Always the self-applause...
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I was going ti vote for Senator Sanders then I found out he nwver acually was a Democrat.
For the past 30 plus years Sanders has been a proud Independent who would never want to be soioed with the. Democratic name.
But, after 30 plus years as THE independent in America Mr. Sanders hadn't done a single thing that might help him stage a Preaidential run sobhe thought he could waltz in and claim to be a Democrat and get all the Democrats to roll over backwarda for him and treat him the same as a real lifelong, proud tireless Democrat like HRC.
It must be nice to live in Oz with Bernie and his supporters.
For the past 30 plus years Sanders has been a proud Independent who would never want to be soioed with the. Democratic name.
But, after 30 plus years as THE independent in America Mr. Sanders hadn't done a single thing that might help him stage a Preaidential run sobhe thought he could waltz in and claim to be a Democrat and get all the Democrats to roll over backwarda for him and treat him the same as a real lifelong, proud tireless Democrat like HRC.
It must be nice to live in Oz with Bernie and his supporters.
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July 27, 2016
The structural architecture defines our democratic conventions process with settling the rules in play for resolution towards resolving the nation's decision to bring our leadership to fruition - and both parties did demonstrative success in making process move forward. Yet what we see and then again it more about what is much not said - ah, beauty in the eye of the behold the old adage. However, a glided rose serves some minds as fantasy while the natural vegetation is its own nutrients for nourishment towards what's healthy course for direction the body politics to accomplish the tasks and challenges that will offer the growth for all the believe in the transparent human dignity grounded in earth's garden - if not paradise - at least not the fires of despair's toxic blindness.....
( At near joy the road the Clinton courtship gives the great clue to America's poetics - and surely a Walt Whitman and NYT Editors want to celebrate loving truths shared in our American families.)
jja Manhattan, N. Y.
The structural architecture defines our democratic conventions process with settling the rules in play for resolution towards resolving the nation's decision to bring our leadership to fruition - and both parties did demonstrative success in making process move forward. Yet what we see and then again it more about what is much not said - ah, beauty in the eye of the behold the old adage. However, a glided rose serves some minds as fantasy while the natural vegetation is its own nutrients for nourishment towards what's healthy course for direction the body politics to accomplish the tasks and challenges that will offer the growth for all the believe in the transparent human dignity grounded in earth's garden - if not paradise - at least not the fires of despair's toxic blindness.....
( At near joy the road the Clinton courtship gives the great clue to America's poetics - and surely a Walt Whitman and NYT Editors want to celebrate loving truths shared in our American families.)
jja Manhattan, N. Y.
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WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE: Huge problem with Ms Wasserman-Schultz's behavior
#1 We don't really have any idea even now, of how extensive this misbehavior was. This was alleged, and pretty much known almost from the beginning of the campaign. The only thing we have now is a limited amount of evidence
If people can be sent to prison for violating Election-Finance laws, what is the appropriate penalty here?
#2 How big of an impact this had, especially since it is obvious that from Day-One, Ms Schultz & Co. was not behaving impartially.
Did it have a big enough impact that it denied Mr. Sanders a nomination win, that he would have gotten otherwise?
Like many things, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to know, and we are stuck with
* Fait accompli
* Toothpaste & Tube problem
{Sadly, these two issues come up constantly with elections & shenanigans, the two worst known examples of all time are probably JFK's win over Nixon, and Reagan's October-Surprise}
#1 We don't really have any idea even now, of how extensive this misbehavior was. This was alleged, and pretty much known almost from the beginning of the campaign. The only thing we have now is a limited amount of evidence
If people can be sent to prison for violating Election-Finance laws, what is the appropriate penalty here?
#2 How big of an impact this had, especially since it is obvious that from Day-One, Ms Schultz & Co. was not behaving impartially.
Did it have a big enough impact that it denied Mr. Sanders a nomination win, that he would have gotten otherwise?
Like many things, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to know, and we are stuck with
* Fait accompli
* Toothpaste & Tube problem
{Sadly, these two issues come up constantly with elections & shenanigans, the two worst known examples of all time are probably JFK's win over Nixon, and Reagan's October-Surprise}
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Keep up the chaos, they deserve it.
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It may be true that Ms. Rodham-Clinton is not a "natural" campaigner - but out of a field that once held 20 candidates, only one did the crucial work of defining issues and prescribing policy solutions. Only one! And she is the Democratic nominee. Why is this never discussed? Shouldn't EVERY candidate have policy prescriptions BEFORE they run? Who do we want in the White House - the brilliant campaigner, or the brilliant problem-solver?
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Calling it democracy doesn't make it democracy. You can't put enough lipstick on that pig to make it so.
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Donald Trump will not make America great again.
Donald Trump cannot make America great again.
Donald Trump does not know what has ever made America great, or what makes America great now.
All Donald Trump is capable of doing is diminishing America, maybe even destroying America.
Donald Trump has never made anything great. All he's ever done is make anything he's ever touched sleazy.
Donald Trump can't even make himself great. He merely self-aggrandizes.
Maybe Donald Trump can also aggrandize Putin. In Putin's own mind.
Donald Trump cannot make America great again.
Donald Trump does not know what has ever made America great, or what makes America great now.
All Donald Trump is capable of doing is diminishing America, maybe even destroying America.
Donald Trump has never made anything great. All he's ever done is make anything he's ever touched sleazy.
Donald Trump can't even make himself great. He merely self-aggrandizes.
Maybe Donald Trump can also aggrandize Putin. In Putin's own mind.
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Locking people out because they disagree with you? Pulling their credentials because they disagree with you? Getting voters kicked off the voting rolls to enhance you chance of winning? This is democracy Clinton style!
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We have to unite to stop Trump, but we will not forget that the DNC was biased. That was a violation of our democracy. We want and we need free and FAIR elections.
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Clinton is counting on getting a pass and he staffer said it best. They are so stupid we could do it in from of them. They has such short memories by November they will forget.
Unfortunately, our collective memory seems even shorter than that!
Unfortunately, our collective memory seems even shorter than that!
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Bernie Sanders is the most dignified and sincere politician in America.
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"Democracy is messy" as a quote properly attributed to Donald Rumsfeld during the dark days of Iraqi reconstruction. Bernie appropriated it and you geniuses missed it. But I'm sure if some Republican ever passed wind in church that you have it on the record somewhere.
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actually, Rumsfeld couldn't have been the first. I've heard that phrasing all my life.
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Sanders was a proud Independent for 30 plus years.
And in all that time managed to do absolutely nothing to make his Independent party a recognizable self funding party capable of assembling an apparatus that could sustain a focused Indeoendent Presidential run.
So, what did he do?
Said he was a Democrat in 2015 and wanted Democrats to welcome him with open arms.
The same Democrats proud Independent Sanders wouldn't soil his name by associatng with.
Now his supporters whine because the DNC didn't treat him like the lifelong Democrat HRC has always been.
It's called life boys 'n girls...and sometimes its tough.
And in all that time managed to do absolutely nothing to make his Independent party a recognizable self funding party capable of assembling an apparatus that could sustain a focused Indeoendent Presidential run.
So, what did he do?
Said he was a Democrat in 2015 and wanted Democrats to welcome him with open arms.
The same Democrats proud Independent Sanders wouldn't soil his name by associatng with.
Now his supporters whine because the DNC didn't treat him like the lifelong Democrat HRC has always been.
It's called life boys 'n girls...and sometimes its tough.
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The Berniebusters had unmitigated gall so rudely disrupting Democratic Convention, when they are not Democrats and their hero Bernie a loudly-proclaimed Socialist who overnight opportunistically became a latter-day Democrat because he realized he hadn't a prayer of winning as a Socialist. Berniebusters should save their ire for their own Socialist and Green Party conventions. Hillary has decades of paying her Democratic dues, whereas Bernie can only claim a concession speech during which followers behaved like yahoos.
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The most important part of this election is the Congressional and governorship races. A lot of people like to split their votes between the parties to guarantee checks and balances, not giving total power to one party or the other. Normally, that might be a wise decision, but in this environment, it only ensures more budget gridlock, more scandal investigations and endless hearings, more important legislation locked up in committee, more brinksmanship on the national debt, more Supreme Court and federal judge, even Cabinet, appointments blocked, more states refusing to participate in federal healthcare programs and resisting enforcement of Supreme Court decisions. In other words, more chaos and little or nothing done to solve problems and help Americans live better. Even with a bare, fillibuster-proof majority of Democrats in the Senate and a Democratic president, the going will be slow. But without it, I can't imagine a President Clinton getting more from Congress than bills so compromised and full of loopholes as to be virtually worthless.
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When some folks rail about "how corrupt the system is" I always remember what Mark Twain once said---"There's two things you shouldn't watch being made. One is sausage and the other is laws". He could have easily substituted "politics" for "laws". Democracy is not clean or pretty or politically correct all the time and shouldn't be. It can bring out the best in us and the worst too but that's because at its roots democracy is about human beings with all their hopes and all their flaws. And democracy has a habit of bringing out those flaws because people feel so strongly. But it is still democracy the best and greatest form of government in the best and greatest nation on Earth no matter what Donald Trump thinks or says.
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How many other Americans waited breathlessly for Bill's confession to misdeeds as he began his tribute to his wife. Try as he might to portray himself as an idealistic smitten young law student smitten by idealistic wonk Hillary, simultaneously smitten by him, many of us could not shake what we know of their sordid history. And what to our dismay we did hear was a taste of how the Clinton history will be washed of any truth or honesty once the Clintons return to spin their biographies in the White House.
Gone will then be the impeachment scandal, gone the legal settlements out of court with Bill's bimbos. Gone too any images of the Clintons evoking fictional characters, like the utterly corrupt, dishonest, and ruthless Frank and Claire Underwood in the TV series "House of Cards."
Gone will then be the impeachment scandal, gone the legal settlements out of court with Bill's bimbos. Gone too any images of the Clintons evoking fictional characters, like the utterly corrupt, dishonest, and ruthless Frank and Claire Underwood in the TV series "House of Cards."
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The Bernie or Busters are starting to remind me of suicide bombers. Like jihadists, they are uncompromisingly rabid about their cause, make lots of enemies when they kill some people, and in the end, destroy their own future.
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I would love to embrace Hillary as the nominee, and to rally behind her for November. But I simply can't move past the frankly callous display of favoritism by the DNC that helped her achieve the nomination.
Sure, she got "millions of votes" more than Bernie, in a specious apples-to-oranges sort of argument, but that's really immaterial to the larger issue. When sports stars are found to have been doping, they are stripped of their titles, without concern for whether they might have won without PEDs. Because fairness and prevention of recurrence demands so.
Why would we apply a different standard to Clinton and the DNC? Perhaps Hillary would have done just as well without the DNC's finger on the scale, but that's entirely beside the point. She should be disqualified.
Sure, she got "millions of votes" more than Bernie, in a specious apples-to-oranges sort of argument, but that's really immaterial to the larger issue. When sports stars are found to have been doping, they are stripped of their titles, without concern for whether they might have won without PEDs. Because fairness and prevention of recurrence demands so.
Why would we apply a different standard to Clinton and the DNC? Perhaps Hillary would have done just as well without the DNC's finger on the scale, but that's entirely beside the point. She should be disqualified.
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A healthy political party is like a healthy family. There has to be honesty, trust, fairness and a willingness to listen even when it's something you might not like to hear. And members of a political party, just like a family, must understand that there is no guarantee that you will get everything you want all the time. There has to be some level of fairly arrived at compromise and understanding. I suppose in the end each of us have to make a hard choice about whether there is more benefit from the things we have in common in deciding whether to stay with the family or march off alone in search of something else.
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Yes, this is what a healthy democracy looks like. We can't have everybody march lockstep which the DNC would prefer as demonstration of party unity. People have a right to disagree and express their disagreement. It was noisy and heated. Feelings were bruised, but at least nobody got hurt. In contrast, Trump's rallies resemble the Nuremberg rallies of 1930s Germany where dissenters were beaten up and ejected.
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Thank you, Senator Sanders. You have much to be proud of. The struggle continues!
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I didn't realize that Democracy was supposed to include a political party trying to rig an election.
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@bc
I didn't realize Democracy meant the involvement of Russian hackers.
Guess we're both even.
I didn't realize Democracy meant the involvement of Russian hackers.
Guess we're both even.
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Well put
Yeah, right...
Just like this is what prosperity and full employment look like...
Just like this is what prosperity and full employment look like...
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I voted for Bernie because I wanted to move the Democratic Party to the left, towards his ideas, but not because I wanted Bernie to be our nominee. I am sure I was not the only one who believed Hillary was our strongest candidate, but voted for Bernie for other reasons. Keep that in mind when you count the primary votes.
Hillary was and is the strongest candidate for the reasons made so evident last night: she has been constantly engaged, effectively engaged, in making the lives of Americans better. No other candidate in either party could tell the same story.
I respect the idealism that Bernie galvanized, yet the Bernie-or-bust reaction is naive. The independents, the centrists, do not tend to vote for ideals; they will be moved either by the tangible fears and hatreds Trump evokes, or the tangible anecdotes about Hillary like the ones we heard last night. They will choose between an image of strength or an image of competence.
There is much more to a presidential nomination than the primaries. Hillary's success reflected years of hard work within the party, of building relationships, of working as part of the team. Naturally, long-time Democrats were predisposed to support her, rather than an opponent who stood apart from the party for almost his entire career. This is not corruption; this is part of what makes democracy work.
Hillary was and is the strongest candidate for the reasons made so evident last night: she has been constantly engaged, effectively engaged, in making the lives of Americans better. No other candidate in either party could tell the same story.
I respect the idealism that Bernie galvanized, yet the Bernie-or-bust reaction is naive. The independents, the centrists, do not tend to vote for ideals; they will be moved either by the tangible fears and hatreds Trump evokes, or the tangible anecdotes about Hillary like the ones we heard last night. They will choose between an image of strength or an image of competence.
There is much more to a presidential nomination than the primaries. Hillary's success reflected years of hard work within the party, of building relationships, of working as part of the team. Naturally, long-time Democrats were predisposed to support her, rather than an opponent who stood apart from the party for almost his entire career. This is not corruption; this is part of what makes democracy work.
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Bernie Sanders was a rough loss - one that me and my fellow millennials will mourn - but, in the end, we have two other candidates (four if you count 3rd party candidates). It's going to be a rough, brutal, ugly race to November, but it's essential to pay attention and know who you're voting for. Both the RNC and DNC convention speakers make their candidate look nice, but it's important to remember who's who. Who said what prior in the primaries? Who can handle our foreign affairs better? Some may say Trump. Some may say Clinton. I say that you're going to have to fight for your candidate, because like it or not, the election is still close. I don't see the liberals being all that united, because there are still many people going to third party nominees (along with the small sector of Bernie voters switching to Trump). The whole political spectrum is quite divisive right now.
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No, this is what a Plutocracy looks like and this is what happens as an attempt by the Oligarchy to make it look like a democracy.
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For democracy to work, people need to accept the decisions made by the voters after the debates have ended. No one gets everything they want. Everyone has to compromise. In the GOP in recent years, that respect for the democratic process and the consequent need to compromise has been shamefully absent. After the election, if the Trump candidacy is the debacle I expect, perhaps the GOP will resurrect itself as a constructive participant in national governance. If not, it should die a quiet death to be replaced by something better.
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Dissent was patriotic ... now hand over your Bernie sign and hold our corporately sponsored Hilary sign. That's not what democracy looks like.
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The campaign is about HRC not us. Us had our votes negated by super delegate rigged game and dirty tricks by the party.
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And if Bernie would have won the primaries his supporters would be cheering all the way thru this convention, super delegates or not. The system in place is the system we have right now. If people want to change the rules for the next election then they have four years to do that. So stop whining and figure out how to make that change.
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Has any presidential candidate been demonized and vilified as has Hillary Clinton? Absolutely not, at least not at the personal level to which she has been subjected. The "Bernie or Bust" protestors, most of whom I imagine were born long after the Civil Rights and Viet Nam anti-war protests, need to focus their energy on electing Hillary Clinton as the next and first woman president of the United States. I'm getting old, I guess, when I say that little good results from a "revolution." People get hurt, and the aftermath is usually worse than what preceded it. Measured and incremental change may not have the same drama and flair, but that's what we need. Bernie Sanders (for whom I voted in the Oregon primary) has a progressive platform. Now is the time for everyone to return home to knock on doors and make the calls for Hillary.
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No good comes from a revolution? What country do you live in? Google 'American Revolution ' if you will. Britain did not let go its empire easily. Do you think Canada or Australia would be free without Washington and Gandhi?
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What do Washington and Ghandi have to do with Canada and Australia. Both of them negotiated their independence long after Washington and before Ghandi.
Truly uplifting, I am so hopeful.
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Yes, Bernie has shown what he is made of in all this. Faced with the devilish choice between Trump and Clinton most of us will hold our noses and vote Clinton. But please don't twist it into wine and roses because it's not. As one comedian I saw on TV described this choice, Hillary is like a migraine headache that will go away in four years, while Trump is metastasizing cancer that could kill the American system itself.
I've been politically aware since 1968 and voting Democrat since 1976. One thing is for sure. After the large number of rejected comments I submitted to this paper, censored because of my support for Sanders while an overwhelming number of pro-Clinton posts inevitably made it in, I'll never trust this paper again like I did before. I'll never trust MSNBC like I did before because of the clear biases they showed. And I'll never trust the DNC like I did before. And Clinton is still going to lose.
I've been politically aware since 1968 and voting Democrat since 1976. One thing is for sure. After the large number of rejected comments I submitted to this paper, censored because of my support for Sanders while an overwhelming number of pro-Clinton posts inevitably made it in, I'll never trust this paper again like I did before. I'll never trust MSNBC like I did before because of the clear biases they showed. And I'll never trust the DNC like I did before. And Clinton is still going to lose.
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In my view, your inability to accept that your guy simply lost, together with your conspiracy theorizing, doesn't show what I would call political awareness.
Quite the contrary. It suggests that you need to get out more.
Quite the contrary. It suggests that you need to get out more.
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@dan
Sorry. Your comment gave me a migrane headache with its relentlessly hateful analogies.
Why not just come out and admit it?? --You're going to vote for that racist Trump.
And if by chance he wins, the rest of the world will be the one holding its nose.
Sorry. Your comment gave me a migrane headache with its relentlessly hateful analogies.
Why not just come out and admit it?? --You're going to vote for that racist Trump.
And if by chance he wins, the rest of the world will be the one holding its nose.
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Conspiracy??? Have you seen the news lately?
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I haven't read all of the comments here, but have seen quite a few from former Sanders supporters that have been so positive in their admission that they are willing to support Hillary Clinton. It makes me happy that this seems to be happening more and more, that Bernie went out with class, style and intelligence, and that he was treated with respect and even admiration at the convention.
I think it must have been very hard for some to come to this conclusion and to display their change of heart in the NYT. Thank you; I am so glad that there are more of us to stave off Trump!
For what it's worth, I would like you to know that I would have totally supported Bernie if he had been the nominee. I hope you would have welcomed me despite my misgivings about Sanders.
I hope you can influence the remaining holdouts that this is the better path.
I think it must have been very hard for some to come to this conclusion and to display their change of heart in the NYT. Thank you; I am so glad that there are more of us to stave off Trump!
For what it's worth, I would like you to know that I would have totally supported Bernie if he had been the nominee. I hope you would have welcomed me despite my misgivings about Sanders.
I hope you can influence the remaining holdouts that this is the better path.
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I haven't watched a convention since being horrified in 1968 watching Daley's finest clubbing peaceful demonstrators. I watched this Democratic convention and couldn't stop. Despite myself, I was actually inspired by the graciousness, eloquence, and adult behavior of all the principal speechmakers (if not of all the delegates). I am really not interested in personalities but in policies and platforms. This Democratic platform is about as positive as anything that could realistically be expected to win on a national level in these polarized times. The alternative is unthinkably destructive. Time to support the Democratic platform in every way possible.
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I wish the Times -- the progressive mouthpiece -- would stick to truths instead of simply outrageous misrepresentations. This column is one, the op-ed on women being paid less than men for the same job, another. The climate change is settled science myth -- the cops hunting blacks lie -- the Obamacare is wonderful lie -- the canard that those against immigration are racists -- I could go on. It would be nice if the EB and op-ed writers would stick to truth, as close as they can, the constant stream of untruths is not only off putting -- you guys are like the little boy (hope that's not sexist) who cried wolf. Pretty soon no one will believe you.
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Hey, I'd like it if you guys would actually read the stuff you wail about, but I don't really expect that to happen at this or any point.
Or to be fair, you could be functionally illterate. Certainly you've somehow managed to completely miss little things like, for example, the many "fair and balanced," discussions of the PPACA. Oops, "Obamacare," I forgot that you's no idea what that is.
This also just in: when the topic comes up, the Times tends to take wacko left wing positions on the expanding universe and the heliocentric solar system, not to mention evolution.
Sorry.
Or to be fair, you could be functionally illterate. Certainly you've somehow managed to completely miss little things like, for example, the many "fair and balanced," discussions of the PPACA. Oops, "Obamacare," I forgot that you's no idea what that is.
This also just in: when the topic comes up, the Times tends to take wacko left wing positions on the expanding universe and the heliocentric solar system, not to mention evolution.
Sorry.
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Boy Robert, are you sour. You didn't refute a single point, but once again, you fall back on the lefty favorite, the ad hominem attack, if you know what that means. Much easier than facts of course.
Also, positions on the expanding universe and the heliocentric (nice big word by the way) solar system really have little impact on policy, nor does evolution. However, the lefty canards I named, and there are others, do influence voters, particularly those like yourself who few apparent critical thinking skills.
Also, positions on the expanding universe and the heliocentric (nice big word by the way) solar system really have little impact on policy, nor does evolution. However, the lefty canards I named, and there are others, do influence voters, particularly those like yourself who few apparent critical thinking skills.
Ralphie, you are asking the Times to stick to truths when your comments show that you cannot accept real facts yourself. As a scientist, I can tell you that the facts of climate change and evolution are settled. It would be irresponsible to report otherwise. Those against immigration are racists. Well there is no doubt that Donald Trump is a racist and that racism is use to foment anti-immigrant policies and vice versa. It is ironic that your comments are a perfect of 'outrageous misrepresentations' that you accuse the Times of having.
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Democracy? Fixing the nomination for Clinton by the DNC and CLinton is democracy? Seriously. The Times just proved how out of touch they are with the people, fair play, and our Constitution. Please go out of business because you add nothing but lies and a love of corruption to the discussion.
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I would have been disappointed if you didn't bring the Constitution into the discussion of the DNC convention. Tripping over talking points when you go through such contortions is dangerous.
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I am disgusted by the tone of some of the comments on here. To seriously ask me to expect that 'eh this is what democracy is like' and sweep corruption and scandal under the carpet as if it's just a tiny misstep and get back to the same old Democrat "yay" vs republican "boo" rhetoric is contemptible. To ignore they fact that the DNC was prepared to do their own bidding and ignore the will of the people is indicative of what is to come in Washington if heaven forbid they control all branches of government. No amount of gushing speeches and glossing it over at the convention can cover the ugly truth about the self serving establishment elitists that really run our country.
Not that I will vote for trump but at least the republican establishment now know what their voters think of them.
As for me, the DNC can do without my vote.
Not that I will vote for trump but at least the republican establishment now know what their voters think of them.
As for me, the DNC can do without my vote.
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Withtthe vitriol of hate and darkness put forth at the RNC convention, the only elements missing were the outstretched right arms and a band of brown-shirted thugs. Trump's history of filing lawsuits every time his feelings are hurt tells us what a thug and a dictator he will be. Any shred of democracy will wilt under his watch.
His campaign manager has disavowed any connection to Putin or the oligarchs who have invested in Trump's projects. Yet the evidence is irrefutable that it was Manefort and his lobbying group who made the inroads through Putin to find those investors, the very investors Donald Jr. referred to in a 2008 interview as a "disproportionate" number of Russian investors in Trump projects.
Hopefully, the Hillary campaign will connect the dots between the Russians and Trump's suggestion he may turn his back on the Baltic nations in danger of invasion by Putin's army. Rest assured, Putin intends to "rescue and liberate" the people of Soviet/Russian heritage in those countries. He wants to reunite Russia with lost territories.
A victory for Trump will be a humanitarian catastrophe in the Baltics. It will be the equivelant of Trump handing over the keys to the back doors of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
His campaign manager has disavowed any connection to Putin or the oligarchs who have invested in Trump's projects. Yet the evidence is irrefutable that it was Manefort and his lobbying group who made the inroads through Putin to find those investors, the very investors Donald Jr. referred to in a 2008 interview as a "disproportionate" number of Russian investors in Trump projects.
Hopefully, the Hillary campaign will connect the dots between the Russians and Trump's suggestion he may turn his back on the Baltic nations in danger of invasion by Putin's army. Rest assured, Putin intends to "rescue and liberate" the people of Soviet/Russian heritage in those countries. He wants to reunite Russia with lost territories.
A victory for Trump will be a humanitarian catastrophe in the Baltics. It will be the equivelant of Trump handing over the keys to the back doors of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
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Ignorant and heartless voters overwhelming smart and decent ones.
This is indeed what democracy looks like.
This is indeed what democracy looks like.
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It's sad that you don't have the good sense to panic when it's time to panic.
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Do the senior editors of the NY Times know any non-affluent people? There are some of your most popular verified commenters who have been homeless, some who know the American lack of a rudimentary welfare state.
100 million Americans are living precariously; 30 million have fallen, a million are homeless schoolchildren.
Your Democrat convention is full of Hillary the saint for children. Reality is that the Clintons abolished Aid to Families with Dependent Children, "ending welfare as we know it," consigning millions of children to extreme poverty.
It is well that the new New York Times is oriented towards your upmarket readers and you no longer want your downmarket readers. You ooze self-satisfaction yet you are brain-dead to the rejection of status quo politics, utterly incapable of understanding how a Trump could beat Hillary.
Trump beats Hillary because you, the Times, are dead to American poverty.
Go to a foodbank you bourgeois hypocrites. The Times is dead.
100 million Americans are living precariously; 30 million have fallen, a million are homeless schoolchildren.
Your Democrat convention is full of Hillary the saint for children. Reality is that the Clintons abolished Aid to Families with Dependent Children, "ending welfare as we know it," consigning millions of children to extreme poverty.
It is well that the new New York Times is oriented towards your upmarket readers and you no longer want your downmarket readers. You ooze self-satisfaction yet you are brain-dead to the rejection of status quo politics, utterly incapable of understanding how a Trump could beat Hillary.
Trump beats Hillary because you, the Times, are dead to American poverty.
Go to a foodbank you bourgeois hypocrites. The Times is dead.
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Sen. Sanders’ supporters are passionate and wanted him to win but I don’t understand the outrage about the DNCs role in the election. Aside from the fact that the committee’s function is to put forward and support a candidate they think will win, I can’t imagine anything that would have been worse for his candidacy that the warm embrace of the party elites.
Their support would have tainted his image as an outsider and change agent without providing much benefit. He was still able to raise and spend as much money during the primary as his opponent. He got as much press coverage and it was often more focused on his message. He had a much louder megaphone than he would have had if he had had to be concerned about being a team player and he used it to harshly critique the party hierarchy as well as his opponent.
Regret is understandable but he came in second because he did not convince enough Democratic voters he could do more good as President than as a senator.
Their support would have tainted his image as an outsider and change agent without providing much benefit. He was still able to raise and spend as much money during the primary as his opponent. He got as much press coverage and it was often more focused on his message. He had a much louder megaphone than he would have had if he had had to be concerned about being a team player and he used it to harshly critique the party hierarchy as well as his opponent.
Regret is understandable but he came in second because he did not convince enough Democratic voters he could do more good as President than as a senator.
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Wanting it both ways seems to be an underlying theme in many a comment from Sander's supporters.
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Generally, when you don't know what you're doing ... quit doing it. The draftsmen of the US Constitution must have realized that they did an acceptable job of crafting a national government based on three branches, moderately independent of one another yet still joined at the hip. But the draftsmen had no idea how candidates for the newly-created offices should or would be chosen. Accordingly, and consequently, they left it to the American people to devise the pipelines through which candidates for office would be selected. Playground rules are allowed in our primary processes ... sometimes with expectedly unexpected results. We're OK ... this is just how Americans do this thing.
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"But she won millions more votes than Mr. Sanders, & this week, this campaign, this party, now belong to her."
Spoken like true Hillary Clinton supporters. Goldman Sachs, & for that matter, Citizens United, couldn't have said it better.
This primary was all about "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely" or "some more equal than others."
So Hillary "won"? I'm reminded of Al Gore congratulating Bush "on becoming president" (i.e., not on "winning"). Hillary got the nomination, but the process was too tainted in my book to call this "winning." For winning to have occurred, Debbie Schultz Wasserman's shenanigans must not have. & that she is being rewarded by Hillary w/ a new job perhaps irreparably taints the Clinton candidacy).
The whole attack on Citizens United, Goldman Sachs, & "too big to fail" (the logic of which is echoed to a t in the decision not to prosecute Hillary over the emails, amid consensus that smaller players guilty of the same conduct would have been prosecuted), is about some become do powerful through money or proximity to political power that they are 'above the law' or use their disproportionate influence to skew the democratic process. If Wasserman/DNC cohorts don't personify this, I don't know who/what does.
Paradoxically, I still hope Clinton wins while hoping and waiting for the reckoning. But for starters, get rid of Wasserman, retain a shred of integrity & fairness to Sanders, or probably lose my vote.
Spoken like true Hillary Clinton supporters. Goldman Sachs, & for that matter, Citizens United, couldn't have said it better.
This primary was all about "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely" or "some more equal than others."
So Hillary "won"? I'm reminded of Al Gore congratulating Bush "on becoming president" (i.e., not on "winning"). Hillary got the nomination, but the process was too tainted in my book to call this "winning." For winning to have occurred, Debbie Schultz Wasserman's shenanigans must not have. & that she is being rewarded by Hillary w/ a new job perhaps irreparably taints the Clinton candidacy).
The whole attack on Citizens United, Goldman Sachs, & "too big to fail" (the logic of which is echoed to a t in the decision not to prosecute Hillary over the emails, amid consensus that smaller players guilty of the same conduct would have been prosecuted), is about some become do powerful through money or proximity to political power that they are 'above the law' or use their disproportionate influence to skew the democratic process. If Wasserman/DNC cohorts don't personify this, I don't know who/what does.
Paradoxically, I still hope Clinton wins while hoping and waiting for the reckoning. But for starters, get rid of Wasserman, retain a shred of integrity & fairness to Sanders, or probably lose my vote.
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"It's no secret we disagree on numerous things". I don't get the "numerous". For all the protests and hand wringing, there really isn't a lot of difference between Bernie and Hillary, especially when you look at their voting record.
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Well, there might not be now that Bernie has successfully defined her agenda for her.
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We shall overcome - the last 40 yeas of Republican hate rhetoric.
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All I can say is the Democrats want to win in the worst way and chose a candidate who would do so.
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Trump supporters want anarchy, not democracy. They've been left behind both economically and culturally and now they want others to suffer too. The Democratic convention will do nothing to change their minds.
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As a side comment, of all of the major convention speeches I have seen, Bernie Sanders received the most sustained and enthusiastic applause from the delegates Monday evening. Perhaps it received lower viewership generally because it was getting late by the time he spoke. Despite all media efforts to caricature him as a cranky old fringe candidate, his behavior throughout the campaign has been exemplary.
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Corrected(the word unprotected accidentally substituted for "unprosecuted" in the original);
You might say "for good and ill, this is what democracy looks like"- ultimately messy, conspicuously imperfect, inclining to elevate pragmatism over principle (unless, that is, one, in the spirit of both Dewey and Darwin, founders of the American weltanschaung, elevated pragmatism itself to the highest principle--- arguably the core idea of democratic politics/party), with no small tinges of corruption, finally window-dressed to prettify itself concealing the darker underbelly. Democracy, as Churchill noted, the worst possible system, except for its alternatives.
In that sense the headline rings true. But we as thoughtful citizens should confront the truth. The Times tacit collusion with Hillary's shenanigans in BOTH EMAIL SCANDALS, which in both cases reach the level of criminality (in the private email/server matter, reckless indifference to security and flouting of classification protocols, unprosecuted, according to all sources because Hillary's too big to fail, Nixon and Jessup style), and in the new scandal, the tacit and open conspiracy of the Times from the getgo to trivialize and marginalize the Sanders campaign and anoint Hillary, in tacit cahoots with the DNC.
Despite all this I agree with Churchill, will vote for Hillary, the lesser of evils. But the Times, Hillary and the DNC bear real guilt and there will be a reckoning at some point.
You might say "for good and ill, this is what democracy looks like"- ultimately messy, conspicuously imperfect, inclining to elevate pragmatism over principle (unless, that is, one, in the spirit of both Dewey and Darwin, founders of the American weltanschaung, elevated pragmatism itself to the highest principle--- arguably the core idea of democratic politics/party), with no small tinges of corruption, finally window-dressed to prettify itself concealing the darker underbelly. Democracy, as Churchill noted, the worst possible system, except for its alternatives.
In that sense the headline rings true. But we as thoughtful citizens should confront the truth. The Times tacit collusion with Hillary's shenanigans in BOTH EMAIL SCANDALS, which in both cases reach the level of criminality (in the private email/server matter, reckless indifference to security and flouting of classification protocols, unprosecuted, according to all sources because Hillary's too big to fail, Nixon and Jessup style), and in the new scandal, the tacit and open conspiracy of the Times from the getgo to trivialize and marginalize the Sanders campaign and anoint Hillary, in tacit cahoots with the DNC.
Despite all this I agree with Churchill, will vote for Hillary, the lesser of evils. But the Times, Hillary and the DNC bear real guilt and there will be a reckoning at some point.
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"Despite all this I agree with Churchill, will vote for Hillary, the lesser of evils. But the Times, Hillary and the DNC bear real guilt and there will be a reckoning at some point."
Your threat has been duly noted.
Your threat has been duly noted.
Mapleaforever,
As you can tell, I'm upset by many developments in the Democratic primary: the Schultz-Wasserman emails, and the revelations that the private email/server scandal, that came with in a hair's breadth of resulting in an indictment actually entailed a level of mis-or malfeasance that would have resulted in prosecution and/or termination of someone *not* 'too big to prosecute/terminate' (democrats and Republicans have agreed on this, with very few, if any, denying that to a substantial degree Clinton's special position protected her from more severe repercussions), show that The Times and many observers and participants/citizens throughout the primary failed to vet Clinton vigorously enough. We all took her at her word that the emails were a non-issue, a stance proved utterly wrong. People just got tired of pressing her on the Goldman Sachs transcripts. These lapses apply particular to Sanders himself, who in the end - as we all did - got burned by his gentlemanliness or lack of persistence, whichever it was (probably both).
I'd intended to write a short comment expressing amusement at your interpretation of my comment as a "threat." Any fool would understand by "reckoning": that the deceit becoming more blatant daily, is going to catch up with this Teflon political career; quite obviously I don't plan to personally bring about this reckoning. Although, I did say in another comment I'd likely not vote for a candidate still involved w/ Schultz-Wasserman.
As you can tell, I'm upset by many developments in the Democratic primary: the Schultz-Wasserman emails, and the revelations that the private email/server scandal, that came with in a hair's breadth of resulting in an indictment actually entailed a level of mis-or malfeasance that would have resulted in prosecution and/or termination of someone *not* 'too big to prosecute/terminate' (democrats and Republicans have agreed on this, with very few, if any, denying that to a substantial degree Clinton's special position protected her from more severe repercussions), show that The Times and many observers and participants/citizens throughout the primary failed to vet Clinton vigorously enough. We all took her at her word that the emails were a non-issue, a stance proved utterly wrong. People just got tired of pressing her on the Goldman Sachs transcripts. These lapses apply particular to Sanders himself, who in the end - as we all did - got burned by his gentlemanliness or lack of persistence, whichever it was (probably both).
I'd intended to write a short comment expressing amusement at your interpretation of my comment as a "threat." Any fool would understand by "reckoning": that the deceit becoming more blatant daily, is going to catch up with this Teflon political career; quite obviously I don't plan to personally bring about this reckoning. Although, I did say in another comment I'd likely not vote for a candidate still involved w/ Schultz-Wasserman.
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The very idea these conventions occur in places where entertainment and sports create profits is key. This is not democracy at all as idealized in European Liberalism, this is a nepotistic system filled with quid pro quos that voters never see or identify.
If Hilary's spouse was a tire executive, do you really think she'd be the leader of the party and its candidate? Absolutely not. Do you even think she'd be there (with her actual husband) had certain states like New York had open elections, rather than highly restrictive primaries? Also, probably not.
This country is broken, in numerous ways, and not in the ways the RNC is trying to capitalize using. It's broken because of the political process that subdivides every possible territorial framework into a majority rule. And that by itself reveals why this country is under the control of a good-guy bad guy mythic narrative that controls all media. Including the underlying theme of this editorial.
Listen to Hilary speak. No one really wants a scolding mother archetype as a leader. But the bosses of the Democratic party did, and they controlled enough of the system to ensure Hilary made it here.
Democracy? NYT you surely jest.
If Hilary's spouse was a tire executive, do you really think she'd be the leader of the party and its candidate? Absolutely not. Do you even think she'd be there (with her actual husband) had certain states like New York had open elections, rather than highly restrictive primaries? Also, probably not.
This country is broken, in numerous ways, and not in the ways the RNC is trying to capitalize using. It's broken because of the political process that subdivides every possible territorial framework into a majority rule. And that by itself reveals why this country is under the control of a good-guy bad guy mythic narrative that controls all media. Including the underlying theme of this editorial.
Listen to Hilary speak. No one really wants a scolding mother archetype as a leader. But the bosses of the Democratic party did, and they controlled enough of the system to ensure Hilary made it here.
Democracy? NYT you surely jest.
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Pick one from the list (below):
1. Cranky old man Bernie).
2. Bible thumping zealot (Cruz).
3. Fake centrist (Kasich).
4. Unhinged sociopath (Trump).
5. Scolding mother (HRC).
1. Cranky old man Bernie).
2. Bible thumping zealot (Cruz).
3. Fake centrist (Kasich).
4. Unhinged sociopath (Trump).
5. Scolding mother (HRC).
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"None of the above", and I am sure there are many voters whom, given the immense unpopularity of either candidate, would like this third option on the ballot. The problem is, however, how does one deal with the situation where "none of the above" wins the election?
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If you have to go down in the history books, then Tuesday night was the way to do it. This was, without a doubt, the Democratic Party at its best.
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So we are treated to the sorry spectacle of Bernie supporters whitewashing Putin's meddling in the American electoral process. Just like their parents - or Bernie himself - whitewashed Putin's KGB predecessors' meddling in world politics.
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That's what I love about America. It never meddles in the affairs of other countries.
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No one is whitewashing the meddling; that's bad. But how the information was disclosed doesn't change the information that was disclosed. These are two separate things.
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How dare a whistleblower expose the corrupt practices of our establishment?
Are you nuts?
Are you nuts?
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Yeah, those super delegates are really democratic. And never mind those DNC emails. The fix has been in for Hillary since before Iowa.
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Democracy will look much better when Citizen's United is overturned.
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After or before Hillary and the DNC take the money?
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I've never understood why people "hate" Hillary Clinton so much. But then again, I don't understand why people love Donald Trump.
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I wonder how much of Hillary's agenda will be informed by the philosophy of the DLC.
The editorial restates the grossly misleading meme that, "(Hillary Clinton) won millions more votes than Mr. Sanders.."
Hillary pretends that the states Sanders won that utilized caucuses instead of primaries didn't really have any voters. Only by pretending that the caucus results aren't legitimate does Hillary and The Times claim she won "millions more votes."
It's just one more example of the twisted, dishonest campaign against Bernie Sanders that the Times has engaged in for so many months.
Outrageous. When will the public editor take her newspaper to task?
Hillary pretends that the states Sanders won that utilized caucuses instead of primaries didn't really have any voters. Only by pretending that the caucus results aren't legitimate does Hillary and The Times claim she won "millions more votes."
It's just one more example of the twisted, dishonest campaign against Bernie Sanders that the Times has engaged in for so many months.
Outrageous. When will the public editor take her newspaper to task?
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Sorry, but caucuses aren't democratic elections, and open primaries aren't either. You gotta join the club to vote in its elections.
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This convention is just like conventions used to be. Quit harping on the brnie supporters. They will support Hillary or fade away-their choice.
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Yes! And for democracy to work at its best, the people must be educated to think critically and be informed. Sadly, too many are not.
Mrs. Obama spoke of waking up “in a house that was built by slaves,” ?
The White House was completely re-built with union labor during the Truman Administration preserving only the exterior facade.
The White House was completely re-built with union labor during the Truman Administration preserving only the exterior facade.
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So, the historical significance of the statement went straight over your head.
FYI. The White House wasn't "re-built", as much as it was RENOVATED.
(That means, they didn't tear it all down to build it all up again.)
There's a difference.
FYI. The White House wasn't "re-built", as much as it was RENOVATED.
(That means, they didn't tear it all down to build it all up again.)
There's a difference.
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As a journalist specializing in the presidency, I'm frightened by the prospect of a Trump win because he would be a radical departure from his predecessors. Yet public ignorance, misinformed criticisms of Clinton from the left and right, voter suppression, and the red-state tilt of the electoral college make his election possible. Democrats, independents, and principled Republicans cannot afford to take his challenge lightly--let's remember what happened when so many assumed that Bush and Gore were about the same. Here's my detailed, documented list of reasons to support Clinton (read by over 5600 so far, so keep sharing): https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/open-letter-sanders-supporters-scott-s-sm...
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Democracy looks the same as it always has: One mob using force to make another mob do what it wants.
Democracy = Mob Rule = Might Makes Right
Should the Athenians have sentenced Socrates to death simply because he disagreed with or irritated them? Apparently their majority vote brought about his death. Democracy in Action.
Democracy = Mob Rule = Might Makes Right
Should the Athenians have sentenced Socrates to death simply because he disagreed with or irritated them? Apparently their majority vote brought about his death. Democracy in Action.
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If Clinton loses by one percent - a possibility, and Stein captures three percent, as some predict, we sure will know who to blame.
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The DNC?
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I'm reading so many comments that refer to Hillary as a flawed candidate. Please name me ONE candidate or actual President who isn't flawed in any way, shape or form.
If you paid attention to all that Hillary has done, and looked at the evidence of her achievements - all over the world - in the faces of young girls who are trafficked and now have a voice, in the grudging respect she has earned from those Republicans who have partnered with her and have done so successfully for the betterment of some of our most vulnerable citizens, at the long list of her achievements as a public servant as stated by her husband, and at the fact that she never gives up, no matter how many lies are told about her or filthy names she is called, and no matter the incessant indignities she is put through, I don't see how this election is even a contest.
She is tough. She is flexible. She is smart - the smartest candidate of any that have run in this election year. She is imperfect and human. She is the ONLY choice.
If you paid attention to all that Hillary has done, and looked at the evidence of her achievements - all over the world - in the faces of young girls who are trafficked and now have a voice, in the grudging respect she has earned from those Republicans who have partnered with her and have done so successfully for the betterment of some of our most vulnerable citizens, at the long list of her achievements as a public servant as stated by her husband, and at the fact that she never gives up, no matter how many lies are told about her or filthy names she is called, and no matter the incessant indignities she is put through, I don't see how this election is even a contest.
She is tough. She is flexible. She is smart - the smartest candidate of any that have run in this election year. She is imperfect and human. She is the ONLY choice.
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Name one? Barack Obama. Next question?
