Congratulations Senator Sanders on your win in Oregon and hopefully also Kentucky. I will be urging the elected Super Delegates in my state of CT to support and vote for you in July. Governor Malloy, Rep. Joe Courtney, Senator Blumenthal, and Senator Murphy supported Hillary Clinton prematurely, before they even heard the debates and grasped the power of your message and the disdain that many in the Democratic Party have for Clinton. How can she demand Trump release his taxes, while she refuses to release the content of speeches to special interests and those who fund her campaign. The country wants to move on from Benghazi, someone who believes they are above the rules ( setting up her own servers), the White Water controversy in which Vince Foster took his life and papers from his office regarding the transactions were then taken, Susan McDougal being pardoned by Clinton....it's enough. We deserve better. Please help us move forward. Good luck in Philadelphia.
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To all the people disgusted by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, consider supporting Tim Canova, who is running against her for her congressional seat. I've already contributed to him & will do so again in light of her most recent antics.
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First I must say I am supporting the Bern and I think he would be the best democrat candidate.
However, I disagree with the assumption that Hillary should prevail, she will win the nomination and lose the general election.
Common guys!. I don’t like her, but I admit that Hillary is well suited to fight Trump.
She is a STRONG, SUCCESSFULL, CAPABLE AND CONFIDENT woman!
She is precisely what Trump most fears and dislikes.
She is The Donald's Kryptonite and it will show in a general election.
However, I disagree with the assumption that Hillary should prevail, she will win the nomination and lose the general election.
Common guys!. I don’t like her, but I admit that Hillary is well suited to fight Trump.
She is a STRONG, SUCCESSFULL, CAPABLE AND CONFIDENT woman!
She is precisely what Trump most fears and dislikes.
She is The Donald's Kryptonite and it will show in a general election.
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To the democrats who say that they will pick up and leave the country if Mrs. Clinton is not elected president: that is the very definition of "privilege." We cannot all afford this luxury to pout on the Riviera, so stop throwing the charge of being "privileged" at people who insist on voting their conscience.
After you leave, many of us will remain her to do the hard work of fighting for our democracy. If you want to go, then go. Run away from the real work. You'd have been a great help in 1776...
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After you leave, many of us will remain her to do the hard work of fighting for our democracy. If you want to go, then go. Run away from the real work. You'd have been a great help in 1776...
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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You forget Bernie is a Socialist. He is not a Democrat. What would happen down ticket to Democrats? And I think the Koch Brothers want Bernie too. Once he is the nominee they will endlessly beat on the "socialist" candidate which will turn up the negatives for Bernie
in conservative regions.
in conservative regions.
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I fully intend to vote for Bernie, if he can get the nomination. But, if he doesn't, I'll vote for Trump. Hillary is a big disappointment. She is part of our Washington problem. All the politicians are bought off. Bernie and Trump are the exceptions.
I don't understand why people think Trump would be so bad. He couldn't possibly do worse for this country than Bill and W. NAFTA and W's war. It doesn't get anywise that that.
I'm in my late 60"s and have always voted democratic. But, this time, I will proudly vote against the establishment. And I have news for all you Hillary supporters and Trump haters' I'm no the only one.
I don't understand why people think Trump would be so bad. He couldn't possibly do worse for this country than Bill and W. NAFTA and W's war. It doesn't get anywise that that.
I'm in my late 60"s and have always voted democratic. But, this time, I will proudly vote against the establishment. And I have news for all you Hillary supporters and Trump haters' I'm no the only one.
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BoB (BernieorBust) true believers have revealed their true colors. BoB has demonstrated contempt and lack of compassion more suited to the Right Wing mentality. If the BoB revolt throws the White House to a Republican by refusing to support Secretary Clinton in a fit of pique when candidate Sanders fails to win the nomination, BoB will do this knowing the first order of business for any GOP administration will be dismantling President Obama’s accomplishments, starting with the Affordable Health Care Act the GOP disparagingly dubbed Obama Care and have already tried to repeal sixty-two times. BoB’s casual indifference to the welfare of others demonstrates BoB true believers don’t know what being Liberal means. Indeed, BoB true believers sound like the worst of Right Wing extremists: sociopaths devoid of empathy. For no one can show such cavalier disregard for others and claim Progressive provenance, much less Progressive high ground.
http://regressivewatch.org
http://regressivewatch.org
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Sanders has some of the most progressive philosophies of any previous presidential candidate to date. Most I can support. However, this country has never been just about any single president. Yes there has been very dynamic presidents that projected great passion which created a lot of energy within the country. Still, our government system is made of many, many other people and properties. For instance, is there anyone who believes that if Bernie Sanders wins the nomination for the Democratic Party...that the GOP, conservatives, Tea Party, National Socialist Movement Party, the Kochs and their ilk will just fade away? Does anyone see the number of Red States just automatically swinging to some hue of blue? The real question is "Will Bernie Sanders Philosophies stand up to the opposition" at least from the presidential position? I mean, Bernie, a good man, trying to do good work now and has always been trying to do good work from within the framework of his philosophies, how many of them have come to fruition? How will being president really make Bernie's philosophies become any more real? I mean, this is what Bernie is running on...great change...good change but great change. I do believe that Hillary Clinton has a better understanding of how to achieve baby steps not just in this country but in this world. She would however be wise to listen very carefully to Bernie and his philosophies.
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Bernie looks good in the polls against Trump for one reason. Not a cent of GOP money has been spent roasting Sen. Sanders in the media. See how well he's polling after months of a hammer and sickle superimposed over his face on TV. And his honeymoon in the former Soviet Union. And basically not having a steady job until he was forty. And not practicing his religion. And none of the numbers add up to support his policy proposals. Wonderful candidate ? No way.
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Einstein once used the "Principle of Simplicity" in the study and development of quantum theory. Instead of getting down to looking at the issue from a micro perspective he drew way back to change his perspective. In voting, I believe that using Einstein's idea of backing off, changing the perspective is the right thing to do. There were times in US history that party lines were not quite so adhered to and some politicians ran more of a moderate platform. That is no longer true. No longer true. Today, the US population has been "driven" by the actions of the GOP, to polar extremes. The idea of voting for the running candidate has now become voting for the running party. Now, it is a case of voting for either republicans or Democrats...that is what this has become. Those two political parties may have a particular face that represents them but none the less, it is the party that is the simplest perspective.
There are two problems at play. First the republicans have established restrictive laws making it more difficult for specific people to be able to vote and these restrictive laws tend to affect the Democratic leaning voters. Next, there is sheer apathy within the ranks of the democratic leaning voters, that they don't get out and vote. Both are resolvable. Since the restrictive laws are not impassable and voting is something we, as Americans" have the right to do. Getting out and voting is something requiring a certain passion for the goodness of this nation.
There are two problems at play. First the republicans have established restrictive laws making it more difficult for specific people to be able to vote and these restrictive laws tend to affect the Democratic leaning voters. Next, there is sheer apathy within the ranks of the democratic leaning voters, that they don't get out and vote. Both are resolvable. Since the restrictive laws are not impassable and voting is something we, as Americans" have the right to do. Getting out and voting is something requiring a certain passion for the goodness of this nation.
Sanders is seriously starting to bite hard at the hand that feeds him -- namely the DNC....Now, his aides are blatantly claiming that they are undercutting him.
It's bad enough that Sanders can't see eye to eye with Harry Reid, one of the few Senators, with whom he still has cordial ties.
But to insult the entire Democratic Party (which has been more than financially generous), then attack his fellow candidate and her supporters -- and in general, come off as some kind of ingrate, is not making the Sanders-brand look any more appealing.
And it's guaranteed to get a lot worse.
Some "revolution".
It's bad enough that Sanders can't see eye to eye with Harry Reid, one of the few Senators, with whom he still has cordial ties.
But to insult the entire Democratic Party (which has been more than financially generous), then attack his fellow candidate and her supporters -- and in general, come off as some kind of ingrate, is not making the Sanders-brand look any more appealing.
And it's guaranteed to get a lot worse.
Some "revolution".
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Sanders has worked tirelessly in this campaign to give millions a voice at the Democratic convention. It will be a real shame - and a huge setback for the country - if his backers throw away that hard-won opportunity out of anger and resentment.
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Life expectancy for females is 81.2 years; for males, it's only 76.4 years. That difference of 4.8 years. Donald Drumpf is 69 years old and Bernie Sanders, well, he is 74 years old. Hillary is only 68 years old. If Hillary is to play the "woman card"...play this one. Statistically Hillary will outlive the Drumpf and Bernie by many years. Also, Hillary’s mother lived till she was 92 so she has strong family linage.Now put into the equation that Hillary Clinton can also play the “most experienced” card and is well versed in the realm of politics at the State, Congressional, Presidential, and International levels. She is the most experienced politician running in the presidential race. She has more political experience than any previous presidential forerunner. As a person, Hillary knows what it is like to grow up poor, work her way up, and break through many glass ceilings. She has a connection to not just the super-rich but also to the middle class and the poor. Hillary has the view of being able to look back at what is needed and the ability to see forward to the true environment at what is in front of her.
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I was leaning Sanders until his message got co-opted by the Ann Coulter wing of the Republican party.
I listened very carefully to Sanders speech last night, and what I heard was a polemic on political process and veiled threats of a third party run.
The parallels to Trump's incessant diatribes on the same topics ( "The GOP is crooked", "If I'm not treated nicely I'll hit back" ) were so strong, I've decided to throw my support to Hillary.
On policy, Hillary and Bernie are practically identical, but Bernie is not realistic. For example, his statement that he sees a possibility of winning the pledged delegate count shows a willful suspension of reality that he offers up to his supporters. I found it sad that he would lie to them like that.
I listened very carefully to Sanders speech last night, and what I heard was a polemic on political process and veiled threats of a third party run.
The parallels to Trump's incessant diatribes on the same topics ( "The GOP is crooked", "If I'm not treated nicely I'll hit back" ) were so strong, I've decided to throw my support to Hillary.
On policy, Hillary and Bernie are practically identical, but Bernie is not realistic. For example, his statement that he sees a possibility of winning the pledged delegate count shows a willful suspension of reality that he offers up to his supporters. I found it sad that he would lie to them like that.
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Clinton is not qualified to be president. There is very little difference between her and many republicans who, although disgusted with Trump will probably vote for him just because he will choose supeme court judges that will overthrow every social gain over the past years.
Clinton may be a female candidte for president but she has recently said very clearly she cannot manage by herself. More than once she has mentioned the jobs she would give to her husband to do!! I doubt we are interested in have a husband and wife presidential team!!
Bachelet in Chile and Rosseff in Brazil don't bring their hubands along. Does anyone see Merkel's husband giving a hand? What about the female presidents and prime ministers in scandanavian and
eastern european countries. All hand in hand with hubby? I haven't seen female presidents in Africa much--but I think they are able to manage by themselves. I doubt that the female president of South Korea gives up to men. She was badly injured during her campaign. Rosseff was tortured.
We have Mrs. Clinton--and we will have her husband too. Can you imagine how Trump (and other republicans) will drag them over the coals! He has already started on her and is well aware that even many many women don't want her as president.
Clinton may be a female candidte for president but she has recently said very clearly she cannot manage by herself. More than once she has mentioned the jobs she would give to her husband to do!! I doubt we are interested in have a husband and wife presidential team!!
Bachelet in Chile and Rosseff in Brazil don't bring their hubands along. Does anyone see Merkel's husband giving a hand? What about the female presidents and prime ministers in scandanavian and
eastern european countries. All hand in hand with hubby? I haven't seen female presidents in Africa much--but I think they are able to manage by themselves. I doubt that the female president of South Korea gives up to men. She was badly injured during her campaign. Rosseff was tortured.
We have Mrs. Clinton--and we will have her husband too. Can you imagine how Trump (and other republicans) will drag them over the coals! He has already started on her and is well aware that even many many women don't want her as president.
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He's a one-issue, petulant, angry old man who into the 1970s was an apologist and stooge for the Soviet Union.
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The once ridiculous notion of a Trump presidency now seems to me a legitimate threat. For a nation to be great, it is not enough to be true to progressive, liberal or conservative ideology. We need a sense of decency and common respect. But just as I thought all decorum was lost, Bern and his supporters are reminding me of how we can sink even lower.
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Bernie has been the epitome of civility, and cannot be held responsible for the behavior of a few supporters in Nevada. He was overly gentlemanly, IMHO when he gave Hillary a free pass on her scandalous emails and private server, and if you dig a little bit into recent revelations about her "charitable" trust, you will realize he has if anything been treating her with kid gloves.
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“You know, a person could say one bad thing and everybody remembers it, and she can say 10 good things and nobody remembers that,” Ms. Gilbert said. “And that’s the truth in life.” Because optics is all. We all fill in the missing details as we wish.
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I think it's clear Bernie is now all about Bernie, not winning in November. Obviously, he's only a Democrat of convenience -- actually being a Social Democrat -- so he's clearly not interested in helping the party defeat Trump. His words and his actions -- and his "wink -wink" non-apology for the violence in Nevada show he's just about promoting his agenda, and himself. If Trump wins in November, it will be in no small measure to him.
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If Bernie supporters-who really have turned off practically everyone except themselves with their rudeness-want to stay at home on Tuesday, 2 November, and let Trump win, well then no one can do anything about it. Let them sulk, complain and be Naders and then witness (and bear the guilt for) all that was achieved in Obama's eight years dismantled by Trump.
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How about the Democratic Party treating Senator Sanders and his supporters with some respect, allowing them to influence the Democratic platform, and inviting Bernie to campaign for Hillary?
That is the best way to get Sanders supporters to the polls for Clinton in November.
That is the best way to get Sanders supporters to the polls for Clinton in November.
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If Trump wins, it would in many respects be the same as Hillary winning as far as many Sanders supporters are concerned: a neoconservative administration catering to a Wall Street and abusive corporate interests. A Trump presidency would make a Warren (or perhaps even Sanders, in a second try) more likely in 2020: most Sanders supporters are in the young side and consider the transformation worth waiting for if necessary.
If Hillary loses, though. It won't be Sanders' fault. She has prolonged the contest by allowing a cloud of uncertainty to hang over her in regard to the Goldman Sachs transcripts. Every voter leaning toward Sanders or wary that Hillary may pull a bait-and-switch and swing right in keeping with her obvious Wall Street alliances, feels these speeches may be her "47% moment", a revelation of her true stripes. She had dodged and parried every effort to get the truth, evaded every chance to dispel what so many of us believe.
If Hillary loses, though. It won't be Sanders' fault. She has prolonged the contest by allowing a cloud of uncertainty to hang over her in regard to the Goldman Sachs transcripts. Every voter leaning toward Sanders or wary that Hillary may pull a bait-and-switch and swing right in keeping with her obvious Wall Street alliances, feels these speeches may be her "47% moment", a revelation of her true stripes. She had dodged and parried every effort to get the truth, evaded every chance to dispel what so many of us believe.
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It's amazing that the candidate who has won Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Ohio, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, and will likely win California and New Jersey is deemed by some to be the weak candidate. Indeed, this candidate will win 9 of the ten largest U.S. states, and 19 of the 25 largest states, and in so doing will earn more than 3 million additional votes over the opposing candidate.
Rather than being accepted as the dominate political force, it is the candidate that to date has won just 42.72 percent of the votes casts is declared the stronger candidate, and the better choice to be the party's nominee.
That is some incredibly fuzz math.
Rather than being accepted as the dominate political force, it is the candidate that to date has won just 42.72 percent of the votes casts is declared the stronger candidate, and the better choice to be the party's nominee.
That is some incredibly fuzz math.
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Votes cast: bad metric because it discounts caucus states.
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Well, to clarify for some of my fellow commenters:
I loathe Hillary for everything she has shown to me of herself over the years, in public. I don't need anyone else's talking points or attack dogs to help me in my utter contempt for her. Though I am a woman of mature years, I'm not yet so senile that I can't remember what she said at one point, and then at another, and another, always claiming that she didn't say what I heard her say, or she misspoke, etc. etc. etc.
Is it my business that she chose to stay with Bill? No. Is it my business, as a citizen and voter, that her response to Bill's constant infidelities was to try to destroy the lives and reputations of anyone with the guts to either acknowledge a consensual affair or to protest a sexual assault or attempted assault? You betcha.
I am a pretty good judge of character, and I do understand nuances of body language, inflection etc. etc., and I find Hillary Clinton to be among the most distasteful public figures I have ever had to endure. She's not a champion of human and women's rights--she's an assiduous resume-builder. She doesn't have wisdom and experience--she's a professional grafter. She doesn't have a lifetime of experience--she has lived her life on Bill's coattails, which unfortunately for her are too frayed, now, to support her weight any longer.
Do I think Bernie's the Messiah? No. Am I troubled by the Burlington College debacle? Yeah. But better Sanders than Clinton.
I loathe Hillary for everything she has shown to me of herself over the years, in public. I don't need anyone else's talking points or attack dogs to help me in my utter contempt for her. Though I am a woman of mature years, I'm not yet so senile that I can't remember what she said at one point, and then at another, and another, always claiming that she didn't say what I heard her say, or she misspoke, etc. etc. etc.
Is it my business that she chose to stay with Bill? No. Is it my business, as a citizen and voter, that her response to Bill's constant infidelities was to try to destroy the lives and reputations of anyone with the guts to either acknowledge a consensual affair or to protest a sexual assault or attempted assault? You betcha.
I am a pretty good judge of character, and I do understand nuances of body language, inflection etc. etc., and I find Hillary Clinton to be among the most distasteful public figures I have ever had to endure. She's not a champion of human and women's rights--she's an assiduous resume-builder. She doesn't have wisdom and experience--she's a professional grafter. She doesn't have a lifetime of experience--she has lived her life on Bill's coattails, which unfortunately for her are too frayed, now, to support her weight any longer.
Do I think Bernie's the Messiah? No. Am I troubled by the Burlington College debacle? Yeah. But better Sanders than Clinton.
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It really is impossible for Bernie to win. Even if he splits the delegates in NJ and California and wins all of the remaining contests it won't matter.
Hillary is wise not to spend too much time at this point engaging with Bernie.
At least I think it's safe to assume his supporters have enough intelligence to vote against Trump.
Hillary is wise not to spend too much time at this point engaging with Bernie.
At least I think it's safe to assume his supporters have enough intelligence to vote against Trump.
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The Sanders supporter's anger will hand the election to Trump. I'm afraid that our party is in total disarray. I'm very worried.
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I honestly cannot believe the incredibly juvenile comments posted on these pages every day for the past 6+ months. And now that the contest is over (and it is over) the vitriol is getting WORSE.
It was a good contest. Two qualified and pretty much ideologically aligned candidates with somewhat different perspectives on governing. Healthy for the Democratic party and healthy for the democracy itself. It may have gotten a bit heated at times (it always does) but one only need look at the GOP primaries to see what 'ugly' really looks like.
In the end, the super delegates had no effect on the process. There was no 'voter fraud'. There was no conspiracy. The rules have been in place for decades and both candidates followed them.
Someone had to get more votes and win. She did.
Now ... are the followers of these two very similar ideologies going to unite and elect a Democratic President or are some of us going to continue to spew hatred and vitriol to the point of decimating the process to the degree that will ultimately cost the Dems the election?
I hope not.
It was a good contest. Two qualified and pretty much ideologically aligned candidates with somewhat different perspectives on governing. Healthy for the Democratic party and healthy for the democracy itself. It may have gotten a bit heated at times (it always does) but one only need look at the GOP primaries to see what 'ugly' really looks like.
In the end, the super delegates had no effect on the process. There was no 'voter fraud'. There was no conspiracy. The rules have been in place for decades and both candidates followed them.
Someone had to get more votes and win. She did.
Now ... are the followers of these two very similar ideologies going to unite and elect a Democratic President or are some of us going to continue to spew hatred and vitriol to the point of decimating the process to the degree that will ultimately cost the Dems the election?
I hope not.
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Sanders has every right to continue with his campaign. Sadly, though, he is beginning to resemble Trump in his approach to campaigning, if not in his stance on important issues.
1) He and his supporters blame the media for unfair coverage.
2) He and his supporters consider the nomination system ( known to all
ahead of time ) "rigged" in favor of his opponent.
3) He has accused the national leader of the party for the election of bias
against him.
4) He has failed to unequivocally and forcefully condemn rude, violent, and threatening behavior on the part of his supporters.
5) He has just about ignored requests by a leader of his supposed party to act responsibly.
6) In his animus against the "establishment," he has whipped his supporters into a frenzy of sometimes simplistic dissent that may spin out of his control and that may have dire consequences for the future of the nation.
1) He and his supporters blame the media for unfair coverage.
2) He and his supporters consider the nomination system ( known to all
ahead of time ) "rigged" in favor of his opponent.
3) He has accused the national leader of the party for the election of bias
against him.
4) He has failed to unequivocally and forcefully condemn rude, violent, and threatening behavior on the part of his supporters.
5) He has just about ignored requests by a leader of his supposed party to act responsibly.
6) In his animus against the "establishment," he has whipped his supporters into a frenzy of sometimes simplistic dissent that may spin out of his control and that may have dire consequences for the future of the nation.
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You forgot one. Like Trump, Sanders also refuses to release his taxes.
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He is not in control & we are experiencing dire consequences of years of corporate-people manipulation. So sad. #sowlove.
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I just don't get the vitriol directed towards Sec. Clinton. She strikes me as always being the smartest person in the room. She’s ambitious. People without ambition don't spend a lifetime in public service establishing themselves to be in a position to run for president of the United States.
The server business? Talk to the IT people. With her smarts, do you really think if using a personal server was off limits per her job description, she would have used it? I use the wireless gateway device Comcast gives me, I don't know anything about information technology. That's what I pay the tech people for. Her husband’s transgressions? That’s his cross to bear. Would the haters vote for her if she’d divorced him? Big money for giving speeches - she's playing major league ball. People are willing to pay astronomical ticket prices to see top notch players. I thought that's what people loved about America - the possibility of making lots of dough.
Let's face it, global corporations run things anyway. All we can hope for is a counterbalance to extreme conservatism. I’d love to see Mr. Sanders's social policies enacted; I don't think the powers that be will allow it. Sec. Clinton is intelligent and has the stamina and executive disposition to be president. Media view our political system and economic structure through the lens of unfettered capitalism. Accepting that, the only choices we have are between conservatives-gone-wild or comparatively compassionate liberals.
The server business? Talk to the IT people. With her smarts, do you really think if using a personal server was off limits per her job description, she would have used it? I use the wireless gateway device Comcast gives me, I don't know anything about information technology. That's what I pay the tech people for. Her husband’s transgressions? That’s his cross to bear. Would the haters vote for her if she’d divorced him? Big money for giving speeches - she's playing major league ball. People are willing to pay astronomical ticket prices to see top notch players. I thought that's what people loved about America - the possibility of making lots of dough.
Let's face it, global corporations run things anyway. All we can hope for is a counterbalance to extreme conservatism. I’d love to see Mr. Sanders's social policies enacted; I don't think the powers that be will allow it. Sec. Clinton is intelligent and has the stamina and executive disposition to be president. Media view our political system and economic structure through the lens of unfettered capitalism. Accepting that, the only choices we have are between conservatives-gone-wild or comparatively compassionate liberals.
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Your resignation to the status quo is sad. Thank god for young people who still dare to believe in a better world for all.
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Sanders and Clinton agree on nearly every front, and in those areas of disagreement I almost universally agree with Hillary. Sanders has rhetoric but no coherent plan to implement his goals. And even if he did, his objectives seem to me more likely to result in financial calamity than salvation. I am voting with both my head and my heart, and I desperately hope that we can get enough pragmatic progressives in all branches of government to improve lives for everyone in this country (it does not have to be "us vs. them").
A subset (I believe) of Sanders supporters seem frighteningly close-minded and dangerously close to believing that the ends will justify the means, that they know what is best for everyone else in this country and that they would be willing to enforce their will by any means necessary. I am heart-broken that Sanders and his campaign appear to be encouraging them. It is time to bring Americans together, not tear us apart.
A subset (I believe) of Sanders supporters seem frighteningly close-minded and dangerously close to believing that the ends will justify the means, that they know what is best for everyone else in this country and that they would be willing to enforce their will by any means necessary. I am heart-broken that Sanders and his campaign appear to be encouraging them. It is time to bring Americans together, not tear us apart.
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Many economists have endorsed his economic plan. I doubt they consider themselves socialists.
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1. Bernie against Trump in a debate would be a disaster for Bernie. He cannot hold up against Trump.
2. If Bernie's supporters are mad about what happened in Nevada and swear they will vote for Trump instead of Clinton, all they will be doing is cutting off their noses to spite their face. Trump will not deliver anything to you that Bernie and Hillary are campaigning for - cheaper college, better health care, etc. Trump does not care about Bernie's supporters and voting for Trump will destroy this country.
3. We all know that it's impossible for Bernie to get the nomination, no matter how many chairs you throw at someone. Hillary has 3 million more votes than him and she only needs 90 more delegates to win. It's fine if he wants to stay in the race until June but the writing is on the wall.
2. If Bernie's supporters are mad about what happened in Nevada and swear they will vote for Trump instead of Clinton, all they will be doing is cutting off their noses to spite their face. Trump will not deliver anything to you that Bernie and Hillary are campaigning for - cheaper college, better health care, etc. Trump does not care about Bernie's supporters and voting for Trump will destroy this country.
3. We all know that it's impossible for Bernie to get the nomination, no matter how many chairs you throw at someone. Hillary has 3 million more votes than him and she only needs 90 more delegates to win. It's fine if he wants to stay in the race until June but the writing is on the wall.
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I was a Bernie supporter in the beginning - I sent him money, had a yard sign, a bumper sticker, and a Bernie pin on my jacket. But my outward support for Bernie simply never evolved into a true belief in him or his abilities. I like Hillary Clinton. I respect and trust Hillary Clinton. She is a strong woman, she is a strong candidate and she will be a strong president.
I agree with those who point to the fact that Sanders hasn't been seriously vetted and therefore his vulnerability as a presidential nominee is an unknown. To me, unknown equals dangerous. I know many find fault with things in Hillary Clinton's past, but her history is public and known. There is no attack that can be made that she hasn't lived through. As she says, "I am still here." And I am glad she is.
I agree with those who point to the fact that Sanders hasn't been seriously vetted and therefore his vulnerability as a presidential nominee is an unknown. To me, unknown equals dangerous. I know many find fault with things in Hillary Clinton's past, but her history is public and known. There is no attack that can be made that she hasn't lived through. As she says, "I am still here." And I am glad she is.
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A man buried up to his neck in the Roman Colosseum as the threatening lions approach says, "This is a deck stacked against the people and me."
The lion leaps and over jumps his victim who raises his neck and bites the lion on its low lying fruit.
A representative of the 1% Emperor, a well dressed Centurian, approaches this buried voice for those denied a voice and kicks sand into his eyes of the soon to be prophet and voice of the dispossessed and destroyed middle class representative and says, "Fight fair Social Democrat!'
The fight goes on today!
The lion leaps and over jumps his victim who raises his neck and bites the lion on its low lying fruit.
A representative of the 1% Emperor, a well dressed Centurian, approaches this buried voice for those denied a voice and kicks sand into his eyes of the soon to be prophet and voice of the dispossessed and destroyed middle class representative and says, "Fight fair Social Democrat!'
The fight goes on today!
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Congratulations to Secretary Clinton on winning Gilliam County in Oregon by 1 vote thus preventing a "clean sweep" of the state by Senator Sanders like he did in West Virginia last week.
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I will give Mrs. Clinton credit in that she has pandered and coddled her supporters into being docile sheep of the machine, instead of brazen and contumelious wards barking at anyone not supporting their 'chosen one' like Bernie and Trump supporters.
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Christian I am a Clinton supporter. I am not "pandered and coddled" and am not a "docile sheep".
I support her because she is the most experienced and knowledgeable candidate. I have known about her career since she worked for the Children's Defense Fund as a young lawyer.
I totally respect her and look forward to calling her Madam President.
I support her because she is the most experienced and knowledgeable candidate. I have known about her career since she worked for the Children's Defense Fund as a young lawyer.
I totally respect her and look forward to calling her Madam President.
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What would you call someone winning 57-43 in national popular vote?
Normal people would say a blow out
Sanders' supporters would call it a win cheated away from them.
What if Hillary won 80-20 in the popular vote? Sanders' supporters might call it a tie.
Normal people would say a blow out
Sanders' supporters would call it a win cheated away from them.
What if Hillary won 80-20 in the popular vote? Sanders' supporters might call it a tie.
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On its surface, last Saturday's Nevada party convention reminds me of the Democratic debate in Flint, Michigan in March. A Michigan mayor, Jim Fouts, was threatened with eviction for cheering Bernie Sanders. Told he was "being very disruptive," and "the people that run this want you ejected, they don't want you here," Fouts asked if it was DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz calling for his removal. The security guy said, "Don't say I said it." The article in The Hill goes on to say: "Fouts, an independent mayor who attended both the Republican and Democratic debates in his home state, commented on the noticeable differences between the two events. 'The Democratic debate is totally controlled by Hillary's good friend DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz,' Fouts wrote in a Facebook post. 'No commentary is allowed by the audience, particularly if you are cheering Bernie Sanders.' " How many videos of chairs being thrown do we have? Threats and violent language have no place but were any of those traced back to actual Sanders supporters? It never hurts to remember to treat others as you would like to be treated.
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sarsaparilla,
Nice comment.
As for NV, nobody was arrested. Nobody was hurt. Nobody was assaulted.
Police were present the whole time.
24hr. hotel security video showed nothing.
Hundreds of smart phones show only the NV DNC stealing the voice and votes of Sanders delegates. A total sham of a event.
The smears and lies continue with the MSM helping.
My cynicism is starting on the "threats and emails" now too. I wouldn't put it past HRC and David Brock to have made these black op's scares.
Here is raw video of the entire event and the "Chair" scare.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/05/200pm-water-cooler-5182016.html
http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-vid...
Nice comment.
As for NV, nobody was arrested. Nobody was hurt. Nobody was assaulted.
Police were present the whole time.
24hr. hotel security video showed nothing.
Hundreds of smart phones show only the NV DNC stealing the voice and votes of Sanders delegates. A total sham of a event.
The smears and lies continue with the MSM helping.
My cynicism is starting on the "threats and emails" now too. I wouldn't put it past HRC and David Brock to have made these black op's scares.
Here is raw video of the entire event and the "Chair" scare.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/05/200pm-water-cooler-5182016.html
http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-vid...
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Sanders and Trump are proof both parties bases disagree with the party platforms, and candidates peddled by party leadership to advance those platforms.
Democratic elite would be making a huge error if they don't pay attention to what Bernie supporters are asking for, as far as trade and foreign policy. It wouldn't take much to push the majority of them to Donald Trump.
Democratic elite would be making a huge error if they don't pay attention to what Bernie supporters are asking for, as far as trade and foreign policy. It wouldn't take much to push the majority of them to Donald Trump.
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It's somewhat hard to fathom why so many people seem not to trust Hillary Clinton or think she's dishonest. It looks like many people simply repeat what someone else has said but provide no genuine basis for their views. Oh it's Bengazi. No it's Bill. No its Whitewater. No, she's a "flawed" candidate.
On and on, like sort of like Facebook news, someone passes along information that amounts to misinformation or disinformation and then others come to believe it because it's been repeated so often..
I would say that no one in public life for as many years as Hillary is impeccable, and there ar doubtless contradictions in views over time.
But Hillary is a particularly intelligent woman, with significant public experience and, while no one is perfect, certainly she is the strongest choice of all those running, including Bernie and certainly Donald Trump. What a mistake it would be to sit on the sidelines waiting for the perfect candidate. There are so many reasons to support Hillary, starting with the next Supreme Court justice, which may will impact our lives to a higher degree over time than the choice now of a President.
On and on, like sort of like Facebook news, someone passes along information that amounts to misinformation or disinformation and then others come to believe it because it's been repeated so often..
I would say that no one in public life for as many years as Hillary is impeccable, and there ar doubtless contradictions in views over time.
But Hillary is a particularly intelligent woman, with significant public experience and, while no one is perfect, certainly she is the strongest choice of all those running, including Bernie and certainly Donald Trump. What a mistake it would be to sit on the sidelines waiting for the perfect candidate. There are so many reasons to support Hillary, starting with the next Supreme Court justice, which may will impact our lives to a higher degree over time than the choice now of a President.
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The pattern continues. If someone brings up a truth that ClintonCo doesn't like, they first get ignored, then smeared. Also, don't you wonder how many of the commenters for Hillary on this page are part of that million-dollar astroturf campaign?
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RCH: I'm not part of Clinton's campaign, and I don't mind if Sanders' supporters bring up truths about her. I just don't like when they bring up untruths, which is often the case. I was happy when Bernie got into the campaign. But now the positives of his campaign have become overcome by the whining "I've been cheated" claims and the demonization of Hillary Clinton. And talk about smearing people who criticize a candidate, have you seen when the Bernie Bros have said about Clinton and anyone who support her? They have been smeared much more than Bernie or his supporters. And now we have been introduced to the Bernie Goons in Nevada. Hillary won the state, but they think Bernie should get more delegates so they shut down the state convention and harass and threaten the state chairman and her family.
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This commenter for Secretary Clinton is a unionized public school teacher (high school, Title I).
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Wow. Hillary is going to put Bill in charge of the economy?
I didn't like it when Bill put Hillary in charge of health care reform.
Is Chelsea going to be in charge of energy policy?
So much for the feminist. Up with the monarchy.
I didn't like it when Bill put Hillary in charge of health care reform.
Is Chelsea going to be in charge of energy policy?
So much for the feminist. Up with the monarchy.
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And yet, Bill Clinton left behind a balanced budget and a record surplus. And yet, studies show the Bernie Sanders plans would increase the national debt by $21 trillion in 10 years, and that the increase in taxes would cost the average American $10,000 in income each year. Math matters.
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To Socrates regarding his question,"Where is Thomas Jefferson when we need him?":
Thomas Jefferson: A man who begat and then enslaved his own children from an illegitimate union with his dead wife's enslaved half sister? Thank you very much, but we still have far too many of his presumptive political heirs at our disposal.
Thomas Jefferson: A man who begat and then enslaved his own children from an illegitimate union with his dead wife's enslaved half sister? Thank you very much, but we still have far too many of his presumptive political heirs at our disposal.
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To folks who think current national polls mean Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump, please consider a couple things. First, polls show that BOTH Clinton and Sanders are ahead of Trump. Sanders is ahead by a wider margin, but that brings up point 2, the most important point of all: Republicans have already been campaigning against Clinton for 25 years, and STILL she beats Trump in most polls. Republicans have not even begun to campaign against Bernie, but when and if they ever do, be assured they will try to pack 25-years worth into a few short months. Then we'll see what the polls look like...Just today Trump tweeted how the Dem primary system is "rigged against Bernie." Now what do you think he's weighing in on this? Hmm...
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Things are not looking great for Hillary. Trump is running to the left of her on many issues and will do so even more to win Bernie voters. He gives new life to the term "Teflon president," as nothing seems to stick, while Hillary is in the opposite position. I am really afraid that when he begins debating and targeting Hillary he will win over a lot more people while she will be in a very weak position. It is clear that the math doesn't work for Bernie but he has 10,000,000 voters and counting behind him and they are not Hillary fans. California might be yet another poor showing for Clinton. I would love a president Bernie but it looks unlikely with the current superdelegate situation, which is a ridiculous system anyway. Maybe the only way to save Hillary is with Bernie as VP?
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Hillary's journey to become President is so much like the Seinfeld episode when Elaine was determined to get the last punch on her sandwich ticket to get the free-sub. This has been 35 years in the making and HRC is gonna get her free sub albeit she's angry that she has to wait in line because little 'ole Bernie is in front of her taking his time paying for his sub in small change and coupons he somehow can find- Take your time Bernie - check the other pocket and pay no attention to that angry lady behind you!
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Bernie Sanders is millions behind in the popular vote. He is hundreds behind in the delegate count. He is behind in pledged super delegates. Apparently Bernie's "revolution" is the determination to force Bernie Sanders' nomination on the rest of us. And when is he releasing his tax returns?
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Sanders does not have the ability to "force" his nomination. Clinton and the DNC, on the other hand, have the ability to force hers.
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We still must wait for the May 24 Washington State Presidential Primary; and the June 7 Presidential Primaries and Caucuses in California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, South Dakota; and the June 14 Presidential Primary in Washington DC. Sanders will probably win in most of those states.
If Bernie wins in most of those states, especially in California, many Super Delegates might flip to Bernie Sanders.
The main reason Hillary is presently ahead in delegates, is her popularity among Democrats in the South. No one raises this issue, but I suspect Bernie had problems in the South due to evangelical anti-Semitism.
However, in most of those southern states (other than FL, VA and NC), the Republican candidate will beat either Democrat. so Hillary's southern strength is illusionary. But throughout the USA, both Bernie and Trump are far more popular than Hillary among the independents. In November, Trump would win far more independent votes than Clinton, but Sanders would win more independent votes than Trump.
Among all of American voters, Bernie is far more popular than Hillary or Donald. Certainly, the polls show that Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump by a larger margin than Hillary Clinton would. Some recent polls even show Trump and Clinton in a tie. All polls show Sanders to be the most popular candidate among all voters, when compared to Clinton or Trump.
Bernie is the better candidate and would be the better President, among all three candidates. Feel the Bern.
If Bernie wins in most of those states, especially in California, many Super Delegates might flip to Bernie Sanders.
The main reason Hillary is presently ahead in delegates, is her popularity among Democrats in the South. No one raises this issue, but I suspect Bernie had problems in the South due to evangelical anti-Semitism.
However, in most of those southern states (other than FL, VA and NC), the Republican candidate will beat either Democrat. so Hillary's southern strength is illusionary. But throughout the USA, both Bernie and Trump are far more popular than Hillary among the independents. In November, Trump would win far more independent votes than Clinton, but Sanders would win more independent votes than Trump.
Among all of American voters, Bernie is far more popular than Hillary or Donald. Certainly, the polls show that Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump by a larger margin than Hillary Clinton would. Some recent polls even show Trump and Clinton in a tie. All polls show Sanders to be the most popular candidate among all voters, when compared to Clinton or Trump.
Bernie is the better candidate and would be the better President, among all three candidates. Feel the Bern.
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The District of Columbia is not a state.
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The Presidency is not and should not be a popularity contest. The President must be knowledgeable in both foreign and domestic affairs. Sanders fails that test.
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You are nit-picking. Washington DC votes in presidential primaries and in the general election. I hope you do realize that.
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I have listened to many Sanders' rally speeches and a few interviews, watched all the debates. I have not heard anything that would lead me to think he promotes or condones violence. All of which does lead me to suspect that there is something going on behind the scenes to stop his momentum in the home stretch. Does his saying "the system is rigged" count as provoking violence? If so, Elizabeth Warren is a bigger terrorist than he and of course, there's Donald Trump saying the same thing. The "death threats" received via email, Facebook, Twitter and text messages could have been sent by anyone on the planet so those can't be nailed on "Sanders' supporters" and the news media should not have accepted that as fact. Facebook and email accounts are always being hacked. And was it Sanders delegates and staff or just "supporters" who turned loud, ugly and violent in the Nevada convention hall? Everything I've read called them "supporters." and that could have been anybody from off the street handed a Sanders' sign and paid to go inside and raise a ruckus. "You're sure to get on the TV news. Fun, huh?" Every movement that challenges the status quo has been infiltrated with "trolls" and paid stooges to cause trouble and turn the public against their cause. We, the public, have a right and a duty to be suspicious when something flares up in any assembled group.
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, as Freud astutely pointed out. Or, another maxim, Occam's Razor, look to the easiest explanation. These are Sanders supporters. They have self-identified and been otherwise-identified as such. Don't try to deflect the blame away from the Sanders campaign, which is where it belongs.
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I think you have not paid attention to the online predatory practices of Bernie Bros across the past six months. Look at the Reddit army, and what experts in social media say. They have compared the Bernie Bros to the Trump online people. It has gotten very ugly out there, especially against any supporters of Hillary Clinton. Perhaps Sen. Sanders is not aware of this, but the online communities are completed aware of it.
One of the 538 journalists published an analysis about the unlikelihood of Sanders' coming out on top a few weeks ago, and ended with the comment, "And now, having roused the full ire of the internet, my spreadsheets and I will go into hiding until the dust settles around Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton."
That is the kind of intimidation that has been typical of online Sanders people. The Nevada ugliness was just a more physical manifestation of this.
One of the 538 journalists published an analysis about the unlikelihood of Sanders' coming out on top a few weeks ago, and ended with the comment, "And now, having roused the full ire of the internet, my spreadsheets and I will go into hiding until the dust settles around Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton."
That is the kind of intimidation that has been typical of online Sanders people. The Nevada ugliness was just a more physical manifestation of this.
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It's both interesting and significant that ten of the top ten Readers' Choice comments (and 14 of the top 15) as of 4PM EDT are either in support of Bernie Sanders or expressing concern about the treatment he's received at the hands of the corporate media and the DNC. It makes one wonder how many of the pro Clinton voices here are on Hillary's super-PAC payroll. It should also be a wakeup call to the NYT that your readers are well aware of your bias, which is not becoming your venerable status and will ultimately diminish you.
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The obvious: Sanders supporters live in an echo chamber here at the NYT comments section.
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The Times has badly tarnished its reputation for rigor and objectivity in its coverage of the 2016 Democratic nominating contest. Numerous readers and commentators have repeatedly pointed this out over the past year. Sadly, the Times doesn't care.
Thanks to the Times' coverage of the Clinton-Sanders race, I have begun to appreciate Sarah Palin's term 'lamestream media'.
Thanks to the Times' coverage of the Clinton-Sanders race, I have begun to appreciate Sarah Palin's term 'lamestream media'.
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I guess that echo chamber extended to Oregon yesterday.
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So Bernie wins by double digits, 56-44, but your illustration for the article gives him a single-digit victory. You also can't bring yourself even mention what a resounding victory it was, you just go on and on about how he can't win the nomination, which is old news and not any more true than the actual news, which is that Bernie won big in Oregon. Your bias and unprofessionalism could not be more clear.
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If NYT wanted to accurately report the Oregon results, they would describe them as a resounding defeat for Sanders. He needed to win at least 65% of the vote but he failed.
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I really don't think Sanders should drop out. Why should he do that now? he can still milk the populace of dollars and line the pockets of his campaign strategists...his wife, his daughter, other family and friends.
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I assume you think this cynical wit reflects well on you.
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The reason that Sanders is getting so many votes is because Hillary lacks the most basic element that a candidate for president is all about. And that is the promise and hope for a new era that the new president will usher in.
She offers nothing new, there is absolutely nothing exciting to anyone about the prospect of a Clinton presidency and even her most ardent supporters are not enthusiastic in their support of her.
However the worst thing the voters have against her is the giant elephant in the room. And that is that it is plain to all that the reason she was chosen by the establishment to be their candidate was not because of her merits. She was picked for that position for the same reason that she got every single political position she ever held in her life. She has never earned a single position she ever held.
Her first position, senator of NY, was based on arrogance and having Bill get the Democratic party to spit on the people of NYS. She was not from NY, did not care for, or know, its people. But she decided she wanted to be a senator and had the party hand her the seat. Obama appointed her to secretary of state despite her lack of any experience, but out of a kind gesture.
And so when voters see that she is the front runner it is plain to them that the sole reason for this is that she was the establishment's nominee. Not because she merited it, but no differently than the way she became senator. This is after all the pattern of Hillary's life.
She offers nothing new, there is absolutely nothing exciting to anyone about the prospect of a Clinton presidency and even her most ardent supporters are not enthusiastic in their support of her.
However the worst thing the voters have against her is the giant elephant in the room. And that is that it is plain to all that the reason she was chosen by the establishment to be their candidate was not because of her merits. She was picked for that position for the same reason that she got every single political position she ever held in her life. She has never earned a single position she ever held.
Her first position, senator of NY, was based on arrogance and having Bill get the Democratic party to spit on the people of NYS. She was not from NY, did not care for, or know, its people. But she decided she wanted to be a senator and had the party hand her the seat. Obama appointed her to secretary of state despite her lack of any experience, but out of a kind gesture.
And so when voters see that she is the front runner it is plain to them that the sole reason for this is that she was the establishment's nominee. Not because she merited it, but no differently than the way she became senator. This is after all the pattern of Hillary's life.
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New Yorkers voted her into the Senate actually.
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This is be far the most insightful comment I've read. I've not read all 3000 plus, good lord, but of the 40 or 50 some this delineates a central Hillary problem. In terms of politics and a new presidency she is dull. I'll vote fur her if she gets the nomination, but there's no new vision here. That maybe a significant Achilles's heel come November.
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Although it's clear to me there's a certain inevitability with Clinton and the Democratic Party for the general election, I think it's strange that the Times has an editorial bias towards Hillary. I can understand some favoritism or preference within a newspaper for a particular candidate, yet the Times seems to display links only for Hillary, only ever compare Bernie to Hillary, use a strong difference in tone for the two candidate, and narrow-in on discrepancies within the Sander's campaign rather than any with Hilary's campaign which are merely mentioned as side notes or defended. Sadly, especially given the tone of the Times, the primary appears fairly decided. Yet while I believe it is in the best interests of the party to unify regardless come November, it is even more important to understand and adjust to the strong swing towards leftist populism the party base is beginning to lean towards. It may not be in the best interest of political strategy, but in the idea of democracy the representation of the general populace is a key issue that is very much being undermined by extreme bias and old-school political agenda.
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They've endorsed Hillary, and their top shareholder is a Clinton donor.
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A note to my fellow commenters:
Nader wasn't the spoiler. Gore was. He was as exciting a candidate as a piece of flaccid meat left out on the counter too long. He didn't have the guts to condemn Bill's behavior--and please don't suggest that anyone who ever knew a Clinton didn't know it was true--and he thought it was now his turn to be anointed.
It wasn't and he wasn't and the DNC should have had the sense to know how hard it is for an incumbent party to win a third term under the best of circumstances.
If Hillary can't put away an old Jewish atheist democratic socialist despite everyone in the Democratic establishment shilling for her, do you really really think, in this season of volcanic eruptions, that she can handle someone like Trump for whom there isn't a boundary he won't cross? Hillary is not a great campaigner. She gets cranky the minute her death stare fails to quell an opponent. She's not a nimble debater. She has no retort except speaking louder and faster when an opponent points out her--uh--inconsistencies.
She's a mediocre striver who had the wit to marry a ruthless political animal. Sorry, but Bill ain't what he was. Those coattails are too frayed to carry Hillary any further.
Nader wasn't the spoiler. Gore was. He was as exciting a candidate as a piece of flaccid meat left out on the counter too long. He didn't have the guts to condemn Bill's behavior--and please don't suggest that anyone who ever knew a Clinton didn't know it was true--and he thought it was now his turn to be anointed.
