If, by some miracle, Bernie Sanders wins the nomination, Trump et al will begin an onslaught of Bernie's democratic socialist ideology.. it will make him hard to sell — and easy to misrepresent and attack — in the general election.
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Here's a hope - a fantasy really, but ...
Let's suppose some miracle happens and the Republicans don't nominate Trump but Ryan or Kasich or who knows. So the Donald runs anyway on his own party.
Now there's an opportunity for a 4-way race. Who wins out of Trump, not-Trump, Clinton and Sanders?
Hint: who has the lowest negatives nation-wide?
Let's suppose some miracle happens and the Republicans don't nominate Trump but Ryan or Kasich or who knows. So the Donald runs anyway on his own party.
Now there's an opportunity for a 4-way race. Who wins out of Trump, not-Trump, Clinton and Sanders?
Hint: who has the lowest negatives nation-wide?
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The obvious positives for HClinton are intellectual brilliance, wonkish fund of knowledge, practical ability to balance many sides of issues, and familiarity with how to get things done in government. Truly, she is well prepared to be POTUS on day one. Her unattractive features are important, too: for example, she correctly says that this nation needs to get off coal but she was not sensitive enough or mentally agile enough to couch what should be done for coal industry workers so that they are not put off. Important is for real politicians to show sensitivity by anticipating the local pains of economic or other social evolution. She is quite sensitive for training those who have lost jobs to free trade but she sure didn't show that savvy in coal miners' territory. Better than Obama, I think her Republican roots should allow her to be more centrist in many areas but will she be centrist for the SCOTUS? Will she be able to see what is important near term and sensitive enough to know how to address touchy subjects effectively?
By contrast, Trumpism, by nature, loves to offend so as to rile up his supporters. Can HC's savvy motivate enough folks to be as passionate about her as some are for Trump? I am certainly not passionate in favor of HC as I don't see it likely that she'll navigate the big picture with sufficient breadth of sensitivity. Will she make a difference? I worry that Trumpism will create chaos: My choice is a write in candidate who won't get elected or HC.
By contrast, Trumpism, by nature, loves to offend so as to rile up his supporters. Can HC's savvy motivate enough folks to be as passionate about her as some are for Trump? I am certainly not passionate in favor of HC as I don't see it likely that she'll navigate the big picture with sufficient breadth of sensitivity. Will she make a difference? I worry that Trumpism will create chaos: My choice is a write in candidate who won't get elected or HC.
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Why would she need to win over anti-Trump Republicans? To do so would alienate her Democratic base.
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I think I despise Trump the most because he is forcing me to vote for Hillary Clinton.
I hope the mindless Republican lemmings that brought this about (Yes, that includes you Reince) all go over the cliff, for the good of our country.
I hope the mindless Republican lemmings that brought this about (Yes, that includes you Reince) all go over the cliff, for the good of our country.
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Will Clinton be in race in November for Republicans to "like" her?
FBI Primary:
1. Emailgate: mishandling classified info
2. Corruption: Clinton Foundation $ = quid pro quo State Department favors
3. Obstruction of Justice: destroyed 1,000s of emails to cover tracks
More likely scenario is Clinton has to drop out of race due to indictments.
FBI Primary:
1. Emailgate: mishandling classified info
2. Corruption: Clinton Foundation $ = quid pro quo State Department favors
3. Obstruction of Justice: destroyed 1,000s of emails to cover tracks
More likely scenario is Clinton has to drop out of race due to indictments.
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Like in Love and in War, anything seems "kosher" in our efforts to win an Election! Voters are likely be more circumspect, luckily!
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The larger and more important question is "can she win over independent voters ?" Many in the media are trying to reframe "independents" as "moderates".
Nice try . . . independent voters are more open minded and better critical thinkers than straight-line Dem or Rep voters. These are the voters who voted for Senator Bernie Sanders in all the primaries and caucuses which the Democratic Party made available for them to vote in.
Donald Trump got the rightwing-leaning independent voters and Bernie Sanders got the leftwing-leaning independent voters. Add to this the fact that Sanders outperformed Clinton in each and every head-to-head prospective matchup vs. each and every Republican candidate.
Something to consider between now and July. Just ask me on "Basil BuddhaCat Presents !" On Facebook Basil BuddhaCat. On CatBook when Cats take over Facebook. Mrrrrroooooowwwww !
Nice try . . . independent voters are more open minded and better critical thinkers than straight-line Dem or Rep voters. These are the voters who voted for Senator Bernie Sanders in all the primaries and caucuses which the Democratic Party made available for them to vote in.
Donald Trump got the rightwing-leaning independent voters and Bernie Sanders got the leftwing-leaning independent voters. Add to this the fact that Sanders outperformed Clinton in each and every head-to-head prospective matchup vs. each and every Republican candidate.
Something to consider between now and July. Just ask me on "Basil BuddhaCat Presents !" On Facebook Basil BuddhaCat. On CatBook when Cats take over Facebook. Mrrrrroooooowwwww !
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Who knew that Hillary was part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? Thank you for this new information.
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Your humor is much needed. As we see this column was written mainly in support of Donald Trump and he is not funny anymore.
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"Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans?"
That's a cute headline, but the wrong question. The real question is can she win over 1. The independants, 2. The Democrats, and then 3. The Republicans.
The 3 "Republicans" you cite (Salter, Weinstein, & Boot) are employees who work for anyone for money. So that's no big deal.
And you close it with her self-descriptive Eliot quote, she keeps losing it. She will probably lose it again, because she's lost in the rubble of her ego's overarching greed and ambitions.
She's not smart, she's clever. She's the kid lost in a costume store attempting to hide the real her. In trying to be everything for every audience she does what the French call falling between two chairs and ends up being distrusted. That's what the emails are about and the Goldman Sachs speeches and her "pity" for coal miners
That's a cute headline, but the wrong question. The real question is can she win over 1. The independants, 2. The Democrats, and then 3. The Republicans.
The 3 "Republicans" you cite (Salter, Weinstein, & Boot) are employees who work for anyone for money. So that's no big deal.
And you close it with her self-descriptive Eliot quote, she keeps losing it. She will probably lose it again, because she's lost in the rubble of her ego's overarching greed and ambitions.
She's not smart, she's clever. She's the kid lost in a costume store attempting to hide the real her. In trying to be everything for every audience she does what the French call falling between two chairs and ends up being distrusted. That's what the emails are about and the Goldman Sachs speeches and her "pity" for coal miners
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I have followed this comment section more than most because it is interesting to see what many think in the face of Trumps nomination and Sanders' likely loss to Hillary. Sanders supporters blame them edia although they have not been kind to Hillary- focusing mainly on the clown act called Trump.. They can blame the DNC (Wasserman-Schultz actually has no right to be leader, agreed) but at the end of the day it is not the super delegates nor the NYT editors that are responsible for Sanders not winning the nomination..he just has too narrow a base. He started too late in the game.
But what I find shocking is not the disappointment and disillusionment of many Sanders supporters - I am more than sympathetic - it is their inability to see the real menace that Elizabeth Warren has correctly identified in Donald Trump. Call it pragmatism - but we cannot let this ignorant, racist, fraudulent, and dangerous man take over our country.
But what I find shocking is not the disappointment and disillusionment of many Sanders supporters - I am more than sympathetic - it is their inability to see the real menace that Elizabeth Warren has correctly identified in Donald Trump. Call it pragmatism - but we cannot let this ignorant, racist, fraudulent, and dangerous man take over our country.
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And this is why she feels she can throw the entire Bernie Base under the bus -- she thinks she will get enough GOP support to offset them. The problem is that this strategy is disastrous for the future of the Democratic Party, because those GOPers will not be there when it's time for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to ask for money.
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Can Hillary Clinton lure Republican voters?
No. Not a chance.
Next question ....
No. Not a chance.
Next question ....
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Hillary: the "Republican" that absolutely no Republican will vote for.
If anyone really believes that Presumpty Dumpty is to the left of Clinton on ANY issue, they need to revisit the evidence.
If anyone really believes that Presumpty Dumpty is to the left of Clinton on ANY issue, they need to revisit the evidence.
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Well, let us pick some at this article.
Republicans are not going to vote for a liar, who permitted/did nothing to help the 4 victims in Benghazi. She couldn't answer a 5 PM phone call, much less a 3 AM one. She knew of Bill's playing around with Monica, yet came on TV in Jan-Feb and lied to our faces, saying it was a vast right wing conspiracy. She was so dishonest as a lawyer that she was kicked off of the committee investigating Pres Nixon/Watergate. She ruined the careers of those in the White House travel office so she could put in cronies. She made America less secure with her private server and with carrying her Blackberry into countries where it could be openly viewed. She has hidden thousands of emails from the Congressional committee investigating her. Etc.
Pres Johnson and civil rights? No, it as the Republicans who got this passed. One of the Southern Democrats who strongly opposed civil rights was Arkansas' Wm Fulbright, Bill's mentor.
As for VietNam...LBJ increased troops from 20,000 to 500,000, left office in Jan 1969, but in June, 1969, she is criticizing Nixon, who hasn't been in office for 5 months yet, for VietNam. But you state she supported LBJ's foreign policy.
She may have been a teen Goldwater girl, but in college, over 45 years ago, she was an Alinskyite.
Republicans are not going to vote for a liar, who permitted/did nothing to help the 4 victims in Benghazi. She couldn't answer a 5 PM phone call, much less a 3 AM one. She knew of Bill's playing around with Monica, yet came on TV in Jan-Feb and lied to our faces, saying it was a vast right wing conspiracy. She was so dishonest as a lawyer that she was kicked off of the committee investigating Pres Nixon/Watergate. She ruined the careers of those in the White House travel office so she could put in cronies. She made America less secure with her private server and with carrying her Blackberry into countries where it could be openly viewed. She has hidden thousands of emails from the Congressional committee investigating her. Etc.
Pres Johnson and civil rights? No, it as the Republicans who got this passed. One of the Southern Democrats who strongly opposed civil rights was Arkansas' Wm Fulbright, Bill's mentor.
As for VietNam...LBJ increased troops from 20,000 to 500,000, left office in Jan 1969, but in June, 1969, she is criticizing Nixon, who hasn't been in office for 5 months yet, for VietNam. But you state she supported LBJ's foreign policy.
She may have been a teen Goldwater girl, but in college, over 45 years ago, she was an Alinskyite.
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It is really sad that Hillary Clinton is the (by far) better of the two major party candidates. She has very little experience, she was a do-nothing senator (she voted for an unnecessary war, now blames someone else for that vote, and it really didn't matter anyhow; she put forward little substantive legislation and generally treaded water 'til she could run for president), she was the secretary of state during a time of failures and missed opportunity (without joining the ranting dogma about Benghazi we can safely say that an administration that arrived with such disdain for what George the son had done in international affairs then proceeded to do nothing to improve that performance and much to be regretted including waffling through the "Arab Spring" in such an inept manner that we lost ground rather than gained traction in stabilizing the Middle East), and as first lady did nothing of consequence (she botched healthcare and then defended her husband even after it became clear that, as the most powerful man in the world, he had sex [albeit oral sex from] a 24-year-old intern). Donald is of course a vacuous, posturing lightweight. So now we have Hillary trying to win over Republicans and Trump targeting Democrats.
I have just one thing to say: "Where have you gone Al Gore [Bob Dole][George M.][Walter Mondale][Hubert]...? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)"
I have just one thing to say: "Where have you gone Al Gore [Bob Dole][George M.][Walter Mondale][Hubert]...? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)"
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Just to inform you. Hillary Clinton was OUR State Senator for two terms, and she was also here during our darkest days on 9/11.
If you don't know what she did during her time as a Legislator, I suggest you Google it, instead of dropping worn-out tropes that are both personal and without any merit or semblance of class.
If you don't know what she did during her time as a Legislator, I suggest you Google it, instead of dropping worn-out tropes that are both personal and without any merit or semblance of class.
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This is a silly column, designed to appeal to all the Sander's supporters. Hillary hasn't been a Goldwater Girl for over 50 years.
“With so much at stake, Donald Trump is simply too big of a risk.”
"This is an odd rhetorical choice on the Clinton campaign’s part."
It's not odd at all. Trump does lack "the temperament to lead our nation and the free world,” Of course she is going to reach out to all voters because they should be afraid of this loose cannon. He says he thinks more countries should have nukes. He's ready to pick fights with many other countries. He is like a spoiled child, and he wants the nuke codes. I doubt Hillary will get many Republican votes. Republicans and their propaganda machine have demonized her for 30 years with their phony attacks and partisan "investigations." But there are still some sensible Republicans who haven't figured out that the party has left them. Appealing to them makes sense. It doesn't mean, as the Sanders supporters will claim, that she is a Republican of any sort. She has been a Democrat a lot longer than Bernie Sanders.
“With so much at stake, Donald Trump is simply too big of a risk.”
"This is an odd rhetorical choice on the Clinton campaign’s part."
It's not odd at all. Trump does lack "the temperament to lead our nation and the free world,” Of course she is going to reach out to all voters because they should be afraid of this loose cannon. He says he thinks more countries should have nukes. He's ready to pick fights with many other countries. He is like a spoiled child, and he wants the nuke codes. I doubt Hillary will get many Republican votes. Republicans and their propaganda machine have demonized her for 30 years with their phony attacks and partisan "investigations." But there are still some sensible Republicans who haven't figured out that the party has left them. Appealing to them makes sense. It doesn't mean, as the Sanders supporters will claim, that she is a Republican of any sort. She has been a Democrat a lot longer than Bernie Sanders.
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Asking whether Hillary can win over Republicans does nothing to appeal to this Sanders supporter.
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Nobody should care about Hillary's upbringing any more than they should care about the attractive girls Donald brought to high school. She has a long track record on a big resume with little in the way of accomplishments and most recently monumental failures as Secretary of State. Many non-political (which does not equate to uneducated or stupid) women simply detest the Secretary. The NYT and its readers will be surprised and not understand why so many Americans will not vote for her or her socialist alternative.
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No offense, but at the risk of your coming across as paternalistic, you are hardly in the position of knowing who will, or will not vote for Hillary Clinton -- much less how women in general, will vote.
And in the end, if anyone is surprised, it just might be you.
And in the end, if anyone is surprised, it just might be you.
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HRC has more votes than Trump and Senate Sanders combined so naturally the uninformed right sees that as proof she is in trouble.
It's the same logic that brought us Trickle Down fairy-tales and premeptive wars and no bid contracts.
The right is circling the drain and they are becoming increasingly unbalanced.
It's the same logic that brought us Trickle Down fairy-tales and premeptive wars and no bid contracts.
The right is circling the drain and they are becoming increasingly unbalanced.
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Famous last words.
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I think America is lost in deciding who to vote for.
We do not elect somebody who we like, we elect somebody who can govern.
I am not a fan of Hillary's whatsoever nor do I think she is someone that I can trust to make the best (in my opinion) decision.
But we need to be clear that Bernie Sanders, as much as I like him personally, is not a better person to govern this country than Hillary is.
And, the other option we have is Donald Trump. who most of the NYT readers would absolutely hate to see as our President.
Do your math and be rational about it, people of the US!
I made my choice and will do whatever I can to get Hillary elected for one thing she will do for sure: think well before acting.
We do not elect somebody who we like, we elect somebody who can govern.
I am not a fan of Hillary's whatsoever nor do I think she is someone that I can trust to make the best (in my opinion) decision.
But we need to be clear that Bernie Sanders, as much as I like him personally, is not a better person to govern this country than Hillary is.
And, the other option we have is Donald Trump. who most of the NYT readers would absolutely hate to see as our President.
Do your math and be rational about it, people of the US!
I made my choice and will do whatever I can to get Hillary elected for one thing she will do for sure: think well before acting.
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I understand the angle of the article and why using Goldwater Girl makes sense but it is such an obnoxious line. The number of Sanders supporters who use this to question her liberal credentials is exhausting. she was a teenager, as the article mentions. Most teenagers, even more adults, vote for the same party as their parents.
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As an Illinois girl I can appreciate Hillary's journey. I was also raised in a suburb of Chicago in a Republican family. I also campaigned for and voted Republican in my first elections. Illinois was electing lots of great moderate Republicans back then: Senator Percy, Congressman John B Anderson and Gov Jim Thompson immediately spring to mind.
But in the 70s and early 80s, people like Ronnie Reagan and Phyllis Schlafly gained control. Phooey. I looked at my party and saw that they had nothing for this college-educated career woman. They didn't even consider my interests (equal pay and opportunity, early education, welfare, civil rights, decreased military involvement, etc) to be in the prevue of politics. that was all "women's page" stuff. Their entire political agenda had been set in stone a few hundred years ago by men and they would not shift.
I began mixing things up and voting for Republicans and Democrats, but then I moved to Virginia in 1978. There was no way I could vote for their Republicans. I have voted for Democrats ever since.
But in the 70s and early 80s, people like Ronnie Reagan and Phyllis Schlafly gained control. Phooey. I looked at my party and saw that they had nothing for this college-educated career woman. They didn't even consider my interests (equal pay and opportunity, early education, welfare, civil rights, decreased military involvement, etc) to be in the prevue of politics. that was all "women's page" stuff. Their entire political agenda had been set in stone a few hundred years ago by men and they would not shift.
I began mixing things up and voting for Republicans and Democrats, but then I moved to Virginia in 1978. There was no way I could vote for their Republicans. I have voted for Democrats ever since.
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Thanks for the article. So much of what Secretary Clinton has said sounds disingenuous, co-opted from the Sanders camp to fool the young to win the election. Your article helps me to understand her a little better, to start to see her as a complicated and evolving person who has held some genuine interest in social justice etc.
The question is, with her reaching out to both ends of the political spectrum, whose interests pretty much are mutually exclusive--who will she choose to reward if she wins the general election?
The question is, with her reaching out to both ends of the political spectrum, whose interests pretty much are mutually exclusive--who will she choose to reward if she wins the general election?
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Candidates should reach out to both ends of the political spectrum.
After all they represent all Americans.
They don't represent only the real Americans up in the Victorious Union but the defeated confederates in the debtor south as well.
That you see HRC trying to reach even the traitors in the shiftless south as something bad shows how out of touch rightists really are.
After all they represent all Americans.
They don't represent only the real Americans up in the Victorious Union but the defeated confederates in the debtor south as well.
That you see HRC trying to reach even the traitors in the shiftless south as something bad shows how out of touch rightists really are.
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Jonesey, she will reward the corporate capitalists who have been regularly shipping the Clinton Cartel (est. 1976, Arkansas) boatloads of money in exchange for access. It's all about the money. It is the one factor that unites the entire political spectrum, domestically and internationally. Humans no longer count.
The more I see the Clinton machine in operation this final time (disregarding Chelsea for now) the more I am moved to get down on my knees every night and pray that Bernie Sanders has the luck and popular support to become President in 2016. Otherwise, we are doomed!
The more I see the Clinton machine in operation this final time (disregarding Chelsea for now) the more I am moved to get down on my knees every night and pray that Bernie Sanders has the luck and popular support to become President in 2016. Otherwise, we are doomed!
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Let's recap just a little. In 2008 Hillary Clinton started from a position of enormous name recognition, impressive (sort of) experience, and lots of money behind her, huge lead in initial polls, and came in second for the nomination. Now, with eight more years of experience and exposure and name recognition, she started with huge polling leads over a "Socialist Democrat" or "Democratic Socialist" and is losing an awful lot of that lead, and for sure is losing enthusiasm from those who feel they have no choice but to vote for her.
Whereas - in the other corner (note the reference to competitive sport) we have a showman, a master of outrage, who was initially given no - let us stress NO - chance to win his party's nomination, but who won it.
So now almost everybody thinks that the candidate who has demonstrated her ability to lose starting with a lead, is going to beat the candidate whom no one expected to win so far, and admit it or not, has a record of accomplishment in the very rough world of real estate and finance, and in politics so far.
Just sayin'
Whereas - in the other corner (note the reference to competitive sport) we have a showman, a master of outrage, who was initially given no - let us stress NO - chance to win his party's nomination, but who won it.
So now almost everybody thinks that the candidate who has demonstrated her ability to lose starting with a lead, is going to beat the candidate whom no one expected to win so far, and admit it or not, has a record of accomplishment in the very rough world of real estate and finance, and in politics so far.
Just sayin'
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What you're "just sayin;", is that you probably have no problem voting for a racist bigot like Donald Trump, and don't think anyone else should either.
Another thing. Humiliating people, and cheating them out of real-estate is hardly the qualities needed when representing the United States of America on the world stage.
Think again.
Another thing. Humiliating people, and cheating them out of real-estate is hardly the qualities needed when representing the United States of America on the world stage.
Think again.
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It looks like Americans will have to choose between two quasi Republicans in this election.
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Sort of. Somewhere in the hot mess that is Trump 'policy,' there are some left leaning statements.
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Reading these comments is bringing my frustration with Sanders supporters to a level I didn't anticipate as possible. I like his ideas, but will never vote for someone who isn't serious about doing the job of president. I'm a left-of-center independent who is far left on social issues, and not afraid of government spending. Bernie could easily have won me over if he had displayed any of the "I'm prepared to speak knowledgeably and factually about any issue you raise" disposition that Hillary oozes. He failed utterly, to the point that I'm beginning to see his movement as a Nader-esque evil that might well elect Trump.
I don't love Hillary, I don't like her hawkish tilt, and I'm concerned about how vulnerable she is as damaged goods. She's the only viable candidate, however. Sanders voters: wake up an elect someone who will move the needle in the right direction. Sanders won't move it at all and Trump will blow it up.
I don't love Hillary, I don't like her hawkish tilt, and I'm concerned about how vulnerable she is as damaged goods. She's the only viable candidate, however. Sanders voters: wake up an elect someone who will move the needle in the right direction. Sanders won't move it at all and Trump will blow it up.
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"wake up an elect someone who will move the needle in the right direction."
Hillary is too much in the "right" direction: her pro-plutocrat husband will be co-president, and only vote fior Hillary if you're sure you want neoconservative bill Clinton redux: Goldman Sachs guys like Robert Rubin as secretary of treasury, and the rest of the money-business idolizing/pandering type of administration bill gave us that continued the Reagan neocon revolution and set the stage for the Great Recession, all the while intensifying the trend of escalating inequality and evisceration of the middle class. With exec salaries reaching about 400x the median wage, and the 1% moving from owning less than 35% of national wealth to around 75% or more today. That's a vote for Hillary.
Hillary is too much in the "right" direction: her pro-plutocrat husband will be co-president, and only vote fior Hillary if you're sure you want neoconservative bill Clinton redux: Goldman Sachs guys like Robert Rubin as secretary of treasury, and the rest of the money-business idolizing/pandering type of administration bill gave us that continued the Reagan neocon revolution and set the stage for the Great Recession, all the while intensifying the trend of escalating inequality and evisceration of the middle class. With exec salaries reaching about 400x the median wage, and the 1% moving from owning less than 35% of national wealth to around 75% or more today. That's a vote for Hillary.
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"Sanders voters: wake up an elect someone who will move the needle in the right direction."
As usual - it's entirely the responsibility of progressive Democrats to to vote for a right wing Democrat in order block a Republican.
And conversely - as usual - the right wing Democrat has no responsibility to compromise with, negotiate with, nor negotiate in good faith with the progressive half of those likely to vote Democrat.
As usual - it's entirely the responsibility of progressive Democrats to to vote for a right wing Democrat in order block a Republican.
And conversely - as usual - the right wing Democrat has no responsibility to compromise with, negotiate with, nor negotiate in good faith with the progressive half of those likely to vote Democrat.
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Hilary's suggestion that Bill gets a role in her administration just cost her any donations from me. It's such a bad idea, for the nation and the party, almost as bad as Bill assigning her to reinvent health care so many many years ago. They need to promote new leaders more attuned to today's issues and tomorrow's voters (but not Chelsea). Bill had his day in the sun, he should just butt out now. I'll still vote for her but my donations will go to critical senate races.
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"This year, both Democrats and Republicans have said that they are not sure they can trust Hillary Clinton"
How did we get here?
Soon we will be forced to chose between a despicable, self-centered, compulsive liar of a man, and a politically tone-deaf, untrustworthy woman with stupendously poor judgement. Neither of these people is fit to be the President of the US.
Write in Bernie? Move to Canada? Not vote at all? None of those choices is useful.
How DID we get here?
How did we get here?
Soon we will be forced to chose between a despicable, self-centered, compulsive liar of a man, and a politically tone-deaf, untrustworthy woman with stupendously poor judgement. Neither of these people is fit to be the President of the US.
Write in Bernie? Move to Canada? Not vote at all? None of those choices is useful.
How DID we get here?
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The fact that Republican's would consider Hillary tells me all I need to know. Hillary is a Republican.
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Carl Bernstein gets it right by focusing in on Hillary's Methodist upbringing.
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So there's a Method in her madness?
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If the Republicans offered someone competent to be president, voters would have a choice. But dealmaker Donald taking on North Korea? That trumps any dislike I might have for Ms. Clinton.
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This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her.
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Oh this outrageous. Referring to Hillary Clinton as a "Goldwater girl" is an appalling misrepresentation of what she (and her supporters) stand for.
Get real.
Get real.
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Reread the article. "Goldwater girl" is what she was as a teenager in 1964, not what she is now.
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If there is ever to be a Bernie revolution, it won't take place by helping Trump in any way. To think otherwise is the epitome of naivete.
President Obama said what really matters in a most eloquent way:
" If you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible, you will feel good about yourself, you will enjoy a certain moral security, but you will not get what you want".
President Obama said what really matters in a most eloquent way:
" If you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible, you will feel good about yourself, you will enjoy a certain moral security, but you will not get what you want".
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We won't get what we want 8 ways from Sunday. From no one can we get what we want. How does this advice of Obama's help? He's asked for so little and got so much less out of this Congress; how is he now an expert on getting things done?
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Only if someone has been in hibernation for the last seven years would this comment surface. The President had less than two years to get anything at all done with what followed as the most obstructionist congress ever. What he did get done in less than two years was : get the economy back to on track (unemployment 10.5M to 5M); save the auto industry; get Dodd-Frank legislation passed to put needed controls on Wall Street; and, oh yeah, get health care to 30M needy people. What Bernie Sanders did all this time and a decade or two before ,while in congress , was to practice his stump speech.
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The thing that bothers many people is not the Goldwater Girl, it's the Goldman Woman. Goldwater may not be that relevant today, but Goldman is still sacking and plundering.
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Curious Ms. Roller doesn't mention Dem bete noir Charles Koch's comments a few weeks ago that he might be interested in supporting Secretary Clinton.
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Blue Dog Democrat or Rockefeller Republican.
Either way, not a president for the 21st century.
Either way, not a president for the 21st century.
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First thing first, Mrs. Clinton disliked or worse by Republicans is not limited to her. They swift-boated John Kerry and created enough conspiracy theories against Barack Hussain Obama to fill a library.
But Hillary Clinton and her campaign should NOT allow the Republicans or Trump campaign or the media to make the case that Republicans only dislike her. Her campaign should change the story that Republicans dislike not just her but are against progressive ideas and Democrats in general. Don't let them to attach negative message against her. Deflect it as if they are against American progress -- which is very true as Trump's popularity attest.
Her campaign should know by now that they need to be bold as Sanders and Trump candidacies proved.
Blame the nature, human history or experience or whatever, women are still perceived as weaker than men. So she needs to show a tougher and serious look while her make up should be a little warmer. Raid the subconscious mind.
But Hillary Clinton and her campaign should NOT allow the Republicans or Trump campaign or the media to make the case that Republicans only dislike her. Her campaign should change the story that Republicans dislike not just her but are against progressive ideas and Democrats in general. Don't let them to attach negative message against her. Deflect it as if they are against American progress -- which is very true as Trump's popularity attest.
Her campaign should know by now that they need to be bold as Sanders and Trump candidacies proved.
Blame the nature, human history or experience or whatever, women are still perceived as weaker than men. So she needs to show a tougher and serious look while her make up should be a little warmer. Raid the subconscious mind.
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Good advice.
of course she can. She is one. But can she win over Democrats and independents? That's a different story.
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If it is Trump/Clinton she will win over anyone who cares in the least about the survival of Planet Earth.
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Hillary is what she has always been. She has no problem with the moneyed interests, and only see's Liberals ideals and women's problems where particular situations might have impacted her as a woman. She is very much in line with "the haves" (WalMart, Wall Street, the commodities trader who made her $100,000 in a series of quick trades in the 80's), and if nominated at the convention will go right back to where she has always been, a Republican. This is why Sanders supporters won't vote for her, and she has no chance with the average Republican. People DO know who Hillary is, and more of the same is not what people are looking for. Republicans will vote with the idea that Trump will be kept in line by a Republican Congress (which she will incidentally help with her candidacy), and we will end up with 8 more years of the same or worse. Thank you DNC!
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No matter what happens at the top of the ticket, it's important to get a blue Senate and with luck House. Having Trump with a Democratic Congress is a much better option than having Trump with a Republican one.
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In the general election, if you don't vote for her (and I'm a Sanders supporter), you'll be electing Trump and potentially 4 SCOTUS justices in the mould of Scalia. It's that simple.
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Her father at 9 of a large family, the poorest in a small fishing village in Cape Cod, would stand barefoot, looking at the big White House. He married 'above himself', a young woman from Scarsdale, and with their two little girls, lived on a shoe-string in New York, he was a traveling salesman, cunning, a brilliant card shark and astute.
It was during the Great Depression and they read in the newspaper that the House was up for auction and drove through the night from New York to Massachusetts. They toiled and farmed the land. Hard work. When I met their eldest daughter Melissa in the humanitarian community, she was the only Democrat in her family of staunch Republicans, and a graduate of Wesley. I loved her parents. Her father, a rich man now and owner of much real estate, would come out of his property with a rifle. Trespassers beware, and during my many visits, I believe they thought I was Irish, and New Yorkers were weird.
What is this mistrust about Hillary Clinton? Melissa died awhile ago. But I remember how she called and wept about George Bush and Iraq. We would have been stumped over Trump with some good laughs, and yet I hear her tears. The American Dream is gone but some of us have managed, not only to hold on to our hats in the wind, but to our minds. Every day, my respect and support for Hillary Clinton continues to grow, and I love this photo of her with her parents.
It was during the Great Depression and they read in the newspaper that the House was up for auction and drove through the night from New York to Massachusetts. They toiled and farmed the land. Hard work. When I met their eldest daughter Melissa in the humanitarian community, she was the only Democrat in her family of staunch Republicans, and a graduate of Wesley. I loved her parents. Her father, a rich man now and owner of much real estate, would come out of his property with a rifle. Trespassers beware, and during my many visits, I believe they thought I was Irish, and New Yorkers were weird.
What is this mistrust about Hillary Clinton? Melissa died awhile ago. But I remember how she called and wept about George Bush and Iraq. We would have been stumped over Trump with some good laughs, and yet I hear her tears. The American Dream is gone but some of us have managed, not only to hold on to our hats in the wind, but to our minds. Every day, my respect and support for Hillary Clinton continues to grow, and I love this photo of her with her parents.
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I don't know if Hillary can win over Republicans. I do know, however, that a tactic like this is sure to lose her the support of Democrats, including the millennials and progressives that Sanders so motivated. If that happens, and it seems Hillary is trying to alienate this bloc, it's really a net loss for her, and just plain stupid politics. If the youth and the progressives stay home, Clinton loses. She's a bright woman, how come she can't see this?
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"She's a bright woman, how come she can't see this?"
Two words: echo chamber.
Two words: echo chamber.
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The Times also has no excuse.
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An objective centrist Republican would vote for Mrs. Clinton over their party's nominee who has patent defects in thinking and temperament.
However, there is still a lot of animus directed at Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. They have been tarred as ultra-liberal when the records shows anything but. Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, and allowed financiers to run wild. Bill Clinton cut welfare back to levels deleterious to society with his welfare reform act. Many talk of Hillary's speeches to Wall Street firms.
Hence, the real problem for Hillary is not garnering Republican votes, it is the possibility of Sanders supporters not showing up on election day.
Mrs. Clinton would make a brave statement for change if she chose Elizabeth Warren for the ticket.
However, there is still a lot of animus directed at Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. They have been tarred as ultra-liberal when the records shows anything but. Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, and allowed financiers to run wild. Bill Clinton cut welfare back to levels deleterious to society with his welfare reform act. Many talk of Hillary's speeches to Wall Street firms.
Hence, the real problem for Hillary is not garnering Republican votes, it is the possibility of Sanders supporters not showing up on election day.
Mrs. Clinton would make a brave statement for change if she chose Elizabeth Warren for the ticket.
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My usual comment. "We at least know what we will get if we elect The Clintons". Brines a nice man but his policies" are out to lunch. Trump does not fit our fantasy of a President. The media, the so called insiders, and Wall Street
will prevail. What happens after the coronation is troubling. It will test America's character.
will prevail. What happens after the coronation is troubling. It will test America's character.
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Well, Sanders folks, just look at what Trump is currently doing. He is begging for votes from yes, you guys. So, isn't that the way the election game works. So, don't spend a lot of time and excuses to beat up Hillary. Keep your eye on the ball by making certain that you do vote for Hillary. A "non vote " will absolutely ensure a Trump win. Then you can all sit around and sulk for the next four or eight years after you have kissed away anything that looks like a form of democracy! Use your heads!
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Another "We have to vote Hillary or we'll get Trump" scare tactic.
This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her.
This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her.
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Nope, not it at all....just someone who doesn't want to experience a fate worse than Bush...use your head!
Can Donald Trump win over Republicans?
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HRC has to win over THIS Democrat first. The rigging of delegates and primaries by the DNC in her favor as well as disenfranchising registered voters reeks of GOP-style dirty tricks. The recent tactics in Nevada are a prime example. The more I see of her the the more I know my decision not to vote for her is the right one. I will write in Bernie Sanders first.
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Hillary Clinton is a chameleon--changing positions as often as the background color shifts. Neither Democrats nor Republicans can or should trust her.
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Donald Trump changes positions in one PARAGRAPH.
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Hillary will do or say ANYTHING to become President!
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It's funny how rightists are trying to make it seem like HRC has an uphill battle convincing Democrats to vote for her considering she had millions more votes than either Senator Sanders or Trump.
Nothing tickles me more than desperate rightists.
Nothing tickles me more than desperate rightists.
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How many younger voters are aware that the Clinton's, with Hillary in the lead fought tooth and nail for single payer health care at the start of Bill's term? They were destroyed for that effort by the Gingrich GOP with huge money from the healthcare and insurance industries.
How many are aware that the Republican Benghazi Political Assassination Committee was put together with the sole objective of bringing Hillary down before the primaries even started?
How many are aware that Karl Rove put money into Sander's fight against Hillary? How many have every seen even one serious attack by the Republicans against Sanders?
How many voters cannot figure out what all of this means?
How many are aware that the Republican Benghazi Political Assassination Committee was put together with the sole objective of bringing Hillary down before the primaries even started?
How many are aware that Karl Rove put money into Sander's fight against Hillary? How many have every seen even one serious attack by the Republicans against Sanders?
How many voters cannot figure out what all of this means?
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Secretary Clinton has 3 million more votes than Trump and her margin is even larger over Senator Sanders.
What do these facts mean to rightsts?
That she needs to win over Democrats of course.
Rightist desperation tickles me so.
What do these facts mean to rightsts?
That she needs to win over Democrats of course.
Rightist desperation tickles me so.
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It may be hard for Republican Party operatives to publicly say they'll vote for Hillary, but the moderate Republicans I know plan to vote for her. They are more concerned in this election cycle with having a stable and competent person in the Oval Office than with party fealty.
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Win over Republicans? She hasn't even won over the Democrats or Independents much less Green Party members like myself. The issue is that she is a known and what is known about here is that she will say anything, shift her "beliefs" to any position in order to be elected. Yes, if Sanders wins the Democratic nomination then I will vote for him in the general election. When it comes to Hillary, well she was never an option for me. I left the Democratic Party at the end of the Clinton administration because I could not discern between the Democratic Party that the Clintons represented and the republican party. I am "Never Trump" and "Never Hillary". I refuse to vote for the same people and hope for a better outcome this time around and I am just too highly educated to view Trump as anything other than the Clown he is.
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But not too highly educated or wise, it seems, to allow Trump to win by default.
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Sorry. Are you getting your news from an alternate reality?? -- Clinton is ahead of Sanders by 3+ MILLION popular votes, so WHAT do you mean that she hasn't
"won over the Democrats"??
Another thing. If you consider 'Independents' to be Sanders supporters, the question is why didn't he run as an Independent??? -- he certainly is no Democrat, and by his own admission.
"won over the Democrats"??
Another thing. If you consider 'Independents' to be Sanders supporters, the question is why didn't he run as an Independent??? -- he certainly is no Democrat, and by his own admission.
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The 3 million vote statement is a red herring! We don't know how many votes Sanders got in the states where he won overwhelmingly by caucus. And we don't know how many more votes he would get from Independents who would vote for him in closed primary's if they could. It really means nothing, and Hillary wouldn't be ahead in delegates if the primary's were open, debates hadn't been restricted, and the msm had not ignored him.
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There have been at least 20 front page articles about
D.T. in this paper over the past few weeks and all the
rest are about Clinton. Most of the articles to which
allow no commenters to comment such as Hilliary
promoting even more of a dynasty than we expected by
having announced even before she is nominated that
her husband will be in charge of the economy. Notice
how less often when negative opinion might be
had that comments are allowed. Frustrating.
At least we are allowed to comment on this one.
H. Clinton will swing which ever way the wind blows
to promote herself. She has very little solid principles
on which she really stands despite her claims to the
contrary. We don't want dynasty in this country.
The Clintons have had their chance and occupied
and benefited from occupying the white house already.
Please, time to vote Sanders for the Democratic
nominee for Pres. despite the lack of coverage here
for him. Californians: step up. This is your chance.
D.T. in this paper over the past few weeks and all the
rest are about Clinton. Most of the articles to which
allow no commenters to comment such as Hilliary
promoting even more of a dynasty than we expected by
having announced even before she is nominated that
her husband will be in charge of the economy. Notice
how less often when negative opinion might be
had that comments are allowed. Frustrating.
At least we are allowed to comment on this one.
H. Clinton will swing which ever way the wind blows
to promote herself. She has very little solid principles
on which she really stands despite her claims to the
contrary. We don't want dynasty in this country.
The Clintons have had their chance and occupied
and benefited from occupying the white house already.
Please, time to vote Sanders for the Democratic
nominee for Pres. despite the lack of coverage here
for him. Californians: step up. This is your chance.
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I disagree that Hillary is untrustworthy - as a politician who has to balance many constituents with different ideas and cope with a continuously changing world - I think she is doing well. The President is not a preacher and must be practical to solve problems and work with hostile forces of the world as well as local ones like the Republicans. In the mean while this person must cater to the whims of a poorly informed voter.
I think if Bernie does not get out he may hurt her chances and we will end up with Donald. We will have the Mad Hatter to thank for it. Bernie's followers would have cut their collective noses to spite their collective faces.
I think if Bernie does not get out he may hurt her chances and we will end up with Donald. We will have the Mad Hatter to thank for it. Bernie's followers would have cut their collective noses to spite their collective faces.
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This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her. Another "We have to vote Hillary or we'll get Trump" scare tactic.
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As a Sanders supporter who will definitely vote Clinton in November, I agree with most of what you say, but I do not agree with your point that Secretary Clinton would have zero responsibility for the outcome, if she were to lose; that it would be all Bernie Sanders' and his supporters' fault. It seems to me that it's at least partially the Secretary's responsibility to inspire and convince people to vote for her, and it's quite evident that she has not succeeded so far.
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If I had the ear of Clinton, I would advise for her to take the 'high road'. Keep her remarks short and simple but very clear. Don't over state the obvious. Especially in the countering of Trumps show boat manipulations.
Clinton needs to show confidence, focus on people and personal concern for their situation. I do not think that the warm fuzzy charismatic persona is in her makeup so she needs to work on showing her real concern for people.
I do believe that Clinton will be an exceptional President. But, she will have to let go the phobia for privacy she has and not be afraid to be honest, open and let it all hang out. Many times, honesty hurts, but in the long run, it always works for the best.
Clinton needs to show confidence, focus on people and personal concern for their situation. I do not think that the warm fuzzy charismatic persona is in her makeup so she needs to work on showing her real concern for people.
I do believe that Clinton will be an exceptional President. But, she will have to let go the phobia for privacy she has and not be afraid to be honest, open and let it all hang out. Many times, honesty hurts, but in the long run, it always works for the best.
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The question is not whether Clinton can win over Republicans, but whether she can win over Democrats that support Sanders.
Winning over those progressive Democrats does not depend on gaining their "trust" per se. It depends, on the one hand, upon Clinton's political positions - which are not simply "untrustworthy" but unacceptably right wing.
And then, on the other hand, it depends on the Democratic Party machinery's ability to compromise with and include the roughly half of the electorate likely to vote Democratic who support Sanders. Here again, it is not a matter of trust, but of frank and declared compromise: Rather than advancing shifty, unreliable feints to the left, Clinton needs to acknowledge their obvious differences and negotiate in good faith.
Clinton and the Democratic machine can negotiate by including Sanders supporters at the convention and in the platform creation process, ending their denigration of Sanders supporters, ending their bullying, fear-mongering attempts to keep Sanders away from the convention; and agreeing to choose progressive Democrats for high-level presidential cabinet positions.
Above all, right wing Democrats must that the support of progressives is not the sole responsibility of progressive Democrats, but of establishment Democrats' ability to enter into honest compromise and negotiation.
Winning over those progressive Democrats does not depend on gaining their "trust" per se. It depends, on the one hand, upon Clinton's political positions - which are not simply "untrustworthy" but unacceptably right wing.
