something? Oh, I know. You mean 'vote' somehow with their guns, to extract a result they couldn't win at the polls.
Listen, this was just another right wing dog whistle that happened to be audible to just about everyone who heard it. I can believe Trump mistakenly forgot to filter his inner voice, but the message he intended was loud and clear.
It's not as bad as the targets placed on pictures of democratic opponents in
Arizona by the Sarah Palin PAC, but not by much. And that resulting in 6 dead, a dozen wounded, and Gabby Giffords being shot in the head.
Listen, this was just another right wing dog whistle that happened to be audible to just about everyone who heard it. I can believe Trump mistakenly forgot to filter his inner voice, but the message he intended was loud and clear.
It's not as bad as the targets placed on pictures of democratic opponents in
Arizona by the Sarah Palin PAC, but not by much. And that resulting in 6 dead, a dozen wounded, and Gabby Giffords being shot in the head.
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If a Muslim had said Trump has said, he would be labeled an Islamic terrorist.
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This is why gun control needs to be at the top of the legislative agenda in this country.
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This 2nd amendment idiocy that Trump mentioned is one found on the fringes of the radical right. It is part of the anti-federal ideology that animates the likes of Bundy, and a generation earlier, Timothy McVeight . It has become apparent for some time now Trump has not only been soliciting such extremists to his cause, he has been reading their tweets &blogs ,and taking it as gospel truth
It is time to draw the appropriate conclusions. Not only is Trump a witting or unwitting agent of Putin, he is also carries the water of the most vicious elements of US Society
It is time to draw the appropriate conclusions. Not only is Trump a witting or unwitting agent of Putin, he is also carries the water of the most vicious elements of US Society
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Trump's follow up "it would be a horrible day" was all-too-likely connected to his suggestion that "Second Amendment folks" could do something -- as in, wouldn't it be horrible if it came to that? Trump is careless and irresponsible in his rhetoric, and then goes for a slippery dodge when he's called on it. He is anti-democratic to his core, and incredibly destructive to our civic discourse. And that's not all...! I applaud and thank the Republican party members who have publicly stated their opposition to his candidacy.
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nothing from lyin aynryan or mcconnell, par for the course, they actually love it, tRumpf is saying what they're thinking.
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I own two lever action rifles, two single action revolvers, and one .38 special police revolver that I have enjoyed shooting at paper targets for the last three years of my sixty five year old life. It's a fun hobby that I took up when I retired.
But, that means I'm a gun owner and, therefore, a so-called "second amendment person". Nonetheless, I detest both the NRA and Donald Trump. So, I am a "second amendment person" who will be voting for Secretary Hillary Clinton for the sake of our country and the world.
But, that means I'm a gun owner and, therefore, a so-called "second amendment person". Nonetheless, I detest both the NRA and Donald Trump. So, I am a "second amendment person" who will be voting for Secretary Hillary Clinton for the sake of our country and the world.
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These comments need to be correlated against other news outlets; for example, Rick Santorum emphasized the court on a recent appearance on Bill Maher's show, and Paul Ryan said the same thing on a Jerry Bader radio show in Milwaukee.
I see in this message coordination between Party leaders also functioning as damage control. Focus groups turned some emotional dials, and "emphasize the court" emerged victorious in polling models. The politicos send out talking points memos and place their representatives on the various talk shows. The press is surprisingly complicit in allowing itself to be manipulated.
So the news here isn't inflammatory rhetoric, it's that what seems to be a protest movement is really just politics as usual.
I see in this message coordination between Party leaders also functioning as damage control. Focus groups turned some emotional dials, and "emphasize the court" emerged victorious in polling models. The politicos send out talking points memos and place their representatives on the various talk shows. The press is surprisingly complicit in allowing itself to be manipulated.
So the news here isn't inflammatory rhetoric, it's that what seems to be a protest movement is really just politics as usual.
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We are left with is a choice between the lesser of two wevils.
Did you ever see the movie where a new husband ditzes around with the gas lighting fixtures and other household items, psychologically antagonizes her? Makes a point to others that she may be a tad off her rocker. I think it's called "Gaslight". Well this is what Trump did yesterday and what he's been doing. A sorta double speak knowing he means and says one thing and can honestly sell his words another differently. Gaslighting is what it's called and his game is up.
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I didn't hear the entire speech, so I don't know the context. However, it's not crystal clear to me that the quote, as cited in this article, advocates violence against Ms. Clinton, if she were president. The comment that maybe the Second Amendment people might be able to do something - isn't it possible what Trump is referring to is the NRA exerting their influence on any nomination process that might occur under a H Clinton presidency? It's clear the NRA, to date, has been able to exert a great amount of influence in the nation's politics.
I'm not a supporter of Trump, never have been and never will be. I think he's ill suited to do almost any job that exists. I think he's a blow hard jerk.
Is it at all possible that the guy knows what he's saying, and the purpose of his word choice is to garner lots and lots of media attention? Doesn't he come from a world where any publicity, including bad publicity, is considered better than no publicity?
I'm not a supporter of Trump, never have been and never will be. I think he's ill suited to do almost any job that exists. I think he's a blow hard jerk.
Is it at all possible that the guy knows what he's saying, and the purpose of his word choice is to garner lots and lots of media attention? Doesn't he come from a world where any publicity, including bad publicity, is considered better than no publicity?
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Give me a break. He did not know the words were loaded? Baloney!
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@Think. There are 2 things he said in more-or-less the same breath that tend to prove that his "I-was-just-rallying-the-NRA-troops-to-vote" walk-back was just disingenuous. First, he was talking about a time *after* Hillary Clinton became President and had appointed supposedly pro-gun-control judges. It's too late to unify and vote against her after she's been elected and has started appointing judges.
Second, after saying that "maybe the Second Amendment people" could do something about Hillary, he said, "But that would be a horrible day." The "horrible day" from a Trump perspective would not be the day the NRA troops voted against her as a bloc, as he now tries to suggest. The "horrible day" was plainly a reference to someone assassinating Hillary Clinton or one of her judicial appointments. His "horrible day" comment tends to remove any doubt that he was referring to "Second Amendment remedies," which is a euphemism for assassination.
I just heard on NPR that the Secret Service has been in touch with Trump campaign officials twice to discuss his comments. The Secret Service has obviously interpreted Trump's comments as a threatening.
Second, after saying that "maybe the Second Amendment people" could do something about Hillary, he said, "But that would be a horrible day." The "horrible day" from a Trump perspective would not be the day the NRA troops voted against her as a bloc, as he now tries to suggest. The "horrible day" was plainly a reference to someone assassinating Hillary Clinton or one of her judicial appointments. His "horrible day" comment tends to remove any doubt that he was referring to "Second Amendment remedies," which is a euphemism for assassination.
I just heard on NPR that the Secret Service has been in touch with Trump campaign officials twice to discuss his comments. The Secret Service has obviously interpreted Trump's comments as a threatening.
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Evidently, Trumpism is a full-blown cult. Followers will not be moved by facts or new information. Their devotion is faith-based and nothing can shake it. It's really amazing to watch millions of people go all religious about an election.
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Wake up America! Sinclair Lewis wrote the book" It can't happen here." But it is. this is a first in American history. a person clearly demented can be voted in as the leader of this country. There are many similarities to pre WWII Germany. Since the GOP can not fire Trump, people must vote for Ms C though she is a liar, influence peddler, and hypocrite. But, she is not demented. The US will survive Ms C. The world would not survive Mr T.
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In the video clip, not only does the man mentioned in the article turn to his companion, but his companion laughs right back at him, as do a man and woman above them. Watching footage of the Trump rallies, as shown in another recent Times article, is truly frightening and presents a very bleak and sad view of our nation. We must go to the ballot booths in record numbers to prevent this madman from getting elected.
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I never interpreted Trumps comment to insinuate assassinating Clinton. He meant that it's imperative they vote for him to put in place a conservative and pro NRA judge and he also meant the NRA is so powerful they could pressure Clinton into leaving the 2nd amendment alone. The MSM like New York Times etal deliberately twist and turn Trumps comments. Whys aren't you guys talking about how Clinton used her power at the DOJ to grant special favors to donors to the Clinton Foundation or how she used the funds from the foundation for plane trips, staff etc . Her foundation has been rated 1 step above fraudulent . Why aren't you writing articles about Mateens father being given a ticket to Hillary's Rally and standing right in back of her? Why aren't you writing about how she lied to Pat Smith about how her son died in Benghazi . The MSM is giving Clinton a pass and believe me the rest of America knows that. We know that the MSM is out to get Trump. One thing is for sure, come November you will see Brexit part 2.
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I'm a strong supporter of the right to bear arms. I've had guns most of my life. I'm old and retired and walking is a challenge; running is a memory. I have no options if someone breaks in while I'm waiting for the Deputies to arrive. I have every confidence in the Sheriff's Department where I live. I assume that most, possibly all, of my neighbors have firearms. We don't have gunfights in the yard. We know how guns work and how to handle them safely.
Trump's thinly veiled threat against Hillary or anyone she might nominate to SCOTUS is simply unacceptable.
If you or I made such a threat, especially against someone with Secret Service protection, we'd find ourselves in custody for making terrorist threats or whatever other charges occurred to the US Attorney. Such charges would be appropriate. Trump doesn't get to make such a threat simply because he's running for POTUS.
Since Trump decided to buy his way into the White House, he has incited several small riots and threatened to have a full-scale riot if he wasn't nominated at the Republican Convention.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I know we each have the right to speak about what's on our mind. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said we are limited to responsible statements. His famous example is that of someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire and the speaker's goal is to cause panic and injury, possibly leading to death.
Trump's statements grow more irresponsible each
Trump's thinly veiled threat against Hillary or anyone she might nominate to SCOTUS is simply unacceptable.
If you or I made such a threat, especially against someone with Secret Service protection, we'd find ourselves in custody for making terrorist threats or whatever other charges occurred to the US Attorney. Such charges would be appropriate. Trump doesn't get to make such a threat simply because he's running for POTUS.
Since Trump decided to buy his way into the White House, he has incited several small riots and threatened to have a full-scale riot if he wasn't nominated at the Republican Convention.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I know we each have the right to speak about what's on our mind. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said we are limited to responsible statements. His famous example is that of someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire and the speaker's goal is to cause panic and injury, possibly leading to death.
Trump's statements grow more irresponsible each
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It's interesting that journalists have assumed that supporters of the Second Amendment taking action means violence. There are many actions they can take that don't involve violence.
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"There are many actions they can take that don't involve violence" -- here is the exact quotation of what Trump said:
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“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
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That is not just "supporters of the Second Amendment" in a vacuum. His implication is clear after he said "nothing you can do" after he said she had picked the judges - by "nothing" he means "nothing political. You have to twist yourself into a rhetorical pretzel to pretend he was not insinuating people taking arms against Clinton. Be real.
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“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
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That is not just "supporters of the Second Amendment" in a vacuum. His implication is clear after he said "nothing you can do" after he said she had picked the judges - by "nothing" he means "nothing political. You have to twist yourself into a rhetorical pretzel to pretend he was not insinuating people taking arms against Clinton. Be real.
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Right -- voting must have been what tickled the funny bone of Trump's audience members.
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What Hillary said is ten times worse. There was no chance of her catching Obama in the 2008 primary but she said she was staying in the race because we all know what happened to Bobby Kennedy. The double standard of the NYT and Washington Post and other main stream media is ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw98fouyfBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw98fouyfBg
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Not even close to "ten times worse." Two totally different cases. Trump was speaking about assassinating a sitting president. Clinton was talking about staying in a campaign because unforeseen events can happen. HERS was a joke in poor taste. TRUMP'S was advice on what violent options people could take against Clinton in office.
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The most appropriate response is a simple call to action: Lock Him Up.
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I'm glad there are so many commenters on this. The country is facing it's Mussolini moment. We have all thought that was hyperbolic language in the past (even those of us who still used it on occasion). There comes a time when the lessons of history really do cry out to us. Yes, conditions are always different. But that is how despotism takes hold in a so-called "advanced" nation: we look for brown shirts and goose-stepping troops. It never appears in the exact same form twice. That time, there was a desperate, war-damaged racist who dreamed of a superior race. This time there is a billionaire whose popularity rests in his willingness to be disgusting in public, who doesn't work, who can't think, who ascends because of others' dreams of a superior race. This is America's moment, it seems to me. It is a logical (in a perverse sort of way), long-brewing reenactment of the war we fought 150 years ago. The Lost Cause was never finally defeated in the minds of those who couldn't let go. Now, we will either decisively win that war. Or not.
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Mr. Speaker, the next time the leader of your party threatens another candidate, take a few minutes and watch the video clip on Facebook.
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I love to read the comments, but it's so strange and very incongruous to hear intelligent people using intelligent language to describe the phenomenon of Trump. It doesn't work. The man knows exactly what he is doing and what he wants and he is supported by people who know what he is, what he is doing and what he wants. This is because Trump's supporters want the same things he does. It's terrifying and sad to watch. It's ironic, because the lion's share of people in Trump's camp would fall into his "loser" category and this does not seem to occur to them. If you look at this man's life and conclude that he cares about people and wants to give instead of take, then you have serious, very unfunny problems. It's not that people "don't see" what he is. There are huge groups of humans who worship Trump's brand of manipulation techniques and avarice and they are not at all confused about who they are or who he is. Is there anyone left who doesn't know that he will say or do anything to achieve his goals no matter how outlandish or how far removed from the truth?
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I recall when President Obama stated "If they bring a knife we will bring a gun:!!
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Who was was the "they"? Terrorists? Or political opponents?
See the difference?
See the difference?
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The Secret Service has tweeted (God help us!) that they are aware of his comment. Actually, if this were anyone but the candidate of one of the two major parties, he'd be in a room under a bright lightbeing interrogated via recorded medium by three officers to determine whether he poses a threat to the other candidate. I suppose it's better just to let him continue to fulminate and implode, taking his disgusting red-neck party with him. Oh, and I'm a lifelong (over 70) registered Republican who would like my party back, and in the meantime will vote for Democrats at every level, including Hillary, whom I greatly dislike.
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Just when I think Trump has sunk as low as he possibly could, he outdoes himself.
And no, Mr. Trump, we're not buying that this is a joke, or that you mean that gun owners should go out and vote.
No, we know what you mean and we heard you loud and clear: you're inciting your already hyped-up, hate-filled, angry, violent, racist mobs of supporters to assassinate your political opponents - and mount an insurrection against our Democratically-elected government.
And that mob heard you loud and clear, too. Just as the mobs did in Germany in 1933.
What's next - an American Kristallnacht?
To the FBI, Secret Service, Dept. of Justice, and local police departments: Isn't inciting violence a crime? And isn't inciting armed insurrection against our government a crime of sedition and treason? What about his invitation to Russia to commit cyberwar against the U.S.?
Why isn't this loathsome, evil creature being called in for questioning?
And no, Mr. Trump, we're not buying that this is a joke, or that you mean that gun owners should go out and vote.
No, we know what you mean and we heard you loud and clear: you're inciting your already hyped-up, hate-filled, angry, violent, racist mobs of supporters to assassinate your political opponents - and mount an insurrection against our Democratically-elected government.
And that mob heard you loud and clear, too. Just as the mobs did in Germany in 1933.
What's next - an American Kristallnacht?
To the FBI, Secret Service, Dept. of Justice, and local police departments: Isn't inciting violence a crime? And isn't inciting armed insurrection against our government a crime of sedition and treason? What about his invitation to Russia to commit cyberwar against the U.S.?
Why isn't this loathsome, evil creature being called in for questioning?
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Trump could dance in a meat dress and moon boots on 5th Avenue, proclaiming that he's the Messiah and foretelling the end, and people would still make excuses for him. I have a friend who used to say that people were stupid. I argued that people just have different values. If we had that same conversation today, there wouldn't be a thing I could say.
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This is an incredible example of spin and distortion. Anyone who has followed the issue of firearms rights and the Second Amendment would realize that what Trump was obviously referring is gun owners groups like the National Rifle Association and their legal and legislative campaign against restrictive firearms laws. These are the "Second Amendment" people, in much the same way that groups like the American Civil Liberties Union would be the "First Amendment People."
What is important in this issue, however, is how readily the media distorted and manipulated the meaning of Trump's casual statement and how readily it spread like a virus. This is the master media propagandist at work, the kind of thing you read about in books about public relations, political tactics and rhetorical fallacies.
The point is, of course, that the media spin to Trump's statement is a falsehood and fabrication. It also demonstrates their immense power to lie, deceive and mislead the American people.
To quote Murray Edelman, "The critical element in political maneuver for advantage is the creation of meaning: the construction of beliefs about the significance of events, of problems, of crises, of policy changes and of leaders. The strategic need is to immobilize opposition and mobilize support." POLITICAL SCIENCE: Winter 1985.
It is the CREATION of meaning that propagandists reach for, not allowing plain language and the course of events determine meaning in a rational and common sense way.
What is important in this issue, however, is how readily the media distorted and manipulated the meaning of Trump's casual statement and how readily it spread like a virus. This is the master media propagandist at work, the kind of thing you read about in books about public relations, political tactics and rhetorical fallacies.
The point is, of course, that the media spin to Trump's statement is a falsehood and fabrication. It also demonstrates their immense power to lie, deceive and mislead the American people.
To quote Murray Edelman, "The critical element in political maneuver for advantage is the creation of meaning: the construction of beliefs about the significance of events, of problems, of crises, of policy changes and of leaders. The strategic need is to immobilize opposition and mobilize support." POLITICAL SCIENCE: Winter 1985.
It is the CREATION of meaning that propagandists reach for, not allowing plain language and the course of events determine meaning in a rational and common sense way.
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Trump can be referring to any of this because Trump doesn't go that deep.
@ Laird. No, I'm sorry, but you are willfully ignoring the dog whistle. Sharon Angle talked about how she "hoped" we weren't going to have to "resort to Second Amendment remedies" to get rid of Harry Reid. That was a reference to assassination.
Trump was doing exactly the same thing. How do we know? Because his next sentence, after saying that maybe the "Second Amendment people" could "do something" about Hillary Clinton was, "But that would be a horrible day." Would it qualify in Trump-world as a "horrible day" if the NRA folks exercised their *political* power to prevent Hillary from appointing purportedly pro-gun-control federal judges? No. The "horrible day" he was obviously winking at was the day someone took out Hillary with a bullet. BTW, the Secret Service obviously considers Trump's comments to be threatening: they've interviewed the Trump campaign twice about his comments.
"Gun-rights" advocates in open-carry states used to show up where President Obama was speaking carrying rifles and signs that said, "Time to water the tree of liberty." That's an allusion to Thomas Jefferson's comment about the slaughter that took place in Paris following the French Revolution: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants." So don't tell me there's no cause for concern.
Is Trump right? Could he actually shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and people would still support him? Would you? I'm serious, because I'm not entirely sure: Would you?
Trump was doing exactly the same thing. How do we know? Because his next sentence, after saying that maybe the "Second Amendment people" could "do something" about Hillary Clinton was, "But that would be a horrible day." Would it qualify in Trump-world as a "horrible day" if the NRA folks exercised their *political* power to prevent Hillary from appointing purportedly pro-gun-control federal judges? No. The "horrible day" he was obviously winking at was the day someone took out Hillary with a bullet. BTW, the Secret Service obviously considers Trump's comments to be threatening: they've interviewed the Trump campaign twice about his comments.
"Gun-rights" advocates in open-carry states used to show up where President Obama was speaking carrying rifles and signs that said, "Time to water the tree of liberty." That's an allusion to Thomas Jefferson's comment about the slaughter that took place in Paris following the French Revolution: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants." So don't tell me there's no cause for concern.
Is Trump right? Could he actually shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and people would still support him? Would you? I'm serious, because I'm not entirely sure: Would you?
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I guess he likes the second amendment better than the first.
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It's more of the same- Trump is unfit, and temperamentally ill prepared for the demands of the position- moreover he lacks the ability to engage in reflection . Serving your country in its highest administrative position is a privelage and to most people a high honor. It requires a lot of humility and the ability to admit to errors and ask for forgivmess. These qualities are nowhere in evidence- and the spectacular lack of them is telling about the character and fiber of. a persons psyche.. Not ready for Primetime .
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If the words of Donald trump were ambiguous then the New York Times has clarified them for the crazy, unstable would be assassins who are seeking a mission in life. But wait! The media always denies that their reporting incites violence. They just report what happens, they just innocently report the news.
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Yes, almost forgot to blame the messenger. Thanks for reminding us that a free press is the real villain here.
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Although I'm not shocked or even surprised that Mr Trump has gone off the rails so many times in so many ways, what does bother me is the continued support he gets from those who should know better, even in light of his ridiculously obvious flaws. I also struggle to understand how working class people feel he speaks for & is going to look out for them. The absence of
common sense in this country never ceases to amaze me. This selfish man is not a candidate because he cares about America, more likely it was on his bucket list.
To me he stands for intolerance, ignorance, & arrogance, & appears happy to do so. He would undo the few positive strides we have made as a people & a country. He holds no allegiance to actual facts & truth & when combined with his thin skin, he is not just a bad choice, but a dangerous one & If elected, its us, the citizens, that would suffer & sacrifice for his mistakes. He would be sitting fat, happy, rich, & safe.
Anyone that pays any responsible attention to his history as a business man & public figure knows that this is a man that only cares for himself & anyone he helped along the way is side effect of his intentions, not part of the design itself. Even the "ghost-writer" of his book, Art of the Deal, refuses to endorse him & spoke out about how Trump is unfit for office.
I am personally embarrassed for him, his supporters, & by him.
common sense in this country never ceases to amaze me. This selfish man is not a candidate because he cares about America, more likely it was on his bucket list.
To me he stands for intolerance, ignorance, & arrogance, & appears happy to do so. He would undo the few positive strides we have made as a people & a country. He holds no allegiance to actual facts & truth & when combined with his thin skin, he is not just a bad choice, but a dangerous one & If elected, its us, the citizens, that would suffer & sacrifice for his mistakes. He would be sitting fat, happy, rich, & safe.
Anyone that pays any responsible attention to his history as a business man & public figure knows that this is a man that only cares for himself & anyone he helped along the way is side effect of his intentions, not part of the design itself. Even the "ghost-writer" of his book, Art of the Deal, refuses to endorse him & spoke out about how Trump is unfit for office.
I am personally embarrassed for him, his supporters, & by him.
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For shame, Donald Trump. And for shame, Paul Ryan and Glenn McConnell and Newt Gingrich and Chris Christie and other "Vichy Republicans" who still refuse to disavow and un-endorse their vicious GOP presidential nominee. This situation has gone far beyond Joseph Welch's famous query in 1954 at the Army-McCarthy hearings: "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"
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There is only one thing that will stop Trump from spewing more of his crazy schtick, and that is for him to find out that his general election campaign poison is causing his "TRUMP" brand to lose permanent value.
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Wow! Donald Trump will say anything that comes to his mind and then make light of it which questions what he intended to say. I see these comments as intended and raises questions why he would ever say it unless he means it.
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Paul D. Ryan, the Republican House speaker who has had a tense relationship with Mr. Trump, told reporters on Tuesday night that the remarks sounded “like a joke gone bad.”
The "joke gone bad" is donald.
The "joke gone bad" is donald.
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Funny joke bro. Can you hear 300 Million Americans and the civilized world laughing? That is AT you. And it doesn't end when you loose or when you've taken your last breath. You've made the history books Don and we'll be laughing at you until the last literate human takes his last breath. You're immortalized as one of humanity's greatest blunders and your enablers will be held accountable the real American way... with votes.
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"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it--always.--Mahatma Gandhi
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Needed this today. Thank you.
If trump gets elected and he gets to pick his judges, nothing you can do, disappointed Democrats “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.
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For all of these people here who are complaining about Trump. do you know that Gary Johnson is just as Conservative as Trump on economics? For people who use economics as an excuse for voting for Trump, they have obviously not researched other candidates.
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Gary Johnson wants to eliminate government and make weed available to everyone. He was a do nothing Governor of NM.
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The majority of Americans are smart enough to understand that Hillary Clinton has never advocated abolishing the second amendment and couldn't abolish any amendment to the Constitution. However,iIt is not clear if Trump understands the process for amending the Constitution.
The majority of Americans are in favor of closing the gun show loophole and keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists and the mentally unstable. This is not a winning issue for Trump as the numbers of recent mass shootings may finally be galvanizing the public to vote for candidates that favor common sense gun laws.
The majority of Americans are in favor of closing the gun show loophole and keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists and the mentally unstable. This is not a winning issue for Trump as the numbers of recent mass shootings may finally be galvanizing the public to vote for candidates that favor common sense gun laws.
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So it's a Joke we don't understand,...we have to be there to witness a shooting to find it funny?
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One expects Mr. Trump's utterances to conform to ordinary logic and grammar. “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks…” The key word here is "If." "If she gets to pick her judges." Obviously that condition would be true only if she is in fact elected president. So "if she gets elected president and gets to pick her judges", then, "nothing you can do folks." That's vague but not provocative. But then he adds "Although the Second Amendment people -- maybe there is, I don't know". “Maybe there is” -- what: do something? How else would one complete that clause?
When would these people do something? Given the “if” clause, AFTER she gets elected and picks her own judges. What would they do? Voting in the presidential election is out since that would have passed. Looks like a veiled threat to me depending on what "SA people" means. If he's joking, that seems to reinforce the view that he's made some sort of veiled threat if only in jest. Otherwise what does he think they would do after the election that would lead him to say he was joking?
His supporters claim the addendum was meant to stir SA people to vote BEFORE the election. Even if that view fits the syntax of what he said [not likely], why did he add "maybe there is, I don't know." Does anyone credibly believe that a politician who is trying to whip up his base to vote against a candidate, would simply say: “maybe by voting there is something you can do, I dunno”? Give me a break.
When would these people do something? Given the “if” clause, AFTER she gets elected and picks her own judges. What would they do? Voting in the presidential election is out since that would have passed. Looks like a veiled threat to me depending on what "SA people" means. If he's joking, that seems to reinforce the view that he's made some sort of veiled threat if only in jest. Otherwise what does he think they would do after the election that would lead him to say he was joking?
His supporters claim the addendum was meant to stir SA people to vote BEFORE the election. Even if that view fits the syntax of what he said [not likely], why did he add "maybe there is, I don't know." Does anyone credibly believe that a politician who is trying to whip up his base to vote against a candidate, would simply say: “maybe by voting there is something you can do, I dunno”? Give me a break.
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Early on, I wasn't taking him seriously and more like reality TV gone bad.
Now we are confronted with a very dangerous catalyst inducing violence, hate, racism, and on... Neo-facists are given an audience that could have major consequences to our democracy. The GOP is facing a cancer within its own rank that will continue to grow well beyond the tea party but it is clear that the dynamic of the situation is well beyond republican/democrat... it is now a reflection of who we are as americans... not addressing it head on is not an option!
Now we are confronted with a very dangerous catalyst inducing violence, hate, racism, and on... Neo-facists are given an audience that could have major consequences to our democracy. The GOP is facing a cancer within its own rank that will continue to grow well beyond the tea party but it is clear that the dynamic of the situation is well beyond republican/democrat... it is now a reflection of who we are as americans... not addressing it head on is not an option!
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"Now we are confronted,..."
He's been there since he "Sent" those investigators to HI to investigate the POTUS Birthrights.
