Donald Trump Claims Nomination, With Discord Clear but Family Cheering

Jul 20, 2016 · 641 comments
Caroux (Seattle)
Donald, you don't have to accept. Bow out before it's too late. Claim some sort of sickness. No one will mind. Just say NO!
Cloudy (San Francisco)
Erased Ron Paul from history again, haven't you?
marie bernadette (san francisco)
in may i bet my husband $100 that trump would never make it to the nomination. i knew republicans were going down, but i couldnt believe they would allow thier party to evaporate with drumpf.
i just bet another $100 that trump would never be elected.
my husband said he will use his winnings for a one way tickey out of here......
Sophia (chicago)
This convention is a horror. The darkness, the fear, the rage - my god. What is this? It's a nightmare come to life.

Is this "Morning in America?" No - it's a collection of hateful doomsayers giving cover to neo-nazis.

And, public figures are openly leading a witch-hunt that might well result in real physical danger to the first woman candidate for president in American history. She's called a c*unt in tweets by a convention speaker, a complete fool by the way. We are assured by another speaker that Obama is on the "other side," and is supporting ISIS.

G*d help us.
jaye (<br/>)
Ok, so I've been watching the convention speeches as shown on PBS, but mostly reading about them because the speakers are often in the background while the talking heads talk. I have a question....who was that guy with the flag on his head and what the heck is a duck dynasty? Is that some sort of code for disgruntled Republicans?
Robert (Out West)
I sure wish Hunter S. had stuck around for this one.
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
As an aside, Mr. Paladino, the cadaverous man to the left of The Donald Jr. in some crowd shots, is looking really awful lately. So glad he didn't win whatever it was he kept running for in NY. He seems to have become the stereotypical Republican: old, white, male, smirking, scheming, sepulchral, seedy, and dissolute. And screaming with hatred for some targeted group on cue. Very, very creepy.
TJ (Virginia)
Was there really that much discord? The headline on the landing page was "Trump Claims Nomination Amid Discord" What will the headline be when Hillary get's nominated?
Tony (New York)
I can't wait to see how The Times characterizes Bernie's supporters at the Democratic convention. How many delegates will cast their votes for a person not named Hillary? Discord? Was the Democratic primary season "tumultuous"? Has Hillary been embroiled in controversy?
Kaari (Madison WI)
Chris Christie also seems clueless. After "Bridgegate" and likely other similar issues, he does not seem to realize that he is not well regarded by many.
1420.405751786 MHz (everywhere)
th last original political speech was written by Shakespeare, and it was for a drama
Marcus Aurelius (Terra Incognita)
No. He cribbed from Plutarch and other after-the -fact ancient biographers and annalists... But it's beautiful and stirring, nonetheless...
Hummmmm (In the snow)
I was wondering just how someone as mentally ill as Trump could demand such a specific kind of crowd. A crowd that seems bullheaded on following Trump even when he says the most horrid of statements. Then I realized, they’re not bullheaded but instead under hypnotic control...a crowd who's lost free will. A crowd that actually acts on what Donald Trump tells them what to do. As he speaks it seems like gibberish and with that, he insights intense fear.

I had seen this before while completing my graduate degree…everything I saw Trump doing was like reading chapter after chapter from my research. Trump is using mass hypnosis to influence his followers.

Understanding Mass Psychology

Control, and Drama, FEAR: One of the key factors to controlling the masses is fear. Looking at the history of the human species, you can see that seeded fear is one of the great controllers. When things get a little bit out of control in the system, leadership will create drama to get that control back. Reliance on the leadership causes you to lose your independence and your ability to break free from the system.

Donald Trump, Political Mass Hypnotist?

“What I [see] in Trump,” says Adams, is “someone who was highly trained. A lot of the things that the media were reporting as sort of random insults and bluster and just Trump being Trump, looked to me like a lot of deep technique that I recognized from the fields of hypnosis and persuasion.”[Forbes]
Hummmmm (In the snow)
Why are some people more susceptible to hypnosis than others?

When fear is removed… almost 100% of humanity can be hypnotized. Donald Trump, creates fear and then says that he will do things that remove their fears…build a wall, kick out all of the Muslims.
Hummmmm (In the snow)
People with paranoid personality disorder (Teaservatives) are generally characterized by having a long-standing pattern of pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others. A person with paranoid personality disorder will nearly always believe that other people’s motives are suspect or even malevolent.

Individuals with this disorder assume that other people will exploit, harm, or deceive them, even if no evidence exists to support this expectation. Individuals with Paranoid Personality Disorder are generally difficult to get along with and often have problems with close relationships. Their excessive suspiciousness and hostility may be expressed in overt argumentativeness, in recurrent complaining, or by quiet, apparently hostile aloofness. Because they are hyper vigilant for potential threats, they may act in a guarded, secretive, or devious manner and appear to be “cold” and lacking in tender feelings (No welfare, No healthcare, No education, No equal rights for women or minorities, No environmental care or safety).
Hummmmm (In the snow)
"The GOPeaservatives don't and can't care about the people of this country.“

“Brain-processed risk worked differently between the groups, with Republicans showing more activity in an area linked with reward, fear and risky decisions and Democrats showing more activity in a spot related to processing emotion and internal body cues.” [Examiner]

Emotionally impaired people have problems with social behavior and emotions play a role in making decisions and choices in a normal way.''
While they may normally do well on intelligence tests they no longer make choices, prioritize tasks or manage time well. [NYT]

Psychology professor Dacher Keltner notes that new evidence suggests power has similar effects on the frontal lobes as brain trauma…"Regions of frontal lobes that are now being called the empathy network ... they kind of help us detect other people’s pain," Keltner explains. "When you damage the empathy networks of your brain, which some people do, they become really impulsive…"We’re wired to care," Keltner explained in an earlier "Fig. 1" webisode. "If you feel pain, a part of your brain lights up, and if you see someone have physical pain that same part of your brain lights up." [HuffPost]
JBChrome (Maine)
"Donald Trump is now officially the Republican candidate for President of the United States..." and my immediate thought was, "and may God have mercy on our souls."
Lucas Eller (Murray Hill, Manhattan, New York)
That's exactly what Donald Trump is about: He doesn't care about his country or about his own (awful) political party. He wants us to be white nationalists. Guess what? The nation that elected president Obama 8 years ago is not going to elect this mean clown. American is the greatest nation in the world for several reasons, not electing this p*ssy is one of them.
Cletus Butzin (Buzzard River Gorge, Brooklyn NY)
I'd pick Trump over Reagan, no contest. That one still boggles my mind.
Anyway - taking a break from my job here unwinding these silk cocoons -
a thought for some of you who seem concerned on a matter: the nuclear codes. Trump wouldn't be able to do what you imagine him doing, no president could order deployment on a whim. The first line of stoppage would be the officer who carries the codes in a briefcase called 'the football'. This fella (or gal, yes) is also aware of what is going on in the world, and if the prez called for the football without a reason they would be all aware of would likely result in the immediate application of a protocol to remove the codes from the president's access. That's one issue they are kinda meticulous about. Plus.. the secretary of defense has to confirm authorization. It ain't gonna happen, so that's one less of the many issues you wring your hands over viz-a-viz Trump and the spells of his humors.
Now... I gotta whole lotta silk cocoons in front of me that need unwinding before the shift ends, so if there are no further problems I will get back to it.
Rduane (va)
And I thought Clint Eastwood and the empty chair was the bottom
Stuck in Cali (los angeles)
So the GOP had a show trial of Hillary Clinton? Seems as if Trump is skipping the copy of Nixon in 1968, and going way to to Hitler's rallies pre-WW2.
JimboAL (Huntsville, Al.)
The movies "Network" and "Idiocracy" have finally come to pass in this convention week. And, on a day when we celebrate the anniversary of the first moon landing. Wake me when this nightmare is over.
DecliningSociety (Baltimore)
One thing is immutably clear in all of this - This paper is 100% in the tank for liberal progressive political control of the country....currently exemplified by Hillary Clinton. The issues, facts, and personalities do not matter. Dem is good and Rep is bad... That's all that seems fit to print over here.
me (here)
well ain't you smart!
Barbara (NYC)
So Ben Carson says that Hillary Clinton is "a student of Saul Alinsky." I'm willing to bet that most of the convention attendees--and most Americans--no longer remember Alinsky, but they will certainly note the Jewish-sounding name. And this comes after the Trump tweet showing Hillary next to a Star of David and a pile of money.

To this Jew, there seems to be a concerted effort on the part of the Trump campaign to link Clinton with shady or scary Jewish interests, in the same way that Trump continues to imply that President Obama is secretly in league with the terrorists.

Add that to Rep. Steve King's singing the praises of white, Christian civilization (is there any other kind?), the disparaging remarks about Blacks and Muslims, the denigration of Hispanics, etc., etc. We get it, Republicans: only white Christians need apply.

Only the worst kind of self-loathing would make a non-White, non-Christian vote for this ticket.
Hummmmm (In the snow)
One of the reasons Trump chose Pence is him being a cult member of the religious right. This shows up in the GOP's or should I say Trump's attack on Hillary Clinton. They are now trying to frame Hillary Clinton in the context of the Devil..even Carson was on board with the rhetoric. The other frame taking place of where Hillary Clinton should be in jail...even after being examined over and over again. The GOP or should I say Trump, have targeted two specific groups of people who have no mind of their own that respond emotionally, without thought, and do the bidding of the GOP or should I say Trump.
Patrick (Ithaca, NY)
For all the trying to make a sow's ear out of the silk purse that is the victory of Mr. Trump in casting votes for other former candidates as a protest, this article overlooks the most obvious point: delegates were bound to vote to the candidates who won. Mr. Trump did not win every contest, therefore he was not going to get a unanimous vote.

Will writers Burns and Martin say the same thing if, at next week's Democratic convention, Bernie Sanders gets a fair number of votes from the places he won?

I suppose if you want to put spin on something, at least give us the courtesy to spin it in both directions.
Quilly Girl (Sector Three)
As my parents, years ago, taught me, I will watch each night. Know your enemies. Understand those who are out for themselves. Be wise in the ways of snakes in human skin.
Barrbara (Los Angeles)
Voters should be worried that Trump Jr. is Trump Srs. Spokesperson. Clearly Trump is the mouth but the kids run the show. There is a disturbing lack of loyalty to the person who supposedly orchestrated Trump's success. The Ohio governor made the right call with his absence. I expect there was some arm twisting in getting Cruz and Rbio to speak. Politics as usual - coupled with the ruthlessness of Wall Street. The only people who will benefit from Trump are those whose name is spelled Trump.
Donna (California)
As difficult as it was, I watched a big chunk of the Convention; I needed to see for myself what types of individuals are drawn to this man. Live Streaming various stages of the Convention, I got a peak at a fairly large section of empty bleachers. I looked at faces of the conventioneers and without fail- no happy faces; most looked worn and out of place; not really knowing how to act. Granted- many were first-timers, but a complete lack of enthusiasm throughout that cavernous building?
The State Roll-Call held as much pep and enthusiasm as a person going down a list of Repair items needed on one's house: The whole *thing* was surreal. I clicked on the mute button just to see if I could get a different *experience*; it was worse.

Please tell me again- what this is all about?
gratianus (Moraga, CA)
I'm a Democrat to the left of Hillary Clinton. I have some reservations about her as president, but the notion of a Trump presidency is beyond belief. Indeed, listening to the Republican speakers last night suggests many of them share my concern. Consider that Mitch McConnell did not devote a single moment in his "endorsement" of Trump in praise of the candidate. Rather, he mentioned Trump only when he promised that Trump would sign legislation from what McConnell presumes will be a solidly Republican congress. From the absent party leaders to the rank and file who are not filling seats in the arena, the GOP except for those who vibrate to Trump's xenophobia and racism and to his simplistic world views treats him like a bad dream.
child of babe (st pete, fl)
"It is time for the country to be led, he said, “not only by a strong leader, but by a caring, genuine and decent person.” _ Christie

A lot of adjectives (even positive ones) could have been chosen to describe Trump, but "caring, genuine and decent" are not among them. If Christie had any credibility at all it should have been lost in that moment. If anyone actually cared, that statement would totally negate ( or certainly lead to questioning) anything else he ever says.
Russell Gentile (Park Ridge, IL)
Congratulations to the nominee! Transparency and diversity begets discord, which melts away with common understanding and growing trust in Mr. Trump. Once voters realize we as a nation are at risk of having President Bush as the last Republican president, they will rally the Trump Train. We must never give up the ideals of the founders of these United States. The Republican party has changed to be more open, much younger, and caring of others. Mr. Pence and his home state of Indiana personify the evolving economy to a hybrid mix of agriculture, technology, education, and a safety net for those who truly need help. I thank the Trump family for their very American message of hard work pays off, we have failures and successes, but never give up. This is a positive message, if not glamorous.
David. (Philadelphia)
It doesn't bother you that almost everything in the GOP platform is unconstitutional?
JA (MI)
what I would love to see next week at the Dem convention is not one word uttered or a peep about Trump- it would be eerily devoid of any reference to him. it would be all about values of the party and policy proposals, with speakers and delegates as diverse as the country and the party.

nothing would make Trump tear his remaining 10 strands of orange hair out more and the strategists wouldn't know what to do with themselves.

I can't think of a better response or contrast to this week.
Marcus Aurelius (Terra Incognita)
Don't worry. You won't be able to hear "one peep," because the "peeps" will be lost midst the sound of sirens and screams... Typical lefty convention...
Ajay Dakappagari (Akron, Ohio)
Putting my political preference aside, it is clear that the Republican party is in a true state of chaos, which partly stems from many Republicans actively supporting and endorsing Trump. On one end you have brainwashed politicians, who buy into Trump’s propaganda and those who are the figureheads (Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell) do not use their platform to effectively convince those who “believe in the Trump movement” about how he is a scam and a grave danger to our country. This “movement” that Donald Trump Jr. promises will take over the country is basically an excuse for Trump to become fascist. In general the GOP has had a serious problem of producing candidates that can discern between fascist rule and effective governance of the country and if Trump becomes President it is clear what type of governance our country will have.
EinT (Tampa)
So a party that controls both houses of Congress and 67 state legislative bodies is in a state of chaos? 36 governors are republicans.

Democrats wish they were in the same state of chaos.
Ryan Wei (Hong Kong)
That discord will fade as the stale old right wing comes to grips with the fact that nationalism is the fate of all rightist movements. They've merely delayed it for a few decades, but now it's coming full bloom.

The leftists who are still complaining about racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc are about to find out what "being on the wrong side of history" really means.
jim Dingwall (British Columbia)
Fun as the Quicken Loan convention is, and will continue to be I'm sure, I have a serious question about this future President's ability to separate his political, economic and state responsibilities from the quotidian affairs of his family business. Neither his supporters nor his family or indeed himself seem to see a conflict of interest here, but I do. How will Donald Trump, if he becomes President of the United States, how will he separate the global and national affairs of the nation from the very much branded business affairs of his family's real estate, casino and golf course enterprises. He has no believable "blind trust" option like other rich politicians who get to park their assets in the hands of a third party for safe keeping. By his own admission his fortune is based on his uniquely personal, and artisanal, deal making. Given what we know of Mr. Trump, it seems unlikely (possibly impossible) for him to govern the United States without his keeping at least one of his manicured hands firmly and steadily gripping the helm of his own personal business ship of state. As a classic micromanager he seems ill-prepared to delegate authority. And even if he acquired such skill, who will be delegated to running the country and who will be making the artful deals? As an interested neighbour, I'm just asking.
David. (Philadelphia)
According to The Hill, Trump's son approached Kasich with an offer: be Trump's VP and handle all domestic and foreign presidential business. Kasich asked what Trump's job would be, and Junior answered, "Making America great again."Kasich wisely
turned down the offer.

This will definitely come up in the debates.
annberkeley2008 (Toronto)
I tuned in to have a quick look at the convention last night and couldn't believe what I saw: Christie was "trying" Hilary Clinton and, in the process, whipping up the crowds into a frenzy. It was quite medieval - they could have been at a public execution. It was utterly deplorable and made me sick to my stomach.
Frank Walker (18977)
I feel dirty and ashamed just watching this puerile display. My overseas friends are gobsmacked that this is the best we can do after spending so much time and money, and this is going on until November!
We have such important challenges to discuss and I'm not hearing a single new idea. I am hearing lots of hatred, blame, racism and arrogance. How could we forget the damage our last Republican president did? Can we please investigate the Iraq war like the Brits?
If Trump got in, we'd elevate Bush to second or third worst president ever.
The only good speech was stolen from Michelle Obama to great applause. This demonstrates the paucity of Republican ideas. Imagine the reception had Michelle given the speech. Have they no shame?
EinT (Tampa)
Why do you care what your friends overseas think? Do they vote here? Do they pay taxes here? Are they going to refuse US foreign aid? Military aid? Are they going to stop selling us their stuff?
casual observer (Los angeles)
I get it. The Republicans know that if they do not unite around the Party's candidate for President, he will lose and a lot of members of Congress might also lose. Trump's children's speeches were a plus for Trump even if his wife's gaff with the plagiarism diluted her effectiveness. Trump continues to play the role that got him the nomination, assertive opinionated statements delivered with conviction. His obvious lack of both experience and knowledge about almost all of the issues that have proved vexing for many years has not dwindled his support, nor has his poorly considered expressions of silly bigoted ideas. It would seem because the failure of the domestic real economy to provide enough prosperity for all Trump as a very wealthy business person is perceived as particularly suited to make expand a lot. An expanding economy is the core of Trump's supporters aspirations with regards to Trump.

Trump as a true and talented entertainer has made his audience suspend their reasonable disbelief. But he is not a careful and considerate person. He has and will continue to act before his idealized endeavors have been carefully considered, planned, and implemented. If elected, Trump as President is going to make mistakes, frequently, and he will not pay for those mistakes, ever. The American people will pay for those mistakes whether he admits to them or not -- which he most certainly will not.
Marcus Aurelius (Terra Incognita)
"Obvious lack of experience and knowledge"? Perfect qualifications for a politic tidal pundit or member of the NYT editorial board... Sail on O ship of State...
quadgator (watertown, ny)
Talk about nepotism and cult of personality. Our political system lies on the brink fascism with only saner elites pulling it back to the "safe haven shores" of oligarchy.

I cant believe I'm writing this. Looking at the photograph of Trump's kids, listening to Trump Jr. last night, seeing Crazy Karl without his baseball bat, applauding, I tried my best to keep the vomit down.

Am I the only one who thinks New Zealand really is looking good right about now?

And to think, less than two weeks away, we get Democratic version with Chelsea, Bill, Hillary with crazy Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and her whack out hair doo.

This is truly disgusting and NO, the Founding Fathers did not envision an American Royalty. In fact they shot the monarchist; remember your history?

And we wonder why gun whackos are open carrying assault weapons in front of an arena holding a political convention.

The death of democracy going out with a whimper in the night, as the moneyed string pullers head out to another cocktail party.

I just want a safe place to make a decent living so I can feed and put a roof over my kid's head, and Bozo A and Bozo B are my choice for leadership.

PATHETIC!!!!!
Cowboy Marine (Colorado Trails)
Debbie is a one-woman wrecking crew. I'm sure she's a nice person but she is the worst representative the Dem Party has ever had and I'm sure every time she speaks thousands of potential Dem voters are lost. She at least needs to come up with a few different talking points from time to time. She comes across as a fast-talking robot. Even Reince Priebus is better.
Tony (New York)
American royalty? Like the Clintons?
Adrian B (Mississipp)
Quadgator.....your thoughts...so well expressed and a lot of Americans agree with you....not only New Zealand would provide some safe & sane security but Canada & Australia seem to be doing well on many fronts, perhaps we should start a campaign to have these countries take in US "political refugees"!!!
Melinda (Just off Main Street)
721 Republican delegates cast their votes for candidates other than Mr. Trump. Well, that's out of a total of 2,472 delegates. To be honest, I am surprised the number was not higher.

Hillary's in-party negativity among Dems is far higher, probably 75%, but the dynamics are different there. Democratic voters won't speak out against her, they will simply line up, hold their nose and vote for her.

That fact and constraints of the electoral college will make her our next President.

Sigh* What a sad election for this country.
We all lose.
Kat IL (Chicago)
I won't be holding my nose when I vote for Hillary. She'll be a fine president. You'll only notice, though, if you stop paying attention to the savage attacks on her character. They've been going on for 20 years and without a doubt they'll continue through her presidency.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
Five reasons Hillary Clinton will lose in November.
1) Pennsylvania
2) Ohio
3) Virginia
4) Florida
5) North Carolina

Hillary has to win all 5 of those to win the electoral college.
You've got a better chance of winning Powerball.
Quiet Waiting (Texas)
@Jack

Does not your accurate characterization of the convention delegates as a "grievance filled mob that has come to find scapegoats" also apply to Sanders delegates who blame every economic malady from stagnant income growth to economic polarization on one per cent of the population?
Kaari (Madison WI)
Well, the 1per cent have a lot more influence with Congress than the rest of us.
Tony (New York)
Shh. The Left really does not like looking in the mirror.
Ken (St. Louis)
Enjoy your delegate votes, Trumpty.
Because November votes will be far more difficult to come by.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
If Hillary Clinton loses PA, VA, OH and FL, then Donald Trump will be the 45th President of the United States.

Period.
arm19 (cali/ny)
After Eastwood and the chair, we have the dumb and dumber convention... Leave it to the Republicans to not propose any plan for the country and to simply repeat, on a loop, crooked Hillary, make america great again, and god bless america... When they attempt to blame Hillary for ISIS, they forget that it was one of their presidents who is directly responsible of its' creation. If this is the best they have to offer, the Republican party no longer has anything to offer to America.
John (Princeton)
Well it is about time.

But The Donald should get rid of that dumb woman who gave a speech. She was from a European country down by Kosovo and those muslims. She is probably working with ISIS to derail his campaign. If we're going ban all the muslim terrorists we have to get the sympathizers as well.

She has done nothing to help make America Great Again, she doesn't even have one of the hats!! Dump her now! It isn't as if he couldn't get somebody hotter!
Daniel (Germany)
Something important may have whizzed by me. Does the fact that a man laden with hatred and inconsistency has secured the Republican nomination tell us that the U.S. is not great at this time?
Donna (California)
...And the Christian Pastor prayed to his God; "Hillary is the enemy. In Jesus name I pray- amen".
And Americans wonder WHY so many around the Globe hate us [and] our God?
Ed (Old Field, NY)
The political, economic, social, and legal problems America faces are of a kind with those affecting the entire world—problems real and long in the making. (People can talk about Obama, but this is much bigger than he.) It is not possible—intellectually—to unify either the Republican or the Democratic parties that brought us to this point. Certainly, no one person, no one election can do that. There is real work to be done.
sophia (bangor, maine)
So the speechwriter plugged in the plagiarism. But the question remains: why did it not go through a vetting software which would surely have caught the 'innocent mistake' (which I don't understand how it can be 'innocent')? It just shows the level of chaos/dysfunction in this campaign.

It is HUUUGGGGEEELLLLY ironic, BIG LEAGUE ironic that the passages were lifted, not from Laura Bush or Pat Nixon, etc., but from a most hated Democrat.

Good for Melania that she admires our beautiful and wise FLOTUS. I do, too. And that will be the last time I will be in agreement with anything Trump, I am sure.

I can't even watch this horror show. I gave up last night. Giuliani was like a rabid dog and Chris Christie just plain disgusting. So full of hate, over the top with hate. How can any sane person take it seriously?
Lew (San Diego, CA)
After reports that Melania Trump plagiarized a speech by Michelle Obama, the Trump campaign manager spun out the following:

"“There was no cribbing of Michelle Obama’s speech. These are common words and values that Melania cares about — her family, things like that. She was speaking in front of 35 million people last night. Melania knew that. To think that she would be cribbing Michelle Obama’s words is crazy. This is once again an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It’s not going to work against Melania Trump.” — Paul Manafort in an interview with CNN

48 hours later, Trump employee Meredith MacIver falls on her sword, stating: “A person she [Melania Trump] has always liked is Michelle Obama... Over the phone,” Ms. Trump “read me some passages from Mrs. Obama’s speech as examples. I wrote them down and later included some of the phrasing in the draft that ultimately became the final speech. I did not check Mrs. Obama’s speeches. This was my mistake and I feel terrible for the chaos I have caused Melania and the Trumps as well as to Mrs. Obama. No harm was meant.”

From the beginning, everyone knew that Manafort was lying, even Trump supporters. The plagiarism was too extensive and too obvious to be denied for very long. Yet the first impulse of the Trump campaign was to cover up the dishonesty. It was only when the outcry became too loud that the campaign realized that they needed a scapegoat.
Kat IL (Chicago)
Plus, the Clinton campaign didn't break the story. Hillary had nothing to do with it. Trump's campaign has the same problem they accused Rubio of earlier on: a stock response given regardless of the topic at hand. "It's Hillary's fault!"
David. (Philadelphia)
Hm. I guess Trump really is the new Nixon.
David. (Philadelphia)
It's been reported on The Hill and elsewhere that Donald Trump Jr approached John Kasich about becoming Trump's running mate. Trump Junior reportedly told Kasich that he'd be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy. Kasich asked what Trump would be responsible for, and Jr replied, "Making America great again."