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I love President Obama, but he has his flaws - everyone does. He appointed Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner almost immediately after his first inauguration - two key players who played major roles in the lead up to the financial crisis, and who did nothing but pander and ignore the people most negatively affected by it. Both, along with the President did nothing to punish the banks or the banksters then and will never do so. We the People had to eat that one, and many, many people have never recovered from it. I think the President has been very flawed in the handling of the banks and the banksters; not one person has been indicted, lost his job, or been held up in any significant way as an example of the rigged game that the end of Glass-Steagall facilitated.
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The Big Dog's talk and The Donald's diatribe seemed to spring from different universes, not even parallel ones. One was brimming with humor, love and respect; the other flung verbal brimstone at a deafening level for an unbearable 76 minutes. I don't know how Trump's cardiovascular system survived it.
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Sounds good but I am waiting for a correction in the polls. The LA Times
just reported a national Trump lead of 7 points, 47 to 40. Why is Hillary
Clinton at 40 in a national poll 100+ days from the fall election? She has
a huge appeal among nonwhites. Absolutely huge. But what about the
almost seven tenths of electorate which isn't nonwhite or Hispanic?
Will the fear mongering real estate tycoon win?
just reported a national Trump lead of 7 points, 47 to 40. Why is Hillary
Clinton at 40 in a national poll 100+ days from the fall election? She has
a huge appeal among nonwhites. Absolutely huge. But what about the
almost seven tenths of electorate which isn't nonwhite or Hispanic?
Will the fear mongering real estate tycoon win?
It's not a democracy if your guy loses because he got fewer votes, no matter how you count them. Got it.
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Sanders was a gracious loser but some of his idealistic, passionate and hard working supporters quite appropriately and understandably do not feel obligated to line up behind Hillary after selflessly dedicating several months campaigning for him. The wikileaks emails revealed a rigged system which added salt their wounds and the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz was too little too late. Sanders die hard supporters are a unique and precious vote block of independent Americans who cannot be bought or persuaded and could well decide on who they are more likely to vote for without any of the several invitations from politicians that they have earned. This group is going to remain the big unknown of 2016 elections and could very well make an enormous impact in the final outcome.
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And yet the DNC foolishly continues to denigrate these essentially deeply engaged independent voters.
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I am more proud than ever to be a Democrat. Bernie and Hillary slugged it out over issues and in the end Bernie got 90% of his ideas written into the platform and If Hillary gets elected she is the one that can actually achieve the platforms' goals. Granted the behind the scenes machinations led by DWS were wrong and I am glad she is gone. Democracy is messy but it's the system we have and all we can do is to try to fix it incrementally. While the revolution sounded good and was exciting the reality is real change takes time and we need a pragmatist like Hillary to achieve that change. She is the right person at the right time with the right ideas thanks in no small part to Senator Bernie Sanders.
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This editorial is equating the debate and dissension at the republican convention, a process that began with 17 candidates, with the corruption and underhandedness which culminated at the democratic convention, whose process started with two candidates. What happened at the conventions are nowhere near the same and should not be compared directly. They both had dissension but for very different reasons. Describing what happened in Philadelphia this week as internal debate and consideration of opposing views is poor journalism and reporting.
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There's no drivel quite like that which flows from the editorial pen. Congratulations?
What you're missing, presumably intentionally, is that the nomination was stolen. Once the latest Wikileaks dump made that all too clear, Sanders had one and only one moral path open to him: Withdraw his endorsement of the candidate who stole the nomination, exit the hall of this illegitimate convention with his 1900 delegates in tow, and begin planning his third-party run.
To do otherwise is to endorse election theft. For a man aiming to foment political revolution through the ballot box, to not insist on election integrity, indeed to endorse stealing an election, is moral death. It cannot be otherwise.
Poor Bernie. It won't be long until the dark nights of the soul come knocking and he'll realize everything he told us to fear Trump would become, Hillary Clinton already is.
What you're missing, presumably intentionally, is that the nomination was stolen. Once the latest Wikileaks dump made that all too clear, Sanders had one and only one moral path open to him: Withdraw his endorsement of the candidate who stole the nomination, exit the hall of this illegitimate convention with his 1900 delegates in tow, and begin planning his third-party run.
To do otherwise is to endorse election theft. For a man aiming to foment political revolution through the ballot box, to not insist on election integrity, indeed to endorse stealing an election, is moral death. It cannot be otherwise.
Poor Bernie. It won't be long until the dark nights of the soul come knocking and he'll realize everything he told us to fear Trump would become, Hillary Clinton already is.
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It's good to see Bernie's supporters for what they are: selfish, ignorant and openly hostile towards democracy. Hillary won the popular vote, won more states, won more pledged delegates, won more super-delegates. To believe the election was "stolen" would require one to believe that the DNC coordinated with state elected officials, local elected officials, and thousands of election supervisors across the country. When your belief is that your views and your candidate(s) should prevail regardless of whether they actually win elections is the sign of an individual who wants a dictator as President.
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Talk about drivel....Oh please. In the end, Sanders didn't get enough votes, even without the delegates. Period.
And if you think Clinton is anything NEAR the racist bigot that Donald Trump is , you really need to wake-up from your own dark night.
And if you think Clinton is anything NEAR the racist bigot that Donald Trump is , you really need to wake-up from your own dark night.
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While it's true the Hillary won more votes, states, etc., she did so with the invisible hand of the DNC assisting her every step of the way. From debate schedules to primary calendars to questionable (possibly illegal) campaign donation manipulations, the DNC was the unofficial extension of the Clinton campaign. To rest your argument solely on outcome rather than process is either disingenuous or willful ignorance.
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I grew up with Frances Perkins as a woman Secretary of Labor, who under FDR and the New Deal was the primary reason for the U.S. adoption of social security, unemployment insurance, federal laws regulating child labor, and adoption of the federal minimum wage. She is also the individual longest serving in that position. She and FDR took my family out of the Great Depression and gave us an opportunity to be part of a growing middle class that lasted until the antithesis of the Reagan years, which with the amplification of the Bush Presidencies essentially destroyed this middle class opportunity and gave us instead a culture of fear and hate that threatens what is left of the New Deal. Bernie Sanders campaign did everything in its power to change that trajectory. Not surprisingly there has been a huge effort to destroy the Bernie Sanders campaign's goals of returning to the Frances Perkin's days and reinstating New Deal policies. Addressing these issues and creating a playing field that enables education, voting rights, and accountability is not a favorite agenda for many of the large corporations, the establishment and the top 1%. I congratulate Bernie Sanders for creating a campaign that is about us and the issues (https://berniesanders.com/issues/) that every individual in this country lives with; and, for focusing the attention of the voting electorate on these issues.
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You might say "for good and ill, this is what democracy looks like"- ultimately messy, conspicuously imperfect, inclining to elevate pragmatism over principle (unless, that is, one, in the spirit of both Dewey and Darwin, founders of the American weltanschaung, elevated pragmatism itself to the highest principle--- arguably the core idea of democratic politics/party), with no small tinges of corruption, finally window-dressed to prettify itself concealing the darker underbelly. Democracy, as Churchill noted, the worst possible system, except for its alternatives.
In that sense the headline rings true. But we as thoughtful citizens should confront the truth. The Times tacit collusion with Hillary's shenanigans in BOTH EMAIL SCANDALS, which in both cases reach the level of criminality (in the private email/server matter, reckless indifference to security and flouting of classification protocols, unprotected, according to all sources because Hillary's too big to fail, Nixon and Jessup style), and in the new scandal, the tacit and open conspiracy of the Times from the getgo to trivialize and marginalize the Sanders campaign and anoint Hillary, in tacit cahoots with the DNC.
Despite all this I agree with Churchill, will vote for Hillary, the lesser of evils. But the Times, Hillary and the DNC bear real guilt and there will be a reckoning at some point.
In that sense the headline rings true. But we as thoughtful citizens should confront the truth. The Times tacit collusion with Hillary's shenanigans in BOTH EMAIL SCANDALS, which in both cases reach the level of criminality (in the private email/server matter, reckless indifference to security and flouting of classification protocols, unprotected, according to all sources because Hillary's too big to fail, Nixon and Jessup style), and in the new scandal, the tacit and open conspiracy of the Times from the getgo to trivialize and marginalize the Sanders campaign and anoint Hillary, in tacit cahoots with the DNC.
Despite all this I agree with Churchill, will vote for Hillary, the lesser of evils. But the Times, Hillary and the DNC bear real guilt and there will be a reckoning at some point.
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"exhortation toward unity."
Much of this isn't exhortation. It's extortion. Corrupt extortion.
"Nice country you have there. It would be ashamed if Donald Trump got a hold of it."
Much of this isn't exhortation. It's extortion. Corrupt extortion.
"Nice country you have there. It would be ashamed if Donald Trump got a hold of it."
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The biggest difference in the candidates is that Hillary is running for president and Trump is running for God.
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The illegal invasion of Libya receives no mention.
You're right, this election is so much bigger than my petty concerns.
Although I've never met anyone from Libya, I know this wealthy, oil-rich country had a leader, Qaddafi, who completely cooperated with America to hunt down Islamic terrorists, provided free health care and education to his people, and most importantly, willingly relinquished his own WMD program after the invasion of Iraq.
What did Qaddafi receive in return for all of this cooperation?
He was sodomized by a bayonet, and the Secretary of State who made it all possible - Hillary Clinton - went on national television to exclaim, "We came, we saw, he died!!! HaHaHaHa!!!" Because of course when you have something so outrageously witty to say, you want to get it memorialized on national television. But the Democrats tell us that one reason not to vote for Trump is that he is a bully.
At least Trump doesn't cackle about killing people.
The Democrats want us to know that the candidate who bleats, "we came, we saw, he died!" Is a caring candidate who does not engage in bullying behavior, the Libya example notwithstanding.
The Democrats, with the official nomination of Hillary, have assumed the position as the Party of death and destruction.
People who know the truth about Hillary's record as SoS, understand that this election is much bigger than the petty concerns of any individual person, and it is bigger than any one country.
All countries matter.
You're right, this election is so much bigger than my petty concerns.
Although I've never met anyone from Libya, I know this wealthy, oil-rich country had a leader, Qaddafi, who completely cooperated with America to hunt down Islamic terrorists, provided free health care and education to his people, and most importantly, willingly relinquished his own WMD program after the invasion of Iraq.
What did Qaddafi receive in return for all of this cooperation?
He was sodomized by a bayonet, and the Secretary of State who made it all possible - Hillary Clinton - went on national television to exclaim, "We came, we saw, he died!!! HaHaHaHa!!!" Because of course when you have something so outrageously witty to say, you want to get it memorialized on national television. But the Democrats tell us that one reason not to vote for Trump is that he is a bully.
At least Trump doesn't cackle about killing people.
The Democrats want us to know that the candidate who bleats, "we came, we saw, he died!" Is a caring candidate who does not engage in bullying behavior, the Libya example notwithstanding.
The Democrats, with the official nomination of Hillary, have assumed the position as the Party of death and destruction.
People who know the truth about Hillary's record as SoS, understand that this election is much bigger than the petty concerns of any individual person, and it is bigger than any one country.
All countries matter.
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While I agree with the need now for unity to defeat Trump, there is also the reality that many people have a very bad taste in their mouths over the DNC helping Clinton, perhaps even funneling donations to the DNC directly toward that effort. Clinton will need to address this and not sweep it under the rug if she is going to get many ardent Sanderites to vote for her and help with the campaign. There remains a palpable feeling that the system is not only rigged for the 1% but also for Hillary.
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With the nomination of Clinton the chances of Trump being elected are now greatly, and sadly increased. Trying to take Bernie's supporters hostage with the "gun" of Trump to their heads is strong arm politics at its best. The reason Schultz and Brazille had to move aside were because of the wikileaks content. Those emails brought out all the unethical backroom dealings between the press and the DNC. The voter wants is actual ethical, honest behavior. Each vote has to be earned. Bernie earned 12 million votes. Those votes will be needed to beat Trump. There are law suits about election fraud, investigations into Hillary's underlings at State, concerns about foreign influence peddling and yes, more wiki leaks to come. How much more rope does Hillary have? Many Republicans didn't watch their Convention and won't be voting for Trump. Disenfranchised. Many Democrats won't watch the Clinton acceptance speech or vote for Clinton. Disenfranchised. Both sides use the other candidate as a threat. Is this really the best we can do? Bernie Sanders clearly appeals to a solid majority of voters appalled by the process and choices. The Main Stream Media are editing historical events as they occur, with Orwellian fervor. Somehow we have to get the control of our government and media out of the hands of business lobbyists and focused back objectively on the business of the people. Who will wikileaks bring down next; their hack is not the problem (Russian or DNC) the nature of the content is.
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Somebody in Russia will get demoted for helping Democrats get rid of Debbie Wasserman Schultz just in time. They were so excited about their material, they blew the timing.
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What everybody seems to forget is that Bernie Sanders, and probably most of his followers aren't even Democrats -- And that's exactly what makes this all so incredible, and yes, even Democratic.
They came. They yelled. And in many ways, got some of the things they wanted. And also managed to drag this Party back to its origins.
Some even had fun. But most importantly, no one was hurt, or got roughed up the way we've seen it done at Trump's rallies.
Of course there will be those who are more interested in the 'cause', than in the Democrat's unity -- to them I say; Go out and found your own parties, starting at the grassroots. Not easy. But it can be done.
That said. Kudos must be given to Mr. Sanders for running a tight race, and for being so gracious at the end. He even smiled!
I hope his supporters stop yelling at him, and show the man some LOVE.
Now the work begins. We have to save our country from nothing less than the hate and dissension that is being used to pull us apart.
The Democratic Party may not hold the answers to all problems, but the alternative is so much worse.
They came. They yelled. And in many ways, got some of the things they wanted. And also managed to drag this Party back to its origins.
Some even had fun. But most importantly, no one was hurt, or got roughed up the way we've seen it done at Trump's rallies.
Of course there will be those who are more interested in the 'cause', than in the Democrat's unity -- to them I say; Go out and found your own parties, starting at the grassroots. Not easy. But it can be done.
That said. Kudos must be given to Mr. Sanders for running a tight race, and for being so gracious at the end. He even smiled!
I hope his supporters stop yelling at him, and show the man some LOVE.
Now the work begins. We have to save our country from nothing less than the hate and dissension that is being used to pull us apart.
The Democratic Party may not hold the answers to all problems, but the alternative is so much worse.
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In my opinion it did not take the Trump campaign to put in jeopardy democratic principles - 'tolerance of dissenting views, a willingness to compromise, the eternal search for common ground". The Republican Party, in its obsequious fawning to the Tea Party wing, abandoned them years ago. Ergo gridlock in Foggy Bottom.
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This is what a stunted, beta version of democracy looks like, from the 3/5ths rule, the electoral college, gerrymandering districts, citizen's United, the interpentration of the military industrial and the national security state, the untouchable finance industry, welcome to the extended party game of Imperial and corrupt America
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I'm so sad that more Americans could not recognize and share Bernie's vision for the country. I cast my vote for him in the primary with tears in my eyes. He was a once in a lifetime candidate. Our absolute, and supreme, loss.
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We have a low bar here. One party having a civilized (if messy) convention does not a democracy make. The Dems are still ignoring the middle class. The Clinton camp and the establishment are still captured by the military industrial complex and Wall St. The Republicans are still bat crazy. We still have unresolved issues that the electorate cares about that no politician will touch with a ten foot pole. We still have politicians making hay on social issues of little import in the scheme of climate change and economic inequality. We still have terrorism and guns. And we are still awash in money and its hopes and dreams, drowning the hopes and dreams of actual citizens. If this is democracy, I've got a broken neglected bridge to sell you.
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How predictable. When there is trouble at the RNC, it is the GOP in "disarray" and "divided against itself". When there is even more dissension at the DNC, it's "democracy". Wasn't there a recent column about "possible" bias in your newspaper?
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As an old time lefty and student of history I can say unequivocally that revolutions take time. Most Americans probably don't know that the founders spent more than a decade trying to convince King George to take them seriously. Seriously as far as full British subjects.
Franklin spent many years in London trying to convince Parliament that the colonies should be treated as full partners in the Empire.
He failed.
So they began a revolution.
A revolution that had more setbacks than victories. Washington was probably history's finest retreater.
And when that revolution was finally won the next one, writing a Constitution, also took a lot of time and a lot of squabbling.
To all my young fellow Bernie supporters I say that if you want a revolution come on out and vote every two years. Get involved in your local precinct. Canvas for someone you believe in. If you aren't quite sold on Hillary yet, canvas for someone local who grabs you.
The election of T rump, or any republican for that matter, will set back the revolution and the evolution decades. It very well could mean the end of the democracy we all seem to take for granted.
VOTE.....that's the revolution that must happen this year.
Vote for Clinton.
Franklin spent many years in London trying to convince Parliament that the colonies should be treated as full partners in the Empire.
He failed.
So they began a revolution.
A revolution that had more setbacks than victories. Washington was probably history's finest retreater.
And when that revolution was finally won the next one, writing a Constitution, also took a lot of time and a lot of squabbling.
To all my young fellow Bernie supporters I say that if you want a revolution come on out and vote every two years. Get involved in your local precinct. Canvas for someone you believe in. If you aren't quite sold on Hillary yet, canvas for someone local who grabs you.
The election of T rump, or any republican for that matter, will set back the revolution and the evolution decades. It very well could mean the end of the democracy we all seem to take for granted.
VOTE.....that's the revolution that must happen this year.
Vote for Clinton.
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I am really tired of hearing about Donald, Bernie and Hillary. In this election I am voting against the ideals and policies of the GOP. I am voting for the policies and ideals of the DEM,s. To do that I am voting DEM at all levels of government. To me that's democracy in action. What's the problem?
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This time last week The Times was blowing out of proportion a few copied phrases in Mrs. Trumps speech, and shouting that the Republicans were in disarray. But today, the outright manipulation of the Democrat National Committee and its corrupt chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz who were both in the tank for Hillary during the primaries is labeled as "democracy in action". What hypocrisy. But that's nothing new for The Times, which has become nothing more than a shill for the Democrat party.
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Michelle Obama, I am inspired!
Cory Booker, I am inspired!
Donna Brazile, I am inspired!
Bill Clinton, I am inspired!
Bernie Sanders, I am inspired!
To all of the beautiful speakers of all stripes at the DNC, thank you for breathing life, air, courage and love back into the hearts of Americans. You lift us all above the hate and fear. I am no longer hanging my head at this nation. I AM INSPIRED!
Cory Booker, I am inspired!
Donna Brazile, I am inspired!
Bill Clinton, I am inspired!
Bernie Sanders, I am inspired!
To all of the beautiful speakers of all stripes at the DNC, thank you for breathing life, air, courage and love back into the hearts of Americans. You lift us all above the hate and fear. I am no longer hanging my head at this nation. I AM INSPIRED!
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Agreed. Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton inspires disgust.
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This primary has shown this Independent how corrupted Democrats can get. Partisan politics is never my cup of tea. We need actions by independents starting from local levels as Bernie has suggested. If you want real changes for the better, start with your town council or school board.
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You should have done that last year, and then chosen Sanders as your candidate....
Still -- it's a very good thing he managed to move the DNC a little bit closer to its original roots....even though he's not a Democrat.
Still -- it's a very good thing he managed to move the DNC a little bit closer to its original roots....even though he's not a Democrat.
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Translation: "Republicans who disagree loudly are just haters who embarrass themselves while Democrats who disagree loudly are just exercising democracy."
Not biased at all.
Not biased at all.
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I'm swimming against the tide here. But I can't help but call out lemming shenanigans on a vast majority of Times readers.
"Democracy"? Why is forcing Sanders to compromise praised? Bernie caved. Pure and simple. I despise everything Ted Cruz, but I have to hand it to him, he didn't cave. He stuck to his guns in front of a national audience, even if it meant his own political suicide. THAT'S honorable. Bernie, the most decent and honorable thing about the whole election process until now, just joined in with the other political sleaze. The DNC gave him the shaft, and now he's now one of "them". Goodbye, Bernie. Once you compromise your standards, you cant be the "tell it like it is" candidate anymore.
BTW....where is Gary Johnson? I've never even considered looking up the Libertarian candidate before, I want to know more about him. This is the election for the Libertarians to jump front and center, and yet I still feel as if the Libertarians are an afterthought, right ahead of the Communists. Someone from that party is really missing an opportunity here.
"Democracy"? Why is forcing Sanders to compromise praised? Bernie caved. Pure and simple. I despise everything Ted Cruz, but I have to hand it to him, he didn't cave. He stuck to his guns in front of a national audience, even if it meant his own political suicide. THAT'S honorable. Bernie, the most decent and honorable thing about the whole election process until now, just joined in with the other political sleaze. The DNC gave him the shaft, and now he's now one of "them". Goodbye, Bernie. Once you compromise your standards, you cant be the "tell it like it is" candidate anymore.
BTW....where is Gary Johnson? I've never even considered looking up the Libertarian candidate before, I want to know more about him. This is the election for the Libertarians to jump front and center, and yet I still feel as if the Libertarians are an afterthought, right ahead of the Communists. Someone from that party is really missing an opportunity here.
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Too late. You and all the other disgruntled Independents, Progressives, Libertarians, etc. should have gotten your acts together LAST YEAR, and mobilized to float a candidate closer to your own liking.
Granted. DWS made some serious blunders, but you can't blame ALL of the Democrats for your own lack of initiative --- And Sanders isn't even a Democrat, anyway!!!
Thant said. The ONLY thing of importance now, is to keep that racist demagogue Trump out of the Oval Office.
Granted. DWS made some serious blunders, but you can't blame ALL of the Democrats for your own lack of initiative --- And Sanders isn't even a Democrat, anyway!!!
Thant said. The ONLY thing of importance now, is to keep that racist demagogue Trump out of the Oval Office.
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Seriously? You really think that "Democracy" is sticking your thumb in the eye of your party when you don't get your way?
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I hate to break this to you, but democracy is by definition governance by compromise.
See, not everybody agrees with you, or even sees the world the same way. To run a government among people who disagree, you must somehow get them to compromise.
And then, you might even go on to noticing that golly, maybe none of us have a monopoly on truth. And not just because you can yell or educate all you want, and people'll still disagree.
Because YOU don't know for sure what "the truth," absolutely is, any more than I do.
Reading posts like yours is discouraging: it reminds me that Andrew Sullivan was dead right to get on Mahre's show and say, "there are too many leftists in this country who just cannot get it through their heads that other people disagree with them."
And yeah, the same might be said of right-wingers--though they tend to something even worse, the idea that "you think different, and I am gonna FIX you."
And yeah, there are far too many examples of leftists doing exactly the same.
Nobody sane wants this country run by people who are pos that they, and only they, are right.
See, not everybody agrees with you, or even sees the world the same way. To run a government among people who disagree, you must somehow get them to compromise.
And then, you might even go on to noticing that golly, maybe none of us have a monopoly on truth. And not just because you can yell or educate all you want, and people'll still disagree.
Because YOU don't know for sure what "the truth," absolutely is, any more than I do.
Reading posts like yours is discouraging: it reminds me that Andrew Sullivan was dead right to get on Mahre's show and say, "there are too many leftists in this country who just cannot get it through their heads that other people disagree with them."
And yeah, the same might be said of right-wingers--though they tend to something even worse, the idea that "you think different, and I am gonna FIX you."
And yeah, there are far too many examples of leftists doing exactly the same.
Nobody sane wants this country run by people who are pos that they, and only they, are right.
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BUT its not about Bernie or Hillary. Its about inclusive or exclusive, about
you all are welcome [democrats] or go home, stay out, we'll throw you out [republicans]
Its the larger view of the world, our allies, our treaties for years, and the actual
reality of possible accomplishments. Walls cannot keep out ideas, if you remember the Berlin wall. Its about the future, the future of our children, the future of the planet, not back to black and white.
you all are welcome [democrats] or go home, stay out, we'll throw you out [republicans]
Its the larger view of the world, our allies, our treaties for years, and the actual
reality of possible accomplishments. Walls cannot keep out ideas, if you remember the Berlin wall. Its about the future, the future of our children, the future of the planet, not back to black and white.
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This is democracy? The candidate who took the most from big banks wins. George Carlin said it best-when it comes down to it, the only real choice we have is paper vs. Plastic. Hilary is a republican who calls herself a democrat.
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If this is Democracy, we are all in trouble. Super delegates, the DNC conspires to deny candidates their day in the sun, the complicity of so called media like the NY Times, and you would have us applaud this farce?
If this is a victory, it is only for the big banks, Wall Street, the 1%, the globalists, and what used to called an independent medial.
If this is a victory, it is only for the big banks, Wall Street, the 1%, the globalists, and what used to called an independent medial.
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Even the Obamas take from big banks. Our political system is not what our founding fathers hoped it would be. The monied have far greater access to our politics and policy making than ordinary citizens. The founding fathers posited all are created equal but politics think otherwise, they think the rich are to be favored, to be solicited, to be schmoozed.
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After all their battles, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are able to work together for the greater good. That is, their pocketbooks.
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Really??--- Is that the best you can come up with? ??? You obviously have little regard for anything other than ka-ching.
No wonder this country is in the state that it's in.
No wonder this country is in the state that it's in.
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Your boy Trump just gave a speech and asked Putin to hack Democrats' e-mails.
Fortunately, money means nothing to Donald J.
Fortunately, money means nothing to Donald J.
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Actually, in real democracies, there are no hundreds of millions of dollars flying in the air like confetti, no lobbyists, no contributor levels, no super-pacs, No RIGGED PRIMARIES, and no bargains as to who gets what appointment in the newly formed government based on how much they raise. Hillary is a corrupt and dirty politician as most of the nation agrees and don't trust her. Don't pretend the Bernie voters forgave her because most didn't. And when she loses to the orange nazi , she will try to blame the sanders people just like al gore tried to blame the Nader people. The problem with these democratic candidates is that they sound too much like the crazy republicans. Why would people vote for the fake Republican when they have a real one? The Democratic Party has to figure out a way to pull themselves back to what they need to be. I know they won't learn their lesson because the party is the hostage of power brokers like Hillary. If it wasn't, such a flawed candidate wouldn't have been their choice. Good night and good luck
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We continue discussing this election primarily as the choice between two people, Clinton or Trump, and that is a mistake. When so discussed, the election becomes a matter of the individual, his or her personality, his or her past. These things matter, but what matters more, not just for this election, but for down-ticket elections, and for off-year elections, is the party. What values does the party espouse, do those values reflect your values, and are you willing to cast your vote for those candidates who are most likely to see those values made into law, and once made, enforced. So Hillary vs. Donald is important but ultimately misguided. Instead, compare the two party platforms, see which speaks to you, and then elect people -- not just for president but for every electable position -- who will most make their voice, your voice.
https://www.gop.com/platform/
https://www.demconvention.com/platform/
https://www.gop.com/platform/
https://www.demconvention.com/platform/
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One thing you omitted: The GOP platform, as insulting as it is, was not vetted by Trump. It was the RNC's baby from start to finish.
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This is not what Democracy looks like. It was an admittedly rigged campaign. Read the emails. They fixed it. Period. Sanders capitulated because that is what you do when you join the Democratic or Republican Party. You take an oath to support the nominee. He had no choice. But for all the Americans who gave $5 or $10 or, yes, $27, they were cheated by the DNC, because the DNC was never going to let their money mean anything. The emails show they manipulated donors, delegates and you, the media. Not a whisper of complaint from you. If voters had known that from the beginning, that no amount of donations and rallies would change the outcome.... And the NYT calls this Democracy. All you can do is point your fingers, how Clinton-esque, and blame the email leaks on the Russians. I don't care if they came from Martians. The DNC admitted that's what they did, and you haven't complained at all, because you and the other media were part of the conspiracy to wreck the Democratic process. Shame on you. Shame on you.
Now you have a Democratic candidate who is so bad, she is trailing Trump, who is insane and dangerous and ill-equipped, but, hey, that's your candidate, because that's what they paid you in favors to gin up your support. Democracy very much suffered this campaign season and the worst part -- it came from the Democratic Party, backed by the media (and you didn't get the same payoffs the pols did, so you didn't even sell out for a bowl of porridge.)
Now you have a Democratic candidate who is so bad, she is trailing Trump, who is insane and dangerous and ill-equipped, but, hey, that's your candidate, because that's what they paid you in favors to gin up your support. Democracy very much suffered this campaign season and the worst part -- it came from the Democratic Party, backed by the media (and you didn't get the same payoffs the pols did, so you didn't even sell out for a bowl of porridge.)
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I find it interesting that so many of these posts contain the sentence, "I don't care if they came from Martians."
How odd.
I also wonder why it never occurs that golly, maybe a government that's run by a KGB major, and has rather an extended history of fiddling with elections, and clearly wants NATO and the EEOC messed up, might just selectively edit or rewrite the e-mails that it stole in order to further these goals.
In any case, it's pretty stunning to watch the goofier sections of the Left, and the majority of Trump's supporters, cheering on the shabby likes of Vladimir Putin.
How odd.
I also wonder why it never occurs that golly, maybe a government that's run by a KGB major, and has rather an extended history of fiddling with elections, and clearly wants NATO and the EEOC messed up, might just selectively edit or rewrite the e-mails that it stole in order to further these goals.
In any case, it's pretty stunning to watch the goofier sections of the Left, and the majority of Trump's supporters, cheering on the shabby likes of Vladimir Putin.
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Campaign contributions for Bernie went into his coffers, not the DNC's. At least learn how that works before trying to use it in your conspiracy argument.
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Last week it was Dystopia.
This week it is Kumbaya.
Last week it was the Anti-Christ.
This week it is the Editorial Board's choice for President.
Believing is seeing.
This week it is Kumbaya.
Last week it was the Anti-Christ.
This week it is the Editorial Board's choice for President.
Believing is seeing.
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When will liberals ever figure out/admit that this is not a Democracy? It's a Constitutional Republic. The lack of respect for the flag, our Constitution, and a hatred of our history, is what the Democratic Party is all about today.
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Pookie, a "constitutional Republic," is one form of democracy. May I also suggest that you look up, a) what the word means, b) the diff between "direct," and "representative," democracy.
For extra credit, find out what Jefferson et al meant when they talked about, "the tyranny of the majority." Here's a hint: it's why they never advocated unlimited gun rights, and wrote the Bill of Rights.
For extra credit, find out what Jefferson et al meant when they talked about, "the tyranny of the majority." Here's a hint: it's why they never advocated unlimited gun rights, and wrote the Bill of Rights.
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And with Trump it will become a dictatorship.
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bernie had it right, the debate was rather an expression of democracy than division...the inside obstruction of his candidacy was an expression of
establishment power, rather subversive than supportive of the democratic process...hrc, the real one, is the agent not of change but of same.
establishment power, rather subversive than supportive of the democratic process...hrc, the real one, is the agent not of change but of same.
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The specter of Trumpism dominates this convention as much as the last week’s, completely deliberate by the Democrats who are scripting this thing. Trump has given them the boogie man of their wildest dreams, which they are wise to exploit. It’s such a shame because they could never do this to a Rubio, Walker or Perry. The Democrats sanctimony choked race to the bottom is not merely typical of them but smart and expedient.
Also you’ve got to think the Democrats understand American culture better than the party of Trump does. Alicia Keys sure sounded great last night. And didn’t “American Idol” always get better ratings than “The Apprentice’?
Also you’ve got to think the Democrats understand American culture better than the party of Trump does. Alicia Keys sure sounded great last night. And didn’t “American Idol” always get better ratings than “The Apprentice’?
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This is NOT what democracy looks likes. Hillary got the nomination after all sort of skullduggery on the part of the DNC. There was no real competition - everything was scripted for HER. I don't call that democracy more like thugocracy the way they shoved all other potential candidates out of the race - and made clear that Hillary would win no matter what.
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Agreed. If the New York Times had not already become merely an arm of state-run media, it would be astounding if the story splashed in bold on the front page was NOT,
"NOMINATION STOLEN.
CLINTON AND DNC ACTED IN CONCERT."
It's a real pity Bernie did not realize his moral obligation to his supporters and lead his 1900 delegates out of the hall housing that illegitimate convention, and begin a third-party run.
"NOMINATION STOLEN.
CLINTON AND DNC ACTED IN CONCERT."
It's a real pity Bernie did not realize his moral obligation to his supporters and lead his 1900 delegates out of the hall housing that illegitimate convention, and begin a third-party run.
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Sounds like a true Trump supporter. Bernie knows that to do as you suggest would lead to Trump as president.
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@schirmer
Again. Too late. WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THIS A YEAR AGO???
Do you think nominations just fall out of the sky???
Why did you all wait until the last minute?--You should have had your candidate (Sanders, Stein, or whoever) in place in 2015!!!!!
Again. Too late. WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THIS A YEAR AGO???
Do you think nominations just fall out of the sky???
Why did you all wait until the last minute?--You should have had your candidate (Sanders, Stein, or whoever) in place in 2015!!!!!
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Democracy = Superdelegates?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
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She won even without the super delegates. Indeed, many Sanders supporters have exhorted super delegates to vote for Sanders so he can pull ahead. I'm sorry, I love Bernie and his message, but he lost. His voice and ours were heard, though, and I have no question the party has been turned more progressive for it. Now our job is to keep a lunatic from being given nuclear launch codes.
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Ok. Primary game over. We can either look at re-runs and dissect every move for fairness/unfairness, or, we can get ready for the championship. I suggest the latter to all of you who are treating this like a game of sports. And that is what I saw of Sanders supporters, it looked like a high school crowd crying in defeat.
It is hardly defeat. It is defeat only if you think that Sanders' issues die with his candidacy. They do not. Just keep the heat on with respect to these issues, and force the President to listen. Think you can do that with Trump?
What about Hillary? Not even a contest there.
But ultimately, I am not a sports fan, which is just about a win or loss at a moment in time, for a single game. It is emotional, it is entertaining, it is engrossing, but really everyone, the long haul is what is critical.
Sanders supporters, this is a marathon, and the fate of the world is at stake. Global warming. Middle east in flames. Refugees everywhere.
Millennials, you could take the chapter about Hillary's persistence and use it to prevail IN THE LONG RUN.
Right now, Dems have to stay in charge of the White House, and gain the Senate. Millennials and other Sanders' supporters, please keep your eye on the prize that will keep you alive for the marathon you must learn to run.
Please show us you are something other than distraught sports fans crying when your man did not win the semi-finals, and taking your ball and going home. You have to stay the course.
It is hardly defeat. It is defeat only if you think that Sanders' issues die with his candidacy. They do not. Just keep the heat on with respect to these issues, and force the President to listen. Think you can do that with Trump?
What about Hillary? Not even a contest there.
But ultimately, I am not a sports fan, which is just about a win or loss at a moment in time, for a single game. It is emotional, it is entertaining, it is engrossing, but really everyone, the long haul is what is critical.
Sanders supporters, this is a marathon, and the fate of the world is at stake. Global warming. Middle east in flames. Refugees everywhere.
Millennials, you could take the chapter about Hillary's persistence and use it to prevail IN THE LONG RUN.
Right now, Dems have to stay in charge of the White House, and gain the Senate. Millennials and other Sanders' supporters, please keep your eye on the prize that will keep you alive for the marathon you must learn to run.
Please show us you are something other than distraught sports fans crying when your man did not win the semi-finals, and taking your ball and going home. You have to stay the course.
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Thank you, Bernie, for giving us back our democracy. You showed us that people, not the rich, not corporations, but people like me, like us, can make a large difference in politics with our passion - and $27 donations.
You re-energized our party, you provided an opponent for Hillary, who was thought to be a shoo-in for the nomination.
You made her work, you insured our party got much-needed publicity to offset the Republican train wreck. Your presence in the race allowed us to highlight our sanity against the insanity of the GOP.
You sparked a real revolution, and skillfully leveraged our passion and numbers to write much of it into our party's platform. Then you skillfully and graciously unified our party at the crucial moment. What many don't yet realize is that this compromise unification is just one more piece of evidence of Hillary Clinton's consummate skill of fashioning workable compromises that work for both sides.
To the rest of the party who worry about the Bernie supporters who are heartsick at losing, who are rebelling at the thought of supporting the candidate who they have fought all year: give us time to grieve, don't demean us. Most will eventually come around and support Hillary to defeat the horror of a Donald Trump presidency. We are now a much stronger party thanks to Bernie Sanders.
You re-energized our party, you provided an opponent for Hillary, who was thought to be a shoo-in for the nomination.
You made her work, you insured our party got much-needed publicity to offset the Republican train wreck. Your presence in the race allowed us to highlight our sanity against the insanity of the GOP.
You sparked a real revolution, and skillfully leveraged our passion and numbers to write much of it into our party's platform. Then you skillfully and graciously unified our party at the crucial moment. What many don't yet realize is that this compromise unification is just one more piece of evidence of Hillary Clinton's consummate skill of fashioning workable compromises that work for both sides.
To the rest of the party who worry about the Bernie supporters who are heartsick at losing, who are rebelling at the thought of supporting the candidate who they have fought all year: give us time to grieve, don't demean us. Most will eventually come around and support Hillary to defeat the horror of a Donald Trump presidency. We are now a much stronger party thanks to Bernie Sanders.
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NYT and most its readers find anything and everything positive about the Democrats including the finding of out right rigging of the process the bribes to the running mate. Some democracy NOT.
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Don't ever, ever give up the Roll Call of States. That is a pure example of democracy.
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When I was still working, I had a sign under the glass top on my desk. It read: :There is no limit to how much you can achieve, as along as you don't care who gets the credit."
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Amen. It's a collective effort.
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I find it unsettling that so many of Sanders supporters see their future tied to this man being president. Here he has managed to go from a virtual political outsider, to making the Democratic party wake up and see that they were getting a little too GOP-ish and forgetting about their responsibilities as public servants. Many of the aims he championed have been adopted by the Dem party and like Hillary in 2008, he is in a position to do so much good working with the party rather than against it. Unfortunately, Sanders did a poor job of explaining to his supporters that he was not really going to lead a revolution. His campaign was the revolution. And now it is over. All of the conspiracy rhetoric is insulting to those of us who voted for Clinton. Anyone who heard Bill Clinton's speech last night knows why they are voting for HRC. Far from perfect, but effective. People spend so much time hollering about her faults and failures and refuse to acknowledge all the good she has accomplished.
Thanks to Clinton my daughter has had really affordable and high quality healthcare since birth, over a decade, no matter how low my salary was. There were lean years in the beginning when I had no health insurance, but she did. The future is bigger than Clinton or Sanders or the entire Dem party machine. It is our lives and our children's and hopefully, someday, grandchildren's, and so on if we don't destroy each other with hate and greed.
Thanks to Clinton my daughter has had really affordable and high quality healthcare since birth, over a decade, no matter how low my salary was. There were lean years in the beginning when I had no health insurance, but she did. The future is bigger than Clinton or Sanders or the entire Dem party machine. It is our lives and our children's and hopefully, someday, grandchildren's, and so on if we don't destroy each other with hate and greed.
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The Democratic party of today is still a little too GOP-ish.
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It's interesting to me how almost the entire staff of the NY Times as well as many commenters are sort of trapped inside their own personal Democratic Party echo chamber. In your land of make-believe, all is pretty well and good. Glass ceilings were shattered, Obama is beloved by the base, Michelle gave an historic speech that was universally extolled by rapturous fans, and all the rich celebrities who came to speak were moving the voters to work hard for HRC and unity for a bright future of identity politics and all that good stuff that makes us special. Oh, and America is pretty darn great right now!
I may be wrong, and you all are right, but my feeling is - there are many more millions of traditionally liberal voters (independents and such) who are watching this convention and the election in general from an entirely different viewpoint than you have any conception of.
People are angry that after nearly 8 yrs - they've been foreclosed on, are wracked with unimaginable debt from credit cards with usury rates, payday lenders, untenable rents, student loans - working lousy McJobs with no future, trying to deal with the labyrinth and expenses of industry-favored healthcare, losing good jobs - watching wages shrink and the rich get richer, justice meted out by class and listening to complacent, smug, meaningless rhetoric from the Obamas, Clintons and all the rest of their elite friends.
This election may not go the way you all seem to think.
I may be wrong, and you all are right, but my feeling is - there are many more millions of traditionally liberal voters (independents and such) who are watching this convention and the election in general from an entirely different viewpoint than you have any conception of.
People are angry that after nearly 8 yrs - they've been foreclosed on, are wracked with unimaginable debt from credit cards with usury rates, payday lenders, untenable rents, student loans - working lousy McJobs with no future, trying to deal with the labyrinth and expenses of industry-favored healthcare, losing good jobs - watching wages shrink and the rich get richer, justice meted out by class and listening to complacent, smug, meaningless rhetoric from the Obamas, Clintons and all the rest of their elite friends.
This election may not go the way you all seem to think.
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Kate, do you really think Trump will wave a wand and make all of your pain go away? He is not the answer, nor is the know-nothing, do-nothing, anti-tax, right wing of the GOP going to ANYTHING to solve your problems.
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I agree. I think the media pundit and political class is VASTLY disconnected from the real mood and experiences of the average American. Hence, they were gobsmacked by Trump.
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Hey Karen, I never said that I was voting for Trump. Good grief. This is what I mean about the echo-chamber of your own mind. Original thoughts dear, try it. There are many liberals, leftists, Democratic-leaning independents in the world. They are not fans of the establishment, of the powerful, of the elite. They are not so quick to join the Democratic Party "club" that I'm sensing you happily belong to.
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"these conventions are, for once, deeply consequential."
For the first time, after the Democratic Convention, Trump has a significant lead in the polls, as much as 10%, Apparently, the Democratic Convention convinced many Americans not to vote for Clinton. And the unity of the party appears to be perceived as a negative. It would seem that the best strategy for the Democrats is to stay quiet while Trump cooks his own goose. It is well known that both candidates are very unpopular. Send Clinton on an extended vacation half way around the world, leave the campaigning to Trump, and march into the White House in 2017. Or, int he alternative, claim that Clinton has a long term case of laryngitis.
For the first time, after the Democratic Convention, Trump has a significant lead in the polls, as much as 10%, Apparently, the Democratic Convention convinced many Americans not to vote for Clinton. And the unity of the party appears to be perceived as a negative. It would seem that the best strategy for the Democrats is to stay quiet while Trump cooks his own goose. It is well known that both candidates are very unpopular. Send Clinton on an extended vacation half way around the world, leave the campaigning to Trump, and march into the White House in 2017. Or, int he alternative, claim that Clinton has a long term case of laryngitis.
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While Trump clearly came up after his little Nuremberg Rally, there are no national polls showing him 10 ponts ahead. You mistook took a poll of a Red State as a national result, most likely.
I'd explain why not to take your results too seriously as anything more than a sign that for whatever reason, the NR helped the Trumpster, but the prob is, what hasn't changed a bit is that you guys have no interest whatsoever in reality.
I'd explain why not to take your results too seriously as anything more than a sign that for whatever reason, the NR helped the Trumpster, but the prob is, what hasn't changed a bit is that you guys have no interest whatsoever in reality.
Nice try ... there are no "after the Democratic convention" polls yet ... the convention is only through two days. The most recent polls show that nationally the race is a statistical tie but on a state by state basis Clinton wins in the Electoral College. We'll see this weekend what was the effect of the Democratic convention in the polls.
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Will Rodgers famously said, "I'm not a member of any organized political party -- I'm a Democrat!" This convention makes me pretty proud to be a Democrat and a democrat. Bernie became a real mensch, Hillary a real person, Bill is still Bill, and Michelle Obama is now a national icon of strength and wisdom.
To the die-hard purists, I will only say that as for the choice we face in November, I much prefer Macchiavelli to Atilla the Hun any day.
To the die-hard purists, I will only say that as for the choice we face in November, I much prefer Macchiavelli to Atilla the Hun any day.
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Hillary is not the best choice for me but I will vote for and campaign for her. Because the alternative is too dangerous for America, the world and the whole humanity. The second most important to me the appointment od Supreme Court and federal court judges. The patriotic progressive people should vote for Hillary even if you hate her for the sake of you and your children's future.