He's been there since he "Sent" those investigators to HI to investigate the POTUS Birthrights.
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Trump knew exactly what he was saying.
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You mean the Clinton who said,and I quote," What if he's assassinated?",
about Obama when she ran against and lost to that candidate ? You
mean that Clinton? I remember that if you don't.
about Obama when she ran against and lost to that candidate ? You
mean that Clinton? I remember that if you don't.
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Even if we didn't remember, it's only been posted here about a thousand times today.
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I live upstate and there are so many people who ride around in pickup trucks, with flags (sometimes confederate) and huge Trump signs, and think owning a gun gives them some sort of power. It is a culture most of us don't understand - that somehow we are less American and want to take away their "rights" when in reality they are taking away our rights. The Times, and the most of the people who comment, and most of media (except Fox News) don't get it. He is their voice, he speaks for them and they believe in him. He will solve their problems, bring back the jobs (which are gone forever) and restore the greatest that they believed America was. And Trumps knows what he doing, going off "script"....to them Hillary stands for what was taken away from them, jobs, gun "rights, and the what was perceived to them as the greatness of America (white, male power). She is the embodiment of what is wrong (the devil), and Trump is the savior. So all these comments, what the media writes or says, what congressman/women disvows him, ads etc. really don't matter to his followers. Trump will save them, and make American great again-
and "he alone can do it".
I feel sick, thinking that these people are my neighbors, who harbor this hate. They can't see beyond themselves and simply don't realize that world has changed and that the jobs aren't coming back and America is great, because we give opportunity to all, not just the few.
and "he alone can do it".
I feel sick, thinking that these people are my neighbors, who harbor this hate. They can't see beyond themselves and simply don't realize that world has changed and that the jobs aren't coming back and America is great, because we give opportunity to all, not just the few.
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... putting their faith in yet another tin God.
Why don't they do what they scream at everyone else?
Go get a job. Get an education, get a job, and stop blaming everyone wake for their poor life choices.
Or do they not understand irony? Or is it karma? Or that they voted themselves into their station in life?
Why don't they do what they scream at everyone else?
Go get a job. Get an education, get a job, and stop blaming everyone wake for their poor life choices.
Or do they not understand irony? Or is it karma? Or that they voted themselves into their station in life?
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You would be so much more comfortable downstate near NYC, where most people view your current neighbors with contempt and disdain.
Down here, the thought of a Trump win is positively galling to people. How could those rubes get to select someone like Trump? The very thought is sickening.
There are many who would be only too happy to deny them the opportunity to elect Trump.
Down here, the thought of a Trump win is positively galling to people. How could those rubes get to select someone like Trump? The very thought is sickening.
There are many who would be only too happy to deny them the opportunity to elect Trump.
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It's careless even for the media to repeat it.
He's wasn't bloviating about stopping her agenda, he was inciting them to stop her -- no matter how he recants. A(nother) criminal act....
He's wasn't bloviating about stopping her agenda, he was inciting them to stop her -- no matter how he recants. A(nother) criminal act....
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the FBI must confiscate Donald Trump's gun. He has bragged that he could soot someone in the middle of Fifth Ave, and people would still vote for him.
Donald Trump belongs on the FBI's "WATCH LIST." What are they waiting for? Trump is a homicidal threat, and a perfect example as to why the NRA should be mandated by law not to see guns to mentally ill buyers. Trump is deadly dangerous, and is a threat to the 2nd Amendment people's rights.
Donald Trump belongs on the FBI's "WATCH LIST." What are they waiting for? Trump is a homicidal threat, and a perfect example as to why the NRA should be mandated by law not to see guns to mentally ill buyers. Trump is deadly dangerous, and is a threat to the 2nd Amendment people's rights.
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According to liberals all gun owners are murderers waiting for their moment to kill. Anyone who owns an AR 15 is a mass murderer plotting a massacre. Why would you expect anything else from them? The headline itself shows this liberal mindset.
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I grew up in Louisiana and owned my first shotgun at 13 or 14. So I'm not exactly an enemy of gun ownership. Nonetheless, my take is that the headline should have read "Trump Suggests Assassination of Clinton if He Loses."
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Mr. Mayne wrote "According to liberals all gun owners are murderers waiting for their moment"
I am often liberal, grew up with guns, and in favor of more reasonable gun laws.
I do not agree with you. Most gun owners are responsible and believe in civil responsibility. That said, there are in corners of this country fanatical, maniacal men with guns waiting for an endorsed opportunity to make themselves famous by shooting a public figure. Mr. Drumpf simply specified a target for their twisted intents.
I am often liberal, grew up with guns, and in favor of more reasonable gun laws.
I do not agree with you. Most gun owners are responsible and believe in civil responsibility. That said, there are in corners of this country fanatical, maniacal men with guns waiting for an endorsed opportunity to make themselves famous by shooting a public figure. Mr. Drumpf simply specified a target for their twisted intents.
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I am confused. Watching the news last night and this morning, Trump apologists Rudy "America's Mayor" Guliani and Sean "Lumpy" Hannity claimed that no one other than Clinton campaign thought that Trump's remark were encouraging violence and that they were the ones who started this whole misunderstanding. How it seems like that wasn't true. I am shocked.
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The leftist media would have the exact same reaction had Trump parked a car in the handicapped slot. The reactions are all set before the opponents' actions even take place.
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Don't be.
Being shocked, should have begun and ended with the all Mexicans are rapists statement.
Being shocked, should have begun and ended with the all Mexicans are rapists statement.
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There are two kinds of Republicans now. Those who have disowned Trump and refuse to support him. And those who refuse to do the honorable and patriotic thing by following suit. The latter will live out the rest of their lives in disgrace.
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Donald Trump knows what he's doing. Irrespective as to the specifics of this particular statement, the critiques he has generated with other statements, in a more civil discourse, would result in ongoing statements that would not continue to require 'clarifications ' from his handlers or denouncement on his part regarding unfavorable treatment for his comments taken out of context and 'true' intent. George Washington must be rolling in his grave that the best America has to show as presidential candidates is represented by these two candidates.
From a Canadian perspective it seems more and more of our American neighbours are getting fed up with Trump's antics. I've read quite often on the pages of the Times website that if he wins, people have vowed to move to Canada. Actually, Canada is a great place to live; crime is low, almost nobody has a gun and everybody has medical insurance. If you are serious about moving to the sane side of the 49th parallel, here's the Immigration Canada website:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/englIsh/immigrate/index.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/englIsh/immigrate/index.asp
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This is the Joseph Welch moment for Republican leaders. If they love our country - or merely just hope to maintain a role for their party in running it - they must at finally step up and repudiate Trump, not just his statements.
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What you hear in his comment is like a Rorschach test. If you didn't like him to begin with you'll hear it as a threat. If you do, you'll hear it as a call to take political action and not be phased by it. There are very few of his supporters still subscribing to this very biased newspapers.
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The people whose lives are at stake -- the Secret Service -- heard it as a threat.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/secret-service-trump-second-amendm...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/secret-service-trump-second-amendm...
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Has any of this rabid Trump-Republican anti-Hillary Clinton gun hysteria have anything connections to decades of Roger Ailes-Fox driven drivel ? We all now know blatant misogyny a proven SOP inside that operation. This whole episode seems so potentially dangerous, yet so familiar.
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Anyone know why the NRA and their adherents continually equate reforms in the gun buying process with repealing the 2nd Amendment?
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It looks from these comments like the "First Amendment people" are doing something about Trump. Hooray for our side. The First Amendment is enough for us. We have enough confidence in the First Amendment that we don't need to mention the one that follows.
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It is VERY clear Trump did not mean any violence ,but meant vote Hillary out in election. I have listened to many Trump speeches and have NEVER seen him provocation or implying violence. He jokes and make it live. The media con artists are paid to attack Trump. So they come up with something. Very annoying, how they divert attention from real problems.
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Uh, no, he was suggesting violence after the election, if it doesn't go his way.
There IS no problem more real than the possibility of President Trump. None.
There IS no problem more real than the possibility of President Trump. None.
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Not even when he said he'd pay the legal expenses of the people who took care of protesters at his rallies?
You cannot be serious.
You cannot be serious.
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In future, please don't be as delusional as Trump. But then, you are a follower!
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He has no common sense, doesn't think before he speaks. has no analytical skills of considering the possible reactions and tends to downplay his words. How can we know when he is being truthful, serious, instead of mindless ranting and rhetoric? When the FBI arrests him for terroristic threats I guess we'll know, but it ain't gonna happen.
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Rudolph W. Giuliani says in response to this being a bad joke "to buy that you have to be corrupt; you have to be out of your mind"
Are you out of your mind Giuliani? How many time has Trump used calls to violence in his speeches? Kill the families of terrorist's , beat the protestors--I'll pay your legal bills, torture them...the list goes on. How sad that a man who responded so well to 9/11 is not only supporting Trump but one of his biggest cheerleaders.
Are you out of your mind Giuliani? How many time has Trump used calls to violence in his speeches? Kill the families of terrorist's , beat the protestors--I'll pay your legal bills, torture them...the list goes on. How sad that a man who responded so well to 9/11 is not only supporting Trump but one of his biggest cheerleaders.
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Only the twisted minds of liberals could possibly interpret Trump's words as a call to assassinate Clinton. It is obvious to any reasonable and fair-minded person that Trump was stating that voters who wish to protect their second amendment rights could stop Clinton from becoming president by voting for him.
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One of the great frustrations about writing about the second amendment and how obscene the fascist interpretation of the amendment is when you get comments on your comments that can easily be responded to and comments are closed.
Today someone asked if I was there when the constitution was written.
I was there, we all were there men like Adams Jefferson and Franklin left us copious written records of their thoughts, their beliefs and they also left us their libraries. The court's interpretation of the second amendment is a lie a complete fabrication. All one has to do to know the truth is read.
Today someone asked if I was there when the constitution was written.
I was there, we all were there men like Adams Jefferson and Franklin left us copious written records of their thoughts, their beliefs and they also left us their libraries. The court's interpretation of the second amendment is a lie a complete fabrication. All one has to do to know the truth is read.
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th man knows his p/r alright
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As someone aptly pointed out, his comments were not about galvanizing Amendment 2 voters to turn out in November. He was talking about if Hillary was already elected and appointing judges. Based on that logical premise, it was a call to arms and a clear threat to our President.
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Considering that this is the candidate that offered to pay legal bills for those arrested for assaulting protestors, I'm not surprised.
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I used to respect Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Representative Peter King, both from my regional area. That time is past. They have become apologists for the basest person to be the nominee of a major party for President in my lifetime. That goes back to President Eisenhower. I do not understand the political dynamics for Representative Paul Ryan so it is hard to confidently comment on him. But, I've grown up with Guiliani and King on my nightly news and they both were straight shooters. I think they are in the ""I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." crowd.
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Meanwhile Hannity on Fox is conjecturing about brain injuries to Clinton.
In Australia, the UK and the US, Rupert Murdoch consistently and stridently urges worship of the plutocracy and contempt for the poor.
The disgusting Roger Ailes is a shining examplar of Murdoch standards.
In Australia, the UK and the US, Rupert Murdoch consistently and stridently urges worship of the plutocracy and contempt for the poor.
The disgusting Roger Ailes is a shining examplar of Murdoch standards.
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Have we forgotten or finally realized that Donald Trump is at his best as a successful real estate executive. He is not at all prepared to be President of the United States, Commander in Chief of the Military, Leader of the Free World. He is qualified to erect buildings, be commander in chief of office staff and construction workers, and make deals, both national and international. Mr. Trump should, for the sake of the United States and the world, remain in real estate where he has found success and can do much less harm than it appears he might do as President of the United States.
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I am appalled at the number of basic ignorant Americans still ready to vote for such an unstable, narcissistic and ignorant person Trump is. Glad too that a fair number of serious, realistic Republicans, furthermore people long involved in the Intelligence, geostrategic and diplomatic fields, finally measure the danger Trump's election would be for the world balance. As he seems a narcissistic man, I am not the least surprised he thinks the latter as worms to tramp on. Or lives are only to joke about. The race for power is to him the greatest thrilling joke. But what would happen if ever the joke turned reality?
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The man doesn't understand how amendments are passed or repealed and he wants to be the President of the USA? And all of those people in the crowd don't understand either or they would know that the only thing the Supreme Court Justices can do is decide whether any law is legal or not based upon the US Constitution and its amendments. The Supreme Court Justices do not have the power nor the authority to repeal any amendment. Only the House and Senate and the states have that power.
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There is hope, Al Capone got caught for his taxes.
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I don't see a threat by Trump. I think he's right in identifying Hillary's judicial nominations as a potential threat to 2nd amendment advocates, as well as many other things. I think he is alluding to the fact that the 2nd amendment advocates have been very powerful in making their views heard. I am not a supporter of Trump in any sense but I think that the liberal and anti-Trump paranoia is out of control in this country to the point of seeing demons that just don't exist. I refuse to give into the hysteria even though I believe Hillary Clinton would be a disaster for this country overall.
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@TWM. The second amendment rights you speak of (I presume you mean a personal right to gun possession outside a militia) weren't put in place until the Heller decision, and that was only courtesy of the now departed Scalia. That was probably the apex (and hopefully final act) of overreach by a very conservative Supreme Court. I expect Secretary Clinton will follow the law and constitution as other presidents have done. Hopefully she'll appoint justices who will rebalance the court and bring some sanity back.
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It's excruciatingly painful to watch his surrogates, Guliani are you listening, talk to us as if we are not to believe what we see and hear but should believe what they tell us he said. When compared to what their candidate actually said, their interpretation is so far fetched that if I actually took them seriously I'd be insulted. It's like watching grown men and women soil themselves. Feh.
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From Art of the Deal:
"I play to people's fantasies," he writes. "People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole."
"You can't con people, at least not for long," Trump writes. "You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you can't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on."
Looks like 'eventually' is sometime last week.
"I play to people's fantasies," he writes. "People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole."
"You can't con people, at least not for long," Trump writes. "You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you can't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on."
Looks like 'eventually' is sometime last week.
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Does Trump believe that the President can simply appoint a Supreme Court judge on a Friday and have him or her start work on a Monday? I don't think that's the way it works.
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"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know."
So, if Hillary takes office, and thus gets to pick federal judges, only "the Second Amendment people" can do anything about it, post-election.
The extent to which the media is bending over backwards to entertain the notion that this was anything other than an assassination attempt is appalling.
So, if Hillary takes office, and thus gets to pick federal judges, only "the Second Amendment people" can do anything about it, post-election.
The extent to which the media is bending over backwards to entertain the notion that this was anything other than an assassination attempt is appalling.
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Just to clarify, his excuse was that he was only encouraging the second amendment people to get out and vote, but if the scenario he is mentioning is post-election...well, that's just a bold faced lie.
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This is not a child. It is a dangerous old man who would be be incarcerated if he weren't running for president.
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In the early days of his campaign he told a group of Trumpsters that he was so popular in NYC that he could fire a gun down 5th Avenue in Manhattan and no one would care. During the DNC, he suggested to the Russians that they should hack his opponent's email. Now he is suggesting assassination of his primary opponent. What's left? How much lower can he stoop before sane, sober people put a stop to his candidacy through whatever legal means necessary? Or are there no legal means available, other than to vote for Sec. Clinton and defeat him at the polls?
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This highly charged "second amendment solution" suggestion by Trump is a "chameleon comment." It takes on the meaning most sought after by the listener. It means whatever the listener wants it to mean. Republicans are really good at this because they speak to the undercurrents of racism and bigotry and can't address them directly.
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Paul Ryan said of it: “like a joke gone bad.” How about ditching "Make America Great Again" and adopting a more accurate campaign slogan "A Joke Gone Bad." Mr. Trump, it's time to make up some new red caps.
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The Republicans spend their lives trying to find some new dirt on Hillary Clinton to tear their hair over, but all they can find is some old emails that they can insinuate are devious.
The Democrats have no such problem. The dirt just spews out of Trumps own mouth in front of huge audiences and TV cameras. Glad to be a Democrat!
The Democrats have no such problem. The dirt just spews out of Trumps own mouth in front of huge audiences and TV cameras. Glad to be a Democrat!
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Paul Ryan. We are roughly the same age, both in public service with similar education and perhaps upbringing. I'm liberal, but I have respect for you and would not consider it a disaster if you were to move even further in politics. There is a true decency about you, admirable and reassuring--and familiar to me. Please withdraw your support for Trump. This can Be a defining moment for you… And if you do nothing, and keep your course, that will define you as well.
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I'm afraid you're wrong. It would be very bad for the U.S. if Ryan's political career went further. You might want to do some research on him.
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Trump's comments on their face are incendiary, bellicose and intentional. Look at the actual text of his quote: "If she gets to pick her judges..." This statement clearly implies that her nomination of a judge or judges would happen once she has been elected to the presidency. Accordingly, the explanations offered by his campaign staff are totally disingenuous, because they are not a call for 2nd Amendment electoral participation, they are nothing less than a call to arms. In the damming words of Murrow to McCarthy, the question must be posed to Trump, "Have you no sense of decency, Sir.."
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I had a (now deceased) big-talking male relative who said stuff like that pretty regularly. We knew darn well what he meant, but he always claimed total innocence. No one trusted him. Ever.
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My feeling is that this is the Trump game plan.
He is holding back on his tax return. That kind of implies that he may have not paid any tax.
That being the case maybe his game plan is not the presidency but to improve the recognition of the "Trump Brand."
Trump wins here president or not.
He is holding back on his tax return. That kind of implies that he may have not paid any tax.
That being the case maybe his game plan is not the presidency but to improve the recognition of the "Trump Brand."
Trump wins here president or not.
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Trump has been audited by the IRS for several years. The IRS has been satisfied that he has paid whatever taxes he owes in full. If not, the IRS would have commenced collection proceedings.
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According to Mr Trump his current audit is ongoing so it would be impossible to say at this point that the IRS is satisfied and Mr Trump has paid whatever taxes he owes.
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Donald Trump is revealing to the nation what a majority of Republican activists truly believe -- so much so that they have elevated him to the head of the Party and are trying to make him our President.
This glimpse into the heart of the GOP, and seeing how hateful it has become, is what is truly frightening about Trump's candidacy.
This glimpse into the heart of the GOP, and seeing how hateful it has become, is what is truly frightening about Trump's candidacy.
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Does anyone remember when a McCain supporter shouted "kill him" about Barack Obama at a McCain rally? When pressed, McCain would not disavow this supporter, but kept repeating "I'm proud of my supporters." This feels new because it's coming out of the Republican nominee's mouth, but this is the party that chortled when one of their Congressmen shouted "you lie" during Obama's state of the union, the party that promoted the character assassination of war heroes Max Cleland and John Kerry, and has tolerated Trump's outrageous disrespect of soldiers dead and alive, including Senator McCain himself. How about Mitt Romney's son saying he wanted to punch a sitting president? If Obama had a son, and that son had said he wanted to punch a white male candidate, what do you think would have happened? And to be perfectly frank -- if Obama or Clinton are assassinated, do you think the Republicans, who have recklessly vilified them for their entire careers, will take any more responsibility than Sarah Palin did when Gabrille Giffords was shot? On Palin's web site, she and her staff had placed crosshairs illustrations over democratic politicians, including Giffords. But of course, that had nothing to do with what happened to her. And did Palin repent? Has any Republican recently repented or apologized for being hateful, racist, woman-hating, and incendiary?
This is nothing new.
This is nothing new.
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I am not a Trump supporter at all, but quite frankly, I think this is silly. In no way do I understand his remark to be a call to any kind of action at all. Personally, this kind of article is beneath the Times.
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You are completely clueless- but... You're sure not alone- you would flip if Trump said this about a child of yours or an uncle, or an aunt. If you are this. incapable of interpreting tone, tempo, and syntax of a persons remarks then you should get some professional counseling.
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Its a poor reflection on the state of our country where a man like Trump can publicly utter comments which vary from overtly racist to inciting violence, yet his followers continue to blindly support him in any case. Trump brings out the worst parts of our society. Whereas for the past 30 years the Republicans have done a masterful job of supporting racism and reactionary policies yet successfully hiding it behind rhetoric, with Trump the cockroaches know that its safe to come out.
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Even if it was a "joke" why would it be funny? Calling on armed citizens to take justice into their own hands? Yeah, I am rolling on the floor laughing at that. Trump should have been in handcuffs long ago for his treasonous rhetoric or maybe a straitjacket is more appropriate. Are there enough for his followers, too?
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A few years ago, Sarah Palin had a website targeting certain Democratic politicians with a bullseye on each. One of them was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. A few months later she was shot at a mass shooting in a Tucson parking lot while holding a meet and greet.
A few weeks ago, tRUMP called the 2016 election rigged, thereby seeking to delegitimize the election, our government and our democracy, implicitly encouraging his supporters not to regard Hillary Clinton as our duly elected president should she win the election.
A few weeks ago he called on Russia to commit espionage against the United States of America and encouraged the Russians to interfere with our lections by having them hack into Hillary Clinton's and the DNC's emails. Treason.
And yesterday, tRUMP called for the Democratic nominee for President of the United States to be assassinated. It’s reckless, dangerous and totally unacceptable.
And he doesn't mean by the ballot box. We all know what he meant yesterday. He's making death threats and he's encouraging his supporters to take action.
When he said Megyn Kelly had blood coming out of everywhere after the first debate, we all knew what he meant. When he talked about Carly Fiorina's face, we all knew what he meant. When he used a Star of David in that tweet, we all knew what he meant.
A few weeks ago, tRUMP called the 2016 election rigged, thereby seeking to delegitimize the election, our government and our democracy, implicitly encouraging his supporters not to regard Hillary Clinton as our duly elected president should she win the election.
A few weeks ago he called on Russia to commit espionage against the United States of America and encouraged the Russians to interfere with our lections by having them hack into Hillary Clinton's and the DNC's emails. Treason.
And yesterday, tRUMP called for the Democratic nominee for President of the United States to be assassinated. It’s reckless, dangerous and totally unacceptable.
And he doesn't mean by the ballot box. We all know what he meant yesterday. He's making death threats and he's encouraging his supporters to take action.
When he said Megyn Kelly had blood coming out of everywhere after the first debate, we all knew what he meant. When he talked about Carly Fiorina's face, we all knew what he meant. When he used a Star of David in that tweet, we all knew what he meant.
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project lately?? trump is a lousy speaker sometimes. i can do better.
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"Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding," -- They Might By Giants.
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The devil's tiny hand.
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The headline could have dropped the last word - "agenda" - and accurately captured Trump's real and intended meaning: "Trump Suggests Gun Owners Could Stop Clinton"
As bad as that is, it is even more chilling that he has unleashed the beast of the gun bullies who always have the power of the bullet to chill opposition. Now they have Trump's license to act.
As bad as that is, it is even more chilling that he has unleashed the beast of the gun bullies who always have the power of the bullet to chill opposition. Now they have Trump's license to act.
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Imagine him saying stuff like this as President--if you dare.....
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Trump makes a dumb statement now all of a sudden the New York Times is biased. What someone ACTUALLY said =/= bias.
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Trump is so far over the line that he's looking at it backwards from behind it. The world and anyone with any common sense knows and understands *exactly* what Trump was getting at with his remark. The Trump sycophants trying to make his statement mean anything but what he plainly and clearly meant are fooling no one, but revealing how pathetically desperate and foolish they are. When will Trump stoop low enough that even his surrogates will realize he is unfit, deranged, and deserving only of medical treatment? How low must Trump go before enough is enough?! The man is a dangerous buffoon, a proto-Putin trying to con us into electing him. Listen, see, and recognize how dangerous this man is - he needs to be treated for his delusions and mental illness.
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barack has said tasteless dumb dangerous things. mainstream media will not condemn.
And so you prove that Trump has not said enough outrageous, dangerous, uncivil and hateful things to reach past your commitment to him. You have bought his con job, and will do anything to not have to admit that you are wrong, that Trump is entirely unfit to be president. How much does he have to prove it, how many dangerous foolish impulsive petty statements does he have to make before it reaches you? Obama has said some things he has regretted saying. We know this because he has apologized, admitted that he made mistakes, and avoided doing it as much as possible. Can you possibly say the same thing of Trump? Trumps patter of saying outrageous incendiary things, then walking them back as jokes, as miss-interpretations, as media-made controversies is a standard pattern for him, we see this almost daily. Every time his apologists claim he did not mean what he plainly and clearly says, and others falsely equate Clinton, Obama, or past opponents to him. There is no equivalence in what others have said and what Trump says over and over - Trump is unfit, unqualified and unhinged.
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There are lots of gun owners in the U.S. and, therefore, lots of votes. If all the gun owners vote for Trump, then Clinton will be defeated.
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Why are conservatives so bad at math? Quite simply, you are wrong.
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I own a gun. No way in Hell would I cast a vote for this maniac.
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The obvious question is what judicial institution can overturn an amendment to the US Constitution? I am thinking that the answer is none. Trump's thinking is bogus on the face of it. Overturning an amendment would require the equivalent of a new amendment and that would require the preponderant activity of State and Federal legislative branches - not the Supreme Court. While a Supreme Court justice who supported restrictions on access to AR-15/AK47 style weapons (one among Clinton's firearm positions) could impact the practical interpretation of the Second Amendment - he or she could not suspend basic provisions of the Second Amendment. Personally, I think a handgun and shotgun are entirely adequate for the purposes of self-defense. I don't see that as being threatened. Anybody who needs an AR-15 or an Uzi should give serious thought to relocating to a less violent neighborhood. May I suggest the mean streets of South Central Los Angeles (I used to live there) as an improvement over someplace like Fallujah or Aleppo. I think that Trump's crowd watches way too much television and Trump panders to their paranoia.
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Mike Pence could get this ball rolling by resigning himself. That should open it up for Donald to make a quick exit right. Just like the Sarah Palin model, a bunch of quitters. Please let the door hit you on the way out. Real hard.
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First, double the number of Secret Service assigned to Hillary, Second, don't imprison Trump; put him in an asylum for the insane where he belongs.
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I am certainly not ever going to vote for Trump, and there is no excuse for his comments, the meaning of which is plain to all.
But let's remember that in 2008 Hillary Clinton made similar comments regarding her nomination race with then Sen. Obama, anyone remember? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLNFsl130_Y
But let's remember that in 2008 Hillary Clinton made similar comments regarding her nomination race with then Sen. Obama, anyone remember? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLNFsl130_Y
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He seems to be addicted to the "titillation of edginess". When he senses that the crowd is getting aroused, he can't stop himself from going right up to, and then often over, the edge.
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Why does the NYT only allow readers to comment on Donald Trump articles and not Hillary Clinton articles? Today's article regarding Hillary's State Department and Foundation overlap is a prime example. I therefore am commenting on the Clinton article. I find it amazing that her campaign staff knows more about the emails' intent than did any of her staffers when they were under oath. Abedin and Mill's standard response was "do not recall", yet the Clinton campaign staff gives very detailed spin about these just released emails. I am beginning to think the NYT should be on the same rack as other "UFO Sightings" sensationalist rags. You are not respectful of the intelligence of your readers.
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It's simple. He is crazed. Crazed by power. The only way to stop him is to say no. "No" is a word he doesn't like. My guess is that he didn't like it when he was little Donny as a boy, and hasn't liked it since, no matter who is saying "no" to him on whatever subject. Megalomania? "I alone" can do x, y, z? Use of the imperative tense, as in "I like to give orders?" I think we all have the picture.
