I don't get this article. Why does Hillary feel the need to get the economy going when all she and the "president" do is talk about how great things are going in our country? They talk about all this wonderful job creation that has occurred since 2008. If this is the rhetoric spewing from their mouths, then there shouldn't be any need to improve an economy that is already a liberal utopia.
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Perhaps it is easier to see from outside the US, but when will the Democrats and Hillary's team seize the fact that anger about "more-of-the-same" just might be caused by a senate and congress full of naysaying Republicans? Stop allowing Hillary to be painted as the status quo candidate! She is the ONLY one who can bring about the changes that would benefit every American!
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Four months of watching buyers remorse in Britain after their populist tantrum should be enough to warn Americans of the perils of kicking over the table in a fit of pique. It may even get the right message to our political leaders.
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I think Trump will get white males and less women than a GOP candidate normally does. You can vote for Trump, MR Healey since,he's so exciting.
According to the polls out today 2/3 don't think he's qualified. Brexit has,nothing to dw with the usual white people problems.that make whites upset in the US. Nothing new from them.
According to the polls out today 2/3 don't think he's qualified. Brexit has,nothing to dw with the usual white people problems.that make whites upset in the US. Nothing new from them.
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Secretary Clinton and Democrats should be worried. She's an open borders globalist who has no intention of enforcing immigration law. The politicians will be punished for allowing Islam and illegal immigrants to gain permanent footing here in the US. Oh, and the polls for Brexit all said Remain, and they were all wrong. Every pundit, politician, and media is completely underestimating American electorate anger. Many of us just get on, but we'll make our voices heard in November and it is going to be ugly this year. You should steel yourselves.
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To counterbalance the effects of the Brexit vote, Hillary Clinton emphasized the need for, "calm, steady, experienced leadership," which leads one to ask, "Uh, Hillary...have you met the Clintons?"
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Hillary the candidate has been playing an interminable game of catch-up with Bernie Sanders' positions throughout the primary. Now bogged down by the vague "Stronger Together" after she, DWS and the DNC were loathe to incorporate much into the party platform for Sanders supporters, one might wonder exactly how she envisions building the party. With Republicans, of course. Another issue that has escaped her attention is the disaster our election process has become. The media is blind to it, too, dazzled instead with Trump's carnival barker and Hillary's slow ascension to her throne. The U.K. isn't the only one that needs a do-over.
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I am sorry, but angry decisions are often poor ones. Those who voted to leave are know realizing the hard consequences of their votes. The pound is losing value, global businesses are rethinking their presence and the nation may break up. And what they decided could result in a global recession. And this is supposed to cause Americans to vote for the guy who panders to resentment and hatred, rather than a steady leader who is looking to win-win solutions. The US certainly doesn't need to look to Great Britain for how to make stupid decisions.
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I am so tired of hearing Republican opposition work on Hillary coming from people who claim to be Democrats and/or progressives. Why to do repeat these oversimplified memes. Why do you buy the hate?
Brexit should have shown us all that burning down the house just leaves people homelsss. It will be the little people who pay.
Brexit should have shown us all that burning down the house just leaves people homelsss. It will be the little people who pay.
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With regards to the idea that Tepid Trumpers will swing the election in the same way Bashful Brexiters did ignores a good portion of evidence. there was a 2% margin predicted for Remain...
Unless you take a look at individual polls, which up to election day frequently fluctuated between leave and remain. (Ex BGM research a week before released a poll with Leave winning by 10 points). Indeed part of the reason that the Remain campaign was run so poorly was that they were imagining the same magic bump that happened in the Scotland referendum.
Simply put, swings happen both ways. Likewise we all tend to imagine great trends that don't exist.
Also worth considering is the rather terrible organization of the remain campaign.
- Labour should have been leading the fray but instead waited until 2 weeks before the vote to give a tepid endorsement.
- Cameroon ran a weak campaign on the Blue side, and was plagued by internal dissent.
- Neither campaign tried to really address concerns over immigration that drove the vote.
The Clinton Campaign's biggest risk is being complacent and leaning on identity politics for the win. There seems to be an idea that because 24% of voters are minorities and that Trump is toxic among them will alone be enough to win the election. Even if Clinton beats Obama's record by 10% among Hispanics it would be wiped out by a 1.2% gain among whites for Trump. This election calls for populism and reaching out to those left behind by globalization.
Unless you take a look at individual polls, which up to election day frequently fluctuated between leave and remain. (Ex BGM research a week before released a poll with Leave winning by 10 points). Indeed part of the reason that the Remain campaign was run so poorly was that they were imagining the same magic bump that happened in the Scotland referendum.
Simply put, swings happen both ways. Likewise we all tend to imagine great trends that don't exist.
Also worth considering is the rather terrible organization of the remain campaign.
- Labour should have been leading the fray but instead waited until 2 weeks before the vote to give a tepid endorsement.
- Cameroon ran a weak campaign on the Blue side, and was plagued by internal dissent.
- Neither campaign tried to really address concerns over immigration that drove the vote.
The Clinton Campaign's biggest risk is being complacent and leaning on identity politics for the win. There seems to be an idea that because 24% of voters are minorities and that Trump is toxic among them will alone be enough to win the election. Even if Clinton beats Obama's record by 10% among Hispanics it would be wiped out by a 1.2% gain among whites for Trump. This election calls for populism and reaching out to those left behind by globalization.
If the Clinton campaign had any brains they would have bumper stickers with:
Hillary "Job Creator" Clinton
Hillary "American Jobs First" Clinton
Hillary "Rust Belt" Clinton
Hillary "no bad trade agreements" Clinton
I believe Bill gets it but he cannot make Hillary get it.
I hope Sanders makes her get it before Donald makes her get it.
Come on Hillary, don't you want to be liked?
Hillary "Job Creator" Clinton
Hillary "American Jobs First" Clinton
Hillary "Rust Belt" Clinton
Hillary "no bad trade agreements" Clinton
I believe Bill gets it but he cannot make Hillary get it.
I hope Sanders makes her get it before Donald makes her get it.
Come on Hillary, don't you want to be liked?
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Long Gone is the time I wanted to vote for Trump hoping he would split the Republican Party that would be followed by the same in the Democratic Party and later on at some point by a modern representative democracy.
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Brexit strikes a major chord in America. As today's article in the NY Times clearly shows: about the CIA sending millions and MILLIONS of dollars of guns and ammunition to Syrian Rebels, only to have much or most of it CONTINUALLY stolen by Syrian Officials, and sold on the Black market for their own profit - Americans are BEYOND tired and frustrated of "our" leaders in Washington supporting Defense Contractors and Big Oil ahead of struggling, blue-collar U.S. Citizens.
As our Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton KNEW of these CIA Arms sales, and knew that they were fraught with corruption and waste of U.S.Taxpayer money. I do not call that "calm, steady, experienced leadership". On the contrary, I call it Greed, and Waste, and supporting the very system of mis-management that has turned the entire World into the mess we see before us today.
"Brexit" was inevitable, and is a good thing. Ordinary Citizens in Britain AND America have a hard time paying their Health Insurance Premiums, and making ends meet. Our roads and bridges are crumbling. Our schools are a mess.
I am no fan of Trump - but, for Hillary to act all smooth and calm when it was her who was at the helm of many of these terrible decisions, that helped Wall Street rather than average Citizens - that helped over-priced Defense Contractors rather than our schools - those actions make her as phony as a three dollar bill.
Enough sugar coating. We need a REAL change in our political priorities. But, she won't.
As our Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton KNEW of these CIA Arms sales, and knew that they were fraught with corruption and waste of U.S.Taxpayer money. I do not call that "calm, steady, experienced leadership". On the contrary, I call it Greed, and Waste, and supporting the very system of mis-management that has turned the entire World into the mess we see before us today.
"Brexit" was inevitable, and is a good thing. Ordinary Citizens in Britain AND America have a hard time paying their Health Insurance Premiums, and making ends meet. Our roads and bridges are crumbling. Our schools are a mess.
I am no fan of Trump - but, for Hillary to act all smooth and calm when it was her who was at the helm of many of these terrible decisions, that helped Wall Street rather than average Citizens - that helped over-priced Defense Contractors rather than our schools - those actions make her as phony as a three dollar bill.
Enough sugar coating. We need a REAL change in our political priorities. But, she won't.
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Just be sure you will get the change. Currently, you guys want to burn down the house but have no plan to replace the destruction or support the building of a new better one.
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You didn't answer any of my questions about Hillary's credibility, or her definitely helping, as Secretary of State, to create the mess we are in today. I don't want to "burn down the house", but considering the continued avalanche of income inequity among working classes, coupled with Corporate Greed over Environmental Health - we have NO MORE TIME TO WASTE with "professional", self-serving Politicians.
"My" comment to the NY Times got 3 "recommends". Yours got 1. And "you" get a "NY Times Pick" ?? That isn't balanced facts, either.
"My" comment to the NY Times got 3 "recommends". Yours got 1. And "you" get a "NY Times Pick" ?? That isn't balanced facts, either.
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We live in an era on which intellectual arguments are simply not effective anymore. I'm in complete awe at how people are eating propaganda and straight out lies nowadays. The facts simply don't matter anymore. The more independently verifiable they are, the more "disputed" and "rejected" they are. People don't care about truth, the only truth they see is their way of life is constantly eroding with no end in sight. They will blindly follow whoever promises not only change but also some form of retribution.
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Have we forgotten the lessons from the French Revolution of 1789 and the following years? 1. Letting the elite take all the economic benefit eventually results in the impoverished masses starting a bloody revolution. 2. The resulting chaos resulted in a dictator/emperor - remember Napoleon Bonaparte? 3. It took France more than 60 years and two wars before a modicum of stability was re-established.
Donald Trump may bring us the chaos, but if Hillary Clinton thinks that just keeping the lid on the garbage can for 4 or 8 years is "stability", I don't think that will work to defuse the growing anger and disgust among the 99%. The Democratic Party isn't helping when its platform committee voted down most, if not all, of Sen. Sanders proposals: Medicare for All (supported by 81% of Democrats), federal $15/hr minimum wage, opposition to continued fracking, opposition to the TPP (a position supposedly supported by both Clinton and Sanders).
Donald Trump may bring us the chaos, but if Hillary Clinton thinks that just keeping the lid on the garbage can for 4 or 8 years is "stability", I don't think that will work to defuse the growing anger and disgust among the 99%. The Democratic Party isn't helping when its platform committee voted down most, if not all, of Sen. Sanders proposals: Medicare for All (supported by 81% of Democrats), federal $15/hr minimum wage, opposition to continued fracking, opposition to the TPP (a position supposedly supported by both Clinton and Sanders).
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Next week, America is having a referendum on whether to kick the state of Kansas out of the Union. The following week, it's Oklahoma. This is starting to be fun!
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Our political system does not focus on what is best for this country or its people. It's focus is on being controlled by the uber wealthy. If Hillary Clinton actually wanted to gain the people's trust, she would talk plainly, show facts about our nation, let the people see who is actually influencing how this country is run. Our country is here now because of greed and deceit. Go ahead, put everyone's dirty clothes out for all to see. You don't get healthy or strong by continuing to live unhealthy.
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Despite Brexit – despite everything – the opinion shapers, the great and the good, the moneyed and well-heeled elite *still* don't get it.
You have to be on the outside in the cold, looking in at the diners eating their fancy steaks to know what it is to feel you've missed out, that you've been left behind; that you've been denied what was fairly due to you.
The rub is this: it's clear that the thing that the NYT Editorial Board, and pretty much all the NYT reporters, just don't seem to get, is that it really is not about xenophobia, crude racism, alarmism, groundless anxiety, 21st century angst, or unwarranted phobias about 'Muslim terrorists' and illegal immigrants.
It's simpler than that. It's about basic fairness.
Just as one can look at the past and present treatment of, say, LGBT, or of Native Americans, or of African Americans, and say 'Hey man, that's not right! That's really unfair!' the same thing applies here.
Get it? Do you get it? It's. Just. Not. Fair. That's what most folks in the world think about the ways things are going, have been going for a long time. That's what they believe. And that's the reason why the Leave Campaign won in Brexit. Because the leavers believe that the UK is a fundamentally unfair place to live.
Moreover, that's why it's just possible that in the USA this November HRC will not become the first female POTUS and instead we'll see the Shonksville Shyster in her place.
You have to be on the outside in the cold, looking in at the diners eating their fancy steaks to know what it is to feel you've missed out, that you've been left behind; that you've been denied what was fairly due to you.
The rub is this: it's clear that the thing that the NYT Editorial Board, and pretty much all the NYT reporters, just don't seem to get, is that it really is not about xenophobia, crude racism, alarmism, groundless anxiety, 21st century angst, or unwarranted phobias about 'Muslim terrorists' and illegal immigrants.
It's simpler than that. It's about basic fairness.
Just as one can look at the past and present treatment of, say, LGBT, or of Native Americans, or of African Americans, and say 'Hey man, that's not right! That's really unfair!' the same thing applies here.
Get it? Do you get it? It's. Just. Not. Fair. That's what most folks in the world think about the ways things are going, have been going for a long time. That's what they believe. And that's the reason why the Leave Campaign won in Brexit. Because the leavers believe that the UK is a fundamentally unfair place to live.
Moreover, that's why it's just possible that in the USA this November HRC will not become the first female POTUS and instead we'll see the Shonksville Shyster in her place.
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I believe they do in fact get it, and that's what is really terrible; the 1%ters have been circling the wagons for decades, accumulating power and wealth, beggaring the masses in the process, knowingly and deliberately.
The manipulation and worldwide perception management has become so sophisticated, few know their thinking is not their own, consequently their decisions are not their own.
Cameron made a strategic error, so high on the petard he and his ilk built, they presumed the people were no longer capable of independent action; as the day of the vote drew closer, the elites sensed something amiss, and called in the big guns, economists, world leaders, and of course the great pretender himself, Obama, still confident they had it covered.
So, now they know, and they know we know, which is causing all kinds of angst, and repositioning of pieces on the chessboard.
We are on the cusp of regaining some measure of independence, and mark my words, the next several weeks will see the big guns out in force, still selling snake oil.
The manipulation and worldwide perception management has become so sophisticated, few know their thinking is not their own, consequently their decisions are not their own.
Cameron made a strategic error, so high on the petard he and his ilk built, they presumed the people were no longer capable of independent action; as the day of the vote drew closer, the elites sensed something amiss, and called in the big guns, economists, world leaders, and of course the great pretender himself, Obama, still confident they had it covered.
So, now they know, and they know we know, which is causing all kinds of angst, and repositioning of pieces on the chessboard.
We are on the cusp of regaining some measure of independence, and mark my words, the next several weeks will see the big guns out in force, still selling snake oil.
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And Hillary's lead over Trump has jumped to 13 points in the four days since the Brexit vote. I guess Mr. Healy's behind the times.
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The Brexit vote has had a large and largely unlooked-for effect on the political mind of America. It appears to mean that we are beginning again at our beginnings, which is bad news for Mrs. Clinton, since Mr. Trump has, in many ways, made a bad beginning, even worse than hers.
The Republican establishment, which until so recently seemed set to mount a new offensive against Trump, must be viewing its presumed candidate's chances to win in a very different light. It seems reasonable to assume that most of its members will now resign themselves to falling back in behind Trump.
And indeed, at this moment in time, the election is Trump's to lose. If he can finally impose discipline upon himself, becoming a far more rational candidate than the one we've seen so far, for better or for worse he'll be our next president.
But if he continues to self-indulge and trust to improvisation, he'll again have the majority (however slim a majority) of American voters shaking their heads, wondering how such a loose cannon happened to roll up so close to the White House.
My guess? Trump will do it his way, not the way of his party. Though his inspiration will carry him close to his goal, he'll lose in November.
The Republican establishment, which until so recently seemed set to mount a new offensive against Trump, must be viewing its presumed candidate's chances to win in a very different light. It seems reasonable to assume that most of its members will now resign themselves to falling back in behind Trump.
And indeed, at this moment in time, the election is Trump's to lose. If he can finally impose discipline upon himself, becoming a far more rational candidate than the one we've seen so far, for better or for worse he'll be our next president.
But if he continues to self-indulge and trust to improvisation, he'll again have the majority (however slim a majority) of American voters shaking their heads, wondering how such a loose cannon happened to roll up so close to the White House.
My guess? Trump will do it his way, not the way of his party. Though his inspiration will carry him close to his goal, he'll lose in November.
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In my opinion, this article is a willful misreading of HRC's problems, which are:
1) Character: She demonstrates poor judgment and when confronted with the results, she is not honest and doesn't appear to learn from her mistakes.
2) Platform: No one on the left or right is excited about her platform. I doubt she intends to follow through, but if this is her enticing voters, I'm afraid of what her real intentions are.
1) Character: She demonstrates poor judgment and when confronted with the results, she is not honest and doesn't appear to learn from her mistakes.
2) Platform: No one on the left or right is excited about her platform. I doubt she intends to follow through, but if this is her enticing voters, I'm afraid of what her real intentions are.
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Thinking of Hillary as a reasonable choice is frankly amazing. She is bought and paid for by the corporations and foreign interests, she will be singularly vulnerable to blackmail from anyone who hacked her emails, and everything she has touched has descended into chaos, including the aforementioned emails.
When you can't even send an email without ending up under FBI investigation, how is that anything like a reasonable choice? Electing the Butcher of Benghazi to the presidency will end this country.
When you can't even send an email without ending up under FBI investigation, how is that anything like a reasonable choice? Electing the Butcher of Benghazi to the presidency will end this country.
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Infinitely doubtful that Britain's issues with the European Union are so intertwined with the USA. Mr. Healy's article seems to ignore the recent events that truly shadowed our Congress, to name a few: gun control, reproductive rights and the GOP's opposition to transgenders use of bathrooms/equality for the LGBTQ community. Thus far, the common denominator as to all of the above has been the GOP's control of both Congressional houses.
Unlike the British Labour Party, --that failed to defend the European Union's stances, Mrs. Clinton has targeted the immediate issues affecting our communities. The overwhelming support towards Mrs. Clinton manifested by the victims of Flint, Sandy Hook, and Orlando --to name a few, outshines any and all of Mr. Healy's "concerns." Reason why Mrs. Clinton won the popular vote, --regardless of the ongoing mysoginistic propaganda against her platform.
Unlike the British Labour Party, --that failed to defend the European Union's stances, Mrs. Clinton has targeted the immediate issues affecting our communities. The overwhelming support towards Mrs. Clinton manifested by the victims of Flint, Sandy Hook, and Orlando --to name a few, outshines any and all of Mr. Healy's "concerns." Reason why Mrs. Clinton won the popular vote, --regardless of the ongoing mysoginistic propaganda against her platform.
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HRC is a well-intentioned policy wonk, a left-of-center incrementalist, which is why I will be voting for her.
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C will be more of the same old, same old! How could we do that to ourselves?
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Search on "2016 DNC Platform" to see what was decided Friday to EXCLUDE from the platform. Millions of Americans who voted in primaries and made their demands clear are dissed off.
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There is only one theme to Candidate Clinton: We want more of the same. More of the same under President and Candidate Clinton; more of the same under Barrack Obama; and more of the "Grandma Government knows what is best for you". Candidate Clinton is SOOOOOOOOO out of the loop, not only with new voters, but with the old crusty voters which have had enough of the demise brought about by a Democratic Incompetent President, and a Democratic Incompetent Secretary of State.
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How could Donald Trump's supporters have an opinion on his support for Brexit? Most of them propably think it's ia new sausage & egg treat from Hardee's.....
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Here we go again. More"low info" bigotry from the oh so smarter than you club.
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Mrs. Clinton simply needs to stay the course. She's specific, tested with world-widr issues, well thought out. And she's perfect for the office of President.
You go Girl!
You go Girl!
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Yes! Vote for the law breaking, dishonest tyrant who thinks globalism at the cost of all our freedoms and rights is what we need! Cynthia, what America needs more of, is less voters with your crazy attitude. You go Trump!
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Cynthia,
Let's put aside Hillary's many problems. Do you really think "you go girl" works?
Let's put aside Hillary's many problems. Do you really think "you go girl" works?
Curious how the great majority of pro Hillary comments, are made by women.
It's as if any female, regardless her character, and integrity, could be President, if women only had the power to decide.
What ever happened to electing an individual who is honest, not in the pocket of the investment banks, and corporate America, someone who believes in public service, wants to represent all of the people, all of the time, a decent honest to goodness American, along the lines of FDR, and Eisenhower.
It's as if any female, regardless her character, and integrity, could be President, if women only had the power to decide.
What ever happened to electing an individual who is honest, not in the pocket of the investment banks, and corporate America, someone who believes in public service, wants to represent all of the people, all of the time, a decent honest to goodness American, along the lines of FDR, and Eisenhower.
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That and Hillary should be in Jail.
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It's sad to see Healy become more of the problem and less of an intelligent voice that could educate the masses instead of providing fodder for more hysterics. Voters need to be educated not brainwashed with repetitions of fallacious arguments that merely satisfy self-indulgent tantrums of dissatisfaction. I'm sick of reading the same stupidity that plays on cable news. There are answers out there, but they come with hard and difficult choices that require some sacrifice from everyone. It would be refreshing to read the hard choice solutions that are required to make the changes the masses are demanding. If the "elites" had all the power they are being credited with holding you would think they could easily change the world with the wave of their wand just to get the shouting to stop. The screaming children need to grow up and become responsible citizens instead of anchors and obstacles to democracy.
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Now, now, Dad. The children are actually grown up. So grown up that they realize that careerist politicians are about protecting their power and their purses and thus do the bidding of their moneyed masters. YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS whether as grown up as you or not are fed up.
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Steve,
The screaming, I and millions of disenfranchised Americans, are hearing, is because tens of millions of hardworking Americans have had to watch as their leaders made deals with corporations, worldwide, that destroyed manufacturing, and dozens of other industries here in the homeland, destroying benefits, including pensions, turning the American dream into a living nightmare, and you pooh pooh this reality, pretending it's not so bad.
Well, do as I did, take a trip, North, South and west through the Midlands, stopping in any town USA, and see the economic devastation, devastation the mainstream media carefully censors, until a major event such as the water crisis in Flint makes it impossible.
We have been teetering on the edge of an abyss, since this most recent financial catastrophe, and unless the 1%ters catch on, they will hurt just as badly as everyone, when the center finally fails to hold.
The screaming, I and millions of disenfranchised Americans, are hearing, is because tens of millions of hardworking Americans have had to watch as their leaders made deals with corporations, worldwide, that destroyed manufacturing, and dozens of other industries here in the homeland, destroying benefits, including pensions, turning the American dream into a living nightmare, and you pooh pooh this reality, pretending it's not so bad.
Well, do as I did, take a trip, North, South and west through the Midlands, stopping in any town USA, and see the economic devastation, devastation the mainstream media carefully censors, until a major event such as the water crisis in Flint makes it impossible.
We have been teetering on the edge of an abyss, since this most recent financial catastrophe, and unless the 1%ters catch on, they will hurt just as badly as everyone, when the center finally fails to hold.
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I firmly believe there is no one better prepared to run this country than Hilary Clinton. Regardless of Brexit, regardless of some unexplained emails, etc. She's been in the thick of it for years, has multitudes of experience, and cares for this country and its blue collar working class people like no other American that has attained the power she has can. She's extremely intelligent, is married to one of the best presidents we ever had... all I can say is Go Hilary!
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Lisa:
Thank goodness you aren't for HIllary.
Thank goodness you aren't for HIllary.
Yea..... Hillary is Finished and they can't bring back the Dead....
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Apples and Oranges. Our problems are not the same as Britain's problems. Our people are not the same as the British. Maybe on the surface there are some similarities but I fail to see how what happened with "Brexit" has anything at all to do with our Presidential election. Seems like a bunch of reporters and so-called "analysts" trying to justify their existence.
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The UK and the US have a great deal of similarities. Much of this nation's culture and ethics came about from out founding fathers; all of whom were British. In the UK, like the US, there is deep seeded anger from globalization and the conservative movement. What we have seen implemented here, GOP wise, has also occurred in the UK, Canada and Australia. In all four countries you have teh same complaints. I read Teh Sydney Morning Herald daily, and I can tell you, it is easy to substitute "United States" fro "Australia" when it comes to economic, immigration, tax and government issues.
So, it is not A"apples and Oranges".
So, it is not A"apples and Oranges".
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Queen Hillary and her supporters are completely out of touch with the ugly mood of the electorate which is one of extreme anger against the immense economic disparity that presently exists. They are tone deaf to the arguments of Bernie Sanders and the young people in this country. Hillary and Bill, like Trump are the 1%. However, if they think their opponent simply represents a bunch of aging old white men and that this election will be a cakewalk they will be making the same foolish mistake David Cameron did in the UK. Ignore these issues at your own peril.
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Hillary Clinton is not a queen, she is a Presidential candidate. Referencing candidates with playground nicknames does not add credibility to an opinion.
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Tsk, tsk, Arctastic! Didn't you call people stupid in another comment. Glass houses?
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Isn't it remarkable how in the face of so much animosity for the elite in this country being placated to by our leaders that Paul Ryan would still try to pass a Tax Plan that is favorable to those same special interests. Is anybody intelligent listening out there?
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And since there more polls are coming out - PLEASE provide a number of Democrats and number of Republicans surveyed in a poll along with results. Without these numbers the poll results are meaningless.
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I hope Hill Clinton remains stubbornly committed to her elitist political ambitions. Let her kick her OWN arse in the election!
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Dawson, Healy and Kristoff are all dumping on Obama and Clinton. Did the NYT just get purchased by the Conservatives?
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No. Buyers remorse for supporting what they now see as a flawed candidate.
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Asking the leopard to shed her spots is an exercise in futility. The Democratic Establishment wanted Clinton, now they have to live or die with her candidacy.
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People keep saying they want change and that Trump will bring change. What they fail to realize is that as long as the Republicans control Congress, the change they will get will be for the worse if they have Trump to rubber stamp the Ryan budget. They have spent the entire Obama's 2 terms sabotaging his presidency to the detriment of the economy, our security, jobs, and stoking hateful divisiveness in order to regain complete power to push their own agenda of failed trickle down economics. The gridlock in Washington is attributable to the Republicans obstructionist campaign that they plotted while Obama and Michelle were barely enjoying the inauguration dinner.
Choosing to leave the EU has already done great damage to the UK, which may cease to exist before long, yet Trump and the Republicans are calling it a victory and believe it will help them here too. Sane, intelligent Americans from both parties in greater numbers reject this ridiculous contention. America is better and greater than Trump and the Republicans give it credit and we want to move forward united, not divided towards the future with the policies that the Democrats have. Not the same, failed trickle down economic policies that favor the rich. America will not vote for a Republican party that supports a bigot who has managed to offend all minorities.
Choosing to leave the EU has already done great damage to the UK, which may cease to exist before long, yet Trump and the Republicans are calling it a victory and believe it will help them here too. Sane, intelligent Americans from both parties in greater numbers reject this ridiculous contention. America is better and greater than Trump and the Republicans give it credit and we want to move forward united, not divided towards the future with the policies that the Democrats have. Not the same, failed trickle down economic policies that favor the rich. America will not vote for a Republican party that supports a bigot who has managed to offend all minorities.
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Hog wash...if they've budgeted against Obama, how then has Obama been able to double the national debt to $20,000,000,000,000?
Oh and by the way, America is tired of the PC nonsense.
Oh and by the way, America is tired of the PC nonsense.
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When did the expression "PC" become Repubican-speak for annoying truths?
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By threatening to default on our debt if Republicans didn't get their tax cuts, by refusing to raise taxes to deal with the debt, two wars, war on terror that began under the prior administration. Don't forget the financial crisis that the prior administration handed Obama too. You forget what catastrophic financial straits we were facing when Obama took office. Obama has not been perfect, but considering everything he had to deal with when he came to office and getting absolutely no help from the Republicans, I am only sorry that the Republicans aren't being kicked to the curb. If you're too blind to see what the Republicans have been up to, then you're one of many of the ignorant fools they believe you are.
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She offers more of the same populist globalism rejected by the Brits. She offers more of the same liberal experiment that has failed so many times before. Our economy is in the trash, millions have been forced out of the workforce in the past 8 years and pay and benefits have decreased for those still employed.
We reject the import of 2 million illegals from South America and the 1 million Muslims that have been dumped in our cities by Obama ver the past 8 years. Trump is the only choice to rid ourselves of the suicide of the far left agenda and their elite puppeteers.
We reject the import of 2 million illegals from South America and the 1 million Muslims that have been dumped in our cities by Obama ver the past 8 years. Trump is the only choice to rid ourselves of the suicide of the far left agenda and their elite puppeteers.
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I have been a Bernie supporter since day one, but I'll vote for Hillary any day of the week over Trump. Bernie has said the same. Those Bernie supporters who have asserted they will never vote for Hillary or will vote for some third party candidate fail in my opinion to have any real understanding of what has been going on in American politics. In 1968, 1980 and 2000 Democrats dissatisfied with the party's nominee in many cases stayed home or wasted their votes on third party candidates with zero chance of winning. And what happened? We got Nixon, Reagan and then GW Bush, wach one worst than the last and the country has been worse off as a result. Trump is the worst of this bunch of Republican nightmares and the damage he'll do this country will be very grave. Hollary is an uninspiring politician but Bernie can see she's better than Trump and so can I. It's actually very obvious.
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Trump horrifies me. But Hillary Clinton also horrifies me, albeit for different reasons, starting with the fact that on foreign policy, she is a frightening hawk, much more so than Trump. Perhaps more important, someone who disguises herself as being on my side and on the side of social/economic justice, but really isn't, well that person frankly leaves a far more bitter taste than the outright enemy like Trump. Who then, is lesser of evils here?
"She, too, is a pragmatic internationalist”
Pragmatic? She has sold influence in her would-be presidency to dozens of international special interests and oppressive regimes. NO ONE is paid $21 million dollars over 2 years for speeches, she sold influence, plain as day.
Pragmatic? She has sold influence in her would-be presidency to dozens of international special interests and oppressive regimes. NO ONE is paid $21 million dollars over 2 years for speeches, she sold influence, plain as day.
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Steve,
She has sold, and will continue to sell anything and everything, including access to the Office of The President, as long as her price is agreed to.
The woman is on a mission, methinks Queen of our solar system, short term, will satisfy her, until she realizes interstellar possibilities exist.
As much as Trump disturbs me, this Lady (??), causes me great angst.
She has sold, and will continue to sell anything and everything, including access to the Office of The President, as long as her price is agreed to.
The woman is on a mission, methinks Queen of our solar system, short term, will satisfy her, until she realizes interstellar possibilities exist.
As much as Trump disturbs me, this Lady (??), causes me great angst.
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Clearly more irritated by the gender of the presumptive Democratic nominee than any particular policies.
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That's a pretty high bar you've set for the female candidate. She's supposed to get more votes than her primary opponent and the nominee of the other party combined? What a ridiculous comparison. She got more than each of them, which would indicate more of the US electorate is with her than the narrowly focused Mr Sanders ("it's the money") and the bigot on the right ("build a wall").
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Globalization is the other great euphemistic con like deregulation before it. Globalization gives capital all the power and leverage against labor. Capital can go anywhere in the world and look for labor. Labor cannot follow capital. In Brexit, British citizens are finally showing that that propaganda can only take a dumb idea so far. People are sick of this trend. Globalization is great for capital and good for slave labor. The middle class are the victims of a global economy. It's good to see the world is finally waking up.
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The world awaits the new "Iron Maiden" with our enemies anxious to test her mettle.
Call them "The Brexit Class". The working and low-mid-middle class whites. Custodians, mechanics, line workers, foremen, admins and middle managers.
To the liberals of this group, part of the change Trump represents is good economically -- better trade deals, less offshoring of jobs and on-shoring of immigrants who would take jobs (including those of American workers at Disney who had to train their foreign replacements in order to retain severance benefits). These liberals are weighing their short term economic interest against the dark side of Trump, represented by the obvious racial tinge to his rhetoric that he hasn't learned to filter out as most politicians do, and his propensity to speak before thinking things through.
But Trump isn't conservative, or even Republican. He won't use an abortion litmus test on potential SC justices. He could get behind universal health once he thinks about it. He doesn't care about business, except for his own. In fact, the Republicans hate him. And if Republicans hate him, that means he's ok, right?
Clinton is dedicated to helping her minority base. She will likely move money to programs for them. But is she dedicated to The Brexit Class? Will she stand up to Disney and Goldman Sachs?
It's easier for those of us who are doing ok economically to say no to Trump and vote for Clinton. But what about the liberals of The Brexit Class? Will they vote with their hearts, or for their wallets?
HMS Clinton is in troubled waters.
To the liberals of this group, part of the change Trump represents is good economically -- better trade deals, less offshoring of jobs and on-shoring of immigrants who would take jobs (including those of American workers at Disney who had to train their foreign replacements in order to retain severance benefits). These liberals are weighing their short term economic interest against the dark side of Trump, represented by the obvious racial tinge to his rhetoric that he hasn't learned to filter out as most politicians do, and his propensity to speak before thinking things through.
But Trump isn't conservative, or even Republican. He won't use an abortion litmus test on potential SC justices. He could get behind universal health once he thinks about it. He doesn't care about business, except for his own. In fact, the Republicans hate him. And if Republicans hate him, that means he's ok, right?
Clinton is dedicated to helping her minority base. She will likely move money to programs for them. But is she dedicated to The Brexit Class? Will she stand up to Disney and Goldman Sachs?
It's easier for those of us who are doing ok economically to say no to Trump and vote for Clinton. But what about the liberals of The Brexit Class? Will they vote with their hearts, or for their wallets?
HMS Clinton is in troubled waters.
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"Clinton is dedicated to helping her minority base. She will likely move money to programs for them" ....indeed, she must keep the democrat plantation operational.
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Hillary Clinton has much bigger things to settle, like the FBI knocking on her door. Much bigger scandals going on than any of the characters in the British scramble....
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I suspect Obama has the FBI on a leash and they will not touch crooked Hillary. Nice to have friends in high places.
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MIllions of dollars & hours wasted investigating Hillary Clinton - and nothing has ever turned up. Sounds pretty settled to me.
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I hope when the real discussions and debates happen Mr. Trump will put his ego in his pocket and expose Hillary Clinton for who she really is....a liar and a fraud. She sings any song that she thinks the voters will listen to and has no foundation for her moralistic diatribes against Mr. Trump.
Is he perfect...NO! But, in comparison to Mrs. Clinton he is able to read the sentiment of the voters and is beng listened to..for now. Hopefully, someone will giv ehim an injection of humility.
Is he perfect...NO! But, in comparison to Mrs. Clinton he is able to read the sentiment of the voters and is beng listened to..for now. Hopefully, someone will giv ehim an injection of humility.
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So here we have the progressive left falling in line with the ultimate status quo, corrupt, influence peddling neocon - bought ten fold by the Wall Street financial cabal (and by extension, the international banks).
The status quo globalist Mrs Nixon will win this election, but it will be match that lights the fuse on the populist time bomb of which Brexit and Trumpism foreshadow. The rich will continue to get richer, the poorest folk will be placate with ever expanding welfare while the working classes who pay for both, will continue to have their pockets picked and saving destroyed.
I am sitting this election out.
The status quo globalist Mrs Nixon will win this election, but it will be match that lights the fuse on the populist time bomb of which Brexit and Trumpism foreshadow. The rich will continue to get richer, the poorest folk will be placate with ever expanding welfare while the working classes who pay for both, will continue to have their pockets picked and saving destroyed.
I am sitting this election out.
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Please don't "sit out this election". There is something good about Trump; there is nothing, NOTHING good about Hillary.
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No big deal, Hil' is the master Chameleon.
The P.U. could ban all Womyn Southern Democrats and she'd make lemonade with it.
The P.U. could ban all Womyn Southern Democrats and she'd make lemonade with it.
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The hypocritical Republican Party leadership is openly backing Donald Trump. They believe that the people in this country are too ignorant and xenophobic to care one bit about who he really is. They are putting their money on someone who is mentally disturbed and has nothing but contempt for what our nation has fought and died for. Trump is their golden boy, not by choice, but by virtue of sheer political incompetence.
To paraphrase George Carlin - you cannot defeat an idiot on their own terms. It makes complete sense for Hillary to continue to sensibly address the economic concerns of those who can understand what is at risk. The real problem facing the US electorate is whether or not the Democratic Party will be able to unite in the face of the enormous threat posed by a mentally disturbed Donald Trump, .
Bernie's message is accurate but he has lost the contest for the nomination. Now his supporters must reject self-righteousness in the face of rising Trumpist fascism. Pragmatism in defense of liberty and civility is no vice. A Republican victory will signal a right wing Supreme Court, continuing voter suppression and the end to everything Sanders has fought for.
To paraphrase George Carlin - you cannot defeat an idiot on their own terms. It makes complete sense for Hillary to continue to sensibly address the economic concerns of those who can understand what is at risk. The real problem facing the US electorate is whether or not the Democratic Party will be able to unite in the face of the enormous threat posed by a mentally disturbed Donald Trump, .
Bernie's message is accurate but he has lost the contest for the nomination. Now his supporters must reject self-righteousness in the face of rising Trumpist fascism. Pragmatism in defense of liberty and civility is no vice. A Republican victory will signal a right wing Supreme Court, continuing voter suppression and the end to everything Sanders has fought for.
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I am frankly not certain that Trump crypto-fascism is actually any worse than oligarchy.
That they are still concentrating on slogans is telling of the Hillary campaign. It's a train wreck.
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I had to stop reading at "cautious"----look at the stuff she actually did----cautious??? (if it was written satirically, my mistake)
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"...she is instructing or talking down to her audience."
Only natural since her "Audience " is made up of Persons Unclear On The Concept"- ie: persons stupid enough to overlook her criminality, and abandonment of the sovereignty of the United States in favor of Internationalism.
Only natural since her "Audience " is made up of Persons Unclear On The Concept"- ie: persons stupid enough to overlook her criminality, and abandonment of the sovereignty of the United States in favor of Internationalism.
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I'm shocked that a criminal off her ilk has succeeded in becoming the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, and even more shocked that there are still millions being fooled by this modern-day Boss Tweed, much more dangerous than the Boss Tweed of of the NY Democratic Political machine of the 1850's, given that she controls and manages political corruption on a national scale, selling access to the Oval Office, nationally and internationally, all of which is known.
If there is any smidgen of decency left anywhere in our corporate owned government, some last defender of our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, must expose her.
If there is any smidgen of decency left anywhere in our corporate owned government, some last defender of our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, must expose her.
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When folks have anxiety they can either seek radical change- a leap of desperate faith- or cherish stability, rationality and lower risk.
Demonizing federal governance is an attitude that fuels Montana paranoid militias, racists and others who foolishly blame 'united we stand' as loss of their individual 'liberty.'
When there is a catastrophic natural disaster- do we hear these folks wave off federal aid ? Who builds bridges, keeps water drinkable (mostly), protects the power grid, keeps planes from crashing, blocks epidemic diseases, maintains civilized standards for food, medication, medical care, financial systems ??
If folks do not want to live in a coherent society with the huge ,benefits of shared assets, protections, oversight - then move to a country where no one is organized...try Honduras !
The founding fathers made it clear- the general welfare/public good was not best served by fractious regional interests or fundamentalist clans. The founding fathers understood we needed wise legislators to balance emotional distortions, short term fears with sound long term good.
That is truly the American way.
Demonizing federal governance is an attitude that fuels Montana paranoid militias, racists and others who foolishly blame 'united we stand' as loss of their individual 'liberty.'
When there is a catastrophic natural disaster- do we hear these folks wave off federal aid ? Who builds bridges, keeps water drinkable (mostly), protects the power grid, keeps planes from crashing, blocks epidemic diseases, maintains civilized standards for food, medication, medical care, financial systems ??
If folks do not want to live in a coherent society with the huge ,benefits of shared assets, protections, oversight - then move to a country where no one is organized...try Honduras !
The founding fathers made it clear- the general welfare/public good was not best served by fractious regional interests or fundamentalist clans. The founding fathers understood we needed wise legislators to balance emotional distortions, short term fears with sound long term good.
That is truly the American way.
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First, this unrest among The People is more about them being told by politicians -- and yes, Donald and Bernie are politicians -- that they are angry than people actually being angry. If citizens of either the US or the UK were as upset as politicians have roiled them up to be where were they in the US two years ago during the mid-term elections to effect change? And where will they be in 2020 to go to the polls and have their voices heard?
No, this is all about who can get their message through successfully. Donald and Bernie have been the loudest and the most alarmist and. therefore, the most "exciting." But it is Secretary Hillary Clinton who is, in fact, the voice of reason and to get things done you have to elect the people who can actually get things done. That isn't Trump and it isn't Senator Sanders.
The Brexit vote should, in fact, send a warning to Americans that blindly listening to politicians with messages of doom isn't the smartest thing to do without educating yourself on the issues as well. According to reports in the wake of the Friday vote, many Brits did not understand what they were voting for. This proves that an uneducated and ill-informed voter is the pawn by which extremists on both sides of the Pond.
As a life-long Democrat and strong Hillary supporter, I believe she is the steady hand that can make progress in the right direction and protect the US from external and internal negative forces.
No, this is all about who can get their message through successfully. Donald and Bernie have been the loudest and the most alarmist and. therefore, the most "exciting." But it is Secretary Hillary Clinton who is, in fact, the voice of reason and to get things done you have to elect the people who can actually get things done. That isn't Trump and it isn't Senator Sanders.
The Brexit vote should, in fact, send a warning to Americans that blindly listening to politicians with messages of doom isn't the smartest thing to do without educating yourself on the issues as well. According to reports in the wake of the Friday vote, many Brits did not understand what they were voting for. This proves that an uneducated and ill-informed voter is the pawn by which extremists on both sides of the Pond.
As a life-long Democrat and strong Hillary supporter, I believe she is the steady hand that can make progress in the right direction and protect the US from external and internal negative forces.
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Now that has solved the problem ...the difference...between Hillary Clinton
and Donald J. Trump....and why..
Because Hillary IS reasonable...and Donald J. Trump is ...unreasonable..
and
Because Hillary IS NOT resentful and does not cajole more of people's resentments...but reasonably tries to solve those who have issues.
Conversely...Donald J. Trump....foments FEAR....and incites RESENTMENT...
and the crowds follow Trump...like sheep ...or blind mice...
So...I think I would trust someone reasonable...than someone who would
find followers who react to fear and resentment..
And...so will the British who will be reasonable...and perhaps re order the
EU altogether...and yes the British will do so...REASONABLY....and keep
their COOL...and that
The parallel of the mindset of the British and Donald Trump...are polar opposite.
and Donald J. Trump....and why..
Because Hillary IS reasonable...and Donald J. Trump is ...unreasonable..
and
Because Hillary IS NOT resentful and does not cajole more of people's resentments...but reasonably tries to solve those who have issues.
Conversely...Donald J. Trump....foments FEAR....and incites RESENTMENT...
and the crowds follow Trump...like sheep ...or blind mice...
So...I think I would trust someone reasonable...than someone who would
find followers who react to fear and resentment..
And...so will the British who will be reasonable...and perhaps re order the
EU altogether...and yes the British will do so...REASONABLY....and keep
their COOL...and that
The parallel of the mindset of the British and Donald Trump...are polar opposite.
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The main points about Trump are that his trade policies as stated are to the left of Clinton's, and he was opposed to the Iraq War, the consequences of which are costing us plenty. This is what the working class, a large part of the middle class, and the poor care about. The rest is just boutique politics by comparison. It is most unfortunate that the Democrats did everything they could to sink Senator Sanders.
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Trump expressed support for the Iraq War in September 2002. His trade war policies, according to a study by Moody's, would cause a recession in the US during his first year in office, as well as the loss of millions of American jobs.
(And Sanders voted twice for regime change in Iraq as well as for funding of the Iraq War. Studies show that his policies would increase the US debt by $21 trillion in 10 years.)
(And Sanders voted twice for regime change in Iraq as well as for funding of the Iraq War. Studies show that his policies would increase the US debt by $21 trillion in 10 years.)
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Trump has no policies only wisps of smoke that change with the wind. Furthermore, he lied about being against the war in Iraq: Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002, months before the war started. Stern asked Trump directly if he supported going to war with Iraq, and Trump hesitantly responded, “Yeah, I guess so.” He changed his position like many well after the war started. Trump is a complete fake.
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I am simply not convinced that the United States, and its politics, can be equated neatly with Britain's. Britain is a fine little island nation that used to control an empire spanning the world, but it has lost its colonies, and it now has four small parts: Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland, England. See the map.
The United States is a federation of fifty contentious states that nearly fill a continent (apologies to Canada here), touch two oceans, reach from Florida to Alaska, and contain (let's echo Walt Whitman) multitudes. We've been fighting and insulting each other for many years. And, again and again, we have compromised, and progressed.
I trust that more Americans are coming to recognize that Trump is a despicable fraud. Yes, many voters hate Washington, in the same way that the Brexit voters hate Brussels (and Germany and France).
But we've been playing this twenty-questions game of what constitutes the United States for a long time. Many people died for it in the 1860s. It's ugly. We don't do it nicely.
And yet we are not Europe. We have, oddly, a united history. I actually almost believe that will save us from Donald Trump.
The United States is a federation of fifty contentious states that nearly fill a continent (apologies to Canada here), touch two oceans, reach from Florida to Alaska, and contain (let's echo Walt Whitman) multitudes. We've been fighting and insulting each other for many years. And, again and again, we have compromised, and progressed.
I trust that more Americans are coming to recognize that Trump is a despicable fraud. Yes, many voters hate Washington, in the same way that the Brexit voters hate Brussels (and Germany and France).
But we've been playing this twenty-questions game of what constitutes the United States for a long time. Many people died for it in the 1860s. It's ugly. We don't do it nicely.
And yet we are not Europe. We have, oddly, a united history. I actually almost believe that will save us from Donald Trump.
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Mrs. Clinton is only associated with changes such as NAFTA and deregulation of Wall Street. The changes Americans are seeking benefit the many and not the few. Mrs. Clinton's history reflects a partiality to Big Banking and Corporate interest.
If the "Average American" has a 401K, it is so small that market fluctuations are not a concern the owner. Mr. Nides' comment reflect how much he and Mrs. Clinton are attuned to the needs of those with extensive investments and huge 401K balances.
We need extensive change in the distribution of wealth, access to education, and health care for all. We are looking for sweeping corrections to the system now, not tweaks around the edges as Mrs. Clinton proposes.
If the "Average American" has a 401K, it is so small that market fluctuations are not a concern the owner. Mr. Nides' comment reflect how much he and Mrs. Clinton are attuned to the needs of those with extensive investments and huge 401K balances.
We need extensive change in the distribution of wealth, access to education, and health care for all. We are looking for sweeping corrections to the system now, not tweaks around the edges as Mrs. Clinton proposes.
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Fortunately for Mrs. Clinton, she can afford a message factory that churns out a slogan for each and every shift in the political wind. "Stronger Together" has a relatively short shelf life, obviously, but already in the on-deck circle is "Hillary: All Sides of All Issues."
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The anti Brexit campaign was built on the media and political elite telling the ignorant masses that the sky would fall unless they voted to stay. The trouble is that people don't like the elites telling them what's in their best interests, especially when it seems the elite have their own best interests in mind. Hillary needs to learn a lesson - a campaign based on the elite lecturing us that the sky will fall if Trump gets elected is very risky.
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Please get back to us when the sky does, in fact, fall on your head.
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trying to fabricate linkage between the brexit results and Hillary Clinton is nothing more than a conservative fantasy.
