Barack Obama and Bryan Cranston on the Roles of a Lifetime

May 08, 2016 · 133 comments
Nuschler (anywhere near a marina)
Having both read and listened to President Obama’s first two books (He received Grammys for both Spoken Word books--not for covering Al Green’s “Let’s Stay Together!”) many times, I can’t wait for his book about his two terms!

He is SO intelligent and tells a superb story. I read “Dreams From My Father” published in 1995 simply because I too was from Hawai’i..and wanted to read this autobiography of a kid who went to a rival school-Punahou. Interesting thing--The National Review actually published an article saying that there was no way this African-American could publish such a well written book! Really! Christopher Buckley, William’s only child stated that he thought it must have been Bill “Weatherman” Ayers! Remember the controversy in the 2008 campaign when Caribou Barbie said that Obama was “palling around with terrorists?” Fox News and fringe right were trying to link Ayers and Obama. Both Ayers and Obama said they met ONCE in Ayers’ home and didn’t get along at all. Ayers was WELL left of Obama!

But then we know what the National Review’s founder and editor Wm. F Buckley felt about African-Americans; they just weren’t “cultured enough” to ever make it in our society.

I have read “The Audacity of Hope” numerous times, one of the few books I keep around...but then I give it to someone and buy another.

Yes.I can’t wait for that book to come out. I wish that Philip Galanes could have written a similar column each week with a different person--Cranston is superb!
GreaterMetropolitanArea (NNJ)
I like these articles but it's always a challenge to remember which initials go with whom, especially the interviewer's. I would prefer to see each person's last name spelled out every time. It's the internet...won't cost more for ink or paper.
Cherie (Upstate NY)
While I can still look forward to seeing Cranston as LBJ I am going to feel a huge loss when this president leaves office. I have long said history will prove him one of our best presidents and as he increasingly opens up before his time ends I can only increasingly admire him. Exemplary man, exemplary family, both have endured horrendous unwarranted slings and arrows, yet stand tall with decency, compassion, respect and intelligence. I don't think we will again be this fortunate with a leader of this country.
S. Bliss (Albuquerque)
Wow. Barack Obama as a guy you could have a beer with. The people who support him probably always suspected that he was open, honest, funny, interesting. It's no wonder he didn't want to get a drink with Mitch McConnell. Who would? My guess is he got along much better with John Boehner, though getting anything done was a different story.

Having Fox News, hate radio, and Republicans constantly complaining and blaming him has to take a toll. As with all presidents, the before and after pictures show the incredible pressure they are under. It's amazing to see Obama deadpan his way through Between Two Ferns and sing Amazing Grace. You know he's the only president that could do those two things and have both of them be just about right.

As the end of his term nears, he's getting pretty comfortable about showing us who he is. I know I'll miss him when he's gone.
Nuschler (anywhere near a marina)
Good comment about Obama NEVER wanting to have had a drink with McConnell. Who would?

I liked this comment by President Obama: "The cultural touch points that shaped you are the same ones that shaped me. And the fact that that was true until I was 45 probably differentiates me from most presidents. For somebody like L.B.J., who fastened onto a political career early, it probably changed the way he experienced culture and presented himself.”

In 2008, Caribou Barbie went after Obama for not having political experience--“just” a community organizer! Not a former mayor of a tiny town and 1/2 of a term for governor of Alaska until Fox News and its money came a callin’ for Bible Spice.

Now, the push is on for an “outsider.” Someone who didn’t spend his whole life in politics (See: Paul Ryan)and actually had a real job in the private sector--giving up a high paying job in a Chicago white shoes law firm. And learning his organizing skills in a very poor South Chicago neighborhood taught him that there are a LOT of good people who happen to be poor NOT because of some inherent laziness, but the situation they were born into.

It’s difficult to believe that Obama and Trump are even the same species of humanity after reading this column and everything else I have read about him.

I’m so glad I met him in 2005 at a Dem fundraiser in Honolulu. I practiced saying his name before meeting this brand-new junior US Senator from Illinois. And he spoke Hawai’ian pidgin with great élan!
Kathleen Parr (Portland, Maine)
I would also pick this moment in history to live, because Barack Obama is my president. It was an honor to vote for him, affirmatively, enthusiastically, and I'm sad to be returning to electoral business as usual--choosing between the lesser of two evils. Thank you for your service and leadership, Mr. President, and thanks to your whole family. Happy Mother's Day, Michelle and Marian!
Nuschler (anywhere near a marina)
Oh puh-leaze!
In an article about Obama you STILL found a way to throw significant shade on Hillary Clinton??

Mrs. Clinton has been in the spotlight for 30 years starting as First Lady of Arkansas. She was never the outgoing politician that her husband was..and she actually gave up a life that SHE wanted. It probably has been VERY difficult to be married to Bubba. But she handled his affairs with more grace than either you or I could have mustered!

Mrs. Clinton is an intelligent woman who has worked very hard in her career championing the rights of women and children around the world. She was chosen by Obama to be the Secretary of State attempting to pick up the pieces of a world torn asunder by the tag team of Bush and Cheney. And you can nitpick all you want--but we did NOT start another war and are winding down these two.

For 30 years the GOP and sometimes seemingly everyone has thrown mud on this woman. Our misogynistic country has tried to tear her apart from Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi to her somehow being responsible for her husband’s philandering ways.

Women have it VERY tough in our “enlightened” (HA!) country. She WILL be our next POTUS. It’s time to quit playing a harpy! Let’s be thrilled that after a bi-racial POTUS (Geez--he IS the best!--we SO LUCKED OUT!!) we will FINALLY be getting a smart, quite wonderful woman as POTUS!