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I think the democratic principles shown at the DNC (and missing from the RNC) can best be summed up by comparing how each party deals with the other's nominee.
On one hand, you have the Democratic Party, whose speakers' messages are generally that Trump is unfit for office because of a variety of reasons, so Democrats need to band together behind Hillary to beat him in the election.
On the other hand, you have the Republican Party, whose speakers' messages span from Hillary Clinton should be locked up and put in jail to Hillary Clinton should be put in front of a firing squad and executed for treason.
Note that only one party focuses on the polls.
On one hand, you have the Democratic Party, whose speakers' messages are generally that Trump is unfit for office because of a variety of reasons, so Democrats need to band together behind Hillary to beat him in the election.
On the other hand, you have the Republican Party, whose speakers' messages span from Hillary Clinton should be locked up and put in jail to Hillary Clinton should be put in front of a firing squad and executed for treason.
Note that only one party focuses on the polls.
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I'm afraid the Bernie or Bust people will not only not support Hillary in her campaign to be President and will not vote for her. What I fear is that every step of the way, they will be undermining her (and us) with an "I told you so" at every perceived mis-step that Hillary Clinton is sure to make.
I do believe we have to try to be inclusive of these people in our ranks as Democrats, but the kind of attitude I expect (based on experience, though I hope I'm wrong) will do nothing to help Democrats or our nation.
I do believe we have to try to be inclusive of these people in our ranks as Democrats, but the kind of attitude I expect (based on experience, though I hope I'm wrong) will do nothing to help Democrats or our nation.
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There are a great many people in this country who don't vote - voter turnout in the US is appallingly low. Some of these people were inspired by Bernie, especially the young. Without Bernie they will revert to their non-voting ways. It is up to Hillary to inspire them if she wants their votes. But insulting Sanders or insulting them isn't going to get them.
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First. They AREN'T Democrats -- and some of them will NEVER be placated.
But it will be interesting to see how far their "I told you so" will get them once they help to elect billionaire racist Donald Trump, who thinks ZIP of their "revolution".
The irony of it all......
But it will be interesting to see how far their "I told you so" will get them once they help to elect billionaire racist Donald Trump, who thinks ZIP of their "revolution".
The irony of it all......
It's not the fault of Sen. Sanders nor of his supporters that the Democratic Party has nominated a damaged candidate, a woman who polls more negatively with the general electorate than any other Democratic candidate in history. Not Adlai Stevenson. Not George McGovern. Not Michael Dukakis.
The "Blame Bernie" chorus started tuning up months ago on left-leaning blogs in preparation for any bad outcome in November, so you're a little late to that party.
And on behalf to "these people" who represent 46% of the Democratic electorate, I offer my heartfelt thanks for believing that you should try to include us in the ranks of Democrats. Your words, not mine
The "Blame Bernie" chorus started tuning up months ago on left-leaning blogs in preparation for any bad outcome in November, so you're a little late to that party.
And on behalf to "these people" who represent 46% of the Democratic electorate, I offer my heartfelt thanks for believing that you should try to include us in the ranks of Democrats. Your words, not mine
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I wonder if The New York Times will ever demonstrate the maturity and intellectual honesty required to take responsibility for their not insignificant part in creating the justified fury, disunity and chaos. I will not hold my breath.
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As the popular TV series, “Mr. Robot” tagline reads, “Our democracy has been hacked.” Since the FBI is “highly confident” about the Russian fingerprint in the DNC’s honeypot, it will be interesting to see what our democracy will look like, if the Putin-favored candidate, Donald Trump, is elected to the Oval Office?
It would be ironic, if the leader of the party of conspiracy theories were now entangled in one himself? In a weird way, both our democracy and our cyber defenses will emerge stronger, if the people make the right choice in November – and, they know what that is!
It would be ironic, if the leader of the party of conspiracy theories were now entangled in one himself? In a weird way, both our democracy and our cyber defenses will emerge stronger, if the people make the right choice in November – and, they know what that is!
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Given the amount of continuing anger among Bernie delegates and their disappointments with a Democratic Party that just wants to shut them up — these are people, after all, who booed a pastor speaking at the convention's opening, and who shouted "sellout" at former progressive darling Elizabeth Warren as she spoke — it's quite likely that they will take their "revolution" elsewhere, either by creating their own party or joining another.
For now, Democratic Party elites will sell the idea of "unity" through their allies in the mainstream media. But don't believe it. The party's angry base has other ideas. They will either take over the party, or leave it.
Donald Trump really could win.
For now, Democratic Party elites will sell the idea of "unity" through their allies in the mainstream media. But don't believe it. The party's angry base has other ideas. They will either take over the party, or leave it.
Donald Trump really could win.
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3 cheers to anyone who boos religious nonsense at political or government events. Alternatively, one can adopt the approach of Debbie Whatshername-Doltz and encourage hatred of free-thinking people who refuse to endorse mythology.
I agree with the editorial: gimme a loud, chaotic, confusing, peaceful convention with some joy in it over a loud, chaotic, menacing, vicious rally among far-right loons who've had their sense of humor surgically extirpated any old day.
And gimme a flawed, experienced, knowledgeable, tough old pol over whatever the hell it is that Trump happens to be this week any old day, too.
And gimme a flawed, experienced, knowledgeable, tough old pol over whatever the hell it is that Trump happens to be this week any old day, too.
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the butterfly effect, supremes throwing election to W. Bush, can create more harm than we know. Our country can only withstand so many bad decisions before its breaks (I.e. Slavery and civil war). A thriving middle class is as critical to our democracy as our constitution and way of governing. How much more of our extreme economic inequality can this country take ?
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The Democratic convention has been a class act. From my living room, I feel like I truly belong. The diversity of delegates and speakers is America. The Democratic Party has given Bernie Sanders the respect he deserves (unlike Ted at the other convention). The Democratic infrastructure proved critical for him-- media, debates etc. He knew the rules going in, and he lost by almost 4 million votes. Nevertheless, Bernie has had a strong voice at the convention, he has been highly lauded, he solidified a progressive platform, he has received extensive media coverage, and they even took a state roll call (unlike the Republicans) to reflect his impact and influence.
This is now Hillary’s convention. It’s now Hillary’s time to really introduce herself to America. Any objective person will soon recognize that Hillary has done so much for our country-- in social justice and progressive causes. The Clinton’s were not handed millions of dollars by their parents, quite the contrary, they worked hard for everything they have; they are a real American success story.
I have never felt ambivalent about Hillary and I have always respected her quiet, hard work behind the scenes. She has never sought glory. That is why many people don’t’ know or understand her. I for one have never felt like I am settling for Hillary, I fully support her ideals and I am fully confident that she will make a great president.
This is now Hillary’s convention. It’s now Hillary’s time to really introduce herself to America. Any objective person will soon recognize that Hillary has done so much for our country-- in social justice and progressive causes. The Clinton’s were not handed millions of dollars by their parents, quite the contrary, they worked hard for everything they have; they are a real American success story.
I have never felt ambivalent about Hillary and I have always respected her quiet, hard work behind the scenes. She has never sought glory. That is why many people don’t’ know or understand her. I for one have never felt like I am settling for Hillary, I fully support her ideals and I am fully confident that she will make a great president.
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Donald J. Trump is a danger to us all, even to his supporters though they can't realize it. It is impossible to bring back the 1950s and the world again become the fantasy of All in the Family. I don't now and never did like Hillary Clinton but I will vote for her as the only sane choice.
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oh, NOW you say nice things about him
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Michelle Obama: '... Mrs. Clinton, upon losing the nomination in 2008, “did not pack up and go home,” because she knew “this is so much bigger than her own desires and disappointments.”'
Actually, she was thinking: there's always 2016. For HC, there's ONLY her own desires.
Actually, she was thinking: there's always 2016. For HC, there's ONLY her own desires.
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Actually she was plotting to take over the DNC so they would try to scare off other potential candidates (Biden, Warren, Sanders) from running, and stack the deck in her favor.
@david
Have you got any proof of anything you're saying????
No. Didn't think so.
Have you got any proof of anything you're saying????
No. Didn't think so.
Gee, Times, I'm trying to think what's missing from this editorial. What's missing...
Oh! DNC emails!! You know: those emails that revealed how rotten and corrupt the whole system is?? Those emails that have revealed what a fraud Bernie Sanders is, what a fraud he's been all along? Those emails that prove, if you vote this election, you might as well walk around w a brighty neon light on your forehead flashing "SUCKER."
Oh! DNC emails!! You know: those emails that revealed how rotten and corrupt the whole system is?? Those emails that have revealed what a fraud Bernie Sanders is, what a fraud he's been all along? Those emails that prove, if you vote this election, you might as well walk around w a brighty neon light on your forehead flashing "SUCKER."
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This is politics, not a ladies' tea party (no pun intended). Politeness is off the table.
I don't know why the editorial feels that they have to mention that Sanders was disappointed in not winning the nomination. It's natural that people who strive for a goal are disappointed by their failure to achieve that goal. I am also bewildered by people who feel that there shouldn't be tension between rivals, as I am by those absolutists who refuse to accept less than what they want. There is no such thing as party unity, anytime, anywhere. Political parties are made up of coalitions with GENERALLY agreed upon directions, and within them there are factions. Some want to go fast, other slow, others not at all. Voters shouldn't expect the passing of specific measures unless they gather the votes to do so.
Failing that, the best a voter can do is determine what is the general direction of a candidate, vote for the one you agree with, and hope for the best. And for those who are frustrated by legislative inaction, remember that unless you provide the votes for your program, don't expect others to vote for them. So, don't complain, get out and get the votes.
Failing that, the best a voter can do is determine what is the general direction of a candidate, vote for the one you agree with, and hope for the best. And for those who are frustrated by legislative inaction, remember that unless you provide the votes for your program, don't expect others to vote for them. So, don't complain, get out and get the votes.
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"Voters shouldn't expect the passing of specific measures unless they gather the votes to do so."
Im curious, does that apply to Obama having to work with congress, or his pen and phone legislating Ok with you ?
Im curious, does that apply to Obama having to work with congress, or his pen and phone legislating Ok with you ?
rocket@, the leader, whatever his name, should try to push through the measure, it is the voter who should be aware of the political balance and of the chances to get the desired program through.
Even those that profess to not be in denial of climate change, don't seem worried about it. Scientists don't paint a rosy picture of the future of the next few generations, but it's not just the Republicans who are in denial. Bernie seemed the only one interested at the DNC. Al Gore might have enlightened the delegates but the Clintons have always been in denial of Mr. Gore's earthly testaments.
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It was Al Gore who decided to walk away from the Clintons instead of using their power and charisma to help him win an election that would not have been close had he worked with them. The day Al Gore dropped out of the fight for a Florida recount-- a battle he could and should have described as "this is not about me, it is about every single voter believing their vote counts"-- is the day that Al Gore sold out the Democratic party. With both those decisions, he enabled eight years of GW which have been the undoing of our country.
Hello from Oklahoma to the bay area. My comment was in reference to climate change..... And the "undoing of our country" was demonizing the indigenous who were good stewards of this land, and then colonizing it with a sick euro-descended class culture that is quickly degrading our planet past recognition.
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"a tolerance of dissenting views, a willingness to compromise, the eternal search for common ground"
Tolerance of dissenting views, unless those views oppose the global warming propaganda, or oppose the confiscation of private property in order to increase a tax base, or oppose the overt racism of Black Lives Matter.
Willingness to compromise, unless that means recognizing the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, or that a man cut up to look like a woman is still a man, or that enforcing the law equally means deporting all illegal immigrants and stopping the continuing flood of illegals across the border.
The eternal search for common ground.... ...as long as the progresswives get it all their way.
Pathetic.
Tolerance of dissenting views, unless those views oppose the global warming propaganda, or oppose the confiscation of private property in order to increase a tax base, or oppose the overt racism of Black Lives Matter.
Willingness to compromise, unless that means recognizing the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, or that a man cut up to look like a woman is still a man, or that enforcing the law equally means deporting all illegal immigrants and stopping the continuing flood of illegals across the border.
The eternal search for common ground.... ...as long as the progresswives get it all their way.
Pathetic.
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If by "common ground" you mean any view emanating from the party of the 50s (that's 1850s), then no, I guess you can truthfully say that there isn't common ground to be had.
Oh, by the way, how did Cleveland score on the common-ground-o-meter?
Oh, by the way, how did Cleveland score on the common-ground-o-meter?
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The Bernie and Hillary factions of the Democratic Party are like two sports teams--friendly rival--who fight the good fight. And then, it's up to the winner to l;lambast the evil arch-enemy. Once the preliminary winner is decided, a common bond should form against the evil one.
Just after the preliminary competition, emotions run high, tempers are short and the wounds are still oozing. That's where the "Bernie or Bust" folks are now. That's the small part of the primary losing team, who might be slow in reminding themselves of who--or what--the real goal is, which remains to be accomplished.
In time, however, most of the Bernie die-hats will, indeed, "Get over it!" In most cases, their promises today, in the heat of battle, will give way to common sense tomorrow!
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Just after the preliminary competition, emotions run high, tempers are short and the wounds are still oozing. That's where the "Bernie or Bust" folks are now. That's the small part of the primary losing team, who might be slow in reminding themselves of who--or what--the real goal is, which remains to be accomplished.
In time, however, most of the Bernie die-hats will, indeed, "Get over it!" In most cases, their promises today, in the heat of battle, will give way to common sense tomorrow!
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
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The DNC fought a bad fight, and Debbie Schultz Wasserman is now being rewarded for waging that bad fight by its primary beneficiary.
Corruption endures.
Corruption endures.
@andrew
Wake-up. That's the way of the "real world", not just the DNC.
Wake-up. That's the way of the "real world", not just the DNC.
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I live in the same county (Broward) as DWS. When you consider all of the things that any Member of Congress should be involved in, having the administrative and fund-raising duties of the Party Chair roll should only be for a limited time--if they do, in fact, have a daytime job. At least with the RNC, it seems to be a full-time job.
Watching the Democratic Convention makes me proud. Proud of the contributions of my little state of Vermont and the campaigns of Senator Sanders and Governor Dean, proud to be a Democrat, and overwhelmingly proud to support the first woman President of the United States.
I have to admit I was near tears as I watched.
I have to admit I was near tears as I watched.
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Yes. Let's hear it for Vermont!!! -- it was nice to finally see Bernie Sanders smiling again.
And while we're not all singing "Kumbaya", hopefully we'll get through this election on top....I dread thinking otherwise.
And while we're not all singing "Kumbaya", hopefully we'll get through this election on top....I dread thinking otherwise.
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Democracy is messy - it should be messy - it must be messy. If there is one good thing that seems to be coming out in the midst of this otherwise horrible election, it is that, at least on the Democratic side, more people actually seem to be paying attention.
Why do I say on the Democratic side? Because in discussions I have had with acquaintances who are favoring Trump, I have discovered that they don't even know what's in the Republican platform - rather they are simply listening to Trump. That is not - repeat, not - paying attention, because the Republican platform is a truly horrifying document.
The American people, going back about forty years, have, I think, taken their democracy for granted. Over time, fewer and fewer of us have paid attention or participated, and one day we woke up and found ourselves governed by an oligarchy. Perhaps that can now be changed, but it won't be changed by being politically correct, or even polite.
Why do I say on the Democratic side? Because in discussions I have had with acquaintances who are favoring Trump, I have discovered that they don't even know what's in the Republican platform - rather they are simply listening to Trump. That is not - repeat, not - paying attention, because the Republican platform is a truly horrifying document.
The American people, going back about forty years, have, I think, taken their democracy for granted. Over time, fewer and fewer of us have paid attention or participated, and one day we woke up and found ourselves governed by an oligarchy. Perhaps that can now be changed, but it won't be changed by being politically correct, or even polite.
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"taken democracy for granted" are you kidding me ? This from the party that chose their nominee behind closed doors in 2012 and made sure it happened. At least TRUMP was nominated by the people, something you guys seem to forget.
The headline sums it up perfectly. This is what democracy looks like.
It would have been nice if the media, overall, had made this observation during "Boo Monday." True, the Bernie or Busters were behaving awfully and came off more ridiculous than anything else (and I'm a Bernie supporter), but that is democracy. Both candidates, and larger numbers before them, had their chance. They all campaigned, they all had their chance to have their voices heard. They tried their best to distinguish themselves from their competitors without, for the most part, the rancor and insults that characterized the Republican primary process and that still characterize the Republican nominee.
And, because he is a decent and honorable man, and because this is what democracy looks like, Sen. Sanders rose to the occasion and supported Sec. Clinton in her win. I would suggest that Republicans could learn much from this, but I doubt they are interested.
It would have been nice if the media, overall, had made this observation during "Boo Monday." True, the Bernie or Busters were behaving awfully and came off more ridiculous than anything else (and I'm a Bernie supporter), but that is democracy. Both candidates, and larger numbers before them, had their chance. They all campaigned, they all had their chance to have their voices heard. They tried their best to distinguish themselves from their competitors without, for the most part, the rancor and insults that characterized the Republican primary process and that still characterize the Republican nominee.
And, because he is a decent and honorable man, and because this is what democracy looks like, Sen. Sanders rose to the occasion and supported Sec. Clinton in her win. I would suggest that Republicans could learn much from this, but I doubt they are interested.
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I would disagree, I think Sanders could have taken a page from ted cruz's book and told the voters to vote their conscience. ESPECIALLY after seeing the evidence the DNC rigged the whole game.. He is a sell out and lost all credibility with the socialist. You cant tell me the DNC isnt deserving of a hard lesson in consequences.
@rocket
Unlike yourself, Senator Sanders recognizes the potential threat of having a Trump Presidency.
Not only because the G.O.P. wouldn't do ANY part of the things he wants to get done (and at least, the DNC is willing to try to do), but because a Republican President, Congress and Supreme Court would wreak havoc on this nation.
Sanders is not a "sell-out". He's a realist.
But evidently, you are not.
Unlike yourself, Senator Sanders recognizes the potential threat of having a Trump Presidency.
Not only because the G.O.P. wouldn't do ANY part of the things he wants to get done (and at least, the DNC is willing to try to do), but because a Republican President, Congress and Supreme Court would wreak havoc on this nation.
Sanders is not a "sell-out". He's a realist.
But evidently, you are not.
Coverage of the DNC email scandal and any repercussions from the obvious bias for Sec. Clinton exhibited by Clinton apparatchiks placed in the DNC throughout the primary process has ceased. Now we are being told that the real story is that Julian Assange is nothing more than Vladimir Putin's catspaw.
Despite Sen. Sanders' speech on Monday night praising Clinton and his call for nomination by acclamation, the arena's upper tiers emptied immediately after the vote. This is where the delegations from states that voted for Sanders were relegated while states that voted heavily for Sec. Clinton were on the floor and in front of the cameras. Not a "small percentage of his supporters" walked out as reported by the Times, but virtually entire delegations. Granted these are by definition Sanders' most ardent supporters and Clinton's greatest detractors, but they are also the first hand witnesses to the very smelly process that handed her the nomination and formed the party platform. They are the tireless workers who brought Sanders to the cusp of the nomination.
Whatever calculations the Clinton camp has made re: not needing these people come November... I'm guessing the #FearofTrump is playing a large role in their plans... they ignore and discount these Democrats at their, and our, great peril.
Despite Sen. Sanders' speech on Monday night praising Clinton and his call for nomination by acclamation, the arena's upper tiers emptied immediately after the vote. This is where the delegations from states that voted for Sanders were relegated while states that voted heavily for Sec. Clinton were on the floor and in front of the cameras. Not a "small percentage of his supporters" walked out as reported by the Times, but virtually entire delegations. Granted these are by definition Sanders' most ardent supporters and Clinton's greatest detractors, but they are also the first hand witnesses to the very smelly process that handed her the nomination and formed the party platform. They are the tireless workers who brought Sanders to the cusp of the nomination.
Whatever calculations the Clinton camp has made re: not needing these people come November... I'm guessing the #FearofTrump is playing a large role in their plans... they ignore and discount these Democrats at their, and our, great peril.
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Politics is, quite simply, the process of coalition building--it's just that the word "politics" has become pejorative. Anyone who thinks that coalition building doesn't produce meaningful change is nuts. We have the Affordable Care Act. We have marriage equality. These groundbreaking achievements were not the result of some overnight revolution, but rather, slow, calculated political change. Now, we are watching politics happen before our eyes as we watch the Democratic convention--politics at its best. I'm proud of Bernie, Hillary, the Obamas, Warren, and so many others. I'm really proud of the platform. If the Democrats can win the White House and the Senate (please don't forget about the Senatorial races), we'll have politics at its best to look forward to for years to come.
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Democracy? A recently-certified citizen was quick to inform me that we have "not democracy, it's a republic!" And that's part of the problem, both at the level of the electoral college and party rules that prevent convention delegates from free voting.
A possible democracy elected Al Gore, but lost to our biased process. A possible democracy allows for all citizens to vote without state-level filtration and skewing.
A possible democracy might allow shadow forces to try to buy elections, but would make it more visible, and more difficult.
A possible democracy would have Mr. Sanders remaining on the ballot.
No, what we have is not what a democracy looks like, and it's not the nicest example of a republic either. It's more like some venal tug of war between unelected exploitative private interests.
A possible democracy could still put Mr. Sanders on the ballot.
A possible democracy elected Al Gore, but lost to our biased process. A possible democracy allows for all citizens to vote without state-level filtration and skewing.
A possible democracy might allow shadow forces to try to buy elections, but would make it more visible, and more difficult.
A possible democracy would have Mr. Sanders remaining on the ballot.
No, what we have is not what a democracy looks like, and it's not the nicest example of a republic either. It's more like some venal tug of war between unelected exploitative private interests.
A possible democracy could still put Mr. Sanders on the ballot.
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I enjoyed Bill Clinton's speech last night. He provided a lot of information in a funny and memorable manner. One fact that I found interesting is the extent of her qualifications and realizing how active Hillary has been. After losing the nomination in 2008, she didn't slink off to tell lies about our president. She continued to be involved in public service and to obtain the experience that people accused her of lacking. Trump, however, never bothered to run for a different office. He didn't create a foundation to take on international concerns. In fact, outside of participating in his businesses, Trump has done nothing to prepare himself for the unique challenges that the president faces on a daily basis. That shows that he does not care enough to improve himself in preparation to serve this country.
Another thing that I found interesting is that Bill and Hillary have been together for at least 45 years. That is very impressive. Yes, the two of them have been through a number of hardships and challenges. But it is refreshing to see two people who are committed to their marriage and working it out (unlike Trump, who has been married 3 times, fathered children from each marriage, and has had an unspecified number of affairs).
Another thing that I found interesting is that Bill and Hillary have been together for at least 45 years. That is very impressive. Yes, the two of them have been through a number of hardships and challenges. But it is refreshing to see two people who are committed to their marriage and working it out (unlike Trump, who has been married 3 times, fathered children from each marriage, and has had an unspecified number of affairs).
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I agree totally Claire. Also, HRC is a baby boomer who has succeeded greatly in life. Most of the successful women of her era feel as I do--that she like us, succeeded in part because she had a husband who admired her; who encouraged her to engage in the battles against sexism; and who were loving partners in the home. That's why we still love Bill; why we forgave him for his transgressions (just as his wife did); why we appreciate the support for Hillary and by extension all women, that he expressed through his beautiful speech last night. And it's why I for one cried from the moment he described her as his "best friend." My husband would say the same about me.
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" But it is refreshing to see two people who are committed to their marriage ..."
Yes, the commitment of being the first husband and wife to be president of the United States. That's some glue!
Yes, the commitment of being the first husband and wife to be president of the United States. That's some glue!
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The primary processes isn't the same as the general election. The general election is run by the various governments to determine who will occupy positions to do the public's business. The primaries are run by the various governments for the purpose of the parties. In some cases the primary is to select a candidate, in others it is to select a delegate to a convention. To look for democracy in a political party is to set yourself up for frustration.
We should instead ask
Why does government run primaries at all? Should these be at least paid for by the various parties?
Why do the ballot access rules for national offices (US Congress, US Senate, President/Vice President) vary so much from state to state?
Why are the two main parties (D's and R's) afforded so much advantage over "minor" parties in primary hosting, ballot access, campaign financing and other government support?
I don't think Sanders supporters have a strong case for being mis-treated, After insisting for decades he was not a Dem and was independent, Sanders was allowed to contend for the most coveted slot in the Party. That a long term member who had spent her career advancing not only the policies of the party but also many of the members, isn't surprising. That members of the inner circle would favor the lifer is also not a surprise.
We will again see in Cliton vs Trump that politics is a team sport.
We should instead ask
Why does government run primaries at all? Should these be at least paid for by the various parties?
Why do the ballot access rules for national offices (US Congress, US Senate, President/Vice President) vary so much from state to state?
Why are the two main parties (D's and R's) afforded so much advantage over "minor" parties in primary hosting, ballot access, campaign financing and other government support?
I don't think Sanders supporters have a strong case for being mis-treated, After insisting for decades he was not a Dem and was independent, Sanders was allowed to contend for the most coveted slot in the Party. That a long term member who had spent her career advancing not only the policies of the party but also many of the members, isn't surprising. That members of the inner circle would favor the lifer is also not a surprise.
We will again see in Cliton vs Trump that politics is a team sport.
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No, this is what manipulation and cronyism looks like. Rather blatantly, too.
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Oddly enough, that perfectly describes the RNC as well.
The only exception is the Democratic nominee isn't endorsed by the NRA and the Ku Klux Klan.
The only exception is the Democratic nominee isn't endorsed by the NRA and the Ku Klux Klan.
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As to ” Mrs. Obama spoke of waking up “in a house that was built by slaves,” wouldn't it be more honest to say that slaves helped to build the White House?
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They were a jolly bunch of volunteers, I'm sure.
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If you are that concernned with the semantics, you are obviously missing the point.
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The founding fathers themselves "fathered" several slave children.
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Bernie's agenda is now spearheaded by Hillary, and I'm delighted with that outcome.
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Hillary is the bestest ever at finger to the wind "principles"
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We will see what Democracy Looks Like when Wikileaks releases HRC's hacked Wall Street transcripts the week before the election.
The chutzpah of HRC to not release these transcripts beforehand and try to get in front of this story versus stonewalling, trying to protect herself from embarrassment and potentiallly losing the election to Donald Trump in the event of a "last minute" leak of these transcripts.
The chutzpah of HRC to not release these transcripts beforehand and try to get in front of this story versus stonewalling, trying to protect herself from embarrassment and potentiallly losing the election to Donald Trump in the event of a "last minute" leak of these transcripts.
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Yes, a few boos could be heard. It seems like the booers were loud but few in number. It mainly seemed to be a maid for Media noise.
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I don't agree. The DNC is apparently anti-democratic. Sanders never had a chance, he didn't get the memo that other Democrats got that this would be Hillary's year. Major reforms in the nominating process are called for.
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Well that memo was sent out 1 1/2 years ago.
And as any adult knows Bernie, an Independent for more than 30 years, only became a Democrat last year for the sole purpose to run for President.
So if Sanders or his petulant supporters thought he'd get the same backing HRC, an actual life long Democrat, would get then he his as naive as his base.
Bernie should have run as an Independent but, after 30 plus years as an Independent powerhouse Bernie had created no such apparatus to fund such an Independent race so he thought he'd glom into a real political parry because it suited him.
Sounds pretty unPresidential ifin' y'all ask me.
And as any adult knows Bernie, an Independent for more than 30 years, only became a Democrat last year for the sole purpose to run for President.
So if Sanders or his petulant supporters thought he'd get the same backing HRC, an actual life long Democrat, would get then he his as naive as his base.
Bernie should have run as an Independent but, after 30 plus years as an Independent powerhouse Bernie had created no such apparatus to fund such an Independent race so he thought he'd glom into a real political parry because it suited him.
Sounds pretty unPresidential ifin' y'all ask me.
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Remember when it was said that the two parties are so alike you can't tell them apart. Well not any more. It is not much oversimplifying to say the Democrats are the party of love and the Republicans are the party of hate. And history has already shown us what happens if those with the latter sentiment get in control.
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Sanders, Hillary, all speakers and an astounding majority of delegates showed admirable maturity by coming together and uniting after a long democratic process behind a well thought-out joint platform. They should all be proud of their accomplishment because they set the standard of how parties should operate worldwide.
At the same time I think both parties should do a full accounting of how they ended up harboring and ultimately being taken over by fringe elements that have no place inside them. On the GOP side the situation is dire. I used to be a republican till it was overrun by religious fundamentalists and now it is a full fledged fascist movement. The Democratic Party managed to dodge the bullet of infantile Utopianism discredited by history long ago, but they have to rethink very carefully how to reform their primary rules and how to vet outsiders before accepting them in the party and funding their campaigns.
Maybe if both parties finally became very selective in who they welcome and support by staying true to their founding principles, America would be able to have more than just two major parties which would be a great development for democracy.
At the same time I think both parties should do a full accounting of how they ended up harboring and ultimately being taken over by fringe elements that have no place inside them. On the GOP side the situation is dire. I used to be a republican till it was overrun by religious fundamentalists and now it is a full fledged fascist movement. The Democratic Party managed to dodge the bullet of infantile Utopianism discredited by history long ago, but they have to rethink very carefully how to reform their primary rules and how to vet outsiders before accepting them in the party and funding their campaigns.
Maybe if both parties finally became very selective in who they welcome and support by staying true to their founding principles, America would be able to have more than just two major parties which would be a great development for democracy.
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Bernie has come through for the good of the country and Democratic Party like a true patriot and leader. I have more respect for him now than ever.
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A big part of democracy in this country is the right to decent. We need to recognize that while we have two major incumbent political parties we have nothing in our constitution mandating the existence of this political party duopoly.
Citizens who are registered voters have right to support any candidate they choose and can support any political party they choose.
It is perfectly within in the right of voters unhappy with the nominations of the duopoly parties to support other candidates and other political parties. It is neither treason for a unhappy Republican to decide to support Johnson of the Libertarian Party instead of Donald Trump the Republican nominee for POTUS. Furthermore it is also not treason for a disgruntled Sanders voter to balk at the nomination of Hilary Clinton and write in Bernie Sanders name in November or switch allegiance and support Jill Stein of the Green / Rainbow Party.
Decent is as American as apple pie! A vote for a independent candidate like Johnson or Stein is not a de-facto vote for a Duopoly Party candidate. That is not how it works because it is not a binary election. The Duopoly of the Democrats and the Republicans in not mandated by law and their hegemony is breaking down rapidly.
So if you are unhappy with the two candidates offered by the Duopoly political parties, then by all means write in a candidate or support your choice of the independent candidates running in the election for POTUS in November.
That's democracy!
Citizens who are registered voters have right to support any candidate they choose and can support any political party they choose.
It is perfectly within in the right of voters unhappy with the nominations of the duopoly parties to support other candidates and other political parties. It is neither treason for a unhappy Republican to decide to support Johnson of the Libertarian Party instead of Donald Trump the Republican nominee for POTUS. Furthermore it is also not treason for a disgruntled Sanders voter to balk at the nomination of Hilary Clinton and write in Bernie Sanders name in November or switch allegiance and support Jill Stein of the Green / Rainbow Party.
Decent is as American as apple pie! A vote for a independent candidate like Johnson or Stein is not a de-facto vote for a Duopoly Party candidate. That is not how it works because it is not a binary election. The Duopoly of the Democrats and the Republicans in not mandated by law and their hegemony is breaking down rapidly.
So if you are unhappy with the two candidates offered by the Duopoly political parties, then by all means write in a candidate or support your choice of the independent candidates running in the election for POTUS in November.
That's democracy!
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Richard - In other elections I would agree with you, but the stakes are too high in this one. The two conventions show how dramatic the differences are. It's a choice between hate and hope. There is no question that Hillary Clinton is a flawed candidate; most are. But she will make a good president. To me the issue is simple: Paul von Hindenberg was a flawed candidate in 1932, but I'd vote for Hindenberg over Hitler every time. Best - Bill Wolk
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Whatever you think of Donald Trump, he ran against 16 Republican contenders and won, fair and square.
Hillary Clinton sought to lock out any competition prior to the primary, keep them out of the media by a low number of debates, funnel money to her campaign through state parties, and use the DNC as a private organization.
If that is what democracy looks like maybe we should all pause.
Hillary Clinton sought to lock out any competition prior to the primary, keep them out of the media by a low number of debates, funnel money to her campaign through state parties, and use the DNC as a private organization.
If that is what democracy looks like maybe we should all pause.
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Not really. Trump "won," and if that's winning you can keep it, against a pack of idiots--who, except for John Kasich and Jeb Bush, showed that they had just as little interest in reality and decency as did Trump himself.
He won by going to a party that was prepped for stupid and bigoted by decades of stupid and bigoted media. And he made it clear that there was nothing to which he wouldn't stoop: no level of lying, flip-flopping, pandering, racist attack, to which he wouldn't go.
And I mean that there was NOTHING he wouldn't say: he was, and stayed, about one fig leaf away from the Klan.
His mob knew what was under that fig leaf. That's why they voted for him in the primary; and now, he's supported by them plus anybody who just wants the Presidency, who cares what happens to this country.
Congratulations, I guess.
He won by going to a party that was prepped for stupid and bigoted by decades of stupid and bigoted media. And he made it clear that there was nothing to which he wouldn't stoop: no level of lying, flip-flopping, pandering, racist attack, to which he wouldn't go.
And I mean that there was NOTHING he wouldn't say: he was, and stayed, about one fig leaf away from the Klan.
His mob knew what was under that fig leaf. That's why they voted for him in the primary; and now, he's supported by them plus anybody who just wants the Presidency, who cares what happens to this country.
Congratulations, I guess.
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Trump won by bullying and lying. That's easy
I must admit, the more I'm told how I need to embrace Clinton's victory, the more I find it makes me sour.
Every 4 years we are told that satan is running with the GOP and that we must hunker down and support the DNC's pick. If we don't, the country is over as we know it. Don't get me wrong, the GOP does approve of some scary people, and TRUMP may beat them all (save for Palin). I never want another Bush/Cheney fiasco, either. But the fact that the DNC chooses who we can vote for is disgusting. The party leaders are not democratically elected. They are, by definition, insiders. They don't represent me, or you. They represent themselves and probably the big donor class, not us. They don't hold unlimited power, but they hold significant power. Undemocratic power.
The Editorial board tells me, "But she won millions more votes than Mr. Sanders, and this week, this campaign, this party, now belong to her." Excuse me? Won? The party belonged to her before she even announced her candidacy, back when she was getting 6 figures for a few hours of work that she won't talk about.
And yes, I'll vote for her. TRUMP is scary. The nation will blow up if I don't. Supreme Court, etc. She may even be a good president, but I am totally offended that the NYTimes and the DNC have shoved her down our throats without consulting us at all.
Every 4 years we are told that satan is running with the GOP and that we must hunker down and support the DNC's pick. If we don't, the country is over as we know it. Don't get me wrong, the GOP does approve of some scary people, and TRUMP may beat them all (save for Palin). I never want another Bush/Cheney fiasco, either. But the fact that the DNC chooses who we can vote for is disgusting. The party leaders are not democratically elected. They are, by definition, insiders. They don't represent me, or you. They represent themselves and probably the big donor class, not us. They don't hold unlimited power, but they hold significant power. Undemocratic power.
The Editorial board tells me, "But she won millions more votes than Mr. Sanders, and this week, this campaign, this party, now belong to her." Excuse me? Won? The party belonged to her before she even announced her candidacy, back when she was getting 6 figures for a few hours of work that she won't talk about.
And yes, I'll vote for her. TRUMP is scary. The nation will blow up if I don't. Supreme Court, etc. She may even be a good president, but I am totally offended that the NYTimes and the DNC have shoved her down our throats without consulting us at all.
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But, she was not the DNC's pick, she was the voters pick.
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Agree with some of your underlying points, but not overall - because for perhaps the first time in US history the hype is true! So its not actual hype, but reality based. Trump with a GOP heavy Congress would set this nation back so much the math doesn't exist to calculate it. Between the internecine GOP skirmishes (Trump wont let the party lead him around) and the lack of any policies from him or the party - and we're doomed to 4 years of less then nothing. Compounded by Trump bloviating and threatening (and likely acting rashly) whomever disagrees with him.
He's already threatened the press with Executive orders and lawsuits. He deliberately panders to racists and those who hate as a past-time. He has yet to make a truly fact-based, and relevant point about any of his former opponents, or Mrs. Clinton. He idolizes dictators and does questionable business with Russian oligarchs, has no real visible means for his wealth (his RE deals and such cant generate that much ready cash!) and he refuses to listen to anyone but himself, and maybe his children! Children that he'd likely appoint to his cabinet as his sole-advisors and "protectors".
Sure many of us would like more options, but the current political system and its members ain't offering up many. And that's more the fault of the overall system, and the apathy of the general public, then it is either of the two Parties management teams. Or the NYT's!
Stop it already, the path is clear! Clinton is the only logical pick!
He's already threatened the press with Executive orders and lawsuits. He deliberately panders to racists and those who hate as a past-time. He has yet to make a truly fact-based, and relevant point about any of his former opponents, or Mrs. Clinton. He idolizes dictators and does questionable business with Russian oligarchs, has no real visible means for his wealth (his RE deals and such cant generate that much ready cash!) and he refuses to listen to anyone but himself, and maybe his children! Children that he'd likely appoint to his cabinet as his sole-advisors and "protectors".
Sure many of us would like more options, but the current political system and its members ain't offering up many. And that's more the fault of the overall system, and the apathy of the general public, then it is either of the two Parties management teams. Or the NYT's!
Stop it already, the path is clear! Clinton is the only logical pick!
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You were "consulted" just like everyone else was, during the primaries and again during the roll call. She won. Time to move forward. That's how democracy works.
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"[S]he won millions more votes than Mr. Sanders, and this week, this campaign, this party, now belong to her."
I guess that it was a simple oversight that the Editorial Board of the New York Times failed to mention the hundreds of Democratic Party establishment superdelegates that were in Hillary Clinton's column before any ordinary citizen had cast a single vote in any state primary. I guess that it was also a simple oversight that the Editorial Board of the New York Times failed to mention the 3 million Independent voters who were "disenfranchised" by primary election rules in the New York requiring a 193-day advance change in party affiliation in order to vote (Bernie lost by 250 thousand votes). And, of course, there was the recent email revelation that the "neutral" DNC had put a heavy thumb and a thigh bone on the scale of impartiality in favor of Hillary and against Bernie throughout the election cycle (Good bye, Debbie).
Maybe the New York Times will write an editorial of apology to Bernie Sanders and his millions of supporters later this week for any untoward bias in favor of Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders in its own editorials, op-ed's, periodic columns (ex, Paul Krugman), and daily reporting.
I guess that it was a simple oversight that the Editorial Board of the New York Times failed to mention the hundreds of Democratic Party establishment superdelegates that were in Hillary Clinton's column before any ordinary citizen had cast a single vote in any state primary. I guess that it was also a simple oversight that the Editorial Board of the New York Times failed to mention the 3 million Independent voters who were "disenfranchised" by primary election rules in the New York requiring a 193-day advance change in party affiliation in order to vote (Bernie lost by 250 thousand votes). And, of course, there was the recent email revelation that the "neutral" DNC had put a heavy thumb and a thigh bone on the scale of impartiality in favor of Hillary and against Bernie throughout the election cycle (Good bye, Debbie).
Maybe the New York Times will write an editorial of apology to Bernie Sanders and his millions of supporters later this week for any untoward bias in favor of Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders in its own editorials, op-ed's, periodic columns (ex, Paul Krugman), and daily reporting.
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Speaking of oversights, you care to comment on a) the fact that Clinton won the majority of delegates who weren't superdelegates too, b) the popular vote, by several million?
Anything you'd care to observe about a) Sanders and you lot telling black voters they weren't smart enough to know who to vote for, and that anyway their primary votes in a Red State meant nothing, or b) the way you guys trumpeted about winning in caucus states among a few voters, while pop votes among many more voters showed that you lost?
Anything you'd care to observe about a) Sanders and you lot telling black voters they weren't smart enough to know who to vote for, and that anyway their primary votes in a Red State meant nothing, or b) the way you guys trumpeted about winning in caucus states among a few voters, while pop votes among many more voters showed that you lost?
Sanders lost by almost 4 million votes. He wasn't even close. Yet his supporters act like the Republican members of congress---booing, walking out, refusing to vote when they don't get their way, even tho they were not in the majority. That their behavior is tolerated shows this is indeed a democracy. In other countries they could be jailed or beheaded.
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David Henry Thoreau, mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela all believed in the power of non cooperation movement, boycotts and civil disobedience as Peaceful ways of demonstrating dissent.
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"I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat."
Will Rogers, progressive humorist.
"Bernie or Busters" would do well to acquire a sense of humor.
Will Rogers, progressive humorist.
"Bernie or Busters" would do well to acquire a sense of humor.
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Like war, images of the likes of a Donald Trump in the White House; in the role of president, commander and chief; leader of the free world has the capacity to immediately unite in opposition those of us who are the least bit conscious and aware and who also possess and use even minimal operational critical thinking skills and an intact survival mechanism..
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Very well written. The "go high, not low" line from Mrs Obama really stuck with me. What a speech - it will go down as one of the memorable ones along with some of her spouses. I had, by the way, a boss once that had the kind om mesmerizing talent that Donald Trump had. When promotion came everyone wanted him to lead the firm, not the slightly bureaucratic alternative. It proved he didn't get things done - it was chaos, he couldn't work with people, made some people his favorites, become more and more authoritarian when put under pressure. Imagine that guy in the White House. It will happen in November if people doesn't elect Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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It is a trifle perplexing that so many Bernie supporters, who ardently believe that he is strong and wise enough to be entrusted with the nuclear football, are now unwilling to take the advice of their hero when it comes to losing gracefully and supporting Hillary.
Perhaps this recalcitrant residue, who now purport to be wiser than their own guru, are in fact crypto-trumpistas. Go figger.
Perhaps this recalcitrant residue, who now purport to be wiser than their own guru, are in fact crypto-trumpistas. Go figger.
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They are not lemmings. They want real change not a continuation of "elite insider" Democratic policies as advanced by HRC.
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nyalman
Right. And you think you'll get that with Trump and the RNC????
Because, I hate to tell you, there's NO WAY a third-party candidate will be elected President this go round.
Right. And you think you'll get that with Trump and the RNC????
Because, I hate to tell you, there's NO WAY a third-party candidate will be elected President this go round.
Hillary kept quiet in 2008 because Obama promised her State. Wonder what Hilary offered Bernie. In any case, the Sanders supported were muzzled pretty effectively and Bernie folded obediently.
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"muzzled pretty effectively"? "Bernie folded obediently?" Are we humans dogs now, to be muzzled and folded by Hillary supporters who order, sit, stay, play dead, roll over...
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@sp
So. WHAT is more important to you? -- getting SOME of the things Sanders has asked for? --- Or, getting NONE of the things Sanders has asked for???
Pretty easy to figure out, isn't it?
No one was "muzzled". No one "folded".
Time to flip that victim card.
So. WHAT is more important to you? -- getting SOME of the things Sanders has asked for? --- Or, getting NONE of the things Sanders has asked for???
Pretty easy to figure out, isn't it?
No one was "muzzled". No one "folded".
Time to flip that victim card.
We don't really know what the Bernie supporters will do. What we do know, and they do as well, is that he caved to the establishment. They thought he was different than other politicians and he meant what he said when he proclaimed Hillary was not qualified. But it turns out Bernie is just like all the other politicians. He has lived out of taxpayers wallets most of his adult life and he intends to keep it that way. He has had his time on the daily nightly news and on the front page on in the editorial section of the NYT. The is something professional politicians crave. So now his disillusioned followers will have to decide, do the vote for someone they were told was unqualified or Trump or even a third party candidate. If Clinton doesn't get their vote, it will hurt her chances in a close election. Bernie says he is going back to being an independent. So the question is will his followers continue to carry their banner even if he walks away. It will be interesting
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The frequent canard here by some that the Democratic 'elite' though the DNC has cheated Sanders from winning the primary, is a canard that doesn't fly.
