What I worry about, is the adjusting that will happen from lessons learned by the DNC at the Nevada Convention. Will they tighten their bootstraps? Have stricter rules and regulations? I imagine police/"military" presence will be strong in Philadelphia. Conventions by nature are a loud and rowdy process... but what if they're TOO rowdy? Will we see arrests by the DNC, to "send a message"? How will the NYT report on the events ("violence") that led to people being arrested? This is the emergence of the police state. People's rights will be taken away right in front of our eyes, and many Americans will accept this because they aren't being given the truth by the media. This is the danger of spin.
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From Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting:
"First, Do Some Harm: How to Smear a Disfavored Candidate on NYT’s Front Page":
http://fair.org/home/first-do-some-harm-how-to-smear-a-disfavored-candid...
"Yes, the New York Times has the scoop: Bernie Sanders is secretly hoping to win the election!"
"First, Do Some Harm: How to Smear a Disfavored Candidate on NYT’s Front Page":
http://fair.org/home/first-do-some-harm-how-to-smear-a-disfavored-candid...
"Yes, the New York Times has the scoop: Bernie Sanders is secretly hoping to win the election!"
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If the Goldman Sachs speeches Hillary is determined to keep out of the debate are her Mitt Romney ('what I really care about the 47% moment"), Hillary's utterly false (exposed and admitted - if "I mis-spoke" counts as an admission - as such) claims she was exposed to sniper fire on a Tarmac in Kosovo are her Brian Williams moment:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosni...
Why would we want a president who a) attacked Romney for his callous comment on the economic lower echelons, claim these are legitimate reasons to disqualify Romney (she did claim this), yet claim. Immunity from having her own comments scrutinized and b) is prepared to lie about her experiences in combat zones?
By the way: RIP Morley Safer, who did put his life on the line to bring the truth of Vietnam to Americans: he did what Clinton and Williams merely claimed to do: putting himself in the line of fire for our democracy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosni...
Why would we want a president who a) attacked Romney for his callous comment on the economic lower echelons, claim these are legitimate reasons to disqualify Romney (she did claim this), yet claim. Immunity from having her own comments scrutinized and b) is prepared to lie about her experiences in combat zones?
By the way: RIP Morley Safer, who did put his life on the line to bring the truth of Vietnam to Americans: he did what Clinton and Williams merely claimed to do: putting himself in the line of fire for our democracy.
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When someone says "No matter who wins the nomination, we have to stick together to win the general election" they mean put party politics above your own principles and take the lesser of two evils.
I don't care what the party is, I will not vote for anyone who supports fracking. Who voted to invade Iraq. Who supports for-profit prisons. Who supports a Syria no-fly zone. Who talks of means-testing Social Security. Who believes in wars of choice for Regime Change. Who rejects a $15 minimum wage while claiming to support it. Who takes tens of millions of dollars from Wall Street firms. Who says she is willing to compromise on abortion and limit it to the health of the woman. Who tried to grab the nomination without a primary. Who supported DOMA. Who changes positions as polling dictates… Among other things.
This is not about Sanders.
I reject lesser evilism.
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I don't care what the party is, I will not vote for anyone who supports fracking. Who voted to invade Iraq. Who supports for-profit prisons. Who supports a Syria no-fly zone. Who talks of means-testing Social Security. Who believes in wars of choice for Regime Change. Who rejects a $15 minimum wage while claiming to support it. Who takes tens of millions of dollars from Wall Street firms. Who says she is willing to compromise on abortion and limit it to the health of the woman. Who tried to grab the nomination without a primary. Who supported DOMA. Who changes positions as polling dictates… Among other things.
This is not about Sanders.
I reject lesser evilism.
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The only way NYT can claim value from this interminable comment thread is if it acts as a catharsis for both sides and deflects the argument to whether it has to be a Sanders/Clinton or a Clinton/Sanders ticket.
I believe that is is rather obvious that it should be a Bernie/Hillary ticket.
I believe that is is rather obvious that it should be a Bernie/Hillary ticket.
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Sanders is selfish and self-delusional. Apparently the large crowds and the egging on of his campaign team have got him thinking he can remake the party that he's never seen fit to even be a member of for 40 years.
Politics is very much a business of relationships and team place; Sanders has never cared much for either. His head has gotten swelled to many times its actual size.
Unless maybe he confesses that he's just been punking us, and that his entire presidential campaign has been one long audition for the next "Grumpy Old Men" movie.
Politics is very much a business of relationships and team place; Sanders has never cared much for either. His head has gotten swelled to many times its actual size.
Unless maybe he confesses that he's just been punking us, and that his entire presidential campaign has been one long audition for the next "Grumpy Old Men" movie.
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This is what you get when the Dark Money Machine kicks in--these comments. Dark Money is glad to work with Hilary.
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(Agree with Dobbys sock: Thanks, Moderators! Fun to be part of the longest thread EVAH!)
Just a suggestion to those unaware of "Doctor" Jane's malpractice at poor little Burlington College (RIP). Google "jane sanders fraud". You'll get half-a-million leads.
This is just one, but an amusing one, imho:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/item/23212-vermont-colle...
Was Burlington College FREE, as you would expect, given Old Bernie's signature policy?
No. It didn't cost much, though. Just $21,000 a year for tuition. (Room and board NOT included.)
PLUS, the students could study abroad. Where? CUBA!
¡Ja Ja!
Just a suggestion to those unaware of "Doctor" Jane's malpractice at poor little Burlington College (RIP). Google "jane sanders fraud". You'll get half-a-million leads.
This is just one, but an amusing one, imho:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/item/23212-vermont-colle...
Was Burlington College FREE, as you would expect, given Old Bernie's signature policy?
No. It didn't cost much, though. Just $21,000 a year for tuition. (Room and board NOT included.)
PLUS, the students could study abroad. Where? CUBA!
¡Ja Ja!
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"Wrest the nomination"? So then, is is the author's opinion that Hillary Clinton has the nomination in the bag, and it would be wrong to take the bag away?
Why are so many media venues portraying Sanders as a loser, when they even discuss him at all?
He's become "the man who wasn't there" in the media, and now, because he has made very significant progress, he's being portrayed as a predator?
And meanwhile, Clinton is being promoted heavily in the media, as though she was the only candidate in the DNC.
Why aren't the media publicizing her SuperPAC? We know what THAT means. She doesn't want to disclose who is funding her campaign and gaining favors from her, if elected. Shouldn't THAT be bigtime news?
I might have voted for her, but not now. The SuperPAC alone is enough reason to rescind my support for her. In addition, it was very alarming to learn that the DNC has embraced HER, SuperPAC and all, and is still treating Bernie as a political vapor. So the DNC, together with Clinton and most of the media, are fighting him the only way they CAN: by keeping his message from reaching voters, as much as possible.
So Clinton, the DNC, and the cooperative media are ALL favoring Citizens United, because Clinton and the DNC are now beneficiaries of it.
I'd call that important.
I'd found few places in the media who mentioned Sanders, until he has recently won some important primaries. Now he's in the news a lot = and most of it is derogatory, or even lies. Why?
Won't someone discuss it?
Why are so many media venues portraying Sanders as a loser, when they even discuss him at all?
He's become "the man who wasn't there" in the media, and now, because he has made very significant progress, he's being portrayed as a predator?
And meanwhile, Clinton is being promoted heavily in the media, as though she was the only candidate in the DNC.
Why aren't the media publicizing her SuperPAC? We know what THAT means. She doesn't want to disclose who is funding her campaign and gaining favors from her, if elected. Shouldn't THAT be bigtime news?
I might have voted for her, but not now. The SuperPAC alone is enough reason to rescind my support for her. In addition, it was very alarming to learn that the DNC has embraced HER, SuperPAC and all, and is still treating Bernie as a political vapor. So the DNC, together with Clinton and most of the media, are fighting him the only way they CAN: by keeping his message from reaching voters, as much as possible.
So Clinton, the DNC, and the cooperative media are ALL favoring Citizens United, because Clinton and the DNC are now beneficiaries of it.
I'd call that important.
I'd found few places in the media who mentioned Sanders, until he has recently won some important primaries. Now he's in the news a lot = and most of it is derogatory, or even lies. Why?
Won't someone discuss it?
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HEY NYT Moderators!
THANK YOU for allowing us rebuttals and comments in this go around.
Much appreciated.
Again, THANK YOU.
No need to post.
Have a great day.
THANK YOU for allowing us rebuttals and comments in this go around.
Much appreciated.
Again, THANK YOU.
No need to post.
Have a great day.
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"NYTimes, Eyeing Convention, Willing to Harm Bernie Sanders."
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Before Bernie even Democrats were saying "something has to be done about entitlements."
Now post-Bernie Social Security and Medicare have been restored to their rightful place as the third rail of politics... touch it and your fried.
His simple solution of dropping the payroll tax cap is resonating with the Millennials who saw their retirement at risk.
If he had only accomplished this it would all have been worth it but he has accomplished so much more.
Now post-Bernie Social Security and Medicare have been restored to their rightful place as the third rail of politics... touch it and your fried.
His simple solution of dropping the payroll tax cap is resonating with the Millennials who saw their retirement at risk.
If he had only accomplished this it would all have been worth it but he has accomplished so much more.
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Hillary Clinton's display of arrogance in stating she IS the Democratic nominee is indicative of the problem...it's all about her and HER power. Sorry Hills... we are NOT WITH YOU. #NeverHillary
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Sanders isn't damaging Clinton, she does that to herself...
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Does anyone suspect that those "threatening" phone calls to the Nevada chairwoman were made by Brock-bots on the payroll, or some other non-Bernie-supporter trolls who were trying to get the New York Times or CNN to come down hard on Bernie about his 'tone'? Anything dark, crooked or evil ever happen in national politics before? (No chairs were thrown in the making of this comment)
If Drumpf wins we are doomed. If Hillary wins we are nearly as doomed, because she will continue the grand Clinton family traditions of giving everyone a free kitten while they ravage the economy and continue catastrophic foreign entanglements. If Bernie wins, we are much, much, much less doomed because honesty and principles.
If Drumpf wins we are doomed. If Hillary wins we are nearly as doomed, because she will continue the grand Clinton family traditions of giving everyone a free kitten while they ravage the economy and continue catastrophic foreign entanglements. If Bernie wins, we are much, much, much less doomed because honesty and principles.
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Rolling Stones magazine contacted three of the people who threatened the Democratic Party state chairwoman, and they were definitely Sanders people. The Las Vegas Police Department is investigating, so it will all be revealed.
There is no comparison between Trump and Sec. Clinton. Trump has zero experience in government, law, foreign policy, or anything else relevant. His experience is as the heir to a fortune, a loser businessman with four bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits, ownership of casinos and a beauty pageant, etc.
Sec. Clinton has a Yale law degree and worked for the Children's Defense Fund as well as for the rights of women and children her entire life. She helped establish CHIPs - the children's insurance program that has helped millions of poor children. The civil rights leaders such as John Lewis and Jim Clyburn have endorsed Hillary Clinton since she has worked on Civil Rights for many years, and not just at college. As a senator, Hillary Clinton helped obtain funding for the World Trade Center, and supported the rights of 9/11 responders. She also helped obtain military benefits for National Guardsmen and reservists. As secretary of state, she negotiated the ceasefire with Hamas, worked on global food initiatives, on environmental causes, and strongly supported LGBT and women's rights globally, etc. She is one of the most qualified people to ever run for the presidency.
There is no comparison between Trump and Sec. Clinton. Trump has zero experience in government, law, foreign policy, or anything else relevant. His experience is as the heir to a fortune, a loser businessman with four bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits, ownership of casinos and a beauty pageant, etc.
Sec. Clinton has a Yale law degree and worked for the Children's Defense Fund as well as for the rights of women and children her entire life. She helped establish CHIPs - the children's insurance program that has helped millions of poor children. The civil rights leaders such as John Lewis and Jim Clyburn have endorsed Hillary Clinton since she has worked on Civil Rights for many years, and not just at college. As a senator, Hillary Clinton helped obtain funding for the World Trade Center, and supported the rights of 9/11 responders. She also helped obtain military benefits for National Guardsmen and reservists. As secretary of state, she negotiated the ceasefire with Hamas, worked on global food initiatives, on environmental causes, and strongly supported LGBT and women's rights globally, etc. She is one of the most qualified people to ever run for the presidency.
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The initial threats and name-calling in Nevada weren't on-line. The people were in the room. Also, if the threatening phone calls didn't represent Sanders' supporters, he should have denounce them when he first heard about them instead of waiting until the next day to give a tepid, conditional, halfhearted denouncement.
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Apparently, few people know what a primary cycle is for, and some Clinton Super PACS are exploiting that ignorance. The primary cycle is about amassing delegates and getting things done at the convention. It is not a mini-general election where people just drop out and some nebulous vote tally rules.
Remember the last words of Robert Kennedy after winning California in 1968: "And now it's on to Chicago and let's win there." Chicago because that is where the convention was. RFK looked to win at an open convention among all candidates and all their delegates.
RFK was not making a threat against “party unity,” was he? Why is this now such a dire happening? Ignorance is why. Fighting at the convention is what candidates do. That is what happens at a convention.
How's that for correcting the record, Mr. Brock?
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Remember the last words of Robert Kennedy after winning California in 1968: "And now it's on to Chicago and let's win there." Chicago because that is where the convention was. RFK looked to win at an open convention among all candidates and all their delegates.
RFK was not making a threat against “party unity,” was he? Why is this now such a dire happening? Ignorance is why. Fighting at the convention is what candidates do. That is what happens at a convention.
How's that for correcting the record, Mr. Brock?
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Thank you for this. I'm amazed at the sheer ignorance on display in so many comments. Then again, I guess I shouldn't be.
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The most sober analysis I have read on this thread! Bravo!
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Rev.,
NAILED IT!
Spot on!
Thank you!
Please comment more with your calm reasoned voice. Thanks.
NAILED IT!
Spot on!
Thank you!
Please comment more with your calm reasoned voice. Thanks.
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I see that most of the comments are ad hominem attacks against Bernie Sanders. There are very few comments on the excellent public policies he espouses.
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But I see so many ad hominem [ad feminem?] attacks on Hillary as well. I could hardly say there are more of one or the other, my goodness there are now 6353 comments!!! I bet that is an all time record here. Both sides are really wound up tight.
I'm OK if Sanders keeps going, even though I honestly dont think he can close the gap. Just if it would only be campaigning on issues. I worry that the tone of anger and contempt is going to hurt in November, and there is a big bad monster out there that could ruin our country.
And he is already stirring the pot - scorning Hillary, feigning sympathy with Sanders "Bernie Sanders is being treated very badly by the Democrats - the system is rigged ... " Of course he wants to stir this pot, who does it benefit?
Both sides just calm down, stick to your honest campaign efforts, whoever wins in the end the other comes together and gets some unity going. Please!
I'm OK if Sanders keeps going, even though I honestly dont think he can close the gap. Just if it would only be campaigning on issues. I worry that the tone of anger and contempt is going to hurt in November, and there is a big bad monster out there that could ruin our country.
And he is already stirring the pot - scorning Hillary, feigning sympathy with Sanders "Bernie Sanders is being treated very badly by the Democrats - the system is rigged ... " Of course he wants to stir this pot, who does it benefit?
Both sides just calm down, stick to your honest campaign efforts, whoever wins in the end the other comes together and gets some unity going. Please!
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So far, Sanders has not said that he's become a Democrat or if he is one, that he'll remain a Democrat and work for the success of the party if he doesn't get the nomination.
If fact, some of his high-profile supporters like Susan Sarandon have said that many Sanders supporters might vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't win the nomination to bring about some kind of revolution.
Other Sanders primary voters have said in exit polls that they'd vote for Trump in the general election no matter whose on the ballot for the Democrats.
If fact, some of his high-profile supporters like Susan Sarandon have said that many Sanders supporters might vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't win the nomination to bring about some kind of revolution.
Other Sanders primary voters have said in exit polls that they'd vote for Trump in the general election no matter whose on the ballot for the Democrats.
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Here is my bottom line:
I do not see it as the responsibility of progressive Democrats to vote for a right wing Democrat in order block a Republican.
For me it's not about "Bernie or Bust." It's about never voting for a neocon who voted for Bush's war in Iraq, who openly boasts about her willingness to commit war crimes, and who speaks of means-testing Social Security or of a Syria no-fly zone which involves thousands of troops. Who supports Fracking. Who takes tens of millions of dollars from Wall Street. Who supports for-profit prisons. Who says the government has a role in having America reach zero abortions. Or who jumps up to take credit for the $15 minimum wage when she fought against it all along.
Bernie is just an incident and an accident along the way. I can discuss him another time. My point is: I do not vote for conservatives no matter what party they register in.
If you want to keep Republicans out of the White House, tell the Democrats to get better candidates. Or at least have an open primary as they did in 2008 with eight candidates; you remember... when Hillary Clinton came in third? We had a choice then. This cycle, there was not even supposed to be a primary until millions upon millions of Democrats pleaded with Sanders to run.
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I do not see it as the responsibility of progressive Democrats to vote for a right wing Democrat in order block a Republican.
For me it's not about "Bernie or Bust." It's about never voting for a neocon who voted for Bush's war in Iraq, who openly boasts about her willingness to commit war crimes, and who speaks of means-testing Social Security or of a Syria no-fly zone which involves thousands of troops. Who supports Fracking. Who takes tens of millions of dollars from Wall Street. Who supports for-profit prisons. Who says the government has a role in having America reach zero abortions. Or who jumps up to take credit for the $15 minimum wage when she fought against it all along.
Bernie is just an incident and an accident along the way. I can discuss him another time. My point is: I do not vote for conservatives no matter what party they register in.
If you want to keep Republicans out of the White House, tell the Democrats to get better candidates. Or at least have an open primary as they did in 2008 with eight candidates; you remember... when Hillary Clinton came in third? We had a choice then. This cycle, there was not even supposed to be a primary until millions upon millions of Democrats pleaded with Sanders to run.
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Reverend, it sounds like, between the two probably general election candidates, Trump versus Clinton, that Clinton is likely closer to your political and/or ethical and/or moral philosophy. Warts and all.
Abstaining in the name of some greater principle is of course your right, and you have made an argument for it based on what are obviously strong personal convictions.
Nonetheless, this is a zero-sum game, so you would effectively be casting a vote for Trump. You acknowledge that in your first sentence, but simply disclaim responsibility for creating the situation.
And yet, the situation does exist. So it warrants addressing how the Clinton transgressions that you mention are given more weight in your ethos than your effective casting a vote for Trump.
Abstaining in the name of some greater principle is of course your right, and you have made an argument for it based on what are obviously strong personal convictions.
Nonetheless, this is a zero-sum game, so you would effectively be casting a vote for Trump. You acknowledge that in your first sentence, but simply disclaim responsibility for creating the situation.
And yet, the situation does exist. So it warrants addressing how the Clinton transgressions that you mention are given more weight in your ethos than your effective casting a vote for Trump.
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I will vote for Clinton if you show me where I said I would "abstain." Naturally, I did not say that.
I will vote for a progressive candidate.
In 2012 I voted for Jill Stein and now I will publicly apologize for having made Mitt Romney president.
Your fallacy of logic here, Dan88, is putting the situation as Black and White.
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I will vote for a progressive candidate.
In 2012 I voted for Jill Stein and now I will publicly apologize for having made Mitt Romney president.
Your fallacy of logic here, Dan88, is putting the situation as Black and White.
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Fair enough Reverend, but my point and question does not rely on the term “abstain” and accommodates your voting for a third party.
You have not taken issue that there is an either/or outcome here: Either Clinton or Trump. In fact, as noted, you acknowledge it in the first sentence of your original post, but simply decry responsibility for it.
There is no chance that a third party will win in 2016 anymore than there was a chance Jill Stein would be elected back in 2012. Your vote for a third party will effectively be a vote for Trump, if between Trump and Clinton you would vote Clinton.
Of course, that is your right. It does not mean that Trump will be elected (my turn to say, "I never said that"). It just says that your vote would effectively be cast for him. Just like your vote for Stein in 2012 was effectively a vote for Romney, if you would otherwise have voted for Obama. That is the nature of a zero-sum game situation.
So, again, it warrants addressing how the Clinton transgressions that you mention are given more weight in your ethos than your effectively casting a vote for Trump.
You have not taken issue that there is an either/or outcome here: Either Clinton or Trump. In fact, as noted, you acknowledge it in the first sentence of your original post, but simply decry responsibility for it.
There is no chance that a third party will win in 2016 anymore than there was a chance Jill Stein would be elected back in 2012. Your vote for a third party will effectively be a vote for Trump, if between Trump and Clinton you would vote Clinton.
Of course, that is your right. It does not mean that Trump will be elected (my turn to say, "I never said that"). It just says that your vote would effectively be cast for him. Just like your vote for Stein in 2012 was effectively a vote for Romney, if you would otherwise have voted for Obama. That is the nature of a zero-sum game situation.
So, again, it warrants addressing how the Clinton transgressions that you mention are given more weight in your ethos than your effectively casting a vote for Trump.
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Let me get this straight; the DNC, this newspaper, the corporate-owned news networks & cable tv - and almost all their talking heads, pundits, "experts" and analysts derided, dismissed and even mocked Sanders' candidacy from day 1 and onwards into the fall of 2015; he had to BEG Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC for more debates but the very moment Hillary gave DWS the nod, voilà - more debates! So now that Sanders has proven everyone wrong by winning against all odds, the DNC and the Clintons expect him to just roll over and bow to Queen Hillary and her sycophants in New York and the Beltway - all for the sake of "unity" in the democrat party?? ROTFLMAO.
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Yes, this newspaper, owned by Carlos Slim, the second richest man on the planet, who is a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter and who has contributed millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation his companies; among them, Inmobiliaria Carso between between $1 million and $5 million, Telmex, and TracFone which is listed as having donated between $5 million and $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, according to its website. We are talking millions and millions of dollars.
This how the 1 percent rules the world.
This how the 1 percent rules the world.
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Revolutions are not for the meek and nor is suicide bombing. There is a very thin line between revolution and terrorism. Now that the revolution has not landed Bernie at the top he, and his coterie, is willing to terrorize the Democratic party to which he does not belong. He has been threatening a scorched earth campaign the rest of the way. I wonder if it is Bernie or the people around him who are so bent on bringing the Democratic party to its knees. The recent word from the campaign managers will land them no favorable spots on the National scene. I believe all of this Bernie campaign was run not for principle but for personal gain. Those around Bernie had joined in to raise their profiles as campaigners and even leaders. Now with the end near, they are in the death throes and are behaving erratically.
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I think it was for personal gain. A forensic audit on the the money "Doctor" Jane and Old Bernie have raked in over the past twenty years or so would be interesting. Burlington College? The contributions fleeced from the flock? Etc.
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Hey Pec-- I hear Brooks and Correct the Record are hiring. Only paying minimum wage, but you'd be perfect-- off topic comments and misdirection are key. I bet you'd get a raise by pretty quickly by writing their scripts, though! You should give it some thought... if you need a recommendation, I'd be more than happy.
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Though I am personally in favor of Democratic party unity in hopes of a democratic candidate beating Donald Trump in the general election, I am uncomfortable with the way that the NY Times has been handling the recent stories about Mr. Sanders.
I feel that publications such as the Huffington Post, and Nation Of Change etc., raise questions about procedure in the recent Nevada convention that should be explored by an "independent" news source such as the NY Times.
Instead, these questions are not even raised, let alone explored. My takeaway after reading this article was a huge question: What really happened in Nevada. Did the protesters have any legitimate greivance?
So I began to look around. Of course, Huffington leans left as well as Nation of Change etc. and the NY TImes seems firmly (if lazily) parked in the Hillary camp. Surely these are important questions to ask. If there were procedural irregularities in Nevada and elsewhere, they deserve a thorough airing in the paper of record.
Thank you,
Peter Scher
I feel that publications such as the Huffington Post, and Nation Of Change etc., raise questions about procedure in the recent Nevada convention that should be explored by an "independent" news source such as the NY Times.
Instead, these questions are not even raised, let alone explored. My takeaway after reading this article was a huge question: What really happened in Nevada. Did the protesters have any legitimate greivance?
So I began to look around. Of course, Huffington leans left as well as Nation of Change etc. and the NY TImes seems firmly (if lazily) parked in the Hillary camp. Surely these are important questions to ask. If there were procedural irregularities in Nevada and elsewhere, they deserve a thorough airing in the paper of record.
Thank you,
Peter Scher
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I think this has been covered in articles such as http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/alle... . While the process in Nevada is somewhat complicated, these were not new rules but had been established back in 2008. It makes sense at a Democratic Party state convention to require delegates to be registered Democrats. There were rules in place, and procedures for amending the rules. The Sanders supporters had not done their homework, or else higher level Sanders officials misunderstood the requirements.
Huffington has been leaning much further left than other journals across the past several months. The New York Times is left also but closer to the center, as in fact are most Democrats.
Huffington has been leaning much further left than other journals across the past several months. The New York Times is left also but closer to the center, as in fact are most Democrats.
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Procedures were set and agreed upon before Sanders even entertained getting into the race at all. Nothing was changed. It's just the Sanders folks deciding they thought the process was unfair -- whatever that means. It's possible they never checked into what the procedures were in the first place for Nevada. Nevada is a caucus state, which is a very different animal to begin with. I asked a native born/raised Iowan how the caucus worked there, and even though her father used to participate every election, after 10 minutes she reached a point where she didn't understand the whole thing either.
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It's alarming to see how much the Sanders campaign and its supporters, are emulating the Trumpists. Angry and violent, unable to compromise, threatening and insulting any opposition or difference of opinion. This is not democracy by any stretch of the definition. Sadly, much of the electorate has become so ignorant and angry that demagoguery thrives on both the left and right. Good luck to the Democratic party dumping Sanders, as it must, in an election cycle where revenge is the new normal. Sanders knows that revolutions are never democratic and, even failed ones, are always bloody in the end.
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No one has been violent except the Clinton supporter who was arrested for assaulting a Sanders supporter.
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“But you look at what happened in Nevada, and you worry.”
Indeed. You worry that the Democratic establishment and party leadership will again play dirty. You worry that the media, including the NYT, will again be biased and report fiction instead of facts, like the invented violence and chair throwing in Nevada instead of the factual detention of a Clinton supporter for violence against a female Sanders supporter. CNN at least was honest enough to put in a very small correction/retraction regarding its Nevada reporting. The NYT, not so much.
Indeed. You worry that the Democratic establishment and party leadership will again play dirty. You worry that the media, including the NYT, will again be biased and report fiction instead of facts, like the invented violence and chair throwing in Nevada instead of the factual detention of a Clinton supporter for violence against a female Sanders supporter. CNN at least was honest enough to put in a very small correction/retraction regarding its Nevada reporting. The NYT, not so much.
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And all of the death threats and obscene abuse? The Las Vegas Police Department is investigating the many death threats made by Sanders supporters.
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I wonder more why some of the Sanders people yell & stomp their feet every time things don't turn out how they wish. You are conveniently not mentioning the hundreds of vile and/or threatening messages sent to Ms. Lange including inferences about knowing where her grandchildren went to school, all because some Sanders supporters were angry about the rules.
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By people claiming to be Sanders supporters...
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If Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Trump, then by staying the course, he is doing the right thing.
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Except that he's not the "only one". In fact he's several million votes & a few hundred delegates behind, and the math is against his being able to get the the numbers he needs. Keep in mind that primaries typically have a smaller turnout than the actual elections, and polling numbers of primary voters alone doesn't tell nearly enough of the story at this point.
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This old guy ya'll thought was a jester has had the nerve to question the Queen. They Queen wants this act of the show to be over and on goes the jester he just keeps jesting.
"The jester is mocking the Queen! The jester is mocking the Queen!"
Somebody call the guards!
"The jester is mocking the Queen! The jester is mocking the Queen!"
Somebody call the guards!
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By all accounts Bernie Sanders is a good and decent man and he has run a very successful and admiral campaign of which he can be justifiably proud. He has made his point. However, it is abundantly clear he has no path to the nomination. His focus and that of his supporters should turn to dealing with the potential national disaster of a Trump presidency.
Bernie Sanders is now a household name. That wasn't the case nine months ago. With such a rapid transition, one must be careful not to get consumed with self-aggrandizement. The greatest opportunity given to Sanders to demonstrate leadership in this campaign involved the melee at the Nevada Convention. Bernie failed that test miserably. He should have condemned the violence with no ifs ands or buts.
Bernie runs the real risk of pumping all the good he has accomplished in this campaign down the drain.
Bernie Sanders is now a household name. That wasn't the case nine months ago. With such a rapid transition, one must be careful not to get consumed with self-aggrandizement. The greatest opportunity given to Sanders to demonstrate leadership in this campaign involved the melee at the Nevada Convention. Bernie failed that test miserably. He should have condemned the violence with no ifs ands or buts.
Bernie runs the real risk of pumping all the good he has accomplished in this campaign down the drain.
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How can Sanders who has been railing against Hillary for the past year now tell his zealous followers well, you know, she's really not that bad? She's better than Trump? Yeah, that's gonna go over big with those rabid chair throwing Bern Feelers real good. Good Going, Bern.
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No one threw any chairs.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
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James, Dennis,
Please show any proof of your accusations. Propaganda and lies.
There was NO violence at the NV. convention. Unless you are calling angry words violence. 24hr. hotel video survalnce. Hundreds of smart phones. Police present in the room. NObody was arrested. NObody was fined. NO property damage occurred.
The true crime was perpetrated by the NV.DNC. which stole delegates votes and voices. But that is the typical MO of Hilliray Clinton/David Brock and her surrogates.
Here is raw video and a good explantion of the propaganda being spread. Lies and deceit. What a sham of an election.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-vid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVa4G32M7Bc
Please show any proof of your accusations. Propaganda and lies.
There was NO violence at the NV. convention. Unless you are calling angry words violence. 24hr. hotel video survalnce. Hundreds of smart phones. Police present in the room. NObody was arrested. NObody was fined. NO property damage occurred.
The true crime was perpetrated by the NV.DNC. which stole delegates votes and voices. But that is the typical MO of Hilliray Clinton/David Brock and her surrogates.
Here is raw video and a good explantion of the propaganda being spread. Lies and deceit. What a sham of an election.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-vid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVa4G32M7Bc
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Harm? Attacks? Can you imagine the headlines if Senator Sanders was under criminal investigation by the FBI? His campaign would have ended by the third debate. Over. Caput. Done.
If the shoe was on the other foot, does anyone honestly think Clinton would have said, "Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about your damn emails?" I seem to remember an email with Obama in traditional Somali dress making the rounds in 2008... the Clinton War Room has not been shuttered. Don't be naive.
If the shoe was on the other foot, does anyone honestly think Clinton would have said, "Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about your damn emails?" I seem to remember an email with Obama in traditional Somali dress making the rounds in 2008... the Clinton War Room has not been shuttered. Don't be naive.
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Isn't Old Bernie's wife, "Doctor" Jane, under investigation for the Burlington College ten million dollar loan fraud?
The NYT has gone easy on Old Bernie and "Doctor" Jane. So has Trump, hoping the violent supporters of Old Bernie will join his merry band.
The NYT has gone easy on Old Bernie and "Doctor" Jane. So has Trump, hoping the violent supporters of Old Bernie will join his merry band.
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Yeah, old Bookkeeper Jane also does the mysteriously missing Sanders tax returns. The ones that they can't seem to find because they are "too too busy". This might make some people wonder just a tad. Not the Bern Feelers. They trust him implicitly. Above reproach, they say. Why Sanders is the only politician they know. Maybe the only honest politician to ever exist. A rare bird indeed.
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Hello Pecan. Republicans are the ones asking for this investigation. Sound familiar? So please don't tell me that the attack machines have gone easy on Sanders-- they're going after his wife, just like you. Unseemly. And to say that the NYT has gone easy on Sanders when commenting on an article by the same which states such inflammatory bias is, well, just rich.
Since you seem to be so uniformed on the topic, here's an article from a local Vermont paper to help you get acquainted with the subject.
Cheers.
http://digital.vpr.net/post/look-jane-sanders-role-closure-burlington-co...
Since you seem to be so uniformed on the topic, here's an article from a local Vermont paper to help you get acquainted with the subject.
Cheers.
http://digital.vpr.net/post/look-jane-sanders-role-closure-burlington-co...
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According to Sanders, his team and supporters, the primary process is unfair. This is the process that was chosen by the Democratic Party nationally and in 50 states, and which Sanders chose to become a part of when he decided to run as a Democrat. With the knowledge that the Party would instinctively favor a life-long Democrat over a renegade newcomer. With the knowledge the rules and procedures could be changed by the Democratic Party.
Sanders could have taken a different path, such as competing to become the Socialist Party’s candidate. Having taken a path that has offered his message far more relevance, he and his campaign are now turning on their host vessel. Instead of his supporters looking at the failings of his campaign (failing to understand the rules, failing to adjust his message to minorities, etc.), they are buying the Team-Sanders deflection that the process is “rigged.”
And for what goal? It is clear that he is not going to be the candidate of the Democratic Party, and he is not going to be President. The only thing this serves is the election bid of Trump and the 4-8 unimpeded years of the Republican agenda.
Now that the primary contest is effectively over, Sanders, his team and supporters should marvel at their success, be disappointed the run is ending, but also take responsibility for their own decisions.
Sanders could have taken a different path, such as competing to become the Socialist Party’s candidate. Having taken a path that has offered his message far more relevance, he and his campaign are now turning on their host vessel. Instead of his supporters looking at the failings of his campaign (failing to understand the rules, failing to adjust his message to minorities, etc.), they are buying the Team-Sanders deflection that the process is “rigged.”
And for what goal? It is clear that he is not going to be the candidate of the Democratic Party, and he is not going to be President. The only thing this serves is the election bid of Trump and the 4-8 unimpeded years of the Republican agenda.
Now that the primary contest is effectively over, Sanders, his team and supporters should marvel at their success, be disappointed the run is ending, but also take responsibility for their own decisions.
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"Mr. Sanders’s street-fighting instincts" - Right! Bernie comes from a long line of "street fighters".
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Ok. I am going to share some final thoughts regarding this interminable thread you are keeping open so that more Clinton trolls can libel Bernie Sanders. I never imagined the NYTimes would engage in such a mendacious tactic to discredit the presidential candidate it did not endorse. This is after all, the newspaper of record, The Gray Lady, winner of 117 Pulitzers.
I have been diligently following the Election 2016 coverage and the comments it has elicited. Bernie Sanders supporters have been consistent and outspoken in their criticism of your biased coverage of his campaign. But this hatchet job of a story is a new low, from the headline to the misinformation it advances. The tone of the responses is like nothing I have ever read here, toxic, monothematic in their offensive characterizations of Bernie Sanders. His supporters know better- and this injustice only makes us more resolute in our support and moves us to contribute more money to his effort.
I have been diligently following the Election 2016 coverage and the comments it has elicited. Bernie Sanders supporters have been consistent and outspoken in their criticism of your biased coverage of his campaign. But this hatchet job of a story is a new low, from the headline to the misinformation it advances. The tone of the responses is like nothing I have ever read here, toxic, monothematic in their offensive characterizations of Bernie Sanders. His supporters know better- and this injustice only makes us more resolute in our support and moves us to contribute more money to his effort.
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I know. They have to be really stupid not to realize how this behavior just makes people dig in their heels--or they think we are.
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You know, I was just watching video footage of Sanders supporters shouting abuse in Nevada at the party chairwoman, and all their tweets telling people to rush the stage. Then there are the many death threats. For months, there have been Bernie Bros attacking every Hillary Clinton supporter. Yes, Sanders supporters have been consistent and outspoken as they have accused every major news forum whether it is the NYT or NPR of not supporting their candidate sufficiently.
Hillary Clinton has won some 3 million more votes than Bernie Sanders. Fact.
Sanders is almost 300 pledged delegates behind Clinton with states like NJ and CA coming up. Fact.
Sanders does not have that much support from women, minorities, or people over 30. Fact.
Throw your money away on him if you like, but I really wonder how many $27 contributions went into that chartered 767 that flew Sanders, his family and others to the Vatican for that one night.
It's fine to support your candidate, and I actually admire some of the ideals involved, but twisting everything to fit a noble narrative that can easily be disproved is fantasy.
Hillary Clinton has won some 3 million more votes than Bernie Sanders. Fact.
Sanders is almost 300 pledged delegates behind Clinton with states like NJ and CA coming up. Fact.
Sanders does not have that much support from women, minorities, or people over 30. Fact.
Throw your money away on him if you like, but I really wonder how many $27 contributions went into that chartered 767 that flew Sanders, his family and others to the Vatican for that one night.
It's fine to support your candidate, and I actually admire some of the ideals involved, but twisting everything to fit a noble narrative that can easily be disproved is fantasy.
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I'm curious how much money the clintons are paying your editors to write shill pieces for them in a pitiful attempt to bolster clinton's campaign. Was it promises, actual money, or just threats? Either way they clearly bought your journalistic integrity..assuming you had any to begin with.
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It's not how much money the Clintons are paying but how much influence the Times's top shareholder, Carlos Slim, has. He's incidentally also a top Clinton donor.
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All this talk about the elites conspiring against Mr Sanders is exactly what Trump supporters want. Bernie polls better against Trump because Trump WANTS Bernie to win the nomination. If Hillary is taken out of the equation and all the paranoid attacks now circulating about her are redirected to Bernie, his poll numbers against Trump would sink like a stone. So keep hating on Hillary and get ready for President Trump.
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We all know about Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim, although not from reading about him in the NYT. ("Slim has contributed more than $1 million to the Clinton Foundation in recent years, according to Bloomberg.")
The NYT's unprofessional bias is a affront to the craft of journalism, but you know what - it is all about the money, and it will eventually come back to bite them in the A$$.
The NYT's unprofessional bias is a affront to the craft of journalism, but you know what - it is all about the money, and it will eventually come back to bite them in the A$$.
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The more I read these comments, the more I think of something I heard Andrew Sullivan say on Bill Mahre's show last year--that there are people in this country who just can't get it through their heads that there are people in this country who just plain disagree with them.
He got ignored by the host, and shouted over by the other two liberal/left guests.
He was right.
And if you're, say, a Trump supporter--don't take any comfort from Sullivan. He was specifically talking about the kind of intolerance we're seeing from some (thankfully, few) BernieBots, but Trump and the rest of that pack are far, far worse.
You might want to think about that a little.
He got ignored by the host, and shouted over by the other two liberal/left guests.
He was right.
And if you're, say, a Trump supporter--don't take any comfort from Sullivan. He was specifically talking about the kind of intolerance we're seeing from some (thankfully, few) BernieBots, but Trump and the rest of that pack are far, far worse.
You might want to think about that a little.
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Just because you "disagree" with Bernie Sanders supporters doesn't give you the right to disparage them as "BernieBots". (Who started the "ObamaBoys" trope in 2008?)
You might want to think about that a little.
You might want to think about that a little.
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The slant of articles like this, and the slant of many of the Clinton supporters' comments, are only pushing more Sanders supporters to Bernie or bust, not influencing them to vote for Clinton.
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Hey, NYT, HRC was still in the race, still trying to win, still trying to tell the public that Obama was a lesser choice than she was.
Did you similarly write then that HRC was going to ensure a McCain/Palin win, or was that OK?
Oh, and let's not forget that HRC suggested at about this point in 2008 that Obama could always be assassinated like Bobby Kennedy was in June 1968.
Did you similarly write then that HRC was going to ensure a McCain/Palin win, or was that OK?
Oh, and let's not forget that HRC suggested at about this point in 2008 that Obama could always be assassinated like Bobby Kennedy was in June 1968.
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That's not what Hillary "suggested". (Why do the supporters of Old Bernie lie so much?)
She was reminding Americans that Bobby Kennedy was still in the race when he was eliminated, not by stepping down as she was being urged to do, but by an assassin's bullet.
Disgusting to lie about something so tragic. Old Bernie's influence?
She was reminding Americans that Bobby Kennedy was still in the race when he was eliminated, not by stepping down as she was being urged to do, but by an assassin's bullet.
Disgusting to lie about something so tragic. Old Bernie's influence?
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Hey. Pecan. Google "Hillary misspoke" just for kicks. I guess they're not lies if you just don't know what you're talking about. Except for that time in Bosnia... disgusting that she would lie about something so tragic.
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The only place "harm" is used in the article doesn't appear in a quote, but rather says that his advisers and allies say he's willing to do "some harm"... what advisers and allies? Plural.
What did the NYT's reporter ask Mr. Devine? Was it about presumed attacks on Clinton, and only his response noted without telling the readers he was asked? If so, that's a pretty shady way to write an article. I say presumed attacks because there haven't been any-- what attacks?? Why aren't these so-called attacks listed? Is an aggressive campaign now an attack?
Something is terribly strange here. An inflammatory article using the "some people have said" tactic in the NYT's? "Several said [...]?"
The only thing that is clear from this article is that he NYT's is willing to do harm to Sanders campaign. I might understand if this was an opinion piece, but news? Completely biased and slanted. Beneath you, NYT's.
What did the NYT's reporter ask Mr. Devine? Was it about presumed attacks on Clinton, and only his response noted without telling the readers he was asked? If so, that's a pretty shady way to write an article. I say presumed attacks because there haven't been any-- what attacks?? Why aren't these so-called attacks listed? Is an aggressive campaign now an attack?
Something is terribly strange here. An inflammatory article using the "some people have said" tactic in the NYT's? "Several said [...]?"
The only thing that is clear from this article is that he NYT's is willing to do harm to Sanders campaign. I might understand if this was an opinion piece, but news? Completely biased and slanted. Beneath you, NYT's.
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Even saintly progressive politicians from Vermont are fragile, vain creatures.
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Bernie Sanders is a delusional, selfish, narcissistic human being. Bernie and Donald are in a tight race for the biggest narcissist of the year. I used to like Bernie and agreed with a lot of what he said, but I now dislike him almost as much as I dislike Donald.
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Yes, and just like Donald, Sanders constantly whines about how the super delegate system is unfair; on the Republican side, all such talk immediately disappeared once Donald secured the nomination. Sour grapes much?
But the irony is all the more stunning when it's coming from an avowed socialist who seemingly doesn't understand the basic concept of putting the interests of the group ahead of personal ego gratification.
But the irony is all the more stunning when it's coming from an avowed socialist who seemingly doesn't understand the basic concept of putting the interests of the group ahead of personal ego gratification.
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Delusional, selfish and narcissistic--and you're NOT referring to Hillary and her husband? Trump may be unappealing, and I certainly will not vote for him, but the general election is not a closed Dem primary. Hillary Clinton is one of the most distrusted and disliked politicians in the history of American politics. She's correctly viewed to be a liar and willing to say anything to become president. And, um, corrupt.
Look, I get it. You pine for a female candidate. So did I. I wanted Elizabeth Warren. But she didn't run, and the female you got is gonna lose because Americans are not gonna put that family in the White House a second time. Oh and I forgot the prospect of indictment... Ah, a return to the good old days of the Clinton White House and the weekly scandal rundown!
I hope I'm wrong but all you HC folks are too excited to realize you're handing the presidency to a racist, misogynist, reality tv star/freak and his pageant-ready First Lady. So, thanks in advance for that.
Look, I get it. You pine for a female candidate. So did I. I wanted Elizabeth Warren. But she didn't run, and the female you got is gonna lose because Americans are not gonna put that family in the White House a second time. Oh and I forgot the prospect of indictment... Ah, a return to the good old days of the Clinton White House and the weekly scandal rundown!
I hope I'm wrong but all you HC folks are too excited to realize you're handing the presidency to a racist, misogynist, reality tv star/freak and his pageant-ready First Lady. So, thanks in advance for that.
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Many have continued to demand release of Hillary's Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, while Clinton supporters (which ever increasingly - that is increasingly from already overwhelming support from the get-go - seem to include the media) want to let the matter rest. Both positions are obviously based on the speeches being Clinton's "47% moment": candid disclosure of the speaker's actual view on inequality, Goldman Sachs and Wall Street.
4 years ago when Romney made his presidential bid, Hillary cheered as his "47% gaffe" massively contributed to his defeat by purporting to offer a candid window into his true stance.
