Someone mentioned earlier that Canada takes illegal immigration more seriously than does the US and "that's why can have nice things and we don't". America spend more money on K-12 than nearly every other OECD nation, yet gets worse results. Imagine if the money being spent on ESL programs for the children of illegal aliens were spent instead on a national paid maternity leave program. Canada even has paid paternity leave. Illegal immigration drains resources from Americans because most illegal immigrants tend to be poorer and less educated than legal immigrants, and therefore illegal aliens compete against lower income Americans for jobs. The people who benefit the most from illegal immigration are those who can afford to pay more.
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The NYTs has called for the release of non-violent drug offenders from prison and decries the lack of housing and jobs for these ex-convicts. If all, or even most, of the 12+ million illegal aliens were deported it would open up six to ten million jobs for these ex-convicts.
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i do not know the extent of illegal immigration in canada. but here are some things told to me. chinese students have a network of jobs at chinese restaurants. readily available. subsidizes their education. once graduated, canada is enlightened enough, to offer those who got educated here, opportunity to legally immigrate. which is any day better than the usa, which i think does not understand the value of educated immigrants. instead they are left with poorly educated who have become a voting bloc out of control.
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We really should be more like our enlightened brothers to the south.
https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/mexico-vs-united-states-mexica...
https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/mexico-vs-united-states-mexica...
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Do you mean that we should protect our southern border with troops ordered to shoot to kill just like those on Mexico's southern border?
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Racism, xenophobia, isolationism, and a piggish desire to pull up the ladder once one's own are safely aboard. Welcome to Trump's America, which has apparently taken over the NYT.com comments section today.
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It amazes me that Obama and others use the term immigration reform when they are advocating a virtual continuation of the policies enacted in the 1980's, i.e. allow the illegal immigrants to stay in the country and give them a path to citizenship.
As we see today, that only encouraged more illegal immigration, from a low of 11 million to estimates as high as 20 million.
Though, I doubt if the Supreme Court ruling will have much of an effect. For while Obama's policy has been to turn them away at the border, he has done very little to deport those already in the country.
As for Trump's wall, that was being built under George W. Bush, and was ineffective due to gaps, tunneling, and being bypassed by sea.
A true solution to the problem would be to remove the reason for illegal immigration: jobs. And, you do that by cracking down hard on the employers that hire illegal aliens.
These employers should not only pay hefty fines but forfeit all profits while using illegal employees -- make the penalties so severe that they dare not hire them, and enforce those penalties!
So, if the jobs are not here, it would not only remove a reason to come but would force those already here to leave.
As we see today, that only encouraged more illegal immigration, from a low of 11 million to estimates as high as 20 million.
Though, I doubt if the Supreme Court ruling will have much of an effect. For while Obama's policy has been to turn them away at the border, he has done very little to deport those already in the country.
As for Trump's wall, that was being built under George W. Bush, and was ineffective due to gaps, tunneling, and being bypassed by sea.
A true solution to the problem would be to remove the reason for illegal immigration: jobs. And, you do that by cracking down hard on the employers that hire illegal aliens.
These employers should not only pay hefty fines but forfeit all profits while using illegal employees -- make the penalties so severe that they dare not hire them, and enforce those penalties!
So, if the jobs are not here, it would not only remove a reason to come but would force those already here to leave.
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The video on the NYT website accompanying this news article consists of undocumented illegals grabbing microphones and declaring in English that they are "part of the United States of America."
By virtue of committing a crime and entering this country illegally and refusing to leave?
It is long past time for a return to sanity.
Stealing my car and refusing to return it doesn't make you the legal owner, it makes you a thief.
By virtue of committing a crime and entering this country illegally and refusing to leave?
It is long past time for a return to sanity.
Stealing my car and refusing to return it doesn't make you the legal owner, it makes you a thief.
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The "progressive" arguments are pure sophistry. Obama's desire to legalize the numeric equivalent of a European nation had but one goal - power. Obama believes that had this stood it would eventually result in millions of more "progressive" voters, thus diluting the White vote in his quest to transform America.
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We need to enforce our immigration laws through deportation, not because of the dent it might make in the 11+ million illegal immigrants already in the US, but because it may deter countless millions more from immigrating here. Let's make sure to publicize this latest "heartless" act. It's an economic calculation, a cost-benefit analysis, for migrants. Let's tip the balance in OUR favor for once.
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this is one more good reason to vote for Hillary.
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Funny, but I was brought up knowing (note that word) that illegal MEANS illegal, and that such should be not tolerated and must be punished, until the law changes!
I don't think English has changed enough to vitiate that.
I don't think English has changed enough to vitiate that.
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This attempt by conservatives to claim a 'no decision victory,is fraught with the perils of political desperation and pettiness.It ignores one undeniable fact,Hispanic immigrants are Here and will be here,as long as America exists and beyond that.When 'Brown Vs Board of Education,was announced by the Warren court,there was wide spread outrage from conservatives as an abomination of their 'natural rights and privileges.To even imagine Black and White American kids attending the same schools was anathema to their prized and perculiar sense of dignity.Yet,they too ignored one unassailable fact...the Future.Integration was an unstoppable occurrence on the horizon of the American landscape.So too,is comprehensive immigration reform.It is going to Happen,period.President Obama and Hispanic immigrants,like the Warren court,were long frustrated by congress's failure to act on this,these central issues.Thus they felt compelled to act decisively with the due power of their respective authorities.That brings us to the central motivations of why congress has NOT acted.The Civil Rights era conservatives were clear enough.They believed certain classes and segments of American society were just 'better than others.I'm not sure that state of mind still persists in the conundrum of Hispanic immigration.One thing is certain,however.To bury one's head in the proverbial sand,is ignorant as well as asinine.The election of Hillary Clinton and the return of a democratic senate is the Cure.
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Many have (justifiably) criticized our country's refusal to update its immigration laws. However, the changes proposed will not help most of those currently in the country illegally. If enacted, these changes would steer immigration into the U.S. away from the goal of family reunification and toward a British Commonwealth-style, skills-based immigration system.
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Once again our do-nothing Congress has skillfully managed to shift attention to Obama while sitting resolutely on their hands. Whatever one thinks about the executive order or the SOCTUS decision, at least our president sought to move us forward on the issue of immigration. Had Congress done their job and implemented much needed immigration reform we would never have come to this point.
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It's not really a move forward but a move back to the policy enacted in the 1980's, and we see how well that worked out.
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Lots of hypocrisy in these comments. The republicans claim only they can make laws yet they have failed to do anything on the legislative front except vote to repeal healthcare for the past 8 years. They are frauds. Other (republican) presidents have used executive authority without a whimper from conservatives. Of course republicans get to have their cake and eat it too. Their business constituents openly employ undocumented workers while the republicans beat the drum of anti-immigration. If Mr. Ryan is so concerned about the legislative process he should get off his high horse and work to pass legislation to advance the country. Until he does President Obama should continue to accomplish what he can through executive order. Also note that the undermanned Supreme Court did not rule on the merits, just on the politics.
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Their business constituents openly employ undocumented workers while the republicans beat the drum of anti-immigration
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Bill Clinton's first choice for Attorney General (Zoe Baird?) and maybe the runner-up choice were rejected for their employment of untaxed illegal domestic help, uncovered in their FBI vetting. So Democrats alighted on Janet Reno and her red pickup truck, suitable for scaling Ruby Ridge, surveilling Elian Gonzalez, and starting fires at Waco. Thank you, President Clinton(s).
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Bill Clinton's first choice for Attorney General (Zoe Baird?) and maybe the runner-up choice were rejected for their employment of untaxed illegal domestic help, uncovered in their FBI vetting. So Democrats alighted on Janet Reno and her red pickup truck, suitable for scaling Ruby Ridge, surveilling Elian Gonzalez, and starting fires at Waco. Thank you, President Clinton(s).
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How does Mexico deal with undocumented immigration? Perhaps people need to see the world as it is and not be pushovers.
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First, Obama has been the "Deporter in Chief" to this date -- deporting FAR more people than Bush jr. ever did. Then he came up against the obvious limits of the strategy. Depart many millions of more EMPLOYED people whose immediate children or parents are CITIZENS? Come on people. There are not enough agents, facilities, lawyers, or transportation facilities to get that done. Not even Trump could or would do this. Agriculture, construction, and services would all grind to a halt. The tie vote by the Supreme Court is just a another game of Ostrich in the Sand, ignoring the fact that we don't have the resources, will, or practical means to enforce current immigration policy even if the President and the Congress wanted to (and of course they can't agree on anything.) So deal with it. This is really a non-story, because EITHER WAY the status quo will remain as is. These people are here, most are employed, the rest are in school and legally able to work. Deal with it.
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The number of people Obama has deported is irrelevant. What matters is the number he hasn't deported. Obama dissolved the borders, illegals are pouring in. Deporting a small percentage of a huge number isn't impressive.
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As the High Court takes its INDEPENDENCE Day recess, no less, it issues a ruling that impacts the lives of so many with but nine words: “The judgment is affirmed by an equally divided court.”
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“If you keep on blocking judges from getting on the bench, then courts can’t issue decisions,” Mr. Obama said.
What President Obama is saying here is this: If you keep blocking the judges I wish to appoint, then courts can't issue the decisions I wish.
What President Obama is saying here is this: If you keep blocking the judges I wish to appoint, then courts can't issue the decisions I wish.
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It is terrifying to see the comments section of even the NYTimes riddled with such hysterical nativism.
We celebrate our history of violently expropriating the land that now comprises the United States, but then snarl about the entitlement of those who quietly cross political boundary lines to, for the most part, work our most undesirable jobs. Hypocrisy abounds.
We use examples of the "legal" immigration of our ancestors to justify our anger towards "illegal" immigrants, though the system now would be unrecognizable to those immigrating through Ellis Island. No logical analogy can be made.
We complain that we or someone we know had to wait ten years for a visa and "did it the right way", and therefore everybody else should too. Because we have a broken system, we now insist that it must never be fixed. We also assume everybody has the same story. Everyone can afford to wait ten years, regardless of whether they are from Denmark or Somalia.
The best part is the smugness and certainty with which we proclaim our positions as to the workings of the immigration system and the constitutionality of our president's actions. As a Harvard trained attorney, all I can say is reasonable minds can disagree on this topic, and frothing at the mouth about it accomplishes nothing but revealing our bigotry.
We celebrate our history of violently expropriating the land that now comprises the United States, but then snarl about the entitlement of those who quietly cross political boundary lines to, for the most part, work our most undesirable jobs. Hypocrisy abounds.
We use examples of the "legal" immigration of our ancestors to justify our anger towards "illegal" immigrants, though the system now would be unrecognizable to those immigrating through Ellis Island. No logical analogy can be made.
We complain that we or someone we know had to wait ten years for a visa and "did it the right way", and therefore everybody else should too. Because we have a broken system, we now insist that it must never be fixed. We also assume everybody has the same story. Everyone can afford to wait ten years, regardless of whether they are from Denmark or Somalia.
The best part is the smugness and certainty with which we proclaim our positions as to the workings of the immigration system and the constitutionality of our president's actions. As a Harvard trained attorney, all I can say is reasonable minds can disagree on this topic, and frothing at the mouth about it accomplishes nothing but revealing our bigotry.
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No child gets much say about the world their parents drag them into.
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It is remarkable that people interpret this Supreme Court outcome as a repudiation of President Obama's DAPA program. But Marcia Coyle of The National Law Journal explained on the PBS Newshour last night that 26 states had challenged the law and a federal district court entered an injunction to halt the law. A federal appellate court upheld the injunction so the United States asked the Supreme Court to lift the injunction. The tie at SCOTUS leaves the injunction in place, blocking the administration from carrying out the program, BUT the case goes back to the lower federal district court for a trial on the merits.
It was a tie vote at the Court which means it is a non-decision carrying no precedent or decision on the President's actions or on the validity of the states' claims other than "standing." Yet almost all of the NYT Picks and the top Readers' Picks act as if the case has been decided. It has not been. Not President Obama's "executive amnesty," circumvention of congress or unilateral action nor the merits of the states' arguments. None of it.
It was a tie vote at the Court which means it is a non-decision carrying no precedent or decision on the President's actions or on the validity of the states' claims other than "standing." Yet almost all of the NYT Picks and the top Readers' Picks act as if the case has been decided. It has not been. Not President Obama's "executive amnesty," circumvention of congress or unilateral action nor the merits of the states' arguments. None of it.
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Where is President Obama's sympathy for the millions of born-here-Americans and legal immigrants who are struggling to find work work? Employers who hire illegal immigrants should face severe penalties. He had almost 8 years to fix this -not worry about his 'legacy'.
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It is incredible to me how many commenters invoke the rule of law in this case. I suspect they are the same people who turn the other way or make excuses for corporate lawbreaking or police brutality. I hope you all enjoy your new jobs washing dishes or picking vegetables for nothing.
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If the democrats lose the presidential election, it will be over this issue. As you just saw in results of the U.K election, people are fed up with illegal immigration.
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Now, now. Don't fret. The activist will help steal the votes in California etc and HRC will fix those pesky immigration laws. AND these new laws will be obeyed.
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My, finally both some legal and some common sense.
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The immigration problem is the main reason the people are so upset with their governments and responsible for the major shakeups both here and in Europe. This situation is giving rather questionable, unstable politicians an opening to gain a footing in elections against extreme left-wing liberals who believe in totally free immigration no matter what the consequences to the country. It certainly is understandable that our people are upset since immigrants will work for much less money than established citizens and businesses are taking full advantage of that fact. I'm sure there are many immigrant families in this country who are hard-working and would eventually, through the proper procedures, make law-abiding citizens, but, on the other hand, there are also many more undocumented people here who are in it for the free ride and all the entitlements they can manage to get, courtesy of the American tax payers.
The main point is that when someone enters this country illegally, it is breaking the law, and that is not acceptable no matter what the circumstances. You cannot pick and choose which law you want to follow and which law you want to break. If that was the case, I’d just rip up any speeding ticket I received and just ignore it or not pay taxes when I'm a little low on cash.
Obama is probably one of the best presidents this country has ever had, but he’s absolutely wrong on this one.
The main point is that when someone enters this country illegally, it is breaking the law, and that is not acceptable no matter what the circumstances. You cannot pick and choose which law you want to follow and which law you want to break. If that was the case, I’d just rip up any speeding ticket I received and just ignore it or not pay taxes when I'm a little low on cash.
Obama is probably one of the best presidents this country has ever had, but he’s absolutely wrong on this one.
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As a LEGAL immigrant I must say that if you come here in any other way you need to be deported. If you don't like the U.S. ( that is for you from the middle east ) and cause a lot of trouble or want your crazy ways forced on us, you need to go back home and quick. If you want to fit in, if you are looking for a great life and came here LEGALLY enjoy your stay. I enjoy it here and so could you. Remember you came here.
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Our nations immigration policy is broken. Congress cannot function on this or other issues. President Obama had no option but to use executive order. We are a nation of immigrants some came legally but most were illegal. Illegal immigrants work on farms, in hotels, in food service and many other jobs. They often live frugally and support family from where they come. They add to our economy.
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The Obama Administration has made a mockery of the laws of this great country. They've spent a goo chunk of their time and taxpayer dollars in trying to figure out how to reward people who break the immigration laws. They've created this situation where people who enter the country illegal ACTUALLY demand they be rewarded with legal status and citizenship. Meanwhile, millions of legal immigrants who follow the rules and wait in line, are given NO consideration. Is this what the Democratic Party has become?
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An embarrassing farce.
Surely not even the most convinced opponent of immigration seriously believes that their fate should be decided based on the cost of issuing driver's licenses.
Is this really how we want the greatest democracy to be run:
- gun law decided not based on logic or the will of the people, but by the legal interpretation of a comma in a 200-year-old amendment from a totally different and irrelevant situation.
- immigration rights of 5 million people decided on the basis of saving the cost of issuing driver's licenses
- provisions that are fundamental to the life of everyone in America - healthcare, abortion, ... - decided by the arbitrary deaths of Supreme Court justices and specifically by what president happens to be in power when they die.
Does nobody else realise that the Supreme Court is becoming a parody of itself??
Seriously
Surely not even the most convinced opponent of immigration seriously believes that their fate should be decided based on the cost of issuing driver's licenses.
Is this really how we want the greatest democracy to be run:
- gun law decided not based on logic or the will of the people, but by the legal interpretation of a comma in a 200-year-old amendment from a totally different and irrelevant situation.
- immigration rights of 5 million people decided on the basis of saving the cost of issuing driver's licenses
- provisions that are fundamental to the life of everyone in America - healthcare, abortion, ... - decided by the arbitrary deaths of Supreme Court justices and specifically by what president happens to be in power when they die.
Does nobody else realise that the Supreme Court is becoming a parody of itself??
Seriously
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Since the Supreme Court deadlocked, can't Obama's plan still go forward in every judicial circuit other than the Fifth Circuit?
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Because now there's legal precedent (i.e. binding law)? Because Obama's amnesty plan has now been ruled illegal by a federal circuit? Because citizens could go after states in the other circuits for enforcing an illegal Obama action?
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Hard to know where this all leads, but anyone who thinks immigration, legal or otherwise, from Mexico and other Latin American countries is somehow magically going to stop is not in touch with where our continent is moving in the long run. Major trends in history aren't held back by walls or reversed by buses.
The best solutions are hard to see; they always have been. Moving backwards is not one of them. In fact, it's not even possible.
The best solutions are hard to see; they always have been. Moving backwards is not one of them. In fact, it's not even possible.
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You wouldn't want Trump ruling by executive order.
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The truth is : If you are not giving your own citizens free health care, free schooling, free housing, free food, you should not be giving it to people who are not your citizens. You are not allowed to enter any other country and expect those things. Mexico, China, Colombia Japan, Austria, Australia, ... etc do not allow citizens of other countries to take up residence with out permission. If you want to live and work in the U.S. do it legally- just as you would have to in any other country in the world.
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I taught in a multi-cultural community and some of the families were undocumented. The parents I know were very hard working and contribute to their community much more than they take. Undocumented doesn't mean they don't pay taxes or that they aren't doing you a service picking your fruits and vegetables from the fields. President Obama was right to try to help these families and Congress has been neglectful of its role in making this a better country for all the people.
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The more overpopulated this planet gets, the more uncertain everyone's position becomes.
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This decision was predictable. Handwringing and feel-good "protests" will have no effect. Friends and relatives of undocumented immigrants, and concerned Americans generally, living in districts represented by obstructionist anti-immigrant Republicans need to register to vote, and vote those ignorant, scorched-earth un-American do-nothing Republicans out of office. That, if it happens in even a minority of such districts will be enough to make a big difference. A thousand New York Times pieces, ten thousands of comments to them, and hundreds of thousands of demonstrators waving Mexican flags will accomplish nothing.
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"hundreds of thousands of demonstrators waving Mexican flags "
That in itself should inform you on the character of these people, and what great "Americans" they would make, were they naturalized.
That in itself should inform you on the character of these people, and what great "Americans" they would make, were they naturalized.
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A decision was forced by a sloppy legal process that makes the statement, "We are a nation of laws," absurd. Our current "supreme" legal processes create as much clarity of procedure and rationality as a does a snake with its head cut off roiling and writhing in the dirt and dust.
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Bravo. Our nation has a right to control its borders. I don't care how long "unauthorized" persons have been here or how many dozens of babies they each have dropped on our soil to leverage their ILLEGAL actions (and freeload off the State). They cut in line in front of decent people who go through the long green card process and now they arrogantly demand to remain. I hope the nitwit in your photo who says she will take this matter to the ballot box in November is a citizen and entitled to vote. Otherwise, she should be the first person to be removed (deported).
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I have been around long enough to see some of the most important decisions handed down by the Supreme Court including Brown v Board of Education, Miranda, Roe v Wade, and more. This one along with Citizens United are, in my humble opinion, two of the worst decisions handed down by the court.
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The immigration problem is the main reason the people are so upset with their governments and responsible for the major shakeups both here and in Europe. This situation is giving rather questionable, unstable politicians an opening to gain a footing in elections against extreme left-wing liberals who believe in totally free immigration no matter what the consequences to the country. It certainly is understandable that our people are upset since immigrants will work for much less money than established citizens and businesses are taking full advantage of that fact. I'm sure there are many immigrant families in this country who are hard-working and would eventually, through the proper procedures, make law-abiding citizens, but, on the other hand, there are also many more undocumented people here who are in it for the free ride and all the entitlements they can manage to get, courtesy of the American tax payers.
The main point is that when someone enters this country illegally, it is breaking the law, and that is not acceptable no matter what the circumstances. You cannot pick and choose which law you want to follow and which law you want to break. If that was the case, I’d just rip up any speeding ticket I received and just ignore it or not pay taxes when I'm a little low on cash.
Obama is probably one of the best presidents this country has ever had, but he’s absolutely wrong on this one.
The main point is that when someone enters this country illegally, it is breaking the law, and that is not acceptable no matter what the circumstances. You cannot pick and choose which law you want to follow and which law you want to break. If that was the case, I’d just rip up any speeding ticket I received and just ignore it or not pay taxes when I'm a little low on cash.
Obama is probably one of the best presidents this country has ever had, but he’s absolutely wrong on this one.
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Multiple issues at play here, as always:
First, I expect to see a lot more Executive Actions used by future presidents from both parties. In refusing to act on so many compromise long-term bills or judge appointments, Congress has neutralized the SCOTUS and all but hamstrung the office of the POTUS - be it Obama, Clinton or the other guy. Just as spending bills are now broken up into parts authored just a few months at a time, any slightly controversial measure will now be enacted via Executive Action and will last only as long as a Presidency or until the other side overturns it. We will have even less progress forward OR backward.
Second, while I fully agree we need to 'do something' about immigration I am very empathetic about wanting to protect one's family and not break it apart. I am also conscious of the role the USA plays in stabilizing, destabilizing or allowing destabilization of other regions...and many immigrants come from those regions.
Finally, I personally know restarantuers, painting and landscape outfits who hire only 'illegals' because they work hard in lousy conditions for little wages under-the-table and no benefits. For those same owners and thier ilk, who knowingly benefit or have benefitted by hiring outside the law, preaching about how immigrants need to be deported is hypocritical at best and ironically shoots themselves in the foot.
First, I expect to see a lot more Executive Actions used by future presidents from both parties. In refusing to act on so many compromise long-term bills or judge appointments, Congress has neutralized the SCOTUS and all but hamstrung the office of the POTUS - be it Obama, Clinton or the other guy. Just as spending bills are now broken up into parts authored just a few months at a time, any slightly controversial measure will now be enacted via Executive Action and will last only as long as a Presidency or until the other side overturns it. We will have even less progress forward OR backward.
Second, while I fully agree we need to 'do something' about immigration I am very empathetic about wanting to protect one's family and not break it apart. I am also conscious of the role the USA plays in stabilizing, destabilizing or allowing destabilization of other regions...and many immigrants come from those regions.
Finally, I personally know restarantuers, painting and landscape outfits who hire only 'illegals' because they work hard in lousy conditions for little wages under-the-table and no benefits. For those same owners and thier ilk, who knowingly benefit or have benefitted by hiring outside the law, preaching about how immigrants need to be deported is hypocritical at best and ironically shoots themselves in the foot.
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I also voted twice for Obama, but agree this was a big stretch. We have three branches of government. The court's decision was about presidential overreach. But the larger issuer issue is why so many people from south America are willing to live in the dark for jobs and opportunity in the U.S. If this is allowed to happen, they are even rewarded, there is no incentive for people in these countries, Mexico, Honduras, etc., to press for meaningful change that will lead to fairer economic systems in the countries they are fleeing. They can just sneak across the boarder and find work here and the strain -- and yes, it is a strain -- will be a problem for our country.
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The immigration problem is the main reason the people are so upset with their governments and responsible for the major shakeups both here and in Europe. This situation is giving rather questionable, unstable politicians an opening to gain a footing in elections against extreme left-wing liberals who believe in totally free immigration no matter what the consequences to the country. It certainly is understandable that our people are upset since immigrants will work for much less money than established citizens and businesses are taking full advantage of that fact. I'm sure there are many immigrant families in this country who are hard-working and would eventually, through the proper procedures, make excellent, law-abiding citizens, but, on the other hand, there are also many more undocumented people here who are in it for the free ride and all the entitlements they can manage to get, courtesy of the American tax payers.
The main point is that when someone enters this country illegally, it is breaking the law, and that is not acceptable no matter what the circumstances. You cannot pick and choose which law you want to follow and which law you want to break. If that was the case, I’d just rip up any speeding ticket I received and just ignore it or not pay taxes when I'm a little low on cash.
Obama is probably one of the best presidents this country has ever had, but he’s absolutely wrong on this one.
The main point is that when someone enters this country illegally, it is breaking the law, and that is not acceptable no matter what the circumstances. You cannot pick and choose which law you want to follow and which law you want to break. If that was the case, I’d just rip up any speeding ticket I received and just ignore it or not pay taxes when I'm a little low on cash.
Obama is probably one of the best presidents this country has ever had, but he’s absolutely wrong on this one.
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Another instance in which the 8 member Supreme Court cannot reach a decision in a case of national consequence. Lower court Republican judges can make federal immigration policy but Republican congressmen cannot and will not draft legislative solutions to illegal immigration. Senate Republicans continue to fail to fulfill their sworn responsibilities to "advise and consent" on Judge Garland and dozens of other nominees for federal judgeships.
Since Texas has made this a States' Rights issue, perhaps the Republican legislators of Texas would raise their state taxes to build a wall on its border with Mexico.
And while they're at it maybe they can find a way to provide health insurance for the 25% of Texans who lack healthcare coverage.
Another excellent reason to vote a straight Democratic ticket in November.
Since Texas has made this a States' Rights issue, perhaps the Republican legislators of Texas would raise their state taxes to build a wall on its border with Mexico.
And while they're at it maybe they can find a way to provide health insurance for the 25% of Texans who lack healthcare coverage.
Another excellent reason to vote a straight Democratic ticket in November.
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The people subject to the ruling are not immigrants, they are illegals. By definition, the word immigrant refers to someone who legally emigrates, and not an infiltrator or stow away who slips across the border. This is not harsh, this is the rule of law. My wife legally emigrated to the US. It was difficult, but we legally took all the required steps. It is infuriating that someone thinks they can illegally walk across a border and have the same status that another had to earn. This time the former Constitutional Law professor (Obama) was not able to subvert the Constitution. Had Justice Scalia lived the result would be the same. The rule of law and our Constitution was affirmed..
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When a person circumvents the laws put in place to purchase a firearm, they are labeled a criminal.
When a person circumvents the laws put in place to enter The United States of America, they are labeled undocumented.
What's the difference?
When a person circumvents the laws put in place to enter The United States of America, they are labeled undocumented.
What's the difference?
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I think most Americans would be open to immigration reform if the Democratic Party would be willing to admit there are some aliens who should not be allowed to stay in the US, regardless if it “breaks up families.” Any reasonable immigration policy should require the mandatory exclusion of illegal aliens who pose a risk to health and public safety, including any felony convictions, multiple misdemeanors, multiple DUI offenses, drug convictions, habitual domestic violence offenders, or documented gang participation or affiliation. We have no shortage of home-grown drunk drivers, meth heads, gang-bangers, and wife beaters – there is no logical or defensible reason to burden or jeopardize the American citizenry by importing them from other countries.
The USA has the most liberal and inclusive immigration laws in the world, historically allowing more immigrants to legally enter than all other nations. As a sovereign nation, the USA and its citizens have an indisputable right to protect our borders, and that the U.S. and its citizens – not the head of a foreign government, not the United Nations, not any international immigration advocacy group – have the sole discretion in deciding who is allowed to enter and reside in this country.
The USA has the most liberal and inclusive immigration laws in the world, historically allowing more immigrants to legally enter than all other nations. As a sovereign nation, the USA and its citizens have an indisputable right to protect our borders, and that the U.S. and its citizens – not the head of a foreign government, not the United Nations, not any international immigration advocacy group – have the sole discretion in deciding who is allowed to enter and reside in this country.
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Why to come here? Is it really worth it? Just stay where you are, enjoy the life. The life here in America is totally different from a Hollywood movie.
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Hooray - ok to come into the U.S. legally - but not illegally. Don't understand why people don't get this BIG difference. Way to go Supreme Court. We are moving toward getting our country back!
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Many countries do not grant automatic citizenship to babies born in their countries when the parents are non-citizens. We need to review our laws granting automatic citizenship to babies born in the US to non-citizens. On the one hand we have very expensive clinics on the west coast who cater to Chinese women who want their preferably sons to be US citizens. What these women are doing is perfectly legal, but it shouldn't be. on the other, you have illegal immigrants who break the law coming here and then have children who they use to leverage themselves into automatic citizens.
The rule worked very well when we had a vast country to fill, the country spent zero in the way of social services for immigrants and our economic strength was growing by leaps and bounds.
The rule worked very well when we had a vast country to fill, the country spent zero in the way of social services for immigrants and our economic strength was growing by leaps and bounds.
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The Complexion Of Our Workforce
I know yesterday's Supreme Court (in)action will be seen as the wonderful event it is here in the neighborhood where I live. Now, instead of (primarily) Mexicans working on our landscaping crews, construction jobs, road and infrastructure repair crews, farm jobs, forestry jobs, food service crews, our very extensive local chicken- and turkey-processing plants, our hospital and hotel maintenance crews -- and I'm just getting started, but I can't forget the Hispanic proportion of the 2 million individuals who are employed by the U.S. gambling casino industry -- those jobs will now be available for our young U.S. Millennials.
Thank goodness for that. As I understand it, many of these Hispanic workers hold down two jobs simultaneously, so every one of them we send back "home" will open up two jobs for our energetic and highly motivated Millennials.
This is a great day for those of us who reside here between Mexico and Canada!
Who does President Obama (242 Executive Orders) think he is anyway? ... Ronald Reagan (381 Executive Orders)?
I know yesterday's Supreme Court (in)action will be seen as the wonderful event it is here in the neighborhood where I live. Now, instead of (primarily) Mexicans working on our landscaping crews, construction jobs, road and infrastructure repair crews, farm jobs, forestry jobs, food service crews, our very extensive local chicken- and turkey-processing plants, our hospital and hotel maintenance crews -- and I'm just getting started, but I can't forget the Hispanic proportion of the 2 million individuals who are employed by the U.S. gambling casino industry -- those jobs will now be available for our young U.S. Millennials.
Thank goodness for that. As I understand it, many of these Hispanic workers hold down two jobs simultaneously, so every one of them we send back "home" will open up two jobs for our energetic and highly motivated Millennials.
This is a great day for those of us who reside here between Mexico and Canada!
Who does President Obama (242 Executive Orders) think he is anyway? ... Ronald Reagan (381 Executive Orders)?
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People have a tendency to read newspapers that are in general sync with their political philosophy. The Times is, as they would say in Europe, left of center, meaning it is not dogmatically left but reasonably liberal. Have not read all 1400+ comments but a number the 'Reader's Picks' and based on this admittedly unscientific sampling of the opinions of the Times' liberal leaning readership appears that a significant majority is opposed to the President's stance on this issue. So, memo to Hillary: My opinion, it would not be the very good idea to take up the 'amnesty' banner as iit is quite possible doing so would result in more votes for Trump.
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What a shame to see all those Democrat votes lost in a single sweep. Mr. President will need another plan and another executive action.
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Hopefully Obama is quietly pleased with this decision as he has to know it was way beyond the bounds of his authority. The only reason for DACA was for him to get more votes, and he got them.
If he really thinks it's right to just give blanket amnesty to any illegal alien who hasn't committed a felony, yet, then he's not fit to lead this nation.
If he really thinks it's right to just give blanket amnesty to any illegal alien who hasn't committed a felony, yet, then he's not fit to lead this nation.
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Was President Reagan fit to lead the nation? He granted amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants. Was Pres.George H.W. Bush, who also granted amnesty unfit to lead? Or is it just Pres.Obama you have a problem with?
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Britain votes to leave the EU and now this.....fascism is alive and well in the UK and the USA.
To make sure that The Social Security trust fund remains solvent, Congress will needs to pass immigration reform so that those undocumented workers in the shadow economy pay taxes.
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All this mindless hand wringing on what to do. They broke the law, they have to go home. Tell them they will go to jail and they will leave by themselves, paying their own way. Most of them are law abiding except for illegal entry and not paying taxes and they will not go to jail.
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Obama's immigration and border policies have led to the most over medicated/morphine addicted America in history. Open border and lenient immigration policies have consequences. Mexican drug cartels are maiming Mexican and American citizens and communities. You cannot have a border/immigration discussion without discussing the vast wealth and power of the cartels and their impact on both sides of the border. The news out of New Haven today is like a mass shooting. 15 OD's and 2 deaths. That is more than scaring people with words. The cartels are in over 270 US cities. Chicago is Sinaloa's home port. From the St Louis Post-Dispatch yesterday "Some Mexican drug traffickers are constructing their own fentanyl pharmaceutical labs, while others are importing it from China. From a business standpoint, their investment is worth the hassle because the U.S. market holds boundless opportunity." The members of the cartels are the murderers, human traffickers, and rapists. Ignoring the cartels when discussing immigration is not a strategy.
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What in the world are you talking about? The border isn't open. Border security has never been tighter. As someone who lives only 9 miles from the border crossing at Calexico to Mexicali, I can tell you the security is rigorous. What most people don't know is that there are armed guards at checkpoints some miles into the U.S. on the highways leading away from Mexico. The guards with drug dogs check all the vehicles. Yes, they do find drugs and human trafficking. The ignorance in your comment is appalling. This process became tighter and more serious when Obama took office.
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Blue sky- are you insane? Obama has unilaterally dissolved the border! There is no border security. Illegals pour in unopposed, unchecked and unvetted
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I appreciate your comment. I spend much of the year in Tucson and go through El Centro multiple times a year. I have experienced some of the border security you describe. However, to the cartels the border is open. Most of what they want to get through they do by land, sea, and air. The cartels have become logistics experts. The quote that best describes it is "interdiction is like a broom trying to back the ocean." The evidence related to this statement is overwhelming. I include one 2016 link that ends up in KY but starts in Southern California. Or just follow the national fentanyl, opioid/heroin stories. http://www.wdrb.com/story/31172522/a-look-at-the-mexican-drug-cartel-pip...
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In 1940 my father escaped Holland and came into NY illegally. When arrested in 1942 by the INS and jailed he was given a choice to either be deported to the ovens of Hitler or go in the US Army. He served proudly and became a US citizen at the end of the war.
Obama's Executive Order was designed to continue the same policy and allow thousands of Dreamers to enter the Army and serve so they can become citizens. That program is now dashed. Hopefully the Republicans will volunteer to replace the Dreamers.
No INS judge is going to deport children who have been raised in the US back to a country they have no connection to particularly if they have succeeded with education and jobs in the US. In many cases the family has anchor babies who are US citizens. Congress could change that but has abdicated all responsibility. Instead the last major immigration law in 2008 allows thousands of women and children to come in illegally from Central America with due process rights to stay. And most require public assistance.But if you have technology skills , you can easily get a permanent H-B visa and replace an American worker at lower wages. What kind of immigration policy is that?
Obama's Executive Order was designed to continue the same policy and allow thousands of Dreamers to enter the Army and serve so they can become citizens. That program is now dashed. Hopefully the Republicans will volunteer to replace the Dreamers.
No INS judge is going to deport children who have been raised in the US back to a country they have no connection to particularly if they have succeeded with education and jobs in the US. In many cases the family has anchor babies who are US citizens. Congress could change that but has abdicated all responsibility. Instead the last major immigration law in 2008 allows thousands of women and children to come in illegally from Central America with due process rights to stay. And most require public assistance.But if you have technology skills , you can easily get a permanent H-B visa and replace an American worker at lower wages. What kind of immigration policy is that?
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This could be resolved with immigration fingerprinting and facial recognition database at the border entry points. Tie this to the LEA fingerprint databases and criminal will be denied entry. Fingerprint anyone with a green card or other than US passports. Create a database of all port of entry crossings and apply and an algorithm to sort the criminal element and illegals. … problem solved… its really not that hard if they really want to make it happen. 21st century solution to 20th century problem.
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Many of the commenters have been talking about the rule of law. How about the Republicans in congress willfully breaking the law by not holding hearings and giving a vote to Pres. Obama's Supreme Court nominee? The ultimate law of the land, the U.S Constitution, clearly and unambiguously says that President has the power to appoint Supreme Court judge (Article 2, Section 2). Nowhere in the document does it congress the right to transfer that power to the next president. If the Constitution had been followed the ruling might have been different. So conservatives smugly talking about the "rule of law" might consider that.
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Do cite for us what law the evil GOP broke by not scheduling a vote. I'm guessing it's the same law Biden would have broken by creating the Biden Doctrine. Reality check: Congress is not required to hold a hearing or a vote. No such law exists.
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The plight of immigrant families caught between nationalities is very tough. However I am relieved that we are not going to further reward those who have "anchor babies." I believe the antiquated laws giving automatic full citizenship to anyone and everyone emerging from the womb on US soil are generous enough, without that anchor entitling a dozen other relatives to a golden ticket as well.
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It is nice to see that the courts agreed with the pre-Executive Order Obama that his actions under the Executive Order were illegal.
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No taxation without representation
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the fact that we see illegals demonstrating against American law as well as rioting at trump rallys, when asked to enter legally tells me all I need to know. everyone in America thinks they are entitled, legal or not, taxpayer or not.
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Will there ever be immigration reform? Seems Congress for at least a generation has refused to face the issue.
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Good outcome as far as restricting the executive branch from unilaterally creating an end run around the legislative branch. But all the hatred against these currently undocumented immigrants in these comments is shameful. For those who think their ancestors arrived legally, you should be aware that your ancestors may very well have benefited from much more lax laws and amnesty and waiver provisions. The line between legal and illegal in immigration is not as black and white as you imagine. Immigration could be a win-win for our country and these folks. For immigrant-bashers who expect clean, maintained buildings, service, and food on your table, you might need to thank these undocumented immigrants who benefit our economy. Congress should act, but expectations of Congress are at an all time low when they cannot enact legislation restricting someone on a terrorist watch list from buying a military assault rifle.
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Republicans not doing their job were more responsible than the court. Why do we always follow policies that never worked before? It is because Republicans insist on thinking if may work this time, it never does but that is why we need a congress that does the job and know the history.
Wall show me one that worked?
Wall show me one that worked?
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Why didn't Congress do its job and pass a comprehensive immigration bill? The system was broken and Congress did not do its job because the GOP doesn't want to pass any bill which would favorably reflect on President Obama.
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Are we not all immigrants? Who stole America from the Indians? In order to obtain the Land we now call Home of the Brave, did we not murder, rape and seize? Hence, time heals all wounds!?