And then, on the other hand, it depends on the Democratic Party machinery's ability to compromise with and include the roughly half of the electorate likely to vote Democratic who support Sanders. Here again, it is not a matter of trust, but of frank and declared compromise: Rather than advancing shifty, unreliable feints to the left, Clinton needs to acknowledge their obvious differences and negotiate in good faith.
Clinton and the Democratic machine can negotiate by including Sanders supporters at the convention and in the platform creation process, ending their denigration of Sanders supporters, ending their bullying, fear-mongering attempts to keep Sanders away from the convention; and agreeing to choose progressive Democrats for high-level presidential cabinet positions.
Above all, right wing Democrats must that the support of progressives is not the sole responsibility of progressive Democrats, but of establishment Democrats' ability to enter into honest compromise and negotiation.
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How can she win over the violent Bernie fanatics who attended the Nevada caucus convention? Bernie and his supporters have lost their minds and in doing so run the risk of having another Scalia on the Supreme Court. How could they be so stupid?
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Bernie supporters are simply tired of the nomination process being rigged against them. If the election is lost, it's because the DNC did it to themselves by not listening to their constituents.
This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her. Another "We have to vote Hillary or we'll get Trump/Sclia" scare tactic.
This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her. Another "We have to vote Hillary or we'll get Trump/Sclia" scare tactic.
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Is she going to ask Jeb to be her VP? I hope Bernie will run as an Independent because both Hillary and Trump are terrifying choices. Bill Clinton as some sort of economy revitalizer , really?
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What's in the water in D.C.??? ---Jeb! as a VP???.... What a joke.
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It's unlikely.
I'm more concerned about whether she can win over Sanders fans who are disillusioned by how he has been marginalized by the media and the Clinton campaign. The Times is not helping this by reporting "From Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates" INSTEAD of reporting on what happened in Nevada.
I'm more concerned about whether she can win over Sanders fans who are disillusioned by how he has been marginalized by the media and the Clinton campaign. The Times is not helping this by reporting "From Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates" INSTEAD of reporting on what happened in Nevada.
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Just for the record. Sanders has marginalized himself with his one-note rants against the "status-quo", and vilifying the only real Democrat in the race in order to score points. (He's a self-admitted Independent, remember???)
And his absolute unwillingness to show any capacity to compromise on ANY level will cost him in the end, because being able to compromise and unify, are two VERY important and key qualifications for the job of President of the United States.
And his absolute unwillingness to show any capacity to compromise on ANY level will cost him in the end, because being able to compromise and unify, are two VERY important and key qualifications for the job of President of the United States.
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His rants seem "one-note" to those who stop listening after one note if that note is not to their liking. He's spoken on plenty of other important issues.
Your claim that he's not willing to compromise isn't true either. He's been known to work with Republicans to pass legislation, like a veterans' bill he worked on with John McCain.
Your claim that he's not willing to compromise isn't true either. He's been known to work with Republicans to pass legislation, like a veterans' bill he worked on with John McCain.
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It's a calculated risk revealing her conservative roots. Courting Bernie Sanders supporters, who are either college students hoping to get their college loans forgiven, or extremists who wish the country would swing far to the left, will never fly with the vast majority of Americans, who may be socially liberal on some issues, but are economically conservative. (I expect to get some comments in response---but remember, most of these pro-Bernie comments are paid for by the GOP) I think Hillary is better off as a centrist Democrat with a Republican father who she admired. My takeaway from this article is that she's been involved in politics, and has wanted to serve her country in the political arena her entire adult life. That's more important than which "side" she's on. I think if a progressive Republican and a conservative Democrat sat down together, they would find they have much in common. I say appeal to the educated Republicans who are embarrassed by Trump. The Sanders supporters are a lost cause.
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"(I expect to get some comments in response---but remember, most of these pro-Bernie comments are paid for by the GOP)"
I guess the reason you think pro-Bernie comments are paid for by the GOP is because many anti-Bernie comments are paid for by the Clinton campaign. (See http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-mi...
I guess the reason you think pro-Bernie comments are paid for by the GOP is because many anti-Bernie comments are paid for by the Clinton campaign. (See http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-mi...
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Proves my point. Out of curiosity, how much are you getting paid, Liz?
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I guess you also believe the tens of thousands of people showing up and contributing $27 each to Bernie are closet Republicans too? Very delusional of you!
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Really the world has turned upside down. The Republicans, yes the party that attempts to disenfranchise voters thru voter id laws, etc, has had the much more open nominating process that resulted in Trump over any of the establishment candidates.
The Democrats, led by the champion for predatory lenders Debbie Wasserman Schultz, did everything possible to deny the rank & file an opportunity to make a selection; opting instead to coronate HRH Hillary. Just ask Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard who resigned from the DNC & why were there so few debates & almost all scheduled when no one would watch
The problem with the Clintons is not just that Hillary is untrustworthy but, contrary to the blind allegiance of many of her supporters, Hillary appears unable to learn; which really presents a problem for those who wish to proclaim her intelligent & capable. How else to account for Hillary's continuing self-inflicted problems?
Although Hillary claims she hadn't decided to run until after taking all of the speaker fees, it certainly had to be highly probable & present for a good many years. Yet there is the blurring lf lines with the Clinton foundation, State Dept activities & fund raising for this race. Even more to the point, while W gave us the greatest immediate problems, the Clintons' economic policies in the former Soviet Union gave us Putin & their support of deregulation w/ Sen Phil Gramm gave us the Shadow Banking System & the 2007 meltdown that W made his own contribution to
The Democrats, led by the champion for predatory lenders Debbie Wasserman Schultz, did everything possible to deny the rank & file an opportunity to make a selection; opting instead to coronate HRH Hillary. Just ask Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard who resigned from the DNC & why were there so few debates & almost all scheduled when no one would watch
The problem with the Clintons is not just that Hillary is untrustworthy but, contrary to the blind allegiance of many of her supporters, Hillary appears unable to learn; which really presents a problem for those who wish to proclaim her intelligent & capable. How else to account for Hillary's continuing self-inflicted problems?
Although Hillary claims she hadn't decided to run until after taking all of the speaker fees, it certainly had to be highly probable & present for a good many years. Yet there is the blurring lf lines with the Clinton foundation, State Dept activities & fund raising for this race. Even more to the point, while W gave us the greatest immediate problems, the Clintons' economic policies in the former Soviet Union gave us Putin & their support of deregulation w/ Sen Phil Gramm gave us the Shadow Banking System & the 2007 meltdown that W made his own contribution to
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Well...Do people who vote count in your eyes? Clinton has received 2 million more votes than Trump, and 3 million more than Sanders throughout the country during the primaries. Should only Sanders' votes count?
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I am not not a conservative and although I support senator Sanders he is still too conservative for me. When I write about neo-liberalism I am writing about a philosophical political position that I believe has outlived its usefulness. When I refer to democratic socialism I am referring to a European political philosophy that is a stepping stone into a future where we no longer argue whether the Treaty of Westphalia really was the beginning of the nation state because we understand that in the 21st century the world is a city and we all live in small neighbourhoods.
The Clinton's neo-liberalism is the best conservative political system we have ever developed. It is a Reaganism that works for 50% of the American population. It is an inclusive conservatism that serves more people than any conservative philosophy that has ever existed. It is however conservatism and it means trying to solve today's problems with yesterday's answers.
Hillary is a 20th century Republican and worthy of our love and admiration but for 50% of American and most of the world she has too many wrong answers for today's problems.
The Clinton's neo-liberalism is the best conservative political system we have ever developed. It is a Reaganism that works for 50% of the American population. It is an inclusive conservatism that serves more people than any conservative philosophy that has ever existed. It is however conservatism and it means trying to solve today's problems with yesterday's answers.
Hillary is a 20th century Republican and worthy of our love and admiration but for 50% of American and most of the world she has too many wrong answers for today's problems.
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Great piece.
My thoughts: the US has dramatically changed since the Goldwater campaign, in every respect, demographically, ethnicity, education, job opportunities, and income distribution. I think it would be wise if Mrs. C concentrated more on educating the public on these changes and use this tutorial to forecast those trends in terms of their future and the concrete proposals that they can understand. She is not running against DT. She is running against the "establishment". She must be honest about the failures of the establishment and their difficulty in reaching a political consensus on how people are treated by the healthcare complex and she also must question our long-term priorities.
I am certain that when elected she must deal with Global Warming and she needs to propose some realistic practical options. I would suggests that she introduce the idea of an international space power authority, sort of a "TVA, in space", to create very cheap electricity for all people and with cheap electricity use some of it to make synthetic gasoline, diesel, and jet fuels from the carbon dioxide in air and hydrogen in water. This synthetic fuel would be a good practical non-disruptive way to evolve the World economy away from fossil fuels and the dire threats posed by global warming.
America can lead and create jobs & prosperity for a great future. She definitely needs to be forward looking. If she drops out because of her polls, I would give the same advice to Sanders.
My thoughts: the US has dramatically changed since the Goldwater campaign, in every respect, demographically, ethnicity, education, job opportunities, and income distribution. I think it would be wise if Mrs. C concentrated more on educating the public on these changes and use this tutorial to forecast those trends in terms of their future and the concrete proposals that they can understand. She is not running against DT. She is running against the "establishment". She must be honest about the failures of the establishment and their difficulty in reaching a political consensus on how people are treated by the healthcare complex and she also must question our long-term priorities.
I am certain that when elected she must deal with Global Warming and she needs to propose some realistic practical options. I would suggests that she introduce the idea of an international space power authority, sort of a "TVA, in space", to create very cheap electricity for all people and with cheap electricity use some of it to make synthetic gasoline, diesel, and jet fuels from the carbon dioxide in air and hydrogen in water. This synthetic fuel would be a good practical non-disruptive way to evolve the World economy away from fossil fuels and the dire threats posed by global warming.
America can lead and create jobs & prosperity for a great future. She definitely needs to be forward looking. If she drops out because of her polls, I would give the same advice to Sanders.
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Hillary's party affiliation isn't the problem. It's her poor character, which was apparent immediately.
When 27, she defended rapist of a 12-y-o. According to victim—53—& supported by U. AR tapes from Clinton archives, she knew he was guilty, got him off w/ lies/evidence deceptions/tampering; later laughed about it.
Her glee caught on tapes:"He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs (laughs)"—HRC
KARMA
America's forewarning about HRC 42 yrs ago was, in retrospect, one of the high points of modern historical irony.
I am referring, of course, to the removal of H Rodham, 27, from Watergate committee investigating Nixon. She was declined a recommendation by Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong D, for reasons of ethical lapses that included habitual lying, attempted concealment of docs & conspiring to violate Constitution, rules of House, committee & confidentiality. Zeifman recently stated his only regret is not having reported her to the Bar
Historical irony shocks us out of our complacencies, forces us to confront our fears, makes us remember our obligations, reminds us who we are.
But an awareness of historical irony requires critical thinking, honest reflection, virtually nonexistent today in this era of disinformation & reflexive response: 140 characters max
If we are to repair a country weakened by dangerously unfit leaders, we must, all of us, recognize that ironic warning 42 yrs ago and heed it
When 27, she defended rapist of a 12-y-o. According to victim—53—& supported by U. AR tapes from Clinton archives, she knew he was guilty, got him off w/ lies/evidence deceptions/tampering; later laughed about it.
Her glee caught on tapes:"He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs (laughs)"—HRC
KARMA
America's forewarning about HRC 42 yrs ago was, in retrospect, one of the high points of modern historical irony.
I am referring, of course, to the removal of H Rodham, 27, from Watergate committee investigating Nixon. She was declined a recommendation by Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong D, for reasons of ethical lapses that included habitual lying, attempted concealment of docs & conspiring to violate Constitution, rules of House, committee & confidentiality. Zeifman recently stated his only regret is not having reported her to the Bar
Historical irony shocks us out of our complacencies, forces us to confront our fears, makes us remember our obligations, reminds us who we are.
But an awareness of historical irony requires critical thinking, honest reflection, virtually nonexistent today in this era of disinformation & reflexive response: 140 characters max
If we are to repair a country weakened by dangerously unfit leaders, we must, all of us, recognize that ironic warning 42 yrs ago and heed it
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Like Hillary, most of us learn things...and some are hard lessons...over the course of our lives, and become better and wiser people than we were in our 20s and 30s. Even doing that, we still make occasional misjudgements and mistakes at every age. And then there is the perfect Jesus Christ, and apparently, Bernie Sanders.
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In spite of your very long list of grievances and reconstituted facts, remains the question -- Who are you to judge the content of a person's character??
And if you seriously think that Donald Trump is infinitely more qualified to sit in the Oval Office, then one must question you judgement as well.
And if you seriously think that Donald Trump is infinitely more qualified to sit in the Oval Office, then one must question you judgement as well.
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I find it hard to believe that she will be able to win over many Republicans based on her political beliefs previously. While I believe she was a capable senator and admire some of what she did as Secretary of State, I have no confidence in what she would do a President.
The entire process has become a circus unfortunately creating the Trump phenomena of attracting several disenfranchised groups. I like many other Republicans thought that Trump would never make it this far and am appalled as what he spouts. I don't trust either candidate to act in our best interests as Americans or in the best interest of people in general.
The entire process has become a circus unfortunately creating the Trump phenomena of attracting several disenfranchised groups. I like many other Republicans thought that Trump would never make it this far and am appalled as what he spouts. I don't trust either candidate to act in our best interests as Americans or in the best interest of people in general.
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Re: '“My political beliefs are rooted in the conservatism that I was raised with,”...'
And today she is expressly progressive.
Malleable principles are convenient.
And today she is expressly progressive.
Malleable principles are convenient.
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True "conservatism" in America is progressive. From Thomas Jefferson to Abe Lincoln to both Roosevelts, Kennedy, Johnson, King et al, our TRADITION and history has been liberal and progressive. And "conservatives" are supposed to "conserve," which is where HRC is and has been. Conserving (aka preserving and building on) a progressive/liberal tradition that goes back centuries isn't as politically sexy or easy as the radical right or the radical left (with their lack of nuance and absence of pragmatism), but it is what works and it is what has the potential to work even better in the future. Pragmatic liberals rule (because they win elections and because they understand nuance and compromise and the "arc of history.")
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No true Bernie supporter could ever vote for an ignorant racist/misogynist like Trump. People who say they will are Trumpists from the get-go..Period!
Trashing Hillary and the DNC until words fail will not broaden the base of Sanders. He attracts white liberals, especially young white liberals. That is a very good sign for the future Bernie is the most progressive candidate in decades. But he is not Obama, who is a brilliant charismatic orator, and he does not attract the minority vote. Two essentials for a newcomer to national politics like Bernie. This is the reality in this right-of-center nation.
Hillary has many obvious flaws and has made many mistakes but If bridges to party unity are destroyed by those who fail to understand US politics for what they are, then they will be to blame for a complete right wing coup, ending any hope for a future Bernie Sanders...forever. It is that serious.
Trashing Hillary and the DNC until words fail will not broaden the base of Sanders. He attracts white liberals, especially young white liberals. That is a very good sign for the future Bernie is the most progressive candidate in decades. But he is not Obama, who is a brilliant charismatic orator, and he does not attract the minority vote. Two essentials for a newcomer to national politics like Bernie. This is the reality in this right-of-center nation.
Hillary has many obvious flaws and has made many mistakes but If bridges to party unity are destroyed by those who fail to understand US politics for what they are, then they will be to blame for a complete right wing coup, ending any hope for a future Bernie Sanders...forever. It is that serious.
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Just as Clinton blames "the bimbos" for leading her husband astray, the blaming of the Sandsers supporters has already begun. It is always somebody else's fault for their mistakes, bad judgement, and tone deafness. If Clinton loses in Novermber she will have nobody but herself, the DNC and her team, who were busy planning for a coronation,not a real primary contest, to blame. If they and the supporters continue to blame the people in the country who tried to exercise their Democratic privilege to support a different candidate for the nomination they will cause serious disunity to the party and lose a good deal of their younger voters.
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The Bimbo reference for example is straight out of the Trump smear campaign. We can see which side that supports for sure.
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Interesting how Hillary supporters suggest that Bernie's Liberals have no where to go in the election but to Hillary, but don't consider how Hillary's Black supporters will be subject to the same dilemma. In November the Black vote that went for Hillary will go for Sanders (although it won't matter quite as much because a lot of those votes and delegates came out of the deep South where Democrats - Sanders or Clinton, won't win).
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Hillary Clinton is a Democrat. Most of her policies are Democratic.
Her voting record is quite similar to Bernie's.
Stop believing Republican talking points and Republican opposition work, honed since the 1990s, and very skillful.
Vote in every election, including getting in a Democratic Congress and states and towns and countrysides, if you want to survive the next decades.
Climate change
Support for working stiffs
check the platforms and policies. And take a look at what the Clinton Foundation actually does.
Her voting record is quite similar to Bernie's.
Stop believing Republican talking points and Republican opposition work, honed since the 1990s, and very skillful.
Vote in every election, including getting in a Democratic Congress and states and towns and countrysides, if you want to survive the next decades.
Climate change
Support for working stiffs
check the platforms and policies. And take a look at what the Clinton Foundation actually does.
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Any Sanders staffers (including, I feel compelled to say, any who happen to be a presidential candidate in this election cycle: but most especially senior staff formulating strategy, courting delegates, writing campaign and advertising speeches and rhetoric) who fail to thoroughly read this article and assimilate its implications, and send out the proper message to democratic voters deserves to be fired.
Hillary is openly courting republican voters (look at the use of her word "SIMPLY") as a closet republican.
"SIMPLY" means: "I'm on the same page as you politically, wink, wink, and I'll more RELIABLY deliver the goods Trump is promising but is to "risky" to deliver."
Hillary is openly courting republican voters (look at the use of her word "SIMPLY") as a closet republican.
"SIMPLY" means: "I'm on the same page as you politically, wink, wink, and I'll more RELIABLY deliver the goods Trump is promising but is to "risky" to deliver."
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Your interpretation of facts is "SIMPLY" your opinion, without any stated facts to substantiate it.
Another thing -- courting the support of would-be Republican Trump-voters, is not at all a bad thing because some people actually DON'T want to see Donald Trump in the White House.
Another thing -- courting the support of would-be Republican Trump-voters, is not at all a bad thing because some people actually DON'T want to see Donald Trump in the White House.
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"Simply" in this context means that Trumps apparent or putative riskiness or volatility "is what disqualifies him", implicitly as opposed to other criteria that implicitly should not disqualify him. In other words Hillary is implying that those seeking Trump's agenda can get what they want from Hillary without the risk Trump entails.
If Hillary is "low-risk" to conservative republicans, she is by definition "high-risk" to democrat voters with a liberal agenda, unless you take the Hillary bate and take the "risk" as referring to the possibility of starting a nuclear war (something in fact Trump has suggested he could do). No: I believe she is telling republicans "it's safe to vote for me" because "I have your back; just wait and see when I'm elected and I can drop this pandering-to-Bernie supporters leftward shift nonsense: Bill and I are pro big business, pro Wall Street, pro big banks, pro hedge funds, pro Goldnan Sachs just like bill always was and we Clintons always shall be."
If Hillary is "low-risk" to conservative republicans, she is by definition "high-risk" to democrat voters with a liberal agenda, unless you take the Hillary bate and take the "risk" as referring to the possibility of starting a nuclear war (something in fact Trump has suggested he could do). No: I believe she is telling republicans "it's safe to vote for me" because "I have your back; just wait and see when I'm elected and I can drop this pandering-to-Bernie supporters leftward shift nonsense: Bill and I are pro big business, pro Wall Street, pro big banks, pro hedge funds, pro Goldnan Sachs just like bill always was and we Clintons always shall be."
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It might be helpful for Mrs. Clinton to win over the Democrats BEFORE she starts worrying about Republicans.
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Just for the record. The fact that Clinton is in the lead by over 3 MILLION popular votes attests to her standing with Democrats -- Real ones, that is.
But not necessarily, Sanders-supporters-who-will-probably-vote-for-Trump-if-Sanders-doesn't-get-the-nomination-Democrats..
But not necessarily, Sanders-supporters-who-will-probably-vote-for-Trump-if-Sanders-doesn't-get-the-nomination-Democrats..
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She needs to win over her own party first.
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She has millions more votes than either Trump or Senator Sanders so your post seems uninformed at best desperate at worse.
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The 3 million vote statement is a red herring! We don't know how many votes Sanders got in the states where he won overwhelmingly by caucus. And we don't know how many more votes he would get from Independents who would vote for him in closed primary's if they could. It really means nothing, and Hillary wouldn't be ahead in delegates if the primary's were open, debates hadn't been restricted, and the msm had not ignored him. This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her; i.e., no credibility.
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Like many college students at that time, she had doubts about the government’s handling of civil rights and the war in Vietnam. By her senior year, the Rockefeller Republican had become a Eugene McCarthy Democrat.
OK???
OK???
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Quite possibly a quick refresher course might be needed for those unfamiliar with "Viet Nam", "Rockefeller" and "McCarthy"....
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Well...given how difficult it appears to be for Ms. Clinton to "woo" Republican voters, this should put to rest once and for all any idea that she is, as many Sanders supporters claim, "Republican lite."
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This article fails to mention perhaps the most important lesson that Hillary Clinton is sure to have learned during the 1964 Johnson-Goldwater election. Johnson is widely credited for winning the election by successfully portraying Goldwater as "risky." If Hillary can come up with the modern-day equivalent of Johnson's "Daisy" attack ad (http://bit.ly/1WCXiPU) she would do to Trump what Johnson did to Goldwater.
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Hillary can't even win Democrats and has almost as many woman problems as her husband. She needs to turn on the charm.
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I am a Sanders Democrat. I am tired of the millionaire real estate developers pulling the strings in Washington.
That's why I am voting Trump. Hillary is a front for big NY real estate developers. Trump is a working class guy and has the humility for the office, unlike the braggart Clinton.
That's why I am voting Trump. Hillary is a front for big NY real estate developers. Trump is a working class guy and has the humility for the office, unlike the braggart Clinton.
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This is crazy. I hope it was meant to be ironical.
"millionaire real estate developers" who have four bankruptcies to their name, and lie about everything? There is nothing working class about Trump; he inherited money, and Daddy rescued him before he started losing other people's money.
"millionaire real estate developers" who have four bankruptcies to their name, and lie about everything? There is nothing working class about Trump; he inherited money, and Daddy rescued him before he started losing other people's money.
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A Sander's Democrat planning to vote for Trump is out to lunch. I'm strong for Sanders, not crazy about Hillary, but will have no problem voting for her. Fellow liberals and radicals, moderates…….get smart.
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Fran: I guess it's you and the Breitbart folks who think this way.
Yes, most "working class" youngsters get a million from the old man and got to avoid the draft during VietNam because as Donald said: "my foot hurts".
Yes, most "working class" youngsters get a million from the old man and got to avoid the draft during VietNam because as Donald said: "my foot hurts".
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It's unlikely. I'm more concerned about her ability to win over Sanders supporters who've been turned off by both the Clinton campaign and the media marginalizing him and his supporters. The Times is not helping this by reporting "From Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates" instead of reporting on what happened in Nevada to make them so angry, and not allowing comments on that article. You can do better.
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What's far more worrisome (than comments like this), is the fact that so many Sanders supporters are actually going to vote for Donald Trump.
Another thing. The Sanders outrage in NV was picked up by the AP (Associated Press) news wire service. THEY DON'T LIE.
You can Google it.
Another thing. The Sanders outrage in NV was picked up by the AP (Associated Press) news wire service. THEY DON'T LIE.
You can Google it.
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So the publishers of this august newspaper have decided the primaries are over and the contest is Clinton vs T rump. And maybe they are right.
I could be the ideological twin to Bernie Sanders and I have been so all my adult life (a long time). I am especially close to Sanders when he says he will do everything in his power to keep a republican out of the White House.
That is good enough for me and it should be good enough for any of those Bernie supporters who quiver at the thought of Clinton in the White House.
To those Bernie folks who say Clinton is no better than T rump I say, "Grow a pair, get off yer butts and get to work to get a democrat into the White House."
Clinton is far to the left of George W. Bush, T rump, or Romney, She is probably far to the left of Bill Clinton.
She will be a far sight better than any republican and it is past time for progressives and liberals and moderates to stop wishing for the perfect and get on with the business of government and putting a stop to the downward...rightward....drift into banana republican status the republicans are taking US.
I could be the ideological twin to Bernie Sanders and I have been so all my adult life (a long time). I am especially close to Sanders when he says he will do everything in his power to keep a republican out of the White House.
That is good enough for me and it should be good enough for any of those Bernie supporters who quiver at the thought of Clinton in the White House.
To those Bernie folks who say Clinton is no better than T rump I say, "Grow a pair, get off yer butts and get to work to get a democrat into the White House."
Clinton is far to the left of George W. Bush, T rump, or Romney, She is probably far to the left of Bill Clinton.
She will be a far sight better than any republican and it is past time for progressives and liberals and moderates to stop wishing for the perfect and get on with the business of government and putting a stop to the downward...rightward....drift into banana republican status the republicans are taking US.
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Electing husband and wife teams as presidents is pretty much what they do in banana republics. And the husbands and wives get incredibly rich, even though they may have started from nothing.
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Hillary continues to audit progressive causes, as if she's still studying matriculation. You're almost seventy, Hillary. I'm sure you'd "get something done with a Republican Congress." That's exactly what worries a lot of people.
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Clinton should worry about winning over a large percentage of unimpressed Democrats first. Then she can move on to Republicans.
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Clinton has over 3 MILLION Democratic popular votes...do the math.
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What's bemusing about the vociferous anti Hillary Clinton cohorts is their righteous indignation. Oftentimes those who yell and condemn the loudest and most vociferously are usually living a closeted lie or they are trying to distract from their own character failings.
It seems to me that Hillary Clinton is a convenient personality canvas on which the "Hillary Haters" can paint a caricature of their inner demons. There's no redemption in their form of religion or politics just mean-spiritedness.
What we do know after decades of Mrs. Clinton being in the public eye is that she has withstood these withering humiliations, yet she keeps pushing forward and she keeps growing.
Maya Angelo sums it up best:
You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.
Perhaps it is her incredible resilience and her obvious brilliance that position her at this time in history to be the first woman President of the United States of America.
It seems to me that Hillary Clinton is a convenient personality canvas on which the "Hillary Haters" can paint a caricature of their inner demons. There's no redemption in their form of religion or politics just mean-spiritedness.
What we do know after decades of Mrs. Clinton being in the public eye is that she has withstood these withering humiliations, yet she keeps pushing forward and she keeps growing.
Maya Angelo sums it up best:
You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.
Perhaps it is her incredible resilience and her obvious brilliance that position her at this time in history to be the first woman President of the United States of America.
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The personal attacks and character judgments are most amusing. How many of these people have actual first hand knowledge? Or have met, spoken to and spent any time with Ms. Clinton?
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I don't know her stand on issues because they change from day to day, week to week. And I'm a 63-year-old true feminist who was never enamoured of right-wing ideas, so stop playing the woman card (we're all sick of hearing it). I don't bet on the type of resilience people like HRC show, because it isn't "brilliance" ... it's contrivance. She'll say anything to get into office. And once thre, she has already promised little to no change from the policies that are killing the middle class.
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Why do you need to personally know her to recognize that it was terrible judgment to have a separate email server while she served as SOS (I'm more concerned with the FOIA implications than the security issues) or to collect fees from paid speeches up until two months before announcing her run? I don't need to know her to see that both of those decisions are bad judgment, plain and simple.
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The only way she might have had a chance to win over Republicans would've been if she had switched parties after 2008. In fact, had she done that, she would've been a shoe in. After all, she's a Republican In Dem Clothing at heart.
But because of her neo-liberal, conservative philosophy, she's alienating the people who she needs to win over: liberals and independents. This is why she's going to cost the Dems the election against a guy who should be easy to beat. The DNC and MSM's rush to anoint her will haunt them after November if they don't come to their senses and nominate Sanders.
But because of her neo-liberal, conservative philosophy, she's alienating the people who she needs to win over: liberals and independents. This is why she's going to cost the Dems the election against a guy who should be easy to beat. The DNC and MSM's rush to anoint her will haunt them after November if they don't come to their senses and nominate Sanders.
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Actually, they won't let it "haunt them" ... they'll just continue blaming those "stupid" people who supported Sanders, you know, those of us who actually want someone who means "change" as something other than an advertising slogan.
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Nobody listened to Cassandra before the Battle at Troy either.
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You obviously think that Sanders is the only "liberal" in the game -- Well, here's a surprise for you. There are millions of liberal Democrats, and I mean real ones, not those in-name-only* like Sanders -- who will vote for Clinton because a Trump alternative is absolutely out of the picture.
Sanders and his "revolution" will be over before it got started with a Republican President in the White House....Get real.
Sanders and his "revolution" will be over before it got started with a Republican President in the White House....Get real.
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Look, it's not so much Hillary, who in any other party might not be a bad choice for president, it's that whole baggage train she brings with her known as the Democrat Party with Beelzebubba included. The president will appoint over 3000 bureaucrats, secretaries, judges and various hanger-ons. We know largely who they will be. The same people who got us into the current mess under Obama. It's for that reason that I would vote for Pee Wee Herman if the Republicans nominated him.
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The vast scope of your misinformation is truly daunting. But if you think that this country hasn't fared well under Obama, you are very well placed as a Trump-Republican.
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The ex-Goldwater Girl turned into a typical big government Democrat. The Hillary answer to every problem Americans face is another government program, more taxes, and more spending. Candidate Hillary is promising everything to everyone; as usual with Democrats, she is attempting to buy votes. That gets kind of tough to do as the federal debt approaches $20 trillion, up from less than $11 trillion when Obama took office. Hillary should have remained a Goldwater Girl, but then she never would have hooked up with her meal ticket Bill Clinton who is the only reason she ever rose to prominence.
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The political left in American very much needs a party that represents its values. The current Democratic Party, with Hillary as its nominee following in the path of her husband and Obama, is not that party.
This article foreshadows Hillary's inevitable drift to the right, if she's the nominee.
When she loses to Trump because progressives, fed up with the current Democratic Party, stayed home or voted for Green Party Jill Stein (my preference if Bernie isn't an option), establishment Democrats will berate us progressives for not supporting Hillary.
Before berating us, the Democratic Party needs to look at itself, at the Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary path that it's on, to see that the current Democratic Party, without Sanders, isn't the party of progressives.
This article foreshadows Hillary's inevitable drift to the right, if she's the nominee.
When she loses to Trump because progressives, fed up with the current Democratic Party, stayed home or voted for Green Party Jill Stein (my preference if Bernie isn't an option), establishment Democrats will berate us progressives for not supporting Hillary.
Before berating us, the Democratic Party needs to look at itself, at the Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary path that it's on, to see that the current Democratic Party, without Sanders, isn't the party of progressives.
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It is astonishing to me that some Americans want to double down on what has already proven to be a failed idea...voting for outsiders who are more like bulls in a china shop than thoughtful legislators. As I recall, things worked just fine when we had a Congress full of insiders who knew how to negotiate with each other and were willing to compromise. It was only after we voted in the Tea Party that Congress reached its lowest rating ever.
So now the American people diss politicians like Hillary Clinton who know what they are doing on policy from domestic to foreign and understand the complexities of both so we can have more loose cannons such as Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders who just say whatever sounds good, realistic or not? No thanks! I have been a Hillary supporter since 2008 and I can't believe this election is even close! There is simply no comparison between her and the other candidates.
I guess it really is a liability in our society to be a successful and intelligent woman. Or perhaps not...despite the press repeatedly claiming that she is unpopular, somehow she has the most votes.
So now the American people diss politicians like Hillary Clinton who know what they are doing on policy from domestic to foreign and understand the complexities of both so we can have more loose cannons such as Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders who just say whatever sounds good, realistic or not? No thanks! I have been a Hillary supporter since 2008 and I can't believe this election is even close! There is simply no comparison between her and the other candidates.
I guess it really is a liability in our society to be a successful and intelligent woman. Or perhaps not...despite the press repeatedly claiming that she is unpopular, somehow she has the most votes.
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No sane person can vote for a man who calls Mexican immigrants murderers and rapists, a Birther whose personal butler wants to lynch President Obama (imagine their conversations!). Trump’s nomination is a disgrace on many fronts.. It says so much about our nation and it is all bad. It is one thing to be attracted by racism and xenophobia, and a promise of economic justice. It is another to be unable to realize that Trump is an incoherent fraud. That is what is so shocking and frightening….the acceptance of Trump’s con game without question by millions of desperate people.
Hillary has her flaws, but she is tough and smart. If Bernie and Hillary can find a way to join forces, the Democrats will win with a victory large enough to take back all three branches of government. If the Bernie legacy has gained the momentum it needs, then it would then be able to flourish in a world where it would be more than just a fleeting hope. It is the brightest of thoughts in these very dark times.
Hillary has her flaws, but she is tough and smart. If Bernie and Hillary can find a way to join forces, the Democrats will win with a victory large enough to take back all three branches of government. If the Bernie legacy has gained the momentum it needs, then it would then be able to flourish in a world where it would be more than just a fleeting hope. It is the brightest of thoughts in these very dark times.
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Clinton's problem would be to hold on to the 40% of the independent/democratic Bernie supporters.
If she is looking past them that is a sure bet to lose the election and we wait for 4 more years till we get the first Female President of the United States Elizabeth Warren.
Maybe she is realistic and do not see any chance to woo the Bernie supporters, a really diverse group of activist, including White, Black, Hispanics, Hindus, Sikhs. Muslims, Christians, Jewish, and atheist etc. with all age groups represented in Bernie's tent. This has been an unusual phenomena, and happens very rarely in politics.
This Goldwater Girl wants to take US back 16 years and give us back the 90’s when US had a surplus. Yes that was before the Glass Steagall was abolished by the Clintons, resulting in the greatest meltdown of our financial system since the great depression.
Give me a break, I want the country moving forward with today’s realities, past is history and we should learn from it, not copy it.
Recycled goods are recycled after all.
If she is looking past them that is a sure bet to lose the election and we wait for 4 more years till we get the first Female President of the United States Elizabeth Warren.
Maybe she is realistic and do not see any chance to woo the Bernie supporters, a really diverse group of activist, including White, Black, Hispanics, Hindus, Sikhs. Muslims, Christians, Jewish, and atheist etc. with all age groups represented in Bernie's tent. This has been an unusual phenomena, and happens very rarely in politics.
This Goldwater Girl wants to take US back 16 years and give us back the 90’s when US had a surplus. Yes that was before the Glass Steagall was abolished by the Clintons, resulting in the greatest meltdown of our financial system since the great depression.
Give me a break, I want the country moving forward with today’s realities, past is history and we should learn from it, not copy it.
Recycled goods are recycled after all.
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I guess it's official: Hillary has abandoned her pose as a Progressive, and finally "come out" as the closet Republican she is.
And yet, even as she reaches out to disaffected Republican voters--presumably having given up on her Sanders impersonation--she still harbors hopes that we Sanders supporters will fall in line because we have no alternative! As usual playing both sides against the middle, trying to be all things to all people.
Obama made the same mistake, shortly after his Inauguration, dismissing a sizable contingent of his voters as "the professional Left," while seeking to curry favor with his enemies on the Right. Any wonder we all stayed home for the Congressional midterm elections?
The "democratic wing" of the Democratic Party persists in supporting Sanders because he's the only candidate who proposes to represent the majority of the people. I'm sorry we're such an annoyance to Hillary, but we want to return to a TWO party system!
And yet, even as she reaches out to disaffected Republican voters--presumably having given up on her Sanders impersonation--she still harbors hopes that we Sanders supporters will fall in line because we have no alternative! As usual playing both sides against the middle, trying to be all things to all people.
Obama made the same mistake, shortly after his Inauguration, dismissing a sizable contingent of his voters as "the professional Left," while seeking to curry favor with his enemies on the Right. Any wonder we all stayed home for the Congressional midterm elections?
The "democratic wing" of the Democratic Party persists in supporting Sanders because he's the only candidate who proposes to represent the majority of the people. I'm sorry we're such an annoyance to Hillary, but we want to return to a TWO party system!
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As a Bernie or Buster from the beginning, I can't help but say I told you so at her latest shape-shifting triangulation. The woman truly stands for NOTHING other than what serves her insatiable lust for power and wealth at any given moment. We're not even through with the primaries, and she's already abandoning her faux progressivism and moving to the right, more than solidifying my decision this Fall.
I'll be voting for the honest, decent liberal woman running for President: Jill Stein
I'll be voting for the honest, decent liberal woman running for President: Jill Stein
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A hit job designated as a fuzzy look back at Hillary's past. Red meat for supporters of Sanders. Anyone who thinks there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, is at heart no matter what they insist, a believer in Trumpism, no matter how racist and offensive.
If you can say you hate Hillary so much that you will vote for Trump or stay home to ensure he wins, chances are pretty good you probably agree with him on a lot which is very disturbing if you claim to support Sanders. In no universe except the one of chaos and spite, is Trump a better leader, human being, compassionate and caring person than Hillary.
If you can say you hate Hillary so much that you will vote for Trump or stay home to ensure he wins, chances are pretty good you probably agree with him on a lot which is very disturbing if you claim to support Sanders. In no universe except the one of chaos and spite, is Trump a better leader, human being, compassionate and caring person than Hillary.
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Really, you're a personal friend? You have no idea who she is. You don't know anything except the pap you're fed. If you want to know what's wrong take some Dramamine and look in the mirror.
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Another "We have to vote Hillary or we'll get Trump" scare post! And I didn't realize I was a closet Trump supporter because I wanted to reign in Wall Street and help the working and middle class! Thanks for enlightening me!
This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her.
This post sounds like one of those made by the agency Hillary hired and is spending $1 million to support her and counter anything opposing her.
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The short answer is NO!
The palpable hatred of Hillary extends throughout the Republican DNA for good reason. She and the Democrats are destroying this country. Sure, a few imbeciles who are in the "#NeverTrump" clown car will just not vote at all, but the "Never Hillary Express Locomotive" is rapidly gaining speed. What was it in West Virginia? 44 % of Bernie voters will vote Trump? Trump 2016!
The palpable hatred of Hillary extends throughout the Republican DNA for good reason. She and the Democrats are destroying this country. Sure, a few imbeciles who are in the "#NeverTrump" clown car will just not vote at all, but the "Never Hillary Express Locomotive" is rapidly gaining speed. What was it in West Virginia? 44 % of Bernie voters will vote Trump? Trump 2016!
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[[Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans?]]
The better question is, can Hillary Clinton, malfunctioning robot, inspire democrats? And if the question has to be asked, then the answer should scare the daylights out of her and her handlers.
Or not.
The good news for her is, win or lose, she and her family will still be millionaires.
The better question is, can Hillary Clinton, malfunctioning robot, inspire democrats? And if the question has to be asked, then the answer should scare the daylights out of her and her handlers.
Or not.
The good news for her is, win or lose, she and her family will still be millionaires.
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The sad part is all the dupes that will think the world is ending will have to start anew on the next narrative which will take the NYT several years to manufacture.
Those who fear Sanders' socialism can rest assured that Ms. Clinton is not opposed to individuals obtaining great wealth. The Clintons have been rapacious in collecting wealth through their "foundation," speaking engagements and influence peddling. Surely they would not turn their back on others of the establishment who want to do the same, especially if they are political donors.
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Many of us who support Sanders will vote for HRC. After all half a loaf is better than none...even if it is the right half of the loaf.
We will not, however, be fooled into thinking that she will do much to change the course toward the equality and justice we need. Did you see the picture of Sheldon Adelson in the NYTimes on Sunday? Old, with a face etched by years of evil. A delusional narcissism that thinks his dyed hair and comb over fool anybody. If he thinks he can fool us with that, what else does he stupidly think he can fool us with? Although they don't currently support HRC, he and the clueless Koch bro. are the quintessential HRC supporter. Only Trump is worse, but not by a lot.
We will not, however, be fooled into thinking that she will do much to change the course toward the equality and justice we need. Did you see the picture of Sheldon Adelson in the NYTimes on Sunday? Old, with a face etched by years of evil. A delusional narcissism that thinks his dyed hair and comb over fool anybody. If he thinks he can fool us with that, what else does he stupidly think he can fool us with? Although they don't currently support HRC, he and the clueless Koch bro. are the quintessential HRC supporter. Only Trump is worse, but not by a lot.
4
Agree with all but the "will vote for Hillary in the end", part!
6
I think if she reaches out to key Republican donors with a keen sense of pragmatism, she will have this election on lock. If she can get a few of them on her side, more money, more ads, and hopefully more disenchanted Republican voters. It's a winning strategy.
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Hilary's winning over Republicans ... the ones who are buying her. $1700/head for an audience is pretty cheap.
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Shameless courtesan, courting Jeb Bush's 'donors' — not voters, but donors. Long live the oligarchy.
Goldwater Girl, you may go back to your republican roots and opportunistic rhizomes. I prefer organic farming and will stay with Bernie Sanders through fire and ice.
Goldwater Girl, you may go back to your republican roots and opportunistic rhizomes. I prefer organic farming and will stay with Bernie Sanders through fire and ice.
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Mrs. Clinton's moves to woo Republicans smacks of desperation.
Actually, a very sad development, only because it makes complete sense. HRC does not yet enjoy unambiguous support from anyone inside her party, which clearly, she's entitled to. Never mind support, in many ways key people like Obama and Biden appear to be, in their actions and even silence, against her winning, albeit indirectly. Her latest moves also include looping in her husband Bill, a head-scratching two-for-one pitch to voters that's also questionable and feels desperate.
One hopes we're not witnessing public self- disintegration of HRC's candidacy. But let's face it: she's under extreme stress, that too from all sides. A hostile opponent in Trump who won't hesitate to pull all the punches, a grump old Sanders who's got nothing better to do than snipe at her heels, a miffed ex-hopeful in Biden who expected he'd be the uncontested nominee by established protocol before HRC played spoiler, his buddy Barack who doubtless has his own list of grievances, and finally First Lady Michelle who's rumored to despise her.