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I suggest you read Robert Reich's "Aftershock". He talks about the rise of someone like Trump back in 2010. All Big Money and things like Citizens United do is make it easier for politicians to wh*re themselves around. Count on cycles of recession, anemic recoveries and populist "heroes" until wealth inequality is addressed. And I am no socialist -- think of Henry Ford paying his laborers generously -- so that they could afford to buy his cars. Henry was not a socialist -- although he was called so at the time. Globalization has been around at least since Roman traders travelled the Silk Route. But it has gotten linked to the rise of the corporate superstate -- which are beholden to noe but the corporation's owners. Brits were forced to support (financially) a government that was unaccountable to them -- sounds like a case of taxation without representation. Immigration concerns, a partner of globalization, are exacerbated buy Islamic terrorist -- "Not only do THEY take our jobs and live on our tax dollars, THEY are murdering us ion the streets".
Don't fool yourself, it can happen here.
Don't fool yourself, it can happen here.
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Although Clinton, with the massive support of the establishment, may possibly defeat Trump in November, the underlying issues fueling his campaign will not go away. Clinton is Wall Street's choice , and with her election, sundown on America will continue and accelerate.
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Cryptic Voter here. All my democratic voter friends and family are confident I will reluctantly vote Hillary. When I get in that booth I will vote green or write in Sanders but no way will give my vote to Hillary. Sorry.
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For the 4 months prior to June 7th, Sanders was leading against Trump by double digits while Hillary's numbers against Trump were tepid at best. But The DNC gambled on Hillary, changing calendars, marketing Clinton to the electorate through super-delegates, creating their own super pac for Hillary, and muscling state party leaders,because she was a woman. They ignored the public anger over corporate control of the political process that propelled Sanders to win 45% of the primary vote in spite of their actions to fix the election for Hillary. Now Hillary's numbers in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida are still in single digits, if not in a statistical dead heat with Trump and it looks like he may have a real shot at the Presidency. But we do have the first woman nominee from a major party running for president. It is ironic the the first woman nominee of a major party is also the first nominee of a major political party to have her previous actions as an official of the U.S. Government are the subject of a criminal investigation by the FBI. If Trump does win the DNC is entirely to blame for gambling on what they knew full well to be a weaker candidate against Trump.
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The Clintons Are the DNC. It will be Obama who decides if he wants to put in the effort to lead it after he leaves office. He hasn't shown any inclination toward hard work yet.. We'll know that answer when Mr. Comey delivers his packet.
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DNC: she may be weaker, but she's our buddy. She'll do what our donors want us to do.
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RockStone--Actually, it's Repuglicans who are allergic to work.
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Trump's low-information supporters (the majority) are blinded by rage and hatred to the point where they don’t understand or even care what nonsense Trump spouts. They are enthralled by his belligerent rants devoid of logic, facts and truth.
It is a very good sign that Hillary is beginning to incorporate much of Bernie’s message in her speeches but die-hard Trumpists have absolutely no interest in what Hillary says or how she says it.
It is a very good sign that Hillary is beginning to incorporate much of Bernie’s message in her speeches but die-hard Trumpists have absolutely no interest in what Hillary says or how she says it.
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.... many smart people will stay away from both Hillary and Trump, because as it is now, it is a lose-lose situation.
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She may be changing her speech now, but how good is it when she will still be a Wall Street hack when election is over?
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Hillary is not a leader. She is only spouting Bernie's message in a late and lame effort to gain as many of his supporters as she can which I doubt will be many. I for one will never vote for Her Corruptness. Maybe the anger is at her for her lies and her selling of our country to line her own pockets. Trump isn't a polished liar like hillary is but guess what....talk is cheap!!! Whatever she says now won't matter when it's all said and done and she discards everything she's said in her attempt to be in a position to line her pockets at our expense all over again. Hillary for prison, 2016. I'll vote "Anybody But Clinton".
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"reasonableness instead of resentment" misses the point entirely. good. Clinton snd her campaign are void of substance, tone deaf and, therefore, message mute-- there's simply nothing there there. "reasonableness instead of resentment" is like "together we lead us forward to our future" Meaningless. We are going to our future inexorably and we certainly don't want old socialist hippies to lead. Those ideas are dead.
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Technology and globalization have taken a great toll on the standard of living of far too many people in developed countries.
Simply put, there is a global oversupply of labor and the private sector cannot solve that problem.
Technological advances can't be stopped.
If the power elite of the planet want continued globalization, then they must become active in creating alternate public sector jobs: infrastructure projects, health care, education, recreation.
Simply put, there is a global oversupply of labor and the private sector cannot solve that problem.
Technological advances can't be stopped.
If the power elite of the planet want continued globalization, then they must become active in creating alternate public sector jobs: infrastructure projects, health care, education, recreation.
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You may think the Tea Party, and friends, was destroyed by slander and innuendo but we've merely learned to duck down when the wild rabble turn their childish attention on us. We're just waiting for November.
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Every company that made steam locomotives went out of business when diesels came into the market. Everyone you are describing and listening to is in the steam train business, they not only don't get it they can't get it.
We need to burn the house down and start over, Obama don't get it, Clinton don't get it. Sanders was our last hope. Me, I don't vote in Republican primaries, so I'll sit out the one in November.
We need to burn the house down and start over, Obama don't get it, Clinton don't get it. Sanders was our last hope. Me, I don't vote in Republican primaries, so I'll sit out the one in November.
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WHat is Obama doing to try and put out the fires in Europe? We are the main guarantor of NATO and England was our primary enforcer and ally. With a broken Britain, what will happen to NATO? As a former Secretary of State, One should be able to expect Mrs Clinton to have very strong feelings about restoring the strength of the Atlantic Alliance, regardless of the EU Beauracracy or Mrs Merkel's Christian compassion for everyone south of Greece except the Greeks.
This is why Eisenhower and even Nixon were trusted, as well as LBJ, Truman and all our Presidents 'till now.
Once there was a time when all political nonsense, like that of DT's DTs, ended at the water and all Americans pulled as one to ensure a stable and safe Europe. This is not the time to let the clowns run the show. Both Obama and Mrs Clinton need to behave responsibly and encourage the Europeans and British to forget their differences for the good of all. Germany sure ain't gonna keep the peace with the help of France.
This is why Eisenhower and even Nixon were trusted, as well as LBJ, Truman and all our Presidents 'till now.
Once there was a time when all political nonsense, like that of DT's DTs, ended at the water and all Americans pulled as one to ensure a stable and safe Europe. This is not the time to let the clowns run the show. Both Obama and Mrs Clinton need to behave responsibly and encourage the Europeans and British to forget their differences for the good of all. Germany sure ain't gonna keep the peace with the help of France.
Secretary Clinton must realize that her raggedy band of geriatrics, I being among them, can not carry her to victory. Bernie Sanders was consistently found to be more likely to win in November than she. If she has half a mind, she'll make every effort to promote the Sanders platform and embrace the Sanders supporters with grace and gratitude.
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Your concern is duly noted. BTW, today's ABC poll shows her crushing Trump and gaining 80% of Bernie Sanders supporters. Looks like she's doing just fine, in spite of the alternate reality presented here in these comments.
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I hope Clinton does promote the Sanders platform, including as president if she wins.
However, she won't gain my vote by promoting it before the election. I simply do not trust her.
She is on the side of the corporations, not the majority of the people. I'll never believe she has changed until I see it.
Yes, this election puts our country at great risk, as Donald Trump is wildly unqualified to be president. But the country has been going rapidly downhill for decades, and for the good of the people, I will no longer vote for establishment Democrats.
However, she won't gain my vote by promoting it before the election. I simply do not trust her.
She is on the side of the corporations, not the majority of the people. I'll never believe she has changed until I see it.
Yes, this election puts our country at great risk, as Donald Trump is wildly unqualified to be president. But the country has been going rapidly downhill for decades, and for the good of the people, I will no longer vote for establishment Democrats.
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November is over four months away and Hillary Clinton is every bit as target-rich an environment as is Donald Trump, though the targets differ. Much mud is yet to be flung.
The Brits who wanted to stay in the E.U, had polls showing them winning right up to the day before they lost.
The Brits who wanted to stay in the E.U, had polls showing them winning right up to the day before they lost.
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This message spin should give way to critical reasoning skills, if you have any. I do not connect with nor am I drawn to the style (entertaining and bellicose) of a message instead of its meaning and the facts supporting it.
And I don't connect with nor am I entertained by reality TV.
No surprise to find the common theme of amount of education versus Trump support or Brexit.
And I don't connect with nor am I entertained by reality TV.
No surprise to find the common theme of amount of education versus Trump support or Brexit.
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One important, common factor between Brexit support and Bernie's support is social media. Users of social media are, in general, better informed than consumers of mainstream media (given its corporate and political biases.) Despite the higher average age of the "Leave EU" side, they relied even more on social media, much like Bernie supporters..... this is remarkable. Our election and this referendum are really about access to good information. I still believe the truth will prevail - even if it takes "tweets" and "snapchats".
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Finally NY Times! Has Brexit opened your eyes? Do you finally see the light Bernie Sanders has been pointing out for the past year? You dismissed him as an idealistic fringe candidate and kept urging us ‘Progressives’ who support his platform to be 'practical' and go with Clinton. This despite how deeply unpopular she is amongst many Democrats and Independents, loathed by most Republicans, and unconvincing in her promises to address our issues, like unprecedented Wall Street influence on Government. I've been told by Hillary fans, some of whom are (still) friends of mine, that us Bernie supporters are 'myopic and naive' whereas I believe he saw the writing on the wall, we recognized the truth in it, and he formed his platform to address exactly the concerns that otherwise drove people to vote for Trump and the Brits to leave the EU. Yet the Democratic Party has tried to bury his message and ignore him, and you have been complicit. Just the kind of arrogant 'we know better than you Hoi Polloi' attitude by politicians, power brokers and opinion makers in the media that got Britain to where it is today. I hope this has opened Hillary’s eyes too, and that she is listening for once, not to the likes of Debbie Wasserman Shultz, and others with so much vested interest in the status quo, but to the people she has ignored for too long, who will not be telling her what she wants to hear, but what she needs to understand. Or Trump could very likely be our next President.
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I am a person of great faith.
I believe in American Exceptionalism and that we will elect a true conservative.
We can then shut down Planned Parenthood.
And we can arm more people.
And this will cure all the past ills from 35 years of Trickle Down Economics.
I believe in American Exceptionalism and that we will elect a true conservative.
We can then shut down Planned Parenthood.
And we can arm more people.
And this will cure all the past ills from 35 years of Trickle Down Economics.
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am I reading The Onion?
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Yes you are :-)
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What a stupid statement Hillary's campaign just made. If she (and Obama) can solve the problems the masses have been screaming about, why didn't thy do it over the past 7 1/2 years? Vote for her and you'll have more misery!
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Hmm. Why didn't Obama fix the United States during the last seven years and make it more fair and easy and comfortable and safe for those who have little money?
Consider this little word, "gop." Gop, gop, gop.
GOP
Consider this little word, "gop." Gop, gop, gop.
GOP
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Consider this: Treasury secretary, Treasury secretary
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The DC punditry is abuzz comparing the 90% white Brexit voting electorate with the 69% white US voting electorate. The parallels are with the GOP electorate, which is 94% white. And, our immigration discussions regard Hispanics already in our country, not Muslims trying to gain access, as is the fear in UK
Alternatively, can Hillary re-frame this to her advantage?
Here in the UK just 3 days later people are panicking. Our currently is at a 30 year low. Our economy is on the verge of recession and our political parties are in chaos. We have no idea what is going to happen to the exchange rate, the interest rate and how EU subsidies are to be replaced. Companies have already announced plans to move jobs from the UK to Europe and Scotland is almost certain to secede.
Please let our calamitous example help you avoid our mistake.
Here in the UK just 3 days later people are panicking. Our currently is at a 30 year low. Our economy is on the verge of recession and our political parties are in chaos. We have no idea what is going to happen to the exchange rate, the interest rate and how EU subsidies are to be replaced. Companies have already announced plans to move jobs from the UK to Europe and Scotland is almost certain to secede.
Please let our calamitous example help you avoid our mistake.
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In reading through Mrs. Clinton's comments here, who can tell me what she intends to do/not do regarding (a) American corporations moving overseas to avoid taxes while taking advantage of the American middle class as a market; (b) the income inequality the American middle class is suffering; (c) "fair trade" deals existing or pending; (d) bringing more foreigners to the US to take away middle class jobs (tech included with all those visa grants).
Answer: Not possible - here I quote:
"I'm a progressive who gets results" When? Where? What means
"progressive"?
"make sure our economy works for everyone, not just those at the top"
Hmmm... reading this, seems like the top still get top billing to me
reject "bad trade deals and unfair trade practices" which ones? what is
bad? what does reject mean?
To me this sounds like empty sloganeering and "Vote for Me" (and you'll find out what I'll do / not do, after the election, as is so typical in this society
I'm no fan of Mr. Trump - but - please Mrs. Clinton - some specifics - what do you intend to do and not do? I want to know, or I may sit this one out.
Answer: Not possible - here I quote:
"I'm a progressive who gets results" When? Where? What means
"progressive"?
"make sure our economy works for everyone, not just those at the top"
Hmmm... reading this, seems like the top still get top billing to me
reject "bad trade deals and unfair trade practices" which ones? what is
bad? what does reject mean?
To me this sounds like empty sloganeering and "Vote for Me" (and you'll find out what I'll do / not do, after the election, as is so typical in this society
I'm no fan of Mr. Trump - but - please Mrs. Clinton - some specifics - what do you intend to do and not do? I want to know, or I may sit this one out.
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Anger is not a good foundation for policy, but sometimes it is all people have. The more I hear the powerful, the politicians, the academics tell me what I must believe, the more my instincts tell me to believe otherwise. My gut tells me that rocking the boat is the only rational choice. I fear it will be a bumpy ride.
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It is not Hillary’s chronological age that troubles me, it is the staleness of the idea that elites know better and that everyone that questions the status quo of corruption and non-responsive bureaucracy must be flawed in their thinking. The empress has no cloths and the naked truth is not very appealing.
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Now there's a visual I don't need!
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I still remember Obama standing near a bridge in one of the so-called "Blue Collar" states strongly urging Congress to pass key infrastructure bills which would not only fix crumbling bridges, roads, water systems, etc., but also put people back to work in America. This and similar appeals over the years went nowhere since the GOP was politically smart enough to not give BHO a notable victory in these key swing states. Smart enough to now allow the same GOP to run on the Brexit-like fears of the same people they refused to help.
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If Mrs. Clinton changed her stands on cautious incremental change to more Bernie like views she would be attacked for being a flip-flopper and more dishonest that people already believe she is.
In a troubled world a steady hand is needed. She needs to hang tough on her positions and hope for some sanity in the electorate.
In a troubled world a steady hand is needed. She needs to hang tough on her positions and hope for some sanity in the electorate.
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HRC's Democratic Platform will have a far more negative impact on her Presidential campaign than Brexit.
Brexiters voted to leave because they lack employment and because they are afraid of immigrants--two loudly resonating notes in Trump's campaign. They reject multinational trade accords.
The DNC platform and Hillary have endorsed the TPP and the cross-Atlantic version, TAFTA. These accords guarantee US job erosion. Their by-laws state that if a country lowers their members' revenue, through human rights, salary and job protection laws or tariffs, the signator companies can sue that country for any losses.
There will be no laws, tariffs or incentives to encourage companies to keep jobs in the US. Jobs will continue to be outsourced to countries with the lowest wages, or slaves.
The DNC platform and HRC also support worldwide fracking (she started the State Dept. program for it), and an incrementally applied $15 minimum wage NOT indexed to cost of living. It is clear that HRC stands for multinationals-- not the American people.
Both Brexiters and the "Stay" voters, and all of the EU, are against trade agreements and fracking. Germany is the latest to ban all fracking. Socially, all EU countries, and the UK, provide living wages and a larger safety net, through laws and taxes.
It's not the Brexit that will negatively impact HRC's run. It's her turning a deaf ear to the American people, ignoring the environment and catering to Republican endorsers and the 1%.
Brexiters voted to leave because they lack employment and because they are afraid of immigrants--two loudly resonating notes in Trump's campaign. They reject multinational trade accords.
The DNC platform and Hillary have endorsed the TPP and the cross-Atlantic version, TAFTA. These accords guarantee US job erosion. Their by-laws state that if a country lowers their members' revenue, through human rights, salary and job protection laws or tariffs, the signator companies can sue that country for any losses.
There will be no laws, tariffs or incentives to encourage companies to keep jobs in the US. Jobs will continue to be outsourced to countries with the lowest wages, or slaves.
The DNC platform and HRC also support worldwide fracking (she started the State Dept. program for it), and an incrementally applied $15 minimum wage NOT indexed to cost of living. It is clear that HRC stands for multinationals-- not the American people.
Both Brexiters and the "Stay" voters, and all of the EU, are against trade agreements and fracking. Germany is the latest to ban all fracking. Socially, all EU countries, and the UK, provide living wages and a larger safety net, through laws and taxes.
It's not the Brexit that will negatively impact HRC's run. It's her turning a deaf ear to the American people, ignoring the environment and catering to Republican endorsers and the 1%.
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The United States, Australia, and the United Kingdom, all have similar issues. Their grovernments no longer represent the People's interests, but only enriching themselves.
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Reading the headline, I can't help but think that along with the gloomy shadow, Hillary is also on very thin ice.
The ice was very thin on Lake Dunmore this winter where I live in the summer and the annual ice-fishing contest was almost cancelled because of it.
It is said it had something to do with el nino - and more severe this year because of climate change.
HRC may have cracked the glass ceiling, on her way to being anointed, but unlike Margaret Thatcher, who led the parade for the grand experiment, subjecting the peasants to 35-years of neo-liberal hocus-pocus voodoo economics, HRC may find her self being rejected.
She represents the problem in AmeriKa.
She is the problem.
The ice was very thin on Lake Dunmore this winter where I live in the summer and the annual ice-fishing contest was almost cancelled because of it.
It is said it had something to do with el nino - and more severe this year because of climate change.
HRC may have cracked the glass ceiling, on her way to being anointed, but unlike Margaret Thatcher, who led the parade for the grand experiment, subjecting the peasants to 35-years of neo-liberal hocus-pocus voodoo economics, HRC may find her self being rejected.
She represents the problem in AmeriKa.
She is the problem.
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The Clinton campaign is 'tone deaf' to the anger and frustration of working people in this country. I can't believe how intellectual the tone of her comments are, when many people simply feel they have not been listened to and that career politicians don't care about them. The anger Americans are feeling may lead them to 'shoot themselves in the foot', particularly if Clinton brushes off Sanders, who knows how to listen and articulate from the heart the pain people are feeling. Democrats will need more of a 'heart' message than a 'head' message to win in November.
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Powerful historical processes are at work. Slick Hilly, her advisors, the Clintonistas, the DNC, and the NYT have no clue. Their intellectual inertia and lack of vision and perspective will coronate an emotionally unstable bigot.
These head-in-the-sand types will blame Sanders and his 12 million supporters for President Trumpster.
The Clintonista's and the global 0.1% are not riding the wave of history, which carries all. The Trumpster and Sanders and the global 99.9% are - they will win. Only a fool would bet against time.
The Trumpster does not understand the historical forces at work - he stupidly believes it's all about him. Whereas Sanders knows exactly what's happening, although he's surprised at how strong the force is - but he knows it has nothing to do with him.
Clinton is just clueless. She and her supporters also think it's all about them. They're headed for the dustbin of history.
The global Great Unraveling now begun may turn out to be Marx's world revolution, and not a moment too soon (historical processes are always on time). The global 99.9% have had enough of the global 0.1%.
Sanders is not radical - his way is strategic and non-violent, a necessary and timely dismantling of the corrupt world order. But the force is too strong - it wants blood. And so we watch that rough beast, the Trumpster Bomb, approach.
Every Sandanista must 1) vote for Slick Hilly - as a vote against Trump, and 2) organize for our global takeover in 4-years.
These head-in-the-sand types will blame Sanders and his 12 million supporters for President Trumpster.
The Clintonista's and the global 0.1% are not riding the wave of history, which carries all. The Trumpster and Sanders and the global 99.9% are - they will win. Only a fool would bet against time.
The Trumpster does not understand the historical forces at work - he stupidly believes it's all about him. Whereas Sanders knows exactly what's happening, although he's surprised at how strong the force is - but he knows it has nothing to do with him.
Clinton is just clueless. She and her supporters also think it's all about them. They're headed for the dustbin of history.
The global Great Unraveling now begun may turn out to be Marx's world revolution, and not a moment too soon (historical processes are always on time). The global 99.9% have had enough of the global 0.1%.
Sanders is not radical - his way is strategic and non-violent, a necessary and timely dismantling of the corrupt world order. But the force is too strong - it wants blood. And so we watch that rough beast, the Trumpster Bomb, approach.
Every Sandanista must 1) vote for Slick Hilly - as a vote against Trump, and 2) organize for our global takeover in 4-years.
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Great rant! Bring back Communism! We all know how well that worked!
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Labor in America is literally dying, addicted to drugs, obese, underemployed and unappreciated. Globalization and mechanization, the triumph of computerized systems over humans in accomplishing all kinds of work, has meant the dominance of Capital over Labor, increasing the flow of money to the owners over the workers. Clinton does not even pretend to understand this. Trump blathers idiocies, exploits racist and reactionary tendencies, and shows no sign of actually being able to fix what is wrong. Sanders gets it, and the Democratic Party now has the chance to simultaneously address worker's needs and maintain the Western Alliance. The question is whether HRC and her supporters (big banks, the corporations) will realize in time what needs to be said and done, or will the opportunity be lost, engendering who knows what consequences in November and beyond. This is not a time for complacency or "Business as Usual".
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Betting sites, considered more accurate than polling, have Hillary winning handily in November. Consider: 50% of U.S. economic growth since the end of the Great Recession has occurred in just 20 counties. Small business closure rate is exceeding new business generation, and small businesses account for ~2/3's of net new jobs. Manufacturing, a traditional path to the middle class, continues to shrink. Productivity is essentially stalled. Despite President Obama's frequent positive comments on economic growth, the majority of people don't see it & their frustration has been building for years. Bill Clinton recently commented on the extent of wage stagnation. Betting sites also had Remain winning 9 to 1.
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The DNC and Hillary supporters are as detached from reality as the elites in Britain. Of course the same must be said for the RNC, as well. Our economy is closely intertwined with two mutually antagonistic issues, trade and immigration, yet both parties expect us to believe that more of the same old black magic will create prosperity for all.
A cold hard fact is that a substantial majority of US citizens have not acquired the level of education that most of the party elites have attained. The average "Joe" is lucky to have a high school education so is easily turned off in particular by Clinton's long winded nuances and diatribes promulgated under a shadow of complicity and perpetual conflict. Meanwhile, Trump cuts to the chase and clearly addresses the emotions of those affected most by ill suited economic policies. The chronic criticisms leveled by the media make no difference because "the Donald" is right in tune with "Joe's" priorities.
It is unfortunate that both political parties, along with the media, refuse to admit the importance of immigration and trade policies to the average citizen. We've been shipping jobs oversees since Bill Clinton was president while allowing an unsustainable level of new job seekers into the domestic market here in the states. There of course is a strong parallel with what people have been dealing with in Britain and much of Europe so the writing is on the wall for those who choose to see it.
A cold hard fact is that a substantial majority of US citizens have not acquired the level of education that most of the party elites have attained. The average "Joe" is lucky to have a high school education so is easily turned off in particular by Clinton's long winded nuances and diatribes promulgated under a shadow of complicity and perpetual conflict. Meanwhile, Trump cuts to the chase and clearly addresses the emotions of those affected most by ill suited economic policies. The chronic criticisms leveled by the media make no difference because "the Donald" is right in tune with "Joe's" priorities.
It is unfortunate that both political parties, along with the media, refuse to admit the importance of immigration and trade policies to the average citizen. We've been shipping jobs oversees since Bill Clinton was president while allowing an unsustainable level of new job seekers into the domestic market here in the states. There of course is a strong parallel with what people have been dealing with in Britain and much of Europe so the writing is on the wall for those who choose to see it.
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"Her fundamental argument,...is that Americans should value stability and incremental change over the risks entailed...if Donald J. Trump wins the presidency."
My translation of this endorsement for Hillary Clinton is "Americans should want more of the same."
I don't want more ZIRP, the likelihood of more QE and a negative interest rate "Sword of Damocles". All of these because the "stability" misnomer is little to no growth, trillion dollar deficits and an already crushing National Debt of $20 trillion. All time highs on food stamps, all time highs of able bodied people not working and homeownership rates at decades lows.
Who in their right mind wants more of the same for America? Has Jimmy Carter been morphed into Barak Obama, or has Obama been this huge a failure on his own lack of merit.
The Crime Granny is simply an extension of the Obama Presidency only this time it will be the Clinton's walking off with the White House silver and being permitted to keep it.
My translation of this endorsement for Hillary Clinton is "Americans should want more of the same."
I don't want more ZIRP, the likelihood of more QE and a negative interest rate "Sword of Damocles". All of these because the "stability" misnomer is little to no growth, trillion dollar deficits and an already crushing National Debt of $20 trillion. All time highs on food stamps, all time highs of able bodied people not working and homeownership rates at decades lows.
Who in their right mind wants more of the same for America? Has Jimmy Carter been morphed into Barak Obama, or has Obama been this huge a failure on his own lack of merit.
The Crime Granny is simply an extension of the Obama Presidency only this time it will be the Clinton's walking off with the White House silver and being permitted to keep it.
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Spot on. For all the demagoguery on talk radio, today's democratic party is far closer to the golden days of the GOP's internationalist/business platform than today's GOP is. The current GOP consists mainly of charlatans who's main goal is to "out conservative" each other (whatever that term actually means these days), but few seem to have any clue how the economy runs, how foreign policy gets done, or how the 80% of the population in the middle class live, work, and dream. I used to be a Republican during the Reagan, and HW Bush years, and I voted for McCain (despite Palin). But whatever it is that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are selling just isn't resonating with me, never mind the Tea Party!. The GOP needs to crash and burn, and then whatever sane remnants arise from the ashes need a middle class and basic economy focused approach.
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Hillary is not cautious she is the leading purveyor of the economic snake oil that closing much of our manufacturing facilities and moving the jobs to Asia where you don't have to pay American wages will lead to more and better jobs in the USA This is of apiece with Alan Greenspan's economic snake oil that you need not worry about the banks as they wouldn't be crazy enough to crash the world's economy.
Hillary is not the political leader to rethink the assumption that a flexible globalised economy can generate prosperity that is widely shared - she is not part of the solution but part of the problem. Hillary, her husband, Obama and Bush - along with the upper middle class - were content to believe in the economic pixie dust of globalization and ignore the suffering of displaced American workers until the raise of populist candidates and now Brexit.
Hillary is not the political leader to rethink the assumption that a flexible globalised economy can generate prosperity that is widely shared - she is not part of the solution but part of the problem. Hillary, her husband, Obama and Bush - along with the upper middle class - were content to believe in the economic pixie dust of globalization and ignore the suffering of displaced American workers until the raise of populist candidates and now Brexit.
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"Stability and incremental change" Now, there's a slogan we can believe in. While The Donald is parading in front of the media in Scotland in what has turned out to be a brilliantly timed field trip, the tone deaf Clinton campaign is kicking off the national election with a message of . . . caution?
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Liberal internationalism seems to have been dying for a while just about says it all. Britain just unleashed openly what a lot people think privately. This is very bad news for Hillary.
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Hillary is not a liberal.
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This article and many of the comments assume the Brexit voters are being looked at as visionary and ahead of the curve. They are NOT. They have been exposed as fools and time is already showing how their stupidity is blowing up in their face. Hillary Clinton's approach is being vindicated by the fallout. This article has it completely backwards.
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And you're basing this on one day's stock market results?
You DO realize that election results are already baked into the market cake, right? The market only reacts if the result is different than what everybody bet it would be. If investors bet that the US would reinstate the Third Reich and it did, the markets would remain reasonably calm. Would that mean that the world thought that the reinstatement of the Third Reich was a good idea? No. It would mean that they had already prepared for such an outcome.
Clearly, the markets were betting that - in the end - the Brits would remain in the EU. The fact that they didn't triggered a correction. It may have been a one-day correction. Or, it may prove to be a several-week correction. But - either way - it's a correction. And - as with all other corrections - it, in turn, will be corrected.
You DO realize that election results are already baked into the market cake, right? The market only reacts if the result is different than what everybody bet it would be. If investors bet that the US would reinstate the Third Reich and it did, the markets would remain reasonably calm. Would that mean that the world thought that the reinstatement of the Third Reich was a good idea? No. It would mean that they had already prepared for such an outcome.
Clearly, the markets were betting that - in the end - the Brits would remain in the EU. The fact that they didn't triggered a correction. It may have been a one-day correction. Or, it may prove to be a several-week correction. But - either way - it's a correction. And - as with all other corrections - it, in turn, will be corrected.
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If our political leaders were voted in based on their experience and policy positions, Hillary would have been President for the last 8 years... Not Obama.
The endless articles about how voters are different in the US, that our issues are different, that people will be turned off by Trump's statements, et. al tell me the media and established politicians/policy makers are going to be in for a horrible surprise this November. People DO NOT vote with their minds... They vote their emotions, and their sense of which candidate they viscerally believe will help them the most (not the country, not the kumbaya of all races and religions, THEM. Period) It's how we're wired as humans... And it makes no difference what nationality you are, what the facts are, or what the issues are.
In the voting booth, away from pollsters and friends, where no one is seeing your vote, you will vote for the person who stirs the greatest emotions in you... Regardless of how crazy some positions sound. And that's why, as a lifelong Democrat I'm incredibly angry. I view Hillary's quest as nothing more than a vanity project...wasn't 8 years enough? I'm incredibly disappointed in my party for its lack of understanding of the political landscape.
Republicans may be publicly wary/scornful of Trump, but I imagine behind closed doors they are secretly rejoicing...they finally have the candidate that appeals to people's raw emotions. With Bernie out, all we Democrats can do now is pray for a miracle.
The endless articles about how voters are different in the US, that our issues are different, that people will be turned off by Trump's statements, et. al tell me the media and established politicians/policy makers are going to be in for a horrible surprise this November. People DO NOT vote with their minds... They vote their emotions, and their sense of which candidate they viscerally believe will help them the most (not the country, not the kumbaya of all races and religions, THEM. Period) It's how we're wired as humans... And it makes no difference what nationality you are, what the facts are, or what the issues are.
In the voting booth, away from pollsters and friends, where no one is seeing your vote, you will vote for the person who stirs the greatest emotions in you... Regardless of how crazy some positions sound. And that's why, as a lifelong Democrat I'm incredibly angry. I view Hillary's quest as nothing more than a vanity project...wasn't 8 years enough? I'm incredibly disappointed in my party for its lack of understanding of the political landscape.
Republicans may be publicly wary/scornful of Trump, but I imagine behind closed doors they are secretly rejoicing...they finally have the candidate that appeals to people's raw emotions. With Bernie out, all we Democrats can do now is pray for a miracle.
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Hillary Clinton's response to the Brexit vote was shallow. Rather than address the underlying issues that led to a vote that reverberated around the world she issued a generic statement about leadership. I expected more form someone who claims the mantle of global insight.
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Wow. You've really poked a stick into the nest of the Hilary Hating Hornets. Maybe they should stop buzzing for a minute and ask themselves: do I honestly think that Donald Trump would be a better president for the common man? and, what can I do to elect Democrats to Congress, so that the sludge of Republicans that is the block to any progressive legislation can be moved out of the way?
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Unfortunately, the news coming out about the Democratic platform is not encouraging. Look like Clinton is not learning anything. I expect her to change her stance on TPP as soon as she gets in office, assuming she gets there.
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HRC is Business As Usual.
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Look at Trump's budget proposal.
Trump is much worse than business as usual.
Trump is much worse than business as usual.
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PS -
And while I agree with a lot of criticisms of Hillary, compare her budget to that of Paul Ryan.
Worlds apart.
I would take Bernie but the lesser evil in this case will always be a Democrat.
By now the Republicans are incapable of any presidential candidate that will admit to believing in Evolution in public. Pretty pathetic.
Some how shutting down Planned Parenthood, repealing Obama Care, chanting USA, and arming more citizens is not going to undo 35 years of Trickle Down Economics.
And while I agree with a lot of criticisms of Hillary, compare her budget to that of Paul Ryan.
Worlds apart.
I would take Bernie but the lesser evil in this case will always be a Democrat.
By now the Republicans are incapable of any presidential candidate that will admit to believing in Evolution in public. Pretty pathetic.
Some how shutting down Planned Parenthood, repealing Obama Care, chanting USA, and arming more citizens is not going to undo 35 years of Trickle Down Economics.
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Actually, working-class folks in the US are MUCH WORSE OFF than working-class folks in Europe. How much are you willing to pay for a healthy baby? Because capitalism says to charge whatever the market will bear. Europeans pay only what it costs to actually deliver the services, which means they spend a fraction of what Americans do on health care, transportation, and education, even as they open first-rate services universally, instead of to just the well-to-do.
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“He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.”
Hillary says she has foreign policy experience because she gave Libya to ISIS.
Ms. Clinton's idea of her experience others might call utter failure.
Hillary says she has foreign policy experience because she gave Libya to ISIS.
Ms. Clinton's idea of her experience others might call utter failure.
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Don't forget Hillary Clinton's "miles traveled" accomplishment.
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History of Mankind is witness to the Universal Truth that people all over the World have only been Inspired by Passionate calls to fight for a New Dawn. Just as every Dawn shatters the Darkness of Night, every Leader of a Democracy must be able to paint a picture of a Starkly Different Future for his people. Secretary Clinton knows well 'Stronger Together' is no Battle Cry. Just as the 'New Deal' inspired an earlier generation, Secretary Clinton must make an Inspiring Clarion Call for this generation - a 'New Dawn' for every American, 'A New All-American Dream', 'A New Future for all Americans'....... The dreary Today must clearly be Cut Out from any role in defining Tomorrow.
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I am reallly upset at the New York Times' recent habit of writing headlines that appear designed to undermine the Clinton campaign. "Brexit Revolt Casts a Shadow Over Hillary Clinton's Cautious..."? Really? If anything, the Brexit Revolt AND HISTORY highlights the importance of change that is real, not simply a reaction with results that don't address the need for change. What is this grudge the NY Times seems to have against this important candidate in this most important election?
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Now I have heard everything. The NYT, biased against Hillary Clinton? That is rich indeed.
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I'm sure the DNC would have loved to have administered the voting of Brexit.
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Voting to invade Iraq; cheerleading to attack Libya; trying to arm Syrian rebels with heavy weaponry- exactly what about Hillary Clinton is cautious?
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Ms. Clinton needs to be much more cautious and ch less confident. So does the New York Times. The threat of Trump is both real and large. Yes, the US IS like Britain!
Illegal immigration is a big issue for many people (not me.)
Clinton needs to throw progressives a bone. Progressivism is by definition not pragmatic by definition. She has co-opted the word, but she is NOT a progressive.
She is not fighting for me.
Illegal immigration is a big issue for many people (not me.)
Clinton needs to throw progressives a bone. Progressivism is by definition not pragmatic by definition. She has co-opted the word, but she is NOT a progressive.
She is not fighting for me.
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Fear of "talking down" to voters ..... really ? For many voters today- throw logic and reason out the window. What many want is a return to the '60's when non skill jobs were plentiful, everything seemed plausible, college was affordable and so on. Too many older voters as in Britain want to go back to a past that can never re-emerge. Look at the escapism that permeates our cultures. We no longer consider working as a team to solve our issues. The worst part....the rise of the demagogue who takes advantage of our fears.
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The moment Brexit passed, I mentioned to my wife, "Now watch all the pundits and the media fall over themselves trying to find the obligatory non-existent parrallels to the presidential election. ( And, of course, the ONLY thing that matters is our election, right?)
Sure enough, here come the false comparisons. And it's a load of hogwash.
Sure enough, here come the false comparisons. And it's a load of hogwash.
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This election is a perfect demonstration that the Clinton/Romney/Bush/Ryan/Rubio political players think they have the power and influence to behave independently of the public will. Fortunately the framers of the Constitution valued the people over the politicians. Trump will win. Trump will Make America Great Again for Everyone. #MAGAFE #Trump2016
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The rich got much richer under Obama. The rest of us got poorer, abiding stagnant wages. Who believes Hillary Clinton will change that?
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The Rich got richer because Reps controlled congress.
You really think Trump, given his historic distain for the little guy will change that? He can say whatever he wants, but his recorded of willfully ruining real people can't be denied.
You really think Trump, given his historic distain for the little guy will change that? He can say whatever he wants, but his recorded of willfully ruining real people can't be denied.
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So we're now looking down the barrel of democracy's greatest weakness: populism.
Correction, for snobs: its greatest strength.
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I had to double check to make sure I wasn't on a Bernie Sanders Reddit board and actually reading a New York Times comments section. The top comment, with the endorsement of the editors? "Hillary is old and tired." Really? And Donald Trump, age 70 and Bernie Sanders, age 74 , two and six years older respectively than Ms. Clinton are paragins of youthful virtue?
This is the kind of sexist drivel the Times seeks to validate? Meanwhile, in spite of all the Bernie or bust naysaying around here, Ms. Clinton is steadily increasing her lead in the latest post Brexit poll released today.
This is the kind of sexist drivel the Times seeks to validate? Meanwhile, in spite of all the Bernie or bust naysaying around here, Ms. Clinton is steadily increasing her lead in the latest post Brexit poll released today.
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"Referring to one of Mrs. Clinton’s taglines, she said: 'Hillary’s ‘I’m with her’ — I remember thinking when I first saw it, ‘Really?’ It’s not my job to be with her. She should be with me.'”
This is the crux of the situation with Clinton right here. Her appointees to help write the DNC platform are absolutely blind to the desire for change and indignation that Sanders supporters feel. We can get no clear commitments to a $15 minimum wage. No commitment to end fracking. No language about universal healthcare. No change to our disastrous support of Israel. We are just supposed to swallow the neoliberal swill and be glad we don't get Trump.
Many progressives want strong change, not a nanny wagging her finger at us and telling us we're impetuous for demanding a better world.
This is the crux of the situation with Clinton right here. Her appointees to help write the DNC platform are absolutely blind to the desire for change and indignation that Sanders supporters feel. We can get no clear commitments to a $15 minimum wage. No commitment to end fracking. No language about universal healthcare. No change to our disastrous support of Israel. We are just supposed to swallow the neoliberal swill and be glad we don't get Trump.
Many progressives want strong change, not a nanny wagging her finger at us and telling us we're impetuous for demanding a better world.
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Unless Bernie stands next to Hillary, speaking on equal terms, all those voters who supported Bernie, will not throw their unconditional support behind Hillary. If NYT could even attempt to listen more deeply they would understand that those who support Bernie truly believe he is the real deal and Hillary is status quo.
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So how do you explain today's ABC poll showing 80% of Bernie Sanders supporters switching to Hillary?
Sadly, reality seems to be a lot different than the delusions expressed on this comments site today.
It must be tough realizing you're not going to get to Bern it all down.
Sadly, reality seems to be a lot different than the delusions expressed on this comments site today.
It must be tough realizing you're not going to get to Bern it all down.
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I will not be voting for Clinton, even if Bernie himself appeared at my doorstep and pleaded with tears in his eyes. I have had enough.
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The American people see the BREXIT is the UK declaring their freedom. Notice only the poorest of the countries and the elites of the UK voted against it.
The middle class are the ones that voted for the BREXIT. You know the ones that serve in the military, protect you, put out the fires, actually build things, feed you, do the repairs, keep the lights on, keep you cool in the summer, and warm in the winter. The ones that build, keep your cars running, heal your wounds and take care of you in the hospital. These are also the people that clean your sewage, collect your trash, keep your water clean. These are the people that build your houses, buildings, highways, get the products to your local store, wash the towels and clean your house etc... The list goes on.
The above all are the people that pay the highest of taxes, that benefit the rich and the poor while living paycheck to paycheck.
The BREXIT is being talked about more within these people more than anyone else. The ones that have a trade and actually are the backbone of the world.
The Elites hate them, and the poor as well. The reason they are despised by the Elite, is because they know they are needed to keep the world running. The poor despise them because what they do is very hard labor work, and they look down on them for doing it. In the poor's opinion no one should have to do this kind of work.
It is time to see if the rich and the poor outnumber the true workers in the United States. Trump 2016!!!
The middle class are the ones that voted for the BREXIT. You know the ones that serve in the military, protect you, put out the fires, actually build things, feed you, do the repairs, keep the lights on, keep you cool in the summer, and warm in the winter. The ones that build, keep your cars running, heal your wounds and take care of you in the hospital. These are also the people that clean your sewage, collect your trash, keep your water clean. These are the people that build your houses, buildings, highways, get the products to your local store, wash the towels and clean your house etc... The list goes on.
The above all are the people that pay the highest of taxes, that benefit the rich and the poor while living paycheck to paycheck.
The BREXIT is being talked about more within these people more than anyone else. The ones that have a trade and actually are the backbone of the world.
The Elites hate them, and the poor as well. The reason they are despised by the Elite, is because they know they are needed to keep the world running. The poor despise them because what they do is very hard labor work, and they look down on them for doing it. In the poor's opinion no one should have to do this kind of work.
It is time to see if the rich and the poor outnumber the true workers in the United States. Trump 2016!!!
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Democrats keep trying to turn this into a Blacks/Women/ Hispanics vs. Whites battle. They don't realize that it's not about identity but about where people are economically.
They think they're safe from a Brexit-type event because we have Blacks and Hispanics here, and they'd *never* vote for Trump. Well, I've met many women and Hispanics in New York who will be voting for him. Jews too. The common theme is their complete disgust with politicians. Trump seems like a much better bet. His style, while bothersome, doesn't disqualify him. Not even close.
They think they're safe from a Brexit-type event because we have Blacks and Hispanics here, and they'd *never* vote for Trump. Well, I've met many women and Hispanics in New York who will be voting for him. Jews too. The common theme is their complete disgust with politicians. Trump seems like a much better bet. His style, while bothersome, doesn't disqualify him. Not even close.
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Some of this article is like opening Pandora's Box, which contained all human emotions, good and bad. You do not know what is going to happen, and, once opened, you do not know what you can get back once it escapes. As the myth goes, Pandora was only able to get hope back in the box. Everything else escaped. So, it was a loss all around, as we did not even get hope.
Generally, Mrs. Clinton will have to follow in Mr. Obama's footsteps or risk losing a significant part of the Democrat base. If she goes after Mr. Trump and Mr. Sanders' supporters, the gamble is, will she pick up enough to offset what she loses of her Democrat base? More significant, will she be opening a Pandora's Box? Will she be painting herself into a corner as she tries to out Trump Mr. Trump and out Sanders Mr. Sanders? And what will she get back if she does?
Revolutionary change is rarely good, and it is easily exploited and even hijacked, as happened with Arab Spring. Evolutionary change us usually better, stronger, and more durable. But that is a hard argument to make when people want change.
Not all change is good. Change for the sake of change is rarely good. But the electorate wants change. What can Mrs. Clinton sell them? Mrs. Clinton has some very tough choices ahead.
Generally, Mrs. Clinton will have to follow in Mr. Obama's footsteps or risk losing a significant part of the Democrat base. If she goes after Mr. Trump and Mr. Sanders' supporters, the gamble is, will she pick up enough to offset what she loses of her Democrat base? More significant, will she be opening a Pandora's Box? Will she be painting herself into a corner as she tries to out Trump Mr. Trump and out Sanders Mr. Sanders? And what will she get back if she does?
Revolutionary change is rarely good, and it is easily exploited and even hijacked, as happened with Arab Spring. Evolutionary change us usually better, stronger, and more durable. But that is a hard argument to make when people want change.
Not all change is good. Change for the sake of change is rarely good. But the electorate wants change. What can Mrs. Clinton sell them? Mrs. Clinton has some very tough choices ahead.
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Has Bernie Sanders commented on the Brexit decision? He could do a lot of good with a message tsk-tsking the outcome of the vote and reinforcing the notion that nationalism and xenophopia are not the solution to our economic woes.
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In perusing these scathing comments about HRC, her incrementalism, her out of touchness, all the things people hate about here I notice one glaring omission. No one is talking about minorities and what radical change means for them (yes them, I am a white cisgendered woman). Those so intent on burning the whole thing down neglect to point out that they aren't going to be the ones to suffer (read Hell is Other Britons in todays Op-Ed section). Yes, there has been a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy. But electing Trump will only make that worse. And electing Sanders won't change it at all because he can not get the legislative branch to go with him. And no, "reining in Wall Street" ain't gonna help that because so much of what goes on in the transfer of wealth is far far beyond lower Manhattan. HRC is the clear choice so that EVERYONE can move forward.
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...or, no one, depending on how you look at it.
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Republicans are going to find some other candidate to run against Hillary Clinton, one way or another. She can beat Trump with half her brain tied behind her back. What about an alternative? Shouldn't she be thinking about that? She needs to get tougher and more direct, in order to forestall any extreme movements like Brexit in the US. Dump the extremist "conservatives."
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I am one of those persons who believes in a political revolution of the "Down with the establishment" sort, yet I don't think Sanders has the wherewithal to pull it off and Trump will just lead America over a cliff so I am playing it safe with Clinton who will make things a bit better, 15% better to be preferred over 50% worse with half the world hating us.
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She will make things 15% better than Pres. Obama? Only if you're a Republican.
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Okay, we need a strong wake-up call against the status-quo and that measly "incremental change." But we don't have the choice to vote for Sanders to send that message. Voting for Hillary negates that imperative message. What can we do that isn't rolling over and giving up?
Trump as president -- BUT try to pack congress with representatives like Warren and those who share her (and Sanders' ideology).
Trump as president -- BUT try to pack congress with representatives like Warren and those who share her (and Sanders' ideology).
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Trump will incremental progress look like greased lightning. You need to re-think the whole idea of "rolling over". We need to build on progress, not try to speed through the school parking lot. There's more progress than one images even with some of the so-called minor victories. Have enough of those and suddenly there's a lot of progressive moves forward. Dump Trump! Go Hillary!
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The Brexit aftermath can be used by the Clinton team as a cautionary tale.
I was in London last week and the boisterous and obnoxious Boris Johnson who appeared in the final BBC debate on Wednesday was quite different from the subdued Boris Johnson who appeared after the vote. The reality is that the Leavers did not really expect to win and they have no plan - they were just making hollow boasts about "making Britain great again. Now that they have won, they have no idea what to do. Meanwhile, the British economy and world markets are tanking. Oops. If people think the global reaction to Brexit was/is scary - just wait to see how the world would react to a Trump victory.
I was in London last week and the boisterous and obnoxious Boris Johnson who appeared in the final BBC debate on Wednesday was quite different from the subdued Boris Johnson who appeared after the vote. The reality is that the Leavers did not really expect to win and they have no plan - they were just making hollow boasts about "making Britain great again. Now that they have won, they have no idea what to do. Meanwhile, the British economy and world markets are tanking. Oops. If people think the global reaction to Brexit was/is scary - just wait to see how the world would react to a Trump victory.
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I don't know where you were for 9/11, but I was in NY. And I can tell you that I - and everyone else with whom I came in contact - woke up the morning of September 12th with no idea what to do. We figured it out. So will the Brits.
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Remember when George Bush Senior proclaimed the start of the "New World Order?" That corporate world government is what the Brexit vote rejected and it is what the Democrats are now foisting onto the American people through Hillary Clinton. The Democrats new motto: "Stronger when our appointed superdelegates stand together."
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Bottom line is Hillary is on the wrong side of the fence....Again! How can she win the hearts and minds of Americans when she don't know what's important to them? Hillary campaign stated that unregulated immigration of unvetted refugees who would not assimilate into the British culture is what forced Britain to leave the EU.
Britain was tired of their country looking like a third world country where unvetted refugees refused to assimilate. British people want their country and cultural identity back. Britain was tired of seeing an unregulated migration system that allowed unvetted refugees into their country. Now they can let who they want in their country.
