@bumba
Why not check his website???...You can Google the exact address.
Why not check his website???...You can Google the exact address.
1
Why is there such a discrepancy between the exit polls (52% to 48%) and the end result?
"Around the world, exit polls have been used to verify the integrity of elections. The United States has funded exit polls in Eastern Europe to detect fraud. Discrepancies between exit polls and the official vote count have been used to successfully overturn election results in Ukraine, Serbia, and Georgia."
http://electiondefensealliance.org/frequently_asked_questions_about_exit...
"Around the world, exit polls have been used to verify the integrity of elections. The United States has funded exit polls in Eastern Europe to detect fraud. Discrepancies between exit polls and the official vote count have been used to successfully overturn election results in Ukraine, Serbia, and Georgia."
http://electiondefensealliance.org/frequently_asked_questions_about_exit...
2
After reading comments both here and elsewhere, I feel compelled to expand upon the currently favored "it's not your Party" argument.
Would someone please explain to me why I should feel any allegiance to either Party? As far as I'm concerned neither one accurately represents my social, political, and economic leanings much less my core values and beliefs. I'm confident I'm not alone in this regard.
Yet, Party acolytes in New York somehow feel justified in denying my participation in the political process unless I'm affiliated. At the same time, these same persons actively seek to prevent reform and insulate their control in the existent system.
You can toe whatever line you want but you cannot unjustly influence the lives of 42% of the nation and claim some moral high ground. Telling independents to join or shut up concedes the argument on any other commendable positions you might hold.
Would someone please explain to me why I should feel any allegiance to either Party? As far as I'm concerned neither one accurately represents my social, political, and economic leanings much less my core values and beliefs. I'm confident I'm not alone in this regard.
Yet, Party acolytes in New York somehow feel justified in denying my participation in the political process unless I'm affiliated. At the same time, these same persons actively seek to prevent reform and insulate their control in the existent system.
You can toe whatever line you want but you cannot unjustly influence the lives of 42% of the nation and claim some moral high ground. Telling independents to join or shut up concedes the argument on any other commendable positions you might hold.
6
So does pretending that the parties, either or both, are all one person telling you all these awful things you cite. Or pretending there's only one voice speaking for Clinton, or only one view speaking for Sanders. We're all doing the best we can in an imperfect and troubled world. And whether we think that primaries are only for party members to choose their delegates or not, we may be in good faith. Whether we have great allegiance to our party or think it is merely better for the nation than the other party, we are usually speaking the truth as best we can. So it's not as though some big unified voice is ordering you around. Do the best you can to see the truth, and do according to that; but you need not imagine that those around you are your adversaries, or seeking to lead you astray.
5
The parties are private entities. They are not the government. They set their own rules, and they work to support and organize the party. They chose who they want to represent them. After they have chosen a representative, the entire electorate gets to chose which person they want to lead. why should somebody who does not put any effort (even as little as registering to their name) get a say in who they spend their money to support? Works that way in every democracy that I know of.
6
If the Parties weren't accepting public funds and there was a viable alternative, I might agree. As it stands, a pre-filtered A/B test is not a choice.
4
I'm loving all the sanders voters now having to make a choice to vote Hillary or trump......
Christmas came early
Christmas came early
3
Those are not the only two options. Some will be sitting it out or voting Green.
3
Sanders is officially DONE!
It's a two person race now, finally.
It's a two person race now, finally.
4
Right. Trump vs. Cruz.
On the Democratic side, the primary map of New York state is fascinating. Hillary Clinton, a corporate centrist Democrat considerably to the right of Sanders on most issues, won a majority of votes in the 4 largest metropolitan areas of New York City, Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse. Odd considering the perception that urban areas are more left-wing than rural ones, because of greater ethnic/racial diversity and a more acute awareness of the imperative to fund government services such as public transport, trash collection, daycare facilities, etc.
So the Democratic primary results in New York really upended conventional wisdom. Sanders the Democratic Socialist swept the rural areas of the state and Clinton won the metropolitan areas. I think this really illustrates how little headway Sanders has made among African-American Democrats. The primary results in southern states were interpreted by Sanders supporters as evidence that black Democrats there are just more conservative (this made no sense to me--why would people with direct experience of living under Jim Crow be more right-wing?). But black Democrats in Buffalo and the Bronx are apparently no less "conservative." Sanders lost the Bronx by 70-30 to Clinton--just a shellacking in NY's poorest borough.
Choices these two people made 40+ years ago seem to really be important in 2016. Sanders elected to move to a New England state lacking in racial diversity. Clinton met a law student from Arkansas and moved to Dixie.
So the Democratic primary results in New York really upended conventional wisdom. Sanders the Democratic Socialist swept the rural areas of the state and Clinton won the metropolitan areas. I think this really illustrates how little headway Sanders has made among African-American Democrats. The primary results in southern states were interpreted by Sanders supporters as evidence that black Democrats there are just more conservative (this made no sense to me--why would people with direct experience of living under Jim Crow be more right-wing?). But black Democrats in Buffalo and the Bronx are apparently no less "conservative." Sanders lost the Bronx by 70-30 to Clinton--just a shellacking in NY's poorest borough.
Choices these two people made 40+ years ago seem to really be important in 2016. Sanders elected to move to a New England state lacking in racial diversity. Clinton met a law student from Arkansas and moved to Dixie.
5
Given the higher number of Arican American voters in Erie, Monroe and Onondaga counties, she did incredibly badly there, as her numbers in those counties were barely over 50%. Stunning. And they worked upstate and WNY hard in the run up to the primary. She lost the rest of upstate badly. Interesting that if you add the raw vote totals of Trump and Sanders, they beat Clinton's. She really is going to need to attract Sanders voters, particularly given that the primary was closed and she would not draw the independents who did not vote in the primary but would vote in the general.
5
She crushes it in diverse counties and states - she is no conservative. I find it sad that the Bernie fanbase is willing to harm the progressive agenda in a desperate attempt to defeat the most powerful candidate in this election.
3
Nonsense. She couldn't even "crush it" in diverse counties (Erie, Monroe and Onondaga) in her home state in a closed primary!
6
You choose Hillary who voted for the invasion of Iraq over Sanders who was WISE enough to vote against it ?
How sad for you.
How sad for you.
10
@newworld
You really need to look at the whole picture, and not the little news-bites that suit your argument.
Maybe start with HOW the War in Iraq got started in the first place...and WHO started it --it wasn't Hillary.
You really need to look at the whole picture, and not the little news-bites that suit your argument.
Maybe start with HOW the War in Iraq got started in the first place...and WHO started it --it wasn't Hillary.
7
She regrets that one vote and stated so. However, Sanders voted SIX TIMES against gun regulations. What kind of morality is that? What kind of wisdom is that? He refused to apologize to Sandy Hook families for his immoral role in shielding the gun industry. Big thumbs up from the NRA, however. He saved his senatorial seat for two terms. How does he live with himself over his own political corruption?? Oh, right. He points at her and yells.
5
The economy and jobs are in his wheelhouse? What's in his wheelhouse is borrowing other people's money to do deals he takes credit for, but doesn't invest his own money in. Great perspective for a president.
1
Just a note to the editors - is there an error in the graphic on left margin column of the article, showing Clinton and Sanders' percentages? They look reversed, if I'm not mistaken.
Many of the comments here just make me sad.
We have turned on each other.... and with yeoman's work left on issues like the economy, climate change, fairness, racial justice, peace, and promoting openness and cooperation globally.
The debate in the Democratic party is how to get to these goals, which we all share and have defined the party for decades. Clinton describes steady, plodding work towards progress using three branches of government. Sanders believes in a revolution. We can debate which method is more likely to succeed... that's Democracy.
What I think has been lost in recent weeks is the notion that we still share the same goals. Amid this rancor, we should remind ourselves of what we're voting on in the first place.
We have turned on each other.... and with yeoman's work left on issues like the economy, climate change, fairness, racial justice, peace, and promoting openness and cooperation globally.
The debate in the Democratic party is how to get to these goals, which we all share and have defined the party for decades. Clinton describes steady, plodding work towards progress using three branches of government. Sanders believes in a revolution. We can debate which method is more likely to succeed... that's Democracy.
What I think has been lost in recent weeks is the notion that we still share the same goals. Amid this rancor, we should remind ourselves of what we're voting on in the first place.
7
Sanders and Trump are like puppets dangled in front of an ever-disatisfied and underserved citizenry to give the false impression they have real choices. The one party oligarchy will easily weather these little "storms" to continue its unbridled march toward transferring the wealth of the bottom 99.5% of US citizens to the richest uppermost 0.5%. Welcome to "free"-market Capitalist Democracy.
2
So--are states where independents can vote in primaries doing it wrong? Apparently the Democratic and Republican parties can survive quite well in those places.
NY makes the word *dirty* look clean. Its political structure is designed to ensure that incumbents never face viable challengers. And you don*t get to run under a party label unless the party is sure it can control you for life.
Yes, I am baffled at minority support for Hillary. How often during her tenure as a NY Senator did she tour public housing? Did she object to stop and frisk? Did she investigate what our drug laws have done to disenfranchise so many black citizens? Was she concerned about predatory lending? What, exactly, did she accomplish that improved anyone*s life?
Yeah, I know about the Children*s Health Insurance legislation. Don*t those kids have parents who also need good healthcare?
What, exactly, is this history of getting things done? She did certainly contribute to the destabilization of a large swath of the Middle East and seems intent on continuing. Does her homework? You mean, like reading intelligence briefings? She couldn't be bothered to do that before voting for the Iraq war.
She*s a venal fraud. She and her husband caused enough harm to ordinary people*s lives--here and abroad.
No, I won*t be voting for her. If we end up with a President Trump you can thank Debbie Wasserman Schultz for that one.
NY makes the word *dirty* look clean. Its political structure is designed to ensure that incumbents never face viable challengers. And you don*t get to run under a party label unless the party is sure it can control you for life.
Yes, I am baffled at minority support for Hillary. How often during her tenure as a NY Senator did she tour public housing? Did she object to stop and frisk? Did she investigate what our drug laws have done to disenfranchise so many black citizens? Was she concerned about predatory lending? What, exactly, did she accomplish that improved anyone*s life?
Yeah, I know about the Children*s Health Insurance legislation. Don*t those kids have parents who also need good healthcare?
What, exactly, is this history of getting things done? She did certainly contribute to the destabilization of a large swath of the Middle East and seems intent on continuing. Does her homework? You mean, like reading intelligence briefings? She couldn't be bothered to do that before voting for the Iraq war.
She*s a venal fraud. She and her husband caused enough harm to ordinary people*s lives--here and abroad.
No, I won*t be voting for her. If we end up with a President Trump you can thank Debbie Wasserman Schultz for that one.
9
She had nothing to do with the Children's Health Insurance legislation, other than voting for it when she finally made it to the Senate. It was authored by Ted Kennedy while she was still First Lady. That's a Pinnochio-worthy myth. And I completely agree with your comment. I will never, ever, ever vote for that piece of work in a pants suit. Well, maybe if Goldman Sachs tosses a few of those six figure checks my way. I'll admit it: maybe then.
8
Hillary never voted for CHIP. That legislation was proposed when Bill Clinton was president. As First Lady, she did encourage him to sign it, but the program was passed long before she entered the Senate.
With Clinton getting one step closer to her coronation, the 1 percent and the status quo can sleep a little better tonight. It's premature for the Sheriff of Nottingham to throw a feast with the troublemaker from Vermont still roaming about and stirring unrest among the poor and the discontent.
5
@Michael–Hardly a coronation. Both Clinton and Sanders have been working their tails off for this nomination. Somehow your comment is more dismissive of Sanders who has built up more money than Clinton.
8
Exactly. We progressives need a new party. Sanders was never going to win as a Democrat.
Time to leave the D party. -MZ NY
*******************
Sanders was never going to get noticed outside the Democratic party.
He knew the media would give him extensive and free softball coverage if he challenged the presumptive Democratic front runner.
Turns out he was correct as he got nothing but the best from CNN and the NY TIMES and the rest of the mainstream media.
Seriously CNN should change its call sign to BNN
the Bernie News Network! The NY Times is almost as bad.
We had to wait for the Daily News a "paper" that I think most would agree is not exactly pro Clinton to challenge Bernie.
Bernie is after all just another politician seeking advantage for himself.
As to Bernie supporters - Progressives have won the Democratic nomination a couple of times and like always Never close the deal!
'72 - George McGovern
'88 Mike Dukakis
And they've cost the Democrats the Presidency several times by running in the Primaries or going 3rd party in the General
'80 Ted Kennedy
'84 Gary Hart -Mondale (who many seem to forget was a MN Liberal)
'00 Bill Bradley - Ralph Nader
'04 Kerry - Dean Hard to tell who was worse Dean who screamed or Kerry who wouldn't fight back against the Swift Boat crew...
The only question now left is this:
"Will Bernie be next in the long line of left wingers who have given "aide and comfort" to the Republican Presidential nominee?"
Time to leave the D party. -MZ NY
*******************
Sanders was never going to get noticed outside the Democratic party.
He knew the media would give him extensive and free softball coverage if he challenged the presumptive Democratic front runner.
Turns out he was correct as he got nothing but the best from CNN and the NY TIMES and the rest of the mainstream media.
Seriously CNN should change its call sign to BNN
the Bernie News Network! The NY Times is almost as bad.
We had to wait for the Daily News a "paper" that I think most would agree is not exactly pro Clinton to challenge Bernie.
Bernie is after all just another politician seeking advantage for himself.
As to Bernie supporters - Progressives have won the Democratic nomination a couple of times and like always Never close the deal!
'72 - George McGovern
'88 Mike Dukakis
And they've cost the Democrats the Presidency several times by running in the Primaries or going 3rd party in the General
'80 Ted Kennedy
'84 Gary Hart -Mondale (who many seem to forget was a MN Liberal)
'00 Bill Bradley - Ralph Nader
'04 Kerry - Dean Hard to tell who was worse Dean who screamed or Kerry who wouldn't fight back against the Swift Boat crew...
The only question now left is this:
"Will Bernie be next in the long line of left wingers who have given "aide and comfort" to the Republican Presidential nominee?"
9
@JavaJunkie:
You are very mistaken. Let's just start with what you think has been Bernie's "extensive" coverage in the mainstream media.
ABC World News Tonight devoted less than one minute to Sanders from January–December 2015. For CBS Evening News it was 6.4 minutes and NBC Nightly News, 2.9 minutes.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/12/11/abc-world-news-tonight-has-devot...
Hillary Clinton had a total of 113 minutes coverage from the three networks during that period. Bernie Sanders had a total of 10 minutes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/07/donald-trump-h...
You are very mistaken. Let's just start with what you think has been Bernie's "extensive" coverage in the mainstream media.
ABC World News Tonight devoted less than one minute to Sanders from January–December 2015. For CBS Evening News it was 6.4 minutes and NBC Nightly News, 2.9 minutes.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/12/11/abc-world-news-tonight-has-devot...
Hillary Clinton had a total of 113 minutes coverage from the three networks during that period. Bernie Sanders had a total of 10 minutes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/07/donald-trump-h...
1
How can Sanders supporters support Clinton when she gave $11 Billion in Military aid to The Saudis, who chop off heads of non-violent protestors.
8
I will never vote for this evil liar.
4
And when I read comments like this, I know the Democratic Party is doomed. No unity here. Might as well vote Cruz/Trump and forget your "revolution" -- because they will.
1
N. Smith: Independents like myself come out for Bernie because we agree with him. We feel no particular attachment to the Democrat party per se. And because I find Trump/Cruz/Kasich way less scary than Clinton Inc. II, I will vote for the Republican.
6
Without her husband Bill, Hillary would be just another lawyer leeching off of a crooked legal system designed by lawyers to benefit lawyers... And a very down and dirty but otherwise mediocre one at that... Kinda like what she's doing now, except on a smaller scale...
9
Get this...
Millions of Bernie supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary...
They'll vote for TRUMP before Hillary.
The hell with the Supreme Court..
and TRUMP will wipe the floor with Hillary in November
I can't believe so many people fall for her BS
Sending more $ to Bernie.
I thought New Yorkers were smarter then this..
Millions of Bernie supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary...
They'll vote for TRUMP before Hillary.
The hell with the Supreme Court..
and TRUMP will wipe the floor with Hillary in November
I can't believe so many people fall for her BS
Sending more $ to Bernie.
I thought New Yorkers were smarter then this..
11
A President can be voted out of office every 4 years, and a member of Congress every four or six years depending upon which house of Congress; the Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment. If you want to see a reversal of income inequality, of unlimited and unidentifiable contributions to political campaigns, of voter protection rights and of privacy rights, then stamp your tiny foot and try the revenge angle. This is so childish.
Aren't there any other grown-ups supporting Senator Sanders?
Aren't there any other grown-ups supporting Senator Sanders?
10
@world
Don't make the mistake of blaming people who don't vote for Sanders for a Trump win.
And your "revolution"??--You can forget about that with a Republican President, Congress and Supreme Court nominee.
Don't make the mistake of blaming people who don't vote for Sanders for a Trump win.
And your "revolution"??--You can forget about that with a Republican President, Congress and Supreme Court nominee.
5
I've looked at this story several times and I've yet to see numbers. All I see are adjectives. Could you add some vote counts, please? The only percentages are from exit polls. How about actual precincts and actual votes?
1
That was my thought too. I had to look elsewhere to get actual numbers. The difference in delegates is not that big, and would probably shrink more if the irregularities in voting were investigated.
3
Well, no. I won*t be voting for Hillary.
The DNC machine wants to lock out independents in primaries but clutch *em to its bosom in the general election? Tough.
Nader didn't bring us Bush. Gore did, because he was a lousy candidate. Sanders isn't weakening Hillary for the Republicans--she*s plenty weak on her own two legs. A death stare isn't toughness, and blaming everyone else for her own failures and misjudgments isn't experience.
Trump is a disaster? What did all the smart people bring us? Go back as far as JFK--we got the expansion of the war in Southeast Asia and the Bay of Pigs disaster.
You think the 2008 financial meltdown happened by magic? It was the inevitable result of the weakening of financial regulations by the Clinton administration.
How about the lives and careers ruined or greatly harmed by DOMA and DODT?
No--sorry. I don't reward venality by voting for it.
The DNC machine wants to lock out independents in primaries but clutch *em to its bosom in the general election? Tough.
Nader didn't bring us Bush. Gore did, because he was a lousy candidate. Sanders isn't weakening Hillary for the Republicans--she*s plenty weak on her own two legs. A death stare isn't toughness, and blaming everyone else for her own failures and misjudgments isn't experience.
Trump is a disaster? What did all the smart people bring us? Go back as far as JFK--we got the expansion of the war in Southeast Asia and the Bay of Pigs disaster.
You think the 2008 financial meltdown happened by magic? It was the inevitable result of the weakening of financial regulations by the Clinton administration.
How about the lives and careers ruined or greatly harmed by DOMA and DODT?
No--sorry. I don't reward venality by voting for it.
10
@sca
It seems you might not know the rules of the game. Even Sanders knew that much when he signed on as a "Democrat" (in-name-only).
It's not as personal as you are making it out to be.
Some States have Open Primaries, and some are Closed....Period.
It seems you might not know the rules of the game. Even Sanders knew that much when he signed on as a "Democrat" (in-name-only).
It's not as personal as you are making it out to be.
Some States have Open Primaries, and some are Closed....Period.
2
If "everyone you know" voted for Sanders and you were shocked SHOCKED that Clinton won and won so handily... three things to consider:
Is "everyone you know" white?
If not, is "everyone you know" afraid to be honest with you for some reason?
OR, have you inadvertently limited your sources of information to those that reliably tell you what you want to hear?
None of these phenomena are exclusive to Sanders voters but, judging from the frequency with which this questions gets asked, you have to wonder why.
Is "everyone you know" white?
If not, is "everyone you know" afraid to be honest with you for some reason?
OR, have you inadvertently limited your sources of information to those that reliably tell you what you want to hear?
None of these phenomena are exclusive to Sanders voters but, judging from the frequency with which this questions gets asked, you have to wonder why.
17
There is a significant parallel between Trump and Clinton, and so it makes sense they might prevail, in unison in New York.
They are both media darlings -- able to attract readership -- so they are constantly highlighted. All we've heard is the media repeat the "HRC coronation" articles for many years now.
They both have automatic bases: older, mature women vote their dream, and angry white men vote against that dream.
They both are short on ideals, philosophy, substance, and judgement.
Both claim NY as their home state; both are elevated by NY.
Both HRC and Trump are reality media stars, and one of them is quite likely to become reality itself. Thanks to voters who can't take their eyes off the screens.
They are both media darlings -- able to attract readership -- so they are constantly highlighted. All we've heard is the media repeat the "HRC coronation" articles for many years now.
They both have automatic bases: older, mature women vote their dream, and angry white men vote against that dream.
They both are short on ideals, philosophy, substance, and judgement.
Both claim NY as their home state; both are elevated by NY.
Both HRC and Trump are reality media stars, and one of them is quite likely to become reality itself. Thanks to voters who can't take their eyes off the screens.
7
Disagree with your description of "automatic bases". You omitted some rather significant groups.
As for the "HRC coronation", I've heard more about that in the comments on this post-board than in the media.
As for the "HRC coronation", I've heard more about that in the comments on this post-board than in the media.