Basically Hillary's having problems counting friends with fingers on one hand. That's pathetic but also very sad! Hopefully, there's no public HRC meltdown in the offing. Certainly possible, the stress does appear extreme. Someone better do something, not looking good. Best wishes.
Actually, a very sad development, only because it makes complete sense. HRC does not yet enjoy unambiguous support from anyone inside her party, which clearly, she's entitled to. Never mind support, in many ways key people like Obama and Biden appear to be, in their actions and even silence, against her winning, albeit indirectly. Her latest moves also include looping in her husband Bill, a head-scratching two-for-one pitch to voters that's also questionable and feels desperate.
One hopes we're not witnessing public self- disintegration of HRC's candidacy. But let's face it: she's under extreme stress, that too from all sides. A hostile opponent in Trump who won't hesitate to pull all the punches, a grump old Sanders who's got nothing better to do than snipe at her heels, a miffed ex-hopeful in Biden who expected he'd be the uncontested nominee by established protocol before HRC played spoiler, his buddy Barack who doubtless has his own list of grievances, and finally First Lady Michelle who's rumored to despise her.
Basically Hillary's having problems counting friends with fingers on one hand. That's pathetic but also very sad! Hopefully, there's no public HRC meltdown in the offing. Certainly possible, the stress does appear extreme. Someone better do something, not looking good. Best wishes.
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HRC has no message, no theme, nothing to offer us to digest except her record as Secretary, what we remember from Bill, and fits and starts in the Senate. Unless she gets her head out of her policy book, finds her voice (preferably without the yell), Trump is President. Right now running from one side of the cage to the other like a demented gerbil does not help. She has the chops, but will she use them? Bernie can sing a 440 A over and over, can she? From here, this one is over. Move on to the Donald.
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"How did a nice Republican girl from Park Ridge go so wrong?"
She ran in the Democratic Party. Not a unique case, the same problem applies to her husband.
She ran in the Democratic Party. Not a unique case, the same problem applies to her husband.
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Her husband who Presided over the longest uninterrupted stretch of economic expansion in US history?
The guy who left office with a budget surplus?
That one?
Yeah, I bet you'd prefer another debt riddled rightist leader like W or his daddy or the draft dodger Reagan.
Sorry, we Americans have had enough rightst leaders for a lifetime.
We can't afford another.
The guy who left office with a budget surplus?
That one?
Yeah, I bet you'd prefer another debt riddled rightist leader like W or his daddy or the draft dodger Reagan.
Sorry, we Americans have had enough rightst leaders for a lifetime.
We can't afford another.
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All this whining about Hilary not being the ideal candidate. They would prefer a one-trick pony or a bombastic salesman to run the country. Neither of whom know more than what is presented in Sunday morning talk shows. I'll vote for the pragmatic centralist to get things done. Staying home and not voting is a vote for the winner. So if Donald Trump does win, all those who couldn't vote for Hilary because he wasn't Bernie might as well have voted for Trump.
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I'm sick and tired of Clinton supporters using the "one trick pony" line. If you truly think that then you must not read the papers or listen to the news. Even though there has been a bit of a blackout on Bernie, his views on all the issues thst are facing this country have been well articulated.
His clearly articulated view of the danger of the power of money, corporations and lobbyists and the damage those have done to our democracy, our policies and our people is something that frankly impacts not just the economy but also foreign policy, health policy, corproate regulation as well as workers rights, the environment and forever war.
As for Clinton being a centerist.....she's not. As for being pragmatic...if you define pragmatic as a "can't do attitude" then I guess you are right. It's cant do for humans but a rousing can do for corporations.
His clearly articulated view of the danger of the power of money, corporations and lobbyists and the damage those have done to our democracy, our policies and our people is something that frankly impacts not just the economy but also foreign policy, health policy, corproate regulation as well as workers rights, the environment and forever war.
As for Clinton being a centerist.....she's not. As for being pragmatic...if you define pragmatic as a "can't do attitude" then I guess you are right. It's cant do for humans but a rousing can do for corporations.
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Another "We have to vote Hillary or we'll get Trump" scare post!
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Yes, when HRC was a child she thought like Barry Goldwater and many rightists.
Then she grew up.
Then she grew up.
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Remember that we are electing a President for the whole country, not just for a party. For a candidate to build bridges to the other party isn't treason - it is how things should work.
Hillary Clinton grew up in a conservative family, and she broke with the Republican party over the racism in Nixon's 1968 campaign. That seems like a pretty good reason to me. It would be great if current Republicans would be similarly appalled at what their party has become, and if they would make the same switch.
Hillary Clinton grew up in a conservative family, and she broke with the Republican party over the racism in Nixon's 1968 campaign. That seems like a pretty good reason to me. It would be great if current Republicans would be similarly appalled at what their party has become, and if they would make the same switch.
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Regrettably, this election will be more about who scares the populace the most rather than who inspires the populace the most. I would suggest that Hillary is not really trying so much to woo Republicans all the way to her side (though that would be good for her) as she is trying to convince Republicans, and especially independents, that whatever else they do -- vote for a third party candidate, stay home, write someone's name in -- they simply cannot vote for Trump.
She will still have to work hard to present a positive message, and to convince voters that she will work for a better future for people on all points of the political spectrum, but a lot will depend on Bernie. If he will not simply endorse her candidacy, but will actually go out and campaign for her, she will cruise to victory. She will never woo enough people from the right to actually vote for her, but she does need to get a substantial number of Bernie supporters to do so.
She will still have to work hard to present a positive message, and to convince voters that she will work for a better future for people on all points of the political spectrum, but a lot will depend on Bernie. If he will not simply endorse her candidacy, but will actually go out and campaign for her, she will cruise to victory. She will never woo enough people from the right to actually vote for her, but she does need to get a substantial number of Bernie supporters to do so.
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The idea that Hillary Clinton is a flawed candidate plays very well into the Donald Trump view of an America in decline.
guess what? it's propaganda. Hill is the best qualified candidate we've seen in decades. And, she happens to be the only revolutionary choice.
guess what? it's propaganda. Hill is the best qualified candidate we've seen in decades. And, she happens to be the only revolutionary choice.
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Hillary will not be able to beat Trump if she continues to rely on her tone deaf campaign staff and ossified cohorts. People will listen to her better if she just comes out to say that all her past mistakes and changes are part of being a human being who is constantly learning and improving. Being honest and embracing humility will be the best weapon to defeat Trump. Disclose the Wall Street speeches will be the first major salvo with the swift and significant impact to change the dynamics of the campaign. Show us the real person she really is and people will then start to reevaluate their choices.
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I actually think this is great advice.
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I agree, except if she releases the Wall St. speeches it will show she has been lying all the time!
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I'm sure Hillary can win over Republicans. Choosing Bill to work on the economy is just what Republicans want.
Bill Clinton gave Wall Street the tools needed to crash the economy by repealing Glass-Steagle - ultimately taking the world economy to its knees. And NAFTA to skim more money from Amercan wage earners and ship jobs to the lowest bidders overseas. Mo Money, Mo Money. And finally, to cement his conservative Republican bonafides he gave us Welfare Reform; Bill don't like 'takers'.
If you're a Republican, what's not to love about a third term for Bill...er, I mean Hillary?
Bill Clinton gave Wall Street the tools needed to crash the economy by repealing Glass-Steagle - ultimately taking the world economy to its knees. And NAFTA to skim more money from Amercan wage earners and ship jobs to the lowest bidders overseas. Mo Money, Mo Money. And finally, to cement his conservative Republican bonafides he gave us Welfare Reform; Bill don't like 'takers'.
If you're a Republican, what's not to love about a third term for Bill...er, I mean Hillary?
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One basic test of a politician’s honesty is whether that person tells the truth when on the campaign trail, and by that standard Clinton does well. PolitiFact, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking site, calculates that of the Hillary Clinton statements it has examined, 50 percent are either true or mostly true.
That compares to 49 percent for Bernie Sanders’s, 22 percent for Ted Cruz’s and….wait for it… 9 percent for Donald Trump’s.
That compares to 49 percent for Bernie Sanders’s, 22 percent for Ted Cruz’s and….wait for it… 9 percent for Donald Trump’s.
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Hillary was never a Goldwater girl. No more than she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary or was under snyperfire in Bosnia. These are just more of her biographical lies. So she has no conservatism to tap into.
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Julie Walters: PolitiFact, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking site, calculates that of the Hillary Clinton statements it has examined, 50 percent are either true or mostly true. That compares to 49 percent for Bernie Sanders’s, 22 percent for Ted Cruz’s and….wait for it… 9 percent for Donald Trump’s. Even if you believe Hillary was never a Goldwater Girl, not named after Sir Edmund Hillary or didn't experience sniper fire in Bosnia, she most certainly is a conservative.
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Yeah, she conserves her net worth to help pay for the attorneys.
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It is a chilling truth that today's oligarchs, Romney and Clinton, have things to talk about. They may say it's about Trump's demeanor but in truth the deconstruction of the failed establishment elements of both parties have them singing a similar tune.
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Sanders has no real chance and he knows it. He is actually 3 million behind in the popular vote. All he can do is threaten to bring Hillary down through a third party run or a hugely divisive 1968 style Democratic Convention. You know , the convention that put Richard Nixon in the White House.
It appears that Sanders is much more like Trump than anyone knew. He is looking more like a narcissist that cares more about his own ego than he does about avoiding a right wing coup.
If the battle is lost to the Republicans there will be no way to end Citizen's United and stop the flow of the dark money into local elections that has bought many GOP-controlled state legislatures, congressmen and governors; no way to stop the Supreme Court-assisted assault on voters' rights; no way to put an end to systematic and highly effective Republican REDMAP gerrymandering engineered by Karl Rove.
It appears that Sanders is much more like Trump than anyone knew. He is looking more like a narcissist that cares more about his own ego than he does about avoiding a right wing coup.
If the battle is lost to the Republicans there will be no way to end Citizen's United and stop the flow of the dark money into local elections that has bought many GOP-controlled state legislatures, congressmen and governors; no way to stop the Supreme Court-assisted assault on voters' rights; no way to put an end to systematic and highly effective Republican REDMAP gerrymandering engineered by Karl Rove.
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I've been a registered republican for 50 years. I've been calling the Clinton headquarters here in town to see if they have "Republicans for Clinton" signs printed up yet. Oh, and I was a Rockefeller girl, too. I'd like the Bernie Kids to know that people can change views as we grow older. It doesn't mean that we are untrustworthy, it means that a life time of experience, and tough knocks can often create empathy for others as well as wisdom for what can truthfully be done in such a divided democracy as ours. Wisdom can also bring a certain moral high ground that cannot bend to Republican party as it stands now.
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HILLARY Has been pilloried, as it turn out, from time immemorial, even during her youth. What is clear is that the upcoming presidential election will not be won on the basis of popularity. Nor for preparedness for the job. In that regard, Hillary, like her or not, stands heads above the other candidates. Bernie can be a shining example of political peacemaking and building of the Democratic base by vociferously exhorting his young followers to do the right thing and vote for Hillary, since he's most likely going to have eventually cede the candidacy to her. I hope that they have backchannels in place and are working on a denouement, for the sake of the party and the nation. Imagine Hillary, at a young age, being required to argue in favor of LBJ, whom she found to be negative. To me that shows impressive self-discipline and strength of character that she would undertake such a challenge in the interest of better developing her mind and talents. As time goes on, I'm convinced that many GOP voters are going to stay home in November. Trump's unfavorable rating among GOP voters is the majority of voters down the line. I think it's constructive for Hillary to try to build bridges with the GOP. Whether she'll make any headway now or in the future looks anything but certain. Me, I think there's going to be an August Surprise at the GOP convention where Paul Ryan will emerge from the wings to swoop in and save the party. But who would serve as his VP?
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An even bigger question: Who will save the Republican Party from Paul Ryan???
(And who will save the rest of us from them???)
(And who will save the rest of us from them???)
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Clinton is a REPUBLICAN! She always has been. When she was running for the senate in NY she told up state New Yorkers she was proud o f her conservative background and proud to be a Goldwater Girl!
Corporatists now run the Democratic Party. They have turned their back on workers, consumers and the environment. No no not in their rhetoric but in their actions. They talk a big game but when the rubber meets the road their constituents--big oil, big banks, multinational corporations, big Pharma and big food, to name a few, know they have friends in high places, friends who will deliver for them.
The Republicans love the corporatists. They can rail against the Democrats yet the corporatists give them everything they want! It's a win-win for them. Not for the rest of us unfortunately, not for the rest of us.
Corporatists now run the Democratic Party. They have turned their back on workers, consumers and the environment. No no not in their rhetoric but in their actions. They talk a big game but when the rubber meets the road their constituents--big oil, big banks, multinational corporations, big Pharma and big food, to name a few, know they have friends in high places, friends who will deliver for them.
The Republicans love the corporatists. They can rail against the Democrats yet the corporatists give them everything they want! It's a win-win for them. Not for the rest of us unfortunately, not for the rest of us.
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No matter what negative things that are uncovered by her enemies, sort of being a murderess, I will vote for Hillary. I am a life long Democrat, and never missed the opportunity to vote. And she is the only capable candidate that is running this year. Trump is an idiot and Mr. Sanders is too old to be running for President. Give him a nice job in the Cabinet. For Heavens' sake, don't vote for Trump. We have enough problems now, God knows he will create a lot more.
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Absolutely Hillary can win the Republican women’s vote. And it's not because she is a woman, it's because critical thinking Republican women can't stand Trump. What he has said about women, their need to be attractive to be of value and abortion and a women’s right to choose what to do with their bodies is guarantying they will vote against him. For the Republican women, their vote for Hillary is a protest against Trump and all that he pretends to be.
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So it is going to be thought, analysis and growth versus shoot from the hip and whatever pleases the lowest common denominator. An appeal to intelligence versus slander with no moral brakes, Patriots vote and so do the worst people in America.
If it come to a battle of negatives it is better the vote for the devil you know than the devil you don't. This election is like sky diving and you better trust the competence of the person who packed your chute. Who who would you trust the provide your chute. The con-man or the public servant with 30 years experience and exceptional qualifications. Well if you are into magical thinking and like to play Russian roulette with one empty chamber and 5 bullets, Trump is yout choice.
If it come to a battle of negatives it is better the vote for the devil you know than the devil you don't. This election is like sky diving and you better trust the competence of the person who packed your chute. Who who would you trust the provide your chute. The con-man or the public servant with 30 years experience and exceptional qualifications. Well if you are into magical thinking and like to play Russian roulette with one empty chamber and 5 bullets, Trump is yout choice.
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So my choices are ... 4 years of a reality-TV egomaniac with no clue or 4 more years of pandering to the right in the name of "compromise" so that no meaningful change ever occurs? A bone here for one group, another there for another group, all while the shrinking middle class of this country continues to wash down the tubes? When do we get a REAL Democratic candidate? Oh, wait, we have one ... but the DNC donor class and corporate-owned media are still burying him.
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Wait. You forget the fact that Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat (except in-name-only*), and he has said so himself.
And, oh...have you forgotten that there are millions of Clinton supporters who are NOT DNC donor-class???
Another thing. The corporate-owned media isn't burying Sanders, they just tend to cover the Winners.
And, oh...have you forgotten that there are millions of Clinton supporters who are NOT DNC donor-class???
Another thing. The corporate-owned media isn't burying Sanders, they just tend to cover the Winners.
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People who mistrust Hillary Clinton have a high capacity for uncritical believing. Much of it started with stories in the NYTs. The original Whitewater charges were so dishonest even the first headline was objectively untrue. After that, the Times spent a decade trying to cover their corporate rear by finding something they could call a scandal. Kenneth Starr proved it all nonsense (I have a better term I an not allowed to use in this forum) because he would have put one or more Clintons in jail if either had actually done something illegal. All Starr got was the opportunity to humiliate the President for his personal misbehavior which he took with glee. Hillary Clinton sets an extremely high standard for honest public service over decades. People who think otherwise should come up with the particulars, not the occasional misstatement we all make, but some verifiable facts.
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I'm a liberal Democrat. I believe that today a good portion of the Democratic Party is liberal, including Hillary's most ardent supporters in the African American community. So, unsurprisingly, we want our candidate to be liberals and embrace liberal nostrums, especially on economic issues like taxes, budgeting, jobs, health care, and trade.
So, it's infuriating to read that Hillary wants Republican votes when 40% of the party clearly prefers another candidate (just as it was in 2009-10, when Obama and Congressional Democrats hoped to get and waited for Republican votes for health care reform despite the evidence that the Koch's were stirring up faux Tea Party outrage.).
So, it's infuriating to read that Hillary wants Republican votes when 40% of the party clearly prefers another candidate (just as it was in 2009-10, when Obama and Congressional Democrats hoped to get and waited for Republican votes for health care reform despite the evidence that the Koch's were stirring up faux Tea Party outrage.).
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Republicans do not like Clinton. They will not vote for her. Decades of Republican propaganda on top her actual inclinations to follow fascists (those that support corporate control of government) like Henry Kissinger, make her almost as unpopular as Trump.
Clinton is not the safe candidate you wish she was. When she starts running to the right of Trump she will lose the base.
If Democrats want to win, you need to run the anti-establishment, ant-corporate take-over, pro-human, pro-future Bernie Sanders. This is who independents, the 40% of the electorate that will decide the election wants by double digit margins.
Clinton is not the safe candidate you wish she was. When she starts running to the right of Trump she will lose the base.
If Democrats want to win, you need to run the anti-establishment, ant-corporate take-over, pro-human, pro-future Bernie Sanders. This is who independents, the 40% of the electorate that will decide the election wants by double digit margins.
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To be president, other than the massive destruction you are capable of doing, increasingly means next to nothing in terms of anything that matters. And to be President barely has even a faint remnant of the prestige it (rightfully or wrongfully) once had. So we have these two very hollow people, one (Trump) even more dangerous than the other, out there wanting something that no one should want. No need to be vindictive about it. We can call them each President as we send them on their way.
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As a lifelong conservative, I would be much more likely to vote for Hilary if she had retained Goldwater's character and integrity after abandoning his policies.
I would find it easier to vote for Sanders, even thought his policies ideas are pure fantasies, because he comes across as more authentic. At least the fantasies he proposes are his own. With Hillary, the fantasies are those of the voters and have no connection to the real human being behind the curtain.
I would find it easier to vote for Sanders, even thought his policies ideas are pure fantasies, because he comes across as more authentic. At least the fantasies he proposes are his own. With Hillary, the fantasies are those of the voters and have no connection to the real human being behind the curtain.
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What we have here is the usual news media move; which is to stir up as much stink as it can in hopes of gaining more eyes. Rather than honestly inform readers it plays up every bit of disputatiousness it can find. The Times could focus on where Americans could find agreement around a Democratic party platform regardless of political party affiliation as it could for the GOP. It could help to identify policy the readers can support. But fugetabout it, the Times prefers to make a big deal out of a few big name Republicans remarks and generally do everything it can to roil the pot.
We voters do not need the NYTs to lead us down the garden path and certainly not its rabbit hole. We can think for ourselves. The honest approach here would be to talk about all the voters in the middle; you know, the people who actually swing the vote one way or the other. Their party affiliation is not important, what they perceive as being the most important issues are what matters. Write about them, not the dyed in the wool types whose ears are filled with wax.
We voters do not need the NYTs to lead us down the garden path and certainly not its rabbit hole. We can think for ourselves. The honest approach here would be to talk about all the voters in the middle; you know, the people who actually swing the vote one way or the other. Their party affiliation is not important, what they perceive as being the most important issues are what matters. Write about them, not the dyed in the wool types whose ears are filled with wax.
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The fact that Mrs. Clinton is courting Jeb Bush should come as no surprise. What, really, is the difference between them? Both represent privilege, entitlement, wealth, while neither represent those who are struggling financially. Both political parties represent an elite establishment and give only lip service to economic issues that are sinking many families now.
Bernie Sanders, however, speaks for a fair economy, universal healthcare, and the urgency of climate change. Here's hoping he can eke it out.
Bernie Sanders, however, speaks for a fair economy, universal healthcare, and the urgency of climate change. Here's hoping he can eke it out.
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Unless Trump pedictably settles on "Shill'in Hill" for his Hillary sobriquet (that's "nickname" for any republicans out there, or Democrats swayed by Hillary's vote-grab performance), I propose a very apt one "Weather Vane Hillary" or "Weather Vane Hill."
Introduce the name thus: "Hillary is not commuted to anything, just blowing with the wind to advance her presidential aspirations. First Goldwater gal, the Democrat, then swinging back rightward to marry and be copresident with ultra opportunistic and duplicitous (no? Just look at his affairs: we nationally were all his Jennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinskys, and all his his bimbos rolled into one collective....) republican in disguise. She blows with the wind. "Weather vane Hill"
Introduce the name thus: "Hillary is not commuted to anything, just blowing with the wind to advance her presidential aspirations. First Goldwater gal, the Democrat, then swinging back rightward to marry and be copresident with ultra opportunistic and duplicitous (no? Just look at his affairs: we nationally were all his Jennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinskys, and all his his bimbos rolled into one collective....) republican in disguise. She blows with the wind. "Weather vane Hill"
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If Hillary is the progressive she says she is, rather than concerning herself about Republicans, she should be spending the bulk of her time trying to win over younger voters and independents, otherwise Donald Trump will be the next President of the United States.
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Why in the world is she wasting her time and our contributions on this quixotic quest for the elusive "moderate" Republican. I suppose some focus group liked the idea. I fear more and more that we are going to witness the national version of Massachusett's Martha Coakley.
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Hillary Clinton -- who may be the first woman president -- announced this week that she will put her husband in charge of reviitalizing the economy.
In effect she is saying, "Oh honey, could you fix the the economy? I don't know how to do that and you're a big strong man."
THIS is why I will never vote for her.
In effect she is saying, "Oh honey, could you fix the the economy? I don't know how to do that and you're a big strong man."
THIS is why I will never vote for her.
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Not that I agree with her decision, or your simplistic assessment -- BUT -- Bill Clinton, for all his foibles, did leave the White House (and the country) in better economic standing than when first he entered it.
Roller is asking the wrong question. Republicans will not vote for Clinton. The question is if Republicans will vote for Trump.
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Let no one accuse Hillary of inconsistency in her beliefs! She consistently supports what she believes to be best for Hillary. Ideology is merely frosting, another word for tactics to win the next election.
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"It's the Republican Party; not the Conservative Party," said Trump.
"There are two American political parties--The Winners and the Losers," said Vonnegut; Winners always win--nothing ever changes."
Even if Republicans lose; Conservatives will win again. HRC not only courts the Bushes, she promises to recycle her husband, while on retainer to Goldman Sachs.
Unless Sanders gets the nomination. But even then--we all know--it will still be an uphill battle. The Winners will fight tooth and claw for their rigged system.
"There are two American political parties--The Winners and the Losers," said Vonnegut; Winners always win--nothing ever changes."
Even if Republicans lose; Conservatives will win again. HRC not only courts the Bushes, she promises to recycle her husband, while on retainer to Goldman Sachs.
Unless Sanders gets the nomination. But even then--we all know--it will still be an uphill battle. The Winners will fight tooth and claw for their rigged system.
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I have never voted democratic before but I am voting Hillary Clinton this year. She is the most moderate and level-headed candidate. Now I feel like Hillary, turning from Republican to Democrat. I do think she will win over many more like me.
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Only in the land of rainbows and unicorns will a noteworthy number of republicans support Hillary. One would have to ignore nearly three decades of attacks against the Clintons, and an abysmally low favorability rating amongst Republicans and Independents alike. As one of the most polarizing frontrunners in modern history, it's equally naive to think that somehow a president HRC would be able 'to get things done' unless Democrats can somehow manage to take both houses of Congress.
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Seeing as you are from Vancouver, perhaps you don't realize that it's not only HRC. No Democratic Party Presidents are able to get anything across a Republican Congress -- especially when facing the likes of Mitch McConnell.
Sure Hillary Clinton can win over Republicans by asking them to answer the same rhetorical question that is repeatedly espoused by Donald Trump, “We either have a country or we don't?”
If Republicans can honestly say that they do not want a country – surrounded by walls, with tariffs on trade, excluding visitors based on their faith, abandoning time-tested mutual defense pacts such as NATO, torturing enemy combatants, allowing nuclear proliferation, punishing women who choose to have an abortion, refinancing our debt, etc. – then they must choose the only alternative to Trump?
By thus choosing Hillary, Republicans will ensure that they have a country, which continues to represent what we all believe in.
If Republicans can honestly say that they do not want a country – surrounded by walls, with tariffs on trade, excluding visitors based on their faith, abandoning time-tested mutual defense pacts such as NATO, torturing enemy combatants, allowing nuclear proliferation, punishing women who choose to have an abortion, refinancing our debt, etc. – then they must choose the only alternative to Trump?
By thus choosing Hillary, Republicans will ensure that they have a country, which continues to represent what we all believe in.
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"[T]hreat of creeping communism"? [W]e thought the Russians were going to bomb us"? I was alive back then, too. We hear this sort of nonsense all the time, from our parents, our teachers, on TV. But I don't know anyone who actually believed it. We knew these claims were patently false on their face, as they turned out to be. If Hillary was/is so smart, how come she couldn't see it? My guess? Scratch the surface, and you'll find she still is a Goldwater Girl.
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Hillary Clinton is a shameless opportunist who will do, say or profess belief in anything that will advance her political fortunes. She wouldn't detach herself from her philandering husband because that would have killed her political career but still claims to be a feminist. She took a fortune in money from Wall Street but now promises to curb their abuses. She claims to be a foreign policy expert but either lied about Benghazi's cause or was completely in the dark about events in Libya. She says she's qualified to be President but says she will sub-contract economic affairs to her husband, and that without appointing him to a Cabinet post. She is the embodiment of unprincipled, unrestrained personal ambition.
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Sanders has the millennial vote wrapped up by promising "free tuition". Why doesn't Hillary take a leaf from his playbook and promise the 30-40 year olds a free house and car?
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Wait a while. She'll get around to it after one or two more bad polling results.
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I am really surprised by the comments to this article. Bernie will not be the Democratic nominee, but a perfectly good, intelligent and progressive candidate will be. The GOP nominee is a proto-dictatorl candidate who will be a disaster for the US and any progressive ideals we share. The only thing that matters now is what we can do to ensure that Trump is not elected. Exciting our base while Trump excites his base does not ensure his defeat. The only way to ensure Trump's defeat is a coalition between the progressive left and the sensible centrists, GOP and independent. Let's grow up and work together to defeat Trump.
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“Lying, cheating, stealing, two-faced Hillary” is the way I heard her described recently. You can hear this general idea expressed many times a day, along with, “She’d be a disastrous president.” What you don’t hear are specifics. While there may be specifics, many of them don’t amount to much or have been debunked.
On the other hand, if you want to predict a disastrous presidency, you can’t find a surer bet than Donald Trump. Republicans who would rather see a Trump presidency than vote for Hillary clearly love their party more than their country. Furthermore, they’re delusional if they think a Trump presidency won’t bring down the whole party as it runs America off a cliff.
On the other hand, if you want to predict a disastrous presidency, you can’t find a surer bet than Donald Trump. Republicans who would rather see a Trump presidency than vote for Hillary clearly love their party more than their country. Furthermore, they’re delusional if they think a Trump presidency won’t bring down the whole party as it runs America off a cliff.
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How about when she claimed to have "earned" $100,000 after one year of investing $1000 in cattle futures. Or the estimated $40 million she and her husband have "earned" with one hour speeches to various corporations and foreign governments? Or the Clinton foundation money funneled to various Clinton friends running for profit companies? Or the fact that she and her husband charge the Secret Service rent on the guard house erected on their Chappaqua property with taxpayer funds? Or the 4 Americans who died in Benghazi while she was Secretary of State, despite dozens of documented pleas for more security by our head diplomat there? Or the seven women who claimed sexual harassment by Bill Clinton and who were systematically smeared and threatened by Clinton goons? Give me an hour, and I'll give you a dozen more examples. My hand is tired of typing now.
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Her voice will never tire of lying.
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Hillary Clinton is like the ageing diva in a ballet company. That diva stopped being able to do all those fouetté turns in Swan Lake a long time ago but her big name keeps selling tickets for the performances. The diva's presence in the company holds others back, just as the years of the DNC and the media coddling the Clintons has kept other Democratic candidates in the shadows..
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What an utterly ageist comment that betrays no further thought than a fondness for the Ballet.
And just in case you haven't noticed, there is only one real Democratic candidate running.
The other one is just a Democrat-in-name-only, with no other affiliation.
And just in case you haven't noticed, there is only one real Democratic candidate running.
The other one is just a Democrat-in-name-only, with no other affiliation.
This is turning out to be a least-of-evils election cycle. Mainstream and Independent voters will choose the candidate that they find to be less repulsive. A challenge, to be sure.
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Of course she can. Yes, Hillary can. She will be the consensus builder we Dems have been looking for. Sanders has proven the revolution may be lurking in the hearts of many of his ardent followers, but now when they resort to violence and death threats against fellow Dems they have exposed themselves as the radical bomb throwers they're truly are.
President Obama tried his best to seek consensus, but Republicans thought obstruction the way to go from Day One. Now that they're collapsing from the weight of Trump as their presumptive nominee, the loss of the Supreme Court, and the loss of the majority in one if not two houses of Congress, the GOP will decide it is time they either learn to get along with Hillary or further dissolve into a fractional party.
Hillary will extend her hand. Hop on board or wind up in the dustbin for another four years. She will not be as complacent as Barack has been, not Hillary. It will be the GOP's Hobson's Choice, take it or forfeit any power in governance on a national scale.
DD
Manhattan
President Obama tried his best to seek consensus, but Republicans thought obstruction the way to go from Day One. Now that they're collapsing from the weight of Trump as their presumptive nominee, the loss of the Supreme Court, and the loss of the majority in one if not two houses of Congress, the GOP will decide it is time they either learn to get along with Hillary or further dissolve into a fractional party.
Hillary will extend her hand. Hop on board or wind up in the dustbin for another four years. She will not be as complacent as Barack has been, not Hillary. It will be the GOP's Hobson's Choice, take it or forfeit any power in governance on a national scale.
DD
Manhattan
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Yes yes yes: Hillary is a Goldwater girl and always has been, and this is her pitch, exactly. Those who fall for the phony liberal pretensions deserve the republican president they'd actually be voting for. She's a bait-and-switch candidate temporarily veering to the left to snag Sanders votes (that is, dupe Sanders supporters), and she should be stopped.
"But the message that a candidate might simply be too volatile, too “risky” to elect, is a distinctly conservative fear to activate."
Nothing simple about your word "simply" here; it means in effect: It in fact means "Republicans should understand that 'while Trump's essentially conservative agenda is basically ok, he's to volatile and risky to deliver it, where as I'm more stable and reliable to deliver it to you once I bag this ejection thing by temporarily posing as a liberal: just don't forget I'm under this strategic liberal veneer a true Goldwater girl at heart; just don't tell the liberal wing of the democratic party. You can trust bill and me to deliver for you, just like on our previous (90s) administrations.'"
"But the message that a candidate might simply be too volatile, too “risky” to elect, is a distinctly conservative fear to activate."
Nothing simple about your word "simply" here; it means in effect: It in fact means "Republicans should understand that 'while Trump's essentially conservative agenda is basically ok, he's to volatile and risky to deliver it, where as I'm more stable and reliable to deliver it to you once I bag this ejection thing by temporarily posing as a liberal: just don't forget I'm under this strategic liberal veneer a true Goldwater girl at heart; just don't tell the liberal wing of the democratic party. You can trust bill and me to deliver for you, just like on our previous (90s) administrations.'"
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You really have to wonder about Hillary Clinton. Instead of just saying something like, "the coal mines are closing," she said something like "we are going to close the coal mines and coal miners will lose their jobs" (almost approvingly).
Just yesterday she said Bill Clinton is going to "run the economy." Run the economy? Does this warrant a new cabinet position called "Secretary of Economy Running?"
Hate to spoil the party of those licking their chops because Trump is her opponent, but the only reason Trump is competitive (see today's NBC poll) is because Hillary is his opponent. And the way things are going, he may be lickin his chops on October.
Just yesterday she said Bill Clinton is going to "run the economy." Run the economy? Does this warrant a new cabinet position called "Secretary of Economy Running?"
Hate to spoil the party of those licking their chops because Trump is her opponent, but the only reason Trump is competitive (see today's NBC poll) is because Hillary is his opponent. And the way things are going, he may be lickin his chops on October.
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I don't understand the thinking that anyone would want Bill 1) back in the White House and 2) in charge of the economy. (I'm an independent, once a Democrat, but he wore out his welcome while he was still IN the White House.)
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Liz,
Was it Clinton's record breaking economic expansion or his budget surplus that bothers you?
Was it Clinton's record breaking economic expansion or his budget surplus that bothers you?
There you go again, America! It makes my stomach churn to see the same pathology in 2016 as in 2000, when the country elected an utter fool who succeeded in sowing distrust in, and defeating, a person with ten times his intelligence, character and commitment to the nation's well-being. And we've just spent eight years failing to appreciate the most intelligent, dignified, and dedicated person to hold the presidency in my lifetime. Heckuva job!
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The writer has clearly identified Hillary Clinton’s teenage years and her political progress during her adulthood. Clearly, her political stance shows she’s always been a centrist; keeping herself between the 2 parties political platform.
When she realized Senator Bernie Sanders was an effective opponent, she was forced to move to the left - changed her political views to sound similar to those of Sanders to prevent her from committing political Hara-Kiri.
I’ve been a life-long Democrat but feel a profound sense of loss for a party that no longer stands in support of the American workers, a progressive agenda. The Party has been co-opted by special interest groups and therefore, in need of some drastic realignment.
Arrogantly, the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton object to implement any of Bernie Sander’s political views that would prevent people above the socioeconomic scale from disenfranchising the middle class and the poor. Believing that Republicans against Donald Trump would be moving to her out of fear is just wishful thinking. If anything has been clear, it would take as many voters of Sanders to ensure a Democratic victory otherwise, defeat is assured.
When she realized Senator Bernie Sanders was an effective opponent, she was forced to move to the left - changed her political views to sound similar to those of Sanders to prevent her from committing political Hara-Kiri.
I’ve been a life-long Democrat but feel a profound sense of loss for a party that no longer stands in support of the American workers, a progressive agenda. The Party has been co-opted by special interest groups and therefore, in need of some drastic realignment.
Arrogantly, the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton object to implement any of Bernie Sander’s political views that would prevent people above the socioeconomic scale from disenfranchising the middle class and the poor. Believing that Republicans against Donald Trump would be moving to her out of fear is just wishful thinking. If anything has been clear, it would take as many voters of Sanders to ensure a Democratic victory otherwise, defeat is assured.
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Im an independent who leans left on social issues and right on fiscal issues and there is no way she can win me over. I would certainly like a better alternative than Trump but, there is simply no way I will vote for someone who lies even when the truth would work. All politicians lie but Hillary is so addicted to lying that she can't tell the truth and rather than sell voters on her positions she simply fades left to Bernie's' positions. Completely spineless and with simply no report with voters to convince them of anything.
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There's a real problem with reading comprehension in many of these posts. Clinton isn't currently touting having been a Goldwater Girl. She's simply doing outreach to Republicans. Frankly, I think that's a good thing. No voter should be written off.
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As a centrist my entire life (growing up in the Illinois of Republicans Charles Percy, "Big" Jim Thompson, and Richard Ogilvie about the same time as Secretary Clinton) I regard Hillary as exactly the candidate I seek. She's a moderate social Democrat. And I believe that in the end most Americans (the extremes of both parties excluded) classify themselves as moderates. This has been the American tradition during my lifetime (radical change from the right and the left alarms most of us). Centrism may not be "sexy" but it's tried and true.
We believe that government should play an important part in our lives, but it shouldn't be a dominant role. We believe that it should act as a referee to keep the playing field level and help those who cannot help themselves, but that government shouldn't impede individual accomplishment. We believe this to be the true nature of progressivism as Theodore Roosevelt first framed it and Obama has pursued it. If Clinton embodies these values, I think she will find a strong centrist majority in both parties and among independents.
We believe that government should play an important part in our lives, but it shouldn't be a dominant role. We believe that it should act as a referee to keep the playing field level and help those who cannot help themselves, but that government shouldn't impede individual accomplishment. We believe this to be the true nature of progressivism as Theodore Roosevelt first framed it and Obama has pursued it. If Clinton embodies these values, I think she will find a strong centrist majority in both parties and among independents.
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Most people become jaded when they "belong" to any organization, party, or even a sports team. We compromise the truths to either be a team member or to rationalize what we know is not right. Why do we sell ourselves short? Both parties are down right guilty of not representing their constituents. It's becoming very apparent that Big Money controls our media, our laws, our values and our ethics. BOTH parties have done a great job of making us...hate each other. As we throw each other over the cliff, we have to realize we all have a common bond. Once, we are all Americans. Do you love your party or love to hate the other party more? This fire is fanned by both parties...it creates a false emotional loyalty that causes blindness to compromising.
We far the most part, are either Democrats or Republicans but not Americans. It's time to think "Independently", about being an American once again.
We far the most part, are either Democrats or Republicans but not Americans. It's time to think "Independently", about being an American once again.
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"Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans?"
She's having a tough enough time convincing Democrats.
She's having a tough enough time convincing Democrats.
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NYT`s N. Kristof Apr.25/16
“ Clinton’s big challenge is the trust issue: The share of voters who have negative feelings toward her has soared from 25 percent in early 2013 to 56 percent today, and a reason for that is that they distrust her. Only a bit more than one-third of American voters regard Clinton as “honest and trustworthy.”
Indeed, when Gallup asks Americans to say the first word that comes to mind when they hear “Hillary Clinton,” the most common response can be summed up as “dishonest/liar/don’t trust her/poor character.” Another common category is “criminal/crooked/thief/belongs in jail.”
N. Kristof`s friend and Times colleague William Safire in 1996 dubbed Clinton “a congenital liar.” The Huffington Post had it right: "there is a moderate republican running and she's running as a democrat”
In the Indiana primary (May3) only slightly more than half of Democrats voting Tuesday called Mrs. Clinton honest and trustworthy, according to early exit polls, a remarkably shaky assessment for the party’s likely nominee.
Only Bernie is (trust)worthy of support.
“ Clinton’s big challenge is the trust issue: The share of voters who have negative feelings toward her has soared from 25 percent in early 2013 to 56 percent today, and a reason for that is that they distrust her. Only a bit more than one-third of American voters regard Clinton as “honest and trustworthy.”
Indeed, when Gallup asks Americans to say the first word that comes to mind when they hear “Hillary Clinton,” the most common response can be summed up as “dishonest/liar/don’t trust her/poor character.” Another common category is “criminal/crooked/thief/belongs in jail.”
N. Kristof`s friend and Times colleague William Safire in 1996 dubbed Clinton “a congenital liar.” The Huffington Post had it right: "there is a moderate republican running and she's running as a democrat”
In the Indiana primary (May3) only slightly more than half of Democrats voting Tuesday called Mrs. Clinton honest and trustworthy, according to early exit polls, a remarkably shaky assessment for the party’s likely nominee.
Only Bernie is (trust)worthy of support.
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As a Bernite in his sixties, I believe it is more likely that Republicans will push Ms. Clinton over the top than the votes of Mr. Sanders followers. The Dem primary has been a nasty show of deck stacking by someone who is a believer in eternal war on the part of the US and who gets her oxygen from Wall Street. Bernie may indeed try to marshal his followers behind HRC to defeat Mr. Trump, but Bernites are far more likely to leave the presidential ballot blank or write in Mr. Sanders. 2016 has been the year the Democrats have been shown to be moderate Republicans, and the major media sources for liberals - NPR, PBS, NYTimes - have been shown to black out a candidate not favored by Wall Street. Noted.
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"Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans?"
Let me answer this question as plainly and simply as I possibly can:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Period. End of story.
A couple weeks back, there were articles floating around about Hillary trying to court republicans who were dissatisfied with Trump as their nominee.
(To me: those articles were just the first sure sign that we'll see a center-right Hillary as president, one who will pander to republicans every chance she can get, but I digress.)
Not surprisingly, within the past week or so, there have been numerous articles written about republicans lining up to support Trump.
Gee. That pandering from Hillary sure did a world of good. Republicans would still rather vote for Trump than ever support Hillary.
So, the answer to whether Hillary can win over republicans is: NO!
Unfortunately, the answer to whether republicans can win over Hillary is: Yes, of course...
Let me answer this question as plainly and simply as I possibly can:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Period. End of story.
A couple weeks back, there were articles floating around about Hillary trying to court republicans who were dissatisfied with Trump as their nominee.
(To me: those articles were just the first sure sign that we'll see a center-right Hillary as president, one who will pander to republicans every chance she can get, but I digress.)
Not surprisingly, within the past week or so, there have been numerous articles written about republicans lining up to support Trump.
Gee. That pandering from Hillary sure did a world of good. Republicans would still rather vote for Trump than ever support Hillary.
So, the answer to whether Hillary can win over republicans is: NO!
Unfortunately, the answer to whether republicans can win over Hillary is: Yes, of course...
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NO! Hillary - "Goldwater girl" cannot win over Republicans, period. I knew Barry Goldwater, I grew up in Arizona and our political leaders at that time were unusual - they spent time with their constituents, they wrote letters of praise to graduates, they were accessible. Goldwater would simply say "I know you not"! Hillary wouldn't even have been acceptable to Mo Udall the Democrat Representative then - Mo was also a leader who cared personally for his people. Hillary is a solipsistic, egotistical, wannabe, believes she is entitled, flawed, corrupt candidate - nothing more.
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Mrs. Clinton should stick with policy and issues and leave the parties to sort themselves out. This effort is bound to alienate already alienated Bernie fans, and though tempting, as many sensible Republicans are already indicating they will hold their noses and vote for her, it is wrong for the country.