It wasn't and he wasn't and the DNC should have had the sense to know how hard it is for an incumbent party to win a third term under the best of circumstances.
If Hillary can't put away an old Jewish atheist democratic socialist despite everyone in the Democratic establishment shilling for her, do you really really think, in this season of volcanic eruptions, that she can handle someone like Trump for whom there isn't a boundary he won't cross? Hillary is not a great campaigner. She gets cranky the minute her death stare fails to quell an opponent. She's not a nimble debater. She has no retort except speaking louder and faster when an opponent points out her--uh--inconsistencies.
She's a mediocre striver who had the wit to marry a ruthless political animal. Sorry, but Bill ain't what he was. Those coattails are too frayed to carry Hillary any further.
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You do not understand what a spoiler is
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Bill is a relic. I actually think he harms her way more than he helps her.
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Here's why I support Hillary Clinton: Bad press is what happens with over two decades in public life. And make no mistake about it, her very endurance is found suspect. Who is she in the pockets of? How unscrupulous is her drive towards power? Name a public official who has served for over two decades that has not accumulated this veneer of mistrust. Few.
We are a nation that can't grapple with our problems, and we know what they are. So what do we do instead? We find fault, we point fingers, we vilify.
Sanders has not garnered this vituperation because he is new to the national scene. Sanders' is a quixotic campaign that raises important issues. May they never get submerged again. But can he bring these ideas across the finish line? Can he deal with Congress? I predict a stalemate more alarming than what we are now experiencing if he is elected.
Back to Hillary. We don't cheer her on like Bernie or Trump because, yes, it's unseemly for a woman to rouse that kind of fervor in her supporters. To be honest, it's forbidden. So here she is: constrained by the narrow channel permitted for women's behavior in public life, maligned by what every public official is subject to with long service. (Only men are revered for their long-serving endurance.)
She is respected and liked by those who have served with her, and her network of the best advisors to search for solutions to difficult problems is unmatchable.
Get with it America. Vote Clinton in '16.
We are a nation that can't grapple with our problems, and we know what they are. So what do we do instead? We find fault, we point fingers, we vilify.
Sanders has not garnered this vituperation because he is new to the national scene. Sanders' is a quixotic campaign that raises important issues. May they never get submerged again. But can he bring these ideas across the finish line? Can he deal with Congress? I predict a stalemate more alarming than what we are now experiencing if he is elected.
Back to Hillary. We don't cheer her on like Bernie or Trump because, yes, it's unseemly for a woman to rouse that kind of fervor in her supporters. To be honest, it's forbidden. So here she is: constrained by the narrow channel permitted for women's behavior in public life, maligned by what every public official is subject to with long service. (Only men are revered for their long-serving endurance.)
She is respected and liked by those who have served with her, and her network of the best advisors to search for solutions to difficult problems is unmatchable.
Get with it America. Vote Clinton in '16.
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Sanders can bring things across the finish line because the campaign and the presidency are not about him. - something the political system and other politicians don't yet understand. His campaign is the people's campaign. A political revolution. That's also why he takes it all the way to the nomination and then the people continue to build it after that. A revolution takes time. This revolution is not about the ostensible leader.
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Exactly what did Bernie accomplish during his years in the Senate? How many Bills did he sponsor? He calls himself a democratic socialist but the things he's "promising" are socialistic. America is not a socialistic country. his "promises" are not realistic and the gop will eat him up and spit him out if he were to become president. His supporters need to get a grip. A republican president would be a disaster. Bernie needs to make a sensible decision and I would definitely support a Clinton/sanders ticket.
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He was known as the "Amendment King" for getting legislation passed that way. Sponsoring legislation is not the only way to have a hand in passing it. He was also instrumental in passing bipartisan veterans' legislation.
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I keep having a vision of Pied Piper Bernie leading the Millennials over the cliff, and taking the rest of us with him into the oblivion of the resulting Trump/GOP theocratic oligarchy enforced by his Supreme Court.
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If the DNC and big media scupper the Sanders Progressive grassroots run for President as they seem to be wont he should consider a 4th party run in November. I say 4th party as it's likely the Repubs will split at their convention too if Trump's nominated. Four different parties running for President would be good for the USA and very good for Sanders, as he'd likely win in a 4 party run for president.
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I am so proud of Oregon!
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Thank you Oregon! We send in more donation to bernie!
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Bernie and his supporters need to start taking responsibility and stop blaming everyone else for the fact that they're losing so Badly to Sec. Clinton.
The DNC nor their rules nor the current lunar phase is responsible for the fact that Bernie has 3,000,000 (Three Million) votes LESS than the Sec Clinton does!
Time to wrap it up Bernie and throw your support behind Sec Clinton!
1/3 of your supporters will stay home on election day
1/3 will vote for some independent candidate
1/6 will vote for Trump (they never were going to vote for the Democrat even if it was Bernie)
and 1/6 will finally wake up and smell the coffee and vote for Sec Clinton.
Your job from now on Bernie is to get the 1/3 who will stay home to vote, it really doesn't matter who they vote for, we just want to see you actually accomplish something constructive politically speaking in this century!
The DNC nor their rules nor the current lunar phase is responsible for the fact that Bernie has 3,000,000 (Three Million) votes LESS than the Sec Clinton does!
Time to wrap it up Bernie and throw your support behind Sec Clinton!
1/3 of your supporters will stay home on election day
1/3 will vote for some independent candidate
1/6 will vote for Trump (they never were going to vote for the Democrat even if it was Bernie)
and 1/6 will finally wake up and smell the coffee and vote for Sec Clinton.
Your job from now on Bernie is to get the 1/3 who will stay home to vote, it really doesn't matter who they vote for, we just want to see you actually accomplish something constructive politically speaking in this century!
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Losing so badly? Really? Bernie won in votes and delegates yesterday... Even in CLOSED (rigged) primaries!
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@Tom
My Goodness
The Horror -
The Outrage -
The Absolute Gall of the Democrats requiring that you at least pretend to be a Democrat to vote in a Democratic party election...
Bernie could always form his own party
Lets call it the Sandernista Party
Then he could run as the true communist he is... and he wouldn't have to win more votes than the next candidate.
He could just do the commie thing and declare voting as "anti-revolutionary" and anoint himself as the "Dear Leader" ohhh that name is taken... umm
How about the "Big Poobah?"
I assume you'll be joining that party when he does?
Good Luck!
My Goodness
The Horror -
The Outrage -
The Absolute Gall of the Democrats requiring that you at least pretend to be a Democrat to vote in a Democratic party election...
Bernie could always form his own party
Lets call it the Sandernista Party
Then he could run as the true communist he is... and he wouldn't have to win more votes than the next candidate.
He could just do the commie thing and declare voting as "anti-revolutionary" and anoint himself as the "Dear Leader" ohhh that name is taken... umm
How about the "Big Poobah?"
I assume you'll be joining that party when he does?
Good Luck!
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I'm not much for self-labeling, but I suppose by current standards I'd be an "FDR Democrat". Further, I'd say I've been a "progressive" longer than most here have been alive. And recently I (along with my wife) cast my ballot for Bernie.
Now, given that perspective, I must nonetheless say that some of the anti-Hillary comment here closely resembles the widespread anti-Obama rhetoric I see down here in this neck of the Republic. And that leads me to the observation that we've already got one "stupid party" and to the offer the admonition that we don't need another.
Now, given that perspective, I must nonetheless say that some of the anti-Hillary comment here closely resembles the widespread anti-Obama rhetoric I see down here in this neck of the Republic. And that leads me to the observation that we've already got one "stupid party" and to the offer the admonition that we don't need another.
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Dead Man Walking. You ought to get your suit pressed too. Did he really wear a Che t-shirt during his Moscow Honeymoon ?
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Ask Nikita Khrushchev's grandson, Bernardovich, who controls international communism. He has the wedding pictures in a vault behind the Kremlin. And btw, the cold war is over. For some time now.
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All the Republicans will end-up voting for Trump because they want to maintain the low tax oligarchy and a right-wing Supreme Court. The real Dems will vote for Hillary but the others will likely crawl into bed in fetal position sucking their thumbs on election day because Saint Sanders didn't get the nomination.
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Hillary has stumbled from the very beginning in two primary seasons, once against a virtually unknown senator from Illinois and now against an avowed socialist. The message? We. Don't. Want. You. Her numbers are dismal, her negatives are huge (a presidential candidate under investigation by the FBI? Huh?) and will not inspire Democrats to come out and vote. Trump will. She's toast. Please Hillary, bow out.
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Hillary Clinton will win the battle and lose the war. I hate Hillary Clinton and will never vote for her--never. Millions more feel the same. Her stooge, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, will go down in history as the person who got Donald Trump elected president of the United States. The only good thing? It will mean the end of the Republican party, and, also, the corrupt, rotten Democratic party, which for years has been trying to be Republican-Lite. They are both, now, parties of the 1 percent. Good riddance to bad rubbish. From the ashes of these flames will rise a phoenix: a mass movement of the 90 percent of people for whom this oligarchy isn't even remotely working.
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Once again The Entitled One claimed what isn't hers. Kentucky is too close to call. She didn't win; at best it's a tie.
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Bernie has accomplished a lot, given that he was largely unknown and many expected Hillary to win no matter what. For the sake of liberal values, and especially to prevent a Trump presidency, on June 8 he needs to pivot to supporting Clinton. Stop the nonsense about stealing the election at the convention, or winning super delegates or whatever he calls it.
He has been saying all along "we can win!" and then, gosh, he's still losing. He's lost his bid. It's over. California won't give him the lead. Bernie's supporters need to seriously consider their values. Trump won't satisfy their values. Get a grip, please, and vote Democrat in November.
He has been saying all along "we can win!" and then, gosh, he's still losing. He's lost his bid. It's over. California won't give him the lead. Bernie's supporters need to seriously consider their values. Trump won't satisfy their values. Get a grip, please, and vote Democrat in November.
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Just think about it...
We have less than 3 weeks left in the primaries
Which means in less than 3 weeks the Communist who decided to attempt to steal the Democratic party's nomination is thankfully about to fade back into insignificance...
That time can not come fast enough for most Democrats.
In the meantime, I would ask the Communist candidate for the Democratic nomination to publicly state that he will no longer encourage his supporters to commit acts of intimidation and violence like we unfortunately had to witness in Nevada last week.
Bernie it's time to stop inciting your followers to violence.
It's time to stop defrauding the young people who are contributing to your campaign because of your assurances that you have a path to victory- you don't
and it's time for you to fade away quietly!
You won't do any of those things but it's well past the time you did!
We have less than 3 weeks left in the primaries
Which means in less than 3 weeks the Communist who decided to attempt to steal the Democratic party's nomination is thankfully about to fade back into insignificance...
That time can not come fast enough for most Democrats.
In the meantime, I would ask the Communist candidate for the Democratic nomination to publicly state that he will no longer encourage his supporters to commit acts of intimidation and violence like we unfortunately had to witness in Nevada last week.
Bernie it's time to stop inciting your followers to violence.
It's time to stop defrauding the young people who are contributing to your campaign because of your assurances that you have a path to victory- you don't
and it's time for you to fade away quietly!
You won't do any of those things but it's well past the time you did!
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In no way has Bernie encouraged or incited his supporters to violence.
Furthermore, the claims of violence in Nevada last week are unsubstantiated.
Furthermore, the claims of violence in Nevada last week are unsubstantiated.
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It is no surprise to me that Hills McClinton tied with Sanders in Kentucky. She doesn't have an ounce of sense when it comes to the working class. Hillary Clinton may be a great politician, for sure. But trust worthy, she is not.
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Trump would much rather run against Bernie than Hillary. It's time for Sanders to throw in the towel.
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I've read The Times for nearly 40 years. I always considered it a must read. No longer. I just canceled because of its relentless shilling for the Clintons.
Newspapers are in the business of selling credibility. If you have none, you have nothing to offer.
Newspapers are in the business of selling credibility. If you have none, you have nothing to offer.
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Don't tell us, you just subscribed to the New York Observer for some unbiased coverage.
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I very much fear that Sanders will become the Nader of 2016
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I very much fear that he already has.
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If I lived to 74 with very few friends, a lone with no party, basically sitting at the table of some other party, and then suddenly at 74 I manage to get myself a whole bunch of groupies, filling up stadiums and adoring what I say no matter how outlandish, I too would be reluctant to give it all up and go back to being the loner with no lunch table friends again.
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If the best people can say is that Trump AND Sanders are both crazy, then they are saying "I have nothing left but scare tactics."
It is not my responsibility as a progressive to support a conservative democrat just to stop a republican. Every four years there will be another "crazy" republican running. That ploy is worn out.
I will vote for a candidate who reflects my personal ethics and principles.
Nobody will move me with fear mongering.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
It is not my responsibility as a progressive to support a conservative democrat just to stop a republican. Every four years there will be another "crazy" republican running. That ploy is worn out.
I will vote for a candidate who reflects my personal ethics and principles.
Nobody will move me with fear mongering.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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I have mostly leaned toward Hillary for a while now mostly because I don't believe any revolution in history has gone exactly as planned. However, I'm starting to feel differently. Here's why: Bernie supporters, like it or not, just hate her. It doesn't matter if they have a good reason to hate her. It's pretty clear that they're not going to change their minds. The important question is, what does this mean for the general election? If Bernie fans won't vote for Hillary, then she shouldn't be the nominee -- end of story.
My greatest concern is that Trump does not take the Whitehouse. It's an insult to humanity that he's even come this close. Though I don't agree with all of Bernie's ideas and tactics (For example, how is he going to prevent a stock market collapse while simultaneously stating outright that big banks won't like him? -- What's that going to do for investor confidence?), he seems to stand on the right side of the most important issues (climate change, social justice). If we get a stock market collapse but still make progress toward limiting greenhouse gas emissions and promoting renewable energy sources, so be it.
We just can't have Trump. Anyone but Trump. Trump would set civilization back decades (perhaps centuries). It would be at a critical time in history when we need to be working to mitigate climate change.
My greatest concern is that Trump does not take the Whitehouse. It's an insult to humanity that he's even come this close. Though I don't agree with all of Bernie's ideas and tactics (For example, how is he going to prevent a stock market collapse while simultaneously stating outright that big banks won't like him? -- What's that going to do for investor confidence?), he seems to stand on the right side of the most important issues (climate change, social justice). If we get a stock market collapse but still make progress toward limiting greenhouse gas emissions and promoting renewable energy sources, so be it.
We just can't have Trump. Anyone but Trump. Trump would set civilization back decades (perhaps centuries). It would be at a critical time in history when we need to be working to mitigate climate change.
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So far in this primary, Hillary Clinton has over three million more popular votes than Bernie Sanders. She leads the popular vote overall by a whopping 13% (Clinton's 56.6% to Sanders' 43.7%).
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_c...
To Bernie Sanders and his supporters: the primary has not been "stolen" from you. Despite a well-funded and energetic campaign, Bernie Sanders is losing by enormous margins in the popular vote. The people have spoke and Sanders is losing hugely. That is democracy in action.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_c...
To Bernie Sanders and his supporters: the primary has not been "stolen" from you. Despite a well-funded and energetic campaign, Bernie Sanders is losing by enormous margins in the popular vote. The people have spoke and Sanders is losing hugely. That is democracy in action.
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Two words, Joe: Closed Primaries... Not to mention the popular vote isn't counted in caucuses, which Sanders has won most... Your comment is not genuine.
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So, Hillary will put Bill in charge of the economy? Wasn't it Bill who repealed the Glass Steagall banking reform act, effectively unleashing Wall Street greed on the middle class a few years later, then sold and signed the traitorous NAFTA trade agreement into law, effectively accelerating the destruction of the American manufacturing base? Just because the effects of the horrible policies of Bill Clinton didn't show up until after he left office doesn't mean they weren't horrible...
Yet another reason I'm sticking with Bernie Sanders...
Yet another reason I'm sticking with Bernie Sanders...
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Bill is also the reason that black youths fiend their most productive years locked up in jails.
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REPUBLICANS repealed Glass Stegall with a VETO PROOF MAJORITY.
Look it up yourself.
Look it up yourself.
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I think that the Sanders campaign should look at where those 3000 votes came from when almost all the votes were in Kentucky, and this after the Clinton campaign declared victory in Iowa before all the votes where in, and then there was Missouri...
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Oh yes. I'd say ALL of the Clinton victories were frauds and she hasn't gotten more than 10 or 20 votes nationwide - all from Goldman Sachs.
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The Clintons have consistently re-invented themselves as the dysfunctional corporatist wrecks that they are, for the past forty years, and the thought of the "charmer," creepy old glad handing bill Clinton, skulking through the Whitehouse again, not only disgusts me, but as an elder woman, makes me feel uncertain that young women will be safe in his presence there.
No, I am not kidding. And for those who write that all women want the Clinton duo in office again, don't attempt to speak for me. Speak only for yourselves.
Keep going Bernie.
No, I am not kidding. And for those who write that all women want the Clinton duo in office again, don't attempt to speak for me. Speak only for yourselves.
Keep going Bernie.
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To the children supporting Sanders please take a look at recent reports on Venezuela. A little education might help.
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To the old Folks supporting Clinton, take a look at Denmark...
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Try looking at the Scandinavian countries as well...
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Uhh ... look at Trump
I'm voting for the Democrat, period.
I'm voting for the Democrat, period.
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Has anyone actually seen video of the "violence" and "chair throwing" tjat allegedly occurred at the Dem Convention in Nevada that the NYTimes continues to write about? I've looked, I haven't seen anything. Anyone???
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Nope. The "chair throwing" is from the Tweet of a reporter named Jon Ralston, but "no one has any images or video of even a single chair, let alone chairs plural, being thrown."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
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Unforgiveable. Mr. Sanders response to the Las Vegas behavior of his supporters is unforgiveable. He is even more of a demented, loose canon than Trump. Mr. Sanders supporters sent death threats to the state democratic party chairman, her children and her grand children because they wouldn't change the rules to give Mr Sanders more delagates. Mr. Sanders deplored "violence" of course but supported their claims he is being cheated because the rules aren't being changed to suit him. If that isn't encouraging the death threats, etc, I do not know what is. I am a long time progressive but I would never ever vote for Sanders, even if Trump is my only other option
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Did you get that "account" off of Hillary's website?
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The claims of violence haven't been substantiated. And who's to say the death threats were really from his supporters?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
Further, the controversy in Nevada was because the rules were changed in an underhanded way.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
Further, the controversy in Nevada was because the rules were changed in an underhanded way.
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Bernie offers us the chance to embrace a new vision and a new direction.
Donald and Hillary support the corporations and the super wealthy no matter what their campaign rhetoric says.
Trump offers no sensible, significant, solutions, just talk. Yet he appeals to voters with his empty promises .He can win over Hillary-- as all the polls show. He states that he will appoint conservative Supreme Court judges.
In Oregon Bernie won 34 pledged delegates and 1 SD
Hillary won 25 pledged delegates. and 6 SD
Vote for the Democratic candidate who can win against Trump—vote Bernie
better future, we must be part of the Bernie Sanders and people for the American Revolution of 2016. Together, we can re-strengthen the middle class and democracy.
Bernie program deals with the very crucial issues for our time and Bernie is the candidate who has the solutions. We need to support universal health care, education and getting rid of big donors from politics. We must reject endless wars, lobbyist-driven legislation, the offshoring of jobs and corporate tax havens. If Bernie is President, we will have a leader who truly believes in these priorities. His integrity and leadership as president is the best way to move us in the directions this country needs.
Donald and Hillary support the corporations and the super wealthy no matter what their campaign rhetoric says.
Trump offers no sensible, significant, solutions, just talk. Yet he appeals to voters with his empty promises .He can win over Hillary-- as all the polls show. He states that he will appoint conservative Supreme Court judges.
In Oregon Bernie won 34 pledged delegates and 1 SD
Hillary won 25 pledged delegates. and 6 SD
Vote for the Democratic candidate who can win against Trump—vote Bernie
better future, we must be part of the Bernie Sanders and people for the American Revolution of 2016. Together, we can re-strengthen the middle class and democracy.
Bernie program deals with the very crucial issues for our time and Bernie is the candidate who has the solutions. We need to support universal health care, education and getting rid of big donors from politics. We must reject endless wars, lobbyist-driven legislation, the offshoring of jobs and corporate tax havens. If Bernie is President, we will have a leader who truly believes in these priorities. His integrity and leadership as president is the best way to move us in the directions this country needs.
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I want Bernie, Hillary took our nation to war with Iraq and she worked on TPP the trade deal that will totally annihilate the American middle class. Our country's sovereignty will be undermined with TPP and Hillary has pretended to change position only because she is running for the office of the Presidency. Trump has already been discussing behind the scenes with republicans that he wants to raise the social security age to 70 and to push to privatize social security. Trump can't be trusted as far as you can throw him, he's for Trump. Our country is in trouble ... real trouble ! We have a plutocracy that controls our government because you can't have a working democracy when you don't have a strong middle class. Our so called American corporations have invested more in communist China then in America. We need Bernie !
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How old are you? You "want" bernie? So vote for Trumo already.
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I hardly think the use of the word "want" implies she's below a certain age.
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As one who has supported Bernie with cash it pains me to write the following comment.
I have been very dismissive of articles comparing Bernie and Trump - I found them insulting. . Where I find a disturbing similarity of late , however, is in the the inability of both Bernie and Trump supporters to see any flaws in their idols.
Bernie has been a one-note politician and he is on key with respect to Wall St. Social justice, women's rights, gun control, foreign policy, LGBT issues, civil rights ? Not so much. The narrow road in front of him is due to his narrow base. Blaming Hillary and others for his likely failure to win is actually another flaw similar to those of Trump.
It is also disturbing that so many other comments reflect a complete lack of concern with respect to the most important issue in the election: Preventing, by any means necessary, a complete and irreversible capture of all three branches of government by the Republican machine in 2016 A GOP victory will spell the end of any Bernie revolution for sure!
I have been very dismissive of articles comparing Bernie and Trump - I found them insulting. . Where I find a disturbing similarity of late , however, is in the the inability of both Bernie and Trump supporters to see any flaws in their idols.
Bernie has been a one-note politician and he is on key with respect to Wall St. Social justice, women's rights, gun control, foreign policy, LGBT issues, civil rights ? Not so much. The narrow road in front of him is due to his narrow base. Blaming Hillary and others for his likely failure to win is actually another flaw similar to those of Trump.
It is also disturbing that so many other comments reflect a complete lack of concern with respect to the most important issue in the election: Preventing, by any means necessary, a complete and irreversible capture of all three branches of government by the Republican machine in 2016 A GOP victory will spell the end of any Bernie revolution for sure!
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You supported Bernie with cash, yet now see him as a weak one-horse candidate after six months of closed (rigged) primaries and other shenanigans stealing the nomination for the universally hated and incredibly weak candidate, Hillary Clinton?
Can you understand why anyone with a working brain would doubt the first part of your claim?
Can you understand why anyone with a working brain would doubt the first part of your claim?
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Sanders knows he can't catch up in pledged delegates. He's staying in to demonstrate and increase his viability as an alternative should Clinton's prospects meltdown as it has so many times in the past. Her latest week poll average against Trump has already fallen to 2.8 %. If her numbers fall below Trump before the convention in July, the superdelegates can save the party from a historic defeat by switching their support to Sanders.
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Delusional. After seeing the Bernie supporters acting out like sullen children, he is not going to go anywhere.
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Bernie is staying in for one reason and one reason only -
Bernie's Ego!
Bernie's Ego!
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Do you realize how easy it is to manipulate polls ?
That's why we have elections, because polls are not accurate.
That's why we have elections, because polls are not accurate.
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Wasserman and the rest of the Democratic Nobility are driving down the highway with a black bag over their heads........
They're gonna hand the republicans the White House on a silver platter........
They're gonna hand the republicans the White House on a silver platter........
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Bernie Sanders has every right not to drop out until the last vote is thrown away on his efforts. Then he can withdraw without ever having revealed more than a single tax return. This is clearly his plan.
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Remember this post because it's the first time you hear it.
Bernie is running a third party candidacy, and Trump will be your next President.
Bernie is running a third party candidacy, and Trump will be your next President.
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A utopian crackpot in the White House isn't going to happen, but that still leaves all of us with a general election choice between bad and worse.
As Bernie's persistent humiliations have demonstrated, that there's no compelling reason to reinstall Hillary, Slick Willy and their ethical circus in the White House--and the FBI hasn't even started to leak details of the Clinton Foundations' many appearances (at least) of impropriety.
Trump represents a more compelling story, uninformed and vulgar though it may be, and I'm beginning to think we could actually end up with an orange know-nothing with yellow hair in way over his head in the White House. From the usual look on her face, Melania seems to be worried that could happen, too.
As Bernie's persistent humiliations have demonstrated, that there's no compelling reason to reinstall Hillary, Slick Willy and their ethical circus in the White House--and the FBI hasn't even started to leak details of the Clinton Foundations' many appearances (at least) of impropriety.
Trump represents a more compelling story, uninformed and vulgar though it may be, and I'm beginning to think we could actually end up with an orange know-nothing with yellow hair in way over his head in the White House. From the usual look on her face, Melania seems to be worried that could happen, too.
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Would you reconsider? Such perfect description of the bad and the worse. If being utopian is a Sanders weakness (arguable) what about his strengths?
Better judgement about Iraq invasion bodes well for future decisions.
Ability to reconnect the Democratic party to its New Deal roots brings in voters. His ability to lead on campaign finance would help restore some kind of fair journalism when the millions of dollars are not flowing to Comcast et al. Last and not least, he has the ability to lead on climate change by convening the scientists, engineers, and policy makers to take it on asap.
Better judgement about Iraq invasion bodes well for future decisions.
Ability to reconnect the Democratic party to its New Deal roots brings in voters. His ability to lead on campaign finance would help restore some kind of fair journalism when the millions of dollars are not flowing to Comcast et al. Last and not least, he has the ability to lead on climate change by convening the scientists, engineers, and policy makers to take it on asap.
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Hillary Clinton is not a weak candidate. Trump and Bernie supporters are hoping that if they say it enough, people will believe it and it will give them a chance.
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Uh no... The polls show it....
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The media keeps talking about Bernie "momentum". What momentum? He has not been able to make an appreciable difference in the primaries since Hillary swept the east. It's the math stupid!
We all know now that unless Bernie wins all the remaining primaries with huge margins (80/20) there is no way for him to get the needed pledged delegates. The super delegates are all in the Hillary camp and rightfully so. She has worked relentlessly as a loyal Democrat all of her life and she deserves their support.
What Bernie has to do is to be honest with all of these young idealistic followers and give them a lesson in how the system works. Jeez, he is a U.S. senator that represents less than 650,000 from Vermont. He has the same power of a California U.S.senator that represents 38 million people. Talk about a rigged system Bernie.
We all know now that unless Bernie wins all the remaining primaries with huge margins (80/20) there is no way for him to get the needed pledged delegates. The super delegates are all in the Hillary camp and rightfully so. She has worked relentlessly as a loyal Democrat all of her life and she deserves their support.
What Bernie has to do is to be honest with all of these young idealistic followers and give them a lesson in how the system works. Jeez, he is a U.S. senator that represents less than 650,000 from Vermont. He has the same power of a California U.S.senator that represents 38 million people. Talk about a rigged system Bernie.
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Congratulations to Bernie Sanders & his inspired supporters!
Thank you Bernie Sanders for this fantastic campaign that has inspired so many.
Thank you Bernie Sanders for this fantastic campaign that has inspired so many.
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So Clinton is winning only because of DNC favoritism? Really?
Sanders supporters who are calling the party undemocratic should consider this: if the DNC used the same winner take all rules as the RNC, Clinton would have crushed Sanders by now. Sanders is still in the race because delegated are assigned on a proportional basis. If his campaign had bothered to learn the rules set by the Nevada Democratic party, they'd have more delegates than Clinton. They were out-organized and they lost.
I'm done with Sanders. If he's nominated, I'll write in Clinton or Warren. I'm not voting for a whining loudmouth who claims the other side cheated every time he takes a loss.
Sanders supporters who are calling the party undemocratic should consider this: if the DNC used the same winner take all rules as the RNC, Clinton would have crushed Sanders by now. Sanders is still in the race because delegated are assigned on a proportional basis. If his campaign had bothered to learn the rules set by the Nevada Democratic party, they'd have more delegates than Clinton. They were out-organized and they lost.
I'm done with Sanders. If he's nominated, I'll write in Clinton or Warren. I'm not voting for a whining loudmouth who claims the other side cheated every time he takes a loss.
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Over and over I read the statement Hilary Clinton is not a "likable" candidate.
This campaign is not about likability. It is about trust.
Can we trust a politician who gives 650,000-dollar speeches at a bank and does not want to disclose the content of the speeches to the public, a politician who seemed more obsessed with protecting her reputation as a secretary of state than reforming a department that permitted its diplomats - the quintessential emissaries of peace - to operate in lawless war zones, a department that under her leadership has devolved into an accessory of the DoD and Intelligence at the expense of worldwide trust in the integrity of US diplomats, a politician who wants to be a Southerner in the South and calls New York "home" without blinking an eye.
Compared to that politician, Bernie Sanders appears like a saint. He is consistent, giving essentially the same speeches he gave 30 years ago, someone we may be able to trust not to lead the country into yet another war campaign with no end in sight.
This campaign is not about likability. It is about trust.
Can we trust a politician who gives 650,000-dollar speeches at a bank and does not want to disclose the content of the speeches to the public, a politician who seemed more obsessed with protecting her reputation as a secretary of state than reforming a department that permitted its diplomats - the quintessential emissaries of peace - to operate in lawless war zones, a department that under her leadership has devolved into an accessory of the DoD and Intelligence at the expense of worldwide trust in the integrity of US diplomats, a politician who wants to be a Southerner in the South and calls New York "home" without blinking an eye.
Compared to that politician, Bernie Sanders appears like a saint. He is consistent, giving essentially the same speeches he gave 30 years ago, someone we may be able to trust not to lead the country into yet another war campaign with no end in sight.
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Yes..the operative word is TRUST
I trust Sanders..
I don't trust Clinton..
I trust Sanders..
I don't trust Clinton..
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Clinton should do the right thing and drop out. Trump would steamroll her in the fall. Besides she does not adhere to Party principles. She just wants power. She should never been a politician. She does not have the touch and just happened to marry into the business.
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What a sexist load of bunk. Believe it or not, Clinton has a built a solid career without having had to "marry into the business".
Think not?? -- Google it.
Think not?? -- Google it.
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Hillary won the South which gave her a four furlough lead, in 10 furlong race.
Bernie is now neck and neck with her as they round the 8th Furlong Pole gaining momentum, coming on strong against all odds, as they head down the home stretch
Hillery’s Jockey, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is throwing Sand the eyes of Bernie's Jockey, ‘THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’ and cursing their horse.
All because she’s been caught rigging the timekeeping, being done by those who shine her riding boots .
If the Democrats are more concerned about a Coronation in Philadelphia for the Dowager Duchess of Wall Street, Hillary (Carpetbagger ) Clinton, than listening to the voice of the millions of ardent Bernie Sanders supporters, they are being exceedingly foolish.
Bernie Sanders supporter ain’t gonna stick around to help you shovel all the horse turd in the next race coming up.
Against Attila The Trump atop the Orange Elephant.
The Betters in the Bleachers are traumatized as their sure thing looks more like a 1980’s hairdo, something to be regretted and best forgotten.
Bernie is now neck and neck with her as they round the 8th Furlong Pole gaining momentum, coming on strong against all odds, as they head down the home stretch
Hillery’s Jockey, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is throwing Sand the eyes of Bernie's Jockey, ‘THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’ and cursing their horse.
All because she’s been caught rigging the timekeeping, being done by those who shine her riding boots .
If the Democrats are more concerned about a Coronation in Philadelphia for the Dowager Duchess of Wall Street, Hillary (Carpetbagger ) Clinton, than listening to the voice of the millions of ardent Bernie Sanders supporters, they are being exceedingly foolish.
Bernie Sanders supporter ain’t gonna stick around to help you shovel all the horse turd in the next race coming up.
Against Attila The Trump atop the Orange Elephant.
The Betters in the Bleachers are traumatized as their sure thing looks more like a 1980’s hairdo, something to be regretted and best forgotten.
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How charmingly silly and adolescent - and iconic of bernie's children
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Open Comment to Democratic Super Delegates -
Assume we have the same delegate math as we do now between Hillary and Bernie.
Assume we have the same polling numbers between Hillary vs Trump as well as Bernie vs Trump - both in the general and battle ground states - including PA where the non-Hillary candidate is better Trump by a large lead.
Now instead of Bernie put in the name Elizabeth Warren.
I ask would you now change your vote from Hillary to Warren because it reflects the will of the people in your state?
I ask would you change your vote and support Elizabeth because she has a greater chance of being president than Hillary.
If yes to either one, then please consider voting for Bernie.
I do not speak for him, nor for other Bernie supporters, I speak for myself as a born citizen of this country, born in 1960 who has seen over the past 40+years the Democratic party tilt our democracy into an oligarchy that has given the American public a raw deal. Time to move - non- incrementally - especially on climate change - to a New New Deal.
Now instead of Bernie being the Democratic candidate that is so far behind H
Assume we have the same delegate math as we do now between Hillary and Bernie.
Assume we have the same polling numbers between Hillary vs Trump as well as Bernie vs Trump - both in the general and battle ground states - including PA where the non-Hillary candidate is better Trump by a large lead.
Now instead of Bernie put in the name Elizabeth Warren.
I ask would you now change your vote from Hillary to Warren because it reflects the will of the people in your state?
I ask would you change your vote and support Elizabeth because she has a greater chance of being president than Hillary.
If yes to either one, then please consider voting for Bernie.
I do not speak for him, nor for other Bernie supporters, I speak for myself as a born citizen of this country, born in 1960 who has seen over the past 40+years the Democratic party tilt our democracy into an oligarchy that has given the American public a raw deal. Time to move - non- incrementally - especially on climate change - to a New New Deal.
Now instead of Bernie being the Democratic candidate that is so far behind H
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Warren is an actual democrat not a faux one like Bernie. Move on to trump.
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Miriam,
Strange comment. Not seeking your recommendations on who I should vote for, I never the less thank you for you suggestion. PS: I will never vote for Trump. That said if Bernie is not the Democratic nominee I am unsure if I could vote for Hillary, and maybe well write in Bernie if he doesn't run as an independent.
The real problem for this country is not how I vote or not in New York. The real problem are how will the independent voters in the swings states vote.
Strange comment. Not seeking your recommendations on who I should vote for, I never the less thank you for you suggestion. PS: I will never vote for Trump. That said if Bernie is not the Democratic nominee I am unsure if I could vote for Hillary, and maybe well write in Bernie if he doesn't run as an independent.
The real problem for this country is not how I vote or not in New York. The real problem are how will the independent voters in the swings states vote.
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Mr. Sanders and his bully boys need to stop whining, bullying, and threatening. Stay in the race fine, but your destructive and divisive attitudes will give us Trump. You think he would beat Trump, no shot. His talk of revolution will sit poorly, his poor grasp of foreign policy, his promise of free education, medical coverage, etc will be exposed for what it is an unaffordable. He and his followers have turned into self righteous sexist, bullies. Strange how I thought this country was more racist then sexist, boy was I wrong
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"Bully boys"? "sexist bullies"? Because you vote according to gender doesn't give you the right to these sexist insults. It's indecent and an insult to those (many of them women) who support Bernie Sanders.
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0.5 % IS NOT A VICTORY!
We need a recount and an investigation into the dnc.
We need a recount and an investigation into the dnc.
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It won't help
- Al Gore
- Al Gore
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Still waiting to find out what secrets Pure Bernie is hiding in his tax returns. He who has put all of his assets into his wife's name - except of course for her epic fail at Burlington College, which crashed and burned (so to speak) under her own personal leadership.
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He released his tax returns. He made less in one year than Secretary Clinton made for two Wall Street speaking engagements and still made donations to charity. Not sure what you mean about his "hiding" assets under his wife's name, and how Jane Sanders' tenure, which by the college's own assessment was a success (it does not blame Jane for the financial collapse it suffered years later), is remotely relevant to Senator Sander's trustworthiness.
Efforts to make Senator Sanders look untrustworthy and nefarious are, at least on the current public record, not likely to succeed. This is particularly true when considered in comparison to Secretary Clinton, who has long come up short in terms of transparency. #releasethetranscripts
Efforts to make Senator Sanders look untrustworthy and nefarious are, at least on the current public record, not likely to succeed. This is particularly true when considered in comparison to Secretary Clinton, who has long come up short in terms of transparency. #releasethetranscripts
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The transcripts of her speech about hiring more women is owned by the venue which hired her. She does not own them, so she has no legal right to release them. Hillary has been subjected to more investigations than anyone in my lifetime, other than Nixon. She has been found innocent of all charges and smears. Now, we have Bernie Bots repeating old GOP smears. I would not vote for the opportunist Bernie if someone offered a me a lot of money. Which reminds me of all those Bernie donations; he took a private jet to the Vatican; he chartered a private jet to go home to VT. He is having a pretty good time on those $27 donations. He needs to go back to DC and earn his only paycheck; prior to that he had no job after being mayor of a small town. He didn't even have a job before age 40.
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On the contrary--Hillary's contract with Goldman Sachs specifies that the speeches are her intellectual property.
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A vote for Sanders = a vote for Trump. Why do you think Trump is supporting Sanders via comments and Sanders' supporters say they will vote for Trump vs. Clinton? Death threats and physical beatings at rallies. Nice. I financially supported Sanders last re-election in VT, but he's become a megalomaniac, just like Trump.
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I wish the Times would analyze the changes in Sanders as the Washington Post did this morning. It was fascinating to see him turn from a decades-long, mild-mannered, do-nothing public servant into a leader of energized young people and a progressive philosophy, but then utterly disturbing to see him turn into an enraged, dangerous, egomaniacal demagogue who cares nothing about his "philosophy" or his followers but only about his power, fame and the screaming crowds. Willie Stark redux.
Until now (or a month or so ago) Sanders had done a good job of changing the conversation to include his positions. But he's thrown away the chance to have a real say in the Democratic platform and ongoing policies by spitting in the face (not to mention encouraging the throwing of chairs in the face) of everyone who doesn't support his hopeless cause or agree with his version of the rules until the bitter end. At this point in history and under our system of government, there is no way to bring about fundamental change except under the aegis of a strong political party. His blind refusal to accept that will neutralize his ability to have any say in the future, whether the election goes to Hillary or Trump. Yeah, yeah, they'll nod to him in the platform, but then he'll be history. An interesting case study in psychopathology
Until now (or a month or so ago) Sanders had done a good job of changing the conversation to include his positions. But he's thrown away the chance to have a real say in the Democratic platform and ongoing policies by spitting in the face (not to mention encouraging the throwing of chairs in the face) of everyone who doesn't support his hopeless cause or agree with his version of the rules until the bitter end. At this point in history and under our system of government, there is no way to bring about fundamental change except under the aegis of a strong political party. His blind refusal to accept that will neutralize his ability to have any say in the future, whether the election goes to Hillary or Trump. Yeah, yeah, they'll nod to him in the platform, but then he'll be history. An interesting case study in psychopathology
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Excellent comment.
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Regarding the threat of violence from Sanders supporters in Nevada: All the Sanders supporters I know are decent, civil people.
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that those so-called "Sanders supporters" who disrupted the recent Democratic convention in Nevada and later threatened the state chairwoman are not really Sanders supporters at all but rather plants by the GOP.
Given the underhanded tricks devised by the likes of Karl Rove in past elections, I wouldn't put anything beyond the Republicans.
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that those so-called "Sanders supporters" who disrupted the recent Democratic convention in Nevada and later threatened the state chairwoman are not really Sanders supporters at all but rather plants by the GOP.
Given the underhanded tricks devised by the likes of Karl Rove in past elections, I wouldn't put anything beyond the Republicans.
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Nice conspiracy theory, but no.
That Bernie did nothing to stop the violence except to say he doesn't "condone" it really says something.
That Bernie did nothing to stop the violence except to say he doesn't "condone" it really says something.
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To everyone referring to the "violence" in Nevada: it has not been substantiated.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
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As I was walking to work this morning, I stopped to speak to a striker, who was part of a CWA picket line thrown up around a Verizon store on Fifth Ave.
After a bit of conversation, he volunteered that he was going to vote for Trump. He quickly explained, that he wanted to have been able to vote for Bernie - very much so, in fact. But he did not see that as a possibility now - he felt that Bernie had been rolled under by the DNC machine.
He quickly added that he had qualms about Trump's Trumpish behavior, but felt that Hillary Clinton didn't have any intention of supporting workers against big companies who wanted to ship their jobs to India. He said that Trump "Got it" and Hillary just didn't care about people like him.
So there you have it - President Trump.
Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate, propped up by The DNC and Bill Clintons legacy - there is no way around that.
And yes - he said "India". I'm just reporting what he said - those readers who love to accuse people of racism and bigotry at every turn, should cross out the word "India", and replace it with "a country with lower wages", if that makes you feel better.
And one more thing - I've always despised Trump, even before his Great Presidential Adventure, and would never vote for him. This comment is not a Trump recommendation.
After a bit of conversation, he volunteered that he was going to vote for Trump. He quickly explained, that he wanted to have been able to vote for Bernie - very much so, in fact. But he did not see that as a possibility now - he felt that Bernie had been rolled under by the DNC machine.
He quickly added that he had qualms about Trump's Trumpish behavior, but felt that Hillary Clinton didn't have any intention of supporting workers against big companies who wanted to ship their jobs to India. He said that Trump "Got it" and Hillary just didn't care about people like him.
So there you have it - President Trump.
Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate, propped up by The DNC and Bill Clintons legacy - there is no way around that.
And yes - he said "India". I'm just reporting what he said - those readers who love to accuse people of racism and bigotry at every turn, should cross out the word "India", and replace it with "a country with lower wages", if that makes you feel better.
And one more thing - I've always despised Trump, even before his Great Presidential Adventure, and would never vote for him. This comment is not a Trump recommendation.
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That guy is nuts.
Trump is exactly the type of guy he's picketing, a corporate fat cat who ships jobs overseas.
He's better off voting for the CEO of Verizon. At least that guy has manners.
Trump is exactly the type of guy he's picketing, a corporate fat cat who ships jobs overseas.
He's better off voting for the CEO of Verizon. At least that guy has manners.
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And that vote for Trump is why the Verizon worker walking the picket line probably won't have a job soon. Most of the people voting for Trump now who complain that their jobs are being shipped overseas have only themselves to blame. They have voted against their own economic interest by voting Republican for years. So now the "poorly educated" are angry! Why not vote your pocketbook instead of your prejudices.
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Nice story, one that it is the same on different characters zipping up and down the internet today.
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To all the Bernie supporters who are worried that Clinton's "weak" candidacy dooms her to lose to Trump in November, you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Recognize the primary is effectively over, put your Hillary doubts aside, and come together to defeat Trump in November. She's only a weak candidate if you withhold your support. The Republicans have dominated our politics at the national and state level because they understand this. Look at how many "never Trump" Republicans have come around to Trump. Democrats need to do the same. Let's not let our party divisions doom us to a repeat of the 2000 election.
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NY Times, your reporting on the Democratic primary has been a joke and I hope when we're stuck with President Trump next year you take some time to reflect on how you helped pave his way.
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Absolutely right. The NYT is a shill for Clinton.
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Ridiculous to blame the rise of Trump on the NY Times!
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Could someone please remind me what Hillary Clinton's actual accomplishments are? I mean, she's had thirty years worth of opportunities to accomplish things, right?
Her support of Bush's war?
Her disaster in Libya?
The disastrous trade agreements she supports?
Her support for the Keystone pipeline?
Somebody? Anyone? Buehler?
Her support of Bush's war?
Her disaster in Libya?
The disastrous trade agreements she supports?
Her support for the Keystone pipeline?
Somebody? Anyone? Buehler?
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Ahh the lies ...
She did not support Bush's war
Libya was not a disaster. You have no idea what the alternative was.
The trade agreements are not "disasters" you just parrot what Trump says
Keystone isn't built - what are you talking about ?
As for her accomplishments. She was able to secure billions in funding for New York after 9/11. She worked closely with Obama to take out the person responsible for 9/11 and hold him accountable.
And by holding Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11, the terrorist threat that al-Qaeda posed to ungrateful people like you was greatly diminished.
She may have actually saved your life. You really don't know what bin Laden was planning next.
She did not support Bush's war
Libya was not a disaster. You have no idea what the alternative was.
The trade agreements are not "disasters" you just parrot what Trump says
Keystone isn't built - what are you talking about ?
As for her accomplishments. She was able to secure billions in funding for New York after 9/11. She worked closely with Obama to take out the person responsible for 9/11 and hold him accountable.
And by holding Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11, the terrorist threat that al-Qaeda posed to ungrateful people like you was greatly diminished.
She may have actually saved your life. You really don't know what bin Laden was planning next.
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I used to love Bernie. I was very glad he was giving voice to more progressive ideas than Clinton. No more. If he and his supporters don't want to see a nightmarish Trump future he needs step aside and vigorously (even if unenthusiastically) support Clinton. Berniacks seem to be jonesing for Trump which is just nuts! "Flawed candidate" or not, Hillary Clinton is serious and qualified to run the country well. She is a technocrat, not an inspirational candidate and as such she has my vote!
Wake up, people, before it's too late.
Wake up, people, before it's too late.
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I used to tolerate Bernie, but no more.
Now that I see that he either doesn't want to control the violence of his supporters or he cannot control the violence of his supporters, I absolutely detest the angry nagging man.
Now that I see that he either doesn't want to control the violence of his supporters or he cannot control the violence of his supporters, I absolutely detest the angry nagging man.
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Funny how with 95 percent of the KY vote in, Clinton pulled out an extra 2,000 votes out of nowhere to win by less than 1 percent of the vote, down from a 65 win 8 years ago. Im a Bernie supporter and if the DNC tries to tell us our voice will not be respected, I will lend my voice to Mr. Trumps campaign.
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Oh my god you are so ridiculous.
Cities have the most voters and are usually the last to report, because they have so many votes to count.
This is exactly what happened last night.
You sound just like one of those Nixon groupies who insist Kennedy stole America from him back in 1960.
The only people admitting to rigging elections are the Republicans. The leader of the GOP ADMITS that their elections are rigged and their party is corrupt. But hey, that doesn't bother you, does it ?
Cities have the most voters and are usually the last to report, because they have so many votes to count.
This is exactly what happened last night.
You sound just like one of those Nixon groupies who insist Kennedy stole America from him back in 1960.
The only people admitting to rigging elections are the Republicans. The leader of the GOP ADMITS that their elections are rigged and their party is corrupt. But hey, that doesn't bother you, does it ?