6
Donald Trump could be compared with George Bush.He try to concentrate a great number of americans emphasizing the patriot symbols bearing in mind Jeb Bush. Hillary Clinton seems Barack Obama before he won the presidential elections getting an historical victory, because Obama was the first afroamerican president and Hillary Clinton could be the First Woman President of USA.This two people represents two difent decades to understand the foreign policy of United States.It´s possible that the Economical situation and the american international relations can be remenbed studyng Dow Jones and the possible conflicts where United States can be implicated on the future being great topics to disccus.
While Donald Trump would be an absolute disaster as a president, I was happy to see Ted Cruz do down in defeat. He got exactly what he deserved with his New York values campaign. No presidential candidate should ever get a pass on playing one state or region off against the other. We are one country. I found Cruz's remarks extremely offensive when he made them, and I am from Wisconsin which is a lot closer to Iowa than New York. Give me New York values any day.
12
Hillary Won ?? Not really - Voter suppression Won. If they had let everyone vote and if so many peoples Voter registration changes or disapered
9
If "voter suppression" didn't occur as you claim, Hillary would have won by a larger margin!
12
Francine, they do let everyone vote, you just have to know the rules, I understand it may be difficult to learn the rules, it requires knowing a secret called Google and a piece of tech called a phone. As far a suppression, let's assume that the secret Clinton cabal managed to stop 200,000 registered Dems from voting ( Yuge assumption) . How would they know they were all going to vote for Sanders. By the way she would still have won. If you had magic like that wouldn't it be easier to use it in caucus states where far fewer people vote? I'm very disappointed in a lot of Bernie voters, I have to change my thought process, that it was mostly the Repubs that were both delusional and low-information.
14
@pearson
FYI. It's not as much of a conspiracy theory as you might like to think.
The New York City Board of Elections has also made other noteworthy blunders in the past.
FYI. It's not as much of a conspiracy theory as you might like to think.
The New York City Board of Elections has also made other noteworthy blunders in the past.
5
I'd bet that if you take out voters "of a certain income", those who support Hillary primarily because they want to see a female president, and take out the party superdelegate hardliners, Sanders would be farther ahead. Just my impression.
Remember Mitt's surreptitiously recorded comments to a private group? Show us those corporate speech transcripts, Hillary. That would reflect who you REALLY are. Only one of many reasons that many, many voters don't trust her, and don't like her.
Remember Mitt's surreptitiously recorded comments to a private group? Show us those corporate speech transcripts, Hillary. That would reflect who you REALLY are. Only one of many reasons that many, many voters don't trust her, and don't like her.
7
OK. And I bet that if you eliminated voters that voted for Trump because they like Trump, then Trump would have lost. What's your point?
The groups you refer to all are entitled to vote, and they all voted for HRC. It really doesn't matter why. The Presidential election is not a math test; nobody needs to show their work.
The groups you refer to all are entitled to vote, and they all voted for HRC. It really doesn't matter why. The Presidential election is not a math test; nobody needs to show their work.
7
Mary Ann, First he is 2 million votes behind, not in any way ahead. Second, it's easy to win an election if you get to disqualify all the groups that might not vote for YOUR candidate.
11
@maryann
Sorry. Wrong impression. There are quite a few 'ordinary folks' who voted for Clinton.
Not everyone in New York City is "of a certain income".
Sorry. Wrong impression. There are quite a few 'ordinary folks' who voted for Clinton.
Not everyone in New York City is "of a certain income".
13
Curious to know how all the affidavit voters in Brooklyn will have leaned. Myself: definitely Bernie. Coincidence? I'll leave it at vague innuendo, like my socialist master.
6
@tbulen
This is easy to answer, even though I don't believe in conspiracy theories in this particular case.
Chances are, if the Affidavit voters were new Brooklyn transplants, they're probably all White-- which is Bernie's tried and true loyal demographic.
Another thing. Anyone who has spent even a modicum of time in New York City knows that the Board of Elections is prone to some pretty outrageous mistakes....So much for your "socialist master".
This is easy to answer, even though I don't believe in conspiracy theories in this particular case.
Chances are, if the Affidavit voters were new Brooklyn transplants, they're probably all White-- which is Bernie's tried and true loyal demographic.
Another thing. Anyone who has spent even a modicum of time in New York City knows that the Board of Elections is prone to some pretty outrageous mistakes....So much for your "socialist master".
Bernie Sanders is a superdelegate, and from what I can see, he's already endorsed himself. According to the popular meme, that's worth 10,000 votes for Sanders. So, why would his campaign be complaining about superdelgates endorsing early? If Clinton wins more pledged delegates, will Sanders change his endorsement?
It's troubling to hear the Sanders campaign talking about winning the nomination by flipping superdelegates, even if they fall short in pledged delegates. It's hard for me to see how that's a principled stand.
It's troubling to hear the Sanders campaign talking about winning the nomination by flipping superdelegates, even if they fall short in pledged delegates. It's hard for me to see how that's a principled stand.
19
Patrick
Maybe you forget that on March 1, 2016 Bernie BLEW AWAY Hillary in Vermont (86 to 14 percent) so if he is a super delegate by virtue of his Senate seat in Vermont, it is OBVIOUS that he would simply support the winner in Vermont, by a WHOPPING margin, namely some guy named Bernie Sanders, because THE RESIDENTS OF VERMONT have spoken, loud and clear.
What is so hard to understand about that? Why would you say that is not fair?
Maybe you forget that on March 1, 2016 Bernie BLEW AWAY Hillary in Vermont (86 to 14 percent) so if he is a super delegate by virtue of his Senate seat in Vermont, it is OBVIOUS that he would simply support the winner in Vermont, by a WHOPPING margin, namely some guy named Bernie Sanders, because THE RESIDENTS OF VERMONT have spoken, loud and clear.
What is so hard to understand about that? Why would you say that is not fair?
2
People who reply that the "rules have always been known" don't answer the question of a "rigged system". Why does Wyoming with a population of a half-million get two Senators, as California with a population of 40 million? How is "pork" split up in the Senate? Where in the Constitution does it mention the two party system, or super-delegates, or the perks created by the two-party system, such as the right of one senator to hold up government, or the creation of convoluted boundaries for congressional districts to ensure incumbency? Why do so many people feel that the system is rigged against them? Because the system is. Our democracy is but a facsimile, built on the holocaust of its native population, the theft of its land, the giving away of this land to the most motivated of Europe and the institution of slavery. Such a system can justify/ignore anything - worsening economic inequality until mob violence breaks out. On a global scale the inequalities are even greater. When too many rats are crammed into a tight space, they kill each other off. As our population doubles in the coming years, I can only expect threats to the status quo to only increase. There is a lot of anger in the U.S. and a lot of anger in the world - none of which is being resolved. More fairness in our elections would result in more fairness in our leaders and more fairness in our dealings with the world.
2
Bill
Two Senators per state independent of population is defined in the Constitution, and it has been that way since 1789. Not rocket science.
The better question is why we limit Representatives to 435, by law passed in the 1920s, rather than saying that each state should have a number of Representatives defined by dividing the population enumerated in the last census by a given number of people, such as 500,000, and assigning each state the number that results, rounded up to the next whole number. That way every state gets at least one representative, but we add representatives as the population grows, rather than making each representative represent a larger number of people as the population grows. Give the people more power.
Two Senators per state independent of population is defined in the Constitution, and it has been that way since 1789. Not rocket science.
The better question is why we limit Representatives to 435, by law passed in the 1920s, rather than saying that each state should have a number of Representatives defined by dividing the population enumerated in the last census by a given number of people, such as 500,000, and assigning each state the number that results, rounded up to the next whole number. That way every state gets at least one representative, but we add representatives as the population grows, rather than making each representative represent a larger number of people as the population grows. Give the people more power.
2
It is not between candidates of the parties that is the issue; it is between the candidates of anti-establishment and those of pro-capital that is the question.
Hillary Clinton, the establishment candidate heavily supported by capital, has to go all the way even after this November fighting against the masses who detest the establishment and capital. There will be no idyllic world awaiting her. The old-fashioned and die-hard pro-establishment crowds of people do not seem to understand time and again that establishment has been regarded with disfavor or lacking general approval. For an example, those gullible who vote for her because she was said to be on the minority side will have to rethink again as Barack Obama, her role model, hasn’t helped minority as promised 7 years ago; in fact, black Americans’ safety has deteriorated. Drinking water pollution in Flint, Michigan does not convince people about his promises either. Her administration does not seem to be reassuring over and above Obama’s.
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are the only candidates who have shown sincerity in fighting for people’s economic future as well as trustworthiness and honesty in pursuit of a political revolution of, by and for the people whose ardent wish of liberation has been dragged on for too long.
Hillary Clinton, the establishment candidate heavily supported by capital, has to go all the way even after this November fighting against the masses who detest the establishment and capital. There will be no idyllic world awaiting her. The old-fashioned and die-hard pro-establishment crowds of people do not seem to understand time and again that establishment has been regarded with disfavor or lacking general approval. For an example, those gullible who vote for her because she was said to be on the minority side will have to rethink again as Barack Obama, her role model, hasn’t helped minority as promised 7 years ago; in fact, black Americans’ safety has deteriorated. Drinking water pollution in Flint, Michigan does not convince people about his promises either. Her administration does not seem to be reassuring over and above Obama’s.
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are the only candidates who have shown sincerity in fighting for people’s economic future as well as trustworthiness and honesty in pursuit of a political revolution of, by and for the people whose ardent wish of liberation has been dragged on for too long.
4
Trump is anti-Capital?
6
If Donald Trump is not anti-capital in words, his anti-establishment position implicitly means so, at least in part. Think of substances instead of superficialities. If he is pro-capital, why does the Washington, D.C. establishment want to stop him from getting the nomination? His capital-unfriendly and masses- caring tendency and outlook say a lot about why he is getting more votes than the other two candidates combined.
1
Don't fool yourself about Trump. The only thing he's interested in is the next business venture. He would forget everything, and everyone else as soon as he landed in the White House....which hopefully, he won't.
2
Please report the turnouts! And call out MSNBC for their interminable reporting that HRC had "won" the superdelegates. Ignoring the fact that the superdelegates are a blatantly undemocratic appendage to the Democratic Convention, they at least should 1. not endorse at all, and 2. not vote until the second round of balloting. Then, given their mission, they should vote for Sanders, who everyone knows does much better with Independents. The NY primary results are really quite misleading, as everyone should know.
5
Wow...the logic of your argument is fascinating. Superdelegates are undemocratic but should vote for Sanders. Why? What is misleading about the results in NYC? HRC won.
8
Kostyra
News Flash: NYC is not all of NY State. (Yes, Hillary got more votes total. Upstate she did not do so well. That part of the state does not love her so much.)
News Flash: NYC is not all of NY State. (Yes, Hillary got more votes total. Upstate she did not do so well. That part of the state does not love her so much.)
5
Clinton took New York City and 3 upstate counties. She won Erie County (Buffalo) by 307 votes, Monroe County (Rochester) by 2592 votes and Onandaga County (Syracuse) by 2340 votes.
But factor this in: In Erie County 30,305 registered Independent were not allowed to vote, Monroe County would not allow 21,941 Independent Party members to vote and Onandaga County barred 15,799 Independent Party voters.
Statewide 475,566 Independent Party voters were denied voting in an election decided by 284,605 votes.
To the Republican and Democrat Party Machines who are scratching their heads trying to figure out why everyone is upset with the Status Quo, read my numbers again and try to realize how your systematic erosion of our voting rights has upset everyone.
It is ironic that the very same Democrat Party who denied my vote will soon be asking for it in the Presidential election.
You will not get it.
But factor this in: In Erie County 30,305 registered Independent were not allowed to vote, Monroe County would not allow 21,941 Independent Party members to vote and Onandaga County barred 15,799 Independent Party voters.
Statewide 475,566 Independent Party voters were denied voting in an election decided by 284,605 votes.
To the Republican and Democrat Party Machines who are scratching their heads trying to figure out why everyone is upset with the Status Quo, read my numbers again and try to realize how your systematic erosion of our voting rights has upset everyone.
It is ironic that the very same Democrat Party who denied my vote will soon be asking for it in the Presidential election.
You will not get it.
10
Fine. This was a closed Democratic primary with rules well known and laid for decades. Voters registered as independent can vote in the general election in these states, they can register for one of the two major parties, or form their own independent party.
7
"It is ironic that the very same Democrat Party who denied my vote will soon be asking for it in the Presidential election. You will not get it."
OK then. Looks like the "irrationally bitter" demo is going for Trump. Surprise!
OK then. Looks like the "irrationally bitter" demo is going for Trump. Surprise!
10
It's the Democratic Party's election. There is no right to vote. That's the general election. Your stats might be good but your election knowledge is not-so-much.
12
The issue now isn't if HRC will be the nominee. She will simply because MSNBC, the last refuge of the liberal media, stated last night that that Sanders would have to win 66% of the remaining delegates in the upcoming state, and mostly "closed" primaries (awarded on a proportional basis) to even hope to catch up in the delegate race. They concluded he wouldn’t.
Moreover, if you also look at the map of upcoming primaries objectively, something I realize many disgruntled Sanders supporters are unwilling to do, it's just not going to happen. Hillary could die; remain on the ballot in the upcoming primaries; and still be nominated posthumously.
No, the real issue now is whether the Sanders campaign, and more particularly Jeff Weaver, are going to desist in their threats to have Bernie pull a Ted Cruz and allow his campaign to contact and attempt to influence already pledged Clinton delegates to change their vote. More importantly, Weaver now says that "Super Delegates" are fair game even though for months Sanders and his handlers pronounced these "designated" individuals as evil and whose positions should be eliminated by the DNC. Even when Hillary was losing the nomination to Obama in 2008, she or her campaign never entertained or publicly suggested such a divisive plan of attack.
If Sanders really wants to accepted as a member of the Democratic Party and it's nominee elected this November, he needs to put a muzzle on those in his campaign that are poisoning the well.
Moreover, if you also look at the map of upcoming primaries objectively, something I realize many disgruntled Sanders supporters are unwilling to do, it's just not going to happen. Hillary could die; remain on the ballot in the upcoming primaries; and still be nominated posthumously.
No, the real issue now is whether the Sanders campaign, and more particularly Jeff Weaver, are going to desist in their threats to have Bernie pull a Ted Cruz and allow his campaign to contact and attempt to influence already pledged Clinton delegates to change their vote. More importantly, Weaver now says that "Super Delegates" are fair game even though for months Sanders and his handlers pronounced these "designated" individuals as evil and whose positions should be eliminated by the DNC. Even when Hillary was losing the nomination to Obama in 2008, she or her campaign never entertained or publicly suggested such a divisive plan of attack.
If Sanders really wants to accepted as a member of the Democratic Party and it's nominee elected this November, he needs to put a muzzle on those in his campaign that are poisoning the well.
16
The well you speak of is a cesspool.
5
I can understand if some of Sanders' younger followers don't know that party primaries are where members of that party choose their candidates, rather than being events where anyone on the street chooses the party's candidate. They might not realize that they need to belong to a party to have a voice in how it's run or who is its head. They might think democrats should decide also who the republicans run, if they want to vote in that primary, and vice versa. But I have to think that Sanders himself certainly knows how the politics and laws work; and I'm disappointed and surprised that he is pretending not to know.
17
FOr all those who are still talking about media bias here are some facts for you:
"Study: Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, gets the most negative media coverage
Clinton has not only been hammered by the most negative coverage but the media also wrote the smallest proportion of positive stories about her, reports Crimson Hexagon, a social media software analytics company based out of Boston
Still, Sanders's supporters have widely accused the media of being in the tank for Clinton. And these numbers suggest that perception may not square with reality."
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders
No doubt the BS supporters will say the data is flawed. (rolling eyes). BS should be very, very glad he did not get attention from the media. In my opinion a gross injustice has been done to Hillary and how the media covered her. All we heard were negatives, NEVER an honest reporting of her life's work for children, women, and the poor. So much of the vitriol thrown at her is not even based on facts - simply a smear repeated over and over again and therefore taken up like a chant by those who oppose her and quite frankly too lazy to go looking for the truth.
I know I am not voting for a saint. I am voting for a wonderfully intelligent and capable woman who like me is flawed.
"Study: Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, gets the most negative media coverage
Clinton has not only been hammered by the most negative coverage but the media also wrote the smallest proportion of positive stories about her, reports Crimson Hexagon, a social media software analytics company based out of Boston
Still, Sanders's supporters have widely accused the media of being in the tank for Clinton. And these numbers suggest that perception may not square with reality."
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders
No doubt the BS supporters will say the data is flawed. (rolling eyes). BS should be very, very glad he did not get attention from the media. In my opinion a gross injustice has been done to Hillary and how the media covered her. All we heard were negatives, NEVER an honest reporting of her life's work for children, women, and the poor. So much of the vitriol thrown at her is not even based on facts - simply a smear repeated over and over again and therefore taken up like a chant by those who oppose her and quite frankly too lazy to go looking for the truth.
I know I am not voting for a saint. I am voting for a wonderfully intelligent and capable woman who like me is flawed.
22
A couple of observations:
The difference in number of delegates between Clinton and Sanders was 36, hardly a major game-changer.
The map of New York state is almost totally "green" for Sanders. Clinton won only in the largest metropolitan areas. I was also surprised to see more than a few spots of green in the map of New York City. This belies the rout that the headlines proclaimed.
The difference in number of delegates between Clinton and Sanders was 36, hardly a major game-changer.
The map of New York state is almost totally "green" for Sanders. Clinton won only in the largest metropolitan areas. I was also surprised to see more than a few spots of green in the map of New York City. This belies the rout that the headlines proclaimed.
13
Ma'am...You need to know that most of the green areas upstate are really pastures, forest and farms. In this case area is not equal to votes
15
Size of area does not matter - number of people matter. Thank God - otherwise Democratic candidates would never stand a chance.
10
Katherine , if in Utah, a candidate wins Salt Lake City, it's a good bet they don't need majorities in the desert or the mountains to win a state wide election.
7
Great win for Hillary last night, despite being outspent almost 2 to 1 in New York by Sanders. Sanders decided to go very negative and it cost him. New Yorkers showed loyalty to the real Democratic candidate...Hillary Clinton!
22
How come nobody is talking about or reporting this New York specific case of voter disenfranchisement?
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/19/474896027/after-more-than-100-000-voters-d...
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/19/474896027/after-more-than-100-000-voters-d...
7
Bernie will lose the respect and good will of his supporters if he makes the tragic mistake of supporting Clinton once she is nominated. Sanders had the strength of character to say NO to the disastrous Iraq invasion, despite overwhelming pressure. I hope he shows similar character and says NO--1000 times NO to Hillary, who would be a disastrous president, whose foreign policy is likely to make the Iraq genocide look like a minor skirmish.
10
Old Bernie's supporters will NEVER switch to Hillary.
They'll never become anti-Bernie:
https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699...
They'll never become anti-Bernie:
https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699...
6
Oh, that's just silly, and smacks of petulance. People do learn and evolve, and you can bet Clinton has learned much from her errors. It doesn't mean she will be perfect as president; just more circumspect, which is a good thing.
6
She learned so much from destroying Iraq and spreading incalculable human misery that she went on to repeat the regime-change process, with similarly catastrophic results, in Libya.
2
Nader ran as a 3rd party candidate in 2000, likely taking many more votes from Gore than Bush, and Bush won.
How is that the same as Bernie Sanders running in Democratic primaries against Hillary Clinton?
I think Bernie's critics are sincere but misguided. Don't worry, every Sanders supporter I know will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.
How is that the same as Bernie Sanders running in Democratic primaries against Hillary Clinton?
I think Bernie's critics are sincere but misguided. Don't worry, every Sanders supporter I know will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.
7
Not this one. Never.
2
Not so I know 3 that won't vote for her, my husband me and my daughter. I will never vote for anyone who voted for the Iraq war period.
5
I certainly don't feel I am "misguided."
Yes, I will back into the voting booth, holding my nose, and vote for HRC in Nov. Yet another year where I have to vote against someone, the GOP/Trump, and not for someone, Bernie. Hopefully the last time.
I will also work to get and support a true progressive to pick up the torch and build on the great foundation that Bernie has built. I regard HRC as the dying gasp of the DEM establishment. People are feed up, and the NY primary shows the extent of dissatisfaction with the establishment and HRC - not enough to win, but very significant. She is not the overwhelming choice of the people, not by a long shot.
Yes, I will back into the voting booth, holding my nose, and vote for HRC in Nov. Yet another year where I have to vote against someone, the GOP/Trump, and not for someone, Bernie. Hopefully the last time.
I will also work to get and support a true progressive to pick up the torch and build on the great foundation that Bernie has built. I regard HRC as the dying gasp of the DEM establishment. People are feed up, and the NY primary shows the extent of dissatisfaction with the establishment and HRC - not enough to win, but very significant. She is not the overwhelming choice of the people, not by a long shot.
1
Another two inepts bite the dust.Now the electorate will face a trumpet or a scammer as president
3
The Republican "leadership" must be a panel made up of idiots. Yes, looking at you, Lindsay Graham. Cruz was by far the worst horse for the "establishment" to back in what was always going to be a vain effort to stop Trump. His "appeal" is beyond limited in the general election. For months now polls have shown that only Kasich is remotely competitive in the general election, and he acts like a grown-up even if he, by and large, shares the repugnant views of his party. He was the only respectable and realistic choice for any Republican with a shred of integrity. Oh, wait . . .