If Trump is really intending to outsource the Presidency, I'd think this news should be a much bigger story than Melania's plagiarism. Could the NYT please look into this?
Anthony (Wisconsin)
The Republican Party convention is quite simply a mockery of thoughtful, compassionate, fair-minded and ethical people. Instead of representing the shining light that our Country can be for the world, and put forth plans and policies to address the needs of all citizens, Trump, and the cooperative GOP that has nominated and failed to denounce him, have invoked fear, hate and darkness to attempt to unify behind their nominee and garner votes. They must all be soundly defeated in November for their cynicism and their dangerous and cowardly behavior.
EinT (Tampa)
The House. The Senate. 67 state legislative bodies. 36 governors.

That doesn't sound like a party on the brink of death to me.
Joey Green (Vienna, Austria)
Think of the Republican party as a cancer patient. The patient was first diagnosed in 1980 with the election of Mr. Hollywood.

The patient has become progressively worse and yet refuses the advice of his doctors.
Now a stage 4 cancer, in denial of the probable final outcome and becoming desperate, the patient places his life in the hands of someone with no medical training whatsoever. Moreover, he offers the patient an experimental therapy which has never been tried before.

This therapy is so unconventional that there is not one doctor who will advise the patient to try it.

A "reasonable " person would understand this.
Kay Johnson (Colorado)
And unhappily for the patient, his doc is Ben Carson who prescribes "More Hate".
Betsy Herring (Edmond, OK)
Carson - Saul Alinsky? Devil worshiper? I don't think so because he was a labor activitist from the 60's more connected to Communism than religion. Another example of the Republicans throwing statements into the air and hoping they stick. Carson reminds me of a three toed sloth. Look one up and see for yourself. Slow moving, slow thinking and sleeps a lot.
Marcus Aurelius (Terra Incognita)
"Slow moving, slow thinking and sleeps a lot."

World renowned neurosurgeons are like that. They're not nearly as intelligent and sophisticated as the average Times' commenter...
EinT (Tampa)
Did anyone call Alinsky a devil worshiper?

No. What Ben Carson said was that Alinsky listed Satan in the acknowledgements section of his book "Rules for Radicals". Which is true.
Robert (Out West)
Oh, do please explain what Ben Carson's said that you find so intelligent and well-informed.
Lorem Ipsum (DFW, TX)
"Spontaneous" chants? You cannot be serious.
MauiYankee (Maui)
Please please please,
don't underestimate Psycho Trump's chances of capturing the White Man's House.
He is psychotic. He is a narcissist. He is a pathological liar. He is an authoritarian threat to our constitution.
And this convention has shown the fruit of his loins are not that much different.
Please don't underestimate this grave threat.

Hillary/Beelzebub 2016
David. (Philadelphia)
I'm amazed that Melania's plagiarism has overwhelmed Trump's convention. But then I recall how Howard Dean's unfortunate yell was gleefully spread everywhere by his opponents, costing him the nomination.

The upside of the plagiarism is that it gave our nation, and especially Twitter users, a healthy dose of laughter to offset the faux rage of the Republican Party. It's turning out to be the only healthy thing about Trump's convention.
BarbT (NJ)
A national political convention run like a reality show. No ideas, lots of gossip laced with lies, and phony "apologies". As characters on reality shows say: " I said 'sorry' so let's forget that I lied and move on..." Does this summer up what we've heard? No substance and lots of fake drama.
fastfurious (the new world)
Remarks by speakers demonizing Hillary Clinton were reminiscent of Nazi propaganda against the Jews. Nazi propaganda was designed to demonize jews as 'criminals,' 'morally perverted outsiders' & 'satanic agents' so the German public would support stripping them of their property, freedom & eventually their lives.

Chris Christie's a former U.S. Attorney. Christie proclaiming Hillary a criminal who should be jailed is despicable use of his status as an officer of the court. Casting aspersions on Director Comey, the FBI & the Attorney General, Chris Christie is throwing his career away.

The Nazis used dehumanizing propaganda to convince the Germans the jews were - absent any evidence - criminals whose freedom endangered the public.

Ben Carson's attempt to link Hillary to Satan was ludicrous even for such a stupid person.

The Nazi Party insisted the jews were agents of Satan & a moral danger to the Christians of Germany.

The constant propaganda demonizing & criminalizing the jews enabled the Nazis to imprison & murder them without any resistance.

Scholarship exists on the price a society pays when it's innocent people are dehumanized & demonized by political opponents.

The GOP has crossed into this sewer.

This isn't just Hillary. Mexicans, Muslims & others are lumped into Trump's poisonous stew of evil, criminal, dangerous people deserving persecution, retribution & violence. Putting Hillary in this category is vile but no more so than anyone else Trump's dehumanized.
Kay Johnson (Colorado)
The enduring image of Night One was a pastor so disconnected from the actual teachings of the Gospel that he prayed to someone's god for Hate to guide the way to take out Hillary. Time to re-read Mark Twain's The War Prayer.

And elsewhere yet another wailing op-ed today of Why Why Why, What Happened, How Did This Happen?? Dear GOP: You have blindly demonized everyone that old son of a biscuit-eater Roger Ailes has told you to for 20 years and you are both at the same existential Dead End. How about something counterintuitive like Love Your Enemy? Not because you are hippy moonbeams, or would ever take advice, but because Reality is the only way forward, not shorthand male bonding over hating Hillary Clinton. Enemies are happy to point out your faults for free.

The American tradition of The Worthy Opponent needs to reappear.
rice pritchard (nashville, tennessee)
I am for neither Trump nor Clinton. Both for obvious and glaring reasons. At the end of the day though the constant carping, criticism,s and howls of outrage from all the ersatz liberals and psuedo Democrats will get them exactly nowhere. They are whistling past the graveyard. They think if they raise enough hue and cry and express enough self righteous wrath that somehow that will save them from Donald Trump. They better think again. I travel all over this nation and the ground swell for the Donald is truly a phenomena to see and experience. The yard signs and bumper stickers for Trump outnumber Clinton by at least 2 - 1 in all parts of the United States. Like it or not Trump has tapped into the average Americans angst and anger at seeing the country overrun with aliens, our industrial base closed down and shipped overseas, along with millions of good paying jobs, a dwindling middle class, the government hobbled with debt, endless foreign wars costing thousands of young American lives, nearly all from the poor and working class, and the 0.1 living higher than kings and emperors of old, laughing all the way to the bank as the political hacks of both parties do their dirty work in Washington and aid and abet their endless crimes. Regardless of whether Trump can or will do anything to correct these evils ravaging America, millions of citizens believe he can and will and thus will vote for him. We may see an electoral landslide for Trump in 2016 similar to 1964, 1972, and 1984.
Sunset mom (California)
During the primary, there were plenty of comments from Sanders supporters who claimed he would win the nomination because there were so many more Sanders bumper stickers and lawn signs, and we know how that turned out.
JTK (Florida)
Fully agree. I had planned to write my own comment, but you thankfully did it for me. I'm hearing the same political sentiments (pro Trump), but also anti-GOP/anti Dem/anti-establishment everywhere I go. The "folks" seem to love Trump but absolutely despise the establishment GOP. The country is irreparably divided and there is a TON of fear out there; to deny or ignore same is simply foolish.
Grove (Santa Barbara, Ca)
I hope rhat you are wrong, but too many are sick of the status quo, and Hillary is more than likely "status quo".

" Hillary Clinton is the perfect candidate for the system we currently have, but Bernie Sanders is the perfect candidate for the system we desperately need ."
- Robert Reich
arp (Salisbury, MD)
The GOP has a lot of gaul providing time for the NRA lobbyist to address the convention.
Grove (Santa Barbara, Ca)
But, the DO have an endless supply of gall.
Byron Jones (Memphis, Tennessee)
Actually, Julius Caesar had a lot of Gaul.
mitymom (Austin Texas)
I'm sure you mean 'gall' not 'gaul' which is an ancient European country.
Syntel Holmes (Savannah GA.)
You guys (republicans) can gloss over this all you want, but the facts are this is going to set your party back 40 years. All the gains made to move your party from 'A bunch of rich white guys and a bunch of poor white guys" to an inclusive group with conservative values and ideas have gone the way of the reality TV show no one watches anymore.
George (Monterey)
I've been to Tupperware parties that were a lot more fun that this party sounds. This is more like a soap opera than a political convention.
RJS (Phoenix, AZ)
Why are TV commentators treating the Trump convention with kid gloves? Even Rachel Maddow was swooning over the son of Trump who in her opinion gave one of the best convention speeches ever. Really? A dutiful son espouses good things about his father and bad things about his opponent and this is considered legitimate? What I see on TV is low energy from the convention hall crowd (sorry Donald but it's true) and a parade of family and B politicians and celebs (Scott Baio and Antonio Sabato Jr, really?) espousing hate for Hillary and only fleeting meaningless platitudes for Trump. Has anybody laid out Trumps life's work or his accomplishments? The answer is no. It's all about hate of Hillary and whatever else irks mostly cranky white men these days. Maddow and others (including CNN's crew) need to quit normalizing the Trump fiasco and report on what is actually happening at the convention. Which is superficial speeches of hate, meaningless endorsements by family members and a parade of also rans. Enough with false equivalencies. Report what is actually happening and not through rose colored glasses to try and appear fair and balanced. If Clintons convention were anything like the one that is unfolding now, she would be excoriated. But we all know that the bar is set ridiculously low for Trump while it's set higher for Clinton.
Deus02 (Toronto)
Nowadays it is all about access journalism, not questioning the politician about their policies, holding their feet to the fire and how it will affect the country. The days of the media being the FOURTH ESTATE are long gone. In order to get continuing interviews with these people in power down the road, they do not want to offend them, pathetic.
Cowboy Marine (Colorado Trails)
Rachel and all of the other MSNBC and cable news entertainment show celebrity talkers have been cowed and hoodwinked and intimidated since the Reagan Era. The term "broadcast journalist" is an oxymoron if not a sad joke. Rachel is a nice and smart person but she's proved to be just as gullible as the next talking head. Wow...look at the Trump kids!...they have such nice clothes and $300 haircuts and their grandparents, mothers, nannies and boarding schools turned them into reasonably intelligent well-spoken young adults who can read a script. Let's all genulflect!
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
The bar is set so low for Trump because we all know from long experience that he lies constantly and he's not very intelligent. Every speech proves that over and over. So sure, if nobody gets hacked up by a machete at his convention, it's surprisingly better than expected. Because he's a hate-filled rabble rouser, and we're astonished if he comes anywhere close to civility.
Stacy Beth (USA)
Various and Meandering Thoughts

If the "Apprentice" Donald was judging the execution of the convention so far, he would have fired the group running this.

Trump supporters supposedly don't care that he lies. They care he is strong and smart and will get things done. But, he can't run a convention, he can't run a campaign (little money and staff turnover) he can't brand properly (hawking steaks, chasing small dollars), he can't keep businesses afloat (4 bankruptcies). And known one knows how little he makes since he has not released the tax returns. So to his biggest asset for supporters, how do they reconcile this?

These polls that show Trump as more truthful than Hillary Clinton are absurd. Polls that ask for opinions on something that can be determined by fact are so frustrating. Factually HRC is by far more truthful that Trump (Politifact), but people are so brainwashed by 30 years of propaganda that they feel she is less truthful.

Since Chris Christie prosecuted HRC on the convention floor for every evil in the world (he didn't mention Zika, I don't think) should a Democrat get up next week with actual facts to prosecute Cheney (with Bush as perhaps an unknowing co-conspirator) for the Iraq war?
timsf (san francisco)
Ok, this is a little off topic, but maybe readers and/or editors can help me out. Why does NYT refer to Don's wife, Melania, as "Ms. Trump," while Michelle Obama is referred to as "Mrs. Obama?"
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
Dear Timsf,
It's because she's the third. The first wife of Trump was Mrs. Trump, the second was Miss Trump, indicating she got to be his wife by being his mistress, or "adultery-enabler". The third is Ms. Trump so that we can keep them straight, it's tough because they're all gold-digging former models from Eastern Europe.
Marcus Aurelius (Terra Incognita)
Dan,

I enjoy many of your comments, even though we are worlds apart politically speaking. But really, this one about the Trump ladies is simply sexist and uncivil...
Incidentally, Marla Maples -- that would be No. 2 -- was born in Cohutta, Georgia. Most of the folks there would be surprised to learn that Cohutta is in Eastern Europe, and they will no doubt be grateful to you for enlightening them...
David. (Philadelphia)
Marla Maples was born in Georgia. The American one, not the Russian.
MauiYankee (Maui)
Preposterous
Pathological
Psychotic
Presumptive
Never ever President
Joey Green (Vienna, Austria)
Don't forget sociopathic.
asanchez (Fredericksburg, Va)
I'm no reporter-expert, but I would imagine that "hundreds" of delegates voting for someone else might (just might) be because this probably the largest group of people running for the nomination in history. Also that the rules required that the delegates won in the primaries be presented in that manner at the roll call of votes in the convention.

As a matter of fact, won't there be "hundreds" of delegates voting for Bernie at the dems convention? Or have they rigged that already?
Corte33 (Sunnyvale, CA)
I doubt Trump will get far. Democrats will not nominate Clinton, and will put up a candidate people actually like.
Joey Green (Vienna, Austria)
Wow, can I have some of what you're on?

Everything must seem so shiny and nice!
David. (Philadelphia)
According to Gallup, HRC is still the most admired woman in the world, as she has been for the past twenty years, and for good reason. Voters have seen both of them on the campaign trail for over a year now. Despite all the false cries of "liar" and other Republican smears, she hasn't lost her dignity or her sense of humor. And she's far, far more experienced and aware of the world than Trump could ever be. To think Trump will win because of a handful of lawn signs suggests that American voters are uninformed or unaware of who the candidates really are.

Case in point; Hillary Clinton has decades of her income tax returns posted on the web. Donald Trump flatly refused to make any of his tax returns public at all, although he's fully aware that it's expected of him for very good reasons. What does that tell you about each of them?
Gazbo Fernandez (Margate, NJ)
Please say it like it is. Donald Trump is a disaster both professionally, politically and probably emotionally. He may be a self proclaimed real estate success, but he is self proclaimed in every other attribute of his being from knowledge to golf. He is a sun and thinks the world revolves around him.
Billy Wilde (Utica)
Why are we crowning nominees?
Chris Hutcheson (Dunwoody, GA)
Even republicans don't like republicans. Imagine that.
Honey Badger (Appleton, WI)
The only people of color in any of the photographs from the Republican Convention were police and protestors.
Marcus Aurelius (Terra Incognita)
I didn't notice that Ben Carson and Don King were any lighter skinned than when I'd last seen them... But thanks for the tip. I'll keep my eyes on full color alert...
hen3ry (New York)
"Casting himself as her prosecutor in a mock trial, Mr. Christie roused the crowd to spontaneous chants of “Lock her up!”

This is what Mr. Christie does when he's given the stage? He has nothing more to do than act as a prosecutor to Clinton? This is a governor whose state is falling apart because of decisions he's made, because he's been absent, and because he is hewing to the GOP line of not increasing taxes in the face of increased need for money to run his state. He's facing serious problems but he focuses on Clinton rather than trying to talk about how America can solve its problems.

Ben Carson dragged out the tired bit about Saul Alinsky. Sorry, it was used when Obama campaigned and it didn't work then. Why would it work now? And then Christie talks about having a strong leader who is a caring, genuine and decent person leading America when that person is an unruly child in the body of an adult? Is this an alternate universe where only the children lead? If it is, I want out. I want to live in a country where adults cooperate to make everyone's lives better, where being black or female or anything isn't a reason to discriminate. I want a functioning government that is adequately funded. I'm tired of being told I can choose, especially when all my choices are lousy. Most of all, I'm tired of hearing how Trump is going to make America great again. I'd like it to be a decent place to live again.
Marcus Aurelius (Terra Incognita)
"He has nothing more to do than act as a prosecutor to Clinton?"

Someone has to, since Lynch bailed out...
David. (Philadelphia)
I believe Republicans like to demonize Saul Alinsky because his name sounds Jewish, which it is. But every competent political strategist, Democratic or Republican, owns a dog-eared copy of Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals." After all these years, it's still the best single handbook about creating political movements from the streets up, instead of from the top down.
Skooter (California)
I can hardly wait for Dear Leader to speak on Thursday night. By then all of the smarmy brood of Trump offspring will have spun their tales of praise for their creator. HRC will have been conclusively proven to have inked a pact with the devil himself to get fluoride into the nation's drinking water. And Topo Gigio will have finally appeared on nationwide TV once again under a huge spotlight and swirling fog. Yes, the only thing left will be for the Dear Leader to turn the faithful loose to break the shop windows and burn all the books.
Dean (Stuttgart, Germany)
My thanks to the New York Times for pointing out all the things wrong with the Republican Convention. Had I not read the NYT, I would have mistakenly thought that its been a pretty good convention so far.
Pete B. (North America)
Hilarious! That made my day. What would we do without the New York TImes...?
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
If you thought it was a pretty good convention, then you must not have watched any of it. Or you've been brainwashed by Trump and are, like all the rest, no longer capable of rational analysis.
True Observer (USA)
Trump Tax Return

What is certain is that liberal media will find some item in the 5 foot thick tax return and make hay out of it.

Some innocent item that looks bad and only experts can understand.

The NYT does not have to worry about Trump paying his taxes.

The IRS collects taxes. That's all they do.

If somebody pays zero tax, that means they owe zero tax.

The US laws decide how much you pay.

The IRS makes sure you do.
Robert (Out West)
Axly, us commies just wanna know three things, all based on the Donald's constantly bragging about how much he's worth, how much he gives to charities, and how much he hates offshoring jobs.

How much is he worth?
How much does he really give?
How much income does he make overseas?

By the way? One of your boy's loud claims is that the system is rigged to privilege the rich, so that guys like him do NOT pay their fair share in taxes. And the louder he gets, the more we suspect that there's a darn good reason he lied about publishing his tax returns.
Deus02 (Toronto)
No, Trump does not want to divulge his tax return because it will finally divulge once and for all that he is not near as wealthy as he claims to be. The fact remains, if you just did a little homework, you will see that all the buildings in which his name is on the top, in the vast majority of cases he had very little if any equity in the buildings and contrary to his rhetoric, his income came from management fees and promotions NOT actual monetary investment. One thing about Trump, he was always a good promoter, not much else. Without his name, he is nothing and under no circumstances does he want that exposed.

The trouble is nowadays, he has many ongoing lawsuits with former partners because his name is now an albatross around their necks and while he does his little run for President act, he is ignoring his obligations to those partners from which he extracted significant sums of money. There is a lawsuit going on presently in my city where the builder and owner of the building who secured the Trump name and management services is suing Trump for dereliction of duty. Trump had no equity in the land or building whatsoever.
The present owner is going to sell the building so the new owner can remove the Trump name, for potential investors, the Trump name is now mud.
EinT (Tampa)
Please explain where I am supposed to list my net worth on my tax return. Because I can't find it and must be doing something wrong.
commenter (RI)
Make sure to read Jane Mayer's New Yorker piece this week to find out what kind of person we would have if Trump is elected. A man with the attention span of a gnat.
SuPa (boston)
The Republicans are reaping what they have sown.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
Which on November 9th will include the White House.
Alan Brown (Cedar Falls, IA)
I am absolutely appalled at the way the convention has gone these past two nights. I had to stop watching because it got so ugly. I plan on voting for Hillary but even if I was a republican and I was excited to hear what the plans for the future were that Trump was offering, I certainly wouldn't have gotten it at the convention. Trump's make America safe, work, etc themes seemed almost like he was going to unveil some of his ideas, not that I would have believed him, but instead it turned out to be a trial for Hillary. The problem with it is that the speakers, whoever they were, are down in the mud with Trump so they deserve each other.
CL (NYC)
Donald Trump is just like the Wizard of Oz. All you have to do is pull back the curtain. What you will see is an old man pulling levers to create smoke and mirrors.
1420.405751786 MHz (everywhere)
will trump float away in his hot air balloon too
Heddy Greer (Akron Ohio)
Yes. And when the Evil Witch of the West (or Arkansas or Illinois or NY) gets a little truthful water splashed on her this campaign, she will melt aware.
DHH (Connecticut)
The comments in the comments section on this election are now boring and predictable. The reporting, is also predictable - but more than that the NYT narrative about Trump eventually losing at whatever juncture has not only been predictable its been wrong. The only thing I am sure of is that more people on both the Democrat and Republican side have felt that their voices were heard this primary season. However, those voices on the Democrat side, Bernie supporter voices, were dismissed and pushed aside by the Democratic machine. The Republican silent majority voices actually still have their voice as much as the Republican machine tried to silence them. And for that Trump will be repaid in votes.
Deus02 (Toronto)
The problem is, looking at the Republicans platform, it is clear, in order to get those votes, Trump has been lying to the people you describe. Once he starts receiving money from the Koch Bros, and others of their ilk, he will disregard his so-called rejection of TPP and other trade agreements and become like every other establishment Republican.

Both parties are in a shambles because in the Washington/New York bubble they have remained totally out of touch with what is happening in the mainstream society of America and yet, they STILL sit back and wonder why all these protests and disruptions have been happening?
Stephen Kurtz (Windsor, ON)
United we stand, divided we fall could well be the theme of both conventions but I'm hoping the Republicans fall farther than the Democrats.
CMS (Tennessee)
Republicans have identified Clinton, and by extension, all Democrats and left-leaning Independents, as "the enemy." THE enemy.

I'd really like to know how that's patriotic, not divisive, and Christian.

Do tell, Republicans.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
You realize that in less than 5 days the Democrats will be in Philadelphia, identifying the Republicans and right-leaning Independents as "the enemy" yes?

Seriously Liberals...
apexadam (Washington)
Can a registered independent give a reply?

The Democratic party is a proponent of Statism, Utopianism, and Socialism. By virtue, those worldviews are in complete opposition to the founding of and constitutional law established for for the liberty and freedom of US citizens.

Therefore, all such abrigations of freedom, threats of classism, cultural warfare, racism, anarchy (see riots), leaning into despotism, and at not the least, discompassionate selfishness is the pure enemy of liberty.

The secular progressive worldview is an abject failure, threat to future generations, and provides no hope as it only creates a chasm of handouts over hand ups, entitlement over responsibility, and anarchy over law and order. That in essence, is its premise.

The war is against Tyranny beset by Ignorance.

-Holocaust survivor immigrant son.
CMS (Tennessee)
But you have no proof of that, "counselor." Just your own fiction. That word has not been uttered by Democrats toward Republicans in a microphone on a national stage, and you know it.

So don't be coy.

THE enemy. As un-American as it gets.

I look forward to Clinton smashing the birther candidate in the debates. According to the polls, so do a majority of Americans.
Simple Sam (NJ)
How long will you keep discussing if Mrs. Trump 'plagiarized' Michelle Obama?
Who cares?
Also, your message is heard loud and clear; you hate Trump and the Republican party.
I just wonder how many different ways you can say the same thing and if you really still believe you are not biased and slanted.
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
Your message is clear too: you hate libruls and willfully accept all the constant lies of Trump. You don't care about all the things wrong with him, and all the ways he lies to you, and how he is completely unsuitable for president. You just want to make sure a woman never gets to be president, and apparently, that the fool Trump takes over instead and destroys our nation permanently.

I'm curious as to why you hate American and women so much, but most likely you wouldn't be able to explain it.
TJ (Virginia)
Is the purpose of this comment board to post something pithy, compassionate, and intellectual that proves how superior the poster is to the dullards who might vote Republican? I missed that. I will come back and post something both witty and cerebral that lives up to my Ivy/Little Ivy education, to my sociology professor's efforts to enlighten me as to why all things bad are the fault of white heterosexual Christian American businessmen, and that clearly puts that ol' Republican world in the American southeast in its place. Just give me a minute... need to out-do the other posters who have taken all the easy shots.
Jim (Atlanta)
We are waiting. Pithy enough for ya?
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
Well surely, anyone who swallows Trump's constant lies has got to be several cards short of a deck. Or the dullest tool in the shed. And what's wrong with mocking that, unintelligence, particularly willful ignorance, is a bad thing and should be mocked.
TJ (Virginia)
Dan, I was actually mocking the Times readers' smugness self satisfaction. It's OK to assert that Trump is a shallow thinker playing on people's worst traits and fears - that's not what appears here. What I see here is a snarky pseudo-intellectual hubris that will not serve us well and is not becoming. Hillary will win but if the left become dogmatic and closed-minded too then where are we?