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The funny thing about history is that it's nuanced - ever hear of the Saint Patrick's Brigade that actually defected from the U.S. Army to fight on the side of the Mexicans during the Mexican-American War for example? (Partly because they were Catholics who abhorred the atrocities committed by the Protestant members of the U.S. Army)
Not all U.S. citizens have historically condoned of the actions of the U.S. government.
I am disgusted that the U.S. government has interfered with the governments of Mexico and Central America at the behest of corporate interests to shore up profits, and to make life extremely difficult for the poor of those countries, but I also know that the solution to this isn't to allow a never-ending stream of illegal immigration from those countries that - coincidentally - benefits those very same corporate actors.
Not all U.S. citizens have historically condoned of the actions of the U.S. government.
I am disgusted that the U.S. government has interfered with the governments of Mexico and Central America at the behest of corporate interests to shore up profits, and to make life extremely difficult for the poor of those countries, but I also know that the solution to this isn't to allow a never-ending stream of illegal immigration from those countries that - coincidentally - benefits those very same corporate actors.
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I am absolutely ecstatic! This couldn't come at a better time in Democratic history!
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Congratulations, America! Just tell me, who's gonna wash all those dishes, bus all them tables, change all those hotel beds, mow all those lawns, pick all your fruit and vegetables, toil in those horrible slaughterhouses, and do all the other dirty work none of you care to do, all for rotten pay, no benefits, and little chance of collecting the social security and medicare that is deducted from pay and unclaimed because the 'undocumented' cannot risk deportation? Go find me the 'real Americans' who will line up for those jobs. Be my guest.
Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your own face. Fools! The very same idiots who seem to believe erecting a tariff wall around the country will make them 'winners' in a global trade war. Kiss those Wal-Mart bargains from China goodbye, middle America, and brace yourselves for the next economic downturn.
Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your own face. Fools! The very same idiots who seem to believe erecting a tariff wall around the country will make them 'winners' in a global trade war. Kiss those Wal-Mart bargains from China goodbye, middle America, and brace yourselves for the next economic downturn.
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First we have a congress that will not vote on legislation, and now we have a Supreme Court that cannot make a decision. Our government is truly broken. We must put people in charge in November who are willing to do their job.
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You need to do it legally. I would not be let into, or allowed to stay in your country, unless I did it legally. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Our country needs to reevaluate our immigration policies in terms of Brixit. The opposition to much of the Obama's immigration plans bears considerable similarity to the political forces that led to Brixit, and the sooner we focus on that, the better we will be able to understand that global attitudes about global open societies are changing, and changing dramatically in some areas. The Supreme Court's failure to reach a decision might well have been a positive development because it allows us more time to examine our immigration policies and enact appropriate legislation to implement the will of the people about what sort of country we want to have and who should be able to be part of that country.
With Brixit, it is no longer going to be possible for people to come to Britain on their terms and effectively compel Britain to accept them on those terms. This might well be a good lesson for us as well. Should it be possible for people to come here unlawfully and then tell us the terms on which they should be entitled to remain? That would effectively mean that our country has no borders.
Putting it another way, perhaps our immigration policies should reflect the will and interests of the American people, not the will and interests of those who would like to come here. Even if Obama may be, we might not be ready yet for a totally open homogeneous global society in our country. The British were not either.
With Brixit, it is no longer going to be possible for people to come to Britain on their terms and effectively compel Britain to accept them on those terms. This might well be a good lesson for us as well. Should it be possible for people to come here unlawfully and then tell us the terms on which they should be entitled to remain? That would effectively mean that our country has no borders.
Putting it another way, perhaps our immigration policies should reflect the will and interests of the American people, not the will and interests of those who would like to come here. Even if Obama may be, we might not be ready yet for a totally open homogeneous global society in our country. The British were not either.
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Exactly as Republicans like it: the Supreme Court made as sterile by the tie of an unfulfilled vacancy as the Senate is made by its unconstitutional 60-vote rule, spreading the majority squelching ethos of the GOP’s government do-nothingness.
This shouldn't surprise too many. The President's executive overreach has come to a screeching halt. We have immigration laws in the United States, and no matter what, immigrants should follow the process just like the rest of the immigrants that came her before them. They should do it legally and wait their turn. Nothing wrong with that is there? Well, apparently the President and the SCOTUS have a difference of opinion on the matter, and as should happen, the rule of law prevails. The President and his executive branch were stopped dead in their tracks. IMHO the whole deal was about garnering future votes for the democratic party. Not caring for people. No matter that these people are breaking the law. When is it going to stop? Well, SCOTUS just provided the answer
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Donald Trump is going to win on this issue alone. Americans are tired of people who's first act in this country is an illegal one. Get here legally. I don't get to chose what law I am going to obey today and neither should an immigrant, politician, police officer or whoever.
Illegal immigrants aren't doing jobs Americans don't want to do, they are doing jobs Americans don't want to do for $5 an hour.
Illegal immigrants aren't doing jobs Americans don't want to do, they are doing jobs Americans don't want to do for $5 an hour.
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The GOP Dream to turn the country backward and into chaos is being brought to fruition. The refusal to name the 9th Supreme Court Justice is prime evidence of this lunacy. Shame!
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I love how many folks on here hold a hard line against "illegal immigration." I wish your ancestors had held a hard line against that forced free labor they inflicted on half the world in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. The very labor that "Made America Great" in the first place. Don't dare say I'm bringing up old stuff. For, it is this very old stuff, which has created your privilege and disenfranchised so many in the first place.
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How do you know the experiences of every U.S. citizen opposed to illegal immigration? I actually grew up in a sanctuary city - and went to public school in a sanctuary city - did you?
BTW - my ancestors came from non-slave owning countries - and some were themselves likely part of the "forced free labor" because they were Irish and subjected to genocide, torture, slavery and forced conscription into the British Navy for example so please get off of your high horse.
BTW - my ancestors came from non-slave owning countries - and some were themselves likely part of the "forced free labor" because they were Irish and subjected to genocide, torture, slavery and forced conscription into the British Navy for example so please get off of your high horse.
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"...bring a rationality to our immigration system". Perhaps start by securing our borders, like every other country?
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A win for sanity here today, a blow to open borders liberals who are itching to spend other peoples money. You can bet a vast majority of Americans don't want open borders madness if you can't even get a majority of NYT commenters to buy into open borders.
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These people broke the law when entering my country.I welcome legal,not illegal, immigrants.The sad part is 4 SCOTUS Justices believe breaking the law is acceptable.
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Obama Immigration plan was bold and audacious and included a hint of a path to citizenship which would have bolstered the Democratic vote bank. If it only was more based on humanitarian intent of keeping families together and providing documented temporary residence to undocumented US residents along the lines proposed in a CNN ireport (see link below) it may have had a different outcome. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-919761
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This is why I believe that all liberal Supreme Court judges will be a bad thing because by being split they make balanced decisions like this and affirmative action.
Thats why we have checks and balances. And it works.
Thats why we have checks and balances. And it works.
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Simple
we don't want people to be breaking our laws and then becoming US citizens.
we don't want people to be breaking our laws and then becoming US citizens.
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Good result.
Could have been better with Scalia there.
But best under the circumstances.
Americans do not want amnesty.
DAPA, like DACA, is tantamount to amnesty.
The only difference being that a different President can reverse it.
DAPA would have granted the real prize: legal status, even if theoretically temporary, it would have been renewed indefinitely.
Americans need to pay attention this coming November,
and vote for candidates for President, and for Congress,
won will enact and enforce comprehensive immigration control,
not amnesty whatever its thin disguise,
and who will appoint and confirm Justices to the Supreme Court who will not not allow loopholes.
Could have been better with Scalia there.
But best under the circumstances.
Americans do not want amnesty.
DAPA, like DACA, is tantamount to amnesty.
The only difference being that a different President can reverse it.
DAPA would have granted the real prize: legal status, even if theoretically temporary, it would have been renewed indefinitely.
Americans need to pay attention this coming November,
and vote for candidates for President, and for Congress,
won will enact and enforce comprehensive immigration control,
not amnesty whatever its thin disguise,
and who will appoint and confirm Justices to the Supreme Court who will not not allow loopholes.
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President Obama failed help the Dreamers achieve their dream. Not his fault entirely - but I am not prepared to believe that he didn't grasp the limits of executive action. On the other hand, he would've been on a firmer ground not aggressively pursuing deportation. But he chose to use that power to its limit. Result?- a disappointing presidency for the immigrants in general.
This temporary setback will come back to bite them when millions of Latino voters show their disdain for Donald Trump, or the other Republican nominee if they manage to unseat him.
Because tie votes do not result in opinions, the Supreme Court did not explain itself. Commenters should therefore refrain from speculating about what the Court meant with this "decision."
The NYT's Linda Greenhouse wrote the best explanation of the issues at stake in this case with her April 28 op-ed "When Smart Supreme Court Justices Play Dumb." She very neatly deflates the line of questioning by Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito and their "effort to construct a rhetorical smoke screen around the fact that DAPA is neither an 'unprecedented unlawful assertion of executive power' nor 'one of the largest changes in immigration policy in our nation's history,' phrases that the (Texas) lawyer hurled at the program in the opening moments of his argument."
President Obama's program fell within the executive branch's discretionary authority on how to implement immigration law.
Indeed, just four years ago the Court ruled (in Arizona v. the United States) said "A principal feature of the removal system is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials . . . Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all."
Note that while there are some 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the country, Congress never appropriates enough money to deport more than four or five percent of them in any given year. So, as Greenhouse notes, "discretion on the part of executive branch officials is hardwired into the system."
The NYT's Linda Greenhouse wrote the best explanation of the issues at stake in this case with her April 28 op-ed "When Smart Supreme Court Justices Play Dumb." She very neatly deflates the line of questioning by Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito and their "effort to construct a rhetorical smoke screen around the fact that DAPA is neither an 'unprecedented unlawful assertion of executive power' nor 'one of the largest changes in immigration policy in our nation's history,' phrases that the (Texas) lawyer hurled at the program in the opening moments of his argument."
President Obama's program fell within the executive branch's discretionary authority on how to implement immigration law.
Indeed, just four years ago the Court ruled (in Arizona v. the United States) said "A principal feature of the removal system is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials . . . Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all."
Note that while there are some 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the country, Congress never appropriates enough money to deport more than four or five percent of them in any given year. So, as Greenhouse notes, "discretion on the part of executive branch officials is hardwired into the system."
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Get real, GOP supporters. New immigration legislation needs to be created to deal with the existing 11 million illegal immigrants. It's simply not feasible to deport that many people. There aren't enough able bodied unemployed to fill the resulting positions opened by the exodus. As much as your bravado says otherwise. Think of the housing vacated. There would be economic collapse. Pass some common sense legislation to deal with this. Do it now. Or trust me, you will be sorry come November. People will vote to get your sorry, do-nothing representatives out of Congress.
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This result is a profoundly reassuring breath of fresh air.
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Hurrah! I have been waiting for this decision and I am elated! No one should be rewarded for entering this country illegally. Illegals are a burden to our country's middle class tax payers and to the poor.
This stereotype of illegals as innocent hard-workers is just that - a stereotype.
Even hard working illegals get section 8 housing, welfare, food stamps, free health care, etc. because they know how to work the system and cheat to receive benefits they are not entitled to. And then there are those who don't work and have half a dozen kids or more and the middle class pays. Over crowded schools, endless waits at hospitals, the destruction of neighborhoods, the cost of incarceration, social services, and the cost to local governments that cannot afford this invasion.
This stereotype of illegals as innocent hard-workers is just that - a stereotype.
Even hard working illegals get section 8 housing, welfare, food stamps, free health care, etc. because they know how to work the system and cheat to receive benefits they are not entitled to. And then there are those who don't work and have half a dozen kids or more and the middle class pays. Over crowded schools, endless waits at hospitals, the destruction of neighborhoods, the cost of incarceration, social services, and the cost to local governments that cannot afford this invasion.
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Obama brought it on himself. He had a chance to make a recess appointment of a liberal judge for the Supreme Court earlier this year and didn't even consider it. No to mention recess appointments of lower judgeships, which he also declined to do. Apparently he didn't want to ruffle Republican feathers, since they've treated him so well. Neo-liberals are no more on our side than neo-cons. They're all corporatists, beholden to big business and big money. The days of the Democrats as the people's party are long over. The days of democracy in America are finished.
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Like a broken clock Donald Trump is right twice a day. And this is what he's right about. Warning: Hillary could lose on this issue alone.
American workers are tired of being sold out.
American workers are tired of being sold out.
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And he's wrong or lying the whole rest of the day.
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Why a tie and keep suspense to continue forever quite unnecessarily. It should have been a nine member bench and the verdict is supposed to be very clear either way without any ambiguity. The sword shouldn't hang on the illegal immigrants throats for far too long but it already has, so sad.
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There are 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., and the government only has the resources to deport about 400,000 annually. In fact it is impossible to round up and deport all 11 million illegal immigrants. So what to do. The Obama executive order created an ordering of who should be deported first and who should be at the end of the line. It would have allowed those at the end of the line to come out of the shadows and all of this would have been temporary until Congress acted. When Congress does finally act, and someday it will happen; since you can't round-up and deport 11 million people, they will also have to give those very same people at the end of the line some sort of status only this time not temporary. The only difference the ruling makes, is that for now, millions of illegal immigrants will remain in the shadows instead of coming out into the open. Other than that, nothing has changed.
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When Reagan granted amnesty this situation was almost immediately foreshadowed because our nation is simply ignorant when it comes to rule of law and immigration. And if and when amnesty is granted (it probably will be granted unconditionally, again by our next President, Mr. Trump) then we will almost 100% go through the same cycle and be at this same point in another 30 years.
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Was the US breaking the "law" when we annexed massive portions of Mexico as part of our Manifest Destiny to be a nation of sea to shining sea?
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(Not Mark) Actually there was a war and then we paid for it. It wasn't 'annexed'. Not saying it was any better, but facts are pesky things.
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Facts are pesky, and they're conservative
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Guarded gate elites are isolated from the consequences of "immigration gone bad" -- but working-class/lower middle-class have to live with it. This disconnect fuels Trump.
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This progress will be undone overnight if Hillary is elected. Not so sure about Trump either.
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We were founded on the rule of law. Our Constitution has kept this country together and will continue to do so, Our checks and balance system has once again saved this country. Obama has no right to break the law, to create new laws, and thank God the Supreme Court did its job and checked him on his abuse of power.
We are only as good as we follow the laws of the land as outlined in US Constitution . As a nation, we have always honored our immigrants, as long as they obeyed our laws. Millions and millions of immigrants come to this country glad that we do have such solid laws that govern Americans and keep us safe.
Obama's motives under any circumstance are questionable as to if he really cares about the future of this nation. How could America last if we have lawlessness and illegal immigration is just the start.
We are only as good as we follow the laws of the land as outlined in US Constitution . As a nation, we have always honored our immigrants, as long as they obeyed our laws. Millions and millions of immigrants come to this country glad that we do have such solid laws that govern Americans and keep us safe.
Obama's motives under any circumstance are questionable as to if he really cares about the future of this nation. How could America last if we have lawlessness and illegal immigration is just the start.
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Legalizing illegal immigrants is not without precedent in American politics. The republican saint Ronald Reagan legalized illegals in 1986 (Simpson Mazzoli Act).
Having to deal with an obstructionist Congress, Obama was forced into acting alone. His idea of not wanting to break up families and family life by deportation is the humane and right way of dealing with unauthorized immigrants. Many have been absorbed into the workforce and are contributing to society.
The focus should be on stopping future illegal immigrant flow by increasing border security which I believe the Obama government is already doing.
Having to deal with an obstructionist Congress, Obama was forced into acting alone. His idea of not wanting to break up families and family life by deportation is the humane and right way of dealing with unauthorized immigrants. Many have been absorbed into the workforce and are contributing to society.
The focus should be on stopping future illegal immigrant flow by increasing border security which I believe the Obama government is already doing.
It's at times like these that I enjoy looking at the geography and history of the American Southwest. If my memory serves me right, white Americans illegally entered into Mexican territory and then claimed it for themselves, eventually winning after a war with Mexico (but not before they lost pretty badly at the Alamo). In fact, the United States, through advantageous and unfair treaties and seizures, took most of all of these lands. Now for the geography part - just look at all the place names: Texas, Colorado, Nevada, California, NEW MEXICO! These are actual words in Spanish! Then look at the cities - most are named after the founding Spanish mission or a Roman Catholic Saint (San Francisco without the accent sounds pretty religious in Spanish). It's pretty ironic isn't it? But kinda fair at the same time how karma works.
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(Not Mark) You're getting things a little confused. The Texas part was separate from the rest of the Southwest. The US government was not involved in Texas, but did fight the battle of Veracruz and then paid the Mexican government for the Southwest. This was all many years apart. As for the population, except for Spanish Catholic missionaries the people in this area were Native American, not Hispanic. The missionaries were here as part of a colonizing movement from Spain, which wanted to pacify and Christianize the native people to consolidate their power and to extract riches, such as gold, etc. This after forcing the expulsion of the Jewish population in their own land. Careful when talking about Karma, it can go a long way.
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Some comments infer the Supreme Court has decided on ruling. Had they forgotten we are missing a 9th justice all because the Republicans have vowed to refuse any nomination? I find this pretty hypocritical considering that Speaker Ryan recently admonished the Democrats after the sit-in and say "we did the"people's business" and "we did our job."
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People are so myopic. In this moment the scapegoat are the Hispanics, yes they came illegally and many have said that they broke the law. Really who broke the law them, who took agricultural jobs nobody wanted, or the farmers that hired them. In the present moment Hispanics are not the major illegal immigrants, the Chinese and Asians are the main group. Similarly they are taking jobs nobody else want. I do not understand why people do not react the same way against Infosys, Microsoft and Amazon whom they offer thousand of jobs to Indian and Chinese taking away jobs from American college educated that owe money from loans. Such a double standard. I believe it hurts more the Americans the 500, 000 Indian whom Microsoft have allow to come and take away jobs from college graduates . Than the jobs Hispanics and Asians are taking and nobody else want. Who it is hurting US more. Besides when you make these 11 million people legal they will pay taxes. The IRS know about these people and do not report them because "illegally/legally" they contribute to the IRS coffers, therefore for the retirement of all those that oppose to legalize them. At the end of the day people do not realize that it causes more harm having them ilegal than making them legal. Human justification and rational it is at the maximum of wrongs in USA.
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This is a victory for America, proving that an Imperial President can't overrule the series of checks and balances that are enshrined in our Constitution. The Rule of Law wins again.
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UK's Brexit vote is coming in and it looks like the Brexit might win. This is a warning for America too. In my 3 years in America, I have found that Americans are generally in favor of legal immigrants but not the illegal ones. If Obama and the Dems try to defy the Supreme court, anything can happen, even a potentially disastrous Trump victory.
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The SC made a rule based on process. I understand the frustration of illegal immigrants but at some point people need to understand the rule of law. This ruling by the SC was made objectively by following the rules mandated by the Constitution.
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Why must Obama wait until after the election if he claims he has the power to unilaterally act? Why wait? Why let the right thing wait until after an election. Is the entire issue merely a political scheme and if not how would one justify delaying an important humanitarian mission for months when a phone call and a flick of the pen could remedy the anxiety and suffering? Does the delay somehow profit anybody politically, and is that right?
Just a reminder here, Immigrants are not synonymous with illegal immigrants. Perhaps the most common misinformation is that families must be torn apart. This simply is not true, illegal alien parents still have the right to custody of their children. The parents and children are not forced to separate upon deportation, the parents may take the children with them which is only just and is protected by US law.
Just a reminder here, Immigrants are not synonymous with illegal immigrants. Perhaps the most common misinformation is that families must be torn apart. This simply is not true, illegal alien parents still have the right to custody of their children. The parents and children are not forced to separate upon deportation, the parents may take the children with them which is only just and is protected by US law.
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Four justices completely ignored law. Just ignore congress and have just two branches of government now.
"Four justices completely ignored law."
The left wing bloc...
The left wing bloc...
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This ruling prevents a power grab and an erosion of Congressional checks and balances that exist to protect us from overzealous chief executives. Sadly, it's only a tie and the ruling will likely be reversed if Hillary Clinton gets into office. Illegal immigrants may have families, may be hard-working, wonderful people (and I know and love so many of them), but breaking the law and stepping over millions of legal immigrants cannot be rewarded. And no president should be able to bypass the Constitution when Congressional impasse threatens his ideological leanings.
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Kind of surprised how many folks are jumping forward to get in a punch on the defenseless in the NY Times comments section. But, such is our world.
A world where the rich move their "companies" and "assets" to other countries to avoid taxes, while hard working people paying tens of millions in payroll taxes are treated like criminals.
I know who I would rather have living in my neighborhood.
A world where the rich move their "companies" and "assets" to other countries to avoid taxes, while hard working people paying tens of millions in payroll taxes are treated like criminals.
I know who I would rather have living in my neighborhood.
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Remember these undocumented persons are working hard, hard, hard, doing jobs that veterans, retirees, and disabled are not going to be doing. So many have come seeking asylum from horrendous conditions in their home country. Give them a voice and compassion and welcome.
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Yet another decision that demonstrates that the Supreme Court is little more than partisan politics draped in robes.
In partial defense, it would be a lot easier for them to do their jobs if Congress would pass some much needed amendments.
In partial defense, it would be a lot easier for them to do their jobs if Congress would pass some much needed amendments.
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Should a cop stop someone driving at 63 mph in a 60 mph zone ? I guess almost all of us would say "no". The supreme court by extension of the Appeals Court's decision says that the cop has no discretion.
Where was all the outrage when Presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush granted amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants?
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the only time the country is safe is when congress and the supreme court is not in session. look at the last decision by the supreme court which allows the police tremendous powers
"A divided Supreme Court bolstered police powers on Monday, ruling that evidence of a crime in some cases may be used against a defendant even if the police did something wrong or illegal in obtaining it."
"A divided Supreme Court bolstered police powers on Monday, ruling that evidence of a crime in some cases may be used against a defendant even if the police did something wrong or illegal in obtaining it."
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One detail that rarely gets mentioned in the push to legalize "undocumented" workers, is that once they become legal, they will no longer be willing to do the work "that Americans won't do". So then what? Bring in more illegals. That is precisely what happened after Reagan's amnesty. It's a vicious cycle. Maybe we need to bring back the "Bracero" program, that supplied TEMPORARY workers for the seasonal agricultural needs, who arrived on chartered buses and returned to Mexico the same way. What we have now, with flagrant disregard for the law, is breeding deep social divisions. Divisions that could elect Donald Trump. Maybe that's what we deserve.
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Re all the comments to the effect of "we can't take care of all these illegal immigrants": every study I've seen shows illegal immigrants contributing far more to the U.S. economy than they take from it in terms of "benefits." I can't even imagine the economies of NYC, Texas and California functioning without them -- they do the low-level menial jobs that Americans most legal immigrants just don't want to do. They're not here for food stamps and hand-outs-- unlike Americans they're too proud and have too much of a work ethic for that. The only thing that denying a portion of them work permits accomplishes is to enable employers to exploit them. I suppose that would make a lot of the commentators here happy but they shouldn't kid themselves that the services they provide would be easily filled by eager American workers if they were all deported. In NYC, where I live, all it would mean is far fewer restaurants, maids, nannies, and office shoe-shine boys.
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(Not Mark) Or perhaps, like Australia, which has tight border controls, it would mean much higher prevailing wages and a much tighter labor market. That would only benefit low-income workers such as African-Americans, who have an intolerably high unemployment rate.
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The court should never have even heard this case. It hasn't been decided by the lower courts. Evidently the conservative justices were so eager to punch Obama in the face they agreed to take it. It only takes four. Guess which four.
This is going to change nothing, and that is very bad. It means that millions will continue to pay taxes, work, and live in fear of being wrenched away from their American citizen children and spouses. The justices have inflicted Chinese water torture on undocumented immigrants.
The folks who say that immigrants should "play by the rules" should try it sometime. People wait decades even to get a hearing. With no immigration reform, it is hardly a wonder that we have so many people out of status.
This will only be fixed with a Democratic victory in November. I hope the American electorate knows that. It is not a partisan issue. Both Republicans and Democrats should be eager to regularize this situation.
Only the bigots and nativists will be dissatisfied.
This is going to change nothing, and that is very bad. It means that millions will continue to pay taxes, work, and live in fear of being wrenched away from their American citizen children and spouses. The justices have inflicted Chinese water torture on undocumented immigrants.
The folks who say that immigrants should "play by the rules" should try it sometime. People wait decades even to get a hearing. With no immigration reform, it is hardly a wonder that we have so many people out of status.
This will only be fixed with a Democratic victory in November. I hope the American electorate knows that. It is not a partisan issue. Both Republicans and Democrats should be eager to regularize this situation.
Only the bigots and nativists will be dissatisfied.
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Obama's not an idiot. What has this decision done? Put the issue back on Congress, who has done nothing, the most embarrassingly ineffective Congress in decades. The rabid stupidity that drives our immigration policy must eventually succumb to logic and responsibility, right? Right?
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By approving Obama's executive order, four of the justices in effect are saying that five million people committing an illegal act can be protected from prosecution by an edict from the President. Not so.
I voted for this President twice but he is wrong in this instance. If he (and others) want to provide relief they need to accomplish this politically, through the Congress.
I voted for this President twice but he is wrong in this instance. If he (and others) want to provide relief they need to accomplish this politically, through the Congress.
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Mexico currently has instituted a zero tolerance immigration policy on its southern border with Guatemala but criticizes any attempt by rhe US to control our borders. I don't know how we can deport 11 million people, but we can start by sealing the border and slowly attriting the number of people who are present in this country unlawfully.
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Our jails are filled with citizens who committed illegal acts (or maybe not). Why should non-citizens not only get a pass at being prosecuted (with its ensuing punishment),but be rewarded with the very rights that these imprisoned but actual citizens no longer have? It’s a divisive act on Obama’s part, and shows favoritism. Don’t count me in on the Obama-bashing crowd, just saying he’s kind of tone deaf to the those who expect legal to mean the same thing for all.
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A few members of the Senate need to take a cue from their House colleagues and have a sit-in until the chamber leaders allow a vote on Obama's court nominee.
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Republicans are gleeful that by breaking our system of government they managed to make hundreds of thousands of American children orphans. Their parents now face deportation, but the children are US citizens. There is no "there" for them to be deported to. So these young US citizens now will grow up without parents, loving in the foster care system, dependant on the taxpayer to cover their expenses. All because of blinding bigoted hate is the core ideal of modern conservative ideology.
Destroying lives, destroying the very fabric of our democratic constitutional republic.... This is what apparently gives conservatives the greatest joy.
Destroying lives, destroying the very fabric of our democratic constitutional republic.... This is what apparently gives conservatives the greatest joy.
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"So these young US citizens now will grow up without parents, loving in the foster care system, dependant [sic] on the taxpayer to cover their expenses."
Pure unadulterated nonsense! There is no reason -- NONE whatsoever -- that the children cannot accompany their parents...
Pure unadulterated nonsense! There is no reason -- NONE whatsoever -- that the children cannot accompany their parents...
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This is what happens when a party gerrymanders their way into retaining their seats in the house. This congress is not representative of their constituents, which is why the majority of their constituents voted for Trump. I wish they could finally *get it* but they insist on blaming others for the situation they are in.
The Republicans in congress have rendered the Supreme Court of the United States of America and the Presidency of the United States of America, ineffective. Their one goal as a party seems to be getting reelected, whatever it takes. They have not come forth with any plans to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, or to create a better health care plan than Obamacare--which they tried to kill 60 times, wasting VAST amounts of taxpayer money. No. They sit back and do as little as possible, while I pay for their enormous paychecks (compared to mine), and their luxurious health plans for them and their families (I WISH!), and their many, many vacations.
It's time that we take back our government and make them WORK FOR US, as they have sworn to do, instead of obstructing the President of the United States at every single opportunity, including the many they themselves were FOR, before Obama was elected.
The Republicans in congress have rendered the Supreme Court of the United States of America and the Presidency of the United States of America, ineffective. Their one goal as a party seems to be getting reelected, whatever it takes. They have not come forth with any plans to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, or to create a better health care plan than Obamacare--which they tried to kill 60 times, wasting VAST amounts of taxpayer money. No. They sit back and do as little as possible, while I pay for their enormous paychecks (compared to mine), and their luxurious health plans for them and their families (I WISH!), and their many, many vacations.
It's time that we take back our government and make them WORK FOR US, as they have sworn to do, instead of obstructing the President of the United States at every single opportunity, including the many they themselves were FOR, before Obama was elected.
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The people subject to the ruling are not immigrants, they are illegals. By definition, the word immigrant refers to someone who legally emigrates, and not an infiltrator or stow away who slips across the border. This is not harsh, this is the rule of law. My wife legally emigrated to the US. It was difficult, but we legally took all the required steps. It is infuriating that someone thinks they can illegally walk across a border and have the same status that another had to earn. This time the former Constitutional Law professor (Obama) was not able to subvert the Constitution. Had Justice Scalia lived the result would be the same. The rule of law and our Constitution was affirmed..
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"The sky plane caught fire over Los Gatos canyon / A fireball of thunder that shook all the hills / Who are these dear friends all scattered like dry leaves? / The radio said they 'were just deportees." - "Deportee," by The Highwaymen
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Prof. Dershowitz to Anderson Cooper at 7:18 pm Zulu: "I do believe generally with the Speaker [Ryan] that presidents have got too much power, and that the Framers of the Constitution intended for general laws to be adopted by Congress." So there, Laurence Tribe!
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Prof. Dershowitz to Anderson Cooper at 7:18 pm Zulu: "I do believe generally with the Speaker [Ryan] that presidents have got too much power, and that the Framers of the Constitution intended for general laws to be adopted by Congress." So there, Laurence Tribe!
This ruling should have been unanimous in rejecting the Administrations actions. If Obama wanted immigration reform, he should have compromised, been a leader, and gotten it done one way or another.
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Speaker Ryan called this decision by the Court a victory for the Constitution. He is wrong. It is a defeat for the Constitution engineered by Senate Republicans who refuse to do their Constitutional duty to give judge Garland an up or down vote on his nomination to the Supreme Court.
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Obama equates the immigration of poles, Italians, Jews, Irish at the turn of the century to these illegals. The people who came here at the turn of the century came here legally. The country needed labor as the country industrialized. These people came here illegally. Many are a burden on the state flooding school systems, health care etc.
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If we want to be competitive with China and India we need at least one billion people so we really, really must have more illegal immigration.
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We, the arravistes are a nation of immigrants. The new arrivals. A thousand years after the original migrants, at least. Who crossed the Ice Bridge. Before USA. Before Pilgrims. Before Manahatta.
Let's get over migrant nonesense and get to work on restoring happinees, honor, safety, cordiality, and forwardness.
Period. Let's go to work, shall we ?
Let's get over migrant nonesense and get to work on restoring happinees, honor, safety, cordiality, and forwardness.
Period. Let's go to work, shall we ?
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What do you expect from a court with Mr. Thomas and Mr. Alito? What do you expect from a party that didn't want to even consider filling Scalia's place? Politics not Justice rules supreme. And, by the way, to not allow the parents of children who have been raised here? Hey! From now on, no more tortillas, beans or delicious Mexican food, we are what we eat.
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Remarkable how many comments here on this 4-4 deadlock start off by saying, basically, "I'm a liberal ... but I believe in the rule of law."
No you're not, you're showing indifference to a whole class of people who will remain exploited due to this deadlock. And do you really believe in the rule of law, to the point where you've been sticking scrupulously to the posted 55 mph speed limit while cruising along in your BMW?
Obama's executive order was a humane thing to do. If the Senate would have acted on his Supreme Court nominee instead of shirking their own Constitutional obligation, this case wouldn't have ended in a deadlock.
No you're not, you're showing indifference to a whole class of people who will remain exploited due to this deadlock. And do you really believe in the rule of law, to the point where you've been sticking scrupulously to the posted 55 mph speed limit while cruising along in your BMW?
Obama's executive order was a humane thing to do. If the Senate would have acted on his Supreme Court nominee instead of shirking their own Constitutional obligation, this case wouldn't have ended in a deadlock.
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There will be a constant flow of illegal immigrants into the USA until all those many Americans who employ the former illegally to work in appalling conditions for very low pay, are charged, prosecuted, convicted and sentenced to hefty fines and lengthy prison terms.
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This is the last-gasp of (part of) a privileged, affluent SCOTUS bullying those in a lower socioeconomic position. Being undocumented is nothing new, however the stigma of being poor, semi-literate, and Hispanic as undocumented is very much the "new normal" and discriminated against. Yes, this very much a racial and cultural hotbutton that no rich, self-entitled political figures will admit to.
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To all of the commenters who are so sure that "legal" is the same thing as "right", I would remind you that at many times in our history, it has been legal to do really bad things - slavery comes to mind. Our immigration laws are a mess. Congress has refused to take action for too many years now. I hope all of you are contacting your Congressional representatives to demand humane and sane immigration law reform. "Legal" immigration is not an option for most poor people, unless you're from a favored state like Cuba and get a free pass. My stomach is churning reading all this rhetoric about "legal". Have you really failed to understand that our laws are not always good policy?
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What is amazing is that 4 justices voted to affirm the administration's clearly lawless position. This was as clear cut a question of law as any case before the Supreme Court, and 4 justices presumably let their politics override legal reasoning.
As far as I know, there's no partisan divide on the standing doctrine. All this talk about standing is just a justification for justices to vote whichever way they already wanted. Does anyone want to bet that this decision was voted on any other line than the 4 conservative justices on one side and the 4 liberals on the other?
As far as I know, there's no partisan divide on the standing doctrine. All this talk about standing is just a justification for justices to vote whichever way they already wanted. Does anyone want to bet that this decision was voted on any other line than the 4 conservative justices on one side and the 4 liberals on the other?
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Today's decision is a perfect example of how the "status quo" is not the problem. The problem is how Obama has tried to reinterpret our immigration laws.
In many cases, Americans actually prefer the "status quo" when it comes to immigration enforcement.
In many cases, Americans actually prefer the "status quo" when it comes to immigration enforcement.
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Out of sight, out of mind.
One suspects Clinton and Obama are secretly doing high fives. This is going to ensure a maximum turnout from minority voters in November as if the motivation of Trump wasn't enough. And where does this leave Rubio in Florida?
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Next to terrorism its immigration phobia that's agitating the Western mind with no curative legal remedy or the reassuring public institutional support in sight.
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I also wanted to add that if we really want to absorb these folks then we should change the law and take the illegality out of it. In the new law anybody who is able to stand on/touch US land or territory irrespective of their visa status should automatically become a citizen and be able to enjoy free food/shelter/medical benefits/education/decent job etc. Being unprivileged they should be given preference in college admissions/scholarships and government and private sector jobs. After all we are a nation of immigrants who work hard, pay our taxes and care! Let everybody join the party as long as it lasts!!
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Or how about this-- if your neighbor has possessions that you covet, break into her house and take whatever you wish. If you can touch it, it's yours!
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No it's not the Supreme Court tie that blocked Obama Immigration plan it was The Federal District Court and the Federal Court of Appeals.
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Mr. President:
What part of 'parents here illegally' is so hard to understand?
Having children here, who are by definition, US Citizens, in no way diminishes the illegality of them showing up. Being here long enough to have children is no reason to waive what pathway has been established for becoming a citizen.
And what do you say to those who came here, legally, studied for their citizenship test, and passed it? Sorry, all your work was for naught, since we're now allowing those entering illegally to stay if they birth a child here?
This is the correct decision. Thank goodness.
What part of 'parents here illegally' is so hard to understand?
Having children here, who are by definition, US Citizens, in no way diminishes the illegality of them showing up. Being here long enough to have children is no reason to waive what pathway has been established for becoming a citizen.
And what do you say to those who came here, legally, studied for their citizenship test, and passed it? Sorry, all your work was for naught, since we're now allowing those entering illegally to stay if they birth a child here?
This is the correct decision. Thank goodness.
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"What part of 'parents here illegally' is so hard to understand?"....What part of you can't round-up and deport 11 million illegal immigrants do you not understand? After you get done congratulating yourself for being right, please explain how you solve the problem.
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You don't have to round them up. You just have to stop handing them promises of amnesty. They have left certain states because tough laws were passed. They will leave this country as well as long as we make it clear they are not welcome here after breaking our immigration laws.
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Let them self deport. If the strain of not having the benefits of American citizenship becomes too great for illegal aliens, then too bad. No round up required. That's a red herring.
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Former First Lady Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill are no political fools. They'll pass on rallies criticizing this Supreme Court decision, since the 5 million illegal immigrants here can't vote. And the Clintons know that Obama's DARPA order is not a winning political issue for Mrs. Clinton. The Clintons, their political surrogates, and the Times will therefore have to go hard after Trump this week to deflect public attention from the Clinton's hard political calculation for a muted public response to the Court decision. The Clintons may also stage a gun safety rally with the Democratic House sit-in demonstrators.
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Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
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But please, no more tunnels dug under the border in National City and San Ysidro.
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Yes Richard, we know. But what his doesn’t say is “sneak in the back door and never let them know”.
In the end, I prefer the constitution, a bit more to it.
In the end, I prefer the constitution, a bit more to it.
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The huddled masses who came here in the 19th and early 20th century came here to work, assimilate, learn English and become Americans. That is not the case with too many of today's immigrants.
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I agree that Obama's Executive Order on Immigration was a big stretch, but he had promised to help immigrants and he did his best. Of course, if the Republicans had not blocked his Supreme Court Nominee the ruling would have gone otherwise. We were once a country that welcomed immigrants.
My heart bleeds for the families that came in during the days when the Republicans chose not to enforce border regulations and who will now find their families torn apart by this latest Supreme Court decision.
Sad. Hopefully this will change, not too long after the election and inauguration. Children should not be punished for the risks their parents took.
My heart bleeds for the families that came in during the days when the Republicans chose not to enforce border regulations and who will now find their families torn apart by this latest Supreme Court decision.
Sad. Hopefully this will change, not too long after the election and inauguration. Children should not be punished for the risks their parents took.
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We still welcome immigrants....legal immigrants!
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We welcome immigrants. Those are people who enter with permission not people who smash in our door and then demand to be to be treated like members of the family.
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I'm not so sure, I am very much in favor of immigration reform, but the issue in this case is standing. It is hard to conceive of a situation where executive action so broad does not have a measurable impact on states, thus giving them standing to sue. Legally the battle is not over. Now the temporary injunction at ands and the case can proceed to trial.
No surprise that when Obama landed here at Moffett Field a few hours ago, the first politician to greet him was the man who issued the stand-down order to San Jose police to let Bernie's immigrant hooligans riot when Donald came to town: Sam Liccardo, Democrat, Hillary fan boy, and since November the San Jose mayor. Sam was keen to be congratulated by Obama for trying to tar Donald. It backfired badly, putting lots of egg on the faces of Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook, the anointed Ones.
