It is not about Bernie anymore it is about the heart and soul of the party. 1. Wassermann Schulz must resign before the Convention .2 All super delegates must vote as their states did. 3. A new platform committee should be formed. 4. the next Chjair of the DNC must be like Elizabeth Warren. More to come as I think of them.
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Give the Sanders supporters time to come to terms with their disappointment. What people say in the heat of the moment isn't necessarily what they will do. And if the Sanders supporters would rather help Trump win than support Clinton? It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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The problem with Hillary and Bill is that they are so much about themselves. They are vicious and cunning but ultimately not particularly smart. Bill is a womanizer who squandered his presidency and prevented Al Gore from being elected, which gave us 8 years of Bush (thank you, Bill). And now it's Hilllary. They hope to win by demonizing Trump. Trump is smart. What did he do when Hillary claimed nomination? He immediately invited all Sanders's supporters to join him. What did Hillary do? She declared Trump insane, thus offending Trump's supporters. This is plain stupid.
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I was for Bernie in the beginning, but his messiah complex and cult like followers have turned me off. If he had just stuck to his message instead of throwing Democrats under the bus, I might have voted for him. If he had asked me about my story as the Hillary campaign did, I might have voted for him. If he had done more in Congress as the Democrats he demonized, I might have voted for him. If he hadn't declared black votes don't matter as he did after the Southern states voted, I might have voted for him. If he wasn't disingenuous about Hillary taking big money, knowing all to well that unless you promise free tuition , healthcare and other fanciful things, you have to abide by the system as it is until changed, I might have given more to him. If he acknowledged the history of Hillary's vicory, I might still respect him. I still liked the message, not the messenger anymore.
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The Sanders campaign and his supporters is where a stubborn old man meets a bunch of spoiled brats. Both are displaying a very stereotypical behavior. Millennials want everything the way they want it, whenever they want it and with no effort on their part. I want free health care! I want free college! I want free housing! I want a great paying job right out of college! I want Bernie and his promises! Well... life is not like that, so now they are going to throw a hissy fit. And Bernie, well... he's acting just like that stubborn old uncle that won't take his medicines. I agree some things need to change in America to make it a better country. Health care is out of control. Education is too expensive. But, believe me, I come from Spain, and over there we have all that. Free schools and free doctors, but no jobs. Millennials over there have a 50% unemployment rate. All over Europe is pretty much like that. So go work hard and achieve the things you want. And don't trow hissy fits when you don't get it!
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More importantly, is Hillary capable of the unvarnished non lawyerly truth? That remains to be seen. We know the answer for the GOP candidate, a constitutionally incapable truth teller.
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The Editorial Board states simply: "Releasing transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall Street would signal her commitment to reversing these perceptions" of "a candidate who has had a tendency to dodge uncomfortable questions."
I would strongly suggest to the New York Times Editorial Board that it have one of its highly-respected news reporters ask this specific question regarding “releasing the transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall Street” of the "presumptive party's nominee" at her first news conference since December. Let the American electorate see this test of character first hand.
I would strongly suggest to the New York Times Editorial Board that it have one of its highly-respected news reporters ask this specific question regarding “releasing the transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall Street” of the "presumptive party's nominee" at her first news conference since December. Let the American electorate see this test of character first hand.
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The issue is not whether or not Hillary won "fairly." She won the old-fashioned, machine way by making black America her hapless firewall, the same way the Kochs have made Kansas whites their own firewall: you buy the party establishment and you buy their preachers and you're home free. The issue is Hillary's Goldman Sachs, oligarchic economic policies. Sanders supporters should vote for Hillary against Trump, and then continue the revolution by creating a Tea Party of the left which primaries every Dem in America vulnerable from the Sanders left. Prepare for challenging Hillary in 2019 by doing all possible to pry as many blacks as possible nationwide against their lemming-like puppet voting for Goldman and the oligarchs, which just makes the rich richer and themselves poorer. Hillary only won this nomination with black voters who are much putty in the hands of Goldman Sachs as the What's Wrong With Kansas? white voters have been the puppets of the Koch Bros. Let's change that. Lots of white Kansas suckers have awakened to the con by voting either for Trump or Sanders. Lets see if we can't wake up blacks to the equally grotesque Clinton con job on them.
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This could have been an important milestone in American politics but for the fact that Hillary Clinton is a pathological liar who is unfit for this office.
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She doesn't have to convince Berners that she won fairly. She has to convince them that she is worthy of their vote. I'm not there yet. I, for one, have had enough Clinton trimming and parsing to last a lifetime.
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Bernie promised a positive campaign about issues. He didn't deliver, but Hillary did.
Bernie promised to release his tax returns. He didn't, but Hillary did.
Bernie promised his full-voiced support for the party and its nominee. I'd like to see him keep his promise, but that is his burden, not Hillary's.
Bernie promised to release his tax returns. He didn't, but Hillary did.
Bernie promised his full-voiced support for the party and its nominee. I'd like to see him keep his promise, but that is his burden, not Hillary's.
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Hillary Clinton and the term "fair" should never be linked together in a positive manner. The Dems have been ruining the USA and they seem determined to continue to do so- Hillary is definitely the one to do it for them. How can immorality, cowardliness, and reverse discrimination be so attractive?
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For Hillary to win my vote she will first have to win this election and then prove herself during the next four years. If she is able to make life better for people on the lower end of spectrum and keep in check her hawkish tendencies then more power to her. That said she hasn't won my vote yet.
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"Mrs. Clinton... running an accountable White House"? What delusional alternate reality do the Times' editors hail from?
Just last week, it was revealed that Hillary & her aides refused to cooperate with their (former) Department's investigation into their illicit email scheme. And with the FBI's report into their concerted mishandling of classified materials due, any day now, the Times' editors announce their fatuous expectation of "greater openness and directness from a candidate who has had a tendency to dodge uncomfortable questions"?
Releasing picayune corporate speech transcripts would be a cosmic non sequitur vis-a-vis Clinton's egregious transgressions!
Just last week, it was revealed that Hillary & her aides refused to cooperate with their (former) Department's investigation into their illicit email scheme. And with the FBI's report into their concerted mishandling of classified materials due, any day now, the Times' editors announce their fatuous expectation of "greater openness and directness from a candidate who has had a tendency to dodge uncomfortable questions"?
Releasing picayune corporate speech transcripts would be a cosmic non sequitur vis-a-vis Clinton's egregious transgressions!
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Mrs. Clinton is a flawed candidate disliked intensely by so many people. I may disagree with Sen. Sanders but I always thought he was honest and with principle in his approach. Not so with Mrs. Clinton.
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"Donald Trump is correctly pointing out that Mrs. Clinton has gone many months without answering questions at a news conference."
So? Trump has blathered, ranted, obfuscated, and insulted questioners at news conferences, but I haven't heard him actually answer a question yet.
So? Trump has blathered, ranted, obfuscated, and insulted questioners at news conferences, but I haven't heard him actually answer a question yet.
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I gave money to Bernie's campaign (first time ever giving money to a politician, and I am old). I supported Bernie, voted for Bernie in the primary. But Hillary won fair and square and now I will support Hillary.
Mostly because we can not let that buffoon of a man named Trump come anywhere near the presidency. And it is time to vote out the likes of racist enablers such as Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.
Mostly because we can not let that buffoon of a man named Trump come anywhere near the presidency. And it is time to vote out the likes of racist enablers such as Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.
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National media must live in parallel universe and certainty are amnesiac of history from 1920s Italy. It is only way any of it's editors can posit that Sanders fans have a choice not to vote for Hillary Clinton
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There are simply too many unanswered questions that Hillary has avoided to make her a credible candidate. She has won the Democratic nomination, but has not yet to win the White House. Her negatives and past positions will catch up to her "victory" very soon.
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The Dems are again, running a slick campaign. Run Bernie against the Clintons, with zero chance of getting the nomination. When Bernie folds, deploy Bill and Barack to woo Bernie's followers. Not a tough job, for to good speakers, as Bernie's followers have two choices. Vote for the Clintons, or don't vote. Bill is popular with females, many not high on Hillary. Obama can preach much like Martin Luther King. He is popular having turned in our worlds 's badge. Trumps unknown quantity of followers will have to go it alone , whatever their perceived grievances with the Beltway.
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When (if) Hillary gets into the White House, I guarantee she will largely ignore the progressive Democrats in the Congress and make alliances with Republicans. This is what she has always done. Just watch her speech justifying her vote in favor of authorizing the Iraq War in October 2002.
This is why Bernie is pushing this as far as he can, because he knows Clinton is a centrist who will need to be constantly pushed leftwards (just like Bill Clinton needed to be pushed), often with little success.
The question facing Bernie's movement now is (again IF HRC wins and we are not dealing with a Trump disaster) how to get a true progressive agenda passed. Bernie should keep pushing now and never stop, no matter whois elected. A progressive agenda is that only thing that can ward off armageddon as the effects of global warming, overpopulation, and the end of work override all other issues.
This is why Bernie is pushing this as far as he can, because he knows Clinton is a centrist who will need to be constantly pushed leftwards (just like Bill Clinton needed to be pushed), often with little success.
The question facing Bernie's movement now is (again IF HRC wins and we are not dealing with a Trump disaster) how to get a true progressive agenda passed. Bernie should keep pushing now and never stop, no matter whois elected. A progressive agenda is that only thing that can ward off armageddon as the effects of global warming, overpopulation, and the end of work override all other issues.
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If Hillary Clinton wants to change how she is perceived by voters, she needs to move her platform to the left and represent working-class Americans. She could have done this much earlier in her campaign, but she has steadfastly refused to do so.
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As a former security clearance holder myself, I see no reason why she shouldn't be called to account for her email antics. Or are we yet again expanding the envelope for what is acceptable to let a Clinton off the hook.
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Open primaries are an absurdity. The idea of primaries is choosing the candidate of a party, so obviously they are an affair for members of that party. I know that if we had open primaries in NY, I'd consider voting in the other party's primary -- for the person I thought would be the weaker candidate in the general election.
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Democrats in power always bend over backwards to appeal to the other party voters while taking their own supporters for granted. Do they secretly agree with the other side's views? Don't they have enough faith in their own progressive beliefs?
Whatever it is, it is high time that Democrats proudly own their progressive views. I would like to hear Hillary saying proudly that she welcomes the hate of the 1%, the way a Democratic president did in the past.
Whatever it is, it is high time that Democrats proudly own their progressive views. I would like to hear Hillary saying proudly that she welcomes the hate of the 1%, the way a Democratic president did in the past.
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Bernie and his bros lost to Hillary who received 15.6 million votes to Bernie's 11.9 million votes. Democracy rules not white male entitlement. Hillary has the grit and smarts and will win the Presidency even if Bernie can't control his messianic ego and runs as an independent in an attempt to throw the election to Trump.
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I agree with Mr Sanders concerns about economic inequality and social immobility, and with his reservations about the strength of Mrs Clinton's commitment to reducing them, though I think some of his solutions, unfortunately, owe more to the traditions of American populism than to democratic socialism---breaking up banks is a prime example. However, now that it is clear that the next election will be between Mrs Clinton and Mr Trump, surely , at this point in time, he and his supporters would do well to reflect on the history of the calamitous attack by the Communist Party on German Social Democrats as "social fascists", the "twin brothers" of fascism, and its unfortunate, indeed tragic, consequences.
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Sanders supporters are still working out their whine and chanting that Hillary Clinton 'has not been honorable.' How wrong they are! Throughout this campaign in both parties she has been the shining star. She has maintained decorum and civility. Sanders abandoned his at the door. It really is the Sanders side of the room that has to take the walk to the other side at this point. Clinton has won in unpledged delegates without the so-called super delegates - let's call the super delegate 'senior delegates,' and let's agree that experience counts!
This is exactly the outcome that I predicted in early March as did Nate Silver and others - the math was pretty unavoidable. That is what poll projections based on real voter records is a about. The caucuses (as per last night) provided Sanders with false credibility. The popular votes and super delegates wound up much more aligned with one another. What this says is that if Sanders really wants to demand a 'reform' that removes super delegates -QUID PRO QUO - the caucuses must be reformed first for direct participation by registered voters. As for letting Republicans cross over or Democrats cross over and potentially sabotage the nominating process of the opposition - which so-called 'open primaries' facilitate - Democrats should take a long and hard look at that issue before humoring an objection from Sanders that might be based entirely on loser remorse.
This is exactly the outcome that I predicted in early March as did Nate Silver and others - the math was pretty unavoidable. That is what poll projections based on real voter records is a about. The caucuses (as per last night) provided Sanders with false credibility. The popular votes and super delegates wound up much more aligned with one another. What this says is that if Sanders really wants to demand a 'reform' that removes super delegates -QUID PRO QUO - the caucuses must be reformed first for direct participation by registered voters. As for letting Republicans cross over or Democrats cross over and potentially sabotage the nominating process of the opposition - which so-called 'open primaries' facilitate - Democrats should take a long and hard look at that issue before humoring an objection from Sanders that might be based entirely on loser remorse.
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Bernie would have "done something", or at least attempted to.
Hillary is the Wall Street pick, and can be read as W with better social policy window dressing. We can expect no change, no help, and maybe a little resistance on a few hot button social issues.
The alternative is an irresponsible temper tantrum, or to sit it out entirely.
Hillary is the Wall Street pick, and can be read as W with better social policy window dressing. We can expect no change, no help, and maybe a little resistance on a few hot button social issues.
The alternative is an irresponsible temper tantrum, or to sit it out entirely.
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Senator Sanders forgets that the reason money has influence in politics is that it usually funds ads that lie about opposing candidates rather than discuss issues. With all of her money, Hillary Clinton never did that. On the contrary, I am dismayed at the false impression many of his supporters have of her due to his and Donald Trump's campaigns. Saying that taking money from Wall Street means she will not fix Wall Street does not make it so. Saying that her first impulse is to go to war does not make it so either. She strongly cautioned against going to war in Iraq in her 2002 Iraq War vote speech.
On the contrary, it is Senator Sanders who has used his money to smear a wonderful thoughtful and intelligent candidate. Those of us who voted for her are by and large older than his voters. We have watched her for decades and heard every criticism of her, yet we still voted for her. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe she is not as bad as you think?
On the contrary, it is Senator Sanders who has used his money to smear a wonderful thoughtful and intelligent candidate. Those of us who voted for her are by and large older than his voters. We have watched her for decades and heard every criticism of her, yet we still voted for her. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe she is not as bad as you think?
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For all those millennials thinking of skipping the General Election because their favored candidate, Bernie Sanders, did not win the Democratic nomination – consider the alternative? Donald Trump, who has been deemed a bigot by his own party leaders, could become the next president of the United States?
As you all progress through life, you will hopefully learn that you have to settle for incremental progress when the bigger revolution is simply not going to happen. Martin Luther King settled for a lot of incremental progress until a Southern president delivered on a lot of his hopes and dreams with the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, etc. Even then it took another four decades before a black man was elected to the highest office in the land.
Everything that this country has achieved in the past fifty years will be set back, if Hillary Clinton loses because you all decided to sit this election out!
As you all progress through life, you will hopefully learn that you have to settle for incremental progress when the bigger revolution is simply not going to happen. Martin Luther King settled for a lot of incremental progress until a Southern president delivered on a lot of his hopes and dreams with the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, etc. Even then it took another four decades before a black man was elected to the highest office in the land.
Everything that this country has achieved in the past fifty years will be set back, if Hillary Clinton loses because you all decided to sit this election out!
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I will vote for Hillary while I continue to enthusiastically support Bernie in his real agenda, which is building a political movement to reconfigure the political landscape in the United States.
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Yes yes yes I get every single negative thing said about Hillary here and yes yes yes I would much rather vote for Bernie or Elizabeth Warren. But come on, people, we are talking about Donald Trump!! The negative consequences of letting him become President vastly outweigh all of her defects and limitations.
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"So, too, would clearly acknowledging what the State Department inspector general has said: that using a private email server for official business was not allowed or encouraged, but she did it anyway, in a misguided effort to protect her privacy." The conclusion of States IG report made it very clear that not a single SOS in the 2000s followed the so called rules. The report was to cover State's embarrassing failure to create secure systems within its department. It's not even clear the NYT editors read the final conclusion.
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Congratulations to Clinton! And now on to defeat that know-nothing the Republicans are likely to nominate.
I am, however, afraid of one thing. I am worried that Clinton will decide she either must bring the progressive Sanders voters into her coalition OR go after disaffected conservatives who want an excuse not to vote for Trump. If that's the case, she might sell out the progressives for another Democratic version of a center-right Republican-light party. Keep left, Ms. Clinton!
I am, however, afraid of one thing. I am worried that Clinton will decide she either must bring the progressive Sanders voters into her coalition OR go after disaffected conservatives who want an excuse not to vote for Trump. If that's the case, she might sell out the progressives for another Democratic version of a center-right Republican-light party. Keep left, Ms. Clinton!
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GIve credit where credit is due. Six months ago most analysts, including talk show hosts, did not give HRC a ghost of a chance of winning the nomination but "voila," here she is the presumptive nominee for President. Observed that once Mrs. Clinton found her "groove" on the campaign trail, she became a stronger candidate. However, if she and her husband did engage in influence peddling big time, earning millions of dollars in donations from foreign governments, she should be required to answer those charges. Sen. McKaskill of Missouri, who is reportedly battling cancer with courage--"chapeau," said on CNN that HRC chose public service over financial enrichment, difficult to swallow in view of her proximity to Wall Street, and hundreds of thousands earned for her speeches, the texts of which she has refused to reveal.In the Legion, if you told a told a deceit like that , fellow Legionnaires would say,"cravate,"and dismiss you as a soldier who would say "n'importe quoi n'importe comment."If HRC does win the election and become President, she will be living proof, according to many, that crime pays, big time, and that we have become a de facto plutocracy.
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If Bernie Sanders wants to reform the way the Democrats select our presidential nominee, a good first step would be for him to join the party. Then he should show some loyalty by whole-heartedly supporting the candidate who millions more of us chose to represent us than voted for him.
Sanders used the Democratic party as a vehicle to advance his own agenda. It takes real chutzpah for him to demand changes as an outsider. This demanding old man seems to have the same attitude of entitlement as the most immature of his supporters.
Sanders used the Democratic party as a vehicle to advance his own agenda. It takes real chutzpah for him to demand changes as an outsider. This demanding old man seems to have the same attitude of entitlement as the most immature of his supporters.
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And in its own unique way our democracy will accommodate all of these incompatible thoughts and we will all fight again another day. Why do we all think that everyone else is getting exactly what they want?
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It appears Mrs. Clinton will be the first female presidential nominee of a major party, but she needs to convince Sanders followers that she won fairly.
How is 'lying Hillary' going to do that? Hopefully, she will not be able to.
How is 'lying Hillary' going to do that? Hopefully, she will not be able to.
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It doesn't come as any surprise that Hillary won. It seemed preordained. She just has a lot of baggage to overcome. To believe she will champion the middle class is a stretch with all her corporate sponsors and money she has received from speeches by her and Bill. Wearing a $1200 Armani jacket was a nice touch for her inequality speech; I'm sure the 99% were pleased. It is difficult to believe she will turn her back on all the people who have made her rich. It's difficult to believe she will fight for the common man.
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The continued willful ignorance and incivility from Sanders' supporters is pathetic. Hillary has absolutely ZERO burden to try and assuage their wounded egos or reason with the unreasonable. If they vote for Trump, it will make no difference at all; it will only confirm their bitter, stubborn stupidity. The electoral map is set in stone and Hillary will get 330-plus electoral votes and become the next president of the United States, thank the gods. There was a film called ARGO a while back in which Alan Arkin had a beautifully perfect catch-phrase for Sanders and his mindless myrmidons.
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First of all, Sanders is a one-time, self-serving Democrat. That he demands a party he isn’t even part of must change musters up a big “uh-huh” from me. It kind of reminds me of the bilingual argument for schools; for whose benefit, exactly? And as for those younger voters who won’t vote for Clinton, since their age doesn’t turn out anyway, isn’t that a wash? Lastly, I disagree that Clinton has to turn over her speeches. That request is coming from those who seek to destroy her, so bad form to begin with. It’s completely a non-issue. And lastly, for all of those who have a problem with the email server, did you have that problem when Colin Powell did it? I don’t have a problem with protecting privacy, period. All of these demands amount to flimsy efforts to kowtow to people who will never vote for her anyway. Time to move on to the fight with Donald.
15
Aside from miraculously becoming an honorable and upstanding human being, there's really nothing Hillary Clinton can do to secure my vote. While some of what she says somewhat resembles my political views, I cannot vote for a morally bankrupt individual.
I've turned down extraordinarily high paying jobs for ethical reasons, so I'm entirely comfortable with following my moral compass here as well.
The problem is NOT people like me who refuse to vote for crooks and liars; the problem is the people who shrug their shoulders and say, "Well, at least they're a crook and liar who more closely adheres to my political worldview."
I've turned down extraordinarily high paying jobs for ethical reasons, so I'm entirely comfortable with following my moral compass here as well.
The problem is NOT people like me who refuse to vote for crooks and liars; the problem is the people who shrug their shoulders and say, "Well, at least they're a crook and liar who more closely adheres to my political worldview."
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HRM has the potential to be a great president because of the time we are in and the knowledge base that she has acquired over the years. Whether or not she will realize that potential and elevate the country is entirely up to her and her ability to use the bully pulpit and speak truth to power.
Unfortunately, her track record in doing this is less than stellar.
If she does not, all of those disenchanted voters who supported a hopeful Barrack Obama and were disappointed and who then went to feel the Bern will have a head start in continuing Bernie's quest over the next two election cycles. The country needs to change and the glide path has started, will HRM get out ahead or stay attached to the oligopoly of the past 30 year?
Unfortunately, her track record in doing this is less than stellar.
If she does not, all of those disenchanted voters who supported a hopeful Barrack Obama and were disappointed and who then went to feel the Bern will have a head start in continuing Bernie's quest over the next two election cycles. The country needs to change and the glide path has started, will HRM get out ahead or stay attached to the oligopoly of the past 30 year?
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Perhaps those who criticize Hillary should disclose who they are shilling for? Hillary Clinton should not respond to anything said by con-man don or his bag-men in the republican party. As for Sanders Supporters, they need to step up and get in the real game - like how they will get enough Dem's elected to the House and Senate to be able to pass the legislation they are promoting. Sanders will be one vote in the Senate after Hillary wins - she needs Dem's elected in states other than Vermont. Sanders voters need to focus their energy on the real job of electing Dem's for every office from Dog Catcher to President.
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I notice a great deal of the "same old, same old" from many Sanders supporters today: The NYT has been unfair in its support of Clinton and writes biased editorials, the super delegate system is rigged against us, we are pure in thought and deed while those nefarious supporters of Clinton are not to be trusted, and, worst of all, I'M taking my football and going home in high dudgeon and not voting come November.
This is all emotional malarkey. The New York Times is, and has been free to endorse anyone it chooses, per the first Amendment. The super delegate system became part of the Democratic rule book since the disastrous campaigns of the 1980's if for wanting a better simile, controlling fractious members has always been like herding cats. As for the latter two points, there is a complicated relationship between purity and pragmatism. We all show we've feet of clay at times, and it is better to acknowledge our sins and weaknesses and strive for the better goals than to enshroud ourselves in the wraps of purity. Finally, staying home in a snit come November does the country no good. Want a fascist homespun demagogue in control come January 20th? Staying home or writing in Jill Stein, Bernie Sanders or Donald Duck favors that result.
This is all emotional malarkey. The New York Times is, and has been free to endorse anyone it chooses, per the first Amendment. The super delegate system became part of the Democratic rule book since the disastrous campaigns of the 1980's if for wanting a better simile, controlling fractious members has always been like herding cats. As for the latter two points, there is a complicated relationship between purity and pragmatism. We all show we've feet of clay at times, and it is better to acknowledge our sins and weaknesses and strive for the better goals than to enshroud ourselves in the wraps of purity. Finally, staying home in a snit come November does the country no good. Want a fascist homespun demagogue in control come January 20th? Staying home or writing in Jill Stein, Bernie Sanders or Donald Duck favors that result.
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As one who supported Bernie until he became an apostate and appointed four Israel haters as his representatives to the platform committee - Bernie was the only candidate I supported financially in my life - it is clear as daylight that Hillary has not won fair and square, and this might cost her and us the White House. With all the legitimate criticism, Trump did win fair and square, and while the DNC has orchestrated a coronation, the RNC has not supported Trump. All these has made these elections very fluid and unpredictable. Hillary has evolved, and has now "adopted" many of Bernie's ideas, but is she believable? Unfortunately I, and I am sure most Bernie's supporters do not believe a word she says. That leaves me with only one option - voting for the third party's candidate. But if many of us go this way, Trump wins. The DNC can only blame its leaders.
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SHHHH! Don't mention her speeches for the banks and all that money. SHHH! Don't talk about her emails. Let's all play the game and pretend that all is well and Hillary is so honest and capable. After all, she's the only woman in the world who deserves to be our first female president. Now, let's all smile and get in line and vote for her.
And then comes the reality that she is a liar and greedy to the core.
That she is a hawk like none other.Let's all be vicious to Bernie for running the fair fight.
The media, the entire Democratic Party, her husband and the current administration are all into the lie that she is the only person who should be our next president.
Baloney! She is the worst of the worst.
And then comes the reality that she is a liar and greedy to the core.
That she is a hawk like none other.Let's all be vicious to Bernie for running the fair fight.
The media, the entire Democratic Party, her husband and the current administration are all into the lie that she is the only person who should be our next president.
Baloney! She is the worst of the worst.
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Not Clinton, but Sanders has the responsibility of setting his supporters straight. If he has any love for his country Bernie will do the honorable and graceful speech of support for the legitimate nominee.
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Sanders has convinced many of his followers that Hillary is a crook and has 'stolen' the nomination. Some commenters here follow that playbook to the letter. Those who refuse to vote for Hillary are really voting for Trump. What a paradox! I don't personally believe she has anything to apologize for and certainly does not need to beg for votes.
Sanders is not doing the country any favors. In the end he will be remembered as a grumpy old man who stubbornly fought a losing battle. Trashing Hillary only helps the GOP so those who persist have to realize that they are in the GOP camp now. There never was a 'socialist' dream as those who claim Sanders is socialist do not know the meaning of the word socialism.
Give it a rest, get behind her and those Democrats downstream and we will have a real chance at having a more effective government. Trump is the bankruptcy master and if congress remains as is, he will bankrupt the US with their help. In addition, he will end up helping his friends in Russia and North Korea continue their evil ways.
God help us.
Sanders is not doing the country any favors. In the end he will be remembered as a grumpy old man who stubbornly fought a losing battle. Trashing Hillary only helps the GOP so those who persist have to realize that they are in the GOP camp now. There never was a 'socialist' dream as those who claim Sanders is socialist do not know the meaning of the word socialism.
Give it a rest, get behind her and those Democrats downstream and we will have a real chance at having a more effective government. Trump is the bankruptcy master and if congress remains as is, he will bankrupt the US with their help. In addition, he will end up helping his friends in Russia and North Korea continue their evil ways.
God help us.
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As David Quammen wrote regarding a different topic, "Passionately dedicated people need to recognize that righteous intransigence is not a strategy; it's just a satisfying attitude."
Sitting out the general election, voting for another lost cause, or even more ridiculous, claiming you'll vote for Trump is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's not a strategy, it's just a satisfying attitude that will be at an enormous cost to both your goals and America. And you young folks will be paying that cost for a very long time.
Sitting out the general election, voting for another lost cause, or even more ridiculous, claiming you'll vote for Trump is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's not a strategy, it's just a satisfying attitude that will be at an enormous cost to both your goals and America. And you young folks will be paying that cost for a very long time.
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Describing the victory of Hillary Clinton, the ultimate establishment figure and corporate handmaiden who rode to the Democratic nomination on her husband's coattails, as a victory for human rights is laughable.
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No she didn't win fairly, and Ms. Clinton need not convince anyone among Mr. Sanders supporters that she did. What she must do is recognize that her Party is divided down the middle, that she's won one side of it, and that she won't win the Presidential election on fear and loathing of Donald Trump alone.
Mr.Sanders and his supporters want a new New Deal. She must communicate that she's heard the message and will deliver on the promise of it. It's her task to heal the rift. She achieves leadership now, or she and the Democratic Party lose in November. If she's Presidential enough, she can demonstrate it by winning her entire Party first.
Mr.Sanders and his supporters want a new New Deal. She must communicate that she's heard the message and will deliver on the promise of it. It's her task to heal the rift. She achieves leadership now, or she and the Democratic Party lose in November. If she's Presidential enough, she can demonstrate it by winning her entire Party first.
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You know what, I don't think she really needs your advice. She's a talented politician, she's won the nomination, and she's the grownup where Trump is the spoiled toddler. We've listened to the accusations all the way from Travelgate and Whitewater and Vincent Foster to Benghazi and the email server, and every single one of them was empty noise -- there's no "there" there. So why don't you stop scolding and lecturing and caveating and let us celebrate her victory? We'll be lucky indeed if she's our next president. Especially considering the alternative.
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I gave the Bernie campaign money and signed up for the grass roots events. I love Bernie and his message. At some point I began to support Hillary.
It doesn't mean I reject Bernie. I just realized he wasn't paying it forward, supporting a coalition of lesser candidates in lower offices. You have to do that, have to do it as a team.
You can't be a lone ranger. Trump is a lone ranger. He's a disaster, with a stronger personality than Bernie. Hillary is imperfect but a team builder. It's the only way.
It doesn't mean I reject Bernie. I just realized he wasn't paying it forward, supporting a coalition of lesser candidates in lower offices. You have to do that, have to do it as a team.
You can't be a lone ranger. Trump is a lone ranger. He's a disaster, with a stronger personality than Bernie. Hillary is imperfect but a team builder. It's the only way.
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I voted for Sanders in the MA primary and donated to his campaign. To the naysayers who express disbelief, I have the ACT Blue donations account list and campaign buttons to prove it, just no copy of my ballot. I have followed his political career and votes in the senate for years and have his fiery speeches saved in a youtube account. I am now sickened by his inability to concede and unite the Democratic party. To me he has lost all honor and integrity and is basking in his new found glory. Self satisfaction is now more important than sacrificing for the good of the country. He is no different than the disgusting republicans who claim that they despise Trump, are horrified by him yet will give him their complete support since to do less may cost them THEIR seat in Congress. They are willing to support a dangerous, arrogant, ignorant bully to save their own skins. Sanders, in my eyes, is now no different. His integrity is gone. Instead of graciously acknowledging defeat he is willing to tear this country further apart which could result in the election of one of the most dangerous candidates who has ever run for president in recent memory. Where is the Sanders who stated that "On her worst day, Hillary Clinton is a hundred times better than any of the Republicans." Are these the words of a liar? We are heading down a very dangerous road if Sanders will not rally behind Clinton who is the Democratic nominee. He needs to do what is right for the country. It's not about him.
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First order of business should be to negotiate with Sanders on the platform. Embrace the ideas of millions of Democratic supporters and win their support. Cleary Clinton has her own policies, but a little shift or repackaging could unify the party and put Sanders on the campaign trail beside her.
Might I suggest community college for community service.
Might I suggest community college for community service.
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A good quote for this occasion, is in an article on the BBC website at:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34324865
The most appropriate part is:
"It ain't over till it's over." Well, you can't argue with that.
American baseball legend Yogi Berra first uttered the phrase about baseball's 1973 National League pennant race. His team was a long way behind when he said it and they did eventually rally to win the division title."
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34324865
The most appropriate part is:
"It ain't over till it's over." Well, you can't argue with that.
American baseball legend Yogi Berra first uttered the phrase about baseball's 1973 National League pennant race. His team was a long way behind when he said it and they did eventually rally to win the division title."
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The system does appear to be rigged. The press, media and our elected officials don't seem to understand that the general population feels the system is either rigged or broken and their role in creating the damage. There is a great deal of effort to insure we understand how un-qualified Donald Trump may be; fine. In her own unique way is Mrs Clinton any better? I think not. Whether its David Brooks, Charlie Rose or Chuck Todd, they need to get out of the ACEALA corridor and learn about the dislocation going on in the Country. We need to explore how to go forward beyond two candidates no body really wants.
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"This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment, but Mrs. Clinton must address it." Firstly, it's not just young people who believe in Sanders and who distrust and dislike Mrs. Clinton. Many of us who voted for Bill Clinton twice have done our research on them, since the days of the late great Christopher Hitchens' exposes of the couple--no, he didn't turn right-wing, and the criticisms are not Republican smears. And therefore, secondly, many of your readers believe this is an accurate and fair assessment.
Thirdly, the NYT needs to write an editorial discussing the dissatisfaction of many readers with its reporting this season, with statements such as the one I quoted, and have an internal review of journalistic bias on the paper.
Lastly, those of us with valid reasons for considering Clinton a deeply unethical candidate will have serious issues of conscience when trying to decide whether to vote for the lesser of two evils, or write in Sanders, or vote for Stein or just stay home. If the NYT does not come clean on their biased reporting, and if Clinton does not release her G-S speeches, the latter 3 choices might seem easier on the conscience, although the specter of Trump might scare us into expediency. But we feel blackmailed by both the NY Times and the Clinton Commenter Army. Read this, publish it or don't--but you need to address this issue, NYT Editorial Board.
Thirdly, the NYT needs to write an editorial discussing the dissatisfaction of many readers with its reporting this season, with statements such as the one I quoted, and have an internal review of journalistic bias on the paper.
Lastly, those of us with valid reasons for considering Clinton a deeply unethical candidate will have serious issues of conscience when trying to decide whether to vote for the lesser of two evils, or write in Sanders, or vote for Stein or just stay home. If the NYT does not come clean on their biased reporting, and if Clinton does not release her G-S speeches, the latter 3 choices might seem easier on the conscience, although the specter of Trump might scare us into expediency. But we feel blackmailed by both the NY Times and the Clinton Commenter Army. Read this, publish it or don't--but you need to address this issue, NYT Editorial Board.
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What sums up Hillary for me is that while giving a speech on inequality... She wore an Armani jacket worth more than $12,000. That and the millions made giving speeches to many companies she promises to be tough on when president. I would like to support her because she is a woman and I feel a woman should be president but there are too many important things I would need to overlook. She is not the champion of the middle class that we need.
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Nothing is won until July. And by what circumstance a nomination is won is unimportant; what is important is WHO, not HOW. And if the nomination is given to a front (wo)man for corporate greed and corrupt governments seeking favors with a documented history of lying, deception and worst of all, as an enabler of an abuser of women, we must stay principled and decline to abet the unholy alliances she and her ilk have spent a lifetime cultivating.
10
If we can force her to stop her war mongering and listening to the neo conservatives, who are still trying to force our will on other nations, she might just be a decent lesser evil. Certainly lesser than Trump.
1
Telling the truth should never be a burden. Hillary's truth always evolves as the facts reach sunlight. She will not be an effective president.
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Clinton's paid speeches do not belong to her, the transcript is owned by who paid her. She cannot release the transcript of a paid speech. Does anyone really think she made secret promises in speeches?
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Sure, she won fairly. I have no doubt about that.
But she also needs to listen to us. We do not like her cozying up with Wall Street banksters. She needs to crack down on them hard. We also want single payer health insurance. We want a $15.00 minimum wage. We want jobs, and not just part time ones at McD's. We want fairness and economic equality. We want big money out of politics. We want meaningful education (both K-12 and college) - and without the noose of huge student loans around our necks.
If Hillary gives us those, then we will truly know that she won fair and square.
But she also needs to listen to us. We do not like her cozying up with Wall Street banksters. She needs to crack down on them hard. We also want single payer health insurance. We want a $15.00 minimum wage. We want jobs, and not just part time ones at McD's. We want fairness and economic equality. We want big money out of politics. We want meaningful education (both K-12 and college) - and without the noose of huge student loans around our necks.
If Hillary gives us those, then we will truly know that she won fair and square.
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Did she win fairly? As some others have said -she won fairly in a corrupt system. How ironic that our first credible female candidate was pushed over the top by the same old white Guy's contingent.
But I was caught off guard by the depth of emotion I felt listening to her last night. Not for her campaign rhetoric but I thought of all the meetings in which some guy cut me off or spoke over me or restated what I just said or gave my promotion to some family man or rejected my appeal to use 15 lunch hour minutes to leave early to pick my daughter up at daycare -and on and on. "Why not ask your husband and see what he says?", when making a decision. I was completely unprepared for how quickly and enthusiastically I was able to embrace Mrs Clintons run. The young women who say they 'can't vote for her' may soon realize what a fallacy that is. Mitch McConnell is right- who do you want choosing the next Supreme Court nominee- someone who will invade your body and your life with their laws? Nope. HILLARY 2016
But I was caught off guard by the depth of emotion I felt listening to her last night. Not for her campaign rhetoric but I thought of all the meetings in which some guy cut me off or spoke over me or restated what I just said or gave my promotion to some family man or rejected my appeal to use 15 lunch hour minutes to leave early to pick my daughter up at daycare -and on and on. "Why not ask your husband and see what he says?", when making a decision. I was completely unprepared for how quickly and enthusiastically I was able to embrace Mrs Clintons run. The young women who say they 'can't vote for her' may soon realize what a fallacy that is. Mitch McConnell is right- who do you want choosing the next Supreme Court nominee- someone who will invade your body and your life with their laws? Nope. HILLARY 2016
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We hope that you will start covering Hillary Clinton's successes and serious policy positions and stop covering daily Trump's notoriety. Citizens of both parties are scared having Mr. Trump leading an office which influences the future and well being of global citizenship and the planet itself.
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Party leaders did conspire to deprive democratic voters of their choice. This is why the Operatives made the DNC chairwoman go away. The fix was "in" early and there was nothing no freedom loving liberal could do about it. We actually have no where to turn when our sources of choice (NYT, NPR etc.) information decide an outcome and advance it through opinion and reporting. We realize when we are being conned and understand the nature and allure of feeling part of history being made. Please friends resist such gesture and allow a younger and brighter vision to emerge.
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Perfectly awful election thus far that promises to degenerate into absolute bitter chaos. After the GOP dumpster fire which resulted in the most unqualified, rudest, unprepared, least knowledgeable, and most profane candidate in history, we have the Democratic debacle. Sanders, never a Democrat, chooses to curmudgeonly live in his own destructive reality, making this election open warfare. You are not Karl Marx, Mr Sanders (not sure you even understand all your platform issues); stop the exultation of your campaign into a 'revolution'. This could be a literally bloody fall and summer unless cooler heads prevail.
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Agreed on maximizing participation of independents in primaries with a few caveats:
(1) Instead of open primaries, semi-open or semi-closed primaries where Republicans are not allowed to participate unless they shift to non-Republican affiliation --- otherwise you get less than desirable meddling as seen in the West Virginia primary this year.
(2) If you are truly for "opening up" the process to more eligible people, then you are cannot have be against caucuses which disenfranchise due to its greater demand characteristics. So have all Democratic contests be semi-open/closed primaries, period.
(1) Instead of open primaries, semi-open or semi-closed primaries where Republicans are not allowed to participate unless they shift to non-Republican affiliation --- otherwise you get less than desirable meddling as seen in the West Virginia primary this year.
(2) If you are truly for "opening up" the process to more eligible people, then you are cannot have be against caucuses which disenfranchise due to its greater demand characteristics. So have all Democratic contests be semi-open/closed primaries, period.
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Congratulations to Clinton!
Trump's "performance" this past week shows that he is beatable...perhaps easily and decisively beatable.
The real goal for Democrats (and Independents and even those Republicans who know in their heats that Clinton is the better choice) is to take control of the Senate and, who knows, ultimately the House as well.
The American people need to take back government from those who are not interested in governing.
Trump's "performance" this past week shows that he is beatable...perhaps easily and decisively beatable.
The real goal for Democrats (and Independents and even those Republicans who know in their heats that Clinton is the better choice) is to take control of the Senate and, who knows, ultimately the House as well.
The American people need to take back government from those who are not interested in governing.
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"It appears Mrs. Clinton will be the first female presidential nominee of a major party, but she needs to convince Sanders followers that she won fairly."
Yeah, good luck with that. Not going to happen.
Yeah, good luck with that. Not going to happen.
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Trump has gotten away with unanswered questions because the media have noT insisted on enforcing a "no answer-no coverage" rule. Or, at least, "no answer to our questions? Then you will have to invent your own coverage.
So greedy for a fight between GOP and Democratic candidates have the media become, they do not care if Trump, the GOP or even the Democrats answer any questions in good faith or otherwise.
The main failures in this campaign season have been by the news services and their owners.
It is a terrible and all but treasonable betrayal of the 1st amendment , which news organizations claim as their license to carry on the business of a free press, freely covering a national election. Yet, with fewer and fewer rules not of the media's own creation, or at least of its 'assertion'.
So greedy for a fight between GOP and Democratic candidates have the media become, they do not care if Trump, the GOP or even the Democrats answer any questions in good faith or otherwise.
The main failures in this campaign season have been by the news services and their owners.
It is a terrible and all but treasonable betrayal of the 1st amendment , which news organizations claim as their license to carry on the business of a free press, freely covering a national election. Yet, with fewer and fewer rules not of the media's own creation, or at least of its 'assertion'.
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It is with much regret that I will have no other choice but to vote for Hillary.
I don't think she is trustworthy, she does not have the best interests of the voters at heart and is preoccupied with self enrichment.
At least she wont be an embarrassment on the world stage and hopefully wont get us into another war. Sigh.
It's a shame she is the best we have to offer.
I don't think she is trustworthy, she does not have the best interests of the voters at heart and is preoccupied with self enrichment.
At least she wont be an embarrassment on the world stage and hopefully wont get us into another war. Sigh.
It's a shame she is the best we have to offer.
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'party insiders play an outsize role in choosing the nominee.'
Outsize = Unfair: there can be no other interpretation
Outsize = Unfair: there can be no other interpretation
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Congratulations to Nominee Clinton. On to November!
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For many of us Bernie supporters, our now highly-charged awareness of what's going on in the country, in the DNC, and in Hillary Clinton's total hypocrisy and phoniness, makes it impossible ever to vote for her under any circumstances. We do not want her to be president, period.
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There is abundant evidence that "the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice."
The primary system - like the economy and public policy - is rigged by elites and rotten to the core.
Clinton is a big part of that, regardless of denial by the NY Times editorial board. If the Democrats nominate her, they are hopelessly impervious to reform and we need a movement backed third party.
The primary system - like the economy and public policy - is rigged by elites and rotten to the core.
Clinton is a big part of that, regardless of denial by the NY Times editorial board. If the Democrats nominate her, they are hopelessly impervious to reform and we need a movement backed third party.
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While it is true that Hillary needs to convince Sanders voters sheer has their interests at heart and mind, C Sanders supporters need to put on their big people pants and realize that fair or not, Hillary won within the rules of the selection process. There is much more to worry about at this point than the "fairness" of the rules of the game by which all aspirants had to play. Sanders supporters with Hillary supporters can combine to show a worried citizenry of both our country and the world in landslide fashion that we Americans have not collectively lost our minds.
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"Maoist" is when you repeat slogans from the little book, refuse to think, and ask that any thinkers be banished to the countryside for 10 years. I would respectfully caution the Democrats not to imitate the Republicans, more advanced than them in the "Mao-isation" of their party.
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How she won is not the issue. The fact that she represents Big Money instead of the people is the issue. She's just as unacceptable as Trump. She might not be as much of a public disgrace as Trump, unless she gets indicted, but she intends to lead the Nation and the world further toward destruction. It's our patriotic duty to interfere. It would be repugnant to vote for Hillary Clinton.
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"More than any other age group, voters aged 18 to 33 say they believe in the power of ordinary people to influence their government. Overwhelmingly, they say that a fair and inclusive process is more important to them than seeing their favored candidate win."
Yes, but voters in that youngest bracket overwhelmingly supported Berney Sanders -- and many of them don't think that "a fair and inclusive process" is what we got from the Democratic Party or the Main Stream Media.
Yes, but voters in that youngest bracket overwhelmingly supported Berney Sanders -- and many of them don't think that "a fair and inclusive process" is what we got from the Democratic Party or the Main Stream Media.
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The blurb on the NYT e-mail for this editorial is, "It appears Mrs. Clinton will be the first female presidential nominee of a major party, but she needs to convince Sanders followers that she won fairly."
First, she hasn't won yet. Secondly, with documented election fraud, voter suppression, ballot tampering, etc. it's not possible to convince us after the fact that she would have won, had she competed fairly. We can't go back in time.
Going forward, IF Clinton gets the nomination, what can she do? She must convince us that she represents enough of our progressive interests to outweigh her hugely negative record of corruption, war mongering and flip-flopping. There is a reason why her trustworthy rating is the lowest of any candidate this election: She earned it.
All election we've heard about her experience and the horrible things that Trump will do. Clinton's already done horrible things: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Honduras, Ukraine, etc. She's on record saying she will do more. Her record says we should believe her. Trump says he'll deport a lot of people. Clinton is on record supporting Obama, who's deported more people than any other president. Etc., etc. That is her record. Her "hard" choices.
So the NYT is right. She has "hard work" to do. It's on her to earn our vote. It is not on Sanders. There is no more "lesser of two evils" voting for many of us, and plenty who think Trump is the lesser of two evils. Ball's in your court, Mrs. Clinton.
03:25 EST (24 comments)
First, she hasn't won yet. Secondly, with documented election fraud, voter suppression, ballot tampering, etc. it's not possible to convince us after the fact that she would have won, had she competed fairly. We can't go back in time.
Going forward, IF Clinton gets the nomination, what can she do? She must convince us that she represents enough of our progressive interests to outweigh her hugely negative record of corruption, war mongering and flip-flopping. There is a reason why her trustworthy rating is the lowest of any candidate this election: She earned it.
All election we've heard about her experience and the horrible things that Trump will do. Clinton's already done horrible things: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Honduras, Ukraine, etc. She's on record saying she will do more. Her record says we should believe her. Trump says he'll deport a lot of people. Clinton is on record supporting Obama, who's deported more people than any other president. Etc., etc. That is her record. Her "hard" choices.
So the NYT is right. She has "hard work" to do. It's on her to earn our vote. It is not on Sanders. There is no more "lesser of two evils" voting for many of us, and plenty who think Trump is the lesser of two evils. Ball's in your court, Mrs. Clinton.
03:25 EST (24 comments)
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Why does the New York Times Editorial Board's celebration and endorsement of Hillary Clinton's pending nomination sound like the rationale for a candidate the Board didn't endorse, who won over the candidate the Board did endorse, but who the Board now reluctantly and qualifiedly endorses simply because the Board thinks the other party's candidate is even worse?
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Mrs. Clinton is pursuing what may be termed soft line because this is not the time to appease those that that are concerned with issues that stand on lower pedestal. The over all tone of Mrs. Clinton is one of kindness and generosity with a degree of firmness. She does speak the truth as far as it can be projected to the world. To be outrageously frank and harsh might not please all. She is after all a woman of sobriety and dignity and she does not want to be bogged down into controversy.
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The Times excuses itself from its role, along with other mass media, in setting false impressions about Hillary Clinton in the public mind. The Times has avidly repeated every baseless accusation until it caught an aura of fact.
Yes, Hillary needs to work on perceptions, but if the mass media does not see its own role in sucking up to the Republican oppo machine, primarily in pursuit of sales, then the long sad day of our free press continues.
And that's doesn't even mention the press's role in promoting a false contest with Bernie Sanders, another black mark of shame for the Times.
Yes, Hillary needs to work on perceptions, but if the mass media does not see its own role in sucking up to the Republican oppo machine, primarily in pursuit of sales, then the long sad day of our free press continues.
And that's doesn't even mention the press's role in promoting a false contest with Bernie Sanders, another black mark of shame for the Times.