Jim, keep waiting... I couldn't possibly out do this bunch.
Gerry O'Brien (Ottawa, Canada)
America: Be careful what you wish for, it will come back and bite you in the …

An earlier NYT article claimed in a startling disclosure on the first day of the convention that Trump’s “allies and aides proudly portrayed him as the heir to the disgraced former president’s [Nixon’s] law-and-order message.” Trumpet drew explicit comparisons between his candidacy and Nixon’s. Moreover, the article adds: “In emulating Nixon, Mr. Trump has chosen an unusual and tarnished figure as a source of inspiration.”

Ah yes, Nixon and Dubya are tied as America’s worst presidents, Republicans both, like Trump. What heroes to emulate!

Nixon was impeached and Dubya should have been impeached. America’s own WMD, including Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld, these “Warriors of Mass Delusion,” bamboozled the government into their glorious plan of war on Iraq based on lies of non-existent nuclear arms and are responsible for wasting a fortune in treasure and lives in the process. And Nixon, well he also wasted a fortune in treasure and lives in the unpopular Viet Nam war.

Americans have always loved populist leaders like Reagan and Dubya. And what are the results? Since their reigns, the American middle class and poor have suffered greatly while the moneyed interests have grown wealthier. America can expect more of the same and likely worse in the populist Trump should he become president.
Deus02 (Toronto)
Unfortunately, and as Bernie Sanders has proven over and over again, the constant Republican mantra of little government and low taxes has brought the country to its knees, yet, there are still far too many that continue to buy in to this simplistic, outdated notion. The Republicans forget to mention, of course, that low taxes, means primarily low taxes for the corporations and the rich at the expense of everyone else along with the countries infrastructure and economy.
MyThreeCents (San Francisco)
Probably so, but...

"If cancer could be blamed on any 2 individuals, the GOP would blame president Obama and Hillary Clinton."

On the other hand, the Democrats would blame Bush and Cheney.
Ingrid (Earth)
Only the democrats would be correct.
Anthony N (NY)
To MyThreeCents:

I'm a Democrat, and of course would never blame Bush and Cheney for cancer, or anything else for which they were not responsible. Therefore, I do blame them for the deaths of thousands of American military men and women, the injuries suffered by thousands more, and the deaths and injuries of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Some of that blame also lies, at least indirectly, with those - Democrat and Republican - who supported the invasion of Iraq. This includes Donald Trump who, despite his lies to the contrary, in his only public statement (on the Howard Stern show) supported that invasion.
Robert (Out West)
Try taking out "cancer," and putting in "Iraq War."
Martin (Germany)
It's the greatest show on earth... A full three-ring circus, now even involving a little pony...

What worries me is that - not matter what happen, no matter what lies he tells - people NEVER question him and are still voting for him. But Hillary has to check every word out of her mouth three times or there will be a "scandal". I guess this is a symptom of the "It's okay if you're a Republican" illness hat has befallen the U.S. since the 90's.

What I would do, if I were Hillary, was to buy 100.000 copies of "The Art of the Deal". Then have an army of volunteers highlight certain passages in the book (where DT writes in his own words that a businessman can never be trusted, e.g. "how to renegotiatiate any contract") and send these copies out to people in the media.

But I fear even this won't work. DT would probably say "Look how the sales of my book have soared! It's YUUUUGE!" and people would accept that. I think the problem is not with DT, it is with the average American citizen.

Ordinary people have been conditioned to react to certain phrases in certain ways. Their brains have been turned into mush by highly paid psychologists. Now you just need to hold out a carrot ("Make America great again") and show a stick ("Benghazi!") and - voila - you can get anybody elected, even DT.

I feel so sorry for the U.S., it is truly heartbreaking to see the once proud citizens reduced to lemmings, jumping off the cliff shouting "U.S.A! U.S.A!"...
Ingrid (Earth)
Danke
Lou Good (Page, AZ)
Certainly Gov. Christie should be familiar with criminals in government as the indictments against members of his administration continue to pile up with no end in sight. A literal traffic jam, if you will.

In the spirit of this Republican campaign, perhaps he can plagiarize Nixon's famous "I am not a crook" speech when next he waddles on stage.
apple nut (america)
Mr. Trump's candidacy is like a fake Yelp 5 star Ratings Restaurant which showcases cheap food, fantastic ambiance, Yuuge Menu, great service for all you can eat buffet for the GOP voters who will dine there this fall which would result in a sever case of constipation which would require a triple enema to get it out of their system.
Chris (Chicago, IL)
Not sure of the precedent for this, but how was it that after all of the chest thumping and swagger about how the nomination was basically owed to him, Trump couldn't even be bothered to show up in person?

I guess they wanted to continue the theme of stealing the work of others by reenacting the Big Brother screens from 1984.
marvinfeldman (Mexico D.F.)
Mr. Mitch McConnell, Mr. Paul Ryan, Mr. Reince Priebus: Mr. Donald Trump. psychopathic spewer of lies and hate; regurgitated out of the bowls of the Republican Party is now your nominee for President. Would either of you gentlemen wish to cover my $50 bet that Senator Hillary Clinton will become
President before the Polls close in California?"
Susan (Piedmont)
That's exactly what will happen, which is why voting in California is a waste of time.
Heddy Greer (Akron Ohio)
You might be right. After all, Bill promised Loretta Lynch she'd be the next Supreme Court justice while on a tarmac in Phoenix if only she'd get Comey not to recommend Hillary be indicted.

Of course, Hillary already promised the job to Michelle if she could get Barry to get Biden not to run.

But I forgot, the Democrats only want to serve the "little people" and are paragons of virtue and honesty.
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
Heddy Greer, making up a lot of blatant lies only proves your point, whatever it was, to Trump followers. But for Trump followers you could have just said in all caps, "lock her up", and "der juden es verboten", and they'd start chanting right along.
Jack M (NY)
Many Americans left behind.

The privileged at the top have unfairly wrapped socially accepted convention and perceived value tightly around their own elitist skill set - in a dismissive manner that perpetuates an exclusive hold on power - and contrary to what many experience in their personal lives.

Many look around their personal circles and don't see that the most intellectual one in the room always has the right answers; that the one with the most Temperance always gets the job done; that the one who professes outward Fairness is any different than his neighbor when you get inside.

They know Trump is an openly arrogant bully. They don't want to marry him. They just want him to get the job done. They want him to be their bully; working on their behalf, using the endless drive and street smarts for their benefit -as he has demonstrated he is more than capable of so far.

That is why nothing "sticks" to Trump. You are emphasizing anti-intellectual, crude, unprofessional politically Trump - emphasizing what everyone knows anyway - the trade-off that everyone has already made - instead of addressing the perceived risks. That is misguided and a gamble.

As the risks intensify - and they seem to be on a weekly basis; as you distance more and more people that don't cling to exactly your elitist, self serving, superficial definitions of what is valuable and virtues; you near a tipping point when enough people will be willing to make the exchange.
Robert (Out West)
Sorry you're this infuriated with the kinds of people and ideas that created the Declaration and the Constitution.

Us elitists, however, are still good to go. It may be because we worked our tails off, got an education, and continue to learn stuff. Sorry again that you find that elitist.
Magpie (Pa)
Robert:
Us elitists? That's rich!
Jack M (NY)
The commensurate advantages deserved by what you mentioned have been superseded. There have always been advantages to being in the elite circle, either through having been born into privilege - to whatever relative degree - or through earning it. The problem is when the people at the top take advantage of being there to rig the system to their advantage to a degree of such exclusivity that it devalues any other skill set or position other than their own - and that skill set largely being knowing and being connected with the right people and circles. Bernie also tapped into this from another direction. You deny at at your own risk.
KellyNYC (NYC)
When do we get to see the no-longer-presumptive nominee's tax returns?
Heddy Greer (Akron Ohio)
The same time we get those Goldman Sachs transcripts of Hillary giving the bankers Hell.
Matty (Boston, MA)
``Trump voters aren't looking for professionalism, party unity, coherence, or qualifications.``

These people are the same people who loved Saint Ronnie Trickle-Down and are now in fear of THEIR future.
These are the people who gladly, smugly vote against their own economic interests.
These are the people who CALL themselves conservative, but they are not conservative because of what they believe. They call themselves conservative because the want others to think they are conservative. And they want to believe themselves that they are not `liberal.`
These are the people who furiously and gladly wished to take that wrong turn in 1980. And this country still has not recovered from the economic damage that republicans have wrought.
Max Deitenbeck (East Texas)
I love the talk of people angling for the 2020 Republican nomination. It seems most people outside of the Trump camp know how badly he will lose. But, will he go away after he loses? Wouldn't it be wonderful if Trump continues to be an albatross around the Republican neck? Come November he might not be done with his part in the destruction of the Republican party.
CVP (Brooklyn)
The truly frightening aspect of the Trump nomination is the fact that whether or not he becomes the next president, there will remain, in this nation, millions upon millions of citizens who believe that he is qualified for that office.

These are your neighbors and friends.
Ray Russ (Palo Alto, CA)
Glad I jumped the GOP ship of fools before things got so despicable. Now it's just dark entertainment.

Can't wait to see how Lyin' Ted and Little Marco slither into the lap of the confirmed nominee this evening with their speeches.

back into the fold with their speeches this evening.
Magpie (Pa)
Just positioning for the future, Ray.
Sydney (New Jersey)
They will talk about anything except their actual plans. Tax cuts for the rich, freeing constraints on Wall Street, cutting social services, taking control over women's health, isolationism, racism, religious tests, more and more wars. This is the platform of the GOP.

All the loud Hillary-bashing is a shell game. Rile up gullible followers like a lynch mob, so they don't see that they are being robbed blind. Honestly, it's so transparent they should be embarrassed, except, sadly, it's working.
MyThreeCents (San Francisco)
So will Clinton's VP be, in reverse:

"[Trump's] VP is boilerplate Republican Establishment..."

We won't know till Saturday who Clinton will pick, but Tim Kaine will be the guy. Several very big donors have gone to bat for him, while others -- who don't donate much or anything -- have gone to bat for others.

I wonder which group Clinton will listen to.

Kaine has had it in the bag for quite some time now. It won't be official until Saturday, but that decision was made by Clinton (or "for Clinton") long ago.
Heddy Greer (Akron Ohio)
So, inquiring minds want to know, who did Goldman Sachs pick as their Democrat VP nominee?
steve leone (south jersey)
sarah palin is probably having second thoughts about not showing at this convention.

look at all the 'fun' she is missing.
M (M)
Tax returns? Trump will NEVER release them. He knows he will lose in November, so why bother?
1420.405751786 MHz (everywhere)
th strategy worked so well for romney he figured he would do it too
Edgar (New Mexico)
The Republican National Convention is more like an episode of a reality show gone bad. I get it that white people are mad. I get it that they hate Hillary. Do they have solutions? No. Do they have unity? No. Is this convention going to help the Republicans? In the past I would have said yes, but after the Sarah Palin fiasco, it has become apparent that rabid histrionics only get you so far. There are voters out there who are turned off with that vitriol. Putin is probably smiling.
EinT (Tampa)
So by voting against someone, that means I hate that person?
Pete B. (North America)
Given the all the dire predictions leading up to this convention, it's remarkable how muted and impotent the so-called discord has been thus far. The conventional wisdom several months ago was certain that a political bloodbath awaited this convention.

Where are all the riots? Where's all the unmitigated chaos? Where's the uprising from the Republican establishment denying Trump his nomination? Where's the spectacle of a convention floor mired in a virtual cage match?

What you have are old-guard, Republican stalwarts sitting at home sulking, those who have capitulated to the new guard moving about like defeated conscripts, and the news media focusing on plagiarism from the candidate's wife, oh my! If anything, this has been a yawn fest compared to the apocalyptic scenarios peddled about by all the media experts.

Once again, Trump has proved the establishment oracles wrong.
Jim (Atlanta)
Trump himself forecast riots if he were to lose the nomination. Now that it is his, the Republican faithful are either meekly towing the line (spineless) or staying out of sight.
Grove (Santa Barbara, Ca)
The party of greed and selfishness, tempting and enticing the darkest aspects of human nature to come forth and sieze control.
It is very easy to allow the worst to take control.
It can take a serious commitment and act of will to rise above it and do what is right.
It is the age old battle of good vs. evil.
JC (Houston, Texas)
Google "Hookers for Hillary". Now bikers for Trump. Stop being so judgmental and listen to people's positions--even if you are uncomfortable with how they look or dress or act. Treat the Hookers for Hillary and the Bikers for Trump with the same respect that you would treat a gay, a transgender or a Black Lives Matter representative.
dmead (El Cerrito, CA)
Amazing: Ted Cruz and others setting up for 2020. Now that the nation has resigned itself to candidates campaigning literally from one election to the next, we now have them breaking the constant-campaign barrier by starting even before the first one is held.
Jack (Asheville, NC)
Republicans are united by who and what they hate rather than by what they love. Their only prescription for America is a proscription "Not Hillary." How sad, How disturbing! Perhaps this is why they all need to own assault rifles.
tom (oklahoma city)
Wow! He can get his kids to say nice things about him in public. That is proof of his character. Good enough for me and my kids.
Lawrence (Colorado)
The plagarism incident in Mrs Trump's speech and the sophmoric excuses that followed demonstrate,yet again, that Trump campaign and the GOP respect neither education nor personal responsibility. Then there was the prayer address where the invited Christian pastor called Trump's political opponent, Hillary, "the enemy".

May history call this the whirlpool convention. The one where the GOP and their chosen con artist gurgled down the drain.
Cowboy Marine (Colorado Trails)
Cesspool.
RPM (North Jersey)
Where are Trump's taxes?
MyThreeCents (San Francisco)
True, Trump spends a great deal of time lambasting Clinton, running essentially on a platform of "Hillary's a crook. I'm not Hillary, so vote for me."

But isn't Clinton running on exactly the same platform, in reverse?

Clinton is lucky, in a way. Trump may call her a "crook" and a "liar," but he doesn't make the criticism that she deserves most: She's just mediocre. Trump doesn't say that, for two reasons:

1. Calling your opponent "mediocre" doesn't stir many voters to support you.

2. The same could be said about Trump.
Matty (Boston, MA)
So, his children can operate construction equipment?
Seems like they`re playing the ``We`re just like ordinary people`` card, when it is clear they are not.
Heddy Greer (Akron Ohio)
And Chelsea got a $600k NBC job despite no experience and a $10.5 million starter home with her hedge fund husband.

But Hillary's just "regular folk."

The Left is so gullible.
Elliott Jacobson (Claymont, DE)
It seems to me that the Trump campaign is in the midst of a slow but unrelenting coup d’etat engineered by the very establishment of the Republican Party including its power brokers, opinion leaders, fundraisers, major donors and their candidates that Trump had thought he had defeated and who would like to send Donald Trump to Pluto. First came one Paul Manafort who eased into the campaign innocuously enough only to quickly rise to the undisputed campaign boss. Then came the list of potential Supreme Court nominees, none of whom I am certain Donald Trump ever heard of or whose views he understands, but that he nevertheless announced would form the group he would draw from when a vacancy on the Supreme Court materialized. Now comes Governor Pence, the ideological, physical, religious, cultural and money driven embodiment of what the Republican Party has evolved into. The coup will continue to metastasize into a Trump Administration should he win leaving Trump surrounded by the acolytes of the very people he thought he had defeated and pondering the profound differences between managing a business and governing a nation.
Safe upon the solid rock (Denver, CO)
This convention seems to be a hate-fest for Hilary more than anything else. Hearing an angry mob chanting "lock her up" is not my idea of the leadership I expect from a major political party. The GOP has an opportunity here to outline its vision for a future for America, along with an agenda, policies, and legislation to achieve that vision. Instead, all we get are crude "lock her up" chants. I suspect the GOP lacks that vision, so has nothing to share, and that under Trump the GOP leadership has decided an angry mob is now the only source of its votes and has decided to get in the mud with the mob.
James Els (New Orleans)
I can unequivocally state that in my lifetime Trump is the worst candidate for President by either party. He offers nothing, because he changes every position according to what red meat of his base wants to hear. I've never thought he's particularly that smart except at being a demagogue now and earlier a carnival barker. I'd venture to say that if his tax returns were released, we'd find out he's never donated a dime to any organization. We'd be able to extrapolate his real net worth is 1/10 of what he brags about. He's fleeced of thousands of people along the way. He a sadist.

As a combat veteran, I take my loyalty to my country seriously and I feel that Trump is a dangerous person to have in charge. World leaders cringe at the thought. I realize Hillary doesn't appear very strong, but she's been personally attacked by the GOP for 30 years! The Benghazi debacle was a farce, because in the end it had very little to do with HC. The GOP continuing to use the sound bite out of context 'what difference does it make' after a 11 hours hours of testimony is pathetic and so is her use of a private server as many member of Congress use and former Secretaries of State have used also. Just google how many similar Benghazi attacks happened on W's watch. If cancer could be blamed on any 2 individuals, the GOP would blame president Obama and Hillary Clinton. I just hope in my heart of heart's the country wakes up in time to save our nation from a category 5 hurricane named Donald!
jane (ny)
I disagree: Hillary appears very strong to me. She's survived muckraking Republican inquisitions from Whitewater to Bengazi...on the home front she's survived the very public humiliation caused by her husband's philandering.......cops and firemen boo her in public....(blue-collar guys are like Trump when it comes to women). She might appear weak to you because she has manners, but she's an iron fist in a velvet glove. I can't wait to see what she can accomplish as President.
sophia (bangor, maine)
Hillary did not make the comment, "What difference does it make now?" (and, as you say, it is repeated completely out of context) at the 11 hour testimony. She made that comment in an earlier committee hearing, soon after the attack. She was wearing the dark-rimmed glasses after taking a fall incurring a concussion. I think it is one of the reasons she was completely calm at the 11 hour hearing. She knew she couldn't allow them to 'egg' her into another comment like that.
MyThreeCents (San Francisco)
To point out that 721 Republican delegates don't support Trump is just leading with your chin. Isn't that a lot smaller percentage than Sanders supporters on the Democratic side?
Linda M. (Sudbury, MA)
How about an apology to Michelle Obama? Shouldn't that be forthcoming?
Tony P (Boston, MA)
The dissent indicates the Republican party hasn't completely lost it's collective mind.
Bruce Jenkins (Twinsburg Ohio)
Another night of no idea's, a Trump trademark. Only Trumps family can actually speak up for him and we now know Mrs. Trump had to plagiarize Mrs. Obama's convention speech to find the words meant for President Obama to express her feelings for her husband. A hollow sound at best just like Mr. Trumps promises that he won't keep, but I don't blame her, Mr. Trump will use anyone to further his hate filled campaign.

On a night advertised to address jobs for Americans, the convention "slimed" its way towards a hate fest, another Trump trademark.

Chris Cuomo from CNN finally started pressuring Manford with the truth and accused him of lying about the plagiarized speech. What does it take to get the media to actually do their job.
tulipsinyard (canada)
Dear America,
on the outside, we're grateful for the continued spectacle. When this began, we thought: no way, The Trump is going to fizzle, Americans are saner than this. But like some excellent champagne, you managed to keep the air in this nutty campaign. And now it is bubbling over.

I for one am binge-watching this show. How will it end? Will there be a golden escalator in the White House? Will Trump Jr. be the Secretary of State, or will Rudy? Will there be port-a-potties in the camps set up to interrogate brown people about Sharia? Will Donald's Wall be as high quality as his steaks?
Vanessa Hall (Millersburg MO)
So - When is Trump going to release his tax returns?
Dan Mabbutt (Utah)
My nomination for "Most Glaring Hypocrisy" of the convention so far is the speech by Rudy Giuliani where he said, "I am sick and tired of the defamation of Donald Trump by the media and by the Hillary Clinton campaign!"

I almost swallowed my teeth! If ANYTHING is the hallmark of Trump's entire campaign, it is the vile defamation of anyone who dares to puncture an ego that is bigger than outer space. Trump uses meaningless schoolyard names for all of his opponents. Over and over and over again. Just like a six year old bully.

And Giuliani also gets the golden Pinocchio for the biggest lie with the next sentence. "Trump is a good man!"
Neil (Los Angeles)
Amen.
roger (white plains)
Guiliani is not a good man. Having vanquished the windshield wiper criminals in NY he like to take credit for bringing law and order to NYC. What he did was herd homeless folks into the subway tunnels where they could hide, not provide for those in need. That is not cleaning up NY, it's hiding it and denying real problems.
EastCoast25 (Massachusetts)
In this most awful election year in decades, one thing more dangerous than a Trump presidency is a permanent one-party system in America.

The ability to empathize with another's opinion even if it differs from one's own is a root cause of this climate which gave rise to an inability to compromise on both sides of the aisle. That ability to compromise is at the very heart of governing and a balanced government. A government where you don't always get what you want, the way you want it or demand it.

Blame goes all around the Democratic and Republican table for the outcomes we're living with today. We need a centrist revolution candidate and a centrist party.
John Geek (Left Coast)
are you kidding? Clinton is right-of-center, its just that the right wing loons in the republican party have drug the 'right' marker SO far off the edge that the percieved center is somewhat to the right of Atilla the Hun.
John LeBaron (MA)
Welcome to the days of "Mourning in America."

No doubt Paul Ryan is ruing the day he agreed to assume the role of House Speaker. His role puts him in a spotlight he is ill-equipped by character to handle effectively. He has shown himself to be spineless when the leadership chips are down, demanding a strong stance on the critical issue of the hour, the selection of our President and Commander-in-Chief.

So far, this Convention has been more about the putative dastardliness of Hillary Clinton than about Donald Trump or any GOP vision for a better America. Indeed, there has been no such vision since Ronald Reagan's "Morning in America." Today's result is such a relentless demonization of Clinton that no Republican will ever again speak, let alone work, with her. How could they after she is painted as Lady Macbeth incarnate, even though she *is,* after all, Caucasian?

As for Chris Christie, what a noble figure of unifying leadership! Last night he gave the only kind of performance of which he is capable, making the ever-upbeat Rudy Giuliani look positively statesmanlike by comparison.

www.endthemadnessnow.org
Ivy (Chicago)
The more vile the comments the more fearful the democrats must be.

If this election is such a cake walk for Hillary, why all the dissension?

Trump's adult children are immensely poised, well-spoken and widely available to any media outlet. Trump is always available.

Hillary's whole campaign hides from its own fawning press and tries to make the whole election about gays and BLM.

Every poll has Trump leading in double digits on who is better equipped to deal with the economy, jobs and the fight against terrorism.

If the electorate is fixated on BLM, union bosses, transgender bathrooms and nothing else, Hillary could have a chance.

I'm glad the Trump campaign is talking about school choice for ALL. Democrat pols strive to keep parents from choosing better schools for their children. Democrats don't give a damn about the inner city kids who risk safety just by walking to their mandated slum schools with no expectations. You know what Dems? The parents who DO care about the safety and results of their school children are not going to vote for the party who demands that they be kept in slum schools just so the teachers unions dollars keep flowing into democrat coffers.
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
The problem is, Trump has no idea how to deal with the economy, jobs, the fight against terrorism, or anything else. The problem is he lies constantly, has no experience, and has no policies that could work or make sense. And the biggest problem is so many people willfully delude themselves into buying all of his ridiculous lies.

Melanie wrote that speech for Michelle Obama in 2008, right? All by herself. Keep deluding yourself, if he gets in and America crashes and burns, make sure to feel guilty for being so brainwashed.
Jeffrey (California)
Why are no Republicans coming out against a convention that is calling for the arrest of their opponent? Do they not see the horror of this attitude? The impossibility of governing if Hillary Clinton wins, and the incitement of revolution they are condoning by their silence?

People can disagree with her. She obviously is a hard-working public servant. Having calls for her arrest at national convention go unanswered takes us further down the line of obstruction and incivility that has been the hallmark of the recent Republican party.
An LA Lawyer (Los Angeles)
I don't recall one speaker in two nights refer to the words "communities" or "environment." Across the spectrum of the GOP, the convention fails to remind us that there are serious philosophies, from moderate to tea party to libertarian to ultra-conservatism. Each philosophical approach to ties to a set of policies that have been articulated along the way by its advocates. Wealthy supporters pour millions of dollars into think tanks which belch out economic, social, and foreign affairs analyses that underscore and bind the ideology together. Whether one agrees or disagrees, the divergent views are out there in research memos, press releases, and not-so-best-sellers. But they are not at the GOP convention, which is devoid of substantive discussions about the "again" that America should return to or the policies needed to get us there. "Make America Great Again" is the equivalent of Back to the Future, a high-speed ride to nowhere with no substance except hate of the opponent. In the first 90 days of a Trump administration, there would be no "The only thing we have to fear. . ." and there would be no closed door Dick Cheney meetings with oil company executives scheming to control more land in Iraq. There would be chaos and inaction: American government would be stagnant again.
fastfurious (the new world)
Pundits flattering Trump today about how great his kids are & how they reflect on him should do their homework.