CLINTON 2016!! Remember to vote!
Ramesh G (California)
Thank you , Barry ) - the greatest man of my generation. thank you Walter White, Thank you Bryan, the greatest actor of my generations, for this - from a son of a father and mother (I wont say more) and the father of a daughter and son ( i cant say more)
Nuschler (anywhere near a marina)
Thank you “Barry?” Is this some strange joke?

Barack Obama is the man’s name. Calling him “Barry” is incredibly crude and bizarre. This MAN is the leader of the free world. Give him the respect he has earned.
Roger Stetter (New Orleans)
A great interview of two rock stars -- one a politician who rose to the presidency with his red, white and blue speech, the other to artistic fame bu his brilliant portrayal of a high school cheemistry teacher turned meth cook . Their storytelling has had a profoundly good impact on the world. President Obama needn't worry, his legacy is rock solid.
Li'l Lil (Houston)
I can't get past this photo which has the scroll of the mirror appearing as if it is emanating from Cranston's upper lip like an elephant's trunk. Are there are photo editors that view this before publishing?
SNA (Westfield, N.J.)
That Obama worried most about what kind of impact his new job would have on his daughters when he was elected president speaks volumes about who he is: he is a good man and history will record that. While Larry Wilmore comments on the "unblackening" of the White House, I worry about the "de-classinessfy" of the White House. The whole Obama family has brought and maintained a dignity to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that we are not likely to see again for a long time. I just hope that Hillary has the good sense to nominate BO to the Supreme Court. I hope that Justice Ginsburg is on the bench for a long, long time, but what a fitting replacement the President would be.
I. Fujimoto (California)
It was his wife Michelle who worried about their daughters. She it was who'd already given up her own double Ivy League fueled professional dreams to be the hands-on, fully-present parent since her husband was too busy chasing his political ambitions. She was already frustratingly bearing the entire burden of parenting and home, and she insisted that they must first think through how a presidential run would affect their daughters, their marriage and their family before she gave her blessing. She has sacrificed everything to protect their daughters and to ensure that their childhoods are as normal as it is full, fulfilling, stable and complete. Why do we dismiss a great wife and mother who has done it right, while we celebrate and praise a mostly selfish husband and father for making a few comments that allude to caring about his kids. At some point we have to stop giving President Obama credit for the many great and selfless decisions and sacrifices his equally smart and capable, long-suffering, completely wise and grounded wife has made on his behalf and for his political career - and for their children, their marriage and family. It is Michelle who's the real hero in all of this. Their daughters have turned out well first and foremost, because of her and her selfless sacrifice and investment in them. They are fortunate to have her as their mother - and President Obama is even more fortunate to have married a woman of her caliber - strength of character and integrity.
Jack Cain (Oregon)
While your comments about Michelle Obama are spot on, is it possible that Barack and her worked on this together? In my opinion at least, having a wife and mother of the caliber of a Mrs. Obama doesn't automatically make a Mr. Obama selfish.

Maybe Michelle understands that one of the best ways to make a better world for your children is to have a seat at the table where those decisions are made. I know I want to read that book if (when) she writes it.
Libiszowski (NY)
Maybe she'll run next time round.
hart (tehachapi california)
After sixteen years of dedicated effort to remain current with both sides of the issues, I've concluded that there are very few independent thinking people left in America these days.

Both conservatives and liberals discuss the exact same subjects. They report the same messy facts as well. However, what TV and radio shows and newspapers people listen to, or read, determines what they think and believe.

Whether we are a conservative or a liberal is irrelevant. Our thoughts are formed by the newspaper we read, the people we listen to on our way to work every morning and the people we watch on TV every night. If we are conservatives we believe Benghazi was a criminal conspiracy. If we are liberals, we believe Benghazi was a tragedy. And on and on it goes.

Most of us have never read a single piece of legislation, a report or any other document. Instead, we believe whatever our trusted "media" person to tell us it says, and what it will do for, or to us.

We, the people are puppets; the media speaks and we dutifully obey them. If Sean Hannity is upset, we are upset. If Rachel Maddow is upset, we are upset. If Rush Limbaugh likes Trump, so do we. If Chris whats-his-name likes Sanders, so do we. If Paul Ryan says we need to cut taxes, we agree. If Harry Reed says we need to increase taxes on the rich, we agree.

This interview offers a conversation between three independent-minded men and I find that refreshing.
Boo (East Lansing Michigan)
What a classy man! Thank you, Mr. Obama. Thank you, Mr. President!
MIMA (heartsny)
When I read these pre-farewell articles, selfishly, I can only feel heartsick Barack Obama and his family, you too, Mrs. Robinson, will be leaving the White House....the country's White House, the people's White House.

Having been in the White House (family tours year ago) I feel a great reverence for the place and have so enjoyed knowing the place was "leased" to what I consider one of the, if not the, greatest presidents and his family, in my lifetime, President Obama. It so saddens me to know next year at this time that family won't be there. Probably not so sad for them, though, so we need to think of that perspective, too.

So more than mourn, like I feel like doing, this is an opportunity to say from the bottom of the heart - thank you, President Obama, thank you Michelle and daughters, and you, too, Mrs. Robinson. Thank you for giving up those years which could have been so different for you, private, "normal", uncrticized by the critical. Thank you for giving up your freedom, so to speak, and instead being the true public servants you are.