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I am old enough to remember the Kennedy assassinations and the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. These were dark, dark days in our national psyche. Trump would remember them too, if he had the capacity of soul. It's unbelievable to me that anyone would encourage a deranged imagination of repeating such a black deed.
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"It's not the politics, stupid!" -- e.g. the media is viewing Trump through a political lens. Trump's "The Apprentice" had 20.7 million viewers EVERY WEEK for years. He is not a political actor but a cult of personality. He needs to be viewed through that lens. Of course he said the 2nd amendment folks can {shoot dead} Ms. Clinton. It's a script and those are his lines. @johannaclear
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For a man that professes that he will be tough on foreign terrorists, he seems to be open to and even condone domestic terrorism! The U.S. and the World alike will be a much safer place if enough American citizens hit him with his most famous line "Your fired!".
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We're all discussing Trump's remarks and what it shows about his character (or lack thereof), but we should not forget the performances of his campaign spokespersons and his talking heads on television who have sought to bail him out with the party-line cover story: "He was only suggesting political action by the 2nd Amendment folks." Sometimes its just not worth earning your pay check by abandoning any sense of decency and morality. These shills are a disgrace.
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He obviously doesn't want to win. But what's weirder is, it seems he wants the entire country -- and the world -- to lose.
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Here is what I wished for from Santa:
Either we just bring the election up 75 days early, so we can be done with #DonTheCon or....I hope #DonTheCon spends all of whatever loot he has (Where are your tax returns, Don?), so he not only loses his 'Brand" (lost months ago), but also his capital.
Please, Santa, please!
Either we just bring the election up 75 days early, so we can be done with #DonTheCon or....I hope #DonTheCon spends all of whatever loot he has (Where are your tax returns, Don?), so he not only loses his 'Brand" (lost months ago), but also his capital.
Please, Santa, please!
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Trump Giuliani, etc., for the love of the camera's entertainment politics gone gaga - vanity vanity all is vanity and thus we separate those with class and those juveniles seeking fame all in the name of narcissism
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Trump is a dangerous and evil man. It amazes and scares me that he continues to find a receptive audience for his outrageous statements. TV news reports yesterday show a male supporter, who is sitting behind Trump when the Second Amendment statement is made. The man's eyes widen and he appears to gasp when he hears what Trump has to say.
What would happen if some other Trump supporter does not have the common sense that this man apparently displays and decides to do Trump's bidding? Terrifying!
What would happen if some other Trump supporter does not have the common sense that this man apparently displays and decides to do Trump's bidding? Terrifying!
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The best response to the endless string of outrageous comments is not to push an effort to remove Trump from the ballot (as several commentators urge), but to denounce him and to defeat him decisively and overwhelmingly ninety days from now. That will make clear that Trump was a Republican problem, not a national problem. Nor is it Hillary Clinton's responsibility to give disaffected Republicans a second Republican party to vote for, when the original brand has been taken over by the looneys. Republicans need to reflect on how and why a man of this sort defeated sixteen of their politicians, won over 13 million votes and earned their nomination. And, they need to ask themselves if they can make their principles appealing to a reasonable number of Americans without depending on conspiracy theories, racism, bigotry, fear, and threats of violence to frighten, fool, and bully people into supporting policies that are not attractive and persuasive enough on their merits.
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This country has to be prepared to deal with all the people who will be beyond disappointed when Trump rightfully looses in Nov.
We are planning to be out of the country for 3 weeks after the election.
We are planning to be out of the country for 3 weeks after the election.
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Despite her obvious Stalinist tendencies, we do have a Constitution, a Congress, and a Supreme Court, and millions and millions of gun owners and that's not going to change anytime soon--even with a DNC Politburo-packed Court.
What's important to see here, though, is that between the two of them, they have pretty much blown up the system: She with her quasi-criminal past--all documented, even with the FBI--and he with all his well-documented "extreme" attacks on the current “social order”, the corruption in Washington, and the GOP Politburo establishment, his own party.
So the American people, it seems, are left with a “neither” choice. Seems with either, the polis will have to endure another four years, much like the last sixteen, so sad for a land that once had such seemingly unlimited possibilities in human resources and political freedom. Now burden with so much financial debt and political deceit, can the polis survive? Stay tuned.
What's important to see here, though, is that between the two of them, they have pretty much blown up the system: She with her quasi-criminal past--all documented, even with the FBI--and he with all his well-documented "extreme" attacks on the current “social order”, the corruption in Washington, and the GOP Politburo establishment, his own party.
So the American people, it seems, are left with a “neither” choice. Seems with either, the polis will have to endure another four years, much like the last sixteen, so sad for a land that once had such seemingly unlimited possibilities in human resources and political freedom. Now burden with so much financial debt and political deceit, can the polis survive? Stay tuned.
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A lot of Americans seem to be in a betting mood. They are willing to gamble that the outsider, despite his outrageous comments and really big mouth, will be better for the country than the entrenched and corrupt insider, Hillary Clinton.
Of course, this is why the insider candidate, Hillary Clinton, is working so hard to depict him as "unstable" and "unfit". She desperately needs to make that risk unacceptable.
She has cycled through conspiracy theories involving Putin and gun owners. She has decried comments about a woman's menstrual cycle. She has even claimed a baby was ejected from his campaign event. The charges are coming weekly, some quite silly, others with more traction.
I suspect Trump has survived worse things than the Clinton political machine in business. She's throwing all she's got at him, and he just keeps standing. Kind of like how she's responded to republican charges.
She's certainly met her match.
Of course, this is why the insider candidate, Hillary Clinton, is working so hard to depict him as "unstable" and "unfit". She desperately needs to make that risk unacceptable.
She has cycled through conspiracy theories involving Putin and gun owners. She has decried comments about a woman's menstrual cycle. She has even claimed a baby was ejected from his campaign event. The charges are coming weekly, some quite silly, others with more traction.
I suspect Trump has survived worse things than the Clinton political machine in business. She's throwing all she's got at him, and he just keeps standing. Kind of like how she's responded to republican charges.
She's certainly met her match.
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Hillary herself ALSO mentioned a possible assassination during he race against clothing model Obama. Since she is approved by the media, of course, nothing can even be mentioned bout that here until after November 8.
Trump is not only a practiced liar, he is not that practiced a speaker. How does such a crude man succeed in business? Apparently he does what he says he does. But are American progressive able to handle the concept of a leader who doesn't intentionally lie every day?
Some wonder why the State Dept. - Clinton Foundation relationship was never addressed by the FBI head recently. Apparently that investigation was nixed by the Justice Department.
No, Feliks Dzherzhinsky is not leading the U.S. Dept. of Justice.
Trump is not only a practiced liar, he is not that practiced a speaker. How does such a crude man succeed in business? Apparently he does what he says he does. But are American progressive able to handle the concept of a leader who doesn't intentionally lie every day?
Some wonder why the State Dept. - Clinton Foundation relationship was never addressed by the FBI head recently. Apparently that investigation was nixed by the Justice Department.
No, Feliks Dzherzhinsky is not leading the U.S. Dept. of Justice.
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If you don't want to get rid of Donald Trump for yourselves, then get rid of him for the rest of us. THE WORLD DOES NOT WANT HIM, THE WORLD WON'T WORK WITH HIM, they will however rise up against him. If you guys don't stop him the rest of the world will. You need the rest of the world America, and you need to remember who you vote in affects everyone on this planet.
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What's unfortunate is how Trump's campaign has illustrated the "team sports" mentality that has overtaken our political system, i.e., how voters will vote party lines no matter who is put on the ticket. Voters who were once for Romney, Bush, and Reagan, now contort themselves to rationalize their support of Trump and his policies. The demonization of Hillary Clinton is the flipside of this same phenomenon -- no matter how well respected a stateswoman, no matter how respectable and accomplished she is, the other side will use make-believe scandals in order to justify their vote against her.
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It never occurred to me that he meant anything other than as 2nd Amendment Proponents we have the political power to vote and make sure that an Originalist Jurist is appointed to the Supreme Court by Trump rather than an Activist Jurist via Clinton. I swear that those who would suggest otherwise are the ones we have to worry about...probably because they are projectng their thoughts ....that is what they would like to do no doubt.
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Would such an "originalist juror" interpret the second amendment to include only those firearms available in 1776? That would seem to support the word "original," and I'd be fine with that.
Regardless of one's beliefs, who in the world would want a president who is constantly making statements and being "misunderstood," leading to making a lot of people angry? At best they will not be effective, in reality it is very dangerous.
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What more does ANYONE who is remotely rational and reasonable need to recognize Trump must NOT become President. He knew EXACTLY what his '2nd amendment' remarks meant to his followers - incite violence against Mrs. Clinton and, perhaps, against Supreme Court justices. Despicable.
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I have grown less alarmed at the prospect of Donald Trump being elected - because I think it will never happen.
However, I am very concerned about the day after the election. Will Trump agitate his pack of followers so much that they go on a rampage? Whether we like it or not he is wielding a significant amount of power and influencing millions of people. He is deliberately creating a Secret Service nightmare. He is such a completely dishonorable person. He is a disgrace to America.
However, I am very concerned about the day after the election. Will Trump agitate his pack of followers so much that they go on a rampage? Whether we like it or not he is wielding a significant amount of power and influencing millions of people. He is deliberately creating a Secret Service nightmare. He is such a completely dishonorable person. He is a disgrace to America.
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Trump is a reckless big mouth with the brains of a rooster and the mouth of FOX NEWS. He is selling junk to people who like to buy junk. He won't win 4 states come November and bring back Jon Stewart so life can get funny again.
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This just gets better and better - taking down a wave of other useless republicans with him. Oh happy day.
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I've watched the video of Mr. Trump's remarks several times. There are 20-some people in the audience behind him visible in the video. It appears to me that maybe ten aren't paying attention. But, I can see at least seven people react immediately to his “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” comment and the reaction is smiling or chuckling. I really don't think the thought of people voting elicits such reaction. What does that leave us with?
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It was talk like this that nearly ended Gabby Giffords' life. She will live out the remainder of her days in the shadow of disability as a constant reminder to all of us where tolerating hate speech leads.
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LISTEN CAREFULLY to the very end of Trumps reference to 2nd Amendment people. He finishes with, "that would be an awful day".
If Trump were referring to 2nd Amendment people exercising their political rights for their desired goals, it would make no sense for him to characterize that as an awful day.
" ... that would be an awful day" sounds like Trump is trying to distance himself from an assassination.
If Trump were referring to 2nd Amendment people exercising their political rights for their desired goals, it would make no sense for him to characterize that as an awful day.
" ... that would be an awful day" sounds like Trump is trying to distance himself from an assassination.
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Donald Trump is a crazy person like Sarah Palin, but in a different sort of way.
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In slogging through these comments, I am heartened to hear the voices of sensible Republicans (as well as gun owners) who are outraged at Trump’s comments and intend to vote against this unqualified fascist demagogue in November. I thank them for speaking out. If only the Republican “leadership” had their good judgement, integrity and courage. Trump is a clear and present danger to our nation. Unfortunately he is just a symptom of various larger ills in our system and in the Republican party. How to address these problems will be widely discussed. For now, all eligible voters must come together to deny Trump the election. Please be practical and use your vote wisely. Consider what’s at stake and the big picture. Clinton is well-qualified for the job, and respected around the world. She’s a sane and workable choice for the next four years.
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Only a true zealot divorced from reality would think Clinton would be able to do anything about gun control and the second ammendment if she took office. And furthermore, if she wasted any serious political capital on it considering what else needs to be done in this country then she is a fool.
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This nation of bullies is now reaping what it has sown (not just in the USA, but
on the entire planet) for the last 50 years of belligerence.
on the entire planet) for the last 50 years of belligerence.
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He may meant a civil war by the second amendment people. Who knows? The bottom line is he occupies the cyberspace without hurting himself. The polls will bounce back. By the way, Who killed DNC 27 year old staffer presumably leaked DNCC emails?
Trump's apologists are intentionally brushing this off as a joke gone bad..just look at the middle aged bearded man behind Trump and look at his reaction, as well as the reaction of the young man in the brown/red plaid shirt--they both know Trump was skirting the idea of political assassination. When Trump loses, the nation will be forever changed. There is no turning back; the Republican Party, after decades of stoking racial and immigrant and "anti intellectuals/anti elites" bigotry, finally went full throttle, to the shock of the moneyed GOP regulars. Johnny Depp a few months ago said it best: this is fascinating, because the country will never be the same again, it will be the end of the United States as we have always known it. (paraphrase)
There is no turning back. Trump has unleashed formerly controlled desires of the GOP id. A permanent political fracture based on "white Christian identity" is what Trump wants, not the presidency, then his place in the history books will be secured.
There is no turning back. Trump has unleashed formerly controlled desires of the GOP id. A permanent political fracture based on "white Christian identity" is what Trump wants, not the presidency, then his place in the history books will be secured.
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"Something Wicked This Way Comes" -Ray Bradbury
Donald is no longer running for President. He's just been elected Bogey Man.
Donald is no longer running for President. He's just been elected Bogey Man.
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Meanwhile, news is breaking that Hillary used the Department of State as a storefront for the Clinton Foundation, and the DOJ blocked an investigation into her corruption.
If you can manage to comb through the Times' coverage of stupid things Trump said, and the Olympics, you just might find a tiny link to this rather important story.
If you can manage to comb through the Times' coverage of stupid things Trump said, and the Olympics, you just might find a tiny link to this rather important story.
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The silence from the Republicans today is deafening ...
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All the damage-control arguments by Trump and his supporters--that he was suggesting 2nd Amendment people become politically active (as if they have not been) or that “horrible day” could refer to the day when a President Clinton picked anti-gun judges rather than the day on which she might be assassinated--are given the lie by the reaction of the audience listening to his words live, which clearly showed they understood him to be playing with the suggestion of assassination.
Trump knew what his words were saying to his audience, and it is that vicious meaning for which he has to be held accountable. How long can the Republican establishment continue to support this dangerous demagogue?
Trump knew what his words were saying to his audience, and it is that vicious meaning for which he has to be held accountable. How long can the Republican establishment continue to support this dangerous demagogue?
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What the media ignores and cut off the end of the clip at his "but... I'll tell you what, it will be a horrible day." Is the media really going to accept the notion that Trump believes that Second Amendment people organizing would be a "horrible day"? I watched this clip on many venues and this was cut off almost all of them. What is wrong with the media?
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Brava.......for the gentleman with the delicate small hands, and he might well have his way as the nature of the US has so changed in these last years of continuing political warfare. We are not who we once were, and were any of our past defeated Presidential hopefuls running, they would be welcomed with joy.
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Yet another example of Trump's complete vacuum of knowledge about the way our government works. If "Second Amendment people" take up his sideways suggestion of violence towards Clinton, then it's Kaine who steps in. Even an American kindergardner knows the chain of command on this.
I think it's significant that this point has been missed. Trump's followers are not the slightest bit interested in - government -. It's blood they're interested in.
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And rational Americans can stop Trump. Get off your easy chairs and vote.
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Trump clearly states his premise: Hillary Clinton gets elected. Then, his first conclusion: she would appoint a Supreme Court Justice and judges who would weaken the right to bear arms, and there is "nothing you can do, folks" followed immediately by "“Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know”. Since it would be too late for these gun lovers to elect Trump President, what else could they do? Trump knows, and we know, too.
There is still plenty of time for sane people to leave the Republican Party in droves, as a protest.
There is still plenty of time for sane people to leave the Republican Party in droves, as a protest.
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Clinton should be the one to skip the "debates." Why validate his offensive behavior? If Clinton truly thinks Trump is unfit to serve, why provide him, 3 times, with loads of airtime to hurl personal insults and foment national discord?
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I'm starting to agree - just skip the debates. It would be like "debating" a toddler in full tantrum meltdown. Not something a rational adult would do.
"A joke gone bad" pretty much defines the candidate.
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Horrible, disgusting, and a number of other negative adjectives, "incitement" if that is the correct word applies here, the intersection of unbalanced or violent behavior and possession of lethal weapon with endorsement by an authority figure can be terrible, see also Thomas Friedman's editorial ...
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This is nothing. Just wait until the debates. The GOP candidate will not fail to disappoint.
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I would like to have an assessment of Trump's mental health by a psychiatrist.
In my opinion Trump's insane declarations are intentional....to satisfy his
insatiable desire for attention....and I do not think Trump cares what KIND of
attention he gets....as long as it is the FULL attention of any and all those who
will and feel they MUST pay attention.
I think Donald J. Trump is mentally ILL.
In my opinion Trump's insane declarations are intentional....to satisfy his
insatiable desire for attention....and I do not think Trump cares what KIND of
attention he gets....as long as it is the FULL attention of any and all those who
will and feel they MUST pay attention.
I think Donald J. Trump is mentally ILL.
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Equally reprehensible is the GOP looking on and doing nothing to stop this juggernaut of hatred.
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Wow, 4800 comments. Fox news analogy is so apt. The Don is adept at dishing out regular doses of catnip for liberal cats.
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The phrase "Second Amendment people" highlights the danger of decades of rhetoric about the right to bear arms. Mr. Trump has simply recognized the extremism lurking beneath the statements by the NRA and others, who have long advocated that gun owners "Stand Up and Fight."
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Wouldn't any non-candidate who said something like this in a public forum get some close attention from the FBI and Secret Service?
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The NYTimes keeps falling for giving Trump free media exposure. Why can't NYT report something positive about this election? How about issues that concern most of us?
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Trump and his defenders are - as usual - belied by his own words. He didn't appeal to "voters" to stop Clinton, but rather to gun-toters. There's no explaining that away as harmless. Harm was definitely meant. And Giuliani's comment that "We're here to beat her up" is incredibly thuggish, though increasingly characteristic of him. Both men are sounding distinctly deranged.
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The truth is that if Hillary Clinton really believes Donald Trump was calling for her assassination, she is unfit to be Commander in Chief. She's entirely too paranoid and makes Nixon look like an open book.
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When Trump has made racist remarks, many Republicans have been quick to criticize him. However, calling for gun lovers to take out Clinton has so far only received a "joke gone bad" comment from Paul Ryan. This failure to condemn Trump for inciting violence reminds us how much power the NRA has over the GOP. I'm skeptical that even so-called moderate Republicans, like Mark Kirk of Illinois, will risk alienating the Gun Lobby. Pathetic.
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You people need to get a grip. Trumps' comments were obviously aimed at encouraging 2nd Amendment proponents to vote. The lengths at which The Times and Democrats will go to skew anything Trumps says to extremism is laughable. You long ago relinquished any semblance of balance in your political coverage.
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OH, of course, thank you for the explanation.
Since he was talking about what might occur AFTER she was elected (and in process of nominating judges), he must have been referring to the election of 2020. It was a call to those Second Amendment people to deny her a second term. But of course it was.
Since he was talking about what might occur AFTER she was elected (and in process of nominating judges), he must have been referring to the election of 2020. It was a call to those Second Amendment people to deny her a second term. But of course it was.
Let’s take a look at the meaning of what Donald Trump in a slightly different way. The one thing that both sides agree on is that Mr. Trump made a “call to action for ’2nd Amendment people.’” Question is, what “action” are those people being called to do? Mr. Trump laid out a scenario where Hillary Clinton has become the President with the power to appoint judges (and justices.) According to Mr. Trump, Pres. Clinton will appoint judges (and justices) who be hostile to the 2nd Amendment. Mr. Trump clearly stated that there was nothing the people in his audience could do to stop Pres. Clinton from appointing judges (and justices). Then Mr. Trump made his call to action saying: “Although the 2nd Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
The 2nd Amendment is about the right to bear arms: meaning, guns. So, if Ms. Clinton has become President with the power of appointment and the people in the audience could not do anything to stop her from making those appointments, unless … So what do 2nd Amendment people have that’s special? Guns.
A strong reason to interpret this as a “call to assassinate” is the Mr. Trump well known for his tactic of seeking revenge as well as his well known associations with members of NY crime families. The Trump apologists can try to spin this one all they want. But given context and candidate the clearest interpretation is a call to assassinate either before or after the election. And I can only believe the Secret Service sees it the same way.
The 2nd Amendment is about the right to bear arms: meaning, guns. So, if Ms. Clinton has become President with the power of appointment and the people in the audience could not do anything to stop her from making those appointments, unless … So what do 2nd Amendment people have that’s special? Guns.
A strong reason to interpret this as a “call to assassinate” is the Mr. Trump well known for his tactic of seeking revenge as well as his well known associations with members of NY crime families. The Trump apologists can try to spin this one all they want. But given context and candidate the clearest interpretation is a call to assassinate either before or after the election. And I can only believe the Secret Service sees it the same way.
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And this coming on the heels of a convention where a candidate for the highest office in the land encouraged his supporters chanting "lock her up!"
Think about that, folks. Arrest your opponent to silence her. Sounds like many tin pot dictators we have seen in third-world countries.
Trump is a serious threat to democracy.
Think about that, folks. Arrest your opponent to silence her. Sounds like many tin pot dictators we have seen in third-world countries.
Trump is a serious threat to democracy.
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As predicted this self effacing megalomaniac is imploding.
However, to what end has of this back stabbing, leveraging, money hungry vein of politics brought the Republican party? In Florida our beautiful natural environment is literally being destroyed, in the U.S. as a whole there is a mad man who has taken over the media, the fringe who feel disenfranchised and the right wing conservative political party that used to stand for something. Agreeing to disagree in politics is long forgotten, as well as humanity and the reason politicians are elected to serve "We the People." There are consequences we are taught in grade school to making bad choices. Well, what are the consequences to this type of behavior? The Congress and the FBI should be taking this mad man out of the running.
However, to what end has of this back stabbing, leveraging, money hungry vein of politics brought the Republican party? In Florida our beautiful natural environment is literally being destroyed, in the U.S. as a whole there is a mad man who has taken over the media, the fringe who feel disenfranchised and the right wing conservative political party that used to stand for something. Agreeing to disagree in politics is long forgotten, as well as humanity and the reason politicians are elected to serve "We the People." There are consequences we are taught in grade school to making bad choices. Well, what are the consequences to this type of behavior? The Congress and the FBI should be taking this mad man out of the running.
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Is Mr. Giuliani Trumps translator?
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It's funny that a person who is admired for "telling it like it is" has to explained every time he actually tells it like it is.
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This sort of rhetoric is clearly "beyond the pale." However, by way of context, people need to realize that this sort of thing is a very common part of the daily "diet" of those who listen to the dark world of right-wing talk radio.
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Trump has just given a lot of overtime to the Secret Service et al. I wish we were a little less democratic and could remove this guy from his campaign. What, indeed, would it take for people to condemn him once and for all. His impunity is a virus that will provide greater encouragement to those who yell "kill her" at his rallies. Isn't there something that can be done about this man?
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If Trump felt he was joking, then he proved he's not qualified to be President.
He knows or should lnow he's not just speaking to the room, but to the Country and the World. Most people know what he was refering to. Words matter, especially when you are running for President of the U.S. There are too many Half baked people out there, The last thing Anyone should do is give them a reason to act. If this does not wake Up Ameicans that this man can never be in the Oval Office then I don't know what would.
He knows or should lnow he's not just speaking to the room, but to the Country and the World. Most people know what he was refering to. Words matter, especially when you are running for President of the U.S. There are too many Half baked people out there, The last thing Anyone should do is give them a reason to act. If this does not wake Up Ameicans that this man can never be in the Oval Office then I don't know what would.
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I have never seen such much to do about nothing. The Times and its followers have essentially invented this story. Without the story no one would have though anything of Trump's comment. The meaning is exactly what he said. It would be unfortunate if Clinton appointment/s to the SS alter the balance and lead to an alternate interpretation of the second amendment. Nothing less nothing more. This goes beyond bias reporting the Times signed off on a couple days ago. But, hey, if you have visions of the Apocalypse anything goes right? Easy to see where this is going. Granted the story is not nearly as extreme as many of the comments here.
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Make that SC. Must have be reading too many Trump stories.
Who are these "second amendment people" he refers to??? Aren't all Americans "second amendment people"? His language of division runs straight to the core. He does not understand our country at any detectable level. He is scary and dangerous.
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This should be enough to make any decent person physically sick with dread. Trump is opening up the nasty mean underbelly of our culture and history, and who knows what will spill out.
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It becomes even clearer if it's "The second amendment, people..." that it's a direct reference to the use of arms under the second amendment. You can't see commas when one is speaking, but it's certainly there.
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Even the hardliners are distancing themselves.
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I have a nightmarish vision of President Trump saying to our allies in Europe: "I made a yuge deal with Putin. He is getting back the Baltics, Azerbaijan and all those other "stans" and in return he will invade Iran, get rid of their nukes, and we will share the Iranian oil."
As the dust settles from British and French nuclear strikes on Washington, DC, a radio message comes out of an underground bunker, "Gee, can't you guys take a joe? Gimme a break, will ya?"
As the dust settles from British and French nuclear strikes on Washington, DC, a radio message comes out of an underground bunker, "Gee, can't you guys take a joe? Gimme a break, will ya?"
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Brad, I know your tongue in firmly in cheek on this one, but that would actually be a very bad deal for Russia. Putin would have to spend every second in a reconstituted Soviet Union (which would be the practical result of bringing back the Baltics, Azerbaijan and the "stans") quelling independence movements in every republic that broke away in the '90s. And invading Iran? Sure, if Russia wants to commit national suicide. The invasion of Afghanistan in '79 and the ensuing decade-long war there is widely credited with accelerating the breakup of the USSR in the first place. A ground war in Iran would make Afghanistan look like a walk in the park - before even getting into the high likelihood that overnight it would make Russia the top target for every Islamic terrorist in the world. Putin is much too smart to ever go for any of this.
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I think I finally figured out the tax return thing. It's not about audits or non-existent charitable donations. He's not releasing them because they show that his net worth is not nearly as great as Hillary Clinton's.
This man could not be making it any clearer that he is desperate to get out of this race, and it is the cruelest of ironies that every deranged action he takes only solidifies the support of his followers. Hoist with his own petard indeed.
This man could not be making it any clearer that he is desperate to get out of this race, and it is the cruelest of ironies that every deranged action he takes only solidifies the support of his followers. Hoist with his own petard indeed.
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"He's not releasing them because they show that his net worth is not nearly as great as Hillary Clinton's."
Deborah, I'm not sure exactly what his motivation is as to his tax returns, but if it's as you say, he could spin that to say that at least he made his money as a successful businessman (I realize that the "successful" part is open to question) while Hillary and Bill made their money in a corrupt manner, by in effect taking bribes from foreign governments while she was Secretary of State. (There is at least a real question on this point.)
An alternate explanation (which, I must stress, is completely unsubstantiated at this point) that has been making the rounds is that Trump won't release his returns because they would show that he has made donations to NAMBLA. Google them if you'd like, but be warned: you may very well want to vomit, or at least to take a shower/bath with a Brillo Pad, after finding out who they are.
Deborah, I'm not sure exactly what his motivation is as to his tax returns, but if it's as you say, he could spin that to say that at least he made his money as a successful businessman (I realize that the "successful" part is open to question) while Hillary and Bill made their money in a corrupt manner, by in effect taking bribes from foreign governments while she was Secretary of State. (There is at least a real question on this point.)