There are umpteen articles online about the Trump kids, some w/ interviews w/ them & their mother. One stands out - a 2004 NEW YORK magazine interview w/ Don Jr., Eric & Ivanka. Trump was an absentee father who spent their childhoods working. Don Jr. makes a good case they were actually raised by their grandparents, Ivana Trump's parents Milos & Marie - Czech immigrants who moved in & lived permanently w/ the Trumps after Ivana married Donald - who basically raised them. The children spent 4 months every year in Czechoslovakia w/ Milos & Marie on their farm, reading, fishing & hiking. Without their father. Don Jr. says his grandfather Milos acted as father to the 3 children.

Trump was outted by NYC newspapers in an affair with his girlfriend when the Trump kids were 12, 8 & 4. Trump publicly humiliated their mother, complaining to the press she no longer interested him sexually & disparaging her breasts. The children lived in the eye of that media scandal, fed by Trump who adores publicity. They said the experience was weird & shaming. Don Jr. didn't speak to his father for over a year.

Trump became close w/ them once they were old enough to work in his business. It's fine they're so loyal to him but a decade ago they described him as a cheating, self-involved, absentee father who didn't protect them from scandals he intentionally created.

The media is lazy.
SMB (Savannah)
The way Trump sons killed big game animals and held up the bloody trophies is pretty horrible actually. This doesn't seem to be a group that cares about the environment or conservation.
Wendi (Chico, CA)
The only bright light from this RNC hate fest is the fact that 721 delegates would not cast a vote for Donald Trump. That Ben Carson referred to Hilary Clinton as a devil worshiper is the definition of insanity.
PMAC (Parsippany)
It boils down to -- Trump a smart businessman or Clinton -- an inexperienced woman who has no clue and has already repeatedly lied to the people. I am putting my money on the businessman -- we have everything to gain! Politicians are ruining this country and the American people deserve better.
Danny (Crystal, MN)
I wish your characterization was accurate. Ot is not.
Zejee (New York)
How smart is he? How many bankruptcies? The American people deserve better than Trump OR Clinton, whose entire campaign seems to be "I'm not Trump."
Renee Jones (Lisbon)
You're actually serious.

We're still cleaning up the mess the last "businessman" left us, which includes several thousand dead US military and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, all from a pack of lies.

HRC, meanwhile, is a former senator from New York, twice-elected, and a former Secretary of State, with solid plans for strengthening the middle class; check out her website and make sure you have an hour. It's that detailed.

Your hero Trump, meanwhile, with his four bankruptcies, thinks Saudi Arabia ought to have nuclear missiles, has expressed admiration for Kim Jong Un, and thinks women and girls who relieve themselves of pregnancies violently forced upon them should be legally punished for doing so. He also re-tweets messages created by white supremacists. He has said he knows ISIS better than do US generals.

And that's who you want. Not HRC, who seeks to reward your labor, but Trump, who simply wants to win a contest.

Your comment is a chilling example of the power of right wing propaganda.
Anthony N (NY)
I really hate saying this. Some of what was said over the last two days, the tone in which it was said, and the crowd's reaction to it, is the closest thing to a bund rally I've ever seen in the US.
Shelley (NYC)
The moral compass of our country went full tilt last night. Make America hate again. Truly sickening a reality has been actor is even considered to be the leader of the free world. I'm embarrassed for my country. We are now officially the butt of a joke. Relieved my parents aren't alive to see this 3 ring circus.
Jim Y (Philadelphia)
Given Ben Carson’s revelation that Hillary is an acolyte of “Lucifer,” the mob’s offer to merely “lock her up” is surely a sign that Republican moderation survives. Why not the guillotine? Why not a good old stoning? (Oops - a little too “sharia”?)

This is truly shameful stuff – maybe “fun” for Christie throwing red meat into the half-empty hall – but I hope, uneasily, that persuadable voters at home can see this for what it is: The mainstreaming of American fascism.

To the Bernie purists: Get real. Let’s elect Hillary and hold her accountable for the next four years. She’s far from perfect, but we’re in real trouble with Trump.
Dwight M. (Toronto, Canada)
In a country of Grifters, the one eyed Grifter is King!
jacobi (Nevada)
Hillary is guilty.
memyselfandi (Spokane)
I agree. Hillary is guilty of being experienced, capable, and ready. She is guilty of being a woman. She is guilty of holding the best positions on almost all matters of policy. She is guilty of being respected in the world. We definitely should lock her up as one who might infect others.
Susan e (AZ)
Guilty of what? Do you want to suspend the Constitution and deny her due process? If not, the DOJ needs to charge her and convict her if you want to lock her up. I've thought for years that Bush and Cheney should be locked up, but Obama wouldn't even investigate them for their treasonous war crimes and collaboration with the Saudis. They are REAL criminals and will never be prosecuted for locked up for causing the death of millions of innocent people with their invasion of Iraq. Hillary looks pretty tame by comparison.
jacobi (Nevada)
@ Susan Guilty of lying about Benghazi, guilty of lying about the e-mail server. Guilty of destabilizing Libya and essentially giving it to ISIS. Guilty of the Syria mess resulting in massive human misery. Get it yet?
Jack M (NY)
Many are trying to wrap their heads around the Trump phenomenon.

The reflexive approach is some "har har" comment about how dumb Republicans are. But dismiss millions of people who think differently than you at your own risk.

To me, the answer lies in a movie script.

We are so accustomed to a facade of socially accepted virtues, that we deny lesser socially accepted "virtues": Ambition; Drive; Courage - to take risks and ignore failure; Resourcefulness - to capitalize on opportunity; Devotion - in the sense of protecting your own.

If these "base" virtues are not coupled with some outward genuflection towards intellectualism and social convention, we deny their social acceptability; their effectiveness as a standalone package.

However, in times of perceived great risk, many are willing to forgo social convention and the reassuring trappings. The difference between Republicans and Democrats is not their perception of Trump - it is the perception of how desperate the situation is.

Listen to Commodus as he speaks to his his father, the Roman Caesar, in "Gladiator":

"You wrote to me once, listing the four chief virtues. Wisdom, Justice, Fortitude and Temperance. As I read the list I knew I had none of them. But i have other virtues, father. Ambition, that can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness. Courage. Perhaps not on the battlefield but there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to my family, to you. But none of my virtues were on your list..."
Robert (Out West)
You DO know that that is a fictional character, and that the actual Commodus died in a bathtub decades after the events depicted, yes?

Just so's ya know, us commies are good to go with all those traditional virtues. They're precisely what we admire in guys like Gandhi and King: the smarts are just icing.

It's stupidity, ignorance, pride and arrogance and greed that we have a teeny bit of objection to.

Which brings us to the topic of Donald Trump...
Jack M (NY)
@Robert

Many Americans left behind.

The privileged at the top have unfairly wrapped socially accepted value tightly around their own elitist skill set - in a dismissive manner that perpetuates an exclusive hold on power - and contrary to what many experience in their personal lives.

Many look around their personal circles and don't see that the most intellectual one in the room always has the right answers; that the one with the most Temperance always gets the job done; that the one who professes outward Fairness is any different than his neighbor when you get inside. They know Trump is an openly arrogant bully. They don't want to marry him. They just want him o get the job done. They want him to be their bully; working on their behalf, using the endless drive, and street smarts for their benefit -as he has demonstrated he is more than capable of so far.

That is why nothing "sticks" to Trump. You are emphasizing anti-intellectual, crude, unprofessional politically Trump - emphasizing what everyone knows anyway - the trade-off that everyone has already made - instead of addressing the perceived risks. That is misguided and a gamble.

As the risks intensify - and they seem to be on a weekly basis; as you distance more and more people that don't cling to exactly your elitist, self serving, superficial definitions of what is valuable and virtues; you near a tipping point when enough people will be willing to make the exchange.
slightlycrazy (northern california)
melania seems more honest in this version, trying at least to be responsible, but she was in over her head, saw this not as a personal expression but a role to play with a script, probably is crosswise with the 3 big kids, and was basically hung out to dry.
801avd (Winston Salem, NC)
Yeah well then she should have read the speech written for her or stayed home. Life is tough.
Lynne Lew (Seattle)
Melania should not have said she wrote her speech. She lied about that part, it seems now.
Cowboy Marine (Colorado Trails)
Not that Trump has a snowball's chance of winning, but if he did, it would be interesting to see how he'd divvy-up the posts of Secretary of Defense, State, Treasury, etc., among his children. I believe that like the Romneys, the Trump family has a 100% pure record over every generation since arriving in America of avoiding military service, so I'd be especially interested in seeing which Trumps would be Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, and the Veterans Administration. And no doubt that when reviewing American troops, a President Trump would insist on decking himself out in a brightly colored military uniform with huuuge gold epaulets and a chest full of medals like his role models Mussoulini and Stalin did.
KB (WILM NC)
In a recent state by state analysis of the Electoral College Clinton has 296 votes, Trump 246, so its still competitive, Clinton is not a fait accompli by a long shot. Her negatives among men are astronomical. See you in November.
MsPea (Seattle)
Mrs. Trump's speech could have been so easy to explain away, if Mr. Trump could ever find his way to an apology. The whole episode of plagiarism would have been forgotten in a few hours if it had been handled correctly. All they had to do was remind the public that English is Mrs.Trump's second language. They could have said that she wanted to add her own thoughts to her speech, so she took what she was given by the speech writer, researched what some other candidate's wives' speeches and was inspired by Michelle Obama's speech. Mrs. Trump can't be expected to know the rules of attribution, or that she can't lift whole paragraphs of another speech. She wasn't educated in the U.S., she never had a high school English class, and she's not a public person who regularly gives speeches. In the rush leading up to the convention, no one reviewed her speech, and so it was what it was. With a simple explanation like that and a simple apology to Mrs. Obama, the whole matter could have been explained away. It's too bad that Trump only makes things worse for himself with his refusal to ever admit a wrong or apologize for anything. He can't help sabotaging himself every chance he gets. What a loser.
memyselfandi (Spokane)
But plagiarism is wrong in Europe, also. She did attend high school and a year of university there. Admittedly she failed two courses and did not continue, but by freshman year university students are well aware of the rules of attribution and the consequences of failing to do so.
Andrew G. Bjelland, Sr. (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Pillory Hillary! That's their sole game.
No positive message. The GOP's lame.
Unfair, unhinged, knowing no shame
The GOP simply regurgitates blame!
fastfurious (the new world)
Trump's claim "It's not a campaign! It's a movement!" is wrong.

It's a mob.

We saw that last night with the chants of "Lock her up!"

This election is a fiasco and it's not close to over. This is going to go further into the sewer.

Most of those with wisdom & the courage of their convictions abandoned the people of this country - on both sides. This makes a guy like John Kasich - so far right I could never vote for him - look like Sir Thomas Moore.

There's plenty of cravenness, dishonesty and irresponsibility to go around. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz isn't as corrupt as Reince Preibus - but that's not saying much. The Bush family and Mitt Romney are making a wise choice not endorsing Trump - but saying they're not going to vote because Hillary's worse is a lie, they know it's a lie and it's an abnegation of a right that our soldiers die in order to protect. It shouldn't be given up so cheaply as a show of partisan disdain.

Romney, the Bushes and Kasich should all say they're going to vote for Hillary Clinton - or tell us in detail why not. Romney and Jeb Bush have spoken publicly about how completely unqualified - and horrifying - Trump is. How that allows them to sit out an election instead of voting for an alternative - these longtime public servants - I know not.

Chris Christie couldn't come up with a good reason to support madman Donald Trump on CNN except "Hillary's a criminal."

We all must do better than make spiteful, puerile choices.
Daylight (NY)
Amidst a fog of dishonesty and denial, it's finally official. And absolute shambles.

Well deserved, GOP. Having planted your ideology in the fertile fields of Chernobyl, don't be dismayed at the glowing franken-pumpkin that's emerged from the soil.

The only thing more depressing than this GOP fiasco is that, somehow, the polls are still even.
JR (Chicago, IL)
Last night, I heard a lot of yelling to "lock her up" (which sounded, chillingly, too close to "hang 'er high!") but I heard absolutely nothing about what Donald Trump would do for the U.S. economy. Did I miss something? I believe last night's theme was "Make America Work Again." May I then assume that Trump actually has no plans to make Trump products in the U.S.?
801avd (Winston Salem, NC)
Hey it would be basically a very low level and short lived entertainment if any of the Trumps attempted any American manufacturing enterprise. Their dissolving fortunes are founded in overpriced real estate, bad bets in the gambling industry and its attendant real estate, appallingly bad taste and an endemic, narcissitic attitude. This poison seems to resonate with some other American idiots who like to make lots of noise and so forth.

Here's what I would do with a Trump product:
Hang up on it.
Ignore it.
If it gets pushy shout it down.
If it it gets more pushy, blow its head off.

Make America Great again. Get rid of Donald Trump.
bestguess (ny)
Melania grew up in what was then Communist Yugoslavia. Do any Republicans wonder how "her" words about her parents teaching her as a child that your word is your bond, work hard and you'll succeed, etc. supposedly came from this background? Most immigrants I've known from old Communist countries describe a very different, and darker, experience. Too bad she couldn't have talked about that, instead of lifting the words of a woman who had an entirely different childhood.
Zejee (New York)
Who knows what the original speech might have been.
William O. Beeman (Minneapolis, MN)
The discord in Republican ranks pales in the face of the mob-level attack on Hillary Clinton led by Chris Christie and Ben Carson.

Christie's "prosecution" of Hillary was ridiculous--counter-factual, specious and utterly devoid of any responsibility. Christie blamed Hillary for all of the troubles of the world. Leading the crowd in chants of "Lock her up" was frightening. I was waiting for the torches and pitchforks.

Ben Carson's absurd linkage of Hillary with Saul Alinsky's satirical reference in one publication to "Lucifer" as the original social rebel was over-the-top. Carson all but implied that Hillary was a devil worshiper. If the American GOP electorate had not already proved them to be devoid of any discretion in factual reasoning, the comment would have been laughed off.

The media made these two crazy demonizing attacks the centerpiece of their reportage for the second day of the convention almost without comment, thus implying that they were somehow "true."

I was appalled both at the original remarks and the irresponsible journalism.
jane (ny)
I feel that if it weren't for irresponsible, venal journalism, concerned only with ratings and pleasing their advertisers, Trump's candidacy would have been last year's news. The Media owns this Frankenstein.
Jacqueline (Colorado)
What is it supposed to mean when a journalist tells me that an election is a choice? I've heard this line repeated by NPR, NYT, and now Paul Ryan. How moronic do the political class and journalists think the average American is? I mean, duh it's a choice, what else could it possibly be. However, I keep hearing this line about the election being a choice as if that is supposed to give me some sort of nuanced information.
Robert (Out West)
Uh...the reporter was reporting what Paul Ryan said.

See the lil' funny marks around the words? The ones that Melania forgot to use?
mj (santa fe)
My 90 year old mother, who like my dad would always watch both conventions to help choose, was thrilled to find a Chicago Cubs game on television last night. She confessed, "I can't help it--but I'm watching the ballgame. These are such awful people! Who are these people?!"

Instead of explaining, since it is incomprehensible to me, I encouraged her choice and told her to try the oldies movie channel tonight. Because the best news is: we don't have to watch. Or have any part in it. Simply vote when the time comes--far and away from these people. You can watch in mortified amusement if you wish. I recommend movies and baseball.

Because we should all get it by now. There is no republican platform. They aren't a viable candidacy. For anything.

All over but the shouting. So let them shout. It's what they do. It's actually nice they're contained there. At least we know where they are and how to easily avoid them.
Anthony N (NY)
To mj,

I did the same. And as a NYer I was happy to see the Mets hold on to win 2-1. That bottom of the ninth was great baseball - no outs, bases loaded, and the Mets pulled it off.
jane (ny)
I preferred to watch horrible accidents on Youtube....
mj (santa fe)
Funny Anthony N...today my mom said she'd stayed awake for the whole game. Disappointed in the outcome, she said, "but it was a really good game! So much better."

Than the convention, of course.
angel98 (nyc)
Fodder for satire, yes. But, I think it's worth remembering that dangerous fools and dross have risen to the top, seemingly against all odds.

I am still waiting for decent Republicans to develop a spine and just say, NO!
Jim (Atlanta)
"I am still waiting for decent Republicans to develop a spine and just say, NO!"

Too late for that. Now it is up to the rest of us.
angel98 (nyc)
You are right.
But it's so mind numbing to know that politicians are such pathetic wimps who will sell their soul (and their country) for a brief glance in their direction from Trump of all people.
GK (Pennsylvania)
The Republican convention so far has been little more than a Hillary Clinton hate fest. Vision and optimism are MIA. Instead the GOP has exploited the raw grief of a grieving mother who lost her son at Benghazi . . . reveled in Rudy Giuliani's unhinged personal attack . . . and okayed a speech that compared Mrs. Clinton to Lucifer. To borrow a famous chant from another convention, the "whole world is watching." And what the world is seeing is a party without principles--or any right to lead.
Marion Novack (New York)
I am the daughter of German, Jewish holocaust survivors and for the first time in my life, I fear for my beloved USA. Trump's hateful, bigoted comments blaming Hispanics, Muslims and undocumented immigrants for our nation's problems and the primary election support by more than 13 million of my fellow citizens to his candidacy is reminiscent of what my parents recounted about Hitler's early rise and is truly frightening.
This is the most important election in my lifetime and I urge everyone to register to vote now and to turn out on Election Day.
Apathy in this election puts Trump in the most powerful position in the world and keeps bootlicking Republicans in control of Congress. Hillary's lies and missteps pale in comparison to Trump's rhetoric and character. Your vote is your voice and it matters like never before.
jane (ny)
Check out Politifact.com....a Pulitzer Prize winning site. Apparently Hillary is only beaten by Jimmy Carter when it comes to truthfulness.
kilika (chicago)
It would be nice if the NY Times would print all the GOP governors, senators and congressman who refused to show up at the convention.
robert s (marrakech)
I delighted and happy not to have watched any of this republican stupidity.
Susan Wladaver-Morgan (Portland, OR)
The candidate's wife steals Michelle Obama's words; the campaign steals Queen's music (We Are the Champions); the candidate himself peddles fraudulent products, bilks those who purchase them (Trump University degrees) and cheats creditors and workers. And Hillary belongs in jail?
ez (PA)
Ben Carson suggests that Hilary Clinton is a student of Saul Alinsky. The same can be said of Donald Trumph, although I doubt he ever read Alinsky's writings he follows some of his principals for community organizing in his political tactics. From Winkopedia:
"In Rules for Radicals, he (Alinsky) notes that this tactic fell under two of his rules: Rule #3: Wherever possible, go outside the experience of the enemy; and Rule #4: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Trumph certainly uses unorthodox tactics and is quick to ridicule his opponents e.g. little Marco, low energy Jeb etc.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
The same can be said of Barack Obama.
Yet you support Obama unconditionally.

Hypocrisy, thy political convention starts next week.
Pecan (Grove)
Are you proud of your party, DCB?
Robert (Out West)
Not rationally, it can't.

And the bit about our "unconditional support," is just silly--not just because the President (he is, you know) has constantly been criticized by us Lefties, but because it's hilariously obvious that a pretty big chunk of the GOP actively loathes the Donald.
LiveAndLetLive (NY)
How about a round of applause to all the nannies, housekeepers, butlers and boarding school teachers who raised Ivanka, Donald Jr, Eric, Tiffany and Barron. By all accounts they did a fine job. Honestly, the children who spoke last night did well but The Donald receiving so much credit by media pundits this morning for how well they turned out despite the 3 marriages compared to other upper East/upper West side millionaire/billionaire NYC offspring is telling. Who do they think they're kidding? They got the best of everything money could buy which is their right, but don't act like they're some blue collar family. Sure the kids seem to work hard - as they should - in their chosen careers - but they had one heck of a leg up compared to most everyone else. One pundit called Trump a blue collar billionaire. Wow - I bet blue collar workers can really relate.
memyselfandi (Spokane)
A blue collar billionaire? He got his start with a loan of millions from his father.
How many blue collar workers attended a military boarding school and an Ivy League university?
SMB (Savannah)
I don't regard it as turning out well when a pleasurable activity for the Trump sons is big game hunting. There are photographs on line of them with their trophies - a dead cheetah draped over the arm of one of them, while the other brandishes the tail of an elephant that he has just cut off an endangered animal that he slaughtered. This is affluenza, and kids who cannot work on their own.
DaveB (Boston MA)
You mean blue collar kids don't get a million dollar loan from daddy?
Joe Barnett (Sacramento)
They have nothing to offer the American people, Trump has no experience in government, his business acumen is plagued by the ghosts of bankruptcies and bad deals, illustrated by thousands of law suits and so he has based his race on racism and hate. So far the entire convention has been poorly managed, which makes you wonder what the country would be like by March of a Trump Presidency. The conventions focused has been BOO be afraid, be very afraid and make sure you hate Hillary.

Nothing about his policy and why it would be different than the last time the Republicans ruled the White House. I guess they don't want people to remember how they crashed the economy into a lot of peoples homes and 401(k) accounts. They don't want people to remember how we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a week, so instead the complain that jobs haven't been created fast enough, or good enough to make up the damage they did in 2008.

The same is true of the war(s) in the Mideast. Bill Clinton had helped us avoid that quagmire, but the Republicans fabricated intelligence to drag our country into Iraq thus destabilizing the region.

The result is that most Republicans don't want Trump but they have been scared into not wanting Hillary even more. Three decades of intense negative advertising have had their toll. Smart voters will see through this and recognize the Presidency is a complex job and it is better to have someone there who has had experience required.
angel98 (nyc)
I find myself checking the masthead every few seconds, to check that I'm not reading The Onion.
ggk (California)
So it is now official - Donald Trump. At a time when the rational and reasonable on both sides of the political spectrum agree that the country needs a unifying and positive spirit, the GOP puts forth someone who cannot even unify his party. He speaks only of "winners" and "losers" and is the ultimate my-way-or-the-highway candidate - he doesn't even trust his advisors. Why? Because "I have a good brain" --- if he squeaks out a win, the country will be in critical condition for years to come.
Otto (Miami, FL)
Hillary is the "unifying and positive spirit" that you seek? Sheesh. The DNC convention is going to also be interesting to watch.
John (Brooklyn)
Actually, there is a lot of policy the GOP talks about. Most of it is centered around preserving the American Dream, and they are the party that is the keeper of that endangered flame. I urge all Times readers to vote Republican this fall and to share the GOP's message of hope, positivity, and freedom with all.

Thank you.
JWL (Vail, Co)
LOL!
McK (ATL)
Nice try, but no thank you.
angel98 (nyc)
Isn't it grand! Isn't it fine! Look at the cut, the style, the line!
"Isn't it ohhh! Isn't it ahhh! Isn't it absolutely wheee!
Look at the King! Look at the the King! Look at the King, the King, the King!

Ad nauseum!
Patrick (Long Island N.Y.)
The Television industry is a big step closer to having their man in the Oval Office where he will protect a highly addictive industry that starts Kids with cartoons and wastes peoples free time for many decades of their lives.
S Mudambi (New York)
Are you going to cover trump Jr's excellent speech or you just don't want to talk about it.
fastfurious (the new world)
I'm a democrat voting for Hillary.

Carl Bernstein just said on CNN Trump won't release his tax returns because Hillary not releasing speech transcripts is an equivalency that works.

We're at this place because the DNC locked her in before any candidates announced.

The Democratic Party should be democratic enough it's nomination can't be decided by the DNC. A smart politician as compromised as Hillary (recently took Wall Street millions/FBI investigation) knew she couldn't credibly run for president this year w/out risking the party's future.

Lying is Trump's M.O. but 65% of the public thinks Hillary's a liar who should have been indicted. Trump's campaign points to facts saying "That never happened!" while Hillary's responses to falsehoods/legal & ethical challenges are "It's what they offered." "I never did!" "You mean like with a cloth?" while refusing to hold press conferences. Her excuses: "They've been after me for 25 years!" & "They hate me because I'm a woman!" - no different in kind from Trump claiming his lies are only partisan attacks.

I believe we're going to lose this election. Since Monday, Carl Bernstein, Mike Barnacle, Mark Halpern & John Heilemann have said Hillary is the only democrat Trump can beat.

We've allowed this to happen. The DNC & the Clintons chose not to 'allow' the voters a free democratic slate because "what do those peons know?"

The Democratic Party must change or it's future is in jeopardy just as much as the GOP's is.
JWL (Vail, Co)
We will beat the Vulgarian if Democratic voters turn out to vote. We have a quality candidate, as opposed to the unqualified piece of walking pathology proffered by the GOP.
CLSW 2000 (Dedham MA)
You are citing the wrong people to believe. Bernstein can probably go either way, but Halpern and Heilemann are hit men for the Republicans, and after their becoming famous for their book about the last election, are promoting their brand. Barnicle's wife is an important executive at Bank of America. We in Boston know him well for fabricating stories. My favorite quote from him in 08 was that Hillary reminds him of the shunned wife standing outside a divorce court. He is horrible and despised in Boston. Don't watch Morning Joe for anything like truth.
fastfurious (the new world)
@CLSW 2000 - Halpern & Heilemann have written two credible campaign books that showed what a broken corrupt facade the GOP is. We have them to thank for telling us the real truth about how unqualified & mentally ill Sarah Palin was in 2008, how close she came to destroying McCain's campaign Disparaging Halpern and Heilemann as GOP hit men is ludicrous.