The article is about the president. But it's Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day Michelle, Mrs. Robinson, and let us pay tribute to the president's mother and grandmother. They would be proud, so proud. As are we.
SNA (Westfield, N.J.)
That Obama's biggest concern when he was elected president was how his new job would affect his daughters speaks volumes about him. He is a good man and history will treat him as such. Larry Wilmore laments the unblackening of the White House; I lament the "unclassiness" of the White House. The entire Obama family has lent a dignity to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that we are unlikely to see again for a long time. Hope Hillary is smart enought to put BO on the Supreme Court
Blue Heron (Philadelphia)
Best "Table for Three" in ages! Intelligent, insightful, provocative: a real conversation between three smart, articulate and grounded people rather than an interview among talking heads celebrating celebrity. Arguably one of the most informative about President Obama to be found in the NYT in years. All three participants here demonstrably contributed to the resultant engaging, authentic dialogue. And what a great bonus to celebrate Mother's Day by giving fathers a compelling voice, too. Great template/benchmark for all "Table for Three" features to follow going forward.
Sally (NYC)
I wish Obama could run for a third term. I guess the 2 term limit is a mercy rule for republicans.
Slann (CA)
All the LBJ reverence is sickening. He KNEW JFK was to be assassinated, as he told his mistress the night before. The morning after the assassination, he personally ordered JFK's limo immediately shipped back to Ford to be rebuilt, thus eliminating ANY forensic evidence it contained, and photos show at least one bullet hit on the inside front windshield.
The phony Gulf of Tonkin "attack" was on his watch, as was the huge Vietnam buildup.
He doesn't deserve our respect. We should be ashamed he became our president.
Cheryl (Yorktown Heights)
A special note for Philip Galanes, who usually provides gently handled, ethical advice on common social dilemmas, and brought his light but informed touch to this interview.
Max Rotermund (Alexandria, Va)
Yes, it is sad that Trump's thoughts at the end of his administration would be as insightful as Obama's. Reality is that Hillary Clinton's thoughts at the end of her administration are not likely to be similarly insightful as Obama's. Obama just does not seem to have the need to be the top cat as they do.

Obama will grow in history as Eisenhower has done.
bob rivers (nyc)
8 months to go, and it cannot arrive soon enough.

While BO might be a personable individual, his political sense and positions are atrocious. I find it hilarious that he complains about how polemic and extreme the positions have become, but his methods - executive orders to grant five million illegals the right to work - and the 2 party system have greatly contributed to this rigid, polarized structure.

The left/liberals refused to accept anything but a path to citizenship or amnesty for illegals, and all those opposed to this atrocity they have described as "racists."

How exactly did that contribute to making the conversation a rational one where opposing, very legitimate opinions could be discussed?

The democrats have consistently refused to accept any input from American middle class workers, that this mass illegal immigration was damaging their family's ability to put food on the table, and that the H1B jobs theft program is not good for the american worker.

If one is going to complain that the political environment is no longer congenial, that compromise is no longer acceptable, then one needs to look at their own behavior before criticising the other side for it.
Raymond Sullivan (Georgia)
You talk about "making the conversation a rational one where opposing, very legitimate opinions could be discussed". How "rational" has the Republican Congress been during President Obama's entire 8 years? With their avowed aim to fight him every step of the way since the beginning of his first term. Yes, you're right in saying that the political environment is "no longer congenial", and compromise is "no longer acceptable". But, if I may use a biblical reference, I feel that you are pointing to the speck in someone else's eye, and ignoring the beam in your own eye. You refer to "BO" (which is disrespectful to begin with), and call both his positions "atrocious" (not much "compromise" in that word), and his political sense "atrocious" (you mean the one that helped him get elected President twice?)
Robert Schwebel (Anchorage, Alaska)
The political atmosphere was poisoned by a Republican refusal to deal with the Obama administration. Obama's executive orders followed this great period of inactivity. "Top goal, to make Obama a one-term President" said Mitch McConnell, one of those most responsible for the current failure in American governance.
Obama has been a good President. We got him when we needed him. He accomplished much dealing with what can only be described as racist intransigence on the part of the Republican Party. They should be ashamed and their current debacle in the primaries is their own chickens coming home to roost.
sunburst68 (New Orleans)
Bob, Republicans with the help of Fox News, Rush, the insane Glenn Beck have done nothing but obstruct everything Obama has tried to do. "We will make him a one term President. This will be Obama's Waterloo. I hope he fails." And there were 12 million illegal immigrants when Obama took office. Left over from Bush and a worthless bunch in the other branches of government.
Thank God Obama kept his cool and got good things done.
Nick (Brooklyn)
Yes, Obama is one of the best presidents this country has ever had, and he is going to be missed. I wish he could run for a third term, which he would win easily, given the current state of candidates.