An alternate explanation (which, I must stress, is completely unsubstantiated at this point) that has been making the rounds is that Trump won't release his returns because they would show that he has made donations to NAMBLA. Google them if you'd like, but be warned: you may very well want to vomit, or at least to take a shower/bath with a Brillo Pad, after finding out who they are.
I wonder if his goal is to destroy the modern Republican party or his brand?
He has been a Democrat and now a Republican for convenience. Is he working for HRC?
He has been a Democrat and now a Republican for convenience. Is he working for HRC?
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I guess it doesn't matter that during the terms of George bush jr. A film and book came out showing how to assassinate him. Or let's back to 2008 election when Hillary was asked why she was still in the race against Obama, she said, "
1968 bobby Kennedy was killed, so anything can happen. And they say trump is wrong and worst with hysteria all over the biased press, please give me a break.
1968 bobby Kennedy was killed, so anything can happen. And they say trump is wrong and worst with hysteria all over the biased press, please give me a break.
You don't have to a dog to hear that whistle. Let's not mince around it--Trump suggested that somebody assassinate Clinton. That alone is enough to disqualify Trump from being president. Apparently Trump, who relies on his Russian advisers, is taking a page from the Putin playbook. Putin is quite adept at making his rivals disappear permanently.
Welcome to Trump's oligarchy.
Welcome to Trump's oligarchy.
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The left and the media have, once again, twisted their caricature of "Second Amendment people."
It is amazing that the media and the left believe that "Second Amendment people" are potential assassins or that assassins give a hoot about the Second Amendment. People that would defend their gun rights are NOT the ones that anyone should fear, unless they are feared for their political clout. "Second amendment people" are not criminals, and in fact have less tendency toward crime than anyone else. To jump to the conclusion that Trump, even jokingly, suggested otherwise is startlingly silly.
Assassins and other criminals get guns no matter what and want others NOT to have guns. They don't care about the Second Amendment. They are solidly with the anti-gun left.
Time to peek outside your little bubble NYT.
It is amazing that the media and the left believe that "Second Amendment people" are potential assassins or that assassins give a hoot about the Second Amendment. People that would defend their gun rights are NOT the ones that anyone should fear, unless they are feared for their political clout. "Second amendment people" are not criminals, and in fact have less tendency toward crime than anyone else. To jump to the conclusion that Trump, even jokingly, suggested otherwise is startlingly silly.
Assassins and other criminals get guns no matter what and want others NOT to have guns. They don't care about the Second Amendment. They are solidly with the anti-gun left.
Time to peek outside your little bubble NYT.
I was first introduced to the concept of selective hearing as a young child.
My grandfather used to lay on the couch with his 'good ear' down.
Thus, he was able to 'selectively hear' my grandmother and enjoy 'plausible deniability' when asked why he hadn't heard her.
I'm sure many of Trump's supporters are good people, but they definitely have their 'good ear' down.
My grandfather used to lay on the couch with his 'good ear' down.
Thus, he was able to 'selectively hear' my grandmother and enjoy 'plausible deniability' when asked why he hadn't heard her.
I'm sure many of Trump's supporters are good people, but they definitely have their 'good ear' down.
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Donald Trump did NOT suggest anything! I heard exactly what he said and what he said was that the 2nd Amendment people may be able to do something! And he was completely ACCURATE! Does anyone for one minute believe that the NRA, the MOST powerful organization in the US will stand by and just let ANYONE disarm Americans! Not only are they the MOST POWERFUL politically they are the MOST law abiding, and anyone who heard or in this case INVENTED any kind of violent comment is either delusional or in the case of the Media... LIARS! They are so desperate because when their candidate has a rally they cannot fill a room, yet Trump has 16K to 20K people at every event... given a one day notice! The bottom line is that the Media has LIED just too much and no one trusts them and everybody KNOWS what they are doing NOW! But what they should do is report SOMETHING, ANYTHING on Clinton at least once a day??? She is in some form or fashion a candidate!
Then why did Trump say that "it would be a horrible day" if the "second ammendment " people were the only people who could oppose Mrs. Clinton's possible future attack on the second amendment? Your explanation doesn't hold up.
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In the 2000 census, Elkton had a white population of 85.85% and in the 2010 census it had fallen to 76%.
What if I were to say that I sincerely hope we can get that down to below 50% by census 2020?
Would you take that the wrong way?
What if I were to say that I sincerely hope we can get that down to below 50% by census 2020?
Would you take that the wrong way?
I don't live in the USA and I know that EVEN if she wanted to do so, Mrs Clinton could not abolish the second, or any other amendment or in any way modify the US constitution, nor could she by stacking the Supreme Court with nine liberal Judges, should they all resign or pass away in her first term. It requires two thirds of Congress and then three quarters of the States to make those sort of changes. How comes Mr Trump doesn't know that?
Oh - he does but it is an inconvenient truth!
Oh - he does but it is an inconvenient truth!
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Reprehensible bully and an ignorant one too. If Clinton can "she gets to pick her judges, [there's] nothing you can do, folks," so would (heaven forbid) a President Trump. It's a function of the presidency. Presidents nominate judges and the legislative branch advises and consents (or balks at doing its job as we've seen this summer.)
I don't think he could pass the exam immigrant-new citizens take.
I don't think he could pass the exam immigrant-new citizens take.
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Seriously? Wow, just wow!! An entire speech on the economy and its completely ignored. Maybe because it actually makes too much sense? I'm sure all the the people with negative comments here will think a 1% growth rate is just fabulous if the media tells them so. The media bias is so ridiculous at this point it is utterly pathetic. How the media can take one line out of context, blow it way out of proportion and then have people actually believe it is beyond me. I use to believe Americans were smarter than that; I use to believe Americans could see past the media bias. After reading all of these negative comments now, I am no longer quite so sure. For those of you who don't know, Clinton not once but twice said in 2008 that she needed to stay in the 2008 race because Obama could get assassinated. Funny isn't it how not once was this fact mentioned in this article? Ah, but then people would have actually have a balanced view point and maybe actually pay attention the the economic policy presented. Shhh, bring up more false accusations of hatred, don't mention how trump is lowering taxes for everyone and Hillary is raising taxes on everyone (and yes even on the middle class).. Heck people might get the wrong idea and actually vote for Trump. Media can't have that!
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She shouldn't have said that - it was unwise. But I don't think anybody, then or now, thought she was saying an assassination would be a good thing. The context was entirely different. Trump was warning people that if his opponent got elected, there would be no way to deal with her ... except violence.
I most certainly hope that gun owners can sway this election. Gun ownership should be a REQUIREMENT for all Americans, not a political issue. ..the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Hey, cj, what about the "well-regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment? Are YOU a member of a "well-regulated militia"? Should we all be required to join one, too?
And when you say that "gun ownership should be a REQUIREMENT for all Americans," do you mean Americans of ALL races, ethnicities, and religions?
And when you say that "gun ownership should be a REQUIREMENT for all Americans," do you mean Americans of ALL races, ethnicities, and religions?
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It's a right, not a requirement. I would never place a finger on a gun and that is my right.
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OK, then one gun per family. Single-action, 6 shot revolver. Not transferable on death. I could go along with that.
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Though I am no fan of Trump, or Clinton, it is too preposterous to believe Trump meant for gun owners to take Clinton out. It's credible that he meant peaceful politcal means. It's the association with the NRA, in some peoples minds and Media, with violence and desperation that makes possible such an association. I think the overwhelming number of gun owners have a gun for home protection or sport, and would be appalled at that idea of unlawful attack.
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And I guess Henry the Second was just talking hypothetically when he said "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?"
I fear two things:
1.) Even if he gets 26% of the vote, who are these people?
2.) After he loses, the media will persist in giving him a soap box; he will not go away.
1.) Even if he gets 26% of the vote, who are these people?
2.) After he loses, the media will persist in giving him a soap box; he will not go away.
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New poll: Clinton leads Trump by 6
By Louis Nelson| 08/10/16 08:06 AM EDT
"Hillary Clinton holds a six point lead over Donald Trump among likely voters, according to a fresh Bloomberg Politics national poll released Wednesday morning.
Fifty percent of the likely voters reached by the new poll say they either support Clinton or are leaning her way, while just 44 percent said the same of Trump. The poll shows the former secretary of state with a smaller advantage than she has in most other recent polls, most of which have lately shown her to hold a double-digit lead."
Going up, not down. Hmmmmm? Who'd have guessed?
By Louis Nelson| 08/10/16 08:06 AM EDT
"Hillary Clinton holds a six point lead over Donald Trump among likely voters, according to a fresh Bloomberg Politics national poll released Wednesday morning.
Fifty percent of the likely voters reached by the new poll say they either support Clinton or are leaning her way, while just 44 percent said the same of Trump. The poll shows the former secretary of state with a smaller advantage than she has in most other recent polls, most of which have lately shown her to hold a double-digit lead."
Going up, not down. Hmmmmm? Who'd have guessed?
Polls call landlines. People who answer landlines are a demographic that is either elderly or out of it. Polls have been wildly misleading for a while now for this and many other reasons.
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Here's the thing: Trump can continue to blame the media for this interpretation of his words, but what he doesn't understand (or admit) is that what people who listen to him take away from his words -- beyond the interpretations from the media -- is what's really important. In this particular case, if someone listening to his ambiguous comments hears him giving them permission to be violent, then they might go ahead and act on that interpretation. Whatever Hillary Clinton may say, she's never said anything that can be interpreted as a call to violence. Media "spin" aside, he may well have just given someone the permission they feel they need to hurt someone. This is beyond a new low. This is horrible, despicable, dangerous, frightening behavior.
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How much more of this insanity will be tolerated? Republicans must decide to put their country first and denounce Trump once and for all. This is no longer about politics, it's about humanity.
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The Republicans gave Donald Trump a shot at the presidency. How can we think of the Republicans as a viable or credible party? I hope with DJT's landslide loss, the Republicans will fold up and die.
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Hopefully November will be a very bad month for him. First the election and then his trial for fraud starts later that month.
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I'm pro-gun and anti-Trump and know a lot of people in both camps. NO ONE I know in either camp thought this was anything more than a call to exercise constitutional rights. Perhaps the liberals (and their pet faux conservative lapdogs) are worried about violence because that's what they do when they don't get their way?
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1. "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Though the Second Amendment people - maybe there is, I don't know."
What can the second amendment people do, after she gets to pick her judges ?
2. "It would be a horrible day".
If the second amendment people are going to vote against her (as he explained later in the day). Why would that be a horrible day ?
What can the second amendment people do, after she gets to pick her judges ?
2. "It would be a horrible day".
If the second amendment people are going to vote against her (as he explained later in the day). Why would that be a horrible day ?
Your explanation does not hold water. He was pointing out that AFTER she is elected and is able to appoint judges, your "constitutional right" to do anything about that is over. The citizens have no choice then but to accept her judicial choices. The only other option is violence.
Trump was not calling on people to come out and vote because he is clearly speaking about a Clinton presidency. There is nothing you can do. Unless… you are a gun owner. Meaning…
A) Lobby for your cause.
or
B) Shoot for you cause.
It can only mean A or B. He is really suggesting that the great lobbying powers of the NRA are not enough?
Doesn't sound like it.
Furthermore… to be even having this unprecedented conversation proves once again, that loose lipped Trump is unfit to be president.
A) Lobby for your cause.
or
B) Shoot for you cause.
It can only mean A or B. He is really suggesting that the great lobbying powers of the NRA are not enough?
Doesn't sound like it.
Furthermore… to be even having this unprecedented conversation proves once again, that loose lipped Trump is unfit to be president.
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This kind of language is unacceptable from a Presidential candidate. I would like to see Trump admonished, charged, or in some way held accountable to the laws that exist protecting public officials.
That a person running for the highest position in the country could make such a statement at a time when gun violence is so real, and so lethal, and so dangerous — frankly, it is beyond comprehension.
Yet to allow his statement to go *unpunished* is also dangerous, for it gives Mr. Trump and his most unhinged followers license to continue to sow chaos and destruction through their words and deeds. We need only to look to John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., Harvey Milk, and Gabrielle Giffords as examples of this.
That a person running for the highest position in the country could make such a statement at a time when gun violence is so real, and so lethal, and so dangerous — frankly, it is beyond comprehension.
Yet to allow his statement to go *unpunished* is also dangerous, for it gives Mr. Trump and his most unhinged followers license to continue to sow chaos and destruction through their words and deeds. We need only to look to John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., Harvey Milk, and Gabrielle Giffords as examples of this.
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I do wish that this election was happening next week! I fear that this rhetoric is only going to get worse and worse.
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I'm one of the 1st Amendment people. As such I'm "going to act against" Donald Trump. Presidents have to suffer the opinions of citizens and sometimes face criticism from entire nations. To advocate violence, to advocate the murder of "suspected" terrorists families, to advocate the wholesale use of nuclear weapons to solve American disputes with other nations is reflective of Mr. Trumps total ignorance or flippant disregard for our Constitutional freedoms, the Rule of Law, and for the sanctity of human life.
To say "could" as a method for armed Americans to solve their political dissatisfaction is reckless, arrogant and in these days of violent social upheaval criminal. If he can't control himself as a candidate, what makes people think he will have constraint if elected? Ever see the Movie "The Dead Zone?" nuff said.
To say "could" as a method for armed Americans to solve their political dissatisfaction is reckless, arrogant and in these days of violent social upheaval criminal. If he can't control himself as a candidate, what makes people think he will have constraint if elected? Ever see the Movie "The Dead Zone?" nuff said.
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The people who believe he's joking simply do not understand how a sociopath thinks. His thought process is so far past the scope of that of a normal person, it is beyond belief to consider his true intent. The Don knows exactly what he's saying, precisely what he's inciting.
If you believe he's a "strong" person who will keep you safe, please reconsider. His braggadocio and his relentless attacks on those who oppose him make him sound more like Kim Jong Un.
If you believe he's a financial "genius" who will bring back manufacturing or energy jobs, you better check his record. And, while you're at it, make sure you get to check his tax returns.
If you believe he's a "strong" person who will keep you safe, please reconsider. His braggadocio and his relentless attacks on those who oppose him make him sound more like Kim Jong Un.
If you believe he's a financial "genius" who will bring back manufacturing or energy jobs, you better check his record. And, while you're at it, make sure you get to check his tax returns.
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Those so-called Republican leaders, please think for a second about the country and not just your party, and withdraw your nomination for Trump to run for president. There maybe no good candidate out there, but I think anyone with a rational mind would be better than Trump. Imagine if something like this incident happens in G12 meeting or with Russia or with any head of state in the world. People won't just laugh it off but consider this as an act of world. Would you guys want WWIII?
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Sorry, NYT libs, but while you're making a big fuss over this nonsense, the polls are beginning to turn again. Don't you realize Trump is making chumps of you all? His stock in trade is to create one silly controversy after another and then let Hillary fall of her own weight.
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Apparently Trump is making a chump out of you, if you believe his polls are "beginning to turn again." Urging your supporters to assassinate your rival is not going to win over any undecideds. A lot of Americans may be violent ignorant bigots, but thankfully not enough for Trump to get elected.
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He has to be extra careful, because there’s almost nothing he could say that Clinton’s team wouldn’t try to put a sinister construction on, as a distraction from her record, and that much of the press wouldn’t take up because of the appeal of writing about controversy. For the purpose of the campaign, Clinton has effectively conceded the legitimacy of Trump’s issues rather than continuing to suppress them, but this means that she must then discredit Trump as a human being: yes, he may have some good points, but he’s an ill-bred loudmouth, and a candidate who challenges the status quo really ought to be more polite about it. But that’s politics (I am sure he would do the same). So, if the paranoiacs working for Clinton warn that “My fellow Americans” are the words of a fascist or “Good morning” is something only a sneak thief would say, he can’t take the bait. Every day that he delivers a formal speech speaking to the issues is a day when his opponents can’t accuse him of anything other than maybe, just maybe being right about a couple of things.
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Maybe he really wants Hillary to win.
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I never thought a human could have foot in mouth disease, but Donald Trump has proved me wrong! And all these comments requesting Republicans to withdraw their support of his candidacy?! I'd also like to see Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School, perhaps America's most beloved Catholic High School, winner of more HS Penn Relays than any other HS in America, kick former Mayor Rudolph Guiliani off its esteemed alumni rolls, for his defense of such a mushugganah!
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The attempt to sanitize Trump's invitation to taking the law into your own hand by claiming that he is talking about gun-owners voting, doesn't wash. If you read the remark, he says that if she is elected, she will pick liberal judges and you, his audience, won't be able to do anything about it. Then, he says that the Second Amendment people, that is, gun owners may be able to do something about it. Clearly, that's not about voting, since Clinton can't be choose judges unless she is elected. The invitation to action comes after she is elected, and voting with guns is not in the Constitution.
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Mr. Trump,
I am a Second Amendment Person," as are all citizens of this country. The majority of the country supports background checks.
Your remarks and the audience reaction demonstrates how out of touch you and your fans are with the majority of the country.
Please stop saying Secretary Clinton will take away citizens' guns. She clearly said she supported the Second Amendment at her convention, if you were listening. Untruths do now help this country.
I am a Second Amendment Person," as are all citizens of this country. The majority of the country supports background checks.
Your remarks and the audience reaction demonstrates how out of touch you and your fans are with the majority of the country.
Please stop saying Secretary Clinton will take away citizens' guns. She clearly said she supported the Second Amendment at her convention, if you were listening. Untruths do now help this country.
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Lol, she says a lot, but how much weight does it carry? If she told you she walks on her hands when swimming in the Potomac River, would you believe that? She supports UN Agenda 21, too. She believes in giving the world more power over our infrastructure through the UN, and open borders. Look up the UN statue. Look up the "UN Small Arms treaty" she supports. If youncan figure all that out and still support her, try living in a Cartel Controlled Mexican city for a year.
Why is everybody so shocked? Don't you remember Sharron Angle and her "Second Amendment Remedies"? This stew has been brewing under the surface since it became - let's say "impractical" - to bring your AR-15 to campaign events in order to scare the Bejesus out of your - mostly left-leaning - opponents. No, let me rephrase that: it's "enemies" these days!
I've been expecting a full flung second civil war in the U.S. for several years now. I'm very curious what will happen after the election. If Trump wins the U.S. will be taken over by the right wing nut jobs because they feel that this is their day, their time, their chance to get even with all their "enemies". If Clinton wins the same guys are going to feel betrayed ("...the election is rigged..." is already their meme) and will try to "take their country back".
The only way to prevent serious bloodshed is to declare martial law the day after the election and prohibit all weapons outside the house. Anybody violating this will be shot in the head on sight by SWAT and SEAL teams roaming the streets. After three month the violent criminal elements in the U.S. will have been eradicated (no more than 1-2 million dead, believe me) and the country can return to the usual civil discourse it had for 240+ years.
After the execution of the ringleaders, of course, live on TV. And you don't need three attempts to guess which guy would get the front row in the line to the firing squad if I had anything to say about it...
I've been expecting a full flung second civil war in the U.S. for several years now. I'm very curious what will happen after the election. If Trump wins the U.S. will be taken over by the right wing nut jobs because they feel that this is their day, their time, their chance to get even with all their "enemies". If Clinton wins the same guys are going to feel betrayed ("...the election is rigged..." is already their meme) and will try to "take their country back".
The only way to prevent serious bloodshed is to declare martial law the day after the election and prohibit all weapons outside the house. Anybody violating this will be shot in the head on sight by SWAT and SEAL teams roaming the streets. After three month the violent criminal elements in the U.S. will have been eradicated (no more than 1-2 million dead, believe me) and the country can return to the usual civil discourse it had for 240+ years.
After the execution of the ringleaders, of course, live on TV. And you don't need three attempts to guess which guy would get the front row in the line to the firing squad if I had anything to say about it...
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Obama is trying hard to make that happen. Look at the Federal take-over of Local Precints. Lookk at the steadily elevating level of violence in urban areas, and imagine some event that sets off widespread riots just before election day. Martial Law means no election, and Obama becomes the first president to continue holding his office past two terms.
Buzz Windrip lives.
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Its long past time that other stop expecting, as one person commented, "people to wake up an recognize the hatred."
Time to face the facts: His supporters recognize AND support that hatred. Time for the rest of us to 'wake up'.
Time to face the facts: His supporters recognize AND support that hatred. Time for the rest of us to 'wake up'.
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The one thing I can say to that is "watch Hillary's America", get a true understanding of the history of the Democratic Party, think about her and Bill, and where they are from, and what ties they have that elevated them to their current status. Take the emotion out of the equation, and it should all come clear!
I believe it is the last line of Trump comment that makes it dangerous, when he says "...I don't know". People needs to emphasize that line. When he says he does't know he is really saying, I don't know; do whatever you need to do to make sure she does not get elected, and because of he is saying talking about second amendment he is talking about assassination of Hillary Clinton. He is clearly not talking about voting, if he did he would not have said "..I don't know".
If news media and everyone emphasize that line and ask Trump what he meant by saying "I don't know" the truth will come out. He will either have to say, yes he was talking about assassination of Hillary Clinton, or he is ignorant because he simply does not know. Either way that would disqualify him to be president.
If news media and everyone emphasize that line and ask Trump what he meant by saying "I don't know" the truth will come out. He will either have to say, yes he was talking about assassination of Hillary Clinton, or he is ignorant because he simply does not know. Either way that would disqualify him to be president.
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He's just committed a felony:
18 U.S.C. § 879(a): Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm upon - … (3) a major candidate for the office of President or Vice President, or a member of the immediate family of such candidate; … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
18 U.S.C. § 879(a): Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm upon - … (3) a major candidate for the office of President or Vice President, or a member of the immediate family of such candidate; … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
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Have we finally lost our minds?
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All I have to say is THIS second amendment person is voting for Hillary: We agree on much, and disagree on little. Trump has shown himself a danger to the fabric of our nation, but even if he were within the norm I'd never vote for him or any of the alternate (reality) republicans.
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He's sure living up to his name. No matter how politically destructive Hillary acts, he always trumps it. No matter how long the leash is, he's going to pull on it.
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I know. I think every time Hillary drops, he comes out with something stupid. Either the media is "Trumping up" everything he does to make him look worse, or he has Hijacked a political revolution with the intent of crashing it at the most critical point in American History since the Civil War!
We are all Americans first and foremost. Furthermore, elected officials like Speaker Ryan serve the American people. And their duty is to us, the general citizenry.
Donald Trump is not fit for office. To support a man, who is clearly not fit for office, just because of party affiliation, is a betrayal of the GOP elected officials moral and legal duty to America.
At this stage, Paul Ryan and the entire GOP leadership team own this hot mess. And they will be remembered with infamy if they fail to live up to their duty....to remove an individual with no respect for America from the GOP ticket.
Donald Trump is not fit for office. To support a man, who is clearly not fit for office, just because of party affiliation, is a betrayal of the GOP elected officials moral and legal duty to America.
At this stage, Paul Ryan and the entire GOP leadership team own this hot mess. And they will be remembered with infamy if they fail to live up to their duty....to remove an individual with no respect for America from the GOP ticket.
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Many people believe Trump was not joking when he said this.
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In addition to, quite possibly, calling for violence in his rally diatribe, Mr. Trump reveals yet again his ignorance of the governing document of the United States. Perhaps he should read Article Five (I won't burden him with the Roman numeral) of the United States Constitution.
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On November 9, after having ruled the air waves and American attention for almost two years, it is going to be very difficult for that egomaniac to accept ignominy. He's going to be a danger to our democracy for a very long time.
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Do Trump, his Second Amendment minions and the NRA comprehend that in an armed stand-off with the US military their AK-47s have absolutely no chance against an F-22 Raptor? The whole argument of a "the right to bear arms" is based on 18th century mores and is patently ludicrous by contemporary standards, yet the media and much of the public continue to buy into it. Makes my head want to explode.
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Great minds discuss ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people
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Eleanor Roosevelt
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people
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Eleanor Roosevelt
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Now we catch virtual Pokémon...Gotta catch 'em all!
My father loved that quote. He would repeat it at the dinner table and expect us to use that as the guide for our conversation.
It would seem urgently appropriate that the Secret Service do more than just say they are aware of Trump's "second amendment" remarks.
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According to CNN at about 2:45pm ET
"Secret Service Has A Talk With The Trump Campaign..."
http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2016/08/secret-service-has-now-talked-trump
"Secret Service Has A Talk With The Trump Campaign..."
http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2016/08/secret-service-has-now-talked-trump
Please, it is time to ignore Trump's comments, it is obvious he will continue to say outrageous comments to get attention. You have to use the same approach a kindergarten teaches uses when a young child comes up with similar comments. After all, Trump has the emotional IQ equivalent of a child. After he gets attention, his resolve strengthens, comments get bolder.
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OK, "we have a duty to remain objective" American press: how about taking a baby step toward getting on the right side of this? I suggest no more photos or videos of this person. Just print and audio. I'm begging you.
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What makes it so pathetic is that Mr. Trump is not a funny person. He doesn't tell jokes. He doesn't kid around. He takes himself so very seriously it's ridiculous. He doesn't even try to be funny. That's not his style. So the constant excuses that "I was only kidding", or, as Paul Ryan put it, this was a "joke gone bad", don't fit. Why don't people see that???
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The shouts "Lock her up" have been repeated many times by Sanders and Stein supporters in protests because we genuinely believe Clinton is a criminal, just her massive cheating in the primary process through voter suppression and voter fraud. This is not a "threat"; it is a demand for justice. Many progressives justifiably hate Hillary for making a mockery of our democracy, but our goal is to defeat her politically. If she wins in November, that goal will involve making sure her hands are tied and she gets nothing accomplished as president. Her words will never be "the most important words spoken in the world."
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I'd like to suggest that you read Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia," before you go any further with the sort of pompous nonsense, which quite literally leaves you every bit as bad as Donald Trump.
Otherwise, one of two unpleasant things will happen: you'll end up with actual power, like the phony leftist airheads who've been running Venezuela into the ground, or you'll end up as one of FOX's commentors, dragged on stage to rant about how you used to be a commie and Hated America before you read "The Fountainhead," and saw the light.
Otherwise, one of two unpleasant things will happen: you'll end up with actual power, like the phony leftist airheads who've been running Venezuela into the ground, or you'll end up as one of FOX's commentors, dragged on stage to rant about how you used to be a commie and Hated America before you read "The Fountainhead," and saw the light.
It would be easier to take you seriously if your anger were not so misplaced.
1) It was *some* in the DNC, dear, that had an unseemly preference for Mrs Clinton over Mr Sanders; Mrs Clinton does not run the DNC (though I do question her subsequent hiring of DWS);
2) No one's vote in the Primaries was suppressed, and Mr Sanders acknowledges that Mrs Clinton prevailed by over 3M votes;
3) Just because you believe the tired rhetoric of criminality of HRC, does not make it so.
My hope for you in the future is an ability to use information and knowledge over blind passion in choosing a representative of government.
1) It was *some* in the DNC, dear, that had an unseemly preference for Mrs Clinton over Mr Sanders; Mrs Clinton does not run the DNC (though I do question her subsequent hiring of DWS);
2) No one's vote in the Primaries was suppressed, and Mr Sanders acknowledges that Mrs Clinton prevailed by over 3M votes;
3) Just because you believe the tired rhetoric of criminality of HRC, does not make it so.
My hope for you in the future is an ability to use information and knowledge over blind passion in choosing a representative of government.