The same thing is happening in the US where Obama/Hillary wants to let thousands of unvetted refugees into the country without having a mechanism in place to identify them. The CIA director recently warned that ISIS are posing as refugees to enter country. The FBI director said he wasn't satisfied with current vetting process. while Clinton and Obama are pushing for more refugees. Clinton doesn't get that she is on the wrong side of the fence. Big Dummy.
Britain was tired of their country looking like a third world country where unvetted refugees refused to assimilate. British people want their country and cultural identity back. Britain was tired of seeing an unregulated migration system that allowed unvetted refugees into their country. Now they can let who they want in their country.
The same thing is happening in the US where Obama/Hillary wants to let thousands of unvetted refugees into the country without having a mechanism in place to identify them. The CIA director recently warned that ISIS are posing as refugees to enter country. The FBI director said he wasn't satisfied with current vetting process. while Clinton and Obama are pushing for more refugees. Clinton doesn't get that she is on the wrong side of the fence. Big Dummy.
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HRC's Democratic Platform will have a far more negative impact on her Presidential campaign than Brexit.
Brexiters voted to leave because they lack employment and because they are afraid of immigrants taking their jobs--two loudly resonating notes in Trump's campaign.
In the U.S., jobs are being outsourced to countries with the lowest wages, or even slaves. Former US jobs are now done overseas. There are no laws, tariffs or incentives to encourage companies to hire Americans.
Trade agreements, like NAFTA, the TPP and TAFTA guarantee further job loss, as they state that if a country lowers their members' revenue, through human rights, salary, job protection laws or tariffs, the signator companies can sue that country for any losses.
The DNC platform and Hillary have endorsed the TPP and the cross-Atlantic version, TAFTA. HRC supports outsourcing US jobs to foreign countries, and destroying the right of the US to protect its workers from TPP and TAFTA signators.
The DNC and Hillary support worldwide fracking (she started the State Dept. program for it), and an incrementally applied $15 minimum wage NOT indexed to cost of living. It is clear that HRC stands for multinationals, and not the American people.
Brexiters and the "Stay" voters, and all of the EU, are against trade agreements. They have repeatedly rejected them, as well as fracking.
It's not the Brexit that will impact HRC's run. It's her turning a deaf ear to the American people and catering to the 1%.
Brexiters voted to leave because they lack employment and because they are afraid of immigrants taking their jobs--two loudly resonating notes in Trump's campaign.
In the U.S., jobs are being outsourced to countries with the lowest wages, or even slaves. Former US jobs are now done overseas. There are no laws, tariffs or incentives to encourage companies to hire Americans.
Trade agreements, like NAFTA, the TPP and TAFTA guarantee further job loss, as they state that if a country lowers their members' revenue, through human rights, salary, job protection laws or tariffs, the signator companies can sue that country for any losses.
The DNC platform and Hillary have endorsed the TPP and the cross-Atlantic version, TAFTA. HRC supports outsourcing US jobs to foreign countries, and destroying the right of the US to protect its workers from TPP and TAFTA signators.
The DNC and Hillary support worldwide fracking (she started the State Dept. program for it), and an incrementally applied $15 minimum wage NOT indexed to cost of living. It is clear that HRC stands for multinationals, and not the American people.
Brexiters and the "Stay" voters, and all of the EU, are against trade agreements. They have repeatedly rejected them, as well as fracking.
It's not the Brexit that will impact HRC's run. It's her turning a deaf ear to the American people and catering to the 1%.
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"The DNC and Hillary support worldwide fracking (she started the State Dept. program for it), and an incrementally applied $15 minimum wage NOT indexed to cost of living."
Has Hillary changed her tune on this? Last thing I heard she was still advocating for a $12 minimum wage...and, that only because Bernie's $15 an hour stance sort of forced her hand on the matter.
Has Hillary changed her tune on this? Last thing I heard she was still advocating for a $12 minimum wage...and, that only because Bernie's $15 an hour stance sort of forced her hand on the matter.
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She said $12 per hour (albeit, it seemed she had difficulty saying it). The DNC platform committee said $15, with no cost of living increases.
I am worried that HRC will go back to her original pro-TPP stance, and US workers will lose jobs, while the US will lose its ability to fight for workers' rights, human rights, quality control or tariffs, because they will fear laxsuits from the TPP.
She has stuck with her pro-fracking stance (heck, she started the program),
I am worried that HRC will go back to her original pro-TPP stance, and US workers will lose jobs, while the US will lose its ability to fight for workers' rights, human rights, quality control or tariffs, because they will fear laxsuits from the TPP.
She has stuck with her pro-fracking stance (heck, she started the program),
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err...correction, that's lawsuits, not laxsuits.
The haters are out in force today. America does not need further animosity and attempts to destroy democracy. BIG money masters like DT love chaos because, as he has said many times recently, the entitled inheritors like him make a lot of money over middle-class and poor people's misery. Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton has the experience and political capital to steer America through these chaotic times and WE need to pull together and help her further President Obama's path of unity and true democracy for all Americans. The bullies on the right who have had their way with America for the last 40+ years are hearing their death knoll. Let's make it complete on November 8 by electing only socially conscious democrats and independents who will help US create a more equitable America.
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njglea:
"...help her further President Obama's path of unity..."
That's really funny. Don't think the country can withstand any more of Obama's "unity".
"...help her further President Obama's path of unity..."
That's really funny. Don't think the country can withstand any more of Obama's "unity".
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The steady calm hand of Hillary at the helm of the ship of state is exactly what the United States needs now as a rebuke to the likes of demagogues like Nigel Farage and Donald Trump.
This warning shot across our bow is a precursor to what may occur should be Americans become too complacent into believing it can't happen here. It can and Trump is the prime mover of deeply disturbing division in out nation. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Dump Trump in Cleveland Republicans or we will be marching to the polls in November to do just that. Not here.
DD
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This warning shot across our bow is a precursor to what may occur should be Americans become too complacent into believing it can't happen here. It can and Trump is the prime mover of deeply disturbing division in out nation. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Dump Trump in Cleveland Republicans or we will be marching to the polls in November to do just that. Not here.
DD
Manhattan
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If we are not somewhat cautious now - and vote for real, but incremental change that includes a functioning, forward thinking, relatively unbought Congress, we won't have another chance for peaceful change. Hillary and Bernie may not be best choices to all voters, but they can carry our country forward to better, more cooperative times. There is a cliff ahead, with only a narrow bridge open to the other side.
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Electing Hillary would hand our party back to the Democratic Leadership Council just eight short years after we successfully wrestled it away. And keep in mind that that battle took a full eight years to wage. The first man into battle was taken down by the DLC-controlled media (remember the "Dean scream"?). The result was an establishment candidate that couldn't muster enough enthusiasm to defeat one of the most unqualified and unpopular presidents in American history. The same media tried to crown Hillary before the first vote was even cast in Iowa, but Democrats were a bit smarter this time around and made a change. Now that hard-fought change is about to be undone. Unless, somehow, Hillary is denied. I'd rather see that done at the convention, so that I may vote for a Democrat in the general election. Otherwise, it's either Jill Stein (the Green party nominee) or - gulp - Donald Trump.
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The premise of this article is absurd! The us is NOT the UK. The "Remains" have far more reason to fear immigration, due to the mass exodus from Assad & ISIL, than do US Nationalists as there have been far more terrorist attacks within the European Union than in the US. THE EU has far more porous borders than the US. Our refugee screening process is far more vigorous and lengthy.
The other reason for the Brexit is more about local control as the EU's direction and regulation hails from Brussels Belgium. we don't have quite the same issue. Washington DC is The US capitol. We aren't taking direction from outside the US.
There are more differences than similarities between the issues and motivations in our respective countries. Comparing Clinton to Cameron is equally illogical. What is certain though is that the UK leaving the EU will be an equally, if not a greater mistake than a Trump presidency!
It was frightening that of all the business people the author could have interviewed, they chose a bar owner to say that if "Americans were doing better, there would be more money around and traded in and out of my pockets.” Americans drinking more is going to be a good thing? And if Ruth Sherman doesn't recognize the dog whistle in Make America Great Again, why was she quoted. You can't go back home and we shouldn't want to. Lastly, the Leave candidate for PM is nowhere near as dangerous or obnoxious as Trump! This is just another NYT pick-part-Hillary-article. Not surprised
The other reason for the Brexit is more about local control as the EU's direction and regulation hails from Brussels Belgium. we don't have quite the same issue. Washington DC is The US capitol. We aren't taking direction from outside the US.
There are more differences than similarities between the issues and motivations in our respective countries. Comparing Clinton to Cameron is equally illogical. What is certain though is that the UK leaving the EU will be an equally, if not a greater mistake than a Trump presidency!
It was frightening that of all the business people the author could have interviewed, they chose a bar owner to say that if "Americans were doing better, there would be more money around and traded in and out of my pockets.” Americans drinking more is going to be a good thing? And if Ruth Sherman doesn't recognize the dog whistle in Make America Great Again, why was she quoted. You can't go back home and we shouldn't want to. Lastly, the Leave candidate for PM is nowhere near as dangerous or obnoxious as Trump! This is just another NYT pick-part-Hillary-article. Not surprised
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To me the EU may have its advantages, but it also represents Goldman Sachs, "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity," Wall Street, the austerity measures that destroyed the Greek economy, and the sellout of Iceland. The EU is far more protective of its bankers than it is of its people.
Hillary Clinton would be well advised to adopt Bernie Sanders' playbook if she wants to win. I think the great success he has had was a surprise to everyone, including him, and Clinton could adopt it on the grounds that she didn't think the United States was ready for such sweeping changes, but that Bernie has shown that it is ready. Sure, that would mean turning her back on Wall Street, but she has always claimed that their lavish support did not actually result in any of her votes or views being changed. Here is her chance to prove she owes nothing to Wall Street.
Hillary Clinton would be well advised to adopt Bernie Sanders' playbook if she wants to win. I think the great success he has had was a surprise to everyone, including him, and Clinton could adopt it on the grounds that she didn't think the United States was ready for such sweeping changes, but that Bernie has shown that it is ready. Sure, that would mean turning her back on Wall Street, but she has always claimed that their lavish support did not actually result in any of her votes or views being changed. Here is her chance to prove she owes nothing to Wall Street.
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And pigs will be swarming the skies, the day Hillary turns her back on Goldman Sachs, and Lloyd Blankfein, the self-professed doer of "Gods Work".
Hillary and the rest of the establishment will relent, only when the people flex their collective muscles, and show them the door.
Hillary and the rest of the establishment will relent, only when the people flex their collective muscles, and show them the door.
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From the perspective of looking at Brexit going in and the vote coming out, you might draw the conclusion that Secretary Clinton's cautious approach may seem out of step especially with people who seem fed up with the status quo. However, from a longer perspective ... a few weeks or months in the future ... the cautious, systematic approach will likely appear to be the better one. Because as we're starting to see it's beginning to look like the vote for the UK to leave the EU is analogous to lemmings running off a cliff. Already the pound has taken a massive beating. Scotland and Northern Ireland are more drawn to the EU than the UK and are likely to pull away. The highly inflated London real estate market is likely to crash because London will become less important as a financial center.
The people who pushed Brexit maybe cheering now, but I suggest that in a short time they'll be viewed as pariahs. They'll be painted as the people who pushed the UK into a disastrous situation using fear, frustration, xenophobia and anger as their tools to get their way.
The cooler-headed Clinton approach will soon be viewed as the way that should have been taken, not the way that was.
The people who pushed Brexit maybe cheering now, but I suggest that in a short time they'll be viewed as pariahs. They'll be painted as the people who pushed the UK into a disastrous situation using fear, frustration, xenophobia and anger as their tools to get their way.
The cooler-headed Clinton approach will soon be viewed as the way that should have been taken, not the way that was.
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Sounds to me like the democrats are talking to each other trying to reassure each other saying "it's okay, everything will be fine." Well, welcome to the revolution. Everything isn't fine for tens of millions of American citizens. The only ones who seem to get it is Mr. Trump and Senator Sanders. I personally do not like Mr. Trump, but I will vote for him because he seems (one can never really know) to be committed to enforcing the immigration laws of our land. It's at least 16 years since someone has been willing to do that.
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Neoliberalism, the underlying political philosophy of the Democratic leadership, has for decades been constructing a transnational corporate legal structure that will float above nation states. The building blocks of that structure are a series of trade agreements, which aren't really about trade but are instead about elevation of corporate rights, free from and above national laws. The grandfather of these agreements was NAFTA, signed into law by Clinton 42.
This week TransCanada, a Canadian energy company, asserted its corporate authority under NAFTA when it began proceedings against the United States for $15 billion. TransCanada says it incurred costs preparing to build a pipeline through the United States to transport crude oil from Canada's oil sands through the US to Gulf of Mexico ports for export into world markets. It may also be claiming hypothetical lost income from the project.
The United States refused to allow the pipeline. Trade disputes like this one are decided by international trade apparatchiks, not by courts of law.
Hillary Clinton's husband Bill signed NAFTA into law, and as Secretary of State Hillary was an ardent champion of transnational corporate interests. It will be interesting to hear what, if anything, she has to say about her role in making the TransCanada transnational claim possible.
This week TransCanada, a Canadian energy company, asserted its corporate authority under NAFTA when it began proceedings against the United States for $15 billion. TransCanada says it incurred costs preparing to build a pipeline through the United States to transport crude oil from Canada's oil sands through the US to Gulf of Mexico ports for export into world markets. It may also be claiming hypothetical lost income from the project.
The United States refused to allow the pipeline. Trade disputes like this one are decided by international trade apparatchiks, not by courts of law.
Hillary Clinton's husband Bill signed NAFTA into law, and as Secretary of State Hillary was an ardent champion of transnational corporate interests. It will be interesting to hear what, if anything, she has to say about her role in making the TransCanada transnational claim possible.
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The following statement depends on what demographic you are referring to... “The problem with the concept of ‘together’ is that it promotes groupthink rather than individual pursuits,” Mr. Luntz said. “We are in an age of individual action, not collective responsibility.” This applies to the baby boomers and following decade or two of individuals who have followed them. The under 35 crowed is truly more inclusive and global. The key will be to get them out to vote because they are also less inclined to vote than the "individual action, not collective responsibility" crowd.
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Too many are reading too much into Brexit, ignoring all the differences that are in play there relative to the issues here. It's like expecting the U.S. to suddenly become a large version of Denmark. Not going to happen for many obvious reasons...if you look for them.
What Sanders promotes has no fiscal possibility unless citizens want much higher taxes. What Trump promotes is contrary to what is now permanent: a global marketplace that the U.S. is deeply tied to and benefits from. Manufacturing is not coming back here...there's already excess manufacturing capacity worldwide and long supply chains in place.
Change that works has to be within the context of what is now. The past is just that. The 1950s are long gone, and that's not a bad thing.
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What Sanders promotes has no fiscal possibility unless citizens want much higher taxes. What Trump promotes is contrary to what is now permanent: a global marketplace that the U.S. is deeply tied to and benefits from. Manufacturing is not coming back here...there's already excess manufacturing capacity worldwide and long supply chains in place.
Change that works has to be within the context of what is now. The past is just that. The 1950s are long gone, and that's not a bad thing.
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It's not about "recalibrat(ing) her message to try to tap into the anger that he {Sanders) and Mr. Trump channeled." It's about changing her policies, which no matter her lip service given to progressive issues will not happen. She is at core a full supporter of the status quo, elitist in outlook, and accepting of rule and backing of the financial/corporatiist and capitalistic system as it now exists. Trump is a sidebar in that he and others like him, those of the fascists right, tap into ignorance, fear, and hate. It's those challenging the system who have their fingers on the pulse of what is needed to refashion our society, only those who call for and ultimately produce systemic change who will provide the answers.
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Trump may well win if his voters outnumber Hillary's in the general election and electoral college. Unthinkable as it may seem, it certainly is possible as we witness the repudiation of traditional politicians and parties across the globe: Thailand, Spain, the UK which have either been paralyzed or up-heaved and the rest of the EU's richer nations, France and the Netherlands, which have seen right-wing groups rise to prominence. The US is well poised to be next. The pathetic spectacle of the GOP primaries and the so-completely-out-of-touch GOP in Congress evidence the same disconnect we've seen in the UK... politicians are simply out of touch with the anger, the frustration and the fear gripping a population beaten down by economic stagnation and 15 years of wars far from home which we seem unable to win. Yep, the Donald may well sit in the White House come January and, like the over 2M Britons whom the NYT has found wish they could recast their Brexit vote to teh Remain camp, it will be too late!
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Our representative democracy is by definition a system designed to create a class of elites to run our government. Abusers go to DC and state capitols and make a career out of it. People who don't pay attention see this election as a chance to break up the cartel, if even only temporarily. The Tea Party was the (recent) beginning, the Brexit vote was the most visible manifestation of that movement, and if Trump wins in Nov, that will signal a seismic shift in how people view their opportunity and responsibility to deliver their voice on how our country is governed.
Trump is a mess but I think too many voters are simply fed up with career politicians who abuse the system for personal gain. Clinton should be worried.
Trump is a mess but I think too many voters are simply fed up with career politicians who abuse the system for personal gain. Clinton should be worried.
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What a contrast in character and content; a cool and thoughtful Clinton, versus an irresponsible know-nothing demagogue bullying his way by fanning fear and anger and resentment on misinformed and prejudiced folks, left behind an incontrovertible globalized economy. It behooves all of us to use our emotions so we can propel reason and logic as our guide, to go back to school if necessary, to regain competitiveness and stability; the only thing we can't stop is change, always moving, and enticing us to raise to the occasion. Clinton offers that chance. Trump, only chaos and division, a charlatan and a failed businessman trying to sell us 'snake oil' for the asking.
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So the time has come that a NYT reporter says Hillary Clinton should also run a campaign that includes playing to the angry and xenophobic crowd in this country?
When her likely opponent, the one that addresses himself in the third person, was asked at the beginning of June about his opinion of the upcoming Brexit referendum, he had no clue what that word meant. Now he loves it, proclaiming on Scottish soil, the part of the UK that overwhelmingly voted Stay, and was delighted that the pound dropping like a stone, thus bringing more golfers to Turnberry and his new course in Aberdeen.
We have two presumptive candidates. One is pragmatic, highly intelligent and from the center left. She is able to explain to the country which policies - both domestic and foreign - are doable soon, which would take longer, and which have no chance at should not all three branches of government be dominated by Democrats.
On the other hand we have one who is using the fascist playbook of whipping up anger and fear in the minds of the lower educated mainly white electorate against the "Others" supposedly out to destroy the country, and speaks ad infinitum in faulty grammatically mangled word salads.
There should be no question for those with half a functioning brain who would destroy the US as we know it, and that is clearly not the latter.
When her likely opponent, the one that addresses himself in the third person, was asked at the beginning of June about his opinion of the upcoming Brexit referendum, he had no clue what that word meant. Now he loves it, proclaiming on Scottish soil, the part of the UK that overwhelmingly voted Stay, and was delighted that the pound dropping like a stone, thus bringing more golfers to Turnberry and his new course in Aberdeen.
We have two presumptive candidates. One is pragmatic, highly intelligent and from the center left. She is able to explain to the country which policies - both domestic and foreign - are doable soon, which would take longer, and which have no chance at should not all three branches of government be dominated by Democrats.
On the other hand we have one who is using the fascist playbook of whipping up anger and fear in the minds of the lower educated mainly white electorate against the "Others" supposedly out to destroy the country, and speaks ad infinitum in faulty grammatically mangled word salads.
There should be no question for those with half a functioning brain who would destroy the US as we know it, and that is clearly not the latter.
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Oops: And that is clearly the latter.
Sarah,
Nicely worded.
Quibble. Which one is the establishment wonk that got us into this state we are in? Whom is the one with a background of coups and insurrections. Who is the one that Big Corp., Big Bank, Big Ag, Big Insur, Big Pharm, Big Oil, etc. etc. is funding?! Who has a proven history of gov. evasion backtracking positons.
Granted. Trump to me too is a non-starter. Unless one is looking to flip the table to end the game and start over. Which is understandable. It's just too bad that we are running a 1% oligarchy plutocrat at a time the establishment is being asked systematically change, and ours is singing stay the course.
A good candidate for the system we have. A poor candidate for the system we need.
Nicely worded.
Quibble. Which one is the establishment wonk that got us into this state we are in? Whom is the one with a background of coups and insurrections. Who is the one that Big Corp., Big Bank, Big Ag, Big Insur, Big Pharm, Big Oil, etc. etc. is funding?! Who has a proven history of gov. evasion backtracking positons.
Granted. Trump to me too is a non-starter. Unless one is looking to flip the table to end the game and start over. Which is understandable. It's just too bad that we are running a 1% oligarchy plutocrat at a time the establishment is being asked systematically change, and ours is singing stay the course.
A good candidate for the system we have. A poor candidate for the system we need.
Voters don't want stability. Ms. Clinton needs to start espousing a message of change, not a continuation of the status quo. A few things I can think of off the top of my head: an anti-Citizens United constitutional amendment, raise taxes on the wealthy, truly universal healthcare, a constitutional amendment redefining the methodology of elections, a radical solution to address gun violence, high speed rail and development of urban corridors, admitting Puerto Rico to the Union or letting them go, investing in an expansion of state university systems, an investment and reinvention of grade school and high school education... I think that's a good starter list for beginners.
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Mr. Healy's strongly pro-Clinton piece has backfired. Most of the comments, excluding pseudo-intellectuals like Clyde, honestly admit the depth of the anger of the voters. Clyde, this isn't about the devaluing of education; although I do agree that liberal policies that decry the discussion of "hurtful" topics on college campuses has played a significant role in the shaping of our society. Rather, this is about the cumulative failure of both major political parties in the United States adequately to serve the people. Both sides have demonstrated their devotion to maintaining the status quo and have been only too willing to throw the voters under the bus.
True, both candidates have flaws. Trump is bombastic, shoots from the hip and is characterized as a buffoon. Clinton has been documented by the State Department Inspector General as a liar. As documented by Mr. Healy, she has supported policies that have harmed Americans.
Clyde's evocation of Mme. Defarge is apt, but not in the way he intended. Defarge failed to accept the reality of a change in circumstances and that is what made her the villain. The parallel to Clinton is eerie.
True, both candidates have flaws. Trump is bombastic, shoots from the hip and is characterized as a buffoon. Clinton has been documented by the State Department Inspector General as a liar. As documented by Mr. Healy, she has supported policies that have harmed Americans.
Clyde's evocation of Mme. Defarge is apt, but not in the way he intended. Defarge failed to accept the reality of a change in circumstances and that is what made her the villain. The parallel to Clinton is eerie.
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I keep waiting and hoping for Hillary to win me over. Yet, her response to the Brexit was classic Hillary, canned caution. Don't take any strong stand. Don't offend anyone. Leave lots of room to maneuver in case the wind blow in a different direction. Why wouldn't she use this opportunity to acknowledge the anger and growing frustration of the ever-shrinking middle class and growing lower classes (even if these frustrations are in part irrational). What she needs to do is address some of the fundamental causes of those frustrations by boldly supporting bread and butter issues such as: the $15 an hour minimum pay rate, making collage tuition truly affordable, take decisive action to rein in the banks/wall street, widespread and meaningful re-education/training programs to help people displaced by globalization and free trade agreements. Everyone knows that there will be displacement winners and losers, and yet all we get is vague promises to have some kind of tepid incrementalist proposals. If Hillary or her supporters don't get a handle on these issues the likelihood of a Trump president grows daily. You only have to listen to post-Brexit interviews - of people favoring the exit - to get a sense that rational arguments, such as touting ones experience combined with an incrementalist approach is not going to win. Unfortunately, Hillary seems tone deaf to these kinds of suggestions that might galvanize the base and strike a cord with swing voters.
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Yes, yes and yes! Hillary is part of the elite establishment and doesn't get 'it'. She's in a box if she tries to pander to voter anger she'll look even more unauthentic. The gulf between media and establishment politicians and regular folks is big.
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"What she needs to do is address some of the fundamental causes of those frustrations by boldly supporting bread and butter issues such as: the $15 an hour minimum pay rate, making collage tuition truly affordable, take decisive action to rein in the banks/wall street, widespread and meaningful re-education/training programs to help people displaced by globalization and free trade agreements."
She's not going to do that because...that's not her. She's not a bold problem-solver. She's a wishy-washy, blow-with-the-wind, uber-politician. We know that. And if she tried to be anything different, we'd see through it like Wonder Woman's invisible jet on a clear day.
She's not going to do that because...that's not her. She's not a bold problem-solver. She's a wishy-washy, blow-with-the-wind, uber-politician. We know that. And if she tried to be anything different, we'd see through it like Wonder Woman's invisible jet on a clear day.
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I agree with you. What to do? Just wondering if any sense of realism will kick in.
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To be clear, despite the comments here, Trump would be a disaster and absolutely would not "fix" the economic issues in the U.S. Not only is governance nothing like running a business, he has a history of questionable business acumen and ethical business practices. Clinton is far more capable in terms of realistic governance and obtainable changes. Sanders is not going to be president, so get over your faulty analysis and assumptions and make sure Trump does not bring his narcissist incompetence and temperament to the presidency.
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Right on, Eduardo...people need to give up on their principles and ideals and just elect the lesser of two evils!
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First, Hillary Clinton is no "progressive who gets results." One moment of the 2016 Democratic Primary that stands out for me is hearing Bill Clinton say on a news clip while campaigning against Bernie Sanders "we needed a united progressive front" to keep Trump out of the White House. The Clintons have done nothing but undermined the American progressive cause their entire careers. Just search the "Democratic Leadership Council." Now the Clintons and their corporate class supporters risk a "President Trump" by not directly addressing the issue the vast majority of Americans see when they go out to shop or work - a huge number of recent migrants.
In order to keep Trump out of the White House, I suggest Hillary Clinton directly address to immigration issue with the following: Propose sweeping changes to America's immigration law by to imposing a "merit based test" that allows an applicant to enter the United States only if (i) they will contribute to our nation's economy, (ii) will not take a job away from an American, and (iii) demonstrate their personal practices and lifestyle embrace our nation's core values and principles--tolerance and respect for individual civil liberties including free speech and gender equality. That change better protects our open society and help ensure our economy serves the interests of all Americans - not just the interests of employers looking to maximize profits through a flood of cheap labor.
In order to keep Trump out of the White House, I suggest Hillary Clinton directly address to immigration issue with the following: Propose sweeping changes to America's immigration law by to imposing a "merit based test" that allows an applicant to enter the United States only if (i) they will contribute to our nation's economy, (ii) will not take a job away from an American, and (iii) demonstrate their personal practices and lifestyle embrace our nation's core values and principles--tolerance and respect for individual civil liberties including free speech and gender equality. That change better protects our open society and help ensure our economy serves the interests of all Americans - not just the interests of employers looking to maximize profits through a flood of cheap labor.
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Please be more precise when referring to Brexit. Britain did not vote for Brexit, England did. Scotland, on the other hand, delivered a landslide victory for remaining in the EU. It is also not really accurate to refer to 'voter anger' when the Leave campaign was based firmly and cynically around inciting racist, anti-immigrant hysteria. The case for remaining in the EU was led, notionally, by David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn. Cameron's effort was diminished because of his insincerity about the value of the EU. The reason for this is that his real constituency, the old Etonians, will continue to thrive whether Britain is in the EU or not. And he has no real interest in the fate of anyone outside of his own social network. As for Corbyn, while it was abundantly clear that he didn't really support the case for remaining at all, no one is quite sure what the reason for it is. It seems to have been something to with some issues that were left unresolved in 1975. The only place where the case for remaining in the EU was put forward with any conviction was in Scotland.
As a result, the break-up of the UK is all but inevitable. The decline of the EU is much less certain.
As a result, the break-up of the UK is all but inevitable. The decline of the EU is much less certain.
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"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
This statement is the cornerstone of populism.
It was also the catch phrase of a feature entitled "Network" which was made 40 years ago. There is exactly nothing new about human frustration, anger, and angst.
The only thing new was that a Head of State recently made the miscalculation of offering his citizens a countrywide opportunity to express its frustration, anger, and angst. Boy, bet he regrets that one.
Here, in the Land of the Mortgaged and Home of the Misinformed, we have much the same situation. We are faced with the situation where working class people, people left in the margins, people who have been ignored and overlooked, have become so desperate that they have staked their hopes on a platinum spoon fed plutocrat/celebrity to solve their problems.
Just as in the UK, where the electorate were few a diet of misinformation and lies by the UK Independence Party - essentially a racist movement hiding its agenda through calculated misinformation - US voters are being fed a diet of lies deceptions and misinformation by Trump, simple feel good mixed with permission to rage.
The problem is that the sorts of injustices which drive people to rage are not solved by simple solutions or quick fixes. If people want change, they need to make a determined, educated, and continuing effort to see that those institutions serve them, instead of serve them up.
This statement is the cornerstone of populism.
It was also the catch phrase of a feature entitled "Network" which was made 40 years ago. There is exactly nothing new about human frustration, anger, and angst.
The only thing new was that a Head of State recently made the miscalculation of offering his citizens a countrywide opportunity to express its frustration, anger, and angst. Boy, bet he regrets that one.
Here, in the Land of the Mortgaged and Home of the Misinformed, we have much the same situation. We are faced with the situation where working class people, people left in the margins, people who have been ignored and overlooked, have become so desperate that they have staked their hopes on a platinum spoon fed plutocrat/celebrity to solve their problems.
Just as in the UK, where the electorate were few a diet of misinformation and lies by the UK Independence Party - essentially a racist movement hiding its agenda through calculated misinformation - US voters are being fed a diet of lies deceptions and misinformation by Trump, simple feel good mixed with permission to rage.
The problem is that the sorts of injustices which drive people to rage are not solved by simple solutions or quick fixes. If people want change, they need to make a determined, educated, and continuing effort to see that those institutions serve them, instead of serve them up.
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It seems obvious to me that Brexit is the cautionary tale, one that shows us how populist, white male anger can hurt our country the way it is hurting Great Britain. Soon there may be no Great Britain since Ireland and Scotland want to stay in the EU. For those who bother with history, we settled a similar matter in 1864. No states will be leaving the Union.
Yet here we have another American newspaper saying Hillary is not a good candidate. Editorial bias in favor of male candidates affects this perception every step of the way. Instead of highlighting the ways this British catastrophe will negatively impact the general population of Great Britain, we naval gaze and fret over Hillary. She is experienced. These hit pieces never seem to highlight her many advantages. She is sensible and, yes, cautious. This means fewer mistakes. This newspaper would have you think experience is negative though this was never the case with any male candidate I can recall.
To me, Brexit is a warning of what can happen when we vote in anger instead of voting for someone/something that can lead to a brighter, more inclusive future. That so many view it as an opportunity to put women in general and Hillary in particular in their places is depressing. If we get a president Trump, this paper will bear considerable responsibility for the outcome through promoting opinions such as this. All the Monday morning quarterbacks say Hillary is a bad candidate. Gee, wonder what's different about her?
Yet here we have another American newspaper saying Hillary is not a good candidate. Editorial bias in favor of male candidates affects this perception every step of the way. Instead of highlighting the ways this British catastrophe will negatively impact the general population of Great Britain, we naval gaze and fret over Hillary. She is experienced. These hit pieces never seem to highlight her many advantages. She is sensible and, yes, cautious. This means fewer mistakes. This newspaper would have you think experience is negative though this was never the case with any male candidate I can recall.
To me, Brexit is a warning of what can happen when we vote in anger instead of voting for someone/something that can lead to a brighter, more inclusive future. That so many view it as an opportunity to put women in general and Hillary in particular in their places is depressing. If we get a president Trump, this paper will bear considerable responsibility for the outcome through promoting opinions such as this. All the Monday morning quarterbacks say Hillary is a bad candidate. Gee, wonder what's different about her?
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I'm sorry, but blaming everything on the evil "white man" is just old and tiresome. Not to mention, incredibly racist and sexist. White men, along with every other race and gender in our country, have an equal say in American politics. YOU can leave your bigoted, racist opinions at the door, thank you.
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"If we get a president Trump, this paper will bear considerable responsibility for the outcome through promoting opinions such as this.
Yes, Liberals must block any opposing opinions lest the thinking man agree with them
Yes, Liberals must block any opposing opinions lest the thinking man agree with them
There was nothing 'sensible' or 'cautious' about Hillary's promotion of the military intervention in Libya to Obama: "We came, we saw, he died"she chortled - resulting in the Libyan failed state which is now ungoverned and a hotbed of support for ISIS. People need to stop falsely presenting Hillary as a brilliant, knowledgeable, seasoned candidate who's a bit dull but who as president won't make any stupid or tragic mistakes. The Libyan intervention was both stupid - a unforced error - and tragic in that it resulted in more fleeing refugees, more death and more support for jihadis in that region of the world. She also supported the stupid war in Iraq. Hillary is a bad candidate. But I concede she's much better than Trump because she's not insane....
“I don’t think the average American who has a retirement account right now is thrilled about Donald Trump’s support of Brexit,” said Thomas R. Nides, who was a deputy secretary of state under Mrs. Clinton."
Since Friday the world stock markets have lost $3 trillion. Who knows what will happen come Monday morning in Asia then 12 hours later in New York? Already Trump, while in Scotland, has said that a devalued British pound means more money for him. That's not a nice thing to say while visiting someone's country. It's really all about Trump and not about the people he claims he represents. If Trump wins we can expect to see more trillions of dollars lost on November 9. That's because Trump comes across as unfriendly to business while being a businessman himself who has his own products made in China and Mexico.
Since Friday the world stock markets have lost $3 trillion. Who knows what will happen come Monday morning in Asia then 12 hours later in New York? Already Trump, while in Scotland, has said that a devalued British pound means more money for him. That's not a nice thing to say while visiting someone's country. It's really all about Trump and not about the people he claims he represents. If Trump wins we can expect to see more trillions of dollars lost on November 9. That's because Trump comes across as unfriendly to business while being a businessman himself who has his own products made in China and Mexico.
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So, let me get this straight: "Democrats cautioned against drawing too much lessons from the Brexit vote....They also said many British voters were revolting against a bureaucracy in Brussels that they regarded as bloated, overpaid and prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign countries." Replace 'sovereign countries' with 'US citizens' and you describe the exact condition Washington has become and the very thing that populists here are angry about as well!
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That is pretty straight. This is a wake up call for Americans to take back their individual freedom from Federal Departments and Agencies which are run by unelected bureaucrats who make laws to regulate every aspect of our lives.
Bring those decisions back to the states and to our local governments and to the individuals. Decisions should be made by our elected representatives who we can petition and remove if they serve any interest other than our own.
Bring those decisions back to the states and to our local governments and to the individuals. Decisions should be made by our elected representatives who we can petition and remove if they serve any interest other than our own.
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Bring what back to the states? Segregation,prejudice,denying the vote,inaction to a degraded environment,etc. Taking pride in racist symbols.
Brexit Tea Party which have brought our government to a halt. wish all the populists were gone,so our government could work again.
The Donald's bluster works very well in the run-up to the general election. People get fired up about exercizing their right to vote. The enthusiastic embrace that many candidates feel in Iowa and New Hampshire are felt by the party faithful. What works for your party's enthusiasms early may not see the same kind of excitement when the official General Elections day arrives. Sometimes the day after can become one of looking back in regret. The over 2 million signatures on a "do over" the day after the "Leave" vote won the day has many people wondering how easily they got caught up in the "hype" over how Rosy life would be if the UK hadn't voted for the most complicated possible way to try and bury their collective heads in the sand.
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I'm quite confident I could have amassed far more than 2 million votes the day after Obama was elected...many of them Democrats. Does that reflect the regrets of those who voted for him and felt regrets the next day, or is it the same voters who despised him yesterday and want to get another shot at beating him?
Pointing to a collection of signatures from the same people who voted "Stay" one day before is an exercise in sophistry, not a proof of any regret. Is there any doubt, whatever side lost the second referendum would be standing on the steps of Parliament on day three with the required number of signatures for another referendum.
Voting over and over until a pre-determined result is obtained is on its face invalid and a waste of time. It is as silly as awarding a participation trophy to little Johnny and Little Suzie, when we all know who won and who lost.
Pointing to a collection of signatures from the same people who voted "Stay" one day before is an exercise in sophistry, not a proof of any regret. Is there any doubt, whatever side lost the second referendum would be standing on the steps of Parliament on day three with the required number of signatures for another referendum.
Voting over and over until a pre-determined result is obtained is on its face invalid and a waste of time. It is as silly as awarding a participation trophy to little Johnny and Little Suzie, when we all know who won and who lost.
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• Mrs. Clinton shares more with the defeated “Remain” campaign than just their common slogan, “Stronger Together.” Her fundamental argument, much akin to Prime Minister David Cameron’s against British withdrawal from the European Union, is that Americans should value stability and incremental change over the risks entailed in radical change and the possibility of chaos if Donald J. Trump wins the presidency.
So...? Either way, the USA is going nowhere.
So...? Either way, the USA is going nowhere.
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The writing is on the wall but I don't see the corporate leaders and politicians accepting higher minimum wage, reduced CEO compensation, more progressive taxation, greater labor protections.
I think the elite still feel that they can scare the people with prophesies of doom so that policies can continue as before with just a little tweak here and there.
The Republican leaders still do not acknowledge that their base lost trust in them because they repeatedly said one thing and did another leading to the rise of Trump.
I hope that Democratic leaders don't make the same mistake. That is why it is important for Sanders to continue his campaign. DNC should wake up before it is too late.
I think the elite still feel that they can scare the people with prophesies of doom so that policies can continue as before with just a little tweak here and there.
The Republican leaders still do not acknowledge that their base lost trust in them because they repeatedly said one thing and did another leading to the rise of Trump.
I hope that Democratic leaders don't make the same mistake. That is why it is important for Sanders to continue his campaign. DNC should wake up before it is too late.
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I'm confused as to what "same mistake" you don't want Democratic leaders to make. Is it the mistake made by the "Republican leaders" and you believe the Democrats have not done that, yet?
If they have not made the "same mistake", when are they going to make it...in your predictive scenario and what does Bernie Sanders have to do with something that has not happened, yet?
Are you saying Bernie should be the nominee? What are you saying?
If they have not made the "same mistake", when are they going to make it...in your predictive scenario and what does Bernie Sanders have to do with something that has not happened, yet?
Are you saying Bernie should be the nominee? What are you saying?
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Brexit also casts on Trump, who in his usual show of ignorance, ignored the 2 trillion drop in economic value to promote his golf course, ignoring the 3100 drop in 401k loss to U.S. workers
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I will vote for Clinton, but I agree the I'm with her slogan is a turn off. It should be she's with you. This is NOT the moment for ask not what your country can do for you. It IS the moment for candidates to adrress what our country will do for the average person. If I were a Martian and had only campaign speeches to go on, I would vote for Trump in a heartbeat. He says, in words of one syllable, I will work for you. Clinton says, I am the first female candidate. Who cares? The house is burning down. Who cares that she is the first female candidate? Thatcher and Merkel already did that. Instead, Clinton can and should quite easily say words of one syllable: no more H1-b visas, period. I will support unionization, period. I will support higher wages, period. I will lift the middle class, period. I will expand social security, period. Under me, you will prosper.
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One element of the BREXIT vote is the intensive use of propaganda or "political technology" as it is defined in Russia. In the West media tools were developed largely to influence buying decisions affecting economic choice. In the Soviet Union these tools were developed to control political behavior. Political technology has been intensely applied across the EU to influence nationalist groups to oppose the European Union. Political technology exploits emotions to achieve votes by people counter to their interests. Political technology becomes particularly insidious, and counter to the very idea of democracy when there is no limit placed on the resources available to influence political choice. This is why the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision is so dangerous.
What was employed in BREXIT was political technology, where a Neil Farage misleading claims that the 340 millions sent by Britain weekly would instead fund healthcare. He has admitted that was a lie. The whole campaign was built on lies. Now, in America we will be facing more political technology where truth does not matter. Political institutions have not been designed for such abuse. If unlimited use political technology is permitted, then citizens need to be armed with counter technology. Democratic institutions are under attack not just Hillary Clinton's cautious approach.
What was employed in BREXIT was political technology, where a Neil Farage misleading claims that the 340 millions sent by Britain weekly would instead fund healthcare. He has admitted that was a lie. The whole campaign was built on lies. Now, in America we will be facing more political technology where truth does not matter. Political institutions have not been designed for such abuse. If unlimited use political technology is permitted, then citizens need to be armed with counter technology. Democratic institutions are under attack not just Hillary Clinton's cautious approach.
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Hillary is arrogant, beholding to Wall Street and corporations, and her policies will screw over the average person. With Bernie out of the way, she assumes that she is going to get almost all of his supporters, so she will pick a centralist like Kaine and be herself--a fiscal Republican--and she will express these views. She assumes that those who don't like her or want her have no choice but to vote for her because the scare tactics she, the Democratic Party, and the media will use will frighten them into voting for her even though she is even less liberal than Obama and will make things even worse for most workers and the poor.
Most of those who wanted to vote for who was best for them in 2000 (Nader) voted for Gore because of the fear tactics used to herd them to Gore. And we ended up with Bush anyway. Maybe this time, a much larger group of liberal voters who are faced with two bad choices that will both hurt the working and middle classes will go third party or stay home or even vote for Trump as a protest vote against the Democratic Party for handing us a crook and a liar as a candidate (Trump also fits that description). Voters are that angry, just as the Brexit voters were, so the Democratic Party--by continuing its march to the right--may lose this election as well as a lot more members, as it has been continually losing members since becoming even more a tool of corporate interests. Hillary ignores the anger of the people, just as Cameron did, at her own peril.
Most of those who wanted to vote for who was best for them in 2000 (Nader) voted for Gore because of the fear tactics used to herd them to Gore. And we ended up with Bush anyway. Maybe this time, a much larger group of liberal voters who are faced with two bad choices that will both hurt the working and middle classes will go third party or stay home or even vote for Trump as a protest vote against the Democratic Party for handing us a crook and a liar as a candidate (Trump also fits that description). Voters are that angry, just as the Brexit voters were, so the Democratic Party--by continuing its march to the right--may lose this election as well as a lot more members, as it has been continually losing members since becoming even more a tool of corporate interests. Hillary ignores the anger of the people, just as Cameron did, at her own peril.
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This article would be better placed in the Opinion section. Seems to lack a nuanced understanding of the differences between two separate situations, cultures, etc., all for the sake of linking two recent news topics. Things ought to be made simple, but no simpler.
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"she understands the extent of voter anger"
I had to laugh when I read this line. Speaking as a life-long (since 1970) Democrat, who supports Sanders, I can assure you that there is not one single person in or anywhere near the Clinton campaign who has even the tiniest clue as to the extent of voter anger. LEAST of all Hillary herself. These people and their supporters have locked themselves into a bubble even thicker and more impenetrable than the one occupied by Romney and Rove in 2012.
I had to laugh when I read this line. Speaking as a life-long (since 1970) Democrat, who supports Sanders, I can assure you that there is not one single person in or anywhere near the Clinton campaign who has even the tiniest clue as to the extent of voter anger. LEAST of all Hillary herself. These people and their supporters have locked themselves into a bubble even thicker and more impenetrable than the one occupied by Romney and Rove in 2012.
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The Times, the unofficial Hillary perception management department, will do and say whatever it takes to focus the electorate on any and every issue, in their singular goal of getting Hillary, and Slick Willie, back into our White House, so rule by the Plutocracy may continue.
As for the people, the long suffering proletariat, they can eat cake.
As for the people, the long suffering proletariat, they can eat cake.
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The aftermath of the Brexit vote will be to Hillary's favor. Already those who voted to leave the EU are expressing buyer's remorse and that analogy can be applied to the possibility of a Trump victory very easily and appropriately. It's very possible Britain reverses course and stays in the EU. If they do, the reversal would be a more powerful example of why frustrated Trump voters shouldn't let their emotions decide their vote than if Brexit had simply lost in the first place.
As far as Hillary coming off as too pedantic when challenging Trump's inconsistencies , if she phrased it as questions coming from a voter, it would serve both ther purpose of debunking Trump's fabrications and make her sound like one of the people instead of a lecturer. For example; "Mr Trump, you say your business practices make thousands of jobs, but if we're gonna vote for you, I want see proof. And I don't see any proof, I fact what I see are layoffs, bankruptcies, endless lawsuits, and your neighbors and local municipalities stuck with the bill of a failed investment in your promises while you take thier money. Can you explain this?" Of course, he won't be able to.
As far as Hillary coming off as too pedantic when challenging Trump's inconsistencies , if she phrased it as questions coming from a voter, it would serve both ther purpose of debunking Trump's fabrications and make her sound like one of the people instead of a lecturer. For example; "Mr Trump, you say your business practices make thousands of jobs, but if we're gonna vote for you, I want see proof. And I don't see any proof, I fact what I see are layoffs, bankruptcies, endless lawsuits, and your neighbors and local municipalities stuck with the bill of a failed investment in your promises while you take thier money. Can you explain this?" Of course, he won't be able to.
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The ice Clinton walks on just got thinner, and cracked, in several places, and fall in she will, unless she comes out and boldly renounces incrementalism and business as usual.
The status quo, the establishment, was delivered a swift and debilitating kick, in England with the Brexit vote, the people took control and delivered that kick, and unless Clinton and her corporate controllers see reality, and head off the same here in America, she will go down in history as the candidate who allowed the avarice of her incrementalist agenda to sink her.
What will it take for the elites to realize the people are awake, enraged, and dying to deliver several harder kicks.
The status quo, the establishment, was delivered a swift and debilitating kick, in England with the Brexit vote, the people took control and delivered that kick, and unless Clinton and her corporate controllers see reality, and head off the same here in America, she will go down in history as the candidate who allowed the avarice of her incrementalist agenda to sink her.
What will it take for the elites to realize the people are awake, enraged, and dying to deliver several harder kicks.
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"Americans should value stability and incremental change..."
Except we don't want more of the inept, corrupt government that we have been served up by both of the corrupt parties.
Trying to claim one of Hillary's flaws is that she is too intellectual is a stretch, but regardless, her intellectualism can not overcome the fact that she is completely and hopelessly corrupt.
Except we don't want more of the inept, corrupt government that we have been served up by both of the corrupt parties.
Trying to claim one of Hillary's flaws is that she is too intellectual is a stretch, but regardless, her intellectualism can not overcome the fact that she is completely and hopelessly corrupt.
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Many apologies: I mixed together two things. The lawsuit is against DNC for unfairness in favoring HRC in their dealing with candidates etc.
Please see
http://usuncut.com/resistance/bernie-sanders-supporters-are-suing-dnc/
The financial issue was the subject of a letter from the Sanders campaign about the DNC improperly channeling funds away from state Democratic parties where they were supposed to go and giving it to the Clinton campaign evading contribution limits.
See MSNBC's biased article at:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-camp...
Please see
http://usuncut.com/resistance/bernie-sanders-supporters-are-suing-dnc/
The financial issue was the subject of a letter from the Sanders campaign about the DNC improperly channeling funds away from state Democratic parties where they were supposed to go and giving it to the Clinton campaign evading contribution limits.
See MSNBC's biased article at:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-camp...
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Clinton does not have a clue as to how the average person feels about things. Indeed how could she? Difficult to do being ensconced with her elitist friends and financial supporters.
Her most dangerous fault, however, may be her penchant for aggressive foreign policy, chaotic regime change and, lest we forget, confrontation with Russia. It is one thing to overthrow a third world tyrant, or a democratic regime in Honduras, but quite another to see who blinks first in a showdown with a power which really does have weapons of mass destruction as well as a delivery system.
Her most dangerous fault, however, may be her penchant for aggressive foreign policy, chaotic regime change and, lest we forget, confrontation with Russia. It is one thing to overthrow a third world tyrant, or a democratic regime in Honduras, but quite another to see who blinks first in a showdown with a power which really does have weapons of mass destruction as well as a delivery system.