The press are in dereliction of duty, and supporters guilty of hypocrisy in not pressing Hillary harder. Why should Hillary support attacks on Romney for his comment, and feel she has the right to conceal her own similar comments.
4 years ago when Romney made his presidential bid, Hillary cheered as his "47% gaffe" massively contributed to his defeat by purporting to offer a candid window into his true stance.
The press are in dereliction of duty, and supporters guilty of hypocrisy in not pressing Hillary harder. Why should Hillary support attacks on Romney for his comment, and feel she has the right to conceal her own similar comments.
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I doubt it. If there were anything terrible there, we'd know it, since so many people heard her speak. I think she should release them, but there's probably mildly ambiguous nice-making to Goldman Sachs which her opponents will make hay of. Because if you're Hillary, there is NOTHING you can say that won't be spun into hate-bait.
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The people who heard her speak are presumably Goldman-Sachs employees and investors. To share anything about what she said would not be good form and could backfire on their positions.
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By the way "so many people heard her speak"?
Which people? Ones as likely to expose improper or damaging/incriminating comments as Romney's friendly (i.e., unfriendly to the "47%") audience were to expose his comments. It was only a fluke that Romney's notorious comment got exposed. We can't rely on a fluke to expose Hillary's "47%" comment, the issue must be FORCED, whatever it takes. There is too much riding on this, and right is right. If Hillary thought it legitimate to attack Romney for his comment (and she explicitly did), she owes us the transcripts. Otherwise age is a sheer hypocrite-Jessup completely undeserving of our trust/votes. Simple as that.
Which people? Ones as likely to expose improper or damaging/incriminating comments as Romney's friendly (i.e., unfriendly to the "47%") audience were to expose his comments. It was only a fluke that Romney's notorious comment got exposed. We can't rely on a fluke to expose Hillary's "47%" comment, the issue must be FORCED, whatever it takes. There is too much riding on this, and right is right. If Hillary thought it legitimate to attack Romney for his comment (and she explicitly did), she owes us the transcripts. Otherwise age is a sheer hypocrite-Jessup completely undeserving of our trust/votes. Simple as that.
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I would buy a dozen apples in the mkt square from Bernie...but , President, I do not think so...all of a sudden, we are going to tell the truth about everything and everyone? There would be no political system left...If he doesn't go away, he could push a hack like Trump on our laps....The system would have to be reworked from the ground up, lobbyists go home, and integrity would become the rule of thumb...However, politics is another way of saying " smooth out the lies" and diplomacy is practically a synonym for lying..so Hillary, is not great, but
there are no other options, and Bill is liked around the world....
there are no other options, and Bill is liked around the world....
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Never seen such a bad and angry loser. Sad enough. Why this guy didn't run as independent? Why trying to harm the party you caucus with. Visceral anger. You can feel it in the tone. And worse, this guy is hoping, praying that something bad happens to his opponent so he can prevail. That's not how a man win a battle. Dommage.
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@G Ellen, who said "Make an alliance with the registered Democrats and our candidate, or vote for Trump/Jill Stein/stay home." The dismissiveness and arrogance of this comment mirrors candidate Clinton's attitude toward Sanders supporters. Ignoring the passionate, committed, and large and growing Sanders contingent is going to sink your gal.
5/20/16 9:35am
5/20/16 9:35am
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There's a large amount of women who are voting for Clinton just because she is a woman too. I've seen commenters state that if a woman is finally elected then their daughters will know they will be able to achieve the highest office in the world.
That's nice, but a more realistic thought would be are your daughters going to be able to afford the ever-increasing cost of higher education, and will there be any jobs worthy of their abilities...or will they be drowning in debt while working (if lucky) as a WalMart cashier ??
That's nice, but a more realistic thought would be are your daughters going to be able to afford the ever-increasing cost of higher education, and will there be any jobs worthy of their abilities...or will they be drowning in debt while working (if lucky) as a WalMart cashier ??
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Also that they "can achieve the highest office in the world" if they stick by--and possibly enable--their more famous husband while he humilates them with his serial philandering.
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Well, if Hillary is elected they'll have a much better shot at having childcare readily available and affordable. That should make it easier to get a good job and pay back those student loans. By the way, she also has a college affordability plan that has a much better shot than Bernie's at becoming law, and reducing the size of those debt. But hey, why let a plan interfere with propaganda.
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Landing a good job is not dependent on whether there is affordable childcare or not. And to start a family while under all that debt? Not realistic, or maybe just not too bright.
With Sanders vision, you won't have any debt... and I'm pretty sure that his health care plan would be comprehensive enough to include child care.
Clinton's plan might be thought of by some as affordable, but it will turn out to be as affordable as the ACA...not that great.
All the other major countries in the world have better government than the U.S. Isn't it time we spent our revenues on improving American lives?
With Sanders vision, you won't have any debt... and I'm pretty sure that his health care plan would be comprehensive enough to include child care.
Clinton's plan might be thought of by some as affordable, but it will turn out to be as affordable as the ACA...not that great.
All the other major countries in the world have better government than the U.S. Isn't it time we spent our revenues on improving American lives?
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Is this an opinionated article or fact.....I am confused.....or is that the point at the times.....confuse and deflect....you guys are like foxnews. He isn't harming anyone....Hillary does this all by herself......BECAUSE SHE IS A BIG, FLAKY, PERSON.
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@tony - No confusion on your comment, which seems part opinion and part fiction.
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Whatever happened to Bernie Sanders' outrage over Wall Street? Wasn't that one of the main reasons Sanders switched his party affiliation from Independent to Democrat last year? Fast forward a year and Bernie Sanders has undergone a frightening metamorphosis. Sanders went from wanting to do a noble battle against the greedy Wall Street oligarchs to this embittered old man who is determined to wreck front runner Hillary Clinton's presidential aspirations any which way he can. Sanders is relishing his new role as spoiler and he's going to play it to the bitter end.
"Feel the Bern" has been transformed into "Bern, baby, Bern."
"Feel the Bern" has been transformed into "Bern, baby, Bern."
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What has changed is the media's focus as they try to help Hillary over the hump and to discredit Bernie. If you pay attention to what he's actually doing and saying the message is the same.
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His message is unchanged. Get money out of politics, ensure a fair and transparent electoral system, reverse the trajectory that our country has been on for the last 40 years or so.
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@EJS - I disagree. Bernie Sanders has changed quite a bit since the beginning of his campaign. There's also the troubling matter of his contradicting himself, not being able to answer questions to statements about where he stands on issues posted on his own website, and refusing to release his tax returns so we can see how close he and his wife actually are to joining the upper percentage of the wealthy.
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I've sympathized with the civil rights and women's rights goals since I first became aware at about 12 years of age. A Hillary presidency would mean we persevered and won a place at the head table on these issues. Bernie's dismissal of Planned Parenthood as "establishment" clinched my conviction he's out of touch with the goals that drove my life. I'm going to fight to defeat Bernie.
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It seems obvious that the NY Times is squashing pro Bernie comments for this article. In other recent articles like this the top comments were always pro Bernie.
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California primary coming up. It is a deliberate attempt to influence the outcome in favor of Clinton. A Bernie Sanders victory in California augurs a P.R. nightmare for Hillary. In my decades of reading the NYTimes, I don't rememeber seeing a comment thread this long and this transparently tendentious.The Clinton trolls have taken it over. It only underlines the fear and desperation in the Clinton camp and underscores the complicity of the NYT who endorsed her.
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People who are Democrats and have been for a long time have decided to respond and comment more. Remember Hillary Clinton voters outnumber Bernie Sanders voters by over 3 million. Therefore, it truly makes sense that pro-Clinton comments outnumber pro-Sanders.
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To Joe Sabin:
Remember that millions of Bernie voters were not allowed to vote because of the "Democratic" Party Voter Suppression program.
Remember that millions of Bernie voters were not allowed to vote because of the "Democratic" Party Voter Suppression program.
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Whatever anybody accuses Bernie Sanders of they can't say he doesn't have monumental courage and persistence—and a very big and loyal/passionate following. Coming from relative obscurity, with all the cards stacked against him in every way he has made a huge impact on American democracy, without any help from the media or giant corporations.
Let's not forget that. Let's accord respect to people who deserve it. I support Hillary Clinton but that doesn't mean I want Bernie to be trashed or dismissed or unfairly represented in the press. I think he could prevent Hillary from getting enough pledged delegates and if he does he has every right to a contested convention. I think he could have done it without undermining Hillary or the Democratic Party, so it's a shame that he chose that route.
But it's easy to judge from the outside and perhaps if I was in his position I'd have done the same. Both Democratic candidates are phenomenal people and it would be so wonderful if we could focus on and celebrate that instead of getting bogged down in hatred and online verbal abuse. It doesn't matter who started it. Let's stop the war.
Let's not forget that. Let's accord respect to people who deserve it. I support Hillary Clinton but that doesn't mean I want Bernie to be trashed or dismissed or unfairly represented in the press. I think he could prevent Hillary from getting enough pledged delegates and if he does he has every right to a contested convention. I think he could have done it without undermining Hillary or the Democratic Party, so it's a shame that he chose that route.
But it's easy to judge from the outside and perhaps if I was in his position I'd have done the same. Both Democratic candidates are phenomenal people and it would be so wonderful if we could focus on and celebrate that instead of getting bogged down in hatred and online verbal abuse. It doesn't matter who started it. Let's stop the war.
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What, exactly, is the scoffing snot-nosed comment about an aide to Sanders having owned a comic book store meant to imply? Are you now attempting to demonize small business owners (such as myself) and further alienate once-loyal subscribers? If so, it appears to be working. It seems you have already lost a significant number of readers due to your appallingly prejudicial political coverage. It has taken me some time to convince my husband to un-subscribe from your 'official organ of the 1%' - if only because he was unwilling to relinquish the crossword puzzle. We have both noticed, however, that, concurrent with your increasing fanaticism, re: Hillary, the crossword has become increasingly simplistic to the point where it no longer presents even the wispiest of challenges. I am assuming, however, that you are just attempting to appeal to a certain candidate's demographic.
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Condescend often? Notice, however, that the moderators did approve your comment. So much for one-sidedness aye?
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And to get to this page, I had to "skip" an ad for multimillion dollar real estate, which shows you where their real priorities lay.
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It's remarkable, the degree to which some of the Left are shocked by the existence of money.
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I thought supporters determine the distance a candidate goes and not the political surrogates who can't see or say that.
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It appears the NYT and other mainstream media are not content to let the primaries run their natural course. This article is not reporting, it belongs in the opinion section. What happened in the Nevada primary to inflame the Sanders supporters? You won't find it in this or other articles.
Why use trigger words like socialist, anarchist, or position Clinton as a victim? Is this an attempt to skew the results before the California and re,aiming state primaries?
This never was a democrats mien so many readers toss out against Sanders ignores he's caucused with democrats during his congressional and senate career. It shows he was trying to work from inside the system unlike Nader.
I don't think Sanders would be continuing to draw the crowds to his rallies of his only content was the bashing of Hillary as these articles would lead us to believe, but you won't find any content by the NYT reporters on Sanders positions or how he differentiates his policies from Clinton.
Just remember based on today's definition of Sanders FDR would be a socialist radical.
Why use trigger words like socialist, anarchist, or position Clinton as a victim? Is this an attempt to skew the results before the California and re,aiming state primaries?
This never was a democrats mien so many readers toss out against Sanders ignores he's caucused with democrats during his congressional and senate career. It shows he was trying to work from inside the system unlike Nader.
I don't think Sanders would be continuing to draw the crowds to his rallies of his only content was the bashing of Hillary as these articles would lead us to believe, but you won't find any content by the NYT reporters on Sanders positions or how he differentiates his policies from Clinton.
Just remember based on today's definition of Sanders FDR would be a socialist radical.
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With regards to the Nevada convention: I believe that Sanders supporters were frustrated and worn down by hour after hour of undemocratic proceedings on the part of the Nevada democratic party and chair Roberta Lange. The footage being promoted on news networks shows the ensuing anger of Sanders supporters towards the end of the 16 hour session, I haven't seen much coverage of the way the convention was handled by party officials - or reasons why people could have possibly gotten so heated and angry. I did find this video.
https://youtu.be/tVa4G32M7Bc
All I know is, if I was speaking up and not being listened or even acknowledged... my speaking would turn into yelling pretty quickly. Add the fact that this event is adopting new rules last minute (that were then weren't up for a vote), and is feigning democracy, you bet your autumn harvest I would be pretty upset.
I have not yet seen any evidence or confirmation of chair throwing (I have seen a man pick up a chair). Please send any links my way if you find it. As for "violence", there were state troopers there and yet... no arrests? (granted, I didn't see many black people at the convention). I guess people handled themselves well enough.
As Australian news outlets, just purchase, copy and paste their news from AP and US media outlets, I have developed in to an internet searching super sleuth. I must say I have expanded into being a more critical thinking, open minded woman. Thank you, American election saga!
https://youtu.be/tVa4G32M7Bc
All I know is, if I was speaking up and not being listened or even acknowledged... my speaking would turn into yelling pretty quickly. Add the fact that this event is adopting new rules last minute (that were then weren't up for a vote), and is feigning democracy, you bet your autumn harvest I would be pretty upset.
I have not yet seen any evidence or confirmation of chair throwing (I have seen a man pick up a chair). Please send any links my way if you find it. As for "violence", there were state troopers there and yet... no arrests? (granted, I didn't see many black people at the convention). I guess people handled themselves well enough.
As Australian news outlets, just purchase, copy and paste their news from AP and US media outlets, I have developed in to an internet searching super sleuth. I must say I have expanded into being a more critical thinking, open minded woman. Thank you, American election saga!
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Politics is a grind, it is keeping your cool when you are angry as all get out, but smiling anyway. Sanders and his supporters need to learn a bit of that. If you lose one, you go after the next win. But the constant whining of corruption, etc. is really getting old. Sanders is losing and losing significantly. Sure he's had wins, but overall he is losing. He won't be the nominee of the Democratic party and he's angry about that and it's really showing.
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Yup. Exactly. It ain't an 87-minute movie, folks, as you should have learned from the civil rights movement.
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@Jennifer - Again, this is NOT about chair throwing. It's about personal threats made to Roberta Lange from Sanders supporters. Below is an excerpt from the NYT, and they're not the only ones writing about it.
From NYT: Supporters of Mr. Sanders used similar tactics to exert pressure on Ms. Lange, who has received more than 1,000 calls since Saturday night and as many as three text messages per minute. The threats, which came from men and women from across the country, were haunting and personal.
“Loved how you broke the system,” one person wrote in a text message that said he or she knew where Ms. Lange’s grandchildren went to school. “Prepare for hell. Calls won’t stop.”
Another person left a voice mail message saying he thought Ms. Lange should be “hung in public execution” for her actions.
From NYT: Supporters of Mr. Sanders used similar tactics to exert pressure on Ms. Lange, who has received more than 1,000 calls since Saturday night and as many as three text messages per minute. The threats, which came from men and women from across the country, were haunting and personal.
“Loved how you broke the system,” one person wrote in a text message that said he or she knew where Ms. Lange’s grandchildren went to school. “Prepare for hell. Calls won’t stop.”
Another person left a voice mail message saying he thought Ms. Lange should be “hung in public execution” for her actions.
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I can always tell what the new line of disinformation is by the keywords and phrases used, almost verbatim, but the same people, over and over again. This week's tact seems to be to describe Bernie as an 'egoist' and 'unstable' candidate, one who is in it only for himself now, and whom they 'used to respect ... but'
We've already had a blow-up these same comments clogging the feed in our group and pages in just the past two days, using almost the exact same terminology. Does Correct the Record send out a script each week, depending on how the previous disinformation campaign went? Well, at least they've stopped spamming us with porn.
Interesting that the NYTs has either disallowed comments on many stories or cut them off at a relatively low number, but this one is still open at nearly 6,000 comments.
We've already had a blow-up these same comments clogging the feed in our group and pages in just the past two days, using almost the exact same terminology. Does Correct the Record send out a script each week, depending on how the previous disinformation campaign went? Well, at least they've stopped spamming us with porn.
Interesting that the NYTs has either disallowed comments on many stories or cut them off at a relatively low number, but this one is still open at nearly 6,000 comments.
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There are also instances of posts written in completely different styles (e.g., bad/good grammar and punctuation) detailing completely different reasons on the topic of "why-I-used-to-like-Bernie-but-then-I-saw-the-light" attributed to the same commenter, suggesting that 4 or 5 people are using the same pseudonym.
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1. There are rather more posts from different commentors who are pro-Bernie that says exactly the same things in pretty much the same way as any of Trump's or Cruz' supporters.
2. If the Times had closed the comments off, you'd be shrieking about their corporatist attack on the rights of The People to speak.
2. If the Times had closed the comments off, you'd be shrieking about their corporatist attack on the rights of The People to speak.
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I don't shriek, but I am curious. It is now at 6323.
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While popping in to my local news shop this afternoon, I noticed that The New York Times was prominently displayed on the tabloids shelf - right between The National Enquirer and The Daily News. I don't think it was a mistake.
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have no doubts , make no mistake ,the next POTUS is Bernie Sanders , the voice of "We the 99%" . Hellary, The Wall Street babe is out . Trump will decimate her cutting her to mincemeat . She ,the puppet on a string of the wolves of wall street and a werewolf herself out to cheat the public in sheep's clothing has no chance in front of him an honest wolf in wolf's clothing . Look at her record of how she has been of help to "us the 99%' except through lip service ,and by expressing pious sentiments , but nothing substantial has come out of it. Her economic policies have widened the gap between the rich and the poor , She has basically in fact has been a war monger helping the weapon peddlers to make greedy profits predating on the vulnerable in america .She has been against industrial trade unions helping the business corporations to export manufacturing factors along with its jobs seeking cheap labour thus depriving the means of livelihood to americans . she could have fooled some gullible voters for all the time to vote for her but she cant fool all voters all the time . It is the wish and will of "WeThe 99%" of the people of america that Sanders, the person who cares for the people , who is himself not one of the billionaire class , which the other two are , has to be the POTUS to save Democracy which the billionaire class is trying to hijack.
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"Harm"? Is this an op ed? Such ignorant and inaccurate visceral language . Did Bernie say he was wiling to harm Clinton?
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I wonder if I'm the only person in America who believes Jeff Weaver belongs in a padded cell with a lifetime supply of Ben and Jerry's?
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Jeff Weaver doesn't deserve Ben & Jerry's. I'd be OK with giving him an endless supply of kale.
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Wow. Look at that headline. The NYT think they are Gawds...and an honest man is going to ruin corruption and greed. But nothing said about how the racist dog Republicans are inviting destruction to the peaceful American way of life. There are cowards and sellouts everywhere replacing what was once "Truth in News."
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The DNC & Hillary Clinton may have already lost the election. By failing to put away her constant issues about emails, her Wall Street issues, and now the re-opening of the "Bill" problem, Sec. Clinton has been pretty adept at keeping enough negatives in front of the American people. The DNC give the green light to a socialist independent to run as a democrat is the hopes of giving Hillary something to do? Instead Mr. Sanders energizes young democrats and Liberals who feel that President Obama has failed on many of the promises he made when he was elected. The DNC now risks blowing up the whole party by giving the appearance of favoritism to one candidate over another. The leadership let a fight break out over a few number of state delegates. They have an insurgent senator who's running on a platform of change and yet many if not most of the DNC leadership are Clinton surrogates. The DNC is harming Clinton as we speak. Instead of stopping the "Sanders should quit talk" they have let it fester. Pivot to the November election. The Supreme Court seat alone is enough to support the Democrats. The race will be over on June 7th.
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A couple of seats on committees. Wasserman-Schultz is acting like a petulant CEO trying to placate an activist investor.
The Bern's not an activist investor, Debbie. He's leading a hostile takeover!
The Bern's not an activist investor, Debbie. He's leading a hostile takeover!
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@Tacitus - He doesn't have the votes for a hostile takeover.
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That is what conventions are for. To fight for votes you may not yet have. Negotiate. Cajole. Influence. Conventions are not necessarily coronations. Hillary is not the nominee, even though she has declared herself to be so. A lot can happen between now and July.
I think you've trolled enough here for one day.
I think you've trolled enough here for one day.
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The longer this race continues, the less I like Bernie--or perhaps Weaver the campaign manager is the culprit. Bernie & his supporters can make important contributions--but not if they alienate other progressives who disagree with them.
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It's a pity that the Times comment section has evolved into the echo chamber that you can find almost anywhere else on the internet. It begs the question why I continue to pay you $15 a month for such poor journalism (across the board in this election cycle). However, you must have racked in a nice little tidy sum from the HRC Super PAC that claims to "correct" the spin with the 100's of new "subscribers" that I've never seen before. I guess your own spin just isn't enough.
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to JMC who complains about comments with different views: "It begs the question why I continue to pay you $15 a month for such poor journalism (across the board in this election cycle). However, you must have racked in a nice little tidy sum from the HRC Super PAC that claims to "correct" the spin with the 100's of new "subscribers" that I've never seen before. I guess your own spin just isn't enough."
I'm surprised because I pay $36 a month and have been a subscriber since 1992, around the time I became an informed supporter of Hillary Clinton. I used to sometimes read comments but only in the last few months started commenting to defend my candidate from the outrageous lies and misogyny I see smeared on my newspaper's comments section by Sanders Socialists.
You are so paranoid. HRC Super Pac adding 100s of "new" subscribers to correct the spin? How old are you, 12? You don't believe the popular vote counts in the primaries? You think only your opinion matters?
I've had enough from socialists. Make an alliance with the registered Democrats and our candidate, or vote for Trump/Jill Stein/stay home. Our constitution calls for a President elected by the majority, favoring 2 parties. Since Clinton and Sanders voted the same way in the Senate 93% of the time they clearly have the same goals. HRC has more experience, more guts, more intelligence, more primary votes, more pledged delegates, more support from her colleagues she has been collaborating with for decades.
I'm surprised because I pay $36 a month and have been a subscriber since 1992, around the time I became an informed supporter of Hillary Clinton. I used to sometimes read comments but only in the last few months started commenting to defend my candidate from the outrageous lies and misogyny I see smeared on my newspaper's comments section by Sanders Socialists.
You are so paranoid. HRC Super Pac adding 100s of "new" subscribers to correct the spin? How old are you, 12? You don't believe the popular vote counts in the primaries? You think only your opinion matters?
I've had enough from socialists. Make an alliance with the registered Democrats and our candidate, or vote for Trump/Jill Stein/stay home. Our constitution calls for a President elected by the majority, favoring 2 parties. Since Clinton and Sanders voted the same way in the Senate 93% of the time they clearly have the same goals. HRC has more experience, more guts, more intelligence, more primary votes, more pledged delegates, more support from her colleagues she has been collaborating with for decades.
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I have read MS. Alcindors articles attacking Bernie Sanders for more than six months. It's become clear that she is an operative of the Clinton campaign.
To raise the hysteria of " doing harm " to the Clinton campaign invokes the sector of violence as the primary season comes to a close. The only person arrested in Nevada was a Clinton supporter who attacked a Bernie supporter!
The second big lie in the article is that HRChas a 3 million vote lead over Bernie-- 2 weeks ago she said it was 2 million-- creative math to create the narrative that HRC has everything sewn up.
The Times reports the Clinton Machines hysteria / a Trump technique to command the media space when Bernie has scored a major victory.
The real story of the week is how Bernie faught HRC to a tie in KY and won in OR by more than9 points. Looks like the " presumptive nominee" is in deep trouble. And the FBI indictments are on the way. Romanian hacker Gucifer is spilling his guts right now on how he got access to State Dept military and CIA secrets.
To raise the hysteria of " doing harm " to the Clinton campaign invokes the sector of violence as the primary season comes to a close. The only person arrested in Nevada was a Clinton supporter who attacked a Bernie supporter!
The second big lie in the article is that HRChas a 3 million vote lead over Bernie-- 2 weeks ago she said it was 2 million-- creative math to create the narrative that HRC has everything sewn up.
The Times reports the Clinton Machines hysteria / a Trump technique to command the media space when Bernie has scored a major victory.
The real story of the week is how Bernie faught HRC to a tie in KY and won in OR by more than9 points. Looks like the " presumptive nominee" is in deep trouble. And the FBI indictments are on the way. Romanian hacker Gucifer is spilling his guts right now on how he got access to State Dept military and CIA secrets.
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Bernie Sanders, WHERE ARE THE REST OF YOUR TAX RETURNS???
Quit stalling and giving dumb excuses.
I almost wish Hillary Clinton would say "I will release my speech transcripts when Bernie Sanders releases 30 years of tax returns as I have" just so I can watch Bernie Sanders hem and haw some more.
Quit stalling and giving dumb excuses.
I almost wish Hillary Clinton would say "I will release my speech transcripts when Bernie Sanders releases 30 years of tax returns as I have" just so I can watch Bernie Sanders hem and haw some more.
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Only a candidate as weak as Hillary would declare herself a winner before the contest is over. The reason I will not vote for her is - her! and Debbie W Shultz, both of whom have shown that they have absolutely no respect for the 10million progressives who have voted for Bernie. You don't want us - so why in the world would we want you?
For 35 years I have gone along with the notion that I have to keep moving to the right, or it will get worse. Hillary can't even promise to tax wall street profits or make billionaires pay their share. This is not democracy, it's oligarchy, and I will not sit down and shut up and vote for this lie.
For 35 years I have gone along with the notion that I have to keep moving to the right, or it will get worse. Hillary can't even promise to tax wall street profits or make billionaires pay their share. This is not democracy, it's oligarchy, and I will not sit down and shut up and vote for this lie.
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I know; foot in the mouth once again. Does she not realize how such a remark is guaranteed to make people dig in their heels. It's kind of on the level of "[I took the $600K+ because] that's what they offered." She really does think voters are sheep.
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@Margaret - Actually, Goldman Sachs didn't pay that much for a speech. Google Hillary's tax returns, every speech, who for and how much, is itemized during the year she did public speaking. And, by the way, Hillary & Bills combined effective tax rate for the last 15 years has ranged from 36.6% to 45.8%. What did Bernie pay?
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/
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I think of Sanders as the Wizard of Oz. His wife and Weaver are the puppet masters, and he just repeats the same ole' speeches over and over again. That's why he does so poorly in interviews - not enough time to be fed the right answers by Jane and Jeff.
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Irrelevant. It's the woman behind the curtain pulling the strings. Obviously Billary's fooled millions into erasing the spectacle of the 1990s from their brains.
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@Margaret - I assume by "spectacle" you're referring to the best economic conditions for a long time, and the surplus left for "W"? Or do you mean the numerous Republican investigations that turned up nothing whatsoever?
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I thought I had logged into Fox cable news in print instead of the NYT. Not just the article itself but the comments and the NYT’s picks are straight Fox cable fare. All these folks who comment that Sanders isn’t a democrat sound like the shrill right, not thoughtful democrats. It’s stunning to watch the NYT’s standards plummet. What a disservice to its readers!
I was one of those independents who got shut out of the primary process in Colorado because I tried registering as a democrat too late. Colorado requires registration with a party three months in advance of the primary in order to participate. No telling how far ahead of Clinton Mr. Sanders would be if the primaries truly reflected the numbers of people who support him.
Shame on the Democratic National Committee for shunning Sanders and his supporters and shame on the NYT for nothing less than a partisan piece.
I was one of those independents who got shut out of the primary process in Colorado because I tried registering as a democrat too late. Colorado requires registration with a party three months in advance of the primary in order to participate. No telling how far ahead of Clinton Mr. Sanders would be if the primaries truly reflected the numbers of people who support him.
Shame on the Democratic National Committee for shunning Sanders and his supporters and shame on the NYT for nothing less than a partisan piece.
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@fishergal - Please stop whining about voting requirements. Each state sets their own. It's everyone's individual responsibility to know what the requirements are, and it's extremely easy to find out. You're apparently aware of technology, use it for more than social media.
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We all know the NYT is Hillary/Wall Street Propaganda. Have you all taken back the lie about chair-throwing in Las Vegas yet? How about Delores Huerta?
See you in Philly. #BernieOrBust
See you in Philly. #BernieOrBust
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Bernie just wants attention. He couldn't care less about the Democratic party. He's not even a real Democrat. He's making it more and more possible that Trump can actually win. He's a pathetic narcissist.
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The crystal ball says that Hillary and Bernie will join forces to defeat the really big enemy: Donald Trump.
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It's interesting that the NY Times has a reputation for being the paper of record when the comments section makes clear that many of its readers are extremely uninformed.
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Article could be titled "Against increasingly tough odds, politician trying to win primary against opponent", but I can see how that doesn't get you as many clicks as "willing to harm Hillary Clinton".
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I don't understand why Sen. Clinton feels like she's earned this nomination before we in the western states have yet to cast our ballots? Frankly it is this arrogance which has turned many away from her. So I say to the media & her supporters; if she is so great, be patient and let the process reveal her to be the nominee. Otherwise stand aside for what the people want.
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Alternate title for this story: "Politician Tries to Win Election"
Is this really newsworthy? Why are people complaining that Bernie is still trying to win the nomination? If having a primary is so damaging to the Democratic Party, why did they decide to hold one in the first place?
It is the epitome of unsportsmanlike conduct to hold a contest and then complain when people compete in it.
It's also in extremely poor taste to blame your opponent if you aren't doing as well as you would have liked in a contest.
Is this really newsworthy? Why are people complaining that Bernie is still trying to win the nomination? If having a primary is so damaging to the Democratic Party, why did they decide to hold one in the first place?
It is the epitome of unsportsmanlike conduct to hold a contest and then complain when people compete in it.
It's also in extremely poor taste to blame your opponent if you aren't doing as well as you would have liked in a contest.
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Of the many thousands of comments here, Tom's must have cut to the quick faster than anyone's.
"If the primary is so damaging to the Democratic Party, why did they decide to hold one in the first place?"
This is exactly the point. HRC, DWS, and the DNC would have preferred a primary consisting entirely of Lincoln Chafees, whom Hillary could eat for breakfast. They didn't want a real fight with a real candidate. That's why it took an Independent (who, of course, has always caucused with Democrats) to give us the fight to which our representative democracy entitles us.
We didn't fight a revolution, ratify a constitution, and fight a civil war so the most powerful people in two political parties could handpick their champions. The Republican and Democratic establishments alike are both deeply afraid of the popular democracy that they're so willing to pretend to export to the countries they bomb.
Give 'em hell, Bernie! See you folks in Philly.
"If the primary is so damaging to the Democratic Party, why did they decide to hold one in the first place?"
This is exactly the point. HRC, DWS, and the DNC would have preferred a primary consisting entirely of Lincoln Chafees, whom Hillary could eat for breakfast. They didn't want a real fight with a real candidate. That's why it took an Independent (who, of course, has always caucused with Democrats) to give us the fight to which our representative democracy entitles us.
We didn't fight a revolution, ratify a constitution, and fight a civil war so the most powerful people in two political parties could handpick their champions. The Republican and Democratic establishments alike are both deeply afraid of the popular democracy that they're so willing to pretend to export to the countries they bomb.
Give 'em hell, Bernie! See you folks in Philly.
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Arghh!!!! Can the authors address what actually happened at the NV convention instead of repeatedly calling it a "melee" while offering no context? Sanders supporters WERE cheated out of some delegates by the Clinton-allied party chair who changed the rules as she went, gaveled faulty voice votes and refused to entertain objections. THIS HAPPENED! It is not a conspiracy. Media, including NYT, gloss over this and then suggest Sanders supporters are simply sore losers looking for trouble. And you wonder why we're mad?!?
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There are some detailed non-inflammatory analyses out there. Basically though, Sanders stood to pick up 2 delegates that had been allotted to Clinton in the bottom-level caucuses (open to all registered dem voters) due to the delegates elected originally not all showing up at the regional convention. Not all delegates from the regional showed up at the state convention. Clinton campaign challenged credentials of 60+ Sanders delegates - not all those showed up, of those that did 6 got their credentials straightened out, 8 did not and weren't seated. 50+ didn't show. Those 8 would not have been sufficient to get Sanders those 2 delegates. So for better or worse the end result was reflective of the original vote. The credentials committee was evenly split between supporters for the 2 candidates, and had co-chairs. Hopefully if Sanders delegates understood this there would not have been screaming, throwing chairs and internet bullying. The question is, why did they think otherwise? That's where the Sanders campaign is implicated.
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Your description is missing some key details.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
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You mean the thrown chair? Glad to hear that wasn't true. But it doesn't really change the flavor of what happened.
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Looks like another cynical half-truth creation of NY Times, and their selection of early comments that compliment Clinton and demonize Sanders. Typical. Clinton is going to lose - one way or the other. And that's what really bugs them.
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@owldog - You should do the delegate math rather than theorize, which is when you will realize that Sanders is too far behind to catch up at this point.
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In busy lives folks have only time to read the headlines of news stories. The full story moderates the impression left by the headline. Headlines are meant to capture attention, not to tell the story. What goes on the front page? "If it bleeds, it leads!" Editors use headlines to influence readers' emotions about events. They know that many will not read the content of the story.
Holy crap! Just feel the emotional impact of the way this story was written. carefully-chosen words and imagery! "Defiant" Sanders is "willing" to "harm" a woman - Not just her campaign but herself. He intends to "harm Hillary". He plans "inflicting a heavy blow on Hillary". He's not just trying to be President - he's trying to "advance his agenda". He will even try to "wrest" the nomination from her, their sweat-soaked bodies writhing in mano-a-mano combat, poor Hillary half-senseless from heavy blows etc etc. .
Do you suppose this might just leave a sort of bad taste about Bernie in the minds of readers? Or is it just silly me?
How about this take? "Bernie Sanders hopes to convince more people to vote for him than to vote for Hillary. He is going to try really hard, just like Hillary, using every tool of persuasion and reason he can muster. "
Does that feel more like it?
Just sayin'
Holy crap! Just feel the emotional impact of the way this story was written. carefully-chosen words and imagery! "Defiant" Sanders is "willing" to "harm" a woman - Not just her campaign but herself. He intends to "harm Hillary". He plans "inflicting a heavy blow on Hillary". He's not just trying to be President - he's trying to "advance his agenda". He will even try to "wrest" the nomination from her, their sweat-soaked bodies writhing in mano-a-mano combat, poor Hillary half-senseless from heavy blows etc etc. .
Do you suppose this might just leave a sort of bad taste about Bernie in the minds of readers? Or is it just silly me?
How about this take? "Bernie Sanders hopes to convince more people to vote for him than to vote for Hillary. He is going to try really hard, just like Hillary, using every tool of persuasion and reason he can muster. "
Does that feel more like it?
Just sayin'
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Well, you just ensured that you will never be hired to write headlines.
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As a California voter, I had been considering voting for Sanders, whose agenda I identify with the most, to strengthen his position at the convention in hope of influencing the democratic agenda. Some of his most vocal supporters have been disturbing- in their willful disbelief of facts, their reactionary response to any internet meme, and re-trumpeting of FOX news talking points, but I felt they were not reflective of Sanders himself. However, after what happened at the Nevada convention, which I believe was orchestrated by his campaign if not him directly, and Sanders response, I'm out. I'll be voting for Clinton.
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Try checking the facts instead of relying on the media's twisted version of the story:
http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
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So Bernie made Roberta Lange blatantly cheat, then throw out Bernie delegates and made a Clinton supporter assault a Bernie supporter? This was all caught on camera. Bernie's headquarters has also since gotten death threats, smashed windows and gunshots. Either you're ignorant of what went on in Nevada or you never were a Bernie supporter and you're another Concern Troll for Clinton.
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Mischa - Unless you were in Nevada, and could see everywhere and everyone all the time, you don't know what happened either. The real problem in Nevada was Sanders supporters upset with (or not understanding) the state democratic rules for the caucus (not election), and Sanders supporters' blasting Ms. Lange's cell phone with vile comments and death threats. And there is proof for that, and numbers identified.
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Here we go again: nothing about Sanders platform; just an NYT rehash of how Sanders is ruining the coronation. He has a platform; it's important; I'm in CA, I want to vote for it. Let me.
He's making clear distinctions between him and HRC because they exist. It's a 'revolution'. Though, on that last, not really, got it, can do the math, etc.
What is important is that Sanders and Trump are symbols of the disenfranchisement with the present in the population and that kind of true believer/mass movement isn't interested in compromise -- because the present doesn't work for them and HRC/Dems helped create the present.
The NYT--and many commenters—misapprehend the Bernie phenomenon by using a misguided ad hominem approach. Bernie's off track not by ego, not by drawing sharp distinctions with HRC--and even not by leveraging amassed power–(the real sin/threat)--but by not encasing the imprimatur he has earned in the folds of the American narrative. None of this is new, including the carping of establishment Democrats unwilling to imagine their plans altered and their positions effected.
To put a fine point on it: my wife and I are lifelong Democrats. We just re-registered as independents. We will vote for Bernie in CA. While the globe goes through a healthy and inevitable post-WWII redistribution of industrial infrastructure, money and power, Democrats respond with a massive gutting of the US infrastructure and people. Sic transit gloria mundi? Et metis quod non seminasti!
He's making clear distinctions between him and HRC because they exist. It's a 'revolution'. Though, on that last, not really, got it, can do the math, etc.
What is important is that Sanders and Trump are symbols of the disenfranchisement with the present in the population and that kind of true believer/mass movement isn't interested in compromise -- because the present doesn't work for them and HRC/Dems helped create the present.
The NYT--and many commenters—misapprehend the Bernie phenomenon by using a misguided ad hominem approach. Bernie's off track not by ego, not by drawing sharp distinctions with HRC--and even not by leveraging amassed power–(the real sin/threat)--but by not encasing the imprimatur he has earned in the folds of the American narrative. None of this is new, including the carping of establishment Democrats unwilling to imagine their plans altered and their positions effected.
To put a fine point on it: my wife and I are lifelong Democrats. We just re-registered as independents. We will vote for Bernie in CA. While the globe goes through a healthy and inevitable post-WWII redistribution of industrial infrastructure, money and power, Democrats respond with a massive gutting of the US infrastructure and people. Sic transit gloria mundi? Et metis quod non seminasti!
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Sanders may have a platform, but there's precious little detail, and the detail adds up to huge income tax increases for the average person.
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz bears much of the responsibility for the current discord in the Democratic Party.
If she'd been less obviously biased in favor of Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders' gripes about process would be far less credible.
If she'd been less obviously biased in favor of Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders' gripes about process would be far less credible.
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NYT, your bias against Sanders just can't be helped can it?? Wow, the subtle slant the highlighting of normalcy to make a point to degrade the Bernie people is incredible. This is why he is doing what he is doing so monopolized media can no longer get away with attempts of "brainwashing" the public with the blatant biases to try to influence outcome. Journalist should state their biases and their conflict of interest when they have a piece published. This article reeks of support/bias for Hillary, therefore making what is written much more meaningless. Whatever happened to presenting the facts on both sides in a balanced way, with an aim for neutrality and letting the people make up their own mind.
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Could it be that this seasoned Millennial was just testing the waters for a real run in the 2020 Presidential race?
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We are constantly told that we must vote for Hillary so as to keep the Republican bogeyman out of office. we are reminded over and over about Nader and the 2000 election. Yes, that gave us George W. Bush, and George really made a mess--and his worst mistake by far was his off-the-wall invasion of Iraq which cost us $trillions, killed hundreds of thousands, destabilized the whole region, and still has us tied up. Terrible!
But wait...didn't Hillary Clinton vote in favor of that war?
If you're caught up in the "lesser of two evils" syndrome, then the powers that be have you right where they want you, and your vote doesn't count for very much. Because we will always be presented with a Republican bogeyman, and a Democrat who isn't (we hope) quite as bad. How far to the right do the Democrats have to move the goal posts before we say "Enough!"
If we ever want to have progressive government in this country we can't keep electing Democratic candidates that are owned by Wall St. (and are reckless and bellicose in foreign policy).
There is still a chance to nominate Sanders. Let's do it.
But wait...didn't Hillary Clinton vote in favor of that war?
If you're caught up in the "lesser of two evils" syndrome, then the powers that be have you right where they want you, and your vote doesn't count for very much. Because we will always be presented with a Republican bogeyman, and a Democrat who isn't (we hope) quite as bad. How far to the right do the Democrats have to move the goal posts before we say "Enough!"
If we ever want to have progressive government in this country we can't keep electing Democratic candidates that are owned by Wall St. (and are reckless and bellicose in foreign policy).
There is still a chance to nominate Sanders. Let's do it.
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Yeah...because Bernie never voted for regime change in Iraq. While I understand why people support him, I think being vetted on a national stage would just destroy his chances. He's been around the scene for 40 years and how much has he really done?
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Perhaps you ought to read the Senate resolution that Sen. Climton voted for. That might clarify the issue for you.
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Perhaps you ought to note that Senator Sanders voted for renewing the Patriot Act.
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To CONVINCE the super delegates to switch to Bernie, it is not critical that Bernie hold the majority of pledged delegates before the convention.
FACT: Hillaby can NOT beat Trump.
In recent polling, ONLY Bernie consistently and completely crushes Trump in ALL polls; she either loses or is tied with Trump, and it's getting WORSE.
ONLY Bernie can GUARANTEE a victory over Trump.
Whether he does so as a democrat or an independent will be the CRITICAL decision with which the SDs will have to contend.
Sure, they may think, "but she has the most votes."
It is, however, EASY to Debunk Hillary’s Specious “Winning the Popular Vote” Claim.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/debunking-hillarys-specio_b_99723...
continues...
So it is in the super delegate's OWN BEST INTEREST to ensure Bernie remains in the democratic party.
FACT: Hillaby can NOT beat Trump.
In recent polling, ONLY Bernie consistently and completely crushes Trump in ALL polls; she either loses or is tied with Trump, and it's getting WORSE.
ONLY Bernie can GUARANTEE a victory over Trump.
Whether he does so as a democrat or an independent will be the CRITICAL decision with which the SDs will have to contend.
Sure, they may think, "but she has the most votes."
It is, however, EASY to Debunk Hillary’s Specious “Winning the Popular Vote” Claim.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/debunking-hillarys-specio_b_99723...
continues...
So it is in the super delegate's OWN BEST INTEREST to ensure Bernie remains in the democratic party.
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You can't ensure Bernie will remain in the Democratic party, because he doesn't want to stay there. In fact, if he didn't need the party's structure to be a viable candidate he wouldn't have joined up in the first place. When Bernie fails to win the nomination, he'll only stick around if he thinks he can get changes to the party platform. If that doesn't happen to his liking he'll drop the party in a New York minute.
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Wow -- you should be making millions, because you are the only person in the world who can GUARANTEE (in all caps) the results of an election that hasn't even begun yet.
Or wait -- you're being sarcastic ,doing an imitation of the adoring Sanders robots, yes?
Good job!!
Or wait -- you're being sarcastic ,doing an imitation of the adoring Sanders robots, yes?
Good job!!
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"To CONVINCE the super delegates to switch to Bernie, it is not critical that Bernie hold the majority of pledged delegates before the convention."
The HYPOCRISY is astounding.
The HYPOCRISY is astounding.
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Hillary supported Iraq war, a $8 Trillion debt CREATING ISIS, destabilizing the middle East . This fuels banks and USA's industrial military complex rolling in $$. Like Trump and Republicans are bought by big oil and big banks, destroying the US middle class. BERNIE is our only hope
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I realize it's easier to play "I wuz cheated," than to do the work of slowly, patiently organizing.
Sincerely,
Joe Hill
Sincerely,
Joe Hill
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My local Tea Party group is fundraising so we can bus Sanders voters and BLM activists to the convention from NYC and Baltimore.
Democrats need to see, in all its glory, the fruits of relentlessly nurturing the entitlement / victim mentality.
These are your creations. Why shun them? Don't they have a right to be heard?
Enjoy the chaos and anarchy you so richly deserve.
Democrats need to see, in all its glory, the fruits of relentlessly nurturing the entitlement / victim mentality.
These are your creations. Why shun them? Don't they have a right to be heard?
Enjoy the chaos and anarchy you so richly deserve.
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@John - We already have chaos and anarchy thanks to the Tea Party for the last several years.