It has been so uplifting to move on from the Bush era, and finally have a president we can be proud of, but what's next? It's a pity that this great country has these uninspiring options to choose from.
Jack Cain (Oregon)
...which is our own fault. I am just as guilty of resting after the Obama presidency as anyone, and I did nothing to develop more talent for the political pipeline. Now, my fellow Americans have to express their anger by gathering under someone who was laughed at 8 years ago.
cmahnke (northern Iowa)
Wonderful interview!
TyroneShoelaces (Hillsboro, Oregon)
Double your normal dose of Ginkgo Biloba, shut the door, turn out the lights, bring all your powers of concentration to bear and see if you can imagine George W. Bush having this conversation.
JA (MI)
or worse, donald trump, who makes GWB seem intellectual.
David (California)
This conversation just scrapes the surface of what an amazing mind President Obama has at his disposal. Displaying wit, humor, intelligence and grace, all at the same time, his comments bear reading and re-reading. As a country, we are truly blessed to have witnessed the emergence of such an extraordinary man and his family, willing to sacrifice much for greater good of us all. The fact that we are speaking of him with such reverence, even though he has more than 8 more months in office, speaks volumes. Thank you.
Souvik (New York)
That quote referenced by Barack Obama, “Every man is either trying to live up to his father’s expectations or make up for his father’s mistakes," is originally by Oscar Wilde in the unabridged version of "The Picture of Dorian Gray." It's an amazing insight into human nature that had an immediate effect on me. I find it very interesting that Barack Obama also thinks it's interesting even though he only met his father once.
Darchitect (N.J.)
His greatness will first be understood after he leaves office....Think of the things that could have been accomplished by him in these last several years if not for the foul way he was treated by Republicans... He will go on to do important things and we will remember that we shared the time of his presidency....
Horst Vollmann (Myrtle Beach, SC)
The Presidency of Mr. Obama will have been an inspiration to all those of us who treasure civility, feel an abiding compassion for our fellow men and have the capacity to forgive misguided hatred that grows on the fields of intolerance and a thorough lack of education.

He may not like such encomiums but I see in him an exemplary and sagacious figure who will find a permanent and greatly honored place in the history book of America. Future generations will proudly look upon him as one of the brightest and most dignified Presidents who ever occupied the White House.
S.S.F. (venedig)
How the world will miss this great man!
Allison (Sausalito, Calif)
Thank you for this. President Obama's insights and accessibility are like waters that I could drink all day long.
David X (new haven ct)
Mr. President, I feel uncomfortable referring to you as BO. You always appear so crisp and trim! And Brian with hair isn't so scary after all.

The things I've always most felt when seeing a photo of you, President Obama, is your intellect, and given this, what must have been a conscious decision to maintain your humility. You won the prize, one might say, that others are now seeking: but if it changed you, it changed you for the better.

I join the many others here in thanking you for being a great leader. You wouldn't ask me to agree with every decision you've made, but it's easy for me to say that I believe that all your decisions were intended to benefit others. Sanity, generous spirit, work ethic, capability: I pray (secular in my case) your example will be kept in mind by our next president. After all, you offered her, and she had the humility and strength to accept, a great job, providing great experience for her next job.

Barack (if I may, being in my 70s), please stay close. President Carter is still a gigantic positive influence for the USA and for the world. America still needs people like you. Like you? America still needs you.
JN (Everywheresville)
A very creative connecting of 3 great minds; just wish there was a video made of it. Of all the endearing qualities of this President, I think the one I'll miss the most is his wistful doting on his daughters. Having two myself, I also become sentimental when I read of how he views his daughters' maturing process and what he and Michelle try to accomplish in their parenting. I think I'm even more intrigued to see how this is done through the lens of a man in his position. I'm glad BC was involved to bring this out in the interview--maybe he'll be involved in the Obama biopic someday?
Srini (Bengaluru)
Srini' wife anu-
Such a lovely interview! I binge watched (if it can be called that) BB and cried for Cranston. We have two daughters and when I hear my president talk about daughters and family , it could be be me having a conversation. The piece about fathers rang true, reflecting my husband:'s struggles on the home front. I am afraid to think of the next 9 months the nastiness the ridiculous mess. I will miss my president
John S (Tacoma)
I am not familiar with the works of Galanes or Cranston, other than I know Cranston is a commercially successful TV actor, but Obama's comments are interesting. There is a air of intimacy to the conversation, but of course they all know they're "on stage"and being recorded, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. They're all talking to the camera.
Nevertheless, Obama hit the nail on the head when he said, "There’s power in nostalgia, but the fact is the world is wealthier, healthier, better educated, less violent, more tolerant, more socially conscious and more attentive to the vulnerable than it has ever been. " I often remind young people and sometimes my peers about this very fact whenever they start getting into how screwed up America or the world is.
We live at amazing period in human history. There is no time or place in history that I would choose over the present. So far, this as good as it gets.
Naomi Fein (New York City)
A bit of info: Galanes writes a wonderful, insightful, witty advice column for each Sunday's style section in the Times, as well as occasional get-togethers like this one. He is why I read the style section.
SouthernVermontTeacher (Putney, Vermont)
So true! He has a most amazing way of empathizing with people who write to him asking for help with others in their lives -- and then, with gentle good humor, he shows them a way to deal with those others with empathy and kindness. In this article, he is both modest and totally present with his interviewees.
JA (MI)
Nice get Mr. Galanes!

Very enjoyable but a little sad that the presumptive R nominee wouldn't even be able to read these words let alone have those nuanced thoughts and conversations.
jazz one (wisconsin)
Gosh, the future 4 or 8 years will be a LOT less insightful, thoughtful, intelligent and rational than this.
I sense he's ready to move on, but a 3rd term for the rest of us would have been welcome.
S.D.Keith (Birmigham, AL)
It's the sort of blurring of popular and political culture represented in this article that led to the rise of Donald Trump.

But hey, the President seems like a mensch. I'd have a beer with him. But I bet Trump wouldn't be much different, if he was in his last months in office. Except for the beer. It's hard to trust a man who won't drink a beer.
Ed (Dallas, TX)
His brother died of alcoholism, which has a hereditary streak.
hamnerp43 (Virginia)
Such a decent, civil, ...and funny man. Our country is going to miss him. And his family.
Michelle (San Rafael)
We have been so lucky to have this man as our President. His maturity, compassion, intelligence and humanity will be sorely missed. I am going to wistfully savor every last day remaining in his presidency. Thank you for your service Mr. Obama!
David (Portland, OR)
Two of my favorite celebrities and people ... such a nice blend of achievement, thoughtfulness, modesty, and humility that's so lacking in these days ...
futbolistaviva (San Francisco)
Great piece. Cranston's a great actor and President Obama is the smartest politician we have ever had. And yes he has his flaws like any human being.