5
I have always loved Bernie Sanders, and I love what he has done for Vermont. However, I do not understand why Bernie supporters continue to talk about how unfair this primary season is. I have seen over and over again the math for both Hillary and Bernie. Hillary has consistently outnumbered Bernie in actual votes. Last I checked, it was around 3.5 million people. Yes, the primary and delegate system need improvement, but for so many to begin complaining NOW, and demanding it be overhauled NOW, is misguided. We must all be involved over the long term, and understand that change happens incrementally in such a diverse country as ours. Word of advice to all who do not vote in local elections or the midterms: VOTE every single time the opportunity arises!
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All the bad news about Hillary Clinton has been "out there" for over a year thanks to the incessant Republican attack machine. Benghazi has been a bust, as it was when Mitt Romney raised it in 2012; the email server seems to be a battle over security classification which I trust Sec. Clinton will soon put to rest; and all the other issues like the Vince Foster suicide and Bill's infidelity are very old news. None of this matters for this now former Bernie backer, when you look at the existential threat that a openly racist bigot with an unstable personality poses to the nation. The issues are almost secondary when you're dealing with a man with little character who, with a seemingly endless Nixon-like "enemies list," reminds us of "the long national nightmare" we suffered the last time we elected a President with a truly dark personality based on an easily wounded sense of grudge, recrimination and retribution. If there's one thing thing we can all trust about Sec. Clinton, it's her sanity and stability under fire.
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Thank you NYT editiorial, pundits and mass media conglomerates who again may have stolen an election for their candidate. We will never know how much it cost Sanders (Dean stream exhaustion) because of first ignoring, then continually slandering and mis representating, then outright coronating who some call the red queen.
What we do know is that media is held in the hands of a few maybe six billionaires and it is a monopoly which needs to be broken down and ownership/licenses be granted to many and representative of we the people not the 1%.
Two party system has gotten too powerful and dysfunctional for democracy.
What we do know is that media is held in the hands of a few maybe six billionaires and it is a monopoly which needs to be broken down and ownership/licenses be granted to many and representative of we the people not the 1%.
Two party system has gotten too powerful and dysfunctional for democracy.
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Bernie Sanders had a chance to be a class act last night by dovetailing his goals with the goals of the Democratic Party and beginning the process of reconciliation needed to guarantee that Donald Trump never becomes President Trump. He chose not to. Despite his own record in the 2008 primaries, despite the will of the voters who chose Sec. Clinton over Sanders, despite democratic principles that Sanders espoused all Spring, despite MATH, Sanders chose to reject what was plain to everyone else but he and his ardent supporters. True, he has a right to do so. He has a right to be foolish and pyrrhic, but I hope he relents before he enables the very forces he claims he opposes. Sanders has already changed from a revolutionary to an insurgent. If he continues in this vein, he will change again, into a pied piper.
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"Needs to convince voters that she won fairly?" What is conceivably not fair about winning in pledged delegates, all delegates and the popular vote. She won fair and square. She may need to convince Sanders supporters who are new to the process and party to come out for her, but that's a different matter.
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Clinton is very close to the White House. Disclosure of Wall Street speeches will not be enough. She needs to be candid about it.
She will also have to be very transparent about the her policies impacting banking and hedge funds and, put the Clinton Foundation in an “escrow account” for eight years.
Hillary Clinton will keep America safe and strengthen our international alliances so will continue to be the first economy of the world in the XXI Century.
She will also have to be very transparent about the her policies impacting banking and hedge funds and, put the Clinton Foundation in an “escrow account” for eight years.
Hillary Clinton will keep America safe and strengthen our international alliances so will continue to be the first economy of the world in the XXI Century.
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I am a Millennial, and though I have been politically engaged for a long time, many of my close peers have not. From observation, I would say that the common finding that young people think Hillary is dishonest, even if found in a poll, is a little misleading. I haven't observed so much that young people think Hillary *in particular* is dishonest but rather that she is part of a long tradition of politicians who, as it were, play the dishonest game of politics.
In Bernie, many young people saw a sort of straight-shooter who refused to play that game. To illustrate, I'd venture the guess that Hillary has been in support of same-sex marriage for a long time, but she only publicly endorsed it when a majority of Americans were in support of it. Bernie voiced support of same-sex marriage decades ago. Hillary played the game of politics as we know it; Bernie refused. Who was wiser? I don't know.
I'm not sure about young people not turning out for the election just because Bernie has lost the nomination. The craziness of the primaries on both sides has galvanized the country and made young people more politically engaged. I know many young people who voted for Bernie in the primary, and now they all plan to vote for Hillary in the general. Only time will tell, I suppose.
In Bernie, many young people saw a sort of straight-shooter who refused to play that game. To illustrate, I'd venture the guess that Hillary has been in support of same-sex marriage for a long time, but she only publicly endorsed it when a majority of Americans were in support of it. Bernie voiced support of same-sex marriage decades ago. Hillary played the game of politics as we know it; Bernie refused. Who was wiser? I don't know.
I'm not sure about young people not turning out for the election just because Bernie has lost the nomination. The craziness of the primaries on both sides has galvanized the country and made young people more politically engaged. I know many young people who voted for Bernie in the primary, and now they all plan to vote for Hillary in the general. Only time will tell, I suppose.
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Whenever someone tells me that they dislike Hillary Clinton, I always ask them why. Many times, it's a woman who tell me this. But what I hear over and over is that they do not trust her. Usually, they know little about her formidable career and successes before she ever married Bill Clinton. What has happened to Mrs. Clinton is an assault upon her character by a republican machine determined to deny her any chance of being president. It began in January 1993 and continues to this day. Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it's true. Oddly, this doesn't seem to happen to male political figures. This is political misogyny .
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Duh. Unification is not in the cards. Warren as VP also not, there is zero common ground between the two. Fissures will rapidly expand to cracks, if not already.
Why? Because Sanders' supporters are correct: the process was indeed rigged from the get-go. It was rigged to silence Biden, and because of miscalculations and much too late in the process, Sanders. Two dirty tricks in recent days, both calculated news leaks, confirm not just the complete lack of good faith within the HRC camp, but also no willingness to accommodate Sander beyond arm-wringing. The first was the leak about Obama planning to endorse HRC, the second about her clinching the nomination. Both highly dubious in their information value, in that they served no role other than influence voters and coerce Sanders to throw in the towel. Worse, with news out that Obama will meet Sanders, the Obama report appears suspect, at least partially.
Understandably Sanders’ camp is mad, now they’re roaring to get even. No stopping them now, it is, after all, so amazingly easy. If one thought the Republicans were making fools of themselves on national TV, one ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. Grab popcorn, enjoy the show!
Why? Because Sanders' supporters are correct: the process was indeed rigged from the get-go. It was rigged to silence Biden, and because of miscalculations and much too late in the process, Sanders. Two dirty tricks in recent days, both calculated news leaks, confirm not just the complete lack of good faith within the HRC camp, but also no willingness to accommodate Sander beyond arm-wringing. The first was the leak about Obama planning to endorse HRC, the second about her clinching the nomination. Both highly dubious in their information value, in that they served no role other than influence voters and coerce Sanders to throw in the towel. Worse, with news out that Obama will meet Sanders, the Obama report appears suspect, at least partially.
Understandably Sanders’ camp is mad, now they’re roaring to get even. No stopping them now, it is, after all, so amazingly easy. If one thought the Republicans were making fools of themselves on national TV, one ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. Grab popcorn, enjoy the show!
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If any man in this dismal race had been accused of threatening to bring down the republic by and ill-advised, but certainly not criminal, use of email, most of the politicians and pundits and angry voters would be like, "Whatever." So as thrilled as I am, and will continue to be, I am bracing myself for a barrage of vitriol be men such as Donald Trump who has skated on the thinnest possible edge of legality who really, really should not be trusted, who is really, really shady, who is one of the "wise guys."
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It is clear to me now that Sanders supporters are not interested in the Democratic Process. They feel that Bernie is the right man for the job and even though the majority of Democrats voted for her, somehow, he deserves the nomination. Were Bernie and Hillary's positions reversed, I am certain that they would be calling for her to get out of the race. I voted for Hillary in the end because though Sanders has wonderful ideas, he has no idea how to pay for them, when confronted by the press about costs he merely mumbles that yes it would be likely everyone's taxes would go up. Not to mention that most economists say his numbers don't add up.
If Bernie didn't like the democratic party rules, he should have run where he has been his entire career as an independent. To hear Bernie supporters grouse, complain and make the same accusations as Trump tells me that you are really not for Democratic principles, you are for rule by your guy no matter what the voters said. Given that, Trump absolutely should be your candidate in the election as he most stands for your principles.
If Bernie didn't like the democratic party rules, he should have run where he has been his entire career as an independent. To hear Bernie supporters grouse, complain and make the same accusations as Trump tells me that you are really not for Democratic principles, you are for rule by your guy no matter what the voters said. Given that, Trump absolutely should be your candidate in the election as he most stands for your principles.
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Like many Sanders supporters, I posted comments calling for investigation into the "who, what, where, why and how" of this ap calling the nomination for Hillary fiasco. In my comments, echoing others' sentiments, I suggested any failure on the Times' part to aggressively sort this out would further discredit the Times' already compromised integrity.
Here is the telling part of the report:
"On Monday, [ap's] chief delegate reporter, Stephen Ohlemacher, said that after days of nonstop calls to superdelegates, he had received enough commitments to support Mrs. Clinton for her to clinch the nomination."
This ap fellow Ohlemacher, in other words, determined to obtain "enough commitments to support Mrs Clinton..." secured these commitments through days of nonstop efforts to do so.
Here's a video of this nasty, obviously emotionally troubled (and openly anti-Sanders, blatantly advocating for Clinton) guy:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/despite-nh-loss-dem-insiders-boost-clinton...
The picture is very clear, and very sad and pathetic.
Here is the telling part of the report:
"On Monday, [ap's] chief delegate reporter, Stephen Ohlemacher, said that after days of nonstop calls to superdelegates, he had received enough commitments to support Mrs. Clinton for her to clinch the nomination."
This ap fellow Ohlemacher, in other words, determined to obtain "enough commitments to support Mrs Clinton..." secured these commitments through days of nonstop efforts to do so.
Here's a video of this nasty, obviously emotionally troubled (and openly anti-Sanders, blatantly advocating for Clinton) guy:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/despite-nh-loss-dem-insiders-boost-clinton...
The picture is very clear, and very sad and pathetic.
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I think most people have accepted years ago that a woman can be president but that doesn't mean it needs to be Hilary or that it needs to be right now. If Hilary is the nominee she is going to have a hard time debating Trump. He may be a racist, etc but those are only words where as Hilary as set in motion policy that has caused the deaths of thousands and created millions of refugees. She apparently has issues with clearly stating the truth, and taking money from people she says she is going to bring to heal. Bernie is still the candidate who could defeat Trump and it's still too soon to use the word "Triumph".
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It use to be when you won the primaries decisively you get to set the agenda of your own Party. It was the losing candidate that came to you and conceded defeat. Democrats in the last two major states, by overwhelming majorities, have cast their final votes for Hillary. In 2008, it was Hillary that recognized the math was not there and graciously conceded defeat and threw her full support behind Obama. No one campaigned harder from him during the general election. Today this country faces not a more moderate and reasonable McCain, but a wildly erratic and dangerously divisive candidate in Donald Trump. Today the celebration should be that a completely prepared and qualified women heads the national ticket of the Democratic Party. Instead the NYT who has always demonstrated a dislike for the Clintons comes up with an unbelievable editorial indicating that it is Mrs. Clinton who should come begging on her hands and knees to the Sander supporters. Shameful and unbelievable.
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I think that the press, among others, share a responsibility with candidates to explain how and why Hillary Clinton's securing of this nomination was fair.
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Hillary Clinton made history tonight. An adept politician would have recognized it and offered to join with her to move the country forward. That Bernie Sanders was unable to do this illustrates why he has accomplished very little in Congress all these years. His ideals may be admirable, but his tactics are wanting. Perhaps President Obama can talk some sense into him on Thursday.
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Hillary Clinton is the most qualified to be President of the Untied States -- it's a federal job that has the defense of the country as the major duty.
No one else is qualified in foreign affairs. Trump and Sanders are fighting for who in America should get the most money -- that's about it.
No one else is qualified in foreign affairs. Trump and Sanders are fighting for who in America should get the most money -- that's about it.
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Yes, it is vital that HRC now get Sanders' supporters to line up behind her.
But judging from the comments section on today's lead story, that looks like an uphill struggle.
Many Clintonistas seem to be of the view that abuse is an attractive lure for Sanders' supporters. If that is the tone of the conversations going on around the dinner table and in the workplace, expect the Sanders block to stay home in November.
Try magnanimity, Clintonistas. You might like it.
But judging from the comments section on today's lead story, that looks like an uphill struggle.
Many Clintonistas seem to be of the view that abuse is an attractive lure for Sanders' supporters. If that is the tone of the conversations going on around the dinner table and in the workplace, expect the Sanders block to stay home in November.
Try magnanimity, Clintonistas. You might like it.
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It's a joke that seems to make the rounds every election cycle, but few can dispute it's finally come to pass: we really will be voting for the lesser of two evils. Let's print the ballots out on two-ply so they're not a total waste.
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Europeans view the narrow political spectrum of the US with dismay since it allows no new ideas about the future into the political discussion. Certainly a presidential election demands discussion about things other than the instability and dishonesty of the candidates.
Only third parties can widen the political debate. Hopefully in 2016.
Only third parties can widen the political debate. Hopefully in 2016.
So to deny a victory to the Donald, we must rally behind the second worst candidate. How appealing. If this all goes pear-shaped, and we actually end up with a President Trump, the Times (along with many other Hillary boosters) will have some serious soul-searching to do. "Hillary or Bust" is all fine and good, until it actually goes bust.
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I cannot get excited by Hillary Clinton's victory because I question whether she would have ever gained this nomination were she not the wife of a former president. I would much rather see a woman who won on her own merits, without ties to hedge funds and other corporate ilk.
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Americans need to wake up. First, Bernie has been on the public dole for decades and hasn't accomplished anything. Same with Drump, his daddy made all the money off of ranch houses for the GI Bill. I guess government was fantastic then when you are benefiting from it and the bankruptcy laws under ?Bush made sure corporations were covered but not an individual.
And what exactly has made Hillary "untrustworthy"? I'm thinking if she ever had a medical procedure, it would on YouTube. She put herself through the ringer for decades.
We have troops protecting the entire globe and we are about to elect a fraud with a PROVEN record of failure and horrible judgement. And his adviser is the voices of himself.
And the best Paul Ryan can do is say he personally doesn't agree with his racist, sexist comments but will cast a vote for him because we have been so successful in governance, we can change him to normal? Doubtful.
Sanders brought up good points but universities pat millions of dollars to football coaches, not professors. They are not giving up their billions for free tuition. And we are the only civilized country without universal health care. It's easy to cast a vote against aca when you hit the lottery with being elected twice and the rest of us pick up the tab.
And all of these states who don't want to pay a nickel are the first to cry when there's a flood or tornado or a wild fire. Try shooting at those things.
And what exactly has made Hillary "untrustworthy"? I'm thinking if she ever had a medical procedure, it would on YouTube. She put herself through the ringer for decades.
We have troops protecting the entire globe and we are about to elect a fraud with a PROVEN record of failure and horrible judgement. And his adviser is the voices of himself.
And the best Paul Ryan can do is say he personally doesn't agree with his racist, sexist comments but will cast a vote for him because we have been so successful in governance, we can change him to normal? Doubtful.
Sanders brought up good points but universities pat millions of dollars to football coaches, not professors. They are not giving up their billions for free tuition. And we are the only civilized country without universal health care. It's easy to cast a vote against aca when you hit the lottery with being elected twice and the rest of us pick up the tab.
And all of these states who don't want to pay a nickel are the first to cry when there's a flood or tornado or a wild fire. Try shooting at those things.
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With regard to Clinton releasing transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall Street, I wonder if she even has a say in the matter. Why? Well, suppose you pay someone (a lawyer, a stockbroker, etc.) for advice. Would you be upset if that person then disclosed/gave away that advice for free? Of course you would. So, to prevent that from happening, you put a clause in the contact. If I were one of the parties on Wall Street that paid a lot of money to hear what Clinton had to say, would I be upset if she released the transcripts? Sure! So I would bet that Clinton is prohibited by the terms of her agreements with the Wall Street firms from disclosing the transcripts for any reason at all, other than a legal (not a moral or a politically expedient) obligation. If she is prohibited from releasing them, then she should say so.
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Bernie Sanders--a man with admirable goals and unworkable plans. Will he be Hillary Clinton's Ralph Nader--delivering our country to the Don? I sincerely hope not, but fear it may be so.
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"This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment..."
No it isn't. Voters did not simply back Bernie's "demands", they backed his basic platform that nothing in America can be solved until campaign finance reforms are instituted and big-money influence is removed from Washington politics. It really is that simple. Now we will have Hillary and none of those reforms. So nothing will really get any better.
Which is apparently fine with the elite establishment that owns the New York Times and directs its editorial. Your biased use of language today ("burden", "stubbornly", "die-hard") used to describe Sanders and his supporters is flagrant and egregious and has collied the paper's reputation. Bernie Sanders fights on because he is fighting for us, against you, and we are proud of him. An honest man with solid experience and proven wisdom is still an option, a rare option, and that is simple too precious to give up at this point.
No it isn't. Voters did not simply back Bernie's "demands", they backed his basic platform that nothing in America can be solved until campaign finance reforms are instituted and big-money influence is removed from Washington politics. It really is that simple. Now we will have Hillary and none of those reforms. So nothing will really get any better.
Which is apparently fine with the elite establishment that owns the New York Times and directs its editorial. Your biased use of language today ("burden", "stubbornly", "die-hard") used to describe Sanders and his supporters is flagrant and egregious and has collied the paper's reputation. Bernie Sanders fights on because he is fighting for us, against you, and we are proud of him. An honest man with solid experience and proven wisdom is still an option, a rare option, and that is simple too precious to give up at this point.
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Sanders voters would do well to actually read and understand college loan policies and education grants. If you play the game properly, you can pretty much go to college for free, depending upon the years of school you want to undertake.
As for super delegates, they saved the Democrats. The GOP would do well to use the same system. It would have probably saved it from Trump.
As for super delegates, they saved the Democrats. The GOP would do well to use the same system. It would have probably saved it from Trump.
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If you want the hatefully exclusionary presidency of Donald Trump, then continue to assault the record of Clinton, who represents the inclusionary centrist vision of most Americans. And consider especially under whose command you wish the armed forces of our country and in whose hands you wish its foreign policy.
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Mrs. Clinton's quest is a remarkable and long overdue achievement, but let's not canonize Mrs. Clinton just yet. There is a lot to come before the general election.
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I don't see how Clinton can reach out to Berners. She offers more of the same, not any kind of progressive change. As to the platform, nobody ever follows those, anyway.
Mr Sanders claims to lead a movement that includes changing the Democratic Party nomination process. If he serious about this, then he will work to ensure that his supporters turn out for Ms Clinton.
He has little choice. If he sulks in his tent and Mr Trump becomes president, Mr Sanders will be a pariah to Democrats. If Ms Clinton wins anyway, his influence will wane. Only by actively playing a role in a Clinton victory, can Mr Sanders and his supporters demand a seat at the table.
It's Mr Sanders who has to do the convincing. His most dedicated supporters won't listen to Ms Clinton -- he had all but assured that -- and the rest will vote for her anyway.
He has little choice. If he sulks in his tent and Mr Trump becomes president, Mr Sanders will be a pariah to Democrats. If Ms Clinton wins anyway, his influence will wane. Only by actively playing a role in a Clinton victory, can Mr Sanders and his supporters demand a seat at the table.
It's Mr Sanders who has to do the convincing. His most dedicated supporters won't listen to Ms Clinton -- he had all but assured that -- and the rest will vote for her anyway.
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Shame on me, I did it again. Like I voted for Obama because I wanted a Black President, thinking it would serve as a roll model for disenfranchised Blacks, I voted for him knowing he lacked Governmental experience & in particular experience in foreign policy.Sadly, I must admit I made a mistake. His Foreign Policy is in shambles, & Black youth remain Disenfranchised.
Now I voted for Clinton, because I believed it was time to have a Woman President. Knowing that I voted for the corrupt Status Quo, & a soiled candidate.I voted for her because we must defeat Trump & the reactionary Republican party, & replace Scalia with a progressive Judge, as usual, I voted for the lesser of two evils.Unfortunately, whist choice did I have.
Now I voted for Clinton, because I believed it was time to have a Woman President. Knowing that I voted for the corrupt Status Quo, & a soiled candidate.I voted for her because we must defeat Trump & the reactionary Republican party, & replace Scalia with a progressive Judge, as usual, I voted for the lesser of two evils.Unfortunately, whist choice did I have.
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The title of this article says it all. Why on Earth should I have to be convinced of anything?
Because it is a lie.
Truth needs no explanation.
Because it is a lie.
Truth needs no explanation.
A generation of young Sanders' supporters are on the verge of experiencing a life-long learning of ONE of TWO bedrock American political attributes, the first is, how ugly political noble dreams can be depicted by partisans and how slowly and painfully noble ideas make their way into our political discourse, into real politics and finally into progressive American law. The second potential lesson is how how coldly and indifferently history treats squandered political power and dreams.
Let's hope Democrats seize the day.
Let's hope Democrats seize the day.
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Each time an editorial like this appears in any newspaper, and particularly in The New York Times, it fuels the outrageous nonsense spread by some ardent supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders. By now, the rumor that somehow, in some unspecified way, Hillary Clinton and leaders of the Democratic Party stole the nomination from Sanders should have been laid to rest.
It is up to reporters, columnists and commentators to disabuse Sanders supporters – if that is even possible – of the false notion that the Clinton nomination is tainted. Don’t put the onus on Mrs. Clinton to do the job which good journalists should have done.
This editorial takes other swipes at Hillary Clinton, especially regarding the email flap. Mrs. Clinton has said that she was unaware that she was not permitted to communicate with her office by email from home. She has expressed regrets, but how can she do more with the threat of an indictment being tossed around by every Republican politician in the land.
It’s time for some better investigative journalism into the background of the Inspector General and into the question of political influence playing a role in raising and re-raising the email issue to coincide with the election season. Why hasn’t the F.B.I. acted or the Attorney General? If The New York Times is being stonewalled by the government, it’s long past time to say so.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump discloses nothing.
It is up to reporters, columnists and commentators to disabuse Sanders supporters – if that is even possible – of the false notion that the Clinton nomination is tainted. Don’t put the onus on Mrs. Clinton to do the job which good journalists should have done.
This editorial takes other swipes at Hillary Clinton, especially regarding the email flap. Mrs. Clinton has said that she was unaware that she was not permitted to communicate with her office by email from home. She has expressed regrets, but how can she do more with the threat of an indictment being tossed around by every Republican politician in the land.
It’s time for some better investigative journalism into the background of the Inspector General and into the question of political influence playing a role in raising and re-raising the email issue to coincide with the election season. Why hasn’t the F.B.I. acted or the Attorney General? If The New York Times is being stonewalled by the government, it’s long past time to say so.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump discloses nothing.
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The Sanders supporters crying foul aren't rational. How does one convince uninformed conspiracists that this is the election process for the Democrat party and American Democrats have chosen their candidate?
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See you in 4 years, when the situation of the middle class will be exactly the same as now and many of Clinton voters will not be here anymore. I hope Bernie will be still with us to tell everybody the way things really are.
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"Among some of his supporters there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice.
"This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment, but Mrs. Clinton must address it. "
No, it's not an accurate assessment. The party's leaders and the New York Times conspired to deprive them of their choice. Had the Times and other media outlets not dismissed Sanders early on and endorsed Hillary from the beginning, Sanders might have done much better earlier in the race. when Trump becomes president, we all may regret that, but it will be too late.
"This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment, but Mrs. Clinton must address it. "
No, it's not an accurate assessment. The party's leaders and the New York Times conspired to deprive them of their choice. Had the Times and other media outlets not dismissed Sanders early on and endorsed Hillary from the beginning, Sanders might have done much better earlier in the race. when Trump becomes president, we all may regret that, but it will be too late.
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I drove my daughter's mail-in ballot to her campus at UCSC (Santa Cruz CA). We live in an adjacent county. They said they stopped accepting out-of-county ballots at 3:00PM. It was 7:30 so she could not vote. They said someone came by and picked up the box and left with it. Apparently many people were likewise disenfranchised.
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Seriously?
I liked Bernie but the only large state he could carry was Michigan. He got clobbered in most of the big stated, e.g. Florida, Texas, NY, Virginis! North Carolins, Ohio, etc.
HRC might not carry them but she's got a chance to winmost perhaps big. Tonight's washout in Californis and New a jersey was probably Sanders high water mark. His wins tended to be small caucus states.
I liked Bernie but the only large state he could carry was Michigan. He got clobbered in most of the big stated, e.g. Florida, Texas, NY, Virginis! North Carolins, Ohio, etc.
HRC might not carry them but she's got a chance to winmost perhaps big. Tonight's washout in Californis and New a jersey was probably Sanders high water mark. His wins tended to be small caucus states.
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I never listen to smooth jazz on my own. Neither does my son (bear with me, I will get to the point), yet when we are in the car together, if we can't agree on what to listen to, we do listen to smooth jazz. So it is with the often un-smooth Mrs Clinton. I think she will prove to be an agreeable compromise to any voter with a shred of sense. To quote from a decidedly not-smooth source, and one from which the radio station is never hanged, "you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need." I voted for Bernie. I sent money to his campaign. It's over and we need Mrs Clinton.
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Again, it's not Hillary''s burden. Sanders proved what a small man he is when he refused to acknowledge her historical win last night, and she crushed him in CA. It's his burden to undo the rampant misogyny, arrogance and spitefulness. Shame on him for belittling the collective will of the primary voters.
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You will never convince me that the election wasn’t rigged by the corporate media that ignored Bernie and the issues he ran on. The corporate media was more interested in how many delegates they had rather than discussing the issues. It seemed like the corporate media had five Hillary supporters on to every one Bernie supporter.
You will never convince me that the DNC didn’t rig the election to favor Hillary.
Hillary CAN’T release the transcripts of her speeches to Wall Street because if she did, it would confirm everything we’ve always believed about her – that she’ll cater to Wall Street instead of us.
Hillary will just be another four years of Obama and it is Obama’s lousy economy that gave us Donald Trump.
You will never convince me that the DNC didn’t rig the election to favor Hillary.
Hillary CAN’T release the transcripts of her speeches to Wall Street because if she did, it would confirm everything we’ve always believed about her – that she’ll cater to Wall Street instead of us.
Hillary will just be another four years of Obama and it is Obama’s lousy economy that gave us Donald Trump.
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Shame of Bernie Sanders not being man enough to recognize Hillary Clinton she beat him in California fair and square.
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I liked Sanders a lot and would, most likely have voted for him.
However, Bernie, fairness is fairness. If you really care about this country, step aside now so that Hillary can finish this process of moving toward the election without having to fight you as well as Trump. Give her a break, put aside your own ego and encourage your followers to support her. Your spirit, words and actions lately, Bernie, have been disappointing in someone whom I thought had the wisdom and outlook to lead this country to a better place.
However, Bernie, fairness is fairness. If you really care about this country, step aside now so that Hillary can finish this process of moving toward the election without having to fight you as well as Trump. Give her a break, put aside your own ego and encourage your followers to support her. Your spirit, words and actions lately, Bernie, have been disappointing in someone whom I thought had the wisdom and outlook to lead this country to a better place.
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Hillary Clinton is set to make history as the first presidential nominee of a major political party to be under investigation by the FBI.
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Sanders is solely responsible for his supporters's skewed understanding of Hillary Clinton. He is guilty of framing his message and ultimately how the Millennial would come to know Mrs. Clinton, and accept blindly their understanding of who Hillary Clinton is.
Sanders used outright lies and exaggerated and licentious innuendo whenever he had an opportunity to define who he imagined Hillary Clinton to be. All the while as an entire generation were making up their minds. And his sly way of associating Hillary Clinton with Wall Street, and then, as if reading from a cue card, would attribute Wall Street to being responsible for their mounting Student Loan Debt troubles. Ergo-Hillary is behind their Debt debacle. Hillary is bad, the enemy, worthy of one's disdain.
And now we're to imagine these same Sanders manipulated Millennials are supposed to support Hillary? I don't think so, especially as Sanders continues to fuel their hopes of free things if he gets elected or maybe some 'big job' in Hillary's Cabinet. And why won't he come around? Because he needs their VISA donations to pay his ticket to the Convention in July. He wants the Millennials to keep that $$$$$$$ coming in. He's a predator. He used the Democratic Party for their name only apparently. And when he should have manned up and joined Hillary last night once it was clear he'd been whooped handily, he didn't. Apparently, this deceiver gets some kind of crazy rush looking out at those young believers.
Sanders used outright lies and exaggerated and licentious innuendo whenever he had an opportunity to define who he imagined Hillary Clinton to be. All the while as an entire generation were making up their minds. And his sly way of associating Hillary Clinton with Wall Street, and then, as if reading from a cue card, would attribute Wall Street to being responsible for their mounting Student Loan Debt troubles. Ergo-Hillary is behind their Debt debacle. Hillary is bad, the enemy, worthy of one's disdain.
And now we're to imagine these same Sanders manipulated Millennials are supposed to support Hillary? I don't think so, especially as Sanders continues to fuel their hopes of free things if he gets elected or maybe some 'big job' in Hillary's Cabinet. And why won't he come around? Because he needs their VISA donations to pay his ticket to the Convention in July. He wants the Millennials to keep that $$$$$$$ coming in. He's a predator. He used the Democratic Party for their name only apparently. And when he should have manned up and joined Hillary last night once it was clear he'd been whooped handily, he didn't. Apparently, this deceiver gets some kind of crazy rush looking out at those young believers.
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The attacks 'from the left' keep coming at Hillary, but their tone has little in common with the speeches of Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. I am recognizing a familiar format of little bits of tortuously revised history interwoven with gossipy-innuendo and outright fabrications. Denunciations of Hillary as a 'stooge of Wall Street' for her reasonable acknowledgement that Wall Street has a right to exist hold about as much water as denunciations of Obama as a 'secret Muslim' for speaking out against religious xenophobia, or as a 'Radical Socialist' for his support of a more equitable tax structure... (hmmmm...)
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Secretary Clinton has absolutely nothing to prove. This editorial clearly demonstrates the saw that women (and minorities) have to work twice has hard to be perceived as half as good (as white men). Fortunately, as one wise women said, this is not hard...even if the New York Times piles on. Go forth, Mrs. Clinton and don't look back.
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Hillary Clinton is also set to make history as the first presidential nominee of a major political party to be under investigation by the FBI.
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Hillary's burden? How about Debbie Wasserman Schultz's burden? The DNC needs to get to work wooing Sanders supporters. They've got to put their money where the votes are hiding. The stakes must be clear. However Clinton got to where she is today, she is now our candidate, and if the Republicans can get behind Trump, Sanders supporters should be able to get behind Hillary.
It's lesser of two evils time again. Get with the program.
It's lesser of two evils time again. Get with the program.
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You can love or hate Hilary Clinton. That's fine. But, please Don't let Donald Trump win this election. Vote smart.
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Why the constant double standards NYTimes? One set for Clinton and another for the men. Where are Bernie Sanders taxes? He too is untrustworthy if he says one thing and does another. To all the folks that think the NYTimes is enamored of Clinton, we must be reading different newspapers. This entire election every article reads like the one above, "we can't trust her because of . . . " The same tired Republican talking points for the past 2 decades. If the NYTimes is her friend, she needs no enemies.
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A low turnout has indeed historically favored Republicans. So too does the swing of the pendulum: winning a third successive Democratic presidential is as rare as honor among thieves or logic among sour old white men.
Clinton's burden includes the decades of calumny engineered by people like Richard Mellon Scaife and Roger Ailes. This is also America's burden; we don't understand it well enough, but we watch many of our young buy it as if it were gospel. We've moved from Rooster Cogburn to Dirty Harry. We’ve progressed from The Longest Day to the faux war of Heartbreak Ridge (Grenada version). We’ve relegated honor to impossible comic-book heroes. We’ve anointed a sad, vile sequence like Gordon Gekko, Bobby Axelrod, and the Underwood couple. We binge on Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Game of Thrones. Yet, PBS can’t seem to slake the thirst for As Time Goes By and Keeping UP Appearances.
Part of HRC’s burden is to win. Otherwise we’ll be looking at Hollywood versions of the Orange Don for years to come, and big Pharma will sell us pills for the head-spins we’ll get from all those great deals he’ll do.
Clinton's burden includes the decades of calumny engineered by people like Richard Mellon Scaife and Roger Ailes. This is also America's burden; we don't understand it well enough, but we watch many of our young buy it as if it were gospel. We've moved from Rooster Cogburn to Dirty Harry. We’ve progressed from The Longest Day to the faux war of Heartbreak Ridge (Grenada version). We’ve relegated honor to impossible comic-book heroes. We’ve anointed a sad, vile sequence like Gordon Gekko, Bobby Axelrod, and the Underwood couple. We binge on Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Game of Thrones. Yet, PBS can’t seem to slake the thirst for As Time Goes By and Keeping UP Appearances.
Part of HRC’s burden is to win. Otherwise we’ll be looking at Hollywood versions of the Orange Don for years to come, and big Pharma will sell us pills for the head-spins we’ll get from all those great deals he’ll do.
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She "needs to convince" Sanders and his supporters that she won fairly?? Seriously?? What else do they need to be convinced of? That the world is round?? That grownups are expected to be gracious in defeat and intelligent in supporting a qualified candidate to avoid one who is a hollow blowhard?
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Sanders' supporters mantra is a recitations of slogans that pass for "facts". You cannot argue with that. Hillary is a "hawk"? What does it mean, besides voting for the Iraq war which she admitted was a mistake? It means that she advocates for a strong American role in the world. And this is bad thing because...? Some comments below actually blame her for Putin's aggression in Ukraine, which she supposedly "provoked"! Libya is a more complicated case but those armchair accusers wouldn't be able to find Libya on the map, let alone explain who is fighting whom there, and why. What about Daesh? Should America just let that cancer spread throughout the Midle East? The mindset of the reflexive liberal is a mirror reflection of the mindset of the reflexive warmonger. The latter sees everything as a just cause for intervention; the former sees nothing. Genocide, illegal invasions of sovereign countries, instability - America should just turn away from the world and pretend it is not happening. Sorry but there is only one planet Earth and the US is part of it.
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Hillary Clinton's politics is just about the same as John McCain's, and to the right of Richard Nixon. Jill Stein is more of a match to my politics. For me, switching to Hillary is not really reflective of my views, so it is not really a choice. This debate about trying to get Sanders supporters to back Clinton is a bit weird. Why would I back a warmonger who is beholden to Wall Street and who believes corporations are people? That's not even in the cards.
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Count this letter as another woman sick of hearing how women always have to placate the men. Clinton obviously won fair -- by the rules -- it is time for the Bernie boys to grow up.
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There is one person responsible for pulling the Democratic party together, and that one person is Bernie Sanders. He needs to take a look at Hillary Clinton's gracious acceptance of Obama's clinching the Democratic nomination 8 years ago.
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Bernie moved over to be a Democrat to run for the office knowing what the rules were; they were already in place whether we like them or not. I don't. BUT they're in place for this campaign and I wish we would hear no more whining, ranting, or threatening about "unfairness". Hillary has won fair and square. Let's get on with it.
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Bernie pulled Hillary to the left. Had the two not been arguing real policy issues there would have been news that is fit to print in the whole primary season. The NYT gets pretty boring without real dollops of fit-to-print news at least every other day, or so.
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This here 59 year old lifelong Democrat will be abandoning the Democratic Party, and will not be voting for Hillary Clinton. From my perspective, she is as dangerous as Trump. The DNC no longer exemplifies the values of FDR, JFK, LBJ, RFK, and MLK. Now, it's all about the corrupt HRC. No thank you. She can lose to Trump, thank you very much. If you can't provide me with a candidate who won't be under perpetual investigation and who lies at the drop of a hat, I can't help save your party.
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If the stubborn Bernie supporters stay home they just may have Trump to contend with. And, they think they have it bad now?
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Why is it considered "jumping through hoops" to register as a Democrat or Republican to vote in a primary? Why shouldn't primary voters be members of the party who support it and are concerned with the candidates at all levels of government. And while I agree that the primary and CAUCUS systems should be reevaluated let's not continue the fairy tale that Hillary won because of the super delegates.
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I survived Reagan, but never forgave my husband for voting for Anderson. If you don't, then you don't know enough to make an informed decision.
Senator Sanders never advocated workers' ownership of the means of production. If you don't understand socialism, then you have been fooled again.
Sorry to sound harsh, but I was raised in the sixties and I learned not to follow children.
Senator Sanders never advocated workers' ownership of the means of production. If you don't understand socialism, then you have been fooled again.
Sorry to sound harsh, but I was raised in the sixties and I learned not to follow children.
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Pretty laughable now for The TIMES to say that "there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party's leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice." when just days ago we had the most blatant example, which The Times eagerly signed onto.... declaring Hillary the winner on the basis of secret calls to super-delegates, guaranteed confidentiality. And all of us watched at the , insisted that she was, "of course", the presumed nominee... how they looked at Sanders, initially with bemused condescension, later by ignoring. Why on earth would a generation entering their first participation in our voting process NOT have "lingering frustration"? I'd say that's quite a euphemism for what they really see: a convoluted, rigged, and corrupt system. Hillary will have a monumental task to get past that.
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Dear Sanders supporters,
If Sanders hadn't ever run, who would you have supported for the Democratic presidential nominee? Who did you vote for in past elections?
All presidential nominees are a compromise, as it would be rare to find a single candidate who held all of your views. As an example, some may have liked Sanders progressive views on how to tackle income inequality, but had difficulties with his stance on gun control.
Once you realize that all candidates have views that you don't necessarily agree with, think carefully about this decision. President Trump or President Clinton? Do your "Sanders-type" progressive views really jibe with Trump's idiocracy?
If Sanders hadn't ever run, who would you have supported for the Democratic presidential nominee? Who did you vote for in past elections?
All presidential nominees are a compromise, as it would be rare to find a single candidate who held all of your views. As an example, some may have liked Sanders progressive views on how to tackle income inequality, but had difficulties with his stance on gun control.
Once you realize that all candidates have views that you don't necessarily agree with, think carefully about this decision. President Trump or President Clinton? Do your "Sanders-type" progressive views really jibe with Trump's idiocracy?
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Clinton should make Sanders her VP running mate as it is the ONLY way to insure that Trump does not become president. Like Biden, Sanders is a veteran Senator and clearly is qualified to the lead the country if the need arose. She really doesn't need anyone else as VP and she could give him responsibility for a few of the issues, where they basically agree, that he is so passionate about. If she is a true patriot who loves her country she will do this for the greater good, just as Obama did when he made her Secretary of State. Trump must NEVER be allowed to succeed. Just do it, Hillary!
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The Democratic party might want to lower their sights to a more practical level to win this election. I will have to really hold my nose to vote for HRC and I will NEVER be “enthusiastic” about her, but I will vote for her because Trump poses a truly awful and very real threat to our country.
As a middle-aged woman, and Democratic voter to boot, I would love to see a woman president but I would prefer one with integrity and good judgement. But when the Barbarians are at the door you hold your nose and do what you have to do in the voting booth.
As a middle-aged woman, and Democratic voter to boot, I would love to see a woman president but I would prefer one with integrity and good judgement. But when the Barbarians are at the door you hold your nose and do what you have to do in the voting booth.
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This is well balanced critique of the steps ahead of Hillary Clinton and her efforts to win the Presidency. You have presented the requirements as you see them and they make sense to me.
This isn't just about a woman for President, but also about a nation realizing their responsibility and rationalizing their choice. If you say you don't trust Hillary, are you saying you trust Trump? You cannot run this country on braggadocio, inaccuracy and the litany of non-leadership qualities he has offered us. That isn't how successful leadership works.
Let's get behind Hillary and offer her not only the Presidency, but also a Congress that will support her. The Congress is very, very important.
This isn't just about a woman for President, but also about a nation realizing their responsibility and rationalizing their choice. If you say you don't trust Hillary, are you saying you trust Trump? You cannot run this country on braggadocio, inaccuracy and the litany of non-leadership qualities he has offered us. That isn't how successful leadership works.
Let's get behind Hillary and offer her not only the Presidency, but also a Congress that will support her. The Congress is very, very important.
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Sanders supporters, please take note: not voting for Hillary IS voting for Trump. It is difficult of course, as Hillary supporters learned in 2008, to do the right thing but do you really want to regret your refusal to vote for her during four years of an eradict, divisive and offensive presidency? If your answer is yes, than you are not truly a progressive nor a Democrat. For love of country, not a candidate, please take the high road!
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if these are hot topics to the NYT..."The general election campaign will afford Mrs. Clinton more room to expand on her ideas for lowering health care costs, managing college debt and addressing income inequality.", why are you even talking about democrats.
you'd have to admit, the last 8 years have been a huge failure in every one of those items. ACA, cost wise (both premium and deductible) is atrocious.
and college debt gets worse and worse the more govt get's it's nose under the tent.
What do you all expect to happen to costs if the govt guarantees everything. Of course ACA insurance companies will raise costs. Ditto university's, if the bottomless govt is financing these items.
you'd have to admit, the last 8 years have been a huge failure in every one of those items. ACA, cost wise (both premium and deductible) is atrocious.
and college debt gets worse and worse the more govt get's it's nose under the tent.
What do you all expect to happen to costs if the govt guarantees everything. Of course ACA insurance companies will raise costs. Ditto university's, if the bottomless govt is financing these items.
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"Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston Churchill
Who knew he was talking about the 2016 election in America?
Who knew he was talking about the 2016 election in America?
Mrs. Clinton does not need to be more accessible to an irrationally hostile press.
The fourth estate has forfeited any pretense of journalism in this election cycle, "Trump is bad for America but great for news...all Trump all the time" seems to be the mantra. She is better off staying away from a media desperate for an outrage du jour to sell more ads!
The fourth estate has forfeited any pretense of journalism in this election cycle, "Trump is bad for America but great for news...all Trump all the time" seems to be the mantra. She is better off staying away from a media desperate for an outrage du jour to sell more ads!
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Progressives, can we not be like Tea Partiers, who demand complete ideological purity of their candidates, and see this as a political process, one that we can use to move the needle left and get something done for once?
Since Republicans have been foolish enough to nominate Trump as their candidate for president, we have the best chance in our lifetimes to turn the tide in American politics. Progressives can push their agenda if Democrats retake the house. Since many Republicans may be sitting this election out, we have an opportunity to make this happen. This COULD be an exciting election IF we get out and support the down ticket Democrats. Stop sulking, and make it happen!
Since Republicans have been foolish enough to nominate Trump as their candidate for president, we have the best chance in our lifetimes to turn the tide in American politics. Progressives can push their agenda if Democrats retake the house. Since many Republicans may be sitting this election out, we have an opportunity to make this happen. This COULD be an exciting election IF we get out and support the down ticket Democrats. Stop sulking, and make it happen!
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after twenty plus years of the NYT helping create the narrative that Hilary is awful, it takes serious chutzpah to write:
Since declaring his candidacy a year ago, Mr. Trump has revealed almost no policy knowledge or workable proposals. His intention appears to be to turn the general election into a referendum on Mrs. Clinton’s character"
of course it is. with the help of the"liberal" media line the nyt.
Since declaring his candidacy a year ago, Mr. Trump has revealed almost no policy knowledge or workable proposals. His intention appears to be to turn the general election into a referendum on Mrs. Clinton’s character"
of course it is. with the help of the"liberal" media line the nyt.
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I voted for Bernie and I've heard from those other Bernie supporters who say they'll never vote for Hillary. Here's a thought for you: if you stay home in November, you will be voting for Donald Trump, supporting with your silence the voice of racists, xenophobes and misogynists everywhere, putting the nuclear codes in the hands of a person with poor impulse control, giving the power of executive action to an authoritarian narcissist. Think hard before you decide what your next step will be.
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HRC has her marionette strings jerked by the 1% and Wall Street. She made promises to protect Wall Street while in clandestine speeches that she was paid an obscene amount of money to make. And she won't release the content. She broke the law on government email so she could foil and flout FOIA. Explain/parse that Mrs. Clinton!
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Guess we'll never know what yesterday's voting would have resulted in if the mainstream media hadn't announced Hillary the winner the day before the voting.
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This editorial reminds me of the sometimes subtle or not so subtle attempt by American newspapers to manipulate the outcome of elections.
Newspapers still represent America's low tech form of political gaming while Facebook represents America's hi tech form of subliminal thought control.
Sometimes we Americans accomplish such a high level of gamesmanship that we end up out smarting ourselves!
Newspapers still represent America's low tech form of political gaming while Facebook represents America's hi tech form of subliminal thought control.
Sometimes we Americans accomplish such a high level of gamesmanship that we end up out smarting ourselves!
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This editorial is simply appalling. One of my favourite lines, "Beyond these policy-related efforts lie opportunities for Mrs. Clinton to demonstrate her commitment to running an accountable White House, should she win the presidency." - HA! This is the woman that was happy to let the Russians and Chinese read her email, but hid her email from her real enemy, the American public, and FOI requests.
And if anyone suggests that I'm exaggerating, you're very naive if you don't understand that the Chinese and Russians can hack into a personal email server with little effort at all.
And if anyone suggests that I'm exaggerating, you're very naive if you don't understand that the Chinese and Russians can hack into a personal email server with little effort at all.
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"The sheer muscle Mrs. Clinton put into her bid sets an example of hard work for others eager to follow her path into public service."
Here's the example Ms. Clinton set for those "eager to follow her path into public service:
=> Support the party no matter who is running, like, say, Paul Ryan is doing. The party faithful will be there for you when you run
=> Carefully parse every position statement so you can change it when the winds shift, like say if someone tries to flank you on the left
=> Keep the lobbyists in your corner. They have lots of money they will give you if you agree to keep your door open to their ideas
=> Find some bundlers who can cultivate a network of big donors
=> Be pragmatic-- which means reinforcing conventional thinking: support free trade: support the magic of the unregulated market; support the need to topple dictators who don't support the US while propping up those who do; keep the 1% happy--- after all they are your donor base!
Given this example of the conventional path to "political success" is it any surprise that idealistic young people are attracted to Bernie Sanders and cynical young people are drawn to Donald Trump?
Here's the example Ms. Clinton set for those "eager to follow her path into public service:
=> Support the party no matter who is running, like, say, Paul Ryan is doing. The party faithful will be there for you when you run
=> Carefully parse every position statement so you can change it when the winds shift, like say if someone tries to flank you on the left
=> Keep the lobbyists in your corner. They have lots of money they will give you if you agree to keep your door open to their ideas
=> Find some bundlers who can cultivate a network of big donors
=> Be pragmatic-- which means reinforcing conventional thinking: support free trade: support the magic of the unregulated market; support the need to topple dictators who don't support the US while propping up those who do; keep the 1% happy--- after all they are your donor base!
Given this example of the conventional path to "political success" is it any surprise that idealistic young people are attracted to Bernie Sanders and cynical young people are drawn to Donald Trump?
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My prediction: some day before July 25 HRC is indicted. What will the DNC do at its convention?
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So, here's the bottom line: Do you want incremental change forward, or a huge step backward? Are you hoping that conditions would be so bad under Trump that there will be a backlash favoring the progressives? Be careful what you hope for. It's not very often that things turn out the way you expect when you take a huge gamble. And let's not forget all the suffering taking place while Trump is in office. Let's not forget the effect on the Supreme Court and how long new justices will be in office.
Yes, it's been a pretty wild year in politics. And yet, Bernie lost. Think about that for a second. Trump won, but Bernie lost. You may want to blame someone, anyone for Bernie's losing. The people who deserve the most blame are all the voters, over 13 million, who voted for Hillary. It's not like those voters didn't know Hillary's record...or hadn't heard about Bernie.
So, once again, the nation is at a crossroads. Keep going on a gentle curve to the left or veer wildly right. For those who want to build a revolution...better to start at the bottom and work your way up. Get a progressive congress if you want real change.
