Starr is stripped of his Presidency for not adequately investigating sexual assault claims...Hmmm, only an Iron Worker could truly appreciate the MANY different "irony" jokes going through my head right now.
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Will wonders ever cease? I once taught at a well-known private Christian university. While I was there, a couple of students decided that in lieu of sexual intercourse, they would engage in oral sex. The female counterpart, feeling guilty, confided in her roommate as to what she and her boyfriend had been doing. Well, the roommate told the powers that be what was going on between these two and guess who got expelled from the university? That's right: the girlfriend! Her boyfriend who was president of the Student Association got to stay on. Double standards abound everywhere, but it is especially egregious when it happens between those who profess Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Irony classic.
Glad to hear that, as chancellor, he'll be charged with fostering religious liberty. He's been so consistent on his religious principles I'm sure he'll do a bang up job.
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Too little, too late. Young athletes attend college to play...NOT to get an education. It is an insult to academics and a tragedy for them . All of these college sports teams should be managed as minor leagues and the players should be paid. Sports at the University level have nothing to do with educaton which supposedly is the mission of the, school. The repression, hypocrisy and denial at religious institutions is abhorrent to behold ... especially the Baptists and Catholic ones. The abuse within these institutions is systemic so the actions taken were a mere slap on the wrist... these individuals should be in jail.
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This is Texas, where football is a religion.
Does nobody see the irony of the morally-superior person who led the charge against Clinton's sexual indiscretions now being charged with far more heinous malfeasance?
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Starr is still teaching at Baylor so the double standard is alive and well- where are the girls who exposed this behavior- run off? "ruined"? So "religious liberty" ala Starr is now revealed to be the same old pious fog machine that protects an agenda, not principles. As usual the girls pay.
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It is unfathomable that Ken Starr remains at Baylor and in it's second highest administrative position--and, yes, with even more direct responsibility for the athletic program.
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I humbly suggest that the Baylor Board of Regents appoint Kenneth Starr to an endowed chair of Ethics and Morals at their law school.
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This makes me furious. Third paragraph states that Starr will continue as Baylor’s chancellor, which is “centered around development and religious liberty”. This “religious liberty” is a euphemism for blaming the victim if she “invited it” by drinking, having premarital sex, wearing scanty clothes, etc.
None of this is obvious until you read the last two paragraphs:
“In 1985, Baylor received a partial exemption to Title IX for several policies that it said conflicted with its sincerely held religious beliefs, such as condemnation of “premarital unchastity.”
“The report released on Thursday found that Baylor’s religiously informed outlook on drug use, alcohol and premarital sex made accusers fearful of coming forward.”
None of this is obvious until you read the last two paragraphs:
“In 1985, Baylor received a partial exemption to Title IX for several policies that it said conflicted with its sincerely held religious beliefs, such as condemnation of “premarital unchastity.”
“The report released on Thursday found that Baylor’s religiously informed outlook on drug use, alcohol and premarital sex made accusers fearful of coming forward.”
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Karma is sooo annoying, schadenfreude reigns...
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Move along. Nothing to see here. Just another "institute of higher learning" giving in to their big time football program.
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All that any and all educational institutions should be required, or even permitted, to do when these matters come to their attention, is to promptly report to law enforcement and assist them as required. Then, if there is a conviction, they should exercise a firm policy that the convicted student is automatically expelled, and may never return. That is IT. Let us not attempt to make our colleges and universities "tribunals", they are not equipped for it, are not courts of law, and they have more important work to do.
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The IRS requires that the salaries of the highest paid 25 employees of a non-profit be listed on the organizations Form 990, which is available to the public.
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One word: Schadenfreude.
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So that was Bill Clinton's big mistake: he didn't play football for Baylor.
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It's simple. Institutions of higher learning should not be allowed to handle allegations of sexual assault or any other criminal activity. It is a clear conflict of interest and they are not in the business of law enforcement. How many people have to suffer before we fix this nationwide?
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And why is the President not being fired? The level corruption of Division 1 status in college athletics is disgusting.
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As a Baylor graduate who was appalled at the appointment of Ken Starr as president and then saddened by the reports of sexual assaults by athletes and of recruitment of athletes known to have been charged elsewhere with sexual assaults, I am tremendously heartened by the report of Starr's demotion and Briles's firing. What is wanting, however, is a report of Starr's dismissal. Let us all look forward to reading that the man apparently hired to investigate illicit financial dealings by our former president but who instead wallowed in the press coverage of the regrettable mess of Pres. Clinton's fling in the Lewinsky affair has resigned or been fired. No doubt he can find a convivial slot for self-righteous hypocrites elsewhere. Good luck, Ken.
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We knew he was a self-righteous hypocrite back then. This really casts a poor light on the culture at Baylor that all he gets is a slap on the wrist for ignoring rapes. I won't be encouraging any kids to go to this institution of higher buck passing.
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Ken Starr, as independent counsel dripped unctuous smarm in his claimed need to provide minute pornographic details of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, because: "the details are crucial to an informed evaluation of the testimony."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/w...
After all, this was right for such a self righteous man.
According to ESPN, the Pepper Hamilton results were presented orally to Baylor and the released written report consists of only a basic summary, lacking in any specifics.
So much for the details being crucial, though from this we can conclude that hypocrite is a good bookend to describe self righteous, unctuous, smarmy Ken Starr.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/w...
After all, this was right for such a self righteous man.
According to ESPN, the Pepper Hamilton results were presented orally to Baylor and the released written report consists of only a basic summary, lacking in any specifics.
So much for the details being crucial, though from this we can conclude that hypocrite is a good bookend to describe self righteous, unctuous, smarmy Ken Starr.
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Violence against women is an epidemic nationally, and particularly on college campuses, where for so long allegations against enabled athletes have not been taken seriously enough. College coaches often see and run their teams as exclusive clubs not to be trifled with. They are families, and indiscretions are dealt with internally. Loyalty to players is treated as more valuable than the safety of others.
The sport has finally reached a point where this mindset is no longer tolerated, with growing awareness about sexual assault leading to increased scrutiny of how institutions handle accusations. Baylor had no choice but to fire Briles. But just because there is finally more scrutiny does not mean that the problem of sexual violence is going to resolved, or that colleges are anywhere close to getting where they need to be.
Allegations against Baylor football players were dealt with internally. Alleged victims were discouraged from coming forward. The university had inadequate mechanisms in place for Title IX compliance. Football coaches not trained to investigate such serious accusations took it upon themselves to deal with them and prevent others from knowing. Background checks for transfer players with dicey histories were ignored.
We need better education and awareness regarding sexual violence.
The sport has finally reached a point where this mindset is no longer tolerated, with growing awareness about sexual assault leading to increased scrutiny of how institutions handle accusations. Baylor had no choice but to fire Briles. But just because there is finally more scrutiny does not mean that the problem of sexual violence is going to resolved, or that colleges are anywhere close to getting where they need to be.
Allegations against Baylor football players were dealt with internally. Alleged victims were discouraged from coming forward. The university had inadequate mechanisms in place for Title IX compliance. Football coaches not trained to investigate such serious accusations took it upon themselves to deal with them and prevent others from knowing. Background checks for transfer players with dicey histories were ignored.
We need better education and awareness regarding sexual violence.
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For Ken Starr, the chickens have come home to roost.
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This is the height of hypocrisy. Spend millions of American dollars on a political witch hunt, but turn your back on the very young people who need your adult support and caring. Ironic that his failings were revealed in a report by an Independent Counsel.
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Who thinks Ken Starr is going to offer up a similar apology to Monica Lewinsky?
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Kenneth Starr had no qualms about collateral wreckage of lives on his quest to find something, anything, for Republicans to impeach Bill Clinton with. The destruction Starr imposed on Monica Lewinsky's life was profound and persists to this day.
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I have no connection to Baylor or Texas, but what's gone on at Baylor goes on at many universities. The notion that young women are the ones who need to protect themselves from predation has been criticized, and I agree that somehow a lot of college age men have missed some education about restraint and empathy. On the other hand, no one seems to argue with the warning about drinking and driving. How about a warning, "Don't drink and party with football players."
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I think we need a special prosecutor to investigate Starr, with a budget of $70 million
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When will the NFL receive the same independent scrutiny?
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Any University that sponsors football or other sports with scholarships for those who could never get admitted otherwise is an affront to all intelligent Americans! Plus, they turn out unintelligent and violent used-up athletes.
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Starr should be fired as well, but Baylor won't do that.....shameful
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Well, François de La Rochefoucauld comes to mind here: "Hypocrisy is the complement vice pays to virtue."
Ah hypocrisy...
Ah hypocrisy...
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The blatant hypocrisy of religious "leaders" and politicians continue to astound me.
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If Kenneth Starr has been removed as president of Baylor University why would they decide to keep him on as chancellor and professor at the law school? He should be sent packing.
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At least Mr. Starr hasn't played the I've-been-forgiven-for-my-sins card - yet.
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true. He should call Jimmy Swaggart for advice.
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What???? Kenneth Starr is still drawing a paycheck from Baylor.
If ever there was a campus in dire need of a good old fashioned student "sit-in," it is at Baylor -- starting tomorrow morning!!
If ever there was a campus in dire need of a good old fashioned student "sit-in," it is at Baylor -- starting tomorrow morning!!
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It is sickening that Baylor finds it acceptable for Kenneth Starr to remain in any paid capacity or to have any official affiliation with the institution.
Mr. Starr's new chancellor position is “centered around development and religious liberty" - what a farce!
And he will remain a law professor... What kind of ethical standard will that instill in Baylor students?
Where is the accountability?
Baylor's decision on this defies all good reason and moral responsibility.
Did the Clinton's broker this sweet deal for Starr in exchange for his recent about face to support them?
Maybe we all just need to follow the money...
Mr. Starr's new chancellor position is “centered around development and religious liberty" - what a farce!
And he will remain a law professor... What kind of ethical standard will that instill in Baylor students?
Where is the accountability?
Baylor's decision on this defies all good reason and moral responsibility.
Did the Clinton's broker this sweet deal for Starr in exchange for his recent about face to support them?
Maybe we all just need to follow the money...
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Really doubt the clintons are helping Ken Starr!
Because you know, football is more important than sexually assaulted women. I love football but hate the culture that allows football players to assault women and get away with it.
And Kenneth Starr, LOL. First he got the cushy job with the university in California, was it Pepperdine? Then he had to leave and went to Baylor. Now even a Texas university has ethics and has demoted him. How does one get demoted from president? He should be fired. Starr was always just out for glory and now he's going downhill fast. Good riddance.
And Kenneth Starr, LOL. First he got the cushy job with the university in California, was it Pepperdine? Then he had to leave and went to Baylor. Now even a Texas university has ethics and has demoted him. How does one get demoted from president? He should be fired. Starr was always just out for glory and now he's going downhill fast. Good riddance.
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High profile college athletic programs have nothing to do with education - the athlete's or the school's. Most schools find that fielding these athletes, associated staff, and facilities is a money loser; and can only be justified as affording some national prominence to the university. Too many of these athlete "students" have no business being in a university; and with few exceptions, gain little for the experience towards a post college career.
It's hoop and goal post dreams; followed by a lifelong nightmare.
It's hoop and goal post dreams; followed by a lifelong nightmare.
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Could their be a better definition of irony.
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Why is it that today's "Christians" are the most stalwart supporters of the most violent aspects of our culture? And why do they, over and over again, support and help create cultural mores that treat not only women, but minorities, gays and lesbians, the environment, and the poor as acceptable sacrifices to the idols of big business? "Christian" used to mean nuns going to El Salvador to work with the poor, the Berrigan brothers putting their lives on the line to protest the VietNam war. Sorry to the real Christians out there, but in my mind you are synomous with violence, greed, 1% politics, unleashed gun violence, intolerance, predatory football players, assaults on the environment, big game hunting, and so much more...Many years ago, I attended church. Not anymore.
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A. Rand classified it/them as "witch doctors"
Have to agree. Nothing scares me more than those vociferously "proclaiming" they are "born again(s)." No matter how convoluted or contrived, zealots can rationalize what they do: "for the collective good."
BTW, although my faith is shaken - man's inhumanity to man - I still believe there is hope for us.
Have to agree. Nothing scares me more than those vociferously "proclaiming" they are "born again(s)." No matter how convoluted or contrived, zealots can rationalize what they do: "for the collective good."
BTW, although my faith is shaken - man's inhumanity to man - I still believe there is hope for us.
What a fantastic turn of events!
The witch hunter becomes target of justifiable witch hunt.
The witch hunter becomes target of justifiable witch hunt.
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The hypocrisy burns.
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RE: Kenneth Star:
What goes around ... .
What goes around ... .
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Baptist Ken Starr meet Buddhist karma
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I wish hypocrisy was a crime that was prosecutable. The smile on this man's face in the picture accompanying this report says it all.
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In the dictionary next to the word Hypocrite you'll find a picture of Kenneth Star.
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I guess Dennis Hastert deserves a page all to himself!
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Travesty - where is the accountability? He was in charge of a system which subverted the law - students were harmed! How is he teaching law after this? How is he not facing criminal charges? Where is Baylor's leadership's moral code? This is beyond belief! What would Starr be saying if it Bill Clinton presided over this mess??
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It's not the first time he has mishandled sexual assault cases.
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Can colleges please please get back to the business of educating their students. This ridiculous pattern of obscene salaries for coaches and a loose hold on athletes plays out time and time again. And to what advantage? Academic facilities deteriorate while the stadiums become the new cathedral to worship.
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Poor man doesn't know which way to jump - with Billy he was a zealot, hypocrite and at Baylor he is a sexist. Ovey
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Separate so-called "amateur athletics" from a college education and the problem ends. Universities should be for education, including physical education for all students, with athletic competition limited to intramural activities. The football "revenue" mentioned in the story generally does not exceed expenses, except for the most successful "programs" and "regular" students make up the difference through "activities" fees. The coaches and administrators soak up the "revenue."
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Baylor Board of Dirctors, you still let Kenneth Starr collect a paycheck? What is wrong with you?
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I love the smell of karma in the morning.....
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Many years ago, a young woman called to ask if I would donate to my old school. She knew my major and asked what I was doing with it. Educating teens to the risks of sexual and domestic abuse. She immediately disclosed to me her sister had been raped by a football player on our team, but didn't want the young man to get in trouble or make the school mad at her.
I told her she should NEVER force a victim to seek help or disclouse without her consent, but her sister was never to blame and she does not owe the school or the rapist anything but contempt for feeling she should also hold on to their shame.
Then I wrote my football coach and disclosed my experience, and I'll be damned if he didn't bring Mary Koss into his fold to participate in a study of sexual aggression. The team answered questions about where the line is drawn when sex turns to rape. With their identities protected, they were still furious to learn you can't have sex with passed out persons or force your partner to act beyond their own limits once engaged without committing rape.
I want us all to know some football coaches consider their duty lies beyond lying for rapists. In the case of my team;s coach. he did what he could considering the reluctance of the victim to hold her rapist to account.
These men are not men, they are monsters.
I told her she should NEVER force a victim to seek help or disclouse without her consent, but her sister was never to blame and she does not owe the school or the rapist anything but contempt for feeling she should also hold on to their shame.
Then I wrote my football coach and disclosed my experience, and I'll be damned if he didn't bring Mary Koss into his fold to participate in a study of sexual aggression. The team answered questions about where the line is drawn when sex turns to rape. With their identities protected, they were still furious to learn you can't have sex with passed out persons or force your partner to act beyond their own limits once engaged without committing rape.
I want us all to know some football coaches consider their duty lies beyond lying for rapists. In the case of my team;s coach. he did what he could considering the reluctance of the victim to hold her rapist to account.
These men are not men, they are monsters.
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And Ken Starr stays on as Chancellor! Baylor University have you no shame?
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What goes round, comes round.
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The larger question is does the elevated role of college football belong in the university setting? These current players are essentially making a living playing football waiting and seeking a place in the NFL. Too many college players do not complete a degree. The players relationships with students are different. Some students admire them and would do anything to be a friend. To often that results in poor outcomes.
Does the cost of big time football fit with the university goals? I am not sure it does.
Does the cost of big time football fit with the university goals? I am not sure it does.
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How ironic.
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Karma is a funny thing.
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Ironic, isn't it? They guy who prosecutes Clinton allows rapists to get away with just that -- and gets a cushy job and gets lots of GOP rich guys contributing to a program seeded with the prospect of Big Time trouble.
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It is rather ironic that Ken Starr--of all people--would be demoted for failing to investigate a sexual assault case with enough vigor and energy. One case he gets attacked by the left for investigating and pursuing too much, the other he is demoted for doing too little. Hmmm, which way is it going to be?
What goes around ,comes around, Impeach Starr!
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• Mr. Starr’s demotion delivered a twist to the biography of a man whose reputation was built on what many considered an overzealous pursuit of allegations of sexual transgressions by Mr. Clinton.
"Only the chaste are truly obscene." - Joris-Karl Huysmans
"Only the chaste are truly obscene." - Joris-Karl Huysmans
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These schools and corporations that claim "sincerely held" religious beliefs tend to be the most hypocritical.
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If I had a daughter at that school, I would get her out immediately. In truth, the shakeup should probably be larger. it was well known that this school recruited very troubled and dangerous young men to play football. The awful irony of it all! Geez!
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My strong hunch is that Coach Briles had almost nothing in the way of guidance from the university on how to respond to allegations of sexual abuse in a way that is - not just consistent with university values - but with the procedural and substantive requirements of Title IX.
Why do I think this? Just read Pepper Hamilton. According to Pepper Hamilton: "The Administrators tasked with implementing Title IX ... had a limited understanding of the dynamics of sexual violence and existing barriers to reporting on Baylor's campus, including the impact of other campus policies regarding the prohibition of alcohol and extra-marital sexual intercourse." The report is replete with instances of Baylor's inadequacies under Title IX.
Why this institutional failure? Partly because sexual misconduct wasn't supposed to happen there; the university's own standards were perceived as far more demanding than anything contemplated in Title IX.
The problem: times have changed and Baylor has yet to change with them. For one thing, Baylor will almost certainly begin to question whether the price of excellence in football invariably imposes risks like those encountered here, or whether Baylor can differentiate itself in some way and excel but eliminate the risks, or reduce them to some acceptable level.
Why do I think this? Just read Pepper Hamilton. According to Pepper Hamilton: "The Administrators tasked with implementing Title IX ... had a limited understanding of the dynamics of sexual violence and existing barriers to reporting on Baylor's campus, including the impact of other campus policies regarding the prohibition of alcohol and extra-marital sexual intercourse." The report is replete with instances of Baylor's inadequacies under Title IX.
Why this institutional failure? Partly because sexual misconduct wasn't supposed to happen there; the university's own standards were perceived as far more demanding than anything contemplated in Title IX.
The problem: times have changed and Baylor has yet to change with them. For one thing, Baylor will almost certainly begin to question whether the price of excellence in football invariably imposes risks like those encountered here, or whether Baylor can differentiate itself in some way and excel but eliminate the risks, or reduce them to some acceptable level.
As one who was interviewed by the high and mighty righteous Kenneth Starr back in the day, I found his recent befriending of Bill Clinton curious at best. It is odd that one who so doggedly pursued the Clintons'scandals could publicly have a change of heart.
Now I see it had nothing to do with his heart, or conscience. In the face of his blatant self-serving failure to support college women victims of sexual assault at the campus where he presided, his new found camaraderie with the Clintons makes perfect sense. At least to him, and probably them. He likely sought their advice (for the price of his turnabout) on how to maneuver to keep his job and his paycheck, despite the titular tuck.
There is something yet to be said about men and women who have the mental capacity to weave creative rationalizations to justify their bad acts. It seems like good game. When they succeed in protecting their lucrative public persona, positions, and pocketbooks at the expense of others, the media and society credit them. Who cares that they denigrate and re-victimize individuals who were wrongfully taken advantage of or sexually assaulted by them or under their watch? Apparently Kenneth Starr borrowed a page out of the Clinton playbook, and it worked.
But that "something" still hovers overhead. Truth is the great equalizer. The triumph of what is good over what is evil.