The most salient point in this piece is the President's statement that he would not vote for the Obama as defined by Fox News.

It is so sad that Fox's News propaganda led by Nixon acolyte Roger AIles, has been lapped up like a warm bowl of milk by the willfully uninformed and non- critical thinking Faux News's viewers.

They deserve Trump. The GOP has just anointed a New York liberal Democrat as their choice to run against the Democratic party.

Only in America.
Bun Mam (Oakland)
It has been jarring to witness our choices in the current election while contemplating Obama's final seven months and reflecting on the last seven years of this profoundly graceful presidency. I miss him already and he hasn't even left the building, yet.
A volunteer firefighter (Stirling, New Jersey)
With the problems this country has (just look around you, from crumbling infrastructure, to the economic health of family and friends, to drug problems caused by DOCTORS, etc, etc...) I don't want to believe that MEETING WITH AN ACTOR is actually on the White House agenda (and nothing against actors, but really?). This guy has been on a permanent vacation during a critical time in this country's history (golf anyone?). It's a disgrace. I really, really just want to scream. And for all of you showering him with accolades... for shame!
James Wilson (Colorado)
President Obama has done quite a bit and has suggested that Congress do more.
1. Obama has been right on the need to address drug addiction. Has our Volunteer Firefighter been trained on Naxolone? Or does he agree with Gov LePage that it is a waste of time to save addicts' lives?
2. Obama has been right on the need to address climate change. Does our Volunteer Firefighter think that Ft. McMurry is never coming to Stirling or that global warming is not caused by humans or that it does not impact wildfires?
3. The President has been right on the need to review the use of lethal force by our police. Better procedures do save lives. Or does our Volunteer Firefighter know the best way to deal with the mentally ill who often appear threatening?
4. The President has been right about the need to better screen those who buy guns. The anti-Planned Parenthood crowd found it easy enough to whip-up the nuts and send them to clinics with long guns to kill patients and providers and responding cops. Will our Volunteer Fireman answer a call to a clinic when someone like Mr. Deer might be lurking in the parking lot to make sure that no one saves lives of folks inside?
5. The President knows that racism reaches into the next generations. Does our Volunteer Fireman think that he lost out to people lacking talent but having affirmative action?
6. The President knows that it is wrong to deny health care to15% of our population. Has our Volunteer Fireman signed up for Obamacare?
Etc.
David Cornelson (Carol Stream/IL)
Ronald Reagan was an actor. That has nothing to do with anything. Bryan Cranston is an articulate, intelligent man. That our president takes time to meet with many such people is a testament to his humility and strength of character.

Vacation Days: Obama ~90. Reagan ~175. G.W. Bush ~400.

The country does have problems, but we are all responsible. Obama by himself cannot fix all of them. He needs everyone in congress to work with him and not sit on their hands and just say "no" to everything. There will always be differences. The idea that one party should always win is ludicrous. This is the nature of the 80 or so congressional tea party members. They proudly serve to do nothing. Yet they take a paycheck home. No other job on the planet pays for inaction.

Your frustration is misplaced. Start screaming at the right people.
A volunteer firefighter (Stirling, New Jersey)
James:
1: No. No.
2: Don't know - not a scientist/meteroligist -i guess you must be.
3: My guess is that I have more experience with dealing with people with mental illness than I'd ever wish upon you or anyone.
4: I'd like to think I would, but the police probably wouldn't let me.
5: No - my job was outsourced to India
6: Don't have a problem with health insurance for all Americans - did I say that I did? I just have a problem with his priorities.

And David - neither Bush nor Reagan sat with a miserable dictator at a baseball game during an international crisis.
Iver Thompson (Pasadena, CA)
Why even leave office before starting his next gig? As a perennial You-tube view, staged sit-com skits between him and Joe, Obama has pretty much polished his show-biz chops well before he's even left office. For him anyway, I'm sure it promises to be a smooth transition.
June (New York)
I was so happy to see that this story was authored by Philip Galanes. Great story, I love our SocialQ column.
pintoks (austin)
Man, I'm gonna miss Obama.
JL (LA)
Recently Michelle Obama guest starred on a television drama series.
Yesterday Michelle and Barack were dancing with Star Wars characters.
Today it's something else to do with Hollywood.
Can anyone ever recall a President and his wife's with lives so intertwined?
Or a reality TV star as a Presidential candidate?
There seems to be an increasingly thin line between reality and fiction in politics today. I'm guessing it started with the actor Ronald Reagan.
Only in America. I find it all un-Presidential.
Red Lion (Europe)
Yes, I certainly miss the drunken crooked Nixon wandering around the White House alone, screaming at portraits.