8
Of course Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton won big in New York - that's where the money and power is. Besides, I'm not deterred in the slightest. I remember as if it were yesterday that many a voter and commentator thought Hillary was going to clean Barack Obama's clock . . . and we all know how that ended. Bernie may be down, but he is certainly not out. Losing in New York is a blow, but I have faith that the American voters will keep his campaign alive. At least I hope so.
10
Those races have almost nothing in common. Hillary was getting drubbed by Obama at this point in the race, this time around the front runner extended their lead.
There's only so many times you can declare "oh it's okay that Bernie lost this, this moral victory will be bolstered by actual victories in the future." There are a finite number of states.
There's only so many times you can declare "oh it's okay that Bernie lost this, this moral victory will be bolstered by actual victories in the future." There are a finite number of states.
10
Marge, Do they have different math in your community? Please look up the rules of the remaining primaries before commenting.
4
Yes, the average New York voter has a net worth of $8.6 million, and earns $1.4 million a year. How long are Bernie voters going to look for a million (if you will excuse the pun--perhaps I should say a billion) excuses to explain Bernie's loss.
3
Well, remember 2008. Clinton beat Obama in NYS by an almost identical amount. Lesson: NYS is a closed primary. Obama and Sanders drew and draw many independent voters. Factor those in and who knows who would have won. Point: Nothing, and I mean nothing, is decided yet.
15
We saw this episode last night, and again this morning. You guys can't leave it up indefinitely using the yuge comments tally as proof that people are really that interested. Already there's posting links to conspiracy proofs, next it'll be religious allegories. Then bunco health products: hair growth; growth of other body parts. Dating services, lawyers for immigrants. Isn't this what sank the comments sections on other sites?
6
So, according to the related article, now that Sanders has lost NY, instead of winning the rest of the states by 57% margins as he had to before this primary, he now needs to win by 58-59%. A long shot certainly, but not really worse than before, and many of the remaining states will likely be more favorable to him. I don't see him throwing in the towel just yet.
12
Not one mention of the fact that Bernie Sanders actually did better over Hillary Clinton last night in New York than Barack Obama did back in 2008.
20
Maybe because it isn't worth mentioning. What possible real world significance could that have?
8
Thanks, Perry. Great point.
3
Oh... just that he got more votes, narrowed the margin more, and picked up more delegates, that's all.
3
Many commenters here and elsewhere are complaining that the closed primary process in the Empire state is unfair to last minute deciders who want to vote for Bernie even though they are registered independents or Republicans, which election they cannot change a few days before the primary contest. In my view, it is a fair process and prevents subversion of democratic process.
I remember that, during 2008 primary contests between Hill and Barry, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin were counseling Republicans to vote for Hill in open primaries or change their party affiliation to Dems ahead of time in states like NY so that the contest between Barack and Hill will continue through June and so that neither candidate will have the time or resources to plan for the November contest against Republican.
NY State has the closed system it does to prevent this type of hijacking of democratic process. It is only fair that confirmed Democrats elect their nominees, not people whose positions change according to wind direction. In fact, Bernie is not a Democrat and he chose this affiliation because he knows that he had as much chance of prevailing in any national election as snowflake in hell.
Opportunism has no place in democracy that depends on informed decision making by committed electors.
I remember that, during 2008 primary contests between Hill and Barry, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin were counseling Republicans to vote for Hill in open primaries or change their party affiliation to Dems ahead of time in states like NY so that the contest between Barack and Hill will continue through June and so that neither candidate will have the time or resources to plan for the November contest against Republican.
NY State has the closed system it does to prevent this type of hijacking of democratic process. It is only fair that confirmed Democrats elect their nominees, not people whose positions change according to wind direction. In fact, Bernie is not a Democrat and he chose this affiliation because he knows that he had as much chance of prevailing in any national election as snowflake in hell.
Opportunism has no place in democracy that depends on informed decision making by committed electors.
19
@sonny
Agree. That 'closed-primary-conspiracy-theory' smacks of sheer desperation. Give it up.
Want to vote in a State's Primary??? -- Read the rules!
Agree. That 'closed-primary-conspiracy-theory' smacks of sheer desperation. Give it up.
Want to vote in a State's Primary??? -- Read the rules!
2
That's one step back for progress. If the Bern-ter did well in NY, I may consider voting for the truer progressive of the 2. Oh why New Yorkers, is not yet time to pick the "safe" choice, we can still have single payer!
7
Accusing Sanders and his supporters of trying hijack the party is incredibly short sighted and it seems to have become somewhat of a mantra. These are people with values and principles directly in line with the democratic party who have a different sense of urgency and strategy. They are also about 75% of the party's future constituency.
15
@rush
First of all. They aren't Democrats, because he's not a Democrat (unless you count 'Democrat-in-name-only)...So, what "party" are you talking about???
First of all. They aren't Democrats, because he's not a Democrat (unless you count 'Democrat-in-name-only)...So, what "party" are you talking about???
1
Look at the map of democratic voters in NYC. Manhattan is pretty much completely HRC blue. Not even NYU is Bernie green. Only a little blips around major public housing developments. Go figure.
3
It's possible those results owe more to voter registration status than it does overall level support for Sanders. But I have zero evidence to support that.
6
I guess Bernie's team forgot to tell college students to register as democrats back in october. Surely you could not have trusted them to know that by themselves...The state of college goers in the US ...the 'oops my bad' generation.
3
Congratulations to Hillary Clinton for her win in New York. For those of us of a certain age and gender who are tired about hearing the millennial enthusiasm for Bernie, we are quietly excited about our candidate too.
I would love to be able to truly tell my young niece that she can be anything she wants--including President of the United States.
I would love to be able to truly tell my young niece that she can be anything she wants--including President of the United States.
26
Your niece yes... Hillary, no...
9
Required reading for any Sander's supporter on why Bernie is a hoax and you have not done any real due diligence in vetting him.
https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699...
https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699...
13
Thanks for the link, nyalman! Amazing details, including this one:
"Sanders actually has spent over $16 million on Revolution Messaging, a company that trains interns to go onto sites and generate trolling posts."
I agree with everything the author says about Old Bernie. How well she explains it all.
"Sanders actually has spent over $16 million on Revolution Messaging, a company that trains interns to go onto sites and generate trolling posts."
I agree with everything the author says about Old Bernie. How well she explains it all.
7
I don't put much stock in the self-serving blatherings of Robin Alperstein, A HEDGE FUND MANAGER.
Go Bernie.
Go Bernie.
7
..turns out Alperstein is a major Wall Street defense attorney who defends individuals and corporations in insider trading, fraud, and class action lawsuits, including Goldman Sachs after the crash and large insurance companies.) It's utterly laughable to even entertain that this author ever liked Bernie Sanders.
https://www.facebook.com/PeopleForBernie/posts/1787825321437674
https://www.facebook.com/PeopleForBernie/posts/1787825321437674
5
The temptation
There it is
The love of throngs
A chance to lead a revolution
Purity uber allis
Maybe another chance
To meet the pope
Nader did it before
On to the barricades
With a third party
There it is
The love of throngs
A chance to lead a revolution
Purity uber allis
Maybe another chance
To meet the pope
Nader did it before
On to the barricades
With a third party
6
In speaking with members of the Greatest Generation in my neighborhood and in friendships around the country - many of whom are now in the nineties - their thoughts echo my own - that this is the worst election they have ever witnessed in their lifetimes. Call it lack of true and ethical leadership qualities, call it societal breakdown, call it lack of civics being taught in the classroom, etc., but there truly is no one I want to vote for in the fall. I suspect there will be many people who will not vote at all in November, just out of disgust with the whole election process and with the dearth of good candidates. I will vote for HRC if she is the Democratic candidate, but will hold my nose while doing so - for under no circumstances can we allow a Donald Trump to get a hold of the presidency - a horrible disaster for the country and the world.
7
To "SummerInTheCity in LA" I, on the contrary, will take a big, deep breath of fresh air as I vote for HRC.
15
I am a Bernie Bro. I donated $27 and I liked Bernie on FB.
Why is Bernie not a president already?
Why is Bernie not a president already?
10
I'm guessing you're not really a Bernie Bro as Bernie doesn't support the secession of Texas. Also the Bernie campaign doesn't accept confederate dollars.
6
Dear Millenials,
Giving Sanders likes in FB is not the same as voting for him.
You have to put down your phone and go vote, that's how you win.
Giving him endless likes will not make him President.
Giving Sanders likes in FB is not the same as voting for him.
You have to put down your phone and go vote, that's how you win.
Giving him endless likes will not make him President.
7
Brilliant satire, Ivan; well done!
Big deal, Trump and Clinton won their home states. It's no more impressive than Kasich 'winning' Ohio. The two most unpopular, disliked candidates in American history continue their lemming-like march to calamity (for the country) in November, while the MSM fawns over both.
15
You do realize lemmings migrate, but do not commit mass suicide.
That idea came from a Disney Oscar winning documentary, filmed in Canada, where the camera crew chased lemmings off a cliff, and filmed them falling to their dead for keks. This won them an Oscar.
That idea came from a Disney Oscar winning documentary, filmed in Canada, where the camera crew chased lemmings off a cliff, and filmed them falling to their dead for keks. This won them an Oscar.
2
nice
I love Hillary, too, and it's time for Bernie's people to support her. Consider what Bernie's mistake was: he's a singe issue candidate who never explained how he'll accomplish his huge economic change. Yes, the math adds up theoretically, but he never articulated how he would do this. Saying "the revolution will make it happen" is not enough!
It's time to stop splitting hairs and move on to elect a Democrat. Hillary's the complete package. And repeating the negative, GOP-created 'untrustworthy' nonsense is counter productive.
It's time to stop splitting hairs and move on to elect a Democrat. Hillary's the complete package. And repeating the negative, GOP-created 'untrustworthy' nonsense is counter productive.
22
Why would you encourage anyone to support a corrupt, unethical, warmongering, untrustworthy, pathological liar? Why would I want to support such a lousy excuse for a presidential candidate? Thanks, but no. Just....no.
8
Ottoline, is that you, Donald?
4
Do you know what trick your beloved Hillary cannot do?
Unite the party. That's trouble for the Dem Party
You know what else she can't do?
Get along with Russia and China. Or Iran. That's trouble for the entire world
Unite the party. That's trouble for the Dem Party
You know what else she can't do?
Get along with Russia and China. Or Iran. That's trouble for the entire world
11
Wealth wins, democracy defeated.
13
Sorry, as much as you'd like to write the obituary for Bernie Sanders' campaign, this is not a 'major' setback. Remember 2008 when Obama was badly beaten in NY (Sanders did great by comparison) and still won the nomination?
19
Ahhhh, minor difference was that Potus was winning at that moment, not behind, it wasn't a major setback for Bernie, that already happened months ago in Florida.
3
While Bernie Sanders heads back to Vermont to re-charge, he should ask his advisors why they felt they could forge a campaign largely restricted to social media. Sanders outspent Clinton 2:1 in NY in the final days before the primary. Some of that money would have been better spent waking up his base from their beer haze /partying and urging them to register as democrats back during Oktoberfest.
18
To the HRC supporters telling Sanders supporters to stop complaining and fall in line, do you genuinely think that's helpful? Also, please stop agitating for Sanders to drop out. I live in California and would like more than one candidate to choose from come June 7.
19
Thank you for your highly reasonable comment. Hillary's supporters are, it seems, fond of ill-thought-out coups.
11
It's time that all of you start doing something to create some kind of a dialogue, or we'll end up with a Republican demagogue in the White House.
1
Aren't there labor laws which require that even trolls have to get one day off each week ?
9
Yet, here you are.
2
Bernie Sanders didn't tell his people to register in time because he wasn't prepared. Unprepared... That was the conclusion of that infamous NY Daily News interview. Unprepared to lead this country. Unprepared without a detailed plan or strategy. He has no attention to details (note the hair and clothes), and that is a looming weakness for a presidential candidate.
18
There were very few "Bernie Sanders people" in October... The six month cutoff is undemocratic and protects the status quo candidates from outsiders... As do closed primaries...
1
Independents are free to vote for their own candidates in the General Election. However, it's Senator Sanders who DITCHED his party to become a democratic candidate. You had a whole year to register correctly and follow him.
2
Closed primaries keep the opposition from manipulating the primary.
1
If Bernie's appeal is his honesty, why is he slandering HRC with dishonest right wing talking points? More importantly, why does he insist that he has a path to the nomination, when in fact the numbers tell a very different story. How is his denial of 1+1 = 2 any different than Republican climate change denial? The simple fact is that last nights shellacking in NYS is final proof that Bernie has no chance at winning the nomination. I will be very disappointed if he does not re-focus the remainder of this campaign pointing his fire at the Republicans. Any more trashing of Clinton is an unforgivable betrayal of everything he says he stands for.
32
EVERYTHING Bernie has said about Hillary is true... In order to vote for Hillary, either you don't care about the truth, or you must ignore it...
11
@tom
What a damning generalization! -- But then, it just goes to show the kind of values Bernie is fostering. And why his ratings have dropped since he's gone negative with his campaign.
What a damning generalization! -- But then, it just goes to show the kind of values Bernie is fostering. And why his ratings have dropped since he's gone negative with his campaign.
3
Eight years ago, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were engaged in a hard-fought momentous struggle for the Democratic nomination. When Obama won the nomination, many of his most avid supporters were certain that Clinton would be bitter and difficult, and predicted that Hillary's loyal supporters would all abandon the Democrats.
But guess what. Hillary (and Bill) campaigned tirelessly for Obama's election. She asked her supporters to vote and work for Obama, and they did. (I was one.)
Hillary is a loyal Democrat who knows how to walk the talk in good times and bad. We'll see what kind of people Bernie and his supporters are.
But guess what. Hillary (and Bill) campaigned tirelessly for Obama's election. She asked her supporters to vote and work for Obama, and they did. (I was one.)
Hillary is a loyal Democrat who knows how to walk the talk in good times and bad. We'll see what kind of people Bernie and his supporters are.
27
You failed to mention that Barack Obama was an inspirational candidate without a history of poor judgement and corporate influence... Big difference...
10
Tom, you fail to mention that when Obama was running for president, when he saw what it takes to win, he did indeed accept corporate funding; inspirational or not, he had to live in the real world, and his willingness to do so lost him a good deal of the shiny stars in naive followers' eyes. But it won him the election.
5
JB: Your comment is an admission that the system is corrupt and needs to be fixed... Justifying the use of a corrupt system in order to win does nothing to correct it.
1
I am a democrat voting for Hillary Clinton. She will be the first female president of the United States. Free at last free at last....
24
To "Tom Hirons" in Portland, Oregon - I think I'm in love !! Great comment. Thank you.
8
She too deserves to be a man!
1
Indeed Manafort's influence on Trump's campaign is substantial and a home-run for Trump who needed to look and act more Presidential and let go of the puerile and demeaning attacks. Trump appears to be listening and learning. Particularly, surprised and pleased that during his speech last night he was backed by several influential businessmen who Trump says will be the guys if not negotiating, at least, providing the advice on economic and trade deals-- another home run for Trump who wisely took no questions, kept it focused and on message. It's always "the economy, stupid!" It also foretells that a Trump Administration will do business much differently and the Federal Government may go through a much needed transformation.
It's also time to start thinking about unifying the Republican, disaffected Democrat and Independent vote into his camp and he knows he needs to be presidential, thoughtful and restrained in his message. The RNC will have to come around and will have to support Trump and the time is now: Trump will be the Republican nominee and Kasich should be on the VP ticket. Kasich's experience in Washington as well as his thoughtful and calm nature would prove extremely valuable and important not only to a Trump candidate but also to a Trump Administration.
It's also time to start thinking about unifying the Republican, disaffected Democrat and Independent vote into his camp and he knows he needs to be presidential, thoughtful and restrained in his message. The RNC will have to come around and will have to support Trump and the time is now: Trump will be the Republican nominee and Kasich should be on the VP ticket. Kasich's experience in Washington as well as his thoughtful and calm nature would prove extremely valuable and important not only to a Trump candidate but also to a Trump Administration.
4
Great. It will be a closet liberal (Trump) running against a closet conservative (Clinton) in November.
12
And that is why Trump wins.
How about a Hillary/Bernie 2016 ticket. Everybody wins.
1
Not a chance - they are too old. If the both were to die or become incapacitated, then the Presidency goes to Paul Ryan. Uh uh!
3
Americans dropped God and religion like an egg on the floor. Democrat hillary will win because she is gender confused and will destroy the American Christian church and promote gender confused individuals.
1
Somehow, Don Quixote, I don't think that Hillary is the one confused here...
16
NY is closed primary - 27% of registered voters could not vote. That would cover the 15 point margin in this race.
It is a tragic historical irony that black and hispanic voters are providing the margins of victory to Clinton, a woman with a "super-preadotor" racist past who's supported mass incarceration, terminating Welfare (which hurt women and children), and deregulating the baks that caused the economic crash.
Remarkable, actually - it shows how corrupt the Black leadership class and the cravenly manipulate Democratic Party and their faux identity and racial machine politics.
It is a tragic historical irony that black and hispanic voters are providing the margins of victory to Clinton, a woman with a "super-preadotor" racist past who's supported mass incarceration, terminating Welfare (which hurt women and children), and deregulating the baks that caused the economic crash.
Remarkable, actually - it shows how corrupt the Black leadership class and the cravenly manipulate Democratic Party and their faux identity and racial machine politics.
12
Your post just shows the Bernie Bros problem - one of condescending white privilege. You truly don't believe minority voters can think? Really, Bill?
11
So the assumption is that all of the folks who had trouble voting would have voted for Bernie? And that assumption is based on???
This is the trouble for the bern folks in a nutshell - no math, no facts, can get in the way of the righteous.
This is the trouble for the bern folks in a nutshell - no math, no facts, can get in the way of the righteous.
3
Oh, and by the way - Bernie voted FOR the crime bill. Thrice. And then campaigned on that vote, so he'd look tough on crime. And used other words - "deeply sociopathic" people who "need to be locked away".
Pesky facts, pesky facts.
Pesky facts, pesky facts.
4
Regarding Ted Cruz, where is he now? Maybe Trump was right all along...Ted is a low-energy fellow.
1
I have lost all respect for Mr. Sanders based on his increasingly negative campaign and the personal attack focus he has turned to. His "kindly old Uncle Bernie" persona has morphed into "what a nasty old codger he really is". Had he stayed focused on issues, I could have disagreed but respected him. Now, I see him for what he apparently really is... someone willing to do the GOP's dirty work for them by assailing HRC's character and engaging in character assassination. Not classy!
19
And Hillary hasn't engaged in character assassination and is not doing the dirty work of Debbie Wasserman Schultz's DNC? Please.
8
I bet it makes slick Teddy Cruz sick to his stomach every time he has to smile for the camera and make nice. He is a duplicitous weasel who can only wish he had some New York values. Having everyone in Congress hate him does not mean he is a Washington outsider.
9
I am a lawyer in Washington DC, and I work on Capitol Hill.
Nobody likes Ted Cruz in this town BECAUSE he's an insider. If you need proof, look at the sleaze tactics he's using behind closed doors with establishment GOP elite and the RNC operatives/donors.
Nobody likes Ted Cruz in this town BECAUSE he's an insider. If you need proof, look at the sleaze tactics he's using behind closed doors with establishment GOP elite and the RNC operatives/donors.
3
I am heartbroken by Sanders lost, even more I am saddened by comments of the victorious voters who keep on attacking Sanders and his supporters while claiming victimhood.
It means they don't want free public colleges because they are as afraid as Clinton is that Trump would send his children (well grandchildren there). It means that they don't want survivable health insurance and a are heppy with the most cumbersome and expensive system in the civilized world. It means that they don't want balanced politics in the Middle East. It means that they reject higher taxes on super rich for better public education and transportation. It means they are happy with gigantic banks getting into bankruptcy at the taxpayer expense. Mostly, they don't want $15 minimum wage (at least not for the workers from the poorer states since they have already assured that they will get $15 in New York State.) They don't want to set challenging goals for the whole country. They don't want their energized children and grandchildren to have say in what kind of society the want to live in 10, 20 years from now. They want SUPERPACS to pay for elections. They want to keep Citizens United intact. They are my neighbors and my friends. They are Americans.
It means they don't want free public colleges because they are as afraid as Clinton is that Trump would send his children (well grandchildren there). It means that they don't want survivable health insurance and a are heppy with the most cumbersome and expensive system in the civilized world. It means that they don't want balanced politics in the Middle East. It means that they reject higher taxes on super rich for better public education and transportation. It means they are happy with gigantic banks getting into bankruptcy at the taxpayer expense. Mostly, they don't want $15 minimum wage (at least not for the workers from the poorer states since they have already assured that they will get $15 in New York State.) They don't want to set challenging goals for the whole country. They don't want their energized children and grandchildren to have say in what kind of society the want to live in 10, 20 years from now. They want SUPERPACS to pay for elections. They want to keep Citizens United intact. They are my neighbors and my friends. They are Americans.
16
As far as "free college for everyone" is concerned, it is generally accepted that an IQ of at least 110 is required to do college level work. That means that over 55% of all high school students can not do college level work unless the courses are dumbed down to match their IQ level.
Even the EU countries that provide "free college" restrict this to those who can pass the entrance exams.
Even the EU countries that provide "free college" restrict this to those who can pass the entrance exams.
9
To "marysia" in MA - I don't like the negative comments coming from either group of supporters - please don't imply they are just coming from HRC supporters against Sanders. It's all wrong - we are all in this together and need to vote for the eventual Democrat nominee. HRC did the same thing in 2008 when she lost the nomination to Obama - she supported him as the Democratic nominee.