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Our "constitutional scholar" swore to enforce the laws of our country. I wasn't aware he gets to choose. Certainly, it seems a bit presumptive to assume that Judge Garland would vote to affirm the President's actions. He might think the President has to follow the law. But then, he isn't a "wise Latina".
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Okay - a bad result. Not a final one, however; not if Clinton is elected and selects then next Supreme Court Justice. (I'm assuming that the Republicans will continue to ignore their constitutional responsibility to provide a hearing and vote to President Obama's nominee.
Had Scalia lived, the executive order would have been declared beyond President Obama's constitutional authority, and that would have been that. As it is, although the appellate court decision stands, and the order is currently unenforceable, a new plaintiff can renew the issue next year after the new justice has been sworn in. Possibly the outcome will be 5-4 to uphold the order.
Had Scalia lived, the executive order would have been declared beyond President Obama's constitutional authority, and that would have been that. As it is, although the appellate court decision stands, and the order is currently unenforceable, a new plaintiff can renew the issue next year after the new justice has been sworn in. Possibly the outcome will be 5-4 to uphold the order.
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The hubris of the white man never ceases to amaze.
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Every other country in the world, including those not dominated by the white man, enforces the laws of their land. The "hubris" is identical.
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Don't bite the taxpayer's hand that feeds ya.
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"U.S. immigration law is very complex, and there is much confusion as to how it works. The Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA), the body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members."
Unfortunately we do not allow unlimited immigration. This country is broke and 18 trillion in debt and is becoming a third world country in many vital statistics. It is time we put an end to birthright citizenship. Yes we need immigration but this country cannot afford an open border especially for unskilled immigrants. Sometimes we just have to say no.
Unfortunately we do not allow unlimited immigration. This country is broke and 18 trillion in debt and is becoming a third world country in many vital statistics. It is time we put an end to birthright citizenship. Yes we need immigration but this country cannot afford an open border especially for unskilled immigrants. Sometimes we just have to say no.
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Our debt has nothing to do with the immigrants. You can thank Bush for his tax handouts, and two wars. He was given a surplus and spent it like a drunken sailor.
We are a nations of laws governed by a process called the Constitution. That same process enabled President Eisenhower to integrate schools in Alabama despite their governor's objections, Not obeying the law to give those who do not obey the law what they want is not what a President should do.
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The law is the law. You are here illegally. Leave and come back through the established process.
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Let's get the talking points out of the way here. For 95 percent of those who aspire to immigrate, there is no "established process" if you're not related or married to someone here.
I find the Supreme Court situation interesting. You win some and you lose some. I agreed with the result in this case but disappointed with the affirmative action case. I was pleased, however, that none of my friends went home and burned down their neighborhoods or looted their local CVS stores or staged a sit-in anywhere, especially the floor of the House of Representatives.
Oh, well. Life goes on. What extreme position should we take tomorrow?
Oh, well. Life goes on. What extreme position should we take tomorrow?
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Obama's executive order 'free pass' was a slap in the face and an insult to the many multiple millions of naturalized American citizens who followed the letter of the law, crossed all the 'T''s and dotted all the 'I's in the long arduous and difficult process to obtain their citizenship, which for doing so they should be congratulated and celebrated, they are those who make America the great country that it is. Obama's high handed attempt to open a back door to citizenship to illegal immigrants is in respect to those who followed the rules morally indefensible.
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My husband being one of the ones who followed the rules, paid the fees, and finally became an American citizen (although not before his GreenCard was "hijacked" within the Immigration system but that's another issue).
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Charlie Rangel, Countrywide's Congressman, as usual looked well oiled, well coiffed, accessorized, and full of his extemporizing Self before the microphones after decamping from the overnight temper tantrum on the House floor. Then Maxine Waters, of all people, began to talk about "the rules," which of course did not apply to her and her conniving husband when caught in the Minority Banking scandal in Los Angeles. Smell the Democrats' hypocrisy.
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Umm, wasn't the Emancipation Proclamation a mad power grab by one Abraham Lincoln?
And as blacks were not considered to be full citizens, wouldn't it technically have been possible to have Clarence Thomas's parents back to Africa?
We have a Supreme Court of four old and tired Catholic men who need to retire ASAP.
And as blacks were not considered to be full citizens, wouldn't it technically have been possible to have Clarence Thomas's parents back to Africa?
We have a Supreme Court of four old and tired Catholic men who need to retire ASAP.
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Jesus said …I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”Matthew 25:31-46 – “
You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien; for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” Exodus 22:21
Leviticus 19:33-34 and 24:22 – When the alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”
Numbers 9:14 and 15:15-16 – “…you shall have one statute for both the resident alien and the native.”
Deuteronomy 1:16 – “Give the members of your community a fair hearing, and judge rightly between one person and another, whether citizen or resident alien.”
You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien; for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” Exodus 22:21
Leviticus 19:33-34 and 24:22 – When the alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”
Numbers 9:14 and 15:15-16 – “…you shall have one statute for both the resident alien and the native.”
Deuteronomy 1:16 – “Give the members of your community a fair hearing, and judge rightly between one person and another, whether citizen or resident alien.”
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"Alien"? That's racist.
Perhaps you can read us the part where it says "and the alien shall have all the rights and privileges of the citizen and shall never be expelled for any reason."
Look around, illegal aliens do operate under the same "statues" as we do; one of which is "you need permission to be here".
Perhaps you can read us the part where it says "and the alien shall have all the rights and privileges of the citizen and shall never be expelled for any reason."
Look around, illegal aliens do operate under the same "statues" as we do; one of which is "you need permission to be here".
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Obama's speech was so typical, he blames the Republicans and the fact that there are only 8 Supreme Court justices for his defeat here, forgetting that if Scalia had not died unexpectedly and before his time, this would have been a slam dunk 5-4 decision and the majority would probably have written a scathing indictment of the President's abuse of power and disregard for the Constitution. It is still a stunning well deserved defeat for his ill conceived plan. It also shows how the court is now thought of by the executive branch as simply a political tool that the President can mold for his own purpose by his crafty selection of justices. If only Obama got his way and could stack the court with another progressive then he would have been given the green light to ignore the Constitution and make his own immigration laws, a terrible precedent for the future.
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Are you aware that the Senate passed a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bill in 2012? Are you aware that the majority of members of the House of Representatives were also in favor of passing the Senate bill, but the Republican leadership in the House refused to bring the bill to the floor of the House for a vote? Are you aware that there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., and the Executive branch only has resources to deport about 400,000 a year? Are you aware that the Obama executive order was temporary and would be immediately replaced by any immigration reform passed by Congress? It makes a difference if actually understand what is going on.
The only "stacking" of the Supreme Court in the past 70 years has been by Republican Presidents, not Democrats. Obama's choice have barely shifted the ideological balance of the Supreme Court and even going from Scalia to Garland would be a modest shift compared to the rightward yankings of Bush 41, Bush 43, and Nixon in particular. Bush 41 played the cynical race card to replace the most liberal member with its most conservative under the guise of 'maintaining' by replacing the court's 1st ever African-American with its second, even though the 2nd (Clarence Thomas) stood for the antithesis of everything the 1st (Thurgood Marshall) represented - the single most radical ideological upheaval in Court history, was by an ideological activist GOP President, not a Democrat.
You don't get to just not replace a deceased Justice - that's what a 3-year-old does when they don't get their way playing by the rules so they just grab their toys and shut down.
You don't get to just not replace a deceased Justice - that's what a 3-year-old does when they don't get their way playing by the rules so they just grab their toys and shut down.
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Don't think for a minute that the administration counts this as a loss. The timing was planned well and executed strategically. Either way the vote went, they would count it as a win. Now they have stirred the pot and made a contentious election even more so. Typically that favors the liberal side at the polls.
The Supreme Court has now become a waste of taxpayer money. Since each decision. from here on out will end with a 4-4 tie, lets save our middle-class dollars and just agree to go with the appeals ruling. What we have here is another surreal, bizarre, ugly conservative problem due to obstruction of our government.
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Why does it seem the laws against hiring illegal immigrants are never, ever, enforced? If those laws were enforced, end of problem. So the next question is: who benefits? The people and corporations who hire illegal immigrants, which decimated industries that used to be the source of good paying jobs for Americans. If corporations were told that they would lose their corporate licenses if they were caught hiring illegal immigrants, that would put a crimp in this. While illegal immigrants squared off against Americans who need to work for decent wages, and we are divided, the bad actors who could care less about all of us laugh.
And the canard that Americans won't do those jobs is exactly that. Americans don't want to do jobs where they are paid illegal, low, wages.
And the canard that Americans won't do those jobs is exactly that. Americans don't want to do jobs where they are paid illegal, low, wages.
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The problem of putting the onus on the employer can only be valid if there is clear and indisputable evidence that the employer knew he was hiring people who did not have the required documentation. To this end it has been suggested that every U.S. citizen should be issued a bio-identity Social Security card, and that every immigrant with approved "green card" status also be issued a bio-identity card. It would then be reasonable to require that every employer have the bio-identity card approved by the government before someone can be hired. Given the system as it exists it is not fair to require the employer to independently ascertain with certainty the legal status of their employees.
Every time I went through Customs at Heathrow I had to explain that I would only be there for a few days, and on business, luv. "Leave to enter United Kingdom for six months" was then stamped on my passport. "England is an island, and that is all you need to know," its most famous 20th century Poet Laureate, "Willie," said. Making it easy to keep rabies out, along with malingerers from other countries.
Obama, our latter-day Icarus, is constantly trying to fly above his pay grade.
Obama, our latter-day Icarus, is constantly trying to fly above his pay grade.
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Hey, it's only the LAW! I mean, who cares about that, right? Oh and we should just forget all the misdemeanor criminal convictions, those are like "so what"! And Mexicans really do need political asylum, they are all in danger that their government will kill them! LOL
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I guess you must not read the newspaper. Actually, their government does kill them https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/20/violence-mexico-teachers-p...
On the off chance the Trump wins the election, liberals should be glad that the Court has struck down the expansive use of executive powers. Just think what "President Trump" would do if he could justify his actions based on a failure of Congress to act (or at least act like he wanted them to.)
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I wish people would pay attention. There was no court ruling. None. The only thing that happened was that the injunction against the executive order (from the district court in Texas) was not overturned.
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I'm afraid I don't understand the quotation marks around Trump. Is that some "clever little quip," or what?
He could do no worse than Obama.
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What so many seem to misunderstand in this issue is that children brought here, raised here, do not know their country of origin, only know the U.S., do exceptionally well in school, serve in the military, and did not come here willingly without documentation. And so many adults came here without documentation because they could not obtain the docs, or fled horrific acts of violence in their home countries. These are not the immigrants who went through WAP at Ellis Island. Sure, there are some bad apples in the basket, but they are the minority.
Thanks for reading my comments.
Thanks for reading my comments.
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For those of us who lost relatives because of immigration regulation; for those suffering now from the rules, there is little sympathy. It may sound cruel, but as a child of legal immigrants, my opportunities are diminished by those who ignore the law. Think for a moment: Would you rather live next to someone who worked within the system, or a family that follows its own rules?
The problem is Mr. Obama has no interest in or ability to work with Congress. He made no effort to reach out to Congress and propose any meaningful changes such as reforming the H1b visa to change it from an outsourcing program into one admitting skilled workers with a clear route to citizenship. Or moving to regularize the illegals. No, he has to grandstand, along the way setting up the "beneficiaries" for Trump to deport.
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The Senate passed a bipartisan immigration reform bill in 2012. A majority of the members of the House of Representatives were prepared to vote in favor of the Senate bill. The only reason we don't have immigration reform is that Republicans in the House refused to let the Senate bill come to the floor of the House for a vote. Now explain to us again how Obama is responsible for the House Republican leadership's refusal to allow a vote.
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The one thing I don't really understand is why everyone wants to sensationalize this outcome by saying that the "signature" piece of Obama's legacy has been thwarted. Doesn't that diminish all the other good things he's done which, arguably, far outweigh the importance of this ruling?
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Another attempt by the President to circumvent the separation of powers shot down. Stay tuned, more to follow.
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If Congress members had any spine whatsoever, and would actually do their jobs, this would never have needed to take up the Supreme Court's, and our, time.
I'm not sure anymore what their purpose is.
I'm not sure anymore what their purpose is.
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I get a kick out of the people who oppose immigrants in the country because "we can't take care of our own" -- they are almost always the same people opposed to programs that "take care of our own", too.
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You mean people who oppose illegal immigrants right? There is a huge difference between illegal and legal. For clarification, it's kind of like the difference between one who shops at a store and one who robs a store.
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It's really a Corporatist Democrat position to not see illegal immigration as a problem since it disproportionately impacts poor and working class U.S. citizens.
I am increasingly viewing myself as a Labor Democrat these days because of the classist and elitist positions that the modern day Democratic Party has chosen to adopt, while shrilly shouting down any dissent as "racism" or "xenophobia."
I am increasingly viewing myself as a Labor Democrat these days because of the classist and elitist positions that the modern day Democratic Party has chosen to adopt, while shrilly shouting down any dissent as "racism" or "xenophobia."
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Let's get practical: this is a decision to maintain the status quo, for better or for worse. Let's not overhype it.
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The U.S. has exploited the labor of the undocumented and parts of the economy would fail without this steady supply of cheap labor. These people have paid the price and deserve amnesty - they would be hardworking, good citizens, the kind of people the U.S. should want. I just hope that this really mobilizes the U. S. latino community and they vote out the Republicans big time.
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The law is the law. Ask the people who came here legally if is was easy. Why should their sacrifice be ignored for people who came in the quick and easy way?
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So, take them in Canada.
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And who has reaped the profits of that exploitation of illegal immigrant labor? Certainly not U.S. citizens in the meatpacking or construction industries for example, whose wages have been undercut by the presence of a huge pool of illegal immigrant labor.
Of course, it's probably difficult for you to relate since you live in Canada, which actually enforces its immigration laws.
Of course, it's probably difficult for you to relate since you live in Canada, which actually enforces its immigration laws.
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It is a sign of how cruel and warped the Right has become that a case based on such a specious claim--intolerable "burden" to Texas of having to issue extra driver's licenses--was allowed to carry the fate of so many people.
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Ken Paxton has gall. He is being investigated for Securities Fraud!
I do not think is a rebuke. It was a tie. If the Republican party had even considered Merrick Garland - the Obama selection for the Supreme Court who was an obvious compromise choice - this would have atlas gone one way or another. Republicans don't believe in government - so why do we entrust them to run it?
In my opinion we incarcerate may too many people in this country and don't consider the damaging affects to families enough. Again, it was under Republican presidents that these immigrants crossed the border and had children. We can break up more families or we can be kind-hearted and empathetic to their plight and keep these god fearing good people together as family units.
No we prefer to throw blame and shame. Like we are all so perfect! I hope we can get our Congress working again by throwing out the Republicans this Fall!
I do not think is a rebuke. It was a tie. If the Republican party had even considered Merrick Garland - the Obama selection for the Supreme Court who was an obvious compromise choice - this would have atlas gone one way or another. Republicans don't believe in government - so why do we entrust them to run it?
In my opinion we incarcerate may too many people in this country and don't consider the damaging affects to families enough. Again, it was under Republican presidents that these immigrants crossed the border and had children. We can break up more families or we can be kind-hearted and empathetic to their plight and keep these god fearing good people together as family units.
No we prefer to throw blame and shame. Like we are all so perfect! I hope we can get our Congress working again by throwing out the Republicans this Fall!
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Gracias Supreme Court you have strengthened the Latinos and the Asians to coalesce around a bridge not a wall builder. The narcissistic pathological liar draft dodger will get trounced because there are simply not enough old white cowardly males afraid of "Others". Obamanos!
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Like almost everyone else on this thread, my ancestors were all immigrants to the US. Legally. They arrived here with the proper visas and permits. Once they began working, they became Americanized. They learned English and spoke it with their children. They urged their children to do well in school. They did not wave their natal countries flags, nor did they believe they had more rights than US citizens.
The Mexican and other flags displayed confuse me. If you are American, why wave another banner? And if you are not -- yet -- American, why not show some gratitude for this country?
If I wanted to move to Sweden, I would have to jump through numerous paper hoops, and even then -- despite Swedish cousins -- would probably be rejected. It would not occur to me to insist on entry into a nation not my own, nor to demand services and residence. That takes a special sort of chutzpah.
The Mexican and other flags displayed confuse me. If you are American, why wave another banner? And if you are not -- yet -- American, why not show some gratitude for this country?
If I wanted to move to Sweden, I would have to jump through numerous paper hoops, and even then -- despite Swedish cousins -- would probably be rejected. It would not occur to me to insist on entry into a nation not my own, nor to demand services and residence. That takes a special sort of chutzpah.
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And I realize this will brand me as a bigot - but how many sob stories have we heard of people in the country for 20 years or more who don't speak English? Just heard another one today on NPR. While I sympathize with the difficult personal situations mostly these are economic migrants who knowingly broke the law to enter the US. In contrast, Syrian and other refugees fleeing war and destruction commonly speak English and are educated professionals. Our system is messed up...
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I am an independent and don’t simply vote for a party. I compare the individuals and make a rational decision. Not taking a vote for Merrick Garland is so immature. It reminds me of high school children. There is no description for the current federal Republican Party. The party needs a complete restructuring or is going to fail.
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How about the overnight Romper Room the playful Democrats showed America as their latest variation on Governance? "Puerile" is not a strong enough descriptor, I'm gonna go with "infantile."
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O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas In search of what I meant to be my home-- For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore, And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea, And torn from Black Africa's strand I came To build a "homeland of the free." - Langston Hughes "Let America Be America Again"
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Langston Hughes wrote a wonderful poem about this it is titled
"Let America Be America Again"
"Let America Be America Again"
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There is far less illegal immigration now than there was under George W. Bush, and NOW people are getting in an uproar about it?
If the Republican Congress thinks the 11 million who are here -- and nearly all of whom have been here since the Bush years -- let them raise taxes and hire millions more INS, FBI, DHS, so they can round everyone up. Of course it won't happen. Republican employers wouldn't stand to lose some of their employees. Many of these people have been here since Reagan's time and have children and grandchildren who were born here.
All President Obama tried to do was to concentrate our limited resources on identifying and sending back criminals, the unemployed, and those who arrived most recently -- common sense. His Justice Department was still using the full resources it had available to continue deportations. A planeload flew from Toledo to the border just yesterday. Get a grip, folks.
If the Republican Congress thinks the 11 million who are here -- and nearly all of whom have been here since the Bush years -- let them raise taxes and hire millions more INS, FBI, DHS, so they can round everyone up. Of course it won't happen. Republican employers wouldn't stand to lose some of their employees. Many of these people have been here since Reagan's time and have children and grandchildren who were born here.
All President Obama tried to do was to concentrate our limited resources on identifying and sending back criminals, the unemployed, and those who arrived most recently -- common sense. His Justice Department was still using the full resources it had available to continue deportations. A planeload flew from Toledo to the border just yesterday. Get a grip, folks.
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We have NO idea how many people are being sent back to Mexico, but since 2012, the ICE people have simply driven busloads of illegal aliens a state or teo away and released them without any permission or even notice to the cities or states involved.
From 2009, Obama has ordered that any person who simply walks up to the US side of the border and then walks back to the other side as an immigrant returned by ICE.
This is the same sort of trick played with the unemployment data and why each month's economic data are worse when re-edited the next month.
From 2009, Obama has ordered that any person who simply walks up to the US side of the border and then walks back to the other side as an immigrant returned by ICE.
This is the same sort of trick played with the unemployment data and why each month's economic data are worse when re-edited the next month.
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Which dimension is it that you're observing, if one may ask?
Corporations hide billions of dollars overseas to avoid paying US taxes, resulting, an increased burden on the average American taxpayer. These same corporations have exported jobs overseas as well, and for jobs they cannot export, abuse the special visa program to hire foreign help at reduced wages, then demonize immigrants; to take the focus off their guilt in the destruction of the middle class. I cannot see the difference between the US and third world countries in the way our citizens are treated. Didn't immigrants settle this country????
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The good old USA - continuing on as a first rate - second rate country.
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While I support reform, Obama tried to do an end run, he shouldn't have done something as major as this by fiat. He should have garnered greater support among the public and should have made greater efforts over the past 7 years to build better relationships with congress. Democracy is hard work.
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A "heartbreaking" decision when Pres. Obama has deported more immigrants than any other president before him? Crocodile tears. He knew this was coming. He leaves the presidency with no legacy. A foolishly rushed and misguided Nobel Peace Prize, an eviscerated health insurance program (a single payer plan could have been this president's single greatest legacy to Americans), and now this... Time to come up with a third party and strong progressive leadership in this country. America needs it.
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It is curious how some here are critical of what they call Obama's "executive overreach", but there is no mention of Congress and the "gang of eight", who have either failed or flat out refused to enact comprehensive immigration reform. And the same critics of Obama are curiously silent about Congress thumbing their noses at the constitution by refusing to hold a hearing for the ninth Supreme Court justice. Hmm.
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Nothing in the Constitution compels such a vote, as we all learned in eight grade. Or was it the seventh?
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The sharp blow should be to the Republican Party for their heartless refusal to let the issue go to the floor and their activist judges.
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Wow, such hateful comments. I'm ashamed to be an American on so many levels for many reasons today. This is just one of them. Doesn't anyone realize that the illegal immigrants are contributing to our economy? If we deport the millions of undocumented workers, there would be economic collapse. Whether you like it or not, they are contributing to our country. Besides, do we really lack such empathy? Are we soulless? Even Saint Ronald Reagan, who I cannot stand for lots of reasons, gave illegal immigrants amnesty back in the 1980s. To all the Trump supporters: Hello! There's already a wall along most of the border. What are you going to do about the tunnels? And you better breed and train some more patrol dogs. There's no getting anything past the dogs.
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So if we just enforce the laws this wouldn't be a problem. We've coddled these people long enough, lets help out our own people for once. It's amazing they come here illegally while the legals have been waiting to get in. Then once they cross illegally they demand we give them similar rights, on top of food stamps and free education. This is the biggest joke I've ever heard. Also for people saying it's impossible to deport them all, it is very likely once we get serious about deportation they will self deport. There are nice examples of this in the past.
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In a democracy 1 person should not have the power to allow people here illegally to stay. Simple enough
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That "one" person was twice elected President by the majority of voters. That is Democracy. It is the GOP that is thwarting democracy by refusing to consider his Supreme Court nominee.
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I am finding it so disheartening to read the vast majority of the most-recommended comments. I get that there is an argument to be made here about executive orders, but I don't get the seemingly total lack of empathy for people who have immigrated here illegally. So many come from absolutely dangerous or otherwise unlivable places. I can't believe that most of the commenters would just stay put in a place like Honduras even if their only other option was illegal immigration. And the "my family followed the rules" argument ignores that for much of US history, only a few desired groups had that option. I don't know what the answer is to the issue of illegal immigration, but heartlessly rejecting the pleas of desperate people is not it.
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There is no lack of empathy, there is a lack of tolerance for defying US laws. There is a legal process in place. But these illegals defy our laws, then demand the the benefits of citizenship. It is a slap in the face of those that spent years going through the legal means to gain citizenship, and all other US citizens.
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I would argue that the influx of illegal immigrants the US current has to contend with--I myself prefer the term "undocumented" or "unauthorized immigrants"--is closely associated with the disastrous foreign policy of the US in the 1970s in South and Central America, where the US was waging a proxy war against the then Soviet Union and communism. The US assisted in the establishment and propping up of regimes that, in turn, have systematically undermined the economy, social and political infrastructure of many Latin American nations. Nearly 50 years on, many of these countries are in such bad shape that residents can only think of one thing: Go North, young men (and women), go North!
My grandfather, a Jew from what was then Poland (now Ukraine), immigrated here legally in the early 1920s, out of fear of rising anti-Semitism in Europe. But by the time he had saved enough to bring his wife and two daughters over, the 1924 immigration laws had been passed (sharply reducing immigration from southern and eastern Europe, in favor of western Europe) and it was impossible. So he moved to Canada and brought them to the US through Canada. I'm sure this was illegal. Should they all have been sent back? The family members who remained in Europe all died in the Holocaust.
Why would anyone with any sort of association with Mexico or Central America ever vote for a Republican?
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Indebted to Ollie North and Iran-Contra's finding of far-right death squads, I expect.
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Lower taxes.
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The LEGAL Hispanics are voting GOP as they mature enough to realize that wide-open borders is killing the pay situation for those legally here.
Go ask naturalized Americans or Green Card workers why the liberal view is killing the worker's chance to succeed. Just because J. has been taught who to hate doesn't mean the bloggers are ever right.
Go ask naturalized Americans or Green Card workers why the liberal view is killing the worker's chance to succeed. Just because J. has been taught who to hate doesn't mean the bloggers are ever right.
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Next, let the deportations begin. The project could be called Operation Home. It could be a non-profit effort so Americans can volunteer to assist and others can donate money; some paid positions could be created making Operation Home a job creator across the country.
We can hire Guides to guide whole families back to the border. Bus companies could be hired for transportation; security firms could be hired for illegals safe transport. Monies given to illegals in the form of public assistance could be redirected to fund Operation Home; anyone can donate to the project. Non-profits can pitch in to assist with money and/or volunteers.
Operation Home keeps families together, guides millions of illegals back home, unifies the country in terms of efforts given, relieves the US of unnecessary burdens, & sends a clear decisive message around the world: we do not tolerate criminal activity.
We can hire Guides to guide whole families back to the border. Bus companies could be hired for transportation; security firms could be hired for illegals safe transport. Monies given to illegals in the form of public assistance could be redirected to fund Operation Home; anyone can donate to the project. Non-profits can pitch in to assist with money and/or volunteers.
Operation Home keeps families together, guides millions of illegals back home, unifies the country in terms of efforts given, relieves the US of unnecessary burdens, & sends a clear decisive message around the world: we do not tolerate criminal activity.
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Wow, how convincing! How about setting up camps for them too? This so reminds me of Germany in the 1930's!! The concentration camps created jobs also!
The US is a stronger and better country due to it's racial and ethnic diversity. Thus, I am a strong supporter of immigration--LEGAL immigration. Has anyone thought about the fairness to the millions of would-be immigrants who are waiting for their applications to be processed? These are people who respect our laws and willing to play by the rules, precisely the type of immigrants we want. Favoring those who consciously chose to break our laws over those who choose to respect our laws is completely immoral. When illegal immigrants were legalized during the Reagan administration, the pact with Americans was that it was going to be a one time thing, never to be repeated. Otherwise no one will respect our borders and immigration laws again. I can't believe that this is even being discussed.
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The worst path forward for our nation is more immigration, legal and illegal, as the hard silent bite of human-caused climate change is closer and yet closer to our 'heels'. In California the 'leaders' are stating drought. If not drought, yet climate change, what are the consequences of more humans and less water?
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The consequences are Desalination Plants, if Jerry & Gavin ever lose their bullet train fantasies and concentrate on more urgent problems -- like water.
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When are the people who give these so called illegals jobs going to suffer any consequences? The answer never - because they are rich.
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How many times we have to say a "No" is a "no"? Why would we even bother to have legislation If we keep making exceptions to the existing laws and people from the top- Presidents included( Bush, Clinton, Obama) failed to enforce the immigration laws.
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I'm a little confused by people calling this a decision. In the tie ruling, the high court, or what's left of it, seems to have decided not to decide, rather than to affirm or strike down a lower court ruling. It may carry the weight of a decision, but it seems more like they're saying, "We really don't know, folks. Sorry."
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Who is going to cut the grass?
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People who own the grass, of course. That's what I do. I mow my lawn. I'm 66 and female, and I'm here to tell you that it's just not that darned hard.
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What is wrong with the minds of Ginsburg, Kagan, Sotomayer, and Breyer? Or don't each have one? There is constant complaint about the Conservative justices voting in lockstep but little about this liberal bloc which never ever wavers from the Obama liberal line. They are hard line left-wing; completely blind to counter argument. With their acknowledged obstinacy and close-mindedness they are - above all - a disgrace to a once revered institution.
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Kagan has never even tried a case in a courtroom. That's "affirmative action" by any other name, picking the less-qualified candidate to discharge a Harvard-centric political debt.
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Mind you, Scalia specifcally asked the President to nominate Kagan on the grounds of her smarts, but don't let that little detail fuss you none.
The most sensible thing to do is to immediately expel all illegal aliens from our country. It just makes good sense.
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This seems to be paving the way for Trump's deportation scheme.
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It's as if the United States can do, and say whatever it wants, good or bad, whenever it wants, and be dammed to world opinion.
When one examines the political persuasion of Americans, looking at a 2014 comprehensive Pew Research Center analysis, it's clear that the Republican party is poorly represented, yet they control and direct government, effectively blocking the will of the people, see excerpt and link -
"The share of independents in the public, which long ago surpassed the percentages of either Democrats or Republicans, continues to increase. Based on 2014 data, 39% identify as independents, 32% as Democrats and 23% as Republicans. This is the highest percentage of independents in more than 75 years of public opinion polling."
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
So how is this blocking achieved; I've concluded that both parties, Republican and Democrat, contrary to what they publicly portray, are in fact working together, always, maintaining an agenda that owns, controls, and manages the nation's wealth, keeping the people economically enslaved, and in perpetual fear.
Obama, Hillary, and all the other charlatans pretend to care, all the while rolling on the floor, in paroxysmal hilarity at how easily the people can be divided and made to believe in a benevolent government.
Wake up people; your government owns you, and will never free you, unless forced to; world history proves this, repeatedly.
When one examines the political persuasion of Americans, looking at a 2014 comprehensive Pew Research Center analysis, it's clear that the Republican party is poorly represented, yet they control and direct government, effectively blocking the will of the people, see excerpt and link -
"The share of independents in the public, which long ago surpassed the percentages of either Democrats or Republicans, continues to increase. Based on 2014 data, 39% identify as independents, 32% as Democrats and 23% as Republicans. This is the highest percentage of independents in more than 75 years of public opinion polling."
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
So how is this blocking achieved; I've concluded that both parties, Republican and Democrat, contrary to what they publicly portray, are in fact working together, always, maintaining an agenda that owns, controls, and manages the nation's wealth, keeping the people economically enslaved, and in perpetual fear.
Obama, Hillary, and all the other charlatans pretend to care, all the while rolling on the floor, in paroxysmal hilarity at how easily the people can be divided and made to believe in a benevolent government.
Wake up people; your government owns you, and will never free you, unless forced to; world history proves this, repeatedly.
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Not every high school student qualifies to go to Harvard and not every immigrant has skills or assets that America wants or needs. Foreign nationals who do not qualify to immigrate to this country has many other options besides illegal entry. The United States should deport them all.
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Everyone says Congress should legislate on this issue and the President should not preempt its decision. So, why doesn't Congress legislate. The Republicans have had a majority in both houses since 2012. What are they waiting for?
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how much more legislation do we need as a country? The laws are already on the books. We dont need new laws just the enforcement of existing laws of which past Presidents of both parties seemingly ignore and the current president actually tried to go ahead and circumvent existing laws. if the current and existing laws were enforced then there would be no reason to create new ones
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Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan are suffering from yellow-stripe-down-the-back disease. They prefer getting invites to all the Cool parties instead of remembering the promises they have made since 2009.
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Doesn't the word 'illegal' mean 'against the law of the land', then why so many of us are shedding tears for this minor setback. I bet nobody, not even a single 'illegal' is going to be deported as they have not been for years. I live in NYC area where it appears being legal is an oddity. Over the years this country has been mired in 'obsessive political correctness and liberalism' that takes for granted its law abiding citizenry and is rapt in catering for the so called 'underdogs' even if they happen to be ones who pay no taxes (working off the books) and utilize every available freebie under the sun.
While we shed tears for these illegals who move more freely among us than the legals, I know of scientists, scholars and entrepreneurs who are unable to come here, sometime even for a short while, because they are denied visas. We should also do away with the so called 'Family Visas' as it continues to add to our immigration burden.
While we shed tears for these illegals who move more freely among us than the legals, I know of scientists, scholars and entrepreneurs who are unable to come here, sometime even for a short while, because they are denied visas. We should also do away with the so called 'Family Visas' as it continues to add to our immigration burden.
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Would should people who entered the country illegally and cut in line have any rights? Why? They are responsible for their own actions, including the fate of their children. I support Obama on most issues, but not on this one.
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Now we can begin the deportation of America's hotel and motel maids, whose jobs, now that they will pay $25.00/hr will quickly be filled by laid off programmers of both genders. Ditto gardeners, lawn mowers, fruit and vegetable harvesters, nannies, construction laborers...
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and inflation will come roaring back, as wages and costs of doing business go up....
Really, this is going to play so well with Latinos. And American conservatives continue to commit political suicide over whiteness.
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The decision is more like an abstention, rather than an affirmation. The justices had the arrogance to vote as if the ninth yet to be named justice voted to affirm. This is as ridiculous as one may get.
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This is not surprising since the vote would have been 5-4 if Justice Scalia was still alive. Despite this fact, the obvious truth is that many voters benefit from exploiting illegal immigrants, so they have no incentive to support the legalization of these workers, even their children. That is the real motive behind the rhetoric. Let's skip the nonsense about the constitution and the rule of law.
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"Latinos will turn out in unprecedented numbers in a wave that will overwhelm the Republicans and Donald Trump. The Supreme Court has just made our get-out-the-vote efforts so much easier."
That will be just fine, as long as no illegal immigrants vote.
That will be just fine, as long as no illegal immigrants vote.
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I came to the US to pursue a PhD degree, spouse and a then 3-year-old in tow. In the seven years it took me to complete my studies, I earned roughly $1000 a month as a teaching assistant. Under immigration regulations, my spouse, however, was not allowed to obtain legal employment. Adhering to these regulations meant that for seven years we had to make do with my income. Upon graduation I found a position with a company willing to support my request for immigrant status, a process that took three years. Yes, my income grew, but my spouse still was not allowed to obtain legal employment until after our immigration status had been confirmed. In all, my spouse was without employment for ten years, which, among other things, meant that she was unable to build up a pension. Moreover, virtually all the academic credentials she had earned in our home country were declared null and void on account of US education regulations. Now, consider the plight of illegal immigrants, who generally have limited to no education, are impoverished, and have to cope with threats to their children’s lives, issues neither I nor my spouse ever had to contend with. How realistic, then, is it to expect these people to jump through the same immigration hoops my family and I had to jump through? I’m not condoning illegal immigration. I just want to make Americans aware of the fact that legal immigration to this country is a far more complex issue than they think it is.
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U.S. immigration law is very complex, and there is much confusion as to how it works. The Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA), the body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members.
Unfortunately we do not allow unlimited immigration. This country is broke and 18 trillion in debt and is becoming a third world country in many vital statistics. It is time we put an end to birthright citizenship. Yes we need immigration but this country cannot afford an open border especially for unskilled immigrats. Sometimes we just have to say no.
Unfortunately we do not allow unlimited immigration. This country is broke and 18 trillion in debt and is becoming a third world country in many vital statistics. It is time we put an end to birthright citizenship. Yes we need immigration but this country cannot afford an open border especially for unskilled immigrats. Sometimes we just have to say no.
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Yay, and welcome to America. Pay as little attention as possible to the dolts.
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Obviously, no country in the world can afford or tolerate "unlimited immigration", not even the richest nation on Earth. Keep in min, though, that people who have a relative stable job and life a-in their own country, generally have no need to emigrate, not even to the richest nation on Earth. And the bulk of immigrants to the US, dare I say all immigrants to the US, be they legal or illegal, come to the US not for themselves, but first and foremost for their children. I would be perfectly happy to go back where I came from, for I had already lived that life. At no point was my life in danger, my job did not pay as well as my job here in the US, but I survived w/o too much pain and suffering. My son, on the other hand, had not lived the life that I had, and if there is one goal all parents the world over have in common, it is to give their kids a better life than they themselves have ever had, even those parents who had the privilege of being born in the richest nation on Earth.
I am so relieved by this decision.
If a president -- any president -- can give something as substantial as a work permit to 4 or 5 million illegal immigrants, then what else could a president do by executive action alone? How about deny 4 or 5 million Americans a benefit that they were counting on? Who knows what else?
I am as disgusted by Congressional inaction as anybody. But the answer cannot be that because Congress chooses to do nothing, a President can step in.
No, that is not the system we have. No, we do not want that kind of a system.
The people and Congress won today.
Thank God.
If a president -- any president -- can give something as substantial as a work permit to 4 or 5 million illegal immigrants, then what else could a president do by executive action alone? How about deny 4 or 5 million Americans a benefit that they were counting on? Who knows what else?
I am as disgusted by Congressional inaction as anybody. But the answer cannot be that because Congress chooses to do nothing, a President can step in.
No, that is not the system we have. No, we do not want that kind of a system.
The people and Congress won today.
Thank God.
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It is rare that the comment section is opened for immigration related issues. Regardless of which side of the argument you stand (open borders or lawful immigration), President Obama whose job is to enforce the laws of the country was creating his own laws through rule making. This was a great overreach on his part and would have changed the very nature of our system of government where the President can ignore laws and through rule making usurp the function of congress. The Supreme court is now a political hack group where politicians pick and choose those would support their political leaning. Due to this, the risks for the US are high, in that a future rogue President can do anything he or she wants as long that party has stacked the Supreme court with political hacks of their own political beliefs. So while the coin turned one way today, it could very well turn the other way in the future. No US laws are sacrosanct as long as the Supreme court becomes an extension of congress and starts dancing to the tune of their overlords.
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Break into the country illegally, have a baby (who automatically becomes a citizen), and thus jump the line over thousands of people who have been waiting months, if not years, to immigrate legally.
Somehow Obama (and many Democrats) consider this just and fair. I wonder how fair those waiting to come in legally, who want to do things the right way, consider it.
Somehow Obama (and many Democrats) consider this just and fair. I wonder how fair those waiting to come in legally, who want to do things the right way, consider it.
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Optimally, they arrive at the border 8 months pregnant. Get across, and live in a campsite, or a friend's backyard, for the final few weeks. Several large houses in residential neighborhoods of Los Angeles were discovered in 2013, filled with 3rd-trimester women from India, awaiting delivery on US soil, then back to Mumbai with a guaranteed refuge for their child in the future.
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Predictably the protestors are massed around the Supreme Court waving their flags and filled with outrage at the decision. Should we allow illegal immigrants who are concerned only with their own selfish needs dictate to us how our country should be run?
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Funny to think that if Trump were a 19th century mexican and he had
built a wall along the frontier,. New Mexico, Texas, Arizona and California would´t not be now in the US.
Or where do people think names like San Francisco, Santa Fe, Los Angeles, etc come from ?
built a wall along the frontier,. New Mexico, Texas, Arizona and California would´t not be now in the US.
Or where do people think names like San Francisco, Santa Fe, Los Angeles, etc come from ?