A little more than a handful of DNC employees, and dumb ones to at that, have disparaged Bernie Sanders in emails, even questioning his faith.
The fact that Hillary Clinton won almost four million more of the popular vote than Bernie Sanders, was in no way influenced by those mails.
The DNC server was actually hacked in April of last year already.
Dumping them now just before the Democratic one is clearly a sign that some nefarious players from abroad want to influence our general election.
One of them, Julian Assange, is sitting safe in the Russian friendly Embassy of Ecuador in London, out of reach of Swedish prosecutors who want to interview him on rape charges by numerous women. The other ones sit in Russian agencies through whose server these mails were bumped, including their military.
So, don't scream the whole primary process was not 'democratic'.
And a little note to Mr. Luettgen. No, screaming 'Lock her up" at the Republican Convention is not an exercise of democracy, and that happened before you you and yours even knew about the mails.
A little more than a handful of DNC employees, and dumb ones to at that, have disparaged Bernie Sanders in emails, even questioning his faith.
The fact that Hillary Clinton won almost four million more of the popular vote than Bernie Sanders, was in no way influenced by those mails.
The DNC server was actually hacked in April of last year already.
Dumping them now just before the Democratic one is clearly a sign that some nefarious players from abroad want to influence our general election.
One of them, Julian Assange, is sitting safe in the Russian friendly Embassy of Ecuador in London, out of reach of Swedish prosecutors who want to interview him on rape charges by numerous women. The other ones sit in Russian agencies through whose server these mails were bumped, including their military.
So, don't scream the whole primary process was not 'democratic'.
And a little note to Mr. Luettgen. No, screaming 'Lock her up" at the Republican Convention is not an exercise of democracy, and that happened before you you and yours even knew about the mails.
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DEMOCRACY Means power to the people. In the context of the 60s, it came to mean the empowerment of the powerless. It became emblematic of the civil rights revolution, the war on poverty and the great society. Democracy is having a resurgence as the pendulum swings back from the authoritarian modality of the GOP to the talking through, or the dialectic, that is the vehicle necessary for the functioning of a democracy. We reinvent democracy in the new generation youth by passing along the torch, as we Boomers age and leave the planet. I feel greatly comforted to see a return to messy democracy from the vicious authoritarian model we have suffered in the US from the GOP where mind reading, submission and dog whistle politics (a weird substitute for buzz words) have been far too much in vogue. We see proven in the Democrats' convention the timeworn phrase that has been applied to it since 1947 when it was first uttered by Winston Churchill, that democracy is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. So as a Democrat and Child of the 60s, I'm proud of the mess we have made of our convention and will be glad to witness the spread of messiness in government as we move forward to embrace a variety of viewpoints and to hold compromise in high regard. Cleaning up after the messy negotiations of the democratic process is far better than the power elite, or the 1% exploiting and ultimately strangling the 99%.
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When elections are bought, media corporations spew propaganda, laws are made by a wealthy elite, lawbreakers go to corporate prisons that py investors dividends, justice goes to highest bidder, education requires debt slavery (effectively killing any meritocracy), and health care provided to individuals based on wealth, then there is no democracy. The messiness you see is worrisome, but it is not democracy. Democracy does not live in these United States.
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While we need a Supreme Court to decide judicial matters in an equitable and just way as well as a titular leader who represents our nation to the world, there is little or no need for the load of representatives who while they purport to represent the people in practice push for and pass legislation which favors those with the deepest pockets in spite of constituent needs.
With today's communication tools, bills, measures and changes of any sort in any field can be brought up for referendum with little difficulty makiing direct representation by the electorate a practical reality. For all practical purpose we do not need to elect a representative to do our bidding. The deliberative process by elected representatives does not need a middle man who far too often exhibits little concern for those he or less frequently she represents. Too often representation is an invitation to bend laws in favor of a handful of individuals
Here in Pennsylvania the reelection of our incumbent Senator Toomey, which should be divorced from the loosely veiled innuendo of deceit and fear levied on his opponent Ms McGinty, is an unnecessary and divisive disservice to all of us.
The fact is while we tout freedom through our elective process that freedom too often exceeds the boundaries of decency and skirts the edge of truth.
Although Bernie Sanders has lost the nomination his thoughts have found a voice that will transform our process if those he awakened don't hit the snooze button.
With today's communication tools, bills, measures and changes of any sort in any field can be brought up for referendum with little difficulty makiing direct representation by the electorate a practical reality. For all practical purpose we do not need to elect a representative to do our bidding. The deliberative process by elected representatives does not need a middle man who far too often exhibits little concern for those he or less frequently she represents. Too often representation is an invitation to bend laws in favor of a handful of individuals
Here in Pennsylvania the reelection of our incumbent Senator Toomey, which should be divorced from the loosely veiled innuendo of deceit and fear levied on his opponent Ms McGinty, is an unnecessary and divisive disservice to all of us.
The fact is while we tout freedom through our elective process that freedom too often exceeds the boundaries of decency and skirts the edge of truth.
Although Bernie Sanders has lost the nomination his thoughts have found a voice that will transform our process if those he awakened don't hit the snooze button.
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I'm more worried about the Sanders supporters who decide to vote for Trump. So much of what Trump wants to do will set the United States back by at least 100 years even if what he says is what a lot of people are feeling. Trump has no plan, he has no focus, he really has no supporters in Washington. He does not have the background or experience a modern political leader needs, especially one that would try to govern a nation as diverse as this one.
I am an American. But I'm also a female, lesbian, Jewish, a daughter, a sister, an employee, and sometimes a friend. I know people who are African American, Hispanic, Asian, Eastern European, immigrants, naturalized citizens, handicapped, mentally ill, whatever. Trump and the GOP are not interested in representing me or other Americans like me who cannot donate large sums of money, who aren't in the mainstream. The GOP doesn't bother to try to appear inclusive. At least the Democrats include handicapped people, the LGBTQ community, the concerns of women, the hopes of middle and working class families in their agenda. They aren't talking about building a wall to keep people out. The Russians built one in Berlin and what it was was a constant reminder of oppression and families split apart. It didn't stop people wanting to be reunited or trying to leave. The wall Trump wants won't stop people trying to cross the border illegally. What it will be is a waste of money. I'd rather see money spend on better things.
I am an American. But I'm also a female, lesbian, Jewish, a daughter, a sister, an employee, and sometimes a friend. I know people who are African American, Hispanic, Asian, Eastern European, immigrants, naturalized citizens, handicapped, mentally ill, whatever. Trump and the GOP are not interested in representing me or other Americans like me who cannot donate large sums of money, who aren't in the mainstream. The GOP doesn't bother to try to appear inclusive. At least the Democrats include handicapped people, the LGBTQ community, the concerns of women, the hopes of middle and working class families in their agenda. They aren't talking about building a wall to keep people out. The Russians built one in Berlin and what it was was a constant reminder of oppression and families split apart. It didn't stop people wanting to be reunited or trying to leave. The wall Trump wants won't stop people trying to cross the border illegally. What it will be is a waste of money. I'd rather see money spend on better things.
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Sanders supporters who do not come around to this, and to the considerable policy platform Sanders worked hard to iron out, were never really on our side at all.
This side is about fairness, progress to a better tonorrow, what works rather than what is just ideological, and unavoidable compromise.
This side is about fairness, progress to a better tonorrow, what works rather than what is just ideological, and unavoidable compromise.
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If Hillary and Bill are masterful politicians, they will find a way to seduce and woo Bernie supporters who are inclined to vote for Trump. Hillary and Bill supporters who continue to bash Bernie supporters, call them names, scold them and admonish them, are only going to drive Bernie supporters away. Bernie did all he could, with dignity, to beckon his supporters to vote "against Trump".
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Just get out the vote and all will be well. When we vote, in numbers, we win. We must never forget that. We lose when we become complacent about the evil with the stiff, smiling, religious face.
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Surprising that NYT praises the collaboration of Sanders and Clinton: the former has shown himself as a renegade of socialism and the latter a renegade of her first political love -- the campaign of Senator AuH2O.
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Please understand that people don't shift deeply-felt allegiances at the drop of the hat. Angry, disappointed people often say things they don't mean. My gut feeling is that very few Bernie supporters will vote for Trump.
It is a good thing that the US is a Republic rather than a democracy. We surely do not want what we are seeing from the DNC. The DNC seems to be coming apart at the seams.
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A constitutional representative Republic is merely a form of democracy, if you don't actually know what a democracy is or means then maybe you shouldn't make statements like that.
The DNC didn't have the loser throw a tantrum and refuse to endorse his opponent, I believe you're thinking of the RNC where 3 former living Presidents didn't show their face or many of the leading lights of the party.
The DNC didn't have the loser throw a tantrum and refuse to endorse his opponent, I believe you're thinking of the RNC where 3 former living Presidents didn't show their face or many of the leading lights of the party.
Now if we can keep the Hillary impeachment noise to a low roar we can face the issues. Or not.
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She is an issue!
I will definitely vote Trump, despite I don't like him and wish someone else but these two. Democrats did dirtiest trick possible. No matter what are the goals, goods or something else, it cannot be justified. Period. They should be punished. America cannot be great , having as its head completely corrupted, soulless and moral-less person, no matter how competent and effective it could be.
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I believe you have confused the two candidates. It would be hard to imagine a more corrupt, soulless, immoral candidate than Donald Trump.
Hillary will make a wonderful president.
Hillary will make a wonderful president.
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There is an astonishing irony in the descriptions of HRC as "not a natural politician" - isn't that what most Americans now seek? She has her flaws, to be sure - and her penchant for being extremely guarded has perhaps served her as an individual, but has not burnished her public persona. To even remotely imagine that a loud, noxious, bullying, serially mendacious demagogue, whose total lack of fundamental knowledge of anything pertaining to international relations, domestic issues, governing, race relations, and so on, but who is also "not a natural politician," would be preferable to someone who has worked harder than almost anyone else in the public sphere to improve people's lives, is inconceivable. Unquestionably there is also a significant measure of rank sexism, as evidenced by the embarrassing reality that the US lags far beyond much of the rest of the world in electing women to lead their nations. This Sanders supporter stands full square behind HRC - I applaud Bernie for finally stepping up last night in what was undoubtedly a bittersweet moment. It is time for Bernie supporters to grow up and recognize that democracy is very messy - and little can be reduced to black or white when it comes to governing. This time, however, the choice is absolutely that stark. Elect an ignorant, dangerously unhinged, xenophobic madman who could blow up the world, or elect a highly intelligent, accomplished, hard working woman and flip the Senate to blue.
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Oops - I should have typed "US lags far behind much of the rest of the world," rather than "beyond." Sorry for the mis-type here!
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How naive. This is what politics is about. Democracy is politics with fewer riots, more harmless noise, and the ability, if not the will, to get rid of incumbents.
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Democracy, like life itself, is rife with "the tension of opposites." And that was clearly on display in Philadelphia where Bernie Sanders' anti-establishment, progressivism, especially his anti-TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal) and "break up the Big Banks" agenda was in conflict with the centrist, establishment positions of Hillary Clinton and even more so in her centrist running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine. But, more importantly, democracy is about the peaceful resolution of differences through compromise. And, in stark contrast to the Republicans in Cleveland who view that word with abhorrence and disdain, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton worked to resolve their differences as Bernie outlined in his gracious, but passionate speech, with a truly progressive Democratic platform. None of that happened in the lynch-mob atmosphere in Cleveland last week. Sen. Sanders showed what true democracy and true statesmanship is all about--compromise and graciousness in defeat unlike his Republican counterpart, Sen. Ted Cruz. The progressive wing of the party has shown it's character and has unified the party. Now it's up to Sec. Clinton and Sen. Kaine to show their character and to deliver on those progressive promises.
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Ok editorial board, it is one thing to lose a nomination fairly. It is quite another to have never had a chance because your party chiefs made sure only one candidate could ever win.
To imply a fair fight and then appeal to unity, is an insult to readers intelligent given what we have learned recently.
The degree of NYT shilling for Clinton has reached absurd levels. No surprise that it was Russians and not times reporters who got to the bottom of it.
To imply a fair fight and then appeal to unity, is an insult to readers intelligent given what we have learned recently.
The degree of NYT shilling for Clinton has reached absurd levels. No surprise that it was Russians and not times reporters who got to the bottom of it.
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The party machine is not, and never was, intended to be neutral! It's designed to ensure the party wins!
the entire paper should be embarrassed. Good ideas win out. No need to subvert the truth.
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Actually, Robert, although I support HRC, and I voted for Bernie, and I am wanting the Dems to get united behind the Nov goal, I do agree with your comment. It is actually too bad for Hillary that the underlying DNC issues are there, and that the NYT was not really very fair to Bernie. But, we are here, and we go forward, and this is a critical election for the entire world.
One learns that one must be practical when there is a threat looming. I don't think people are implying the fight was fair, actually. It NEVER is. Don't you get that? Bernie did great, and HRC is the nominee.
Retrench for the next election. Bernie opened it.
One learns that one must be practical when there is a threat looming. I don't think people are implying the fight was fair, actually. It NEVER is. Don't you get that? Bernie did great, and HRC is the nominee.
Retrench for the next election. Bernie opened it.
I really don't get this ... first we have the GOP blasting away at Clinton for Benghazi even after nine investigations going nowhere shamefully using the anguish of a mother who had lost her son to further Trump's ravenous political ambitions. When do we hear from the families whose kids in military service were killed in Bush/Cheney misadventures in the ME? There are thousands to choose from.
Then we have Clinton's emails undergoing an FBI administrative investigation of the State Department's email systems, prompted by a GOP request that appears to have been a deliberate effort to perpetuate the email issue that emerged from the Benghazi investigation. But this investigation did not cover the emails of previous GOP secretaries (Powel, Rice) did they?
Then we have DNC emails exposed through Russian hackers and released just as the Democratic convention is starting to deliberately stoke the fires of internal Democratic party squabbles while undoubtedly there is an evidentiary treasure trove of intrigue and corruption galore to be found in RNC emails which remain hidden.
There's something terribly one sided about all this stuff.
Then we have Clinton's emails undergoing an FBI administrative investigation of the State Department's email systems, prompted by a GOP request that appears to have been a deliberate effort to perpetuate the email issue that emerged from the Benghazi investigation. But this investigation did not cover the emails of previous GOP secretaries (Powel, Rice) did they?
Then we have DNC emails exposed through Russian hackers and released just as the Democratic convention is starting to deliberately stoke the fires of internal Democratic party squabbles while undoubtedly there is an evidentiary treasure trove of intrigue and corruption galore to be found in RNC emails which remain hidden.
There's something terribly one sided about all this stuff.
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Trump isn't a fan of the bush era either...
Look, I have been a strong supporter of Bernie Sanders. And I condemn the actions of DNC members who sought to undermine his candidacy. (They are not alone, of course. The media -- Times included -- undermined his campaign by largely ignoring it for as long as possible.)
But what are we supposed to do now? There can be no redo of the primaries, and on the record, Hillary Clinton indeed received millions of more votes than Sanders did.
We can only go forward. That means we must recognize the threat that Donald Trump poses for our society -- especially the most vulnerable -- and do everything we can to derail his candidacy. Imagine 2 or 3 more judges like Antonin Scalia or Samuel Alito sitting on the Supreme Court -- judges hardwired to deride and erode the rights of minorities, women, LGBT, and the poor. Imagine Trump's Putin-loving finger on the nuclear button; his ignorant reduction of anything and everything to down to "the deal," including our defense treaties with other nations; his vulgarity, which would serve as a vile model for our youth.
I don't disagree with those who protest that the election process is rigged. But being an adult sometimes means we have to choose among options that are all at least somewhat unpalatable.
Senator Sanders is an adult, and he has it exactly right. We must support Clinton, because if Trump ever makes it to the White House, chances are that Sanders' vision of the more just society that we yearn for will never come to pass.
But what are we supposed to do now? There can be no redo of the primaries, and on the record, Hillary Clinton indeed received millions of more votes than Sanders did.
We can only go forward. That means we must recognize the threat that Donald Trump poses for our society -- especially the most vulnerable -- and do everything we can to derail his candidacy. Imagine 2 or 3 more judges like Antonin Scalia or Samuel Alito sitting on the Supreme Court -- judges hardwired to deride and erode the rights of minorities, women, LGBT, and the poor. Imagine Trump's Putin-loving finger on the nuclear button; his ignorant reduction of anything and everything to down to "the deal," including our defense treaties with other nations; his vulgarity, which would serve as a vile model for our youth.
I don't disagree with those who protest that the election process is rigged. But being an adult sometimes means we have to choose among options that are all at least somewhat unpalatable.
Senator Sanders is an adult, and he has it exactly right. We must support Clinton, because if Trump ever makes it to the White House, chances are that Sanders' vision of the more just society that we yearn for will never come to pass.
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A taxpayer subsidized election process to determine a private party's candidate is NOT what democracy looks like. True democracy would be:
1. Getting government out of the business of subsidizing private political parties. Let the parties decide who their candidates are using whatever process they want, and on their own dime.
2. Letting anyone who meets specific criteria (e.g. a minimum number of petition signatures) on to the ballot.
3. Requiring that a candidate get at least 50% of the vote to be elected. If no gets that amount, a runoff between the top two candidates would be held.
The faults of the current system are obvious when both of the major party candidates are disliked by a majority of the American people.
1. Getting government out of the business of subsidizing private political parties. Let the parties decide who their candidates are using whatever process they want, and on their own dime.
2. Letting anyone who meets specific criteria (e.g. a minimum number of petition signatures) on to the ballot.
3. Requiring that a candidate get at least 50% of the vote to be elected. If no gets that amount, a runoff between the top two candidates would be held.
The faults of the current system are obvious when both of the major party candidates are disliked by a majority of the American people.
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The problem with getting government funding out of elections is that using private money just turns the whole process over to billionaires. Of course, some people like that idea.
That's why true reformers of the system tend to want elections that are completely government funded.
That's why true reformers of the system tend to want elections that are completely government funded.
Technically we're a republic.
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This Is What Democracy Looks Like? Yes, this is it. Now all the talking heads, media and Monday morning quarterbacks must admit there are two people and two very different visions up for the American people to vote on. Remember they can only deliver what the say if congress goes along. Remember to VOTE, and if you choose not to please keep you opinion to yourself for the next 4 years!
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Right, Editorial Board; the Democrats must unite to defeat Trump.
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Now it is time for Green party candidate Jill Stein to SUPPORT Hillary Clinton as well...!!!
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We now have a new myth from the lazy thinkers: Bernie's nomination was somehow "stolen" from him. No proof necessary.
But what about the e-mails? There's no there there. They are about as bland as white rice: political strategy, all theory. Anyone shocked by this probably shouldn't vote.
Say this for political hack Wasserman: she knew that a Bernie victory would hand the country to Trump, or another GOP horror. She knew the country would not elect a socialist, agnostic Jew. That's ugly reality.
Look at the makeup of our reactionary congress if you doubt it.
But what about the e-mails? There's no there there. They are about as bland as white rice: political strategy, all theory. Anyone shocked by this probably shouldn't vote.
Say this for political hack Wasserman: she knew that a Bernie victory would hand the country to Trump, or another GOP horror. She knew the country would not elect a socialist, agnostic Jew. That's ugly reality.
Look at the makeup of our reactionary congress if you doubt it.
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Sincere thanks for your clarity and brevity, David Henry - I don't have to write a comment now.
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It's not lazy thinking simply because it doesn't jive with your Hillary worship. It's quite entertaining to see everyone's fear of Trump
Yeah... except for the fact that the primaries were rigged.
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How so?
One line popped to mind as I read of the striking contrast between this convention and last week's. I'm an AfrAmerican recovering adman, so please forgive me if it seems a little short (and sweet?):
THE WHITE MAN'S PARTY IS OVER.
http://DonaldTrumpTheGreatWhiteDope.com
THE WHITE MAN'S PARTY IS OVER.
http://DonaldTrumpTheGreatWhiteDope.com
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I just figured it out. These Bernie or Busters are the Tea Party of the Democratic Party. They are fanatics and not worth spending time trying to reason with. If you see a Demexit hashtag or a Neverhillary hashtag just walk away. Our job as Democrats is not to allow them to hijack our party as Trump & Gowdy and Portman etc. have hijacked the GOP. We must get out and register true Democrats and get out the true Democratic vote. These are not our people and they can go form their own party but I'll be damned if we allow them to destroy the best of America.
DO NOT ENGAGE with these folks; it is a total waste of time. If the DNC's speakers and messages didn't do it, our comments and FB posts will have no impact.
We have 102 days.
DO NOT ENGAGE with these folks; it is a total waste of time. If the DNC's speakers and messages didn't do it, our comments and FB posts will have no impact.
We have 102 days.
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Your attitude is what has caused the rich and wealthy nations to look the other way when poor nations cry for help.
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These Bernie or Busters are worse than that. The are the affluent hippie, Bohemian bourgeoisie arm of the Democratic Party, a group which would not be effected in any substantive way were they to sit this one out with a pout allowing Mr. Trump to ascend to the White House, and then sit by idly while Big Boss Man dismantles every even remotely progressive program effected over the past 80 years. They're not progressives, they're a bunch of overly-comfortable crybabies throwing a collective tantrum because their tie-dyed dream has been shot down by blue-collar and no-collar realities and sensibilities. Mr. Sanders' "revolution" has made great strides this election season, and what needs to be done right now is to accept what's been given and dedicate themselves to go after more reform the next go-round. This all-or-nothing attitude they are currently expressing can only lead to tears ... but unfortunately, those tears wouldn't be theirs.
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The Tea Party, with their unbending ideology and inflexible positions, has long been a force to be reckoned with in Republican politics. I would be happy to see the Bernie Sanders movement help the Democratic Party build similar leverage in Washington. Perhaps for once, the party's elected officials in Congress would be able to do more than just playing defense.
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It is tragic that the NY Times has become in effect a Communist mouthpiece. Their anti-Israel, anti-white, and anti-opportunity for minorities stance should be viewed as shameful, except the Democrat Party has no shame, and has no capacity to ever realize that.
For anyone to say that Hillary/Sanders is what democracy looks like is an excellent study in self delusion, never mind a tragic disservice to minorities and those looking to better themselves in this fabulous country - one that The NY Times and the Demcorats hate with a passion.
The self-serving and corrupt Hillary knows no bounds when it comes to using every corrupt and illegal trick in the book to lining her bank accounts, now worth over $100 million - all as a result of her and Billy Boys Pay-For-Play schemes: "you pay $, and we'll guarantee you will get (whatever)".
For anyone to say that Hillary/Sanders is what democracy looks like is an excellent study in self delusion, never mind a tragic disservice to minorities and those looking to better themselves in this fabulous country - one that The NY Times and the Demcorats hate with a passion.
The self-serving and corrupt Hillary knows no bounds when it comes to using every corrupt and illegal trick in the book to lining her bank accounts, now worth over $100 million - all as a result of her and Billy Boys Pay-For-Play schemes: "you pay $, and we'll guarantee you will get (whatever)".
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What the world witnessed during the Democratic primary was massive corruption , the rigging of the primary and the " election" of our version of Cristina Fernandez or Emelda Marcos or Eva Person.
Yellow Journalism, the hallmark of the NYT and the WP and the media , all conspired to influence The Hillary Cult. We saw the DNC, a branch of the Hillary Cult, conspire to smear Sanders, and we witnessed the fury of Wasserman-Schultz toward Sanders and his followers who had the audacity to run a true grassroots campaign and challenge the Queen.
It was an ugly scene, not democracy at work. It was a rigged primary that draped itself in faux democracy. Our forefathers are apalled. So are many if us who have no one to vote for in November.
Shame on the NYT for their biased coverage.
Yellow Journalism, the hallmark of the NYT and the WP and the media , all conspired to influence The Hillary Cult. We saw the DNC, a branch of the Hillary Cult, conspire to smear Sanders, and we witnessed the fury of Wasserman-Schultz toward Sanders and his followers who had the audacity to run a true grassroots campaign and challenge the Queen.
It was an ugly scene, not democracy at work. It was a rigged primary that draped itself in faux democracy. Our forefathers are apalled. So are many if us who have no one to vote for in November.
Shame on the NYT for their biased coverage.
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I'm wondering if you are more in love with the candidate than with the policies he was aspiring to achieve? Bernie has said this himself. This election, or any other for that matter, is not about him, or any of the candidates, but for the people and the policies that were set forth. If you can't see beyond that simple statement then stay home and don't vote, or vote for spite, your conscience, or rationally. It is up to you, but remember that depending on your choice each one has its consequences. Yes in the end we may not get 100℅ of what we want, but at least there is progress, or if not your choice, or lack there of, may set us back 50 years. No pressure.
Yes, sadly, it's true. This is what "democracy" in America looks like:
A multimillionaire member of the 1%, supported by Wall Street and Big Money, benefits from what we now know was an unfair, biased, rigged primary system, to get the nomination.
In the words of the NYT's own journalists, the DNC emails "offered undeniable evidence of what Mr. Sanders’s supporters had complained about for much of the senator’s contentious primary contest with Mrs. Clinton: that the party was effectively an arm of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign."
By JONATHAN MARTIN and ALAN RAPPEPORT, "Debbie Wasserman Schultz to Resign D.N.C. Post" JULY 24, 2016
In amazing cowardice and collusion, the NYT editorial board says nothing about this.
So yes, unfortunately, this is what "democracy" looks like in America.
There are people who are angry about this, and there are those who think it's okay.
Sanders supporters are angry about this. The NYT and Hillary supporters think it is just fine.
A multimillionaire member of the 1%, supported by Wall Street and Big Money, benefits from what we now know was an unfair, biased, rigged primary system, to get the nomination.
In the words of the NYT's own journalists, the DNC emails "offered undeniable evidence of what Mr. Sanders’s supporters had complained about for much of the senator’s contentious primary contest with Mrs. Clinton: that the party was effectively an arm of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign."
By JONATHAN MARTIN and ALAN RAPPEPORT, "Debbie Wasserman Schultz to Resign D.N.C. Post" JULY 24, 2016
In amazing cowardice and collusion, the NYT editorial board says nothing about this.
So yes, unfortunately, this is what "democracy" looks like in America.
There are people who are angry about this, and there are those who think it's okay.
Sanders supporters are angry about this. The NYT and Hillary supporters think it is just fine.
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The Clinton's do what is best for the Clintons. How many black church's to you think Hilary attends in non-primary or election years yet the DNC wants massive black vote and loose voter registration requirements because they are going to use this voting bloc one more time!
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First, Bernie Sanders pledged to support the Democratic Nominee before one vote was cast in Iowa and anyone who did their homework knew that.
Editorials, Op-Eds & Political Reporters in these pages acted like they either did not know that or were acting like they did not for political effect. Either way, shame on you. Go to the archives of the Thom Hartmann Program where Bernie did a Friday call-in for years- he was asked that before he declared & said he would- repeatedly.
Next, many of Bernie's supporters were not & are not registered Democrats- including myself. The email hack shows the thumbs were on the scales for Hillary within the DNC & Party as were the thumbs of this paper's editorial board- Bernie was largely ignored until it was overly apparent you could ignore him no longer. The Democrats feel no loyalty to the voters & process so why should we feel any loyalty to the Party? Get rid of the closed Primaries & voting irregularities and Ms Clinton would have been selling the virtues of Bernie Monday Night. We know that.
Third, my vote does not belong to any Party & has to be earned. Tim Kaine is not s sign she has changed as he is another D.C. Corporate Democrat that was pushing for the TPP & Bank Deregulation just weeks ago. There is no scenario with such policy & such track records where I see enough of a difference to allow me to vote for this ticket.
If we get President Trump it will be a sad day- just like if we get Hillary. Not in my name. Jill Stein
Editorials, Op-Eds & Political Reporters in these pages acted like they either did not know that or were acting like they did not for political effect. Either way, shame on you. Go to the archives of the Thom Hartmann Program where Bernie did a Friday call-in for years- he was asked that before he declared & said he would- repeatedly.
Next, many of Bernie's supporters were not & are not registered Democrats- including myself. The email hack shows the thumbs were on the scales for Hillary within the DNC & Party as were the thumbs of this paper's editorial board- Bernie was largely ignored until it was overly apparent you could ignore him no longer. The Democrats feel no loyalty to the voters & process so why should we feel any loyalty to the Party? Get rid of the closed Primaries & voting irregularities and Ms Clinton would have been selling the virtues of Bernie Monday Night. We know that.
Third, my vote does not belong to any Party & has to be earned. Tim Kaine is not s sign she has changed as he is another D.C. Corporate Democrat that was pushing for the TPP & Bank Deregulation just weeks ago. There is no scenario with such policy & such track records where I see enough of a difference to allow me to vote for this ticket.
If we get President Trump it will be a sad day- just like if we get Hillary. Not in my name. Jill Stein
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"...supporters who were still getting their heads around the hitch in their plans for a November revolution."
With these non-stop jabs against Sanders supporters the NYT reminds me of the middle easter regime it steadfastly supports (which btw is the real, unspoken reason they hate Sanders so much).
Just like Israel does against the Palestinians, the NYT constantly demeans and insults Sanders supporters, and then expects them to support their candidate.
And just like Israel, the NYT can't seem to "get their heads around" why this strategy isn't working.
With these non-stop jabs against Sanders supporters the NYT reminds me of the middle easter regime it steadfastly supports (which btw is the real, unspoken reason they hate Sanders so much).
Just like Israel does against the Palestinians, the NYT constantly demeans and insults Sanders supporters, and then expects them to support their candidate.
And just like Israel, the NYT can't seem to "get their heads around" why this strategy isn't working.
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Last night was like watching Jim Baker try to elect Tammy Faye. What has happened to our country?
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Last night I watched the Convention on CSPAN. I will NEVER watch Election coverage or primaries on commercial or cable stations again EVER. The difference is astounding. No moronic observation by biased "hosts". No commercials. No RWNJ interpreting what you just watched. Revelation.
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Democracy looks like superdelegates and rigged primary elections? Really? Democracy looks like the Democrat Party colluding with the news media as confirmed in the hacked emails?
Based on the NYT logic the RNC also looked like democracy. I missed that editorial.
Based on the NYT logic the RNC also looked like democracy. I missed that editorial.
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Seriously?
"This is what democracy looks like"?
Are you people for real? A preordained, predetermined primary selection process, with un-elected people and anonymous donors having more clout, than those who are accountable to the electorate?
It is anything, but democracy; it is a circus, repeated every 4 years, that costs a huge amount of money, that could have beene spent on things that matter.
As for Bernie Sanders - too bad he listened to the advice to fold and join the HC juggernaut.
Instead, he should have quit the Democratic party and run, as an independent Presidential nominee, or join forces with the Green party.
And - as ALL real polls show - he could have won against either character in November.
Now, THAT would have been what 'democracy looks like' not this farce.
"This is what democracy looks like"?
Are you people for real? A preordained, predetermined primary selection process, with un-elected people and anonymous donors having more clout, than those who are accountable to the electorate?
It is anything, but democracy; it is a circus, repeated every 4 years, that costs a huge amount of money, that could have beene spent on things that matter.
As for Bernie Sanders - too bad he listened to the advice to fold and join the HC juggernaut.
Instead, he should have quit the Democratic party and run, as an independent Presidential nominee, or join forces with the Green party.
And - as ALL real polls show - he could have won against either character in November.
Now, THAT would have been what 'democracy looks like' not this farce.
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Last night, it looked like Jimmy trying to elect Tammy Faye to me.
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Seriously Waldo, you wanted Bernie to run as a third party candidate? I guess from Canada that seems like a good idea. But to Bernie and me, and all the people of color, LGBT people, Muslim Americans, women and children who would have to actually live in Trump's dystopian world--well, it doesn't look so good to us. Bernie has said he can't look into the eyes of American children and wish for them to live in Trump's dark version of America. Can you?
Please, someone call for a wahmbulance -- stat.
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I think it's important -- though increasingly difficult, alas -- to distinguish between the 'democratic process' and the 'political process.
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"After all their battles" LOL
With your ruthless help, dear Editorial Board NYT, and with Bernie's standout behaviour, Hillary Clinton made it thus far despite herself. Hillary would be nothing more than a resentful, xanax-fueled lawyer in flyover country, were it not for her eloquent Governor/President husband. Good intentions can't mask bad behaviour and an absolute lack of judgment, maybe even an obsession with power and money bordering on mental illness. You are proud supporters of a spineless maniac who is just itching to start another foreign intervention. Thank you for your journalistic excellence
With your ruthless help, dear Editorial Board NYT, and with Bernie's standout behaviour, Hillary Clinton made it thus far despite herself. Hillary would be nothing more than a resentful, xanax-fueled lawyer in flyover country, were it not for her eloquent Governor/President husband. Good intentions can't mask bad behaviour and an absolute lack of judgment, maybe even an obsession with power and money bordering on mental illness. You are proud supporters of a spineless maniac who is just itching to start another foreign intervention. Thank you for your journalistic excellence
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Freedom of speech can be very trying...
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The title of this piece is wrong. It should be titled "Love is Blind".
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Could not have said it better. This is more like a Putin or Hussain election than what democracy looks like.
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"After all their battles, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are able to work together for the greater good."
No:
"After all their battles, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are able to work together to swindle the American People into supporting another corporatist theft regime."
There. FIFY
No:
"After all their battles, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are able to work together to swindle the American People into supporting another corporatist theft regime."
There. FIFY
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The Times loses no opportunity for Bernie bashing, even when he supports their candidate. And it NEVER allows comments on the bashing op-eds Rosenthal's piece yesterday was pure fantasy and negative interpretation.
Today, since your theme is unity, you are a little kinder. But in comparing this election cycle to Clinton-Obama 2008, you lose your way. That was a matter of personality. This is a matter of a vastly different program.
Rosenthal accused Sanders of gaining votes for Trump by waiting too long to endorse. He failed to see that HE is gaining votes for Trump by calling the entire progressive program "a stump speech" and making nasty
comments about Sanders' appearance and personality.
We are having a much harder time voting for Clinton than Sanders does. He is a politician. If you really want unity, really want to defeat Trump, stop pushing us away.
Ms. Clinton's courtship of Republicans is a terrible mistake. She might get them to vote for Gary Johnson. They will never vote for her. Even David Brooks doesn't support her.
Today, since your theme is unity, you are a little kinder. But in comparing this election cycle to Clinton-Obama 2008, you lose your way. That was a matter of personality. This is a matter of a vastly different program.
Rosenthal accused Sanders of gaining votes for Trump by waiting too long to endorse. He failed to see that HE is gaining votes for Trump by calling the entire progressive program "a stump speech" and making nasty
comments about Sanders' appearance and personality.
We are having a much harder time voting for Clinton than Sanders does. He is a politician. If you really want unity, really want to defeat Trump, stop pushing us away.
Ms. Clinton's courtship of Republicans is a terrible mistake. She might get them to vote for Gary Johnson. They will never vote for her. Even David Brooks doesn't support her.
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Yesterday's headlines had Andrew Rosenthal labeling Bernie as "cranky". How low can Rosenthal get, having no respect for the elderly. Clearly his parents failed to teach him respect.
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To the Bernie-or-bust crowd:
Please give some considerable thought to what "bust" could actually mean.
Please.
Please give some considerable thought to what "bust" could actually mean.
Please.
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Alan, after reading the "bust" crowd's comments I am afraid you're going to have to be more explicit than that in your entreaty. I honestly don't think they know that the presidential election is in November. They seem to think the democratic nominating process was the election and the democrats "cheated" in the process by voting for the democrat.
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So based on your analysis essentially rigging the primary by putting forward a candidate who would likely be convicted of a felony were it not for her status in the "Party" is democracy. It resembles totalitarianism if you ask me.
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I'm proud of our Democratic Party! Yes, democracy is messy but the Democratic Party shows how it can bring together people of different ideas and work for a better country for all of us!
On a lighter note, I'm looking forward to hearing Melania crib from Michele's recent and once again amazing speech at the Democratic convention. I'll be waiting to hear Melania talk about her beautiful black daughters playing on the White House lawn!
On a lighter note, I'm looking forward to hearing Melania crib from Michele's recent and once again amazing speech at the Democratic convention. I'll be waiting to hear Melania talk about her beautiful black daughters playing on the White House lawn!
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Yes, that messy messy system where you party chiefs determine nobody but their chosen candidate has a chance to win.
Putin has a messy democracy like that to. How charming.
Putin has a messy democracy like that to. How charming.
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It is all due to Sanders' humility to his cause, something few politicians possess.
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The "Go High, not Low" mantra is an interesting one.
Generally, people who operate on that principle simply act that way - they don't go out of their way to brag about it. It's called walking the talk.
There are some - like the NY Times Editorial Board - who think that stating it makes it true.
Generally, people who operate on that principle simply act that way - they don't go out of their way to brag about it. It's called walking the talk.
There are some - like the NY Times Editorial Board - who think that stating it makes it true.
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The Editorial board can hide the truth as long as they want, but truth has a way of finding its way. Truth IS. It cannot be hidden.
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I love our Democratic process.
As Bernie says, "It's messy at times".
Bernie acted elegantly (despite disappointment) although some of his followers behavior verged on tantrums.
Michelle Obama was elegant; her spouse is always elegant.
It was a pleasure to hear Howard Dean roar !
As Bernie says, "It's messy at times".
Bernie acted elegantly (despite disappointment) although some of his followers behavior verged on tantrums.
Michelle Obama was elegant; her spouse is always elegant.
It was a pleasure to hear Howard Dean roar !
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I think both Presidential candidates are deeply flawed but watching the grace with which the deepest and bitterest of tensions were defused during the first days of the Democratic Convention, coupled with glimpses of such promise for the future - the intelligence, passion and sheer decency of Tulsi Gabbard and Cory Booker stayed with me long afterward - I felt a hope for the future that has been very hard to come by in recent election cycles. Politics by their very nature corrode principle - we have seen time and again fundamentally decent and highly intelligent people betraying their own principles for what they had convinced themselves was the greater good, not realising that in the longer term the greater good is NEVER served by betrayal of principle and there are always deeply negative and unforeseen consequences for society at large. At some point we need to realise that decency matters, and the higher the office the more it matters.
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If all that Democracy can do is smooth over the effects of Democratic Deliberation, then it is worth nothing, and it smells a lot like cronyism, when fundamental differences are swept aside in favor of consensus. At this point, I am left wondering why Bernie bothered to run against HRC?
The five biggest US banks endorsed HRC only a few weeks ago. They are enthused about her prospects, but then the millions of dollars spent by the bankers to hear her pearls of wisdom on the condition of banking kind of led us to guess that she was their choice, long ago!
Certainly, Bernie couldn't, have been surprised by their endorsement of Hillary. He has said the banks need to be broken up becasue they are still too big too fail, and that derivatives and banks need to be regulated along Glass Steagall Lines. Amazingly, Bernie who is Jewish is not the tool of the Israel Lobby, but HRC really does seem to think that Israel is our 51st, and most important State!
Yes, I was for Bernie because I know that Barack Obama, and the Democrats of the establishment have rigged the financial system(QE is a scam), and probably the electoral system in favor of the elite, and not one significant Democrat could find even one crime of which to convict the bankers who crashed our system of banking in 2008, although forgery and fraud could easily have describe the behavior of Washing Mutual and Countrywide.
I am not okay with kumbaya yet, and I won't be voting for HRC no matter what Bernie says now.
The five biggest US banks endorsed HRC only a few weeks ago. They are enthused about her prospects, but then the millions of dollars spent by the bankers to hear her pearls of wisdom on the condition of banking kind of led us to guess that she was their choice, long ago!
Certainly, Bernie couldn't, have been surprised by their endorsement of Hillary. He has said the banks need to be broken up becasue they are still too big too fail, and that derivatives and banks need to be regulated along Glass Steagall Lines. Amazingly, Bernie who is Jewish is not the tool of the Israel Lobby, but HRC really does seem to think that Israel is our 51st, and most important State!
Yes, I was for Bernie because I know that Barack Obama, and the Democrats of the establishment have rigged the financial system(QE is a scam), and probably the electoral system in favor of the elite, and not one significant Democrat could find even one crime of which to convict the bankers who crashed our system of banking in 2008, although forgery and fraud could easily have describe the behavior of Washing Mutual and Countrywide.
I am not okay with kumbaya yet, and I won't be voting for HRC no matter what Bernie says now.
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Interesting, when he says what you want to hear you are all for him , but when he says what you don't want to hear then you ignore and chastise him.. Nice , very grown up! We live in a flawed world but our part of it is still better than the other parts, isn't it??
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Grown up? I don't know about that, but loyalty is a two way street, and betrayal looks a lot like what Bernie has just done.
Trump is leading Hillary in the polls. He will win in November because yes, there are still tens of millions of Americans who are not members of the "groups" the Democrats kiss up to. And within those "groups" there are millions who do not like to be kissed up to. Trump will get a much bigger percentage of the Hispanic vote than Romney got, and I know plenty of women who are sick and tired of Hillary playing the "woman card."
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Gather round boys 'n girls, a rightist is making another "Romney Wins In A Landslide" like prediction.
And, like Romney, Trump's a draft dodger too.
And, like Romney, Trump's a draft dodger too.
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I always thank Bill Clinton for his service.
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The Democrat Party primary process did not look like democracy. It was rigged from start to finish. But that is what American democracy has become,
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I'm mad. I voted for Hillary but I didn't get any of this rigging. Nobody even told me about the rigging. What is it anyway? Is it like swag? If I go to them now and complain can I still get some?
If I had any doubts about voting for Hillary, Bill erased them with his spell binding story about his love and admiration for his wife. All his frailties were
erased & forgiven, he had finally matured.His speech left no doubt about Hillary’s qualifications for what may be the most difficult job in the world, & in so doing he highlighted how unqualified Trump was to even be considered for the job.Wake up America,hate the sin but love the sinner, she is our salvation.
erased & forgiven, he had finally matured.His speech left no doubt about Hillary’s qualifications for what may be the most difficult job in the world, & in so doing he highlighted how unqualified Trump was to even be considered for the job.Wake up America,hate the sin but love the sinner, she is our salvation.
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I'm not sure if you meant to say Hallelujah at the end, but despite being inspirational, it wasn't relevant to the myriad problems and potential solutions for a large number of the American citizen voters who are middle and working class.
Pray at the altar of Hillary, but don't include the rest of us with this religious devotion of yours.
Pray at the altar of Hillary, but don't include the rest of us with this religious devotion of yours.
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minh Z
You read me all wrong, I am quite secular and a strong proponent of the separation between Church & State.That doesn't mean I don't believe in a higher power, & i can't borrow from the Scriptures.I happen to feel salvation has more of an impact that just saying hope for the future.
I am a working man & like you, I am disillusioned by the Status Quo, but if anything, I am a realist & believe Trump could not carry Hillary's briefcase, she is the better of the two candidates & the hope for a better future for the Middle Class.
You read me all wrong, I am quite secular and a strong proponent of the separation between Church & State.That doesn't mean I don't believe in a higher power, & i can't borrow from the Scriptures.I happen to feel salvation has more of an impact that just saying hope for the future.
I am a working man & like you, I am disillusioned by the Status Quo, but if anything, I am a realist & believe Trump could not carry Hillary's briefcase, she is the better of the two candidates & the hope for a better future for the Middle Class.
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So a corrupt national party undermines the people's choice and out of a larger agenda Bernie supports the corrupt queen; that is democracy? Give me liberty or give me death. The DNC is King George in drag.
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While I will vote for Hillary to defeat the frightening alternative, I strongly believe that Debbie Wasserman Schultz must have no place in this campaign. For Hillary to keep her on board is an insult to all Sanders supporters. Does she hear us?