Now I see it had nothing to do with his heart, or conscience. In the face of his blatant self-serving failure to support college women victims of sexual assault at the campus where he presided, his new found camaraderie with the Clintons makes perfect sense. At least to him, and probably them. He likely sought their advice (for the price of his turnabout) on how to maneuver to keep his job and his paycheck, despite the titular tuck.
There is something yet to be said about men and women who have the mental capacity to weave creative rationalizations to justify their bad acts. It seems like good game. When they succeed in protecting their lucrative public persona, positions, and pocketbooks at the expense of others, the media and society credit them. Who cares that they denigrate and re-victimize individuals who were wrongfully taken advantage of or sexually assaulted by them or under their watch? Apparently Kenneth Starr borrowed a page out of the Clinton playbook, and it worked.
But that "something" still hovers overhead. Truth is the great equalizer. The triumph of what is good over what is evil.
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How ironic. The man who relentlessly attacked Bill Clinton for a sexual faux-pas is now in trouble over failure to deal with sexual issues within his own camp.
I thought I had heard and seen the last of this viciously partisan hypocrite and hope this is his last hurrah.
I thought I had heard and seen the last of this viciously partisan hypocrite and hope this is his last hurrah.
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Even the law firm hired to massage an "internal investigation" indicts Star. But he is kept on? What moral solicitude on the part of the Baptists.
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It is truly wonderful when people like Starr get called out during their lifetime. His patina of religiosity has been shorn publicly. What did he not understand about coveting his neighbor's goods and loving the same community resident. As President of a self described religious institution what did he understand about 'the least of these my children'? His pursuit of President Clinton and Mrs Clinton nearly twenty years ago was with the attitude of an infallible, holy, anointed prophet put here to right perceived wrongs. He lost that attitude at the gates of Baylor and under the influence of Baylor alumni and disbursements. Another deceitful, incompetent leader sacrificing the assault of at least one woman for the good name of Baylor. We know that this is the tip of a huge iceberg.
He now sucks up to the Clintons, appearing to bless them as greatest products since sliced bread. I am enjoying the whole spectacle and am using this to show my sixteen year old that living on principles of honesty (right and wrong) is tough but has benefits. Here is a big time attorney, in the face of proven criminality, unable to make a decision which admits to the truthfulness of a customer's rape by a Baylor team rapist. I hope that he pays further for overseeing this intentional derogation of a student and foregoes any offer that may come for the erection of a statue on campus.
He now sucks up to the Clintons, appearing to bless them as greatest products since sliced bread. I am enjoying the whole spectacle and am using this to show my sixteen year old that living on principles of honesty (right and wrong) is tough but has benefits. Here is a big time attorney, in the face of proven criminality, unable to make a decision which admits to the truthfulness of a customer's rape by a Baylor team rapist. I hope that he pays further for overseeing this intentional derogation of a student and foregoes any offer that may come for the erection of a statue on campus.
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Mr. Starr said in a statement to news organizations: “I join the Board of Regents and the Senior Administration of the University in expressing heartfelt contrition for the tragedy and sadness that has unfolded. To those victims who were not treated with the care, concern, and support they deserve, I am profoundly sorry.”
Am I missing something here?
Am I missing something here?
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Starr needs to go, too. He's no less complicit than his bozo football coach. Shades of Joe Paterno and company here. No hallelujahs for Baylor in my book.
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No hypocrite greater than a holier-than-thou hypocrite.
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Baylor is pretty righteous institution. Ken Starr, not so much. Self-righteous, more like.
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The pressure to win in College Sports is too great.
Students of dubious pasts and poor educational backgrounds are recruited
as Freshman and then suppose they are above the law.
Each College should have an investigator who is not beholden to the
Athletic Department or President and who fights unrelentingly for those
students abused by so called student-athletes.
Students of dubious pasts and poor educational backgrounds are recruited
as Freshman and then suppose they are above the law.
Each College should have an investigator who is not beholden to the
Athletic Department or President and who fights unrelentingly for those
students abused by so called student-athletes.
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Alternate headline: 'Baylor Law School students pay heavy price for University leadership's burying of rape scandal.'
It would appear that tone deafness runs deep at Baylor. I give Starr a month in his new role before an exodus of students lands him in the physical plant.
It would appear that tone deafness runs deep at Baylor. I give Starr a month in his new role before an exodus of students lands him in the physical plant.
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Ken Starr should stop focusing on Bill Clinton's post-presidential redemption and think about the hard work needed towards his own. Baylor needs to cut its football program down to size obey the law.
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Why is there no discussion about leveling the death penalty against the look the other way, forget about our Christian values cuz we're going to the BCS playoff bowl game football team?
If I had to compare Bill Clinton's significant transgressions while in office against Kenneth Starr's while he is in office at Baylor, I'd put Mr. Starr's as a worse offense: these were not consenting adults at Baylor. This was rape.
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I think that the paradigm of the large research university selling its soul to get the revenue from big football to support an ever expanding infrastructure that leads it further and further away from its mission is working out great. Our financial educational healthcare moral legal and political institutions will continue to flourish as the fruit of this tree enters them.
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Not a big surprise, most people I've known that wear their religious or moral beliefs on their sleeves were some of the most corrupt or immoral people I've met. At the very least some of the more misguided. What made it worse was that it was in corporate situations.
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Baptists, or any fundamentalist, evangelical dogmatists are disgusting.
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How can an arrogant hypocrite like Starr be allowed to so much as walk on that, or any other campus? Are we so stupid, blind, or gullible, or is it just a matter of money?
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Why does rape fall under the jurisdiction of a college or university? If there was a murder on campus one would not leave it up to the school to investigate it nor would the school have the right to decide the punishment of the murderer.
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This is why we considered only colleges without athletic programs for our daughters.
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The ironic exploitation of religious precepts to the disadvantage of victims at Baylor is disturbingly similar to the "honor code" problem of rapists getting away with their crimes at BYU.
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"The report released on Thursday found that Baylor’s religiously informed outlook on drug use, alcohol and premarital sex made accusers fearful of coming forward."
Let's have an article on this paragraph.
Let's have an article on this paragraph.
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How can this tool still teach law at Baylor ? He let women get raped with no punishment ? He was President of University and had no idea what was going on ?
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How can Ken Starr continued to be associated with Baylor? I can only guess that some big time donor - or potential donor - is running interference. But why? How can you shield him after what has come out? Who, and at what price would someone fall on their sword for this guy right now? Maybe Baylor is afraid of what he might say if he wasn't protected. I think we would all like to know the back story on this one.
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If the Baptists wanted someone guaranteed to bungle a case involving sexual improprieties, then it was sheer genius to hire Ken Starr. With President Clinton, he was like Inspector Javert, relentlessly hounding him over a regrettable but inconsequential fling. Now, at Baylor, he turns into Sergeant Schultz from "Hogan's Heroes": "I see noseenk! Noseenk!" This miserable excuse for a human being deserved all the shame and disgrace that can be heaped upon him.
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You know, I agree with the comments about the need for a safe learning environment for all students. I think the same goes for all interns. My daughter is going to intern this summer.
If the CEO becomes sexually involved with her, I would say that he is creating a hostile working environment. Sooner or later, the other female interns and employees are going to find out. And then what will they say if my daughter advanced and they didn't? Also, as a group, the young women might feel devalued. (As is happening where my wife works and the boss flirts with all the 20 somethings and spends much more time mentoring the pretty ones.)
You know where I am going. Come on feminists! Come on progressives! The power imbalance in the White House was huge. It really isn't right to call it "consensual" in any fair sense. It was sexual exploitation.
What Bill did was wrong. So stop trying to defend it. You know if some brass over at the Pentagon did the same thing with an intern, these pages would be screaming, "Off with his head!"
True, Ken Starr didn't handle it right back then and he didn't handle things right now. But Ken's mistakes do not excuse Clinton. In the name of all this is progressive, stop defending Bill. His actions were disgraceful.
Or do we not want Ken, the Republicans, and the Baptists to be the only ones hypocritical on this issue?
If the CEO becomes sexually involved with her, I would say that he is creating a hostile working environment. Sooner or later, the other female interns and employees are going to find out. And then what will they say if my daughter advanced and they didn't? Also, as a group, the young women might feel devalued. (As is happening where my wife works and the boss flirts with all the 20 somethings and spends much more time mentoring the pretty ones.)
You know where I am going. Come on feminists! Come on progressives! The power imbalance in the White House was huge. It really isn't right to call it "consensual" in any fair sense. It was sexual exploitation.
What Bill did was wrong. So stop trying to defend it. You know if some brass over at the Pentagon did the same thing with an intern, these pages would be screaming, "Off with his head!"
True, Ken Starr didn't handle it right back then and he didn't handle things right now. But Ken's mistakes do not excuse Clinton. In the name of all this is progressive, stop defending Bill. His actions were disgraceful.
Or do we not want Ken, the Republicans, and the Baptists to be the only ones hypocritical on this issue?
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“This investigation revealed the University’s mishandling of reports in what should have been a supportive, responsive and caring environment for students.”
Doesn't this also accurately describe what Hillary Clinton and the formidable team of Clinton lawyers and pitchmen, together with the entire Democrat Party establishment, did to fend off the consequences of Bill Clinton's activities?
Doesn't this also accurately describe what Hillary Clinton and the formidable team of Clinton lawyers and pitchmen, together with the entire Democrat Party establishment, did to fend off the consequences of Bill Clinton's activities?
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I am sure that many are gleeful over Starr's demotion, but I am left wondering exactly how depending these universities are on federal funding. The slightest indication that anything threatening Title IX funding has occurred finds administrators and trustees heating up the guillotine. Information, real numbers, would be helpful, although it would distract from celebrating celebrity denouements.
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Funny how this self-righteous creep keeps popping up at the center of sex scandals. First, Washington DC; second, Waco, Texas. The irony. Simply delicious.
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"The report released on Thursday found that Baylor’s religiously informed outlook on drug use, alcohol and premarital sex made accusers fearful of coming forward."
Oh, please. That gratuitous little throw-in at the end of the write-up--and apparently also at the end of the Philadelphia lawyers' report--ought to insult all intelligent minds. That is as cheap as cheap shots get.
Oh, please. That gratuitous little throw-in at the end of the write-up--and apparently also at the end of the Philadelphia lawyers' report--ought to insult all intelligent minds. That is as cheap as cheap shots get.
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Single best move3 for America's universities: get rid of Division 1 sports. "Student Athletes" should actually be students. If one digs deep enough we wold likely find that every major university is morally and intellectually weakened by the worship of "sports". The asingment of salaries is an indication of relative power. Most big universities pay their football coaches several times what they pay their university presidents. Would eliminating major sports reduce college attendance by minorities? Yes, if you consider spending all day in the gym attending college. Instead, we should institute affirmative action programs and offer academic based scholarships. Would this change the economics of these schools? Maybe, or maybe not, even after removing the multi-million dollar coaching budgets. At Baylor, the Baptists might have to chip in a little more when the collection plate is passed. The rest of us might have to actually pay more taxes (yes, I said pay more taxes.)
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What goes around....comes around.
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Good decision to remove Kenneth Starr from Baylor he should have never been appointed as the President. The man wasted millions of dollars of our tax payers money for his Javert like pursuit of a sitting President. Yet failed to protect youth from sexual misconduct of players have no place in there.
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Yet another story on sexual assaults involving university athletes and administrators as co-conspirators. What's missing in this story is a connection of the dots. The real problem is the commercialization of university athletics and the corresponding desire to market universities in terms of collegiate sports, especially football. When ESPN now determines football schedules, including games played increasingly during the week when athletes should be in classes, with head coaches salaries mushrooming out of control, with bowl games expanding like promiscuous rabbits, with the media defining universities by their football teams' records, and so forth, why are we surprised at the behavior of some athletes and the administrators who profit from their labor. The problem isn't with individual bad apples; the problem is with a corrupt system that has successfully turned higher education into a money-making spectacle.
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If this extreme misdeed by Starr warrants his resignation as President of Baylor, why does it not warrant his resignation as Chancellor as well? What message is being sent to the students and Baylor community?
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I sure hope Mr Starr or someone close to him is reading these comments.
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The irony vortex has opened.
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As a Baylor alumni it saddens me that those brave women were not supported in their quest for justice.
I'm disappointed that they haven't fired Ken Starr and I'm certainly going to let them know it.
Most schools wouldn't fire a winning football coach and I'm proud that Baylor did.
Baylor is about more than football. We aren't all hypocrites; please don't judge all of us based on the actions of these poor examples.
I'm disappointed that they haven't fired Ken Starr and I'm certainly going to let them know it.
Most schools wouldn't fire a winning football coach and I'm proud that Baylor did.
Baylor is about more than football. We aren't all hypocrites; please don't judge all of us based on the actions of these poor examples.
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Rachel, you are correct. i am assuming there are a number of good people who attended Baylor or florida state or notre dame who feel the same as you. this baylor situation reminds me of when the Catholic church and some of it leaders were taking the heat because of the way they tried to cover up the abuse of young children by some priests. many of my friends are Catholic and they were very hurt and angry. some quit their church. some went back because they needed their church worse than ever. their spiritual life was being attacked.
i am not in the business of judging anyone(sometimes i forget), especially you. good luck with your school.
i am not in the business of judging anyone(sometimes i forget), especially you. good luck with your school.
I don't believe Baylor is a good enough school or institution to do the right thing and pull out of D1 and concentrate on its vaunted commitment to moral education.
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Karma packs a wicked punch.
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Sounds like a slap on the wrist to Starr to me.
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All instances of sexual assault must be reported to the police and investigated by trained police forensic specialists and then if warranted prosecuted thru the judicial system.
Should colleges and universities be EDUCATIONAL institutions or farm teams for the professional sports leagues.
Given that about 1/3 of pro football players develop serious brain injury we might ask whether college football should be phased out.
I will not defend Ken Starr. I think his behavior during the Bill Clinton inquiry was disgusting.
But I think the questions I raised above are more worthy of consideration than what happens to Ken Starr.
Should colleges and universities be EDUCATIONAL institutions or farm teams for the professional sports leagues.
Given that about 1/3 of pro football players develop serious brain injury we might ask whether college football should be phased out.
I will not defend Ken Starr. I think his behavior during the Bill Clinton inquiry was disgusting.
But I think the questions I raised above are more worthy of consideration than what happens to Ken Starr.
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Agree.
College presidents are responsible for thousands of students in hundreds of classes under hundreds of instructors, coaches, etc.
You really ask a lot of any human being to stay perfectly well informed about all of these at once.
You really ask a lot of any human being to stay perfectly well informed about all of these at once.
Evidently, Starr's tolerance of sexual misconduct varies with who is doing the misconduct, someone who is on the same team he is, or someone who is on the other team.
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Although I tend to align with most commenters, about the apparent double standard of Kenneth Starr, it must be noted that we are comparing apples and oranges. Bill Clinton's impeachment charges were for perjury and obstruction of justice.
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@Giovanni Ciriani
West Hartford, CT
Yes it had nothing to do with a partisan Republican inspired investigation of consensual sex.
West Hartford, CT
Yes it had nothing to do with a partisan Republican inspired investigation of consensual sex.
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Kenneth Star turns 70 in July this year (2016). This is NOT a demotion, it is a move toward retirement. Calling it a demotion does not make it so.
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You make a valid point.
The Regents need to get some backbone and sever all ties to Starr, irrespective of his past funding contributions.
Baylor needs to recalibrate its moral compass and restore ethical principles in the manner in which it treats its students.
The Regents need to get some backbone and sever all ties to Starr, irrespective of his past funding contributions.
Baylor needs to recalibrate its moral compass and restore ethical principles in the manner in which it treats its students.
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Isn't this just sad?
Dr. David Garland, where is the Board of Regent's courage? Christian values? Southern Baptist moral virtue?
I gave Baylor more credit than keeping Kenneth Starr an employee - Starr is a loser.
Shame on the Baylor University Board of Regents.
Pathetic.
Allison, Jay
Allison, Joel T.
Baker, Lori E.*
Beauchamp, Robert (Bob) E.
Brian, Linda Jean
Carlile, Ken
Clements, Jerry
Elrod, Jennifer W.
Giglio, Shelley
Gray, James Cary
Harper, David Harlan
Heard, Larry P.
Hixson, Milton
Hord, Dan III
Howard, Christopher B.
Hurd, Mark
Jeffrey, Neal
Lovvorn, Mark E.
Mann, Debbie Bradley*
Manning, Chris*
McCollum, Mark
Murff, Ronald Dean
Pullin, Randolph (Randy) L.
Reeter, Jeffrey D.
Robbins, William K., Jr.
Robinson, Clifton
Siktberg, Jonathan*
Simon, William (Bill) S.
Stevens, Kim Wilson
Stewart, Philip W.
Wiles, Dennis Ray
Willis, Richard S
Wilson, Ronald L.
Wright, Kathy Wills
* - Indicates non-voting member
Regents Emeriti
Anson, George C.
Getterman, Sue Holt
McLane, Drayton, Jr.
Dr. David Garland, where is the Board of Regent's courage? Christian values? Southern Baptist moral virtue?
I gave Baylor more credit than keeping Kenneth Starr an employee - Starr is a loser.
Shame on the Baylor University Board of Regents.
Pathetic.
Allison, Jay
Allison, Joel T.
Baker, Lori E.*
Beauchamp, Robert (Bob) E.
Brian, Linda Jean
Carlile, Ken
Clements, Jerry
Elrod, Jennifer W.
Giglio, Shelley
Gray, James Cary
Harper, David Harlan
Heard, Larry P.
Hixson, Milton
Hord, Dan III
Howard, Christopher B.
Hurd, Mark
Jeffrey, Neal
Lovvorn, Mark E.
Mann, Debbie Bradley*
Manning, Chris*
McCollum, Mark
Murff, Ronald Dean
Pullin, Randolph (Randy) L.
Reeter, Jeffrey D.
Robbins, William K., Jr.
Robinson, Clifton
Siktberg, Jonathan*
Simon, William (Bill) S.
Stevens, Kim Wilson
Stewart, Philip W.
Wiles, Dennis Ray
Willis, Richard S
Wilson, Ronald L.
Wright, Kathy Wills
* - Indicates non-voting member
Regents Emeriti
Anson, George C.
Getterman, Sue Holt
McLane, Drayton, Jr.
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Not to make excuses, but small schools like Baylor need to cheat to keep up with the big boys. Did anyone seriously think they could get talent like the University of Texas without letting assault charges slide? This is not just an indictment of Briles and Starr, but an indictment of the entire major college football system.
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The big boys cheat too, just on scale. Look no further than the "and my mom needs rent money" Instagram exchange that now lives in infamy.
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Slap on the wrist. Read up about Susan MacDougal to get a feel for Ken Starr.
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How delicious is it that Ken Starr was brought down by far too much hyperventilating about sex?
And could the Times possibly get any more mealy-mouthed than "Violence against women on college campuses has risen as a national conversation in recent years," when you know fine well that the "national conversation" is just that: statistics on rape have been going down for years, and as always are lower for women on campus than in the general population.
And could the Times possibly get any more mealy-mouthed than "Violence against women on college campuses has risen as a national conversation in recent years," when you know fine well that the "national conversation" is just that: statistics on rape have been going down for years, and as always are lower for women on campus than in the general population.
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Unless, apparently, there are athletes around them.
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There is no one more hypocritical than a right-wing idealogue who is totally convinced of his own moral perfection.
That is Kenneth Starr.
That is Kenneth Starr.
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Baylor lost all credibility when they hired Starr in the first place.
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As you sow, so also shall you reap.
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For the 1000th time when are people going to wake up and see that college administrators and educators are not CSI SVU, law enforcement officers or district attorneys. And asking them to perform those roles just guarantees failure. Unfortunately, as we have seen with mattress girl, false rape accusations happen on college campuses. If law enforcement deems that the case that does not have merit that just simply has to be the end. The false accusers and their supporters just can't attack the school for not enforcing what the police do not see as a crime. Ken Starr is just another political witch hunt victim regardless of his character flaws or history.