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The ink of Obama's famous pen has just run dry. I can't recall any other president who found so many of his edicts ruled unconstitutional. Apparently he forgot those words of the oath he recited at his inauguration - those words about upholding the Constitution. Or maybe he was just kidding. Imagine that President Obama, the US actually is a nation of laws, and even the president is obligated to these.
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i'm very liberal. but, why does every other liberal believe that illegal immigrants should be given carte blanche? For many decades the U.S. has allowed immigration from all over the world. legal immigrants. yes we should reform our immigration policy but dealing with an existing dynamic doesn't really solve anything (except for those 11MM people).
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Others have said it, but it bears repeating:
If illegal immigration becomes a litmus test in this election, Hillary could lose.
Many people disagree with Trump on nearly every other issue, but most Americans agree with him on this one. Very few want to build a wall, but they do want to see our immigration laws be enforced. Some of Trump's suggested methods may be inappropriate, but his objective is exactly what most Americans want.
Hard to imagine that Hillary doesn't get this. If she does get it, and nevertheless disagrees, I'm far from sure I'd like to see her become our next President.
If illegal immigration becomes a litmus test in this election, Hillary could lose.
Many people disagree with Trump on nearly every other issue, but most Americans agree with him on this one. Very few want to build a wall, but they do want to see our immigration laws be enforced. Some of Trump's suggested methods may be inappropriate, but his objective is exactly what most Americans want.
Hard to imagine that Hillary doesn't get this. If she does get it, and nevertheless disagrees, I'm far from sure I'd like to see her become our next President.
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Also, Americans in general are tired of being taken as fools. Especially average hard working tax payers, which aren't wealthy people BTW, they don't pay taxes.
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"The 4-4 tie, which left in place an appeals court ruling blocking the plan, amplified the contentious election-year debate over the nation’s immigration policy and presidential power."
If these comments are any indication, there's really not much of a "debate." Those who support open borders would like us to believe there is, but they appear to have very few supporters.
If these comments are any indication, there's really not much of a "debate." Those who support open borders would like us to believe there is, but they appear to have very few supporters.
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The woman who spoke about the conservative Justices voting against the community must realize that illegal immigrants cannot vote in the U.S. OR can they?
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Its nice to see that Obama is going to face at least some minor obstacles in his quest to flood the country with democratic voters. Its shocking the total contempt he has shown for the laws of this country. Its very confusing for me why anyone would think that illegal immigrants shouldn't be deported. There is no country in the work that wouldn't deport me if I went their illegally. This is why trump is going to win. It makes zero sense to most people. Unless you have a political agenda.
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The DNC (whose idea this is) is counting on people being afraid of being called names. And it's working.
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As Newt Gingrich said in 2010, "Obama is the most dangerous president we've ever had." Very prescient.
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Let them stay, regardless of the law and punishment. Also, let them bore more babies.
Shameful. This is United States of America. But as always, no one want to do nothing and reality is that they will have to deal with it at some point.
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Changing the semantic of illegal alien to undocumented immigrant does not change the fact immigration law has been broken. It is up to the congress to enact law that would grant work permit to the millions who wish to work in this country, not a pathway to citizenship to people who broke the law. Invoking compassion and all other arguments do not alter the fact that law has been broken. So why then do we have laws if they are not going to be enforced; except when it is convenient for some people.
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As a legal immigrant to this country, these 11M illegal immigrants have my sympathy and I understand where Obama is coming from including the fact that deportation is not really practical here. But what's the end game, are we going to continue to do this every so many years. This surely can't be the solution.
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My mother (born in NYC) was the daughter of immigrants escaping the collapse of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Her parents were undocumented, as all were at the time, coming through Ellis Island.
My German--born father fled the economic collapse of Germany, first to Canada, with papers, then undocumented across the foot bridge at Niagara Falls(NY), eventually to NYC, a pre-WWII career as a pastry baker, US army service during WWII with post WWII USA citizenship). His Long Island chicken and egg farm, and my Mom's work at ATT, was the foundation for my successful career in high education.
At age 70, those subject to this SCOTUS ruling, these "undocumented" human beings, these parents, are mine too. Shame on those who deny that for themselves and weaken the fabric that "and Make America Great."
They are us.
My German--born father fled the economic collapse of Germany, first to Canada, with papers, then undocumented across the foot bridge at Niagara Falls(NY), eventually to NYC, a pre-WWII career as a pastry baker, US army service during WWII with post WWII USA citizenship). His Long Island chicken and egg farm, and my Mom's work at ATT, was the foundation for my successful career in high education.
At age 70, those subject to this SCOTUS ruling, these "undocumented" human beings, these parents, are mine too. Shame on those who deny that for themselves and weaken the fabric that "and Make America Great."
They are us.
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Big week for obstruction. No movement on gun violence. No movement on immigration when a Texas judge was able to hold up Obama's attempt to address a problem that the GOP has failed to do anything about for 10 years. All this rubbish about overstep reframes the history where a grotesque and pressing problem has continued for years and years and years. 9% approval rating for Congress because nothing is being done. We are held hostage to extremists whose signature move is to obstruct. And guess what, if they didn't obstruct the judges, then we might have other justices who would help us address the issues that the GOP won't. Read the record. Obama begged them to send him a bill. They didn't. I am so tired of the trope about Obama overstepping the bounds when it is forgotten how we got to this disgraceful state. Change is coming and I for one can't wait for these extremists to be pushed out of the way.
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Not at allots the same thing. We are a country afraid to enforce the laws we have in place.
We have gun laws - do we enforce them?
We have immigration laws - do we enforce them?
A little hint, the answer is no to both. And until we do, what's the point of passing new laws?
We have gun laws - do we enforce them?
We have immigration laws - do we enforce them?
A little hint, the answer is no to both. And until we do, what's the point of passing new laws?
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Regarding immigration -- would imprisoning 5 million illegal immigrants make any difference -- no. Would imprisoning 5,000 white businesspeople who knowingly provide jobs to foreign workers against the law, including using visa fraud, make a difference -- yes.
The fact that we do not prosecute the people _responsible for_ illegal immigration proves that we are not serious. This is unfair both to citizens and the foreign people being exploited by illegal employers within the USA.
The fact that we do not prosecute the people _responsible for_ illegal immigration proves that we are not serious. This is unfair both to citizens and the foreign people being exploited by illegal employers within the USA.
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it will never happen to the 1%
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In the eyes of many descendants of the people native to this country, the number of illegal immigrants greatly exceeds 200,000,000. We can't poll those who were exterminated in the past 500 years, can we?
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How could they possibly understand if we could?
There were Four Supreme Court Justices who do not want to enforce the law as well as a sitting President who makes up an Edict on a personal whim - this is dangerous by any description - the country is out of control!
A Muslim who kills 50 people and says he did it due to his religious beliefs as does Saudi Arabian government when they execute Gays every year for the last ten for religious beliefs - and Obama says the Killer was a "lone wolf"
Now he characterizes Illegals as "immigrants" so the law should be ignored.
We don't have control of the Constitution anymore - there is no truth in the Man - we have a Constitutional Lawyer who "hates" the Constitution
A Muslim who kills 50 people and says he did it due to his religious beliefs as does Saudi Arabian government when they execute Gays every year for the last ten for religious beliefs - and Obama says the Killer was a "lone wolf"
Now he characterizes Illegals as "immigrants" so the law should be ignored.
We don't have control of the Constitution anymore - there is no truth in the Man - we have a Constitutional Lawyer who "hates" the Constitution
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NYT: "Plan to Shield Millions From Deportation"
This should have read "Plan to Allow Millions of Illegal Immigrants to Remain in US" Let's not put a rosy spin on this politically motivated scheme, NYT.
This should have read "Plan to Allow Millions of Illegal Immigrants to Remain in US" Let's not put a rosy spin on this politically motivated scheme, NYT.
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As a legal immigrant during the Vietnam War, wait your turn, if unwilling to wait, sign up for the US military.
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I am a first generation American as well but my parents had to go through many hoops to get here and they were sponsored financially. After having served three deployments to the mid east and several to South and Central America I can say that I have never met a single person who did not want to come to the US any way they could. So many of these comments decry the decision regarding the law here but those who complain need to determine if there are any limits to immigration to the US. If there are not so be it and let us move on. If we are confident that Hillary will open the borders or legalize all people in the US that are there illegally so be it. If we are to open the borders it is only fair, however, that we do not limit it to Hispanic people from south of the border. We need to look at the 65,000,000 worldwide refugees that this paper mentions over and over and we ought to let them in as well. Percentage wise allowing all of them to enter would not be difficult since the US has a lot of space...a lot more than England, Germany or Denmark. We do not have much of an indigenous culture that can be overwhelmed. European countries do. We don't visit Europe to get to know Eritreans, Somalis Nigerians or Afghans or Morrocans. We go because French are French and Germans are Germans and Austrians are Austrians and they speak their own language. So let us open the borders of the US and see what happens. 65,000,000 more or less out of 440 million is nothing.
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Reading these comments is extremely frustrating because most people inaccurately believe that this was amnesty, or a path to citizenship. Incorrect. It was simply an attempt to defer deportation for millions of people who are here illegally. It would allow people to work, obtain drivers licences, which in my mind is practical and humane. It would not have afforded permanent legal status to anyone. I respect the Supreme Court and now more than ever believe that we need the 9th justice. Vote!
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You mean we should turn our backs on those who break the law?
Same with guns. Let's not enforce the laws we have but pass some new laws that won't be enforced.
Same with guns. Let's not enforce the laws we have but pass some new laws that won't be enforced.
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if you deport all these people who will
clean th hotel rooms
work in restos
pick th fruits and vegetables
work in meat processing plants
tend your lawns and gardens
be your maids, cooks and nannies
do masonry work
th labor rate for these jobs will no doubt spike
but some of those jobs americans wont or cant do
clean th hotel rooms
work in restos
pick th fruits and vegetables
work in meat processing plants
tend your lawns and gardens
be your maids, cooks and nannies
do masonry work
th labor rate for these jobs will no doubt spike
but some of those jobs americans wont or cant do
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Well the the minimum wage will increase naturally won't it? Without the government forcing its hand.
Weird concept isn't it? Letting the free market work.
Weird concept isn't it? Letting the free market work.
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Won't or can't do? If you can't do the job, learn how. If you won't do it, you deserve to have your country given to those who are willing to work.
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In response to your questions and comments.
clean the hotel rooms - Legal citizens.
work in restos -HS, college kids and legal citizens.
pick the fruits and vegetables - Jail & prison labor and legal citizens.
work in meat processing plants - You mean the good paying union jobs that were decimated when Hormel and others went the illegal immigrant route? Again legal citizens.
tend your lawns and gardens - I did this kind of work in junior and senior HS. Again HS and college kids and legal citizens.
be your maids, cooks and nannies - Maybe if owned a corporation that uses illegal immigrant labor or shipped good paying jobs overseas, then maybe I could afford a maid, cook and nanny. Again legal citizens can do this work.
do masonry work - Yet another good paying union job market that was crushed when companies started using illegal immigrant labor. Again legal citizens can do this work. I did it in junior and senior HS.
the labor rate for these jobs will no doubt spike - Why because you will have to pay someone a fair days wage for a fair days work? What a novel concept!
but some of those jobs Americans wont or cant do
Again the repetitively tiring mantra of "jobs Americans won't or can't do" is a fallacy. Please enlighten us how and why Americans can't do these jobs you listed.
This is the mentality that keeps wages low for the labor/working class while those in boardrooms profit and those of us in the middle bear the greater burden. Enough is enough!
clean the hotel rooms - Legal citizens.
work in restos -HS, college kids and legal citizens.
pick the fruits and vegetables - Jail & prison labor and legal citizens.
work in meat processing plants - You mean the good paying union jobs that were decimated when Hormel and others went the illegal immigrant route? Again legal citizens.
tend your lawns and gardens - I did this kind of work in junior and senior HS. Again HS and college kids and legal citizens.
be your maids, cooks and nannies - Maybe if owned a corporation that uses illegal immigrant labor or shipped good paying jobs overseas, then maybe I could afford a maid, cook and nanny. Again legal citizens can do this work.
do masonry work - Yet another good paying union job market that was crushed when companies started using illegal immigrant labor. Again legal citizens can do this work. I did it in junior and senior HS.
the labor rate for these jobs will no doubt spike - Why because you will have to pay someone a fair days wage for a fair days work? What a novel concept!
but some of those jobs Americans wont or cant do
Again the repetitively tiring mantra of "jobs Americans won't or can't do" is a fallacy. Please enlighten us how and why Americans can't do these jobs you listed.
This is the mentality that keeps wages low for the labor/working class while those in boardrooms profit and those of us in the middle bear the greater burden. Enough is enough!
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Justice prevails. Law never favors the law breakers. If the program is approved, it will encourage more people to crawl under a fence or jump in a boat to reach US illegally. And, it will mock all the legal immigrants, who have entered this country. I break into a store, rob it, and then I go to the cops and ask for clean chit? If they cannot give it, I say that the system is broken and that I shouldnt be punished? Seriously?? The emotions of the protestors is shameful and ridiculous. We've already spent billions of taxpayers dollars on these illegal immigrants. Not any more. Being American is not just being here. Its following and respecting the law of the land at every step. Thank you Supreme Court! God bless America!
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After watching their violence at Trump rallies, and reading in NYT about the arrogance of 2 female students who came out as illegals, I am happy with the court decision, and would like to see something done about the millions of non-hispanic illegals who overstayed their tourist visas as well.
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We cannot afford the cost to our school system at a time when budgets are being drained...the cost of social programs are another factor...our veterans and seniors are being denied benefits at the same time do this makes no sense to take on illegals... I've never witnessed such disrespect seeing Mexican flags flying and foreigners protesting they have rights...
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That's why they need to be sent back where they came from. Then if they want to come back do it legal.
This country wouldn't be so broke if there was not illegals.
This country wouldn't be so broke if there was not illegals.
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How does this end? Nearly everyone south of our borders is poor and living in corrupt and dangerous environments. We cannot support them all. Our middle class is shrinking and stretched almost to the breaking point. The wealthy and politically powerful shake their fingers at us disapprovingly, but are not willing to pay for the support these immigrants need. To make matters more difficult, the immigrants develop an almost instant sense of entitlement and hostility to us. Again, How does this end?
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A nation of laws under the U.S. Constitution requires three functioning branches of government. We do not have three functioning branches of government. "Illegal is illegal" is a cynical distraction from political real life; scapegoating of the worst kind. Congress under the Republicans: dysfunctional. Judiciary: stymied due to congressional dysfunction. Executive: trying to do what it can in the face of treasonous obstinace.
The November elections are possibly the most important of my life, to the future of this country. The Republicans have got to go.
The November elections are possibly the most important of my life, to the future of this country. The Republicans have got to go.
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Problem: Health insurance costs and school budgets are going through the roof. The tax payer gets slaughtered so they can have free services.
Solution: Deport and make it mandatory for our lazy teenagers to go out and work!
Solution: Deport and make it mandatory for our lazy teenagers to go out and work!
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Actually DAPA would not grant any form of federal aid to these immigrants, in fact it will make them pay more than what they will receive (if anything) they all will need to pay taxes without any benefits. That is how you can solve your budget deficit issues, by actually making millions of people pay for what they get.
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Yes, the US is a nation of immigrants and laws but is also a source of succor and relief for millions feeding oppression, economic, political and social. These workers have ties to the country with many contributing to the economic and social fabric. Deferring deportation when done individually is the executive's prerogative. Why not for a group when arguably there is a net benefit to the US?
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There should be no misunderstanding how devastating a blow this is to Barack Obama. The Times correctly points out that immigration reform was a promise central to his election in 2008, and he broke it. He failed miserably, and he failed because his misguided actions caused his party to lose control of Congress. This caused him to take last-minute, unilateral, dictatorial executive action, which was blocked by the SCOTUS because of his additional failure to fill its vacancy. His legacy is permanently disgraced.
Moreover, although Mr. Obama moans and wails of late regarding gun violence, he was similarly impotent on this issue throughout his presidency. He failed to bring decisive legislative majorities to Congress and therefore failed to achieve any progress.
While some naive souls laugh and jeer at Republicans over Donald Trump, asserting his rise shows the weakness of the GOP, they totally ignore the decisive power of the GOP in Congress throughout Obama's presidency, thwarting him over and over and clearly showing that the GOP is far from being in the grave.
Moreover, although Mr. Obama moans and wails of late regarding gun violence, he was similarly impotent on this issue throughout his presidency. He failed to bring decisive legislative majorities to Congress and therefore failed to achieve any progress.
While some naive souls laugh and jeer at Republicans over Donald Trump, asserting his rise shows the weakness of the GOP, they totally ignore the decisive power of the GOP in Congress throughout Obama's presidency, thwarting him over and over and clearly showing that the GOP is far from being in the grave.
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Gee want immigration reform?
Then stop voting republican!!!
Then stop voting republican!!!
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Translation: Amnesty.
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With his executive amnesty, Obama was playing King, not President. Congress creates laws and it is up to the President to enforce them. For a supposed constitutional scholar, Obama sure seems to know nothing about the Constitution.
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I just don't understand why a 4-4 tie is taken as defeat for Obama. As far as I am concerned the case is still left undecided due to GOP's refusal to let the court operate at full staff.
Recognizing the tie as a GOP victory is literally rewarding their hideous, irresponsible intransigency.
Recognizing the tie as a GOP victory is literally rewarding their hideous, irresponsible intransigency.
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Because it didn't overturn the decisions up to this point that ruled against him. This was a last ditch attempt and failed.
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Immigration is the one issue I disagree with Democrats on. As a citizen, if I break the law, I have to suffer the consequences. I cannot go about my regular daily life working, cooking and cleaning, going to church and celebrating holidays with my family. I will be arrested and held in jail until bailed out. I have to appear in court and receive a sentence. I will pay fines and may serve time in jail. It doesn't matter why I broke the law or whether serving time in jail will separate me from my family or cause me financial hardship. Violation of immigration laws should be treated like violation of any other laws. Arrest, jail, court, sentencing and punishment. Why is this so hard for my fellow Democrats to understand?
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In reading through a lot of these comments, it appears a lot of Democrats break from their party line on this issue. I'm one of them. I'm tired of these arguments that illegal immigrants are doing all the jobs Americans won't do - that's simply not true, particularly in areas that used to provide solid middle-class wages for the minimally-educated American male, i.e. construction.
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“If you keep on blocking judges from getting on the bench, then courts can’t issue decisions,” Mr. Obama said. “And what that means is then you are going to have the status quo frozen"
I believe this is a status quo I can live with.
I believe this is a status quo I can live with.
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They are illegal immigrants, they broke the law and now they demand benefit !!
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Check out "America Alone" by Mark Steyn, it's thick with demographics that bode ill for the American way of life. Europe? It's over, in Judeo-Christian terms.
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The elites want open borders to enrich them while also entrenching their kids and grandkids at the top. Guarded gate neighborhoods, private schools, elite colleges, platinum health care, and high-status jobs for them and theirs. Hoi polloi get worthless public schools, children unprepared to get into half-decent colleges, cattle call health care, and competing with immigrants for slashed wages.
Time to put Americans first.
Time to put Americans first.
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It is always such a shock when ideologues of political correctness run head-on into the U.S. Constitution. Every century, we have as man who fancies himself a king with royal power greater than any nation or document and court after court have to spank his arrogant rear.
Had a true supporter of the Constitution actually been sitting in the wonderful Scalia's empty seat, this would have been a resounding decision against the current Tyrant-Wanna-be stewing in Valerie Jarrett's West Wing.
Had a true supporter of the Constitution actually been sitting in the wonderful Scalia's empty seat, this would have been a resounding decision against the current Tyrant-Wanna-be stewing in Valerie Jarrett's West Wing.
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Sorry, folks, illegal is illegal, plain and simple. What don't you understand about illegal? Illegals did not stand in line like the Legal immigrants have done. They chose to jump the line. They should be rounded up and sent back to stand in line. We admit over one million people every year. The system needs work, no doubt, but it does work for those people.
The EU will not survive its uncontrolled immigration of over one million in one year who have a fundamentally antithetical world view to that of the liberal West. Australia has it right. No illegals, period. We have the right to control our borders but too many administrations have been unwilling to do so.
And employers who hire illegals should be severely punished by big fines and long jail terms. That would help stop the rush of illegals AND would cause the employers to hire legal citizens and pay them a living wage or go out of business. A business that rests on the backs of illegals being paid poorly is not one we want here. And, we might pay a few cents more for our vegetables and salads and etc., but I'm more than willing to do so to keep the jobs for US citizens. Yes, some don't want to work no matter what the pay but the vast majority want to work for good wages and dignity. The problem is, it isn't being tried because of the illegal alternative.
The EU will not survive its uncontrolled immigration of over one million in one year who have a fundamentally antithetical world view to that of the liberal West. Australia has it right. No illegals, period. We have the right to control our borders but too many administrations have been unwilling to do so.
And employers who hire illegals should be severely punished by big fines and long jail terms. That would help stop the rush of illegals AND would cause the employers to hire legal citizens and pay them a living wage or go out of business. A business that rests on the backs of illegals being paid poorly is not one we want here. And, we might pay a few cents more for our vegetables and salads and etc., but I'm more than willing to do so to keep the jobs for US citizens. Yes, some don't want to work no matter what the pay but the vast majority want to work for good wages and dignity. The problem is, it isn't being tried because of the illegal alternative.
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This is a clear example of the consequences of the seditious refusal of the Senate Republcans to hold hearings and vote on the nomination of Judge Garland. Republican intransigence has provoked the the incident in the first place, as their inability to govern and legislate a comprehensive immigration reform, and their obstructing even small incremental actions to clear some of the issues around immigration caused the president to take executive actions. While legislation could negate the need for these executive actions, Republicans refuse to legislate, then refuse to allow any administrative action. Meanwhile the problem festers and grows, providing nothing good but fuel for demagogue's blowhard fool's pronouncements. It is time for Congress to act - first to hold hearings and vote on the nomination of Judge Garland, and then on moving a comprehensive immigration reform plan of some sort. Just as with gun control, inaction is not wise policy, inaction is not statesmanship, inaction is not 'governing' - inaction is criminal negligence of Constitutional duty and should be recognized as such by We the People, if only we will. The "do-nothing Congress" should not be allowed to get away with their inaction - shame on us all if they continue to do so.
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There is no end in sight. I would trade any time some sort of amnesty for existing immigrats with a change in the ability of becoming american by just being born in the USA, no matter what their parent status was. We are no longer living at a time where you had to cross the ocean by boat or ride your donkey across the desert for days. Getting in the USA is at the reach of hundreads of millions of people. Immigration should be something done in the interest of the receiving country not just to the benefit of risk takers and people looking for a better life.
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US it is becoming a radical country driving away from all the reasons and principles that eventually led to its Independece from England. A country in which democracy should be growing , it is going backwards. Respect for the free expression and the land of opportunity for the immigrants, as well as for those with different views such as religion and sexual orientation are becoming the reasoning of conservatives. They claim Islamic radicals , terrorists etc. But why they do not take as minute and introspect themselves. They are worst. Their obsession with weapons and fear of anything different it is going to take them to a very deep whole. Sad to see the future of US going down, and this will be worst for all those that are radical neo-conservatives. With a big majority in the GOP which encourages bigotry against anything that it does not look white (supremacist). Encourages ignorance and literacy. Sad very sad
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It shows great disrespect to our nation when people smuggle themselves into this country and then essentially demand the right to stay. With my family and many others who have written here today, in times past our ancestors followed the rule of law and applied for legal immigration through the system that was in place.
Of what use is legal immigration if huge numbers of people simply find a way to come in illegally. What of those who have waited patiently, some for many years through an extensive process, to gain the right to stay in the United States?
If I were currently in that position of patiently waiting legally to enter the U.S. and potentially become a citizen, it would be a slap in the face from others who have surreptitiously entered, as truly those who do so know exactly what they are doing, and have no regard for the law of the land.
Of what use is legal immigration if huge numbers of people simply find a way to come in illegally. What of those who have waited patiently, some for many years through an extensive process, to gain the right to stay in the United States?
If I were currently in that position of patiently waiting legally to enter the U.S. and potentially become a citizen, it would be a slap in the face from others who have surreptitiously entered, as truly those who do so know exactly what they are doing, and have no regard for the law of the land.
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Nothing too supreme about this court.
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After listening to President Obama's response to the Supreme Court's decision, I am struck by his failure to identify the illegal aliens as "illegal aliens." He continues to label them as "immigrants" and to then blame Republicans for his egregious failures. And so, once again, this president has failed to do anything to help bring our country together again as he continues to push opposing sides further and further apart. The day the President properly identifies groups of people as illegal aliens will probably be the same day he identifies our enemies as jihadists.... He just doesn't get it.
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more republican nonsensical semantics.
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Now if only sanctuary cities would follow the law and deport illegals, especially those arrested for crimes.
Sanctuary cities routinely get away with not enforcing the law and are widely applauded for it. Illegals know this.
And the same people think that making more gun laws will really deter thugs from getting a gun. What a joke. When thugs are arrested for gun offenses, they're back on the street in no time. Criminals know this.
Any law is totally useless unless it is enforced. Laws are laws, not a la carte offerings for Obama's politically correct cherry picking.
Sanctuary cities routinely get away with not enforcing the law and are widely applauded for it. Illegals know this.
And the same people think that making more gun laws will really deter thugs from getting a gun. What a joke. When thugs are arrested for gun offenses, they're back on the street in no time. Criminals know this.
Any law is totally useless unless it is enforced. Laws are laws, not a la carte offerings for Obama's politically correct cherry picking.
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And the NYC would pretty much shut down. Is that what you want?
My grandfather came here with $7, if that. Not a word of English spoken. 14 years old. Today all his grandchildren have grad degrees. Teachers and Scientists in the mix. Based on your rational, there would be few less teachers (and scientist) in America today.
I'm confused how that would be a "good thing?"
My grandfather came here with $7, if that. Not a word of English spoken. 14 years old. Today all his grandchildren have grad degrees. Teachers and Scientists in the mix. Based on your rational, there would be few less teachers (and scientist) in America today.
I'm confused how that would be a "good thing?"
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You tellingly forgot to mention if grandpa came here illegally, or legally, NYC... intimating that it was not legal.
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ejpusa,
You neglected to mention whether your grandfather came here legally or illegally. That makes a difference to most Americans.
You neglected to mention whether your grandfather came here legally or illegally. That makes a difference to most Americans.
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I hate Trump. I'm a liberal Dem but I think Obama is utterly wrong on this one. He's pandering to a single ethnic group that expects special, racial rights to immigrate here even if doing so means placing burdens on people like me. Someone from El Salvador does not have the right to sneak into my country and tell me that her vote counts here and mine does not.
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Uhh, US v Texas does not let illegal immigrants vote, it allows 5 million people to apply for work permits and protect them from deportation.
You can argue then that they'd be stealing American jobs, but from the studies I've seen cheap labor is generally good for the economy.
You can argue then that they'd be stealing American jobs, but from the studies I've seen cheap labor is generally good for the economy.
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And you are utterly wrong to imply that illegal immigrants can vote in US elections. They can't, and nothing in the president's deferred deportation program would have granted voting rights to this group of people.
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Many of these comments are disheartening.
President Obama is not the cause of people who overstay their visas or cross our borders without documents. In fact, I believe net migration is less during the last seven years than it was under G. W. Bush, and the number of deportations is up. The laws against illegal immigration are being enforced just as effectively as before President Obama.
Further, Congress has not given INS and FBI and DHS enough money and manpower to round up 11 million people, even if that were possible and their Republican employers would stand for it. So the federal government has prioritized: deport anyone you can find with a criminal record and those who have arrived most recently. Don't spend limited resources taking to court parents whose children are American citizens and who are employed and law-abiding. It's common sense. Deport the less desirable, the least connected, and don't break up families. If school-age American citizens remain here while their parents are deported, that just increases the chance that the children will accomplish less than they might otherwise.
President Obama is not the cause of people who overstay their visas or cross our borders without documents. In fact, I believe net migration is less during the last seven years than it was under G. W. Bush, and the number of deportations is up. The laws against illegal immigration are being enforced just as effectively as before President Obama.
Further, Congress has not given INS and FBI and DHS enough money and manpower to round up 11 million people, even if that were possible and their Republican employers would stand for it. So the federal government has prioritized: deport anyone you can find with a criminal record and those who have arrived most recently. Don't spend limited resources taking to court parents whose children are American citizens and who are employed and law-abiding. It's common sense. Deport the less desirable, the least connected, and don't break up families. If school-age American citizens remain here while their parents are deported, that just increases the chance that the children will accomplish less than they might otherwise.
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Illigal immigration into the U.S. is presently at a forty year low.
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The Wall will make that 40-year low permanent, a patriot hopes.
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So is new job creation, not coincidentally. faywood. In May: 37,000 new jobs. Paltry, at best.
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So what happens to all those immigrants who were brought here by their parents as children--especially as small children--and were raised and educated here? Some of these kids--now adults--know no other home besides the U.S., and some probably don't even speak their parents' language all that well. Are we just going to ship these people back to the land of their parents? So the sins of the fathers/mothers are visited upon the children, is that it?
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Maybe they should have thought of that when they came here...
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And by letting them stay you are encouraging millions more to sneak into the US and have children here.
Enough already, its time to take control of the borders, and for citizenship to mean something.
Enough already, its time to take control of the borders, and for citizenship to mean something.
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However you feel about illegal immigrants, the fact is the 11 million or so is the entire population of Washington, Oregon and Idaho states. Is anyone really serious about deporting this many people? Sure, they are here illegally but we need to show compassion in finding a solution and Obama tried to do this.
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Henny Penny.
How many people get deported every year?
they're not going anywhere. The decision makers in this country are afraid of their own shadows. Afraid of being labeled a racist for doing their job.
How many people get deported every year?
they're not going anywhere. The decision makers in this country are afraid of their own shadows. Afraid of being labeled a racist for doing their job.
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The GDP growth under Obama's watch simply cannot support that number suddenly getting benefits. They are already straining infrastructure like our schools and such. The only bright light in the economy during Obama's watch was the oil and gas boom that he tried to discourage, without that we would have had NO recovery.
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Obama did not do rightly. We have laws. These people have disobeyed those laws and shouldn't be rewarded for it.
An orderly society is only possible only the rule of law. What if people could argue with a judge because he showed favor to one party and now isn't toward you? Wold you demand special treatment because another got it? And what about the one that follows you? Or the person steps up the crime and demands preferential treatment because it was only just a little worse?
There is no compassion in what this president has done. It's all about creating additional Democrat voters and disenfranchising the rest.
An orderly society is only possible only the rule of law. What if people could argue with a judge because he showed favor to one party and now isn't toward you? Wold you demand special treatment because another got it? And what about the one that follows you? Or the person steps up the crime and demands preferential treatment because it was only just a little worse?
There is no compassion in what this president has done. It's all about creating additional Democrat voters and disenfranchising the rest.
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Another immigration mess (in my opinion) less known to Americans is the Diversity Visa Program, a lottery (yep you read right, just look it up) that the department of state holds each year to give away 50K free green cards more or less no questions asked....(I know because after seven years in the US as a legal immigrant on an H1B visa I left for Canada and two years after moving i received notice I won a green card.....), you can apply in 4 years batches, that's why I got mine (that i refused given I'm not living there anymore) even after I had long left.....the immigration system is totally broken....you give away green cards to people that don't want them and vice versa...
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Hillary should not be so fast to jump on Obama's bandwagon on illegal immigration. Many people do not agree with him. Illegal immigration has the potential to become a litmus test for the elections and could cause a Trump victory. We need to avoid that at all costs for many reasons.
If we had unlimited resources and jobs, and people legally in the country living in the inner city were doing well and their children were getting an excellent education then we could be generous and help the illegal immigrants. However it's pretty clear we are not taking care of our own. The less well off legal residents need to be taken care of before we start taking care of people who legally should not be here. Resources being used to educate , provide healthcare etc to people here illegally need to be redirected to people here legally to give them a chance to succeed.
The needs of people here legally are great and there likely will not be resources left over for illegal immigrants.
If we had unlimited resources and jobs, and people legally in the country living in the inner city were doing well and their children were getting an excellent education then we could be generous and help the illegal immigrants. However it's pretty clear we are not taking care of our own. The less well off legal residents need to be taken care of before we start taking care of people who legally should not be here. Resources being used to educate , provide healthcare etc to people here illegally need to be redirected to people here legally to give them a chance to succeed.
The needs of people here legally are great and there likely will not be resources left over for illegal immigrants.
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You are right. I'm an independent who has voted Democrat in every Presidential election since Bill Clinton in 1992 right through to Obama in 2012. My votes for Al Gore and for John Kerry unfortunately did not carry the day. However, I will not vote Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. It is not just her embrace of amnesty and her coded calls for unlimited open borders. It is also her embrace of the neo-cons and her chicken-hawk tendencies to pull the trigger on any foreign intervention and regime change, regardless of thinking through the consequences. The bigger question is whether I vote Trump or do a write-in given my vote won't matter much anyway, not being in a swing state.
If you want to make the argument that most Americans come from immigrant ancestors so we are xenophobic and hateful for being opposed to illegal immigration, let's put the new immigrants on the same footing - little to no safety net, no more ESL classes - learn English or flunk out. There would probably be less opposition - and less of this immigration. And for those constantly talking about how superior Canada is, ask yourself how they handle illegal immigration. You all want us to be more like them, right?
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Citizenship must have value. If not, the country has no value.
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Of course, The President is free to ignore the Supreme Court (as they are him).
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What if Obama simply declines to enforce the law? Who can make him? And shouldn't the decision be applicable tonly o the Fifth Circuit?
What about the oath he took at his inauguration? To uphold the laws etc.. A president who doesn't can be impeached, and should be.
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"What if Obama simply declines to enforce the law?".....You don't get it. First, Obama has already deported more illegals than any other President. Second, the executive branch only has resources to deport about 400,000 illegals a year and there are 11 million illegals. It is not that he hasn't followed the law, but rather that it is impossible to round up and deport 11 million illegals. Impossible like in there is no way it can be done. Once you accept the facts as they exist you begin to understand the essence of the problem.
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Just for people defending our immigration system..
I got my green card through a lottery that the dept of state has every year for 50K people, then i was able to get my wife and kids here as well (5 people, it's called compassionate reunion), it's called the diversity visa program, look it up. Yes, you can win coming in through a lottery, no real requirements......and then we want to be all sanctimonious? Let's fix the system, like Obama is trying to do, before talking about things that most people don't know anything about, like immigration, which intricacies and dysfunctions are nothing that really concerns citizens since they don't need to go through it...
I got my green card through a lottery that the dept of state has every year for 50K people, then i was able to get my wife and kids here as well (5 people, it's called compassionate reunion), it's called the diversity visa program, look it up. Yes, you can win coming in through a lottery, no real requirements......and then we want to be all sanctimonious? Let's fix the system, like Obama is trying to do, before talking about things that most people don't know anything about, like immigration, which intricacies and dysfunctions are nothing that really concerns citizens since they don't need to go through it...
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The earliest White settlers came into the country and settled here. I don't believe the Native Americans granted them citizenship. These people then had anchor babies, and generations later, their descendants talk about laws and fairness to keep others out.
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I look at the other side of that coin. Europeans invaded 'the Americas' and took over. Where we are, North America, the natives were slaughtered and/or forced into internal colonies where they still languish. Yet many of those of us of European ancestry still think the door that was opened by that conquest should still be wide open to all comers; especially those from the now less successful former Spanish colonies. The fact that Europeans broke down the door and took over the house is NOT an argument for letting still more people in. The only 'huddled masses yearning to breathe free' the USA should be helping are the ones whose ancestors lived here 20 generations ago.
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Wow - that was very funny. Good joke.
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I don't believe those earliest White settlers expected the Native Americans to pay for their education, their health care, assist them in finding and paying for lodging and food.
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I am a rare liberal WASP Southerner who supports this President mightily. But on this issue, we have immigration laws for a reason. No nation can sustain its overarching purpose with a border that is completely out of control. Schools can't even teach classes without translators. This isn't racial at all and admire all who come here for a better life. But do we have 1 billion people in 40 years? We can't take care of our citizens already here.
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"No nation can sustain its overarching purpose with a border that is completely out of control.".....Do facts matter? There are presently about 11 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S., about 40% have over stayed their legal visas. With the present resources it is only possible to deport about 400,000 illegal immigrants a year. Illegal immigration into the U.S. is presently at a forty year low. The Senate passed a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bill in 2012, but the House refused to bring it to a vote even though there were enough votes in the House to pass the legislation. Those are the facts. Now you figure out what should be done.
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Only 400,000 a year? Then we'd better get cracking. If we keep out new ones and the ones here repatriate or get deported (or die) we'll eventually be able to have an immigration system that works.
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Today two high profile cases were decided addressing the rights of racial minorities. In one the central issue was whether the government could formally refrain from deporting undocumented Hispanics who will likely be subject to all new rules in 6 months. In the other case, it was determined that race can be used as a college admission factor which doesn't much change the racial make-up of the U Texas student body. There are indeed important principles in these cases. But, factually, they are relatively trivial matters that don't come close to addressing the big questions for blacks and Hispanics. White people can debate their significance until the sun goes down. For blacks and Hispanics these cases fail to address the fundamental discrimination issues that affect their lives.
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So we shouldn't enforce our laws?
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Not just discrimination, but resources to rise up and actually become successful. What happens when demographics overtake whites but they're still poor, under educated, and have very low voting rates?
The Republicans got their way by not honoring the peoples wishes. We voted Obama into office and we expect his nominations to be voted on. Old white men blocking the will of the people. It's despicable. They are spoiled brats who have not done their jobs. We need to vote them out of control in November.
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So every SC nominee in the history of the US has been voted on immediately?
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Who is this "we" to which you refer? If a majority of people were to want gender-divided restrooms, should our laws reflect the will of that majority or act as protectorate for those ever-bleating liberal sheep (i.e. a minority which may otherwise be powerless)? In other words, the needs of old, white men are still of concern for this nation in addition to other communities within the U.S.; instead of generating yet another derisive dialogue, why not suggest something helpful, balanced, and politically moderate?
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Even really sympathetic people like me are aghast to see Mexican flags and "Si se puede" signs. Why can't the leaders of immigrant support groups not see that you are pushing people off the fence for Trump? How hard is this to understand? Please, please just address this!
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We elected our representatives and senators to Congress to do the people's business. They have failed to do that over and over. For the last 6 years at least, the Congress has refused to deliver to the citizens of this country their due. Time and time again, we have heard either "No" from them or "We refuse to vote" on matters that are of the utmost importance to the people. Real and effective immigration reform MUST be written and passed. We have millions of people in this country, many of whom work for the corporations that time and time again are breaking our laws and avoiding taxes illegally. Whose actions are more egregious?--the corporations' or illegal immigrants'? Get to work, Congress! Do the people's business, and cease trying to distract us with all your shenanigans!