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Your move to Trump from Bernie speaks to your fanaticism rather than rationality concerning your following Sanders, who has now become a zealot, from whom I m tired of hearing the same old speeches. I myself am a progressive and a former Bernie supporter, who gave his campaign money. But, his "holier than thou" attitude, his lack of details on his policies, as if they will happen out a magical hat, his lack of accomplishment over 28 years in the Congress, his temperament, and his anger in particular, have been big turn offs. Go ahead, vote for Trump and see what happens to our country for years to come. Among other issues, Trump has already indicated that he would repeal the Dodd-Frank bill, modify the climate change agreement negotiated by Obama, and has just released a list of conservative judges for the Supreme Court. I, for one, will vote for Hillary - our future and the future of our children and the planet are too important!
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Campaign finance reform is the defining issue of this year's election.
Our government has been sold to the highest bidders, so the government has become responsive to the wealthy donors, but not to the average citizens. This is NOT democracy!
If you want to restore American democracy, vote for Sanders. He has not taken money from billionaires the way Clinton has. He will make campaign finance reform a central issue in his presidency.
Our government has been sold to the highest bidders, so the government has become responsive to the wealthy donors, but not to the average citizens. This is NOT democracy!
If you want to restore American democracy, vote for Sanders. He has not taken money from billionaires the way Clinton has. He will make campaign finance reform a central issue in his presidency.
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I just have to say it: I'm sick of Hillary. I'm sick of hearing her speak, I'm sick of hearing that she's the "most qualified" person running, and I'm sick of all the media fawning over her because friends of hers have ownership stakes in those fawning media outlets.
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Hey, great way to pick your leaders ...
We are still in the primaries and the most populous state in the Union, that both establishment Democrats and Republicans have repeatedly milked for cash, has not yet had a chance to speak--which frankly, always feels a little bit like taxation without representation.
Win or lose, the Senator is the first candidate in many of our lifetimes who we consider to be an actual progressive who stands for the average citizen; and we simply would appreciate being given an opportunity for our voices to be heard.
Win or lose, the Senator is the first candidate in many of our lifetimes who we consider to be an actual progressive who stands for the average citizen; and we simply would appreciate being given an opportunity for our voices to be heard.
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If the NYTimes were a "news" organization the headline may read: "Presumptive Nominee Loses Oregon By 9 Points - Kentucky Win By Less Than Half Percent"
Then the body of the story would begin to delve deeply into her incredible weakness as a candidate, the fact that she is intensely disliked, and her very low chances of winning in the fall. It might even mention the sea change currently taking place wherein voters - even in a party primary - seem to have turned against the Clinton model.
If she was so great, she would be trouncing Sanders, who yesterday, won some 65,000 more votes in the combined two contests than did she. Bernie or Bust is real, and you can be absolutely certain that character will count to the Sanders contingent.
Then the body of the story would begin to delve deeply into her incredible weakness as a candidate, the fact that she is intensely disliked, and her very low chances of winning in the fall. It might even mention the sea change currently taking place wherein voters - even in a party primary - seem to have turned against the Clinton model.
If she was so great, she would be trouncing Sanders, who yesterday, won some 65,000 more votes in the combined two contests than did she. Bernie or Bust is real, and you can be absolutely certain that character will count to the Sanders contingent.
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How many votes did Obama trounce Hillary by in 2008 ?
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Hillary should offer the VP slot, put this behind her, and move onto the general election.
Perhaps offer Warren a cabinet slot as well, and announce it right now, along with her supreme court choices.
That should do the trick. Why is she hesitating? What has she got to lose?
Perhaps offer Warren a cabinet slot as well, and announce it right now, along with her supreme court choices.
That should do the trick. Why is she hesitating? What has she got to lose?
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Sounds like Bernie wants to be Trump's VP, not Hillary's VP
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Sounds like a baseless accusation, Fran.
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Cant disagree with you, sadly
Bernie can defeat Kasich in the general, because they poll the best in all these hypothetical matchups.
I hear Trump is about to give up his nomination, because polls are showing Kasich is doing better. We know Sanders wants Hillary to drop out because he is polling better.
We should, henceforth, base our nomination, and even elections, on the polls. Truman should never have been the president, polls clearly said so.
I hear Trump is about to give up his nomination, because polls are showing Kasich is doing better. We know Sanders wants Hillary to drop out because he is polling better.
We should, henceforth, base our nomination, and even elections, on the polls. Truman should never have been the president, polls clearly said so.
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Although I agree with many of Bernie Sanders views about fairness for all and economic equality, I otherwise personally go against the all-in for Bernie tide. I simply can't imagine him (anymore than I can imagine a Trump) in the White House or Oval Office. I don't believe either has the broad range of knowledge and experience/temperament needed to run the country (not ruin it) and be leader of the free world. As President Obama observed, Hillary Clinton could successfully take over starting day one. And I believe President Obama knows better than anyone else who can best replace him. Also, bandwagon's are often found to be going in the wrong direction.
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"As President Obama observed..."
Have you forgotten that Bernie Sanders has ten times more experience than President Obama had when he entered the White House? Your point is not genuine...
Have you forgotten that Bernie Sanders has ten times more experience than President Obama had when he entered the White House? Your point is not genuine...
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Dear Tom, Everyone has their own opinion. I trust that your opinions are "genuine" for you; as mine are genuine to me. Also, I find it interesting that some Bernie supporters, like yourself, find a need to judge other's views as somehow being less than. You might disagree with Hillary supporters, but you will be hard pressed to find any of us negating Bernie's supporters views or tossing around chairs when we disagree with some policy. To avoid polarization everyone's motto ought to be: "disagree without being disagreeable." Thank you.
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I refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton. If I can't vote for Bernie Sanders, I'll vote for Jill Stein. I love Ms. Stein as much as I love Bernie Sanders. I can't believe Bill Clinton, doddering now, irrelevant and rambling, angry and as wretched as Trump toward women, will be put in charge of anything if Secretary Clinton becomes president. I can't believe he can do anything for this country's economy. So she is telling us her presidency will be a twofer and we should vote for her. Shame on her. I am not shopping for a two for one president. I want a person with truly progressive ideas--who can empathize with folks on $ 7.50 an hour, not just mouth them platitudes about 12 dollars an hour but understand a minimum of 15$ an hour should be minimum to live on, someone who has no super pac, someone who is not expected to win on super delegates, some one who is not super hypocritical, super deceptive, super hawkish, super rich and despite super experience wants to be trickle down, super slow and incremental in reform. Give me Bernie or I'll take Stein.
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You speak for millions of us!
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Millions of you?? -- Maybe...but still not enough to break into the lead. Good luck with that.
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If she would agree to send Bill Clinton to Timbuktu, I would be a lot more with comfortable with her, President Clinton was the best Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt.
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Hillary lies about winning in Kentucky. Come on Hillary no way did you even get 10 votes in kentucky
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I have two main concerns about Hillary that make me hesitate about voting for her if she is the Democratic nominee. First, based on her past performance, she is a darling of neocons; I am afraid she will drag us into another mid-east war to build her re-election credentials and to please the neocons. Second, having taken so much money from the finance industry, she is basically in the pocket of the Wall St, just like Obama was. I don't think she will do anything substantive to reform the excesses of the finance industry, and just like Obama, she will surround herself with Wall St insiders to run the economy. She is not doing anything to address my fears. I might just sit out this general election.
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Clinton's "victory" is a joke! 0.5% looks more like a tie with the candidates each getting 46%+ and nothing like the 54.8% Bernie won vs. Hillary's 45.2% in Oregon. Winning results (?) 9.6% vs 0.5%, which one is a victory and the other a tie.
The Clinton Campaign's two presidents for the price of one makes me wonder which Clinton would actually become president in January!
The Clinton Campaign's two presidents for the price of one makes me wonder which Clinton would actually become president in January!
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And what was so bad about the Clinton Presidency ?
The 23 million jobs ?
The budget surplus ?
The low gas prices ?
The reduction in crime ?
Sustained GDP growth despite financial crises in Mexico, Russia, and Asia ?
I know, it's NAFTA ... well if you decided to read the facts, you would know that the problems allegedly caused by NAFTA existed long before NAFTA was passed. And despite NAFTA, the country found room for 23 million net jobs.
Try again ...
The 23 million jobs ?
The budget surplus ?
The low gas prices ?
The reduction in crime ?
Sustained GDP growth despite financial crises in Mexico, Russia, and Asia ?
I know, it's NAFTA ... well if you decided to read the facts, you would know that the problems allegedly caused by NAFTA existed long before NAFTA was passed. And despite NAFTA, the country found room for 23 million net jobs.
Try again ...
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The more time goes by, the more I see that the Sanders' campaign isn't what it appears. It's clear to me now how much Republican "Independents" are trying to feed the discord and are voting for Sanders to distort what is really going on.
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You have made a very important point.
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As a die hard Bernie fan, I cannot support Hillary if Bernie comes up short. The DNC, Wasserman, and the elites have done everything they can to stop Bernie and support Hillary, a failed candidate. I will absolutely vote for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination to protest what the Democratic party has done to Bernie in order to show them this is not how we want our candidates to be elected ( I mean installed).
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Oh, Mickey,
I respect your admiration for Sen. Sanders; I don't agree with your characterization of Sec. Clinton. But, Mickey, what purpose would be served by voting for Mr. Trump to 'send a message' to the Democratic establishment? We'll all suffer exponentially if Mr. Trump is elected president. He is the (assumed) standard-bearer for the party that is anathema to liberalism. I can't imagine Sen. Sanders would want you to throw the baby out with the bath water, no matter how disappointed you may feel.
I respect your admiration for Sen. Sanders; I don't agree with your characterization of Sec. Clinton. But, Mickey, what purpose would be served by voting for Mr. Trump to 'send a message' to the Democratic establishment? We'll all suffer exponentially if Mr. Trump is elected president. He is the (assumed) standard-bearer for the party that is anathema to liberalism. I can't imagine Sen. Sanders would want you to throw the baby out with the bath water, no matter how disappointed you may feel.
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How does a "failed candidate" get 3 million more votes than a so-called successful one? I guess it's those dang registered Democratic voters who won't bow to the demands of the Socialist Democratic Party's candidate and his followers. An outrage.
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From the NYT' Planet Hillary article in January.
"When I asked David Axelrod what he thought Clinton had to do to win in 2016, he referred to the change she underwent during the last campaign. “She stumbled in 2007, when she was encased in a presumption of inevitability,” Axelrod said. “And she was a very good candidate in 2008 after she got knocked back. Instead of a battleship, she became a speedboat, and she got down on the ground and really, I thought, really connected to the middle-class voters and people who were struggling. People who were struggling connected with her when she looked like she was struggling.”
The problem today is she is not believable to the middle class. Trump, for all his largesse, talk and sounds like he really wants to bring back the middle class. Sanders, like Trump, connects as an outsider. Hillary doesn't connect AT ALL in any way - policy or personality with America outside the beltway.
"When I asked David Axelrod what he thought Clinton had to do to win in 2016, he referred to the change she underwent during the last campaign. “She stumbled in 2007, when she was encased in a presumption of inevitability,” Axelrod said. “And she was a very good candidate in 2008 after she got knocked back. Instead of a battleship, she became a speedboat, and she got down on the ground and really, I thought, really connected to the middle-class voters and people who were struggling. People who were struggling connected with her when she looked like she was struggling.”
The problem today is she is not believable to the middle class. Trump, for all his largesse, talk and sounds like he really wants to bring back the middle class. Sanders, like Trump, connects as an outsider. Hillary doesn't connect AT ALL in any way - policy or personality with America outside the beltway.
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But Trump is a fraud. Republicans, Democrats, and Independents know he is a fraud.
I don't think Hillary is as detached as you say she is, and the decline of the middle class has been proven to be illusory.
You point to Axelrod stating that Hillary has it in her to connect with people. There is NO evidence that Trump will ever stop being a fraud. There's little lies littered throughout his interviews and speeches.
Even his endorsers freely admit he's a phony. He admits to being corrupt.
Hillary over Trump, there is no question.
I don't think Hillary is as detached as you say she is, and the decline of the middle class has been proven to be illusory.
You point to Axelrod stating that Hillary has it in her to connect with people. There is NO evidence that Trump will ever stop being a fraud. There's little lies littered throughout his interviews and speeches.
Even his endorsers freely admit he's a phony. He admits to being corrupt.
Hillary over Trump, there is no question.
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@Fran:
You wrote, ". . . the decline of the middle class has been proven illusory."
Please prove this proof. Real data, no anecdotes.
You wrote, ". . . the decline of the middle class has been proven illusory."
Please prove this proof. Real data, no anecdotes.
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Sanders --the "independent who caucuses with the Democrats" , who voted against war--- demonstrates his true mettle in declining to disavow the violence of his Democratic supporters. Angry in demeanor, he enjoys the excitement of incitement reliving his past of provocation (albeit for a good cause), and demonstrating a lack of the prudent leadership essential to a meaningful presidency.
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Bernie Sanders needs to decide whether he's going to be the Ralph Nader of this election cycle and hand the election to Trump.
He and his followers better wake up. He's not going to get the Democratic nomination, there's no way that happens. He's not going to win the election as a third party candidate.
He has had an important role in defining the issues and moving the party to the left. That's very important and can't be ignored. But it appears his huge ego will happily let a party of which he's not even a real member go down the tubes so he can continue his absurd quest. For what?
He and his followers better wake up. He's not going to get the Democratic nomination, there's no way that happens. He's not going to win the election as a third party candidate.
He has had an important role in defining the issues and moving the party to the left. That's very important and can't be ignored. But it appears his huge ego will happily let a party of which he's not even a real member go down the tubes so he can continue his absurd quest. For what?
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Bernie said he wanted a revolution.
Maybe he actually believes it's a good idea to burn something down before you build it up again. Maybe that's why he seems to be OK with tearing down the Democratic Party.
(Personally I think destroying in order to rebuild is a terrible idea.)
Maybe he actually believes it's a good idea to burn something down before you build it up again. Maybe that's why he seems to be OK with tearing down the Democratic Party.
(Personally I think destroying in order to rebuild is a terrible idea.)
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Sorry but the many Bernie is the new Nadar comments are pure non-sense. These are primaries not a general election. Examples of when contested primaries weakened a victorious candidate might be relevant.
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Numbers are important, but we should wait until all the primaries are done to see the relative strength of Hill against Bernie even if the former appears so close to winning the final count.
Then, and only then, should the Dems try to figure out how to create an effective synergy to outflank Donald Trump in November. For my money, a Bernie-Hill ticket, not a Hill-Bernie ticket, should be the winning combination, for Bernie can cover Hill's vulnerabilities from the top of the ticket,but the reverse could prove a soft target for the no-holds-barred Trump onslaughts. Strength can always overshadow weakness, but weakness should never be allowed to overshadow strength.
Then, and only then, should the Dems try to figure out how to create an effective synergy to outflank Donald Trump in November. For my money, a Bernie-Hill ticket, not a Hill-Bernie ticket, should be the winning combination, for Bernie can cover Hill's vulnerabilities from the top of the ticket,but the reverse could prove a soft target for the no-holds-barred Trump onslaughts. Strength can always overshadow weakness, but weakness should never be allowed to overshadow strength.
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Sanders was a visionary - now he's just looking sad, bitter and selfish - and he's doing damage. Talk about weakened candidate - he's pouring time and resources into these primaries, he's attacking Clinton again and again while Hilary has to hold her fire and husband her resources - and he lost Kentucky and barely won perhaps his best state - Oregon...
Despite what his supporters say this man is not a strong candidate.
Despite what his supporters say this man is not a strong candidate.
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It should be obvious that Clinton should ditch her corporate, military and foreign masters and embrace some of the progressive positions Bernie has been pushing. Building up delegates in states she hasn't a hope of winning in Nov. is not the path to victory. She is deeply unpopular with many, can't get her message out because it's so thin, has done nothing to appeal to today's Democrats and lets Trump dominate the media. Trump is a VP pick away from an easy win.
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The US has about 5% population of the world - its President needs to navigate the country through this fact of life - bombs do not make for power nor leadership. Victoria Secret models inspire and may be one of them should run to inspire folks who look for inspiration - Socialism has failed every where and so has bullying the world - Bernie and Trump represent these two sides of the US - Hillary is a tough and cool headed individual and she happens to be a woman. Women drive the US economy - it is time for someone who looks them to be in the White House.
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Seriously.
Maybe all these people who think things are run so badly ought to look at the fact that it's been nothing but men running things.
Maybe all these people who think things are run so badly ought to look at the fact that it's been nothing but men running things.
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Why are folks so worried unifying the Democratic Party? Most of Bernie Sanders supporters are Independents, not registered Democrats.
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It is very clear. Bernie represents an energetic movement to return the Democratic party to its roots, while Hillary represents the plodding status quo centrist version of the party created by her husband. Hillary will lose to Trump. Bernie would easily defeat him. When the super delegates back Hillary they insure the end of this centrist Democratic party and hopefully a return to a Democratic party of and for the people in 2020.
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I have been a Democrat for most of my life...though I now consider myself an independent. Attended many party conventions. I have only one question. How is it possible for a life long independent socialist to run for the nomination for president from the Democratic Party? In many states you must declare your party affiliation months before a primary in order to even vote...Is Bernie now a Democrat...or as he says, " A democratic socialist"?
(Ok, that's two questions!)
(Ok, that's two questions!)
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I'm a little confused. Before last night Sen. Sanders needed just under 66% of remaining pledged delegates to get a majority of pledged delegates. After last night he needs just under 68% of them. So why wasn't today's headline "Sanders falls further behind after votes in Kentucky and Oregon."
I guess the Times must be in the bag for Sanders.
I guess the Times must be in the bag for Sanders.
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The Times has endorsed Clinton.
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The Democrat Party is maybe more fractured than the Rebublicans. Should the Democrats be more accurate if they started calling themselves the Democrat Socialist Party?
It would be more accurate to call the party the Corporatist Democrat Party.
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Hillary has been out there being "scrutinized" and, in reality, muddied by the Republican party's slander machines for decades. Whitewater, Benghazi, email-gate, etc, etc. (She is even being blamed for her husband's sexual promiscuity, by Donald Trump of all people!). None of this slander has really stuck. But, because of all of this she has been deemed "untrustworthy", not because she is untrustworthy, but when ignorant folk (i.e. American voters) hear the same thing over and over again they begin to believe it. Bernie has not had this onslaught because Hillary has always been assumed to be the Democratic candidate. I voted for Bernie because my political philosophy is most closely related to his platform, and I don't agree with Hillary's policies of sending military personnel to the Middle East and Libya. Nevertheless. when compared to Trump Hillary is most exceedingly TRUSTWORTHY. I will do whatever I can to see that if she is the Democratic nominee, that she is elected president. Anyone who now supports Bernie and will vote for Trump if Bernie is not the Democratic nominee will be horrifically disappointed if Trump were elected.
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No, she is not blamed by Trump for Bill's sexual promiscuity. She is blamed by Trump for her part in smearing and disparaging the women Bill assaulted.
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I used to like Bernie. But now, he has become obnoxious, polemic, and just a sore loser. He could have stopped some of the nonsense in Nevada. I don't think he will ever succumb to the inevitable nominee. He is delusional, and still thinks he's going win.
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His voice needs to be heard. He is the only candidate speaking for working people.
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Sanders, who touts his better judgement over Clinton's needs to demonstrate that JUDGEMENT by insisting his radical supporters cease and desist from violent reactions to campaign outcomes. IN ADDITION, for someone who hopes to cement his reputation as one who is HONEST and tells it like it is, he needs to simply OWN UP to the fact that he HAS NOT WON and WILL NOT WIN the Democratic nomination. He should do that without equivocation, eschewing remarks suggesting anything about losing due to cheating or other "establishment" bias. He can promulgate his philosophy without indicting Hillary's campaign or ascribing blame to the Democratic party. It is notable that, despite his success with attracting large rally crowds, he hasn't been able to generate that "REVOLUTION" sufficient to achieve his (generally) unrealistic and UN-real world VISIONS and DREAMS (and, indeed, a "revolution" is required to accomplish even half of those dreams). The longer he demurs in facing these facts, the more harm he's doing to the chances of a Democratic victory in November. I also think he needs to DROP such terms as "FIGHT" in his rally speeches. There's a portion of his followers who want to take literally that term. It is an unwise choice to use that word instead of "EFFORT". So, judgement, honesty and wisdom are needed sooner, rather than later.
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Bernie's supporters do not want him to quit. The voices of his supporters must be heard. It's called "democracy."
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If it's a "democracy" -- Why do you make it sound like a Communist Party referendum??
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Like it or not, the voting in the primaries doesn't predict the general-election vote, because the largest bloc of voters--independents--aren't included. Sanders leads in the national polls because they include independents, who
are 40% of the electorate;
couldn't vote in many Democratic primaries and caucuses;
vote 2-1 Sanders over Clinton (new CBS poll, below);
and yes, do vote in the general election.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-primary-electorate-key-findings-f...
are 40% of the electorate;
couldn't vote in many Democratic primaries and caucuses;
vote 2-1 Sanders over Clinton (new CBS poll, below);
and yes, do vote in the general election.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-primary-electorate-key-findings-f...
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I hope the FBI finishes their investigation before the convention. She and the Clinton foundation have most certainly been gaming the system, extending benefits to cronies and playing by their own rules (be it e-mail or slush funding). I'm no fan of Trump and his xenophobia but at least he's for single payer health-care, eschews dark money and is probably less hawkish than Hill on the war mongering front. I'm a life long democrat and like so many, sick of business as usual in our country. GoBernie.
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Why does Mrs. Clinton's promise to put Mr. Bill "in charge of the economy" not tempt me into voting for her? For whom, precisely, were the 1990's a decade of economic growth? Oh yeah, them.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2001/11/02useconomics-orszag
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2001/11/02useconomics-orszag
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There has been an unending litany of complaints about media blackout on Bernie, but a simple internet search will show that about 90% of the articles are about him. His coming-out-of-nowhere-to-challenge-the-establishment is essentially the story of this democratic primary. If there hasn’t been much attention to his speeches, the reason is simple — they are always exactly the same. He hasn’t added a single new idea to his original message and does not respond in a nuanced way to the world around him. He seems stuck in “unfair.”
I am finding the whole campaign incredibly immature -- from the black-and-white rhetoric to the constant complaints about unfairness to the disturbing mayhem that is breaking out and seemingly condoned. I have been hoping to see a more noble and gracious side to Bernie to back up his elevated messaging, but I have been sorely disappointed. Bernie seems like he hasn’t grown up.
One has only to take a look at Weaver and Divine to see the snakes behind this “idealistic” campaign.
I am afraid that if Bernie doesn’t grow up soon and show that he is equal to his lofty rhetoric, he will leave a disaster in his wake and his legacy will be a deeply bitter one.
I am finding the whole campaign incredibly immature -- from the black-and-white rhetoric to the constant complaints about unfairness to the disturbing mayhem that is breaking out and seemingly condoned. I have been hoping to see a more noble and gracious side to Bernie to back up his elevated messaging, but I have been sorely disappointed. Bernie seems like he hasn’t grown up.
One has only to take a look at Weaver and Divine to see the snakes behind this “idealistic” campaign.
I am afraid that if Bernie doesn’t grow up soon and show that he is equal to his lofty rhetoric, he will leave a disaster in his wake and his legacy will be a deeply bitter one.
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His legacy will be that of a hero who stood up to the establishment to speak for the people -- against all odds.
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"a simple internet search will show that about 90% of the articles are about him."
This means nothing without an explanation of your search methods.
This means nothing without an explanation of your search methods.
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Bernie Sanders keeps coming back, like Rocky Balboa! He won't stay down! That's what we need against Donald Trump. Has anyone seen Hillary's anti-Trump commercials? I'm afraid that if that is all she has got, it will be over even sooner than anyone thought. The pathetic overreach for women's votes is insulting to them and lacks substance. People want substance, the opposite of what Mrs. Clinton seems willing to offer.
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Originally I thought I would vote for Sanders. Then I listened to him debate Clinton. I was shocked by his lack of platform and inability to string together a response. Since then his bullying, defiant behavior has so turned me off that should this guy get the nomination I will vote for Trump.
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I'm a liberal Democrat who after 50 years of voting is looking at a looming disaster this November. After Kentucky and Oregon is should be clear that Hillary Clinton is a very, very weak nominee whose limp and uninspiring candidacy is literally being dragged across the finish line by the establishment Democratic Party aided and abetted by DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and her super-delegates. It's not Bernie Sanders who's spoiling the Clinton coronation, but her out-dated Wall Street policy at home that has created massive wealth inequality and her hawkish regime change policy abroad that has us mired in the Middle East in endless wars. Subcontracting economic change to husband, Bill, who planted the seeds of the Great Recession by abolishing the Glass-Steagall Act and refusing to regulate derivatives as his chair (a talented woman, by the way) of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission recommended. Instead, we need a full-throated embrace of the truly progressive economic populism of the Sanders' campaign. The electorate clearly wants major changes not incremental micro-policies and we'll either get the bigoted, phony populism of Donald Trump or the real deal from Sen. Sanders. Right now I'm looking at the absolute horror of the former, but still hoping that Hillary will see the light and move further left and select Sen. Elizabeth Warren as her running mate.
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Casting Bernie as an angry egomaniac and his supporters as spoiled children is probably not the best way to unify the party. The "shut up and fall in line with the party establishment" approach doesn't seem to be working.
The "reporting" of the Nevada convention was a disgrace. No mention of the outrageous voice votes and steamrolling tactics used by the state party during the convention itself, or why Bernie's delegates were justifiably angry. Allegations of "violence", "mayhem" and "chair throwing", all on the Sanders side apparently, but no arrests, no photos, no video. Threatening phone messages ascribed to Sanders supporters without a shred of evidence as to their actual source. Just another corporate media hatchet job.
The "reporting" of the Nevada convention was a disgrace. No mention of the outrageous voice votes and steamrolling tactics used by the state party during the convention itself, or why Bernie's delegates were justifiably angry. Allegations of "violence", "mayhem" and "chair throwing", all on the Sanders side apparently, but no arrests, no photos, no video. Threatening phone messages ascribed to Sanders supporters without a shred of evidence as to their actual source. Just another corporate media hatchet job.
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Absolutely. Amen. Well said.
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The corporate media and the Democrat elite have been keeping up the smear campaign against Sanders, now using Nevada as an excuse. Interesting that they feel so threatened that he has gotten this far. C'mon, Bernie.
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Worry, worry. The dramatists are portraying Bernie's ongoing uphill struggle as the equivalent of Hilary's failures, not to mention the demise of the entire Democratic Party.
Pshaw, say I. Come the summer doldrums of the political season coupled with a public fatigue with the raunchy and never-ending Trump Show, back will come Bernie to the Progressive backbench. In September, October and November Bernie will do more than Barack Obama to elect Hilary. Bernie has already done more to elect Hilary than Hilary. He has broadened the party and made being a liberal a point of pride rather than a badge of shame. Thanks to Bernie, liberals are having a 'coming out' party. Gone is the shame of being a progressive in the Democratic Party. Not to worry about Bernie. Worry instead that Bill Clinton backslides the party to the centrist mode that gave us NAFTA. UGH!
Pshaw, say I. Come the summer doldrums of the political season coupled with a public fatigue with the raunchy and never-ending Trump Show, back will come Bernie to the Progressive backbench. In September, October and November Bernie will do more than Barack Obama to elect Hilary. Bernie has already done more to elect Hilary than Hilary. He has broadened the party and made being a liberal a point of pride rather than a badge of shame. Thanks to Bernie, liberals are having a 'coming out' party. Gone is the shame of being a progressive in the Democratic Party. Not to worry about Bernie. Worry instead that Bill Clinton backslides the party to the centrist mode that gave us NAFTA. UGH!
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It is obvious that the Democratic establishment, like the GOP establishment, do not understand the mood of the electorate. To continue to insult and antagonize the Bernie supporters will insure a Trump Presidency.. Of course the selection of the delegates is rigged and the ineptitude of the Nevada organization just added fuel to the fire. If That blond Congresswoman from FL does not start to treat the Sanders voters with respect Hillary's next multi million dollar book deal will have a title "How I won the Primary and lost the General Election".
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When will this all be over?
I am a Bernie supporter. I was a Ron Paul supporter.
Our Federal government is, at the least -- bought and sold. At the most -- fundamentally corrupt. For the last 25 - 30 years, we have seen enacted the policies and laws purchased with campaign donations from the leading global "US" corporations, including insurance companies and private billionaires.
How well is this working out for the middle class of the USA?
When Hillary gets in: TTIP will be enacted and then the game is over. Corporations rule the world in an orderly and quiet manner, appointing their Kings and Queens - lords and ladies; regular folk will have tow the line and produce profits for their masters.
When Trump gets in: Well, chaos... and the Federal Government will come toppling down.
Just my predictions.
But before we get to see what is to become of this once great nation -- we have 6 more months of bad political reality TV.
I am a Bernie supporter. I was a Ron Paul supporter.
Our Federal government is, at the least -- bought and sold. At the most -- fundamentally corrupt. For the last 25 - 30 years, we have seen enacted the policies and laws purchased with campaign donations from the leading global "US" corporations, including insurance companies and private billionaires.
How well is this working out for the middle class of the USA?
When Hillary gets in: TTIP will be enacted and then the game is over. Corporations rule the world in an orderly and quiet manner, appointing their Kings and Queens - lords and ladies; regular folk will have tow the line and produce profits for their masters.
When Trump gets in: Well, chaos... and the Federal Government will come toppling down.
Just my predictions.
But before we get to see what is to become of this once great nation -- we have 6 more months of bad political reality TV.
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@KD - So let me get this straight -you support an old socialist now who wants universal socialized medicine for all administered by a giant central government that will need to tax everyone including the middle class into borderline poverty to deliver that and universal college education funded by the same central government. BEFORE that your say you supported Ron Paul - Paul who wants the government out of nearly everything and wants to return to the gold standard.
I wish you were a troll -but I suspect you are sincere, which is scarier?
I wish you were a troll -but I suspect you are sincere, which is scarier?
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HRC will be the death of the Democratic Party. She cannot beat Trump. The DNC is totally misreading the electorate, as did the Republican political establishment. Trump beat a large field of savvy Republican politicians precisely because he is not one of them. Bernie Sanders has fought against tremendous obstacles, like the DNC backing of Clinton and a virtual corporate media blackout of his campaign, and he's still winning and HRC still hasn't got enough pledged delegates to be nominated. She will be a disaster if she is put up against Trump. Bernie Sanders is the only real alternative in an election where the majority of voters are looking to break up both corporate owned political parties control of government.
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So vote for trump. Bernie/trump - same coin different sides
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Miriam you can't be more wrong. Big misunderstanding.
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Petulant egomaniac(ala Trump), Sanders proves again he is not a democrat and doesn't give a damm about the Democratic party. He's selfish and DECEITFUL and his followers clearly keep drinking the koolaid. Keep those donations coming. Sanders and his wife and staff must be giddy behind the scenes planning their next European jaunt.
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We believe that we CAN have what citizens of every other industrialized nation on earth have. I gladly give to the Sanders campaign. Clinton is the thief -- and everybody knows it.
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Maybe he cares more about the American people than an artificial construct such as the Democratic Party. After all, this is the same party happy to cow tow to the 1% class and abandon the New Deal principles.
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Believing in a government that works for ALL Americans is not selfish.
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This article hits the nail on the head on why Bernie has shown no leadership and has been revolting in his lack of condemnation for his supporters intimidation, threats and actual violence. This man has no business running for President!!!
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article78199247.html
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article78199247.html
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Declaring Mrs. Clinton as weak and not qualified is absolutely astonishing, considering her great abilities and strengths as a leader and powerful woman. The extremism and the violent anger of Bernie Sanders supporters, classifies them equal to that of the Trump supporters. Bernie Sanders is a temporal demagogue as Trump is, they reflect the present-oriented and finite behaviors of those whom believe themselves to be superior to other people. It is clear that we collectively have failed to assist the underclasses of this country, but we must work together in the efforts to re-orient the nation and its promise to truly serve them. We are collectively involved in the direction of our political and economic systems, not one side declaring itself more capable of leading the way for a total revolution. It is sophomoric and primitive, and is not the way the people of the evolved world hope to bridge to the future of peace and change. As a minority and millennial, I understand the destructive and heartbreaking evil of passive and aggressive bigotry, and both sides of the extremes engage in it. It is terrifying and warrants itself to the behavior of persecutors of the Holocaust, Inquisition and Terrorist extremist. Look at the truth and see how the winds of love and peace shall prevail, not the violence and attack of one or the other. Clinton represents that hope of inclusion and the bridging of differences and needs of all, not attempting to succeed in the ultimate ego trip.
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Hillary is plenty likable! Take it from me -- an older woman who knows what all us older women have been through to get to 2016. She's tough. If she were a man, tough would be an asset. She's aggressive and ambitious. Another asset in men. Politics is a tough, aggressive game and not one of the people in this race has avoided being tough and aggressive. Bernie shouts and points his fingers and refuses to see the handwriting on the wall. The irony is Hillary will accomplish much of what Bernie shouts about. Get out of her way!
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Bernie stop the whining. You knew the rules when you started your campaign and it is totally dishonest of you to continue to claim that you are being cheated by a rigged process.
You need to get a hold of yourself and stop the crybaby rhetoric. You are not winning this primary, you are not even a Democrat, maybe you should show a little class and act a little dignified or else you will help the Donald Chump get elected.
You need to get a hold of yourself and stop the crybaby rhetoric. You are not winning this primary, you are not even a Democrat, maybe you should show a little class and act a little dignified or else you will help the Donald Chump get elected.
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The fact that Trump (oh...I meant to say Sanders) did not unequivocally condemn the death threats by HIS SUPPORTERS against Nevada Democratic officials is appalling, shows a complete lack of leadership by Bernie and utterly disqualifies him as a Presidential candidate. He is a disgrace!
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You did not hear what Sanders had to say about death threats and violence, did you?
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Hillary Clinton clearly does not draw the massive crowds Senator Sanders does ( the latest in Carson, California, 11.000 +) nor does she elicit same level of enthusiasm, and dare I say love showered on Bernie Sanders's at his rallies. There is also a wonderful sense of camaraderie and complicity among his supporters. Wearing a Bernie button or T-shirt invariably draws smiles from strangers on the street. It is ludicrous for the mainstream media to continue marginalizing the Sanders campaign and denying him the recognition his successes deserve. Bernie Sanders is a New Dealer,with a moral compass, a visionary, the only presidential candidate with deep convictions, real convictions , which he has been advocating and fighting for consistently for over three decades. He is definitely the stronger and far more likable presidential candidate on the political horizon, period.
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Would Clinton's supporters be treated kindly for throwing chairs and threatening children if the Party changed all the rules to benefit Bernie? Would the NY Times report that they were unhappy because the party treated them unfairly? I doubt it. Maybe Bernie's goal all along has been to destroy the Democratic Party. If you listen to what he says and watch how his followers behave, a good argument could be made.
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Trump will crush Hillary in November. I have never remembered an election where the press and media and party leaderships have been so biased for a candidate. Bernie has every right to stay in the race until the convention, and then he has the right to convince the Suoerdelegates to switch to him. Polls show Sanders can beat Trump so if the Democratic leadership wants a Democrat in the Oval Office, they need to get behind Sanders. Finally, Clinton is burdened with massive corruption, having amassed a fortune of 200 million dollars within 8 years of Bill's retirement while she was in the Senate and as Secretary of State, she has the FBI investigating her email scandal, her talk if placing Bill in charge of the economy smacks of nepotism. What a scandal ridden candidate! What was the dealership thinking?
Plus the Democratic leadership has rigged the convention so Sanders' supporters have no influence on the standing committees including the Rules.
If it is perceived that Sanders is continued to be treated unfairly, many will not vote in November and many will vote for Trump as a protest vote.
The base is speaking. The leadership needs to listen.
Plus the Democratic leadership has rigged the convention so Sanders' supporters have no influence on the standing committees including the Rules.
If it is perceived that Sanders is continued to be treated unfairly, many will not vote in November and many will vote for Trump as a protest vote.
The base is speaking. The leadership needs to listen.
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Hillar Clinton has more that three millions more popular votes than Bernie Sanders. Who are his supporters I wonder some of them appears to be thugs and a cross over from Trumps supporters.
It is all upto Sanders to give away false hopes that can never be achieved.
Give it up Bernie time to unify the Democratic Party which is totally unrecognizable these days to which you have no loyalty it seems.
The latest one Senetor Barbara Boxter could not even speak for those folks with one intention a total disruption.
It is all upto Sanders to give away false hopes that can never be achieved.
Give it up Bernie time to unify the Democratic Party which is totally unrecognizable these days to which you have no loyalty it seems.
The latest one Senetor Barbara Boxter could not even speak for those folks with one intention a total disruption.
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Never be achieved Americans can NEVER have what Europeans, Canadians, South Americans, Australians have had for DECADES? Gee, how come?
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So you want a revolution Sanders' supporters? How much violence and chaos will you sanction? Is the Nevada’s state convention (death threats against Nevada’s Democratic chairwoman!!) the template of planned havoc at the Democratic convention in Philadelphia?
The Sanders campaign is a disgrace, and those making terroristic threats in Nevada should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. How soon before injuries occur? I am old enough to remember Chicago in 1968 - poisoning the well for Democrats in the White House for years to come.
Anyone with a lick of sense should see that the irrational hatred of Secretary Clinton is borne of judgment gone far beyond the bounds of rationality. It's not about Bernie, Sanders supporters - it's about safety and security; and preservation of the way of life as we know it – and a liberal Supreme Court! Revolutions frequently end badly, and we are seeing the hints of the outcome of this one.
Oh yes, one more thing. Sanders' supporters are doing the Donald's bidding. He's grinning like always and "keeping his powder dry".
The Sanders campaign is a disgrace, and those making terroristic threats in Nevada should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. How soon before injuries occur? I am old enough to remember Chicago in 1968 - poisoning the well for Democrats in the White House for years to come.
Anyone with a lick of sense should see that the irrational hatred of Secretary Clinton is borne of judgment gone far beyond the bounds of rationality. It's not about Bernie, Sanders supporters - it's about safety and security; and preservation of the way of life as we know it – and a liberal Supreme Court! Revolutions frequently end badly, and we are seeing the hints of the outcome of this one.
Oh yes, one more thing. Sanders' supporters are doing the Donald's bidding. He's grinning like always and "keeping his powder dry".
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This morning, reading the comments of Sanders supporters, I have only the greatest respect for their passionate statements, including the recognition that if Hillary Clinton can only barely squeak out a possible victory in a conservative closed primary state such as Kentucky, then Donald Trump will “clean her clock in November.”
I have, many times, considered cancelling my subscription to the NY Times , yet being honestly informed and encouraged by other readers has had me want to keep on reading this newspaper. I believe many other men and women feel this way too.
I have, many times, considered cancelling my subscription to the NY Times , yet being honestly informed and encouraged by other readers has had me want to keep on reading this newspaper. I believe many other men and women feel this way too.
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Oh, for crying out loud, the Bernie folks are behaving like Republicans.
They are complaining independents should be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries, and those independents surely would have voted for Bernie.
If they really wanted to vote for Bernie, then they should have joined the Democratic party.
Bernie acolytes confuse a nominating system with a general election, when any eligible voter can cast a ballot (except perhaps in GOP-controlled states).
The Democratic party in any state gets to set its own rules. If they choose not to allow anybody off the street to vote for their nominee, that is reasonable, and Bernie's campaign workers should have educated themselves. They didn't.
Do Bernie acolytes really want Trump supporters flowing into state conventions and caucuses to decide whom the Dem nominee is?
Bernie himself is not a Democrat, but he enjoys the privileges of caucusing with them. Many of supporters likewise do not feel compelled to join the party, but nonetheless feel they should have a say on how the party is run. Sort of like workers who don't support their union but reap the benefits of membership.
And, yes, Hillary is leading by millions of votes — or do the Bernie folks figure the Clinton votes are worth only 3/5ths of theirs?
Bernie is bound and determined to be the new Ralph Nader. Anyone remember what happened back then?
If Trump gains the presidency, surely the Bernie acolytes will blame themselves. Right?
They are complaining independents should be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries, and those independents surely would have voted for Bernie.
If they really wanted to vote for Bernie, then they should have joined the Democratic party.
Bernie acolytes confuse a nominating system with a general election, when any eligible voter can cast a ballot (except perhaps in GOP-controlled states).
The Democratic party in any state gets to set its own rules. If they choose not to allow anybody off the street to vote for their nominee, that is reasonable, and Bernie's campaign workers should have educated themselves. They didn't.
Do Bernie acolytes really want Trump supporters flowing into state conventions and caucuses to decide whom the Dem nominee is?
Bernie himself is not a Democrat, but he enjoys the privileges of caucusing with them. Many of supporters likewise do not feel compelled to join the party, but nonetheless feel they should have a say on how the party is run. Sort of like workers who don't support their union but reap the benefits of membership.
And, yes, Hillary is leading by millions of votes — or do the Bernie folks figure the Clinton votes are worth only 3/5ths of theirs?
Bernie is bound and determined to be the new Ralph Nader. Anyone remember what happened back then?
If Trump gains the presidency, surely the Bernie acolytes will blame themselves. Right?
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Perhaps some Sanders supporters, particularly those advocating violence and "revolution", are Republicans...have you considered this possibility?
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Bernie Sanders sells pipe dreams, he can't execute on his promises without seriously damaging the American economy. Socialism is a failed system, it promises more equality and delivers by bringing everyone to the lowest common denominator. Those who support Sanders are idealists without vision.
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I really don't understand the BernieBots. Somehow they believe a 74 year old Socialist from a small state with a smaller population than suburban Chicago will change the whole political "system" and give it back to the "people". How is this remotely possible? Have they not been paying attention to President Obama's experience with the Republicans the last 8 years? If the BernieBots want to change things for the better for people they will support Mrs. Clinton and every Democrat running for Congress. If the Democrats can control the government, then the Bots will get what they want.
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Sanders supporters make Trump supporter look like the Peace Corp!
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I'm starting to pay heed to the claim that Sanders would fare better than Clinton against Trump. If Sanders becomes the nominee, it's more likely Clinton supporters will go out and vote for him. Sanders supporters might just stay home rather than vote for Clinton in the election.
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That sounds like extortion to me
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I voted for Hillary in the PA primary. Although many of my views align with Sanders' more closely and I love the passion of his message and vision, I nevertheless sense there is a not enough breadth in terms of experience nor depth in terms of policy (I like his policies, but they remain half-baked in many instances). That said, I think Bernie has gotten shortchanged from the get-go by the media..and why?
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I have no doubt that Bernie Sanders is a wonderful man. I am old enough to be reminded of Eugene McCarthy, another fine person. An article appeared during McCarthy's run for the presidency, titled, "Man from La Mancha," and the sentence I remember claimed that McCarthy was "better suited to the presidency of Plato's Republic than to the presidency of the United States." Be that as it may, there was never a chance that either man would be POTUS. This is dangerous idealism and Sanders needs to stop now before he does any damage. He, like McCarthy before him, has done some good and forced onto the political landscape some admirable and much needed ideas. But McCarthy stayed too long and look what happened. Bernie Sanders, please don't be a spoiler. As before, we can't afford it.
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Early on I was a Bernie supporter, did my share of $25 pledges etc. Now my chump change goes to Hillary. Bernie is sounding shrill & his people are hysterical and dogmatic like Trump supporters. Hillary is centrist, she's experienced, she's presidential, and she's sane. Unlike the Donald. I think a lot of people hate her because she's a powerful woman and because they believe all the propaganda that the Republicans have been hurling at her for years. Lest we forget: the Republicans have been after Hillary with all the've got for years.
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Increasingly clear that the Republican party does not have a monopoly on fools and faux ideological purity.
Those who do not remember the Nader are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the Nader are doomed to repeat it.
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There is small chance that Sanders will reign-in his undisciplined follows for any reason, let alone for the Democratic Party. He is a Democrat of convenience. If he had run as a Socialist and tried to rely upon what has been a non-entity performance in the Senate, he wouldn't have attracted any attention. Check out the exorbitant tax rates of citizens who live in Socialist countries, and see how much Bernie's gifts would cost. Bernie and Trump are strange bed-fellows in their disregard for how government can successfully work, their total disrespect for their competitors and their encouragement of the mob-like behavior of their cult-like followers. They share a despicable and eerie egoism that should quell the support of current supporters who respect and believe in the basic beliefs in free speech and law and order.
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Both the campaigns’ and the media’s narrative of the primary continues to be nonsensical. There was no ‘victory’ in Kentucky. The Clinton and Sanders campaigns each come away from that contest with 27 delegates. It’s more accurate to call it a draw or a stalemate.
Clinton could be ahead by 2,000 votes or behind by 2,000 votes and the result is the same: 27 delegates.
Clinton could be ahead by 2,000 votes or behind by 2,000 votes and the result is the same: 27 delegates.
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There is a strange revisionism taking hold these days: Bernie is being cheated out the nomination because the mainstream media and the DNC are conspiring against him. The reality is that Bernie is just losing the primaries so far to Hilary, fair and square by the tune of 2.5 million votes.
I am no fan of Hilary, but it's probably time to accept she's the nominee and start thinking about ways to beat trump in November.
I am no fan of Hilary, but it's probably time to accept she's the nominee and start thinking about ways to beat trump in November.
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What is the NYT criteria for determining which articles are granted a comments section? It really seems like any article on Sanders lately is much less likely to have comments.
For instance, "Bernie Sanders Facing Pressure Over Supporters’ Actions in Nevada" - published two days ago still has no comment ability. Similarly, "
From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates" published two days ago also has no comments section. These feels like NYT want's to silence any criticism of it's version of events.
These articles are about highly contentious issues happening right now, and I feel your readers should have a voice, especially as the NYT support of Clinton has many questioning your ethics and ability to accurately report factual events.
Personally, I've found the dissonance between NYT's take compared to videotaped footage of the events in Nevada to be extremely disconcerting.
For instance, "Bernie Sanders Facing Pressure Over Supporters’ Actions in Nevada" - published two days ago still has no comment ability. Similarly, "
From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates" published two days ago also has no comments section. These feels like NYT want's to silence any criticism of it's version of events.
These articles are about highly contentious issues happening right now, and I feel your readers should have a voice, especially as the NYT support of Clinton has many questioning your ethics and ability to accurately report factual events.
Personally, I've found the dissonance between NYT's take compared to videotaped footage of the events in Nevada to be extremely disconcerting.