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The contrast between the two conventions could not have been greater. Last week's sounded the call for the doom of America and an almost police state to control it. You don't think, believe and vote like the shrinking GOP base then you can go to you know where.
This week we have a party that acknowledges that we have a way to go, but have come a long way. Speakers were, Christian, Jewish and, yes Donald Trump, Muslim. The crowd was White, Black, Latino, Native American and Asian. A true cross section of this country in today's world.
We don't know how this election will turn out, but the contrasts are more striking than any have been in my lifetime. Do we go back to the scared, xenophobic, bigoted, insular bunch of a fast shrinking minority or go for the future of a more diverse and forward looking majority? This former Republican goes for the latter and prays the country does too.
This week we have a party that acknowledges that we have a way to go, but have come a long way. Speakers were, Christian, Jewish and, yes Donald Trump, Muslim. The crowd was White, Black, Latino, Native American and Asian. A true cross section of this country in today's world.
We don't know how this election will turn out, but the contrasts are more striking than any have been in my lifetime. Do we go back to the scared, xenophobic, bigoted, insular bunch of a fast shrinking minority or go for the future of a more diverse and forward looking majority? This former Republican goes for the latter and prays the country does too.
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Thank You!!
"This is What Democracy Looks Like"
Uh huh. Where, In Russia, China?
Oh wait, that's right. This is the democracy, with a little "d" that is run by the elites, globalists, Wall St., open borders fanatics and crony capitalists, supported by the mainstream media to anoint their candidates. The same candidates who promise the world to their constituents and answer only to their masters and put policies in that don't benefit anyone but the 1%.
Yup. Now that we got out of the way, I understand.
Uh huh. Where, In Russia, China?
Oh wait, that's right. This is the democracy, with a little "d" that is run by the elites, globalists, Wall St., open borders fanatics and crony capitalists, supported by the mainstream media to anoint their candidates. The same candidates who promise the world to their constituents and answer only to their masters and put policies in that don't benefit anyone but the 1%.
Yup. Now that we got out of the way, I understand.
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Actually, this is not what democracy looks like.
This is what a well greased political machine looks like.
Clinton is a democrat in name only. She is more of a career politician. The latest revelation that she and her minions did everything they could to destroy Sanders says a lot.
We no longer have two major political parties.
The Republican party is dead, a shell of its former self.
In its place we have Trump, a megalomaniac.
Hillary, who has 70% untrustworthy ratings, is a slick image being sold us with only one reason to vote for her: stop Trump.
Thank G-d, we actually do have another party which this year is rapidly becoming the de facto second party in place of the Republican debacle.
Gary Johnson, Governor of New Mexico, and Bill Weld, Governor of Mass., both two terms, both Republicans in overwhelmingly Democratic states, both true human beings, untarnished by the slime of ClinTrump, are rapidly rising in the polls.
Trump went from a joke to the nominee of a now defunct party in a short time.
Sanders went from a nobody to a groundswell of support from millions of people but was no match for Hillary's machine.
Johnson/Weld are the future of America.
People are so disgusted that they are looking for an out.
And in the Libertarians, on the ballot in every state, we have a great team.
Check out this video of them which is going viral:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD8gJt7weU
This is what a well greased political machine looks like.
Clinton is a democrat in name only. She is more of a career politician. The latest revelation that she and her minions did everything they could to destroy Sanders says a lot.
We no longer have two major political parties.
The Republican party is dead, a shell of its former self.
In its place we have Trump, a megalomaniac.
Hillary, who has 70% untrustworthy ratings, is a slick image being sold us with only one reason to vote for her: stop Trump.
Thank G-d, we actually do have another party which this year is rapidly becoming the de facto second party in place of the Republican debacle.
Gary Johnson, Governor of New Mexico, and Bill Weld, Governor of Mass., both two terms, both Republicans in overwhelmingly Democratic states, both true human beings, untarnished by the slime of ClinTrump, are rapidly rising in the polls.
Trump went from a joke to the nominee of a now defunct party in a short time.
Sanders went from a nobody to a groundswell of support from millions of people but was no match for Hillary's machine.
Johnson/Weld are the future of America.
People are so disgusted that they are looking for an out.
And in the Libertarians, on the ballot in every state, we have a great team.
Check out this video of them which is going viral:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD8gJt7weU
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You are counting out the GOP when it controls both houses of Congress and the majority of state legislatures. Wake up!
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Where are you guys?????
This is your election to move forward. For the first time since I started voting 35 years ago, I would actually consider the Libertarian party. And yet, Ive heard NOTHING from the Libertarians. Is Gary Johnson even going to get into the national debates? Someone from your party is really missing the boat here.
This is your election to move forward. For the first time since I started voting 35 years ago, I would actually consider the Libertarian party. And yet, Ive heard NOTHING from the Libertarians. Is Gary Johnson even going to get into the national debates? Someone from your party is really missing the boat here.
She's a career politician, so obviously your only choice is to vote for Trump who is clearly NOT a career politician; in fact, he's never held any office at all. Good luck.
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Nice try.
Ms. Clinton knew all too well in 2008 that her name would be alive and well throughout Mr. Obama's time as president. Do not tell me she was "surprised' by the offer of Secretary of State. If "business as usual" is "democracy" then I guess we've had a snoot full these past two weeks.
As for Mr. Sanders, what happened to the "fight all the way to the convention"? Is that "democracy" also? Telling your followers (And donors, I might ad) one thing then doing the opposite?
He reminds me of Groucho Marx's old line;
"Those are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others".
Good thing for the Democrats that the "other major party", the GOP/TP/KOCH AFFILIATE, has decided to run Benito the Second Trump as their choice for dictator, er, president. Perhaps the Democrats can beat this guy but the polls seem to indicate it's close. I know, polls don't really count but they make for great "speculative press', as in, "we've got to keep this interesting".
So come this November, I'll probably cast my lot with Clinton as the choice of Mr. Trump is almost no choice at all.
But, please, stop praising the "lesser of two evils" as us "independent" voters might just run off and vote for the "Green Party" candidate; they seem to stick to their principles and aren't, as near as I can tell, beholden to "Banks Too Big To Fail" much as it seems Ms. Clinton is.
Ms. Clinton knew all too well in 2008 that her name would be alive and well throughout Mr. Obama's time as president. Do not tell me she was "surprised' by the offer of Secretary of State. If "business as usual" is "democracy" then I guess we've had a snoot full these past two weeks.
As for Mr. Sanders, what happened to the "fight all the way to the convention"? Is that "democracy" also? Telling your followers (And donors, I might ad) one thing then doing the opposite?
He reminds me of Groucho Marx's old line;
"Those are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others".
Good thing for the Democrats that the "other major party", the GOP/TP/KOCH AFFILIATE, has decided to run Benito the Second Trump as their choice for dictator, er, president. Perhaps the Democrats can beat this guy but the polls seem to indicate it's close. I know, polls don't really count but they make for great "speculative press', as in, "we've got to keep this interesting".
So come this November, I'll probably cast my lot with Clinton as the choice of Mr. Trump is almost no choice at all.
But, please, stop praising the "lesser of two evils" as us "independent" voters might just run off and vote for the "Green Party" candidate; they seem to stick to their principles and aren't, as near as I can tell, beholden to "Banks Too Big To Fail" much as it seems Ms. Clinton is.
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Trump and the Republican convention were also what democracy looks like. And Wasserman Schultz was also what democracy is (all too often) about.
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Now that the machinations of Wassermann-Schultz and Clinton are buried under the Russian hacker charges, we can call it democracy in action. It also 'justifies' Clinton, if elected, in her lust for a nuclear showdown with Russia and a resumption of the Cold War. And won't her friends in the Military-Industrial-Security Complex be happy?
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If only the Bernie people would grow up or go home and stew quietly. They rant about social justice and yet their conduct isn't about evolving democracy and working to build consensus-- it's boos, jeers, walkouts and repetitions of Bernie's campaign slanders and the GOP's playbook. They claim that if the Dem candidate is not their candidate, then there's no worthy candidate.
I'm calling it.
A sorry bunch of petulant children.
If you mean what you say, grow up and join the revolution: A woman is going to be president!
I'm calling it.
A sorry bunch of petulant children.
If you mean what you say, grow up and join the revolution: A woman is going to be president!
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If you have absolutely nothing to say about why Sanders supporters should support your candidate nor how gracious Sanders was in his defeat, you show the maturity of a 3 year old. All you Clinton cultists know how to do is parrot the same lines over and over again, since you don't have the mental capacity or willingness to say anything new. You are the one that needs to grow up.
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Cultists? Sanders supporters need to calm down and quit projecting their personalities on others. I voted for Bernie. I am voting for Hillary. I am with her now. November's outcome is the world's outcome, and she is so far above Trump in maturity and ability to work and persist on thorny issues, it is clear what our vote should be.
Sanders' comment about democracy points out that it entertains different views and the making of compromises. It is not mob rule nor majority rule, but adherence to the values of diversity.
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People are upset that that Bernie was not the pick of the Dem power base, but that is also what democracy is about. We do need to like the same people, but we need to work together. The reality is that Sanders would not do well in a general election. Had Clinton not had the email problems, the general election would be a landslide, which it still might be.
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Really, it's not about the next 4 years, or the next 8 years. It's about the next 4 or 8 generations, with a Supreme Court whose current and upcoming vacancies are shifted towards the left. America may soon see a much more liberal version of critical national decisions.
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This is not what democracy looks like; had Bernie not run, HC would have received the nomination by default since no one tossed his/her hat in the ring. The race was fixed when she became Secretary of State with the understanding that her time would come next. And in those years no one came out to campaign. Obama made sure there would be no competition by appointing DWS as chair of the DNC knowing she was not going to be neutral. And so everyone assumed it would be Hillary. Then Bernie ran and the DNC tried to get him to drop out. Those emails are less about the hacking to me than the workings of the DNC and her workers. And this was before the primaries. When complaints were made against favoritism, did the DNC look into them? No. They apologized for what? Getting caught with their collective pants down. My heart broke when Sanders supporters did not say nay and instead made it unanimously, which it definitely was not. There is a split in the party that will take years to heal. Will I vote for her? Don't know yet but I will vote for other candidates to get Congress blue again. But I will never trust the DNC again. This race was fixed and she did not win fairly and squarely. The media is to blame by failing to notice Bernie at the beginning.
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amen. wikileaks have exposed it but we all knew it without wikileaks telling us.
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I would just like to remind people that the Republican Party was, if anything, far more actively biased against Trump than anything that wikileaks has shown about the DNC and Bernie. The GOP was very open about its opposition to Trump. Nobody had to hack the RNC to see that. Remember Jeb and all his money!!! All the power the GOP could muster to "rig" the system in Jeb's favor had absolutely no effect. To me that means that neither party could be very effective in "rigging" the system if the people were moved by a candidate. Be honest, did any of us think that Bernie would go as far or do as well as he did? Even those of us who loved him and his ideas, thought he would fade long before he did. The big wigs of both parties lost control of the primaries and the people spoke. Both candidates (Trump and Sanders) operated outside of their parties confines and neither needed help from their party.
And furthermore, despite the Debby Wassermanns of the party, Bernie's contribution to the Democratic party, will have long term ramifications. His grace and savvy have guaranteed that Hillary Clinton will be very beholden to him and his agenda if she should become president.
And furthermore, despite the Debby Wassermanns of the party, Bernie's contribution to the Democratic party, will have long term ramifications. His grace and savvy have guaranteed that Hillary Clinton will be very beholden to him and his agenda if she should become president.
how did the DNC force 3.7M more people to vote for HRC than Bernie?
I was amazed at how the DNC turned what would have been the most disorganized convention into the true meaning of Democracy. Senator Bernie Sanders show class and became a true leader even when he was booed by his supporters. The DNC acknowledged their stupidity and childish behavior (which I'm still waiting for Donald Trump to do) by firing their chairman, and giving Bernie Sanders and his supporters a sincere apology. This would never happen in 21st century Africa. Senator Bernie Sanders is one of a kind leader, and that is why his supporters are passionate about. When a leader is true to his ideas/cause, he live that burning desire in his followers that cannot be explained. Hillary Clinton should keep Bernie Sanders around. I'm proud of the democrats for turning this ugly page.
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First they called Sanders a Spoiler, then they reflect back and called Ralph Nader a spoiler and now they are calling Jill Stein a spoiler. Exactly how does one with a new vision of the United States become president? I will make my decision probably when I enter the voting booth. There is a lot at stake for me I make less than the Federal Poverty Limit and am a Senior. I am no naive I will probably have to vote for Clinton but I shouldn't have too. Don't blame the other guy as a whole lot are doing.
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Hillary Clinton got more votes than did Bernie Sanders. More delegates. This is the nature of her winning the nomination.
For Mr. Sanders to back the winner is also in the nature of the process. That he did no with grace and dignity reflects well on him: and his supporters should take their cue from him and his behavior.
What we have seen in the DNC is the march of luminaries there to speak for Hillary Clinton. So far, only one of them was related to her, and he was a past president who would have been there in any event. This is in stark contrast to the convention in Cleveland.
I support Hillary Clinton because she is well-qualified, well-prepared, and a contributing member of the human race. She has spent her life trying to help others. All my life, I have voted for men for the Presidency. Now, I get to vote for a woman. Finally.
For Mr. Sanders to back the winner is also in the nature of the process. That he did no with grace and dignity reflects well on him: and his supporters should take their cue from him and his behavior.
What we have seen in the DNC is the march of luminaries there to speak for Hillary Clinton. So far, only one of them was related to her, and he was a past president who would have been there in any event. This is in stark contrast to the convention in Cleveland.
I support Hillary Clinton because she is well-qualified, well-prepared, and a contributing member of the human race. She has spent her life trying to help others. All my life, I have voted for men for the Presidency. Now, I get to vote for a woman. Finally.
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It began in South Carolina. When the black congressional caucus promoted the view that Bernie was an unknown and ONLY Hillary had the backs of the African Americans. They went from church to church, barbershop to barbershop, sermonizing Hillary's candidacy. From that point on, African American southern voters overwhelmingly came out to vote for Hillary, dismissing Bernie as an unknown, does he even believe in Jesus Christ? Moms and grandmoms admonished their young African Americans for listening to Bernie. Short of beating them with rolling pins, they nearly demanded that Hillary be elected, now!
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Petey, going church to church, barbershop to barbershop, is how one wins an election. Politicians label each other in the process of a campaign (i don't much like it either, but they all do it).
But your key point, going church to church, barbershop to barbershop, is the most important of your observations.
That is how to win an election.
But your key point, going church to church, barbershop to barbershop, is the most important of your observations.
That is how to win an election.
Contrasting the hate and fear fest in Cleveland with the inspiring moments in Philadelphia, I have thought that, perhaps, America has a future. Polls show Trump leading suggest that our nation is experiencing a meltdown, and that ignorance, prejudice and reality TV have eclipsed the optimism, generosity and open-mindedness that have made our country great. Yes, the bad stuff has always been here: racism, is the snake in the American garden, and paranoia and anti-intellectualism have, sadly, long been afflictions among uneducated whites. Yet the positive has prevailed: the haters have gone low, but enough Americans have gone high so as propel America forward. Until now, it seemed, when so many working and middle-class Americans appear to have have embraced an unstable charlatan who mouths the slanders and shibboleths that they share around their kitchen tables.
Last night was different. The roll call showed the real America, a nation of all colors, creeds and ethnicities. The speakers told of love, achievement and hope. Bernie went high- as we knew that he would - supporting Hillary. His movement will live on, because it's the voice of a new generation, and expresses the goals -- equality, equity, democracy - that have always inspired us. Even the music rocked.
What a contrast with the cartoon America depicted in Cleveland!. Now the real work begins: our nation, or the dystopian cartoon portrayed by Trump. It's up to us. I choose the America I see in Philadelphia.
Last night was different. The roll call showed the real America, a nation of all colors, creeds and ethnicities. The speakers told of love, achievement and hope. Bernie went high- as we knew that he would - supporting Hillary. His movement will live on, because it's the voice of a new generation, and expresses the goals -- equality, equity, democracy - that have always inspired us. Even the music rocked.
What a contrast with the cartoon America depicted in Cleveland!. Now the real work begins: our nation, or the dystopian cartoon portrayed by Trump. It's up to us. I choose the America I see in Philadelphia.
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No. A rigged election process and unelected super-delegates is NOT what democracy looks like. Exactly the process that would choose a candidate with 68 per cent dishonest and untrustworthy poll numbers. A third world election.
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You've got to be kidding. The Repubs had an open primary -- 16 candidates give or take -- no super delegates -- and the popular vote prevailed. Of course there were a few sore losers who diminished themselves by their behavior -- Cruz, the Bushes, Romney -- but they were upset because democracy, not establishment politics prevailed.
What do you have on the dem side? A rigged primary process with super delegates tossing the election from the get go to HRC. A national committee that worked on HRC's behalf to ensure she had no competition, and when competition arose -- they subverted it. Now, which of these looks like democracy?
What do you have on the dem side? A rigged primary process with super delegates tossing the election from the get go to HRC. A national committee that worked on HRC's behalf to ensure she had no competition, and when competition arose -- they subverted it. Now, which of these looks like democracy?
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Astounding, as well as with CNN this morning in its interview with Secretary Albright. The focus of questions from whence the email leaks rather than implications of the DNC undermining the Senator Bernie Sanders campaign. The implications of a DNC that undermined, used rank antisemitism and "super-delegates" to influence the most important election for some time really needs some examination.
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Politics is neither high nor low. Politics is human nurture.
Democracy is neither high nor low. Democracy looks like human nature. Democracy is an expression of our DNA genetic evolutionary biological evolutionary natural selection quest for fat, salt, sugar, water, habitat, sex and kin. Context and perspective matter.
Democracy looks like those who have rights and power. Democracy does not look like those who have neither. Democracy has both majority rule and minority rights.
Democracy does not look the same way every where to every one every time.
Democracy in America included misogyny along with humanity denying African enslavement and equality defying Jim Crow discrimination. Apartheid South Africa claimed to be a democracy. Zionist Israel claims to be a democracy. Ancient Athens denied democracy to women and slaves.
The "greater good" is determined by leaving the most best adapted off spring in power over time and space. A complex mix of political competition and cooperation is what the Founding Father's intended to govern in our divided limited power democratic republic. Ideas are the genetic heritage legacy of democracy and politics.
Democracy is neither high nor low. Democracy looks like human nature. Democracy is an expression of our DNA genetic evolutionary biological evolutionary natural selection quest for fat, salt, sugar, water, habitat, sex and kin. Context and perspective matter.
Democracy looks like those who have rights and power. Democracy does not look like those who have neither. Democracy has both majority rule and minority rights.
Democracy does not look the same way every where to every one every time.
Democracy in America included misogyny along with humanity denying African enslavement and equality defying Jim Crow discrimination. Apartheid South Africa claimed to be a democracy. Zionist Israel claims to be a democracy. Ancient Athens denied democracy to women and slaves.
The "greater good" is determined by leaving the most best adapted off spring in power over time and space. A complex mix of political competition and cooperation is what the Founding Father's intended to govern in our divided limited power democratic republic. Ideas are the genetic heritage legacy of democracy and politics.
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Agree, politics and democracy are neither high nor low. But what is clear is NYT is low. Blatantly low in its handling of the election season, from day one.
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It's because Bernie Sanders, always a man of principle, stood by his principle of not electing trump. Bernie is a man of character.
And that is a lot more than you can say of Hillary who came fighting and screaming when she lost to Obama.
No character. No principle.
And that is a lot more than you can say of Hillary who came fighting and screaming when she lost to Obama.
No character. No principle.
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Not really - I think you need to review your history. When she saw she had lost, she did everything she could to get Obama elected. This was mentioned in Michelle Obama's speech. Lots of character and principle.
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For all his years in both houses of Congress, Bernie Sanders has been a marginal actor. His campaign for president has given him considerable standing and an ability to exert influence on the Clinton campaign. While the "bitter-Enders" don't want to hear this, by graciously (not a term often associated with Bernie) conceding the nomination to Mrs. Clinton, he just may have laid the groundwork for a more progressive turn by the Democratic Party Zimmerman the coming years.
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Exactly.
Democracy is making a closed door choice and then eliminating any opposition? Seriously, why have expensive elections? Regardless of the winner this year, over 50% of the people will feel the election is illegitimate.
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At the end of the day the fleas don't care what dog they feed on, as long as they are fed. A pathetic lot of losers. I feel sorry for their supporters, they really don't grasp how foolish they are for buying into this crap. Even after four years of the worst administration in our history, these sheep want even more pain. It's time for the adults to take control folks, and fix the mess the children have left behind.
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I think I got a better understanding of the mentality of the Bernie or Bust children when one of them interviewed a couple of nights ago complained that Bernie spoke at 10 because she "had to listen to everyone else first." (She also didn't understand that was prime speaking time, but that's another story)
Unlike the long time Democratic Progressives who do listen and form intelligent opinions, this childish group only listens to their Facebook friends, and reads articles that are hand selected for them.
I was going to ask them how they could listen last night to Hillary's accomplishments compared to their guy, who racked in $170,000 a year for voting no on everything and lifting up his head now and then to rant a speech, and still feel so much hate. But as it is, they apparently walked out. Too much for them to listen to anything but their own drumbeat. They might have second thoughts, and they couldn't have that.
Unlike the long time Democratic Progressives who do listen and form intelligent opinions, this childish group only listens to their Facebook friends, and reads articles that are hand selected for them.
I was going to ask them how they could listen last night to Hillary's accomplishments compared to their guy, who racked in $170,000 a year for voting no on everything and lifting up his head now and then to rant a speech, and still feel so much hate. But as it is, they apparently walked out. Too much for them to listen to anything but their own drumbeat. They might have second thoughts, and they couldn't have that.
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Is anyone else that read this editorial actually in Philadelphia and actually attending the convention? Democracy is not placing the huge DNC thumb on the scales of fairness. As for the notion that the DNC convention is unified. I have witnessed hundreds of Bernie supporters, and delegates have their signs confiscated, and threats made to them that they will lose their credentials. So I guess that Democracy is great, as long as it just applies to the candidate you like?
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Conventions should be abolished. They no longer nominate, just crown the known winner.
Who can stand watching the endless speech making, all full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? Orwellian bombast.
In the final analysis, conventions insult the country.
Who can stand watching the endless speech making, all full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? Orwellian bombast.
In the final analysis, conventions insult the country.
No kidding! You must be new. They are always boring. That is why we have alternate viewing on cable, and DVRs to stack up other stuff to watch.
You guys come out of nowhere with your great "ideas" about how to change everything. This is getting very old.
You guys come out of nowhere with your great "ideas" about how to change everything. This is getting very old.
Political conventions became coronations with the advent of the caucus/primary nomination process. Since there is very little discussion of detailed policy plans, they are balloons, confetti and speeches by friends events. Probably better than the smoke-filled, back-room wheeling and dealing that took place up until the 1970's but far less entertaining.
The high point of the Democratic convention for me thus far was when Bernie Sanders realized his "revolution" had fizzled out by his declaration that Hillary Clinton should be the Democratic nominee for president by acclamation. Even Bernie Sanders couldn't take it anymore. I almost felt sorry for Bernie Sanders who looked like he was more than ready to retire to some gated Florida senior community. However I don't feel sorry of any of the die hard Bernie Sanders' supporters who choose to remain safely wrapped up in their protective bubble. Didn't any of you see the delegate tallies at the bottom of your TV screens during the roll call of states? Sanders was way behind Clinton the whole time and there was no way he was going to magically catch up to her at the last second. If you want to stomp out of the convention like the sore losers that you are then all I could say is good riddance. None of you faux Democrats will be missed.
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Anyone who does not grasp the fundamental difference between the bizarre, fact-free, overtly totalitarian cult of personality presented last week by what was once a political party and is now half mob, half tailgate party, and the true democracy in action we are seeing now has had their brain washed so many times they can't do a thing with it.
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Same can be said of the Clinton cultists. Except they are worse because they don't recognize democracy, and had to make sure that their candidate got to the nomination by hook or by crook.
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I'll take boring over dreadful any day and those are our current choices. Hillary has proven what the the GOP hasn't since their embrace of the tea party. She is willing to do the long hard tedious work required to actually govern.
The GOP has been that parent who has let his kid behave awfully for so long that they cower to the child's every win. And they created an opportunity for the biggest temper-tantrum throwing baby ever.
The rest of the world doesn't have the 2 second attention span we have. Mexico and China will not easily forget Trumps nonsense. And whether he likes it or not, American business has interests in those countries. As he should know better than anyone with his gold plated junk made in China.
And Putin has been licking his chops at the thought of a partner in crime. Worse than the fact he has zero ideas and clearly doesn't understand domestic or foreign policy is that it doesn't bother him in the slightest bit.
Soma democrats, get on the filthy ground, make sure people are registered to vote, get them there, give them water, food if these states are hindering their vote. But. A huge turnout is a must.
The GOP has been that parent who has let his kid behave awfully for so long that they cower to the child's every win. And they created an opportunity for the biggest temper-tantrum throwing baby ever.
The rest of the world doesn't have the 2 second attention span we have. Mexico and China will not easily forget Trumps nonsense. And whether he likes it or not, American business has interests in those countries. As he should know better than anyone with his gold plated junk made in China.
And Putin has been licking his chops at the thought of a partner in crime. Worse than the fact he has zero ideas and clearly doesn't understand domestic or foreign policy is that it doesn't bother him in the slightest bit.
Soma democrats, get on the filthy ground, make sure people are registered to vote, get them there, give them water, food if these states are hindering their vote. But. A huge turnout is a must.
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The difference between the two conventions couldn't be more crystal clear. Trump's version of the GOP came off as mean-spirited attackers ("lock her up") while the Democratic convention has embraced the belief that America is not broken and does not need to be "made great again." No question that Hillary and Bernie have their differences but they did not savage each other the way Trump savaged "low energy" Jeb, "lyin" Ted, and "little" Marco to claw his way to the nomination. That won't cut it against Hillary, for Trump will meet his match on the debate stage and finally be exposed as the paper tiger he is.
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It will be difficult to outdo Michelle’s Obama speech. It will up there for a long time.. Michelle Obama did for Hillary Clinton what Bill Clinton did for Barrack Obama in 2008.
Last night, Bill Clinton’s speech was not only a window to look at his wife in a new way, the most powerful message was the portrait of Hillary’s track record of being an agent of change, of making it right.
By the way, Democracy is a way of Government elected by majority and should represent all of the people, including the minorities that did not vote for such Government. Democracy should look like a place with less crowded prisons, with a healthy economy that reaches all sectors of the population and, the will to preserve earth for generations that are not born yet.
Democracy does not look like a wall, fear or bullying.
Last night, Bill Clinton’s speech was not only a window to look at his wife in a new way, the most powerful message was the portrait of Hillary’s track record of being an agent of change, of making it right.
By the way, Democracy is a way of Government elected by majority and should represent all of the people, including the minorities that did not vote for such Government. Democracy should look like a place with less crowded prisons, with a healthy economy that reaches all sectors of the population and, the will to preserve earth for generations that are not born yet.
Democracy does not look like a wall, fear or bullying.
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Michelle's talks about having to "sleep in a house built by slaves.." When she says stuff like that it is disrespectful to this nation, the actual people who built the White House and to history.
She's pandering, and shows herself to be a bigoted, (in reverse) nasty, opportunistic First Lady who hasn't appreciated a day where she is.
Thank goodness this bad administration is ending. She can sleep easy then and we won't have to hear her obnoxious comments.
She's pandering, and shows herself to be a bigoted, (in reverse) nasty, opportunistic First Lady who hasn't appreciated a day where she is.
Thank goodness this bad administration is ending. She can sleep easy then and we won't have to hear her obnoxious comments.
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Michelle Obama's speech was inspiring until one reflects that the US was among the last nations to outlaw slavery. And in the 1860's, Americans were still actively stealing land from Native Americans by hook or crook or outright murder.
Nowadays we are one of the few "modern" countries where families can still lose everything trying to pay for healthcare, where the infant mortality rate is around 37th after other nations, where people are still paying for their college education into middle age, and the gun death rate is equal to none. Where so many are uninformed to approve an invasion of another country based on lies.
So it seems delusional not to mention egotistical for so many to scream at and applaud comments like "we are the greatest nation on earth".
Nowadays we are one of the few "modern" countries where families can still lose everything trying to pay for healthcare, where the infant mortality rate is around 37th after other nations, where people are still paying for their college education into middle age, and the gun death rate is equal to none. Where so many are uninformed to approve an invasion of another country based on lies.
So it seems delusional not to mention egotistical for so many to scream at and applaud comments like "we are the greatest nation on earth".
Bill Clinton told a truth-to-power story of the real Hillary. I believe it will help offset the phony and dishonest attempts at character assassination that The Right has been trying to use during this election season.
And the Dem convention was uplifting (and yes, messy) in it's truly *democratic* presentation. The seats were packed with enthusiastic and passionate people.
The Republican convention looked dark, ominous and listless by comparison with lots of empty seats. No wonder so many Republicans left early each night.
Last night we saw #42 and tonight we'll see #44 at the Dem event. But no #43 at the Republican convention? They couldn't even get the local governor to appear.
And the Dem convention was uplifting (and yes, messy) in it's truly *democratic* presentation. The seats were packed with enthusiastic and passionate people.
The Republican convention looked dark, ominous and listless by comparison with lots of empty seats. No wonder so many Republicans left early each night.
Last night we saw #42 and tonight we'll see #44 at the Dem event. But no #43 at the Republican convention? They couldn't even get the local governor to appear.
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Heavens, his speech was scripted. I liked the speech, but was not so naive as to consider it the "truth-to-power story of ther real Clinton. The omissions were stark.
Bill was impeached for lying, remember? He was disbarred. And he hasn't exactly been the most faithful of spouses. The Clintons are like herpes, just when you think you're rid of them, they come back. The best comparison I have heard was one comparing them to Tom and Daisy Buchanan in "The Great Gatsby." They carelessly and amorally as well as immorally corrupt and taint everyone and everything with whom and with which they come into contact, while suffering no consequences themselves.
The Democratic convention looks like my day-to-day life: a wide variety of people of different backgrounds and beliefs finding ways to work together. Apart from his being wholly unqualified to hold the position, I would never vote for Trump because he insults and degrades this truth that I witness every day. I doubt very much that his voters see anything different in their lives either.
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It is interesting to watch the Republican Party boo the man who appeals to their convention to vote their conscience. The voters in the Republican Party do what they always do, march lock step in line with the person at the head of their ticket. They are clannish in the extreme. The Democrats reflect a true democracy in the diversity of their opinions and passions. That is messy but also healthy. If Trump wins it will not be democratic forces that push him to the top. It will be because the one group (uneducated white males) still powerful in number, that hates diversity rises up in large enough numbers to try and crush what is best in our democracy.
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Having been a Bernie supporter from the start until he was eliminated I understand the anger of his die hard supporters especially due the emails and Hillary hirering the ousted DNC Chairwoman since that upset me too.But I continue to support Hillary and will vote for her because flaws and all she's the only one of the 2 major party candidates who's qualified to be President.For voting 3rd party is out as well as not voting because both would be like a 1/2 vote for Trump which my conscience won't allow me to do.
I am glad the Bernie bust protesters are allowed to express that anger.Also having voted for Bernie in my state's caucus I'm grateful that the Bernie delegates were officially counted because that by extention acknowlaged my caucus vote,a major contrast to last week's GOP Convention.
I am glad the Bernie bust protesters are allowed to express that anger.Also having voted for Bernie in my state's caucus I'm grateful that the Bernie delegates were officially counted because that by extention acknowlaged my caucus vote,a major contrast to last week's GOP Convention.
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Rob, all of this breathless talk about DNC corruption seems to ignore the fact that the DNC's SOLE job is to promote Democratic candidates, hopefully those who are most likely to win elections and help to bring along other Democrats. That was never Bernie, the guy who spent decades criticizing Democrats, who advocated primarying the sitting Democratic president, and who's barely lifted a finger to help elect other Democrats or even liberals sympathetic to his positions. Is it any surprise he had no allies within the party he only technically joined so that he could have access to their infrastructure, cash and voter lists.
And even if every single DNC member despised Bernie, the actual voting process is what matters, and that hasn't changed since the prior election and is controlled at the state level. On top of that, Clinton decidedly won on every metric -- total number of votes by over 3.7 million, pledged delegates by 359, superdelegates by 554, total contests, total open/closed primaries, total caucuses -- by WAY more than Obama "beat" Clinton in 2008. What is a shame is that people actually bought into Sanders' victimhood spin (which should have been obvious to any thinking person when his team attempted repeatedly to steal Clinton data from the DNC and then sued the DNC over their righteous response). It is also a shame that the DWS had to take the fall for Bernie's silly "rigged election" meme run amok.
And even if every single DNC member despised Bernie, the actual voting process is what matters, and that hasn't changed since the prior election and is controlled at the state level. On top of that, Clinton decidedly won on every metric -- total number of votes by over 3.7 million, pledged delegates by 359, superdelegates by 554, total contests, total open/closed primaries, total caucuses -- by WAY more than Obama "beat" Clinton in 2008. What is a shame is that people actually bought into Sanders' victimhood spin (which should have been obvious to any thinking person when his team attempted repeatedly to steal Clinton data from the DNC and then sued the DNC over their righteous response). It is also a shame that the DWS had to take the fall for Bernie's silly "rigged election" meme run amok.
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Voting for a 3rd party is not a1/2 vote for Trump- it is a full vote for Trump. I don't understand why so many people fail to see this crucial fact. If Bernie supporters don't get behind Clinton, we can look forward to 8 years of dystopian totalitarianism.
sad that the promise of bernie's "we the people" lessons has, at the last, benefited such a sly boots as hrc...(bill serving the kool ade was a special treat for the willing)...the bet here is that bernie, after an actual campaign against trump would have beaten him...their main point of agreement (againt the "rigged system") would have been the foundation of a debate between the reformer and one of the riggers...no contest...too bad we won't get to see it or a west wing that is rather the people's home office than a k street branch.
The ancient Greek philosophers deemed democracy to have many excellent qualities, but the singular significant liability was ignorant voters, who would believe what dishonest politicians tell them. They were and are absolutely correct. The stupidity of many American voters is on display once again.
Trump is the antithesis of intelligent governance, trading narcissistic ignorance for not knowing what he doesn't know, yet he has many clueless supporters who have no idea what the details and realities of issues are. America can't be great when there are so many fools buying from the orange-colored con man.
Hillary has the experience, wisdom and work ethic to be an excellent president, yet dumb American voters insist they don't trust her, and they actually don't know why. Republicans have vilified her without cause for decades, the ignorant expect her to pretend the financial services industry doesn't exist and the millennials too often prove that being young doesn't mean knowing much about political, economic and governance realities.
Not voting is voting...for Trump. He can only win if ignorant voters let him. Wake up America.
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Trump is the antithesis of intelligent governance, trading narcissistic ignorance for not knowing what he doesn't know, yet he has many clueless supporters who have no idea what the details and realities of issues are. America can't be great when there are so many fools buying from the orange-colored con man.
Hillary has the experience, wisdom and work ethic to be an excellent president, yet dumb American voters insist they don't trust her, and they actually don't know why. Republicans have vilified her without cause for decades, the ignorant expect her to pretend the financial services industry doesn't exist and the millennials too often prove that being young doesn't mean knowing much about political, economic and governance realities.
Not voting is voting...for Trump. He can only win if ignorant voters let him. Wake up America.
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This is the kind of writing that should be a "NYT Picks," rather than the puzzling incomprehensibility of choices the NYT so often makes.
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Very well said. I shudder to think of the many millions applauding Trump, the scenario is losing the USA millions of affectionate human beings beyond its borders. Even those who claim to hate the USA secretly cannot help but admire the many features the USA has enriched humanity with; from its brilliant schools to its breath taking natural variety. Many remains bewildered that Trump got this far.
Hillary has the experience, work ethic and intelligence, but I see no evidence of wisdom. There are many of us who don't trust her and we do know why. Her husband's policies were disastrous for the country, especially the poor. Her hawkish foreign policies are terrifying. Her vote for the Iraq was is unforgivable. She is a centrist corporate democrat who's values are good as long as they don't interfere with her desire for power. I will be voting for her--haven't missed an election in 37 years--but don't expect me to be happy about it. At a time when the stakes probably haven't been hire we have the worst set of candidates for both parties I've seen in my life (and that does include Sanders).
Despite the Times' optimism this morning the extremist Bernie supporters are as hostile to Hillary as ever and, now, to the Democratic party as well, witness the comments below. Their stupid, destructive and narcissistic behavior threatens to hand the election, if its at all close, to Trump. They will have to live with the consequences for many decades to come, assuming that the U.S. actually survives a Trump presidency. Dangerous fools.
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How true...we have so soon forgotten the legacy of Nader's third party run and the results. A vote for Jill Stein might feel good, but it is a really a vote for Trumpworld, which should make us all fear for the Republic.
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Stupid; we are the people who tried at least not to just hand over the nomination to Hillary. The convention was fixed.
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I'm no Trump supporter, but frankly I' m more scared of Hillary's foreign policy than Trump's ranting. His wall is a pipe dream and any damage he does within the US can be probably reversed. Her hawkish policies can lead to a War, the consequences of which could be devastating. He's a wild card; she's not -- we've already seen the damage she can do (Libya, Honduras) and evidence of her belief that she is above the law. Democracy means voting for someone who represents one's interests and beliefs, or someone whom one admires -- not voting for the better of two evils. There are other candidates out there and it is our democratic right to be able to vote for them rather than to be coerced and cowed into voting for someone who is clearly elitist and beholden to corporate power.
The problem for Hillary Clinton is that progressives do understand what she, as well as democracy, are all about.
Paraphrasing Bernie Sanders: she voted for the war in Iraq, the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in the history of America; she voted for trade agreements that cost millions of Americans decent paying jobs; she's raising money for her super PAC from some of the wealthiest people in this country, some of the most outrageous special interests including Wall Street whose greed and recklessness helped destroy the economy.
And Bernie's list doesn't even include the fact that she compromised the security of sensitive government information while at the State Department because she placed a higher priority on protecting the security of her own personal information.
If democracy means anything it's that our government officials are accountable to the people. The DNC successfully designed and managed an undemocratic primary process that allowed Hillary to be anointed without fully addressing her record. And now the party establishment wants progressives to get with the program because, hey, well, uh, she's not as scary as Donald Trump, right?
In addition to attacking Donald Trump, progressives want to hear Hillary clearly explain and defend her record. Over the next three months, she'll have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to demonstrate to the people that SHE understands what democracy is all about.
Paraphrasing Bernie Sanders: she voted for the war in Iraq, the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in the history of America; she voted for trade agreements that cost millions of Americans decent paying jobs; she's raising money for her super PAC from some of the wealthiest people in this country, some of the most outrageous special interests including Wall Street whose greed and recklessness helped destroy the economy.
And Bernie's list doesn't even include the fact that she compromised the security of sensitive government information while at the State Department because she placed a higher priority on protecting the security of her own personal information.
If democracy means anything it's that our government officials are accountable to the people. The DNC successfully designed and managed an undemocratic primary process that allowed Hillary to be anointed without fully addressing her record. And now the party establishment wants progressives to get with the program because, hey, well, uh, she's not as scary as Donald Trump, right?
In addition to attacking Donald Trump, progressives want to hear Hillary clearly explain and defend her record. Over the next three months, she'll have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to demonstrate to the people that SHE understands what democracy is all about.
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This is what our very limited democracy looks like. On both the Democratic and Republican side the candidate selection process remains almost entirely based on money. On the GOP side several of the candidates had their own billionaire sponsor and only remained in the race because of their private backing.
The same has been true for the most part for the Democrats. While much has been made about Obama's social media fundraising, the fact is that most of his campaign funds came from traditional big money sources.
While Sanders campaign has been somewhat of an exception, the sheer amounts necessary to campaign for office at almost every level are staggering. The truth is the two parties have a monopoly on the system. They set the rules, they draw up campaign districts and they completely dominate the electoral process.
Ironically, during this presidential campaign it's obvious that if there was real democracy we would have at least four political parties vying for the presidency. The GOP would divide between the old conservatives and the far right represented by Trump and the Democrats would divide between the mainstream Clinton and the reform movement led by Sanders.
But because of the stranglehold on the system each of these elements is forced into the fold of the dominate party. The DNC emails show that not only is the Democrat side of things corrupt, the entire system is corrupt. Sorry, this is not what democracy SHOULD look like.
The same has been true for the most part for the Democrats. While much has been made about Obama's social media fundraising, the fact is that most of his campaign funds came from traditional big money sources.
While Sanders campaign has been somewhat of an exception, the sheer amounts necessary to campaign for office at almost every level are staggering. The truth is the two parties have a monopoly on the system. They set the rules, they draw up campaign districts and they completely dominate the electoral process.
Ironically, during this presidential campaign it's obvious that if there was real democracy we would have at least four political parties vying for the presidency. The GOP would divide between the old conservatives and the far right represented by Trump and the Democrats would divide between the mainstream Clinton and the reform movement led by Sanders.
But because of the stranglehold on the system each of these elements is forced into the fold of the dominate party. The DNC emails show that not only is the Democrat side of things corrupt, the entire system is corrupt. Sorry, this is not what democracy SHOULD look like.
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Sanders is right when he says that “Democracy is a little bit messy sometimes.” He should have continued that the freedom of choice that democracy affords also allows the people to make bad choices. There is no guarantee that democratically made choices will be correct choices. We have numerous examples of that in our history. Perhaps, the most prominent of which was Prohibition which actually required an amendment to our constitution, not an easy process by any measure and full of democratic safeguards to avoid rash decisions.
There is a lot broken in government and society today, and it desperately needs to be fixed. Let's see how well democracy works this time.
There is a lot broken in government and society today, and it desperately needs to be fixed. Let's see how well democracy works this time.
The delusions of dems. What we have seen from the dems is political correctness writ large. It's Hillary's turn and the democrat party establishment leaves no stone unturned in assuring HRC's nomination --- despite her lack of ability and history of scandal. I still haven't identified why it should be her turn or why people should vote for her because she's female. But of course, these are the dems we are talking about.
Sure, she got the most votes, but one wonders if the DNC hadn't worked to undermine Sanders and if there had been no super delegates how things might have turned out. I'm not a Bernie supporter but that's not the point. No one can say for certainty what might have happened in the primaries if there had been a level playing field from the beginning and we know there wasn't.
Now, there are those who say that political parties are private organizations and can do what they want. While true on the surface, the way things work and have worked is having two political parties whose members nominate candidates. Few people have had political success or gained power going outside that model. If the nomination process isn't democratic -- then it undermines the entire system.
So -- the EB is kidding -- right?
Sure, she got the most votes, but one wonders if the DNC hadn't worked to undermine Sanders and if there had been no super delegates how things might have turned out. I'm not a Bernie supporter but that's not the point. No one can say for certainty what might have happened in the primaries if there had been a level playing field from the beginning and we know there wasn't.
Now, there are those who say that political parties are private organizations and can do what they want. While true on the surface, the way things work and have worked is having two political parties whose members nominate candidates. Few people have had political success or gained power going outside that model. If the nomination process isn't democratic -- then it undermines the entire system.
So -- the EB is kidding -- right?
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It was inspiring to watch democracy in action during the second night of the DNC. Sanders supporters were included in a transparent, fair and democratic process that brought the disparate factions of our party together. Bernie was a rock star and a total mench asking Clinton be voted in by acclamation. What a contrast to the spiteful, vicious, freak show we saw come out of the RNC last week. So refreshing to see all those brown faces instead of a sea of monochrome white. So thrilling to see messy democracy in action rather than be assaulted by endless litanies of hate. The Democrats showed the Republicans, America and the world what democracy looks like in action. I am extremely proud of Sanders and Clinton. The choice between the two parties could not possibly be clearer. Now we need to get out the vote in November and elect the first woman president of the United States of America.