Yes, it's been a pretty wild year in politics. And yet, Bernie lost. Think about that for a second. Trump won, but Bernie lost. You may want to blame someone, anyone for Bernie's losing. The people who deserve the most blame are all the voters, over 13 million, who voted for Hillary. It's not like those voters didn't know Hillary's record...or hadn't heard about Bernie.
So, once again, the nation is at a crossroads. Keep going on a gentle curve to the left or veer wildly right. For those who want to build a revolution...better to start at the bottom and work your way up. Get a progressive congress if you want real change.
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Do you mean we should expect to see a new, reformulated Hillary Clinton in July? I can hardly wait for the latest rollout!
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I am appalled at the bitter Sanders supporters who will vote for Trump. Really? Because you lost you want to condemn this nation by electing a fascist? Hardly progressive, magnanimous, or rational. Dangerous.
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Won fairly isn't the issue.
Sanders supporters reject Hillary on substantive policy differences and Hillary the flawed, deceitful if you will, character issues.
Sanders supporters reject Hillary on substantive policy differences and Hillary the flawed, deceitful if you will, character issues.
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Very, very good editorial. Not just because I agree with it. It's points are well stated, fair and clear.
Good job.
Good job.
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I am a Bernie supporter but also support Hillary. They are not that different in policy positions and they are NOT Donald Trump.
Hillary won more states, more votes and more delegates in the primary fight. There is only Wash DC left and they will most probably vote for Hillary as well. It's time for Senator Sanders to meet with Hillary's people and set up a calm, deliberate way that leaves no ambiguity that he is getting out of the race and will proudly support Mrs. Clinton. And he must urge his supporters to do the same.
The primaries are over. Congratulations to both candidates for fighting hard and staying positive - mostly. Hillary Clinton has won and will be our next President , the first woman to hold that office and I will be proud to see her take the oath of office next January. We just have to work hard to make that happen!
Hillary won more states, more votes and more delegates in the primary fight. There is only Wash DC left and they will most probably vote for Hillary as well. It's time for Senator Sanders to meet with Hillary's people and set up a calm, deliberate way that leaves no ambiguity that he is getting out of the race and will proudly support Mrs. Clinton. And he must urge his supporters to do the same.
The primaries are over. Congratulations to both candidates for fighting hard and staying positive - mostly. Hillary Clinton has won and will be our next President , the first woman to hold that office and I will be proud to see her take the oath of office next January. We just have to work hard to make that happen!
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I proudly supported Bernie Sanders. Kudos to Mrs. Clinton for running a fine campaign.
Based on what I'm reading here and elsewhere if the Clinton/DNC folks are going to play the Nader card already and go down the road of more confrontation democrats will be trouble in November. I'd like to remind clinton support how painful it was in 2008. That's whats going on now in the Sanders camp. The focus should be on Trump. Most of Sanders speech in California tonight was about that. When the smoke clears Hillary will have mine and others support in November. A Trump presidency cannot happen.
Based on what I'm reading here and elsewhere if the Clinton/DNC folks are going to play the Nader card already and go down the road of more confrontation democrats will be trouble in November. I'd like to remind clinton support how painful it was in 2008. That's whats going on now in the Sanders camp. The focus should be on Trump. Most of Sanders speech in California tonight was about that. When the smoke clears Hillary will have mine and others support in November. A Trump presidency cannot happen.
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While we have been sitting here feuding, fussing, and fighting about whether Bernie or Hillary should/should not be the Democratic Party's nominee for President of the United States, the Republican House and Senate have been busily tearing the guts out of the Dodd-Frank bill that was intended to provide some protection of "our" economy from Wall Street greed and hold the banks and financial industry at least somewhat accountable for their actions
The only check on the GOP's destructive political agenda is we have a Democratic president in the White House who will veto the GOP's damaging actions that only serve to increase the wealth and power of Big Corporate and the rich and further destroy the middle class, democracy, and any sense of fair play in this country.
I love Bernie for who he is and for the good he has done for this country, but this is no time to be petulant and refuse to vote for Hillary in the 2016 election.
Don't think for a moment people in this country are not misguided, deluded & angry enough to enthusiastically get out on election day and vote for the thoroughly politically inexperienced and unhinged Donald Trump. Trump, who notoriously says one thing and then does whatever HE pleases.
A Republican Senate, House, and White House would be a disaster and perhaps the end of America's experiment in democracy—we are half way there already with the current GOP, Citizens United, and Supreme Court.
DNC HEAR what Bernie says; People please vote in Nov.
The only check on the GOP's destructive political agenda is we have a Democratic president in the White House who will veto the GOP's damaging actions that only serve to increase the wealth and power of Big Corporate and the rich and further destroy the middle class, democracy, and any sense of fair play in this country.
I love Bernie for who he is and for the good he has done for this country, but this is no time to be petulant and refuse to vote for Hillary in the 2016 election.
Don't think for a moment people in this country are not misguided, deluded & angry enough to enthusiastically get out on election day and vote for the thoroughly politically inexperienced and unhinged Donald Trump. Trump, who notoriously says one thing and then does whatever HE pleases.
A Republican Senate, House, and White House would be a disaster and perhaps the end of America's experiment in democracy—we are half way there already with the current GOP, Citizens United, and Supreme Court.
DNC HEAR what Bernie says; People please vote in Nov.
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Opening the primaries to independents leaves room for Republican mischief. The only Republican I voted for in a primary was John Anderson. And many Democrats were encourage to cross over to vote for him that year. That is the challenge or risk.
The superdelegates (or automatic delegates, as some used to call them), are there, in part, to prevent a loon like Donald Trump from seizing the nomination. Republicans probably wish they had some free agents right now.
So these issues aren't straight forward.
The superdelegates (or automatic delegates, as some used to call them), are there, in part, to prevent a loon like Donald Trump from seizing the nomination. Republicans probably wish they had some free agents right now.
So these issues aren't straight forward.
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The #1 issue for me is the corruption of big money in politics. We need publicly funded elections. We need to get our representative democracy back. I doubt that either one of the presumptive nominees will champion that, so we are going to need a grassroots effort, like WOLF-PAC to take up the fight ourselves.
This election has really sharpened the focus on our two-party system. Many Sanders supporters are horrified at the thought of voting for someone as corporatist and hawkish as Clinton. Many life long Democrats love her. Many Republicans are uncomfortable with their utterly unqualified candidate, but a significant number of their base as well as independents think he's swell. The time is past due to dump the electoral college and go to a true multi-party system. I am so tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
This election has really sharpened the focus on our two-party system. Many Sanders supporters are horrified at the thought of voting for someone as corporatist and hawkish as Clinton. Many life long Democrats love her. Many Republicans are uncomfortable with their utterly unqualified candidate, but a significant number of their base as well as independents think he's swell. The time is past due to dump the electoral college and go to a true multi-party system. I am so tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
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"Among some of his supporters there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice.This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment,"
What a red herring! The issue is that Clinton does not put working Americans interest first. She and those in her camp have proved their actual allegiance over and over. Clinton has a long record of putting corporate America first. How the Times Editorial Board can so cavalierly dishonor itself still amazes me. Every day we move closer to making the Hunger Games movie a reality and the NYTs is not only defending but supporting the people carrying us forward. I'm incredulous that after the banker caused recession the Times can support Bankings number one champion. Who's past campaign manager and DNC chair is having trouble with reelection trying to explain her support of bills helping Payday lenders and the contributions she takes from them. This entire debacle is crazier and more debased than anything in popular fiction.
People simply want to think and believe what they want to think and believe. Never mind facts and critical thinking. This is why we are at a critical juncture and why the chances of resolving the dire challenges we face will fail.
What a red herring! The issue is that Clinton does not put working Americans interest first. She and those in her camp have proved their actual allegiance over and over. Clinton has a long record of putting corporate America first. How the Times Editorial Board can so cavalierly dishonor itself still amazes me. Every day we move closer to making the Hunger Games movie a reality and the NYTs is not only defending but supporting the people carrying us forward. I'm incredulous that after the banker caused recession the Times can support Bankings number one champion. Who's past campaign manager and DNC chair is having trouble with reelection trying to explain her support of bills helping Payday lenders and the contributions she takes from them. This entire debacle is crazier and more debased than anything in popular fiction.
People simply want to think and believe what they want to think and believe. Never mind facts and critical thinking. This is why we are at a critical juncture and why the chances of resolving the dire challenges we face will fail.
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You can't convince those who think that 2+2=5. You can only hope that they wake up.
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No she doesn't - Hillary won under the same rules as Obama. Bernie has misled his supporters and should be held accountable by the press for his lies. The reality is that Hillary does not need Bernie or his delusional supporters. Do your job and stop passing onto Hillary the tough work of educating the public about the state of reality and the rule of law.
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Mrs Clinton won, but did not win fair and square as many say. The DNC had favored one candidate over the other in the debate schedule and in the structure of what used to be the democratic party but is now the Clinton party. The superdelegates being picked before the primary began is tantamount to insider trading. The most influential persuader is the TV news cast where most get their news. All the big companies MSNBC,CNN,ABC,CBS were literally running a commercial for Mrs Clinton. This was abhorrent and the singular reason she won. There was a modern day blacklist of a kind on the Senator from Vermont. The broadcast companies used many techniques to push their candidate Clinton, some of which were subtle and others not so subtle. This alignment of the 'free tv press' with corporate power is an edifice of deceit, which someday will bring our Republic down. I want a president that will take on the big-moneyed interests but Mrs Clinton IS the big money interest. They bought her and she is one of them.
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I am surprised by the tone of this editorial. Where is the mention of Sanders in what happens next. So much of the next steps and tenure of how Clinton is able to proceed depends on Bernie Sanders. She is clearly the nominee. If "The Bern" is willing to let go - as Clinton did 8 years ago - and acknowledge what is really at stake is the future of our country & who is to be president - if Sanders will join hands with HRC & Obama on stage what a powerful image this will send to the country - young & old.
We can not allow Donald Trump anywhere near the White House - and that is what is important - and the shared priorities of both Sanders & Clinton. Whether you voted for Clinton or Sanders, now is the time to join hands and do what is best for this country. I thought HRC hit an excellent tone in her recent speeches & I am more convinced than ever she is the right choice - but Sanders must graciously tell his rabid young supporters this is what he believes now too. Continued attacks and complaints about a rigged system will not be good for HRC headed into the fall.
We can not allow Donald Trump anywhere near the White House - and that is what is important - and the shared priorities of both Sanders & Clinton. Whether you voted for Clinton or Sanders, now is the time to join hands and do what is best for this country. I thought HRC hit an excellent tone in her recent speeches & I am more convinced than ever she is the right choice - but Sanders must graciously tell his rabid young supporters this is what he believes now too. Continued attacks and complaints about a rigged system will not be good for HRC headed into the fall.
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What I said more than a year ago today in the NYT comments to my progressive friends still stands. I said that If you let down Bernie Sanders in the primaries then you have no one to blame but yourselves. Do not let the corporate media snow you into switching to their establishment candidate. In the primaries vote for Sanders.
I said that knowing full well that many of the anti Clinton vocal people here would rationalize that Bernie does not have a chance before the primaries are over, and they would switch to Clinto at the last minute when at the primary polls.
I also said that Settling for the lesser of two evils is still evil, and the two party exclusive club counts on your fear that your preferred candidate may not have a chance. Save you two evils until the general election but before the convention do not waver.
Unfortunately many progressive friends have limits beyond which they would waver and soring back to toward the center. Here we are, and deja vu.
As for Republicans who plan to swallow their pride, hold their breath, and vote for Trump, you are even worde than the Democrats. You are not voting on principle ir based on issues. You are blindly obeying the party line rule.
I said that knowing full well that many of the anti Clinton vocal people here would rationalize that Bernie does not have a chance before the primaries are over, and they would switch to Clinto at the last minute when at the primary polls.
I also said that Settling for the lesser of two evils is still evil, and the two party exclusive club counts on your fear that your preferred candidate may not have a chance. Save you two evils until the general election but before the convention do not waver.
Unfortunately many progressive friends have limits beyond which they would waver and soring back to toward the center. Here we are, and deja vu.
As for Republicans who plan to swallow their pride, hold their breath, and vote for Trump, you are even worde than the Democrats. You are not voting on principle ir based on issues. You are blindly obeying the party line rule.
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It is pointless to run an unfair primary season, with many Clinton supporters shrieking that Sanders is not a real Democratic (so it's ok that the whole process is unfair), then try to convince people that they should suck it up and vote for a bad candidate because the other one (one! Two candidates only for the most important single job in the world!) is patently dreadful. Well, as it was in the beginning, it's her turn. Go for it.
First Sanders said let the people decide who to run as the Democratic nominee, not the party leaders.
When the people decided, he said let the polls and the super delegates decide.
When the super delegates decided, he said let California, the nation's most populous state decide.
When California decided, he said no, we must wait for the convention!
This political opera is tiring.
The fat lady has not only sung, she is on the way home and ready to vote for President Clinton in November.
When the people decided, he said let the polls and the super delegates decide.
When the super delegates decided, he said let California, the nation's most populous state decide.
When California decided, he said no, we must wait for the convention!
This political opera is tiring.
The fat lady has not only sung, she is on the way home and ready to vote for President Clinton in November.
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I am leery about open primaries. Independents have not declared loyalty to the general platform and position of a party; and who is to say that an independent is actually a member of one party, voting to sabotage the other party's chances to have a viable nominee.
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I'm ready for Hillary. America is ready for Hillary. Hillary won a hard fought primary fair and square and did so with millions more votes. Hillary's campaign was diverse and inclusive as is America. Hillary earned each vote.
History was made last night and more history will be made on November 8th when Hillary is elected President.
History was made last night and more history will be made on November 8th when Hillary is elected President.
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So Clinton has to prove to me that she won fair and square.
She is not going to do that.
She is not going to do that.
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I hope she enjoyed this moment. The floodgates of her own making are just beginning to open. And the flood of voters to keep her from the presidency is now assembling. It's not just the young who understand the danger. It's millions more disgusted lifetime Democrats like myself and independents who will write the real history in November.
I'm not yet sure what it will be, but it won't be what you think.
I'm not yet sure what it will be, but it won't be what you think.
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Hillary shouldn't try to convince Bernie's supporters of anything. If she embraces Bernie's platform, especially free college and a single-payer healthcare system, it will bring a horde of Republican voters out on election day who thus far are sickened by Donald Trump and intend to stay home. Bernie's supporters are likely to whine well into the 2030's about how their candidate was robbed. It's all nonsense, but convincing them that they're wrong will be like convincing the Westboro Baptist Church that they're wrong. Bernie's supporters will have to find it on their own, or we all just hope that Trump continues his platform of disgust and yields the lowest Republican voter turnout in history. He's on his way. Hopefully, intelligent people, such as Barrack Obama, will convince Hillary to stay the course and reject the notion of currying favor with Bernie supporters by embracing his socialist agenda. She can talk about getting tough on Wall Street and protecting the environment, but please stay away from the death knell of free college for everyone and a single-payer health care system. You'll be handing that windbag Trump the White House.
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While I completely understand the frustration of Sanders supporters with the primary process and their dislike of Clinton's secrecy and policies, I fail to see where this leads to voting for Donald Trump. We see one GOP politician after another endorsing a bigoted, witless loudmouth, putting their petty political ambitions over the good of the country. Bitter Sanders fans would be voting for Trump merely to stick it to the "system." There is nothing noble or principled in aligning yourself with white supremacists just so you can prove a point. If you can't bring yourself to vote for Clinton, then do the country a favor and just stay home on election day.
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Hillary and Bernie need to draw together and fight Donald Duck Drumpf. Whatever differences they have pales in comparison to the thought that an unhinged, racist tyrant might get into the White House.
"Among some of his supporters there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice.
This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment..." How is this not a fair assessment?
The same could be true about the Times shameful coverage of the Sanders campaign. How would the editors assess their role in the all this? I am genuinely curious how they would justify it.
This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment..." How is this not a fair assessment?
The same could be true about the Times shameful coverage of the Sanders campaign. How would the editors assess their role in the all this? I am genuinely curious how they would justify it.
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Trump is accessible. He shows almost every week at some news show and answers the hard questions. Hillary needs to do the same thing or the meme that she is too secretive or hiding something will snowball. Trump will play up his accessibility in contrast to her hyper control. It's important for HRC to get ahead of this criticism in the general election before it gains more traction.
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For any and all who are unwilling to vote for the top of the ticket, please remember that change cannot be achieved by a single individual (see Obama vs Congress, 2010-2016).
Choices must be made for our representation in the House and Senate. Those bodies will facilitate - or prevent - changes to policy and law that our country so desperately needs.
So if you must, vote selectively. But by all means, VOTE !!
Choices must be made for our representation in the House and Senate. Those bodies will facilitate - or prevent - changes to policy and law that our country so desperately needs.
So if you must, vote selectively. But by all means, VOTE !!
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I still want to vote for someone I respect, not someone I pity.
If this is how well the Sanders' camp's methods and demands go over with democrats, you can imagine how well they'll do when they face real enmity in the republicans. They believe they can march into the democratic party and order it to obey, and into the WH and order the government of the nation to obey. Because they are so right and so pure and so unwilling to bend or listen or compromise. They hate those who could be their allies, if those allies disagree or try to point out that their methods won't work. And they haven't even faced the enemy yet. Like young soldiers marching into battle, they think they've already won and scorn the battered and stumbling soldiers who've been fighting so long before them.
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Why does she need to do any convincing? People who don't think it was fair shouldn't be directing their anger at her. She didn't design the system, and she didn't abuse it.
Voted Bernie in the primary, very excited to vote for Hillary in November (well, actually sooner, absentee ballot and all). Lets all remember that "unity" thing.
Go Hillary!
Voted Bernie in the primary, very excited to vote for Hillary in November (well, actually sooner, absentee ballot and all). Lets all remember that "unity" thing.
Go Hillary!
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If many in the "newest generation" don't trust Secretary Clinton, then it should be easy to understand why so many of us older folks -- boomers -- don't trust her. We've lived with her (not to mention her family; good grief, talk about Clinton fatigue) for decades, watched helplessly as she marched into New York CIty (instead of back to Arkansas) in 2000 to pull a "Bobby Kennedy" and run for Senate after making nice to all the appropriate local Dem machine politicos and black clergymen. I am so exhausted by this family and by her neediness in particular. Just going to hold my nose I guess and hope she's gone in 4 years.
As a boomer, I had really hoped to see a president who more closely represented my views during my lifetime. Bernie came close, and I am glad to see he hasn't given up as easily HRC hoped he would by "claiming" her nomination in prime time.
As a boomer, I had really hoped to see a president who more closely represented my views during my lifetime. Bernie came close, and I am glad to see he hasn't given up as easily HRC hoped he would by "claiming" her nomination in prime time.
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The conundrum is for a candidate to be experienced and prepared for the office of the President, they have had to be immersed in the dirty pool of politics.
Secretary Clinton has been in politics a long, long time and her hands, like all politicians hands, are somewhat dirty. But, I'd rather have a democrat with dirty hands than a Trump who can do enormous damage to the country. I'd rather have Clinton in the oval office than Trump as dog catcher in Hoboken. However, if Trump did win dog catcher, at least then Christie can end his career as assistant dog catcher!
Secretary Clinton has been in politics a long, long time and her hands, like all politicians hands, are somewhat dirty. But, I'd rather have a democrat with dirty hands than a Trump who can do enormous damage to the country. I'd rather have Clinton in the oval office than Trump as dog catcher in Hoboken. However, if Trump did win dog catcher, at least then Christie can end his career as assistant dog catcher!
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Congratulations to both candidates, Hillary and Bernie. The two of you have demonstrated the importance of gallantry and civility in bringing forth an intelligent debate over the choices we face for our country's future. I'm voting Democrat this year, all the way up and down the ticket. I invite my Republican friends to come into our big tent. Let's take our country forward. Educatation, environment, and equality!
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Whether we want to admit it or not, the biggest reason white male voters do not support Hillary Clinton is unrecognized sexism. Hillary's intelligence, insight and prodigious understanding of world affairs and the economy make her bigger than life to males. Females, too, can find her directness and willingness to tackle the most difficult problems intimidating. What she most wants for our country is inclusiveness. She wants to unite us and build bridges instead of walls.
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Esteemed economists like Paul Krugman, firstly, have to stop using terms like Bernie Bros and Bernie Bots. Show some respect for the youth. As an economist, these guys are supposed to warn the country of impending disaster and prepare the country for ways to handle recession. Paul did warn but he took a stand that was belligerent and condescending towards the Republicans who form half the country's population. The present youth have not seen the kind of prosperity their parents had seen, they did everything right, attending schools, building resumes with sports, after school activities, community service, internships...yet they find themselves saddled with college loans that will keep them "enslaved" for years. They moved in to live with their parents who themselves moved in with grandma and grandpa. The problem with Mrs Clinton is her spokespeople, her supporters, her media enablers, who took every little chance they got to take a dig at Bernie and his supporters. That includes YOU the NYT editorial Board, don't put the burden on Mrs Clinton, you are as much responsible for media bias against the Bernie phenomenon. You need to fix yourself first. Then ask Mrs Clinton to do this, that and the other.
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Trump will self destruct so many more times during the next several months that people will flock to Hillary. I cannot wait to see what the unscripted egomaniac says at the GOP confab in Cleveland.
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BTW: Trump calls the infrastructure run-down, he's right. But ask him how it got that way: as many bills as Obama put before the Republican house to fund the building and repair of roads, bridges, tunnels, runways, waterways, etc etc, as many times did the Republicans turn him down. The American Society of Civil Engineers pegged the necessary work -- back in 2005, at 3 trillion $$, now it's probably more. All those roads, etc could have been repaired and hundreds of thousands of people could have done useful work with their hands -- blocked by no-nothing Republicans.
Also note: Trump taking HRC to task for voting to invade Iraq. So did all his friends and Republican politicians, they planned it.
Also note: Trump taking HRC to task for voting to invade Iraq. So did all his friends and Republican politicians, they planned it.
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The NY Times is correct that Sanders voters may stay home and help Republicans elect a half mad fascist to the WH. Sect'y Clinton will surely address them, but it's also time that media outlets make the voters aware that its just not Clinton's responsibility to convince them while they sit on their rumps and throw a hissy, but theirs as well to grow up and realize that their immaturity may elect a lunatic to the WH and if he wins, it is they too who are responsible. And we now all have to live with the result of their ignorance.
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Nope, I'm done. It was rigged and we have a deeply flawed candidate, it was Bernie or no one. I am going with no one.
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Ms Clinton should have had the courtesy to wait until ALL the polls were closed and everyone had voted before making her victory speech. She has poor judgement and continues to alienate many of the voters she needs to win the general election.
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The real burden is on the voter, whom if she can convince them, will have to hold tight their noses while they cast their ballots this November.
How about "Bernie's Basement Babies" waking up to the reality that Clinton is a candidate who won this election fair and square that deserves their enthusiastic support over Trump.
Sometimes it's good to go over the numbers in the Democratic Primaries to see just how convincingly Hillary won.
Pennsylvania +12
California +13
New York +16
Ohio +14
Florida +31
Virginia +29
North Carolina +14
Why isn' the BURDEN on Sanders to bring his voters around? Blue collar workers, the middle class, and minorities turned out in large numbers for Clinton. They have been the ones suffering over the decades. This column is just another form of identity politics in the form of young voters being catered to. Just ask any working family about their tax burden and trying to make ends meet. So maybe should now Clinton should come out for free college and watch working class families taxes soar even higher.
Sometimes it's good to go over the numbers in the Democratic Primaries to see just how convincingly Hillary won.
Pennsylvania +12
California +13
New York +16
Ohio +14
Florida +31
Virginia +29
North Carolina +14
Why isn' the BURDEN on Sanders to bring his voters around? Blue collar workers, the middle class, and minorities turned out in large numbers for Clinton. They have been the ones suffering over the decades. This column is just another form of identity politics in the form of young voters being catered to. Just ask any working family about their tax burden and trying to make ends meet. So maybe should now Clinton should come out for free college and watch working class families taxes soar even higher.
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Some of the commenters here state their intention to vote for Trump, now that their favorite candidate Sanders has lost. They say that Clinton does not tell the truth and that she is a tool of the rich. So they now support a candidate who has set an all-time record for dishonesty in political discourse. They now plan to vote for a candidate who brags about riches gained through a lifetime of stiffing workers, students, and business partners. They support a man who admits to manipulating politicians with money while threatening judges. They plan to vote for a man who admires anti-democratic thugs like Putin and who threatens to turn his back on the democracies of the world. They want a president who fans the flames of racial and ethnic hatred.
Feel the Bern indeed.
Feel the Bern indeed.
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The democrats are asking us to vote for someone being investigated by the FBI who will most certainly be indicted on serious criminal charges.
Hillary is no trailblazer. She is ambitious First Lady who bullied her way into the senate because folks felt sorry she was married to a serial sexual predator who publically humiliated her continually throughout their life together. Her vote on the Iraq war dismayed those looking for leadership from her and was the worst mark in her brief , undistinguished career in the senate. Obama was pressured into "giving Hillary something" and made this woman with no foreign diplomatic exoerience Secretary of State! The worst advise from Hillary was to destabilize Libya which resulted in ISIS establishing itself there.
Hillary's arrogance and incompetence has been a hall mark of her career. She refused to comply with state department rules for handling state department secret information. There is little question that she will be indicted, it is just a question of when.
Bill and Hillary amassed a fortune after Bill impeachment and while she was Secretary of State,of over 230 million dollars. The Clinton Foundation , a murky outfit that accepts foreign millions while Hillary was Secretary of State, is of concern to the FBI because of its conflicts of interest.
Hillary is not fit to be president.
Hillary is no trailblazer. She is ambitious First Lady who bullied her way into the senate because folks felt sorry she was married to a serial sexual predator who publically humiliated her continually throughout their life together. Her vote on the Iraq war dismayed those looking for leadership from her and was the worst mark in her brief , undistinguished career in the senate. Obama was pressured into "giving Hillary something" and made this woman with no foreign diplomatic exoerience Secretary of State! The worst advise from Hillary was to destabilize Libya which resulted in ISIS establishing itself there.
Hillary's arrogance and incompetence has been a hall mark of her career. She refused to comply with state department rules for handling state department secret information. There is little question that she will be indicted, it is just a question of when.
Bill and Hillary amassed a fortune after Bill impeachment and while she was Secretary of State,of over 230 million dollars. The Clinton Foundation , a murky outfit that accepts foreign millions while Hillary was Secretary of State, is of concern to the FBI because of its conflicts of interest.
Hillary is not fit to be president.
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"It appears Mrs. Clinton will be the first female presidential nominee of a major party, but she needs to convince Sanders followers that she won fairly."
It is galling to read this caption of today's editorial a day after the NYT announced in banner headlines, before the last day of primary voting and based on secret discussions with anonymous "superdelegates", that Mrs Clinton had captured the nomination.
How indeed can Mrs Clinton convince voters that she won fairly and how can the NYT persuade readers that it covers campaigns fairly?
It is galling to read this caption of today's editorial a day after the NYT announced in banner headlines, before the last day of primary voting and based on secret discussions with anonymous "superdelegates", that Mrs Clinton had captured the nomination.
How indeed can Mrs Clinton convince voters that she won fairly and how can the NYT persuade readers that it covers campaigns fairly?
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"Among some of his supporters there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice."
Sorry New York Times, but yes, I hold the party leaders partially responsible, but I also point my finger at you. Your early endorsement of HRC, refusal to cover Bernie's campaign and then slanted coverage were a part of an imperfect process, at best.
Sorry New York Times, but yes, I hold the party leaders partially responsible, but I also point my finger at you. Your early endorsement of HRC, refusal to cover Bernie's campaign and then slanted coverage were a part of an imperfect process, at best.
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It's about time that a woman has a real chance at becoming President.
It's a shame that it's Hillary Clinton. It should have been Elizabeth Warren.
It's a shame that it's Hillary Clinton. It should have been Elizabeth Warren.
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Hillary is Pepsi. Bernie is Coke.
This restaurant doesn't have Coke, so I guess I'll settle for a Pepsi.
Still better than the GOP band "cola-flavored" sewer water.
This restaurant doesn't have Coke, so I guess I'll settle for a Pepsi.
Still better than the GOP band "cola-flavored" sewer water.
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What nonsense it is to make such a big deal over Hillary being the first female nominee. Margaret Thatcher was the head of a major western power long before many of Hillary's supporters were even born! Indira Gandhi? Golda Meier, Corazon Aquino, Benazir Bhutto? And you can bet Angela Merkel looks at all this flagellating hoopla over Hillary being nominated as typical American narcissism.
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You say "It isn't a fair or accurate assessment" for people to believe that the Democratic National Committee supported Hillary [and was dismissive of Bernie].
I very, very strongly disagree with that perspective, and even now, ask how many times the NYTIMES has glossed over the guidelines of the Democratic Party to give Hillary the crown early.
For example, the Super Delegates were not supposed to be counted in until August, but the media time and again broke this guideline to the benefit of Hillary.
Even more important is the nonstop ignoring of issues that Bernie supporters -- and the average citizen want emphasized, such as: addressing the dangers of climate change, increasing taxes on the richest of us (including taking the top cap off social security so the richest can pay their fair share -- 79% of Americans want this), ending trade deals exporting our jobs, etc.
The press knows what the important issues are and have been distracting us time and again.
This I believe, and so do tens of millions of voters.
Go Bernie!!!
I very, very strongly disagree with that perspective, and even now, ask how many times the NYTIMES has glossed over the guidelines of the Democratic Party to give Hillary the crown early.
For example, the Super Delegates were not supposed to be counted in until August, but the media time and again broke this guideline to the benefit of Hillary.
Even more important is the nonstop ignoring of issues that Bernie supporters -- and the average citizen want emphasized, such as: addressing the dangers of climate change, increasing taxes on the richest of us (including taking the top cap off social security so the richest can pay their fair share -- 79% of Americans want this), ending trade deals exporting our jobs, etc.
The press knows what the important issues are and have been distracting us time and again.
This I believe, and so do tens of millions of voters.
Go Bernie!!!
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The woman does not have to do more! Winning the nomination and starting the process of winning the general is enough. What man who nailed the nomination of his party had to do more and shoulder the burden of convincing the loser that all was fair. Women are not responsible for the feelings department anymore. If President Obama and the Democratic Party want to do more for the Sanders campaigners then fine. I don't remember any such editorial about Donald Trump having to salve Ted Cruz wounds. Sanders supporters aren't poor things. They are the young people who did not show for the 2012 election and delivered us the worst Congress ever. Let's check with Howard Dean to see if he read advice of this nature in a NYT editorial after losing to John Kerry in 2004.
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Well Congratulations Hillary supporters your corporate shill is the nominee. Remember all the ridicule & condescension directed at Bernie supporters? Good luck getting her to the White House now - on your own. That goes double to the Times and other publications upholding the status quo. Whatever the outcome you have only your lack of integrity to hold accountable. Hillary is a placebo swallowed by cowards. Jill Stein will have my vote and the Democratic party has guaranteed its worthlessness to two generations of voters.
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Hillary Clinton will never be able to convince the true Sander's supporters that she has won this election fairly. This Democratic primary has been an object lesson in how to rig a primary election; the mainstream media's completely biased reporting, voter suppression and on and on. How can anyone who has seen all of this taking place, in many cases, firsthand - every vote for Hillary. Not I, that is certain.
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I object to the short web description of this article, implying Clinton must prove she won "fairly". Buried in the article is a statement that she did win fairly, but promulgating the idea that her nomination is somehow unfair is ridiculous and demeaning to her. She won, by all possible measures, and should be recognized for such a victory. I will not speculate on the reasons for this depiction of her victory. The NYT is not (should not be) in the Conspiracy business.
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Even if HRC gets the nomination, looking at the numbers in tonight's primaries, the Democratic Party is split right down the middle. So many races have been practically 50-50. The only way to unify the Party is to sincerely address the issues, which will take work, effort, discussion, compromise, change. In a sense, it is time for HRC to account for the fallout from her husband's triangulating strategy of the 90s.
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To use one of TR's phrases: I am Dee-Lighted that Hillary has clinched the nomination as the first ever female candidate from a major American party.
As to all the 'righties' & 'lefties' from the comentariat and one obviously paid right wing troll regurgitating all those old Republican lies about HRC tonight, I simply say enjoy it while you can. Truth is that Hillary is well on her way to being our 45th President.
Dee-Lighted Indeed
Hillary 2016
As to all the 'righties' & 'lefties' from the comentariat and one obviously paid right wing troll regurgitating all those old Republican lies about HRC tonight, I simply say enjoy it while you can. Truth is that Hillary is well on her way to being our 45th President.
Dee-Lighted Indeed
Hillary 2016
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Sanders supporters who hate HRC so much that they don't know the meaning of what's best for the nation as a whole. If you are young, white and have plenty of privilege, you can afford a Trump presidency, a Trump SCOTUS. But those of us who need healthcare, earned the right to marry the one we love, older Americans and fight discrimination at every turn from people who openly support Trump have no choice. We need to stop Trump. You complain about the media and yet you allow yourself to be used. Would it be easier to fight with Clinton in power or Trump and the GOP? Hillary is not perfect but it's easier to fight the power you know than the evil that might turn back time for a majority of Americans. I hope that we fight together but if you can afford to wait it out, you already lost since your voice will be silenced by a bully whose main goal is to turn America into his own reality show.
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Talk is cheap. Hillary can say she's 95% with Bernie and "tack to the center" at the very same time. I want to know that she won't be afraid to soak the rich and that her V.P. has unimpeachable progressive credentials, like Liz Warren. My personal choice is is Sen. Amy Klobuchar. I'd like Kirsten Gilliland even better; but you can't have two from the same state (and pull-eze don't suggest senators from states with Republican governors). Hillary's is competent but people just don't dig her. She needs a V.P. that people naturally trust to be on their side.
2
Hillary Clinton did everything Bernie Sanders did, except backwards and in high heels.
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"Overall fitness to lead" should also include completing a crash course, or a 12-step program, in how to tell the truth. If Mrs. Clinton is to win over people who admire the likes of Sens. Sanders and Warren and the strength of character that they consistently show, that's as good a place to start as any.
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"This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment,..."
Oh, so that settles that.
Since the Clintons managed to make $139M in the last 8 year which puts them in the exclusive club of .01% (14,000 families), we can't think of anyone better qualified to address income equality. How else one can make that much money in 8 years if not by worrying about income equality.
Oh, so that settles that.
Since the Clintons managed to make $139M in the last 8 year which puts them in the exclusive club of .01% (14,000 families), we can't think of anyone better qualified to address income equality. How else one can make that much money in 8 years if not by worrying about income equality.
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In 2008 I wrote in Hillary for President because she was the best choice, Obama promised deadlines for Iraq and Afghanistan and Hillary correctly said she'd have to see the security reports before making any promises. 8 years later Obama's deadlines are way over due, score one for Hillary.
In the 1990's Bill and Hillary made a commendable attempt at Universal Healthcare that lost to big bucks from the health industry. Now Hillary will only offer tweeks to Obamacare.
I'm sick and tired of "baby steps" that quite often are "one step forward and two steps back". I'm writing Bernie Sanders in for President this November.
History buffs ought to look at politics of 100 years ago in the US, it was the same uprising of the common people against the oligarchs that we are seeing today. Stand up or shut up!!!
In the 1990's Bill and Hillary made a commendable attempt at Universal Healthcare that lost to big bucks from the health industry. Now Hillary will only offer tweeks to Obamacare.
I'm sick and tired of "baby steps" that quite often are "one step forward and two steps back". I'm writing Bernie Sanders in for President this November.
History buffs ought to look at politics of 100 years ago in the US, it was the same uprising of the common people against the oligarchs that we are seeing today. Stand up or shut up!!!
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Thomas Friedman has stated in another piece that America needs a new Republican Party. No, that's what's becoming of the Democratic Party under the 'leadership' of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. What America will need after Obama and Clinton are done exploiting it is a real Democratic Party.
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I respectfully disagree. Please read the first 3 paragraphs of your own editorial to see why. I don't believe the onus is on her.
Although I do believe she will work hard to gain their support,
the burden is squarely on BERNIE SANDERS, who appears now to be more of an anarchist and a troublemaker than a serious presidential candidate who has a balanced, nuanced grasp of not only a broad range of foreign and domestic policy issues, but exhibits the same nuanced grasp of what's at stake here.
Then he could do well by reading what Gwbear said.
Although I do believe she will work hard to gain their support,
the burden is squarely on BERNIE SANDERS, who appears now to be more of an anarchist and a troublemaker than a serious presidential candidate who has a balanced, nuanced grasp of not only a broad range of foreign and domestic policy issues, but exhibits the same nuanced grasp of what's at stake here.
Then he could do well by reading what Gwbear said.
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HRC doesn't need to convince people she won fairly, the media needs to stop suggesting she did anything but.
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Was there ever REALLY a doubt that the DNC heir designate would be the machine nominee? Honestly, who really believes that the political insider machine would allow a loose cannon like Sanders on the ticket? No, the leadership of the people must be well vetted and approved before coronation.
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I personally believe that Mrs Clinton has to stop pretending that she is poor. Like if her and her husband's wealth were a crime. It is not. This is America. They are rich, they have rich friends, etc. Her biggest burden for her will be the lack of trust in her brand of politics. Many people in her own party call her a "compromiser", which I call a pragmatic politician. She should just unleash her real self and show people that she comes as she is. She already enjoys a vast support among minorities, women, many independent minded whites, etc. Destiny granted her the opportunity to run against a man that says erratic things left and right but that should never be underestimated. I really feel Mrs Clinton has it all stacked in her favor to win the next election. She just needs to stop being so shy around. Scream Mrs Clinton like Senator Sanders does.
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Wait until the California votes are counted. You will find Hillary doesn't have the majority. I worked a poll site today. Just from the mein of the voters....
2
Congrats to Hillary. She does not need to convince the Bernie supporters of anything as she has said many times that we will "fall in line." If she is a strong candidate , she will prevail over Trump regardless of what Bernie 's supporters do ; if not, well....... I am unable to fall in line or hold my nose so it will be the write-in route for me but does it matter since AP will probably tell us next week who the next President will be.
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alas, voters in November are once-more given the task of voting for:
"the lessor of two evils"...
sigh...
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No need for Games 3 and 4 of the NBA finals... according to the AP, the Warriors are the "presumptive winners" of the series even though games 3 and 4 are still to be played.
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As you point out, this is indeed an historic time for women. I agree with what you write except I wish you would refrain from using the word 'female' to describe Mrs. Clinton. She is a woman. Why do I make the distinction? The word 'female' is used to talk about gender and, yes, she is a female human. We have a word to describe a female human--woman. I don't think you would use the phrase 'female deer' to describe a doe. Would you?
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I LOVE the comments that urge Bernie supporters to support Hillary and THEN work hard on getting progressives into local office. That certainly is the way to go. BUT, the Republicans have beaten ALL liberals to the punch in that regard. We have to work from the Top-Down to win the local and state offices so that the message isn't "transcribed" by the media as "socialist give-aways" and the only way to do that is with Bernie Sanders at the top. Bernie needs to STAY in the nominating process until the end because the Democratic Party, if it wants to win, needs to create a strategy that will convince Bernie supporters that Hillary will DO, will actually ENACT some of the programs that she SAYS she will on behalf of the Bernie supporters. Her track record is one of simply saying ANYTHING that will get her a vote. If the DNC can't convince Bernie supporters that Hillary's word is true, the Democrats will lose this year: Gary Johnson (who I will vote for because there is absolutely NOTHING that can convince me that Hillary is truthful!) will win at least a couple of states in November and the election will be thrown to the House and Congress will select Trump. The DNC better get cracking and the first thing they can do is get rid of Debbie Wasserman!
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Realx!
All the 'BernieBros' I know are going to vote for Hillary - and I like the way the NYT tries to point her in the (Bernie) policies direction.
All the 'BernieBros' I know are going to vote for Hillary - and I like the way the NYT tries to point her in the (Bernie) policies direction.
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We should not forget that other nations passed this boundary decades ago. India, Israel, Britain, Germany. We are catching up, not leading.
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Clinton asks the American people to trust her yet she has clearly shown in her refusal to release the Goldman-Sachs transcripts that she doesn't trust us.
It is doubtful there is anything in those transcripts that is injurious to anybody else so it is only herself she is trying to protect. So either they show she committed a crime, which is doubtful although the Clintons have repeatedly shown that they believe they can follow a whole different set of rules from everybody except perhaps the very wealthy, or she said things that are very embarrassing to her.
What this shows is that Clinton puts herself first and the electorate second.
Trump does the same thing but at least there is no pretense regarding it.
And as to Sanders and his supporters not having a legitimate gripe with the DNC. Imagine if it scheduled the same number of early debates as the Republicans and at times people would be watching. It is doubtful that without those debates that Trump would have won. Perhaps with similar ones Sanders would have similarly done so. The DNC clearly felt she was such a weak candidate it couldn't risk having her go before the public and in her refusal to have press conferences she has continued to demonstrate that she has similar fears.
It is doubtful there is anything in those transcripts that is injurious to anybody else so it is only herself she is trying to protect. So either they show she committed a crime, which is doubtful although the Clintons have repeatedly shown that they believe they can follow a whole different set of rules from everybody except perhaps the very wealthy, or she said things that are very embarrassing to her.
What this shows is that Clinton puts herself first and the electorate second.
Trump does the same thing but at least there is no pretense regarding it.
And as to Sanders and his supporters not having a legitimate gripe with the DNC. Imagine if it scheduled the same number of early debates as the Republicans and at times people would be watching. It is doubtful that without those debates that Trump would have won. Perhaps with similar ones Sanders would have similarly done so. The DNC clearly felt she was such a weak candidate it couldn't risk having her go before the public and in her refusal to have press conferences she has continued to demonstrate that she has similar fears.
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I am a Bernie supporter an do believe that she has clinched the nomination. Does anyone remember 2008? How Obama handled this? Quietly letting Hillary and supporters take the time to mourn. What happen to Staff Workers who disrespected her or her supporters? They were fired immediately. Hillary will have a hard time recovering from this not because of Bernie but because of Herself and her huberis. Does anyone remember how Obama handled her an her supporters, I do, with respect. How has she and the DNC in general handled us
certainly not with respect. I wish her luck because no matter what I will not be
in this one. Her supporters have called me now several times to ask me to work
in Hudson, as I did in 2008 and 2012 not because I am someone special but because I worked hard as a volunteer. I will not be there this time, not because I want Trump to win but because not matter what this Presidency will be a 3 ring circus, no matter who wins. Hillary is going to have enough trouble with her emails, her husband, and the head of the DNC. I will deal with the NY times in my own way. What one sided coverage this has been. My subscription is almost up. I have been a reader for 30 years. I will become a subscriber to the Christian Science monitor, and Economist. So I am going to look at my options all the way around.
Chuck From Ohio
certainly not with respect. I wish her luck because no matter what I will not be
in this one. Her supporters have called me now several times to ask me to work
in Hudson, as I did in 2008 and 2012 not because I am someone special but because I worked hard as a volunteer. I will not be there this time, not because I want Trump to win but because not matter what this Presidency will be a 3 ring circus, no matter who wins. Hillary is going to have enough trouble with her emails, her husband, and the head of the DNC. I will deal with the NY times in my own way. What one sided coverage this has been. My subscription is almost up. I have been a reader for 30 years. I will become a subscriber to the Christian Science monitor, and Economist. So I am going to look at my options all the way around.
Chuck From Ohio
6
I'm looking forward to voting for our first woman president. Gender aside, Hillary Clinton is the most prepared person to seek the presidency in my lifetime. I don't agree with her on everything, I don't agree with Bernie Sanders on everything, I don't agree with Donald Trump on anything.
Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's burden over the next months is to win Bernie's backers. But there is a greater burden looming. President Hillary Clinton must save America...from itself. The rise of Trump is a symptom of a sick society. President Clinton will need to address the rifts, inequities, the torn fabric of our society. Otherwise a new Trump will slither out from some hole to threaten America in 2020.
Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's burden over the next months is to win Bernie's backers. But there is a greater burden looming. President Hillary Clinton must save America...from itself. The rise of Trump is a symptom of a sick society. President Clinton will need to address the rifts, inequities, the torn fabric of our society. Otherwise a new Trump will slither out from some hole to threaten America in 2020.
6
Since "using a private email server was not allowed" it was a misguided effort to protect her official government work from FOIA requests, hide her conflicts with the Clinton foundation and allow hidden messaging to anyone she granted a clitonone.com email address.
You protect your privacy by keeping a separate email account for personal use and replying to people who email you at the wrong address to use the appropriate one. They catch on after one emailed reply refusing to engage in banter on the wrong account. (My classified business colleagues and I have successfully done this for years. )
Ms. Clinton apparently has room in her purse for an ever present 8 ounce hot sauce bottle but not another 4 ounce blackberry phone.
You protect your privacy by keeping a separate email account for personal use and replying to people who email you at the wrong address to use the appropriate one. They catch on after one emailed reply refusing to engage in banter on the wrong account. (My classified business colleagues and I have successfully done this for years. )
Ms. Clinton apparently has room in her purse for an ever present 8 ounce hot sauce bottle but not another 4 ounce blackberry phone.
5
Mrs. Clinton will win in November which is history.
But the Clintons have a history of getting into hot water
frequently and selling their name and access to the
highest bidder. Anyone remember the Lincoln bedroom.
This will not change. Her support is based on limited choice
for the electorate. Not passion. And right or wrong, the country
will quickly turn against her as they are reminded of the Clintons
evasive actions.
History definitely. Two terms. No way.
But the Clintons have a history of getting into hot water
frequently and selling their name and access to the
highest bidder. Anyone remember the Lincoln bedroom.
This will not change. Her support is based on limited choice
for the electorate. Not passion. And right or wrong, the country
will quickly turn against her as they are reminded of the Clintons
evasive actions.
History definitely. Two terms. No way.
2
The world has had many prime ministers and presidents who were female, so to call this historical is incorrect. Historical for America, perhaps, but not the world. Furthermore, for the first time in history, both major party presidential noms are either being sued in federal court or are under federal investigation, so is this really a "triumph"? Not for the people. For Mrs. Clinton it sure is - but her campaign was never about the people, it's always been about her. I'm still not with her.
5
Its so honest and refreshing for the Times, a newspaper after all, to call for Mrs. Clinton to answer questions from the press at a news conference. What courage! It must have been very difficult to take time out from bashing her opponent at every turn, as he's held press conferences most every day, providing plenty of fodder for every type of exaggeration and distortion and call for shy Hillary to do the same. Its too bad the vast right wing conspiracy might get a chance to get some answers from her of questions that originate from honest journalists that aren't in the tank.
6
It is disappointing that so many Sanders supporters cannot see the forest for the trees, in that their non-support of Hillary will only bolster the probability of a Trump presidency. This is the exact same "burn it all down" school of thought, (and calling this "thought" is actually giving this approach too much credit), of the Trumpians themselves. As someone else mentioned, the die hard Sanders supporters have become the Liberal version of the Tea Party. Disappointing indeed.
4
Bernie has waged a brilliant campaign. He was always a prohibitive long-shot in a system designed to act as a firewall against populist uprisings. In Trump we see what happens when the firewall fails. Unlike the GOP, the Democratic Party doesn’t need to burn itself to the ground in order to evolve. Sander’s didn''t need to win for his movement to succeed.
Sen. Sanders has gained political capital and clout that has already influenced the Democratic issues and platform. As a Sander’s supporter I applaud the way he is using his leverage.
Clintonism has always been about lip service to the left and delivering to the right. I’ll happily vote for Hillary Clinton come November but I'll take a trust but verify attitude that the Left is getting more than lip service. Bernie, and the sentiments exposed in the primary process, make it more likely progressive issues get more than lip service.
Sen. Sanders has gained political capital and clout that has already influenced the Democratic issues and platform. As a Sander’s supporter I applaud the way he is using his leverage.