We have Carl Bernstein to thank for blowing the whistle on Richard Nixon & helping remove him from office for his crimes. Without him and Bob Woodward, Nixon would have remained in office. Bernstein reportedly spent a decade writing his excellent biography of Hillary "A Woman In Charge" which I found largely sympathetic to her. Everything I know about her independently confirms his portrait of her. To claim Carl Bernstein, a respected journalist, could 'go either way' and vote for Trump is ridiculous if you've listened to him on Trump. Bernstein seems genuinely sad Hillary's the Democratic nominee because I think he's convinced Trump is going to beat her & this was an avoidable mistake made by the Democratic party. Bernstein has not endorsed any candidate in this race.
Elizabeth (West palm beach)
I sometimes fantasize about physically dividing the country and just letting the Repubs have at it. (We'll jointly build the wall. We will split the expense.) They could enjoy their sexually repressive, open gun-toting, science-denying, all "Christian", regulation-free, bootstrap-pulling, racist society by themselves. But......I wouldn't want them to have any part of the military. We would have to develop a treaty that prohibited them from getting nuclear weapons.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
As a Black lawyer in Washington DC sometimes I have to predict things to win a trial, a skill I perfected back in Cambridge Massachusetts as a law student when we sat around in The Square predicting Red Sox wins and World Series titles.

So I have a prediction.

1. Next week the Democratic National Convention will be as nasty if not nastier, with chants erupting from the Democratic revelers about everything from Mr. Trump's hair to offensive jokes about his wife (because liberals just love minorities right?)

2. The NY Times won't call the event gloom and doom, White privilege, even though Hillary and her VP will both be old White people. Instead the NYT will portray the DNC as some sort of historic, wonderful event.

I'd take bets but since I'm not wrong, it wouldn't be fair to win for winning's sake.
Marc Sullivan (Dungeness, WA)
Thanks for your predictions about the Democratic convention. It's interesting that you prefer to make disparaging predictions rather than comment
about the Republican convention.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
It's almost a diction error to call them predictions.
I should call them guarantees.
I have already commented on the 2016 GOP Convention in a previous comment. It's been wonderful, and Trump's Monday Night Entrance was the greatest moment in the history of televised politics in America.

Don't be surprised if you see another Donald Trump running for President in the future. The kid lit the nation up last night. And that's our generation.
Lynne Lew (Seattle)
I'm betting that the DNC will play outtakes of Trump's comments about Mexicans, reporters, the disabled, women, how protestors should be beaten up, etc, and let them speak for themselves.
Mike Vouri (Friday Harbor)
Call it Hategate.
NYer (NYC)
"Donald Trump Claims Nomination, With Discord Clear but Family Cheering"

This headline could apply to virtually ANY political convention within memory, no?

And own "family cheers" nominee? Now, THAT'S really "news" worthy of the lead headline in a "major" news-source!
Q (Portland)
Where are his tax returns?
EinT (Tampa)
In which box to I insert my net worth into my tax return?

Tax returns won't show anything. You could own all of Tesla's stock and have net worth of $26 billion. Your taxable income would be $0.
Dixie Doodle (Cotton Fields, USA)
The choice, my friend, could not be clearer. Americans who value law and order will cast their vote for Trump. Americans who value lawlessness and disorder will vote for Clinton. It is as simple as that.
Kim (NYC)
The Trump Republican Party, Trumpism or whatever you wanna call it, is essentially the old Southern Democratic/Dixiecrat party. Very conservative socially to the point of espousing racial superiority (Steve King as an example) and causing little uproar amongst its members, but economically rather liberal (anti globalization, anti free trade, isolationist). We've seen this all before. The old Southern Dems have just taken over the Republican Party. If you are a true republican, you wouldn't even consider voting for trump, but because he has an R next to his name, many will, sadly.
Craig Ferguson (Hamilton, Ontario)
I largely agree with the fact that the agenda is more liberal than the liberals who would continue to say they are for the average worker, but support low-wage, globalist (capitalist) agendas to exploit workers.

I will take Trump's vision of the good old days over this globalization experiment, that soured and died years ago.
RichD (Grand Rapids, Michigan)
So, Ryan says he wants a "reformed" tax code that "rewards free enterprise?" Huh? Talk about double-speak!

I'm glad he said it, though. It shows clearly that the Republican Party is not the party of all of the people, and doesn't even want to be. They are only the party of the employers, and they work solely for the owners of businesses, and not the 95% of us who work for them because we own no resources of our own.
DecliningSociety (Baltimore)
All you need to know about progressive politics from Hillary Clinton Times and its drones: When the Republicans do it, its filthy, racist, criminal, and an abomination. When the Democrats do it, its pure, inclusive, righteous, and uplifting.

Thanks for the attempted thought control, but I'll be voting for the candidate that offers the best chance to preserve our unique American opportunity. I have had my fill of hope and change.
JWL (Vail, Co)
If you vote for "Trump the Vulgarian", you are taking giant steps toward destroying society as we know it.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
Which would be a welcome change if Trump merely takes steps towards destroying society as we know it. For the last 8 years, Barack Obama has been sprinting towards destroying America.
McK (ATL)
I have had my fill of unique, American opportunists.
Concerned (NYC)
We are watching the decline of the Republican party. We want to here the party platform not Hilary bashing. Rather than erecting a tent to attract our diverse electorate, we are witnessing a multi ring circus replete with a huckster as master of ceremonies, disingenuous party leaders, stooges and a mother whose real grief was co-opted. The whole world is watching.
Ultraliberal (New Jersy)
The single most common Denominator of Conservatives is their fear of change, that is why most are are religious & carry it on their sleeve & why most treble at any attempt to tamper with the Constitution.The word evolve is a form of profanity, & is not to be spoken or given thought.That is why there is such division in the Republican ranks when it comes to Trump. He is a puzzle to conservatism. Is for a Party of God or agnostic, is he for Gay rights, or does hold he hold to the scriptures that being Gay is an Abomination.
Will he do what ever he can to outlaw Abortion ,or is he secretly for Women’s choice.In other words what can we expect from this maverick when he is in office, will he comply with the Republican platform, or discard it.The Conservative establishment did not elect him in fact most deserted him, they were forced to nominate him because the people wanted him, because of this he is a free agent. if elected,he may become the worst disaster that has befallen this Nation or the best thing that ever happened.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
Another false narrative from the NY Times.
This morning in the Times, I found this headline:
"Black Republicans See a White Convention, Heavy on Lectures"

As most of you know, I am a Black Republican.

Initially, I was supposed to be in Cleveland as a Washington DC Delegate for the Republican Party, but some deposition/pretrial stuff kept me here, so I've been watching the coverage at home after work.

I am so totally okay with the convention. Donald Trump's entrance Monday night was the greatest moment in the history of televised political events. Yet the NY Times, once again, presents a fallacy as a headline and cherry picks scant evidence to "back it up."

Not all Black Republicans are dismayed or discouraged. I am a longtime Trump supporter, who left the Democratic Party after meeting Obama in 2004. This is exactly what should have happened in 2012.

For the sake of courtesy, I will correct the NYT.
"Some" Black Republicans feel dismayed and lectured to.
"Others" do not.

Is this newspaper ever going to be honest?
CathyZ (Durham CT)
You make a good point, not to lump one demographic all together. There is more than one group of African Americans in this election cycle in terms of political viewpoints, and the NYT should remember that.
That being said, you are in the wrong group sir.
Dochoch (Murphysboro, Illinois)
It's their party and I'll cry if I want to.
Chris (nowhere I can tell you)
Love Curt Smith's line. "Some staffer screwed up, let's move on." In a Trump White House, how often are we going to hear that repeated?
TheBronx (New York)
Donald Trump should be a guest speaker at the Democratic National Convention. They could fill hours with ignorance, misrepresentations, flip-flips, and extreme positions from his recorded interviews/speeches. Let his own words destroy his candidacy.
R (New York)
So far the only positive sounding message at the convention (other than Melania's plagiarizing of Michelle Obama's convention speech) was Tiffany Trump's speech. Donald Trump is the standard bearer of the GOP in negativity and hatred of Hillary Clinton.
JWL (Vail, Co)
To the "lock her up" crowd, don't you think if they could they would? Fact remains, she is guilty of nothing. Director Comey would love to help you out, but guess what, no case. Millions have been spent trying to prove a negative, but it hasn't happened.
The GOP cannot extol their candidate, so they attack his opponent. The show being put on by the right is embarrassing at best. If this is a preview of what they have planned for the country, it's substandard, fourth rate drivel.
Ray B (NJ)
Listening to Chris Christie and Donald Trump venting like road rage induced maniacs to "lock her up" makes me think an investigation into Trump and Christie's cozy relationship in light of Atlantic City casinos, tax breaks, bankruptcies and the shady underworld of the NJ gambling industry. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire and that is a lot more smoke than email servers, Benghazi. Vince Foster and Watergate combined.
TMK (New York, NY)
What a truly amazing all-American accomplishment! Trump dragged himself under the GOP fence, broke repeatedly into their house, incredulously started claiming he was one of them, kept at it incessantly to anyone who would hear, until finally yesterday, he got his amnesty and much-coveted GOP green card.

No wonder Trump has so little sympathy for illegals: after his own grueling journey, theirs probably feels like a cakewalk. That sympathy best left to Barack and Hillary, let them work on making America green card again. For Trump, it's now all full-speed going grr to great. Yeah! Go Trump!
tony (portland, maine)
I have conspiracy theory.........Donald actually works for the Onion......Really. This whole thing was supposed to be just written in their news site but someone said " let's just really do it". So they did....
Ricardoh (Walnut Creek Ca)
I read the comments of Democrats and I am reminded of whistling while walking past a cemetery.
Daniel Holt (NYC)
The problem is, this may all make no difference. Trump voters aren't looking for professionalism, party unity, coherence, or qualifications. They're angry, alienated, and see no meaningful hope for a better future. Voting for Trump gives them a channel to express their rage. Nothing at the Convention will change that.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
As a Black lawyer in Washington DC, working on Capitol Hill and a Trump supporter, I can tell you that professionalism, coherence, unity and qualifications are at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue often.

But then when I leave to return to Capitol Hill, it's back to the same old Obama status quo of incompetence.
EinT (Tampa)
Elections are about winning. Professionalism, party unity, coherence, and qualifications are great but if you lose, what's the point? May as well be an admiral in the Swiss navy.
Larry M (Minnesota)
Can see why you support Trump. Self-aggrandizing, egotistical jerks have a tendency to gravitate toward one another. Can generally be attributed to a broken moral compass.
Larry Thomas (Sparta, Illinois)
Just think, in 10 years time, how many of those delegates will claim they were part of the Never Trump movement.
vova (new jersey)
The power of dumbed down society is just phenomenal.
mjbarr (Murfreesboro,Tennessee)
Just what we need, the party of hate.
JS (USA)
The news video for one second focused in on a bracelet/watch Ivanka Trump wore on Day 2 of the Convention. It reminds one that most if not all the Trumps on stage that night are Billionaires.
ChesBay (Maryland)
The Jeckyll and Hyde routine wrought by the New York Times, during this week of chaos, has been enlightening. They may think they are being even-handed, but they should reconsider their questionable decisions.
Andrew G. Bjelland, Sr. (Salt Lake City, Utah)
IT IS NOW OFFICIAL:
GOP NOMINATES GARGOYLE

Trump the quite crazed gargoyle,
Down from his Tower came
His public to despoil
And yuuge crowds to inflame.

Since descent so tragic
For one and all of us,
Donald works his magic
Best on those who mock, cuss,

And angrily explode
Besmirching those around.
Hence such a heavy load
We sane to bear are bound!

Trump the quite crazed gargoyle,
Before his crowds does prate.
He sells his crude snake oil.
It's quite a concentrate:

Just stir and mix with hate,
Then quickly drink right down.
His dupes all think it's great!
They'd give to Trump a crown,

If crown they could bestow.
Since such is not the case,
By votes they'd bring us low.
The nation they'd disgrace.
angel98 (nyc)
It appears the media is experiencing the "dog days of summer" aka the "silly season". With that in mind can we hear more about the police in downtown Cleveland being ordered to go after people with tennis balls but ignore people with guns and assault rifles. No, I didn't read about it in the Onion and as far as I know it was never a Monty Python sketch.
Greg (Seattle)
The apparent new slogan for this campaign, based on the viewing of the conventions speaker thus far, is "Make America White Again." Taking it a step further, not just white, but white heterosexual conservative males who will help women, people of color, and the LGBT community find the party's intended place for these individuals in our society: nowhere.
Bill (Fairbanks Ranch, Ca)
Republicans seem to have developed a taste for authoritarianism. America is a democracy and we have elections and freedom of speech. We don’t lock up the opposition or threaten candidates with perp walks and orange jump suits. Someone should remind Christy and Giuliani that it sets a bad tone when former US Attorneys threaten political candidates with prison and fire up the GOP base to go after their opponents with red-hot pokers, tongs, and pitchforks. In America, we can disagree without being disagreeable. Torturing or water boarding political opponents is off the table no matter what Trump says.
Ashutosh (Cambridge, MA)
Its the time when the Republican convention and American politics turn into a reading of the Daily Mail.
mutineer (Geneva, NY)
A confederacy of dunces.
KMW (New York City)
So the NYT is calling the election for Hillary Clinton. Do they have a crystal ball that is telling them that she will be our next president. Donald Trump has a very good chance of winning and is running neck and neck with Mrs. Clinton. If there are more police killings and terrorist attacks (heaven forbid) the election could be Mr. Trump's.

I think the Republican convention is going fairly smoothly considering all that it had to endure with so many Republican candidates vying for the presidential race. Donald Trump may not have been the Republican's first choice but it was wise of them to rally around him in the hopes of defeating Hillary Clinton. She is not to be trusted and is dishonest and deceitful. He may not be ideal but he is far superior to that crooked Hillary Clinton.

I do think Mr. Trump will be our next president as we need our country to turn around in a new positive direction. We do not need four more years of Mr. Ovama's failed policies and that it what Hillary Clinton is proposing. Donald Trump is our hope for a better tomorrow and he can get the job done. I have faith in him as do many others. He will be good for the country and the world.
Jim (Ogden UT)
Some may believe the crystal ball, or seer stones, or astrology provide true insight into the future. However, I think the NYT, Nate Silver, and others who have predicted that Clinton has better chance of winning the election, used a mathematical model based on polling data.
CMS (Tennessee)
"Failed" policies?

By what measure, KMW? Be specific.
RLW (Chicago)
This incompetence is only a hint of the incompetence that will follow in a Trump administration.
WiltonTraveler (Wilton Manors, FL)
The RNC from the beginning has resembled "The Amateur Hour" as much as "The Apprentice." Bad gaffs, unvetted speeches, Trump as brand name rather than as candidate, and throughout it all, nepotism that yields a preview of what a Trump "administration" would look like.

But "The Apprentice" had viewers. The mezzanines and floor stood empty much of the night.

Meanwhile, the Clinton bashing aside, the establishment speakers laid out an argument for a platform and program that basically repeals the twentieth century, not to mention the twenty-first. Let's not forget that this used to be the progressive party of Teddy Roosevelt and also Lincoln. Not any more: there are 18 black delegates and a handful of openly LGBT delegates, all of whom should think about what they're doing there. To paraphrase a line from The Big Short, "It's like somebody hit a piñata full of white people who are bad at golf"—or good, depending on whether one supports Trump or not.
Glen Mayne (Louisiana)
Perhaps Melania sabotaged her own speech on purpose. She really would be proving her loyalty as an American citizen if she helped to save this country from a Trump presidency.
william hayes (houston)
Trump is one of the more liberal Republicans ever nominated for president, and Clinton is one of the more conservative Democrats. Supposedly, the people wanted more moderation and a willingness to find the middle ground. And yet, the number of voters who strongly dislike either Clinton or Trump is stunning. We will wake up Wednesday, November 9, with at least 40% of Americans bitterly disappointed with the results. Almost no chance of reconciliation before 2020.
Kim (NYC)
Trump appeals to the old southern democrat, who never really abandoned his or her economic liberalism (anti free trade, anti globalization, isolationist) but is socially conservative. How else can you explain the racial overtones of this election, BLM, Steve King, etc. if you are a true republican, you would not be voting for a southern democrat. Sad that many republicans can't see this and are voting for trump just because he has an R next to his name.
Wayne Doleski (San Francisco)
"Make America Work Again?" I hope voters have time to review employment numbers under both recent Democratic and Republican administrations.
Beth! (Colorado)
It was a Trump family affair above all. But more entertaining was the Chris Christie send up of Robespierre in his mock Hillary trial by mob. "Guilty!" cried the mob to his every question, regardless of how lame the premise or the evidence. I kept looking for Madame Defarge, but I think she was out getting her hair died blond -- or is that blonde with an "e"? I am a natural blond myself, and I haven't seen so many blondes in one crowd since I was in Stockholm last May.
Tim Tuttle (Hoboken NJ)
Welcome to Hate Fest 2016. Christie has always been an attack dog. Carson might be mildly off his rocker. Trump simply has a mean streak.

The Trump kids however have proven that the apple does indeed fall far from the tree at times. They have carried themselves with social grace in this really messy dust-up. I imagine Chelsea will as well.
Liberty Apples (Providence)
Mark the date. The GOP has completed its transformation from the Grand Old Party to the Grotesque Odorous Panderers.
Maurelius (Westport)
Where is Cersei, Qyburn and some wildfire when you need it?
Shaw Gynan (Bellingham, Washington)
Lock her up? What a nasty hoard! We've seen this before: He's an Arab! The vile shouting of a rabid, vicious minority. What an embarrassment for the Party of Lincoln! No wonder so many Republicans reject this evolution, but they've been playing the race card for years. Now their misogyny is on full display. May they all be voted out of office. And may the victors fulfill their word and help the bottom 40%, who own just 0.3% of the nation's wealth, rise up and participate fully in the economy.
Jess (FL.)
Lying Chris!

"Hypocrites, remove the plank from your own eye first, then you will be able to pluck the speck from your brother's eye."

Davis Wildstain, a longtime political ally of the governor, said that he discussed the lane closings with Mr. Christie at the event. Lying Chris doesn't remember...
Yes! "Lock Him Up"!

They all have no souls, no ethic, no consideration, non a minimum interest in the people's interest! Only on them.
@Trump followers:
Do you really think he thinks about you??? Or you just enjoy being the people who gets easily manipulated and easily convinced? Go ahead and make that family rich again, and agin, and again, and again..... Fools!
may21OK (houston)
If anybody is in cahoots with "lucifer", its got to be the guy that has a self portrait of himself with "jesus" painted in behind him lovingly touching his shoulder....
Shar (Atlanta)
A governor who is under investigation by the FBI, and whose top aides have been indicted, calls Clinton a criminal.

A "family values" candidate who has appeared in Playboy and whose third wife posed for skin mags is nominated by the Christian Right.

A Senate Majority Leader brags about refusing to do his constitutional duty and flouting the will of the people for purely partisan motivations.

Who knew Cleveland was in a parallel universe?
A. Stanton (Dallas, TX)
Letter from H. L. Mencken to His Girlfriend
Explaining Why It Is Important For Us To Keep Living Even In The Face Of Disasters Like Donald Trump:

April 16th, 1915

Dear Marionne,

Away with your croaking about the futility of life! That it is meaningless I grant you, but surely not futile. So long as there is the joy of a job well done—whether an epic, a fried egg or a murder—there will be plenty of excuse for remaining alive. The gods seem to have us by the coccyx—but now and then we jump away and give them the larf! This is happiness.

Tuesday, Yours, M.
Sig (NY)
It is disconcerting the level of ignorance and disingenuousness that is propelling Trump. Nauseating to hear Trump Jr. declare the state of education in this country is lacking when he and his siblings only attended the most expensive private schools and the best universities that money could buy all his life, as I am sure his 5 children are doing as well, never even coming close to a public school education. As the TV screen shows, there is no diversity in that family or campaign, to lead a diverse country such as the U.S. Shame, shame and sadness that this election is reaching such low levels.
Eroom (Indianapolis)
It all seems to be about vitriol and mean-spiritedness. It seems the GOP has become so used to the Fox News and talk radio "jeer and smear" style that they can't engage in a reasonable discussion about what they claim to believe in.

It is very difficult to watch when all you hear is hatred, bitterness and just plain meanness!
Karen (New Jersey)
The funny thing is, fox news isn't like that. (Anger and meanness) (Talk radio is, yes) . Progressives have to get smarter about their opponent.

Fox manages to be quite upbeat and very pro American with many warm hearted stories that nonetheless push their own bias. The commentators are warm, friendly, personable and not angry. The news is biased, yes, but the people watching don't know that. The only people presented as angry and scary and mean are the angry left.
rob (98275)
How the plagiarism flap is being fumbled indicates that if Trump is elected he won't take responsibility for mistakes.Because the notion that Trump,as controling as he is,didn't know before hand what was in Melania's speech is hog wash.
And to think that the most chaos had been expected to take place outside of the convention hall.The GOP seems more divided than ever and will be puzzling if polls don't soon show Hillary with a widening lead.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
Can you name a mistake Barack Obama has ever taken responsibility for? In his entire life? Before you answer that, you'll have to get Obama to admit that he's made mistakes.

And for the record "uh...I shoulda done a better job of explaining things to dumb Americans" isn't admitting a mistake, it's insulting the entire country.
Rue (Minnesota)
The "crooked Hilary" talking point must stop. Not only because it is incorrect, but because it is dangerous. During the Reagan administration there were 10 embassy attacks, a total of 318 deaths including an ambassador and one congressional investigation. During the GW Bush administration there were 13 embassy attacks, 66 deaths including 3 diplomats and no congressional investigations. During the Obama administration there have been 2 embassy attacks with four deaths and thirteen congressional investigations.
Congress should be investigating its own behavior in funding IT in the federal government. It appears to be lacking. As we have moved into the digital age our last three Secretaries of State (Powell, Rice, Clinton) have used private email accounts. Of these three only Clinton has responded to State Department requests for copies of emails and she has provided 55000 pages. Nothing yet from Powell and Rice. It appears that the republicans have honed two skills over the past few decades. One is character assassination of its political opponents (let's hope it doesn't go beyond this); and the second is destroying the faith in government of the American people.
SB (Denver)
Thank you.
Bill Sprague (on the planet)
She and her husband are crooked. They alway have been and they always will be. Will you overlook that just because she's a woman? And he will be forever an adulterer. You don't care and all this foolishness is supposed to be invisible?
bx (santa fe, nm)
you can't be serious that Republicans alone are responsible for "destroying the faith in government of the American people"?
H.B. (NJ)
Looking through the photos accompanying this article, one thing becomes monstrously clear.

Where are the brown people?

They aren't inside the convention hall, that's for sure.
Kaiser (Florida)
i noticed the same thing about no browns,and if Trump is elected we will have a new dinasty in the White House.Wake up America
1420.405751786 MHz (everywhere)
th kitchen
JR (Chicago, IL)
There are a handful and, during roll call, many states made sure they were upfront at the mic.
ALALEXANDER HARRISON (New York City)
A party convention would not be a convention w/o dissenting voices, and all out rebellions against the nominee of the Party. Recall Dem. Party convention of 1948,and the moment of drama when Dixiecrat Party led by Strom Thurmond and Fielding Wright staged a walk out,the fight on the floor between Goldwater's aficionados and liberal leading acolytes of Nelson Rockefeller in 1964, the v.p bid by JFK in 1956 nipped in the bud by supporters of Sen. Estes Kefauver, chaos of 1968 and the failed bid by Ted Kennedy in 1980, and his disgraceful refusal to shake Carter's hand on stage. So, intra party insurgencies r nothing new. What characterizes this year's power struggles is the animosity with which they r waged. Recall seeing Cuccinelli, Cruz supporter, throwing his badge on the floor in disgust, which I thought really took the cake.Cuccinelli is one of the most inept politicians around, unable to even beat McCAULIFFE in gubernatorial race in VA., McCauliffe, who is sullied by his connections to the Clinton money machine. Remains to be seen whether present hostility can be abated,passions decanted, and dissenters will rally to Trump's candidacy. Many would say it is doubtful than such a peace of the brave can be effected between opposing sides in time for the election.
Robert Mishaan (Brooklyn)
Again with the Saul Alinsky scare tactic? Last time around, he was Obama's "mentor". Now, conveniently, he's become Hillary's role model. Hey, it works. No need to be concerned with facts, just give the crowd what they want to hear.
Dan (Sandy, UT)
If many right-leaning talk-show hosts, both television and radio, and some in print, were required to use facts, they would all be out of jobs.
Sad that many people in this country believe what they are told by talk shows without performing their own "fact checking".
Roberto Fantechi (Florentine Hills)
Funny, maybe, for an Italian observer how the concept of 'la famiglia' is getting a stranglehold on the USA, the Bush family for the time being has pulled their reins in but....The Clinton one has a fairly good shot at continuation...The Trump paraphernalia? Even though it might not do it this time around they sure put the troops on display, quite a small army for the coming future. I'll stop here instead of trying to draw easy parallels to our own "la famiglia":)!
Matt (SC)
This election is between a hopeless provincial boor and a crook. What a country this has become.
Brad Blumenstock (St. Louis)
If you feel that way, why don't you do something about it?
human (Roanoke, VA)
The "hopeless provincial boar" is also a crook.
Janice Harding (Mt. Vernon, NY)
I'm assuming by crook you mean Donald Trump who also happens to be a boor. So you are correct. I'll be voting for the intelligent woman in the race.
SMB (Savannah)
There is a heart of darkness now in the GOP. Hatred for Pres. Obama, Sec. Clinton, minorities, Muslims, immigrants, women, gays. In the past, the Swiftboating of John Kerry and the birtherism of Pres. Obama were by the lunatic fringe supported by GOP millionaires and billionaires like Trump. Now this demented hatred is on the stage of a major party’s convention. Like the extreme platform, this is unprecedented.