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In 2008, Hillary made the comment to the effect she wasn't dropping out the race against Obama because he might be assassinated, and even mentioned Bobby Kennedy! That was x10 worse.
http://nypost.com/2008/05/24/hills-assassin-talk-a-shocker/
http://nypost.com/2008/05/24/hills-assassin-talk-a-shocker/
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This wholesale exaggeration by media and of Trump's remark confirms two things: 1. media is more openly bias against this candidate than I have ever seen 2. Donald Trump is his own worst enemy. He has yet to figure out what he says will always be construed against him.
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"Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump" Trump wants people to believe just the President can abolish a Constitutional right. That is completely false. The President does not even have a role in amending the Constitution or any of it's Amendments.
Both Houses of Congress, by a 2/3rds majority in each House and at least 38, 3/4th of the States, must approve an Amendment to the Constitution.
Both Houses of Congress, by a 2/3rds majority in each House and at least 38, 3/4th of the States, must approve an Amendment to the Constitution.
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How many times has he said “people said I shouldn’t say this” and then say what he shouldn’t say. Or “I’m not going to say” or “I’m not saying” and then say it. He’s like a twelve year old who thinks he’s cleverly outwitting adults, so invested in his scam that he’s outraged if you question it. Caught in the same situation at that age I would lay down my trump card (sorry) and rage, “Mom, don’t you trust me!?”. She would smile and say, “of course not, dear”.
Everybody, including his defenders, know he was hinting at violence. Unfortunately, he’s not an incorrigible adolescent with a mom that knows the truth and a dad in denial. He is however a spoiled man child who’s been handed the power of a major party nomination. He’s found the gun in the shoebox hidden in Dad’s closet and he’s sitting on the edge of the bed fantasizing about the possibilities.
Everybody, including his defenders, know he was hinting at violence. Unfortunately, he’s not an incorrigible adolescent with a mom that knows the truth and a dad in denial. He is however a spoiled man child who’s been handed the power of a major party nomination. He’s found the gun in the shoebox hidden in Dad’s closet and he’s sitting on the edge of the bed fantasizing about the possibilities.
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After reading the many many comments here today explaining or excusing or agreeing with Trump, I feel I have looked at the face of the enemy and finally accepted that it is us. We have just been in denial about it since the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building by Timothy McVeigh.
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Given the sensitivity and unprecedented nature of this situation, it occurs to me that the Times editorial team probably put more thought into this article's headline than Trump has given to all public policy issues combined.
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Lack of impulse control has long been recognized as an early sign of dementia. Here is a scholarly quote (picked from a plethora of like articles) that ought to get Republicans to sit up and take notice:
"Initial symptoms of bvFTD include changes in personality,
impaired social interaction, disinhibition, deficits in impulse control
and loss of insight (Hodges and Miller, 2001). "
(Bozeat et al., 2000).
The BVFTD cited is "Behavioral Variant Frontal Temporal Dementia".
"Initial symptoms of bvFTD include changes in personality,
impaired social interaction, disinhibition, deficits in impulse control
and loss of insight (Hodges and Miller, 2001). "
(Bozeat et al., 2000).
The BVFTD cited is "Behavioral Variant Frontal Temporal Dementia".
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I used to think that if Ms Clinton wins, we will have to suffer through 4 -8 years of impeachment nonsense instigated by the GOP. Now I am afraid that we will also have to endure the 2nd Amendment People's Militia.
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When Clinton gets elected - along with a Democratic senate and possibly congress - there will be no impeachment.
To the non-rabid-Hillary supporter and any other reasonably intelligent human being, Mr. Trump's comment was a clear recognition of the political influence of the NRA and wide-spread bi-partisan support for the Second Amendment. There was not threat uttered, except in the distorted minds of the Trump-haters. The false narrative being spun by the Clinton campaign and its lame-stream media sycophants underscores the pro-Hillary bias, incompetence and overall lack of professionalism in the U.S. media. Trump's candor and lack of political experience un-nerves the establishment; we can live with that. But, supporting the self-serving, lying, corrupt, criminal career politician, Hillary Clinton, for president reveals a total lack of self-respect and intellect; it is pathetic.
The ballot is more powerful than the bullet, or the lie.
Take back our country in November.
VOTE.
Take back our country in November.
VOTE.
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When I will read the comment, my impression was that Trump was speaking to the political power of the NRA and those for whom unconditional support of the Second Amendment is their primary political concern. I did not get the impression that Trump was suggesting that someone physically attack Clinton.
Look, I get it that Trump again and again has made comments that are dangerously stupid, often intentionally, and then has tried to put a different spin on what he said.
But this time, because of his past transgressions, I think people are reading too much into what he said.
Look, I get it that Trump again and again has made comments that are dangerously stupid, often intentionally, and then has tried to put a different spin on what he said.
But this time, because of his past transgressions, I think people are reading too much into what he said.
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Which part of this is being misinterpreted?
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Despite her obvious Stalinist tendencies, we do have a Constitution, a Congress, and a Supreme Court and millions of gun owners and that's not going to change anytime soon--even with a DNC Politburo-packed Court.
What's important to see here, though, is that between the two them, they have pretty much blown up the system: She with her quasi-criminal past--all documented, even with the FBI, and he with all his "extreme" attacks on the corruption in Washington and the GOP Politburo establishment, his own party.
So the American people are left with a neither choice. Seems with either, the polis will have to endure another four years, much like the last sixteen, so sad for a land that once had such seemingly unlimited possibilities in human resources and political freedom. Now burdened with so much financial debt and political deceit, can it survive? Stay tuned.
What's important to see here, though, is that between the two them, they have pretty much blown up the system: She with her quasi-criminal past--all documented, even with the FBI, and he with all his "extreme" attacks on the corruption in Washington and the GOP Politburo establishment, his own party.
So the American people are left with a neither choice. Seems with either, the polis will have to endure another four years, much like the last sixteen, so sad for a land that once had such seemingly unlimited possibilities in human resources and political freedom. Now burdened with so much financial debt and political deceit, can it survive? Stay tuned.
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Ever happen to notice what it said on Woody Guthrie's guitar?
What exactly are Hillary Clinton's Stalinist tendencies?
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All anybody does is complain. No action taken. Just try threatening Hillary Clinton -- if you aren't Donald Trump. What gives? He's not elected president yet but he has all this power.
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"Something wicked this way comes...."
Trump is no longer running for President.
He's just been elected Boogey Man.
Trump is no longer running for President.
He's just been elected Boogey Man.
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Even if this veiled threat were a joke, which we all know it was not, if this man had an ounce of integrity he'd apologize for it. He knows exactly what he is doing, he's been stoking these embers for awhile. He should not be running for any public office, let alone our nations Presidency. This is beyond absurd, it's irresponsible and dangerous.
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To the GOP leaders: how low can you go?
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It's time for the republicans to consider a Supreme Court nominee who has already been proposed. Pick the Devil you know as a Supreme Court justice because the Devil that you have nominated for president is not fit for the role
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Friedman had it correctly. "He is a disgusting human being." Case closed.
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So I saw Trump's poodle - Giuliani - on TV trying damage control this morning. He appeared as wild eyed and unhinged as Trump. What is going on here? You follow Trump and suddenly become as loony as him?
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A true color of Donald Trump is firmly surfaced and it is what it is. He is a racist and the leader of racists. Donald Trump questioned in 2008 at that time a president candidate Obama for his birth certificate, not his inexperience in politics (after 2 years in the Senate) like others would question. Donald Trump is not a voice of his supporters. He is one of them. He has been building his base for at least for 8 years. This presidential election is not about the economy. It is about restoring white power and the society of and for white people. Donald Trump is a socially destabilizing force because there are Democrats who also exercise Second Amendment. What are you insinuating Donald Trump? A civil war? That is why it is so unacceptable to let it go as a Floridian slip. Donald Trump needs to be forced to step down (internally by the party) or Democrats have to win a big margin to restate who we are as Americans.
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Everyone knowledgeable about politics in the US knows that the NRA, a many millions strong, our only truly common person citizens' lobby has immense power to defeat any politician, and that Trump calling one them to defeat his opponents is an obvious/logical tactic to use regarding any issue. Its also painfully obvious that while the NY Times gleefully spun his mention of the 2nd amendment into some devil inspired call for violence, the editors continually ignore the genocidal insults of Hispanics screaming "don't have any babies" to white citizens, waving Mexican flags and yelling the call to arms treason that they are going to reconquer the USA. Not idle threats or a joke considering the 10 times higher murder rate in Latin America and the murderous rampages of drug lords just across the border.Then there is the continual incitement to riot, loot and arson commited by the media in collusion with our supposed black civil rights movement and the democratic party to turn every shooting of usually a black criminal by police into a national media sensationalized "conversation about race". How many people have these media incitments to riot killed? How many neighborhoods have they burned to the ground made any businesses terrified to set up again in and so denied 100's of thousands of minority people jobs. Then why is the NY Times not concerned about the fear&violence inspired by its branding so many Americans racists, xenophobes etc for disagreeing with this paper's positions?
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This guy should be put away for life.
I cannot believe that in this "post modern" world, a man who wants to be leader of the most powerful country in the free world, can even think these thoughts, let alone utter them.
With all the checks and balances that we have in our governing systems, after the shock of such a lowlife even making it this far, is there NOTHING we can do now?
We, the people, must not only stop this Maniac from getting any further in this crazy political process, but find a way to punitively deal with his damage causing, dangerous criminal behaviour. He, more than ISIS or Al Qaeda combined is the biggest REAL threat to our country's democracy and core value system right now.
I cannot believe that in this "post modern" world, a man who wants to be leader of the most powerful country in the free world, can even think these thoughts, let alone utter them.
With all the checks and balances that we have in our governing systems, after the shock of such a lowlife even making it this far, is there NOTHING we can do now?
We, the people, must not only stop this Maniac from getting any further in this crazy political process, but find a way to punitively deal with his damage causing, dangerous criminal behaviour. He, more than ISIS or Al Qaeda combined is the biggest REAL threat to our country's democracy and core value system right now.
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Today is my mother's 87th birthday.
For reasons still not clear to me she has never voted in an election.
After having read this article to her she has asked that today we take her to get registered to vote so that she might do something to insure that "that crazy man" never gets elected to office.
The car sits in the driveway warming up as I write this.
For reasons still not clear to me she has never voted in an election.
After having read this article to her she has asked that today we take her to get registered to vote so that she might do something to insure that "that crazy man" never gets elected to office.
The car sits in the driveway warming up as I write this.
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Trump's campaign is going down in flames and it seems like he's trying to put out the fire with gasoline.
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Lest we (conveniently) forget, in a NYT article dated May 24, 2008: Hillary suggested Obama was an assassination target:
"Concerns about Mr. Obama’s safety led the Secret Service to give him protection last May, before it was afforded to any other presidential candidate, although Mrs. Clinton had protection, too, in her capacity as a former first lady. Mr. Obama’s wife, Michelle, voiced concerns about his safety before he was elected to the Senate, and some black voters have even said such fears weighed on their decision of whether to vote for him.
It was against that backdrop that Mrs. Clinton’s mentioning the Kennedy assassination in the same breath as her own political fate struck some as going too far. Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, an uncommitted superdelegate, said through a spokeswoman that the comments were “beyond the pale.”"
So for all those claiming Trump cannot go on, consider what Hillary said eight years ago. Not to mention her latest "pay to play" uncovered emails linking political favors to the State Department, let alone putting the nation's security at risk on her own unsecured server. Hillary is the one who should be disqualified.
"Concerns about Mr. Obama’s safety led the Secret Service to give him protection last May, before it was afforded to any other presidential candidate, although Mrs. Clinton had protection, too, in her capacity as a former first lady. Mr. Obama’s wife, Michelle, voiced concerns about his safety before he was elected to the Senate, and some black voters have even said such fears weighed on their decision of whether to vote for him.
It was against that backdrop that Mrs. Clinton’s mentioning the Kennedy assassination in the same breath as her own political fate struck some as going too far. Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, an uncommitted superdelegate, said through a spokeswoman that the comments were “beyond the pale.”"
So for all those claiming Trump cannot go on, consider what Hillary said eight years ago. Not to mention her latest "pay to play" uncovered emails linking political favors to the State Department, let alone putting the nation's security at risk on her own unsecured server. Hillary is the one who should be disqualified.
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And this man will soon be getting national intelligence briefings from the highest levels of our federal government? I wonder how long it will be before he blurts out sensitive top secret information?
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I am not a fan of Donald Trump , however, this treatment is unfair. He was not leveling a threat at Ms. Clinton, but rather, in very layman's terms laying out his constituent's position on the Second Amendment. That is a position that of the Anti-Federalist papers. The founding fathers mistrusted standing armies (our police in fact look like armies now, no?), and therefore believed that the constitution needed to provide check on an oppressive government by allowing citizens to own guns. The Supreme Court changed that position holding that the right was a group right, through a militia, like the national guard, thereby allowing government the right to control some guns. In Heller v. District of Columbia, Justice Scalia took the country a large step back toward the Anti Federalist position by declaring the right to be an individual right. No one wants to talk about violent revolution-it's a last resort. I believe that is what he meant by "that would be a horrible day." We do, however, need to open our eyes that possibility. Donald Trump, like it or not, overthrew the Republican Party in a (largely) non-violent manner, fair and square. Sanders almost did the same to the Democrats. There are a lot of people out there who believe that Washington is run for the rich, by the rich and of the rich. I am one of them-though I do not own a gun (and probably never will). Have no doubt, regardless of the success of Trump, this sentiment is real and deeply rooted.
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The Anti-Federalists lost when the Constitution was ratified. They lost again during the Civil War. They will again be outvoted when Mrs. Clinton wins this election. They are have never been, are not now, and will never be the majority in this country. In fact, as the 2012 GOP post-mortem points out, this election is likely to be their last stand. You could try secession again. Maybe this time we'll just let you go. I'd sure like to close the door behind you.
It is nice to see all the Trumpoons and Gunhumpers denying that killing Hillary was what he meant. Unfortunately it only takes one or two less tightly wrapped members of their tribe hearing it the wrong way and deciding to give it a try. As we have seen all too often, responsible gun owners do a very bad job of restraining their fellow owners from killing.
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The original headline mentioning "gun owners" is total fabrication and clearly an intentional lie. Trump never mentioned gun owners. Second amendment people aren't necessarily gun owners. They are the much larger group of people who support our constitutional rights. BTW this type of misinformation is what Trump means when he says the election is fixed. The appalling bias and bad faith "journalism" in the main stream media clearly tilts the playing field.
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The history of the nation is already dark enough by having several presidents and equality movement leader got assasinated. We should not make it darker by having a0 president or even a candidate who will lead the country into another darkness.
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During the 2011 Republican campaign, Republican TV ads depicted cross hairs to zero in on their political targets. Then came the massacre at Gabby Gifford's political rally in Tuscon during which 18 were shot by mentally ill Jared Loughner, including the intended target Gabby Giffords who barely survived with permanent brain damage. Six others died. In March 2010, Giffords had expressed concern about the use of crosshairs on a national midterm election map on Sarah Palin's campaign webpage denoting targeted congressional seats, including Giffords's, in Arizona's 8th district.
The Repubicans didn't drop the ad until after the massacre. When are they going to drop Trump?
The Repubicans didn't drop the ad until after the massacre. When are they going to drop Trump?
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Donald Trump needs a new address -- but he has only himself to blame for making Trump Tower tacky. I would certainly not wish to see him installed at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Rather, what I have in mind for him is the Federal maximum security facility at Florence, Colorado.
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Ted Strickland (D), the former Ohio governor running for Senate in the state - Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's death "happened at a good time."
"A lot of average citizens out there don’t understand the importance of that court. I mean, the death of Scalia saved labor from a terrible decision," Strickland said on Monday. "And I don’t wish anyone ill, but it happened at a good time, because once that decision had been made, it would have been tough to reverse it.”
"A lot of average citizens out there don’t understand the importance of that court. I mean, the death of Scalia saved labor from a terrible decision," Strickland said on Monday. "And I don’t wish anyone ill, but it happened at a good time, because once that decision had been made, it would have been tough to reverse it.”
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The response from the Trump campaign makes no sense. Donald should be interrogated by the Secret Service.
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Well, seems that this guy follows the principle of "how should I know what I think before I hear what I say". From an outside point of view it is unbelievable that even a very minor portion of voters in the U.S. publicly support this presumably mentally impaired narcissist. If he tried to make a joke, it was a terrible try. But given his record of below the belt stupid comments, I fear we must realize that he was earnest with this "suggestion".
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What Trump wanted to convey:
a. vote for me or face 15 million guns
b. that he embraces "the ends justify the means"
c. his "campaign" is floundering
a. vote for me or face 15 million guns
b. that he embraces "the ends justify the means"
c. his "campaign" is floundering
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Trump is not a joke, or a tragedy. The fact that an individual with the emotional maturity of an adolescent can garner any votes at all speaks poorly of America, and is frightening...
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" I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot and kill somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." -Donald J Trump
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I am a staunch HRC supporter and I think Trump's comment here is being blown out of proportion.
To me, it was a light-hearted jab at the NRA and the gun lobby. Insinuating that even if Hillary appoints a liberal judge to the SCOTUS, the gun lobby will find a way to prevent further regulation. In the context of the speech, this interpretation makes more sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't spawn as many pageviews.
To me, it was a light-hearted jab at the NRA and the gun lobby. Insinuating that even if Hillary appoints a liberal judge to the SCOTUS, the gun lobby will find a way to prevent further regulation. In the context of the speech, this interpretation makes more sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't spawn as many pageviews.
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I'd really like to agree with you -- but it is clear that (1) his real-time audience read it just the way we alarmists did, and (2) we have many many many new commenters here trying to spin it as either a light-hearted jab or a call for political activism or much less than something/anything HRC did, and rely on cutting and pasting talking points from right-wing blogs to do so.
Along the Trump campaign stops we've all witnessed aggravated assaults committed by his supporters against dissenters and a reporter. Trump has never discouraged the very acts that he incited by using divisive hate speech and lies. The bar was then lowered at the RNC with chants of "lock her up" and Al Baldasaro proclaiming that Mrs. Clinton should be executed by firing squad. Now this. Every single Republican member of Congress and the Senate who does not speak out in denunciation needs to be voted out of office. Wisconson is the best place start with Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan is complicit and Paul Ryan is a disgrace. Paul Ryan is 3rd person in line for the Presidency. Maybe this is why he thinks Trump's threat against Mrs. Clinton is a joke.
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I think it is time for all who are advocating violence or the killing of a potential American president to face criminal consequences.
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Dummy J. Trump probably doesn't know that a Supreme Court candidate must be ratified by the Senate.
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How much longer do we have to listen to this dangerous, deranged little man?
We need no further evidence of this man's utter contempt for decency and singular lack of qualification for public office at any level, let alone the Presidency.
It is time to clearly tell Mr. Trump to suspend his campaign. This is a job that ought to fall to whatever honorable Republicans and conservatives remain and to the editorial page editors.
We need no further evidence of this man's utter contempt for decency and singular lack of qualification for public office at any level, let alone the Presidency.
It is time to clearly tell Mr. Trump to suspend his campaign. This is a job that ought to fall to whatever honorable Republicans and conservatives remain and to the editorial page editors.
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There is no evidence at all than Hillary Clinton is about to change the 2nd amendment. None. There are no judges advocating ignoring the 2nd amendment that I am aware of who could become Supreme court appointees. Changing the 2nd amendment would require a change to the Constitution, something the president can't do. (Congress can.)
Trump's call for assassination, whether in jest or seriously, to protect the 2nd amendment, seems to be gratuitous--since the 2nd amendment does not appear to need protecting.
Threatening the life of another, followed by a "just kidding" does not make the threat go away--nor does it mean someone will not act on the threat--as proven by attacks on doctors who perform legal abortions by "deranged" assassins encouraged by the loose talk "not to be taken seriously" of the anti-women's rights movement (aka "pro-life").
The single most powerful tool a president has is his or her ability to communicate to the country and the world. Using this power for amusement by threatening bullet based democracy over ballot based democracy is a clear abuse of presidential power. We should elect presidents from among candidates who understand the requirement to use their power wisely.
Trump's call for assassination, whether in jest or seriously, to protect the 2nd amendment, seems to be gratuitous--since the 2nd amendment does not appear to need protecting.
Threatening the life of another, followed by a "just kidding" does not make the threat go away--nor does it mean someone will not act on the threat--as proven by attacks on doctors who perform legal abortions by "deranged" assassins encouraged by the loose talk "not to be taken seriously" of the anti-women's rights movement (aka "pro-life").
The single most powerful tool a president has is his or her ability to communicate to the country and the world. Using this power for amusement by threatening bullet based democracy over ballot based democracy is a clear abuse of presidential power. We should elect presidents from among candidates who understand the requirement to use their power wisely.
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Stereotypes exist for a reason. The clown prince of New York descends upon the masses across the Hudson, and it takes them a generation to catch on. Fortunately for the planet, if Donald is elected, we'll all be gone before they do.
Again and again Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here and Philip Roth's The Plot Against America come to mind. It can happen here, it has happened here if we mean having a candidate who doesn't understand any of the issues or even the roots of the anger of his base, who stokes that anger and nothing else, whose innuendo regarding violence plays a prominent role in his campaign. But the worst won't happen here because Trump is losing control more and more each day, because Hillary Clinton is sane and intelligent, which the public finally seems to understand.
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to quote a great philosopher, it aint over 'till its over
You people, that's right, I said you people, are such instigators. Hillary is so crooked, she can't even stand up straight anymore, and you can't handle Donald's sense of humor twisting it into something that is a lie that your sick, evil minds want to connive . You all think you are the "stand up for all that is good" people when you are the reason the country is disintegrating. The government is corrupt and you want to install the queen of corrupt into the most powerful position in the world because you listen to a lying thief and traitor. Your brainwashed minds are the reason we are on the eve of destruction.
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One solid (i.e. with evidence) example of her corruption. One. If you haven't got it, we aren't the brainwashed ones.
The siege mentality you exhibit is exactly what Trump is trying to instill. I see it has worked.
“Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” Trump quote
The "second amendment people" do not advocate,support or back assassination but they do vote their beliefs in their right to bear arms.
Only the extremely biased anti-Trump media read only a call for assassination into a pointed reminder to gun owners to vote your belief.
The "second amendment people" do not advocate,support or back assassination but they do vote their beliefs in their right to bear arms.
Only the extremely biased anti-Trump media read only a call for assassination into a pointed reminder to gun owners to vote your belief.
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Your right to bear arms ends where my rights to safety begin.
Right Patrick. No one watching this on their own would ever come to the conclusion without being led their by a biased media. Including the people who heard it first hand in the audience and reacted. Media members all I guess.
If you read the transcript of his remarks (and not just these), it's clear that Mr. Trump is incapable of speaking complete sentences in standard English. Who knows what he's really thinking or saying? If nothing else, he's consistently incoherent, which leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Is this another example of "the art of the deal" or just plain gibberish?
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I read the whole transcript, and he is not only incapable of complete sentences, he is incapable of rational thought. It was painful to read and I can't fathom why people haven't found it excruciating to sit through.
I will bet the farm that his reluctance to release his taxes has nothing to do with Russian debt or the lack of charitable donations or financial skullduggery. I bet it has everything to do with the fact that it will show that the net worth of the Clintons is greater than that of the Trumps. He'd have to admit that she's better at business than he is.
I will bet the farm that his reluctance to release his taxes has nothing to do with Russian debt or the lack of charitable donations or financial skullduggery. I bet it has everything to do with the fact that it will show that the net worth of the Clintons is greater than that of the Trumps. He'd have to admit that she's better at business than he is.
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th real headline is this
" not satisfied th nincompoop bush, america seeks a lower bottom, finding it in trump "
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His claim that he was joking is even worse than the obvious threat. He is always making stupid jokes, and most people do not get them. People in countries around the world especially do not get them. This trait alone makes him unfit. Republicans once talked incessantly about "gravitas." What happened?
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This is a totally phony scandal made up by the press. Hillary Clinton in 208 cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds. Some viewed that as calling for the assassination of Barack Obama
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Do all of you go to the same blog post to get your talking points? Same post, almost exactly the same wording, has turned up here maybe 50+ times today.
The second amendment isn't purely about GUNS, it's about protection FROM an out of sorts government, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
So, why is it crazy that a president would encourage people to secure a free state from a maniacal leader?
Not a Trump supporter, but am disappointed in the media coverage this cycle. It's very odd to see the choices journalists are making. Let's have some common sense?
So, why is it crazy that a president would encourage people to secure a free state from a maniacal leader?
Not a Trump supporter, but am disappointed in the media coverage this cycle. It's very odd to see the choices journalists are making. Let's have some common sense?
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A "maniacal leader" doesn't mean "the person I didn't vote for." No one believes Hilary Clinton is "maniacal."
So where is the well regulated militia? A bunch of dim witted Fox News watchers doesn't count.
The problem is that there is nothing maniacal about a President H. Clinton picking liberal judges/justices and there is no danger to a free state in her doing so. Common sense would be to acknowledge that.
The only thing Trump respects is power and his ability to wield it. Not those POWs who have served the country. Not gold star families. Not handicapped reporters. Not the Pope. Not the balance of power established by our founders. Not our NATO allies. The GOP is delusional to think he'll pivot and "act nice". His pathology feeds on the whoops and hollers of those who respond to his dog whistle. He's an abomination.
The greater good that may come out of this nightmare is the resounding rejection he'll be dealt come November.
The greater good that may come out of this nightmare is the resounding rejection he'll be dealt come November.
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What this is really about it is that the Trumpster in the Dumpster is the sort of person about whom the public would be naturally suspicious. From a person with a more reliable reputation, an apology would have followed and been accepted by many. Trump is (and, I believe, wants to be regarded as) a villainous character; he has to live with that. Apparently, so do we.
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Whenever Trump says "I don't know" he's really saying "I don't care."
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There have been many articles-- this being one of them-- that show DT is mentally unstable, ADD, sociopath, feeling less, unfit for the job, and no clue as to how he qualifies to be the President.
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Had anyone else said this, I might give them the benefit of the doubt. After all, it could mean that the Second Amendment fans could simply vote for him and not Clinton. But, in the case of Trump, his past statements and actions cause one to think that he meant more violent acts. He has simply engendered a lack of trust in his character.
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As someone who spends quite a bit of time in and out of classrooms working with elementary school kids, I've long felt that watching DJT is like watching a sadistic, provocative, spoiled third grade bully. Watching his apologists is like watching what anti bullying programs would call "bystanders", who range from those hooting with approval to those defending the bully to those doing nothing. The reality is that bullies of any age are poisonous and their toxic behavior has a way of permeating throughout a classroom, an office, an institution or a party. I have to congratulate the Republicans who have put aside their party preferences and without renouncing their principles have flatly declared what is patently obvious to most sane people, the man who has already done tremendous damage to our country's reputation and frankly to every level of our security, including including the ability of journalists to express their feelings, nonetheless private citizens, is completely unqualified not just for the presidency, but to hold the center of the stage. I can honestly say I would say the same if he was running as a Dem, which given his lack of intellectual rigor, loyalty and temperament, in a different era could have been the case.
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McCain and Romney graciously acknowledged defeat when they lost the election. I really can't imagine what Trump and his supporters would do when they lose.