Her voting record is not much different from Bernie's and though she's habituated to the uses of wealth due to circumstances, her uses of that wealth have been for the common good, which anyone visiting the Clinton Foundation site can see for themselves.
Her ideas about helping the struggling working class, increasing health care, climate change, and on, are a bit moderate for me but acceptable, especially compared to anything the Republicans have offered since 1980.
The Clintons brought our economy back, partly by triangulating with the intransigeant right; many wish that had not happened. What goes missing is that had they not done so, Republicans would have prevailed and continued their damage.
Democrats are fond of shooting at each other, staying home in midterms, looking for heroes who will, like Obama, seem to have feet of clay when it comes to getting things done in the face of organized and skillful opposition.
Clinton needs to remind herself she is a Democrat, and despite her hawkish tendencies and climate compromises, remember that caring for everyone is not a Republican meme.
Do you really want to leave all the big Money to Koch, Rove, and party?
Her voting record is not much different from Bernie's and though she's habituated to the uses of wealth due to circumstances, her uses of that wealth have been for the common good, which anyone visiting the Clinton Foundation site can see for themselves.
Her ideas about helping the struggling working class, increasing health care, climate change, and on, are a bit moderate for me but acceptable, especially compared to anything the Republicans have offered since 1980.
The Clintons brought our economy back, partly by triangulating with the intransigeant right; many wish that had not happened. What goes missing is that had they not done so, Republicans would have prevailed and continued their damage.
Democrats are fond of shooting at each other, staying home in midterms, looking for heroes who will, like Obama, seem to have feet of clay when it comes to getting things done in the face of organized and skillful opposition.
Clinton needs to remind herself she is a Democrat, and despite her hawkish tendencies and climate compromises, remember that caring for everyone is not a Republican meme.
Do you really want to leave all the big Money to Koch, Rove, and party?
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The bigger question is: Can Hillary Clinton win over Democrats?
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I think the real question remains "Can she win over Democrats"
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Does it matter if she does? There are only a few hundred angry Republicans left in existence. Moat of us call them Rinos. The rest of what use to be Republicans have left and they took Trump with them.
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When I debate someone from across the isle, I always ask them, "What would it take for you to change your mind?" They never really have an answer, because most people I put this question to would never alter the fundamental views that anchor their world, despite all evidence that should, logically, affect their opinions. One thing I admire about HRC is that, when presented with facts, she did (and does) change her mind. And one thing that dismays me so much about this primary season is watching so many democrats attack her for what I view as an admirable quality. If you would never question your political truths, if you would never vote for 'the other side' regardless of facts, then you are in no place to judge anyone. Rather, you should spend some time reflecting on your motivations. Politics should not be a team sport, and people who treat it that way are guilty of one of the worst human traits: unshakable ignorance.
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With apologies to Paul Newman, "What we have here is a failure to triangulate." Thank you to Emma Roller for again attempting to explicate Hillary's contradictory nature. Where is the weight at her core? Is it the 'rock-ribbed' republican Methodist nurture? Or a politically fashionable and expedient shape shift nature? A core insecurity aspiring to please all sides? How to reconcile a reputed McCarthy Democrat with the reality of a neocon SOS? She's become a quintessential 'representative of the old guard' willfully refusing to understand why the young-old generations of Progressives distrust her. She may elicit funds and soothing words from well heeled wealth and Romney Republicans; but beware how that worked out for the candidate around last time.
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Unfortunately the republicans have done their damage propaganda against Hillary well. She has been voted the "most admired" woman numerous times in the past, yet as soon as she runs for president she is deemed by so many as unlikeable and dishonest. It does not make sense and most people who parrot this republican smear can give no real reason they feel this way. They just regurgitate the republican talking points that have yielded no wrong doing. A smart woman running for the male presidency could also be it.
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Hillary has a better chance to win over Republicans than she does the Bernie base.
Hillary is after all, a moderate Republican.
Hillary is after all, a moderate Republican.
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No, she is a Democrat. Her voting record is quite similar to Bernie's.
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Why are we stuck with two losers? Trump and Clinton- a plague on both their houses. The apparatchiks are running the parties and the oligarchy is running the apparatchiks. Woe is me. How do we get out of this mess?
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The Democrats have become the New Republicans. The party of FDR is no more, which is why I will not be voting in this election.
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I have two words for those Sanders supporters who vow they won't vote for Hillary. Supreme Court.
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She is still a Rockefeller Republican, which is pretty liberal these days. I didn't vote for her last time as an anti-war veteran, but will this time. The alternative is, well not an alternative.
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Nonsense.
She is a Clinton Democrat.
And she will be this country's first female President.
This might be the last thing the rightists need to see before we force them to grow up.
The black guy drove then mostly insane.
HRC should finish the job.
Then when they are rocking back and forth in the fetal position drooling like toddlers then we Americans can help them finally rejoin the Union.
Or we let them leave once and for all.
Personally I wouldn't care less if the entire south seceded again.
What a relief American tax payers would see not having to carry the confederate debtor states around and being insulted while we do.
She is a Clinton Democrat.
And she will be this country's first female President.
This might be the last thing the rightists need to see before we force them to grow up.
The black guy drove then mostly insane.
HRC should finish the job.
Then when they are rocking back and forth in the fetal position drooling like toddlers then we Americans can help them finally rejoin the Union.
Or we let them leave once and for all.
Personally I wouldn't care less if the entire south seceded again.
What a relief American tax payers would see not having to carry the confederate debtor states around and being insulted while we do.
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This is going to be a "hold your nose"election.Trump may be a clown but he is an authentic one.HRC on the other hand has one consistent thread running through her life,namely taking positions based on expediency and self interest rather than principle or conviction.The whole "shift to the left" can be explained in those terms every bit as much as by the narrative in this op-ed.In all other respects we are faced with Hobson's Choice;Two candidates who have disregard for the truth.One candidate with no relevant experience and the other,lots of experience but no real accomplishments to call her own.Two candidates with narrow bases of relatively "blind' support.Given this choice,we as likely to have a low turnout in November as we are to have large numbers of voters voting "against" one or other of the candidates.Under both circumstances,neither is likely to have a meaningful mandate.
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Can we stop this meme about Hillary being a closet Republican because she supported Goldwater when she was 15? It is never pointed out that when she was 23, she was Texas coordinator for George McGovern, one of the most liberal candidates ever.
Hillary needs to tell us what she really believes and why she wants to be president and what her plans for the country would be if elected. Part of her authenticity problem is she seems too calculating. Trying to appeal to certain portions of the electorate without regard to her own principals. At least Trump says what he thinks even if it violates the Republican orthodoxy at times. That is part of his appeal, dangerous at it is. People are tired of politicians who only say what they think people want to hear.
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Attempting to represent Hillary Clinton as some sort of "stealth conservative" in appeal to win over Republicans and conservatives (many who find Donald Trump to be personally obnoxious and ideologically ambiguous, at best) is an exercise in prevarication.
Hillary Clinton is no more a political conservative than Barrack Obama, and only slightly less openly liberal/socialist than Bernie Sanders. This is a woman who absorbed her definitive politics from Saul Alinsky, not her Republican father.
Frankly, as a lifelong conservative, I hate the horrible choice the primaries have given us: Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton. It's a choice between four years of embarrassment vs. decades of damage to the political institutions created by the founding fathers and more incremental steps on the road to enervating socialism. Given that choice, I will hold my nose and vote for obnoxious big mouth over the prevaricating socialist.
Hillary Clinton is no more a political conservative than Barrack Obama, and only slightly less openly liberal/socialist than Bernie Sanders. This is a woman who absorbed her definitive politics from Saul Alinsky, not her Republican father.
Frankly, as a lifelong conservative, I hate the horrible choice the primaries have given us: Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton. It's a choice between four years of embarrassment vs. decades of damage to the political institutions created by the founding fathers and more incremental steps on the road to enervating socialism. Given that choice, I will hold my nose and vote for obnoxious big mouth over the prevaricating socialist.
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Until yesterday my daughters and me were determined to hold our noses and vote for Hillary Clinton in November, should she be the nominee. Yesterday's events at the democratic convention in Nevada and especially the reporting on it in today's NYT were the final straw. Instead of informing the readers on what happened (here is one source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/05/democratic-establishments-thuggis... there's nothing but an attempt to further smear and attack the supporters of Bernie Sanders by associating them with violence and Donald Trump. Is there any evidence that any of the few individuals who made those threats were in fact connected to Bernie Sanders?
There's something very rotten in the state of Denmark and we absolutely refuse to participate in this. So, yes, the NYT will have to persuade others to elect Hillary Clinton president.
There's something very rotten in the state of Denmark and we absolutely refuse to participate in this. So, yes, the NYT will have to persuade others to elect Hillary Clinton president.
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Elisabeth, thanks for the link- Im very very angry at this outrageous party manipulation. If this is how HRC gets her delegates one can only conclude the whole voting thing is just bread and circuses for the lemming Dem masses.
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It would be smarter to go out to the socialy Liberal Republicans thean go after the hard edge socialist that call themselves Bernie bros. there's about 2 1/2 to 3,000,000 of those who would not be worth even courting. They're much like the Trump people who just want to see the system wrecked. Mostly just petulant anarchist that wouldn't be happy with any government.
I say leave those people behind I would not throw them a bone.
When you listen to their rhetoric you know they're a bit crazy .
I say leave those people behind I would not throw them a bone.
When you listen to their rhetoric you know they're a bit crazy .
"Do I meet the qualifications and experience requirements?" That's the most common question a job seeker has heading into a job interview. So, regardless of Hillary's past political leanings, she's in the present the one and only person running for president who can answer that initial question with a resounding "yes!" As President Obama observed, she will be ready day one. And because she is highly qualified and a person of substance and depth with a deep first hand understanding of how the world works, it's unnecessary for her to use a distracting disparaging fog composed of character assassinations, insults, and immature childish hurtful name calling and stunts to cover up a vast dangerous void of necessary qualifications, experience, temperament, personal growth, and maturity required to run; not ruin our country and the world.
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So that's the choice? You actually believe in HRC as the savior of the world? Despite almost 300 years of freedom and Democracy you think that sanctimonious hypocrite cares one whit about anyone but herself? Also that her opponent if elected would end civilization as we know it? They were right, it is ending with a whimper, not a bang.
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Since the efforts here to demonize Hillary proceed apace, I have now decided as my own badge of honor to not vote for Sanders if he is the nominee. I hope other Hillary supporters will join me, and let Trump and Sanders battle it out as to which candidate's supporters have the purest lynch mob mentality.
I'm sorry but even past Clinton administration make believe she might be a Hatfield Democrat.
Since you mention Hillary's coming of political age in the Sixties, that's how she can both respectfully relate to Trump supporters and defeat Trump. Maybe a little, "You know, back in my day, we young people saw a lot of what was wrong in the system, the lies and cover-ups, the sell-outs, the crony capitalism, and a few just wanted to tear it down because they thought it was so corrupt it wasn't worth saving, that you had to destroy it in order to save it. But most of us decided to work to make it work better." Associate Trump with "the revolution" and "Burn, Baby, Burn" radicals of the Sixties and herself with the patriotic, workaday reformers and builders of a more ethical, just and prosperous America for all. There are many similarities in Trump's rhetoric with that of the "revolution" firebrands of that period. The obscenities, the personal insults and derisive labels put on political adversaries, the incitement to violence, the scapegoating. If there's anything Trump supporters don't want to associate their own movement with, it's those Sixties hippies and radicals. It can be done.
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This is an echo of the triangulation practiced by the Clintons in his campaigns under the tutelage of Dick Morris. Play both sides and find a middle course. What that really means is that you will say anything to be elected and have no core principles. It is more important that HC attract and hang on to Sanders supporters than go after GOP voters. If Trump is anathema to them they will hold their noses and vote for her. Courting them loses any credibility she has with the more progressive wing of her party.
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Simple answer to your silly question...no chance. Nothing unites Republicans like their hatred for Hillary Clinton. New polls show a tightening race, and surely it will be a cliffhanger. A more salient question would be: what will the Democrats do if the FBI recommends an indictment for Clinton? It's clear the Department of Injustice would never prosecute regardless of the evidence, but for all intent and purpose, her campaign would be over. Cue the Biden rallies.
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Perhaps Ms. Roller should do a little more homework when writing a piece like this.
In a recent interview with Barry Goldwater's daughter, the daughter (not sure which one, as this was not revealed in the news report) was asked if she could support Trump. The answer was something like this. She revealed that in discussions with her female Republican friends there was a general consensus that none of them could vote for Trump and they would likely vote for Hillary or not vote at all.
So, I would suggest that Emma Roller follow up with direct information from Goldwater's progeny, if they would agree to be interviewed.
You're writing in the New York Times, so do your homework!
In a recent interview with Barry Goldwater's daughter, the daughter (not sure which one, as this was not revealed in the news report) was asked if she could support Trump. The answer was something like this. She revealed that in discussions with her female Republican friends there was a general consensus that none of them could vote for Trump and they would likely vote for Hillary or not vote at all.
So, I would suggest that Emma Roller follow up with direct information from Goldwater's progeny, if they would agree to be interviewed.
You're writing in the New York Times, so do your homework!
Double jeopardy: Hillary Clinton announced Bill will be “in charge of revitalizing the economy, because, you know, he knows how to do it” — no doubt, along with Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, they repealed Glass-Steagall initiating the Banks/Wall Street ransacking the economy, gave us NAFTA and paved the way to the decimation of the middle lass and 2008 financial crash.
Compound that with her calamitous war expeditions on Benghazi and Honduras and her relentless support of the war machine, we get a double whammy condemning this country to a regime of international violence and domestic oligarchy.
No thanks. We will stay with Bernie Sanders through fire and ice.
Compound that with her calamitous war expeditions on Benghazi and Honduras and her relentless support of the war machine, we get a double whammy condemning this country to a regime of international violence and domestic oligarchy.
No thanks. We will stay with Bernie Sanders through fire and ice.
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Some say the world will end in fire, some in ice. Reading the idiotic comments from both sides of politics I say it will end in a pathetic whimper from ill educated cretins who's dinner hasn't arrived on time, and it won't be very nice.
This is way too EASY.......Hillary always was and still is a Moderate Republican in her political heart of hearts. Putting on the Democratic Party fleece to hide her true nature has always been merely a political expediency.
After leveraging her DNC's political assassination of Bernie Sanders, Hillary will rely on the Democratic donkey voters loyalty while she reveals her Republican roots to the "anybody but Trump" Republican voters.
In an election filled with irony, the Democratic Party's presidential candidate is a main-stream Republican who will win the White House and negotiate WITH a Republican Congress to the detriment of Democrats everywhere.
After leveraging her DNC's political assassination of Bernie Sanders, Hillary will rely on the Democratic donkey voters loyalty while she reveals her Republican roots to the "anybody but Trump" Republican voters.
In an election filled with irony, the Democratic Party's presidential candidate is a main-stream Republican who will win the White House and negotiate WITH a Republican Congress to the detriment of Democrats everywhere.
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It would be nice of people read the whole article.
Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl' in high school - only - because her parents were republicans.
In college, she shaped her own views.
She became a democrat because this is what she chose to become and what she really believed in.
The main secret to Bill Clinton's win in the ideological aftermath of the Reagan years was his ability to win swing states. Hillary is simply relying on the same strategy - because if you look at the map - the swing states will decide this election - not necessarily the popular vote.
Do we really want a repeat of Bush - Gore in Florida?
Trump has already changed his position on the things that made him different from other republicans and an outsider. Things that caused his popularity.
He no longer supports raising he minimum wage or raising taxes on the wealthy. He hired republican think tank people to help him with economics, etc. He is now towing the party line and changing his tune.
Electing Trump would be guaranteeing the GOP a win, not a outsider, and prove that all you have to do is block everything (even things you supported in the past) and the public will blame the President. The GOP will have been rewarded for having shut down the government.
After nearly 3 decades in congress, Bernie could only get one Senator to endorse him - That says a lot about who he really is and more about all his wild conspiracies. People who have known him the longest do not support him.
Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl' in high school - only - because her parents were republicans.
In college, she shaped her own views.
She became a democrat because this is what she chose to become and what she really believed in.
The main secret to Bill Clinton's win in the ideological aftermath of the Reagan years was his ability to win swing states. Hillary is simply relying on the same strategy - because if you look at the map - the swing states will decide this election - not necessarily the popular vote.
Do we really want a repeat of Bush - Gore in Florida?
Trump has already changed his position on the things that made him different from other republicans and an outsider. Things that caused his popularity.
He no longer supports raising he minimum wage or raising taxes on the wealthy. He hired republican think tank people to help him with economics, etc. He is now towing the party line and changing his tune.
Electing Trump would be guaranteeing the GOP a win, not a outsider, and prove that all you have to do is block everything (even things you supported in the past) and the public will blame the President. The GOP will have been rewarded for having shut down the government.
After nearly 3 decades in congress, Bernie could only get one Senator to endorse him - That says a lot about who he really is and more about all his wild conspiracies. People who have known him the longest do not support him.
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For many of us on the left, this is precisely why we've come to believe that, in the long run, Third-Way Clintonism is the greater evil. It pushes the Republicans to the lunatic fringe rather than anchoring them to the center as the party of FDR did while turning the "people's party" into a tool of Wall Street, big business and foreign trade interests.
I watched Bill Clinton do more to roll back the New Deal through the Interstate Banking Act and Glass-Steagall repeal than all Republican Presidents combines. I watched him, through NAFTA and PNTR with China, do more to destroy our manufacturing base and destroy private sector unions than all Republican Presidents combines. I'm through!
If a Trump Presidency--one that I believe will be a gridlocked, do-nothing affair that will tear the Republican party apart--is the price to pay to once and for all discredit and repudiate Neoliberal Clintonism and force the Democrats to move back in the direction of the party of FDR, then I'm willing to pay it. I won't vote for Mr. Trump, but I surely will and with clear conscious vote for a liberal third party alternative to what I believe would be a disastrous right-of-center Clinton Presidency.
I watched Bill Clinton do more to roll back the New Deal through the Interstate Banking Act and Glass-Steagall repeal than all Republican Presidents combines. I watched him, through NAFTA and PNTR with China, do more to destroy our manufacturing base and destroy private sector unions than all Republican Presidents combines. I'm through!
If a Trump Presidency--one that I believe will be a gridlocked, do-nothing affair that will tear the Republican party apart--is the price to pay to once and for all discredit and repudiate Neoliberal Clintonism and force the Democrats to move back in the direction of the party of FDR, then I'm willing to pay it. I won't vote for Mr. Trump, but I surely will and with clear conscious vote for a liberal third party alternative to what I believe would be a disastrous right-of-center Clinton Presidency.
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@Bill Haydon: A Trump presidency is more likely to tear the nation asunder than to tear the GOP in half. I don't entirely trust HRC either but she's always been more progressive than her spouse and has agreed with Pres. Obama on most issues of substance. All other things aside, there's the Supreme Court to think about. I'd give her a chance, especially considering the (only real) alternative.
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Beautifully stated. A perfect analysis.
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Those who think a Trump presidency would be a short term phase while a liberal revolution regroups are living in a world that has nothing to do with the reality of politics in the United States. The Bernie bros threat of bringing down the entire nation is a puerile misconception that will punish the country for decades if not forever.
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The real question is whether Clinton can win over Democrats. She is no progressive. She is to the right of Rockefeller Republicans on issues like defense (she is a hawk) and poverty (she defends her husband's welfare to work-fare law.)
Progressives like me feel disenfranchised by her. We have to choose between the future of the party and thus the long term future of the country and the short term future of the country, which is threatened both by Trump and by her.
Progressives like me feel disenfranchised by her. We have to choose between the future of the party and thus the long term future of the country and the short term future of the country, which is threatened both by Trump and by her.
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"(she [Hillary] defends her husband's welfare to work-fare law.)"
That would be the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PWORA) of 1996, which is part of the Republican Contract With America, sponsored primarily by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The bill was created by Republican legislators and was introduced in the House by then-Senator John Kasich. According to the Wikipedia article, Clinton signed the bill into law as a result of political pressure from Newt Gingrich and other Republicans, who dominated Congress at that time.
That would be the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PWORA) of 1996, which is part of the Republican Contract With America, sponsored primarily by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The bill was created by Republican legislators and was introduced in the House by then-Senator John Kasich. According to the Wikipedia article, Clinton signed the bill into law as a result of political pressure from Newt Gingrich and other Republicans, who dominated Congress at that time.
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Right workerbee, republicans controlled congress at that time and in the post Reagan era had shaped the views of the voting public who had moved center-right and also favored many of these types of proposals.
I think it odd that some suggest that it would be better to give full control to these same republicans, who have moved even further to the right over the years, rather than to a democrat.
It all makes no sense.
Bernie supporters blame Obama for republican obstruction and Clinton for republican control and a center-right public at that time, but they did the best with the world that actually existed.
To say that it would be better to give more power to the republicans is absurd.
Given a Democratic congress, we would have made greater progressive strides under either Clinton or Obama. the only ones to blame are the voting public for not giving them a congress and being too lazy to vote in the midterms.
Saying that if my guy does not win the nomination I will not vote is lazy thinking and immature.
I think it odd that some suggest that it would be better to give full control to these same republicans, who have moved even further to the right over the years, rather than to a democrat.
It all makes no sense.
Bernie supporters blame Obama for republican obstruction and Clinton for republican control and a center-right public at that time, but they did the best with the world that actually existed.
To say that it would be better to give more power to the republicans is absurd.
Given a Democratic congress, we would have made greater progressive strides under either Clinton or Obama. the only ones to blame are the voting public for not giving them a congress and being too lazy to vote in the midterms.
Saying that if my guy does not win the nomination I will not vote is lazy thinking and immature.
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The Republicans have already massively distorted the electoral process through gerrymandering and dark money. We are not dealing with a short term issue. If Trump and the Republicans capture all three branches of government there will be no coming back..ever.
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The majority of Republicans, though they say they "don't like it" will vote for Trump. No matter how reprehensible he is, or what he says, they will put party over country.
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Hillary's idealistic youth was before she became a millionaire ostensively making speeches to Wall Street bankers, but actually selling access. Folks are beginning to be fed up with politicians who enter office poor and come out rich.
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This writer has displayed a clear preference and bias for Bernie Sanders throughout her reporting this quote demonstrates such bias: "Her path toward beating Mr. Trump will require her to earn the trust of young Democrats — who have generally been opting for her primary opponent, Bernie Sanders — and convince Republican voters that some of what shaped her political identity as a young woman might appeal to them today." It's an example of creating her own set of facts. Really, Emma, HRC is actually winning the Democratic vote--by quite a wide margin. This piece is also an example of a wasted opportunity to examine the sexism that is rampant in this election. Bernie and Hillary make the same comments about coal and the public let's their rage loose on her. Meanwhile, Bernie, gets off scot free. Please examine your own bias in this campaign season! It's appalling!
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And a pro-Trump bias. Read her past work. She's not hiding her affection for Trump.
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Hillary's attempt to win over Republicans is exactly why she's going to find it hard to win over me.
Sorry...
Sorry...
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What about Trump's plan to win over Democrats. I bet that you find it charming and "outside the box"
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Did I miss the Democratic convention? When was Hillary nominated?
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So Hilary started flip flopping when when was in college...some things never change!
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Wow, who knew that someone growing up and changing their views as they mature (I did!) should be held against them!
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How can she possible be courting the GOP, given the stats showing how unpopular she is among them, and given that she'll lose even more Bernie supporters that way, and they are far more numerous. Here's another stat: around 50% of voters now call themselves independent--and some, believe it or not, would flip from Sanders to Trump. Don't ask me how.
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She isn't.
This article is Trump-aganda intended to anger Bernie supporters.
It's so obvious.
This article is Trump-aganda intended to anger Bernie supporters.
It's so obvious.
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The true question isn't why Republicans would vote for such a conservative, warmongering candidate as is found in Hillary, but why Democrats would.
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Because she isn't, and Democrats aren't mindless tools of the mass media who are trying to convince us that Trump is a "successful businessman" who is "self-funding" and "doesn't have a SuperPAC, or pollsters and lobbyists working for him"
The Trump plan to pretend that he is a liberal, despite being pro-life, anti-immigration, anti-union, and for abolishing the federal minimum wage, halving taxes for the one percent, and doubling the military budget is the latest mass media fraud.
Painting Hillary as a Republican despite all of the evidence to the contrary is the next one.
I will NEVER buy it. Trump is the extremist, warmongering Republican, Hillary is the measured, progressive Democrat. Period.
The Trump plan to pretend that he is a liberal, despite being pro-life, anti-immigration, anti-union, and for abolishing the federal minimum wage, halving taxes for the one percent, and doubling the military budget is the latest mass media fraud.
Painting Hillary as a Republican despite all of the evidence to the contrary is the next one.
I will NEVER buy it. Trump is the extremist, warmongering Republican, Hillary is the measured, progressive Democrat. Period.
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For get about winning over Republicans. How about winning over the Democrats who've had enough of their right-leaning candidate?
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Miss Roller since you have been so successful at smear - the echo chamber kind against Hillary - by portraying a picture that she is still a Goldwater girl how about smearing her with her connection to Saul Alinsky - you know that notorious left leaning community organizer? Come now Miss Roller where is your "fair and balanced" reporting? Well here is a link for anyone not interested in repeating the echo chamber or who is not too lazy to do their own research.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-letters/
Come on NYT restore your journalistic credibility.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-letters/
Come on NYT restore your journalistic credibility.
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I find this whole thing heartbreaking, but I will vote for Hillary. I have no choice. It's either the status quo, which doesn't work, or a freewheeling kleptocracy under Trump. Not that different from Russia or China, perhaps.
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Hillary will never be able to earn the trust of young Democrats. To do so, she would have to release the transcripts of her speeches to Goldman; apologize for her corruption; commit to prosecuting Wall Street criminals and appointing an Attorney General who will throw them in jail instead of slapping them on the wrist; admit she knew Bush, Cheney and company were lying when they asked for authorization to start the war in Iraq; apologize for repeating those lies and for lying about what she knew and when she knew it; pledge to end hydro-fracking; commit to using her power as President to change the corrupt, un-democratic way in which candidates for President are chosen by her party; de-fund the N.S.A. until illegal spying on civilians is no longer possible.
Those are just off the top of my head. She will never do any of those things and has permanently lost the trust of a huge majority of Democrats under the age of 45. Her only hope is to come out of the closet as the Republican she truly is.
Those are just off the top of my head. She will never do any of those things and has permanently lost the trust of a huge majority of Democrats under the age of 45. Her only hope is to come out of the closet as the Republican she truly is.
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Republicans should have no trouble voting for Hillary. She will be the best Republican on the ballot. She needs to find a way to attract Democrats, other than the party machine. She can call herself a progressive, but she's not one, and never has been. And it doesn't help to bring Bill into the picture. I don't like Hillary very much, but I despise Bill.
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Ms. Roller's discussion of the Pygmalion-for-President Candidate is quite interesting. Obviously, the views that anyone has as a teenager would assumably be influenced by those among them, especially loved and respected parents. But over time, the younger generation can change, as do societal mores, new considerations, and circumspection. but, Hillary seems to have touched all the various bases on the way.
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Clinton is free whatever Right/Center/Left coalition she wants, and I wish her well, but she will do so without my vote or the vote of many other Sanders supporters. I'll go third party with my conscience clear.
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Perhaps a campaign sign for HRC could read,
"Trust Trump"
"Trust Trump"
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I betcha her first policy initiative will be to place a weather vane (her appropriate emblem of course) on top of every flagpole flying the Stars and Stripes; that is, of course, unless she equally appropriately substitutes the chameleon for the eagle as our national mascot. (Don't know how Bill missed that one; but if Hill is elected, he gets his second chance.)
I am tired of the NYT steadfast ignoring Sanders. Real democrats don't want Clinton--and her husband. If she thinks she can't manage without old Bill then she should quit running. Does she think we are idiots? Does she think we can't see where she is going. There would be few changes in her "democratic" government and mostly for the worse--continuing lack of health coverage for ALL, private prisons, death sentences where "necessary", continuing wars and escalation of some, dipping into social security.
We don't need or want this kind of government--but the NYT is convinced with their Clinton. Always has been. Out there with clusters of privately paid super delegates and DWS pratically permanant chair of the democratic party which should represent ALL democrats secure in her future campaign dinner at $10,000 a head. Worse than the Clooney cocktail party.
We are sick of money and politics. Why doesn't NYT recognize this. Otherwise many will vote for Trump showing the face of the other US: racist against immigrants that built the US (although many come from immigrant families), hating blacks, fearful of losing their jobs, belligerent gun totting men.
The republicans will work now to have a solid republican senate and house--so it won't matter if Clinton somehow garners republican votes she will be blocked at every corner.
Is tht what NYT thinks is best for the WHOLE country? Another 4 years of nothing?
We don't need or want this kind of government--but the NYT is convinced with their Clinton. Always has been. Out there with clusters of privately paid super delegates and DWS pratically permanant chair of the democratic party which should represent ALL democrats secure in her future campaign dinner at $10,000 a head. Worse than the Clooney cocktail party.
We are sick of money and politics. Why doesn't NYT recognize this. Otherwise many will vote for Trump showing the face of the other US: racist against immigrants that built the US (although many come from immigrant families), hating blacks, fearful of losing their jobs, belligerent gun totting men.
The republicans will work now to have a solid republican senate and house--so it won't matter if Clinton somehow garners republican votes she will be blocked at every corner.
Is tht what NYT thinks is best for the WHOLE country? Another 4 years of nothing?
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HRC will do and say whatever it takes to win over disgruntled republicans. For her to succeed, she could alienate her liberal base, youth and many Independents. The tactics of the DNC has caused me to become an Independent after I vote for Sanders in the upcoming primary. The presumptive democratic nominee has a lot of work to do to convince me that she and (ugh) Bill are suitable to be in the White House. This race has not even seen ugly yet!
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You will do or say anything to convince us that you are a Democrat leaning towards Trump.
Please.
Tell us which of Trump's policies you love ...
Please.
Tell us which of Trump's policies you love ...
Win over Republicans? Really? Let's just win them over to hold hearings on the appointment of Garland to the Supreme Court. Republicans who are fed up with Trump, the Tea party mob, and the effort to deny any compromise and to end democracy should just vote Democratic without any inducements because their Party has abandoned democracy.
Hell is filled with people who just followed orders. Let's see if Republicans choose hell.
Hell is filled with people who just followed orders. Let's see if Republicans choose hell.
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Well, Emma, Barry Goldwater might have been "ultraconservative" in 1964, but by today's standards, he'd be on the left flank of the Republicant party.
On matters of religion and abortion, he was a libertarian, meaning none of the government's beeswax. Contrast that with today's Christian Taliban, which would have sickened the man with "The Conscience of a Conservative."
While LBJ successfully painted Goldwater as a potential loose cannon near the nuclear button, in a much more dangerous time in terms for the potential for a nuclear Armageddon, he was much more circumspect and reasoned than the neoconmen who ran us into a buzzsaw in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, and the Republicants who espouse carpet bombing the mddle east.
It's always wise to consider the context, and not to start with such an assumption unmoored from TODAY'S reality.
On matters of religion and abortion, he was a libertarian, meaning none of the government's beeswax. Contrast that with today's Christian Taliban, which would have sickened the man with "The Conscience of a Conservative."
While LBJ successfully painted Goldwater as a potential loose cannon near the nuclear button, in a much more dangerous time in terms for the potential for a nuclear Armageddon, he was much more circumspect and reasoned than the neoconmen who ran us into a buzzsaw in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, and the Republicants who espouse carpet bombing the mddle east.
It's always wise to consider the context, and not to start with such an assumption unmoored from TODAY'S reality.
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Watching the Clinton campaign unfold is like watching a car wreck in slow motion. But of course, when it all crashes and burns, the DNC and the HRC campaign will throw the blame on Sanders supporters for failing to "turn out" to vote for the traditional Republican against the neo-fascist.
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It's unfortunate that Secretary Clinton isn't running as a Republican, which she basically is. Then we could have a wonderful debate and election between her and Senator Sanders, who is more of a Democrat than she will ever be.
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How sad that Hillary has evolved from a young woman who opposed the Vietnam War into an old woman who manipulated/manufactured evidence against Qaddafi to have an excuse to invade Libya.
I hope all Democrats backing Hilary know who Henry Kissinger is, since Hillary is his foreign policy soul-mate and close personal friend.
I am an Independent who voted for Hillary in her 2000 senate race.
Her vote for invading Iraq (which included standing on the floor of the senate to inform the world that Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction" even though she hadn't bothered to read the N.I.E.) was bad enough, but her tenure as SoS has made it ABSOLUTELY clear that the Iraq vote was no one-off.
I am a middle-aged white woman who has never protested anything, but assuming Hillary is the candidate, I will be out protesting with my professionally made sign reading, "We came, We saw, He died!" (See on YouTube).
She was a disaster as SoS, and anyone who thinks the nation's TOP DIPLOMAT in the biggest, richest country on earth should be saying the above words on national television (and then laughing loudly at her own wit) is not thinking clearly.
I am willing to endure four years of Trump because it means the toxic Clinton machine will be obliterated once and for all.
I hope all Democrats backing Hilary know who Henry Kissinger is, since Hillary is his foreign policy soul-mate and close personal friend.
I am an Independent who voted for Hillary in her 2000 senate race.
Her vote for invading Iraq (which included standing on the floor of the senate to inform the world that Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction" even though she hadn't bothered to read the N.I.E.) was bad enough, but her tenure as SoS has made it ABSOLUTELY clear that the Iraq vote was no one-off.
I am a middle-aged white woman who has never protested anything, but assuming Hillary is the candidate, I will be out protesting with my professionally made sign reading, "We came, We saw, He died!" (See on YouTube).
She was a disaster as SoS, and anyone who thinks the nation's TOP DIPLOMAT in the biggest, richest country on earth should be saying the above words on national television (and then laughing loudly at her own wit) is not thinking clearly.
I am willing to endure four years of Trump because it means the toxic Clinton machine will be obliterated once and for all.
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Mrs Clinton is about as Republican as they come, she is a corporatist, war hawk, completely in the pockets of the big banks. And she's worried about winning over Republicans, and ignoring the Sanders supporters that know what she is. If she wins the nomination, we may need to brace for a Trump election, because Americans don't want 4 more years of Democratic cowardice and caving down to Republican light anyway. Might as well elect a Republican for bad policy, not someone who doesn't know what they want to be.
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Democratic cowardice?
The GOP engaged in more filibusters just in Obama's first two years than in all of the Senate's history combined - and that was just the first two. We never had a filibuster-proof super-majority. So, determination or "cowardice" had nothing to do with it. Everything the president and democrats proposed was DOA on the Senate floor.
Electing Trump would be guaranteeing the GOP would continue on with their policies and prove that all you have to do is block everything (even things you supported in the past) and the public will blame the President. They will have been rewarded for having shut down the government.
One secret to Bill Clinton's win in the ideological aftermath of the Reagan years was his ability to win swing states. Hillary is simply relying on the same strategy.
Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl' in high school, because her parents were republicans, In college, she shaped her own views. She became a democrat because this is what she chose to become and what she believed in.
After nearly 3 decades in congress, Bernie could only get one Senator to endorse him - I think that says a lot about who he really is.
The GOP engaged in more filibusters just in Obama's first two years than in all of the Senate's history combined - and that was just the first two. We never had a filibuster-proof super-majority. So, determination or "cowardice" had nothing to do with it. Everything the president and democrats proposed was DOA on the Senate floor.
Electing Trump would be guaranteeing the GOP would continue on with their policies and prove that all you have to do is block everything (even things you supported in the past) and the public will blame the President. They will have been rewarded for having shut down the government.
One secret to Bill Clinton's win in the ideological aftermath of the Reagan years was his ability to win swing states. Hillary is simply relying on the same strategy.
Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl' in high school, because her parents were republicans, In college, she shaped her own views. She became a democrat because this is what she chose to become and what she believed in.
After nearly 3 decades in congress, Bernie could only get one Senator to endorse him - I think that says a lot about who he really is.
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It says more about the Democratic Party machine, which is just as driven by big money as the Republicans. Trump may actually end up winning this election because the machine could not see where the voters really are. The only benefit to that outcome, may be that both the Democratic and Republican parties may be destroyed forever.
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That's funny, Mike, because Republicans don't see Hillary Clinton as a Republican. In fact, we believe that Hillary Clinton is everything wrong with the modern Democrat party: she's a corporatist, completely in the pocket of the big banks and Wall Street firms, and when it comes to defense policy, she will vote for war even when she doesn't believe it's the right thing to do just because it is politically advantageous. In short, Hillary Clinton is a political w----e.
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I thought the number one rule in presidential politics is "Energize the base." HRC and the DNC in this election ignore progressives at their peril. If she's openly wooing Jeb's donors, just what are Sanders' supporters supposed to think? Unless they just put "Not Trump" on the ballot, not voting is going to be the only option.
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park ridge was a lovely place to grow up if you were white and middle class. When I started high school (same school in park ridge, 6 years later), there was a restrictive covenant in park ridge, prohibiting Jews and African Americans from living there
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That applies to many places in America and to many white people who lived in those places back then. Does not make all of the. Bad or smear them as deficient. Think before you write please.
BS moved to a lily white state in his 30's within a whole lot of contact with black people. Compare his activities as a young man against Hillary's. While he was spouting his support for Castro she was in the Deep South working to end desegregation.
BS moved to a lily white state in his 30's within a whole lot of contact with black people. Compare his activities as a young man against Hillary's. While he was spouting his support for Castro she was in the Deep South working to end desegregation.
Yes, if she has enough money from the Power-brokers and Wall-street, which she has. We should just stay home, because the next president will be slippery Hillary, not because she's a women or a ma,n but because she has been preordained by the powerful behind the political process and it is not the American voters.
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This is what is wrong with our country. A media that gratuitously continues to be deliberately dishonest in its quest to keep citizens as "low information voters." You Miss Roller would have been more credible if along with the label of Goldwater Girl you had also included her ACTIONS as a young woman which were decidedly not Goldwater.
-schoolmates like Karen Williamson speak warmly of Hillary: “She was a friend. As a black woman going to Wellesley at the time friends were very welcome. All the black students felt we had a close friendship in Hillary.“
-cofounded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families; served on the board of our Children's Hospital and helped with its fund-raising drive (it became one of the nation's ten largest children's hospitals in a state with o 2.8 million people); brought an excellent preschool program form Israel to poor families in our state; headed a task force that increased access to health care for people in small towns and rural areas;
- helped organize a disciplined two-day strike on campus and worked as a liaison to channel constructive dialogue and meaningful action after MLK assassination.
-In 1997 and 1999, she played a leading role in advocating the creation of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
All the while the BS sainted one was finding himself in a lily white state as head of the People Socialist party. Give me a break.
-schoolmates like Karen Williamson speak warmly of Hillary: “She was a friend. As a black woman going to Wellesley at the time friends were very welcome. All the black students felt we had a close friendship in Hillary.“
-cofounded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families; served on the board of our Children's Hospital and helped with its fund-raising drive (it became one of the nation's ten largest children's hospitals in a state with o 2.8 million people); brought an excellent preschool program form Israel to poor families in our state; headed a task force that increased access to health care for people in small towns and rural areas;
- helped organize a disciplined two-day strike on campus and worked as a liaison to channel constructive dialogue and meaningful action after MLK assassination.
-In 1997 and 1999, she played a leading role in advocating the creation of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
All the while the BS sainted one was finding himself in a lily white state as head of the People Socialist party. Give me a break.
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I'd like to see an ad campaign from Clinton that debunks all the lies about her. It would be refreshing to see a 'setting the record straight' campaign, using the fabrications and misrepresentations front and center to make a case, rather than simply attacking the other side. Her problem is the image that has been generated about her, and that is 90% mirage.
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The New York Times continues to amaze me. To court Bernie supporters the paper has run hundreds of stories slanted toward a view that Goldwater's right wing ideology is a thing of Hillary's past. She was falsely portrayed as a progressive who simply believes in gradualism - you know a $15 an hour minimum wage that's really $12 an hour, peace through endless war and other such silliness. But now that polls show Bernie beating Trump handily while Hillary ties at best, she's the Goldwater girls she's always been all over again.
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In the general election, if she and Trump are the choices, a lot of Republican women, like former First Lady Laura Bush and her daughters, might very well choose Hillary. They have already intimated as much.
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Last week there was one poll showing Trump closing the gap on Hillary. That poll was touted and was all over MSM. Monday AM a CNN/ORC poll was Hillary 54% Trump 41%. Among women HRC 63% Trump 31%. How come that poll is not being pushed by MSM? Excuse me.....pushed? Not even shown. Even by CNN who did the poll. Gotta keep that Horse race alive Media? Trump will be destroyed because at least 20% of GOP will vote for Hillary. Yes she can, will and has already won over GOP voters.
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Hillary and Barry are cut from the same Republican Lite cloth. Both are mostly further Right than Richard Nixon, a famous Republican ex-president. And in the case of Hillary, I think I would trust Nixon more. Let's hope that Hillary does not get Alzheimer's while in office and thereby revert to her Goldwatre Girl days...
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What a silly question. In many previous elections Hilary could easily have run as a main stream Republican. In fact, being in bed with many fat-cat corporations and her instinctive hawkish tendencies make her a good fit. Certainly more than the present GOP mis-fit presumptive nominee. The Democrats need fresh leadership from the Left. Bernie's age (and the NYT's Hilary obsession, that substitutes for journalism) ensures that the Clinton campaign just makes Democrats who fear Trump pinch their noses even tighter when voting against Trump in November.
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As for the Bernie supporters who are not sure about voting for her because she might not be as progressive as they want, they should recall the 1932 German presidential elections when members of the leftist socialist German Social Democratic Party was all in for the ultra conservative monarchist Paul von Hindenburg when he ran against you know who.