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Chancellor is a position leading the Spiritual life of the campus. It hardly seems appropriate to put Starr in such a position, considering his actions/inaction in this matter.
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"Critics have said that Baylor sacrificed moral considerations — and the safety of other students — for the sake of its winning football team."
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'Bout says it all. That's the way big-time college football is going -- you just "look the other way" when you do your recruiting.
If you don't do that, then you get lousy football teams -- like my school UT-
Austin. (I'll still take my school's approach any day though.)
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'Bout says it all. That's the way big-time college football is going -- you just "look the other way" when you do your recruiting.
If you don't do that, then you get lousy football teams -- like my school UT-
Austin. (I'll still take my school's approach any day though.)
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A football coach makes $6 million. Might that have anything to do with his ability to look closely at the players that make him look that good?
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Or not?
"The moral arc of the universe is long
but it bends toward justice,"
No truer words were ever spoken.
but it bends toward justice,"
No truer words were ever spoken.
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th universe doesnt care diddly squat about justice or morality or anything for that matter
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It seems like Starr got a slap on the wrist.
He becomes a high falutin, well paid Chancellor and remains a tenured law professor.
From my viewpoint, the punishment did not fit the crime.
He becomes a high falutin, well paid Chancellor and remains a tenured law professor.
From my viewpoint, the punishment did not fit the crime.
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Admittedly, I can see how Professor Starr might be confused. He gets one job in which he is roundly criticized for trying to prosecute a sexual predator. Then he is is relieved from his position for failing to do what he was denigrated for doing previously. Go figure.
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Or, he gets one job where he is richly rewarded for prosecuting someone for lying about a completely legal consensual sex act. Then he is relieved from his position for deliberately failing to protect students from rapists.
But I do agree that Professor Starr is confused. About integrity.
But I do agree that Professor Starr is confused. About integrity.
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Rape v. Consensual sex. Get real.
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"...trying to prosecute a sexual predator", as you state, was not his job nor his mandate. He was supposed to investigate the Whitewater land deal. Since that didn't pan out to much, he turned his attention to Clinton's personal activities. Whether Clinton was a predator was certainly not established, though certain Republicans, to this day, accuse him of actual crimes.
The case at Baylor involves, first, an intentional cover-up of allegations of rape and, secondly, the mistreatment of those who made the allegations, especially as it relates to football players. If Starr learned to be vigilant in the case of President Clinton, he should have learned to be extra concerned with the well being of young women attending a college with deep religious ties and a professed culture of righteousness.
Doug Terry
The case at Baylor involves, first, an intentional cover-up of allegations of rape and, secondly, the mistreatment of those who made the allegations, especially as it relates to football players. If Starr learned to be vigilant in the case of President Clinton, he should have learned to be extra concerned with the well being of young women attending a college with deep religious ties and a professed culture of righteousness.
Doug Terry
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Baylor got "hundreds of millions of dollars...in part by yoking its fortunes to football". Never mind Briles and Starr. What does that say about Baylor's supporters, who gave those millions? They obviously didn't give that money to their alma mater until it gave them football victories to brag about. For that matter, what does it say about America? Baylor isn't the only place this has happened.
An excellent education? Nope. A lifelong moral code? Nah. Just win football games, baby! Give us something to be proud of!
An excellent education? Nope. A lifelong moral code? Nah. Just win football games, baby! Give us something to be proud of!
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This feels So Good.
It's not often one gets the pleasure of seeing a demonizing bigot shamed, but it has just happened, and boy does it feel good.
Thank you, Baylor!
It's not often one gets the pleasure of seeing a demonizing bigot shamed, but it has just happened, and boy does it feel good.
Thank you, Baylor!
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The mighty Baylor Bear has been reduced to a
Cub. Thank you Ken and Art for providing the kind of moral leadership that sinks careers and an athletic program built on moral fraud!
Cub. Thank you Ken and Art for providing the kind of moral leadership that sinks careers and an athletic program built on moral fraud!
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Demoting someone to "chancellor" -- doesn't sound like much of a punishment.
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Given his eagerness to paw through knicker-drawers, I'm surprised Ken Starr wasn't all over these allegations of sexual misconduct.
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Is it a coincidence that an article stating that Starr has regrets about what he did to Clinton showed up in the New York Times two days ago? He probably knew this was coming and made a public statement so that he would get good press before he was fired.
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I have read and re-read this article and it's either one of the worst-written NYTimes articles that I've ever read, or . . . well, what? Baylor demoted Ken Starr, okay, but what was his involvement? What did he know? What did he say? What did he do? Why the demotion, but not his firing? This is such a half-article that it shouldn't even be published. When did journalism start being just a conversation-starter and not a reporting of some facts. Thin.
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Excellent comment! It is the best I've read in months. I hope more people are frustrated by given non-information. Perhaps the NYT will take note and follow up by answering Liz's questions. Perhaps it is too early for such details, but I doubt it.
This country has long been too soft on those perps who commit domestic violence and sexual assault. They deserve no quarter, and those who accept them back into society are traitors to decent humanity. As one who is neither religious nor spiritual, i though I've never see southern baptists on the side of decency, but they did right- and the self-righteous hypocrite starr got a small black mark.
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since when is the U the legal system. how is the university the legal system now replacing the real legal system of police, judges, prosecuters??
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The financially motivated drive to "college courts" is the real story, but it does not get the coverage it deserves. It only takes one allegation to bring a student's life to a halt.
Since forever. Get up to speed on this.
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Since forever. Get up to speed.
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Sounds like something straight out of a John Grisham novel.
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Wish someone thought to set a perjury trap for him...
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I never understand football players' behavior like this. Normally they are BMOCs, and receive plenty of attention and admiration from female students. It seems they would the last students with any motivation for sexual assault. Could it be a result of the anabolic steroids that they may be taking? (Which I emphasize is no excuse whatsoever.)
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Rape is about power and control, not about sex.
The "pleasure" that the rapist gets is removing the agency of the victim.
This is different from the willing consent of a fan who approaches them to engage in a consensual act.
The "pleasure" that the rapist gets is removing the agency of the victim.
This is different from the willing consent of a fan who approaches them to engage in a consensual act.
It might be that they're used to getting whatever they want, and when they are told "no," react with violence and anger.
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President Clinton was not impeachment. The impeachment process was started but he was not impeached. Really, how can you get that wrong?!! Please put in a correction. It is the second time I have seen this in your paper.
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No impeachment is the accusation, he was impeached and acquitted.
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NO the HOUSE recommended impeachment. The SENATE refused to Impeach. They had to approve and agree for him to be "impeached". Had he BEEN impeached he would have been removed from office.
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You are amusing. Clinton WAS impeached by the House but not convicted by the Senate.
Look, college and professional football attract high testosterone men who have been showered w hero worship before they have frontal lobe common sense to regulate their stallion tendencies. This is as much about stallions heros who think that women owe them as it is about athletic programs looking for the highest risk takers who tend to be genetically linked to promiscuity.
I think if athletics were truly about team building and building places of grace and art rather than win-at-all-costs, this kind of person would be less likely to develop and less likely to be sought after.
Shame on all of us for worshipping athleticism!
I think if athletics were truly about team building and building places of grace and art rather than win-at-all-costs, this kind of person would be less likely to develop and less likely to be sought after.
Shame on all of us for worshipping athleticism!
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Well said. Christians and Christian organizations must stop worshiping the gods of money and worldly success if they intend to raise young Christians to honor one God.
Thank you for your comment.
Thank you for your comment.
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So, the Baptist University Baylor "received a partial exemption to Title IX for several policies that it said conflicted with its sincerely held religious beliefs, such as condemnation of “premarital unchastity,” while condoning rape.
Got it.
Got it.
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Jesus loves a winner.
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Starr has always been a good soldier for those in power. He pursued Clinton endlessly because, really, pursuit and fireworks are what his masters wanted. When he'd done his job, it was off to a nice sinecure in academia, which he'd wanted all along.
And now his masters were the big donors and scions of college sports, the dirty tail that wags the academic dog. Again Starr did what he was told -- or didn't do what he wasn't told.
A small, soiled henchman of a man now has the remains of a career as a tarnished figurehead. This is the last we hear of him, and after his long and successful career as a hypocrital "moral" individual, it's fitting that he sleaze out of public view with his tawdry true colors flapping, oily, in the wind.
And now his masters were the big donors and scions of college sports, the dirty tail that wags the academic dog. Again Starr did what he was told -- or didn't do what he wasn't told.
A small, soiled henchman of a man now has the remains of a career as a tarnished figurehead. This is the last we hear of him, and after his long and successful career as a hypocrital "moral" individual, it's fitting that he sleaze out of public view with his tawdry true colors flapping, oily, in the wind.
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I cannot express my true feelings of Ken Starr. At least not in this public setting. Amazing the guy gets to keep teaching law at this institution.
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Too much money in college sports. Beyond intramurals college sports should be shut down permanently.
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This low life has no business keeping any sort of job. Fire the no-good. He is a disgrace to his profession.
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Don't know about that. He's a lawyer.
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So Ken Starr is only partially guilty?
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Based upon the evidence provided in his apology, he's profoundly guilty. But it depends on what your definition of is is.
(Hi Gene. KC TV hasn't been the same without you.)
(Hi Gene. KC TV hasn't been the same without you.)
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Good for Baylor. Too bad an $EC team would never do this.
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Ken Starr another sleazy Republican that does whatever it takes to help his party or in this case to help his sports team. He should be prosecuted not just removed as president of Baylor. What kind of message was he sending to the students there? But he gets to remain as chancellor and law school professor, come on now would you want this guy teaching your kids?
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And these same Baptists do not want Obamacare to allow access to contraceptives:
"Despite our theological differences, we cannot remain silent while others find their First Amendment freedom of religion rights trampled.
As Baptists we defend Catholics’ right to not have their consciences coerced by government edict on the issue of contraception."
"Despite our theological differences, we cannot remain silent while others find their First Amendment freedom of religion rights trampled.
As Baptists we defend Catholics’ right to not have their consciences coerced by government edict on the issue of contraception."
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And of course, if any of these poor women became pregnant as a result of their rape they should carry the child to term rather than have the choice to terminate the pregnancy. Do I have that right?
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Starr.
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Moral hypocrisy with an overlay of religious self righteousness in Texas. I'm shocked.
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Ha! You get what you give. Just desserts! Kudos Baylor!
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Mr. Ukwuachu and Mr. Elliott are both black, as was Jameis Winston, the other football player (but not at Baylor) mentioned in the article. Is this just a coincidence or do we not disclose the names of white football players accused of sexual assault?
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Baylor Unversity, whose women's basketball coach, Kim Mulkey, required that Brittney Griner stay closeted for fear of running afoul of Baylor's morals code, which evidently doesn't look askance at sexual assault by football players, as long as the team is winning and profitable.
Just another example of the irredeemability of big time college sports.
Just another example of the irredeemability of big time college sports.
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The hero-worship of athletes and the hysteria they generate is a very strange sickness in the country, one I have never been able to comprehend, except viscerally, with aversion.
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A Christian university! What a lie, stop pretending, leave up to you deceptions. It makes me proud to be an atheist
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If they don't also ban football from the campus they are not being serious about the assaults. Obviously, it is not only jocks who are rapists, but they are certainly in the forefront at colleges. They are also protected from prosecution so their precious football team won't be harmed. The college always sides with the jocks and victimize the victims again.
Even though Ken Starr seemed to revel in coming out to a news conference every day to say the word penis repeatedly in wasn't on his mind on campus. He had to know about the problems with jocks taking advantage of their exalted positions. He never addressed the issue. Demoting him from president is not going to change one thing. It is all cosmetic surgery to save the precious football team yet again.
Even though Ken Starr seemed to revel in coming out to a news conference every day to say the word penis repeatedly in wasn't on his mind on campus. He had to know about the problems with jocks taking advantage of their exalted positions. He never addressed the issue. Demoting him from president is not going to change one thing. It is all cosmetic surgery to save the precious football team yet again.
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Many years after he played the role of 'lead persecutor' of Bill Clinton, Mr. Starr is now experiencing what it feels like to be on the other end of a moral/ethical dilemma. I certainly hope the University and the free press are as ruthless with and unforgiving of him as he was with Bill Clinton.
Mr. Starr should look at this as a character building opportunity.
Mr. Starr should look at this as a character building opportunity.
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I'm disgusted at these so called commissions implicating otherwise decent law abiding, hard working, diligent college administrators and coaches. Look what happened with the Duke lacrosse scandal. Let the criminal justice system determine what constitutes sexual assault. Leave the he said she said sexual culture as a private matter and beware of those that spin to their own advantage or to the tune of political correctness.
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The Duke lacrosse situation was mishandled.
Good point.
That does NOT mean, however, that every other school in the country that DOES allow women to be victimized get a free pass.
And please do not make us all vomit by saying "it's a PRIVATE matter."
Re-think, putting your mother, wife, daughter in the position of these women.
And then make up excuses for those responsible.
How vile.
Good point.
That does NOT mean, however, that every other school in the country that DOES allow women to be victimized get a free pass.
And please do not make us all vomit by saying "it's a PRIVATE matter."
Re-think, putting your mother, wife, daughter in the position of these women.
And then make up excuses for those responsible.
How vile.
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Yeah. How's that been working out so far?
Bob Stoops.....you're on the clock.
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And we're shocked...SHOCKED to learn that Kenneth Starr mishandled an investigation involving sexual misconduct.
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This is no surprise. Most top tier sports teams are populated with over privileged thugs. The scholar-athlete is a myth. Their criminality is routinely white washed over their lifetimes. Many feel above the law.
Hooray for Baylor. Sunlight is good medicine.
Hooray for Baylor. Sunlight is good medicine.
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Eventually, a university's federal funding is going to be challenged because of blatant refusal to address sexual assault on campus. I assume that the facts here are ugly enough to make Baylor consider that possibility and that is probably why they fired the coach.
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This isn't much about spoiled athletes. All the sexual offenders here were black. Young black men have high rates of sexual assault in the slums. Bring them to Baylor and they're still likely to have high rates of assault. It's mostly a product of their upbringing. Not about sports and big money. You can take the athlete out of the slums but you can't take the slums out of the athlete.
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Obsession with sex is rampant among religious fundamentalists, of which Starr is but the most recent example brought to light...for the second time. The difference being this time he obsessively ignored criminal sex for the sake of accolades and financial gain. On second thought, that was the reason the first time, too.
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Question: How many times will the word "hypocrite" fit into the Comments 1500 character limit?
Answer: Not enough.
Answer: Not enough.
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The thanks of a grateful nation to this crusading moralist, with the exception of thse sexual assault victims who lacked national news media attention.
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How about Texas show that they are really a functioning state and not just a good old boys club, and move to disbar Starr.
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Starr deserves to fall far and fast. Just what kind of real Christian behaves this way? One who puts fame and fortune and football above honesty, integrity and true faith.
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Was the coach fired or impeached?
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College football is, in many cases, run like a whorehouse where strong and talented young men are exploited to create recognition and fame for the school, bringing in millions. Did anyone at Baylor, a school well noted for its holier than thou reputation, stop to consider that running an athletic whorehouse might be incompatible with a Baptist institution? When you start with embracing contradictions, you wind up with scandal, well deserved in this case.
Starr was the man who was going to save the country from oral sex by teaching every child in America just what it was. He is the man who pursued an all but endless, highly expensive investigation of a president to find any means to take him down, Gingrichian style. This was an attempt at assassination of a president by other means and it would have also been pursued against Obama had the Republican "leadership" not tamped down the flaming right wingers from the tea party group who were intent on applying it in Obama's second term.
In the end, Starr and the House of Representatives found Clinton had lied under oath to save his presidency and his marriage, too. This lying could one day be seen as a act of courage, because had Clinton not done so the nation would have been treated to a constitutional crisis and set an example of removing presidents from office that would stand for many decades.
Starr is the son of a minister. Apparently, his father taught him some things too well and others not well enough.
Doug Terry
Starr was the man who was going to save the country from oral sex by teaching every child in America just what it was. He is the man who pursued an all but endless, highly expensive investigation of a president to find any means to take him down, Gingrichian style. This was an attempt at assassination of a president by other means and it would have also been pursued against Obama had the Republican "leadership" not tamped down the flaming right wingers from the tea party group who were intent on applying it in Obama's second term.
In the end, Starr and the House of Representatives found Clinton had lied under oath to save his presidency and his marriage, too. This lying could one day be seen as a act of courage, because had Clinton not done so the nation would have been treated to a constitutional crisis and set an example of removing presidents from office that would stand for many decades.
Starr is the son of a minister. Apparently, his father taught him some things too well and others not well enough.
Doug Terry
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My opinion of Baylor university has gone up a little bit after this decision. Kenneth Starr needs to have a position only as a visiting part time faculty in some unknown department with an office in the basement. What was Baylor thinking appointing this guy as a President. Texas can be Texas without being stupid.
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"Violence against women on college campuses has risen as a national conversation in recent years, and one particular thread has been whether athletes in big-time sports like football and basketball are afforded favorable treatment by universities and communities that come together to support and protect successful teams."
A research university like Baylor receives substantial income from federal research grants. These grants do not only pay for the research, that is, the materials, the salaries of the professors, lab techs and post docs, as well as stipends for graduate students, but also help the university recover indirect cost for administration, plant ops and infrastructure improvements. The indirect cost recovery can be 70 cents or more on the direct research dollar, depending on the university. If that cash flow stopped, the university would be immediately insolvent. Moreover, the government would halt support for student loans. A place like Baylor would be up for sale.
Perhaps it is time to withhold federal money from universities that are notoriously non-compliant.
A research university like Baylor receives substantial income from federal research grants. These grants do not only pay for the research, that is, the materials, the salaries of the professors, lab techs and post docs, as well as stipends for graduate students, but also help the university recover indirect cost for administration, plant ops and infrastructure improvements. The indirect cost recovery can be 70 cents or more on the direct research dollar, depending on the university. If that cash flow stopped, the university would be immediately insolvent. Moreover, the government would halt support for student loans. A place like Baylor would be up for sale.
Perhaps it is time to withhold federal money from universities that are notoriously non-compliant.
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And replace those lost funds with the "hundreds of millions" the beneficent alumni provide to enhance the education of Baylor student and Christian values of their university?
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When the history of this era is written, the public hangings in effigy of Justice Thomas, Kenneth Starr, and Sarah Palin will stand out as examples of liberal partisans embarrassing themselves and the schools from which they came.
It was the beginning of the culture giving up on the old media and moving to independent and conservative voices on the Net, and this era created the audiences for Fox News Channel and even Donald Trump.
Thanks, by the way.
It was the beginning of the culture giving up on the old media and moving to independent and conservative voices on the Net, and this era created the audiences for Fox News Channel and even Donald Trump.
Thanks, by the way.
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Couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy. I guess that explains his decision to say bygones should be bygones re Bill Clinton!
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Throughout the bogus Clinton sting, Starr demonstrated the character of a swine. For those who doubted it, the years finally caught up with him.
Covering up multiple assaults on young women indeed is a serious offense. I sincerely hope there is a motivated prosecutor involved in all this. Somewhere in his colonial home, President Clinton must be smiling, indeed.
Covering up multiple assaults on young women indeed is a serious offense. I sincerely hope there is a motivated prosecutor involved in all this. Somewhere in his colonial home, President Clinton must be smiling, indeed.
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Starr nailed on sex charges??? There is a God after all!!
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How far has Baylor fallen that the only response to a homegrown crisis of morals is to demote Kenneth Starr. Mr. Starr is the symbol of Baylor, the person who personified Baylor in the public mind. Women are raped and beaten on campus and Mr. Starr helps to cover it up! All for the sake of football and money! But oh, the religious hypocrites maintain the ban on campus dancing! What kind of Christians are these Texas Baptists?
If the powers that be at Baylor want to atone for their sins and set an example for the world -- fire Starr and drop football.
If the powers that be at Baylor want to atone for their sins and set an example for the world -- fire Starr and drop football.
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Time wounds all heels..
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Students' tuition will continue to pay for Mr. Starr for an eternity. He will receive a nice compensation package as chancellor and eventually step down from this position, enjoying a full law school professor's salary until he won't reach his desk anymore. I call that excellent pay for such colossal failure.