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Her background is not "elitist". Trump's is. He's been among the wealthy and privileged since the day he was born. Do you really think he has a clue about what the average person thinks? And do you really think that a man who backs off whenever the polls go down would stand up to countries like Russia? You know the one whose leader he admires so much? If there's one thing we know about Hillary Clinton, it's that she'll stand up to anyone.
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If Trump does win this election, I certainly hope the Times will reflect on what role it played in making that happen. Statements like this: "Her fundamental argument...is that Americans should value stability and incremental change over the risks entailed in radical change and the possibility of chaos if Donald J. Trump wins the presidency"--are patently wrong and should never make it through any kind of editorial review. Hillary is not, fundamentally, about incrementalism and stability--she is about liberal ideals of equality and prosperity for all. Don't act like Trump is the "change" candidate and Hillary is the "more of the same" candidate--they are radically opposed in their aims, not simply their methods. And start actually covering the Clinton campaign--it would be nice if, say, for every ten articles you write about Trump doing nothing, you maybe said something about Clinton's substantive policy proposals.
You're turning into part of the problem, Times--not part of the solution.
You're turning into part of the problem, Times--not part of the solution.
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If the Donald Trump wins the election, it will be in no small part because the Democratic Party are giving the independent voters who will decide the election such a deeply flawed alternative. Hillary Clinton is trailing so much baggage, from her non existent ethical standards to the Libyan disaster, I can hear the clanking all the way across the border. In my lifetime, I have never seen Americans forced to choose between two worse candidates. The Democratic Party slogan this election boils down to "I'm for her ... she's not as bad as him." Hillary Clinton is likely the only candidate that can get Donald Trump elected. I hope not, but the machine that did all it could to give her the nomination will have a lot to account for if its risky bet doesn't work out.
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Um, no. She is about incrementalism and the status quo. The Times has that right.
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Now you know how Republicans have felt in these pages for the past severa decades.
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As a Sanders supporter I wasn't angry. I was actually a hopeful voter. Now I'm angry. Clinton can't change that. Because she's responsible.
And the unpopularity contest continues.
And the unpopularity contest continues.
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If I read this article correctly, demagoguery beats moderation. HRC, by this analysis, is doomed. If she adopts Trump's histrionic tone, she'll be accused of being, well, a shrill, typically emotional woman. If she sticks to her script and does offers policy ideas, Trump will get away with saying nothing coherent about anything, which has worked for him quite well so far.
In other words, Hillary will lose to a bloviating, reckless, completely unqualified candidate whose election WILL have dire economic consequences, on style points alone. May as well wrap this thing up and prepare for Trump as President.
In other words, Hillary will lose to a bloviating, reckless, completely unqualified candidate whose election WILL have dire economic consequences, on style points alone. May as well wrap this thing up and prepare for Trump as President.
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At least the Brexit confirms why anyone would want to put their faith and belief system into the political and economic codswallow produced by the some of the most useless people in the world who invariably seem to be proven wrong.
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I think the short term results will help her. I expect things will be pretty rough for awhile. Even people who want a revolution do not want to see their 401k go down. The reality is when the 1% hurt we all hurt.
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The handwriting has been on the wall for HRC. The entire world is watching Brexit to unfold. Brexit negatively affected the U.S stock market and world market. To simply think that Hillary will glide through this because she will be the first female president need to remember 1994 and NAFTA. Yes, Hillary could very easily lose. We will have to see how this infolds.....
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Legion Of Me Colorado 17 minutes ago
"The handwriting has been on the wall for HRC. The entire world is watching Brexit to unfold. Brexit negatively affected the U.S stock market and world market. To simply think that Hillary will glide through this because she will be the first female president need to remember 1994 and NAFTA. Yes, Hillary could very easily lose. We will have to see how this unfolds....."
So you believe that an economy destroyed by ideology that mimics Trump's will result in Trump being elected to do more of the same here? That people won't be sensible enough to see the misery and chaos that follow such histrionic movements?
I'm glad you are a Legion of one.
"The handwriting has been on the wall for HRC. The entire world is watching Brexit to unfold. Brexit negatively affected the U.S stock market and world market. To simply think that Hillary will glide through this because she will be the first female president need to remember 1994 and NAFTA. Yes, Hillary could very easily lose. We will have to see how this unfolds....."
So you believe that an economy destroyed by ideology that mimics Trump's will result in Trump being elected to do more of the same here? That people won't be sensible enough to see the misery and chaos that follow such histrionic movements?
I'm glad you are a Legion of one.
Ms. Chapman begins with such insight and ends following the fundamental fallacy of current politics - if people don't see things my way, they just haven't heard my thinking. Of course Bernie Sanders and those who follow him understand Sec. Clinton's ideas about "together." But as Ms. Chapman seems to understand early in her article, we are no longer together. The policies of Pres. Bill Clinton, along with decades of Republican led ideas about deregulation, the advantages of privileging capital, and supply side economics have constituted a war on working peoples' economic power. Does Drumpf offer a way forward? No. But the rising income and wealth inequality has resulted in a divide that can't be prettied up and we don't trust Sec. Clinton to understand that.
Less divisive arguments are little help when much more stark political and economic realities are afoot. It sounds a little like, "let us all eat cake."
Less divisive arguments are little help when much more stark political and economic realities are afoot. It sounds a little like, "let us all eat cake."
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Why don't politicians have the sense to talk about the low cost of goods and low inflation in the US, which is a direct result of globalization?
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It's a good question, my guess is that ultimately cheap goods from China can be spun by an opponent as the devil's brew that is destroying the middle class. Sure we got cheap stuff, but at what cost? All our manufacturing is gone overseas, so cheap stuff now ultimately equals a jobless economy down the road. I think it's a lot of what people fear.
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Yes, she is giving the wrong message. The Democratic party is giving the wrong message. They would do best to embrace Bernie and make him VP. Let Hillary have her day in the sun and leave Warren for the next sunrise. Bernie is spot on where the country needs to go. The system needs to be fixed and made uniform and honest! Enough gerrymandering, nonsensical judges (corrupt), financial engineering by Wall Street, Corporate power.
After more than 200 years one would think we would know how to treat people with some semblance of compassion, and equality! That is what it is really all about. The rich cannot be allowed to rule, that is the same as the dark ages! Take a real look at the history of the world!
After more than 200 years one would think we would know how to treat people with some semblance of compassion, and equality! That is what it is really all about. The rich cannot be allowed to rule, that is the same as the dark ages! Take a real look at the history of the world!
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I think it should be pointed out that if either Bernie or Elizabeth took an offer of VP, they would be effectively cutting their power as Senators and progressives drastically. John Nance Garner reportedly said, the office "is not worth a bucket of warm spit." I think if you asked other former VP's they'd probably agree.
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While listening to the Hamilton iTunes download during several long road trips recently, many of the songs and themes resonate. Hillary! is Burr--talk less (carefully scripted speeches, no press questions or conferences)--smile more, (unfortunately she's looking a little looney with that forced cackle).
The majority of American primary voters went anti-status quo....Hillary! is toast. As much as I worry about Trump, the US will survive him....but let's please in God's name hope they don't redecorate the White House.
The majority of American primary voters went anti-status quo....Hillary! is toast. As much as I worry about Trump, the US will survive him....but let's please in God's name hope they don't redecorate the White House.
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The DNC and the RNC have had tin ear syndrome.
Incrementalism is not what the people' are shouting for.
Third party by 2020 will be established.
Hillary is spinning around the drain.
Incrementalism is not what the people' are shouting for.
Third party by 2020 will be established.
Hillary is spinning around the drain.
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Clinton needs to focus half of her message on the Republican failure to govern. Voters are frustrated, but they need to know why. They need to know how good things could have been if the GOP led House and Senate didn't block every good initiative for jobs and a host of things that would have helped the average American. They need to be reminded that many of today's problems are a legacy of the Bush/Cheney years--indeed even of the Reagan years. Remind voters that to enact sweeping change, they need to sweep out the GOP.
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Reagan won reelection with a 49-state majority and was recently voted as the best president of the past 75 years. Blaming Reagan for the economic and foreign policy troubles over the past 8 years is a losing argument.
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Susan, you are right...but where does a voter go for information? Articles like these, glorified click bait. Instead of telling the story, the whole story, of how we got where we are, voters hear his claptrap about how Hillary is a vote for more of the same. Even from a purely symbolic perspective Hillary is something very different. There has never been a candidate like her. The Times seems devoted to making sure there will never be another. Voters get the message that they should vote from the gut presumably for the white, male, and histrionic candidate: Trump. We are told that the "old" days were somehow better. It must be the female candidate's fault! It's not the Times that is tone deaf, it's Hillary!
The fourth estate is failing us. Again.
The fourth estate is failing us. Again.
The start of deregulation lies in large part with him. Enough said.
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I'm seeing press reports that indicate that many British voters are reassessing their vote on this issue and may actually request a revote. This may helpfully demonstrate to Americans that stampeding around and selecting dramatically simple solutions to complex problems may be a will-o'-the-wisp they shouldn't chase after. I think that voters shouldn't even try to solve complex problems; they should focus on finding representatives who they trust.
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I'm not crazy about Hillary as a person, voting for her is a no brainer: Trump in the White House is an utterly terrifying thought. His hot temper, his arrogance, his prejudice, his ignorance, his inexperience, etc. etc. will not make America great again, it will set us on a path to disaster.
Dear Hillary: you need to take off the gloves, use your sense of humor more, get a far better slogan that the tame "I'm with her" one, keep Bill in the background, tell your campaign staff not to bore us with sleep inducing spin doctor lines. Use the Obama playbook: offer hope, be cool, be eloquent but don't lecture, be funny. And please, please, please, ditch the pant suits - don't be afraid to look sexy AND powerful (like Barack and Michelle).
Dear Hillary: you need to take off the gloves, use your sense of humor more, get a far better slogan that the tame "I'm with her" one, keep Bill in the background, tell your campaign staff not to bore us with sleep inducing spin doctor lines. Use the Obama playbook: offer hope, be cool, be eloquent but don't lecture, be funny. And please, please, please, ditch the pant suits - don't be afraid to look sexy AND powerful (like Barack and Michelle).
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She can wear whatever the wants. This comment is absurd.
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This is wonderful advice except for the fact that Hilary is utterly incapable of doing the things you recommend (especially the part about being cool.) Do you not think that if she were capable of being as compelling as you describe that she would have done so already?
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I could not care less about how Ms. Clinton packages herself, because if it is anything the primary showed us, is that she is all packaging, with nothing inside for our troubled times.
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More horse race coverage which reflects the insulated Beltway/Wall Street mentality of the Clintons and their corporate media champions such as the NY Times. Lumping Trump and Sanders supporters reflects the shallow non-journalism that has been the hallmark of the corporate media primary coverage.
Clinton's a known quantity who's "brand" is established just like Trump's. She'll win based more on being the Not Trump which is the real core of her actual campaign, unless Trump is somehow dumped by the GOP. Clinton's rhetoric as a "progressive" is borrowed Bernie but is transparent in its calculation. The recent Cinton-owned DNC Platform draft is just the latest example of that.
What the Brexit demonstrates is that people around the world have woken up to the rigged system of "globalization" in which democracy is owned by banks such as Goldman Sachs, the IMF et al. and fronted by their wholly-owned political puppets. We're at a point where no amount of rebranding the same old is going to calm the righteous anger of the majority here or elsewhere. What follows in November will tell us more than the current rumblings. And Clinton promises more of the same while Trump promises chaos, but in the US people are tiring of the "lesser of two evils" choice in our rigged politics.
Clinton's a known quantity who's "brand" is established just like Trump's. She'll win based more on being the Not Trump which is the real core of her actual campaign, unless Trump is somehow dumped by the GOP. Clinton's rhetoric as a "progressive" is borrowed Bernie but is transparent in its calculation. The recent Cinton-owned DNC Platform draft is just the latest example of that.
What the Brexit demonstrates is that people around the world have woken up to the rigged system of "globalization" in which democracy is owned by banks such as Goldman Sachs, the IMF et al. and fronted by their wholly-owned political puppets. We're at a point where no amount of rebranding the same old is going to calm the righteous anger of the majority here or elsewhere. What follows in November will tell us more than the current rumblings. And Clinton promises more of the same while Trump promises chaos, but in the US people are tiring of the "lesser of two evils" choice in our rigged politics.
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Your premise - angry populism will takeover the world - is questionable. The GOP yes. The USA no. As for the British:
They don't need no education. Thy're all just Brexit in the Wall.
They don't need no education. Thy're all just Brexit in the Wall.
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LOL! Man President Trump here we come. After reading this article, especially the ending, I realized that most likely we will have a President Trump. The Clinton campaign has not figured out yet that more then the top 2% count. They did decide more then the top .01% count. But they still have no use for the middle class. Sad really.
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If the populace were more grounded, rational, reflective, better informed, far-seeing and wise, we needn't fear democracy. But what they choose could be destabilizing and not in their own best interests. Rather like handing an inebriated teenager the keys to the car. Even a benevolent dictatorship would be better. And I don't mean Trump. I said benevolent.
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In truth, many in the electorate are angry in no small part because they don't realize how good that they have it. But, in other respects, the electorate sees over-regulation and taxation as onerous. In healthcare, for example, government's regulations are way, way ahead of the science of what government is trying to regulate in quality of care. For example, when to get a CAT scan of the head is far, far more judgment based than founded on "evidence based medicine." Hillary had better start channeling voters' attitudes and begin a major campaign to reduce nonsensical regulations. Like the welfare reform that her husband led, she needs to lead regulatory reform and let it start in healthcare.
Hillary is the "Remain" side here. Remain committed to unreasonable immigration demands, remain full of establishment promises for a better economy while promising some workers their industry should die, remain untrusted as more corruption clouds her integrity, and remain stunned that there is a population rising who threaten her blind allegiance to the fractured status quo.
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No, neither the power nor the wishes and frustrations of the people can be dismissed. However, until those same people are fully informed and understand the repercussions of their choices, no good can come from choosing paths that have no real chance of succeeding and, in certain promised agendas, might hurt more than they help.
The British who voted to leave the EU most probably had no idea of the worldwide turmoil that would be wrought, and I'll venture to say that many are rueing their vote today with many more in the weeks and months to come. We're never going back to "the good old days" no matter what anyone tells you.
I'm 66 years old, and I "get" it. Banking, economies, people - are are now globally intertwined whether we like it or not. Perhaps instead of trying to go back to the way things were, we need to accept what is and go forward from there. Look at our immigration policies - what works and what doesn't - and make changes. But to preach closing borders and excluding entire groups of people is unrealistic and just panders to those who haven't a clue as to how the world has truly changed and what is even possible today.
We are a nation which is an integral part of this world of nations who are interdependent. Our leaders need to tell the truth, and what is possible in the context of the current world, why certain things are necessary, where change can occur, and stop trying to win votes by promising to go back to the way things were - NOT going to happen...
The British who voted to leave the EU most probably had no idea of the worldwide turmoil that would be wrought, and I'll venture to say that many are rueing their vote today with many more in the weeks and months to come. We're never going back to "the good old days" no matter what anyone tells you.
I'm 66 years old, and I "get" it. Banking, economies, people - are are now globally intertwined whether we like it or not. Perhaps instead of trying to go back to the way things were, we need to accept what is and go forward from there. Look at our immigration policies - what works and what doesn't - and make changes. But to preach closing borders and excluding entire groups of people is unrealistic and just panders to those who haven't a clue as to how the world has truly changed and what is even possible today.
We are a nation which is an integral part of this world of nations who are interdependent. Our leaders need to tell the truth, and what is possible in the context of the current world, why certain things are necessary, where change can occur, and stop trying to win votes by promising to go back to the way things were - NOT going to happen...
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The Times articles are so rife with prejudice. Why write, "Mr. Trump’s grievance-driven promise to 'Make America Great Again?'" I'm not grievance-ridden, but I am old and world-traveled enough compared to the 20-somethings who run this rag to know that America was once great and no reason why it cannot be so again. Steering clear of all the identify politics that so energizes the editors, how about starting a bandwagon to renew our highways and airports? New York City, your city, the greatest city in the world, oh yeah, is a pathetic gridlocked mess, and you don't seem to think that anything can be done about it. The great masses of commuters have learned to wear their chains gladly, and you let it all slip by in plain sight.
I'll say this. You still make it easy for the ordinary Joe to comment, if not really be heard. Otherwise, I wouldn't turn to a newspaper that has dropped all pretense of objectivity with regard to the election.
I'll say this. You still make it easy for the ordinary Joe to comment, if not really be heard. Otherwise, I wouldn't turn to a newspaper that has dropped all pretense of objectivity with regard to the election.
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@ Barefoot Boy.
You contradict yourself within just two sentences.
First you accuse the NYT to be a rag run by 20=somethings, and then follow up in the very next sentence about the need of 'steering clear of all indentify [sic] politics'.
Now who is steering identity politics here?
You contradict yourself within just two sentences.
First you accuse the NYT to be a rag run by 20=somethings, and then follow up in the very next sentence about the need of 'steering clear of all indentify [sic] politics'.
Now who is steering identity politics here?
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She needs Bernie more than ever. America needs Bernie more than ever. How is she going to show she understands that?
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The post Brexit mood will be why did we "shot" ourselfs in the foot as billions of pass through currencies bypass "The City of London" and connect in Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam and New York City. Losing the finical services industry will send England (no pun intended) into a panic as large US investment banks officially open at midnight EST. To turn over globalization and immigration to shopkeepers, pensioners and worn out Old white people is tantamount to flushing money down the toilet. England makes nothing today and always prospered with globalization and trade. There is no such thing as a chutney making society or bird watchers economy and today, flowers come from Asia.
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England has lost one of the most recognizable automobiles all over the world, Rolls Royce and Bentley, now being build by none other than Volkswagen.
Indeed, chutney, bird watching and even golf won't make up for the industries that they have lost.
Once Scotland declares its independence from the UK they'll lose the all the St. Andrews golf links, including the Royal and Ancient that was the cradle of golf 600 years ago, in addition to the best single malts Scotches such as Glenfiddish.
Indeed, chutney, bird watching and even golf won't make up for the industries that they have lost.
Once Scotland declares its independence from the UK they'll lose the all the St. Andrews golf links, including the Royal and Ancient that was the cradle of golf 600 years ago, in addition to the best single malts Scotches such as Glenfiddish.
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I am an American.
As an American I know that we have always been a country that will allow a person to say those words... and we believe them at their word. We try to teach our children to accept other people and their beliefs.
Senator Warren is trying to play a game that she has been given the parameters and rules to.
She intends to win this game. Let's hope that she can win by the rules that were given to her and then CHANGE those rules for the good of the honest hard working people of this country.
Even though people see the bad in what Trump represents he is a reflection of half of our country. He says what that half needs to hear in order for him to get elected. People like George Will and Mitt Romney are only leaving the Republican Party as a protest because they know Trump will not play by the rules.
As an American I know that we have always been a country that will allow a person to say those words... and we believe them at their word. We try to teach our children to accept other people and their beliefs.
Senator Warren is trying to play a game that she has been given the parameters and rules to.
She intends to win this game. Let's hope that she can win by the rules that were given to her and then CHANGE those rules for the good of the honest hard working people of this country.
Even though people see the bad in what Trump represents he is a reflection of half of our country. He says what that half needs to hear in order for him to get elected. People like George Will and Mitt Romney are only leaving the Republican Party as a protest because they know Trump will not play by the rules.
When we vote Hillry the puppet of Wall Street , we are voting FOR Wall Street . When we vote Trump , we are voting Trump and not any street or Sac.
You choose whether you want vote a human being , with all his human faults and foibles or vote an inhuman commercial corporation who cares for just one and only one thing viz, commercial profits . They don't even know who the human beings are !
Choose you representatives who knows what it is to be human .
You choose whether you want vote a human being , with all his human faults and foibles or vote an inhuman commercial corporation who cares for just one and only one thing viz, commercial profits . They don't even know who the human beings are !
Choose you representatives who knows what it is to be human .
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Hillary needs to do do two things to save her skin and the Party in the meantime:
1. Push election reform
2. Abandon her support of the big banks
Yes, it would hurt in the short term, but it would give her some spine, salve the nerves of the Bernie supporters and move the Party back to where it was born - in progressivism. Ms. Clinton, make the Democratic party democratic again.
1. Push election reform
2. Abandon her support of the big banks
Yes, it would hurt in the short term, but it would give her some spine, salve the nerves of the Bernie supporters and move the Party back to where it was born - in progressivism. Ms. Clinton, make the Democratic party democratic again.
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She can't abandon her support of big banks. They own her -- they paid for her, lock, stock, and barrel. If she started doing what really needs to be done -- break up these monstrosities that play us like puppets and eliminate the "too big to fail" notion -- there would be heck to pay. It won't happen
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The Brexit vote is a classic case of people getting something that they didn't bargain for. Now, there is a lot of talk about how immigration is at the heart of the problem and people are so concerned that they are willing to overthrow the establishment and withdraw into isolationism.
I think it's simpler than that. People are becoming more aware that conservative ideals are failing. Austerity in the UK and, to a lesser extent here in the US, has had an impact on the lives of many people. The growing inequality and declining opportunity have finally penetrated the consciousness of voters.
Making immigrants scapegoats and nostalgia for better times allows politicians to divert attention from the real problems. This is dangerous because it allows demagogues an opening.
We see that there was apparently a lot of ignorance and misinformation in the UK that drove the Brexit vote. The tabloids played a part in the spread of the belief that people were voting for a return to some halcyon times when Britain was great. Unscrupulous politicians were able to convince people that the costs of membership in the EU was much greater than the benefits.
There are a lot of legitimate arguments about the EU, but they were not presented in ways people could understand. The negative "messages: prevailed. Now, there seems to be some buyers' remorse about the vote. No one knows what will happen next. This kind of uncertainty is bad for the economy and bad for democracy.
I think it's simpler than that. People are becoming more aware that conservative ideals are failing. Austerity in the UK and, to a lesser extent here in the US, has had an impact on the lives of many people. The growing inequality and declining opportunity have finally penetrated the consciousness of voters.
Making immigrants scapegoats and nostalgia for better times allows politicians to divert attention from the real problems. This is dangerous because it allows demagogues an opening.
We see that there was apparently a lot of ignorance and misinformation in the UK that drove the Brexit vote. The tabloids played a part in the spread of the belief that people were voting for a return to some halcyon times when Britain was great. Unscrupulous politicians were able to convince people that the costs of membership in the EU was much greater than the benefits.
There are a lot of legitimate arguments about the EU, but they were not presented in ways people could understand. The negative "messages: prevailed. Now, there seems to be some buyers' remorse about the vote. No one knows what will happen next. This kind of uncertainty is bad for the economy and bad for democracy.
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In the UK resentment for the establishment will get a whole lot worse once the pro Brexit camp has finally worked out that it "has been had" by the present government.
Once they see that Cameron had a "plan-B" in operation in order not to loose his shirt (far) prior to the elections, thus retaining Tory power, the Brexit revenge will be breathtaking.
Cameron's "plan-B" was to put his colleague, College-pal and former Major of London, Boris Johnson as the Trojan Horse in the Brexit camp month ago.
Now that Cameron is gone, Boris will be his replacement Prime Minister and with the farewell promise of Cameron when he said he will always be available for his country to assist with the negotiations that are surely coming up with the EC, if only to waist time that essentially may allow the Tories to "NIX" the outcome of the referendum in a few years, when he hopes sentiments will have changed dramatically due to the EC gifts the UK is surely harvest.
The end result will be that "nothing" changes other then these Give-aways from Brussels, so that the EC can force their Rockefeller UN wish of "One World Order" on Europe.
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For us Europeans, there is only one solution, forbid the EC to form a Federation and have Brussels take over all powers of attorney, thus wriggling out the various individual governments!
(all European countries should only co-operate on basis of the Swiss agreement with the EC - in essence go back to the EEC which was a monetary union only!).
Once they see that Cameron had a "plan-B" in operation in order not to loose his shirt (far) prior to the elections, thus retaining Tory power, the Brexit revenge will be breathtaking.
Cameron's "plan-B" was to put his colleague, College-pal and former Major of London, Boris Johnson as the Trojan Horse in the Brexit camp month ago.
Now that Cameron is gone, Boris will be his replacement Prime Minister and with the farewell promise of Cameron when he said he will always be available for his country to assist with the negotiations that are surely coming up with the EC, if only to waist time that essentially may allow the Tories to "NIX" the outcome of the referendum in a few years, when he hopes sentiments will have changed dramatically due to the EC gifts the UK is surely harvest.
The end result will be that "nothing" changes other then these Give-aways from Brussels, so that the EC can force their Rockefeller UN wish of "One World Order" on Europe.
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For us Europeans, there is only one solution, forbid the EC to form a Federation and have Brussels take over all powers of attorney, thus wriggling out the various individual governments!
(all European countries should only co-operate on basis of the Swiss agreement with the EC - in essence go back to the EEC which was a monetary union only!).
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I am British and can see just how much regret there is among the population at the vote. The process in itself has badly divided the population and even people who voted to leave are shocked at the impact they're seeing plus how those who promised benefits of leaving are now recanting those claims. I think all this helps Hillary in her call for stability because we no longer have to wait to see the impact of stupid decisions by voting Trump.
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Question:.If the markets and pound hadn't crashed after the Brexit vote, do you think there would be all the pearl clutching we're seeing now? I understand why young people are upset but the reaction of the finance world, including the markets, seems the dominant theme...
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Yeah, stability to the unemployed. Sounds like Feudalism.
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The biggest difference between the Brexit vote and our presidential race is simple:
In Great Britain people voted for a bad idea.
In Donald Trump people would be voting for a bad man.
Here's a prayer that most Americans are wise enough to know the difference.
In Great Britain people voted for a bad idea.
In Donald Trump people would be voting for a bad man.
Here's a prayer that most Americans are wise enough to know the difference.
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Hillary says a lot about nothing and after she speaks you ask yourself "What did she just say?" She's a sharp politician, that's exactly what she is. It reminds me of Obama's sound bites when he was running, only hers are longer speeches that are so noncommittal.
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Lara, it is quite an art she has mastered to say so many words and in the end not say anything and to make sure that anything you said cannot amount to anything that can be pinned on you. She's a walking pantsuit with the comfort and feel of polyester.
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It's the French Revolution happening here.
It wasn't a bad economy which drove the French to overthrow the royalty. It was unusually good times for a few years. People got used to the better conditions. When things went back to normal, they blamed the government.
Post war America saw booming times for the average worker. European industry was in shambles. Asia was worse. America farmers fed the world and of factories supplied everything else, especially modern technology. Lack of education did not prevent Americans from reaching income levels formerly found only for college graduates.
It's now a different world. While there have been localized wars, overall peace has reigned for decades. Europe rebuilt and Asia blossomed. American workers, with their diminished unions, have gone back to the economic level of their pre-war counterparts. They want college graduate living standards while performing the high school level jobs for which they qualify and they are no longer getting it. And they don't like it.
It wasn't a bad economy which drove the French to overthrow the royalty. It was unusually good times for a few years. People got used to the better conditions. When things went back to normal, they blamed the government.
Post war America saw booming times for the average worker. European industry was in shambles. Asia was worse. America farmers fed the world and of factories supplied everything else, especially modern technology. Lack of education did not prevent Americans from reaching income levels formerly found only for college graduates.
It's now a different world. While there have been localized wars, overall peace has reigned for decades. Europe rebuilt and Asia blossomed. American workers, with their diminished unions, have gone back to the economic level of their pre-war counterparts. They want college graduate living standards while performing the high school level jobs for which they qualify and they are no longer getting it. And they don't like it.
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"We have nothing to fear except fear itself." I wonder what Churchill would think about the fear the has gripped his country?
The primary conventions are not over yet. America is a land of the free and a home to the brave. We are a blend of nations and will continue to be.
Sanders and Warren won't give up the fight. They are our voice of the future.
The primary conventions are not over yet. America is a land of the free and a home to the brave. We are a blend of nations and will continue to be.
Sanders and Warren won't give up the fight. They are our voice of the future.
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Folks, he is right there in front of you. To address all the populist concern, in a responsible, caring, effective manner. Bernie Sanders.
This article has some things right. The Brexit certainly is a signal that HRC's message is falling on deaf ears. Of course it is slanted towards Hillary anyway, being the NYT's. "Complacent with her victory". It has never gotten to the point where victory would be something she can feel complacent about. This is still a battle.
Get this: Her candidacy could very well result in Trump reaching the White House. It would be the ultimate blow against this country the the Clinton's have committed. HRC, PLEASE get out of the way. Oh another thing the article has wrong. No, "most" of Bernies supporters are in no way going to vote for HRC. That's out. They won't vote at all, they'll write Bernie in. They won't vote for Trump, or maybe they will....
This article has some things right. The Brexit certainly is a signal that HRC's message is falling on deaf ears. Of course it is slanted towards Hillary anyway, being the NYT's. "Complacent with her victory". It has never gotten to the point where victory would be something she can feel complacent about. This is still a battle.
Get this: Her candidacy could very well result in Trump reaching the White House. It would be the ultimate blow against this country the the Clinton's have committed. HRC, PLEASE get out of the way. Oh another thing the article has wrong. No, "most" of Bernies supporters are in no way going to vote for HRC. That's out. They won't vote at all, they'll write Bernie in. They won't vote for Trump, or maybe they will....
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Fortunately, there are enough sane black, Latino and Asians to keep the USA from suffering because of its stupidity.
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Many Britons who voted to exit the E.U. are now having buyers remorse as they see the result of that decision in just the first day with markets plunging and the resulting financial instability all over the world. Over 2 million of them have signed a petition to have another vote to undo what has been done.
So, don't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon that is saying Ms. Clinton must change her campaign or lose the election to the charlatan, Donald Trump. You are behaving like sheep or lemmings following the latest trend without thinking things through.
So, don't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon that is saying Ms. Clinton must change her campaign or lose the election to the charlatan, Donald Trump. You are behaving like sheep or lemmings following the latest trend without thinking things through.
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"They also said many British voters were revolting against a bureaucracy in Brussels that they regarded as bloated, overpaid and prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign countries." Substitute "American" for "British" and "Washington, DC" for "Brussels" and you get what is driving otherwise sane voters to go whole hog for Trump and not feel any warmth for Clinton.
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"Her fundamental argument, much akin to Prime Minister David Cameron’s against British withdrawal from the European Union, is that Americans should value stability and incremental change over the risks entailed in radical change and the possibility of chaos if Donald J. Trump wins the presidency."
Really? She was singing that narrative when she pushed for the Arab Spring. She is beyond belief.
Really? She was singing that narrative when she pushed for the Arab Spring. She is beyond belief.
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If Clinton was not surprised by the British vote to take their country back , Her upcoming loss should come as no surprise either.
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Cautious?? Clinton has left a neon slime trail of voter suppresion and fraud! God bless the UK for protecting their sovereignty and democracy. The destroyed democratic party have said their platform will support the TPP, TTIP, and TISA. These are secretive global takeovers by the most evil of US corporations like Monsanto.
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Seems to me Hillary is still giving tiny rallies to only a couple dozen people. But I'm sure she won fair and square.
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Globalization means the rich get richer and the working class gets new lower paying jobs in fast food. Mrs. Clinton is up to her eyeballs in the status quo in a year when status quo is just not good enough. If not for Bernie and Trump, Mrs. Clinton would have continued to promote TPP. She wisely flip-flopped on that one. The electorate is discontented with the status quo. They want change. I am appalled at how the liberal press portrays Brexit as the end of Western Civilization. Switzerland never joined the EU and they have prospered. The future is not a movie scripted by liberal dogma.
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I believe your perspective is off base. Globalization has brought marked improvements in the lives of billions....just not so much in the US and Europe. We were the ones for whom everything worked, while the rest simply had to accept and settle. This trend,Like all trends, reverses over time; this is a very very long cycle. We can slow it down by government action (i.e. By a huge and expensive government) but we cannot fundamentally alter it.
The 'Brexit' revolt certainly casts a shadow over Hillary Clinton and further dampens the enthusiasm for her. Polls taken after the Brexit vote may bring some clarity to where she really stands. It is by now very clear that the lesser of the 2 evils candidate will prevail. With all the wrong doing of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state surfacing every day, it would be getting more and more difficult to consider in good conscience voting for Hillary. Sanders would clearly have had a better chance but he seems to have capitulated and practically given up putting a real fight. The Libetarian candidate is lack luster and sooner or later will be wiped out. Overall it seems like Trump has all of a sudden found better days and enough time to fine tune is campaign and drawn a huge voter turnout.
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To Girish Kotwal:
You write of Mrs. Clinton that "polls taken after the Brexit vote may bring some clarity to whe"re she really stands."
The polls are in; they were taken over the weekend since the Brexit vote. Mrs. Clinton's lead over Mr. Trump grew astoundingly, to 13 points from 3 points, since the Brexit vote.
That might not tell you "where she stands" but it certainly tells you that the voters of this country see her as a far stronger, more reliable, more trustworthy, and more qualified leader to deal with such a situation -- and other international issues, be they crises or ongoing changes.
You write of Mrs. Clinton that "polls taken after the Brexit vote may bring some clarity to whe"re she really stands."
The polls are in; they were taken over the weekend since the Brexit vote. Mrs. Clinton's lead over Mr. Trump grew astoundingly, to 13 points from 3 points, since the Brexit vote.
That might not tell you "where she stands" but it certainly tells you that the voters of this country see her as a far stronger, more reliable, more trustworthy, and more qualified leader to deal with such a situation -- and other international issues, be they crises or ongoing changes.
Maybe I missed it. How many people are showing up to hear Hillary speak....15,000, 20,000, 30,000, or 500? Hardcore Democrats will vote democrat regardless of the candidate. The real question is will Demcrat liters and independents vote for no change Hillary?
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Things are changing. I am a life long Dem, but I will no longer play the lesser evilism game. Will not vote for Clinton.
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Donald J. Trump will be our next president. He will have converted the GOP into a nationalist, populist, pragmatic "big tent" party -- Gallup recently even noted that 23% of Trump supporters are black and growing rapidly as a % of all supporters, 46% are women, and 37% are people of Hispanic heritage, people who came here legally and resent people cheerleading for job-snatching illegals (sorry label throwers).
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The question that American people will be answering this coming November is pretty simple. Will our country continue the failed policies of the past, or should it turn around? The vote for Clinton is a vote for the old and tried and failing ideas.
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So many comments against Clinton and decrying the system. Meanwhile the Brits are having second thoughts about their terrible decision. The country is about to break up, a return to recession is imminent. A currency in free fall and next week is likely to bring a bloodbath in job cuts as companies (yes those vilified organizations) start to shift jobs out of the UK. Its been shown that many people didnt even know what they were voting for !
And this is what the people want to happen here?
A call to "return to greatness" but an empty call. There are no specifics, no plans on how to achieve this. People continue to be in denial about just how dramatically the world order has changed. Sure Mrs. Clinton is a flawed candidate but voting for Trump because of this? People in glass houses indeed.
And this is what the people want to happen here?
A call to "return to greatness" but an empty call. There are no specifics, no plans on how to achieve this. People continue to be in denial about just how dramatically the world order has changed. Sure Mrs. Clinton is a flawed candidate but voting for Trump because of this? People in glass houses indeed.
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Make America great again - resonates well with voters. I think Trumph has more advantages than Clinton. No incumbency, no political hang outs, not attached to the conventional republican political ideology. Younger generation seems to be with him. Only positive Clinton may have is President Obama putting his weight behind her, which might transfer black voters to her.
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"We need change, but change that doesn't cause unintended consequence." Too bad she didn't think of that before pushing NAFTA and destabilizing Libya. Clinton: a proven record of bad judgement with fatal consequences.
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Hillary's delusion that this election is about things rational (and therefor 'explainable') will be her downfall. She is in trouble in ways she and her campaign do not (yet) understand or seem capable of responding to. I am glad that Mr. Healy's analysis is in print.
Trump has an excellent intuitive understanding of where grievances are, and he can appeal to that over and over again. Tho' his responses are self-serving, authoritarian, xenophobic, angry, bigoted and big policy disasters worldwide, his connections with voters' fears and resentments are well practiced.
Bernie's connections were spot on, and were combined with his compassionate and progressive policies. Hillary's connections with voters' fear and anger is marginal.
I remain quite concerned about how HRC and the DNC pull this together.
Trump has an excellent intuitive understanding of where grievances are, and he can appeal to that over and over again. Tho' his responses are self-serving, authoritarian, xenophobic, angry, bigoted and big policy disasters worldwide, his connections with voters' fears and resentments are well practiced.
Bernie's connections were spot on, and were combined with his compassionate and progressive policies. Hillary's connections with voters' fear and anger is marginal.
I remain quite concerned about how HRC and the DNC pull this together.
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All change is risk, nothing is risked with a vote for Hillary Clinton. Her biggest problem is what she is selling comes across as risk free. Sorry, but it is time for change-- and, if we don't want change, we don't vote.
Trump says vote for change. Clinton says vote for status quo. Who do you think will be motivated to get out and vote? Trump knows.
Trump says vote for change. Clinton says vote for status quo. Who do you think will be motivated to get out and vote? Trump knows.
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Democrats say: "saying mass immigration and economic malaise were bigger problems in Britain and the European Union than in the United States. They also said many British voters were revolting against a bureaucracy in Brussels that they regarded as bloated, overpaid and prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign countries(states)" I got news for you that is exactly what the Amrican people feel about a Federal Gov't that is run amok and ruining the country. It
driving jobs away, costs and spends too much, and taxes too highly! The para-
llel between Brexit and Ovomit are undeniable! The country will rid itself of a government that is oppressive, too expensive and out of control! THC
driving jobs away, costs and spends too much, and taxes too highly! The para-
llel between Brexit and Ovomit are undeniable! The country will rid itself of a government that is oppressive, too expensive and out of control! THC
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The Brexit pot has been simmering for quite some time and has finally boiled over. In the UK, as in the US, the middle class, middle income people who are the backbone of both countries have had enough of being patronized, deceived and ignored by politicians and faceless government bureaucrats. Populism, national sovereignty and love of country may be feared and loathed by the Global Elitist faction but they have been outvoted by the people.
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Imagine Brits disgruntled with a government that treats them as second class citizens at the same time it imports needy immigrants from muslim countries. Immigrants who require and demand resources paid for by British taxpayers. Resources that support immigrants at the expense of British citizens. Imagine citizens of the country that gave us the Magna Carta being governed by faceless bureaucrats and elites in Brussels. The disconnect is obvious and the US is on track to repeat Britain's EU mistake. Clinton is on board with the globalist agenda and will suffer politically for it.
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Mrs. Clinton's successor as secretary of state, John Kerry, would probably advise her to avoid saying anything along the lines of "I was for the Trans-Pacific Partnership before I was against it." Which can be deadly in a presidential campaign. Or is she for it again? Depends on the day. And the audience. Or what edition of "Hard Choices" you may be reading.
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The shadow is gathering over Brexit fan Trump. His irresponsibility in championing this recession-making, job-killing adventure will be pretty obvious, pretty quick.
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The establishment is always fearful of populist politics (and effective union leaders). It's odd a NYT article would lead with the similarities between the Tory Cameron and the Democrat Clinton. But judging from the recent actions of the DNC platform committee which substantially reversed the calculated 'populist' shifts to the left made by candidate Clinton during the primaries on several key issues. If the Democratic Party continues to swing to the conservative right they may very well find themselves in Cameron's shoes come November. Hopefully the Party regains consciousness in the 21st century before the convention in Philadelphia.
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Wait, did I just read the term illegal immigrant in the NYT's? That's right, that's what this is about, not undocumented aliens, but illegal immigrants and the UK has voted for an end to open borders and if Hillary wants to win this election she ought to listen. The people in the middle are tired of being lectured to and talked at, we're tired of trying to get by instead of getting ahead. And yes, we're tired of people from other countries taking our jobs and still complaining that even though they jump the line, they're not getting to the front fast enough. Listen up Hillary, no one wants the same old tired arguments you are offering, so maybe you should be a little bolder. Last year when Trump jumped in, everyone laughed, last week everyone thought it unthinkable that Britain would leave the EU. People are fed up and want a change.
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#1 A grifter is a con artist: someone who swindles people out of money through fraud.
#2 A compulsive liar is someone who lies with ease and finds comfort in it. The person may even continue to lie when presented with the truth in cold, hard facts.
#3 The term egomania is often used by laypersons in a pejorative fashion to describe an individual who is intolerably self-centred. The clinical condition that most resembles the popular conception of egomania is narcissistic personality disorder.
Donald qualifies for all three- and everybody knows it. We have really fallen down the rabbit hole just by considering Trump as an acceptable candidate. I understand there are many people that have lost faith in the system- but electing Donald?
OK, rational arguments make no difference.
Billionaire businessman? NO, he finds ways to rip off the vulnerable.
Someone who cares about me? Are you kidding, see #3 above.
A change agent? He demonstrates extensive ignorance about our system.
Job creator? He outsources everything.
But let's elect him anyway 'cause we're mad and hopeless? If we elect him, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
#2 A compulsive liar is someone who lies with ease and finds comfort in it. The person may even continue to lie when presented with the truth in cold, hard facts.
#3 The term egomania is often used by laypersons in a pejorative fashion to describe an individual who is intolerably self-centred. The clinical condition that most resembles the popular conception of egomania is narcissistic personality disorder.
Donald qualifies for all three- and everybody knows it. We have really fallen down the rabbit hole just by considering Trump as an acceptable candidate. I understand there are many people that have lost faith in the system- but electing Donald?
OK, rational arguments make no difference.
Billionaire businessman? NO, he finds ways to rip off the vulnerable.
Someone who cares about me? Are you kidding, see #3 above.
A change agent? He demonstrates extensive ignorance about our system.
Job creator? He outsources everything.
But let's elect him anyway 'cause we're mad and hopeless? If we elect him, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
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He's a businessman. He is no different than Apple, which convinces you that you must have expensive things that you could do without, or Volkswagen, which sells clean exhaust cars that are dirty. And I see little difference between Trump University and conventional schools, including law schools, that charge sky high tuition, financed with student loans, and leave you jobless.
As for waiting for market dips as investment opportunities, that is sound investment advice, not vulture capitalism. If nobody bought during dips, then dips would turn into market crashes. And if there were never any dips, the market balloon would go higher, higher and higher, until it burst and crashed to earth.
As for waiting for market dips as investment opportunities, that is sound investment advice, not vulture capitalism. If nobody bought during dips, then dips would turn into market crashes. And if there were never any dips, the market balloon would go higher, higher and higher, until it burst and crashed to earth.
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When Sen. Warren visited Clinton headquarters June 17 and cautioned the staff, "Don't screw this up," it was a message that just as well could have been given to the candidate herself.
Mrs. Clinton, who's heavily invested in gender politics and the status quo, has shown a lot of swagger since clinching the nomination after gaining roughly 16.7 million votes. But one measure of the overall depth of discontent is that the Trump-Sanders total was nearly 27 million, and if the Cruz vote is added, the number becomes about 34.7 million.
So it's safe to say that, amid so much seething anger, "Business As Usual" isn't an especially reassuring theme and that most Americans want Washington's Augean stables cleaned out, not just redecorated. Which leads to the question of how somebody who embodies The Establishment intends to do that.
"Brexit" is only one piece of evidence that counting on a given electorate to behave rationally is a risky bet. Bush 43, it's worth remembering, managed to win not one election, but two. And this time, we deserve a more convincing rationale than "I'm Not Trump."
Mrs. Clinton's recent mocking mode brings to mind her delight in being sarcastic. As in 2008, when she belittled then-Sen. Obama with lines like "The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing. ..."
An entertaining tactic maybe, but ultimately not a winner. Mrs. Clinton was out of sync with most voters then and, if her tone-deafness isn't cured, could be again.
Mrs. Clinton, who's heavily invested in gender politics and the status quo, has shown a lot of swagger since clinching the nomination after gaining roughly 16.7 million votes. But one measure of the overall depth of discontent is that the Trump-Sanders total was nearly 27 million, and if the Cruz vote is added, the number becomes about 34.7 million.
So it's safe to say that, amid so much seething anger, "Business As Usual" isn't an especially reassuring theme and that most Americans want Washington's Augean stables cleaned out, not just redecorated. Which leads to the question of how somebody who embodies The Establishment intends to do that.
"Brexit" is only one piece of evidence that counting on a given electorate to behave rationally is a risky bet. Bush 43, it's worth remembering, managed to win not one election, but two. And this time, we deserve a more convincing rationale than "I'm Not Trump."
Mrs. Clinton's recent mocking mode brings to mind her delight in being sarcastic. As in 2008, when she belittled then-Sen. Obama with lines like "The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing. ..."
An entertaining tactic maybe, but ultimately not a winner. Mrs. Clinton was out of sync with most voters then and, if her tone-deafness isn't cured, could be again.
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Someone who reads the NYT with a realistic comment. There is a God!
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> Taking a break from his bookkeeping duties on Friday
Typical skullduggery around these parts. Someone is negative about Clinton, so they imply he's involved in illegal gambling.
Typical skullduggery around these parts. Someone is negative about Clinton, so they imply he's involved in illegal gambling.
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He??? Bill isn't running.
It seems that most of the angry comments filling these pages are written mostly by white males. I think white males feel the most threatened by the changing demographics and economics. Generally, women and people of color are doing better than they were thirty years ago - so they are not the ones fueling this anger. In the good old days white males only had to compete among themselves for university spots, apprenticeships and jobs - now everyone is competing which means they have lost positions to women and minorities. You can feel the resentment oozing out of these comments. In reality, immigration is just a red herring. The real issues that Ms. Clinton and Trump need to address are wage stagnation, exorbitant college tuition, gun control, discrimination and bringing our 20th century infrastructure into the 21st century - these issues affect everyone - and have nothing to do with Syrian refugees or Isis
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Dana, you don't get it. To me, I do not see a woman candidate, I see a politicians. That's it. My negative comments would not be different, if there was a male running, instead of a woman. If nothing else, your comment is an insult to woman, because you have to play teh sexism card.
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in the future, while males will have to share that which has been theirs for many, many generations. Of course they feel threatened. Hopefully society will move towards a place where all are looked at by the "content of their character, not the color of their skin", and no matter their gender. What a shame if all this "progressive" work resulted in just flipping the control of power to a new majority. I suppose some could say that it would be payback time. I pray and hope for a society where all are treated with respect and valued for what they can bring to a just society.
I am an older white male, with my own business. Not doing as well as I was 10-15 years ago, I have my health and my family, a nice home after 40 years of work, and the best friends ever. I am in the process of expanding my business. I do not feel especially strong about any of the candidates that are/were running.
You are absolutely right. Those you mentioned and other issues are truly the issues; you are spot on about that, but we do need a leader who truly can bring us together on some semblance of common ground. The division hurts and slows everything down. We need to continually bake a bigger economic pie, not just re-slice the existing one.
You are absolutely right. Those you mentioned and other issues are truly the issues; you are spot on about that, but we do need a leader who truly can bring us together on some semblance of common ground. The division hurts and slows everything down. We need to continually bake a bigger economic pie, not just re-slice the existing one.
Maybe a Clinton/Sanders ticket may be in the best interest to this country and Hillary Clinton. Those 12 million voters that tipped the scale to a "leave the EU " victory, could have the same outcome here with Sanders voters on the fence. It is an opportunity for our Nation and for the Hillary (status quo) and Bernie Sanders (change) to come together and show our nation and the world that the two can work together to solve the problems of inequality, education, and everything else. This is a golden opportunity. Pls consider it.
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Won't happen. Clinton and her supporters, threw Sanders, under the bus with his supporters.
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Bernie Sanders surely a plus knows that after the election Vice Presidents carry no weight. Although afterwards he could get on TV and give his opinion which we all know would start a riot!