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You can't be serious; Congress is only aware of the existence of the American people, for a few short months prior to election/ reelection, when they lie like rugs to you and everyone else, to blind us to their raison d'etre, which of course is counting and storing the nation's wealth, for their own account, the wealth you and I have been willingly giving them for decades
We the people, the incredibly stupid evergreen source of wealth for them, have become their top rated reality show, reinforcing their belief in our eternal stupidity, every local, state, and national election.
They epitomize evil.
We the people, the incredibly stupid evergreen source of wealth for them, have become their top rated reality show, reinforcing their belief in our eternal stupidity, every local, state, and national election.
They epitomize evil.
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On Booknotes in 2014, Mexican author Carlos Fuentes conceded that the influx of illegal Hispanic immigrants into America since 1945 was "the largest mass migration in human history." To no one's surprise.
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I would hate for this to shape up as being the great divide between democrats and republicans; because just when I thought there is no way I would vote for Trump this single issue could get me to … and I’m a Democrat.
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It really boils down to whether the United States deserves to continue to exist as a country. The word from the White House the past 7 years has been a loud ''NO!''
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ben,
Donald Trump's immigration "solution" is to build a wall.
If you agree, then I doubt you were ever really a true Democrat.
Donald Trump's immigration "solution" is to build a wall.
If you agree, then I doubt you were ever really a true Democrat.
If you even consider voting for Trump then you obviously are not a Democrat.
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So the illegal immigrants place themselves above the law, in the first place. The executive branch decides to abet that initial illegal action. With this Supreme Court ruling we see how an empty chair on the court is a blessing, over and above, a ninth justice who may have very well pushed forward an legal agenda decided by criminals and otherwise wholly outside the legislative branch of government.
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Well educated Mexicans stay where they are and prosper in a country that is gradually adopting Western norms for political and economic behavior. That millions of Mexicans whose families were doomed to quiet desperation by a century of the empty Marxist rhetoric and rampant political corruption is tragic. But it is a Mexican tragedy, not an American one.
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I wouldn't call the recent murder of the eight teachers in Oaxaca "prosperity."
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Leslie, what would you call the recent murder of 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando?
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In the end people are people. We live in a world where there is war, poverty, drought, hatred, and people need to find a life somewhere. I get the deport illegals argument - of course everyone should go the legal route - but if they are in the country, surviving, making a living, rearing their kids, is it really such a problem to grant amnesty? Wasn't "to find a better life" the cause of countless human migrations throughout history?
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It was. And those people were legal immigrants.
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Maybe you should petition the Canadian government to grant amnesty to all poor populations in Mexico and Central America?
Would it be reasonable to conclude, based on this Supreme Court decision, that if Trump were to take office he would not have the authority to take any executive action on immigration? If so, maybe there is a silver lining to be found in this ruling.
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If elected, Donald Trump would not need to issue executive orders regarding illegal immigration. He would merely instruct the Homeland Security Department to enforce the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1996. This act calls for the deportation of unauthorized immigrants and a crackdown on employers who hire them.
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No. It all depends on what the executive order might be.
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The lack of sympathy expressed here for the millions of farmers in Mexico and their families who were forced off their land by cheap US tax payer subsidized corn being dumped in Mexico is appalling. People will do whatever is necessary to feed their children. What do you expect?.
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I for one expect someone to have respect for our laws and not sneak across the border illegally. Do you expect anything less?
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Obama should take a leaf out of Jackson's book, who, when faced with a court decision he didn't like, famously said "Justice Marshall has made his decision, let him enforce it", and did exactly what he wanted to.
Obama should instruct relevant Federal agencies to put apprehending undocumented illegals at the bottom of the bottom drawer. It's called executive prioritization.
Obama should instruct relevant Federal agencies to put apprehending undocumented illegals at the bottom of the bottom drawer. It's called executive prioritization.
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So you look back at a statement regarding the forced resettlement of native Americans with the death of many as a great moment in American history?
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It was a perfect decision. We have borders for a reason dude. You can't break the law and expect to be rewarded.
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Seems to me businesses, politicians, etc. do it all the time! Then again they are not poor people of colour.
While this is important it's not as important as the developing Brexit story, from an international perspective. And I subscribed to the International New York Times, in better days called the International Herald Tribune.
A few days ago I was greeted as: What you and other Americans... and then something I cannot remember.
I'm not American and I'm looking for international news from a global, non-nationalistic perspective. Can the INYT offer it?
A few days ago I was greeted as: What you and other Americans... and then something I cannot remember.
I'm not American and I'm looking for international news from a global, non-nationalistic perspective. Can the INYT offer it?
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What about the other can of worms that goes along with this, ie., birthright citizenship? Apparently, the US and Canada are the only "developed" countries still allowing this.
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There are some who argue that entering into the USA illegally should ban an individual from having the protections that Obama proposes:
Yes, logically speaking, perhaps that argument is valid -- if you enter illegally, you should not be rewarded -- but it is also horribly out of context. There are thousands of human stories that are neglected by that argument. What happens to the lives of illegal aliens who were brought to the United States by their parents at an early age? What happens to those who came here out of extreme desperation from countries rid with poverty and disease? Coming into this country without papers may be illegal, but it is far from immoral in many, many cases. Perhaps the President's measures were too extreme, but there must be some kind of compromise from both sides to prevent a wrong, radical, and perhaps irreversible solution.
Yes, logically speaking, perhaps that argument is valid -- if you enter illegally, you should not be rewarded -- but it is also horribly out of context. There are thousands of human stories that are neglected by that argument. What happens to the lives of illegal aliens who were brought to the United States by their parents at an early age? What happens to those who came here out of extreme desperation from countries rid with poverty and disease? Coming into this country without papers may be illegal, but it is far from immoral in many, many cases. Perhaps the President's measures were too extreme, but there must be some kind of compromise from both sides to prevent a wrong, radical, and perhaps irreversible solution.
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So Obama does not have the power to legalize the numeric equivalent of a medium sized European nation? Probably a good thing as the GDP growth under his watch can't support the legal Americans now.
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You must be think of GWB. It was Obama that rescued us. He accomplished a lot given the obstructive Congress, but his failure to change his skin color will be s part of his legacy.
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Obama rescued nobody, and his skin color is irrelevant. We had a partial recovery despite Obama's policies not because of them.
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How did he "rescue us"? Are there fewer people on food stamps than when he took office? Are there more people in the work force? Do we have less debt?
What about the stimulus package? Did it produce any "shovel ready jobs"? Did it do anything to improve our infrastructure?
Please explain how he rescued us. Because it seems to me like he did a really good job of kicking the can down the road.
What about the stimulus package? Did it produce any "shovel ready jobs"? Did it do anything to improve our infrastructure?
Please explain how he rescued us. Because it seems to me like he did a really good job of kicking the can down the road.
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“Deferred action does not provide these individuals with any lawful status under the immigration laws,” he said. “But it provides some measure of dignity and decent treatment.”
Actually, it is quite possible to imprison and/or deport someone with dignity and decent treatment.
Personally, I favor more open immigration (although more like Australia and Canada, which won't help most of the illegal immigrants here now). But if it happens, it should be through legislation, not executive orders and court decisions.
Actually, it is quite possible to imprison and/or deport someone with dignity and decent treatment.
Personally, I favor more open immigration (although more like Australia and Canada, which won't help most of the illegal immigrants here now). But if it happens, it should be through legislation, not executive orders and court decisions.
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Seems many people did not want Obama's action to prevail, citing constitutional opinions and objection to illegal immigrants breaking the law. That is there opinion and one rather devoid of compassion and understanding for the context of the reasons why they chose to take that arduous road here.
I blame the US Congress, and the Republicans therein for not doing their job on immigration reform. One more reason to get out and vote on Nov 8th, to kick out a bunch of Republican Senators (no hearing for Garland mania) and Representatives (mean spirited like Ryan and the guy who from the rostrum told C-Span to shut off coverage of the sit down of John Lewis and others).
I blame the US Congress, and the Republicans therein for not doing their job on immigration reform. One more reason to get out and vote on Nov 8th, to kick out a bunch of Republican Senators (no hearing for Garland mania) and Representatives (mean spirited like Ryan and the guy who from the rostrum told C-Span to shut off coverage of the sit down of John Lewis and others).
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Here is where you are completely divorced from reality. "objection to illegal immigrants breaking the law"?
Are you kidding me? What part if illegal don't you understand? Most people who object to "illegal immigrants breaking the law" also have problems with citizens breaking the law. Explain to us the difference. Don't so the crime if you can't do the time.
Are you kidding me? What part if illegal don't you understand? Most people who object to "illegal immigrants breaking the law" also have problems with citizens breaking the law. Explain to us the difference. Don't so the crime if you can't do the time.
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Even if the Court had decided in Obama's favor, the next President could either go further or undo Obama's action. So this ruling is good for 6 months. In January the next president and the ninth Supreme Court Justice will be the decision makers. For the most part, this decision is a big to-do about not much.
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How many of the people dumping on illegal immigrants would be willing to institute draconian penalties on the *employers*?
How about this?
Any business of any size or description that hires illegal immigrants will have its assets seized (all its assets) and will be auctioned off to business people who know how to run a business while paying legal wages.
Too harsh?
But rounding people up, imprisoning them, and summarily deporting them out of long-established lives is not too harsh?
Then take a look at yourself. Did you get all riled up about the presence of Irish illegal immigrants in New York in the 1970s? Does it bother you that there are criminals who smuggle Chinese into the U.S.? Are you truly against illegal immigration, or are you against the presence of large numbers of Latinos?
If your problem is with illegal immigration and not with Latinos, then you should support tougher sanctions on employers.
How about this?
Any business of any size or description that hires illegal immigrants will have its assets seized (all its assets) and will be auctioned off to business people who know how to run a business while paying legal wages.
Too harsh?
But rounding people up, imprisoning them, and summarily deporting them out of long-established lives is not too harsh?
Then take a look at yourself. Did you get all riled up about the presence of Irish illegal immigrants in New York in the 1970s? Does it bother you that there are criminals who smuggle Chinese into the U.S.? Are you truly against illegal immigration, or are you against the presence of large numbers of Latinos?
If your problem is with illegal immigration and not with Latinos, then you should support tougher sanctions on employers.
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(Not Mark) Yes! E-verify now!
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You are clearly not an employer. Employing illegals is nowhere near as easy as you might think.
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I totally support tougher sanctions on employers. Sounds like a great idea. Let's do that in conjunction with a fully functioning, accurate, nationwide e-verify program to get this plan rolling!
What on earth made you think that people who oppose illegal immigration would oppose such a plan? It sounds fantastic. I hope it commences next week. And I'm a lifelong Democratic voter.
What on earth made you think that people who oppose illegal immigration would oppose such a plan? It sounds fantastic. I hope it commences next week. And I'm a lifelong Democratic voter.
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“It recognizes the damage that would be wreaked by tearing apart families,”
So let the kids leave with the parents.
Illegals gone, families intact, America better off. Win... win... win.
So let the kids leave with the parents.
Illegals gone, families intact, America better off. Win... win... win.
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Thanks Supreme Court! This was an obvious pro-business executive over-reach. We need to have a thorough discussion about the economic conditions we want for workers in this country and set immigration policy to meet these goals not allow excessive legal and illegal immigration and then wonder why there aren't any jobs/wages never go up.
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If you think that Hillary is going to save these people you are mistaken. Hillary will have no more power than Obama did. Can we learn from this SCOTUS decision people? Obviously the president cannot use an executive order to keep these people here. But some of you post that they will be able to when Hillary is president. Are we hypnotized or brainwashed in this country or what?
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She will have the power to fill Supreme Court vacancies. I hear Clarence Thomas will be retiring. Hard to believe you don't know that.
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She won't have any power at all because she will not be president...
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Obama's immigration legacy is that he has deported more persons than any other American president in history. His executive order over-reach was a last ditch attempt to save face, and not much different than Eric Holder's last second about-face on mass incarceration after 6 years of presiding over a Justice Department that routinely used mandatory minimum sentencing in support of the drug war.
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He counts those that are not allowed to enter at the BORDER as deportations, to make that number. The real truth is that he has done MUCH less deportations than any other President.
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Give us a cite on that please. Where did you get your information?
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We're said to be a Christian country, but the vindictive case ruled on today contradicts that notion, especially for those brought here as children and who have known no other home.
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But this demonstrates we are not acting in a Christisn manner.
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(Not Mark) I am not a Christian and do not want to live in a 'Christian nation'. I want to live in a nation of laws. The only people to blame are the parents that brought their children here illegally. They knowingly broke the law and now want to be given special treatment.
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We are not a Christian country. We are a country of separation of church and state. I am an atheist, and I'm far from the only one. Your religion is your business. Don't impose your religion, or your religious views, on me or my country. That's the kind of thinking that has turned much of the Middle East into a war-ridden hellhole rife with religious sectarian violence, homophobia, and misogyny.
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We have laws for a purpose and one should not be able to prosper from an illegal act despite how difficult their life is. We must consider those who follow the legal path to citizenship. Also, my suspicion is that the person in the picture who is protesting probably thinks she "deserves" a spot in America even if she has to break the law to get one. She needs to get in line behind all the legal applicants.
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"We have laws for a purpose and one should not be able to prosper from an illegal act despite how difficult their life is" - Inspector Javert on pursuing Jean Valjean?
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A country made of immigrants, where compassion is being replaced by petty anger, small minds unable to value the innumerable contributions by folks sacrificing their own country's language and culture to create a new environment to advance family and life values, and to benefit the 'locals' usually confined to growing old in a deadly routine. The new immigrants, able and willing to try new things, are the one's injecting imagination, courage and hard work, so the U.S. may stay abreast and prevent an aging population requiring 'new blood' to keep'em going. Let' stop being hypocrites, and recognize what's at stake, the promise of a bright future for all of us...because of these young folks risking life and fortune to belong. And dividing families is as nasty a measure as one can imagine. We are dealing with human beings, not cattle (the latter with more rights, at least while en route to the slaughterhouse). The members of the Supreme Court, aside from being partial to a given party, with rigid ideas incompatible with empathy, do reveal a huge social distance, blinding them to what's going on; or perhaps they could care less what happens to those unable to defend themselves, hard to tell. As to why people keep coming, in spite of glacial greetings, and with almost no chance to live the american dream, remains a mystery.
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If people want to come here to attain the "American Dream," then they should come here legally. How is it you can't/won't understand we are a nation of laws, not a nation of compassion. The law should always be free of compassion, empathy, or any other feelings. Four justices and the president failed to understand the law, as do you and millions of others who decry this correct decision. Change the law if you want a different outcome. Additionally, educate yourself about this constitutional republic based on the law, not compassion, not empathy. People who are in this country illegally have no right whatsoever to the "Amercian Dream."
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The United States accepts about one million legal immigrants every year, more than the other developed nations of the world combined.
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Again, this is a country of immigrants, highly diverse, contributing to its richness. The reason people from other countries come here illegally has to do with a broken immigration system, meager in accepting newcomers in spite of U.S.'s needs, that go unfulfilled for lack of 'natives' (hope the real natives, confined to reservations, will excuse me) willing to do so many menial jobs we take for granted (anybody able, and willing, to pick fruits and vegetables, no matter how hot or cold the weather; demeaning work in slaughterhouses; working to serve you in hotels, restaurants; construction; caring for the elderly, many times abandoned by too-busy-to bother relatives; babysitters for your children, so you can be free to fulfill your dreams and make a decent living; etc) and making your life and the time it requires much easier? And all this for a pittance, with no chance to advance in life, with no health insurance nor education, and no insurance for sick days, no retirement? I know the law is the law, cold and severe; but if laws become inhuman, and antithetical to our common purpose in life, brief periods of joy, those laws may not be compatible with justice, hence, requiring positive change so we can include all in our brief stay on Earth, whatever purpose we choose. Laws must be humane, and bend towards justice. Who are we to judge others, having been borne in a given country by accident or serendipity, and unable to pay back what others did for us. Humility, anyone?
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I wonder how many of those that are so passionate that we should respect the law have boycotted restaurants that use undocumented aliens? How many refuse to use undocumented aliens but if they do, pay taxes and contribute to the social security contributions of the undocumented alien that cleans their home and takes care of their children? We want their labor but deny their humanity. We can't have it both ways.
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What's this "we" stuff? I don't eat at restaurants that employ illegals. I clean my own house and take care of kids without anybody's assistance. I don't want their labor one iota. Speak for yourself.
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Donnie doesn't have to build the wall. The SCOTUS built one against people from all over the country. The wall is very ugly and we will all pay for it.
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Many Americans have been seriously injured, and several killed, by illegal immigrants in "sanctuary city," San Francisco. Stay alert.
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I am a reliable Democrat voter but I am 100% opposed to Obama on this issue.
I am a social liberal on many respects but I firmly believe we need to adopt smart America-first policies. I am strongly against illegal immigration; strongly in favor of *legal* immigration. The last thing we need is a strong incentive to encourage more illegal immigration.
I am a social liberal on many respects but I firmly believe we need to adopt smart America-first policies. I am strongly against illegal immigration; strongly in favor of *legal* immigration. The last thing we need is a strong incentive to encourage more illegal immigration.
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President Obama told us for 6 years he did not have the power to authorize via Executive Action. After not having to stand for election again he issued the authorizing Executive Order. Now that the Supreme Court has rejected the order he blames the Republican Party which agreed with his original statement that he could not authorize via Executive Order. Bad logic but good politics !
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The only candidate who differentiates between legal and illegal immigration is Donald Trump. I do not believe for one minute that he will deport eleven to fourteen million illegals. He will find a reasonable compromise, deport the criminals, give the others an opportunity to reside and work in the U.S. He should also find a solution to the troublesome problem of visa overstays. How can we, in 2016, accept that 480,000 visitors overstayed their tourist visa in one year only? The young illegal charged with an assassination attempt on Trump a few days ago had been living in this country for over a year. His being here did not improve his life and certainly did not contribute to the betterment country. So, why? One million legal immigrants every year would be more than enough because we are no longer the country we were a century ago.
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I am a supporter of President Obama but on this...come on!
My father came to America from a Displaced Person camp in Italy sponsored by an American family. He sponsored in turn, backed by a US Congressman, my mother and brother five years later. We had to be on a quota, processed upon arrival at the Cunard docks (Ellis Island was going), all legal and we became proud US Citizens five years later. I mean, I feel sorry for people and all that, but if you can come here illegally, have an "anchor" baby, it makes all of us millions that came here legally, followed the law of America and not just our own whim, seem like suckers.
My father came to America from a Displaced Person camp in Italy sponsored by an American family. He sponsored in turn, backed by a US Congressman, my mother and brother five years later. We had to be on a quota, processed upon arrival at the Cunard docks (Ellis Island was going), all legal and we became proud US Citizens five years later. I mean, I feel sorry for people and all that, but if you can come here illegally, have an "anchor" baby, it makes all of us millions that came here legally, followed the law of America and not just our own whim, seem like suckers.
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Those comparing the recent deluge of illegals from Mexico and Central America to the Irish, Italians and Eastern European immigrants of a century ago:
i.) How does the welfare offered a century ago measure up to current welfare, cash assistance, Medicaid, college scholarships, and housing perks.
ii.) Our manufacturing base has been gutted and moved to China, Mexico, Brazil, etc. The low-skill jobs immigrants were needed for 80-100 years ago hardly exist.
i.) How does the welfare offered a century ago measure up to current welfare, cash assistance, Medicaid, college scholarships, and housing perks.
ii.) Our manufacturing base has been gutted and moved to China, Mexico, Brazil, etc. The low-skill jobs immigrants were needed for 80-100 years ago hardly exist.
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Welfare was private a century ago - meaning there was none. It was required for the immigrant to pass medical, psychological tests and attest that they had someone to sponsor them and not be a burden on society. Check what happened in Ellis Island for an idea.
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(Not Mark) If you didn't pass the tests, especially the dreaded medical one, you were sent back to your country of origin.
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Welfare began in the Great Depression, after the Hoovervilles, under FDR especially, in the New Deal. It was meant to be temporary, not a multi-generational Dole, as in England and Ireland. Its etiology had little to do with Immigration qua Immigration.
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Like everyone here except Native Americans, my family is descended from immigrants. My great grandparents were the immigrants. My paternal great grandfather arrived here knowing no one but having a great will to live. --eventually became a US citizen after living in this country for 30 years. He arrived here without work and knowing no one. Why did he leave his hoem? In his day, all young Jewish men living in the Austrian Hungarian empire were drafted for "life", which was usually short and unpleasant. He decided to opt "for life"by coming here. He eventually became an American citizen after many years. I do not know if my other great grandparents became American citizens but their children and their children's childrens are American citizens. This is the American story. Some Americans with the same history as mine want to slam the door behind them. It has nothing to do with "law" and everything to do with prejudice against those who are "different." My family has had some significant history with this kind of prejudice. My father, a recent college graduate, was turned down for teaching jobs because he was a "Hebrew." So sorry said the employment agency. Too bad you have this "handicap." This is also an American story but not a nice one
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The people we mistakenly call Native Americans are descended from Asiatic immigrants. There are no more native to American than anyone else born in America. However, their ancestors broke no immigration laws because prehistoric America had no immigration law. Most immigrants who came to America from Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America came legally. The issue is illegal im igration, which wasn't much of a problem untl the 1960s.
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My grandfather emigrated from the same area, Austria, in order to avoid the destruction of WWI. Worked hard, blah, blah blah. I a m also tje first in my family to gradu a te college, blah blah blah. Many of us in the nothheast have that same story. It is tiresome to hear it over and over again as some sort of justification and felling of superiority. Put it to rest. Boo hoo.
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Hooray, finally a lower court decision ruled on the law of the land. Lawlessness was not rewarded. One of my Grandfathers, traveled back and forth to Europe, to renew is work visa in the early 1900's. He did that by boat because he did not want to break the law and was eventually granted a green card. I despise those who want the easy way in, are unexamined and freeload off of U.S. society all while breaking the immigration laws that are designed to protect American citizens.
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I got my green card through a lottery (look up "diversity visa lottery") run every year by the state dept.......just to let you know that the immigration laws are as absurd as they come and Obama was just trying to fix them...
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(Not Mark) Lucky you. I've had friends that weren't as lucky. It took them many years and lots of money to immigrate to this country. They all did it legally and no one who jumps the line deserves to be here. If you don't like the law work to change it, but in the meantime, it's the law.
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It is really none of your concern, Biglio. We do do not have a say in the way Canada deals with its immigrants, and while I'm sure you mean well, we prefer to see our laws respected and enforced...
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Obama's measure was an extreme executive reaction to an extremely inactive Congress. As someone who became a US citizen without breaking any laws, I am aware of the privilege. I worked hard for my US citizenship and since I also hold an EU citizenship my privilege is double. Breaking families, however, is morally more wrong than any wrong the deported did by crossing the borders. While I know that opponents of Obama on immigration have the law on their side, I also realize how much passion there is in the US in punishment. I hope I am wrong but the way our laws effectively oppress the oppressed in so many cases seems to be devised primarily to carry out the sanctions with mucho gusto.
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Guess what? Legal immigration doesn't keep families together either. Stop making it seem that the US has to admit everyone who wants to come in, including their endless family.
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(Not Mark) We're not breaking their families up, they can leave together. It's up to them. Legal immigrants don't get to bring their families either, I don't see anyone crying for them.
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I am a legal immigrant. Fortunately I am well educated and have had the means to go through the immigration process legally. I agree that illegal immigrants should not be rewarded with citizenship but the vast majority of illegal immigrants do not have the option to go through the proper channels. If you are poor and uneducated - what visa are you eligible for?
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JMH - The basic fact is, the US has lots of poor & uneducated citizens and really doesn't need more. Lacking "undocumented" (illegal) immigrants, empty seats in schools and colleges could be filled by...... Americans. Cuz we've got lots of Americans. Imagine that.
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Does anybody seriously believe that the justices on the Supreme Court are anything but nine, now eight, politicians, as venal and corrupt as any others? Surely their understanding if what is and what is not constitutional alone could not produce, time and again, these predictable splits.
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SCOTUS just handed the presidency to Hillary.
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The FBI will have lots to say about that, as did the Inspector General, and her poll numbers on Truthfulness, and Honesty will be her albatross.
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The ongoing problem of illegal immigration continues to rot this nation from the inside out. Both democrats and republicans are lackeys to their union and corporate overloads who are the true beneficiaries of illegal labor, hence why nothing meaningful has been done regarding illegal immigration and nothing will be done.
Please explain to me how letting millions of illegal aliens into the USA and then providing them benefits is a benefit to the American people.
Please tell me how this has enhanced our educational system which has lowered standards to accommodate "English as a second language students" in already overcrowded classrooms.
What about the burden placed on healthcare?
Please clue me into why illegal immigration is so great for the American economy as US workers now have to compete with illegal labor for jobs that have not yet been shipped to China or Mexico. And don't give the false argument about paying $5 for an orange.
Finally what do you say to those immigrants who make the effort to come here legally?
When those who support illegal immigration have no counter points to the items mentioned above, they will use the usual playbook and call me a racist, bigot or nationalist for just wanting the laws of the land enforced equally.
I'll take the tie but what a shame that even the highest court of the nation becomes politically correct when it comes to interpreting the laws of the land. Quite simple this should have been voted down 8-0.
Please explain to me how letting millions of illegal aliens into the USA and then providing them benefits is a benefit to the American people.
Please tell me how this has enhanced our educational system which has lowered standards to accommodate "English as a second language students" in already overcrowded classrooms.
What about the burden placed on healthcare?
Please clue me into why illegal immigration is so great for the American economy as US workers now have to compete with illegal labor for jobs that have not yet been shipped to China or Mexico. And don't give the false argument about paying $5 for an orange.
Finally what do you say to those immigrants who make the effort to come here legally?
When those who support illegal immigration have no counter points to the items mentioned above, they will use the usual playbook and call me a racist, bigot or nationalist for just wanting the laws of the land enforced equally.
I'll take the tie but what a shame that even the highest court of the nation becomes politically correct when it comes to interpreting the laws of the land. Quite simple this should have been voted down 8-0.
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Let's be clear: ESL education does NOT lower standards. It teaches the same standards to children with limited knowledge of English, and develops their English skills while teaching subject-area content: it teaches more in the same amount of time. ESL students are expected to perform as well as their native-English speaking peers. They don't get any free passes. Further, take a look at who's not a native English speaker: most of them are US citizens. Source: over a decade of being an ESL teacher in Texas (where my classroom has never been overcrowded).
It teaches more in the same amount of time? Maybe theoretically...
Regardless, who pays for the extra cost?
Regardless, who pays for the extra cost?
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Just in case you thought that the Republicans were really withholding hearings on Garland out of some greater principle, you can now see clearly that no, it's merely a coup d'etat to take over the third branch of the government. Do you like the rule of law? Think that the three branches of government and checks and balances are a good thing? Then don't vote Republican.
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Why do we even have a Supreme Court? The justices' political bias has been on full display since SCOTUS elected W. In this age of electronic media, surely we can devise a system where the people vote on issues such as immigration. I trust hundreds of millions of Americans more than the pronouncements of justices serving for life. Either give us the vote or allow SCOTUS justices a ten-year term.
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Since when is it a civil right to immigrate to any country you please regardless of that country's laws?
A large percentage of Americans find that entitlement attitude offensive.
A large percentage of Americans find that entitlement attitude offensive.
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Not sure what Obama was trying to achieve - change the current population mix? Saturate our school system and health care with even more demand? If we don't have borders and control immigration the country will soon stop to exist - hundreds of millions will come here and our already overburdened system will crack for good. If you can't see that we are failing those who already here legally (like Black Lives Matter showed it quite clearly) you may need to buy a new pair of glasses.
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A lot of commenters referring to this Supreme Court "decision" are missing the context. The Supreme Court did NOT decide, COULD NOT decide, and therefore the lower court ruling was left standing through inaction by the Court. The GOP has essentially shut down the Legislative Branch of our government, and now they have managed to keep the Judicial Branch from functioning as well. And with the lower court ruling left to stand, the Executive Branch is not allowed to proceed as desired either. Wow. Quite an achievement by the GOP. Completely apart from my feelings about immigration, I want to ask the GOP "When do I get my government back?"
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The President starts with since 2014...blame the Republicans, but what about 2008 to 2014 when he had a Democrat majorities in the House and Senate. He did nothing. Now it is to late. Congress must pass laws on this and issuing executive orders, and blaming everybody else, is not the answer. Their are many ways this problem can be solved, (worked in Washington for 39 years) but nobody wants to come to grips with this. As a nation we must control our boarders. How we do it is open to interpretation, but we can do it.
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Obama did not have majorities in the Senate. He had 59 Dems in the Senate (excluding or including Ted Kennedy - which is neither here nor there). The Republicans filibustered everything thus requiring 60 votes. There was no majority. Don't believe everything you hear on Fox News.
I see many comments, including Pres. Obama's, about a "ruling" and a "decision." The news appears to be, however, that the U.S. Supreme Court was unable to reach a decision or to make a ruling. There's no indication in the reports that the Court has issued a ruling either in writing or orally.
While the President clearly needs to handle immigration issues under the incomplete and contradictory laws and appropriations made by the Congress, and the Congress arguably needs to put in place revised immigration laws, the U.S. Supreme Court clearly needs to deal, not with immigration, but with this case's specious arguments about standing and about Executive initiative in coping with the absence of a coherent legal framework on immigration.
The President is doing the Executive's job appropriately given the state of the laws -- contrary to the comments of many well-intentioned readers who don't appear to understand the situation that the Executive confronts.
But the Congress and now the U.S. Supreme Court are both falling down on their jobs. I blame the partisanship of the the Republican Party representatives in both these bodies for their failures, to say nothing of the decisions of the U.S. District and Appeals Courts, which seem more rebellious than judicious.
While the President clearly needs to handle immigration issues under the incomplete and contradictory laws and appropriations made by the Congress, and the Congress arguably needs to put in place revised immigration laws, the U.S. Supreme Court clearly needs to deal, not with immigration, but with this case's specious arguments about standing and about Executive initiative in coping with the absence of a coherent legal framework on immigration.
The President is doing the Executive's job appropriately given the state of the laws -- contrary to the comments of many well-intentioned readers who don't appear to understand the situation that the Executive confronts.
But the Congress and now the U.S. Supreme Court are both falling down on their jobs. I blame the partisanship of the the Republican Party representatives in both these bodies for their failures, to say nothing of the decisions of the U.S. District and Appeals Courts, which seem more rebellious than judicious.
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I think we should have borders just as other developed countries do and that means you are here legally. The conversation related to illegal immigrants is always lumped with topics such as "minority immigrants" and the word illegal is not used. I am opposed to illegal immigrants being in this country illegally which has nothing to do with how I feel about Hispanics.
They are here illegally and they protest our government. Talk about feeling entitled.
They are here illegally and they protest our government. Talk about feeling entitled.
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"President Obama said the ruling is a deep disappointment for the millions of immigrants who will not be able to emerge from the threat of deportation for at least the balance of his term."
Why did he forgot to use the word "unauthorized or illegal" before "immigrants". No one is deporting legal immigrants. Why Democrats trying to spin this as immigration when it's all about illegal immigration? Not enforcing a law of the land ?. The president chose to ignore a law at his own convenience. what if the next président choose to ignore the law to arrest murderers ? would that be okay.
Why did he forgot to use the word "unauthorized or illegal" before "immigrants". No one is deporting legal immigrants. Why Democrats trying to spin this as immigration when it's all about illegal immigration? Not enforcing a law of the land ?. The president chose to ignore a law at his own convenience. what if the next président choose to ignore the law to arrest murderers ? would that be okay.
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To all those commentators who suspect deportation. It's not going to happen despite all the GOP rhetoric.The logistics alone are mind boggling and our Government is far from capable of executing on such an exercise, otherwise it would have been done previously. These people are, by and large, hard working members of society. Let them come out of the shadows and pay taxes and stop living in fear. We are not a country who rounds up a section of society and puts them on trains and sends them off somewhere and divides their families. Despite all the blustering arguments, they are not going to be deported so let's enable them to contribute to our greater society.
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No one seemed too worried about "breaking up families" when we started sending huge numbers of (primarily black) men to prison in the 1990s for non-violent drug offenses.
This morning on NPR they ran a piece about the mental health consequences of children of illegal immigrants who saw their parents arrested/detained/deported. I'm going to take a wild guess that children of Americans have the same mental health issues when they see a parent arrested and jailed.
So much concern for breaking up families through deportation, not quite the same level of concern for breaking up families through incarceration. Both are very similar: an adult made a poor choice and is held accountable. Whether you sold drugs or snuck across the border, it's illegal. And holding people accountable is not "heartless" or "bigoted", laws are laws and either you're immigrating lawfully or you are not.
This morning on NPR they ran a piece about the mental health consequences of children of illegal immigrants who saw their parents arrested/detained/deported. I'm going to take a wild guess that children of Americans have the same mental health issues when they see a parent arrested and jailed.
So much concern for breaking up families through deportation, not quite the same level of concern for breaking up families through incarceration. Both are very similar: an adult made a poor choice and is held accountable. Whether you sold drugs or snuck across the border, it's illegal. And holding people accountable is not "heartless" or "bigoted", laws are laws and either you're immigrating lawfully or you are not.
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I'm a middle age white woman who lives in the Midwest. I understand that the demographic tide is turning and that the Hispanic population will continue to grow. I don't have a problem with that fact. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. With a $19 trillion debt we are not in a position to provide benefits for millions of illegals.
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I am happy to see some precedent limiting the President's authority to legislate by executive order. One of the scariest things about Trump is the possibility of rule by executive order. Liberals and conservatives alike should be happy with the 5th Circuit's ruling.
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This is the first good news heard in a long time. When a country's leader gives preference to the imaginary rights of illegal immigrants over the rights of that country's own citizens, that is the last straw. Charity begins at home: our elected officials need to feed, house, educate, and gainfully employ all of our own countrymen, not the 11 million here illegally. I hope that the present Supreme Court arrangement continues indefinitel, rather than give HIllary Clinton a shot at loading the Court. She's already sworn to follow in Obama's executive-amnesty footsteps on her first 30 days in office. Some "Democrat." So much for helping America's struggling middle and working classes.
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N -- all of those illegals came here because people employed them -- wink, wink, nod, nod. If there hadn't been people who wanted them here, wanted them to do the jobs for very low pay that American citizens wouldn't do.
And in the course of that, depress the wage scale for jobs at the bottom too.
Did you hire any of these people? Did Trump?
And now you want them all to be deported, their kids too. And you are sanctimonious about "charity begins and home>'
What charity? Spell it out. I sure don't see any real "charity' for the poor in the US.
And why all the anger?
And in the course of that, depress the wage scale for jobs at the bottom too.
Did you hire any of these people? Did Trump?
And now you want them all to be deported, their kids too. And you are sanctimonious about "charity begins and home>'
What charity? Spell it out. I sure don't see any real "charity' for the poor in the US.
And why all the anger?
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Sure, start going pick up carrots, wash dishes, clean up stairs and take the garbage out at minimum wage....because those are the jobs illegals are doing...fat Americans will not last a day in one of those jobs...
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A president who picks and chooses from the laws of the land those he sees fit to follow in furtherance of his political agenda while discarding or ignoring those which he sees as impediments is a tyrant...
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Curious about some aspects of this ongoing conundrum:
> What happens to the anchor children when the parents are deported?
> Why is there no enforcement on employers, such as big agriculture and construction?
> How much are you willing to pay for a head of lettuce, or for gardening services?
> Why is this such a big problem now, when all the ag workers and car wash crews have been Mexican illegals since I was a child in the 1960s?
> Is the illegal immigrant takeover that has occurred in residential construction in any way related to decimation of labor unions?
> What happens to the anchor children when the parents are deported?
> Why is there no enforcement on employers, such as big agriculture and construction?
> How much are you willing to pay for a head of lettuce, or for gardening services?
> Why is this such a big problem now, when all the ag workers and car wash crews have been Mexican illegals since I was a child in the 1960s?
> Is the illegal immigrant takeover that has occurred in residential construction in any way related to decimation of labor unions?
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You have a great question about anchor babies. As far as I have seen, these citizens leave the US with their parents. I suppose they can make the most of their lives back in their adopted home until they are adults, and then take advantage of their rights as citizens and move back to the US: without the same education or job experience of their peers who were raised here. I think THEN they might become a burden on us when they (legally) utilize social services... and all without their parents having paid any taxes here.
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None of your questions are valid because they are not relevant to the immigration law/executive action in question. Simple as that.
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I hope that those who make comments supporting the decision will also vote Trump in November as Hillary will increase illegal immigration to support foreign governments that contributed to her foundation.
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And those who don't want to spend billions of dollars of taxpayer money rounding up mothers and fathers at work and buyin fuel and renting buses and airplanes to break up families: honor America's great tradition of welcoming immigrants and vote for Hillary
You mean the same Trump that employs tons of illegals in his hotels and even homes because they are cheaper than US citizens?
Rest assured that if Trump wins we will see way more illegals, not less....he's not going to shoot himself in the foot....
Rest assured that if Trump wins we will see way more illegals, not less....he's not going to shoot himself in the foot....
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Nope, not voting for Trump, but I'm definitely anti-illegal immigration. Sometimes you have to take the bitter with the sweet. You see, I'm not like the Tea Party folks; I realize that sometimes you don't get everything you want. A Trump presidency would be a disaster for this country. And if you honestly think he's going to round up 11 million people and ship 'em out within his four-year term, you're delusional. It would be a logistical, legal and financial nightmare. I'll vote for Clinton and lobby for tightening our borders and upping our deportations. Wish me luck!
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Easy to use Obama for a punching bag when the GOP for decades including this Republican congress have deliberately obstructed any form of resolution,
Critics have no good answers either and it was Big Ag, the Chamber of Commerce and fellow travelers who turned a bling eye to illegal immigration. And it still drives down wages, weaken unions, and generally hold the bottom half of US workers down.
Critics have no good answers either and it was Big Ag, the Chamber of Commerce and fellow travelers who turned a bling eye to illegal immigration. And it still drives down wages, weaken unions, and generally hold the bottom half of US workers down.
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You can't blame this mess just on the Republicans.
George W Bush tried to get immigration reform through Congress, twice, the first time it was defeated by the GOP, but it was the Democrats and Republicans that killed it in 2007. That bill had a pathway to citizenship, too.
Everyone wants the Hispanic vote, but they can't seem to allow either party to pass legislation.
George W Bush tried to get immigration reform through Congress, twice, the first time it was defeated by the GOP, but it was the Democrats and Republicans that killed it in 2007. That bill had a pathway to citizenship, too.
Everyone wants the Hispanic vote, but they can't seem to allow either party to pass legislation.