Clintonism has always been about lip service to the left and delivering to the right. I’ll happily vote for Hillary Clinton come November but I'll take a trust but verify attitude that the Left is getting more than lip service. Bernie, and the sentiments exposed in the primary process, make it more likely progressive issues get more than lip service.
4
What are the things that we would like to see in a President. I think there are several important qualifications.
First, the president is our spokesperson. I recently heard Mr. Obama giving a speech and felt proud that he was my president. He sounded like a serious adult. Mr. Trump has the poise to deliver speeches but not the discipline to give serious speeches representing my country. Ms. Clinton presents her thoughts clearly and with dignity.
Second, The president has to get the nuts and bolts of the government to work properly. Bush got kicked badly with poor response to Hurricane Katrina. Being an executive requires a broad skill and hard work. In our government it requires extreme seriousness. Trump Universities or errant bankruptcies are not tolerated, there is a need for dogged hard work.
Third, leadership is needed. If we need to get things done, you have to be a politician. You have to convince others to work hard to get things done. Trump might be capable, but he shows extremism currently. Knowledge of your partners and the ability to work with them is critical.
Fourth, the president has to represent more than just those that voted for you. If you have a wild theory, like no Mexicans in courts, you will hurt the country. You can nudge the politics to your theory but we are not in a position now to reinvent the central notions of of who we are or how we get things done.
Clinton: 3
Trump: 2
Sanders: 1.5
First, the president is our spokesperson. I recently heard Mr. Obama giving a speech and felt proud that he was my president. He sounded like a serious adult. Mr. Trump has the poise to deliver speeches but not the discipline to give serious speeches representing my country. Ms. Clinton presents her thoughts clearly and with dignity.
Second, The president has to get the nuts and bolts of the government to work properly. Bush got kicked badly with poor response to Hurricane Katrina. Being an executive requires a broad skill and hard work. In our government it requires extreme seriousness. Trump Universities or errant bankruptcies are not tolerated, there is a need for dogged hard work.
Third, leadership is needed. If we need to get things done, you have to be a politician. You have to convince others to work hard to get things done. Trump might be capable, but he shows extremism currently. Knowledge of your partners and the ability to work with them is critical.
Fourth, the president has to represent more than just those that voted for you. If you have a wild theory, like no Mexicans in courts, you will hurt the country. You can nudge the politics to your theory but we are not in a position now to reinvent the central notions of of who we are or how we get things done.
Clinton: 3
Trump: 2
Sanders: 1.5
1
She can win fairly and still not be the right choice. People often make the wrong decision in the voting booth. In my 43 years of life I've only really kind of liked one president - and that's Obama. Even still, his first term was not all that great for gay people, and we had to be on top of him. He turned that around in his second term but he still hasn't really fixed a couple big issues for me: the ME, the enviornment and privacy rights. That's more the institution itself then him I'm sure, but it's still disheartening. So I'm used to not liking candidates or presidents. This is no different. I believe we had a bit of a respite but back to the usual until the left can rally and push out the neoliberals one day.
5
Well, any young person staying at home and having difficulty seeing the vast difference between Clinton and Trump should get a reality check. And they should also ponder the decisions each presidential candidate will make for example regarding student loans, gender equality, climate change, international affairs - you name it! The my (Bernie Sanders) way, or the highway approach to politics isn't very constructive.
9
While true this is a milestone for women, tragically this candidate is contemporary victory for the failed status quo. We are left with a choice between a crude member of the billionaire class and a shrewd puppet of the billionaire class. In either case, the 1% will continue to control the rest of our lives. Not much of a choice for those of us who have been so excited by Bernie Sanders and hope for the 99%.
14
When Barack Obama won the nomination, I was mad at him and thought I would never vote for him. Well, months later I changed my mind because the idea of a republican in office was abhorrent to me. For all those Bernie supporters, I hope they cool down and realize the prospect of Trump as president is far more disturbing than anything Hillary could do. If they really care about changing the political scene, I would like to them all to vote in the mid-term elections in 2018. Far too many people ignore the mid-terms which allows the status quo to remain the same.
5
I'm sorry if Sander's supporters cannot accept the truth of the simple math behind the substantial lead Hillary Clinton has in both popular votes and delegate count. Perhaps the media can explain the math to them. Perhaps the media can stop perpetuating the myth that this was a closer race than it really was.
It's also very tiresome on how the media trying to dig up the "controversy" over wall street "transcripts" (that we don't even know exist). Has anyone in that position ever had transcripts released - and for what reason? Did Sanders get scrutiny for releasing only one year of his tax returns? Or his dubious funds for his campaign? Where was the media when it was revealed Powell and Rice used private email servers?
It seems as if Clinton is surely on her way to the White House. But her battle isn't with Trump. It's with the House. Wouldn't it be great if the media can report on something more substantial than focusing on a bunch of disgruntled Sander's supporters who will not tip the scale on the real battle.
It's also very tiresome on how the media trying to dig up the "controversy" over wall street "transcripts" (that we don't even know exist). Has anyone in that position ever had transcripts released - and for what reason? Did Sanders get scrutiny for releasing only one year of his tax returns? Or his dubious funds for his campaign? Where was the media when it was revealed Powell and Rice used private email servers?
It seems as if Clinton is surely on her way to the White House. But her battle isn't with Trump. It's with the House. Wouldn't it be great if the media can report on something more substantial than focusing on a bunch of disgruntled Sander's supporters who will not tip the scale on the real battle.
4
Hillary Clinton won on pledged delegates and primary votes, she is deservedly the nominee of the Democratic Party. Do I believe she is perfect? No, but I have yet to see any candidate that is. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter but he will not be the nominee, he can influence the party platform, but he is not the nominee nor will he be and it is just making it worse for his young supporters to believe there is a chance when there isn't one.
I will vote for Hillary Clinton and hope that she follows through on a progressive agenda. What I will not do is sit home and allow a narcissist, racist xenophobe to become President because if he does I fear for my country.
I will vote for Hillary Clinton and hope that she follows through on a progressive agenda. What I will not do is sit home and allow a narcissist, racist xenophobe to become President because if he does I fear for my country.
4
Bernie Sanders supporters, for the most part, are not going to back Clinton. I certainly won't. Was the primary process fair? No, but you'd have to be a fool to think it would be. The Democratic Party apparatus, the media and above all the 1% were never going to allow Bernie Sanders to become the nominee. The guy is a socialist and apparently not for sale.
So was the process rigged? Of course it was as we saw when Elizabeth Warren was dissuaded from running; when the super delegates somehow decided en masse that they were all backing Hillary even before the first debate or primary. When Harry Reid got the Vegas hotels to pay their workers to caucus for Hillary. When the voting rules concerning voter eligibility seeming got changed on primary days in many states including New York and California, and young Sanders voters were systematically disenfranchised all over the country.
Would all that have a made a difference? Maybe not, but we'll never know.
As for Hillary making history as a woman; yeah its now clear that any woman from anywhere can get the Democratic nomination as long as they are married to an ex President. What Hillary's nomination really demonstrates is never underestimate the power of nepotism in politics. And also that when Wall Street and the Ruling Class want to buy an election; the mainstream media—the pathetic, dying mainstream media—is there to be bought. Good work New York Times, don't think your yeoman's work this cycle has gone unnoticed!
So was the process rigged? Of course it was as we saw when Elizabeth Warren was dissuaded from running; when the super delegates somehow decided en masse that they were all backing Hillary even before the first debate or primary. When Harry Reid got the Vegas hotels to pay their workers to caucus for Hillary. When the voting rules concerning voter eligibility seeming got changed on primary days in many states including New York and California, and young Sanders voters were systematically disenfranchised all over the country.
Would all that have a made a difference? Maybe not, but we'll never know.
As for Hillary making history as a woman; yeah its now clear that any woman from anywhere can get the Democratic nomination as long as they are married to an ex President. What Hillary's nomination really demonstrates is never underestimate the power of nepotism in politics. And also that when Wall Street and the Ruling Class want to buy an election; the mainstream media—the pathetic, dying mainstream media—is there to be bought. Good work New York Times, don't think your yeoman's work this cycle has gone unnoticed!
7
Hillary demonstrates again and again the maxim that the perfect is the enemy of the good. It is preposterous to portray her as a champion of the 1% after the work she has done though a lifetime of service for girls, women, blacks, latinos, working class men and women of every color and ethnicity. Her attempt to bring universal health care to America during Bill Clinton's first term, and the ridicule it cost her by entrenched interests could hardly be characterized as a campaign for the 1%. And not so finally, Bernie's argument that he is the more formidable opponent to Donald Trump is blatant sexism exercised by the waging finger of male authority. It's as false a premise as the 1%. If you can't bow out gracefully, Bernie, do it any way you can. i..e. think Vermont: If you can't execute a parallel turn, a snowplow will do just fine. Barbara Bonfigli, Santa Fe, NM
4
Now that the votes are rolling in, it is pretty obvious that Clinton is winning fairly. AP calling the election yesterday was highly irresponsible. If I didn't know better, it seemed an almost purposeful attempt to sabotage relations between the two Democratic contenders. In any case, today's win by Clinton is far from a squeaker.
I would have preferred it be closer, since Sanders has many good ideas which should be in the Democratic platform. Hopefully, the Democratic establishment will be wise enough to accommodate the leftward push of the Bernie backers.
I would have preferred it be closer, since Sanders has many good ideas which should be in the Democratic platform. Hopefully, the Democratic establishment will be wise enough to accommodate the leftward push of the Bernie backers.
3
The editors conclude that "Mrs. Clinton again showed in her foreign policy speech last week, she understands what the presidential race should be: a contest of ideas and overall fitness to lead. Such a campaign could inspire millions of newly energized young people to stay engaged through the election and beyond, which would be another remarkable achievement."
Not sure if I can speak for the other Sanders supporters out there, but (as one myself) I surely wasn't *inspired* by her foreign policy speech. If anything, I find her foreign policy downright scary.
If she's looking to inspire us, instead of reading off a prepared speech on her foreign policies which we have already heard numerous times before, why not read to us a prepared speech we haven't yet heard. Like one of those speeches she gave to the Wall Street bankers!
Not sure if I can speak for the other Sanders supporters out there, but (as one myself) I surely wasn't *inspired* by her foreign policy speech. If anything, I find her foreign policy downright scary.
If she's looking to inspire us, instead of reading off a prepared speech on her foreign policies which we have already heard numerous times before, why not read to us a prepared speech we haven't yet heard. Like one of those speeches she gave to the Wall Street bankers!
9
We see many Sanders supporters in various Kubler-Ross stages -- denial, anger, trying to deal -- but one common statement is that HRC will need to bend to the will of Bernie, because she needs the Sanders voters to win.
In its extreme form it's just denial -- "we'll win in the end," and often rather bizarre by being accompanied in the same breath by some dollop of Hillary-hate and "I'm never voting for HRC anyway."
HRC needs votes to win the election, but given the electoral college and winner-take-all state electors (in all but 3 states) ... the voters she needs are in a handful of swing states.
And guess what? If Bernie was the nominee, he would need voters in those very same places.
Any Republican candidate will see the same reality, need those same votes.
It is notorious that politicians run for the nomination pitching to the more extreme "base" of their party and then tack back to the center to try to win the election; this process is more extreme and embarrassing in the Republican party (it destroyed Romney), but the Democrats do it too ... it's inevitable.
One of the sad results here is that in losing the nomination Sanders remains the perfect saint and victim to his people -- if he were to win the presidency he'd need to "triangulate" in ways that would displease many of his supporters too.
In its extreme form it's just denial -- "we'll win in the end," and often rather bizarre by being accompanied in the same breath by some dollop of Hillary-hate and "I'm never voting for HRC anyway."
HRC needs votes to win the election, but given the electoral college and winner-take-all state electors (in all but 3 states) ... the voters she needs are in a handful of swing states.
And guess what? If Bernie was the nominee, he would need voters in those very same places.
Any Republican candidate will see the same reality, need those same votes.
It is notorious that politicians run for the nomination pitching to the more extreme "base" of their party and then tack back to the center to try to win the election; this process is more extreme and embarrassing in the Republican party (it destroyed Romney), but the Democrats do it too ... it's inevitable.
One of the sad results here is that in losing the nomination Sanders remains the perfect saint and victim to his people -- if he were to win the presidency he'd need to "triangulate" in ways that would displease many of his supporters too.
1
I was in the audience at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women, in 1995, in Beijing, where Hillary pronounced that "Human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights once and for all." It was one of the most electrifying and inspirational speeches I'd ever heard, and I've admired her ever since.
Afterwards I passed Hillary and her circle of handlers in the convention hall and her face was glowing in triumph. She earned it, as she has earned this nomination.
Afterwards I passed Hillary and her circle of handlers in the convention hall and her face was glowing in triumph. She earned it, as she has earned this nomination.
3
Clinton's candidacy casts a grim shadow over the near future for the US and for the world. She will likely win the presidency and defeat the monstrous Trump. Yet what her nomination on the democratic ticket indicates is that a door has been closed on the political expression in the US of a questioning spirit that has emerged worldwide. It is a questioning of old parties, of political casts, of rule by corporations... this spirit is still alive in Europe with Jeremy Corbin leading the Labor Party and with the new kids on the block of Podemos. In Austria a green party outsider recently defeated the fascistoid candidate.
Of course it makes sense that there is too much at stake in the scramble to rule Wa$hington for established power to permit much free play on the homefront. Yet it is sad to see it happen. I hope the grey shadow of Ms. Clinton defeats the protofascist Trump. Yet I cannot say that my heart is in the project.
Of course it makes sense that there is too much at stake in the scramble to rule Wa$hington for established power to permit much free play on the homefront. Yet it is sad to see it happen. I hope the grey shadow of Ms. Clinton defeats the protofascist Trump. Yet I cannot say that my heart is in the project.
6
Some in the corporate controlled media including some at the NYT insist on perpetuating the myth that this election was not heavily slanted in favor of Hillary. Fortunately most millennials and half of Gen Xers get their news through social media and particularly Facebook. Most Bernie supporters are armed with facts and they won't believe the phony meme promulgated by the main stream media.
Shortly after Bernie announced that he was going to run as a Democrat, Howard Dean publicly thanked him because he knew he would bring in young independents and hopefully bring back older disaffected Democrats. DWS and the Democratic elite gave Bernie lip service even as they tilted the playing field heavily toward Hillary starting with over 400 superdelegates endorsing Clinton before the first debate. Going forward it got worse for the Sanders campaign because at every turn the Democratic establishment employed tactics to suppress his success. Shillary's look lame trying to defend and deflect the undemocratic political stunts of the Democratic Party. Winning at any cost never looks good.
Now, the Democrats need Bernie supporters to become Hillary supporters. There is no enthusiasm for Hillary and if Bernie endorses her, he would lose the respect of millions of his supporters. Clinton and the Democrats won this battle but they set themselves up to lose the war.
Ironically, Trump and his revolution have prevailed even as they receive grudging support from the Republican establishment.
Shortly after Bernie announced that he was going to run as a Democrat, Howard Dean publicly thanked him because he knew he would bring in young independents and hopefully bring back older disaffected Democrats. DWS and the Democratic elite gave Bernie lip service even as they tilted the playing field heavily toward Hillary starting with over 400 superdelegates endorsing Clinton before the first debate. Going forward it got worse for the Sanders campaign because at every turn the Democratic establishment employed tactics to suppress his success. Shillary's look lame trying to defend and deflect the undemocratic political stunts of the Democratic Party. Winning at any cost never looks good.
Now, the Democrats need Bernie supporters to become Hillary supporters. There is no enthusiasm for Hillary and if Bernie endorses her, he would lose the respect of millions of his supporters. Clinton and the Democrats won this battle but they set themselves up to lose the war.
Ironically, Trump and his revolution have prevailed even as they receive grudging support from the Republican establishment.
9
Hillary is very good at not being Trump, which I guess will have to be good enough for me for the time being. I think most Sanders voters will come around to this view as long as she and her handlers can keep a lid on their tendency toward acting like the voting public owes them something. Fingers crossed.
But looking to the future, those of us who would like to see the Democrats become a party of working- and middle-class interests again can take heart nonetheless: had a more familiar alternative voice entered the race, and done so with a bigger initial splash, that person might well have come out on top. The key will be to apply that lesson, and this newfound energy, to build a populist-progressive coalition within the party over the next few years, if we ever hope to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests.
But looking to the future, those of us who would like to see the Democrats become a party of working- and middle-class interests again can take heart nonetheless: had a more familiar alternative voice entered the race, and done so with a bigger initial splash, that person might well have come out on top. The key will be to apply that lesson, and this newfound energy, to build a populist-progressive coalition within the party over the next few years, if we ever hope to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests.
3
It doesn't matter what the Clintons say or promise or who they agree to appoint. Once the DNC convention is over their focus will be a very negative campaign to reduce independent voting and a chump call to democrats and minorities. Sanders must create an independent movement that endures after 2016. The Democratic establishment is part of the problem. Wall Street and corporate interests have captured both parties, aided by their sycophants - the Clintons.
7
Sanders supports feel cheated, and believe that there should be open primaries. Well here in California we had an open primary. While polls showed Bernies was "close", due to non-partisans Hillary beat him by 13%. I don't think it would have changed the out come. And ok let the supers delegates be apportioned according to the vote. Still Hillary wins. So there last argument is he has better poll numbers. Well how did that work out in California.
In the end Hillary won fair and square. It's time for mister Sanders to pull the plug. If not at the convention, the rules should make it so no non democratic should be allowed to change their stripes and run two weeks before hand.
In the end Hillary won fair and square. It's time for mister Sanders to pull the plug. If not at the convention, the rules should make it so no non democratic should be allowed to change their stripes and run two weeks before hand.
1
The point has been made that she is a woman and the first woman running from a national platform for president. It seems like its all about her. But its not, its about the country and the policies that she is going to propose and follow. The country does not need the status quo. That is why Trump won the Republican nomination. Bernie is setting another course for this country. Clinton is leading us in the same direction.
I voted for Obama, not because he was black. He could have been from Mars. I voted for his platform and policies.
I voted for Obama, not because he was black. He could have been from Mars. I voted for his platform and policies.
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"...they believe in the power of ordinary people to influence their government... they say that a fair and inclusive process is more important to them than seeing their favored candidate win."
Sounds like biased questioning to me. For example, ask the typical 18 year old "Do you believe in the power of ordinary people to influence their government?". You'll likely hear "yes" as an answer. Now ask "Who do you believe has the power to influence government?". The answer is unlikely to be "ordinary people". Same holds true for the second statement,
As for Clinton, two-thirds of Sanders' supporters will vote Clinton by default. The other third won't vote for her regardless. The real problem is getting the favorable side to turn out. Hillary isn't exactly known for her inspirational qualities. Personally, I won't vote against Clinton but I sure won't phone bank for her either. I think that adequately demonstrates Clinton's dilemma.
Sounds like biased questioning to me. For example, ask the typical 18 year old "Do you believe in the power of ordinary people to influence their government?". You'll likely hear "yes" as an answer. Now ask "Who do you believe has the power to influence government?". The answer is unlikely to be "ordinary people". Same holds true for the second statement,
As for Clinton, two-thirds of Sanders' supporters will vote Clinton by default. The other third won't vote for her regardless. The real problem is getting the favorable side to turn out. Hillary isn't exactly known for her inspirational qualities. Personally, I won't vote against Clinton but I sure won't phone bank for her either. I think that adequately demonstrates Clinton's dilemma.
1
It's not a question of convincing Sanders supporters that she "won fairly." It's a question of convincing them, and independents like me, that she stands for something, anything. Besides unbridled personal ambition.
Hillary was chosen long before any primaries by the same dark-of-night process which gave us the so-called superdelegates, who in actuality function more like a Praetorian Guard around the Chosen One. She ranks poorly among Democrats and independents in polls measuring trustworthiness and consistency. Because she has never been, over a career in the public eye, either consistent or trustworthy. Bernie's appeal (although as a national candidate he clearly has his own limitations) is that he is exactly what Clinton (and her husband) have never been: consistent and trustworthy. That Sanders has lasted as long as he has, and won as many primaries as he did, is a direct measure of the unease within the Democratic Party for Clinton II.
After all, who can forget such whoppers as "I never had sex with that woman [gosh, do I even know her name?]...Ms. Lewinsky," or "the vast right-wing conspiracy" Hillary conjured because Republicans didn't believe this absurd denial; "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is," or how Hillary and her daughter were under direct "sniper fire" during a visit to Bosnia, etc. etc. For the Clintons, lying is both an art form and a way of life.
Is Hillary smart? Yes. Reasonably well-informed? Yes. Better than Trump? Hell yes. Trustworthy? No.
Hillary was chosen long before any primaries by the same dark-of-night process which gave us the so-called superdelegates, who in actuality function more like a Praetorian Guard around the Chosen One. She ranks poorly among Democrats and independents in polls measuring trustworthiness and consistency. Because she has never been, over a career in the public eye, either consistent or trustworthy. Bernie's appeal (although as a national candidate he clearly has his own limitations) is that he is exactly what Clinton (and her husband) have never been: consistent and trustworthy. That Sanders has lasted as long as he has, and won as many primaries as he did, is a direct measure of the unease within the Democratic Party for Clinton II.
After all, who can forget such whoppers as "I never had sex with that woman [gosh, do I even know her name?]...Ms. Lewinsky," or "the vast right-wing conspiracy" Hillary conjured because Republicans didn't believe this absurd denial; "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is," or how Hillary and her daughter were under direct "sniper fire" during a visit to Bosnia, etc. etc. For the Clintons, lying is both an art form and a way of life.
Is Hillary smart? Yes. Reasonably well-informed? Yes. Better than Trump? Hell yes. Trustworthy? No.
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Hillary Clinton won because she got more votes than Bernie Sanders. That's it. Period. I supported Bernie but I turned out to be in the minority. That's how it goes in elections sometimes. This attitude that Bernie was "cheated" and "deserves" to win quite frankly brings out the worst stereotypes of entitled Millenials. I think Clinton could do more to bring Sanders voters into the fold, for sure, but that's another issue entirely.
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Bernie Sanders is the eldest of the three natural history museum exhibit escapees on the evolution of ancient man. Yet Sanders is the freshest newest face with a clear liberal progressive humble humane empathetic convincing message that is the nourishing root of the Democratic Party.
Hillary in her political rerun "it is my turn" mode instead of remake is as dishonorable, dishonest, hypocritical, cowardly, craven, greedy and corrupt as ever. Donald Trump is a corrupt crony capitalist corporate plutocrat oligarch welfare king. A real estate and mass media mogul prince who managed to defeat a howling pack of party challengers. Hillary and Donald are mostly fraternal socioeconomic political educational military national defense twins.
Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump triumphant would be a really heavy bad burden for America and Americans.
Hillary in her political rerun "it is my turn" mode instead of remake is as dishonorable, dishonest, hypocritical, cowardly, craven, greedy and corrupt as ever. Donald Trump is a corrupt crony capitalist corporate plutocrat oligarch welfare king. A real estate and mass media mogul prince who managed to defeat a howling pack of party challengers. Hillary and Donald are mostly fraternal socioeconomic political educational military national defense twins.
Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump triumphant would be a really heavy bad burden for America and Americans.
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Hillary has a serious uphill battle. I supported Bernie, in spite of the fact that I disagree with 90% of his proposals. The one and only reason I supported Bernie was to get rid of the corrupt professional politicians who have sold our government to the highest bidder.
Now that Bernie's out of the race, my only option is Donald Trump. I am enthusiastically supporting him for exactly the same reason that I supported Bernie. He's the only outsider who can end the current corrupt system. Yes, I really cringe at a lot of stuff he says, but nobody's perfect.
I am willing to bet that there are a LOT of Bernie Sanders supporters who feel exactly the way I do.
Now that Bernie's out of the race, my only option is Donald Trump. I am enthusiastically supporting him for exactly the same reason that I supported Bernie. He's the only outsider who can end the current corrupt system. Yes, I really cringe at a lot of stuff he says, but nobody's perfect.
I am willing to bet that there are a LOT of Bernie Sanders supporters who feel exactly the way I do.
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Convincing Bernie Sanders' supporters that this was a fair election is going to be nothing short of impossible, because they have proven themselves to be steadfast in their belief that they are the ONLY ones to represent "the will of The People", and this was their time to win.
They blame the fact that they lost on everything from voter suppression, to Media conspiracy, to theft, to fraud -- and their threats and willingness to use violence barely distinguishes them from any average lynch mob.
While Sanders might have had a valid message about equal distribution of wealth and far reaching social reforms, it has since been reduced to nothing short of a scorched earth policy.
These are people who have frequently said they would rather vote for Donald Trump than Clinton.
How do you reason with that?
They blame the fact that they lost on everything from voter suppression, to Media conspiracy, to theft, to fraud -- and their threats and willingness to use violence barely distinguishes them from any average lynch mob.
While Sanders might have had a valid message about equal distribution of wealth and far reaching social reforms, it has since been reduced to nothing short of a scorched earth policy.
These are people who have frequently said they would rather vote for Donald Trump than Clinton.
How do you reason with that?
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The American Constitution only allows one to serve as President for two terms. This will give Bill Clinton a third term, in reality. He will lead her economic team, and do what he did previously, do what he can to uplift the investor class by destroying the poor in America by exporting jobs and destroying the social net, including welfare.
He is a moderate Republican who sees corporate America as what he needs to champion. What Hillary is about will most likely be irrelevant. Some would say I am too pessimistic, but eight more years of the Clintons will hurt the very poor, I am sure of it.
And, I am sure, millions of poor Democrats will cross vote for Trump, unless Bernie or someone like him is her VP and she someone gets the progressive bug.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
He is a moderate Republican who sees corporate America as what he needs to champion. What Hillary is about will most likely be irrelevant. Some would say I am too pessimistic, but eight more years of the Clintons will hurt the very poor, I am sure of it.
And, I am sure, millions of poor Democrats will cross vote for Trump, unless Bernie or someone like him is her VP and she someone gets the progressive bug.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
5
In 2008 I was a diehard supporter of Hillary who had said that I will never ever vote for Obama. I was certain that I will vote for MaCain. Then, a few weeks passed and I heard Obama and MaCain in the general election campaign and realized what was at stake and, not only voted for Obama, I actually campaigned for him! I have never been happier that I decided to vote for Obama. In this election, voting for Trump would be voting for setting the country back decades, destroying eight years of hard work by President Obama to get this country out of the mess Bush and Republicans had created, giving The Supreme Court to the neocons, and possible fascism. Sanders has lost fair and square and, I hope, his supporters will understand that our country can't afford a Trump presidency. It is time to unite and defeat this hate mongering, know-nothing and self promoting racist. America can not turn the clock back. Stakes can not be higher.
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The "women's rights" issue (associated with Mrs. Clinton's bid for President) is both right and wrong.
It's right that women deserve equal opportunity, equal salary and equal status, both here and abroad. Across the globe, women are horribly mistreated for sure.
It's wrong, in my opinion, if Mrs. Clinton uses her presidency to advance women's rights, as a personal agenda. Her job, like any president's job, is to serve the country fairly and effectively.
I trust Hillary to do that. If she tries to make her presidency a platform for gender reform, per se, I believe she will set women's rights back, not forward.
It's right that women deserve equal opportunity, equal salary and equal status, both here and abroad. Across the globe, women are horribly mistreated for sure.
It's wrong, in my opinion, if Mrs. Clinton uses her presidency to advance women's rights, as a personal agenda. Her job, like any president's job, is to serve the country fairly and effectively.
I trust Hillary to do that. If she tries to make her presidency a platform for gender reform, per se, I believe she will set women's rights back, not forward.
Hillary didn't win fairly. I think it has been quite undemocratic, if we understand the term "democratic" healthily. I mean, if you had a democratic vote right now in Saudi Arabia, you'd see the king elected and the hijab affirmed. And yet, we wouldn't say it's a healthy democracy. Yes, Hillary won. But private media, rich money, 8 years of coronation promises, party institutions, African American elites that don't share values or interests with their constituents, lots of corporate money, and the misuse of identity politics shaped the process.
Of course, Hillary has plenty of appeal, and would win many reasonable people in a fair contest against a decent field of candidates. But what would her finances have looked like with 0 corporate money and 0 maxed-out donations from people making over $100,000/year? What would it have looked like if BLM activists had leadership sway that southern black elites do? What would it have looked like if the corporate-owned media (like the NYT) looked exactly like NPR, which approached this primary with ambivalence and great interest in elements of the campaigns of both candidates, and which is what media are more like in better countries? What would the election look like if neoliberal Democrats hadn't successfully spent the last several decades severing social and economic progressivism so that marginal groups aren't cued into the political process to support policies like those proposed by Sanders that would hugely benefit them?
Of course, Hillary has plenty of appeal, and would win many reasonable people in a fair contest against a decent field of candidates. But what would her finances have looked like with 0 corporate money and 0 maxed-out donations from people making over $100,000/year? What would it have looked like if BLM activists had leadership sway that southern black elites do? What would it have looked like if the corporate-owned media (like the NYT) looked exactly like NPR, which approached this primary with ambivalence and great interest in elements of the campaigns of both candidates, and which is what media are more like in better countries? What would the election look like if neoliberal Democrats hadn't successfully spent the last several decades severing social and economic progressivism so that marginal groups aren't cued into the political process to support policies like those proposed by Sanders that would hugely benefit them?
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This is clearly the most exciting election of this 61 one year old woman's life. My daughters can now think that anything is possible-even being the President of the US. It is certainly time for the US to have a woman run this great country. I am confident that we will have the most robust 8 years of dedication to our country and the values that have made this country great-equality, opportunity for all-regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, net worth, and a strong belief in preserving the earth for future generations Time for Grumpy Bernie to realize how horrible his behavior has been. Either join with the majority of voters and move forward , or go home Bernie!!!
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Sanders supporters may lament the decisions of the superdelegates, but Clinton supporters need to recognize that the superdelegates' decisions aren't final until the votes are cast. That's the system.
If Clinton wants to convince Sanders supporters that she won 'fairly' the least she and her surrogates in politics and the media can do is follow the process.
As of this morning, she has 2184 pledged delegates. At the convention, she will need the votes of 2383 delegates to claim the nomination. More than enough superdelegates have expressed their intention to vote for Clinton in order to make everyone pretty darn confident that, absent some devastating scandal, she'll get enough votes on the first ballot to be nominated.
If Clinton had 2383 pledged delegates, Clinton absolutely should confidently lay claim to the nomination and demand that Democrats unite behind her. But the Democratic party has chosen to reserve a substantial portion of the nomination votes for party officials and insiders, so the fact is Clinton doesn't yet have enough pledged delegates to do so.
If Clinton wants to convince Sanders supporters that she won 'fairly' the least she and her surrogates in politics and the media can do is follow the process.
As of this morning, she has 2184 pledged delegates. At the convention, she will need the votes of 2383 delegates to claim the nomination. More than enough superdelegates have expressed their intention to vote for Clinton in order to make everyone pretty darn confident that, absent some devastating scandal, she'll get enough votes on the first ballot to be nominated.
If Clinton had 2383 pledged delegates, Clinton absolutely should confidently lay claim to the nomination and demand that Democrats unite behind her. But the Democratic party has chosen to reserve a substantial portion of the nomination votes for party officials and insiders, so the fact is Clinton doesn't yet have enough pledged delegates to do so.
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Hillary won by following the rules set forth by the DNC. Whether people want to accept it or not our political parties are not governed by the US Constitution. They are political clubs that choose to run a candidate for president and they set up their own systems and procedures to do so. As a Californian I have always accepted that "democracy" is relative. Although we have over 38,000,000 (million) people in our state to Vermont's 675,000 (thousand) we each state has two Senators. It was set up that way to give each "sovereign" state an "equal" voice. One could argue the merits (or lack of) this political system all day long. It is definitely not one person, one vote and majority rules and definitely not a true democracy. The super delegates are all well entrenched loyal Democrats who are the backbone of the party and who if you are a member of the Democratic party you understand that. Get with it peeps the system isn't perfect, but it does provide some order. Bernie became a Democrat to run for president and he knew the rules going in and now he is whining. Please.
5
Just a few thoughts. First, there is a pronounced element within the Sanders camp that is impervious to rational thought. One could easily imagine that if either Trump or Mrs. Clinton won the General Election, that the Bernie Bros would declare that their candidate would still be sworn in as President. Second, those voters who steadfastly refuse to register in the Democratic Party have no right to vote in the Democratic primary. If you want to steer the party, then join the party. Third, after 25 years of character assassination, gutter sniping and outright slander by her political Clinton is under no obligation to address any of the nonsensical charges that will be slung against the wall on a daily basis. Fourth, I’m not convinced that press conferences are useful at all. For the past few months, the media has shamed itself in reporting on this race. The insanity of the Trump campaign is routinely ignored. The mathematical impossibility of the Sanders campaign to secure the nomination has been downplayed. Many news outlets reported on outlier poll results to show that Sanders could win in California. After last night’s 12 point victory by candidate Clinton, that reporting has been revealed to be purposefully misleading. Why should that same national media be given the opportunity to frame the issues of the campaign so that it can profit from misdirection and inaccurate reporting?
4
If the Bernie voters want a presidential candidate who is more progressive then they must start voting for progressive congressmen, senators and governors. This is the pool from which the presidential candidates emerge. Laws favoring the wealthy, laws that hurt our environment and laws that stymie the education of all will only be amended when the Congress has a majority of progressives. One Senator from Vermont was a good start but it is going to take many more elected progressives to make a difference. OK 18 to 40 year olds, time to start working on your future.
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Let's get this out of the way. Yes, Hillary is the first woman to be a major party candidate for President of the United States. The list of major countries of the world who have done this, many for decades, is not a short one, and we should not be dislocating our shoulders patting ourselves on the back. It is already time for Hillary to move on and no longer make it a mandatory applause line every time she is in front of a microphone. Those sitting on the fence where she is concerned are not going to be impressed by her brag, and brag it is, but may well get off that fence...on the wrong side of it.
The issue is not her gender. The issue is the disaster known as Donald Trump that a craven Republican Party has allowed itself to be saddled with. Having a woman leading a ticket is less to be celebrated than having a racist, misogynist, narcissistic sociopath leading a major party is be feared. Hillary's first major task and goal is to move to accommodate Bernie's army, not try to harangue them into falling in line. She should take into consideration her own words about Trump in a recent speech and not rub salt in wounds. It burns, it does nothing to speed healing but quite the opposite, it inflames and exacerbates.
Talk to us. Don't preach. Don't exhort. And do it as an equal, not as the "first female."
The issue is not her gender. The issue is the disaster known as Donald Trump that a craven Republican Party has allowed itself to be saddled with. Having a woman leading a ticket is less to be celebrated than having a racist, misogynist, narcissistic sociopath leading a major party is be feared. Hillary's first major task and goal is to move to accommodate Bernie's army, not try to harangue them into falling in line. She should take into consideration her own words about Trump in a recent speech and not rub salt in wounds. It burns, it does nothing to speed healing but quite the opposite, it inflames and exacerbates.
Talk to us. Don't preach. Don't exhort. And do it as an equal, not as the "first female."
5
I'll definitely be voting for her and almost certainly campaigning for her to defeat Drumpf. BUT - I really hope Bernie and his supporters at the Dem convention prevail on the platform and in particular make a very strong stand against the kind of money-in-politics that the Clintons have exemplified, starting with prostitution of the Lincoln bedroom in the White House and continuing with the Clinton Foundation, which looks unfortunately similar to the kinds of "charities" used as vehicles for political corruption in places like Kenya and Russia. I would like to see the Dem convention force 100% transparency in the donors to the Clinton Foundation - dates, amounts, and the real-live "beneficial owners" of the vehicles used to make the donations. Bernie has earned some leverage and I really hope he uses it to the fullest!
3
I am with Hillary, No matter what I vote for her in November.
We are all understanding the new generation frustration with existing political system,
However, New generation must also spend time and try to understand 21ts century American politics and how it has been shaping up so far.
1- Last 16 years we witnessed center right wing part aka GOP was destroyed itself within, it become a party of obstruction as well as hallmark of disconnectedness from people.
2- Obama's presidency suffered from this unilateral collapse of GOP.
3- Hillary presidency will also face up same exact problem which severely dysfunctional Washington DC political system.
The reality of todays politics is our party system has very serious dysfunctional disorder.
Demanding from Hillary many things understandable but these people should also understand how hard to achieve the political goals in todays DC politics.
Two times American federal government shut down by GOP without any sensible goal or benefit to this nation.
Just imagine, if you are living in any country how incomprehensible is government shut down. Rwanda, in Congo , in Sudan, In Chad, In Afghanistan , this type of illogical thing never happened besides many things illogical.
In Belgium , entire country a western well established nation, run government without a elected cabinet one full year without shutting government functions.
We need to turn back normal political process.
We are all understanding the new generation frustration with existing political system,
However, New generation must also spend time and try to understand 21ts century American politics and how it has been shaping up so far.
1- Last 16 years we witnessed center right wing part aka GOP was destroyed itself within, it become a party of obstruction as well as hallmark of disconnectedness from people.
2- Obama's presidency suffered from this unilateral collapse of GOP.
3- Hillary presidency will also face up same exact problem which severely dysfunctional Washington DC political system.
The reality of todays politics is our party system has very serious dysfunctional disorder.
Demanding from Hillary many things understandable but these people should also understand how hard to achieve the political goals in todays DC politics.
Two times American federal government shut down by GOP without any sensible goal or benefit to this nation.
Just imagine, if you are living in any country how incomprehensible is government shut down. Rwanda, in Congo , in Sudan, In Chad, In Afghanistan , this type of illogical thing never happened besides many things illogical.
In Belgium , entire country a western well established nation, run government without a elected cabinet one full year without shutting government functions.
We need to turn back normal political process.
3
So, the gist of this editorial is, "Hillary Clinton is a woman. Vote for her." I guess the Times would have published a similar editorial, had Carly Fiorina won the Republican nomination.
Beyond that, the editorial presents a fairy tale version of Clinton, in which she has some wonderful ideas for reducing income inequality and lowering healthcare costs, if only someone would give her a chance to explain them. And, "Oh, wouldn't it be wonderful if she released her Goldman Sachs transcripts?". You know, to make clear just how blameless she is. And so on.
A wonderful fairy tale. Unfortunately for Clinton, the Sanders people have been on to her from the start. We might not be a majority at this point, but we're a large minority, and one that has no plans to vote for yet another big-money, lying politician who, behind all the smiles and fine words, only cares about increasing the fortunes of her family and her friends.
Beyond that, the editorial presents a fairy tale version of Clinton, in which she has some wonderful ideas for reducing income inequality and lowering healthcare costs, if only someone would give her a chance to explain them. And, "Oh, wouldn't it be wonderful if she released her Goldman Sachs transcripts?". You know, to make clear just how blameless she is. And so on.
A wonderful fairy tale. Unfortunately for Clinton, the Sanders people have been on to her from the start. We might not be a majority at this point, but we're a large minority, and one that has no plans to vote for yet another big-money, lying politician who, behind all the smiles and fine words, only cares about increasing the fortunes of her family and her friends.
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How does a Democratic in office help any more than a Republican? I think neither will help as our nation is too busy making social statements to notice the paint is peeling, the pipes are dripping, and the roof is leaking. How does a Democrat victory in November spell green lights, sunshine and lollipops anymore than if a Republican wins? It doesn't.
We are waning in influence politically and economically. For example our political strength versus Russia is waning as the former Communist state now outclasses us in all 3 legs of the nuclear triad so they act with impunity while we now maintain detente from a position of 2nd place. We find ourselves not the superhero but the side kick.
China has been working us on the ropes economically for sometimes and their push into the South China Sea reflects we don't matter much anymore and are politely told to shut up and sit down. I don't see that changing much in future no matter who is in the oval office.
While I applaud Secretary Clinton is her quest to the nomination I also shudder with the thought she might actually make it, not that I like the Donald. Hillary claims stupidity one moment and the next brilliance and has only shown herself to be an accomplished politician. I may actually not vote in this election and instead return to my youth when I didn't care what happened. Life was good.
We are waning in influence politically and economically. For example our political strength versus Russia is waning as the former Communist state now outclasses us in all 3 legs of the nuclear triad so they act with impunity while we now maintain detente from a position of 2nd place. We find ourselves not the superhero but the side kick.
China has been working us on the ropes economically for sometimes and their push into the South China Sea reflects we don't matter much anymore and are politely told to shut up and sit down. I don't see that changing much in future no matter who is in the oval office.
While I applaud Secretary Clinton is her quest to the nomination I also shudder with the thought she might actually make it, not that I like the Donald. Hillary claims stupidity one moment and the next brilliance and has only shown herself to be an accomplished politician. I may actually not vote in this election and instead return to my youth when I didn't care what happened. Life was good.
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"Unless she makes a substantial effort to win them over, they might stay home, and low turnout historically helps Republicans."
-- And herein lies the essence of the piece. What does HRC have to offer to the Sanders crowd? Better yet, what leverage will Sanders have at the Democratic Convention, having decided to stay in the race until Philadelphia and this having earned the right to offer leverage in deciding the nature, scope, and ideals of the Democratic platform?
Hillary may be the presumed nominee, but she will not get anywhere without the Sanders wing that has, despite all the DNC party elites' derision and revulsion, awakened a veritable army of voters and engaged citizens more interested in safeguarding democracy and good governance than continuing whatever "legacy" Hillary is carrying from the 1990s.
Her alleged leadership skills will now be put to the test as she desperately needs to secure a coalition with the Sanders camp. That may require offering Bernie a high ranking position either in the Party or on her ticket. The Bernie of Bust crowd is an inconvenient truth to Hillary and the DNC and one that needs to be overcome in time to go after Trump in November. Otherwise, the presumed nomination of the first women of a major political party will begin her "historic milestone" on very weak foundations.
-- And herein lies the essence of the piece. What does HRC have to offer to the Sanders crowd? Better yet, what leverage will Sanders have at the Democratic Convention, having decided to stay in the race until Philadelphia and this having earned the right to offer leverage in deciding the nature, scope, and ideals of the Democratic platform?
Hillary may be the presumed nominee, but she will not get anywhere without the Sanders wing that has, despite all the DNC party elites' derision and revulsion, awakened a veritable army of voters and engaged citizens more interested in safeguarding democracy and good governance than continuing whatever "legacy" Hillary is carrying from the 1990s.
Her alleged leadership skills will now be put to the test as she desperately needs to secure a coalition with the Sanders camp. That may require offering Bernie a high ranking position either in the Party or on her ticket. The Bernie of Bust crowd is an inconvenient truth to Hillary and the DNC and one that needs to be overcome in time to go after Trump in November. Otherwise, the presumed nomination of the first women of a major political party will begin her "historic milestone" on very weak foundations.
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Mrs. Clinton’s next hurdle is expressed quite clearly in the lead for today's editorial. I for one will not be able to vote for her with a clear conscience unless something is done to give me hope that my country’s badly degraded presidential voting system can be restored. The only way this can happen quickly enough for her to have my support in defeating the presumptive GOP candidate in November lies with the Democratic National Committee. By establishing its super-delegate system and appointing delegates without current voters’ input the DNC has stolen electors from the voting public. It is these 700-plus (roughly 15%) supers who have swung media opinion and likely many one-citizen-one-vote believers into the “Anyone but Trump!” camp. By anointing Mrs. Clinton years in advance of the party convention the DNC have committed to an individual whom many distrust, I among them. And at age 85 I am no Millenial. Action by the Democratic National Committee would not ensure America’s return to fair elections but it would be a first step.
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"Among some of his supporters there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice. This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment..."
Clinton will win the nomination, if she wins it, with the votes of the superdelegates, who include the elected officials and other democratic notables - the national leaders of the party. Among them are dozens of lobbyists who serve as the conduit of influence and cash between the power groups and the Democratic elected officials. If not for the superdelegates, Clinton would not get the nomination on the first ballot, and an open convention would result, with the pledged delegates chosen at the primaries freed to vote however they chose on subsequent ballots.
Therefore the party leaders have in fact made the decision and taken away the choice. No one disputes that this is exactly the function that superdelegates are supposed to play in the party - to give party insiders a significant and potentially decisive role in choosing the nominee.
Clinton could address this issue in a simple way - she could announce that she will only accept the nomination if superdelegates are discarded and the convention is allowed to go to a second or later ballot, and she wins the necessary number of delegates from amongst those chosen during the primaries. If she does not do this, then Sander's supporters are absolutely correct that party insiders have pre-empted their choice.
Clinton will win the nomination, if she wins it, with the votes of the superdelegates, who include the elected officials and other democratic notables - the national leaders of the party. Among them are dozens of lobbyists who serve as the conduit of influence and cash between the power groups and the Democratic elected officials. If not for the superdelegates, Clinton would not get the nomination on the first ballot, and an open convention would result, with the pledged delegates chosen at the primaries freed to vote however they chose on subsequent ballots.
Therefore the party leaders have in fact made the decision and taken away the choice. No one disputes that this is exactly the function that superdelegates are supposed to play in the party - to give party insiders a significant and potentially decisive role in choosing the nominee.
Clinton could address this issue in a simple way - she could announce that she will only accept the nomination if superdelegates are discarded and the convention is allowed to go to a second or later ballot, and she wins the necessary number of delegates from amongst those chosen during the primaries. If she does not do this, then Sander's supporters are absolutely correct that party insiders have pre-empted their choice.
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I see people talking about reforming the primary process to be "simpler and more accountable", "uniform primaries", etc. I disagree. These people want to turn an interesting process that tests the abilities of the candidates and their organizations on many levels into the equivalent of education's high stakes testing.
Contrary to the opinion of the losers, the Nevada process showed us, for example, that Hillary runs a team that covers the details and plans carefully. It showed that Bernie and his campaign were not up to the task. That's important information for voters.
Caucuses show a campaign's ability to reach out in a small-ball, emotional context. The sequence of conventions and their negotiations show the power and savvy of the candidate. These are all important.
Primaries replace this complexity with a single, uniform (and fairly boring) test. Money plays an outsize role because of advertising. So do special interest organizations who can muster volunteers. They, too, have their place but to change it all into a monoculture would be bad.
Super delegates enrich the situation, too. They actually represent one more primary challenge for the candidates. It takes entirely different skills and characteristics to appeal to professional politicians. The stated purpose is to prevent a Trumpian disaster, but they also represent the judgment of the seasoned people who really know how politics works.
I do not think the primary system is broken at all. It fulfills many needs.
Contrary to the opinion of the losers, the Nevada process showed us, for example, that Hillary runs a team that covers the details and plans carefully. It showed that Bernie and his campaign were not up to the task. That's important information for voters.
Caucuses show a campaign's ability to reach out in a small-ball, emotional context. The sequence of conventions and their negotiations show the power and savvy of the candidate. These are all important.
Primaries replace this complexity with a single, uniform (and fairly boring) test. Money plays an outsize role because of advertising. So do special interest organizations who can muster volunteers. They, too, have their place but to change it all into a monoculture would be bad.
Super delegates enrich the situation, too. They actually represent one more primary challenge for the candidates. It takes entirely different skills and characteristics to appeal to professional politicians. The stated purpose is to prevent a Trumpian disaster, but they also represent the judgment of the seasoned people who really know how politics works.
I do not think the primary system is broken at all. It fulfills many needs.
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I disagree. She should NOT release transcripts of the speeches unless it becomes the rule for everyone, not just her. She should NOT humble herself any further about the damn emails either, as the head of the CIA is STILL doing just that and as past Secretaries of State made it a practice. The demands will be never ending and prove nothing just as was the pattern in the 90's. It's a form of humiliation and intimidation, period.
17
HRC needs to do a great deal more than convince Bernie supporters that she won fairly. She must also convince them to completely ignore her record as Sec of State … Libya, Syria, Honduras, Ukraine (Nuland), Afghanistan (Petraeus & McChrystal), Iraq, mentor Kissinger … it's a long list to suddenly be amnesiac about.