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I hope to the Herbal Tea Party doesn't manage to hijack the Dems the way the Tea Party did the Repubs. Heaven preserve us from the lunatic fringe, of either side of the spectrum. Horseshoe theory is proved in this race, as far as I can tell.
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I've got news for you, Monica. The Democratic Party has already been hijacked, as of some 25 years ago. The hijackers referred to themselves as "Third Way" Democrats, and the direction in which they hijacked it was in the direction of the corporatism, pay to play politics, casino capitalism, and social Darwinism.
As a result, the United States no longer has a right-wing major party and a progressive major party. We now have two right-wing parties: one is center right; the other is loony right. The Sanders political revolution is all about reclaiming the Democratic Party from the clutches of the hijackers, for the benefit of actual Democrats; and reclaiming the United States of America for the benefit of its people - for ALL its people.
As a result, the United States no longer has a right-wing major party and a progressive major party. We now have two right-wing parties: one is center right; the other is loony right. The Sanders political revolution is all about reclaiming the Democratic Party from the clutches of the hijackers, for the benefit of actual Democrats; and reclaiming the United States of America for the benefit of its people - for ALL its people.
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"Wrest the nomination from her? – Ha! She doesn't have it yet. What are you talking about?
"…newly resolved to stay in the race." – Ha! What are you talking about. He's always said he was in it to win. Do you have to twist the truth in every single paragraph?
"willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton" – Ha! Since win has the purpose of a democratic election not been to win. You think he can't win. Lots of us still think he can because he is the better candidate.
"could help derail Mrs. Clinton from becoming the first woman elected president" – Ha! Is our purpose to elect a woman as president or to elect the most qualified individual for president. Is this about sex. How about Sanders being the first Jewish president?
"The prospect of a drawn-out Democratic fight is deeply troubling to party leaders" – Ha! This has been true from the very beginning. They want a coronation, and have done everything in their power to make this happen from the beginning.
I can't go on reading this. It's just not worth my time…
"…newly resolved to stay in the race." – Ha! What are you talking about. He's always said he was in it to win. Do you have to twist the truth in every single paragraph?
"willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton" – Ha! Since win has the purpose of a democratic election not been to win. You think he can't win. Lots of us still think he can because he is the better candidate.
"could help derail Mrs. Clinton from becoming the first woman elected president" – Ha! Is our purpose to elect a woman as president or to elect the most qualified individual for president. Is this about sex. How about Sanders being the first Jewish president?
"The prospect of a drawn-out Democratic fight is deeply troubling to party leaders" – Ha! This has been true from the very beginning. They want a coronation, and have done everything in their power to make this happen from the beginning.
I can't go on reading this. It's just not worth my time…
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Boy, you people at The Times still don't get it, do you? If you actually think that Bernie Sanders is the one who is "damaging" Hillary Clinton's campaign, then I've got news for you: the name of actual perpetrator is...Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Bernie has been treating her with kids gloves right from the very beginning, i.e. refusing to exploit the low-hanging fruit of the latest round of Clinton scandals - when Hillary herself would NEVER have been so gracious toward him, had the roles been reversed. Yet you still refuse to see what a truly horrendous candidate she actually is, and the multitude of ways she has shot herself in the foot.
(I'm so glad I canceled my subscription to the Times. When the readers understand the news better than the journalists who supposedly cover it, it's time for the readers to get their money back.)
Bernie has been treating her with kids gloves right from the very beginning, i.e. refusing to exploit the low-hanging fruit of the latest round of Clinton scandals - when Hillary herself would NEVER have been so gracious toward him, had the roles been reversed. Yet you still refuse to see what a truly horrendous candidate she actually is, and the multitude of ways she has shot herself in the foot.
(I'm so glad I canceled my subscription to the Times. When the readers understand the news better than the journalists who supposedly cover it, it's time for the readers to get their money back.)
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Cancelled subscription . . . . but still reading stories online . . . . and posting funny comments.
Addicted?
Addicted?
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There is one group, a tiny group, we call them the .01%ters, who are sitting back, studying the effect this election cycle, is having on the proletariat, not because they care about the people, but because the reactions to each candidates' positions will help them plan for the midterms, and subsequen Presidential elections.
The reality is this; the people, contrary to what they are led to believe, have no ability whatsoever, to choose the next President. The corporate owners, the real masters of our nation, would never permit such a possibility
The historic level of inequality, engineered by these .01%ters, is part of the game that has been played, viciously, since the early 1970's, a game with several elements, that guarantee complete control of the people, through perception management, the creation of division using cultural and religious differences, resulting in an "every man for himself" mentality, deliberately preventing solitary of any kind, a long term strategy of "divide and conquer", so the real owners of the wealth of our nation, Big Business, especially Big Banking, can continue their long in place rape and pillage.
Economic slavery is here to stay.
The reality is this; the people, contrary to what they are led to believe, have no ability whatsoever, to choose the next President. The corporate owners, the real masters of our nation, would never permit such a possibility
The historic level of inequality, engineered by these .01%ters, is part of the game that has been played, viciously, since the early 1970's, a game with several elements, that guarantee complete control of the people, through perception management, the creation of division using cultural and religious differences, resulting in an "every man for himself" mentality, deliberately preventing solitary of any kind, a long term strategy of "divide and conquer", so the real owners of the wealth of our nation, Big Business, especially Big Banking, can continue their long in place rape and pillage.
Economic slavery is here to stay.
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Well, well. Here's the Times throwing chairs at the Sanders campaign yet again.
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Sanders is trying to "wrest the nomination from her"?
I didn't get she had already been nominated.
And BTW, Sanders is not trying to "wrest" anything. He's running for president.
P.S. Is it me, or is not the same NY Times I have been used to reading and relying on all of these years.
I didn't get she had already been nominated.
And BTW, Sanders is not trying to "wrest" anything. He's running for president.
P.S. Is it me, or is not the same NY Times I have been used to reading and relying on all of these years.
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No, Times hasn't changed.
You have. You're under the spell of one of the country's classic con artists.
And you aren't getting what YOU want, so you blame the media.
Just like the Tea Party people.
You have. You're under the spell of one of the country's classic con artists.
And you aren't getting what YOU want, so you blame the media.
Just like the Tea Party people.
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No, it's not you. Your assessment is correct.
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Who is it that is worried about Clinton getting harmed? Who are you? What about the millions who have been jailed or lost their jobs and life savings because of the Clintons? It’s people with misplaced concern for Hillary and Bill Clinton that are the only ones doing harm.
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I see distressingly few stories actually exploring WHY Sanders supporters were so furious in Nevada. And it wasn't just that Hillary won. It was that the party engaged in last-minute chicanery and rule-changes snuck in under the table, and ratified them by voice vote, despite the fact that (and there is ample video to show it) the voice vote went overwhelmingly to the "nay".
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@Brandon - What "rule changing" exactly? Too many conspiracy theorists in the Sanders camp in my opinion.
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Nevada chair Roberta Lange put in place temporary "rule changes" at the beginning of the Nevada convention. She put them up for a vote, then in the next moment, they were no longer up for a vote. This video illustrates some of the events of the Nevada convention.
https://youtu.be/tVa4G32M7Bc
Just because some news-worthy stories aren't packaged and spoon-fed to us by the mainstream media doesn't mean they are conspiracy theories. This is the establishment, media and political, hand in hand, doing a great job "democracy", the USA and the world!
https://youtu.be/tVa4G32M7Bc
Just because some news-worthy stories aren't packaged and spoon-fed to us by the mainstream media doesn't mean they are conspiracy theories. This is the establishment, media and political, hand in hand, doing a great job "democracy", the USA and the world!
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Two months ago he touted that his average campaign contribution was $27. Last night, again he was crying out that his average campaign contribution is $27. The chance of that average not changing while receiving hundreds of thousand of contributions is statistically impossible.
His average campaign contribution may be much higher. Who knows? Who's checking and verifying?
His average campaign contribution may be much higher. Who knows? Who's checking and verifying?
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Jesus Christ! What if it's $25? What if it's $50? Don't you have better things to worry about? The point is these are small, individual contributions, not mega-bucks from corporate donors. Get a clue.
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Not only is it statistically possible, it's statistically more and more likely. When he started saying his average donation was $27, he already had millions of donations. Do you understand how difficult it is to meaningfully change the average of millions of numbers? Not only that, but most people I know donate money in $27 increments just because that's one of his talking points, making it even more likely that the average will remain at $27.
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No, the point is that he's not telling the truth!!!
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It's becoming obvious lately just how disingenuous Mr. Sanders embrace of the Democratic Party actually is. He 'joined' the party because he knew he could never get elected running as a Socialist, but if he becomes the nominee that word will be endlessly repeated by the GOP. He will be attacked constantly for his Socialist agenda: raising taxes on the wealthy and insisting that health care immediately shift to a government-run single-payer plan- which, by the way, will be labeled 'socialist' and fought by every entity in our for-profit system.
I live near Seattle and have watched numerous protests here turn ugly when the the anarchist protesters take over: shouting "down with the Capitalists", smashing shop windows, and throwing things at Police. I see the same mindset on social media with some of Sanders' supporters: the system is rigged, the DP is corrupt, HRC is a warmonger in bed with Wall Street: break everything! Anyone who disagrees is ignorant, stupid, or paid off. They insist that the ends justify the means, that HRC and the DP brought this on themselves, it's their fault- not ours!
I've seen this kind of snarky "You're the problem- not us" mindset before, during the Bush v Gore campaign. The "all or nothing" wing of the Sanders camp should take a good long look at that election instead of high-fiving each other when they cause a ruckus, because the real person responsible for the Iraq war was George W Bush- and Ralph Nader got him in the Whitehouse.
I live near Seattle and have watched numerous protests here turn ugly when the the anarchist protesters take over: shouting "down with the Capitalists", smashing shop windows, and throwing things at Police. I see the same mindset on social media with some of Sanders' supporters: the system is rigged, the DP is corrupt, HRC is a warmonger in bed with Wall Street: break everything! Anyone who disagrees is ignorant, stupid, or paid off. They insist that the ends justify the means, that HRC and the DP brought this on themselves, it's their fault- not ours!
I've seen this kind of snarky "You're the problem- not us" mindset before, during the Bush v Gore campaign. The "all or nothing" wing of the Sanders camp should take a good long look at that election instead of high-fiving each other when they cause a ruckus, because the real person responsible for the Iraq war was George W Bush- and Ralph Nader got him in the Whitehouse.
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Are you kidding? The Democratic Party is corrupt. The party is completely reliant on fundraising from corporate wrong-doers and their lobbyists. Clinton is a hawk, and not just compared Sanders (Obama has said as much). And she most certainly is I n bed" with Wall St. (ask her about those speeches, why don't ya?) Furthermore, Nader didn't cost Gore the election. Gore actually won, but a feckless Democratic Party was outmaneuvered and cheated by SCOTUS. More registered Democrats in Florida voted for Bush than for Nader.
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It appears to me that Sander's group has fallen for Trump's and the RNC's devisive propaganda. Trump has been showing false concern about poor Bernies treatment from the DNC. It seems that the Republican word for the day is "rigged". Scarborough repeated that word so many times that I lost count and of course the "media" has also latched onto the word.
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Strange how suddenly the comment space is overwhelmed by HRC supporters wishing for Sanders to go away. I would hate to think there has been some Super-pac-like coordination going on in hopes of sticking a final stake into his campaign. It would be easy enough to do; Have advanced word of the latest attack piece coming, one that paragraph by paragraph lists each argument against his campaign no matter how trivial, have your pre-written comments of agreement ready (careful: in your own words please), then submit before the rest of the country has had their coffee. Oh, one last thing; wait an hour and the go online and recommend all of your co-worker's comments.
Maybe I'm just too suspicious of the flood of new contributors. Maybe the voters really have flipped in mass for Clinton overnight.
Maybe I'm just too suspicious of the flood of new contributors. Maybe the voters really have flipped in mass for Clinton overnight.
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Nope. Once again your conspiracy theories are taking over. No coordination, unless you count actually participating in an election, where by the way she won over 3 million more votes than him. No flipping, either, see the previous statement.
I guess voting is a conspiracy too?
I guess voting is a conspiracy too?
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I have to laugh. I have written more comments in the last couple of days than in all my time subscribing. I am really worried about the tone of the Sanders campaign, a big change from when I went to a Sanders rally in NH in February. The idea that I am part of a coordinated group of attackers made me laugh, but also I have to admit that I had wondered myself about the flood of rather harsh comments from Bernie's supporters here. "Hmmm... is this a coordinated campaign to take over the NYT comments section?" So I laughed at how my own thought was taking shape from the other end of the viewer.
And wow, look at the numbers - right now I see the All section at 5951 comments. I dont think I have ever seen anywhere near that number. Where are all these commenters coming from???
And wow, look at the numbers - right now I see the All section at 5951 comments. I dont think I have ever seen anywhere near that number. Where are all these commenters coming from???
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You are right, of course. I observed exactly the same and asked myself where did all these trolls suddently come from. I have never seen a longer or more negative thread regarding Bernie Sander's's candidacy.
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One can only hope the good folks in California will stop this madness. B.S. is not now and has never been a Democrat and seems to have no understanding of what a Trump presidency will mean for the world.
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Frankly, I doubt Sanders gives a flying fig.
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Demands from Mrs. Clinton's supporters for Senator Sanders to drop out remind me of this sage observation by the late Phil Ochs: "Liberals are 10º to the left of center in good times but 10º to the right of center when it affects them personally."
These "liberals" are all for democracy... BUT let's not go too far.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
These "liberals" are all for democracy... BUT let's not go too far.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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Ph.D.-- not in math, I hope.
Or poli sci.
Democracy means voters choose.
Three million more of us chose Hillary and voted for her, than have voted for Bernie.
Democracy says -- she wins.
Or poli sci.
Democracy means voters choose.
Three million more of us chose Hillary and voted for her, than have voted for Bernie.
Democracy says -- she wins.
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kathyinct,
Care to fact check you 3 million claim Ms. K.?!?
How many votes are in a caucus's?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/debunking-hillarys-specio_b_99723...
This is not a democracy. This is a republic.
You own Rev. an apology.
Care to fact check you 3 million claim Ms. K.?!?
How many votes are in a caucus's?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/debunking-hillarys-specio_b_99723...
This is not a democracy. This is a republic.
You own Rev. an apology.
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As a Democrat who voted for Hillary in the New York primary, I am starting to become very worried about what Bernie Sanders, his campaign and supporters are now doing to weaken the Democratic Party's chances of winning the general election in November. I used to like and have respect for Sanders, but now he has become a sore loser and a very bitter and angry old man. It was shocking to read that Jeff Weaver, his campaign manager, had a job where he "recently ran a comic book store". How did Bernie hire this guy to run his Presidential campaign? That says a lot about his judgment. Sanders is becoming the Ralph Nader of 2016. If Trump beats Hillary, Bernie will have a lot of the blame for that. The next President will also appoint at least one or two, maybe even three Justices to the Supreme Court, and shape it for a generation. Remember that when you feel the BERN, you Bernie robots.
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You think Bernie has shown poor judgement in running his presidential campaign? He started out with essentially zero money, zero name recognition, and zero party support. He was down at least 60 points in the polls. Now he's a household name, he's raising tens of millions of dollars per month for his campaign, he has earned roughly as many pledged delegates as HILLARY CLINTON, and all empirical evidence points to him being a superior candidate vs. Trump.
If you think this indicates anything other than sheer political genius, you're absolutely nuts.
If you think this indicates anything other than sheer political genius, you're absolutely nuts.
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Weaver has been a Sanders minion since the 80s. The guy is more of a true believer than Sanders -- potentially v dangerous, IMO. And regardless, he doesn't help Sanders's campaign one whit as a talking head on TV news programmes.
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You better be concerned. The DNC and Team Clinton have disparaged Bernie's candidacy since day 1 and now they have the gall to insist we all back Hillary in the general election? Ha ha, fat chance of that happening. Think about it. She's got 13 million votes, he's accrued 10 million (and that leaves out all the Independents who weren't able to support him). She has a very good chance of losing in November and it will all be down to her contempt of his candidacy.
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Check out PolitiFact: on this:
Wasserman Schultz's Debate Claims "False."
Try googling her as "corrupt" and as "liar."
Wasserman Schultz's Debate Claims "False."
Try googling her as "corrupt" and as "liar."
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(Why is it that BroBots look to google as the be-all end-all of research? They do a cursory search, use only those hits which support their POV, and act as if they're Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists.)
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Monica,
I notice you don't argue Darts claim. Nor his facts, nor his source.
The truth hurts doesn't it Monica. But only to those who deal in lies.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/20/debbie-wasserma...
Shall we get into the 3 million more voters misstatement?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/debunking-hillarys-specio_b_99723...
How about the latest propaganda mistruth. The NV convention.
Delegates blocked. Votes stolen. Mic's turned off.
Oh, yeah, there is and was NO violence. Another lie.
Only a male Hillary supporter was arrested in Atlanta for hitting a Sanders woman in the head. Truth hurts sometimes huh, Monica.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVa4G32M7Bc
http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-vid...
I notice you don't argue Darts claim. Nor his facts, nor his source.
The truth hurts doesn't it Monica. But only to those who deal in lies.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/20/debbie-wasserma...
Shall we get into the 3 million more voters misstatement?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/debunking-hillarys-specio_b_99723...
How about the latest propaganda mistruth. The NV convention.
Delegates blocked. Votes stolen. Mic's turned off.
Oh, yeah, there is and was NO violence. Another lie.
Only a male Hillary supporter was arrested in Atlanta for hitting a Sanders woman in the head. Truth hurts sometimes huh, Monica.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVa4G32M7Bc
http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-vid...
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A rather high-profile Hillary supporter at that, yet most of the media is suspiciously silent on it.
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So it's "Apree moi, le deluge." So crazy Bernie supporters are not responsible for the consequences of their actions but the responsibility falls on those who do roll over and give them their way. Typical spoiled child behavior.
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Sadly, any glimmer of respect I had for Senator Sanders is long gone. His advisors are advising poorly, but are making buckets of money so of course they don't want the campaign to end. Mr. Weaver will have to go back to his comic book store, which by the way, speaks volumes. I think Bernie has jumped the shark and it's difficult to watch.
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What do you have against small business owners? Comic book store, coffee shop, local news publisher. They are respectable endeavors and teach much about how to survive in our modern economy.
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It's the advice he's giving Sanders, and the casual way he minimized the threats of violence from Sanders' supporters toward Ms. Lange in Nevada. "We know where your grandchildren go to school" --- really, Weaver is not doing Bernie any favors by brushing that off as nothing.
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Nothing at all. I'm making a correlation with the fact that the comic book industry skews to men and boys. Mr. Weaver shifted the campaign to attack mode against Hillary and still encourages Bernie to do so, so his background doesn't surprise me. This from 538: "To say the comic book industry has a slight gender skew is like saying Superman is kind of strong. Comic books — much like the film industry they now fuel — vastly under-represent women. The people who write comic books, particularly for major publishers, are overwhelmingly men. The artists who draw them are, too. The characters within them are also disproportionately men, as are the new characters introduced each year." Not a lot of room for women here.
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"The prospect of a drawn-out Democratic fight is deeply troubling to party leaders who are eager for Mrs. Clinton and House and Senate candidates to turn to attacking Mr. Trump without being diverted by Democratic strife."
These are the same "party leaders" -- be they Democrat or Republican -- who have given us HRC and Trump -- the two most disliked politicians in recent years -- as the de facto nominees. Some leadership.
I support Bernie. He has courage and character, and a vision for the country that both Hillary and Trump profoundly lack.
These are the same "party leaders" -- be they Democrat or Republican -- who have given us HRC and Trump -- the two most disliked politicians in recent years -- as the de facto nominees. Some leadership.
I support Bernie. He has courage and character, and a vision for the country that both Hillary and Trump profoundly lack.
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Bernie has tarnished his own character with baseless attacks on Hillary, and giving a weak, vague response to his supporters' threats in Nevada. Sorry, but he's lost his moral compass and his judgement has slipped.
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Also sorry, but it's difficult to see "moral compass" and the Clintons in the same sentence.
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Bernie can hold his head high. He owes Hillary nothing. His message is resonating and Hillary is struggling to find her footing. If she loses to Trump it's because she failed to connect with a lot of disaffected voters.
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As a staunch non-Republican, I don't think I could forgive Bernie if he is the cause of Trump's becoming President.
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If Trump becomes President, take your grievance to the DNC, not to Sen. Sanders, who polls far ahead of Clinton in a race against Trump. Sanders won't be the cause, and he won't need your forgiveness.
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Oh, I'll be donating to whichever Democrat runs against Sanders if he runs for Senate again. I'll phone bank too.
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Curious,
Is the Times Public Editor planning to do a review, and it warranted, issue a correction(s) to Ms. Alcindor's highly dubious depiction of the facts regarding the Nevada Democratic Party convention in her piece that appeared in the Times on 5/18. "Chairs Fly in Nevada"! Is factual accuracy too much to ask for from the Times, or are we back to the era of "aluminum tubes".
Is the Times Public Editor planning to do a review, and it warranted, issue a correction(s) to Ms. Alcindor's highly dubious depiction of the facts regarding the Nevada Democratic Party convention in her piece that appeared in the Times on 5/18. "Chairs Fly in Nevada"! Is factual accuracy too much to ask for from the Times, or are we back to the era of "aluminum tubes".
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There is currently no public editor. The public editor went to the Washington Post.
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Elizabeth Spayd has been named public editor as of Tuesday
There's video. Factual enough for you?
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Bernie and Co. need to get real - Trump could win if they don't help Hillary. The demagoguery by Bernie is astounding - and he supposes he can effect way more change than is possible for anyone. Bernie, you're not so great after all. So be human - think ahead of the good of the country - it's not about you or your agenda anymore. It is really about, "Are you going to let the crazy Republicans and their Insane nominee run away with this election?"
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I have asked her to either write a retraction or write an article with the correct facts and the reasons why Sanders supporters were irate.
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Hillary is strongest in southern states with large black populations voting as a block to support Hillary, but these are states that will ultimately vote Republican anyway. These states are very important, and Bernie must commit himself to serving these states as much as any other if elected, but for purposes of getting elected what is most important is the swing states that have been supporting Sanders, not Mississippi, Arkansas, the Carolinas, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Louisiana.
The Democratic Party should unite behind the candidate who both does well enough in California, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Illinois to defeat Hillary there, as well as having overwhelming support in Wisconsin, Arizona, Oregon, and other states likely to go Democrat in the general election. The Democratic Party should NOT unite behind a candidate whose primary strength is in states destined to vote Reoublican- that is the height of stupidity.
The Democratic Party should unite behind the candidate who both does well enough in California, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Illinois to defeat Hillary there, as well as having overwhelming support in Wisconsin, Arizona, Oregon, and other states likely to go Democrat in the general election. The Democratic Party should NOT unite behind a candidate whose primary strength is in states destined to vote Reoublican- that is the height of stupidity.
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"your kids won't turn out in big numbers to defeat the Donald..." That's not what the polls are showing, kids or no kids. Independents are overwhelmingly for Bernie.
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As a life long independent, I respectfully disagree. Bernie's behavior in the last couple of months does him no favors. I won't be voting for him.
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Let's see, as I am writing this comment, Rasmussen (via the Drudge Report) has Trump 5 points ahead of Clinton. Poll information provided on the O'Reilly Factor last night showed Hillary losing to Trump, but Sanders overwhelming beating Trump. So yeah, I support Sanders harming Clinton in the homestretch. Feel the Bern!
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Oh my god. Look at the source for the polls. Rasmussen and O'Reilly. What's a Sanders supporter doing spending so much time in the enemy camp? I'd put money down that you are a Republican trying to prop up the Sanders campaign in the hope it will keep your guy from being trounced in November.
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Like Trump, I think Bernie has let the big crowds go to his head. He's become full of himself, which just isn't all that revolutionary. He's certainly right about the rise of inequality in the US, something that is replicated around the world, but he's losing a lot of people who initially supported him like me.
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If HRC and House & Senate candidates can't attack Mr. Trump while they're being diverted by the Sanders campaign, I have serious doubts about their competency. It seems like Trump's got 3-5 front page news stories a day, dominating the news cycle. We're to believe that HRC can't talk about Trump on the same day that she argues that Democrats should prefer her to Sanders? If so, that's pathetic.
If HRC wants to win in November, she's got to be able to withstand a challenge from the left. Engaging with the left is the only way she can possibly earn their support in November anyway. Telling them to sit down, shut up, and stop trying to address economic inequality and corruption is a sure fire way to make them stay home in November.
If HRC wants to win in November, she's got to be able to withstand a challenge from the left. Engaging with the left is the only way she can possibly earn their support in November anyway. Telling them to sit down, shut up, and stop trying to address economic inequality and corruption is a sure fire way to make them stay home in November.
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If the "Left" had any brains, they'd be trying to talk some sense into Bernie. What exactly does he think will happen to his "vision" if Trump wins?
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Please cite the source and date of the quote you refer to from Secretary Clinton -- telling Sanders supporters to "sit down and shut up."
I missed that and if she said that, she loses my vote.
But we both know -- Sam, my fellow Nutmegger -- that she never said anything like that, and it's demeaning to you to make up something like that.
I missed that and if she said that, she loses my vote.
But we both know -- Sam, my fellow Nutmegger -- that she never said anything like that, and it's demeaning to you to make up something like that.
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I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I will try to dismantle propaganda regardless of where it comes from. She didn't say it, Bill Clinton did, to a Marine who is a Sander's supporter, at a campaign appearance in February, 2016.
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"...was not devoted to achieving Democratic unity."
Good. He shouldn't be. Nobody should aspire to Party Unity over the good of the country. What our country needs is a major disruption of the current political system. If that means a chaotic convention *grasps pearls* or a divided party, then so be it. This is too important to let something as drivelous as an orderly convention get in its way. Keep on fighting, Bernie. It's not over. He hasn't been defeated. Let's revisit all of this AFTER the convention when the fat lady/man will finally sing.
Good. He shouldn't be. Nobody should aspire to Party Unity over the good of the country. What our country needs is a major disruption of the current political system. If that means a chaotic convention *grasps pearls* or a divided party, then so be it. This is too important to let something as drivelous as an orderly convention get in its way. Keep on fighting, Bernie. It's not over. He hasn't been defeated. Let's revisit all of this AFTER the convention when the fat lady/man will finally sing.
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It's all over but the crying. Unless Sanders continues to be stiffnecked after June 7 and we ALL suffer by getting Trump.
You want a revolution? Then get involved with the party at the local level, run for a city or school council position, and for God's sakes vote in midterm elections. A revolution is not effective if you only wake up every four years to annoint a messiah who speaks lovely rhetoric.
You want a revolution? Then get involved with the party at the local level, run for a city or school council position, and for God's sakes vote in midterm elections. A revolution is not effective if you only wake up every four years to annoint a messiah who speaks lovely rhetoric.
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Bullfeathers NYT. The DNC and their media friends (such as the NYT) rigged the primary election for Hillary, remember calling the Iowa primary for her before the vote was counted, the convoluted debate schedule, her ongoing legal issues with her server, etc.? What goes around comes around.
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I understand the attraction Bernie has for the college-aged. I was at UofC at the same time he was and I recognize his passion. Bernie isn't an old man. He's a 1960's college radical in an old man's body. And I don't say that as a complement. College is when you think you know everything. It isn't until latter in life you learn you didn't.
College is also when you may think "corporate greed" is a redundancy, without understanding that corporations are what make your college possible - not because they endow professors' chairs and build your classrooms, but because your college *is* a corporation, as is Planned Parenthood, for that matter.
College is when railing against "the 1%" makes you feel good. Later in life, you learn that it's members of the 1% who'll care for you during your most serious illnesses. It's the 1% who design your cell phones and laptops, and create the social media on which you rail against them. And it's the 1% who show up as the celebrity attractions at your rallies.
Oh, for the college days, when life appeared to be so simple. But as one grows older, one learns it isn't. It's full of choices and trade-offs. Bernie wants to help pay for your college, but imagine what that money would buy if, instead, it were used to help educate those who'll never get a sufficient education to prepare them for college.
And that's why I'm voting for Hillary.
College is also when you may think "corporate greed" is a redundancy, without understanding that corporations are what make your college possible - not because they endow professors' chairs and build your classrooms, but because your college *is* a corporation, as is Planned Parenthood, for that matter.
College is when railing against "the 1%" makes you feel good. Later in life, you learn that it's members of the 1% who'll care for you during your most serious illnesses. It's the 1% who design your cell phones and laptops, and create the social media on which you rail against them. And it's the 1% who show up as the celebrity attractions at your rallies.
Oh, for the college days, when life appeared to be so simple. But as one grows older, one learns it isn't. It's full of choices and trade-offs. Bernie wants to help pay for your college, but imagine what that money would buy if, instead, it were used to help educate those who'll never get a sufficient education to prepare them for college.
And that's why I'm voting for Hillary.
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It's the 1% percent who helped crash the whole economy.
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No. It's not. It's certainly a part of the one percent that works in the finance business that helped crash the economy. But blaming "the 1%", generally, for the crash is really no different that saying the undocumented immigrants are rapists, murderers and drug runners - blaming all for the sins of a few.
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You clearly don't understand that there are many, many non-college-aged Bernie supporters.
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"Sanders wresting the nomination from Clinton" would be the best thing for everyone. He's far more popular than Clinton (and FAR more popular than Trump), not to mention that unlike Clinton, he isn't a corporatist, PATRIOT-act loving, warmongering, drug-war pushing, business-as-usual politician. Sanders cares about us; Clinton cares about money - just another rich person, pushing the agenda of the rich and powerful further along at everyone else's expense. I'm voting Sanders in November - not only because he's the best choice, but because Clinton is (bad) business as usual, and that needs to end. And if that helps get Trump elected? Well, Trump will no doubt make a complete mess of things at the executive level in a completely new way if elected, the man is a buffoon, but you know what? Things are already a complete mess. Maybe it'll wake up the people. I doubt it. But the current (very bad) situation hasn't done it, so it's worth a try. And perhaps -- just perhaps -- Sanders will run independent after his experience with the corrupt party process. In that case, I definitely expect him to win. If he throws in the towel because the party process was rigged, then we'll probably end up with Trump. And you know what? We'll deserve it.
Those of us who keep electing the rich, and then are unhappy when the laws and policies remain focused on benefiting the rich... they're responsible for the mess we're in. That'd be most of you reading this.
Those of us who keep electing the rich, and then are unhappy when the laws and policies remain focused on benefiting the rich... they're responsible for the mess we're in. That'd be most of you reading this.
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@Ben - If Bernie runs as an independent --- which I doubt, because he chose not to in the first place -- he will be responsible for giving the election to Donald Trump.
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DNC insiders say that Wasserman-Schultz should relent and give Sanders' people a fair amount of seats on committees. Polls are showing that Sanders beats Trump by a higher margin than Clinton. Polls also show Clinton falling in the polls for many reasons. The DNC is partially responsible for the revolt against Hillary for many reasons. Bernie's agenda is exactly what the Democratic party stood for before big money got involved. No one paid attention to Bernie and now they will have with the revolution that will not go away!
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You pay too much attention to polls. They're not all that accurate.
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If "polls" are not that accurate, then why should you comment in the first place?
I think you and quite a few are whistling as you pass the graveyard at night.
I think you and quite a few are whistling as you pass the graveyard at night.
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The choice: Mien Trumpf or The Clintonistas. Both want Bernie Sanders to quit voicing his opinion while California is forced to choose between the two groups of multi-million dollar packs funded by Lord knows who. Why would the two political machines be so intent to prevent anyone who wishes to speak out during a campaign for elected office? Isn't that our process? Isn't that democracy? Or is it "machinery"?
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Curious that suddenly thousands of responses are allowed on this article. Can't help but wonder.
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OMG -- the Bernie people whine when comments are closed, and now you see a conspiracy because they are left open.
Does NOTHING satisfy you?
Does NOTHING satisfy you?
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C: To your observation that the NYT is allowing thousands of responses to this article and wondering why, I'm done wondering. The NYT clearly has an agenda in this primary season and it's not to provide journalism. I wonder what people and money are behind the changes toward bias in the NYT.
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I have been wondering about the same!!!! I don't recall ever seeing 6000 plus comments- and their tone is unlike anything I have ever read before on a thread in the NYT. It is all very fishy, frankly. Equally puzzling is the fact that regular Bernie commenters seem to have been excluded. There is something deliberate going on here, starting with this mean-spirited headline and misrepresentations by Healy, Alcindor and Peters. Mind boggling.
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About as flagrantly slanted an article I've seen by the NYT on this story. Senator Sanders is not trying to "harm" Hil;lary Clinton, he's trying to transformthe existing "business as usual" (including Big Business) Democratic Party, to return it to its proper role as the party of working people, not the party of billiionaires buying influence with their big contributions.
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Glad to hear that he's not trying to harm her! Fantastic news!
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If you take away Hillary's 500-superdelegate lead then it really is a close race between her and Bernie Sanders. Only about 200 pledged delegates separate them, and with 475 pledged delegates up for grabs in California anything can still happen. I think that's what motivates his supporters, isn't it -- that the insiders in Washington, the group that all those superdelegates represent, are corrupt beyond repair.
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She is 280 pledged delegates ahead. Bernie needs, without supers in the mix, 98% of the remaining delegates, she needs about 16%.
But of course supers do exist, and Bernie can't get there without them.
And Hillary needs 79 more delegates to seal the deal.
But of course supers do exist, and Bernie can't get there without them.
And Hillary needs 79 more delegates to seal the deal.
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There was no "melee" at the Nevada democratic convention, there was yelling, that was it. At least the coverage is starting to come closer to what happened. The Sanders campaign is not apologizing because there is nothing to apologize for. I know this because I was there.
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@John Solomon - You need to get a perspective on that in my opinion. Yelling that everything is rigged just because you lose is childish. Also, threats of violence against Ms. Lange and her grandchildren by Sanders' supporters is not a small matter, and I hope those calls/texts are investigated.
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How about the fictitious "flying chairs" spread by pro-Clinton people, including the NY Times?
Clinton supporters seem to like Trump's use of slander and fiction as a political tool.
Clinton supporters seem to like Trump's use of slander and fiction as a political tool.
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Clinton has played fair up to this point. We all know that if Sanders were to go up against Trump he would face a brutal barrage of negativity addressing truths or speculations about him that Hillary Clinton did not include in her campaign.
If Sanders wants to take off the gloves then Hillary Clinton should too. Sanders will get what he has coming and will not like the outcome.
If Sanders wants to take off the gloves then Hillary Clinton should too. Sanders will get what he has coming and will not like the outcome.
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Great, then finally the email scandal and Benghazi will be fair game!
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You think something that is already "fair game" and has been investigated seven times is going to help your guy? Trey Gowdy has been reduced to trying to subpoena random posters at Facebook. He looks ridiculous, as does everyone still flogging that dead horse.
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The Times has not been afraid of besmirching Mr. Sanders since the beginning of the campaign... and Hillary and bill (her economic advisor-- the one who deregulated Wall St. and caused recession, eliminated the luxury tax of GHB, and did lots of things to disenfranchise many citizens -- while Hilary truly demonstrated soiidarity and sisterhood with the women her husband abused...at the very least she could have slapped him publically or issued a statement that she did not approve of his behaviours -- and that he needed help1). Bernie is just playing the game.. It's not over until the ninth inning y'all... Don't you know any of the rules, editors and writers... You all helped the Donald big time while you riticizing Sander's all the time and continue to do so.. Make up your minds.. and just declare already that you are Republicans and in favor of free market and a dog eat dog world and be done with it.
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I've often said I'd have some respect for her if she'd thrown all his stuff out on the WH lawn, instead of gritting her teeth and clinging ever more tightly to those now rapidly fraying coattails.
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Interesting to see all these "recovering Bernie voters" posting here and all basically saying the same thing. Looks like Hillary's astroturfing machine is going great guns.
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Another conspiracy theory.
When did Bernie supporters start taking lessons from the Tea Party?
When did Bernie supporters start taking lessons from the Tea Party?
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Every article like this moves me closer to the fence between those voting for Clinton to avoid Trump and the Bernie or Bust people.
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As a Californian, I'd like my vote to count.
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It will count.
It just may not mean that it magically makes your candidate win.
In every campaign there is one winner, and there are losers.
That seems to be the concept that Sanders supporters don't grasp, or accept.
If he doesn't get more votes than Hillary, he will lose.
And so far, he's about three million actual votes and 200 pledged delegates behind her.
That doesn't mean the millions who already voted for him don't count. It just means they lost.
And the inference that seems to say even if he doesn't get more votes, he should get the nomination anyway, is childish.
I voted for Hillary -- three million of us more than Bernie voters. So if she is not nominated, then our votes won't count either.
It just may not mean that it magically makes your candidate win.
In every campaign there is one winner, and there are losers.
That seems to be the concept that Sanders supporters don't grasp, or accept.
If he doesn't get more votes than Hillary, he will lose.
And so far, he's about three million actual votes and 200 pledged delegates behind her.
That doesn't mean the millions who already voted for him don't count. It just means they lost.
And the inference that seems to say even if he doesn't get more votes, he should get the nomination anyway, is childish.
I voted for Hillary -- three million of us more than Bernie voters. So if she is not nominated, then our votes won't count either.
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I don't expect that my vote alone will "magically" make my candidate win. I just want the opportunity to cast it without being told the primary election is already decided, decided by many states who tend to vote republican in the general election. I realize Clinton won some swing states, but so has Sanders. Also, the votes of people who caucus are not included in the individual vote totals, so please stop going on about the three million actual votes Clinton has over Sanders. Let every state hold a primary without whining about your candidate having to face a popular opponent. That "three million" vote difference may shrink considerably when all the votes are counted. My state has not held its primary election yet. I want to cast a vote for the candidate I prefer before newspapers like the NYTimes tell me the outcome has already been decided - it has not, but saying so could influence people's votes or their interest in showing up to the polls and that is not okay in my opinion.
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For months the corporate media has either ignored Bernie or reported on him in the context of horse-race type coverage (i.e. strategies on delegates and lack of odds of catching up to Hillary). Rarely were his positions elaborated upon. Rarely would the pundits reflect upon the phenomena of his success financed solely by ordinary folks. Now, that was a story. Now that they can smear him by using inflammatory language like "violent supporters," he is all over the place. Why don't you report on exactly what happened in Nevada and what caused his delegates to become angry? I am getting so frustrated by your biased coverage that not only am I considering cancelling my subscription, I'm feeling like throwing chairs!
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Bernie Sanders has the right to seek the nomination. His message is resonating with millions of newly registered democrats and he also has the support of millions of independents who make up about 45 % of the electorate. The Democratic establishment should stop whining, start paying attention to the latest polls. If you insist on promoting Hillary Clinton as the democratic nominee then you do so at your own peril.
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@Maree - If you think that independents actually make up 45% of the voting public, you're getting bad information.
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I don't know why you think the millions of "newly registered democrats" should somehow outweigh the millions more of us registered Democrats of long-standing, who have been supporting progressive goals all our adult lives. Energy and idealism are valuable, but races are won over and over, year in and year out, by the plodders who understand the terms, know the limits, exploit the opportunities, and face facts.
Hillary has beaten Sanders. Her lead in primary voters and super delegates is insurmountable. Whining and trying to claim the idealistic high ground over people who have been working for decades to make this country a better, fairer, more egalitarian place is offensive to say the least.
Hillary has beaten Sanders. Her lead in primary voters and super delegates is insurmountable. Whining and trying to claim the idealistic high ground over people who have been working for decades to make this country a better, fairer, more egalitarian place is offensive to say the least.
One question should be asked of Bernie Sanders:
If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee for president will you unequivocally and actively support her, and work with your followers to do all that you can to make sure that she defeats Donald Trump?
YES OR NO?
If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee for president will you unequivocally and actively support her, and work with your followers to do all that you can to make sure that she defeats Donald Trump?
YES OR NO?
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Obviously, I'm not the only one thinking this, but how can you have a true revolution without a melee or two? And we are talking a real revolution. If Sanders is elected President and the Demos reclaim Congress, it's good-bye health insurance companies! And that's big, with bigger things to follow, such as collective bargaining on Rx prices. It would not surprise me if some of the elites started a melee or two, just to make Mr Sanders look bad.
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Let's shut down health insurers, Wall Street, big banks . . . . for a start.
We NEED more unemployed white collar workers who pay taxes to feds, states and school districts.
We NEED people out of work.
In fact, let's close down ALL corporations.
And put everyone out of work.
What a strategy!!
We NEED more unemployed white collar workers who pay taxes to feds, states and school districts.
We NEED people out of work.
In fact, let's close down ALL corporations.
And put everyone out of work.
What a strategy!!
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I'm with you on the health insurers. Let them find honest work, like picking up trash or cleaning off graffiti or something.
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And just how will Donald Trump thank Bernie Sanders for ensuring that Trump wins the election? A box of very classy Trump steaks? A case of the very best Trump wine? A gross of the finest made-in-China "Make America Great Again" hats? A weekend at the Florida stucco palace named Mar-a-Lago--don't forget your tennis whites and bathing suit, Bernie!
Getting Trump elected would seem the greater betrayal of Bernie's principles, which apparently have flown out the window, than ceding to Hillary Clinton. I guess Bernie Sanders has feet of clay after all.
Getting Trump elected would seem the greater betrayal of Bernie's principles, which apparently have flown out the window, than ceding to Hillary Clinton. I guess Bernie Sanders has feet of clay after all.
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Both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump are acceptable to the powers that be, although they prefer Mrs. Clinton as a first choice. Mr. Sanders, on the other hand, is found to be unacceptable and, therefore is opposed by the establishment, the DNC, the Media etc. etc.
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Trump or Clinton...Clinton or Trump. Economically, their policies are likely going to end up being pretty darn similar. They are both rich, NYC elites who will do whatever the Wall Street bosses ask of them.
Sure, Trump isn't a "liberal" like Clinton claims to be - but he isn't a right-wing conservative like many Democrats are trying to make him out to be.
Just because Trump's a chauvinistic pig does not make him a Republican. He's not going to suddenly declare himself "President-for-Life." The Republicans in Congress won't let that happen.
Just because Clinton is pro-choice doesn't make her a Democrat either. Although I don't see the world coming to an end if she's elected President.
Trump or Clinton...Clinton or Trump. Let's just elect one of them and then in 4 years hopefully get a real choice.
Sure, Trump isn't a "liberal" like Clinton claims to be - but he isn't a right-wing conservative like many Democrats are trying to make him out to be.
Just because Trump's a chauvinistic pig does not make him a Republican. He's not going to suddenly declare himself "President-for-Life." The Republicans in Congress won't let that happen.
Just because Clinton is pro-choice doesn't make her a Democrat either. Although I don't see the world coming to an end if she's elected President.
Trump or Clinton...Clinton or Trump. Let's just elect one of them and then in 4 years hopefully get a real choice.
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Trump is promising wars with Mexico and China, and hinting at another war with Vietnam.
He also flat out lied through his teeth for six months straight about being self funding and not having a Super PAC. He claims he is a great businessman but won't let us see his financials.
He's a fraud. His own supporters admit he's a con-artist. His supporters !
He also admitted to bribing his Republican opponents - no wonder they didn't bother going after him until the race was over.
He also flat out lied through his teeth for six months straight about being self funding and not having a Super PAC. He claims he is a great businessman but won't let us see his financials.
He's a fraud. His own supporters admit he's a con-artist. His supporters !
He also admitted to bribing his Republican opponents - no wonder they didn't bother going after him until the race was over.
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Compare your claims with the reality of Clinton as Secretary of State and the strife she has promoted in Libya, resulting chaos, violence and weapons being spread beyond Libya's borders. Her support of the Afghan surge, intervention in Libya, the Iraq War, and sending arms to the Syrian rebels is a reality and not mere conjecture as you promote.
I worry more about her ascent than Trump's.
I worry more about her ascent than Trump's.
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Mr. Sanders' statement that the party can choose between being “dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy” or “welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change.” is a not a mutually exclusive choice. Muddy, Muddy: One can be dependent on big money and be a party of limited participation AND ALSO welcome people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change.