Why would anyone spend 60+ grant a year to send their daughter to a college like this?
Why would anyone spend 60+ grant a year to send their daughter to a college like this?
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The alleged perpetrators were athletes. What would you expect? On division I school campuses, the rules don't apply to the athletes. Athletics is too valuable a money maker.
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Those of us that lived through the tawdry political scandal of Mr. Clinton's perjury, disbarment, impeachment, and having to pay close to a million dollars in sexual harassment damages owe Judge Starr a debt of gratitude for handling the special prosecutor role with class and dignity, despite the vicious attacks launched at him by the Clintons, the media and their surrogates. Judge Starr will be remembered fondly by history as a patriot who did his duty for his country.
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Uh, are we on the same planet? Or was this an example of satire without once breaking character? Maybe an audition for a comedy film? Good job - you nailed it!
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Thank you for this story. Women are so abused in Pueblo,Co. This same attitude by the police, the DA, doctors. So many of us were raped and molested in three hospitals and the back-lash and abuse by the judges and so many other men and businesses is unbelievable to me. We are guilty for objecting to being raped. The police destroyed police reports and lied as did the judges and the AG office in Denver is covering for the hospitals who knew the doctor was raping so many.Even Ken Salazar lied to protect the hospitals.
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Hypocritical Kenneth Starr will go down as a prime catalyst in the panic that has lead to candidates like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz moving front and center stage.
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Situations like this have been going on for decades, if not longer. A sucessful football team peeps millions for the university, and the emotional welfare of the victim automatically takes second place to the mounds of cash brought in by the sexual offender.
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Why hasn't Kenneth Starr simply been sent packing?
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They should throw the bum out, or at least impeach him.
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"Credited with raising hundreds of millions of dollars for Baylor, the country’s largest Baptist university, in part by yoking its fortunes to football." And the chancellor position is “centered around development and religious liberty."
Disgusting. Religion by name only. Millions could have been used doing God's work if that is what they truly believe.
Disgusting. Religion by name only. Millions could have been used doing God's work if that is what they truly believe.
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They should throw the bum out.
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How can Starr remain chancellor!
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President Clinton showed very poor judgment, but
we hired him to do a job. The circus that Starr directed
cause Clinton to spend too much time defending himself
and too little time defending the country. Both men
should have been ashamed of themselves.
we hired him to do a job. The circus that Starr directed
cause Clinton to spend too much time defending himself
and too little time defending the country. Both men
should have been ashamed of themselves.
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What goes round, comes round.
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in th words of nelson muntz, haw haaw
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How sweet it would have been if Bill Clinton had led the investigation that led to Starr's removal. Just wonder how much Baylor will continue to pay him as "chancellor" and a law school professor and if he'll actually need to DO anything.
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Karma is sweet.
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The way you rise in college football is to dare to scrape the bottom of the behavioral barrel harder than rival coaches when recruiting violent young males. A statistically likely side effect is that more coeds get raped, but boosters can pay the young ladies off.
Since most of the football and basketball player rapists are black and their victims white, nobody really wants to talk about what's going on terribly explicitly.
Since most of the football and basketball player rapists are black and their victims white, nobody really wants to talk about what's going on terribly explicitly.
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Karma, Mr. Starr
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I applaud Baylor for firing Art Briles. Any college football fan knows that Baylor fired not only the man who made them relevant in football-mad Texas, but who was also the reason money flowed into the program. But it is hard for me to comprehend how a school that espouses its "Christian mission" could allow its football program to go so astray. It is also hard not to question the hypocrisy of a University who, in 2015, revised its sexual misconduct policy to say this...
"Baylor will be guided by the biblical understanding that human sexuality is a gift from God and that physical sexual intimacy is to be expressed in the context of marital fidelity. Thus, it is expected that Baylor students, faculty and staff will engage in behaviors consistent with this understanding of human sexuality."
...and yet allowed a culture of intimidation and silence to cover up sexual assault. I hope the University releases the full report. There are still a lot of unanswered questions about who turn a blind eye to this.
"Baylor will be guided by the biblical understanding that human sexuality is a gift from God and that physical sexual intimacy is to be expressed in the context of marital fidelity. Thus, it is expected that Baylor students, faculty and staff will engage in behaviors consistent with this understanding of human sexuality."
...and yet allowed a culture of intimidation and silence to cover up sexual assault. I hope the University releases the full report. There are still a lot of unanswered questions about who turn a blind eye to this.
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Sounds like Baylor should look to join the SEC, they would fit right in.
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"Mr. Starr was stripped of his title as university president ..."
Ooh! I bet that'll teach him a lesson.
Ooh! I bet that'll teach him a lesson.
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Baylor is not the only place this is happening, better start checking as more is to be found. It has been going on for years, again it is all about the $$ and looking the other way.
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Starr presided over the investigation of Bill Clinton for what mostly seemed to be consensual sexual acts, but he would not punish rapists on his own campus. This is the ultimate hypocrisy.
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But Starr will remain dean of the law school. (laugh)
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Yeah, but he'll never be nominated to the Supreme Court. So sad.
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I'm waiting to hear the Baylor law students howling in outrage that Starr is to be considered a role model for their development.
Bet I'm kept waiting.
Bet I'm kept waiting.
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Karma, she's a sweet woman. Ken Starr is a sad joke
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This story goes pretty easy on Baylor and is a win for Baylor's pr team. There's less in these "reports" than already in the public record regarding the two football players convicted in criminal court. The reports are very little, very late, and it's just pathetic to see the school get any credit for addressing how corrupted it is by athletics. Starr should be familiar with high profile, high pressure investigations, and yet his university barely took any action against people convicted by juries. Can anyone seriously claim the university handled any of this with integrity or good faith, so to speak?
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Starr is and has been the poster child for the absolute and ultimate hypocrisy of the Republican/Tea party. I am so sick of the lot of them. Just when you think you can't get surprised on how low they have sunk- they manage to sink even lower. It seems the very ones that advertise themselves as religious icons are the very ones who are the most despicable. I thought I had heard the last of Starr but yesterday and today, he has managed to give off a rotten smell once again.
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Oh the horror, the horror said the Chairman of Baylor Board of Regents, commenting on the outside law firm report on the athletic program there.
Shame, shame. You and the entire board need to join the coach and Ken Starr in heading for the exit. You looked the other way along with everybody else in charge at Baylor, all for the almighty dollar.
Shame, shame. You and the entire board need to join the coach and Ken Starr in heading for the exit. You looked the other way along with everybody else in charge at Baylor, all for the almighty dollar.
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I would think that the Baylor University law school might want to reconsider keeping Ken Starr on as a faculty member. The ironies are simply too rich to be ignored. Were it not for his obsessively pursued vendetta against Bill Clinton for the former president's various dalliances with other women, I could almost feel sorry for Starr, given the oversized role that football has in Texans' universe. Clinton's offense, such as it was, involve his giving false testimony at a deposition in a suit brought by one of the women he was involved with, and for that Starr demanded what amounted to divine vengeance against that transgression.
Now, two decades later, Starr is routinely presiding over a university administration that routinely files false and misleading certifications to the same government whose president he once tried to depose through impeachment. That's rich! I would consider it entirely befitting the federal government to indict Ken Starr and those who reported to him for knowing, willful, and repeated violations of the federal False Statements Act, Title 18, United States Code, section 1001. It would be nice to see Ken Starr getting a taste of his own medicine. Oh, and also make him give up his law license, the same way he forced President Clinton to give up his law license.
Now, two decades later, Starr is routinely presiding over a university administration that routinely files false and misleading certifications to the same government whose president he once tried to depose through impeachment. That's rich! I would consider it entirely befitting the federal government to indict Ken Starr and those who reported to him for knowing, willful, and repeated violations of the federal False Statements Act, Title 18, United States Code, section 1001. It would be nice to see Ken Starr getting a taste of his own medicine. Oh, and also make him give up his law license, the same way he forced President Clinton to give up his law license.
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Ah, nothing like the smell of religious hypocrisy in the morning!
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For years, Southern Baptists have touted Baylor University as a bastion of morality, upstanding conservative Christianity, and an example of what a private "Christian" university should be. Liars, hypocrites, male chauvinists -- those are the words that will resonate with the public now. I suspect this is just the tip of a very disgusting iceberg.
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Baylor wanted to play with the big boys, and managed to do so for a few years. All it cost was their reputation. It will be interesting to see who they bring in as the next coach, and where the former coach lands after overseeing and ignoring the criminals who masqueraded as his football team.
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Perhaps if colleges and universities ceased trolling for street thugs to staff their varsity teams and got back to the focus of these academic instituions - to educate and prepare the next generation of citizens to improve our nation, we would not have such incidents. These players are not college material, but rather exploited chattle to bring in money for these schools. Shame on the administration, the foolish fans and sad for the students who get shafted with such legacies.
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So all the Republican Speakers of the House (among them Newt and Denny) have been brought low by sex scandals. How ironic that the man who led the investigative charge against Bill Clinton has also been hoist on his own petard. Life's funny like that. I sincerely hope it jump starts institutional change at Baylor and that the victims find redress and peace of mind down the road.
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I don't understand why the school would allow him to teach law when clearly he failed to implement the federal laws the school was lacking in.
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What goes around, comes around. Starr went after Bill Clinton ruthlessly. He had that air of Republican moral superiority. He knew that Clinton must be punished.
The latest I've read is that he regrets pursuing Clinton that way. Maybe his own shortcomings and demotion lead him to a different outlook. But by ignoring sexual assault to promote a football team, he puts himself in the Penn State league of moral failures. And the money involved in big time collegiate sports kind of guarantees there will be more.
The latest I've read is that he regrets pursuing Clinton that way. Maybe his own shortcomings and demotion lead him to a different outlook. But by ignoring sexual assault to promote a football team, he puts himself in the Penn State league of moral failures. And the money involved in big time collegiate sports kind of guarantees there will be more.
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Karma, karma, karma.
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“Let me be clear,” Mr. Starr wrote in a public letter in February: “Sexual violence emphatically has no place whatsoever at Baylor University.” That is, unless you are a football player.
There is a sense of poetic justice here. I would say rise by a sex scandal and fall by a sex scandal.
There is a sense of poetic justice here. I would say rise by a sex scandal and fall by a sex scandal.
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I applaud the University board for having the gravitas firing the golden goose. Would have been preferred to have included Ken Starr and the AD but for this being in bloody red Texas, this is monumental.
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"One subplot...has been whether athletes in big-time sports like football and basketball are afforded favorable treatment by universities...to support and protect successful, profitable and popular teams."
Laughable and Infuriating.
I'm sick of reading about powerful men and male-dominated institutions protecting criminals on campus. It is time to accept that law enforcement must handle criminal investigations, not administrators and educators and athletic department personnel.
I hope criminal charges are filed against Briles and Starr.
Laughable and Infuriating.
I'm sick of reading about powerful men and male-dominated institutions protecting criminals on campus. It is time to accept that law enforcement must handle criminal investigations, not administrators and educators and athletic department personnel.
I hope criminal charges are filed against Briles and Starr.
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You say to them: don't cross the line. If you cross the line we will out you and make sure that every college/university in the nation will know what happened. We will insist that the president of whatever university you attempt to enter signs an acknowledgement that that university was informed of the accusations and reasons for your dismissal.
We will also present the evidence to our local prosecutor and state clearly that we believe the allegations are true.
Bingo.
We will also present the evidence to our local prosecutor and state clearly that we believe the allegations are true.
Bingo.
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All the Baylor sexual offenders were black. Apparently the white men at Baylor all behave. Yeah, right.
"Baylor denied that it had been apprised of Mr. Ukwuachu’s history; Boise State disputed that denial."
And, I'm betting that Baylor really didn't want to know too much.
The hits just keep on coming for the corrupt plantation we know as the NCAA.
And, I'm betting that Baylor really didn't want to know too much.
The hits just keep on coming for the corrupt plantation we know as the NCAA.
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Interestingly, prior to his demotion, Starr's position was President and Chancellor. Baylor demoted him to his current position as Chancellor without the President, it would seem, and probabably his current salary! It would seem that Baylor is playing with words or they just demoted Starr to one-half of his position. Why Starr is still a high- level administrator after he failed to protect the women students who were assaulted is beyond me.
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He's a disgrace to our country, the Baptist church -- and men, in general
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What goes around comes around.
What Starr didn't do was far worse than what Clinton did.
What Starr didn't do was far worse than what Clinton did.
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I knew good was gonna get him.
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In Starr's case, but let's not pretend Clinton hasn't faced his accusers, because he hasn't had to!
http://www.davidlisak.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/RepeatRapeinUndetectedR...
http://www.davidlisak.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/RepeatRapeinUndetectedR...
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“created a cultural perception that football was above the rules.”
It's not just a perception and it's not just Baylor. Football IS above the rules at other D-I schools. Remember Penn State?
It's not just a perception and it's not just Baylor. Football IS above the rules at other D-I schools. Remember Penn State?
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Living above the rules applies more to Hillary and Bill Clinton than any couple in the United States, perhaps ever.
People are letting Coach Briles off too easily while heaping condemnation on Starr (well deserved). Briles was a self promoting, no class coach who whined repeatedly about how his program was disrespected by the traditional football powers. Yet this coaching "genius" couldn't win big games against good programs. Must have spent too much time covering up the misdeeds of his players to focus on coaching. Good riddance. Hope he never has another job at college or professional level again.
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in texas high school footy is actually esteemed above college and pro, except th money isnt as good
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Mr. Starr seemed to loose all perspective and distance choosing instead to make a Faustian bargain with big time football.
It let Mr. Starr be one of cool kids for while and let Baylor feel and project a veneer of honest success. Starr abdicated his responsibilities around student safety and well being and Mr. Briles seems to have decency aside for field success.
Both men blinded by the glitter and glamour of winning football games.
The only question for the two men is 'can they reclaim their souls?'
Baylor will become something different- hopefully better but it will take time and leadership with a strong moral compass.
It let Mr. Starr be one of cool kids for while and let Baylor feel and project a veneer of honest success. Starr abdicated his responsibilities around student safety and well being and Mr. Briles seems to have decency aside for field success.
Both men blinded by the glitter and glamour of winning football games.
The only question for the two men is 'can they reclaim their souls?'
Baylor will become something different- hopefully better but it will take time and leadership with a strong moral compass.
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One more example of why college sports have no place and should be dismantled. College is for education, not profitability.
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Amen! Universities are for academic pursuits as opposed to athletic programs divorced from intellectual rigor. How about adulation of brains, not brawn.
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So consensual sex is grounds for impeachment, but rape gets a nice cover up under Starr. Nice!
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The absolute ultimate in hypocrisy.
Starr gets what he deserves. Unfortunately, it's not enough.
Starr gets what he deserves. Unfortunately, it's not enough.
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As has been aptly demonstrated, the world's oldest profession can touch (pun intended) any and all others.
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It's amazing how Bill Clinton's loudest antagonists during the Lewinsky affair all went out in shame: Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, Dennis Hastert, Ken Starr, Trent Lott, Tom Delay, Mark Sanford, John Ensign, Larry Craig and David Vitter.
Meanwhile, Bill will probably return to the White House! LOL
Meanwhile, Bill will probably return to the White House! LOL
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Bill back in the WH? Hillary's incessant demand for secrecy while at State - look no further than pp 16, 19 in the OIG report released yesterday - has even her most ardent supports in the television press (Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell) now saying her goose is most likely cooked.
Chris, this should have made NYT's Pick List
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When I was eleven, I was abducted and molested by a teenager who turned out to be part of a molestation club. Stupid gits wore the same sweatshirt demonstrating their affiliation to same fraternity. See Springfield VA, for the best force an eleven year old victim could ever hope for. Not my fault, it's a boy's club tradition to gain admission abusing helpless girls.
The police brought me a photo of the wrong boy, and I told them so. But they encouraged me to examine it with all I know. "Hey, the sweatshirt, it's the same sign mine wore."
Think twice before you think frats are dedicated to being nice. In your club listing, Chris, I saw considerable cross over.
The police brought me a photo of the wrong boy, and I told them so. But they encouraged me to examine it with all I know. "Hey, the sweatshirt, it's the same sign mine wore."
Think twice before you think frats are dedicated to being nice. In your club listing, Chris, I saw considerable cross over.
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Some will say this is karma coming back at Ken Starr for the way he carried out his relentless pursuit of Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which led to the only modern day impeachment of an American president.
If he, Starr, presided over an institution where its football team engaged in sexual misconduct - rightly, or wrongly, his inaction placed students and faculty at great risk...hmm, that sounds somewhat similar to the "president's actions placed the country at great risk" - remarks that were made of Bill Clinton during his impeachment trial, based on the evidence provided by Ken Starr.
I don't think many people are feeling sorry for Mr. Starr right now or the former football coach.
If he, Starr, presided over an institution where its football team engaged in sexual misconduct - rightly, or wrongly, his inaction placed students and faculty at great risk...hmm, that sounds somewhat similar to the "president's actions placed the country at great risk" - remarks that were made of Bill Clinton during his impeachment trial, based on the evidence provided by Ken Starr.
I don't think many people are feeling sorry for Mr. Starr right now or the former football coach.
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Kenneth Starr demoted for not investigating a sexual abuse accusation? You can't make this stuff up!
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Kenneth Starr, another pathetic Republican protecting the moral fiber of the USA.
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Will the behavior of Hastert and Starr have any impact on Republicans?
I doubt it, they'll just continue to vote for the woman-basher Trump.
I doubt it, they'll just continue to vote for the woman-basher Trump.
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dolly asked: "Will the behavior of Hastert and Starr have any impact on Republicans?"
They've either been silent on the topic or have lobbied for leniency for Hastert, a child molester.
They've either been silent on the topic or have lobbied for leniency for Hastert, a child molester.
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Makes Clinton's e-mails look like a bad sorority prank.
What a jerk Ken Starr is. An absolute jerk.
What a jerk Ken Starr is. An absolute jerk.
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Mr. Starr is either incompetent, immoral or both. The University should give him his walking papers, not cover for him.
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Ah, karma in one lifetime. Strip the self-righteous Starr of his chancellor title, too, and let him learn the virtues of humility. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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This is why we know Ken Starr is a 'true conservative.' Starr was ready to pursue President Clinton to the ends of the earth over an inconsequential consensual affair but refused to pursue allegations of sexual assaults by football players. This is the ugly, ugly HYPOCRISY of the right in America.
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I wish women would just take over completely college and university campuses and be done with it, instead of this "sexual assault crisis on campus" pretexts such as this Baylor case - which is an accusation that is slowly providing a rational to alienate males from higher education.
What's really happening in the USA is that we are increasingly entering an epoch of a matriarchal society in all facets: home, education, employment, legal. The pendulum has swing, and now males are increasingly finding themselves on the outside looking in. One small example is that men are increasingly the focus of spurious allegations of rampant campus "sexual assault" climate in an effort to marginalize males in higher education. This strategy was first successfully implemented against the marginalization of African Americans.
As regards to sexual assault crisis on campuses colleges and universities are the very safest environment for women in the world. Women already outnumber men in university by like 55 to 45 or 60 to 40. It's going to be increasingly skewed towards women receiving advanced degrees in the future too.
What's really happening in the USA is that we are increasingly entering an epoch of a matriarchal society in all facets: home, education, employment, legal. The pendulum has swing, and now males are increasingly finding themselves on the outside looking in. One small example is that men are increasingly the focus of spurious allegations of rampant campus "sexual assault" climate in an effort to marginalize males in higher education. This strategy was first successfully implemented against the marginalization of African Americans.
As regards to sexual assault crisis on campuses colleges and universities are the very safest environment for women in the world. Women already outnumber men in university by like 55 to 45 or 60 to 40. It's going to be increasingly skewed towards women receiving advanced degrees in the future too.
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Gee, how enlightening, you are just getting a taste of what males have been doing forever and still continuing to do. You don't like it, tough luck, get a real education, it hasn't hurt anyone in the past and won't likely hurt anyone in future.