11
All the vitriol aimed at Bernie supporters is counterproductive. Many people don't like Hillary for good reasons. They don't like her character or her positions. It's not that they don't really know enough about her! If you like her then vote for her. But don't expect people who don't trust her and don't agree with her on the issues to vote for her as the lesser of two evils. We have too few choices in American politics. No wonder people don't get involved. So Clinton is the presumptive nominee. Let's see if she doesn't manage to self destruct with her email scandal or other potential scandals before the convention or the election. Hillary supporters should stop the intimidation tactics to force people to support her. Have some respect for those who have other beliefs.
9
This inelegantly written, narrowly conceived editorial misses an opportunity to literately acknowledge a notable moment in history. To instead offer a grudging recognition in dull, bland, hopelessly "balanced" prose is unfortunately just what I would have expected.
9
NYTimes, you are wrong about Hillary releasing her Wall St. speeches.
Don't you realize that Trump and the GOP will twist any 2 words so that they will be completely taken out of context?
Hillary set up the private server because she had been burned so many times in the past. As with the above, she was concerned that any little thing that got out would be taken out of context.
Hillary won fair and square and she has nothing to prove to anyone, especially some (hopefully a small number) of Sanders supporters who are not Democrats, but could be considered anarchists.
It is up to Sanders to show leadership now. It's up to him to influence his followers, because that's what leadership really is. Assuming he cares about this country, we'll finally see whether he has real leadershp ability, and we'll also see what the man is made of.
Don't you realize that Trump and the GOP will twist any 2 words so that they will be completely taken out of context?
Hillary set up the private server because she had been burned so many times in the past. As with the above, she was concerned that any little thing that got out would be taken out of context.
Hillary won fair and square and she has nothing to prove to anyone, especially some (hopefully a small number) of Sanders supporters who are not Democrats, but could be considered anarchists.
It is up to Sanders to show leadership now. It's up to him to influence his followers, because that's what leadership really is. Assuming he cares about this country, we'll finally see whether he has real leadershp ability, and we'll also see what the man is made of.
10
I find it hard to believe that Hillary Clinton will take any substantial steps to change a system that has benefited her arguably more than any other person on earth. There's a whole lot more incentive to protect the status quo than to take up the fight for the little people. That's the truth. Are we supposed to go forward pretending? That's like asking someone to believe in a religion they don't believe in.
7
Oh please. Can she get just a little cred? On this historic night you're running around shouting "the transcripts, the transcripts?" I think the paid speech industry is ridiculous, too. I don't get why she's been made the mascot for it, other than some new standards no other male public figures are subject to. Bernie lost. If he doesn't encourage his supporters to vote for Hillary that's just bad baseball.
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This Gen-Y'er voted for Bernie just over 2 hours ago and I am thrilled to support Hillary Clinton in the general election. Senator Sanders more closely represents where I think government should go, but Mrs. Clinton is probably one of the best qualified candidates we have seen in decades. I have yet to hear anything other than ambiguous insults as a reason not to support her. Congratulations on making history, Mrs. Clinton!
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"Among some of his supporters there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice.
This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment..."
When Superdelegates are pledged before the nomination process begins how is this not "an accurate and fair assessment"? Pray tell. It seems pretty clear to me. It is not democratic in spirit nor execution - and therefore it is a pretty legitimate issue.
I actually do believe Hillary would in fact win in a fair fight, but this fight wasn't fair, and it begins with the Superdelegates and ends with the multiples voting snafus in key states. If you're a principled person who values a legitimate process over the perfect candidate, then you should be, and probably are disappointed and unconvinced by the current situation.
This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment..."
When Superdelegates are pledged before the nomination process begins how is this not "an accurate and fair assessment"? Pray tell. It seems pretty clear to me. It is not democratic in spirit nor execution - and therefore it is a pretty legitimate issue.
I actually do believe Hillary would in fact win in a fair fight, but this fight wasn't fair, and it begins with the Superdelegates and ends with the multiples voting snafus in key states. If you're a principled person who values a legitimate process over the perfect candidate, then you should be, and probably are disappointed and unconvinced by the current situation.
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Three observations. (1)If you really believe that many in this newest generation of American voters don’t trust Hillary then what can she possibly say or do to change their minds? Probably nothing....that belief especially among Sander's supporters is fixed in stone. (2) Is it really realistic to expect that Mrs. Clinton will be more open and direct when her whole history as you write is to dodge uncomfortable questions? Probably not....that personality trait is also set in stone. (3)And finally in what kind of universe will Mrs. Clinton ever hold a forthright session with reporters on the email scandal???You know this will never happen. These are huge hurdles for any candidate to overcome...but even larger for Mrs. Clinton because every instinct she has screams against going down this path.
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There has been nothing "fair" about this race. The Democratic Party elites decided on her long ago, and have gone out of their way to keep voters from voting.
I won't be voting for her because she is dangerous, with the hollow foreign policy of "American Exceptionalism" that is nothing more than a sham for intervention everywhere. Who counts Kissinger as a friend and advisor, when he should have been jailed long ago for his many crimes. Who counts as supporters such neocons as Cheney and Charles Koch. Who says that "there will never have universal health coverage for all of its citizens". All you "liberals" gushing over her as a "progressive" champion are just so full of it. She will do and say anything to be elected because this election is all about her ego. If Trump becomes President, it's all on her.
I suggest that all progressives in the Democratic Party resign their membership; you've all been played.
I won't be voting for her because she is dangerous, with the hollow foreign policy of "American Exceptionalism" that is nothing more than a sham for intervention everywhere. Who counts Kissinger as a friend and advisor, when he should have been jailed long ago for his many crimes. Who counts as supporters such neocons as Cheney and Charles Koch. Who says that "there will never have universal health coverage for all of its citizens". All you "liberals" gushing over her as a "progressive" champion are just so full of it. She will do and say anything to be elected because this election is all about her ego. If Trump becomes President, it's all on her.
I suggest that all progressives in the Democratic Party resign their membership; you've all been played.
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The problem is that Bernie Sanders may have exposed the fatal flaw of the Democratic Party: that it no longer shares the hopes, dreams and ideals of the American people.
If there's anything that liberals and conservatives share these days, it's a growing conviction that the wealthy are held to a much lower moral standard than the rest of us, the most recent example of this being the Stanford rapist. Though I don't think Clinton is as criminal as some people say, most of us know that if we behaved in the same manner as she has, we wouldn't be able to hold a job for long.
I wish HIllary well, but I find I simply do not share her values.
If there's anything that liberals and conservatives share these days, it's a growing conviction that the wealthy are held to a much lower moral standard than the rest of us, the most recent example of this being the Stanford rapist. Though I don't think Clinton is as criminal as some people say, most of us know that if we behaved in the same manner as she has, we wouldn't be able to hold a job for long.
I wish HIllary well, but I find I simply do not share her values.
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There is really only ONE way to like Hillary....and that is to have Bernie Sanders
on her ticket....because if that does not happen, then Bernie's cause will
fade away with the hope lost of all his supporters.
I wish Bernie were the top of the ticket: but at least it is better to have half
a loaf than no loaf at all....I can believe in half a loaf....and try to like the other
half...which I think may be hard to like.
on her ticket....because if that does not happen, then Bernie's cause will
fade away with the hope lost of all his supporters.
I wish Bernie were the top of the ticket: but at least it is better to have half
a loaf than no loaf at all....I can believe in half a loaf....and try to like the other
half...which I think may be hard to like.
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Will Bernie's fans even vote in 2018? President Obama's fans failed to rally to support him in 2010, and that was a census year with gerrymandering at stake.
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". . . A belief that leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice. . . (IS) an accurate and fair assessment. . . " It's AMAZING that the highly biased NY Times Editorial staff could even write such a statement. You and other left-leaning mass media outlets (WaPo) have been in HRC's corner from Day 1 and have done everything you could to belittle and disparage Bernie's chances. Keep this in mind: the biggest reason I will NOT be voting for HRC in the general election is the bias shown by the DNC and MSM.
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#Imstuckwithher.......Hillary has clinched the nomination. Next step is to quit belittling Bernie Sanders and his supporters. You can't berate people into the voting booth.
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I will not vote for Hillary. Never. Not under any circumstances.
However, I might still vote for Bernie, if he were brought on board in some believable way that promised to further the things he talked about.
Not if he says we should "unify." Not interested.
But if there were some way to see we could stil accomplish some of the things he fought for, then yes.
At the moment, I very much doubt Hillary has any slightest interest in allowing any of the things important to Bernie or his supporters. But if Bernie could pull that off, and show us he did it, then okay.
However, I might still vote for Bernie, if he were brought on board in some believable way that promised to further the things he talked about.
Not if he says we should "unify." Not interested.
But if there were some way to see we could stil accomplish some of the things he fought for, then yes.
At the moment, I very much doubt Hillary has any slightest interest in allowing any of the things important to Bernie or his supporters. But if Bernie could pull that off, and show us he did it, then okay.
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Mark, this is partly a continuation of my reply to you elsewhere, with a couple of useful links. First, her Wellesley commencement speech (the "Goldwater girl" of age 16 was long gone by then). Progressive ...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/06/06/listen-hillary-clint...
I suspect Bernie's fans will be pleased and surprised to discover that she stands for many of the things they believe in. Unbiased research about what she's actually done outside of something I call Bernieworld yields a lot of information. The way the Clintons managed to return our country to moderate health after the depredations of the Reagan years was not ideal, but idealism was not possible, and things have gotten worse (see Kochs, Jane Mayer). I hope she will get enough support to reach for some of her ideals now, but that can't happen unless we all work to replace Congress and local governments.
More:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/hillary-clinton-candidacy.html
Trump has invited you to join him since this was "rigged".
I am neither a "shill" nor a paid operative. I voted for Bernie, but annoyed with simplistic attacks: Barney Frank is one of the good guys. So is Governor Malloy. Yes, Bill McKibben is a hero but Cornel West an Obama hater.
I fear we are unable to act as a human family and solve the most dangerous attack of all time, our blindness about our planet.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/06/06/listen-hillary-clint...
I suspect Bernie's fans will be pleased and surprised to discover that she stands for many of the things they believe in. Unbiased research about what she's actually done outside of something I call Bernieworld yields a lot of information. The way the Clintons managed to return our country to moderate health after the depredations of the Reagan years was not ideal, but idealism was not possible, and things have gotten worse (see Kochs, Jane Mayer). I hope she will get enough support to reach for some of her ideals now, but that can't happen unless we all work to replace Congress and local governments.
More:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/hillary-clinton-candidacy.html
Trump has invited you to join him since this was "rigged".
I am neither a "shill" nor a paid operative. I voted for Bernie, but annoyed with simplistic attacks: Barney Frank is one of the good guys. So is Governor Malloy. Yes, Bill McKibben is a hero but Cornel West an Obama hater.
I fear we are unable to act as a human family and solve the most dangerous attack of all time, our blindness about our planet.
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You want to vote for Trump, feel free. I think we all have heard your reasons that Hillary is awful now. And it's just not worth the effort to talk to you anymore. Trump will get a lot of votes, and yours will be one in the crowd. Or if you don't vote, less. So, a waste. Too bad, but your right. You can stay home muttering about how bad the world is, instead.
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It's doesn't get any 'fairer'.... quibble about the margin, perhaps, if quibble you must.... but it's decision time.... no IFs, ANDs or BUTs....
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But... the opinion specifically addresses Clinton's challenge in converting the unconverted. Clearly I'm preaching to the choir at the moment but for the sake of argument: consider the anti-Clinton factor, the transience of millennials, all independents, and a force-fed candidate. I'm less than optimistic about Clinton's chances going forward. Talented politico she might be, the task ahead doesn't play to her strengths. Just saying.
What young people of today want is what we wanted in the '60s: Big ideas, major effort, and radical change. Thus we got the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid. How is the candidate of incrementalism, triangulation and center-right politics going to pull that off?
She has no big ideas. Her idea of a big idea is to extend Medicare to 55-year-olds. A few more big ideas: make speeches to Wall Street for $225,000 a pop, enrich yourself beyond belief after leaving office, pal around with other wealthy folks in exclusive resorts.
We desperately need big ideas and we need them now. Unless Clinton borrows them from Bernie Sanders, she's not going to get the votes of idealistic young people, who after all are this nation's future. She could harness their idealism, but instead....Medicare for 55-year-olds. Maybe.
She has no big ideas. Her idea of a big idea is to extend Medicare to 55-year-olds. A few more big ideas: make speeches to Wall Street for $225,000 a pop, enrich yourself beyond belief after leaving office, pal around with other wealthy folks in exclusive resorts.
We desperately need big ideas and we need them now. Unless Clinton borrows them from Bernie Sanders, she's not going to get the votes of idealistic young people, who after all are this nation's future. She could harness their idealism, but instead....Medicare for 55-year-olds. Maybe.
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So all these idealistic young people love the big ideas of Donald Trump, who they'll be voting for in absentia? Millennials sure love to try hard to convince everyone they're idiots.
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It makes no sense to not vote or - at least in this election- not vote for the Democratic candidate.
If people can't see that or understand that, then as always we get the pro corporation, pro war, pro 1%, nothing for the little people government we deserve.
And even though the possibility of a bloviating lunatic just doesn't compute, we still have to prevent such a possible outcome.
Encourage everyone you know to vote, sensibly. Hillary is not ideal, who is. But she is qualified and more on the side of the average person than the deranged one. There is only one sensible thing to do here. We all just have to do it.
If people can't see that or understand that, then as always we get the pro corporation, pro war, pro 1%, nothing for the little people government we deserve.
And even though the possibility of a bloviating lunatic just doesn't compute, we still have to prevent such a possible outcome.
Encourage everyone you know to vote, sensibly. Hillary is not ideal, who is. But she is qualified and more on the side of the average person than the deranged one. There is only one sensible thing to do here. We all just have to do it.
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Your editorial says, "The party may also revisit the "superdelegate" system, in which party insiders play an outsize role in choosing the nominee." While I agree that the issue should be addressed, in fact the superdelegate system became irrelevant after Tuesday's elections when Hillary Clinton won enough pledged delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination without the count of any superdelegates. Although I think superdelegates should be eliminated, it is clear that the issue was overblown by Senator Sanders, who was grasping at straws to save his losing campaign.
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My oh my, I'm gobsmacked by the arrogance and emotional fragility of Bernie Sanders and his Bernie Bros. I guess 'White Male Privilege Angst' is a bigger thing than anyone realized. It's clear that no matter what is offered by Hillary Clinton and her supporters, anything short of the actual presidency will be rejected by a selfish Sanders.
Is losing their privilege really that emotionally traumatic? Good grief. Never mind the Vice Presidency, let's offer Sanders' supporters a 24 hour crisis line--or comment section--where they can wail and scream 'No fair!' over and over and over again.
As part of that therapy, perhaps the counselors can help Bernie's supporters realize that their bitterness and anguish is related, in part, to the bitter tolerance of prejudice that American women have endured, at the hands of the white men in power, on a daily basis in every public and professional setting. Perhaps a little empathy and reflection will get them through these bitter times.
Is losing their privilege really that emotionally traumatic? Good grief. Never mind the Vice Presidency, let's offer Sanders' supporters a 24 hour crisis line--or comment section--where they can wail and scream 'No fair!' over and over and over again.
As part of that therapy, perhaps the counselors can help Bernie's supporters realize that their bitterness and anguish is related, in part, to the bitter tolerance of prejudice that American women have endured, at the hands of the white men in power, on a daily basis in every public and professional setting. Perhaps a little empathy and reflection will get them through these bitter times.
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Sadly, Clinton will likely have to win without much of the current Bernie or bust crowd. It has now become a badge of honor and an act of cool and pride among many of them to declare publicly that they'll never vote for Clinton under any circumstances. One can hope that the deep racism, anti-semitism and more unleashed by Trumpolini, along with his angry, self-serving ranting, will focus the minds and attention of at least some to rethink their current declarations, but I wouldn't count on it. A good choice of VP and respectful integration of Sanders into the platform and work of a Clinton presidency will help, but nothing will work for some...
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In the absence of New Deal banking regulation, which Bill Clinton abolished, we now have a system of Shadow Banks, and politicians who shill for the dealings of banks, which live or die by their ability to raise on a daily basis 80 billion dollars or more in credit at their repo desks in order to while away the bankers hours at the Traders Casino, which banking has become.
Hillary Clinton was not rewarded with big speaking fees by the CEO's of the Money Banks to change how the banks operate completely at cross purposes with the stodgy functions like depository lending, which they were once bound by law to serve. Bill changed all of that, and the banks will remain in a parasitic relationship with the American Economy until it once again goes sour. With Hillary there is no hope for the necessary return of plain vanilla banking. The New Deal can be presumed dead, now that she is the presumptive candidate of the Democratic Party. Hillary is in, and FDR is apparently no longer even a receding memory.
Of course she will have continuity with the Bush oil wars, just as Obama conformed with the neocon agenda, and Israel will remain on its ultra nationalistic run amok with the unstinting support of Hillary the Hawk. So nothing will change for the better. It is bound to get worse. Democrats have spoken.
Hillary Clinton was not rewarded with big speaking fees by the CEO's of the Money Banks to change how the banks operate completely at cross purposes with the stodgy functions like depository lending, which they were once bound by law to serve. Bill changed all of that, and the banks will remain in a parasitic relationship with the American Economy until it once again goes sour. With Hillary there is no hope for the necessary return of plain vanilla banking. The New Deal can be presumed dead, now that she is the presumptive candidate of the Democratic Party. Hillary is in, and FDR is apparently no longer even a receding memory.
Of course she will have continuity with the Bush oil wars, just as Obama conformed with the neocon agenda, and Israel will remain on its ultra nationalistic run amok with the unstinting support of Hillary the Hawk. So nothing will change for the better. It is bound to get worse. Democrats have spoken.
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Plain Vanilla banking was designed for a world with insular economies, fixed exchange rates, and the like. It did not prevent massive bank failures during the Great Depression or the S&L Crisis. Today's banks allow businesses to handle cross-country and volatility risks in ways old fashioned banks never could. They should not be prevented from doing this, though sensible government oversight sorely is necessary.
Hillary is a disaster. I am a middle-aged woman, feminist, and feel absolutely unmoved by this so-called "historic" moment. Quite the opposite, I feel rather ashamed of and afraid for what feminism has become: a perverse and mindless distraction from issues of justice, equality, and true democracy. I mean, just Hillary's frankly sicko reaction to Quadaffi's brutal, horrific death was enough for me to pledge to never vote for her. I won't vote for her even with warren on the ticket. Also, this paper has done a despicable job of covering this election so far, and I won't even get into it because it's been reported on extensively elsewhere. I did appreciate, however, the reporting on what Hillary did on Libya, which is why, despite the clear bias toward Clinton, I continue to subscribe. Hillary is a neo-liberal to the core, deeply invested in her corporate worldview, and will only lead us to hell. I'm writing Bernie in or voting green. #neverhillary
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The Clinton Coronation is not about a feminist cause. It is about the Clintons! It is about the United States becoming an oligarchy. Sanders supporters are justified to question this out dated process for nominating a candidate. Sanders supporters know exactly what is at stake and they simply cannot pinch their nose;close their eyes; and vote for Hillary.
Only middle aged white women strongly believe a white, female president will improve how women are viewed in America. After all, privileged white women are really no different than privileged white men. The latter just own their privilege while the former uses pejorative feminist rhetoric to claim unity and sisterhood! Let's be brutally honest, all most white women want from the proverbial sisterhood is for brown women to watch their kids and clean their house so they can have seat at the boys table without emotional guilt!
Only middle aged white women strongly believe a white, female president will improve how women are viewed in America. After all, privileged white women are really no different than privileged white men. The latter just own their privilege while the former uses pejorative feminist rhetoric to claim unity and sisterhood! Let's be brutally honest, all most white women want from the proverbial sisterhood is for brown women to watch their kids and clean their house so they can have seat at the boys table without emotional guilt!
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So where are all the Progressive, New Deal liberals supposed to go? Hillary? Not likely. She represents everything that is wrong with the political system. She is a Goldwater conservative standing next to Democratic sign.
People who think Bernie supporters are just going to fall in line for Hillary don't understand what motivated us in the first place. We could care less about being included in the Democratic party. And it has been made all too clear that the Democratic Party has no intention of any meaningful change that benefits the average citizen. They even denied the unions committee seats at the upcoming convention.
We have 6 long months of finger pointing and people being told to vote for bad candidates because the other would be worse. Once again it is heads the oligarchy wins and tails the people lose....and its a two-headed coin. Maybe they will pay attention to tar and pitchforks?
People who think Bernie supporters are just going to fall in line for Hillary don't understand what motivated us in the first place. We could care less about being included in the Democratic party. And it has been made all too clear that the Democratic Party has no intention of any meaningful change that benefits the average citizen. They even denied the unions committee seats at the upcoming convention.
We have 6 long months of finger pointing and people being told to vote for bad candidates because the other would be worse. Once again it is heads the oligarchy wins and tails the people lose....and its a two-headed coin. Maybe they will pay attention to tar and pitchforks?
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I can only speak for myself, but the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign engaged in a level of historic voter suppression is only secondary to my concerns about her intention to start a ground a war in Syria, coupled with her intentions to give out favors for her corporate donors. The only circumstance in which I would vote for her would be if polls show New York State within the margin of error in the week leading up to November 8th. If Hillary Clinton did not need or want my vote in the primary, I feel no obligation to get "ready" for her in the general.
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Hundreds of well-positioned party insiders [read: superdelegates] pledged their support to Hillary Clinton before the primaries got underway. From the get go, the weight of this support carried an outsized influence on each primary contest. The media propelled it much farther by reporting superdelegate votes as accomplished facts. This diminished the prospects of any candidate who would offer an alternative vision for this country. It was not a level playing field. The Democratic party must reform its superdelegate system, or risk losing the support of disaffected voters.
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I fail to understand why the first female nominee for President is, in the view of the NY Times, obligated, in the absence of any allegation of voter fraud, to prove the "fairness" of the nominating process. As unfounded as various attacks against the first African-American nominee were, no one claimed Obama was obligated to prove the fairness of the system. Needless to say, no white male has ever been asked to prove that he was fairly nominated. Bernie Sanders, for example, hasn't be asked to prove that caucuses are a fair and democratic process. So why claim that Hillary should bear this burden? If the rules need to be changed, the party should work it out by consensus -- even if Hillary wanted to change the rules, she'd only be accused of more "unfairness" for whatever changes she suggested.
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"in the absence of any allegation of voter fraud"
You did not hear that?
You did not hear that?
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John - Thanks for this post!!
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It is not Hillary that is in question. It is the system. To suggest that there was not contrived situations by the DNC to suppress Bernie's candidacy is garbage. When name recognition is a must and the DNC puts the debates on a Saturday night opposite NFL playoffs, that is contrived suppression of the lesser known candidates.
When one person one vote is denied all not registered Dem Party members, i.e. independents, that is voter suppression.
When party demagogues, aka super delegates, who are not elected by the people at large can vote as their personal feelings dictate, that is a fixed electorate.
Debbie Wassermann Schultz needs to be canned. The rules need to be changed to fit the outline of Democracy. Hillary has nothing to do with this.
When one person one vote is denied all not registered Dem Party members, i.e. independents, that is voter suppression.
When party demagogues, aka super delegates, who are not elected by the people at large can vote as their personal feelings dictate, that is a fixed electorate.
Debbie Wassermann Schultz needs to be canned. The rules need to be changed to fit the outline of Democracy. Hillary has nothing to do with this.
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The passion of Sanders supporters does not include any reality checks or rational assessments. They don't trust Hillary even as he repeats the same mantra of revolution and justice but demonstrates no actual viable way of making his idealistic assertions reality. Republicans control congress, and that is an impenetrable wall for the Sanders platform.
And for those too young and ignorant of political history, the Democratic party of the twenty-first century is the nation's -centrist- party, filling the middle of the political spectrum as the Republican party has wandered off to the far right. Democracy and governance only function from the middle, and, yes, compromise is essential to this function.
Sanders has had his moment of glory and now needs to stop pretending he is going to be the party's nominee. The system isn't rigged simply because he says it is, and his followers need to grow up and deal with reality.
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And for those too young and ignorant of political history, the Democratic party of the twenty-first century is the nation's -centrist- party, filling the middle of the political spectrum as the Republican party has wandered off to the far right. Democracy and governance only function from the middle, and, yes, compromise is essential to this function.
Sanders has had his moment of glory and now needs to stop pretending he is going to be the party's nominee. The system isn't rigged simply because he says it is, and his followers need to grow up and deal with reality.
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I supported Bernie, but the notion that Hillary somehow won the nomination unfairly is just not true. Did the Democratic Party put its thumb on the scale? Perhaps, but commitments from super delegates occurred well before Bernie got into the race. And sadly, Bernie simply did not perform as well in primaries where unaffiliated voters were excluded. The one sour note was the DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. When you sit as chair, you must appear disinterested in the result and completely impartial. Sadly, her clumsy exercise of control over the convention apparatus gave the impression of having thrown in with Hillary and this feeds, if not in fact creates, the impression of unfairness. Hillary should address the unfairness question - by quietly arranging a lovely farewell party for the DNC Chairwoman.
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Walking away from our election process because you're not getting what you want may contribute to the creation of conditions much worse than those you hope to help correct.
Independence is a state of mind, dependent upon shared values which are communicated, in this instance, through participation in this election; perhaps participation in terms of what voice we feel that we have in decision making at our national level is limited to one vote. That vote matters.
Sanders versus Clinton? The difference is mainly in they way the perceive of methods we need to consider in order to bring about changes we want. Do not walk away. Add your tiny voice to the chorus. One voice does make a difference.
Independence is a state of mind, dependent upon shared values which are communicated, in this instance, through participation in this election; perhaps participation in terms of what voice we feel that we have in decision making at our national level is limited to one vote. That vote matters.
Sanders versus Clinton? The difference is mainly in they way the perceive of methods we need to consider in order to bring about changes we want. Do not walk away. Add your tiny voice to the chorus. One voice does make a difference.
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As much as it makes me want to vomit, I will vote for Clinton since Trump is a maniac intent on destroying our country. But, that will be the last time. I despise what the Democrats have become and left when they bought by Wall Street and abandoned the poor and middle class. I had hope for change by Obama. He is no different. No punishment on Wall Street for bringing us close to the Second Depression, fighting for illegal immigrants instead of Working Americans, nothing that he promised. He didn't fight against the Republicans, he didn't try to unite for a fight for much of anything. His Obamacare still kept Big Pharma and the rest in control. He broke my heart and my faith. Big money, the billionaires have paid millions to control Washington. They've won. I'm waiting for the revolution. My pitchforks have been sharpened. Until there has been a collapse in the system that is in place and is decimating our children's and their children's future, I give up. I will vote for Clinton, throw up and go home smoke a joint, take a shot of moonshine and wait for something to believe in. I just pray very hard that happens soon. But, I doubt it. The United States of America no longer exists. And, if it was at all possible for me and my family to leave, I would be gone tomorrow.
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The problem is that Hillary hasn't put forth a program that really says anything or excites anyone. Lots of "togetherness" cliches. She, like her husband, is a Democratic centrist whose every gesture was and is in favor of the rich and powerful. She offers women (of a certain age) pride in her achievement of winning, except that, unlike many other more deserving women in politics, she rode her husband's coattails. She offers a hefty resume. But like her victory now, her resume comes because the Democratic establishment tipped the scales in her favor. Let's remember who cleared the field so that she could come to a State where she never lived to become a US senator as her first elective office. As a New Yorker, I can't remember what she did for me--I do remember her terrible vote on Iraq. Then she was made Secretary of State. Besides a prominent role at a women's conference, her tenure in that position leaves very little to brag about, and much to explain. And most recently she ran through the winner-take-all southern primaries while the DNC, with her blessing, kept her competition off the TV screen with their one-sided debate schedule.
She will get my vote ONLY because of the Supreme Court choices.
She will get my vote ONLY because of the Supreme Court choices.
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"More than any other age group, voters aged 18 to 33 say they believe in the power of ordinary people to influence their government."
Yeah, and they all voted for Sanders. Let's see how they feel about it now.
"...will afford Mrs. Clinton more room to expand on her ideas for lowering health care costs, managing college debt and addressing income inequality."
Yeah, let's have a multimillionaire member of the .01%, who has accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from Wall Street banks address income inequality. I'm sure that will work out great.
"The Democratic National Convention in July could include a fresh look at the way the party chooses its nominees. About 50 percent of young people describe themselves as independents, and open primaries in every state would allow them to vote for candidates of either party without jumping through bureaucratic hoops. The party may also revisit the “superdelegate” system, in which party insiders play an outsize role in choosing the nominee."
So you admit that this is a rigged, undemocratic system. But only after your preferred candidate is secured. Why didn't you say this a year ago?
Yeah, and they all voted for Sanders. Let's see how they feel about it now.
"...will afford Mrs. Clinton more room to expand on her ideas for lowering health care costs, managing college debt and addressing income inequality."
Yeah, let's have a multimillionaire member of the .01%, who has accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from Wall Street banks address income inequality. I'm sure that will work out great.
"The Democratic National Convention in July could include a fresh look at the way the party chooses its nominees. About 50 percent of young people describe themselves as independents, and open primaries in every state would allow them to vote for candidates of either party without jumping through bureaucratic hoops. The party may also revisit the “superdelegate” system, in which party insiders play an outsize role in choosing the nominee."
So you admit that this is a rigged, undemocratic system. But only after your preferred candidate is secured. Why didn't you say this a year ago?
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When I saw the Clinton campaign declaring victory on the morning of the California voting I was pretty sure that felt nervous enough about the outcome to try and hijack the narrative...but that's politics, not stealing an election. I think Sanders supporters feel this is a very flawed electoral system and it produces leaders that preside over a very flawed government. Doesn't have to be this way, but it is. It may be that 2016 is an early sign of a coming electoral revolution. But that remains to be seen. If a president Hilary can start to restore some balance to wealth distribution then the revolutionary fervor may get tamped down enough so that everybody returns to their TV sets and the pols get safely back to DC.
Sanders supporters might want to ask themselves how much of their passion is actually vanity. Electing a president isn't like having the most surprising taste in alternative music and movies or eating in the most bleeding edge restaurants in Brooklyn. Fancying yourself a revolutionary is a lot of fun, but it's not exactly solving problems, especially when you have desperate Republicans who are going to try every dirty trick in the book to get that critical majority so they can neuter American democracy once and for all. Do we really want to hand this country over to Trump, Ryan, McConnell and all those lovely red state legislatures just to prove what total freaking liberals we are?
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I do not feel so generous to the Sanders campaign as perhaps I should. It has been clear since the middle of March that Hillary Clinton is the favorite of Democrats for POTUS, but Sen. Sanders has insisted at every turn that his "political revolution" is going to get underway any minute now. Well, it didn't pan out. Sanders's support among young people has been impressive, but there are a whole spectrum of voters who were not persuaded, and that has been clear for much longer than anyone in the Sanders campaign has yet acknowledged. And tonight, he crossed the Rubicon and vowed to keep on pretending all the way to "Philadelphia Pennsylvania". Well good luck, Senator. The simple fact is, millions more people voted for Hillary Clinton than Sanders. The system isn't rigged; nobody cheated. Hillary will be going to Philly with 3 million+ more votes, and a clear majority of both pledged and super-delegates. She was right to congratulate Sen. Sanders on a strong campaign, but we should all take a breath here: Hillary won. It's over, Felicia. Let's move on.
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It's only the older generation who perceives Hillary's presumptive nomination as a victory for women. The younger women care about content, not gender. They perceive this whole gender debate as artificial, outdated. So if Hillary really wants to make a difference for women, she should stop playing the gender card. As long as she keeps highlighting how exceptional it is for a woman to be the Presidential candidate, she keeps feeding the traditional perspective that men are better qualified for this job than women.
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I beg to differ with you. As a member of the "older generation", I can assure you I care about content just as much as younger people do, That's why I supported Hillary Clinton and will continue to do so. I admit to being thrilled that there will be a woman president in my lifetime, but it very much depends on who the woman is and what she stands for. It is historic that we finally have a a woman as the nominee of a major party. I don't see how noting that feeds any view that men are better--exactly the opposite in fact. I hope that some day you will understand how insulting your views are to members of the "older generation".
She did NOT win fairly. Her win was predictable when her former campaign manager became head of the Democratic National Committee, presumably an unbiased position that is supposed to treat all candidates without favoritism. Yet, supporters of Sanders (I am one) need to rally to the support of Ms. Clinton. She is part of the old order that voters from both sides of the divide have been rallying against. If we are lucky, she would bring about only innocuous change over an uneventful upcoming 4 or 8 years. But if Trump is elected President, there would be more danger of dictatorship than at any time in our previous history. I address this to the young people who have supported Bernie. I am an old coot who has voted for a Democratic candidate in every election since my first vote for Stevenson over Eisenhower in the 1956 election. So, I understand that you can't win every time. Sanders has created a movement and the best way to keep that movement going is to support Clinton and to continue to build downstream support movements for what you believe in. It's time to switch to Elizabeth Warren as our leader for the future.
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She did win fairly. She has over 3 million more votes from the voting public than Bernie does and denying that fact and the nomination would be unfair and undemocratic.
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If the point is to vote for a progressive and respected female candidate to lead the Democratic Party, I would have very enthusiastically voted for Barbara Boxer or Elizabeth Warren. If the point is to vote for the continuation of plutocracy, expanding oligarchy, war profiteering, and more of the same, Ms. Clinton is most emphatically the one. For the sake of my grandchildren, I simply cannot vote for more of the same.
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Mrs. Clinton must now convince the voters who came out for Sanders that she honors the traditions of the Democratic party and that she will work for the people, not just for the corporations. Campaign finance reform is crucial. She must lay out a clear plan to help the foundering middle class have hope again. Health care and education, two issues brought to the forefront by Sanders, must be addressed. Our crumbling infrastructure could be a source of jobs as could green energy measures. We can only hope that the country is disgusted enough with the do-nothing Congress to give her majorities in both houses. This is a tall order.
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Mrs. Clinton does not have to convince me that she won fair and square--I'm not an irrational conspiracy theorist. She will have to convince me, however, that she will bring about meaningful change with respect to health care, the environment, and student debt.
Given the GOP's hatred of Mrs. Clinton (coupled with their penchant for obstructionism), I'm wholly unconvinced she will be able to accomplish anything meaningful as president.
Given the GOP's hatred of Mrs. Clinton (coupled with their penchant for obstructionism), I'm wholly unconvinced she will be able to accomplish anything meaningful as president.
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She can't do it alone and neither could Bernie. If you want that, you must help her get a Congress to back her up.
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What the USA needs in November is a functioning government. That will not happen with a Trump Presidency, a Republican House, a Republican Senate or another right wing zealot on the Supreme Court. There is no sane alternative to Hillary as President. The court and congress are another challenge even with a Democratic controlled congress are the Democrats going to prove they are simply pointy enders arguing with blunt enders?
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first female president very likely in 2016, so how come I'm not excited? Maybe due to the feeling that the fix was in from the very beginning and Hillary was merely going through the motions. Sure, she can afford to be magnanimous to Bernie. In this very paper, his campaign faced a 6 month blackout, not one in depth interview and mostly negative coverage. That his campaign has lasted as long as it has, because so many of us want real change, and want it now, despite the "wisdom" of the talking heads, should tell the party (indeed both parties) that there is no going back. We will not tolerate more triangulation, more Republican Lite economics, and more ruinous wars at the expense of our people and our infrastructure. The Times may have helped chloroform the Sanders candidacy but the will of the people cannot be chloroformed.
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For those who don't understand our form of government, there are three branches of government, If "the people" don't get their candidates elected to congress and senate in sufficient numbers to effect change there, they will accomplish little. The presidency is one leg - but as we have seen with President Obama, there is only a limited amount that can be accomplished when the other two legs are in blind opposition. If all progressives want is to vote for a president to fix everything, we are no longer talking about a democracy. If they want change, it is going to take more than a presidential vote.
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I think the "will of the people" clearly chose Hillary. If Bernie was truly meant to be, he would have won in all sorts of ways. He just didn't. I have admired Mr. Sanders for years for his leadership in Congress but as the nation's commander in chief, he lacks the skills to get things done. We recently elected a president based on the promises that dreams were made of, only to be bored and disappointed in many ways. I yawn and worry of promises of a revolution in this big and complex country of ours. I appreciate instead practicality, grit and sheer intelligence, with a little bit of the shrewdness, that Hillary embodies. It's time for Bernie supporters to face reality and the fact that we could find ourselves with Trump as our president.
"George W. Bush left real median household income lower when he left office than when he came in, and Barack Obama seems poised to do the same. With the possible exception of Jeb Bush, no contemporary politician’s brand reeks of the status quo more than Hillary Clinton’s. Between Trump’s charisma, Clinton’s brand, and cratering confidence in the media and the rest of our institutions, Trump has an unprecedented opportunity to smash stuff and break things. Even if he is defeated this time, four years of Clinton may not resolve the structural problems that gave rise to Trump, creating new opportunities for new Caesars down the line. Sanders offered a way out, but the Democrats didn’t take it, and they might not get another chance." -Benjamin Studebaker I have been a Dem since I supported McCarty in 68. I have children and I fear leaving them to a world of wealth inequality and climate change I have dropped out of the Dem party and under no circumstances will I vote for Clinton or Trump--and HRC supporters hostile comments above don't change any of the stated dynamics for me.
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It is important to remember that independents, centrists affiliated with neither party, generally determine presidential elections. Clinton must be careful not to swing too far left, because the opportunity to claim rational Republicans is more important and potentially more valuable in swing states. Democrats have elected three presidents since 1968, and all three won because they claimed the center.
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My son and I had this conversation yesterday, as he and I are both strong supporters of Bernie. I've come to terms with the loss, while he remains angry at what he views as a rigged voting system. My message to him, and to all Bernie supporters, is that who we elect now will determine the balance of the Supreme Court for the next 20 or more years. Given our polarized political system, is it perhaps unavoidable that many critical issues (climate control, gun control, campaign finance, gerrymandering, equal rights) will ultimately be decided by this court. This will not only impact our children and their children, but the world we leave behind. Regardless of how you feel about Hillary, not voting for her is handing the Supreme Court to those on the far right.
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So....vote for a lousy corrupt candidate because she MIGHT nominate someone to the Supreme Court that you like....IF anyone dies in the next four years.
Yeah, that makes sense (NOT).
How about voting for CHANGE? or letting the PEOPLE decide, not the political machine?
Yeah, that makes sense (NOT).
How about voting for CHANGE? or letting the PEOPLE decide, not the political machine?
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Have you ever noticed how candidates like Sanders (and Nader before him) use "corporate" as a pejorative term? Although that may play well within the narrow confines of the academically tenured class, it's a real turn-off for anyone with a job in private industry. I would love the opportunity to explain to Sanders that most people want their "corporate" employer to do well, and that doesn't make them un-Progressive. They think government should be a good referee, and certainly call foul when a corporation abuses its power, but it's in everyone's interest for government to "serve corporate interests" if that means fostering innovation and growth. The fact that it's extremely hard to imagine a candidate like Sanders publicly admitting that is one reason why he was never destined to go further than he has tonight.
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"They think government should be a good referee, and certainly call foul when a corporation abuses its power, ... "
Unfortunately, the fundamental problem with our politics is that our government doesn't do those things precisely BECAUSE our politicians are controlled by corporate money.
" ... but it's in everyone's interest for government to "serve corporate interests" if that means fostering innovation and growth."
(A) Other than continuing progress to improve human health, how much more "innovation" do we really need?
(B) Infinite economic growth on a finite planet is impossible -- all the more so on a planet with too many people, a less-friendly climate and diminishing resources.
Senator Sanders is overwhelmingly popular among young people -- and more than a few old fogies like me -- because we understand these things.
Unfortunately, the fundamental problem with our politics is that our government doesn't do those things precisely BECAUSE our politicians are controlled by corporate money.
" ... but it's in everyone's interest for government to "serve corporate interests" if that means fostering innovation and growth."
(A) Other than continuing progress to improve human health, how much more "innovation" do we really need?
(B) Infinite economic growth on a finite planet is impossible -- all the more so on a planet with too many people, a less-friendly climate and diminishing resources.
Senator Sanders is overwhelmingly popular among young people -- and more than a few old fogies like me -- because we understand these things.
Congratulations Mrs. Clinton on a hard fought primary victory! However, I have a few concerns about the upcoming general election. People are wont to make the comparison between this primary and the one that Clinton lost to Obama in 2008. The big difference is Clinton was a woman with a future in the Democratic Party. She had a reason to embrace party unity. Sen. Sanders, on the other hand, is not a democrat. He has no allegiance to the party. He only ran as a democrat because of high visibility.
I really worry about Sanders ' supporters voting for Clinton. If Clinton and the DNC are corrupt (according to Sanders) then why would he endorse her and why would his supporters vote for her? It seems to me that if Bernie Sanders all of a sudden has a change of heart about Clinton, that makes him as two-faced as any other politician, and if I'm not mistaken part of his appeal is that he isn't your run-of-the-mill politician.
But then again the willing suspension of disbelief is baked into the election process and we all kind of nod and wink and move on.
You never know what a human being will do five minutes from now and if Sanders runs as an Independent in the general election, believing that those large crowds of supporters will vote for him, I would not be surprised.
I really worry about Sanders ' supporters voting for Clinton. If Clinton and the DNC are corrupt (according to Sanders) then why would he endorse her and why would his supporters vote for her? It seems to me that if Bernie Sanders all of a sudden has a change of heart about Clinton, that makes him as two-faced as any other politician, and if I'm not mistaken part of his appeal is that he isn't your run-of-the-mill politician.
But then again the willing suspension of disbelief is baked into the election process and we all kind of nod and wink and move on.
You never know what a human being will do five minutes from now and if Sanders runs as an Independent in the general election, believing that those large crowds of supporters will vote for him, I would not be surprised.
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I hope Bernie Sanders does not support Hillary Clinton. If she wants the support of the millions of Bernie's supporters, she needs to earn it.
In a presidential election given the structure of our politics, the election is a zero sum game. Sanders supporters (and I was one until HRC essentially clinched it with a couple weeks ago) need to be adults and face reality:
This election will result in either HRC or Donald Trump being the president. Every time a Sanders supporter attacks HRC, they are aiding and abetting the authoritarian Trump. This is just the reality of the political dynamic. If you cannot accept that, your are behaving like a petulant child.
There so many ways that Trump would be a nightmare for progressives it would be insane for every progressive not to rally around HRC. The Scotus is the most obvious. The only way, the only way Citizen's United will be overturned in the next 20 years is if HRC beats Donald Trump.
I would think Sanders supporters would consider that.
This election will result in either HRC or Donald Trump being the president. Every time a Sanders supporter attacks HRC, they are aiding and abetting the authoritarian Trump. This is just the reality of the political dynamic. If you cannot accept that, your are behaving like a petulant child.
There so many ways that Trump would be a nightmare for progressives it would be insane for every progressive not to rally around HRC. The Scotus is the most obvious. The only way, the only way Citizen's United will be overturned in the next 20 years is if HRC beats Donald Trump.
I would think Sanders supporters would consider that.
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I truly believe that many of the millenials would rather see this country implode with Trump if they cannot vote for Bernie. Maybe it would take a catastrophic Trump presidency to finally put us on a path to rebuilding our decrepit country with justice for all. Maybe the millenials are right. The status quo with Hillary representing the establishment and her war mongering cannot sustain. I hope she will adopt and embrace many of Bernie's policies especially a single payer health care system. She will need the support of the millenials to win the presidency. The evil of Trump and his supporters will be difficult to defeat.
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We are in real trouble here. I listened to Trump's speech earlier tonight. I knew intellectually that he was lying most of time, but he stayed on message (reading from the teleprompter), and I swear he sounded almost totally believable, and equally importantly, likable. I listened to Hillary's speech later. She also stayed on message (reading from the teleprompter). Though I knew intellectually that she was telling the truth most of the time, I swear she sounded almost totally unbelievable, and equally importantly, unlikeable. Hillary problem is more than the "not a natural politician" thing. She is just plain not natural. As I realized the contrast, I became chilled realizing that Trump, if he says on message, will probably win. Why the Democratic establishment picked her, a singer who can't stay on pitch, a writer with no grammar, a drummer who can't keep a beat, a politician with no talent for politics, dumbfounds me. Keep in mind that a nobody senator from a nowhere state with a name almost no one recognized a year ago almost beat her! The survival of our democracy and our planet is at stake in this election and this is the best the Democrats can do?
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The idea that Clinton will "expand on her ideas" for real progressive policies having already won the primary is either deeply naive or insincerely offered. Likewise suggesting that the DNC will reexamine the rules which brought victory to the candidate they clearly preferred from the outset. Clinton will drag the party further to the right the same way her husband did on domestic policy and the same way she did foreign policy as Secretary of State, and the DNC will put off reforming the twisted and undemocratic primary process until the indignities of the season are forgotten. Anyone who protests will be labeled a traitor and told to unite or die, at least until the election is over, after which they will simply be ignored.
A previously obscure socialist won the support of millions of voters, including previously disinterested apoliticals and independents, and came to the brink of winning the nomination (except of course for the cabal of insiders whose superthumbs tip the scales). The response from the DNC and their anointed candidate has been to shut their eyes, cover their ears, and pretend it's not happening. Sanders supporters may as well stay home or write in Deez Nutz. The Democratic party was given a chance to move to the left. Instead they pinned their hopes on a political dynasty who brought us the welfare "reform," prison "reform," and regulatory "reform" that set the stage for the major crises of the last decade.
A previously obscure socialist won the support of millions of voters, including previously disinterested apoliticals and independents, and came to the brink of winning the nomination (except of course for the cabal of insiders whose superthumbs tip the scales). The response from the DNC and their anointed candidate has been to shut their eyes, cover their ears, and pretend it's not happening. Sanders supporters may as well stay home or write in Deez Nutz. The Democratic party was given a chance to move to the left. Instead they pinned their hopes on a political dynasty who brought us the welfare "reform," prison "reform," and regulatory "reform" that set the stage for the major crises of the last decade.
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How quickly we forget. Ever take a look at the health care reforms Clinton proposed in the 90s? It was not single payer, but it was considerably more progressive (I think) than the ACA.
the annouced or reported commitment of super delegates, before the voting (any voting) inflected the entire primary process, in several knowable (the drumbeat of pro-hillary media hype, like a commercial replayed continually) and unknowable (the degree of predisposition cultivated in each member of a of a largely uncritical electorate), no matter how you look at it.
no doubt the confidence ms clinton gained from the the perceived head start had it's influence on the detail or rather, the lack of detail, in her campaign rhetoric, (a favorite is the promise that america has its gretaest days ahead "if we make the right decisions"), none of which were otherwise framed, and it's tone, rather declamation than invitation (both willie stark and william jefferson clinton made better connections to voters).
no doubt the confidence ms clinton gained from the the perceived head start had it's influence on the detail or rather, the lack of detail, in her campaign rhetoric, (a favorite is the promise that america has its gretaest days ahead "if we make the right decisions"), none of which were otherwise framed, and it's tone, rather declamation than invitation (both willie stark and william jefferson clinton made better connections to voters).
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Hillary won't bother trying to convince people that she won fairly. People are supposed to just accept it.
Hillary needs to attract the millennials. However, her personality is completely unsuited for interacting with the modern generation.
Hillary refuses to interact with the public of any age outside of some highly scripted setting. She has not had a press conference in going on six months. She will not grant spontaneous interviews. Having one more interview with George Stephanopolis, where you know Hillary's staff wrote the questions for him and the answers for her, will not help.
Meanwhile, Trump uses the platforms millennial use. He actually communicates what he really thinks, maybe even too often. Trump will go on any network or show for discussion. It is highly unlikely anybody is writing a script for him.
Hillary can insist that it is a tremendous prize, requiring months of negotiations over terms, for her to deign to allow a commoner representing the press to ask her questions, but she reinforces her image of completely fake and unauthentic.
Hillary needs to attract the millennials. However, her personality is completely unsuited for interacting with the modern generation.