Good times.
James R Dupak (New York)
When you think of the responsibilities of the POTUS as never ending and probably--at least it should be--always urgent, this is a president that has spent his time in the limelight, and had time to reflect and convivially relax with celebrities of all types. That is all well and good; but it does make me wonder, what could have been done if we had a president who was passionate about being a president rather than about being a celebrity. This just feels like a president from a middle-class background giving it the old middle-class commitment. Ambitious, but only just enough....
Mary Elizabeth (Boston)
It is unfortunate that you are unable to see all that President Obama has done for the common good and see only the caricature right wing media has contrived. You have missed experiencing the Presidency a man of of uncommon decency, intellect, and accomplishment despite great contempt and obstructionism. He has led with a steady hand through a difficult time. I am proud that Barack Obama is our President.
njglea (Seattle)
Thank you for a wonderful interview, Mr. Galanes, especially for including the fabulous photo of President Obama in full smile. THAT is what I'll always remember - that he could always find a path for optimism and laughter. This article reminds me, once again, why I voted for him twice. He and his family will be gifts to the world for many years to come. Bravo, President Obama!
Marilyn Wise (Los Angeles)
I'm glad the President still seems to have all his marbles.
Paul (Bradley)
Even these comments reflect how split our society.

Where will we find the people who can work through their differences and get the job done for the people of this country?

Eight years of Ms. Clinton or Mr. Trump will only widen the divide.

We the people need to ignore the way Washington acts and become involved in our local towns and let "our leaders" see what happens when good people come together to overcome their differences.
MM (UK)
Obama to me has always been and will remain a source of inspiration, optimism and hope. In the midst of so much noise, complexity and negativity, I have found he has brought clarity through its intelligence, modesty, values and genuine commitment to the people. Being a great man is also what makes him a great President. I am grateful for all he has done during his Presidency, will miss him beyond words, and hope he remains in one way or the other in a public role. THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA.
HapinOregon (Southwest corner of Oregon)
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
Coach John Wooden

I applaud President Obama's character...
I. Fujimoto (California)
But can you really distinguish between character and reputation in this regard. There's a well-oiled P.R machine behind all of this. It's all manufactured. That a man talks a good talk, does not necessarily mean that it is, that he does, or that he is actually what he says he is.. As some wise people have often wisely reminded us, a perfected narcissist could as easily bamboozle.
Abdel Russell (New York)
Reading this interview, made me feel like I was right-there with these amazing people. Even if you don't like any of these guys, their conversation takes you away from the current campaign and politics altogether. Awesome interview!
Cathleen (Virginia)
The President's optimism and his ability to encapsulate what makes America great is why he will be remembered long after his opponents leave the public realm. It is what drew voters to him in the beginning and what keeps most, like me, still with him. Thanks, Mr. President, for pulling our collective vision out of the well of post-9/11 and Iraq War despair and into the future. You may have not accomplished all you wish for us but you have served with dignity and honor.
TBW2 (Boston)
Oh how I will miss having Barack Obama as the president of us all.
nuevoretro (California)
Fantastic. Mr. Cranston is hysterical as LBJ. One of the finest American actors in my lifetime.
D. Moore (Memphis, TN)
I'm pretty conservative but I like Obama and will definitely miss him when we have Hillary. She's so much more mechanical and conniving than him. Hope the best for him and his family.
Roberto21 (Horsham PA)
The story worth telling is of an inclusive president inviting a talented actor in to the people's house to share in a sense of history's progression and regression, it's stops and starts.

Our drama includes the actors, LBJ, and his 1963 landmark voting rights law, tearing down poll taxes and other discriminations, meant to disenfranchise African Americans, and the actors of political party, under the tutelage of Barry Goldwater, bent on halting such progress.

Starts and stops continue with voter suppression on the books in several states, making voting more difficult. Despite Presidents Johnson and Obama understanding of Dr. Kings's sage advice that "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice", progress seems slow and the natural inclination is of impatience, confusion and messy chaotic times.

Stay attuned, because the story is being written now by a man, nurtured by a single parent, who knows a thing or two of familial deprivation and has set himself to try to make the country whole, or at least, less divided.

His legacy is threatened my another actor, a divider, Mr. Trump, and we're in the crossroads of progress or regress. The story continues...
Frank López (Yonkers)
As a father of young children it is refreshing to read this story. Yes, it is difficult when daily life obligations, but hey, you owe it to your children to do your best. That the president and Brian did it is just that, good examples.
Sushirrito (San Francisco, CA)
I agree with you. I was proud to have Obama elected as our president; I had just started a family and it was refreshing to see somebody in office who represented more of my experience.
Burroughs (Western Lands)
Obama has made few friends among world leaders. After all they're peers and, whether allies or opponents, there's business and bargaining to do. That's not his thing. But whenever a celebrity is around, it's a different story. They come to meet the celebrity in chief and he is very pleased and the celebrity is very honored. And the president has made another friend. Is there any doubt what the post presidency will be like?
Mike (Washington, DC)
Insightful conversation - the transcript exudes intelligence from all sides. Can't wait for the show! Makes me wonder about the stream of non-answers from Donald Trump (and his nuky-lers).
N. Flood (New York, NY)
I love this article. Please give us more.
Ray Russ (Palo Alto, CA)
The conversation only serves to reaffirm what I've always believed from the start. That Barack Obama was the best person for the hardest job at the worst time in this new century after 9/11. And though I've disagreed with him many times for myriad reasons he remains my president and one that I remain proud of. I'm also of the belief that like his predecessor Jimmy Carter, Obama's best days still remain in front of him.