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If you move aside from the popularity contest in the campaign and focus on what is necessary to be the leader of the free world you ask:
Who has had the most years in public service
Who has had the opportunity and experience to measure the diplomacy necessary to achieve the respect of our global partners.
Who has the temperament to engage other than enrage.
This is not a "learn as you go" position but one earned by substantial experience in which you have "made your bones" before you get to lead the pack.
Who has had the most years in public service
Who has had the opportunity and experience to measure the diplomacy necessary to achieve the respect of our global partners.
Who has the temperament to engage other than enrage.
This is not a "learn as you go" position but one earned by substantial experience in which you have "made your bones" before you get to lead the pack.
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If HRC is counting on all progressives to vote for her, because she isn't Trump, she is making a big mistake. It is a major hassle to vote as an expat overseas (I suspect they make it that way--75% of us are progressives). I'm still hoping for a Sanders' miracle.
I don't like Hillary's hawkish foreign policy, but I almost might be able to swallow it if she was truly like LBJ--very strong on civil rights at home. But so far, I don't see it. Keep on courting Jeb's donors and count me out.
I don't like Hillary's hawkish foreign policy, but I almost might be able to swallow it if she was truly like LBJ--very strong on civil rights at home. But so far, I don't see it. Keep on courting Jeb's donors and count me out.
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I don't think HRC is counting on all "progressives" voting for her, because it's rather apparent that they would rather see the country crash and burn under Donald Trump -- just to make a point.
Some "revolution".
Some "revolution".
The only reason a Republican would vote for Hillary Clinton is because she is a war hawk and Trump is not. And only Republicans of the neocon variety would even consider making the move.
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Of course she can win over Republicans when they realize that her rhetorical posturing, parading, preening and pretending does not match her political policy governing practice. And that she does not have a year round dusky brown hue like the half-white by biological nature and all white by cultural nurture Barack Hussein Obama is most helpful.
Mr. and Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton are Democrats in Name Only. The Master and Mistress of Mass Incarceration, Welfare Deformation, Wall Street Corporate Plutocrat Oligarch Welfare, Military-Industrial Complex War Mongering and bowing down to and obeying Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Cairo, Amman, London, Berlin, Paris, Rome, Tokyo, Baghdad, Kabul, Ankara, Seoul and Bangkok.
Hillary is well too the political right of FDR and LBJ as expected but Ike and Nixon as well. Hillary is no Margaret Chase Smith nor Shirley Anita St.John Chisolm. Hillary is no Nancy Pelosi nor Elizabeth Warren nor Amy Klobuchar nor Claire McCaskill who had no mister to help their rise.
Mr. and Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton are Democrats in Name Only. The Master and Mistress of Mass Incarceration, Welfare Deformation, Wall Street Corporate Plutocrat Oligarch Welfare, Military-Industrial Complex War Mongering and bowing down to and obeying Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Cairo, Amman, London, Berlin, Paris, Rome, Tokyo, Baghdad, Kabul, Ankara, Seoul and Bangkok.
Hillary is well too the political right of FDR and LBJ as expected but Ike and Nixon as well. Hillary is no Margaret Chase Smith nor Shirley Anita St.John Chisolm. Hillary is no Nancy Pelosi nor Elizabeth Warren nor Amy Klobuchar nor Claire McCaskill who had no mister to help their rise.
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This is a joke, right?? No doubt coming from a Sanders supporter, who isn't a Democrat, in ANY kind of name.
Of course, you are entitled to run your well-worn Clinton-bashing diatribes as much as you want, but if you think a racist, sexist bigot like Donald Trump is best to serve as President of the United States, you're probably one of those who'll be standing on the right side of the wall he'll be building....Good Luck with that.
Of course, you are entitled to run your well-worn Clinton-bashing diatribes as much as you want, but if you think a racist, sexist bigot like Donald Trump is best to serve as President of the United States, you're probably one of those who'll be standing on the right side of the wall he'll be building....Good Luck with that.
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Hillary can certainly win over any Republicans who work at investment banks or are turned off by Trump's aversion to foreign wars and TPP. But maybe not, she's really boring and hard to listen to, and most folks don't like what she's done to black people in the 90's.
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She represents no one but her self interests. Hope she looses.
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Speak for yourself. She spoke for the people who voted for her, which is more than Sanders.
So Hillary Clinton wants Her Husband to be the Economic President and be responsible for the economy.... in the future - "the two for one promote - again" - but her supporters don't believe she should be responsible for his actions.... in the past.
So she can't manage the economy - her husband has to do it for her.
Presumably that permits her the time for ........more war - her wheel house
Twisted - but the sheeple will buy anything and accept.
So she can't manage the economy - her husband has to do it for her.
Presumably that permits her the time for ........more war - her wheel house
Twisted - but the sheeple will buy anything and accept.
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As editorial writers are fond of saying, "only time will tell" if Mrs. Clinton can make inroads among disaffected Republicans. But it's safe to say that, as panderer nonpareil, she already has locked up the chameleon demographic. Depending on the audience, is there anything she ISN'T for?
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Hillary Clinton is the political house guest who has stayed too long.The 60's idealist has morphed into the uncharismatic,political pragmatist.Driven, she is striving for a kind of political immortality as the first woman president. She probably would have been defeated except for the Fellini like candidacy, of the oafish and vulgarian, Donald Trump.
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Interesting how the commenters herein who may proclaim themselves as Democrats, and other left leaners in general who acknowledge this next Presidency as being critical as to the future of the Supreme Court are so willing to hand over the election to Donald Trump.
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Aside from the obvious, shameless, unconscionable liar, cheat and thief, what is there to say about someone who is anti Republic, anti-human and pro influence selling.
On the other hand, she has no values, allegiances or honor. She is the perfect representative of a decadent third world crony society with the motto.
"I'm all right Jack, Screw you"
On the other hand, she has no values, allegiances or honor. She is the perfect representative of a decadent third world crony society with the motto.
"I'm all right Jack, Screw you"
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Is it at all possible that writers for the NYT could WAIT until the primary elections are over before they write articles such as this. It is very surely and unfairly influencing the vote in primaries yet to come. She is NOT yet the party's nominee regardless of how much the media, and I'm particular, the NYT wishes it were so. The real question is why the push and the hype?? Can't the voters make their own decisions rather than having someone make it for them and allow the Democratic process to unfold as it is supposed to.
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That right Hillary go for the republican voter cause really that's where you belong. DNC picked the worst candidate ever!
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So, Trump is going to run as a Democrat on many issues, trying to put PA, MI, WI, into play and winning purple OH while Hillary will run as a Republican?.
This quote is from another article in the NYT on Trump:
>>Asked how Mr. Trump could reassure his own party, Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, suggested the party standard-bearer needed something close to a complete overhaul. “He could start by saying, ‘I was just kidding,’ ” Mr. Flake said, bemoaning what he called Mr. Trump’s “ protectionist” approach.<<
Republicans will vote for him out of hatred for Hillary and the hope that, really, he doesn't mean what he is saying, he is "just kidding" or just making "suggestions". Democrats on the other hand may vote for him out of hope that he actually does mean what he says on those issues. Win by any means, don't worry about reality until after the election when the winner can do what he/she wants. Meanwhile, Hillary will woo Republicans? Why on earth will she waste her time with that? Even if they happen to vote for her, they won't vote for Democrats down ticket.
This is the craziest election that I have ever seen. This country is in deep trouble no matter who wins and no one can say what they mean.
This quote is from another article in the NYT on Trump:
>>Asked how Mr. Trump could reassure his own party, Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, suggested the party standard-bearer needed something close to a complete overhaul. “He could start by saying, ‘I was just kidding,’ ” Mr. Flake said, bemoaning what he called Mr. Trump’s “ protectionist” approach.<<
Republicans will vote for him out of hatred for Hillary and the hope that, really, he doesn't mean what he is saying, he is "just kidding" or just making "suggestions". Democrats on the other hand may vote for him out of hope that he actually does mean what he says on those issues. Win by any means, don't worry about reality until after the election when the winner can do what he/she wants. Meanwhile, Hillary will woo Republicans? Why on earth will she waste her time with that? Even if they happen to vote for her, they won't vote for Democrats down ticket.
This is the craziest election that I have ever seen. This country is in deep trouble no matter who wins and no one can say what they mean.
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Hilary had better be more concerned about energizing the Sanders progressive contingent. If the progressives stay home on election day, the Trumpster will win- and the world will lose.
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I'm pretty sure few people voted for Obama holding their nose. Mostly an upbeat message of hope and change, yes, we can, and a sense of making history.
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"The Clinton campaign seems to be subtly tapping into her conservative past in the hopes of appealing to anti-Trump Republicans in the general election." Same old same old. Hillary can be whatever you'd like her to be! Sure, she's been a Democrat for the last 40 years, but she was a Republican before most voters were born, so, Hey, doesn't that make her kind of like a Republican? At least when she needs Republican votes? But to Democrats, she's still a "progressive," right?
As I've said before, the Democrats (for whom I vote more frequently even though independent) need to replace the donkey with a weathervane. Because nothing captures the essence of Hillary more- always adjusting to the prevailing headwinds, with no attachment to where she was pointing 30 seconds ago.
As I've said before, the Democrats (for whom I vote more frequently even though independent) need to replace the donkey with a weathervane. Because nothing captures the essence of Hillary more- always adjusting to the prevailing headwinds, with no attachment to where she was pointing 30 seconds ago.
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HRC is a neocon, and she's going to shed all progressive ideas about 3 seconds after she is nominated. I realize she's won the nomination, but articles like this make me not want to vote for her all the more. After the nomination, she is going to start saying we need more Trade Deals and wars in the Middle East. I wouldn't be surprised if she sent soldiers to Syria, which would lead us to another 15 year long quagmire that will just lead to the loss of blood and treasure.
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she hasn't won anything yet
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Today's front page is bizarre: one article about Trump's strategy to borrow a page from Bernie Sanders so that he can appeal to disaffected Democrats; another discussing Clinton's attempt to find her Goldwater girl roots so that she can attract Republicans who suspect that Trump is not a real conservative. Why don't both parties hit the reset button and nominate candidates who reflect the values of the party?
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Progressives who deride Clinton as a Goldwater Girl and take that as evidence of her perfidy, and yet lionize Elizabeth Warren, ought to know that Warren was a Republican and voted Republican until 1995, i.e. until she was 46 years old. So the first Democratic president she voted for appears to have been Bill Clinton. Can I say come off it, now?
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Until Gingrich and the conservative movement took complete control of the Republican party in 1994, there were still moderate and even liberal Republicans. The parties then reflected the broad political spectrum, not it's polar extremes.
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No, you can't.
Whatever the cause, Warren's "conversion" to the Progressive cause is demonstrably genuine, and complete; Hillary's is phony--as this article so abundantly confirms.
Instead of reaching out to Sanders supporters in any genuine way, she's jumped ship (while deriding Sanders' commitment to the Democratic Party as insincere), and is instead now proclaiming herself to still be a Goldwater Girl at heart! Unbelievable!
Whatever the cause, Warren's "conversion" to the Progressive cause is demonstrably genuine, and complete; Hillary's is phony--as this article so abundantly confirms.
Instead of reaching out to Sanders supporters in any genuine way, she's jumped ship (while deriding Sanders' commitment to the Democratic Party as insincere), and is instead now proclaiming herself to still be a Goldwater Girl at heart! Unbelievable!
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And, the Dem party back in Clinton I's time was actually a Democratic party. The dems back then held, well, traditional Democratic Party values. Quite the far cry from what it is today.
And, given that, guess what? If she does support HRC this election cycle, she'd be back to supporting a republican again! Because HRC is not a democrat. For anyone to believe that, they are simply not looking seriously at her record and what she says she stands for. And they were apparently asleep the entire time over the last 8 years that Obama, HRC and the DNC pushed the party so far to the right that it became a moderate republican party.
And, given that, guess what? If she does support HRC this election cycle, she'd be back to supporting a republican again! Because HRC is not a democrat. For anyone to believe that, they are simply not looking seriously at her record and what she says she stands for. And they were apparently asleep the entire time over the last 8 years that Obama, HRC and the DNC pushed the party so far to the right that it became a moderate republican party.
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Ms. Roller has lent Hillary an undeserved gravitas.
Over the decades Hillary's top note has been a chamelian-like flip-flopping that is comical to see. She even alters her accent to resonate with various regional audiences.
What we have here is an unformed, but dexterous Zelig, an empty pants suit. Her ambition and the media's infatuation with privilege, incumbency, and tabloid worship for dynasties may yet put her in the palace.
Over the decades Hillary's top note has been a chamelian-like flip-flopping that is comical to see. She even alters her accent to resonate with various regional audiences.
What we have here is an unformed, but dexterous Zelig, an empty pants suit. Her ambition and the media's infatuation with privilege, incumbency, and tabloid worship for dynasties may yet put her in the palace.
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"Donald Trump Borrows From Bernie Sanders’s Playbook to Woo Democrats"
"Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans?"
These two headlines from today's NYT tell us something about the bankruptcy of our current political situation. Neither of the two presumptive nominees have a coherent political stance - Trump because he hasn't thought about anything (and perhaps is incapable of doing so) and Clinton because her public positions depend on the strategy of the moment (whatever she personally thinks, which seems to be Republican-lite except on some gender issues). Neither represent the voters in their putative parties. If big money and establishment thinking did not dominate our political system, this might have resolved into a progressive party with Sanders as the nominee and a radical right party. The voters would then have been offered a real choice of policies, rather than the merely emotional choice of "let's blow it all up because it's not working" (Trump) and "let's keep it the same no matter how dysfunctional that is" (Clinton).
"Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans?"
These two headlines from today's NYT tell us something about the bankruptcy of our current political situation. Neither of the two presumptive nominees have a coherent political stance - Trump because he hasn't thought about anything (and perhaps is incapable of doing so) and Clinton because her public positions depend on the strategy of the moment (whatever she personally thinks, which seems to be Republican-lite except on some gender issues). Neither represent the voters in their putative parties. If big money and establishment thinking did not dominate our political system, this might have resolved into a progressive party with Sanders as the nominee and a radical right party. The voters would then have been offered a real choice of policies, rather than the merely emotional choice of "let's blow it all up because it's not working" (Trump) and "let's keep it the same no matter how dysfunctional that is" (Clinton).
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I too was a Goldwater girl when my conservative parents handed me leaflets to distribute, all the while arguing with them about civil rights. I wasn't quite sure what exactly a conservative was, except that they were supposed to be fiscally conservative, and as my parents had had a hard scrabble life, growing up without fathers, both lost to early illness, it seemed reasonable to me...until I went to college and the courses that were of most interest were politics and Women's studies. It is not at all unusual for young people to adopt their parents views...until they are exposed to a broader vision.
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Let's consider what the criteria of a Republican is - or more accurately a conservative. Generally they are war hawks who favor big money in poltics (and in general) and have strong ties to Wall Street and are pro-fracking, etc. They also tend to be more stringent on social agenda change. While Hillary is most of those things, I will give her the benifit of saying she does evolve and progress on many social issues, just a little later than most liberals and at a stage when it's politically safe to do so.
She's essentially a dictionary definition a neoliberal. So why shouldn't the Republicans who are disheartened by Trump embrace her? She's got a strong conservative background and extremely moderate tendencies. The larger question I think we have to ask ourselves is not can Hillary woo conservatives, because she mostly is one herself, but what will happen to the Republican Party that has become so extreme right that many are now turning to Hillary - and what will happen to the void on the left now that it's being vacated by our major parties? I think we are in a shift that's going to take some time to play out because honestly who can see guys like Mitch McConnell and Hillary palling around right now, at least publically, but looking 10-15 years down the road the neoliberals and the convervatives will likely meet, and we may just have a shot at having a true liberal voice again in the government. For now though, we'll see.
She's essentially a dictionary definition a neoliberal. So why shouldn't the Republicans who are disheartened by Trump embrace her? She's got a strong conservative background and extremely moderate tendencies. The larger question I think we have to ask ourselves is not can Hillary woo conservatives, because she mostly is one herself, but what will happen to the Republican Party that has become so extreme right that many are now turning to Hillary - and what will happen to the void on the left now that it's being vacated by our major parties? I think we are in a shift that's going to take some time to play out because honestly who can see guys like Mitch McConnell and Hillary palling around right now, at least publically, but looking 10-15 years down the road the neoliberals and the convervatives will likely meet, and we may just have a shot at having a true liberal voice again in the government. For now though, we'll see.
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Did your highschool English teacher explain to you what a generalization was?
Ms. Roller's column is off-base. Hillary's conservatism when she was a girl has little or nothing to do with her appeal, or lack thereof, to Republicans today. First, Hillary's transition from a rock-ribbed Republican in high school to an ardent Democrat in college is hardly unusual, and testifies to an openness of mind for which she should receive credit. By any objective standard, Hillary's voting record in the Senate was one of the most liberal. If she appears conservative to some in this year's Democratic primary, it is only in comparison to the far-left Senator Sanders.
So Hillary is a liberal, and is campaigning as one. Contrary to Ms. Roller's belief, there is nothing odd at all about Hillary appealing to Republicans on the basis that Trump is too risky. This strategy requires no compromise on the basis of policy, and may appeal to those Republicans who still subscribe to the idea of conservatism in its historical sense. Mark Cuban's statement yesterday that a Trump victory would devastate the stock market is just one example of how a Clinton appeal to Republicans on the basis of avoiding risk, rather than on the basis of policy, can play out.
So Hillary is a liberal, and is campaigning as one. Contrary to Ms. Roller's belief, there is nothing odd at all about Hillary appealing to Republicans on the basis that Trump is too risky. This strategy requires no compromise on the basis of policy, and may appeal to those Republicans who still subscribe to the idea of conservatism in its historical sense. Mark Cuban's statement yesterday that a Trump victory would devastate the stock market is just one example of how a Clinton appeal to Republicans on the basis of avoiding risk, rather than on the basis of policy, can play out.
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At the birth of our country George Washington begged Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe and Ben Franklin please don't make political parties. The two political parties destroyed the independence of our courts, along with the First Amendment freedoms we think we have but don't.
Look at the House of Representatives. Let this newspaper of record publish the political party written Rules of the House of Representatives, not that the Senate is any better. They are not.
The founders were not perfect. The Constitution allows the Members to write their rules of order and they had Rules of Order writ by Thomas Jefferson, today long put away.
So to H. as she refers to herself in her in-house note writing. Why is she a candidate for president? She cannot answer that question to the satisfaction of the American people. Her campaign, her war room manipulation of media only promotes her charade.
H. cannot tell us why she wants to be our president beyond her own unspoken Trump-like self aggrandizement—queen of the western world. When she says, "We will find a solution" she does not mean "we" as in "We, the people," rather her and those who surround her - who live above the rest of us— her personal bureaucrats — they will come up with solutions.
Trump is running to "make America great again," an empty slogan. H. cannot even offer that.
Oh! I am an independent write-in candidate. I bring to the table a Vehicle for World Peace.
http://michaelslevinson.com
Look at the House of Representatives. Let this newspaper of record publish the political party written Rules of the House of Representatives, not that the Senate is any better. They are not.
The founders were not perfect. The Constitution allows the Members to write their rules of order and they had Rules of Order writ by Thomas Jefferson, today long put away.
So to H. as she refers to herself in her in-house note writing. Why is she a candidate for president? She cannot answer that question to the satisfaction of the American people. Her campaign, her war room manipulation of media only promotes her charade.
H. cannot tell us why she wants to be our president beyond her own unspoken Trump-like self aggrandizement—queen of the western world. When she says, "We will find a solution" she does not mean "we" as in "We, the people," rather her and those who surround her - who live above the rest of us— her personal bureaucrats — they will come up with solutions.
Trump is running to "make America great again," an empty slogan. H. cannot even offer that.
Oh! I am an independent write-in candidate. I bring to the table a Vehicle for World Peace.
http://michaelslevinson.com
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For Democrats and Republicans who do not demand ideological purity from their presidential candidate, there is no question that Hillary Clinton is the superior candidate to either Trump or Sanders. Remember, Democrats who are able to win the Presidential election inevitably pivot to the middle.
I believe the Democratic Party's success in regaining control of one or both the House and Senate, rely on winning back some of the seats that have left the Party after Obama was elected. If the voters want a functioning Congress, we need to forget about using a litmus text to select one Presidential Candidate, but a Presidential Candidate and up and down ballot policy makers that would want to get the job done like Hillary Clinton would.
I believe the Democratic Party's success in regaining control of one or both the House and Senate, rely on winning back some of the seats that have left the Party after Obama was elected. If the voters want a functioning Congress, we need to forget about using a litmus text to select one Presidential Candidate, but a Presidential Candidate and up and down ballot policy makers that would want to get the job done like Hillary Clinton would.
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What job is that, line her pockets with 675k and tell people she's the champion of the middle class? How about the champion of women that will blackball anyone that reports on Billygoat? Ideological purity? Personal integrity? Consistency ? The only job HRC will do is bask in the power and hold onto it as long as idiots keep ceding it to her.
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Neither Trump nor Sanders would fit the bill either. The whole Sanders family worked in the public sector. I am not sure Sanders has ever held a private sector job for any extended period.
I think she is already winning them over. Although I don't shout it to the rafters, I do make it clear to friends and colleagues that I am a strong and unwavering supporter of Hillary Clinton. A colleague of mine who is not vocal about his politics recently confessed to me that after Trump won the Republican nomination he came to the decision that this would be the first election ever in which he would vote Democratic. He is a southern white male and a staunch Republican, yet the specter of Trump as President was enough to make him switch his Party allegiance and vote for Hillary Clinton. It made not be media worthy, but it is quietly happening all over the country.
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" yet the specter of Trump as President was enough to make him switch his Party allegiance and vote for Hillary Clinton. It made not be media worthy, but it is quietly happening all over the country."
But is it enough to offset the 20,000 Pennsylvanians who switched to the Republican Party as has been reported?
But is it enough to offset the 20,000 Pennsylvanians who switched to the Republican Party as has been reported?
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Hope you are correct, especially in swing states.
I was hoping the general election candidates would be Hillary and Donald because I thought Hillary would win in a landslide. Now I'm not so confident. Bernie continues to beat her in primaries, and the Republican establishment is cozying up to Donald. Hillary clearly has the resume to be president; Donald is not even close on paper. But that's the problem. Resumes don't win elections. Though it continues to be absolutely implausible to me that Trump would be our next president, I fear that he will garner more votes from independents and Democrats than Hillary will get from Republicans, who would rather vote for a ham sandwich than Hillary.
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Hamilton supported his arch political rival in the 1802 presidential election against his former colleague and friend Aaron burr, when the election, through a flaw in the Constitution, was decided in the House of Representatives. Sometimes the choice on your side of the political spectrum is so awful that one feels that there is no choice but to go to the other side. As the campaign winds out it is likely that some Republicans will make that choice, whether Hillary campaigns for their votes or not.
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Why go to college if you're supposed to simply inherit your parents beliefs and affiliations without question? This story demonstrates that Hilary is capable of managing ambiguity, change, and evidence that confounds accepted opinion with respect, diligence, and integrity. Those are qualities that I admire in both President Obama and Hilary Clinton. Everyone else running behaves as though all questions have already been answered and nothing for which they haven't already prepared a platform will be required. She is clearly the only presidential candidate who is ready and capable to be president of a diverse populous in a complex and changing world.
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Thank you for yet another 'splaining to us ignorant sexist anti-Clinton voters why the ability to change your mind if you process new data is a good thing. I haven't seen what new data is responsible for the change, nor why this ceaseless 'splaining is helpful to your cause, but hey, nagging. It's a thing.
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That is the most eloquent defense I've yet seen of what is known, in political circles, as "flip-flopping!"
Hillary can be all things to all people, not because she has "evolved," but because has no principles...save ambition, if you can call that a principle.
It's entertaining to watch her most zealous supporters try to rationalize her amorality as Principle.
Hillary can be all things to all people, not because she has "evolved," but because has no principles...save ambition, if you can call that a principle.
It's entertaining to watch her most zealous supporters try to rationalize her amorality as Principle.
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Hillary should try to attract votes wherever she can, just as the other candidates do. But the assertion here "the message that a candidate might simply be too volatile, too “risky” to elect, is a distinctly conservative fear to activate" is preposterous. I am liberal, I am a democrat, and the first word I would use to describe Trump (well, after scary) is risky. Too risky when he threatens torture and deployment of nuclear weapons, too risky when he threatens mass deportations, too risky when he threatens trade wars to magically bring back manufacturing jobs that are now mechanized, too risky when he threatens to default on (or "renegotiate") our debt, too risky because these ideas could destabilize the economy, too risky because his views evolve not over a lifetime, or a year or even a month but minute to minute. Too risky because he doesn't seem to really believe anything except that he himself is great. Which means he could do anything at all. Framing Trump's views is like the proverbial effort to nail jello to the wall. Frankly, that makes him risky to everyone on both sides. Good for Hillary for pointing that out to anyone who will listen.
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Just a word about those manufacturing jobs. Over the past few decades Chinese firms have bought tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars worth of second hand machine tools from U.S. manufacturing firms and plants. Outside of specialty plants, such as those that service Apple or Sony, the lion's share of manufacturing in China is not "mechanized" as you put it, but done just the way it was always done in this country, often in small job shops. The difference is labor costs: skilled machine operators in say, Fujian make just a fraction of what their counterparts anywhere in this country would call a living wage.
Clinton is smart, intelligent, strong in the face of bullying. But what about presidential qualities such as backbone and grit and conviction.
The Republican voters that don't like Trump are looking not for policy but for those qualities. Qualities that will be a force in Washington not a pandering, go the way the wind blows kind of president.
She lacks a center, the core that drives good judgment. Every time I think I can move on from her past, she brings it up again showing her lack of that center.
When she said she would put Bill in charge of the economy, I felt again that sinking feeling. Feeling pressed to make an impression on the segment of voters who remember the 90s fondly, she implies she can't do it, but Bill can. Bringing him into the mix was just poor judgement. Even she is questioning her own ability to be president.
The Republican voters that don't like Trump are looking not for policy but for those qualities. Qualities that will be a force in Washington not a pandering, go the way the wind blows kind of president.
She lacks a center, the core that drives good judgment. Every time I think I can move on from her past, she brings it up again showing her lack of that center.
When she said she would put Bill in charge of the economy, I felt again that sinking feeling. Feeling pressed to make an impression on the segment of voters who remember the 90s fondly, she implies she can't do it, but Bill can. Bringing him into the mix was just poor judgement. Even she is questioning her own ability to be president.
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I did better under Bill Clinton than any other president. Obama did wonders with bringing a crashed economy back to life.
On bringing in Bill, he brought in Hillary. If elected it would be unprecedented the involvement of the first spouse, like Bill's term.
He/she who travels alone travels the fastest, He/she who travels together travels the farthest.
David--Philly
On bringing in Bill, he brought in Hillary. If elected it would be unprecedented the involvement of the first spouse, like Bill's term.
He/she who travels alone travels the fastest, He/she who travels together travels the farthest.
David--Philly
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Are you kidding me? Using all the resources she has at her disposal, including the former president, Bill Clinton, does not mean she is questioning her own ability to be president. It means she gathers the best and brightest people around her, encourages discussion of issues and solutions, and decides who has the strongest argument for implementation. That's leadership, not the lack thereof.
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The more important question is Can Hillary Clinton win over the Sander's supporters who dislike her with a passion and will be so disgusted if Bernie loses that they are more likely to vote for Trump because Trump and Sanders have more in common in terms of no new wars overseas and putting America first before pandering and patronizing to everyone else? The democratic establishment has treated Sanders poorly and made it difficult for anyone opposing Hillary to have a fair chance to beat her with just the support of the delegates won. Hillary was the presumptive nominee of the dem. party from the very beginning. Good old Ralph Nader, the Darth Vader who ended Gore's presidential hopes has surfaced to say that "if Hillary wins it is by dictatorship" He even seems to have no issue with Trump and says that Trump has brought up some good issues. So my analysis of the direction of the election so far is the Goldwater girl will be under water with more democrats voting Trump than Republicans voting for HC. No one remembers Goldwater and what he stood for; most baby boomers were preteens and those older than baby boomers are more concerned about who will tax them more and who might tinker with SS.. Goldwater is no longer golden even if there is a soul left who regards him. Having said that there are and will remain Republicans who would not vote for Trump. Such Republicans not voting for Trump will be a big boost for Trump. The country should have nothing to do with the Bush dynasty.
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Good analysis.
Why this author chooses now, a critical point in the life of the Democratic Party, to come up with a title and a piece like this is beyond my comprehension. Especially as it has become the war-cry of Mr. Sanders, his supporters, and the usual band of hidden (and paid) Republican detractors.
If as this author states: "The Goldwater chapter is in the past". Leave it there.
Very few people and politicians remain the same within the course of their lives. Even the rabid racist George Wallace eventually came to see the error in his ways and changed.
It's not entirely up to Hillary Clinton to woo and win over Republicans who have placed their support behind the presumptive nominee, Donald Trump, whether they like him or not -- The Media and the promise of a knock-down-drag-out between these two also plays a large role as well.
Given the personality of Mr. Trump, it has every potential to devolve into a mosh-pit of insults, and given Clinton's political and personal past, there's no lack of ammunition. But Mr. Trump is not without fault either, whether its because of his open bigotry, failed business ventures, or refusal to show his tax information (and get away with it).
In the end, the only thing that matters is who is the best qualified to lead this country? And at this point, there's only one adult in the room.
If as this author states: "The Goldwater chapter is in the past". Leave it there.
Very few people and politicians remain the same within the course of their lives. Even the rabid racist George Wallace eventually came to see the error in his ways and changed.
It's not entirely up to Hillary Clinton to woo and win over Republicans who have placed their support behind the presumptive nominee, Donald Trump, whether they like him or not -- The Media and the promise of a knock-down-drag-out between these two also plays a large role as well.
Given the personality of Mr. Trump, it has every potential to devolve into a mosh-pit of insults, and given Clinton's political and personal past, there's no lack of ammunition. But Mr. Trump is not without fault either, whether its because of his open bigotry, failed business ventures, or refusal to show his tax information (and get away with it).
In the end, the only thing that matters is who is the best qualified to lead this country? And at this point, there's only one adult in the room.
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Really? Did you look at the line-up of those sponsoring the Republican, oh, I mean the democratic convention?
David Cohen, Exec V.P of Comcast and a Republican supporter. They have been fighting net neutrality. The CEO of Blue Cross and another healthcare lackey who fought the ACA. and an ex congresswoman, now lobbyist for the healthcare industry lobbying for the repeal of the ACA and Ed Rendell. former governor of Pennsylvania who is a big supporter of fracking in his state and, last but not least, former senator Barney Frank, now a Wall Street lackey who is heading the convention and policy committee.
All are Hillary Clinton supporters. Sorry folks, the democratic party is democrat in name only, it is now just an extension of the Republican Party.
David Cohen, Exec V.P of Comcast and a Republican supporter. They have been fighting net neutrality. The CEO of Blue Cross and another healthcare lackey who fought the ACA. and an ex congresswoman, now lobbyist for the healthcare industry lobbying for the repeal of the ACA and Ed Rendell. former governor of Pennsylvania who is a big supporter of fracking in his state and, last but not least, former senator Barney Frank, now a Wall Street lackey who is heading the convention and policy committee.
All are Hillary Clinton supporters. Sorry folks, the democratic party is democrat in name only, it is now just an extension of the Republican Party.
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@deus
Of course, as a Canadian, you don't really have much say in the outcome of a U.S. election, but your candidate-baiting generalizations are still amusing.
Another thing. The only Democrat in-name-only, is Bernie Sanders -- and he has said so himself.
Of course, as a Canadian, you don't really have much say in the outcome of a U.S. election, but your candidate-baiting generalizations are still amusing.
Another thing. The only Democrat in-name-only, is Bernie Sanders -- and he has said so himself.
True...and his name is Bernie Sanders!
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One of the great mysteries to me--given how firmly set the conventional wisdom is about the great political savvy and skill of Team Clinton--is why that wisdom endures in the face of yet another presidential race marked by strategic error after strategic error.
Hillary runs as a card-carrying member of the elite, proudly telling an electorate animated by rage at the elite, that she knows how to get things done with the elite.
At a time when significant portions of both the left and the right are unhappy with the center--and outraged by the massive sums that center is pouring into U.S. elections--her campaign lets it be known that they are A) wooing the fat cat donors on the center-right--and B) hoping to win by convincing centrist Republicans (a dying breed) to vote for HER.
As somebody on NPR reported last week--the front-running candidate for both parties have earned the dubious distinction of heading for November with the highest negative rating in the entire history of polling.
It seems safe to predict that the election is going to be a historically low-turnout event--in which the losing candidate will be decided by which party has the more dispirited voters.
Any effort by Clinton to woo the right by stressing her conservative cred, will surely cost her an equal or greater number of votes on the left.
Hillary runs as a card-carrying member of the elite, proudly telling an electorate animated by rage at the elite, that she knows how to get things done with the elite.
At a time when significant portions of both the left and the right are unhappy with the center--and outraged by the massive sums that center is pouring into U.S. elections--her campaign lets it be known that they are A) wooing the fat cat donors on the center-right--and B) hoping to win by convincing centrist Republicans (a dying breed) to vote for HER.
As somebody on NPR reported last week--the front-running candidate for both parties have earned the dubious distinction of heading for November with the highest negative rating in the entire history of polling.
It seems safe to predict that the election is going to be a historically low-turnout event--in which the losing candidate will be decided by which party has the more dispirited voters.
Any effort by Clinton to woo the right by stressing her conservative cred, will surely cost her an equal or greater number of votes on the left.
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As a lifelong constitutional conservative who also puts country ahead of party, I am in a particularly difficult position with respect to Hillary. I don't like her, don't trust her, believe her policies will further move America towards big government intrusion in every aspect of my life. Voting for Hillary is voting against most everything I believe in. Unfortunately, the alternative from the self-destructing GOP is a dangerous megalomaniac who is clueless on the issues a president must address and will no doubt succeed in making things even worse than Obama has or Clinton will. If Clinton has a sufficient lead in November, I will vote libertarian as closest to my constitutional conservative beliefs. However, if the race is close, I will plug my nose and in the biggest disappointment of my voting life put my mark next to Clinton.
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This question is so NYT biased. The real question is can the Goldwater Girl turned Democratic establishment win over any independents or progressives or anybody really beyond indentured Democrats.
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Calling her a "Goldwater Girl" is disingenuous, dontcha think? She was a kid living in a Republican household and had the same beliefs as her family did. When she moved out of her family's house, she learned more about the world and became a Democrat. That is an almost stereotypical American story. If this is your big evidence of her being a secret Republican, you are going to have to do a little better.
"How did Hillary go wrong?" Why do 52% of Americans not trust her? She became power hungry, lost her way, and we know absolute power corrupts absolutely. She sold her soul to Big Business, Big Agra, Big Insurance and Big War. If elected would continue on the same trajectory, then there's all her donors she owes favors to.
Is she running scared that she won't be crowned the first female US president? Why she dangled former President Bill Clinton in our faces today? Hmm...didn't know he was running on her ticket? Yuuuge mistake former Sec of State. You just shot yourself in the foot! Do we Americans want a repeat of '93 to 2001? No thank you! Our country must move forward not backward.
One million of [Sanders'] supporters have pledged we will not cast a vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. Bernie or Bust!
Is she running scared that she won't be crowned the first female US president? Why she dangled former President Bill Clinton in our faces today? Hmm...didn't know he was running on her ticket? Yuuuge mistake former Sec of State. You just shot yourself in the foot! Do we Americans want a repeat of '93 to 2001? No thank you! Our country must move forward not backward.
One million of [Sanders'] supporters have pledged we will not cast a vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. Bernie or Bust!
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Nice to know that you possess enough privilege to know that if Trump makes the country implode, you will still land on your feet. But what do you say to the millions of other men, women, and children who get crushed in the process.
There are times when things have to get worse for things to get better. sfw. Should the country implode career politicians: Dems & Republicans, rooted in establishment practices hopefully would experience a 'come-to-a-Jesus-moment'. The R's admit they failed to perform, instead focused their arrogance, hate, racism into obstructionism. The Donald serves as a mirror to them.
The Dems content in the status quo and many married to Wall Street choosing outsourcing jobs overseas, many like Hillary [and Obama] in bed with Monsanto feeding us Frankenfood, and with Big Pharma raping the public with outrageous pricing, majority of Senators misplaced loyalty to Israel rather than to the American people and to Human Rights. Hillary is their mirror.
Only Bernie Sanders (and Eliz Warren) has the integrity and right vision for the direction our country must take, but bcz he's not in bed with all of he BIGS, he doesn't stand a chance to be elected and so the middle class & poor Americans also don't have a chance at right livelihood with either Hillary or Trump at the helm.
If implosion takes place, sfw, perhaps people will wake up!
The Dems content in the status quo and many married to Wall Street choosing outsourcing jobs overseas, many like Hillary [and Obama] in bed with Monsanto feeding us Frankenfood, and with Big Pharma raping the public with outrageous pricing, majority of Senators misplaced loyalty to Israel rather than to the American people and to Human Rights. Hillary is their mirror.
Only Bernie Sanders (and Eliz Warren) has the integrity and right vision for the direction our country must take, but bcz he's not in bed with all of he BIGS, he doesn't stand a chance to be elected and so the middle class & poor Americans also don't have a chance at right livelihood with either Hillary or Trump at the helm.
If implosion takes place, sfw, perhaps people will wake up!
This election has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans. Its about establishment preservation vs egg breaking. People will vote based on whether they want to preserve the status quo with small changes at the margin, vs put it all in the chipper and see what comes out.
And the idea of voting for a woman because she is a woman makes no more sense to me than an inner city African American voting for Clarence Thomas because he is African American.
And the idea of voting for a woman because she is a woman makes no more sense to me than an inner city African American voting for Clarence Thomas because he is African American.
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Egg breaking, RM, is how authoritarians justify their actions: If you want to make an omlette, you gotta break a few eggs. It is the belief that the ends justify the means. In this country, it has led to water-boarding, drone attacks, shoot-to-kill orders.
If that appeals to you, you should vote for Donald Trump.
If that appeals to you, you should vote for Donald Trump.
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The woman has always been either a Republican or Republican lite. However, that will NOT be enough to get very many Republicans to vote for her. She cannot be trusted to do anything she says. It should be clear to those Democrats who support her that she is a turn coat, a wolf in sheep's clothes. She supports big business and is now going after their money and votes. She is a war monger and for free trade. We need Bernie.
Much to Hillary's dismay those Republicans will NOT vote for her in big enough numbers to get her into the white house.
She is a loser and has always been. when will the Democratic party wake up and smell the coffee or the bacon.
Much to Hillary's dismay those Republicans will NOT vote for her in big enough numbers to get her into the white house.
She is a loser and has always been. when will the Democratic party wake up and smell the coffee or the bacon.
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Ah, the incredible "Alice-in-Wonderland" irony of the topsy turvy 2016 Presidential campaign where the Republican is posing as a left-wing Bernie Sanders-lite populist while the Democrat seems like a traditional Wall Street loving foreign policy hawk! This is the very problem that I, a lifelong liberal Democrat, have been struggling with. How can Hillary ever counter the clearly faux populism of the Deceitful Donald and gain the trust of Democrats like me who "Feel the Bern"? With The Donald attacking from the left as well as assaulting Hillary's "Women's card," it's time for the Democrats to play their Trump Trump card--Elizabeth Warren. Sen. Warren is a true populist who has shown her moxie in roughing up the Tweetering feathers of the Bully Billionaire and can unite the now fractured Democratic Party by keeping the Sanders voters invested and involved and defeating Daffy Donald in November.
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But yet they pull out the old cranky Barney Frank with such close ties to Wall Street. Denied single payer to even come out in the open for discussion when first putting together healthcare reform. Put together a financial bill that is a choice between too little and not enough Dodd Frank. Frank is a corporatist democrat and I would much rather have Bernie Sanders as he and Elizabeth Warren appeal to same voters AND WHY DID SHE NOT ENDORSE BERNIE?
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As a first, she needs to listen to Bernie and hear what he says. Against trump, no thinking person questions that she is the better prepared to be President. But she does not present a very appealing message. What she represents are all generalities. She does not present a message to the people.
If she wins, it will be because she opposes trump, just as Obama won because he opposed Palin.
If she wins, it will be because she opposes trump, just as Obama won because he opposed Palin.
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Yes, Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton has evolved over the years and understands both the economic and social needs of a nation. That is what makes a good leader and that is why SHE has my vote.
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The only thing that I've every seen cause Hillary to "evolve" is the latest voter poll...
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Mrs. Clinton quotes the words of her mentor, Rev. Donald Jones, "faith in action". Perhaps her watchword should change to "faith in reason". Then she would not need to define herself ideologically. Unlike her erratic opponent, she would pursue the most reasonable ideas whether from the right or the left.
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She's trying to win faith voters now?
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Wow! Hillz dad looks like Bernie Sanders. Agreed you can't get too much mileage out of saying once upon a time she was a GOO member. But Goldeater would be shocked by Trumpsters today. How far right they've come!
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Stuart Stevens might well be an expert when it comes knowing if a candidate is “uniquely unqualified to be president,” and a "a moron" as his client lost to such a candidate four years ago.
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Democrat or Republican, she can't beat sexism, and there is plenty of that in this nation.
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Saying stuff like that hardens the voters whose intelligence you've insulted against the candidate you appear to be for....
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Blue state, I doubt that anyone thinks all the people planning not to vote for Clinton are sexist. But there is definitely a contingent who will refuse to vote for her based solely on her gender.
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Where did Hilary go wrong . . . transforming into a radical lefty from a nice Goldwater Girl?!
She fell hopelessly in love with Saul Alinsky's Marxist ideology . . . she was a goner the minute she stepped into the rarified realm & marble hallways of Wellesley College.