8
Marysia,
Thank you for your well-reasoned comments. I don't think that many Hillary supporters can think past the fact that she is a woman to the consequences of actually having her as a president - a disdainer of the working class who has no interest in providing universal healthcare, or a decent education for anyone but the rich. Not to mention all the trillions of dollars she will continue to pour into foreign wars and regime change, and the suppression and murder of innocent children and women (whom I guess her supporters care nothing about, since such victims are neither wealthy nor American). I despise Trump, but I am more afraid of a Clinton presidency (and will vote for neither).
Thank you for your well-reasoned comments. I don't think that many Hillary supporters can think past the fact that she is a woman to the consequences of actually having her as a president - a disdainer of the working class who has no interest in providing universal healthcare, or a decent education for anyone but the rich. Not to mention all the trillions of dollars she will continue to pour into foreign wars and regime change, and the suppression and murder of innocent children and women (whom I guess her supporters care nothing about, since such victims are neither wealthy nor American). I despise Trump, but I am more afraid of a Clinton presidency (and will vote for neither).
5
"President Trump." Get used to the sound of it, libs.
5
I honestly truly think that if the outcast votes of those purged and those voting independent were included, the margin between Sanders and Clinton would have been quite thin. After all Brooklyn was purged of 126,000 voters and Brooklyn is Bernie's home state. Also surprised to see that Bernie lost Queens and the Bronx (he is a stronger supporter for single-payer healthcare) where a majority lives in poverty. This was a tremendous upset for the Sanders campaign, he needed to win those delegates: he either needs to start grabbing states 70/30 or he's not getting the nomination. Not surprised that many are saying they'll vote for Trump if Hillary gets the nomination, after all it is politics.
9
...except Brooklyn is not a state, and Clinton won Brooklyn anyway.
Sanders supporters who say they'll vote Trump if it's Hillary aren't true progressives and aren't smart enough to know the damage they are doing.
Sanders supporters who say they'll vote Trump if it's Hillary aren't true progressives and aren't smart enough to know the damage they are doing.
12
The poor people who live in Queens and the Bronx are already covered nicely by the ACA. We should be scared to death that if Bernie won, the ACA would be dismantled to take the risk of single payer being passed, which any reasonably thinking person knows will never happen in this country in our lifetime.
6
Hillary vanquished Bernie a long time ago. Bernie's wins at the caucuses did not get him closer to her in terms of delegates nor popular vote. Hillary is now 2.6 million votes ahead and still more than 200 delegates ahead, and he will not catch up because Math doesn't play politics.
Bernie should drop out. All he is doing by staying in the race is collecting millions to pay his staffers, advertisers, media outlets, and travel for a few more weeks but not one penny is advancing any of the issues he so eloquently brought to the public forum when he began. He's become an attack dog, and so have his surrogates as have his followers. That's not revolution, that's annoying.
He has been successful among some people in the character assassination of Hillary. That's disgraceful.
Bye, bye Bernie.
Bernie should drop out. All he is doing by staying in the race is collecting millions to pay his staffers, advertisers, media outlets, and travel for a few more weeks but not one penny is advancing any of the issues he so eloquently brought to the public forum when he began. He's become an attack dog, and so have his surrogates as have his followers. That's not revolution, that's annoying.
He has been successful among some people in the character assassination of Hillary. That's disgraceful.
Bye, bye Bernie.
14
Well, I guess "New York Values" carried the day -- which only goes to reinforce the commitment of those of us who abhor them to carry on the battle...
1
I am amazed that the chattering class makes no mention over the simple math in the New York results. Trump would get killed in a general election by either Clinton or Sanders. How does a man who got 1/2 the number of votes Hillary Clinton received think he is going to win in November? But then again the Republicans have been living in a fantasy world for decades now; where everyone is a lily white, conservative, capitalist billionaire; Right?!
8
I am not a Trump fan (Kaisich is my guy) but if he is our nominee I will support him 100%. The beautiful thing from my tired eyes is that there are going to be 2 givens in this election in November.
1. The millennial's that have been the majority of the Bernie supporters do not like Hillary and will be disappointed when she is the Liberal nominee and thus, as newbies, will not vote en masse when the time comes
2. The black vote, who where such a huge supporter of Obama, will also not turn out for Hillary, no matter how many times she panders to them with her poorly honed skills of changing her oratorical deliveries or by telling folks what she carries in her purse..
November looks really good for the GOP to get the WH back and get jobs, lower taxes, smaller government into the endeavors and successes that we so desperately need.
Thank you
1. The millennial's that have been the majority of the Bernie supporters do not like Hillary and will be disappointed when she is the Liberal nominee and thus, as newbies, will not vote en masse when the time comes
2. The black vote, who where such a huge supporter of Obama, will also not turn out for Hillary, no matter how many times she panders to them with her poorly honed skills of changing her oratorical deliveries or by telling folks what she carries in her purse..
November looks really good for the GOP to get the WH back and get jobs, lower taxes, smaller government into the endeavors and successes that we so desperately need.
Thank you
5
Yes, Chaz, because the economy does so much better under republicans (lol).
Haven't you people learned your lesson?
Haven't you people learned your lesson?
6
One of the reasons Hillary gets the black vote is because she wants to continue Obama's policies.
5
@julie
So, are you somehow insinuating that Hillary has no worthy policies of her own? --or that Blacks will vote for her just because Obama is the first Black President?
So, are you somehow insinuating that Hillary has no worthy policies of her own? --or that Blacks will vote for her just because Obama is the first Black President?
New York Democrats supported a standard-bearer who:
*actively opposed gay marriage for 13 years;
*supported the Republicans' disastrous war in Iraq;
*opposed the bankruptcy bill, which benefitted financial institutions at
the expense of struggling families;
*sat on a corporate board and remained silent while they worked out their
union-busting plans; and
*refused to back the Fight for 15 at the federal level, leaving that work for
others;
*pressured a NY Governor to back off a plan to give drivers' licenses to
the undocumented;
*takes in large sums of corporate cash
New York Democrats can claim they are tolerant and progressive all they want, but look at what they settle for. If this is the Democratic Party in 2016, its time for real progressives to look elsewhere.
*actively opposed gay marriage for 13 years;
*supported the Republicans' disastrous war in Iraq;
*opposed the bankruptcy bill, which benefitted financial institutions at
the expense of struggling families;
*sat on a corporate board and remained silent while they worked out their
union-busting plans; and
*refused to back the Fight for 15 at the federal level, leaving that work for
others;
*pressured a NY Governor to back off a plan to give drivers' licenses to
the undocumented;
*takes in large sums of corporate cash
New York Democrats can claim they are tolerant and progressive all they want, but look at what they settle for. If this is the Democratic Party in 2016, its time for real progressives to look elsewhere.
21
Please, show us exactly where Clinton "actively opposed gay marriage".
The Iraq fiasco post 9/11 was just that, a fiasco that many, many democrats in office regret. They were lied to. We were all lied to.
FYI, Clinton and Sanders voted the same 93% of the time. So if you don't like the way Clinton voted, you can't turn around and say you are aligned to how Sanders voted.
Stop lying. It just makes you look desperate.
The Iraq fiasco post 9/11 was just that, a fiasco that many, many democrats in office regret. They were lied to. We were all lied to.
FYI, Clinton and Sanders voted the same 93% of the time. So if you don't like the way Clinton voted, you can't turn around and say you are aligned to how Sanders voted.
Stop lying. It just makes you look desperate.
10
Well, since Bill Clinton signed the DOMA, The Defense of Marriage Act, which his wife actually supported as well.....
2
PatBlueRibbon is not lying - but you are. Anyone can look up the ghastly facts about Hillary in the space of a few minutes. She did actively oppose gay marriage - every informed individual knows that. Do keep up. And Hillary ("founding member of ISIS" - one of the only honest characterizations I have ever heard come out of a Republican's mouth) is at least partially responsible for the post-9/11 fiasco. She simply has very poor judgement. That's what happens when every decision you make is based on how you can profit from the outcome.
1
Why no mention of the many "irregularities" that denied thousands upon thousands of people the right to vote and resulted in an irrevocably tainted election? Stories that ignore major facts reflect badly upon the newspaper that publishes them. Sadly, many of us have given up on objective reporting from the NYT.
14
I am a dormant voter and a firm believer that the system is rigged and the voting process is for the legitimization of the electoral process.... In New York, a bastion of liberalism, the voting process caters to the monopolies of the two parties. Independent are precluded. This election cycle we saw the insurmountable odds that Senator Sanders had to overcome; super-delegates; distribution of delegates unfairly to the Clinton camp and removing of 100,000 voters from the voting rolls in Brooklyn. In fact, even before the first primary, Hillary was awarded over 500 super-delegates. Sanders has brought enthusiasm and hope for the first time voters; he has exposed Clinton's compromised position with her close ties to Wall street... After continuous assaults on both the system and candidate Clinton, it would be incredulous for Sanders supporters to align with Hillary who epitomizes all that is wrong with the electoral process!
13
She wasn't "awarded" super delegates. She went and asked them for their support. Sanders did the same. A few said yes to him, more said yes to Clinton, some still haven't declared.
How is that unfair?
I am worried about the misinformation in your posting, and hope you didn't get it from the sanders campaign.
How is that unfair?
I am worried about the misinformation in your posting, and hope you didn't get it from the sanders campaign.
5
@ Lisa, Hillary has been disingenuous , calculating, distrustful a ad dishonest. Her attacks on Bernie have been dishonest and esocounched in sophistry, prevarication and hyperbole. She is non committed to issue and is swayed by public opinion. Bernie has been forthright and steady with his opinions and beliefs. Clinton is dishonest, disliked and disconnected from ordinary Americans. If Hillary were a man he would be mediocore!
@xanich
In your hagiography of Bernie Sanders, you neglect to mention the fact that he has gone distinctly negative in his campaign of late-- and so much so, that he has even lost the support of people who once voted for him.
But of course, this is all Clinton's doing, right???
In your hagiography of Bernie Sanders, you neglect to mention the fact that he has gone distinctly negative in his campaign of late-- and so much so, that he has even lost the support of people who once voted for him.
But of course, this is all Clinton's doing, right???
1
Why is there such a discrepancy between the exit polls (52% to 48%) and the end result?
"Around the world, exit polls have been used to verify the integrity of elections. The United States has funded exit polls in Eastern Europe to detect fraud. Discrepancies between exit polls and the official vote count have been used to successfully overturn election results in Ukraine, Serbia, and Georgia."
http://electiondefensealliance.org/frequently_asked_questions_about_exit...
"Around the world, exit polls have been used to verify the integrity of elections. The United States has funded exit polls in Eastern Europe to detect fraud. Discrepancies between exit polls and the official vote count have been used to successfully overturn election results in Ukraine, Serbia, and Georgia."
http://electiondefensealliance.org/frequently_asked_questions_about_exit...
8
Reality check before we call it win lets see facts .How many people actually voted an why the shift an hours for majority of countys Lets see facts before we call a win for voters
3
The time has come for Bernie to drop out and unite the party by supporting Hillary. The focus now needs to be defeating Trump and his three-ring circus in Nov. Congrats Hillary for a great win in New York.
6
Mark R.
Hillary did not drop out in 2008, so why should Bernie drop out now?
So we can vote for Republican-lite Hillary who is running for Barack Obama's third term? (He could have rammed all sorts of legislation thorugh during his first year, while he had a majority on the house and 60 votes - including Bernie Sanders' vote - in the Senate.) But was he FDR? Nah. He was Bill Clinton. Obama tried to reason with people who openly despise him, and who made that plain. THAT is just plain stupid. (Look at how many of Obama's advisors were holdovers from WJC's administration.) Did the Obama administration even try any of the Wall Street crooks? No. Angleo Mozillo got away with a slap on the wrist after crashing Countrywide. The AIG guys got away with the economic equivalent of murder. Guess what a Presdient Hillary Clinton will do. What Bill Clinton would have done, but with less polish.
If Hillary is the nominee, I will vote (D), with ZERO enthusiasm, to prevent the (R)s from filling the Supreme Court with a bunch of reactionary Justices. Not a vote FOR Hillary, but rather a vote AGAINST whichever (R) is their nominee. I am not suicidal.
Hillary did not drop out in 2008, so why should Bernie drop out now?
So we can vote for Republican-lite Hillary who is running for Barack Obama's third term? (He could have rammed all sorts of legislation thorugh during his first year, while he had a majority on the house and 60 votes - including Bernie Sanders' vote - in the Senate.) But was he FDR? Nah. He was Bill Clinton. Obama tried to reason with people who openly despise him, and who made that plain. THAT is just plain stupid. (Look at how many of Obama's advisors were holdovers from WJC's administration.) Did the Obama administration even try any of the Wall Street crooks? No. Angleo Mozillo got away with a slap on the wrist after crashing Countrywide. The AIG guys got away with the economic equivalent of murder. Guess what a Presdient Hillary Clinton will do. What Bill Clinton would have done, but with less polish.
If Hillary is the nominee, I will vote (D), with ZERO enthusiasm, to prevent the (R)s from filling the Supreme Court with a bunch of reactionary Justices. Not a vote FOR Hillary, but rather a vote AGAINST whichever (R) is their nominee. I am not suicidal.
12
Well said. Thank you.
1
It is my sincerest hope that if Hillary Clinton wins the democratic nomination, Donald Trump is the next president of the United States. If the American people are really stupid enough to pass on Bernie Sanders, then they deserve entertaining ruination at the tiny hands of the craziest man ever to enter a presidential race.
11
This small thinking has real life consequences, you realize this, no? Ask the millions of underprivileged people who will have access to needed services cut off if a republican wins. The first thing Bush did when he took office was reinstate the Global Gag Rule. The first thing Obama did was lift it.
You Bernie bros seem more and more naive.
Calling people who don't think like you 'stupid' is ironic.
You Bernie bros seem more and more naive.
Calling people who don't think like you 'stupid' is ironic.
11
"And his speech sounded more presidential than any other he has given on an election night — a focused, tightened message about trade and the economy as he prepares to campaign in states hit hard by manufacturing industry losses."
ummm.... no, just because he refrained from name calling and rebel rousing does not make Trump's speech "presidential". it was still as "amazingly" nonsensical as ever, especially when compared a few minutes later with HRC speech.
ummm.... no, just because he refrained from name calling and rebel rousing does not make Trump's speech "presidential". it was still as "amazingly" nonsensical as ever, especially when compared a few minutes later with HRC speech.
5
If there was a way to create a data base of all people who voted for Trump, it would be a gold mine for advertising and data mining. Every ad for financial schemes, miracle opportunities, easy solutions, "weird tricks", magic diet pills, etc. would do many times better than putting it in front of the general population. Same data base for Sanders voters, would be a gold mine for the charities and NGOs, regardless of their worth.
3
Here's a thought for Bernie and his bros: had Sanders run for President as an Independent, wouldn't those Independents in the NY primary have then been eligible to vote? And hasn't Bernie said, multiple times, that he chose to switch parties only for the money -- money & resources he would need to make his run for POTUS? So Bernie Sanders contributed directly to DISENFRANCHISING VOTERS so he could get the money he needed to fulfill his own ambition. Sounds like Wall ST to me!
14
“Bernie Sanders got very negative attacking Hillary Clinton and dividing the party in New York exactly, on the other hand John Kaisich is only promoting himself without much rather any negativity toward his other two rivals.
Mr. Bernie Sanders needs to borrow a page from the Republican Governor John Kasich and stop doing Republican`s dirty work.
Mr. Bernie Sanders needs to borrow a page from the Republican Governor John Kasich and stop doing Republican`s dirty work.
12
I will never be able to vote for the lying Clinton, who is entrenched in archaic out of date thinking, shady deals, and on an ego run, who has for the most part failed at every government position she has held. She was a huge supporter of the Iraq war. She was a supporter of sending arms, weapons, and assistance to the organisation that became ISIS. She now claims to have a strategy to defeat ISIS. She is not the president and yet she claims to have this strategy, when she hasn't even consulted other nations leaders, who are dealing with ISIS terrorist first hand. Her arrogance, coupled with her out of date thinking is dangerous at best.
9
Barbara, are you daring to say that she is not a qualified candidate? In public?
Oh my, you are soooo offensive.
Oh my, you are soooo offensive.
4
Barbara...your wildly inaccurate unsubstanciated myopic assumptions and innuendos are breathtakingly embarrassing. Do a bit of research (watching Fox doesn't count). Really, like Bernie, you need to do your homework.
4
This is what jumps out to me: Hillary got more than twice the number of Trump votes. Bernie got more votes than Trump and Kasich combined. Hillary and Bernie together got more than twice the number of votes of all three Republicans.
2
Mystery solved Einstein- It's a closed primary and registered Republicans are vastly outnumbered by registered Democrats.
8
It's not hard to foretell the future in 2017 (these days, the future is getting to be smaller and shorter). That is, that America will become, as it was in 1939, isolationist, and blind to the rest of the world. It will be self-supporting, and maintain the protection of a firewall. Gone will be the day of Obama's attempt to be remembered as a statesman, just like a Neville Chamberlain of 1939's England. As for the rest of the world? Wait and see if they sit still. (Good luck with that.)
1
The longer Sanders stays in the race, the more the millennials need to borrow money from their parents for their beer-bongs and Jagermeister shots. So, if Bernie cares about his myrmidons, he will quit.
9
Shocking. Undemocratic. I couldn't vote, either.
"The Democratic vote was marred by major irregularities at polling places across Brooklyn. The city comptroller’s office announced that the Board of Elections had confirmed that more than 125,000 Democratic voters in Brooklyn were dropped between November and this month, while about 63,000 were added — a net loss that was not explained.
Mayor Bill de Blasio described “the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters,” while the comptroller, Scott Stringer, said his office would audit the Board of Elections."
"The Democratic vote was marred by major irregularities at polling places across Brooklyn. The city comptroller’s office announced that the Board of Elections had confirmed that more than 125,000 Democratic voters in Brooklyn were dropped between November and this month, while about 63,000 were added — a net loss that was not explained.
Mayor Bill de Blasio described “the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters,” while the comptroller, Scott Stringer, said his office would audit the Board of Elections."
6
To Clinton's supporters: If you truly believe that it's time to unify Democrats and independent progressives for the good of the country, then lead by example. It's much easier to be a gracious winner than a gracious loser.
A good start would be to stop the demeaning pot-shots at Sanders' supporters. There are some real reasons why a back-bench Senator from a small New England state has been able to pose such a significant (and still marginally viable) challenge to a candidate who was virtually anointed by the party establishment before anyone voted.
Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council gave us 8 years of tactical retreat on progressive values, and left a stage that was ripe for George W. Bush -- who Hillary Clinton was ineffective in opposing. Now that Barack Obama has finally gotten us back on the right track, many long-time Democrats like myself are not excited about the return of the Clintons, even if it seems inevitable.
If Clinton wins the nomination, I'll vote for her in November. But I still have one chance to vote for someone else before then, and I'm entitled to use it.
If you support Clinton and want to rally support to her for the general election, please focus on a positive, unifying message. And meanwhile, so long as Clinton hasn't secured the majority of pledged delegates, respect the right of Sanders' supporters to support the candidate who best exemplifies their values.
A good start would be to stop the demeaning pot-shots at Sanders' supporters. There are some real reasons why a back-bench Senator from a small New England state has been able to pose such a significant (and still marginally viable) challenge to a candidate who was virtually anointed by the party establishment before anyone voted.
Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council gave us 8 years of tactical retreat on progressive values, and left a stage that was ripe for George W. Bush -- who Hillary Clinton was ineffective in opposing. Now that Barack Obama has finally gotten us back on the right track, many long-time Democrats like myself are not excited about the return of the Clintons, even if it seems inevitable.
If Clinton wins the nomination, I'll vote for her in November. But I still have one chance to vote for someone else before then, and I'm entitled to use it.
If you support Clinton and want to rally support to her for the general election, please focus on a positive, unifying message. And meanwhile, so long as Clinton hasn't secured the majority of pledged delegates, respect the right of Sanders' supporters to support the candidate who best exemplifies their values.
13
Well said, Joel. Best comment of the day.
2
Yes, with the Clinton machine in power, of course she won there. And as to the "limits" of Sanders' message, is it the NYT's position that there are human beings with messages that are unlimited?
2
No surprise that the 2 Republican front runners won their home state easily. Donald and Hillary are basically the same- super rich and out of touch with the average person and the real issues people face daily. I don't care what the media and pundits say. No one should get out of the race until all the states have casted their votes. I still don't have a favorite or really excited about this election cycle this year. #NobodyFor2016
4
Pretty sad that in a state whose population is 19,750,000 people, the total votes cast amounted to only 13.5% of the population (2,666,381 total votes, Dem & Rep). I guess we are going to get the government that we deserve. Does anybody care?
7
Deciding not to align with either party, for which ever of the numerous reasons for not doing so, is hardly the same as not caring.
3
I seem to recall that Senator Ted has a bit of a "Princess Bride," fixation, even if it was made by the Arch Liberal of Hollywood, New Yorkers, commies, Sean Penn's first wife, cross-dressing musical comedy stars, giants, and immigrants.
So after last night, Senator, I wish you...
Humiliations galore.
So after last night, Senator, I wish you...
Humiliations galore.
