I believe your question, E. A. Hanks, "In a world where no one is in charge, what’s keeping teenagers in line?", is easily answered: Fear of the Walking Dead.
I don't understand why currency is important for Luis in getting him and strand to Baja? What value does money have in the post-apocalyptic walking dead world?
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Because the world hasn't completely vanished yet. This is only a few weeks since things took a turn for the worse. With the wall and the helicopters, apparently Mexico believes it can protect its country from this plague. If that's the case then people will still hold faith in the monetary system.
I'm finding this series very boring.
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I was also curious about the voice in Daniel's head. I thought it was saying "take the weapon" (sounded like "toma el arma" in Spanish). I assume that meant take the weapon from Chris - surely they didn't leave a weapon with impaled Reed.
The Abigail has covered a lot of sea miles but it isn't going in circles. Last week they made it to the Mexican border but this week backtracked toward LA as they were trying to rescue Travis and Alicia. The fence where Nick swam ashore in the dark (last week's episode) looks like border fence that goes down the beach and into the water between Imperial Beach, and Tijuana. Wikipedia link with pictures:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Field_State_Park
I like the show but I think it fell back on one of the Walking Dead bad habits where the villains alternate between being ruthlessly efficient and being bumbling fools. The pirates acted like the Keystone Kops during the hostage exchange. Would Connor really be that much of a patsy after his experience raiding ships through trickery and force? Would his flannel shirt goon really walk right up to tied up Travis so he could headbutted?
Still, I like the show and its nautical theme and don't feel the need for splattering zombies in every episode. Next week we should see our band trying to evade whatever's left of the Mexican Border Patrol as they try to escape from El Norte.
The Abigail has covered a lot of sea miles but it isn't going in circles. Last week they made it to the Mexican border but this week backtracked toward LA as they were trying to rescue Travis and Alicia. The fence where Nick swam ashore in the dark (last week's episode) looks like border fence that goes down the beach and into the water between Imperial Beach, and Tijuana. Wikipedia link with pictures:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Field_State_Park
I like the show but I think it fell back on one of the Walking Dead bad habits where the villains alternate between being ruthlessly efficient and being bumbling fools. The pirates acted like the Keystone Kops during the hostage exchange. Would Connor really be that much of a patsy after his experience raiding ships through trickery and force? Would his flannel shirt goon really walk right up to tied up Travis so he could headbutted?
Still, I like the show and its nautical theme and don't feel the need for splattering zombies in every episode. Next week we should see our band trying to evade whatever's left of the Mexican Border Patrol as they try to escape from El Norte.
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Oh yeah and the traditional boneheaded mistake this episode was leaving Chris to watch the hostage. The most unreliable, emotionally uncontrolled, worthless member of the crew, and they leave him alone with the hostage that is their only chance of getting their group members back. Of course, in all horror movies and shows, the protagonists make boneheaded mistakes, but I was surprised that Daniel made this one as he's usually quite savvy.
Also with his hearing voices, it was someone saying in Spanish, "take my gun, Daniel". I think it's a flashback to his days in El Salvador, having to leave his father, brother, or friend behind when his side lost.
Also with his hearing voices, it was someone saying in Spanish, "take my gun, Daniel". I think it's a flashback to his days in El Salvador, having to leave his father, brother, or friend behind when his side lost.
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Good points in the recap, and I do like how this show is going. As for the skimming through the official, government/military response, I think that's reasonable. This is all about how some particular civilians experience the zombie apocalypse, and aside from their early run-ins, they really wouldn't know what the military is up to. And we did get that overview from Ranger Fatalist of how various shortwave radio was going dark.
I think too that the Mexican military has managed to hold onto control near the border, and that's why they need to buy their way through. And it's a neat irony that the Mexicans would be striving to keep Americans out. The teaser we got of the next episode sure looked like military personnel were coming to board them and look them over, forcing most of the crew to hide.
I think it's pretty cool too that this season, thus far, not one of the initial group has been killed, and only one person (Luis) has been taken in by the group, even though several had a chance to be adopted.
As for the unbelievable romance between Jack and Alicia, I think that Jack really wanted to believe it, finally a girl for him in the apocalypse. And Alicia was leading him on, waiting for a chance to get away.
Also it was a great ploy to hand over a zombie hostage (tho it did get used in the comics), and it's interesting that some of the strongest willed adversaries (Alex, pregnant lady) are left alive and will probably be coming after the Abigail.
I think too that the Mexican military has managed to hold onto control near the border, and that's why they need to buy their way through. And it's a neat irony that the Mexicans would be striving to keep Americans out. The teaser we got of the next episode sure looked like military personnel were coming to board them and look them over, forcing most of the crew to hide.
I think it's pretty cool too that this season, thus far, not one of the initial group has been killed, and only one person (Luis) has been taken in by the group, even though several had a chance to be adopted.
As for the unbelievable romance between Jack and Alicia, I think that Jack really wanted to believe it, finally a girl for him in the apocalypse. And Alicia was leading him on, waiting for a chance to get away.