The mock trial of Hillary Clinton and the cries of ‘Guilty’ were like mobs calling someone guilty before they stone her to death, or lynch someone, or hang a woman as a witch. None of the many partisan witch hunts of Hillary Clinton have found any crime including the FBI. This is not justice, and it is not democracy.

One wealthy woman in early Massachusetts who had sued some carpenters and was considered abrasive was considered a witch. No evidence against her survives, and Nathaniel Hawthorne commemorated her in A Scarlet Letter. One minister said privately that she was “hanged for a witch only for having more wit than her neighbors.”

This is the current GOP, poisoned from the inside. At least some Republicans were decent and rational enough to avoid this spectacle. “In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican.” (Mencken)
Aulelia (Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania)
Love Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter, love that you included that reference in your comment.
Renee Jones (Lisbon)
Leave it to Republicans to scream for tax cuts and then to fight ISIS.

Yes, yes - I need to fix the plumbing in my home. Time to tell my boss I want a lower salary!

Good grief.
ChesBay (Maryland)
To continue the bloodshed in ME, so long as they only send volunteers from the "lower classes" who have fewer employment choices and foolishly buy the notion that their nation will take care of them, but not the sons and daughters of the elite, I guess you can believe that we will be just hunky dory.
KL (Plymouth, MA)
Donald Trump a major party candidate for President. What a terribly sad and embarrassing day for the United States of America.
Anno (Boston)
Never in my 70 years did I think I would long for the good old days of Barry Goldwater
Larry (NY)
Good that you remind us of Goldwater and his complete repudiation by the country in 1964. I'll remind everyone how quickly LBJ destroyed himself and enabled the election of Nixon in 1968. Something to remember if Hillary (who is for sure no LBJ!) wins.
Eric (Long Island NY)
WOW! Another nut job republican! GOLDWATER was willing to start World War III as president! He was insane and you sir are insane for pining for the good old days!
Matty (Boston, MA)
You are witnessing the second coming of the all-or-nothing goldwaterites and they are meaner, louder, insaner, and are demanding more than all or nothing this time.
Chris (NJ)
The GOP thoroughly embarrassed themselves last night in my opinion. Chris Christie's talk was totally inappropriate and further exposed himself as a shameless hack. Paul Ryan continued to build the case for biggest hypocrite on the planet. Last but not least Ben Carson went of the rails with his devil comment. Just when you think the GOP has hit rock bottom, they pull out a shovel and keep digging.
Doug Terry (Maryland)

We need to change the way our country picks its presidential nominees and the Republicans should be first in line (they won't be). In the case of Donald Trump vs. the United States of America, he would very likely not be in the nominee at all except for the Republican primary rules that give ALL of the delegates in many states to the person who gets a plurality, not a majority, of votes in those states. These rules allowed Trump to pick off his milder (saner) opponents one by one until he and Cruz were the last standing.

Most citizens don't concern themselves with how the political gears work, leaving that up to those who carry briefcases on K street in DC (the political, full time wonks, in other words). Well, this is what you get when you aren't paying attention. The Republican rules favor the strongest candidate in the early primaries, which means that New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina are a hundred times more important than the major states that come later. Unacceptable.

How is it that the Democrats offered only two choices for most of this year? However much people loved Bernie and his plans to transform America into a more gentle, caring nation, every time I saw him speaking it looked to me like his head was about the explode. Mrs. Clinton, highly qualified because of her high government service, pulls along a trail of personal baggage that can be seen for miles behind her.

Let's do better. Let's make changes and reinvigorate democracy. Okay?
NI (Westchester, NY)
What a divisive crown! Could'nt get any worse for the Republicans. But there is still hope if they put Country above Party. Vote for Hillary Clinton!
JTS (Syracuse, New York)
There has not been a positive, uplifting moment looking toward a better America at the Republican Convention yet. Everyone there touts it as the Party of Reagan, but at least Ronald Reagan smiled and talked genially about morning in America. This convention has been nothing but a dark "one-minute to midnight" in America, led by a candidate who never, ever smiles kindly or projects warmth.
Matty (Boston, MA)
Yea, the party of the one man most responsible for the situation they find themselves in now.

How is that trickle-down voodoo working out for you conservatives these days?
Betsy Herring (Edmond, OK)
Ah there it is the eternal longing for Father Reagan the Immaculate.
Jason Paskowitz (Tenafly NJ)
I was in junior high school in 1980. Even then, like many people, I saw through Reagan's phony smile and rhetoric.
Aulelia (Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania)
If he becomes president, it's a wrap.
Padmaja (Connecticut)
What a circus! Hang on to your seats! If Trump wins, clearly nepotism will be transparent in the White House as his kids will be running the country!
I am ashamed that the young girls of this country will have a playboy model as the First Lady in the White House as a role model after having a First Lady who graduated from Harvard! Trump himself reminds me of a bully who cheats and lies to get his way! How can any of this 5 children have respect for a father that treats their mother like an object instead of a person?
ChesBay (Maryland)
Padmaja--These days, you can BUY almost anything, even the "love" of children, who have been so carefully taught.
JM (NYC)
Nepotism? What will Bill's role be if Hillary wins?
Jim (Ogden UT)
As I watched the convention last night, I wondered if correspondents, such as David Brooks and Mark Shields, felt like they were wasting their time as they tried to offer an analysis of the drivel and vitriol.
mpound (USA)
The GOP is divided? Compared to what? Are the Bernie and Hillary factions going to have a love-in at the Democrat's shindig next week? I must have missed that news somewhere.
Memi (Canada)
Discord within the GOP camp and the Democrat camp for that matter, are nothing compared to the discord within the electorate and should Clinton prevail in November she and the new administration would be well advised to heed that which has taken the country by storm. Business as usual will not last for long if the people, yet again, are handed empty promises.

The GOP has, for all intents and purposes, given notice they are throwing in the towel and retrenching to fight another day. There is no other way to explain their incomprehensible platform. It virtually ensures that Trump will not win and at the same time, it panders to the base they don't want to lose.

That Trump is a small, mean, man with absolutely no presidential potential is obvious to everyone, but it doesn't matter one whit. It's not why he is the chosen one. He is the only one left standing poking a stick into the eye of the establishment which has ignored, abused, and plundered the good will and hope of the vast majority of Americans for decades upon decades. He's just the messenger.

The disaffection of the electorate has spawned the rise of Trump and the Dems would be wise not to attribute that solely to the problems within the GOP. Should Hilary ignore the message, the people will find something with more agency. It won't be pretty.
Eroom (Indianapolis)
But if Republicans plan to take a stand by continuing their strategy of fear, smear and obstruction.....it will be a very unpleasant 8-years to come.
Michael (North USA)
You are right when you say that the disaffection in the electorate is not entirely attributable to the problems in the GOP. But, much of that disaffection is attributable to the rich and powerful corporations who tell the GOP what to say. It is these corporations that have been responsible for the race to the bottom in terms of worker's wages and job security.........or rather, the lack thereof.
Phyliss Kirk (Glen Ellen,Ca)
if you read and listen to what Hillary and the Democratic Party is saying they have not ignored the message. They actually have plans and solutions to fix what the Republicans have ignored for a very long time.

The Republican Convention is just a Hate Campaign Convention.
Tom (California)
2016 might turn out to be a banner year for our nation....

We lost the worst Supreme Court "Justice" in our nation's history... The man who "rationalized" abhorrent decisions that gave us George W Bush, Citizens United, and flooded our streets with guns...

We will soon lose the worst "news" man ever to disgrace our nation's airwaves with two decades of hate and lies over at FOX Nooz...

And we will likely defeat the worst candidate in the history of our nation in November...

The fact that all of these disgraceful human beings align with the dangerous Republican Party "platform" is no coincidence, Folks.

Sometimes life ain't all bad.
ChesBay (Maryland)
Birds of a feather flock together.
notJoeMcCarthy (south florida)
Trump's coronation last night as the Republican Party's contender in the upcoming election is a huge blow to the modern day democratic ideals.

A huckster who rose to fame on the back of his call to actions which are nothing but racist, says a lot about a party which was born out of the promise to end slavery or the discrimination against certain human beings who were brought to this country bound in chains and shackles.

And now we've a demagogue who doesn't talk about respecting other races but take us all back to an era of new forms of discrimination on the basis of the national origin (Mexicans) or on the basis of the Religion (Muslims).

And the fact that 721 delegates in last night's coronation chose to cast their votes anybody other than Trump, shows the elements in the Republican Party who want change but failed in their bid to sway other delegates minds.

And the fact that Ted Cruz was not at the convention but meeting with his donors and organizers preparing for his 2020 campaign, shows the rift within the party and general feeling within a section of the party that this year's election is already over with Hillary who has a 72% advantage over Trump's 28% chance of becoming the next President.

So all the delegates who chose Trump last night because of their same prejudiced mind as Trump's , here's an advice for you all : America will not go backwards with 50's prejudices. George Wallace is long dead . So is Jim Crow. Trump's campaign will die too, in its infancy .
mary (los banos ca)
The Hillary Haters could still hand it to them. They don't remember Wallace or Crow and they're in denial about the extent and danger of white racism in this country. It was Bernie's big mistake. We have a big problem here and liberal color-blindness has been extremely unhelpful.
RLW (Chicago)
Hope you are right.
ChesBay (Maryland)
Don the Con Drumpf reminds me of Turkey's Erdogan. I hope we don't get a chance to find out.
William Boyer (Kansas)
Clearly from the article and many of the posts here Democrats prefer a convention controlled from smoke filled backrooms by greasy ward heelers and payrollers. Anything that smacks of wild, messy and uncontrolled democracy offends them. I wonder what will the Democrat, establishment controlled, infomercial elevation of Stalin's housekeeper be like? Will the amount of negative coverage, rumor mongering and wild speculation be the same? America will be watching but sadly, I think we already know the answer.
Tokyo Tea (NH, USA)
If you still have the ability to laugh at all this, watch Stephen Colbert's Monday night show—the funniest he's been in ages. Political humor lights him up.

As security shoved him away from the convention podium, he cried, "I know I'm not supposed to be here, but let's be honest, neither is Donald Trump!"
DlphcOracl (Chicago, Illinois)
Aside from "locking up Hillary", has anyone heard ANYTHING resembling a coherent statement or plan to improve the lives of the average American citizen and/or improve the quality of living in our country? The RNC may be the first in history to conclude without formulating a meaningful platform in any respect whatsoever.
mary (los banos ca)
They do have a platform. It is even worse than Trump. It's meaning is clear and it is very dangerous.
bleurose (dairyland)
The RNC platform has a great deal of ridiculous statements, many put in there by the Kansas secretary of state, Kris Kobach. The same Kobach who is working furiously to disenfranchise as many Kansas voters as he possibly can during this election season. And, the same Kansas as in "What's the Matter With Kansas?" so you have a pretty good idea what those platform statements look like and espouse.
John Plotz (Hayward, CA)
Afraid I disagree. The GOP has indeed formulated "a meaningful platform". It wants to forbid abortion. It wants to strip LGTB people of their rights. It wants to build a wall between us and Mexico. Etc. The proposals are concrete and meaningful. They mean hatred and unreason.
Backrow (Virginia)
TRUMP: Erdogan 2.0
USMC1954 (St. Louis)
I see this election as one that the black population can save the country by getting out the vote against Trump. It should be a no brainer that the black population has a great deal more to loose than the angry old white folks that need someone to vent their anger and frustration on, even if most of their problems are self generated.
KEEP AMERICA GREAT: Get out the black vote.
Don (USA)
I don't see anything positive in the reporting about Donald Trump and the Republican convention.

Certainly the NYT can find something they like about him. When was the last time there was a positive article?

If Hillary receives the same treatment at the Democratic convention I will withdraw my criticism.
Brad Blumenstock (St. Louis)
Sorry to break it to you Don, but there is absolutely nothing positive about Trump's candidacy.
Dougl1000 (NV)
What has Trump said or done that merits praise? Every time he spews, it's worse than the last time. Trump has always been an odious character. His entrance to the political world was on the wings of birtherism and he's gone down hill from there. His candidacy has degraded this country.
mark (delray beach fl)
Lets see Melania lied or did she? Christie lied or well remember bridgegat so we know he lied Donald Jr great speech his father wrote for him and we know the apple does not fall from the tree so we know he lied cause his father wrote the speech I did lie Tiffany trump marla maples daughter she was very genteel. Today is a new day and we will see what is in store hopefully we will see Paul Manafort be cut lose for being a lier
stp (ct)
I turned on my laptop this morning and started reading about the convention. I got to about the third line.... " Tiffany Trump dazzled the crowd while her sister Ivanka looked stunning in a beautiful dress..." Quickly closing the screen of my laptop, I decided it was way too early in the day for indigestion.
KAH (Pittsburgh, PA)
The purpose of the roll call vote is to count the elected delegates. There weren't that many for Cruz, Kasich and Rubio. That is why Trump won. I'm not sure how that's a demonstration of discord. He won overwhelmingly, much to the consternation of the rest of us.

For the Democratic convention next week, Bernie's votes should be counted too. And this comes from a Clinton supporter who saw her vote given away by Jon Corzine without even a '"by your leave". Every vote should be counted.

For both parties, there is a clear winner. The question is, can Trump reach out to the GOP base and incorporate them as well as Hillary Clinton has reached out to the Sanders people?

Or does it matter with this GOP that is united around rigid conformity, unquestioned deference to authority and the Bible and rabid hatred of Hillary Clinton?
Bill Sprague (on the planet)
HRC hasn't reached out to me. She just wants yet more money! So does Mr. Sanders. And the emails keep on coming!!! BTW, I don't do gender or race-based politics. I try to use my head. It doesn't require batteries!!!
Been There (U.S. Courts)
The entire G.O.P. appears to be living in a middle school playground.

Name calling, temper trantrums, simplistic Manichean morality, semi-lteracy derived from picture books, awed by strength, and romanticed of heroes.

Republicans simply are not adults.
C Hernandez (Los Angeles)
The Republican convention is an insane asylum.
TheraP (Midwest)
Yes, they would lock themselves up - if they had any sense!
Steven (New York)
While I abhor the prospect of a Trump presidency, I can't help thinking that the NYT and liberals writing in would blast whoever the GOP nominated.

As a centrist who will probably be voting for Clinton, I am deeply disappointed in the choice this time around.
David Warren (Phoenix)
It's like a mass "Stockholm syndrome" in which hostages eventually develop positive feelings toward their captor.
Wendy Laurent (New York City)
Fantastic and (funny) comment, but really not considering that this man could actually become President.
EJS (Granite City, Illinois)
The Republicans are a sad, pathetic lot.
Tokyo Tea (NH, USA)
The only thing they unified around was drumming up hatred for Hillary, screaming "Lock her up!" even after James Comey said there was no reason to. Disgraceful, divisive, and ugly.

We can only get out and VOTE and hope that this ugliness ends up being defeated by a party with some actual ideas for doing better in the forefront.
Charlie (San Francisco)
I've been watching the conventions since 1976.

I was taken aback by the lack of enthusiasm during the roll call vote. Usually this is the best part of a political convention, with the crowd growing ever more boisterous until the nominee clinches it, then big cheers.

Not only did this really not happen this year, there lots of empty seats, and not just up in the mezzanine, I saw plenty of empties on the floor too.
Larry M (Minnesota)
That a political party - which holds a nominating convention so besotted with irrational and unhinged fear, anger, lying, and outright hatred - is the party of choice for so many self-described "Christians" makes me wonder how deep and sincere their "Christian" convictions truly are.

To witness the appalling and obscene spectacle on display this week in Cleveland would have left Jesus Christ weeping.
Doug79 (Indy)
Does anybody read the Sermon on the Mount anymore? It's unrecognizable in this version American Christianity that is bent on political power and "my rights." So it goes when we let a political party and Fox News define what it means to follow Christ. "Love your enemies...bless those who curse you. First remove the log in your own eye..." Major major disconnect. Please know there are many who love God and others and have a much different and more nuanced view of racism, justice, politics etc. Lord help us...
Turgid (Minneapolis)
Who needs bread when you have this much circus?
Nick Metrowsky (Longmont, Colorado)
This week, the GOP is having a hate fest of Democrats and Clinton. Next week, the Democrats will have a hate fest of Republicans and Trump.

This week, we see this blog lit up with this level of hatred, by the so called party of the "Big Tent", the party of "progressives", the party of "liberal causes" and the party of "inclusiveness".

What I see, are both political parties, and their core supporters, equally hateful, and share equal hypocrisy.

Neither Trump or Clinton are people who should have never, ever gotten this close to the White House. But, the parties, the "establishment", the super wealthy, celebrities and very greedy people made this happen. Manipulating the primary/caucus process.

Both political parties are corrupt, and have been for a while. But their divide and conquer strategy has finally hit a note with people who have been left behind by their corruption.

My sincere hope is the choir of scored cats we saw this week at the RNC, happens at the DNC. Just to show the world that neither political party has the right to exist; let alone control our government.

Thus, while a third party candidate may not win, they certainly will appeal to people who cannot stomach the existing choices. It is hoped that enough people vote fro Stein or Johnson, that it denies Trump and Clinton 270 electoral votes to win. The people need to send a message loud an clear, how sick they are of "business as usual", and the government by the 1%, of the 1% and for the 1%.
Michael S (Astoria, NY)
Nice idea, bad plan. Republicans will not vote for a third party, but a bunch of liberals (of any particular variety) might. Thus, electing Donald Trump. Hillary has issues. However, the democrats are not actively out spewing racist, homophobic, bigotry and hate. If they must both be seen as evils, in your eyes, at least acknowledge the lesser of the two.
Nick Metrowsky (Longmont, Colorado)
Michael S. We have not seen the DNC, yet.

I like millions of others are sick of voting for the "lesser of two evils". If that is what the parties are giving us, then it is time to vote form a third party or vote for others in another party Stein and Johnson, are those options. If it takes votes away from Clinton or Trump; too bad.
JJ (Chicago)
Actually, if you look at the polls, Hillary's lead against Trump is bigger when the polls include Johnson and Stein.
Jame W. Harris (Manns Harbor, NC)
A convention of Moon Howlers and Tin Hatters united by their hatred of Hillary. Never mind that Hillary has not fleeced thousands of unsuspecting people with Hillary University or defrauded others with the Hillary Foundation. Forget the fact that one of Trump the Humps best buds who was I the hunt for VP had three ex-wives meaning that Trump the Hump and Newt the Newt could have had their very own WNBA team.

Trump the Hump is supposedly a super duper businessman who can fix anything. Then how is it he cannot even get his wife to give a straight forward speech without ripping someone else off. How is it that the candidate who needs to raise money despite his self-professed billionaire status, hunkers down in his aerie bunker on Fifth Avenue while standing up potential donors?

How does Trump the Hump propose to unite the country while constantly throwing chum in the water to feed the Hate Hillary mob? For years I was a Republican but I walk thousands of miles to avoid anything resembling a Republican gathering. The Party of Lincoln has become the party of hate and bitterness. Good luck come fall.
AACNY (New York)
The front page coverage of the GOP convention is all over the place, desperately trying to find negatives to report. It's almost not worth reading unless this is what you're seeking.

Poor Hillary's been "defined", and it ain't pretty. Unlike when Romney was defined by Obama, this time it's Hillary's who's been defined early on. She'll never recover. Her complaints about Trump seem reactive and relatively weak in comparison.

Trump's son gave a fantastic speech. The blue collar billionaire's kids are an impressive group.
mancuroc (Rochester, NY)
Yes siree, AACNY, a "blue-collar billionaire" who started out with a handsome inheritance and never did an honest day's work in his life, and his kids who naturally impress so they can safeguard their inheritance.

By contrast, over at the media arm of the Republican party it looks like the kids are getting ready to ditch the old man's script.
Linda Shortt (Rolling Prairie, In.)
"Blue collar"?????????????????????????????
me (here)
thank you for the best laugh all week. you out did yourself this time.
Upstate New York (NY)
What a circus! Should Trump really get elected it seems his entire family will help him to run this democratic Republic into the ground for not one member of his family has any experience in governing. Unfortunately most Republicans seem not to care. Paul Ryan has become inconsequential and will not be able to reunite the Republican Party. What I do not understand is that the pro Trump people do not understand that under the Republicans' tax plans the rich and big business get a greater tax break than the "little people" that is people with low income, people who barely make ends meet. They once more will vote agains their own best interest.
ZoetMB (New York)
They don't care if they're voting against their own self-interest. What they care about is that they get to vote for a vulgar man who is racist, sexist, immature and xenophobic. He makes them feel good because they have someone who places blame for their lot in life on the people they hate, instead of the corrupt politicians who make policy that helps only the 1% and the greedy corporations who refuse to pay decent wages.

They confuse his willingness to say anything with honesty. The question will be, should Trump be elected, who they will blame in four years when they're no better off (and probably worse off) than they are today.

But hopefully, in the end, the country who voted Obama into office twice is not going to be the country who then elects a Trump into office. We have short memories and my prediction is that a year from now, the Trump campaign will be considered a joke and a footnote to history.
Linc Maguire (Conn)
Good God watching the likes of Rachel Maddow & Chris Matthews is some of the best comedy I have seen in years. I am convinced these fools should be barred from communicating to the public and the only good news is there are probably no more than a 1000 people watching these two on a daily basis.

How anyone can compare what has taken place to the likes of Hillary's ongoing fraud and treason is beyond comprehension. I almost laughed myself to death listening to Rachel compare bridgegate to Hillary's FBI investigation. The NY Times, Washington Post and MSNBC should be ashamed of themselves but at least we get a daily dose of comedy.
JJ (Chicago)
I had to switch to CNN. Rachel and Brian Williams on MSNBC were nauseating.
Ivy (Chicago)
Exactly. Let's brace ourselves for the next one. It'll be on the order of, oh, Melania mispronounces a word therefore that's far more egregious than Hillary's deletion of tens of thousands of emails, or Bill Clinton's secret 30 minute chat with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac that no reporters were supposed to see. The most hilarious part of all is that the NYT and its ilk don't have a clue that everyone sees through this.
Brian33 (New York City)
You obviously don't live in NJ. No-one there was laughing about Bridgegate. There is a reason that Christie's numbers have tanked.
alan Brown (new york, NY)
There are certainly many Republicans and Independents who are unhappy with the selection of Donald Trump and 46% of Democrats voted for Bernie Sanders and many are unhappy with Hillary Clinton. 67% of all Americans view her as dishonest. By election day in November 67% of all Americans will have the same view. Let's be honest: we have, amazingly, ended up with two candidates that are patently not qualified by character or experience (easy to match up which) to be President of the United States. I could write today the NYT editorial endorsing Hillary Clinton which will point out all her "foibles" and seeming lack of transparency about this and that and go on to say her experience and accomplishments (?) make her our choice for President. Anyone want to bet against me?
Linda Shortt (Rolling Prairie, In.)
This 74 year old white female liberal couldn't agree more. For the first time in my years of voting I have NO ONE to vote for.
I also was not a Bernie supporter!!
As large of a population as we have, this is what we're stuck with, really??
JC (Houston, Texas)
News overwhelmingly reports on Melania and rebel dissenters to Trump's nomination...but I am finding little information on who spoke at the convention and what each speaker had to say.
Brian33 (New York City)
I can sum it up for you. Trump's kids love their dad. Everyone hates Hillary. There, saved you some time.
Claire (New Haven)
Nope, not everyone hates Hillary. Not even close. Honestly, if you don't have something constructive to add to the conversation maybe you should just not say anything.
jane (ny)
Not everyone hates Hillary.
lin (boulder co)
How can we seem to be surprised that there are such Trump supporters?