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What I respect about the male power grab in the past was men took this power but also assume responsibility. However, today's women on the other hand have played the victim (as you are doing above - despite women clearly ALREADY having more individual power in the United States in education, home, legal, than men. Furthermore, women have the power you do not want the responsibility that comes with it. Society can last only so long under that paradigm. Enjoy it while it lasts!
Men as eternal victims. Hum...that's a concept.
This is big news in our household since my wife is a Baylor grad. We both think that Baylor has had systemic problems for many years now, starting with the decision to use big-time football as a means to raise the national profile of the school. Baylor should never have joined the Big 12. It should have de-emphasized football, as the Ivy League schools did many years ago, and concentrated on it's Christian ideals and academic excellence.
Ironically, the emphasis on the football program and the resulting horrendous problems will cause perspective students and donors to turn away from the school, which is just the opposite of what the "enlightened" leadership intended.
We are still not sure that the measures adopted by the school will take of the problem. We have to ask, "Why is Ken Starr still on the campus?"
Ironically, the emphasis on the football program and the resulting horrendous problems will cause perspective students and donors to turn away from the school, which is just the opposite of what the "enlightened" leadership intended.
We are still not sure that the measures adopted by the school will take of the problem. We have to ask, "Why is Ken Starr still on the campus?"
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Yes, why is Ken Starr still on campus? In an America that seems to love Donald Trump I guess football is god.
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ban inter-collegiate sports. let the colleges teach students who want to learn and are qualified to attend a particular school.
how about walking into a doctor's office and meeting some former football player who you know was not qualified to attend such school? what if you have good reason to know that he raped some girl but got a pass because a big game was coming up on saturday?
how about walking into a doctor's office and meeting some former football player who you know was not qualified to attend such school? what if you have good reason to know that he raped some girl but got a pass because a big game was coming up on saturday?
It's about time Kenneth Starr got a taste of his own self-righteous medicine.
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Where does Starr say in his letter to the Baylor community that he is abjectly sorry and ashamed of his cowardly, immoral failure regarding the rapists on the football team--and others who supported them? He doesn't directly apologize to their victims either.
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Ken Starr Hypocrisy at its highest...And to our children no less!
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In the name of religion, many sins are forgiven or ignored. In the name of politics, Machiavelli rules. Starr represents the worst of both worlds. May the religious hypocrites of the world, unite and disappear.
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Elite football and basketball programs at colleges encourage a sense of privilege and invite corruption. Time to examine their place in colleges.
PS. Speaker Hastert and now Special Inquisitor Starr - makes one believe in karma.
PS. Speaker Hastert and now Special Inquisitor Starr - makes one believe in karma.
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Why is Starr still the Chancellor if the board of regents were "horrified" by the extent of sexual violence on campus and accusations against athletes? Starr relished wrecking havoc on multiple people's lives in order to demean and impeach Clinton for having a consensual affair that he denied. But he apparently looked the other way when sexually violent crimes were being committed by athletes on the campus he was leading.
Time ultimately shows us the character of so many who think they are morally superior to others. They often turn out to be worse.
Time ultimately shows us the character of so many who think they are morally superior to others. They often turn out to be worse.
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It seems to me that there was a conspiracy to cover up
alleged criminal acts, and to intimidate alleged victims.
Those are crimes if I'm not mistaken.
alleged criminal acts, and to intimidate alleged victims.
Those are crimes if I'm not mistaken.
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Starr did spend a lot of money investigating Bill Clinton, this news suggests he may not have conducted a rigorous investigation of the man he cannot praise highly enough now.
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"Starr was stripped of his title as university president but will remain Baylor’s chancellor."
Quite a punishment.
Quite a punishment.
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At most universities and state systems, a chancellor ranks higher in the administrative pecking order than a president. Presidents when they retire are often "promoted" to the chancellorship, more than an honorific position with responsibilities akin to that of an ambassador and well as an overseer. Baylor maybe different from other universities, but if it's not - at least in this regard - it's not correct to say he was "demoted." "Moved (or "bumped") upstairs" might be more accurate.
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Chancellor? CHANCELLOR?? This man should be fired, investigated for criminal negligence, charged and sued. The Regents must act not shrink from their duty.
What cowards.
What cowards.
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You are right. Thank you.
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What goes around comes around. The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind and now Ken Starr, the hypocrite, who pursued Bill Clinton over a consensual sex act has been nailed for ignoring repeated sexual assaults and rapes at Baylor. Starr should be out as chancellor also -- he's morally corrupt regardless of whether he is the president, chancellor or head of janitorial services at Baylor.
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Baylor is a private Baptist University where football is more important than a few rapes by the players. I wonder whether Jesus is interested in football.
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Have you noticed that Kenneth Starr was at the center of this? He is the man who tried to ruin Bill Clinton in what was a consensual sexual act between two adults. Now it turns he is at the center at covering up the ultimate of non0-consensual acts, rape by football players.
He should have been fired. They can say tenure if they like, but I think playing an active role in covering up rapes is grounds for dismissal if anything is. And if they can't fire him, why is he chancellor and not just a professor with a huge pay cut.
He should have been fired. They can say tenure if they like, but I think playing an active role in covering up rapes is grounds for dismissal if anything is. And if they can't fire him, why is he chancellor and not just a professor with a huge pay cut.
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As is so often the case, where a college links its reputation and its financial health to football you shortly see a rise in sexual assault cases and administrative neglect of the problem or even corruption.
College football is a plague on our campuses. Baylor is a private college, so it can do what it wants, but public universities should not be using taxpayer dollars to support an NFL minor league and "programs" that really amount to welfare for TV networks. There is no part of college football (or college basketball, for that matter) that has any relationship to the academic and research missions of our public universities.
As for Kenneth Starr, he has proven himself to be the hypocrite most of us thought him to be in the 1990s. He can persecute a President who is not of his political party for having an extramarital affair, an act totally driven by partisan zeal, and then turn a blind eye to rape at the college he leads.
What is a lawyer and judge doing leading a college, anyway? What does Kenneth Starr know about education or research or administration? Judging by the pointless squandering of tens of millions of taxpayer dollars in the 1990s at his behest, the latter certainly couldn't have been thought a strong point in his favor by those who hired him to lead Baylor.
Go away, Kenneth Starr. Go hide under a rock and repent the harm you did the country in the 1990s and the harm you have now done to the victims of sexual assault in Waco.
College football is a plague on our campuses. Baylor is a private college, so it can do what it wants, but public universities should not be using taxpayer dollars to support an NFL minor league and "programs" that really amount to welfare for TV networks. There is no part of college football (or college basketball, for that matter) that has any relationship to the academic and research missions of our public universities.
As for Kenneth Starr, he has proven himself to be the hypocrite most of us thought him to be in the 1990s. He can persecute a President who is not of his political party for having an extramarital affair, an act totally driven by partisan zeal, and then turn a blind eye to rape at the college he leads.
What is a lawyer and judge doing leading a college, anyway? What does Kenneth Starr know about education or research or administration? Judging by the pointless squandering of tens of millions of taxpayer dollars in the 1990s at his behest, the latter certainly couldn't have been thought a strong point in his favor by those who hired him to lead Baylor.
Go away, Kenneth Starr. Go hide under a rock and repent the harm you did the country in the 1990s and the harm you have now done to the victims of sexual assault in Waco.
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Excellent.
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For the other folks who were wondering what kind of 'punishment' will be meted out to Ken "Peeping Tom" Starr for ignoring the abuse of young women while sheltering profitable rapists:
"A chancellor is a leader of a college or university, usually either the executive or ceremonial head of the university or of a university campus. In most Commonwealth (or former Commonwealth) nations, the chancellor is usually a titular (ceremonial figurehead) non-resident head of the university."
Ceremonial figurehead. Or to put it another way, tossed down from his current position as ceremonial figurehead to yet another cushioned bed strewn with rose petals and down pillows.
We are, of course, left to wonder what the compensation of a ceremonial figurehead comes to in dollars, given that (as the Waco Tribune reported in 2012): "Starr, who took office in June 2010, also received $95,944 in additional benefits that year for a total compensation package of $413,865."
"A chancellor is a leader of a college or university, usually either the executive or ceremonial head of the university or of a university campus. In most Commonwealth (or former Commonwealth) nations, the chancellor is usually a titular (ceremonial figurehead) non-resident head of the university."
Ceremonial figurehead. Or to put it another way, tossed down from his current position as ceremonial figurehead to yet another cushioned bed strewn with rose petals and down pillows.
We are, of course, left to wonder what the compensation of a ceremonial figurehead comes to in dollars, given that (as the Waco Tribune reported in 2012): "Starr, who took office in June 2010, also received $95,944 in additional benefits that year for a total compensation package of $413,865."
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And we wonder why college tuition is no longer affordable.
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Major props to Baylor for taking action in a ledite and cortionary manner.
Hopefully it stands to give proper measure to future athletic groups who take the students chances, both proper and situated, strongly.
I applaud their leaders.
Hopefully it stands to give proper measure to future athletic groups who take the students chances, both proper and situated, strongly.
I applaud their leaders.
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Lo, how the mighty have fallen. Hoisted on his own petard. What goes around comes around. An unlimited list of cliches and metaphors for old Ken and his situation. It's just perfect retribution. Really good stuff.
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Ken Starr now proudly takes his place in the Sexual Hypocrisy Hall of Fame, alongside such stalwarts as Coach Hastert and Newt Gingrich.
Golly...I'm so proud.
Golly...I'm so proud.
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You forgot to include Barney Frank.
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While it's Baylor this time, another day it will be another school and another incident. What is going on? Time to be honest "big time" = arrogance. Let's get big time out of college athletics, and that might help make America great again.
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I commented on the previous article about Starr praising Bill Clinton that Starr had lost his moral compass. This article raises the question did he ever have a moral compass? I believe it is the later. His compass only points to who is buttering his bread at that moment. What a phony. He's lucky Baylor is allowing him to stay as chancellor. I say toss him out on his ear. Be done with him.
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Agreed.
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Don't do to others what you don't want done to you. Payback is a bear.
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Good for Baylor.
But shouldn't Starr be fired? He's in charge and, at a minimum, looked completely the other way as the multiple allegations went with zero or little investigation. Remember, he's been heavily involved in promoting Baylor athletics, getting the new football stadium built, etc. He really was NOT at arms length from the athletic programs.
The man really cares about sexual misbehavior by Presidents, I guess, but rape, not so much.
But shouldn't Starr be fired? He's in charge and, at a minimum, looked completely the other way as the multiple allegations went with zero or little investigation. Remember, he's been heavily involved in promoting Baylor athletics, getting the new football stadium built, etc. He really was NOT at arms length from the athletic programs.
The man really cares about sexual misbehavior by Presidents, I guess, but rape, not so much.
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It's business as usual. Next?
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Ah! What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Ken Starr gave off that wonderful, warm sanctimonious feeling.
Nothing like those born again jock loving two faced leaders.
And Title IX. Guaranteed to make us great again.
Just think! Nelson A. Rockefeller, Gary Hart, Jack and Teddy Kennedy and their father Joe, that Kennedy Clan and Lyndon Johnson and his women, Bill Clinton and today's energizer, Barney Frank and his, we have such good leaders setting all the right examples.
Bag that coach.
Let's hear it for Robert Maynard Hutchins and Big Ten football banned at The University of Chicago.
Head injiries match lead in the water. What big time athlete graduates at the top of his class? How many finish?
Who cares?
They are hired. Their women need not be on campus.
Ken Starr gave off that wonderful, warm sanctimonious feeling.
Nothing like those born again jock loving two faced leaders.
And Title IX. Guaranteed to make us great again.
Just think! Nelson A. Rockefeller, Gary Hart, Jack and Teddy Kennedy and their father Joe, that Kennedy Clan and Lyndon Johnson and his women, Bill Clinton and today's energizer, Barney Frank and his, we have such good leaders setting all the right examples.
Bag that coach.
Let's hear it for Robert Maynard Hutchins and Big Ten football banned at The University of Chicago.
Head injiries match lead in the water. What big time athlete graduates at the top of his class? How many finish?
Who cares?
They are hired. Their women need not be on campus.
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Don't think "big time" athletes graduate and at the top of their classes? Try this one on for size: Northwestern University
Go check it out. And given that the performance of their scholarship athletes includes both men and women, the last part of your comment makes little sense
Go check it out. And given that the performance of their scholarship athletes includes both men and women, the last part of your comment makes little sense
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It's about time that respect for others trumped sports, stardom and money. With the current election you always here the mantra, "Let's Make America Great Again!" Well folks, when you consider the America formed not under life, liberty and equality for all, but under slavery; the massacre and removal of native Americans, the disenfranchisement of Hispanics, Chinese, women, the poor, and others, the "Great America" that we keep hearing of should be considered a state to which someday we can arrive. But we have never been there. So if you think we are still great, then you must be thinking that our military might is the sole consideration. Or perhaps the fact that you have never experienced the bitter pill of being cast aside for a job, scholarship, admission to a school, a promotion, training, an award, or some other tangible benefit that you are eligible for or have earned, solely because you are not white male, makes you blind to what discrimination really is and the devastating impact it can have on its victims.
Is there hope to make America great? I think there is. What is happening to police officers that use their badges to wrongly deprive citizens of their freedom or life and what happened to the Baylor leadership, are indicators of a movement to stop this hate and build a nation founded on inclusiveness and solidarity among its citizens. But then you consider the 2016 Presidential campaign and doubt creeps in.
Is there hope to make America great? I think there is. What is happening to police officers that use their badges to wrongly deprive citizens of their freedom or life and what happened to the Baylor leadership, are indicators of a movement to stop this hate and build a nation founded on inclusiveness and solidarity among its citizens. But then you consider the 2016 Presidential campaign and doubt creeps in.
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Thank you Humberto; your comment sums up the situation fairly succinctly.
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Sexual misconduct on college campuses is so widespread that I tend to wonder whether those who are sanctioned are just those who were caught and whether they are any worse than the others. Maybe Starr and the Baptists are terrible hypocrites. But maybe they are no worse than everybody else. One thing for sure, though. This scandal coincides with a sports renaissance at Baylor, which resulted in high profile success in both football and men's and women's basketball. Again, though it's hard to know whether they compromised for success or whether success put in a spotlight abuse that goes on all over the place.
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Bull. You remember the pretext to invade Iraq was "weapons of mass destruction"? Well the pretext to further lowering the percentage of males getting advanced degrees is "sexual misconduct on campus". Ie, make college campus a place where men are looked at as sexual assailants just for being present on the campus, the you removing them becomes easy.
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I don't think those men athlete accused of having "weapons of mass destruction." as for your opinions, it shows why colleges don't really educate much, so it is doing those 'men' that you mentioned a big favor saving them time and money. maybe they should all join the military to defend our country; and there are plenty of women in other countries to satisfy their animalistic desire.
Yes the men on American College campuses are increasing being accused of being nothing more than a menace - potential rapists, sexual assault assailants.
So you did not understand my "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Iraq invasion pretext metaphor, so I'll try another: German and East European Jews were demonized with reinforce the racial antisemitism and religious anti-Judaism before they were exterminated under the Third Reich. Is that comparison more understandable to you?
So you did not understand my "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Iraq invasion pretext metaphor, so I'll try another: German and East European Jews were demonized with reinforce the racial antisemitism and religious anti-Judaism before they were exterminated under the Third Reich. Is that comparison more understandable to you?
President Obama recently ordered federal agencies to stop asking job applicants if they have criminal records on grounds it discriminates against minorities who are more likely to have criminal records. No Baylor is being castigated because it enrolled a minority student athlete who had been accused but not charged or convicted of domestic abuse involving his girlfriend. Why the double standard? When the athlete was accused of rape after enrolling at Baylor, he was charged, convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison. Why is this considered insufficient?
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A new high for Baptist Christian hypocrisy. You can't dance at Baylor, but you can rape. Some Investigation. Some punishment. Where are the police? Where is the district attorney? Where are the criminal charges? What did Ken Starr know and when did he know it?
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It is much easier to cast the ol' stones at others than actually be a righteous human.
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gee.....this is only an uncountable amount of times this has happened with stoo dent a th a leets in big revenue sports in American institutes of 'higher' learning. the system stinks to high heavens--as do so many aspects of American culture, it seems.
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Starr was demoted from college president to chancellor. Isn't this like being demoted from President of The United States to President of The World?
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Couldn't happen to nicer guys. But demotion for Starr, the great crusader. He should have been dragged through really slimy mud for a couple of decades, impeached, convicted, defrocked, exposed for what he is, and then tossed out.
What goes around ...
What goes around ...
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Why are a football coach and university responsible for conducting a sex assault investigation. Shouldn't this be up to trained police officers?
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Hey, Bill ... light up a cigar and put your feet up on the desk. Give Ken Starr a call and tell him how happy you are for his success.
Baylor: you aren't my school and I don't waste time thinking happy thoughts for or about you, but I give you a bit of credit for almost ... ALMOST ... doing the right thing. You're way ahead of other schools in tending to problems generated by your sports programs.
Someone on the Baylor committee that handled this had the courage to raise his or her hand and utter the necessary words: "I move that Baylor University fire Coach Art Briles and President Ken Starr." But once the motion was on the table, that committee ALMOST did the complete and right things.
Good on ya', BU.
Baylor: you aren't my school and I don't waste time thinking happy thoughts for or about you, but I give you a bit of credit for almost ... ALMOST ... doing the right thing. You're way ahead of other schools in tending to problems generated by your sports programs.
Someone on the Baylor committee that handled this had the courage to raise his or her hand and utter the necessary words: "I move that Baylor University fire Coach Art Briles and President Ken Starr." But once the motion was on the table, that committee ALMOST did the complete and right things.
Good on ya', BU.
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Like any great drama, there are multiple story lines here. First is the obvious tragedy of the women who will endure the pain of assault for the rest of their lives. Then, there's the reputation of the university and the distraction these crimes will cast on the academic reputation of the school. But the twist of fate of Mr. Starr's role in this awful turn of events is pretty incredible. The man who sported such a holier than Bill attitude is now under fire for, ironically, sex crimes committed under his watch. Unlike Bill's crime of perjury, we have Mr. Starr choosing to ignore not only crimes of sexual assault, but violations of blues of a staunchly conservative institution. For that he gets to stay on as chancellor? Looking forward to seeing how he justifies this.
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I'm sure if it had been Democratic politicians accused of wrong-doing instead of football players, Starr would've been all over it.
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The hypocrisy of this man is boundless. That says it all.
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Neither Title IX nor the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act requires university presidents or football coaches to manage sexual assault cases. Title IX doesn’t even mention sexual assault while the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act applies to federally recognized Native American tribes. The responsibility of universities in sexual assault cases should be limited to including the ones that occur on or near campus to their triannual Clery Act reports. We don’t expect college presidents and football coaches to manage other criminal cases such as murder are armed robbery. Why should they be expected to manage sexual assault cases? Why not we hold coaches but no deans of academic departments responsible for crimes their students commit?
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"Neither Title IX nor the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act requires university presidents or football coaches to manage sexual assault cases."
Maybe not, but decency should prevent them from looking the other way, covering up, lying about, and making the victims targets of retribution. Baylor failed on all counts.
"We don’t expect college presidents and football coaches to manage other criminal cases such as murder are armed robbery. Why should they be expected to manage sexual assault cases"
If those cases happen on their campuses and involve their students we do. If, like Baylor, those campuses have their own police departments designed to investigate crimes committed on campus they have an obligation to enforce the law even if it costs the football team some players. It seems clear from the report that Baylor failed to investigate these crimes and protect their students from their dangerous classmates.
Maybe not, but decency should prevent them from looking the other way, covering up, lying about, and making the victims targets of retribution. Baylor failed on all counts.
"We don’t expect college presidents and football coaches to manage other criminal cases such as murder are armed robbery. Why should they be expected to manage sexual assault cases"
If those cases happen on their campuses and involve their students we do. If, like Baylor, those campuses have their own police departments designed to investigate crimes committed on campus they have an obligation to enforce the law even if it costs the football team some players. It seems clear from the report that Baylor failed to investigate these crimes and protect their students from their dangerous classmates.