3
To those who claim that the difference between Bernie and HRC is that he is a "public servant" and she is a "politician" I ask: whom has Bernie served? How has he served anyone? What has he gotten accomplished? The concept of Bernie is refreshing; the reality is that he has not achieved anything of note for anyone. Say what you will (and it has all been said): HRC has sponsored and passed several pieces of legislation, she has repaired the nations reputation after Bush destroyed it and her fingerprints are all over every single foreign policy achievement of Obama's presidency (from Iran to Cuba to global women's rights initiatives). And don't forget that for 25 years she has been in the forefront of health care reform -- at her great personal peril (she was endlessly vilified by the right as first lady, but still helped put together SCHIPP). I do not like her personally, but comparing the records of both candidates I can't see the logic (I get the heart) in voting for Bernie. Many tout his accomplishments as Burlington's Mayor; many point to co-sponsored proposed bills that were no brainers (VA benefits). But far more people talk about all the things Bernie opposed and voted NO on. Head says Hillary. Heart says Bernie. I'm sticking with my head.
13
The real shakeup here is Bernie taking a chapter from the Republican playbook and spewing as much venom as he can to save his campaign. Once he started down that path he not only lost me, but a lot of voters. Here's the funny part those who are fanatically dedicated to him have sworn they will not vote with Hillary if he loses. Like spoiled children they will have a temper tantrum and help the GOP win. If that happens then they deserve whatever absolute destruction that new Republican Prez unleashes on them.
15
Garbage. Bernie has given fair critiques of Clinton and her supporters are just too weak to handle the truth. HRC has been much more unfair in her comments towards Sanders. Also- check the exit polls on the NYTs. 18% of Hillary supporters would not vote for Bernie in the general vs 12% the other way around. Get a clue.
3
Why has eight former US treasury secretaries taken the disrespectful liberty to write to the UK Times to back this country staying in the EU, and Obama will be the next one to do it, may I respectfully say and ask that what happens in this country has nothing to do with them so please butt out we don't need their opinion, none of them know the EU problems or the position of Britain in it, how would they like it if British politicians backed open borders with Mexico and Canada and an economic and political union that all three decide what and how you do things, it's not going to happen is it, so tell Obama and the others to shut up and butt out.
2
Remaining in the EU makes it easier for your businesses to move money and products across the globe. Many of your business leaders are interested in knowing whether the United States would initiate a trade agreement with the UK if it were no longer a member of the EU. Many business analysts on our side of the pond have indicated the answer to that question would more than likely be no. Perhaps no one is trying to influence your politics, only provide you with information from our end so that you can have all information necessary before making a decision.
And if I recall correctly, Parliament held a hearing on whether or not to ban Donald Trump from the UK? I'm no Trump supporter, but it seems that the UK has tried to reach its influence into our affairs as well. Our countries are very close allies and we only gain to benefit from hearing each others opinions. Of course, take them with a grain of salt; but there is no harm in hearing the potential international outcomes of your decision on whether to leave or stay in the EU.
And if I recall correctly, Parliament held a hearing on whether or not to ban Donald Trump from the UK? I'm no Trump supporter, but it seems that the UK has tried to reach its influence into our affairs as well. Our countries are very close allies and we only gain to benefit from hearing each others opinions. Of course, take them with a grain of salt; but there is no harm in hearing the potential international outcomes of your decision on whether to leave or stay in the EU.
1
There was no easy victor for Hillary last night in NY. Based on the primary election results from the NY Times online, she lost mostly the entire upstate region except for Buffalo, Syracuse, and the Rochester urban centers where the Democratic Party controls its power there. The rest of the state was Sanders country. This is a positive net gain for Sanders, given how the media keeps drumming negative stories against him with no facts to back their claims up. Upstate New Yorkers should be very grateful that they didn't fell into the mentally deranged world of Clinton supporters and her surrogates who are trying to undermine, and bully their way to the Democratic convention in Philadelphia.
As for Sanders, he needs to market himself to primary voters in PA, OR, and CA that upstate NY was a win for him despite loosing the entire NY primary to Hillary, and present the evidence that the Democratic front runner candidate is only representing an elite wing of the party cocoon on a small plot of real estate on Manhattan Island embedded with money interests coming from Wall Street. Let's face it here: there are two New Yorkers and two Democratic Parties unzipped last night in the Democratic Primary.
As for Sanders, he needs to market himself to primary voters in PA, OR, and CA that upstate NY was a win for him despite loosing the entire NY primary to Hillary, and present the evidence that the Democratic front runner candidate is only representing an elite wing of the party cocoon on a small plot of real estate on Manhattan Island embedded with money interests coming from Wall Street. Let's face it here: there are two New Yorkers and two Democratic Parties unzipped last night in the Democratic Primary.
8
A win for Panem last night.
The people of New York have spoken, and they would clearly rather have more celebrity golf courses, penthouses, and build fences, rather than repair our crumbling bridges, create more affordable housing, or prevent the rising sea from eventually claiming their great city.
7
Doubtless GOP strategists are licking their chops in hopes that the democratic presidential nominee will be Sanders, a candidate in his 70s, a self declared socialist and soon to be labelled a fervent communist (a lethal dog whistle for sure). He will be pummelled by Trump mercilessly. At least Clinton knows well how to fight such aggressive no holds barred right wing attacks. Sanders will be a sitting duck unfortunately, and his bid is likely to fail given a fickle low information electorate that put a bunch of gleeful stalwart GOP obstructionists in power not once but twice since 2010.
12
The best news is that Bernie did as well as he did. He really took the lead in the lower population areas of New York State. I am amazed at his ability to resonate to voters with the message of change. We haven't seen this kind of movement since the Kennedy days. No matter what happens, the system is changing. He demonstrates daily that the population has a strong voice and does not have to rely on Deep Pocket-types. He and Trump are both pointing out flaws in the system which at present eliminate the individual from the power of his or her vote.
10
New York has crowned two of its own, King and Queen. As, a Bernie supporter I'm, of course, very disappointed, but political reality demands that he and his supporters now focus on making the Democratic Party platform as progressive as possible and pushing for a progressive like Sherrod Brown or Elizabeth Warren and her running mate. As it now stands, Bernie still can get many more delegates, but the price may be to so diminish Sec. Clinton as to ensure a Trump victory this fall, unless the Republicans do the Democrats the favor of pursuing their Dump Trump strategy to the point where he has to run as a third party. As much as I have problems with Sec. Clinton--on the minimum wage, regime change in Syria, and keeping us out of another expensive war in the Middle East, I'd rather have her appointing the next Supreme Court justice, dealing with Wall Street, health care, and most social issues than any Republican.
9
The good news is that polls indicate that most Sanders voters will support Hillary. There is no doubt that Sanders attracts many very unhappy people who love to write incendiary comments on message boards and love to deluge information outlets with their litany of grievances. For some reason, these sad people have determined that every dismantlement in their private life will be resolved if Bernie is elected president. And, they will go an vote for whomever and their vote will not matter. The vast majority of the Sanders supporters actually will support Hillary. The best evidence-based data driven view is that Hillary will win the nomination and will trounce Trump or Cruz. If it is therapeutic for a small segment of Sanders voters to yell into the wind, so be it, but they should know that they are statistically irrelevant. Most Sanders supporters are rational actors.
11
@Christian:
Yes, most Sanders supporters are quite rational. We want universal health care like you have there in France. That's why we don't support Hillary.
Yes, most Sanders supporters are quite rational. We want universal health care like you have there in France. That's why we don't support Hillary.
8
Anne, Clinton was fighting for universal health care decades back and had her head handed to her in one of the earlier scalding experiences of being the bete noire of the right. She's fought for a very long time, and knows pretty well what is possible and what's not (which Obama also had to find out; he kidded himself too long about republican willingness to govern), and how to get the best possible done. So, though I don't know how many names you've been called, interrogations you've endured, or fights you've been through, I'm not sure you really are as knowledgeable as you may think.
4
Anne, the lack of knowledge you have of Clinton's history on Universal Healthcare is shocking. This is precisely why Sanders supporters have the reputation of being naive newbies.
3
Some here have suggested that they might simply "walk away" from the upcoming Novermber election, mostly with respect to Hillary --
And put Republicans in the White House and in control of the Senate??? And a Scalia incarnate on the Supreme Court? Let's not get fuzzy. Currently there is a fundamental difference between the parties. So remember no-difference-between-the-parties Nader , don't substitute disappointed enthusiasm for rational common sense, and make a choice based on the reality of the available options that ensue.
And put Republicans in the White House and in control of the Senate??? And a Scalia incarnate on the Supreme Court? Let's not get fuzzy. Currently there is a fundamental difference between the parties. So remember no-difference-between-the-parties Nader , don't substitute disappointed enthusiasm for rational common sense, and make a choice based on the reality of the available options that ensue.
9
Hey New York Times,
How much money have the Clinton's thrown your way? Do you get a few extra thousand from them every time you dismiss the Sander's campaign?
Disgusting
How much money have the Clinton's thrown your way? Do you get a few extra thousand from them every time you dismiss the Sander's campaign?
Disgusting
4
Clinton beat Sanders in NY by the same margin that she beat Obama in the 2008 NY primary. So what is the takeaway here?
2
Trump beats her...
1
It is bad enough that Bernie supporters are such bad losers (when we lose, it is because the deck is stacked against us, when we win, it is because we are leading a revolution), but is it asking to much for them to at least be consistent about it (closed primaries are good for us, no they are bad for us, this doesn't count because it is a red state, this doesn't count because it is a blue state and the Democratic establishment was working against us, super-delegates should vote for us because we got more votes, super delegates should vote for us because we are good and Hillary is evil). I don't recall Hillary behaving like this either when she has lost primaries or caucuses this year or when she was losing to Obama. Is it possible that this "us" v. "them," we are the good guys, you are the bad guys, poor people are the salt of the earth, rich people are evil--rather than any unfairness in the process--is what is ultimately turning off voters and resulting in a win for Hillary here?
15
Since December, I have consistently predicted ...
It will be Hillary against Cruz and Hillary will win.
I'm not so sure now. It seems that the Republican party is determined to commit suicide. Russia's Putin (a Trump admirer and vice versa) had something to say about this during his recent call-in show, "It's difficult to save someone when they have decided to commit suicide."
On the other hand, it will be a lot easier for Hillary to destroy Trump than it would be if it was Cruz. Get used to saying, "President Clinton" once again.
It will be Hillary against Cruz and Hillary will win.
I'm not so sure now. It seems that the Republican party is determined to commit suicide. Russia's Putin (a Trump admirer and vice versa) had something to say about this during his recent call-in show, "It's difficult to save someone when they have decided to commit suicide."
On the other hand, it will be a lot easier for Hillary to destroy Trump than it would be if it was Cruz. Get used to saying, "President Clinton" once again.
10
Such a sad day for my home state. Lets sit back and watch how she shifts more and more right.
10
Come November, the leaves are off the trees, withered and dead. The woods are gray, the chill wind blows and the geese fly south to more hospitable climes. Winter is close at hand.
Americans in their millions trudge to the polls, to choose between Clinton and Trump. A truly dismal choice in a dismal season.
And Obama, sitting by the fire with his family, says quietly, "Apres moi, le deluge." Indeed.
Americans in their millions trudge to the polls, to choose between Clinton and Trump. A truly dismal choice in a dismal season.
And Obama, sitting by the fire with his family, says quietly, "Apres moi, le deluge." Indeed.
@Hamilton
Probably he will, since it is apparent that he currently thinks "L'état c'est moi..."
Delusions of grandeur work that way...
Probably he will, since it is apparent that he currently thinks "L'état c'est moi..."
Delusions of grandeur work that way...
1
Interesting how when one side loses, they whine and moan about an unfair system and start to do insane mathatics and talk about momentum. When the other side loses, they congratulate the winner on a good fight and move onto the next battle. The whiny millenniums want an easy handout and don't want to have to work for it. I've got an idea. When it's over, quit your job and move to Vermont and go on state aid. Yeah, life will be good then!
9
Looking at the Map of Election Results, one cannot help noticing how
Manhattan went for Hillary to a very high degree.
How and why the rest of America do not see and understand that Hillary is
on the side of the Rich, not the Middle Class and not the Poor, which explains
why the Manhattanites voted for her, while Bernie is on the side of the rest
of us - will explain why and how, should Hillary become President, the rest
of us will continue our slide down the economic ladder...
Manhattan went for Hillary to a very high degree.
How and why the rest of America do not see and understand that Hillary is
on the side of the Rich, not the Middle Class and not the Poor, which explains
why the Manhattanites voted for her, while Bernie is on the side of the rest
of us - will explain why and how, should Hillary become President, the rest
of us will continue our slide down the economic ladder...
9
What about HRC's neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens? Don't skew the picture to fit your narrative.
13
I never skew the narrative.
People who don't understand
that Hillary is going to do next to nothing for them but are
fooled by her campaign slogans - voted for her.
Let us be honest: $ 225,000.00 for each speech she
gave at Goldman ? ! ?
Had she given the money to the custodians who cleaned up after
the speech - then I might believe her.
People who don't understand
that Hillary is going to do next to nothing for them but are
fooled by her campaign slogans - voted for her.
Let us be honest: $ 225,000.00 for each speech she
gave at Goldman ? ! ?
Had she given the money to the custodians who cleaned up after
the speech - then I might believe her.
4
Nah, she gave most of it to charity instead
The election is over. Hillary is the next president. Bernie can't beat the math. And the Republicans screwed up their nominating process and picked a total loser. The only question left is what dress will Hillary wear to her inauguration.
3
“Some three million New Yorkers were unable to vote today because they were registered as independents,” Mr. Sanders said. “That makes no sense to me.”
While a picture can be worth a thousands words, a statement in defeat can illuminate a lifetime's perspective. This is true of Sanders. Once again, he shows his number one priority: to remain above it all. He is completely disingenuous to claim to not "make sense" of the rudimentary concept of a candidate being nominated by members of their own political party, yet it made sense to him to switch from Independent to Democrat in order to appear to be a more viable candidate.
Further, he blames the system he has been entrenched in for over 40 years but does not institute a PLAN to make him a competitive candidate GET THE WORD OUT TO YOUR SUPPORTERS TO REGISTER AS DEMOCRATS.
Not having a viable plan to get elected is a YUGE problem, my friends, and should be the final red flag for Sanders supporters (but I doubt it).
While a picture can be worth a thousands words, a statement in defeat can illuminate a lifetime's perspective. This is true of Sanders. Once again, he shows his number one priority: to remain above it all. He is completely disingenuous to claim to not "make sense" of the rudimentary concept of a candidate being nominated by members of their own political party, yet it made sense to him to switch from Independent to Democrat in order to appear to be a more viable candidate.
Further, he blames the system he has been entrenched in for over 40 years but does not institute a PLAN to make him a competitive candidate GET THE WORD OUT TO YOUR SUPPORTERS TO REGISTER AS DEMOCRATS.
Not having a viable plan to get elected is a YUGE problem, my friends, and should be the final red flag for Sanders supporters (but I doubt it).
19
It was very difficult for the Sanders campaign to get the word out about the October deadline to change party affiliation in NY. The media, including the NY Times, was ignoring and/or ridiculing him up until the win in New Hampshire. By then, it was too late for potential supporters to change their registration.
5
lol. so it's the New York Times' fault Sanders fans didn't register!
Egads, you kids today.
Egads, you kids today.
3
nymom:
FYI, I'm a 60-year-old lifelong Democrat. And yes, when the media is not doing their job, it's very difficult for an unknown candidate to be heard and to galvanize supporters to change party affiliation 6 months before a primary.
FYI, I'm a 60-year-old lifelong Democrat. And yes, when the media is not doing their job, it's very difficult for an unknown candidate to be heard and to galvanize supporters to change party affiliation 6 months before a primary.
3
It's time for Bernie supporters to accept their candidate is almost certainly not going to be the Democratic nominee. The choices are very likely going to be Hillary and Trump.
And as Trump is the least qualified and most dangerous and emotionally unstable candidate in modern American history, one hopes they will put country before pride and ego and do all they can to elect Clinton.
And as Trump is the least qualified and most dangerous and emotionally unstable candidate in modern American history, one hopes they will put country before pride and ego and do all they can to elect Clinton.
8
I can always write-in a ballot. New York shows irrefutably my vote doesn't count to the establishment anyway. Don't think I'll vote straight Party line either. I think I hear the F-train coming.
5
An important aspect of Trump's and Hillary's victories is that NYC is a global city, the most cosmopolitan and diverse place in the country. Listening to Bernie's supporters it sometimes feels as if, in their view history, began yesterday and the boundary of the universe is their front yard. Bernie's solutions have been tried ; and I bet among the New Yorkers there are plenty of people who remember how socialist revolutions turned out. I'd be curious to know how many immigrants from Russia, China or Eastern Europe voted for him - not too many, I imagine. As for Trump - he is scary to the world but he is familiar scary. Berlusconi and similar demagogues are dime a dozen globally. Cruz, on the other hand, is a theocrat whose ideology may appear to small-town know-nothing's but is incomprehensible to the rest of the world. We are voting for the leader of the free world, not just a local manager. It is fitting that global cities should have a decisive role in choosing one.
11
Now would be a good time for the Sanders campaign to consider a tactical withdrawal, end the pointless visciousness, unite the party and keep the momentum of prgressiveness moving forward. It has been a great fight- however the spectre of Trump looms very large
7
Today I fear for our country and humanity. As a well educated professional, I fear a “status quo” HRC administration will bring us on a collision course with more war, more global warming and more economic inequality. I fear the continuation of a rigged economy of special interests, by special interests and for special interests, and that time is running out for “incremental change.”
Is it good that persons working 40 hours a week still qualify for food stamps? Is it good that medical problems are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in this country, and a public college education is now leads to years of debt? Is it good that our infrastructure is so neglected that lead has poisoned our children? Is it good when the world’s 24 wealthiest individuals have as much wealth as half of humanity?
Wealthy NYC neighborhoods gave Hillary her greatest support. To what extent is this result economic self-interest? Can we appreciate that “We the People” are all in this together and that for the past 40+ years the distribution of wealth in this country, in the world, is leading us towards a troubled future.
I hope Bernie continues through the convention. Bernie generated enough excitement in the democratic race to match the interest that Obama did in 2008. A wise, honest fighter, Bernie is on the right side of history–like FDR. He has the vision and fire to help us realize this country will do better with a New “New Deal,“ and the need to get “special interest” money out of politics.
Is it good that persons working 40 hours a week still qualify for food stamps? Is it good that medical problems are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in this country, and a public college education is now leads to years of debt? Is it good that our infrastructure is so neglected that lead has poisoned our children? Is it good when the world’s 24 wealthiest individuals have as much wealth as half of humanity?
Wealthy NYC neighborhoods gave Hillary her greatest support. To what extent is this result economic self-interest? Can we appreciate that “We the People” are all in this together and that for the past 40+ years the distribution of wealth in this country, in the world, is leading us towards a troubled future.
I hope Bernie continues through the convention. Bernie generated enough excitement in the democratic race to match the interest that Obama did in 2008. A wise, honest fighter, Bernie is on the right side of history–like FDR. He has the vision and fire to help us realize this country will do better with a New “New Deal,“ and the need to get “special interest” money out of politics.
11
It's important to remember that when Secretary Hillary Clinton pulls in large donations, a big chunk of that goes to other Democratic organizations and candidates. In my opinion, this is the main reason for supporting Hillary. She's taking a team approach.
I don't doubt the sincerity and integrity of Senator Bernie Sanders. But to make real changes to America, a president needs cooperation from all levels of the government and especially Congress. At a minimum, Hillary is showing that team approach in her fundraising.
I don't doubt the sincerity and integrity of Senator Bernie Sanders. But to make real changes to America, a president needs cooperation from all levels of the government and especially Congress. At a minimum, Hillary is showing that team approach in her fundraising.
17
greasing hands?
3
@sg
This is exactly the kind of low-handed negative response that is losing Sanders votes....Still don't get it???
This is exactly the kind of low-handed negative response that is losing Sanders votes....Still don't get it???
1
Clinton is not a progressive and not a liberal. She is a big government stooge elitist. She favors bureaucratic do-nothings, hawks and oligarchs because they are all she knows. In her unfettered, rank corruption, she aspires to be all three. To the lower classes, she only wishes to placate their vague and spectral irrelevant needs with harmful repetitions of failed, old policies. I think she despises regular people, and despises that she used to be one.
HRC is unworthy and unqualified to receive a nomination from a legitimate Democratic party. Should she receive one, the Democratic Party stridently declares its illegitimacy. This is a sign that the traditional loyal Dem constituency should seek new avenues and abandon its corrupted, destroyed party.
HRC is unworthy and unqualified to receive a nomination from a legitimate Democratic party. Should she receive one, the Democratic Party stridently declares its illegitimacy. This is a sign that the traditional loyal Dem constituency should seek new avenues and abandon its corrupted, destroyed party.
5
I'll let Karl Rove know how well you read the script.
10
Two articles in today's newspaper are related, first the speech by Fidel Castro that the failed result of his lifelong communist imposition on the poor people of Cuba be continued after his death. That godless societies always fail, as Cuba, The long gone Soviet State built on Stalin's many blood baths, Pol Pots ocean of blood in Cambodia, and Mao Tse Tung's butchering of countless Chinese, all prove conclusively that the sooner Castro is gone and forgotten, the sooner Cubans can recover from the failed state he created.
The other related news is the New York State primary results, that suggest the United States will adopt godless alternatives to the failed communist flavor of evil. We have in the persons of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump two tepid, in name only Christians proudly touting such vile 'un-Christ-like' abominations as worship of wealth, by one, and more blood letting through Abortion on demand by the other. This 'news' does not bode well for the future of this nation, as it becomes more and more godless. We should look at the other godless nations, like Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan, as well as the failed communists and realize how severely we test God's Mercy, at our peril.