So the DNC Platform includes NO $15/hr min wage; pro-tracking; pro TPP; no push for solar--in other words, despite her talk, HRC ain't going to walk her talk. As usual, she's done a "180" and will pay back her 1% backers and if elected, we'll be stuck with creeping along with NO progressive platform. She is deaf to what the majority of middle class Americans need. She is not a visionary; she is not a leader. The DNC will join Brexit and fall into the past. We've wasted another opportunity to help our young citizens achieve greatness. Flat, stale DNC. Feeling beyond disgusted.
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And the media will still act like the Democrat ticket is the way to go. They are in bed with each other. The media never calls out Democrats for their unintended consequences to achieve their version of utopia, but finally they ask about unintended consequences that might occur from a Trump presidency? Complete hypocrites. If they substituted the name Bush when talking about the actions and decisions of Hiliary and Obumma, they would not be so quick to blow off the unintended consequences. (ie: Bushcare would not be thought of as a good thing, with premiums quadrupling, and we still have 30M people uninsured. Benghazi under Bush would have resulted in appropriate resignations, firings, and appropriate retaliation against our enemies. The media would have blamed Bush for losing our ambassador. But, since it's Hiliary, the media ignores it
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That's your problem. You feel it is your duty to "help" everybody. And by that I mean certain people you think are just too inept to do anything without your benevolent guidance. But thanks for saddling those young people you are so worried about with almost 20 trillion in debt. That was a great "help"
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"But when Mrs. Clinton takes pains to explain why Mr. Trump’s promises and policies do not add up, or are too risky, she runs a risk of her own: that she will sound as though she is instructing or talking down to her audience. Not many voters want a lecturer as president... The American electorate has tilted this year toward presidential candidates who make them feel as much as think"
And therein lies the problem: Large segments of the electorate are radically unfit to think seriously about adult issues and make rational adult decisions.
And therein lies the problem: Large segments of the electorate are radically unfit to think seriously about adult issues and make rational adult decisions.
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You miss the point, Ms. Clinton continues to pander to different groups, just to get votes. In the end, she is running on "status quo". Anyone who does not agree with Clinton is considered not an adult, in your book. This will not bring people to unite behind Clinton, but drive more people away.
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John writes
"Large segments of the electorate are radically unfit to think seriously about adult issues and make rational adult decisions."
The Clinton supporters mirror the pro-exit supporters in the U.K. They had the inability to see how this would affect the UK and the rest of the world. Hillary supporters need to understand the anger of the Sanders supporters and not think his supporters are "in the bag" she needs to change her tune and quickly.
"Large segments of the electorate are radically unfit to think seriously about adult issues and make rational adult decisions."
The Clinton supporters mirror the pro-exit supporters in the U.K. They had the inability to see how this would affect the UK and the rest of the world. Hillary supporters need to understand the anger of the Sanders supporters and not think his supporters are "in the bag" she needs to change her tune and quickly.
That "large segment" you're talking about...they're called Democrats.
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The comparisons of the Brexit campaigns and the American Presidential campaigns is silliness and nonsense.
Brexit was about rejecting foreign values. The EU took diversity too far and too fast. Britain was/is not ready to be kissing cousins to the world in the same vein as Germany and France. The moneyed interests had their posteriors polished.
Our Presidential Election is about one thing only: the United States Supreme Court. The greatest of all issues is money in politics and the only way to change that is through the U. S. Supreme Court.
How would you like your Congressman and Senators to - if not vote your interests - be sensitive to your interests?
Jobs, jobs, jobs. NOT jobs off shore. Jobs at home.
Education for your kids and grandkids at least as good as the one you received back in the day when our public schools turned out young adults ready for college or the workforce.
Health care equivalent to that which citizens in France or Sweden or the UK receive as their birthright. Even Spain and Greece provide their citizens better health care than the US.
Forget about Brexit - It is an issue for the British and the Continent. It is not an election year issue for the United States. Pay attention to YOUR upcoming choices. Forget Donald Trump - he is nothing more than a snake oil salesman (Trump University - What a laugh).
Vote Democrat.
Brexit was about rejecting foreign values. The EU took diversity too far and too fast. Britain was/is not ready to be kissing cousins to the world in the same vein as Germany and France. The moneyed interests had their posteriors polished.
Our Presidential Election is about one thing only: the United States Supreme Court. The greatest of all issues is money in politics and the only way to change that is through the U. S. Supreme Court.
How would you like your Congressman and Senators to - if not vote your interests - be sensitive to your interests?
Jobs, jobs, jobs. NOT jobs off shore. Jobs at home.
Education for your kids and grandkids at least as good as the one you received back in the day when our public schools turned out young adults ready for college or the workforce.
Health care equivalent to that which citizens in France or Sweden or the UK receive as their birthright. Even Spain and Greece provide their citizens better health care than the US.
Forget about Brexit - It is an issue for the British and the Continent. It is not an election year issue for the United States. Pay attention to YOUR upcoming choices. Forget Donald Trump - he is nothing more than a snake oil salesman (Trump University - What a laugh).
Vote Democrat.
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If you cannot see the parallels to Brexit, and what is going on in this country, then there is a problem. The United States is not the only country with a population who feels their government, and the 1% greed, has had a negative affect on their lives. Canada last year rejected this direction. The UK last week,. And, Australia may next week. There is real anger out there and Ms. Clinton is seen as part of the problem, and not the solution.
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Vote Trump 2016
Voting Democrat has kept the poor people poor, and the "caring elite" powerful and rich. How has that worked out for the masses? Donald Trump has created jobs and buildings and golf courses. You think he's a snake oil salesman, yet you vote for Hiliary? Hahahahaha!
I am a big Clinton supporter and firmly believe a Trump presidency would be catastrophic. That being said, I worry that my fellow liberals are too dismissive of conservatives and too quick to label them "racist" "xenophobic" "bigots" etc. It is so easy to throw around these labels (and perhaps often deserved), but it is just perpetuating the anger and hostility coming from the right as they dig in even more against the "liberal elite." I think the only way to soundly defeat trump is to have a genuine dialogue about the issues that his supporters are so angry about - where we listen, discuss and avoid labeling people. Otherwise, I fear they will just get angrier and propel this egomaniac into office.
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Rather have Trump, than a Traitor.
Dana, I learned along time ago that if something was truly bad and ugly and, dare I suggest, dangerous, confront it! The arguments against the ugliness that trump so I eloquently represents doesn't need moderation in response.... It needs to be Confronted, with all due respect to sensitivity and sensibilities!
Throwing around all these insults show who the true haters are, as well. Your side feels completely justified in acting hateful to those they accuse of being haters, without having any clue about the irony in labeling an entire group of people in a certain way just because they don't like them. They have no idea that they are the true racists. They believe that if you happen to be black, you must think a certain way. They believe that if you are Hispanic, or a white male, you must think in a certain way. They think they are so smart, and anyone else who thinks a different way is uneducated. Yet, they mostly have done nothing in their lives to point to as actual accomplishments, and look their noses down at someone who has actually built a business, became successful, provided jobs, and has true life experiences to pull from. The exact opposite of Obama.
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I think more than anything it's about nationhood. Everybody is talking about how it's the end of Great Britain, they can't survive economically. Look at what they get out of the European Union. People have forgotten, the sun used to never set on the British empire. The British empire ruled the world. The idea that the British people are hopelessly lost now is another of these never-ending insults at people who want to be self-reliant.
I think it's natural as it can be that people would reject cronyism, which is what the European Union is, which is what the United States government has become. It has become cronyism, and it's exclusionary. It doesn't include everybody. The old order that the middle class used to trust and believe in is shot.
The old standard philosophies of work hard and try to live the best life you can and there will be a payoff at the end, fewer and fewer people trust it anymore because to them the game is being rigged and it's being rigged by the political and media elites and the people in power to benefit only them at the expense of everybody else. And the one issue that illustrates this better than any other is massive illegal immigration.
I think it's natural as it can be that people would reject cronyism, which is what the European Union is, which is what the United States government has become. It has become cronyism, and it's exclusionary. It doesn't include everybody. The old order that the middle class used to trust and believe in is shot.
The old standard philosophies of work hard and try to live the best life you can and there will be a payoff at the end, fewer and fewer people trust it anymore because to them the game is being rigged and it's being rigged by the political and media elites and the people in power to benefit only them at the expense of everybody else. And the one issue that illustrates this better than any other is massive illegal immigration.
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FDR saved capitalism from communism. And a son of a prominent family, he was from the millionaire class that somehow spoke to the millions of unemployed and downtrodden, helping correct the excesses of Gilded Age capitalism to save it from itself. Trump has certainly tapped into resentment of those who've lost their way to globalization, but he has no policy proposals. And Orlando shows what a national leader he would be. Voting for him would be a lot like the Brexit- an expression of anger, frustration, and resentment, but a choice that would ultimately be destructive and regressive. It is said in person, Hillary is a great communicator and listener- where does she truly stand on the issues raised here? Could she be as transformational as FDR?
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Answer, no. Unless transformational means she will undo the rest of the New Society and New Deal.
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Just because you have not actually read any of Trumps proposed policies does not mean that they don't exist. If you are truly an "open-minded" liberal, as your side likes to project, then you will read his policies with an open mind, and think in an objective fashion before you reject them. Would have been nice if your side had done the same with Obama's policies, instead of just accepting them because they come from someone who happens to have dark colored skin. (Complete racism, that the left can't see being guilty of) If you are really interested, check out Trump's policies. You might be very surprised to find what he wants to do to get corporations back to America, open up in depressed cities, and provide ongoing job training to inner city residents who otherwise seem to have no chance in getting ahead in life: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
I've talked to her. She's okay. Nothing about her is particularly impressive or says 'greatness' or transformational. She'll be a rightwing Democrat protecting the elite and the status quo, just like her husband did. And if she does that, she'll be a one term president.
I don't know where people get these ideas about her 'potential greatness' or comparing her to FDR. Or Eleanor. Almost everything we know about her says 'hack.'
I don't know where people get these ideas about her 'potential greatness' or comparing her to FDR. Or Eleanor. Almost everything we know about her says 'hack.'
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Brexit, Trump, and Sanders, all have tapped into the working/middle class electorate. If Mrs. Clinton doesn't at least pivot a little bit to address their issues she will lose in November. I think Trump and the GOP will be all over this issue at their Convention in Cleveland.
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All she ever does is pivot. Many of us do not believe anything she says. Look at what the DNC platform committee is doing regarding the TPP, tracking, and other issues. And even if they write planks supporting Social Security and minimum wage, the next invasion and protracted current wars will make social
programs expendable/impossible.
programs expendable/impossible.
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If anything, Brexit results indicate the rise of idiots around the world - clueless, disconnected/wrongly-connected, hooked to mindless non-stop entertainment, vicariously proud, non-contributors. These thoughtless idiots are up for grabs by any candy waving Pied Piper who would drag them to the sea. Recall, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." Stupid democracies do not work. These results are proof.
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Yes yes, "stupid democracies" don't work. Time for some good old-fashioned Stalinism, right? Something along the lines of one of the "people's republics" so successful during the 20th century? Snobbish disdain for ordinary voters has led to the very populism you disdain.
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We have a flawed, uncharismatic, unpopular Hilary against a vain, dangerous, and frankly, dont censor me, nasty man.
But we have the center being squeezed by the Fed, who puts the stockmarket ahead of mainstreet, the wallstreet/siliconvalley minority benefiting from free money, and outsourcing of jobs to China on the one hand, and the leftish vain, unrealistic open door to refugees on the other.
It is so bad it created the Brexit. And it will probably give us Trump. The world moves backwards.
Listen up Janet Yellen. You serve us not Wall ST.
But we have the center being squeezed by the Fed, who puts the stockmarket ahead of mainstreet, the wallstreet/siliconvalley minority benefiting from free money, and outsourcing of jobs to China on the one hand, and the leftish vain, unrealistic open door to refugees on the other.
It is so bad it created the Brexit. And it will probably give us Trump. The world moves backwards.
Listen up Janet Yellen. You serve us not Wall ST.
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This comparison is nonsense. Hillary got more votes than anyone. We do not live in Europe. Peer-to-peer are fed up with a congress that doesn't do anything to make lives better. Congress refuses to improve the infrastructure. Congress refuses to do anything about the murder epidemic in the U.S. . CONGRESS refuses to do comprehensive immigration reform. Specifically Republicans refuse to do any of these things. If people want change they need to change Congress.
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So what she got more votes in the primaries. Blaming the voters and Congress will not get Clinton elected. She painted herself into the "Status quo" corner. She runs her campaign and she is screwing up; plain and simple.
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She got more votes in the primaries - from neoliberals and from elderly church-going African Americans in the deep south. Nothing wrong with that but it's not near enough to put her in the White House, especially given that millennials despise her and white men can't stand her.
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Hillary won over Bernie in a tightly controlled primary environment in which millions of independents could not vote and few overall participated. The general election room is altogether a different ball of wax. Not looking good. As a Bernie supporter, I am biting my tongue to avoid saying the words "I told you so." Maybe a miracle will happen and the superdelegates will take their cue from the Times and nominate Bernie after all. One can always hope, as the alternative, Hillary likely means President Trump.
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What I think is missing from this analysis is that after Americans saw Leave prevail, they saw $2 trillion in value erased from the stock markets within 24 hours, the pound drop to a 30-year low, money pouring into gold and government bonds, and clear indications that London will no longer be the financial capital it was and that thousands of jobs will be lost. Brexit thus seems less an indication of where the American public may be headed than a warning to Americans thinking of taking similarly extreme action not to shoot themselves in the foot. Some may decline to heed this warning, but most American voters indicate again and again that the economy and jobs rank at the top of their list of priorities.
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Or maybe the belief by the left that Republicans are only concerned about money is a complete fallacy, and all those who are willing to give up some short-term prosperity in exchange for true freedom are mostly concerned about government overreach and the inevitable tyranny that accompanies such overreach. But, since people on your side already think they know how each group must think and feel, based on the color of their skin, there's little chance that these closed-minded people could see that money is not our number one concern. Freedom from government tyranny is.
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Do you suppose that one day the Royals will be replaced by a governing body? And has Queen Elizabeth said 'anything' about Brexit?
Most worrisome is our $18 trillion debt.
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Conservative pundits really, really, in fact desperately want to sell this message -- the idea that Brexit is somehow damaging the political clout of Clinton and enhances Trump's electability.
However, the American people ... and well as many of the Brits who are now regretting their pro-Brexit vote ... are not seeing it this way.
However, the American people ... and well as many of the Brits who are now regretting their pro-Brexit vote ... are not seeing it this way.
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"Several Democrats cautioned against drawing too many lessons from the Brexit vote, saying mass immigration and economic malaise were bigger problems in Britain and the European Union than in the United States. They also said many British voters were revolting against a bureaucracy in Brussels that they regarded as bloated, overpaid and prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign countries."
Sorry but I think they are delusional. Mass Immigration and Economic Malaise are bigger problems in Britain than in the US?? That's a joke to anyone who knows anything about both countries. In fact, I think its a far bigger issue in the US (on both counts)
Sorry but I think they are delusional. Mass Immigration and Economic Malaise are bigger problems in Britain than in the US?? That's a joke to anyone who knows anything about both countries. In fact, I think its a far bigger issue in the US (on both counts)
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BREXIT could have an important impact if the US election is held today. But that is not the case. By November, many will have witnessed in a first hand basis the negative impact of BREXIT on the UK economy, with Scotalnd and Ireland possibly declaring independence.
Moreover, European Union has always been driven by the belief that that a unified European marketplace would result in significant gains in efficiency and income growth. From a macro policy perspective, one cannot have monetary union while retaining separate government bodies and disparate fiscal policy.
Moreover, European Union has always been driven by the belief that that a unified European marketplace would result in significant gains in efficiency and income growth. From a macro policy perspective, one cannot have monetary union while retaining separate government bodies and disparate fiscal policy.
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Clinton should read her own billboards.
She has a very small window... between now and the end of July when the party meets in Philadelphia... to convince the 46% of left-leaning voters who supported Sanders that she deserves their vote.
She will not do this by ignoring the democratic wing of the Democratic party, pivoting right and counting on fear of Trump to win her the election.
She has a very small window... between now and the end of July when the party meets in Philadelphia... to convince the 46% of left-leaning voters who supported Sanders that she deserves their vote.
She will not do this by ignoring the democratic wing of the Democratic party, pivoting right and counting on fear of Trump to win her the election.
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Yes HRC is old, tired, weak, a very flawed candidate and she and Bill represent the face of Globalism and the Third Wave. There can be no doubt.
Yes, she and Bill made their own bed (pun intended) many years ago regardless of the amount of attack ads and the "right-wing conspiracy" against them. They are corrupt, the Foundation, the email server, the womanizing, the gender politics, the deep ties to the Banking Cast, it all adds up after a while.
Yes Bernie Sanders represents the last great liberal hope of populism and maintaining, possibly growing the quickly fading American Middle Class, that made not only western democracies flourish but provided the capital in the form of consumerism for a world macro-economic order.
No Hillary is not the answer, and Bernie can't win.
Donald Trump represents everything that is wrong with reactionary conservative ideology all bound up in a reality TV "star" who learned quite adeptly how to manipulate mass and social media into bite size pieces for the ignorant masses to digest.
No he can't win either.
And this is the choice we as the American Voter has to make? Two of the most hated candidates in the History of the Republic? And one the elites will not let win?
This democracy? This is a Republic? This is nothing more than a out of control oligarchy destined to implode.
I'd vote for Obama a third time in a heartbeat if only we could repeal the 22nd amendment in a heartbeat.
Would that work?
Yes, she and Bill made their own bed (pun intended) many years ago regardless of the amount of attack ads and the "right-wing conspiracy" against them. They are corrupt, the Foundation, the email server, the womanizing, the gender politics, the deep ties to the Banking Cast, it all adds up after a while.
Yes Bernie Sanders represents the last great liberal hope of populism and maintaining, possibly growing the quickly fading American Middle Class, that made not only western democracies flourish but provided the capital in the form of consumerism for a world macro-economic order.
No Hillary is not the answer, and Bernie can't win.
Donald Trump represents everything that is wrong with reactionary conservative ideology all bound up in a reality TV "star" who learned quite adeptly how to manipulate mass and social media into bite size pieces for the ignorant masses to digest.
No he can't win either.
And this is the choice we as the American Voter has to make? Two of the most hated candidates in the History of the Republic? And one the elites will not let win?
This democracy? This is a Republic? This is nothing more than a out of control oligarchy destined to implode.
I'd vote for Obama a third time in a heartbeat if only we could repeal the 22nd amendment in a heartbeat.
Would that work?
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Bernie could win if he got the nomination. Why do you want Obama? More years of drone attacks which begets more terrorism, more nukes, TPP--- we need to understand how that "trade" deal will wreck our environmental and worker-safety laws, labor laws. (More deportations, more questionable appointments to head federal agencies.....)
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"But beneath those generalities, there are crucial distinctions between the Brexit vote and the 2016 presidential election.
In the United States, there is no recent history of electing nationalist presidents hostile to immigration, and even recent Republican presidents have celebrated new arrivals as integral to American prosperity and identity.
American presidential elections are largely decided by a diverse and upscale electorate, anchored in America’s cities and suburbs. These communities more closely resemble London than Lincolnshire. Minorities made up more than a quarter of the electorate in the last presidential campaign.
And while Britain decided to leave the European Union through a popular vote, the White House race will be determined by the Electoral College, which is tilted toward the Democrats. Some large states with significant nonwhite populations have been out of reach for Republican candidates for much of the last three decades; California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Pennsylvania have voted for every Democratic nominee since 1992. Mr. Obama also won Florida twice, and Mrs. Clinton has a lead there now in part because Mr. Trump is unpopular with Hispanics."
I quote this from elsewhere in today's NYTimes. The Clinton article I'm commenting on is just a bogus attempt to get hits and comments on political articles - and what did they get? Bernie diehards who are still frothing at the mouth and the paid (I hope) Trumps shills.
In the United States, there is no recent history of electing nationalist presidents hostile to immigration, and even recent Republican presidents have celebrated new arrivals as integral to American prosperity and identity.
American presidential elections are largely decided by a diverse and upscale electorate, anchored in America’s cities and suburbs. These communities more closely resemble London than Lincolnshire. Minorities made up more than a quarter of the electorate in the last presidential campaign.
And while Britain decided to leave the European Union through a popular vote, the White House race will be determined by the Electoral College, which is tilted toward the Democrats. Some large states with significant nonwhite populations have been out of reach for Republican candidates for much of the last three decades; California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Pennsylvania have voted for every Democratic nominee since 1992. Mr. Obama also won Florida twice, and Mrs. Clinton has a lead there now in part because Mr. Trump is unpopular with Hispanics."
I quote this from elsewhere in today's NYTimes. The Clinton article I'm commenting on is just a bogus attempt to get hits and comments on political articles - and what did they get? Bernie diehards who are still frothing at the mouth and the paid (I hope) Trumps shills.
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"Her advisers said they were confident the referendum in Britain did not mirror the presidential election in the United States."
I'd say that Clinton better get some new advisers, and fast.
I'd say that Clinton better get some new advisers, and fast.
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British people are Not as motley as Americans and some see their country as a faded empire being diminished by the success of British subjects of color, immigrants, and Yankees or Americans --- on the other hand some Irish and Scottish people are less enthusiastic about the rise of the (malapropos) British empire --- leaving the EU isolates GB and will soon drive them to renew membership. Similarly, some Americans want to restore their power based upon nationality, race or a myth of white supremacy. Unlike Dr. Who the world is not influenced by a time lord living in a blue police box or a politician with a brain like of an alligator.
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The Brexit vote was not a smart one. It casts a shadow over the poor suckers who voted for it, not Hillary. Apparently a lot of older white folks are unhappy because their lives haven't turned out the way they thought they deserved, because, after all, they're white dammit and they have to blame somebody else for their unhappiness. This condition leaves them vulnerable to any snake oil salesman who comes along with false promises. One thing I've learned over my 7 decades plus on this earth is the most direct path to happiness is finding ways to help others. The fear mongering and me first sentiments that Brexit cheerleaders and Trump preach won't make anyone's life any better and it's sad to see so many getting manipulated by these deceptions.
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Assuming that "the old white people" think a certain way is as racist as voting for a person just because he happens to be black. And you accuse others of racism? Typical Liberal Hypocrisy, without having a clue about the irony in your racist thought-process.
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“Foreknowledge cannot be gotten from ghosts and spirits, cannot be had by analogy, cannot be found out by calculation. It must be obtained from people, people who know the conditions of the enemy.”
Make no mistake about it- Trump is the enemy within but the real treat are his followers, Clinton shall not underestimate what is now known as the antiestablishment syndrome which can turn uninformed people susceptible to xenophobia into Zombies. E.g., after Brexit Vote, U.K.’s Top Google search: “What Is The EU?”
U.K. Zombies won = World Economy lost. The Pound goes down as international markets crashed. It could happen to us if we let Trump Zombies take over U.S.
The best way to defeat Trump is to turn his own strategy against him by embracing the hopeful antiestablishment sentiment that Bernie can provide to counter Trump’s fear mongering one.
Hillary + Bernie 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make no mistake about it- Trump is the enemy within but the real treat are his followers, Clinton shall not underestimate what is now known as the antiestablishment syndrome which can turn uninformed people susceptible to xenophobia into Zombies. E.g., after Brexit Vote, U.K.’s Top Google search: “What Is The EU?”
U.K. Zombies won = World Economy lost. The Pound goes down as international markets crashed. It could happen to us if we let Trump Zombies take over U.S.
The best way to defeat Trump is to turn his own strategy against him by embracing the hopeful antiestablishment sentiment that Bernie can provide to counter Trump’s fear mongering one.
Hillary + Bernie 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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First, Sanders or Warren would be crazy to get on the ballot with Clinton. Second, anyone who becomes VP will be thrown in a closet and repressed by Bill and Hillary. Third, who ever she chooses will be seen as another one of her acts of pandering. Finally, she cannot change the direction of going more "liberal", as she put her self on the "status quo" course. Doing so, will make her look like even a bigger liar than people already see in her.
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"while many of Mr. Sanders’s supporters are expected to support her in November"
Don't count on it. I'll write in Bernie or vote for the Green candidate.
Don't count on it. I'll write in Bernie or vote for the Green candidate.
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That is over confidence by Ms. Clinton. People are "expected" to unite behind her. And that is her flaw. The last time I looked people can vote for anyone they choose.
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This article contains an egregious error. It says that Hillary Clinton supported NAFTA. No she didn't. She never did. I heard her say that she never supported NAFTA. She wouldn't lie, would she? Those videos of her saying otherwise must have been manufactured by the great Right Wing Conspiracy. She also was never against gay marriage. Again, I heard her say so, and the videos of her to the contrary are false, false I say. These are all damnable lies. Not my Hillary, she is as honest as the day is long. And, when she says she is against the TPP, I believe her, I really do.
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I hope you are being sarcastic, right?
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Well, the Republican trolls are out in force, I see!
All I can say is this: if Clinton's caution means Europe DOESN'T crack up, and the Dow DOESN'T drop 600+ points in a day - count me in on Team Hillary!!
She's not overly cautious. She's intelligently prudent. Sounds good to me.
All I can say is this: if Clinton's caution means Europe DOESN'T crack up, and the Dow DOESN'T drop 600+ points in a day - count me in on Team Hillary!!
She's not overly cautious. She's intelligently prudent. Sounds good to me.
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Name calling when things do not go right for Clinton. She made her own bed. You forget during the early days of the Obama presidency we saw some very nasty Dow Jones drops. By the way, I am an independent and not a troll for anyone. Finally, Ms. Clinton's platform of "status quo" is the root of her problem. making her look out of step with the electorate. That is not trolling; it is the truth.
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Hillary Clinton is a disaster for this country, precisely the kind of do-nothing incrementalist who at times of crisis hands power to demagogues like Donald Trump. I will of course vote for her rather than for Trump, but every time I contemplate that possibility I cringe because I fear that she will either lose the election to Trump or, after four Clinton years without real progress, the public will make another bad choice.
The establishment just doesn't understand that racist and sexist remarks, offensive as they are, are secondary issues to people who fear for their jobs and their incomes, and seems unable to understand that its dogma about the supposed benefits of free trade with low-wage countries and of unfettered immigration form third-world nations has failed.
The establishment just doesn't understand that racist and sexist remarks, offensive as they are, are secondary issues to people who fear for their jobs and their incomes, and seems unable to understand that its dogma about the supposed benefits of free trade with low-wage countries and of unfettered immigration form third-world nations has failed.
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"“If the Trump victory in the primary wasn’t enough of one, the Brexit vote serves as a major wake-up call indicating just how frustrated average voters are with those in power,” Mr. DuHaime said."
Of course, nearly half of the 33 million who voted in Britain voted to remain. Do they not count? The article and the hysteria in general speak as if the British vote was unanimous or nearly so. Yes, there is discontent; yes, some voters are yearning for change (for some, apparently any change will do as along as its different). That said, millions more either simply do not agree with them or see the need for change but are more practical about what is truly possible.
It may also just be that the chaos and upheaval which now follows the Brexit vote will rattle more of our voters into seeing the wisdom of electing a President who actually has some ideas, some policies, and some practical sense - or any sense at all.
Of course, nearly half of the 33 million who voted in Britain voted to remain. Do they not count? The article and the hysteria in general speak as if the British vote was unanimous or nearly so. Yes, there is discontent; yes, some voters are yearning for change (for some, apparently any change will do as along as its different). That said, millions more either simply do not agree with them or see the need for change but are more practical about what is truly possible.
It may also just be that the chaos and upheaval which now follows the Brexit vote will rattle more of our voters into seeing the wisdom of electing a President who actually has some ideas, some policies, and some practical sense - or any sense at all.
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Yes, that's exactly why I am voting for Trump. We've had enpough of political cronyism and corruption.
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Quite on the contrary. the Brexit aftermath may very well vindicates the pragmatists and centrists, whose positions are like those of Mrs Clinton's, that extremism has a price and protest votes have consequences. And voters mustn't take the coming November vote lightly.
The world just lost more than $2T - that's right, two trillion dollars - in one day. And guess what, people have already forecasted a recession for the UK, even before she is officially separated from EU. Let's that be the lesson of the isolationists.
The financial loss is not play money. When companies have less capital, they cut back even more. An expansion pie has something for everyone and a shrinking pie has less for a chosen few. Obviously people forgot 2008 when offices were emptied and large scale outsourced was legitimized. No, 2016 is still work in progress, not thank to Congress and the controlling GOP. President Obama and the Federal Reserve have been doing their best while the GOP played politics. And if you let Trump's lunacy and GOP's extremism take control, this Brexit reaction is just child play.
So Thomas Nides, quoted in the last paragraph of this column, is right. American voters shot themselves in the head back in 2000 and our British cousins didn't seem to learn the lesson, but will Americans forget the lesson too when they still bear the wounds and scars of the lunacy?
The world just lost more than $2T - that's right, two trillion dollars - in one day. And guess what, people have already forecasted a recession for the UK, even before she is officially separated from EU. Let's that be the lesson of the isolationists.
The financial loss is not play money. When companies have less capital, they cut back even more. An expansion pie has something for everyone and a shrinking pie has less for a chosen few. Obviously people forgot 2008 when offices were emptied and large scale outsourced was legitimized. No, 2016 is still work in progress, not thank to Congress and the controlling GOP. President Obama and the Federal Reserve have been doing their best while the GOP played politics. And if you let Trump's lunacy and GOP's extremism take control, this Brexit reaction is just child play.
So Thomas Nides, quoted in the last paragraph of this column, is right. American voters shot themselves in the head back in 2000 and our British cousins didn't seem to learn the lesson, but will Americans forget the lesson too when they still bear the wounds and scars of the lunacy?
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Incidentally, the Bexit leaders have already reneged on their promises - due to stark reality from their soon-to-be divorced partners - it is a lesson the independents in this country should glean. When people tell you there is a miracle snake oil cure, you are taking it at your own peril.
President George HW Bush said "no new taxes!" Of course you paid taxes.
President George W Bush proclaimed "compassionate conservation." Of course you take it from the chin when the energy lobbyists wrote the energy policies.
President Obama never promised you a rose garden but there has been continuous job gain even though he could have done even better had he had some help from Congress.
So here we are, you are supposed to choose from a narcissist who has profited handsomely from other people's bankruptcy and a realist who always tries to work to the center. Do you believe in Trump the snake oil profiteer or a former FLOTUS, Senator and Sec of State?
President George HW Bush said "no new taxes!" Of course you paid taxes.
President George W Bush proclaimed "compassionate conservation." Of course you take it from the chin when the energy lobbyists wrote the energy policies.
President Obama never promised you a rose garden but there has been continuous job gain even though he could have done even better had he had some help from Congress.
So here we are, you are supposed to choose from a narcissist who has profited handsomely from other people's bankruptcy and a realist who always tries to work to the center. Do you believe in Trump the snake oil profiteer or a former FLOTUS, Senator and Sec of State?
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At certain moments for certain people, money and its pursuit is abandoned when those same people realise that their betters will demand of them how they must spend it.
Thus begins the renewed pursuit of individual liberty.
Thus begins the renewed pursuit of individual liberty.
And exactly how much of that 2 trillion dollars was your's or mine? None of MA be a buck or two. It has no meaning any more. So much of the wealth has moved to the top that economic movement no longer affects the average person. Our life style is one way and one way only, down.
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The trolls for Trump have woken up early today, ready to trash Hillary and offering what in return? Trump and after me le deluge. Brexit has put wind in their sails and are ready to stir the ship to the rocks in order to reject all that has been learned in the 2nd half of the 20th century and forget what happened during the first half. What they ignore is that the youth of England overwhelmingly supported staying in, they do not want an insular future. What is telling about the trolls is the tired refrain of a corrupt Hillary. an accusation that has little foundation but much resonance after endless repetition. When it comes to corruption, malevolence and sheer hypocrisy it is had to find someone to top Trump. England will survive Brexit, not clear Great Britain will. The US will also survive Trump but hopefully we will have to put up with him only until November. Even Truimpkins will be horrified by the chaos that will be unleashed if their wishes to see Trump in the White House are fulfilled.
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Clinton is on the wrong side of this. Her campaign of staying the course and status quo is at issue here. It also shows she is out of touch with the electorate. Brexit is a pulse of voter anger, the same voter anger that exists here. The same voter anger that got people to vote fro Sanders and Trump. And the same voter anger dismissed by Clinton. I am not Trump supporter by any means, but Ms. Clinton took the wrong time, in history, to say she is the candidate that will stay the course.
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This is the year of insurgents Election 2016 --- The winner will be Trump or Sanders, and if Hillary Clinton is shoved onto the Democratic ticket, it will also be the year of a third-party and possibly a fourth party. The Libertarians have elected a former two-term Republican governor from New Mexico and a former two-term Republican governor from Massachusetts as their nominees. The Democratic Primary is in July in Philly. The Green Party convention is on Aug. 7th one week later. When Hillary announced that she had enough delegates now, with the paid lobbyists etc. to defeat Sanders the Green Party doubled its membership. Many Sanders state groups on Facebook with tens of thousands of members have renamed to "Bernie or Green2016" I think this will be a very good move for the USA because the Democratic Platform Committee --- heavy laiden with these Corporate Democrats just defeated every progressive agenda issue... basically saying we won. They will lose. They said NO to blocking the TPP agreement, NO to a ban on Fracking - NO to a $15 minimum wage on the platform. In other words, they are not Democrats. they are Republican Lite.
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If I truly believed that Hillary would "stay the course", I'd probably hold my nose and pull the lever for her. But, remember...she ran to the right of Pres. Obama in 2008. What would make anybody believe that - now eight years older - she's going to suddenly embrace his principles and ideals? Hillary will NOT "stay the course"...she will make a fairly-sharp turn to the right (no matter what she might have claimed in order to squash Bernie's bid). And that turn to the right will include more "free trade" and less concern for the working-class of America.
I am - by no means - a Trump supporter. I'm just not sure that he would make any worse a president than Hillary. And that's pretty sad.
I am - by no means - a Trump supporter. I'm just not sure that he would make any worse a president than Hillary. And that's pretty sad.
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"She offers reasonableness instead of resentment, urging voters to see the big picture and promising to manage economic and immigration upheaval, just as Mr. Cameron did. She, too, is a pragmatic internationalist battling against nationalist anger"?!?!?!?
Who would even think this let alone write it down and publish it in the NY Times? Oh, yeah, Madam Secretary Reset, the woman who turned the Arab Spring into the Arab Nightmare who joked about killing Gaddafi, remember this soulless ghoulish display right before her ill-considered Libyan fiasco fell apart and got our guys killed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y
Who would even think this let alone write it down and publish it in the NY Times? Oh, yeah, Madam Secretary Reset, the woman who turned the Arab Spring into the Arab Nightmare who joked about killing Gaddafi, remember this soulless ghoulish display right before her ill-considered Libyan fiasco fell apart and got our guys killed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y
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You seem to forget, or deny what created the Middle East fiasco in the first place, a reckless, useless invasion by Bush, of two countries.
The only people to blame for the Arab Spring's shortcomings are, well, um, the Arab people's living in this region. Egypt tried to give the Muslim Brotherhood their own head in electing it's leader. Bad idea. Fortunately or not the Egyptian Military was at the ready to force the Brotherhood out of power. In Tunisia, where the seeds of the 'spring was really born, there has been improvement on the scale everyone had hoped would take root. In Lybia not so much. And the intervention of the Western Air Forces stop a human disaster that Ghaddafi was orchestrating in Bengazi. Namely the death's of an entire, very large population center. Collectively an Allied Air Force literally turned away an entire division of troops that had been given the orders to kill over a hundred thousand civilians. I can't think of an intervention that was so effective with virtually no one on the allied side suffered neary a scratch. The 9-11 followup deaths were the result of bad Intel and in poor choice of venue. Others will always believe who and what they want, but that doesn't bring any one back, nor can any reasonable culprit(s) be blamed from Sec. Clinton's chair. Get over it, move on.
"You seem to forget, or deny what created the Middle East fiasco in the first place, a reckless, useless invasion by Bush, of two countries."
Which Hillary voted for. Just sayin'.
Which Hillary voted for. Just sayin'.
Unlike Great Britain, the United States is a country built on the strength of immigrants. President Obama has never lost sight of that and Hillary Clinton must not either. The Brexit vote was unfortunate, but it does not require Mrs. Clinton to recalibrate her campaign. She should continue to appeal to the nation's best instincts, and leave Donald Trump to pander to its worst.
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This country was built on immigrants who came here with nothing. The only thing they expected was an opportunity to build a great life for themselves. Todays immigrants seem to be coming here with the thought that they will be taken care of once they get here. That does not lend itself to building a country on the strength of immigrants. Obumma is telling the immigrants to come here, but not telling them they will expected to work hard and take advantage of the opportunities afforded to those who come here legally. Yuuuge difference between the immigrants of yesterday and today.
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"Many of us warned here that the Dems need to spread Bernie's conviction message if they are to win. That still applies with Hillary as the messenger."
Problem is...nobody believes it when it comes out of Hillary's mouth. Hillary is a known quantity. She stood by as her husband signed NAFTA. She stood by as her husband normalized trade relations with China. She proudly served on the Walmart board. She helped hand George W. Bush the keys to the war machine in Iraq. She enriched herself by selling to Wall Street access to the Clinton "dynasty".
Bernie's supporters are energized not because they're young or white or whatever other excuse the Democratic establishment wants to try to use. They're energetic because they actually LIKE their candidate. And they believe that he truly cares about something other than becoming president.
Problem is...nobody believes it when it comes out of Hillary's mouth. Hillary is a known quantity. She stood by as her husband signed NAFTA. She stood by as her husband normalized trade relations with China. She proudly served on the Walmart board. She helped hand George W. Bush the keys to the war machine in Iraq. She enriched herself by selling to Wall Street access to the Clinton "dynasty".
Bernie's supporters are energized not because they're young or white or whatever other excuse the Democratic establishment wants to try to use. They're energetic because they actually LIKE their candidate. And they believe that he truly cares about something other than becoming president.
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What the Times and the Clinton campaign continue to misunderstand is that faced with an insecure future that anger IS reasonable. To keep decrying people demanding a change as somehow losing there mind comes across only as "We're not listening to you". Moreover it's not much above the level of Trumpian insults.
It's time for our institutions to address the needs of the people and not dictate to them.
It's time for our institutions to address the needs of the people and not dictate to them.
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Hillary have been campaigning for more than 25 years and most of America still sees her as a reptilian opportunist.
New ideas? Where are they? A new direction? Everything is now is so perfect why change folks!!!! Availability to the press? Hillary Who?
Let's not even discuss her history of pathological lying, her emails (why YES, they ARE a big deal since she's been hacked and the emails she "can't find" are likely in the hands of the Russians, Chinese and God knows who all else ready to be whipped out for blackmail purposes), her accomplishments of which even her own staff cannot name any, and enabling of Bill Clinton's harassment of women.
Granted, her opponent is a an outspoken bombastic flame thrower. Unlike Hillary, he does several interviews a day, speaks extemporaneously, is ALWAYS available to the press, and does not give the impression that his priority is to apologize for whatever strengths America has left.
Does the average person wish they could put a muzzle on Trump sometimes? Yep. Does he give a damn about America, unlike Hillary? Yep.
Which candidate does the average person believe is most independent of special interest groups, Wall Street, lobbyists, Establishment politics, and all the back room deals in DC?
Folks, I ain't sayin' Trump is the prettiest peacock in the hen house, but he does care for this country, unlike Hillary whose every decision will be calibrated to how much it might enrich her personal wealth.
New ideas? Where are they? A new direction? Everything is now is so perfect why change folks!!!! Availability to the press? Hillary Who?
Let's not even discuss her history of pathological lying, her emails (why YES, they ARE a big deal since she's been hacked and the emails she "can't find" are likely in the hands of the Russians, Chinese and God knows who all else ready to be whipped out for blackmail purposes), her accomplishments of which even her own staff cannot name any, and enabling of Bill Clinton's harassment of women.
Granted, her opponent is a an outspoken bombastic flame thrower. Unlike Hillary, he does several interviews a day, speaks extemporaneously, is ALWAYS available to the press, and does not give the impression that his priority is to apologize for whatever strengths America has left.
Does the average person wish they could put a muzzle on Trump sometimes? Yep. Does he give a damn about America, unlike Hillary? Yep.
Which candidate does the average person believe is most independent of special interest groups, Wall Street, lobbyists, Establishment politics, and all the back room deals in DC?
Folks, I ain't sayin' Trump is the prettiest peacock in the hen house, but he does care for this country, unlike Hillary whose every decision will be calibrated to how much it might enrich her personal wealth.
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I'm sure many could re-write this comment and just swap the names ... how can you observe Trump over the years and every day during the campaign and conclude that he "does care for his country" rather than enriching his personal wealth?
We, like the British, suffer from increasingly caustic sense that if you are not extreme - in one direction or the other - there's nothing that can be done. Yelling, lying and blathering from the extremes will not solve any serious problems in our country or the world. This should not be a reality TV show, much as some voters, candidates and the media seem to use that role model.
We, like the British, suffer from increasingly caustic sense that if you are not extreme - in one direction or the other - there's nothing that can be done. Yelling, lying and blathering from the extremes will not solve any serious problems in our country or the world. This should not be a reality TV show, much as some voters, candidates and the media seem to use that role model.
Anyone who backs Trump, peacock or not, is saying " I am a a racist bigot who is voting for someone completely unqualified to be President Commander-in-Chief".
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Color me puzzled about which candidate is thinking about enriching personal wealth. Did you not hear Donald Trump crowing that, if the pound falls, more people will visit his golf courses in Scotland? Did you not see him pushing the products that bear his brand during the primaries? Do you not read about how he charges campaign expenses back to benefit his businesses?
What makes anyone think he cares for this country?
Donald Trump is a special interest.
What makes anyone think he cares for this country?
Donald Trump is a special interest.
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Talk about whistling in the dark.
A primary reason that voters supported Brexit was immigration. Brits were upset about the recent five hundred thousand Polish immigrants to UK.
Now Hillary is talking about appointing someone to the Supreme Court who will make citizens of 4 MILLION parents of children born here, after they crashed the borders. These mostly older parents can’t wait to become citizens. Then they will get SS and collect disability after working at menial jobs on top of all the benefits provided their children, from medical delivery at birth to completion of their children’s free education.
Even if I supported the legalization I would be opposed to having SCOTUS support Obama in making the decision. It should be put to a vote.
Therefore, knowing that Hillary would support legalization of 10’s of millions of illegal immigrants is a double whammy.
Regarding the fact that 75% of Britons under the age of 24 voted to stay, and 56% of those 25 to 49. suggests the power teachers and their unions hold over young minds. More illiterates, more upheaval means higher taxes but greater pay for teachers.
Teachers with all the civil service benefits in the world, telling kids who don’t know better their parents are ignorant and bigoted. Yet, when teachers don’t get their automatic cost of living adjustments they are ready to go on strike. For those in the private sector that’s a pay raise based on the cost of living.
A primary reason that voters supported Brexit was immigration. Brits were upset about the recent five hundred thousand Polish immigrants to UK.
Now Hillary is talking about appointing someone to the Supreme Court who will make citizens of 4 MILLION parents of children born here, after they crashed the borders. These mostly older parents can’t wait to become citizens. Then they will get SS and collect disability after working at menial jobs on top of all the benefits provided their children, from medical delivery at birth to completion of their children’s free education.
Even if I supported the legalization I would be opposed to having SCOTUS support Obama in making the decision. It should be put to a vote.
Therefore, knowing that Hillary would support legalization of 10’s of millions of illegal immigrants is a double whammy.
Regarding the fact that 75% of Britons under the age of 24 voted to stay, and 56% of those 25 to 49. suggests the power teachers and their unions hold over young minds. More illiterates, more upheaval means higher taxes but greater pay for teachers.
Teachers with all the civil service benefits in the world, telling kids who don’t know better their parents are ignorant and bigoted. Yet, when teachers don’t get their automatic cost of living adjustments they are ready to go on strike. For those in the private sector that’s a pay raise based on the cost of living.
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"Clinton understands we always need to change — but change that doesn’t cause unintended consequences for the average American.” What an example of muddled thinking!
UNINTENDED consequences are just that: they are not intended; if they were not unintended, they are intended consequences. As Mr. Nides was a senior State Department official under Mrs. Clinton, he must conclude, for example, that the intervention in Libya by the US only produced intended consequences because Mrs. Clinton is opposed to changes that produce the unintended ones.
UNINTENDED consequences are just that: they are not intended; if they were not unintended, they are intended consequences. As Mr. Nides was a senior State Department official under Mrs. Clinton, he must conclude, for example, that the intervention in Libya by the US only produced intended consequences because Mrs. Clinton is opposed to changes that produce the unintended ones.
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The only thing that Brexit proved, is that when people foolishly listen to "anti-establishment" and" hate" rhetoric, they are following people who don't remember the past but want to push an agenda for themselves.
After two HORRIFIC world wars, the EU was formed as a united states of europe and it proved to be a sound, safe platform all these years.
Look at the turmoil being caused all over the world by this choice that was 52% to 48%. Now they want a second vote because they are sorry listened to the hate message. Many didn't think they had to vote. Scotland voted 2 to 1 to stay in the EU and now may leave the UK.
We cannot let the same Brexit message not be challenged here. All we have to do is see what is happening to the Brits. History is wasted on those who do not remember it.
If any Americans are stupid enough to not see the horror happening in England and the world--then there may be amexit as states leave the United States.
After two HORRIFIC world wars, the EU was formed as a united states of europe and it proved to be a sound, safe platform all these years.
Look at the turmoil being caused all over the world by this choice that was 52% to 48%. Now they want a second vote because they are sorry listened to the hate message. Many didn't think they had to vote. Scotland voted 2 to 1 to stay in the EU and now may leave the UK.
We cannot let the same Brexit message not be challenged here. All we have to do is see what is happening to the Brits. History is wasted on those who do not remember it.
If any Americans are stupid enough to not see the horror happening in England and the world--then there may be amexit as states leave the United States.
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Do you actually know how the EU works? Would you, as an American, want to take orders from a super-bureaucracy that can override your national laws, dictate what kind of appliances you can buy, have no border controls and expect you (as citizen of a rich nation) to be liable for the mismanagement and debts of fiscally irresponsible countries? In addition, it costs billions in salaries for feckless bureaucrats who have created the mess Europe is in now and seem to have no intention of learning from their mistakes? I always find it funny that Americans, who are so enamoured of their independence and generally hate "big government", are in favour of this kind of supra-national system.
Gee, I'm flying to the US this summer; can I just walk in without showing my passport?
Gee, I'm flying to the US this summer; can I just walk in without showing my passport?
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"If any Americans are stupid enough to not see the horror happening in England and the world--then there may be amexit as states leave the United States."
States have tried to leave before, remember. They had to be kept in by force of arms. At least Britain doesn't have to fear a war against them mounted by the EU.
Horror? No, just a lot of foolish people panicking, especially those fools on Wall Street.
Get the Parliamentary vote to leave out of the way so the progress can begin and things will normalize. People need to remember that war time slogan, "Keep Calm And Carry On".
States have tried to leave before, remember. They had to be kept in by force of arms. At least Britain doesn't have to fear a war against them mounted by the EU.
Horror? No, just a lot of foolish people panicking, especially those fools on Wall Street.
Get the Parliamentary vote to leave out of the way so the progress can begin and things will normalize. People need to remember that war time slogan, "Keep Calm And Carry On".
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This is why Clinton needs to tack left. She does not need a centrist like Kaine as a VP, and she does not need the endorsements of establishment Republicans like Paulson or George Will. She needs a progressive VP to show her populist bona fides, and she needs to address the needs of working people in this country, often and loudly.
See Glenn Greenwald on the role of institutional elites in causing Brexit.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/brexit-is-only-the-latest-proof-of-t...
See Glenn Greenwald on the role of institutional elites in causing Brexit.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/brexit-is-only-the-latest-proof-of-t...
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She can't. Doing so will make her look more artificial, and a liar. She created her own "Catch-22".