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Jill Stein.
Well, the fact remains that I am grateful to those (alleged) Russian hackers, I finally was able to see the extent of the conspiracy that was aligned against Bernie. That isn't Democracy, the fact that the Democratic power base pretended to welcome the Independent Sanders into the Party, but behind the scenes was working mightily to defeat him.
I am not convinced that the Democratic learned anything from Bernie's challenge. The Clinton's routinely run to the left in the Primaries and then rule from the center right. But I have learned two things from this campaign season.
1) Even though I am nearly 70, I can still be inspired by remarkable people...thanks Bernie.
2) The very poor and the non-college educated in this country have few friends. That isn't racism, it is just taking a look at the Democratic leadership. Elitism isn't just about billionaires, it is also about the dominance of the Harvard Law School types.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
I am not convinced that the Democratic learned anything from Bernie's challenge. The Clinton's routinely run to the left in the Primaries and then rule from the center right. But I have learned two things from this campaign season.
1) Even though I am nearly 70, I can still be inspired by remarkable people...thanks Bernie.
2) The very poor and the non-college educated in this country have few friends. That isn't racism, it is just taking a look at the Democratic leadership. Elitism isn't just about billionaires, it is also about the dominance of the Harvard Law School types.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
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You and I know the race was fixed from the get go and it really wasn't by acclimation. I will never trust the DNC again.
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Hugh
1. This is politics. Sanders was an independent who hadn't worked that hard to support the Democratic party for 30 years like Hillary had; so there were bound to be some internal struggles in the party. I'm sure he knew what he was getting into.
2.Legislation to help the very poor and the non-college educated create better lives has always been in the platform of the Democratic party and in the law-making of the Democratic party. They just don't have the votes.
So all you Bernie supporters need to vote Democratic.
1. This is politics. Sanders was an independent who hadn't worked that hard to support the Democratic party for 30 years like Hillary had; so there were bound to be some internal struggles in the party. I'm sure he knew what he was getting into.
2.Legislation to help the very poor and the non-college educated create better lives has always been in the platform of the Democratic party and in the law-making of the Democratic party. They just don't have the votes.
So all you Bernie supporters need to vote Democratic.
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Read the Dem Platform, you will find it is 90% Bernie. Read the Republican Platform, you will find it hateful & regressive. Then for good measure Google Paul Manafort and the Russians, that should scare the bejesus out of you. As Dems we can't let Assange/Putin lead us down the rabbit hole of who said what to who in emails; it's a dangerous distraction from the job at hand-Vote Clinton.
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The criticism of so-called Sanders "dead-enders" is everywhere. Editors of this newspaper (e.g., Rosenthal), high profile comedians (e.g., Sarah Silverman, Trevor Noah, Seth Meyers...), and political elites among others are tripping over themselves to deny the validity of people's anger over the nomination of Clinton.
Spaniards have a saying, "comerselo con patatas" (eat it with potatoes). That, essentially, is what all voters are being told. The Democratic party elites choose whoever they want as its front person, breaking its own rules in the process (Wasserman), and those who don't like it are told that they can eat it with potatoes. The party backs a weak and damaged candidate who has serious and legitimate problems, and we are told "too bad." And despite the high-minded rhetoric, Clinton is sold using the same tactic that Trump uses -- fear. She is mainly presented as the less worse of the candidates (see the comments of Noah, Silverman, Meyers, etc.), not as someone who fundamentally understands the issues facing the citizens of our country. The Supreme Court! Obamacare! This is serious!
Despite the patronizing, we all know this is serious, and some of us are furious that the best the Democratic party can do is offer us another Clinton and the same tired vision of small incremental change. Fundamentally, the elites don't care because they will prosper regardless of who is in office. So, if you don't like the "Sanders dead enders", then eat it with potatoes.
Spaniards have a saying, "comerselo con patatas" (eat it with potatoes). That, essentially, is what all voters are being told. The Democratic party elites choose whoever they want as its front person, breaking its own rules in the process (Wasserman), and those who don't like it are told that they can eat it with potatoes. The party backs a weak and damaged candidate who has serious and legitimate problems, and we are told "too bad." And despite the high-minded rhetoric, Clinton is sold using the same tactic that Trump uses -- fear. She is mainly presented as the less worse of the candidates (see the comments of Noah, Silverman, Meyers, etc.), not as someone who fundamentally understands the issues facing the citizens of our country. The Supreme Court! Obamacare! This is serious!
Despite the patronizing, we all know this is serious, and some of us are furious that the best the Democratic party can do is offer us another Clinton and the same tired vision of small incremental change. Fundamentally, the elites don't care because they will prosper regardless of who is in office. So, if you don't like the "Sanders dead enders", then eat it with potatoes.
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I didn't have to watch the conventions, though I did, to understand how clear the differences are between the two parties. Hillary is a flawed candidate in many ways. But look at what she brings with her. The Democratic Party is one of unity, and hope, and reason, and a focus on the people of America. It could not be more obvious that the Republicans are the polar opposite of this. Trump has not one single virtue, as a politician or a human. The GOP platform is entirely regressive, and would drag the country back to the dark ages of hate, and institutionalized bigotry, and economic calamity.
It is incomprehensible that a person who holds American values dear could ever vote against them by supporting the insanity of Trump. Utterly incomprehensible.
Please, America. vote wisely. The entire world's future depends on Hillary being elected.
It is incomprehensible that a person who holds American values dear could ever vote against them by supporting the insanity of Trump. Utterly incomprehensible.
Please, America. vote wisely. The entire world's future depends on Hillary being elected.
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Leaving aside all the highfalutin talk, from a pragmatic standpoint, it's really simple. And this a dyed-in-the-wool Sanders supporter talking.
If your goal is to build a New Progressive movement capable of enacting meaningful change, there are two ways to do that right now.
1) Build up the Green Party until they have sufficient infrastructure to win a Presidential contest -- that is, until they field as many local, state, and Federal elected officials as the entire Democratic party, have solved their perpetual fundraising puzzle, and can play in the big leagues (which they clearly, incontrovertibly and self-evidently can't do, yet).
Or
2) Push the Democratic party gradually to the left, by incrementally forcing them to enshrine progressive policies into their platform or risk losing votes.
These are both valid tactics! It's just that the first will take a boatload more work. If this is an RPG, and I have a pool of Action Points to spend, trying to push the Dems left is just much more bang for my buck.
And I applaud those who take the other way -- and when the arithmetic changes, I'll happily join them. But here's the cut and dry test:
Unless that arithmetic is going to change by November, I cannot clear it by my conscience to vote for anyone other than Clinton, no matter how much I have to hold my nose to do so. And it's taken me about a year to swallow that pill, but here we are.
If your goal is to build a New Progressive movement capable of enacting meaningful change, there are two ways to do that right now.
1) Build up the Green Party until they have sufficient infrastructure to win a Presidential contest -- that is, until they field as many local, state, and Federal elected officials as the entire Democratic party, have solved their perpetual fundraising puzzle, and can play in the big leagues (which they clearly, incontrovertibly and self-evidently can't do, yet).
Or
2) Push the Democratic party gradually to the left, by incrementally forcing them to enshrine progressive policies into their platform or risk losing votes.
These are both valid tactics! It's just that the first will take a boatload more work. If this is an RPG, and I have a pool of Action Points to spend, trying to push the Dems left is just much more bang for my buck.
And I applaud those who take the other way -- and when the arithmetic changes, I'll happily join them. But here's the cut and dry test:
Unless that arithmetic is going to change by November, I cannot clear it by my conscience to vote for anyone other than Clinton, no matter how much I have to hold my nose to do so. And it's taken me about a year to swallow that pill, but here we are.
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I am getting resentful of hearing people who assert they must "hold their nose" to vote for Hillary. It is just disrespectful of someone who has been working on the public interest for years, figuring out the way forward.
Points taken, but you move the Democratic party to the left by actually voting in Democrats at every election. If you leave Democrats depleted and stranded, they have no choice but to negotiate with whoever else is in office. Thus, shifts to the middle instead of shifts to the left.
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American style Democracy seems to always have the same mantra- the other person must be stopped at any and all costs. One must put aside any ideals or principles and compromise to save the country from total ruin. Bernie punted because he feared running as an independent or joining the Green Party would mean a Trump victory and he'd be to blame for that planet destroying event. So fear drove him ionto the skirt (pantsuit, sorry) of Hillary where he can now hide. So fear, fear, fear rules this democracy lik it does when a dictator runs the show.
Great editorial. Particularly this line, so salient in a time of valid questions about democracy: "The bleak extremism of the Trump campaign seems to have put the fate of some basic democratic values in play — a tolerance of dissenting views, a willingness to compromise, the eternal search for common ground."
It was striking to watch the GOP ignore dissenting vices, steam rolling any anti-Trump forces. Not so in Philly: dissent has a voice in a very broad-based party. Bernie Sanders supporters were given their due, and a role in the speaker lineup.
The GOP keeps claiming to be a "big tent" party, but I saw far more of the big tent concept in this convention. Just look at the speakers! Disabled people, poor people, mothers of slain children, immigrant stories. This convention so far reflects just about every color of the rainbow we call America.
Bernie Sanders has said, over and over, democracy is messy. Unruly and fractious. Isn't that how our founders were, arguing over the provisions in the Constitution?
What I fear most in thinking about a Trump presidency is the stifling of dissenting views. Law and order may be a nice slogan for a world that seems out of control, but tinkering with the ideas of law and order could also apply to every single citizen, in the abridgments of basic human and constitutional rights.
It was striking to watch the GOP ignore dissenting vices, steam rolling any anti-Trump forces. Not so in Philly: dissent has a voice in a very broad-based party. Bernie Sanders supporters were given their due, and a role in the speaker lineup.
The GOP keeps claiming to be a "big tent" party, but I saw far more of the big tent concept in this convention. Just look at the speakers! Disabled people, poor people, mothers of slain children, immigrant stories. This convention so far reflects just about every color of the rainbow we call America.
Bernie Sanders has said, over and over, democracy is messy. Unruly and fractious. Isn't that how our founders were, arguing over the provisions in the Constitution?
What I fear most in thinking about a Trump presidency is the stifling of dissenting views. Law and order may be a nice slogan for a world that seems out of control, but tinkering with the ideas of law and order could also apply to every single citizen, in the abridgments of basic human and constitutional rights.
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I guess your view of democracy is a rigged election process with those responsible for running it backing the preferred candidate. Sounds a bit like Venezuela or Cuba. Then again, that is what some Democrats want the US to turn into!.
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What would have happened if Bernie never ran? It would have been a coronation, not a convention.
That Senator Sanders has inspired such strong loyalty among his supporters is a testament to his excellent character and the importance of the policies and programs that he has advanced.
That Senator Sanders has profoundly shaped the Democratic platform and led the party's march to unity are evidence of his effectiveness and pragmatism.
Thank you, Senator Sanders. I salute you and am proud to have supported you. On to a Democratic victory in November.
That Senator Sanders has profoundly shaped the Democratic platform and led the party's march to unity are evidence of his effectiveness and pragmatism.
Thank you, Senator Sanders. I salute you and am proud to have supported you. On to a Democratic victory in November.
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Donald Trump has also "inspired such loyalty asking his supporters", guessing that you wouldn't attribute that to his good character?
in the same way that some Trump supporters are motivated by hate and fear of the other, so it is true of Sanders' supporters. Witness the anti semitism and being of the Israeli flag. (but not the burning of any other country's).
in the same way that some Trump supporters are motivated by hate and fear of the other, so it is true of Sanders' supporters. Witness the anti semitism and being of the Israeli flag. (but not the burning of any other country's).
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As they say, its the best Democracy money can buy. Anyone who believes special interests don't completely control the Presidency and Congress is living in a dream world.
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A rightist whining about Citizens United?
See, President Clinton is alreasy changing the status quo.
See, President Clinton is alreasy changing the status quo.
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The first night was exciting and inspirational with great speeches. The dissension made it more interesting.
By contrast, the second night was a bore. I didn't need the long chronology of Hillary's life from Bill. And the repeated focus by several speakers and entertainers on little girl's dreams and glass ceilings seemed staged and forced - and endless.
I hope tonight they get back to the issues.
By contrast, the second night was a bore. I didn't need the long chronology of Hillary's life from Bill. And the repeated focus by several speakers and entertainers on little girl's dreams and glass ceilings seemed staged and forced - and endless.
I hope tonight they get back to the issues.
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Interesting that you don't think glass ceilings are worthy of being included in the issues and that glass ceilings seemed staged and forced and endless.
The only thing that I can agree with you is that glass ceilings seem endless.
The only thing that I can agree with you is that glass ceilings seem endless.
you, sir, are a cynic
Selling us a bill of goods is not democracy, unless all goods can be returned under warranty! We have plenty of undelivered political goods as well as faulty ones that the Clintons have sold us over the years. If they were an auto maker, defaulting on their political promises or failing to deliver the vehicle they sold us, they would be in jail. And why were they regular dining and social companions with the "devilish" Trump, who contributed to Hillary's Senate campaign, but not with the Obamas? Clinton ought to return Trump's money!
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An interesting remark. However, the fact is that running country is nothing at all like being an auto maker.
Except that most of us believe that ethical conduct applies to auto sales staff as well as our elected politicians.
In the case of Clinton v Trump you have a problem because they were not just friends socializing and dining on a frequent basis, but when Trump decided to challenge Hillary Clinton's bid for President, the fur began to fly. We now know only one side of the story. Trump has admitted that he donated to her Senate campaign for access and favorable votes in the Obama administration for his business interests.
While Hillary has now admitted taking Trump's money, we didn't hear a word about this while she was in the Senate. And only now does she deny that his money influenced any of her Senate votes or cabinet discussions with Obama.
In the case of Clinton v Trump you have a problem because they were not just friends socializing and dining on a frequent basis, but when Trump decided to challenge Hillary Clinton's bid for President, the fur began to fly. We now know only one side of the story. Trump has admitted that he donated to her Senate campaign for access and favorable votes in the Obama administration for his business interests.
While Hillary has now admitted taking Trump's money, we didn't hear a word about this while she was in the Senate. And only now does she deny that his money influenced any of her Senate votes or cabinet discussions with Obama.
Funny that you think the auto industry is known for its ethical conduct. . .Oh, and "ethics" also applies to the way you treat other human beings. I'm afraid your argument is in trouble, Bayou Houma.
This editorial is really extraordinary.
It seems that if there is dissent within the GOP this means the party is weak and bad, but if there is dissent within the Democrats, this means the party is strong and good.
In other words, the NYT editorial board is strictly a partisan of one political party. It is a mouthpiece.
The next time the NYT is wondering why it has so few readers and such precarious finances, it should consider the extent to which it intentionally alienates a vast swath of Americans. Nate Silver's vaunted 538 blog now has Trump with a 55% chance of winning the election, Clinton 45%. The NYT is saying clearly to that 55%: "Go to hell. You're morons, we despise you."
Good luck with that!
It seems that if there is dissent within the GOP this means the party is weak and bad, but if there is dissent within the Democrats, this means the party is strong and good.
In other words, the NYT editorial board is strictly a partisan of one political party. It is a mouthpiece.
The next time the NYT is wondering why it has so few readers and such precarious finances, it should consider the extent to which it intentionally alienates a vast swath of Americans. Nate Silver's vaunted 538 blog now has Trump with a 55% chance of winning the election, Clinton 45%. The NYT is saying clearly to that 55%: "Go to hell. You're morons, we despise you."
Good luck with that!
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The Editorial Board cannot help themselves. Apparently, the have never heard the term "preaching to the choir." They have zero influence in this election.
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It isn't a difference in how the Times views dissent in the two parties. It is how the two parties handle dissent. The theme of the Democratic Convention so far is the value of diversity. The theme of the Republican convention is resistance to diversity and conformity to rigidity.
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Not quite.
The type of dissent within the GOP means the party is weak and bad. Yes it does, because the GOP dissent is a split between those who favor fascism and those who favor democracy, a split between those who favor know-nothingism and those who prefer critical thinking, a split between people who favor irresponsible propaganda and those who prefer truth and thinking.
The type of dissent with the Democrats is different. The Dems are disagreeing over the best way to realize the same goal, which is social democracy (as opposed to capitalism unrestrained by social democracy.) The Dems argue over HOW to reach that goal.
The type of dissent within the GOP means the party is weak and bad. Yes it does, because the GOP dissent is a split between those who favor fascism and those who favor democracy, a split between those who favor know-nothingism and those who prefer critical thinking, a split between people who favor irresponsible propaganda and those who prefer truth and thinking.
The type of dissent with the Democrats is different. The Dems are disagreeing over the best way to realize the same goal, which is social democracy (as opposed to capitalism unrestrained by social democracy.) The Dems argue over HOW to reach that goal.
The rapee embracing the rapor? That's your view of Democracy? I hope you find a lot of advertising dollars under Trump. Thanks, NYT.
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Democracy is never smooth because it always reveals all views, the good, the bad and the ugly. What we saw at the Republican convention was the bad. What we are seeing at the Democratic convention started with the ugly but is growing toward good and even flashing beautiful at times.
Despite dissension and disappointment, the total spirit of the participants at the Democratic convention still aims at higher ideals that everyone can be proud of. I am looking forward to November when the American people will together show that we are not a country of fear and hate and withdrawing but of love and hope and achievement! That would be beautiful!
Despite dissension and disappointment, the total spirit of the participants at the Democratic convention still aims at higher ideals that everyone can be proud of. I am looking forward to November when the American people will together show that we are not a country of fear and hate and withdrawing but of love and hope and achievement! That would be beautiful!
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You cannot come together after several months of saying how terrible this person is then turn around and say that you support them. Non one really buys it. The two party system is a sham, that was never meant to be. These parties have stolen democracy and turned it into a joke. If you want to have better understanding of what the republican and democratic parties have done to the American democracy I suggest you read Cats Craddle by Kurt Vonegut.
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What is Democracy? Would it work in America, in a long exchange of correspondence between Alexis de Tocqueville and his cousin childhood friend in France, the latter now resting beside the grave of my American mother?
Is the Constitution damaged? Should it be amended for the times we live in? Why this delay in placing the President's nomination on the Supreme Court? How vulnerable is America from danger? Will economic strength and its recovery ensure our military power?
These are a few questions that this registered Democrat is asking. Where have the Republicans gone and are we still a Two-Party System? Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, beg to agree to disagree on some of our national issues, but they are at one and stronger for wishing to take back America from Trump. They are fighting together for Democracy, and this is not the time for a Revolution.
How long is it going to take before we run out of time and find ourselves in a new Land? The Trump Empire, one might call it, where there is only 'One Voice' to represent our People and Homeland.
Is the Constitution damaged? Should it be amended for the times we live in? Why this delay in placing the President's nomination on the Supreme Court? How vulnerable is America from danger? Will economic strength and its recovery ensure our military power?
These are a few questions that this registered Democrat is asking. Where have the Republicans gone and are we still a Two-Party System? Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, beg to agree to disagree on some of our national issues, but they are at one and stronger for wishing to take back America from Trump. They are fighting together for Democracy, and this is not the time for a Revolution.
How long is it going to take before we run out of time and find ourselves in a new Land? The Trump Empire, one might call it, where there is only 'One Voice' to represent our People and Homeland.
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Update your passport just in case.
Taking America back from Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush is the battle for the American ages. Neither Donald nor Bernie have ever ruled and reigned in national politics. But Bill, Barack and Hillary have a record. And the American people will either convict or pardon them for what they have done.
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Yes, this is democracy. And if more people participated in it, it wouldn't be this screwed up. It's the lack of participation that allows meddlers to take over and turn things to their advantage. The Bernie people didn't work hard enough. You can blame Debbie Wasserman Schultz if you want to, but it's always the people's fault. And getting Donald Trump elected is not going to help. Participation takes a little effort. Too many don't vote when it counts--and that means in every election!
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An extraordinarily uplifting two days in Philadelphia. And such a stark contrast with the Republican convention. Sen. Sanders has been the consummate gentlemen. It gives one great hope.
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All these massive expenditures of hastily-raised money to put someone in a major, or even minor, political office mean one thing: only big money rules the United States. No matter what political posturing goes on between the farcical two parties, which have become increasingly irrelevant and meaningless to the point of caricaturing each other in order to pander more effectively to the disaffected electorate, only the plutocrats really rule. The multinationals who are treated as an individual in our legal system have all the real juice politically, and get whatever they ask for. We are the dupes who pay the lion's share of taxes and vote for whom we are told. In return we are bidden to shut up and be thankful we even have jobs. Some democracy.
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This may be what the "new" democracy looks like but it is nothing akin to what we once had in this country. When a party can manipulate the process to block out any contenders they do not want while pretending all is fair it below rotten politics. A party that does not deserve to have the backing of the American people.
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This description does not represent what happened in either party.
Who got blocked out?
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C Tracy when the Republican party can manipulate the process to disenfranchise millions of citizens who lean towards voting for the opposition and who distort the process through gerrymandering THAT is below rotten politics. Your comment is pot calling the kettle black in a truly hypocritical irony.
Hmm. This is what Democracy looks like? The end, MS. Clinton gets the nomination. The means, a conspiracy among the DNC, and herself, to make sure it happened. And, throw out ethics and morals in the process.
This says a loud message that this is anything but democracy. A political party, and its leadership, a candidate, manipulated the process to favor one candidate over another. That is not democracy. That si something that sounds akin to what Putin's political party does.
Go ahead and celebrate this historic "nomination". Go ahead and say that the Democrats are now "unified". Go ahead and say that the Democrats are better than the Republicans. And go ahead and sing "Kubbaya".
But, at the end of the day, the Democrats showed that their party is as corrupt as they come. In many ways they are as corrupt as the Republicans. Though, the Republicans, did not manipulate the outcome. They tried, but failed.
Thus, whatever the outcome, Ms. Clinton was selected by tainted em\\means, that made it look like it was legitimate.
Finally, fro all those people who believe in real democracy, the power of the vote, the empowerment of the people, that is lost on both the Democrats and the Republicans. It is official, through manipulation, we the people live in a faux democracy-republic. We now live in an oligarchy.
Our land of the rule of law, no longer applies to the 1%, and political leaders. The Great Experiment is now dead, and the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves.
This says a loud message that this is anything but democracy. A political party, and its leadership, a candidate, manipulated the process to favor one candidate over another. That is not democracy. That si something that sounds akin to what Putin's political party does.
Go ahead and celebrate this historic "nomination". Go ahead and say that the Democrats are now "unified". Go ahead and say that the Democrats are better than the Republicans. And go ahead and sing "Kubbaya".
But, at the end of the day, the Democrats showed that their party is as corrupt as they come. In many ways they are as corrupt as the Republicans. Though, the Republicans, did not manipulate the outcome. They tried, but failed.
Thus, whatever the outcome, Ms. Clinton was selected by tainted em\\means, that made it look like it was legitimate.
Finally, fro all those people who believe in real democracy, the power of the vote, the empowerment of the people, that is lost on both the Democrats and the Republicans. It is official, through manipulation, we the people live in a faux democracy-republic. We now live in an oligarchy.
Our land of the rule of law, no longer applies to the 1%, and political leaders. The Great Experiment is now dead, and the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves.
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"But, at the end of the day, the Democrats showed that their party is as corrupt as they come. In many ways they are as corrupt as the Republicans."
Documentation please, so that we can know that your comment is not just irresponsible roaring.
Documentation please, so that we can know that your comment is not just irresponsible roaring.
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Nick, dude, you lost by 3.5 million votes. I might have a little sympathy for you if it were, say, even 100,000 votes
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Steve,
Ther are 20,000 e-mails on WikiLEaks. or, you think the Russian made those up too?
If you think that that the entire primary process was legitimate, than you are blind to the corruption.
Ther are 20,000 e-mails on WikiLEaks. or, you think the Russian made those up too?
If you think that that the entire primary process was legitimate, than you are blind to the corruption.
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The GOP convention certainly did not represent democracy.
Around the country club, all the Republicans I polled told me they wanted either Jeb Bush or Robot Romney as their candidate.
The fact that Trump got the nomination despite gaining zero support from my golfing pals tells me a massive fix was in.
Thank God for sensible Hillary, destined to be our new Marget Thatcher!
Around the country club, all the Republicans I polled told me they wanted either Jeb Bush or Robot Romney as their candidate.
The fact that Trump got the nomination despite gaining zero support from my golfing pals tells me a massive fix was in.
Thank God for sensible Hillary, destined to be our new Marget Thatcher!
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Talk to any middle or lower class Britain, and they would really tell you what they thought of Ms. Thatcher. It is not proper to repeat it in a publication like The New York Times.
But, you are right about one thing. Ms. Clinton is in the same mold as Ms. Thatcher. And will do to the US what Thatcher did to the UK.
But, you are right about one thing. Ms. Clinton is in the same mold as Ms. Thatcher. And will do to the US what Thatcher did to the UK.
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Sounds like your sample size is a bit small. You could say the same for Hillary in many groups,
thanks, wonderful sarcasm.
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Free Speech, Liberal-style
Bernie Sanders supporters at the Democratic National Convention claim people are seizing pro-Sanders signs in an effort to suppress the heavy support he is receiving on the convention floor. “They are ripping signs out of people’s hands and threatening no credentials tomorrow if we hold up signs,” claimed Sander's delegates.
That's after the DNC rigged the election for Hillary.
Yes for the NY Times this is what Democracy looks like.
Bernie Sanders supporters at the Democratic National Convention claim people are seizing pro-Sanders signs in an effort to suppress the heavy support he is receiving on the convention floor. “They are ripping signs out of people’s hands and threatening no credentials tomorrow if we hold up signs,” claimed Sander's delegates.
That's after the DNC rigged the election for Hillary.
Yes for the NY Times this is what Democracy looks like.
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The DNC did no such thing. The DNC didn't make me vote for Hillary in the primary election, but Bernie's silly promises did.
"Rigged" is a puerile description and an insult to any voter.
"Rigged" is a puerile description and an insult to any voter.
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Actually, "democracy" is what you would have had if the DNC hadn't chosen to deride Sanders during the whole election.
Sorry, puppeteers controlling elections isn't "Democracy".
Sorry, puppeteers controlling elections isn't "Democracy".
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It seems to me that Hillary being the "far-from-natural politician" may just be the attribute that will make her a great President. Something to think about.
I can not and will not believe that America will pull a U-turn and vote for the darkness. I believe that America will vote to push ahead toward the light.
Hillary 2016
I can not and will not believe that America will pull a U-turn and vote for the darkness. I believe that America will vote to push ahead toward the light.
Hillary 2016
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Change is never easy. The Republican party has gone through the painful process. The Democrats have not. In the end unity is just another word for the status quo and business as usual. It is always easier to do things the same way and fall into the same old pattern--to stifle change instead of to embrace it. Disunity is the price of renewal. Despite the disruption of Bernie's supporters, all of the elements of the traditional Democratic party have fallen into place---the same old faces, the same tired old non-solutions to problems, the same refusal to recognize reality. The old guard think they are perpetuating themselves, but they are only delaying the inevitable. In the Republican party the old familiar faces are gone. They have exiled themselves from the convention, foolishly hoping to return when the old order is restored. In the Democratic party the old order still reigns. The people must wait. Change is coming sooner or later, but the longer it takes , the more painful it will be if the Democrats survive as a party at all.
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The GOP has undergone no change. They have installed Pence to take over when Trump bombs. The Ryan-McConnell-Pence triumvirate will advance the oligarchy of the 1/4%.
Trump has caused some concern because he is a wild card. If he could be trusted to take direction from the GOP, they'd have no problem with him. As it is, he still advances their cause using the same tripe about helping the common man that they have pandered for decades.
Trump has caused some concern because he is a wild card. If he could be trusted to take direction from the GOP, they'd have no problem with him. As it is, he still advances their cause using the same tripe about helping the common man that they have pandered for decades.
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Democracy? Can't tell yet.
Ignore the Sanders’ Diehard jeers and tears. They’re a small minority and good for TV cameras. Most Sanders voters will vote for Clinton. But what will we get for it? Don’t know.
The convention rhetoric is theatrical and no real predictor of the future. We don’t know what the Clintons will do for the country or do to it. We’ve been let down before in various ways by soaring campaign promises as Bill and Barack showed. Let’s hope.
We should be able to move ahead with new candidates to respond to the unmet, overdue needs of the nation. Instead we’re stuck with continuation. Maybe in 4 years a new, more trustworthy challenger will emerge. And not married to a former pres.
Meanwhile, just think if Sanders hadn’t been in the campaign, what kind of candidate would Hillary be?
Ignore the Sanders’ Diehard jeers and tears. They’re a small minority and good for TV cameras. Most Sanders voters will vote for Clinton. But what will we get for it? Don’t know.
The convention rhetoric is theatrical and no real predictor of the future. We don’t know what the Clintons will do for the country or do to it. We’ve been let down before in various ways by soaring campaign promises as Bill and Barack showed. Let’s hope.
We should be able to move ahead with new candidates to respond to the unmet, overdue needs of the nation. Instead we’re stuck with continuation. Maybe in 4 years a new, more trustworthy challenger will emerge. And not married to a former pres.
Meanwhile, just think if Sanders hadn’t been in the campaign, what kind of candidate would Hillary be?
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The Sanders die-hards, in an attempted coup of their own, need to understand that it's not about them. If they want change, they have to be willing to do the hard work: rolling up sleeves; getting hands greasy or dirty; getting splinters in those manicured fingers; happily forgoing some small pleasure--a movie here or a television show there--to put some oil in the wheel's axle and shoulder a load.
Last week's Republican convention in Cleveland was almost a mirror image of a Democratic disaster that preceded it by 48 years, one defined by anger and chaos and riot and violence. Although the physical violence in Grant Park in 1968 was absent last week, its promise loomed over the entire spectacle: removal of 11 million people; the entrenched, dangerous ownership of assault rifles--on display outside the arena--a kind of "I dare you to object. so I can stand my ground"
The disaffected Sanders supporters would be advised to understand that their vision of society will not be achieved by noise and clamor, but by working within the system to effect moderate change. What they really want will probably never come to pass in their lifetimes. Working to close the chasm of income disparity is the beginning, not the end.
To drop their tools and cede the ground to Donald Trump's disaffected battalions is worse than to give up; it's a kind of treason that would never find purchase in honor or respect.
Not every fight can be won. Sometimes a jab, well-placed, is as effective as a KO.
Last week's Republican convention in Cleveland was almost a mirror image of a Democratic disaster that preceded it by 48 years, one defined by anger and chaos and riot and violence. Although the physical violence in Grant Park in 1968 was absent last week, its promise loomed over the entire spectacle: removal of 11 million people; the entrenched, dangerous ownership of assault rifles--on display outside the arena--a kind of "I dare you to object. so I can stand my ground"
The disaffected Sanders supporters would be advised to understand that their vision of society will not be achieved by noise and clamor, but by working within the system to effect moderate change. What they really want will probably never come to pass in their lifetimes. Working to close the chasm of income disparity is the beginning, not the end.
To drop their tools and cede the ground to Donald Trump's disaffected battalions is worse than to give up; it's a kind of treason that would never find purchase in honor or respect.
Not every fight can be won. Sometimes a jab, well-placed, is as effective as a KO.
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Beautifully stated.
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Democracy is a little messy sometimes. And sometimes, it's just plain crooked. So let's not get too carried away patting ourselves on the back. Thanks to Wikileaks to at least shining a light on some of the dark corners.
Sad that it's come to this. Significant corruption is evident in both major parties, and the resulting dysfunction in both is starting to show. To breezily ignore this and hand-wave while chuckling "well, it does get a bit *messy* sometimes" is to endorse corruption as the acceptable business-as-usual model. SO there is no room for complacency. Campaign finance reforms, systems in place for accountability, and transparency of process are urgently needed reforms if there is to be any hope of turning around the steady degeneration of the US political establishment.
Sad that it's come to this. Significant corruption is evident in both major parties, and the resulting dysfunction in both is starting to show. To breezily ignore this and hand-wave while chuckling "well, it does get a bit *messy* sometimes" is to endorse corruption as the acceptable business-as-usual model. SO there is no room for complacency. Campaign finance reforms, systems in place for accountability, and transparency of process are urgently needed reforms if there is to be any hope of turning around the steady degeneration of the US political establishment.
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What the Sanders or Bust contingent don't realize is that they are taking a page from the playbook of Ted Cruz and the Tea Party, and even Donald Trump. It's one thing to drag everything to a stop -- shut down the government or disable the progressive voice in government, it's all the same. Easy. Now, making an agenda and achieving your goals, that's hard. If you really want what Bernie campaigned for, you will get in the fight, not the protest movement. Life can be corrupt. People favor their friends over strangers. If you can really say that this country will be better off under the thumb of Trump and Mitch McConell, then by all means you should vote for Trump. Otherwise, you should recognize being noticed isn't always the same as being effective. And, yes, I voted for Bernie.
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"Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are able to work together for the greater good.". whose greater good other than their own? it bares a striking resemblance to the Crips and the Bloods or the Hell's Angels and the Pagans collaborating.
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Bill Clinton gave a detailed, heartfelt speech about the nominee.
As for the Sanders people who won't vote for HRC or even support Trump, you're the same type of Nader people that gave us W. Bush, the Iraq war, death, plutocracy, and economic meltdown.
Your not progressives, you're spoiled children.
And yes, I voted for Sanders in the primary.
As for the Sanders people who won't vote for HRC or even support Trump, you're the same type of Nader people that gave us W. Bush, the Iraq war, death, plutocracy, and economic meltdown.
Your not progressives, you're spoiled children.
And yes, I voted for Sanders in the primary.
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Both conventions are what democracy looks like—at its worst last week, at its best this week. Last week the Republicans reaped the harvest of fifty years' fighting to keep power for a cynical plutocratic agenda, camouflaged as phony, negative "family values" dividing-and-conquering the American people (the demos) against itself. This week the Democrats reaped their harvest of a hard-fought campaign of opposing but complementary approaches to democratic government, seeking to fulfill the promise of the Declaration's ideals: equality, with rights to equal opportunities for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Both have been messy, but the cynical antidemocratic one is suicidal, as it deserves.
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It seems only fair and proper that Sen. Sanders will now be returning to the Senate as an Independent, which is what he was elected as in the first place. Especially since he has never been a Democrat. His next step after this, I predict, will be creating a new party based on the Socialist principles that have guided his political thinking throughout his entire life.
It will have millions of followers on the day that he forms it. I'd like to see him name it the Free Lunch Party. It will stand for providing a good life to its members by taxing the rest of us.
The Republican Party is not the only party that has been badly damaged by the present election campaign. The Democratic Party has just received a very bad beating also.
It will have millions of followers on the day that he forms it. I'd like to see him name it the Free Lunch Party. It will stand for providing a good life to its members by taxing the rest of us.
The Republican Party is not the only party that has been badly damaged by the present election campaign. The Democratic Party has just received a very bad beating also.
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Bernie Sanders does not have a personality cult; if he did, his supporters would not boo him. Trump is the one with a cult following, and his people would follow him anywhere, obviously. But Sanders did have an obligation to honor the people who supported him and worked for him, and to get their ideas into the platform. And it was especially crucial for him, in his endorsement of Clinton, not to give the lie to everything he said in his campaign about how our rotten system needs radical change. That is why his embrace of Hillary Clinton could not be as fawning as many machine Democrats would have preferred it to be. Since the end of the primary campaign, he has walked a fine line, between unifying the opposition to Trump and not betraying his principles. We have recently learned that the DNC has not been as honorable. When Andrew Rosenthal, elsewhere in this edition, smears Sanders and consigns him to "exit stage left," he speaks directly in the interest of the corrupt status quo.
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"By your friends shall you be known."
I doubt there has been a candidate in recent memory who has been asked during his campaign to disavow the contemptible actions and statements of so many of his "supporters" i.e. people like David Dukes, Corey Lewandowski, as Donald Trump. When he has done it, it has been with extreme reticence. The group of "Z" listers he finally managed to scrape together to endorse him at the convention was a study in desperation and it's fortunate that his multiple marriages provided him with enough progeny to fill out the list. He didn't quote Mussolini during his final convention diatribe or praise the authoritarian virtues of Saddam Hussein or Vladimir Putin, but I'm sure they were there in spirit. Putin must be grinning ear to ear after Trump's recent statements about "perhaps" not defending the Baltic States against foreign aggression.
President Putin knows he could eat a President Trump for breakfast, but that a President Clinton would give him a very bad case of indigestion.
I doubt there has been a candidate in recent memory who has been asked during his campaign to disavow the contemptible actions and statements of so many of his "supporters" i.e. people like David Dukes, Corey Lewandowski, as Donald Trump. When he has done it, it has been with extreme reticence. The group of "Z" listers he finally managed to scrape together to endorse him at the convention was a study in desperation and it's fortunate that his multiple marriages provided him with enough progeny to fill out the list. He didn't quote Mussolini during his final convention diatribe or praise the authoritarian virtues of Saddam Hussein or Vladimir Putin, but I'm sure they were there in spirit. Putin must be grinning ear to ear after Trump's recent statements about "perhaps" not defending the Baltic States against foreign aggression.
President Putin knows he could eat a President Trump for breakfast, but that a President Clinton would give him a very bad case of indigestion.
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Sanders supporter here, and one who could not be prouder of the way Senator Sanders ceded the floor and the spotlight. I confess that I still have misgivings about Clinton. But it says something about your character when even your former opponents and adversaries step up, on principle to speak on your behalf - even when they don't agree with you on every point.
It also speaks volumes when your opponents go on the record to state that they will be fly-fishing or taking their children to watch dumpster fires instead of attending your party convention.
Bottom line: I hope this convention pulls together, unifies, and smashes Trump, his backers, and the entire Republican Party into thousands of little fragmented, ugly pieces.
It also speaks volumes when your opponents go on the record to state that they will be fly-fishing or taking their children to watch dumpster fires instead of attending your party convention.
Bottom line: I hope this convention pulls together, unifies, and smashes Trump, his backers, and the entire Republican Party into thousands of little fragmented, ugly pieces.
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This is what democracy looks like.
Except, it seems, to white men without a degree. For it to look like a democracy, this sector of our population needs to be on board.
Except, it seems, to white men without a degree. For it to look like a democracy, this sector of our population needs to be on board.
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Democrats believe in equal opportunity. What some white men don't seem to understand is that there is a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes.
It's about getting a chance to be on the starting line. Finishing is up to the individual.
Too many whites seem to believe that they shouldn't have to line up at the starting line and race against the others. And the language of the GOP seems to endorse that kind of thinking.
It's about getting a chance to be on the starting line. Finishing is up to the individual.
Too many whites seem to believe that they shouldn't have to line up at the starting line and race against the others. And the language of the GOP seems to endorse that kind of thinking.
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They just to vote democrats to discover which party is really on their side.
When the editorial board says 'this party now belongs to her' they unwittingly underscore a large part of the frustration: democracy should be about people, NOT our leaders.
The Democratic Party does not, and never has, belonged to its leaders....it belongs to its members. When are Democratic elites going to start realising that? Apparently no time soon under Hillary Clinton.
The Democratic Party does not, and never has, belonged to its leaders....it belongs to its members. When are Democratic elites going to start realising that? Apparently no time soon under Hillary Clinton.
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My sentiments exactly ---- the convention is supposed to be about people governing people, not elites. I wonder if our forefathers imagined Meryl Streep or Alicia Keyes? And the Oscar goes to......
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What a load of bull. This wasn't democracy. This was partisan politics and corruption at its finest. Congratulations dnc and your corporate backers, you got your candidate.
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Now that the usurper has been vanquished, the NYT can find a few good things to say about Senator Sanders. We who supported him knew all along he had character and dignity and would put the welfare of the country before his own ambition and agenda. It might be a good time for the editors to read over their coverage and commentary on Senator Sanders. I seem to recall suggestions that he was on an "ego trip" intoxicated by the masses at his rallies. I seem to recall allegations that he was tearing down the Democratic Party and deserved to be pushed off the stage as soon as Hillary crossed the line in the pledged delegate count. But that's allright. He represented his voters and volunteers well right up to the end, and then he did what was best for the country. Donald Trump cannot be president. I just hope, given only the choice of him or Hillary Clinton, the rest of America feels the same.
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@Annie Dooley,
No, NYT will continue to use Bernie as a whipping boy so his former supporters can continue to be the example of what happens when "the adults in the room" turn their backs. This allows HCR to gracefully extend her hand to be kissed by the disaffected republicants she'd love to court with her natural bank-friendly neoliberal policies. NYT can't help it; "fan the flames." Just look at the hate spewed in the comments here.
No, NYT will continue to use Bernie as a whipping boy so his former supporters can continue to be the example of what happens when "the adults in the room" turn their backs. This allows HCR to gracefully extend her hand to be kissed by the disaffected republicants she'd love to court with her natural bank-friendly neoliberal policies. NYT can't help it; "fan the flames." Just look at the hate spewed in the comments here.
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Bernie people had their signs taken away and 800 of them ushered out before the roll call. Bernie voters, 43% of all Democrats who voted, were treated like trash throughout the whole primary, having been issued the wrong ballots, their allegiances switched, and their votes scrubbed or flipped. There were polling places closed where they would be likely to vote, and there was stonewalling when they tried to protest. Exit polls didn't match, so they ceased having them. Thousands showed up at Sander's rallies. Clinton had on average 347 people. Now that Wikileaks has revealed the corruption at the DNC, I am pretty sure this primary was stolen from Bernie Sanders. Is recognizing all of this and protesting it, being a sore loser? Am I missing something here? The worst part is that the majority of independent voters are for Sanders. That means that if Sanders had been nominated, with him polling consistently ahead of Trump throughout this whole primary season, he would have beaten him handily. Clinton has not, and has now lost any ground she had instead of pulling ahead. The Democrats did not pick a winner, and frankly, I don't think they picked anyone. It was rigged for the losing candidate. This is not what democracy is suppose to be. But this is what our democracy is looking like today, the day after the coronation of a candidate, most voters do not really want. No wonder there were so many protests.
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No one rigs their way to a 12-point win. Sanders lost because he was unable to expand his constituency, and by itself his base of young whites was not enough (especially when it's habit is to turn out to rallies but not to the polls). Not recognizing may not be a trait of a sore loser, but it sure looks like a blind one.
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"Democrats who voted, were treated like trash throughout the whole primary, having been issued the wrong ballots, their allegiances switched, and their votes scrubbed or flipped. There were polling places closed..." That is a lot of paranoid nonsense. I remind you that voting is handled by the individual jurisdictions. The DNC does not control how polling places are run, or votes counted.
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Most likely, wikileaks also have the scoop on NYT columnists colluding with Hillary campaign officials.
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I'd like to know what this "greater good" is... IF Hillary is elected- ALL of Bernie's proposals will be swept under the rug and conveniently forgotten. Hillary already has a bought and paid for agenda to follow by Insurance, Big Pharma and Wall Street lobbies and the middle class will end up being the go to piggy bank for her pseudo-social policies. Bernie had a 20+ point lead over Trump- Hillary is neck and neck at best. If she cares as much about American as she claims, she would have stepped aside and let Bernie win the election hands down. That would be "Greater Good" - Instead we are forced to settle with Hillary's self proclaimed political destiny! Barf!
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So......why did HRC win more votes than BS if all the polls show he could beat DT in the general election?
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I'm disappointed that the Sanders supporters have taken to these tactics, but grateful that Sanders himself is out there doing his best to deny Donald Trump the presidency.
As much as I hate to pull out this one, part of me believes that the anti-Hillary protesters are out there protesting just for the sake of protesting. And I realize that this often gets said about legitimate causes, but this temper tantrum being thrown by what appear to be fairly young, overly idealistic and largely white folks who fail to recognize that our democracy functions on compromise. Sure, your candidate lost, but he tugged Clinton leftwards in meaningful ways, got his say in the platform, and DWS resigned.