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Explain to me how Mr. Starr retains administrative confidence in his continued role as Chancellor. It seems as if faculty and other university employees would find it problematic, as well as alumni and potential donors. Regardless of any contractual issues, wouldn't Baylor be better positioned to make a clean break with Starr?
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There is justice in the world after all. Priggish Ken Starr, that paragon of upright morals whose zealous witch hunting ruined the life of Monica Lewinsky, if not those of Bill and Hilary Clinton, causing great distractions to all while Al Queda plotted 9-11, has finally been hoisted on his own pitard.
Sanctimonious Starr should resign as chancellor of Baylor and reflect as whether his God might be punishing him.
Sanctimonious Starr should resign as chancellor of Baylor and reflect as whether his God might be punishing him.
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This case was not about Kenneth Starr,it was not about Art Briles, and it was not about football This case is about the victims of sexual assault who were afforded no protection by the university they attended because that university was more interested in making money through donations, ticket sales, and merchandising.
As the parent of a college aged daughter, it sickens me to know that the people entrusted with the safety of our kids traded their physical and mental well being for money and prestige. Shame on Baylor.
As the parent of a college aged daughter, it sickens me to know that the people entrusted with the safety of our kids traded their physical and mental well being for money and prestige. Shame on Baylor.
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Cutting through the Starr hate/hypocrisy angle, this is about one thing: COLLEGE SPORTS MONEY-- the poisonous nectar to which supposedly higher education is addicted in America. Unheard of in most other countries, the pure insanity that infects our university system has a single organism to blame: sports and, more particularly, football (American). So, I don't care about Starr's hypocrisy or the fact that the school is Baptist or the fact that the coach almost won something a few times -- this thing is about dead presidents generated (usually from TV deals) and growing the university endowment (primarily through sporting program boosters). Solution? A soul transplant for America. Not gonna happen.
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If you want to understand the moral rot at the core of the Southern Baptist Convention, pick up a copy of Rev. Jimmy Allen's book, "Burden of a Secret: A Story of Truth and Mercy in the Face of AIDS." Rev. Allen was the head of the Southern Baptist Convention, until he lost a grandchild, his daughter in law (due to a tainted blood transfusion she had received during the delivery of her older son), and his younger son came out and discovered that he was HIV positive. The church ran them all out, and demanded that Scott Allen, Jimmy's son and Lydia's husband, resign because of the illnesses, when he sought their succor and support. Jimmy Allen never returned, nor did his son Scott - can anyone blame them? The fact that Baylor has opted to give the consummate hypocrite Ken Starr a new title speaks volumes about their own craven desire for millions of dollars in football lucre. It speaks equally loudly about the moral hypocrisy at the core of all of the right wing bigots. One could consider this long-overdue karma for Starr, but it comes as no surprise that Starr himself is a black hole with zero morality or integrity.
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Only men who’ve never made a single other woman (or man) happy in their entire lives could be confused by the definitions or meanings of consent or assault.
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Remember, the republicriminals spent $150,000,000 investigating the Clintons with Starr getting $1000 for his "legal services". Now we can question what $1000 an hour bought.
Misogyny is such a part of the christian church both among the catholics and protestants. The baptists preach about women being submissive to their husbands.
It is hard to imagine what service he will provide the university based on his record.
He should be stripped of all academic titles and told to leave by the end of the day under the supervision of an armed guard.
What shame he brings to the legal profession and the university.
Misogyny is such a part of the christian church both among the catholics and protestants. The baptists preach about women being submissive to their husbands.
It is hard to imagine what service he will provide the university based on his record.
He should be stripped of all academic titles and told to leave by the end of the day under the supervision of an armed guard.
What shame he brings to the legal profession and the university.
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$1000 per hour made the twaddle written by Starr authoritative.
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The atheists -- particularly Richard Dawkins -- have their own misogyny problems. It seems that misogyny is common among the religious and the non-religious. Everyone else treats women as equals.
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Dawkins also thought invading Iraq was a great idea.
It is silly to claim that all atheists are misogynistic. There are plenty of atheistic women too.
It is silly to claim that all atheists are misogynistic. There are plenty of atheistic women too.
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It is my hope that some enterprising lawyer will find a legal way to make the administration of Baylor personally liable for the sexual assaults endured by these young women on Baylor's campus. Until one of them actually does time, this attitude toward women and football players on major college campuses will continue.
That Starr didn't see fit to resign is remarkable. What an empty suit!
That Starr didn't see fit to resign is remarkable. What an empty suit!
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Let's start at the beginning. Did Boise State fail to inform Baylor of Ukwuachu's misdeeds? There is a theory of law known as negligent referral--did Boise metaphorically drop the ball when this player transferred? Why the discrepancy between Boise and Baylor? Shouldn't there have been some document along with transcripts, notifying Baylor of the player's alleged actions?
True, Boise has an office of institutional compliance, but does it have jurisdiction over athletes, or is that a separate office? How effective is the Boise Title IX office ?
True, Boise has an office of institutional compliance, but does it have jurisdiction over athletes, or is that a separate office? How effective is the Boise Title IX office ?
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Frankly, at this point, I'd be way more surprised to learn an NCAA football program WASN'T passively allowing their players to get away with sex crimes.
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Why colleagues are so obsessed with sports? are they not on the business of education first and foremost? Any parents who are paying expensive tuitions to send their kids to sport oriented school might be better off spending it on themselves.
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Sports that cause irreversible damage to brains, no less.
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Point of fact: Baylor's "former federal prosecutor" who did the initial investigation was never a federal prosecutor. He did have a six-month stint as an assistant criminal District Attorney in McLennan County, Texas (where Baylor is located). By all accounts he lost every case.
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Football is now a 'collegiate business' providing much needed revenues for universities like Baylor - coaches and administrators are increasingly under pressure to make accommodations for athletes. Colleges need a dose of reality to maintain discipline in their athletic programs. It's a travesty having a man like Ken Starr allow such activity - he needs to be removed as Chancellor as well. It will be up to the Trustees of many schools to monitor scholastic activities and their participants in insure an environment that's within regulation and safety.
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Ahhh.... Sweet! Would give anything to see Bill Clinton's reaction to this story.
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Ken Starr involved in a sex scandal? That's rich! It occurs to me that he probably praised Bill Clinton this week in order to distract from his own involvement in a sexual scandal.
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Yeah, remember way back when Ken Starr was on the shortlist for a Supreme Court seat? So unfortunate that we missed out on such a great set of values to judge us all.
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The Baylor situation is worse than people realize. First, the sexual assault allegations and convictions have cast a pall over the university, and violated the students' right to a safe learning environment. The second disturbing aspect is the unintended consequences of holding schools responsible for the behavior of their adult students.
Most people are from liberal arts backgrounds in public universities. They automatically assume that misbehavior by university students is the result of permissive cultures within the university. However, these beliefs do not reflect reality for many students in the United States. Baylor was once a strict Baptist school, some people might even say Baylor was a fundamentalist religious school because the moral covenants enforced by the school extended beyond the campus. Basically, Baylor students and employees were not entitled to their own private lives. Students, faculty, and administrators fought for the right to have their privacy respected, and to make the university more tolerant of innocuous on-campus student activities, like dances, which were banned for many decades.
Tragedy struck because Baylor was finally learning to let go, and now federal regulation compels Baylor to return to babysitting students. To the untrained eye, this development seems like a victory for public decency, but the hardline theocrats could assume power as easily as pragmatic do-gooders. Campus issues are always more complex than they appear.
Most people are from liberal arts backgrounds in public universities. They automatically assume that misbehavior by university students is the result of permissive cultures within the university. However, these beliefs do not reflect reality for many students in the United States. Baylor was once a strict Baptist school, some people might even say Baylor was a fundamentalist religious school because the moral covenants enforced by the school extended beyond the campus. Basically, Baylor students and employees were not entitled to their own private lives. Students, faculty, and administrators fought for the right to have their privacy respected, and to make the university more tolerant of innocuous on-campus student activities, like dances, which were banned for many decades.
Tragedy struck because Baylor was finally learning to let go, and now federal regulation compels Baylor to return to babysitting students. To the untrained eye, this development seems like a victory for public decency, but the hardline theocrats could assume power as easily as pragmatic do-gooders. Campus issues are always more complex than they appear.
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"Tragedy struck because Baylor was finally learning to let go," You can't be serious.
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"Tragedy struck because Baylor" seemingly became more concerned with maintaining its powerhouse football program than about its stated mission and its students. This is amazing in that it happens on some level again and again at schools blinded by the glory and money associated with big time college sports. Remember what the University of Chicago president said generations ago when he closed their football program. There is a lesson in it that should be heeded.
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It is not "learning to let go" but rather "protecting the U and the criminals at the expense of the victims.
Quite different.
Quite different.
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o irony! Clinton retained his presidency, and Starr has lost his. You couldn't right it any better.
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Having Ken Starr as part of an institution is like pouring lead pollution to poison your own water!
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Ecclesiastes (KJV) 1:1-18 and Hosea 8:7.
Over and over again, the arrogance of the smug and self righteous brings them down. Quite apart from the terrible irony of this sordid story for the victims of the assaults, it is all a cautionary tale that easily can apply to all 3 of the remaining presidential candidates.
Over and over again, the arrogance of the smug and self righteous brings them down. Quite apart from the terrible irony of this sordid story for the victims of the assaults, it is all a cautionary tale that easily can apply to all 3 of the remaining presidential candidates.
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How absolutely fitting that Ken Starr now deals with the consequences of sexual transgressions at the university over which he was responsible.
This is surely a perfect illustration of hypocrisy and fate.
This is surely a perfect illustration of hypocrisy and fate.
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Someone needs to investigate handling of Ken Starr's secretary's DWI. Police picked her up totally intoxicated; her also intoxicated passenger husband went home, came back to jail on a motorcycle so out of control police arrested him. Whole incident later hushed up and no charges ever brought. Same District attorney involved as in rape cases. A topic of local conversation for a long time.
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Ironic, isn't it: The self-righteous protector of White House decency loses his moral compass in failing to protect victims of sexual predators in his university. No double standard here, oh, no.
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I am not surprised but I am sickened by both the fact of him presiding over this in light if his falsely framing Ms Lewinsky as a victim to make Clinton seem like a sex offender and what he is quoted as saying at the end of the article.
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Oh I see: it's not okay for a University president to ignore sexual assaults but it IS okay for a chancellor. So we'll just change Ken Starr's title and all is okay! FIRE THE CREEP.
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They kicked him upstairs.
Did they cut his salRy is the big question.
Did they cut his salRy is the big question.
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There was a High School Principal in Houston who had a sexual assault on his campus and wound up arrested. Apparently according to Texas Law, reporting sexual assaults internally isn't enough. They need to be reported to the Police.
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Any word on whether Ken Star is going to be led away in handcuffs and dragged through months long legal proceedings, like that poor principal was? I think a lot of us would see the karma in that....
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Any word on whether Ken Star is going to be led away in handcuffs and dragged through months long legal proceedings, like that poor principal was? I think a lot of us would see the karma in that....
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Perhaps now when all of these condescending Baptists meet each other in the liquor store they can now stop and give one another an ever so slight all knowing and approving nod of the head confirming that their beloved University finally got it right before bolting the other way. I knew there was something to Starr's remorse for WJC.
How utterly hypocritical.
How utterly hypocritical.
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Meanwhile Florida State and the local Police Department continue in their long-running policy of aiding and abetting rapists.
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If you wait long enough you see the snake eating its tail. Full circle. The biter bit.
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What goes around, comes around.
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Why is he still the Chancellor. Obviously the safety of women students on campus was secondary to the football millions. He became famous for his zealous investigation of Clinton on sexual misconduct portraying himself has a moralistic Christian. And his own administration at Baylor he turns a blind eye on sexual misconduct proving beyond all doubt he is big hypocrite. Bad Karma always gets you.
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I only read the sex part of the Starr Report, which convinced me that the author was some kind of voyeur.
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Any university who would make starr its president deserves everything bad it gets. And the fact that this nastiest of persons wasn`t fired makes me wish the very worst for baylor.
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This really isn't NEW or news, as it has been going on for decades!
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It would appear that Mr. Starr believes consensual sex is more legally actionable than non-consensual sex.
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What an irony this is, for Kenneth Starr, what goes around comes around. The man who, almost 20 years ago tried to have President Bill Clinton removed from office by impeachment for alleged sexual impropriety with White House intern Monica Lewinsky now finds himself removed from the presidency of Baylor University for failing to adequately handle allegations of sexual assault against some of the university's football players. Mr Starr seems to be a different person when he's on the defensive than when he goes on the attack. Its a good thing Bill Clinton didn't hire him to be his defender in the Lewinsky affair. With Mr Starr as his defender Mr Clinton probably would have been removed from office in the impeachment trial in the Senate.
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How about a nice, multi-year, multi-$million investigation into anything and everything that Starr has said or done in the last 20 years?
Like the one HE foisted on the public! At OUR expense, no less!
Like the one HE foisted on the public! At OUR expense, no less!
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If Baylor was serious about doing what is right they would leave the Mammon of Division I athletics for Division III, where there are no outrageous salaries, paid student 'athletes,' or overwraught football palaces.
Oh, except at namesake Mary Hardin-Baylor just down the road, where the same McLane that footed the bill for Baylor's McLane stadium built a stadium that has no business in Division III.
Oh, except at namesake Mary Hardin-Baylor just down the road, where the same McLane that footed the bill for Baylor's McLane stadium built a stadium that has no business in Division III.
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and,
what now,
for the assaulted individuals?
the Board's actions,
at least to date,
are vastly incomplete.
in addition to compensation and reconciliation for-and-with the victims,
at a minimum,
both Chancellor Starr and AD McCaw must GO...
- - - perhaps both are pending departure negotiations.
unlike far too many public schools all across this country,
mine included,
at least a first-step has finally been taken in this situation.
may some level of peace and recovery be found by the injured.
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Nice Christian college values.
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I love a good karma!
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Talk about Hoist on your own Petard....how cool is that? Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.
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Too easy: Baylor should impeach him
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Kenneth Starr should have to fall on the same sword he used in his attempts to eviscerate a sitting United States President for doing far less.
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Under Title IX and elsewhere there are federal legal considerations here. I suggest the President appoint a Special Prosecutor to look into Starr's role in all this. A good choice would be William J. Clinton, Esq. I understand he may be available.
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that's what Dante would call "divine retribution".
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From your lips to God's ear....
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Well now, this certainly puts James Carville's book, "...And The Horse He Rode In On: The People vs. Kenneth Starr" (1998) in a whole new light...Oh how delightful the irony, to now be undone by someone's sexual behavior.
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Hmmm... maybe that's what karma's all about, ey, Ken?
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Now begins the period of redemption that Mr. Starr gushed about for President Clinton. Amazing prescience; awesome coincidence.
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Is it safe to assume that the Right Honorable Kenneth Starr Esq. did not pursue the allegations of sexual misconduct as zealously as he has shown capable off because the accused were not Democrats?
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What goes around, comes around.
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From Whitewater to whitewash, Kenneth Starr must be so proud of his career arc over the past 20-plus years. His resume can now cite titles like Political Witch Hunter, Pornographic Report Writer and Baylor University's President of Football Criminal Law and Chancellor of Sexual Abuse Disinformation. If only he could be questioned about all this under oath.
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Kenneth Starr went after Bill Clinton over his consensual involvement with another adult to the utter humiliation of our entire country, for the same reason he allowed sexual predators on his prized football team to get away with rape at Baylor: Power and the almighty dollar.
And it isn't just Baylor who is guilty. Brigham Young has a history of treating sexual assault victims more like criminals who are guilty for breaking their moral and religious code of conduct. So if you are out on a date with a boy and have a few drinks and he rapes you, they see it as your fault for being alone with a man and drinking alcohol. I would be interested to know how Baylor handles sexual assaults between students not involved in the football/athletic programs. Sexual assaults of any kind cannot be good for the schools reputation.
Thank you Baylor and Brigham Young for setting victims rights back to the 19th century and turning once fine institutions of higher education into perfect examples of the moral and financial corruption that plagues our society.
And it isn't just Baylor who is guilty. Brigham Young has a history of treating sexual assault victims more like criminals who are guilty for breaking their moral and religious code of conduct. So if you are out on a date with a boy and have a few drinks and he rapes you, they see it as your fault for being alone with a man and drinking alcohol. I would be interested to know how Baylor handles sexual assaults between students not involved in the football/athletic programs. Sexual assaults of any kind cannot be good for the schools reputation.
Thank you Baylor and Brigham Young for setting victims rights back to the 19th century and turning once fine institutions of higher education into perfect examples of the moral and financial corruption that plagues our society.
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Excellent! For such a conservative Christian, football driven school to take this action is amazing. As for Kenneth Starr: I hope he enjoys the instant karma shame of it all .... which still doesn't equal the retribution due him after his MccCarthyesque Clinton witch hunt. And I don't even like the Clintons.
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PY, you write:
"For such a conservative Christian, football driven school to take this action is amazing."
Allow me to counter:
"That so many immoralists and criminals were employed by such conservative Christian school is amazing." (Actually, the more apt word is sickening.)
"For such a conservative Christian, football driven school to take this action is amazing."
Allow me to counter:
"That so many immoralists and criminals were employed by such conservative Christian school is amazing." (Actually, the more apt word is sickening.)
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That too, Ken. Times like this I really miss Molly Ivins
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The sanctimonious Mr. Starr just got demoted. For his various sins, he deserves worse.
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What goes around, comes around. Always thought Starr was a hypocrite and now I know for sure. Why isn't he being fired like the folks at Penn State?
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Ironic that Starr gets "demoted" over a sex scandal. Considering his prurient interest in Bill Clinton's private life when Starr was the "independent" prosecutor, perhaps he was so mesmerized by reading details of the Baylor sex assault cases that he forgot he was the CEO responsible for fixing the problem.
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So the inquisition meets the inquisitor, at last!
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So the man who hunted President Clinton with such zealous fervor for having a consensual sexual relationship ignored repeated sexual assault accusations for his football team? Hypocrite for sure. He should indeed lose all his jobs at Baylor. Perhaps this explains his sudden change of heart about President Clinton?
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So let's see if I have this right: Ken Starr investigated President Clinton over allegations of sexual impropriety and the president is impeached. Check.
He's busted at Baylor for looking the other way while the football coach of a highly-visible and successful (translation: $$$$) football team walks the plank after because his players help themselves to the female ranks of the student body without fear of exposure. Check.
And earlier this week, Prosecutor Starr copped a plea and worried about the tenor of the public dialog and fears a loss of civility in the public discussion. Check.
Republicans and their purity. Check.
He's busted at Baylor for looking the other way while the football coach of a highly-visible and successful (translation: $$$$) football team walks the plank after because his players help themselves to the female ranks of the student body without fear of exposure. Check.
And earlier this week, Prosecutor Starr copped a plea and worried about the tenor of the public dialog and fears a loss of civility in the public discussion. Check.
Republicans and their purity. Check.
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That is one small sample size. Have you ever heard of this happening before?
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So. The impeacher impeached. Thank you, karma.
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I hope other schools so enraptured by their football program take note of the stand leaders at Baylor took, in deposing the two from their positions.
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Several commenters point out how strange it seems that a university, rather than the police, is responsible for investigating a crime and holding the perpetrator responsible. Federal statutes - as the article indicates - require universities to take aggressive action to prevent and investigate these crimes. Secondly,the standard of evidence is much lower for a university to take disciplinary action following an alleged incident, whereas a criminal judgment requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt and is much more difficult to pursue.
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From the limited articles I've read about sexual assault and college football, especially in the Southern states but no doubt elsewhere, the local police force and the campus police are often involved in covering up the whole shebang.
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Not sure I would rely on the Waco police-the community revolves around Baylor and a great many of the city leaders are Baylor grads and think everything about the school is delivered by God. However, everyone involved in this are just human beings and this proves that no institution represents God. I wonder why every member of the Board (who celebrated all of those football victories in high style) did not resign-that would be true "contrition" and taking actual responsibility for their failure to lead the Baylor students.