The other related news is the New York State primary results, that suggest the United States will adopt godless alternatives to the failed communist flavor of evil. We have in the persons of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump two tepid, in name only Christians proudly touting such vile 'un-Christ-like' abominations as worship of wealth, by one, and more blood letting through Abortion on demand by the other. This 'news' does not bode well for the future of this nation, as it becomes more and more godless. We should look at the other godless nations, like Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan, as well as the failed communists and realize how severely we test God's Mercy, at our peril.
There's also a nice article on Anders Breivik, who is being treated with mercy, compassion and exasperation by a godless government.
You'd like Anders: he has plenty of God. It's what inspired him to kill 76 people.
You'd like Anders: he has plenty of God. It's what inspired him to kill 76 people.
2
That godless societies always fail...
I wish the Taliban were godless
I wish the Taliban were godless
2
Tump broke away from rivals while Clinton still has Sanders in her rear view.
6
With just two parties promoted as the only really legitimate parties by the leaders of those very two parties, the voters are herded like so many cattle into one chute or the other, and candidates who run on a third-party ticket are cast as spoilers and outliers by both party and press. Bernie Sanders is not an outlier; he has caucused with the Democrats for decades, and his views, supported at least a third of Democrats in the closed New York primary and by much greater percentages of voters in open races, reflect those of FDR Democrats more closely than do Hillary Clinton's. Under our present system, the only way for candidates to be seen, to have their message heard, and to be deemed legitimate is to run with one of those two currently viable parties. Third parties seem to have been either chronically small, like the US Communist Party, or to have sprung up relatively recently before an election, such as Perot's Reform Party, but given the current dissatisfaction with the two existing parties, if the November election yields an establishment President signaling a pivot to the past or only incremental movement forward, I can envision another party blossoming that will grow over the next four years into an influential, enduring, and legitimate force for change in our politics.
4
I guess Cruz is now having second thoughts about his statements on "New York Values." I doubt it though. He would argue that New York values are those of liberal politicians dating back to FDR, but his remarks also apply to a host of values that celebrate the ethnic, religious, racial, and gender diversity that makes New York what is.
3
Glad to see New York vote against the candidate whose entire campaign is based on attacking New York's largest industry as nothing but a big fraud.
5
And you're proud of having finance as New York's biggest contribution to the national economy because... why?
“Some three million New Yorkers were unable to vote today because they were registered as independents,”
Well, then they should have registered in the party they wanted to vote in. That's what registering with a party MEANS.
Well, then they should have registered in the party they wanted to vote in. That's what registering with a party MEANS.
14
The world is neither black and white nor good versus evil. Consciously choosing not to be affiliated with either Party is in fact a moral and ethical decision. Both Parties are repulsive yet they make the rules of the game on the taxpayers dime. Anyone that chooses to oporate outside that sphere of influence and polarization is somehow wrong. Sorry, saying "tough luck" just doesn't cut it.
1
Not tough luck. Instead, this is what is being said: you don't want to be a member of our party. That's fine! But then you don't get to vote on who our party chooses to support, because you are not a member.
Kinda simple, ain't it?
Kinda simple, ain't it?
2
@Lisa
Then Parties shouldn't use public funds and stonewall third-party candidates. What your advocating is not a choice; it's an ultimatum.
Then Parties shouldn't use public funds and stonewall third-party candidates. What your advocating is not a choice; it's an ultimatum.
My Partner voted is a registered Republican and he for Cruz because he is against Donald Trump. I am a registered Democrat and I got to vote for the candidate that I love. I was not able to vote against Trump. I don't see why I shouldn't be able to vote in both primaries. There is no reason why I shouldn't be able to vote in my party primary and at the same time be able to vote in the other parties primary. Then I could vote against a candidate or strategically vote for the weakest opponent of the opposite party
2
Memo to Bernie: When you register as an independent in NYS you understand (or should have understood) that you will not be eligible to participate in a political party primary election. Similarly an independent, who is not a member of the Democratic or Republican Party, would have been ineligible to run in a Democratic or GOP Primary election. Isn't that why you switched from independent to Democrat very recently, so you could run in the Democratic Party primaries?
15
The only people that vote for Clinton are blacks, hispanics, and women. That's not a winning coalition by any stretch of the imagination.
1
@mannyv
portland, or
This is a huge lie of the sort Sanders fans are used to propagating. Obama got 45% of his vote in 2008/12 from black, Asian and Hispanic minorities and he got a majority of the female vote. In fact these groups are the basis of the Democratic coalition along with affluent educated whites who went overwhelmingly for Clinton last night.
portland, or
This is a huge lie of the sort Sanders fans are used to propagating. Obama got 45% of his vote in 2008/12 from black, Asian and Hispanic minorities and he got a majority of the female vote. In fact these groups are the basis of the Democratic coalition along with affluent educated whites who went overwhelmingly for Clinton last night.
7
We poor women. We poor "only" women. But we outnumber men. If we all vote together, that means we'll win. Imagine that, mannyv.
10
Wow - so you are saying, on the record, that not a single white man voted for Clinton?
Even if it were true (which is so laughably not), women are half of the voters and they tend to vote more than men, so wrong on that one too.
Even if it were true (which is so laughably not), women are half of the voters and they tend to vote more than men, so wrong on that one too.
6
I know it's pile on time. "Madame President" and other such titles are being casually tossed around.
We now know there's no path to victory for Senator Sanders. Etc., etc.,etc.
But let's be clear about one thing. Secretary Clinton and their family's Clinton Foundation are a pay to play place. The notion that somehow this former Goldwater Girl is a progressive candidate is sheep's clothing that won't wash.
Secretary Clinton is the .1%'s candidate now, and if you want more of the same over the next four years she's your choice. That means income inequality continues, and it's hands off from the AG's office when the .1% need arises.
You might be OK with all of that.
I'm not. The stranglehold that the .1% have on the nation's economy and politics has already spelled the end of an America we once knew in the 1960's - when a thriving middle class raised all boats.
But, you'd argue, she's pragmatic, and can deal with the gerrymandered Republican Congress better than Sanders.
What does a Congressional Representative fear more than losing a big money donor? Their job! If Sanders is in the White House you'd better invest in transportation stocks, because lots of folks are going to be coming to DC to protest and put the fear of God in those people. That's how democracy is supposed to work. As opposed to making a quiet donation to the Clinton Foundation.
So let's not call this anything other than the spade it is. A victory for the .1%'s candidate.
We now know there's no path to victory for Senator Sanders. Etc., etc.,etc.
But let's be clear about one thing. Secretary Clinton and their family's Clinton Foundation are a pay to play place. The notion that somehow this former Goldwater Girl is a progressive candidate is sheep's clothing that won't wash.
Secretary Clinton is the .1%'s candidate now, and if you want more of the same over the next four years she's your choice. That means income inequality continues, and it's hands off from the AG's office when the .1% need arises.
You might be OK with all of that.
I'm not. The stranglehold that the .1% have on the nation's economy and politics has already spelled the end of an America we once knew in the 1960's - when a thriving middle class raised all boats.
But, you'd argue, she's pragmatic, and can deal with the gerrymandered Republican Congress better than Sanders.
What does a Congressional Representative fear more than losing a big money donor? Their job! If Sanders is in the White House you'd better invest in transportation stocks, because lots of folks are going to be coming to DC to protest and put the fear of God in those people. That's how democracy is supposed to work. As opposed to making a quiet donation to the Clinton Foundation.
So let's not call this anything other than the spade it is. A victory for the .1%'s candidate.
5
Adirondax; Typical Bernie bro comment. Hillary was in high school when she was a Goldwater girl. She's been a progressive Democrat all her adult life. But it sounds good to the bros. The Clinton Foundation has done more good work in one day than Bernie has in his whole life. The .1% choice in this race is the Republican, not Hillary. Hillary is the most qualified candidate and obviously more voters think so because she is getting far more votes than Bernie.
Send Bernie another $27 so he can continue his personal attacks and make sure a Republican is elected. And do join in with yours as well. You also need to do more whining about the media, the DNC, the election process (except for the caucuses where Bernie does well). Once the Republican is elected, you will be able to see what a .1% President can do with a Republican Congress and a Republican Supreme Court.
Send Bernie another $27 so he can continue his personal attacks and make sure a Republican is elected. And do join in with yours as well. You also need to do more whining about the media, the DNC, the election process (except for the caucuses where Bernie does well). Once the Republican is elected, you will be able to see what a .1% President can do with a Republican Congress and a Republican Supreme Court.
10
I did just send him another $27, jas2200. And if she's ultimately the nominee, I'll hold my nose and vote for the Republican. No whining, just action.
I am totally committed to Bernie Sanders for President 2016 to the point where I will write-in Bernie's name on my November Ballot. It would take two things to change my mind 1. Bernie would have to endorse Hillary's candidacy. 2. Hillary would publish the texts of her three $675,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs.
It is vital for Democratic voters to know exactly what Hillary said behind closed doors to determine the extent of her allegiance to Wall Street Bankers.
Otherwise we have every reason to consider Hillary a DINO (Democrat In Name Only)!
It is vital for Democratic voters to know exactly what Hillary said behind closed doors to determine the extent of her allegiance to Wall Street Bankers.
Otherwise we have every reason to consider Hillary a DINO (Democrat In Name Only)!
10
Bill:
Let me ask you a simple question. Which is more relevant, the money or the text of what she said?
The money tells you all you need to know. The text of the speech is irrelevant.
Let me ask you a simple question. Which is more relevant, the money or the text of what she said?
The money tells you all you need to know. The text of the speech is irrelevant.
2
Read this article and consider a different perspective: https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699...
3
There is no comparison between what happened to Cruz and what happened to Sanders. The former got no delegates; the latter lost to Hilary in delegates by 106 to 139. The media want to persist in the idea that Cruz has more of a chance of catching Trump than Sanders does of catching Hilary. Consistently reported -- and consistently wrong -- is the idea that winner-take-all primaries give Cruz a better chance. Not necessarily: as last night's results show, winner-take-all can also put Cruz further behind. On a percentage basis, Cruz is more than twice as far behind Trump as Bernie is behind Hilary. Bernie did fine last night and he does still have a shot at the nomination, in spite of continued ridiculously biased media coverage. He could win big in California and it would be less of a surprise than his upset in Michigan was. Still, the media would rather entertain notions of far-out convention scenarios that would propel Cruz over Trump than consider perfectly reasonable if somewhat unlikely scenarios of Sanders overtaking Hilary by scoring a few really big upsets in upcoming states -- something that Bernie has already shown he can do. I am truly alarmed by the bias of the media in favor of the mainstream candidates. (Yes, it's true that Cruz is not mainstream in the way that Hilary is, but compared with Trump...)
1
I am very angry. I am angry that Trump and Clinton are in the leading. Senator Bernie Sanders should have won. He is the only one that actually knows what he is talking about. He cares for making things right for this and future generations.
3
"He is the only one that actually knows what he is talking about. "
Well, I beg to differ. I think he frighteningly knows very little of what he is talking about. And you may be angry, but I am ecstatic. Over 1 million votes for HRC in New York State yesterday!!!
Well, I beg to differ. I think he frighteningly knows very little of what he is talking about. And you may be angry, but I am ecstatic. Over 1 million votes for HRC in New York State yesterday!!!
7
When the general election comes in November, for the first time in my life I will vote for the Democratic candidate, but without much enthusiasm.
1
I disagree with Ted Devine about Bernie Sanders' "good" prospects in Pennsylvania and Connecticut. Historically PA has relied on the fossil fuel industry for its economic growth and development. People there are not as concerned as New Yorkers about fracking and its effect on the environment. He's wasting his time if he tries to convince Pennsylvanians that Hillary supports fracking. Mrs Clinton should do well in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, where racist treatment by police of blacks is an emotive issue. In Connecticut the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre will lead people to favor Hillary's ideas on gun control over Mr Sanders' suspect record on this issue. Rhode Island is likely to vote similarly to CT.
6
I see a lot of comments about how Bernie's fans want a revolution. The only way that is realistically going to happen is if they run for office themselves, in state elections. The Congress has to change significantly for any of Bernie's big ideas to become reality. It's easy to vote for revolutionary ideas; it's much harder (and takes much longer) to make them happen.
(Full disclosure: I voted for Hillary in the MA primary -- I like some of Bernie's ideas, but in the past several weeks, I've not been at all pleased with the kind of campaign he's running. I will support him if he's the candidate, but I am pulling for HRC as the more qualified and the more likely to be able to get anything done with Congress.)
(Full disclosure: I voted for Hillary in the MA primary -- I like some of Bernie's ideas, but in the past several weeks, I've not been at all pleased with the kind of campaign he's running. I will support him if he's the candidate, but I am pulling for HRC as the more qualified and the more likely to be able to get anything done with Congress.)
15
Right on. Revolutions do not happen from the top down, with supporters acting more like they are rooting for their favorite team than making things happen at the local and state level. If you want a revolution make it happen with organization and support of more people than you have committed now.
8
Another thing. Revolutions NEED the oppressed and disenfranchised voices in society.
So Sanders had best start connecting better with African-Americans and "Minorities" big-time, if he wants to get this party started.
So Sanders had best start connecting better with African-Americans and "Minorities" big-time, if he wants to get this party started.
5
I have no problem with the voting rules being changed, but the time to do that isn't in the middle of a primary season when things aren't going to your liking. Bernie is a career politician. He knows what the rules are and he didn't mind them when he registered as a Democrat to run for office. Likewise, Donald Trump claimed that he's been in politics for years. He knew the rules, too.
These two are pandering to voters overly sensitive to conspiracy theories and those addicted to rooting for an "underdog". They both know exactly what they are doing and they are no more "honest" and "trustworthy" than any of the other candidates.
These two are pandering to voters overly sensitive to conspiracy theories and those addicted to rooting for an "underdog". They both know exactly what they are doing and they are no more "honest" and "trustworthy" than any of the other candidates.
11
I fail to understand why Mr. Sanders' supporters are so dedicated to further splintering the Democratic Party just because he lost in New York.
Nor can I understand why some would rather endorse Mr. Trump, instead of someone in the same Party -- like Trump isn't the ultimate "Establishment" Capitalist???
The amount of finger-pointing, name-calling, and blame has not changed one iota. And yet they still fail to understand that is exactly what has cost them votes, because many people simply got fed up with personal attacks and verbal abuse displayed in these pages and on other post-boards.
It's time to get serious. This country will be in serious trouble if Republicans control of the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court.
Simply because that would mean an end to Democracy, as we know it.
And the "Revolution" won't be televised.
Nor can I understand why some would rather endorse Mr. Trump, instead of someone in the same Party -- like Trump isn't the ultimate "Establishment" Capitalist???
The amount of finger-pointing, name-calling, and blame has not changed one iota. And yet they still fail to understand that is exactly what has cost them votes, because many people simply got fed up with personal attacks and verbal abuse displayed in these pages and on other post-boards.
It's time to get serious. This country will be in serious trouble if Republicans control of the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court.
Simply because that would mean an end to Democracy, as we know it.
And the "Revolution" won't be televised.
11
"I fail to understand why Mr. Sanders' supporters are so dedicated to further splintering the Democratic Party....
Nor can I understand why some would rather endorse Mr. Trump, instead of someone in the same Party"
************************
In plain English:
- The Clintons are a pair of crooks. Rewarding bad behavior just gets you more of the same.
- We could argue about the criminality of the Republicans, but we've already suffered through two terms of this pair of weasels so we know what we'd be getting in advance. Thanks but no thanks.
Nor can I understand why some would rather endorse Mr. Trump, instead of someone in the same Party"
************************
In plain English:
- The Clintons are a pair of crooks. Rewarding bad behavior just gets you more of the same.
- We could argue about the criminality of the Republicans, but we've already suffered through two terms of this pair of weasels so we know what we'd be getting in advance. Thanks but no thanks.
@margaret
First. You can cut that patronizing tone. It doesn't make you appear more intelligent, only snarky. And it also doesn't do much for the candidate you represent.
Try again.
First. You can cut that patronizing tone. It doesn't make you appear more intelligent, only snarky. And it also doesn't do much for the candidate you represent.
Try again.
"Patronizing" is my polite way of approaching the discussion, N. Smith--after all, I do hope at least some of my comments get printed here. And based on the number, frequency, and condescending tone I suspect you're a paid shill, anyway, and I'm not likely to change your mind any more than you're ever going to change mine.
Was it just me who found Donald Trump's repeated references in his victory speech to "Senator Cruz" surreal? I had become so accustomed to hearing him say " Lyin' Ted " that I had to pinch my arm to make sure I was not in a dream.
This sudden transformation of Donald Trump into a genteel, Kasich-like pol was akin to two other contrasting images that one sometimes sees on TV: Charges of criminal conduct being read to a hand-cuffed but clean-shaven young man of earnest appearance and dressed up in a neat shirt, suit and necktie, juxtaposed to images of just when he was arrested as a street bully attired in a soiled hoodie, with a stubble on his face, scuffling with the cops, and spitting on the ground.
Still, this is good progress in the unlikely event that Donald Trump becomes our next President.
This sudden transformation of Donald Trump into a genteel, Kasich-like pol was akin to two other contrasting images that one sometimes sees on TV: Charges of criminal conduct being read to a hand-cuffed but clean-shaven young man of earnest appearance and dressed up in a neat shirt, suit and necktie, juxtaposed to images of just when he was arrested as a street bully attired in a soiled hoodie, with a stubble on his face, scuffling with the cops, and spitting on the ground.
Still, this is good progress in the unlikely event that Donald Trump becomes our next President.
1
For decades I've heard people complain there's not enough difference between the parties' candidates. Well, you've got your wish: huge differences! As Barry Goldwater sloganeered in 1964, "a choice,not an echo".
3
.
.
The outcomes here were in NY fully predictable.
In a normal year, it would be predictable as well that the trailing candidate in a two-person race would start easing up around now. Pennsylvania and Maryland and Delaware, which lie ahead, are clear losers for Bernie Sanders. The party's chances in November -- including the opportunity for winning enough Senate seats to put Mr. Sanders back in charge of a Senate Committee -- would be significantly improved if the cross-talk and energy-sapping campaigning could end. Soon.
Senator Sanders has proved his ability to raise money. As he notes, it seems to come $27 at a time. Estimates are that he spent more than $5.4 million on television ads along in the New York area this month. Thats 200,000 contributions of $27. Is that really what he's in the race for? Is that really why people contribute to his campaign? So he can turn that sort of money over to broadcasters? (All other candidates, combined, spent less than he did. Secy. Clinton is estimated to have spent half of his total, in part because her campaign reserved the air time back when it was cheaper. Sen. Sanders is more likely to pay top dollar.)
I hope he stays on state ballots. He and his followers have things to say, and it is in our nation's best tradition that they say their peace and vote their consciences. But I hope as well that he doesn't squander the contributions from all those good people.
And please, stop the attacks. Let the GOP have fun with mudslinging!
.
The outcomes here were in NY fully predictable.
In a normal year, it would be predictable as well that the trailing candidate in a two-person race would start easing up around now. Pennsylvania and Maryland and Delaware, which lie ahead, are clear losers for Bernie Sanders. The party's chances in November -- including the opportunity for winning enough Senate seats to put Mr. Sanders back in charge of a Senate Committee -- would be significantly improved if the cross-talk and energy-sapping campaigning could end. Soon.
Senator Sanders has proved his ability to raise money. As he notes, it seems to come $27 at a time. Estimates are that he spent more than $5.4 million on television ads along in the New York area this month. Thats 200,000 contributions of $27. Is that really what he's in the race for? Is that really why people contribute to his campaign? So he can turn that sort of money over to broadcasters? (All other candidates, combined, spent less than he did. Secy. Clinton is estimated to have spent half of his total, in part because her campaign reserved the air time back when it was cheaper. Sen. Sanders is more likely to pay top dollar.)
I hope he stays on state ballots. He and his followers have things to say, and it is in our nation's best tradition that they say their peace and vote their consciences. But I hope as well that he doesn't squander the contributions from all those good people.
And please, stop the attacks. Let the GOP have fun with mudslinging!
6
Now that Sanders was, once again, crushed in a diverse major state that more closely resembles the Democrats' national base, will the people who drank the Sanders Kool Aid finally realize that his quixotic one-note campaign is sputtering to irrelevance, as it was always destined to do? If so, the Dems may finally be able to start focusing on November and the issues that actually matter.
6
I don't really have a comment about all of this. As someone who isn't even old enough to vote yet, I find it impossible to have an opinion with out being attacked by someone with the opposite opinion. But if I have to say something about this, it would be that I would have voted for Bernie.
I'll probably get more into this kind of stuff when I'm at the age that my vote actually counts.
I'll probably get more into this kind of stuff when I'm at the age that my vote actually counts.
4
Good for you. You sound smart enough to know the rules and to register as a Democratic by the date the rules specify.
2
Wow. I'm really getting tired of hearing from the Republican and Bernie Sanders camps, how I, as a Hillary supporter, just don't get the issues of the times, or that I'm somehow compromised in my morality or integrity. It's infuriating. Please know that I'm right in my head, and well aware of which issues are important to this nation and to me -- healthcare, rights of women and safety of children, gun control, economic stability. As a socialist at heart, I'd LOVE to see free college and a national health plan. But Bernie's way is not the only way. And the more I see the finger wagging and sanctimonious snark from the Bernie Sanders camp (a sign of poor sportsmanship if I ever saw one) the more I know I've made the right decision for the Democratic candidate. Go Hillary!