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If anyone breaks into your house and remain their unwelcome and uninvited, they are not members of your family; they are criminals and will be treated that way.
Why is it hard for Obama and his hopped-up-on-koolaid myrmidons to know this simple distinction?
Why is it hard for Obama and his hopped-up-on-koolaid myrmidons to know this simple distinction?
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all true, in fact I wonder what the natives would say about your ancestors....
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The " natives " we're not so, They also migrated to the Americas from Asia.Inform yourself
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My understanding of DAPA was not so much as to give a pass to illegal immigrants but, rather, to deal with the reality of situation as humanely as possible. It's easy to say "they're illegal", "they broke the law", etc. OK, laws have been broken and, let's face it, the complexion of the law breakers doesn't help. But the real question is: what are we going to do about it? In addition to being cruel at a societal level, Congress would never fund the many billions to round these folks up and send them "home". So for those who agree with this ruling, please inform us of the alternatives. And let's not forget that this problem is a very old one and one of our own creation -- we let this happen to ourselves by not demanding action on this issue well before Obama came on the scene.
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We don't need to round people up. We need only make it difficult to remain. worker verification, no licenses, no services, etc
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The alternative? Toughen our laws and let these people self deport. If you break our laws you are going to face the consequences. We can no longer afford to hand out free passes.
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You mean more difficult than living in the shadows? More difficult than the constant fear of being deported -- keep in mind that Obama has already sent many, many "illegals" home already. As for worker verification, well Joe, now you're closing the proverbial barn door. If we had an effective worker verification system that was properly used by employers and enforced by law 20 years ago, we might not have this problem now. As I said, we let this happen to ourselves. We broke it now we own it.
I hope history records that the Republican party basically refused to do their jobs as a protest to the public electing their first black president. There is absolutely no reason they should not be having hearings on Garland.
I don't know anything about Garland, I don't know if he'd be a good Justice, and I really don't care about this particular ruling.
But my taxes and yours pays Congress to do their job. And their job is to is to learn about Garland, and decide if he would be a good candidate to the Supreme Court- not stage government shut downs because they don't like a black man being president.
And just so you know- I'm white.
I don't know anything about Garland, I don't know if he'd be a good Justice, and I really don't care about this particular ruling.
But my taxes and yours pays Congress to do their job. And their job is to is to learn about Garland, and decide if he would be a good candidate to the Supreme Court- not stage government shut downs because they don't like a black man being president.
And just so you know- I'm white.
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I believe the spirit of this immigration reform act has been to give those illegal immigrants who have been contributing to the economy, not breaking any laws, and have representation here through relatives that are US citizens, the chance to redeem themselves and apply for citizenship instead of being deported. That is the ONLY opportunity being afforded here.
It would be ridiculous to extend open arms to all illegal immigrants unconditionally, and this is NOT what Obama has proposed here.
It would be ridiculous to extend open arms to all illegal immigrants unconditionally, and this is NOT what Obama has proposed here.
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".. “the executive does have enforcement discretion to forbear from removing aliens on an individual basis.” Their quarrel, they said, was with what they called a blanket grant of “lawful presence” to millions of immigrants, entitling them to various benefits...."
The very definition of "executive overreach".
He could have used his executive discretion to save these vulnerable people, but instead demanded much more.
The shame is on him & his administration, especially his legal advisors - either ignorant or willfully wrong.
The very definition of "executive overreach".
He could have used his executive discretion to save these vulnerable people, but instead demanded much more.
The shame is on him & his administration, especially his legal advisors - either ignorant or willfully wrong.
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I completely agree with your view point. Being a liberal, I too feel that it's unfair to allow illegal immigrants continue staying here. Being an immigrant myself, I support immigration but not an illegal one. Also, I am perplexed by how the families are being torn apart! It's the illegal parents who to be blamed. But the children can obviously take credit of their dual citizenship and can return to USA if and when they want to.
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I find it extremely frustrating to read an article about a Supreme Court deadlock which fails to state which judges are on each side. Relevant details please.
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Republicans for breaking up families.
Democrats for keeping families together
Democrats for keeping families together
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@Lynn:
OR
Republicans for law
Democrats for breaking law
OR
Republicans for law
Democrats for breaking law
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Here's a rule of thumb, one tha rarely if ever fails: the lefties vote as a bloc...
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“It is heartbreaking for the millions of immigrants who have made their lives here.”
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Obama took the oath to faithfully execute the laws of this land, and he ought to know that those who entered this country illegally or remain past their period of welcome are not immigrants but scofflaws. If anyone wants to contribute to our economy, apply through proper channels, go through the red tape that every LEGAL IMMIGRANT does, and then become an immigrant.
If you are undocumented and stay here illegally you are NO IMMIGRANT.
Why is this distinction not apparent to our Mahdi?
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Obama took the oath to faithfully execute the laws of this land, and he ought to know that those who entered this country illegally or remain past their period of welcome are not immigrants but scofflaws. If anyone wants to contribute to our economy, apply through proper channels, go through the red tape that every LEGAL IMMIGRANT does, and then become an immigrant.
If you are undocumented and stay here illegally you are NO IMMIGRANT.
Why is this distinction not apparent to our Mahdi?
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It's amazing how immigration brings out all kinds of xenophobic racists hiding behind the "law".
To all those claiming to be here perfectly legally, I would like to see how fast they would discover compassion and understanding if they discovered that their presence here is not as legal as they think or claim it to be.
Though I don't think the physical presence in the US should automatically entitle anybody illegally here to stay in the country, the courts should have broad leeway in determining deportation cases where no other crime has been committed and severe hardship and breaking up of families would ensue.
To all those claiming to be here perfectly legally, I would like to see how fast they would discover compassion and understanding if they discovered that their presence here is not as legal as they think or claim it to be.
Though I don't think the physical presence in the US should automatically entitle anybody illegally here to stay in the country, the courts should have broad leeway in determining deportation cases where no other crime has been committed and severe hardship and breaking up of families would ensue.
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I hope that immigrant voters will remember which party wants to help immigrants, and which one wants to throw them to the wolves.
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(Not Mark) Since illegal immigrants can't vote (we hope) it doesn't make any difference, does it? As for legal immigrants, they can vote for whoever they want, after they become citizens. Not so hard to understand, is it?
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Well, Grouch, that takes the cake... You expect the vote of the illegal aliens to turn the tide. Now, that really tells the tale...
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1. There is a legit debate to be had over the limits of executive authority to be had here, as the 4-4 tie and the bipartisan nature of the people bringing the suit says. But you'd never know it, from the dumb howling and the chanting of slogans. By the way, a tie isn't a decision.
2. The Decaration and Constitution are predicated on the idea that human rights are universal.
3. Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. Explicitly. Read it sometime.
4. We are not gonna round up and deport 11 million people. If you believe that, you are a fool. And if you believe that, you're gonna love the police state, the collapsed economy, and the war with Mexico that dumping six million people there and chopping the remittances they send home would very soon create.
5. I am sick unto death of immygrants who scream at our President, and turn up their pert little noses at other immigrants and crank out racist comments. Far as I'm concerned, it's YOU we should deport, since you've no respect for America.
P.S. If I were a GOPer and ESPECIALLY if I were stupid enough to be one of Trump's suckers, I'd buy a tin hat. Tinfoil won't help you this fall.
2. The Decaration and Constitution are predicated on the idea that human rights are universal.
3. Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. Explicitly. Read it sometime.
4. We are not gonna round up and deport 11 million people. If you believe that, you are a fool. And if you believe that, you're gonna love the police state, the collapsed economy, and the war with Mexico that dumping six million people there and chopping the remittances they send home would very soon create.
5. I am sick unto death of immygrants who scream at our President, and turn up their pert little noses at other immigrants and crank out racist comments. Far as I'm concerned, it's YOU we should deport, since you've no respect for America.
P.S. If I were a GOPer and ESPECIALLY if I were stupid enough to be one of Trump's suckers, I'd buy a tin hat. Tinfoil won't help you this fall.
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Thank goodness this goes back to the district court for trial. Finally (just barely) we find that the legal system and the rule of law trumps one man's pen and phone.
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When migrants demonstrate at Trump rallies with Mexican flags, it sends a very clear signal where their sympathies and loyalties are, and it is not with the United States. No one wants children and their parents to be separated, and this makes me torn. Deportation is not always practical. What to do? It would help if our government enforced its existing immigration laws. As long as our ruling elite wants the cheapest labor possible, the music issue won't be going away.
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Have you ever been to the Columbus Day parade?
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So if Congress is in charge of setting immigration policy and reform then I wish they would get on it. But NOTHING for decades has been done.
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There are immigration laws in the books ever since the last amnesty of 1986 .How about trying to enforce those laws for once? Had they been enforced we should not been millions of illegal immigrants " demanding their rights "
Our current massive levels of legal and illegal immigration from the developing world is one of the greatest social experiments in history.
Since 1965, we've admitted 60 million immigrants with 75 million more projected to come by 2060 under current policies. It's probably the largest migration in history.
The Census Bureau projects at current rates (not even the increases that immigration "reformers" want to implement) immigrants and their descendants will comprise 3/4 of the population growth of the U.S. going over the long term.
Such a radical policy should require something on the order of a national consensus. Not to mention authorization via our democratic processes rather than by unilateral executive action.
Since 1965, we've admitted 60 million immigrants with 75 million more projected to come by 2060 under current policies. It's probably the largest migration in history.
The Census Bureau projects at current rates (not even the increases that immigration "reformers" want to implement) immigrants and their descendants will comprise 3/4 of the population growth of the U.S. going over the long term.
Such a radical policy should require something on the order of a national consensus. Not to mention authorization via our democratic processes rather than by unilateral executive action.
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Are you really ignorant of the fact that over 95% of today's Americans descend from earlier vast waves of immigration? (If you want to know about the challenges of assimilating a lot of new immigrants, ask a Native American. Now those were dangerous illegals: no papers, and the first thing they did when they got here was start stealing everything they could get their hands on.)
The U.S. has been assimilating large numbers of immigrants...forever. One way or another, you're one of them.
Are you disturbed we let your ancestors in?
The U.S. has been assimilating large numbers of immigrants...forever. One way or another, you're one of them.
Are you disturbed we let your ancestors in?
John: if you were informed you'd know that immigrants as a share of the population is actually at an all time high and climbing. More than ever experienced in the early 20th century. Immigration is literally at unprecedented levels already and some groups are pushing for higher rates in the name of "reform".
Secondly, I'm not sure how citing the experience of the Native Americans is in any way an argument for more immigration. Seems to me if the Native Americans were able to slow European immigration back then, there would probably be more of them around today.
Thirdly, your argument to consistency with past policy is fallacious. Just because immigration was a good policy when the wilderness was untamed and the industrial revolution required a huge labor pool doesn't mean it remains so. That's like saying indentured servitude is a good policy today because it was practiced in the past.
Immigration is good in small doses, but not when it threatens to overwhelm the national character.
Secondly, I'm not sure how citing the experience of the Native Americans is in any way an argument for more immigration. Seems to me if the Native Americans were able to slow European immigration back then, there would probably be more of them around today.
Thirdly, your argument to consistency with past policy is fallacious. Just because immigration was a good policy when the wilderness was untamed and the industrial revolution required a huge labor pool doesn't mean it remains so. That's like saying indentured servitude is a good policy today because it was practiced in the past.
Immigration is good in small doses, but not when it threatens to overwhelm the national character.
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On the Supreme Court, I have been pleading that all sides stop "politicizing" the Court by the constant barrage of statements, particularly from the Right, that "we're going to 'lose' the Supreme Court" if the other party gets elected to the White House in November. I want to believe, and I think it's very important to believe, that the Supreme Court justices are not beholden to political viewpoints and are the guardians of what they collectively deem to be constitutional within our system of government. I respect their decisions, whether I personally like them or not.
I think it will be another mistake if today's 4-4 non-decision becomes a major political plank in the 2016 campaign. Yet, it's all but inevitable. The Right will only see a new "5-4" majority of justices arraigned against their political posittons if the new 9th justice is someone appointed by a Democratic president. The Democrats may also think this way, that there will indeed be a new a "5-4" majority in their favor. Then, who knows, Justice Thomas or Justice Ginsburg may end up being replaced during the term of the next president, resulting in maybe a "6-3" majority that appears to align with the Democrats. This is, in all its variants, WRONG thinking. It is an insult to every individual justice, who is expected (and who generally does) make decisions based on the constitutional merits of each case. Our country depends on everyone believing this to be true (or as true as possible).
I think it will be another mistake if today's 4-4 non-decision becomes a major political plank in the 2016 campaign. Yet, it's all but inevitable. The Right will only see a new "5-4" majority of justices arraigned against their political posittons if the new 9th justice is someone appointed by a Democratic president. The Democrats may also think this way, that there will indeed be a new a "5-4" majority in their favor. Then, who knows, Justice Thomas or Justice Ginsburg may end up being replaced during the term of the next president, resulting in maybe a "6-3" majority that appears to align with the Democrats. This is, in all its variants, WRONG thinking. It is an insult to every individual justice, who is expected (and who generally does) make decisions based on the constitutional merits of each case. Our country depends on everyone believing this to be true (or as true as possible).
Yet Obama tried to choose a nominee that would be politically neutral, palatable to both parties and the GOP won't even meet him, much less put him to a vote.
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Why are we worrying about illegals who could work in their own country but just want the better pay and perks available in the U.S.? If they're under persecution in their own country, that's a different story, but we already have loads of people out of work who would love to have those jobs.
And why isn't the president helping the Christians in Iraq and Syria who are suffering under ISIS genocide?
And why isn't the president helping the Christians in Iraq and Syria who are suffering under ISIS genocide?
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I only wish we could have had the considered, centrist vote of Merrick Garland to decide this issue definitively, rather than accept a lower court's ruling by default.
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But let me guess - if the default were such that, in the event of a tie, the decision of the lower court were reversed, you'd be just fine without Garland, right?
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"..a sharp blow to an ambitious program that Mr. Obama had hoped would become one of his central legacies." How can a temporary order represent even a part of President Obama's legacy? The only way immigration reform could have been part of his already formidable legacy is if Congress had passed a bill - and that was never going to happen.
There is much less here than meets the eye. The administration can continue to give low priority to deporting those covered under this executive action until after the election in November. If Hillary Clinton wins, she will pursue essentially the same policy. If Trump wins, who knows?
There is much less here than meets the eye. The administration can continue to give low priority to deporting those covered under this executive action until after the election in November. If Hillary Clinton wins, she will pursue essentially the same policy. If Trump wins, who knows?
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Why give citizenship for being here illegally?
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If you are white, you are here illegally. Your ancestors stole this country from the Natives. If it weren't for corporations hiring illegals, it wouldn't be a problem.
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Whatever natives? You mean the ones who came here from Asia and took it from whoever was here then?
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Illegals with anchor babies must be weeping and gnashing their teeth now.
When they entered this country illegally, no one promised them safety from (justly deserved) deportation. They aren't supposed to be here, period.
When they entered this country illegally, no one promised them safety from (justly deserved) deportation. They aren't supposed to be here, period.
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Hallelujah!
Let me point out something. Most of the rich ultra liberals are the biggest hypocrites on the earth. (Cue the Clinton's & millions of others...) They make mega millions & pay ridiculously little income tax in proportion to their net wealth.
May I suggest they all chip in and buy an island. They can then provide all necessary infrastructure at their expense (water, electricity, roads, schools, hospitals, courts of law, prisons, etc).
Once the island is complete, they can have an open border policy and fill the island with as many immigrants as they can possibly squeeze in. Then, THEY can pay for EVERYTHING to provide for these folks, cradle to grave.
Great social experiment.
Let's watch their fortunes evaporate and see how long this supreme act of charity lasts.
Let me point out something. Most of the rich ultra liberals are the biggest hypocrites on the earth. (Cue the Clinton's & millions of others...) They make mega millions & pay ridiculously little income tax in proportion to their net wealth.
May I suggest they all chip in and buy an island. They can then provide all necessary infrastructure at their expense (water, electricity, roads, schools, hospitals, courts of law, prisons, etc).
Once the island is complete, they can have an open border policy and fill the island with as many immigrants as they can possibly squeeze in. Then, THEY can pay for EVERYTHING to provide for these folks, cradle to grave.
Great social experiment.
Let's watch their fortunes evaporate and see how long this supreme act of charity lasts.
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The great social experiment is in not punishing the American businesses that invite them here and hire them.
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The sheer number of people who wish to reëxamine the Fourteenth Amendment, which is, by the way, settled law, are upsetting and worthy of derision.
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Do give to those trying to re-examine the 2nd Amendment, which is, by the way, settled law - the same derision.
Do you ask those who are citizens or legal residents to abide by the law of this country and if they do not do not do you think they're worthy of derision?
What about people who come to this country illegally, and those who knowingly hire them to avoid paying a "decent wage" or having to pay social security taxes?
Are they worthy of derision?
Do you ask those who are citizens or legal residents to abide by the law of this country and if they do not do not do you think they're worthy of derision?
What about people who come to this country illegally, and those who knowingly hire them to avoid paying a "decent wage" or having to pay social security taxes?
Are they worthy of derision?
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Some would say the same about the Second Amendment John. That's settled law too but is it good for the country?
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I will trade repeal of birthright citizenship for repeal of the 2nd amendment.
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Whatever one thinks about the individuals who are here illegally, the issue was whether the president has the authority to refuse to enforce laws passed by Congress and been signed into law. No matter how long it takes or how impatient people get, and no matter how humane what the president did appears to many...the appellate court determined he bypassed the country's immigration laws, and the Supreme Court did not overturn that decision.
If Americans want to make changes in our immigration laws they will have to elect people who will work towards that end. That is the essence of the rule of law. Whether we are acting legally or illegally is not determined by individuals but by the set of rules our elected bodies turn into laws. This ruling may frustrate many well-meaning people, but the alternative opens the door to a breakdown of our system of checks and balances that keep power from being vested in any one individual or small group of influential people.
If Americans want to make changes in our immigration laws they will have to elect people who will work towards that end. That is the essence of the rule of law. Whether we are acting legally or illegally is not determined by individuals but by the set of rules our elected bodies turn into laws. This ruling may frustrate many well-meaning people, but the alternative opens the door to a breakdown of our system of checks and balances that keep power from being vested in any one individual or small group of influential people.
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I'm a liberal, and I think its great we allow one million people to immigrate legally into America every year. However, I am seriously against allowing illegal migrants the right to citizenship or benefits, including kids who came here as children. Obama is wrong on this issue and I don't want to give 12 to 15 million people who are here illegally, a path to citizenship, thus rewarding them for breaking our laws and invading our borders. Not other country has so many illegal migrants in the lands except in the Middle East. These people must be deported, including that lady from El Salvador in the photo, yelling that she has rights. She doesn't because she got here unlawfully.
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If you're born here
You're a citizen here
That you don't like people of color and their "anchor babies" is your personal choice.
Ted Cruz wasn't born here. Yet Texas let him in... was it because his Cuban born father who didn't become an American citizen until `2005 had an anchor wife?
Let's just keep it simple
You're born here - You're an American
One of your Parents is an American and you were Born on Mars or points beyond - You're an American
You're a citizen here
That you don't like people of color and their "anchor babies" is your personal choice.
Ted Cruz wasn't born here. Yet Texas let him in... was it because his Cuban born father who didn't become an American citizen until `2005 had an anchor wife?
Let's just keep it simple
You're born here - You're an American
One of your Parents is an American and you were Born on Mars or points beyond - You're an American
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Thank you at admitting right-away that you are a liberal. However, maybe telling this taints what you say after? Just a Thought. :-)
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Mr Obama, I'll pick my own fruit and make my own bed. Some legacy. If Companies paid a decent wage, we wouldn't harbor illegals. Legal Americans would have jobs. Instead we got Walmart.
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Only 37,000 new jobs in May is a disgrace for the opening of summer. College students will never pay off their student loans without summer employment, along with teachers with 10 weeks off who need summer gigs.
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“Deferred action does not provide these individuals with any lawful status under the immigration laws,” he said. “But it provides some measure of dignity and decent treatment. It recognizes the damage that would be wreaked by tearing apart families,” Mr. Verrilli added.
It was a deferred action. It wasn't granting them legal status automatically. It was merely giving these families who are no threat to society a chance to get their affairs in order to either stay or leave. Had it been anyone else sitting in his place, it would have gone through.
It was a deferred action. It wasn't granting them legal status automatically. It was merely giving these families who are no threat to society a chance to get their affairs in order to either stay or leave. Had it been anyone else sitting in his place, it would have gone through.
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These families are a threat to society and a threat to the rule of law. There is nothing dignified about breaking our laws and trying to tell us how to run our society. There is also nothing preventing the people in question from going back home.
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I make $100 and $70 ends up in my checking account. That same illegal immigrant makes $100 and keeps that $100. They have free use of our roads, bridges, and tunnels. They have free access to police and fire departments.
I can be sent to jail for not paying my fair share.
Why should they be allowed to stay without paying their fair share?
I can be sent to jail for not paying my fair share.
Why should they be allowed to stay without paying their fair share?
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In addition to all the freebies you named, they also have free health care, while those of us who are natural-born citizens have to pay for ours.
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To be honest part of what Obama would have done was make those people pay back taxes. He clearly overreached but the tax thing could be taken care of in other ways.
What _is_ Fair Share, anyway?
The President tried. It's more than anyone else had the guts to do.
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Immigrating the legal way, including waiting one's turn and making the trip when it was time was something that members of my family had to do. That took guts.
Obama tried to undermine the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law that makes this country a better place than, let's say, Mexico. Many of the people who agree with the President on this matter do not understand why the rule of law distinguishes us from other nations in our hemisphere. And many of those do not travel. Try entering Canada or Mexico, or El Salvador. You have show your papers, fill out forms and answer intrusive questions. The border officials are not nice guys and gals, and if you don't qualify, you don't get in. 12 million Mexicans have entered this country since 1990. That's more than half of the population of Australia, where I am today.
The United States should be proud of its legal immigration program. And we must enforce our laws, unlike Obama.
Obama tried to undermine the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law that makes this country a better place than, let's say, Mexico. Many of the people who agree with the President on this matter do not understand why the rule of law distinguishes us from other nations in our hemisphere. And many of those do not travel. Try entering Canada or Mexico, or El Salvador. You have show your papers, fill out forms and answer intrusive questions. The border officials are not nice guys and gals, and if you don't qualify, you don't get in. 12 million Mexicans have entered this country since 1990. That's more than half of the population of Australia, where I am today.
The United States should be proud of its legal immigration program. And we must enforce our laws, unlike Obama.
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I have been in the United States for 24 years, became a permanent resident 14 years ago and a citizen 8 years ago. Prior to becoming a permanent resident, I followed every rule in the book. Yet I do not agree with many of the sanctimonious comments by other immigrants posted here in the last few hours. To me the issue is not black and white. It needs to be dealt with in a pragmatic way. Everyone has a different take on "fairness", depending on one's ethnicity, socioeconomic status, etc. Some complain about taking 10 years to bring siblings over on an immigrant visa. At the risk of sounding cynical here, I have to say that most people doing well in their home country wouldn't bother waiting in limbo for a decade and then uproot their families to start from scratch here. In my opinion the sibling category of immigrant visa should be eliminated entirely.
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I'd make an exception for an underage orphaned sibling who is a dependent of the US citizen or resident alien or visa aspirant.
Watch what they do, not what they say. They probably won't actually increase the ICE budget to effectively change anything.
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I believe immigration is a universal human right. And as slavery and discrimination were once the law of the land, some laws are just wrong. The president should use his power of executive clemency to pardon all who have run afoul of our inhuman laws.
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Dear Rlanni,
Sorry but your belief runs opposite to the law of every country on earth. No nation allows people to just wander in and settle down without applying to be a citizen, or at least having a visa. Your belief is similar to a belief that anyone can take whatever they want from anyone else if they can get away with it. And it's not an inhuman law by any means, it's a highly human law, and it's always applied in any area with a government.
Sorry but your belief runs opposite to the law of every country on earth. No nation allows people to just wander in and settle down without applying to be a citizen, or at least having a visa. Your belief is similar to a belief that anyone can take whatever they want from anyone else if they can get away with it. And it's not an inhuman law by any means, it's a highly human law, and it's always applied in any area with a government.
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Immigration is a universal human right? So I can just go live in Switzerland, not pay taxes to support the system and get free healthcare and education and its my 'human right' to force them to support me?
Without control of immigration there are no countries and without countries there is no reason to contribute to the general welfare. Without control of immigration we have anarchy and that in practice serves no ones basic human rights.
Without control of immigration there are no countries and without countries there is no reason to contribute to the general welfare. Without control of immigration we have anarchy and that in practice serves no ones basic human rights.
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I agree. Leaving a country is a human right. But entering another one is under control of the destination's laws.
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Very shortsighted decision. The immigration issue has been viewed through a distorted, racist lens for too long. It's a global economy now, and travel is so fluid that notions of national boundaries are undergoing an epochal change. Let's look at things this way: we are so eager to export our goods to other parts of the world, how can we not see immigration as an opportunity to bring those consumers to the US to also be producers, taxpayers, and contributors to the nation? With 11 million undocumented immigrants, the legal immigration process is obviously far from exceeding the limits of our capacity to absorb immigrants. Fine those who entered illegally, and give them a path to citizenship that includes paying off the fines.
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On the issue of illegal immigration the Democrats have lost all sensitivity to the rule of law and how enshrined this principle is to rank-and-file Americans. Personally I believe that this is as much a ploy for votes as it is a matter of compassion. After all, the Democratic Party has lost all commitment to "justice for all" and to improving the lives of the poor and the working class, in most other regards. If this weren't enough, the Democratic Party's pandering to illegal immigrants has driven the middle class into the arms of the conservatives and Donald Trump. This election strategy has backfired, big time.
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While the Supreme Court's failure to reach a decision is a setback for President Obama's executive action, it also will be a setback for the Republican Party over time. The failure of Congress to do anything on immigration, led to the president's executive action in the first place.The American born children of these immigrants will remember who fought for them and who fought against. Just as African Americans have stayed loyal to the Democrats, Hispanic voters will look to the Democratic Party as a welcoming place politically. The GOP has had their chances over the last thirty years to embrace the Hispanic communities but chose to go with xenophobia instead.
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At least US immigration policy discourages many people born here from having children.
Unsustainable population is a global problem.
Unsustainable population is a global problem.
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"Rosario Reyes, center, who arrived in this country from El Salvador, vowed to fellow demonstrators that they would take their immigration fight "
Rosario Reyes, who broke U.S. law by entering the country illegally, stood on the steps of the highest court in the land to stick her thumb in the eye of legal immigrants, and every taxpayer who expects that US laws be enforced.
There, fixed it for you.
Heres a question for the open borders crowd, and it is a sincere one.
15 million immigrants who are in the country illegally. How much is enough? How many unskilled foreign language speakers have the "right" to work off book and not pay taxes, demand "free" health care, education, and housing - paid for with money I work very hard to earn?
A second question - why is ZERO focus of the open borders types on changing the law to allow for more LEGAL immigration?
Is it because most American citizens would not want this?
If so - doesn't this mean you don't care about the law, and you don't care about the Will and Consent of the governed?
Those who make impassioned arguments about the "rights" of people who broke the law to come here ought to worry about the death by a thousands cuts being suffered by the concepts of the rule of law, and democracy itself.
Meanwhile, Mexico need not fix its own problems, because they can keep exporting their excess population, even as they guard their southern border with machine guns and razor wite.
Rosario Reyes, who broke U.S. law by entering the country illegally, stood on the steps of the highest court in the land to stick her thumb in the eye of legal immigrants, and every taxpayer who expects that US laws be enforced.
There, fixed it for you.
Heres a question for the open borders crowd, and it is a sincere one.
15 million immigrants who are in the country illegally. How much is enough? How many unskilled foreign language speakers have the "right" to work off book and not pay taxes, demand "free" health care, education, and housing - paid for with money I work very hard to earn?
A second question - why is ZERO focus of the open borders types on changing the law to allow for more LEGAL immigration?
Is it because most American citizens would not want this?
If so - doesn't this mean you don't care about the law, and you don't care about the Will and Consent of the governed?
Those who make impassioned arguments about the "rights" of people who broke the law to come here ought to worry about the death by a thousands cuts being suffered by the concepts of the rule of law, and democracy itself.
Meanwhile, Mexico need not fix its own problems, because they can keep exporting their excess population, even as they guard their southern border with machine guns and razor wite.
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What has your republican dominated congress done these past eight years to curb immigration?
I have watched this case closely. Obviously, Obama consulted legal advisors who predicted he would prevail. Had Scalia survived, those predictions would have been wrong. Even as is, the predictions were overly optimistic. As for the liberal media, it consulted liberal experts and generally reported that there was no viable challenge to Obama's measure. Obviously, the Republicans didn't buy that and they sued -- in a friendly district in Texas. There, the measure suffered a procedural defeat that all Obama's supporters attributed to a biased judge. When the appellate court ruled against Obama, it was also dismissed as biased. The Supreme Court as constituted is pretty balanced. Their failure to authorize Obama's proposal suggests that all the liberal pundits had missed the boat. As I state elsewhere, I don't think that this decision is a disaster at all. But the process is very disturbing. When the President gets bad legal advice and the media misses the boat, I think folks should be held accountable. Getting things right is what they get paid for.
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the original Plan was to obtain commitments to become naturalized Americans, collect fines from those 'illegal' adults, then issue green cards.
Here's a novel idea- their children could sponsor them!
Here's a novel idea- their children could sponsor them!
The ICE system is so corrupt, expensive and denies many foreigners due process. There is so much red tape to become legal, even a national's head would spin. I have had several friends who have been wrung out by this system. I so wish there was less disparagement among people's opinions in this matter. Not all illegals are criminal free-loaders. Most work harder and play more by the rules then many Americans.
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Be honest, limousine liberals don't actually care about immigrants, they care about immediately producing 10,000,000 registered democrats.
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Its no more a Democratic Party prerogative nor responsibility that today's Republicans won't do anything at all for people who aren't corporations or older white men as it is that they would do nothing to resolve our immigration issues.
For the complete debunking of your theory all you needed to do was tune in to the Libertarian Party's town hall on CNN last night. The candidates are well-known, successful ex-Republican Governors who ridicule the Republican approach on the immigration issue and who would offer work visas to undocumented immigrants who have worked here without causing trouble. The 2 party system is a convenient crutch that enables the blatant selling out of the American people by these Republicans. If there were 3 parties / candidates and we had an instant runoff election process, the Congress would immediately turn Democratic and Republicans would come in a distant third place. They wouldn't have the easy crutch of being able to run negative campaigns trying to stoke the anger of naive, ignorant Rush Limbaugh listeners against ordinary Americans, all of whose families (except native Americans) were at some point immigrants to this land.
For the complete debunking of your theory all you needed to do was tune in to the Libertarian Party's town hall on CNN last night. The candidates are well-known, successful ex-Republican Governors who ridicule the Republican approach on the immigration issue and who would offer work visas to undocumented immigrants who have worked here without causing trouble. The 2 party system is a convenient crutch that enables the blatant selling out of the American people by these Republicans. If there were 3 parties / candidates and we had an instant runoff election process, the Congress would immediately turn Democratic and Republicans would come in a distant third place. They wouldn't have the easy crutch of being able to run negative campaigns trying to stoke the anger of naive, ignorant Rush Limbaugh listeners against ordinary Americans, all of whose families (except native Americans) were at some point immigrants to this land.
Dear Ryan,
Sorry but that's kind of silly. Assuming there are ten million illegal immigrants here, which is reasonable, the odds are still likely that the vast majority of them do not speak English at all well, and do not have college educations. People who can't really speak our language and don't have college degrees, generally never vote.
Sorry but that's kind of silly. Assuming there are ten million illegal immigrants here, which is reasonable, the odds are still likely that the vast majority of them do not speak English at all well, and do not have college educations. People who can't really speak our language and don't have college degrees, generally never vote.
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Expansion of executive power, regardless of the cause, is antithetical to democracy. To understand why, just imagine a President Trump.
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Historically and factually wrong. Read the Federalist Papers. Congress is the most dangerous branch of government according to our Founding Fathers. The only time Americans vote democratically as a whole is once every 4 years for the President. Because of Gerrymandering, the House is controlled by Republicans although more folks voted for Democrats in the last election. And no election can change a majority of the Senate because the Constitution requires that elections of Senators be staggered in thirds every 2 years. Voting for the President is the only time that a majority vote by all Americans at one point in time can dictate election results (although that is not even assured because of the electoral college). Doesn't that make it kind of "democratic"?
Silly me. And here I imagined the U.S. Constitution, with its three co-equal branches, reflected the collective intent of the founders more fully than the anonymous writings of Hamilton, Madison and Jay. Given that the aison d'être of the Federalist Papers was promoting ratification of the Constitution, I suspect H. M, and J would agree with me.
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Hugh, just making one point here. The "expansion of executive power" is very much a part of American democracy, and the very ability for Americans to have a democracy. "Co-equal branches" is a meaningless term that is bandied about by right wing politicians and media when they want to argue for legislative supremacy. We have never had that in this country. Think about Washington, Lincoln and FDR and their connection with American democracy.
Instead of spending trillions on futile wars and "nation building" half way around the world with cultures stuck in the stone age, maybe we should focus on making Mexico more attractive for its downtrodden natives. Mexico is a beautiful country, rich culture, natural resources, Christian values ... if ever there was an ideal place for our nation building prowess, it's them.
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Obama knew this was illegal, but he did it to get votes. So you break the law to get votes. I remember a guy named Nixon who did that once. Start impeachment proceedings please.
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@RDD-Please clarify who those voters would be? Citizens entitled to vote can vote for anyone they choose. There is no legislative action or exercise of privilege of office that guarantees that anyone will vote a certain way. Or are you apparently that ill informed?
I know a guy named Bush and a guy named Cheney who did far worse.
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"Start impeachment proceedings please." WHY?
Obama has less-than a year left. :-)
Obama has less-than a year left. :-)
I'm a liberal but no sympathies for Obama or his administration on this one. They had all the time in the world to make a deal or work with congress. His priorities were different then and now this was a hail mary to save his face. I'm a legal immigrant who studied here and have been working for past 6 years legally paying my taxes and I'm yet to be citizen and would not be for another 8-10 years. This is the process and every one has to abide the law.
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For a long time I defended the justices on both sides, hoping and arguing that at least part of their decisions were based on jurisprudence rather than politics. It is too hard to maintain that anymore. At least most of it is politics - and I do believe, had a Republican been president, the votes would have reversed themselves in this and many other cases (not Justice Thomas - many don't like him, but he is truer to his beliefs than the others). Whatever you think about the decision, and chances are good that you have never read the briefs, nor care about the legal arguments except for those which support your side, you can know that half the justices probably feel the same way as you do, that is, how do I want it to come out. It is not good, but apparently the best we are capable of as a country right now.
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The lower court rulings were correct, and I am very relieved the Supreme Court let them stand at least for the time being. The Administration's main argument in this case for having the authority it asserted was apparently language in the 1986 IRCA that granted the Attorney General authority to issue work permits to certain aliens. However, that same legislation, as well as other legislation and previous legal precedent make it clear that this is very limited authority that is intended more for specific individuals with very compelling circumstances as opposed to general categories of aliens. Prior to the current Administration's executive actions, it was mostly used for aliens who had serious medical issues.
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For those comparing the deluge of illegals from Mexico and Central America to the Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans immigrants of a century ago:
1.) Tell us how the current welfare, Medicaid and housing perks stack up to those offered 100 years ago.
2.) Our manufacturing base has been gutted and moved to China, Mexico, Brazil, etc. The low-skill jobs the immigrants took a 80-100 years ago hardly exist.
1.) Tell us how the current welfare, Medicaid and housing perks stack up to those offered 100 years ago.
2.) Our manufacturing base has been gutted and moved to China, Mexico, Brazil, etc. The low-skill jobs the immigrants took a 80-100 years ago hardly exist.
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How any of these states had standing in this case will always be suspect. Except for fishing for a friendly Court- there should have never been a court action. I am beginning to *hate* the Country I love:
Anything [it seems] to protect the Confederacy of America.
Anything [it seems] to protect the Confederacy of America.
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These comments against all illegal immigrants as a whole, with no exceptions, break my heart. I used to be a teen parenting social worker in Texas in the Fort Worth area, and a huge percentage of my caseload were undocumented students. These teens were brought to the United States when they were very young. It was not their decision! And now they have a child, or in some cases multiple children, who are United States citizens. Bad decisions about unsafe sex aside, being in the United States for them is a very hairy predicament. To become citizens they would have to go back to their parents' families in very destitute areas and wait for two years or more to become United States citizens. But their children are American. And in their eyes, they are American. That is all they know. What is to become of them? Or their children? I don't understand those who don't want to understand these types of situations.
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A split decision is hardly a rebuke nor does it provide any convincing evidence on the constitutionality of Obama's action.
One thing is certain, the dysfunctional Congress needs to act on immigration reform.
We also need a Democratic President and a whole lot less obstructionist Republicans in Congress.
As the Trump whirlwind continues to wreak a much needed havoc on Republicans, I predict many more of us will have reason to celebrate in 2017.
One thing is certain, the dysfunctional Congress needs to act on immigration reform.
We also need a Democratic President and a whole lot less obstructionist Republicans in Congress.
As the Trump whirlwind continues to wreak a much needed havoc on Republicans, I predict many more of us will have reason to celebrate in 2017.
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Congress may make laws, but it's up to the executive to carry them out.
The question therefore, at least the one before the Supreme Court, is how much leeway in this particular case Obama has.
Without a tie-breaking justice on the bench, the people of the U.S. don't have an answer to that question, at least not yet. If Clinton wins, Obama's position is going to be upheld, and deportations will continue - frankly, as now - to be selective.
But if Trump wins, from a practical point of view he might order the instant deportation of millions of non-citizens in one fell swoop, but it won't happen.
The question therefore, at least the one before the Supreme Court, is how much leeway in this particular case Obama has.
Without a tie-breaking justice on the bench, the people of the U.S. don't have an answer to that question, at least not yet. If Clinton wins, Obama's position is going to be upheld, and deportations will continue - frankly, as now - to be selective.
But if Trump wins, from a practical point of view he might order the instant deportation of millions of non-citizens in one fell swoop, but it won't happen.
Both sides on the immigration issue to compromise. Americans are reluctant to support another amnesty for illegal immigrants because they know open border advocates will work to thwart efforts to curtail future illegal immigration. In 1986, we granted amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants based on promises that the federal government would stop future illegal immigration. But a tsunami of illegal immigrants quickly pushed the number of people in the country illegally to more than 11 million. Before granting another amnesty, we should take measures to stop future illegal immigration. First, we should enact Congressional legislation that empowers states and cities to aggressively enforce immigration law that mirror federal immigration laws. Second, we should amend or reinterpret the citizenship clause to grant birthright citizenship only to children born to U.S. parents. Third, we should automatically deny asylum to migrants who enter the country unlawfully. Asylum-seekers should apply for asylum at U.S. embassies in their home countries or at legal ports of entry. Once these measures are in place, we should grant citizenship to illegal immigrants enrolled in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program and grant permanent legal resident status to their family members and other illegal immigrants who have established households in the United States.