Once Hilly got away from the father who worked so hard to raise her in fine style, she rebelled against anything and everything she once knew . . . a whole new world of "women's rights"; no more toeing the line to a man; achieving the POWER to impose her newly-acquired radicalism onto those not as 'intelligent' as her. And of course, the opportunity to glom onto Billy Clinton, her ticket-to-ride to wherever she could prod him to go.
As smart & bright as Hilly is suppose to be, she wasn't smart enough to resist the foolish, pie-in-the-sky Utopianism that Alinsky spewed . . . she swallowed it all, and to this day still believes she is the elitist par excellence, the ONE to lord over the masses to lead them to the land of perfect Socialism.
Well, say what you want about the small hometown Universities . . . but WE were bright 'n smart enough to use our education to spurn & outright reject the claptrap of Alinsky's Marxism, the stuff the 'smartest woman in the world' fell hook, line 'n sinker for.
Hilly's a radical 'n true Marxist . . . leaving her 'conservatism' behind a long, long time ago. She faithfully believes in the tenets, as she found them, some 45 years ago:
She fell hopelessly in love with Saul Alinsky's Marxist ideology . . . she was a goner the minute she stepped into the rarified realm & marble hallways of Wellesley College.
Once Hilly got away from the father who worked so hard to raise her in fine style, she rebelled against anything and everything she once knew . . . a whole new world of "women's rights"; no more toeing the line to a man; achieving the POWER to impose her newly-acquired radicalism onto those not as 'intelligent' as her. And of course, the opportunity to glom onto Billy Clinton, her ticket-to-ride to wherever she could prod him to go.
As smart & bright as Hilly is suppose to be, she wasn't smart enough to resist the foolish, pie-in-the-sky Utopianism that Alinsky spewed . . . she swallowed it all, and to this day still believes she is the elitist par excellence, the ONE to lord over the masses to lead them to the land of perfect Socialism.
Well, say what you want about the small hometown Universities . . . but WE were bright 'n smart enough to use our education to spurn & outright reject the claptrap of Alinsky's Marxism, the stuff the 'smartest woman in the world' fell hook, line 'n sinker for.
Hilly's a radical 'n true Marxist . . . leaving her 'conservatism' behind a long, long time ago. She faithfully believes in the tenets, as she found them, some 45 years ago:
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Goldwater appealed to people and frightened people in equal measure because he clearly meant what he said. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." It took 16 years for a more affable exponent of his National Review Conservatism--Reagan--to close the deal. Any teenager who liked Goldwater is not just another Democrat. Buried beneath all her compromises and scheming, her only true commitment was probably to Goldwater. Her manifest in-authenticity as a Democratic politician is the result.
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Burroughs said: "Any teenager who liked Goldwater is not just another Democrat. Buried beneath all her compromises and scheming, her only true commitment was probably to Goldwater. Her manifest in-authenticity as a Democratic politician is the result."
So people are stuck at who they were as 16 year olds? Are we to ignore that Clinton became a Democrat in college? What does that say, then, about Bernie Sanders' creepy essays in his 30s on sex fantasies or Elizabeth Warren, who was a Republican well into her 40s?
So people are stuck at who they were as 16 year olds? Are we to ignore that Clinton became a Democrat in college? What does that say, then, about Bernie Sanders' creepy essays in his 30s on sex fantasies or Elizabeth Warren, who was a Republican well into her 40s?
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"Buried beneath all her compromises and scheming, her only true commitment was probably to Goldwater. "
Really? Based on what evidence? Or is your proclamation enough?
If you don't like Hillary, don't vote for her, but at least dislike her for a real reason.
Really? Based on what evidence? Or is your proclamation enough?
If you don't like Hillary, don't vote for her, but at least dislike her for a real reason.
"Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans?"
Yes she can. But which ones? What makes me nervous is that, after being a Eugene McCarthy Democrat, she basks in the flattery of Henry Kissinger.
Yes she can. But which ones? What makes me nervous is that, after being a Eugene McCarthy Democrat, she basks in the flattery of Henry Kissinger.
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She, like Trump, likes winners, not losers.
I don't hate Hillary Clinton. For that matter, I don't hate Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders. Sure enough there are people who express hate for Hillary Clinton in this comment section. It makes me wonder what is going on in our political discourse.
What does the democracy do if Bernie Sanders gets elected? He does not have experience with much other than being a curmudgeon. He campaigns on Hillary disappointment and a call to revolution against the system. But what happens when elected? He would have a Republican congress which hates a centrist like Obama, so nothing would get done for another 4 years. His appeal is to 50% or so of half the electorate or 25% of the total electorate. I'd vote for him over a Republican but I have no illusions that he could stimulate the country to collective improvement.
Trump? well he is at least not Ted Cruz to borrow Mr. Boehner's thought. But, can't we have a serious adult as the leader of the free world.
We need evolution now not revolution. Uber left or Uber right would be the wrong thing for the country at this time; it almost seems like we are pulling ourselves apart. Damp down emotions and get stuff done, let the political evolution work its way. We need to get rid of the McConnell's and get some new collaborative Republicans and hope that we have collaborative Democrats. We can't blow ourselves apart any more. We need a return to civilized political discourse.
What does the democracy do if Bernie Sanders gets elected? He does not have experience with much other than being a curmudgeon. He campaigns on Hillary disappointment and a call to revolution against the system. But what happens when elected? He would have a Republican congress which hates a centrist like Obama, so nothing would get done for another 4 years. His appeal is to 50% or so of half the electorate or 25% of the total electorate. I'd vote for him over a Republican but I have no illusions that he could stimulate the country to collective improvement.
Trump? well he is at least not Ted Cruz to borrow Mr. Boehner's thought. But, can't we have a serious adult as the leader of the free world.
We need evolution now not revolution. Uber left or Uber right would be the wrong thing for the country at this time; it almost seems like we are pulling ourselves apart. Damp down emotions and get stuff done, let the political evolution work its way. We need to get rid of the McConnell's and get some new collaborative Republicans and hope that we have collaborative Democrats. We can't blow ourselves apart any more. We need a return to civilized political discourse.
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"What does the democracy do if Bernie Sanders gets elected?"
If I had to hazard a guess, the same thing it's always done.
"He does not have experience with much other than being a curmudgeon."
That's simply not true. He has a great deal of experience working with Republicans in Congress to get things done, and has demonstrated that he can do just that by working with John McCain to overhaul the VA and working with Rand Paul to audit the Federal Reserve.
"His appeal is to 50% or so of half the electorate or 25% of the total electorate."
Actually, in the polls, roughly 53% of Americans view Sanders favorably. That's significantly more support than either Hillary Clinton (41%) or Donald Trump (39%) have, and he's also the only candidate left standing that has more people who support him than oppose him. I think that's significant.
If I had to hazard a guess, the same thing it's always done.
"He does not have experience with much other than being a curmudgeon."
That's simply not true. He has a great deal of experience working with Republicans in Congress to get things done, and has demonstrated that he can do just that by working with John McCain to overhaul the VA and working with Rand Paul to audit the Federal Reserve.
"His appeal is to 50% or so of half the electorate or 25% of the total electorate."
Actually, in the polls, roughly 53% of Americans view Sanders favorably. That's significantly more support than either Hillary Clinton (41%) or Donald Trump (39%) have, and he's also the only candidate left standing that has more people who support him than oppose him. I think that's significant.
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Good thinking; hope you are right. We need to get change in the House and Senate. I don't hate anyone either, but there is a lot of rage against the machine out here.
The argument is still the same. Clinton stands for a left/center Democratic party of cooperating interest groups. Sanders wants a left Democratic party consolidated around economic ideology. Left/center is how liberals win elections, just as right/center is how conservatives win elections. Left or right ideological parties get all hopped up about saving the country -- and 40% of the votes. Ask Barry Goldwater or George McGovern. I'll take Clinton any day.
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She is center right, in fact to the right of Nixon.
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Patriotism does not mean supporting the New England Patriots. Once again, the Republicans are going to treat the Presidency like a football game and choose team over country. "Yes", they nod their heads "Donald Trump is a buffoon, but I will never vote for someone who is competent" cause she is not on my team. Yelling "Liar" to a President in an official address is fitting for the football bros, as is "one term President". This ain't a game fellas.
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Yet another reason for Bernie Sanders to run as the Green Party candidate... I believe he would collect half of the Democrats, three fourths of the Independents, and the anti-Trump Republicans... Not to mention the millions of new voters he would draw into the mix... I also believe minority voters would become more familiar with him by November, and peel off of Hillary's finger-in-the-wind shift-to-the-right campaign...
Do it Bernie!
Do it Bernie!
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With the result being that Donald Trump (shudder!!) will be the new president of the U.S. and be able to appoint at least 1 but maybe 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices. Won't that be great. Maybe somehow the networks could make the appointment process into a reality show where President Donnie gets to narrow the field of candidates by firing them from the show. That's what you'll get from Bernie or bust advocacy. A true politician would turn Bernie's popularity into a role in the HRC administration where he has some influence over policy. That would be a positive step instead of another disastrous 3rd party candidate resulting in a republican win. Anyone remember Ralph Nader's role in the election of GW Bush?
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Poppycock, Al... Trump would more likely beat Hillary in a one on one... But as all national polls show, they are both incredibly unpopular.. Therefore, given his popularity with progressives, independents, the youth, and yes, even Republicans, Sanders would come out on top..
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A recent houseguest of mine is Bernie or Bust. He thinks anarchy is a better option than what he regards as Clintonian incrementalism. Minority issues just are not on his radar, and he argued with me, a lawyer, that Roe v Wade will be just fine, even if Trump gets to nominate 2 justices. At the end of the day, I was left with the impression that he's worried about having to repay his $40K in student loans, thinks he wouldn't have to repay them if we have a political apocalypse and, being young and healthy, he'd do just fine in a post-apocalyptic society ... never mind that most people would not be so lucky. We probably did not make much progress on the conversation (which managed to be civil though heated), but I hope he will at least keep an open mind and think beyond just his own needs. My friends were aghast that I didn't put the survivalist out onto the streets.
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The problem I see, is there are no longer really any real republicans left---you know the ones, like my grandfather, who were willing to split the difference. The Republicans around me, even the ones with college degrees, have lost their collective minds. I think Obama pushed them over the edge, but whatever, they are determined to make America Great Again, and as for Hillary, forget it.
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What a bright shining lie John Lewis told when he smeared Bernie by saying he never saw him around SNCC in '63-'64, but supposedly did see Hillary! Too bad the truth, as everyone knows, is that Hillary was backing Goldwater, MLK's deadliest enemy back then, all the way.
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The Clintons are not nice to those who don't jump on their band-wagon. People who hold grudges are terrible at self-examination.
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John Lewis did many good things for the country until he told that whopper of a lie. I mean geez he wrote in his book about getting introduced to the Clintons in the 80's claiming to never have heard of them prior. Guess he can be bought for cheap these days.
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Yes, poor John Lewis. Damaged his integrity entirely.
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This article tells me that, notwithstanding her alleged and actual flaws, Hillary Clinton is a sentient human being, a learning omnivore, a creative and flexible thinker.
Some would label her transformation in political philosophy over time flip-flopping. It would be fairer to call it creative evolution. Whatever it is, she's in an intellectual stratosphere compared with Donald Trump who resides below ground in a very dark place.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
Some would label her transformation in political philosophy over time flip-flopping. It would be fairer to call it creative evolution. Whatever it is, she's in an intellectual stratosphere compared with Donald Trump who resides below ground in a very dark place.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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Ms. Roller is looking at the wrong end of the polity to find answers to the question she raises. It is not elite Republicans Ms. Clinton needs to woo. Rather, it is the voters here deep in flyover country where, by all accounts, she is deeply hated and distrusted. It can be heard everywhere: in bars, restaurants, churches, gas stations, dances.
And it's not just in southern Illinois. I travel extensively, both domestically and abroad, and I hear it most everywhere I go throughout the US.
Why? Well, certainly, 20+ years of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, et el., have contributed to the widespread disdain. But so, too, has been her association to the former president who is still called "Slick Willie" in these parts. Many of us still recall her actions at the run up to the war in Iraq in 2002-3, and her politically-calculated support for that disaster. To many, she, too, has done too much, said too much on too many issues to be trusted.
The proof? Look at the head-to-head polls with Donald Trump. She should be trouncing him across the board, and yet, in too many swing states, they are in a statistical dead heat. Why? It's not as if she is a political unknown or a newcomer to the national scene. And it's certainly not because Mr. Trump is a seasoned political figure who has spent years in the trenches of government service.
Should she win the nomination, her task will be to win not at the political top, but down in the trenches where far too many people are scared and angry.
And it's not just in southern Illinois. I travel extensively, both domestically and abroad, and I hear it most everywhere I go throughout the US.
Why? Well, certainly, 20+ years of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, et el., have contributed to the widespread disdain. But so, too, has been her association to the former president who is still called "Slick Willie" in these parts. Many of us still recall her actions at the run up to the war in Iraq in 2002-3, and her politically-calculated support for that disaster. To many, she, too, has done too much, said too much on too many issues to be trusted.
The proof? Look at the head-to-head polls with Donald Trump. She should be trouncing him across the board, and yet, in too many swing states, they are in a statistical dead heat. Why? It's not as if she is a political unknown or a newcomer to the national scene. And it's certainly not because Mr. Trump is a seasoned political figure who has spent years in the trenches of government service.
Should she win the nomination, her task will be to win not at the political top, but down in the trenches where far too many people are scared and angry.
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@Dochoch: Corporate boardrooms are not (yet) located in the trenches. Yes, Wall Street seems cavernous, but the view from the top is better.
Why [is she derided by flyover country people]? You mention Limbaugh, Fox, et al, but you forgot to mention the generally unbounded bigotry that seems to accompany the DT crowd. Right after declaring their group-think "hatred" for Clinton, they evidently proceed to park their brains outside (or maybe that was done before the declaration) whenever there's an opportunity to actually learn something -- are they suffering from Delirium Tremors? Without the hatred and brain disfunction, how else could these folks support DT, I mean, Donald Trump? As Stuart Stevens puts it so aptly:
"Trump is “uniquely unqualified to be president,” as well as “a moron with no demonstrated ability to acquire information.” He also derided Mr. Trump’s policies on trade and his plan to impose a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the country as “nutty as a fruitcake” and “anti-American,” respectively."
I will strive to remember Mr. Steven's poignant characterization - uniquely unqualified, anti-American moron. That about sums up DT.
"Trump is “uniquely unqualified to be president,” as well as “a moron with no demonstrated ability to acquire information.” He also derided Mr. Trump’s policies on trade and his plan to impose a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the country as “nutty as a fruitcake” and “anti-American,” respectively."
I will strive to remember Mr. Steven's poignant characterization - uniquely unqualified, anti-American moron. That about sums up DT.
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What about the media and it's double standard? What about the fact they she has received more negative press and the least positive than any other candidate--see Vox. We are such poor consumers that we don't see how critical we and the press are of HRC and not of the male candidates--at least until Trump was nominated. The unexamined sexism is appalling. Why don't we just all admit that we are having a hard time electing a woman president. Cause it's true!
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Hillary's 'campaign insiders' claim Trump can't damage her resurrecting her husband's infidelity, claiming his behavior generated enormous public sympathy for her in the 1990s, being 'hurt & vulnerable' makes her attractive.
Hey - that was the 1990s when most people viewed Hillary only as First Lady & Bill's wife. Since then she's been Senator, presidential candidate, Secretary of State, presidential candidate again, as well as 'speaking' her way to millions $$ in payments from Wall Street. There's nobody now who views Hillary as 'vulnerable.' Her campaign not understanding her public image is 180 degrees from how she was viewed in 1990s is one of their biggest mistakes. What she's gained in experience, she's lost in any semblance of a 'human touch,' she's viewed now as a corrupt, money-grubbing old battleship.
Likewise bringing Bill in to 'handle the economy.' if anything, Bill has lost stature as he's not just the former president but also the guy who made racist remarks about Obama during the 2008 campaign, who insulted BLM at campaign events & is still dogged by rumors about his behavior. Bill's highly visible & instead of busying himself w/ a presidential library or charities like George W. Bush or Jimmy Carter are involved with, he's running a global charity many believe corrupt while living like a potentate. She's wildly overestimating any public desire to see Bill talking to us & making official policy - unelected - from the White House again. That's over!
Hey - that was the 1990s when most people viewed Hillary only as First Lady & Bill's wife. Since then she's been Senator, presidential candidate, Secretary of State, presidential candidate again, as well as 'speaking' her way to millions $$ in payments from Wall Street. There's nobody now who views Hillary as 'vulnerable.' Her campaign not understanding her public image is 180 degrees from how she was viewed in 1990s is one of their biggest mistakes. What she's gained in experience, she's lost in any semblance of a 'human touch,' she's viewed now as a corrupt, money-grubbing old battleship.
Likewise bringing Bill in to 'handle the economy.' if anything, Bill has lost stature as he's not just the former president but also the guy who made racist remarks about Obama during the 2008 campaign, who insulted BLM at campaign events & is still dogged by rumors about his behavior. Bill's highly visible & instead of busying himself w/ a presidential library or charities like George W. Bush or Jimmy Carter are involved with, he's running a global charity many believe corrupt while living like a potentate. She's wildly overestimating any public desire to see Bill talking to us & making official policy - unelected - from the White House again. That's over!
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I don't think people were crazy about giving the First Lady the health portfolio; Bill will probably be fine with the econ portfolio, but no one's going to be thrilled about that either. Wonder if she'll hang him out to dry at his first flop, the way he did with her health care plan....
I love all of the comments tearing Clinton down for being too conservative. While it is true, it does not change who is on the other side. How do you all reconcile that?
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Once again, the voters have no choice.
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Hillary is experienced, smart, empathetic-- and to.that we can now add inquisitive.
Perfect combination to be a great president
Perfect combination to be a great president
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You forgot greedy and values-free in your list.
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Maybe she should have "inquired" a little more during Bush's run up to the Iraq Invasion based on outright lies and deceit?
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Aaahhh yes, the self proclaimed Mod. Dem. The Center Right turned progressive liberal. Gee, here comes the Center Right Republican again.
Who'd of thunk it!??
Stay tuned for the next whirling dervish of a candidate, as HRC spins!
Settle for Hillary 2016
The American't spirit!
Who'd of thunk it!??
Stay tuned for the next whirling dervish of a candidate, as HRC spins!
Settle for Hillary 2016
The American't spirit!
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We have a burger place here that sells The Big Ugly, the Not So Ugly and the Settle for Less Ugly, and leaving off the ugly word ugly, I think we've got those choices for the election - Big (Yuge), Not so big, and Settle for Less....
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“What can you say about a feeling that permeates a generation and that perhaps is not even understood by those who are distrusted?”
there is something in the muddled sentence from way back in hrc's youth that may be seminal, if you will, a begetter of her curious political enterprise, its shifting and bending in the breezes of ambition ("evolution' her chorus sings, flipflopping opportunism shout others ever more desperate to be heard over the hype).
“...not even understood by those who are distrusted?” even as the mistrust grows, she just doesn't get it...her sales reps are hoping that a plurality won't either.
there is something in the muddled sentence from way back in hrc's youth that may be seminal, if you will, a begetter of her curious political enterprise, its shifting and bending in the breezes of ambition ("evolution' her chorus sings, flipflopping opportunism shout others ever more desperate to be heard over the hype).
“...not even understood by those who are distrusted?” even as the mistrust grows, she just doesn't get it...her sales reps are hoping that a plurality won't either.
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The Clinton dynasty was founded on the assumption that the USA had moved so far to the right that there was no constituency for real Progressivism. So, WJC governed from the center, and saw much of the hard-core Republican agenda--from Wall Street deregulation to RFRA--enacted into law before GWB even took office. The rise of Bernie came as a surprise to all of us who accepted that conventional wisdom. `Bless those young people for proving it so wrong! An HRC administration with a large Progressive faction holding her feet to the fire might not be half bad.
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The Clinton-owned Democrats do not listen to progressive voices after the election is over.
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She gives no sign of listening, neither to Trump's more reasonable supporters, nor to Sanders' supporters. She does not listen.
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That's part of it but not quite right. The Clintons' assumption was correct: that to get progressive things done, you have to get elected first. And to get elected, you have to sometimes "pose" as a moderate or as something you don't completely believe in at heart. That's where the slick Willy and corrupt Hillary ideas have come into play. I understand the skepticism but don't share it. If Bill hadn't been so slick, the Democrats wouldn't have gotten to prove how good they are at governing. By Clinton's successes as a moderate, he paved the way for a more liberal Obama presidency and the calls for an even more liberal Sanders. Hillary supporters like me are afraid of the push-back when Democrats become too leftist. If Obama begat Trump, who would come after Sanders?
Obama made the same mistake, thinking that he could play nice with republicans. It didn't work for him and it won't work for her, republicans hate both of them and only want to see them fail...they will lie cheat and steal to con her into thinking they will have her back but as soon as she turns it, they will bite it!
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Can the NY Times pretend that she isn't hemorraging voters, much less than acquiring non democrats?
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The DNC wants to surrender the elusive hope and change in this election to deja vu.
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Democrats aren't risk averse? And why wouldn't Clinton go after donors and voters who dislike Trump? While Clinton truly is conservative, these are not the characteristics that make her that way.
Hillary's core message should be the gains she can continue to
make for her gender.
She, a woman right for our times; he, a jerk of a guy who don't know
nuttin' about governing.
make for her gender.
She, a woman right for our times; he, a jerk of a guy who don't know
nuttin' about governing.
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Republicans hate Hillary more than they hate Trump. They know that POTUS Hillary will really be POTUS Bill Clinton the Second. And they will never accept that.
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This is a sexist assumption. It means that Hillary can’t think for herself, which simply isn’t true. She won’t be like Bill; she is tougher than he is.
All of the hatefulness is exhausting and ultimately, stupid.
All of the hatefulness is exhausting and ultimately, stupid.
A better question is what happens if she loses California by 10, or 20 percent?
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Huh? Same thing when she lost by 10/20%.
If she wasn't a war hawk she would win with little trouble.
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War hawk? Maybe then. This is now.
She'd have improved chances at least.
Don't be ridiculous.
a ) She is not a "war hawk"
b) If she were any less in favor of a strong defense, the slimy GOP would brand her as a pansy who let Gaddafi walk all over her.
There is no winning in the face of the GOP slime machine. These are the people who were 100% for the Iraq Invasion with or without WMD ( including Trump ) and now are 100% against it. The party that said "deficits don't matter" now screaming about deficits.
a ) She is not a "war hawk"
b) If she were any less in favor of a strong defense, the slimy GOP would brand her as a pansy who let Gaddafi walk all over her.
There is no winning in the face of the GOP slime machine. These are the people who were 100% for the Iraq Invasion with or without WMD ( including Trump ) and now are 100% against it. The party that said "deficits don't matter" now screaming about deficits.
No Hillary Clinton cannot win over Republicans especially those of us who are moderates and do not want big government, more spending, continued lack of newly created jobs, a continued escalating debt, her tax plan, etc. Besides her untrustworthy character (by the way she sounds like a witch) Clinton Foundation, and all of her other characteristic scandals. Besides we do not want her sexual predator husband in the White House.
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But Trump is OK? I've never seen anything real about her character that was bad. At all. Many lies that make her look bad, but nothing real. But if you're actually saying that the president's husband, having had an affair in the 90's is worse than a serial misogynist,racist, moron than you're just a Trumpeteer that doesn't want to admit it.
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You're right. It's much better to have a person in office that doesn't have a clue as to how government works, who will ruin any relationships we have with our allies, who is a racist, who says one thing at the beginning of a paragraph and reverses himself at the end, who says about Obamacare "I will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something great...I don't know what it is but it'll be great." Not to mention that who knows what he's hiding in his income tax returns. Trump has nothing to offer other than his celebrity and governing is not a reality tv show.
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And Trump isn't a sexual predator?
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This year is quite clearly a race to the bottom.
Billions spent to reach the nomination of two individuals who most people don't like: or worse, have utter contempt for.
Donald Trump's best chance of winning the general is by reminding people he is not Hillary Clinton.
That will be enough to bring out most, if not all, Republican voters. They view her in the same way as most people do, a long over-due trip to the dentist.
And your take is that her latest strategy is to pick up 'moderate' Republicans? 'Moderate' is no longer an adjective which works in front of the word 'Republican'.
Billions spent to reach the nomination of two individuals who most people don't like: or worse, have utter contempt for.
Donald Trump's best chance of winning the general is by reminding people he is not Hillary Clinton.
That will be enough to bring out most, if not all, Republican voters. They view her in the same way as most people do, a long over-due trip to the dentist.
And your take is that her latest strategy is to pick up 'moderate' Republicans? 'Moderate' is no longer an adjective which works in front of the word 'Republican'.
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Why does Clinton want to be president? It's her turn in the party line up? It's her turn in the marriage? Because she wants to win the popularity contest? Because there's some vision she has for the country? It's that last I'm not seeing.
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Why is she running? She does not agree with bernies or Donald's voodoo economics, lack of realistic plans and policies, and promises they can't keep. Let's get real. This is not Denmark. Free college for all? Are you serious? Medicare for all? Are you serious? Building a wall? Are you serious? I'm with her as she does not promise stuff that is off the wall! Move to Denmark if you want Bernie and his socialist dream. Move to Vegas if you want a crazy talking billionaire supported by someone like Sheldon Adelson. Holy smoke!
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As far as I can tell, Hillary Clinton's political ambitions really got going in the late 1990's. It was at this point that she got in her head that if Bill could be president, she could do at least as good a job. Around 1998 or so, she could have divorced Bill and retired from politics, and nobody would have faulted her for it, especially since Bill's infidelity was plastered all over the front pages. She instead chose to stick it out, got Bill's advisors together, and told them "What do I have to do to become president?"
Ever since, she's been driven by the idea that she'll be the first woman to become president of the United States. And she indeed might. But that seems to be more her motivation than any particular policy idea or ideology.
Ever since, she's been driven by the idea that she'll be the first woman to become president of the United States. And she indeed might. But that seems to be more her motivation than any particular policy idea or ideology.
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Why do people find it so strange that Hillary has changed her position on things over the years? I was born in the late 40's and as I look back have changed lots of my ideas based on what I have learned, what others have done and the evolution of society. I think she is level headed and steady, a quality I want in the President. I feel the campaign will now go on to focus on the past as the GOP play the name calling game. I would rather focus on the future.
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Yeah the vote for the war in Iraq was "level headed." Sure.
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Me too. I'm Hillary's age and remember attending the Young Americans for Freedom (oxymoronic) club at my high school. It turned me into a non-political teenager until I got drafted in 1968 and became a liberal Democrat. I changed my views, and while I don't like her warlike tendency, she is the candidate I will support. The alternative, well there is no alternative.
I don't think the Beltway pundits and the Times have really caught on to the following idea yet: the country is not center-right like they are. They are actually more aligned with Sanders' platform. This, plus the crowds at Sanders' events, makes one wonder: how is Hillary Clinton leading? Are the data off, or is the voting off, or is it a matter of delegate counts?
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People have run or drifted away from the Democrats to become independents. No one 'speaks for the trees' any more. When a state primary excludes independents, the vote skews for Clinton. When a state primary includes independents, it skews for Sanders. Trump pulls the right leaning independents and Republicans who don't like their leadership for having both House and Senate and getting nothing done. Whatever the electorate is, it is not what the Times is, for sure.
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Yes, by all means, let's look at those crowds with Sanders supporters, specifically the Nevada Democratic Convention last weekend. Judging by the results, Sanders' supporters behave about as well as Trump's. It's time to pay attention to the unspoken part of Sanders' platform: if you don't do what we want, Clinton democrats, we'll throw chairs and phone in death threats to democrat's officials. The Sanders and Trump partisans are starting to look the same, and it's time for Sanders to explicitly disavow the violence and the visceral threats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-...®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-...®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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a commenter, I think you're assuming that Bernie's numbers at events (and his crowds on message boards) reflect the actual number of voters. Most of us do not have time or energy to spend at these kinds of events or to commandeer message boards, but we do vote in large numbers. Also, I think a lot of the college kids who show up at a particular event have to vote in their home states, so their appearance at rallies makes the local support seem larger. Plus, the young are notorious for not showing up to vote. The delegates do count, and Clinton has tended to win the states with the biggest numbers.
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Once a "new democrat" always a "new democrat." She'll faint to the left to attract Bernie's supporters. If she's elected she'll resume a center-center-right posture--with Bill the chief economic policy advisor and the neocon Max Boot helping her decide the next war to pursue.
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She will not ever feint to the left or she would have done it by now. She's co-opted a few planks from Sanders, but she'll [need to] pivot further right for the general, as has always happened in previous elections. Both parties' nominees pull toward their base to get the nomination, and away from their base for the general to get independents (who used to be moderates, but now they're mad as heck and not going to take it any more).
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Oh yes, brilliant analysis. So — Trump is a better alternative to Clinton whom you view as insufficiently ideologically pure? Trump with his nonexistent foreign policy experience, his string of failed businesses out of which he always emerged with sacks of cash while his investors were bankrupted? Whose sole declared policy is "it's gonna be great." How did we get to this idiotic pass where a sizeable portion of the electorate behaves like 14-year-olds whining for instant (and total) gratification? And is willing to get it from the same sort of huckster who peddles Patriot Greens, gold investments where they deliver the stuff to your home, and $189 seed kits to feed yourself after a nuclear attack? Grow up, folks. Take Voltaire's advice: don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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She was named as one of the most liberal in the senate. 85% liberal rating, same as Warren. Bernie, the furthest left, got an 86%. So how is that " center- right" in any way? Oh right, because the pundits say so....
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As a naturalized US citizen, I took one look at the Republican platform and instinctively ran away from it.
What I see here is a very thoughtful person who made her choice after getting steeped in the tradition and values of the two dominant political parties in the USA. Her humanity, will, and determination after her 90s health care fiasco, Bubba, and the 11-hour Benghazi inquisition are impressive. These are enough for me also knowing that Hillary is not the "10" President we all crave.
What I see here is a very thoughtful person who made her choice after getting steeped in the tradition and values of the two dominant political parties in the USA. Her humanity, will, and determination after her 90s health care fiasco, Bubba, and the 11-hour Benghazi inquisition are impressive. These are enough for me also knowing that Hillary is not the "10" President we all crave.
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Best thing about Clinton is the strong defense she played that one day of Benghazi hearings.
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Stuart Stevens's comment that Trump is a "moron with no demonstrated ability to acquire information" is spot on. Despite Hillary's high negatives, her intellect at least is beyond question and not subject to the mostly baseless vilification of her character, which of course, is another massive fail for Trump.
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Hillary has many dilemma's for this election. If she steers right to appeal to GOP voters she will loose many Sanders supporters. If she steers left she will loose the moderate GOP, if there is such a thing these days. This may not matter in states like New York and California, but could be crucial in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.
But she does have one thing going for her that has yet to fully unfold; that's the Trump factor. The Donald has shown the capacity to be so obnoxious that some GOP voters simply won't be able to pull the lever for him, party loyalty or not.
Her other advantage is that on most foreign policy issues Hillary is in line with the GOP. Since the culture war issues seem to have receded in this election foreign policy might be a deciding factor for GOP voters and she's clearly to the right on most of those issues.
But she does have one thing going for her that has yet to fully unfold; that's the Trump factor. The Donald has shown the capacity to be so obnoxious that some GOP voters simply won't be able to pull the lever for him, party loyalty or not.
Her other advantage is that on most foreign policy issues Hillary is in line with the GOP. Since the culture war issues seem to have receded in this election foreign policy might be a deciding factor for GOP voters and she's clearly to the right on most of those issues.
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Too bad she is so easily swayed to and fro -- depending on polls. She cannot be trusted.
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Hillary's foreign policy is in line with Republicans? Ya, the GOP started the domino effect of replacing dictators with radical Islamists and Iranian Republican Guard. But honest, that wasn't on purpose when we did it.
Her foreign policy will drive away anti-war Sanders supporters, isolationist Trump supporters and hawk Republicans who care deeply about foreign policy, share her views, but just knee-jerk dislike her. If she wants rust belt states like Penn and Ohio, she could do worse than adopt Sanders' strong stance against trade agreements. That would pick off both Sanders and Trump supporters. That would tick off her donors, so it's a non-starter. She's got herself in a right box alright.
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"Clinton Derangement Syndrome" is just as strong, if not stronger among republicans as it's sibling, "Obama Derangement Syndrome".
The disdain and almost palpable hatred republicans have for her is alarming.
I had a conversation with a republican friend of mine last week about Trump and it of course turned to Hillary.
He got so animated and angry at just the mention that I was going to vote for her that for a moment I actually thought he might hit me.
He trotted out all the "greatest hits", blaming her of course for Benghazi, Libya and even dredged up "Travelgate", raising his voice as he went along. And this is an intelligent, reasonable man on most things.
I had never experienced this type of reaction "in person" before. It really could be described as an irrational derangement, obviously fed and nurtured by Fox News and right wing talk radio.
One anecdotal incident does not an election make, but I just don't hold out high hopes that Hillary can "turn" a significant amount of republicans her way. The intense hatred they have of her appears to be foundational, irrational and irreversible.
The disdain and almost palpable hatred republicans have for her is alarming.
I had a conversation with a republican friend of mine last week about Trump and it of course turned to Hillary.
He got so animated and angry at just the mention that I was going to vote for her that for a moment I actually thought he might hit me.
He trotted out all the "greatest hits", blaming her of course for Benghazi, Libya and even dredged up "Travelgate", raising his voice as he went along. And this is an intelligent, reasonable man on most things.
I had never experienced this type of reaction "in person" before. It really could be described as an irrational derangement, obviously fed and nurtured by Fox News and right wing talk radio.
One anecdotal incident does not an election make, but I just don't hold out high hopes that Hillary can "turn" a significant amount of republicans her way. The intense hatred they have of her appears to be foundational, irrational and irreversible.
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I suspect you're right about some republicans. But I also suspect that many will vote for her. They won't admit it, but they know she's at least sane. I would guess McCain, Graham, the Bushes, Romney, etc., will all vote for her in the privacy of the booth.
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She might manage to peel off a few of the higher functioning GOP "intelligentsia"(I use the term loosely) and some of the more "hawkish" elements of the establishment that are in bed with military contractors.
However, those will be few and far between, certainly not enough to swing an election one way or another.
The GOP rank and file soundly rejected the establishment types you list by nominating Trump in the first place.
This election is getting scarier by the minute for people who have any sense of it. The "Clintons" (make no mistake, this is a package deal) are so flawed as candidates that it opens up the insane possibility of actually electing somebody as odious and absurd as Trump.
However, those will be few and far between, certainly not enough to swing an election one way or another.
The GOP rank and file soundly rejected the establishment types you list by nominating Trump in the first place.
This election is getting scarier by the minute for people who have any sense of it. The "Clintons" (make no mistake, this is a package deal) are so flawed as candidates that it opens up the insane possibility of actually electing somebody as odious and absurd as Trump.
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Crossover voting can be an instrument of change. Progressive Democrats in Hillary's adopted state, Arkansas, cast votes for Winthrop Rockefeller, first in the Republican primary, then in the general election, thereby defeating Dixiecrat segregationist Orville Faubus. It was a process of creative destruction for the Arkansas Democratic party, leading to the rise of a generation of center-left politicians including Dale Bumpers, Bill Clinton and David Pryor. In this year's election, Republican moderates have a similar opportunity by actively opposing their party's apparent nominee Trump. We'll all be better off if Clinton wins in a landslide.
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She better get a landslide to claim a mandate, because I think she'll be stone-walled and subpoenaed 24-7-365, worse than President Obama, if that's possible.
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There would probably be large sectors of the Republican conservative camp who would find Clinton's ideas meshing nicely with theirs, and it's unfortunate that the Republican tea party ideology of regarding Democrats as evil incarnate prevents them from seeing this. It's blatantly obvious that Clinton would be so much more supportive of moderate Republicans than Trump.
Clinton rightly keeps a healthy distance from the socialist-leaning radicalism of Sanders. Just as with Trump and the Republicans, Sanders would be a destructive dead-end for the Democratic Party.
Clinton rightly keeps a healthy distance from the socialist-leaning radicalism of Sanders. Just as with Trump and the Republicans, Sanders would be a destructive dead-end for the Democratic Party.
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Radicalism? Single payer health care - -enjoyed by citizens of every industrialized nation on earth - -is "radical"? Tuition free college education -- which I enjoyed right here in Brooklyn in the '70s -- is "radical"? Breaking up the monopoly of the Big Banks is "radical"? $15 an hour Federal minimum wage is "radical"?
Call me a "radical" Socialist.
Call me a "radical" Socialist.
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It will be a miracle if HRC can pull Sanders Democrats into the fold!
Bernie is the choice of an educated American. He is a New Deal Democrat, and he wants to restore the regime of banking regulation, which was the cornerstone of the New Deal, until Bill Clinton obliterated FDR's great accomplishment by his repeal of the Glass Steagall Act, and his signature on the Market Modernization Act of 2000, which is commonly known as the Enron loophole.
There now exists a political duopoly dedicated to neoliberal principles, which are tied closely to the principles of Shock and Awe, and which have made finance a tool of war. The Republican Faction and the Democratic Faction are good guy:bad guy elements within this duopoly, who compete for the spoils, and finally, this election cycle, many Americans are not willing to give up their vote to either faction, not even on the premise of voting for the lesser evil!
Within the Democratic party are two factions, one of which is the Goldman Sachs Faction symbolized by the Clintons, and the other is a resurgent New Deal Faction led by Bernie, which has had enough of neocons on foreign policy, and neoliberals on the belligerent use of finace and economics for the purpose of consolidating wealth.
Bernie Sanders is an American hero for his primary challenge to what the Clintons represent, and I hope that when the DNC shafts him, he runs as a third party candidate with Elizabeth Warren as his running mate. If not Warren, then Dennis Kucinich.
Bernie is the choice of an educated American. He is a New Deal Democrat, and he wants to restore the regime of banking regulation, which was the cornerstone of the New Deal, until Bill Clinton obliterated FDR's great accomplishment by his repeal of the Glass Steagall Act, and his signature on the Market Modernization Act of 2000, which is commonly known as the Enron loophole.
There now exists a political duopoly dedicated to neoliberal principles, which are tied closely to the principles of Shock and Awe, and which have made finance a tool of war. The Republican Faction and the Democratic Faction are good guy:bad guy elements within this duopoly, who compete for the spoils, and finally, this election cycle, many Americans are not willing to give up their vote to either faction, not even on the premise of voting for the lesser evil!
Within the Democratic party are two factions, one of which is the Goldman Sachs Faction symbolized by the Clintons, and the other is a resurgent New Deal Faction led by Bernie, which has had enough of neocons on foreign policy, and neoliberals on the belligerent use of finace and economics for the purpose of consolidating wealth.
Bernie Sanders is an American hero for his primary challenge to what the Clintons represent, and I hope that when the DNC shafts him, he runs as a third party candidate with Elizabeth Warren as his running mate. If not Warren, then Dennis Kucinich.
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With you until the last paragraph. No third party runs. Let him spend four years being kingmaker of a new party. With his donor lists and a strong media unit He could begin a strong 3rd party that will not crash and burn after one election. He needs to build an organization not dependent on his personal honesty. He could foster younger pols and position them to run up and down ticket.
"Bernie is the choice of an educated American. "
Really? Not as far as I can judge. Please refer to today's article about the violent behavior at the Nevada Democratic Convention and the death threats phoned in by his supporters after the convention. In truth, Bernie is the choice of the UFC crowd, not a very educated segment unless you consider throwing chairs at public events the mark of education.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-...®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Over the past several months, commenters supporting Sanders here have become progressively more aggressive and nasty, calling Clinton for example, a "laboratory rat" which if left unchecked will "gorge itself to death". Dehumanizing, delegitimizing propaganda, not intended to identify policies or actions with which they disagree, but only intended to strip Clinton of all positive human qualities.
Sanders and his supporters are dangerous, more so because they are not aware of their own excesses and obsessions. The mark of an educated person is self-awareness. There's no sign of that in these partisans.
Really? Not as far as I can judge. Please refer to today's article about the violent behavior at the Nevada Democratic Convention and the death threats phoned in by his supporters after the convention. In truth, Bernie is the choice of the UFC crowd, not a very educated segment unless you consider throwing chairs at public events the mark of education.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-...®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Over the past several months, commenters supporting Sanders here have become progressively more aggressive and nasty, calling Clinton for example, a "laboratory rat" which if left unchecked will "gorge itself to death". Dehumanizing, delegitimizing propaganda, not intended to identify policies or actions with which they disagree, but only intended to strip Clinton of all positive human qualities.
Sanders and his supporters are dangerous, more so because they are not aware of their own excesses and obsessions. The mark of an educated person is self-awareness. There's no sign of that in these partisans.
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Stephen J Johnson said: "Bernie is the choice of an educated American."
That's pretty funny. How did Bernie manage to lose this highly educated socialist, as well as her highly educated socialist brother. I was surprised to learn that my brother was dead-set against Sanders, for the same reason I initially turned away: Sanders' math-challenged platform. If the numbers don't add up, and they rely on more optimistic forecasts than the laughable projections of Republicans, we just can't support it. Sanders is great at what he does, calling attention to issues. But he is being deceptive about all the conditions that would need to be in place for his policies to work. He is also not temperamentally suited for the WH, where he actually would be required to do something other than yell and rail against the system. Of course, if it's between Sanders and Trump, Sanders would be infinitely superior.