18
This article reads:
[Mr. Sanders] expressed concern about the closed primary system in New York and said he hoped it would change in the future. “Some three million New Yorkers were unable to vote today because they were registered as independents,” Mr. Sanders said. “That makes no sense to me.”
Mr. Sanders' entire quote about the flawed Democratic primary rules in New York are as follows:
""Almost 30% of the eligible voters - some 3 million New Yorkers - were unable to vote today because they had registered as Independents, not Democrats or Republicans. And, that makes no sense to me at all. People should have the right to participate in a primary and vote for their candidate for President of the United States."
[Mr. Sanders] expressed concern about the closed primary system in New York and said he hoped it would change in the future. “Some three million New Yorkers were unable to vote today because they were registered as independents,” Mr. Sanders said. “That makes no sense to me.”
Mr. Sanders' entire quote about the flawed Democratic primary rules in New York are as follows:
""Almost 30% of the eligible voters - some 3 million New Yorkers - were unable to vote today because they had registered as Independents, not Democrats or Republicans. And, that makes no sense to me at all. People should have the right to participate in a primary and vote for their candidate for President of the United States."
2
Independents can certainly vote in a primary--for an Independent Party candidate, just as members of other parties choose their parties' candidates. If they don't have the numbers or cohesion to do that, they need to work on that.
2
Well, see, it's like this: you can vote for who is going to lead my party if you join my party. Otherwise, not.
Pretty simple, eh?
And it's why Bernie joined my party - so he could get assistance from my party in his run for prez.
Which he has gotten (yes, ole bern has been the recipient of heaps of dnc assistance, and heaps of dnc cash in the past for his senate runs).
So, if Bernie now doesn't understand this, what does that mean? Early Alzheimer's? Or just a very selective memory? Or, is Bernie lying?
Pretty simple, eh?
And it's why Bernie joined my party - so he could get assistance from my party in his run for prez.
Which he has gotten (yes, ole bern has been the recipient of heaps of dnc assistance, and heaps of dnc cash in the past for his senate runs).
So, if Bernie now doesn't understand this, what does that mean? Early Alzheimer's? Or just a very selective memory? Or, is Bernie lying?
1
Reply to Lisa
Bernie is an independent in the United States Senate and he caucuses with the Democratic senators and has high-ranking positions on Senate committees as a result.
In California (your home state), citizens may register to vote or update her or his political party association by May 23. The primary is set for June 7. This is a difference of 14 days. And, in California, an Independent can re-register as No Party Preference to be able to vote for Bernie.
New York’s deadline for switching party registration was Oct. 9, 2015 or 193 days before the primary.
Do you think that the people who set the election rules in New York maybe have early Alzheimer's?
Bernie is an independent in the United States Senate and he caucuses with the Democratic senators and has high-ranking positions on Senate committees as a result.
In California (your home state), citizens may register to vote or update her or his political party association by May 23. The primary is set for June 7. This is a difference of 14 days. And, in California, an Independent can re-register as No Party Preference to be able to vote for Bernie.
New York’s deadline for switching party registration was Oct. 9, 2015 or 193 days before the primary.
Do you think that the people who set the election rules in New York maybe have early Alzheimer's?
The (Washington Hill)ary $ouled out! Feel the Bern here in Los Angeles!
3
The Trump Train is back on. As he was expected to win, not by this wide margin. What a landslide! The Republican rhinos now just need to "shut up" before they ruin their own party. The ones who want a contested convention are far too fundamental for Americans. Cruz will never beat Hillary. Trump can as he is more central where MOST Americans are. Despite the distaste for his mannerisms, he message is what most people want to hear. He will recruit the brightest and the best. We will be safe again in our own country and the vets will be honored.
I meant to say the Democratic Party today is the old, socially liberal, fiscally conservative Republican party of yesterday.
2
An advisory to the media from Stringer's office Tuesday afternoon
"New York City Board of Elections confirming more than 125,000 voters in Brooklyn were removed from voter rolls - widespread reports of voters having trouble accessing polling sites New York City Comptroller Scott M Stringer announced his office would undertake an audit of the Board of Elections"
Stringer's statement “There is nothing more sacred than the right to vote yet election after election reports come in of people inexplicably purged from polls told to vote at the wrong location or unable to get in to their polling site
The people of New York City have lost confidence that the Board of Elections can administer elections and we intend to find out why the BOE is so consistently disorganized chaotic and inefficient."
Mayor de Blasio:
“ the voting lists in Brooklyn contain purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists. I am calling on the Board of Election to reverse that purge.."
Forgery
“We were seeing an alarming number of voter affiliations changed without people’s knowledge or consent, people who were registered listed as not registered,” Shyla Nelson for Election Justice USA
“One plaintiff, a 24-year-old from Suffolk County, says that he registered as a Democrat in 2009, and a change of affiliation form the BOE showed him, supposedly proving he left the party, bears a signature that is an “identical, pixel-by-pixel” copy of the signature on his driver’s license.
"New York City Board of Elections confirming more than 125,000 voters in Brooklyn were removed from voter rolls - widespread reports of voters having trouble accessing polling sites New York City Comptroller Scott M Stringer announced his office would undertake an audit of the Board of Elections"
Stringer's statement “There is nothing more sacred than the right to vote yet election after election reports come in of people inexplicably purged from polls told to vote at the wrong location or unable to get in to their polling site
The people of New York City have lost confidence that the Board of Elections can administer elections and we intend to find out why the BOE is so consistently disorganized chaotic and inefficient."
Mayor de Blasio:
“ the voting lists in Brooklyn contain purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists. I am calling on the Board of Election to reverse that purge.."
Forgery
“We were seeing an alarming number of voter affiliations changed without people’s knowledge or consent, people who were registered listed as not registered,” Shyla Nelson for Election Justice USA
“One plaintiff, a 24-year-old from Suffolk County, says that he registered as a Democrat in 2009, and a change of affiliation form the BOE showed him, supposedly proving he left the party, bears a signature that is an “identical, pixel-by-pixel” copy of the signature on his driver’s license.
3
As a progressive, I'm tired of needless wars that the children of the common folk fight on behalf of the billionaires.. I'm tired of voter suppression, crumbling infrastructure, tax breaks for billionaires, job destroying trade agreements, dependence on fossil fuels, fracking, global warming, poison water, corrupt courts, corporate welfare, white collar criminals who go unpunished, militarized police forces, unaffordable healthcare and education.... I'm tired of of the stale bread crumbs we voters get in return for our support of the lesser of two evils.
I would like to see Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and other progressives grab this building momentum and work together to form a third party before the next election cycle... The time is right. Let's eliminate this farcical fixed "two party" corporate illusion once and for all...
I would like to see Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and other progressives grab this building momentum and work together to form a third party before the next election cycle... The time is right. Let's eliminate this farcical fixed "two party" corporate illusion once and for all...
4
It's a shame that New Yorkers did not take this opportunity to redeem themselves for allowing the Clintons to set up shop in their state, in the first place, under disingenuous motives. The country is still paying the price for this self-serving decision that was probably meant to channel federal money toward their state (and away from the others).
1
@bumba
What makes you the expert from 3,000 miles away?
Another thing. Whether you know it, or not, we still have a Democracy here, that means people have a choice of who to vote for.
And guess what?? -- They did.
What makes you the expert from 3,000 miles away?
Another thing. Whether you know it, or not, we still have a Democracy here, that means people have a choice of who to vote for.
And guess what?? -- They did.
2
Wow. What a malicious attempt to turn states' peoples against each other. We don't need that.
2
@jb
No. Not at all. Just wondering how someone so far removed from the continent can come up with such things.
What you don't know, is that I speak German fluently, so I can probably guess what newspapers he's reading in Österreich/Austria.
Another thing. Don't try to start trouble where there is none.
No. Not at all. Just wondering how someone so far removed from the continent can come up with such things.
What you don't know, is that I speak German fluently, so I can probably guess what newspapers he's reading in Österreich/Austria.
Another thing. Don't try to start trouble where there is none.
In the front page photo of the Donald, the people arranged behind him... is that the cast from Game of Thrones?
1
Thank you, New York. A President Clinton neo-con strong on foreign policy and Bernie-light on domestic policy is grounds for optimism.
3
Hillary supporters out in full force only when their candidate wins big. They vacillate and triangulate as well as she does. It's sad to not believe in anything other than the wind.
2
Almost half of your senatorial constituents voted against you, Secretary Clinton.
I don't see that as much of a mandate from voters who you worked for in the Senate.
Remember that when you're walking down the streets of your hometown.
I don't see that as much of a mandate from voters who you worked for in the Senate.
Remember that when you're walking down the streets of your hometown.
3
This is shaping up to be a three-part campaign for Trump.
Part one was, as Newt Gingrich described it, Trump's "guerilla war" -- where he rode his unconventional style and tactics to big wins and front-running status.
Part two was his missteps and mis-tweets, leading to the poor showing in Wisconsin that could ultimately end up costing him the nomination.
Part three is post-New York, with his seasoned campaign vets now in place and apparently newfound discipline -- trying to make up ground he lost to Cruz in Wisconsin and the non-voting states out west.
He's not going to quite get to 1,237 -- that's pretty clear. But can he get close enough to sway, say, several dozen uncommitteds from Pennsylvania, Guam, or wherever?
And now we wait for "Super Tuesday IV" -- next week.
It really is coming down to the wire, isn't it?
Part one was, as Newt Gingrich described it, Trump's "guerilla war" -- where he rode his unconventional style and tactics to big wins and front-running status.
Part two was his missteps and mis-tweets, leading to the poor showing in Wisconsin that could ultimately end up costing him the nomination.
Part three is post-New York, with his seasoned campaign vets now in place and apparently newfound discipline -- trying to make up ground he lost to Cruz in Wisconsin and the non-voting states out west.
He's not going to quite get to 1,237 -- that's pretty clear. But can he get close enough to sway, say, several dozen uncommitteds from Pennsylvania, Guam, or wherever?
And now we wait for "Super Tuesday IV" -- next week.
It really is coming down to the wire, isn't it?
REAL New York values: Raphael Cruz - ZERO delegates.
Sweet.
Sweet.
3
Clinton won big in Suffolk County, no real surprise, but Trump won by an even larger margin.
If November is between Trump and Clinton, Trump wins Suffolk easily. I wouldn't be surprised if Orange, Erie, Monroe, and Albany counties also went for Trump.
It will be interesting to see if all the upstate counties that went for Sanders will go for Clinton in November.
Ironically, Clinton lost Clinton County 3-to-1 to Sanders.
If November is between Trump and Clinton, Trump wins Suffolk easily. I wouldn't be surprised if Orange, Erie, Monroe, and Albany counties also went for Trump.
It will be interesting to see if all the upstate counties that went for Sanders will go for Clinton in November.
Ironically, Clinton lost Clinton County 3-to-1 to Sanders.
1
Don't just look at percentages; you need to look at the actual votes. Clinton won over 1 million, almost twice as many as Trump. In fact, she has won more votes than ANY OTHER candidate so far.
1
What these two primaries show are that both Clinton and Sanders could appeal nationally to those inclined to vote Democrat.
At the same time, the Republican primary casts into stark relief just how demographically and geographically splintered that party is. While Kasich would seem to be the mainstreams "great white hope," it is clear that he has little appeal in more progressive parts of the country. And that appeal would shrink were he to be taken seriously and subjected to a "hard," one-on-one campaign.
At the same time, the Republican primary casts into stark relief just how demographically and geographically splintered that party is. While Kasich would seem to be the mainstreams "great white hope," it is clear that he has little appeal in more progressive parts of the country. And that appeal would shrink were he to be taken seriously and subjected to a "hard," one-on-one campaign.
One wonders if all those Sanders fans sending their $25 know that he's paying Weaver his campaign manager nearly a million dollars a month according to reports popping up on the net. They may be just rumors but they have the ring of plausibility. Naturally HE wants the gravy train to keep rolling with the "bankster" (favorite Bernie Bros word that) monthly payments. Screw the Democratic party.
4
I don't think much of Saint Reagan, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. One thing he did know was how to win elections. One of his most famous quotes is, "Thou shall not speak ill of another Republican." We can tell how far the Republicans have gone from those days. (And the inevitable result.)
Unfortunately, Democrats are starting to act the same way with the same predictable results. On CNN this morning, I saw the same sort of cat fight between a Clinton and a Sanders supporter that we're used to seeing with Republicans.
I blame Jeff Weaver, Sander's campaign manager. He seems all too ready to dive into the mud. Weaver is a long time Sanders associate and I can see why Sanders is loyal to him, but his previous job was running a comic books store. (Look it up.)
This will not do! We need to focus on down ticket races now. Nothing will change until Congress changes, no matter who wins.
Unfortunately, Democrats are starting to act the same way with the same predictable results. On CNN this morning, I saw the same sort of cat fight between a Clinton and a Sanders supporter that we're used to seeing with Republicans.
I blame Jeff Weaver, Sander's campaign manager. He seems all too ready to dive into the mud. Weaver is a long time Sanders associate and I can see why Sanders is loyal to him, but his previous job was running a comic books store. (Look it up.)
This will not do! We need to focus on down ticket races now. Nothing will change until Congress changes, no matter who wins.
12
Hillary did not win nearly as easily as Trump, though you wouldn't know it by this tendentious article. Trump won everywhere, while Hillary's victories were confined most to well to do urban areas. The article misleadingly states that Bernie "won many upstate rural counties"; yet he won virtually ALL of them, and those he lost were by miniscule amounts -- and this in spite of the fact that millions of independents were denied the opportunity to vote for him (which would have put him over the top). Hillary is in trouble. She's as uninspiring and inauthentic a candidate as they come, and my hunch is that she'll get trounced in the general election, no matter how much the NY Times tries at every turn to boost her candidacy, at the expense of the kind of objective reporting that used to make this paper peerless, but that now has gone by the wayside.
3
I disagree - Hillary is doing just fine. She won over 1 million votes in New York State yesterday, almost twice as many as Trump. She has won more votes than any other candidate so far. Odds are she will be the next President of the United States. Hurrah!!!
1
Sanders as the messenger leaves something to be desired, it's true. But the fact is he's right on the money about what he says. There's no two ways about it.
Clinton is the .1%'s candidate. If you want more of the Obama same, she's your gal. By that I mean growing income inequality and justice turning a blind eye when needed, as in the mortgage-backed securities fraud fiasco when not one of those white collar criminals was even charged!
This is not a fight between Dems and Republicans, it's a fight between the 99%ers and the 1%. OK, the .1% to be fair.
The .1% have "donated" to the Clinton campaign, and paid her for speeches. I'll bet if we checked the donor list for the Clinton Foundation it would be a who's who list of .1%ers. Make no mistake, they pay to play and mean it.
The fact that Sanders campaign is funded by We the People is nothing short of historic, yet that receives little play on these pages.
Sanders may not win the Presidency, or even his party's nomination, but let's hope his coalition is in its infancy and lives on beyond this election cycle.
Clinton is the .1%'s candidate. If you want more of the Obama same, she's your gal. By that I mean growing income inequality and justice turning a blind eye when needed, as in the mortgage-backed securities fraud fiasco when not one of those white collar criminals was even charged!
This is not a fight between Dems and Republicans, it's a fight between the 99%ers and the 1%. OK, the .1% to be fair.
The .1% have "donated" to the Clinton campaign, and paid her for speeches. I'll bet if we checked the donor list for the Clinton Foundation it would be a who's who list of .1%ers. Make no mistake, they pay to play and mean it.
The fact that Sanders campaign is funded by We the People is nothing short of historic, yet that receives little play on these pages.
Sanders may not win the Presidency, or even his party's nomination, but let's hope his coalition is in its infancy and lives on beyond this election cycle.
3
IT IS TIME FOR SANDERS TO GO. It is interesting to see the change in bernie as he accumulated power. A nice respectful candidate to a nasty sniping undermining person. I guess the adage of "power corrupts" stands.
He is now doing damage to the candidate who can win against trump. He should leave now and transfer his delegates. We do not want trump for president.
He is now doing damage to the candidate who can win against trump. He should leave now and transfer his delegates. We do not want trump for president.
5
If he goes, I'll start sending my $27 to one of the Republicans. Your candidate damaged herself irrevocably a long, long time ago.
1
Democrats: Please unite behind whoever the Democratic candidate will be.
At stake:
-Supreme Court nominee
-Abortion rights
-Global warming and investment in alternate energies
-Investment in infrastructure
Please put this sniping behind us and move forward to defeat the Republican party.
At stake:
-Supreme Court nominee
-Abortion rights
-Global warming and investment in alternate energies
-Investment in infrastructure
Please put this sniping behind us and move forward to defeat the Republican party.
5
I wonder how many Democrats really preferred Bernie, but voted for Hillary for the following reason:
If Bernie got the nomination, the Plutocratic Oligarchy would be secretly delighted & then bring the heavy artillery out of hiding and now unload money & media in shock & awe, point blank on Bernie as a "socialist/communist" and "atheist". And after the smoke clears, we've got an apparent landslide popular mandate for extreme Republicans who control all 3 branches of the Federal government.
I'm still of the opinion that a "rating system" of voting where each candidate for an office is rated separately on a rating scale, rather than our current binary system of voting, would help avoid some of these "vote splitting", "spoiler" and other problems with our electoral system and allow us to vote more accurately our true preferences.
If Bernie got the nomination, the Plutocratic Oligarchy would be secretly delighted & then bring the heavy artillery out of hiding and now unload money & media in shock & awe, point blank on Bernie as a "socialist/communist" and "atheist". And after the smoke clears, we've got an apparent landslide popular mandate for extreme Republicans who control all 3 branches of the Federal government.
I'm still of the opinion that a "rating system" of voting where each candidate for an office is rated separately on a rating scale, rather than our current binary system of voting, would help avoid some of these "vote splitting", "spoiler" and other problems with our electoral system and allow us to vote more accurately our true preferences.
1
Again the media blows Trump victory out of proportion. Sanders lost to Hillary but garnered almost as much votes as Trump, Kasich and Cruz put together. Hillary alone received 1.5 times more votes than the total cast by Republicans in New York. And that is not counting Independents who tend to vote for Democrats.
This fact is not discussed in the media, plus, the Empire State Building lights up for Trump who received less than half of Hillary's votes.
This fact is not discussed in the media, plus, the Empire State Building lights up for Trump who received less than half of Hillary's votes.
1
The big story is the disenfranchisement of 60,000 to 120,000 voters in Brooklyn. I was standing in line waiting to check in at Bishop Ford in Windsor Terrace. The gentleman in front of me was told that it takes up to a year to show up in the voting records! How can that possibly be true? I don't trust Bill di Blasio or Scott Stringer to look into this when both of them were on the campaign trail with Hillary just a few days ago. Whether or not a primary is as important as the one we held in NY yesterday should be irrelevant. The Board of Elections should always have the voting lists in the best shape possible.
1
The Democratic Party of today is the old, socially liberal party of decades past. There is no political party in America that represents the working class. Hillary supporters voted for her because they want to vote for power, as if they are rooting for a sports team. The issues are irrelevant to her supporters. I will never vote for a candidate that doesn't represent the working class. I refuse to vote for Goldman Sachs for president.
3
Yes, we find the power of NRA treasonous.
1
So glad Hillary won. I cannot believe it will be June before this miserable process concludes. Then it will likely be Hillary and Trump until November, clash of the titans. At the end of the whole demeaning, exhausting, absurdly expensive exercise, America will elect someone half the country despises and perhaps be stuck with the same dysfunctional congress. Best case scenario, Trump brings down the entire GOP, forcing them to rebuild into a respectable party, interested in governing, a party not so obstructionist that they would prefer to see the country fail to ceding one victory to the opposition.
4
Even though it wasn't a landslide victory for HRC, the Times is trumpeting it as such. Interesting photos accompanying this story as well: notice that HRC is pictured in a triumphant pose with a backdrop of supporters, while Sanders, clearly addressing a very large arena, is pictured from the side (almost behind) with the photographer carefully composing the shot so that it does not show his large audience at all.
The Times should be ashamed of the propaganda campaign they have run for HRC. Unbefitting of a news agency. New York Times is Fox Left.
The Times should be ashamed of the propaganda campaign they have run for HRC. Unbefitting of a news agency. New York Times is Fox Left.
5
Kudos to the NYTimes Editorial Board for their "Sanders and Kasich Should Ignore Any Pressure to Quit" (yesterday - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/opinion/sanders-and-kasich-should-igno... )
I have no idea whether any significantly substantive intra-GOP debate/introspection is actually happening amidst the GOP's Trump stampede, but to me, this contest for the soul of the Democratic Party, between the Clinton neoLiberal establishmentarians & the camps of Senators Warren & Sanders, MUST NEEDS GO ON until LONG PAST the Convention selection of a Presidential candidate - FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICA'S POLITICAL SOUL, today
I have no idea whether any significantly substantive intra-GOP debate/introspection is actually happening amidst the GOP's Trump stampede, but to me, this contest for the soul of the Democratic Party, between the Clinton neoLiberal establishmentarians & the camps of Senators Warren & Sanders, MUST NEEDS GO ON until LONG PAST the Convention selection of a Presidential candidate - FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICA'S POLITICAL SOUL, today
1
Trump is seemed to be moving ahead : nothing can stop him because the people start to accept him because people feel that he is telling facts and some of them are reality : the reality even he has opposition from his party men and the political environments are in favor of him.