Also it was a great ploy to hand over a zombie hostage (tho it did get used in the comics), and it's interesting that some of the strongest willed adversaries (Alex, pregnant lady) are left alive and will probably be coming after the Abigail.
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I completely agree.
I don't want to listen to empty dialog about 'what do you think happened?' anymore than I want to watch them eat or go to the bathroom unless it is poignant to the plot.
Mexico seems pretty determined to keep out intruders, if a tuna boat's radar is good enough to identify everything on the water, I'm sure a naval vessel is able to read much more and stop anything from crossing, even out to sea. Besides, the plan has been established, just not for the extra crew (Strand just needed help to contact Luiz).
This show is so much better than TWD. I'd much rather watch adults and teens dealing with ever changing rules of a new world than a blender of absurd stereotypes pulled through absurd scenarios.
Besides, how cool was it that a plan that ultimately worked? No way would that happen on TWD. The Zodiac would have sunk, Alicia would swim back for something she left behind, Another group would have captured Abigail, Connor would be flying a helicopter after them as he turned...wearing an eye patch.
The show is about the collapse of civilization, it doest need to have decap after decap to be entertaining. After avoiding people (dead or alive), the biggest threat should be dehydration, starvation and tetanus.
I don't want to listen to empty dialog about 'what do you think happened?' anymore than I want to watch them eat or go to the bathroom unless it is poignant to the plot.
Mexico seems pretty determined to keep out intruders, if a tuna boat's radar is good enough to identify everything on the water, I'm sure a naval vessel is able to read much more and stop anything from crossing, even out to sea. Besides, the plan has been established, just not for the extra crew (Strand just needed help to contact Luiz).
This show is so much better than TWD. I'd much rather watch adults and teens dealing with ever changing rules of a new world than a blender of absurd stereotypes pulled through absurd scenarios.
Besides, how cool was it that a plan that ultimately worked? No way would that happen on TWD. The Zodiac would have sunk, Alicia would swim back for something she left behind, Another group would have captured Abigail, Connor would be flying a helicopter after them as he turned...wearing an eye patch.
The show is about the collapse of civilization, it doest need to have decap after decap to be entertaining. After avoiding people (dead or alive), the biggest threat should be dehydration, starvation and tetanus.
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Nice "bait and switch" Daniel! Most impressive. Why was Carlos not topside with one of his rifles when they approached the meeting point? Come on dude, make yourself useful. Would it be wrong to zip tie Chris to a chair to keep him out of trouble?
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Not sure why I called him Carlos, his name is Luis.
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I think it'd be a better idea to handcuff Chris to a steel post somewhere in the engine room. He might work his way out of a ziptie and it's best to keep him anchored in one spot.
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i like the slow burn pace. i dont want both shows to be the same.
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Terrible episode. Only one zombie!! That must be a new record for the walking dead family is shows. Also, it's turning into a teenager level show with do much attention on stupid kids doing stupid things. Finally, as with its fellow zombie show, it asks the viewer to suspend any belief in such technical matters like time and distance. Are these folks sailing in one big circle?
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So, why do they need help crossing the border? They're going to Baja. Is there a giant fence in the ocean we don't know about?
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I'm going to suggest that given the frenzy of activity to the North perhaps the Mexican military is keeping a closer eye on people trying to travel South. Remember all of the helicopters in last week's episode when Nick swam ashore?
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The single best scene is when Madison delivers Reid-the-walker, his head covered. to Connor, and wisely give Reid a push to ensure a close encounter between the two brothers as Connor removes the cloth bag. Good move, Madison, with a hat tip to Daniel for thinking of the ploy. Fortunately, Chris was a poor shot and failed to put a bullet into Reid's toxic brain. Did Chris indeed think that Reid was turning, or was he sick to death of Reid's taunts. But it makes sense that Reid couldn't last long with that spike run through his torso. Viewers would have done him in sooner, and gleefully at that.
So who will be the new Connor? Alex, the woman who was cut free of the yacht by Strand? Jack? No. Will we see them again? I don't think that Alex is out of the picture.
Why do they need to cross a border, on land, into Baja? Can't they sail the yacht into Baja waters and find a place to get to shore? Maybe the smuggler they are to meet likely has resources for them, or knows how to get them.
I am not deeply interested in this series. More to the point, in these characters. The writing is mixed; the acting is mixed (maybe that is unfair. but I don't find the characters gripping, more a fault of the dialogue, perhaps). But I was happy to see them overcome Connor and some of his minions.
So who will be the new Connor? Alex, the woman who was cut free of the yacht by Strand? Jack? No. Will we see them again? I don't think that Alex is out of the picture.
Why do they need to cross a border, on land, into Baja? Can't they sail the yacht into Baja waters and find a place to get to shore? Maybe the smuggler they are to meet likely has resources for them, or knows how to get them.
I am not deeply interested in this series. More to the point, in these characters. The writing is mixed; the acting is mixed (maybe that is unfair. but I don't find the characters gripping, more a fault of the dialogue, perhaps). But I was happy to see them overcome Connor and some of his minions.
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"Fear" is better than TWD. I actually enjoy the show. Action plans go right. The characters are more appealing and seemingly far more intelligent. TWD has become a zombie in its own way and despite the infusion of Negan, I will not bother wasting my time watching. It has become a depressing soulless show without anything edifying. It needs a bolt to the brain.