Hillary refuses to interact with the public of any age outside of some highly scripted setting. She has not had a press conference in going on six months. She will not grant spontaneous interviews. Having one more interview with George Stephanopolis, where you know Hillary's staff wrote the questions for him and the answers for her, will not help.
Meanwhile, Trump uses the platforms millennial use. He actually communicates what he really thinks, maybe even too often. Trump will go on any network or show for discussion. It is highly unlikely anybody is writing a script for him.
Hillary can insist that it is a tremendous prize, requiring months of negotiations over terms, for her to deign to allow a commoner representing the press to ask her questions, but she reinforces her image of completely fake and unauthentic.
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Your assertions are laughably untrue because you are projecting a right wing fantasy. Clinton is very interactive and personable. It may shock you to know that millions of people really like and admire her. However, I somewhat agree with you about Trump. He is very unscripted and very sincerely a racist. He puts his heart and soul into a deeply pessimistic view of America. He isn't acting. He really is that repugnant and the America I know and love will not buy in November what he is selling in June. Love her or hate her, Hillary is the only candidate who offers a positive and inclusive vision for America.
It's not that Clinton needs to convince people that she won fairly (although, let's be honest, Wasserman Schultz and the Democratic Party apparatchik were clearly working on Clinton's behalf from the get-go).
For me, at least, I want a president that I'm confident will take on the big-moneyed interests that are corrupting our political and economic systems and fight for the reforms our country desperately needs. Based on the facts, I see no reason to believe that Clinton is that person.
I'm neither Democrat or Republican. I'm one of the growing number of independent voters who are turned off by partisan politics and disgusted by the increasingly obvious inequities in our society resulting in huge gains by a small sliver of our population at the expense of everyone else.
I will no longer vote for the lesser of evils or against someone (rather than for someone). I'll sit out the presidential election this year. In 2020, I'll be hoping for Warren, or someone like her.
And, all you Clinton supporters, please don't tell me I'm (fill in your derisive adjectives) for not supporting Clinton against Trump (whom I abhor, by the way). If Clinton's such a strong, slam dunk candidate in your eyes, then you won't need my vote regardless, will you?
For me, at least, I want a president that I'm confident will take on the big-moneyed interests that are corrupting our political and economic systems and fight for the reforms our country desperately needs. Based on the facts, I see no reason to believe that Clinton is that person.
I'm neither Democrat or Republican. I'm one of the growing number of independent voters who are turned off by partisan politics and disgusted by the increasingly obvious inequities in our society resulting in huge gains by a small sliver of our population at the expense of everyone else.
I will no longer vote for the lesser of evils or against someone (rather than for someone). I'll sit out the presidential election this year. In 2020, I'll be hoping for Warren, or someone like her.
And, all you Clinton supporters, please don't tell me I'm (fill in your derisive adjectives) for not supporting Clinton against Trump (whom I abhor, by the way). If Clinton's such a strong, slam dunk candidate in your eyes, then you won't need my vote regardless, will you?
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How will you like your crow served?
I might be with you with the exception of one issue that can be summed up in two words...Supreme Court.
I cannot, in good conscious, do nothing and let Trump influence the course of our nation for decades via the SCOTUS.
I cannot, in good conscious, do nothing and let Trump influence the course of our nation for decades via the SCOTUS.
Agreed. The reason we get stuck with this "better of two evils" choice is that we keep falling for it. I will vote Green, and if that means Trump wins then Hillary will have lost on her own merits, and maybe the Democratic Party will learn that they need to nominate someone who can WIN on her own merits. I stopped voting the better of two evils decades ago.
Along with others here, congratulations to Hillary Clinton and you have my active support in the general. As a Vermonter and a long-time Bernie person, I realized all along both that his movement was a long shot for president, but also that it was a very necessary corrective to our current political direction: and now the rubber meets the road. Let us see what Hillary's folks can offer Bernie's. Not merely window dressing like a prime-time slot for a speech or more presence on the Platform Committee, but definitely Warren as VP choice, active support for many of Bernie's ideas during the upcoming campaign, and also backing for the various down-ticket progressives that Bernie has started to support (in the last several weeks his campaign has been sending out emails about these folks). Then Bernie himself could get out there as a surrogate to keep the independents who agree with his ideas within the fold. It is doable, but it will take negotiations and compromise. Go Bernie!
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The perception that I have developed about the candidates for the presidential elections is totally based on the opinions and reviews that I have heard or the speeches of the candidates.If I would have been asked for my opinion then Bernie Sanders was my preference.His ideas influence young people but as Hillary is set to make history being the first female presidential nominee of a major political party.If she wins,it would be marked in history of America.Perhaps women would like to help Hillary in setting this milestone in the epoch where women are striving for their rights.Hillary's name in the ballot would certainly strengthen the position of women and would also be an important achievement accomplished by them. Women constitute 50.8 percent of the total population of The US and thus their inclination towards the first ever female candidate might be dangerous for Trump. Women might support Hillary so as to set a record but they need a strong reason in doing so.Barack Obama was elected and was supported not 'just' because he was to set history but his ideas influenced Americans. He was clear in thoughts and was the leader Americans sought for.Women certainly need a reason for supporting Hillary except the quest for female rights. Dodging questions will be sad as women are conscious they're voting for the most important person and Hillary's being woman candidate might be sidelined. Well Trump's not an ideal leader and it is obvious that the inclination is towards Hillary.
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The pressure on Sanders supporters -- that is, actual progressives -- to support Clinton will be enormous. But will it be based on any credible commitment to a progressive agenda? Climate change is an emergency. Will Clinton explain how she intends to respond? Perpetual, immoral, brutal, impoverishing war is another existential threat to this country, not to mention our wretched enemies. But Clinton is famously "muscular" and "never met a weapons system she didn't like." Will she continue to pour $1T into a "tactical" nuclear weapon? Will the darling of Wall St., whose family foundation has benefited so much from shaking down big donors, address the corruption of corporate money in American politics? We'll be hammered with the horrors of Trump, who is truly horrible, and scolded about Nader costing Gore the election, but these are both in their way fake arguments. Because Clinton is also horrible, and Gore cost himself the election far more substantially than any effect of Nader. Finally we'll be exhorted to support the first woman candidate, as though it were a feminist triumph for the former First Lady, with all her access and big donations, to buy herself a Senate seat and then parlay her 2008 loss into a consolation prize at State (where she pushed fracking and sold a lot of weapons to repressive regimes). To borrow from Mary McCarthy, every word of the Clinton narrative is a lie, including "and" and "the."
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It also requires an ability to compromise. No two people, let alone hundreds of millions of people, will agree. So either we have compromise that allows us to move forward or we have the rule of one person, dictatorship. We can't have democracy without compromise. To do that requires a conversation that we can't have unless we respect each other, while disagreeing. "Never met a weapon system she didn't like.", "darling of Wall Street", etc. is not respectful disagreement.
Question for Hillary supporters--tell me 3 SPECIFIC things you like about Hillary's foreign policy as shown by her actions as Sec. of State and as expressed in her speech last week. I mean specifics, not generalities like "she has experience," "she is a capable leader", etc.
My problem is this very paper correctly characterized her as a "Hawk." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-... This paper detailed how neocons support her. Hillary brags about her mutual admiration with Kissinger.
As Sec. of State, she urged Obama to bomb Libya into a stateless terrorist haven. She laughingly said, "We came, We left, He died." Google her statement to see something very eery. She voted for the Iraq War. She supported regime change in Syria. She supported the coup in Honduras. Her speech last week sounded like a conservative republican standing before 17 flags bragging about American exceptionalism.
She is the never ending war candidate. The pro-Israel at any cost candidate. The candidate whose specific judgments outlined above have led to an increase in terrorism. She is a saber rattler.
Now as for the 3 specific things Hillary supporters like about her foreign policy . . .
My problem is this very paper correctly characterized her as a "Hawk." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-... This paper detailed how neocons support her. Hillary brags about her mutual admiration with Kissinger.
As Sec. of State, she urged Obama to bomb Libya into a stateless terrorist haven. She laughingly said, "We came, We left, He died." Google her statement to see something very eery. She voted for the Iraq War. She supported regime change in Syria. She supported the coup in Honduras. Her speech last week sounded like a conservative republican standing before 17 flags bragging about American exceptionalism.
She is the never ending war candidate. The pro-Israel at any cost candidate. The candidate whose specific judgments outlined above have led to an increase in terrorism. She is a saber rattler.
Now as for the 3 specific things Hillary supporters like about her foreign policy . . .
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We will if you give us the three specific things you like about Donald's foreign policy ideas. Is it the admiration for Putin, the Idea that North Korea's nuclear weapons plans are just fine, the reasons why we should pull out of NATO? Or do you have some of his other cracked-brain ideas in mind?
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I like how she says what we want to hear, doesn't tell the truth and has no problem ordering hits on innocent women and children (Waco was the beginning of the war on women and children)
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1. The successful early negotiations leading to the Iran nuclear agreement.
2. Supporting Obama's decision to ambush bin Laden.
3. Her strong advocacy on behalf of women and girls worldwide.
2. Supporting Obama's decision to ambush bin Laden.
3. Her strong advocacy on behalf of women and girls worldwide.
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When Clinton lost the primary in 2008, she decided to support Obama, but only after he put $20 million in her pocket. Remember, Hillary's campaign had overspent and borrowed $20 million to Hillary herself, and after the defeat there were no chance the campaign would continue to receive donations allowing it to reimburse Hillary. Obama promised (and kept his promise) to fund-raise for her primary campaign during the summer, at the same time he was fund-raising for his own presidential bid. He successfully raised $20 million for her campaign, which immediately were reimbursed to Hillary Clinton's bank account.
The question is: what is Hillary going to give to Sanders and his supporters in exchange of their support? I strongly doubt that Sanders would be interested by $20 millions, and doubt even more that Clinton could ever be willing to give so much money away. The gift would have to be about the political programs. We'll see what happen. Then we decide between her and Trump.
The question is: what is Hillary going to give to Sanders and his supporters in exchange of their support? I strongly doubt that Sanders would be interested by $20 millions, and doubt even more that Clinton could ever be willing to give so much money away. The gift would have to be about the political programs. We'll see what happen. Then we decide between her and Trump.
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"The question is: what is Hillary going to give to Sanders and his supporters in exchange of their support?"
The answer--nothing of substance. Maybe a few rhetorical bones, but the base of her support despise Sanders and his supporting BernieBros, or whatever inane, insulting name they have conjured up over the past few months.
You either support Hilary or you get Trump. Criticize Hillary and you must be supporting Trump.
Hillary is a neoliberal, neocon who is drenched in special interest money. Her supporters either agree that is good for a Democratic candidate, rationalize it all away, or simply put their heads in the sand.
Bernie was always an unwelcome thorn in the side of the DNC and Hillary. He messed up the coronation. And in the end if Hillary loses to Donald, he will be blamed. Rest assured, Hillary can do no wrong and even if the FBI recommends an indictment, or her staff is indicted, her supporters will tell us how it is all a witch hunt.
What a depressing election--Hillary v. Donald. The two least trusted and favored candidates of the bunch.
The answer--nothing of substance. Maybe a few rhetorical bones, but the base of her support despise Sanders and his supporting BernieBros, or whatever inane, insulting name they have conjured up over the past few months.
You either support Hilary or you get Trump. Criticize Hillary and you must be supporting Trump.
Hillary is a neoliberal, neocon who is drenched in special interest money. Her supporters either agree that is good for a Democratic candidate, rationalize it all away, or simply put their heads in the sand.
Bernie was always an unwelcome thorn in the side of the DNC and Hillary. He messed up the coronation. And in the end if Hillary loses to Donald, he will be blamed. Rest assured, Hillary can do no wrong and even if the FBI recommends an indictment, or her staff is indicted, her supporters will tell us how it is all a witch hunt.
What a depressing election--Hillary v. Donald. The two least trusted and favored candidates of the bunch.
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The manipulations and shenanigans of the Democratic establishment, including the NYT, to promote and make sure that THEIR candidate is nominated reveals the depraved nature of the elite system. Elite system operates on exclusion. Yes, elites can include new members into their ranks but that does not make them inclusive. The election of a black president did not eliminate the exclusion of blacks and racism in America. The election of a woman president may result in the inclusion of high power women into the elite but it will not include all women. The elite system has to maintain itself. Including all means that elites have to cease to exist. That’s what elite will not do. It will not abolish itself. And as long as it exists, it will practice exclusion. A true democracy requires universal inclusion. How all can be included? That’s a different issue. But it is resolvable. The system of democracy in Athens included all citizens. There is a hint of universal inclusion in Bernie’s campaign but he has not developed it sufficiently. Well, maybe next time. For now, it’s all Hillary, which means that the elite system will survive. It remains to be seen for how long.
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She won more votes. That is democracy.
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It's the elite system because it's the best. Get onboard for the big win!
I see the hagiography continues at the Gray Lady. Mrs. Clinton does not 'dodge uncomfortable questions'. She lies. That is what the recent Inspector General report concludes in its investigation of the email server contretemps.
Taking another example, the Clinton Foundation. As Bernie recently said when asked about its operation, 'if you are asking me if I have a problem with the husband of a sitting Secretary of State taking large sums of money from foreign countries, yes, I have a problem with that.' Unfortunately for Bernie he took the gloves off a little too late.
Her entire political history is a variation on the theme of ethically obtuse power politics, so good luck with the wish that Bernie supporters conveniently forget that unfortunate history. Outside of the Republican party, she embodies everything that they despise in current American politics.
Trump won't be president, but don't ask Bernie supporters to lead her coronation.
Taking another example, the Clinton Foundation. As Bernie recently said when asked about its operation, 'if you are asking me if I have a problem with the husband of a sitting Secretary of State taking large sums of money from foreign countries, yes, I have a problem with that.' Unfortunately for Bernie he took the gloves off a little too late.
Her entire political history is a variation on the theme of ethically obtuse power politics, so good luck with the wish that Bernie supporters conveniently forget that unfortunate history. Outside of the Republican party, she embodies everything that they despise in current American politics.
Trump won't be president, but don't ask Bernie supporters to lead her coronation.
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Why not? Anyone who supported Sen Sanders surely could not want there to be any chance of a President Trump. With all Sec Clinton's faults she is a center left, steady hand that is not looking to make incremental changes in the right direction.
I'm waiting for an editorial or opinion piece suggesting that it is time for both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren to seriously consider working to offer Millenials and genuine progressives a party of their own which reflects their beliefs and values. I am a lifelong Democrat who would characterize himself as being a New Deal/Kennedy (Robert) Democrat. I think that the party has become a pale imitation of its past. They swim in the same sewer as the Republicans and are subject to the same pressure to fund raise for re-election from day one of their election. Millenials are stuck with our failures and view the world differently. They view government as a necessary tool to even the playing field and handle big issues such as global warming and income inequity. For many of us, Hillary Clinton is not the answer. She represents a philosophy of being for all the right things without presenting a way to do the right thing. In short, she is a Limousine Liberal. A third party of genuine progressives could force the Democrats to focus on constituencies rather than lobbyists and PAC funding. Coalition governments exist in Europe; it is time for us to catch up. That can be Bernie's legacy and would probably be a good fit for Senator Warren.
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Unfortunately, the US government does not have a parliamentary systems with power sharing between parties in a coalition. That means that a 3rd party will only split the vote and hand the election to one of the 2 major parties.
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A bit of advice to those who are trying to win over those of us who have supported Senator Sanders. This is going to take some time, just as it did with Clinton's supporters in 2008. Let's admit that the process by which nominees are selected is flawed and needs changes in the rules - moving to uniform voting in primaries instead of undemocratic caucuses with convoluted multi-tier delegate selection processes, opening primaries to the millions of independents who are shut out, and reducing the role of superdelegates for a start. In addition, a campaign should be represented on key convention committees in proportion to how many delegates it wins. Hillary Clinton can do much to earn our trust by naming a new chair for the DNC. Much of the resentment that continues to fester can be traced directly to Debbie Wasserman Schultz whose questionable decisions have fanned suspicions of bias.
Most of us will vote for Hillary Clinton in November, just as most of her supporters did in 2008. Many of us may actually volunteer and donate to her campaign, but only if we see real commitment to the progressive ideas our party once stood for.
Most of us will vote for Hillary Clinton in November, just as most of her supporters did in 2008. Many of us may actually volunteer and donate to her campaign, but only if we see real commitment to the progressive ideas our party once stood for.
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Insisting on open primaries is a non-starter. It has never made any sense to insist on non-Democrats choosing the Democratic nominee. Eliminating caucuses would be great but in the current election cycle it would have just meant that Sanders would have lost even more decisively.
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Get rid of bully-boy caucuses and give democrats one'voter'one'vote - but, don't try to game the system with cause sqwauk orgies that favor those who don't have to hold down a day job.
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This is exactly the outcome that I predicted in early March as did Nate Silver and others - the math was pretty unavoidable. That is what poll projections based on real voter records is a about. The caucuses (as per last night) provided Sanders with false credibility. The popular votes and super delegates wound up much more aligned with one another. What this says is that if Sanders really wants to demand a 'reform' that removes super delegates -QUID PRO QUO - the caucuses must be reformed first for direct participation by registered voters. As for letting Republicans cross over or Democrats cross over and potentially sabotage the nominating process of the opposition - which so-called 'open primaries' facilitate - Democrats should take a long and hard look at that issue before humoring an objection from Sanders that might be based entirely on loser remorse.
jwp-nyc new york Pending Approval
This is exactly the outcome that I predicted in early March as did Nate Silver and others - the math was pretty unavoidable. That is what poll projections based on real voter records is a about. The caucuses (as per last night) provided Sanders with false credibility. The popular votes and super delegates wound up much more aligned with one another. What this says is that if Sanders really wants to demand a 'reform' that removes super delegates -QUID PRO QUO - the caucuses must be reformed first for direct participation by registered voters. As for letting Republicans cross over or Democrats cross over and potentially sabotage the nominating process of the opposition - which so-called 'open primaries' facilitate - Democrats should take a long and hard look at that issue before humoring an objection from Sanders that might be based entirely on loser remorse.
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I, too, have been a Sanders supporter, who fully intends, albeit reluctantly, to stand behind Clinton to assure a Democratic victory. However, I find it strange that you refer to "undemocratic caucuses" - are you aware that Sanders has vocally endorsed the caucus process? Your own candidate doesn't agree with your comment - he was interviewed by Rachel Maddow on MSNBC a month or so ago, and said he likes the caucus process because it forces true exchange of ideas.
I like Sanders, a lot. But I don't get this idea that Clinton didn't win "fairly." I especially don't get the idea that the supposed unfairness relates somehow to superdelegates.
If superdelegates were abolished, Clinton would have won by more than 400 pledged delegates. So the only conceivable basis for Sanders continuing his campaign is the existence of superdelegates. You don't get to condemn superdelegates as unfair while simultaneously relying on them as the sole basis for your campaign.
The fact is, by relying very heavily on proportional award of delegates in primary states, the Democratic Party nominating process is more democratic than any major party's nominating process in the history of the Republic - no winner-take-all, no minimum vote necessary.
Caucuses, where Sanders did especially well, deprive the voter of the confidentiality of the voting booth - not exactly a hallmark of modern democracy.
Sanders had a great run, and his contribution to American politics will benefit the country for years to come. But he lost - fair and square - and it's time to move on.
Saying otherwise tempts fate more than we can afford - even if Trump were a standard-issue conservative and not a bigoted blowhard, we cannot take any unnecessary chances about who gets to select Scalia's replacement on the Supreme Court. Not, that is, if we care about civil rights, voting rights, abortion rights, health care, Citizens United, etc., etc.
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If superdelegates were abolished, Clinton would have won by more than 400 pledged delegates. So the only conceivable basis for Sanders continuing his campaign is the existence of superdelegates. You don't get to condemn superdelegates as unfair while simultaneously relying on them as the sole basis for your campaign.
The fact is, by relying very heavily on proportional award of delegates in primary states, the Democratic Party nominating process is more democratic than any major party's nominating process in the history of the Republic - no winner-take-all, no minimum vote necessary.
Caucuses, where Sanders did especially well, deprive the voter of the confidentiality of the voting booth - not exactly a hallmark of modern democracy.
Sanders had a great run, and his contribution to American politics will benefit the country for years to come. But he lost - fair and square - and it's time to move on.
Saying otherwise tempts fate more than we can afford - even if Trump were a standard-issue conservative and not a bigoted blowhard, we cannot take any unnecessary chances about who gets to select Scalia's replacement on the Supreme Court. Not, that is, if we care about civil rights, voting rights, abortion rights, health care, Citizens United, etc., etc.
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Griping about injustice in the primary system of the party that gave him a shot diminished Sanders. Certainly the primaries and caucuses need to be changed. But Bernie's moaning has affected some of his supporters who seem to think the world is not fair if they don't get their way.
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Ecce--So, yes, we can see that you don't "get it." That is the problem.
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To gain support of the Sanders' voters Mrs. Clinton needs too be specific.
Why does she oppose reinstating the Glass Steagall separation of commercial from investment banking.
What did she tell the Wall Street execs in her high priced speeches whose transcripts she refuses to release.
Why does she refuse raising the Social Security salary cap.
Will she commit to not reducing SS and Medicare benefits.
In her speech to AIPAC she said the first thing she would do as president is invite Netanyahu to the oval office.
Does Clinton support Israel's expansionist policies.
What is her policy for Syria.
Why does she oppose reinstating the Glass Steagall separation of commercial from investment banking.
What did she tell the Wall Street execs in her high priced speeches whose transcripts she refuses to release.
Why does she refuse raising the Social Security salary cap.
Will she commit to not reducing SS and Medicare benefits.
In her speech to AIPAC she said the first thing she would do as president is invite Netanyahu to the oval office.
Does Clinton support Israel's expansionist policies.
What is her policy for Syria.
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Hillary won the nomination fair and square. The super delegates really were not a factor and did not play a part. The Democratic Party awards delegates on a proportional basis. Hillary won 55% of the pledged delegates. If the super delegates were eliminated and turned into pledged delegates, Hillary would have won 55% of them also which would have given her 2524 delegates.
If she had won less than 50% of the allocated pledged delegates, then a case could be made that the pledged delegates gave her the win. That didn't happen. She won the nomination on her own.
If she had won less than 50% of the allocated pledged delegates, then a case could be made that the pledged delegates gave her the win. That didn't happen. She won the nomination on her own.
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The superdelegates were a factor because a number of them said they would vote for Clinton before she even entered the race. so out of the gate it appeared that she had a huge edge. Timing matters--if all primaries/caucuses had been held at the same time (let's say yesterday, we may have seen a much different response.
Face it - the party DID conspire to deprive them of their choice. As did the New York Times.
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Weren't the party rules for primaries and super delegates in place BEFORE Sen. Sanders decided to run?
Yes, the media can be fairly accused of giving more time and space to the frontrunner. Sen. Sanders, Gov. O'Malley, Gov. Chaffee and Sen. Webb all had legitimate complaints.
Yes, the media can be fairly accused of giving more time and space to the frontrunner. Sen. Sanders, Gov. O'Malley, Gov. Chaffee and Sen. Webb all had legitimate complaints.
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Ellen, look at the facts (delegates /votes/victories) .That's why HRC won.
The media can be "fairly" accused? What's fair about corporate media?
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Ive been a strident Sanders supporter since I got over my disbelief that someone would run as a democratic socialist in the USA. Reluctant congratulations to Secretary Clinton, you won fair and square.
Our revolution is not over, it is beginning. An octogenarian senator from Vermont managed to reach millions of Americans who are being ground to death by our political institutions and economic system. His message was real, they speak across generations, and it is hard to claim that, in a vacuum, his policies would not be beneficial to the country. It now falls to us Bros, those of us in our 20s and 30s, to carry and preserve the message.
Agency and organization are key. Do your homework, get out in the community, make sure that true progressives are entering offices such as county electoral committees. Continue to hold political rallies and discussions. Show the DNC that THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OUR COUNTRY TO LOOK LIKE. The GOP adopted this strategy: they're not so smart but it worked for them. We lost this battle, but I will use my franchise and energy to fight on until the People's voices are heard.
Secretary Clinton is far from an ideal candidate, and I would say that she is indeed flawed in some respects. But she will be able to get the job done; she is as smart as a whip (oftentimes a know it all) and can get a solid grasp on the minutiae of complex situations. And she is a true progressive. A HRC presidency is better than the nightmare that DJT would foist upon us.
Our revolution is not over, it is beginning. An octogenarian senator from Vermont managed to reach millions of Americans who are being ground to death by our political institutions and economic system. His message was real, they speak across generations, and it is hard to claim that, in a vacuum, his policies would not be beneficial to the country. It now falls to us Bros, those of us in our 20s and 30s, to carry and preserve the message.
Agency and organization are key. Do your homework, get out in the community, make sure that true progressives are entering offices such as county electoral committees. Continue to hold political rallies and discussions. Show the DNC that THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OUR COUNTRY TO LOOK LIKE. The GOP adopted this strategy: they're not so smart but it worked for them. We lost this battle, but I will use my franchise and energy to fight on until the People's voices are heard.
Secretary Clinton is far from an ideal candidate, and I would say that she is indeed flawed in some respects. But she will be able to get the job done; she is as smart as a whip (oftentimes a know it all) and can get a solid grasp on the minutiae of complex situations. And she is a true progressive. A HRC presidency is better than the nightmare that DJT would foist upon us.
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Hi: so you're upset with the system. Who's your local congressional member? Who's your representative in the CA senate? Do you do ANYthing with local politics?!
Why do you put all your faith for reforming the political process in Senator Sanders, who by his own admission and actions has for 30+ years been a political outsider?
You want to change things, get involved BUT don't rail about a system whose flaws are well documented - and one in which Mr. Sanders had been participating in for decades, but now deems unfair.
Finally, can we give Secretary Clinton some credit for her ability to successfully negotiate a challenging race and having the grace AND courtesy to reach out to her opponent with an olive branch - something Mr. Sanders is not willing to do (can you say "sore loser" OR - perhaps - "cranky old guy"...)!
Why do you put all your faith for reforming the political process in Senator Sanders, who by his own admission and actions has for 30+ years been a political outsider?
You want to change things, get involved BUT don't rail about a system whose flaws are well documented - and one in which Mr. Sanders had been participating in for decades, but now deems unfair.
Finally, can we give Secretary Clinton some credit for her ability to successfully negotiate a challenging race and having the grace AND courtesy to reach out to her opponent with an olive branch - something Mr. Sanders is not willing to do (can you say "sore loser" OR - perhaps - "cranky old guy"...)!
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Unfortunately, Billary would continue her/Obama's attack on the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, particularly. So really, the vote becomes protecting the 2nd Amendment by voting NOT Clinton, or protecting the 1st Amendment by voting NOT Trump. Sanders is the only viable candidate for protecting BOTH the 1st AND 2nd Amendments.
"Fair and square" is very generous of you.
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The Editorial Board ought to be ashamed of itself. What tepid words of encouragement for a leader in waiting who has been fighting her heart out for human rights and equal opportunity her entire adult life. Without question there is true heroism in Hillary Rodham Clinton. Perhaps the Editorial Board doesn't know an honest to God heroine when they see one? Then again, to be fair, as we were recently reminded The Times persisted in referring to Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay for years and years as if they knew better than he did what his name ought to be, so maybe the Editorial Board has as much trouble recognizing the heroes as it does heroines in our midst .
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I don't think anyone with anything close to an unbiased perspective can fault the NYT (or most mass media, US and otherwise) for being unkind to HRC.
An " honest to God heroine" wouldn't have stayed married to a philandering husband unless she needed his name and connections to stay in the game.
A real heroine would have played the game on her own. That's the role model this country needed.
A real heroine would have played the game on her own. That's the role model this country needed.
Please specify Hillary's heroic acts. I'm listening.
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When Senator Clinton lost the nomination in 2008, many supporters decided to skip the election. Hilary set aside her disappointment and urged us to work 3 weekends in PA to support the Obama Campaign. Heck, I even voted early and worked in PA on election day. We toiled in neighborhoods where it seemed that every garage had a Senator McClain display but we did it because she asked. So many Hillary supporters were in that area that the campaign office placed a life size Obama display outside holding the sign: "Welcome Hillary Supporters". I trust that Senator Sanders will stop his nonsense and urge his supporters to get on board. Also, why does nominee Hillary have to convince anyone that she won "fairly"? Did she write the rules for the 2016 primary season?
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Those Clinton supporters urging Sanders to accept reality should be urging their candidate to demonstrate clearly and unequivocally her support for poor, working, and middle-income Americans. Among other things, she must insist 1) there will be no more "free" trade deals when she takes office, 2) she will focus both on improving access to healthcare and education while reducing costs, and 3) disentangling us from the disastrous military adventures in the middle east that she supported.
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Yes, this was after Obama promised to pay off her $20 million in campaign debt and after they made a deal for her to have SOS. Bernie will urge his supporters to get on board after he horse trades the way she did in 2008.
At 72 years old, I am hardly a millennial, but I have been a devoted Bernie supporter, because he brought so much new to the table: the concept that health care was a right, not a privilege; that war should be the last option, not the first; that our democracy should belong to all of us, not just to the 1%.
I have also followed the careers of Hillary and Bill Clinton for many years, and think that neither of them represent the ethics and integrity that I believe should be in the Oval Office. I will never vote for Trump, as I certainly don't want anyone so unstable and irrational to have access to our nuclear codes.
I am very undecided what I will do and whom I will end up supporting, but one thing is clear to me, that Hillary supporters have been telling those of us who don't support her, that we aren't "real" Democrats and that they do not need our votes. A very, very foolish suggestion, in my opinion.
So perhaps, I will just do what they are suggesting, sit on my hands and refuse to vote for Hillary. Good luck to the DNC for presenting us with such a flawed candidate. Perhaps we will end up with Biden parachuting in to save us all when the FBI finishes its investigation.
I have also followed the careers of Hillary and Bill Clinton for many years, and think that neither of them represent the ethics and integrity that I believe should be in the Oval Office. I will never vote for Trump, as I certainly don't want anyone so unstable and irrational to have access to our nuclear codes.
I am very undecided what I will do and whom I will end up supporting, but one thing is clear to me, that Hillary supporters have been telling those of us who don't support her, that we aren't "real" Democrats and that they do not need our votes. A very, very foolish suggestion, in my opinion.
So perhaps, I will just do what they are suggesting, sit on my hands and refuse to vote for Hillary. Good luck to the DNC for presenting us with such a flawed candidate. Perhaps we will end up with Biden parachuting in to save us all when the FBI finishes its investigation.
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A very wise comment, thank you.
Carol--Please don't do that. This may be your last opportunity to do your civic duty. This is not a case of "look what you made me do."
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to Carol from Callifornia: What a really wonderful thought out comment
that I couldn't have said any better. I hope everyone will read this and
thank you for it.
that I couldn't have said any better. I hope everyone will read this and
thank you for it.
This millennial is staying home on election day. Hopefully the Democrats get creamed good this time. Maybe next time they'll listen to us, probably not though. It doesn't matter in the end, we don't need them at all.
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Please rethink, the country needs you to vote, you and the people you care about
need you to vote. Unless you love the idea of Trump.
need you to vote. Unless you love the idea of Trump.
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So you didn't get your way so you are willing to hurt yourself and the country and let Trump rule--see if he listens to you or even let's you voice an opinion!
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Hopefully Americans don't need you and your vote to avoid catastrophe. You might want to think of the common good in the real world though instead of crying about how unfair life is because your fantasy extra-common good candidate lost.
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Proud of Hillary. Proud of our country for nominating an intelligent, well-qualified and dedicated public servant to lead our country and to continue the foundation to rebuild our nation with greater justice, peace and prosperity for all -- an endeavor that the great President Obama began in 2008 after a horrible tenure of greed, war and neglect.
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Funny, it seems the pattern of greed, war, and neglect has continued under this administration. Cf. "JV"
It wasn't fair: the Democrat leadership rigged it so that a *Democrat* would win! How dare they!
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As the old graffiti says, "If I hadn't believed it with my own mind, I never would have seen it." The people who believe that Clinton fixed the primaries, cheated, stole votes, and is corrupt are not basing their belief on substance, but on ideology.
You can't persuade ideologues to switch to rational pragmatism. There isn't much Clinton can do, except take the high road and run a good campaign. Her speech tonight, with its rousing promise to "watch our backs" and its gracious praise of Sen. Sanders, was a good start.
The rest is up to Bernie. Either he will do the right thing and deliver his voters, or he won't. Either he will use his newfound national voice to build a longterm program, or he will go the way of Ralph Nader, scorned and dismissed. Your move, Bernie.
You can't persuade ideologues to switch to rational pragmatism. There isn't much Clinton can do, except take the high road and run a good campaign. Her speech tonight, with its rousing promise to "watch our backs" and its gracious praise of Sen. Sanders, was a good start.
The rest is up to Bernie. Either he will do the right thing and deliver his voters, or he won't. Either he will use his newfound national voice to build a longterm program, or he will go the way of Ralph Nader, scorned and dismissed. Your move, Bernie.
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Ralph Nader ran as a third party candidate, drew less votes in Florida than Pat Buchanan did. And Florida would have been irrelevant had Al Gore carried his home state of Tennessee, which had elected both him and his father to the $enate. Don't blame Nader for Gore's failings, including failing to comprehend Clinton's rising popularity in 2000, and running away from Bill.
By the same token, if Clinton blows this, there will be nobody to legitimately blame but her. She has 21 weeks, less one day, to convince America that she's a better choice than a deranged, disinhibited, narcissistic demogogue. Think she can do that, Mal. I'm both a Sanders supporter and contributor, and I'll vote for her, albeit without fervor.
By the same token, if Clinton blows this, there will be nobody to legitimately blame but her. She has 21 weeks, less one day, to convince America that she's a better choice than a deranged, disinhibited, narcissistic demogogue. Think she can do that, Mal. I'm both a Sanders supporter and contributor, and I'll vote for her, albeit without fervor.
Good luck with the Bernie Bunch. An article in Nation of Change, a site that favors Sanders, demands: "Shut Down the Democratic National Convention."
Shades of Chicago '68!
Shades of Chicago '68!
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As a baby boomer, I remember my anger at the Democrats in '68. I'm ashamed to say we gave the country Nixon. Are today's young people going to give the country to Trump? Please don't.
Hillary gave a speech for $260k at The American Camp Assoc. that asks for donations to send less fortunate children to camp for a day for $50. If HRC cared one iota about children and poverty she would have left her fee on the table to send 520,000 children to camp.
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Why exactly should she make speeches for anyone? She has her own life. Maybe she wants to babysit her grandchild. She probably gets a thousand requests for speeches. If the going rate for someone of her stature is $250,000+, then to go to the effort to make the speech, she wants the going rate. YOU go give a speech and donate the proceeds. Oh, they didn't ask you?
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I'm not a math scientist, but I think you mean 5,200. Point taken though.
Precisely why I have such a problem with so many of her paid speeches. The greed is unbelievable. Someone truly "fighting for us" would not be taking money from schools and other organizations that could be used for scholarships, sending inner city kids to camp, etc.
Sorry, NYT. Mrs. Clinton cannot release the transcripts. If she did, she would lose the election.
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I don't get the whole speech thing. If something truly earth-shattering and game-changing were in them, wouldn't someone by now have leaked the content? Hard to give a speech to a bunch of people and not have someone talk about it.
I want to see Trump's tax return.
Sorry. Trump can release his tax records. If he did, he would lose the election.
Thank you President Obama for your gracious comments about Bernie Sanders tonight. I expected no less from our great president.
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Your announcement this morning that she clinched the nomination, before she won a majority of pledged delegates today, didn't help.
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HRC makes me feel like we are going back to George W.
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George W's supporters are moving to her, because they agree with you.
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When Obama beat Clinton in 2008 I didn't whine about how the system was rigged and we needed to change the rules mid-stream so Clinton would win. Mr. Obama didn't have to "win me over," I knew in a heartbeat I would vote for him over Mr. Romney, the true hero of the 1%. (Remember that recording?) But somehow when a women **finally** wins a presidential nomination she has to go many extra miles to prove to the boys that she really, really, deserves it -- even when the alternative is an ignorant, arrogant, lying racist.
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Pro tip: He ran against John McCain in '08.
It has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being willing to say or do ANYTHING to further her own agenda. I would put absolutely nothing beneath the Clintons if it meant furthering their own agenda. Nothing.
And let's not forget that she is, at least from a foreign policy perspective, a neocon in every sense of the word.
It has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being willing to say or do ANYTHING to further her own agenda. I would put absolutely nothing beneath the Clintons if it meant furthering their own agenda. Nothing.
And let's not forget that she is, at least from a foreign policy perspective, a neocon in every sense of the word.
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This shows one of the major issues with our country. Unlike Obama, the evidence of corruption and cover ups from the Clinton camp is overwhelming, yet you suggest weighing these facts is not an act of due diligence but rather sexism.
Hillary does not help women when she avoids legitimate concerns by brushing them off as sexist, the latest iteration of "vast right wing conspiracy". The same goes for the media, many of us heard the question/statement posed to sanders- "what do you say to those women who believe your remaining in the race against Sec. Clinton is sexist?"... Clinton can't be triumphant about shattering the glass ceiling while taking cover under it
Hillary does not help women when she avoids legitimate concerns by brushing them off as sexist, the latest iteration of "vast right wing conspiracy". The same goes for the media, many of us heard the question/statement posed to sanders- "what do you say to those women who believe your remaining in the race against Sec. Clinton is sexist?"... Clinton can't be triumphant about shattering the glass ceiling while taking cover under it
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Clinton's supporters in 2008 (I was one of them) were 99%+ reliable Democratic voters. Of course we all enthusiastically voted for Obama.
Sanders' supporters in 2016 include substantial numbers of unreliable voters who, if they vote for any major party candidate, would vote for the Democrat.
But there's a real risk for Clinton that large numbers of Sanders' supporters will sit out the general election, or vote for Jill Stein. This isn't sexism at work - it's just a matter of these people having a different view of politics than you and I. We aren't going to be able to change these people, but we have a chance of convincing them that it's important to vote for their preferred major party candidate this fall.
John Kerry failed to inspire enough of the unreliables and lost.
Al Gore failed to inspire enough of the unreliables and lost.
Obama won the nomination through the unreliables and won in a landslide.
HRC hasn't taken Obama's path to nomination but rather the core Democrat path that Gore and Kerry took. Let's hope she's able to reverse the trend and win a general election.
Sanders' supporters in 2016 include substantial numbers of unreliable voters who, if they vote for any major party candidate, would vote for the Democrat.
But there's a real risk for Clinton that large numbers of Sanders' supporters will sit out the general election, or vote for Jill Stein. This isn't sexism at work - it's just a matter of these people having a different view of politics than you and I. We aren't going to be able to change these people, but we have a chance of convincing them that it's important to vote for their preferred major party candidate this fall.
John Kerry failed to inspire enough of the unreliables and lost.
Al Gore failed to inspire enough of the unreliables and lost.
Obama won the nomination through the unreliables and won in a landslide.
HRC hasn't taken Obama's path to nomination but rather the core Democrat path that Gore and Kerry took. Let's hope she's able to reverse the trend and win a general election.
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Hillary doesn't have to convince them. I firmly believe that this is a media-hyped probem. The majority of Bernie supporters, while disappointed, are able to deal with it. They are the ones you don't hear much from because they aren't so vocal and hostile. As for the diehards, if the fact that 3 million more people (and that's before tonight) voted for Hillary than did for Bernie does not convince them, it's not Hillary's fault. Why should she be responsible for the fact that some Bernie progressives are so bummed that they are temporarily disconnected from the rules of democracy. What is she, their mom? And if the fact that she's running against Trump still isn't enough to convince them to vote for her in the general, then they were never going to vote for her anyways. She'll do her best, I'm sure, because she's already been conciliatory. Stop making people's beliefs her problem. I haven't heard anyone say "Trump needs to convince moderate Republican voters", and Sanders is campaigning, so he certainly has not been alerting his supporters that his quest to flip the script is rather quixotic.
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I think there are a lot of Bernie supporters who are sick and tired of voting--out of fear--for the lesser of two evils. Bernie gave real hope to progressives who, for once, felt like they could vote in favor of someone, not against some one else.
With regard to releasing the transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall Street, what say does she have in the matter? Think about this: if you pay someone (a lawyer, a stockbroker, etc.) for advice, and then that person gives that advice away for free, would you be angry? Of course you would. So beforehand, you'd protect yourself. Clinton might be contractually prohibited from disclosing the transcripts. Any decision about releasing them could be solely in the hands of those who paid to hear her. If she is prohibited from releasing them, then she ought to say so.
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I agree. If she is prohibited from releasing them, she should say so. But she isn't. She owns the rights to the speeches and transcripts. She can release them if she wants. There are templates of her speech contracts available online.
Won fairly? Clinton had dominated Sanders in every electoral metric: pledged delegates, popular vote, number of contests won, super delegates, etc. She has simply triumphed across the board. She is the most popular candidate and has won comfortably. In a democracy, how is it possible to construe this as anything other than a fair outcome?
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A lot of people think Hillary is a lesser of two evil. The fact is Hillary has dedicated her life for children, America, and the world at large. The conservatives and republicans have driven the narrative about her character and capabilities, but they couldn't be more wrong.
America knows the difference between a good person and a charlatan, so it will elect Hillary the next president of the U.S.A.
America knows the difference between a good person and a charlatan, so it will elect Hillary the next president of the U.S.A.
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"America knows the difference between a good person and a charlatan," and that is Hillary's basic problem.
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Ah, Mark. I'd like to agree. But what about all those Americans who support the charlatan Trump?
Clinton doesn't need to convince Sanders voters she won fairly, she needs to convince Sanders supporters that she's not another neoliberal war-starter, in the pocket of the Wall Street banks.
I don't know how she can do that, frankly, other than selecting Liz Warren as her VP. If, instead, Clinton reaches out to the Bill Kristol's of this world, continues to claim that Netanyahu will be visiting her in the oval office on day one, and that she's still itching to bomb Iran, she could lose half of Sander's voters to the sofa.
I don't know where she'll land, because I rarely know where she stands. I can only hope her general competence carries the day.
I don't know how she can do that, frankly, other than selecting Liz Warren as her VP. If, instead, Clinton reaches out to the Bill Kristol's of this world, continues to claim that Netanyahu will be visiting her in the oval office on day one, and that she's still itching to bomb Iran, she could lose half of Sander's voters to the sofa.
I don't know where she'll land, because I rarely know where she stands. I can only hope her general competence carries the day.
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24 hours after the Associated Press and NYT prematurely called the nomination for Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders is being buried in the early voting in California.
The Clinton campaign must have been terrified of losing California to Bernie to leak that memo about super delegates to the AP and then organize that gloating Brooklyn rally to celebrate her premature 'nomination' (which is not locked in until the final week of July after balloting at the convention), hours before the polls close in California. The Clinton campaign found fraudulent ways to make sure they sidelined Bernie Sanders today. A phony 'lock' on the nomination, a rally 'celebrating' this phony lock.
The treatment of Bernie Sanders by the Clintons, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC throughout this campaign has been shameful. Hillary badly needs Bernie supporters to win this election.
When will she stop acting like a queen being coronated and look at what a dismally corrupt campaign this was.
Wait, I'm asking this about a woman who took million$ in payments from Wall Street 5 months before announcing her 'historic' run for president.
The Clinton campaign must have been terrified of losing California to Bernie to leak that memo about super delegates to the AP and then organize that gloating Brooklyn rally to celebrate her premature 'nomination' (which is not locked in until the final week of July after balloting at the convention), hours before the polls close in California. The Clinton campaign found fraudulent ways to make sure they sidelined Bernie Sanders today. A phony 'lock' on the nomination, a rally 'celebrating' this phony lock.
The treatment of Bernie Sanders by the Clintons, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC throughout this campaign has been shameful. Hillary badly needs Bernie supporters to win this election.
When will she stop acting like a queen being coronated and look at what a dismally corrupt campaign this was.
Wait, I'm asking this about a woman who took million$ in payments from Wall Street 5 months before announcing her 'historic' run for president.
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yes, when your candidate doesn't get the votes, whine about the corruption on the other side. is it a wonder he didn't get the votes? Hillary's campaign isn't the AP, nor can they tell the AP not to report. unless you want new rules for the 1st amendment too.
Now it's $millions? Why not go for $billions?
I'm pretty sure the focus on bringing "young people" into the voting booth on behalf of Hillary is misguided.
The Bernie supporters I know have few things in common except their income quintile; they are young and old, minority and not, but... most are earning in the bottom 40%.
Now, the Millennial generation is larger than the generations preceding it, meaning that its energy is magnified, so it definitely seems to have an outsized presence in Bernie's campaign, especially when compared to Hillary's.
But Hillary's campaign also attracts young people - but young people who are better off, and therefor there are fewer young people in Hillary's campaign. Because the earning potential of most youth has been suppressed by low wages and high cost of everything, there are just more poor young people, and hence more young Bernie supporters.
So, my advice to Hillary is to show us that you respect the work of all people, not just people who can afford Armani like you. Show us that you want to break the cycles of influence peddling in DC including campaign finance reform (you haven't said a peep about it this campaign.) One tends to support the issues that affect our friends. Whether the people we hobnob with are the PBR crowd or the Dom Perignon crowd, affects how we perceive issues.
For example, privatizing SS was a good idea to people who owned hedge funds and Republican people who hung out with those people. Other harmful ideas, too, like Ending Welfare as We Know it...
The Bernie supporters I know have few things in common except their income quintile; they are young and old, minority and not, but... most are earning in the bottom 40%.
Now, the Millennial generation is larger than the generations preceding it, meaning that its energy is magnified, so it definitely seems to have an outsized presence in Bernie's campaign, especially when compared to Hillary's.
But Hillary's campaign also attracts young people - but young people who are better off, and therefor there are fewer young people in Hillary's campaign. Because the earning potential of most youth has been suppressed by low wages and high cost of everything, there are just more poor young people, and hence more young Bernie supporters.
So, my advice to Hillary is to show us that you respect the work of all people, not just people who can afford Armani like you. Show us that you want to break the cycles of influence peddling in DC including campaign finance reform (you haven't said a peep about it this campaign.) One tends to support the issues that affect our friends. Whether the people we hobnob with are the PBR crowd or the Dom Perignon crowd, affects how we perceive issues.
For example, privatizing SS was a good idea to people who owned hedge funds and Republican people who hung out with those people. Other harmful ideas, too, like Ending Welfare as We Know it...
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Hilariously tone deaf from the Times Board of Ed. Hillary has to prove she won on the up and up from the newsaper, formerly of record (abdicated), that chose to assign Amy Chozick to a dedicated Hillary Clinton beat in February, 2013, as she LEFT government service, and 27 months BEFORE she was a declared candidate. They finally got around to assigning Yamiche Alcindor to a Bernie Sanders beat in March, 2016, ten months AFTER he declared a candidacy, after months of the Times ignoring yuge rallies. This from the paper that endorsed Ms. Clinton not based on her superiority over her (then two) Democratic opponents, but based on the claim that she would be better than any of the Republicant choices. This from the paper that eventually was forced, kicking and screaming, to cover Sanders, but never once gave the time of day to Jim Webb, Lincoln Chaffee or Martin O'Malley?
This from the paper that used anonymously sourced front page articles to promote two candidacies that never were, a Joe Biden challenge to Hillary in the Democratic primary, a supposed expression of Beau Biden's dying wish, anonymously stated in a MoDo opinion piece, and cited in the front page news piece as a source by Amy Chozick? Then there was the Flying Dutchman Third Party candidacy of Mikey Bloomberg, also anonymously sourced on the front page.
So after 3 years of journalistic malpractice by the Times, NOW it's incumbent on Hillary to prove to Sanders supporters that she won fair and square? Laughable!
This from the paper that used anonymously sourced front page articles to promote two candidacies that never were, a Joe Biden challenge to Hillary in the Democratic primary, a supposed expression of Beau Biden's dying wish, anonymously stated in a MoDo opinion piece, and cited in the front page news piece as a source by Amy Chozick? Then there was the Flying Dutchman Third Party candidacy of Mikey Bloomberg, also anonymously sourced on the front page.