It is fuzzy statements like this that confuse the dialog. What is he talking about? Mostly, he's just phrase-dropping.
It is fuzzy statements like this that confuse the dialog. What is he talking about? Mostly, he's just phrase-dropping.
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"For weeks, some current and former Sanders campaign workers have privately acknowledged feeling disheartened about Mr. Weaver’s determination to go after the Democratic National Committee"
How much do you want to bet these quotes are completely made up? Times is so pro-Clinton and pro-Establishment it would be hilarious if it weren't so shortsighted.
How much do you want to bet these quotes are completely made up? Times is so pro-Clinton and pro-Establishment it would be hilarious if it weren't so shortsighted.
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It comes down to two simple questions:
1) who got more votes?
2) Does Bernie remember how Ralph Nader's his self-centered spoiler run allowed George W. to be elected and therefore led to the Iraq War, ISIS, and Citizens United?
Bernie, this aint about you. It may well be about the future of mankind.
1) who got more votes?
2) Does Bernie remember how Ralph Nader's his self-centered spoiler run allowed George W. to be elected and therefore led to the Iraq War, ISIS, and Citizens United?
Bernie, this aint about you. It may well be about the future of mankind.
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Apparently the nominee should be determined by whose campaign is telling the truth about the chairs.
And whoever the Times backs, vote for the other guy because the Times are evil, so the other guy must be good.
And whoever the Times backs, vote for the other guy because the Times are evil, so the other guy must be good.
Hi fran. So today you're the incarnation who doesn't write in all lower case letters and ungrammatical sentences? Or the one who started out as a Bernie supporter but sadly was forced to change her mind?
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Anyone who listened to the first hour of Thom Hartmann's radio show yesterday learned the truth about what happened at the Nevada concention last Saturday. It's quite different from what's being put out there to the public, and it's yet another example of how the Democratic leadership is doing everything it can to eliminate Sanders. Do a search for Nina Turner Nevada if you're interested in knowing the truth. Whether one likes him or not, as a candidate, Sanders has every right to remain in the race until the convention, especially since Clinton has not blown him out of the water with pledged delegates. Let it be decided at the convention. It won't be the first time that has happened, and it won't be the end of the world if it does happen. Stop coddling Clinton; she is not a weak woman in need of protection. There are two strong candidates running, so let them run, and we'll see who wins at the convention. Note to NYT: Your misleading, inflammatory headline for this article makes you sound like a tabloid. I expect better from you.
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Clinton and the DNC have harmed Sanders along the way and prevented him from having a fair race for the nomination. Clinton has been ahead in the delegate count from the beginning due to the rigged superdelegate system and many voters including my 21 year old son have been shut out of he primaries because they did not change their party affiliations 6 months in advance. This has not been a fair election and your biased headlines and reporting are part of it!
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Just because your son didn't bother to pay attention to voting regulations in your state doesn't mean it's unfair. It means your son needs to pay closer attention to the rules in your state.
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I donated to Bernie Sanders when he first got underway, and intended to vote for him in the primary. But in the last few weeks, his strategy and rhetoric, and particularly his failure to condemn the crazy behavior of his fans in Nevada, made me change my mind. I voted for Hillary. I want a sane, rational, measured leader, thank you very much. If I want crazy, I'll go all the way and vote for Trump. Bernie needs to think carefully about what will happen to this country if he sets us up for a Trump win. The stakes are bigger than his personal agenda.
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Speaking as a boomer who remembered it well, Berni Sanders is he ultimate "baby boomer". If I don't get what I want, I'm going to "stick it to the man ".
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I appreciate what Bernie has done for the race but he is making it really hard to like him right now. Hillary needs 90 more delegates right now and may have them before they even get to California so why he and his wife does not back out gracefully and go home and get some rest which being 74-75 years old he needs after months of yelling and promising lies to his supporters. He speaks of the establishment in his speeches but if he was to speak the truth being in Washington for the past 30-40 years makes him part of that same establishment. You never heard of Bernie Sanders until this race because he was never known for doing anything. He appears to be in it for the money now and not for the people. That is what he has accused Hillary of but he fails to say she was not employed by the government when the speeches were given so I am not really sure they would even matter. Did he ever give more than 1 year of his taxes?? He really seems like a hypercrite to me right now. This is coming from a 65 year old woman and a proud Hillary supporter.
Patsy D White TEXAS
Patsy D White TEXAS
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I used to be a Bernie supporter....
I love Bernie but...
I donated to Bernie but now...
This comment section is absurd. The vast majority seem to be taken straight out of a play book - Social manipulation 101. Hopefully people don't fall for this blatant engineering.
I love Bernie but...
I donated to Bernie but now...
This comment section is absurd. The vast majority seem to be taken straight out of a play book - Social manipulation 101. Hopefully people don't fall for this blatant engineering.
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After 10 months of reading "I'm a minority woman who voted for Obama twice, but I can't support Hillary because of the e-mails and all those scandals, so I'm voting Trump", now you know what it feels like.
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Why - is it so hard to believe that people change their minds? Especially as it's becoming more and more obvious that Bernie Sanders is not a saint but, gasp, a politician?
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Exactly! Comments all produced by the same mold. Completely absurd and out of sync with what is usually posted here re. Bernie Sanders. Readers who post regularly and who complain about the continuous unfair NYT treatment of the Sanders candidacy- names that are familiar to me- not here.
What is also absurd is the fact that Bernie supporters are not naive, they are extremely loyal and it is preposterous to even imagine they would turn away from him and suddenly favor Hillary because of this tendentious patently ill-meaning piece in the NYT.
What is also absurd is the fact that Bernie supporters are not naive, they are extremely loyal and it is preposterous to even imagine they would turn away from him and suddenly favor Hillary because of this tendentious patently ill-meaning piece in the NYT.
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A real, sustainable revolution must further the greater good of all of us. Promoting hate, antagonism, division won't do. Your moment is now Sanders. Don't be toxic. Think about creating a legacy that will endure, and act accordingly. I hope you do so.
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NYT, good to see an article completely about Sanders,even though it's a negative one. Hillary Clinton's surrogates have been complaining way before this about Sanders harming her. They have viewed him bringing up about her Goldman Sachs speeches as "character attacks". No, it's just a fact she gave the speeches and many view her as being bought and paid for.
The Deomcratic establishment fails to understand the amount of anger in ordinary Americans. The younger generation will continue to move towards bold ideas as things get worse in the U.S, not the incrementalism approach which Hillary speaks of. People are beyond tired of the status quo in this country which is why Sanders has so much support.
The Deomcratic establishment fails to understand the amount of anger in ordinary Americans. The younger generation will continue to move towards bold ideas as things get worse in the U.S, not the incrementalism approach which Hillary speaks of. People are beyond tired of the status quo in this country which is why Sanders has so much support.
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I know, infinity. When did telling the truth about someone become "character attacks"? She's been besmirching her own character for her entire career. No outside help required.
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I was at the rally in Dominguez. I have never seen Sanders as fired up as he was that night. Anyone who thinks he will sell out his beliefs and go quietly into the night is mistaken.
It is not Sanders job to cover for the Nevada Democrats Disenfranchisement, rules or no rules. Thats up to Reid and the Nevada camp.
This isnt about Sanders taking the White House. Its about something much bigger, its about having conversations relevant to the majority. I think that when you have a rally designed for 8000 people and there are 11000 more outside watching on jumbotrons there is something this man is saying that should be heard (and supported) in Philly.
It is not Sanders job to cover for the Nevada Democrats Disenfranchisement, rules or no rules. Thats up to Reid and the Nevada camp.
This isnt about Sanders taking the White House. Its about something much bigger, its about having conversations relevant to the majority. I think that when you have a rally designed for 8000 people and there are 11000 more outside watching on jumbotrons there is something this man is saying that should be heard (and supported) in Philly.
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Bernie, you have stayed too long at the fair. Take your mob and go. If Donald Trump is elected president, history will not view you well. Also consider the future Supreme Court nominees. All conservatives on the court will endanger the progressive future of the United States.
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Don't worry, we will be happy to go (and vote for someone who passes our "smell" test) and I'm sure when HRC loses all you HRC supporters will blame us for not supporting your candidate. Then we'll see what petulance means.
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Judging by the comments - the only thing Hillary supporters hate more than Donald Trump is democracy.
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@That Oded - Okay, that's just a bigoted remark, making a sweeping generalization about 13,000,000 people who voted for Hillary in the primaries so far.
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The only way to change the parties and our government is to vote Sanders or Trump.
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We have the strongest economy among the western democracies right now. Millions more people have health care than had it 8 years ago. So I'm pretty ok with not having an all out-revolution. I just want higher taxes on those who can afford it, and a far better auditing system to ensure our tax dollars are well-spent.
Changing the president, as should be abundantly clear by now, doesn't change the parties. If you want to change the parties, you have to vote in the mid-terms. You have to show up and get your party a majority in both houses of Congress.
Changing the president, as should be abundantly clear by now, doesn't change the parties. If you want to change the parties, you have to vote in the mid-terms. You have to show up and get your party a majority in both houses of Congress.
And we have the most expensive health care among western democracies, in exchange for which we get mediocre outcomes, Deborah. We're also the only country on the planet that permits drug companies to advertise. I'm pretty sure we're somewhere down the list for infant morality rates too.
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Is it any wonder why we can't get decent people to run for public office? Look at the vitriol on here directed at Sen. Sanders, some of it doubtless from hired trolls. People get the government they deserve.
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I am inferring that when Senator Sanders attempted to enroll in the Dale Carnegie course How to Win Friends and Influence People, the course must already must have been filled.
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If that is the case, it is likely Clinton missed out on Ethics in Public Administration.
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Bernie Sanders is leading in the polls regarding the general election. The DNC delegates are just a political technicality that stops having significance in July. In that sense, it is Hillary that is undermining Sander's chances of beating Trump. Hillary is not the candidate to put in the general election. See the polls : http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
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I just looked at your polls. Bernie is only leading in the polls by Rasmussen and Fox.
"After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model."
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Let's be clear. There are many impassioned Bernie supporters on this thread. And let's be honest. There are also an awful lot of Republicans here trying to weaken the Democratic candidate for the upcoming general election against Candidate Buffoon. Citing Rasmussen or Fox polls is a pretty good indicator of who is posting. The CBS/NY Times polls show both Sanders and Clinton defeating Trump.
"After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model."
Wiki
Let's be clear. There are many impassioned Bernie supporters on this thread. And let's be honest. There are also an awful lot of Republicans here trying to weaken the Democratic candidate for the upcoming general election against Candidate Buffoon. Citing Rasmussen or Fox polls is a pretty good indicator of who is posting. The CBS/NY Times polls show both Sanders and Clinton defeating Trump.
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What's the difference between a Bernie supporter and a Clinton supporter?
The Clintonistas have a 401k.
Even NYT liberals are conservatives now!
The Clintonistas have a 401k.
Even NYT liberals are conservatives now!
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Most working class employees have 401k's. And they're not wealthy by any means. What point are you trying to make anyway?
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What a mean-spirited headline. Of course a candidate is willing to "harm" the other candidate's prospects. But this makes it sound as if Mr. Sanders is about to do something unusually bad. Shame on you.
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@Seabiscuit - It's hardly mean-spirited. Sanders' campaign people have stated that they plan to keep attacking Hillary Clinton until the last primary. Why isn't he focusing on the true danger here, Donald Trump? Or give a detailed explanation of how he realistically plans to carry out his "visions"? Or for that matter, release his tax returns for the past few years to prove he doesn't belong to the wealthy class?
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Why doesn't Hillary release her Wall Street transcripts so we can really see whether she wants Big money out of politics?
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The Democratic Party will have a platform that will offend every independent in one way or another. After the November election, the Party will be an afterthought in Washington, D.C.
And yet, life will go on.
And yet, life will go on.
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All Bernie has ever wanted in life is to start a revolution, and right know he's as close as he's ever been. He wants it so bad he's letting it cloud his judgement. Unfortunately for him, its as close as he'll ever come.
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There is an anarchist wing of the "Feel the Bern" movement. They have been proud of property violence in Berkeley, and against IMF and other global injustices. They will be hard for anyone to manage or placate. Look for trouble in Philadelphia. As a newly minted Democrat, Bernie has provided a more welcoming home for the anarchists than have traditional democrats.
I am on the left on many issues, but I draw a line at anarchy. It doesn't help anyone.
I am on the left on many issues, but I draw a line at anarchy. It doesn't help anyone.
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I hear a lot of people saying here that Sanders is now showing his true colors and that the voters will punish him for it. Unfortunately, I think the opposite will prove to be true as has been demonstrated with Trump: the more outlandish and outspoken he gets, the more his supporters will love him for it.
Oh, and to all you keyboard ninjas out there priming your flame throwers: don't think I didn't see you coming.
Oh, and to all you keyboard ninjas out there priming your flame throwers: don't think I didn't see you coming.
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For those of you who feel that people concerned about Bernie Sanders' actions just need to "calm down": don't forget that Ralph Nader led to George W Bush which led to an invasion of Iraq that led to thousands of Americans and Iraqis needlessly killed or injured. Presidential nominations have serious consequences
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And Hillary Clinton was only too happy to assent to the "invasion of Iraq that led to thousands of Americans and Iraqis needlessly killed or injured". Not to mention Honduras, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Syria.......
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Sorry to burst your bubble but exit polling in FL showed Nader taking an EQUAL amount of votes from both Dems and Rpubs, Gore didn't win his home state, and there was a large percentage of registered Democrats that actually crossed over and voted for Bush.
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Please, everybody, try to remember what this election is going to be all about - once we get past these time and energy wasting preliminaries. It won't be about Bernie vs. Hillary, it''ll be about All of Us vs. Donald Trump.
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Much as I love Bernie Sanders, sharing his views on everything to the point of contributing to his campaign, I think it is time for him to fold his tent and start to support Mrs. Clinton. He is not going to be the nominee, and the more he fights against her, the more harm he will do to the Democratic campaign. This fight may well hand the presidency to the least qualified man since Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's VP, who escaped removal from office by one single vote in the senate.
C'mon, Bernie. Give up and persuade your followers to support Hillary. You won't get the nomination, but the longer you fight for it, the more ammunition you'll be handing Trump. Fight Trump, not Clinton--you'll be serving your country.
C'mon, Bernie. Give up and persuade your followers to support Hillary. You won't get the nomination, but the longer you fight for it, the more ammunition you'll be handing Trump. Fight Trump, not Clinton--you'll be serving your country.
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@Michael M.T. Henderson,
If Hillary gets the nomination and wants my vote--especially after the unproven reports-criticism of violence, etc., in Nevada--she'll have to earn them herself. It's her job and her problem to persuade me. Not Sanders's or anyone else's.
PERIOD.
5-19-16@11:32 pm
If Hillary gets the nomination and wants my vote--especially after the unproven reports-criticism of violence, etc., in Nevada--she'll have to earn them herself. It's her job and her problem to persuade me. Not Sanders's or anyone else's.
PERIOD.
5-19-16@11:32 pm
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@Lady Scorpio - Wow, that's pretty self-absorbed that you think a candidate needs to personally persuade you. Look at the platforms and experience and make an informed decision. It really is that easy.
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@lotusflower0,
I don't care what you think of me and please don't presume to tell me what to do. That's overstepping.
5-20-16@1:57 am
I don't care what you think of me and please don't presume to tell me what to do. That's overstepping.
5-20-16@1:57 am
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The use of the word "harm" is ridiculous and quite frankly irresponsible journalism. The primary contest is just that--a contest--and Sanders has a right to see it to the end, just as Clinton did in 2008. Sanders clearly has a huge amount of popular support and those voters deserve to have their voices heard. Sanders is neither egotistical nor bent on destroying the Democratic Party, but he is insistent on changing it. That's really uncomfortable for Clinton and the DNC, but it's vital for the average American.
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@Rhianna - If he's so popular, why is he a few million votes behind in popular vote, and several hundred behind in delegates? And I'd beg to differ about Sanders ego -- he's become very egotistical as the campaign has progressed, particularly under Weaver's influence.
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Because rightly or wrongly, quite a few popular votes were unable to be cast. It's not rocket science, lotus.
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Too many primary voters do not even know their state election rules. Civics education has been dismal. Bernie cannot raise the billion plus dollars needed and would do better to effect change in the Senate.
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Sanders is already looking a lot like Ted Cruz: Ideologically rigid, quite self-important, and the instincts of a gutter brawler at any cost. If we wind up with Trump, Sanders will be as much to blame as uninspiring Clinton. He and Jeff Weaver will be anathema to the Dems, just as Ted Cruz has been loathed by GOP colleagues.
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@Susan Weiss - Agreed. And if Sanders were to get the nomination, he'll be crushed early on by Trump playing the Socialist card. A lot of people still relate socialism to communism, and they'll never vote for Sanders.
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Clinton has a lot more experience in generating "loathing" than Cruz and she is improving even as I type, considering her arrogance in declaring herself the nominee at this point.
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Wow, is this just your opinion or do you have a crystal ball?
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The tone of this article and many others implies that Sanders is doing something wrong. We're still in primary season. He's well within his rights to stay in the race. He's well within his rights to criticize Clinton. He's well within his rights to continue to the convention and have a voice there and attempt to influence the platform. Anyone who doesn't understand this just wants a coronation and would rather pretend his supporters don't exist.
Furthermore, the "violence" in Nevada has NOT been substantiated. http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
That the Times keeps repeating this word is shameful.
Furthermore, the "violence" in Nevada has NOT been substantiated. http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
That the Times keeps repeating this word is shameful.
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The Times has been promoting more than a little disinformation in this election. This article is just another example of bias instead of real reporting.
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Somehow crying foul because the DNC has supported a lifelong Democrat over a life long "Independent " seems odd to me. Bernie needs to take a good long look at Trump's list of SCOTUS favorites. He's doing whatever he can to put one of them on the bench.
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It's almost looking like he thinks he's Lenin now and it's his job to destroy democratic liberalism so we can all be part of the Revolution or perish.
This is the first time when I really do not like him. Most of his supporters seem to despise the Democratic Party.
But this is what Lenin did -- he made the middle ground uninhabitable. That appears to be Bernie's goal too.
This is the first time when I really do not like him. Most of his supporters seem to despise the Democratic Party.
But this is what Lenin did -- he made the middle ground uninhabitable. That appears to be Bernie's goal too.
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Bernie Sanders is the best gift the Republicans could have asked for. He will divide the Democratic Party and give the Republicans the White House. He is the best news I have been waiting for for fellow Republican supporters. The only person to blame for a Democrat Loss will Bernard Sanders and his Communist and Anarchist Allies... Can't wait to see the fallout at the Dem Convention...
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@Karry,
Communist? Anarchist Allies? If you're speaking of purported violence by Sanders voters in Nevada and you actually believe that, you're discrediting your own intelligence.
5-19-16@11:36 pm
Communist? Anarchist Allies? If you're speaking of purported violence by Sanders voters in Nevada and you actually believe that, you're discrediting your own intelligence.
5-19-16@11:36 pm
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@Lady Scorpio - Apparently you didn't read the accounts and/or listen to the recordings left on Ms. Lange's phone.
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@lotusflower0,
If you'd care to provide a few words of summary of what you think I missed I'm happy to read and I can confirm or clarify. Otherwise, please don't assume what I've not read or heard.
5-20-16@1:36 am
If you'd care to provide a few words of summary of what you think I missed I'm happy to read and I can confirm or clarify. Otherwise, please don't assume what I've not read or heard.
5-20-16@1:36 am
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Funny how despite the Democratic Party's Wall Street establishment, and pretty much the entire mass media, especially The New York Times, have had both hands on the scales for Clinton for over a year, yet the will of the people has nearly overcome them. If you want a government run for the benefit of large campaign contributors and hedge funds, with Goldman Sachs alum at the levers of the economy, than certainly Clinton is your candidate.
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It's so disheartening to read NYT's coverage of the Sanders- Clinton race, as any success Sanders has is nearly always characterized by its presumed effect on Clinton. For months now NYT has presented articles and coverage as if the race is over and Clinton has won. This is the first article that, albeit grudgingly, shows any awareness of Bernie's massive groundswell of popular support. Like Fox news, many people take the NYT's articles seriously, and with this comes a great responsibility to present the facts fairly and impartially. I'm now looking for a different, less biased media source.
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The headline on this story is abominable. Where in this story does anyone say that Sanders is "willing to harm Hillary Clinton"? An "aggressive campaign" does not mean Sanders will go on the attack. In fact, the lead paragraphs seem to indicate that Sanders' campaign staff are hoping to benefit from any stumbles or mistakes of their opponent. That approach is different from what the headline insinuates.
The headline does indicate some of the problems with this presidential campaign, namely an unabashed effort by news organizations to slam candidates with slanted rhetoric, especially if a candidate doesn't serve up enough rash and insulting sound bites on their own, as Trump does daily. I urge the editors and reporters involved in political coverage to examine the ways that you are directing discussion away from what is best for our nation by your incessant "he-said-she-said" coverage.
The headline does indicate some of the problems with this presidential campaign, namely an unabashed effort by news organizations to slam candidates with slanted rhetoric, especially if a candidate doesn't serve up enough rash and insulting sound bites on their own, as Trump does daily. I urge the editors and reporters involved in political coverage to examine the ways that you are directing discussion away from what is best for our nation by your incessant "he-said-she-said" coverage.
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@Laggiby - Except Sanders' campaign people have said exactly that -- they plan to continue to attack Hillary Clinton.
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The top two articles in the NYT today speak of doing harm to Hillary Clinton-- either Bernie Sanders or the Republican Benghazi Panel.
Clinton's polling numbers continue to go down. Her numbers reflecting a lack of trustworthiness and honesty continue to go up.
Apparently Hillary Clinton doesn't need anyone else to do harm to her campaign. She's perfectly capable of doing that all by herself.
Clinton's polling numbers continue to go down. Her numbers reflecting a lack of trustworthiness and honesty continue to go up.
Apparently Hillary Clinton doesn't need anyone else to do harm to her campaign. She's perfectly capable of doing that all by herself.
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I'd genuinely like to know from the editors in what way this damning headline flows from the content of the article. After reading it, I don't see how anyone could arrive at the thesis that the Sanders camp is willing to do Clinton harm in order to win. Indeed, there isn't even a direct quote to support such a claim about the Sanders campaign.
This is negligent and biased "journalism" from the NYT -- the reason I cancelled my subscription several months ago, after it became clear that their editorial position on the election was a filter on all news they produce.
This is negligent and biased "journalism" from the NYT -- the reason I cancelled my subscription several months ago, after it became clear that their editorial position on the election was a filter on all news they produce.
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Gail Collins is right, Hillary needs to stand on her own...as of now, she is attached to Bill Clinton on one side of her hip, to Obama on the other side. She is an awful example to our daughters by her repeatedly taking Bill Clinton back after his wandering and lusting after other women outside their marriage. She may be competent but in a President we need a visionary, a model, a guide and an inspiration. Hillary is none of these. She depends on others for vision, she is still using her former roles including first lady of Arkansas or the WH as name recognition. The Clinton brand name is how the clintons are known all over the world. She cannot stand on her own.
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The facts that Bill Clinton started getting high "Speaking Fees" just a few days after Hillary Clinton was named Secretary of State, and that Clinton "Foundation" got some many millions of dollars from "donors" while Hillary was Secretary of State, make the fact that Hillary used an email server at home instead of the one she had the obligation to use under the control and surveillance of the U.S. government a very unlikely coincidence.
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Is NYT taking directives from DWS (and the DNC) and becoming a Schill for them?
If you do not like the primaries, we can become an extension of North Korea where the "Great Leader" can be anointed by Acclamation from the "Chosen few" !
If you do not like the primaries, we can become an extension of North Korea where the "Great Leader" can be anointed by Acclamation from the "Chosen few" !
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Don't be naive. This is a political campaign. The object is to win, not to help your opponent win. Right now his opponent is Hillary Clinton. If he exposes her as the weaker candidate, so be it.
That's the nature of politics. Don't be so shocked.
That's the nature of politics. Don't be so shocked.
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Senator Sanders' standing among his followers because he is a man of honesty and integrity has turned out to be a big fat joke. His platform and how to achieve it is the epitome of dishonesty. The only reason he's polling well as a candidate who could beat Trump is because there's been no negative focus on his past. No money at all has been spent by the GOP detailing his background, which if and when it is closely scrutinized by average voters will turn out to be a fiasco for Democrats. Comrade Bernie indeed.
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Let us restate the facts. After almost 30 years in Congress as an independent, Bernie Sanders joined the Democratic Party in 2015. Over the 30 years, he has repeatedly attacked the Democratic Party and the Party's leaders.
Now, Mr. Sanders wants to be coroneted as the head of the Democratic Party by leaders of the Party that he has always vilified.
So, let us be clear: First, Mr. Sanders is so desperate. He has borrowed a page from the Lyin' Cheatin' Billionaires's playbook. When nothing else works, attack the Party and claim the system is rigged even though Party rules were well established before Mr. Sanders declared his candidacy for President. Mr. Sanders and his cohorts are willing to destroy the Party if he does not get his way.
Second, Mr. Sanders desperation is moving beyond the limits of reasonableness. He knows he does not have the delegates and will never have enough to win by the existing rules. So, Mr. Sanders may also be scheming, with some of his death-threatening supporters, to bring physical harm to Hillary Clinton.
The question is this: Will the Clinton Campaign and the Democratic Party sit idly by wringing their hands hoping that Sanders doesn't win California or will they engage like never before and put an end to this nonsense by decisively beating Sanders in California?
Now, Mr. Sanders wants to be coroneted as the head of the Democratic Party by leaders of the Party that he has always vilified.
So, let us be clear: First, Mr. Sanders is so desperate. He has borrowed a page from the Lyin' Cheatin' Billionaires's playbook. When nothing else works, attack the Party and claim the system is rigged even though Party rules were well established before Mr. Sanders declared his candidacy for President. Mr. Sanders and his cohorts are willing to destroy the Party if he does not get his way.
Second, Mr. Sanders desperation is moving beyond the limits of reasonableness. He knows he does not have the delegates and will never have enough to win by the existing rules. So, Mr. Sanders may also be scheming, with some of his death-threatening supporters, to bring physical harm to Hillary Clinton.
The question is this: Will the Clinton Campaign and the Democratic Party sit idly by wringing their hands hoping that Sanders doesn't win California or will they engage like never before and put an end to this nonsense by decisively beating Sanders in California?
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The headline--leading with "Willing to Harm"--and the descriptions in its articles of superdelegates as being delegates free to choose whom they want to support, evince a New York Times bias that has not helped. Sanders is willing to keep pointing out where she has failed The People and at least pull her to owe The People something (even if she doesn't believe in it) if she gets the job. Superdelegates are delegates who are not bound to the voters in making their choice of whom to support at the convention. As a result, they are free to be wooed or pressured by people other than the voters. That is not the same as being free to choose whomever they like.
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Clearly Hillary has the most to lose from Sanders staying in the race, but she'd rather dig in her heels on behalf of the billionaires than make any actual policy concessions to a real and formidable constituency.
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Bernie Sanders is today's Humbert Humbert, smart enough to know better but too weak to stop himself.
C'mon Bernie, there's no political revolution here. I don't care what the polls show, if you were the Democratic nominee you would lose as badly as George McGovern did. Nobody has come after you yet, so don't kid yourself about America's willingness to vote for socialist.
The fate of the republic is at stake and it is Senator Sanders' moral duty to do what he can to prevent its demise. You've had your day in the sun, the beautiful college girls have screamed your name, but its time to call it a day, because as craven and dishonest as Secretary Clinton may be, she is unlikely to destroy us.
PS. Wasserman-Schultz has managed to sell out all of her people - democrats, progressives, Israelis - in a few short months. No wonder she's reviled.
C'mon Bernie, there's no political revolution here. I don't care what the polls show, if you were the Democratic nominee you would lose as badly as George McGovern did. Nobody has come after you yet, so don't kid yourself about America's willingness to vote for socialist.
The fate of the republic is at stake and it is Senator Sanders' moral duty to do what he can to prevent its demise. You've had your day in the sun, the beautiful college girls have screamed your name, but its time to call it a day, because as craven and dishonest as Secretary Clinton may be, she is unlikely to destroy us.
PS. Wasserman-Schultz has managed to sell out all of her people - democrats, progressives, Israelis - in a few short months. No wonder she's reviled.
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If the facts hurt Hillary, is that Bernie's fault?
Should we make believe she isn't a liar?
Should we make believe she isn't a liar?
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Should we make believe Bernie is qualified and honest?
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Does Sanders truly think that bashing Clinton is going to encourage Democrats...those of us who have been Democrats for many years...to "feel the Bern"? It's simply not possible for Sanders to win the nomination as the pledged delegate count shows.
So what does Sanders want? Has his ego become so inflated that he thinks Democratic superdelegates, who truly are Democrats, are going to roll over and vote for him when he doesn't have the pledged delegates to earn their votes!
All Democrats know that the real and present danger to our country is Donald Trump.
It's up to Sanders to decide whether to run in the remaining primaries but I hope, as do many other Democrats, that if he runs, he does so as a "class act."
Let's not forget the big picture here. Any Sanders supporter who says he or she would choose Trump over Clinton was never a Democrat. Or a Socialist for that matter.
So what does Sanders want? Has his ego become so inflated that he thinks Democratic superdelegates, who truly are Democrats, are going to roll over and vote for him when he doesn't have the pledged delegates to earn their votes!
All Democrats know that the real and present danger to our country is Donald Trump.
It's up to Sanders to decide whether to run in the remaining primaries but I hope, as do many other Democrats, that if he runs, he does so as a "class act."
Let's not forget the big picture here. Any Sanders supporter who says he or she would choose Trump over Clinton was never a Democrat. Or a Socialist for that matter.
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Bernie and his supporters are playing into Trump's hands.
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Sorry, Bernie. For me, once burned (Nader), twice shy. Apparently, you just don't get how important it is for the Democratic Party to win this election for America. "United we stand; divided we fall."
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Message to the Democratic Party: If HRC had a better vision for the country and was a better candidate, Bernie's campaign would not be perceived as a threat. Democracy works best when people are allowed an opportunity to vote for the candidate with the vision that they prefer. The Democratic Party has done everything they can this election cycle to host a coronation of HRC and has not been interested in allowing other candidates to voice their positions.
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Sanders, as spoiler, is trying to force the DNC into hostage negotiations.
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Consider how late Clinton ran her campaign against Obama and just what concession were wrangled over by her.
Clinton has had more experience as being a "spoiler" than Sanders.
Clinton has had more experience as being a "spoiler" than Sanders.
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Does Bernie really want to be the Nader of 2016, the guy who helps make the odious buffoon Trump President of the United States?
He had better start caring, for all our sakes.
He had better start caring, for all our sakes.
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Bernie would win a legal election without the corruption of the Stuper-Delegates. Why do we pretend we live in a democracy? It's a corporate owned Faux-ocracy and we are the selectively ignorant and willing slaves leading ourselves to slaughter as mindless cool-aid drinking drones. It's just a long drawn out version of Jonestown with journalism as one of the many poisons. Make no mistake, our gullible minds are the most effective poison against us.
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Yep. Aside from losing the popular vote, and the pledged delegate numbers, and...
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Fight on, Bernie! There is absolutely no way your insurgent campaign will result in the election of Woodrow Wilson--I mean Hillary Clinton--in November.
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Grow up, Bernard. Wake up, Bernie.
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Seems to me that Bernie wishes to go the route of one Sen Cruz. If he does harm to this election when he has no path with the narcissist Trump on the other side he will be vilified by all Dems everywhere and his place his cherished changes in jeopardy. This too is narcissism...isn't it odd?
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Feel the Bern indeed! We will all "feel the burn" when we have Trumb for President thanks to Sander's ego trip.
Allen S is correct we are loooking at Nader redux
Allen S is correct we are loooking at Nader redux
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If the Democratic Party (or the Clinton Democratic Party, as I have begun calling it) wanted everyone to come together at the end of the primary process and embrace the victor, whoever that might be, then maybe it shouldn't have rigged the election in Clinton's favor. The DNC scheduled as few televised debates as possible, and at times when people would be least likely to watch them, so the public wouldn't be able to get to know the candidates who were running against Clinton. I can think of a lot of other ways in which the election was rigged--you've read about them already. But it's hard to get the losing candidates come together and endorse the victor when they feel they lost because the election was rigged. So, if the members of the Clinton Democratic Party want to blame anyone, they can just look in the mirror.
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I don't know why Sanders and his supporters are angry and what they don't understand. Hillary HERSELF already announced today that the race is finished:
"I will be the nominee for my party, Chris. That is already done in effect. There is no way I won't be," the former first lady told CNN's Chris Cuomo.
DONE. She said it.
"I will be the nominee for my party, Chris. That is already done in effect. There is no way I won't be," the former first lady told CNN's Chris Cuomo.
DONE. She said it.
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Saying it doesn't make it true. Speaks more to hubris, but that is the SOP for the Clinton camp.
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@WallaWalla - The numbers make it true.
It's not hubris it's math. My ballot has been mailed. The circle next to HRC filled in completely.
Mr. Sanders is now showing his lack of leadership which is like poor sportsmanship. It seems as though his outdated political tactics and strategies are akin to what happened at the 1968 Democratic National Convention that resulted in the Republican candidate Richard Nixon being elected President. The Art Of Politics is Comprise. The best Mr. Sanders is to work to get some of his left of Center policies on the platform agenda. At this point Mr. Sanders is acting like a spoiled brat, as his supporters showed their true personalities at the Nevada Democratic State Convention. Yes, California is the battleground State now. Mrs. Clinton is showing true constraint and leadership. Her ability to raise above personal attacks shows character as the leader of the Democratic Party. And deserves the support of the California Electorate to put her over the top and roll into Philadelphia Democratic National Convention with Unity of purpose. Defeat Donald Trump and be elected the next President of the United States of America. Go Hillary!!!
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2nd try.
I returned from a 3 day break from Trump saturation, which was refreshing. What I returned to was odd. The Politics section spoke of the convention in Nevada: chairs thrown and this page refer to threats, all by Sanders supporters, but sans video proof or proof of the sources of the threats.
I saw videos from reliable sources: nothing was thrown, no one hurt. Sanders supporters requested calm and for people to sit. Sen. Boxer taunted; she used the gavel and walked out sans a quorum.
If the NYT's accurate, Sen. Reid censured not just Sanders and some supporters, but all--there was no qualifier. This without a hint of proof? If the Minority Leader- Clinton supporter can do this without providing corroboration of Boxer's claims, then he's done more to dissuade me from considering Clinton in Nov.-- prospective nominee--than the least fair, least polite Clinton or ex-Sanders voter could here or anywhere else.
5-19-16@10:35 pm
I returned from a 3 day break from Trump saturation, which was refreshing. What I returned to was odd. The Politics section spoke of the convention in Nevada: chairs thrown and this page refer to threats, all by Sanders supporters, but sans video proof or proof of the sources of the threats.
I saw videos from reliable sources: nothing was thrown, no one hurt. Sanders supporters requested calm and for people to sit. Sen. Boxer taunted; she used the gavel and walked out sans a quorum.
If the NYT's accurate, Sen. Reid censured not just Sanders and some supporters, but all--there was no qualifier. This without a hint of proof? If the Minority Leader- Clinton supporter can do this without providing corroboration of Boxer's claims, then he's done more to dissuade me from considering Clinton in Nov.-- prospective nominee--than the least fair, least polite Clinton or ex-Sanders voter could here or anywhere else.
5-19-16@10:35 pm
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You might like to take a look at Rachel Maddow. I tend to believe the Sanders supporters about the chair incident, which was real and rapidly over, but the twitter stream of death threats to the Democratic chairwoman were indeed real. I saw it midweek. They were appalling, and it was a filthy stream, dangerous and disturbing. Real evidence, not secondhand reports.
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Susan, that's hardly evidence of anything orchestrated by a campaign. Of the hundreds of Bernie supporters I've talked to, none would behave in that fashion. Those twitter accounts could be run by anybody.
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Rolling Stone interviewed a few Sanders supporters who were quite proud of their actions, owned it entirely.
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I cherish progressive ideals. If it takes a ``political revolution’’ to get there, so be it. However, it is highly disturbing that a man who thinks and talks like Stalin wants to be in the driver’s seat. Anyone who does not agree with him is corrupt or worse. Any process that does not works in his favor is rigged. Truth can be distorted, numbers can be fudged, logic can be twisted, and violence can be tolerated (if not outright encouraged). Because the Saint must be defended at all costs, even if it endangers everything that he is supposed to champion for.
I am glad that our democratic mechanism is still functioning, and will keep this fraudulent politician from anywhere near the position that can affect hundreds of millions of lives in this country and billions more in the world.
I am glad that our democratic mechanism is still functioning, and will keep this fraudulent politician from anywhere near the position that can affect hundreds of millions of lives in this country and billions more in the world.
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Can you say Ralph Nader?
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"I, Donald J. Trump, do solemnly swear to faithfully execute...."
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Bernu=ie, we need your voice, we need a constant lever pulling Clinton to the left (to the middle), but we don't need a Trump presidency. when I hear "“Senator Sanders isn’t obliged to help Secretary Clinton if she wins. That’s a decision his team can make if they face that choice.” I cringe. Senator Sanders, the independent is running as a democrat. It can't just be his party if he wins, it has to be his party either way. Once the nomination is settled, as a democrat he IS obliged to help Hillary win. otherwise he is just a carpetbagger, looking to use the democratic party for his personal glory.
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Well, I'm not going to wade through all 3800 comments to check, but surely someone has noted the more apt comparison is not with Nader's 'spoiler' candidacy, but with the destructive Carter-Kennedy primary contest in 1980?
Perhaps I'm showing my age.
Perhaps I'm showing my age.
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Have always been glad to be a Democrat as I watch the social conservatives and tea party hijack the Republican party. Now seeing the same thing happen in the Democratic Party with Bernie Sanders and the "Progressives" - I would never have thought I would waiting for the day that a third "Centrist" party would be formed which would marry social liberalism with REASONABLE fiscal conservativism - I think the majority of Americans would join up in a heart beat to get away from all these hard line right and left wingers who don't care enough about this country to compromise and get something done
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The way you are now portraying Bernie as a loose cannon free radical is comical. From the outset he has said that he was going for a political revolution. The NYT should have enough people with a decent education in political philosophy and its history to understand what that means. This is not a facile message to digest perhaps for people that want the status quo to continue till eternity maybe a bit to the right or a bit to the left. By endorsing HRC early on in the game you have revealed your hand amateurishly. Bernie has understood well what needs to change and he has communicated it clearly. His message has resonated and he is winning with voters under 45 in aggregate by quite a margin. This is the population that will make the future of this great country. Revolutions typically are made by this age group and for itself and for the others above that age (I am 58) that are too smug in their bourgeois comforts to see straight away from their false consciousness. Bless you Bernie and may you get what you want. It is what is good for the future, for all except a tiny sliver of the population.
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Jeremy Corbyn, left wing leader of the Briitsh Labour Party, had this to say recently: "There has to be some kind of reckoning. You actually have to run an economy for the benefit of the people, not run for the benefit of the hedge-fund managers."
This is the issue in this election in this country now. The rise of Bernie and The Donald has to do with this very thing.
I look forward to voting for Bernie here in California on June 7, as he is a similar man of principle.
This is the issue in this election in this country now. The rise of Bernie and The Donald has to do with this very thing.
I look forward to voting for Bernie here in California on June 7, as he is a similar man of principle.
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Bernie & his friends have lost their minds. If I were him, I wouldn't attack Hillary very much. He has written & published repulsive articles in his long life. She hasn't brought any of that up. Careful Bernie!
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I really have begun to despise Bernie Sanders.
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Same way I feel about Hillary, the DNC, and the shill reporters at the NY Times and WaPo.
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Bernie and Jane - The Thelma and Louise of the 2016 election
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/19/bernie-and-jane-sanders...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/19/bernie-and-jane-sanders...
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If Hillary can't handle Bernie, then she doesn't have a prayer against Trump - and we all will start praying.
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I have read a lot of your comments and you guys need to give Bernie Sanders more credit. Some of you are saying that he is 'promising the moon and stars' and that he is living in some 'pie dream' or something to that effect, which just is not true.
Wall Street does not want a President Sanders because he will expose them for what they really are: oligarchs. Oligarchy is when a small group of people have control of a country, organization, or institution. If the top 10th of 1% of our country is facilitating over the purchase of politicians that will push through certain agendas that only protect THEIR (they being the top 10th of 1% of this country) interests, then that is not democracy.
That is oligarchy.
Wall Street does not want a President Sanders because he will expose them for what they really are: oligarchs. Oligarchy is when a small group of people have control of a country, organization, or institution. If the top 10th of 1% of our country is facilitating over the purchase of politicians that will push through certain agendas that only protect THEIR (they being the top 10th of 1% of this country) interests, then that is not democracy.
That is oligarchy.
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Sorry Bernie, your ideas are as far-fetched as the Repubs.
I've been a lifelong Democrat (versus some Johnny-come-lately's) and although I don't completely agree with all that President Obama has done (or not) your attitude and positions are contemptuous of common sense.
Under NO circumstances will I vote for Bernie. His ideas would bankrupt the country (assuming he could get enough Repubs to vote for them).
Time to move on . . .
I've been a lifelong Democrat (versus some Johnny-come-lately's) and although I don't completely agree with all that President Obama has done (or not) your attitude and positions are contemptuous of common sense.
Under NO circumstances will I vote for Bernie. His ideas would bankrupt the country (assuming he could get enough Repubs to vote for them).
Time to move on . . .
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So you 'd vote for Trump or NOT vote?
[Tongue in Cheek/Sarcasm] You must really love our country.
[Tongue in Cheek/Sarcasm] You must really love our country.
So you've been a life long Democrat and Bernie's ideas are far fetched? Your lifelong affiliation as a Democrat must not be too long because Bernie's ideas were the mainstream of the Democratic Party since FDR to the 80s. Unfortunately, when the Clintons came along, the party went to the center right embracing corporate money in return for pro corporate legislation and deregulation. So please, get the facts about the history of the D Party before you say Bernie's ideas are far fetched.
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The corporate media and the democratic establishment, cannot understand that people prefer Bernie Sanders over Hillary?
Yes, I know she won many states, but she won among democrats; and in general elections independents outnumber democrats and republicans.
-People dislike Neocon foreign relations and Neoliberal economy.
People don't want candidates that receive donations from big corporations and Wall Street.
Yes, I know she won many states, but she won among democrats; and in general elections independents outnumber democrats and republicans.
-People dislike Neocon foreign relations and Neoliberal economy.
People don't want candidates that receive donations from big corporations and Wall Street.
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All true and add that her big voter count comes from states that will go in the red column in the general election, whereas Bernie's wins are in states that go blue.
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She was in charge of creating a health care reform program. Never got to a vote; cost taxpayers about $13 million. She recommended (AG), Zoe Baird, Kimba Wood and after their withdrawal, Janet Reno, who Bill described as “my worst mistake.” She recommended Lani Guanier (Civil Rights Commission) who was forced to withdraw. Hillary recommended former law partners Web Hubbel (Justice), Vince Foster (White House), and William Kennedy (Treasury). Hubbel went to prison, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.
Hillary wanted to award travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson. The WH Travel Office refused to comply. Many charges were made. After a 36 months investigation one charged employee was found not guilty. Hillary recommended a friend, Craig Livingstone, as Director, WH Security who was investigated for improper access to FBI files, “Filegate”, and drug use by WH staff. Hillary denied knowing Livingstone and drug use in the White House. The FBI closed its WH Liaison Office after more than 30 years of service to seven presidents.
Bill was charged with sexual abuse. Hillary took charge of his defense. She recommended a settlement with Paula Jones. Hillary refused to release Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor, Monica and Bill’s impeachment (blow to Bill).
Hillary returned $200,000 in WH furniture, china, and artwork that she took. She has a WH record we can review. Americans don't need Bernie.