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Are Bernie supporters doing what Republicans have done for so long? That is repeat a lie so often that they start to believe it themselves? Hillary supporters are alive and well; there are many of us. Just because we are not rioting at campaign headquarters, just because we are not yelling and screaming all the time does not mean we don't exist. Hillary will be a strong candidate; Bernie Sanders better care about his country more than he does his own ego--that is increasingly the scenario about which we are nervously wringing our hands. Another commentator in the NY Times Pick's said it best: Hillary has been cordial and supportive of Bernie, a Senator who was NOT EVEN A PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY for the last thirty years. NOW he wants delegates, super delegates and the support of all us? Not so fast. I have many reservations, just as others have reservations about Hillary. But after every primary Hillary supporters are not denouncing Bernie Sanders. Meanwhile Sanders supporters, new to the party, new to the whole process it seems, holler and stamp their feet with irritation that we all don't just bow out and allow him to win by default. Stop it. This is becoming unbelievably obnoxious. Furthermore, it is dangerous: the REAL ENEMY is the clown with the crazy orange hairdo who will destroy this nation as we know it. You know, the one married to the lingerie model, who mispronounces Tanzania and wants to quit NATO? Yeah, that one.
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I believe the Sanders team, since Sanders has no chance of winning the nomination, is out to wreck the Clinton campaign in order to bring on the age of Trump. I see two reasons. First as punishment to the American electorate for not nominating Sanders and second a reach back to the ‘60’s radical left idea that the best way to bring on “the revolution” is to first destroy the country.
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I'll share a personal story: I, along with a friend, ran Bernie Sanders' on-campus UVM campaign when he ran for mayor of Burlington in 1980. He won that race by ten votes. We certainly got him more than ten votes. A year later I ran into Bernie outside a polling place in Burlington. I had just returned from Pittsburgh and had seen the renaissance the city was undergoing. I told Bernie I was impressed by Pittsburgh's resurgence and was confused about our radical stance when clearly big banks and large funding apparatus were behind the construction. I'll never forget what he did. He put his hands up, purses his lips...and walked away. As if to say, obviously, you're not one of us anymore. There I was, a 19 year old kid...who had helped get him elected...with genuine questions. And now...I'm one of them. Bernie doesn't take well to things that water down his fist in the air stance. Nor does Donald Trump. Tear down the wall. Build the wall. Hillary...no great fists in the air... Just run the country, with experience.
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John: Despite the media's attempts to persuade otherwise, many of us who support Bernie's candidacy do not, in fact, think he's the Messiah. He's just the best choice.
He undoubtedly has plenty of flaws. I wouldn't have raised my child as he raised his, subordinate to a utopian dream. I think he's failed to show as much courage re the Middle East as I myself consider morally necessary.
But Hillary is one-half of the most venal couple in politics. I don't dislike her--I loathe her. And I am a woman of mature years.
During the course of those years I sometimes treated people with less than sterling courtesy. Sometimes I was obtuse or even cruel. I don't doubt that Bernie has hurt people by omission or commission. But he's the best choice we have.
He undoubtedly has plenty of flaws. I wouldn't have raised my child as he raised his, subordinate to a utopian dream. I think he's failed to show as much courage re the Middle East as I myself consider morally necessary.
But Hillary is one-half of the most venal couple in politics. I don't dislike her--I loathe her. And I am a woman of mature years.
During the course of those years I sometimes treated people with less than sterling courtesy. Sometimes I was obtuse or even cruel. I don't doubt that Bernie has hurt people by omission or commission. But he's the best choice we have.
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Clinton is weak, has a weak platform. Will lose if nominated.
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The nastiness of the Bernie campaign is becoming painful to watch. The outrageous behavior of his supporters in Nevada is thuggery and nothing more. I am educated and I have done my homework, that is why I will be voting for Clinton. I started off as a Bernie supporter but ideological purity scares me and his complete lack of specifics is intellectually dishonest. I am amused by people wanting their "revolution." Actual revolutions are bloody affairs and rarely end well. It appears (certainly from the comments section in this newspaper) that Clinton is the anti-Christ and Bernie is walking perfection. Lastly, the NYTimes reporting has been horrible this election cycle. Every day is Trump day and none of the policies of the Democratic candidates are actually discussed. Every headline has the ring of the "National Enquirer" to it.
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If you've truly done your homework you know the claim of "violence" committed by Sanders's supporters is a lie.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-r...
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If Hillary's supposed vulnerabilities still leave her crushing Sanders and Trump among women, blacks, Hispanics, I would say she is in pretty good shape not only to stave off any shenanigans from Sanders and his loutish supporters at the convention, but to give Trump a sound drubbing in the general election.
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It is time for Sanders to get out. The race is not about him. He cannot get the nomination and he is only dividing and weakening the party. Clearly by staying in the race he is showing that his vanity is more important than the cause of the party and the country. He has made a contribution to the politics of the US and that has been noted. Now he is playing a destructive role.
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thats th way i feel about hrc
time for her to move on and support bernie and stop dividing th party
time for her to move on and support bernie and stop dividing th party
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Let all the states vote first.
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Who knew that the left was filled with fascists as is the right?
This election is like Hurricane Katrina blowing away the facade of civility and unity. Blow winds blow....
This election is like Hurricane Katrina blowing away the facade of civility and unity. Blow winds blow....
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Uh, anyone who's been following the recent shenanigans in academe. Or, for that matter, the antics of the White House/Department of Justice.
these are the average poll results as of today.
Clinton vs Trump======Clinton wins by 5.4%
Sanders vs Trump==== Sanders wins by 13.1%
If the DNC wants to WIN the White House and Supreme Court, pick Sanders
If the DNC wants to GAMBLE...then go ahead and roll the dice with Hillary...
This is too important to GAMBLE..for Gods sake......
Clinton vs Trump======Clinton wins by 5.4%
Sanders vs Trump==== Sanders wins by 13.1%
If the DNC wants to WIN the White House and Supreme Court, pick Sanders
If the DNC wants to GAMBLE...then go ahead and roll the dice with Hillary...
This is too important to GAMBLE..for Gods sake......
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The republicans haven't even began to touch Sanders and there's a reason why. The republicans would much rather have Sanders as the nominee than Clinton. Sanders is on record as saying he want to raise taxes - on EVERYONE, including the middle class. If Bernie were the nominee the republicans would run attack ads on that one statement alone from now until the day of the election. Trump will eat Sanders alive.
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Republicans have been campaigning against Clinton for 25 years, and she's still ahead. Notice how quiet they are about Bernie. Why do you think that is? Is it because they respect him so much and secretly believe he would be good for the country?
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How is winning by 5.4% not winning ?
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Bernie can no longer write off disruptive behavior (euphemism for subversion) by his supporters, or deliberate sabotage by his campaign staff, as virtuous political passion. Let's call it what is is 1) a egocentric cynical campaign seeking more $$$ from small donors, but no longer committed to ideals it propounds, 2) sour grapes and bitterness, and 3) moral fecklessness and a lack of leadership. With each passing day, Bernie is losing the high ground he once held and is revealing himself to be nothing but another money grubbing politician. If he hates the Dem party so much, why not form his own? Ogtherwise, play by rules, and accept the verdict of 3 million+ voters who did not choose him, but Hillary instead. Anything else is cowardice, hypocrisy, and wilful nihilism. Donald Trump and Karl Rove are now Bernie's best allies!
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I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary here in New York and now have buyers remorse. I take some consolation in the fact that Sanders won my county. One of these candidates is authentic, principled, passionate, and transparent. The other calculated, insincere, and beholden. It appears that Clinton is going to be the candidate, but I think she is in grave danger of losing to someone who has put a trance on America. Indeed, a terrible choice that awaits us.
Lastly, this election cycle has exposed the rotten underbelly of the establishment - political parties, politicians, and the media alike. Putting all emotion regarding any specific candidate aside, it has never been so crystal clear that the mainstream press has an agenda that it pushes every minute of every day. It is unfair and utterly biased. We need to stand up as Americans and demand better.
Lastly, this election cycle has exposed the rotten underbelly of the establishment - political parties, politicians, and the media alike. Putting all emotion regarding any specific candidate aside, it has never been so crystal clear that the mainstream press has an agenda that it pushes every minute of every day. It is unfair and utterly biased. We need to stand up as Americans and demand better.
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Sanders swamped Clinton in Oregon and lost by 0.3% in Kentucky (which was a closed primary).
Hillary's polling against Trump is frightening for anyone who is concerned about him winning, while Sanders continues to maintain his strength against Trump. Meanwhile, the expected 'desertion' of Republicans from Trump just isn't happening as the establishment Democrats and their pundits gleefully predicted. And this is before any determination from the FBI has been made and publicized.
Sanders has shown that his message has an appeal far beyond the shrinking "New" Democrat" coalition which has abandoned the New Deal policies that focused on economic justice and social security. His foreign polciy position are much more in synch than Hillary's neocon-leaning hawkish views. Sanders is the future of the Democratic Party - if there's to be one.
Sanders will stay in the race as Clinton did in 2008. She put her campaign "on hold" almost a week after the last contest against Obama despite her losses and insufficient delegates to win. Any call for Sanders to drop out now is nothing but hypocrisy.
Hillary's polling against Trump is frightening for anyone who is concerned about him winning, while Sanders continues to maintain his strength against Trump. Meanwhile, the expected 'desertion' of Republicans from Trump just isn't happening as the establishment Democrats and their pundits gleefully predicted. And this is before any determination from the FBI has been made and publicized.
Sanders has shown that his message has an appeal far beyond the shrinking "New" Democrat" coalition which has abandoned the New Deal policies that focused on economic justice and social security. His foreign polciy position are much more in synch than Hillary's neocon-leaning hawkish views. Sanders is the future of the Democratic Party - if there's to be one.
Sanders will stay in the race as Clinton did in 2008. She put her campaign "on hold" almost a week after the last contest against Obama despite her losses and insufficient delegates to win. Any call for Sanders to drop out now is nothing but hypocrisy.
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Aaahhh, the Republican trolls are out in force, busily pumping up the Recommends on comments saying "If not Bernie, I'm staying home" or "If not Bernie I'll vote for Trump." I wouldn't even be surprised if several -- not all -- such comments are themselves the work of trolls. The top Readers Picks are likely the top Republican Picks. The number of Recommends should almost always be ignored, no matter what the article is about. They are largely a way for partisans to manipulate the appearance of support for something.
I draw my conclusions regarding trolls from patterns I perceive, primarily changes. For instance, articles about the Ukraine draw few comments, few Recommends and, likely, few readers. Unless Russia is mentioned in a negative light. Then, suddenly, if you look at the comments, you would think the American people were as interested in the Ukraine as in the Super Bowl, and that America was as much a cause of the Russian invasion of the Crimea as it was a cause of its own invasion of Iraq.
My "solution" to the troll problem is simple: though I, too, note the number of Recommends, the total should be ignored when it is about anything remotely controversial. As to Times Picks, we should remember the criteria the Times uses, which is not excellent analysis or well-written. I try (naturally not always successfully) to evaluate a comment solely on its content and even there remaining skeptical of unsupported claims.
I draw my conclusions regarding trolls from patterns I perceive, primarily changes. For instance, articles about the Ukraine draw few comments, few Recommends and, likely, few readers. Unless Russia is mentioned in a negative light. Then, suddenly, if you look at the comments, you would think the American people were as interested in the Ukraine as in the Super Bowl, and that America was as much a cause of the Russian invasion of the Crimea as it was a cause of its own invasion of Iraq.
My "solution" to the troll problem is simple: though I, too, note the number of Recommends, the total should be ignored when it is about anything remotely controversial. As to Times Picks, we should remember the criteria the Times uses, which is not excellent analysis or well-written. I try (naturally not always successfully) to evaluate a comment solely on its content and even there remaining skeptical of unsupported claims.
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It's time for Sanders' supporters to wake up and smell the coffee. Sanders cannot get from here to there mathematically. The system is broken, but handing the general election to Trump in a beautifully gift-wrapped take down of HRC not only is not going to fix the system, but is going to destroy this country. Included in the path of destruction will be the young women defined as still having reproductive capabilities) who will find themselves unable to obtain abortions, affordable women's health care, insurance-covered birth control and more. The reality is that at this point, the choice, like it or not, is between Trump and HRC. Is HRC a flawed candidate? Perhaps. Is a President HRC preferable to a President Trump? Do we even need to ask this question?? I really fear the path that that Sanders and his supporters are taking us down and hope that we won't be saying "I told you so" to those who so blindly support this man (rightly or wrongly) when a Sanders victory is simpley not in the cards.
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I woke up and smelled the coffee, then I drank it, then sent Bernie another $27. And since you asked, no, I don't consider Clinton 2.0 preferable to President Trump. Quite the opposite.
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We hear far too much about Sanders and Clinton, the Candidates. I believe Senator Sanders wins supporters by trying to send a POLICY message to the Democratic Party and hopefully, to the Clinton Administration. Working people (unemployed people, marginalized people of whatever denomination) feel left out and have been left out of a fair chance in economic and social terms. The Clintons are famous for 'Triangulation', working the angles to get a deal. Hilary has yet to put her pro-Wall Street image behind her and honestly embrace the message from the Sanders voters. It is an important message for the Democrats. Why is Mrs. Clinton so reluctant to make it a part of her campaign and the upcoming government.
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Apparently the voters of Indiana, W VA, KY and OR didn't get the e-mail Clinton is to be the nominee. Wake up Dems and listen
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But the voters in over twenty other states -- by a margin of more than three million -- apparently did.
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This is a fight for the heart and soul of Democratic Party.
Will it continue to be "Bush Lite" represented by the Clintonites and their "practical" embracement of status quo politics and policy with incremental advancement of the "progressive" agenda and "tweaking" current policy to "fix" Obama's legacy with a hawk as Commander and Chief.
Or will the liberals finally kick the moderates and DINO(s) to the curb with a coalition of young enthusiastic millennials back-up by older Democratic voters who realize the Clintonites don't represent their best interest or any interest, other than their own insistent need for power.
HRC is a very flawed candidate, even she admits this. Sanders cannot win. The Donald is lurking in the background with a nightmare scenario fast approaching for the Republic.
Quality Democrats like Warren, Biden and Franken ran away rather than wrestle with the three headed hydra monster that is the Clintons with their corrupt foundation and email server.
Bernie took the mantle and did extremely well. Now the Clintonites want an Etch & Sketch moment as if 45% of the Party who do not want her near the Oval Office, let alone getting us into another war, do not exist? Pathetic!
The politics of gender, claiming victory when its too close to call, Goldman Sachs, the email server, embracing Republican fund raising, her failure to promote basic liberal values is not pragmatism, it's betrayal.
I cannot in good conscience vote for this woman.
Will it continue to be "Bush Lite" represented by the Clintonites and their "practical" embracement of status quo politics and policy with incremental advancement of the "progressive" agenda and "tweaking" current policy to "fix" Obama's legacy with a hawk as Commander and Chief.
Or will the liberals finally kick the moderates and DINO(s) to the curb with a coalition of young enthusiastic millennials back-up by older Democratic voters who realize the Clintonites don't represent their best interest or any interest, other than their own insistent need for power.
HRC is a very flawed candidate, even she admits this. Sanders cannot win. The Donald is lurking in the background with a nightmare scenario fast approaching for the Republic.
Quality Democrats like Warren, Biden and Franken ran away rather than wrestle with the three headed hydra monster that is the Clintons with their corrupt foundation and email server.
Bernie took the mantle and did extremely well. Now the Clintonites want an Etch & Sketch moment as if 45% of the Party who do not want her near the Oval Office, let alone getting us into another war, do not exist? Pathetic!
The politics of gender, claiming victory when its too close to call, Goldman Sachs, the email server, embracing Republican fund raising, her failure to promote basic liberal values is not pragmatism, it's betrayal.
I cannot in good conscience vote for this woman.
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Too close to call? So a three-million vote lead is close? How about the apparently more than forty-five per cent of Democrats who do want Clinton over Sanders. Should they, the larger percentage of Democratic voters be ignored as if they do not exist?
Throwing chairs and yelling 'Unfair!' is no more a political plan than yelling 'Revolution!' is.
Throwing chairs and yelling 'Unfair!' is no more a political plan than yelling 'Revolution!' is.
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Clinton insisted she was a progressive during the debates. And now, without batting and eye, she is courting Republicans and has announced she will put Bill ("I gotta pay our bills") Clinton in charge of "fixing" the economy. If for no other reason, Sanders should remain in the primary race. Otherwise, the voices of those who share his values and those who are profoundly saddened, concerned, frightened, and angered by the "complete subversion of our political system" will be silenced. Is silencing people really what Democratic Party leaders and those who support Clinton want?
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EVERY Democratic nominee courts Republicans and EVERY Republican nominee courts Democrats.
If she weren't courting centrist Republicans who may find Trump lacking, she'd be a poor choice as a candidate.
Sanders would go after disaffected GOP voters too -- although I doubt he'd get many.
There aren't enough voters on the far left or the far right to win a national election. In the primaries, candidates play to the edges and run back towards the centre for the general.
If she weren't courting centrist Republicans who may find Trump lacking, she'd be a poor choice as a candidate.
Sanders would go after disaffected GOP voters too -- although I doubt he'd get many.
There aren't enough voters on the far left or the far right to win a national election. In the primaries, candidates play to the edges and run back towards the centre for the general.
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So when Clinton claimed she was a progressive she was "playing to the edges?" Evidently. One would think that now, before the primaries are over, might be a good time for Clinton to court Sanders supporters, but clearly, their votes are not valued by Clinton much less the DNC. She'll "play" to whomever she needs to, no doubt.
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NYT didn’t print my comment. So I’ll abbreviate it: Slanders Sanders is a fraud. He’s an ideologue who hasn’t made a huge impact in the 40 years he’s had a chance. These wins (Oregon is a leftist state and it wasn’t a landslide) are coming largely from white males -- and no big surprise that there is violence coming with them. The anger at the woman candidate is a much louder message than even Sanders’ own yelling. Sorry, but Sanders et al is destructive.
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Bernie has become a divisive figure. He is divisive not because he stays in the race. Instead it is because he projects a bitterness which is catching on with his supporters. What began as a vision difference has devolved into anger, recrimination and hatred. This is a bad end to idealism.
Bernie owes it to the kids to find a soft landing so that ideals don't end in rage. There are other ways to move forward, whatever the delegate count, that can impact the election and the future. Bernie is at risk of both diminishing his message and his followers. If Bernie is a great leader, he needs to seek and strike a new tone now. Surprise us, Bernie. Strike a pose...
It makes no difference if you're black or white
If you're a boy or a girl
...Bernie help us save the world.
Bernie owes it to the kids to find a soft landing so that ideals don't end in rage. There are other ways to move forward, whatever the delegate count, that can impact the election and the future. Bernie is at risk of both diminishing his message and his followers. If Bernie is a great leader, he needs to seek and strike a new tone now. Surprise us, Bernie. Strike a pose...
It makes no difference if you're black or white
If you're a boy or a girl
...Bernie help us save the world.
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I am delighted that Senator Sanders is in it until the end, because the minute he were to leave the race, Mrs. Clinton would be free to swing back to the right (She would say "the center".) and become the triangulating, calculating, tin-eared, slightly lying candidate that she proved to be against Barack Obama.
The real problem with the Democratic Party may be personified by Mrs. Clinton, but the rot goes much deeper. It has, quite simply, become the "Republican Lite" party. I have no interest in supporting such an entity. It must either go back to its genuinely liberal (NOT progressive!) roots, or I'll find a new party to join.
Hear me, DNC. I don't think I'm alone in this. I'll bet there are millions more who share my views.
The real problem with the Democratic Party may be personified by Mrs. Clinton, but the rot goes much deeper. It has, quite simply, become the "Republican Lite" party. I have no interest in supporting such an entity. It must either go back to its genuinely liberal (NOT progressive!) roots, or I'll find a new party to join.
Hear me, DNC. I don't think I'm alone in this. I'll bet there are millions more who share my views.
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You have heard there have been state primaries, haven't you? The DNC doesn't pick the nominee, the delegates that come out of the primary process do.
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I just don't trust him.
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I just don't trust her.
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Reading the comments, you can get a pretty accurate prediction of what will happen in November.
The Sanders supporters, convinced they have been cheated and ignored -- and unwilling to accept anyone other than Sanders as the nominee -- will stay home They're like kids who can't get 100 percent of their way, so they're taking their ball and leaving.
Meanwhile, the Republicans -- who have no where else to go -- will rally to their irresponsible, egomaniac nominee. He'll get lots of support from the Republican Party leadership, which isn't surprising. The Republican Party has long placed its love of power above any consideration for the national interest.
In a race between fractured Democrats versus unified Republicans, the outcome can only be a Republican victory. Really, we're that close to putting an ill-informed, mean-spirited real estate developer with absolutely no experience into the White House.
I fear for the future of the country, and for my kid's future. This situation really seems hopeless.
The Sanders supporters, convinced they have been cheated and ignored -- and unwilling to accept anyone other than Sanders as the nominee -- will stay home They're like kids who can't get 100 percent of their way, so they're taking their ball and leaving.
Meanwhile, the Republicans -- who have no where else to go -- will rally to their irresponsible, egomaniac nominee. He'll get lots of support from the Republican Party leadership, which isn't surprising. The Republican Party has long placed its love of power above any consideration for the national interest.
In a race between fractured Democrats versus unified Republicans, the outcome can only be a Republican victory. Really, we're that close to putting an ill-informed, mean-spirited real estate developer with absolutely no experience into the White House.
I fear for the future of the country, and for my kid's future. This situation really seems hopeless.
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Bernie Sanders dares to call for a government that works for ALL Americans.
The "haves" say that this is crazy talk and irresponsible.
At this time, the "haves" are in charge of deciding if this will change. History shows us how this will turn out.
Once you give people more than their share, they are very unlikely to allow any change.
In their view, survival of the fittest is much more desirable than a sustem that works fairly for everyone - at least as long as they are the fittest.
The "haves" say that this is crazy talk and irresponsible.
At this time, the "haves" are in charge of deciding if this will change. History shows us how this will turn out.
Once you give people more than their share, they are very unlikely to allow any change.
In their view, survival of the fittest is much more desirable than a sustem that works fairly for everyone - at least as long as they are the fittest.
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If ever there was a year in which a third-party candidate could win...
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Call me a dreamer, but I envisage a coalition of disgruntled Sanders supporters and TRUMP diehards, since both groups complain of the same things, and which, in a word ,is marginalization by the establishments of both parties. Based on the recent brawl in Nevada,it appears that the bitterness of Sanders's supporters, egged on by Bernie, has created a chasm so deep that unifying around HRC at the convention is chimerical.Many of Sanders's supporters will stay home or cast a protest vote for Trump, and perhaps, just perhaps, help to put DT, who is not w/o his faults, in the White House. HRC is held in such disfavor by a majority of the electorate that even her supporters are hard pressed to say anything positive about her personality, her compassion for others, or her likability, because she without any of these virtues. All they find to talk about is the delegate count and the bribes in terms of committeeships they can offer Sanders. To his credit, he is having none of it.
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"...DT, who is not without his faults..." You mean like Benito, Joseph, and Adolph, who were not without their faults?
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In my case you would be right. Although I loathed the Clintons and would never, ever have voted for Billary long before Bernie came on the scene.
1
I have had my fill of Bernie, the Bern, and the infighting. I will check back in when he finally realizes the bitter truth, he won't be the nominee, and he begins fighting the real beast, Trump.
9
Bernie has succumbed to the angry old white man syndrome. This is more about him getting his way than anything else.
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Bernie has become a Trump enabler. His pie in the sky platform appeals to the disenfranchised and economically oppressed voters. He has done more damage to Hillary than Trump ever will do. Both Trump and Bernie would have you believe that the US under Bill Clinton and Barack Obama was a total disaster with no progress for the lower class and millennials. Instead of praising the achievements of these two presidents and the health of the economy under both, Bernie talks like it is time for a Bolshevik revolution due to oppression by the wealthy and misery of the lower classes. Trump and Bernie should campaign together in California as the no-nothing duo.
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Very surprised that in all this chatter that the name "Ralph Nader" has not come up.
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In a rush to judgment, the media reported that it was Sanders supporters who recorded obscene comments and even made a death threat against Nevada Democratic chair Roberta Lange. The recorded comments, in their crudeness and misogyny, simply do not sound like those of any of the Sanders supporters I have known, or seen on television. Rather, they sound like the voices of provocateurs tasked to discredit the Sanders campaign. An analogous stunt was pulled against the Sanders campaign several months ago when it was alleged his campaign had illegally accessed Clinton campaign data, and it turned out that the chief perpetrator had recently worked for Clinton campaign. The facts of this latest incident must be investigated further. I am very suspicious of the "official" story.
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It's a classic 'False Flag' operation. The same tactics used against occupy Wallstreet and countless political movements around the world. The media plays as big of a role as anybody else in promoting the perpatrators.
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And your theory would have it that the red faced imbeciles I watched hurling insults and worse at the Nevada caucus meeting with Barbara Boxer were all plants too? Sorry, that pig won't fly, Caleb, from Illinois.
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You want the "official story"??
Look at the AP (Associated Press) website.
News wires don't lie.
Look at the AP (Associated Press) website.
News wires don't lie.
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Our time-delay method of having months of successive primaries is needlessly prolonging the vitriol. Plus, it likely skews the results because of all the polls and their predictions, the media spin, combined ed with all the attacks and propaganda from the various constituents.
Why not have all the primaries on the same day?
Why not have all the primaries on the same day?
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One major item this primary shows, HRC is vulnerable. In point of fact she is a flawed candidate running off of her spouses reputation. She'll win it but will she carry the free thinkers? They won't go to Trump but they might go third party.
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Old Bernie is "a flawed candidate running" on HIS spouse's reputation. Dangerous "Doctor" Jane Sanders has quite a reputation, now that the college she ran off the cliff has closed.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/what-happened-at-bur...
Old Bernie and "Doctor" Jane are alike in many ways, including the lust for glory at any cost to their enablers.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/what-happened-at-bur...
Old Bernie and "Doctor" Jane are alike in many ways, including the lust for glory at any cost to their enablers.
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Good man Bernie!
And keep sending your wife on Fox News to trash Hillary and the evil DNC to Neil Cavuto.
Fox News thanks you for whatever quotes they can cherry pick to roll out against Hillary in the Fall.
They predictably won't have a positive campaign of support for Trump. That would be too much in the gutter even for Fox News.
So they'll spend all their time talking about why Hillary wears the Sign of the Beast on her forehead, and they'll support the meme with quotes from your wife, and, hey, maybe even you!
And keep sending your wife on Fox News to trash Hillary and the evil DNC to Neil Cavuto.
Fox News thanks you for whatever quotes they can cherry pick to roll out against Hillary in the Fall.
They predictably won't have a positive campaign of support for Trump. That would be too much in the gutter even for Fox News.
So they'll spend all their time talking about why Hillary wears the Sign of the Beast on her forehead, and they'll support the meme with quotes from your wife, and, hey, maybe even you!
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Has the perpetually snide Cavuto asked Bernie's wife why she got fired from her job and why the Sanders refuse to release their tax returns?
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The national metapolling by Real Clear Politics now shows Sanders beating Trump by nearly 3 times the margin from Clinton v. Trump, up from twice the margin recently. Especially alarming is that Clinton actually loses to Trump in some polls, while Sanders decisively beats him in all polls. Dems would be crazy to go with Hilary.
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Even though I disagree with you, since your opinion is based on baseless polls, it would be entertaining to see the Republican candidate trumpet the information the oppo researchers have dug up on Old Bernie and "Doctor" Jane.
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As has been said by others: 1) national polls are meaningless until October; 2) the GOP has not even started to try to tear living-in-his-protected-Democratic/Socialist-cocoon Bernie to shreds, and they've been (unsuccessfully) trying to do that to battle-hardened Hillary for 25 years; 3) Hillary has received 3 million more votes than Bernie, and 2 million more than Trump. I could go on.
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Your belief in polls is misplaced. They are notoriously inefficient.
And no. "Dems" would not be crazy to go with the only Democrat running on the ticket.
At this point, what's most alarming about Sanders is his supporters.
Check out the video in Nevada.
Not good.
And no. "Dems" would not be crazy to go with the only Democrat running on the ticket.
At this point, what's most alarming about Sanders is his supporters.
Check out the video in Nevada.
Not good.
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The Sanders supporter comments and no-support supplied claims have more spin on them than Bill Murray put on his bowling ball in the movie Kingpin. And that is being charitable. Its beginning to sound flat out hysterical. It should scare us. It does for me.
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Jump in Late: Sanders is an outright fraud and ego maniac. He believes his own press and might be wise to the fact that his is an old man far over the hill and expiry date. His Robin hood values are antiquated and impossible. He is mean, mean-spirited and cranky. He should go whittle sticks on the porch of some log cabin in the NE woods.
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I recall reading all the articles in this paper that the Republican party would be devastated and split apart if Trump became the nominee. I was always suspicious because the Republicans, whether elites, establishment, or evangelicals, are nothing if not amoral when it comes to advancing their own interests. Thus there is no surprise that it is the Democratic Party that is splitting apart, tearing our leading candidate down, and embittering the followers of the other candidate, who now vow not to vote for Mrs. Clinton should she win the nomination. I smell disaster for the Democrats in November. This is all too typical of the Democratic Party. In local elections, we've been outmaneuvered and out-gerrymandered. In an important presidential election year, I see it happening on a national scale. The balance on the Supreme Court is in jeopardy for the foreseeable future.
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There is a nasty streak running through the Sanders campaign, that is the truth. Senator Sanders has done little to tamp it down. In fact, he stokes it. He isn't a Democrat and doesn't feel any responsibility to the party. At this point, he doesn't have a path to victory. This idea of continuing to run just to gain leverage at the convention doesn't strengthen the party platform, it makes it vulnerable to the coming onslaught of Republican attacks. When Trump becomes President, lets remember Senator Sander's scorched earth tactics.
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Very biased reporting when it comes to Hillary vs. Bernie; so interesting that the NYT keeps wanting to bury Bernie instead of remaining neutral. The Democratic party desperately needs Bernie, either as the nominee or at least the VP to have any hope against Trump (who really just represents the anti-establishment vote)
Jeb Bush was polling 13% to Trump's 11% in 6/30/2015 and look what happened to him. People want real change this year (regardless of the cost unfortunately); Hillary, like Jeb, represent the "good old days" and "legacy politics" and the outcome will be similar unless Bernie is somehow involved in a significant way.
Not happy about the possibility of paying higher taxes but I would rather the US model move closer to Sweden than Argentina.
Jeb Bush was polling 13% to Trump's 11% in 6/30/2015 and look what happened to him. People want real change this year (regardless of the cost unfortunately); Hillary, like Jeb, represent the "good old days" and "legacy politics" and the outcome will be similar unless Bernie is somehow involved in a significant way.
Not happy about the possibility of paying higher taxes but I would rather the US model move closer to Sweden than Argentina.
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Funny for all the Sanders comments saying the Times prejudices the public -it has been the Sanders backers who have alienated me in the extreme.
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I wonder how Sanders supporters would be acting, talking, reaching out if the votes and delegates won were reversed. Would that all be down to dirty tricks? Would they be looking to consolidate? I hope so. Would Clinton people be happy to just stir the pot and stay home? I hope not. Joke it up if you must: Having a complete and utter fool for President (and for much of the world) is what we are facing.
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Sanders supporters are not rooted in any kind of solid reality. They are a generation who get most of what they need for free. Download music for free, watch Netflix for free. They are the "I've got my friend's password" generation, and Bernie is the "Hey man, just use my password!" candidate.
Separately, as I've said before, I can easily see Trump attracting Sanders supporters in the general election.
Let's face it, both Trump and Sanders supporters will take "angry and independent" over "boring and establishment" every second of every day. It's really that simple.
Separately, as I've said before, I can easily see Trump attracting Sanders supporters in the general election.
Let's face it, both Trump and Sanders supporters will take "angry and independent" over "boring and establishment" every second of every day. It's really that simple.
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You know nothing about Sanders's supporters.
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Sanders' chances in a general election rest upon the premise that, somewhere out there, there is a bloc of of 50-60 million people who will vote socialist in a general election. Of course, theses socialists have not asserted their will thus far, as they have in the last 30 years won no Governorships, never run a serious Presidential contender, and hold no seats in congress other than Sanders' own. Yet his supporters seem to believe they are out there, slumbering like some Lovecraftian Elder Raceuntil their favored priest, Bernie Sanders, awakens them to come forth and destroy the established order. I don't buy it.
The reason Sanders does better in the polls is simple: He's seen as a harmless underdog. Who wouldn't say they support Rocky Balboa or Seabiscuit in a phone survey? But when they had to consider living with his policies, including a BIG middle class tax hike, his his numbers would sink like the Titanic, and his campaign would go up like the Hindenburg, throwing fiery ruin across all the down-ballot races.
The reason Sanders does better in the polls is simple: He's seen as a harmless underdog. Who wouldn't say they support Rocky Balboa or Seabiscuit in a phone survey? But when they had to consider living with his policies, including a BIG middle class tax hike, his his numbers would sink like the Titanic, and his campaign would go up like the Hindenburg, throwing fiery ruin across all the down-ballot races.
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I like Bernie, and I like Hillary. This concept that Hillary is not honest was manufactured by Clinton-haters long ago. Now it seems that young people simply are not aware of this simple fact. They are buying the right-wing baloney.
The rules of each state's voting process in primaries and caucuses have been well known for a long time. For Bernie's supporters or Bernie himself to complain about them now is simply absurd.
The final straw for me with regard to Bernie is his ridiculous recent statements about the super-delegates. He is actually saying that even if Hillary wins the pledged delegates, the super-delegates should switch to him since he is more electable. This makes Bernie an out and out liar.
The idea that Bernie has a better shot at Trump because some polls say that now is just plain stupid. Those polls are meaningless since Bernie would be subject to a right-wing onslaught like none ever witnessed in US history. Hillary has already been through this fire, repeatedly. Bernie has not. Therefore, those polls are totally bogus.
Wake up Bernie supporters! Do you want to hand the presidency to Donald Trump? If you turn the convention into a version of 1968, that's what we will get. And, Richard Nixon looks like Abraham Lincoln compared with Trump.
The rules of each state's voting process in primaries and caucuses have been well known for a long time. For Bernie's supporters or Bernie himself to complain about them now is simply absurd.
The final straw for me with regard to Bernie is his ridiculous recent statements about the super-delegates. He is actually saying that even if Hillary wins the pledged delegates, the super-delegates should switch to him since he is more electable. This makes Bernie an out and out liar.
The idea that Bernie has a better shot at Trump because some polls say that now is just plain stupid. Those polls are meaningless since Bernie would be subject to a right-wing onslaught like none ever witnessed in US history. Hillary has already been through this fire, repeatedly. Bernie has not. Therefore, those polls are totally bogus.
Wake up Bernie supporters! Do you want to hand the presidency to Donald Trump? If you turn the convention into a version of 1968, that's what we will get. And, Richard Nixon looks like Abraham Lincoln compared with Trump.
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But I think that too many realized too late that to vote in the New York Primary, they would have had to have made a change last October.
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The DNC can be blamed when DT wins the general election. HRC was ordained by the DNC, Wall Street, and the oligarchs . Don't blame us Bernie supporters. Thank you Oregon and Kentucky . California, we are counting on you.
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and also by the voters, regarding ordaining HRC.
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The Bernie people crack me up.
Free college.
Single payer health care
Free child care
Paid family leave
The justification: they do this in Europe. Yet, Europe doesn't have Mississippi, does it? It doesn't have rural Georgia and eastern Montana, places with very large and wide open spaces where poor people live.
Bernie will never be able to finance these projects without raising taxes astronomically on people who live in a middle-class environment and who go to work everyday. And Trump will easily make this case if Bernie is the nominee.
And one thing that I find absolutely disheartening: the Democrats eat their own. Is Hillary perfect? Of course not. But she is smart and pragmatic and has good ideas for the country. She will beat Trump in a somewhat close race.
Free college.
Single payer health care
Free child care
Paid family leave
The justification: they do this in Europe. Yet, Europe doesn't have Mississippi, does it? It doesn't have rural Georgia and eastern Montana, places with very large and wide open spaces where poor people live.
Bernie will never be able to finance these projects without raising taxes astronomically on people who live in a middle-class environment and who go to work everyday. And Trump will easily make this case if Bernie is the nominee.
And one thing that I find absolutely disheartening: the Democrats eat their own. Is Hillary perfect? Of course not. But she is smart and pragmatic and has good ideas for the country. She will beat Trump in a somewhat close race.
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Maybe these are long term dreams, but it's time to start pursuing dreams instead of settling for mediocrity.
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"... a person could say one bad thing and everybody remembers it, and she can say 10 good things and nobody remembers that”
Shakespeare: "The evil men do lives after them; the good is interred with their bones." Women too, evidently.
But the evil side of HRC's ledger is well known; what's the good? The Clinton Foundation?
And regarding Slick Willie--she should remember the old bumper stickers during her time--"Impeach the president; get her husband out of the White House too."
Shakespeare: "The evil men do lives after them; the good is interred with their bones." Women too, evidently.
But the evil side of HRC's ledger is well known; what's the good? The Clinton Foundation?
And regarding Slick Willie--she should remember the old bumper stickers during her time--"Impeach the president; get her husband out of the White House too."
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Clinton was slaughtered by Sanders in Oregon, and the Kentucky primary is a statistical tie. Hardly a ringing endorsement for Hillary in the bluegrass state. Hillary will lose California, and when that happens her campaign will go into full fledged panic mode. The Democrat convention is going to be one hell of a mess, and it couldn't happen to a more deserving party.
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Sanders has no real chance and he knows it. All he can do is threaten to bring Hillary down through a third party run or a hugely divisive 1968 style Democratic Convention. You know, the convention that put Richard Nixon in the White House.
It appears that Sanders is much more like Trump than anyone knew. He is looking more like a narcissist that cares more about his own ego than he does about avoiding a right wing coup.
If the battle is lost to the Republicans there will be no way to end Citizen's United and stop the flow of the dark money into local elections that has bought many GOP-controlled state legislatures, congressmen and governors; no way to stop the Supreme Court-assisted assault on voters' rights; no way to put an end to systematic and highly effective Republican REDMAP gerrymandering engineered by Karl Rove.
And Sanders seemed like such a nice guy who cared about his country. Live and learn
It appears that Sanders is much more like Trump than anyone knew. He is looking more like a narcissist that cares more about his own ego than he does about avoiding a right wing coup.
If the battle is lost to the Republicans there will be no way to end Citizen's United and stop the flow of the dark money into local elections that has bought many GOP-controlled state legislatures, congressmen and governors; no way to stop the Supreme Court-assisted assault on voters' rights; no way to put an end to systematic and highly effective Republican REDMAP gerrymandering engineered by Karl Rove.
And Sanders seemed like such a nice guy who cared about his country. Live and learn
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Sanders is behaving like Sherman, burning his way through California in the next couple of weeks. His nasty remarks about the DNC last night endanger his relationship with Congressional Democrats who are not likely to line up for him at the convention. He's demanding that the DNC and Hillary line up under his banner, forgetting that she has won more votes, has more delegates and is the only Democrat in the race for our nominee. He needs to slip into reality.
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I'm not sure if my sentiment is shared by many "Democrats". I really hope that Sanders will go away soon and I don't want Hillary to lean any further to the left.
I don't want the country to be more divisive than it already is. I want things done, moving forward, not grid locked. No $15/hr "Federal" "minimum" wage (The NY standard is not applicable national wide), no single payer healthcare system (please improve on Obamacare don't giving in what we already achieved), no increasing benefit of Social Security (it needs reform, not more draining), no free handouts. Those are irresponsible slogans and not pragmatic policies. The Danes make their welfare state not by taxing the rich. Wake up.
I do want Hillary to address the issues about the stagnant middle class incomes as contrast to the huge gains in the upper class over the past 2 decades or so. Pay attention to our public education systems, from pre-K to college, not giving up.
I don't want the country to be more divisive than it already is. I want things done, moving forward, not grid locked. No $15/hr "Federal" "minimum" wage (The NY standard is not applicable national wide), no single payer healthcare system (please improve on Obamacare don't giving in what we already achieved), no increasing benefit of Social Security (it needs reform, not more draining), no free handouts. Those are irresponsible slogans and not pragmatic policies. The Danes make their welfare state not by taxing the rich. Wake up.
I do want Hillary to address the issues about the stagnant middle class incomes as contrast to the huge gains in the upper class over the past 2 decades or so. Pay attention to our public education systems, from pre-K to college, not giving up.
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After all these years, I still have no idea what Hilary Clinton stands for or what she believes in. And the more I listen to her, the worse it gets.
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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/bio/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us/politics/how-hillary-clinton-went-u...
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us/politics/how-hillary-clinton-went-u...
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i know exactly what she stands for\
herself and money
herself and money
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I've really lost a lot of respect for Bernie Sanders over these last weeks. He's more and more sounding like just another political demagogue and my politics are to the left of Bernie. What's especially disheartening are the many Bernie supporters who say if Bernie doesn't get the nomination they'll vote for Trump, which reminds me once more how politics can make us stupid when we get too caught up grasping for the illusion of "power."
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What possible reason would there be that the NYT did not cover the shooting into a Sander's campaign office and the ransacking of an apartment complex in which Sanders campaign workers were housed in Nevada ???
Sanders stated clearly that he is opposed to violent action. I haven't read this in the NYT, either. Will this news outlet actually allow this election cycle to break into violence, possibly someone in the Sander's campaign getting shot, to slant news in favor of the DNC and the Clinton campaign ???
The emails sent, no excuse. But the lack of clarifying coverage to promote the Clinton campaign absolutely beyond irresponsible.
Sanders stated clearly that he is opposed to violent action. I haven't read this in the NYT, either. Will this news outlet actually allow this election cycle to break into violence, possibly someone in the Sander's campaign getting shot, to slant news in favor of the DNC and the Clinton campaign ???
The emails sent, no excuse. But the lack of clarifying coverage to promote the Clinton campaign absolutely beyond irresponsible.
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Why is no one talking about the elephant in the room? Hillary is under investigation by the FBI, and now there's more coming out about the Clinton Foundation being a slush fund and not even a legal charity! Obviously, Bernie is not only a far more exciting candidate, he's the only one who should be being considered! If Hillary had any decency, she wouldn't run under the specter of possible indictment! What the hell is the DNC thinking? Or are they all bought and paid for by the several billion dollars MISSING from the State Department, and the many more billion dollars that the CGI has taken in? NY Times, cover the truth for once!
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Clinton should have resigned shortly a few days after Monica Lewinsky hit the news. The Clinton have no shame about their misdeeds and never allow the discovery of them to interfere with their plots for power and glory. (Somebody above was quoting Shakespeare. It put me in mind of the Macbeth family. )
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The Republican leadership think the problem is Donald Trump. The Democratic leadership think the problem is Bernie Sanders. They are both wrong. In both cases it is the leadership that has lost touch with the people who used to be the backbone of their respective parties.
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Bernie won a state! ...In which the total number of voters to cast ballots for all candidates will be less than Hillary Clinton's margin of victory over Bernie Sanders in Florida.
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Sorry NYT---the coronation will be delayed.
Indefinitely
Indefinitely
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@Lisa Fremont
Everyone knows what the real delay is...
Bernie's ego
Everyone knows what the real delay is...
Bernie's ego
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It's interesting how toxic the Sanders' campaign and supporters have gotten all of a sudden since the Republicans haven't had much to do lately as they have their candidate.
Much is made about how Sanders overwhelmingly wins the Independent vote when it has been stated numerous times in the past that most Independents lean Republican.
I don't think Sanders has the support he and his supporters think. This is all about discrediting Hillary Clinton. She is the only one that scares the Republicans and they know it.
Bernie is not winning and Hillary is not a weak candidate. This is all about the Republicans trying to create a reality that doesn't exist since Hillary is the only one that can beat them. They would destroy Sanders in five minutes.
Much is made about how Sanders overwhelmingly wins the Independent vote when it has been stated numerous times in the past that most Independents lean Republican.
I don't think Sanders has the support he and his supporters think. This is all about discrediting Hillary Clinton. She is the only one that scares the Republicans and they know it.
Bernie is not winning and Hillary is not a weak candidate. This is all about the Republicans trying to create a reality that doesn't exist since Hillary is the only one that can beat them. They would destroy Sanders in five minutes.
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The losers are out in force today, puking their bitterness and bile all over the Democratic nominee who won the most delegates and popular votes by crushing the misogynic egomaniac with the comb-forward. Rancid Sanders and his brat cult are pathetic to the max.
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It's attitudes like that that will NOT win Sanders supporters over to Clinton.
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What are you talking about?? -- Sanders supporters are all going to vote for Trump anyway!!!
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I have long disliked Hillary but I fear the damage Bernie can do if he doesn't drop out after the primaries. Remember Ralph Nader?
As for the presumptive candidate across the aisle, the more I hear about him and his many flip-flops, the more I think about Gertrude Stein's remark about her California home town: "There's no there there"!
In the long run, I'll have to stick with Hillary and hope for the best!
As for the presumptive candidate across the aisle, the more I hear about him and his many flip-flops, the more I think about Gertrude Stein's remark about her California home town: "There's no there there"!
In the long run, I'll have to stick with Hillary and hope for the best!
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Re: Your article on Oregon and Kentucky results. As a former resident of Oregon I have to ask - what is Oregon, chopped liver? Why not provide as much in-depth coverage of my former state as you do the Kentucky results? Is it pro-Hillary bias or anti-West coast prejudice? Or the three hour time difference? Jes wondering....
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Oregon is strictly mail in voting. I would imagine that not all of those mail in votes have been received or counted yet. But being from Oregon you know this, or should have known this...
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Isn't Oregon somewhere up north of California?
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People who voted for Sanders are not going to vote for Trump in the general, they are trying to send a message to Clinton and I hope she is listening.
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This past week, Hillary Clinton -- who may be the first woman president -- has announced that she will have her husband revitalize the economy.
"Oh, honey, please fix the economy. I don't know how and you're such a big, strong man."
Yeah, right -- she is a real trailblazer for women. Not.
I'm with Bernie!!!
"Oh, honey, please fix the economy. I don't know how and you're such a big, strong man."
Yeah, right -- she is a real trailblazer for women. Not.
I'm with Bernie!!!
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Bill Clinton was president for some of the best economics years of the last century. He would be an asset. Frankly, If the economy improves I don't care if Bugs Bunny is responsible.
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She is the kind of woman who lets her husband womanize and sleep around, very progressive in her views of marriage. My daughter gags at the thought of Bill Clinton.
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I gag too, and I'm no fan of either of them, but "She is the kind of woman who lets her husband womanize and sleep around" reeks of misogynistic judgment.
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SHE declares victory? She alone?
It certainly makes her appear a liar and a fool - and a very desperate woman.
Methinks she has to wait until the Election Board officially rules on the final count.
Disclaimer: I dislike her, Sanders, Trump, and Cruz.
It certainly makes her appear a liar and a fool - and a very desperate woman.
Methinks she has to wait until the Election Board officially rules on the final count.
Disclaimer: I dislike her, Sanders, Trump, and Cruz.