I was shocked that such people could vote for Nixon, Reagan, W. I am 72.
jane (ny)
I'm 71, and glad of it, if this is the direction America is turning.
Michael S (Astoria, NY)
The GOP has lost all substance and has virtually no coherent policy. Except, of course, for racism, homophobia, bigotry and all around general hate. May this not become what it means to be American.
Kmiccio (NYC)
Reading these comments is as disheartening as listening to the comments from the Podium. We have a level of acrimony that is only surpassed by religious zealots and politicians who live to stir the pot. We have members of the now nominated GOP Pres. candidate willfully ripping off the words and sentiments of the standing First Lady, and we have politicians rife with corruption and those with doubt using language to blame, obfuscate, and deflect. This is America-where truth is a casualty, compassion a lost art and connivance a constant. The Republican Convention has laid bare a desolate party, with no moral currency whatsoever. This is the America, you choose to bequeath to your children?
Monica (Canada)
One can only hope that this week will be the wake-up call the majority of rational Americans need .
Jim in Tucson (Tucson)
"... a caring, genuine and decent person?" Donald Trump?

How Christie didn't choke on those words is a tribute to his utter transformation into a political hack.
mtrav16 (Asbury Park, NJ)
@Jim in Tucson transformation? you are kidding aren't you?
Karen (Phoenix, AZ)
Consider the source.
Rick Gage (mt dora)
Would the last one out of the Republican Party make sure to close all the windows and doors and turn out all the lights please.
TheraP (Midwest)
They may burn the place down before they can do that.
SMB (Savannah)
They need to put the plague cross on the doors when they close them.
Christine (OH)
The Melania debacle was the Donald's fault. What we have learned from the GOP convention so far is that while Trump is absolutely capable of bombing; he could never do it strategically.
William Boyer (Kansas)
What debacle? Let's ask the serial plagiarist Joe Biden.
BBBear (Green Bay)
At this point, it is clear that Trump is not capable of managing his own convention, yet he wants us to believe he can manage our country. Good at suing people, you can be certain that Trump is considering legal action against the person responsible for writing Ms. Trump's speech. Melania must be concerned.
NI (Westchester, NY)
Legal action against the person who wrote Ms Melania's speech? Did'nt Melania claim, she wrote the speech?
BBBear (Green Bay)
Precisely......Read the last sentence!
HDNY (New York, N.Y.)
For a party that has labeled Obama's administration an Imperial Presidency, the Republican mob is quick to embrace a man who has constructed homes that look like palaces, sits in chairs covered in gold, and acts on impulse like an autocrat. Trump enjoys firing people for not pleasing him, rewards sycophants, and has sued people who worked for him earnestly when they demand payment for the work he hired them to perform. Trump declared bankruptcy four times, and profited from it while others took the loss. He has used eminent domain and bullying to move people out of their homes in order to build his towers and golf courses.

I don't understand how Republicans, who have consistently shown their hatred of "Elites" can support this candidate. They know he is a fraud, that he will not keep his promises and that he has no intention of ever doing so. He is everything they despise, yet they cannot get enough of him.

This is madness.
KL (Plymouth, MA)
Sadly, it shows us how poorly educated many Americans are. I have no doubt that many of his supporters cannot name the 3 branches of our government.
Lawrence (Washington D.C.)
Yes they can
The Church,
Football,
And keeping them in their place.
angel98 (nyc)
HDNY: "They know he is a fraud, that he will not keep his promises and that he has no intention of ever doing so. He is everything they despise, yet they cannot get enough of him"

It's called Stockholm Syndrome.
Noel L (Atlantic Highlands NJ)
Shades of 1984 with Trump looming over the hall on a giant video screen to give his thoughts from control central in Trump Tower. I wonder if he will follow one of the other world leaders that he praised during the primaries, Kim Jong Un, and require all homes to have a TV permanently tuned to The Trump Channel so that we can all hear his thoughts as they occur...?
Mark Smith (Bentonville, Arkansas)
Walmart does that. All TV's in the company have to be tuned to Fox 24-7
James Clawson (Brooklyn NY)
I can't believe there were ANY delegate votes against Mr. Trump. Mr Trump is the GOP's Frankenstein Monster come alive, and it will be, sadly, great fun watching them all squirm as the monster campaigns.
Lawrence (Washington D.C.)
Christie's “Lock her up!” Is hilarious when you consider his only hope of avoiding incarceration is if Donald is elected and he gets pardoned.
Karma might put him picking up trash at the Fort Lee exit dressed in orange.
AG (Wilmette)
A love fest of hate.
TheraP (Midwest)
As a psychologist, I look at what's going on in the GOP convention and I think about the welfare of the country: Demonizing, a mock trial, the arousing of a mob mentality with chanting. What's next? A mock execution?

On TV we see huge crowds in Turkey, calling for execution. This worries world leaders! So what are they thinking when they see Democracy undermined here? By a longstanding party, which has just nominated a man who can't even organize a functioning campaign, is using his children as his closest advisors, can't really delegate authority, except to them, can't muster the energy to study up on the issues, flies by the seat of his pants. Pants on Fire!

What we are witnessing is not good for the nation. Not good for any society. This "convention" should come with a warning. Caution: "The following program may be disturbing for some viewers. Parental Guidance is advised. Some content may be dangerous for your mental health." Seriously!

An unstable man is beaming demagoguery across this nation and the world. We used to beam democracy to dictatorships. Now we beam incipient dictatorship! The stirring up of hate. The calling for imprisonment. The demonization of the other party's candidate. This is nightmarish stuff.

As a psychologist I can see our nation needs healing. As an old lady I know my limits: I can see what's needed. I can write about it. I can vote.

We must reject what the GOP is serving up. It's poison!
Karen (Phoenix, AZ)
What is frightens me the most about his children as his advisors is that the fruits have not fallen far from the tree. They have lived in an insular you world that he has created, one of excess, power, and privilege built on a pattern of deceit. Schwartz, Trump's ghostwriter, shared with us that the warm stories of Trump were scripted by Trump himself; it's not a stretch to assume those told by his children were as well. Would be expect anything less than listening to tales of a loving, loyal father given to wisdom and good guidance? They are his heirs and they want to remain so. It wouldn't surprise me if father Trump made that a clear threat if each and every one was not on board with his megalomanical plans.
SMB (Savannah)
Well written and accurate. I found watching this very chilling. People who might have normally been decent were participating like a lynch mob and enjoying the hate. I'm not sure if this is the rise of fascism or America's dark past catching up with it.
greatnfi (Charlevoix, Michigan)
So you think that Hillary does't have the same traits. if the nation needs healing, then Obama must be the disease.
Jack (East Coast)
This convention is absolutely embarrassing. It’s more a grievance-filled mob that’s come to find scapegoats instead of solutions, egged on by increasingly irresponsible speakers. Some good people have forever sacrificed their personal integrity on that stage; too many others never had it.
RLW (Chicago)
If "good people" sacrificed their "integrity" on the Republican Convention's stage you might wonder how much integrity they actually sacrificed.
EinT (Tampa)
You look to your government for solutions? Good luck with that.
AMinNC (NC)
Can we talk about how insanely troubling it is to have Republican delegates repeatedly chanting "Lock her up!" while being egged on to do this on Day 1 of the convention by a former military leader and last night by a sitting governor and a former US Attorney? We are supposed to "lock people up" when they have been proven guilty in official proceedings, not because we deem them political enemies. Chris Christie should be ashamed he had any part in what took place last night. The rest of us should be rightly horrified. I don't use the term "fascist" lightly, but political show trials when real courts don't get you what you want - that's fine for Fox News, but this is the actual government we're talking about. The problem with the GOP is that for decades they have failed to make the distinction between fevered right wing propaganda and the serious business and responsibility of actual governance. And for this, we are all paying a serious price.
Monica (Canada)
You make an excellent point. I initially put it off as infantile grandstanding, but it truly is frighteningly fascist in nature (and eerily similar to the "anti-establishment movement" that brought the world the Nuremberg rallies).
Jeffrey (California)
It's not fine for FOX News either.
Cynthia (US)
Agreed. The GOP faithful were being groomed in a most vile way for further partisan intransigence. Seeds for straight party-line votes and obstinate Congressional procedural contortions for the next 4 years were being sown last night.
LaylaS (Chicago, IL)
How optimistic of McConnell to say that Trump would sign bills passed by the Republican Senate. Gosh, what if the Senate is Democratic, then what?
Aaron (Houston)
To continue the commentary on the level of ignorant and sick hatred spewed out by this rabble...what is most frightening is that this insane and juvenile hatred will not simply dissipate when Donnie boy is roundly defeated in the election. He and his minions have created a monster that will submerge itself and foment in its hatred, bigotry and self-pity, until it erupts in some sort of blind, stupid cataclysm of hateful, hurtful action. One can only speculate on what that disastrous knee-jerk action will consist of; but we cannot go forward being fearful of our own citizenry, but must unite behind strong leadership that must act in everyone's interest to address the huge issues in front of us. That leadership obviously and certainly does not reside within this group of hateful deniers.
Activist Bill (Mount Vernon, NY)
The Republicans have nominated Trump, the biggest and loudest joke since whenever.
And next week, the Democrats will nominate Clinton, the biggest crook in the Democratic party since whenever.
jdvnew (Bloomington, IN)
Has anyone asked Trump if he agrees with Nixon's statement that "if the President does it, it is not illegal?"
Gretchen Schwarz (Montreal)
No one needs to ask. We know what the answer will be. Let's just make sure that he never becomes president.
jdvnew (Bloomington, IN)
Of course WE know. Does the rest of America? Do his supporters?
DbB (Sacramento, CA)
The mob mentality of the Republican National Convention was in full display on Day 2, as Chris Christie repeatedly urged his audience to pronounce Hillary Clinton “guilty” for a myriad of perceived crimes. Not only did conventioneers readily comply, but they also broke out in the chant that has become the theme for this convention: “Lock Her Up.” The Queen in Alice in Wonderland (“Sentence First, Verdict Afterwards”) could not have scripted it better. But then again, any convention that aims to portray Donald Trump as qualified to be the nation’s president can only do so by employing a looking glass the size of the Quicken Loans Arena.
Rita (California)
Hate Hillary, Hate Mexicans, Hate Muslims, Hate Black Lives Matter, Hate Poor People, Hate Science, Hate Anyone Different, Hate Taxes, Hate Government (except when you need it or when you can give govt contracts to your friends)

Sounds like a simple platform for the party of 1984.
AACNY (New York)
That's odd. You must have been watching a different convention. All I heard was a repudiation of those charges.
Debra (Formerly From Nyc)
I think the press should get off of Melania's old news and focus on Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie's actions. They are going to have more power in a Trump administration than Melania.

First Rudy's performance - A very scary man, screaming in ecstasy for a so-called broken America. Yeah, really broken. I bet his stock market portfolio is not broken with Dow consistently over 18,000.

Then Christie, who I once thought about voting for President, presiding over a mob scene screaming "lock her up." Yes, the Bridgegate man himself.

And Donald Trump, Jr., blaming so much of America's woes on...wait for it...TEACHERS.

So this is all about blaming the woman. Blame Melania for plagiarism. Blame Hillary (again).

Blame teachers (again).

But don't get me wrong about all this. Donald and all of his kids represent a possibly new American dynasty. These guys have lots of children. I think Don Jr. said that he had 5. They are good looking, well spoken and made for TV. We already know a bunch of them from The Apprentice.

Donald Trump can win, which will bring us Trump making crazy comments but the real problems happening out of sight, brought to you by Rudy, Christie, Pence and probably some of the old Bush gang who may decide to "join 'em" since they couldn't "beat 'em."

And the media will continue to love it and invite comments.
FWB (Wis.)
That's why this election is so important. The Trump mob MUST NOT be allowed into the White House and other important offices such as attorney general, FBI, CIA, joint chiefs, etc. etc.
CL (NYC)
Trump family is good looking if you like plastic, silicon and bleach.
And you once actually considered voting for Christie for president? At what point did he ever look like a president, or for that matter a governor?
801avd (Winston Salem, NC)
Without attention paid to their illusions by others, they are even more idiotic.
They will all fail in their family's path. Just a matter of time. You can see it in their eyes.
MikeLT (Boston)
"Mr. McConnell, who has both endorsed Mr. Trump and criticized his campaign, offered a restrained embrace on Tuesday, stressing in his remarks that Mr. Trump would sign laws passed by the Republican-held Senate."

In other words, trump will be their puppet.
William Boyer (Kansas)
Huh? Don't all presidents sign laws? Isn't that how, contrary to the rule of Obama and his dubious executive orders, a democratic republic is suppose to work? I guess you prefer some sort of dictatorship.
MikeLT (Boston)
Sometimes they veto them.
bleurose (dairyland)
Obama's executive orders are no more "dubious" than W's were. And far fewer than W so where was your angst when W was churning them out on a near constant basis? Or how about his executive "statements" about which parts of laws he was choosing to ignore? I'm sure you were just as upset then, right?
Oh, wait......
ari silvasti (arizona)
I like neither Clinton or Trump but your paper is pathetic in covering Donald Trump. Can you be a little more subtle in covering his campaign. Every moment you have you slaughter the guy with innuendo not unlike the Enquirer. And your crowned Queen Clinton is promoted so beautifully much like a late night infocommercial.
Paul (there abouts)
I agree... there are just too many actual facts in these articles! Facts are not what voters want to hear - facts are for people who want to think for themselves. Please ignore the facts and present Trump as a reasoned, seasoned leader. That sounds fair, doesn't it?
Karen (New Jersey)
Ari, although Daily Kos has an extreme liberal bias, they insist on presenting the facts fairly, even when very painful. For example, they present every painful flaw of BLM, while at the same time being avid supporters. They are a good source.

There is really nothing as good as The Daily Kos on the right, But the American Conservative is pretty good for presenting some painful facts, sometimes.

In politics, you simply do not get the balance factual story from the Times. However, they are outstanding in health, housing, science, metropolitan, etc. They do allow comments, so you can read those.
Leigh (Qc)
Okay already, any American can grow up to be president, but finally, could we not get serious?
John Doe (NY, NY)
As deplorable as Trump is as the Republican candidate for President of the United States, it could have been worse - Chrystie, Cruz, Rubio, etc.
Where is my America?
Joe (Maryland)
It's telling that they are not besting their last show with an actor and an empty chair.
Deus02 (Toronto)
I am beginning to understand what all those countries bordering Germany must have felt like during the 1930s.
Suzanne (Jupiter, FL)
Get ready Canada for a rush of American refugees should, God forbid, Hair Trump win.
B. (Brooklyn)
It's true that someone -- perhaps even Mrs. Trump -- lifted that one sentence from Mrs. Obama's speech. It's a good one, the sort of sentence one wants to hear from a son or daughter.

But as far as the phrase "My word is my bond" goes, it has been for 500 years the motto of the London stock exchange. No apologist for the Trumps by any means, I think that sometimes two people can lift something they like from the same source.

A look at the Oxford English Dictionary will give other instances. for example, "The King's word should be a king's bond" (Chaucer, Lancelot).

As another aside, I go in dread that The Donald will be elected president.
801avd (Winston Salem, NC)
Yeah right. Mrs. Trump was looking into English history and literature when she started to tweek the speech she was basically handed to her by, you know, professionals. She lifted WAY more than one sentence and probably didn't even know it. She's a dimwit. Exactly just the amount dimmer than DT is, precisely what he likes. Game over.
Craig (Queens, NY)
The Reoublican convention is resembling an edgy gathering you might see in a third world country. Delegates chanting "lock her up" and holding up signs that say "Hillary for prison" are beyond disturbing and disgusting. In their attempt to shame Hillary, Republicans have instead shamed themselves. The world is watching. What an embarrassment.
A. T. (Scarborough-on-Hudson, N.Y.)
When the bridge and airport corruption guy was lynch-mongering for his supper, the red state ladies rapturously mouthed their approbation like back in bible study; the blue state ladies were clearly annoyed, then disgusted, then fed up. (that's right networks, check your footage) Conclusion: white women in swing states will vote for Clinton and she will win the election. Game over.
Chaz1954 (Houston, TX)
You want ketchup or mustard to help you eat those words in November?
Mark Smith (Bentonville, Arkansas)
When someone campaigns about how bad the competition is and can't say that they themselves can do anything?????? You have a loser. Trump can only sell fear for so long before the hormones are exhausted and no one listens anymore.
Chaz1954 (Houston, TX)
This upcoming election is about polar opposites and your desires for this country and the next generation or two.
Either you vote for HRC, a serial-liar who believes in redistribution of wealth, larger government interfering in your daily affairs, higher taxes to fund this machine, continued poor job markets and having a porous border while ignoring our enemies......or you vote for DJT, a platform and a man that stands against the aforementioned .
A. Conley (at large)
"This upcoming election is about polar opposites and your desires for this country" Yes, it is. But not for merely the next generation or two. We are all fighting for the soul of the country. We simply want different countries.
Shilling (NYC)
The country you envision, in which DJT is President, is not the United States of America.
Gretchen Schwarz (Montreal)
Except that he is also a very strong proponent of lying, and his running mate wants government to completely control women's lives. I think I will go with HRC.
Byron Jones (Memphis, Tennessee)
This is not a convention, it is a lynch mob!
thewriterstuff (Planet Earth)
A gift to democrats, who should be glad, since their candidate is also a nightmare. Really America, this is the best we can do? Sad indeed!
Irate Computer User (San Francisco, CA)
You cannot build a political platform based entirely on hate while also claiming to represent all the American people. The last time this was tried was with George Lincoln Rockwell, of the American Nazi Party, and his campaign fizzled. Then again, that comparison alone should give people an uneasy sense of deja vu!
Bella (The City Different)
This debacle could not happen to a more deserving group of people. The party of NO is looking ridiculous as their army of supposedly intelligent leaders fall into line behind this charleton. Party members looking the other way or distancing themselves are causing more harm as the Republican party disintegrates. Ronald Reagan should be turning in his grave.
ACJ (Chicago)
This convention should be named, "Irony in Cleveland:" we have Governor Bridgegate telling a crowd to lock Hillary up; we have a pampered son of a billionaire who was sent to all the right schools telling the crowd they don't need fancy degrees; and we have a trophy wife telling the crowd to restore family values in their homes. I can't wait for Thursday when the King of Irony will finally end the Republican establishment's hope of restoring legitimacy to the two party system.
CL (NYC)
But Donald and Ivanka both went to Wharton and got fancy degrees. I believe Tiffany just graduate this summer as well.
Suzanne (Indiana)
That is trophy wife #3. Family values indeed!
bill t (Va)
The liberal press is falling all over its self today, with a flood of articles spinning, nit picking and trying to smear him every way they can. They failed to deny him the nomination and they are livid with rage. How dare he challenge their absolute power to dictate how we think, talk, who our friends can be. Their plan to remake America to atone for all the historical faults they find with it, and to marginalize all people who don't agree with them is threatened.
Tether Morrison (Bklyn)
Actually us libs wanted him nominated. We don't need to tare him down. Trump is doing it for us all by himself.
Almighty Dollar (Michigan)
Nobody I know is livid with rage. More like bewilderment, head scratching and bemusement.

Some people I do not know that appear on TV seem to be enrages, like Gov. Christie and Representative King, to name just two.
Paul (there abouts)
It does seem that the Times should be focusing on the serious policy proposals Trump is proposing instead of the hate-filled speeches occurring at the convention and at other campaign events. If anyone ever finds any documentation detailing Trump's proposals - please post them somewhere so they can be discussed and evaluated.
scott k. (secaucus, nj)
Their hate for Hillary unites them, certainly not policies.
David in Toledo (Toledo)
If it wasn't "hate for Hillary" to unite them, it would be hate for someone else.

The hate comes first.
AACNY (New York)
The FBI just finished a lengthy -- and impartial -- investigation into her behavior. She received a scathing review albeit no recommendation to indict. She is the closest thing to a criminal running for president in a long while. Did you expect her opponents to overlook this?

The Democratic Party handed her to the GOP on a platter with garnish and serving utensils. Did everything but carve and serve.
The Poet McTeagle (California)
Let us not forget hate for the poor ("moochers"), the immigrant ("rapists!"), the LGBT community, "those people" of color...
Socrates (Downtown Verona, NJ)
Welcome to the Republican National Toilet.

A party united by tax cuts for millionaires, Hillary-hatred, homophobia, racism, forced pregnancies, gun anarchy (anti-law-and-order), bombing foreign countries and the least qualified major-party nominee in modern history.

They offer no public solutions for education, infrastructure, technology, jobs, living wages, health care, civil rights, voting rights and the higher quality of life enjoyed by many of the citizens of Canada, Europe and other successful social democracies around the world.

But at least the Republicans have a reality TV star to rally the idiot masses around, a man experienced in financial, moral and intellectual bankruptcy to perfectly match the party's political bankruptcy.

Their party nominee talks incessantly about 'winning' completely devoid of meaningful details about how to win.

The Republican Convention and platform have officially been merged into the Trump Institute For Fraud and the Trump University of Deception.

There's no 'there' there at the RNC.

Just a badly scripted reality TV show starring a bad reality TV presidential candidate.

You've been Trumped, Republistan.
William Boyer (Kansas)
Your cause is not helped by name calling, vulgarity or hate and hostility. What your post really says is that liberals like you do not understand our history or culture and are very afraid. You are afraid that HRC, Stalin's housekeeper, is doomed to rejection by the American people. That means potentially that the liberals establishment's strangle hold on power, graft and patronage will be broken. What will the millions of dependents, and payrollers do then?
S. Dennis (Asheville, NC)
Yes. They've been Trumped without being aware of it. We'll see what happens beyond the base, if anything. "Stupid is as stupid does..."
Dan (Sandy, UT)
"You've been Trumped....". Many, many of the delegates were snookered long before the Republican National Carnival and Side Show.
Those who did not blindly rally for the carnival barker had their voices and opposition quickly silenced.
To paraphrase Gen. Powell in the run-up to another fiasco many years ago, "you break it, you bought it". So, GOP, Trump is all yours. You allowed this creation, so, deal with it.
Long-Term Observer (Boston)
It is somewhat ironic to see Trump's adult children cheering their father after the way he treated their mothers.
William Boyer (Kansas)
You mean their multi-millionaire mothers who are at the convention supporting Trump? Those mothers?
faceless critic (new joisey)
....not considering that the father is the source of their continuing largess.
Andrew J (Baltimore, MD)
Yes, some of us still like to believe moral matter more than millions but hey..
NM (NY)
Do I have this straight – after Melania Trump was caught stealing Michelle Obama’s speech, Trump’s manager decided Hillary Clinton was to blame, and Christie stirred the crowd to chanting about imprisoning Hillary Clinton?! This reads more like a parody than news.
S. Dennis (Asheville, NC)
The Onion, indeed, couldn't have drafted a better RNC fantasy meltdown.
Ms. Trump received a draft @a couple weeks ago written by two Bush-era
speech writers. She didn't like it. She supposedly went to someone else and in that time, some sentences in 3 places were added close to verbatim from Ms. Obama's 2008 speech. Some scientist ran the odds on being able to write almost the exact words were 1 in an astronomical number. Meaning, selecting those words weren't by chance but done on purpose. Therefore, the Trump campaign is once again doing what they do best - "steamroll" through it in hopes it moves off the media radar. However, it has been two days because of the complete denial and the snarkism (new word) of Manafort and the campaign.

Fortunately, the spin is now since the GOP is jumping on HRC for lying, what's the difference? They double down (a phrase I'll never use in my
life) on lying and denial and will make up anything. It's crazy.
mags (New York, Ny)
Yay for the Trumps! They did a great job. The Republican Convention shows how the Democrats have lost touch with the modern world. I can't wait until I hear crooked Hilliary start barking like a dog again. It was hillarious!
LaylaS (Chicago, IL)
This is sarcasm, right? This person has got to be kidding. If not, then this person fits Trump's description of his favorite kind of voter: "I love the poorly educated."
MadMax (The Future)
I think you mean the *GOP* has lost touch with the modern world... The GOP, which now seems to stand for 19th Century views on race, gender, division of Church and State, sexual orientation, abortion, pretty much *any* social view, and is the almost exclusive province of middle-aged to elderly white, uneducated, angry men. The GOP, which views all foreign policy to be used as a hobgoblin to frighten its base into accepting draconian measures that include errosion of our Bill of Rights. The GOP, that disdians science and logic, doesn't believe in climate change or evolution, and sneers at arguments based in rational thought instead of hurling insults and feces like a monkey. The GOP, which was once an important counter to, and yes partner with, the Democratic party, is in fact the one that is now barking dog mad...
A. Conley (at large)
And what "modern" world do you want to build? The one that is "we are no community", "we are no nation"? We are corporate interests and war for private profit? We'll see how well that works come next year and the year after. Beware of what you wish for.
Craig (Queens, NY)
The Republican convention seems like a gathering you might see in a third world country. Chants of "lock her up" and delegates holding up "Hillary for Prison" signs are beyond disturbing and disgusting. The nation and the world are watching. In their attempt to shame Hillary, they are shaming themselves.
William Boyer (Kansas)
Democracy is so messy and disturbing. Better we should have establishment controlled infomercials disguised as democratic conventions don't you agree?
buckeyejim (Columbus OH)
I don't think they are trying to shame Hillary; I believe they seriously want to throw her in jail with all their political opponents without due process. Putin must be proud.
rs (california)
It is not "normal" to have a convention where the delegates chant that the opposing nominee should be put in jail. Pretty sure it's never happened. It highlights the GOP's lack of a positive way forward that all they really seem to have binding them together is a blind hatred of Ms. Clinton.
Chingghis T (Ithaca, NY)
Isn't it the usual practice for a convention to do a final vote by acclamation? That didn't seem to happen here.
William Boyer (Kansas)
That's only in establishment controlled infomercial faux conventions as we have had in recent decades. Real conventions, historically, vary widely.
Frank (Durham)
The image that came to mind upon Trump's nomination was that of Charleton Heston's bewildered and and angry reaction in "Planet of the Apes", upon realizing that humanity had destroyed itself.
Raj (Long Island, NY)
Fasten the seat belts, and strap on the helmets! It will be quite a ride!