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Unfortunately that logic only works on paper. Universities are notorious for underinvestigating, sometimes intimidating victims with warnings about how difficult the investigation process will be should they file a formal complaint. I have seen too many victims of rape asked to take a class online if for some odd reason they were concerned about bumping into their rapist on the quad. The problems go deeper than the football team or Greek Row, and the wagons circle to perpetuate the myth of a safe campus for women.
They should also cut Starr's salary by 90%. He now will do less than he did as president of Baylor, which was next to nothing. SHAMEFUL!
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Bravo Baylor Bears! Let this be a clear message to the thugs who are prized by the pro football feeder schools. At least one school is no longer going to tolerate this behavior.
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Why is he still the Chancellor? Students were sexually assaulted on his watch, and he and his administrators did squat -- worse, his administrators "directly discouraged some complainants from reporting or participating in student conduct processes and in one instance constituted retaliation against a complainant for reporting sexual assault."
The buck stops at the desk of the chief executive -- except, apparently, when you are a major fundraiser with important political connections. Texas justice.? GOP just desserts? Starr gets to keep a high paying job and, presumably, his pension and other benefits?
Starr is right about one thing, "No one should have to endure the trauma of these terrible acts of wrongdoing." I wonder how the victims and their families feel, knowing that the person who did nothing after they or their daughters were sexually attacked, still has one of his high-profile, highly-paid jobs?
The buck stops at the desk of the chief executive -- except, apparently, when you are a major fundraiser with important political connections. Texas justice.? GOP just desserts? Starr gets to keep a high paying job and, presumably, his pension and other benefits?
Starr is right about one thing, "No one should have to endure the trauma of these terrible acts of wrongdoing." I wonder how the victims and their families feel, knowing that the person who did nothing after they or their daughters were sexually attacked, still has one of his high-profile, highly-paid jobs?
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Texas Almighty Football. Football above education. Football above safety Football above human decency. Combine Almighty Football with MONEY ( stadium) and Baptist Baylor sanctimonius hypocrisy , and all else falls away.
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Baylor almighty football. A&M is good educationally, morally, and in football
Sacrificing moral considerations for the sake of a winning football team? At the NCAA FBS level? Well clutch my pearls. I'm going to have to sit down and re-evaluate my world view.
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This case also highlights the seeming invincibility of college sports teams that are powerhouses. What happened at Baylor is completely unacceptable, and what is disturbing is the poor behavior goes unaccounted for in many other college sports teams as well. This should be a wake up to call to institute more accountability. The safety and integrity of students should ever have to be sacrificed for the sake of any program. Baylor has failed its students and alumni, including myself.
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According to this article, Baylor "amassed millions of dollars in revenue" from its football program while Starr "has been credited with raising hundreds of millions of dollars for Baylor...in part by yoking its fortunes to football." Because much of this "success" was at the expense of women sexually assaulted by athletes with those in charge either looking the other way or actively engaged in covering up, Baylor should use a substantial part of these ill-gotten gains to help sexual assault victims, either by charitable contributions or by paying compensation to women who were victimized by Baylor athletes. Baylor is supposed to be a Christian institution.
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Sadly, I think an examination of the ranting of the Christian Right indicates that we should not be particularly surprised about Baylor's treatment of young women and concomitant claim of a superior commitment to Christian values.
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Christian Institution = Oxymoron. Look around at how many christian institutions have fallen because of a seemingly endless list of peodfilic assaults on helpless women and children. i.e. Roman Catholic Church et. al.
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Yes! I think it was Ghandi who said"I like your Christ but not your Christians".
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No surprises here. No major college athletic program falls willingly on its own sword. I'll bet there's more to come on this story. This is Baylor's attempt to get out in front of the larger story.
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So what's new or news-worthy? Another football crazed American university, more sexual assault cases perpetrated by its' players, more cover-ups by their Phys. Ed. teachers (laughably referred to as 'Professors') "for the good of the team", more kids getting "University" educations in catching and throwing balls totally unprepared to make a living at anything other then ball-throwing and catching, more educational money wasted on the NFL training camps, and more alumni who won't support libraries, laboratories, etc. but willing give money for teaching kids to catch and throw balls? This latest travesty is not new or news-worthy but just another sad chapter in the sad story of all-too-many American institutes of "higher learning".
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Kenneth Starr should be fired!! Shame on Baylor! Nothing Baylor does will make kids feel safe as long as Starr remains!! This is so sad that the people we entrust with our kids lives are doing this do folks anymore have any shame anymore.
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A footnote: Starr was appointed to replace Whitewater special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske in 1994, by a three-member judicial panel.
One of the members was Joseph Sneed, father of Carly (Sneed) Fiorino.
One of the members was Joseph Sneed, father of Carly (Sneed) Fiorino.
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In the world of sports where memories are short and morality in short supply, Mr. Briles will be picked up by another [desperate] school where his vacant standards can find a new home. Look at Bobby Petrino...drunk, lied, slept and promoted a staffer and now working elsewhere.
Part of the problem is that sports reporting, if one can call it that, is performed by underperforming ESPN. That network's jock-filled staff does not know journalism and anything sad or bad gets as little airtime as possible. The ESPN can move on to charge 2-3x anyone else on CATV for increasingly less quality programming.
Part of the problem is that sports reporting, if one can call it that, is performed by underperforming ESPN. That network's jock-filled staff does not know journalism and anything sad or bad gets as little airtime as possible. The ESPN can move on to charge 2-3x anyone else on CATV for increasingly less quality programming.
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1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted in their lives. So let's say around 20% of the men out there are doing the assaulting. I got news for you- it isn't just the football players.
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Athena, those statistics have been debunked and disproved so many times it's amazing they are still being trotted out as fact. Are you only reading certain sections of the Times these days?
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Please stop perpetuating this false statistic.
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I can't recall anything that matches the hypocrisy of Kenneth Starr! Yes, I am gloating but perpetually saddened about the financial and political cost of Starr's attempt to take down one of our presidents. President Clinton was engaged in adult sex that was consensual unlike the assaults perpetrated by Baylor University football players. It's a disgrace that Baylor didn't fire Starr but continues to protect him.
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Don't tell me -- College athletes commit sexual assault, and their coaches and athletic departments cover it up! This happens in AMERICA?
For the NCAA to do the Right Thing (i.e., not act like the NFL), it must:
1. FIRE Starr unconditionally (i.e., axe the chancellorship title, too)
2. RESTRAIN Briles from ever coaching again in the NCAA
3. Show NO-MERCY on sanctions against the football team
For the NCAA to do the Right Thing (i.e., not act like the NFL), it must:
1. FIRE Starr unconditionally (i.e., axe the chancellorship title, too)
2. RESTRAIN Briles from ever coaching again in the NCAA
3. Show NO-MERCY on sanctions against the football team
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by his endless harassment and obsession, kenneth starr taught my then innocent six year old child to inquire about oral sex. Thanks Ken.
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Karma. sweet karma
But this should have been in news section not sports.
But this should have been in news section not sports.
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Let's put this into terms the Baylor stake holders will understand.
"He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind."
-----Hosea
"He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind."
-----Hosea
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In this man's moral universe, lying about sexual acts between two consenting adults is an impeachable offense, but forcible rape of young girls by entitled athletes is no need for alarm. After all, boys will be boys. This man doesn't have the moral center to teach Sunday school, much less lead a university.
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Ken Starr is a hypocrite who deserves to be fired. I wonder if the victims should press charges against him for obstructing justice and for simply not doing his job?
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Bravo, Gloria
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Nonsense. Starr has the moral center to be idolized by conservatives as a defender of traditional morality, and he is a defender of traditional morality, since traditional morality includes covering up the sexual misdeeds of the powerful on your side and using the sexual misdeeds of your enemies to destroy them for people who share your traditional (fake) morality.
This man's moral universe is standard in many areas, including the South, the Republican Party, and the Catholic Church before the sex scandals damaged it. Those who are horrified and enraged by it have been averting their eyes from what was always there waiting to be seen, and are therefore an integral part of the problem masquerading as a solution. It is the masquerading solutions that enable the problem to continue.
This man's moral universe is standard in many areas, including the South, the Republican Party, and the Catholic Church before the sex scandals damaged it. Those who are horrified and enraged by it have been averting their eyes from what was always there waiting to be seen, and are therefore an integral part of the problem masquerading as a solution. It is the masquerading solutions that enable the problem to continue.
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Why is it important to mention in this article that the victim was a virgin? Would screaming "no" and "stop" while her head was trapped between the bed and the wall have been considered less of a resistance if she were not?
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Oh my!
Apparently it makes a difference for Prurient Ken who the "home" team is.
Apparently it makes a difference for Prurient Ken who the "home" team is.
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Shame on everyone in administration at Baylor for placing sports above ethics. Starr is a hypocrite to mouth sorrowful words while having presided over a repeating pattern of re-victimizing victims. As the leader who should have been supporting the school's Baptist ideals, he failed miserably and should be completely fired.
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As a woman 20 years out of university and having worked fervently on this issue then, we knew it would take national coverage and interest to create justice where athletes or possible tainted university reputations were involved.
We also thought the only way was to impact universities financially.
This is excellent news . . . those who do not heed this ought to be next.
We also thought the only way was to impact universities financially.
This is excellent news . . . those who do not heed this ought to be next.
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ah, ken starr, sexual scandal hypocrite. compared to christianity, how powerful karma turns out to be!
and let me be clear: i'm sick and tired of the cliché, "let me be clear."
and let me be clear: i'm sick and tired of the cliché, "let me be clear."
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While a demotion is not much for Starr, at least this is a start to putting the safety of women before the almighty dollar and the lionizing of sports.
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it is a step toward making people forget about this and nothing will change
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Another Republican piece of work bobs to the top of the moral cesspool. No surprise that Starr, along with Gingrich and the rest of this GOP flotsam from the 1990s, got heir noses under the tent at Baylor, Fox News, and other misguided enterprises. What's surprising is the number of people who are still willing to reward and elevate them, despite their abject hypocrisy and moral depravity.
On second thought, given the decline of conservatism (into religious fundamentalism and right-wing liberalism) and of the GOP in the last 25 years, it's not really surprising at all.
On second thought, given the decline of conservatism (into religious fundamentalism and right-wing liberalism) and of the GOP in the last 25 years, it's not really surprising at all.
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Let's not forget the men's basketball / Dave Bliss scandal at Baylor that might be the worst scandal in the history of college athletics.
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The glee in Kenneth Starr's downfall is disgusting. What about the women who had to suffer to make this come about? Furthermore, when are these criminals going to be prosecuted to the full fullest extent of the law so our daughters can be safe on campus? Make an example of anyone who commits an act of rape. Get past Kenneth Starr and focus on the real problem. Colleges should not be a part of the justice system.
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Ken Starr is a bum. I remember those days vividly when the Republicans were salivating at finding their Nixon in Bill Clinton. It is possible to think that way about Starr and also feel compassion toward the victims.
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Ken Starr was the pornographer that paid off Monika Lewinsky to lure a vulnerable Bill Clinton away from his task of bringing hope & change to the American people in the face of a massive right wing conspiracy.
Without the perfidy of Starr this nation would have had equal right for trans-gendered toilet goer 20 years before now!
Without the perfidy of Starr this nation would have had equal right for trans-gendered toilet goer 20 years before now!
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Neither should college presidents be enablers of campus rapists.
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Starr obviously saw this coming and it explains why he made surprisingly conciliatory remarks about Bill Clinton. I guess he was hoping to find Jesus .But as often happens in life, what you give you get. Just ask Gingrich, Livingston and Hastert.
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And people were wondering how Baylor, which was, until recently, not very good, in football, became a Big 12 powerhouse. There is more to this story than what is being reported here. I remember the late 1980 where every school, in then the Southwestern Conference, except for Rice, was under probation for one thing or another. It was the era of the SMU Death penalty. And, yes, Baylor, despite is fundamentalist Baplor roots, was among the crowd.
I guess if there is more digging, in the Big 12, more nasty things will start turning up south of the Red River.
I guess if there is more digging, in the Big 12, more nasty things will start turning up south of the Red River.
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The worm turns slowly, but it turns...
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Many here seem quick to revel in the fall of Baylor but please know that many faculty and staff at the university here, not to mention plenty of people in the Waco community, have been calling for Baylor to fully address these glaring accusations for many years now. There are plenty of people whose fortune is tied to Baylor who have been calling for the university to not let football and the enormous money and renown it has brought to drive all important decisions. Today is an important day for that reckoning although not yet enough.
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Brian, lucid points. However, consider the countless other universities and colleges throughout this Morally-Corrupt nation that have been struggling "to not let [sports] and the enormous money...drive all important decisions" -- dozens, probably HUNDREDS, of institutions where infractions as unconscionable as Baylor's are as yet undetected.
Just as it is with the ginormous illegal-drug trade, so it also is with the NCAA: Violations of morals, ethics, and the law are so rampant, it's impossible to destroy the plague. (For reference, also see the NFL....)
Just as it is with the ginormous illegal-drug trade, so it also is with the NCAA: Violations of morals, ethics, and the law are so rampant, it's impossible to destroy the plague. (For reference, also see the NFL....)
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I think it's Ken Starr more than Baylor. Yes, we all know there are good people in Baylor and Waco.
It's rough for Baylor. Certainly, the alumni had no idea this was happening.
I wonder how Starr would judge his own role here? I guess he's lucky he's not the one judging this time. The contrast of his prosecutorial and administrative behavior is shocking.
I wonder how Starr would judge his own role here? I guess he's lucky he's not the one judging this time. The contrast of his prosecutorial and administrative behavior is shocking.
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Well, this is certainly an irony of the year. Starr prosecuted Bill Clinton (needlessly) for his percieved sexual improprieties, but was able to look the other way when bona fide sexual assault meant building a football powerhouse at Baylor.
In the past, with their outrage at Clinton's escapades, Republicans have touted Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston and Denny Hastert as moral alternatives, all of whom produced sexual controversy. Now Ken Starr.
Colleges effectively hire these players to win ball games. The fans demand it. Starr was propagating the system despite his admonitory statement. We won't fix this problem until we elevate moral responsibility over winning football games. Fans aren't there yet, and college administrators, like Ken Starr, cater to their need for entertainment.
In the past, with their outrage at Clinton's escapades, Republicans have touted Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston and Denny Hastert as moral alternatives, all of whom produced sexual controversy. Now Ken Starr.
Colleges effectively hire these players to win ball games. The fans demand it. Starr was propagating the system despite his admonitory statement. We won't fix this problem until we elevate moral responsibility over winning football games. Fans aren't there yet, and college administrators, like Ken Starr, cater to their need for entertainment.
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I'm trying not to show my Schadenfreude.
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THIS IS NOTHING NEW AT BAYLOR!!! Baylor has a long history of sexual misconduct between faculty and students. Kenneth Starr was brought onboard five years ago specifically to help manage the fallout of those scandals were they to go public. At least five tenured faculty members were subsequently dismissed for having sex with students they were directly teaching...including a department chair. There were suicide attempts and several lawsuits against the university that were quietly settled for large sums and with lifetime bans on speaking to the press. They also aggressively went after the whistleblowers and several of those were driven from the university. This place has serious long-term problems with sexual misconduct...this is just the most recent chapter!
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Sadly, you might be correct. Anecdotally: a younger relative of mine (woman) graduated from Baylor just a few years ago, and said there were many more sexual harassment types of behaviors there than she had expected at a school with a religious bent.
Despite her lifelong love of sports (she earned a business degree with a focus on sports management), she blamed the male sports teams, and the lack of discipline from the administration, for creating a campus environment that sent a message to everyone at the school that "men will be men," women were fair game, and harassment wasn't a big deal.
She and her women friends each year made efforts to warn incoming freshmen women about the risks (freshmen women were often intentionally targeted for being less savvy and thus easier to victimize).
Despite her lifelong love of sports (she earned a business degree with a focus on sports management), she blamed the male sports teams, and the lack of discipline from the administration, for creating a campus environment that sent a message to everyone at the school that "men will be men," women were fair game, and harassment wasn't a big deal.
She and her women friends each year made efforts to warn incoming freshmen women about the risks (freshmen women were often intentionally targeted for being less savvy and thus easier to victimize).
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Ken Starr in trouble for NOT investigating sexual misconduct, who would have thought?
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He just can't win!
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What an amazing thing to witness... Kenneth Starr, who was just demoted at Baylor University for covering up sexual assaults by athletes on his campus, has the gall to write, "We must never lose sight of the long-term, deeply personal effects such contemptible conduct has on the lives of survivors."
Don't forget that he allowed at least one of these victims to be retaliated against. A young, victimized student. He was ok with this as long as Baylor was winning football games.
Remembering the witch-hunt he instigated against Monica Lewinsky (https://www.ted.com/tal…/monica_lewinsky_the_price_of_shame…).
He was so morally offended by President Clinton wanting to keep a consensual extramarital affair private that he took it all the way to congressional impeachment and cost the tax payers $70 million (http://www.salon.com/2002/03/13/ray_3/). If his life is not the definition of hypocrisy, I'm not sure what is.
Don't forget that he allowed at least one of these victims to be retaliated against. A young, victimized student. He was ok with this as long as Baylor was winning football games.
Remembering the witch-hunt he instigated against Monica Lewinsky (https://www.ted.com/tal…/monica_lewinsky_the_price_of_shame…).
He was so morally offended by President Clinton wanting to keep a consensual extramarital affair private that he took it all the way to congressional impeachment and cost the tax payers $70 million (http://www.salon.com/2002/03/13/ray_3/). If his life is not the definition of hypocrisy, I'm not sure what is.
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Ken Starr's 1998 report on consensual sex cost taxpayers $40 million as the Republican right-wing lunatic fringe tried their best to tear America to shreds.
But Baylor's Baptist Football Religious Profits negated the need to look into real sexual assault.
God, Greed and Hypocrisy: GOP 2016
But Baylor's Baptist Football Religious Profits negated the need to look into real sexual assault.
God, Greed and Hypocrisy: GOP 2016
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Technically, I think it was consensual heavy petting, but I take your point. An expensive date resulting in a creepy research paper written with way too much input from Prof. Gingrich and various other advisors. Boola boola.
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Pass the collection plate, several fine Cuban cigars and your best Scotch.
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Don't forget how he cause so much unnecessary U.S. distraction that he easily enabled Osama bin Laden to advance his 9-11 plans.
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I am going to sleep beautifully tonight! Can you spell hypocrisy?
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Splendid news. That Starr has been demoted rather than fired outright makes it harder for him to tell the story about pursuing other interests.
Starr is a whited sepulcher, a psalm-singing, voyeuristic, sabbatarian hypocrite.
Starr is a whited sepulcher, a psalm-singing, voyeuristic, sabbatarian hypocrite.
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Gutsy, and good for Baylor. It just set the standard for the NCAA.
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It's astonishing to me that there are several people defending Briles and Starr. Each leader is ultimately responsible for those that work underneath them. Briles, Starr and McCaw ultimately failed their duty in taking the appropriate action. An accusation of rape should always take precedence over wins/losses on the football field.
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A day late and a dollar short.
It will take Baylor years to get back their once good reputation. They literally sold their soul on the alter of college sports.
You can't dance there, but evidently it was just fine to beat women up and rape them. As long as you win on Saturday. Texas and football, you cannot make up how much that sport corrupts their universities and high schools. And hypocritical university presidents.
It will take Baylor years to get back their once good reputation. They literally sold their soul on the alter of college sports.
You can't dance there, but evidently it was just fine to beat women up and rape them. As long as you win on Saturday. Texas and football, you cannot make up how much that sport corrupts their universities and high schools. And hypocritical university presidents.
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The 2003 Baylor basketball scandal was actually far worse, IMO. Also from the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/28/sports/college-basketball-death-and-de...
They sold that reputation years ago when they rewarded the immoral Starr for his political hatcheting of Clinton. It was pure politics for money. They continue to show corruption of the university by not firing the man who had all the info on his desk. And did nothing!!
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He who rises to fame by sex falls to shame by sex.