Hillary wanted to award travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson. The WH Travel Office refused to comply. Many charges were made. After a 36 months investigation one charged employee was found not guilty. Hillary recommended a friend, Craig Livingstone, as Director, WH Security who was investigated for improper access to FBI files, “Filegate”, and drug use by WH staff. Hillary denied knowing Livingstone and drug use in the White House. The FBI closed its WH Liaison Office after more than 30 years of service to seven presidents.
Bill was charged with sexual abuse. Hillary took charge of his defense. She recommended a settlement with Paula Jones. Hillary refused to release Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor, Monica and Bill’s impeachment (blow to Bill).
Hillary returned $200,000 in WH furniture, china, and artwork that she took. She has a WH record we can review. Americans don't need Bernie.
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Republican opposition work, again ...
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There is simply too much at stake in this election for the Democrats to nominate a socialist. That would unite the moderate, right wing, evangelical and wing nut factions of the Republican Party, and give this nation four years of chaos.
Time for Bernie to put out the Bern, for the sake of this country.
Time for Bernie to put out the Bern, for the sake of this country.
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One could also argue that there is too much at stake to nominate a status quo politician, under investigation, with many skeletons in the closet. Namely what the heck did she say during all those $1500/min speeches?
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I was just reading the article on Oklahoma's bill to make abortion a felony. No exceptions. Their governor has to look it over. Sanders is not addressing these kinds of issues.
It is excruciatingly clear that the GOP is anti-female. Have they thought about Zika? Millennial women will need to decide whether the Sanders voters going for Trump are even capable of thinking about women's issues. Trump has a list of neanderthal judges to throw at the right wing. Women's lives are still bargaining chips to the GOP.
"Disgusting", as Trump would say.
It is excruciatingly clear that the GOP is anti-female. Have they thought about Zika? Millennial women will need to decide whether the Sanders voters going for Trump are even capable of thinking about women's issues. Trump has a list of neanderthal judges to throw at the right wing. Women's lives are still bargaining chips to the GOP.
"Disgusting", as Trump would say.
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Bernie should run a third party campaign. I'd vote for him.
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Unfortunately, at some point in the process, Bernie has started to listen to his own press and believe it. America will not elect a self-proclaimed Socialist to the highest office in the land. Further, the era of big government is over. No western nation can afford it. Bernie's proposals sound like a never ending set of Christmas and Hanukkah gifts. To a far lesser degree, Sanders, like Trump doesn't have the temperament to be President. When he has made mistakes, he never acknowledges or apologizes, but instead blames and doubles down (e.g., stealing demographic data from the Clinton camp earlier this year). Despite the endless attacks on Hillary, she is among the most qualified politicians to be President. Bernie, if you are listening...please think about this country first and your political ambitions second.
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Did Bernie Sanders promote crime reform in the 1990’s that mass incarcerated African-Americans? No, that happened under Bill/Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders openly claim to be against gay marriage and remain silent when DOMA was passed? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders remain quiet while the NSA completely eliminated our Constitutional right to privacy. No, that happened under Obama/Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders craft the TPP trade agreements to further dismantle our industrial base and ruin the middle class? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders vote for war in Iraq and lead the effort to assassinate Ghaddaffi leaving chaos in Libya? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders blatantly lie about the cause of a terrorist attack against our embassy that killed 4 Americans? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders takes millions of dollars from Goldman Sachs and then refuse to answers questions about the money? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders get himself involved in an FBI investigation that involves breaking federal law and violating national security? No, that’s Hillary
Hillary has been on the wrong side of EVERY single issue that the Democrats claim to care about.
Anyone who supports Hillary is an absolute hypocrite.
Did Bernie Sanders openly claim to be against gay marriage and remain silent when DOMA was passed? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders remain quiet while the NSA completely eliminated our Constitutional right to privacy. No, that happened under Obama/Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders craft the TPP trade agreements to further dismantle our industrial base and ruin the middle class? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders vote for war in Iraq and lead the effort to assassinate Ghaddaffi leaving chaos in Libya? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders blatantly lie about the cause of a terrorist attack against our embassy that killed 4 Americans? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders takes millions of dollars from Goldman Sachs and then refuse to answers questions about the money? No, that’s Hillary
Did Bernie Sanders get himself involved in an FBI investigation that involves breaking federal law and violating national security? No, that’s Hillary
Hillary has been on the wrong side of EVERY single issue that the Democrats claim to care about.
Anyone who supports Hillary is an absolute hypocrite.
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Does he pay 13% taxes on 200k income - yes. Did his wife load up her school with debt (issued 10 million of debt for a college with 150k endowment and 4 million budget). The college shut down, people lost their well paying jobs in rural Vermont and she walked away with 200K. - yes!! Did Bernie rant that his wife committed fraud and should be in jail - No
You the the Hypocrite!!!
You the the Hypocrite!!!
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the most shocking and manipulative headline I've ever seen in the NYT ... seriously wondering why I bother with you any longer
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Funny, I've heard a lot of denials from people on this site, but nothing from the candidate himself.
I saw Weaver on TV tonight, he didn't deny it either. It would have taken five seconds to say "that headline was absurd, we're not looking to hurt Hillary", but he did not.
I saw Weaver on TV tonight, he didn't deny it either. It would have taken five seconds to say "that headline was absurd, we're not looking to hurt Hillary", but he did not.
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NYT, do you think we're absolute morons and not able to see through your bias with another intentionally misleading anti-Sanders article? Sanders has every right continue to shine light on a corrupt campaign finance system, a rigged economy, and the ownership of government by a few wealthy people. He repeats this in every speech he makes and it's as clear as day. This country is now an Oligarchy. I'm absolutely disgusted that you, as a news organization that so many of us have trusted for so many years, are now blatant in your disregard for accurate journalism and are just as biased and "owned" as Fox news. In fact, their coverage of the Democratic Caucus in Nevada was less biased that yours. This piece is misleading, one sided, and Clinton-centric.
Harm Clinton? Clinton has harmed Clinton. She is disliked by many because she is funded by banks and corporations and because she has and continues to support an establishment that only works to line the pockets of themselves and the wealthy on the backs of the American people. Furthermore, she is most likely going to be indicted by the FBI for criminal treason. Why are you not discussing this as an obvious obstacle for Clinton winning the general election? NYT, you are another news organization that has sold its soul and ethics. You are responsible for Trumps nomination and the ongoing destruction of our planet and what was once our democracy. Shame on you.
Harm Clinton? Clinton has harmed Clinton. She is disliked by many because she is funded by banks and corporations and because she has and continues to support an establishment that only works to line the pockets of themselves and the wealthy on the backs of the American people. Furthermore, she is most likely going to be indicted by the FBI for criminal treason. Why are you not discussing this as an obvious obstacle for Clinton winning the general election? NYT, you are another news organization that has sold its soul and ethics. You are responsible for Trumps nomination and the ongoing destruction of our planet and what was once our democracy. Shame on you.
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I think the best solution for this protracted primary fight is for Hillary and Bernie to be on the ticket together. This would bring together their complementary strengths--Hillary with foreign affairs, strong policy acumen and drawing power with women, African-Americans and Hispanics, and Bernie with a passion for social justice and drawing power with young people--and make them a formidable ticket. Trump wouldn't have a chance. Go HillBern!
Its a shame that Mr Sanders and Mrs Clinton are at each other neck, Bottom line,the Democrat's lose if this keeps up!
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This story sounds very much like a story Hilary's camp could have planted. Why such tendencious reporting and even worse headline?
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@V.Gupta - The Sanders' camp is responsible for the headline, as they stated that's what they're going to do -- step up the attacks on Clinton.
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It's a primary. He's supposed to step up attacks on Clinton. That's how this works.
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As the presumptive nominee, Hillary Clinton is supposed to be the party's leader. Instead, she is losing control and playing the victim.
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This is the home stretch for Hillary, not Bernie. He's still on second base.
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Thank you Bernie! Your dogged effort to change the corrupt and undemocratic manner in which the Democrat Party selects their candidate is an important contribution to the nation.
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I agree completely. It is also showing the true colors of various so-called news organizations.
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I hate to say this, but I think Donald Trump would be less dangerous in the White House than Bernie. Since the last debate (and during it), he's shown himself to be a dangerous -- and maybe even unhinged -- man. Interviews, such as with the Daily News, show he's clueless about important things. Sad to see his campaign become what it has. I liked him at first, but now see that I was wrong -- or perhaps the campaign has changed him. At any rate, he is no longer likeable at all. I have never voted Republican in a national campaign, so I guess I'd probably not vote the top of the ticket at all if Bernie were to get the nomination.
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Huh?! This is a "pick"? That's just as crazy as the Berniebot stuff.
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Amazing! Dottie's comment, with 4 "likes" at this moment, is a NY Times "pick". Dottie's the clueless one. A sitting Fed President backed up Bernie's answers to the NY Daily News interview. The NY Times has lost it's ability to be considered the "paper of record".
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I've been a life-long Democrat, but it is only during this campaign season that I have understood the inner workings of the DNC. Shocked, appalled and disgusted, I revoke my support of the Democratic Party under its current structure, and I will never cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.
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How is this a "pick"? Really NYT?
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Anyone running for president generally has a huge ego. Unfortunately, egos are usually centered on what is best for the egotist and not on what is best for the group the egotist is trying to represent. Ralph Nader is to perfect example during the recent past. If Bernie Sanders actions get Donald Trump elected, Sander's ignominy will be sealed, but by then it will be too late.
Hilary Clinton is certainly the most qualified candidate, based on experience, to be president. Unfortunately, she is also, perhaps rightly, considered untrustworthy and is thus an incredibly weak candidate.
Like any good opponent, the Sanders campaign and his supporters smell blood in the water. At the same time he is definitely acting like a sore loser, blaming the Democratic establishment for his loses. There is partly some truth in that, but not enough of an excuse to fracture the Democratic party and throw the election to Donald Trump.
It is hard to know why he is risking so much. Is he pushing his candidacy forward no matter the outcome because of his ego, or is he surrounded by advisers who are pushing him over the edge? Jeff Weaver, Bernie's campaign manager, comes across as a never give an inch sort of fellow. At this point it is fair to ask whether the dog is wagging the tail or is Jeff Weaver wagging the Bern.
Hilary Clinton is certainly the most qualified candidate, based on experience, to be president. Unfortunately, she is also, perhaps rightly, considered untrustworthy and is thus an incredibly weak candidate.
Like any good opponent, the Sanders campaign and his supporters smell blood in the water. At the same time he is definitely acting like a sore loser, blaming the Democratic establishment for his loses. There is partly some truth in that, but not enough of an excuse to fracture the Democratic party and throw the election to Donald Trump.
It is hard to know why he is risking so much. Is he pushing his candidacy forward no matter the outcome because of his ego, or is he surrounded by advisers who are pushing him over the edge? Jeff Weaver, Bernie's campaign manager, comes across as a never give an inch sort of fellow. At this point it is fair to ask whether the dog is wagging the tail or is Jeff Weaver wagging the Bern.
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I see absolutely no quotes, even attributed to insiders, that state that Bernie is willing to "do harm" to Clinton's campaign. That's editorializing, pure and simple, and NOT reporting.
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Sanders' campaign people have stated they will continue to attack Hillary Clinton in an effort to win more primary votes. Considering that Bernie is mathematically out of the game, this only does harm to the Democratic nominee, and helps Trump. Bernie attacks Hillary so Donald doesn't have to, but reaps the benefit.
Sorry, by the absolute definition, Bernie is NOT (at this time) ". . . mathematically out of the game. . . " That time may come, so hold your horses.
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Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! You've made an inestimable contribution to the campaigning for our next president and we thank you. You've sharpened the focus of truly important issues and energized and welcomed hundreds of thousands of new well-informed enthusiasts to their political awakening and personal involvement.
But now it's time to think even bigger: your goals have to be in service of defeating Trump. You must support the Democratic party and the ensuring of a Democratic president. Stay until the end of the campaign if you must but do so without criticizing Hillary, without fracturing the party, without encouraging or excusing Trump-like behavior from your supporters. Your messages will survive and thrive in a Clinton administration and you have much more work to do in advancing them in the Senate. Please Bernie - good honest, moral, dedicated man that you are, don't make our battle against the GOP any harder. How will you sleep at night if Trump becomes president because you ruptured Hillary's possibilities?
But now it's time to think even bigger: your goals have to be in service of defeating Trump. You must support the Democratic party and the ensuring of a Democratic president. Stay until the end of the campaign if you must but do so without criticizing Hillary, without fracturing the party, without encouraging or excusing Trump-like behavior from your supporters. Your messages will survive and thrive in a Clinton administration and you have much more work to do in advancing them in the Senate. Please Bernie - good honest, moral, dedicated man that you are, don't make our battle against the GOP any harder. How will you sleep at night if Trump becomes president because you ruptured Hillary's possibilities?
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Well Bernie, to quote Pogo, "We have met the enemy and he is us." Congrats on being the embodiment of that verse!
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Bottom of the barrel NY Times. Again. What do you think every candidate does when trying to win the nomination? Bernie kept the gloves on very long. He doesn't lie. He tells people the truth about Hillary Clinton. If that harms her, oh well. A hawk, pro GMO, pro Monsanto, likes selling arms, pro TPP, not in a rush to come out against Keystone XL, doesn't want to do more than tinker with Obamacare, takes huge amounts of money from special interests...
And that is all without going under the belt. Good lord. A horrid candidate. Being a woman does not make her any better.
And that is all without going under the belt. Good lord. A horrid candidate. Being a woman does not make her any better.
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Sanders has taken a joyful debate and decided he is the voice of the party. A party that by rights could have disqualified his even being on the ballot.
He is no where near vetted. Trump would be him...
He is no where near vetted. Trump would be him...
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I find it amusing that the anti-Bernie commenters are so quick to call him an egomaniac because he dares to continue to challenge Clinton. In the primary. Before all states have voted yet.
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Why won't he stop winning and quit! Doesn't he understand how a rigged system works?
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Ha! THIS comment from John P should be a NY Times "pick"!
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Months ago Sanders said that "they are going to throw the kitchen sink at us." It took a while but here it comes… all kinds of bull-doo. This article is one of them. So are the comments. I have been following the comments, and I don't recall ever seeing the names of the readers who are included here. What happened to the usual suspects? Too many first time commentors to be genuine. It smells fishy.
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Go Bernie, go!
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I was never crazy about Bernie and his lofty ideas with no practical plans as to how to fulfill them. To say nothing of his age (74), his refusal to affiliate to the party he now espouses, and much more. But now I'm disgusted with his ego trip that threatens us all with the terrifying specter of Trump. The grievous mischief he is inflicting on the Democrats right now is not to his credit.
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According to the latest polls, Trump actually leads Clinton in a head-to-head match up while trailing Sanders. So it seems that, in actuality, Clinton is the one willing to harm the Democratic Party's chance at a White House bid.
As commenters here point out, this does bring to mind the Nader-Gore-Bush fiasco, although, unfortunately most here have the characters switched.
As commenters here point out, this does bring to mind the Nader-Gore-Bush fiasco, although, unfortunately most here have the characters switched.
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It's time for Hillary to drop out for the good of the Party!
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Something fishy is going on in the comments here. For months, whenever there has been a story about Clinton/Sanders, the top-rated "Readers' Picks" tilted heavily pro-Sanders. Now things have turned 180 degrees and they are all pro-Clinton. Has someone in the Clinton camp started encouraging or even paying trolls to flood the section with "rah-rah Hillary" comments, like I've heard that Republicans do? Such a major shift in tone seems a bit off to me.
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Simple answer: no
Comments are vetted by interns. They must be punchy. 5642 comments and reading.
In general, approval has gone to a variety, on purpose. It is intended to be representative.
Comments are vetted by interns. They must be punchy. 5642 comments and reading.
In general, approval has gone to a variety, on purpose. It is intended to be representative.
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Clinton hired a firm to improve her online image by posting to Facebook, Twitter and here. It's the kind of thing you do when you're a Clinton.
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Ms. Anderson,
What you say may be true about the comments in general. But I am referring specifically to the "Readers' Picks." The top picks have, indeed, made an about-face from being largely pro-Sanders to largely Pro-Clinton.
What you say may be true about the comments in general. But I am referring specifically to the "Readers' Picks." The top picks have, indeed, made an about-face from being largely pro-Sanders to largely Pro-Clinton.
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Sanders should be tried for inciting a riot. He gets his revolutionaries so worked up over Hillary "stealing" the nomination and incessantly tells them it's a "rigged" system against him. No wonder Sanders supporters have turned into a bunch of zombies repeating his Feel the Bern mantra. Like lemmings ready to go off the cliff for him Sanders has sown the seeds of revolution alright. The demise of the Democratic Party is what he's accomplished. No wonder he's never been able to convince anyone in Congress to get behind his ideas. He and they are cracked.
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Bernie and Donald, a pair of self-infatuated aging Boomers on a relentless self aggrandizing ego trip and tough for anyone who gets in their way, regardless the consequences. Next stop on aging relic Bernie's 60s nostalgia tour: Chicago '68
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A very misleading headline. Sanders is "willing to harm" Clinton? That is the takeaway? That is not what was reported in the article.
People in New Jersey and California haven't even had an opportunity to vote. Is it too much to ask that citizens living in those states be allowed to cast their ballots?
The attacks on Sanders seem to intensifying. If you want to attract his millions of supporters in November, marginalizing them is counterproductive.
People in New Jersey and California haven't even had an opportunity to vote. Is it too much to ask that citizens living in those states be allowed to cast their ballots?
The attacks on Sanders seem to intensifying. If you want to attract his millions of supporters in November, marginalizing them is counterproductive.
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It boggles my mind, Jacob, that the DNC and Team Clinton haven't considered your last statement.
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Secretary Clinton's disingenuous claim that she and her husband took $250 Million from Wall Street, Banking and Tech donors without doing any "favors" disqualifies her from the presidency. The bribes are obviously a down payment for future chicanery.
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"Harm?" Really? This is still a political campaign. Once again the NYT is following the Clintonistas' meme, that Bernie is 'damaging' Hillary's campaign and chances of election as the DNC thought was her destiny.
Sorry, but she's done enough of that on her own. Trump will gladly hold her coat and carry on, as meanly, aggressively, rudely and absurdly as he is skilled in doing himself, regardless of what anyone says, including Bernie.
As journalist Robert McChesney noted recently, "all it takes for journalists is to look at 2008, when Hillary Clinton was running and was in a similar position vis-à-vis Barack Obama the last two months of the campaign.
"In that period, she refused to get out, said, "I’m taking it right to the convention." And in fact, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, one of her main supporters, currently the chair of the Democratic National Committee, argued, even if she didn’t win the most elected delegates, the superdelegates should pick Hillary because she’d do better in November. She was making that argument then: So she should stay in and not worry about maybe hurting Obama’s chances.
"And there was more evidence then, or as much evidence, that Hillary Clinton was doing damage theoretically to Obama’s November chances than there is today that Sanders is doing damage to Hillary Clinton’s November chances."
Sorry, but she's done enough of that on her own. Trump will gladly hold her coat and carry on, as meanly, aggressively, rudely and absurdly as he is skilled in doing himself, regardless of what anyone says, including Bernie.
As journalist Robert McChesney noted recently, "all it takes for journalists is to look at 2008, when Hillary Clinton was running and was in a similar position vis-à-vis Barack Obama the last two months of the campaign.
"In that period, she refused to get out, said, "I’m taking it right to the convention." And in fact, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, one of her main supporters, currently the chair of the Democratic National Committee, argued, even if she didn’t win the most elected delegates, the superdelegates should pick Hillary because she’d do better in November. She was making that argument then: So she should stay in and not worry about maybe hurting Obama’s chances.
"And there was more evidence then, or as much evidence, that Hillary Clinton was doing damage theoretically to Obama’s November chances than there is today that Sanders is doing damage to Hillary Clinton’s November chances."
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Why are Bernie's supporters being so irrational?
Because their heads are stuck in the SAND. Literally.
Because their heads are stuck in the SAND. Literally.
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Stop blaming Bernie for the fact that Hillary is a deeply flawed candidate. Additionally, she polls so poorly, right now she is MORE unlikable than Trump! That's not Bernie's fault that's hers. In 2 battleground states Trump is already beating her but Bernie has always had net positive likability and has beat Trump. Nearly 70% of respondents think Hillary is untrustworthy, almost all think Bernie is trustworthy and is authentic. What is not understood about that?
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Sanders says he wants to make sure that Donald Trump is defeated in November yet he has been doing everything he can to assure the progressive wing of the Democratic Party stays home in the Fall if Hillary is the nominee because the "rigged" system denied him the holier than thou Sanders the nomination of a party he joined last year. Sanders sounds more like a mole planted to sabotage the Dems from the inside. What a despicable piece of trash. We will remember Sanders when he tries to caucus with the Dems after this election goes to Trump.
DD
Manhattan
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Manhattan
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How dare Bernie compete to win! How dare he.
We are told that Bernie's competition-to-win harms Clinton, but my real concern is that Bernie has been too soft for too long and when and if Clinton faces Trump, it will be an entirely different world of smash mouth politics.
If Clinton can't handle Bernie, then she can't handle Trump. If you're a Clinton supporter, you should want your candidate to BEAT Bernie, not "guilt" him out of the race.
Seriously. This is getting absurd.
We are told that Bernie's competition-to-win harms Clinton, but my real concern is that Bernie has been too soft for too long and when and if Clinton faces Trump, it will be an entirely different world of smash mouth politics.
If Clinton can't handle Bernie, then she can't handle Trump. If you're a Clinton supporter, you should want your candidate to BEAT Bernie, not "guilt" him out of the race.
Seriously. This is getting absurd.
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With the violence we now see in the Sanders campaign more and more people are getting burned rather than "feeling the Bern". This is a good thing. Better late than never.
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@pkbormes,
Please provide a reliable source of video re: violence. I've seen several. Not one showed violence.
5-19-16@10:38 pm
Please provide a reliable source of video re: violence. I've seen several. Not one showed violence.
5-19-16@10:38 pm
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Lady Scorpio, here you go:
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/chaos-threats-after-n...
The voicemails were definitely ugly. Not so sure about the chair throwing, but these were inexcusable. I'm a bit depressed discovering that on all sides people are so prone to violence and oversimplifying. As you probably know, my primary issue is climate change, and I notice people are only interested in today's weather and the price of gas. Anything else is too long-term for them. It seems our minds are not, in the main, capable of long term thinking and synthesis.
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/chaos-threats-after-n...
The voicemails were definitely ugly. Not so sure about the chair throwing, but these were inexcusable. I'm a bit depressed discovering that on all sides people are so prone to violence and oversimplifying. As you probably know, my primary issue is climate change, and I notice people are only interested in today's weather and the price of gas. Anything else is too long-term for them. It seems our minds are not, in the main, capable of long term thinking and synthesis.
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@Susan Anderson,
I saw Ms. Mitchell's interview with Ms. Lange. Any threats are terrible, of course. And the voice mails are insane. But, Ms. Mitchell said that they don't know who actually threatened, including Ms. Lange's family, unfortunately.
I found a YouTube video: Nevada Clinton Delegate Calls Sanders Disenfranchisement Unfair. The Clinton delegate, Ms. Patt Barrett provided details of her experience, what she observed, etc. She seemed quite fair about the whole thing, wouldn't be quoted or seen as more biased in any direction after what she experienced.
She also made a point of saying that there's not yet solid proof about sources of threats, etc. Aside from the actual videos of from the convention, I found this far more informative, neutral and helpful than anything I've read or seen so far. No disrespect toward the link you provided.
I agree with you. Without the planet, the price of anything isn't moot. For me, it's also healthcare and voting rights protections.
5-20-16@3:52 am
I saw Ms. Mitchell's interview with Ms. Lange. Any threats are terrible, of course. And the voice mails are insane. But, Ms. Mitchell said that they don't know who actually threatened, including Ms. Lange's family, unfortunately.
I found a YouTube video: Nevada Clinton Delegate Calls Sanders Disenfranchisement Unfair. The Clinton delegate, Ms. Patt Barrett provided details of her experience, what she observed, etc. She seemed quite fair about the whole thing, wouldn't be quoted or seen as more biased in any direction after what she experienced.
She also made a point of saying that there's not yet solid proof about sources of threats, etc. Aside from the actual videos of from the convention, I found this far more informative, neutral and helpful than anything I've read or seen so far. No disrespect toward the link you provided.
I agree with you. Without the planet, the price of anything isn't moot. For me, it's also healthcare and voting rights protections.
5-20-16@3:52 am
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Try it Bernie and there is a strong movement if its own building to primary you in VT. This is not a joke and it has some big guns behind it. If you persist, you will shatter your legacy and lose your Senate seat. Bank on it.
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Bernie is an Independent in Vermont therfore, he does not go through a primary process for Senate election. Furthermore, he has done nothing to compromise the support of his Vermont constituents. As a native Vermonter myself, his support is substantial and it is not diminished by the sketchy editorializing found here.
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If you've done a shred of historical scrutiny, you'll remember that Democrats used to look a whole lot like Bernie (FDR or any other New Dealer). I for one can't tolerate this perpetual rightward shift. Nixon is to the left of Obama, Goldwater would be a liberal now as would that noted Socialist Eisenhower. I'd happily vote Democrat, but I haven't found one other than Bernie. Oh - and Hillary leads only by delegate - apparently that popular vote meme isn't quite accurate....HRC and the popular media like to cherrypick the truth.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/king-superdelegates-decide-wins...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/king-superdelegates-decide-wins...
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Then don't blame the victims. Blame the Republicans. Saint Reagan began the downward spiral, which was only halted by Bill Clinton. As usual, Democrats were too busy shooting at each other, and in the midterms he lost support and had to compromise to get anything done. Just like Obama.
It seems Democrats prefer to shoot at each other, while Republicans never lose sight of the goal. That's why the goalposts keep shifting to the right.
It seems Democrats prefer to shoot at each other, while Republicans never lose sight of the goal. That's why the goalposts keep shifting to the right.
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His hypocrisy knows no bounds. Before it was: Superdelegates are undemocratic and MUST NOT overturn the will of the voters! Now it is: Superdelegates must overturn the will of the voters because of GE polls (even though I have never been vetted by the GOP). Bernie has completely jumped the shark and is damaging his own legacy. His pledge to stop Trump at all costs is meaningless if he persists on this course. Let the voters vote until 6/14 and then if Hillary has the expected strong lead with pledged delegates and votes, he should concede. It is nowhere near as close as it was in 2008 when she put liberal goals ahead of personal ambition. She gave a rousing speech for Obama at the Convention and campaigned 180 stops for him. And so did Bill. Enough.
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@Fran,
My understanding is that in '08 Hillary waited until the last possible moment to concede anything and that there was a group of supporters who vowed not to support Obama if he got the nomination.
5-19-16@10:41 pm
My understanding is that in '08 Hillary waited until the last possible moment to concede anything and that there was a group of supporters who vowed not to support Obama if he got the nomination.
5-19-16@10:41 pm
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I've been reading NYT bad or hit pieces on Bernie for nine months. The comments have ALWAYS been favorable to Sanders... including the top comments. This weekend... several media commenting exchanges took a very negative turn on Sanders I've never seen the likes of before, inconsistent with what has been the norm.
Thus, I say to Mr. Brock: It is all too little, too late. Your hiring $1M of social media posters to defend HRC won't work. It WILL drive the nail in the coffin, though, as it will only alienate those supporters that would keep Trump out of office. You are a sad man, Mr. Brock.
Thus, I say to Mr. Brock: It is all too little, too late. Your hiring $1M of social media posters to defend HRC won't work. It WILL drive the nail in the coffin, though, as it will only alienate those supporters that would keep Trump out of office. You are a sad man, Mr. Brock.
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The scripted nature of the responses aren't even convincing. One ounce of critical thinking us all it takes.
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@Rasberry,
I don't want to compromise your point but the comments have always been favorable? Have you read many of them? These pages are like a scene of constant battle (war?) between many voters of different views, including Trump's supporters. The Clinton voters and even some Sanders voters regularly criticize not just Sanders but anyone who dares question Hillary's judgement, past or anything else. in fairness, Clinton voters are spoken to miserably too. There's very little mutually respectful disagreement here.
One of the things that seems at best, a collective mixed message from some of these people is the question of ideological purity. Clinton voters like to hurl Sanders's Independence as a de-legitimizing weapon against him re the Dem party. But they've no problem calling Sanders on what they feel is him being too ideologically pure compared to Hillary. That's when they're not referring to Sanders's voters as worshippers, which many Clinton supporters show signs of for her.
If you're saying that Mr. Brock has fixed a few things here. We'll see how effective he was starting in the summer.
5-19-16@11:02 pm
I don't want to compromise your point but the comments have always been favorable? Have you read many of them? These pages are like a scene of constant battle (war?) between many voters of different views, including Trump's supporters. The Clinton voters and even some Sanders voters regularly criticize not just Sanders but anyone who dares question Hillary's judgement, past or anything else. in fairness, Clinton voters are spoken to miserably too. There's very little mutually respectful disagreement here.
One of the things that seems at best, a collective mixed message from some of these people is the question of ideological purity. Clinton voters like to hurl Sanders's Independence as a de-legitimizing weapon against him re the Dem party. But they've no problem calling Sanders on what they feel is him being too ideologically pure compared to Hillary. That's when they're not referring to Sanders's voters as worshippers, which many Clinton supporters show signs of for her.
If you're saying that Mr. Brock has fixed a few things here. We'll see how effective he was starting in the summer.
5-19-16@11:02 pm
Yeah, one ounce of critical thinking "US". . .
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I love watching the democrats eat their own. After 8 pathetically failed years it's time to shake things up in DC. As a Trump supporter I hope he burns the whole ugly mess to the ground so we can start over. But if I had to choose between the lesser of the evils, I would vote for Bernie over Hillary without a second thought.
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I agree with Senator Merkley.
It is clear that the democratic party is corrupt and has long ago crowned Hillary Clinton as the heir to the throne.
The spin in this article is troubling in that it degrades any notion of Bernie having a right to finish out his run in a "democratic primary". What is the DNC afraid of,? Perhaps that Bernie may actually bring democratic values back to the party, whether he can win or not, Bernie has certainly challenged the status quo effectively, that should be the real story!
But clearly, the NYT's and mainstream media will not tell that story.
It is clear that the democratic party is corrupt and has long ago crowned Hillary Clinton as the heir to the throne.
The spin in this article is troubling in that it degrades any notion of Bernie having a right to finish out his run in a "democratic primary". What is the DNC afraid of,? Perhaps that Bernie may actually bring democratic values back to the party, whether he can win or not, Bernie has certainly challenged the status quo effectively, that should be the real story!
But clearly, the NYT's and mainstream media will not tell that story.
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Here's what Merkley said earlier this week:
“When a nominee wins a majority of both those categories [ votes and pledged delegates ], it is time for us to come together, link arms and go forward,” Merkley said. “It would be inconsistent, given the commentary on super-delegates, to depend on super-delegates to turn over those first two categories of evaluating party members’ support.”
Asked if he would support Sanders’s decision, under these conditions, to keep the battle going to the convention floor, Merkley said: “Absolutely not.”
Do you agree with Merkley now ?
“When a nominee wins a majority of both those categories [ votes and pledged delegates ], it is time for us to come together, link arms and go forward,” Merkley said. “It would be inconsistent, given the commentary on super-delegates, to depend on super-delegates to turn over those first two categories of evaluating party members’ support.”
Asked if he would support Sanders’s decision, under these conditions, to keep the battle going to the convention floor, Merkley said: “Absolutely not.”
Do you agree with Merkley now ?
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This piece, from the headline on, is a hatchet job meant to affect the outcome of the California primary in favor of Clinton. A California loss would spell a P.R. disaster for the Clinton campaign and would embolden Bernie's support and bolster Bernie's chances of securing the nomination. It is no secret the Clintons are worried. Worried about Bernie's string of victories, worried about his "yuge" rallies, worried about the most recent poll showing Trump beating her by 3 points, worried about the FBI e-mail investigation as more and more members of Clinton's staff are deposed under oath. Do the Clintons have cause to worry? Absolutely. Go Bernie! Feel The Bern!
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Sanders to fight to the end if for no other reason that make Hillary Clinton to pretend to be a real Democrat.
He has values.
She has the desire for office.
He says what he believes.
She says what she needs to -- see the flip-flop on the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
If his campaign can make her flip for real rather than for convenience it would be the start of the revolution he talked about. And if it's for real, then why not him.
He has values.
She has the desire for office.
He says what he believes.
She says what she needs to -- see the flip-flop on the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
If his campaign can make her flip for real rather than for convenience it would be the start of the revolution he talked about. And if it's for real, then why not him.
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I'm becomingly increasingly annoyed at the way various outlets (not limited to the NYT) liken political tactics and rhetoric by Sanders to explicit gendered/physical violence against women, as if he's out there shoving Clintom down the stairs. It feels very tawdry and sensational.
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"Defiant and determined . . . ", hah. Angry, bitter sore loser is what he is.
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Since it has been borne out this year that political parties are indeed private entities, there's a simple solution to the ever-growing argument that the primaries should not be closed to party members only.
Stop using public funds to finance these primaries. Otherwise, it seems that Joe Q. Public truly is being asked to pay for something in which he does not have a right to participate.
Indeed, just look at what happened in the UK when Labour opened up its election with a £10 fee... Jeremy Corbyn. Does anyone doubt that Bernie Sanders would be beating Hillary Clinton in open primaries?
Stop using public funds to finance these primaries. Otherwise, it seems that Joe Q. Public truly is being asked to pay for something in which he does not have a right to participate.
Indeed, just look at what happened in the UK when Labour opened up its election with a £10 fee... Jeremy Corbyn. Does anyone doubt that Bernie Sanders would be beating Hillary Clinton in open primaries?
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I suspect that Senator Sanders is waiting for the FBI to conclude its investigation of the Secretary Clinton's email server.
Once it's done, then he'll have to make a decision.
Once it's done, then he'll have to make a decision.
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I'm sick of hearing about Hillary Clinton being a woman, like we think this is of ANY importance?!? Of course it's all a political game this 'playing the woman card' stuff, but the fact remains the VAST majority of us don't care is she is a man, a woman, or a transvestite cross-dresser, all we want is the best man for the job.
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It's unfortunate that at 74, Mr. Sanders mentality is shaped in part by his age--one where many decide they can do/say anything they want--somehow they believe they have earned that right. As the campaign has progressed, he has, more and more, allowed his wife, his campaign manager and his ego (bolstered by rallies) bring out the worst in him. All along, his "message" has been narrow and barely reflects a country or world view. And his promises are, in many ways no different than Mr. Drumpf. Totally unrealistic. The only reason young people are supporting him is they are as much idealistic as the rest of us once were until we ran into real life, and real politics. I do think, however, that Mrs. Clinton should jump on changing how our elections are funded which is the basis of why the young are unhappy with what goes on not only in Washington but in the states as well. One can only hope that deep inside him, he has the ability to accept losing and do his best to convince his followers to vote for Hillary. If, on the other hand, he somehow becomes the nominee, I wonder, if he beats Donald, he will function when he's 77.
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The thing is, when Sanders stands up in front of his screaming hordes of supporters, he can't believe that he won't win. So, if he doesn't he's been cheated. These are extremely biased samples that give him a distorted idea about his popularity. Why should he quit when "everyone" loves him.
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@Dalgliesh,
Why should he quit when there are people who've waited a long time to vote? Are their rights to be disrespected?
5-19-16@11:06 pm
Why should he quit when there are people who've waited a long time to vote? Are their rights to be disrespected?
5-19-16@11:06 pm
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I listened to pro-Hillary Dems trash Sanders yesterday on radio. Predictable that they would look around for anything to club him over the head with; but also sad.
They don't seem to get that people are tired of neoliberal and neocon warfare on the middle and working classes. Even after Sanders' wins-they still don't get it. Even with Ivy League educations-they don't get it.
Yes, the most important thing is a Democratic supermajority running our country. If Dems can unite and if the people will get out and vote, it can happen. C'mon, Dems.
They don't seem to get that people are tired of neoliberal and neocon warfare on the middle and working classes. Even after Sanders' wins-they still don't get it. Even with Ivy League educations-they don't get it.
Yes, the most important thing is a Democratic supermajority running our country. If Dems can unite and if the people will get out and vote, it can happen. C'mon, Dems.
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Geez, what a relentlessly myopic article – Clinton über alle
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How dare that mean old man rob the Democratic leadership of our predetermined nominee.
Articles like this one demonstrate why the Democratic Party is in greater trouble than its leadership thinks. It too will find that its members and independents will look elsewhere for vision and leadership in the future because the Party sure looks like it does not have either one.
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How dare that mean old man rob the Democratic leadership of our predetermined nominee.
Articles like this one demonstrate why the Democratic Party is in greater trouble than its leadership thinks. It too will find that its members and independents will look elsewhere for vision and leadership in the future because the Party sure looks like it does not have either one.
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I want to see Bernie at the Democratic convention, with a huge following to give him some clout in setting the agenda. But I don't like seeing him attack Hillary, or vice versa. It won't benefit either of them or us in the long run.
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Sanders is demanding a debate because lately he just can't seem to command attention on his own. Hillary gets all the wrong attention. Yikes. At this point....I'll vote for the candidate that I think can beat Trump- it's all I care about now. Good job GOP for making America a global joke.
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Can you imagine a headline that read "Hillary Clinton, Eyeing Convention, Willing to harm Barack Obama in the Homestretch"? Didn't think so.
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It is the height of irresponsibility to rest a damning headline like "Bernie Sanders, Eyeing Convention, Willing to Harm Hillary Clinton in the Homestretch" on one fragmentary quotation, "not thinking about," from one adviser. There is no context except what appears to have been added, or chosen, by your writers, which is at variance with the context provided by other publications, and which would seem to be the most incendiary imaginable.
Where is the rest of this quotation, in what context was it said, and why is this information missing from the article?
Where is the rest of this quotation, in what context was it said, and why is this information missing from the article?
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I can't believe anyone actually believes this article. Has Team Hillary become this desperate? I know it must be sad for her campaign to realize that she can't just hop and skip her way into the WH but the reality is that most American's don't like her and as a voter, I still don't know what she stands for or believes in. The lack of trust the American people have with her is not Bernie's fault. The fact that she can't handily win elections is not Bernie's fault. Its not Bernie's fault that she's not a better candidate. So stop crying Team Hillary and look in the mirror for your resolution.
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If you are a Democrat and you're okay with the way this primary season is being handled, then you're either not paying attention, or worse, you don't care because Hillary is your choice and she's winning. We're supposed to be the example of democracy, but the world is watching and shaking its collective head.
Have you seen the DNC promote any voter drives this primary season? No, but they used to. What you have seen are voters being purged from rolls, voter affiliations (mostly Democrats) being flipped to "unaffiliated" or some other party, exit polls that don't match voter tallies (but not on the Republican side), votes actually being erased in machine audits to match the machine count, voters given provisional ballots (that are never counted) or forced to vote by affidavit, not enough ballots supplied to the polls, and polling sites reduced to the bare minimum along with polling hours.
There's a term for this, often associated with Republicans-- strip and flip. Now I see my own party using the same tactics. We may still have social and civil differences, but when it comes to winning elections, our party now shares the same philosophy as Republicans-- strip voters from the rolls and hope for a low turnout. This should be a concern for everyone, no matter which candidate you support.
0500 190616
Have you seen the DNC promote any voter drives this primary season? No, but they used to. What you have seen are voters being purged from rolls, voter affiliations (mostly Democrats) being flipped to "unaffiliated" or some other party, exit polls that don't match voter tallies (but not on the Republican side), votes actually being erased in machine audits to match the machine count, voters given provisional ballots (that are never counted) or forced to vote by affidavit, not enough ballots supplied to the polls, and polling sites reduced to the bare minimum along with polling hours.
There's a term for this, often associated with Republicans-- strip and flip. Now I see my own party using the same tactics. We may still have social and civil differences, but when it comes to winning elections, our party now shares the same philosophy as Republicans-- strip voters from the rolls and hope for a low turnout. This should be a concern for everyone, no matter which candidate you support.
0500 190616
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Guess what That's how President Obama won. In 2008, She fought to the end but conceded more graciously than she was treated by his campaign. Somehow it's ok for Bernie's supporters to be violent but not the Donald's? The fact that she is winning by a wider margin than President Obama won in 2008 is meaningless to Bernie's supporters. Please stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Sanders supporters need to Man up and stop making stuff up that doesn't have a factual basis.
Sanders supporters need to Man up and stop making stuff up that doesn't have a factual basis.
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The Democratic party is finished. I give them 20 years, at the most, before the wheels come off the wagon. I say this as somebody who would have identified with them 35 years ago. The under 35 crowd doesn't openly identify Dem in my experience. It's always the lesser of two evils in close races, and third party otherwise. This is going to not end well.
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Speaking of a making stuff up, there was no "melee" in Nevada. There's no evidence of any thrown chairs or violence. No video, no eyewitnesses. Yes there was shouting, but no violence.
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What a ridiculous nonstory. Sanders is a legitimate presidential candidate. No different than any candidate is he willing to "harm" or curtail his opponent's progress. He wants to win...the difference is he doesn't have a less than honest media to spin ridiculous stories against his about his opponent as Hillary does.
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Hillary running for president and is upset that it's so hard, people are voting for this other guy in the primaries because they like his platform. Boo Hoo.
Steal his platform, Hillary, you'll get more voters. You've changed your mind on pretty much everything else. Why not this too?
Steal his platform, Hillary, you'll get more voters. You've changed your mind on pretty much everything else. Why not this too?
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Seems to me that Sanders cares more about his own ego than he does the good of the country. That he won't encourage his supporters to support Hillary when she wins the nomination says to me that he's just like a child throwing a fit because he didn't get want he wanted. He wanted all of the benefits of running as a Democrat but then doesn't like it when the rules don't favor him. But he's not a Democrat. He doesn't support Democrats and spends much of his time basing the party. Ask yourself this: What would Sanders and his supporters be saying now if Bernie were ahead - in votes and delegates - the way Clinton is now, and yet Clinton and her supporters were acting as Sanders and his supporters are now? It would be a brutal and ugly response indeed.
The anger, hatred, violence and rage that we've seen so much of in the Bernie camp . . . these are not qualities I want in an electorate nor in a candidate responsible for inciting them.
Just got my CA ballot in the mail and will be proudly voting for Ms. Clinton.
The anger, hatred, violence and rage that we've seen so much of in the Bernie camp . . . these are not qualities I want in an electorate nor in a candidate responsible for inciting them.
Just got my CA ballot in the mail and will be proudly voting for Ms. Clinton.
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Mr. Sanders,
You are no different than Donald Trump. You're exactly the same. Cater to those that supported you and help destroy Hilary Clinton's nomination. Good old party unity! Hogwash! It's a new American order. Selfists like you who believe in your own rhetoric. Who's catering to whom, here? You stupidly believe that your base of supporters is acting all on their own? They like you because ""they're not going to take it anymore"?! You're blind, just plain defiant, or not at all bright. You may have tapped into an unrest among your supporters just like Dumbo, but it is Dumbo, just like you, who is more than happy to fuel their rage by omitting truth, staying deaf, dumb, and blind to their extremes, outright lying and being simply narcicistically empowered. Stop it already. Take your case to the convention, great. But please figure out quickly that you're harming everyone if you continue to be the democratic version of Dumbo.
You are no different than Donald Trump. You're exactly the same. Cater to those that supported you and help destroy Hilary Clinton's nomination. Good old party unity! Hogwash! It's a new American order. Selfists like you who believe in your own rhetoric. Who's catering to whom, here? You stupidly believe that your base of supporters is acting all on their own? They like you because ""they're not going to take it anymore"?! You're blind, just plain defiant, or not at all bright. You may have tapped into an unrest among your supporters just like Dumbo, but it is Dumbo, just like you, who is more than happy to fuel their rage by omitting truth, staying deaf, dumb, and blind to their extremes, outright lying and being simply narcicistically empowered. Stop it already. Take your case to the convention, great. But please figure out quickly that you're harming everyone if you continue to be the democratic version of Dumbo.
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http://correctrecord.org Correct The Record is a strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks.