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Clinton can't address the needs of the working people while, at the same time, not addressing their concerns about illegal immigration. Because of her strength among Latinos, she doesn't want to touch the issue. That is her conundrum. The worries and concerns about illegal immigration may not always be grounded in fact, but they do exist. Clinton could at least say that she supports "legal" immigration. THAT would go a long way in assuaging peoples' fears.
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One point here concerning polling. I note that in polls just before the vote, "stay" led "leave"by about two points. Yet, in the end, "leave" beat "stay" by around five points.
When the media is pounding a political person or position incessantly, I believe that supporters of that person or position are reluctant to pollsters of their true preference. But in the privacy of the polling booth, they get to vote their preference.
It would not surprise me if the same factors are at work in the Clinton - Trump opinion polls, and that Trump is very competitive, if not ahead. Especially in the important swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.
I don't know how many cosmopolitan Times readers have actually gotten out of airplanes, off the interstate highways, and into the interior of places like formerly industrial Pennsylvania. There are towns there where their prime industry has closed, the population has shrunk, and the economy primarily runs on Social Security and other entitlement payments. These places have little to lose.
When the media is pounding a political person or position incessantly, I believe that supporters of that person or position are reluctant to pollsters of their true preference. But in the privacy of the polling booth, they get to vote their preference.
It would not surprise me if the same factors are at work in the Clinton - Trump opinion polls, and that Trump is very competitive, if not ahead. Especially in the important swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.
I don't know how many cosmopolitan Times readers have actually gotten out of airplanes, off the interstate highways, and into the interior of places like formerly industrial Pennsylvania. There are towns there where their prime industry has closed, the population has shrunk, and the economy primarily runs on Social Security and other entitlement payments. These places have little to lose.
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Leave won by 2.5 points, and lost badly in the youth vote. Trump is losing by double digits in some national polls, and by 3-6 percent in swing state polls.
Like all elections, this one will be determined by turnout. If the Dem base and independents show up, Clinton wins by 3-4 points. If the discontented and sensible Republicans turn out to vote for Hillary, she wins by 8-10 points.
Like all elections, this one will be determined by turnout. If the Dem base and independents show up, Clinton wins by 3-4 points. If the discontented and sensible Republicans turn out to vote for Hillary, she wins by 8-10 points.
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Just met a woman who was starting her third double shift.
“I don’t think the average American who has a retirement account right now is thrilled about Donald Trump’s support of Brexit,” said Thomas R. Nides, who was a deputy secretary of state under Mrs. Clinton.
The problem, Mr. Nides, is that that average American doesn't have a retirement account.
The problem, Mr. Nides, is that that average American doesn't have a retirement account.
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I think seniors who see how TPP, TTIP, and TISA will legally destroy freedom of speech and a countries sovereignty are cheering the UK's choice. Unlike the US, they still have a democracy. We have government Monsanto and Goldman Sachs.. They want to share their joy with the rest of the world..
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And, if they DO have a pension, they don't realize that their pension's investments are made up of stocks and bonds (unless they're lucky or smart enough to have a Federal pension). This seems to be true for a lot of progressive academics and non-Federal employees who raile against Wall St., not realizing that the health of the "the markets" have everything to do with THEIR pensions.
Mr Nides believes that Americans only care about the almighty dollar. Conservatives are willing to sacrifice their hard-earned money for the good of their country. Liberals are willing to spend other people's money to promote their agenda, without any sacrifice on their own parts.
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Clinton is in a tough spot; voters are surely not going to accept an angry woman firebrand like they would a Trump or less so a Bernie Sanders who speaks with passion. No, Clinton does not have the political skills to fire up the base or project the image of an Iron Lady, even though she is eminently qualified to lead the country. She's going to really have to step it up and accept that she has to forcefully support true progressive causes, or else November could very well become our Brexit
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I am leaving the democratic party. Their support of the TPP, TTIP, and TISA are giving power to the worst of the worst of US corporations. Trump is against these global power grabs.I am Bernie or bust, but I am willing to vote for Trump to take Clinton out. What makes the most angty about this article, is that Clinton won NOTHING. She was given the nomination through massive voter fraud and suppresion. The UK is still a democracy. This election the DNC and Clinton showed us that ours is destroyed.
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"even though she is eminently qualified to lead the country"
Ok, please name just ONE thing, let alone 2 or 3 that qualify her to lead this country. Accomplishments not titles. We'll all eagerly await your response. And feel free to jump in here NYTimes lovers. This should be good.
Ok, please name just ONE thing, let alone 2 or 3 that qualify her to lead this country. Accomplishments not titles. We'll all eagerly await your response. And feel free to jump in here NYTimes lovers. This should be good.
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Qualified? For what? If you are satisfied with the status quo, black hole plutocracy we are falling into, well yeah. She can help blunt some if the worst pain of the fall, and she can help us beg for scraps from the masters' table. But if you want to change that status quo, she is not qualified in the slightest, and no amount of gender identity politics can change that hard fact.
I was listening to the Kinks album 'Village Green Preservation Society' today, and I was thinking how Brexit seemed to signify a nostalgia for the traditional British way of life. I did not see it as a "revolt", but rather an attempt at preservation.
I don't think that one can so easily draw a parallel between Brexit and the coming US presidential election.
In my opinion, the Leave vote was motivated less by anger, than by a yearning to push the pause button on a rapidly changing way of life due to technology, etc. and to try and hold on to the identity and beauty that is uniquely British.
I don't think that one can so easily draw a parallel between Brexit and the coming US presidential election.
In my opinion, the Leave vote was motivated less by anger, than by a yearning to push the pause button on a rapidly changing way of life due to technology, etc. and to try and hold on to the identity and beauty that is uniquely British.
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Populist revolt? Hardly. An easily led ,uninformed electorate susceptible to demagogues who appeal to the baser instincts of the masses with promises of a better life which somehow never materializes. Are most aware that this is an non-binding referendum which has several hurdles to jump before enactment? Nigel Farage said in May there should be a do over in the case of a close vote (52-48). ( He's the fellow who broke the news that the 350 million pound contribution to the National Health System was a lie).
Oh, the Scotland Act of 1998 may give Scotland veto power over Brexit-- but that is still to be determined. Well see.
Oh, the Scotland Act of 1998 may give Scotland veto power over Brexit-- but that is still to be determined. Well see.
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I'm happy for the UK, that they ripped Monsanto's , Goldman Sach's , big pharma, big oils, poison talons from their country, god bless them. TPP, TTIP, and TISA are the cartoonish evil we saw as kids. The UK put the first cog in their world ruling plans. End consumerism, your phone is just fine. Attend your local farmers market. Buy a little car and little house. You vote for the world you want with how you spend your money..
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Not binding? Mr. Cameron seemed to be under the impression that the vote was binding.
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I found it interesting that, when Trump accused her of conflicts of interest regarding her role as Secretary and foreign national contributions to the Clinton Foundation, she did not address that issue at all. Instead, she chose to discuss the good works of the Foundation.
I would like to point out to Mrs. Clinton that, at the height of his illegal power, Chicago mobster Al Capone ran the biggest soup kitchen feeding starving unemployed in the city of Chicago, and one Thanksgiving, fed over 5000. When he was criticized for his "activities", Capone would often point to his good deeds in helping needy people caught up in the Great Depression.
I would like to point out to Mrs. Clinton that, at the height of his illegal power, Chicago mobster Al Capone ran the biggest soup kitchen feeding starving unemployed in the city of Chicago, and one Thanksgiving, fed over 5000. When he was criticized for his "activities", Capone would often point to his good deeds in helping needy people caught up in the Great Depression.
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Hillary's greatest "strength" is in how she responds when she's caught red-handed. (Bill's too be he was less successful.) Americans seem to like her brand of stonewalling and refusing to cooperate. They applaud her when she behaves this way.
Of course, they are enablers, complicit in her unethical schemes, but if she sticks it to the republicans, that makes it alright.
Of course, they are enablers, complicit in her unethical schemes, but if she sticks it to the republicans, that makes it alright.
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I think this country could very well find itself with a President Trump alongside his more conservative counterparts in England and maybe France and other European nations come next year.
Revolution is always a leap into the unknown and BREXIT may very well have been that first leap.
We'll see.
Revolution is always a leap into the unknown and BREXIT may very well have been that first leap.
We'll see.
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The unknown is sometimes the best path to a solution, when other solutions have failed.
#Trump2016
#Trump2016
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FREE SOCIOLOGY LESSON FOR TODAY
I have been wondering for quite some time about how a 48/52 election is now seen as a landslide.
I am sure somebody else has explained this before, but I've listened for it, and never found it, and still can't
IN THE OLD DAYS: 48/52 was seen as a 'close' vote and it took something like 60/40 to be considered to be an actual "Landslide"
Nowdaze, we always hear repeatedly that as we go further: "the polls will 'close'", and I've always been curious as to what would be the underlying mechanism that would make this an expected outcome
* I believe it goes like this
1) In the past we didn't have as many polls as we do now, and people didn't pay much attention to them, which is why they didn't "close" towards election day, as they do now
2) Think of the election as a YES/NO selection:
If the "YES" side starts getting too big a lead over the "NO" side,
then many of the Yes-Supporters, drop out of the game because they believe it is already won, and their participation isn't necessary to achieve the outcome they want {this brings the YES-Voters lower, towards 50/50}
3) At the same time, if the Yes-Side starts to get a big lead, then more NO-Side supporters become involved to 'save the day' {and this brings the No-Voters UP, back towards 50/50}
= = =
REALITY-CHECK: This obviously isn't going to work in situations where the support really is lopsided, like 66/33;
. . or in rigged systems, ie. winner-take-all elections in Gerrymandered districts
I have been wondering for quite some time about how a 48/52 election is now seen as a landslide.
I am sure somebody else has explained this before, but I've listened for it, and never found it, and still can't
IN THE OLD DAYS: 48/52 was seen as a 'close' vote and it took something like 60/40 to be considered to be an actual "Landslide"
Nowdaze, we always hear repeatedly that as we go further: "the polls will 'close'", and I've always been curious as to what would be the underlying mechanism that would make this an expected outcome
* I believe it goes like this
1) In the past we didn't have as many polls as we do now, and people didn't pay much attention to them, which is why they didn't "close" towards election day, as they do now
2) Think of the election as a YES/NO selection:
If the "YES" side starts getting too big a lead over the "NO" side,
then many of the Yes-Supporters, drop out of the game because they believe it is already won, and their participation isn't necessary to achieve the outcome they want {this brings the YES-Voters lower, towards 50/50}
3) At the same time, if the Yes-Side starts to get a big lead, then more NO-Side supporters become involved to 'save the day' {and this brings the No-Voters UP, back towards 50/50}
= = =
REALITY-CHECK: This obviously isn't going to work in situations where the support really is lopsided, like 66/33;
. . or in rigged systems, ie. winner-take-all elections in Gerrymandered districts
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democracy is majority rule
majority is 50 % + 1 person
you can make up other systems, but theyre not democracy
majority is 50 % + 1 person
you can make up other systems, but theyre not democracy
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well, let "Brexit" sink in a few months, and Hillary will be able to point to the anguished English cries and gnashing British teeth as testimony to the consequences of a protest vote.
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Wow. Interesting set of comments. Looks like the NY Times is no longer a "liberal rag" since the majority of readership seems to be informed by Rush Limbaugh.
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You may not believe this, but 10% of what Limbaugh says is probably on the mark. Hillary has him by 3-fold, probably..... bringing her up to 30%.
this is a thinly veiled anti-Clinton opinion piece, falsely presented as a news story. it belongs on the opinion page, which is not where it is. shame on the new york times for another anti-clinton "news" article that isn't a news story. the respected shorenstein center of the kennedy school reported that eight major news outlets including the times gave clinton 84% negative coverage on the issues last year. it's nice to see that the times is being consistent in its negative coverage.
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Yes, indeed! Hillary Clinton is out of touch with the "average" American!
Identity politics of the first woman President as in "I'm with HER" won't fix the "average" American's bank account nor give them back a good living wage of a middle-class life.
As she said, "I'm not a real politician!" like my Bill while pushing her warmed-over Kumbaya liberalism, scaring us with her "Trumpzilla is coming! Run!" and Brexit cautionary tale, and making her carefully worded, wink-wink, walk-backable "No TPP!" type vows.
We know that she is a hawkish, pro-Wall Street multi-millionaire dynastic politician and that Trump is a multi-millionaire, demagogic, media savvy politician: both from the same socio-economic class.
How to distract and disarm us from globalized capitalism devolving into open class war?
She's not noticing that multi-million voters "average" American in the room!
Identity politics of the first woman President as in "I'm with HER" won't fix the "average" American's bank account nor give them back a good living wage of a middle-class life.
As she said, "I'm not a real politician!" like my Bill while pushing her warmed-over Kumbaya liberalism, scaring us with her "Trumpzilla is coming! Run!" and Brexit cautionary tale, and making her carefully worded, wink-wink, walk-backable "No TPP!" type vows.
We know that she is a hawkish, pro-Wall Street multi-millionaire dynastic politician and that Trump is a multi-millionaire, demagogic, media savvy politician: both from the same socio-economic class.
How to distract and disarm us from globalized capitalism devolving into open class war?
She's not noticing that multi-million voters "average" American in the room!
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Devastating......
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So, go find a better candidate and run him or her up the flagpole.
They are NOT from the same socioeconomic. He inherited lots of money. I don't see a "CLINTON" hellcopter or Seven something Seven flying around.
They are NOT from the same socioeconomic. He inherited lots of money. I don't see a "CLINTON" hellcopter or Seven something Seven flying around.
Senator Bernie Sanders is the best progressive candidate.
Go ahead and Google "Clinton private jet" and you'll learn how the Clintons have spent many millions of dollars of The Clinton Foundation's and the US Government's money to fly in rented private jets and also in donated private jet flights from multi-millionaire supporters. The Clintons are just as much a member of the 1-percenter elite as Trump is.
Go ahead and Google "Clinton private jet" and you'll learn how the Clintons have spent many millions of dollars of The Clinton Foundation's and the US Government's money to fly in rented private jets and also in donated private jet flights from multi-millionaire supporters. The Clintons are just as much a member of the 1-percenter elite as Trump is.
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The people who analogize the BREXIT vote in the UK to the US miss a simple set of facts.
Look at the UK map and see where the Leave vote (analogous to voting for Trump) occurred, and where the Remain vote (analogous to voting for HRC) occurred.
The Leave vote was principally in the areas that are older populations, blue collar and rust belt. Compare that to the US RED states.
The Remain vote occurred in areas with younger population, higher education, and businesses using modern methods. Those correspond in the US to the BlUE states.
If HRC carries the BlUE states that Democrats have won for the last 20 years, she starts with 240 Electoral College votes of the 270 needed.
Add a couple of states that are toss-ups and she wins.
For example, in California, which Trump says he will put in play, in the primary on June 7, the two senatorial candidates that got the most votes (and will run in the general election) are Democrat Kamala Harris, a black woman, and Democrat Loretta Sanchez, a Hispanic woman. No Republican made the ballot for the Senatorial race. That means the each of the Democrats will be working hard to turn out as many voters as possible. If those people go to vote, the likelihood is that they also vote for HRC for President.
Trump is apparently blowing smoke about California. He has LESS chance of winning California than the proverbial snowball. He also claims he will win NY. Gimme a break. Little Donnie is delusional.
Look at the UK map and see where the Leave vote (analogous to voting for Trump) occurred, and where the Remain vote (analogous to voting for HRC) occurred.
The Leave vote was principally in the areas that are older populations, blue collar and rust belt. Compare that to the US RED states.
The Remain vote occurred in areas with younger population, higher education, and businesses using modern methods. Those correspond in the US to the BlUE states.
If HRC carries the BlUE states that Democrats have won for the last 20 years, she starts with 240 Electoral College votes of the 270 needed.
Add a couple of states that are toss-ups and she wins.
For example, in California, which Trump says he will put in play, in the primary on June 7, the two senatorial candidates that got the most votes (and will run in the general election) are Democrat Kamala Harris, a black woman, and Democrat Loretta Sanchez, a Hispanic woman. No Republican made the ballot for the Senatorial race. That means the each of the Democrats will be working hard to turn out as many voters as possible. If those people go to vote, the likelihood is that they also vote for HRC for President.
Trump is apparently blowing smoke about California. He has LESS chance of winning California than the proverbial snowball. He also claims he will win NY. Gimme a break. Little Donnie is delusional.
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Votes for Kamala Harris and Loretta Sanchez don't translate into people thinking Hillary is trustworthy or has their interests at heart.
Hillary & Bill Clinton are greedy outliers who hijacked the Democratic Party to the interests of corporations and international trade deals for a generation -to the detriment of working Americans. Many Democrats want their party back!
Hillary & Bill Clinton are greedy outliers who hijacked the Democratic Party to the interests of corporations and international trade deals for a generation -to the detriment of working Americans. Many Democrats want their party back!
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It is certainly not too late to nominate a true public servant, in Bernie Sanders.
The FBI now has all the political coverage it needs to put an end to the Clinton campaign. If the Cameron government can fall to a populist referendum, anything is possible, especially given the moral and character implications of Hillary's email scandal.
Bernie's revolution is peaceful and it properly restores power to the people. Let's show the world that we are ready to lead, before right wing populism (fascism) takes any greater hold in this country.
Sanders/Warren 2016
The FBI now has all the political coverage it needs to put an end to the Clinton campaign. If the Cameron government can fall to a populist referendum, anything is possible, especially given the moral and character implications of Hillary's email scandal.
Bernie's revolution is peaceful and it properly restores power to the people. Let's show the world that we are ready to lead, before right wing populism (fascism) takes any greater hold in this country.
Sanders/Warren 2016
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There is a lot of time between now and November for the negative consequences of the Leave vote to begin to appear. I wouldn't assume that Trump's alignment with Leave will be a benefit to him come election time. And even in the very short time elapsed since the vote, it has already come out that the Leave movement created an important advertisement and talking point that was an outright lie (that some hundreds of millions of pounds were flowing from the UK treasury to Brussels annually). My guess is this is an important enough story to become news. If it does, it might be possible to link flat-out lies by Trump to this whopper.
Having said that, the Brexit vote will absolutely be a cautionary note for the Clinton campaign and will disabuse her of any notion that she can take the issues lightly (if there was ever a chance that she would). We can only hope that she and her advisors will take voter anger very seriously and will find messages and perhaps a VP running mate that address these important issues
On the other side, unless his handlers are really on top of the game, Trump could very easily decide that Leave is a certain winner for him. He is not a cautious man and doesn't appear to think though the risks created almost whenever he opens his mouth. Or maybe he still thinks he can say whatever he wants with no consequences. But whatever the reason for his decision, he might seek to strongly identify himself with Leave and be rudely surprised a few months from now.
Having said that, the Brexit vote will absolutely be a cautionary note for the Clinton campaign and will disabuse her of any notion that she can take the issues lightly (if there was ever a chance that she would). We can only hope that she and her advisors will take voter anger very seriously and will find messages and perhaps a VP running mate that address these important issues
On the other side, unless his handlers are really on top of the game, Trump could very easily decide that Leave is a certain winner for him. He is not a cautious man and doesn't appear to think though the risks created almost whenever he opens his mouth. Or maybe he still thinks he can say whatever he wants with no consequences. But whatever the reason for his decision, he might seek to strongly identify himself with Leave and be rudely surprised a few months from now.
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Relatively short-term financial pain, whatever that may turn out to be (likely very little) , is a very small price for England OR America to pay in return for becoming self-respecting nations again.
#MakeAmericaGreatAgain
#MakeAmericaGreatAgain
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How many times and in how many ways must Hillary's campaign be told to wake up?
How can they not see what everyone else sees? That she was seriously challenged by Bernie, an unknown candidate with the charisma of sandpaper, solely based on the clarity of his message of radical change. That she is not the overwhelming favorite to defeat a mentally unstable huckster whose sole attribute is channeling voter anger with the status quo.
Like Neville Chamberlain, or Herbert Hoover, she seems unable to recognize the unusual dynamics of the situation, and that trying to muddle through incrementally is the most dangerous path, not the safest.
How can they not see what everyone else sees? That she was seriously challenged by Bernie, an unknown candidate with the charisma of sandpaper, solely based on the clarity of his message of radical change. That she is not the overwhelming favorite to defeat a mentally unstable huckster whose sole attribute is channeling voter anger with the status quo.
Like Neville Chamberlain, or Herbert Hoover, she seems unable to recognize the unusual dynamics of the situation, and that trying to muddle through incrementally is the most dangerous path, not the safest.
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"Mentally unstable hucksters" don't defeat 17 other candidates or build multi-billion-dollar business empires.
#Trumo2016
#Trumo2016
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A denizen of Berkeley who thinks Bernie has the charisma of sandpaper.
Hillary's problem is that she is truly out of touch. She has the bad luck of being precisely the type of politician of whom people are sick and tired. Globalist wealthy elitists were the most mistaken about Brexit. They are mistaken about Americans too.
She keeps using the old identity strategies (ex., gender, race, etc.) because that's what democrats have always done. She's out of touch there too.
She keeps using the old identity strategies (ex., gender, race, etc.) because that's what democrats have always done. She's out of touch there too.
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Hillary Clinton follows capital to heel. Establishment politics for very long time had been the only game in town – either the Republican or the Democratic partisan would be elected as an establishment president. She has wished this year the same tradition would repeat itself. Her slogan: “Stronger Together” hid the fact that what she means by that is to hang together with capital, then the country under it will be strong, not so much for the people as for the reign of capital. She values “stability and incremental change over” political revolution of Bernie Sanders and even mild anti-establishment dissent of Donald Trump.
“She, too, is a pragmatic internationalist battling against nationalist anger…” - translation: she wants to sell globalization of capital just as her husband did before her to maximize profits for capital at the expense of the working class. Her “calm, steady, experienced leadership in the White House” is nothing short of repetition of the political ploy against the electorate’s long-term interests. Her experience will serve capital well but certainly fail to serve the people.
“Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump won a combined 25 million votes during the primary season, compared with 16 million for Mrs. Clinton.” She will not be able to win them over in the general election, because those supporters of the two anti-establishment candidates are smarter and better thinkers than those attractable by the Clinton campaign touting the first female presidency.
“She, too, is a pragmatic internationalist battling against nationalist anger…” - translation: she wants to sell globalization of capital just as her husband did before her to maximize profits for capital at the expense of the working class. Her “calm, steady, experienced leadership in the White House” is nothing short of repetition of the political ploy against the electorate’s long-term interests. Her experience will serve capital well but certainly fail to serve the people.
“Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump won a combined 25 million votes during the primary season, compared with 16 million for Mrs. Clinton.” She will not be able to win them over in the general election, because those supporters of the two anti-establishment candidates are smarter and better thinkers than those attractable by the Clinton campaign touting the first female presidency.
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Accurate, but I'd argue that Trump's anti-establishment dissent is quite deep and real.
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A leader is one who leads from the front rather blindly follows the shifting popular mood and leads from behind the crowd. What matters is a close connect with the people, a genuine concern for their wellbeing and the capacity to articulate and fulfill their aspirations, rather being swayed by the undue fears and anxieties aroused by the self-serving demagogues. As such, there appears to be no justification for the Democratic Party leader Clinton to change her cautious stance for fear of the negative impact of the Brexit.
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Versus the leading from behind strategy that Obama favors? I get what you are saying, however, ignoring the mood of the electorate is an outrageously ignorant idea for any Presidential candidate. After all, politicians work for us, not the other way around. Choosing to dismiss the real, honest feelings of millions of Americans is a surefire way to ensure a defeat at the ballot box.
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"Several Democrats cautioned against drawing too many lessons from the Brexit vote, saying mass immigration and economic malaise were bigger problems in Britain and the European Union than in the United States. They also said many British voters were revolting against a bureaucracy in Brussels that they regarded as bloated, overpaid and prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign countries."
Because there's no mass immigration into the US across the southern border, there's no economic malaise here, and there's no bloated, overpaid bureaucracy in DC prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign states.
Because there's no mass immigration into the US across the southern border, there's no economic malaise here, and there's no bloated, overpaid bureaucracy in DC prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign states.
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I wish I had wrote this. Great points.
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“I don’t think the average American who has a retirement account right now is thrilled about Donald Trump’s support of Brexit.”
And therein lies the reality of what happened in Britain. People in America had to feel the pain of that decision in their pockets to understand that a vote for rage against the establishment has its consequences. Sometimes what you wish for turns on you and bites you in the rear.
And therein lies the reality of what happened in Britain. People in America had to feel the pain of that decision in their pockets to understand that a vote for rage against the establishment has its consequences. Sometimes what you wish for turns on you and bites you in the rear.
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Just exactly how has anyone "felt the consequences"? Sorry but that's about one of the dumbest things spewed out by leftists yet. No one lost a dime in the market unless they panic sold and if that's the case then they deserved to lose.
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After stunning the success of Donald Trump in the Republication primaries and what can only be described as the stunning success by a largely unknown 74 year old socialist funded entirely by small donations, we would think that Hillary Clinton and Company (i.e., Bill) would be down on their knees, screaming themselves hoarse to convince American voters that they hear us load and clear. In fact, the opposite is true. The Clintons seem as clueless as ever. The only voices they hear (other than their own) are the Machine Pols and their cheerleaders in Wall Street and Silicon Valley. (Hint; those are the voices of MONEY.) There's now a movement afoot among Republications to persuade party delegates to vote their conscience rather than Trump. Isn't time that Democrats consider the same thing?
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The biggest risk to Clinton being elected is neither Trump nor her own lack of inspiring charisma. Rather, it is that many of the younger American citizenry who are unalterably opposed to Trump and express such frequently online, will not get off their gadgets long enough to actually vote.
The Brexit vote should be a cautionary tale. The following is from the Spectator. (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-political-awakening-young-pe...
"So fewer young people are likely to have voted – and more older people are likely to have voted. Had turnout been higher among younger people its influence would have been even greater, but as is usually the case, there was a general trend for turnout to increase in line with average age. So yes, 75 percent of young people — who turned out — may have voted Remain, but there could have been far more older people (in real terms) who voted Remain than that meme gives credit to. And even more importantly, if more young people had turned out, the result may have been different. It might have swung it for Remain."
The Brexit vote should be a cautionary tale. The following is from the Spectator. (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-political-awakening-young-pe...
"So fewer young people are likely to have voted – and more older people are likely to have voted. Had turnout been higher among younger people its influence would have been even greater, but as is usually the case, there was a general trend for turnout to increase in line with average age. So yes, 75 percent of young people — who turned out — may have voted Remain, but there could have been far more older people (in real terms) who voted Remain than that meme gives credit to. And even more importantly, if more young people had turned out, the result may have been different. It might have swung it for Remain."
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Maybe it's time to let young people vote on their "gadget" as you call them. Maybe it's time to let ALL people vote on their "gadgets."
We could make it secure if we wanted to badly enough, but it seems a certain party wants to restrict the number of voters, not increase them.
Sounds like a natural cause to be taken up by Democrats, if they want to add on another demographic, young people... why don't we have a referendum on it?
I'll bet that would get young voters to the polls.
I'm 64, btw... I think it would be a heckuva deal to do this.
What says democracy more than a lot of people voting?
We could make it secure if we wanted to badly enough, but it seems a certain party wants to restrict the number of voters, not increase them.
Sounds like a natural cause to be taken up by Democrats, if they want to add on another demographic, young people... why don't we have a referendum on it?
I'll bet that would get young voters to the polls.
I'm 64, btw... I think it would be a heckuva deal to do this.
What says democracy more than a lot of people voting?
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Yes, voting to secede from the European Union has done wonders for Britain, especially its economic status, dropping from fifth richest country to sixth in one day. Almost as stupid as voting for Donald Trump would be.
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I've called many conservative voters stupid, especially those supporting HB2 in my own North Carolina. The GOP has done nothing for them.
I've called plenty of GOP politicians stupid. They've ruined North Carolina's image and reputation and committed the most unpardonable sin of all: they've run off bidness.
But even if they are stupid and their actions fly in the face of facts, we've reached a point where demonstrating their stupidity to them just makes them dig in their heels.
I'm not sure how we get past that cognitive dissonance.
I've called plenty of GOP politicians stupid. They've ruined North Carolina's image and reputation and committed the most unpardonable sin of all: they've run off bidness.
But even if they are stupid and their actions fly in the face of facts, we've reached a point where demonstrating their stupidity to them just makes them dig in their heels.
I'm not sure how we get past that cognitive dissonance.
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Sometimes a step backwards is a step forward.
Think about that the next time you find yourself at a precipice.
Think about that the next time you find yourself at a precipice.
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@ tabascoJoe: How profound! But which precipice are you referring to? The one where the American electorate must decide whether to hand the nuclear launch codes to the ignorant, racist, impulse-control-challenged Donald Trump? Or the one where ignorant and xenophobic Brits voted against their own self-interest (much like voting for Donald Trump would be)?
Thank you, Patrick. Best piece in the New York Times in a whole year of stuff about this election campaign.
I hope the Democrat super-delegates read it, and think about what your article and Brexit mean. Hillary represents The Wealth-and-War Establishment Royalty that The People are rising up to overthrow. Nomination of Hillary would face us with a terrible alternative to Trump, maximize the likelihood of another Brexit-like defeat that leaves us under Clown Prince Trump.
The super-delegates should invalidate our Royal Media's premature crowning of Hillary before the convention vote. Nominate Bernie, whose campaign and mission -- to restore America from The Wealth-and-War Establishment Royalty to The People -- will defeat Trump and set us in the right direction.
I hope the Democrat super-delegates read it, and think about what your article and Brexit mean. Hillary represents The Wealth-and-War Establishment Royalty that The People are rising up to overthrow. Nomination of Hillary would face us with a terrible alternative to Trump, maximize the likelihood of another Brexit-like defeat that leaves us under Clown Prince Trump.
The super-delegates should invalidate our Royal Media's premature crowning of Hillary before the convention vote. Nominate Bernie, whose campaign and mission -- to restore America from The Wealth-and-War Establishment Royalty to The People -- will defeat Trump and set us in the right direction.
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If you're going to lump Sanders and Trump totals together, you should add all of the "conventional" Republican candidates to Clinton's total as well. It's this sort of slippery political analysis that Nate Silver used to quietly dismiss. A shame the NYTimes couldn't hang onto him.
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Thank you for pointing out and recognizing that Mrs.Clinton is most appropriately lumped in with "conventional" Republicans.
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This week the HRC & DWS appointees to the Democratic Platform Committee voted down the Sanders representatives' proposal that the party platform include formal opposition to TPP. Don't be surprised when Trump clobbers Clinton over this in PA, OH, MI, IN, IL, WI, & MO. The Republican disarray gives the Dems their best opportunity since 1964 to crush the opposition in the presidential race as well as in congressional races, and yet Team Clinton seems determined to run the kind of campaign that will leave chips on the table. It's 2016, not 1996. Triangulation is not what the Dems need when there is so much hostility to the status quo.
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The DNC can ignore Berners, but it cannot ignore Brexit.
Hillary has now become a catalyst for Trump presidency. The longer she stays in the race, the stronger Trump's support becomes.
It is time for her to endorse Sanders and drop out.
Hillary has now become a catalyst for Trump presidency. The longer she stays in the race, the stronger Trump's support becomes.
It is time for her to endorse Sanders and drop out.
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If the DNC ignores the"Berners" as you call them she will lose in November. HRC has already lost at about 20% of them if you believe the latest poll numbers. She needs some of those voters to counter the vicious anti-Hillary storm that is going to come her way this fall.
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Common sense is just do it. Not to do it will lead to many years of conflict if not chaos.
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If Hillary would come out in favor of enforcing existing regulations regarding immigration she'd win in a landslide. But she won't because that's against the Democratic policy of ignoring immigration laws to gain more voters.
Trump is an awful option but for many Americans he is the only choice. He's the only politician in favor of enforcing immigration laws. The alternative is letting Mexican illegals keep on jumping the border, getting benefits, and costing taxpayers a ton with ESL programs, free breakfasts, etc. Rule of law has to factor in at some point and Trump is the only politician pushing for it.
Trump is an awful option but for many Americans he is the only choice. He's the only politician in favor of enforcing immigration laws. The alternative is letting Mexican illegals keep on jumping the border, getting benefits, and costing taxpayers a ton with ESL programs, free breakfasts, etc. Rule of law has to factor in at some point and Trump is the only politician pushing for it.
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Clearly the Brexit is the political answer to the financial crisis and the way it was handled by the government, by just throwing more money at the culprit and therby making working people poorer and letting only the owner class participate in the recovery that cme from all that cheap money.
Clinton is part of the problem as her power and even nomination is mainly depending on the support of the very establishment forces i.e. gov and party insiders, the financial industry and other big corporations, that ripped people off during and after the financial crisis. Now the bill for the our governmenkt's injustice and the moral hazard it created is due and people rightfully demand pay back and new solutions. That's wh same old won't do and for many people Hillary represents same old, same old.
Clinton is part of the problem as her power and even nomination is mainly depending on the support of the very establishment forces i.e. gov and party insiders, the financial industry and other big corporations, that ripped people off during and after the financial crisis. Now the bill for the our governmenkt's injustice and the moral hazard it created is due and people rightfully demand pay back and new solutions. That's wh same old won't do and for many people Hillary represents same old, same old.
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"Several Democrats cautioned against drawing too many lessons from the Brexit vote, saying mass immigration and economic malaise were bigger problems in Britain and the Europe"
Not unreasonable things to say, but they might be missing the point. There are huge parts of the US with awful economies, and cheary news about how good the numbers are looking doesn't make those people feel more hopeful, it reinforces that distant government's they feel they can't impact don't care about them. And while I personally believe that immigration is a good thing for the US, not a bad thing, I think that the resentment about immigration, and the anxiety that real security concerns aren't addressed by a dismissive administration, runs pretty deep in the US as well.
Now predictably folks are carping about how stupid or shortsighted, or racist, or whatever, the folks that don't agree with them are. Maybe, but I doubt that is a useful strategy for wooing them to your camp, or addressing their sense of alienation, and very real economic difficulties. Not the best place for an establishment candidate funded strongly by the financial industry to be.
Not unreasonable things to say, but they might be missing the point. There are huge parts of the US with awful economies, and cheary news about how good the numbers are looking doesn't make those people feel more hopeful, it reinforces that distant government's they feel they can't impact don't care about them. And while I personally believe that immigration is a good thing for the US, not a bad thing, I think that the resentment about immigration, and the anxiety that real security concerns aren't addressed by a dismissive administration, runs pretty deep in the US as well.
Now predictably folks are carping about how stupid or shortsighted, or racist, or whatever, the folks that don't agree with them are. Maybe, but I doubt that is a useful strategy for wooing them to your camp, or addressing their sense of alienation, and very real economic difficulties. Not the best place for an establishment candidate funded strongly by the financial industry to be.
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Very true, but it seems to be the norm nowadays to simply bad-mouth people with different viewpoints instead of debating issues rationally. Counter-productive as can be!
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Good thing the presidential election is not a single-issue vote, like the UK's referendum. And as she made perfectly clear in the primary, Hillary is not a "single-issue candidate."
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To John B.
Those who vote Republican are, for the most part, single issue voters.
Talk to any so called Republican and they will bring up their individual issue of personal concern almost immediately.
Emotion tends to enter into their picture ...... relentlessly.
If I remember correctly registered Republicans are merely 26% of the electorate.
Independents can swing any way depending on their current feeling for their single issue matter of the moment.
Or they will follow the pattern of Democrats as described below.
Whereas Democratic voters generally are more concerned with social and economic justice and the Common Good.
They tend to be more dedicated to the larger picture.
I agree that Hillary Clinton is not a "single-issue candidate".
Let us hope that the electorate at large will appreciate this factor and vote accordingly.
Those who vote Republican are, for the most part, single issue voters.
Talk to any so called Republican and they will bring up their individual issue of personal concern almost immediately.
Emotion tends to enter into their picture ...... relentlessly.
If I remember correctly registered Republicans are merely 26% of the electorate.
Independents can swing any way depending on their current feeling for their single issue matter of the moment.
Or they will follow the pattern of Democrats as described below.
Whereas Democratic voters generally are more concerned with social and economic justice and the Common Good.
They tend to be more dedicated to the larger picture.
I agree that Hillary Clinton is not a "single-issue candidate".
Let us hope that the electorate at large will appreciate this factor and vote accordingly.
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Membership in the EU is not a single issue either.
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In reference to Republicans, the 26% is accurate.
Hillary's support for the status quo is being misrepresented by many commenters here as proof of her conservatism. If they'd take off their blinders, they'd see that the status quo that she's supporting is Obama's incremental progressivism. Apples are not oranges.
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As they did in the UK, just wait until DT paints an airplane "red" and rails against the $50B/month that the US spends on imports over our exports.... the "current account" I believe it is called. We basically "send" $50B/mo more out than we bring in. We've been doing this for decades... Add it up... it represents trillions flowing into the countries that actually manufacture most of what we buy.
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The Smug Club-- Ivy Leaguers and Wall Streeters -- never mastered anything except how to usurp power. Grabbing it, scheming for it. Never making anything. Never fixing anything. Just talk, campaigns. Using politics as a short cut to the top. First, it is impossible for a Rhodes Scholar to feel anyone's pain. Second, affirmative action Harvard Law grads don't really organize communities-- they are just putting more stuff on their resumes. And solemn oratory does not create quality jobs. When your political rise depends on Wall Street largesse-- Wall Street will always get what it wants. It is the fundamental illegitimacy, the lack of any experience outside of the Game of Politics, that makes these hollow men and women so dependent on Big Money to get their power, which, always guarantees that Big Money always gets its way above all.
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Can't get any more Big Money, Wall Street-connected, cozy with the rich and powerful, etc... Than The Orange One. That is, if one believes his unsubstantiated claims to being worth billions.
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Don't trust anyone who went to an Ivy League college or took money from Goldman Sachs, or both.
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Hillary is fearless and for good reason: the innocent have nothing to hide.
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That is enough to make me nauseous.
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REALITY-CHECK: We are a nation of idiots, easily distracted by transparently false nonsense
ALMOST everybody with a blog, printing-press, or microphone has been shouting about how the Brexit-Vote harmed the economy/stock-market
ONLY A FEW commentators correctly pointed out, that the 'massive drop'
. . . just put us back to where we were about 5 weeks ago, before the incorrect assumption of a REMAIN vote would spell the dawning of a new Economic Boom
If you simply google: "S&P 500", manipulate the graph for 1-year, and 5-year trends, and you will see that the boom-&-correction of the last 5 weeks is absolutely unremarkable
A similar watch-the-birdie, misdirection play is going on around Orlanda, while the FBI, the Administration, and all liberals are relentlessly searching for any possible motivation behind that attack,
. . . other than the obvious one, that he was simply following the explicit instructions from 'Allah' in the Holy Koran, and the examples set by the Prophet Mohammad, in his official biography
Similar to the delusion that ANY of the Gun Proposals being argued about would make the tiniest difference at all.
{BIG-IF} *IF* 90% of Americans 'really' do 'want' the Democratic proposals for Gun Regulation, then
Next January, President Clinton will have a Democratic House/Reps & a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, then very quickly she will install a new 5-4 Liberal Majority on SCOTUS
And she will get ANYTHING she wants !
REALITY-CHECK= How likely is that?
ALMOST everybody with a blog, printing-press, or microphone has been shouting about how the Brexit-Vote harmed the economy/stock-market
ONLY A FEW commentators correctly pointed out, that the 'massive drop'
. . . just put us back to where we were about 5 weeks ago, before the incorrect assumption of a REMAIN vote would spell the dawning of a new Economic Boom
If you simply google: "S&P 500", manipulate the graph for 1-year, and 5-year trends, and you will see that the boom-&-correction of the last 5 weeks is absolutely unremarkable
A similar watch-the-birdie, misdirection play is going on around Orlanda, while the FBI, the Administration, and all liberals are relentlessly searching for any possible motivation behind that attack,
. . . other than the obvious one, that he was simply following the explicit instructions from 'Allah' in the Holy Koran, and the examples set by the Prophet Mohammad, in his official biography
Similar to the delusion that ANY of the Gun Proposals being argued about would make the tiniest difference at all.
{BIG-IF} *IF* 90% of Americans 'really' do 'want' the Democratic proposals for Gun Regulation, then
Next January, President Clinton will have a Democratic House/Reps & a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, then very quickly she will install a new 5-4 Liberal Majority on SCOTUS
And she will get ANYTHING she wants !
REALITY-CHECK= How likely is that?
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Brexit is being pushed into the news epicenter by many forces as if it reflects a global movement. Some hold that there are parallels with America's elections in November. Even Trump, in his own egomaniacal way, wants to strap himself to this British package of discontent. The reality is that this is not a global movement, but it could begin one. It is a long building issue fomented by men who hated the European Union concept from early on. Their perseverance, their ability to divide England, and the recent upsurge in immigration into Common Market countries (forgive the old term), all contributed to Brexit. Yet this vote will penalize the very people who gave it their support. It has divided young from old. It may even split parts of the British union into geographical and ideological pieces that no longer fit. Brexit is an isolationist's dream and an economist's nightmare.
But it is a great lesson for the world and especially the U.S.—if we examine it closely. The result of listening to those who would divide us is more division, deeper division. From the Bible to Lincoln, we've been warned repeatedly what happens to a house divided, and in England, we see the aftermath that has just begun. There is no afterglow streaming from this decision. There is conflict already and there will be great suffering. But without grasping the lesson being played out on the British, we will not stand either. We aren't just stronger together, we can only survive together.
But it is a great lesson for the world and especially the U.S.—if we examine it closely. The result of listening to those who would divide us is more division, deeper division. From the Bible to Lincoln, we've been warned repeatedly what happens to a house divided, and in England, we see the aftermath that has just begun. There is no afterglow streaming from this decision. There is conflict already and there will be great suffering. But without grasping the lesson being played out on the British, we will not stand either. We aren't just stronger together, we can only survive together.
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The Common Market worked just fine; Europe doesn't need a super-bureacracy that constantly interferes with national sovereignty and costs a fortune, to boot.
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The UK are diverse entities: Wales: Scotland: Northern Ireland
and England seem resolved....however.. not totally resolved...they
are shifting about to make changes....and...they will...and why.
Well...the Brits always have had the knack for sorting out problems
The Brits are overdue for sorting out their position in the EU for a long long time..
They will most likely spur a renaissance for all of the rest of the Eurozone
Countries.. that is the remaining 27 Eurozone members....and because of
the penchant for the British to reason and reason and reason through the
wee hours....the Brits usually reach a fairly sane concensus...and the rest
of the EU most likely will concur with the results of all this knashing of teeth.
And ...the USA....will also most likely benefit from all the good reasoning being
done and ride along with the concensus...that there is a large portion of the
people in the UK as well as France as well as the USA...who are simply being
LEFT OUT...of what should be a more democratic process.
and .....Yes...Hillary is passe...but very capable....and she WILL go along..
especially if Bernie and Elizabeth Warren ...insist on listening to the electorate
who has put their hopes on the necessary progress to include these neglected
voters...with the power of big campaign financing..
Take Note...the people of Britian have voted....so...there will be no Donald Trump in the UK...except for his promoting his new suites in his renovated LIghthouse. so Relax !
and England seem resolved....however.. not totally resolved...they
are shifting about to make changes....and...they will...and why.
Well...the Brits always have had the knack for sorting out problems
The Brits are overdue for sorting out their position in the EU for a long long time..
They will most likely spur a renaissance for all of the rest of the Eurozone
Countries.. that is the remaining 27 Eurozone members....and because of
the penchant for the British to reason and reason and reason through the
wee hours....the Brits usually reach a fairly sane concensus...and the rest
of the EU most likely will concur with the results of all this knashing of teeth.
And ...the USA....will also most likely benefit from all the good reasoning being
done and ride along with the concensus...that there is a large portion of the
people in the UK as well as France as well as the USA...who are simply being
LEFT OUT...of what should be a more democratic process.
and .....Yes...Hillary is passe...but very capable....and she WILL go along..
especially if Bernie and Elizabeth Warren ...insist on listening to the electorate
who has put their hopes on the necessary progress to include these neglected
voters...with the power of big campaign financing..
Take Note...the people of Britian have voted....so...there will be no Donald Trump in the UK...except for his promoting his new suites in his renovated LIghthouse. so Relax !
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sanders claims his number one goal is to defeat Trump and yet can't say that he is even voting for Hillary properly and won't tell his supporters to do so.
So, in what way is he working to defeat Trump? Does he think trump loses to himself?
His dishonesty and hypocrisy are nauseating, as is the racism and xenophobia of all voters that sided with Brexit, Trump, Sanders, etc.
So, in what way is he working to defeat Trump? Does he think trump loses to himself?
His dishonesty and hypocrisy are nauseating, as is the racism and xenophobia of all voters that sided with Brexit, Trump, Sanders, etc.
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You aren't going to get very far claiming that Bernie's supporters are racist and xenophobic. Bernie is the candidate who called for a clear path to citizenship, not a wall, not deportation of 11 million people, and not a continuation of vague, both-sides-of-the-mouth promises that never amount to anything.
Why would Bernie tell people to vote for a candidate who embodies what Bernie is fighting against? Hillary is the senator from Wall Street. She called TTIP the 'gold standard' of trade deals. She only recently decided that same-sex marriage is okay. She is squeamish about the $15 minimum wage. She wants to keep insurance companies in the health care equation. She has a tax shelter in Delaware. She tries to copy Bernie's rhetoric on the campaign trail, but her representatives won't put Bernie's planks into the official platform. Why should Bernie lead cheers for her?
Why would Bernie tell people to vote for a candidate who embodies what Bernie is fighting against? Hillary is the senator from Wall Street. She called TTIP the 'gold standard' of trade deals. She only recently decided that same-sex marriage is okay. She is squeamish about the $15 minimum wage. She wants to keep insurance companies in the health care equation. She has a tax shelter in Delaware. She tries to copy Bernie's rhetoric on the campaign trail, but her representatives won't put Bernie's planks into the official platform. Why should Bernie lead cheers for her?
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Actually a lot of people supported Brexit from the left and these people had a lot in common with the Bernie or Bust people. We will all get to see what they accomplished.
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Hillary will huddle with advisors, certainly not do a press conference like Trump, get a few polls and several focus groups. After all is said and done she'll recalibrate her stance on globalization without a dramatic shift. She's lucky the Brexit vote was in June so she can artfully change her tone and emphasis. Some of the Bernie people are still in the throes of mass delusion. He's Bernie Who now and will be thrown a bone at the convention. Also the Obama legacy is fading the last rose of summer.
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Clinton is the candidate of the global elites. She may very well "change her tone and emphasis," but what won't be changing is her steadfast support for the free movement of capital and low-cost labor regardless of the impact.
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"Not many voters want a lecturer as president." Indeed. After having been lectured for the last seven years.
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The EU is a perfect example of everything that's wrong with Leftist governments: they're overbearing, intrusive, controlling, and incompetent. The Brits just got tired of being bossed around by a bunch of bureaucrats.
The American federal government s a perfect example of everything that's wrong with Leftist governments: they're overbearing, intrusive, controlling, and incompetent, and Hillary Clinton will do nothing but make every one of those characteristics worse.
The American federal government s a perfect example of everything that's wrong with Leftist governments: they're overbearing, intrusive, controlling, and incompetent, and Hillary Clinton will do nothing but make every one of those characteristics worse.
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PLEASE don't compare the Federal Government with the EU! There is the separation of powers, states' rights and most Americans' aversion to big government.
Britain just self-destructed, and the economic and political carnage resulting from it proves Hillary right that we're stronger together. A people divided are weaker. It will no longer be Great Britain. It will be small. And what happens there is a warning to us here not to succumb to Trump's politics of hate and division, or we will face even worse consequences.
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We have Trump who calls for banning all people of a religion.
He wants racial profiling.
He calls an American judge born in Indiana a Mexican hater.