At this rate, progressives and many democrats are disgusted with their party leadership (someone please cut off Debbie Wassermann Schultz's mic). With the constant reminder of "Clinton's insurmountable lead," Bernie Sander's supporters are now being taken for granted. Hillary Clinton and DNC has tried again and again to pivot to the general election as if independents, progressives, and millennials will vote for her in fear of Trump. It seems that people are tired of just "surviving" the previous presidencies of Bush 1, Bush 2, and Obama. Having a democrat or republican president seems to make little difference these days. I hear many are saying "Will one term of Trump kill us?"
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Oh my God, that nasal drone of Sanders, whining and moaning on and on, has become as grating to the ear as Trump's shrieking blunderbusses. The more I see of Sanders the more I pray this old coot would head back to the Green Mountains and leave us be.
However, I am well aware that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. His incessant revolution spiel has captivated an enormous mob of zombie-like zealots ready to resort to acts of violence if need be, much like the working class grunts of Trump's chumps. This mayhem is what occurs when you've got an apathetic public who knows little to nothing about their government and how the political process operates.
Of course they are outraged. Who wouldn't be. They chose to be completely ignorant all these years, living comfortably numb, while the world passes them by, lacking basic knowledge of a Civics 101 class. Now they wake up and are horrified.
What happened? The mess they unknowingly created by their choice to be apathetic has consequences, that's what happened. Now, they are clueless why their protests of a "rigged" establishment are met with disbelief by we who have been engaged in politics. Where have you been?
Oh and by the way, most of you will abandon politics once your dream candidate fails. It's what happen to disgruntled "revolutionaries". Take a look back at the Sixties. See how much that tumultuous decade changed America, for better and worse.
DD
Manhattan
DD
Manhattan
However, I am well aware that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. His incessant revolution spiel has captivated an enormous mob of zombie-like zealots ready to resort to acts of violence if need be, much like the working class grunts of Trump's chumps. This mayhem is what occurs when you've got an apathetic public who knows little to nothing about their government and how the political process operates.
Of course they are outraged. Who wouldn't be. They chose to be completely ignorant all these years, living comfortably numb, while the world passes them by, lacking basic knowledge of a Civics 101 class. Now they wake up and are horrified.
What happened? The mess they unknowingly created by their choice to be apathetic has consequences, that's what happened. Now, they are clueless why their protests of a "rigged" establishment are met with disbelief by we who have been engaged in politics. Where have you been?
Oh and by the way, most of you will abandon politics once your dream candidate fails. It's what happen to disgruntled "revolutionaries". Take a look back at the Sixties. See how much that tumultuous decade changed America, for better and worse.
DD
Manhattan
DD
Manhattan
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Something strange has happened with the Berns. They seem to have changed from a positive, selfless and good-natured movement in its beginnings to now a negative, militant and belligerent sectarian group, opposing and attacking anyone who they consider doesn't "Feel the Bern."
We are still a country of 319 million -- rich, poor, white, black, straight, gay, etc. The next POTUS needs to consider, work with and lead all of us. Nothing good will come from a revolution of a few who think are better than the rest. Beware: that's how many revolutions become dictatorships...
We are still a country of 319 million -- rich, poor, white, black, straight, gay, etc. The next POTUS needs to consider, work with and lead all of us. Nothing good will come from a revolution of a few who think are better than the rest. Beware: that's how many revolutions become dictatorships...
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They have been infiltrated by Trump supporters. it was actually very easy to get them to switch - they hate so bad.
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Remember the Chicago Eight? Sentiments as a result of feeling short-changed tend to boil over. The 1968 DNC was not a happy gathering either.
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"Nothing good will come from a revolution of a few who think are better than the rest."
How true. Isn't that exactly what has taken place during the Obama presidency?
How true. Isn't that exactly what has taken place during the Obama presidency?
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A year ago, Hillary seemed like the obvious choice for Democrats to resume control of the White House. Plenty of experience and seemingly unopposed. Heck, she's even lived in the White House! But, lo, you have to campaign to win the Presidency. And, Hillary is one of the worst campaigners around. Eight years ago she ran against Obama, a seemingly inexperienced African-American with no chance to win. After her lousy campaign, she managed to lose. This time, she is running against a fairly radical, 74 year old socialist who, a year ago, was given zero chance of even winning one state. Instead, not counting super-delegates, he is giving Hillary a run for her money. Although I think she'll win the primary, I think her lack of campaigning skills will be problematic when she runs against the Republican forces.
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Actually, not counting super delegates, the race is still over. She has a huge, almost insurmountable, lead in pledged delegates based on votes. She also has over 3 million more votes. She's won.
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Nevada 2016=Chicago 1968.
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Except the Sanders scwacuses whiners weren't hosed and beaten by Daly's police, and they weren't arrested. No. Instead they got to disrupt a meeting and whine that their petition wasn't published. Come on. Proportionality please.
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The ignorance on here is astounding. From virtually Day 1, the media touted Bernie as "unelectable" while prejudicing the entire process by calculating superdelegates (i.e., establishment politicians scared of a Sanders insurgence) as part of the overall delegate count.
To argue anything relating to Clinton's popular vote lead and/or pledged and superdelegate lead without acknowledging the inherent bias and sway such posturing contributes to skewing the entire process within the rigged system merely adds incendiary fuel to the Sanders' campaign fire.
As it should.
To argue anything relating to Clinton's popular vote lead and/or pledged and superdelegate lead without acknowledging the inherent bias and sway such posturing contributes to skewing the entire process within the rigged system merely adds incendiary fuel to the Sanders' campaign fire.
As it should.
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I think everyone knows she is smart enough and has the experience to be President, but I do not think she would make a good President. More than any President in my memory, she simply can't connect with the most voters and citizens and this is an important characteristic for a President.
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Yeah, 'W' connected with folks, and that's all he did. How'd what work out?
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Its amazing how Dems can shoot their own foot. In 2000, they let an outsider Nader infiltrate, convince some Dems to vote against their own party and elect Bush. In 2016, they are letting an outsider infiltrate, convince Dems to vote against their own party and elect Trump.
Only took 16 years for them to forget their history lesson.
Only took 16 years for them to forget their history lesson.
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Sniveling isn't particularly attractive on anyone but for a presidential candidate, it's even more so. Bernie knew the rules when he signed up. He's coming off as self centered and less than honest.
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Bernie? Your tax returns - 2002-2013? I'm waiting. Why give Trump another false equivalency argument to hide behind?
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Things need to be put into perspective here:
When the choices are Clinton or Sanders - that is like choosing a vacation destination of either Hawaii or Australia, BOTH choices are fine, no losers there...
But if its Clinton or Trump, it would be analogous to the vacation choices being Hawaii or Syria....The former is fine, but the latter would be terrifying...
If the prospect of a Trump presidency does not scare the daylights out of you, then you must be in a coma...
When the choices are Clinton or Sanders - that is like choosing a vacation destination of either Hawaii or Australia, BOTH choices are fine, no losers there...
But if its Clinton or Trump, it would be analogous to the vacation choices being Hawaii or Syria....The former is fine, but the latter would be terrifying...
If the prospect of a Trump presidency does not scare the daylights out of you, then you must be in a coma...
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The Sanders' Perspective:
The more you hurl abuse at them, the more they will join your side. Is Sacher-Masoch a paid consultant of the Bernie campaign?
The more you hurl abuse at them, the more they will join your side. Is Sacher-Masoch a paid consultant of the Bernie campaign?
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Funny, I thought it was the Clinton perspective.
Sanders has made it clear he is no Gandhi or MLK. At the recent Nevada convention some of Sanders supporters reacted to proposed rule changes they perceived as a threat to Sanders' candidacy by throwing chairs and other violent acts. Sanders' failed to explicitly condemn their actions. So what would his position be on waterboarding of terrorists who were suspected of threatening national security? The resemblance of Sanders to Trump is scary.
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Sanders was OK with Castro throwing gays in jail. It was to control the counter revolutionaries.
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Oh please, enough hyperbole. Yes what happened was wrong, but being blown way out of proportion by the Hillary people.
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Tony sounds desperate
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Big thanks to fellow Oregonians who voted for Bernie. Onward, California!
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Onward and over the clift into the Pacific, perfect
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@mike, was that supposed to be a "vote for Hillary" pitch? If so, then it needs some serious work.
I wonder if Sanders has ever considered moving to France and trying to straighten up their socialist society. Given his supporters behavior in Nevada and the behavior of the anti 1% people, he had a good warm-up for France. If successful he could then take on Cuba or Venezuela. I doubt he would ever be able to make the US a socialist country but the Democrats won't seem to be satisfied until all countries are socialist.
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Does it trouble you at all that Clinton's strongest support is in the South? Maybe she should try governing Mississippi or Alabama where she seems to fit in much better.
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If Bill Clinton really wins this thing her running mate should be Alan Greenspan. You know what I'm saying?
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Two things Ill bet my life on:
1) Hillary will lose to Trump because she doesn't even believe her alleged convictions; and
2) NYTimes will never get a penny from me because it has failed to cover the Democratic campaign without a glaring bias for Hill.
Good bye, and good night.
1) Hillary will lose to Trump because she doesn't even believe her alleged convictions; and
2) NYTimes will never get a penny from me because it has failed to cover the Democratic campaign without a glaring bias for Hill.
Good bye, and good night.
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If there is one thing the Republican Party has been able to rely on over the years, it is the inability for Democrats to think strategically about electoral politics and vote accordingly, in presidential campaigns and for Congressional seats. Democrats do not seem up to the task of taking the long view about the choices they make. Yes, Hillary Clinton is not warm and fuzzy -- but she is a fine candidate; no Bernie Sanders is not a knight on a white horse; and, no, Mr. Sanders will not win the nomination -- even though he, too, is a fine candidate.
It is now time for Democrats to get real: they need a presumptive nominee to engage Donald Trump, right now. Everything else is secondary. Democrats like to think of themselves as smart, open, and liberal but cannot seem to remember the havoc Ralph Nader imposed back in 2000. There is no time to lose. Let's get to it.
It is now time for Democrats to get real: they need a presumptive nominee to engage Donald Trump, right now. Everything else is secondary. Democrats like to think of themselves as smart, open, and liberal but cannot seem to remember the havoc Ralph Nader imposed back in 2000. There is no time to lose. Let's get to it.
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DEMOCRATS Must come together and focus on defeating Trump. Bernie is turning out show his true colors--a windbag who's very impressed with himself. He is become more self-referential rather than being focused on what is good for the country. The patriotic thing for him to do would be to meet with Hillary, tell her how he thinks she could improve and graciously give her his delegates. Unifying the Democratic party is of the utmost importance for national security. Seeing what an ignoramus and incompetent a President Trump would be is an open invitation to our enemies to attack us on all fronts. Beyond that, the Democrats must work together toward a clean sweep so that Congress can again be functional and the stranglehold the GOP extremist ideologues have on the nation will broken. Berne is acting as if he assumes the role of the Democratic mascot, a mule: Stubborn and unreasonable. He must put the needs of the nation ahead of his speeding train that's long ago gone off the tracks. I think that some of his ideas have validity, but Bernie, rather than what the nation needs, has acted in the Trump mold, becoming more self-referential than addressing the urgent problems that threaten the future security and wellbeing of the nation. He must also address the aggression of those who attend his rallies. Shouting and threats will not rebuild the nation. It takes calm and mutual respect to begin the onerous job of repairing the severe damage done by the GOP. Be a Patriot!
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Re those anonymous "death threats," my money is on those actually issuing from Clinton supporters posing as Sanders backers. There is no floor on the depths to which desperate Clintonites will descend.
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Those were Trump people. "Founding Fathers" ?
Are you kidding me.
In fact, you're probably a Trump person - there is no floor to the depths to which Trump people will stoop.
Are you kidding me.
In fact, you're probably a Trump person - there is no floor to the depths to which Trump people will stoop.
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Yeah, Portia, and those were Clinton Plants throwing chairs and abuse at Barbara Boxer. Come, come, paranoia provides its own rationale for its inherent stupidity. Columbia University Richard Hofsteader described your trope exactly about fifty years ago. Paranoid Politics - Sanders and Trump flip sides of the same wooden nickel.
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No, I'm a Sanders supporter, but nice predictable ad hominem attack from a Clinton supporter. Keep it up. I'm also a female lawyer, who like Clinton, is a graduate of an elite law school, though a GenEx not a boomer. My demo rarely shows up in the polls, but believe me, based on discussions I have had over the past several months with other JD and MBA females in the DMV, your gal is in trouble.
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For a little while now I've been considering Bernie. But, after what happened in Nevada and his refusing to denounce the threats, intimidation and violence that occurred, there is no way I'll go for him. There is no difference between Trump supporters and Sanders supporters--both appear to be groups of bullies. If this is Sanders' method of handling challenges to his position, he is no more fit for the White House than Trump. As far as I can tell, there is only one adult in this election, and I will be voting for her because she will be the Democratic nominee.
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People keep saying that Bernie needs to get out to help Hillary, that, if not, he needs to do more about the situation over the weekend in Nevada, and if not, that he needs to give a full-throated endorsement to Hillary after the CA primary to bring the party together. What these people don't seem to understand is that there are plenty of us who aren't going to vote for Hillary in November no matter what, that we were never going to and we still aren't going to. This is about Hillary herself, not Bernie, not Bernie staying in, not anything about Nevada, not anything Bernie can do now or ever. This isn't about Bernie. It's about Hillary and how we don't want her for President. Nothing is going to change that because she isn't going to change; she can't change or she would have. If she wants the party united, then there's only one thing she can do or could have done. She could have not run again; she could get out now. Or she can stay in and lose, which she will. And then hopefully the Clintons will go home and stop bothering everyone year after year. If they won't go home, then they'll be sent home. Either way, many of us are going to sit home in November and watch and not care one way of the other if Trump wins. And this is being said by a life long Democrat, daughter of two life long Democrats and the sibling of live long Democrats who feel just like I do and the wife of a life long Democrat who feels just like I do. We don't like Hillary. End of discussion.
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Beth I have tracked your NC posts for months, you are a Trump shill.
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Well 12 million of your countrymen and women have voted for Clinton. Voting is a responsibility of a citizen.
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The arrogance of some of you is stunning. Your candidate is involved in something called an election - more of us like HER. You don't need to understand that - it is what it is. And quit with your threats of not voting for her - most left-leaning people are not that stupid. I thought one had to be 18 to vote - you sound like a child.
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Disaffected Sanders voters could swarm to Trump in November. Throughout history, we've seen coalitions between the far right and the far left that have thrust unlikely politicians into national prominence. Europe in the last century is full of examples...beware!
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More likely they'll write in Bernie or vote Green.
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And they'll end up with Trump....
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"His continued strength has put a spotlight on her vulnerabilities as she heads toward a likely general election matchup with Mr. Trump..." But, says the NY Times, never mind, get Bernie out of the race asap, and vote Clinton anyway??
I wish the Democratic Party would stop acting like the Republican Party. My party right or wrong, and loyalty (think Hastert Rule) to party but not the well-being of the people and country may be the modus operandi or the GOP but these principles are not the coin of the democratic realm.
This is primary election time--may the best woman or man win, so that man or woman can beat the Disgraceful Donald and the Destructive Republicans in November. Maybe Hillary does have the DNC presidential nomination sewed up--delegate counts and big money-wise--but for heaven's sake, let the voters weigh in and have a say in the rest of primaries.
Heavy votes for Bernie communicates what lots of people want in this country: reign in the banks, jobs, no TPP, no neocons and endless wars, and a Fair Deal instead of a Raw Deal from politicians and political parties.
The big message from this primary election is that both entrenched political parties are way out of touch with voters and too complacent and corrupt to care.
I wish the Democratic Party would stop acting like the Republican Party. My party right or wrong, and loyalty (think Hastert Rule) to party but not the well-being of the people and country may be the modus operandi or the GOP but these principles are not the coin of the democratic realm.
This is primary election time--may the best woman or man win, so that man or woman can beat the Disgraceful Donald and the Destructive Republicans in November. Maybe Hillary does have the DNC presidential nomination sewed up--delegate counts and big money-wise--but for heaven's sake, let the voters weigh in and have a say in the rest of primaries.
Heavy votes for Bernie communicates what lots of people want in this country: reign in the banks, jobs, no TPP, no neocons and endless wars, and a Fair Deal instead of a Raw Deal from politicians and political parties.
The big message from this primary election is that both entrenched political parties are way out of touch with voters and too complacent and corrupt to care.
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Kentucky's primary on May 17 was a closed primary, meaning that only registered Democrats could vote for Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Sanders. Others could not vote. The closeness of the vote clearly calls into question how Mrs. Clinton would have fared if all interested voters in Kentucky were able to chose between the two. Mrs. Clinton's performance in 2016 pales when compared to her 2008 results. She has obviously lost considerable support from registered Democrats in Kentucky. Adding independents who would likely vote Democrat in the general election might well have given Mr. Sanders a clear and, perhaps, overwhelming victory.
Mr. Sanders is right to stay in the hunt. Mrs. Clinton is in serious trouble. Mr. Sanders definitely has the momentum, while Mrs. Clinton is in a decline, possibly a very steep decline. Once the DNC comes to grips with that, it may well see a way to get to Mr. Sanders.
While not very much is being said about it at the moment, Mr. Bill Clinton's emerging role in a future Hillary Clinton administration is going to be problematic as well. The DNC needs to clarify this quickly as it may not want to have to take on the baggage of a HillBilly administration in the general election, and there most certainly would be an issue about that were Mrs. Clinton the nominee.
The convention is going to be very interesting and the place where this all gets sorted out.
Mr. Sanders is right to stay in the hunt. Mrs. Clinton is in serious trouble. Mr. Sanders definitely has the momentum, while Mrs. Clinton is in a decline, possibly a very steep decline. Once the DNC comes to grips with that, it may well see a way to get to Mr. Sanders.
While not very much is being said about it at the moment, Mr. Bill Clinton's emerging role in a future Hillary Clinton administration is going to be problematic as well. The DNC needs to clarify this quickly as it may not want to have to take on the baggage of a HillBilly administration in the general election, and there most certainly would be an issue about that were Mrs. Clinton the nominee.
The convention is going to be very interesting and the place where this all gets sorted out.
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Why should Republicans choose the Democratic nominee ?
You listen to the media too much - she's not in trouble at all.
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Remember Kim Davis? Yeah, she's a registered Kentucky Democrat. In Kentucky, 2016, "Democrat" doesn't always mean what you think it means.
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Bernie Sanders is lucky he will not get the nomination, at which time more of his real background and personality would be revealed. He's no Democrat, so I don't feel bad pointing out that he's a career politician who never held down a job until he was finally elected to something, and he's never done anything else since. After 30+ years in office, his accomplishments are relatively scant and he's made few true allies as he's skipped from one office to another in a very small, weird little state in which many people who with whom he's had close professional contact dislike him in more ways than one. From getting booted off a hippy commune to writing downright bizarre, far-flung leftist conspiracy rants while in his mid-30s, to his wife's questionable dealings and his own refusal to release tax returns, there is no shortage of dirt to dig up on this guy. It's all waiting in files at RNC, but it will never come out, and Sanders should be glad.
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ALL TAXPAYERS SUBSIDIZE these state primaries. Yet, we are not at all well represented in these primaries. The entire process is a systemic failure that serves the elite.
All I can hope for is that Bernie Sanders stays in the race and keeps fighting. Otherwise, it will be a Trump candidacy. Clinton doesn't have a prayer against Trump.
All I can hope for is that Bernie Sanders stays in the race and keeps fighting. Otherwise, it will be a Trump candidacy. Clinton doesn't have a prayer against Trump.
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It is very uncertain if Clinton can defeat a reality show star. That is not a strong candidate. Neither she nor the party elites have a clue as to the mood of the nation while Sanders and Trump do. She is in real danger of losing Ohio and we know what that probably means. I will vote for Jill Stein of the Greens rather than an aggressive foreign policy hawk who is in the pocket of Wall Street. If Trump wins, so be it.
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What part of "she has more votes and more pledged delegates" do Bernie fans not understand? Yes, he has won states. He is not winning the race for the nomination. Can you imagine if he was actually ahead and HRC supporters were making these arguments?
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Bernie Sanders Wins Oregon; Hillary Clinton Declares Victory in Kentucky. That's because more voters/people who want a President Bernie Sanders than there are Stuper- Deligates. A Democracy or a joke of a Democracy?
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And you'll be here in two months telling us all why the super delegates should anoint Bernie
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Debbie Wasserman-Schultz should resign. She is just a stooge of the Clinton family. Who wants more of Bill running our country? Now their daughter is also getting into their power grab. Only Sanders has the ability to defeat Trump. The US has very serious problems with income equality, health care and a dysfunctional education system. The Clintons with their outmoded methods will not solve anything. Let's give Bernie a chance to turn things around.
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Republican political operatives say that the remarkable Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton, one of the most admired women in the world, isn't "likable". Does anyone else remember the day she resigned as Secretary of State and all the staff in the department lined up to cheer her and shake her hand? THAT is what I call a likable, effective leader. Perhaps she is actually TOO likable for republicans? They try to make lies out of truth every time. I like her and admire her courage and experience and SHE has my vote.
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Saying that people were polite to her when she was leaving office does not mean she was a leader or respected. It means the people in that office were professional and polite. Does not prove a thing.
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Yeah, the New York Times falsely reported a story on Donald Trump this past weekend (past relationships), misrepresented the Nevada incident and today, this is actually wrong, I am reading elsewhere this morning, that Sanders might have actually won Kentucky, but I suppose we're splitting hairs right now. Sanders did in fact win Nevada, despite whatever absurd method of accounting was used.
I've got to say, the New York Times has become nothing more than a pathetic tabloid. Their writers are suspiciously incorrect on 9/10th of what they post. There was a headline, yes an actual headline on the front page top left of the New York Times yesterday asking which target ad painting Trump as a misogynist was most effective. Last time I saw childish behavior like this is freshman year in high school.
It's a bad time for establishment Democrats right now.
I've got to say, the New York Times has become nothing more than a pathetic tabloid. Their writers are suspiciously incorrect on 9/10th of what they post. There was a headline, yes an actual headline on the front page top left of the New York Times yesterday asking which target ad painting Trump as a misogynist was most effective. Last time I saw childish behavior like this is freshman year in high school.
It's a bad time for establishment Democrats right now.
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NYC- why don't you sign ''John Barron'' anymore?
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People speak of Bernie as dividing the party ...like another Ralph Nader?? Ralph Nader wished he had this much support and energy behind him. Most voters today have never even heard of Ralph Nader. Bernie stands alone..as he reaches out and spreads his message. He speaks of issues that the middle class believes in. I do believe that the system is rigged for Hillary's benefit...Bernie has not been recognized as a serious candidate by the Clinton run Democratic Party....and Hillary has all the support of the establishment behind her. Old ideas.. presented by the same Washington insiders promoting them . And the media. All of the wealth of this country behind her. "Follow the money!"
I support Bernie!! I will never vote for Hillary. I'll vote for the other anti Washington candidate. Not Hillary...and her baggage! A vote for Trump??? Yes... a vote for Trump!!
I support Bernie!! I will never vote for Hillary. I'll vote for the other anti Washington candidate. Not Hillary...and her baggage! A vote for Trump??? Yes... a vote for Trump!!
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Can you please tell us what is Hillary's baggage?
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Hillary can declare whatever she wants (Unicorn!!!), but Dems win delegates, not states, and with a difference of .4%, she walked away with the same number of Delegates as Bernie.
The woman is unhinged.
She cannot possibly be Napoleon; I Am NAPOLEON!
Besides, her French accent is terrible...
The woman is unhinged.
She cannot possibly be Napoleon; I Am NAPOLEON!
Besides, her French accent is terrible...
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I was leaning towards Bernie Sanders up until the past couple of weeks, but it appears now that he wants the Presidency so much he will risk fracturing the Democratic party. I like some of what Sanders says, but with over a $19 trillion national debt they hardly seem realistic. My concern now is that his followers are making Trump a stronger candidate and the Democratic party needs to be united to defeat him. This is not just one political philosophy against another it's really the future of our country that is at stake and I will be against anyone that helps Trump get elected.
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The Democratic Party is already fractured, and it's not Bernie's fault. He's helped expose its weaknesses that were already there.
Once again, let all states vote in the primary and let him participate in the convention and have his voice heard in the platform.
Once again, let all states vote in the primary and let him participate in the convention and have his voice heard in the platform.
Sanders' wins don't mean a thing. Short version of NYT coverage.
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Tosia-the Times is being kind or they would point out that Oregon was expected to be a blow out for Sanders - 10 point spread or great. Instead it was a squeaker. To make a delegate gain of any significance he would have had to have won 70% or more.
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So we are going to get another Democrat running for and probably winning the White House again. The prior Clinton (the first "black" President ) really did nothing that was positive for African Americans except probably keeping the GOP out of the WH. They buckled under on Health care and mounted vicious attacks upon blacks in the so called criminal justice area. Recent apologies have fixed nothing.
We have seen the recent acquiescence of the phenotypically black congress knuckle under unashamedly while people across the aisle launched and supported undisguised racist attacks on President Obama, his family and others. The CBC is 90% Black! They have also been taking contributions from tobacco, alcohol, Big Pharm and others while they fiddle as black people die from abuse of these products. I remember one of these photographed on a beach in the Caribbean, lounging on a deck chair with guts hanging out. Their trip was paid for by Sir Allen Stanford (now serving a few decades in a Florida prison) who was trying to buy his way past some US laws.
Why not Bernie? He has been steady on his issues for longer than Clinton's been waffling. No Black experience? I can deal with that. A whole lot of them who claim that expertise have ripped me off for too long. Many are just made of straw. Ethics and morality trump such self professed experience. Bernie's support and performance will change the Dems for the better. Remember Fannie Lou Hamer? 2017 President Trump? Could be.
We have seen the recent acquiescence of the phenotypically black congress knuckle under unashamedly while people across the aisle launched and supported undisguised racist attacks on President Obama, his family and others. The CBC is 90% Black! They have also been taking contributions from tobacco, alcohol, Big Pharm and others while they fiddle as black people die from abuse of these products. I remember one of these photographed on a beach in the Caribbean, lounging on a deck chair with guts hanging out. Their trip was paid for by Sir Allen Stanford (now serving a few decades in a Florida prison) who was trying to buy his way past some US laws.
Why not Bernie? He has been steady on his issues for longer than Clinton's been waffling. No Black experience? I can deal with that. A whole lot of them who claim that expertise have ripped me off for too long. Many are just made of straw. Ethics and morality trump such self professed experience. Bernie's support and performance will change the Dems for the better. Remember Fannie Lou Hamer? 2017 President Trump? Could be.
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Bernie will not be the Democratic nominee for president yet no individual in America will more determine who ultimately wins the election. Last night he gave a fiery speech accusing the Democratic Party of stealing the nomination from him. "THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED in Hillary's favor" he has yelled from the rafters. Yes, just as it was rigged against upstart Barack Obama in 2008 when Hillary was the 'presumptive' nominee. But Obama beat the machine because he had a crack advisory team that knew how to navigate the arcane rules of each individual primary or caucus to secure the most delegates.
So, Bernie, if you're going to complain about the how corrupt the Democratic primary process is, reflect on how a black man with only a fraction of your experience in the US Senate accomplished what you could not. And he did it without whining once about how stacked the odds against him were.
So, Bernie, if you're going to complain about the how corrupt the Democratic primary process is, reflect on how a black man with only a fraction of your experience in the US Senate accomplished what you could not. And he did it without whining once about how stacked the odds against him were.
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While I am no fan of Trump while seeing what happened in Nevada I wonder whether his supporters were right when they accused the Sanders supporters of instigating the ruckus at the Trump event a while back.
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At this point I honestly don't know who I'm voting for in November, but I'm sure glad of my secret ballot that means I don't have to tell anyone. #NeverTrump and all that, but...it's not that she's a corporatist. It's not that I think she's corrupt. I think she's a nakedly ambitious politician who calculates her opinions based on public opinion, but that doesn't make her different from a lot of others.
But she's a foreign policy interventionist and a hawk and I will not support that. I can't. No more wars. No more conflicts we can't get out of. No more 'We'll be liberators' and disaster. No more ways for ISIS to spread, ones caused by the US.
So don't ask me who I'm voting for. Because I don't know.
But she's a foreign policy interventionist and a hawk and I will not support that. I can't. No more wars. No more conflicts we can't get out of. No more 'We'll be liberators' and disaster. No more ways for ISIS to spread, ones caused by the US.
So don't ask me who I'm voting for. Because I don't know.
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Sanders got close in Kentucky because of the votes of people who think we should go on burning coal, despite all the evidence that this dirty source of energy has lost its economic appeal and threatens the survival of many species on Earth including humans! Hillary Clinton told out of work coal miners the truth; that she would work to find ways to help them by developing alternate means of employment. Isn't that supposedly Sanders' position too? If he has such high principles, why did he not join her as a point of unity? Seems like winning the nomination has become more important to Bernie than integrity.
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What makes anyone think that these threats were made by Sanders supporters? Where is the evidence to back up that claim?
Who is to say that these threats didn't come from Trump or Clinton operatives and trolls?
I smell a rats nest.
"supporters of Mr. Sanders have been enraged by how they were treated at a state convention in Nevada last weekend and directed violent threats at the Democratic chairwoman there."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-a...
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What's remarkable if you spend any time on political forums is the level of hate and contempt that Clinton and Sanders supporters have for each other. I would argue that visceral hatred is greater from the Clinton side, but, then, I support Sanders. So, to be fair, I'll stipulate that it's mutual. (That said, I have to say that the hate and contempt for Sanders is greater from columnists Krugman and Blow, which is disappointing, but, again, maybe that's just me.)
If Clinton is the nominee, the only to unify the party will be to name Sanders as her running mate. I don't doubt that Elizabeth Warren would be one heck of a choice, but Bernie has inspired voters and it would be remarkable to see that continue through the general election campaign.
If Clinton is the nominee, the only to unify the party will be to name Sanders as her running mate. I don't doubt that Elizabeth Warren would be one heck of a choice, but Bernie has inspired voters and it would be remarkable to see that continue through the general election campaign.
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I am tiring of the narrative that Hillary Clinton is not adequately likeable. I don't really care whether she is likable or not. I am electing the president not looking for a gal pal. She has the experience and I trust her judgment about International affairs and her attitude of inclusion towards people of all races, ages and genders Etc. She has received the most votes so apparently I'm not alone. I am even more tired of the rhetoric from the Sanders campaign and now more than rhetoric, actual violence and intimidation. This is not Progressive!
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She isn't trustworthy. Don't use the herd to make your decisions for you. It generally won't be a satisfying result.
Apparently no one in the Bernie camp took math in high school or college. And is it just me or has anyone else noticed that whenever Bernie loses a state, it's always because of the DNC, or polling irregularities, or the media, or the Clinton camp, and not ONCE has Hillary made an excuse for losing a state. Bernie is acting like far too many older white men who feel entitled to getting things their way, and to heck with everyone else. As a democrat the more I listen to Bernie, the less I like about him. I'm tired of him complaining of the way the Democrats run their party when he chose NOT to be a part of the party, until it suited his needs while running for President. He has been in office for over 30 years, why did he wait so long to start his revolution? And where are all the other Democratic Socialists? Shouldn't there be more than just Sanders? It's all over but the shouting for Sanders, and the end couldn't come soon enough.
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It's a bit early to predict what's going to happen in November. The Sanders' side has been attacking Hillary relentlessly. It will be different when the only other choice is Donald Trump.
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Sanders will be goaded into running third party.
He will split the Democratic vote, and Trump will be President with a Hitleresque 36% plurality.
Then he will start wars with Mexico, China, England, Saudi Arabia, and Vietnam, and we will lose. We will be run by the UN for the next 80 years.
He will split the Democratic vote, and Trump will be President with a Hitleresque 36% plurality.
Then he will start wars with Mexico, China, England, Saudi Arabia, and Vietnam, and we will lose. We will be run by the UN for the next 80 years.
I've read a bunch of comments to the effect that those who vote for Clinton in the general election will be held accountable for their abominable choice when Trump wins. I'd say it goes the other way. If Sanders supporters really believe that Trump is a better outcome than Clinton, then it's on you. (I voted for Bernie in the Oregon primary.) Yes, Bernie got screwed left, right and sideways, and the NY Times has acted like a PR wing for Clinton's campaign. But consider the possibility of a Trump presidency before staying home on election day.
as an independent voter i.e. i voted for obama only for his first term/ my order of preference this year is sanders/ trump/ anyone else and then the untrustworthy and less than conpetent clinton
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Good luck
I am tired of hearing about how "energized" Sanders' supporters are. They just seem so, because they are very active on the internet and apparently yell very loud at state conventions. However, the women in my life are all excited by the prospect of HRC. Furthermore, it somewhat defies the imagination that a woman who has worked for 3+ decades to improve U.S.'s healthcare system and achieve universal coverage for all is now some crypto-Republican that has no desire to continue moving towards progressive policy goals. Most analyses of where Clinton falls in the Democratic party shows her to be slightly more liberal than the median member of Congress. These Berners need to come to grips with reality and see who the real enemy to their cause is: Republicans.
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Bernie has lost. He SHOULD be leveraging his strength to impact policy. Instead, he's playing the game as if he's still in the race. This isn't good for anyone except Trump.
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That's his intention, obviously. He wants to destroy Hillary, Democrats, and our country.
He's angry. Berning with anger. The destruction of Hillary, the Democratic Party, and our country will cool his anger.
He's angry. Berning with anger. The destruction of Hillary, the Democratic Party, and our country will cool his anger.
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Graph 5: His continued strength has put a spotlight on her vulnerabilities as she heads toward a likely general election matchup with Mr. Trump, and on a lack of unity, and even fractiousness, within the Democratic Party.
Now edited: His continued strength has put a spotlight on his great appeal to Democratic voters as he has risen from virtual unknown to a serious contender. The Democratic Party should listen to its members concerns, change a number of policies, and avoid a lack of unity, even fractiousness, within the Democratic Party.
Now edited: His continued strength has put a spotlight on his great appeal to Democratic voters as he has risen from virtual unknown to a serious contender. The Democratic Party should listen to its members concerns, change a number of policies, and avoid a lack of unity, even fractiousness, within the Democratic Party.
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The "spotlight" is on Old Bernie now. And on Dangerous "Doctor" Jane.
Their "vulnerabilities" have gotten little or no attention. The Republican oppo research team is well aware of the Sanders' histories, but they have said nothing, since they want/expect Old Bernie's flock to flock to Donald in November.
Hillary is aware of the Sanders' histories, too, of course, but she has said nothing, because she hopes a few of Old Bernie's supporters will vote for her in November. (If they find the energy to go to the polls.)
Their "vulnerabilities" have gotten little or no attention. The Republican oppo research team is well aware of the Sanders' histories, but they have said nothing, since they want/expect Old Bernie's flock to flock to Donald in November.
Hillary is aware of the Sanders' histories, too, of course, but she has said nothing, because she hopes a few of Old Bernie's supporters will vote for her in November. (If they find the energy to go to the polls.)
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I doubt seriously there were ever any death threats in Nevada. Sounds like something David Brock made up. This kind of thing is right down his alley.
The MSM is really pushing hard on Sanders to withdraw prematurely based on all kinds of excuses, doing Clinton's bidding as usual. I certainly hope he resists the pressure. I am sure he will.
The MSM is really pushing hard on Sanders to withdraw prematurely based on all kinds of excuses, doing Clinton's bidding as usual. I certainly hope he resists the pressure. I am sure he will.
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Where will all the Bernie voters go in November? To one of the most secretive, insider deal, slushfund, err foundation, politicians the US has ever seen? HRC will be nominated and will play identity politics by convincing women they are the helpless victims of bullies like Trump. Will the women vote be enough? What will the democrats do when they run out of non-white males to exploit? Oh yeah, they will import new ones.
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UTOPIA: a genuine unification of the democratic party could begin with HRC supporters demanding an investigation into what transpired at the Nevada convention. After all, HRC supporters are absolutely confident that their candidate will bag the nomination, so why not devote energy and time to addressing (dare I say reforming) the imperfections of the DNC starting NOW? That action will not only heal the division in the left but also show that you are capable of separating the chaff (the corrupt DNC) from YOUR WHEAT (HRC).
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The left voice of the Democratic party is too large to ignore. HRC would be smart to cooperate with Sanders and his supporters by offering him a large and influential role in the administration - whatever that may be. There is talk of a third party coming out of this and it may, but not in this election cycle, and as bad as the neoliberals are they are nothing compared to the far right. These two need to start working together fro all our sakes and stop it already. I vowed never to vote for HRC but I would if she woos us and she works with us instead of dismissing us and fighting us tooth and nail all the way. We're simply too large and important to ignore.
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You just have to admire Bernie Sanders' consistency -- he is just as ungracious in victory as he is in defeat.
The Senator CHOSE to run as a Democrat. He knew the rules. If he knew his greatest appeal would be to Independents, he could have run as an Independent, but he needed the Democrat Party's mechanism to get the attention that has driven his campaign. Fine and well, that makes him a very cagey politician, but his argument that, if he somehow makes up a 270-odd pledged delegate deficit, that the Party "super delegates" will come around to him is highly unlikely.
Hillary Clinton has been a Democrat for many years and has supported Democratic candidates and raised millions for the Party and for those candidates. I'm willing to bet that most of the 500+ super delegates that are supporting her owe their status as super delegates in no small part to the efforts and support of the Clintons. Why would they now abandon Hillary? This part of the Sanders strategy seems deeply flawed to me.
The Senator CHOSE to run as a Democrat. He knew the rules. If he knew his greatest appeal would be to Independents, he could have run as an Independent, but he needed the Democrat Party's mechanism to get the attention that has driven his campaign. Fine and well, that makes him a very cagey politician, but his argument that, if he somehow makes up a 270-odd pledged delegate deficit, that the Party "super delegates" will come around to him is highly unlikely.
Hillary Clinton has been a Democrat for many years and has supported Democratic candidates and raised millions for the Party and for those candidates. I'm willing to bet that most of the 500+ super delegates that are supporting her owe their status as super delegates in no small part to the efforts and support of the Clintons. Why would they now abandon Hillary? This part of the Sanders strategy seems deeply flawed to me.
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Hillary claims that Bill would be in charge of the economy if she wins.
Recommend that we are far safer with Bernie's agenda for the middle class.
“Almost two decades removed from the Clinton administration, there is a lot to find distasteful, and Hillary clearly wants to avoid discussing the worst of her husband’s presidency (which, like or not, she played a major role in).
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“The dot-com bubble is the best example of this irrational exuberance. Internet startups that had no source of revenue or any kind of sensible business plan exploded. As in the past, investors collectively lost their minds. At the start of the new millennium, reality crashed the party; and, in the 2001-01 crash, trillions of dollars in investor capital evaporated.
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“ deregulation, repealing Glass-Steagall, which contributed to the rise of too-big-to-fail financial institutions, and signing the Commodity Futures Modernization Act into law, which ensured that the derivatives market that eventually led to the financial crisis was not regulated.
Bubba's Toxic Economic Legacy: When Hillary Brags About the First Clinton Presidency Legacy, She Doesn't Want You to Remember This | Alternet
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bubbas-toxic-economic-legacy-when-...
Recommend that we are far safer with Bernie's agenda for the middle class.
“Almost two decades removed from the Clinton administration, there is a lot to find distasteful, and Hillary clearly wants to avoid discussing the worst of her husband’s presidency (which, like or not, she played a major role in).
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“The dot-com bubble is the best example of this irrational exuberance. Internet startups that had no source of revenue or any kind of sensible business plan exploded. As in the past, investors collectively lost their minds. At the start of the new millennium, reality crashed the party; and, in the 2001-01 crash, trillions of dollars in investor capital evaporated.
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“ deregulation, repealing Glass-Steagall, which contributed to the rise of too-big-to-fail financial institutions, and signing the Commodity Futures Modernization Act into law, which ensured that the derivatives market that eventually led to the financial crisis was not regulated.
Bubba's Toxic Economic Legacy: When Hillary Brags About the First Clinton Presidency Legacy, She Doesn't Want You to Remember This | Alternet
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bubbas-toxic-economic-legacy-when-...
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You left out NAFTA - which destroyed the lumber industry in my county and MFN for China, which continues to trash the iron industry in Minnnesota.
Bernie loses every time he does not win by >40%. The TV channels however need to show a horserace, and therefore cover these primaries as though the win actually matters. Bernie by this metric lost both primaries last night and lost ground. He now needs to win remaining primaries by a larger percentage. The news channels need to stoke interest in the primaries, and therefore breathlessly report every update. The cable channels, especially MSNBC and CNN need the ratings which come by ignoring the reality. They therefore give false hope to Bernie supporters. Both channels are hoping the young Bernie crowd, who have never been interested in politics before, will stick around to bolster ratings. MSNBC last night kept saying Hillary HAS to win Kentucky. Really?? Hayes and Maddow, whom I have followed for years, gave fawning interviews this past week or two to Bernie which were really unpaid commercials. Mika, arguably the most unqualified woman on TV, opined after a harangue by Joe on how corrupt the Democratic primary system is (of course he never mentioned caucuses) that Hillary should just drop out. And CNN was just unwatchable. All this for ratings. And at the expense of truth.
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The Clintons have bought the loyalty of 33 democratic state parties, in the name of Hillary Victory Fund. http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-lo...
They own the democratic establishment, up and down, right and left.
The system is rigged in their favor, blatantly.
They own the democratic establishment, up and down, right and left.
The system is rigged in their favor, blatantly.
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Bernie Senders is so egocentric that he refuses to see that his ridiculous refusal to drop out can only favor the Trump campaign.
Hillary is a formidable woman, she continues to prove that by running two campaigns. The more BS persists, the more I admire Hillary. Bernie Sanders, as a nominee, would be destroyed by Trump's campaign, Trump would stop at nothing, including calling BS a communist, and to be convincing his campaign would prepare TV adds with Bernie Sanders' old interviews where he talks about his admiration for Nicaragua's and Castro's regimes. It would certainly be a disaster for BS and a victory for Trump.
Hillary is a formidable woman, she continues to prove that by running two campaigns. The more BS persists, the more I admire Hillary. Bernie Sanders, as a nominee, would be destroyed by Trump's campaign, Trump would stop at nothing, including calling BS a communist, and to be convincing his campaign would prepare TV adds with Bernie Sanders' old interviews where he talks about his admiration for Nicaragua's and Castro's regimes. It would certainly be a disaster for BS and a victory for Trump.
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Agree that Trump would stop at nothing. It would be interesting to see how he would present the destruction of Burlington College at the hands of Dangerous "Doctor" Jane Sanders.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/what-happened-at-bur...
(Will the calls for investigations into Jane's financial shenanigans get results?)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/what-happened-at-bur...
(Will the calls for investigations into Jane's financial shenanigans get results?)
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Dear Bernie,
Please accept this box of Trump steaks (they're the best--very classy) and Make America Great Again hats (what can I say--I love this great big country, even those idiots who didn't vote for me) with my thanks and gratitude for helping to get me elected. It was yuuuge! I thank my lucky stars every day that you made Hillary look like a lapdog for Goldman Sachs. If it wasn't for you, I'd still be posing as my own PR agent. Now I've got the world's greatest army behind me, not to mention the nuclear launch codes at my fingertips. Bet Rosie O'Donnell and Megyn Kelly will think twice about that! And to think I owe it all to you.
Love,
Donald
Please accept this box of Trump steaks (they're the best--very classy) and Make America Great Again hats (what can I say--I love this great big country, even those idiots who didn't vote for me) with my thanks and gratitude for helping to get me elected. It was yuuuge! I thank my lucky stars every day that you made Hillary look like a lapdog for Goldman Sachs. If it wasn't for you, I'd still be posing as my own PR agent. Now I've got the world's greatest army behind me, not to mention the nuclear launch codes at my fingertips. Bet Rosie O'Donnell and Megyn Kelly will think twice about that! And to think I owe it all to you.
Love,
Donald
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I'm really hoping Bernie stays in there till the end. Maybe something like the Email scandal coming back to bite her and the super-delegates cross over. It's not like it hasn't ever happened. She lost a lot pledged super-delegates to Obama in 2008. Bernie is the only one left in the race that is trustworthy. I will never vote for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump - both are so dishonest.
Hang in there Bernie!!
Hang in there Bernie!!
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Go right to it, Bernie. Damage Hillary. Elect Donald. See what the Democratic Party thinks of you then.
In the, Bernie, you are too far left for a U.S. general election.
In the, Bernie, you are too far left for a U.S. general election.
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"The fury was sparked after a dispute over convention rules and delegate qualifications that supporters of Mr. Sanders saw as unfair."
This is all the article has to say on the subject of the Nevada convention dispute. I have seen no other NY Times article that treats the matter in more depth.
Is the NY Times unwilling or unable to provide substantive information on this issue? Rules and delegate qualifications are essential aspects of a functioning democracy. A populace with no specific knowledge of or appreciation for the workings of democracy will, over time, abandon democratic institutions. Media that devote no attention to this issue promote the trend.
This is all the article has to say on the subject of the Nevada convention dispute. I have seen no other NY Times article that treats the matter in more depth.
Is the NY Times unwilling or unable to provide substantive information on this issue? Rules and delegate qualifications are essential aspects of a functioning democracy. A populace with no specific knowledge of or appreciation for the workings of democracy will, over time, abandon democratic institutions. Media that devote no attention to this issue promote the trend.
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Blaming Bernie Sanders and his supporters for a potential loss in November will backfire.
It reminds me of how congressional Democrats did little more than blame a minority of Republicans for a very weak response to the financial crisis which still leaves us at the edge of the cliff, not getting us closer to a single-payer healthcare law, and not getting immigration reform. Their passiveness gave progressives little reason to vote in 2010.
If the NYT and the rest of Hillary's supporters want the backing of Bernie's supporters, you need to win us over, not demonize us by pointing out a few radicals. There are just too many of us now. Keep in mind that a significant number of registered democrats are actually independents who, over the years (not just this year) only registered so they can vote in closed primaries where they have to pay for it anyway, like in NY (I'm one of them!). Yes, nearly half of our electorate simply doesn't like having to pay for an election system they are shut out of. Bernie has shown a bright light on this convoluted, undemocratic process that favors well-funded party machines and the people are responding.
So if you want our support in Nov, you first need to win us by taking us seriously. Stop the condescension and dismissiveness. Stop the inflammatory innuendo and stereotyping. Stop with the scare tactics that if we don't do as we are told, Donald Trump will become our Hitler. Stop with the nasty 2008 primary tactics. It only fans the fire.
It reminds me of how congressional Democrats did little more than blame a minority of Republicans for a very weak response to the financial crisis which still leaves us at the edge of the cliff, not getting us closer to a single-payer healthcare law, and not getting immigration reform. Their passiveness gave progressives little reason to vote in 2010.