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Keeping Starr on as Chancellor is like promoting a complicit Bishop to Cardinal in a Catholic pedophile case. He must go at once. What a disgrace to the university and all that it represents. Shame on Starr. If Starr had any decency, he would resign today. And put an end to this embarrassing chapter in our university's otherwise proud history.
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If Starr had any decency. And there you have it.
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Money, football, sex and politics all wrapped up into one neat, concentrated package. The sorry fact is that stories like this will pop up from time to time, leaving the rest of us taxpayers shaking our heads in disgust.
Ken Starr needs to apologize for his wanton role in corroding our political infrastructure during his Inspector Javert-like campaign to discredit the Clintons and the Democrats. The insulation that allowed for civil political discourse has been removed by this man, exposing every political issue to short-circuiting before anything constructive is done.
Thanks, Ken for all of your alleged "foresight and leadership".
Ken Starr needs to apologize for his wanton role in corroding our political infrastructure during his Inspector Javert-like campaign to discredit the Clintons and the Democrats. The insulation that allowed for civil political discourse has been removed by this man, exposing every political issue to short-circuiting before anything constructive is done.
Thanks, Ken for all of your alleged "foresight and leadership".
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Instead of referring to sex as an aspect of this scandal, could it be termed correctly as sexual violence? It is more violence than sex.
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Good point. Thanks.
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FYI Clinton discredited himself by committing perjury in fed. court, being disbarred and paying hundreds of thousands to settle a civil suit over sexual misconduct, accusations of rape as well.
So, a Baptist school led by the man that nearly single handedly publicly humiliated a sitting president over allegations of CONSENSUAL sex with a manipulative young woman (why would anyone keep a semen stained dress) ignores rape allegations as long as possible to maximize football profits? This hero of the religious right is who we look to for our value system? We are truly a broken nation. Baylor would not have demoted Starr is they had not felt him negligent. No doubt as Starr states, his heart is breaking. Quite a fall for a moral crusader to be shown to be a flawed human being, even less interested in protecting young women than his juvenile-minded nemesis Clinton, and every bit as self serving. Shame on you Kenneth Starr. The question is why keep him on as chancellor?
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Mulipulative woman? You are part of the problem. A progressive Democrat
Because he can still fund raise.
It wasn't Monica that was manipulative. It was Monica's so-called friend that taped their conversations and then made them public.
Janet napalitano must be cringing at this. She demotes one chancellor for allegedly scrubbing emails and let's her Berkeley chancellor off the hook for allowing serial sexual misconduct to take place under his watch and allowing the bad prof's to stay on the UC payroll!
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God punishes, no doubt.
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Starr loses the presidency but keeps the chancellor's job. This is like being impeached but not convicted. How appropriate!
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It probably has something to do with the huge amounts he has raised. They must want to keep that coming in.
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With a major difference. Clinton's impeachment was malicious and hypocritical on the part of the Republicans. Starr's demotion was righteous and long overdue.
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So perjury by a sitting President (who happens to be a graduate of Yale, Oxford and Georgetown) is not an impeachable crime?
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Oh, well, he'll still continue to collect his cushy salary and benefits and stock options and pension, etc. Nothing really affects these good old boys. Demotion doesn't really mean anything of substance in this instance.
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and as Chancellor assume he can still fund raise?
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No mention of the Baylor basketball program? The one where the coach falsely accused a murdered player of being involved in drugs so as to protect the coach? I believe Kenneth Starr was around for that one too.
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No, he wasn't.
Check your sources and you will see you are wrong.
Check your sources and you will see you are wrong.
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Fair enough, that's what happens I pop off without starting at google. Still, Baylor has a rough record when it comes to their collegiate coaches.
When Ken Starr made his comments in Feb. 2016, repeated at the end of this article, my reaction was that they were rather minimal:essentially, rape is wrong. But didn't the Baylor community know that all along? And didn't Baylor, as a religious-based school, have some obligation to inculcate that as part of its overall mission?
To me, it was akin to the reaction of some in the hierarchy of the Catholic church in response to sex abuse by priests. Of course it was objectively wrong - we already knew that. But, how was it those priests didn't in the first place?
To me, it was akin to the reaction of some in the hierarchy of the Catholic church in response to sex abuse by priests. Of course it was objectively wrong - we already knew that. But, how was it those priests didn't in the first place?
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Karma.
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But not enough karma. He still has some bad luck coming his way.
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In all fairness to Star, in line with his investigation of Clinton, after investigating this incident, the University should have pursued Star far afield to see if they could destroy him. At the very least they could have deposed him on the details of his sex life and published the transcript.
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Can anyone tell us how many millions of dollars, per his contract, Art Briles will get for being "fired"?
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Now you know who the supposedly deeply religious and morally superior Ken Starr really is..... a guy who think women are trash and deserve to get raped. Unless of course, they're standing behind guys like him, keeping their mouths shut and being good little Stepford Wives. Then they're good little Christian women.
So much for the Christian Right.
So much for the Christian Right.
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The man who spent years - and millions of dollars -obsessively investigating every possible aspect of a case involving consensual sex between two adults, dropped the ball on investigating allegations of sexual assault by a football team. How ironic.
And only a few days ago Ken Starr managed to get himself all over the news by suddenly and unexpectedly going soft on his old nemesis Bill Clinton. Yeah, said Starr, Bill was embroiled in a sex scandal, but hey, look at him now! So, do you think Starr's sudden turn-around had anything, anything, anything to do with his knowledge that he was about to be embroiled in his own scandal, a scandal that, like it or not, would be labeled a sex scandal? If you think Starr's sudden love for Clinton is a coincidence, you're seriously naive.
Ken Starr is a manipulative, amoral, hypocritical, opportunist who will do or say whatever it takes to save his own neck.
And only a few days ago Ken Starr managed to get himself all over the news by suddenly and unexpectedly going soft on his old nemesis Bill Clinton. Yeah, said Starr, Bill was embroiled in a sex scandal, but hey, look at him now! So, do you think Starr's sudden turn-around had anything, anything, anything to do with his knowledge that he was about to be embroiled in his own scandal, a scandal that, like it or not, would be labeled a sex scandal? If you think Starr's sudden love for Clinton is a coincidence, you're seriously naive.
Ken Starr is a manipulative, amoral, hypocritical, opportunist who will do or say whatever it takes to save his own neck.
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Wow, really "sugarcoating" Ken for backtracking on Clinton: "manipulative, amoral, hypocritical, opportunist." You forgot to mention that he was merely the party loyalist for the Republicans to get Wild Bill at all costs. And, he sure did a, "heck of a job." So good, that he removed himself from consideration for SCOTUS. (Too hot.)
Real redemption for Mr. Starr, (like Robert McNamara), is to write the tell all book describing all the conversations with his Republican cohorts on his famous hatchet job. Don't hold your breath.
Real redemption for Mr. Starr, (like Robert McNamara), is to write the tell all book describing all the conversations with his Republican cohorts on his famous hatchet job. Don't hold your breath.
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THIS IS NOTHING NEW AT BAYLOR!!! Baylor has a long history of sexual misconduct between faculty and students. Kenneth Starr was brought onboard five years ago specifically to help manage the fallout of those scandals were they to go public. At least five tenured faculty members were subsequently dismissed for having sex with students they were directly teaching...including a department chair. There were suicide attempts and several lawsuits against the university that were quietly settled for large sums and with lifetime bans on speaking to the press. They also aggressively went after the whistleblowers and several of those were driven from the university. This place has serious long-term problems with sexual misconduct...this is just the most recent chapter!
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Good list, describing Mr. Dean Starr, but you forgot 'voyeur', as others have noted. His report on Clinton and Lewinsky was pornographic. I think that voyeurism, or some other bizarre sexual fetish, is an avenue worth exploring, as he does seem to be another 'doth protest too much' type of 'christian'. Lets ask him!
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"After Ukwuachu’s conviction, Starr ... a former federal prosecutor, to lead an inquiry into the university’s handling of Ukwuachu. A week later, based on that probe, Starr recommended that Baylor’s board hire outside lawyers to conduct another investigation. Soon Baylor announced that the university’s board of regents had retained two attorneys from the law firm ... to conduct a 'thorough and independent and external investigation.'"
Boy, this sure deserves a how-many-lawyers-it-takes-to-change-a-lightbulb joke at Baylor.
Boy, this sure deserves a how-many-lawyers-it-takes-to-change-a-lightbulb joke at Baylor.
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Life's little ironies, eh?
“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” Søren Kierkegaard
“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” Søren Kierkegaard
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The beautiful, beautiful, precious irony. Starr and Hastert. Hypocritical Republican holier-than-thou opportunist fools down in the flames they so well deserve.
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Maybe he could have gotten to the bottom of it sooner if he had had $40mm at his disposal for an thorough investigation.
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Will he be investigated for four years?
Perhaps he even had an extramarital affair sometime during his life. We must find out about THAT whether it has anything to do with these circumstances or not.
We must know every single detail! No expense spared.
Perhaps he even had an extramarital affair sometime during his life. We must find out about THAT whether it has anything to do with these circumstances or not.
We must know every single detail! No expense spared.
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Baylor is still putting money before its' professed morality by merely slapping their big fund raising Starr on the wrist, rather than letting him go. Apparently some universities are only Christian when it's cost effective.
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Don't know how he could even continue to show his face on campus much less remain chancellor. Perhaps merely another indication of his deficiency of character.
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I'm sure it's a no-show job from now on.
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The major donors don't care at all about this or they would be asking for his resignation. These guys are probably going to cut back the donations because Briles was fired and Starr censored. The school culture is set by the big money. And that "big money" can change the culture if it is really interested. And it, generally, is not.
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The question of affording athletes in big-time college sports favorable treatment has been lurking in the shadows for several years, and only recently has it reached the level of a broad, disturbing national story due to criminal activity. If the goal of improved financial contributions can mainly be achieved by allowing those athletically skilled but academically deficient to be admitted with a full scholarship then the university needs to revisit its mission and overall appeal to students who deserve to be admitted.
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Time for NFL and NBA to establish farm teams so we can remove the farce of these criminal types who pretend to go to college - wasting space and funds that can go to students who are real scholars.
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Not only for "several years" but many years.
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let's see what the three remaining candidates for President think about forcing taxpayers to support football and basketball programs so that schools can compete against each other. do they think the coaches and administrators at colleges are overpaid? are these programs really the purpose of college or just a way to pay some adults great sums of money? why were colleges originally started in the first place? was it because the founders wanted football competition?
ban the football and basketball programs at all schools and concentrate on educating our youth.
ban the football and basketball programs at all schools and concentrate on educating our youth.
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Sounds a great deal like SMU and the Pony Express era. I suspect that the NCAA will give Baylor the death penalty. They should have done the same thing to Miami but the president is a FOB, Friend of Bill.
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Schools should be in the business of education. period. Funds from sports should never impact the rest of the school.
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By stripping his presidency but allowing Ken Starr remain the chancellor, this rings hollow.
But what do you expect from an institution who hired Ken Starr in the first place?
But what do you expect from an institution who hired Ken Starr in the first place?
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In a cruel twist of irony, the man who became famous as a result of his dogged determination to find a crime in the sexual dalliances of a president gets demoted for a "fundamental failure" in handling accusations of sexual assault as a university president...
When it comes to human vanity, fate almost always seems to have the last laugh!
When it comes to human vanity, fate almost always seems to have the last laugh!
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Now gleaming football stadiums, sexual assaults and millions of dollars with Ken Starr types is the norm the United States has chosen over student activism is the 1960s. The National Guard shot 4 students for merely protesting the Vietnam war on campus and this is now the preference of status for a college or university of higher learning.
The United States has chosen a Bizarro World out of my comprehension.
The United States has chosen a Bizarro World out of my comprehension.
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or these high profile athletes parents are too poor to provide them proper legal representation thus they are being thrown under the bus and convicted, imagine if those Duke Lacrosse Players didn't have wealthy parents.
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It’s strange how a country like the U.S., meritocratic and egalitarian from the outside, is so firmly divided to upstairs and downstairs classes with rights and privileges to match.
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As a Baylor alum who has been very troubled by these events, I am surprised and heartened to read this news. Maybe this university, which so boldly declares its love for Jesus but has seemingly gotten caught up in the fame of football, will be chastened enough to continue the self-reflection and move back to its self-proclaimed moral center. I hope so. I am heavy-hearted for those who have been hurt along the way, and hope that this will be one small piece of their healing.
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There's no chance of healing until the CORRUPT Ken Starr is dumped out of Baylor.
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I was a Baylor student for three and a half years in the mid-70s. Football players were worshipped, coddled and held up as demi-gods then. I hope Mr. Starr finds himself on the wrong side of an indictment. Also Mr. Briles. Baylor talks a lot about Jesus and morality, but even when I was there in the Dark Ages, the talk was only that -- talk.
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What? Is it possible that we might have a New Day in Texas when an ultra-conservative university President is demoted and its football coach is fired....when they have a WINNING football team?
Bring me the smelling salts...
Bring me the smelling salts...
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Precious. To Ken Starr, Bill Clinton's consensual sex was the crime of the century. But sexual assault by football players in Starr's own house? Whatev.
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Can you say IRONY!
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How about KARMA!
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Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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The article mentions that Starr was responsible for the report leading to Bill Clinton's impeachment trial. It might have mentioned that earlier in the week the NYT reported that Starr is singing Bill Clinton's praises these days. Another quality Clinton backer I guess.
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Straight from the The Worm-Turns Department….
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Ok then! Here's a guy whose peak career achievement is the prosecution of adult (and adulterous) *consensual* sex in the oval office. And now we learn that he was incapable of investigating and coming up with appropriate disciplinary actions against sexual *assault*?
And Baylor *still* wants him to be chancellor?!
I think what we are seeing here is the core rottenness at the heart of Southern Baptist Republican ideology.
And Baylor *still* wants him to be chancellor?!
I think what we are seeing here is the core rottenness at the heart of Southern Baptist Republican ideology.
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"Be kind to the people you meet on the way up,
because you're going to meet them on the way down"
Ralph Kramden, The Honeymooners, circa 1952
because you're going to meet them on the way down"
Ralph Kramden, The Honeymooners, circa 1952
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Disgusting that Starr is still on the payroll--I would like to see his employment contract ----- a Christian University at that ---should be ashamed of the example they are showing to student, the community and the Baptist church!!!
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Best news of the day!
(I've been getting really depressed by Sanders' shenanigans.)
(I've been getting really depressed by Sanders' shenanigans.)
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Ohhhhhh the hypocrisy of it all - this is the man who stood in judgment of Bill Clinton's behavior and incited an impeachment.
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Wild Bill, hung out the raw meat in bear country. Why are we surprised he got bit? Contrast him with Obama. Disciplined and focused with a tenth of all that drama.
Bill put the ball on the tee, and Ken drove it down the fair way and got him impeached.
Bill put the ball on the tee, and Ken drove it down the fair way and got him impeached.
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Congratulations to the Baptists for showing at least some integrity. Firing Briles was something not many people thought would happen, as he single-handedly made Baylor not only relevant in football for the first time since anyone can remember, but also made them national contenders.
I only wish they had fired the hypocrite Starr as well. Now that would have been full integrity.
I only wish they had fired the hypocrite Starr as well. Now that would have been full integrity.
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THIS IS NOTHING NEW AT BAYLOR!!! Baylor has a long history of sexual misconduct between faculty and students. Kenneth Starr was brought onboard five years ago specifically to help manage the fallout of those scandals were they to go public. At least five tenured faculty members were subsequently dismissed for having sex with students they were directly teaching...including a department chair. There were suicide attempts and several lawsuits against the university that were quietly settled for large sums and with lifetime bans on speaking to the press. They also aggressively went after the whistleblowers and several of those were driven from the university. This place has serious long-term problems with sexual misconduct...this is just the most recent chapter!
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Starr retains his chancellorship [for the time being] solely because of the decision of Baptist hypocrites.
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They can't fire him. He's a tenured professor.
If Starr had any dignity, he would resign.
As for Baylor's hypocrisy, color me unsurprised.
As for Baylor's hypocrisy, color me unsurprised.
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If Starr had dignity - he wouldn't be Starr.
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He has no dignity. It would not take a genius to predict he will say he didn't know what was going on, all evidence to the contrary,
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Serves Starr well. If he had his chance when fighting Clinton he would have demoted him to Vice-President. Let's see if Starr has real strength and resigns or if he takes the demotion - most likely the latter.
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"what goes around comes around"
Just retire ken.... go away....
Just retire ken.... go away....
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Can someone please explain why a university is expected to pursue criminal investigations rather than the police? If an assault occurs at a place like, oh, say Wal-Mart, does Wal-Mart investigate and bring charges?
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If the manager of a particular Walmart store was discovered to know about some of his employees sexually assaulting or harassing customers or other staff, and ocvering these up, do you think s/he'd be held accountable, regardless of whether criminal charges were filed?
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Football generates more revenue than tuition, and the players and a successful coach are income earning assets. Therefore, in the view of some university administrators, it's advantageous to insulate the university from public law enforcement.
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DaveW: Can someone please explain why a university is expected to pursue criminal investigations rather than the police? If an assault occurs at a place like, oh, say Wal-Mart, does Wal-Mart investigate and bring charges?
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Universtiies often maintain their own police departments, but they are not responsible for criminal prosecutions. They are however responsible for things like giving free tuition, housing, stipend and prestige; and also for extending the privilege to their students of representing the campus community. Universities can say, "you don't belong here any more and we're canceling your right to be enrolled, and your right to be on campus or in campus facilities." These procedures are formal and quasi legalistic.
The analogy is if a Wal-mart employee allegedly assaults someone. Walmart may decide, if the conduct is egregious, that regardless of the legal outcome it doesn't want that person representing the corporation.
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Universtiies often maintain their own police departments, but they are not responsible for criminal prosecutions. They are however responsible for things like giving free tuition, housing, stipend and prestige; and also for extending the privilege to their students of representing the campus community. Universities can say, "you don't belong here any more and we're canceling your right to be enrolled, and your right to be on campus or in campus facilities." These procedures are formal and quasi legalistic.
The analogy is if a Wal-mart employee allegedly assaults someone. Walmart may decide, if the conduct is egregious, that regardless of the legal outcome it doesn't want that person representing the corporation.
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Oh just resign for crying out loud. Perhaps a post on Fox News is in the offing if he can paint himself as a martyr. Or maybe he'll pursue his path to redemption and go write his apologia in a monastery somewhere.
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I have wondered if Title nine investigations actually go somewhere. This is long overdue.
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How can this be? The person who so aggressively pursued President Clinton's Lewinsky scandal,leading to his impeachment is found to have fundamentally failed to deal with sexual assault at Baylor. I guess the consequences of sexual assault vary depending on who the aggressor is or whether there is a lot of money at stake.
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How does the salary of Chancellor compare with that of President of Baylor? Where in the Bible that Baptists hold dear does it say that supporting football is more important than prosecuting rapists? (And don't get all Old Testament on us: that is a pigskin, after all)
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What I fail to understand is how an allegation of sexual assault is 'handled' by a college or University. We are talking about a serious allegation of a serious felony. Should law enforcement be called?
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I recommend you watch "The Hunting Ground" (available on Netflix). It will give you some good background about how sexual assaults are handled on campuses across the country.
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Oh, the irony.
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Ironies regarding Kenneth Starr's career notwithstanding, the most important part of this story is that the coach was made accountable for the actions of the players he recruited.
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NOW Starr likes Clinton !
If this guy said it was raining, I'd check the window before I believed it.
If this guy said it was raining, I'd check the window before I believed it.
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If Starr said it was raining and had his arm around my shoulder, I would check my pants leg.
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If Starr looked up and said it was raining, I'd quickly step aside, then hope for thunder and a direct hit.
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As a Baylor graduate, let me say that my university needs to fire Ken Starr, too. He is the man at the top, and if you are firing an employee for wrongs committed, then the boss needs to go with him.
What did Starr know, and when did he know it?
He will have a cloud over him if he stays.
Cut him loose, now.
What did Starr know, and when did he know it?
He will have a cloud over him if he stays.
Cut him loose, now.
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He had a cloud over his head when he was hired by Baylor.
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