That's pretty funny. How did Bernie manage to lose this highly educated socialist, as well as her highly educated socialist brother. I was surprised to learn that my brother was dead-set against Sanders, for the same reason I initially turned away: Sanders' math-challenged platform. If the numbers don't add up, and they rely on more optimistic forecasts than the laughable projections of Republicans, we just can't support it. Sanders is great at what he does, calling attention to issues. But he is being deceptive about all the conditions that would need to be in place for his policies to work. He is also not temperamentally suited for the WH, where he actually would be required to do something other than yell and rail against the system. Of course, if it's between Sanders and Trump, Sanders would be infinitely superior.
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I am not a Trump fan. But I can say with complete confidence that for every registered Republican who votes for Hillary, there will be at least two (or perhaps five) registered Democrats who vote for Trump.
A significant percentage of Democratic blue collar union workers who are appalled by the Democrat's energy policy will vote for Trump. Which Republican constituency will be voting for Hillary? There is none. And individual here or there, but that's it.
A significant percentage of Democratic blue collar union workers who are appalled by the Democrat's energy policy will vote for Trump. Which Republican constituency will be voting for Hillary? There is none. And individual here or there, but that's it.
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I was struck by this:
"... Republicans have said that they are not sure they can trust Hillary Clinton."
Does Emma Roller actually belive that accurately characterizes the situation, or is she being disingenuous? I mean, it's a massive understatement--akin to saying Republicans aren't sure they can trust Satan.
There is no Democrat alive today more reviled by the GOP than Hillary Clinton. Her candidacy serves only to unite a fractured Republican Party around Donald Trump and Republicans will turn out in droves to vote against her.
The three Republicans Ms. Roller cites are neocons whose only loyalty is to the Likud party and perpetual war. They could not care less about Republican or conservative values and have few domestic policy preferences. Neocons have been among the most ardent supporters of Obama's foreign policy.
So no, Hillary Clinton will not make even marginal inroads with Republican voters in November. In fact, her candidacy will cause far more Democrats to cross over to Republican lines--particularly among Sanders's supporters.
Sometimes political pundits get so wrapped up in their own beliefs they suffer a complete loss of objectivity. They start to believe things like, "Hillary can win over Republican voters." Emma Roller probably doesn't know one person who supports Donald Trump, and she can't imagine why Republicans, if given the right pitch, would not support Hillary Clinton.
"... Republicans have said that they are not sure they can trust Hillary Clinton."
Does Emma Roller actually belive that accurately characterizes the situation, or is she being disingenuous? I mean, it's a massive understatement--akin to saying Republicans aren't sure they can trust Satan.
There is no Democrat alive today more reviled by the GOP than Hillary Clinton. Her candidacy serves only to unite a fractured Republican Party around Donald Trump and Republicans will turn out in droves to vote against her.
The three Republicans Ms. Roller cites are neocons whose only loyalty is to the Likud party and perpetual war. They could not care less about Republican or conservative values and have few domestic policy preferences. Neocons have been among the most ardent supporters of Obama's foreign policy.
So no, Hillary Clinton will not make even marginal inroads with Republican voters in November. In fact, her candidacy will cause far more Democrats to cross over to Republican lines--particularly among Sanders's supporters.
Sometimes political pundits get so wrapped up in their own beliefs they suffer a complete loss of objectivity. They start to believe things like, "Hillary can win over Republican voters." Emma Roller probably doesn't know one person who supports Donald Trump, and she can't imagine why Republicans, if given the right pitch, would not support Hillary Clinton.
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Hillary is also reviled by quite a few Democrats.
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I would caution those who believe independents tilt left and would be alienated by a more moderate Clinton agenda. The Democrat/progressive brand has not done well over the past six years. In 2014 the GOP had 54 seats in the Senate and won Governor races in states like Maryland and Illinois, along with more state legislatures than at any point since 1928. Obama lost independents by 5 points in 2012. The unified turnout machine that lifted Obama past Romney will not be in place for Clinton due to very real fractures in the progressive base. She needs to build a different coalition to not only win but also govern. Winning even 15% of Republicans would be an excellent start.
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Bernie Sanders seems to be doing pretty well -- despite the lack of media attention, despite the lack of name recognition (in the beginning), and despite the lack of Big Money behind him.
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AND the constant roadblocks put up state by state by the DNC themselves.
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Fine piece, Emma Roller, on Hillary Rodham Clinton former Goldwater Girl. May she win over all the "Anyone But Trump" Republicans who have been searching for a presumptive presidential nominee. Mrs. Clinton has all the chops and all the nous and brilliance that Trump lacks and will never have. Mrs. Clinton also has the baggage that accompanies her passage through the political life she has led - including "The Big Dog" - whom she said yesterday will be in charge of "fixing the economy" in her Presidency. The lovely thing about Wellesley is entering as a dyed-in-the-wool Republican and graduating as a young Democratic reformer. Pretty photo by Ron Frehm (AP) of Hillary Clinton and her parents, the Rodhams, in 1992. One can only hope that Hillary will turn red states blue 6 months from now in this never-endingly shameful Presidential campaign which will run 17 months in all, if nothing of moment occurs in either Party between now and Election Day. So much depends on the unprognosticated and shocking events that will happen during the coming months.
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My guess is that the moment she secures the Democratic nomination, she's going to abandon all the positions that won her that primary. And that will indeed help her win Republican votes.
Why? Because that's Clinton Strategy 101: As soon as you can, start ignoring your base and instead pander to the voters who might have a viable alternative to voting for you. Don't be seen as "progressive" or "liberal". Do some hippie-punching and scary talk about black people (e.g. "superpredators") to make that clear.
Why? Because that's Clinton Strategy 101: As soon as you can, start ignoring your base and instead pander to the voters who might have a viable alternative to voting for you. Don't be seen as "progressive" or "liberal". Do some hippie-punching and scary talk about black people (e.g. "superpredators") to make that clear.
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And my guess is that the moment Trump secures the Republican nomination, he's going to abandon all the positions that won him that primary. And that will indeed help him win Democratic votes. Duh.
Trump will do exactly the same as you say about HRC: he will ignore his base, pander to voters who might have a viable alternative to voting for him, won't be seen as "conservative" too much.
The key is whether voters want change, or whether they think they are better off than they were 4 or 8 years ago. If the former, then the agent of change [Trump] wins; if the latter, then HRC wins Obama's third term. Their high unfavorability ratings cancel each other out, and the race still remains about the economy.
Trump will do exactly the same as you say about HRC: he will ignore his base, pander to voters who might have a viable alternative to voting for him, won't be seen as "conservative" too much.
The key is whether voters want change, or whether they think they are better off than they were 4 or 8 years ago. If the former, then the agent of change [Trump] wins; if the latter, then HRC wins Obama's third term. Their high unfavorability ratings cancel each other out, and the race still remains about the economy.
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Exactly. There’s all this talk about Bernie pulling Hillary to the left, but her position is chimeric and evanescent. She will pander to whomever she needs to get elected, and the minute she is sworn in she will throw them under the train. It’s the Clinton style – pragmatic. Is she a Democrat or Republican? It’s irrelevant. She is an oligarch.
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Yes, she can. She could win my vote, if Trump fails to adopt more gravitas and doesn't artfully place far more meat on a very sketchy policy framework. But I expect him to do both, so the more interesting question to me is whether Trump can win over Democrats and Independents, because it's THAT question that likely will decide the election.
Hillary and Trump, when the policy dust settles, likely will be seen to have basically similar convictions, or at least claim to -- with some exceptions. If voters are willing to decide the election depending on whether they agree with Hillary or Trump on immigration or how seriously they take Trump's apparent misogyny or general bad manner, I'd be surprised, given their forbearance so far. When two opponents basically agree on fundamental convictions, look to the effectiveness of attack ads to decide a contest. So far, it seems to me that going in Trump has an immense advantage. It's not that the Clinton machine is less effective at this than Trump likely will be, but Trump has so much more grist to grind into flour.
Apart from the legitimate questions that deal with Hillary's performance there are her many questionable actions, as well as the fact that Bill never really has been held to account for his. Expect that Trump will dissect these matters very effectively. In the end, the last person standing may be the one with the marginally lower unlikeability numbers.
Hillary and Trump, when the policy dust settles, likely will be seen to have basically similar convictions, or at least claim to -- with some exceptions. If voters are willing to decide the election depending on whether they agree with Hillary or Trump on immigration or how seriously they take Trump's apparent misogyny or general bad manner, I'd be surprised, given their forbearance so far. When two opponents basically agree on fundamental convictions, look to the effectiveness of attack ads to decide a contest. So far, it seems to me that going in Trump has an immense advantage. It's not that the Clinton machine is less effective at this than Trump likely will be, but Trump has so much more grist to grind into flour.
Apart from the legitimate questions that deal with Hillary's performance there are her many questionable actions, as well as the fact that Bill never really has been held to account for his. Expect that Trump will dissect these matters very effectively. In the end, the last person standing may be the one with the marginally lower unlikeability numbers.
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It always sounds so plausible, so inevitable as it rolls off the silvery typing fingers of the indefatigable Richard Luettgen. Would it were only so. Don't forget, dear readers, how equally certain he was about JEB! Why does Trump have "so much more grist to grind into flour" than Hillary? Because, his supporters, and Mr. Luettgen, have abandoned any convictions they may have ever had about the dignity and significance of the office of the Presidency. In a reasonable world Mr. Luettgen's assertion is simply preposterous. Trump is narcissistic, personally and professionally reckless, amoral and a colossus of ignorance. His résumé is a stinking litter box. Of course Richard knows this to be true, but will hold his nose and support him anyway because, as he's fond of saying, Trump is the "fusion" candidate; the logjam breaker. This is how he rationalizes picking up his pitchfork-shaped remote and joining the hordes of reality TV voters rather than exercising his franchise like a responsible adult. There are moments in history, and this is one of them, when smug and smarmy gamesmanship must give way to the demands of citizenship. Even if we escape calamity with a Trump presidency, we will never escape shame.
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Questionable performance and actions? Plenty of that on Trump's part, too, that can be dissected and ground! The only difference is that his closet skeletons were all in the private sector, while hers were in the public sector. But he has only been in the private sector, so it's all fair game. Fasten your seat belts....
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I think you're right. Scary. Trump's really a NY Dem at heart, the way Clinton's a Goldwater Girl; he'll let that shine and tick off all the Rs, but they have no other choice than Clinton, whom they've worked themselves into a white hot hate over. How many sensible people (these are the kind of people who vote, mind you) will hold their noses and pull the lever for Clinton, who couldn't excite a pre-school with a plate of cookies in hand. That is the question. One Muslim terrorist incident at the right time, and it's hello, Prez Trump. Even he will be surprised at that for 30 seconds.
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At this point in the fading primary race it appears that Bernie will sprint into Philadelphia after winning impressive primary victories in the remaining states. The question is what is he going to do when he races onto the speaker's stage? What will he say? He does not really fit into the Democratic Party, and neither does the party really want to claim him. Does he return to his outsider seat in the Senate or does he set it all aside after having gallantly fought the impossible dream? In all, he did well for a kid of humble Brooklyn origins, coming out of nowhere to shake the structure and function of at least Democratic Politics. Those Dems, if they choose to understand the emerging political reality of our time, should concede their message and style are out of step with new political winds blowing across this country. Good job Mr. Sanders. You demonstrated that integrity, honesty and conviction still have a place in the hearts and minds of many Americans. And, for that you have our heartfelt appreciation.
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Bernie is obviously not qualified. He is too honest.
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I would love to see the same media and right wing scrutiny given to Bernie that has been thrown at Hillary for the past 25 years. Most of my friends who are Bernie supporters no nothing about him, nothing about Jane, nothing about his past where Hillary has been on a high wire for years. No one knows how honest Bernie is because they are not afraid of him.....
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Boy, Maggie....Joseph sends out a heartfelt, positive appeal to Sanders' supporters and you come back with the usual negative that drives us away. Like the scorpion and the frog crossing the river....you simply can't help yourself.
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Hillary doesn't need GOP votes to win. GOP voters will stay in the fold.. They would vote for Charles Manson, if he promised more tax cuts for the 1%.
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Well played. That made me laugh. I'll counter though.
Democrats would vote for Ronald Reagan if he promised military aggression, an unbalanced budget, union breaking, and social conservatism.
Oops. They already did... twice.
Democrats would vote for Ronald Reagan if he promised military aggression, an unbalanced budget, union breaking, and social conservatism.
Oops. They already did... twice.
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Meh. Dems would run into the arms of Reagan if he promised secure borders, good jobs and fair taxes.
Trump is promising two out of three. Reagan was also a celebrity like Trump. I'm not a Republican or a Trump supporter but those sound like bad odds for Democrats.
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It appears that there are a few Americans averse to electing an experienced, pragmatic, just and able candidate who is a woman. They would rather choose a white man who lacks any credibility or a white man who lacks any ability. The choice for America is very clear and yet there are still questions?
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Is it not possible for a man to not want to vote for Hillary for any reason other than that she is a woman? And that any white male is preferable to a female? Please. I was an ardent supporter of the feminist movement in the 70's but I have come to regret what that has wrought. There are any number of women I would vote for over Trump, whom I will not vote for, but Hillary is not one of them.
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Clinton is pragmatic, just, and able?
Sure, for a neo-liberal hawk.
Pragmatic enough to help get us into Iraq. Just enough to amass 110 million dollars in wealth sucking up to the haves in only a decade and a half. Able enough to help Libya self destruct. And that's just the start of her CV.
Really, you need to take off your gendered goggles. There's a lot more going on than you can see through your pink lenses.
Sure, for a neo-liberal hawk.
Pragmatic enough to help get us into Iraq. Just enough to amass 110 million dollars in wealth sucking up to the haves in only a decade and a half. Able enough to help Libya self destruct. And that's just the start of her CV.
Really, you need to take off your gendered goggles. There's a lot more going on than you can see through your pink lenses.
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Just ignore all the reasons why people do not support Hillary. It's because of her record, what she stands for (NAFTA, for-profit health care, for-profit prisons, fracking, arms deals, Iraq War, regime change, deregulation of Wall Street .. and on and on.)
But just ignore all that. She's a woman.
But just ignore all that. She's a woman.
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A fabricated meme is all that constitutes Hillary's "untrustworthiness".
Sure, she's a politician, and has all the deficiencies that politicians have, but NO MORE.
Sure, she's a politician, and has all the deficiencies that politicians have, but NO MORE.
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"She's a politician, and has all the deficiencies that politicians have, but NO MORE."
The critique from the Sanders campaign is not that Hillary Clinton is unusual among politicians for talking out of both sides of her mouth (e.g. simultaneously supporting ending the coal industry to stop climate change, while promising coal miners that they can keep their coal mining jobs) or for taking in millions in big money donations while skirting election law to do so, or for telling her donors something secretly that she is unwilling to tell the general public. The critique is that all those behaviors, while entirely typical for politicians, are wrong for the country.
That's why the "everybody does it" defense doesn't carry much weight with Sanders supporters. We're mad because we know everybody does it.
The critique from the Sanders campaign is not that Hillary Clinton is unusual among politicians for talking out of both sides of her mouth (e.g. simultaneously supporting ending the coal industry to stop climate change, while promising coal miners that they can keep their coal mining jobs) or for taking in millions in big money donations while skirting election law to do so, or for telling her donors something secretly that she is unwilling to tell the general public. The critique is that all those behaviors, while entirely typical for politicians, are wrong for the country.
That's why the "everybody does it" defense doesn't carry much weight with Sanders supporters. We're mad because we know everybody does it.
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Talk about faint praise. Sanders's backers are looking for that rare politician with something to offer.
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Please, she and her husband run one of the most dishonest organizations on the entire planet. The Clinton Foundation. You have to be a complete idolog not to admit it. If she were anyone else, she would be in jail by now.
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Two comments:
First, why is the same story about Donald Trump front page headlines and this is opEd? Whose side are we on over here?
Second, all of my moderate Republican friends and that includes many white men, are voting for HRC. They think their party has lost it's mind.
First, why is the same story about Donald Trump front page headlines and this is opEd? Whose side are we on over here?
Second, all of my moderate Republican friends and that includes many white men, are voting for HRC. They think their party has lost it's mind.
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You obviously do not have many moderate Republican friends. Most will either not vote, or vote for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian.
If Cruz voters can turn to the Libertarian party (I know some) certainly other anti-Trump Republicans can as well.
Yes, it's about the arrogance of Ms. Clinton. But it's also about the arrogance of a Democratic Party leadership that would choose a candidate who lost badly before in a presidential election and remained disliked, even more so after devoting herself to becoming a multimillionaire, thanks to Wall Street paying her millions for a handful of secret speeches. Yes, we already knew that the DNC leadership disdains the middle class and merely panders to the poor now and then; now, they disdain voters under 40, too. (I find it especially bizarre that the New York Times quotes others quoting her ghostwritten books, as if she really wrote what is in her "autobiographies.")
There are now more Democrats than Republicans in this country. Yet, she appeals to the Republicans rather than court the Democrats she was assigned to. Please save us, fellow Democrats (California! Oregon!) who have yet to vote in the primaries, by giving Mr. Sanders the landslide votes he needs before the current Democratic Party leadership wrecks its own party and possibly the country.
There are now more Democrats than Republicans in this country. Yet, she appeals to the Republicans rather than court the Democrats she was assigned to. Please save us, fellow Democrats (California! Oregon!) who have yet to vote in the primaries, by giving Mr. Sanders the landslide votes he needs before the current Democratic Party leadership wrecks its own party and possibly the country.
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Both Sanders and Clinton would have uphill climbs against Trump. An old Jewish socialist with a stoop and a wagging finger is not exactly ready for prime time. The only saving grace is that Trump scares the sensible, the horses and the children, as they say.
One of the major problems with the Democratic Party under the Clintons, and under first term Obama, is the push to win over Republicans. They cannot be won over, they have no interest and those few moderates that were left after the disaster that was the Bush Administration either be me Democrats or Independents. The only outcome of trying to win over Republicans is continued alienation of an increasing liberal Democratic base, the alienation that dampens enthusiasm and leads to the base staying home....like 2010 and 2014.
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Your political universe is why we have poor representation from Republicans. Voting is a responsibility; you vote for the best not the perfect. It's a government "of" and "by" the people not just for the people. You clearly don't take your responsibility seriously and have zero room to complain.
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Ah, blame Obama. Don't blame the Republicans, blame the victim.
Please wake up and do your possible to provide some support all the way to your local dog catcher, so we can make some progress.
Obama is not the villain here, but *you* are working on making things worse.
Please wake up and do your possible to provide some support all the way to your local dog catcher, so we can make some progress.
Obama is not the villain here, but *you* are working on making things worse.
A better headline: Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Progressives?
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The New York Times has no interest in progressives.
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A majority of us - Democrats and Republicans - simply do not Hillary to be the next president. We want the NYTimes to honestly report on legitimate Democrat opposition to Hillary. We want our reasonable concerns about fraud and strong-arming at the Nevada caucus and other primaries accurately and fairly covered. This would be journalism, not 'free' campaigning, which is what NYT is currently doing blatantly. We simply do not want Hillary, we do not want Trump. Its definitely not that she's a woman, it because she is Hillary. Bernie looks OK, but the more important issue is that we do NOT want either of the two assumed candidates. Can you report on that? Can you fairly report on that?
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To organic farmer: Hillary Clinton actually won the Nevada caucuses. And I do believe death threats coming from Bernie supporters, hoping to pick up Nevada delegates, likely count as a lot more than the so called "strong-arming" attributed to Hillary's people. Time to recognize Bernie and his supporters are no saints, or even frankly idealists. There should be no tolerance in American politics for death threats. This isn't a circus, its a serious election with the Supreme Court hanging in the balance. So if you don't care about Citizens United or reproductive rights, or you believe corporations are citizen too, keep going. There are thirty years of nice, conservative court decisions waiting for you. Sadly, that would harm a lot of people, especially poor women who have already seen their rights eroded in places like Texas. Believe what you believe, but spare us the outrage of the wronged candidate. At this point, Bernie's politics are as messy and dirty as anybody's.
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We don't always get what we want in a primary or general election. We make the best of it and move on. Bernie supporters are beginning to question/threaten the notion of democracy with their temper tantrum. He is losing and will lose. And when you lose by 3 million votes, you are not the most popular candidate. After the primary you choose the next best person who represents your positions. It's not a personality contest. This is how it works unless you think coups, endless conflict, and physical violence are better than what we have. The millennial temper tantrum based to a large degree on ignorance of the process, political history and voters outside their bubble is threatening to put Trump into the presidency.
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You say majority and yet she is winning the primary and is probably going town the General Election. Sanders keeps talking about a Revolution where millions and millions of people stand up yet all we get is ten thousands hipsters in a stadium and constant accusations of fraud. I prefer to count enthusiasm by votes and not by crowds. Ron Paul had crowds, Sanders is no different.
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Americans don't want a Goldwater Girl, Emma.
We want change
Donald Trump represents change for the Republicans.
Bernie Sanders represents change for the Democrats.
Hillary Clinton represents the past - from Goldwater through Nixon & Kissinger through Reagan and all of the Bushes and the previous Clinton Administration. Hillary Clinton is not a safe bet in the current electoral climate. She is a high risk candidate.
In this election year, Bernie Sanders is a far better candidate to run against Donald Trump. Everyone knows this, but too many are beholden to the deals they made with the Clintons.
We want change
Donald Trump represents change for the Republicans.
Bernie Sanders represents change for the Democrats.
Hillary Clinton represents the past - from Goldwater through Nixon & Kissinger through Reagan and all of the Bushes and the previous Clinton Administration. Hillary Clinton is not a safe bet in the current electoral climate. She is a high risk candidate.
In this election year, Bernie Sanders is a far better candidate to run against Donald Trump. Everyone knows this, but too many are beholden to the deals they made with the Clintons.
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This perfect description of the mess we're in in selecting our next President should be a Times pick, but the censors have determined it should not be. Perhaps one of the greatest news outlets in the world and it shows destructive bias at every turn when "reporting" anything Hillary.
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I don't know if this is your first rodeo, but in that era, when true conservatism meant government staying out of your business, big thinkers were charmed by Barry Goldwater, a great American. Barry Goldwater would be appalled by the current iteration of "conservatism". Perhaps you could read a little about him. As for Mr. Sanders, America will not likely elect a wild-eyed bolsehvik atheist non-democrat, perpetual "revolutionary". When it's all over, Mr. Sanders and his non-profit "expert" wife will form a non-profit using the leftover multimillions from the angst-ridden masses. It'll be a lesson in the marxist redistribution of wealth. It will take a while for the ez pz free college types to figure out whose wealth just got redistributed.
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Trump does not represent change. Trump represents big money like Carl Icahn and T Boone Pickens and Shledon Adelson. But most of all Trump represents the Trump Brand, Trump himself. This is on of the biggest con jobs ever ..Trump is not against the "establishment: - he is the establishment, and is part of the darkest most corrupt elements of that establishment.
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Most of us, if we're honest, can see in ourselves a continuity of identity from our teens into our adulthood. Political leanings, which have so much to do with native levels of distrust, relationship to authority and concern for justice, are actually quite hard-wired. One surprising finding from the Minnesota study of identical twins reared apart was high concordance for placement on the political --and religious -- spectrum.
Hillary is still who she's always been -- a person who is innately conservative, quite distrustful, not immune to the moral appeals of social justice, but extremely swayed by the dominant views of those who surround her. She never really chose between Goldwater and Wesley. She can't.
Hillary is still who she's always been -- a person who is innately conservative, quite distrustful, not immune to the moral appeals of social justice, but extremely swayed by the dominant views of those who surround her. She never really chose between Goldwater and Wesley. She can't.
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She chose Saul Alinsky, the american communist revolutionary.
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Portia, you might enjoy Siddhartha Mukherjee's new book, The Gene. He reflects quite interestingly on how genes are activated (or not) by environmental factors. Genes are not destiny. I think many scientists might quibble with the concept that someone is genetically conservative or religious.
A psychologist, on the other hand, might say we based our belief systems, political and otherwise, on the narrative we build around the events we experience. We make choices about how to interpret those narratives every day. That's where change comes from. Many psychologists believe that personality remains fluid into the twenties.
To say that Hillary is "extremely swayed by the dominant views of those who surround her" based on her changing views in high school and college is to suggest that we are all--horrors!--forever defined by out high school diaries (or instagram posts). Hillary has a liberal voting record in the senate, her work on behalf of children and families has been consistent over a long period of time. I don't think we can ignore her record in favor of high school ideals.
A psychologist, on the other hand, might say we based our belief systems, political and otherwise, on the narrative we build around the events we experience. We make choices about how to interpret those narratives every day. That's where change comes from. Many psychologists believe that personality remains fluid into the twenties.
To say that Hillary is "extremely swayed by the dominant views of those who surround her" based on her changing views in high school and college is to suggest that we are all--horrors!--forever defined by out high school diaries (or instagram posts). Hillary has a liberal voting record in the senate, her work on behalf of children and families has been consistent over a long period of time. I don't think we can ignore her record in favor of high school ideals.
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Actually, I disagree, few are who they were as teenagers.
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Maybe she should step back for awhile. Every time she comes out with some nonsense like putting Bill in charge of the economy she makes Trump look better.
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A very long stretch, ridiculous in every way. In this case 1+1 does not equal 2.
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It does not equal 2 it equals 1 supermega team.
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Have now read some of the comments below, calling Hillary a "Daddy's girl" and claiming that she will always be instinctively conservative and Republican.
Well, my father was a rock-ribbed Republican who earned his living (and the funds for my liberal college education) by designing fighter planes. He helped introduce the F-15 into Saudi Arabia. I loved him. Love him still. He's gone now. I remain a Daddy's girl.
And a strongly rock-ribbed liberal.
It's not that hard, darlins'. Girls do grow up to become women.
Oh yeah, and we old girls have no patience with Hillary-haters who tag her supporters as "blind feminists." Just remember, and repeat this to yourself: women are voters, women are in the majority, women are voters. Get used to it.
Well, my father was a rock-ribbed Republican who earned his living (and the funds for my liberal college education) by designing fighter planes. He helped introduce the F-15 into Saudi Arabia. I loved him. Love him still. He's gone now. I remain a Daddy's girl.
And a strongly rock-ribbed liberal.
It's not that hard, darlins'. Girls do grow up to become women.
Oh yeah, and we old girls have no patience with Hillary-haters who tag her supporters as "blind feminists." Just remember, and repeat this to yourself: women are voters, women are in the majority, women are voters. Get used to it.
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yes, so we can expect tens of millions of ladies to put hillary into the oval office because she is a woman. Not because she has any other qualifications or useful experience and accomplishments, but because she is...... "a woman."
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I'm an 'old girl' and feminist for 47+ years and have no patience with Hillary supporters who trash other women because we don't support her. Feminism is about respecting the choices of other women. A lot of us don't believe a woman whose every political advantage is the result of her husband being president is much of a feminist. Hillary's more like Lurleen Wallace....in more ways than one.
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I'm one of those "we old girls". And I am adamantly opposed to Queen Bee, Republican Hillary Clinton and I would love to see her soundly defeated by the only true Democrat in the race. Bernie Sanders. Having said that I will NOT vote for Hillary. Have not made a decision about what I will do in this disastrous presidential campaign, but I do have choices non of which include Queen Bee. And many of my friends belong to the "we old girls" and they are NOT going to be voting for Queen Bee either.
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One of the reasons there’s NOT "any great groundswell of enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton among Republicans, but there’s not a lot of enthusiasm for her among Democrats, either” is that Ms. Clinton has not heeded the advice she gave her graduating class at Wellesley. Unlike Mr. Sanders, who HAS reminded voters that they should fight "to win again what we’ve lost before”, Ms. Clinton, like her husband, has far too often split the difference between where we are and where we were before... and as a result the Middle Class has lost ground. If she wants to generate some enthusiasm she should abandon her efforts to get the 84% of Republicans who loathe her on her side and instead convince the 50% of Democrats who support Mr. Sanders that she really does want to try again and agains and again to win what we've lost as a nation.
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Among the many insightful reader comments on this op-ed, this one is outstanding for its poignancy.
If the media will stop obsessing about Donny Trump and silly girls who like rich guys and transmit Hillary Clinton's message, she might have a chance.
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What message and promises are H.Clinton delivering this week? She's merely a female pander bear; who's in it for herself; not the American people.. Her deviousness, dishonesty, and her blatant attempts to "fix' the Democratic nomination in her favor will be her undoing; That is; if the FBI doesn't sweep her up in their security investigation first..
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The media can't find any message from Hillary except "I deserve to be crowned president of the USA".
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She doesn't need to win over Republicans. She needs to win over Dems, Bernie's crew and the confused undecided.
She doesn't need to win over Republicans. She needs to win over Dems, Bernie's crew and the confused undecided.
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The candidacy of Donald Trump represents possibly the most serious threat to the welfare of the US of any major contender for the presidency in our history. His clear indifference, if not outright hostility, to women and ethnic minorities, coupled with a casual contempt for the principles of democratic government and individual rights, evoke memories of southern politicians in the Jim Crow era. That any supporter of Bernie Sanders, the polar opposite of everything Trump symbolizes, could contemplate staying home on election day, defies common sense.
The adage, don't let the best become the enemy of the good, applies here. It appears unlikely that the senator will win the Democratic nomination, so the bitter disappointment of his supporters should surprise no one. Clinton's platform advocates more modest reforms than his does. Her personal 'baggage,' moreover, further weakens her appeal to idealistic voters. But this election, realistically, offers a choice only between Clinton and Trump. The latter falls outside the mainstream of American politics, and he embodies values inimical to any decent society; while Clinton at least offers modest reforms, a commitment to American political principles, and a high level of competence. To reject her because she does not embrace Sanders' call for a political revolution, could contribute to the election of Trump.
No supporter of Sanders could rest easy in an America governed by Trump.
The adage, don't let the best become the enemy of the good, applies here. It appears unlikely that the senator will win the Democratic nomination, so the bitter disappointment of his supporters should surprise no one. Clinton's platform advocates more modest reforms than his does. Her personal 'baggage,' moreover, further weakens her appeal to idealistic voters. But this election, realistically, offers a choice only between Clinton and Trump. The latter falls outside the mainstream of American politics, and he embodies values inimical to any decent society; while Clinton at least offers modest reforms, a commitment to American political principles, and a high level of competence. To reject her because she does not embrace Sanders' call for a political revolution, could contribute to the election of Trump.
No supporter of Sanders could rest easy in an America governed by Trump.
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The blaming of Sanders and his supporters for a possible Clinton loss has already begun. At this late date in the primaries she has not yet clinched the nomination even though her opponent is a man who entered the race late and who was unknown to probably half of the voters in the country at the beginning of the campaigns. Now her promised secret weapon is Bill Clinton, he of NAFTA, welfare reform and friend of big bankers, as finance czar. The Clintons, along with the DNC, are as tone deaf as the team of Cruz and Fiorina.
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I don't even see 'modest reforms.' Sorry.
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James, dream on. Supporters of Sanders will stay home. It may be the only way the Democratic establishment will get the message that we are tired of having Republican lite people in the Democratic camp forced unto us. Thanks Debbie Wasserman whatever for Trump.
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Hillary needs to start first with her own party before "reaching out". As to her start as a Goldwater girl and then a Rockefeller republican, the party of goldwater and rockefeller bears no resemblance to the Republican party of today. Moderate Republican is an oxymoron and an anathema to today's Republican part.
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This column talks about her troubled appeal to Republicans. It explains along the way her troubled appeal to Democrats. I could be written for Bernie.
"“My political beliefs are rooted in the conservatism that I was raised with” . . . The Clinton campaign seems to be subtly tapping into her conservative past in the hopes of appealing to anti-Trump Republicans"
"The Republicans who are horrified by Donald Trump’s invective aren’t exactly leaping at the chance to vote for Hillary Clinton, either." [Neither are more liberal Democrats]
“I don’t think there’s any great groundswell of enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton among Republicans, but there’s not a lot of enthusiasm for her among Democrats, either.” [That nailed it.]
"Roughly 84 percent of Republicans view her unfavorably" so perhaps she ought to mend fences with the Democrats who don't like her any better, rather than go all conservative.
My biggest fear with her is that she will continue to do as President what she did as Sec of State, a hawk dragging us into the Long War everywhere.
My second greatest fear is what this column displays, her "political beliefs are rooted in the conservatism that I was raised with" so that she will continue to do as President what she did with Wall Street and donors.
"“My political beliefs are rooted in the conservatism that I was raised with” . . . The Clinton campaign seems to be subtly tapping into her conservative past in the hopes of appealing to anti-Trump Republicans"
"The Republicans who are horrified by Donald Trump’s invective aren’t exactly leaping at the chance to vote for Hillary Clinton, either." [Neither are more liberal Democrats]
“I don’t think there’s any great groundswell of enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton among Republicans, but there’s not a lot of enthusiasm for her among Democrats, either.” [That nailed it.]
"Roughly 84 percent of Republicans view her unfavorably" so perhaps she ought to mend fences with the Democrats who don't like her any better, rather than go all conservative.
My biggest fear with her is that she will continue to do as President what she did as Sec of State, a hawk dragging us into the Long War everywhere.
My second greatest fear is what this column displays, her "political beliefs are rooted in the conservatism that I was raised with" so that she will continue to do as President what she did with Wall Street and donors.
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My biggest fear is Trump is elected.
And how dare we Democrats bemoan the less well-off Republican voters of voting against their self-interest when they vote Republican, when we Democrats seem to waste most our efforts knocking Hillary instead of denouncing Trump?
And how dare we Democrats bemoan the less well-off Republican voters of voting against their self-interest when they vote Republican, when we Democrats seem to waste most our efforts knocking Hillary instead of denouncing Trump?
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Mrs. Clinton cannot "unring" the bell. Democrats must mobilize to get out the vote. Bernie speaks for so many. The young and the poor need to turn out in numbers never before seen or I fear we are headed towards fascism with a Republican "Mussolini."
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I think Berlusconi would be more accurate.
Early in the campaign season I would have compared Trump to Berlusconi also as just a rich buffoon who used the political system to further his own business ventures. I am not aware of violence connected to Berlusconi campaigns. Since then however the violence associated with Trump's followers at his rallies, and beatings carried on in his name by his supporters are growing and I am beginning to lean more toward the Mussolini comparison. And it is probably the biggest reason why I would vote for Clinton, because we do not need to see any more hate crimes in this country..
Hillary mostly has to win over the Independents. We're the largest group.
If I'm faced with a choice of her versus Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for her.
But I wish she would do something about her screechy voice. Geez!
If I'm faced with a choice of her versus Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for her.
But I wish she would do something about her screechy voice. Geez!
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Her 'screechy voice.' Genes are hard to overcome, but I do wonder in that regard why politicians give speeches largely just as they were given prior to the development of public address systems. We can hear you, already -- no need to screech!
The question is not can Hilary win over Republicans but why should she try? They will not vote for her and every gesture she makes toward them will arouse the justified mistrust of her democratic base. (See: Bernie Sanders). This could be the stupidest electoral strategy I have ever heard of. Hilary: consolidate your broad democratic base and then govern on their behalf; we are the majority in this country and deserve the presidency.
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Sander's supporters are really clueless. She's courting white voters in the mid-west who vote both Dem and Repub. The ones who would never, in a million years vote for Sanders, but might vote for her. It's called a general election. Unlike Sander's, she recognizes that the president represents the WHOLE nation. That is why he would be a terrible candidate in the general. His denigration of all things other than ultra liberal would alienate moderates and conservatives.
Hillary ain't cool and there's a whiff of payola around her and Bill, but she's not evil and would be a fine President. The other dude IS evil. Let's be clear about that.
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Until recently, my greatest fear about Hillary was that she would recycle Bill's economic advisers and continue his economic policies (free trade, financial deregulation, hedge fund bailouts, etc.). Now my greatest fear is her brining in the neocons as military advisers.
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Gort your and mine worst fears are coming home to roost:
Max Boot, war hawk is a Clinton supporter. Read this frightening article from Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/09/hard_line_right_wing_war_hawk_max_boot_a...
Max Boot, war hawk is a Clinton supporter. Read this frightening article from Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/09/hard_line_right_wing_war_hawk_max_boot_a...
The young and beautiful co-ed Hillary Rodham, the anti-war student, would never vote for the old military hawk Mrs. Clinton.
Time has not been kind to HRC. Where she once was principled, today she is power-mad and caters to elites. They love her, but the rest of us do not.
Unfortunately, her likely opponent, Trump, is awful.
My hope is that Bernie Sanders runs as an independent.
5/17 @ 6:24 am
Time has not been kind to HRC. Where she once was principled, today she is power-mad and caters to elites. They love her, but the rest of us do not.
Unfortunately, her likely opponent, Trump, is awful.
My hope is that Bernie Sanders runs as an independent.
5/17 @ 6:24 am
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It seems that Hillary was never really principled. She lost her position as a lawyer with the Watergate Committee due to unprincipled tactics. Her tactics as a lawyer defending an accused rapist were hardly those that might appeal to most feminists. OK, so that is what lawyers are paid well to do, defend clients, but the word principled is often not the word used to describe them.
That speech she gave in college was possibly the first sign of her tendency to go where the wind was blowing. Goldwater was out, peace was in and she manufactured her views and speech accordingly. Clinton has a lot of brains, principle does not seem to have ever been a strongpoint.
That speech she gave in college was possibly the first sign of her tendency to go where the wind was blowing. Goldwater was out, peace was in and she manufactured her views and speech accordingly. Clinton has a lot of brains, principle does not seem to have ever been a strongpoint.
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She is not power mad, she just has ambition to be elected president. Male candidates with the same desire are just considered normal.
As for hoping Sanders runs as an independent, you should do some reading about the 2000 election and how we ended up with W. instead of Gore. Fortunately, Sanders is too smart to follow your advice.
As for hoping Sanders runs as an independent, you should do some reading about the 2000 election and how we ended up with W. instead of Gore. Fortunately, Sanders is too smart to follow your advice.
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I cannot do as a single person what needs to be done in order to change the way our system works. You are asking me to vote for Hillary Clinton. She represents and also promises to be what we have now. I believe her.
40 plus years of a Bush or Clinton in power offends me and my sense of reality.
I have almost no other choice than to vote for Trump.
40 plus years of a Bush or Clinton in power offends me and my sense of reality.
I have almost no other choice than to vote for Trump.
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Please reconsider. The next President will potentially appoint as many as 3 new Supreme Court justices. Do you really want a Republican President doing that?
I don't care about Hillary's teenaged enthusiasms as a "Goldwater Girl," and consider that story insignificant (meaning: silly). Hillary has been an active liberal senator and Secretary of State. Check out her record ... after age 18.
Now, I do care about Clinton's current campaign strategies. There's nothing that riles up Bernie supporters more quickly than any report that HRC (Her Royal Clinton?) has pandered to Republicans. So I hope her campaign staff will be very careful when "out-reaching." Most Republicans are grounded in Hillary-hating, it's a sport, they enjoy it, and they do know enough about her policies (pro-gun-control, pro-Obama, pro-civil-rights, pro-woman, pro-LGBT) to confirm their fierce opposition to her. Also, they don't like her outfits or her hair-dos.
But many thoughtful supporters of Bernie Sanders ought to prefer Clinton over Trump and understand the significance of their choice, between these candidates, for the nation. And the importance of their votes.
Let's speak to them.
Now, I do care about Clinton's current campaign strategies. There's nothing that riles up Bernie supporters more quickly than any report that HRC (Her Royal Clinton?) has pandered to Republicans. So I hope her campaign staff will be very careful when "out-reaching." Most Republicans are grounded in Hillary-hating, it's a sport, they enjoy it, and they do know enough about her policies (pro-gun-control, pro-Obama, pro-civil-rights, pro-woman, pro-LGBT) to confirm their fierce opposition to her. Also, they don't like her outfits or her hair-dos.
But many thoughtful supporters of Bernie Sanders ought to prefer Clinton over Trump and understand the significance of their choice, between these candidates, for the nation. And the importance of their votes.
Let's speak to them.
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That would be nice.
How stupid do you think Sanders supporters are?
Do you really think, in the Information Age, it's still possible to say completely different things to different people, and they won't notice it?? Really?
And Hillary supporters wonder why she has a trust problem! Now she's a Goldwater Girl AND and a True Progressive?
Gag me.
Do you really think, in the Information Age, it's still possible to say completely different things to different people, and they won't notice it?? Really?
And Hillary supporters wonder why she has a trust problem! Now she's a Goldwater Girl AND and a True Progressive?
Gag me.
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Last poll I saw was that she would win just 8% of GOP voters. Whoever, in her campaign, acted as if winning republicans was a good idea should be fired. They have been programmed to despise her, they will go to the voting booths to stop her from winning! Their hatred for Obama is intense, but their hatred of HRC knows no bounds. She will get the neocon types who love war and a republican donor or two, but not much else. The republicans didn't unify so quickly because of a perfect candidate, but because of a perfect enemy.
This goes without saying that the great pivot to the right (or left) is the most disgusting thing in our democracy. The most cynical of maneuvers revealing the disdain of the elected to the electorate.
But how much is it needed? We found out this year that it is mostly unnecessary. Independents aren't the stoic moderates establishment types always argued they were. They believe in the economic principles of progressivism, Sanders won independents at an alarming rate, so one would think that HRC would actually make an honest effort to try his platform. But the old games of HRC must be played "I've been accused of being a moderate...guilty", Goldwater girl.
She will eventually realize their is no hope winning conservatives. But when her poll numbers go down, will she make a Pickett's charge to the right, or attempt to win the voters of Sanders with actual plans, beyond cynical? Probably the former.
This goes without saying that the great pivot to the right (or left) is the most disgusting thing in our democracy. The most cynical of maneuvers revealing the disdain of the elected to the electorate.
But how much is it needed? We found out this year that it is mostly unnecessary. Independents aren't the stoic moderates establishment types always argued they were. They believe in the economic principles of progressivism, Sanders won independents at an alarming rate, so one would think that HRC would actually make an honest effort to try his platform. But the old games of HRC must be played "I've been accused of being a moderate...guilty", Goldwater girl.