If the NYT and the rest of Hillary's supporters want the backing of Bernie's supporters, you need to win us over, not demonize us by pointing out a few radicals. There are just too many of us now. Keep in mind that a significant number of registered democrats are actually independents who, over the years (not just this year) only registered so they can vote in closed primaries where they have to pay for it anyway, like in NY (I'm one of them!). Yes, nearly half of our electorate simply doesn't like having to pay for an election system they are shut out of. Bernie has shown a bright light on this convoluted, undemocratic process that favors well-funded party machines and the people are responding.
So if you want our support in Nov, you first need to win us by taking us seriously. Stop the condescension and dismissiveness. Stop the inflammatory innuendo and stereotyping. Stop with the scare tactics that if we don't do as we are told, Donald Trump will become our Hitler. Stop with the nasty 2008 primary tactics. It only fans the fire.
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You and the other commenters who are using the same script are unconvincing. Did Revolution Messaging give you that to cut and paste?
Wanting to be "wooed" and "won" is creepy. Base your vote on your own knowledge and convictions, not on what you think invisible strangers on a message board think of you.
Wanting to be "wooed" and "won" is creepy. Base your vote on your own knowledge and convictions, not on what you think invisible strangers on a message board think of you.
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This is difficult to think about, and even more difficult to write out for a national audience.
I am a Real Live Size-and-Weight Progressive. I have already voted absentee in California for Mr. Sanders. I hope he wins here.
HOWEVER, Mrs. Clinton's endless pandering, triangulating, "evolving," greed, and LYING has convinced me, the PROGRESSIVE, that, gulp-choke-gag, Mr. Trump would be the better ("less evil") candidate, between the two of them.
I can't believe I just wrote that. THAT is how bad Hillary is. THAT is the depth of her moral dishonesty that makes it absolutely impossible for me to vote for her, ever, under any circumstances. She is fatally flawed and would be a singular disaster for the country. (Don't even let me begin talking about the Shadow of Slick Willie that haunts this election....) Jill Stein will earn my vote, and I will not think for one second that I am "throwing my vote away."
"For the last one hundred years, our elections have consisted of choosing the lesser of two evils."
––Dick Gregory, San Jose, Calif. 1971.
I am a Real Live Size-and-Weight Progressive. I have already voted absentee in California for Mr. Sanders. I hope he wins here.
HOWEVER, Mrs. Clinton's endless pandering, triangulating, "evolving," greed, and LYING has convinced me, the PROGRESSIVE, that, gulp-choke-gag, Mr. Trump would be the better ("less evil") candidate, between the two of them.
I can't believe I just wrote that. THAT is how bad Hillary is. THAT is the depth of her moral dishonesty that makes it absolutely impossible for me to vote for her, ever, under any circumstances. She is fatally flawed and would be a singular disaster for the country. (Don't even let me begin talking about the Shadow of Slick Willie that haunts this election....) Jill Stein will earn my vote, and I will not think for one second that I am "throwing my vote away."
"For the last one hundred years, our elections have consisted of choosing the lesser of two evils."
––Dick Gregory, San Jose, Calif. 1971.
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No, your gullibility is not the measure of anyone's "depth", just of your own eagerness to believe what the Republicans have taught you.
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I am a Clinton supporter who would not think twice about voting for Sanders against any of the top Republican candidates. To those who believe that Sanders has a much better chance of beating Trump based on current polling, do you really believe the Republicans aren't ever going to attack him? And, once the attacks would start, do you really believe his favorability rate would continue to be this high? You know, the socialist?
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They don't think the Republican oppos research team has found anything in the histories of Old Bernie and Dangerous "Doctor" Jane.
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Of course Hillary would declare Kentucky a victory. Never mind that she leads by a 0.4% margin and that it is a closed primary. And, then again, there is also the DNCs' efforts, in support of the Clinton machine, to knock Sanders off the rosters beforehand. They did this successfully in Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and New York.
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Clinton declares win in Kentucky?
Recount?
Recount?
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Through the course of the Democratic nominating process Hillary Clinton has earned 13,161,916 (55.55%), whereas Bernie Sanders has earned 10,102,294 (42.64%). This contest is simply not close, and has not been close for two months.
Yet many Sanders supporters are convinced that Sanders is the likely nominee. Those more realistic Sanders supporters argue that somehow the nomination was "taken" from Sanders, through some unfair process, media bias, or Hillary Clinton's higher profile prior of the nomination contest.
This is nothing more than a toxic mix of True Believerism and a willingness to adopt conspiracy theories to dismiss reality.
Yet many Sanders supporters are convinced that Sanders is the likely nominee. Those more realistic Sanders supporters argue that somehow the nomination was "taken" from Sanders, through some unfair process, media bias, or Hillary Clinton's higher profile prior of the nomination contest.
This is nothing more than a toxic mix of True Believerism and a willingness to adopt conspiracy theories to dismiss reality.
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Funny how many in the Sanders campaign insist that despite the similarity of Sanders and Donald's Trump's rhetoric about tearing the current political system down to build a new one- as well as the similarity in the sometimes thuggish behavior of their supporters- Sanders continues to insist that, unlike Donald Trump, he only wants to do this to "Save the Democratic Party"? Sanders Quixotic behavior on the campaign trail reminds me of nothing so much as the equally Left Wing Eugene McCarthy's who, after all, only managed to help get Richard Nixon elected President.
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If the Democratic Party doesn't consider and welcome his supporters, they'll lose many who used to vote with them.
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If you are a former First Lady, Former New York Senator, Former Secretary of State who previously ran for President with a Former President working as a surrogate and an overwhelming number of elected members of your party endorsing you, 47% is not winning when you are the "Front runner" and/or the "presumptive nominee" regardless of how you slice it.
Nominate Hillary- get President Trump. She is damaged goods and a poor candidate that the majority of Americans do not trust.
After the nonsense the Clintonites pulled in Nevada over the weekend that still has not been accurately reported in US commercial media, good luck at getting many of the Independents who support Bernie to vote for Evita. In a room full of cops and cameras at an event streamed on Periscope not one video matches the charges leveled by Clinton surrogates and parroted blindly by most of our so-called political journalists. I smell David Brock all over the Nevada claims.
Nominate Hillary- get President Trump. She is damaged goods and a poor candidate that the majority of Americans do not trust.
After the nonsense the Clintonites pulled in Nevada over the weekend that still has not been accurately reported in US commercial media, good luck at getting many of the Independents who support Bernie to vote for Evita. In a room full of cops and cameras at an event streamed on Periscope not one video matches the charges leveled by Clinton surrogates and parroted blindly by most of our so-called political journalists. I smell David Brock all over the Nevada claims.
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I wonder how many independents will say they'll vote for Clinton or plan to but then choose a write-in or Green candidate.
"I smell David Brock all over..."
Like my mother used to say- "It's your upper lip". ha ha
Like my mother used to say- "It's your upper lip". ha ha
I campaigned for, supported and voted for Bernie. I do not think he'll get the nomination. I will absolutely be voting for Hillary. Why? Trump (and his insane racist followers) scare the daylights out of me (hello??? David Duke and the KKK support him?!?!) Anybody who's a Bernie supporter who says they will be voting for Trump if Hillary wins the nomination is saying that from a position of white privilege. A vote for Trump is throwing women and people of color under the bus. The #Bernorbust movement sickens & scares me.
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sanders, like trump, has lost control of his campaign to his more rabid followers
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Bernie Sanders is a socialist, and while there are many noble socialist ideas, equality being primary among them, our country has long embraced the individual entrepreneurial spirit where there are losers and winners. Indeed, just as the Republican party has long hoodwinked the people into thinking the party is for the 99%, Sanders is likewise hoodwinking the people by not really explaining his high tax, big government ideas. He has long leaned far left, only joining the Democratic party last year. The truth is, if he were the Democratic candidate he would be skewered by the Republican machine, which has kept wisely quiet about Sanders as they hope he is the candidate.
Voters who like the message of equality and safety nets would be wise to turn to Clinton. This is the fundamental message of the Democratic party. Indeed, had the Republican party not blocked hundreds of Obama's bills intended to help America, the voters would be able to see the Democratic party in action.
Voters who like the message of equality and safety nets would be wise to turn to Clinton. This is the fundamental message of the Democratic party. Indeed, had the Republican party not blocked hundreds of Obama's bills intended to help America, the voters would be able to see the Democratic party in action.
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The tactics being employed by the DNC may very much cost them the general election. For the price of a small victory for Secretary Clinton in Nevada, the behavior by the DNC powers plus the implied support by most of the media will turn off large numbers of nominal democratic voters across the country.
Something similar happened against the GOP in 2006. The Washington GOP decided to jump into the life of Terry Schiavo to emphasize an ideological viewpoint instead of just allowing them to live their lives. This intrusion into someone's life for political points was so off-putting to many that elections that should have been won by GOP candidates went the other way - at least the senatorial race in Virginia.
The behavior by the DNC and their media supporters is short-sighted and will cause lasting damage.
Something similar happened against the GOP in 2006. The Washington GOP decided to jump into the life of Terry Schiavo to emphasize an ideological viewpoint instead of just allowing them to live their lives. This intrusion into someone's life for political points was so off-putting to many that elections that should have been won by GOP candidates went the other way - at least the senatorial race in Virginia.
The behavior by the DNC and their media supporters is short-sighted and will cause lasting damage.
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If Sec. Clinton is the nominee she will have my vote even though I have serious reservations with her foreign policy. But she has to earn the nomination by consistently defeating Sen. Sanders. It is true that she has more actual votes, considerably more than the Senator, but the nomination process, a process designed to perpetuate its own confusion, discounts that.
Further, when Sec. Clinton is not scripted or in political speak mode she is likable and worthy of respect. But her campaign, including the ads attacking Donald Trump by her Super Pac were woeful. Woeful in not what they said but how they said it. Sen. Sanders is winning primaries and will command a very large block of delegates in the Convention for a reason. Sec. Clinton has not run a particularly effective campaign and has not been the compelling performer on television she can be. The language of her ads and her scripts are the recycled pablum of hundreds of other campaigns. In this tumultuous and worrisome election year, Sec. Clinton needs to rise to the challenge personally and her campaign politically to show the Americans and the world that she can lead and steer the ship of state. A first step is floating additional names for her selection as Vice President. Gov. Jerry Brown, should be looked at seriously. He would not only bring an elevated level of gravitas to the ticket but successfully dismiss Donald Trump's anticipated attacks while easily besting him in the court of public opinion.
Further, when Sec. Clinton is not scripted or in political speak mode she is likable and worthy of respect. But her campaign, including the ads attacking Donald Trump by her Super Pac were woeful. Woeful in not what they said but how they said it. Sen. Sanders is winning primaries and will command a very large block of delegates in the Convention for a reason. Sec. Clinton has not run a particularly effective campaign and has not been the compelling performer on television she can be. The language of her ads and her scripts are the recycled pablum of hundreds of other campaigns. In this tumultuous and worrisome election year, Sec. Clinton needs to rise to the challenge personally and her campaign politically to show the Americans and the world that she can lead and steer the ship of state. A first step is floating additional names for her selection as Vice President. Gov. Jerry Brown, should be looked at seriously. He would not only bring an elevated level of gravitas to the ticket but successfully dismiss Donald Trump's anticipated attacks while easily besting him in the court of public opinion.
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This must become the last election of the electoral college. It is an embarrassing dishonesty within our system of government. An elite few determine who can be our contender for president. That is NOT American.
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Generally, I think of Trump supporters as irrational until I read some of the Bernie supporters' comments. If Bernie wanted to play by his own rules, he should have run as an independent. He himself said that he ran as a Democrat so he could get the advantages of that - media etc. Trump wants his own rules too. Yesterday the Washington Post reported on Trump's ties to organized crime, Doesn't that concern the Bernie bots? I guess not. They need to have their own way. If I were in charge of either party, next time around, they need to vet the candidates. Are they willing to release their tax returns? Are they willing to abide by the rules? Are they willing to help down ballot races? Are they at all interested in the party's platform as opposed to the conversations they are having in their own head? And, finally, if their supporters switch their party affiliation, are they able to understand that they are not qualified to participate in a party function? That seems like a nobrainer to me.
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As with the Oregon election results,and the support for Senator Sanders in the rural parts of Kentucky,and with the exception of the results in Michigan,Mrs. Clinton*s "vulnerabilities"are in non-nonwhite dominant states or regions such as Oregon(92.+ white),and there is now an opportunity for Mr. Trump to be successful this November.There*s a fundamental ethnocentric rift in the Democratic Party in 2016.
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I Hope you've all read up on Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein by now.
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"With Mr. Sanders pressing on with his campaign and Mr. Trump now the presumptive Republican nominee, Mrs. Clinton has been campaigning against two opponents at once, trying to defeat Mr. Sanders in state after state while also building an argument against Mr. Trump."
Campaigning against TWO opponents? WOW, that's unheard off!! I hate when democracy gets in the way of an old fashioned coronation.
Campaigning against TWO opponents? WOW, that's unheard off!! I hate when democracy gets in the way of an old fashioned coronation.
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Unfortunately, any MSM reporting on the fiasco at the Nevada Democratic Convention was pure spin. I couldn't believe what I was reading when the NYT (finally) reported on it. On Sunday, I read Politico's coverage which included live videos. It was the head of the Nevada Democratic Party (Lange) who refused to listen to the Sanders' delegates and it was she who simply walked off the stage and it was she who had finagled the last-minute change to the rules making her the sole Queen Maker. And who called in the sheriffs?
I don't support folks who call her and threaten her, of course. But Bernie Sanders certainly did not call for or endorse that behavior--if it happened. The story comes straight from Lange. So, I'd like to read some independent verification of that.
Meanwhile, I'd recommend that people who believe the slanted presentation in this newspaper take a look at the Politico coverage or read the Common Dreams explanation of it found here:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/16/when-system-feels-rigged-how...
The "real" story probably falls somewhere in between. One lesson I learned--or had emphasized--is I can't rely on the MSM anymore, even including the NYT. Another is: the establishment Democrats exhibited a cavalier attitude toward the Sanders supporters, a very shortsighted mistake based on hubris. Clinton will need the Sanders supporters to turn out to win this election. Do the Establishment Dems even know this?
I don't support folks who call her and threaten her, of course. But Bernie Sanders certainly did not call for or endorse that behavior--if it happened. The story comes straight from Lange. So, I'd like to read some independent verification of that.
Meanwhile, I'd recommend that people who believe the slanted presentation in this newspaper take a look at the Politico coverage or read the Common Dreams explanation of it found here:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/16/when-system-feels-rigged-how...
The "real" story probably falls somewhere in between. One lesson I learned--or had emphasized--is I can't rely on the MSM anymore, even including the NYT. Another is: the establishment Democrats exhibited a cavalier attitude toward the Sanders supporters, a very shortsighted mistake based on hubris. Clinton will need the Sanders supporters to turn out to win this election. Do the Establishment Dems even know this?
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It is uncanny how well Clinton is playing into Trump's narrative of parties run by media and Wall Street elites, and how weak she is polling against him. The fact is the window to the Presidency stays open for 8 years for no one. Her campaign is a fraud. Sander's is clearly the best candidate and the only one with the support of the next generation of voters, as well as the lion's share of independents.
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Tensions spiraled out of control at the Nevada Democratic convention over the weekend when frustrations among Sanders’s supporters erupted into shouting, angry demonstrations and thrown chairs.
Say you, say me. we are together to say US anger. Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican. it is 2016! vote Trump together.
Say you, say me. we are together to say US anger. Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican. it is 2016! vote Trump together.
It did not take long for me to change the channel when I heard George W. Bush speak about something, on the radio or TV. It took a little longer for that to happen with Mr. President Peace Prize. But HRC - if she wins, it will start 9 November 2016, maybe even late on the night of the 8th. Sure, I will vote for her, holding my nose, there are too many important issues that cannot be determined by the Party of Lincoln. And that dear readers is a sad and pathetic realization. This is really getting old, and I am getting weary.
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This is not your fathers Democratic Party. Everything is being pushed further and further left leaving no room for more moderate Dems in the Party. The prospects for the "Trump Democrats" movement are improving every day. Is Bernie Sanders killing the Democratic Party?
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HRC has not learned her lesson from 2008 - we've already said no, thank you. Yet she comes back, not one day fresher, with the same ideas that really nobody wanted back then. How does this work? Can't she get a clue? It's like the Democratic party acts as a match maker and persists after a refusal. Being so clueless will cost a lot to democrats!!!
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Bernie Sanders:
User and Abuser.
Uses the Democratic Party to run for President
Then tries to destroy it from within.
User and Abuser.
Uses the Democratic Party to run for President
Then tries to destroy it from within.
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Sorry, you misunderstand.
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How dare anyone challenge Hillary for the nomination. After all the party Establishment and media pundits coronated her before the voting even started.
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How is it even legal, to have something called "super-delegates", to decide a presidential nominee in America, to say nothing about how undemocratic the whole notion of it is? Central America maybe or Eastern Europe, but America? Sanders's people have a right to be upset and they certainly had a right to be "PO'd" in Nevada about how the "Undemocratic Party" bosses "Reid, Wasserman Schultz, the Clintons, Obama et al,) have consistently bagged his campaign. Would HRC be ahead if these strange and undemocratic rules weren't designed to give her such an advantage?
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Donald Trump is a vile, disgusting, racist demagogue but yet he handily beat seventeen other candidates, including four governors of States where they had a good approval rating. On the other hand Hillary Clinton has lost 22 States to a 74 year old socialist who was not a member of the Democrat Party even though he caucused with them and he has beaten her by outstanding margins among the millenials.
I'm a lifelong Democrat and would never vote for Trump but I, and all of my friends, who are staunch Democrats feel that the only reason we will pulling the lever for Hillary Clinton in November is because she is the lessor of two evils.
I fear that Hillary Clinton is another Richard Nixon. The lying, the untrustworthyness, aides who appear quite willing to break the law on her behalf, and the utter shadiness of the Clinton Foundation take me back to my early 20's when I lived thru the Nixon/Agnew catastrophe. I don't want to live thru that again but it sadly appears that my choice this coming November will be between Hitler and Nixon.
Liberals can lambaste the Republicans all they want but at least they had 17 people running for the Presidency. The Clinton's scared off many qualified Democrats (Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Corey Booker, Deval Patrick, and many, many others). I would love to see a woman President but not one who I feel will bring dishonor to the White House. I will be voting for her with deep, deep regrets. With Trump vs Clinton America loses.
I'm a lifelong Democrat and would never vote for Trump but I, and all of my friends, who are staunch Democrats feel that the only reason we will pulling the lever for Hillary Clinton in November is because she is the lessor of two evils.
I fear that Hillary Clinton is another Richard Nixon. The lying, the untrustworthyness, aides who appear quite willing to break the law on her behalf, and the utter shadiness of the Clinton Foundation take me back to my early 20's when I lived thru the Nixon/Agnew catastrophe. I don't want to live thru that again but it sadly appears that my choice this coming November will be between Hitler and Nixon.
Liberals can lambaste the Republicans all they want but at least they had 17 people running for the Presidency. The Clinton's scared off many qualified Democrats (Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Corey Booker, Deval Patrick, and many, many others). I would love to see a woman President but not one who I feel will bring dishonor to the White House. I will be voting for her with deep, deep regrets. With Trump vs Clinton America loses.
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Keep in mind that students in Kentucky were effectively disenfranchised by not allowing them to register at their school address. With the student vote allowed, Bernie wins Kentucky too.
Secondly, Clinton supporters argue she has received more total votes than Bernie. But all those extra votes came at the beginning of the primary season in the South, where Hillary won on name recognition alone. And Bernie was virtually unknown.
If Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the other party leaders were smart, they would find a way to get Hillary to step down. Because with Hillary as the nominee, Trump wins in November. It is just that simple.
Secondly, Clinton supporters argue she has received more total votes than Bernie. But all those extra votes came at the beginning of the primary season in the South, where Hillary won on name recognition alone. And Bernie was virtually unknown.
If Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the other party leaders were smart, they would find a way to get Hillary to step down. Because with Hillary as the nominee, Trump wins in November. It is just that simple.
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Wait. Southern votes don't count? Only late votes count? I cannot accept that logic.
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Reading these comments, I have to conclude that the corporate media have created a firestorm regarding this primary. Accusations against Sanders and his supporters are growing out of bounds with the facts. Is this deliberate? The Times et al ignore his campaign unless they can create negative headlines. If the DNC wants to pick the candidate and not have primaries any more, then fine, do it next time and avoid the pretense of democracy. But for now, there is a candidate who opposes Clinton on the issues and has garnered support across all the demographic lines. I hope the remaining voters will ignore the sensationalism when they cast their ballots.
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Well, it seems " party unity" has become election dog whistle this campaign. Seems like a really useless reason to chuck one's values.
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Bernie has remained a viable candidate because Hillary as avoided attacking his policies because she needs his supporters in November. Trump does not. He will immediately attack Crazy Bernie (I think that will morph to Crazy Comrade Bernie) by asking:
- What will these expanded social(ist) programs cost?
- Whose taxes will pay for them? (hint - there aren't enough rich Americans to do that).
- You say you want America to become European. Do you also want Americans to pay European-level personal income taxes? A national VAT?
After pointing out to Americans that there is no free lunch (or free college or free healthcare), Trump will ask Bernie if he wants America to become a weakling by cutting our military budget to European levels, while Donald promises to strengthen our military. And he will promise to strengthen America in foreign trade by "being tough" and "cutting better deals" to "bring back all the jobs". And then he will haul out the photos showing Bernie in that workers' paradise, Cuba. And it won't be hard to make the link to Cuba's socialist patron state, Venezuela, where everything is working so well. No, I don't think Bernie's polling numbers against the Donald will hold up so well after Bernie enters the broader world of the primary election.
Meanwhile, Bernie's followers have threatened to burn (Bern?) Philadelphia if they don't get their way. And they have shown how in Las Vegas (and here in N. CA, where superdelegates get threatening calls at all hours).
- What will these expanded social(ist) programs cost?
- Whose taxes will pay for them? (hint - there aren't enough rich Americans to do that).
- You say you want America to become European. Do you also want Americans to pay European-level personal income taxes? A national VAT?
After pointing out to Americans that there is no free lunch (or free college or free healthcare), Trump will ask Bernie if he wants America to become a weakling by cutting our military budget to European levels, while Donald promises to strengthen our military. And he will promise to strengthen America in foreign trade by "being tough" and "cutting better deals" to "bring back all the jobs". And then he will haul out the photos showing Bernie in that workers' paradise, Cuba. And it won't be hard to make the link to Cuba's socialist patron state, Venezuela, where everything is working so well. No, I don't think Bernie's polling numbers against the Donald will hold up so well after Bernie enters the broader world of the primary election.
Meanwhile, Bernie's followers have threatened to burn (Bern?) Philadelphia if they don't get their way. And they have shown how in Las Vegas (and here in N. CA, where superdelegates get threatening calls at all hours).
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I don't understand why coal country would go to Sanders over Clinton - both wish the destruction of the coal industry and the associated economic violence on coal workers.
Oh my gosh! I nearly fainted when I saw a headline in the NYT with a positive word next to Bernie Sanders name, AND it was listed before Hillary!
Progress. Embrace it-- the American people have.
Congratulations to both candidates, who are giving us the only primary race worth following.
Progress. Embrace it-- the American people have.
Congratulations to both candidates, who are giving us the only primary race worth following.
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Hillary should drop out now for the good of the party. The more people see of her, the less they like her. Trends are running down for her.
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The DNC knew that way back when they originally only scheduled three debates at times they hoped nobody woild be watching. They were never looking to promote other candidates in a primary election. The presidency was hers by Divine Right, or maybe just her turn.
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After watching all of the videos of the Nevada Convention a couple of nights ago, then the videos released on MSNBC last night, I saw no "chair throwing." I did listen to Clinton voters say that they, too, thought that the Convention Chair had vastly misused her power and that they too were frustrated and angry.
On the other hand, abusive and threatening emails: No excuse for them. None. Excellent method to create atmosphere of rethink by strong Sander's supporters who, up to the present, have been with his campaign since the primaries began.
Passive resistant protest, fine. Physical violence, or violence through threats to harm, I wont vote for it by voting for Trump, and I wont vote for Sanders if his groups of voters follow Trump's lead by advocating any form of abuse through violence.
Sanders, stand and speak against abuse through violent threats to harm. Now !
On the other hand, abusive and threatening emails: No excuse for them. None. Excellent method to create atmosphere of rethink by strong Sander's supporters who, up to the present, have been with his campaign since the primaries began.
Passive resistant protest, fine. Physical violence, or violence through threats to harm, I wont vote for it by voting for Trump, and I wont vote for Sanders if his groups of voters follow Trump's lead by advocating any form of abuse through violence.
Sanders, stand and speak against abuse through violent threats to harm. Now !
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The major political reform I now want to see is to shorten the election cycle. I mean, the presidency is important but in the age of mass communication and rapid transportation, a candidate can get his or her message out and voters can make up their minds in a couple of months, surely. Same for the general election. The process should take no more than four months. The news media should be held to an equal time and "fair and balanced" rule throughout and there should be a public website managed by a non-partisan commission where the candidates' detailed positions on issues and their major policy addresses are posted. State primaries should have uniform rules and be held on the same day so that "momentum" does not influence voters one way or another and more voters turn out for the big national primary elections day. With 24-hour cable TV and Internet, this process has degenerated into a serial entertainment event not befitting democracy in the greatest country.
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Looks like Bernie and his team are working hard to get Trump elected. Perhaps he can consult with Ralph Nadar if he needs further direction on how to make this a reality.
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Since when did Secretary Clinton become "Mrs. Clinton"? Where is the respect for her years of public service, hard work, dedication and achievements? If you aren't going to use the custom of using the highest rank in office, don't use the outdated title of "Mrs." It seems to me to be a clear attempt at undermining her. I would expect better from the NYT.
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I support Bernie. I do not support death threats and mayhem. If you want to see Bernie lose, keep it up.
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It is ironic how the Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment have dealt with a candidate they detested. The Republicans establishment played by the rules and let the chips fall where they fell. The Democratic establishment changed the rules (e.g., Nevada), have repeatedly denounced the democratic process and have tried to force feed their choice on the voters. Like many Democrats I know, I will be leaving the part after this election as it no longer represents the values I hold dear if it represents any values. The Democratic Party has become "Republican Lite" and I detest lite beers.
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The statement by Clinton of "putting a lot of coal miners out of work" is continually recycled in Times' reporting. Why? It is way out of context - for a purpose??? Irresponsible reporting to say the least.
The truth is, the coal industry has been slow to adapt to regulations. And slow to look out for their employees who need retraining and have for years. It is not politicians who are closing down coal - it is the coal companies refusal to adapt and help their own people. We as a country should be glad to help this dying industry to adjust and retrain workers to clean energy. Enough with the sound bites from two months ago, please!!!
The truth is, the coal industry has been slow to adapt to regulations. And slow to look out for their employees who need retraining and have for years. It is not politicians who are closing down coal - it is the coal companies refusal to adapt and help their own people. We as a country should be glad to help this dying industry to adjust and retrain workers to clean energy. Enough with the sound bites from two months ago, please!!!
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Unless Wasserman and the rest of the Democratic Nobility get their heads out, Donald Trump will win in November. Sanders holds a commanding lead among independents, a voting block comprising nearly 50% of registered voters. He's favored nationally over Trump by double digits. Hillary is breaking even with Trump and is losing ground. To the many Clinton supporters here who tout her “commanding lead” in delegates, maybe you should be concerned about THAT math.
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The Dems have an obvious and ancient solution-- compromise. Bernie is no fool-- he isn't going to win the nomination at this point. He is trying to implement as many of his causes as possible. HRC knows this. But with the Clintons, it's always been "my way or the highway". She may win the nomination but she may well not win the Presidency without Bernie's supporters genuinely on board. Politics is about compromise-- in this case, the adoption of a good portion of Bernie's all-too-well-known platform and the solid offer of a place on the ticket. If she does this, she will very probably sweep in November. If she doesn't-- out of vindictive scorn or whatever-- God knows what will happen with her and Trump. The Dem national convention will look like Chicago in 1968. Bernie isn't going to give up or go away to quietly pick apples back in Vermont. If she wants the contention to stop, she can do the obvious any time she wants. I bet she doesn't, though. It's part of her pathology.
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Bernie 2016 despite all the subtle and not-so-subtle efforts of the NYT and NPR etc.
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Just from watching MSNBC last night, I was really surprised at how few votes one can get from winning a state. Bernie is right, it all comes down to the super-delegates and that is unfair. Before the primaries even started, Hillary had some 500 votes as a result of super-delegate pledges.
It is obvious to me that the person the Democratic Electorate want is Bernie yet the party grandees are pushing him off the stage to make ready for Hillary's coronation at the convention.
Hillary built up her massive delegate lead from early wins in southern states where Bernie was little known and the Clintons were well-known by minority voters. The primary calendar was designed for Hillary by having southern states go first where Bernie was little known and had no time for the voters to get to know him.
Now it is obvious that despite the delegate count, Bernie is the candidate that has the opportunity to win big in the fall, but alas he will be pushed to the sidelines and his supporters will be furious.
He is right to say the system is rigged. It was rigged for Hillary's coronation in Philadelphia.
It is obvious to me that the person the Democratic Electorate want is Bernie yet the party grandees are pushing him off the stage to make ready for Hillary's coronation at the convention.
Hillary built up her massive delegate lead from early wins in southern states where Bernie was little known and the Clintons were well-known by minority voters. The primary calendar was designed for Hillary by having southern states go first where Bernie was little known and had no time for the voters to get to know him.
Now it is obvious that despite the delegate count, Bernie is the candidate that has the opportunity to win big in the fall, but alas he will be pushed to the sidelines and his supporters will be furious.
He is right to say the system is rigged. It was rigged for Hillary's coronation in Philadelphia.
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The bottom line is that Democrats need to get their act together otherwise their will be a President Trump, which will be more disasterous than the G W Bush Presidency.
Mrs. Clinton will have the delegate votes to win the nomination. It's just a fact and should be the end of this chapter in the campaign so that Democrats can instead focus on winning in November.
Mr. Sanders needs to stop his caustic devicive rhetoric and instead refocus his energy and supporters on stopping Mr. Trump and help electing Mrs. Clinton.
Mrs. Clinton will have the delegate votes to win the nomination. It's just a fact and should be the end of this chapter in the campaign so that Democrats can instead focus on winning in November.
Mr. Sanders needs to stop his caustic devicive rhetoric and instead refocus his energy and supporters on stopping Mr. Trump and help electing Mrs. Clinton.
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I listened to both voicemail recordings from Ms. Lange's mailbox provided by the Times. Neither threatened her. She claims threats were made against her and her family. If true, the FBI should be investigating. So should the Times.
Color me dubious...
Color me dubious...
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There were numerous other voicemails and text messages that were overtly threatening, obscene, or both. MSNBC happened to play some others last evening; perhaps they are available on its website.
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If Hillary wasn't gracious in defeat in 2008, we would have been subject to a McCain / Palin Presidency.
Hillary could have incited her supporters to "burn it all down" in 2008, when she got more votes than Obama, and nearly twice as many as Bernie got this year, but she didn't. She put the country first, and I'm glad that she did.
Hillary could have incited her supporters to "burn it all down" in 2008, when she got more votes than Obama, and nearly twice as many as Bernie got this year, but she didn't. She put the country first, and I'm glad that she did.
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They did not want Hillary 8 years ago why were they so intent on running her again. The Democrats have a problem.Sanders is more like Trump than Clinton.
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It's amusing to listen to the Sanders' supporters whine about not getting enough attention. We've heard Sanders numerous times on his three talking points and the supporters have been in the media with their protests at Trump events and now acting out to steal delegates they deride Clinton for having.
Please, tell me how these people are any different than Trump supporters.
Please, tell me how these people are any different than Trump supporters.
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Figure it out. How are the Clintons different from Trump? They play golf together so any differences should be easily recognized. For instance one uses a three club while the others use a four. For most Americans it is not millions or billions to deal with. It is survival. The economy is a club to beat them not a club to join or use to enjoy life.
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"“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.” Mrs. Clinton was discussing renewable energy and she went on to say that coal miners should not be left behind, but the statement has haunted her."
This statement has haunted her because the media keeps plucking it out of context. Her overall statements were in actuality very supportive toward those in coal country. Another example of shameless media manipulation.
This statement has haunted her because the media keeps plucking it out of context. Her overall statements were in actuality very supportive toward those in coal country. Another example of shameless media manipulation.
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Watch and listen carefully. Her posture likens to a kid at her first debate. "I'm going to...."
It is the I'm and me and I'll that is of concern along with. I'll do this and that for you.
Fighting for us is another little sign of her sense of self worth.
No where is it "we are...."
That is the part that will keep many folks home.
So tell us: what did she accomplish?
Take your time. We have until November.
It is the I'm and me and I'll that is of concern along with. I'll do this and that for you.
Fighting for us is another little sign of her sense of self worth.
No where is it "we are...."
That is the part that will keep many folks home.
So tell us: what did she accomplish?
Take your time. We have until November.
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But she DID say she supported leaving them behind. Statements that she, and the Democrats in general would "help" the coal miners are silly
(fancy word for NYT denizens: disingenuous. ) "We're here from the government and want to help you".
The Democrats are full or platitudes, but continue job killing
regulations. They have killed lots of other mining jobs too (e.g. fluorite.)
(fancy word for NYT denizens: disingenuous. ) "We're here from the government and want to help you".
The Democrats are full or platitudes, but continue job killing
regulations. They have killed lots of other mining jobs too (e.g. fluorite.)
Here are her full remarks, in context:
"Look, we have serious economic problems in many parts of our country. And Roland is absolutely right. Instead of dividing people the way Donald Trump does, let's reunite around policies that will bring jobs and opportunities to all these underserved poor communities.
So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?
And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on."
"Look, we have serious economic problems in many parts of our country. And Roland is absolutely right. Instead of dividing people the way Donald Trump does, let's reunite around policies that will bring jobs and opportunities to all these underserved poor communities.
So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?
And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on."
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It's beginning to look like Hillary Clinton's attractiveness as a candidate is largely a soi-disant fantasy. She let Obama snatch the nomination from her in 2008 and now she can't shake Sanders. First, a nobody and now a socialist. People just don't want her. It is a telling measure of her desperation that she has promised to make Bill co-president. It's a good thing people have short memories.
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More and more Sanders is taking Eugene McCarthy's route to destruction (of the party). Early on he had little hope and was a force for good in the nomination process (pushing Clinton to the left), then he became more and more successful and now thinks of himself as very close to winning - and that has made him and his followers power hungry and surly. The same thing happened in '68. McCarthy's followers went crazy (as he won over voters but was denied delegates), Chicago's mayor and police went crazy (as Daley was crazy to begin with), and the DEMS lost to Richard Nixon - a crazy, criminal president for the ages. The supporters of Sanders are making a terrible, irrational mistake.
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We are in trouble. Bernie's supporters shouting down Barbara Boxer, a woman who has fought tirelessly for liberal causes her entire career, bothers me deeply. I am not seeing any difference between them and Trump's loutish male supporters. Younger men and women have no idea what Barbara Boxer has contributed to feminism throughout the years.
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They know zero about our country's history and care less.
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Feminism! Is that what this election is all about??
Bringing Monica back?
Defending Bill?
Down on your knees America. At least for some.
Bringing Monica back?
Defending Bill?
Down on your knees America. At least for some.
Bernie's act is getting to be tiresome. The overheated rhetoric coming from the very top of his campaign is without doubt fueling the sort of hysterical over-reaction, resentment, and violence that we saw last weekend in Nevada. It's time for Sanders and the Sanders cultists to snap out of it, and face the real-world fact that the majority of voting Democrats have not supported his candidacy or its ideas.
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Current math has him down 279 delegates and over 3 million popular votes. This rhetoric of "the party doesn't like me" and "a revolution is coming" is simply not borne out by the actual numbers of people showing up to vote. Bernie's supporters are louder, but they're not more numerous. All he's doing now is stoking the flames against Hillary in a completely unwinnable fight. I could have gone either way a month ago, but how he's handled the fact that he is badly losing is truly embarrassing. Not to mention that he did nowhere near enough to address the unforgivable actions of his supporters in Nevada. Sit down, Bernie. You're done.
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I remember when Sander's was convinced he'd win Oregon by 70%. Sanders is now outliving his charm even to the left. He's no different on his tax filings than Trump, evasive and slippery. He is way behind where Hillary was in 2008 against Obama. His followers are coming across as nasty, ugly and desperate.
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So Hillary pulled out all the stops to garner a win in KY, spending tons of money and barnstorming throughout the state, and the best she could do--in a place that she won by a landslide the last time over the black guy--against an old Jewish democratic socialist was manage a dead heat?
Geez seriously.
And keep telling us that, you know, Democrats can exclude independents from closed primaries because they're like, closed. But you guys better vote for our gal in the general because otherwise you're gonna bring on the Apocalypse, ya rotten spoilsports.
Keep dreaming. Do I really think Trump would be worse than endless war Hillary? Do I think his morals are worse than Bill 'n Hill--the one who assaults women and the other who demonizes the ones with the guts to complain?
No, actually I don't. Give me the loudmouth over the--as we've now been promised by Hillary herself--the most venal couple in politics. As if I didn't have a billion other reasons not to vote for her--just to ensure Bill never sleeps in the White House again is the only one I need.
Geez seriously.
And keep telling us that, you know, Democrats can exclude independents from closed primaries because they're like, closed. But you guys better vote for our gal in the general because otherwise you're gonna bring on the Apocalypse, ya rotten spoilsports.
Keep dreaming. Do I really think Trump would be worse than endless war Hillary? Do I think his morals are worse than Bill 'n Hill--the one who assaults women and the other who demonizes the ones with the guts to complain?
No, actually I don't. Give me the loudmouth over the--as we've now been promised by Hillary herself--the most venal couple in politics. As if I didn't have a billion other reasons not to vote for her--just to ensure Bill never sleeps in the White House again is the only one I need.
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Clinton has to be one of the most Machiavellian politicians to come along since, well, Machiavelli. She has lied, stolen, been fired (from the Watergate subcommittee she worked on, for unethical behavior), changed parties, stayed with a sexual predator, smeared, threatened, and finally bought her way to the top. There's only one thing she can't control: Bernie Sanders. Well two, actually: there was that Obama guy back in 2008.
In Machiavelli's day, one could of course simply poison or murder one's rivals. How galling it must be to Mrs. Clinton to have to resort to less effective means to control hers. How did this conniving, amoral person ever become the face of the Democratic Party? A modern-day reincarnation of Henry VIII's Cromwell. See how far we haven't come in 450 years.
In Machiavelli's day, one could of course simply poison or murder one's rivals. How galling it must be to Mrs. Clinton to have to resort to less effective means to control hers. How did this conniving, amoral person ever become the face of the Democratic Party? A modern-day reincarnation of Henry VIII's Cromwell. See how far we haven't come in 450 years.
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By now it should become abundantly clear that Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate to put up against Donald Trump. The independent vote goes overwhelmingly to Bernie Sanders. Having Bernie as the candidate is the only strategy that will win the White House for the Democrats as well of the down tickets . While Hillary Clinton is an extremely Qualified candidate, she will likely lose in the general election to Donald Trump. For the Clinton campaign this is the time to soul search. If they want to avoid the worst case scenario, a Trump presidency, now is the time to rally around Bernie Sanders.
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I held out hope that Bernie would be a good influence on the party platform. But after the stunts pulled in Nevada, it's clear he's only the latest incarnation of Ralph Nader - in it for EGO.
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You don't actually know what the stunts were, do you?
I probably will never make back the income lost during the Bush years, nor the personal rights (in employment, banking, etc). Time passes, and opportunities are lost. The current, very complex economic environment sucks income from the middle class upward like a Tornado. There is no easy, quick fix. The effect of an lost election can occur quickly ( like 911) and slowly (changes in economic structure, courts, etc). I remember the attacks by Ralph Nader on Al Gore, so similar to Sanders at Clinton. We certainly did not get "the same" in George Bush. Nader seemed to enjoy the thrill of the attack, and forgot about the issues. Is this happening within the Democratic party again? Will this result in a loss in November? What then, will happen to the Revolution?
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Clinton supporters seem to want to have it both ways. In the primary, the rules are the rules, you win or you lose based on the strength of your candidacy and campaign, and don't whine if you're the loser. Looking forward to the November, however, people are suddenly obligated to throw their support behind Clinton or else they're responsible for throwing the country under the bus. What else will we be obligated to do under a Clinton presidency? No doubt, support her trade policies.. or else! Better support her foreign and military policies... or else!
Clinton's is the "or else" candidacy. Well, threatening and demeaning people, because they "should" support a certain candidate - if they were smart and not petulant - is probably not going to work well.
The DNC entered this primary with an inflated estimation of its importance to a new generation of voters. The new voter doesn't care about the Democratic Party. Parties have been the problem. Didn't see it coming? Well, many did. So save your breath, party elite, and be accountable for how you stacked the deck. We're in this for something bigger than the Democratic Party. If you want to "or else" us, that's up to you. No one owes you their vote.
Clinton's is the "or else" candidacy. Well, threatening and demeaning people, because they "should" support a certain candidate - if they were smart and not petulant - is probably not going to work well.
The DNC entered this primary with an inflated estimation of its importance to a new generation of voters. The new voter doesn't care about the Democratic Party. Parties have been the problem. Didn't see it coming? Well, many did. So save your breath, party elite, and be accountable for how you stacked the deck. We're in this for something bigger than the Democratic Party. If you want to "or else" us, that's up to you. No one owes you their vote.
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I am curious if the nyt management/owners read these comments
these are your readers your subscribers -
do you notice how many of us are turned off and dismayed by your coverage,
your bernie blackout, your blatant bias for hrc - it's awful
the latest bit - the over the top coverage of the constructed controversy in nevada - death threats - in the headline -
you should be ashamed -
these are your readers your subscribers -
do you notice how many of us are turned off and dismayed by your coverage,
your bernie blackout, your blatant bias for hrc - it's awful
the latest bit - the over the top coverage of the constructed controversy in nevada - death threats - in the headline -
you should be ashamed -
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I am curious if Bernie Sanders fans are aware that the rest of us have caught on that they swarm the NY Times and other major media websites in coordinated and exhorted attacks? The Times did not 'make up the death threats,' they were reported to the head of Nevada's DNC. The voices I heard on the playback from the private cell-phone telephone number that the Sanders people called and left their ugly messages on weren't plants, sadly, they were genuine and from the twisted minds of Sanders fanatics.
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Again, the aging grumpy unknown socialist nearly ties the Democratic Party's force-fed candidate in one state and defeats her in another. Despite this obvious cognitive dissonance, the Democratic Party leadership insists they have chosen the most qualified candidate to serve as leader of the free world. The party is broken, and the leadership is completely oblivious to voters real needs and concerns. This will not end well.....
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For years I have supported Mr. Sanders senatorial election campaigns. No more. He is behaving as a vain old man. He attacks Mrs. Clinton positions while he continues to refuse to change his on gun control. Sad.
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Bernie - just two words - drop out.
That is, unless you'd like to see Donald Trump as president.
1. You can't win.
2. If you run as a third party candidate (which it's clear that that's why you're staying in the race, to set yourself up for that), you'd take enough votes from Sec. Clinton to throw the race to Trump.
3. If you think you're going to win the presidency with kids and wackos, guess again. It ain't happenin'.
My bet - the white-haired wacko is too drunk on the crowds to give up now. He's on a mission - only when he crashes into the brick wall will he accept the inevitable. In the meantime, don't expect him to do the right thing.
That is, unless you'd like to see Donald Trump as president.
1. You can't win.
2. If you run as a third party candidate (which it's clear that that's why you're staying in the race, to set yourself up for that), you'd take enough votes from Sec. Clinton to throw the race to Trump.
3. If you think you're going to win the presidency with kids and wackos, guess again. It ain't happenin'.
My bet - the white-haired wacko is too drunk on the crowds to give up now. He's on a mission - only when he crashes into the brick wall will he accept the inevitable. In the meantime, don't expect him to do the right thing.
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hillary - just two words - drop out.
That is, unless you'd like to see Donald Trump as president.
That is, unless you'd like to see Donald Trump as president.
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Let the primary continue to the end, please.
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If Sanders is the future of th Democratic party, count me (a millenial Obama-loving Democrat) out. An isolationist, poorly-briefed, fiscally delusional demagogue is not the answer in a world that is increasingly connected, whose challenges require collaborative, incremental change, and where inflation (often caused by compounding debt) disproportianately hurts the poor (Venezuela). To Sanders supporters, this makes me a corporate shill, or a Republican, which I decidedly am not - I believe government is can be a force for good. But they have made people like me increasingly uncomfortable in my own party. And the death threats made to state DNC officials in Nevada are proof that when you whip people into a fury by yelling about a "revolution," the angry mob you have created will take your words to heart.
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It's nice for the NYT to provide this forum as a support group and echo chamber for Sanders fans.
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The Times is just being fair. The Sanders mob uses FB to swarm all the media comment boards. To bad for them mouse clicks are not votes. "Likes" are not votes. Registered voters who vote are votes. 3.5Million more of those for Hillary than Sanders. Sanders followers are just bullies.
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I am for Bernie, as he is, like me:
against War,
and War-Profiteers,
and War Criminals!
And Donald Trump also spoke out against this.
Thus, as much as one may detest him (mind you - he's just outspoken, not like the hypocrites we are used to) he has a good point here, too.
Hillary has none!
And now, she wants to call her husband in - as what?
VICE-President? Why not. Ask Monica.
But much worse:
Hillary's husband (also called Tricky Billy-Goat) killed one million people, mostly children and women, in Iraq by keeping up the total embargo on the country - not in, but after the war!
Hillary herself is coming closer and closer to him: half a million in Syria, and nobody knows how many really died (and are still dying, in Libya - not to count eight million refugees in and from Syria, and hundreds of thousands via Libya.
Is that the material Presidents are to be made of?
against War,
and War-Profiteers,
and War Criminals!
And Donald Trump also spoke out against this.
Thus, as much as one may detest him (mind you - he's just outspoken, not like the hypocrites we are used to) he has a good point here, too.
Hillary has none!
And now, she wants to call her husband in - as what?
VICE-President? Why not. Ask Monica.
But much worse:
Hillary's husband (also called Tricky Billy-Goat) killed one million people, mostly children and women, in Iraq by keeping up the total embargo on the country - not in, but after the war!
Hillary herself is coming closer and closer to him: half a million in Syria, and nobody knows how many really died (and are still dying, in Libya - not to count eight million refugees in and from Syria, and hundreds of thousands via Libya.
Is that the material Presidents are to be made of?
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We have no idea how the country would respond to a Sanders candidacy once his opposition went all out defining him as a Socialist. Clinton has been treating him with kid gloves and those gloves will come off once he gets into Republican sights. He is mostly a blank canvas to the American public and the Republicans have their paint brushes ready.