This is part of Hillary's campaign.....someone on the thread just mentioned it.
Who will protect Sen. Sanders from baseless attacks? He doesn't have cool Clinton cash to build a "Correct the Record strategic research rapid response team to defend Hillary...."
Once she's elected they should come in handy as well - this is very forward thinking. Machiavellian.
This is part of Hillary's campaign.....someone on the thread just mentioned it.
Who will protect Sen. Sanders from baseless attacks? He doesn't have cool Clinton cash to build a "Correct the Record strategic research rapid response team to defend Hillary...."
Once she's elected they should come in handy as well - this is very forward thinking. Machiavellian.
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What a sad turn of events. Looks more and more like impending disaster
Having the New York Times act as Hillary's attack dog against Sanders - not only by printing incredibly biased articles but also phony comments, is a disgrace. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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The former Sanders supporters switching to Clinton before the primary is over, because of the "violence" in Nevada and/or the fear of a Trump win, are simply buying the media's and the Clinton campaign's story.
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To equate Bernie’s message to “revolution” is dismissive of the oppression that so many nations have faced and rebelled against.
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If someone is willing to 'do harm' to the chance of the status quo continuing for the next 8 years, then I say, Go Bernie!
Young people are coming out of college with massive debts and massive worries. How can they afford to get married?
Buy a home?
Have children? Pay for their education?
Get decent healthcare?
If they can't afford any of this, then what kind of a future will they have? The answer is this: they'll have a big fat nothing.
And from I can tell, there's only been one person in the race willing to stand up and fight the good fight.
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Dear Bernie,
I'm two years older than you and in good physical condition. But I would no more consider taking on the job of POTUS than I would climbing a sheer cliff with my bare hands and a bit of chalk.
I'm exhausted just watching you approach the edge of a complete physical breakdown. I'm no shrink but I also fear for your mental well-being as evidenced by your loss of touch with the realities of the election and your apparent willingness to bring the Democratic party to its knees while risking the ascendancy to the Oval office by the utterly unqualified Republican nominee.
So please take a deep breath and think about the opportunity afforded to the Party and the consequences for the Nation by not acting sensibly and reasonably.
I'm two years older than you and in good physical condition. But I would no more consider taking on the job of POTUS than I would climbing a sheer cliff with my bare hands and a bit of chalk.
I'm exhausted just watching you approach the edge of a complete physical breakdown. I'm no shrink but I also fear for your mental well-being as evidenced by your loss of touch with the realities of the election and your apparent willingness to bring the Democratic party to its knees while risking the ascendancy to the Oval office by the utterly unqualified Republican nominee.
So please take a deep breath and think about the opportunity afforded to the Party and the consequences for the Nation by not acting sensibly and reasonably.
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And trump supporters will give him all the help he needs.
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Yet another heavily biased headline and an article full of attempts to dismiss the Sanders campaign...For cryin' out loud! How about an article depicting the real situation in Nevada? The NYT has continued to perpetuate false reports about the Nevada convention. This, sirs, is commonly known in plain language as lying. I refer you to the Danish tale entitled "The Emperor has no clothes." This applies only too well to the Gray Lady for many months now. As to "California polls," Bernie speaks to multitudes and HRC can't fill the smallest venue there.
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Not that this'll slow the BernieBots down any, but a) nobody threw chairs in Nevada after all, and b) you guys didn't get cheated in any way.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/19/claims-berni...
It really isn't a good sign that some of you guys show the same disinterest in reality, as well as the same disdain for women and their work, that you can find in a whole passel of Trump's supporters.
Your guy's a politician, okay? He's not Jesus, he ain't even Martin Luther King. He takes money--in fact, he brags about it pretty much every speech--and he takes it from people who expect a payoff on their investment just as mich as any corporate head does. And he plays the angles, like any politician has to do. None of this changes his excellent goals, or the work he's done in the past.
And YOU guys ain't standing on the Pettis Bridge in Selma in 1963 or so, facing down guns and dogs and hoses and bats and the Klan. Get over yourselves.
And while you're at it, learn some actual history, some patience, some self-discipline, some thought for others. For one thing, it's despicable that some of you say things like, "I don't care if Trump gets elected...maybe if millions of working people and moms and kids get it in the neck, maybe if millions of guys lose their jobs, the country'll wake up."
A REAL group of Marxists and socialists would recognize the source and base of their privileges: working people, all over the world.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/19/claims-berni...
It really isn't a good sign that some of you guys show the same disinterest in reality, as well as the same disdain for women and their work, that you can find in a whole passel of Trump's supporters.
Your guy's a politician, okay? He's not Jesus, he ain't even Martin Luther King. He takes money--in fact, he brags about it pretty much every speech--and he takes it from people who expect a payoff on their investment just as mich as any corporate head does. And he plays the angles, like any politician has to do. None of this changes his excellent goals, or the work he's done in the past.
And YOU guys ain't standing on the Pettis Bridge in Selma in 1963 or so, facing down guns and dogs and hoses and bats and the Klan. Get over yourselves.
And while you're at it, learn some actual history, some patience, some self-discipline, some thought for others. For one thing, it's despicable that some of you say things like, "I don't care if Trump gets elected...maybe if millions of working people and moms and kids get it in the neck, maybe if millions of guys lose their jobs, the country'll wake up."
A REAL group of Marxists and socialists would recognize the source and base of their privileges: working people, all over the world.
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Amen, Robert, amen
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Trump calling him 'Crazy Bernie' wasn't so wrong after all.
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@ Sai
For Donald Trump to call anyone 'crazy' is insane – well, maybe absurd.
For Donald Trump to call anyone 'crazy' is insane – well, maybe absurd.
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I quite agree that Sanders has no place in the Democratic Party. He should run in November as an independent.
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Your headline, "Willing to Harm Hillary Clinton in the Homestretch" is disturbingly biased against Sanders, unworthy of what I thought was the The New York Times and deeply concerning – unspeakably despicable!
It is a direct assault on a candidate running for election. This is, BTW, an "election", not a "Thé Dansant", and this is supposed to be news, NOT editorial opinion, where this sort of low blow 'might' pass. Is your dance card empty now that Donald Trump is sashaying solo? Need a donkey to pin a tail on?
When I want your opinion, I'll ask for it. Otherwise, I have a mind of my own to rely on.
"I shall have liberty to think for myself without molesting others or being molested myself."
~ JOHN ADAMS
This kind of partisan "reporting" is what gives us Donald Trump. He's right to use the press for fodder. You've created and earned his despise and the raging mob that follows him.
"We build a fire in a powder magazine, then double the fire department to put it out. We inflame wild beasts with the smell of blood, and then innocently wonder at the wave of brutal appetite that sweeps the land as a consequence."
~ MARK TWAIN
You, of course, are not alone in this charade. The DNC is equally at blame.
This nomination process has been a sham, the election will be a disaster and the result, whoever is crowned, a no–win for the US and the world.
“I'm sorry if you don't like my honesty but, to be fair, I don't like your lies.”
~ ANONYMOUS
It is a direct assault on a candidate running for election. This is, BTW, an "election", not a "Thé Dansant", and this is supposed to be news, NOT editorial opinion, where this sort of low blow 'might' pass. Is your dance card empty now that Donald Trump is sashaying solo? Need a donkey to pin a tail on?
When I want your opinion, I'll ask for it. Otherwise, I have a mind of my own to rely on.
"I shall have liberty to think for myself without molesting others or being molested myself."
~ JOHN ADAMS
This kind of partisan "reporting" is what gives us Donald Trump. He's right to use the press for fodder. You've created and earned his despise and the raging mob that follows him.
"We build a fire in a powder magazine, then double the fire department to put it out. We inflame wild beasts with the smell of blood, and then innocently wonder at the wave of brutal appetite that sweeps the land as a consequence."
~ MARK TWAIN
You, of course, are not alone in this charade. The DNC is equally at blame.
This nomination process has been a sham, the election will be a disaster and the result, whoever is crowned, a no–win for the US and the world.
“I'm sorry if you don't like my honesty but, to be fair, I don't like your lies.”
~ ANONYMOUS
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The Democratic Party of today bears no resemblance to the party of Franklin Roosevelt. Who speaks today for the unemployed, the homeless, and the poor? Not Hillary Clinton. What Senator Sanders basically wants is to represent the people who cannot afford to enclose a thousand-dollar check when they write to their representatives. Hillary Clinton did not bow out in 2008. Why should the rules differ for Senator Sanders?
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You must be joking Barbara. Have you even bothered to look at the childcare plan she just put forward? Something that is feasible and will make a difference to millions of families. Please -- tell me ONE policy or program that Bernie has put forward that is as detailed as this, and which has a prayer of being paid for.
The rules should differ for Senator Sanders because the risk is astronomically higher this election. There is literally no comparison between Trump and McCain. Or Romney.
The rules should differ for Senator Sanders because the risk is astronomically higher this election. There is literally no comparison between Trump and McCain. Or Romney.
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Bernie Sanders acting as a scorched earth politician practicing the politics of personal destruction? This hardly seem to be congruent with his persona and brand of never going negative and staying above the fray that he has carefully cultivated during a long career in politics. Will the real Bernie Sanders please stand up. Perhaps we hardly knew you at all.
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Thanks Bernie, for pulling the garbage can lid off the DNC.
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For all the people bemoaning Bernie Sanders' actions, perhaps there would be a alternative they liked better if the Democratic Party hadn't discouraged all potential candidates by handing the nomination to Clinton so early on. They decided eight years ago that this was her year. She and the DNC made sure that the Super Delegates were hers before a single primary was held. The strong-arming never stopped with Bernie and the same would have happened to anyone else who dared to try to stop Hillary. Now they will blame Sanders and his followers when she loses. They need to accept that they wouldn't be in this situation if their process had been, well, Democratic.
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This is a mean spirited piece meant to unsettle and damage the Bernie Sanders campaign prior to the primary in California. Why? Because a Clinton loss in California would be a P.R. disaster. The headline's objective, "willing to harm Clinton" is to further promote hostility toward Bernie Sanders - because his continuing winning streak poses a THREAT to the Clinton's inevitability as the nominee of the Democratic party. A party she and her supporters feels she OWNS outright. However, the thing is people who listen to Bernie Sanders and get to know him and his agenda, don't buy for a minute what the NYT and mainstream media is selling them about his "fringe" candidacy. Only Hillary Clinton can harm Hillary Clinton. And she has done plenty of it already. That Trump is increasingly becoming such a challenge to Clinton demonstrates to the extent she is a weak candidate. Polls corroborate it- and illustrate that the stronger candidate to beat Trump is Bernie Sanders.
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The lefties who are supporting Sanders constantly point to Canada as a role model for how things should be. Well news flash. In Canada, election campaigns are only six weeks long.
The party leader in Canada is chosen BY THE PARTY. They have a convention , give speeches, and registered Liberals ( or conservatives, or socialists, depending on the party) vote for their leader. It is unheard of to think that someone who refuses to register as a member of the party should pick the leader. Sheesh.
The media DOES own campaign coverage in this country, and loves the year long show. News media manipulates the populace through negative stories. Negative attack stories do work; one reason that it is foolish to think Sanders has a better chance than HRC against Trump. When Sanders begins to be negatively attacked, his numbers will go down. They always do, that is why they are effective. Even Sanders knows this. He was not doing well at all until he started attacking HRC with negativity, which improved his numbers and put him back in the game.
At this point, Sanders aim is to destroy the party. It is clear from his history that he hates the Democratic Party. Indeed, members of the socialist party here in America have always hated the Democratic party. Sanders has openly said many times he is no democrat and it would be hypocritical of him to run as one because he despises them. It is no shock to anyone paying attention that his end game is destruction, violently if necessary.
The party leader in Canada is chosen BY THE PARTY. They have a convention , give speeches, and registered Liberals ( or conservatives, or socialists, depending on the party) vote for their leader. It is unheard of to think that someone who refuses to register as a member of the party should pick the leader. Sheesh.
The media DOES own campaign coverage in this country, and loves the year long show. News media manipulates the populace through negative stories. Negative attack stories do work; one reason that it is foolish to think Sanders has a better chance than HRC against Trump. When Sanders begins to be negatively attacked, his numbers will go down. They always do, that is why they are effective. Even Sanders knows this. He was not doing well at all until he started attacking HRC with negativity, which improved his numbers and put him back in the game.
At this point, Sanders aim is to destroy the party. It is clear from his history that he hates the Democratic Party. Indeed, members of the socialist party here in America have always hated the Democratic party. Sanders has openly said many times he is no democrat and it would be hypocritical of him to run as one because he despises them. It is no shock to anyone paying attention that his end game is destruction, violently if necessary.
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I think the Clinto camp is getting rather desperate. Now they've hired trolls on the NYT comment section. Let's talk about the issues folks.
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Agree. They've even provided their trolls with talking points. Many of them mention Jeff Weaver - as if it is remotely believable they know the name of Sanders's campaign manager- in a country where one third of Americans do not know whos is the vice president.
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I have nothing against Clinton or Sanders. But thanks to Trump and Sanders both the RNC and DNC been exposed as pretty crooked organizations who will stop at nothing to get their way.
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If the Sanders campaign and it's supporters were a movie they'd be "Dumb and Dumber."
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The Sander's campaign has devolved to a "scorched earth" strategy. Shades of Nader.
Bernie it seems is enjoying the adulation so much he is misleading his constituents. Sounds like the other party to me.
Bernie it seems is enjoying the adulation so much he is misleading his constituents. Sounds like the other party to me.
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She could "court the young voters by naming him her running mate and bowing down to him.
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I just wonder if a lot of what is going on is good old misogyny. Clinton lost out to Obama and now she seems to be suffering on 2 fronts - Trump and Sanders.
It's time Sanders bowed out and Clinton cannibalized some of his platform so she can appeal to his adherents. Like Trump, Sanders is a dangerously strident speaker and muddy thinker. The world needs neither of these guys.
It's time Sanders bowed out and Clinton cannibalized some of his platform so she can appeal to his adherents. Like Trump, Sanders is a dangerously strident speaker and muddy thinker. The world needs neither of these guys.
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Real NEWS coverage of the Clinton v Sanders race would be most welcome. I know the NYT has endorsed Clinton...that's glaringly obvious. But that should stay on the editorial page, not color every aspect of any story having to do with the race. Bernie Sanders is not some no-hoper, clinging on in spite of a single digit turn out. He's giving her a real run for her money, offering voters a real choice, and airing issues that many people clearly care deeply about. It's long past time to stop treating him like some kind of spoiler and give his campaign the serious, impartial coverage a newspaper of this stature should offer. This air of entitlement that the Clinton camp and her followers have is off putting. He's running for the same office; he's not trying to "hurt" her. Don't be juvenile.
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From one Independent to another, Bernie should just run as an Independent. There are far too many of us, his supporters, who refuse a vote for Clinton, and it'd save me from voting for Trump.
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He is proving himself to be just another ego driven politician.
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“We want to have progressive values and socialism on the convention’s agenda". And the Party of Jefferson is history. It is now the Democratic Socialist Party full of Bolsheviks. At least the Dems are finally admitting what the rest of us knew all along - they're just a bunch of old time socialists.
I vote Democratic, but at this point I would not vote or Bernie if he won the nomination. I don't like bullies. He doesn't care who he runs down in his efforts. It is actually quite sickening what he is doing. It is definitely about him at this point, not any message he wants to deliver.
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Regardless the vitriol heaped on Bernie Sanders, the first honest Presidential candidate in several decades, by the corrupt Hillary, and her misguided supporters, the reality is, Bernie is the one who can, and will, prevent a Trump Presidency.
Hillary is very simply "damaged goods", damaged by her own avaricious behavior, by her lies, by her willingness, and desire, to foment even more wars, by her unwillingness to listen to what the American people want, by her stated belief that incrementalism is her method, which in reality means she will do nothing to better the lives of the poor, and middle-class, other than increase the size of the stale breadcrumbs, currently being doled out.
She is a Republican wolf, hiding out in the clothing of a liberal, believing she is fooling the people; I assure you, none of us are falling for it.
Hillary is very simply "damaged goods", damaged by her own avaricious behavior, by her lies, by her willingness, and desire, to foment even more wars, by her unwillingness to listen to what the American people want, by her stated belief that incrementalism is her method, which in reality means she will do nothing to better the lives of the poor, and middle-class, other than increase the size of the stale breadcrumbs, currently being doled out.
She is a Republican wolf, hiding out in the clothing of a liberal, believing she is fooling the people; I assure you, none of us are falling for it.
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Bernie will burn us all with TRUMP.
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The first paragraph should have read:
Defiant and determined to transform the Democratic Party, Senator Bernie Sanders is opening a two-month phase of his presidential campaign aimed to wrest the nomination from Hillary Clinton, or inflicting a heavy blow in California and amassing enough leverage to advance his agenda at the convention in July.
That’s more like it NYT. Stop making it personal. Stop declaring that Bernie is out to “get her”. He wants to get the nomination; just like she does. And if not, to get our voices heard – not sure that’s what she wants if she doesn’t get the nomination.
Defiant and determined to transform the Democratic Party, Senator Bernie Sanders is opening a two-month phase of his presidential campaign aimed to wrest the nomination from Hillary Clinton, or inflicting a heavy blow in California and amassing enough leverage to advance his agenda at the convention in July.
That’s more like it NYT. Stop making it personal. Stop declaring that Bernie is out to “get her”. He wants to get the nomination; just like she does. And if not, to get our voices heard – not sure that’s what she wants if she doesn’t get the nomination.
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What is not really understood by the millennium generation is that American democracy is not 100% democratic. The Parties pick the candidates and the People pick the President. Bernie knows this but is banking on his supporters to be just as ignorant as his Republican counterparts. Primaries are for the purpose of selecting delegates who pick the candidates at the national conventions. This is to insure that idiots like Trump who have their own agenda, don't get accidently elected by a mob rule, which appears to be happening in both parties. By Bernie saying the system is rigged and declaring his candidacy a revolution, he is disrupting a system that worked just fine for decades.
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I'm a big fan of Trump.
He is an honest guy who is self-funding and has no Super PAC. He got to know Putin very well because they were stablemates, so the foreign policy is there, in terms of with the other countries.
He has terrific judgement and has chosen a good team of honest and brilliant people like Chris Christie and Sarah Palin.
He is an honest guy who is self-funding and has no Super PAC. He got to know Putin very well because they were stablemates, so the foreign policy is there, in terms of with the other countries.
He has terrific judgement and has chosen a good team of honest and brilliant people like Chris Christie and Sarah Palin.
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The comments on this marathon thread are absolutely inconsistent with comments posted in the past concerning Senator Sanders's candidacy. Once you hang out here long enough, you become very familiar with the poster's names. Hardly any of them figure here today. To the contrary. It is just a barrage of abusive and offensive comments directed at Senator Bernie Sanders using language which in many cases should not have been approved.
The California primary looms large in the horizon - and the Clinton trolls have had a heyday here. Lamentable, for Clinton, the trolls and the New York Times. One would expect better. I hope not to be censored. Thank you.
The California primary looms large in the horizon - and the Clinton trolls have had a heyday here. Lamentable, for Clinton, the trolls and the New York Times. One would expect better. I hope not to be censored. Thank you.
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You are right. This is exactly what happened a couple weeks before the New York primary. A bunch of paid operatives/trolls signed up for a free subscription and fired off a tirade of similarly sounding baseless accusations that were meant to distort a legitimate hard fought primary contest. When the media bombardment didn't work they fixed the election by disqualifying enough votes to swing the election to Clinton.
This is dirty politics at its worst and why millions of Americans are fed up with the corrupt political establishment that has trampled democracy.
If the Democrats lose to the Republicans it will be because they ran Hillary as their candidate; she clearly is not the favorite in the Democratic primary if you include millions of independent voters. There is not a poll in America that shows that she has the number of votes to beat any Republican.
This is dirty politics at its worst and why millions of Americans are fed up with the corrupt political establishment that has trampled democracy.
If the Democrats lose to the Republicans it will be because they ran Hillary as their candidate; she clearly is not the favorite in the Democratic primary if you include millions of independent voters. There is not a poll in America that shows that she has the number of votes to beat any Republican.
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"...she clearly is not the favorite in the Democratic primary if you include millions of independent voters."
Why would we include Independents as a measure of Clinton's appeal to Democrats?
I'm sure that if you include communists and socialists, she not the favorite either.
Why would we include Independents as a measure of Clinton's appeal to Democrats?
I'm sure that if you include communists and socialists, she not the favorite either.
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The man has effectively run unchallenged (at least his ideas have been unchallenged) which has propelled unsustainably high approval. He nows wants to overrun the democratic voting process to impose his minority will on a majority of voters and supers. Meanwhile, the Democratic establishment is "shocked" that the free wheeling, independent ideologue is willing to burn down the house to make his point (see TARP vs AUTO WORKERS). As with Trump and the GOP, the biggest mistake the Big D democrats made was letting all of this go unchecked for a year. Bernie is Willie Wonka giving chocolate to children and now the children are on a sugar high. Good luck bringing them down from it.
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Ok. It is quite clear that the paid trolls were told to hammer home the Ralph Nader Myth. Nader got "W" elected, you were told to post. Fine. So tell us all this: How did Nader get "W" re-elected? Got an echo-chamber answer which disregards history for that one?
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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Also the ego meme.
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This is an election. Until we have a nominee, Bernie will continue to plead his case.
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Sanders' voting block will likely opt out of voting, or vote third party if HRC is nominated. She needs everyone she can get and the only way I can realistically see her pulling in the numbers she needs is to promise 2 things; 1) Reinstate a version of Glass-Steagal, and 2) Repeal Citizen's United. The likelihood of her doing either is slim, so she'd better start courting the southern evangelicals as hard as she can. Playing the Trump bogeyman card isn't going to be enough to tip the scales.
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Since it's asking a lot to expect anything like it in the NYT, this link to a Guardian column is worth a read:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/19/bernie-sanders-esta...
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/19/bernie-sanders-esta...
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Sanders's angry diatribes have long since lost their charm, and now are becoming ever more irritating. Sour grapes is not an attractive attitude.
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One of the interesting and ironic aspects of this episode is that Bernie and his supporters are particularly concerned about income equality yet the folks at the lowest end of the US income spectrum, Blacks and Latinos, have been among Hillary's core constituencies. The upper and middle class "progressives" and radicals at the core of Bernie's campaign know what's better for "the people" than the people.
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As a progressive. I abhor this man. He wants a revolution. Don't we all!
Instead, the reality is we have to fight to keep what has been gained.
Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare: all hardly perfect, but imagine a world with these visionary services.
Instead, the reality is we have to fight to keep what has been gained.
Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare: all hardly perfect, but imagine a world with these visionary services.
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Bernie Sanders should know that he’s now getting further away from having influence in the Democratic Party instead of closer. While he was running a positive campaign, the Democratic establishment and the registered Democratic voters had a lot of positive things to say about him. His influence continued to grow until he not only started to personally attack Hillary Clinton but also the entire Democratic establishment included elected officials. He’s making it clear that his becoming a Democrat was nothing but a shame. He wanted to use the party and now he’s bitter and angry that everything didn’t go his way. He doesn’t care about the party so there’s no need for the party to care about him. If Trump becomes President Sanders will be reviled and he’ll have even less influence with Democrats than Ralph Nader has now.
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Is Bernie a Democrat or not?
Why the sudden interest in the workings of a party he never belonged to in the first place?
When the smoke clears and he is not the nominee, will he campaign for Democrats or revert back to his previous position as an Independent?
Bernie took his shot and has come up short. If he's a team player, he throws his support behind the front runner and works for the benefit of the party.
If he's not a team player, I guess he continues to do what he is doing; playing the spoiler and hoping that external forces somehow take Hillary out of the race.
The thing is, he could play it smart. He could suspend his campaign and stump for Hillary while holding himself out as Plan B if Hillary is taken down. That would be a win-win for everyone.
Unfortunately, I guess Bernie isn't that smart. That or he just has a personal animosity towards Hillary, or maybe the Democratic Party in general, and is determined to do whatever he can to drag her and the party down.
Why the sudden interest in the workings of a party he never belonged to in the first place?
When the smoke clears and he is not the nominee, will he campaign for Democrats or revert back to his previous position as an Independent?
Bernie took his shot and has come up short. If he's a team player, he throws his support behind the front runner and works for the benefit of the party.
If he's not a team player, I guess he continues to do what he is doing; playing the spoiler and hoping that external forces somehow take Hillary out of the race.
The thing is, he could play it smart. He could suspend his campaign and stump for Hillary while holding himself out as Plan B if Hillary is taken down. That would be a win-win for everyone.
Unfortunately, I guess Bernie isn't that smart. That or he just has a personal animosity towards Hillary, or maybe the Democratic Party in general, and is determined to do whatever he can to drag her and the party down.
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This is the wrong campaign for the wrong year. There is only one goal of importance this year, beating nominee trump. Sanders and Clinton need to sit down, face to face and plan out how to defeat trump. Neither Sanders nor Clinton has a chance in hell of beating trump by themselves.
Sanders has failed to even come close to the enthusiasm of the Obama campaign. The dems aren't going to the polls. Sanders may be electing trump single handily by bringing Clinton down. I don't give a bleep what sex organ the Democrat possesses. I only care that a trump presidency is a guarantee that America will lose what makes her great. Trump is barely an American... True patriots don't behave the way he does. They don't prefer showmanship over facts and truths.
The ONLY think that matters is stopping trump. Even if there was some sort of political revolution going on with Sanders followers, it is trumped by trumps fanboys. Stop the madness. Democrats must work together. This is not a normal year. It's not ok to run a statement campaign. The stakes are too high, period.
Sanders has failed to even come close to the enthusiasm of the Obama campaign. The dems aren't going to the polls. Sanders may be electing trump single handily by bringing Clinton down. I don't give a bleep what sex organ the Democrat possesses. I only care that a trump presidency is a guarantee that America will lose what makes her great. Trump is barely an American... True patriots don't behave the way he does. They don't prefer showmanship over facts and truths.
The ONLY think that matters is stopping trump. Even if there was some sort of political revolution going on with Sanders followers, it is trumped by trumps fanboys. Stop the madness. Democrats must work together. This is not a normal year. It's not ok to run a statement campaign. The stakes are too high, period.
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If Tick Segerblom's comment (is it a threat or a prediction?) holds true, then we may unfortunately witness a repeat of the 1968 Democratic Convention and the subsequent election of a Republican law-and-order president.
This behavior indicates the kind single minded narcissism exhibited by Ralph Nader. And we all know how that turned out. This system of governance is not suitable for zealots of any stripe. Now, please pack it in before the country pays a too steep price for this nonsense.
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initially Sanders came on the scene with gusto and ideas, albeit somewhat inflated and would almost certainly never pass if came to the floor of the house. He now has shown himself to be simply a grumpy old man. Whether of not his intention is to promote his agenda and insert that into the party's platform or he's just frustrated, he is going to hurt his party and it's chances to keep the white house. If Trump's call is for America First, Sanders' call should be party first and encourage his supporters to back the convention's nominee.
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Am I wrong or is The Sanders campaign being taken over by media consultants and political operatives who want to keep the donations flowing so that they continue to draw their pay checks? This NYT article certainly emphasizes the money grubbers in the Sanders campaign. But of course I do not hold Senator Sanders responsible for the questionable motives of his staffers and organizers.
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Why isn't Old Bernie responsible? If he's not responsible for his hirelings' actions and words, who is? Where does the buck stop, if not with the candidate? If Old Bernie were President, would you hold him responsible or not?
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As with most voters in the US, those who disrupted the Nevada convention are barking up the wrong tree. The US presidential process is rigged from the start by essentially closing out all but two parties. Neither Mr Trump nor Senator Sanders ought to have been running in their respective parties. The RNC got ambushed by its own rules and its courting of the Tea Party a few years back. The DNC avoided this spectacle by stacking the deck with super-delegates and creating the illusion that the public had a say. Now they are paying the price by having Senator Sanders in a race he cannot win, and many of his supporters were taken in by the illusion of democracy where none existed.
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I'm a small-tech-business owner in California, and have decided recently to vote for Hillary rather than Sanders. Although like many I've found the Sanders rhetoric exciting and thought-provoking, after watching two interviews where he was unable to elaborate on how he would implement the changes he espouses, I'm a bit turned off. At least I know where Hillary stands on things - her views on things that are important to me have been long standing, like health care and fairer taxes. I'm not looking for just "breaking things up", nor am I looking for stronger unions (god forbid) - I'm looking for stronger and intelligent anti-trust laws and an overhaul of the tax system - changes that will gradually improve the fairness of our "system".
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Democrats live in a bubble. They think there are only two types of voters, Democrats or Republican. Shock! There are far more others than either Democrats or Republicans. One of the two party's is bound to figure out that to win the White House or any seat in Congress, they better embrace and represent independents or risk becoming irrelevant.
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Politics in politics, what a shock for Bernie Sanders. If he were to win the White House, but grid lock remains in Congress because the Republicans maintain control, then what liberal legislation would he sign? At this point it seems like he would prefer to sacrifice his vision by disrupting the ability of the party to organize than work collaboratively with the Democratic establishment. If that is just his vanity, then that is the mark of a true politician. No change there.
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Hillary Clinton is living through a fourth campaign for the presidency…two of her husband's and two of her own. I think it's pretty remarkable that with all of her advantages, money and clout, and with a test run in 2008, she hasn't been able to seal the deal thus far.
Obama may have accidentally hit the nail on the head when he said she was "likable enough."
There is a emotional gap. She might have been able to move the needle of public opinion if she hadn't spent the past three years fattening her wallet with speeches and book advances.
I think she's all theater, no real passion.
Anyway, California or bust!
Obama may have accidentally hit the nail on the head when he said she was "likable enough."
There is a emotional gap. She might have been able to move the needle of public opinion if she hadn't spent the past three years fattening her wallet with speeches and book advances.
I think she's all theater, no real passion.
Anyway, California or bust!
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This would be funny if it weren't so tragically ironic. The "outsiders" vs. the "establishment" rationale just doesn't make any sense. If you want to break the deadlock in Washington, our elected representatives have to learn to compromise for the greater good. Yet here we have one party's candidate who is completely unprincipled to trust, and another party's candidate who is entirely too principled to compromise. Neither one will succeed at making our democracy work again. Like it or not, Hillary is the only candidate capable of negotiating with both sides of the aisle.
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Hillary may be the Anointed One of the DNC but if she is so popular, where are her rallies? Where are her marches? Every single primary she's won has had election malfeasance and Nevada (covered badly by all the MSM although video of what went on was plentiful and out there) is a prime example. Sanders voters have every reason to be outraged and so does he. It will be interesting to see, if Bernie is not successful in gaining the nomination, how many of his followers will vote for Hillary. I think the DNC has gambled badly here.
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Bernie Sanders should run as an independent as some have suggested if the Democratic party keeps unfairly antagonizing his quest for the democratic nomination in all ways possible and by interjecting the super delegates. The super delegates should be neutralized by distribution of delegates based on the votes in the primaries or caucuses. Frankly, Bernie will stand a better chance to be president of the USA if runs as an independent.
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If Obama slipped from "progressive" to centrist after the election, Clinton would be far worse. She starts out having neocon views on foreign policy and has already kissed the ring on Kissinger's finger. She is in the pocket of Wall Street supporting fossil fuel instead of combating climate change, supporting health insurance corporations instead of universal health care, and supporting arms manufacturers with military adventurism.
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Another overlooked fact from this week's voting: 1.3% voted for Martin O'Malley, who hasn't been in the race for months, .4% voted for someone I never heard of, and a whopping 5.3% voted for "Other." So a total of 7% of those who voted in Kentucky rejected both of the remaining Democratic candidates, and the rest of them split almost completely evenly (Hillary won by .5%). On the same day, Bernie won Oregon by 12%, yet the media, including the New York Times, cast him as a spoiler. Personally I'm very happy with the possibility of Bernie as the nominee, but Democrats might have had more choices if the party bosses hadn't pushed for Hillary from the get-go and thereby discouraged other, better candidates from running.
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Just confirming everything I thought about the man from the minute I heard him speak. Meanwhile he refuses to release his tax returns and he criticizes Clinton for money she made for giving speeches as a private citizen. His wife on the other hand ran a college into the ground and might be guilty of fraud. For that she was paid $200,000. Hmmmmm. Which is actually something to criticize?
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There are revolutions underway already, and they don't require anything but for politicians to understand and be of some assistance. Political leadership isn't necessary for revolutions in technology, energy, and even in capitalism itself. However, political obstruction is guaranteed, and if the Sanders campaign is hell-bent on cropping the Democrats, then the GOP will surely succeed in its agenda to obstruct and delay and interfere these changes.
I want him out of this. He isn't helping anyone but Trump.
I want him out of this. He isn't helping anyone but Trump.
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Clinton is barely keeping head above water at this point. How is she going to win the general if she is so vulnerable to Sanders arguments about the issues? He has never attacked her character. Sanders has been respectful. Trump will unload the full arsenal at her in the general, and it won't be pretty.
And yet Sanders faced the full onslaught of "socialism" attacks from the Right and emerged completely unscathed. Sanders knows the issues. Trump doesn't. It is pretty obvious who we should support in the general: Bernie Sanders.
This media spin on violence from Sanders supporters has no factual basis, and is a hard reaction from a Sanders win in Oregon and a tie in Kentucky. Clinton fanatics are terrified that she will lose the general, as they should be.
And yet Sanders faced the full onslaught of "socialism" attacks from the Right and emerged completely unscathed. Sanders knows the issues. Trump doesn't. It is pretty obvious who we should support in the general: Bernie Sanders.
This media spin on violence from Sanders supporters has no factual basis, and is a hard reaction from a Sanders win in Oregon and a tie in Kentucky. Clinton fanatics are terrified that she will lose the general, as they should be.
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Sanders isn’t harming Clinton, she’s doing it herself. I am a lifelong Democrat, and Hillary was my senator in NY. She did a great job for New Yorkers and I voted for her twice. She has lots of experience but her judgment in the foreign policy arena and record as Sec. of State scare me as much as what Trump is proposing at home. If she is elected and gets the no-fly zone in Syria she wants, I fear we may see WWIII with Russia. I am appalled at her actions in Libya, the "We came, we saw, he died" attitude toward intervention in the Middle East, and her blind support for Netanyahu. The idea of her as commander in chief frightens me as much as Trump picking Supreme Court justices. These are just some of the reasons so many Dems and Independents don't support her - not that we've drunk the Republican koolaid or want "free stuff" but because we genuinely object to the direction that her record suggests this country will take. She must do more than just throw some chum to Sanders supporters to “unify the party” because if she is the nominee, my vote in November, and those of many other non-supporters, will come down to voting against the candidate we believe will do the most damage--Trump at home or her abroad--or perhaps even staying home. I am glad HRC supporters feel confident and comfortable with the idea of her at the helm, but she scares the hell out of many Democrats and Independents who don't share that view. This needs to change if she really wants to be president.
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I've read over a thousand of these comments and I've come to this conclusion.
You people are INSANE !!!
Trump is the worst person ever to get this far in a Presidential election. Period.
This guy is so dangerous to the country and so likely to start multiple wars that we ultimately start losing, that everyone for Sanders or Clinton need to stop taking shots at each other and stop taking shots at the candidates and the system and figure out how to tone it down and win this election together.
If that means the second place finisher gets to be VP, or gets to be a Supreme Court justice, or if it means no more primaries closed to Independents, or no more caucuses, then get it done and patch this up.
And not in July ... patch this up NOW.
You people are INSANE !!!
Trump is the worst person ever to get this far in a Presidential election. Period.
This guy is so dangerous to the country and so likely to start multiple wars that we ultimately start losing, that everyone for Sanders or Clinton need to stop taking shots at each other and stop taking shots at the candidates and the system and figure out how to tone it down and win this election together.
If that means the second place finisher gets to be VP, or gets to be a Supreme Court justice, or if it means no more primaries closed to Independents, or no more caucuses, then get it done and patch this up.
And not in July ... patch this up NOW.
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We're not falling for this journalistic bias here in California. Sorry.
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I gave Bernie Sanders $50 at the beginning of his campaign. I would not do so today. Apparently all these folks, and especially Bernie himself, don't understand that fundamentally his continuing attacks on Clinton are motivated by misogyny. This is not a new trend, nor a new thought. It's been getting more and more obvious in the last few months. This is very base.
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Patrick seems to have gotten the headline backward. The article should have been titled: "Hillary Isn’t Afraid to Harm Sanders Bid, Advisers Say". Recent poll numbers show Sander's the clear winner in a national race against Trump while Hillary is only going to sink the DNC. The DNC needs to get a grip on reality and realize that if they continue to disenfranchise the core of their party, that they are committing political suicide. Hopefully, the California results in 2 weeks will bring them to their senses.
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Hillary harms Hillary. I will NOT vote for corruption, it's that SIMPLE. Being female I want to some day see a female president, but not this one. She done herself in. Her money laundering with the Clinton Foundation, and these e-mails are all HER doing. Nobody told her to break the rules, she did this all on her own. She knew she was going to run for president, why do these things? Because she can't help herself. We don't need this misguided and corrupt woman in the White House. She's also a pathological liar.
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Catch 22: not voting for the Democratic nominee is a vote for Corruption.
You're going to get more corruption by not voting for Clinton than you would by voting for her.
Trump admitted to trying to bribe Clinton. The story goes that he asked them for illegal favors, they refused, and he swore revenge.
That's why the man who once said "I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president or vice-president." now says "'The only thing she's got going is the woman's card' "
You're going to get more corruption by not voting for Clinton than you would by voting for her.
Trump admitted to trying to bribe Clinton. The story goes that he asked them for illegal favors, they refused, and he swore revenge.
That's why the man who once said "I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president or vice-president." now says "'The only thing she's got going is the woman's card' "
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The more I learn about this guy and his ego the more I dislike him, That goes double for his supporters.
He's another idiot like Nadar, anyone really miss that fool? Didn't think so
He's another idiot like Nadar, anyone really miss that fool? Didn't think so
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Funny how Sander's supporters are crying foul over rules now that their nominee is losing. Rules are rules people! They were known well before the democratic primaries got underway. You can't change the goal post just because your team is losing.
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Re the polls showing Bernie doing so well against Trump. Two points are relevant: 1) the Republicans have yet to attack Bernie directly, wisely preferring to let Bernie do his Nader thing; 2) the Bernie partisans in their belief that nobody could possibly find grounds for attacking their Leader seem to fondly imagine that the Republicans would come under Bernie's spell and not go negative - yeah, like I'll beat Carlsen at chess.
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Any candidate who might have the support of the Koch Brothers would not have my vote. A misogynist racist wouldn't have my vote, either. I prefer candidates who aren't racist, misogynist, and beholden to corporations.
That would be Mr. Sanders.
That would be Mr. Sanders.
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Look a little closer... I thInk Sanders is a misogynist.
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Bernie should stay in the race. It's his right. But he'd damn well better keep it all above the belt from here on in. If he's not fighting clean, then he's not the man I thought he was. And if that's the case, he's nobody to believe in.
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Could we be seeing the impact of the paid trolls of Correct the Record coming to bear? Not that the media needed any prodding, but the NYT comments have changed radically since Correct the Record pumped 1M into paid Clinton trolls. Worth noting that these trolls only attack Sanders and do little to attract people to Hillary.
Also worth noting that Hillary's people are accusing Bernie of the very same tactics she engaged in during the 2008 campaign. Perhaps her people never stopped using those tactics? Something is amiss here and I smell dirty politics.
Also worth noting that Hillary's people are accusing Bernie of the very same tactics she engaged in during the 2008 campaign. Perhaps her people never stopped using those tactics? Something is amiss here and I smell dirty politics.
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This political campaign makes me want to vomit. It's not the first time I've wanted to vomit (I'm almost 61 years old) but the urge is stronger than I can remember (except maybe for McCain/Palin). I recently traveled to Haiti on a medical mission trip. If it weren't for the fact that I couldn't take my family or my dogs with me, I'd go back in a skinny minute. I'm so tired of this so-called "developed" country.
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Anyone get a load of Trump's list of Supreme Court candidates? Yes? Good, that should be enough for you to understand that it's time to get behind the candidate whose won millions more votes than your candidate and start opposing the monster that is the current GOP. Make no mistake about it, Bernie Sanders would wither in the general once all of his zany ideas and past positions are brought out by Republican attack dogs. Fox News, for one, would have enough material to run a different set of talking points every week from now until November. Hillary's faults, by contrast, are all well-known and are already baked into her numbers.
You must pause for a moment and consider what's on the line here: as many as 3 picks to the Supreme Court, a disaster for the climate, and the possible election of a guy whose goal in life is winning attention for himself, an insecure liar who doesn't understand even basic civics, foreign policy and economics.
For the good of the world, California, pull the lever for Clinton and send Sanders home.
You must pause for a moment and consider what's on the line here: as many as 3 picks to the Supreme Court, a disaster for the climate, and the possible election of a guy whose goal in life is winning attention for himself, an insecure liar who doesn't understand even basic civics, foreign policy and economics.
For the good of the world, California, pull the lever for Clinton and send Sanders home.
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It appears to me that the real story here is not so much Sanders becoming aggressive as it is Clinton becoming defensive. Sanders is delivering the same message he has delivered for the entire campaign. But she-who-must-not-be-criticized does not like it. She thinks it should stop now.
What she does not understand is that -- unlike herself -- Sanders and his supporters actually mean what they say about changing the campaign finance system. Clinton takes money from Wall Street and pretends that she is going to change the system. Sanders takes no money from Wall Street and is entirely serious about reforming it. The ten million people who voted for Sanders are sick and tired of the way our political system works. They'll do what they have to do to change it. Get used to it.
What she does not understand is that -- unlike herself -- Sanders and his supporters actually mean what they say about changing the campaign finance system. Clinton takes money from Wall Street and pretends that she is going to change the system. Sanders takes no money from Wall Street and is entirely serious about reforming it. The ten million people who voted for Sanders are sick and tired of the way our political system works. They'll do what they have to do to change it. Get used to it.
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I’m beginning to believe Bernie Sanders isn’t quite as bright as he and his campaign want us to believe. Instead, it seems clearer day by day that his managers — Jim Weaver and Tad Devine — are running the show. They’re the ones who have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Filling Bernie’s head, and the heads of his disciples, with visions of winning the nomination when it’s long gone, enables them to keep on pulling down huge fees. The cheers of the crowds are intoxicating, no doubt. But we need a President with the mental and emotional smarts to stay on the healthy side of reality.
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Same old same-o from NYT. Unite behind Hillary, Bernie not cooperating, out of control. I'm scared still, as I have been all along, of the militarism and greed of Clinton; want to hear Bernie right up to the convention. His Movement will continue despite NYT and Goldman-Sachs and all the rest of it. Even without Trump, we are lapsing into fascism, with no government in sight that cares even a jot for common citizens, the abused earth, or nuclear war with Russia or China. Very dangerous times -- we MUST have sane people like Sanders leading the conversation and helping us understand what is happening to us.
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Sanders is the lowest of the low as we saw in Nevada. What a system he has.
1. Tell your cult-like followers the system is rigged against us.
2. Watch them riot and scream and threaten Democratic women.
3. During your statement which should be an *apology* instead repeat the conspiracy and smear-mongering even though it is completely FALSE.
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/alle...
He's deliberately using his more unhinged followers to create controversy and a story that he's being cheated. Sanders is fundamentally anti-democratic and willing to use a goon squad to try to gain power when he can't get the votes.
And it's a pathetic joke when Sanders complains about favoritism, since his entire career is the result of favoritism:
http://www.shakesville.com/2016/05/its-pretty-rich-for-bernie-sanders-to...
1. Tell your cult-like followers the system is rigged against us.
2. Watch them riot and scream and threaten Democratic women.
3. During your statement which should be an *apology* instead repeat the conspiracy and smear-mongering even though it is completely FALSE.
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/alle...
He's deliberately using his more unhinged followers to create controversy and a story that he's being cheated. Sanders is fundamentally anti-democratic and willing to use a goon squad to try to gain power when he can't get the votes.
And it's a pathetic joke when Sanders complains about favoritism, since his entire career is the result of favoritism:
http://www.shakesville.com/2016/05/its-pretty-rich-for-bernie-sanders-to...