So after 3 years of journalistic malpractice by the Times, NOW it's incumbent on Hillary to prove to Sanders supporters that she won fair and square? Laughable!
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Here's a thought exercise for you: Why is it that the Democratic race was reduced to a bicker fest between a smug say-anything-to-win self-entitled hypocrite and a cantankerous broken-record pie-in-the-sky outsider? Where is the pipeline that the DNC should have been developing all these years, so that the Dem's debate stage might have been at least half as crowded (but with quality and reason) as the clown car we had to endure on the other side? I was for Hillary early in 2008 and then became disgusted with her antics against Obama that year. But I won't hold my nose and vote for her five months from now, nor will I vote for anyone else. Let the Clinton cheerleaders delude themselves into more of the same. (And I say this as someone who's volunteered every election going all the way back to Mondale-Ferraro.)
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It says something to declare the fundamental rights enjoyed by much of the developed world, including healthcare and higher education, to be pie in the sky when it comes to the United States.
Rather than not voting, it might be better to vote according to your principles, to show support. I plan to write in either Bernie or Jill Stein.
The Clintons will serve the Clintons and their big money backers very well. As for the rest of us, enjoy the rhetoric because that's all we're getting. Trump wind or Clintonian triangulation, the outcomes will be similar … more wars abroad, hence greater inequality at home.
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I'm pretty sure some fact searcher will be watching the Clinton Foundation's bottom line over the next few years.
I find the blindness and arrogance of establishment democrats scary. They seem to think that Hillary is a good candidate. Only Elizabeth Warren as VP can salvage this doomed exploit.
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Sadly, I wonder if a two-woman ticket wouldn't expose a little more misogyny on the left than we thought there might be.
The VP spot would be unwise for Warren. The Vice Presidency is where people go to die.
To ScottW:
Can you provide an example of actions on the part of Hilary Clinton that show that she would be good news for the special interests? I don't know of any. And if you don't have any explicit examples please stop repeating your laments.
Can you provide an example of actions on the part of Hilary Clinton that show that she would be good news for the special interests? I don't know of any. And if you don't have any explicit examples please stop repeating your laments.
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Kagni: The fact that she "enjoys" a mutual admiration relationship with Henry Kissinger, that her foreign policy supporters incled neocons Max Boot and Robert Kagan, that Charles Koch has called her the best candidate, and, most of all, that even having seen the abysmal failure of forcing regime change on Iraq (with her support), she, unsuitably unchastened, became the foremost proponent of regime change in Libya in the Obama administration speaks not only to a reflexive warhawk nature, but a tempered steel inability to learn from her mistakes. About Qaddafi, she crowed "We came, we saw, he died." President Obama has called Libya his greatest foreign policy regret, a position she evidently doesn't share, even if regime change once again yielded a failed state with a disturbing ISIS presence, like Iraq. As for her Qaddafi sound bite, does she fail to realize that forcing regime change on a sovereign nation by an outside country makes her (assuming her ascendancy to the Presidency) as much fair game as she saw Qaddafi as being?
The special interest she favors most? The military industrial complex. Specific enough for you, @kagni?
The special interest she favors most? The military industrial complex. Specific enough for you, @kagni?
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There are two options for president. Now go vote for the lesser of two evils.
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I guess we have to evaluate the relative evil of two lessers.
Been there. Done that. Problem is, voting for the lesser of two evils hasn't moved the plight of working Americans forward at all.
As a woman, I wish I were excited by her win, but I am not. The New York Times is right when it says that we have the perception that she didn't arrive where she is fairly. the NYT and all the media has helped her a lot first they blacked out the coverage of Bernie Sanders for much of the year, second they let her go away with murder. Regardless, for me Hillary represents the past. All my friends and I will vote for Donald Trump. He is the exciting future.
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"Donald Trump. He is the exciting future. "
You are kidding right? Climate Changed denied. No $15 min wage. Pro Choice gone. Conservative Court appointments. Is this the excitement you crave?
You are kidding right? Climate Changed denied. No $15 min wage. Pro Choice gone. Conservative Court appointments. Is this the excitement you crave?
She needs to release the transcripts. She'll never get my vote until she does.
I don't trust her. I won't vote for trump, but unless we see those transcripts, I won't vote for her, either.
I don't trust her. I won't vote for trump, but unless we see those transcripts, I won't vote for her, either.
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I'm a HIllary supporter and I'm hoping she'll choose Bernie as her running mate, to make sure that his core issues are out front and that the Democrats are a united force against the Trump.
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Certainly an option to consider. Either that or an influential position in her administration. Perhaps, Pres. Obama can be a calming and rational broker, starting with his Thurs. meeting with Sanders.
Here now you urge Hillary to reveal what she said in those speeches to Wall Street; you urge her to acknowledge that her use of a private email server was wrong; you acknowledge that she isn't trustworthy; so tell us again: Why did you so blindly support her? Why did you all but sabotage Bernie's campaign when it is HIS philosophy that's much more closely aligned with the philosophy of the NY Times I used to remember? Was it really only ever about getting the first woman nominated, and eventually elected to the WH? I could almost forgive you if that's the case, but then again there were better women to choose from
Well, you got what you wanted, now let's see what happens. As the old saying goes: "Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it".
Well, you got what you wanted, now let's see what happens. As the old saying goes: "Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it".
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This editorial completely misses the argument as though Bernie supporters will simply have a difficult time switching horses. Bernie supporters are ardent because he is a principled candidate while she is not. She has a long and storied career of being involved in scandal and only holds one thing dear: power. She is dangerous and has proven to be short sighted with foreign policy as well as financial regulation while Bernie has been prescient.
It is insulting that the NYTimes continues to push Hillary as inevitable even though her success will largely be due to people not understanding that support for her is generally voting against their interests.
Start getting used to saying "President Trump". God help us all.
It is insulting that the NYTimes continues to push Hillary as inevitable even though her success will largely be due to people not understanding that support for her is generally voting against their interests.
Start getting used to saying "President Trump". God help us all.
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The same people who claim higher principles and greater morality for Bernie Sanders are quite willing to see Donald Trump win the White House. Some are anticipating his triumph with glee. Some will actively work to make it happen.
That is neither principled nor moral.
That is neither principled nor moral.
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Bernie needs to concede to Hillary the Democratic nomination.
If he and his supporters really care about their "revolution," then they need to get their butts in gear and elect a Congress that will push that agenda.
Hillary can work with Bernistas in Congress.
What would be a shame would be to put Hillary in the White House only to contend with a loony Republican-controlled Congress.
And it's not too early to start working on the 2018 midterm congressional elections. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama would have accomplished much more if Democrats had not been routed in 1994 and 2010. Have Republican legislators brought any worthy ideas to the table in the last 60 years?
So, if Bernie and his supporters are serious about their revolution, they need to get to work on congressional elections.
If he and his supporters really care about their "revolution," then they need to get their butts in gear and elect a Congress that will push that agenda.
Hillary can work with Bernistas in Congress.
What would be a shame would be to put Hillary in the White House only to contend with a loony Republican-controlled Congress.
And it's not too early to start working on the 2018 midterm congressional elections. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama would have accomplished much more if Democrats had not been routed in 1994 and 2010. Have Republican legislators brought any worthy ideas to the table in the last 60 years?
So, if Bernie and his supporters are serious about their revolution, they need to get to work on congressional elections.
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We have been working for a new House and Senate idiot.
So the Democrats can we take the Senate and the majority leader can be the man who for years was the most vociferous supporter of the tax breaks for hedge fund managers, Chuck Schumer.
The Democrats remind me of that famous New Yorker cartoon where the mother is trying to convince her child that the spinach she wishes him to eat is something else and he responds "I say it's spinach and I say to hell with it."
We keep hearing that Clinton and the Senate Democrats are for the poor and the struggling working and middle classes and that they are progressives opposed to the wealthy controlling the country but when you look at the evidence they are clearly always on the side of the 1%.
The Democrats remind me of that famous New Yorker cartoon where the mother is trying to convince her child that the spinach she wishes him to eat is something else and he responds "I say it's spinach and I say to hell with it."
We keep hearing that Clinton and the Senate Democrats are for the poor and the struggling working and middle classes and that they are progressives opposed to the wealthy controlling the country but when you look at the evidence they are clearly always on the side of the 1%.
I love this country. I love the way people fight with one another over principle. It's something that works for us. But when I see people punching below the belt and not fighting fair, that's when I know we need to talk, to calm down and talk. Hillary Clinton won way over 3 million more votes than Sanders. Almost every media outlet has shown the charts over and over, that even if you took Bernie's constant complaining about this rule or that rule, Clinton would still be the nominee. She won it no matter how you spin the math.
So it doesn't matter if you think she is a weak candidate. It doesn't matter if you don't like her in the least. She won the primary season this go round and is going to be the Democratic Party's nominee. Vote for her, vote against her, don't vote at all. Your right, absolutely; make your own choice. But don't try to tell us that she shouldn't be the nominee. This is not a dictatorship. At least not yet.
So it doesn't matter if you think she is a weak candidate. It doesn't matter if you don't like her in the least. She won the primary season this go round and is going to be the Democratic Party's nominee. Vote for her, vote against her, don't vote at all. Your right, absolutely; make your own choice. But don't try to tell us that she shouldn't be the nominee. This is not a dictatorship. At least not yet.
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That's right, it's not a dictatorship yet, and if we want to continue to talk about Clinton in hopes of people hearing the truth about her appalling record (verifiable), then, well, there's still a bit of free speech left in the country and in the press. We're not telling you not to vote for her. We're expressing our feelings and our analysis of why she is a poor choice. It's part of political campaigning. If you love this country, you should know it was born on freedom of speech.
"...perhaps further convincing some that the party’s leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice.
This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment, but Mrs. Clinton must address it."
Had the New York Times not adapted this opinion as part of its reporting policy for the primary, maybe more people would actually respect this opinion now. Since the very beginning going back to the Ready for Hillary PAC (does anyone believe she had nothing to do with that PAC's creation?), all the powers-that-be and the media have supported Hillary. Please don't try to act objective now.
I'm not voting for Trump, but if Hillary is in a situation where she needs my vote in New York, she'll clearly be on her way to losing.
This isn’t an accurate or fair assessment, but Mrs. Clinton must address it."
Had the New York Times not adapted this opinion as part of its reporting policy for the primary, maybe more people would actually respect this opinion now. Since the very beginning going back to the Ready for Hillary PAC (does anyone believe she had nothing to do with that PAC's creation?), all the powers-that-be and the media have supported Hillary. Please don't try to act objective now.
I'm not voting for Trump, but if Hillary is in a situation where she needs my vote in New York, she'll clearly be on her way to losing.
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I hope you are very old, because if you are young, you are going to have many, many years to regret your decision. A lifetime.
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The game is over. Bernie Sanders out up an astounding fight, but Hillary Clinton won. This is her moment, and she deserves it.
Going into the convention, we now need to come together and not only battle Donald Trump, but also the do-nothing Congress that has so dishonored this country for too long. In order to do that, Hillary will need to listen to those who fought hard for Bernie Sanders and provide more space on her platform for them than she may be comfortable with. However, a little pain now will pay huge dividends in November, when she will need all hands on deck to flip the Senate and carve into the Republican majority in the House. For make no mistake: Congress is where the real battle will be fought this election cycle. The Republican money machine is already gearing up to pull out all stops to retain the Senate majority. We need to build an overpowering and unified wave to take it back.
Going into the convention, we now need to come together and not only battle Donald Trump, but also the do-nothing Congress that has so dishonored this country for too long. In order to do that, Hillary will need to listen to those who fought hard for Bernie Sanders and provide more space on her platform for them than she may be comfortable with. However, a little pain now will pay huge dividends in November, when she will need all hands on deck to flip the Senate and carve into the Republican majority in the House. For make no mistake: Congress is where the real battle will be fought this election cycle. The Republican money machine is already gearing up to pull out all stops to retain the Senate majority. We need to build an overpowering and unified wave to take it back.
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And how, pray tell, can you convince any one that this was not rigged from the start, when she was gifted 500+ bonus points at the beginning of the race, and tonite she has 1898 points, she needs 2383 to win. And how does she win? with those 500+ bonus points.
Now go ahead, do your best top convince me this was not rigged?
Now go ahead, do your best top convince me this was not rigged?
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She won, even if you don't count the 500+ points, as you call them.
Now, if she had only an edge given by those points, you'd have a good case. At this point, the only case is in your head.
Don't help Trump win.
Now, if she had only an edge given by those points, you'd have a good case. At this point, the only case is in your head.
Don't help Trump win.
PC crowd is happy, banksters are happy, Wall St is happy. Progressives? Not so much, let's see those speeches. The fact the opposition is nominating an ogre is Clinton's biggest advantage. A respectable republican opponent would beat her.
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From a Sanders supporter. I question the lede of this article, that Hillary must somehow prove her Stage 1 victory legitimate. I mean, what's left to contest this?
My guy didn't win. And I hope Hillary does take the message my friends and I have sent to heart - I think it's the path to the White House.
But you can't quibble with the legitimacy of her victory. In the primary season drawing to a close, Hillary won by a large margin in:
Popular vote
Pledged non-super delegates
State count
Super delegates
Total delegates (obviously)
Mazel Tov, HIllary. Make us proud. The alternative is kinda frightening.
My guy didn't win. And I hope Hillary does take the message my friends and I have sent to heart - I think it's the path to the White House.
But you can't quibble with the legitimacy of her victory. In the primary season drawing to a close, Hillary won by a large margin in:
Popular vote
Pledged non-super delegates
State count
Super delegates
Total delegates (obviously)
Mazel Tov, HIllary. Make us proud. The alternative is kinda frightening.
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The "overall fitness to lead" does not include committing multiple felonies while compromising our nation's security. What a shame the first woman candidate had to be the next Richard Nixon.
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Where was your outrage when Libby wasn't charged with outing Valerie Plame, by which crime a dozen of our foreign agents were revealed and killed??
Until somebody can prove than anything on her email server actually harmed this country and its citizens, it's a baseless witchhunt politically motivated, conducted by the GOP, while the same email issue would apply to dozens of former state department heads (many Republicans).
Baseless charges have been thrown at HC for decades, hoping something will stick. You're swayed by that?
Until somebody can prove than anything on her email server actually harmed this country and its citizens, it's a baseless witchhunt politically motivated, conducted by the GOP, while the same email issue would apply to dozens of former state department heads (many Republicans).
Baseless charges have been thrown at HC for decades, hoping something will stick. You're swayed by that?
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Although I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, she won millions of more votes in the primaries than Sanders did. Ignore the delegate count. The voters chose her as the nominee, fair and square.
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People tend to believe what they want to believe. If they want to believe that somehow the election was stolen...they will find a way to believe that. Hillary has 3 million more votes than Bernie going into today's primaries. Do the votes for Hillary not count?
Hillary got those votes despite all the negative press. Bernie has been treated with kid gloves by the media...and by the republicans. Hillary would have won if all the primaries were open...even with the Trump supporters voting for Bernie just to make it difficult for Hillary. From an NBCnews.com article on the W. Virginia primary exit polls, "In fact, 39 percent of Sanders voters said they would vote for Trump over Sanders in the fall. For Clinton, nine percent of her voters say they plan to come out for Trump in the general election." Okay....so much for open primaries.
You do realize that opening primaries would allow for all kinds of dirty tricks from both parties...and not just for Presidential candidates, but all offices. Bad idea. Bad.
Hillary got those votes despite all the negative press. Bernie has been treated with kid gloves by the media...and by the republicans. Hillary would have won if all the primaries were open...even with the Trump supporters voting for Bernie just to make it difficult for Hillary. From an NBCnews.com article on the W. Virginia primary exit polls, "In fact, 39 percent of Sanders voters said they would vote for Trump over Sanders in the fall. For Clinton, nine percent of her voters say they plan to come out for Trump in the general election." Okay....so much for open primaries.
You do realize that opening primaries would allow for all kinds of dirty tricks from both parties...and not just for Presidential candidates, but all offices. Bad idea. Bad.
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Sanders treat with kid gloves by the press!
Obviously you haven't been reading all those articles and columns in The Times stating that his proposals like guaranteed healthcare for all were too expensive to even consider. Somehow none ever bothered to explain how all the other industrialized countries can provide this but the wealthiest country in the history of the world somehow can't.
Obviously you haven't been reading all those articles and columns in The Times stating that his proposals like guaranteed healthcare for all were too expensive to even consider. Somehow none ever bothered to explain how all the other industrialized countries can provide this but the wealthiest country in the history of the world somehow can't.
Hooray! Am so supportive of Hillary and admire her perseverance. Women leaders unite! What a difference we can make.
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Cute how this paper pretends it had nothing to do with the now-hardened bitterness felt by so many Sanders supporters -- a bitterness stoked, again and again, by a slavish regurgitation of Clinton's relentless doublespeak and stolid lies. NYX' self-preservation throughout the campaign was as transparent as it was shameless; NYX has contributed, unflinchingly, to the deep mistrust the progressive left feels of HRC and the machinery of corporate inertia that surrounds and protects her.
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All you have learned is that the New York Times is definitely a full-fledged member of what is known as "the establishment". Maybe you always have, but from now on we have to read this paper with a grain of salt.
This country barely survived the Bush dynasty. A Clinton dynasty won't be much better.
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NYT stays with the imagined narrative (read "party line"): Sanders' supporters are not largely comprised of the youngest generation of voters. This has always been a passive/aggressive element of the party line.
It serves well and economically. While insulting the intelligence of young people--as in, "if they had an understanding of the real world, they wouldn't be voting for him"--while at the same time intimating that Sanders is childish and idealism is a product of ignorance.
You've hammered the nail flush with the surface. Stop already. The noise is deafening.
It serves well and economically. While insulting the intelligence of young people--as in, "if they had an understanding of the real world, they wouldn't be voting for him"--while at the same time intimating that Sanders is childish and idealism is a product of ignorance.
You've hammered the nail flush with the surface. Stop already. The noise is deafening.
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As a Sanders voter firmly in my 30s (and who has been voting as long as I've been eligible, thus further denting the narrative), I've enjoyed pointing out that my 68-year-old mother is probably the person I know who was most excited by his campaign. But I guess she's just another Bro, or so the story will be told, unfortunately.
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I support Bernie Sanders and will not vote for Hillary Clinton; doing so would make no sense. To support one is to oppose the other. Like Mr. Sanders, I think the too big to fail banks Mrs. Clinton was paid huge sums of money to address in secret should be broken up. She disagrees. Mr. Sanders and I believe that fracking should be banned. She doesn't. I'm with Bernie Sanders in the belief that, like all western democracies, we should have single payer health care. Mrs. Clinton believes in the for-profit system we have now. I believe, like Mr. Sanders, that we should forgive student loan debt and make state and local colleges free. She doesn't. Bernie Sanders and I oppose free trade agreements. Mrs. Clinton has campaigned for all of them except TPP and her opposition to that is hardly credible. She voted for the war in Iraq - a vote that's consistent with her current foreign policy views. Bernie Sanders and I opposed that war and all the regime change strategies Mrs. Clinton has supported and continues to support. Mr. Sanders and I want a $15 an hour minimum wage, Mrs. Clinton doesn't. I agree with Mr. Sanders that climate change is our biggest national security threat; Mrs. Clinton finds our position laughable. She supported Goldwater and has served on Walmart's and Monsanto's boards of directors. Bernie Sanders has a lifelong record of serving working people. There's more - much more - but I think I've made myself clear.
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You say "To support one is to oppose the other. " - what did you think in 2008 when Hilary Clinton supporters voted for Obama?
Please reconsider.
Please reconsider.
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Goldwater for President? Really? That's a new one.
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One thing in this article is true. The votes have not been tallied.
The rest of the article sounds like "The Charge of the Light Brigade".
We still have time to send a different set of orders.
We Democrats do not have to go down in ruin.
The votes are tallied at the convention. Let's hope the DNC decides the White House is better under any Democrat than Trump.
There is no question Sanders is the stronger candidate in the general.
HRC supporters don't disagree, but insist it doesn't matter because HRC is going to squeak out a win in the primary.
The Super delegate system was put into place for exactly this type of contingency.
A weak primary candidate that will win the primary but lose the general.
There she is. HRC. The classic losing candidate after a successful two term president of the same party.
Bernie Sanders the winning candidate to a new movement of progressiveness that will bring this country into the future.
The rest of the article sounds like "The Charge of the Light Brigade".
We still have time to send a different set of orders.
We Democrats do not have to go down in ruin.
The votes are tallied at the convention. Let's hope the DNC decides the White House is better under any Democrat than Trump.
There is no question Sanders is the stronger candidate in the general.
HRC supporters don't disagree, but insist it doesn't matter because HRC is going to squeak out a win in the primary.
The Super delegate system was put into place for exactly this type of contingency.
A weak primary candidate that will win the primary but lose the general.
There she is. HRC. The classic losing candidate after a successful two term president of the same party.
Bernie Sanders the winning candidate to a new movement of progressiveness that will bring this country into the future.
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I'm not sure why you need to convince us Bernie supporters that she won "fairly". At least for all most of the independents supporting Bernie, we're here because we absolutely did not want HRC as the nominee. Most of us went way left to support Bernie, what possible reason do you believe that we will ever support her? So, I say to the Democratic Party, congratulations, you've elected Donald Trump by selecting the most divisive figure possible as your nominee. Too many of Bernie's supporters simply will not support HRC under any circumstances. This is true whether or not HRC won "fairly".
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Clinton got 3 million more votes than Sanders, and that's why she's the nominee. Surely his supporters can comprehend basic math...?
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It's not that Clinton did or didn't win the nomination fairly (as your header for this article ponders) it's that us Sanders supporters in general do not like Hillary Clinton or how she goes about her business.
To me it's not a choice of two different kinds of apple. It's a choice between an honest and hardworking politician who is trying to change a system that, for lack of a better phrase, is rigged and a politician that epitomizes the system that supports the rigging.
You pundits still don't get it.
To me it's not a choice of two different kinds of apple. It's a choice between an honest and hardworking politician who is trying to change a system that, for lack of a better phrase, is rigged and a politician that epitomizes the system that supports the rigging.
You pundits still don't get it.
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She doesn't need to "convince" anybody she won fairly.
Those who think she somehow didn't need to present some actual evidence.
Those who think she somehow didn't need to present some actual evidence.
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It is indeed an historic event. We have on the one hand, a candidate with no policy knowledge and no political savvy. On the other hand, we have a woman benefiting from the sensibilities of a populace that finally seems to grasp that gender is unimportant when choosing a president. Two steps back, one step forward? Hillary Clinton is not the caricature presented by the media. Let's hope she has an opportunity to tell her story.
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I suggest the Hillary come up with some symbols to push back.
She can form a "W" sign for woman, by brings both hands together with "V" signs.
She can form a ZERO sign with fingers and thumb to suggest that Trump has no experience in government.
Hillary is (W)oman
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Trump is a ZERO
She can form a "W" sign for woman, by brings both hands together with "V" signs.
She can form a ZERO sign with fingers and thumb to suggest that Trump has no experience in government.
Hillary is (W)oman
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Trump is a ZERO
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Imagine! A woman from the 1% wins the nomination! My, my, my! How things have changed! How history is being made today!
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Congratulations to the Times. Job well done.
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So, the woman is forced to prove she earned her laurels. Where have I heard that before?
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I am delighted that Secretary Clinton is crossing the pledged delegate threshold to become the presumptive nominee. I'm proud to be a Democrat. Clinton has dedicated her career to public service and she will be an inclusive, progressive, intelligent President. I am so excited for the future.
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In this case, the superdelegates are simply backing the will of the people who have chosen an extraordinarily well prepared and moderate candidate who happens to be a woman. But if there would ever be a reason to maintain the superdelegates to have the power to overturn the will of the people, Donald Trump is an example of what can happen on rare occasions. A political party leadership should have the possibility of rejecting a candidate who is willing to incite violence against his or her opponents.
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In a "contest of ideas and overall fitness to lead," Hillary Clinton's long record and doting allegiance to empire and oligarchy, from Henry Kissinger and the Pentagon to Lloyd Blankfein and Wall Street, inspires only revulsion from all except the 1%.
I will remain engaged as I have been since first voting for George McGovern. What the "millions of newly engaged young people" will do I cannot say.
But I must say to them: if you want it solved, get involved, and support what you believe in, not what you fear. In other words, do not accept or settle for the lesser of two evils. Vote FOR and not against.
So, FYI y'all, neither Clinton nor Trump are acceptible.
It looks like I'll be voting for the Green Party real alternative and true direction: Jill Stein.
I will remain engaged as I have been since first voting for George McGovern. What the "millions of newly engaged young people" will do I cannot say.
But I must say to them: if you want it solved, get involved, and support what you believe in, not what you fear. In other words, do not accept or settle for the lesser of two evils. Vote FOR and not against.
So, FYI y'all, neither Clinton nor Trump are acceptible.
It looks like I'll be voting for the Green Party real alternative and true direction: Jill Stein.
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Thanks to Erik and the Green Party. Your candidates are never a distraction, and always instrumental in getting intelligent, morally pure presidents elected.
There were no unblemished candidates available at any point in this election. There were numerous candidates with frighteningly little knowledge or sensible perspective. We must have progressive idealism in order to reverse inequality but we cannot and should not declare war on the business community. Trying to analyze the candidates on the antiquated scale of ideology will inevitably lead to frustration. We must initiate a new era of thinking that moves from “redistribution” to “keeping American the land of Opportunity” – prosperity that is built on the foundation of healthy, educated, stable society. Young people sense this trend.
Hillary Clinton is certainly imperfect ( so were Jefferson and the Roosevelts) but her knowledge and consistent pressure to move the country toward both prosperity and fairness is currently unmatched on our current political scene.
I can’t help but remember the anonymous “science quiz” given to all the Republican and Democratic candidates very early in the process. Hillary received a grade of 94( highest in class) ; the nearest Repub. was Jeb Bush at 65 but most were down in the depths. The professors scoring the quiz made an anonymous comment about one of the candidates: “The knowledge displayed by this candidate would embarrass a kindergartener”. I’ll take the leader of the class.
Hillary Clinton is certainly imperfect ( so were Jefferson and the Roosevelts) but her knowledge and consistent pressure to move the country toward both prosperity and fairness is currently unmatched on our current political scene.
I can’t help but remember the anonymous “science quiz” given to all the Republican and Democratic candidates very early in the process. Hillary received a grade of 94( highest in class) ; the nearest Repub. was Jeb Bush at 65 but most were down in the depths. The professors scoring the quiz made an anonymous comment about one of the candidates: “The knowledge displayed by this candidate would embarrass a kindergartener”. I’ll take the leader of the class.
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It may be anecdotal, but common reports of ham handed tactics by Clinton partisans at local, county and state meetings is not going to make unity easy. Most of these newly active people are independents and not moved by calls for party loyalty.
The media's conduct has been appalling:
Supposed journalists have repeatedly hammered the meme that there really is very little separating Clinton & Sanders despite facts being otherwise. Add in a complete failure to properly cover early major policy speeches in New York (Wall Street) & Washington (Georgetown) by virtually every news organization the covered every idle utterance of Donald Trump. Add in the fact that the term 'Democratic Front Runner' was welded on every story before a single person had cast a vote. Combined, these make it look like the mainstream media was determined to cram Hillary Clinton down our throat.
The bottom line is this:
Voters below 45 favor Bernie over Hillary by an overwhelming margin and the Clinton partisans skew very old. If the Democrats want a future, they had better make nice with these newly active voters.
The Democratic Leadership tried to coronate Ms Clinton before the voters had a chance to vote- not a good image for the supposed People's party.
Almost all Political Journalists have repeatedly misrepresented the Sanders campaign which is as much about organizing the left as electing a candidate. They have blown a chance to engage a whole generation of readers who now distrust them.
The media's conduct has been appalling:
Supposed journalists have repeatedly hammered the meme that there really is very little separating Clinton & Sanders despite facts being otherwise. Add in a complete failure to properly cover early major policy speeches in New York (Wall Street) & Washington (Georgetown) by virtually every news organization the covered every idle utterance of Donald Trump. Add in the fact that the term 'Democratic Front Runner' was welded on every story before a single person had cast a vote. Combined, these make it look like the mainstream media was determined to cram Hillary Clinton down our throat.
The bottom line is this:
Voters below 45 favor Bernie over Hillary by an overwhelming margin and the Clinton partisans skew very old. If the Democrats want a future, they had better make nice with these newly active voters.
The Democratic Leadership tried to coronate Ms Clinton before the voters had a chance to vote- not a good image for the supposed People's party.
Almost all Political Journalists have repeatedly misrepresented the Sanders campaign which is as much about organizing the left as electing a candidate. They have blown a chance to engage a whole generation of readers who now distrust them.
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Agreed with Ralph, Hillary has no obligation to prove anything to Bernie's supporters, including me. She won by the same rules Bernie followed while losing a very long primary season, the basic principles of which were established by the McGovern revolution 1968 to 1972. Those were put in place to create exactly the kind of citizen access to the political process Sanders people want to see put in place today. There's been a lot of evolution over the past 44 years but that notion of popular access has never changed. Contrast that with what's happened to the "other" party and be glad we have a rational candidate for whom we can actually vote.
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Congrats to clinton and her supporters for winning the nomination. This article is spot on, in order to be elected, she needs to court sanders and progressive voters. The only way for her to do this is by continuing to promote progressive policies (its a little worrisome that she is now also trying to court moderate republicans). She also needs to simply own up to her mistakes, be honest, acknowledge the system needs to be changed, that there are biases, problems, etc. within our political and economic system and state that she is determined to work to change them.
Sanders supporters are looking for a new type of politics, one that seeks greater opportunity for all, which doesn't only seek the favor of top donors and elites, and one that is open about one's faults. If clinton does this she will win over sanders supporters. However, if she continues to deny, blame others, move to the right, and have pundits call others stupid or what have you, she is going to lose progressives, millennials, and possibly the election.
Sanders supporters are looking for a new type of politics, one that seeks greater opportunity for all, which doesn't only seek the favor of top donors and elites, and one that is open about one's faults. If clinton does this she will win over sanders supporters. However, if she continues to deny, blame others, move to the right, and have pundits call others stupid or what have you, she is going to lose progressives, millennials, and possibly the election.
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Would you believe Clinton even if she professed dedication to all your points today? I doubt many would as it comes across as overly calculated and therefore dishonest and untrustworthy. That's not faux news; that's fact. Perception matters.
At best, Clinton can play the slow game and move the needle a bit. I think we'll find her more, rather than less, generic as time goes on. She'll pretend to be everything to everyone. The actual outcomes are completely dependent on future circumstances though.
Not exactly a rallying cry to the banner is it? She might landslide in the general but I'd say the election is a coin toss right now. Thanks Dems...
At best, Clinton can play the slow game and move the needle a bit. I think we'll find her more, rather than less, generic as time goes on. She'll pretend to be everything to everyone. The actual outcomes are completely dependent on future circumstances though.
Not exactly a rallying cry to the banner is it? She might landslide in the general but I'd say the election is a coin toss right now. Thanks Dems...
We shall see just long the elation and mindless celebratory cheers lasts. Soon the mood and the dynamics of this election may very well be thrown in total disarray when the FBI announces the results of the formal investigations into the questionable, shadowy activities Hillary Clinton was conducting on behalf of the Clinton Foundation during her tenure as Secretary of State.
Scores of seasoned, career agents who are neither politically motivated nor constrained have been working around the clock on this case (a case that is far more serious than a matter of some missing emails and classified information on a "private" server.)
History will certainly be made if and when she (and Bill) are indicted on any number of charges and violations stemming from this investigation; the first presidential nominee of a major political party to face criminal charges.
If FBI does their job and justice is served, Hilary and Bill will end up where they belong: long-term residents of Club Fed.
Drink up!
http://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-201...
Scores of seasoned, career agents who are neither politically motivated nor constrained have been working around the clock on this case (a case that is far more serious than a matter of some missing emails and classified information on a "private" server.)
History will certainly be made if and when she (and Bill) are indicted on any number of charges and violations stemming from this investigation; the first presidential nominee of a major political party to face criminal charges.
If FBI does their job and justice is served, Hilary and Bill will end up where they belong: long-term residents of Club Fed.
Drink up!
http://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-201...
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Can you articulate what you think her intentional, malicious crime might be? Your comment is high on hyperbole and low on context.
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RM: They will never do a thing to any of the Clinton's. The lying, cheating and stealing will continue on and this paper along with the rest of the main stream media will feed hate to any Republican running for office. Trump has just made it so much easier for them. Even if they have to take out of context what he said they will and the uninformed will believe it all. Hillary believes she is above any reckoning and what's worse is she's probably right.
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Trump is an abject nefarious 5 year old demagogue. Clinton is a lying neoliberal who would is in favor of business as usual, the kind of business promoting inequality and poverty--fertile ground for demagogues. Americans, like many others from Europe or Latin America, are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Yet there is a way out for Sandernistas: strategic voting: voting for Jill Stein in the states where Trump has no chance, like NY and California, but voting for the evil they know, Clinton, vs the evil they don't and could become even worse, Trump, in all other places. After all the election in the US is made up of 50 races. Clinton then would be elected with a lot of progressive baggage.
And after the election the huge dissatisfaction and resentment of ordinary Americans will go on producing political effects. It would be better if these effects had a Bernie accent rather than a Trump one. Better for the US, better for the world.
Yet there is a way out for Sandernistas: strategic voting: voting for Jill Stein in the states where Trump has no chance, like NY and California, but voting for the evil they know, Clinton, vs the evil they don't and could become even worse, Trump, in all other places. After all the election in the US is made up of 50 races. Clinton then would be elected with a lot of progressive baggage.
And after the election the huge dissatisfaction and resentment of ordinary Americans will go on producing political effects. It would be better if these effects had a Bernie accent rather than a Trump one. Better for the US, better for the world.
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Um, it is an exceedingly accurate and fair assessment to state that the DNC has basically force-fed the Clinton candidacy on democratic and independent voters, undermining or outright suppressing any challengers, using neo-Mccarthyist lies, misleading information (as well as some anti-semitism) to vilify Sanders and his supporters, then relying on major media outlets to fawn over her without expecting her to even hold regular press conferences! The Times may be ready to bask in the "historic" nature of a former First Lady now being a presidential nominee, but the reality is your newspaper didn't so it's job of properly in informing voters on the implications of nebulous record and her proclivity towards hyper-secrecy, and the effect that has on a free democracy. She may have a mildly better personality than Trump but she still took campaign donations from him, she still shares a tax dodge address with him and she still is going to be in a compromised position in November when she asks voters to ignore her email debacle and cast votes for her expecting social change. Sorry I'm not feeling it.
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If it's "exceedingly accurate and fair assessment to state" that the DNC and Clinton have suppressed votes with "Mccarthyist lies", why don't you provide some examples and specific context? Shouldn't that be "exceedingly" easy?
It's impossible to read pieces like this one about Hillary (or hear pundits discussing her on TV) without also having to hear (for the umpteenth time) how monumentally disliked she supposedly is. It's becoming like a commercial that keeps repeating itself so as to embed it's product into our brain so we eventually and automatically buy what it's selling. It becomes like a hypnotic suggestion. And because I personally not only respect Hillary's intellect and ideas but I also like her personally and always have (and apparently many others do to considering her triumph) I'm questioning whether the huge purported dislike is mostly real or if those who feel that way, if they truly do, have merely succumbed to the repeated though unintentional suggestion. It's like creating a bandwagon affect that people will hop onto just to belong. Thus, I would hope that as this monumentally serious race moves forward the media would give equal time to reporting the many and substantial likes and two thumbs up for Hillary Clinton.
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You can't erase the facts of her past. They are facts. And they are there. Not smears. Facts. Go read.
Mrs. Clinton played by he rules, fought hard, and won the primaries, now on to winning the election with a landslide victory and the largest mandate in history to recast this government and correct the economic, justice, energy, environment, trade, education and health care deficiencies that have been building for 40 years. It will not be easy to address the distribution of incomes and jobs in an economy that continues to only barely grow. We must to better. A huge mandate will be required and I strongly believe it can be achieved if the convention has the wisdom to pull Senator Bernie Sanders to the ticket. They are a natural team. They have known each other for 25 years and have the potential to be the greatest government team. Senator Sanders came out of nowhere and his natural candor, honesty, and character and principles will carry not only the Dems but bring in the Independents and probably some Republicans. These two have the potential to make the world a much better place and knock-off this human desire for war.
She SHOULD NOT release speeches to the Wall Street bundlers, but she should admit that the way she approached this campaign fund raising was wrong and she has seen the light through Senator Sanders. Both should work to restore integrity to the American Democracy.
I look forward to an editorial that will recognize the commitment of these two great public servants and let's all work to get the turn-out and make the American future better.
She SHOULD NOT release speeches to the Wall Street bundlers, but she should admit that the way she approached this campaign fund raising was wrong and she has seen the light through Senator Sanders. Both should work to restore integrity to the American Democracy.
I look forward to an editorial that will recognize the commitment of these two great public servants and let's all work to get the turn-out and make the American future better.
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Why SHOULD she NOT? Why should she not be transparent to the American people? Because the other side isn't? That, my friend, is the core philosophy of establishment politics.
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James, if you, like many others, would simply go to Hillary's platform, you would see that she has already proposed much of what you want. For example:
"Overturn Citizens United. Hillary will appoint Supreme Court justices who value the right to vote over the right of billionaires to buy elections. She’ll push for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United in order to restore the role of everyday voters in elections.
End secret, unaccountable money in politics. Hillary will push for legislation to require outside groups to publicly disclose significant political spending. And until Congress acts, she'll sign an executive order requiring federal government contractors to do the same. Hillary will also promote an SEC rule requiring publicly traded companies to disclose political spending to shareholders.
Amplify the voices of everyday Americans. Hillary will establish a small-donor matching system for presidential and congressional elections to incentivize small donors to participate in elections, and encourage candidates to spend more time engaging a representative cross-section of voters."
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/
"Overturn Citizens United. Hillary will appoint Supreme Court justices who value the right to vote over the right of billionaires to buy elections. She’ll push for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United in order to restore the role of everyday voters in elections.
End secret, unaccountable money in politics. Hillary will push for legislation to require outside groups to publicly disclose significant political spending. And until Congress acts, she'll sign an executive order requiring federal government contractors to do the same. Hillary will also promote an SEC rule requiring publicly traded companies to disclose political spending to shareholders.
Amplify the voices of everyday Americans. Hillary will establish a small-donor matching system for presidential and congressional elections to incentivize small donors to participate in elections, and encourage candidates to spend more time engaging a representative cross-section of voters."
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/
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I don't think it's accurate to say Trump intends to turn the general election into a referendum on Mr.s Clinton's character. He intends to assassinate her character while appealing to every prejudice and fear that lurks in the corners of the electorate.
I also fear that it will be very difficult to transform the election into a contest of ideas and overall fitness to lead. Young people don't seem to want to talk about specifics very much, but the devil is in the details. What do we have to do to realize the progressive vision that has caught their attention?
Then there is the news media slavering over the excitement of the horse-race election. We will read about polls and see attack ads funded by dark money until we are all sick of the process. Ideas will have nothing to do with it.
I trust that Clinton will eventually win the election, at least that is my fervent hope, but she will be further damaged. There will still be the not-so-loyal opposition lurking in the background dedicating themselves to oppose whatever she proposes. We have a long dangerous way to go before we get out of this mess we've created.
I also fear that it will be very difficult to transform the election into a contest of ideas and overall fitness to lead. Young people don't seem to want to talk about specifics very much, but the devil is in the details. What do we have to do to realize the progressive vision that has caught their attention?
Then there is the news media slavering over the excitement of the horse-race election. We will read about polls and see attack ads funded by dark money until we are all sick of the process. Ideas will have nothing to do with it.
I trust that Clinton will eventually win the election, at least that is my fervent hope, but she will be further damaged. There will still be the not-so-loyal opposition lurking in the background dedicating themselves to oppose whatever she proposes. We have a long dangerous way to go before we get out of this mess we've created.
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For the past forty-four years, I have voted for the Democratic ticket. And I have waited my entire adult life to vote for a female United States President. And, yet, Bernie Sanders was my choice. Since this primary began, the ugly underbelly of the Democratic National Committee has been exposed (National Chair, Wasserman-Shultz, being but one example). I have to feel disdain for the Democratic party machine. To announce ahead of the California—and five other--state primaries that HRC cinched the nomination is something I have never before witnessed. What arrogance and contempt for our democratic process
As repugnant as I find Trump, I will not vote for Clinton in the general election. Too dishonest and too little integrity, to say nothing of her judgement. If Trump should win the Presidency, I will leave it to our Congress to eventually impeach him, for Trump will continue to be a threat to our national security. Or perhaps, the once unthinkable will happen: a constitutional crisis wherein our military will refuse to follow Trump’s orders. Wasn’t it only a few months ago in an interview with Bill Maher that Michael Hayden, former director of both the NSA and CIA, said that if Trump were to order the military to engage in torture--as he has promised on the campaign trail—that “the American armed forces would refuse to act.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3467732/Michael-Hayden-former-he...
As repugnant as I find Trump, I will not vote for Clinton in the general election. Too dishonest and too little integrity, to say nothing of her judgement. If Trump should win the Presidency, I will leave it to our Congress to eventually impeach him, for Trump will continue to be a threat to our national security. Or perhaps, the once unthinkable will happen: a constitutional crisis wherein our military will refuse to follow Trump’s orders. Wasn’t it only a few months ago in an interview with Bill Maher that Michael Hayden, former director of both the NSA and CIA, said that if Trump were to order the military to engage in torture--as he has promised on the campaign trail—that “the American armed forces would refuse to act.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3467732/Michael-Hayden-former-he...
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I registered Democrat in California two weeks ago to avoid hassles at the polls. I've always been registered independent (no party preference in CA), but made the change simply to support Sanders. This week I'll go back to being an Independent.
Sanders represented, for me, a chance for the Democratic Party to reclaim its dignity and honesty as a party that represents the people. I see now that is no longer the case as the party continues to drift sideways to the right. I couldn't support Clinton for many of the reasons cited in this editorial, the lack of transparency of the Goldman Sachs speeches, refusal to debate opponents, or have any substantive press conferences. I have other concerns with her judgement too, Honduras, Haiti, Libya and of course the financial uncertainties of the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Victory Fund PAC. And then there's the DNC - ugh!
I can't say yet if I will 'have' to vote for her in November. Living in CA I may be graced with making third party choices without upsetting the electoral college. But I will say that having met Bernie and having respected colleagues who worked with him over many years - he's the real deal. America missed a huge opportunity with this election to create a lasting social, economic and environmental level of justice that this country sorely needs. I hope his revolution continues and that this wasn't our last chance, we haven't much more time you know.
Sanders represented, for me, a chance for the Democratic Party to reclaim its dignity and honesty as a party that represents the people. I see now that is no longer the case as the party continues to drift sideways to the right. I couldn't support Clinton for many of the reasons cited in this editorial, the lack of transparency of the Goldman Sachs speeches, refusal to debate opponents, or have any substantive press conferences. I have other concerns with her judgement too, Honduras, Haiti, Libya and of course the financial uncertainties of the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Victory Fund PAC. And then there's the DNC - ugh!
I can't say yet if I will 'have' to vote for her in November. Living in CA I may be graced with making third party choices without upsetting the electoral college. But I will say that having met Bernie and having respected colleagues who worked with him over many years - he's the real deal. America missed a huge opportunity with this election to create a lasting social, economic and environmental level of justice that this country sorely needs. I hope his revolution continues and that this wasn't our last chance, we haven't much more time you know.
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It is a wonderful moment to see a major party's candidate be a woman. Hillary Clinton's speech just now referred to the Seneca Falls convention for women's rights in the mid 19th century. Sec. Clinton has strong support not just from women but from minorities.
Frederick Douglass was a speaker at Seneca Falls and 40 years later he recalled it: "I have been thinking more or less, of the scene presented forty years ago in the little Methodist church at Seneca Falls, the manger in which this organized suffrage movement was born. It was very small thing then. ..I have been thinking, too, of the strong conviction, the noble courage, the sublime faith in God and man it required at that time to set this suffrage ball in motion... It was a great thing for the friends of peace to organize in opposition to war; it was a great thing for the friends of temperance to organize against intemperance; it was a great thing for humane people to organize in opposition to slavery; but it was a much greater thing, in view of all the circumstances, for woman to organize herself in opposition to her exclusion from participation in government."
Frederick Douglass was a speaker at Seneca Falls and 40 years later he recalled it: "I have been thinking more or less, of the scene presented forty years ago in the little Methodist church at Seneca Falls, the manger in which this organized suffrage movement was born. It was very small thing then. ..I have been thinking, too, of the strong conviction, the noble courage, the sublime faith in God and man it required at that time to set this suffrage ball in motion... It was a great thing for the friends of peace to organize in opposition to war; it was a great thing for the friends of temperance to organize against intemperance; it was a great thing for humane people to organize in opposition to slavery; but it was a much greater thing, in view of all the circumstances, for woman to organize herself in opposition to her exclusion from participation in government."
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It is not about numbers alone, the profiles also matter. After all it is the mainstream White communities which created most of the American identity as we know it, and it is their cultural mooring which has shored up most of the individual performance behind spectacular American achievements over centuries. Graceful acknowledgement of this reality marginalizes racist dog-whistle campaign success of the opportunists.
Hillary wins were mostly due to disproportionate minority votes.She has tapped their anger, and may have even stoked it a bit. The distrust of the mainstream may be due to this perceived stoking factor.
Bernie has been the rebel i.e. change element, he is the delta factor hence can not be ignored; besides he has tapped lot more of cultural mainstream. Hopefully Hillary campaign shall commit to the meaningful components of the change Bernie voters aspire for, and in process may gain adequate trust of the mainstream White voters. This groundswell of goodwill is essential to forge bipartisan consensus for implementing difficult policies.
Hillary wins were mostly due to disproportionate minority votes.She has tapped their anger, and may have even stoked it a bit. The distrust of the mainstream may be due to this perceived stoking factor.
Bernie has been the rebel i.e. change element, he is the delta factor hence can not be ignored; besides he has tapped lot more of cultural mainstream. Hopefully Hillary campaign shall commit to the meaningful components of the change Bernie voters aspire for, and in process may gain adequate trust of the mainstream White voters. This groundswell of goodwill is essential to forge bipartisan consensus for implementing difficult policies.
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"Among some of his supporters there will be lingering frustration and a belief that the party's leaders conspired to deprive them of their choice." Not to mention the media. I will never forget early tonight when a reporter on CNN laughed gleefully in response to Bill Clinton's recent statement that Sanders supporters are "toast." This doesn't even mention the voter suppression including that perpetrated by the AP and copied by all the eager big media outlets, and what appears to be, based on reports far and wide, massive voter fraud on a scale unprecedented in recent decades. But what is just as bad as the bogus primary season is what Hillary has done, what she stands for, and whose interests she represents, and it's not women's or girls'. Just go back in time and ask a certain 12-year-old in 1975, or poor Haitian women today, or those thrown off welfare in the 90s. We may be in for some very tough years of militaristic misadventures (and the death that goes with it) and a continued and accelerating shift of wealth toward the tip top of the top 1%. It is seriously misguided to champion her because she's a woman. It's what's on the inside that counts and she has time and time and time and time again proven to lack those important inner qualities: compassion for the average person, foresight, honesty, to be grossly lacking in judgment, and to chronically fail to learn from her mistakes.
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This Democrat has no interest in open primaries, or eliminating super delegates. I'm a Dem because it's the party that best represents my beliefs. I assume people join the GOP for similar reasons. Those who choose to be Independents are free to do so, but they are not welcome to influence, let alone march in and demand structural changes, to my party.