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This is one of the most sensible arguments here that addresses the concerns of both sides.
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Illegal aliens are not entitled to stay here.
I find that those who are most strongly opposed to illegal aliens are those who have immigrated here LEGALLY.
There are over 190 countries in the world. For those who move out of their countries of origin, there is hardly a shortage of choices.
The United States is not the world's dumping ground. TRUMP 2016
I find that those who are most strongly opposed to illegal aliens are those who have immigrated here LEGALLY.
There are over 190 countries in the world. For those who move out of their countries of origin, there is hardly a shortage of choices.
The United States is not the world's dumping ground. TRUMP 2016
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When a person circumvents the laws put in place to purchase a firearm, they are labeled a criminal.
When a person circumvents the laws put in place to enter The United States of America, they are labeled undocumented.
Black market guns are illegal because the rules and regulations put in place have been circumvented, but immigrants who do the same are not. Why?
When a person circumvents the laws put in place to enter The United States of America, they are labeled undocumented.
Black market guns are illegal because the rules and regulations put in place have been circumvented, but immigrants who do the same are not. Why?
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It occurs to me too, it would have been a good idea to check the ID's of everyone at these pro-illegal immigrant protests. Anyone who wasn't a citizen, and there were doubtless several such, could have had deportation procedures initiated immediately. Citizens have a right to protest, but non-citizens don't.
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Really?
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Hehe sure, really. Deport illegal immigrants whenever it's easy to do, that's my motto.
So 4 voted to uphold the court of appeals' ruling. How would the same 4 vote on the question (if we could get it to them) of the senate's refusal to do its duty to vote on the nomination of Mr. Garland to the supreme court?
Hispanics, who are clearly the most affected by this SCOTUS ruling, should keep it in mind when they go to the polls this November.
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After reading Hillary's response to this decision, it has helped me decide; I will vote for Trump.
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Immigration laws are changed all the time. If my family tried to immigrate to the US about 50 years before, we would have been denied because of the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Immigration laws are not things set in stone handed down in tablets by God like the Ten Commandments. There is a question of whether existing immigration policies should be changed to be more realistic, practical, and just. For example, is it really just to deport people raised in America, lead productive lives here, when they were brought in illegally by their parents as small children? Just dump them in some country where they don't even speak the language or know anyone? All that just so you can say you are being "tough?"
Speaking of "tough," the US has deported more people under the Obama administration than any other. But even Obama sees it's time to re-think things.
Immigration laws are not things set in stone handed down in tablets by God like the Ten Commandments. There is a question of whether existing immigration policies should be changed to be more realistic, practical, and just. For example, is it really just to deport people raised in America, lead productive lives here, when they were brought in illegally by their parents as small children? Just dump them in some country where they don't even speak the language or know anyone? All that just so you can say you are being "tough?"
Speaking of "tough," the US has deported more people under the Obama administration than any other. But even Obama sees it's time to re-think things.
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Every time there is a report or an op-ed on immigration, the comment section is flooded with comments decrying illegals and the fact that they have broken our laws. Fair enough, but the NYT regular commenters seem not to be among these commenters, or when they are, they seem to take a more nuanced approach. I know my observations are not scientific here, but the same thing appears to happen whenever there is an article about Ukraine, and then there is an outpouring of Russophilia that makes one suspect that the commenters are Putin's plants.
I guess one should be happy that so many people who state "I am a Democrat and a liberal, but . . " are reading the NYT, but the vibes feel somewhat suspicious. Folks, this is indeed a topic of some nuance. Half of the states and half of the SC Justices see things differently than the other half, and agree with Obama. The implication is that many people also agree with Obama's analysis and with the need for some order and rationality towards this problem, not some rigid knee-jerk.
I guess one should be happy that so many people who state "I am a Democrat and a liberal, but . . " are reading the NYT, but the vibes feel somewhat suspicious. Folks, this is indeed a topic of some nuance. Half of the states and half of the SC Justices see things differently than the other half, and agree with Obama. The implication is that many people also agree with Obama's analysis and with the need for some order and rationality towards this problem, not some rigid knee-jerk.
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This is one area where a lot of Democrats part company with the official Democratic party line. I'm one of them. Illegal immigration is not good for this country, and it hurts those who are least able to compete in the job market for the jobs illegals take. My brother got his start in the construction industry as a framer back in the 1970's. He doesn't speak Spanish, and back then he didn't have to work for peanuts. Good luck trying to pull that off now. Jobs Americans won't do? Nonsense. Jobs Americans would do if they paid a living wage, as many of them used to.
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" Illegal immigration is not good for this country, and it hurts those who are least able to compete in the job market for the jobs illegals take"
The NYTs has published several articles on the need to find jobs for all of the convicts that it wants to release. If the 11+ million illegal aliens were deported, that would open up at least 6 to 8 million jobs for American citizens including ex-convicts.
The NYTs has published several articles on the need to find jobs for all of the convicts that it wants to release. If the 11+ million illegal aliens were deported, that would open up at least 6 to 8 million jobs for American citizens including ex-convicts.
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Most illegal immigrants would leave on their own if they could not find work. The federal government needs to require every employer to use e-verify to ascertain the legal status of each employee and potential employee. Anyone who employs an illegal immigrant should be heavily fined.
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This is what happens when the chairman of the Senate Judiciary, a right-wing Republican, and the Senate Majority Leader, block a hearing on a nomination to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court. A federal judge from Trxas and Republicaan dominated Court of Appeal get thr last word on presidential action to help families stay together. Now the mother or father, brother or sister, of a native born American citizen can be deported because he or she has not been affordeed a path to citizenship. The State of Texas challenged the President's deferral program on the flimsiest of grounds and lacked standing to bring the suit in the first place. The voters in November will set the record straight and President Clinton will fill the vacancy on the Supreme Court. Chief DC Circuit Judge Garland should be re-nominated to fill the vacancy on the Supreme Court and would, undoubtedly, be confirmed by the full Senate.
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To Obama and his supporters, it really doesn't matter how much they offend my race, racial heritage and me as a Black man in America.
Today the hyperbole is flying faster than pizza dough at Domino's on Super Bowl Sunday. "It wasn't a ruling...it was a deadlock...Obama had to do something...oh great now the undocumented illegals are going to retaliate by voting in November..."
And worst of all, Mr. Obama and his supporters insistence that we are a nation of immigrants.
Perhaps because Obama really isn't Black, he doesn't get it.
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, with a degree in American History and a 13th generation member of my family who were captured and brought to America not as immigrants, but slaves.
But hey, no worries right? Gloss over the millions of African Americans who died in chains. Black youth who will never make it out of poverty because the first jobs they would have gotten are going to undocumented illegals? So what? The disparity in wealth, the record poverty during the Obama Era for African Americans? Big deal. Obama wants amnesty, open borders and to pack this country with ISIS sleeper cells, drug cartels and anyone who shows up.
Thank God we have laws in this country.
Justice Scalia is looking down today and smiling.
Today the hyperbole is flying faster than pizza dough at Domino's on Super Bowl Sunday. "It wasn't a ruling...it was a deadlock...Obama had to do something...oh great now the undocumented illegals are going to retaliate by voting in November..."
And worst of all, Mr. Obama and his supporters insistence that we are a nation of immigrants.
Perhaps because Obama really isn't Black, he doesn't get it.
I am a Black lawyer in Washington DC, with a degree in American History and a 13th generation member of my family who were captured and brought to America not as immigrants, but slaves.
But hey, no worries right? Gloss over the millions of African Americans who died in chains. Black youth who will never make it out of poverty because the first jobs they would have gotten are going to undocumented illegals? So what? The disparity in wealth, the record poverty during the Obama Era for African Americans? Big deal. Obama wants amnesty, open borders and to pack this country with ISIS sleeper cells, drug cartels and anyone who shows up.
Thank God we have laws in this country.
Justice Scalia is looking down today and smiling.
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Wow, a Black racist!
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If the Court had ruled in Obama's favor, that would have increased the President's power to deal unilaterally with the undocumented. And that would have helped a fanatic President Trump to carry out his immigration policy. Those who look on the bright side of things should appreciate that this decision tends to undermine Trump's immigration rants.
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As a liberal who always votes democratic, I'm totally fine with this lack of decision from the broken Supreme Court. Illegal immigrants should be deported, there is no reason to do them favors because they managed to sneak in. It's fine to deport them and instruct them on how to apply for citizenship legally, and if they want to become legal citizens, that's great. But no country in the world tolerates illegal immigrants doing whatever they please, and we shouldn't either.
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Here's a hint: we're pretty much used to right-wingers trying the old "I'm a lib who voteed for Obama twice," bit.
Not convincing in the least.
Not convincing in the least.
Dan,
In all seriousness what you wrote has gotten me and many, many persons called a racist by some very hysterical persons. IT has resulted in icy glares, disinvitations. As a Democratic voter you have an obligation to speak up against the thought tyrants on your side.
In all seriousness what you wrote has gotten me and many, many persons called a racist by some very hysterical persons. IT has resulted in icy glares, disinvitations. As a Democratic voter you have an obligation to speak up against the thought tyrants on your side.
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Dear Robert,
Well your disbelief is unwarranted in this case. I have voted democratic every time I've voted (and that's most years) since 1992. People who have seen my verbose posts in the NYT for the last decade or more can confirm that I'm mostly liberal. I just diverge on some issues, and illegal immigration is one of them. Just like some Republicans actually accept climate change and think evolutionary theory is correct.
Well your disbelief is unwarranted in this case. I have voted democratic every time I've voted (and that's most years) since 1992. People who have seen my verbose posts in the NYT for the last decade or more can confirm that I'm mostly liberal. I just diverge on some issues, and illegal immigration is one of them. Just like some Republicans actually accept climate change and think evolutionary theory is correct.
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As much as I admire the president, and regardless of what other presidents may have done, it doesn't sit well with me to have the Executive Branch making policy under any circumstances. There are three clearly defined branches of government — one to legislate; one, to carry out legislation; and a third, to interpret legislation according to the Constitution when necessary.
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Amazing this was a 4-4 vote. More anger for America on an issue that the law makes clear. There should be no division on this topic. The court put a hold on this discussion until it rears up again with election debate. This is the city on the hill and I am honored that many risk their lives to come here, but respect our foundation of democracy and stop finding the cracks in the wall.
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As the son of immigrants, I feel as though many of the opponents of President Obama's ruling are racially-motivated, as one look at their heritage (sans-Ellis Island, and during America's westward expansion) would reveal cracks in the logic of there being a "legal" immigration. That said, the law is the law, and today, it's clear the law is broken. To fix that law isn't the job of the President: he's tasked with enforcing laws. It's not the job of the judiciary: they're tasked with interpreting the legality of the laws, which they've done. This is the job of Congress, whose ineptitude has reached levels of laziness that mirror the coded language they use to speak ill of immigrants they do not approve of. If we want this circle of inaction to stop, we have to encourage Congress to do their jobs and create a reform that isn't politically or racially biased, that is comprehensive, and that sticks to the letter of acceptance, equality, and pursuit of opportunity America has stood for for nearly 300 years.
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The issue is not racially motivated by either party. The motivation is political in nature. For the democrats, they see a plethora of voters.
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Before Ellis Island, AT Ellis Island and now the law is the same:
The English colony of Massachusetts enacted the earliest American public charge (WELFARE) laws in 1645. The arrival in the colonies of undesirables spurred other colonies to enact similar laws. "By the end of the seventeenth century American colonists were especially reluctant to extend a welcome to impoverished foreigners and the 'Rogues and vagabonds' that England had so graciously decided she could spare."9 Many colonies protected themselves against public charges through such measures as mandatory reporting of ship passengers, immigrant screening and exclusion upon arrival of designated "undesirables," and requiring bonds for potential public charges.
Massachusetts in 1700 kept out the infirm and disabled who had no security against becoming public charges. The law required ship captains to post bonds for "lame, impotent, or infirm" passengers who were "incapable of maintaining themselves." The bond requirement sought to prevent the new arrival from becoming reliant on public relief. Without a bond from the captain, the vessel had to return the person to his home country.
The English colony of Massachusetts enacted the earliest American public charge (WELFARE) laws in 1645. The arrival in the colonies of undesirables spurred other colonies to enact similar laws. "By the end of the seventeenth century American colonists were especially reluctant to extend a welcome to impoverished foreigners and the 'Rogues and vagabonds' that England had so graciously decided she could spare."9 Many colonies protected themselves against public charges through such measures as mandatory reporting of ship passengers, immigrant screening and exclusion upon arrival of designated "undesirables," and requiring bonds for potential public charges.
Massachusetts in 1700 kept out the infirm and disabled who had no security against becoming public charges. The law required ship captains to post bonds for "lame, impotent, or infirm" passengers who were "incapable of maintaining themselves." The bond requirement sought to prevent the new arrival from becoming reliant on public relief. Without a bond from the captain, the vessel had to return the person to his home country.
Exactly right!
Thank goodness! We've become overrun with representatives of a failed culture.
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The citizens of this country narrowly escaped a tragic event for this country, legalizing Illegals via dictatorial means by this President. Now it is up to the citizens to make sure, that the wrongs perpetrated by this President are corrected and reversed. ALL Illegals must be deported and re-enter (if able) LEGALLY. All those aiding and abetting those committing criminal acts, must also pay for THEIR crime. A Clinton Presidency will be disastrous and an extension of this President's agenda. Trump is the only clear choice for those that love this country, are law abiding citizens and that believe in the rule of law. Thank you Supreme Court Judges that stood for the citizens.
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Considering an estimated five million undocumented immigrants will not be shielded from deportation does that mean that now Trump only has to worry about rounding up and deporting six million more before he forces Mexico to build and pay for his "beautiful wall." While it's understandable that our laws need to be followed by everyone, these after all are human beings whose lives will be suddenly torn asunder even if being deported is a consequence of coming here illegally. And I for one, perhaps a lonely one, believe that's what our compassionate president was more concerned about than his legacy. Also, I personally dread the disrespectful cold callus political football Trump is going to turn this critical human issue into. Which means that my mute button is about to get even more a workout than it's getting now.
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It isn't simply "understandable" that our laws, however flawed they are, need to be followed.
They must be honored, or else they'll be seen as mere suggestions.
Borders matter, as well. Cultures, language, and unity matters. Immigrants who can contribute to our economy, speak our language, assimilate into our society, and become Americans should be welcomed with open arms.
However, we do not need yet another angry identity group demanding taxpayer funded favors and discriminatory legal protections.
We don't need more division. We certainly have enough poorer or working class Americans that are struggling, right here, right now, within our own country.
We can't have both a welfare state and open borders, either. We must choose one or the other.
We will dissolve as a nation if millions of us can't speak English. We have enormous debts looming ahead of us for public pension and health care costs - trillions in liabilities - that unskilled, non-English speakers are very unlikely to assist us with.
Nor do we allow our President - and the current one rarely stays from a very strict ideology - to create laws. We have legislatures and judiciaries for that.
They must be honored, or else they'll be seen as mere suggestions.
Borders matter, as well. Cultures, language, and unity matters. Immigrants who can contribute to our economy, speak our language, assimilate into our society, and become Americans should be welcomed with open arms.
However, we do not need yet another angry identity group demanding taxpayer funded favors and discriminatory legal protections.
We don't need more division. We certainly have enough poorer or working class Americans that are struggling, right here, right now, within our own country.
We can't have both a welfare state and open borders, either. We must choose one or the other.
We will dissolve as a nation if millions of us can't speak English. We have enormous debts looming ahead of us for public pension and health care costs - trillions in liabilities - that unskilled, non-English speakers are very unlikely to assist us with.
Nor do we allow our President - and the current one rarely stays from a very strict ideology - to create laws. We have legislatures and judiciaries for that.
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I ran into a childhood friend of mine one day. I told him that my son is living in Washington state and my daughter lives in Alberta. He said he has three kids, and they live in Arizona with their American mother. He lost his right to remain in the US when he and his wife split up. He's been back here in Canada for years and hoping that his children will want to come and visit him here someday.
Why should people residing in the US illegally who have children--yeah, 'anchor babies'- there be given more rights than people who lose their legal status to remain in the country?
Why should people residing in the US illegally who have children--yeah, 'anchor babies'- there be given more rights than people who lose their legal status to remain in the country?
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Your Canadian friend was not allowed to remain in the US with his family and this does not bother you. What bothers you is that Mexicans are. hmmmm.....
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Trump called the tie a "ruling." No matter that he doesn't understand the difference between a tie vote and a "ruling." Neither do his acolytes.
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How can you write a story like this and not even identify which Justices were on which side of the issue? Astounding.
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Because it's obvious, the four conservative judges voted in favor of the appellate ruling, the four liberal judges voted against. Happens almost every time, that these judges vote exactly as the political party would command.
I take your point but I would suggest the reason obvious that the split was along political party lines.
Note I did not say Conservative or Liberal values, beliefs or philosophy or some such, lets call it like it really is Partisan Party affiliations.
Note I did not say Conservative or Liberal values, beliefs or philosophy or some such, lets call it like it really is Partisan Party affiliations.
Because they are not listed anywhere, period. But perhaps you can figure it out for yourself.
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This decision should come as no surprise to anyone who has been following these debates, and who has been listening to the increased amount of anti-immigrant rhetoric being tossed about in the current Presidential campaign.
And then, there is the fact that there's an even amount of presiding Judges in the Supreme Court, and a Republican Congress eager to downplay and distort anything President Obama tries to accomplish.
Without a doubt, some kind of Immigration Reform is necessary, just not this way -- and not with a Wall.
And then, there is the fact that there's an even amount of presiding Judges in the Supreme Court, and a Republican Congress eager to downplay and distort anything President Obama tries to accomplish.
Without a doubt, some kind of Immigration Reform is necessary, just not this way -- and not with a Wall.
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The GOP is in la-la-land if it thinks this is the end of the matter.
How will it end?
With the GOP down for the count.
It may take five years, it may take 10. But the United States of America will understand the cost to all of such brutal political slap-downs.
We are, after all, all children of the Statue of Liberty.
The New Colossus
"Give me your tired, your poor,
"Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
"The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
"Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
"I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
-- Emma Lazaras 1883
Jewish Immigrant
The above poem graces the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.
Yes. We shall overcome.
How will it end?
With the GOP down for the count.
It may take five years, it may take 10. But the United States of America will understand the cost to all of such brutal political slap-downs.
We are, after all, all children of the Statue of Liberty.
The New Colossus
"Give me your tired, your poor,
"Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
"The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
"Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
"I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
-- Emma Lazaras 1883
Jewish Immigrant
The above poem graces the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.
Yes. We shall overcome.
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The separation of powers is pretty important too. And the DCA seemed to agree.
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No, you're wrong. "We" -- referring to all American citizens -- most certainly are not "all children of the Statue of Liberty." Some American citizens are the descendants of people who were living in what is now USA territory long before European settlers arrived and forced them out of their homelands. Never forget that historical truth. To do so is to be woefully ignorant and arrogant.
People who enter the USA illegally break the law. There is no arguing with that basic fact. Let that be the starting point for your discussion of the debate surrounding what to do about illegal immigrants. No one has a right to USA citizenship. Someone who would like to become a USA citizen can go through the proper, lawful procedures in order to do so. Anything less than or other than following those procedures is a violation of the law, not to mention an insult to all of those people from around the world who legally applied for and obtained USA citizenship.
There are several countries to which I would very much like to move and in which I would like to be able to live and work (earn income). I would not think of trying to do so without first applying for the necessary visa that would allow me to enter such a country, establish legal residency there and then go on to find a job there and earn income.
People who enter the USA illegally break the law. There is no arguing with that basic fact. Let that be the starting point for your discussion of the debate surrounding what to do about illegal immigrants. No one has a right to USA citizenship. Someone who would like to become a USA citizen can go through the proper, lawful procedures in order to do so. Anything less than or other than following those procedures is a violation of the law, not to mention an insult to all of those people from around the world who legally applied for and obtained USA citizenship.
There are several countries to which I would very much like to move and in which I would like to be able to live and work (earn income). I would not think of trying to do so without first applying for the necessary visa that would allow me to enter such a country, establish legal residency there and then go on to find a job there and earn income.
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Yes. That was all legal immigration.
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This is just nuts. According to ICE's website, their total number of deportations in 2015 were 235,413, focusing solely on the criminal element of undocumented immigrants, https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics. The total population of undocumented immigrants from our southern border is approximately 11 million and has remained at this level for the past several years despite ICE deportation of up to 400,000 undesirables per year since 2008. We will never deport this population. The Republican Congress is simply unwilling to fund the growth in ICE needed to accomplish the task and doing so would turn us into a police state in any event. Given this is true, it's time for the country to get off the dime and do something besides maintaining an untenable status quo that gives a free pass to human traffickers and slave wage/sweat shop employers.
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If we tell Latinos they will be deported, they will leave. If we keep telling them to come, they will come here. Telling them to leave is better for most people.
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It is notable that Obama is called a legal scholar on "Rule of Law" yet this was his effort to subvert that very principle.
However with Snowden, Obama specifically cited Rule of Law and stated that Snowden should return to face trial.
It is representative of our president, unfortunately, that he chooses when to follow USA Federal laws.
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Mr. Obama had a good case that he was acting in a manner consistent with the rule of law. He was challenged and a case was heard by the Supreme Court, which voted 4-4.
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Doc, yes that is the official "PR positive spin" version after the SC ruling denied Obama's executive action.
Let's not forget, whether you are for or against this, that supreme court decisions are being controlled by the Republicans in the senate by the very act of not letting the President make an appointment to the court. Talk about illegal, unethical, overreach!
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That is their choice. It is part of the separation of powers. If you don't want to live under the Constitution then go someplace else. There are many dictators around looking for toadies.
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Illegal? Please explain. Unethical, one only needs to go back a few years to Chuck Shulmer's "advice and consent" comment. Overreach? How? Obama has been rightfully shot down on this matter. He should learn to compromise and discuss. Sorry, we did not elect a monarch.
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Obama could take them to court if it is illegal, but has chosen not to.
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The Republican President Ronald Reagan famously referred to America as "The shining city on a hill".
What happened since then?
Who turned out the lights darkening that city's soul?
What happened since then?
Who turned out the lights darkening that city's soul?
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To these illegal immigrants: If you entered the country illegally, you should be thankful if your host country does not arrest you immediately and instead you can continue to work and have a decent quality of life "under the radar." Yes, you can work hard or be a valedictorian, but that is no justification for the fact that you are here illegally in the first place while others across the globe, much more competent that you, wait in line for years till they are granted a legal entry, only followed by years of waiting before they can get legal residency or citizenship. Its shocking to see this sense of entitlement by these illegal immigrant protestors.
Obama's policy only perpetuates this sense of entitlement and attracts more illegal immigration-why should I bother to wait in line legally when I can get in illegally and then demand I have rights and protest if they are not granted!. I have voted for Obama twice but on this issue I am in complete disagreement and I am relieved with the court's decision.
I have been in this country for 20 years and a citizen for more than 10 years, despite this, my sibling living in my home country does not even get a visitors' visa to visit me! It will take her more than 10 years to qualify for a sibling category visa-of course legally!
And here we are enabling people to not only enter illegally but also raise a family, and race their way to legalization and citizenship. This is beyond infuriating.
Obama's policy only perpetuates this sense of entitlement and attracts more illegal immigration-why should I bother to wait in line legally when I can get in illegally and then demand I have rights and protest if they are not granted!. I have voted for Obama twice but on this issue I am in complete disagreement and I am relieved with the court's decision.
I have been in this country for 20 years and a citizen for more than 10 years, despite this, my sibling living in my home country does not even get a visitors' visa to visit me! It will take her more than 10 years to qualify for a sibling category visa-of course legally!
And here we are enabling people to not only enter illegally but also raise a family, and race their way to legalization and citizenship. This is beyond infuriating.
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For every valedictorian there are a hundred drug smugglers/dealers.
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You are calling out others for a sense of entitlement while complaining about your sibling's lack of status. This is not about principle. It's about getting yours.
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In addition to illegal aliens not being arrested and to be able to continue working and have a decent life, they also feel enabled to protest at the top of their lungs wherever and whenever they please
No long comment only this:
Elections matter.
Elections matter.
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Finally, the Supreme Court makes the correct decision.
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It did not make a decision let alone a correct one.
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They didn't decide...it went back to the lower court since we don't have the correct number of Justices.
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Why is it so difficult for honest immigrants to either become US citizens or go back home when their visa runs out?
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Perhaps this is an over-reach of executive power. I think, even as an Obama supporter, that it's fair to say that. But there are some truths that the people commenting here don't want to recognize and that must be said. This executive action was taken because of partisan grid-lock and a do-nothing congress. While Congress has done nothing, Obama has deported, returned or removed over 2 million illegal immigrants, which is an enormous number, maybe more than any other president. So while he is offering "amnesty" to the more deserving, he is also ejecting the worst of the violators.
A main concern of people seems to be "fairness", or that is unfair to let someone stay who broke the law when entering. I cannot fathom why people think that this is the most important factor, when our actions and policies (war on drugs, lax gun laws) have produced inhospitable environments back in their home countries, where they are supporting our labor force and economy enormously, and when splitting families up is not only a moral hazard but also likely to produce a next generation problem worse than the current one. But people can't seem to get past this!
Not to mention, unclean hands began long before they crossed the border. As my father (an Egyptian immigrant to the US in 1968) joked to me, "I don't see what Americans are so upset about, they took this land by war, and now the Mexicans are taking it back by peaceful immigration."
A main concern of people seems to be "fairness", or that is unfair to let someone stay who broke the law when entering. I cannot fathom why people think that this is the most important factor, when our actions and policies (war on drugs, lax gun laws) have produced inhospitable environments back in their home countries, where they are supporting our labor force and economy enormously, and when splitting families up is not only a moral hazard but also likely to produce a next generation problem worse than the current one. But people can't seem to get past this!
Not to mention, unclean hands began long before they crossed the border. As my father (an Egyptian immigrant to the US in 1968) joked to me, "I don't see what Americans are so upset about, they took this land by war, and now the Mexicans are taking it back by peaceful immigration."
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Nadia I hear you, but why did Obama pick THIS time to move with an executive order? Obama needs to pick better battles. He didnt have the sentiments of the USA when he chose to stand ground. What did it get him? Failure of vision. Failure to lead. Meanwhile the pointless wars continue under his watch. I'd love to see an executive order happen regarding the wars.
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He picked this time because of the intransigence of Congress. They won't even bring votes to the floor. Regarding the wars, he didn't start them and it's not his job to stop them. You find them pointless? Well, get your keister over there and straighten those fools out.
I think the short answer is at first he hoped that the bipartisan bill that was proposed in 2013 (Rubio and his gang of eight) would go through. It didn't. And he wanted to deliver on a campaign promise (and probable personal belief). So he put DAPA through when it looked hopeless in 2014. It has taken 2 years to come up through the court system, so we are hearing about it now. Not sure this is what you were looking for, but maybe its helpful?
Two significant rulings today. One absolutely awful and destructive of the Constitution imperative for a a color and race blind America, and the other correctly affirming Congress as the originator of our laws. What today's rulings show is that four justices completely adhere to the Democratic party line; they never - never ever -decide against it especially the one who brings "a Latino understanding" that will influence any decision she makes.
The affirmation of the Texas 10% plan is a gross perversion of the Constitution - it is disturbingly wrong on every level - starting with fairness. It's sick, divisive, and ruinous. Folks - expect more of this with HRC as president.
The affirmation of the Texas 10% plan is a gross perversion of the Constitution - it is disturbingly wrong on every level - starting with fairness. It's sick, divisive, and ruinous. Folks - expect more of this with HRC as president.
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What happens if after the November election HRC wins the Presidency, but the Republicans still control the Senate?
I think we are hearing a new Republican rule: only Republicans can nominate supreme court justices -- that's their logical next idea, because Trump is sure not looking like he'll win the election.
I think we are hearing a new Republican rule: only Republicans can nominate supreme court justices -- that's their logical next idea, because Trump is sure not looking like he'll win the election.
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We have had legislative and executive branches controlled by different parties in the past. And we'll have it again.
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So many high horses on the reader's picks today. Even legal immigrants are looking down there nose at less fortunate people than themselves. Meanwhile, undocumented workers who were lucky enough to survive the crossing are working 100 hours a week in order to provide a better for their children.
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You sound quite high up a your own horse looking down on us who expect the laws of the land to be enforced equally.
What would your reaction be if you are standing in a long almost stagnant line for hours upon hours and then you finally get to the entrance only to have a group of people jump in front of you?
Did you ever think about the cost, time and effort of those who chose to obey our laws and immigrate to this country legally? (Just an FYI, not all illegal immigrants are crossing a desert.)
Those "undocumented workers" (pc slang for illegal immigrants) are working 100 hours for slave labor because they know all it takes is a phone call to ICE and they'll be gone. Either that or another illegal immigrant will work 110 hours for a few bucks less and put that other illegal immigrant out of work.
Did you ever think about the children of the people that lost their job to illegal immigrants? How do they now provide a better life for their children when illegal immigrant labor drives down wages?
People that think like you only perpetuate the problem of illegal immigration.
What would your reaction be if you are standing in a long almost stagnant line for hours upon hours and then you finally get to the entrance only to have a group of people jump in front of you?
Did you ever think about the cost, time and effort of those who chose to obey our laws and immigrate to this country legally? (Just an FYI, not all illegal immigrants are crossing a desert.)
Those "undocumented workers" (pc slang for illegal immigrants) are working 100 hours for slave labor because they know all it takes is a phone call to ICE and they'll be gone. Either that or another illegal immigrant will work 110 hours for a few bucks less and put that other illegal immigrant out of work.
Did you ever think about the children of the people that lost their job to illegal immigrants? How do they now provide a better life for their children when illegal immigrant labor drives down wages?
People that think like you only perpetuate the problem of illegal immigration.
This of course is a problem that could easily be resolved by Congress. Oh, wait.
In the meantime I'm not entirely clear on the impact, since the Executive has plenty of discretion on enforcement. The only thing his executive action did was formally label and define what the government would do, and whom it would/would not deport. In the process it gave many people peace of mind. It can continue to do much of it, just without the label and peace of mind.
In the meantime I'm not entirely clear on the impact, since the Executive has plenty of discretion on enforcement. The only thing his executive action did was formally label and define what the government would do, and whom it would/would not deport. In the process it gave many people peace of mind. It can continue to do much of it, just without the label and peace of mind.
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The law is the law going forward and I'm afraid words won't matter much for the next 10 years due to factors outside of ideology and constitutional rights. The immigration need for the US, as well as other developed western developed countries, historically has correlated most to economic expansion where there is in need of mostly physical labor like construction and manufacturing, and also as an exception menial service but labor-intensive jobs like maids and nursing that the mainstream (mostly whites) has a particular disdain for. Thomas Friedman's column "Another Age of Discovery" highlights the impact of technology displacing these kinds of jobs, leaving a large segment of the population permanently unemployed unless they can reinvent vocationally and reeducate themselves and in a dynamic and volatile, data-intensive economy. But if you look at the states that had sued, it's mostly Trump Nation states, states that are doing worse economically. The plight of the immigrants also falls in the same vortex. Personally, I think 5 million is an over-reach. Of those 5 millions, hopefully we can select a few top of the crops, those who had re-invented, re-educated, adapted to the America that is the idea. You are not going to reverse the "Another Age of Discovery," but you can invest in the future with these bright minds and genuine kind heartedness mostly young people. That was the old America formula. These people are already here, and their potential is exponential for years.
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Obama needs to focus more on jobs for natural born citizens and stop parroting a broken unemployment rate amongst many other figures that prove a false economy. We should care about immigrants but I'd rather today's decision had been economy/jobs based since that's the only thing that really matters. We need to start making things and bring industry back to America and stop outsourcing/H1Bs at the source. I understand that Obama's father was an immigrant but this president is far out of touch with the important issues of rent/food/work especially better jobs for college graduates without a 1% parental network.
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Can I just up and move north into Canada illegally then demand that they accept me and my entire family, including parents, to stay permanently and get Canadian citizenship? Use Canada's welfare, medical, education and housing, for myself and family? Methinks these illegals doth protest too much.
No other country, including Mexico, would ever allow this. Why should we?
Deport them, ALL of them.
No other country, including Mexico, would ever allow this. Why should we?
Deport them, ALL of them.
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God bless Texas.
For once, it was correct. You cannot turn illegal immigrants into citizens.
For once, it was correct. You cannot turn illegal immigrants into citizens.
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What we have to realize is the Supreme Court's decision, upholding the lower court's ruling that Obama broke the law is the thread that unravels the entire Obama presidency.
Flashback to Obama's 2015 White House Correspondents' Dinner speech here in Washington DC. I was there, it was one of the 4 that I attended--Obama boasted and bragged about his "list that rhymes with bucket."
This wasn't a joke, America.
(It also wasn't a joke when Obama predicted IRS audits for his critics at the 2011 WHCD--I was there too).
Obama has used his self-declared mastery of the law to skirt it. For years. This isn't the first time Obama broke the law in this manner-issuing dozens of executive orders as "executive actions" to use cheap semantics in avoiding impeachment.
Obama has on at least 9 occasions in the last 7 years, taken action as a one man Congress and POTUS. Today his lawbreaking streak came to an end.
Thankfully.
Mr. Obama, make the rounds on more late night TV shows, go bear hunting in Alaska with a reality show host and leave the White House. The gig is up.
Flashback to Obama's 2015 White House Correspondents' Dinner speech here in Washington DC. I was there, it was one of the 4 that I attended--Obama boasted and bragged about his "list that rhymes with bucket."
This wasn't a joke, America.
(It also wasn't a joke when Obama predicted IRS audits for his critics at the 2011 WHCD--I was there too).
Obama has used his self-declared mastery of the law to skirt it. For years. This isn't the first time Obama broke the law in this manner-issuing dozens of executive orders as "executive actions" to use cheap semantics in avoiding impeachment.
Obama has on at least 9 occasions in the last 7 years, taken action as a one man Congress and POTUS. Today his lawbreaking streak came to an end.
Thankfully.
Mr. Obama, make the rounds on more late night TV shows, go bear hunting in Alaska with a reality show host and leave the White House. The gig is up.
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Oh well. They should have thought of this long before they decided to leave their respective countries and enter the U.S. without following the proper, legal protocols. If 140 million American citizens decided not to file a federal tax return next year- do you think for a second the IRS will simply sit back and give everyone a pass? No way! They would find a way to track all of us down. So 12 million illegal residents can be managed- and not all of them are picking fruits and vegetables either. These are people who are here illegally, not paying their fair share and taking advantage of our limited social services. If you don't want to deport them, then 5 years of mandatory military service, 5 years working with homeless, 5 years community service, 5 years working in hospice care, 5 years doing SOMETHING other than gaming the system.
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Texas clearly lacked standing, and was using the cost of printing ID's as a pretext for their real (philosophical) injury. And the disingenuous focus on the words "lawful presence" simply took the everyday parlance of Immigration Services and twisted it to sound like something other than what everyone gets whose deportation is deferred. Immigrant families will have to wait for the next court. Meanwhile the path to dignity for affected families depends on how well Latino and other minority communities ramp up voter registration and get out the vote for Hillary Clinton.
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No. The fact that Texas wouls have to change its laws already on the books to accommodate this executive action is what created the harm which permitted standing.
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No, actually, we don't know what basis the Supreme Court used because they didn't decide and they issued a mere nine word statement. But the lower court and the injunction were clear that the drivers license thing was the basis for injury.
What we sometimes forget in all this discussion is the moral issue. People who come here illegally are in the vast majority of cases desperate. No jobs, the children go hungry, and their only hope is “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” . Why else would they uproot and take their chances.
We are a caring nation so why can't we accept them.
We are a caring nation so why can't we accept them.
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And yet the Republicans want 'amnesty' for high tech professionals from India and China. There is clearly a double standard here and it smells of racism or classism.
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So the immigration ball bounces back into Congress's hands, which is too busy arguing over not passing any useful laws to do anything. Another important reason to vote for a new Congress this fall.
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The principal reason for this calamity was the Democrats' pushing for a "perfect" solution to the undocumented immigration issue with a "Path to Citizenship," which unfortunately passed in the Senate with a high majority, but then failed in the House, dashing the hopes of millions of Americans who contribute to the society & lead a peaceful hard-working lifestyle. Citizenship clause irked the Republicans, fearing that it would give Democrats that many more votes, in another 15 yrs. or so. But MOST undocumented "citizens" of the US wouldn't mind if they can't vote as long they can legally stay & work here & visit their home country mostly Mexico without any hardship. Some may want citizenship, which is more a matter of pride.
When House disapproved of it, president Obama immediately should have settled for removing the citizenship clause & the House would have approved it. Citizenship part can be worked out at a later date. (Strictly speaking, why should an "illegal" immigrant be granted citizenship at all?)
There are many Canadians in this country who haven't applied for US citizenship. I am an Indian American. I try to buy US made products as much as possible, so do my family. Yet, I didn't apply for citizenship until I lived in this country as long as I lived in India, owing to my loyalty to my country of birth. I am not advocating that for others.
And citizenship part is far less important, if at all, than living here without fear of deportation & harassment.
When House disapproved of it, president Obama immediately should have settled for removing the citizenship clause & the House would have approved it. Citizenship part can be worked out at a later date. (Strictly speaking, why should an "illegal" immigrant be granted citizenship at all?)
There are many Canadians in this country who haven't applied for US citizenship. I am an Indian American. I try to buy US made products as much as possible, so do my family. Yet, I didn't apply for citizenship until I lived in this country as long as I lived in India, owing to my loyalty to my country of birth. I am not advocating that for others.
And citizenship part is far less important, if at all, than living here without fear of deportation & harassment.
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Being rough on immigrants will not make them go away, but it will give their employers and landlords more leverage. If you are working legally, your employer can now choose between you and an illegal he can threaten around. The net result is lower wages and more hours for all.
The President can make choices if a law is ambiguous or underfunded. In this case, the law was both. This decision writes into law what the Republican Congress wanted but could not pass. Partisanship lowers the Supreme Court's stature as an independent, impartial arbiter of the law.
The President can make choices if a law is ambiguous or underfunded. In this case, the law was both. This decision writes into law what the Republican Congress wanted but could not pass. Partisanship lowers the Supreme Court's stature as an independent, impartial arbiter of the law.
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They are not immigrants. They are mostly citizens of Mexico under the delusion they have the right to move here. The sooner they are disabused of this notion, the sooner they will leave.