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I have donated to the Sanders campaign and now find myself regretting my wholly unintended support for Donald Trump.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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Ralph Nader had a message and Bernie together with his right hand man Jeff Weaver has none. All they are doing is causing chaotic disruption and stirring up their followers .
All these will have serious consequences in the upcoming election when Trump will become the President.
All these will have serious consequences in the upcoming election when Trump will become the President.
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Sanders has received 3 million fewer votes than Secretary Clinton despite not being attacked by anyone and having spent more money and benefiting from the unfair caucus process. So why is he whining so much?
BTW, why did he renege on releasing his tax returns? what is he hiding?
BTW, why did he renege on releasing his tax returns? what is he hiding?
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“The only thing that matters is what happens between now and June 14,” Mr. Devine said, referring to the final Democratic primary, in the District of Columbia. “We have to put the blinders on and focus on the best case to make in the upcoming states...”
O.M.G. Make that bold and caps if you can. Never were intentions and actions so wrong. It just makes me angry. Sanders is caught up in his own fever and has seemingly become so driven by his own ideology that he’s, for lack of better terms, kind of a lunatic right now. It isn’t heroic, it isn’t what most people want if you look at the numbers (of just Democrats, wait until Republicans share). It is absolutely 10% putting on blinders and he’s hurting the Democrats. Trump is already spending money on attacking Hillary, he’s already backed of another flimsy promise (remember when they called Kerry a flip-flopper?) of funding his own campaign and more money is coming his way. Hillary has to fight on two fronts -- one being from inside her own party!!! So yeah, Sanders is hurting our collective chances to keep Trump out of the White House and I already don’t forgive him.
O.M.G. Make that bold and caps if you can. Never were intentions and actions so wrong. It just makes me angry. Sanders is caught up in his own fever and has seemingly become so driven by his own ideology that he’s, for lack of better terms, kind of a lunatic right now. It isn’t heroic, it isn’t what most people want if you look at the numbers (of just Democrats, wait until Republicans share). It is absolutely 10% putting on blinders and he’s hurting the Democrats. Trump is already spending money on attacking Hillary, he’s already backed of another flimsy promise (remember when they called Kerry a flip-flopper?) of funding his own campaign and more money is coming his way. Hillary has to fight on two fronts -- one being from inside her own party!!! So yeah, Sanders is hurting our collective chances to keep Trump out of the White House and I already don’t forgive him.
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I see. Setting up a scapegoat if Hillary loses in November. I suggest you turn your attention instead to the mismanagement - actually, malmanagement if there is such a word - of the primary campaign by DNC Chair Debbie Wassermann-Schultz. She did not even pretend to be neutral. And I'm not the only that thinks so:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/19/liberal-pundit...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/19/liberal-pundit...
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The lopsidedness of the reporting this week and the comments to this article are truly freaky. Please somebody expose this Correct The Record nonsense and what is happening here today. This spike in "correcting" activity just validates that the suspicions of it are well founded.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-...
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I have posted a lot of comments pointing out the misinformation in posts by the more irrational Bernie supporters, such as the charge that her sixteen percent lead in New York was because of stolen votes, or at the riot in Nevada, where she got a clear majority of the votes but protesters were upset that she got a majority of the delegates. If other people are getting paid for posts like mine, I'd like to find out how to get paid for mine, which express honest opinions not detached from reality in the fashion of too many pro-Bernie posts.
Wow! There seems to be almost as much contention among Democrats or those leaning left as there is on the right or between the two parties. I don't know what's so hard to understand about Bernie's desire to see that every American gets a chance to express their political wishes. Sure he wants to win and is waging a tough fight but why should the votes of people in Iowa or New Hampshire or any of the other states be more important than the people of CA or Washington DC? What's up people? Don't you REALLY believe in democracy? Why, in the face of a daunting uphill fight, should Bernie Sanders capitulate or just roll over? It's absolutely unAmerican! Would we expect the same of our sports teams? Should losing baseball teams give up in the 9th inning or losing football teams not fight to win in the 4th quarter? I don't get it. Why should political races, which are significantly more important than either of these examples, be any different? Give the man some credit - not to mention the ten million people who voted for him and want to see him win.
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First, he may have gotten nearly ten million votes, but Hillary has gotten over thirteen million. Second, promoting false charges of fraud and illegitimacy of actual outcomes is only destructive and helps the fascist Trump, whose election a surprising number of Bernie supporters are blase about.
I am NOT blase about Trump - even a little bit and I was a Hillary supporter in 2008 before I became an Obama supporter. And I will support Hillary to the end, if she is the nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016. So HRC has 13 million votes to Bernie's 10 million. Still CA and NJ among others have a lot of voters. Why shouldn't their votes count? And, who knows, maybe Bernie will "catch up" even if he doesn't get all the pledged delegates he needs by the convention. I don't really know what you mean by "promoting false charges of fraud and illegitimacy of actual outcomes". Sanders is just stating his case as forcefully as he can. I don't think he's crossed any ethical boundaries and if he's made people more aware of the issues that are important to 90+ percent of the population, what's wrong with that? At the end of the day, when CA, NJ, Washington DC and the rest get to have their say, American democracy will be the better for it.
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Hillary is going to wipe the floor with this opportunistic carpetbagger. Bring it on.
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I became a Democrat in 1968, because of Robert F. Kennedy. Bernie Sanders is the first candidate in 48 years to reflect my values in his platform. That's a long time to wait, & I really don't think I have another 48 years to me. It's why so many of us refuse to give up & give in. We want OUR voices & concerns heard & maybe even acted upon? Is that unreasonable?
Apparently so. I keep reading how Sanders is a "spoiler" (he's not running as 3rd party, so no), how his followers are rude & violent (read some of the refutations of the past weekend's coverage - shouting yes, airborne chairs no), we're unrealistic, & we're not Democrats. That last one I'll give you - we aren't like the current crop of Dems, just as the current crop of Republicans aren't even close to being "Conservative". We harken back to the FDR Democratic Party, where the workers & citizenry as a whole were the concern & what the government worked for. We aren't "centrists" & don't want that to be the definition of our Party. "We'll get more votes!" I'm told. Think so? Why do you think the Democratic turnout is so low? No candidates for us. I'm tired of having to vote for Not A Republican.
No matter what the Clinton followers think, HRC WILL NOT win the Presidency without us. I know she's courting the disaffected Republicans right now - how about courting the Sanders followers & listen to our concerns, instead of saying "I have more votes"? You don't have ALL the votes. And, Henry Kissinger. Really, Hillary?
Apparently so. I keep reading how Sanders is a "spoiler" (he's not running as 3rd party, so no), how his followers are rude & violent (read some of the refutations of the past weekend's coverage - shouting yes, airborne chairs no), we're unrealistic, & we're not Democrats. That last one I'll give you - we aren't like the current crop of Dems, just as the current crop of Republicans aren't even close to being "Conservative". We harken back to the FDR Democratic Party, where the workers & citizenry as a whole were the concern & what the government worked for. We aren't "centrists" & don't want that to be the definition of our Party. "We'll get more votes!" I'm told. Think so? Why do you think the Democratic turnout is so low? No candidates for us. I'm tired of having to vote for Not A Republican.
No matter what the Clinton followers think, HRC WILL NOT win the Presidency without us. I know she's courting the disaffected Republicans right now - how about courting the Sanders followers & listen to our concerns, instead of saying "I have more votes"? You don't have ALL the votes. And, Henry Kissinger. Really, Hillary?
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Very disappointing and dangerous way to end a great run. What was originally a healthy movement in our democracy has become a populist propaganda and othering-fueled mob.
I don't feel the Bern anymore.
I don't feel the Bern anymore.
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It is a good sign that the youth of this nation (including my own educated children) have heard the call of Senator Sander's trumpets just as Hillary Rodham and I--both in our twenties, heard the call from Senator George McGovern. In her mid-twenties, Hillary managed the McGovern campaign in Texas and if anyone thinks the deck is somehow stacked now, remember that Richard M. Nixon was Senator McGovern's opponent. The outcome was horrendous for the Nation.
However, Senator McGovern like Senator Sanders was the kind of man that makes me optimistic about the future of the nation. Both of them join the ranks of men like Hubert Humphrey, Eugene McCarthy, Howard Dean, and Robert F. Kennedy who have inspired generations of Democrats to carry on the promise of the ongoing American Revolution but did not win the Presidency. But all to the man including Senator Sanders, have made it possible that we have elected a Black President and are about to elect a woman as President.
Hillary Clinton is battle scared and vetted and she may be the most qualified presidential candidate in history. I say there is no better qualification among many qualifications she has than the list of the enemies she has made. Because of discrimination against women which is alive and well in this country she has had to go beyond and above any of her opponents to ready herself for this ordeal, and with Senator Sanders' help she will win.
However, Senator McGovern like Senator Sanders was the kind of man that makes me optimistic about the future of the nation. Both of them join the ranks of men like Hubert Humphrey, Eugene McCarthy, Howard Dean, and Robert F. Kennedy who have inspired generations of Democrats to carry on the promise of the ongoing American Revolution but did not win the Presidency. But all to the man including Senator Sanders, have made it possible that we have elected a Black President and are about to elect a woman as President.
Hillary Clinton is battle scared and vetted and she may be the most qualified presidential candidate in history. I say there is no better qualification among many qualifications she has than the list of the enemies she has made. Because of discrimination against women which is alive and well in this country she has had to go beyond and above any of her opponents to ready herself for this ordeal, and with Senator Sanders' help she will win.
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One aspect I find very interesting in this political season has been the absence of negative campaigning against the outsider candidates. The far-right Republicans were afraid to attack Trump for fear of offending his supporters, and the Democrats never really said anything at all about the seventeen Republican candidates. Now the Clinton campaign is worried about offending Sanders's supporters, and the Republicans are gleeful at the damage Sanders is inflicting on the democratic party (to which he has never belonged). What happens to Senator Sanders when the strategists go negative? Would it even matter to his supporters, after they have invested so much into this man? Will the Sanders crowd show up to vote for Clinton?
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There is a psychological and cultural crackup unfolding in America, shattering the old rules of the game and smashing the credibility of pundits. The latest polls--see RealClearPolitics--should be taken seriously. One thing now seems clear: if Clinton is the nominee without a running mate like Elizabeth Warren, perhaps even with Warren as VP candidate, the Democrats will lose.
Clinton is seen--and rightly so--as THE candidate a modern melange of corporate, legal, financial, media, and real estate elites. She is a lighting rod for the anger of vast portions of a nation that has been battered and deceived. Many white union members who would vote for Bernie will not vote for Clinton. Many of what one might call "moderate" racists would vote for Bernie over Clinton. There is a large fringe of the Trump milieu who would be reachable by something that looked like Sanders and Warren, but who will not vote for Clinton.
To the Democratic delegates to the Convention: I beg you to open your eyes, put your ears to the ground, and smell the coffee. You must act in unexpected, unconventional ways. As things look now Clinton is a sure loser.
This is a most dangerous time in our nation's history.
Clinton is seen--and rightly so--as THE candidate a modern melange of corporate, legal, financial, media, and real estate elites. She is a lighting rod for the anger of vast portions of a nation that has been battered and deceived. Many white union members who would vote for Bernie will not vote for Clinton. Many of what one might call "moderate" racists would vote for Bernie over Clinton. There is a large fringe of the Trump milieu who would be reachable by something that looked like Sanders and Warren, but who will not vote for Clinton.
To the Democratic delegates to the Convention: I beg you to open your eyes, put your ears to the ground, and smell the coffee. You must act in unexpected, unconventional ways. As things look now Clinton is a sure loser.
This is a most dangerous time in our nation's history.
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I used to respect Bernie as an honorable man with whom I had some policy disagreements (I am a Hillary supporter.). No more. He now behaving despicably and utterly irresponsibly. Saying that the DNC must earn the support of his acolytes when the alternative is Donald Trump is beyond rational understanding. His policy seems to be one of mutually assured destruction (of himself and the US and maybe the world).
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Bernie Sanders has been a minor player whose ego out striped his abilities long ago but has now found a way to promote his ego by parading himself on the national level as a champion of those who want to do good, but are so consumed with an ideology that does not ever have a chance of success in this right wing country. What the misguided utopians think they are the champions of the common person,they are in the process of helping elect the right wing clown, Trump, whose list of potential Supreme Court Justices should serve as a warning of the damage Sanders is doing if he continues an impossible quest to damage Hillary and the Democratic Party that he has never belonged to and should have never been allowed to serve as a candidate for the party he refused to join. Do these misguided people really want the likes of Sarah Palin , or one of equally totally absurd supporters, serving in high level position in a Trump government ?Or maybe a Sharron Angle serving as Secretary of State or Jeff Sessions, a man from the most reactionary, corrupt and racist state in the nation. Maybe a Sharron Angle as, say, the Secretary of State, or Sessions as VP. There are going to be as many as four or even five Supreme Court Justices appointed in the next few years, and one shudders at the thought if an incompetent, ignorant, racist, bigot appointing the same types as he. Sanders and his misguided minions should stand down for the good of the country NOW!
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It perhaps ought to concern us that we're buying into the media's self-interest in pumping this election up as a mere horse race, rather than anything important like a fight between different principles and programs.
It certainly ought to bother some of us that we apparently think our ideological purity is a lot more important than getting anything done, let alone way more important than all the people who haven't the educational and economic privilege of goofing around posting on the Times.
It certainly ought to bother some of us that we apparently think our ideological purity is a lot more important than getting anything done, let alone way more important than all the people who haven't the educational and economic privilege of goofing around posting on the Times.
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I find no proof that Sanders himself is "willing to harm Hillary," but I did find at least anti-Sanders 4 headlines on this online page.
Desperately, shamelessly biased coverage of this primary season by the Times.
Desperately, shamelessly biased coverage of this primary season by the Times.
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Absolutely agree. I've lost faith in the NYT. This was not journalism. The article is replete with unsubstantiated claims and reeks of bias, as has been the case with mainstream media throughout this campaign.
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This is what's going to happen. If Sanders is going to call the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton corrupt now and then ask his supporters to vote for Clinton it's not believable. If Hillary Clinton / the Democratic Party are corrupt to Bernie Sanders on May 20 then they are corrupt on July 20.
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were some berneites were out of line, you need to watch the video to understand what they were reacting to, A party chair who ignored a voice vote outcome and called it against bernie supporters.
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I would urge your reporters to read their own lede on the Sanders/Clinton race:
"Defiant and determined to transform the Democratic Party, Senator Bernie Sanders is opening a two-month phase of his presidential campaign aimed at inflicting a heavy blow on Hillary Clinton in California and amassing enough leverage to advance his agenda at the convention in July — or even wrest the nomination from her."
Perhaps they are unfamiliar with the primary process, in which two or more candidates vie for the party's nod in the general election. Senator Sanders, with more than respectable numbers, is really attempting to become the Democratic Party's national candidate. This appears to astonish your reporters.
"Defiant and determined to transform the Democratic Party, Senator Bernie Sanders is opening a two-month phase of his presidential campaign aimed at inflicting a heavy blow on Hillary Clinton in California and amassing enough leverage to advance his agenda at the convention in July — or even wrest the nomination from her."
Perhaps they are unfamiliar with the primary process, in which two or more candidates vie for the party's nod in the general election. Senator Sanders, with more than respectable numbers, is really attempting to become the Democratic Party's national candidate. This appears to astonish your reporters.
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People are missing the point. Bernie is staying in the race because the ONLY way things will change in the Democratic party is IF he continues to push an agenda that appeals to the base that WILL continue to keep democrats in office - young voters. When voter turnout is low, Republicans normally win. Hilary will have a tough time in 2020 if she can't excite the base to come out and vote. She is not the best candidate to be President. Frankly, I don't know that Sanders is, but with the selection of candidates, he is the best choice. His policies won't even pass a democratic congress and senate, but his platform of equality for all resonates with young people. We are not thinking free xxx because those plans wouldn't even happen for at least a decade if they slim pass a democratic congress and senate (which they will never pass). He should continue to stay in the race and in fact, he should do everything he can to destroy Clinton. Hand the Presidency to Trump and watch the world explodes because of the corruption in the Democratic process and the overall election system in this country. Bernie supporters refuse to accept a candidate who doesn't give a damn about the people she claims to fight for. She represents everything that's wrong with this country's politics and to suggest we should "unite" the party to defeat a lesser evil sounds like this entire thing was rigged for Clinton from the start. He should continue to call her out on her countless lies and flip flops.
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This probably won't even get approved but this is slimy, bastardly journalism. Just so you know. The current american political system began with a revolution, and the time for more change is now, was yesterday.
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Choices, each with its caveats: Vote for HRC and continue the neoliberalism of the Triangulators or vote for Bernie and support the traditional progressiveness of FDR?
Being a traditionalist at heart I support Bernie. Enough with conservative or conservative lite...
Being a traditionalist at heart I support Bernie. Enough with conservative or conservative lite...
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Mr Sanders wants to "transform the Democratic Party," but he is not a Democrat and has never been a Democrat. It is as if someone enters your home and decides how the intruder wants you to live in that home.
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Would the Democrats please explain when they became the Party of Eternal War?
When did the Democrats officially adopt the neocon/liberal interventionist worldview?
Honestly, as an Independent, I thought the successful election of Obama was all about the rejection of the neocon philosophy. I was wrong.
Now it turns out the Dems have appropriated the neocon platform.
When did this happen?
Why am I supposed to be cool with this Death Machine?
Why is Bernie's anti-regime change position viewed as a "minor difference" with Hillary's aggressive militarism?
I wish more Democrats were capable of understanding that the Clinton Death Machine "We Came, We Saw, He DIED!" is just an absolute deal breaker for a whole lot of people.
Too bad we'll probably have to suffer through four years of president Trump to be rid of the Clintons.
If it means we don't create the next Libya, Syria, & Honduras, it is a price I will gratefully pay.
When did the Democrats officially adopt the neocon/liberal interventionist worldview?
Honestly, as an Independent, I thought the successful election of Obama was all about the rejection of the neocon philosophy. I was wrong.
Now it turns out the Dems have appropriated the neocon platform.
When did this happen?
Why am I supposed to be cool with this Death Machine?
Why is Bernie's anti-regime change position viewed as a "minor difference" with Hillary's aggressive militarism?
I wish more Democrats were capable of understanding that the Clinton Death Machine "We Came, We Saw, He DIED!" is just an absolute deal breaker for a whole lot of people.
Too bad we'll probably have to suffer through four years of president Trump to be rid of the Clintons.
If it means we don't create the next Libya, Syria, & Honduras, it is a price I will gratefully pay.
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Yet another heavily biased headline and an article full of attempts to dismiss the Sanders campaign...For cryin' out loud! How about an article depicting the real situation in Nevada? The NYT has continued to perpetuate false reports about the Nevada convention. This, sirs, is commonly known in plain language as lying. I refer you to the Danish tale entitled "The Emperor has no clothes." This applies only too well to the Gray Lady for many months now. As to "California polls," Bernie speaks to multitudes and HRC can't fill the smallest venue there.
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Amen.
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Look under that bush over there! Another Democratic party member out to kill Bernie's run for president!
I am so over Bernie.
I am so over Bernie.
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Bernie is willing to burn down the house - 'if I can't live there, nobody will'.
And will then have some precious moral argument why Trump isn't his fault.
And will then have some precious moral argument why Trump isn't his fault.
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NPR has now admitted that their reporting of the Nevada convention disruptions was incorrect in that there is no evidence of chair throwing in Nevada, and the so called "death threats" messages were incorrectly reported. When will the Times be retracting its repetition of those unsubstantiated statements which they are using to smear Sanders and his supporters?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
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Demands from Mrs. Clinton's supporters for Senator Sanders to drop out remind me of this sage observation by the late Phil Ochs: "Liberals are 10º to the left of center in good times but 10º to the right of center when it affects them personally."
These "liberals" are all in favor of democracy... BUT let's not go too far.
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These "liberals" are all in favor of democracy... BUT let's not go too far.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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It's really sad to see so many rank-and-file Bernie supporters transition into obnoxious #BernieBros, and another subset go full-blown #BernieBagger if not outright #BernVictims.
Maybe the minimum voting age should be 30.
Maybe the minimum voting age should be 30.
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And then you'd quickly find his appeal isn't exclusively applied to those under 30. Then what? Back to the drawing board...
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Bernie has no claim to the Democratic Party, a party he just joined a few months ago. His claims that the party is undemocratic and beholding to the interests of Wall Street is a lie and patently absurd. Remember that the last time the left took over the Democratic Party it resulted in the dissolution of the party's longstanding coalition of labor and progressives. That was a disaster for working people who have been paying the price for the last 40 years. It's time to get off your high horse, Bernie, and consider the needs of the nation before your personal political philosophy--or is it interests.
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The Clintons’ strategy, the old Democratic strategy, has been to divide whites into “good whites” and “bad whites,” and to make nonwhites so scared of what bad whites would do that nonwhites will tremble and gather behind the good whites, which leaves them in control, and they don’t have to keep one promise, because of the fear of something worse: everything in life depends on the mercy and generosity of good whites. You haven’t earned anything; it’s all at their sufferance. They pity you, maybe want to give you a break, or not; they control you. Older blacks accept this as the way things are; younger blacks fight it, or would if they knew how.
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I am reminded of the story of the Scorpion and the Frog. Bernie, why are you doing this? Is this just in your white, male nature? Is this what it now means to be authentic? The end of the Scorpion Frog story will now have to be revised : Trump wins.
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The Millennials. There are 75 million of them. They are about to tun the country. They despise all the candidates save one: Bernie. The ages of the commenters on this website are skewed to Gen X and the Boomers. Here's the memo you did't get: politics as usual has failed. Get on Youtube and watch all of Bernie's debates. He's a man of substance and decency. Ad hominem attacks will only lead to nonsense. Let's stick with the issues. And no, Trump doesn't get any votes out of Bernie's camp. But if HRC wins, you lose the millennials. They have witnessed the whole game being rigged, and they want out. We don't matter--the millennials do! BTW, what did HRC say to those Wall Street bankers for $6 million?
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Trump supporters in California: since Trump has the nomination sewn up, your best bet is to vote for Sanders, since every vote for him weakens Clinton. Remember that you can vote in the Democratic primary if you are either registered as a Democrat or as Undeclared (a.k.a. independent). If you are currently registered as a Republican, you have until May 23 to change your registration to Undeclared.
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"Bernie Sanders, Eyeing Convention, Willing to Harm Hillary Clinton in the Homestretch"
"Harm" Clinton's bid for the presidency? How so? By pointing out her inconsistent track record? By mentioning the millions she makes from giving speeches to Goldman Sachs? By quoting and bringing up her "Super Predator" comment? Or maybe, simply, by being in the race? Bernie Sanders' is many things, but right now he is the moral conscience of politics in our country and Clinton cannot compete.
Is this journalism fit to print? I'm glad to have canceled my subscription already. Even more glad that my millennial peers do not get their news from the NYTimes.
"Harm" Clinton's bid for the presidency? How so? By pointing out her inconsistent track record? By mentioning the millions she makes from giving speeches to Goldman Sachs? By quoting and bringing up her "Super Predator" comment? Or maybe, simply, by being in the race? Bernie Sanders' is many things, but right now he is the moral conscience of politics in our country and Clinton cannot compete.
Is this journalism fit to print? I'm glad to have canceled my subscription already. Even more glad that my millennial peers do not get their news from the NYTimes.
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Of course the Democratic Party establishment would like to see Sanders and his attempt at movement building become as tame and broken as the AFL-CIO which cannot even - or is it will not - issue a much needed independent Labor Day address.
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Transparently causing trouble gives one exactly how much credibility?
Face it, truly principled people know when to quit it in order to have their positions considered. Given there's very little space between Mr Sanders and Mrs Clinton on policy (never really was) it's appearing as the motivations behind this are not attached to much beyond ego.
And right about now he's blowing it. We're all BernedOut.
Face it, truly principled people know when to quit it in order to have their positions considered. Given there's very little space between Mr Sanders and Mrs Clinton on policy (never really was) it's appearing as the motivations behind this are not attached to much beyond ego.
And right about now he's blowing it. We're all BernedOut.
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My 20 year old son has been a Democrat longer than Senator Sanders has been. Bernie is an opportunist who is in danger of handing the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to a deranged egotist with zero experience. Any Sanders supporter who says they won't vote for Clinton is a plus for Trump.
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There is no polite way to express my disdain for Bernie Sanders and his deliberate sabotage of the Democrat Party. The kindest thing would be to throw him out of the Convention.
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Two things:
First, from one of the commenters here: "Bernie Sanders: Building on the accomplishments of the Nader Administration."
Gore did not lose to Bush because of Nader. Gore was saddled with the sleaze and baggage from the Clinton administration, just as McCain was tainted by W. Look it up. Plus Sanders in in the primary, Nader was running in the general election. Nader ran as a member of the Reform Party USA, which was founded by Ross Perot. If not for Perot winning 8% of the vote, Bill Clinton would have likely lost. So let's not speak of spoilers.
Secondly, I also keep seeing people complain about Sanders not being a Democrat. I'm 60, and have voted Democrat my whole life. But I've also seen what it means to be a Democrat change when Bill Clinton took office. The focus went from being champion of the middle and lower classes, to corporatism. Look at Clinton's decisions on NAFTA and repeal of Glass-Stegall and you'll get the idea. The current views of Democrats don't seem familiar.
As Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
First, from one of the commenters here: "Bernie Sanders: Building on the accomplishments of the Nader Administration."
Gore did not lose to Bush because of Nader. Gore was saddled with the sleaze and baggage from the Clinton administration, just as McCain was tainted by W. Look it up. Plus Sanders in in the primary, Nader was running in the general election. Nader ran as a member of the Reform Party USA, which was founded by Ross Perot. If not for Perot winning 8% of the vote, Bill Clinton would have likely lost. So let's not speak of spoilers.
Secondly, I also keep seeing people complain about Sanders not being a Democrat. I'm 60, and have voted Democrat my whole life. But I've also seen what it means to be a Democrat change when Bill Clinton took office. The focus went from being champion of the middle and lower classes, to corporatism. Look at Clinton's decisions on NAFTA and repeal of Glass-Stegall and you'll get the idea. The current views of Democrats don't seem familiar.
As Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
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The Times can stop wasting electricity now that Mrs. Clinton has made her pronouncement - and not worry about Sen. Sander's "hurting" Hillary.
"She (Mrs. Clinton) did not mince words on Thursday, telling Mr. Cuomo, “I have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the United States.”
The statements come as Mrs. Clinton encounters a lingering threat for the Democratic nomination from Senator Bernie Sanders, whose supporters have become increasingly antagonistic toward her candidacy. Despite recent primary wins by Mr. Sanders, his path to the party’s nomination appears mathematically impossible, a fact Mrs. Clinton sought to make abundantly clear.
“I will be the nominee of our party, Chris,” she told Mr. Cuomo. “There is no way I won’t be.”
There you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. Done. Over.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-says-donal...®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
"She (Mrs. Clinton) did not mince words on Thursday, telling Mr. Cuomo, “I have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the United States.”
The statements come as Mrs. Clinton encounters a lingering threat for the Democratic nomination from Senator Bernie Sanders, whose supporters have become increasingly antagonistic toward her candidacy. Despite recent primary wins by Mr. Sanders, his path to the party’s nomination appears mathematically impossible, a fact Mrs. Clinton sought to make abundantly clear.
“I will be the nominee of our party, Chris,” she told Mr. Cuomo. “There is no way I won’t be.”
There you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. Done. Over.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-says-donal...®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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It is called politics. You attempt to degrade the position of your opponent. Yes, the NYT had crave a coronation of Hillary for years now. But it will not happen.
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Here's an alternative headline, NYT: Hillary Clinton, Eyeing Clinton Dynasty, Willing to Risk Defeat and Disastrous Trump Presidency
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Mr.Sanders owes it to his millions of supporters to take it all the way. He has to stop playing Mr.Nice Guy or go home. Hillary will not hesitate to pull out the brass knuckles if needed. If Bernie doesnt drop before the convention - Hillary will have him schredded. She will make him pay for the rest of his Political life and beyond.
Hillary bought Superdelegates/LOBBYISTS a year before the race. Use this link to see who got paid: https://www.opensecrets.org/jfc/summary.php?id=C00586537&cycle=2016
Use this link to learn about "Lobbyist Superdelegates": http://www.mintpressnews.com/nearly-10-democratic-party-superdelegates-l...
How does Hillary selling Uranium to Russia/Putin our biggest Uranium mine make us safer? Google "Uranium One"
Stand Up - America First
Next stop Philly !
Hillary bought Superdelegates/LOBBYISTS a year before the race. Use this link to see who got paid: https://www.opensecrets.org/jfc/summary.php?id=C00586537&cycle=2016
Use this link to learn about "Lobbyist Superdelegates": http://www.mintpressnews.com/nearly-10-democratic-party-superdelegates-l...
How does Hillary selling Uranium to Russia/Putin our biggest Uranium mine make us safer? Google "Uranium One"
Stand Up - America First
Next stop Philly !
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I think Clinton and Sanders should be on the same ticket. She would bring experience, foreign affairs savvy and great policy ideas and wonkiness, and great connections with a variety of important voter groups. He would bring passion for a variety of social justice issues, and a great connection with young people. If they could get past any wounded feelings from the primaries, it would be a formidable pairing. Go HilBern!
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It's becoming increasingly clear that many Sanders supporters are true leftists and anarchists. They are making fools out of the old man and his legitimate liberal followers.
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The only real revolution is achieved only by armed uprising.
What an arrogant, egomaniacal and destructive character he's turned out to be. A cynic might conclude that he works for the Trump campaign. Certainly if the world suffers a Trump presidency, much credit will go to Sanders. He imagines himself a "transformative" candidate; one wonders if this is the transformation he has in mind.
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One thing every single politician knows for sure: a supporter who is unable to create new supporters is useless to that candidate.
Now peruse the comments here from the Clinton supporters and show me what they are doing to convince the Sanders supporters to change their minds. Invective, insults, dire predictions of looming fascism... calling people childish and angry and living in a fantasy... Do you really think you are winning anyone over with this?
You have had a year to convince people and you have failed. Now you resort to slander and threats. Why on earth do you think that will work?
Insulting the very people who will need in November, if Clinton gets the nomination, is not good selling technique.
Perhaps a little less MSNBC and some Dale Carnegie would have shown you this is all about winning friends and influencing people.
Hint: Insulting people ain't part of the program.
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Now peruse the comments here from the Clinton supporters and show me what they are doing to convince the Sanders supporters to change their minds. Invective, insults, dire predictions of looming fascism... calling people childish and angry and living in a fantasy... Do you really think you are winning anyone over with this?
You have had a year to convince people and you have failed. Now you resort to slander and threats. Why on earth do you think that will work?
Insulting the very people who will need in November, if Clinton gets the nomination, is not good selling technique.
Perhaps a little less MSNBC and some Dale Carnegie would have shown you this is all about winning friends and influencing people.
Hint: Insulting people ain't part of the program.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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Well said and very true.
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Many former Sanders supporters have commented here on how they're no longer backing him. And once again, I have to point out that just because someone voted for Sanders it doesn't mean that they hate Hillary Clinton. That's a flawed assumption that is inevitably being disproven.
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Bernard and I are contemporaries, of both age and geographical locale. I'm sure that he, as I, have vivid memories of the '68 Democratic Convention and what ensued that November. I was a rabid McCarthy supporter and a staunch Democratic Party reformer. Everyone that I knew "loathed" Humphrey's perceived embrace of party traditionalists. We didn't march in the streets or park in Chicago but we booed and hissed Mayor Daley and the police when they smashed up the Yippies, SDS and other anarchists. McCarthy, condemned them to forthrightly and appropriately. He got trashed and shutout, we went our way---elsewhere, for me it was a vote for Dick Gregory:peace, justice and vegetarianism. We got Nixon:seven more years of war, and a decade of rampant inflation, economic stagnation, and situational ethics. Now one the Senator's elected supporters is threatening anarchists on the streets of Philadelphia. I'm older and I hope a bit wiser, is the Bern?
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Bernie is in thrall to himself, and noone else. His guiding principle is himself. He is an egomaniac, and he and his supporters are misogynists. Why else do so many white men despise Hillary, and feel free to lob sexist epithets at her and her supporters. My absentee ballot is already in the mail for Hillary.
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"Harm" is the name of the game with any ideological socialist. And make no mistake: An ideological socialist such as Sanders will not stop at Scandinavian-style social safety nets. Rather, he will seek as much government control of every aspect of American life and the American economy that he can possibly get. Unfortunately, we have a large number of gullible and naive young people in this country who think socialism is all about getting "free stuff." They don't understand that it is a means of wresting the last bit of freedom you have away from you (and ultimately confiscating your own "stuff"). I don't like Hillary, but I will vote for her or Trump if that is what it takes to stop Sanders and his ilk from taking over this country.
The coverage of Senator Sanders' campaign this week smacks of desperation on the part of Clinton and her supporters. It appears to be a conscious effort to change the narrative about Sanders from being the ONLY candidate with a positive favorability rating to a petty, vengeful, choleric Nader-in-Waiting.
Given the embarrassingly poor coverage of Senator Sanders by the NYT to date, why should I believe this new narrative?
Given the embarrassingly poor coverage of Senator Sanders by the NYT to date, why should I believe this new narrative?
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If Bernie or Bust people are looking to burn the Democratic Party down, then they need to admit that Sanders' ideas mean nothing to them. They just want to treat Clinton like the Wicked Witch- throw water on her and have America somehow magically go back to Kansas.
People who truly care about the Progressive Agenda will elect a Democrat and keep fighting for its ideas. This involves debate, conversation, argument, and respecting people who don't share your views. We all lose if the idea is we need a messiah from Vermont to yell and gesticulate or no change is possible. The ideas are more important than any one person.
People who truly care about the Progressive Agenda will elect a Democrat and keep fighting for its ideas. This involves debate, conversation, argument, and respecting people who don't share your views. We all lose if the idea is we need a messiah from Vermont to yell and gesticulate or no change is possible. The ideas are more important than any one person.
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Senator Merkley's last stand, brave but party's over
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
America is not a country, it's a business: pay pal
the DNC is a collection and enforcement agency
the 'monarch' must not be denied her coronation
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
America is not a country, it's a business: pay pal
the DNC is a collection and enforcement agency
the 'monarch' must not be denied her coronation
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In 2000 Ralph Nader, running to the left of Al Gore with the best intentions, essentially took away enough votes to get George W. Bush into the presidency.
Does anyone believe we would have invaded Iraq if Gore had been president? Would there be an ISIS? Would we have taken our eye off of our success in Afghanistan? All of the other Bush created problems would be gone also.
Bernie, you are a good human being. But now it's time to be realistic. Despite good intentions, it's time to go if you REALLY care about country before self.
Does anyone believe we would have invaded Iraq if Gore had been president? Would there be an ISIS? Would we have taken our eye off of our success in Afghanistan? All of the other Bush created problems would be gone also.
Bernie, you are a good human being. But now it's time to be realistic. Despite good intentions, it's time to go if you REALLY care about country before self.
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Thanks Bernie. Nader put George Bush in office and you can make sure Donald Trump gets elected. Good job. By the way, did you check out Trump's Supreme Court picks?
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Go Bernie Go!!! It's way past time for someone to shake up and make major changes in the Democratic Party, which has turned into the "Republicrats" party!
I got so sick and tired of them, that both my husband and myself switched to the Green Party! But if Bernie gets the nomination, we would vote for him.
I got so sick and tired of them, that both my husband and myself switched to the Green Party! But if Bernie gets the nomination, we would vote for him.
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The true Sanders has emerged with an ego as large as Trump's. He hasn't come up with one promise that has a chance in Hell of making come to fruition. He could have been a positive force in the election, but his power trip is just going to make him go down in history as just another Ralph Nader. His followers need to grow up.
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I thought we still had free speech in this country and I thought
anyone who will be 35 years old on Election Day has the right to run for president.
Hillary is a toady for Wall Street - plain and simple.
Bernie may be a Socialist at heart but at least he has one unlike Hillary.
If you want the same old same so - vote for Hillary.
If you want changes that will actually help most Americans, vote for Bernie.
anyone who will be 35 years old on Election Day has the right to run for president.
Hillary is a toady for Wall Street - plain and simple.
Bernie may be a Socialist at heart but at least he has one unlike Hillary.
If you want the same old same so - vote for Hillary.
If you want changes that will actually help most Americans, vote for Bernie.
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Of Course Bernie isn't afraid! He only became a Democrat in 2015 and has no allegiance to the Democratic Party. 1979 until 2015 Independent, prior to: Liberty Union whatever that is.....
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Sanders has gone from Mr. Nice Guy to creepy, forever flailing those arms and shouting in that grating accent. He has no loyalty to the Democratic Party and, unlike, the ever-harangued Hillary, has not raised a cent for down-ticket Democrats. The country is not going to elect a 73-year-old socialist. That reality would sink in instantly were Sanders nominated. Why it hasn't already, I do not understand.
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Sander's presence is Trump's best chance in November. If Trump wins, he should be graceful and give Sanders an important post in his administration.
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The Republicans should be celebrating the birth of the "Coffee Party" wing of the Democrats.
Per the article: Sanders supporters "fear that Mrs. Clinton, if elected, would lack the courage to challenge her friends and political contributors".
That is sooo precious... Hello?! What do you think will happen under Donald Trump if we don't unite?
Wake up, friends! We have lost the House and the Senate. The presidency is the only reason we haven't lost Obamacare. We will lose the Supreme Court under Trump. What will happen to immigrants and Muslims? What will happen to American values under Trump?
There's a time for ideological purity. This is not it.
Senator Sanders should continue his campaign and let people vote during the primaries as is their right.
But, this "Bernie or Bust" movement needs a dose of sanity.
Per the article: Sanders supporters "fear that Mrs. Clinton, if elected, would lack the courage to challenge her friends and political contributors".
That is sooo precious... Hello?! What do you think will happen under Donald Trump if we don't unite?
Wake up, friends! We have lost the House and the Senate. The presidency is the only reason we haven't lost Obamacare. We will lose the Supreme Court under Trump. What will happen to immigrants and Muslims? What will happen to American values under Trump?
There's a time for ideological purity. This is not it.
Senator Sanders should continue his campaign and let people vote during the primaries as is their right.
But, this "Bernie or Bust" movement needs a dose of sanity.
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Mr. Sanders only became a member of the Democratic Party when he decided to run for President, and knew he had no chance as an Indepdendent. Therefore, I find his railing against the Democratic establishment somewhat disingenuous. I get the feeling Mr. Sander's ego has taken over at this point - it would be easy when thousands of people cheer your every word. People need to remember that Hillary Clinton has received many thousands more votes than Mr. Sanders has. I agree Mr. Sanders has no obligation to campaign for Mrs. Clinton, should she gain the nomination (just as the unsuccessful GOP candidates don't have any obligation to campaign for Trump). However, if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination based on the rules in place at the start of the process, Mr. Sanders should gracefully accept defeat. Whether he goes out and campaigns for her is up to him - but I saw him give an interview earlier this week when he said he would do everything in his power to keep Trump from being elected President. If he really means that, he won't let sour grapes and his ego cloud his judgment on the issue.
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Voters need to shake up the political class who no longer listen or even care what we think or need. If all of Congress and government workers had to live on the median wage and benefits of the American People, the politicians would actually work to raise all boats and the middle class would be restored.
Vote for Sanders or Vote for Trump. Anything else is a vote for the status quo.
Vote for Sanders or Vote for Trump. Anything else is a vote for the status quo.
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Are you worried about Clinton getting harmed? What about the millions of blacks who were jailed, when the Clinton's created the crime bill that led to racial profiling becoming the standard for police? What about those who had their jobs sent overseas, thanks to their push of N.A.F.T.A. and other disastrous trade policies? What about those who lost their life savings on Wall Street, while the Clinton's walked away from Wall St. with over $150,000,000? The only harm now being done is by those Dems who don't really have problems, who have no better reasons to vote for Hillary, other than that she is a woman, or the lesser of two evils.
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I am 60 years old. I remember watching the Chicago '68 Convention on television with my mother when I was 12 years old and being enthralled by the courage and activism of those young people. They were out to change the world - tired of the Establishment support for the Vietnam War, as well as business-as-usual attitude towards race, gender, etc. It was a seminal moment in American politics. If you have not read the book by the same title (Chicago '68), buy it!
The future of the country belongs to the Sander's supporters. Whatever social and moral transcendence my generation earned in the '60's vanished in the pursuit of money and power commencing in the 1980's. Shame on my generation. They have created so much, yet squandered away the growing middle class and equality in both economic and political power. It is vanishing, and they want to blame it on anything and everything but themselves. They made a deal with the devil ($$$) and now it is coming back to bite them in their proverbial arses.
Karma is not a very kind lady . . .
P.S. Millennials and Bernie - more power to you!!!!
The future of the country belongs to the Sander's supporters. Whatever social and moral transcendence my generation earned in the '60's vanished in the pursuit of money and power commencing in the 1980's. Shame on my generation. They have created so much, yet squandered away the growing middle class and equality in both economic and political power. It is vanishing, and they want to blame it on anything and everything but themselves. They made a deal with the devil ($$$) and now it is coming back to bite them in their proverbial arses.
Karma is not a very kind lady . . .
P.S. Millennials and Bernie - more power to you!!!!
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The party that no longer represents the people but the millionaires (of which most of its leaders are starting from Hillary)... deserves to be destroyed.
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Formerly a party dedicated to "a chicken in every pot" devolving into the party of "a Goldman Sachs in every cabinet." For Bill Clinton (who would be Hillary's defacto co-president) it was Robert Rubin; I believe President Obama similarly tapped GS for a treasury secretary);
Given Hillary's obvious allegiances, maybe labor, interior, treasury, health and human services and education can all be filled by Goldman Sachs people: don't be surprised, in know I won't.
Given Hillary's obvious allegiances, maybe labor, interior, treasury, health and human services and education can all be filled by Goldman Sachs people: don't be surprised, in know I won't.
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Hopefully, after the California primary in June, Sanders will team up with Hillary Clinton to defeat Donald Trump and Sanders will stay in the Democratic party to help rebuild it. There would certainly be a place for Sanders in the next administration, and his supporters will be needed to rebuild the party and turn the nation back to its revolutionary progressive roots. It is long overdue for the pendulum to swing back.
I applaud Bernie's determination. Hillary has had just as much time to "the young voters, liberals, and other Sanders supporters who view her as an ally of corporate and big-money interests" as Sanders had. He won them over, with ever increasing numbers as each day has transpired. A big reason why Bernie bests Trump over Hillary's chances is that more of her supporters will warm to Sanders than vice versa. Add to that the number of uneasy Trump supporters who see Bernie as more to their liking, and without the steamer trunks full of baggage Hillary drags behind her.
But I fear Hillary is too stubborn, too proud, too annointed in her own mind to see with a clear eye. She would prefer to risk putting Trump in the pilot's seat than allow a truly democratic process to play out.
Will Rogers had it right 80 years or so ago: The Democratic Party is no organized party. In this election year, that may not turn out to be a bad thing.
Let us hope.
But I fear Hillary is too stubborn, too proud, too annointed in her own mind to see with a clear eye. She would prefer to risk putting Trump in the pilot's seat than allow a truly democratic process to play out.
Will Rogers had it right 80 years or so ago: The Democratic Party is no organized party. In this election year, that may not turn out to be a bad thing.
Let us hope.
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The title of this article, "Bernie Sanders, Eyeing Convention, Willing to Harm Hillary Clinton in the Homestretch," really troubles me. It asserts a willingness to do real injury to Clinton's candidacy that I don't think can fairly be ascribed to Sanders, and it's all too reminiscent of other subtly (and not so subtly) negative coverage of Sanders by the NYT this primary season.
For Sanders to call out the DNC on real problems with the process is appropriate. For some of his supporters to get out of line is not, but it is also inappropriate for the Times and other news organizations conflate their behavior with his intentions, or to hold Sanders responsible for all of their actions -- though of course he should do (and has done) what he can to encourage all of his supporters to express their justifiable frustration in more appropriate and constructive ways.