He illuminates goals that many, but not all, Americans agree with. But just because you can see the summit doesn't mean you know how to get there, and that's where many of us who are cool to him get disillusioned. I compare him and his record to Elizabeth Warren. She works diligently within the system and moves the needle. She shepherded the Consumer Financial Protection Board into existence. He suggested, on an interview with Rachel Maddow, that the Democrat Party fund and support a Left Wing version of Fox News in order to combat corporate controlled media. Huh? And while she has endorsed some of his goals, she has not endorsed him.
I didn't like it when he called Clinton "unqualified" in a coy way that would be easy to parse and walk back. What happened to the guy I applauded when he said, "We've heard enough about Hillary's emails"?
If he's the real deal, we'll see him actually turn his supporters into a progressive version of the TEA party and roll up the Democrat Center in 2018 and 2020. If he isn't he'll end up in a the list of well meaning spoilers along with Ralph Nader and Eugene McCarthy.
He illuminates goals that many, but not all, Americans agree with. But just because you can see the summit doesn't mean you know how to get there, and that's where many of us who are cool to him get disillusioned. I compare him and his record to Elizabeth Warren. She works diligently within the system and moves the needle. She shepherded the Consumer Financial Protection Board into existence. He suggested, on an interview with Rachel Maddow, that the Democrat Party fund and support a Left Wing version of Fox News in order to combat corporate controlled media. Huh? And while she has endorsed some of his goals, she has not endorsed him.
I didn't like it when he called Clinton "unqualified" in a coy way that would be easy to parse and walk back. What happened to the guy I applauded when he said, "We've heard enough about Hillary's emails"?
If he's the real deal, we'll see him actually turn his supporters into a progressive version of the TEA party and roll up the Democrat Center in 2018 and 2020. If he isn't he'll end up in a the list of well meaning spoilers along with Ralph Nader and Eugene McCarthy.
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It's not over untill the fat lady sings. To be a quitter is not an american value. Look at all of the candidates that quite the republican party campaign. What have they left us with? A bad reality show actor.
Wake up politicians! Wake up delegates! Stop dennying all of the anger and frustration about the state of politics in the US and do something to change it. Do the math. Add up the people who support Trump and Sander's. A clear majority.
DNC and NYT you can try to label me a violent socialist person who slings death threats but I am not intimidated. I am a hardworking honest person with a good moral compass and I will continue to exercise the right to express my opinion.
As long as the candidates don't quite and After all of the people in the primary election process have had the opportunity to vote the fat lady will sing. If she sings for Hillary I believe Bernie will act as he always has. With honesty and moral integrity.
Wake up politicians! Wake up delegates! Stop dennying all of the anger and frustration about the state of politics in the US and do something to change it. Do the math. Add up the people who support Trump and Sander's. A clear majority.
DNC and NYT you can try to label me a violent socialist person who slings death threats but I am not intimidated. I am a hardworking honest person with a good moral compass and I will continue to exercise the right to express my opinion.
As long as the candidates don't quite and After all of the people in the primary election process have had the opportunity to vote the fat lady will sing. If she sings for Hillary I believe Bernie will act as he always has. With honesty and moral integrity.
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I opposed Clinton well before the '92 primaries because of his trade and criminal justice policies. Anyone who paid attention to what he was doing to the rust belt, soliciting factories to move to Arkansas with a promise of no taxes for a decade, could have seen that. NAFTA and MFN status for China cost us two million good paying, union jobs. His leaving the primary campaign to go back to Arkansas to make sure that Ricky Ray Rector, who had the mind of a four year old, was executed and not commuted by the Lt. General, presaged his '94 crime bill. Hillary's record has echoed that, especially her long-standing support for TPP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/17/tracking-the-m...
Hillary spent six years on the Walmart board, 1986 to 1992, and never breathed a word about the corporation's ferociously anti-union practices which continue to this day.
Her cowardly vote to give Bush carte blanche to invade and occupy Iraq was perhaps the worst thing she could have done. She has pretended that she didn't understand what that meant, but I certainly did, and I lived 15 miles from the nearest store in Kansas. I sought out and spoke to Scott Ritter for a half hour about Bush's plans and subterfuges two months before Hillary's vote. I watched Bob Byrd , almost 85 years old, speak against it for 50 minutes on October 10, 2002, and Hillary voted to end his filibuster. she knew exactly what she was doing when she did it.
Hillary spent six years on the Walmart board, 1986 to 1992, and never breathed a word about the corporation's ferociously anti-union practices which continue to this day.
Her cowardly vote to give Bush carte blanche to invade and occupy Iraq was perhaps the worst thing she could have done. She has pretended that she didn't understand what that meant, but I certainly did, and I lived 15 miles from the nearest store in Kansas. I sought out and spoke to Scott Ritter for a half hour about Bush's plans and subterfuges two months before Hillary's vote. I watched Bob Byrd , almost 85 years old, speak against it for 50 minutes on October 10, 2002, and Hillary voted to end his filibuster. she knew exactly what she was doing when she did it.
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"superdelegates, the party leaders who can vote as they wish"
It would only be fair to acknowledge that superdelegates include lobbyists, which are party "leaders" in one sense, but surely not the one you intend.
It would only be fair to acknowledge that superdelegates include lobbyists, which are party "leaders" in one sense, but surely not the one you intend.
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The Super Delegate from my city right now is sitting in a courtroom on trial,for corruption and using campaign money to pay his personal debts. He had the chutzpah to run again for reelection to Congress and the other Super Delegate supported him. He almost won reelection but enough voters came to their senses and he lost the seat he held for something like 20 years. He will be lucky to stay out of jail but even if found guilty it will take a while to sentence him so he will likely be front and center casting his vote for Clinton this summer in Philly.
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When is the Democratic machine going to come to grips with reality----Hillary is a poor choice. Sanders is our only hope to defeat Trump! The people have realized from the beginning that this primary has been rigged in Hillary's favor and now the Democratic good old boys must begin to ask the question----WHY!??
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"When is the Democratic machine going to come to grips with reality..."
If only they would ignore what the majority of voters in Democratic primaries have voted for! Is that what you want? Because Hillary has received 3 million more votes than Bernie has.
If only they would ignore what the majority of voters in Democratic primaries have voted for! Is that what you want? Because Hillary has received 3 million more votes than Bernie has.
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Whowzer, dowzer...the BIG NEWS of the evening is that Hillary (maybe) wins Kentucky by one half of one percent! Let's lead with that. It a HUGE symbolic victory! Sanders by 8% in Oregon is a sidebar (or no bar at all).
Why are you not looking at your own news hole? The headline is about Sanders win in Oregon and the story is all about Clinton. Go back and read it...tell me that I'm wrong. I dare you. Or are you going to do a re-write since some of us called you on your obvious foul?
I mourn for what was once m go-to source of information about the world.
Why are you not looking at your own news hole? The headline is about Sanders win in Oregon and the story is all about Clinton. Go back and read it...tell me that I'm wrong. I dare you. Or are you going to do a re-write since some of us called you on your obvious foul?
I mourn for what was once m go-to source of information about the world.
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Sanders said he would win Oregon by 30%. Maybe that should have been the lead, he fell 22% short.
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Bernie Sanders reverts to kamikaze politics in an effort to prevail....
Trump is probably wondering as it becomes increasingly obvious what a REALLY sore LOSER Bernie is, if perhaps he would consider becoming his VP.
Anything for a win, isn't that right Mr. Sanders?
Trump is probably wondering as it becomes increasingly obvious what a REALLY sore LOSER Bernie is, if perhaps he would consider becoming his VP.
Anything for a win, isn't that right Mr. Sanders?
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Bernie has every right to stay in the race until the last primary vote.
But I think he's badly mistaken in his suggestion that he would be the strongest candidate against Trump. Current polls to that effect are nothing but passing grist for the media mill.
Bernie has never been the focus of the attack apparatus of the R plutocrats in a general election. (And I think it very likely that R campaign operatives have been helping him under the radar, and without Bernie's knowledge, all along, because his every success is to their advantage against Hillary.) Anyone whose vision is not distorted by fervor for Bernie can see how he would be portrayed and how effective that portrayal would be among fearful, emotional, and self-interested swing voters in swing states.
It's too bad we can't have alternate realities to look back upon in January so that I could bet nickels or beers with "Bern feelers," but I'd bet that he would lose Ohio, Virginia, and Florida and with those, the election.
On the other hand, the Clintons - both of them - have been the bogey-people of maniacal R plutocrats, FBI agents, and Nixon / Reagan appointed judges for 25 years, yet they are still standing. And after all of that, what do they really have on Hillary? Improper use of emails, mainly.
And against Hillary, you can bet that Trump will make an utter fool of himself in a way obvious to the female 50% of the nation, not to mention males with functional frontal lobes.
But I think he's badly mistaken in his suggestion that he would be the strongest candidate against Trump. Current polls to that effect are nothing but passing grist for the media mill.
Bernie has never been the focus of the attack apparatus of the R plutocrats in a general election. (And I think it very likely that R campaign operatives have been helping him under the radar, and without Bernie's knowledge, all along, because his every success is to their advantage against Hillary.) Anyone whose vision is not distorted by fervor for Bernie can see how he would be portrayed and how effective that portrayal would be among fearful, emotional, and self-interested swing voters in swing states.
It's too bad we can't have alternate realities to look back upon in January so that I could bet nickels or beers with "Bern feelers," but I'd bet that he would lose Ohio, Virginia, and Florida and with those, the election.
On the other hand, the Clintons - both of them - have been the bogey-people of maniacal R plutocrats, FBI agents, and Nixon / Reagan appointed judges for 25 years, yet they are still standing. And after all of that, what do they really have on Hillary? Improper use of emails, mainly.
And against Hillary, you can bet that Trump will make an utter fool of himself in a way obvious to the female 50% of the nation, not to mention males with functional frontal lobes.
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Sanders won Oregon with a huge majority and split Kentucky by any statistical measure even with Clinton's canvasing of the state before the election. What this tells me is that Sanders is building momentum and Clinton is barely holding on. She and her associates are also under federal investigation, whereas Sanders has never caved into greed--whether on the part of the corporate bribery machine, or from PACs which represent faceless, conscienceless, craven, ruthless and destructive business entities that have no soul and do not breathe. If anything he is the odds on favorite now based on this week's realities.
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@Nutmeg,
Sanders has never caved to greed?
Two words: Burlington College
Criminal Investigations? The people in the know refuse to answer yes or no.
Another few words: Paying your wife and daughter with campaign contributions.
It's almost certainly true that Bill and Hillary got sweetheart deals when they were young up-and-comers; that's hardly news in politics particularly in the South. But Bernie and Mrs. Bernie just come off as envious because their payoffs were penny-ante. Really, getting $200K for destroying a college is pretty pathetic; Hillary gets more than that for giving a rousing speech.
Which reminds me-- where's the record that Bernie was ever offered lots of money for a speech or anything and turned it down? Maybe it's all about sour grapes?
Sanders has never caved to greed?
Two words: Burlington College
Criminal Investigations? The people in the know refuse to answer yes or no.
Another few words: Paying your wife and daughter with campaign contributions.
It's almost certainly true that Bill and Hillary got sweetheart deals when they were young up-and-comers; that's hardly news in politics particularly in the South. But Bernie and Mrs. Bernie just come off as envious because their payoffs were penny-ante. Really, getting $200K for destroying a college is pretty pathetic; Hillary gets more than that for giving a rousing speech.
Which reminds me-- where's the record that Bernie was ever offered lots of money for a speech or anything and turned it down? Maybe it's all about sour grapes?
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arty,
You are once again the emblem of disinformation and self-defeating desecration. Go home mate. You've had one too many.
You are once again the emblem of disinformation and self-defeating desecration. Go home mate. You've had one too many.
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The US primaries are a continuous recitation of voter fraud.
https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/
Exit polls are so far out in favour of Clinton from the reported polls in every state that there is no question there is fraud. When the USA monitors elections in third world countries, a difference of more than 2% between the exit polls and the actual polls is reson enough to cancel the election results. Exit polls are normally very accurate. In Germany they are within 0.2% as they are in other real democracies. The deviation in the USA for the Democratic nomination is in excess of 6 to 7%. In NY it was 12%. On average it is enough to give Sanders the nomination. Now the big networks are cancelling exit polls. The fraud has now become too obvious. American democracy is being stolen right under the noses of Americans. WAKE UP!
https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/
Exit polls are so far out in favour of Clinton from the reported polls in every state that there is no question there is fraud. When the USA monitors elections in third world countries, a difference of more than 2% between the exit polls and the actual polls is reson enough to cancel the election results. Exit polls are normally very accurate. In Germany they are within 0.2% as they are in other real democracies. The deviation in the USA for the Democratic nomination is in excess of 6 to 7%. In NY it was 12%. On average it is enough to give Sanders the nomination. Now the big networks are cancelling exit polls. The fraud has now become too obvious. American democracy is being stolen right under the noses of Americans. WAKE UP!
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While any rational person will denounce the anger at the Nevada democratic primary; it is becoming clear that the Democratic Party does not yet understand the depth of feeling and frustrations of millions of Americans who back Bernie Sanders (or sadly Donald Trump) in 2016. When ordinary men and women are made to feel they have NO real say in either their country or their own lives in having a future not filled with yet further lower standards of living (as has been the case for over 30 years now thanks to Wall Street and their Republican buddies); the time has come to tear down the whole damn system and start from scratch. Neither party bosses seem to GET IT?!
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The latest Real Clear Politics Polls has Sanders beating Trump by 13%, and Clinton beating Trump by just over 5%. It's time for Hillary to step aside despite all the delegates acquired through questionable means.
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So you think nefarious shenanigans aren't going on behind the scenes in every primary state?
I registered and voted (for Bernie) at the NH primary in February, presenting my US passport as my photo ID (I don't drive).
I just received a letter in the mail from the NH election authorities, advising me that "someone who did not present photo ID voted using my name..." and that I needed to certify via enclosed postcard that I was the person who voted.
Huh? The nice lady behind the desk asked for and received my photo ID, checked it, and registered me.
What happened since then?
I registered and voted (for Bernie) at the NH primary in February, presenting my US passport as my photo ID (I don't drive).
I just received a letter in the mail from the NH election authorities, advising me that "someone who did not present photo ID voted using my name..." and that I needed to certify via enclosed postcard that I was the person who voted.
Huh? The nice lady behind the desk asked for and received my photo ID, checked it, and registered me.
What happened since then?
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Bernie Sanders will succeed in taking down HRC with what sounds like great rhetoric but is this reality? I love the idea of free college, equality across the board and the drive to move to some idealistic state. Bernie maybe it is time to tell the truth to all your followers. Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act took years and Nancy Pelosi to move forward; and Republicans are still looking to take it down.
Bernie Sanders, his followers and "Susan Sarandon types" will guarantee Trump a seat in the Oval Office!
Thanks Bernie
Bernie Sanders, his followers and "Susan Sarandon types" will guarantee Trump a seat in the Oval Office!
Thanks Bernie
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And how is this going to get me to vote for Hillary again?
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What a supreme waste of time, energy and newsprint to even suggest Bernie will be the nomination. It's amazing the degree to which intelligent people can delude themselves.
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Generally speaking, Clinton has won the primaries in states which Trump has won -- and Sanders has won where Trump has lost.
The states that Clinton and Trump have won are largely "red" states. So, Trump will also likely win most of them in the Presidential election.
Thus, the question becomes this: will the states that Clinton has lost in the primaries vote against her in the finals as well? In other words, if those states go "anti-establishment" in Nov, won't Trump have a cake walk to the White House?
The states that Clinton and Trump have won are largely "red" states. So, Trump will also likely win most of them in the Presidential election.
Thus, the question becomes this: will the states that Clinton has lost in the primaries vote against her in the finals as well? In other words, if those states go "anti-establishment" in Nov, won't Trump have a cake walk to the White House?
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Irony: Clinton built her insurmountable lead by big wins from Democrats in red states; Trump built his insurmountable lead by big wins from Republicans in blue states. Helps explain why Democrats in blue states and Republicans in red states are nauseous about their November choices.
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I'm a Democrat in a blue state and I am not at all nauseous about the Democratic choice.
I always like to hear the opinion of Californians about politics.
It gives me a chance for me to ask them about Arnold and how the Republican, celebrity, successful businessman, who was actually "quite liberal on many issues" and would "shake things up" because they were tired of the Jerry Browns of the world and all the politicians stunk anyhow worked out for them.
I always like to hear the opinion of Californians about politics.
It gives me a chance for me to ask them about Arnold and how the Republican, celebrity, successful businessman, who was actually "quite liberal on many issues" and would "shake things up" because they were tired of the Jerry Browns of the world and all the politicians stunk anyhow worked out for them.
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California is a blue state. Check Clinton's "likable" rating by Democrats in CA polls.
The article in today's paper titled Bernie Sanders Facing Pressure Over Supporters’ Actions in Nevada fails to explain WHY his supporters were upset. Here is a summary from Democracy Now:
Back in February, initial results in Nevada favored Clinton, but then Sanders mobilized more support at the county conventions, making it appear he might actually end up with more delegates. At the state convention Saturday, Sanders supporters erupted in protest after they say the delegate allocation rules were abruptly changed in Clinton’s favor. They also claimed about 60 Sanders supporters were wrongly denied delegate status. Clinton emerged with 20 pledged delegates to Sanders’ 15.
Back in February, initial results in Nevada favored Clinton, but then Sanders mobilized more support at the county conventions, making it appear he might actually end up with more delegates. At the state convention Saturday, Sanders supporters erupted in protest after they say the delegate allocation rules were abruptly changed in Clinton’s favor. They also claimed about 60 Sanders supporters were wrongly denied delegate status. Clinton emerged with 20 pledged delegates to Sanders’ 15.
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OK, Bernie. Enough, already. You've made your points and your message, though right on target, is not going to win the nomination. Time to quit and support Mrs. Clinton. Do you really want to go down in history as another honorable man, like Ralph Nader, whose message was a good one and whose candidacy helped ruin the world? What is it about honorable persons who run for office for the most noble reasons and end up seduced by the adulation, the exposure,and just plain ego stroking? In the real world, if you don't quit soon, we will truly get Mr. Trump and the world will probably not be able to survive. This is not MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON!
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If Clinton loses its because she is a weak candidate, and the blame falls on her. Don't be mad if the horse you bet on was lame from the start, you knew this going into the race.
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KY voted already. CA didn't. Can we vote too?
If the horse loses, you don't get to go to the window and collect the win bet. And, this is not a horse race. Clinton may be a weak candidate but she has the best if not the only chance for a reasonable person to take the White House. The real damage being done here is down - ticket: reasonable persons have a chance to reassert some control in the House and Senate where it really counts. Bernie's obtuse perseverance is diminishing any chance to winning some of those down - ticket races that Mrs. Clinton might help win.
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Unfortunately, the Democratic Party seems to be dead set on nominating the only Democrat that Donald Trump has a chance of beating. Secretary Clinton just seems to rub many people the wrong way. Others distrust her. Many think that she's owned by Wall Street and a good number of people {including President Obama} have called her "Chaney Light" because of her willingness to use our armed forces as a frequent diplomatic tool.
If anyone thinks the Republicans in the Congress have been giving Obama a hard time these last eight years, well, in the immortal words of Al Jolson "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
If anyone thinks the Republicans in the Congress have been giving Obama a hard time these last eight years, well, in the immortal words of Al Jolson "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
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Hillary is claiming victory in KY...really? Except she has to split the delegates. Even the AP isn't calling the race. Did you see the crowd Sanders drew at Cal St. Dominguez Hills? The DNC thought for sure Bernie would back off on the NV brouhaha. Well, he didn't. He blazed a trail in OR and now he's blazing a trail in CA.
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Sanders has also claimed victory in states in which he narrowly won the overall vote but split the delegates. Criticize both sides for that. And Sanders' supporters regularly tout his large crowds as evidence of... something. Problem is, Clinton has not only the delegates, but the votes. Three million more, about 58%. That is also evidence, that she will surely win this thing. Because more Democrats want her to.
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Bernie has changed during this campaign. At the beginning, if his supporters had made death threats, thrown chairs, and vowed to disrupt anything anytime they didn't get their way, Bernie would have said something.
That is what Bernie needs to do TODAY. Make an announcement that people who act that way are not welcome in his campaign. If they want to act like Trump supporters, that's where they should go.
By not doing that, he makes himself comparable to Trump who can't quite disavow David Duke 'cause he wants those votes. I expect better from Bernie. Presidential fever is a terrible thing to catch- it makes you do things you can't be proud of later.
That is what Bernie needs to do TODAY. Make an announcement that people who act that way are not welcome in his campaign. If they want to act like Trump supporters, that's where they should go.
By not doing that, he makes himself comparable to Trump who can't quite disavow David Duke 'cause he wants those votes. I expect better from Bernie. Presidential fever is a terrible thing to catch- it makes you do things you can't be proud of later.
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To S. Bliss,
I'm a Sanders supporter, and I agree with you 100%. Although he is not personally responsible for bad behavior of some of his backers, he must nonetheless condemn it and tell them to stop.
First, their behavior is objectively wrong. Second, it reflects badly on him. He is a truly decent person. And it's his decency that is a big part of his attraction. Third, it reflects badly on the rest of us who support him. We can't call them out - we don't have the national forum. He does, and he should use it.
I'm a Sanders supporter, and I agree with you 100%. Although he is not personally responsible for bad behavior of some of his backers, he must nonetheless condemn it and tell them to stop.
First, their behavior is objectively wrong. Second, it reflects badly on him. He is a truly decent person. And it's his decency that is a big part of his attraction. Third, it reflects badly on the rest of us who support him. We can't call them out - we don't have the national forum. He does, and he should use it.
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He already denounced it, and has said he is against all violence. Don't you remember people demanding the same from him after alleged scuffles between Trump and Sanders supporters? And sorry, the only thing I wouldnt be proud of this election is actually forcing myself to vote for Hillary Clinton.
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With nearly all precincts in Kentucky reporting, Clinton led Sanders by less than 2,000 votes out of more than 400,000 cast.
As the results were being tallied, Sanders was telling a crowd of thousands in Carson, Calif., that he plans to fight until the Democratic convention in July.
“We are in till the last ballot is cast," he said.
As the results were being tallied, Sanders was telling a crowd of thousands in Carson, Calif., that he plans to fight until the Democratic convention in July.
“We are in till the last ballot is cast," he said.
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Bernie Sanders is several million votes behind in the primary vote tallies.
How does he plan to achieve the party nomination through democratic means?
How does he plan to achieve the party nomination through democratic means?
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Bernie Sanders does not have the temperament to be a good president. Under pressure, he is becoming strident, humorless, and rigid. When he should have apologized to Roberta Lange, Nevada state chair of the Democratic Party, for the obscenities and death threats his supporters hurled at her, he brushed the incident off with a vague generalization that he does not condone bad behavior. He then accused the Democratic Party of being corrupt and rigged.
Never having been a member of the Democratic Party, his sole interest, now that it is obvious that he can't be nominated, is in perpetuating the Bernie Sanders crusade, not in electing Hillary Clinton and making sure Donald Trump does not become president.
Never having been a member of the Democratic Party, his sole interest, now that it is obvious that he can't be nominated, is in perpetuating the Bernie Sanders crusade, not in electing Hillary Clinton and making sure Donald Trump does not become president.
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The DNC is corrupt, that has been made painfully obvious at this point. And whether he endorses Clinton or not has no bearing on whether I'd vote for her. The reason I choose not to vote for her is based off of her own actions, her claims during the debates that were not true, and how the DNC has generally reacted towards those who would dare challenge Hillary's anointment. This seems to be something people dont realize. I dont want to vote for Hillary because of Hillary, it doesnt matter what other people have to say about this. She did this to herself.
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Temperament to be a good President? Bernie has dealt with Republicans his entire career, he has decades of experience doing that, he has the grit, the strength, the stamina to tackle the Republicans and he surely inspires millions of people, young and old alike. Hillary, sadly repels young voters and all of us facing Clinton fatigue.
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It is naive to think that Hillary supporters would automatically become Bernie supporters. Bernie is not the same as Obama.
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I imagine that even Hillary's most rabid followers now realize she's in trouble, and that she's by no means a shoe-in against the Donald. She's losing primaries in states (or barely barely winning them) in states in which only registered Democrats can vote. Last time around, in 2008, she won big-time in Kentucky. This time, it was at best a virtual tie. I don't know how she overcomes this perception by voters far and wide that she lacks honesty and authenticity -- perhaps maybe she can counter this by actually being honest and authentic? But does she even really know what her core values are these day?
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The funny thing is the Democrat primary rules were in place from day one. Why should any rule be changed because someone is losing? I wonder if Bernie had won the primary under the existing rules, would he and his supporters would still call the process rigged and unfair?
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Yes, why did they change the rules in Nevada?
The Nevada brouhaha happened precisely because the rules were changed. But to favor Clinton.
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There are 930 candidates left and the delegate spread between Clinton and Sanders remains consistent in the 55-45 range. That means neither of them are going to get an outright majority before the convention. The superdelegates will decided this.
At first glance that means Clinton will win, but, then, she was supposed to have already won and the supers will consider that. That doesn't mean Sanders will win, but it does mean it's going to be an interesting convention!
At first glance that means Clinton will win, but, then, she was supposed to have already won and the supers will consider that. That doesn't mean Sanders will win, but it does mean it's going to be an interesting convention!
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@David Bird: Yet another Sanders supporter with Math issues. Bernie closed the gap by exactly 4, count 'em, 4 delegates yesterday. Pledged Delegate count is Clinton 1767, Sanders 1488 - That gives Hillary a lead of 273 pledged delegates. Please try to not let your messiah complex get in the way of comprhending simple arithmetic.
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Well, Jackie, putting aside your questioning of my math skills, I suggest you re-read my comments. No where does it dispute Clinton's lead.
The--mathematically correct--point it does make is that the number of pledged delegates the two candidates have has been sitting at approximately 55 percent for Clinton and 45 percent for Sanders. And it has been for a while. There is no reason to think this is going to change before the convention.
That means Clinton will win another 512 delegates, leaving her 103 short of what she needs to win an outright majority, and Sanders will win another 418, leaving him 471 short.
That means the superdelegates will decide. Which was my point.
The--mathematically correct--point it does make is that the number of pledged delegates the two candidates have has been sitting at approximately 55 percent for Clinton and 45 percent for Sanders. And it has been for a while. There is no reason to think this is going to change before the convention.
That means Clinton will win another 512 delegates, leaving her 103 short of what she needs to win an outright majority, and Sanders will win another 418, leaving him 471 short.
That means the superdelegates will decide. Which was my point.
So he's going to pull a Nader? If he can't win, no Democrat can? Lucky for him that none of his young supporters remember how that turned out. Maybe they should be reminded.
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Actually, I remember. And he's said he'll support Hillary in the general. As will many of his supporters.
You know what they say about assumptions...
You know what they say about assumptions...
Let's be clear: when Hillary Clinton, the embodiment of the Democratic Establishment, wins a primary by 0.05% against 74 yr old Jewish Socialist and an additionally 5% goes to candidates either out of the race for months or a protest candidate, she really did not win.
She has serious problems with the Democratic electorate. Don't tell us how many millions have voted for her, how many delegates she has, or many superpacs support her. Hillary needs to stop trying to appeal to Republicans, and start winning over 45% of the Democratic vote that abhors her. And it's not personal. It's her politics.
She has serious problems with the Democratic electorate. Don't tell us how many millions have voted for her, how many delegates she has, or many superpacs support her. Hillary needs to stop trying to appeal to Republicans, and start winning over 45% of the Democratic vote that abhors her. And it's not personal. It's her politics.
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The difference between 46.8% and 46.3% is NOT 0.05%. I guess that is the same kind of math that sees a viable path to the nomination for Sanders. If Hillary has serious problems with the Democratic electorate, Sanders has an even bigger problem, namely she is getting far more votes. The embedded dog whistle in the claim that her votes came from the South implies that black votes are less legitimate than the votes of those who vote for Sanders. Go ahead and apply the Dred Scott math and give Hillary 3/5 of the votes she got from African American voters. Maybe that will give Sanders his viable path.
The longer this drags on, the more apparent it is that the Clintons, as much as i value them. are creatures of a past that we can no longer afford. The campaign they are running does not address any of the issues that people have with them. Why isn't Hillary explaining in detail why all of the things Trump and the Republicans are saying about her have no substance, it should be easy enough to do if they're not true, i.e. her handling of the Bengazi hearings, her highwater mark in my opinion. Why doesn't Bill just admit that he has been a philanderer in the past but has changed his ways and is back on "the reservation" and, oh by the way, this is why I thought NAFTA and Welfare Reform were good ideas. Vast numbers of Trump supporters aren't interested in long term solutions right now, people need good paying jobs and need to understand how the Clintons can make that happen. Bernie has good ideas, but honestly, he's too old. I'm in despair.
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We seem to have fallen down the rabbit hole as this race grows curiouser and curiouser by the hour. More and more people lose hope every day. More and more decide not to vote at all for the president because they cannot support any of the candidates and see the enormous drawbacks with any of the tree major contenders.
Hillary has been campaigning for nearly a decade. If the presidency is an endless campaign she certainly has the most experience.
Bernie and Trump are two sides of the same coin. They represent mistrust of "politicians," and disgust with the divisive two party system. They represent outrage at the failure of our government to look out for us, and the fact that many voters are focused on one issue - the complete and utter lack of planning by the government for what would happen to the average American when jobs were outsourced overseas.
If you overlook personality, the one truly significant difference between their supporters is that Trump appeals to voters who naively believe that we can restore economic prosperity just by limiting illegal immigration or imposing tariffs and Bernie appeals to people who don't understand that it's absolutely essential to restore a productive economy before we can realistically think about funding universal health care and reasonably priced college.
Hillary has been campaigning for nearly a decade. If the presidency is an endless campaign she certainly has the most experience.
Bernie and Trump are two sides of the same coin. They represent mistrust of "politicians," and disgust with the divisive two party system. They represent outrage at the failure of our government to look out for us, and the fact that many voters are focused on one issue - the complete and utter lack of planning by the government for what would happen to the average American when jobs were outsourced overseas.
If you overlook personality, the one truly significant difference between their supporters is that Trump appeals to voters who naively believe that we can restore economic prosperity just by limiting illegal immigration or imposing tariffs and Bernie appeals to people who don't understand that it's absolutely essential to restore a productive economy before we can realistically think about funding universal health care and reasonably priced college.
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The Democratic Party needs to figure things out, and quick. The last time we confronted this sort of situation (not that it was identical) was in 1968. Progressive young people who had supported Gene McCarthy and/or Bobby Kennedy protested in the parks of Chicago and were mugged by rioting Chicago cops. Hubert Humphrey got nominated and beaten by that previously consistent loser, Dick Nixon. The same fate is quite possible for a nominated Hillary. Bernie would crush Trump, as everyone seems to acknowledge. Yes, Bernie supporters are angry; they are angry at the media (and properly so). The media - this paper - has been far from disinterested in the Democratic contest. Will there be protests? Count on it. We are facing a "whose side are you on" moment.
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Bernie would not crush Trump.
If you believe the polls, then they will both beat him. If you decide to ignore the polls you don't like, then you aren't being honest with yourself.
If you believe the polls, then they will both beat him. If you decide to ignore the polls you don't like, then you aren't being honest with yourself.
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I think both Bernie and Hillary can crush Trump. Indeed, I've never doubted that the Dems will win the White House in 2016, barring the unforeseen. So the question for me is: which candidate is best qualified to serve all the duties required of a U.S. President. Hillary is supremely qualified compared to every other candidate this year, and that includes Bernie. He doesn't come close.
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Bernie facing defeat, claims to his followers, the system is closed. Bernie does not condemn violence of his followers. Some minor rioting is planed at both conventions. With best best intentions they will only win more support for Trump. If Clinton still looks like a winner he will split the and run as a third party candidate. The lefts always destroys what it can't win. It's in their blood.
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Rioting is planned? I think you mean protesting. Which is a First Amendment right.
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Hillary is just way too close to the establishment for most of us Bernie supporters.
We don't see his positions as extreme or unrealistic either - in most countries, Bernie would be seen as just slightly left of center. Hillary's positions would be seen as to the right of center - we don't see hers as close to Bernie's whatsoever!
We don't see his positions as extreme or unrealistic either - in most countries, Bernie would be seen as just slightly left of center. Hillary's positions would be seen as to the right of center - we don't see hers as close to Bernie's whatsoever!
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I think all this push of the media for Sander's withdraw and what happened in Nevada just shows how rigged the system is. They changed the rules in Nevada just to give Clinton more delegates.
The Democratic party has to understand that 42% of Americans are independent and if they are trying to select the best candidate then they should hear all people. What they are doing now is trying to shutdown Sander's supporters and then blaming them.
I say this demands for a revolution: if the Democratic Party does not want our votes we should not vote for them at all.
The Democratic party has to understand that 42% of Americans are independent and if they are trying to select the best candidate then they should hear all people. What they are doing now is trying to shutdown Sander's supporters and then blaming them.
I say this demands for a revolution: if the Democratic Party does not want our votes we should not vote for them at all.
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I don't like the candidates, their supporters attacking each other like the eventual winner is going to doom America, just like a Republican victory. Both of them are morally better and far more experienced than that embarrassing game show host the Republicans have chosen. I see progressive civility returning and sincere handshakes across the aisle at the end for these two.
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Keen intelligence and dedication is perceived as coattailing that Clinton brand created for votes and (speaking tour) bucks, power and glory. Also damaging is the perception that her ambitious machinations in the marriage pushed President Honey Boo Boo Bill into his own presidential race long ago. History bites, too bad now for the best person for the job.
Hillary may have the Superdelegates, but Sanders has the heart of the primary voters. Polls show Sanders, not Hillary, can beat Trump. He needs to remain in the race because Hillary's FBI investigation will explode either with an indictment or with a series of devastating leaks which will force her to resign.
The Democrats were foolish to endorse such a weak , divisive person whose reputation for corruption and poor judgement make most of the base reject her.
Time to support Sanders if Democrats want to defeat Trump. Otherwise Trump will crush Lyin Hillary in November.
The Democrats were foolish to endorse such a weak , divisive person whose reputation for corruption and poor judgement make most of the base reject her.
Time to support Sanders if Democrats want to defeat Trump. Otherwise Trump will crush Lyin Hillary in November.
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“As she campaigned in Kentucky, Mrs. Clinton recalled the prosperity of the 1990s and appealed to voters who have fond memories of her husband, saying on Sunday that he would be “in charge of revitalizing the economy.”’
I suspected something like this was in the works from the get go. So so confirms it outright. Hillary is offering a two for one deal. For my part that makes the prospect of Hillary’s assent into the White House all the more unsavory.
The notion of Bill skulking in the shadows as First Man was bad enough, this however is beyond the pale.
Hang tough Bernie!
I suspected something like this was in the works from the get go. So so confirms it outright. Hillary is offering a two for one deal. For my part that makes the prospect of Hillary’s assent into the White House all the more unsavory.
The notion of Bill skulking in the shadows as First Man was bad enough, this however is beyond the pale.
Hang tough Bernie!
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As one who's voted Dem most of my life, even attended Gore and Clinton rallies, the idea of Bill back in the White House simply results in a visceral sense of YUCK.
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The last thing we need is Bill roaming the halls of the White House with nothing to do.
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The only reason that HRC is acting as the presumptive nominee is because of her stable of super-delegates, who have been bought and paid for by the Clinton machine. That's the equivalent of having an ace up your sleeve - you win the hand, but it's still cheating. Repealing Citizen's United won't solve this sort of rot.
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Bernie Sanders should speak o his supporters to refrain from violence. His supporters should quit acting out like spoiled children which most of them are. It disgusts me seeing the democratic party fall apart when the party should unite not amongst themselves but against the Trumpster. People get a grip.I have never seen such a disrespectful display of actions in Nevada by Bernie's supporters and he is condoning these actions by not stopping these violent actions which disappoints me on our view of Sanders.
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" Mr. Sanders wound up doing well in Kentucky’s coal regions ... ." So let me see if I've got this right. Sanders beat Clinton in West Virginia because he got the Obama-hating racist vote and almost beat Clinton in Kentucky because he got the renewable energy-hating coal vote. Plus, his refusal to unite the Democratic party behind Clinton -- vowing to fight to the last vote -- could very well result in a Trump victory in November. Which is to say: could result in the victory or a man who is the most unqualified person for president in the history of the Republic and, by almost any measure, a proto-fascist. Does that about cover it? And I'm supposed to consider Sanders a progressive? Go figure.
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I don't think it is accurate to Blame Senator Sanders for Secretary Clintons' poor showing in Kentucky. What dismays me most about this race is that Clinton supporters, from the get go, have denigrated not only Senator Sanders and his ideas, but his supporters. Frankly it doesn't surprise me at all. Clinton supporters were every bit as nasty and condescending toward Candidate Obama and his supporters. It starts at the top, and THAT is why Secretary Clinton is losing. Own it. The reason for it is staring out at you from every reflective surface.
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I don't denigrate Sanders. To the contrary, I agree with virtually everything he says. In fact, I find it thrilling to hear a major politician say what he says. But Bernie doesn't have a ground game. He's all Hail Mary passes -- all vision with no idea how to grind out yardage on the ground to get any part of his vision over the goal line. See, e.g., The Daily News interview. And I'm old enough to remember another "progressive" -- Ralph Nader -- whose campaign, by splitting the liberal vote, enabled W. Did you enjoy 8 years of W? I didn't. Do you really want that to happen again -- except worse since there is no precedent for Trump's awfulness? There comes a time -- and that time has come -- when it's necessary to compromise to defeat a greater evil.
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Bernie Sanders has nothing to lose since at 73 years of age he will not be back in four years (or eight) to run for President again. It's all or nothing for him, and he doesn't care what toll his continued lost cause of a candidacy takes on the Democratic Party or how much it helps Donald Trump. I find this extremely unfortunate for our country.
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I am disappointed in the apparent lack of mathematics skills of Sanders supporters. Clinton has 3 million more total votes than Sanders, and 2 million more than Trump.
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It's likely she won't have a clear majority by the convention and the outcome will rely on the superdelegates, who can switch up until they vote. (Note this is not to say that I expect many will switch to Sanders, but it's important to let the process play out.)
here is some more math for you:
average polls indicate: (as of today)
Clinton beats Trump by 5%
Sanders beats Trump by 13.5%
average polls indicate: (as of today)
Clinton beats Trump by 5%
Sanders beats Trump by 13.5%
Let the people decide...NOT corporate media.
Superdelegates....
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/18/oregon-goes-sanders-if-its-s...
Superdelegates....
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/18/oregon-goes-sanders-if-its-s...
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Unfortunately the writer ignored the real story of the Kentucky primary. Desperate to avoid a double defeat on Tuesday, HRC focused money and time on winning in Kentucky. Despite this focus and the fact that Kentucky is a closed primary, Clinton ends up with tie in delegates won in Kentucky and a solid defeat in Oregon.
One has to wonder was it arrogance, hubris or simple stupidity that made the Democratic elite choose such a vunerable and divisive candidate?
One has to wonder was it arrogance, hubris or simple stupidity that made the Democratic elite choose such a vunerable and divisive candidate?
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Given that Sanders wants a "revolution," can you really say that he is a progressive democrat? Not really. His is a righteous crusade to make the rich pay more - albeit he only paid 13 percent on his income taxes - much less than what he should have paid - okay, the rich except for him. And, it will bankrupt all of us. Oh ya, and democracy, I guess he is for it except when Hillary wins because then the system is rigged, but when he wins, it shows how the "people" are finally ready to revolt. Donald Trump is stupid and dangerous, but Bernie Sanders isn't far behind.
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I support Ms. Clinton. If Mr. Sanders is nominated, I will support him. You don't get to vote for the candidate you want, you have to vote for the best of two options. If you are a Democrat and you don't vote, you are voting for Trump.
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Whose supporters called our Senator Barbara Boxer the unspeakable "c" word in Las Vegas? Sanders - who would have no chance to beat Trump once the Repubs unleash the Sheldon Adelson-funded attack dogs on him, waving the hammer and sickle flag and playing the Soviet National Anthem.
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The purportedly unspeakable word that some women want to "reclaim". Cf. Jane Fonda. It's not so unspeakable after all, is it?
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As bad as many people are doing it appears the majority of Americans may do much worse with a none establishment candidate. Anger is no reason to disrupt the status quo. This is Mrs. Clinton's greatest strength. She will prevail because many Americans have 401K's, mutual funds, own homes, will need a mortgage and might want to actually have a private sector job. Many of these people actually vote.
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Funny how quiet the Republicans are about Old Bernie and Dangerous "Doctor" Jane. Not a peep. Not a whisper.
I guess their opposition research team has been unable to dig up anything.
I guess their opposition research team has been unable to dig up anything.
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All of the many Sanders supporters who vent their spleen in the comments sections of the NY Times every chance they get ought to be asking themselves one simple question. Why is it that if Hillary Clinton is such a weak candidate the Republicans are already spending vast amounts of money to attack her while not even trying to attack Sanders? If he is such a threat to Trump why aren't they spending a dime attacking him? It is almost...gasp... as if they are working hard to help Sanders get the nomination. Why would they go out of their way to give an assist to such a "powerful opponent" in the general election?
The behavior of the Republicans defies common sense if Sanders is really the great candidate that Sanders and his acolytes believe him to be. On the other hand, it is exactly what you'd expect them to do if they believe he would be far easier to beat in the general election. But heck, what do I know. I'm too dumb to see that Sanders is the second coming of FDR. To me he looks more like the second coming of George McGovern.
The behavior of the Republicans defies common sense if Sanders is really the great candidate that Sanders and his acolytes believe him to be. On the other hand, it is exactly what you'd expect them to do if they believe he would be far easier to beat in the general election. But heck, what do I know. I'm too dumb to see that Sanders is the second coming of FDR. To me he looks more like the second coming of George McGovern.
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Easy: because she's the frontrunner.
Since his shot at winning is mathematically next to impossible, one has to assume that ego is playing more than a little role in why Bernie is still in the race. Shame on him. But I also have to wonder about the crowds that continue to flock to his rallies. With much greater support than Bernie has mustered, we've seen how liberal programs fare when they make their way through the next layers of government. Take a dozen steps top the left, and they're all signing up for another 4 years of stalled and acrimonious government.
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I was on board the "Bernie go to the convention train" so that his supporters had a chance to vote their preferences. I thought it important that the progressive wing had a chance to voice their preferences. But the recent events in Nevada have given me pause. What could possibly justify threatening another person's life and the life of her family? Nothing. While Bernie did condemn it, he was quick to make excuses for the behavior and I am completely disillusioned with him. He can not control his 500 lb gorillas. If Bernie can not get his supporters to behave like civil human beings, what does this say about his leadership abilities?
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The Democrats have a predicament of their own, that they shouldn't underestimate. "Who will you vote for my friend?" that was the question I asked an older friend of mine, knowing that he is a conservative. He will not vote for Trump, but he will swing and vote for Bernie Sanders if he will be the democratic nominee. Would he vote for Hillary Clinton? "Never, ever," so he said. Many here in the swing state of Ohio think the same way, interesting enough, many are older republican voters.
As for Trump, he will throw dirt after either one of them, that's all he can do since he doesn't know anything about politics.
As for Trump, he will throw dirt after either one of them, that's all he can do since he doesn't know anything about politics.
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If Sanders really cared about Democrat victory against Trump he would begin laying the groundwork with his supporters for the inevitable nomination of Hillary
Clinton. He knows he has no chance for winning a majority of the pledged delegates or a majority of the super delegates. I believe Sanders should stay in the race through California, but he is beginning to sound like an angry old man beating up on his woman opponent with double entendres and innuendo. Dye his white hair orange and you would think he was Donald Trump inciting his supporters in opposition to Hillary Clinton.
Clinton. He knows he has no chance for winning a majority of the pledged delegates or a majority of the super delegates. I believe Sanders should stay in the race through California, but he is beginning to sound like an angry old man beating up on his woman opponent with double entendres and innuendo. Dye his white hair orange and you would think he was Donald Trump inciting his supporters in opposition to Hillary Clinton.
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I think it's pathetic how Bernie Sanders has evolved into a very negative politician--the kind we know so well. There's nothing special about him anymore. He's now coming across as a narcissist who's so in love with himself and the spotlight that he is sacrificing the Party. It makes me sick. Every time he comes on TV I mute him.
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What are you talking about? Bernie's words bring tears to our eyes, feed our souls with truth that he speaks, you must be allergic to old people, Glenn.
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Is anyone really surprised by the physical and verbal threats made by Bernie Sanders' supporters? Clearly, both Sanders' and Trump"s supporters, though representing different Political Parties, come to their belief in their candidates" promises from an emotional rather than philosophical basis. Both Sanders' and Trump's followers are acting like they are at a College pre-game football rally being urged on to cheer their team and dride their opponent's team. In the case of Sanders that other team is the Democratic Party.
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MSM pervasive suppression and negative distortion of candidate Sanders. DNC rigged primary with super delegates, proportional delegate splits and closed primaries. Against All that, Sanders and his platform rise up again and again.
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Even more fascinating than the race between Bernie and Hillary is the race that has developed in recent weeks between Bernie's principles and his ever-expanding ego. My money is on Bernie's ego.
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Sanders has a right to stay in the race. While it makes life tough for Clinton, it is good for democracy.
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It was very disappointing to read Sanders endorse the childish tantrums on display by his followers in Nevada. The pattern of bullying in caucus and on the web from Sanders supporters continues below with many of the usual suspects weighing in redux with the fact that they don't personally like the leading Democratic candidate who is now within 100 delegates of being assured of nomination: HILLARY CLINTON!
It is the right of disappointed backers of a runner up to act out, be disappointed, and demonstrate. Stevenson supporters, McCarthy supporters, and Ted Kennedy supporters all were indulged this dissent. But, it also is worth remembering that the Chicago Convention of '68 gave our nation two terms of Nixon.
Be careful what you wish for, yea disgruntled Sanders backers. I can remember stoner Yippee logic saying that having a really evil fellow like Dick Nixon in charge would 'hasten the onset of the Revolution.' - I also remember Cambodia and Kent State. A much larger youth movement at that time was able to muster impressive marches but Nixon dropped bombs. The closest we got to "Revolution" was Robert Kramer's "Ice" which the Times' Hilton Kramer loved, along with about 40 other people, and, Christopher Jones, ''Wild in the Streets,'' a stinker, now cult classic. It was about as mature and logical a film script as calling up or emailing the Nevada State Democratic chairman at home with death threats. Screaming is acting out. Death threats are not cool.
It is the right of disappointed backers of a runner up to act out, be disappointed, and demonstrate. Stevenson supporters, McCarthy supporters, and Ted Kennedy supporters all were indulged this dissent. But, it also is worth remembering that the Chicago Convention of '68 gave our nation two terms of Nixon.