As for super delegates, they were put in place for a reason, after the McGovern debacle. They were also put in place to prevent the ascension of the likes of Trump, a candidate unhinged, unfit, and unAmerican, who is destroying the GOP,
Our two party structure exists for sound reasons, and to have open primaries would not only dilute the structure, but possibly destroy it. Every primary would be a mini general election, clouding the clear choices parties offer.
To call the Democratic party structure "rigged" is at best uninformed, and at worst, ignorant. Bernie Sanders finds it inconvenient and unfair, which means that an Independent who chose to run as a Democrat calls it rigged and undemocratic. Poor Bernie!
If about 50 per cent of "young people" are independents, fine. But the Democratic party doesn't have to remake itself with open primaries to accommodate them, nor should it.
Hillary Clinton won fair and square, just like Barack Obama did. Bernie Sanders has gone from being a positive force in the primaries to a pathetic, old geezer, throwing tantrums.
Go home, Bernie. It's my party, and you can cry if you want to.
As for super delegates, they were put in place for a reason, after the McGovern debacle. They were also put in place to prevent the ascension of the likes of Trump, a candidate unhinged, unfit, and unAmerican, who is destroying the GOP,
Our two party structure exists for sound reasons, and to have open primaries would not only dilute the structure, but possibly destroy it. Every primary would be a mini general election, clouding the clear choices parties offer.
To call the Democratic party structure "rigged" is at best uninformed, and at worst, ignorant. Bernie Sanders finds it inconvenient and unfair, which means that an Independent who chose to run as a Democrat calls it rigged and undemocratic. Poor Bernie!
If about 50 per cent of "young people" are independents, fine. But the Democratic party doesn't have to remake itself with open primaries to accommodate them, nor should it.
Hillary Clinton won fair and square, just like Barack Obama did. Bernie Sanders has gone from being a positive force in the primaries to a pathetic, old geezer, throwing tantrums.
Go home, Bernie. It's my party, and you can cry if you want to.
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Your Democratic Party left you years ago, I hope Bernie starts a "People's Party," that represents what the Dems used to stand for, before Mr Clinton got hold of the party and moved it to the right.
I predict the greatest response to the nomination to be a significant switch in party registration from "Democrat" to "Independent". It is wonderful that a woman has been nominated for the presidency, and long overdue. But one thing that this primary and Bernie Sanders campaign has made clear is that we have "a rigged economy shored up by a corrupt campaign finance system." What specific policy proposals will Hillary commit to? What changes to the primary system will she recommend? How about a "public option" primary? The government could cover the cost of a competitive candidacy, the candidate selected directly by voters of any registration in a single election. That way, the people elect a candidate who then compete's against the candidates of the parties. Given her credibility issues, any movement to the left will be looked at askance by former Bernie supporters, so they better be expressed in concrete language. Or the Hillary for President type can just kiss the Bernie supporters off, as the corporate media have done for the last year anyway.
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For Sanders supporters, Bernie is a fabulous fellow. But please just google "obama clinton situation room images" and note that only one candidate -- the one you will see in that room -- has had that kind of very serious practice run, so to speak, before actually being the person in that room issuing the orders. The cold, bare fact is this: Hillary Clinton is the most qualified, most experienced, most inside-knowledge Presidential candidate that this nation has had in more than half a century. As Secretary of State she gained deep and invaluable experience with most of the current world leaders. As First Lady for 8 years, she has White House protocol down pat, and has valuable first-hand observer experience from a front row seat during another 8-year presidency. Hillary Clinton is, with no reasonable question, the most qualified person to be President that this nation can produce at the current time. Sanders has performed a great service, but Hillary has won not because the game is rigged, but because she has the experience, and many, many people do not fail to know it. It is time to close ranks against the Republican Party's charlatan show, which truly does insult to all of America.
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Let me tell you a story regarding experience and the presidency.
We once had a president who had served in the House and the Senate, as Secretary of State, and had held the most important ambassadorship. He was followed by a president whose sole national office experience was as a one term member of the House 12 years before he was elected president.
The first was James Buchanan who twiddled his thumbs while the country descended into civil war. The second was Abraham Lincoln who held the country together.
We once had a president who had served in the House and the Senate, as Secretary of State, and had held the most important ambassadorship. He was followed by a president whose sole national office experience was as a one term member of the House 12 years before he was elected president.
The first was James Buchanan who twiddled his thumbs while the country descended into civil war. The second was Abraham Lincoln who held the country together.
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And Obama is an excellent example as to why experience doesn't really matter, Judgment does.
Mark writes: "[J]ust google "obama clinton situation room images" and note that only one candidate -- the one you will see in that room -- has had that kind of very serious practice run, so to speak, before actually being the person in that room issuing the orders."
There was other persons sitting in that room much more directly involved in the operation. And, as commander in chief, it was President Obama issuing the orders.
There was other persons sitting in that room much more directly involved in the operation. And, as commander in chief, it was President Obama issuing the orders.
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Clinton must run an accountable White House? Since when have the Clintons ever been accountable? From the moment when Bill Clinton made the Democratic Party the party of deregulation by his repeal of New Deal Banking Regulation and his signature on The Enron Loophole, the banks have diverged from any pretense of social utility, and the financial system began its quest to prey upon the real economy, which it was supposed to serve.
We now have a system of Shadow Banks, and shills for the dealings of banks, which live or die by their ability to raise on a daily basis 80 billion dollars or more per day in collateral at their repo desks in order to while away the bankers hours at the Traders Casino, which finance has become.
Hillary Clinton was not rewarded with big speaking fees by the CEO's of the Money Banks to change how the banks operate completely at cross purposes with the stodgy functions like depository lending, which they were once bound by law to serve. Bill changed all of that, and the banks will remain in a parasitic relationship with the American Economy until it once again goes sour. With Hillary there is no hope for the necessary return of plain vanilla banking. The New Deal can be presumed dead, now that she is the presumptive candidate of the Democratic Party. Hillary is in, and FDR is apparently no longer even a receding memory.
Of course she will have continuity with the Bush oil wars, just as Obama conformed with the neocon agenda. So nothing will change.
We now have a system of Shadow Banks, and shills for the dealings of banks, which live or die by their ability to raise on a daily basis 80 billion dollars or more per day in collateral at their repo desks in order to while away the bankers hours at the Traders Casino, which finance has become.
Hillary Clinton was not rewarded with big speaking fees by the CEO's of the Money Banks to change how the banks operate completely at cross purposes with the stodgy functions like depository lending, which they were once bound by law to serve. Bill changed all of that, and the banks will remain in a parasitic relationship with the American Economy until it once again goes sour. With Hillary there is no hope for the necessary return of plain vanilla banking. The New Deal can be presumed dead, now that she is the presumptive candidate of the Democratic Party. Hillary is in, and FDR is apparently no longer even a receding memory.
Of course she will have continuity with the Bush oil wars, just as Obama conformed with the neocon agenda. So nothing will change.
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It's interesting how Clinton has so many substantive problems, but the dominant "balanced" narrative is that voters are only against her because of irrational things like their feelings, their distrust or their supposedly false perceptions about her.
This misdirection is needed because she is a very problematic candidate. This newspaper ran a magazine feature about her hawkish foreign policy that many disagree with and that hasn't been successful. She has clearly been dishonest about her email server: her explanation has changed many times and officials investigating her have questioned her description of events. The other shoe has yet to drop on not just one but two investigations.
The money she took from Goldman Sachs for her speeches and donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments are clearly intended to influence policy. Yet her campaign tried hard to sell Democrats on the notion that money from special interests could not possibly influence them.
Not only is this dishonest and insulting to our intelligence, it signals that she is not be willing to push for campaign finance reform, which is absolutely necessary to restore government "for the people". Right now our government is serving Wall Street, billionaire donors, and, apparently, foreign companies and governments as well. Hillary Clinton is the choice of these people.
American young people should look elsewhere for a president (and a party) who will truly work for them.
This misdirection is needed because she is a very problematic candidate. This newspaper ran a magazine feature about her hawkish foreign policy that many disagree with and that hasn't been successful. She has clearly been dishonest about her email server: her explanation has changed many times and officials investigating her have questioned her description of events. The other shoe has yet to drop on not just one but two investigations.
The money she took from Goldman Sachs for her speeches and donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments are clearly intended to influence policy. Yet her campaign tried hard to sell Democrats on the notion that money from special interests could not possibly influence them.
Not only is this dishonest and insulting to our intelligence, it signals that she is not be willing to push for campaign finance reform, which is absolutely necessary to restore government "for the people". Right now our government is serving Wall Street, billionaire donors, and, apparently, foreign companies and governments as well. Hillary Clinton is the choice of these people.
American young people should look elsewhere for a president (and a party) who will truly work for them.
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I am a woman registered to vote in Vermont and have been a reasonably reliable voter for Democratic candidates since I first voted in 1976, when Vermont was much more Republican. The main exceptions have been the late Senator James Jeffords, who eventually left the Republican Party, and Bernie Sanders, as both Representative and Senator. As an expat I go to great trouble to turn in an absentee ballot in every primary and general election. I have donated to and phone banked for several candidates. In 2004 I drove to suburban Detroit to canvass for John Kerry, only to come close to being bitten by two snarling dogs because a house I was canvassing had changed hands. In other words, I am the kind of workaday Democratic voter whom the party should be loath to lose. I was delighted when Bernie Sanders decided to run for President on the Democratic side, as he, and not Hillary Clinton, comes closest to encapsulating the progressive ideas dear to me. In both 2008 and 2016 she was well down on my list of candidates. I have particular concerns about her foreign policy and her seeming inability to "get" social inequality. Still, there is no way in Hades that I will be voting for Trump; if we don't have a Munich 1932 moment, it is closer to one than I would like. But if Secretary Clinton wants me and millions like me to not only vote for her but to do the necessary lifting, she will need to engage the concerns of the new millennium -- and fast. A progressive VP is only the beginning.
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How disingenuous to ignore what happened in the 1990's, as if African lives do not matter! As if what happened in Ukraine did not matter! As if what happened in Syria, Egypt, and Libya did not matter! AND what choice are we given.... a racist pig who hates Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims, and women who are not surgically altered to look like Barbie dolls. God is surely punishing the USA for the sinful behavior of its citizens.
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By all means, we must encourage an equal-opportunity access to government service, including the presidency, that is not limited to one gender or race. But as a cautionary note: Great Britain experienced that gender-transcending innovation with Margaret Thatcher, with whom Sec. Clinton bears some striking similarities (including a propensity for war-mongering). How well did that work out?
But cheerfully moving forward: I will vote for Clinton because the Republican party is a nihilistic cult or greed and spite, and their presumptive nominee is arguably insane, or too emotionally and intellectually immature to be considered an adult.
But my concerns are even more fundamental and self-serving: the next president will likely nominate the next two or three supreme court justices with life-time tenure over the rest of us. I seriously doubt Clinton would nominate any lawyers with hostile records to women's reproductive choice, or who are opponents of national health care.
Between the two major political parties there is only one rational choice for president: Hillary Clinton.
But cheerfully moving forward: I will vote for Clinton because the Republican party is a nihilistic cult or greed and spite, and their presumptive nominee is arguably insane, or too emotionally and intellectually immature to be considered an adult.
But my concerns are even more fundamental and self-serving: the next president will likely nominate the next two or three supreme court justices with life-time tenure over the rest of us. I seriously doubt Clinton would nominate any lawyers with hostile records to women's reproductive choice, or who are opponents of national health care.
Between the two major political parties there is only one rational choice for president: Hillary Clinton.
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Is it just me, or does the illustration of Mrs. Clinton with her left arm raised resemble a medical illustration of how to do a breast self-exam? Unfortunate choice of pose on the part of the artist, IMHO.
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Hillary Clinton who easily wins the popular vote needs to convince people that she didn't steal the election by having the superdelegates decide that she has enough merit that they should consider backing the will of the people? Give me a break!
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"The sheer muscle Mrs. Clinton put into her bid sets an example of hard work for others eager to follow her path into public service."
The irony is that it appears it was Sanders who was inspiring the young as mentioned further down in the editorial.
The question now is whether Clinton can start attacking Trump on areas where he weak, and hopefully a lot faster than the one speech we've heard so far.
The irony is that it appears it was Sanders who was inspiring the young as mentioned further down in the editorial.
The question now is whether Clinton can start attacking Trump on areas where he weak, and hopefully a lot faster than the one speech we've heard so far.
If she can accomplish winning over the Bernie voters, then she would have actually accomplished something. Good luck. I have a hard time believing that you can convince me that she won it "fairly". A little late for that discussion. Now that Hillary has been declared the winner, suddenly there are lots of articles on Bernie... I have no respect for the DNC or the media. I'm thinking of voting for the Green Party.
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A vote for the Green Party (or no vote at all) is as good as a vote for Trump. You propose cutting off your nose to spite your face.
And no, Hillary did not benefit from a tilted playing field. She got more votes and pledged delegates than Bernie, fair and square. Grow up, and vote in your self-interest, and not succumb to spiteful lack of impuse-control which is, by the way, one of Trump's most obvious flaws.
And no, Hillary did not benefit from a tilted playing field. She got more votes and pledged delegates than Bernie, fair and square. Grow up, and vote in your self-interest, and not succumb to spiteful lack of impuse-control which is, by the way, one of Trump's most obvious flaws.
A vote for the Green Party, at this stage of the game, is a vote for Trump. Think about it.
Yes, there was Shirley Chisholm, and yes, there was Geraldine Ferrraro -- giants upon whose shoulders Hillary Rodham Clinton stands, seeing further into the future than any woman has done before. She will be the first female President of the United States, and about time it is, too. And what a glorious time that will be. Honor to our foremothers, and hope to our daughters and grandaughters for generations to come!
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Hillary runs ten points ahead of Trump without any help from Sanders. To hell with Sanders and his followers. They have lost, unsmbiguously and completely. They can either join up to beat Trump or they can stand around and help Trump with their backbiting and sour grapes slander. Clinton owes them absolutely nothing.
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It embarrasses me to be a citizen of a country that can only nominate a woman who is corrupt, dishonest, under investigation by the FBI, a member of the 1% and who had a corrupt DNC behind her all the way, fixing the outcome of this race. It's the same old politics of the white and wealthy, only in a skirt.
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It embarrasses me that voters like you cannot distinguish between a criminal, and the victim of a GOP-lead witchhunt, which is what the FBI investigation is.
Contrast that to the utter lack of prosecution of Libby the guy who outed Valerie Plame, which resulted in a dozen deaths of our foreign field agents.
Also contrast with the Bengazi hearings, still not concluded, finding nothing at all, the longest investigation in US history, costing 80 billions of dollars.
You ought to be embarrassed by our country accepting the presence of the GOP before you complain about Hillary.
Contrast that to the utter lack of prosecution of Libby the guy who outed Valerie Plame, which resulted in a dozen deaths of our foreign field agents.
Also contrast with the Bengazi hearings, still not concluded, finding nothing at all, the longest investigation in US history, costing 80 billions of dollars.
You ought to be embarrassed by our country accepting the presence of the GOP before you complain about Hillary.
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It really is blindingly simple at this point. Come January of 2017, one of two people is going to be sworn in as President of the United States: Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Leading up to that inauguration, two kinds of people will vote for Trump: the insane and those who are taking a calculated gamble that the Republican party will be able to control him (that he will realize he is in over his head and that he will, in a panic, fill his cabinet and other government posts with Republican regulars, people like John McCain, Chris Christie, and Paul Ryan, people who show us every day that they have no scruples about doing anything to retain power).
Make your choice, America. And by the way, "Neither of the above. I'm going to sit this one out because I'm outraged." Or, "Neither of the above. I'm going to write in a name just to show you how mad I am." Those are not on the menu. People have died for you to be able to vote. Think about it.
Make your choice, America. And by the way, "Neither of the above. I'm going to sit this one out because I'm outraged." Or, "Neither of the above. I'm going to write in a name just to show you how mad I am." Those are not on the menu. People have died for you to be able to vote. Think about it.
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People have died for me to be able to vote as I see fit--even if it means writing in a name. It's not enshrined anywhere that my rights are limited to voting for one of two political parties.
"but she needs to convince Sanders followers that she won fairly."
How is she going to convince people that have seen for themselves that it wasn't won fairly?
We read. We read this paper. It could have been fair, but it was not.
How is she going to convince people that have seen for themselves that it wasn't won fairly?
We read. We read this paper. It could have been fair, but it was not.
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I don't understand the fuss from the Sanders campaign about the super delegates. If the super delegates were to be removed entirely from counting, then the required greater than half of pledged delegates needed to win would be 2074, which Clinton will reach easily tonight after the primaries. Sanders can only hope to win by USING the superdelegates, i.e. counting them and getting them ALL to support him despite the fact that Clinton won the regular delegate count. This is very hypocritical - to bemoan the super delegates as unfair, but then count on them making an unpopular decision to win..
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For those worried about Trump's neo-fascism, and for those worried about Clinton's neo-liberalism, I have two words: party matters.
There are plenty of reasons to oppose these two individuals, but the more important thing to consider is this: which political party do you think can govern into the 21st century?
There are plenty of reasons to oppose these two individuals, but the more important thing to consider is this: which political party do you think can govern into the 21st century?
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As a life-long (64-year) progressive Democrat, I have supported Sanders through this primary season. I'll certainly vote for Clinton in November, but I still retain the conviction that Sanders' world view is closer to my own. And frankly, I'm tired of hearing Clinton supporters who say that Bernie and the other 10 million who supported him this year should fold their tents and close ranks with the Clinton campaign. In my view, Hillary has a choice now, if she wants to win in November: she can either continue as she has, refusing to acknowledge those to the left of her, or she can make real concessions to the progressive wing of the party and run on a platform that is bold, ambitious, inspiring, knowing that not only will this capture the imagination of those who will be our successors in the next generation, but it will also make the country more egalitarian. If this were a parliamentary government, Clinton would not win a clear majority in the election, and she would need to deal with those who could coalesce to form a majority. That would include major concessions on policy and positions of responsibility in leadership. In our system, those deals must be made before the election, or I'm afraid there will be no second chance to achieve victory. The ball is now in her court, not in Sanders'.
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Have you read her platform at https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
If so, point out what you object to. If not, you have no basis for your comment.
If so, point out what you object to. If not, you have no basis for your comment.
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Actually, Ockham, the ball is in your court and the courts of others like you. Your choice is to vote for the candidate who received the most votes in the Democratic party primaries but is not your first choice, maybe not even your second or third choice, or to see the White House turned over to Drumpf.
It's a free country, and the choice is yours. Make your choice wisely.
It's a free country, and the choice is yours. Make your choice wisely.
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Mrs. Clinton will never be a 'president' for the people which includes progressives as well as all the Repub voters, & not even the black population. She is in it only for herself...
Bernie is leading tonight in one of the Dakotas and that says all you need to know about his campaign. He won only 4 or 5 primaries (caucuses do not count in my opinion) that Obama carried in 2008 and 2012 and lost by more than 3 million votes. Get out Bernie and we can only hope his followers bother to show up in November. I am not a big Hillary fan, but in no way can the idiot trump be elected.
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Can you imagine a male candidate with a 3 million+ vote margin being asked to convince his opponent's followers that he won "fairly"?
A woman's work is never done.
A woman's work is never done.
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Missing the point. Sanders' followers already know the system is designed to elevate the establishment candidate. They don't need to be convinced that Hillary "won fairly" (and most of them can't be.) They need to be convinced that Hillary will adopt their "anti plutocracy" agenda. Not going to be an easy sell, but it would behoove Sec. Clinton to make the effort.
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I voted for Bernie. I voted for Bernie because he is a progressive.
I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton because she is not a progressive.
Feel the logic.
I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton because she is not a progressive.
Feel the logic.
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"I voted for Bernie. I voted for Bernie because he is a progressive.
I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton because she is not a progressive.
Feel the logic."
What is the "logic" of helping Trump win? Progressive should be fighting to get people to vote for a democratic senate and congress, which is the the first real step for a progressive democratic party. Even if Bernie Sanders (who I voted for in California's primary yesterday) won the presidency, he would be faced with opposition of a "do no good" Republican congress.
I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton because she is not a progressive.
Feel the logic."
What is the "logic" of helping Trump win? Progressive should be fighting to get people to vote for a democratic senate and congress, which is the the first real step for a progressive democratic party. Even if Bernie Sanders (who I voted for in California's primary yesterday) won the presidency, he would be faced with opposition of a "do no good" Republican congress.
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Your "not voting for Hillary" is voting for Trump. Is that what you want?
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Because, logically, you want Trump to be president? Really?
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Her making history is irrelevant because with a Republican Congress she will be another lame duck president. But she'll have lovely parties for the rich and famous at the White House!
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Greg-"Her making history is irrelevant because with a Republican Congress she will be another lame duck president."
Then we need to continue the revolution that sanders started. Flipping the senate is a start, flipping the house is next. The revolution will die a very quick death if we don't actually listen to Sanders' message. He admonished us to vote, not just for him but against every Republican candidate on the ballot. Sanders would also accomplish nothing if we didn't support down ticket Democratic candidates. Put a Democratic majority in place. You'll be amazed at what can be accomplished.
Then we need to continue the revolution that sanders started. Flipping the senate is a start, flipping the house is next. The revolution will die a very quick death if we don't actually listen to Sanders' message. He admonished us to vote, not just for him but against every Republican candidate on the ballot. Sanders would also accomplish nothing if we didn't support down ticket Democratic candidates. Put a Democratic majority in place. You'll be amazed at what can be accomplished.
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I don't particularly like Hillary, nor do I trust her - but I'll vote for her anyway because the alternative is ridiculous. What the hell is wrong with the GOP!
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Bernie and his followers have to stop complaining about imagined injustices. It's so unseemly for white privileged people to do that sort of thing.
There's a meme going around: yes, it's a rigged system -- against women! And HRC shattered it.
Now put on your man pants already.
There's a meme going around: yes, it's a rigged system -- against women! And HRC shattered it.
Now put on your man pants already.
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Nonsense, Hillary and Trump are privileged and white and represent the interests of privileged whites. You had a chance to elect an honest good-hearted American that would have done more positive work for non-whites than Hill or Trump, but choose to support a candidate that will deport more "illegals" than Obama has, even if she doesn't build a wall. Sanders would not have done this. You've been gaslighted by the DNC and media propagandists.
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We white privileged people will complain as much as we want. Now don't get your panties in a twist.
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We should all stick by our principles and write in Sanders. Hillary is no better than Donald Trump as she's taken money from the Republican demagogue, is a war hawk and a mass jailer, and is a self-serving opportunist. She and Trump are both representatives of the 1%. Their genders are irrelevant, they both represent New York palm greasing.
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At 22:37 ET on June 7 I am listening to Mrs Clinton's victory speech, with the NJ result in hand, and the other five up in the air. I admire what she is saying. I hope it wins her the admiration of millions of others. She has EARNED no less.
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"More than any other age group, voters aged 18 to 33 say they believe in the power of ordinary people to influence their government. Overwhelmingly, they say that a fair and inclusive process is more important to them than seeing their favored candidate win."
And the DNC has done nothing and will do nothing to address this point. Young people know they hand they've been dealt by former generations and the unsightly process of crowning Her Majesty over a year ago has really added insult to injury.
IF victory is possible with Clinton in November, it will be a pyrrhic one. Democrats are watching their future jump ship all because they spotted 5 touchdowns to one of the the least liked candidates in the history of politics before the game even started. Now Obama is supposedly coming in to choreograph the cheerleaders. Add some help from the officials and take a little air out of those balls and just maybe Hillary can squeak out a win.
Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate. Everytime she has to answer questions her numbers go down. She can't be trusted with sensitive government information. The majority of the public thinks she's a liar and she's under a criminal investigation. A criminal investigation! Any other candidate would have been pilloried for that but somehow Hillary gets a free pass and a lot of extra press. She is incapable of the things this piece suggests and those has already lost the youth. But hey, there's always the Never Trump crowd...
And the DNC has done nothing and will do nothing to address this point. Young people know they hand they've been dealt by former generations and the unsightly process of crowning Her Majesty over a year ago has really added insult to injury.
IF victory is possible with Clinton in November, it will be a pyrrhic one. Democrats are watching their future jump ship all because they spotted 5 touchdowns to one of the the least liked candidates in the history of politics before the game even started. Now Obama is supposedly coming in to choreograph the cheerleaders. Add some help from the officials and take a little air out of those balls and just maybe Hillary can squeak out a win.
Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate. Everytime she has to answer questions her numbers go down. She can't be trusted with sensitive government information. The majority of the public thinks she's a liar and she's under a criminal investigation. A criminal investigation! Any other candidate would have been pilloried for that but somehow Hillary gets a free pass and a lot of extra press. She is incapable of the things this piece suggests and those has already lost the youth. But hey, there's always the Never Trump crowd...
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The thing that I hope Bernie supporters realize is that Hillary is very much on the same page as Bernie. She has been an advocate for better healthcare for a very long time. It cost her dearly, but she has continued to be passionate about it. She has been a strong advocate for women, children, and families for decades. Yes, she is more of a gradualist than Bernie, but in the present climate in DC she is more likely to actually get things done.
Bernie is an idealist and I applaud that. However, I want things to actually happen. Dismantling the big banks is a lovely idea, but as we speak the GOP House is trying to dismantle Dodd-Frank the much more modest banking bill passed in the crisis of 2008. The GOP will hold the House; banking law is the purview of Congress, not the President. Let's get real about what can actually be done. If you like the GOP agenda, then stay home or vote for Trump. However, if you like Bernie's agenda Hillary will get you far more of what you'd like in the next four years.
Bernie is an idealist and I applaud that. However, I want things to actually happen. Dismantling the big banks is a lovely idea, but as we speak the GOP House is trying to dismantle Dodd-Frank the much more modest banking bill passed in the crisis of 2008. The GOP will hold the House; banking law is the purview of Congress, not the President. Let's get real about what can actually be done. If you like the GOP agenda, then stay home or vote for Trump. However, if you like Bernie's agenda Hillary will get you far more of what you'd like in the next four years.
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"Hillary is very much on the same page as Bernie."
No. She isn't. She is the anti-Bernie.
Wars. Money in politics. Wall Street. Trade agreements. Corporate agenda. More wars.
No. She isn't. She is the anti-Bernie.
Wars. Money in politics. Wall Street. Trade agreements. Corporate agenda. More wars.
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Hillary has much more in common with Trump and she and Bill have been rifling in Trump's pocket where he stashes his large bankroll to curry favor with politicians he can buy.
The Democratic nomination, bought for you by the DNC, big media and big corporate donors. The Democratic party will have its Trump moment one day and the messenger won't be as kindly, fair and righteously passionate as Bernie Sanders.
The Democratic nomination, bought for you by the DNC, big media and big corporate donors. The Democratic party will have its Trump moment one day and the messenger won't be as kindly, fair and righteously passionate as Bernie Sanders.
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Bernie supporters largely know she's not on the same page. We don't believe the Republican cool-aid; we know the details of her life and record. Do you?
When someone pointed out how callous Clinton was towards Lewinsky, when I said it was no one's business (ah, yes, Republican smear, thought I--what year was this? 1994 or so?), I actually went and read the Starr Report, and checked two Clinton bios or histories from the library--one pro, one con.
No, the facts are there, Ms. Hislop, and they do not flatter HRC. I urge you to do some independent (not just online) reading.
And this is what the Times and all papers of record should urge their readers, each and every election. The back and forth, with all the disregard for -- and put down! of facts as smears and attacks is detrimental to democracy. We can't have a functioning government without an informed electorate. And that includes historical perspective. And the NYT and WaPost and LA Post certainly aren't doing the job they used to, in the good old days of The Pentagon Papers.
When someone pointed out how callous Clinton was towards Lewinsky, when I said it was no one's business (ah, yes, Republican smear, thought I--what year was this? 1994 or so?), I actually went and read the Starr Report, and checked two Clinton bios or histories from the library--one pro, one con.
No, the facts are there, Ms. Hislop, and they do not flatter HRC. I urge you to do some independent (not just online) reading.
And this is what the Times and all papers of record should urge their readers, each and every election. The back and forth, with all the disregard for -- and put down! of facts as smears and attacks is detrimental to democracy. We can't have a functioning government without an informed electorate. And that includes historical perspective. And the NYT and WaPost and LA Post certainly aren't doing the job they used to, in the good old days of The Pentagon Papers.
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Tune out, turn off, drop out...
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The Democrat leadership -- who are bought by the plutocrats -- have milked African-Americans and liberals for the black vote for Obama for 8 years, and now the female vote for Clinton for another 8. At the end of what appears more and more likely to be 16 years of permanent warfare sucking up 50% of the federal discretionary budget, permanent unconstitutional spying and massive financial inequality, the planet will still be getting hotter, the rich will still be getting richer, and the poor will be getting poorer. That is not progress.
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It would have been historic for the Times to simply acknowledge what Hillary has achieved tonight without posting an accompanying list of liabilities and defects.
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It's a shame she has to convince people she won fairly when she won the popular vote by 3 millions and won more states. This just proves misinformation and distrust of the media are bi-partisan. We do not need a Tea-Party Liberal. One Tea-Party is already one too many.
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She might have won "fairly" if you consider that Bernie wasn't even considered a viable candidate until he proved otherwise. He was given NO media coverage.
Having said that, Hillary is the same old untrustworthy blowing in the wind candidate. She only represents 50% of the population. I have not seen her with men in forever. Even though I am not a man, I consider them an important part of society.
Whatever she says in an attempt to win the election, watch her switch back to her old Wall Street, war-mongering, support for trade unions IF she should get elected. She is a phony.
Trump is also a phony.
There are other options: write in a name, vote for a third party candidate or sit the whole disgusting political disaster out this year.
Having said that, Hillary is the same old untrustworthy blowing in the wind candidate. She only represents 50% of the population. I have not seen her with men in forever. Even though I am not a man, I consider them an important part of society.
Whatever she says in an attempt to win the election, watch her switch back to her old Wall Street, war-mongering, support for trade unions IF she should get elected. She is a phony.
Trump is also a phony.
There are other options: write in a name, vote for a third party candidate or sit the whole disgusting political disaster out this year.
Wonderful editorial highlighting the Sanders Trump anti-Hillary talking points. So if some till lately politically apathetic Bernie bros snapchat themselves pulling the Trump lever as performance art as mentioned in another article, they are worth reaching out to? Dream on.
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Why should I believe Hillary represents change from the status quo?
Will she oppose the Trans Pacific Partnership as President? How can I be sure? Will she forcefully argue in detail why she now is against it, in a way which convinces me of her sincerity? Will she explain to the public at large why ISDS (Investor State Dispute System - which puts the power of corporate controlled courts above US democratically elected local, state and federal governments) is an alarming assault on national sovereignty? In a way which will educate the public, and make it's passage so unpopular as to be impossible? I am not holding my breath.
Will she promise not to pick appointees who are from Citibank, Goldman Sachs, Blackrock, or other appointees likely to have banker centric than worker centric policy goals? I doubt it.
Will Hillary refer people to the websites of people like Dean Baker, Joseph Stiglitz, or Robert Kuttner, so they can become educated on economics, and push the discussion towards pragmatic pro-demand policies? I am sure not - because those are not her beliefs.
I supported Bernie, with money, and my vote - not because I am a "fan" or even that he was that great. But he was the only one who stood up against the status quo.
Hillary will not get my vote.
Not out of spite, but because I can see which direction she will pull the economy, and I don't want her, or her likely entourage.
Will she oppose the Trans Pacific Partnership as President? How can I be sure? Will she forcefully argue in detail why she now is against it, in a way which convinces me of her sincerity? Will she explain to the public at large why ISDS (Investor State Dispute System - which puts the power of corporate controlled courts above US democratically elected local, state and federal governments) is an alarming assault on national sovereignty? In a way which will educate the public, and make it's passage so unpopular as to be impossible? I am not holding my breath.
Will she promise not to pick appointees who are from Citibank, Goldman Sachs, Blackrock, or other appointees likely to have banker centric than worker centric policy goals? I doubt it.
Will Hillary refer people to the websites of people like Dean Baker, Joseph Stiglitz, or Robert Kuttner, so they can become educated on economics, and push the discussion towards pragmatic pro-demand policies? I am sure not - because those are not her beliefs.
I supported Bernie, with money, and my vote - not because I am a "fan" or even that he was that great. But he was the only one who stood up against the status quo.
Hillary will not get my vote.
Not out of spite, but because I can see which direction she will pull the economy, and I don't want her, or her likely entourage.
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And you think Trump will fulfill your positions?
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I do not confront you beliefs. I agree we need progress. But please reconsider. Vote against Trump. He will not take the country in the direction you wish.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Do you prefer the direction Donald Trump will pull the economy?
Sanders was unknown before he entered the primaries. He appears to be a bitter 74 year old politician, who before this year was happy to just occupy a seat in the Senate. Is Clinton my favorite choice? No, but life is a series of choices, and we do not always get our way. So Sanders supporters grow up. Your alternative is Mr. Trump, and he is not an acceptable alternative.
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I have lived long enough to know that I don't usually get my way.
However, I also have a responsibility to myself and others NOT to support someone who does NOT support my core values. It is not helpful to continue to promote the status quo. Change, as many know comes at a cost. And change DOES NOT occur when people follow the lemming off the cliff.
Follow Trump or Hillary off the cliff folks.
However, I also have a responsibility to myself and others NOT to support someone who does NOT support my core values. It is not helpful to continue to promote the status quo. Change, as many know comes at a cost. And change DOES NOT occur when people follow the lemming off the cliff.
Follow Trump or Hillary off the cliff folks.
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Got news for you. Clinton is not an acceptable alternative for many of us. I will not vote for Trump, or Clinton. Time for change. I'll vote for a woman, Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party, again.
So you grow up--you're supporting a corrupt, war monger who can't tell the truth. That blind or ignorant loyalty is more an indication of immaturity than my intelligent and informed choice.
So you grow up--you're supporting a corrupt, war monger who can't tell the truth. That blind or ignorant loyalty is more an indication of immaturity than my intelligent and informed choice.
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The NYTimes reverence and subordination to the Clintons continues.
They gently suggest that she commit to running an accountable White House, with greater openness and transparency.
O.k., this is simply laughable. The lady is more paranoid and secretive than Nixon.
She's almost 70 years old! She's NOT going to change, except perhaps for the worse.
Past behavior is the most reliable predictor of future behavior. And Hillary Clinton has a long record of very poor behavior.
They gently suggest that she commit to running an accountable White House, with greater openness and transparency.
O.k., this is simply laughable. The lady is more paranoid and secretive than Nixon.
She's almost 70 years old! She's NOT going to change, except perhaps for the worse.
Past behavior is the most reliable predictor of future behavior. And Hillary Clinton has a long record of very poor behavior.
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OK, Ok, I suppose she does need to woo Sanders voters, but . . . can't those of us who have supported her for years take a brief pause to feel good about what she's accomplished - and about the wonderful advocate for ordinary people that she really is. Look at her detractors now, lining up behind Racist Donald. It should give everyone pause, who these people are who keep up the drum beat of condemnation. This woman is the real deal folks. Sure, let's woo Sanders supporters, but let's also keep in mind who the real winner is.
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Of course party leaders "conspired to deprive [Sanders supporters] of their choice." They used the system to their advantage. And of course media outlets that supported Clinton skewed coverage to take the wind out of Bernie's sails. So Clinton can't convince Bernie supporters that the game wasn't "rigged" because it was! She *can* try to convince them that her policies speak to progressive interests. She could choose a progressive running mate like Warren. (She probably won't do these things because she is not a progressive --- she is an interventionist-skewing-hawkish free market liberal, slightly to the right of most democrats on social issues but left of Republicans and more sane than Trump. And ultimately *this* is what she will campaign on: "not a nut job.")
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The system was in place before the race began. You don't change the rules in midstream.
I have twice voted for Hillary, Her election would be a victory for women and that is groundbreaking. But I sure hope it is not a victory for feminism.. It seems to me that she was more overtly feminist in 2008. I think she is now running a lot more on traditional policy matters than on women's rights. One lesson of Obama's victory was that electing a black man did little to improve rights for blacks. In fact, it is arguable that, since Ferguson, blacks feel more disempowered than did eight years ago. The reason I voted for Hillary in 2008 is the same as this year -- her agenda was far more like mine than any of the other candidates, and her past service makes her a known quantity with the right sentiments. I believer her competence is beyond question. Obama has downplayed his race while in office and when I voted for him in both general elections I was confident that he represented all the people. To the extent that Hillary emphasizes feminism, I think that is divisive. I confess that I am not a champion of feminism because it often seems anti-male. I'll be glad if we elect a woman. That's a great symbol. But feminism, to the extent it is anti-male, does not represent us all. The less of it, the better as far as I'm concerned.
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From a woman: Thank you, I agree. Men, I think, are still an important element in society and I think one of the major problems is that men are seen as less important. Yet in the same breath we are told that men need to take a more active role in some minority communities.
I don't know why I'm not more enthused, I need time to process. If Barak Obama's Presidency was suppossed to transcend race, and 8 years later we have regressed to Donald Trump, (GOP approved) I don't know what this will do. I am a Democrat, but I have the most uneasy feeling about the direction of our country. I never felt like this. We are making history again (better late than never) and you STILL have a young male treated with a privilege that results in a 6 month sentence for rape. That sentence was delivered from another middle aged privileged male. It's the "Haves" and then there's the rest of us. God help us please move forward this time.
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I just wish that the first woman nominee of a major political party did not become famous because she was someone's wife (or daughter). When Eva Peron and Indira Gandhi took over, were those great moments for women too? I don't know. Too bad Elizabeth Warren didn't run. I don't even know who she's married to. . . .
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The only way that Hillary can "address it" is to make Bernie the VP.
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Murray, not sure making Bernie VP (which she will never do because she is too insecure) will not help. Miss HIllary is set in her ways and will only make decisions based on Miss Hillary which means throwing all of Bernie's ideas to the wind. She will NOT allow herself to be seen as weak. Ahh, more wars, more Wall street speeches, more trade agreements all to help the wealthy. Oh, and the lies will continue.
Yes, we need a 74-year-old man as VP, the person 2nd in line to the presidency(!), someone who has no party allegiance and a thin Congressional resume.
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Or you can actually vote for Hillary Clinton who has a record as SOS. R u kidding me. She has no record of success as SOS. She does have a record of breaking rules with complete distain for the right way to conduct government business. I can't stomach her nor can I stomach the complicit press and those Clinton supporters wearing blinders. What about Sanders and/or Biden. The libs r hypocrites, supporting Clinton not Ssnders or yelling for Biden. What a shame .
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Correction: The N Y Times and all other media outlets need to convince Sanders supporters she won fairly. Including me. You clowns think we were born in Kansas. From the looks of it within the Democratic Party, you're probably right.
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Senator Sanders poll results in match against Mr. Trump and the related polling on trust should raise the issue of Sec, Clinton’s electability as she fairs less well in both categories, scoring behind D. Trump in some and even or slight lead in other findings. Sanders hoped that would play in his favor but the underlying assumption was of superdelegates objectivity and he should know better from his years watching the existing political system evolve.
Now the voters, informed and uninformed, will have their day and that is what is called democracy. Have faith in your people to elect someone as presidential as the flow before.
OMG!
Now the voters, informed and uninformed, will have their day and that is what is called democracy. Have faith in your people to elect someone as presidential as the flow before.
OMG!
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Fair exchange: Clinton 's Wall Street Transcripts for 5 Years of Trump's Complete Tax Returns.
Fair Exchange: Mea Culpas from Hillary for Clinton Foundation, E-Mail Server, and for being married to Philanderer Bill Clinton in exchange for Mea Culpas from Trump for Trump Foundation, Trump University, and for being the Philanderer.
Now, let's hear debates on the issues.
Fair Exchange: Mea Culpas from Hillary for Clinton Foundation, E-Mail Server, and for being married to Philanderer Bill Clinton in exchange for Mea Culpas from Trump for Trump Foundation, Trump University, and for being the Philanderer.
Now, let's hear debates on the issues.
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Trump can only rant, because he is a psychopath. He is incapable of substantive debate.
Congratulations Madam Secretary. My, wholehearted, best wishes for the upcoming campaign. I also wish you luck. As outlined in this editorial, there are many challenges ahead. Before the election of our first African American President, I was naive enough to think that their would be men and women of good faith, who would put the best interests of our country ahead of partisan power politics. I was not prepared for the ferocity of the attacks our first black President would face. Luckily, our first, potential, female President has faced that ferocity, head on, her whole political career and no one has shown themselves more prepared. I only wish your Republican competition were a more worthy candidate. The first thing they will say is "Of course she won, look who the competition was".
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Though Bernie Sander's assault on Hillary was overt political drama, the hatred and assault of Bernie's supporters comes from a place of embarrassing ignorance. Republican strategists have worked for 20 years refining the talking points to assault Hillary...liar, dishonest, crooked, selfish rip-off etc. That Bernie began adapting them to his stump speech after the second debate was a desperate attempt to bring her down. The game changed. His mass of supporters immediately began hurtling the Republican carefully crafted assault points at Hillary..."liar, thief. more status quo, can't be trusted" etc. If they knew anything about Hillary by simply following her in the media for years, they would know their derisive assault was simply not true. The email insanity and Goldman Sach's speeches were used to taint the reputation of this remarkable woman way beyond any meaningful assessment of her long history serving America. They didn't even know the Republicans were laughing at them in the background because the legitimized the Republican assault out of their ignorance.
The most troubling aspect of this is the fact that Bernie created this false and mean-spirited narrative. It completely erased the person I had been supporting since he was Burlington's mayor.
Hillary triumphed in spite of Bernie manipulating his masses and she did it without Super Delegates. It doesn't make any difference if he wins or loses California. He lost a lot of integrity either way.
The most troubling aspect of this is the fact that Bernie created this false and mean-spirited narrative. It completely erased the person I had been supporting since he was Burlington's mayor.
Hillary triumphed in spite of Bernie manipulating his masses and she did it without Super Delegates. It doesn't make any difference if he wins or loses California. He lost a lot of integrity either way.
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Well, first, she did it with super delegates.
And second, I am always baffled by commenters who suggest that Bernie supporters have fallen for the Republican attacks on Hillary. Wrong. Bernie supporters have looked at her record and drawn their own conclusions. Face facts, please. She did these things herself (e.g., lied about the emails and server, used the server In the first place, collected millions in paid speeches for which she won't release transcripts despite repeated calls from voters, distorted Bernie's record and votes, Libya, smears on other women who, in fact, were telling the truth about her husband, etc.). Did the Republicans make her and Bill give paid speeches to the tune of 150 million? I didn't think so. Ask yourself the same question about any of the items I've listed. She made these decisions and took these actions herself. Nothing to do with Republicans.
And second, I am always baffled by commenters who suggest that Bernie supporters have fallen for the Republican attacks on Hillary. Wrong. Bernie supporters have looked at her record and drawn their own conclusions. Face facts, please. She did these things herself (e.g., lied about the emails and server, used the server In the first place, collected millions in paid speeches for which she won't release transcripts despite repeated calls from voters, distorted Bernie's record and votes, Libya, smears on other women who, in fact, were telling the truth about her husband, etc.). Did the Republicans make her and Bill give paid speeches to the tune of 150 million? I didn't think so. Ask yourself the same question about any of the items I've listed. She made these decisions and took these actions herself. Nothing to do with Republicans.
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Read the comments. If you still believe all you wrote above, so be it. But then you must understand the diversity of the human mind and perceptions. We're not bots, and we're not bitter. We are alienated and angry, and, we feel, justifiably so, because of a corrupt Democratic machine.
Read the comments from Bernie supporters. Then see if there is any common ground.
Really, it is time that America had a multi=party system.
Read the comments from Bernie supporters. Then see if there is any common ground.
Really, it is time that America had a multi=party system.
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Bernie is proving that he is no friend of the Democratic Party.
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The young aren't the only ones disappointed in the Democratic Party and Democratic voters. They have just given us four more years of bandaids when the patient, the Middle Class, is hemorrhaging and our Congress will do nothing because they are all bought and paid for and scared of displeasing the corporate donors for their re-election bids. The party of FDR is dead. Let us eat cake.
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In the midst of her life, Hillary Clinton is triumphing, almost declaring herself as the Democratic nominee for the Presidency. In the midst of her life, Mrs. Clinton is also carrying burdens and nightmare baggage that would collapse a caravan of camels in the desert. Mrs. Clinton's heart and soul are in her candidacy, and if she wins the Presidency she will triumph over all the naysayers and founding fathers who didn't allow women to vote and saw women as the comfort of warriors (read politicians) and bearers and birthers of their children. the next generation. And if Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn't win the Presidency (all things are possible in this strange hinge of history we are dangling on), we can be sure her voice will be heard above all others in support of the President, whomever he may be.
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I am sorry but this is just not acceptable. If she were a man there would not be any question that she is the nominee. For the younger women voters who are enamored with Sanders, just wait until you pass your 30s and 40s, get married and have kids or do whatever you want..... only then will you will really understand that America is not a place for women to pursue career and family. I am a woman, I am 51% of the population, I have experienced horrible discrimination in the workplace, and I hope that SHE wins. Go Hillary!
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Your insinuations are not acceptable. Those of us who find Hillary unacceptable are well-read, widely read voters. I am 51% of the population, too, and I am ashamed of this uncritical thinking of perhaps the worst woman, except for Palin, who has ever come close to running for president.
Clinton is a weird mirror for women who see only her gender--Hillary has NOT had the same work issues as most working-class and middle-class working women have had. It is sad to see so many women perceiving her as some weird projection--oh, of course she knows about the discrimination; but not in the daily work-day world sense. Not any more.
Clinton is a weird mirror for women who see only her gender--Hillary has NOT had the same work issues as most working-class and middle-class working women have had. It is sad to see so many women perceiving her as some weird projection--oh, of course she knows about the discrimination; but not in the daily work-day world sense. Not any more.
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"...Many in this newest generation of American voters say that they don’t trust her, or that she represents a Washington disconnected from their struggles. They backed Bernie Sanders and his demand that government provide health care, education and opportunity for everyone."
The coming election doesn't have to be a nail biter. After all, Hillary will be opposed to the Donald.
All she has to do to is pledge to do what Bernie promised to do:"provide health care, education and opportunity for everyone."
That's not hard to do. The rest of the civilized world does it. And for good mesure, add a 15$ minimum wage. And break up the too big to fail banks. Their separate components will do just fine, in fact, they'll thrive. Independents and ordinary folks who usually vote GOP will come over to her because those changes will impact them directly.
OK, maybe some 1%ers or .01% will be upset. But, if their campaign contributions were just that, and not down paiements on bribery, who cares? Let them vote for Trump.
That is the way to a land slide victory. a real, easy, "yuge" victory for the people.
The coming election doesn't have to be a nail biter. After all, Hillary will be opposed to the Donald.
All she has to do to is pledge to do what Bernie promised to do:"provide health care, education and opportunity for everyone."
That's not hard to do. The rest of the civilized world does it. And for good mesure, add a 15$ minimum wage. And break up the too big to fail banks. Their separate components will do just fine, in fact, they'll thrive. Independents and ordinary folks who usually vote GOP will come over to her because those changes will impact them directly.
OK, maybe some 1%ers or .01% will be upset. But, if their campaign contributions were just that, and not down paiements on bribery, who cares? Let them vote for Trump.
That is the way to a land slide victory. a real, easy, "yuge" victory for the people.
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William, have you ever heard of anyone pledging something and then changing their mind. This describes Hillary to a T. Hillary cannot be trusted. She will pig headed follow her own Republican lite policies. (More backing for Wall Street, more wars, more trade agreements.) She needs a lot more money from Wall Street. (Sorry, that is insulting to pigs). She left the White House in "poverty", remember?
So now we have a former Republican running as a Democrat and a former Democrat running as a Republican. What an interesting year.
The good news is the Republican congress will be as they are now obstructionists.
So now we have a former Republican running as a Democrat and a former Democrat running as a Republican. What an interesting year.
The good news is the Republican congress will be as they are now obstructionists.
Anyone who identifies with progressive values and would vote for Trump because they don't like Clinton is a fool.
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