As his days as Chief Executive wane I too would like to give thanks and appreciation to both him and his wife for reflecting the better natures of this great country of ours.
Shishir (Bellevue WA)
Unfortunately for Carter, he was remembered for a number of negative things. The last one being the Iran Embassy takeover and the failed rescue attempt. Obama will have had a successful presidency and hopefully an active post-presidency. Jimmy Carter found a great set of causes. Depends on what Obama decides to do.
RCT (NYC)
Fact-based world commenter keeps posting comments rebutting the fantastical, false contentions of Obama haters, and that's getting pretty time-consuming and frustrating. Therefore, I'm just going to post links. Here is a link to a White House website listing legislation signed by the President thus far:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation

We will miss you - a lot - President Obama. Yout story will not be told by the haters, but rather by those who have benefited from your achievements, and historians who know the difference between fact and politically-motivated smear.
Still Waiting for a NBA Title (SL, UT)
Interesting read. Thanks!
RCT (NYC)
You aren't really an attorney, or you'd be aware of the many legislative measures passed during Obama's administration that have benefited working Americans, including African Americans. I'm not going to bother posting the list, because you sound impervious to facts. Just google it.

Voting for Trump will not benefit anyone other than those who want to see our nation in chaos.
Aram (San Francisco)
Obama just proves his point when we look at the negative comments here. The people that dislike him can't even give him one simple compliment. They see everything in black and white without any gray. Life is not that simple and being president has to be one of the worst jobs in the world.

No one is happy with what you do or how you do it.

He isn't a god, has never professed to be one, and admits he is just a man.

Just a person trying to do the best he can.

The left wanted perfection and magic. The right wanted him to be destroyed and stop everything he suggested (including the same basic health care that Romney started in MA, go figure).

I didn't agree with everything he did, or said, but I will miss this President Obama. Especially considering our choices in the current election.

Sad. Sad. Sad.
Michael (Ottawa, Canada)
The point about engaging with popular culture to "get the message" out is as interesting as it is disconcerting. As Obama notes, it took an appearance on "Between Two Ferns" for him to meaningfully reach out to young people about health care. If this is the new communications instrument of choice--a key method of penetrating the public sphere--then we ought to be concerned when boisterous people like Trump take the stage.

As he has done many times in the past, Trump demands attention when he's in front of the camera. He is living, breathing spectacle armed with xenophobic quips and petty remarks that somehow appeal directly to our most basic emotions. If the stoic Obama had such an impact on the youth merely by appearing on a farcical comedy show for a few minutes, think of what effect Trump's presence in pop culture has on the electorate.
Red Lion (Europe)
Indeed. But even FDR used the media popular culture of his day -- the radio and his 'fireside chats' -- to get his message across.

It goes with the job.
andy (Illinois)
Eventually all of America will come to miss President Obama. A man of great humility, high intellect, integrity and most of all great humanity.

Could I make a suggestion to President Obama and Vice President Biden: would you consider running for the Democratic party for two hotly contested Senate seats in 2018? You would win hands down against any Republican in almost any State. And these two extra senate seats could prove enormously precious for Hillary's legislative agenda.
Kathleen (Florida)
Ridiculous! You don't become a senator AFTER becoming president. Plus these two gentlemen are TIRED. It's a tough job. A long 8 years. It ages you. One of the perks is, after you've been president you get to retire.
monty (vicenza, italy)
Thanks for an unexpectedly beautiful, incisive, meaningful
piece. Should be on the front page.
David Berman, MD (Andover Mass)
The underlying, pulsing humanity of Obama is here fully on display: smart, relational, inclusive, the adjectives you would want in a friend or a sibling or a spouse.
We were fortunate to have such an actual human being to be our President these last almost 8 years.
That was unique in my lifetime: when will we be so blessed again?
Wordsworth from Wadsworth (Mesa, Arizona)
Barack Obama has displayed a redoubtable intellect through the years. But his emotional intelligence, poise, sense of self, and sense of history has really served our country well.

We were fortunate to have him as our President.

This piece from the Fashion & Style section and Philip Galanes is a unique artifact for history.
jon (NY)
Excellent, amazing piece. The nation will miss BO.
Kelly (New Jersey)
What is there to add? I don't think I am alone in believing we will miss this President very much once he leaves office. Those who stood in his way, arms folded a la George Wallace in the school house door, will be held accountable for the lost opportunities we have all suffered at their hands. They may have delayed progress but they have not delayed their days of reckoning.
Carol Senal (Chicago)
I love all three of them..These three men are smart, intuitive and good people. We need many more like them.
Guy Walker (New York City)
There was a saying, "clothes make the man". There is so much insight into the president as a person by looking at this family's dynamics which I believe you'd have to be inhuman not to pick up the fact that they are more than positive. I'm so glad this has been recorded in this interview.
mark (Illinois)
Spectacular president, Mr. Obama has been. Not perfect, but spectacular...and full of grace.

I would vote for him again.
Shihtzu Lover (CT)
Enjoyed reading this banter! Now i'm visualizing if Trump can have a deep, philosophical yet casual conversation such as this...Just visualize, it's painful
Sean (Talent, Or)
Really interesting discussion. It makes one realize the great gap between President Obama and the real estate develop, in intellect and morality.
A Reader (<br/>)
Mr. Galanes, thanks for your consistently excellent "Table for Three" and "Social Q's" columns. These are among the most enjoyable--and with respect to "Social Q's, elucidating--features currently offered by the NY Times. It's great to see someone who's a social savant apply those skills in both of these contexts.

Also: I'm so sorry to learn about the painful circumstances surrounding the early loss of your father. What a resilient and empathic man you became.
Hugh (MacDonald)
“Nice place!” the actor Bryan Cranston said to President Obama as he glanced around at the White House. “When are you putting it on the market?” Groan.... Is that the best line one of our best actors can come up with?
vacciniumovatum (Seattle)
I thought it was funny...
BobR (Wyomissing)
My word, POTUS seems to be a very nice, caring and articulate man (as does the actor).