We already have a holier-than-thou right-wing in this country that refuses to compromise on any issue whatsoever; we certainly don't need a left-wing version of the Tea Party.
Progressive activists need to recognize that there is value to thing baby steps in the right direction. If you can't have a revolution, then settle for evolutionary changes that slowly but surely make lives for all Americans better. Don't threaten to drink bleach just because the store ran out of your favorite beer.
As much as I hate to pull out this one, part of me believes that the anti-Hillary protesters are out there protesting just for the sake of protesting. And I realize that this often gets said about legitimate causes, but this temper tantrum being thrown by what appear to be fairly young, overly idealistic and largely white folks who fail to recognize that our democracy functions on compromise. Sure, your candidate lost, but he tugged Clinton leftwards in meaningful ways, got his say in the platform, and DWS resigned.
We already have a holier-than-thou right-wing in this country that refuses to compromise on any issue whatsoever; we certainly don't need a left-wing version of the Tea Party.
Progressive activists need to recognize that there is value to thing baby steps in the right direction. If you can't have a revolution, then settle for evolutionary changes that slowly but surely make lives for all Americans better. Don't threaten to drink bleach just because the store ran out of your favorite beer.
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Yes democracy is messy as Sanders states. I appears the means justifies the goals in this nomination. I saddened at Bernie caving in. I had this happen to me with Ross Perot in 1990's when he ran as an independent.
I truly believe all this was pre-ordained by the party elders long ago. So to think the DNC is other than a big machine controlled by special interests you are mistaken. The Republican machine got taken over so there is some semblance of Democracy. Well maybe it was a bully-democracy.
If Hillary or Trump or Bernie were our leaders during the Revolution against England we would not have a Democracy.
We are Minions of the special interests, career politicians and our voice , or choice is irrelevant.
I truly believe all this was pre-ordained by the party elders long ago. So to think the DNC is other than a big machine controlled by special interests you are mistaken. The Republican machine got taken over so there is some semblance of Democracy. Well maybe it was a bully-democracy.
If Hillary or Trump or Bernie were our leaders during the Revolution against England we would not have a Democracy.
We are Minions of the special interests, career politicians and our voice , or choice is irrelevant.
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Why do some Bernie supporters and other independent voters think they have a right to highjack the Democratic Party? You weren't beaten by "the party". You were beaten by lifelong, dedicated Democrats.
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Look, I am a democrat (more of a Sanders than Clinton, but fervent supporter of President Obama) and I don't mean to quibble over semantics, but the 'debacle', as you put it, in Cleveland is also what democracy is about . . . ps
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GREAT illustration of this story....I just stared at it for several minutes trying to figure out if the head was of a donkey or a snake....
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This is submission looks like.
The DNC rigs the race, the rebel is made to bow, the opposition is left with no option but to boo.
A sham. A show. A parody of democracy.
The DNC rigs the race, the rebel is made to bow, the opposition is left with no option but to boo.
A sham. A show. A parody of democracy.
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If it’s true that politics means compromise, then what should democracy mean? Does it mean unity or “a tolerance of dissenting views, willingness to compromise, and the eternal search for common ground”? Or does it mean all of the above?
From a scholastic viewpoint of the establishment, neither politics nor democracy has anything to do with who we are and what we do for a living; it has everything to do with what you have been told ad nausea to obey law and order. You will be rewarded handsomely by doing so otherwise at your own risk.
Politics and democracy are only formal, indirect, fictitious, and some bravado rules powers-that-be allow and induce the hoi polloi to follow and no question needed to be asked. They are fictitious because they are losing contact with reality – the social-class-bound society in which capital reigns supreme.
The real politics and democracy that made contact with reality have to fling out those pompous delineations and embrace whole heartedly an opportunity to come to gripes with the sovereignty of people. Only when the people reign over the state political power, democracy of, by and for people can be made complete through a radical transformation i.e. a democratic revolution. Thus, a lot of problems have to be grappled with.
The quadrennial electoral extravaganza is only a part of the process of struggle and it never should be misconstrued as its totality. In off-years, movements like Occupy Wall Street will be just as important.
From a scholastic viewpoint of the establishment, neither politics nor democracy has anything to do with who we are and what we do for a living; it has everything to do with what you have been told ad nausea to obey law and order. You will be rewarded handsomely by doing so otherwise at your own risk.
Politics and democracy are only formal, indirect, fictitious, and some bravado rules powers-that-be allow and induce the hoi polloi to follow and no question needed to be asked. They are fictitious because they are losing contact with reality – the social-class-bound society in which capital reigns supreme.
The real politics and democracy that made contact with reality have to fling out those pompous delineations and embrace whole heartedly an opportunity to come to gripes with the sovereignty of people. Only when the people reign over the state political power, democracy of, by and for people can be made complete through a radical transformation i.e. a democratic revolution. Thus, a lot of problems have to be grappled with.
The quadrennial electoral extravaganza is only a part of the process of struggle and it never should be misconstrued as its totality. In off-years, movements like Occupy Wall Street will be just as important.
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The quadrennial electoral extravaganza: That money that is spent on promoting a candidate and on extravaganza could be much better spent on solving the national debt (which the republicans rail about all the time). I imagine all the money that will be spent this season could pay off the national debt and have enough left over for national health care for all.
Sad commentary on the system.
Sad commentary on the system.
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Bernie has come out of this convention as a winner, of sorts. He has earned the respect of all democrats and has likely made himself a political force and much more powerful in the Senate than he has ever been before. I hope he is effective in implementing the Democratic Platform in the Congress and that he has many allies there.
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It seems clear that some Berniacs completely failed to understand the man they idolize. A man of his word who, after maddeningly taking his time to throw his support behind Hillary, finally said that "he was with her" and promised to work hard to ensure that she and not Trump is elected president. True to his word, Bernie has delivered. There is no evidence watching him at the DNC these couple of days that he is forcing himself to support Hillary. He is genuine and that is precisely one of the qualities that endeared him to his supporters. That a minority but highly vocal among them booed him for being the honorable man that they apparently still worship is cognitive dissonance that reveals them as opportunists, who joined the "revolution" for their own reasons that had nothing to do with elevating the quality of life and discourse in this country, if they are willing to take the chance, by their behavior, to get Trump elected. It is not even clear that they realize the catastrophe that they might bring upon the nation if, like Naderites in 2000, they throw the election to Trump -- except that Trump's America will without any doubt make George W's seem like paradise...
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W. was elected or more properly stole the election because millions of misinformed and uneducated people voted for him, Nader not withstanding.
In NY it makes no difference if Sanders' backers are for or against Clinton. In Ohio and other battlegrounds it does. Clintonites should not be so smug and think that they will vote for her as the lesser of two evils. Neither Trump nor Clinton are getting this Ohio vote. I'll vote for Jill Stein. Clinton's penchant for regime change and a nuclear showdown with Russia are frightening.
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@Joseph Fusco says, likely with a straight face: "I'll vote for Jill Stein. Clinton's penchant for regime change and a nuclear showdown with Russia are frightening."
You paranoia about Hillary and your demonstrably unhinged view that she and Trump are equally bad notwithstanding, if you plan to vote for Jill Stein you might as well just vote for Trump because it's the same thing.
You paranoia about Hillary and your demonstrably unhinged view that she and Trump are equally bad notwithstanding, if you plan to vote for Jill Stein you might as well just vote for Trump because it's the same thing.
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Trump is a flim-flam artist selling fear and anxiety. Unfortunately the 62% of American households who would have to sell something or go into debt for a $500 emergency, have lives filled with fear and anxiety. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/01/07/60-percent-of-americans-cant-cover-unexpe...
Hillary is a flim-flam artist selling false hope and identity politics, basically the same as Obama. For all Obama's good points, things really didn't improve for that 62% during his tenure. Bronze policies have proven to be less a blessing than a curse. We are currently bombing 7 different countries; it is the son's of daughters of the 62% doing the fighting and dying.
The 62% know that both Clinton and Trump are just hucksters for the 1%. Coke or Pepsi, take your pick. Either way the lot of the 62% is unlikely to improve.
The 62% can feel the fear and anxiety in their every day lives as they wait for the jobs to be off-shored. They no longer believe in trickle down hopes after 8 years of platitudes and decline.
That is your electorate and that is why Trump's message resonates and why most people don't believe Hillary.
That is what American Democracy looks like in 2016.
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Hillary is a flim-flam artist selling false hope and identity politics, basically the same as Obama. For all Obama's good points, things really didn't improve for that 62% during his tenure. Bronze policies have proven to be less a blessing than a curse. We are currently bombing 7 different countries; it is the son's of daughters of the 62% doing the fighting and dying.
The 62% know that both Clinton and Trump are just hucksters for the 1%. Coke or Pepsi, take your pick. Either way the lot of the 62% is unlikely to improve.
The 62% can feel the fear and anxiety in their every day lives as they wait for the jobs to be off-shored. They no longer believe in trickle down hopes after 8 years of platitudes and decline.
That is your electorate and that is why Trump's message resonates and why most people don't believe Hillary.
That is what American Democracy looks like in 2016.
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What happens to politicians who tell the truth? In general, they lose. So of course they fudge, they dissemble, they outright lie. We won't have better better politicians until we have better voters. The public wants to be told that they're helpless victims, that all of their problems are the fault of illegal immigrants, terrorists, welfare mothers, [fill in the blank]. As long as there's a ready scapegoat, people like Donald Trump will thrive. It just takes too much skill and effort for the average voter to think critically. I firmly believe that in a democracy we get the government we deserve.
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The Democrats are at risk of having a minority use the very power
democracy is known for-the noisy voices of individuals in a minority being heard and often listened to even when they represent a minority invisibly tiny and shrinking. The Media were drunk on watching the GOP commit hara kiri; why not get footage of the Democrats, too?- Media have pushed and offered time and exposure to anyone willing to make spectacles and show it on TV as though minorities were representative of far more power than the ordinary party, by dint of noise. TV and News don't make dough reporting on planes that don't crash. So only the wildest people who play at being the most severely abused by the big ultimately evil system, get coverage by creating the appearance they are being enforced into unwilling silence, beaten down, tricked and abused by a corrupt criminal bunch who are, actually in the end, merely exercising their own democratic rights.
Any system that calls for each to have a voice, cannot be perfectly in sync and always in tune. This is why Russki hackers and Chinese hate us so desperately-we draw more of their people then their own systems. Our media , however, makes its bread and butter by showing democracy always at it's worst and insinuating that it IS as tainted, greedy manurelike as the Russkis say-and should be investigated by federal authorities.
Where is the story, in a non train wreck-non plane crash?
democracy is known for-the noisy voices of individuals in a minority being heard and often listened to even when they represent a minority invisibly tiny and shrinking. The Media were drunk on watching the GOP commit hara kiri; why not get footage of the Democrats, too?- Media have pushed and offered time and exposure to anyone willing to make spectacles and show it on TV as though minorities were representative of far more power than the ordinary party, by dint of noise. TV and News don't make dough reporting on planes that don't crash. So only the wildest people who play at being the most severely abused by the big ultimately evil system, get coverage by creating the appearance they are being enforced into unwilling silence, beaten down, tricked and abused by a corrupt criminal bunch who are, actually in the end, merely exercising their own democratic rights.
Any system that calls for each to have a voice, cannot be perfectly in sync and always in tune. This is why Russki hackers and Chinese hate us so desperately-we draw more of their people then their own systems. Our media , however, makes its bread and butter by showing democracy always at it's worst and insinuating that it IS as tainted, greedy manurelike as the Russkis say-and should be investigated by federal authorities.
Where is the story, in a non train wreck-non plane crash?
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The Republican convention came down to Trump's speech and in that talk he gave one of the darkest most foreboding visions of what America was to him and frankly I just can't believe anyone who was on the fence about him came away from that speech with a "warm and fuzzy" feeling for Mr. Trump.
As I listened to "the Donald" if I closed my eyes I could swear I was listening to Richard Nixon but my memory of Nixon was even he was not as gloom and doom as Mr. Trump was in his acceptance speech which is saying something as Mr. Nixon may have been the most paranoid individual ever to serve as President.
Now we get to the Democrats, First thing I see is all kinds of folks in the hall not just middle aged white dudes.
I see some division in the hall but nothing near what happened in Cleveland.
I saw the First Lady simply "knock it out of the park" with her speech.
I watched Bill Clinton tonight be all that is Bill Clinton - you can love him or hate him or feel somewhere in between about Pres Clinton but "imho" bar none best politician since FDR.
There seems to be "energy" in the hall for the Dems, folks are arguing but most seem united behind their nominee.
It will be a tough hard fought and as many have said it most likely will be the nastiest Presidential campaign ever held in this great country.
I have hope that America will do the right thing and say no to Mr. Trump.
I'm proud also that my country is on the verge of electing the first woman as POTUS.
As I listened to "the Donald" if I closed my eyes I could swear I was listening to Richard Nixon but my memory of Nixon was even he was not as gloom and doom as Mr. Trump was in his acceptance speech which is saying something as Mr. Nixon may have been the most paranoid individual ever to serve as President.
Now we get to the Democrats, First thing I see is all kinds of folks in the hall not just middle aged white dudes.
I see some division in the hall but nothing near what happened in Cleveland.
I saw the First Lady simply "knock it out of the park" with her speech.
I watched Bill Clinton tonight be all that is Bill Clinton - you can love him or hate him or feel somewhere in between about Pres Clinton but "imho" bar none best politician since FDR.
There seems to be "energy" in the hall for the Dems, folks are arguing but most seem united behind their nominee.
It will be a tough hard fought and as many have said it most likely will be the nastiest Presidential campaign ever held in this great country.
I have hope that America will do the right thing and say no to Mr. Trump.
I'm proud also that my country is on the verge of electing the first woman as POTUS.
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I did not know that democracy was about agreeing even when you disagree. I did not know it was about lying to make voters believe there is only one possible answer to all their questions. In my opinion, that's rank stupidity.
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Democracvy is not about agreeing even when you disagree. It is about disagreeing without demonizing the disagreeers--without being disagreeable (i.e. able to disagree). It is about deailing with disagreements civilly and about working together even with those with whom you disagree (which is, when you think about it, nearly everybody, nearly all the time) to accomplish goals that you can agree on (which is, in my experience, what distinguishes Democrats and Republicans).
And democracy is about being willing to lose, about being willing to say (perhaps through gritted teeth, but still) "George W. Bush is my president" (which most Democrats did) or "Barack Obama is my president" (which far, far too mnay Republicans never did).
I'm not lecturing Bernie supporters: I too voted for him in my primary. These ideas apply to the Democratic nominating process in 2016, but not in simple ways.
And democracy is about being willing to lose, about being willing to say (perhaps through gritted teeth, but still) "George W. Bush is my president" (which most Democrats did) or "Barack Obama is my president" (which far, far too mnay Republicans never did).
I'm not lecturing Bernie supporters: I too voted for him in my primary. These ideas apply to the Democratic nominating process in 2016, but not in simple ways.
It's clear from the way in which they behave that a large portion of the Sanders camp are newcomers to the political process. Sanders himself only became a democrat recently. Hillary one this fair and square. Even without the alleged DNC meddling of Wasserman and crew she would have prevailed.
In a "functioning democracy" the candidate with the most votes wins. If Sanders supporters can't wrap their heads around that concept and get behind Hillary, then they should move over to the other party which has molded denial, irrationality and paranoia into a new political paradigm for governing.
In a "functioning democracy" the candidate with the most votes wins. If Sanders supporters can't wrap their heads around that concept and get behind Hillary, then they should move over to the other party which has molded denial, irrationality and paranoia into a new political paradigm for governing.
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Yes Joey, we all appreciate a functioning democracy. But was the democratic primaries really democratically well-functioning processes. Many will argue that there were many apparent biases: not just those at the DNC level, but down the chain to the state level. Here one recounts the Nevada fiasco. What a great and sterling leadership role by the Democratic State Chair! Not the best example of disinterested leadership only to be complimented by the visiting Senator from neighboring California. What did they hear from HQ DNC in DC?
What about inaccurate voting lists in New York, electronic counting machines in California, etc.?
Squeaky clean and functioning democracy, possibly, but alas many Trump and Bernie followers might suggest another word: "rigged".
What about inaccurate voting lists in New York, electronic counting machines in California, etc.?
Squeaky clean and functioning democracy, possibly, but alas many Trump and Bernie followers might suggest another word: "rigged".
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Scripted infomercials give only the illusion of democracy.
There is freedom of speech and the freedom to protest, but very few surprises. Few things matter at these conventions.
Democracy transpires in the voting booth.
There is freedom of speech and the freedom to protest, but very few surprises. Few things matter at these conventions.
Democracy transpires in the voting booth.
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Of all things, I'm finding this Democratic Convention inspiring. This is what democracy should look like, not an orderly gathering of sheep. Thank you to the Bernie supporters who showed up with masking tape across their mouths, and to those who booed Debbie Wasserman Schulz, symbol of the DNC's undemocratic ways. Their contribution was not just dissension. They modeled for us what it looks like to care and be responsible, to show up and speak out. Democracy needs that, and it also needs the willingness to work together, to look past imperfections and disagreements. Sen. Sanders ended his courageous and principled campaign by asking that Hillary Clinton be nominated by acclamation. If the rest of us can follow suit and make sure she gets elected, maybe this country is in better shape than I thought.
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Agreed. But then the Bernie supporters, having made their point, need to show that we haven't over-estimated their intelligence by uniting against Trump.
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Showing up with masking tape on the mouths.......yes, so adult.
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Democracy also means not going home when you've lost.
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Bravos, Senator Sanders. Through his campaign, he has moved the directions of the party for the better. Today, he has the grace to move for the final nomination of Secretary Clinton for the Presidency. Senator Sanders demonstrates well how one fights for justice without hatred for his opponents. He shows that unity for the good of the country is more important than his personal ambitions. While blind faith, racism, and authoritarianism are on the rise everywhere in the world, it is not clear that good men and women will turn this dangerous tide in the short run. Win or lose, Senator Sanders makes me proud to be in this fight.
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I am happy for the women in my life, like my mom and niece and so on, because I see how excited they are about a female president. They have waited a long time and it is about time.
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I don't understand the Democratic and Republican parties' emphasis on "uniting behind the candidate." This is a democracy, we don't need everyone to agree; we can disagree and still work together and be constructive. (We should aspire to that, at least.) I found the call for the Republicans to unite around Trump repugnant -- it smacks of party over country -- and I don't like it any better hearing it from the Democrats.
I will vote for Hillary, but not out of some blind sense of party fealty, like I need "my team" to win. I will vote for her because I think she's the better candidate, flaws and all. Let's press Clinton and Trump to make the case for being the better candidate, not the party candidate.
I will vote for Hillary, but not out of some blind sense of party fealty, like I need "my team" to win. I will vote for her because I think she's the better candidate, flaws and all. Let's press Clinton and Trump to make the case for being the better candidate, not the party candidate.
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Vote for Hillary because she has done the important job women do, year after year, day after day, to make the lives of those around them better. The icing on the cake (and the saving of the union) is that she'll be defeating Trump.
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The problem with the conclusion of the editorial that the Republican Convention was a debacle and the Democratic Convention a messy success is that Donald trump experienced a 10 point bounce in a poll of actual registered voters and it is clear that the mess will result in Sanders supporters going off the res. History is clear (1968, 1980) that the disunity very much in evidence this week will work against the election of Mrs. Clinton. No one will ever find out but I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the voting booth when Debby Wasserman-Schultz pulls the lever in November.
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been assured of a juicy, high paying position in a Hillary cabinet -- should Hillary actually get elected. Even if not, Wasserman Schultz will be a power broker in the Party for a LONG time into the future.
After all, she got Crooked Hillary nominated! she "won"!
After all, she got Crooked Hillary nominated! she "won"!
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2 things,
When has a convention bounce ever been more then a momentary bounce?
In what world is the visible disunity as the Dems slowly patch things up a worse situation then the Republicans growing further apart as the convention went on, even with half the party refusing to show up?
When has a convention bounce ever been more then a momentary bounce?
In what world is the visible disunity as the Dems slowly patch things up a worse situation then the Republicans growing further apart as the convention went on, even with half the party refusing to show up?
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To concerned citizen: Everything you said concerning DWS is correct. She will get compensation, win or lose, from Hillary for her services but, like with Loretta Lynch, any aspirations for higher office or a place in a Hillary administration are gone forever.
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It is Donald Trump. He made me vote for Hillary Clinton in the coming November election. But not for the sake of Clinton.
I am a Bernie Sanders supporter for his political agenda for the fairness of the disadvantaged and for the essence of the government of the people, for the people and by the people.
Both established Republicans and Democrats are corrupted. Supper delegates should have no place in the modern democratic system. It has made the primary unfair and can be manipulated by the established. The DNC scandal is one of the infamous example.
The DNC has to change. Otherwise it will see a trove of supporters leaving the party.
For one if no changes happen after the November election I shall not vote for Democrats for a long time until the super delegate system disappeared and the scandal properly addressed at the DNC.
I am a Bernie Sanders supporter for his political agenda for the fairness of the disadvantaged and for the essence of the government of the people, for the people and by the people.
Both established Republicans and Democrats are corrupted. Supper delegates should have no place in the modern democratic system. It has made the primary unfair and can be manipulated by the established. The DNC scandal is one of the infamous example.
The DNC has to change. Otherwise it will see a trove of supporters leaving the party.
For one if no changes happen after the November election I shall not vote for Democrats for a long time until the super delegate system disappeared and the scandal properly addressed at the DNC.
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Why is Russia mentioned in this American State of Affairs?
So the supreme rulers demand that the foolish surfs pipe down if they know whats good for them? Accept corruption because it's better than the alternative? Vote for Hillary, cast aside convictions, and stop being "ridiculous?" Well now, isn't that smart. If it takes the election of Donald Trump to shake up the power system, than so be it...Never Hillary!
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Ahh Such eloquence and real denial of the scenario presented by the Party of Mr. Donald Trump. The Democrats have truly shown that they can rise above the cries for divisions to appease the factions. The attempts at "Divide and Conquer" have failed, long may the union flourish.
Across the globe, Mr. Rupert Murdoch has used that formula to gain media power with the ability to change and even make the agenda, culminating in Faux not reporting the news but making it. Co-opting the greed of the GOP for power, the GOP and Faux made an unholy marriage under the guidance of one Mr. Roger Ailes, and the rest is just a sordid history that is finally becoming unraveled. White men were played in this scheme as losing out on the control of their country. Blacks were made party by the Faux network always bidding whatever it took to get the right sports events for the area that Faux was targeting.
Now, in the rise of the equality & justice for women & minorities, the Faux house is under siege and the king fish has been fired. The portents for a complete upheaval seem ever closer. With this continued unity, the Dems seem sure to recapture the Senate. With but small grace, the House too could be in play. With any modicum of success for a HRC admin, the 2020 election should sound the death knell on the House of Trump/GOP as the censors and a new SCOTUS say that all the people of the US must be fairly represented. It may be the Robert's house but it will have a Dems all people agenda.
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Across the globe, Mr. Rupert Murdoch has used that formula to gain media power with the ability to change and even make the agenda, culminating in Faux not reporting the news but making it. Co-opting the greed of the GOP for power, the GOP and Faux made an unholy marriage under the guidance of one Mr. Roger Ailes, and the rest is just a sordid history that is finally becoming unraveled. White men were played in this scheme as losing out on the control of their country. Blacks were made party by the Faux network always bidding whatever it took to get the right sports events for the area that Faux was targeting.
Now, in the rise of the equality & justice for women & minorities, the Faux house is under siege and the king fish has been fired. The portents for a complete upheaval seem ever closer. With this continued unity, the Dems seem sure to recapture the Senate. With but small grace, the House too could be in play. With any modicum of success for a HRC admin, the 2020 election should sound the death knell on the House of Trump/GOP as the censors and a new SCOTUS say that all the people of the US must be fairly represented. It may be the Robert's house but it will have a Dems all people agenda.
Peace
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Senator Sanders showed his supporters why they were right to place such belief in him by the example he gave them of grace and strategic positive good. Personally, I don't think he ever wanted to do this job, once he realized it could be his he was excited by the good he believes he could do. But, the job? Nah.
Moving universal health care, free education for those who can't otherwise afford it, and a fairer economy? Those are Sanders' priorities and they're much more leveraged and possible now.
Senator Sanders has seen some pretty jaw dropping things on the way to the altar - sharp elbows and politics on the caucus and precinct level are no strangers to him. But, the hair raising racism and brutality combined with immorality on the Republican side has put a whole different perspective on the existential stakes for America in this election.
Moving universal health care, free education for those who can't otherwise afford it, and a fairer economy? Those are Sanders' priorities and they're much more leveraged and possible now.
Senator Sanders has seen some pretty jaw dropping things on the way to the altar - sharp elbows and politics on the caucus and precinct level are no strangers to him. But, the hair raising racism and brutality combined with immorality on the Republican side has put a whole different perspective on the existential stakes for America in this election.
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"the hair raising racism and brutality combined with immorality on the Republican side has put a whole different perspective on the existential stakes for America in this election."
And about our Democratic party, you say?
You are whistling past the graveyard; look down, around and at your own hands.
Leaked emails, religious intolerance, deceit, theft of public office, theft of votes, manipulation of the truth, idolatry of a Clinton.
And about our Democratic party, you say?
You are whistling past the graveyard; look down, around and at your own hands.
Leaked emails, religious intolerance, deceit, theft of public office, theft of votes, manipulation of the truth, idolatry of a Clinton.
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Hillary Clinton's patience, aplomb, and success in persuading Bernie Sanders and most of his supporters to unite behind the ticket not only stands in stark contrast to Donald Trump's continued feuding with his Republican opponents, but also shows why she has the best chance of getting anything done in the White House. Now that Mrs. Clinton has officially secured the nomination, all Democrats need to work hard to ensure that she can put her skills to work.
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American voters will decide who will speak for and lead them. What followers do matters.
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Well, Barack Obama rewarded Hillary handsomely by appointing her Secretary of State.
Let's see what reward, if any, Hillary allots to Bernie should she become President.
Let's see what reward, if any, Hillary allots to Bernie should she become President.
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Hill has as much as thumbed her nose at us. Hired Debbie (who was already in her employ) the moment she resigned as chair. None of the Bernie supporters expect her to adopt our goals once in office. My hope is that an independent progressive party will rise from this movement, so we can have a clean primary, As much as Bernie has done to excite voters, Hillary has shown them that it is a rigged system that only works for money and the 1%.
The Democratic National Convention offers a reassuring vision that democracy still works in America. The diversity of the convention, the many cameo appearances of Americans from different backgrounds and experiences, the enthusiasm, and the sense of history all represent the true United States of America, unlike the dystopian and narcissistic caricature that we saw on view last week.
This convention so far has genuine smiles, tears, voices, and hopes, as well as reminders that this is a great country, that its citizens are its wealth, and that contributing to the common good is a shared goal rather than fool's gold. Last week was some kind of bizarre nightmare that was a reminder about lynch mobs, hate, skewed vision, and voices that condemn, mock, rant, and always the theme of hate and anger.
I am so glad that I am a Democrat. Once again I was proud of my party, its candidates, and its promises for the future.
This convention so far has genuine smiles, tears, voices, and hopes, as well as reminders that this is a great country, that its citizens are its wealth, and that contributing to the common good is a shared goal rather than fool's gold. Last week was some kind of bizarre nightmare that was a reminder about lynch mobs, hate, skewed vision, and voices that condemn, mock, rant, and always the theme of hate and anger.
I am so glad that I am a Democrat. Once again I was proud of my party, its candidates, and its promises for the future.
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I'm a long time Democrat and I wish I could share your enthusiasm. When it comes to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, you just can't beat Democrats. I just wish that they had found a better candidate.
Still and all, I can't believe that voters will elect Trump. When Clinton is elected it will be cold comfort.
Still and all, I can't believe that voters will elect Trump. When Clinton is elected it will be cold comfort.
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If the DNC had been neutral, and if the Democratic party had been democratic enough to have no super-delegates, Sanders would have won the nomination and our chances of winning in November would now be greater because he is the better candidate. Now we must hope that a person chosen by the DNC but not by the people can beat a man whose natural political ability is extraordinary.
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The Clintons had been quietly buying the state Democratic party loyalties over years and years http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-leak-clinton-team-deflected-st...
Not to mention the Clinton Foundation's receiving of donations from the wealthy, all over the world and its conflict of interest making deals while Mrs Clinton was SoS.
These will all be considered business as usual, here in America. Where taking in money and funds from the wealthy is normal, not labeled "corruption" as in third world countries. We are all complicit because we allow and permit this to happen, with our blessings.
Not to mention the Clinton Foundation's receiving of donations from the wealthy, all over the world and its conflict of interest making deals while Mrs Clinton was SoS.
These will all be considered business as usual, here in America. Where taking in money and funds from the wealthy is normal, not labeled "corruption" as in third world countries. We are all complicit because we allow and permit this to happen, with our blessings.
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And you know this because? Because polls show, in a generic matchup, that Sanders would beat Trump? How well would Bernie stand up against the Trump/GOP machine? Hillary Clinton's been taking punches, even outright body slams, for over 20 years, and she's still standing. I have no reason to believe that Bernie would survive the meat grinder that is a presidential campaign. And as for the DNC "choosing" Hillary Clinton, that's a falsehood. Actually, it was several million primary voters. Typical Bernista condescension: if Democratic voters knew better, they would have voted for my guy. And beyond condescension: there's more than a hint of white privilege in the Sanders camp, not to mention sexism. Clinton's votes came disproportionally from people of color. Parse that, progressives!
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It's not too hard to understand what happened in the Democratic Party this year. The party's establishment prevailed because its chosen candidate got support from the key sectors that have done reasonably well over the last 30-40 years. These include African Americans, Hispanics, immigrants, well educated white people, Hollywood, Wall Street bankers, defense contractors, college administrators and corporations that benefit from "free" trade.
But it was challenged by a candidate representing those sectors who haven't done so well over that time, thanks in significant part to neglect by the Democratic establishment. These include white working class people who've seen their incomes stagnate or decline and their unions decimated, minimum wage workers, young people borrowing to keep up with the rising cost of getting into a shrinking middle class by going to college, older people who keep hearing bipartisan discussions centered around how much to cut Social Security and Medicare, liberals who have watched their party moving to the right, not to mention bi-partisan support for war after war after war, parents who have reason to expect that their children will do worse than they have and young people who keep hearing about global warming but see no meaningful action to change the future they will have to live in.
The party establishment may have won this year, but it must stop neglecting these groups if it wants to stay relevant. I hope they are getting a real scare this year.
But it was challenged by a candidate representing those sectors who haven't done so well over that time, thanks in significant part to neglect by the Democratic establishment. These include white working class people who've seen their incomes stagnate or decline and their unions decimated, minimum wage workers, young people borrowing to keep up with the rising cost of getting into a shrinking middle class by going to college, older people who keep hearing bipartisan discussions centered around how much to cut Social Security and Medicare, liberals who have watched their party moving to the right, not to mention bi-partisan support for war after war after war, parents who have reason to expect that their children will do worse than they have and young people who keep hearing about global warming but see no meaningful action to change the future they will have to live in.
The party establishment may have won this year, but it must stop neglecting these groups if it wants to stay relevant. I hope they are getting a real scare this year.
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Democracy really, delegates, super delegates, electoral college, two-party-winner-take-all-lesser-of-two-evils system, have to be registered in the party that controls your district in order to vote in the primary just to see the party manipulate everything. Really this is your idea of Democracy, I call it 'the soft bigotry of low expectation.'
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Bernie Sanders was wonderful on Monday night, and his call for unity will go a long way towards reconciling his followers. He was a class act, telling Americans to put divisiveness behind them--and vote for Hillary Clinton.
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Mr. Sanders and Ms. Clinton disagreed on a host of issues within a narrow margin of normal debate. Intelligent, thoughtful people can look at the same situation and have different ideas without it meaning either of them are bad, stupid or wrong. I was for Ms. Clinton, but would have been happy to vote for Mr. Sanders if he had won. Mr. Trump is no way even in the same league as the Democratic candidates. He is in his own universe - spewing hate, vitriol and total nonsense and standing for nothing but personal gain. Everything that comes out of his mouth should be cause for tremendous concern for any Democrat. And if that still doesn't get you or you think he's doesn't mean it -then look at his supreme court nominee list - he means that - and if you are a Democrat then you know a Trump court will not support anything you value.
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As a student of American History and Political Science i cannot deny the historical reality that the headline reflects, as political shennanigans have a long history in our "democratic" nation. However, this does justify ANY acceptance of the present state of our political system, nor the responsibility of any truthful citizen to acknowledge the horrific crimes of Hillary Clinton, and the low ways in which she has gained her position at the expense of fellow americans...the recognition of historical facts does not release people from responsibility to the truth.
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Time to go high and elect Hillary a President and then work together to make Bernie and our dream come true.
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Yes, this is what democracy looks like. The RNC is what democracy looks like as well. Messy and flawed, yet hopeful despite everything - like we are.
The tone of the hallowed editorial board, gushing in desperate hope to paint this as the coming true of all our idealistic dreams least the Trump will be seen as legit is still funny.
The tone of the hallowed editorial board, gushing in desperate hope to paint this as the coming true of all our idealistic dreams least the Trump will be seen as legit is still funny.
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It seems there are three choice this election. One is Trump / Putin. One is Clinton / Kaine.
And one is Sanders / Nader.
And one is Sanders / Nader.
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Ah, yes. Mr. Nader. I remember him well, as I remember that day in December 2000 when the Supreme Court gave the presidency to George W. Bush, whom I think of every time I see reports of the latest atrocities in Iraq and Syria.
Ah, yes, Mr. Nader, who believed that the Democratic Party was too far to the right for his tastes, who attacked Al Gore on ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, who admitted he wanted to take votes away from Gore ("Isn't that what candidates try to do to one another--take votes?").
Ah, yes, Mr. Nader, who said, "Al Gore thinks we're supposed to be helping him get elected. I've got news for Al Gore: If he can't beat the bumbling Texas governor with that terrible record, he ought to go back to Tennessee."
I will remember Mr. Nader when I vote for Hillary Clinton and all Democrats in November (while hoping my vote will count for something since the Republicans have my state so gerrymandered that a majority vote means little.)
Ah, yes, I remember Mr. Nader. I wonder what 2016 would look like IF Mr. Nader had not been a candidate in 2000, had not attempted to poison minds against Gore, had not taken votes away from him.
Ah, yes, Mr. Nader, who believed that the Democratic Party was too far to the right for his tastes, who attacked Al Gore on ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, who admitted he wanted to take votes away from Gore ("Isn't that what candidates try to do to one another--take votes?").
Ah, yes, Mr. Nader, who said, "Al Gore thinks we're supposed to be helping him get elected. I've got news for Al Gore: If he can't beat the bumbling Texas governor with that terrible record, he ought to go back to Tennessee."
I will remember Mr. Nader when I vote for Hillary Clinton and all Democrats in November (while hoping my vote will count for something since the Republicans have my state so gerrymandered that a majority vote means little.)
Ah, yes, I remember Mr. Nader. I wonder what 2016 would look like IF Mr. Nader had not been a candidate in 2000, had not attempted to poison minds against Gore, had not taken votes away from him.
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I am an ardent, emphatic and irate supporter of Bernie Sanders.
I was ready to vote for Hillary Clinton because I despise Donald Trump.
However, Clinton's minions in the media (The establishment media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Clinton campaign) make me incensed.
On MSNBC, a noted commentator, Rachel Madow, said that Bernie supporters are being ridiculous for complaining about Clinton's stance on TPP. She said that Clinton came out against TPP. Of course, people who follow the news closely, and read more than the headlines of the Times, know the truth:
1) First, Hillary supported TPP (essentially a miserable trade deal that would force American workers to compete against Vietnamese workers who make 35 cents an hour), calling it the gold standard of trade agreements.
2) After Bernie's rise in the early primaries, she decided to oppose TPP.
3) Then, during the debates and votes on the party's platform, Hillary CHANGED HER POSITION AGAIN, as her delegates defeated the motion, of Sanders' delegates, to denounce TPP.
Her infidelity is limitless.
Of course, Rachel Maddow didn't refer to item 3, above. And the dumb American public is deceived, as usual.
What a hideous election is upon us: We can vote for A) A borderline psychotic who knows not a whit about governing and has made his money by scamming and stealing or B) a woman who lies just as much, who claims to be progressive but does the bidding of the wall street elites.
I was ready to vote for Hillary Clinton because I despise Donald Trump.
However, Clinton's minions in the media (The establishment media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Clinton campaign) make me incensed.
On MSNBC, a noted commentator, Rachel Madow, said that Bernie supporters are being ridiculous for complaining about Clinton's stance on TPP. She said that Clinton came out against TPP. Of course, people who follow the news closely, and read more than the headlines of the Times, know the truth:
1) First, Hillary supported TPP (essentially a miserable trade deal that would force American workers to compete against Vietnamese workers who make 35 cents an hour), calling it the gold standard of trade agreements.
2) After Bernie's rise in the early primaries, she decided to oppose TPP.
3) Then, during the debates and votes on the party's platform, Hillary CHANGED HER POSITION AGAIN, as her delegates defeated the motion, of Sanders' delegates, to denounce TPP.
Her infidelity is limitless.
Of course, Rachel Maddow didn't refer to item 3, above. And the dumb American public is deceived, as usual.
What a hideous election is upon us: We can vote for A) A borderline psychotic who knows not a whit about governing and has made his money by scamming and stealing or B) a woman who lies just as much, who claims to be progressive but does the bidding of the wall street elites.
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If you vote for HIllary, you are in effect voting for the TPP and TTIP -- she will sign them the first month in office. I absolutely can promise you this.
She only backed off the TPP to try and win votes away from Sander's supporters. Oh and ditto on the $15 an hour wage -- she will won't keep to that promise either.
But the TPP is an absolute sure thing if you elect Hillary. And the TPP is NAFTA on steroids (and whose husband signed NAFTA????)
She only backed off the TPP to try and win votes away from Sander's supporters. Oh and ditto on the $15 an hour wage -- she will won't keep to that promise either.
But the TPP is an absolute sure thing if you elect Hillary. And the TPP is NAFTA on steroids (and whose husband signed NAFTA????)
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The presidential election of 2016 in America will be studied for a long time as the quintessential paradigm of the Hobson's choice.
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Her backing, if not active collusion, of the military coup against a democratic regime in Honduras and the subsequent and continuing bloodbath are reason alone to never vote for Clinton. But there are lots of others. Her enthusiasm for a nuclear showdown with Russia is a good one. Jill Stein 2016!
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This may be what democracy looks like. However, thanks to Wikileaks, we also know what the inner-workings of the Democratic Party look like: anti-semitism, racial insensitivity and homophobic comments. No thanks...
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I'm sure the RNC e-mails are pristine.
You are letting a hand picked selection of e-mails alter your opinion. That's called being manipulated.
Don't be manipulated.
You are letting a hand picked selection of e-mails alter your opinion. That's called being manipulated.
Don't be manipulated.
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No this is not democracy. In my mind democracy, is a gathering of citizens reaching a just concensus through a set of rules agreed by the participants in which rules are followed.
What we had at the DNC was akin to the NBA executive committee, telling the refs to favor the Cleveland Cavaliers over the Golden State Warriors. Now how would you feel if such an email was unmasked?
Secondly, I'm sure very few reading this column are actually registered Democrats. I haven't voted for a GOP candidate in thirty years. I wouldn't have been able to cast a vote in a closed primary. HRC winning by millions as you suggest only represents the party loyalist. I would prefer the option of choice.
What we had at the DNC was akin to the NBA executive committee, telling the refs to favor the Cleveland Cavaliers over the Golden State Warriors. Now how would you feel if such an email was unmasked?
Secondly, I'm sure very few reading this column are actually registered Democrats. I haven't voted for a GOP candidate in thirty years. I wouldn't have been able to cast a vote in a closed primary. HRC winning by millions as you suggest only represents the party loyalist. I would prefer the option of choice.
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What in God's name is your basis for being "sure very few reading this column are actually registered Democrats"?
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Have you seen all the e-mails or only the ones that have been cherry picked for your consumption ?
Don't be so sure the behavior that is so shocking to you didn't come from both sides.
This e-mail leak is intended to hurt the Democrats, why on Earth would you think that you've gotten the whole story ?
Don't be so sure the behavior that is so shocking to you didn't come from both sides.
This e-mail leak is intended to hurt the Democrats, why on Earth would you think that you've gotten the whole story ?
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lg - There's one more registered Dem out here than you might think; try being a registered Dem in a red state sometime to more fully understand the political compromises required in the editorial - then contemplate which red state yahoos could grab control of the nation's levers of power if purists who want to vote for Johnson or Stein ' vote their consciences ' instead of being realists.
Do you think 2-3 more Justices Roberts and Alito on a Citizens United SCOTUS for the next 30 years of your, your kids, and your grand-kids lives is something to be trifled with ?
Please read the platform again, contemplate a powerful Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren in Congress, and work to convince voters in Fla., Pa., Oh., Mich., and Wi. to vote Democratic :)
Do you think 2-3 more Justices Roberts and Alito on a Citizens United SCOTUS for the next 30 years of your, your kids, and your grand-kids lives is something to be trifled with ?
Please read the platform again, contemplate a powerful Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren in Congress, and work to convince voters in Fla., Pa., Oh., Mich., and Wi. to vote Democratic :)
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Bernie Sanders summed it up perfectly on Monday night: this campaign is not about him, or Mrs. Clinton, or any other politician per se, but it is about us and the issues we live with. Elections come and go, but we the citizens have to live with the subsequent political consequences. The Democratic party is coalescing around a platform which will maintain the gains of President Obama's leadership and look ahead.
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It isn't about fair play I guess. Sanders caved to who a woman who defies everything he believe in. The corrupt Democrats should their true colors.
This is spot on. The system worked. Time for the Democrats to stop snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and rally 'round the nominee, Secretary Hillary Clinton.
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Just because BERNIE is a class act, it doesn't mean HRC is. I'm SICK over her nomination...it should have been BERNIE and he would have defeated DRUMPF...unfortunately, the experts are saying that HRC will lose big time. Will have to leave the country. Disgusting
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Did you leave when Nixon was elected twice? or when Reagan was elected twice? or Bush 41? or Bush 43?
Come on -- a President is not a king or a dictator. And he or she only serves for 4 years and then you get another shot at electing someone you like better.
Imagine if everyone LEFT every time they lost an election! Is that really a mature, adult response? "I'm picking up my marbles and LEAVING if I don't get my way!"
Come on -- a President is not a king or a dictator. And he or she only serves for 4 years and then you get another shot at electing someone you like better.
Imagine if everyone LEFT every time they lost an election! Is that really a mature, adult response? "I'm picking up my marbles and LEAVING if I don't get my way!"
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Actually the experts who study state by state polls and demographics are predicting a Clinton victory.
One Gallup poll (known to lean to the right) of registered voters (forty-plus per cent of whom usually do not vote) instead of far more reliable likely voters showing a three-point Trump national lead in July immediately following his convention is hardly the end game.
Give it time. Vote. The disaster of a Trump Presidency is not assured.
One Gallup poll (known to lean to the right) of registered voters (forty-plus per cent of whom usually do not vote) instead of far more reliable likely voters showing a three-point Trump national lead in July immediately following his convention is hardly the end game.
Give it time. Vote. The disaster of a Trump Presidency is not assured.
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Hillary Clinton's hawkishness and willingness for foreign interventions is very worrisome, but the entirety of Republican world that comes with Donald Trump can no longer be tolerated, from neocon interventionism to corporate judiciary nominees. At least with Hillary we know we are going to get center right appointments, not the now standard far right nominees of the Gang Of Prevaricators.