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as did al gore
I am a Trump supporter, and I don't want to see what some may do. I have to say, if she plans to continue marching to the same tune as Obama, we will not even recognize the US within a few years. Look at the uprisings in cities all around this country. These are no accident. Three Chicago gangs have practically declared war on their policemen. I would much rather have Ben Carson than any of them, but apparenty the rest of America wanted to swing WAY out there and go for Trump. With Hillary running, he's what I got!
And don't overlook this:
"On Saturday, Mr. Trump praised his New Hampshire state co-chairman, State Representative Al Baldasaro, who said recently that Mrs. Clinton deserved to face a firing squad over the F.B.I.’s investigation of her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state."
Firing squad?
"On Saturday, Mr. Trump praised his New Hampshire state co-chairman, State Representative Al Baldasaro, who said recently that Mrs. Clinton deserved to face a firing squad over the F.B.I.’s investigation of her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state."
Firing squad?
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trump is bringing out th ugly in america
not that it needed much help
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I'd remind that it's not just Trump and the Trumpettes who've been running around loose, saying this sort of stuff.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/31/glenn-beck-suspended-for-brad-thors-comm
The prob is, more and more people on the Right have got comfortable with braying about Second Amendment remedies for every problem they can think of, and pushing the idea that all those guns are there for fighting back against anything resembling authority.
And the prob with THAT is, it's far too late to grab the old shootin' iron and stand bravely 'gainst King George. Good luck when the gunships come in.
What I wish folks would realize is that if we ever let things get that bad, we'd already have lost America. And judging by guys like Trump, you can forget about getting her back.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/31/glenn-beck-suspended-for-brad-thors-comm
The prob is, more and more people on the Right have got comfortable with braying about Second Amendment remedies for every problem they can think of, and pushing the idea that all those guns are there for fighting back against anything resembling authority.
And the prob with THAT is, it's far too late to grab the old shootin' iron and stand bravely 'gainst King George. Good luck when the gunships come in.
What I wish folks would realize is that if we ever let things get that bad, we'd already have lost America. And judging by guys like Trump, you can forget about getting her back.
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The Republican Party needs to stage an intervention.
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And yet, in states like Wyoming, Trump's chances of winning stands at 95.2%! It just shows how bigoted millions of Americans really are. And this is not Trump's doing, he just opened the blindfold for us to see. Trump is very much like social media. People have always been narcissistic, self-centered and full of themselves, but until the likes of Twitter, and Instagram and Facebook came along, that unattractive human trait was kept under wraps. Now we share selfies and post pictures of our breakfast and twit every stupid detail of our daily lives thinking it's oh so interesting. In the same way, it's now clear that many millions of americans have always been racists and bigots and backward thinking, only before Trump came along they kept it to themselves. Now with their bigot-in-chief, they feel they have a license to proudly express their nasty views out into the world. But hey, at least now we know. So thanks Donald!
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It is a good thing that Hillary isn't like "Him". If she said something similar, we'd have a the makings of Civil War II - ironically after the first black POTUS.
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@PAN
She did, when campaigning against Obama. I've tried several Times to point this out, but the Times would rather keep it under wraps... So much for the self-righteous Fourth Estate...
Politico – May 23, 2008
“Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.
"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. ‘ I don't understand it,’ Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit. [Clinton made the comment to the Argus Leader newspaper in Sioux Falls, S.D.]
Clinton made the statement after pointing out that her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June of 1992, trying to point out that, by past history, it's not late in the campaign. (See a clip of the interview here.)
But Barack Obama received Secret Service protection one year ago this month, the earliest ever in presidential history, after reports of threats.
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement: ‘Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.’”
She did, when campaigning against Obama. I've tried several Times to point this out, but the Times would rather keep it under wraps... So much for the self-righteous Fourth Estate...
Politico – May 23, 2008
“Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.
"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. ‘ I don't understand it,’ Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit. [Clinton made the comment to the Argus Leader newspaper in Sioux Falls, S.D.]
Clinton made the statement after pointing out that her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June of 1992, trying to point out that, by past history, it's not late in the campaign. (See a clip of the interview here.)
But Barack Obama received Secret Service protection one year ago this month, the earliest ever in presidential history, after reports of threats.
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement: ‘Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.’”
This is my fifth "last straw." How many more do I have to endure?
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The Republican Party is responsible for this; and, the Republican Party should be punished for putting this dangerous, unfit candidate on the ballot.
The American voters can force the Republican Party to change so that they NEVER nominate an unfit and dangerous candidate again. Simply vote against every single Republican this November.
The American voters can force the Republican Party to change so that they NEVER nominate an unfit and dangerous candidate again. Simply vote against every single Republican this November.
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So, Duncan Hunter defends Trump's remarks by saying that Trump is inarticulate. Wow. Does that mean that a President Trump would require a full-time interpreter to explain what Trump actually meant to say every times he opens his mouth? Sounds kinda Palinesque.
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A bonafide nut case heard the lies of David Deleiden on his anti-PP film about "baby parts" that got him indicted. GOP reps like Marsha Blackburn repeat to this day from a position of authority these same lies to no consequence.
Robert Dear then came from the other side of the country to Colorado and stewed for a while before he came to Colorado Springs and slaughtered a policeman, an Iraq War vet and a woman in the clinic. He wounded 9 others. He left 6 kids with a murdered parent.
Not a joke to stir the pot with lies.
Robert Dear then came from the other side of the country to Colorado and stewed for a while before he came to Colorado Springs and slaughtered a policeman, an Iraq War vet and a woman in the clinic. He wounded 9 others. He left 6 kids with a murdered parent.
Not a joke to stir the pot with lies.
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So many thoughtful people have commented already, so I am sure I have nothing to add other than the simple observation that Trump is getting thumped, is getting mad, and is now overtly threatening people, even if he is resorting to left handed comments to do so. Is this really what politics has become in our country? Sad to say, but yes! This is the way it is. The Republicans are trying to run away from this man like he was yesterday's garbage, but in the process, they keep running in to themselves. The gun crowd has ruined this nation with its allegiance to its mal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. Trump represents these people. They are undisciplined, under educated, and irrational for the most part, since Trump has provided the litmus test for that with his comment. Only the gun slingers think it is a joke. They're the joke.
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loathsome but not a crime
not credible nor specific
had he said, i want you to go to ... hrc
or i will ... hrc
then its a crime
he quite cleverly convoluted th words to avoid criminality
like any good crim would
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Earlier in the speech Trump said that the same "second amendment people" would have stopped the massacre in Orlando, referring to the shooting at the Pulse nightclub. Essentially Trump invoked the idea that those people who support the second amendment can take the law into their own hands. So later in his remarks about the same "second amendment people" who will take care of Hillary Clinton if she becomes President follows the exact same logical line. No other line of thinking is offered in this speech.
What bothers me about this kind of , though, is the violent misogyny actively encouraged and its effect on young women in this country. What happens in the psyches of women and girls when a woman who steps into the public sphere, to seek and wield power on the international and national stage, is hounded by death threats and a hangman's noose? They are cowed and intimidated into silence. Explain to me how this type of psychological terrorism against females is different from a noose hanging in the trees of one of our public universities? How many steps removed are we from Jim Crowe if this type of behavior is excused away with feeble and craven explanation.
Pathetic.
What bothers me about this kind of , though, is the violent misogyny actively encouraged and its effect on young women in this country. What happens in the psyches of women and girls when a woman who steps into the public sphere, to seek and wield power on the international and national stage, is hounded by death threats and a hangman's noose? They are cowed and intimidated into silence. Explain to me how this type of psychological terrorism against females is different from a noose hanging in the trees of one of our public universities? How many steps removed are we from Jim Crowe if this type of behavior is excused away with feeble and craven explanation.
Pathetic.
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jpsmitty14, as objectionable as Trump's rhetoric (whatever he actually meant by it) was, I don't think he was being misogynistic in saying it. I think he would have said the same thing if the Democrats had nominated a man instead.
RE: "What happens in the psyches of women and girls when a woman who steps into the public sphere, to seek and wield power on the international and national stage, is hounded by death threats and a hangman's noose?"
That is the answer the question I'd be happy to vote for a woman, but "why this woman"? Because it took a woman as strong as Hillary Clinton to survive that gauntlet of the misogyny you describe.
That is the answer the question I'd be happy to vote for a woman, but "why this woman"? Because it took a woman as strong as Hillary Clinton to survive that gauntlet of the misogyny you describe.
4537 comments published. What happened to mine?
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There are many people who support Trump who would be susceptible to this suggestion as evidenced by the things they say in the video posted by the NYTimes. Every time I think he can go no lower, he manages to plumb the depths further. He is a narcissistic bully, a would-be demogogue, who is already planting seeds to delegitimize Clinton as he realizes he will not win the election. He nonetheless carries on with his bluster and ignorance, way beyond the pale of accepted political discourse. An American Mussolini. The only thing worse than all of this is the GOP defending him rather than castigating him for this. The USA prides itself on being the exemplar of democracy in the world. Trump and his campaign are anathema to this ideal. He should be repudiated by all decent people including members of his party.
I just want him to keep talking and speaking his mind. I have no doubt that he digs the hole deeper every week, enabled by GOP apparachiks and office holders who are too craven to disavow his remarks lest they lose votes in other elections. I hope he is as soundly rejected as Goldwater was in the '60s.
I just want him to keep talking and speaking his mind. I have no doubt that he digs the hole deeper every week, enabled by GOP apparachiks and office holders who are too craven to disavow his remarks lest they lose votes in other elections. I hope he is as soundly rejected as Goldwater was in the '60s.
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I hope people begin to see Trump for who he really is. This is no joke. There's a management author named Marcus Buckingham who wrote: "People don't change, they just become more of who they are."
If anyone is still waiting for Trump to "pivot," evolve or grow up, it's not happening. And for those who like his arrogance mixed with ignorance, there's also a saying for you: Be careful what you ask for...you just may get it.
If anyone is still waiting for Trump to "pivot," evolve or grow up, it's not happening. And for those who like his arrogance mixed with ignorance, there's also a saying for you: Be careful what you ask for...you just may get it.
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Where are the members of the Republican Party that can put a stop to Trump? There must be a cintingent of republicans out there in leadership roles that recognize the joke Trump is making of the Republican Party. Do something, won't you?
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It is a long way to November. Donald Trump has said things equally bad (or worse) all along the way. There is great danger in relying on the cumulative-effect syndrome to end this candidacy. He has proven to be quite resilient no matter what he says. So, the only answer is to vote, and to talk to others about voting, and to tell people who you are voting for and why. I did not think I would be voting for Hilary Clinton in this election, but I will be. The decision was simple: Could I as an American, see my great country led by a man with Donald Trump's values? Could I endorse a long, painful march back from the rights and freedoms we proudly display to the rest of the world? Would I want to see America propelled by fear so great that it will paralyze and possibly destroy us? The answer is not to sit the election out. It is to stand up, go out, and vote so that we as Americans, and the rest of the world, can at least hope that we will never again allow hate speech to be the vernacular of a serious contender for the office of president.
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Did NYT publish an article back in 2008 when Hillary said "Robert Kennedy was assassinated" referring to why she wasn't dropping out.
Of course not!
Of course not!
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There's a big difference between pointing out that assassination is a possibility and suggesting that people should assassinate someone.
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Wink and Nod messaging, a terrifying joke? What's next, will Trump be whispering to his worshipers "Care to play a little solitaire?"
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Every remark Trump makes he later have to clarify what was said. He speaks in riddles. Imagine the buffoonery in the White House?
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How about this:
Politico – May 23, 2008
“Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.
"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. ‘ I don't understand it,’ Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit. [Clinton made the comment to the Argus Leader newspaper in Sioux Falls, S.D.]
Clinton made the statement after pointing out that her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June of 1992, trying to point out that, by past history, it's not late in the campaign. (See a clip of the interview here.)
But Barack Obama received Secret Service protection one year ago this month, the earliest ever in presidential history, after reports of threats.
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement: ‘Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.’”
Politico – May 23, 2008
“Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.
"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. ‘ I don't understand it,’ Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit. [Clinton made the comment to the Argus Leader newspaper in Sioux Falls, S.D.]
Clinton made the statement after pointing out that her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June of 1992, trying to point out that, by past history, it's not late in the campaign. (See a clip of the interview here.)
But Barack Obama received Secret Service protection one year ago this month, the earliest ever in presidential history, after reports of threats.
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement: ‘Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.’”
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And how is that analogous to Trump's not so subtle dog whistle?
Very hard to say what he meant with his statement. But at this point it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Why do people keep asserting that what he meant isn't clear? The fact that he followed it up with "that would be horrible" makes it plain that he was suggesting that someone shoot either his opponent or judges she would nominate to the Supreme Court. It ain't rocket surgery people. And it isn't a dream. Trump is deranged and the astonishing thing is that close to half of the people in this country still plan to vote for him as president.
Hard? Clear as day to me. Second amendment advocates might have to use their guns to prevent Hillary from seating a pro gun control justice. With Trump's blessing.
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It is becoming increasingly obvious, the only way for Trump to win the election is for Clinton to lose it.
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As much as I dislike Trump, I find it interesting that the Left is now doing the exact same thing the Right has been doing, and that is picking at every little thing and making it out to be some kind of egregious act. Remember when Obama was faulted for every little thing? Shaking hands with Castro, knowing that radical in Chicago, bowing to a prince, attending the services of a radical preacher. Need to be careful here - just think of how mad that stuff made you.
inciting violence against an opponent is "every little thing"?
what does Mr Warren consider significant ???
what does Mr Warren consider significant ???
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Here's his comments:
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Trump actively encourages violence during his rallies. There is no Democratic comparison. He gives a shout-out to 'the 2nd Amendment people' knowing he has the kind of audience which routinely shouts 'Kill her!' This is not a time for 'pooh-poohing'. Apparently, the Secret Service also agrees it is worth the time to look into.
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Mr. Trump just put lives in danger, not just Mrs. Clinton's but her Secret Service protectors and anyone close to her.
He should be arrested and when he opens his mouth to the judge spend a week in jail for contempt. Perhaps he might learn a little humility, an important trait in a leader.
He should be arrested and when he opens his mouth to the judge spend a week in jail for contempt. Perhaps he might learn a little humility, an important trait in a leader.
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- Paul Ryan: “like a joke gone bad.”
Pretty much sums up this entire Trump candidacy.
Pretty much sums up this entire Trump candidacy.
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Trump loves to insinuate to his base, and then vehemently deny it to the rest of us.
"blood out of her wherever"
"Although the Second Amendment people - maybe there is [something they could do] I don't know."
Yes, Trump you know exactly what they "could" do and you are dog-whistling to them. Trump is a despicable non-human being who does not take responsibility for what he says and says whatever he wants.
"blood out of her wherever"
"Although the Second Amendment people - maybe there is [something they could do] I don't know."
Yes, Trump you know exactly what they "could" do and you are dog-whistling to them. Trump is a despicable non-human being who does not take responsibility for what he says and says whatever he wants.
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This appalling person is a threat to our democracy.
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Amazed by the audacity of an ad that accuses Hillary for the hypocrisy of campaigning for gun reform, but enjoying the protection of armed guards.
Armed guards that she would be less reliant if there was some measure of gun control.
Armed guards she wouldn't need if he wasn't issuing mealy-mouthed threats to the 2ndA crowd.
Besides, don't those guards qualify as the 'good guys with guns' that the NRA and its apologists reference with monotonous regularity?
Armed guards that she would be less reliant if there was some measure of gun control.
Armed guards she wouldn't need if he wasn't issuing mealy-mouthed threats to the 2ndA crowd.
Besides, don't those guards qualify as the 'good guys with guns' that the NRA and its apologists reference with monotonous regularity?
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They are Secret Service agents. Trump has them too.
Gareth:
It is very apparent that we live in a "do what I say not what I do world". The NYT and other media outlets are sustained supporters of this Credo.
It is very apparent that we live in a "do what I say not what I do world". The NYT and other media outlets are sustained supporters of this Credo.
Mayor Guliani supporting Second Amendmens comments by Mr. Trump. Perhaps the NRA should review the mayor's strict gun control laws he imposed as NYC mayor. .
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I can't help but reflect from a spiritual point of view how Trump will ultimately be held accountable by a higher power for not only a lifetime of excesses, but how he contributed in this period of time to the deterioration intellectually and spiritually of those who support him.
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Geez, let's not resort to superstition. We're in enough of a mess already.
And I can't help but reflect as a Christian that the Obama liberals who have and continue to bear false witness against Donald Trump with these blatant lies and dishonest "interpretations" will be held accountable.
Repent now. The moment is at hand.
Amen.
Repent now. The moment is at hand.
Amen.
There's always been two kinds of leader wannabes, AKA politicians: the Hitler types and the more-or-less Jefferson types. Throughout history various peoples have reached for the former in desperation only to end up much worse off. Trump is of course the Hitler type in a three piece suit and too many of us in a shameful moment in history think he is the "answer" to something.
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The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious.
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest—
For Brutus is an honorable man;
So are they all, all honorable men—
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me.
But Brutus says he was ambitious,
And Brutus is an honorable man.
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As much as I dislike Trump, I had taken earlier comments labeling him a fascist as hyperbole. However, now I have to rethink that. He is a strong man candidate who bemoans the fall of a once great nation. His base is made up of the under-educated, unskilled, white working class who have feel their country and their jobs have been stolen from them. He stokes fear and hate against the "other". He has recently suggested that the electoral process is rigged and now made a clear suggestion for armed thuggery if things don't go the way he wants. We all know he wasn't joking.
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If there is any doubt about the meaning of Trump's statement all one must do is listen to the last phrase of his statement. One the media seams unable to include in it's recounting of the moment. Trump follows the "I don't know." with the following "It will be a horrible day."
He can not be talking of the Second Amendment crowd exercising constitutional rights. Rather, it can only mean the horribleness of an assassination. With this statement, Trump's meaning is clear and utterly indefensible.
He can not be talking of the Second Amendment crowd exercising constitutional rights. Rather, it can only mean the horribleness of an assassination. With this statement, Trump's meaning is clear and utterly indefensible.
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Gun don't kill people. People kill people.
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People with guns kill lots of people. You rarely hear of drive-by knifings.
The Secret Service is standing right next to Donald Trump wherever he goes. Trump said: "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know." Because there was such a duplicitous flap by the left, Trump clarified his meaning immediately to say he viewed gun owners as a large voting block and was not threatening or encouraging violence against Hillary Clinton but encouraging that bloc to vote for him. If you don’t believe Donald Trump arrest him because you are obviously a mind reader. I think Trump gave the left an opportunity to jump all over him because he was “extremely careless”, but as we all know from the FBI director Comey, that is not a crime and it is your intention that counts. If you arrest Donald Trump you can arrest me next. My words: "If Hillary Clinton gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know." My clarification for all the folks on the left and the Secret Service and the FBI: “I know the people who believe in the second amendment, of which I am one, are a large voting bloc and my words are appealing to them to vote for Donald Trump because if you don't Hillary Clinton mightl attempt to repel the second amendment. I do not own a gun and I am not threating anyone with violence or encouraging anyone to kill Hillary Clinton.” The NYT will be happy to give you my personal data so you can charge me.
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Mr Trump was talking about the situation AFTER Clinton was elected and was appointing judges.
It's pretty funny that the democrats are complaining constantly about the POWER of the gun lobby but when Trump suggests they utilize that power the biased media insinuates he is suggesting violence. Nice try guys. The bad part is the 40% of the mindless leftists that believe the propaganda.
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It's not the media. It's the rest of America. You know, the people with the college educations that understand what he is implying.
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"Paul D. Ryan... told reporters on Tuesday night that the remarks sounded 'like a joke gone bad.'
He added: 'You should never joke about that. I hope he clears it up quickly.' ”
What a worm Ryan is. Or maybe more like a snake swallowing his own tail. "Hope he clears it up quickly" do you, Paul? What is clear to most of the world, is apparently opaque to your scaled-over eyes. Of course, "quickly" Donald the Dangerous will say he didn't say/mean what he said/meant so the reptiles of your ilk can crawl back into their holes and keep on pretending every thing is just fine.
Vile.
He added: 'You should never joke about that. I hope he clears it up quickly.' ”
What a worm Ryan is. Or maybe more like a snake swallowing his own tail. "Hope he clears it up quickly" do you, Paul? What is clear to most of the world, is apparently opaque to your scaled-over eyes. Of course, "quickly" Donald the Dangerous will say he didn't say/mean what he said/meant so the reptiles of your ilk can crawl back into their holes and keep on pretending every thing is just fine.
Vile.
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Ryan and McConnell MIA, again. Cowards. Reprehensible cowards. Trump was a joke, then a concern, but has finally become a toxin, poisoning the well of civic conventions that makes democracy even possible. Is this how it is to be in the future then, settle everything with violence? Indescribable visceral disgust. And not just with Trump, but his mealy-mouthed enablers. Is there not one of them who will finally say "enough"?
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The precise wording used was: “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know."
Meaning - Mrs. Clinton has won the election and is nominating judges. Therefore, does this "joke" as Paul Ryan refers to it mean that Mr. Trump is "joking" about "2nd Amendment People" blocking a judgeship? Isn't that occuring right now under President Obama? So where is the "joke"? I'm sorry but I just don't see the "joke" House Speaker Ryan sees. Can someone help me here?
Meaning - Mrs. Clinton has won the election and is nominating judges. Therefore, does this "joke" as Paul Ryan refers to it mean that Mr. Trump is "joking" about "2nd Amendment People" blocking a judgeship? Isn't that occuring right now under President Obama? So where is the "joke"? I'm sorry but I just don't see the "joke" House Speaker Ryan sees. Can someone help me here?
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For once, I have to say I'm on Trump's side with this one. I think most people are misinterpreting his meaning. It did not sound to me like he was calling for "2nd Amendment people" to assassinate Hillary. It seemed very clear he wanted those people to assassinate the hypothetical Supreme Court nominee whom Hillary wants to come in abolish the Second Amendment.
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So are you suggesting it's okay for the "hypothetical Supreme Court nominee" to be assassinated?
A President who habitually thinks before he speaks? In such a way that he could encourage murder????
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Day 1: If Trumps get democratically elected the rest of the world shall conclude America is dangerously foaming from the mouth and needs an intervention. Nuclear nations might be able to do something about it, I don't know.
Day 2: What I meant by that statement was; nations so wealth as having peaceful nuclear programs could bomb the US with love and peace to help prevent this ever happen again.
Day 2: What I meant by that statement was; nations so wealth as having peaceful nuclear programs could bomb the US with love and peace to help prevent this ever happen again.
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If he didn't mean the use of violence, why did he single out 2ed amendment supporters as the one who could change things. He could have easily made the same comment using the anti-abortion supporters, an equally large group angry at the liberal wing of the supreme court. It would have made the same point, but the implied use of violence would have been absent.
This is not a statement made in a vacuum, using one's second amendment rights have been used by others as a euphemism for armed violence against a government they disagree with.
Trump can plead media prejudice. He has done in the past whenever he puts his foot in his mouth. His followers will swallow almost anything, but the rest of the country, including many Republicans, are rolling their eyes, thinking not again Donald.
This is not a statement made in a vacuum, using one's second amendment rights have been used by others as a euphemism for armed violence against a government they disagree with.
Trump can plead media prejudice. He has done in the past whenever he puts his foot in his mouth. His followers will swallow almost anything, but the rest of the country, including many Republicans, are rolling their eyes, thinking not again Donald.
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For all the complaining Donald's supporters do about being accused of bigotry, violence and hatred, they sure have done a great job in promoting these values by elevating the orange rat king of Ignorance & Hate. These people betray themselves and demonstrate that they are in no way victims but aggressors and predators.
After that one angry man murdered people at Planned Parenthood because he thought abortion was a violent crime and he had a gun, and after the next angry man murdered students on a college campus because he thought women owed him sex and he had a gun, and after the next angry man murdered his wife and children before killing himself because he thought they should obey him and he had a gun, and after the next angry man murdered two women in a movie theater because he thought 'feminist' films injured his life in some way and he had a gun...
Americans *must* acknowledge that silencing this language has nothing to do with PC culture and everything to do with the right of American citizens (including women) to live public lives visiting health clinics, tweeting, attending school, seeing movies, posting articles online, divorcing a spouse, starring in a Ghostbusters remake, and even running for president without expecting near-constant, unacceptable, downright terrifying and insultingly glib threats of violence.
This is the person the FBI should be interviewing.
After that one angry man murdered people at Planned Parenthood because he thought abortion was a violent crime and he had a gun, and after the next angry man murdered students on a college campus because he thought women owed him sex and he had a gun, and after the next angry man murdered his wife and children before killing himself because he thought they should obey him and he had a gun, and after the next angry man murdered two women in a movie theater because he thought 'feminist' films injured his life in some way and he had a gun...
Americans *must* acknowledge that silencing this language has nothing to do with PC culture and everything to do with the right of American citizens (including women) to live public lives visiting health clinics, tweeting, attending school, seeing movies, posting articles online, divorcing a spouse, starring in a Ghostbusters remake, and even running for president without expecting near-constant, unacceptable, downright terrifying and insultingly glib threats of violence.
This is the person the FBI should be interviewing.
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Oh please! He knew EXACTLY what he was inferring. If this were another country and the circumstances were right, he has the temperament and psychological disposition to morph into a Stalin, a Hussein, a Mugabe, a Mussolini, a Jong-il or any other notorious dictator. He views the world as dog-eat-dog and man as the most vicious of all the animals and has said as much.
Thankfully in this country, freedom is so ingrained in the national consciousness and our checks and balances are the bedrock of our democracy so that a dictatorship under could never be, but had we not those safeguards in place to keep people like him in check, I firmly believe he'd aspire to rise to absolute power, and by any means.
Thankfully in this country, freedom is so ingrained in the national consciousness and our checks and balances are the bedrock of our democracy so that a dictatorship under could never be, but had we not those safeguards in place to keep people like him in check, I firmly believe he'd aspire to rise to absolute power, and by any means.
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" If this were another country and the circumstances were right, he has the temperament and psychological disposition to morph into a Stalin, a Hussein, a Mugabe, a Mussolini, a Jong-il or any other notorious dictator." In those other countries, should he speak like he does, he'd be in the dungeon by now, or in a mental hospital, or both.
I admit this is the nadir of his outrageous comments. But we knew all about Trump with his outrageous "Birther" claims against President Obama. He is the same man and he is now a presidential candidate. Free speech is one thing but buying influence and the giving him so much free media time without critique or opposing arguments is another. We must figure out what is wrong with our system.
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I only wish that the Republican candidate would withdraw immediately and allow for a reasonable candidate to run so that we might actually hear issues discussed. This candidate is beyond comprehension in awfulness.
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The Trump campaign's explanation is entirely lacking. The statement was: "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Though the Second Amendment people - maybe there is, I don't know." The entire premise is set up by Clinton picking her judges. He is addressing a situation that would only come to pass AFTER Clinton had won the election, so an explanation about motivating voters to go to the polls clearly fails.
It appears - one has to hope - that he was joking. But there are certain things a presidential nominee should not and, really, cannot joke about. Those things include inciting violence toward Clinton or judicial appointees (at least in terms of who the thinly veiled threat was directed at, Trump's remarks were legitimately ambiguous), or encouraging a hostile foreign power to hack a political rival. Mr. Trump's inability to stop this sort of behavior reveals an alarming absence of judgment.