Amazing: several adults recorded talking civilly and intelligently.
utoeid (Brooklyn, NY)
Great conversation. I will miss President Obama and what he has accomplished as President. I miss Breaking Bad (which I too binge watched). I just want to know if at the end of the interview if BC whipped out Walter White's Pork Pie hat and shades?
Mark Shyres (Laguna Beach, CA)
It won' take much effort to play Obama.
Ann (California)
Wonderful and fascinating interview! Love the thoughtfulness of the questions and comments and especially President Obama's caring and insightful responses--conveying respect for the historical context of the office, recent leaders legacies, and the young generation and the need to support them against cynicism and hopelessness. For detractors posting here, I ask: What would America look like today if we had a Congress that had truly rolled up their sleeves and chosen to work with the President? ...Chosen to respect their differences but seek common ground for the good of everyone. Thank you, Mr. President, Mr. Cranston, and Mr. Galanes.
doktorij (Eastern Tn)
Thank you so much for a wonderful chat with two of my favorite people in the world limelight.

The optimism that the President radiates is a wonderful example of staying on the sunny side of life, regardless of your difficulties.

Barack and Brian share an excellent sense of humor as well. I personally needed an upbeat story like this today, sometimes the negativity gets under your skin...
luckydice88 (Austin, TX)
a fascinating interview. in a way, i think that the final months of the obama presidency will have a more reflective and introspective president, one going back to his roots during his '08 campaign, similar to this interview here. During the years in the middle of his administration, there was the day-to-day grind of washington gridlock, the government shutdown, international diplomacy and crises, re-election, and so on. Now, like the song "I can see clearly now, the rain is gone" and he is more free to be just himself.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
You talk about the Obama presidency as if you're looking at a frog in a mason jar. Oh, now maybe when the sun comes out the frog will eat the tasty insects you're putting in through the air holes.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States. And he's failed miserably. 114 million Americans who gave up on finding jobs during the Obama presidency couldn't care less which TV star, Kardashian, or star athlete Obama invites to the WH to chill with.

Get serious.
Iver Thompson (Pasadena, CA)
I agree with the Barrister. I too am getting tired of reading about Obama's infatuation with celebrities and the lives they lead. Is there anyone in Washington these days who isn't just using their position there as a substitute for a Broadway stage? Next I wouldn't be surprised to read that Mr. Obama has already got an audition scheduled for the Thomas Jefferson play. He's already proved he can rap with the best of them. Talk about "legacy".
Ray Russ (Palo Alto, CA)
What a sad, petty retort.
The Heartland (West Des Moines, IA)
At some point, this country will realize that, despite his shortcomings (and who among us is perfect?), Barack Obama was a great president.
njglea (Seattle)
I realized he was a great, honorable, thoughtful man before I voted for him the first time, Heartland, and he has only proven it in the last 7 1/2 years. WE are very fortunate he agreed to serve us with dignity and intelligence.
Melon (Chicago)
I would have to say Barack Obama is probably the greatest president, and possibly better then Lincoln and FDR. It's unfortunate what the future holds.
Erik (Idaho)
So gonna miss Barack.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
Does that mean we can pack his stuff and forward all of it to your house?
Here in Washington DC, we're fed up with the guy and counting the days until he's gone.
Dave (Virginia)
Even my Republican mother-in-law acknowledged recently she's going to miss Obama...
Li'l Lil (Houston)
Speak for yourself, not vague and imprecise generalizations. Oh, actually here in the commentaries we're fed up with your inaccurate negative assessments of our President.
A. Pritchard (Seattle)
Loved this conversation. I'm really going to miss Obama.
Trudy (Pasadena, CA)
Two of my favorite men here!
Paul (White Plains)
Obama's entire political life has been one big act. He has been able to fool some of the people all of the time.
DCBarrister (Washington, DC)
Great.
Two actors in the White House.

Can November get here faster?
Eric (Colorado)
And Trump is the real deal to be in the White House? Give me a break.
J. Pyle (Lititz PA)
If it's Trump, I wouldn't be in a hurry to get to November.
June (New York)
You actually have to wait until January 2017 when President Obama's lease is up. I am sure we will welcome Trump's new reality show.
Entropic Decline (NYC)
Man, I'm gonna miss Pres. Obama.
NMY (New Jersey)
Its kind of fun to see that Obama is a fan of Cranston's and vice versa. I happen to be a fan of both.
Steve (New York)
Mr. Cranston might be able to get a lease on the White House if Trump wins. Most likely Trump would follow the lead of Nelson Rockefeller who when V.P. could afford a far nicer home than the official V.P. residence and chose to live in his own or Michael Bloomberg doing something similar by refusing to downsize to Gracie Mansion when mayor of NYC.
I assume Donald and Melania wouldn't be caught dead living in something as shabby as the White House. And he'd probably want to live in something with his name on it. Say, isn't he putting up a new building in D.C.?
coleman (dallas)
president obama indeed is completing the role of a lifetime.
i just hope that as a former president he performs better as
a role model for the youth of america.
he could have done so much more to raise the expectations
they have of themselves. instead he passed up that opportunity
and made jokes about his being "high in high school".
oh well, perhaps the next president will...nope, that's clearly not
going to happen with either of the two party candidates left standing.
one is a narcissist, the other is so insecure as to wear blue
contact lenses.
history will look back and lament all of the opportunities wasted
to unite us and the inability of either side of the political/social
divide to work for our common good.
a real tragedy.
Journeywoman (USA)
You appear to be unaware of Mr. Obama's My Brother's Keeper initiative.