His disdain and insults towards women are too numerous.
And this man is getting half the support in the country including a large percent of Sanders support. What it shows is how many racists are there in this country.
He wants racial profiling.
He calls an American judge born in Indiana a Mexican hater.
His disdain and insults towards women are too numerous.
And this man is getting half the support in the country including a large percent of Sanders support. What it shows is how many racists are there in this country.
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Find a new way to deal with disappointment than just labeling your opponents racist. It betrays a very weak hand and cheapens our political culture.
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Those who see racism in everything are the actual racists.
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I think it was The Guardian just just had a great article about Trump's Scottish resorts and how he has treated people who got in his way. Trump's art of the deal resembles John Gotti's, maybe a bit less physical. Plus Trump, Deadbeat Donald, stiffs people who do work for him. If anybody ends up going to jail at the end of all this is will be Trump, not Clinton.
HL Mencken: 'There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong'. There is no simple answer to the economic problems that have warped the distribution of almost everything. The Trump answer, mainly multiple coats of whitewash, will be no more successful than Brexit. It may make some people happier for a brief interval, until they realize that they have been mislead once again.
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We have a bit of time between the Brexit vote and the American election. If Brexit has any connection with how people vote in America, we will all see what the voters think. Apparently the Bernie voters now think that Bernie stabbed them in the back and they have been cheated out of their free pony. I was for Obama in 2008 and 2012, and have been for Hillary since before she announced. If we end up with a permanent progressive movement beyond this election I will support it, but I don't see why progressives have to throw away this election now because they didn't get everything they wanted.
As far as Brexit is concerned, the Tories won't be in office forever. Boris Badhair is a bit unhinged, there is something sinister about Theresa May, and the rest of them are slightly bonkers. I think Corbyn could maybe have handled Brexit better, but Blair just came out for reinvading Iraq. I think Corbyn would make an excellent prime minister and hope he gets a chance. The UK can always get back into the EU, especially after it is reformed. But it can and must be reformed to be more democratic and transparent, not for the Tory right and theis big-money allies.
As far as Brexit is concerned, the Tories won't be in office forever. Boris Badhair is a bit unhinged, there is something sinister about Theresa May, and the rest of them are slightly bonkers. I think Corbyn could maybe have handled Brexit better, but Blair just came out for reinvading Iraq. I think Corbyn would make an excellent prime minister and hope he gets a chance. The UK can always get back into the EU, especially after it is reformed. But it can and must be reformed to be more democratic and transparent, not for the Tory right and theis big-money allies.
I suspect Brexit may be the best thing that's happened for Hillary. Many British people who voted "leave" did so out of angry protest, but even now, many appear to be rethinking it as they see the pound sterling tank, the markets sink. What have they gained? This is not going to make Britain "great again." This may help Americans see the foolishness of voting out of unreasoned anger. Having someone else go down this self-destructive path for all to see right before our election may help Hillary a lot.
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Give it a few days or weeks; perhaps all the doomsayers will be proved wrong.
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Bernie was the candidate for people who thought deeply about what was wrong with the world and who wanted to think deeply about how to fix it.
Clinton is the candidate for people who don't want to think, are driven by fear and just want things to stay the same; the same power structures, the same endless wars, the same corruption, the same intractable inequities, the same lack of progress, the same stupidities. That's why she is the darling of Wall Street, the fossil fuel industry, military contractors and the WalMart's of the world.
Trump is also the candidate for people who don't want to think. Trump and Clinton actually have more in common, in that respect, than Trump and Sanders.
Brexit has nothing to teach us about our own political circus.
Clinton is the candidate for people who don't want to think, are driven by fear and just want things to stay the same; the same power structures, the same endless wars, the same corruption, the same intractable inequities, the same lack of progress, the same stupidities. That's why she is the darling of Wall Street, the fossil fuel industry, military contractors and the WalMart's of the world.
Trump is also the candidate for people who don't want to think. Trump and Clinton actually have more in common, in that respect, than Trump and Sanders.
Brexit has nothing to teach us about our own political circus.
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Oh my goodness, Bernie thought deeply? and even funnier, his SUPPORTERS thought deeply?? Hahahahaha! Thank you for the best laugh I've had all week!
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Hillary actually has plans to achieve what she talks about achieving. That is why she does not do well. She actually believes the voters have enough intelligence to understand what she is saying.
But the low knowledge voters (Bernie's and Donnie's) don't like being asked to tbinkz. They want somebody who give them short, easy to digest tag lines. They don't want to "waste" their time having to figure out if the solutions are practical. Hence Donnie's first reaction to Brexit I show much more money it is going
To make for his golf course because the UK voters destroyed the value of the pound. And Bernie's fans loved the free university and breaking the banks, but when Bernie was given the chance to explain exactly how he was going to do this, he could string together an intelligent reply.
Apparently the age of advertising and sound bites has destroyed the ability to actually think and spend the time to investigate what thwre truth is for themselves. And from this ignorance and laziness will come the fall of our current civilization just as laziness on the part of Riman citizens and leaders lead to the fall of the Roman Emlire. (On the bright side, it should lead to a massive human die off and the consequent reduction in human effluent into the environment)
But the low knowledge voters (Bernie's and Donnie's) don't like being asked to tbinkz. They want somebody who give them short, easy to digest tag lines. They don't want to "waste" their time having to figure out if the solutions are practical. Hence Donnie's first reaction to Brexit I show much more money it is going
To make for his golf course because the UK voters destroyed the value of the pound. And Bernie's fans loved the free university and breaking the banks, but when Bernie was given the chance to explain exactly how he was going to do this, he could string together an intelligent reply.
Apparently the age of advertising and sound bites has destroyed the ability to actually think and spend the time to investigate what thwre truth is for themselves. And from this ignorance and laziness will come the fall of our current civilization just as laziness on the part of Riman citizens and leaders lead to the fall of the Roman Emlire. (On the bright side, it should lead to a massive human die off and the consequent reduction in human effluent into the environment)
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She has absolutely no message whatsoever. Her only reason for running for president is for her own personal accomplishments, but I still think it's something more sinister, personally, for her. Our country gains absolutely zero from her being president. I'm also greatly (understatement) disappointed in Sanders caving the way he did in endorsing her. That endorsement undermines the message he has solidified the last 12 months. God only knows what the establishment Democrats said to him. Love or hate Trump, I think he genuinely wants to fix what's wrong in this country. Many have hurt feelings by his message and I do not agree with some of what he says, but he does highlight the most pressing issues our country faces, which no doubt, is in need of change.
We're also dangerously witnessing our own personal freedoms and democracy challenged daily from our neoliberal politicians.
Take for example an article I read this morning about a near revolt at CNN following the Corey Lewandowski hiring. Oh, I'm sorry, is there someone in the room you don't like or don't agree with. So you attempt to push him out since he doesn't follow the same script? Has he inflicted some personal injury to you? No, probably not. He just has a different point of view. It's CNN, not a religious cult. Turn the other way. Go about your business. Challenge from strength. Spare me the politically correct diatribe or tantrums of agree with me or else...It's immature. This behavior is a real problem.
We're also dangerously witnessing our own personal freedoms and democracy challenged daily from our neoliberal politicians.
Take for example an article I read this morning about a near revolt at CNN following the Corey Lewandowski hiring. Oh, I'm sorry, is there someone in the room you don't like or don't agree with. So you attempt to push him out since he doesn't follow the same script? Has he inflicted some personal injury to you? No, probably not. He just has a different point of view. It's CNN, not a religious cult. Turn the other way. Go about your business. Challenge from strength. Spare me the politically correct diatribe or tantrums of agree with me or else...It's immature. This behavior is a real problem.
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Sanders has not endorsed Clinton.
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How right you are.
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Bernie has not endorsed Clinton. Sigh. Facts, please.
In 2008, Mrs Clinton ran against an unknown Candidate whose Campaign Slogan was: Change we can BELIEVE in" and lost.
Eight Years later, She runs against a Candidate Mr Sanders who came out of nowhere and whose Slogan is : " A Future to BELIEVE in" and she almost lost.
People have hard time believing what she says. If Hilary changes to adapt her message to the Brexit vote, it would just get worse. She and her Campaign can only pray that Trump keep shooting himself in the foot.
Eight Years later, She runs against a Candidate Mr Sanders who came out of nowhere and whose Slogan is : " A Future to BELIEVE in" and she almost lost.
People have hard time believing what she says. If Hilary changes to adapt her message to the Brexit vote, it would just get worse. She and her Campaign can only pray that Trump keep shooting himself in the foot.
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She never came close to losing
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The hostility to Hillary Clinton in the comments is hard to believe. I guess the hundreds of millions of dollars of Koch money in negative ads against her have been well spent. Americans should be very careful of making it easy for Trump to win.
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No negative ads here for Ms. Clinton. Only her PAC running negative ads against Trump and positive ads fro her.
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Sanders supporters aren't supporting a criminal responsible for American deaths.
If she cant be trusted w security as secretary of state. We will not trust her as a President.
Her body language betrays the intention of her words every time. She is weak w a side of bitter. Not a very savory dish.
If she cant be trusted w security as secretary of state. We will not trust her as a President.
Her body language betrays the intention of her words every time. She is weak w a side of bitter. Not a very savory dish.
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Hillary Clinton's vote for the criminal Iraq War is not right wing propaganda, it is a cold, hard fact. The same is true of her membership on the Walmart board, her Wall St loyalties, her support for trade deals like NAFTA, and the list goes on.
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Mr. Luntz said. “We are in an age of individual action, not collective responsibility.” Yes, I somewhat agree. We focus our attention on being CONSUMERS. We SHOP around for the best PRODUCTS and deals. But political is not about shopping. It is about negotiation and compromise. I think the British exiters acted like shoppers.
Donald Trump taps into the shopper in us. Perhaps what Hillary Clinton needs is a mix of politics and shopping.
I say, the only thing we have to fear is... Donald Trump.
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Donald Trump taps into the shopper in us. Perhaps what Hillary Clinton needs is a mix of politics and shopping.
I say, the only thing we have to fear is... Donald Trump.
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So if I read this correctly your actually trying sell us the Brexit leavers and Hillary are walking hand in and for the little people? Amazing if you can sell this idea.
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Would Americans like to give up their sovereignty to a super nanny state?
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There's a place for flexibility, pragmatism and caution in politics but they can be too much of a good thing for the Democrats if they stray too far from the party's FDR roots. I'm convinced that the party hast lost so much ground in congress because it played defense against the one-line or two-word prescriptions of GOP/TP extremists; its candidates lost many seats because they were too inept to crisply describe what the Dems have done and would do for people.
Many of us warned here that the Dems need to spread Bernie's conviction message if they are to win. That still applies with Hillary as the messenger. The fate of Britain's "remain" campaign provides a further warning. If it is not heeded we will wake up on November 9 with Trump as the President-elect.
Many of us warned here that the Dems need to spread Bernie's conviction message if they are to win. That still applies with Hillary as the messenger. The fate of Britain's "remain" campaign provides a further warning. If it is not heeded we will wake up on November 9 with Trump as the President-elect.
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And won't that be a shame. Haha!
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And I am more and more convinced that the DP loses seats because it is more interested in power than in pushing any ideas and solutions once supported by the DP when FDR was president. They now fight against those ideas and fully embrace being the other corporate wing of the duopoly in the US. No amount of standing up for social issues will ever make them challenge the systemic problems created by the empire's blind and unwavering support for those who control global capitalism.
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Bernie sanders is an avowed socialist. His mantra is the communist manifesto. He has already said he would raise taxes to the nth degree. He also said the collective is more important than the individual. This means your house is my house too. Socialism only works for the elitists and wealthy.
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Hillary and the Democrats may have enough support where it counts to win, but the populist revolt that created Trump and Sanders will not go away. Certainly this broad dissatisfaction with everything HIllary stands for will dominate some local elections and show up in Congress. If elected Hillary will not have an easy time and could easily be a one term president.
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You have nothing to worry about. She won't be elected.. unless it's as "boss" of her cell block at Leavenworth.
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She might just decide she is to old for another four years and groom somebody to succeed her.
Elbert NYC:
Despite the fact that Hillary deserves prosecution, her boss Obama will spare her. In the end, he is a Chicago politician, no stranger to dirty behavior.
It was Obama, after all, who put a Clinton in his cabinet and allowed her to break the law while there. He's just another Clinton enabler.
Despite the fact that Hillary deserves prosecution, her boss Obama will spare her. In the end, he is a Chicago politician, no stranger to dirty behavior.
It was Obama, after all, who put a Clinton in his cabinet and allowed her to break the law while there. He's just another Clinton enabler.
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Longmont, Colorado Pending Approval
A side note, but an interesting exercise in democracy:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
This is a petition to have a second national referendum on Brexit. At the time I post this, nearly 2.8 million people have signed it. About 8% of the those who voted on the 1st referendum.
Say what you want about the UK, but at least they can hold national referenda and can petition Parliament. And, actually get their petition brought to the floor of the House of Commons.
A side note, but an interesting exercise in democracy:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
This is a petition to have a second national referendum on Brexit. At the time I post this, nearly 2.8 million people have signed it. About 8% of the those who voted on the 1st referendum.
Say what you want about the UK, but at least they can hold national referenda and can petition Parliament. And, actually get their petition brought to the floor of the House of Commons.
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Re "Colorado pending approval:.Well, if Colorado has not yet been approved it may never be.
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"the sort of populist victory over establishment politics that she fears in the coming presidential election"
Jeb would have been an ideal opponent for Hillary, even more of the same than she is, a return to W. She expected that campaign, and she would have won it.
She is establishment, and Trump is not, but Trump is not offering Denmark either. She disposed of Bernie. She is not fighting his Denmark ideas now.
Trump beat Jeb, but not by offering any of Bernie's solutions. He did it by a very different sort of populism. His populism is the open rebellion, of the torches and pitchforks variety.
Was Brexit a Trump style rebellion? Was it torches and pitchforks, or was it a challenge to ideas?
Corbyn leading the British Labour Party displayed that question -- he supported Remain, but without enthusiasm. He wanted to change things more like Bernie, not more like Trump. Brxit rolled right by him. Brexit rolled right by the young and newly energized voters spoken to by both Bernie and Corbyn.
I like Corbyn. I like Bernie. Their ideas did not win Brexit. It was a Trump-like win.
The Brits put Corbyn's ideas to one side, like the DNC did Bernie's. Then they got Trump instead. And Trump rolled over them. It appalled even Corbyn, as Trump appalls even Bernie. But that is what you get in politics when you resist the easy way -- you get the hard version.
Rebellion comes harder and harder, until finally the issues are no longer ignored.
Jeb would have been an ideal opponent for Hillary, even more of the same than she is, a return to W. She expected that campaign, and she would have won it.
She is establishment, and Trump is not, but Trump is not offering Denmark either. She disposed of Bernie. She is not fighting his Denmark ideas now.
Trump beat Jeb, but not by offering any of Bernie's solutions. He did it by a very different sort of populism. His populism is the open rebellion, of the torches and pitchforks variety.
Was Brexit a Trump style rebellion? Was it torches and pitchforks, or was it a challenge to ideas?
Corbyn leading the British Labour Party displayed that question -- he supported Remain, but without enthusiasm. He wanted to change things more like Bernie, not more like Trump. Brxit rolled right by him. Brexit rolled right by the young and newly energized voters spoken to by both Bernie and Corbyn.
I like Corbyn. I like Bernie. Their ideas did not win Brexit. It was a Trump-like win.
The Brits put Corbyn's ideas to one side, like the DNC did Bernie's. Then they got Trump instead. And Trump rolled over them. It appalled even Corbyn, as Trump appalls even Bernie. But that is what you get in politics when you resist the easy way -- you get the hard version.
Rebellion comes harder and harder, until finally the issues are no longer ignored.
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Exactly and Hillary will just kick the can down the road and make the situation even more explosive in the not ao distant future.
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amen... better wake listen and answer.
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If it was Jeb vs Hillary, it would have been clear, to everyone's dismay, how they are both cut from the same beige cloth. Trump is a gift to Clinton; he's the only thing she's got going for her: fear, and even that will gradually lose its efficacy.
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There are people who seek change regardless of whether it is for better or worse.
They literally don't care.
They are gamblers at one of Donald Trump's decayed, bankrupt casinos in ruined Atlantic City putting their life savings on 00.
People supporting Brexit did that, and assets around the world dropped $2 trillion, centered smack dab on themselves in the UK.
Britain First becomes Britain Last - poorer, smaller, and less important around the world.
Donald Trump advocates policies that no party does, including trade wars, nuclear proliferation and a US debt default (after tripling the national debt of course, that is his business strategy).
Trade benefits every consumer and the overwhelming majority of businesses.
Since the beginning of civilization, nations have grown prosperous from trade amongst nations.
HRC well recognizes the problem is not free trade but wealth and income inequality, which causes instability and low growth.
23 Americans own what the poorest 160 million Americans own.
85 people in the world own what the poorest 3.5 billion own around the world.
Some immensely wealthy people, like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, choose to give immense portions of accumulated wealth to fix problems around the globe.
But many immensely wealthy people refuse to pay even advantaged statutory tax rates and take an increasing share of income from people because they can.
Secretary Clinton is trying to fix the actual problem, not just spin the roulette wheel.
They literally don't care.
They are gamblers at one of Donald Trump's decayed, bankrupt casinos in ruined Atlantic City putting their life savings on 00.
People supporting Brexit did that, and assets around the world dropped $2 trillion, centered smack dab on themselves in the UK.
Britain First becomes Britain Last - poorer, smaller, and less important around the world.
Donald Trump advocates policies that no party does, including trade wars, nuclear proliferation and a US debt default (after tripling the national debt of course, that is his business strategy).
Trade benefits every consumer and the overwhelming majority of businesses.
Since the beginning of civilization, nations have grown prosperous from trade amongst nations.
HRC well recognizes the problem is not free trade but wealth and income inequality, which causes instability and low growth.
23 Americans own what the poorest 160 million Americans own.
85 people in the world own what the poorest 3.5 billion own around the world.
Some immensely wealthy people, like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, choose to give immense portions of accumulated wealth to fix problems around the globe.
But many immensely wealthy people refuse to pay even advantaged statutory tax rates and take an increasing share of income from people because they can.
Secretary Clinton is trying to fix the actual problem, not just spin the roulette wheel.
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Hillary is a big part of the problem, how dems decided to nominate someone who is the opposite of what the party has been saying for the last 10 years is really amazing.
She is totally owned by the big wall street banks, having taken 21+ million from them in just the last 2 years. The Clintons themselves have taken 10's of millions trading on their political experience sometimes at the expense of the american people....the uranium deal is an example.
The Clintons have taken more 10's of millions from many muslim majority countries that some hunt down and imprison or kill gay people and treat women like property with very few rights......all against what you hear liberals say all the while turning a blind eye to the Clintons dash for cash....akin to the womens liberation movement staying mum to all of Bills and Hillary actions against women that claimed Bill abused them.
She is totally owned by the big wall street banks, having taken 21+ million from them in just the last 2 years. The Clintons themselves have taken 10's of millions trading on their political experience sometimes at the expense of the american people....the uranium deal is an example.
The Clintons have taken more 10's of millions from many muslim majority countries that some hunt down and imprison or kill gay people and treat women like property with very few rights......all against what you hear liberals say all the while turning a blind eye to the Clintons dash for cash....akin to the womens liberation movement staying mum to all of Bills and Hillary actions against women that claimed Bill abused them.
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SHE'S A LYING TRAITOR...pretty basic. I wouldn't trust her to hold my purse. Oh...and she's a fond supporter of Saul ALINSKY...nuff said.
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If Gates is giving so much, how is it that he continues to be the richest man in the world year after year?
The most accurate image for HRC's campaign would be a windsock. This would signify that she'll take positions based upon which way the wind is blowing.
That said, I sort of feel sorry for her because she's so hemmed-in. For example, whatever she actually thinks about illegal immigration, she can't take anything but a quite liberal pro-illegal immigration stance lest she offend the base. And the trade issue is incredibly complicated these days.
If I was her, I'd try to forge this big picture vision: "American Companies are Great and so is the American Worker". The thrust would be to extol American business inventiveness, scientific patents, etc. and pledge to work with companies to do whatever it takes to protect them from unfair foreign competition, theft of intellectual property, etc. In return, American companies should do right by American workers and keep more jobs here and she's going to work to make that happen, too. How in the world she'd accomplish that in real life is completely irrelevant. It's pledging to try to do this that's important. Right now, she seems to have already thrown in the towel & accepted the Globalization Is Great kool-aid and all that entails. Her pragmatic nature has apparently decided that job losses are inevitable in our new global economy. She needs to sound like she has some sort of plan to stop it, or at least slow it down, or the election is going to be much closer than it need be.
That said, I sort of feel sorry for her because she's so hemmed-in. For example, whatever she actually thinks about illegal immigration, she can't take anything but a quite liberal pro-illegal immigration stance lest she offend the base. And the trade issue is incredibly complicated these days.
If I was her, I'd try to forge this big picture vision: "American Companies are Great and so is the American Worker". The thrust would be to extol American business inventiveness, scientific patents, etc. and pledge to work with companies to do whatever it takes to protect them from unfair foreign competition, theft of intellectual property, etc. In return, American companies should do right by American workers and keep more jobs here and she's going to work to make that happen, too. How in the world she'd accomplish that in real life is completely irrelevant. It's pledging to try to do this that's important. Right now, she seems to have already thrown in the towel & accepted the Globalization Is Great kool-aid and all that entails. Her pragmatic nature has apparently decided that job losses are inevitable in our new global economy. She needs to sound like she has some sort of plan to stop it, or at least slow it down, or the election is going to be much closer than it need be.
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You're the sort who'd feel sorry for a tarantula.
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Reading these comments one would think that the Brexit vote was a real win for the UK. The pound is down to a 35 year low, the United Kingdom is about to lose Scotland and Northern Ireland and the world markets are all reacting negatively, but, by all means let's all lose our heads and vote for a con man now. I swear if the comments section of the New York Times loses it's sanity I wont know where to turn.
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It is a big win for the UK, sure there is going to be short term pain...there always is when you have to own up to big mess and take action to fix it...but the pain they are feeling today is nothing compared to what is coming down the road.
In just the open borders aspect alone, if left unchecked will cause devastation unseen in Western Europe in modern times.
The same is going to happen in the US once Trump is elected and starts making the necessary changes to get us back on track.......it is not going to be easy or painless......but in the last 30 years no president has had the guts to be honest with the american people and instead just kicked the can down the road......making it harder for the next guy or gal.
In just the open borders aspect alone, if left unchecked will cause devastation unseen in Western Europe in modern times.
The same is going to happen in the US once Trump is elected and starts making the necessary changes to get us back on track.......it is not going to be easy or painless......but in the last 30 years no president has had the guts to be honest with the american people and instead just kicked the can down the road......making it harder for the next guy or gal.
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The fact is that all of these tings that you mention do not have much effect on the average blue collar Americans who are bearing the brunt of the "globalization" fail. Most of those things affect only the elite. How exactly is that a loss again?
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The "35 year low" of teh GB Pound is only vs. the US $. *Everything* except the Yen is down compared to the $ as everyone flees to safety. Compared to the Euro the pound is right in the middle of it's 10-yr range.
Scotland will calm down in a few weeks and realize that the N. Sea oil they have relied on for so long isn't what it used to be with prices way down and electric cars about 10 years from taking over. They cannot compete with Saudi Arabia which is selling off Aramco because they see the end of oil coming. Do they want to be the Venezuela of the North?
The EU is even more unpopular in France than England so if they leave (Frexit?) Scotland and N. Ireland will have ended up joining the 4th Reich.
Scotland will calm down in a few weeks and realize that the N. Sea oil they have relied on for so long isn't what it used to be with prices way down and electric cars about 10 years from taking over. They cannot compete with Saudi Arabia which is selling off Aramco because they see the end of oil coming. Do they want to be the Venezuela of the North?
The EU is even more unpopular in France than England so if they leave (Frexit?) Scotland and N. Ireland will have ended up joining the 4th Reich.
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Democrats want bigger and bigger government and more and more control over the people.. Gosh, I wonder if Brexit has anything at all of meaning to Hillary and friends?
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Dan--
Brexit should not have any substantial meaning to anyone as the UK goes down the tube and brings a few countries with them. No fear here--we cannot be that stupid. Plus, they are signing petitions for a new referendum as they never thought this anit EU would happen.
Following hate mongering and anti establishment is how dictators get elected.
Brexit should not have any substantial meaning to anyone as the UK goes down the tube and brings a few countries with them. No fear here--we cannot be that stupid. Plus, they are signing petitions for a new referendum as they never thought this anit EU would happen.
Following hate mongering and anti establishment is how dictators get elected.
A large percent of Sanders supporters also support Trump.
One claims to be a total socialist, and the other is an extreme capitalist who brags about having even more money than he has.
What does that tell you?
It is not any ideology that binds these two groups. It is not policy positions. It is all about fear and hatred of other races, other people who don't look like them. It is why Brexit won. It is why some dude posted in a different thread here today that he was a Sanders supporter, and he would vote for Trump (who rants about American born judges as Mexicans) and that comment got 400 likes from other Sanders supporters.
One claims to be a total socialist, and the other is an extreme capitalist who brags about having even more money than he has.
What does that tell you?
It is not any ideology that binds these two groups. It is not policy positions. It is all about fear and hatred of other races, other people who don't look like them. It is why Brexit won. It is why some dude posted in a different thread here today that he was a Sanders supporter, and he would vote for Trump (who rants about American born judges as Mexicans) and that comment got 400 likes from other Sanders supporters.
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If you're genuinely serious about Clinton winning you might want to get serious about having a more conciliatory tone. Seriously, you're going to bash a quarter of Hilary's base to win some cheap points?
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Yes, it's only about looking different...
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GOOD! It's about time THE REPUBLIC woke up! It's not about racism at all...it's about ASSIMILATION into one of the finest, free countries in THE WORLD! Buy a clue!
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Being different does not mean being better. Avoiding the status quo by adopting insanity does make change good, it just makes change. Britain didn't reject the old, it was the old that voted Britain out. The young in this country overwhelmingly oppose Trump and will demonstrate that opposition in November.
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True, but sometimes "throw the bums out" is the only choice left to us.
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Maybe, if the get off their asses and VOTE, unlike 2010 & 2014, which crippled Obama's last 6 years, especially the 2010 failure, which gave the Republicans the opportunity to gerrymander House of Represenatives & state legislators districs for the next 10 years.
Hillary's plans for our future are sensible; Donald's are hot air or half-baked such as the Wall along our border with Mexico.
Hillary's plans for our future are sensible; Donald's are hot air or half-baked such as the Wall along our border with Mexico.
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The young are too busy with their devices to vote.
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“Stronger together” is empty rhetoric. If the U.S. were not so divided along the lines of class, race and gender, perhaps the slogan would resonate with a ring of truth. But the fact remains that millions of Americans have been left behind by the bankers, hedge fund managers, and business leaders who determine economic policy with the help of the politicians and media outlets they control.
The power elite have gamed the economic system for their own benefit while ignoring the working classes. They tanked the economy with predatory loans, let the nation’s infrastructure crumble, and starved the education system. They don’t pay enough in taxes and they rely on foreign wars to help with the bottom line.
Hillary Clinton is the only candidate to campaign on protecting the status quo while promoting the racial and gender divide for her own political self-aggrandizement. Her divisive rhetoric and support of the Wall Street banks responsible for decimating the economy will not make us stronger. Her platform will only exacerbate the divide.
The power elite have gamed the economic system for their own benefit while ignoring the working classes. They tanked the economy with predatory loans, let the nation’s infrastructure crumble, and starved the education system. They don’t pay enough in taxes and they rely on foreign wars to help with the bottom line.
Hillary Clinton is the only candidate to campaign on protecting the status quo while promoting the racial and gender divide for her own political self-aggrandizement. Her divisive rhetoric and support of the Wall Street banks responsible for decimating the economy will not make us stronger. Her platform will only exacerbate the divide.
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There is no mention of moral hazard where the ruling class, i.e. the rich, make the laws for themselves which make them richer. Weren't Brexit deceivers much the same people who get themselves a tax breaks and only toss a bone to everyone else only when compelled to. We have to move Hillary away from the 1% and to the center. She was a vey hard worker as Senator and Secretary of State.
Hillary Clinton is not trying to maintain the status quo. She has said we need to strengthen bank regulations to include shadow banking. She is not a member of any financial institution so don't try to lump her in with every unscrupulous lender or hedge-fund manager.
She has plans to improve the lives of working people and their families through family leave, raising the minimum wage, making college affordable, essentially, a progressive agenda -- just not as radical as Sanders.
You might want to educate yourself about what Ms. Clinton is proposing by reading what is posted on her website before accusing her of not being willing to challenge the status quo.
She has plans to improve the lives of working people and their families through family leave, raising the minimum wage, making college affordable, essentially, a progressive agenda -- just not as radical as Sanders.
You might want to educate yourself about what Ms. Clinton is proposing by reading what is posted on her website before accusing her of not being willing to challenge the status quo.
You blame everyone except for the politicians that put in place the practices that led to our terrible recession and shrinking of our middle class. The bankers did not act without the pressure of politicians telling them to approve loans for unapprovable home buyers. I'm not saying they didn't take advantage of the situation. I am saying that without the politicians, it would have never happened.
"Reasonableness, not resentment." That sounds so patronizing and naive.
Hillary and the NYT need to work at tapping into that resentment by listening. When we feel you get it, many of us are looking for help with reasonable ways to fight effectively against the forces that have produced so much frustration.
Our government let us down in 2008. In the wake of the enormous pain caused by inadequate regulatory actions and catering to the greedy on Wall Street, our government responded with austerity and meanness. Our infrastructure is decaying and not keeping up with our needs. State funding remains anemic as federal funds dried up. College tuition keeps going up, as does student debt and the cost of prescriptions, etc.
Hillary wrote a book called "It Takes a Village to Raise a Child". Yes, and a safety net too. How many of us are supporting family members who can't make it because of mental illness, drug addiction, student debt and not enough good jobs, worn out bodies, an inadequate education and no attainable way to get one?
Hillary, please stop taking money from wealthy donors. Please, talk about and vow to fight the causes of dysfunction in our Congress. Make us believe taxes can be raised on the rich and compassion can be restored. Make us believe you are ready to part with and take on those aspects of of the Establishment that are the problem. Help us feel your understanding and commitment, if it's there.
Hillary and the NYT need to work at tapping into that resentment by listening. When we feel you get it, many of us are looking for help with reasonable ways to fight effectively against the forces that have produced so much frustration.
Our government let us down in 2008. In the wake of the enormous pain caused by inadequate regulatory actions and catering to the greedy on Wall Street, our government responded with austerity and meanness. Our infrastructure is decaying and not keeping up with our needs. State funding remains anemic as federal funds dried up. College tuition keeps going up, as does student debt and the cost of prescriptions, etc.
Hillary wrote a book called "It Takes a Village to Raise a Child". Yes, and a safety net too. How many of us are supporting family members who can't make it because of mental illness, drug addiction, student debt and not enough good jobs, worn out bodies, an inadequate education and no attainable way to get one?
Hillary, please stop taking money from wealthy donors. Please, talk about and vow to fight the causes of dysfunction in our Congress. Make us believe taxes can be raised on the rich and compassion can be restored. Make us believe you are ready to part with and take on those aspects of of the Establishment that are the problem. Help us feel your understanding and commitment, if it's there.
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it's not there. obviously it is not there and never has been. she's a corporate lawyer and power broker, not a public servant.
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As I recall we actually had a candidate who took no money from wealthy donors. And who challenged the Establishment. But the DNC chose Clinton instead. Clinton's a poster child for corporate greed and political corruption. She's 100% bought and sold. Hillary, please stop being Hillary? Let's try turning lead into gold while we're at it. That would be easier.
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"Hillary, please stop taking money from wealthy donors. Please, talk about and vow to fight the causes of dysfunction in our Congress. Make us believe taxes can be raised on the rich and compassion can be restored. Make us believe you are ready to part with and take on those aspects of of the Establishment that are the problem. Help us feel your understanding and commitment, if it's there."
Why on earth would you feel that Hillary could change her stripes, become a totally different person than she is, than she has been all of her life? Do you want a story-teller, someone who can make you "believe" such things to be true (until November, at least!) or someone with integrity who would deliver them? There is a huge difference.
Why on earth would you feel that Hillary could change her stripes, become a totally different person than she is, than she has been all of her life? Do you want a story-teller, someone who can make you "believe" such things to be true (until November, at least!) or someone with integrity who would deliver them? There is a huge difference.
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I go from maybe to Clinton to maybe for Trump to just going fishing that day. I may vote Gary Johnson but then again I'm annoyed at the collusion between the DNC and Clinton that is apparently shown through the leaks from Guccifer 2.0. Trump's not my kind of thing. But he would be the ultimate rebellion vote. Clinton would at least attack Assad and this would start the much needed conflict between Russia and the US. Then again..I just don't like Clinton. I'm a pretty laissez faire capitalist and I voted for Sanders in the primary. Of course by the time the primary happened the decision was already made; heck apparently according to the Gufficier 2.0 leaks the decision was already made even before the primaries began. Johnson won't win so even going to the polls is almost not worth it except for the local elections that my individual vote means more. Going fishing that day if it's a nice day is appealing. I guess if the weather is bad I'll go vote..
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I should of wrote the beginning a little better.
"I may vote Gary Johnson but then again I'm annoyed at the collusion between the DNC and Clinton that is apparently shown through the leaks from Guccifer 2.0. Trump's not my kind of thing."
"I may vote Gary Johnson but then again I'm annoyed at the collusion between the DNC and Clinton that is apparently shown through the leaks from Guccifer 2.0 thus I may vote Trump. Trump's not my kind of thing."
"I may vote Gary Johnson but then again I'm annoyed at the collusion between the DNC and Clinton that is apparently shown through the leaks from Guccifer 2.0. Trump's not my kind of thing."
"I may vote Gary Johnson but then again I'm annoyed at the collusion between the DNC and Clinton that is apparently shown through the leaks from Guccifer 2.0 thus I may vote Trump. Trump's not my kind of thing."
I think a lot of us feel the same quandary you've described.
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You're voting Trump. Man-up and face it. You'll feel better. :)
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Hillary is utterly boring.
In the short term her identification with the status quo — while not exactly political suicide — at best elicits little more than a yawn and, worse, anger that places her squarely in the crosshairs.
Party allegiances meant little to either Trump or Bernie voters, each of whom is a far cry from the prototypical Republican or Democrat but they connected viscerally with disparate voting blocs disgusted with the same old same old.
In this election cycle the unofficial but unbowed and unapologetic party of the middle finger has pointed its anger at a system it sees failing at every turn. The spotlight been much more on feelings than reasoned arguments.
However, the repercussions of the Brexit will soon be obvious. The pound dropped almost 8% against the dollar on Friday. The foreigners whom the Leave voters disdain will soon be buying British real estate at a huge discount. And if forecasts for zero economic growth in Britain pan out, then the hangover from Thursday’s celebration will have the weary and battered Brits looking sheepishly and hopefully for a cure-all of common sense.
In America, as a stand-in for stability Hillary will look better than ever.
In the short term her identification with the status quo — while not exactly political suicide — at best elicits little more than a yawn and, worse, anger that places her squarely in the crosshairs.
Party allegiances meant little to either Trump or Bernie voters, each of whom is a far cry from the prototypical Republican or Democrat but they connected viscerally with disparate voting blocs disgusted with the same old same old.
In this election cycle the unofficial but unbowed and unapologetic party of the middle finger has pointed its anger at a system it sees failing at every turn. The spotlight been much more on feelings than reasoned arguments.
However, the repercussions of the Brexit will soon be obvious. The pound dropped almost 8% against the dollar on Friday. The foreigners whom the Leave voters disdain will soon be buying British real estate at a huge discount. And if forecasts for zero economic growth in Britain pan out, then the hangover from Thursday’s celebration will have the weary and battered Brits looking sheepishly and hopefully for a cure-all of common sense.
In America, as a stand-in for stability Hillary will look better than ever.
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Good luck with that......many financial people have been predicting a massive move in the worlds financials......this might just be the spark to start it but it has been long overdue.
On the economy Trump is trusted by a wide margin over Hillary.....if economic chaos ensues it will only drive more voters to Trump over Hillary who told her supporters that her plan was to bring Bill back.......what a sexist thing to say......does she really think that women aren't capable of making good economic plans?
You Hillary supporters can continue to twist and turn the facts to try and make Hillary look good but each day that is getting hard to do.
On the economy Trump is trusted by a wide margin over Hillary.....if economic chaos ensues it will only drive more voters to Trump over Hillary who told her supporters that her plan was to bring Bill back.......what a sexist thing to say......does she really think that women aren't capable of making good economic plans?
You Hillary supporters can continue to twist and turn the facts to try and make Hillary look good but each day that is getting hard to do.
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Try again.
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The tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to be free are already in the U.S. President Obama's intellectual bent does not touch their souls. Hillary is not an inspiring candidate. Only Trump speaks to their fears.
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I suggest she pick Elizabeth Warren as VP and offer to give back all bank contributions (if they thought it would buy them influence).
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These are the comments I find most strange. Just a week or so ago it was pick Bernie Sanders. He and Clinton stood for exactly the opposite. The same with Warren. Clinton has really pigeon holed herself with her situation about picking running mates. This has been the Hillary Clinton show the entire time. It's been nothing about country or people she associates with. The only reason she is in the place she is in, is due to collusion and big money. That's it. For anyone that thinks otherwise, you're delusional or in complete denial. He nomination is perhaps, the least democratic event in modern history (I checked). It's an absurd abuse of politics. What happens in 14 months if she wins? Does it come out on all the front pages there were rampant corruption of kick backs, etc, just like De Blasio? How do you think De Blasio even won as mayor? Via an astoundingly undemocratic win. Virtually no one voted for the guy. That whole story is yet to play out. Point being, Clinton is going to have a really hard time filling out her cabinet and I can't think of a single person that would mesh well with her as president. Unlike Trump who could pick Ben Carson, Rudy Guliani, Christie, and these are just a few of the obvious names.
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That's a great idea! And if they don't win the should do a sit-in at the White House!
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Really NYC, you checked? So what rules were changed this time around for Hillary to win? Was it having the person who got 4 million more votes being chosen that was unfair? Wa it the person who won. The most states being chosen? Was it the person with the most pledged delegates (without the supersede gates)? Tell us what you checked. I stand to be corrected.
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Establishment, globalization, free trade, elites, etc etc are all code words to hide the latent and not so latent racism, xenophobia of all these voters - those who voted for Sanders, Trump, Brexit. They are mostly white, most of them uneducated, and most of them hate folks who don't look like them, talk like them, and think like them.
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To be honest, your comment shows your own prejudice. Things are not going Ms. Clinton's way, and blaming people who are "white and uneducated". Ms. Clinton has brought this on herself by ignoring the real problems in this country. She is responsible fro her campaign, not the voter.
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Speak for yourself. This has nothing to do with support for Bernie.
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Boy, you couldn't be more wrong about Bernie's supporters.
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It is still not too late to Nominate Sanders.
The latest news is that a class-action suit is being filed against Clinton's DNC for misappropriation of campaign funds - improperly channeling given to the DNC the money to her campaign evading limits on contributions. Since you cannot expect Obama's people to undercut his choice, it was necessary to go the civil route and sue for the misused money.
The Sanders camp wrote a warning letter about a month ago, but HRC and company just ignored it. It looks like greed and arrogance will bring HRC down.
The latest news is that a class-action suit is being filed against Clinton's DNC for misappropriation of campaign funds - improperly channeling given to the DNC the money to her campaign evading limits on contributions. Since you cannot expect Obama's people to undercut his choice, it was necessary to go the civil route and sue for the misused money.
The Sanders camp wrote a warning letter about a month ago, but HRC and company just ignored it. It looks like greed and arrogance will bring HRC down.
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FYI, Neither Ms. Clinton or Mr. Sanders have enough pledge delegates. Ms. Clinton has the presumptive nomination based on super-delegates So, in theory, a change is possible, but, not likely.
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Hillary paid a lot of money for those super delegates, and dammit, she intends to use them.
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@Nick Metrowskyy: Why don't you Sanders supporters understand that the number of delegates needed to win includes the Super-delegates? So she has that majority (half of all delegates + 1). If you don't want to count super-delegates then the total number of delegates needed to win decreases by the subtraction of all super-delegates and she still has the majority (half +1) of all pledged delegates. This is why we say that Sanders' supporters don't understand simple math. If you don't count super-delegates THEN YOU DON'T COUNT THEM AT ALL!
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For Hillary to win in November she will have to become Bernie.
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Isn't going to happen.
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Or settle on Bernie as her running mate.
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Maggi, even less likely.
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"(Democrats) also said (that unlike in the US) many British voters were revolting against a bureaucracy in Brussels that they regarded as bloated, overpaid and prone to interfering in the affairs of sovereign countries."
Hmmm. Perhaps not so very different from here. Sounds a lot like Washington DC to me.
Hmmm. Perhaps not so very different from here. Sounds a lot like Washington DC to me.
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The people have spoken so Hillary will change her stance again and claim she is with the people. Hillary has no conviction to be a leader or President. She will pander to whichever group that gets her votes.
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"Is it working?"
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We can hear her now, "As I have been saying all along....."
Personally, I cannot imagine hearing her voice and her 'told-you-so' rhetorical devices after July. To think of her speaking for us for the next 4 years is utterly depressing.
Obviously, not nearly as depressing or alarming as Trump, which is why the events between now and the convention loom so large for the future of our politics....
Personally, I cannot imagine hearing her voice and her 'told-you-so' rhetorical devices after July. To think of her speaking for us for the next 4 years is utterly depressing.
Obviously, not nearly as depressing or alarming as Trump, which is why the events between now and the convention loom so large for the future of our politics....
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So, you're claiming that Hillary will hear what the people are saying and respond to it and adjust and this is bad?
Hillary says: whatever you do, don't rock the boat. keep a steady path . . . straight to the glue factory. the elitist, globalist establishment types are on the run as well they should be
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And who is actually going to suffer in the UK? You are so willing to hurt the lower classes to make some sort of point. Do you think they would pat you on the back if you told them "Ya, you're going to suffer, but at least we gave the finger to the elites". How is that going to put bread on their table, or pay their bills
When Trump says: "It is a good thing, it will be short term inconvenience", it is much like saying a burning house is a "good thing", a short term thing and in the long term they would have their own Mar-a-largo or whatever.
Scotts want independence, Irish are upset. Londoners may want out. It is a good thing.
In Trump, we have our own Nero who fiddles to his own fanciful thinking, off the cuff.
Scotts want independence, Irish are upset. Londoners may want out. It is a good thing.
In Trump, we have our own Nero who fiddles to his own fanciful thinking, off the cuff.
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The UK is a small country desperately trying to hold onto an aged appearance of some type of grand empire. In the new world, Scotland and Ireland should have the right to self determination. In the coming age of the welfare state largely populated states will be at a disadvantage as they must care for their populations and smaller nations (like the one the UK is becoming) who invest in eduction and protect their own economy and way of life while not having to pay out a large "nanny state tax" will be the winners
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Hilary Clinton should ask, "Which revolution in recent years has worked out?"
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Hank Paulson just threw in his support for Hillary. Must have been some good speeches. Oops, I forgot - Hillary fans think the speeches don't matter.
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Brexit reveals that Hillary is in serious trouble. There is a developing tsunami of popular opposition to the American-constructed established order that is sweeping the world. Interestingly, the popular rebellion against the West's ineffectual institutions began to gain momentum in Afghanistan and Iraq in the early 2000s.
The Islamist insurgents revealed that the "mighty" West and its liberal institutions could be defeated by lowly, technologically-primitive armies. The West wasted trillions, and further impoverished their own people, in its botched efforts to democratize those two Middle Eastern countries. Then, Katrina in 2005, the financial collapse of 2008, the Arab Spring, the failed interventions in Libya and Syria, the European refugee crisis, and the collapse of American governance during the Bush and Obama administrations have further persuaded the masses that neo-liberalism deserves to be placed on the ash heap of history.
Look for the unraveling to continue. China is going to challenge the order in the coming weeks in the South China Sea. Russia is going to step up its efforts in Syria and the Ukraine and possibly in the Baltics. North Korea will push against the U.S. over the placement of the THAAD system in South Korea.
Hillary represents the old order. What will emerge - particularly what new ideology will guide the West - remains to be seen. The global order hasn't seen a similar disintegration since the 1930s. We're entering a dangerous era.
The Islamist insurgents revealed that the "mighty" West and its liberal institutions could be defeated by lowly, technologically-primitive armies. The West wasted trillions, and further impoverished their own people, in its botched efforts to democratize those two Middle Eastern countries. Then, Katrina in 2005, the financial collapse of 2008, the Arab Spring, the failed interventions in Libya and Syria, the European refugee crisis, and the collapse of American governance during the Bush and Obama administrations have further persuaded the masses that neo-liberalism deserves to be placed on the ash heap of history.
Look for the unraveling to continue. China is going to challenge the order in the coming weeks in the South China Sea. Russia is going to step up its efforts in Syria and the Ukraine and possibly in the Baltics. North Korea will push against the U.S. over the placement of the THAAD system in South Korea.
Hillary represents the old order. What will emerge - particularly what new ideology will guide the West - remains to be seen. The global order hasn't seen a similar disintegration since the 1930s. We're entering a dangerous era.
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And to top it all off....the sky is falling.
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Wow I thought Vietnam proved that a Superpower could be defeated by a more primitive army? Chicken Little must have been a forefather. It is likely that Brexit will not change things as much as we think they will. It is likely that Euro Nations will make changes by encouraging wage inflation and creating jobs. One hopes that future elections in Britain will lead to a more skeptical electorate who will ask more questions. Frankly, I don't buy the End Times argument at all. The political winds blow one way then another.
Comparing a presidential election to a Referendum is ridiculous. Trump stands for nothing. He makes W. Look effective and prepared. At least W let other people who knew more than him (even if they were misguided) give him direction. Don Trump is inept and the American Electorate will see this and will not vote him in. Sanders Supporters will support Hillary in greater numbers than other Republican supporters will support Trump. The American Electorate is not so childish and ill-informed to vote Trump in; the American Electorate is not the Republican Primary Electorate. It is these End of Times, Childish and misinformed voters that voted for Trump. America is better than that. Let Keep America Great and injure it with Trump!
Comparing a presidential election to a Referendum is ridiculous. Trump stands for nothing. He makes W. Look effective and prepared. At least W let other people who knew more than him (even if they were misguided) give him direction. Don Trump is inept and the American Electorate will see this and will not vote him in. Sanders Supporters will support Hillary in greater numbers than other Republican supporters will support Trump. The American Electorate is not so childish and ill-informed to vote Trump in; the American Electorate is not the Republican Primary Electorate. It is these End of Times, Childish and misinformed voters that voted for Trump. America is better than that. Let Keep America Great and injure it with Trump!
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The sad truth is the sky is falling.
We are acting like Bagdad Bob.
We are acting like Bagdad Bob.
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this is ridiuclous. trump's proposals just tanked Great Brtain, so of course
this means it's bad for HRC>
no matter what happens everything is good for Trump. see how Britain looks
in a month or two.
this is just rubbish
this means it's bad for HRC>
no matter what happens everything is good for Trump. see how Britain looks
in a month or two.
this is just rubbish
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Do you seriously think that Trump was the reason for the Brexit?
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The social compact which protected great wealth in countries like the US, UK, and much of the EU -- an acquiescent people who accepted great inequality -- was bought, albeit reluctantly, by sharing some of the benefits of wealth with the majority. That compact is now broken. Wealth no longer feels it needs the protection of any people. The Cold War has been won, and wealth is free to go anywhere, and get away from workers and laws which are costly. The Cold War was always about making sure that there is no alternative to capitalism. More than Communism, the threats that had to be destroyed were independent movements for democratic sovereignty -- from Guatemala and Iran in the 1950s, to Greece only a year ago. The goal has always been a business-friendly world, safe for the globalization we have today. In the past, when markets and production were mainly nation-bound, workers could organize, and use the state to get a better deal from capital. Now people who previously thought they were secure, are pitted against immigrants, and workers elsewhere. But it is too late for them to be saved by shutting borders.