Now only if this was a scary roller coaster ride, and not the next four years of the most powerful and productive country in the history of the mankind.

318.9 million Americans, and we managed to find, single out and nominate Mr. Trump. This should make us worry more about the nominee's good percentage of supporters among the 318.9 million than the nominee.
Dectra (Washington, DC)
Wasn't 318.9 Million Americans.

It was 69.4 million votes that gave him the nomination.

BIG difference.
Bruce Strong (MA)
The San Francisco Chronicle called it a “straight-up question,” but Senator Feinstein, who endorsed Mrs. Clinton for the presidency, apparently wasn’t prepared. “As someone who worked with Hillary Clinton for nearly a decade in the Senate, what in your view was her signature accomplishment as a senator?” The senator reportedly “paused for a few seconds to ponder the career of Clinton.” then said “Golly, I forget what bills she’s been part of or authored. I didn’t really come prepared to discuss this...”
Dectra (Washington, DC)
Wow, Bruce....way to stay on topic. You're a true Republican. Can't discuss the topic at hand; can't discuss an article without dissembling about someone else.

Your party has NO plans to improve the Country
Your party has NO ideas to move the Nation forward

You will NOT win in November.
AACNY (New York)
When they tried to pass off "miles traveled" as an accomplishment, they were finished. There were no real accomplishments and some situations that didn't work out very well.

It's no surprise she's trying to use her gender as an "asset". When all else fails, punt with identity.
Shilling (NYC)
So? At least she's not Trump.
P2 (NY)
Trump didn't claim the nomination.
GOP went so backward and downhill that they couldn't find any good leader and so Trump became the only choice and they had to make him a king.
GOP is rotten.
We all have to work hard and create a WALL that it doesn't harm America.
Lee Harrison (Albany)
Almost every convention works to create drama over the vote to nominate -- trying to create excitement out of a foregone conclusion -- this convention is no surprise in that regard.

But none in living memory has anointed a candidate so many party members saw as unfit. Even McGovern in '72 (opposed by factions aligned with Humphrey and RFK, even though the latter was dead) was not seen as unfit to be president in the way many Republicans recognize Trump as unfit.

No candidate in memory has had the clear lack of support from the party's house and senate leaders that Trump has, nor the certainty of severe policy differences with them. No candidate has had so few congressional delegates aligned with, and supporting them (nor so many running away from them electorally).

The convention seems united only in calling out "lock her up" ... in disappointed fury that such outcome was never plausible ... and seemingly oblivious to Mr. Trump's looming legal problems. But Trump University (even the civil RICO charges if sustained) would not send Mr. Trump to jail. Other charges aren't being covered by the mainstream press (a sign that they are not yet "taken seriously") ... yet.

Mr. Trump's "it's not a campaign, it's a movement" is the most accurate statement he's made to date. No, it's not a campaign -- and electing a president needs one. It is a movement for a neo-fascist personality-cult leader -- Peron or Berlusconi are the clearest analogs -- and to end the GOP.
Phil M (New Jersey)
I hope it ends the GOP in the down tickets as well. Then we can finally have adults run the show and make progress. We have been in the gutter for 40 years thanks to the GOP. I do not want to see them leading our country again until they prove that they can come up with ideas that can actually help people.
Air Marshal of Bloviana (Over the Fruited Plain)
From Obama we have learned what is possible for a president. Colluding with a foreign government head not withstanding,

"After my election I have more flexibility." .... not possible in the US to move forward any initiative until after the fall elections, whatever the result." ~BHO~
Todd Fox (Earth)
Yeah, it's a movement alright. It's one hot mess.
Sunspot (Concord, MA)
A day of infamy that brings disgrace to our country and makes it the laughing stock of the world. May this despicable candidate be defeated by a landslide. And may the Bush family be commended for having the dignity to stay away from this grotesque event. Never Trump.
The Wanderer (Los Gatos, CA)
Dream on. It will not be a landslide, it will be very close. Mr. Trump is an incredibly skilled demagogue and a large section of our population is famous for voting against their own self interest.
Fleurdelis (Midwest Mainly)
And also to be commended are John Kasich the Republican Governor of Ohio and Rob Portman, Republican Senator, two people who see this awful candidate and his hate-filled rhetoric for the disaster for our country that he is and won't abide it. These are two men with standards unlike so many of the desperate puppets speaking at the convention who just want a job.
DrB (Brooklyn)
Let's avoid dignifying the Bushes, please. Their oldest son wrecked the planet and gave us ISIS. Even Donald Trump has that one right
UWS (NYC)
Donald Trump being "crowned" sounds about right.
Donald and his family couldn't care less about any of these people and all their supporters are too naive to see it. How can they? They're Manhattan socialites who've never had to worry about money a day in their lives.
Byron Jones (Memphis, Tennessee)
Yep -- recalls the painting of Napoleon crowning himself Emperor in Notre Dame Cathedral.
joe hirsch (new york)
It's all a bad dream. As his ghostwriter said yesterday 'The Art of The Deal' was a work of fiction. We are living in a bad movie, with a lousy script, awful dialogue and acting that would send you to the exits.
Steve Silver (NYC)
Government is too big. Hillary is to blame for everything that went wrong.

How can it be both ?

I've yet to hear one concrete idea of how to improve things from the GOP. One.

A horror show.
Chaz1954 (Houston, TX)
Cut taxes
Secure our border
Take the fight to Isis
Increase benefits for our veterans
Gosh, you may wish to check your hearing aid batteries as I just gave you 4 that I heard in a 10 minute sound byte.
Wally Wolf (Texas)
I hope you're not holding your breath waiting to hear a concrete idea on how to improve things from the GOP nominee.
Fleurdelis (Midwest Mainly)
Build a giant wall to keep those darn Mexcans out, oh, and keep out all those Muslims for Pete's sake, oh, and what else, um, make fun of someone who has a disability...yep that one is my favorite.
NM (NY)
And the world officially feels scarier.
William Boyer (Kansas)
Apparently the Times can't get over the fact that the Republicans had a real convention rather then an establishment stage managed shopping network show/coronation. I am old enough to remember that conventions in the past were just like the Republican one this week. What will the Democrat establishment controlled, infomercial elevation of Stalins housekeeper be like? Will the amount of negative coverage, rumour mongering and wild speculation be the same? America will be watching but sadly, I think we already no the answer.
Hotblack Desiato (Magrathea)
I've read almost every word of coverage of the convention in the Times and have read no rumor mongering or wild speculation. Can you supply some concrete examples? Or just one?
Shilling (NYC)
Boo! Boo! While I agree that the Republicans created what looked like a convention to the floor, no one can argue that the result is a complete disaster.
rs (california)
Hotblack,

No, Mr. Boyer can't. But thanks for asking him!
Phil Levitt (West Palm Beach, FL)
Despite the signs of ineptitude in the Trump campaign, the Republican nominee is a viable candidate who could, with effort and rapid self-education, become president. This is in large part because he is running against another deeply flawed candidate. Last night, the Republicans overstated their case against her with the usual, lies, half-truths, incendiary language and exaggerations. No one knows how carefully each of millions of voters will be able to scrutinize their statements or even bother to do so. We won't be getting a good president either way. The best we can hope for is one who can keep us safe.
Jersey Tomato (West of the Hudson)
Mr Levitt writes: "...the Republican nominee is a viable candidate who could, with effort and rapid self-education, become president."

Yet the Republican nominee has already demonstrated that he is unwilling to expend much effort on self-education, preferring, in his hubris, to believe that there is no subject matter worth mastering in either campaigning nor governing.

Sadly, that does not mean that Mr Trump is not electable. What it does mean is that, if elected, his tenure in the White House will be a cross between "The Manchurian Candidate" and "Animal House."
Steve Crawford (Ramsey NJ)
Hillary has the potential to be a great president. She was First Lady,US Senator, and Secretary of State. She has been demonized by the right for time immemorial. All the Bernie supporters need to step up to the plate so we don't get a maniacal demagogue in the White House!
DJ McConnell ((Fabulous) Las Vegas)
Thanks to Dubya, we'll never be safe again. Welcome to the rest of the Planet. Get used to it.
Al Man (Dayton)
What a mockery of American public.....Mr Trump and his phony family. GOP created this monster and have no option but to embrace it. They spent years out of touch from reality and lying to their voter base that "America is the greatest and invincible". The world moved on but the Republican voter base remained under qualified, misguided and ignorant of the new world. Result: wallah when they woke up, they were jobless, no alternative skill sets to move on so stuck up and frustrated. Then comes along America's biggest con man who exploits their feelings. Same con man who the GOP encouraged to gain some publicity, little did they know that he had his own agenda. serves the GOP right.
Frank (Durham)
Francisco Goya's drawing may be appropriately recalled: "When reason sleeps, monsters are created."
JoanneN (Europe)
Oh yes, the GOP did have the option: their leaders could have disavowed Trump when it mattered. But they're much more concerned with keeping their posts at the government trough.
It's a choice that will live in infamy.
jane (ny)
"...the Republican voter base remained under qualified, misguided and ignorant ......"....and armed to the teeth.
StevenMajor (Prescott, Arizona)
I feel much of the convention coverage has been opinionated and negative. No doubt the slant will be reversed for the republican show.
Shame on you NYT.
Byron Jones (Memphis, Tennessee)
Have you been watching? The whole convention is nothing but a nasty diatribe against Hillary and Obama. The GOP disarray is not the fault of the NYT
Dectra (Washington, DC)
Steve, to report the facts, as presented to the reporter is no cause for 'shame'.

The convention is in disarray. It's being run by the seat of Trump's pants. He has no control over anything that's being done.

And if you think for one second that had someone in Hillary's camp PLAGIARIZED a speech and it wouldn't have been covered in exactly the same way, Chris Christie has a BridgeGate to sell you.
Shilling (NYC)
That's because there is nothing actually good to say. It's all bad news. Anyone who honestly thinks it's good news is simply wrong.
Steve Schneiderman (Kentucky)
With the exception of protesters outside the arena, I noticed no minority individuals in any of the photos.
Chaz1954 (Houston, TX)
Well, you obviously have not been looking too hard....if you don't want to see it, you won't!
Wanderer (Stanford)
You should look a little harder: the camera shots seem to have intentionally zoomed in on African Americans inside the arena. Don't try too hard with the race card ;)
The Wanderer (Los Gatos, CA)
And my guess is that makes Trump supporters very happy. Their is what they want to see in America.
Robin LA (Los Angeles,CA.)
The missteps, the chaos and disarray are part of the appeal and as some delegates have pointed out to me, part of what they see as a productive democratic process. Eventually, their perceived common enemy will bring them into line and they'll reluctantly vote - in party first fashion- for their nominee.
The historic Republicans vs. Democrats battle lines are blurred, it's devolved into "Him vs. Her" personality clash of titans facilitated by the cheering masses.
shirls (Manhattan)
@Robin LA ... What happened to COUNTRY FIRST?
Howie Lisnoff (Massachusetts)
Where's the discord? With the so-called social conservatives? The Republican Party has evolved, beginning with Ronald Reagan (perhaps some remember Philadelphia, Mississippi?), as the party of angry while males, hatreds, guns, endless wars, environmental destruction, and gross income inequality. "To me, that doesn't spell success."
Stephen J Johnston (Jacksonville Fl.)
Trump had some good ideas, one of which was doing business with Putin, but his ego is blinding him to the fact that he has so far chosen in exactly the way that will guarantee nothing good ever happens.

His VP is boilerplate Republican Establishment, who thinks that there is a war on coal, which must end for God's sake, how idiotic! At least with Gen Flynn, who wants rapprochement with Russia, he might have had a chance to do something important on foreign policy. This New Cold war must end, and the neocons zero sum games are not helpful in this 21st Century multi polar world.

For the Treasury he will pick a Goldman Sachser, which guarantees failure on the economic front. After all, Robert Rubin made a fool out of Bill Clinton on the regulation of derivatives. Now it's Trumps turn.

Trump will soon have no options, and he may think he has won, but the establishment will soon own him. I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. We know what she will do, and the prospect of another Clinton in the White house is bloody awful. Thanks so much Bernie!

The race, and gender aspects of this electoral silly season are successful attempts to distract the public from the fact that not only is the system rigged, but the economy and financial system are where they were in 2007...only worse! Why? The entire multi trillion dollar monetary stimulus was captured by the rich before it ever entered the economy, and the banking system has been made to be fragile for the profit of the less than 1%.
mary (los banos ca)
Business with Putin is a good idea? For whom?
Naples (Avalon CA)
With you, Stephen, except on your blame game. Thank the DNC for being so out of step as to put up a candidate who's been in D.C. for decades. This year proves nothing if it does not prove people want a generational change at the top, even if that change is only a symbolic middle finger of a candidate. I suppose in 2024 we'll have Chelsea v. Bush Jr.
reader (ny)
Er, what is it "[w]e know what she will do"?
Suzanne Moniz (Providence)
Anger, hate and obstruction are not unifying factors. These tactics have given the Republicans a nominee that is compared to Hitler or, on a good day, to Berlusconi. Our country can do better than this.
Kalidan (NY)
Our country can? Really?

Here is what can happen, and probably will.

First, the younger demographic can continue to stare at their navels, and pout that with Hillary they will not have free college and free healthcare. They can say "yeah whatever" - a phrase that is salient in their vocabulary - and no show up to vote. That will show us.

Second, female voters can find an excuse to support a misogynistic candidate who represents a misogynistic party. Why would women vote in their self-interest when virtually no one else does. Self-destructive tendencies are not limited to any segment; they are pervasive across all segments of the population. They will show us.

Trump will win because these things can happen.

Kalidan
rs (california)
Kalidan,

Fortunately, current polls (do a google!) show that you're wrong on both points.
William Dufort (Montreal)
"At times, the only unifying appeals — the only themes truly capable of rallying the Republican Party, even briefly — were ominous denunciations of Hillary Clinton."

Ominous indeed.

Mr Trump and his followers don't seem to grasp the concept of "overkill", and of it's consequence: backfire. But they seem eager to learn...
Tenley Newton (Newton)
It was encouraging to watch this second night of the convention. The lack of fervor and the empty seats do not bode well for Trump. The divide in the Republican party was most evident in this limping, pathetic scene. This campaign is a train wreck.
William Ripskull (Ohio)
I look down at the list of political headlines in the NY Times. What a joke. This is why the Times has become irrelevant. Every article has to be liberal, with an anti-Republican and anti-Trump or a pro-Hillary slant. It attacks Republicans and provides cover for Democrats. The NY Times clearly is no longer reporting news, but has become instead a propaganda machine for the Democratic Party. This is part of what is wrong with this country. No honesty, no integrity, everything political, everything biased. Its sad.
Tim (Toms River, NJ)
No honesty and no integrity.

Kind of like Trump?
Kalidan (NY)
True. True.

I wonder whether you are on to the subversive role NYT is playing in helping republicans succeed. What with their pooh poohing of very serious people very serious in their intent to rule the country as an entitlement.

Every NYT political article is carefully designed to send democrats into chortling, eye-rolling smugness that renders them effete, ineffectual. "Of course," they think, "the republicans are so ridiculous." "We are so much better than they are."

So while the republicans are taking control of everything local and regional with clever fear mongering (you are not safe, your child will have to sit next to an undesirable in school, and mosques will proliferate in your neighborhood, terrorists will take over, and communists will indoctrinate your children), the democrats are sitting around in tie-dyed, sipping on French made Kool Aid to Joni Mitchell soundtracks feeling rather self-satisfied, unaware that hand holding is not political action.

Every article in NYT cleverly subverts democrats. I get that you get it. Do the rest of the republicans?

Kalidan
MsPea (Seattle)
Sorry you're sad, William, but every news outlet has a point of view--none are unbiased--and, it has been that way since the 1770's when newspapers were a political force in the campaign for American independence. Since the 1900's, major newspapers around the country have been advocates for one political party or another.

Many months ago, the NYT’s editorial board endorsed Clinton, so why the surprise at the coverage of Trump? While it's certainly fashionable for conservatives to complain of a "liberal media", you don't have to try very hard to find publications with a more conservative bent. For example, there’s always the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, The Weekly Standard, Christian Science Monitor, Forbes, New York Post, and others with a decidedly right-leaning point of view. Additionally, you have Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge Report, and other news outlets that will preach all you want to hear about the evils of Hillary Clinton. And, if that’s not enough for you, there’s always Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and many others bellowing on radio.

So, cheer up, William. you can find plenty of news sources that support your point of view. No need to complain because the NYT doesn't.
PaAzNy (NY)
Yuck. What a circus of hate a blind ignorance. God help us if these fools get the keys to government. Truly disturbing on so many levels.
lol (Upstate NY)
Whether they get the keys or not, they're not going away. Be prepared.
Ruth Lapp (Ohio)
Please ask for the tax returns. Way overdue.
Wally Wolf (Texas)
I don't know how else to say this but just to say it. I think Trump thinks the citizens of this country are too stupid to even notice and he thinks he'll get a pass on this one - and he may be right.
World_Peace_2017 (US Expat in SE Asia)
The lady is so right, when is the Press Corps going to demand the tax returns?
bleurose (dairyland)
After many times of telling the public that his tax returns were none of their business, Matt Bevin in Kentucky finally said he would release them if elected governor. Well, the dim voters in KY gave him the governor's seat and guess what? He has publicly stated that he has no intention of releasing his tax returns because they are "still nobody's business".
Trump will do exactly the same.
Louisa (Email)
Plagarism is the most sincere form of flattery! Trump copy cats Obama...what a nice compliment! Thanks Melania...Michelle.
AACNY (New York)
This is how Obama excused his lifting Deval Patrick's words. They "inspired" him.
Renee Jones (Lisbon)
@AACNY: Patrick recommended Obama use Patrick's lines. Big difference.

But how telling that your best argument is, "Hey, Obama did it, too! Waa!"

Your party's Speaker of the House is conflicted about Trump. Let the Democrats have the Melania fiasco, since she's not even your party's worst problem.
liwop (flyovercountry)
721 delegates cast their votes for candidates other than Mr. Trump

Brilliant journalistic reporting by the NYT.
A kindergarten student could have provided this paper with better insight regarding this vote.
Could it be that the party/STATE laws mandate that the delegates have to vote on the first ballot based on that state's outcome during the primary election?

I bet we won't hear a word from these super journalist working at the Times, when the votes are cast next week for BERNIE and not clinton during the first round .

Regarding the plagiarizing snide remark.
I also claim the Micheeel plagiarized my parents giving me the same advice in almost the same words when I was growing up, and this was before Micheeel was even a glimmer in her daddy's eye.
JW Mathews (Sarasota, FL)
Empty seats, empty platform, empty speeches and empty candidate. In short, an empty party.
Tony E (St Petersburg FL)
In acceptance quite naturally Mr Trump said "I'm Proud to be.." instead of "I'm Honored to be ..."
Words are important. He is proud of himself.

Harrumph, Harrumph, Harrumph it is only about me... Donald J Trump!
The Wanderer (Los Gatos, CA)
You were so close! His family name is Drumpf, which rhymes with Harrumph.
G. Sears (Johnson City, Tenn.)
BAD THEATER AT BEST! Jobs and the Economy? Hardly.

The tone has been set for months -- vindictiveness and profound divisiveness.

The GOP is in predictable mode offering up the same warmed over, unrelenting Obama bashing, now razor focused on Hillary Clinton.

The final run up to the election will be an very ugly three month brawl. Unfortunately its right up Trump’s alley.
sosonj (nj)
The Trump family members share the same traits: always decorated, seldom decorous.
orbit7er (new jersey)
Trump will not be elected. I find it a waste of time to listen to the Trump bashing and the repeated peccadilloes of the Trump campaign while the endless Wars continue, the planet burns and the banksters extract 1000 times actual loans to Puerto Rico. More troops sent to the Iraq disaster.
The cannibalization of Puerto Rico in a similar manner to Greece shows just how ruthless and greedy the Wall Street banksters are:
"According to the ReFund America Project, Puerto Rico borrowed $4.3 billion using this costly and risky form of debt. When the bonds expire decades from now, Puerto Rico will have to pay back $33.5 billion in interest—a staggering 785 percent interest rate. In some cases, the interest rate will top 1,000 percent." from DemocracyNow.org http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/15/puerto_ricos_payday_loans_nearly_i...
So what happened to Trumps attacks on Wall Street? Note that once again both Corporate Democrats including Obama and Republicans voted to hand Puerto Rico over to the vulture Hedge Funds feasting on the 1000 percent interest payments already imposed by Wall Street banks like JPM Chase. Morgan Stanley and of course the vampire squid Goldman Sachs.
One loan for $97 million with no chance to pay down the principal or interest comes due for $1 Billion in 2054...
This has to end...
Grace I (New York, NY)
"...a poor player. That struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing"

Shakespeare has Trump and the Trumpets absolutely pegged.
NYer (NYC)
Macbeth isn't bad for Trump, but how abotu Richard III?

Now is the winter of our discontent...
I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph; ...
Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity:
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
Heddy Greer (Akron Ohio)
"What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account."

Lady Macbeth, appearing in Philadelphia as the Democrat candidate for President.
Getreal (Colorado)
Fear and Loathing. Deceit and Fraud in Cleveland.
Ken (Chicago)
I was struck by the cynical use of black delegates during the roll call of states. In contrast to the apparent lily-white composition of delegates, during the roll call of states, black delegates where positioned front and center to make it appear as if this gathering was even minimally diverse. A shameful manipulation.
Tim (Toms River, NJ)
It was impossible to not notice that.
Erik (Boise)
I agree, but this is a consistent ploy among politicians. Do you think the "United Colors of Benneton" lineup behind Hillary at her speeches is a happy accident? It is theater.
mtrav16 (Asbury Park, NJ)
they do it each and every single time.
lol (Upstate NY)
If you think the "base" refuses to accept a 'dump Trump' move at the RNC Convention, wait until they lose the presidential election and this whole 2nd amendment lunatic fringe goes underground. They never accepted Barack Obama as their president - do you think they'll accept Hillary Clinton? The end of the election will be the beginning of the 'troubles'. Secession movements, here we come. It recently struck me that almost all recent TV movies and many series are basically dystopian. This convention makes the reasons for that fact much more obvious.
Jim (Georgia)
Don't forget about impeachment. The GOP mantra for the next 4-8 years will be Impeach, Impeach Impeach!

But I will take that over a meltdown of the economy and threat of a nuclear war.
Mitchell (New York)
There is no secret that there is party dissent, although it appears the casting of votes was generally just an expression of some delegates reflecting the popular vote percentages in their state, even though the rules technically called for votes to be counted differently. There appears to be virtually no dissent in the dislike of Hillary Clinton and fear over what she will do if elected, and that is what really matters. It is a fairly binary decision (although you could waste a vote on the Libertarian or Green Party candidates). So, in the end, the "dissent" is unimportant. Most of the people who identify as Republicans will have no real choice regardless of their misgivings.
orbit7er (new jersey)
There is ALWAYS a choice! Make it and do not be corralled by the plutocrats and the elite into thinking "There Is No Alternative" Of course there is!
You can vote for the Green Party, the Libertarians or write in whomever you wish...
YOU decide! Not the "deciders" as Bush so aptly put it...
Issassi (Atlanta)
The RNC was a spectacle with many cringe-worthy moments. Especially notable was when Utah lost all 40 of its delegates, under protest, which had been cast for Ted Cruz, to Donald Trump.

Hopefully that was a teachable moment for those viewing: please vote for someone who is on the ballot, or your vote, sometimes literally but certainly in the grand math of elections, will go to or count for another.