It appears - one has to hope - that he was joking. But there are certain things a presidential nominee should not and, really, cannot joke about. Those things include inciting violence toward Clinton or judicial appointees (at least in terms of who the thinly veiled threat was directed at, Trump's remarks were legitimately ambiguous), or encouraging a hostile foreign power to hack a political rival. Mr. Trump's inability to stop this sort of behavior reveals an alarming absence of judgment.
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Although Trump's comments frequently get laughs because he has a knack for grade school boys' humor, I have never seen him laugh at anyone else's jokes. That is common among clinically diagnosed narcissists...they do not have a sense of humor, and if they ever laugh at all, it's only at their own jokes.
Why not just exhort his followers to assassinate supreme court justices?
If any of his supporters attempts an assassination, Trump should be arrested and prosecuted for inciting such an act. You don't think so? Then I guess you don't think ISIS is responsible for any of the lone wolf terrorist attacks made in its name either.
Yep - this is our law and order candidate. Hitler was for law and order too.
If any of his supporters attempts an assassination, Trump should be arrested and prosecuted for inciting such an act. You don't think so? Then I guess you don't think ISIS is responsible for any of the lone wolf terrorist attacks made in its name either.
Yep - this is our law and order candidate. Hitler was for law and order too.
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It's all fun and games until the President gets assassinated.
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The liberal media and most of the people commenting here seem to know more about what Trump is thinking than he does.
And the FBI director knows that Hillary really didn't intend to commit a crime.
How about giving Trump the same benefit of the doubt to Trump? You are demonstrating that you are just as dishonest and untrustworthy as Hillary.
And the FBI director knows that Hillary really didn't intend to commit a crime.
How about giving Trump the same benefit of the doubt to Trump? You are demonstrating that you are just as dishonest and untrustworthy as Hillary.
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what does th term liberal media even mean ?
who is th liberal media, can you post a list
who is not th liberal media
its a meaningless tern unless you provide specifics
Reading this article, I am reminded of a great old 1950s ride at the historic Kennywood Amusement Park in Pittsburgh.
It was a giant round wood cauldron, crafted to be large enough to hold nearly a hundred people who circled its massive walls and faced each other. Those who waited above the wall could look inside as the giant cauldron began to spin. And spin it did, as fast as a gyroscope of humanity can be spun. People were frozen in place, looking at each other. Heads could hardly turn. Then at once, at top speed, the spinning human centrifuge mechanically dropped the entire floor from under the spinning mass of people, who stayed in place like puppets riveted to the wall.
I'm not sure if such a ride still exists, you should go watch it or ride it.
The entire spectacle is a metaphor. It reminds me how much the Trump haters are bloviating like the people caught at their own behest in a spinning cauldron, trying to scream at anyone who will listen how much they detest The Donald. They are stuck in place, brainwashed. I truly hope you are happy with the way things are going in the spinning drum, because when the ride stops, you will realize how absolutely wrong all of you have been!
Get off the ride, while you still can. Vote Trump.
It was a giant round wood cauldron, crafted to be large enough to hold nearly a hundred people who circled its massive walls and faced each other. Those who waited above the wall could look inside as the giant cauldron began to spin. And spin it did, as fast as a gyroscope of humanity can be spun. People were frozen in place, looking at each other. Heads could hardly turn. Then at once, at top speed, the spinning human centrifuge mechanically dropped the entire floor from under the spinning mass of people, who stayed in place like puppets riveted to the wall.
I'm not sure if such a ride still exists, you should go watch it or ride it.
The entire spectacle is a metaphor. It reminds me how much the Trump haters are bloviating like the people caught at their own behest in a spinning cauldron, trying to scream at anyone who will listen how much they detest The Donald. They are stuck in place, brainwashed. I truly hope you are happy with the way things are going in the spinning drum, because when the ride stops, you will realize how absolutely wrong all of you have been!
Get off the ride, while you still can. Vote Trump.
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What does rhetoric of this nature lead to?
Amplification of hostilities. Food for the crazies. Joking. Not Joking. It leads to people getting killed. Politics by other means of a sort.
Amplification of hostilities. Food for the crazies. Joking. Not Joking. It leads to people getting killed. Politics by other means of a sort.
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Trump talked about AFTER Hillary is elected President, gun owners could do something to stop her from appointing Judges who would allow gun regulation.
This is a thinly veiled treat to Hillay's life and amounts to advocating the assassination of a president.
By the way, Trump's Big Lie is that Hillary wants to "do away" w/ the Second Amendment. This is completely false. Hillary just wants gun safety laws to reduce gun violence and prevent the bloodbaths of death of innocent victims that we witnessed in horror including the six Dallas police officers, 20 first graders and six teachers at Sandy Hook, and 49 club patrons in Orlando.
This is a thinly veiled treat to Hillay's life and amounts to advocating the assassination of a president.
By the way, Trump's Big Lie is that Hillary wants to "do away" w/ the Second Amendment. This is completely false. Hillary just wants gun safety laws to reduce gun violence and prevent the bloodbaths of death of innocent victims that we witnessed in horror including the six Dallas police officers, 20 first graders and six teachers at Sandy Hook, and 49 club patrons in Orlando.
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"Act against Hillary" means Second Amendment supporters will VOTE against Mendacious Hillary.
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sorry, no, it doesn't. Read it in context, again. He's clearly referring to *after* the election. ("once she chooses her judges, there's nothing you can do-- except....") And he wraps it up by saying "that will be a horrible day." What did he mean by that, in your benign interpretation? Why would voting day be "horrible"? No: you know and I know, and I know that you know, what he meant.
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Nope, voting happens BEFORE election. He made clear the "second amendment people" may react AFTER Hillary is elected.
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When Trump speaks extemporaneously like this, he goes off the rails. He was making a joke. A very, very stupid joke considering he is running for the presidency. These types of comments will be his undoing.
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The Trump people are trying to explain away his comments by saying he didn't mean what we all know he meant, that he was actually just urging them to vote against Hillary now, as a preventive measure. But it's easy to demonstrate otherwise.
He said, “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.” Then he added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Let's imagine if he had said, “Although the anti-free trade people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” We would think that he was telling these people to step up their efforts to kill trade. We wouldn't think he was just telling them to vote.
Or imagine he had said, “Although the anti-immigration people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” We would think he was telling them to go after immigrants. Again, we wouldn't think he was just telling them to vote.
So, what do we naturally think when we look at what he did say? We think it's pretty clear.
He said, “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.” Then he added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Let's imagine if he had said, “Although the anti-free trade people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” We would think that he was telling these people to step up their efforts to kill trade. We wouldn't think he was just telling them to vote.
Or imagine he had said, “Although the anti-immigration people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” We would think he was telling them to go after immigrants. Again, we wouldn't think he was just telling them to vote.
So, what do we naturally think when we look at what he did say? We think it's pretty clear.
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It is easy to start a cycle of violence, but difficult to stop. We all like to think we won't be drawn in, but history teaches us that nurturing evil in humans begins with normalizing violence. Rhetoric is generally the beginning. Not everything is a slippery slope, but this genuinely frightens me. Together we must back away from the edge. Trump is dangerous. Very very dangerous.
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Ignorance will always pose a danger to society--and so Donald Trump can only be considered extremely dangerous. This is one of the dear prices we're paying for our diminished and failing education system. Donald Trump is to the presidency what Trump University is to Princeton.
When he was not running for president, he was an irrelevant and little man. Unfettered greed, shady business practices. A sad and hopeless need for attention, a shameless self-promoter. And those are his good qualities. But as the republican party's nominee for president? He is both a threat to our nation and the world. With no ethical or moral balance, he will spew this vitriolic nonsense regardless of the effect his words may have in order to stay in the spotlight. That is Donald Trump in life--and that's the nightmare of a Donald Trump in office.
This is the most grotesque display of our democracy at work as I have ever witnessed. While he has a right as an American to blather whatever ignorance that comes to his empty head, it is beyond unacceptable as a candidate for any office.
For the republicans remaining silent, remember: this is your voice. And you should be ashamed...unless, like your candidate, you are too ignorant to be.
When he was not running for president, he was an irrelevant and little man. Unfettered greed, shady business practices. A sad and hopeless need for attention, a shameless self-promoter. And those are his good qualities. But as the republican party's nominee for president? He is both a threat to our nation and the world. With no ethical or moral balance, he will spew this vitriolic nonsense regardless of the effect his words may have in order to stay in the spotlight. That is Donald Trump in life--and that's the nightmare of a Donald Trump in office.
This is the most grotesque display of our democracy at work as I have ever witnessed. While he has a right as an American to blather whatever ignorance that comes to his empty head, it is beyond unacceptable as a candidate for any office.
For the republicans remaining silent, remember: this is your voice. And you should be ashamed...unless, like your candidate, you are too ignorant to be.
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Any up-standing American regardless of party would repudiate this, so why aren't the repubs in congress speaking up? Obviously, for them it is party before country. What a shame for them and our country.
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It is quite shocking to see that nothing is being done about his remarks. Have we become so desensitized to violent rhetoric, and violence in general, that there are going to be no consequences for what is a legitimate threat to a presidential candidate?
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No dog whistle here. Trump's sentence after the one quoted by the article is the smoking gun that makes his meaning perfectly clear: "But that would be a horrible day."
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In a court of law, the pedantic, hey lets play dumb, wild speculations by the media lynch mob would be thrown out as hearsay. Why? Because we have Donald Trump right here to tell us exactly what he meant by his comments.
As opposed to a news media that confessed that it is unabashedly anti Trump and repeatedly proves itself willing to lie about Trump as a means to an end.
It would probably take me about 20 seconds to get every news article "interpreting" Trump's comments thrown out of any court in this country.
As opposed to a news media that confessed that it is unabashedly anti Trump and repeatedly proves itself willing to lie about Trump as a means to an end.
It would probably take me about 20 seconds to get every news article "interpreting" Trump's comments thrown out of any court in this country.
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Go back to law school and bone up on the rules of evidence.
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Anyone with any sense at all is unabashedly anti-Trump.
And his day in court is coming...so we'll see.
And his day in court is coming...so we'll see.
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Any one who thinks that Trump threatened Hillary is:
A. Extremely prejudice.
B. Mentally deficient.
C. Both A and B.
Take your pick.
A. Extremely prejudice.
B. Mentally deficient.
C. Both A and B.
Take your pick.
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The video also shows Trump saying that Clinton said she "short-circuited" and then he claimed that he would be "executed" for saying such a thing. And that people (who, exactly??) had sought a "stay" from Justice Roberts for the people who are going to "be voting 15 times".
He is clearly baiting this crowd and lying to create the sub-text that he will be cheated.
He is clearly baiting this crowd and lying to create the sub-text that he will be cheated.
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Trump has gone too far. The voters who are standing by him are beyond belief. What makes these people so crazy to any rational thought?
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No wonder the gun nuts think NYT and other media commentators too are nuts.
"...caught by surprise. Video showed a man just over Mr. Trump’s shoulder go slack-jawed and turn to his companion, apparently in disbelief."
Did NYT look at the video or just repeat what the reporter read elsewhere? The man was "slack jawed" and tugging his beard long before The Donald uttered his absurd, criminal conspiracy words. Once Dumb Don crossed the line, the man turned to his companion, a gray haired woman, who clearly found the comment and the man's "look" to amusing. And in the meme I am seeing about, the man starts to return the amused look with a happy one of his own. No one in the video is slack-jawed with disbelief.
Let us keep in mind, Dumb Don is only part of the problem. The people, like the two mentioned above, think Dangerous and Disgusting Don is not Disingenuous Don, but rather that he is hot stuff, amusing, and right on.
We misinterpret their feelings, motivations and intent at our great--possibly fatal-- peril.
"...caught by surprise. Video showed a man just over Mr. Trump’s shoulder go slack-jawed and turn to his companion, apparently in disbelief."
Did NYT look at the video or just repeat what the reporter read elsewhere? The man was "slack jawed" and tugging his beard long before The Donald uttered his absurd, criminal conspiracy words. Once Dumb Don crossed the line, the man turned to his companion, a gray haired woman, who clearly found the comment and the man's "look" to amusing. And in the meme I am seeing about, the man starts to return the amused look with a happy one of his own. No one in the video is slack-jawed with disbelief.
Let us keep in mind, Dumb Don is only part of the problem. The people, like the two mentioned above, think Dangerous and Disgusting Don is not Disingenuous Don, but rather that he is hot stuff, amusing, and right on.
We misinterpret their feelings, motivations and intent at our great--possibly fatal-- peril.
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Trump fires off his mouth (again) first, without thinking and the entire media machine gets a hissy fit, trying to outdo each other, how intepret exactly what "he meant".
A couple of days ago, Mike Morrell, a former CIA deputy director was on Charlie Rose the other night and in the interview he openly proposed the assassination of Iranians and Russians in Syria (covertly, of course), plus blowing up Assad's personal motorcade, his palace, whatever, as a form of 'exerting pressure on him'.
Not a single syllable about that in any of the major papers.
Even the host had to ask him back "are you suggesting to kill Iranians and Russians?" to which Morrell replied "yes, that's exactly what I am suggesting".
The link here is that he is supporting Clinton.
I just hope that her campaign will distance itself from this nutcase and soon. He is unhinged for sure.
And all this on prime television.
A couple of days ago, Mike Morrell, a former CIA deputy director was on Charlie Rose the other night and in the interview he openly proposed the assassination of Iranians and Russians in Syria (covertly, of course), plus blowing up Assad's personal motorcade, his palace, whatever, as a form of 'exerting pressure on him'.
Not a single syllable about that in any of the major papers.
Even the host had to ask him back "are you suggesting to kill Iranians and Russians?" to which Morrell replied "yes, that's exactly what I am suggesting".
The link here is that he is supporting Clinton.
I just hope that her campaign will distance itself from this nutcase and soon. He is unhinged for sure.
And all this on prime television.
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More people watch prime time TV than read the paper. That's the most typical conservative comeback though " I bet you didn't see this in the paper. "
Just imagine for a split second, what would happen to a black presidential candidate who made the exact same comment. That's also how quickly that campaign would be over for good. #goodtimes #murica
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Lock him up!
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So we go from the calmest, most rational president we have seen since Eisenhower to the least rational, most out of control candidate, topping even Palin. I suppose the slogan for Trump supporters is "from 'no-problem Obama to 'all-problem Trump'".
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It is no longer enough for Trump to loose the election. There has to be a call to action boycotting all things Trump! His megaphone needs to be taken away and he needs to go away - Maybe Putin will take him......
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And people who do not know the difference between "loose" and "lose" should also be shunned...
Actually, this is not the first time a Republican presidential candidate advocated violence against an opponent. During the 2008 campaign, Mike Huckabee was addressing an NRA convention and referenced someone firing a gun at Senator Barack Obama in attempted assassination. He later apologized, calling it a "joke".
Note that he was addressing a very large crowd of people who love guns and hated Obama, therefore they may not see it as a joke but a call to action.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/same-joke-more-regret/comm...
Note that he was addressing a very large crowd of people who love guns and hated Obama, therefore they may not see it as a joke but a call to action.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/same-joke-more-regret/comm...
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The media is not reporting Trump's next statement, "but that would be a terrible day." This statement makes his "ambiguous" remark very clear -- Trump was referring to violence. I fault the NYTimes and the media in general for not including this statement when reporting Trump's remarks. It's the context, stupid.
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Exactly. I still remember how he looked/acted when he made that statement. I leaned forward toward the television and said aloud in disbelief, "Are you kidding me?" "What is going on?" "Is this really still happening?"
How could that part of his statement be left out?
How could that part of his statement be left out?
Trump has displayed engagement tactics of a thug; he is not a disciplined Soldier who holds high standards of a manly fight! Preempting his loss, he has already started lobbing conspiracy around the Presidential debates and our Democratic elections itself! He is doing all he can to play out of the rules of a worthy fight.
I'm appalled at the Republicans, who allows him to be their Flag bearer! Is it all about power? If Reince Priebus or Paul Ryan has little respect for the Institution they steer, Mr Trump should have been history of the party ticket long ago. In their conspicuous silence lies the absence of clarity & objectivity to be the Brand owners. It lacks the long-term vision for the Republican Brand they Captain. Trump's leadership of GOP must have left other sensible members and conservatives to humiliate, and forget how many are rolling in their graves!
Only way to suffocate such a voice of doomsday, the media should take him off air, no coverage, and then see how he gasps to breath! He has been feasting on this free ride from day one and still our naive media for the want of eyeballs hover around him and help him vitiate the environment of a developed, mature and oldest Democracy public discourse into a filthy drama. Mr Trump is not only on the path to self-destruct himself, in his fantasy ride; he will take the Republican Party and the very proud Institutions of America to the ground, cured and nurtured over Two Hundred years by scores of unsung Patriots!
I'm appalled at the Republicans, who allows him to be their Flag bearer! Is it all about power? If Reince Priebus or Paul Ryan has little respect for the Institution they steer, Mr Trump should have been history of the party ticket long ago. In their conspicuous silence lies the absence of clarity & objectivity to be the Brand owners. It lacks the long-term vision for the Republican Brand they Captain. Trump's leadership of GOP must have left other sensible members and conservatives to humiliate, and forget how many are rolling in their graves!
Only way to suffocate such a voice of doomsday, the media should take him off air, no coverage, and then see how he gasps to breath! He has been feasting on this free ride from day one and still our naive media for the want of eyeballs hover around him and help him vitiate the environment of a developed, mature and oldest Democracy public discourse into a filthy drama. Mr Trump is not only on the path to self-destruct himself, in his fantasy ride; he will take the Republican Party and the very proud Institutions of America to the ground, cured and nurtured over Two Hundred years by scores of unsung Patriots!
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His comments are only the continuation, perhaps the apotheosis, of Sarah Palin's "keep 'em in the crosshairs." To those not really tuned in, it seems like an innocent metaphor, but to the dogs it's a whistle.
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Unfortunately, many of the vocal Second Amendment supporters in this country eventually do end up where Trump ended, they want to maintain their gun rights as a final "check" on government power. To put it bluntly, they want free access to guns because they believe that a showdown is coming and somehow they will be able to fight off the American military on home soil. This is delusional and dangerous. The US is a democracy and if you don't like the government you need to participate in it and make change happen not retreat and start an insurrection.
The Government is not coming for anyone's guns. Hillary Clinton supports all the amendents to the Constituion as does the Surpreme Court. As citizens we all have rights and protections that are too precious to ignorantly dismiss the way Donald Trump does. Clearly, he has no understanding of American history or the way our government works. If he wants to change our governement it is only so he can accrue greater power for himself.
The Government is not coming for anyone's guns. Hillary Clinton supports all the amendents to the Constituion as does the Surpreme Court. As citizens we all have rights and protections that are too precious to ignorantly dismiss the way Donald Trump does. Clearly, he has no understanding of American history or the way our government works. If he wants to change our governement it is only so he can accrue greater power for himself.
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Many people in the NRA subscribe to the End of the World scenario. This is a common cult fantasy/delusion. The End of the World belief justifies actions that would otherwise be unthinkable.
Trump doubles down on the failed Republican policy prescriptions with the addition of mean and nasty personal attacks on his opposition. Trump's suggestion that his gun lover followers could "do something" about Clinton is incredibly stupid as well considering how many nuts out there could take him at his suggestion.
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as stupid as Hillary's asserting that Obama wasn't born in this country?
Then there's this. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-w...
Then there's this. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-w...
I think the story is a little misleading. Trump didn't say if would be a "horrible day" if Clinton was elected and was able to appoint justices. He said it would be a "horrible day" after remarking the Second Amendment people might be able to do something about Clinton. That more than anything sounded like classic Trump: insinuating something distasteful and inappropriate, but distancing himself from the remark at the same time (i.e. I don't believe it -- there was a picture of Ted Cruz's father with Oswald! I don't know, but a lot of people are saying ... that sort of thing) . Why would political action against Clinton appointments be a "horrible day"? The Trump campaign is lying about Trump's meaning.
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You give Trump a lot of credit for actually thinking about what he says.
We've had Presidents who popped off like this, but certainly not in the electronic age. But what if the one who can't stay on message is still the better leader regarding the crucial issues of -
national security?
getting people jobs?
dealing honestly with the terror problem and immigration?
Mr. Obama's nation-stopping regulations explosion and the deficit?
Mr. Obama has added regulations that will cost American workers and employers $270 trillion to carry out.
Who knew that agency bureaucrats understood all these industries better than the companies and their workers?
national security?
getting people jobs?
dealing honestly with the terror problem and immigration?
Mr. Obama's nation-stopping regulations explosion and the deficit?
Mr. Obama has added regulations that will cost American workers and employers $270 trillion to carry out.
Who knew that agency bureaucrats understood all these industries better than the companies and their workers?
Who is more dangerous Trump, the media or the DNC ?
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Are you serious?
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There is only one "who," in that list, since neither "the media," nor "the DNC," is a person.
The answer is, Trump. By the way, have you figured out yet that FOX, Rush, Breitbart, Coulter, d'Souza, Infowars, are the rest are "the media," too?
The answer is, Trump. By the way, have you figured out yet that FOX, Rush, Breitbart, Coulter, d'Souza, Infowars, are the rest are "the media," too?
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is this a trick question? Trump, of course. By far.
The Trump candidacy is and has all along been primarily a publicity stunt. Probably no one is more surprised than the Donald himself that it's gotten this far. It's the length of the American campaign season that has created the journalistic ennui and obscene amount of print/air time this carny has inspired. The press is BY FAR the biggest contributor to Trump's campaign in terms of IN-KIND donation of free attention. Of course he wasn't telling gun advocates to assassinate a future Pres. Clinton, but he sure got the result he wanted! More free press! So now the only drumbeat should be: Where are your TAX RETURNS? Where are your TAX RETURNS? Where are your TAX RETURNS?....
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Any "important Republican" who doesn't disavow this buffoon now - completely and unequivocally - doesn't deserve any more respect than he deserves. This jerk is the biggest Zero who ever got "famous", and he deserves zero support from anyone with a clue.
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What the heck are "second amendment people"?
It is completely unclear what is meant by the phrase "second amendment rights" which is bandied about these days (intrerpreting it the way it had been understood for two centuries, it is the right to participate in a militia on a collective basis with other citizens during a time when there is no organized police force or standing army), and therefore even less clear what it means by "second amendment people." But like Trump's other tweets and twirps, its a soundbite that sounds good to low-information voters.
It is completely unclear what is meant by the phrase "second amendment rights" which is bandied about these days (intrerpreting it the way it had been understood for two centuries, it is the right to participate in a militia on a collective basis with other citizens during a time when there is no organized police force or standing army), and therefore even less clear what it means by "second amendment people." But like Trump's other tweets and twirps, its a soundbite that sounds good to low-information voters.
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A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined...
- George Washington, First Annual Address to Congress
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....
The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.
- Thomas Jefferson
- George Washington, First Annual Address to Congress
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....
The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Perhaps the reporters might have added the line that HRC at no time has ever advocated abolishing the right to bear arms, for, like, balance with what Trump insinuated and backed up by the NRA quote.
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Hillary has spoken often of her wish for our people to have many more bars to owning guns. Her clear intention is to let the Supreme Court that she plans to load with progressives will do this for her.
Having a solidly statist and liberal Court is the oligarchs' protection against any further Constitutional amendments that future Presidents or Congresses might get passed by the states to protect citizens' rights to hsve a gun.
Is Trump able to stick to a speech? Of course not. Does that make his a bad leader?
With all that has been said about keeping an eye on the mentally disabled and denying them access to guns, have you EVER heard a Dmocrat mention it? Or are the crazy people a tool to get Democrats what they want?
Having a solidly statist and liberal Court is the oligarchs' protection against any further Constitutional amendments that future Presidents or Congresses might get passed by the states to protect citizens' rights to hsve a gun.
Is Trump able to stick to a speech? Of course not. Does that make his a bad leader?
With all that has been said about keeping an eye on the mentally disabled and denying them access to guns, have you EVER heard a Dmocrat mention it? Or are the crazy people a tool to get Democrats what they want?
Yes, Second Amendment people could and should act as a deterrent to Clinton by voting in a block for Trump and by campaigning for him and using their influence to get him elected.
The idea that Second Amendment people would have any idea of assassinating Clinton is a story concocted by the mainstream liberal media in their ongoing attempts to discredit Trump.
We are witnessing selective hearing at its worst.
The idea that Second Amendment people would have any idea of assassinating Clinton is a story concocted by the mainstream liberal media in their ongoing attempts to discredit Trump.
We are witnessing selective hearing at its worst.
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Please enlighten us: what is meant, exactly, by "Second Amendment remedies?"
Cliven Bundy meant using a gun. The guy who shot up the health clinic in the Springs meant using a gun. Dylan Root meant using a gun.
So what's that phrase mean?
Cliven Bundy meant using a gun. The guy who shot up the health clinic in the Springs meant using a gun. Dylan Root meant using a gun.
So what's that phrase mean?
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And yours, since no President or Supreme Court judges can repeal the 2nd Annendment. But the idea that individuals with guns can resist the modern arsenal of any nation-state is delusional.
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Bernie's partly to blame for all this. He gave Trump cover for by not showing his tax returns. And many of his incendiary statements about Hillary have been used over and over again by Trump.
Now he's hiding in Vermont quiet as a mouse.
Now he's hiding in Vermont quiet as a mouse.
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Poppycock
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Let's take Trump at his word that he was simply referring to the passion of gun-rights activists and was simply misunderstood. What happens if he is discussing a disagreement with China or Russia and makes a similar comment, which he thinks is benign but would be interpreted by most as a threat to invade or launch nuclear weapons? An individual who speaks recklessly has no business being in charge of the largest military on earth.
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What happens if Hillary Clinton misinterprets Putin's words as she so often does with Trump's words? Is she going to perceive Putin is out to get her personally?
This literal interpretation of every Trump utterance indicates either a tone deafness or a willful misinformation campaign. Either way, if Hillary Clinton were to handle the words of world leaders this way, it would be a disaster for the US.
This literal interpretation of every Trump utterance indicates either a tone deafness or a willful misinformation campaign. Either way, if Hillary Clinton were to handle the words of world leaders this way, it would be a disaster for the US.
The moment he opened his mouth he lied. Hillary does not want to abolish the 2nd amendment... therefore his entire speech is based on and built on a bald-faced lie.
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"Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?"
Worked once, didn't it?
Rhetoric is powerful stuff, which is exactly why we have laws against solicitation of a capital murder. But he's Trump. No one has the balls to challenge the cowardly bully boy. Shameful.
Worked once, didn't it?
Rhetoric is powerful stuff, which is exactly why we have laws against solicitation of a capital murder. But he's Trump. No one has the balls to challenge the cowardly bully boy. Shameful.
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Thank you for elevating the dialogue with literature!!!!!
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What really scares me is how Trump stirs the pot and fans the fear flames of hate of the "other" starting with President Barack Obama.
His followers are the people who terrify me. They own those semi automatics weapons and hear Trump boast he could "shoot someone in the middle of Fifth ave and still have followers".
When speaking about Second amendment remedies, remember the last republican who said this of Harry Reid LOST her election and faded away.
Maybe trump supporters think they can do the same.
These are dangerous words especially when heard by his followers.
His followers are the people who terrify me. They own those semi automatics weapons and hear Trump boast he could "shoot someone in the middle of Fifth ave and still have followers".
When speaking about Second amendment remedies, remember the last republican who said this of Harry Reid LOST her election and faded away.