If we are to survive, we need a new kind of globalization: to combat global warming, to live within the planet's resource limits, and to prevent the displacement of populations. Capitalist incentives work against these survival goals.
Mrs. Clinton will only learn that lesson after she realizes that she and the people around her are not in control of the game.
If we are to survive, we need a new kind of globalization: to combat global warming, to live within the planet's resource limits, and to prevent the displacement of populations. Capitalist incentives work against these survival goals.
Mrs. Clinton will only learn that lesson after she realizes that she and the people around her are not in control of the game.
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Thank you for this astute comment. "In control of the game" is exactly what voters in the U.K. and Kansas feel that they are not.
Now the power of the people cannot be dismissed. Legitimate grievances, unaddressed, have consequences. Unfortunately there is no business-as-usual solution. Even if Clinton lands the Presidency, there is no safe harbor. The political climate for the next election will be even stormier (as will the atmospheric climate) unless underlying issues are addressed.
What must we do to get out of the trap we are in? Do we need to experience another financial meltdown (following Brexit) to make clear that old answers are bankrupt? Or can we think our way into a better future before we are ruined again? Real needs require real answers. So what do we need?
A sustainable world would allow people to live in place, not wrench them away from their homes and cultures. This cannot be done overnight, but we must start moving in the right direction -- away from disintegration. Building economies to live within global resource limits will take generations. It will take labor trained for new tasks, and new technologies (whose availability must not be held back to profit patent-holders). Building the economy that we need will shift the distribution of income towards real productive actors -- labor, innovators, organizers -- and away from the engineers of financial products and illusions.
A program based in meeting real needs no longer represents an idealistic goal. It is a minimum requirement for the survival of peace and democracy in Europe, the U.S., and other centers of concentrated wealth.
What must we do to get out of the trap we are in? Do we need to experience another financial meltdown (following Brexit) to make clear that old answers are bankrupt? Or can we think our way into a better future before we are ruined again? Real needs require real answers. So what do we need?
A sustainable world would allow people to live in place, not wrench them away from their homes and cultures. This cannot be done overnight, but we must start moving in the right direction -- away from disintegration. Building economies to live within global resource limits will take generations. It will take labor trained for new tasks, and new technologies (whose availability must not be held back to profit patent-holders). Building the economy that we need will shift the distribution of income towards real productive actors -- labor, innovators, organizers -- and away from the engineers of financial products and illusions.
A program based in meeting real needs no longer represents an idealistic goal. It is a minimum requirement for the survival of peace and democracy in Europe, the U.S., and other centers of concentrated wealth.
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Bernard - thank for your articulate words of wisdom; from your lips to God's ears. May those in power heed your words.
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There is going to be another financial melt down. You can't just keep printing money or simply moving the dots( i don't think you can print that much money literally forever. How long, i don't know. Is electing Donald Trump or Hillary going to fix this. I don't think so.
Electing Donald Trump we may have a small chance of coming out of this crash that is coming. Electing Hillary we have a better chance of pushing off the crash for a very short time, but it will be worse when it happens.
Greece, Spain, Portugal on simply on the verge of collapse. France will not be for behind.
When Obama was elected and took office he trash the economy so bad that the federal reserve had no choice but to create money to keep us alive. Unfornately most of this money went to Wall street and trickle down to a few to keep us alive.
What the big Banks did with these derivatives that cause all this trouble was criminal and a lot of people should have gone to jail.
Electing Donald Trump we may have a small chance of coming out of this crash that is coming. Electing Hillary we have a better chance of pushing off the crash for a very short time, but it will be worse when it happens.
Greece, Spain, Portugal on simply on the verge of collapse. France will not be for behind.
When Obama was elected and took office he trash the economy so bad that the federal reserve had no choice but to create money to keep us alive. Unfornately most of this money went to Wall street and trickle down to a few to keep us alive.
What the big Banks did with these derivatives that cause all this trouble was criminal and a lot of people should have gone to jail.
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That's pretty much Bernie's platform.
Bernie Sanders painted Hillary as the "Establishment" and it seems to have stuck. Bernie, however, was the establishment member, 26 years in congress, all his working adult life in politics. Nothing of substance to show for that. But somehow, he convinced people that he was the messiah.
He is the liar and charlatan not Hillary. History will prove that, let's just hope it's not too late for the electorate to recover from the Burn and learn that Democrats have been trying to do what they want now for three decades, but the low information voters keep electing Republicans and messing up progress.
He is the liar and charlatan not Hillary. History will prove that, let's just hope it's not too late for the electorate to recover from the Burn and learn that Democrats have been trying to do what they want now for three decades, but the low information voters keep electing Republicans and messing up progress.
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You know, your5 comment is off base. Why? It has nothing to do with Sanders. Everything was the doing of Ms. Clinton. She ran on "status quo". She painted herself into a corner. She dismissed voter anger. An article like this shows how she played it the wrong way. If anything, if she would have embraced Mr. Sanders ideas, from the beginning, then she would not be perceived as "establishment". Again, she did this to herself.
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Almost all of Bernie's "ideas" are already part of the Democratic Platform. Now he can go to Philadelphia and claim he created it.... and his zealots will believe that.
BTW, the man behind Brexit has already admitted that a lot of what that side said was not true. He says that if people believed it, it is their fault for not finding out his side were lying.
BTW, the man behind Brexit has already admitted that a lot of what that side said was not true. He says that if people believed it, it is their fault for not finding out his side were lying.
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By no possible stretch of the imagination is Bernie a liar or a charlatan. But keep spewing this and drive more of his supporters to Trump. Well done.
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Hillary is a plodder, why not it has always worked before, but America does not need a plodder it needs a reworking (Sanders theme: A Future to Believe In carried that message well enough). The DNC has a chance in the party platform to come alive to what has happened in the last thirty years cheering on progressive recommendations and better take it. It may not thinking the threat of TRUMP will be enough; it may not if too many leave the top of the ballot blank as I would do.
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Is everyone so quick to forget what happened in the Canadian election last year? Similar issues, very different outcome. A right-wing victory is not a foregone conclusion in North America.
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Canadians rejected the policies of the conservative government. They grew weary of the Conservative Party trying to model Canada on the United States. And they did not buy trickledown economics. They wanted change and voted Labour in to do so.
You cannot say, well vote fro Clinton and you get Trudeau; that is not going to happen. Ms. Clinton is a right of center Democrat. If it was 1968, she would be a Republican.
Voters are angry at the "staus quo" and want change. Sanders would have been the choice to be like what happen in Canada. But, the only change candidate is Mr. Trump. The Democrats did not want change, they wanted power and elect a woman to the presidency. And decided not to seriously address the issue that are the root of voter anger.
Again, Ms Clinton is in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
You cannot say, well vote fro Clinton and you get Trudeau; that is not going to happen. Ms. Clinton is a right of center Democrat. If it was 1968, she would be a Republican.
Voters are angry at the "staus quo" and want change. Sanders would have been the choice to be like what happen in Canada. But, the only change candidate is Mr. Trump. The Democrats did not want change, they wanted power and elect a woman to the presidency. And decided not to seriously address the issue that are the root of voter anger.
Again, Ms Clinton is in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
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Small correction: Canadians voted "Liberal" (that's the slur word in the US).
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Not really -- the Liberal Party is the centrist party in Canada. Most of those we call 'liberals' in the US are really just 'neoliberals'.
Fortunately for Trump she represents what the citizens don't like most about Washington--more of the same.
How does she distance herself from what she has so strategically and enthusiastically embraced her whole political life--Little Rock to present day--in the face of all the relentless bad baggage that seems to follow every footstep, everyday?
November is a very long walk, especially for dragging so much through media and states the entire time.
Stay tuned. This ought to be quite the flip and hat-trick with everyone watching, too.
How does she distance herself from what she has so strategically and enthusiastically embraced her whole political life--Little Rock to present day--in the face of all the relentless bad baggage that seems to follow every footstep, everyday?
November is a very long walk, especially for dragging so much through media and states the entire time.
Stay tuned. This ought to be quite the flip and hat-trick with everyone watching, too.
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A lsort of interesting psycho-social talk about slogans.
Where is the discussion of issues that is so sorely missing with Trump and so cloudy in Hillary's commitments? Is this because Trump cannot discuss issues in depth and Hillary cannot be trusted to commit to the issues she does discuss?
If so I would like a newspaper to present an evenhanded discussion of Trade and Investment and Labor Markets by an unbiased economics professor or two who could discuss these new issues of "Elites" and left-behind middle class.
Where is the discussion of issues that is so sorely missing with Trump and so cloudy in Hillary's commitments? Is this because Trump cannot discuss issues in depth and Hillary cannot be trusted to commit to the issues she does discuss?
If so I would like a newspaper to present an evenhanded discussion of Trade and Investment and Labor Markets by an unbiased economics professor or two who could discuss these new issues of "Elites" and left-behind middle class.
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HRC's promises and proposals can be summed up in four words: More of the same.
The American public is fed up. Trump is a blowhard, with no plans, no programs, nothing but thoughtless bluster. But he promises "change" and that is winning the hearts of many.
HRC has to offer change. Very explicit change, not just vacuous declarations of intent, Trump has the corner on that commodity. Else, we have a dismal future ahead -- whichever of these two attains the White House.
The American public is fed up. Trump is a blowhard, with no plans, no programs, nothing but thoughtless bluster. But he promises "change" and that is winning the hearts of many.
HRC has to offer change. Very explicit change, not just vacuous declarations of intent, Trump has the corner on that commodity. Else, we have a dismal future ahead -- whichever of these two attains the White House.
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The majority of Americans approve of President Obama. He has some of the best numbers of any two term president. So more of the same is actually a winning message!
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Never Happen!
Obama is not running for a third term and Hillary is not Obama (especially in the one area the President has most control over - foreign policy). If anything, her intervention-first, regime-changing itchy trigger finger is closer to Bush-Cheney than Obama, as evidenced by the flocking of Bush-Cheney neocons like Bob Kagan and Max Boot to the Hillary campaign.
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Brexit's Trumpian appeal to nativism and nationalism will undeniably devastate the UK economy, the value of British assets, standards of living, and the 340,000 businesses that rely on trade with the EU.
But Brexit will serve as a case study of what would happen to the US if people were so ill-advised as to listen to the advice of the king of bankruptcy Donald Trump.
Brexit will illustrate the value of trade to an economy's vibrancy, and the value of attracting immigrants to a nation, as the percentage of prime age workers decline in economies around the globe.
Sadly, Japan is another case study of what happens to an economy when the population ages and immigrants are prevented from entry to any significant extent.
Japan has lived in a low growth, low interest rate economy for the last 25 years. It has the highest developed sovereign debt to GDP ratio in the world at 230%.
The workforce is not large enough to grow faster than the growth rate of debt, despite the low interest rates, and greater resources will be needed to care for the elderly.
The United States thrived by accepting immigrants from around the world to its shores and experienced extraordinary growth rates for centuries as a result.
But every new wave of immigrants created a backlash of bigotry and discrimination from those more established.
People want change, but change can be for better or worse.
Brexit and Trumpism are ignorant choices that only lead to worse outcomes.
But Brexit will serve as a case study of what would happen to the US if people were so ill-advised as to listen to the advice of the king of bankruptcy Donald Trump.
Brexit will illustrate the value of trade to an economy's vibrancy, and the value of attracting immigrants to a nation, as the percentage of prime age workers decline in economies around the globe.
Sadly, Japan is another case study of what happens to an economy when the population ages and immigrants are prevented from entry to any significant extent.
Japan has lived in a low growth, low interest rate economy for the last 25 years. It has the highest developed sovereign debt to GDP ratio in the world at 230%.
The workforce is not large enough to grow faster than the growth rate of debt, despite the low interest rates, and greater resources will be needed to care for the elderly.
The United States thrived by accepting immigrants from around the world to its shores and experienced extraordinary growth rates for centuries as a result.
But every new wave of immigrants created a backlash of bigotry and discrimination from those more established.
People want change, but change can be for better or worse.
Brexit and Trumpism are ignorant choices that only lead to worse outcomes.
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By far the wisest comment I've seen all day.
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Hot air with as much substance. "King of bankruptcy" indeed.
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A very interesting comment. Funny, from very personal observation I can tell you that Japan has learned they need immigrants.
The company I work for in Myanmar is owned by a couple, she is Myanmar, he is Japanese. They have two businesses. One is the English school I teach in. The other is a language school/employment agency to send Myanmar people to work in Japan. They learn Japanese here, and then the company places them with companies in Japan. And I'm not talking low wage jobs. Myanmar people are for the most part very intelligent and good at languages (my 6th graders here are far better than my university students in China).
One of the Japanese teachers lives in the same house as I do. He's exhausted. Business is booming. Major Japanese companies are constantly coming to visit to recruit more immigrant workers.
The company I work for in Myanmar is owned by a couple, she is Myanmar, he is Japanese. They have two businesses. One is the English school I teach in. The other is a language school/employment agency to send Myanmar people to work in Japan. They learn Japanese here, and then the company places them with companies in Japan. And I'm not talking low wage jobs. Myanmar people are for the most part very intelligent and good at languages (my 6th graders here are far better than my university students in China).
One of the Japanese teachers lives in the same house as I do. He's exhausted. Business is booming. Major Japanese companies are constantly coming to visit to recruit more immigrant workers.
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So this is the world we live in how? Where people truly embrace simplistic marketing memes like Mr. Trump's, like they do ad slogans for toothpaste and pharmaceuticals? Has the devaluing of education led us here? Or is it the prevalence of toxic media and the steady, drumbeat of people like Rush and Coulter? The GOP has done all it can to undermine public education here at home, but they certainly didn't work that magic in England. Perhaps the underclass was once held under control by unions, who helped focus their anger and resentment, but which are not almost completely powerless?
Meanwhile, the article about the number of "What is the EU" Google searches is stunning.
My only hope is that truth and intelligence will triumph and that voters will take the lesson of the Brexit to heart -- and realize that following a modern day "Madame Defarge" will do on one any good.
Meanwhile, the article about the number of "What is the EU" Google searches is stunning.
My only hope is that truth and intelligence will triumph and that voters will take the lesson of the Brexit to heart -- and realize that following a modern day "Madame Defarge" will do on one any good.
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You are almost right on one thing. Our education system. It's has been dummy downed for years in search of the all elusive 'total equality'. GOP? Think again. Think Gruber.
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Bingo! Right on target Clyde. The drumbeat march toward the dumbing of America, along with the demise of union jobs and its representation is a direct shift of capital to the rich. It's all about wages and the middle class, through division and self-centered devises, are complicit with those who work actively against them, namely the GOP and Blue dog democrats.
Democrats are clueless about the working middle class. Democrats are owned lock, stock and barrel by the money people.
The only hope for working class people is to vote for Donald Trump.
The only hope for working class people is to vote for Donald Trump.
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People are unemployed from losing manufacturing jobs and we are bringing in computer programmers on H-1B visas.
What is wrong with this picture?
What is wrong with this picture?
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that is right
I have not been able to find a job for three years but companies go overseas to replace me.
why
because they are cheap and want get out of the third world place they are in for it sck to be there and not here
I have not been able to find a job for three years but companies go overseas to replace me.
why
because they are cheap and want get out of the third world place they are in for it sck to be there and not here
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And, in a way, this is Brexit in a nut shell. And, Ms. Clinton is part of what is seen as contributing to unfair trade deals. It was her, soon to be in charge of the economy, Bill Clinton, who made it much easier to import cheap labor and off shore it.
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@Nick
Of course Republicans would never support those trade deals. (NAFTA was started by H.W. Bush. He just didn't get to sign it into law.)
The Republicans are always busy worrying about the little guy instead of Wall St. and corporate America?
Just look at the numbers in all the Republican budgets for corporate taxes for social security?
So until we get Bernie, Clinton is still better than Trump / Ryan.
Of course Republicans would never support those trade deals. (NAFTA was started by H.W. Bush. He just didn't get to sign it into law.)
The Republicans are always busy worrying about the little guy instead of Wall St. and corporate America?
Just look at the numbers in all the Republican budgets for corporate taxes for social security?
So until we get Bernie, Clinton is still better than Trump / Ryan.
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An awful lot of people know that Hillary is corrupt, dishonest and has no integrity, and scant accomplishments other than using her positions to enrich herself, Bill and Chelsea. But then, amazingly, a lot of people will vote for her anyway. These are bizarre times.
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Trump is Corrupt come on he is being charged with Racketeering!
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With two such unpalatable candidates, one of whom is going to win, some of us will HOLD OUR NOSES and vote AGAINST Donald Trump (which means for the lesser of two evils, HRC).
Trump is so unacceptable that one hardly has a choice. The man is an egotistical megalomaniac, who has zero fundamental understanding of how government works, other than giving him tax abatements.
Not voting is simply unthinkable. I am not letting somebody else decide for me by my failure to express an opinion.
Trump is so unacceptable that one hardly has a choice. The man is an egotistical megalomaniac, who has zero fundamental understanding of how government works, other than giving him tax abatements.
Not voting is simply unthinkable. I am not letting somebody else decide for me by my failure to express an opinion.
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A lot of low-information voters THINK that, because they'll believe anything they hear often enough.
Donald J Trump sure thought she (and Bill) were great up until he threw his cap into the ring.
Donald J Trump sure thought she (and Bill) were great up until he threw his cap into the ring.
From where I sit, Hillary Clinton is on the wrong side of the immigration issue. After Brexit, I think it's clear that voters are very angry about this issue. Unless she comes out forcefully against illegal immigration, I don't think she stands a chance of winning in November. Trump has many faults but I think he got this issue right.
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and, if she does, she will lose the Hispanic vote. She is in a "Catch-22". She created this on her own.
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THE issue this election. There are more illegal immigrants in the US than legal ones. Let that sink in for a second.
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It's simply too late for Hillary to flip-flop on this issue, despite her doing so on TPP, criminal justice, gay marriage, and almost every other issue.
At the Democratic debate in March on Univision, Clinton explicitly agreed to end deportation of all those without a criminal record (minus their being illegal, of course) and children. (Brilliant move by Ramos in pressing her for an answer!)
She cannot conceivably say she's against illegal immigration or that her views have evolved in two months.
She took the Democratic Party's core strategy on immigration which will blow up in their faces come November, thanks to Trump and "Brexit" making it an election-year issue.
Their pandering to Hispanics with illegal relatives and touchy-feely rhetoric doesn't resonate with most Americans. Feeling entitled to citizenship just because you live within walking distance or make it within a nation's borders is criminal and illogical.
At the Democratic debate in March on Univision, Clinton explicitly agreed to end deportation of all those without a criminal record (minus their being illegal, of course) and children. (Brilliant move by Ramos in pressing her for an answer!)
She cannot conceivably say she's against illegal immigration or that her views have evolved in two months.
She took the Democratic Party's core strategy on immigration which will blow up in their faces come November, thanks to Trump and "Brexit" making it an election-year issue.
Their pandering to Hispanics with illegal relatives and touchy-feely rhetoric doesn't resonate with most Americans. Feeling entitled to citizenship just because you live within walking distance or make it within a nation's borders is criminal and illogical.
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We are being taught the same lesson over and over again. You can't beat populism with fear; you have to inspire and sell a positive vision.
Enough with repeating that Trump is thin-skinned, politically incompetent and egotistic. Everybody, including his supporters, know that. That's not what will move people.
Hillary, share a vision of optimism and energy, not one of caution and fear. You'll win handsomely if you do.
Enough with repeating that Trump is thin-skinned, politically incompetent and egotistic. Everybody, including his supporters, know that. That's not what will move people.
Hillary, share a vision of optimism and energy, not one of caution and fear. You'll win handsomely if you do.
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She should have done so from the beginning. If she does that now, people will see right through her, as pandering. She cannot shift from her "status quo", alienating millions of people; those who do not trust her already.
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So, over the past few months, the Canadians and British have rejected the current world order. Australia may be next, come next Saturday. Ms. Clinton is running on the "status quo", or the current world order. She, and the DNC, should be very concerned. The current world order is being rejected.
Also, Ms. Clinton, former Secretary of State, did not see Brexit coming? She did not see that it is not only the Us in which there is deep seeded
anger? If anything she dismissed that with Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump.
It is not a shadow over her caution; it is a shadow over the candidate itself.
Also, Ms. Clinton, former Secretary of State, did not see Brexit coming? She did not see that it is not only the Us in which there is deep seeded
anger? If anything she dismissed that with Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump.
It is not a shadow over her caution; it is a shadow over the candidate itself.
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she did not seeLiyba
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No, and even Obama said the aftermath of Libya was his biggest failure.
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She did not see that her home email server broke both her NDA and the Freedom of Records Act.
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"According to their friends and advisers, Mrs. Clinton and former President Bill Clinton have worried for months that she was out of sync with the mood of the electorate." This is the single strongest argument I have seen for why Hillary Clinton must choose Elizabeth Warren to run for Vice President on the Democratic ticket. Hillary's biggest weakness is her constant tendency to preserve the status quo. This is the moment for her to make a bold move.
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Nice comment, but you do understand Hillary is receiving millions from special interests to preserve the status quo. The Street and every other special interest want to maintain high profits and low wages. They have no interest in any change.
As for Warren as a VP.--During my lifetime a VP has never influenced policy. We need to keep her in the Senate to hold Hillary's feet to the fire as she gets cozy with the Street.
As for Warren as a VP.--During my lifetime a VP has never influenced policy. We need to keep her in the Senate to hold Hillary's feet to the fire as she gets cozy with the Street.
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MS. Warren cannot save Ms. Clinton. If anything, Ms. Warren could poison her chances fro a bid, by becoming Ms. Clinton's VP nominee.
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Maybe if your out of sync with the mood of the electorate you should step aside.
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One columnist blamed Brexit partly on:
"the establishment of free labor mobility among culturally diverse countries with very different income levels, without careful thought about how that would work."
And yet, this person seemed not to get that this also exactly describes the US.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/brexit-the-morning-after/
"the establishment of free labor mobility among culturally diverse countries with very different income levels, without careful thought about how that would work."
And yet, this person seemed not to get that this also exactly describes the US.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/brexit-the-morning-after/
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Ah yes, the "Liberal".
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If Trump wins, I can picture the voters' smug satisfaction at having kicked economic and policy experts in the teeth quickly turning to bewildered puzzlement when they realize that their votes have delivered control of the United States military, Treasury, Justice department, courts, Social Security, Medicare, and foreign policy to, yes, Donald Trump and whatever cronies he chooses to appoint.
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The DNC, main stream media, Democrat insiders, and Wall Street are to blame if Mr. Trump wins. Not the voters.
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I think what upsets so many people is the the "experts" never pay a price for being wrong. The Iraq architects are still as cheerfully ubiquitous in the media as ever, instead of rotting in jail or exile. Once you're part of the club, it's impossible to have your membership revoked. And this same cabal then complains about union protections.
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The Great Dilemma: "Be with Me" because I'm the most experienced ever (rhymes with "I've been hobnobbing with the ones in charge for the past quarter century") versus "We're tired and we're not taking it anymore." Yes, Trump comes across as incredibly uninformed of the basic facts, but it is precisely her record that is Hillary's biggest liability. Hers is a record of supporting free trade deals (sounds like "a decline in the fortunes of people who work for a living" to many ears), a drastic shift in wealth from the many to the few (the latter explaining why the secret Goldman Sachs speeches are so damaging). Wasn't it just this week that The Times reported HRC's mega-treasury versus Trump's micro-funds? The fact that that money came from PACs -- broadly known as corporate bribes -- shows how a seeming advantage can be turned into a liability overnight. Yes, Trump is Mr Anti-Intellectual (or anti-intellect for that matter), but since when did that matter in American politics? (Search terms: "George W. Bush elected twice.")
As in the primaries, Hillary and her supporters are eager to declare the election over already, even before either party has officially, legally nominated a candidate! A lot can happen in four months; stand by.
As in the primaries, Hillary and her supporters are eager to declare the election over already, even before either party has officially, legally nominated a candidate! A lot can happen in four months; stand by.
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> "The Great Dilemma: "Be with Me" because I'm the most experienced ever"
TO ME, this represents the biggest delusion in our political process
Experience & Qualification are the 2 most insanely over-rated items to spend a nano-second thinking about.
If you become President, you will have all the experience & qualification you will ever need, sitting right at your fingertips
What is MOST important is Judgement, Agenda, and a perception of an ability to effectively achieve as much of your agenda as humanly-possible
** Reagan/GHWB, and GWB/Cheney had all the experience & qualifications that anybody could ask for
Both those administrations destroyed our country in many ways relating to immorality, and deliberate voodoo-economics in order to redistribute more wealth from the bottom to the top
REAGAN: Tripled National Debt during 9 years of Peacetime, IranContra, Deregulation-Madness gave us biggest self-inflicted financial disaster in US History up to that time with the S&L-Trainwreck
*At Least #41/GHWB put hundreds of white-collar crooks in jail
*Reagan/Starwars didn't defeat the USSR, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev did, { a hundred Reagans wouldn't have moved standard Politburo Presidents, only a reformer like 'Gorbie' could have done it, and it required Yeltsin at a critical moment during a political revolt to keep him in power}
GWB/Cheney Doubled-National Debt after being handed a strong economy running a surplus for the first time in 60 years, 2008 Meltdown, Torture
TO ME, this represents the biggest delusion in our political process
Experience & Qualification are the 2 most insanely over-rated items to spend a nano-second thinking about.
If you become President, you will have all the experience & qualification you will ever need, sitting right at your fingertips
What is MOST important is Judgement, Agenda, and a perception of an ability to effectively achieve as much of your agenda as humanly-possible
** Reagan/GHWB, and GWB/Cheney had all the experience & qualifications that anybody could ask for
Both those administrations destroyed our country in many ways relating to immorality, and deliberate voodoo-economics in order to redistribute more wealth from the bottom to the top
REAGAN: Tripled National Debt during 9 years of Peacetime, IranContra, Deregulation-Madness gave us biggest self-inflicted financial disaster in US History up to that time with the S&L-Trainwreck
*At Least #41/GHWB put hundreds of white-collar crooks in jail
*Reagan/Starwars didn't defeat the USSR, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev did, { a hundred Reagans wouldn't have moved standard Politburo Presidents, only a reformer like 'Gorbie' could have done it, and it required Yeltsin at a critical moment during a political revolt to keep him in power}
GWB/Cheney Doubled-National Debt after being handed a strong economy running a surplus for the first time in 60 years, 2008 Meltdown, Torture
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Many seem to be getting this wrong. In the UK it was the young peiple who overwhelmingly voted to stay in the Eeopean Union, so any parallels with Bernie's supporters and the "revilutionary" mood of the electirate are simply bogus.
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No, it is essentially the same strong. anti-globalization reaction under slightly different circumstances. If Brexit did not jeopardize the ability of young people in the UK to travel, study and work in Europe, a cultural playground just on the other side of the channel from them, they would probably have supported Brexit, along lines that the educated young people in the US did for Bernie. Alternatively, if our young people had the opportunities of the British youth, they would probably support globalization more and, therefore, Hillary Clinton more. Furthermore, had the primaries been as democratic as the Brexit referendum, e.g.. fully open to Independents and Republicans and not front-loaded with southern states, Bernie's support among union and low-wage working class would have been even bigger, very much resembling the demographics of the Brexit vote (and it would have revealed Bernie's greater popular support in the country over Hillary Clinton..... let's face it, if democracy prevailed here he'd be the nominee.)
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The US and the UK have similar problems of 35 years of Reaganomics / Thatcherism.
Those voters have watched their jobs go away while Wall St. and The City have become fabulously wealthy.
They know they have gotten left behind and blame immigrants.
You don't see the same economic problems in Germany, Denmark, etc. Their problems are the Syrian refugees. Very different immigrant problem.
Those voters have watched their jobs go away while Wall St. and The City have become fabulously wealthy.
They know they have gotten left behind and blame immigrants.
You don't see the same economic problems in Germany, Denmark, etc. Their problems are the Syrian refugees. Very different immigrant problem.
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Different in what way?
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@Roland
The US and UK problems are that trickle down economics has hurt the working class. Those hurt don't understand that is he source and blame it on the immigrants.
And many times, it is businesses that are hiring the immigrants to keep wages low. At the same time they keep cutting taxes so people are not getting education and retraining.
We have people unemployed and at the same time we are bringing IT people in on H-1B visas.
The refugees from Syria are scaring people because of the potential for terrorism.
Workers in those countries are doing well economically and the refugees are not a threat to that.
Denmark, that terrible socialist country, is ranked number 1 by Forbes for business. They rank the US number 22.
The US and UK problems are that trickle down economics has hurt the working class. Those hurt don't understand that is he source and blame it on the immigrants.
And many times, it is businesses that are hiring the immigrants to keep wages low. At the same time they keep cutting taxes so people are not getting education and retraining.
We have people unemployed and at the same time we are bringing IT people in on H-1B visas.
The refugees from Syria are scaring people because of the potential for terrorism.
Workers in those countries are doing well economically and the refugees are not a threat to that.
Denmark, that terrible socialist country, is ranked number 1 by Forbes for business. They rank the US number 22.
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The question is what can the power elite offer to the masses to give them hope for a better future? Anyone paying half attention understands special interests control all policy. All of the wealth/income since the great recession has gone to the top. The financiers received the bailout while the homeowners were kicked into the gutter.
It is not enough to say we are all in it together when the elite clearly not in it with everyone. We need to talk policies, not personalities. What are the solutions?
Those of us who have been blessed with much need to understand tens of millions have not. We need to come up with something different, not just more of the same.
With special interests in charge, I am not holding my breath for any positive change.
It is not enough to say we are all in it together when the elite clearly not in it with everyone. We need to talk policies, not personalities. What are the solutions?
Those of us who have been blessed with much need to understand tens of millions have not. We need to come up with something different, not just more of the same.
With special interests in charge, I am not holding my breath for any positive change.
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They Can't but now they see a new sunrise coming, They are the Captains of their own destiny now....!!!
I agree with this article's analysis. The almost nihilistic anger that we saw in the UK is definitely present in the US among older working class whites in particular, and its most significant feature is its imperviousness to appeals to facts, nuance, pragmatic self-interest: precisely what Clinton deals in. An inspirational element is absolutely vital if Clinton is to defeat Trump and the very large number of Sanders voters who desperately want to shake up the establishment. For this reason, it's absolutely vital that she appoint Warren as her VP. Warren brings charisma as well as good sense to the ticket, and she connects with ordinary concerns. Some centrists may be alienated by her, but the national mood is very different to what it was in the 1990s, when Clinton's political instincts were honed, and those put off by two women on the ticket would be outnumbered by those who would be receptive to Warren's brand of rhetoric and the radical new iconicity of female ticket. Whereas a VP like Kaine or Castro would reek of caution and calculation and likely alienate the volatile electorate further. It has to be Warren--who has the additional merit of being a politician of real substance.
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Hillary Clinton is old, tired, out of touch, and representative of everything the people of Britain just rejected. History has now gone full circle; the UK declared independence and the US should follow suit.
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It was the old and tired who rejected the EU. The young wanted to stay in. I'm not sure how your argument works.
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Huh? The U.S. should declare independence from what?
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The Older people of England wanted out of the EU because it provided jobs & opportunities for young people and some not so young.
Inside the EU, London provided jobs for all and low end jobs went to other Europeans because there were not enough workers available in London or willing to move there.
Inside the EU, London provided jobs for all and low end jobs went to other Europeans because there were not enough workers available in London or willing to move there.
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This fine article speaks to the truth that many many followers of HRC and her husband have known for a very long time. When you strip away the charisma and charm and peccadillos and slippery ethics, the Clintons are both very cautiously careful centrist politicians. Hillary lacks what some see as her husband's dazzle and command, and so every phrase seems poll-tested and focus-group massaged as it comes out of her mouth.
Compare and contrast that with the utterly unfettered, proudly ignorant and self-regarding id know by the birth name Trump. No matter that his speeches and impromptu remarks, let alone tweets, are rancid with lies, smears and half truths. The Drumpfinator lets fly with unfiltered and ill-informed know-nothings on everything from beauty pageant winners to Brexit (even if with that one he had to have the interviewer explain it to him, he had no trouble sharing his "views" once he was given a 3 sentence Cliffs Notes of trademarked shallowness and bellicosity).
I fear that HRC, as always careful and prudent, will choose an utterly uninspiring choice in Tim Kaine, once again deflating and disappointing those of us who have girded our loins to pull the lever for this career corporate centrist, since the alternative is unthinkable. Ah well, if she does the impossible and makes the Carter-Mondale ticket appear sexy in retrospect, I live in California, where she is a slam dunk, and there is always Jill Stein.
Compare and contrast that with the utterly unfettered, proudly ignorant and self-regarding id know by the birth name Trump. No matter that his speeches and impromptu remarks, let alone tweets, are rancid with lies, smears and half truths. The Drumpfinator lets fly with unfiltered and ill-informed know-nothings on everything from beauty pageant winners to Brexit (even if with that one he had to have the interviewer explain it to him, he had no trouble sharing his "views" once he was given a 3 sentence Cliffs Notes of trademarked shallowness and bellicosity).
I fear that HRC, as always careful and prudent, will choose an utterly uninspiring choice in Tim Kaine, once again deflating and disappointing those of us who have girded our loins to pull the lever for this career corporate centrist, since the alternative is unthinkable. Ah well, if she does the impossible and makes the Carter-Mondale ticket appear sexy in retrospect, I live in California, where she is a slam dunk, and there is always Jill Stein.
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charisma and charm?
you must be referring to bill's appeal in arkansas in the 80's and 90's
hillary was 'likable enough' in 2008. she's much less likable now, and she has no energy. also, she has a left facial droop.
you must be referring to bill's appeal in arkansas in the 80's and 90's
hillary was 'likable enough' in 2008. she's much less likable now, and she has no energy. also, she has a left facial droop.
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Ms Clinton is a tragic figure, approaching the second iteration of tragedy, namely, farce, one can feel pity for her, from a distance
I am a Trump supporter and saw two things early on, 1, that he cou;d 'go the distance' and 2-, that those who should have known better, did not take him seriously - big mistake
The same wilful arrogance and ignorance, aka denial, occurred with BRexit
Mr Trump lives and thrives inside that winning demographic
Ms Clinton is nowhere
I expect a rout, a biblical scale massacre in Mr Trump's favor
I am a Trump supporter and saw two things early on, 1, that he cou;d 'go the distance' and 2-, that those who should have known better, did not take him seriously - big mistake
The same wilful arrogance and ignorance, aka denial, occurred with BRexit
Mr Trump lives and thrives inside that winning demographic
Ms Clinton is nowhere
I expect a rout, a biblical scale massacre in Mr Trump's favor
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Wow you are insulated? He has no vision!
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Trump could be replaced by a parrot shouting "build a wall!," "I'll make America great again!"
And it you did that, and elected the parrot, you'd get just about as much skill in governance.
Appealing to those who are aggrieved by wage stagnation and those who fear that being white isn't a ticket to the front of the bus is no guarantee that anything good will happen if Trump is elected.
Repeat these simple facts: he has no experience and no skills relevant to politics. He is supremely unqualified. Echoing complaints is not a qualification.
Would you go to a surgeon who had never been trained and never operated? Why not? It would be the same con job - All talk, no substance.
And it you did that, and elected the parrot, you'd get just about as much skill in governance.
Appealing to those who are aggrieved by wage stagnation and those who fear that being white isn't a ticket to the front of the bus is no guarantee that anything good will happen if Trump is elected.
Repeat these simple facts: he has no experience and no skills relevant to politics. He is supremely unqualified. Echoing complaints is not a qualification.
Would you go to a surgeon who had never been trained and never operated? Why not? It would be the same con job - All talk, no substance.
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Trump is a buffoon.
Many Republicans are publicly abandoning him, and saying they will vote for HRC.
Trump is a pale version of Barry Goldwater, and he got blown away (44 states to 6, 62% to 38% popular vote) by LBJ in 1964. If Trump keeps talking, he will sink his own candidacy. Poor little Donnie, a self-important egotist with very thin skin and a horrible business record.
Wait and see.
Many Republicans are publicly abandoning him, and saying they will vote for HRC.
Trump is a pale version of Barry Goldwater, and he got blown away (44 states to 6, 62% to 38% popular vote) by LBJ in 1964. If Trump keeps talking, he will sink his own candidacy. Poor little Donnie, a self-important egotist with very thin skin and a horrible business record.
Wait and see.
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What Hilllary needs more than ever is to understand why Old White American and everywhere is on an uprising. Is it because of the competition other ethnicities present? It's even more crucial for media to start digging deeper and understand the problems of Old White Americans before November. If they feel their jobs are being taken away from them, do they fully understand why this is happening? For one, technology has obliterated most jobs and because it's not easy to point fingers at technology, it's easy to assign blame and demonize immigrants. As we know, immigrants keep countries dynamic and innovate, but when a country chooses to isolate itself from the rest of the world, it suffers mightily (eg. Has Japan really overcome its economic woes in the 80s?). Media has to take the spotlight off the candidates once in a while to horn in on the people supporting them. In this way, what happened in the Brexit referendum can be averted? And yes, Hillary's slogan is not going to endear her to the electorate. (Makes one wonder why Europe seems to be disbanding while Asean or the Assn of Southeast Nations have formed.)
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Hillary campaign may have failed to read the signs from Berners. But they cannot afford to repeat that mistake and ignore the smoke signals from Brexit.
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Brexit shows what some people are saying, including me, is that the 2016 US Presidential election is not D vs R, it is globalists vs America first believers.
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I think it should be the Denmark model vs. the trickle down model.
Forbes ranks Denmark number 1 for business and ranks the US number 22.
Forbes ranks Denmark number 1 for business and ranks the US number 22.
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It's a republican primary.
I agree. The important issues, trade, jobs, immigration, border, national security, all break down between globalism vs. the nation state. In this election, we have a clear choice between an unapologetic globalist and an unabashed America-First nationalist.
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For Hillary to win, amid populist anger, she should not defend the status quo, but rather argue how she can bring the change needed. She should dismantle the idea that this presidential race is about "status quo vs. change," and should instead define the race as "change with experience and actions vs. change with loud words."
The Brexit vote just illustrates the frustration people felt for immigration, border, and the ongoing call for nationalism as a backlash on globalization. Rather than a mistake, the Brexit vote should be viewed as a opportunity to further remind Hillary that she is in a tough uphill battle to win the White House in this unusual year.
The Brexit vote just illustrates the frustration people felt for immigration, border, and the ongoing call for nationalism as a backlash on globalization. Rather than a mistake, the Brexit vote should be viewed as a opportunity to further remind Hillary that she is in a tough uphill battle to win the White House in this unusual year.
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That would be a smart strategy, but that would scare her Wall St constituency.
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Hillary Clinton needs to throw her caution to the winds, moves further left, and adopt the language, messages and policies of Bernie Sanders in order to hold on to the young and educated voters. Otherwise, she will lose to Trump in the big rust belt states as well as some purple states that Obama won the last time. It's a big mistake to count on Trump's incendiary remarks to reason with many segments of the American electorates since these segments are already firmly in Trump's corner.
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Paul, she does that, people will see through her and see it as pandering. Ms. Clinton can't move left, because she can't do it; now. She just spent over a year saying she is running on the "status quo". She even went as far to dismiss Sanders supporters. Not to mention what her supporters did to Sanders supporters. And most people, see her as a liar, for no better word, already.
She dug her own grave and world events have finally caught up with her. The Brexit vote, while in the UK, represents the same kind of anger that is in the United States. In addition, Mr. tTump has played on that anger, and Brexit has given him ammunition. Mr. Sanders also played on that anger, but he was dismissed.
So, Ms. Clinton tried to play a 2012 Obama card, and guess what, the game changed. Now, she painted herself into a corner. Just like the GOP painted itself into its own corner. And the DNC into its own corner.
This is what happens when power brokers, and unlimited money, tries to swing elections. We end up with two very mediocre candidates, and one of them is speaking to the anger of the masses. They other one just realized she screwed up. And the DNC had a Democrats Socialist they dismissed which could have delivered them the Whte House, and probably Congress. But, drove that person's supporters away. And with those voters, Congress majority and reshaping the Supreme Court.
Brtexit was a canary in the coal mine and Ms. Clinton did not see it coming. It's too late to remake herself.
She dug her own grave and world events have finally caught up with her. The Brexit vote, while in the UK, represents the same kind of anger that is in the United States. In addition, Mr. tTump has played on that anger, and Brexit has given him ammunition. Mr. Sanders also played on that anger, but he was dismissed.
So, Ms. Clinton tried to play a 2012 Obama card, and guess what, the game changed. Now, she painted herself into a corner. Just like the GOP painted itself into its own corner. And the DNC into its own corner.
This is what happens when power brokers, and unlimited money, tries to swing elections. We end up with two very mediocre candidates, and one of them is speaking to the anger of the masses. They other one just realized she screwed up. And the DNC had a Democrats Socialist they dismissed which could have delivered them the Whte House, and probably Congress. But, drove that person's supporters away. And with those voters, Congress majority and reshaping the Supreme Court.
Brtexit was a canary in the coal mine and Ms. Clinton did not see it coming. It's too late to remake herself.
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The "educate voters" you speak off are uneducated in common sense, or brain washed by their liberal professors who are pro communist/socialist. By the time they find out what is really going on it will be to late. We will be like Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, etc.
Take a look at Apple which has reportedly 3 million workers in China earning an equivalence of between $.19 to $.75 per hour while they are sitting on 225 billion dollars in cash. most of which they have not payed taxes on. Do a quick search and see who these Apple's support.
Take a look at Apple which has reportedly 3 million workers in China earning an equivalence of between $.19 to $.75 per hour while they are sitting on 225 billion dollars in cash. most of which they have not payed taxes on. Do a quick search and see who these Apple's support.
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The powers that be should have seen this coming when we all voted for hope and change, and lost hope because nothing changed. It's not like Obama was a slam dunk - black guy, Muslim name shortly after 9-11, and with a paper thin resume. He's been a good placeholder president, but hope and changeless.
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Once the Sanders supporters get a good hard look at Hillary -- her record, her behavior under pressure, etc. -- many will not support her. On the other hand, Hillary will galvanize anyone and everyone on the Republican side to stop her no matter what. Trump looks like he has the winning hand so far.
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Yup, that's why she has led in every poll in the last month, and by as much as 12 to 15 in the latest ones. Some winning hand.
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Wait until the polls come out after the Brexit vote.
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Have you taken a hard look at Trump's record?
On the other hand, James Dobson of Focus on the Family has declared he believes Trump is becoming a born again Christian.
For whoever believes that one, I have some real estate to sell them. Oops, Trump did that already.
On the other hand, James Dobson of Focus on the Family has declared he believes Trump is becoming a born again Christian.
For whoever believes that one, I have some real estate to sell them. Oops, Trump did that already.
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he United States, Australia and the United Kingdom all have similar issues. That is, wage disparity, immigration woes, trade deals that seem unfair, jobs going overseas, foreign workers being brought in to take jobs, wage stagnation, Congress/Parliaments dominated by conservatives willing to tear apart the safety net, create smaller government, do not embrace the issues of climate change, are homophobic and cutting taxes.
The Brexit vote is the canary in the coal mine. The beginning of the push back that the so called 99% saying they had enough. In the UK, the EU requirement of resettling immigrants was the final tipping point. Especially in poorer areas of the country. Those areas the benefit from the EU voted to remain.
Next Saturday, Australia votes for a new government. Right now, it is a toss up between the status quo (Coalition) and change (Labor). Just a short three months ago, it looked like the Coalition would be returned. Now, that is not the case.
Now, this brings us to our fall election. It does not bode well fro Ms. Clinton. Like the UK, and Australia, there are very angry voters wanting change. She has a big image problem already. Saying to voters she will be the person for change, will confirm her untrustworthiness.
The UK and Australia are canaries sin the coal mine. If the DNC expects to win, they may need to consider another option, else Mr. Trump will be sworn in come January.
Politics, like economies, are universal and no longer local.
The Brexit vote is the canary in the coal mine. The beginning of the push back that the so called 99% saying they had enough. In the UK, the EU requirement of resettling immigrants was the final tipping point. Especially in poorer areas of the country. Those areas the benefit from the EU voted to remain.
Next Saturday, Australia votes for a new government. Right now, it is a toss up between the status quo (Coalition) and change (Labor). Just a short three months ago, it looked like the Coalition would be returned. Now, that is not the case.
Now, this brings us to our fall election. It does not bode well fro Ms. Clinton. Like the UK, and Australia, there are very angry voters wanting change. She has a big image problem already. Saying to voters she will be the person for change, will confirm her untrustworthiness.
The UK and Australia are canaries sin the coal mine. If the DNC expects to win, they may need to consider another option, else Mr. Trump will be sworn in come January.
Politics, like economies, are universal and no longer local.
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If Labor wins, will it be more like Denmark or more like Reaganomics / Thatcherism?
Nick,
Hillary is the "child of the one percent" she is the status quo personified. If you loved the last seven years and are better off, then vote for Hillary! If you like the world today and think the world is a safer place, then vote for Hillary! If you want to win at all costs and don't care what it takes to win, then vote for Hillary!
There is a major difference between "we're stronger if you support me" and "we're stronger together if we support each other"!
Hillary is the "child of the one percent" she is the status quo personified. If you loved the last seven years and are better off, then vote for Hillary! If you like the world today and think the world is a safer place, then vote for Hillary! If you want to win at all costs and don't care what it takes to win, then vote for Hillary!
There is a major difference between "we're stronger if you support me" and "we're stronger together if we support each other"!
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If Labor wins, it will be pressured by a surging Green Party to push it from the center, to a bit more left. The Australian Labor Party is just slightly left of today's US Democratic Party. Hence, why the Green Party keeps gaining sears in Parliament.
Will Labor be able to make massive change? Well, Bill Shorten the ALP leader, may have problems similar to that of the current PM; likeability and trust.
In the latest fairfax Poll; Labor was ahead by 4% in the two party preferred. Shorten and Turnball are equal on the PM preferred. About 3 months ago, Mr. Turnball was up by at least 12%. He dropped when he to implement more Reaganomics and Thatcherism. The latest budget will hit the poor, but spare the rich.
He called this election, with over confidence, and it is about to backfire.
Will Labor be able to make massive change? Well, Bill Shorten the ALP leader, may have problems similar to that of the current PM; likeability and trust.
In the latest fairfax Poll; Labor was ahead by 4% in the two party preferred. Shorten and Turnball are equal on the PM preferred. About 3 months ago, Mr. Turnball was up by at least 12%. He dropped when he to implement more Reaganomics and Thatcherism. The latest budget will hit the poor, but spare the rich.
He called this election, with over confidence, and it is about to backfire.
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Stronger Together = You will be paying my bills and government bureaucrats will be micromanaging your life. But together!
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Of course 35 years of Reaganomics have worked so well.
From what I can see, the rising tide of Trickle Down economics mostly raised the yachts on Wall St.
Then there is the Brownback / Kansas experiment:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/36569-here-s-what-s-the-matter-wit...
So much for fiscally responsible.
From what I can see, the rising tide of Trickle Down economics mostly raised the yachts on Wall St.
Then there is the Brownback / Kansas experiment:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/36569-here-s-what-s-the-matter-wit...
So much for fiscally responsible.
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@Independent: Of course it worked--why do you think that Democrats sold their souls to Wall Street, just as the Republicans did? Doesn't everybody want a yacht?
And keep in mind that for 16 of those 35 years there has been a Democrat in the White House.
And keep in mind that for 16 of those 35 years there has been a Democrat in the White House.
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