I have been watching politics for many years, but the media coverage (and non-coverage) this year has shaped this election cycle in ways that I would suggest are unprecedented -- and deeply problematic.
For Sanders to call out the DNC on real problems with the process is appropriate. For some of his supporters to get out of line is not, but it is also inappropriate for the Times and other news organizations conflate their behavior with his intentions, or to hold Sanders responsible for all of their actions -- though of course he should do (and has done) what he can to encourage all of his supporters to express their justifiable frustration in more appropriate and constructive ways.
I have been watching politics for many years, but the media coverage (and non-coverage) this year has shaped this election cycle in ways that I would suggest are unprecedented -- and deeply problematic.
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Sanders the supposed truth teller could not would not condemn the violent actions of his supporters. That's someone who is going to bring the nation together? He can't even bring his own supporters in line. Let them continue to the convention in Philly this July. Let them fight to the finish. But to continue to do Trump's dirty work for him by piling attack after attack upon Hillary yet says he wants to defeat Trump at all costs tells me Sanders is either delusional or a liar. He has no intention of losing with grace. Anything he says to support Hillary will fall on deaf ears, None of his supporters now are going to believe a word Sanders says in the Fall. Whether he backs Hillary or not no longer matters. He's a traitor to the party. Dems made fun of the Republicans. But the last laugh will be when Trump beats Hillary in the Fall. Sanders: Mission Accomplished.
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These comments are absolute confirmation to me of the reality that, for many Sanders supporters, their disdain for Hillary is or ultimately may become greater than their disdain for Trump.
The manner in which Hillary supporters scold and demean Sanders supporters can only exacerbate the problem.
If this dynamic continues and builds, I don't see how Hillary can win the general election.
The manner in which Hillary supporters scold and demean Sanders supporters can only exacerbate the problem.
If this dynamic continues and builds, I don't see how Hillary can win the general election.
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Good points. Time for us to remember we share common goals and fight the real enemy. Stop blaming the victims, and notice the Kochs and Roves and all are celebrating, never mind Trump.
And meanwhile, vote downticket. Stop with the staying home, like you did in 2014 and 2010.
And meanwhile, vote downticket. Stop with the staying home, like you did in 2014 and 2010.
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The revolution ended in 1969. We won. It should take about 50 years for the impact to fully settle in. I am a 68 year old Jew from Brooklyn whose grandparents were immigrants. I was raised with a working/middle class background. I went to Socialist summer camps, marched on Washington with MLK, joined the movement against the Vietnam war et al. The major differences between mr and the Bern are that I lost my NY accent when I moved to LA as a teen, and I'm much better looking. Other than that, there is very little room between my core beliefs and his, with the exception of his "Wall Street" rant which is simplistic and ill-conceived. (This does not mean I'm against reform.) I am voting for Hillary Clinton this fall. Why? Quite simply, she will make a better President. I'm quite happy for Bernie to keep stirring the pot (so to speak), but I wish we had both taken a little less acid back in the day.
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It's not about harming or helping the candidate, it's about _POLICY_.
The Democratic leadership is closely wedded to the 80's era Democratic Leadership Council policies which, in the form of the first Clinton adminstration, brought us many, even most, of the structural problems with the economy and foreign policy that we suffer from. This primary season has shown pretty clearly that those policies are well to the right of at least half of the rank and file of the party.
It would actually be pretty easy to unify the party, avoid damage to either candidate and provide the foundation for a landslide in the Fall. All that's needed is for the entrenched party leadership to allow the platform to represent something close to a compromise position that respects the proportion of voting.
But we have a winner-take-all system, and that allows the bankrupt policies to hang on as long as their advocates can maintain control of the levers of power. And the DLC partisans seem committed to not ceding any influence on policy until those levers can be pried from their cold dead fingers.
_That_ is what is going to harm the Clinton campaign.
There is no way that I or, I suspect, most Sanders supporters (those of us from the left, anyway) will not vote for her in the Fall, but if the Democratic Party doesn't embrace this wave of populism then the nativists will.
And they will have harmed not only their campaign, but our country in a deep and lasting way.
The Democratic leadership is closely wedded to the 80's era Democratic Leadership Council policies which, in the form of the first Clinton adminstration, brought us many, even most, of the structural problems with the economy and foreign policy that we suffer from. This primary season has shown pretty clearly that those policies are well to the right of at least half of the rank and file of the party.
It would actually be pretty easy to unify the party, avoid damage to either candidate and provide the foundation for a landslide in the Fall. All that's needed is for the entrenched party leadership to allow the platform to represent something close to a compromise position that respects the proportion of voting.
But we have a winner-take-all system, and that allows the bankrupt policies to hang on as long as their advocates can maintain control of the levers of power. And the DLC partisans seem committed to not ceding any influence on policy until those levers can be pried from their cold dead fingers.
_That_ is what is going to harm the Clinton campaign.
There is no way that I or, I suspect, most Sanders supporters (those of us from the left, anyway) will not vote for her in the Fall, but if the Democratic Party doesn't embrace this wave of populism then the nativists will.
And they will have harmed not only their campaign, but our country in a deep and lasting way.
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Hillary Clinton is, in fact, her own worst enemy, with a tired message that is essentially status quo: catering to big money and power, in the pocket of the neocon militarist establishment abroad. Or maybe more accurately, she is herself a leading member of the neocon militarist, status quo establishment. What she offers is the same sort of "triangulation" that her husband practiced during his years in office. Remember her comment about being dead broke? And then her attempt to walk it back saying. "It was inartful." Inartful indeed! This country needs change, and I don't mean the Trumpian change offered by our homegrown Duce ensconced in the Trump Tower in New York. Rather, an honest, courageous, and, for a politician, I might add, personally risky message that offers a more equitable and democratic future to the people of this country. Too bad. I'd love to see a woman in the White House. Hillary, however, just doesn't seem to be the one.
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Personally I'm tired of Bernie's brand of progressive idealism that has never backed up his proposals with doable budgets and am ready for both parties to be more centrist. Our 2 party system works best when they both seek the center, a large non-ideological consensus based upon facts and truth and not mere ideals and propaganda. We can pursue progressive ideals, as long as they're based upon persuading (not intimidating) others toward the rightness of what these ideals stand for.
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Sanders is now willing to throw the whole country under the bus to change a Party he has not been a part of for more than a few months. At least Ralph Nader had the honesty not to become a faux Democrat to further his own agenda.
What an enormous ego Sanders has. In fact, it is only matched by that of Trump. Further, Sanders campaign is beginning to resemble Trump's. It is now fueled by anger demonstrated by both Sanders and his supporters. Watching Sanders speech from California, it became obvious that he was running against not only Hillary Clinton, but the Demoratic Partyas well. If he were the honest man his supporters believe him to be, (but the fact checkers show otherwise in comparison to Clinton), Sanders would have run as the Independent he is.
As far as I am concerned, Sanders willingness to harm Clinton just to prove a point, makes his judgement unfit for a man who wants to govern this country.
What an enormous ego Sanders has. In fact, it is only matched by that of Trump. Further, Sanders campaign is beginning to resemble Trump's. It is now fueled by anger demonstrated by both Sanders and his supporters. Watching Sanders speech from California, it became obvious that he was running against not only Hillary Clinton, but the Demoratic Partyas well. If he were the honest man his supporters believe him to be, (but the fact checkers show otherwise in comparison to Clinton), Sanders would have run as the Independent he is.
As far as I am concerned, Sanders willingness to harm Clinton just to prove a point, makes his judgement unfit for a man who wants to govern this country.
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You could call me a dyed in the wool democrat. Since I am in California I usually have the luxury of casting protest votes.
I wrote in Hillary's name in 2008 because I thought Obama would have trouble holding his own against the R's because of his naivete. Of course, that's exactly what ended up happening -- except for the healthcare initiative the democratic congressional/senate majority was pretty much squandered before he realized what was happening. Only in the last year of the second term he is coming to grips with it.
This time in the Primary, I would be voting for Sanders - not as a protest vote, but as I am really sick and tired of Hillary's cozying up with the wall street, the money men, the pro-Israel groups, the hawks, the frackers and what not. I am not sure what is really left except for the fact that she is not as dumb and as reckless as the typical Republican Pol. I am stick and tired of waiting for the trickle down progressive policies coming from a blue-dog democrat.
Let's go full bore and change the conversation.
I wrote in Hillary's name in 2008 because I thought Obama would have trouble holding his own against the R's because of his naivete. Of course, that's exactly what ended up happening -- except for the healthcare initiative the democratic congressional/senate majority was pretty much squandered before he realized what was happening. Only in the last year of the second term he is coming to grips with it.
This time in the Primary, I would be voting for Sanders - not as a protest vote, but as I am really sick and tired of Hillary's cozying up with the wall street, the money men, the pro-Israel groups, the hawks, the frackers and what not. I am not sure what is really left except for the fact that she is not as dumb and as reckless as the typical Republican Pol. I am stick and tired of waiting for the trickle down progressive policies coming from a blue-dog democrat.
Let's go full bore and change the conversation.
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First, absolutely no need for another Clinton-Sanders debate. I watched all of their debates. The same questions (perhaps some worded differently) and the same memorized answers. Second, if Bernie fights to the bitter end and divides the party, there will not be time for reconciliation whoever wins the nomination. Let us all begin to think how to survive under President Trump.
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But this debate could be different. They could even focus on what they are fighting about, on why it Clinton thinks it is so important for Sanders and his backers to quietly drink the cool aide and on why Sanders thinks it is important to hold the party's feet to the fire even if it does get ugly. I'd like to see them both address those points. I'd like to see an acknowledgement that this election is coming down to a question of who we are.
First of all who are the Republicans? That one is answered--they weren't the slick executive types after all, they were the dregs of Nixon's Southern strategy.
Secondly who are the Democrats. Are they the opportunists that took over the party by embracing Reganism (we're pragmatic---we can outspend the Repubicans in elections) or are they the party that emerged in the Roosevelt era, concerned with the wellfair of everyone---not just themselves and their children.
Finally, who are we as a country. We have been steadfastly ignoring the erosion of policies that address inequality while we have seen a spectacular increase in inequality both racially and more generally econimically based. It's time to lay down the pretense and show who you really are at the polls. The outcome will unambiguously show who we, as a nation, are.
Meanwhile it'd be great to see a debate in which the candidates actually took sides.
Best of luck to us all
First of all who are the Republicans? That one is answered--they weren't the slick executive types after all, they were the dregs of Nixon's Southern strategy.
Secondly who are the Democrats. Are they the opportunists that took over the party by embracing Reganism (we're pragmatic---we can outspend the Repubicans in elections) or are they the party that emerged in the Roosevelt era, concerned with the wellfair of everyone---not just themselves and their children.
Finally, who are we as a country. We have been steadfastly ignoring the erosion of policies that address inequality while we have seen a spectacular increase in inequality both racially and more generally econimically based. It's time to lay down the pretense and show who you really are at the polls. The outcome will unambiguously show who we, as a nation, are.
Meanwhile it'd be great to see a debate in which the candidates actually took sides.
Best of luck to us all
Sanders reminds me of a handful of people I recall hearing spouting off radical ideals on my college campus – back in the late 70s. Throughout the decades since, I’m sure they were found on virtually every college campus.
Bernie took it to the next level – and it is a very small level – by becoming the mayor of Burlington and then becoming a Senator with no party and no impact throughout his Senatorial career. By all accounts he was the Senate incarnation of the socialist in the college coffee-house, who students might indulge for a few minutes before heading off to class.
Bernie took it to the next level – and it is a very small level – by becoming the mayor of Burlington and then becoming a Senator with no party and no impact throughout his Senatorial career. By all accounts he was the Senate incarnation of the socialist in the college coffee-house, who students might indulge for a few minutes before heading off to class.
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Who is the biggest liar of them all, who has the biggest trust issues? Bernie, running as a Democrat.
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Bottom line: Bernie has no class.
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Many have continued to demand release of Hillary's Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, while Clinton supporters (which ever increasingly - that is increasingly from already overwhelming support from the get-go - seem to include the media) want to let the matter rest.
This is such an utter hypocrisy on the part of those allowing or abetting the dodge that I'm tempted to say "let them have their Hillary/Bill-redux Clinton presidency; they deserve it", but I must call them on this.
4 years ago when Romney made his presidential bid, Hillary cheered as his "47% gaffe" massively contributed to his defeat by purporting to offer a candid window into his true stance.
Everybody who has given this thought -probably Hillsry most of all - knows these speeches are her "47% moment", and those wanting a Hillsry victory want these speeches quashed at all costs. That must not be allowed. If "47%" was held against Romney, Hillary's speeches deserve equal consideration.
This is such an utter hypocrisy on the part of those allowing or abetting the dodge that I'm tempted to say "let them have their Hillary/Bill-redux Clinton presidency; they deserve it", but I must call them on this.
4 years ago when Romney made his presidential bid, Hillary cheered as his "47% gaffe" massively contributed to his defeat by purporting to offer a candid window into his true stance.
Everybody who has given this thought -probably Hillsry most of all - knows these speeches are her "47% moment", and those wanting a Hillsry victory want these speeches quashed at all costs. That must not be allowed. If "47%" was held against Romney, Hillary's speeches deserve equal consideration.
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Memo to Sanders and Weaver: The Superdelegates are Democrats who have been supported in their own political goals by the Clintons for over 20 years. Sanders is an Independent who has done nothing for the Democratic Party or Democrats ever in his career.
If Trump wins this fall because of the damage Sanders does to the Clinton campaign, he may find himself caucusing by himself in the Senate Men's Room for the remainder of his political career, a lonely old man, with Mr. Weaver fetching him coffee for minimum wage. And justifiably so.
If Trump wins this fall because of the damage Sanders does to the Clinton campaign, he may find himself caucusing by himself in the Senate Men's Room for the remainder of his political career, a lonely old man, with Mr. Weaver fetching him coffee for minimum wage. And justifiably so.
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It's really annoying to see so many NY Times readers fall in line behind the idea that the still strong Sanders campaign is somehow the cause of HRC's weakness relative to Trump in recent polls, or that Sanders is personally responsible for the misbehavior of some of his supporters. The increasing vitriolic from HRC supporters is disturbing. And the call for Sanders to drop out early before the big enchilada, Calif, votes only shows their lack of confidence in her candidacy.
The Democratic Party by its own militaristic and corporate friendly neoliberal actions (like repeal of Glass Steagall) and neoconservative foreign policy actions (yes, you Hillary) encourages the likes of Ralph Nader and now Bernie Sanders to run for President. While HRC as a Democrat is head and shoulders preferable to anyone the whacked out GOP circa 2016 could have produced (even before their embarrassing Trumpian meltdown), the DNC could have shown a little more imagination before anointing her queen so early on this process.
I believe most Sanders supporters have enough sense to vote for HRC if they have to in the general election. The whole world is afraid of Trump becoming President. And bringing up the canard that Nader was responsible for the election of GW Bush only stiffens the resolve of the Sanders people.
The long and short of it is that at this point Sanders appears to appeal more to the crucially independent important swing voters than HRC does.
The Democratic Party by its own militaristic and corporate friendly neoliberal actions (like repeal of Glass Steagall) and neoconservative foreign policy actions (yes, you Hillary) encourages the likes of Ralph Nader and now Bernie Sanders to run for President. While HRC as a Democrat is head and shoulders preferable to anyone the whacked out GOP circa 2016 could have produced (even before their embarrassing Trumpian meltdown), the DNC could have shown a little more imagination before anointing her queen so early on this process.
I believe most Sanders supporters have enough sense to vote for HRC if they have to in the general election. The whole world is afraid of Trump becoming President. And bringing up the canard that Nader was responsible for the election of GW Bush only stiffens the resolve of the Sanders people.
The long and short of it is that at this point Sanders appears to appeal more to the crucially independent important swing voters than HRC does.
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This is exactly the reason Sanders should not be President. He has become nothing more than a delusional demagogue, the left's own Trump. If Clinton loses, we will have Sanders to blame. That will be his lasting legacy.
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I'm sick of voting for those that I DON'T want in the oval office just for the sake of voting. I was called ignorant today due to my decision to abstain from voting in the Presidential Election if I must choose between Clinton and Trump. Ignorance to me is voting for anyone who doesn't represent ALL people in this nation. Bernie Sanders is a breath of fresh air as most of us have forgotten what a true public servant acts and sounds. #BernieOrBust for me!!
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Nader did not cost Gore the election. Had Gore won Tennessee his home state or Arkansas the home of the then sitting President. He would have won the election. By the way no President was ever elected that failed to win his home state.
Perhaps all these folks so critical of Nader should be asking how could have Gore run such a poor campaign. That is not the fault of Nader.
Perhaps all these folks so critical of Nader should be asking how could have Gore run such a poor campaign. That is not the fault of Nader.
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Gore was tainted with the sleaze from the Clinton administration. Bush ran partly on the promise to restore some dignity to the WH
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I voted for Bernie by California mail-in ballot. At this point, I will not vote for Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump in the general election. I may vote for a new third-party candidate if one emerges acceptable to a progressive independent voter. I don't believe Mrs. Clinton has the true spirit of progressiveness.
"Mr. Sanders...has been buoyed by a stream of polls showing him beating Mr. Trump by larger margins than Mrs. Clinton...."
Trump in fact currently is ahead of Clinton by 5 points in the polls, while polls consistently show Sanders besting Trump in the general, which is why superdelegates should nominate The Bern. Clinton could very well lose to Trump.
"...she needs time to begin courting...."
How much time can she need? Hillary has acted dismissively toward younger voters throughout the primary, and focuses on her own unimpassioned, insufficient intentions rather than heeding voter concerns. She can't be bothered to access the national pulse whether Democratic, independent or Republican. Mrs. Clinton did not even show the enthusiasm to make a short speech to her supporters following her Kentucky victory.
"Mr. Sanders...has been buoyed by a stream of polls showing him beating Mr. Trump by larger margins than Mrs. Clinton...."
Trump in fact currently is ahead of Clinton by 5 points in the polls, while polls consistently show Sanders besting Trump in the general, which is why superdelegates should nominate The Bern. Clinton could very well lose to Trump.
"...she needs time to begin courting...."
How much time can she need? Hillary has acted dismissively toward younger voters throughout the primary, and focuses on her own unimpassioned, insufficient intentions rather than heeding voter concerns. She can't be bothered to access the national pulse whether Democratic, independent or Republican. Mrs. Clinton did not even show the enthusiasm to make a short speech to her supporters following her Kentucky victory.
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I believe that Bernie Sanders seems to be working more for Donald Trump more than for his own cause. He is contributing to a devided democratic party, where neither candidate controls enough votes to beat Trump in November. Trump has devided the GOP too, but he has the amjoroity of the republican vote and some others!
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If the DEmocratic National Committee fails to give Bernie Sanders a proportial number of seats on the on the Platform Committee, they do so at their own peril. The DNC, not Bernie Sanders, is responsible for the increasing unrest and anger within the party ranks. Wake up guys before it is too late!
Prescott AZ Ed Greenhill
Prescott AZ Ed Greenhill
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OK, we all know the Western Conference is superior to the Eastern Conference, right? So, accordingly, the Thunder should immediately stop hard fouls, traveling, rebounding, blocking or doing anything which might tire out or injure the Warriors, you know? (Especially that aggressive Russell Westbrook, who dresses in a way that appeals to, like, Millennials. Or students.) I mean if the Thunder refuses to just back off, it will be all their fault if a weakened Warrior team ends up damaged, and loses to the Cavaliers. Can't let the Cavaliers control the Court, right? (It's OK, though, to let the Thunder run around until June — if they just play nice. And soft.) Got it?
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As a day one Trump supporter (I actually wanted Trump to run in 2012) I can only describe all of this with one word:
Schadenfreude!
Schadenfreude!
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A number of folks are complaining about the Sanders campaign's decision to not willingly submit to blatant bias and unfair tactics from the Democratic party's apparatus and its subservient corporate media.
They equate a democratic nominating process with the preordained coronation of a flawed candidate with her hands in the pockets of moneyed interests she claims to be able to rein in.
And obviously, they expect Sanders' supporters who have had enough of a status quo of rampant inequality, political corruption, police brutality, and mass incarceration, to just fall in line, declare the process done with, and cheer along the oligarchs and the plutocrats.
Good luck!
They equate a democratic nominating process with the preordained coronation of a flawed candidate with her hands in the pockets of moneyed interests she claims to be able to rein in.
And obviously, they expect Sanders' supporters who have had enough of a status quo of rampant inequality, political corruption, police brutality, and mass incarceration, to just fall in line, declare the process done with, and cheer along the oligarchs and the plutocrats.
Good luck!
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Congratulation to the DNC and the establishment media for conducting a determined and successful smear campaign against Bernie Sanders. Bernie clearly said from the beginning that it would take a revolution to overcome the system's ingrained power structure and now that is more obvious than ever. He may not win the presidency, but he has given the pendulum of change a solid push, and the revolution is still coming.
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Pride comes before a fall. If Bernie can't position himself now as the godfather of the new Democratic Party, his time will never come. First, of course, he should change his party affiliation to Democrat. Until he does that, I don't see why he thinks that the petty ward politicians who work in the trenches against him will have a change of heart. As for his anger, Clinton has won more states and has more votes than he does. If super delegates vote with their states, Clinton will be the nominee. Bernie has broken through, but he's not going to be the nominee. The sooner he faces that truth, the more quickly he can leverage what he has to make the Democratic Party platform and its future nominating contests more equitable.
5
Though Clinton and Sanders have policy differences, they both fight on the same side of the trenches. I'm a progressive realist and Clintonista, who supports a range of currently hopeless causes. To effect change you have to win elections and then govern effectively. The spineless, amoral GOP is already rallying around Trump, a candidate so flawed that a united Democratic Party could win the Senate. Instead Sanders fanatics attack Clinton and the Democratic Party. They swallowed and are now regurgitating the GOP oppo playbook. Threatening to stay home if Sanders loses, equating the DNC with the party that just today made abortions a felony in OK! If Sanders overcomes the 3M-vote deficit and takes the nomination, I pledge to support him. But he won’t win the general election. Not after the GOP swift-boaters have introduced middle America to his ‘radical’ past. Will Sanders voters also pledge to support the Democratic candidate -- whomever she may be?
4
Both Trump and Sanders seem to benefit from White identity polarization, and consolidation or splitting of this bloc perhaps explains why Sanders despite losing to Clinton may still perform better against Trump. However, while democracy is about numbers, it is not about numbers alone. Clinton needs a positive agenda, one which appeals to the higher instincts of people to win.
A liberal win to be a liberal win has to be by appealing to rise above basic instincts. Such a win is indeed more difficult, but it always has elevated society and led to greater performances. Such an approach alone can make her Presidency a historical watershed. Think the no holds barred desperation of Sanders will help to do the required soul searching to chalk such a liberal campaign.
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When Obama earned his second term, we saw Hillary was in line for the throne, which really inspired my imagination. I would swear she had some style and grace as a New York senator; I must be mistaken--wasn't paying close attention. Here we are, four years later, and I was really looking forward to a stronger showing from Hillary. She simply does not possess the political smoothness or the intellectual heft. She certainly does not have the same power of seduction as Bill. Hillary is flat. Obama is so darn cool with so much refined style. Obama is a man I can look up to. I just see a mid-20th-century school marm when I listen to Hillary speak. Gosh I was hoping for more. We need more than what Hillary has to offer. I like Bernie. Bernie has 21st-century vision and an nicely emerging political panache. Bernie is inspiring. I am going to the post office this very day in order to sign up with Bernie on June 7th in California. Go Bernie!
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I get so tired of hearing about how Sanders polls better in the general election that Clinton. First of all, polls about the general election at this stage of the race are notoriously unreliable. Second, and I realize this is hard for those who live in the Bernie Bubble to understand, the vast majority of Americans know virtually nothing about Sanders beyond the sound bites and applause lines. But if by some strange set of events Sanders was to become the candidate in the general election he would have an awful lot of explaining to do regarding some of his past actions and statements. No matter how long ago it was or what the reason for it was how do you think most voters are going to react to learning about Sanders' participation in anti-American demonstrations in Nicaragua? How are people going to react to his writings about women's sexual maladjustment being the cause of breast and cervical cancer? Hillary has not run one negative ad against Sanders. The Republicans would love to run against Sanders in the fall which is why they have had relatively little to say about him so far, but in the general election it's a safe bet they won't be quite so genteel.
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"Hillary has not run one negative ad against Sanders. "
For real?
Did you miss HRC sending out Chelsea to say that Sanders was going to repeal Obamacare? Nothing about replacing it with the much better single-payer though.
And what about her talking about guns from Vermont being responsible for much of NY crime...also false and twisted.
And trying to blame him for Sandy Hook...
It goes on and on...
Sanders on the other hand gave HRC a pass early on about her secret email server, which she will be indicted for.
For real?
Did you miss HRC sending out Chelsea to say that Sanders was going to repeal Obamacare? Nothing about replacing it with the much better single-payer though.
And what about her talking about guns from Vermont being responsible for much of NY crime...also false and twisted.
And trying to blame him for Sandy Hook...
It goes on and on...
Sanders on the other hand gave HRC a pass early on about her secret email server, which she will be indicted for.
5
Bernie has proven that his campaign is not about a quest for power. The Sanders campaign is about a series of innovative issues that will change America for the better. I think if there was another competent candidate proposing, health care for all, limited foreign interventions, free college and taxing the rich Bernie would not even be running for president. Can someone please tell me what Hillary's campaign is based on, except for her desire to be president?
8
Hillary Clinton is such a flawed candidate, I could never vote for her. Although I do not agree with all of Sanders proposals, he is the only candidate who has integrity and represents working individuals. He is one of the few politicians that has not become wealthy from being a politician as well. Lets' face it, the next President will inherit the largest debt ever and he/she will not be able to spend much since there is not any money to spend.
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There is a reason that racial and ethnic and sexual minorities have not flocked to Bernie. It's because, as minorities, we have so much more to loose if a Republican becomes president. God bless Bernie for raising the issues he's raised. At the same time, being told by young white people in liberal enclaves that we're misinformed, only underscores the fact that most of Bernie's supporters won't face the same real world consequences for sending the Democratic nominating process up in flames.
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I'm absolutely THRILLED to see Senator Sanders digging in and standing up to that corrupt cesspool, the DNC, and it's equally corrupt star candidate, the "presumptive one," who currently finds herself in the lead. Yet, despite all the political power brought to bear, truck-loads of SuperPac money flowing in and out and a media propaganda machine running overtime (to say nothing of the well-documented nationwide voter suppression aimed at knocking Sen. Sanders off the ballot - a clear violation of the Voting Rights Act,) Ms. Clinton is not exactly winning decisively by any stretch of the imagination.
All the talk about agitators and death threats from Sanders supporters in Nevada (who may very well be Clinton campaign operatives) are, like the UFO "X-Files" mystery Hillary is so eager to expose, merely creating more noise and distraction from the real issues.
The real question (and if the "Paper of Record" had any journalistic integrity it would be asking it) is why the FBI hasn't opened formal investigations into the Clinton Foundation for racketeering and influence peddling.
Now there's a mystery that deserves to be pried wide open!
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-201...
http://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/
All the talk about agitators and death threats from Sanders supporters in Nevada (who may very well be Clinton campaign operatives) are, like the UFO "X-Files" mystery Hillary is so eager to expose, merely creating more noise and distraction from the real issues.
The real question (and if the "Paper of Record" had any journalistic integrity it would be asking it) is why the FBI hasn't opened formal investigations into the Clinton Foundation for racketeering and influence peddling.
Now there's a mystery that deserves to be pried wide open!
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-201...
http://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/
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You are correct, Bernie, just be like so many other candidates and sling mud, rocks, and whatever else you can find to show that you are no different than those you claim are so wrong for our national morality, our democracy, our republic, our families, and ourselves.
5
If you look at the map of Secretary Clinton's victories, it resembles with a few exceptions the map of states Mitt Romney carried in the 2012 general election.
In effect, we're letting states who aren't likely to support a Democrat in the general election determine who our candidate is.
So be it. But spare me the sanctimony.
In effect, we're letting states who aren't likely to support a Democrat in the general election determine who our candidate is.
So be it. But spare me the sanctimony.
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The few exceptions happen to include Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Florida.
If Democrats win 3 of those 4 states, they will most likely win the general election.
I don't care who won Alabama either, nor do I care who won Idaho or Wyoming.
The swing states still matter - and the super delegates are going to weight those outcomes more than any other.
If Democrats win 3 of those 4 states, they will most likely win the general election.
I don't care who won Alabama either, nor do I care who won Idaho or Wyoming.
The swing states still matter - and the super delegates are going to weight those outcomes more than any other.
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Ah, the philosopher king super delegates, who know better who we should have as president than we do.
They, and the DNC, have done yeoman's work ignoring the many signs of voter unrest while licking their chops at the prospect of a Hillary campaign against Der Drumpf.
But I remember when the same cognescenti thought Senator Kerry, with his military decorations would make mincemeat out of the washed out alkie pilot trainee who skipped Vietnam and slept at the switch in the run-up to 9/11 before then injecting us into a losing battle in Iraq.
Again, spare me the sanctimony.
(You might instead spend the time looking up recent usage of the term "social desirability bias".)
They, and the DNC, have done yeoman's work ignoring the many signs of voter unrest while licking their chops at the prospect of a Hillary campaign against Der Drumpf.
But I remember when the same cognescenti thought Senator Kerry, with his military decorations would make mincemeat out of the washed out alkie pilot trainee who skipped Vietnam and slept at the switch in the run-up to 9/11 before then injecting us into a losing battle in Iraq.
Again, spare me the sanctimony.
(You might instead spend the time looking up recent usage of the term "social desirability bias".)
I have gone from admiring Sanders to hitting the mute button every time he appears on TV.
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It's really annoying to see so many NY Times readers fall in line behind the notion that the still strong Sanders campaign is somehow the cause of HRC's weakness relative to Trump in recent polls, or that Sanders is personally responsible for the misbehavior of some of his supporters. The increasing vitriolic from HRC supporters is disturbing. And the call for Sanders to drop out early before the big enchilada, Calif, votes only shows their lack of confidence in her candidacy.
The Democratic Party by its own militaristic and corporate friendly neoliberal actions (like repeal of Glass Steagall) and neoconservative foreign policy actions (yes, you Hillary) encourages the likes of Ralph Nader and now Bernie Sanders to run for President. While HRC as a Democrat is head and shoulders preferable to anyone the whacked out GOP circa 2016 could have produced (even before their embarrassing Trumpian meltdown), the DNC could have shown a little more imagination before anointing her queen so early in this process.
I believe most Sanders supporters have enough sense to vote for HRC if they have to in the general election. The whole world is afraid of Trump becoming President. And bringing up the canard that Nader was responsible for the election of GW Bush only stiffens the resolve of the Sanders people.
The long and short of it is that at this point Sanders appears to appeal more to the crucially independent important swing voters than HRC does.
The Democratic Party by its own militaristic and corporate friendly neoliberal actions (like repeal of Glass Steagall) and neoconservative foreign policy actions (yes, you Hillary) encourages the likes of Ralph Nader and now Bernie Sanders to run for President. While HRC as a Democrat is head and shoulders preferable to anyone the whacked out GOP circa 2016 could have produced (even before their embarrassing Trumpian meltdown), the DNC could have shown a little more imagination before anointing her queen so early in this process.
I believe most Sanders supporters have enough sense to vote for HRC if they have to in the general election. The whole world is afraid of Trump becoming President. And bringing up the canard that Nader was responsible for the election of GW Bush only stiffens the resolve of the Sanders people.
The long and short of it is that at this point Sanders appears to appeal more to the crucially independent important swing voters than HRC does.
5
He totally lost me weeks ago. Messiah complex on the part of someone who hasn't even fully put together a platform. The idea that he can NOT win the primaries and burn down the Democratic Party in a pique is not that of a grownup candidate. Bernie is an embarrassment now.
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The only bern we will feel is if he burns down the country with his Nader-like ego. There are tons of constructive programs he can implement in a Democrat-controlled Senate. In a Trump presidency he will be not even an after-thought. He will spend years trying to justify, as has Nader, the gift of the country to the rich and powerful. Irony is a bitter pill, Bern.
9
This isn't about free college or how nice it is in Denmark. Not anymore. This is about President Donald Trump. I don't care if you are to the left of the Symbionese Liberation Army, you won't benefit from a President Donald Trump.
Bernie may not be around long enough to experience the full breadth, width and depth of a completely Republican government. But his fans will have to live with this outcome, unless and until Donald blows it all up.
Bernie may not be around long enough to experience the full breadth, width and depth of a completely Republican government. But his fans will have to live with this outcome, unless and until Donald blows it all up.
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From a personal point of view, I'm looking forward to T. Rump kicking Hillary's behind. While that will suck for this country, it will be just the kind of powerful humiliation she deserves.
What would be more fitting for this egregiously greedy and corrupt, power-hungry person, than having the entire goal of her inhuman life squashed by a stunning blowhard like T. Rump?
She'll crawl back into her hole after getting smoked, and I'll laugh all the way to Canada.
What would be more fitting for this egregiously greedy and corrupt, power-hungry person, than having the entire goal of her inhuman life squashed by a stunning blowhard like T. Rump?
She'll crawl back into her hole after getting smoked, and I'll laugh all the way to Canada.
3
I am just one of the many millions of Bernie Sanders supporters who will be delighted to leave the corporate Democratic Party behind until they return to representing the people like they used to. Instead, since the Clintons came along, they have embraced the third way agenda in representing corporations and the big money interests. No more corporate Democrats. If the party doesn't get the message, they will lose even more elections. Thank God for Bernie Sanders.
7
Why anyone would think the NYT would print a credible piece about the Sanders campaign after being in the tank for Hillary since day one is beyond me. They don't or won't get it. People are sick of the same old, same old Democratic party which is basically the old Rockefeller Republican party. The choice has moved relentlessly to the right for the past 30+ years. Sanders' followers are trying to bring back the Democratic party of FDR. Simple as that.
6
Maybe they just want to incite Sanders supporters to get angry.
A little reverse psychology from a pro-Trump outfit.
Do not base your choice in November based on your opinion of the NY Times. You have no idea what is REALLY going on behind the scenes ...
A little reverse psychology from a pro-Trump outfit.
Do not base your choice in November based on your opinion of the NY Times. You have no idea what is REALLY going on behind the scenes ...
Proud of my Senator, Jeff Merkely, for truly representing his constiuents who gave Bernie the Oregon primary win. Let the voters vote.
6
"willing to harm" is a curious way of saying "wanting to debate"
6
There is always a Ralph Nader in the democratic pocket. Bernie Sanders need to think about the common good and get out. I think he has an inflated of himself and he is now dangerous.
5
How can you have a headline about Harming Hillary Clinton when you clearly state underhanded treatment of Bernie Sanders right in your article: "a debate schedule that his campaign said favored Mrs. Clinton; a fund-raising arrangement between the party and the Clinton campaign; the appointment of fierce Clinton partisans as leaders of important convention committees; "?
4
"It just doesn't matter anymore". Since the century's turn, Washington DC has created a culture that accomplishes NOTHING for its constituency: Americans. That's why Trump is in and Bernie's still standing. I may vote for Hillary in the general, but I'm donating to Bernie again today. If Bernie's message of reform is lost among DNC leaders, maybe Trump will win, and maybe Trump should win. We owe Hillary and the Democrats nothing. Washington deserves a strong, hard slap in the face right now.
3
Whether on the left or right, people don't like a rigged system.
4
Bernie may be the only honest, genuine candidate we well have in decades, if ever again. The public does not know. Why? All these labels - Centrist, socialist, etc. Interpretations, extrapolations, guessing. Where are the facts? The media has really let the us down. They have been reporting politics like a reality show. Too much focus on polls and their own personal opinions. Too much focus on Trump. No focus on issues and the facts. The NY Times is leading the journalistic disgrace. CNN follows. Even NPR is disappointing. The DNC has ignored Bernie as a candidate along with the press. Now after this circumstance in Nevada, he is a villain. The media and the DNC is saying, "Oh boy we got something now..." The FBI has information enough to indict Clinton on her email lapse, but no news. The bias is sickening. This electoral process is a joke. The number of people who died to vote is the saddest. Our vote is meaningless. The Country Club ideology of the political parties that exclude "outsiders" like Bernie and Donald is the worst. People are starting to see. The NYT has outlived its mission and purpose. Now they are propaganda sheet. We as a nation needs a free press. We don't have that. We as a nation needs to be a democracy. We don't have that either. This is sad. Sad only.
4
If he wants to perpetuate his influence and support the progressive policies he claims to embody, Mr. Sanders needs to change his tactics. Unfortunately for him and our country, I'm not sure he has the wherewithal to do so.
2
If Trump wins Bernie is going to wish he had as positive a legacy and was as fondly remembered as Nader.
3
I've been reading about how Bernie shouldn't "damage" Her Heinous since the Iowa caucuses. The assumption of her winning by the press that gave her 4-5 times as much exposure clear up to the super Tuesday contests is how she amassed much of her lead over Bernie. The insiders, including the Times, know that she can't build on her initial polling and is "damaged" by people getting to know her and her history.
Donald Trump will need no guide book, even if written by Bernie, in "damaging" her, and will likely relish the opportunity to make another reality show on the national stage. It will be called "This Is Your Life" and will have her in a fetal ball behind her podium in the first debate. Times readers should be asking why there is so little interest in discovering the best qualified candidate for the general election. We are in the "primary" phase of the process, which is intended to do just that, not anoint the establishment's pre-selection. She certainly didn't give consideration to how she was "damaging" then Senator Obama in '08, and she fought right up to the convention. If she can be "damaged" by Bernie it's best to find that out before she has to face an attack dog like Trump.
Donald Trump will need no guide book, even if written by Bernie, in "damaging" her, and will likely relish the opportunity to make another reality show on the national stage. It will be called "This Is Your Life" and will have her in a fetal ball behind her podium in the first debate. Times readers should be asking why there is so little interest in discovering the best qualified candidate for the general election. We are in the "primary" phase of the process, which is intended to do just that, not anoint the establishment's pre-selection. She certainly didn't give consideration to how she was "damaging" then Senator Obama in '08, and she fought right up to the convention. If she can be "damaged" by Bernie it's best to find that out before she has to face an attack dog like Trump.
4
Face it, Sanders and Weaver are enraged that their white male privilege isn't working the way they expected it to work. Sanders is losing the primary by millions and millions of popular votes, by hundreds of pledged delegates and by hundreds of superdelegates--and they are screeching that the 'system' is unfair. Hah. The only thing that's changed is that the 2016 system that doesn't grant Sanders and Weaver automatic status based on their white male heritage.
By contrast, HIllary is subjected to nonstop media bias and constant remarks about her lack of voter enthusiasm. Millions of women donating can't be heard somehow, apparently sounding like trees falling in a far away forest.
By contrast, HIllary is subjected to nonstop media bias and constant remarks about her lack of voter enthusiasm. Millions of women donating can't be heard somehow, apparently sounding like trees falling in a far away forest.
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Seems to me that Bernie has been set up from the start. The DNC has exposed itself as a corrupt and anachronistic apparatus built for a previous century, and must be dismantled. The NYT and all other mainstream media also had it in for Bernie all along, working in ad hoc collusion.
Now Bernie is a "problem child," sitting in his crib and pouting because HRC is home already polishing her acceptance speech in Philadelphia?
Bernie is drawing 20,000 people at a clip to his campaign stops. Hillary is good for about 400 attendees at her rallies.
Bernie is the only candidate with a life-long record of fighting for the right issues, and making a difference. From civil rights, banking laws, to the environment.
Stop the ad hominem attacks!
As Murray Bolesta (NYT pick) said, which resonates with most of us: a revolution isn't done meekly. Reversing decades of massive conservative encroachment on the people and the planet isn't done submissively. I believe we have one big surprise left in this campaign. It's called Bernie Sanders.
Now Bernie is a "problem child," sitting in his crib and pouting because HRC is home already polishing her acceptance speech in Philadelphia?
Bernie is drawing 20,000 people at a clip to his campaign stops. Hillary is good for about 400 attendees at her rallies.
Bernie is the only candidate with a life-long record of fighting for the right issues, and making a difference. From civil rights, banking laws, to the environment.
Stop the ad hominem attacks!
As Murray Bolesta (NYT pick) said, which resonates with most of us: a revolution isn't done meekly. Reversing decades of massive conservative encroachment on the people and the planet isn't done submissively. I believe we have one big surprise left in this campaign. It's called Bernie Sanders.
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I am a life long Democrate and will vote the party ticket this fall but, if Sanders and his kind do not do everything possible to secure the White House and Senate for the Democratic Party, and we lose, he and they should be held personally responsible for worst election disaster in American history.
4
Clinton is an attorney and bureaucrat, not a leader. She can never beat Trump.
4
I like Senator Sanders ideas. Can some of his passion also be directed to electing other progressives in Congress?
I just hope he doesn't prove to be Bernie Naders.
I just hope he doesn't prove to be Bernie Naders.
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He is fundraising for other progressive , albeit not "celebrity" progressive candidates> Teachout, Flores, etc. But MSM will not tell you that, check Politico or Sanders's website
5
Sanders and Trump both present a story that the traditional parties do not. They recognize that what is is broken.Trump feeds the angry; Sanders appeals to the disappointed, disgusted and disillusioned. What both say is that the American Dream is a thing of the past...Remember 'NETWORK's" 'I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore.' Hillary say I can make the system work better. Really? It was Bill who dismembered Glass-Steagall. And how well did the system work when Mich McConnell said that his life's purpose was to make Obama a one term POTUS and then, when he failed at that, to block any and everything our only nationally elected person sought to do? The system IS broken! Noam Chomsky is sounding more and more the prophet every year; in every administration, whose election leads to more and more despair, we hear the elected person promising to do better; that he or she 'knows' what to do. Remember 'folly'? repeatedly failing at a task while doing it over and over again and every time expecting a different result. If we truly want a democracy, we should make voting easier - not harder; if we truly want an absence of corruption, the Sheldon Adelsons, Goldman-Sacks, et at., should not be allowed to buy the candidates; if we truly want the American Dream to exist and can't remember how it once worked here, look at nations where it does work...Scandinavia, Holland, etc. They took our dream and made it theirs. Are we so filled with pride that we cannot see...cannot learn?
4
Scorched Earth. Watch him run as an independent after the convention.
3
If he were blackmailed he would.
Otherwise, he wouldn't.
Otherwise, he wouldn't.
Hillary Clinton had 400 Super Delegates commited to her before she announced her candidacy. Where were the complaints then? The DNC under Howard Dean was fair and impartial. The DNC under DWS has been just the opposite. She should have been replaced.
I have very mixed emotions about what Bernie Sanders is doing now because I don't want Donald Trump to become president. Hillary Clinton is by far the better choice even though I do not like her or trust her.
I have very mixed emotions about what Bernie Sanders is doing now because I don't want Donald Trump to become president. Hillary Clinton is by far the better choice even though I do not like her or trust her.
Bernie can hold his head high. He owes Hillary nothing. He is battling her because he is moving the Democratic party back to the pre-Clinton era, a party that represented the interests of the working class. Bernie has said he has an uphill climb but it is Hillary who will have the uphill climb against Trump, who has appealed to people Hillary turns off.
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I believe Sanders cares not one bit about the Democratic party or who wins the election if it is not him. In fact, he probably hopes it is Trump if not him. While I believe it is part ego, I think the bigger issue for him is not dissimilar to the old SWP stance of it is better to burn down the house in hopes of building a new political reality on top of the ashes than live with the creeping incremental progress of Obama or Clinton. The collateral damage of a Trump presidency is a small price to pay in his delusions of a new American revolution.
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“Bernie and I have known each other for a long time, and I believe he is better than this,” Mr. Reid said Wednesday.
... A number of Bernie's friends seem to be saying this, yet the evidence points to the contrary.
... A number of Bernie's friends seem to be saying this, yet the evidence points to the contrary.
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Somebody got the message. Roosevelt's radical determination had an impact on the system. Go, Bernie, go.