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We don’t know if America is the only country affected by the zombie apocalypse...
Well, actually, we (meaning the viewers) do, E.A: Given FTWD and TWD occupy the same universe, we can cross reference. Recall the final episode of the first season of TWD, in which Rick and the group take temporary refuge at the CDC. As I remember, the single remaining research scientist, Dr. Edwin Jenner, spoke of losing contact with research counterparts in France. "There's nobody left," he said, implying they've been overrun in Europe as well.
Rather than where it spread to, the question I've always wondered about is where it began: was there a patient zero? Oddly, the characters on neither show seem terribly interested in asking questions like that or even comparing notes about what they knew. Granted, it may all be academic anyway, still, in the first season of FTWD, I found it odd that no one seemed inclined to repeatedly turn on the TV or radio or check the internet to try to get answers. at least early on before there was a complete media blackout. The implication of a total news blackout was that there was a cover-up going on, but the show never formally explored that.
One of the flaws of the show, I think, is that they portray the characters so busy contending with what's going on, they never allow them to stop to ask how the hell did all this happen? How did we get here? That seems to me a plausibly human things to do - but somehow, such a natural, obvious curiosity is absent.
Well, actually, we (meaning the viewers) do, E.A: Given FTWD and TWD occupy the same universe, we can cross reference. Recall the final episode of the first season of TWD, in which Rick and the group take temporary refuge at the CDC. As I remember, the single remaining research scientist, Dr. Edwin Jenner, spoke of losing contact with research counterparts in France. "There's nobody left," he said, implying they've been overrun in Europe as well.
Rather than where it spread to, the question I've always wondered about is where it began: was there a patient zero? Oddly, the characters on neither show seem terribly interested in asking questions like that or even comparing notes about what they knew. Granted, it may all be academic anyway, still, in the first season of FTWD, I found it odd that no one seemed inclined to repeatedly turn on the TV or radio or check the internet to try to get answers. at least early on before there was a complete media blackout. The implication of a total news blackout was that there was a cover-up going on, but the show never formally explored that.
One of the flaws of the show, I think, is that they portray the characters so busy contending with what's going on, they never allow them to stop to ask how the hell did all this happen? How did we get here? That seems to me a plausibly human things to do - but somehow, such a natural, obvious curiosity is absent.
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I agree. I always thought it was unrealistic that no one asked questions about where it started. Even if it was just an academic discussion, like, "What do you think went wrong?" It's likely no one in this particular crew knows, but it would still be a pretty logical question to ask. And they really did squander that chance in Season 1 of TWD. Even if Jenner had answered something like, "We really don't know; some people think it was a lab accident, and others think it came out of the jungles of Africa/Southeast Asia, but it's all just conjecture and I don't think we'll ever know" that would have been better than never ever addressing this issue at all. How does NO ONE ask that question of "What happened to cause this?"
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Good points, NMY. Because FTWD is still in a relatively early phase, I think it would be interesting if they added a character, at least short term, who may have worked as a reporter or scientist of some kind before the epidemic took over - somebody whose job was to ask questions and who had access to information that average citizens might not and could provide some insight on the origin of the disease.
Part of the enticement of FTWD was that the show's creators promised that things would be revealed that hadn't been on TWD, but I don't think that's really happened yet, though the characters on FTWD have developed a knowledge base much more rapidly than the TWD characters. Robert Kirkman, the original creator, says he'd rather avoid the whole issue of how the epidemic came about - in fact he said he now views the CDC episode as a mistake - but I disagree with him. It was a good episode, and rather than avoid the mystery, he needs to deepen it, or at least create obstacles showing why it is difficult to learn anything new. Whether TWD or FTWD, the characters' quest to survive should entail a question of what exactly they're fighting against.
Part of the enticement of FTWD was that the show's creators promised that things would be revealed that hadn't been on TWD, but I don't think that's really happened yet, though the characters on FTWD have developed a knowledge base much more rapidly than the TWD characters. Robert Kirkman, the original creator, says he'd rather avoid the whole issue of how the epidemic came about - in fact he said he now views the CDC episode as a mistake - but I disagree with him. It was a good episode, and rather than avoid the mystery, he needs to deepen it, or at least create obstacles showing why it is difficult to learn anything new. Whether TWD or FTWD, the characters' quest to survive should entail a question of what exactly they're fighting against.
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I agree, too. Although this is a world where no one calls zombies, zombies, is it not a world where everyone has a cellphone and checks it 50,00 times a day?.
The total lack of curiosity is more unbelievable than zombies.
Plus, I thought this would be more of a series focused on patient zero, doctors, the CDC, and the military. Traveling around the world even. Isn't the budget big enough yet? I expected more science, than teen angst.
The total lack of curiosity is more unbelievable than zombies.
Plus, I thought this would be more of a series focused on patient zero, doctors, the CDC, and the military. Traveling around the world even. Isn't the budget big enough yet? I expected more science, than teen angst.
Definitely can't wait for next weeks episode, it's going to be super great.
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