Be careful what you wish for, yea disgruntled Sanders backers. I can remember stoner Yippee logic saying that having a really evil fellow like Dick Nixon in charge would 'hasten the onset of the Revolution.' - I also remember Cambodia and Kent State. A much larger youth movement at that time was able to muster impressive marches but Nixon dropped bombs. The closest we got to "Revolution" was Robert Kramer's "Ice" which the Times' Hilton Kramer loved, along with about 40 other people, and, Christopher Jones, ''Wild in the Streets,'' a stinker, now cult classic. It was about as mature and logical a film script as calling up or emailing the Nevada State Democratic chairman at home with death threats. Screaming is acting out. Death threats are not cool.
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I would personally invite all of Bernies spiritual children to ahead and vote for Trump. He fits their narrative and temperment. After their behavior in Nevda, they now appear to be petulant, vengeful adolescents. they have soiled whatever chances he had to be heard.
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You mistake the actions of a few as representing the character of all his supporters.
Even Bernie isn't apologizing for threatening children, Liz. He owns it, it was done in his name. You don't get to have angry tantrums and walk away and expect any adult to respect you.
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And yet again Bernie wins the progressive state, while Hillary wins the state that won't go blue in the general election no matter what.
I guess an ineffective one-term Trump presidency won't be so bad...
I guess an ineffective one-term Trump presidency won't be so bad...
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And Oregon WILL go blue no matter what, so your point is moot. What matters is the swing states, and Hillary is winning most of them, not Bernie.
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Bernie wins another "progressive" state to add to all his other progressive state wins in West Virginia, Indiana, Wyoming, Alaska, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho and Utah, which he will no doubt win in November.
In 2008 Hillary won: PA, OH, RI. MA, NJ, NY, CA, FL, NH, MI
BO won: MS, WY, LA, NE, AL, AK, GA, ID, KS, ND, UT
BO won: MS, WY, LA, NE, AL, AK, GA, ID, KS, ND, UT
At this point, Bernie Sanders is staying in the race for spite. His failure to rein in his supporters implies to me that he approves of their violence and intimidation tactics. By failing to apprise his supporters of the rules as he knew them when he decided to run as a Democrat, and egging them on in claiming the DNC is "unfair," he is showing himself to be nothing more than another manipulative, cynical politician. The United States is not Soviet Russia under Stalin.
Sanders is also running a dishonest campaign. Aside from breaking his promise to run a "positive" campaign, he is leading on his supporters with vague promises of free health care and free college. I don't think he's a stupid or naive man, so he MUST know that with any Congress he might have to face as president, the chances of him passing a single payer health plan are close to zero. And "free college?" It's not up to him to make state universities "free." If he was really running a decent, honest campaign with the interests of the people at heart, he would be telling his supporters what the chances of enacting any of these programs truly are.
Dishonest and cynical--yet this is the man who proclaims himself to be so righteous while every other candidate is "wrong."
Sanders is also running a dishonest campaign. Aside from breaking his promise to run a "positive" campaign, he is leading on his supporters with vague promises of free health care and free college. I don't think he's a stupid or naive man, so he MUST know that with any Congress he might have to face as president, the chances of him passing a single payer health plan are close to zero. And "free college?" It's not up to him to make state universities "free." If he was really running a decent, honest campaign with the interests of the people at heart, he would be telling his supporters what the chances of enacting any of these programs truly are.
Dishonest and cynical--yet this is the man who proclaims himself to be so righteous while every other candidate is "wrong."
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There is no reason she has to campaign against Trump at this time. That is by choice. Stop making it sound like Sanders is causing her problems with focus (or is it money?) Also, that she maybe won, by 1000 votes, is purely bragging rights. She has lost support on that state and Sanders supporters will be essential to maintain that 3% lead over Trump. Sharpen your pencils democratic lesders...you are getting the candidate of YOUR dreams, not the people's...and you have dark days ahead. More and more you can see that the whole process is rigged.
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Why don't you guys report what actually happened in Nevada? Like how Roberts Rules of Order were discarded, everything was done by voice vote and judged by the chairperson, or how they purposefully started ahead of time in order to disenfranchise those still in line.
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What a bunch of delusional whiners these Sanders supporters. If independents are truly aggrieved at the rigged Democratic nominating process, why did they not disrupt the establishment and register as Democrats much the same way Bernie switched in order to run for president? Maybe because they thought Bernie had a snowball's chance up until late February and now they want to change the rules in the bottom of the ninth inning. Passion is great but strategic planning and tactical execution win elections, not persistent whining and blame-laying. You have yourselves to blame for Bernie's dire predicament.
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The Republicans didn't like Trump all that much because he cares more about the people than the party. The Democrats don't like Sanders all that much because he cares more about the people than the party. Is this some sort of theme?
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Longshots, as everyone knows, surprise the heck out of those who believe it's their way, or the highway, and by June 6, Bernie Sanders may become the nominee, confirming that Boss Tweed, aka Hillary, the Great Pretender, was always the true longshot.
Less than three weeks away; I can hardly wait.
Less than three weeks away; I can hardly wait.
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To Mrs. Clinton's credit, she's demonstrated she's taking nothing for granted in this election, unlike many of her jittery supporters who seem to be demanding that Bernie drop out. I know it's unfathomable to think about. But somehow the most resilient, adroit, battle scarred creature in modern political history will have to figure out a way to hold on just a little longer while primary season winds down.
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Not to rain on anyone's parade. The Los Angeles Times headline was a bit more accurate stating "Clinton Claims Victory in Kentucky". Emphasis on the word "claims".
Notice that 46.8% + 46.3% doesn't equal 100%. The margin is apparently less than 2000 votes anyway and Sanders hasn't ruled out a recount. Once again, there are allegations of voting "irregularities". Even if things break in Clinton's favor, the margin won't make any difference. For Clinton, a tie is as good as a loss at this point. Admittedly, the same can be said for Sanders.
While Clinton is still almost guaranteed the nomination, she's done virtually nothing to address the concerns of the people voting against her. The campaign seeks to pivot towards Trump but Clinton still has a reckoning to face within her own party. For all the fluidity in her positions, I doubt Clinton is nimble enough to bat for both sides.
Things don't look good for Democrats in November.
Notice that 46.8% + 46.3% doesn't equal 100%. The margin is apparently less than 2000 votes anyway and Sanders hasn't ruled out a recount. Once again, there are allegations of voting "irregularities". Even if things break in Clinton's favor, the margin won't make any difference. For Clinton, a tie is as good as a loss at this point. Admittedly, the same can be said for Sanders.
While Clinton is still almost guaranteed the nomination, she's done virtually nothing to address the concerns of the people voting against her. The campaign seeks to pivot towards Trump but Clinton still has a reckoning to face within her own party. For all the fluidity in her positions, I doubt Clinton is nimble enough to bat for both sides.
Things don't look good for Democrats in November.
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I am surprised by how little she and the DNC have done to address the concerns of the Dems voting against her.
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Votes for "Uncommitted" make up the remaining 7%, not "irregularities."
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It speaks volumes that she hasn't put away the nomination by now. She started with a gift of super delegates and the support of the DNC. She's now struggling to finally defeat a 74 year old socialist senator from Vermont who broke with the Democratic Party and became an Independent. She will win the nomination but whether she can even motivate democrats to come out and vote for her is highly questionable given her dismal performance against Sanders.
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She's actually doing better than Obama was at this point, actually. And her lead against Obama was closer than Sanders is to her. So, no, her performance is not dismal.
But given Sanders isn't as close to Clinton as she was to Obama at this point, I'd say it is Sanders' performance that is dismal.
But given Sanders isn't as close to Clinton as she was to Obama at this point, I'd say it is Sanders' performance that is dismal.
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Hillary will win the nomination. That is just the reality. I am a Sanders supporter. HRC needs to have Sanders as her VP pick. This way everyone on the democratic side feels represented and, together, they will be unstoppable.
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I am a Sanders supporter as well. For a long time, I was resistant to the calls for Sanders as VP. But I am starting to see that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC have so badly damaged party unity by the clear shilling for HRC, that it may take Sanders agreeing to come aboard as VP to bring about party unity.
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I am reminded of the missionary zeal of past movement candidates like McGovern and Nader who, despite the moral purity of their cause, brought the Democratic Party to defeat. The results were Nixon + Watergate and Bush II + Iraq War. In Nader's case there was also a striking level of vanity that I fear may also infect the Senator from Vermont. If he does not rally behind Sec. Clinton I fear we may get a President Trump and that would be a disaster unlike anything we have seen in the USA.
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Gotta love America! Here's a former Goldwater Girl branding her opponent a "loose cannon."
Will she have the gall to brand Sen. Sanders a "criminal" for his conviction for resisting arrest at a demonstration against segregation when she was president of the "Young Republicans" club at Wellesley?
Will she have the gall to brand Sen. Sanders a "criminal" for his conviction for resisting arrest at a demonstration against segregation when she was president of the "Young Republicans" club at Wellesley?
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"former Goldwater Girl". When she was 17. Since then she has championed women's rights, served the underserved and been a champion of education. And tried to get universal healthcare passed. Do try to keep up.
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While Clinton was a Goldwater girl, Bernie was a rape fantasist. Hopefully we are allowed to change, grow and develop as we mature.
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You could make a case that Trump is so repugnant that Bernie could actually win. But what a gamble. Look what Trump has accomplished so far.
I've changed my opinion of Bernie. I no longer think he would lose to the astounding degree George McGovern did (-49 states) but Bernie would almost certainly lose. But if you want to roll the dice on handing over all 3 branches of government plus the supreme court to the Republicans, go Bernie!
I've changed my opinion of Bernie. I no longer think he would lose to the astounding degree George McGovern did (-49 states) but Bernie would almost certainly lose. But if you want to roll the dice on handing over all 3 branches of government plus the supreme court to the Republicans, go Bernie!
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Polls say Sanders beats Trump by 13%
Polls say Clinton beats Trump by 5%
So who is really gambeling
Polls say Clinton beats Trump by 5%
So who is really gambeling
Hillary has her baggage and shortcomings, but can stand up to Trump. Trump would dispatch with Sanders as quickly as he did JEB and the other 15.
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I wonder after four years who will have more wars under their belt, HRC or Trump?
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Hillary already voted for at least two of them -Iraq and Afghanistan- so the former is more likely to have more wars.
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Clinton's claim of victory is still too close to call at this point. She won't win California, despite polls showing a modest lead.
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1. Clinton’s lead is not modest. Polling averages have it 9%. 2. She doesn’t need to ‘win’ California to secure the nomination.
For Sanders to have a chance at surpassing Clinton in pledged delegates he needs to earn about 70% of the vote in California.
For Sanders to have a chance at surpassing Clinton in pledged delegates he needs to earn about 70% of the vote in California.
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how m,any polls have you seen showing hrc w a modest lead, and then sanders trounces her
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Nate Silver gives Clinton a 90 percent probability of winning California based on his strongest analytical tool: actual polling statistics.
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I have totally lost respect for Sanders. Allowing - encouraging! - violence because he is frustrated and losing IS NOT AN OPTION. Hillary Clinton is so clearly the better candidate it is no longer even an issue.
When did Bernie decide being Trump was the way to go!? You have lost me Bernie!
Hillary Clinton in November. No the choice is possible.
When did Bernie decide being Trump was the way to go!? You have lost me Bernie!
Hillary Clinton in November. No the choice is possible.
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No one is encouraging violence except perhaps Trump and his supporters.
The word violence in relation to what happened in Nevada is also rather disingenuous. It seems the extent of it was shouting and an incident of chair throwing. No one was hurt and no arrests were made.
The word violence in relation to what happened in Nevada is also rather disingenuous. It seems the extent of it was shouting and an incident of chair throwing. No one was hurt and no arrests were made.
Clinton supporters should not be ruffled by a little harsh language.
Sanders supporters should realize that a President Trump would not be stopped by any amount of harsh language.
Sanders supporters should realize that a President Trump would not be stopped by any amount of harsh language.
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Basically what we have is that
1. Team 1 & 2 decide to play football, agreeing to all the rules that are in place.
2. Team 1 is winning based on those rules but all during the game Team 2 says the rules are unfair when they lose a point.
3. It is 4th quarter and Team 1 is still winning most points. Team 2 continues to holler Unfair and then says
We should be playing by the rules of soccer not football because we are better at soccer!
Of course no one bothers to ask Team 2 the most important question:
"Hey if you were winning by the rules to which you agree would you still want to switch to play by soccer rules?"
Thought not.
1. Team 1 & 2 decide to play football, agreeing to all the rules that are in place.
2. Team 1 is winning based on those rules but all during the game Team 2 says the rules are unfair when they lose a point.
3. It is 4th quarter and Team 1 is still winning most points. Team 2 continues to holler Unfair and then says
We should be playing by the rules of soccer not football because we are better at soccer!
Of course no one bothers to ask Team 2 the most important question:
"Hey if you were winning by the rules to which you agree would you still want to switch to play by soccer rules?"
Thought not.
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As some wise man once said "It ain't over till it's over".
If the purpose of the super delegates was to ensure that in the end they intervene to make sure the best candidate is nominated.. then they should be nominating Bernie Sanders. He has a much better chance of beating Trump.
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Rome had some bad emperors but for a long time they had a good Senate (SPQR... the Senate and People of Rome).
America doesn't even have a good Senate.
Woe is us.
America doesn't even have a good Senate.
Woe is us.
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But our President has a net favorable rating.
Too bad the people on this comment board don't agree with the majority of Americans about Obama.
Too bad the people on this comment board don't agree with the majority of Americans about Obama.
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I find it highly ironic that Hillary is enlisting her husband to oversee the second most important Presidential task after national defense: the economy.
Some feminist, she.
Some feminist, she.
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Probably because he delivered the last surplus we had. To Bush. Who squandered it.
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if Mrs Clinton is the nominee and loses the election it will be due to those who for whatever reason, pique, anger, frustration etc., do not vote. The outcome in this scenario is potentially devasting to our Democracy and if this is the case we may deserve it, but our kids don't.
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I dunno... Do you get out in public much? There are some pretty awful kids out there.
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Oh, if Hillary looses to The Donald it's Bernie's fault. NOTHING is ever Hillary's fault.
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I listened to Bernie last night and like the ranting old man he is he's sounding shrill and angry. He's lost and while he has every right to continue he gives no indication of wanting to unite his party after the primary season is over. Here's the sad part, he's an independent socialist from Vermont, declares himself a Democrat, runs for president and will suffer no significant consequences if he loses and then doesn't enthusiastically embrace the Democratic nominee.
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Ageism! Ranting old man sounds like you are swearing
It's amazing to witness the Democratic establishment's strategy with Bernie Sanders. Right now, although most won't say it publicly, they would like for him to pick up his toys and go home. This is advice that a presidential candidate who was simply interested in power might follow (though it took Hillary a long time last time she ran!). What they don't get is that Bernie is all about concrete issues that are vital to the nation's very survival. Therefore he will do anything that is legally and morally possible to make sure his views prevail. In other words, he is a true hero.
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Putting Bill in charge of "revitalizing the economy" is such a misstep. If she gets the nomination, which is likely, I'll grudgingly vote for her (I support Bernie). However, because of the inevitable drama that always surrounds them, most people want fewer Clintons rather than more.
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I have this surreal Twilight Zone-esque feeling about this election.
The Rs have a bona fide TV star (with all that portends) who is winning their nomination by performing a 9-month long tasteless stand-up political comedy routine. Every other statement in his "stump speech" ends with "tremendous", "huge" and "believe me". And it's WORKING!
The Ds along with mass media (NYTs totally included) are trying to cram Hillary down our throats. They know we don't trust her. They know there's a significant risk of her losing to Trump (NOT true with Sanders) but don't care - they want who they want.
In the end, a voter's dilemma is to vote his/her conscience (and RISK flushing this country down the toilet with a R victory) OR acquiese to Establishment arm twisting and vote for their lying, conniving, slick willy political beast.
The Rs have a bona fide TV star (with all that portends) who is winning their nomination by performing a 9-month long tasteless stand-up political comedy routine. Every other statement in his "stump speech" ends with "tremendous", "huge" and "believe me". And it's WORKING!
The Ds along with mass media (NYTs totally included) are trying to cram Hillary down our throats. They know we don't trust her. They know there's a significant risk of her losing to Trump (NOT true with Sanders) but don't care - they want who they want.
In the end, a voter's dilemma is to vote his/her conscience (and RISK flushing this country down the toilet with a R victory) OR acquiese to Establishment arm twisting and vote for their lying, conniving, slick willy political beast.
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Bernie is not vetted enough! Bernie and his supporters are full of slogans but no real plans that can be implemented or worked thro a divided Congress. Bumper sticker slogan does not help someone to hold the office of Presidency. His supporters engage in violent actions and if he cannot control his own group of supporters-they may be few-how can he govern the country? Again and again Bernie fails to come up with concrete plans for his slogans when newspaper editorial board interviews him. If the media and the Trump campaign ask tough questions his number will drop to near zero. The Bernie or bust group deserve Trump if they decide not to vote. It will be interesting to watch them engage in violent actions with Trumpolini as President. They will nto see the light of the day for at least 8 years or never!
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ho-hum . . . the only "vetting" that matters is by wealthy donors who ever expect greater quid-pro-quo ROI and who for obvious reasons will never support Sanders. so it's up to us $27 contributors.
. . . and that "divided Congress" dilemma - for ANY president - restores to voters - that would be me and you, Bhanu - the mandate to elect reps who are not OBSTACLES to nation-building governance.
. . . and Sanders' plans are in fact, and in current politically-constipated context, as concrete and utilitarian and realizable as any offered by Clinton or Trump either via website or speech or press interview.
. . . and that "divided Congress" dilemma - for ANY president - restores to voters - that would be me and you, Bhanu - the mandate to elect reps who are not OBSTACLES to nation-building governance.
. . . and Sanders' plans are in fact, and in current politically-constipated context, as concrete and utilitarian and realizable as any offered by Clinton or Trump either via website or speech or press interview.
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In "Bernie Sanders Facing Pressure Over Supporters’ Actions in Nevada" by Yamiche Alcindor, none of the questionable behavior by the chair of the Nevada Democratic party was reported on, making the situation look like an unprovoked attack by Sanders supporters.
However, as made clear in this article, http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-what-happened..., the chair of the convention disenfranchised Sanders delegates arbitrarily, created her own motions and passed them without giving opponents an opportunity to vote against them. And there was much more corrupt behavior.
As far as I can tell, the Times has not seen fit to cover that, again twisting its reporting to favor its chosen candidate, Ms. Clinton.
You should also be sure to view the video in the linked article titled Internal coup in the Democratic party.
The Times reporting is as corrupt as its favored candidate and her operatives.
However, as made clear in this article, http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-what-happened..., the chair of the convention disenfranchised Sanders delegates arbitrarily, created her own motions and passed them without giving opponents an opportunity to vote against them. And there was much more corrupt behavior.
As far as I can tell, the Times has not seen fit to cover that, again twisting its reporting to favor its chosen candidate, Ms. Clinton.
You should also be sure to view the video in the linked article titled Internal coup in the Democratic party.
The Times reporting is as corrupt as its favored candidate and her operatives.
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And yesterday's article focused on the death threats instead of what happened in Nevada.
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Try reading a different article from a much more reliable source: https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sour-grapes-revolution-rocked-paris-...
Ralston has been covering Nevada politics for decades and is no friend of Clinton. The anger and cynicism of the Sanders campaign is directly responsible for the bad behavior of his supporters in Nevada. You shouldn't dismiss critical coverage of Sanders by the Times and other media sources just cause it doesn't fit your image of Bernie.
Ralston has been covering Nevada politics for decades and is no friend of Clinton. The anger and cynicism of the Sanders campaign is directly responsible for the bad behavior of his supporters in Nevada. You shouldn't dismiss critical coverage of Sanders by the Times and other media sources just cause it doesn't fit your image of Bernie.
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That article, scb919f7, glosses over what happened that led to the controversy. Maybe you need to check your sources.
When Sanders fails to secure the nomination, I nevertheless hope his supports put signs on their lawns leading up to the general election. Just like I will use the Trump signs to know who of my neighbors are racists, xenophobes, infantile and utterly without a brain.....I will use the Sanders signs to see which of my neighbors are idealists, divorced from reality, and devoted to fanciful goals at the expense of salvaging this country. I want to know who the Trump people are for my safety, I want to know who the Sanders people are for my sanity.
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@Ricky:
So...anyone who is not part of the Establishment or who dares to disagree with them is just crazy and dangerous.
lol...
So...anyone who is not part of the Establishment or who dares to disagree with them is just crazy and dangerous.
lol...
Your name calling and demonization of your neighbors who may very well be voting for Trump because they see some hope (however misguided) in his plans for the economy does nothing to help our nation.
Recount the Kentucky vote.
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Fact: the demographics of Kentucky and Oregon favor Sanders, according to the statistical genius Nate Silver on his site 538.
Fact: Sanders needed to get over 60% of the votes of the remaining states in order to clinch the nomination. Last night he failed to do this; he narrowly lost Kentucky and won Oregon, but the latter wasn't a rout.
Fact: In these comments one can see that the above facts are not stopping sour, or even bitter, grapes from Bernie's supporters.
In recent days some of Sanders' supporters have become violent, in spite of Bernie who supposedly does not condone violence. (See yesterday's news on the Democratic convention in Nevada.)
Bernie does not condone. Nor does he lead. And he isn't winning.
Fact: Sanders needed to get over 60% of the votes of the remaining states in order to clinch the nomination. Last night he failed to do this; he narrowly lost Kentucky and won Oregon, but the latter wasn't a rout.
Fact: In these comments one can see that the above facts are not stopping sour, or even bitter, grapes from Bernie's supporters.
In recent days some of Sanders' supporters have become violent, in spite of Bernie who supposedly does not condone violence. (See yesterday's news on the Democratic convention in Nevada.)
Bernie does not condone. Nor does he lead. And he isn't winning.
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Really, NY Times you are looking increasingly ridiculous as the unparalleled newspaper of record and epitome of high journalism when your headline reads "Bernie Sanders Wins Oregon; Hillary Declares Victory in Kentucky."
Then we read the article to find out that Sanders won by 9% points in Oregon (54.5% for Sanders; 45.5% for Clinton), while Hillary's "Victory" in Kentucky was by half of one percent or .5% points (46.8% for Clinton; 46.3% for Sanders).
Take this article to a college journalism class and ask the students, what's wrong with this "reporting"?
Then we read the article to find out that Sanders won by 9% points in Oregon (54.5% for Sanders; 45.5% for Clinton), while Hillary's "Victory" in Kentucky was by half of one percent or .5% points (46.8% for Clinton; 46.3% for Sanders).
Take this article to a college journalism class and ask the students, what's wrong with this "reporting"?
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The candidate with 3 million more votes will win. And it will be sweet to say Madam President next January!
She will win for all of us who have been in the workforce and won the promotions with double the work, who have been denigrated as b***y for daring to ask for pay that we rightly earnings, for being purposely excluded and overlooked. We made it. Inch by inch from the suffragettes to the White House.
Hillary 2016!
She will win for all of us who have been in the workforce and won the promotions with double the work, who have been denigrated as b***y for daring to ask for pay that we rightly earnings, for being purposely excluded and overlooked. We made it. Inch by inch from the suffragettes to the White House.
Hillary 2016!
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Grace,
I can appreciate that the most important thing for you is that a female ends up as President. I would prefer that the next President be trustworthy, honest, admired and have a vision for the country and if that person was a female so much the better. As for the 3 million votes...would it still be 3 million if the caucus states that Bernie won counted votes? I don;t think so....
I can appreciate that the most important thing for you is that a female ends up as President. I would prefer that the next President be trustworthy, honest, admired and have a vision for the country and if that person was a female so much the better. As for the 3 million votes...would it still be 3 million if the caucus states that Bernie won counted votes? I don;t think so....
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Amen!
Be very careful NYT. Can you say for certain that "death threats" allegedly made against Nevada's democratic party chair came from supporters of Senator Sanders? Can you verify that? What is the possibility that the alleged threats came from people wanting to discredit Senator Sanders? Loose talk and sloppy reporting about such matters is not what your readers expect. "Last weekend, bitter feelings from Mr. Sanders’s supporters spilled into view at Nevada’s state convention, which descended into chaos, prompted death threats against Nevada’s Democratic chairwoman..." is not directly saying Sanders supporters made death threats but that is the insinuation. Who exactly made a death threat, and was that person really a Sanders supporter? More importantly, what had the Nevada democratic party leadership done to make Sanders supporters feel so betrayed? Where are the details on that story? Where is your attention to this?
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I'm old enough to remember the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago where I lived at the time. Democrats getting violent with each other, and then Nixon won, leading to expanding the Vietnam war to Cambodia, the Kent State killings & Watergate. Support for Sanders shouldn't lead to such disunity that the Republicans win in November.
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What's the difference among Bush,Clinton & Saudi dynasty?
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What's the difference between Trump and Sanders?
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Pick me! Pick me! I know the answer to that one...
Saudi dynasty owns Bush and Clinton....
Saudi dynasty owns Bush and Clinton....
I'm not sure which direction Bernie is heading towards: is he leading? Or, is he following?
His leadership style is not giving me any comfort at the moment.
Whatever one may think about the events of Nevada, there will be a partisan perspective. But, even if the Sanders campaign was wronged, there are avenues to raise that. Organize a protest, write about it, talk to the media, raise it with DNC, with the courts if needed. That's democracy.
But, what's not democratic or civil or brave is making threats to the volunteer chair of the event. Whatever her conduct, there's a responsible way to challenge and protest that.
It doesn't take any moral courage for anyone to condemn that behavior and to tell people that behavior is not acceptable.
Senator Sanders: you're a visionary and a principled man. You have a right to contest any action that you feel is wrong. But, you also have an obligation to reign in bad behavior. That's what leaders do. They lead. Morally and by their actions.
His leadership style is not giving me any comfort at the moment.
Whatever one may think about the events of Nevada, there will be a partisan perspective. But, even if the Sanders campaign was wronged, there are avenues to raise that. Organize a protest, write about it, talk to the media, raise it with DNC, with the courts if needed. That's democracy.
But, what's not democratic or civil or brave is making threats to the volunteer chair of the event. Whatever her conduct, there's a responsible way to challenge and protest that.
It doesn't take any moral courage for anyone to condemn that behavior and to tell people that behavior is not acceptable.
Senator Sanders: you're a visionary and a principled man. You have a right to contest any action that you feel is wrong. But, you also have an obligation to reign in bad behavior. That's what leaders do. They lead. Morally and by their actions.
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Reverse the situation: nearly 20% of all the delegates in the race (without which, in a close race neither Sanders nor Clinton could cinch the nomination) were pre-emptively awarded to Sanders at the beginning of the primaries without a single vote being cast. How would that have changed the dynamic, endless public and media commentary, and perceptions among democratic primary voters?
Yet despite that, Sanders has done remarkably well and continues to defeat Hillary in state after state. I suspect he might win CA as well - a delegate-rich state.
This result points to the fundamental appeal of Sanders and the very real policy and personal differences between he and Clinton.
I find many comments here with the phrase "you Sanders people." I find that appalling. Substitute "you black people" to see just how derogatory that phrase is.
Yet despite that, Sanders has done remarkably well and continues to defeat Hillary in state after state. I suspect he might win CA as well - a delegate-rich state.
This result points to the fundamental appeal of Sanders and the very real policy and personal differences between he and Clinton.
I find many comments here with the phrase "you Sanders people." I find that appalling. Substitute "you black people" to see just how derogatory that phrase is.
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A poor showing for Clinton yesterday - her "win" in KY is one whose margin I believe no less a personage than Mr. Spock would characterize as "A difference that makes no difference is no difference," and a significant loss in Oregon.
"Vulnerabilities" is the TIMES's polite way of identifying what the rest of us recognize as flaws. Clinton is a deeply flawed candidate and that is her major vulnerability. Her remark a couple of days ago about how she is "going to put my husband in charge of the economy. . ." was typical of the kind of thoughtless blunder she is prone to, and a crass way of saying if she isn't up to it, he is. As it is, the notion that a vote for Hillary is a vote for Hillary and Bill, giving her husband a sort third term in office through the back door, was distasteful and reeked of nepotism. One would think she would know better by now. She has to make too many U-turns, or the British say, "climb-downs".
Clinton claiming "victory" in a primary that she scarcely won by less five tenths of 1% and in which the delegates will be split between the two candidates, in a state that should have fallen into her lap like a ripe plum, is also typical of the kind of political tone-deafness that voters on both sides of the aisle are so very, very tired of. This isn't the half-mile sprint n the Olympics: it's a gauge of voter support and interest.
A bad night for Mrs. Clinton and a good one for someone looking to push the party platform farther left.
"Vulnerabilities" is the TIMES's polite way of identifying what the rest of us recognize as flaws. Clinton is a deeply flawed candidate and that is her major vulnerability. Her remark a couple of days ago about how she is "going to put my husband in charge of the economy. . ." was typical of the kind of thoughtless blunder she is prone to, and a crass way of saying if she isn't up to it, he is. As it is, the notion that a vote for Hillary is a vote for Hillary and Bill, giving her husband a sort third term in office through the back door, was distasteful and reeked of nepotism. One would think she would know better by now. She has to make too many U-turns, or the British say, "climb-downs".
Clinton claiming "victory" in a primary that she scarcely won by less five tenths of 1% and in which the delegates will be split between the two candidates, in a state that should have fallen into her lap like a ripe plum, is also typical of the kind of political tone-deafness that voters on both sides of the aisle are so very, very tired of. This isn't the half-mile sprint n the Olympics: it's a gauge of voter support and interest.
A bad night for Mrs. Clinton and a good one for someone looking to push the party platform farther left.
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Bush won FL by a few hundred votes out of several millions, and as Spock would say "a difference that makes no difference is no difference" except Spock would be wrong.
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And Nixon actually beat JFK in Chicago by quite a bit more than that but decided not to make an issue of the alleged corruption for the sake of the country. JFK won the general election by about 100,000 votes.
I did not suggest that the outcome did not make a difference. But in the case of the KY primary, it really is a difference that makes no difference: the delegates are being split between the two, if you read the rest of the sentence, and Clinton claiming victory is virtually nonsensical. Unlike Bush and JFK, she is not heading to the Oval Office on the basis of this primary.
I did not suggest that the outcome did not make a difference. But in the case of the KY primary, it really is a difference that makes no difference: the delegates are being split between the two, if you read the rest of the sentence, and Clinton claiming victory is virtually nonsensical. Unlike Bush and JFK, she is not heading to the Oval Office on the basis of this primary.
Hillary 'That's What They Offered' Clinton has been campaigning since 2008. She has the entire democratic establishment by her side, starting from the chairperson to most every party official nationally and in each state, overtly or covertly. The media has been rooting for her from the get go. Yet, she has been unable to win in open contests, even in left leaning states. In case you forgot, the general election is an open contest, not a closed democrats only affair. She is still a long way off from sealing the nomination. Perhaps the people are not as dumb as the establishment and the media want or imagine them to be.
Sanders is authentic. His trustworthiness and positive ratings far surpass hers. Having good judgment is more important than a carpetbagging two-fer that lacks judgment, is militaristic and corporatist. Vote for a new direction for the country instead of the same old bickering, self-serving, self-aggrandizing politics.
Sanders is authentic. His trustworthiness and positive ratings far surpass hers. Having good judgment is more important than a carpetbagging two-fer that lacks judgment, is militaristic and corporatist. Vote for a new direction for the country instead of the same old bickering, self-serving, self-aggrandizing politics.
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I was truly appalled by the scathing rebuke by DNC Chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schutlz of Bernie Sanders for his (in her opinion) insufficient condemnation of some of his supporters in Nevada. It is clear from her attitude that Sanders is nothing but a nuisance to be eliminated at the earliest opportunity. Bernie supporters will not be shamed or bullied as a result of the actions of a few. He is a genuine candidate that keeps on winning. After her rant don't think I could ever bring myself to vote for Hillary Clinton.
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Watching Bernie Sanders giving his studied victory speech after his Oregon win, seeing his smirk after egging on the crowd to boo the Democratic establishment for wanting him to drop out it became quite clear to me: this election is no longer about America and a so-called social revolution, it is all about Bernie Sanders and an awakened ego that makes him ruthlessly barrel towards the Trump cliff. His followers want him to do a third party run knowing fully well that it would with great certainty coronate the unspeakable one. Whatever respect I had for him is all gone. This man wants to elbow his way into a nomination knowing fully well that the ensuing turmoil will hurt and weaken the Democrats.
Bernie Sanders has tasted the sweet fruit of power, the one that corrupts and damages what was once a cherished cause. It will now have to take a backseat to his personal aspirations.
Bernie Sanders has tasted the sweet fruit of power, the one that corrupts and damages what was once a cherished cause. It will now have to take a backseat to his personal aspirations.
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After every primary, Bernie declares he has a road to victory, a path still open. At first it was just winning primaries, then he declared he would win every primary by 55% then after New York, he said he would get the needed 60%, having failed continuously to reach those goals, he now tells his supporters the path is still there he will win 70% of future primaries and catch up to Clinton by convincing super delegates to jump from the lead ship to his sinking ship.
Congressional races will not go well for Democrats if they are tied to his massive tax increases for the middle class. That is how they will be described and perceived in a general election. All but four of California's Democratic Congressmen and both of our US Senators strongly endorse Hillary because knowing both parties, they believe Hillary can win and lead this country.
His false promises to his constituents only fuels the anger that was displayed in Nevada last week. It is time for him to think of the country and bow out. All he is doing now is helping Trump.
Congressional races will not go well for Democrats if they are tied to his massive tax increases for the middle class. That is how they will be described and perceived in a general election. All but four of California's Democratic Congressmen and both of our US Senators strongly endorse Hillary because knowing both parties, they believe Hillary can win and lead this country.
His false promises to his constituents only fuels the anger that was displayed in Nevada last week. It is time for him to think of the country and bow out. All he is doing now is helping Trump.
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With each additional day he defiantly remains in the race, Sanders is doing an excellent job of increasing the chances for a Trump presidency. This is starting to look a lot more like a bizarre personality cult-driven expression of Bern's ego than a viable quest for the nomination. Not that I object to any personality cult featuring throngs of adoring young people worshipping an old guy (on the contrary, I hope this starts a trend). But for Hillary - and women in general - to be denied an office that she and they have worked so hard for, because of this? Incredible.
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So he should drop out before the primary is over? Laughable.
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"Kentucky is one of the nation’s biggest coal-mining states, and Mrs. Clinton stressed her commitment to coal miners.
“We can’t and we must not walk away from them,” she said on Sunday at a rally in Fort Mitchell. “I feel such a sense of obligation.”"
She ALSO said she would put a LOT of coal companies & coal miners out of work. This double-talk is a big problem for Clinton when voters go to the polls.
“We can’t and we must not walk away from them,” she said on Sunday at a rally in Fort Mitchell. “I feel such a sense of obligation.”"
She ALSO said she would put a LOT of coal companies & coal miners out of work. This double-talk is a big problem for Clinton when voters go to the polls.
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The biggest problem the Democrats face during this election season is the appearance of rigging. In my view (to borrow an oft-used Bernie phrase), the DNC has allowed at least the appearance of rigging in keeping Ms Wasserman-Schultz at the helm; the superdelegate system has preselected the candidate, voters be damned; the Times has none too subtly undermined Senator Sanders--perhaps understandable in light of their early endorsement of Secretary Clinton, but short-sighted when one considers how this has not only hurt their reputation for unbiased news coverage among many of their own readers, but also eroded support for Mrs. Clinton with a large chunk of the electorate. This is a more balanced article in that Senator Sanders is presented in a more neutral way than in so many dismissive earlier pieces and more frank about Secretary Clinton's vulnerabilities. However, the comment about her need to fight on two fronts does not address the question of why this is so and fuels the push by her supporters to force Sanders out before everyone has voted, which is rightly seen by Sanders supporters as unfair. Given the support Senator Sanders has amassed in a relatively short time, it is in the Party's interest to give everyone a chance to vote, and to give the Sanders Democrats proportional input on the platform--and in Secretary Clinton's interest to start now to mollify the significant proportion of Democrats and independents who have embraced Senator Sanders' ideas.
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Two more closed primaries and Sanders still won both the popular vote and gained in delegates... He'll clean Hillary's clock in California, which is open...
This Hillary-rigged process ain't over yet, Folks!
This Hillary-rigged process ain't over yet, Folks!
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I will say this as simply as I can. There is only one person who can defeat Donald Trump in November and his name is Bernie Sanders. Period.
The Clintons have had their day, the people are demanding real change this time. It's time to bring the corruption in our system of government to an end and build anew.
A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Donald Trump- just so you understand.
The Clintons have had their day, the people are demanding real change this time. It's time to bring the corruption in our system of government to an end and build anew.
A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Donald Trump- just so you understand.
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Clinton's on a losing streak. Voters have noticed her lack of authenticity - notably after flip-flopping on coal. They don't trust her, nor do I.
Clinton's best play for the Democratic party to beat Turmp is to support Sanders on the ticket.
Clinton's best play for the Democratic party to beat Turmp is to support Sanders on the ticket.
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The media has not scrutinized Sanders carefully. He and his wife, Jane, have not released their tax returns. This may be connected with reports that she may have been self-dealing when as president of a small Vermont College, she received a large loan to buy lakefront property on Lake Champlain. The college recently went bankrupt.
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Donald Trump's most effective campaign tool: Bernie Sanders.
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I'm amazed at the dislike that Democrats, including women, have for Hillary Clinton! Just because she's a successful woman - a man (like Donald Trump) is excused his behavior and wealth (bankruptcies, eminent domain, Trump University), his infidelities (Hillary stood by her husband's). She's campaigned for world wide women's rights, was an amazing Secretary of State in a man's world, and a mother too. So why is everyone against her? I'm for her - Sen. Sanders is not my brother! His anger is ridiculous! His promises will never be realized and I the average voter will cringe at his weird socialism.
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world wide women's rights
And that's the problem with Hillary. It is always the World, never the United States of America. She supports the same nonsense as Bill Gates and the rest of the take care of everyone but us crowd. And people wonder why we prefer captain comb-over.
And that's the problem with Hillary. It is always the World, never the United States of America. She supports the same nonsense as Bill Gates and the rest of the take care of everyone but us crowd. And people wonder why we prefer captain comb-over.
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Barbara, I'm a professional woman, albeit younger than HRC. I don't dislike her because of the things you listed but rather I have not heard of any domestic policies she has championed and helped passed on a national level that has benefitted my life or those of ordinary people directly. She was against issues like the minimum wage and a national health care plan until she was pushed to address it by Sanders. And that part about her being a mother? I abhor identity politics being foisted on me. I don't automatically put women on a pedestal just because they had children. And sure they juggle their career with other responsibilities - my mother raised us singlehandedly -- but so does everyone else. This society seems to value women who are moms but does not have the same respect for women who are not.
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You are so right Barrbara--the naivete of so many in this election is nearly unbearable. Trump supporters think he will magically "make America great again," while Bernie supporters think a political outsider with no allies--in our own government, let alone around the world, will be able to get things done internationally or with an already hostile Congress. These are the same folks who sit out every mid-term election and then carp about nothing getting done in government. So sick of a woman having to answer for everything while two old men get off scott free with softball questions and fawning supporters. Makes me sick. Go Hillary!
She's going to lose in November, and it won't be because of Bernie Sanders. It will be because she's a Republican. The Dem Party as we know it is dead and gone, but the Party leaders just don't know it yet. I look forward to a new party rising from the rubble.
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Kentucky is Iowa revisited. Iowa was a virtual tie and should have been subjected to a strict recount. For Hillary Clinton to declare victory before all the votes are counted is absurd. It should be against the rules. Yet the old Gray Lady (NYTimes) places the deception right into the headline. It's bad enough that the unfair anachronism of the "superdelate rule" still prevails in the Democratic Party primary race. This rule, going back to Mondale & Carter, does little to guarantee free and fair elections. It harkens back to the elitism of our founding fathers who did not trust "ordinary citizens" with the task of choosing their president. Is is any wonder that our young people (as well as many seniors like myself) are angry and distrustful of the political process? I, for one, for the first time in my life, yearn for a Parliamentary System, such as Great Britain has. The best part? They can only campaign for 6 weeks! What a pleasure that would be.
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Why has the Clinton campaign repeatedly accuse the Sanders camp of undermining her presidential bid. Is it his fault that she has a 45% unfavorable rating; is it his fault that the democratic has tilted the system in favor of Clinton; is it his fault that primaries in Nevada and Iowa were literally stolen from him. Why should he drop out only to deny the people the right of their vote. Only Hillary can repair Hillary! How can Sanders supporters accept and vote for for Hillary who represents all that is wrong with politics and the electoral process! To say that Hillary( with a 45% disapproval)is the only hope to stop Trump iS false , hyperbolic and disingenuous!
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There are serious issues with both the RNC and the DNC and the leadership of each has been abysmal. Now the proverbial chickens are coming home to roost with the presumptive nominees with Donald Trump and a very divisive strong division within the Democratic Party that focused on the ordination of Hillary Clinton from the very beginning. Though Ms. Clinton is a 'flawed candidate" as often described and in the pockets of Wall Street et al, the DNC could have and should have encouraged a broader participation at the outset. But they, and the DWS and the DNC did not.
Then Senator Sanders entered the campaign and stood up against the establishment , engendering great enthusiasm,even as late as yesterday in CA.
All candidates this cycle have flaws, some more than others. I personally have respected Bernie Sanders. message. I hope he carries his message to Philadelphia and that it will bring a second look at the problems within the DNC as well as the serious issues of equity. If that were to occur then I would feel progress has made made.
Without that, America better watch as we may be bound for the regressive "Make America great again' and the "Trumpster"
Then Senator Sanders entered the campaign and stood up against the establishment , engendering great enthusiasm,even as late as yesterday in CA.
All candidates this cycle have flaws, some more than others. I personally have respected Bernie Sanders. message. I hope he carries his message to Philadelphia and that it will bring a second look at the problems within the DNC as well as the serious issues of equity. If that were to occur then I would feel progress has made made.
Without that, America better watch as we may be bound for the regressive "Make America great again' and the "Trumpster"
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Sure he'll stay in--his ego wants to continue has misleading followers he can "win" or have a "brokered convention". Instead of would rather put himself over the good of the country: unifying the country against a crypto-facist: Donald Trump. Instead Sanders has fallen in love with the adulation.
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I think you have completed misunderstood Sanders' intention. It is frankly absurd how some Clinton supporters believe that Sanders is harming her—when did GOP care about income inequality or closing tax loopholes?
It is not a "brokered convention" when his campaign has already, repeatedly, stated that he wants to influence the party plank so it becomes more progressive. Do you actually believe that Sanders can just snap his fingers and his supporters will go over to Clinton?
I hope some "adulatory" Clinton supports realize that even she has to make concessions sometimes.
It is not a "brokered convention" when his campaign has already, repeatedly, stated that he wants to influence the party plank so it becomes more progressive. Do you actually believe that Sanders can just snap his fingers and his supporters will go over to Clinton?
I hope some "adulatory" Clinton supports realize that even she has to make concessions sometimes.
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I see many comments calling Secretary Hillary Clinton weak. Whatever. Let's see:
1) Bengazhi - It's sad that 4 people, including the ambassador, died. But whatever happened to the WMD that supposedly justified the Iraq War?
2) Tone deaf - Yes she disparaged coal workers. Didn't Mr Trump insult entire nationalities, religions, and gender?
3) Trustworthiness - um, Mr Trump's marriages and bankruptcies...
4) Email server - Apparently it's common http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/clinton-emails-routine-practice.html
5) Those Goldman Sachs speeches - The Clintons made $153 million. in about 15 years. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid.... Where's Mr Trump's tax return?
1) Bengazhi - It's sad that 4 people, including the ambassador, died. But whatever happened to the WMD that supposedly justified the Iraq War?
2) Tone deaf - Yes she disparaged coal workers. Didn't Mr Trump insult entire nationalities, religions, and gender?
3) Trustworthiness - um, Mr Trump's marriages and bankruptcies...
4) Email server - Apparently it's common http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/clinton-emails-routine-practice.html
5) Those Goldman Sachs speeches - The Clintons made $153 million. in about 15 years. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid.... Where's Mr Trump's tax return?
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You think Hillary is a strong candidate because she's not quite as bad as Trump on a couple of issues?
You've missed the plot. We have two potential Democratic candidates. One has much higher favorables than the other. One has always done much better with independents than the other. One has consistently outpolled the other vs. Trump over the last 4-5 months. And that candidate is Bernie Sanders. There can be no question that he is a stronger candidate than Hillary according to all objective, empirical evidence. Yet some people are still supporting Hillary and risking a Trump presidency, inexplicably.
You've missed the plot. We have two potential Democratic candidates. One has much higher favorables than the other. One has always done much better with independents than the other. One has consistently outpolled the other vs. Trump over the last 4-5 months. And that candidate is Bernie Sanders. There can be no question that he is a stronger candidate than Hillary according to all objective, empirical evidence. Yet some people are still supporting Hillary and risking a Trump presidency, inexplicably.
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We know, Bernie supporters, that Hillary has a negative favorability rating and Bernie does well in the general election according to current polls. What you all don't seem to understand is that the GOP has not even started to target Bernie yet, and by the time they are through, his concept of 'democratic socialism' is going to sound like 'atheist communism' to the majority of the American people. But go ahead, keep tarring Hillary. Keep complaining that the same rules that were in effect when Obama beat her in '08 are somehow unfair. Keep fantasizing about how Bernie's magic plans are going to be enacted despite GOP intransigence. And when you're living under president Trump for 4-8 years, you can keep telling yourselves how terrible a president Clinton would have been, because, you know, the GOP convinced you of it despite all evidence to the contrary.
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Bernie has been viciously attacked throughout the primaries. People claiming that it wasn't really him in those civil rights photos, people tracking down his old socialist buddies from the 60s to attack him for not being a real socialist, the New York Daily Post smear job where they called him clueless and incompetent (even though they were the ones who didn't seem to realize that the Treasury and Fed are different organizations), people reading everything he wrote for a small progressive newsletter 40 years ago to find a passage he wrote about rape fantasies and take it out of context, and now people are complaining that his supporters in Nevada are violent, with no actual evidence of ANY violence to be found, despite numerous videos of the event.
The end result of all of these attacks is that his favorables have been consistently going UP. There's absolutely no reason to believe that if the GOP started attacking him, they would go down.
The end result of all of these attacks is that his favorables have been consistently going UP. There's absolutely no reason to believe that if the GOP started attacking him, they would go down.
Call me naive, but I have faith in my fellow American voters that we will never elect Donald Trump as president. Either Hillary or Bernie will beat him, soundly. Trump's appeal is to a shrinking minority of voters who certainly have just cause to support him among the Republicans. But the general election is very different from the primaries, and the wisdom of the larger crowd will prevail. Until then, Bernie should continue to run. He'll energize the youth vote on the left, and he should be able to tilt the party's platform towards the progressive.
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