Maybe trump supporters think they can do the same.
These are dangerous words especially when heard by his followers.
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The news media say against Mr Trump, since he is running for president, his hotels and resort, are falling to 20% less people.
Well, that is very good news for Mr Trump
Obviously that 20% are all Democrats or at least who never will vote Mr Trump and never put money in Mr Trump pockets.
The remainder 80%, continue as usual and
most probably , they vote Mr Trump, since they expend money in Mr Trump facility.
Not need to be genius to see correlation with election results.
Mr Trump 80%, Mrs Clinton 20%.
This DIY poll are more realistic, fair and accurate, than the media poll.
Sorry about my poor English .
From Argentine God bless America!
Well, that is very good news for Mr Trump
Obviously that 20% are all Democrats or at least who never will vote Mr Trump and never put money in Mr Trump pockets.
The remainder 80%, continue as usual and
most probably , they vote Mr Trump, since they expend money in Mr Trump facility.
Not need to be genius to see correlation with election results.
Mr Trump 80%, Mrs Clinton 20%.
This DIY poll are more realistic, fair and accurate, than the media poll.
Sorry about my poor English .
From Argentine God bless America!
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I question why would anyone think this is a joke. Jokes are supposed to be funny. Below is another example on what was claimed to be a joke, but sure does not seem funny to me.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2009/08/02/jeff-sessions-revenge-tragedy/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/may/05/jeff-ses...
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2009/08/02/jeff-sessions-revenge-tragedy/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/may/05/jeff-ses...
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Some men just want to watch the world burn...
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Again, this kind of rhetoric is part and parcel of the right wing media - you all should listen to what they say . If you believed what they claim, Obama is a dictator akin to Hitler, stopping him would seem like a rational and even patriotic thing to do. Up to this point most major politicians tend to steer a little clear of the most over the top language. As far as the second amendment folks are concerned, what is there slogan - "I'll give you my gun when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands". They really, really are crazy about their guns and I am pretty sure those are fighting words.
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Today's Email to Speaker Ryan:
Dear Mr. Speaker,
Donald Trump's most recent appalling remarks insinuate (and incite) violence against Secretary Clinton. Your reply is to say this sounds "like a joke gone bad"? And you "HOPE" he clears it up?!
Mr. Ryan, Sir, where are your balls? From here, it seems they are in Mr. Trump's little hands.
Sincerely,
Christopher Boone in Los Angeles
Dear Mr. Speaker,
Donald Trump's most recent appalling remarks insinuate (and incite) violence against Secretary Clinton. Your reply is to say this sounds "like a joke gone bad"? And you "HOPE" he clears it up?!
Mr. Ryan, Sir, where are your balls? From here, it seems they are in Mr. Trump's little hands.
Sincerely,
Christopher Boone in Los Angeles
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The GOP nominee needs to tone down the destructive rhetoric. Please register to vote now. Then cast your vote on Tuesday November 8th for Hillary Clinton our presidential candidate most passionately committed to reducing gun violence and promoting public health & safety in the United States.
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Imagine what this carnival barker would have to say if he actually wins the race to the White House!
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I can see where the words used by Mr. Trump may be seen to have the meaning spun in this article. However, in fairness to the Republican candidate, I am reminded of what my grandfather (God rest his soul) use to tell us growing up about such types of comments, "Well, it does look like he threw down that bone to get some attention, but just look at who put the meat back on the bone." I asked he meant and he told me something that I will never forget. He said that even if the sayer (Mr. Trump) means what we think he meant, it is our thought s and minds that are being shown publicly....what does this say about us? Are we letting the world see what is in our subconscious thoughts? Or are we just showing or Freudian slip?
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Michael,
Nice try.
But to those of us who don't by Mr. Trumps CON MAN act, your words strike many as a pale attempt to justify (in a pathetic way) his comments.
Nice try.
But to those of us who don't by Mr. Trumps CON MAN act, your words strike many as a pale attempt to justify (in a pathetic way) his comments.
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ive posted this before but it gets more apt daily
written 90 years ago, brought to fruition by dt
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken
written 90 years ago, brought to fruition by dt
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken
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I thought that day had come to pass when GWB took office in January 2000, but now, we the people, found a more perfect moron, an Orange Demagogue.
While listening to news on the radio today, I noticed two reporters using the phrase "many people are saying". Trump is so ubiquitous in our media that he is setting trends with his incomprehensible sentences.
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We in the United States are scratching our heads trying to make out just what Trump said and want to imply. It is his technique to say vague things which have multiple ways of being interpreted. How would these one liners be made to foreign leaders? Will people be saying: "Did he really mean he would bomb that city or was he joking?" "Did he mean to incite the people of a country to take down their leader?"
Leaders of the Republican party it is not a question of this man controlling himself for the remaining time to win the election. He is who he is. Unqualified in every way to be President. How can your love of country, of the people in it, of people everywhere be so unimportant to support this man?
Leaders of the Republican party it is not a question of this man controlling himself for the remaining time to win the election. He is who he is. Unqualified in every way to be President. How can your love of country, of the people in it, of people everywhere be so unimportant to support this man?
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It might be a little easier to interpret the meaning of his words if they were not being interpreted by a competing presidential candidate's campaign team, whose strategy is to make his every word evidence of his being "unfit" to lead.
Without that filter, he's not nearly as controversial.
Without that filter, he's not nearly as controversial.
"I didn't literally say it, and I didn't literally mean it, but the message should be clear." - Spinal Trump
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@ Dennis
I think it's fair to say that the "dog whistle crowd" is not the pesky Trump supporters but the threatened group of voters who are starting to realize that Trump may actually win. This pouncing-dog crowd is always at the ready to spin around in a dizzying dance to further amuse and confuse the already confused bleeding hearts. You, as well, appear to have been caught in their corral. You are one of the "kept" masses of people who revile Trump.
The group ranges the whole gambit of the political class. You can find them all in the stinky, inbred American "bipartisan" corral of corrupt politics:
From the gruesome but squeaky-clean Gaggle of 50 pathetic, worn-out Republican military experts (all consultants now) to the truly awful DNC operatives who effectively threw Bernie Sanders out on the curb, to the always-protected country club class, not to mention the corrupt crony capitalists who cannot fathom an America THEY don't control completely, the work of the great American brainwashing is almost complete.
It is sad to see otherwise intelligent people go so sour so fast. But then again, such a turn shouldn't be unexpected when almost single-handed, Donald Trump has awoken the best in America. That would be the real desire to have a better country. The last 30-40 years of both Republican and Democrat control has only led to economic idiocy, poor use of our military assets, and an insane pathos which puts identity politics over everything truly American.
I think it's fair to say that the "dog whistle crowd" is not the pesky Trump supporters but the threatened group of voters who are starting to realize that Trump may actually win. This pouncing-dog crowd is always at the ready to spin around in a dizzying dance to further amuse and confuse the already confused bleeding hearts. You, as well, appear to have been caught in their corral. You are one of the "kept" masses of people who revile Trump.
The group ranges the whole gambit of the political class. You can find them all in the stinky, inbred American "bipartisan" corral of corrupt politics:
From the gruesome but squeaky-clean Gaggle of 50 pathetic, worn-out Republican military experts (all consultants now) to the truly awful DNC operatives who effectively threw Bernie Sanders out on the curb, to the always-protected country club class, not to mention the corrupt crony capitalists who cannot fathom an America THEY don't control completely, the work of the great American brainwashing is almost complete.
It is sad to see otherwise intelligent people go so sour so fast. But then again, such a turn shouldn't be unexpected when almost single-handed, Donald Trump has awoken the best in America. That would be the real desire to have a better country. The last 30-40 years of both Republican and Democrat control has only led to economic idiocy, poor use of our military assets, and an insane pathos which puts identity politics over everything truly American.
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The change Donald Trump would bring is threatening many people. They are literally coming out of the woodwork.
If anyone should be worried, it's Trump. Hillary isn't a threat because she would keep the power structure and money flowing as it does today.
Trump, on the other hand, would disrupt everyone's power, authority and money flow. That's a risky position.
If anyone should be worried, it's Trump. Hillary isn't a threat because she would keep the power structure and money flowing as it does today.
Trump, on the other hand, would disrupt everyone's power, authority and money flow. That's a risky position.
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Do you know the definition of "demagogue"? Please look it up and meditate on it.
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The Republican Party knowingly and gladly created the hate filled Brown
Shirt constituency that feeds on Trump, that vomited Trump up with the Republican nomination.
It is more than that he needs to lose. The Republican Party needs to lose, to have its ears boxed and its rear end given a good swift kick to bring it to some sense and some sensibility.
People like McConnell, a progenitor of the race hate that has been aimed at President Obama now for nearly 8 years need to be forced out of politics, shamed and condemned.Trump doesn't know any better. He is an ignorant bully, an ignoramus.
McConnell knows better and deliberately and calculatedly chose and chooses to be a well informed bigot and racist. He more than Trump is the real danger.
To quote Harry Truman, "Had enough?" Then vote a straight up and down Democratic ballot this years. Whomp the Republicans into common sense and decency if there is any chance left that they would or could anymore see how hateful an instrument of ignorance and fear their party has become.
Shirt constituency that feeds on Trump, that vomited Trump up with the Republican nomination.
It is more than that he needs to lose. The Republican Party needs to lose, to have its ears boxed and its rear end given a good swift kick to bring it to some sense and some sensibility.
People like McConnell, a progenitor of the race hate that has been aimed at President Obama now for nearly 8 years need to be forced out of politics, shamed and condemned.Trump doesn't know any better. He is an ignorant bully, an ignoramus.
McConnell knows better and deliberately and calculatedly chose and chooses to be a well informed bigot and racist. He more than Trump is the real danger.
To quote Harry Truman, "Had enough?" Then vote a straight up and down Democratic ballot this years. Whomp the Republicans into common sense and decency if there is any chance left that they would or could anymore see how hateful an instrument of ignorance and fear their party has become.
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Note to Trump supporters: My father said that we are judged by the company we keep. You know, there is no shame in changing your mind.
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Trump is clearly engaged in a 'scorched earth' approach to his campaign now. Perhaps he has always been. All of his businesses are tanking. Just google 'golf participation', and see that the flagship sport that he has built his 'empire' around is seeing a nose-dive in participation among millennials, and other demographics. Recently, it was revealed that foot traffic into his hotels is seeing a vast drop-off, as most are based smack-dab in cities that vote Democrat (this will only get worse). He knows his empire is crumbling, and is experiencing slow-motion volcanic anger as a result, especially when he pins the blame on a laundry list of outside factors like immigration, Obama economic policies, etc. His narcissist/sociopathic/ego-oriented personality can't stomach this reality, so he feels the need to bring America down with him. Don't let him.
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Maybe he's channeling Richard Nixon:
“I know you think you believe you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is exactly what I meant.”
― Richard M. Nixon
“I know you think you believe you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is exactly what I meant.”
― Richard M. Nixon
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Actually, it's Hillary Clinton who is channeling Nixon. She's the one who's imagining herself as a target and hearing secret messages being telegraphed to an audience only she knows exists.
Of course the democrats want to get rid of the second amendment. Then the only ones with guns will be the criminals. Trump wasn't talking about assassination like Hillary did in 2008. Hillary said then that she didn't want to get out of the race till the California primary because we know Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June. Trump was talking about not letting the government take away our rights which is why the second amendment was put in.
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Rights, that he knows darn well, Clinton couldn't and wouldn't take away.
Anyone who has grown up in a redneck family or neighborhood knows exactly what Donald Trump is saying. Its the same sort of humor the Klan used before bombing a church in Birmingham, Alabama. Its the same sort of humor used at political rallies in 1930s Germany. It is a desensitizing humor that panders to the mob mentality that says its not only Okay to do the morally wrong thing. It incites the mob into believing that it has the power to make the most indefensible acts- even murder the right thing to do. Donald Trump's words are a monstrous echo from the past that no decent person should tolerate. This is no gray line that Donald Trump has crossed. It certainly is not a thing we should ignore nor accept.
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Trump needs to be FOLLOWED by the Secret Service, rather than protected by it.
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I've been saying that about Obama for 12 years.
This election cycle is beyond weird. Its a shame that we end up the two choices we have. The worst two I have seen in a long time. Trump actually makes Clinton look good. Not that the NYT has ever not promoted the fallacy that She is nothing but the inevitable certainty. Hillary - who is winning because she has not been indicted, cheats and is not Trump. Cannot make this stuff up.
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Trump reminds me of those serial killers who start making mistakes because, actually, they want police to catch and stop them. Deep inside, he's ambivalent... he's not really into winning. The problem is that his supporters clearly don't get it.
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Trump again has shown himself to be unequaled to the lowest of the low, of which there aren't any. And his followers continue to support him no matter what he says. The sad thing about his followers is that should he make it to the
White House, they will experience a rude awakening of which they have no clue.
White House, they will experience a rude awakening of which they have no clue.
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All the PC folks out there- stop getting your panties in a bunch. What he said is exactly what the 2nd admendment was written for. This is a government for the people , by the people. And God forbid anyone from our government become too oppressive and attempt to remove the people's rights.
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That means voting, not assassinating anyone who disagrees with you.
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So he did imply, shoot her?
Thanks Mr Trump for speaking your mind and letting all the world how smart you not are
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If I said this I would be arrested. He should be immediately. Inciting assassination is not OK.
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Trump's word salad is incoherent and repetitive. I checked the full transcript of yesterday's speech - http://time.com/4445813/donald-trump-second-amendment-speech/ - and was shocked at how the man does not use full sentences often, and when he does, they are short. He repeats phrases, interrupts himself, backtracks, and is repeating proven lies.
The threat against Hillary Clinton placed within the context of previous presidential or political assassinations should be taken seriously. As this column repeats, this was said within the context of shouted threats of violence from the crowd. Not just one, but several figures who support Trump have suggested that Hillary Clinton should be executed.
Disturbed minds seem to be found on both sides of Trump's podium and cameras.
The threat against Hillary Clinton placed within the context of previous presidential or political assassinations should be taken seriously. As this column repeats, this was said within the context of shouted threats of violence from the crowd. Not just one, but several figures who support Trump have suggested that Hillary Clinton should be executed.
Disturbed minds seem to be found on both sides of Trump's podium and cameras.
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Trump is a lying, ignorant, narcissistic, egomaniacal sociopath, to whom presidential power is just an irresistible tool of self-extension.
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Clinton is a lying, clever , narcissistic, egomaniacal sociopath, to whom presidential power is just an irresistible tool of self-extension.
I haven't seen such bluster and indignation since I quit looking at Fox News's comments. Please. NYT is making the Post look like an intellectual paradise.
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Everyone gets their drawers in a wad over what Trump says and they don't seem to care about how careless Hillary has been with emails, with lying, the state department ties to the foundations. It is a complete bias and dishonest press, that should hang its head in shame for not sticking to reporting accurate facts.
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Here's the problem with your argument. Trump says and does something dangerous and crazy almost every day. We've gone over and over emails and Bengazi. Ad nauseum. Nothing really crazy and damning there. Get it?
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The spineless Paul Ryan says Trump's `Second Amendment people' comment appears to be `a joke gone bad.' No, Mr. Ryan, you're the joke gone bad.
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Ryan is so ambitious to be president, maybe he's hoping to attain that goal by being third in line as Speaker.
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Lets be clear: Donald Trump is, and has been, inciting terrorism.
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Mr. Trump goes on to say: 'the bad guys aren’t going to be giving up their weapons'. Are you kidding? Would-be commander-in-chief is saying that bad guys will have it their way no matter what?
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You are clearly not of the same species as the rest of us. Criminals by definition don`t care about laws. What gun control law ever stopped a criminal from attempting a crime? None. Zilch. Nada.
We now live in a society where mass shootings by "radicalized" persons occur with regularity. Social media and the ubiquitous camera phone has allowed us to witness brutality and death by law enforcement and civilians. Currently, the President and other government officials at the federal, state, and local level have little they can or will do about the gun violence, instead offering tweets and prayers of sympathy to those impacted by horrific events.
I am more convinced each day that DJT is not interested in being president but the spotlight until November and subsequent speaking fees, book deals, and guest commentary appearances on media outlets after sustaining a huge loss. Either way he comes up smelling like roses. The problem for us is zealots with an ax to grind, as well as people who are disenfranchised and angry due to globalization, automation, and integration, won't cease after he achieves his objectives. His use of double entendre, in a political sense, to incite is uncouth. His language suggests he has no intention of governing the entire USA, only those who support him, should alarm everyone. This coarsening rhetoric is the love child of the Republicans abject disrespect of President Obama and the office from the 2008 election until now- which started with the "you lie!" outburst and the "one-term president" comment . How can they for the sake of the Republic, be silent in the climate they encouraged that puts us all, including Secretary Clinton, at risk?
I am more convinced each day that DJT is not interested in being president but the spotlight until November and subsequent speaking fees, book deals, and guest commentary appearances on media outlets after sustaining a huge loss. Either way he comes up smelling like roses. The problem for us is zealots with an ax to grind, as well as people who are disenfranchised and angry due to globalization, automation, and integration, won't cease after he achieves his objectives. His use of double entendre, in a political sense, to incite is uncouth. His language suggests he has no intention of governing the entire USA, only those who support him, should alarm everyone. This coarsening rhetoric is the love child of the Republicans abject disrespect of President Obama and the office from the 2008 election until now- which started with the "you lie!" outburst and the "one-term president" comment . How can they for the sake of the Republic, be silent in the climate they encouraged that puts us all, including Secretary Clinton, at risk?
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The Times and all the news media actually are fanning the flames of Donald Trump's call for 2nd Amendment activists to take action against Hillary Clinton, and do not make clear that Hillary is not calling for annulling the 2nd Amendment, but wants background checks and discontinuing sale of military type weapons to the public at large. Those both are reasonable requests and millions of people, even NRA members, agree. Why the media does not clarify what Hillary has said over and over and over strikes any reasonable mind as peculiar and suspicious of the media promoting news-making conflict.
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Further, he displays zero understanding of the process of repealing a constitutional amendment. This is Gov 101 and he has had plenty of time to learn the basics of what the Constitution says and how it is managed.
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Wow! The politicians who continue to support Trump after this statement are a real and dangerous threat to the country.
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"In a development which should surprise absolutely no one, the Communist Party USA is supporting Hillary Clinton for president. Funny how no one in the mainstream media is reporting this."AL"
How long will the Enabling of Trump go on? How long will we see GOP party leaders give him a wink and nod, while shrugging off his hate speech? How many times will Hannity, Giuliani and others tell us his latest comment is just 'a joke gone bad?' I guess this madness will endure until something terrible happens. Usually, I am not prone to fatalism. But, something terrible will happen at one of these rallies, or when a supporter decides to take the electoral process into his or her own hands.
As for the New York Times, it's time to stop soft-peddling the headlines. 'Donald Trump Suggests...' Suggests? Really? That's a nice way of saying he flippantly encouraged his gun-toting followers to snuff out a presidential candidate. I expect as much from the 24-hour cable news networks that are reliant upon the Trump Factor for ratings. I expect more from the Times.
As for the New York Times, it's time to stop soft-peddling the headlines. 'Donald Trump Suggests...' Suggests? Really? That's a nice way of saying he flippantly encouraged his gun-toting followers to snuff out a presidential candidate. I expect as much from the 24-hour cable news networks that are reliant upon the Trump Factor for ratings. I expect more from the Times.
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Unhinged.
A 70-year-old infant.
A 70-year-old infant.
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I know infants more mature.....
What Hillary said is ten times worse. There was no chance of her catching Obama in the 2008 primary but she said she was staying in the race because we all know what happened to Bobby Kennedy. The double standard of the NYT and Washington Post and other main stream media is ridiculous.
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Her statement, while unfortunate, was not an incitement to violence. Trumps's is, because of the wording and also his previous threatening statements. Clinton is not a girl scout; Trump is the least fit candidate for president in the history of the country.
He's trying to clarify that he meant "Get out and vote"?
That doesn't make any sense from the context, he said "IF she is elected president, there's nothing you can do", therefore the context of the follow-up is in a world where she's president, what on earth would voting against her mean?
His suggestion was clear, and their "reinterpretation" fails on basic logical grounds.
That doesn't make any sense from the context, he said "IF she is elected president, there's nothing you can do", therefore the context of the follow-up is in a world where she's president, what on earth would voting against her mean?
His suggestion was clear, and their "reinterpretation" fails on basic logical grounds.
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“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Doesn't the second amendment talk about violently overthrowing the government? Isn't it clear that he is clearly referencing this? Isn't this the guy that said he could 'shoot a guy in the face in the middle of Time Square and still not lose any support'?
Doesn't the second amendment talk about violently overthrowing the government? Isn't it clear that he is clearly referencing this? Isn't this the guy that said he could 'shoot a guy in the face in the middle of Time Square and still not lose any support'?
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The plague that struck Athens and killed the Great Democratic Leader Pericles in 430 B.C. wasn't as bad for Athens as a Donald Trump presidency will be for the United States. To put this into prospective, after Pericles died from the plague, the once great Athenian empire had a series of wars it was led into by leaders like Donald Trump (rich demagogues), leading to the complete destruction of the Athenian empire and the subjugation of the Athenian population by the Peloponnesian League (Sparta, Corinth, etc) and the Persians (modern Iranians.)
What will happen to the United States will make the death of Pericles look like a blip on the historical radar.
What will happen to the United States will make the death of Pericles look like a blip on the historical radar.
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First he asks another country to spy on us, now he asks people to kill Mrs. Clinton. What will it take for law enforcement and national security people to get involved? And I am sick to death of "America's Mayor" - which is a bunch of malarkey - doing all he can to stoke the fire.
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This is clearly a left wing conspiracy to destroy Mr. Trump by attending his public meetings, recording what he says and then publishing those comments word for word. #So unfair.
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Even for one who chose to overlook what was coming out of this New York wise guy's mouth up until now, Trump has crossed a line by suggesting that some NRA fanatic might be able to "remove" Hillary Clinton should she get in the way. "I was just joking," a typical response to being called for some outrageous remark, should not be in the phrase book of serious people. If one wishes to reserve that right, then stay out of politics.
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Let's not forget the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin 21 years ago. Ultra-nationalists led by future Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu provoked violence with hate speech. Posters of Rabin wearing a Nazi SS uniform or being the target in the cross-hairs of a sniper were seen at many demonstrations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MTx8O_1hzU
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The media has neglected to include the most incriminating part of the quote --which makes Trump's violent suggestion eminently clear. Right after he said the part about the 2d amendment people taking care of it, he said that would be a horrible day for America. If he'd meant the NRA would use their bullying lobby techniques or their get out the voter techniques --he'd think it was a great day. It's the part about it being a horrible day for America that makes his darker suggestion clear.
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I have a fantasy...that I am in the Oak Room of the Plaza Hotel in NYC, that I see Trump leaning on the bar talking to a fan, that I walk up to Trump and punch him hard enough to break his jaw.
If Jeb Bush had done that in the debate where Trump insulted his wife, Jeb would have become President. Even I would have voted for him. What a missed opportunity! That would have shut up Trump for good and shamed him in front of the entire world!
If Jeb Bush had done that in the debate where Trump insulted his wife, Jeb would have become President. Even I would have voted for him. What a missed opportunity! That would have shut up Trump for good and shamed him in front of the entire world!
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I guess this is just a natural extension of "telling it like it is".
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Twisting Trumps words definitely serves a useful purpose for Clinton and the media. It helps hide her having the father of the Orlando gunman right behind her in the VIP section of her rally. This is a man who has a TV show that attacks gays, supports the Taliban and is hostile to the U.S. Yet he is adamantly pro-Hillary. Wonder why? And I wonder why she is so close to him.
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Talk about deflection.
This is about Trump publicly suggesting that someone take out Hillary.
The Orlando gunman's father has nothing to do with this, but since you brought it up, he said he was saddened by his son's actions.
This is about Trump publicly suggesting that someone take out Hillary.
The Orlando gunman's father has nothing to do with this, but since you brought it up, he said he was saddened by his son's actions.
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VIP section? No, sir.
From CNN:
A Clinton aide said: "The rally was a 3,000-person, open-door event for the public. This individual wasn't invited as a guest and the campaign was unaware of his attendance until after the event."
Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill later issued a statement saying, "Hillary Clinton disagrees with his views and disavows his support.
"http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/orlando-gunman-father-clinton/ind...
From CNN:
A Clinton aide said: "The rally was a 3,000-person, open-door event for the public. This individual wasn't invited as a guest and the campaign was unaware of his attendance until after the event."
Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill later issued a statement saying, "Hillary Clinton disagrees with his views and disavows his support.
"http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/orlando-gunman-father-clinton/ind...
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Just asking questions are we, Donald?
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Somebody better check Trump out. He acts and speaks like a mobster. Trump being in construction business for a very long time, you
can expect he has some ties with the mafia. Surely, this guy has skeletons buried under those buildings he built.
But at least the mafia operates quietly and silently. Trump needs plenty of keopectate for his stinking diarrheal mouth.
can expect he has some ties with the mafia. Surely, this guy has skeletons buried under those buildings he built.
But at least the mafia operates quietly and silently. Trump needs plenty of keopectate for his stinking diarrheal mouth.
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Thank you!
Surely this last spew of hatred will sink his campaign.
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Trump should be arrested and prosecuted for inciting violence. End of story!
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At what point does Trump's reckless utterances become subject to criminal investigation? Why can't Hillary Clinton file a complaint to the Justice Dept, Secret Service, or whoever?
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I just wonder at what point the authorities would arrest this man.
Surely the secret service have become concerned about some of his antics? I'd think it highly inappropriate if they haven't...
Trump has clearly crossed the line now. Everyone knows what he meant, and he should be arrested. There is no question about it.
I don't think he has any intention of running for president. He just wants to destroy the democratic process, and create as much havoc as he can.
The only question that comes to mind is "Why?"
Surely the secret service have become concerned about some of his antics? I'd think it highly inappropriate if they haven't...
Trump has clearly crossed the line now. Everyone knows what he meant, and he should be arrested. There is no question about it.
I don't think he has any intention of running for president. He just wants to destroy the democratic process, and create as much havoc as he can.
The only question that comes to mind is "Why?"
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Maybe he is an Anarchist?
Because he's an anarchist.
I listened to that speech attached to this article, and to me it said "get out and vote for me, not her". There was no suggestion of anything else. And I'm not going to vote for Trump. The NYT seem to be doing to Trump that it did to Sanders, but on steroids.
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But somehow this is a common theme with many of today's Republicans -- Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle, now Donald Trump -- all insinuating with varying degrees of suggestiveness (some would say cowardice) -- that opposition politicians ought to be gunned down.
In 1994, Senator Jesse Helms said of the President: "Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He'd better have a bodyguard." By "here" he meant the state of North Carolina. Conservatives can try and spin this all they want, and talk about context and setting, but even Helms apologized and said "I made a mistake last evening which I shall not repeat, ...". Bob Dole, Gen. Shalikashvili, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and many other senior Republicans called Helms out.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/23/us/helms-takes-new-swipe-at-clinton-th...
Today, we have the nauseating spectacle of Rudy Giuliani not just not criticizing, but doubling down on Trump's hateful words. I would say this is shameful, but that is no use when talking of one who has no shame.
On the other hand, Trump's actions ARE criminal, and AG Loretta Lynch needs to haul him before a judge. Let him explain himself there.