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There was never anything ambiguous that allows the President to give working authorizations to 7 million illegal aliens. He has prosecutorial discretion as to whether he will deport them or not, but he has no right to make them eligible for federal benefits.
So here we go again with the name calling and allegations of bigotry and racism. If the free press were providing it's role in society, we would be hearing about the tremendous problems now occurring in Germany due to the uncontrolled influx and idiotic liberal positions of Fr. Merkel. Yet all we see are a few puff pieces about how people are playing soccer together.
You cannot be everything to everyone. Obama's legacy will continue to take these hits over the next few years as we start to unwind these executive declarations made outside of the constitutional process.
You cannot be everything to everyone. Obama's legacy will continue to take these hits over the next few years as we start to unwind these executive declarations made outside of the constitutional process.
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I am currently wrapping up my dissertation on the impact of deportation upon families. I have spent three years researching and interviewing families who have been torn apart by deportation. It has been the most difficult research project I have embarked upon to date. The pain families experience is heart-wrenching. There aren't words to describe the impact upon children, spouses, siblings, and parents of deportees. Migration is the way of the world. People have been moving by foot, by boat, by train, by plane for centuries. The xenophobia in this country saddens me to the core. This decision has simply put a fire under me to finish this dissertation sooner than later.
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They are not separated. No one is keeping them here. Let the illegals move home and take their kids with them. Modern nations have borders and immigration laws. It is hard xenophobia to enforce such laws.
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The research shows that most migrants leave their home countries unwillingly. They leave due to unemployment, hunger, violence, or other factors that make living in those countries impossible. If you read about the current state of affairs in departure countries, you might understand a bit more the reasons people have for leaving. Additionally, this was deferred deportation, not citizenship or legalization. It was to provide an opportunity for people to work temporarily and legally. Most undocumented migrants already work two to three jobs to pay rent, purchase food, and support their families. I disagree, it is separation in the vilest form. Furthermore, it absolutely stems from xenophobia.
Illegal is illegal, I wouldn't expect other countries to allow me to enter their countries without legal documentation and not abide by their laws. I voted for President Obama twice, but enough is enough, and no one person should have the power to ignore our laws and our own citizen's rights. I support legal immigration not illegal ... it's no brainer for me.
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There is no havoc by separating these families. They put themselves in this situation when they entered our nation illegally. Frankly each one should be considered for deportation as impractical as it sounds. If you are here illegally you are a criminal and nothing more. Obama and the democrats want to do nothing but secure the Latino vote. It's disgraceful.
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The article states that the undocumented individuals that entered our nation illegally now plan to take their fight to the ballot box. A non-citizen can not and should not be allowed to vote. Republican efforts against so-called voter fraud in the past were just a pretext for illegal voter suppression in democratic urban areas. Today's Supreme Court decision and the announcement by illegal advocacy groups and their leaders to take the fight to the ballot box in November makes voter fraud a clear and present risk. All americans should be concerned and demand federal resources be dedicated to prevent non-citizens from subverting the outcome of the November election. I plan to vote democrat this November, but I'm also an American that believes in the rule of law and fairness. Disclosure: I supported Bernie Sanders.
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I suspect that if the State of California actually looked for voter fraud, it would find plenty of it.
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Studies show that roughly half of all Mexicans would move here if we let them. Given that such people do not speak English or have the kind of education and English fluency that would allow them to succeed here, one can only hope this sends a message that they are not wanted or welcomed here.
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As a practical matter, I'm just asking, how - physically - will these deportations be accomplished?
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The most important task for our nation is deterring future illegal entry...so the federal agencies responsible for enforcing our immigration laws must begin deportations and publicizes their efforts. Of course, our nation must dedicate resource to stop illegal entry. I do think that a road to citizenship should be available for individuals residing and working here for more than 10 years.
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Once we put the word out, they'll probably start leaving. This is what happened in places such as Arizona. Why do you think it won't happen on a national level as well? It's certainly cheaper than telling millions of unskilled Latinos they can move here.
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Given that it's impossible to deport all the immigrants who are here without proper authorization, it seemed to me that President Obama's decision to focus on deporting the least desirable people, the criminals and those without family ties to this country seemed like the best pragmatic plan for dealing with a complex situation. The decision to keep those whom we all know will never be deported in an underground/illegal status seems both mean spirited and counterproductive. This decision forces such people to continue working in undocumented jobs, provided by unscrupulous people bent on illegally exploiting workers, paying slave wages and even engaging in human trafficking, and yet I see no legislation that seeks to prosecute them for these actions. Shame on us.
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ICE releases about 20,000 criminally convicted illegal aliens back into society every year while they await deportations that too often never come.
20,000 convicted criminals. Every year. Start there.
20,000 convicted criminals. Every year. Start there.
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Come on, where is that "Yes, we can!" attitude? Many people would have said it was impossible to create a mandate and a system for providing health insurance coverage to all Americans. And now we have millions of Amercians receiving billions in subsidies. Don't sell our country short: we can accomplish almost any goal we want to. The trick is getting us to want to... So, maybe shame on us for not being motivated enough to carry exercise the law?
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Justice has been served. The overreaching of any President has been effectively stopped by this SCOTUS action. This is a reminder how important it is to elect a President who will obey the laws and enforce the laws and NOT write laws. When you vote for President, consider how this might have gone with a ninth Justice would would condone Presidential overreaching.
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I never really cared about illegal immigration until I started reading the comments form Times articles and was shocked at how much I as a Northeasterner don't know. To me illegals are barbacks, servers, busboys.
But liberals have taken yet another situation to browbeat people who try to discuss various concerns, and to accuse them of "racism"; being a "right wing nut job," etc. It's tiresome and unhelpful but liberals get away with it because big media is full of them.
Basically, Obama and the liberals are destroying this country but that is nothing new to those of us who are smart.
But liberals have taken yet another situation to browbeat people who try to discuss various concerns, and to accuse them of "racism"; being a "right wing nut job," etc. It's tiresome and unhelpful but liberals get away with it because big media is full of them.
Basically, Obama and the liberals are destroying this country but that is nothing new to those of us who are smart.
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Very insightful post. I'm disappointed in the Left these days. In former times, they wouls actually engage your argument and bring support for their ideas. Now, they just seek to squelch dissent. It's a sad day when a large group of people in our country prove so intolerant of their fellows citizens that they seek to deprive their opponents of their rights as a mattee of their own convenience. Sure. Mock someone. Argue with them. Deride them, even. But laws, policies, and activism that seek to restrict speech based on depriving someone of either their freedom or their livelihood? That's unconscionable.
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Reality check nothing last forever including this attemp to freedom for all ,enjoy it while last end is near
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If you're adversely affected by this decision, vote for Hillary in November. It's the most effective action you can take in the near term.
If you're adversely affected by this decision, you're probably an illegal immigrant and you can't vote anyway. So my advice would be, immigrate legally next time.
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If you are personally adversely affected then as a non citizen you cannot be voting - am I missing something here.
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If your statement is addressed to illegal immigrants, they are not supposed be voting.
If your statement is addressed to employers of illegal immigrants, such people could be employing American citizens or legal immigrants. The official unemployment rate is low because it does not count all of the people (primarily young adults in the prime of life) who have been so discouraged about finding work that they have stopped looking. An unemployed citizen or legal resident needs government services (which we all pay for) and is more likely to have a troubled family life. The latter is detrimental to society.
If you are employing an illegal immigrant, we taxpayers are also paying for all of the many government services used by this person and his or her family.
People who employ illegal immigrants do not care about the rest of society.
If your statement is addressed to employers of illegal immigrants, such people could be employing American citizens or legal immigrants. The official unemployment rate is low because it does not count all of the people (primarily young adults in the prime of life) who have been so discouraged about finding work that they have stopped looking. An unemployed citizen or legal resident needs government services (which we all pay for) and is more likely to have a troubled family life. The latter is detrimental to society.
If you are employing an illegal immigrant, we taxpayers are also paying for all of the many government services used by this person and his or her family.
People who employ illegal immigrants do not care about the rest of society.
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I blame the ruling classes for this one. This is not a new problem for the United States but for decades the power that be let the issue drift. Democrats would not move without a generous immigration plan for Latinos; Republicans winked at the problem as long as a steady suuply of cheap labor continued to arrive. Meanwhile, large sections of the country and economy were being abandoned to their fates. Then bingo! Along comes the Tea Party and Donald Trump.
This country is entitled to have borders. It is entitled to have a fair and rational immigration system. In this vacuum of little Congressional action, we get SC decisions like today's. All which means little or no progress.
I don't really fault Obama on his efforts. He was trying to address a huge administrative problem with no help from Congress. Republicans only seem to offer the mass deportation of 11 million individuals. That should work well. Think of the news ratings as we round-up each and every soul.
This country is entitled to have borders. It is entitled to have a fair and rational immigration system. In this vacuum of little Congressional action, we get SC decisions like today's. All which means little or no progress.
I don't really fault Obama on his efforts. He was trying to address a huge administrative problem with no help from Congress. Republicans only seem to offer the mass deportation of 11 million individuals. That should work well. Think of the news ratings as we round-up each and every soul.
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I agree with the decision. I am a supporter of this president. I think he has done a good job over the last 8 years and I can only hope that we can have the same level headed intelligent leader he has come to be. He took a very bad situation and has made things better. This particular EO was a reach and the SC was astute in seeing that. However, building a wall is just absolutely NOT what America is about. We believe in the rule of law of course. But I also believe we are a good society that prefers to build bridges and not walls. As a society of immigrants we should be striving to keeping the relationships open and the communication alive.
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There's a legit debate to be had, regarding the general limits of executive authority and this exec order from the President in particular, as this tied "decision," and the bipartisan nature of the people and organizations that broight this suit shows.
It's unfortunate that a great deal of pretty-crazy and extremely ignorant right-wing screeching, together with some left-wing pomposity and confusion about the diff between what's right and what the law says, makes that legit debate so difficult.
It's unfortunate that a great deal of pretty-crazy and extremely ignorant right-wing screeching, together with some left-wing pomposity and confusion about the diff between what's right and what the law says, makes that legit debate so difficult.
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While many will not agree with the Court's decision, it did serve its purpose of "checks and balances". The Congress, nit the President, controls immigration. That is, in creating laws related to immigration.
For 11 million people, they are now back in limbo. They see it as being unfair to them. They have their reasons fro coming to the Us, and not doing so legally.
From a practical standpoint, the US cannot just round up millions of people and send them out of the country. The cost of doing so would be too high. But, it is the job of Congress to fix this problem. And political grand standing, rhetoric, is not going to have the problem go away.
Personally, I think Mr. Obama's plan had merit. It helped to solve a huge problem. But, he did overstep his authority; unfortunately.
Considering out presidential nominees are as just distant, as Congress is, do not expect a solution any time soon. Just add it to the long list of paying six digit salaries that blow hot air and spend their time raising money for their party and for their next campaign.
For 11 million people, they are now back in limbo. They see it as being unfair to them. They have their reasons fro coming to the Us, and not doing so legally.
From a practical standpoint, the US cannot just round up millions of people and send them out of the country. The cost of doing so would be too high. But, it is the job of Congress to fix this problem. And political grand standing, rhetoric, is not going to have the problem go away.
Personally, I think Mr. Obama's plan had merit. It helped to solve a huge problem. But, he did overstep his authority; unfortunately.
Considering out presidential nominees are as just distant, as Congress is, do not expect a solution any time soon. Just add it to the long list of paying six digit salaries that blow hot air and spend their time raising money for their party and for their next campaign.
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"The Congress, nit the President, controls immigration. That is, in creating laws related to immigration."
Actually, there are Supreme Court cases discussing how immigration is part of "plenary powers" of the executive branch. There are also a lot of statutes that Congress has passed in the past that delegated powers controlling immigration to the executive.
Actually, there are Supreme Court cases discussing how immigration is part of "plenary powers" of the executive branch. There are also a lot of statutes that Congress has passed in the past that delegated powers controlling immigration to the executive.
4-4 tie is not a ruling. It's a stalemate. There is no victory for anyone here. Just means that absolutely NOTHING and I mean NOTHING will ever change with regards to our immigration problems. Congress does NOTHING, SCOTUS does NOTHING. POTUS tries to do SOMETHING and gets labelled all sorts of dictatorial abuse of power names for merely prioritizing immigration resources until Congress does SOMETHING more than NOTHING.
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That is precisely the issue. The president does not have the authority to make law...no matter how frustrated he gets by the refusal of Congress to act.
I think you should read the Constitution.
Despite the assertions in many of the comments, this case had nothing to do with citizenship, legal status, amnesty etc. The only issue was the President's authority to defer resolution of the status of the individuals involved. Both the plaintiff-states and lower courts agreed the President had the power to do so.
There was no dispute about that. However, on the speculative argument that the states involved are somehow sufficiently damaged/aggrieved as a result of the President's action, four justices sided with the majority in the Court of Appeals. If there were ever an example of unbridled judicial activism by the four remaining conservatives on the Court, this is it.
There was no dispute about that. However, on the speculative argument that the states involved are somehow sufficiently damaged/aggrieved as a result of the President's action, four justices sided with the majority in the Court of Appeals. If there were ever an example of unbridled judicial activism by the four remaining conservatives on the Court, this is it.
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Is this the first time in American history that there could be the wholesale roundup and deportation of undocumented immigrants?
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Not unless Congress votes to authorize the necessary resources.
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Many people are advocating the confiscation of certain kinds of guns as well. That too is unprecedented. We have to change for the good of the country and what is right for American citizens.
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No. Eisenhower did it. No reason we can't do the same. Mexicans can go home. Mexico is perfectly nice place. The majority of illegals are Mexican, speak the language there and should have no problem going home where they belong.
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Does no one else recognize that many of the people who are fleeing Latin America are fleeing circumstances created, in part, by the American government's involvement/meddling with Latin American government and economic structures and policies over the past century? Look up the histories of banana republics and the US government's involvement. Tell me that we aren't in part to blame for the circumstance many of these people face in those nations today.
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How is America's fault that Mexico has not figured out how to build working water treatment and sewage systems yet?
If we take your argument to its limit almost the entire planet should feel entitled to move to the US. We can't have that. Unfortunately today's decision won't reverse this, as the current President has made it clear he has little interest in interior detection and removal of illegal aliens. But he can't go beyond discretion and grant illegal immigrants legal status and work permits. That's under Congress' purview, not the President's.
If we take your argument to its limit almost the entire planet should feel entitled to move to the US. We can't have that. Unfortunately today's decision won't reverse this, as the current President has made it clear he has little interest in interior detection and removal of illegal aliens. But he can't go beyond discretion and grant illegal immigrants legal status and work permits. That's under Congress' purview, not the President's.
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Nonsense. Those areas would be a mess as a result of Catholic policies that encourage overbreeding, mindless religiousity and undereducation.
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Mr. Obama wanted another 'legacy' pin on his suit - sorry, you're not getting this one. Right or wrong, Congress makes the decision, you don't.
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Congress has done NOTHING absolutely NOTHING towards making a decision or creating enough of a bill to even vote on it. Since 2010 this Congress is determine to pass NOTHING that might mean some progress on this or a number of other needed issues. That the President created a stopgap measure until they actual DO do something is completely appropriate.
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Interesting point, but entirely irrelevant. No matter how frustrated you and the president get about the inaction of Congress, neither you nor he has the right to make laws or nullify the laws we have.
The Democrat controlled Congress did not pass a budget for the first 6 years of the ones time in office. Did you complain about that? Doubtful.
It does not matter what he did, it matters that he did not have the authority to do it.
It does not matter what he did, it matters that he did not have the authority to do it.
Reagan and Bush had more executive orders and Reagan and Bush 1 legalized millions.
But yet when President Obama tries to do the same, Republicans cry crocodile tears about a Constitution that concerns them when Democrats are President but not when their own party is in control.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the changing demographics in this country. It's just a big fat coicidence that their nominee, who employees illegal immigrants everywhere from Dumbo to Dubai, calls a judge born in Indiana "a Mexican."
As for those us who do not vote on race, we can rest assured that President Clinton will replace Scalia with a liberal- hopefully President Obama himself. And that we can then even get the Court and Congress back to where Reagan was, which thanks to the tea party lunatics is somewhere to the left.
But yet when President Obama tries to do the same, Republicans cry crocodile tears about a Constitution that concerns them when Democrats are President but not when their own party is in control.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the changing demographics in this country. It's just a big fat coicidence that their nominee, who employees illegal immigrants everywhere from Dumbo to Dubai, calls a judge born in Indiana "a Mexican."
As for those us who do not vote on race, we can rest assured that President Clinton will replace Scalia with a liberal- hopefully President Obama himself. And that we can then even get the Court and Congress back to where Reagan was, which thanks to the tea party lunatics is somewhere to the left.
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I concede the number of Reagan and Bush executive actions, but did they use the executive actions in the same way?
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A victory for the American Presidential system. Demonstrative that the rule of law still obtains and will be maintained despite the myopic desire of Mr. Obama to advance the liberal agenda at all costs, isolating so many while claiming to be expansively inclusive of all. Tired of this man, his destructive, utterly misguided agenda. *applauding the SCOTUS*
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Did not know we have so many FOX news viewers reading NYT. I'm tired and weary of the hate, fear mongering, and devisive/toxic remarks spewed by Republicans. They have spent the past seven years unsuccesfully trying to undermine The President a terrble expense. Can't wait to see how they will double down after Hilary is sworn in as Commander-In-Chief! Republicans have showed how racially prejudice they are.... Now we are about to witness the misogynistic side of the GOP.
As a first generation immigrant, I have great empathy for all immigrants, regardless of status. We have to solve this problem. Our nation is founded on immigrants; immigrants continue to drive America to greater heights and create more opportunity for all. It is a sad reflection of the state of politics that there is no talk of a solution
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This is a victory for all foreigners who come to live in the United States of America through the legal immigration process.
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I used to be more open minded, but seeing illegal immigrants' huge sense of entitlement and downright arrogance, along with rubbing our nose in their 'ha ha' and 'tude better than everyone else, has totally soured me. I want them out and will probably vote for Trump only because he is the only one who sees them as a problem. The people who don't want to differentiate between people who have snuck into this country illegally and also all their children, and those who have gone through the process legally are missing an important point. The illegals feel they deserve all the rights of those here legally and even more with hefty scholarships, etc. that many deserving people here have been cheated out of. They have taken good jobs from people who need them. They know they can thumb their nose at the law and be rewarded, and it continues. Good bye and good riddens!
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Your statements are totally devoid of reality. Name a single good job going to someone undocumented. They do the work you would never dream of doing.
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Americans need to start paying attention to the insidious politics that take place to promote the agendas of the people that really control this country - the wealthy - by way of the Republican party. If Obama had been able to seat a new Justice this would not have happened - and the Republican party knows this. The suggestion that Obama has abused his executive orders power is absurd. Reagan, George W., and many others issued far more executive orders during their presidencies. Americans need to equip ourselves with knowledge. Also, do your research on when all these "illegal immigrants" were allowed into this country...? Most while George W. Bush was president. It is fundamentally unfair to court immigrants to this country for cheap labor - the housing boom - and now want to vilify them for political expediency when it benefits you.
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I have to admit....while I agree with Obamas idea, I just cannot continence the fact that the President attempted to essentially implement legislation the Congress never voted on.
This ruling is a win for people who believe in a weak Executive branch. I for one believe strongly that the President should not be able to make laws without Congress voting on them. If this was allowed by the SC, then I think someone like Trump would be more likely to be able to bar all refugees from entering the country, or Hillary could suddenly create a law that gives full citizenship to illegal immigrants.
We need Congress to step up and reform immigration in a balance way. Enforce the laws we currently have, close down and secure the borders, write laws that clamp down on businesses employing illegal immigrants, and allow all illegal immigrants (undocumented immigrants is such a horrible liberal wording, these people broke the law so they are illegal) currently here to stay, but not get the benefits of citizenship without paying major fines. I think that's a good bipartisan immigration agenda that's balanced and fair. Now we need Congress to get to it!
This ruling is a win for people who believe in a weak Executive branch. I for one believe strongly that the President should not be able to make laws without Congress voting on them. If this was allowed by the SC, then I think someone like Trump would be more likely to be able to bar all refugees from entering the country, or Hillary could suddenly create a law that gives full citizenship to illegal immigrants.
We need Congress to step up and reform immigration in a balance way. Enforce the laws we currently have, close down and secure the borders, write laws that clamp down on businesses employing illegal immigrants, and allow all illegal immigrants (undocumented immigrants is such a horrible liberal wording, these people broke the law so they are illegal) currently here to stay, but not get the benefits of citizenship without paying major fines. I think that's a good bipartisan immigration agenda that's balanced and fair. Now we need Congress to get to it!
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This was an important ruling or non ruling for our form of government. Obama because of his arrogance and his inability to work with the opposition was dangerously close to destroying the separation of powers that the Founders put in place. This is his legacy that all will remember. Even though we all know that doing away with our immigration laws is nothing more than an attempt by the democrats to pad their voting roles. This is one more example of why Obama was such a mistake. But he will get a fancy house in DC while the middle class evaporates under his incompetent watch!
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"dangerously close to destroying the separation of powers"....So how come the ruling was 4 to 4?
How do you write an article about a major Supreme Court decision without saying how each Justice voted?
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Good. No rewards for law breakers. If you can't immigrate legally, then don't come here at all. No one has an inherent right to move here when we say no.
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Thanks for schooling the constitutional law professor in the White House! Well done Supreme Court....well done.
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Obama has had more 9-0 slapdowns from the Supreme Court than any other president I believe.... I lost count at 13 cases....
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No ruling. A tie. 4 – 4. It is obviously not as clear-cut as all of the critics of this executive order maintain. The certainty of so many of the commentators puzzles me. The question is unresolved, except in the minds of two appellate judges in the Fifth Circuit. It will almost certainly be revisited next year. What a waste of judicial time and resources.
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It's pretty sad that the Supreme Court and all other federal judges vote on the basis of their politics. Obama has tried to use executive action as a run around to establish his own immigration system. That is the job of the congress, as stipulated in the Constitution. The judges should rules on the LAW and not their own political persuasion.
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This works best for the democrats as they'd rather have this as an election issue to beat up on republicans rather than actually resolve it, proven, of course, by the fact that Obama promised to do something about it within a year of getting elected when he had control of both Houses. What a joke, including republicans inability to come up with an alternative.
And from the protesters view, I guess the easiest path to US citizenship is simply have your baby born here, then the parents are home free! Pretty tough to accept that notion...
And from the protesters view, I guess the easiest path to US citizenship is simply have your baby born here, then the parents are home free! Pretty tough to accept that notion...
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Most of the people commenting on the ruling have a complete misunderstanding of the Obama executive order. It did not give legal status to anyone; neither did it give anyone who entered the country illegally the right to stay. Given the reality that there are about 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. today, and the executive branch only has the resources to deport about 400,000 annually. What the executive order did was to establish an order in which deportation would proceed (which 400,000 would be deported first and which 400,000 would be deported last). Recognizing that it would be a long time if ever to reach the end of the line, the executive order gave those at the end of the line an opportunity to come out of the shadows and work legally while they waited their turn to be deported. Because the ruling was a 4 to 4 tie, the Supreme Court did not make a decision on the legality of the executive order. It would be really nice if people spent the time to understand what they are commenting on.
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Exactly. All these people decrying Obama for setting himself up as a dictator or king totally miss the point. His action was meant to give authorities the latitude to deport the criminal types first, and spend less resources on ferreting out those who might be better citizens or at least legal residents sometime in the future. Also, by granting them TEMPORARY legal status, the government could be aware of who is actually here, who they are and what they are doing here. As legal workers, they cannot be exploited for substandard wages/conditions and must compete for jobs on a level playing field with actual citizens looking for work.
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The problem is, W.A., that the media doesn't report the facts as you just reported them. You can read all kinds of articles about this story and never really get the facts in detail. That's the problem. If we all did get the facts, we would probably be far less polarized than we are. We would appreciate the fact that the issues are more gray than they are black and white. But media websites might get fewer clicks.
What Obama's executive order "did" was break the law, specifically Article I, Section VIII of the Constitution of the United States.
Because the ruling was 4-4 the previous ruling, finding Obama's actions illegal stands. As the final decision. The lower court's determination that Obama's amnesty grab was illegal is the final decision on this.
It would be even nicer if "people" who claim to understand the law would defer to those of us who practice it.
Because the ruling was 4-4 the previous ruling, finding Obama's actions illegal stands. As the final decision. The lower court's determination that Obama's amnesty grab was illegal is the final decision on this.
It would be even nicer if "people" who claim to understand the law would defer to those of us who practice it.
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Mexico and many Central American countries are ruled largely by oligarchs who do not want to trouble themselves with their fellow citizens. The oligarchs want to continue their monopolies that stranglehold their countries’ economies, and they do not want taxes raised to educate or otherwise improve the lot of their country’s peasants. (The average adult in Mexico has no more than a 6th grade education.) It is far cheaper and easier for the to encourage illegal immigration to the U.S.
Several large American philanthropies have been organizing the Mexican and Central American peasants, who have been living here illegally, to demand rights from our government. Wouldn’t it be better, for all concerned, if these philanthropies would instead organize these people to go home and make demands of their own governments? We could help them by contributing what our federal government spends on them in one year.
The people who have been living here, illegally, now know what life could be like if they would organize to change their own governments. In a sense, they have been like “exchange students” who learn about life in another country. They have learned what is possible so they can organize to go home and make the possible happen.
Otherwise, virtually the entire populations of Mexico and certain Central American countries will be moving here.
Several large American philanthropies have been organizing the Mexican and Central American peasants, who have been living here illegally, to demand rights from our government. Wouldn’t it be better, for all concerned, if these philanthropies would instead organize these people to go home and make demands of their own governments? We could help them by contributing what our federal government spends on them in one year.
The people who have been living here, illegally, now know what life could be like if they would organize to change their own governments. In a sense, they have been like “exchange students” who learn about life in another country. They have learned what is possible so they can organize to go home and make the possible happen.
Otherwise, virtually the entire populations of Mexico and certain Central American countries will be moving here.
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Or, we could demand that our government craft trade agreements like the EU does that requires member nations of free trade zones to establish democratic institutions and processes, so that brutal oligarchies such as exist in Honduras and El Salvador couldn't exist.
Great comment.
Commenters on this story who oppose Obama's immigration action are routinely derided as "racist" or "xenophobic" - yet the ACTUAL racists - those Mexican and Central American elites who are of overwhelmingly European origin, and who actively disenfranchise their mostly indigenous American poor populations in those countries - magically escape any scrutiny or criticism.
Instead, the working and middle class U.S. citizens, who are expected to provide subsidized housing and other welfare benefits to those poor CA and Mexican populations that illegally immigrate here, are deemed to be the racists.
Commenters on this story who oppose Obama's immigration action are routinely derided as "racist" or "xenophobic" - yet the ACTUAL racists - those Mexican and Central American elites who are of overwhelmingly European origin, and who actively disenfranchise their mostly indigenous American poor populations in those countries - magically escape any scrutiny or criticism.
Instead, the working and middle class U.S. citizens, who are expected to provide subsidized housing and other welfare benefits to those poor CA and Mexican populations that illegally immigrate here, are deemed to be the racists.
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"Otherwise, virtually the entire populations of Mexico and certain Central American countries will be moving here."
As an alternative, the US could just incorporate Mexico and those certain Central American countries bringing the US one step closer to the 1900 saying that in 2000 the US would extend from Cape Barrow, Alaska to Cape Horn.
As an alternative, the US could just incorporate Mexico and those certain Central American countries bringing the US one step closer to the 1900 saying that in 2000 the US would extend from Cape Barrow, Alaska to Cape Horn.
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It is amazing how one can never do the right thing in this country.
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The right thing is not amnesty for Latinos and their excessive population and permission to break our laws and make life harder for our own nationals.
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Exactly!
That's why so many people support Donald Trump. He would do the right thing,
which is to enforce the employment laws which require legal residence.
The President has the power to do that. This would make "deportation",
as a legal proceeding, unnecessary for most illegal aliens. He also does
have to power to not deport individuals if he or his designate deems
them (individuals, not groups) useful to keep.
That's why so many people support Donald Trump. He would do the right thing,
which is to enforce the employment laws which require legal residence.
The President has the power to do that. This would make "deportation",
as a legal proceeding, unnecessary for most illegal aliens. He also does
have to power to not deport individuals if he or his designate deems
them (individuals, not groups) useful to keep.
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Indeed, Donald Trump tried to give $6 million to the Veterans, and was shouted down for it. Democrats never learned not to look a gift horse in the mouth since of course, a gift horse is by definition "racist" and "a 1% horse," etc. Giddy up, Rosinante!
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The tragedy here is not for President Obama's political legacy; it is for the millions of people the President had hoped his legacy would de-victimize. Thank you GOP. Thank you Supreme Court. Congratulations! By your obsession to poke Obama in the eye, you're doing your bit to make America great again.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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You're welcome!
Sincerely,
The Constitution
Sincerely,
The Constitution
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Being against illegal immigration is not being against immigration.
Legal immigrants have obeyed the law, continue to obey the law and follow procedures that onerous and costly.
Illegal immigrants try to bend the law to their will and solely to their benefit, regardless of consequences to anyone else.
Illegal immigration supporters are completely ignorant of the far reaching repercussions of illegal immigration.
Legal immigrants have obeyed the law, continue to obey the law and follow procedures that onerous and costly.
Illegal immigrants try to bend the law to their will and solely to their benefit, regardless of consequences to anyone else.
Illegal immigration supporters are completely ignorant of the far reaching repercussions of illegal immigration.
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This is why I love Evangeline!
Preach gorgeous!
Preach gorgeous!
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Over the last years, projections have been made estimating a majority of Hispanics making up the American population in the future. That is probably what gave rise to a xenophobic tribal following that has escalated into a full blown immigration anger now realized in the fervent bigotry of the Republican Presidential candidate clearly evidenced by his remarkable following. It also most likely gave rise to this legal challenge. This challenge is merely bigotry wrapped in law by bigoted leaders elected by a bigoted public. At other times, it was the Irish, Italians, Blacks etc. Now it is the Hispanics. Unfortunately, we humans are still tribal animals.
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The only tribalism are Latinos who expect special race based laws here in America. It amazes me that we're to be criticized for our failure to bend to their racist demands.
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The Cat In The Hat..................
You can't even be honest with yourself.
You can't even be honest with yourself.
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Now Trump can send them all back to Mexico and leave their children in foster homes. Hotels can put a note on each reservation: Maid service unavailable. Bring your own towels and cleaning supplies. Be prepared to sleep on dirty sheets and make your own beds. Enjoy your stay.
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Why can't the children -- in their 40s by now -- accompany their parents back to their countries of origin? One happily family, si?
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Without commenting on the justice or injustice of any side of the issue, it is possible for anyone who decides to return to his or her native country to take their children with them. They need not be left here in foster homes.
I suppose Americans can't work as maids in hotels then, is that right?
I suppose Americans can't work as maids in hotels then, is that right?
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I've met Caucasians who work as maids in many hotels and motels. An aberration?
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I am a democrat but it really bothers me that the party is held captive by the illegal immigrant lobby. Yes, many of these folks are peaceful and law abiding, but they are here illegal and no-one is doing anything about it. Overt lawlessness is not the American way.
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I voted for President Obama both times, and really wish I could again, but on this particular issue I don't agree with him.
I would not expect to enter a foreign country, unlawfully overstay a visa, for whatever reason, and then be granted a work permit.
I would not expect to enter a foreign country, unlawfully overstay a visa, for whatever reason, and then be granted a work permit.
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I'm unclear how this "tears apart families." Parents can take their dual-citizen children back to wherever the parent came from. When the child is old enough they can take advantage of that dual-citizenship and move to the United States by themselves as the law permits.
This is a foreseeable consequence of having a child in the United States if you are not a citizen. Nobody's to blame but the non-citizen parent(s).
This is a foreseeable consequence of having a child in the United States if you are not a citizen. Nobody's to blame but the non-citizen parent(s).
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I agree, the parents don't want to be held accountable for their illegal actions. They decided to have their children and then try and make everyone else responsible for their decisions. Time for accountability.
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I'm a flaming liberal on every issue except illegal immigration. As a legal migrant myself, I've been hopping through the legal hoops for years, and I still don't have legal permanent residence. And I'm OK with it. The law exists for a reason. My wife who is also here legally cannot work on the visa she's on. It's very frustrating for us, but we're OK with.
So it's not fair that people who came here illegally are allowed to work and make money just because they had children. Most of them never even try to learn English and assimilate. If they're so concerned about their families tearing apart, they should not have had children to begin with.
I love Obama and will miss him when he leaves office, but this is one issue where he failed big time. So I'd never thought I'd say this: I'm glad that the Republicans haven't approved Obama's Supreme Court nominee yet.
So it's not fair that people who came here illegally are allowed to work and make money just because they had children. Most of them never even try to learn English and assimilate. If they're so concerned about their families tearing apart, they should not have had children to begin with.
I love Obama and will miss him when he leaves office, but this is one issue where he failed big time. So I'd never thought I'd say this: I'm glad that the Republicans haven't approved Obama's Supreme Court nominee yet.
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Presumably you emigrated here by choice and not in a desperate attempt to get away from drug gangs, death squads, etc.. Many of the illegal immigrants in the US are not here just for better economic prospects (as are you, I imagine) but because of the dangers they face in their home country. They're refugees more than migrants, but we don't want to call them that.
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If you really believe that they were *all* running away from drugs and violence, then I can only smile at your naive self. Most of them are economic immigrants who came here for better jobs and a better life, just like I did. The only difference is that I came here legally, and they simply crossed the border.
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I think Obama knew that his solution was legally ambiguous at best, although it did seem to me a reasonable way for the Executive branch to prioritize paltry manpower and resources. With millions of law abiding people who had a shred of hope, now stopped dead in their tracks, there is renewed political will to fight on. Obama's solution was the only sane choice in a nation of stagnant political stalemate.
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Years ago I had to do an intensive research project on illegal immigration, and the big takeaway from that research was that anti-immigrant and anti-illegal immigrant sentiment ALWAYS spikes when people are feeling economic stress. When people are feeling good about the economy, they don't much care and are perfectly content to have illegal immigrants serving as their housekeepers, nannies, agricultural workers, landscape workers, food deliverymen, kitchen workers, office and hotel cleaning ladies, etc. I am now witnessing this historical correlation being played out once again.
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This is hogwash. They had to "judgeshop" all the way to Brownsville, Texas (a major center of jurisprudence) to find a judge who would rule in their favor.
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Ummm, it's not "judgeshopping." Take a look at a map. Brownsville is where the dispute arose.
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Good. The president's plan is an insult to all legal immigrants. The majority of the people in question are Mexican. There is no reason they cannot go home to Mexico instead of invading our nation. Mexico is a safe nation. It's time our elected officials stood for the needs of the law abiding American public rather than the demands of foreign nationals who freely break our laws and then have the nerve to make demands on us.
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"Deport them all." Yes, I know it isn't fair that they arrived here by illegal means. That sense of injustice does not resolve the enormous logistical nightmare that deportation would mean. Could someone who is suggesting this please elaborate on your plan of how we might manage to deport at least 11.5 million people from this country? And how we would not suffer an economic collapse due in part to a major loss of the labor force?
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Letting them stay would only invite more such people here. The vast majority have nothing to offer our society. Letting them stay means letting them access our nation's welfare system and increasing the burden on law abiding citizens. Once we make it clear they will not be allowed to stay they will leave. It's about time we did so.
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This Supreme Court decision can't be count as legal,cause this permanent 4 and 4 splitting after Republicans block Obama's US Supreme Court nominee can and would paralyse any future decisions for any national problems.Most things that Republicans do is absurd and harm US,especially immigration and gun control.There is a huge shortage in workers for farms and republicans wants deport millions immigrants that simply impossible,instead of use them for raise US economy.
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It's not going to be easy but after voting for Kerry, Obama then abstention I feel forced to vote Trump. The SCOTUS has become way too activist. It no longer acts in the way it was designed for.
Let's be honest with one another, this should have gone 8-0 against Obama IF the SCOTUS was making a strictly legal judgement.
The Constitution is clear that we as a nation are sovereign and can enforce our sovereignty laws with deportation. The founders never intended for us to be an open border non-state.
Let's be honest with one another, this should have gone 8-0 against Obama IF the SCOTUS was making a strictly legal judgement.
The Constitution is clear that we as a nation are sovereign and can enforce our sovereignty laws with deportation. The founders never intended for us to be an open border non-state.
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“Now, we have got a choice about who we are going to be as a country and what we want to teach our kids,”
Is not we are a nation of laws good enough?
Is not we are a nation of laws good enough?
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Why no mention of Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland in this article? That issue belongs in the lead paragraph of every article about a tied vote. In fact, it merits more coverage in its own right.
If he was a true jurist applying constitutional law he might have voted against Obama's executive order.
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It's interesting that when it comes to illegal immigration as an issue, the comments on the NYT articles are somewhat to the right as compared with strong left on most other issues. It's telling as to where the majority of people stand regardless of political philosophy.
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In a word(s): their pocketbooks are threatened, that cuts across all sexual, racial, political, and regional concerns in the fair land.
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I believe the immigration issue is used as a political “straw man” to garner votes for conservative politicians. I say that since enforcement of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) has been abysmal. America wants cheap labor for jobs in agriculture, construction, landscaping. Many employers use undocumented workers, but since enforcement of ICRA has been lacking, employers know that no audits or sanctions will be forthcoming. Conservative politicians can bash Latinos in public while ensuring that the supply of cheap labor to businesses will not be hampered by enforcement of ICRA.
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Rosario Reyes, an illegal immigrant? Vowing to fight legal citizens? See anything wrong with this picture?
I don't appreciate being threatened by people here illegally. Democrats are playing with fire here.
I don't appreciate being threatened by people here illegally. Democrats are playing with fire here.
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Amen!
Here in Washington DC, I was absolutely appalled on my way to work on Capitol Hill when LaRaza staged a protest here. This city is crawling with law enforcement and there were undocumented illegals blocking traffic, banging on car windows and yelling.
Deport them all.
Here in Washington DC, I was absolutely appalled on my way to work on Capitol Hill when LaRaza staged a protest here. This city is crawling with law enforcement and there were undocumented illegals blocking traffic, banging on car windows and yelling.
Deport them all.
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If there were any really good journalist around they could scout out the homes of Congressional members. I bet they would see lots of "illegals"cutting grass,tending gardens. Awhile ago I asked a friend if when the next meeting of their condo board met would she ask if the workers were vetted to determine if they were illegals. Her answer was "of course not,illegals keep our monthly charges down"
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People who are here illegally are criminals. Plain and simple. Any argument against that is simply incorrect. I'm not advocating deporting 11 million people, but the law is the law. The president can't just change it on his own.
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