She will eventually realize their is no hope winning conservatives. But when her poll numbers go down, will she make a Pickett's charge to the right, or attempt to win the voters of Sanders with actual plans, beyond cynical? Probably the former.
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The advisers telling her to go after Republicans are probably the same ones who thought it would be a good idea to announce to the press that Hillary would be getting lessons and coaching on how to be spontaneous.
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Well isn't this rich? After spending a good portion of the last few months ignoring her Goldwater conservative roots, now the NYT decides to use those roots to try to woo Republicans. Any time Sanders' supporters brought up this part of Clinton's political history, they were nay-sayed by the Clinton camp, saying that was in the past, and has nothing to do with her current political views. But now it's fair game? Of course it is, because now it's politically expedient to embrace that past. Ever the triangulation with the Clinton campaign. And you wonder why she's not trusted by the progressive wing of the party?
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Since when did the NYT become part of Clinton's campaign. They have written more hit pieces than any other liberal leaning press. This piece is triangulation on their and your parts, and written by a Sanders fan. It's click-bait to enrage you.
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"past as a Goldwater Girl"
She was about 15 years old at the time.
How is this relevant?
She was about 15 years old at the time.
How is this relevant?
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Well into adulthood she said she was proud to have been a Goldwater girl.
https://youtu.be/WQ52f6Oe6Pw
https://youtu.be/WQ52f6Oe6Pw
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I was 15 when Watergate happened, 17 when 'all the presidents men' came out. Profoundly affected my political position. I have never since trusted any politician.
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So? She was influenced by her parents. This matters now HOW?
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Readers can take what they want from this op-ed. Many commenters see more fodder to attack Hillary Clinton. What I see is evidence of a very intelligent woman, not an ideologue, but an open-minded person, a person willing to consider new information, willing to evolve, to change her perspective and beliefs as facts demand. That is a very progressive characteristic, not a character flaw. How many of us are locked into the same beliefs we held at age 20? If you can answer yes, you are likely a Republican.
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Considering "new beliefs" is not the same as being a flip-flopper.
I don't expect Hillary to still be a Goldwater Girl at 69, because she was one at 20 -- I do expect that a woman in her 60s (2012) knows whether or not she believes in traditional marriage or wants to destroy it for all following generations because of her knee-jerk lefty liberalism and/or fear of the gay mafia.
I don't expect Hillary to still be a Goldwater Girl at 69, because she was one at 20 -- I do expect that a woman in her 60s (2012) knows whether or not she believes in traditional marriage or wants to destroy it for all following generations because of her knee-jerk lefty liberalism and/or fear of the gay mafia.
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I was a Republican until I grew up. Then, I was a Democrat until I threw up.
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I have always been an FDR Dem. Too rigid for you, and too rigid to vote for this Clinton.
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Adhering to ideological purity at the expense of votes will increase the chance that Trump would win, which imperils the entire progressive agenda and accomplishments. Bernie and his supporters are smart, they will not make the mistake of voting for Nader in 2000.
Hillary needs to widen her vote pool, which means to rally the Obama coalition but at the same time add sufficient moderate Republicans to ensure zero chance that Trump could win. That means that Bernie's agenda will not and should not be Hillary's agenda - get over it, beating Trump is more important.
The Republicans who hate Hillary with a passion will not change their vote. But she is really aiming at just 10-20% of the GOP voters, enough to build on what is already an electoral map advantage. Moreover, she wants the GOP's donor base to sit out the Presidential election and not fund Trump.
She should immediately select Condoleeza Rice as VP. Condi is a Democrat on social and domestic issues and has always been a conservative just in foreign policy. She would be more exciting to the Democratic base than most of the other names I have seen floated. But she would also take GOP donors out and put 10-20% of the GOP voters into our column.
The only thing that counts is beating Trump. Hillary-Condi 2016!
Hillary needs to widen her vote pool, which means to rally the Obama coalition but at the same time add sufficient moderate Republicans to ensure zero chance that Trump could win. That means that Bernie's agenda will not and should not be Hillary's agenda - get over it, beating Trump is more important.
The Republicans who hate Hillary with a passion will not change their vote. But she is really aiming at just 10-20% of the GOP voters, enough to build on what is already an electoral map advantage. Moreover, she wants the GOP's donor base to sit out the Presidential election and not fund Trump.
She should immediately select Condoleeza Rice as VP. Condi is a Democrat on social and domestic issues and has always been a conservative just in foreign policy. She would be more exciting to the Democratic base than most of the other names I have seen floated. But she would also take GOP donors out and put 10-20% of the GOP voters into our column.
The only thing that counts is beating Trump. Hillary-Condi 2016!
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Condoleeza Rice is a REPUBLICAN -- where do you get she is a Democrat??? -- she served under Dubya, for cripe's sake. You can't get much more Republican than THAT.
More likely she would be Trump's VP choice -- a smart one -- as she'd defuse all charges of racism & sexism.
More likely she would be Trump's VP choice -- a smart one -- as she'd defuse all charges of racism & sexism.
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Wow, a fake Democrat and a fake Republican running for the highest office. Stuff for a film comedy. Probably not funnier than Trump or Paliin although there is also horror with those two, either singly or combined.
Much as I can't stand Clinton I do plan on voting for her if she is the nominee. However if she were to run with Rice, which I am sure she won't, I wokld stay home on Election Day. Or maybe just go to the polling place and pull the Democratic lever against Toomey. Even if we Sanders people don't really want to vote for Clinton we need to get to the polls and vote for the Congress, Senate and our local politicians.
Much as I can't stand Clinton I do plan on voting for her if she is the nominee. However if she were to run with Rice, which I am sure she won't, I wokld stay home on Election Day. Or maybe just go to the polling place and pull the Democratic lever against Toomey. Even if we Sanders people don't really want to vote for Clinton we need to get to the polls and vote for the Congress, Senate and our local politicians.
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Rice!! Did you want ANY Dems to vote for HRC?
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The Democratic party is moving back to it's FDR roots, and if Clinton moves to the right, she will lose the base. This is what we have been afraid of in this election, Hillary moving to the right like Bill, and I consider Bill the worse Democratic president the party has had in the last 100 years. Hillary needs to solidify her base instead of going after those right wing extremists. the liberals in the party will not tolerate that.
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She needs to go away.
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She is so divisive as a personality. Whatever she really believes or tells us she will be the status quo. There are two thirds of this country that dislike her. She represents us like Trump represents Republicans. Not at all. I will NEVER vote for Billery.
She needs to get out of the way of real progress. She is a log in the stream that has stopped the smaller logs and we build up on her twisted sideways platform of stay the same or worse. We will not be with her ever.
She needs to get out of the way of real progress. She is a log in the stream that has stopped the smaller logs and we build up on her twisted sideways platform of stay the same or worse. We will not be with her ever.
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But she won't.
She is not a liberal on economic or foreign policy issues -- just on social stuff like gay marriage.
You had a chance to get a progressive liberal reformer -- Sanders -- and you blew him off.
So now you are stuck with the Goldwater Girl and her sourpuss husband. I wonder how much of the White House furniture and silver they will make off with THIS time?
She is not a liberal on economic or foreign policy issues -- just on social stuff like gay marriage.
You had a chance to get a progressive liberal reformer -- Sanders -- and you blew him off.
So now you are stuck with the Goldwater Girl and her sourpuss husband. I wonder how much of the White House furniture and silver they will make off with THIS time?
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The real question is can Hillary win over the Democrats? The old context, party vs. party, clashes with the new reality. Disgruntled voters have clearly rejected traditional platforms and the appearances of self and corporate interests. Rightly or wrongly, Hillary has been a victim of appearances, large speaking fees, a sense of entitlement, bitter memories of team Clinton out of office, and personal stonewalling. This year, more than before, appearances matter.
She has not met the resistance to her with a dialogue of engagement. Her vision of American prosperity (job growth/higher wages) lacks new models, instead recycling boondoggle templates of policy and taxes, dull stuff. (I suggest rails! And local investment and partnerships in data center, last mile warehouses, and healthcare REITs.)
Her personal narrative omits an entire chapter of global experience at State. She share no details of speaking truth to power, of seeing common global issues, of how to avoid pitfalls of conflict--terror and economic--going forward, or trends we can partner with.
What will win and inspire Democrats will attract independents and Republicans. National elections are won in the states; politics is local. Virginia/Pennsylvania/Ohio/Michigan/Wisconsin are vital to her success--states count more than Republicans! Avoiding the Obama backlash is also key; without him to blame, she becomes the scapegoat (the GOP's "3rd term.") Her best attack is to compete better. Offer a vision with policy.
She has not met the resistance to her with a dialogue of engagement. Her vision of American prosperity (job growth/higher wages) lacks new models, instead recycling boondoggle templates of policy and taxes, dull stuff. (I suggest rails! And local investment and partnerships in data center, last mile warehouses, and healthcare REITs.)
Her personal narrative omits an entire chapter of global experience at State. She share no details of speaking truth to power, of seeing common global issues, of how to avoid pitfalls of conflict--terror and economic--going forward, or trends we can partner with.
What will win and inspire Democrats will attract independents and Republicans. National elections are won in the states; politics is local. Virginia/Pennsylvania/Ohio/Michigan/Wisconsin are vital to her success--states count more than Republicans! Avoiding the Obama backlash is also key; without him to blame, she becomes the scapegoat (the GOP's "3rd term.") Her best attack is to compete better. Offer a vision with policy.
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"Now she’s the one running for president. The Goldwater Girl chapter is in the past, though it is something the veteran Democratic politician talks about as formative to her political identity. “My political beliefs are rooted in the conservatism that I was raised with,” she said in a 1996 interview."
So the above statement comes from a candidate who claims on the campaign trail that she is a lifelong Democrat in an attempt to subtly bash Sanders who was an Independent before seeking the nomination as a Democrat. The statement also proves she is not a progressive since her conservatives would go against everything a progressive stands for. I think it is more proof Hillary Clinton will say or do anything to pander for votes and get elected.
So the above statement comes from a candidate who claims on the campaign trail that she is a lifelong Democrat in an attempt to subtly bash Sanders who was an Independent before seeking the nomination as a Democrat. The statement also proves she is not a progressive since her conservatives would go against everything a progressive stands for. I think it is more proof Hillary Clinton will say or do anything to pander for votes and get elected.
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Billary means voting for two people, William and Hillary Rodham. And many in the electorate are not keen on continuing a demographic venture in the White House, having seen how disappointing the reign of our ironically colorless chameleon of mixed racial origins for the past 8 years. Billary means voting in Goldman Sachs and Wall Street, and the remnants of the once-mighty middle class are tired of government pandering to the special interests and the wealthy. The alternative is scary but a cynical voter might just elect Trump to see what may happen to entitlement programs, Title VII privileges and the lot. Park Ridge is one of many decaying suburbs ringing Chicago that may have been something when "The Breakfast Club" was filmed there at Maine South High School. But it's becoming overrun with drug gang crime, the occasional homicide and a decline in quality of life. Just like Billary to ask their propagandist press people to hearken back to such a place and hope no one knows what it's really like now.
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Trump will use executive orders (now that Obama has shown the President doesn't have to work with Congress, but can just steamroller them) to undo Title 7 and Title 9, so that once again, we can enjoy privacy in our bathrooms.
Hopefully he will also spearhead a "Truth in Gender" Amendment to the Constitution, so our rights will be protected for future generations. No more lies and delusions about what your "gender" is -- just DNA evidence, and nothing else.
Hopefully he will also spearhead a "Truth in Gender" Amendment to the Constitution, so our rights will be protected for future generations. No more lies and delusions about what your "gender" is -- just DNA evidence, and nothing else.
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Whether Sanderists or Trumpists HRC is perceived by many now as the representative elitist to hate and defeat. Trump's populist appeal clearly has the potential to overwhelm her just as Trump rolled the other 16 primary candidates. It's more than "straws in the wind" that she's field testing "a third Obama term" approach, and while his poll numbers are on the rise and economic conditions continue to improve during Obama's final months, the latest "wedge issue" of bathroom identity politics simply stokes the anti- federal government sentiment.
We've observed Trump as the primary candidate, and as his Republican opponents learned, he will not be easy to beat this fall, no matter what HRC rolls out as an overtly active strategy against him.
We've observed Trump as the primary candidate, and as his Republican opponents learned, he will not be easy to beat this fall, no matter what HRC rolls out as an overtly active strategy against him.
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The only way she will be able to win over Republicans is if she fires here campaign staff.
I am still in shock that she actually announced she would put her husband in charge of the economy. What a bone headed statement to make.
I can hear Trump even now (and he would be correct):
"Did you hear the Hillary admitted she cannot manage the economy? She is appointing someone else to do what she cannot do. When you elect someone, you elect that person. Once again, she is setting someone else up to take the blame for her failure. And do you really want Bill to go out and create jobs for you? Sure, sure, sure. He gets you working so he can stay at home with your daughter."
I am still in shock that she actually announced she would put her husband in charge of the economy. What a bone headed statement to make.
I can hear Trump even now (and he would be correct):
"Did you hear the Hillary admitted she cannot manage the economy? She is appointing someone else to do what she cannot do. When you elect someone, you elect that person. Once again, she is setting someone else up to take the blame for her failure. And do you really want Bill to go out and create jobs for you? Sure, sure, sure. He gets you working so he can stay at home with your daughter."
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She did not say that she will put her husband " in charge of the economy"
But you are right that Trump can misrepresent it that way and the press won't call him out on it.
If there had been another Democratic candidate who said they would have a former Democratic President spearhead a task force focused on bringing jobs to struggling communities, it would be reported as a constructive plan.
In fact, if Trump proposed anyone with any constructive experience at all to spearhead a task force on anything it would be hailed as a positive sign.
But you are right that Trump can misrepresent it that way and the press won't call him out on it.
If there had been another Democratic candidate who said they would have a former Democratic President spearhead a task force focused on bringing jobs to struggling communities, it would be reported as a constructive plan.
In fact, if Trump proposed anyone with any constructive experience at all to spearhead a task force on anything it would be hailed as a positive sign.
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Bill Clinton ran a good economy in the 1990's, leaving us with surpluses, then Bush gave the money away to his rich pals.
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One wonders if his role in her Administration would begin to run afoul of the 22nd Amendment, which limits a Presidency to two terms.
One problem, other than Constitutional, of re-electing someone who served 24 years ago, is that times change, and policies need to change along with them. Would someone today reject and replace their achievements of the past? Or would ego cause those policies to remain in place? Of course, I am specifically thinking of trade policies.
One problem, other than Constitutional, of re-electing someone who served 24 years ago, is that times change, and policies need to change along with them. Would someone today reject and replace their achievements of the past? Or would ego cause those policies to remain in place? Of course, I am specifically thinking of trade policies.
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So, even before getting the nomination, Hillary Clinton is hoping to appeal to "anti-Trump Republicans" and "courting Jeb Bush's donors." And she and her campaign wonder why Sanders' supporters do not trust her to implement any meaningful progressive reforms once she gets elected? Doesn't she realize that "tapping into her conservative past" is the best way to alienate the voters that Sanders has energized? Or is her campaign calculating that they don't need those voters, that her current supporters and a few Republican crossover voters will be enough?
I am starting to get seriously worried about the election in November. If her campaign keeps on like this, the horrifying prospect of Trump being elected seems ever more real...
I am starting to get seriously worried about the election in November. If her campaign keeps on like this, the horrifying prospect of Trump being elected seems ever more real...
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Billary could still pull out a victory in November, if she comes out before then, that is!
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"...the horrifying prospect of Trump being elected seems ever more real..."
Because, quite frankly, of people like yourself. Is Hillary Clinton the embodiment of your every progressive wish? Hardly. Is she a Republican? Not by a long shot. She is, like the current president, an incrementalist. She will further some progressive aims, particularly on the social side, but will likely be somewhat to the right on trade and foreign policy. DEAL WITH IT. You said it yourself, Trump is a "horrifying prospect". He is a colossus of ignorance. Worse still, he is collecting more GOP support than previously thought possible because those folks want to win and if they do they'll be able to push much of their agenda through a Trump administration. Please, I urge you and your fellow Bernie supporters to dial down the incendiary rhetoric and get on board. The stakes are too high.
Because, quite frankly, of people like yourself. Is Hillary Clinton the embodiment of your every progressive wish? Hardly. Is she a Republican? Not by a long shot. She is, like the current president, an incrementalist. She will further some progressive aims, particularly on the social side, but will likely be somewhat to the right on trade and foreign policy. DEAL WITH IT. You said it yourself, Trump is a "horrifying prospect". He is a colossus of ignorance. Worse still, he is collecting more GOP support than previously thought possible because those folks want to win and if they do they'll be able to push much of their agenda through a Trump administration. Please, I urge you and your fellow Bernie supporters to dial down the incendiary rhetoric and get on board. The stakes are too high.
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Annie I will vote for Trump and count on information to keep him honest. His inability to accepting being wrong or seen as anything but on our side will stop him from being the establishment.
I cannot even imagine another 8 years of lies and rich vs poor.
Clinton is the face of the establishment. We have lived over 40 years with a Bush or Clinton. I would rather elect Mike Tyson.
I cannot even imagine another 8 years of lies and rich vs poor.
Clinton is the face of the establishment. We have lived over 40 years with a Bush or Clinton. I would rather elect Mike Tyson.
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She's going to need them as millions of us Sanders voters will not turn out for her. Now I hear unions threatening to show up because a hedge fund manager who is concerned about climate change is a supporter. Really? Really? The "Democratic" Party I'm witnessing right now is nowhere near the real Democratic Party of old. It is unrecognizable, and with the Goldwater Girl at the top of the ticket, it is really a republican party. In any case, it's nothing I can support. Everyone talks about the republican convention devolving into a cluster. I don't think it will compare at all to what will happen at the Dem convention. And, it's all because that pesky Sanders keeps winning! Darn him! Doesn't he know he's supposed to roll over and play obedient lap dog for the establishment? Hasn't he paid attention to the way the "Democratic" Party has worked over the last 8 years? Seriously, if the Dems ignore Sanders and give the nomination to HRC after some arbitrarily set delegate number is reached before all the states have been heard from in the primary, then they deserve to crash and burn this election cycle.
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The unions are balking, not because of a billionaire, but because that billionaire (Steyer) wants to close down mines and throw thousands of miners out of work -- as does Hillary -- with no real plan to find them new jobs.
They know it, we know it -- everyone KNOWS they will be tossed into the streets and that the "help" will consist of maybe an additional year of welfare or UI before they are abandoned to lives of poverty and hopelessness.
Meanwhile, we will become MORE dependent on foreign oil and gas, without the 200 years worth of coal energy locked in the land.
The good part is this will fracture union support for Hillary. She hates working class people -- and they know it.
They know it, we know it -- everyone KNOWS they will be tossed into the streets and that the "help" will consist of maybe an additional year of welfare or UI before they are abandoned to lives of poverty and hopelessness.
Meanwhile, we will become MORE dependent on foreign oil and gas, without the 200 years worth of coal energy locked in the land.
The good part is this will fracture union support for Hillary. She hates working class people -- and they know it.
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Tuna
So you are willing to turn the country over to Donald Trump?
Bernie is great. But as one commenter here said - Trump is evil.
Please reconsider regarding a vote for Hillary should Bernie not get the nomination. She's not perfect, and this latest Bill escapade is just not cool.....but Donald Trump at the helm?
Our country is so more valuable than that.
So you are willing to turn the country over to Donald Trump?
Bernie is great. But as one commenter here said - Trump is evil.
Please reconsider regarding a vote for Hillary should Bernie not get the nomination. She's not perfect, and this latest Bill escapade is just not cool.....but Donald Trump at the helm?
Our country is so more valuable than that.
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Concerned Citizen, what is it that conservatives like you can't understand concerning coal mining jobs? They are going away BECAUSE of market forces, the magic hand that drives are economy according to the capitalistic code. Coal is and has been a dying industry employing fewer and fewer miners every decade for the last 40 years. And now with the wind literally at the back of green energy developments like wind and solar and cheap natural gas and the flat market of electric production in recent years, the dirty coal market has dried up and is moving to the bottom of the pick of energy demand. While Clinton's remarks were harsh sounding, it fits the reality that is now much in evidence for workers in the coal industry.
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Hillary is going to have a harder time with Progressives as she is still a corporatist, NeoLiberal, War Hawk. That is not the party of FDR.
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But FDR was a pro-war politician from an upper-crust New York family. Yes, the New Deal alleviated some of the pressures facing the poor, but that's what it was meant to do, and many historians have claimed that FDR's economic policies were meant to restore the People's faith in capitalism and prevent the United States from swinging toward extremist movements à la fascism and Communism.
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Roosevelt was not pro-war in the manner of Hillary.
We were attacked by Japan and Germany and Italy declared war on us. Hillary has repeatedly supported wars against countries that have neither attacked or declared war upon us- that is hardly the same.
Either Ms Clinton is in the wrong party or the Democratic Party is beyond saving. Like Michelle Alexander- Professor of Law at The Ohio State University- I think trying to reform the Democratic Party is essentially a fool's errand.
I have no doubt that if Ms Clinton fools enough people into electing her that she will rule very differently than she has campaigned. In the triangulating manner of her husband, she has shape shifted during the primaries to blunt the stark contrast between her true positions and his progressive proposals. Already this paper has reported of her schemes to shift to the political right, which is where her heart is.
It is not evil to be conservative, but it is evil to play progressive to dupe people into voting for her.
We were attacked by Japan and Germany and Italy declared war on us. Hillary has repeatedly supported wars against countries that have neither attacked or declared war upon us- that is hardly the same.
Either Ms Clinton is in the wrong party or the Democratic Party is beyond saving. Like Michelle Alexander- Professor of Law at The Ohio State University- I think trying to reform the Democratic Party is essentially a fool's errand.
I have no doubt that if Ms Clinton fools enough people into electing her that she will rule very differently than she has campaigned. In the triangulating manner of her husband, she has shape shifted during the primaries to blunt the stark contrast between her true positions and his progressive proposals. Already this paper has reported of her schemes to shift to the political right, which is where her heart is.
It is not evil to be conservative, but it is evil to play progressive to dupe people into voting for her.
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Actually, David, Franklin Roosevelt was exactly all of the things you just listed: corporatist, neoliberal and war hawk. Of course, FDR was politically more astute than Hillary Clinton, and he never would have taken the country to war just because he believed it was politically advantageous to do so.
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Hillary Clinton cannot even win over Democratic progressives. The only people that come out and truly support her are low info/blind feminists who are only voting for a woman, and older people who have no education or vocabulary and hate the word communist. It is both entertaining and disheartening to watch both parties destroy themselves with corruption and disenfranchisement.
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@Lynn
When Bill put her in charge of health care in 1993, she failed miserably to come up with an acceptable plan and many policy people who watched her said she blew it with secrecy and incompetence. This left people like me unable to buy insurance for another 20+ years until Obama was able to enact some reforms. I don't want to hear how much she's done for women and children. She failed millions of people the very first time she was charged with an important policy - that failure to deal with health care had huge repercussions for decades!
One lesson from this is the Clintons routinely over-estimate themselves. If Bill Clinton had appointed a qualified & experienced person to reform health care policy instead of his inexperienced wife, things might have been different for millions of us left w/o insurance.
When Bill put her in charge of health care in 1993, she failed miserably to come up with an acceptable plan and many policy people who watched her said she blew it with secrecy and incompetence. This left people like me unable to buy insurance for another 20+ years until Obama was able to enact some reforms. I don't want to hear how much she's done for women and children. She failed millions of people the very first time she was charged with an important policy - that failure to deal with health care had huge repercussions for decades!
One lesson from this is the Clintons routinely over-estimate themselves. If Bill Clinton had appointed a qualified & experienced person to reform health care policy instead of his inexperienced wife, things might have been different for millions of us left w/o insurance.
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Steve-I guess I'm one of those low info older women voters you're talking about. I've only phone banked for President Obama, Gov Patrick, McGovern and Neal. I only campaigned and canvassed for Elizabeth Warren and only attended the 3 local campaign events when she was running for senator. I only met Al Franken in her Southbridge office. So, yeah, I guess I'm still politically wet behind the ears. I only worked on the last 4 campaigns for state rep to defeat the tea bagger our district chose to send to Beacon Hill. I worked on the bottle bill and the acid rain project for its duration of 15 years. But again just not politically savvy.
BTW, I also voted for Sanders in the MA primary and sent him contributions but I'm willing to heed Sanders' plea of keeping Trump from the presidency of the United States. Even Sanders see the uphill battle of securing the nomination. If he wins I will vote for him. If he loses I will support Clinton and every other Democrat on the ticket. The nightmare of a Trump presidency is not worth the purity. Sanders effort will have been for nothing if the Democrats lose the WH to Trump. Too bad Sanders most rabid supporters refuse to recognize this. Apparently clinging to stubborn ideology and allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good is all that they care about. They're just as dangerous as Trump supporters and will be just as responsible for the irreparable damage from a Trump presidency. They have their principles to uphold, hell be damned.
BTW, I also voted for Sanders in the MA primary and sent him contributions but I'm willing to heed Sanders' plea of keeping Trump from the presidency of the United States. Even Sanders see the uphill battle of securing the nomination. If he wins I will vote for him. If he loses I will support Clinton and every other Democrat on the ticket. The nightmare of a Trump presidency is not worth the purity. Sanders effort will have been for nothing if the Democrats lose the WH to Trump. Too bad Sanders most rabid supporters refuse to recognize this. Apparently clinging to stubborn ideology and allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good is all that they care about. They're just as dangerous as Trump supporters and will be just as responsible for the irreparable damage from a Trump presidency. They have their principles to uphold, hell be damned.
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Steve, prejudiced much?
In your world view, women are "low info" and "blind" and "older people" have "no education or vocabulary and hate the word communist." Interesting. Not true but that is the way you see things.
So you are a "Bernie or bust" Trump supporter?
In your world view, women are "low info" and "blind" and "older people" have "no education or vocabulary and hate the word communist." Interesting. Not true but that is the way you see things.
So you are a "Bernie or bust" Trump supporter?
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Hillary is going to have a lot of trouble winning over many Democrats too.
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That must be why she has so many votes.
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Can Hillary Clinton, Goldwater Girl, Win Over Republicans??? Not even if Hell freezes over and Pigs sprout butterfly wings...never under any circumstance. This has to be one of the most politically tone deaf editorials I have ever read in the NYT. Republicans are not voting for the Goldwater Girl of 1964. The Hillary of 2016 is someone they hate to their absolute core....and rightly or wrongly have despised for over two decades. Some Republicans are horrified about the rise of Donald Trump but not to the degree they would ever support Hillary....get real.She doesn't even have the trust of young Democrats yet. Work on that. Republican voters are a lost cause.
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But big business and billionaires are more rational. They are used to supporting whoever is in power - or is most likely to win it - to get the maximum influence.
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Hmmm, well OK, but this republican if definitely voting for Clinton. No way in hell I'd ever vote for Trump. I love my country too much.
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It's also a poorly written piece, as are all of Emma Roller's articles. She loves Bernie and appears to have a hard time in covering Clinton honestly. I think it's a purposeful attempt to anger Sander's supporters before the primaries today. BTW it was HRC surrogates, not her campaign, that reached out to Bush donors. I guess the NYT is entitled to its own facts now.
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Big mistake for Hillary: bringing Bill Clinton into her campaign and then announcing Bill Clinton will be part of her White House Economic package.
Why oh why did we ever think she was going to do this on her own, a Hillary presidency? Instead she makes it a "we" instead of a "me" - how naive we were.
The more Donald Trump drives home what a scoundrel Bill was, the more we are reminded how we felt about him. And maybe still do. And now she brings Bill to the forefront? A package deal?
Wrong, Hillary, wrong. There are many out here who do not see Bill as a hero, economic or otherwise. He should have stayed at home in NY. You could have done it without him - like so many other things you've done.
Some women just can't resist the gotta have the man right here temptation. Thought she was above that. Darn!
Why oh why did we ever think she was going to do this on her own, a Hillary presidency? Instead she makes it a "we" instead of a "me" - how naive we were.
The more Donald Trump drives home what a scoundrel Bill was, the more we are reminded how we felt about him. And maybe still do. And now she brings Bill to the forefront? A package deal?
Wrong, Hillary, wrong. There are many out here who do not see Bill as a hero, economic or otherwise. He should have stayed at home in NY. You could have done it without him - like so many other things you've done.
Some women just can't resist the gotta have the man right here temptation. Thought she was above that. Darn!
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How nice. Sexism, plain and simple.
No sound reasoning. Ignoring the practical facts.
Sounds real right-wing to me. Fits too.
No sound reasoning. Ignoring the practical facts.
Sounds real right-wing to me. Fits too.
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slowandeasy: Back in October 2015, after Clinton announced her candidacy, she made the talk show rounds, emphatically stating that she was NOT running for her husband's third term, and NOT running for Obama's third term. Now that it seems politically expedient, she announces that she is putting her husband in charge of restoring the economy! Pointing that out is not sexist, it's just the facts.
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I still remember trying to explain to a child what the cigar was about. Of course Ken Starr and his pornographic report didn't help matters. Personally, I identify Bill as the beginning of "it's okay to lie". Perhaps he should of inhaled.
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The answer here is "no."
Hillary Rodham Clinton remains today essentially the "Goldwater Girl" from 1964. She's not a hawk; she's an eagle. She's comfortable in board rooms and in walled-off, roped-off suites with the glitterati of Wall $treet.
She's not been able to shed what she really is: a "rock-ribbed Republican," as she has proudly described her father. So, what is it that Republicans loathe about her, given that she's quite naturally cut from the same cloth?
She's a global interventionist; she's an entrepreneur and is comfortable around money or the monied; she is less interested in the social contract as it relates to those on the margins; she makes every attempt to be mainstream on the issues of civil rights and race relations but she'll never make the great leap from the textbook to the streets; she is expedient, too readily guided by the prevailing political temperature (Iraq war vote); she's secretive when she thinks no one's looking (private email server)' she's unattractively defensive.
She's got two things going for her: she's *not* Donald Trump and she's familiar (but not folksy). That's not a great endorsement; like most folks, I would greatly like to see a Madame President, but she's got too many sharp edges for me. Still, given the ten-horned beast rising out of the seas of the Right, I'll give her my vote. But I'm not vested in her like I was with Walter Mondale. And remember what happened to him in 1984.
Her work isn't done; she needs help.
Hillary Rodham Clinton remains today essentially the "Goldwater Girl" from 1964. She's not a hawk; she's an eagle. She's comfortable in board rooms and in walled-off, roped-off suites with the glitterati of Wall $treet.
She's not been able to shed what she really is: a "rock-ribbed Republican," as she has proudly described her father. So, what is it that Republicans loathe about her, given that she's quite naturally cut from the same cloth?
She's a global interventionist; she's an entrepreneur and is comfortable around money or the monied; she is less interested in the social contract as it relates to those on the margins; she makes every attempt to be mainstream on the issues of civil rights and race relations but she'll never make the great leap from the textbook to the streets; she is expedient, too readily guided by the prevailing political temperature (Iraq war vote); she's secretive when she thinks no one's looking (private email server)' she's unattractively defensive.
She's got two things going for her: she's *not* Donald Trump and she's familiar (but not folksy). That's not a great endorsement; like most folks, I would greatly like to see a Madame President, but she's got too many sharp edges for me. Still, given the ten-horned beast rising out of the seas of the Right, I'll give her my vote. But I'm not vested in her like I was with Walter Mondale. And remember what happened to him in 1984.
Her work isn't done; she needs help.
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Hillary is an "entrepreneur"????
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@Mike Schumann: Many thanks for pointing this out. I was careless in my editing. She's never been an entrepreneur; I meant what followed: "comfortable around money or the monied." I appreciate your calling me out on this.
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She is the establishment.
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"What the Clinton campaign now is looking towards in a general election is Republican suburban women -- those are the target voters."
--Andrea Mitchell, Meet the Press, March 29, 2016
I don't think that has changed in the past two months. This important point is missing in your article: Clinton is targeting WOMEN, not just Republicans, Republican WOMEN, especially the suburban ones. Trump is especially weak there for a number of reasons (e.g., sexism), but Clinton is focusing on the sense of security and stability that Trump is not providing. Hillary Clinton keeps children safe and snug in their beds while she answers the 3 am phone call. Moms can rest easy knowing that Clinton is getting the job done, but with Trump, well, it's just too big of a risk. Hillary's also a nurturing grandmother to Hispanic children:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abu...
--Andrea Mitchell, Meet the Press, March 29, 2016
I don't think that has changed in the past two months. This important point is missing in your article: Clinton is targeting WOMEN, not just Republicans, Republican WOMEN, especially the suburban ones. Trump is especially weak there for a number of reasons (e.g., sexism), but Clinton is focusing on the sense of security and stability that Trump is not providing. Hillary Clinton keeps children safe and snug in their beds while she answers the 3 am phone call. Moms can rest easy knowing that Clinton is getting the job done, but with Trump, well, it's just too big of a risk. Hillary's also a nurturing grandmother to Hispanic children:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abu...
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Sorry, but Republican women are not even remotely interested in Hillary. If they hate Trump sufficiently, they will stay home -- or write in a protest candidate -- or something, but they won't vote for Hillary.
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Here in flyover country, grandma Clinton is not attracting any suburban Republican women. No Clinton stickers in sight. Either Sanders or Cruz now suck it up and vote Trump.
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@Mike Miller
She isn't even close to closing the deal with progressives and young women! And she's charging ahead already hoping to win over Republican women?
She's deluded.
She isn't even close to closing the deal with progressives and young women! And she's charging ahead already hoping to win over Republican women?
She's deluded.
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1980 called and wants it's election back. Wacko but folksy TV Republican vs negatively viewed Democrat who has already lived in the White House vs hard left choice for idealists.
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Once a Goldwater girl, always a Goldwater girl.
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I do Not See Trump as being any better.
Hillary's genetic based DNA is republican at birth with a conservative streak learned at her daddy's knee.
That daddy's little girl has hidden just beneath the surface the ghost of Barry Goldwater with bombs a ready to solve his country's problems.
Once a Republican, always a Republican!
That daddy's little girl has hidden just beneath the surface the ghost of Barry Goldwater with bombs a ready to solve his country's problems.
Once a Republican, always a Republican!
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Elizabeth Warren was once a Republican too. Smart policy-oriented women who grow up in Republican households switch to the Democratic Party when they figure out which party proposes constructive legislation and which party obstructs it. Reaching out to others to bring them along is a positive act.
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wow. seriously?
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Lynn-"Elizabeth Warren was once a Republican too."
You can type your fingers to the bone on this and it won't matter to the die hard Sanders fans who can't see an iota of difference between Trump and Clinton. I supported Nixon for president in 1968 when I was in 4th grade since he campaigned on ending the Vietnam war. I guess that makes me a dyed in the wool conservative Republican even though I was only 9.
Sanders has implored his supporters to support who ever wins the Democratic nomination but his pleas are falling on deaf ears. Their stubborn "ideology" trumps anything else. If Sanders loses and then Clinton loses the blame can be put at the feet of the obsessed Bernie supporters who are unwilling to admit defeat and unwilling to admit that allowing Trump to become president could possibly lead to the downfall of the USA. They discard Clinton's 8 year senate voting record that shows she was a very progressive senator. As Obama said this isn't a game. The very future of the progressive gains is at stake. Up to 3 SCJ may be named. Trump wants 3 more Scalias. He wants to jail women who have an abortion, no matter the reason. He wants to start a trade war, raise prices of imported goods by 35% but yet is not only opposed to raising the minimum wage but believes that American workers are paid too much. He will do nothing about climate change since it's a Chinese hoax. The damage he will cause will be irreparable. But sit out the vote. I hope the coming horrors are worth it.
You can type your fingers to the bone on this and it won't matter to the die hard Sanders fans who can't see an iota of difference between Trump and Clinton. I supported Nixon for president in 1968 when I was in 4th grade since he campaigned on ending the Vietnam war. I guess that makes me a dyed in the wool conservative Republican even though I was only 9.
Sanders has implored his supporters to support who ever wins the Democratic nomination but his pleas are falling on deaf ears. Their stubborn "ideology" trumps anything else. If Sanders loses and then Clinton loses the blame can be put at the feet of the obsessed Bernie supporters who are unwilling to admit defeat and unwilling to admit that allowing Trump to become president could possibly lead to the downfall of the USA. They discard Clinton's 8 year senate voting record that shows she was a very progressive senator. As Obama said this isn't a game. The very future of the progressive gains is at stake. Up to 3 SCJ may be named. Trump wants 3 more Scalias. He wants to jail women who have an abortion, no matter the reason. He wants to start a trade war, raise prices of imported goods by 35% but yet is not only opposed to raising the minimum wage but believes that American workers are paid too much. He will do nothing about climate change since it's a Chinese hoax. The damage he will cause will be irreparable. But sit out the vote. I hope the coming horrors are worth it.
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I do not believe that winning over enough Republicans is possible, given the depth and breadth of hatred they have for all things Clinton.
Mrs Clinton would be better advised to work to win over Democrats and Independents who lean towards Mr Sanders. That would be a far better bet for success in this ugly election than pandering to the Republicans would ever be.
Mrs Clinton would be better advised to work to win over Democrats and Independents who lean towards Mr Sanders. That would be a far better bet for success in this ugly election than pandering to the Republicans would ever be.
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She doesn't need to do this....just look at Rima Regas. After a year of stumping relentlessly for Bernie and attacking Hillary....she has meekly gotten into line and pledged her undying support for the woman she just attacked mercilessly for MONTHS. She has no dignity! Just bow the head and bend the knee, to the Empress Hillary.
So it is written, so shall it be done.
So it is written, so shall it be done.
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She just wants rich fiscally conservative Republicans who are social issues liberals. I don't think there are as many of those discarded RINOs as there are disgruntled independents and progressive Dems.
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Sadly the Republicans have not given Independents or dissenting Democrats a plausible option in November. Rima Regas may feel, like some others of us, that we have an obligation to take a look at the candidates and vote for the one we think can do the best job. Unfortunately in this election Clinton seems to be that candidate. My own support for Sanders isn't necessarily because I think all of his policies are feasible but more because I don't want to see Climton as the candidate. Against Trimp the polls say Bernie is stronger. Unfortunately we will probably get the second best candidate running against Trump. Since she is still,preferable to him she will get my vote. Those of us who are Over the Hill literally as well as figuratively know that perfection is rarely attained, especially by politicians.,
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One wonders what she says to those Bush Republicans to reassure them that "things will be OK" for them if she is elected.
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It doesn't matter what she says to them. She is still infinitely more principled than the Republicans who are all flocking to embrace Trump whose views seem to change by the hour.
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I think if we were allowed to see the transcripts from the dozens of times she spoke to Wall St institutions, we'd have a good idea as to exactly what she would say.
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Tuna, to channel Bernie, "Forget about the damn transcripts." If you want to know her proposals go to here WEB Site. Here is a small portion:
"Hillary supports ending the “carried interest” loophole, enacting the “Buffett Rule” that ensures no millionaire pays a lower effective tax rate than their secretary, and closing tax loopholes and expenditures that benefit the wealthiest taxpayers to pay for her plan to make college affordable and refinance student debt.
We need an economy where companies plan for the long run and invest in their workers through increased wages and better training—leading to higher productivity, better service, and larger profits. Hillary will revamp the capital gains tax to reward farsighted investments that create jobs.
Boost public investment in infrastructure and scientific research. One of the best ways to drive jobs and improve our nation’s competitiveness is to invest in infrastructure and scientific research. Hillary has called for a national infrastructure bank that would leverage public and private funds to invest in projects across the country. She will call for reform that closes corporate tax loopholes and drives investment here, in the U.S. And she would increase funding for scientific research at agencies like the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation."
"Hillary supports ending the “carried interest” loophole, enacting the “Buffett Rule” that ensures no millionaire pays a lower effective tax rate than their secretary, and closing tax loopholes and expenditures that benefit the wealthiest taxpayers to pay for her plan to make college affordable and refinance student debt.
We need an economy where companies plan for the long run and invest in their workers through increased wages and better training—leading to higher productivity, better service, and larger profits. Hillary will revamp the capital gains tax to reward farsighted investments that create jobs.
Boost public investment in infrastructure and scientific research. One of the best ways to drive jobs and improve our nation’s competitiveness is to invest in infrastructure and scientific research. Hillary has called for a national infrastructure bank that would leverage public and private funds to invest in projects across the country. She will call for reform that closes corporate tax loopholes and drives investment here, in the U.S. And she would increase funding for scientific research at agencies like the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation."
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If the goal is to get Republican women to replace progressive voters and win an election, then, I guess, Hillary's inner Goldwater Girl will hit the spot. But if the goal is healing the rather sizable rift that has opened up within her own party, then she had better grab a hold of that girl and push her down and out before any more damage is done.
http://www.rimaregas.com/2016/05/2016-white-voters-and-racism-in-the-age...
http://www.rimaregas.com/2016/05/2016-white-voters-and-racism-in-the-age...
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When the DNC and Clinton campaign announced that they would tack further to the right to attract republican voters (rather than tack more towards the center and accept some of Sanders' positions in the party platform), I realized that this was yet ANOTHER bad judgment call on HRC's part. When I am asked by her supporters as to why I can't support her, one of my answers is because of her questionable judgment in both domestic and foreign affairs. Now we can add one more bad judgment call to the heap of bad judgment calls. This is just simple reinforcement to people like me that we made the right call in deciding to not support her or the democratic party in general this election cycle. I guess we'll have to throw the baby out with the bathwater this cycle and start over.
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Please note that Max Boot is listed as a confirmed supporter. He is one of the most dangerous neoconservatives since Cecil Rhodes and King Leopold. http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-case-for-american-empire/article/1626
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She did not say that she will tack right. Reporters said that. She has her detailed policy proposals. She is running on that. Read through them and see if you disagree with them
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
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