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Nonsense. We are in the middle of a revolution. Clinton takes us for granted, thinking she can position her corporate agenda one millimeter to the left of Trump and win. This paper is completely out of touch with a lot of its readers and is cheerleading for her. I really don't care who is elected, I see little difference between the two. And I mean that. He's nuts, but she is a corporate tool. She is not a progressive or a liberal. Never Clinton.
Sanders is painted into a corner. But that will not stop the movement, it's bigger than any of us thought possible. It's bigger than Bernie. Someone will pick up the flag, I'm not sure about Warren, but we will find someone. Change is coming.
Sanders is painted into a corner. But that will not stop the movement, it's bigger than any of us thought possible. It's bigger than Bernie. Someone will pick up the flag, I'm not sure about Warren, but we will find someone. Change is coming.
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You'd better find some standard bearers younger than Sanders (74) or Warren (67) -- in 2020, they will be 78 and 71!
Anyone who can see no difference between Trump and Clinton is as wilfully blind and wilfully ignorant as he is.
Forty-three per cent of less than half of all voters is not a revolution quite yet. It is a noisy minority.
Forty-three per cent of less than half of all voters is not a revolution quite yet. It is a noisy minority.
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The Democratic Party has come together to defeat Trump. Good!
Sanders supporters ought to know that they fought the good fight like I and that voting for the lesser evil in November doesn't mean we can't hold Clinton feet to the fire for the greater good.
Protests are a part of democracy. It would have been great if the NYT were more balanced in its coverage of the DNC protests. Democracy is nothing without dissent.
Sanders supporters ought to know that they fought the good fight like I and that voting for the lesser evil in November doesn't mean we can't hold Clinton feet to the fire for the greater good.
Protests are a part of democracy. It would have been great if the NYT were more balanced in its coverage of the DNC protests. Democracy is nothing without dissent.
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I hope when you say "this is what democracy looks like" there is bitterness in your voice. Democracy shouldn't have to look like this. Meaning that we shouldn't feel compelled to form false coalitions, to fear "wasting" our vote on a long shot candidate, to support the lesser of two evils. That is NOT democracy, it is a wretched illusion of democracy, wrought by plurality voting and the two entrenched interests it keeps in power.
Get educated on ranked choice and approval voting. The path to true democracy lies there.
Get educated on ranked choice and approval voting. The path to true democracy lies there.
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Ranked voting is a cool idea.
Please name the 67 Senators and 304 House Members who will support a Constitutional Amendment to change US elections to ranked voting system.
Then please list the 38 state legislatures that will pass it.
Alternatively, please outline a plane for electing 67 Senators, 304 House Members and 38 state legislatures that will support it.
Or, name the majority of DNC members and state-by-state party members who would support it in the Democratic primaries.
Please name the 67 Senators and 304 House Members who will support a Constitutional Amendment to change US elections to ranked voting system.
Then please list the 38 state legislatures that will pass it.
Alternatively, please outline a plane for electing 67 Senators, 304 House Members and 38 state legislatures that will support it.
Or, name the majority of DNC members and state-by-state party members who would support it in the Democratic primaries.
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I am sitting here convincing my wife that this is Hillary's moment. We both were hard Bernie supporters, and I saw the writing on the wall long before today. But I had to reach in deep to convince her.
I told her, after watching the Benghazi hearing that the Republicans dragged her through, she's so well deserving of this nomination. She's got a spine made of titanium. All her life it seems she's had a target painterd on her. And every one beat up on her including myself, for her speeking fees. I was not a happy camper with how casually she dealt with her emails. But I have softened considerably on these matters, as I realize now, it's not easy to be in public eye, in public service this long, and not make some mistakes. I would have failed so terribly, with this much light shining down on me.
And once dear Bernie made the Democratic Platform swing his way and seemed content with the results of his revolution, I was persuaded.
And tonight, I think I might have convinced by wife to see her side.
I told her, after watching the Benghazi hearing that the Republicans dragged her through, she's so well deserving of this nomination. She's got a spine made of titanium. All her life it seems she's had a target painterd on her. And every one beat up on her including myself, for her speeking fees. I was not a happy camper with how casually she dealt with her emails. But I have softened considerably on these matters, as I realize now, it's not easy to be in public eye, in public service this long, and not make some mistakes. I would have failed so terribly, with this much light shining down on me.
And once dear Bernie made the Democratic Platform swing his way and seemed content with the results of his revolution, I was persuaded.
And tonight, I think I might have convinced by wife to see her side.
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And with Bernie still in the Senate along with other progressive folks, maybe your wife and the rest of us Bernie admirers will work to keep the political revolution going. Those principles need to influence legislative and executive decisions, reflecting what Bernie and the country really stand for.
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Pillai said: "And once dear Bernie made the Democratic Platform swing his way and seemed content with the results of his revolution, I was persuaded."
I agree with your points generally, but, as a Clinton supporter, I hope he isn't content with his "revolution" and steps up his involvement in getting downticket Democrats elected. That's where the real revolution needs to happen.
I agree with your points generally, but, as a Clinton supporter, I hope he isn't content with his "revolution" and steps up his involvement in getting downticket Democrats elected. That's where the real revolution needs to happen.
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Unfortunately, your wife has a better gras on reality than do you. I hope you don't have kids forHillary to send off to war.
Your editorial shows your deep animosity to the Republican ticket and your unbridled enthusiasm for Ms. Clinton who is likely to be a puppet on a string with Bill at the controls.
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I've already left the party last night to join the Green Party. #JillNotHill Jill Stein 2016. I burned my Democratic Party registration with an Operation Iraqi Freedom cigarette lighter.
"To this day we experience the repercussions of the poor decision by Hillary and the Republicans to invade Iraq. With an Operation Iraqi lighter I Bern my Democratic Party voter registration and leave for The Green Party. #DemExit Only announcing Bernie Sanders as the nominee would bring me back. We need a party that embraces progressives."
"To this day we experience the repercussions of the poor decision by Hillary and the Republicans to invade Iraq. With an Operation Iraqi lighter I Bern my Democratic Party voter registration and leave for The Green Party. #DemExit Only announcing Bernie Sanders as the nominee would bring me back. We need a party that embraces progressives."
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Bully for you, but 43% of the primary vote does not entitle one to the nomination.
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“[Bernie Sanders] was fervent in supporting Mrs. Clinton, and the party platform, which he had, through a vigorous campaign, bent toward his own vision of helping working people and the poor.”
But . . . if the TPP agreement is considered for up or down approval in the lame duck session, the cries of "Crooked Hillary" will be shouted by Democrat and Independent supporters of Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton was for TPP until it became politically expedient for her in the primaries to align herself with Bernie Sanders who was vehemently against TPP. By doing so, Hillary Clinton took TPP off the table as a substantive political issue for voters in all of the Democratic primaries.
Now, suddenly, after becoming the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party for president, Hillary Clinton directed her majority delegates on the Democratic Convention Platform Committee not to reject TPP outright. This sets up the prospect that if Hillary Clinton is elected President, the "free trade" Republican Congress and President Obama would approve the TPP agreement in the "lame duck" session between the November election and January 20, 2017 when she would take the oath of office. President-elect Hillary Clinton and Pulitzer Prize winning economist Paul Krugman (also, New York Times columnist and strong Hillary Clinton supporter) could not make any meaningful objection.
But . . . if the TPP agreement is considered for up or down approval in the lame duck session, the cries of "Crooked Hillary" will be shouted by Democrat and Independent supporters of Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton was for TPP until it became politically expedient for her in the primaries to align herself with Bernie Sanders who was vehemently against TPP. By doing so, Hillary Clinton took TPP off the table as a substantive political issue for voters in all of the Democratic primaries.
Now, suddenly, after becoming the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party for president, Hillary Clinton directed her majority delegates on the Democratic Convention Platform Committee not to reject TPP outright. This sets up the prospect that if Hillary Clinton is elected President, the "free trade" Republican Congress and President Obama would approve the TPP agreement in the "lame duck" session between the November election and January 20, 2017 when she would take the oath of office. President-elect Hillary Clinton and Pulitzer Prize winning economist Paul Krugman (also, New York Times columnist and strong Hillary Clinton supporter) could not make any meaningful objection.
They WILL approve it, if voters are foolish enough to elect Hillary and she WILL sign the TPP and TTIP within the first month of her term of office. It is Obama's signature legislation and part & parcel of the Democratic agenda.
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I don't want to hear about Bernie Sanders anymore.
We have followed him, praised him for his acclamation of Hillary's nomination, and we will continue to admire him. He is a special, very special man.
But now, it is time to move on. May we now ask the Times to carry on with the Hillary Clinton nomination, put the Sanders campaign behind us.
We have a lot to do in this country and for the press to hold us back from carrying on for Hillary Clinton and this country, by continuing the Bernie Sanders thing, is unfair and unnecessary.
Now, seriously, let's move on. Our country needs the press to let go.
We have followed him, praised him for his acclamation of Hillary's nomination, and we will continue to admire him. He is a special, very special man.
But now, it is time to move on. May we now ask the Times to carry on with the Hillary Clinton nomination, put the Sanders campaign behind us.
We have a lot to do in this country and for the press to hold us back from carrying on for Hillary Clinton and this country, by continuing the Bernie Sanders thing, is unfair and unnecessary.
Now, seriously, let's move on. Our country needs the press to let go.
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MIMA, in a democracy there is room at the table, for everyone. You cannot "not hear" about Bernie anymore. Bernie leaves his footprint strong and clear and we respect him deeply for giving DNC and Hillary the run for their money.
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The bitterness between Sanders and Clinton supporters will soon fade away and give rise to cooperation.
But the lack of impartiality by this paper during the campaign will, for me, not be forgotten.
But the lack of impartiality by this paper during the campaign will, for me, not be forgotten.
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If a miracle doesn't happen, Democratic turnout will be weak, and the haters will come out in mass.
Other than Supreme court picks and healthcare, HRC is republician lite.
All she seems to inspire is disdain for her product brand.
My state is bluer that blue, so I will write in my dog. I will ask friends in swing states to suppress their gag reflex and vote D.
Other than Supreme court picks and healthcare, HRC is republician lite.
All she seems to inspire is disdain for her product brand.
My state is bluer that blue, so I will write in my dog. I will ask friends in swing states to suppress their gag reflex and vote D.
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Bernie Sanders is still catching flak for being, among other things, "cranky." I have found his Convention rhetoric straightforward, realistic, principled and supportive of the Democratic Party and its now no-longer-presumptive candidate, Hillary Clinton. Understanding the stakes involved, Sanders has ceased his internecine carping and given his unequivocal support to the rightful victor.
Was he too late declaring his support? It's an arguable point, but his job is to do all possible to advance an agenda for which he has inspired tens of millions of passionate young voters. Let us now follow Bernie's example and stop our carping. The issue going forward is moot. There are bigger, orange fish to fry, and we shall fail to do this by placing a school of sparring minnows in a warming pot.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
Was he too late declaring his support? It's an arguable point, but his job is to do all possible to advance an agenda for which he has inspired tens of millions of passionate young voters. Let us now follow Bernie's example and stop our carping. The issue going forward is moot. There are bigger, orange fish to fry, and we shall fail to do this by placing a school of sparring minnows in a warming pot.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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Propaganda, papering over the (still unreported) walk-out of Bernie delegates after the roll call vote, and the thousands that are marching beneath Jill Stein's banner now outside the Wells Fargo Center. Nice touch appropriating our chant, though. That's what you establishment types do: steal the words to bury the ideas.
Fear is not unity. And fear is the only argument the Democratic Party is advancing for Hillary Clinton. That should be no surprise: she still doesn't have a vision for America, other than a country with her in the White House, whose rooms she's free to rent out to her Wall Street donors once more.
What's there to unite around? The hope that maybe things won't get much worse? That's what democracy looks like?
Look down from your ivory tower. Down there, in the streets, those barbarians at the gates -- that's what democracy looks like.
Fear is not unity. And fear is the only argument the Democratic Party is advancing for Hillary Clinton. That should be no surprise: she still doesn't have a vision for America, other than a country with her in the White House, whose rooms she's free to rent out to her Wall Street donors once more.
What's there to unite around? The hope that maybe things won't get much worse? That's what democracy looks like?
Look down from your ivory tower. Down there, in the streets, those barbarians at the gates -- that's what democracy looks like.
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Well, at least it's what a relatively small minority of voters in a democracy looks like.
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Thank you for that -- they STEAL the words to BURY the ideas.
EXACTLY!!!
EXACTLY!!!
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Disagree with Trump who said that if Bernie lost, it would be a waste of time. Sanders benefitted in a number of ways: Albeit briefly, he found a second youth, and unlike most of the elderly, he was paid attention to for over a year, and enjoyed the adulation of millions of callow, naive kids who had put their faith in him, and hoped that he would not cave, not,most humiliating of all, end up nominating HRC for President. To paraphrase Thomas Stearns, what began with a bang, his campaign, ended with a humiliating whimper He has become a laughing stock, slave to a woman he said was not qualified to be President.Sanders could not bear being out in the cold.He wanted once again to be a beltway regular.Not only did he exploit the passions of so many,he accumulated campaign contributions amounting to millions, and who knows where and in whose pocket those funds will end up .He turned out to have feet of clay,just another adherent of the "politique politichienne."His followers should be fed up with him.. As for myself, who also admired Sanders at one point, I can only say,"Degoutant;tout a fait degoutant!" "Monsieur Bernard, vous nous avez eu(You got over on us big time)!"
Unfortunately despite all her experience and gifts Hilary is mush inside. What she needs to do is dump all the image junk and go out, one on one, and meet and mingle with Bernie supporters. Her actions confirm their belief she is oblivious to the needs of large numbers of Democratic voters. If Bernie supporters rebuff her they will appear as clowns, but if they listen to her and she listens to them the Democratic party can go forward.
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Um, no... this isn't what democracy looks like... this is what fraud and voter manipulation looks like. Hillary was crammed down our throats and we were told we have no choice but to like it.
She'll never capture the independent vote after this. We're doomed to a Trump presidency
She'll never capture the independent vote after this. We're doomed to a Trump presidency
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Statistically, most independents are centrists, and most national elections are won in the centre. The nation has not elected a genuine leftist since, probably FDR, and he wasn't terrific on racial justice.
It's why Sanders lost by fourteen points and 3.8 million votes and why he would not have won a national election. It's why someone whose positions overlap with his more than 90% of the time stands a decent chance of becoming President -- without the handful of issues a majority views as extreme. (I'm sorry, but it does and a fair amount of actual research proves it.)
Otherwise, Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, McGovern, Humphrey and Stevenson would have all been President (and none, except perhaps McGovern, were as leftist as Sanders, and he was at least a Democrat long before he decided to pursue the Democratic nomination). Certainly, there were other issues in some or all of those campaigns, but ultimately it is clear that the US is not the leftist paradise-in-waiting we might want to believe.
The US is likely more liberal as a society than our Presidential choices have indicated (and way more so than the current Congress), but most Americans still don't really support single-payer, and most are probably dubious about free college tuition. (They'd be even more so if they understood what is usually required to make it work.)
I'm proud to be a near-Socialist in most issues. But I am realistic enough to understand that I am actually in a small minority of American voters.
It's why Sanders lost by fourteen points and 3.8 million votes and why he would not have won a national election. It's why someone whose positions overlap with his more than 90% of the time stands a decent chance of becoming President -- without the handful of issues a majority views as extreme. (I'm sorry, but it does and a fair amount of actual research proves it.)
Otherwise, Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, McGovern, Humphrey and Stevenson would have all been President (and none, except perhaps McGovern, were as leftist as Sanders, and he was at least a Democrat long before he decided to pursue the Democratic nomination). Certainly, there were other issues in some or all of those campaigns, but ultimately it is clear that the US is not the leftist paradise-in-waiting we might want to believe.
The US is likely more liberal as a society than our Presidential choices have indicated (and way more so than the current Congress), but most Americans still don't really support single-payer, and most are probably dubious about free college tuition. (They'd be even more so if they understood what is usually required to make it work.)
I'm proud to be a near-Socialist in most issues. But I am realistic enough to understand that I am actually in a small minority of American voters.
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I'm a very liberal Democrat and, at 72, old enough to have seen the party move to far to the right over the past 30 years. I appreciate that Bernie Sanders made it respectable again for people to advocate for progressive policies. That's a very big accomplishment and I think, if we're wise, it can mean there is a path out of the swamp that conservative have created for us. Despite that, I voted for Hillary Clinton in the NY primaries. I believe she is the best-qualified candidate among all the contenders in both parties.
Sanders and Clinton had their own campaigns. They raised money and organized their events.
The DNC has been criticized for being ineffective and I agree with that. They need to develop better strategies for electing a House and Senate who will stop being obstructionist.
Despite the unsavory nature of those emails, there seems to be no evidence that they followed through on any of the ideas that were tossed around. They simply didn't have the power to cram Hillary, or anyone, down your throat. After Sanders met the requirements for being on the ballot in the state primaries, there was no way for the DNC to stop his campaign from soliciting and winning votes.
Of course there were attempts to manipulate voters. There is a huge, and growing, industry dedicated to voter manipulation. Big money funds it and also funds other more subtle attempts to manipulate opinion. Despite that, you did have a choice.
Sanders and Clinton had their own campaigns. They raised money and organized their events.
The DNC has been criticized for being ineffective and I agree with that. They need to develop better strategies for electing a House and Senate who will stop being obstructionist.
Despite the unsavory nature of those emails, there seems to be no evidence that they followed through on any of the ideas that were tossed around. They simply didn't have the power to cram Hillary, or anyone, down your throat. After Sanders met the requirements for being on the ballot in the state primaries, there was no way for the DNC to stop his campaign from soliciting and winning votes.
Of course there were attempts to manipulate voters. There is a huge, and growing, industry dedicated to voter manipulation. Big money funds it and also funds other more subtle attempts to manipulate opinion. Despite that, you did have a choice.
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@ Red Lion
Uh, no. FDR did not run on a left leaning platform. He was pushed there by the desperation of the country suffering the Great Depression. Unfortunately those like yourself patting yourselves on the back for being "centrist" are keeping that from happening now giving ground to the likes of Trump, the current day Huey Long of that era.
Enough already with the selective history lessons and wallpapering over inconvenient reality. Sanders and his followers are the only ones pushing for a 21st century FDR type of leadership by keeping the pressure on Hillary.
Ask for what you need and want not what you think you can get. You'll get more than compromising before you even start dickering.
Uh, no. FDR did not run on a left leaning platform. He was pushed there by the desperation of the country suffering the Great Depression. Unfortunately those like yourself patting yourselves on the back for being "centrist" are keeping that from happening now giving ground to the likes of Trump, the current day Huey Long of that era.
Enough already with the selective history lessons and wallpapering over inconvenient reality. Sanders and his followers are the only ones pushing for a 21st century FDR type of leadership by keeping the pressure on Hillary.
Ask for what you need and want not what you think you can get. You'll get more than compromising before you even start dickering.
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Is it better or worse with The New York Times speaking out of both sides of its mouth?
We will not forget. It was never about Bernie, it was about his ideas, so every disparagement of him has been a disparagement of the things we hold closest to our chests. For those citizens who understand how we've been disdained and dismissed, there will be no reconciliation.
I hope Hillary can win without our votes, but I'm not as afraid of Trump as you keep trying to convince me I should be.
We will not forget. It was never about Bernie, it was about his ideas, so every disparagement of him has been a disparagement of the things we hold closest to our chests. For those citizens who understand how we've been disdained and dismissed, there will be no reconciliation.
I hope Hillary can win without our votes, but I'm not as afraid of Trump as you keep trying to convince me I should be.
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Deep in your heart you hope that others, more realistic, down to earth people whose world view include shades of grey, will do the "dirty" work for you, vote against Trump and let you keep your hands "clean". That's the morale of a childish coward.
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"I hope Hillary can win without our votes, but I'm not as afraid of Trump as you keep trying to convince me I should be."
Who's talking out of both sides of his mouth now? If you don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton, then why do you want her to win? As for being afraid of Trump, if nothing you've seen and heard of him over the last many months or so doesn't scare you, then you're just not paying attention. Good luck with your purity, by the way. It'll surely be a comfort to you during a Trump presidency.
Who's talking out of both sides of his mouth now? If you don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton, then why do you want her to win? As for being afraid of Trump, if nothing you've seen and heard of him over the last many months or so doesn't scare you, then you're just not paying attention. Good luck with your purity, by the way. It'll surely be a comfort to you during a Trump presidency.
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Yes. And I would argue, the people both need to understand and always be vigilant regarding such "consensus."
But if 2000 taught us anything, it is that at the end of the day, consensus matters.
But if 2000 taught us anything, it is that at the end of the day, consensus matters.
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"Mrs. Clinton remains a far-from-natural politician,"
Ain't that the truth! For someone so steeped in politics, Hillary Clinton is truly terrible at it. Some politicians take scandals and bad press, and turn it into their advantage. Or as Trump puts it, they can shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and wouldn't lose a vote.
Clinton is the opposite. She seems to make everything worse.
For example, in light of the DNC emails, was making Debbie Wasserman Schultz the "honorary chair" of her campaign really the right move? Was it really appropriate to thank Schultz for her service as DNC chair, when it appears Schultz tried to put her thumb on the scale for Clinton? Was it really wise to say Schultz will continue to be a Clinton "surrogate" when the accusation was "Schultz" acted as a Clinton surrogate even when acting as DNC chair?
Ain't that the truth! For someone so steeped in politics, Hillary Clinton is truly terrible at it. Some politicians take scandals and bad press, and turn it into their advantage. Or as Trump puts it, they can shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and wouldn't lose a vote.
Clinton is the opposite. She seems to make everything worse.
For example, in light of the DNC emails, was making Debbie Wasserman Schultz the "honorary chair" of her campaign really the right move? Was it really appropriate to thank Schultz for her service as DNC chair, when it appears Schultz tried to put her thumb on the scale for Clinton? Was it really wise to say Schultz will continue to be a Clinton "surrogate" when the accusation was "Schultz" acted as a Clinton surrogate even when acting as DNC chair?
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Viewed against the Republican party's chaotic and Trump centric Cleveland conventiion the Philadelphia convention of the Democratic Party with all its cacophonic noise and clutter still inspires hope for the secured future of democracy in America, and it's insatiable desire for experimenting with ever new ways of enriching its democratic substance and the Republican spirit, be it through choosing the first African-American as it's head of the state or the female as the next aspirant for the coveted job in its long history. However, if Clinton emerges the winner of the nomination ticket at the Philadelphia convention, it's Bernie Sanders who would be remembered as the main architect of the Convention's success even after losing the race himself. It's this spirit of sacrificing the self for the party and the nation that sustains the ethos and spirit of democracy in long run.
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Bernie came through as expected,
There always are some, misdirected,
Better angels, it's clear,
Trump has none to revere,
And Hillary should be elected.
And SCOTUS becomes once more fair,
Cit United given the air,
Climate Change addressed
Min Wage now the best,
Infrastructure under repair!
There always are some, misdirected,
Better angels, it's clear,
Trump has none to revere,
And Hillary should be elected.
And SCOTUS becomes once more fair,
Cit United given the air,
Climate Change addressed
Min Wage now the best,
Infrastructure under repair!
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Larry, I love the poetry!
Actually, what Democracy looks like was last week’s Republican convention. It called for “locking her up” and for creating Donald Trump president by acclamation. It would take liberals to regard the weak-beer orneriness of Sandersistas as TRUE indication of democratic dissent when they have the real thing in the competing campaign.
What this week’s Democratic convention looks like is merely a lot of ticked-off people who still don’t buy Hillary Clinton despite their champion’s urging. Whether Trump successfully exploits that rift to co-opt some percentage of monumentally unhappy “Berners” remains to be seen.
And calling last week’s Republicanfest a “debacle” is rich indeed: our convention didn’t feature an international scandal revealed by WikiLeaks of skullduggery by a curly-headed blonde – a scandal not only for what she did but that Putin’s thugs were able to hack into the DNC’s servers and lift emails (just as the FBI seems convinced that they hacked Mrs. Clinton’s private email server, with far more sinister implications). The worst you guys could really come up with is that Melania borrowed too heavily from a Michelle Obama speech. Some scandal. Break out the prison track-suit.
Be sure we’ll all be watching in 4-8 years to make sure that Heidi Cruz doesn’t crib too generously from this latest Michelle Obama speech. If that were to happen, I’d spring for the track-suit.
What this week’s Democratic convention looks like is merely a lot of ticked-off people who still don’t buy Hillary Clinton despite their champion’s urging. Whether Trump successfully exploits that rift to co-opt some percentage of monumentally unhappy “Berners” remains to be seen.
And calling last week’s Republicanfest a “debacle” is rich indeed: our convention didn’t feature an international scandal revealed by WikiLeaks of skullduggery by a curly-headed blonde – a scandal not only for what she did but that Putin’s thugs were able to hack into the DNC’s servers and lift emails (just as the FBI seems convinced that they hacked Mrs. Clinton’s private email server, with far more sinister implications). The worst you guys could really come up with is that Melania borrowed too heavily from a Michelle Obama speech. Some scandal. Break out the prison track-suit.
Be sure we’ll all be watching in 4-8 years to make sure that Heidi Cruz doesn’t crib too generously from this latest Michelle Obama speech. If that were to happen, I’d spring for the track-suit.
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Richard. so many words to grasp at so few straws, rather than admit that the Republicans had absolutely nothing to offer Americans in the shape of a positive vision. But then, they don't believe in government, so how could they be visionary about it?
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"Putin's thugs"' boss is The Donald's best friend. As for that well-rehearsed "lock her up" mantra, it sounded less like democracy then the clarion-call for a low-tech lynching.
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Wow Richard. You are REALLY reaching. Democracy and mobs aren't the same thing. And electing a president isn't the same thing as anointing a strongman who will be the voice of the mob, which currently is baying for the blood of the political opposition.
Sorry. But that scene in Cleveland was about as far from democracy as anything I've seen on the American political landscape since I've been cognizant of politics, and that goes back to the Stevenson/Eisenhower era when my mom, the socialist, voted for Norm Thomas but nevertheless hosted the Young Dems in our little basement apartment.
And, witness the absolute lack of diversity in Cleveland. That crowd did not resemble today's America, which of course is kind of Trump's not-so-subtle subtext, and implicit rebuke of the magic words written on the Statue of Liberty, and of the promise of so many successive waves of immigrants, and of the struggle of African Americans to rise above slavery and Jim Crow, and of Indian nations to rebound from utter devastation and near genocide.
That was the scene at the Democratic convention though, where our gorgeous, talented, inclusive nation was on full display, boo-birds and all.
Not a lynch mob to be seen. Dissent? Yes - and why not. Dissent is democratic.
Praise be.
Sorry. But that scene in Cleveland was about as far from democracy as anything I've seen on the American political landscape since I've been cognizant of politics, and that goes back to the Stevenson/Eisenhower era when my mom, the socialist, voted for Norm Thomas but nevertheless hosted the Young Dems in our little basement apartment.
And, witness the absolute lack of diversity in Cleveland. That crowd did not resemble today's America, which of course is kind of Trump's not-so-subtle subtext, and implicit rebuke of the magic words written on the Statue of Liberty, and of the promise of so many successive waves of immigrants, and of the struggle of African Americans to rise above slavery and Jim Crow, and of Indian nations to rebound from utter devastation and near genocide.
That was the scene at the Democratic convention though, where our gorgeous, talented, inclusive nation was on full display, boo-birds and all.
Not a lynch mob to be seen. Dissent? Yes - and why not. Dissent is democratic.
Praise be.
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Hillary Clinton and her campaign made he necessary moves to save the first day of the Democratic convention. Unfortunately, Bernie Sanders was spurned by his supporters in his efforts to calm them down. The NYTimes peace that best reflects my feelings about the fiasco is Andrew Rosenthal's piece in today's Campaign Stops section.
About 300 protesters walked out of the hall after the roll call today. It was reported that they want to protest the veep nomination of Tim Kaine, so it's possible that more unrest is to come. These people seem quite determined to proceed - with slight chance of winning. So democracy, yes - but how to deal with sore losers?
About 300 protesters walked out of the hall after the roll call today. It was reported that they want to protest the veep nomination of Tim Kaine, so it's possible that more unrest is to come. These people seem quite determined to proceed - with slight chance of winning. So democracy, yes - but how to deal with sore losers?
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Let them stew. The number of angry Sanders I've seen who seem to have little understanding of either how governance or elections (or arithmetic) actually works is depressing, but not yet the end of the world.
Loud non-participation and refusal to accept reality aren't really any different than quiet non-participation and refusal to accept reality, except perhaps in attention-getting.
Loud non-participation and refusal to accept reality aren't really any different than quiet non-participation and refusal to accept reality, except perhaps in attention-getting.
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Bill Clinton's speech tonight was exemplary. The Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton he described is the woman I want to be the next President of the United States.
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Yeah, so where did she go?
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Oh, you mean the wife & mother that he subjected to national disgrace, when he had sexual relations with a 23 year old intern in the Oval Office -- just yards from where his wife and staff were working? And lied about it? not just to the American people, but to Congress? and got impeached for the lies?
THAT Bill Clinton?
Count me unimpressed.
THAT Bill Clinton?
Count me unimpressed.
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Concerned citizen: This is your argument? You'd revile Hillary (or even Bill) who struggled and persevered with the long, hard work of a committed relationship, over forty years, through ups and downs, being embarrassed and distressed but rising above that in showing love, duty, and commitment (both to each other and as parents)? This is what you would revile?
Meanwhile, Trump cast off two former wives, undoubtedly with plenty of other (and extra-marital) relationships, to find younger women to enjoy, seeking out personal pleasures at the expense of long-term commitment and devotion, always putting "number one" first, not staying when the going got tough. This is your preferred example of positive human warmth, fealty, and character?
Say what you like about Bill Clinton's past infidelities. What Hillary has done throughout her life - professionally AND in her personal life - has been a model for anyone looking at it with the slightest discernment and wisdom.
Meanwhile, Trump cast off two former wives, undoubtedly with plenty of other (and extra-marital) relationships, to find younger women to enjoy, seeking out personal pleasures at the expense of long-term commitment and devotion, always putting "number one" first, not staying when the going got tough. This is your preferred example of positive human warmth, fealty, and character?
Say what you like about Bill Clinton's past infidelities. What Hillary has done throughout her life - professionally AND in her personal life - has been a model for anyone looking at it with the slightest discernment and wisdom.
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Democracy is, sure enough, the overweening principle of the Democratic Party, and so I can certainly appreciate why Bernie's true believers would feel as though they had been lied to or shut out of that process by the machinations of a partisan DNC. On the other hand, there is no evidence (to date) that HRC was an involved participant in the effort to treat Bernie and his supporters with dismissive disrespect. And there is also no evidence to show that anything that the chairperson and her acolytes attempted to do had any real effect on the those who voted in the primaries and caucuses. On the other hand, those who would allow this admittedly disreputable business from influencing THEIR vote come November is merely playing into the hands of Donald Trump and his booster in business and "diplomacy," Vladimir Putin. If the DNC DID attempt to put their collective thumbs on the scale of our elections, at least it was OUR elections they were trying to influence. What does it say for us if we let people like Putin and Assange do the same?
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@Stu who wrote "On the other hand, there is no evidence (to date) that HRC was an involved participant in the effort to treat Bernie and his supporters with dismissive disrespect"
Your 'no evidence (to date)' is an awfully shaky premise for the Democratic party to nominate someone tied with Trump; it is an opinion with little to recommend it considering that Hillary denied lacking permission for her server and denied having transmitted classified emails over it, even AFTER the IG report.
It brings to mind that Exxon denied global warming ('no proof') just like Dow before it (on the ozone hole being caused by 'harmless' CFCs) - both of them making as many dollars as they could before their production lines were shut down.
Unfortunately it looks like Ms. Clinton is of the same mold.
This should have been an easy win; instead it is going to be a possible loss of the White House along with a certain loss of the Senate and House.
At least we can take heart that UK progressives are having more grass roots success trying to undo the Clinton/Blair damage sold as 'a necessary evil' for gaining office.
Your 'no evidence (to date)' is an awfully shaky premise for the Democratic party to nominate someone tied with Trump; it is an opinion with little to recommend it considering that Hillary denied lacking permission for her server and denied having transmitted classified emails over it, even AFTER the IG report.
It brings to mind that Exxon denied global warming ('no proof') just like Dow before it (on the ozone hole being caused by 'harmless' CFCs) - both of them making as many dollars as they could before their production lines were shut down.
Unfortunately it looks like Ms. Clinton is of the same mold.
This should have been an easy win; instead it is going to be a possible loss of the White House along with a certain loss of the Senate and House.
At least we can take heart that UK progressives are having more grass roots success trying to undo the Clinton/Blair damage sold as 'a necessary evil' for gaining office.
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Not even the IMMEDIATE reward of a job on the Clinton Campaign? That was not a implicit admission that "Debbie Did Philadelphia"?
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Wow, just listen to yourself. Your justifications are stunningly obtuse.
I guess Nixon had no responsibility for Watergate, then. And Nazi officers were just "following orders".
Of course if Assange and WIkileaks found malfeasance in a REPUBLICAN administration or RNC....then it would be Holy Writ and they'd be doing God's work.
Funny, half the time lefties are claiming Trump is going to NUKE Russia and the other half that he is Putin's best buddy. Which is it?
I guess Nixon had no responsibility for Watergate, then. And Nazi officers were just "following orders".
Of course if Assange and WIkileaks found malfeasance in a REPUBLICAN administration or RNC....then it would be Holy Writ and they'd be doing God's work.
Funny, half the time lefties are claiming Trump is going to NUKE Russia and the other half that he is Putin's best buddy. Which is it?
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Thank you for this editorial. After just reading a couple of snide Times articles about Bernie, it was good to see you giving him a fair shake.
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The Times has a perfect right to prefer one candidate over another.
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The snide pieces come from Andrew Rosenthal who has embarrassed himself over Senator Sanders. Krugman too. They both behaved like tabloid hacks.
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Because they disagree with you doesn't make them hacks. Your willful misreading of Krugman says it all. He has not made one claim against Bernie without evidence.
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Vote for Hillary to keep Trump out of the White House, but keep on working for the principles Sanders espoused. These two goals aren't at war. We must do both.
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Watch the 2018 midterm and see an army of Cruzes taking over congress.
Nonsense. There is little difference between Trump and Clinton. I don't care who wins. The Supremes? You think for a minute in the age of the Internet they can force abortion bans in states where women wear shoes? I wanna watch that.
Laws and governments in modern societies reflect public opinion, or revolution results. Bernie was just the first wave, the second will be bigger. The a Republicans, and make no mistake, Clinton(and Obama) is one, are near the end of their reign.
Laws and governments in modern societies reflect public opinion, or revolution results. Bernie was just the first wave, the second will be bigger. The a Republicans, and make no mistake, Clinton(and Obama) is one, are near the end of their reign.
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Two very very different goals. Whose principles are you talking about?
And this is what a Trumpocracy would look like (thanks to Senator Elizabeth Warren Monday night at the DNC):
'Donald Trump’s America is an America of fear and hate. An America where we all break apart. Whites against blacks and Latinos. Christians against Muslims and Jews. Straight against gay. Everyone against immigrants. Race, religion, heritage, gender, the more factions the better. But ask yourself this. When white workers in Ohio are pitted against black workers in North Carolina, or Latino workers in Florida, who really benefits?'
'“Divide and Conquer” is an old story in America. Dr. Martin Luther King knew it. After his march from Selma to Montgomery, he spoke of how segregation was created to keep people divided. Instead of higher wages for workers, Dr. King described how poor Southern whites were fed Jim Crow, which told a poor white worker that, “No matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man.” Racial hatred was part of keeping the powerful on top.'
'And now Trump and his campaign have embraced it all. Racial hatred. Religious bigotry. Attacks on immigrants, on women, on gays. A deceitful and ugly blame game that says, whatever worries you, the answer is to blame that other group, and don’t put any energy into making real change.'
'Well, I’ve got news for Donald Trump. The American people are not falling for it! We’ve seen this ugliness before, and we’re not going to be Donald Trump’s hate-filled America. Not now, not ever!'
'Donald Trump’s America is an America of fear and hate. An America where we all break apart. Whites against blacks and Latinos. Christians against Muslims and Jews. Straight against gay. Everyone against immigrants. Race, religion, heritage, gender, the more factions the better. But ask yourself this. When white workers in Ohio are pitted against black workers in North Carolina, or Latino workers in Florida, who really benefits?'
'“Divide and Conquer” is an old story in America. Dr. Martin Luther King knew it. After his march from Selma to Montgomery, he spoke of how segregation was created to keep people divided. Instead of higher wages for workers, Dr. King described how poor Southern whites were fed Jim Crow, which told a poor white worker that, “No matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man.” Racial hatred was part of keeping the powerful on top.'
'And now Trump and his campaign have embraced it all. Racial hatred. Religious bigotry. Attacks on immigrants, on women, on gays. A deceitful and ugly blame game that says, whatever worries you, the answer is to blame that other group, and don’t put any energy into making real change.'
'Well, I’ve got news for Donald Trump. The American people are not falling for it! We’ve seen this ugliness before, and we’re not going to be Donald Trump’s hate-filled America. Not now, not ever!'
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Interesting that Senator Warren paints this picture of Trump's America when the DNC's own platform is literally pages upon pages of targeted pandering.
It seems to me that the people who are really interested in the divide et imperia approach are the ones who insist we all must first identify as whatever little box they claim we fit in.
It seems to me that the people who are really interested in the divide et imperia approach are the ones who insist we all must first identify as whatever little box they claim we fit in.
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@Socrates: Don't let the echo chamber of the NYT's and its readers fool you. Read the latest CNN poll that came out Monday. Not just the lead number of Trump being ahead by a few points, but the deeper numbers showing most of the public has made up its mind. Trump is deservedly hated by many, but Hillary's latest unfavorable numbers were even higher.
She will get a bounce from the convention, but if you examine the long term polling numbers in the CNN poll, she always trends downward. She was ahead of Donald by more than 10 points less than a year ago. And with more revelations coming from the emails--both the DNC and her own--it will be hard for her to gain support. The desperate attempt to equate the Russian government with the DNC hack looks to me like a preemptory strike knowing there is more to come. Of course when Hillary's private email server was at issue with top secret documents, no operative expressed concern about the Russians hacking it.
Bringing Debbie on immediately after she left the DNC for lying about not being partisan also looks back. Yet another example of Hillary doing exactly what Hillary wants to do.
I agree with what you say, but Hillary has flaws that much of the Country is not willing to overlook.
She will get a bounce from the convention, but if you examine the long term polling numbers in the CNN poll, she always trends downward. She was ahead of Donald by more than 10 points less than a year ago. And with more revelations coming from the emails--both the DNC and her own--it will be hard for her to gain support. The desperate attempt to equate the Russian government with the DNC hack looks to me like a preemptory strike knowing there is more to come. Of course when Hillary's private email server was at issue with top secret documents, no operative expressed concern about the Russians hacking it.
Bringing Debbie on immediately after she left the DNC for lying about not being partisan also looks back. Yet another example of Hillary doing exactly what Hillary wants to do.
I agree with what you say, but Hillary has flaws that much of the Country is not willing to overlook.
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ScottW...both candidates have Herculean flaws.
There will be a steady drip-drip of negativity for both candidates for the next 100 days.
Trump is no slouch in the fatal flaw department between Trump Institute, Trump University, the fact that he's been blackballed by most American banks and that he depends disproportionately on Russian funding and refuses to release his tax returns which - if they were released - would categorically confirm the suspicion that he is a tax-dodging, uncharitable carnival barking con artist who's not nearly as wealthy or 'patriotic' as pretends he is.
And businessmen have a proven wretched record of mismanaging the American economy over 'laissez faire' cliffs of profound incompetence.
Presidents and businessmen Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge laid the groundwork for the 1929 Great Depression.
Businessmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney nurtured the 2008 economic collapse.
Businessmen stink as American Presidents.
And Donald Trump is a 'businessman' that specializes in gambling, real estate and personal branding, hardly the mainstays of economic bedrock.
Hillary is a vastly superior choice to a proven blowhard con artist, even with her many ugly warts.
There will be a steady drip-drip of negativity for both candidates for the next 100 days.
Trump is no slouch in the fatal flaw department between Trump Institute, Trump University, the fact that he's been blackballed by most American banks and that he depends disproportionately on Russian funding and refuses to release his tax returns which - if they were released - would categorically confirm the suspicion that he is a tax-dodging, uncharitable carnival barking con artist who's not nearly as wealthy or 'patriotic' as pretends he is.
And businessmen have a proven wretched record of mismanaging the American economy over 'laissez faire' cliffs of profound incompetence.
Presidents and businessmen Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge laid the groundwork for the 1929 Great Depression.
Businessmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney nurtured the 2008 economic collapse.
Businessmen stink as American Presidents.
And Donald Trump is a 'businessman' that specializes in gambling, real estate and personal branding, hardly the mainstays of economic bedrock.
Hillary is a vastly superior choice to a proven blowhard con artist, even with her many ugly warts.
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Senator Sanders has brought so much into this election. I never doubted that he would get behind Secretary Clinton. He did it in a way that his supporters can be proud of and moved the progressive agenda forward. Secretary Clinton
( hopefully Madam President) sees a vision of America that includes and promotes all Americans. God Bless and go forward!
( hopefully Madam President) sees a vision of America that includes and promotes all Americans. God Bless and go forward!
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Well -- all Americans who are not white, or working class, or live in the South or Midwest, or work in the coal industry, or who are cisgender or want privacy in the bathroom.
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Thanks for describing all of the Americans whom Trump never sees and won't do a single thing to support or help.
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He had to. Democrats and Republicans who join the party have to take an oath of loyalty to support the nominee, even if the nominee is a thief and liar or a chimpanzee (apologies to monkeys). Cruz just broke his oath, that's all. Why did the media not point this out in any of their reporting, that to run for a party, you have to take that loyalty oath? And no, it's not a Russian conspiracy. it's in the rulebook. Look it up.
The evidence of democracy is not Clinton winning. It is different candidates competing to be the nominee and then winning office.
It is treating the nominees and their supporters with respect. Even if, or maybe especially if you disagree with them.
The media has done a very poor job in upholding this part of the process.
It is treating the nominees and their supporters with respect. Even if, or maybe especially if you disagree with them.
The media has done a very poor job in upholding this part of the process.
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The media, nothin'. The DNC has done a very poor job.
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Many Sanders supporters have not shown that same respect for Clinton, especially when they chant "lock her up". Please with these double standards.
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It was pre-ordained. When she lost to Obama originally she was probably promised the nomination and the sec of state job if she accepted and embraced her loss.
I am still mad at Ross Perot running and then backing out of the elections in the 90s. Bernie did the same thing. It is strange how people of principle change their principles. He fell to the fear of Donald being elected and probably some other arm twisting. In all reality Bernie probably would have been the party nomination but the Party elite guided the process to the conclusion they wanted.
If Bernie or Hillary or Donald were our leaders during American Revolution we'd still be under the Crown.
Democracy ? , Billions of contribution dollars from the few, pre-ordained nepotism, journalistic favoritism and we are left with Hillary and Trump.
I am still mad at Ross Perot running and then backing out of the elections in the 90s. Bernie did the same thing. It is strange how people of principle change their principles. He fell to the fear of Donald being elected and probably some other arm twisting. In all reality Bernie probably would have been the party nomination but the Party elite guided the process to the conclusion they wanted.
If Bernie or Hillary or Donald were our leaders during American Revolution we'd still be under the Crown.
Democracy ? , Billions of contribution dollars from the few, pre-ordained nepotism, journalistic favoritism and we are left with Hillary and Trump.
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