Bernie is a great guy with a great message who i feel genuinely yearns to bring real change but sadly lacks the organisational ability & capability required to run a massive campaign & take on the status quo.
Bernie should have studied the 2008 Obama campaign and atleast hired someone who could run his back room effectively and efficiently.
Bernie is overwhelmed by the status quo whereas, Trump threw too many stun grenades to recover in time.
No surprises next year; it will be business as usual in the US.
Biggest beneficiary is Garland...he will be confirmed after the elections.
Bernie should have studied the 2008 Obama campaign and atleast hired someone who could run his back room effectively and efficiently.
Bernie is overwhelmed by the status quo whereas, Trump threw too many stun grenades to recover in time.
No surprises next year; it will be business as usual in the US.
Biggest beneficiary is Garland...he will be confirmed after the elections.
1
Goodbye Bernie and lose with Cruz. Now maybe the issues of a crashing debt, Isis, and a tax plan can be discussed.
3
Trump and Clinton - two candidates with impeccable NeoCon and Neoliberal credentials winners in New York.
New Yorkers - Trump and Clinton a deadly cocktail who represent war, banksters, racists, fascists, misogyny, killing innocent men, women and children, create humanitarian disasters, Wall Street and the 1%.
We are truly looking into the abyss.
New Yorkers - Trump and Clinton a deadly cocktail who represent war, banksters, racists, fascists, misogyny, killing innocent men, women and children, create humanitarian disasters, Wall Street and the 1%.
We are truly looking into the abyss.
2
If anyone at the NYT had ever attended a Trump Live event they'd know that Trump can be quite presidential sounding. Not that they really want to know.
4
What the Clinton campaign should do is give Bernie a major voice in choosing a vice president for the Democratic ticket. That and a speech at the convention may be all his movement will have to show for their efforts.
2
WHY??? -- Bernie Sanders isn't even a Democrat.
What is the deal with New York voters not knowing whether they are registered with a party or have been dropped from the rolls due to lack of voting or error? Do the local election offices not send out Sample Ballots about a month before the election? That is what happens in California. All voters receive a sample ballot in the mail they can complete and take to the polls with them to transfer their selections to the official ballot (or copy onto their absentee ballot). The Sample Ballot also has candidate statements from those who choose to write them and arguments for and against ballot propositions. If we had to read all that in the voting booth, voting would take forever. We get it a month in advance, easy peasy. In fact, I received an email from the LA County Registrar of Voters yesterday asking if I would like to receive my Sample Ballot by email rather than snail mail...
2
It's not ALL New York voters --- Some have actually been enrolled in parties that can vote in State Primaries for a long time.
Yeah, I'll vote for Hillary. But if elected, I know she won't move the ball forward--- in fact, she may move it backwards a good bit. On the greatest moral issue of our day, Israel's treatment of Palestinians and the establishment of a free state of Palestine… she's a radical right-winger. She also makes lots of Rumsfeld/Rice noises vis a vis intervention in the Middle East. On the domestic side, she's silent on the environment; she's not aggressive on minimum wage or improving health care.
In other words, she's uninspiring.
She also is not some sort of potential bridge to a future firebrand.
She is what she is.
A go-along, get-along type of politician.
In this gerrymandered mess of a country, she may be the best we can hope for.
What a mess.
In other words, she's uninspiring.
She also is not some sort of potential bridge to a future firebrand.
She is what she is.
A go-along, get-along type of politician.
In this gerrymandered mess of a country, she may be the best we can hope for.
What a mess.
1
time for bernie to put forth some position papers on how he would bring about the change he is arguing for.
2
Just more proof that New York isn't really a liberal state.
It's more like a typical Blue Dog state with a few left-of-center views on a couple social issues here and there; the kind of state that holds back the rest of the country from implementing true progressive ideals.
It's certainly not the bastion of liberalism that people make it out to be.
It's more like a typical Blue Dog state with a few left-of-center views on a couple social issues here and there; the kind of state that holds back the rest of the country from implementing true progressive ideals.
It's certainly not the bastion of liberalism that people make it out to be.
1
There is no surprise here, no upset. NY is a closed primary, so it constrained the number of eligible voters to those who had declared party affiliation 6 months ago. On the Dems side I think the adjectives used in this reporting have to be taken with a grain of salt, the only upset or severe blow would have been a Sanders tie or win. Clinton is obviously the choice for party insiders and leaders. A closed primary gives Clinton a great advantage, not saying that it's a good or bad thing. It just is what it is. This did not test a broader voting population, it wasn't designed that way.
The story for the GOP is still all about the party itself. What will historically high and escalating amounts of demagoguery do to representative democracy in the US? Insider created Tea party politics seems to block moderation and diversity of thought from the party. Its more about getting people to pledge loyalty to belong to the tribe. Then the party goes about the business of using an industry of think tanks, and party aligned poliitcal media outlets to make talking points fit the narrow agenda no matter how twisted the pretzel logic gets. It seems unsustainable in a representative democracy, and something has to give. At this point all eyes are on the GOP convention to see where American politics is going.
The story for the GOP is still all about the party itself. What will historically high and escalating amounts of demagoguery do to representative democracy in the US? Insider created Tea party politics seems to block moderation and diversity of thought from the party. Its more about getting people to pledge loyalty to belong to the tribe. Then the party goes about the business of using an industry of think tanks, and party aligned poliitcal media outlets to make talking points fit the narrow agenda no matter how twisted the pretzel logic gets. It seems unsustainable in a representative democracy, and something has to give. At this point all eyes are on the GOP convention to see where American politics is going.
3
All these Sanders supporters crying about how the Democrat establishment rigged the primary and prevented people from voting etc. And here foolish little ol' me thought that only the evil Republicans did that. Dems, you are not one iota different than the "1% Republican establishment" that you claim to despise.
2
I agree that the "rules are the rules", but that doesn't mean the rules should not be changed going forward. Since there is a virtual duopoly of the two parties in national elections, it is outrageous that primaries should be "closed". Either provide greater access for viable alternative parties, or open the primaries to all voters in every state. With the majority of americans no longer affiliated with either of the two parties, our "democracy" is being dangerously undermined.
3
A closed primary plus voter suppression should be a LOT more concerning for you commenters. Instead, HC supporters gloat and seem not to care that some NY voters were disenfranchised. Disgusting.
5
@groucho
Not true. No Primary voter suppression here -- Just rules that some people didn't bother to look up before Election Day. Every state has them, and they're all different.
Not true. No Primary voter suppression here -- Just rules that some people didn't bother to look up before Election Day. Every state has them, and they're all different.
I'm shocked that 150,000 people in Lower Manhattan didn't realize that NY was NOT an open primary--that registered Independents and Republicans would have to re-register to vote in the Democratic Primary. If you move you have to notify the board. If you fail to vote in multiple elections you need to contact them. If you're away you need to fill out an absentee ballot (which you need to apply for).
Voting is both a right and a privilege. It does however require some thought and action to actually show up at the booth and be legally recognized. It's great to attend rallies (ask Trumps kids) but each individual has to navigate State law. having voted in 5 states over the years I can attest to the fact that it's a pain but NOT very difficult.
THINK, people. It's patriotic.
Voting is both a right and a privilege. It does however require some thought and action to actually show up at the booth and be legally recognized. It's great to attend rallies (ask Trumps kids) but each individual has to navigate State law. having voted in 5 states over the years I can attest to the fact that it's a pain but NOT very difficult.
THINK, people. It's patriotic.
8
I'm looking forward to the race here in California, where, I hear, Bernie will win by a "yuge" margin. Go Bernie! It ain't over 'til it's over!
14
It's over.
3
Reading these comments, I cannot believe what poor losers the Bernie Bros show themselves to be. When Hilary lost primary states, I didn't hear her supporters whining about how rigged the system is, etc. Whatever one may think of her ethics, she's not stealing Bernie's votes. Now Sanders wants to go after the super delegates, the very instruments of the "corrupt Democratic Party establishment" he deplores. This is a political campaign, not a crusade, and St Bernie's worshipful suporters would do well to remember this.
32
The good news is that most of the Sanders supporters are not poor losers. No doubt, there is a faction of Sanders supporters who voice their discontent by accusing every one and every institution of corruption, and they seem to take some satisfaction is declaring that they will pull the temple down on top of themselves to prove their point. But, these are a minority of Sanders supporters.
1
@christian
Are we reading the same comment section??? -- There are A LOT of disgruntled Sanders supporters posting here.
Are we reading the same comment section??? -- There are A LOT of disgruntled Sanders supporters posting here.
If Hill wins most of the primary contests in the NE primaries, then Sanders should get the message that it is game over for him. Now that the writing on the wall is clear, the decent thing that Sanders can do is to get back to his day-job: senator he was elected to be. (Thom Hartman is also depressed and he can grace his radio show with his 'Call Bernie' gig)
9
Then so should Senator Ted. 'Course, Senator Ted wasn't doing his darn job in the first place, so maybe he might's well just stay on the stump and keep losing.
To the Hillary supporters out there telling Bernie to get out of the race or saying that Bernie isn't the only progressive:
When Hillary messes up or panders to the right - which she will do, as she has so often done throughout her career on a multitude of issues, including gay marriage, free trade, and starting fake wars in the Middle East, just to name a few - then I hope you know that I will be the first in line saying "Hey, I told you so, but whatever, keep thinking that Hillary is a progressive because she tells you she is... and forget about last week when she told you she was a Blue Dog centrist hawk."
When Hillary messes up or panders to the right - which she will do, as she has so often done throughout her career on a multitude of issues, including gay marriage, free trade, and starting fake wars in the Middle East, just to name a few - then I hope you know that I will be the first in line saying "Hey, I told you so, but whatever, keep thinking that Hillary is a progressive because she tells you she is... and forget about last week when she told you she was a Blue Dog centrist hawk."
18
"Major setback"...it is not...not for Sanders. Hillary Clinton didn't win by a land slight as she should have. This race is going on and I hope -like so many- that Bernie Sanders will stay in the race to the convention .
As for the Republican party...they can't be helped.
As for the Republican party...they can't be helped.
6
58 is not a landslide? Stay away from mountains my friend
1
That burst of anger from Bernie to Hillary is not just contrived for effect, that's how Bernie really feels about her and every thing she stands for. The corruption in the American electoral process creates dynasties like the Clintons, and then you can't get rid of them. Social democrats like Bernie absolutely detest manipulative politicians.
Does that mean Bernie is an angry old man? Yes it does.
It's over for my Bernie and Hillary will win the nomination. Trump will dump the obnoxious New Yorker persona and follow his campaign staff advice. He will find a way to destroy Hillary using the swamp she has emerged from and win the presidency.
Trump is a mix of his home grown values, both liberal and conservative. He will repair the infrastructure but he will not attack social security or Obama care. The Republican congress will support him and the government will begin to function again.
Hillary will finally go away!
Does that mean Bernie is an angry old man? Yes it does.
It's over for my Bernie and Hillary will win the nomination. Trump will dump the obnoxious New Yorker persona and follow his campaign staff advice. He will find a way to destroy Hillary using the swamp she has emerged from and win the presidency.
Trump is a mix of his home grown values, both liberal and conservative. He will repair the infrastructure but he will not attack social security or Obama care. The Republican congress will support him and the government will begin to function again.
Hillary will finally go away!
10
Dude are you married? Women will not forgive trump they do not forget. And the black and Latinos? Nada either. Ttump is toast and dont forget although the skeltons in his closet are waiting to rise up.
1
Mike.....that's what is crazy about our bizarre way of electing presidents....anyone can run and anyone can win....qualifications are irrelevant....there are 7 months to the election, more than enough time for Trump to reinvent himself and for voters to lower their expectations and fool themselves into thinking Trump won't be so bad!
2
In fairness to Mr. Trump I do appreciate that's he chosen to highlight the candidate selection process during this election cycle.
Most voters, Republican and Democrats alike, are outraged that voting results can be set aside by party delegates and insiders in preference to some Favorite Son who just couldn't cut it with the voters (minor details!).
The only thing more galling is when they turn around and attempt to label it democracy in action. The last thing the RNC needs is a contested convention. It will not go well for them.
This process is in dire need of an overhaul. With technology today, there's no good reason to not have direct popular votes.
Most voters, Republican and Democrats alike, are outraged that voting results can be set aside by party delegates and insiders in preference to some Favorite Son who just couldn't cut it with the voters (minor details!).
The only thing more galling is when they turn around and attempt to label it democracy in action. The last thing the RNC needs is a contested convention. It will not go well for them.
This process is in dire need of an overhaul. With technology today, there's no good reason to not have direct popular votes.
5
Absolutely. And I too appreciate Trump for highlighting this.
The Empire State struck back and taught Ted Cruz a lesson about those New York values he was so disdainful of.
12
" Makes no sense that 3 million Independents could not vote in the Democratic primary. " Am I missing something here ? These primaries are to elect the nominee of the Democratic party, aren't they ? If your backers can not lower themselves to be registered as Democrats for a brief time, then sorry Bernie.
19
"These primaries are to elect the nominee of the Democratic party, aren't they ?"
Yes. But the "nominee" is to be selected by Democrats. On the other side, the "nominee" of the Republican part is to be selected by Republicans. If Independents want to select a nominee, the need to form a party. That's the way it works.
When November rolls around, you get to vote however you see fit...
Yes. But the "nominee" is to be selected by Democrats. On the other side, the "nominee" of the Republican part is to be selected by Republicans. If Independents want to select a nominee, the need to form a party. That's the way it works.
When November rolls around, you get to vote however you see fit...
1
Well, from my side I say that for a state which was supposed to have an unabashed love affair with HRC, there was a helluva lot of infidelity going on yesterday, and it wasn't between the bed sheets: it was on the ballot sheets! 42%, incidentally, is nothing shabby for a ragged professor-style senator who started campaigning a year ago, compared to Hillary, who began in 1991.
And 42% may be enough to convince California's waffling delegates that there's a now a very large hole in her beautiful balloon! It ain't over til the Fat Lady sings, and she's just been to Jenny Craig, lookin' fabulous.
And 42% may be enough to convince California's waffling delegates that there's a now a very large hole in her beautiful balloon! It ain't over til the Fat Lady sings, and she's just been to Jenny Craig, lookin' fabulous.
8
Lol. The delusion is strong with you BS supporters. Bernie said he would win, he did not. He lost by a lot. Grow up and face reality.
Btw, I'm in California and it's Clinton country here too. Good luck and don't forget to vote for Hillary in November!
Btw, I'm in California and it's Clinton country here too. Good luck and don't forget to vote for Hillary in November!
Sanders lost Brooklyn, and that's because Brooklyn is a lot more than Park Slope. Much like the rest of the country. An important quality in a leader (in followers too) is the ability to confront reality and deal with it effectively. Bernie has only a technical and not a real chance of winning the Democratic nomination. How Sanders and his supporters confront that reality will be an important indicator of whether the Sanders "movement" is anything more substantial than Occupy Wall Street.
If Sanders won most ofthe counties, and Clinton the populous ones, why is the Times showing the pro-Clinton map>??
7
More people = more votes = Hillary won.
Math, it's not that hard if you try.
Math, it's not that hard if you try.
Because people vote, not acres of land.
The population of many of those counties could fit in a few blocks on NYC.
You're being sarcastic, right?
The population of many of those counties could fit in a few blocks on NYC.
You're being sarcastic, right?
Sanders followers never cease to amaze. He lost by a larger margin than predicted, and yet here you are wanting the NYT to show a map that would make it 'look' like he won based on geographical milage...not based on actual votes. smh.
The elected officials who endorsed Sanders deserve our support. I'm thinking
especially of Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard and Ritchie Torres (Bronx member of NY City Council). They are young and talented, have been among the most
articulate Sanders surrogates. Also the Congressmen and Senator who came out for their colleague. Heaven knows what retaliation they are facing from the Democratic establishment. I will look for ways to support their future elections with my $27.
especially of Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard and Ritchie Torres (Bronx member of NY City Council). They are young and talented, have been among the most
articulate Sanders surrogates. Also the Congressmen and Senator who came out for their colleague. Heaven knows what retaliation they are facing from the Democratic establishment. I will look for ways to support their future elections with my $27.
11
Also the down ticket women who Bernie is splitting his contributions with who are running for office, and are truly are progressives. I am excited to say that I can participate through my contributions to the Sanders campaign in certainty that the money intended for those women progessives will actually reach them in support of their campaigns.
2
I agree 100%. Tulsi Gabbard and Nina Turner are the next stars of the progressive movement, in my mind. I so love how Nina Turner completely decimates Barney Frank whenever the two meet up. It's the best.
I had a lot of friends try and vote yesterday. Some were told no because they hadn't registered early enough, some were told no because they had registered but their registration was incorrect, or some other clerical error.
I do not take these results at face value.
I do not take these results at face value.
6
"Clerical errors"? Not because your friends registered as "Independent" for a closed primary?
3
I though New Yorker's were smarter than that. Clinton will reverse ALL of the good Obama did against Wall Street. She will allow for the elitist rich people to rule again. STOP listening to the wealthy people in your state, just because they have money does not make them smarter than you. VOTE SANDERS!!!!
6
The problem with all this post victory hoop la by Clinton supporters to again launch into another self congratulatory chorus of how progressive they are is cringe inducing. Would she be more progressive than Donald Trump obviously yes. But beyond that low bar how progressive will she be? Certainly in the financial world she will be awash in contradictions. In foreign policy one hopes we will see an end to these self defeating interventions she seems all too ready to leap into.
9
I read a comment recently here in which HRC and GWB were both described as "neo-liberals"; my jaw just dropped. When the connection between words and meaning, and between meaning and reality are just tossed away like that, it's impossible for people with different views to communicate - or even to judge whether they fundamentally *have* different views.
1
Your page 1 above the fold headline equates Cruz and Sanders' loses. Cruz received less than 15% while Sanders received more than 42%. A loss for Sanders but no where near an equal loss.
27
Ok so Bernie is a loser but not as big of a loser as Cruz, feel better?
A loser is a loser
A loser is a loser
Yep, you're helping the party unity.
Chris Matthews gave Trump sharp advice last night as he said [in comparison to China, Japan, Germany] Penn Station, our airports, public schools, roads, rail system are all tragic. "Remember when we used to build stuff like that?" as Matthews motioned to the Brooklyn Bridge in the background. "It took us only one year to build the Empire State Building during the Depression!"
Matthews went on, "I can ride a 300 mph train in Singapore and my can of Coke on the table doesn't jiggle. If Trump was smart, he'd focus on his construction background when he talks about how great he's going to make this country. Americans want these larger than life projects, they want to be proud of this nation's infrastructure, but — and I hate to say it — the left can't be trusted with the money and the right refuses to fund them."
Even Ms. Maddow added, "Brilliantly put, Chris."
If someone from Trump Tower was listening, that is a winning general campaign.
Matthews went on, "I can ride a 300 mph train in Singapore and my can of Coke on the table doesn't jiggle. If Trump was smart, he'd focus on his construction background when he talks about how great he's going to make this country. Americans want these larger than life projects, they want to be proud of this nation's infrastructure, but — and I hate to say it — the left can't be trusted with the money and the right refuses to fund them."
Even Ms. Maddow added, "Brilliantly put, Chris."
If someone from Trump Tower was listening, that is a winning general campaign.
11
Possibly, but we'd then certainly hear a lot about:
-- eminent domain
-- undocumented Polish construction workers
-- Trump real estate bankruptcies
Trump tries very hard to emphasize the high level deal making, and obscure the murky details. My gut reaction to the terms "real estate" and "construction" aren't exactly positive. But then again I also don't like "loud mouth" and "buffoon"!
-- eminent domain
-- undocumented Polish construction workers
-- Trump real estate bankruptcies
Trump tries very hard to emphasize the high level deal making, and obscure the murky details. My gut reaction to the terms "real estate" and "construction" aren't exactly positive. But then again I also don't like "loud mouth" and "buffoon"!
I hope Hillary was listening, too.
1
Chris Matthews missed that train out of MSNBC years ago. Put it this way, he's no Walter Cronkite and not worth watching.
It is interesting that more people voted for Bernie Sanders than for Donald Trump.
26
Actually, what is interesting is that twice as many people voted for Clinton than Trump.
2
in the liberal bastion that is New York? Surprising how?
And way, way more for Hillary!
3
Why no discussion of democratic party disenfranchisement in Brooklyn?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carbonatedtv/63500-purged-of-voter-reg_b_9...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carbonatedtv/63500-purged-of-voter-reg_b_9...
14
While any votes not counted should be investigated and taken seriously, I think the Sanders camp is barking up the wrong tree by implying this hurt him. Clinton won Brooklyn. If these votes had been counted it stands to reason the majority would have been in her favor as well.
Shh .. this is a State secret. where is Brooklyn, anyway, and why do you ask?
Hillary Clinton "won" a long closed primary. So what ? A closed election is not what she would face in the fall. Had the NY primary been open...Bernie Sanders would have handily prevailed. It is the independents who will swing the fall election...and they are not for Hillary.
18
So what?
Bernie said he would win. He knew it was a closed primary, as many are, and he claimed he had to win, and he would win.
He lost.
Bernie said he would win. He knew it was a closed primary, as many are, and he claimed he had to win, and he would win.
He lost.
1
There is an article in today's New York Times that John Kasich and Bernie Sanders should not be pressured to quit. Ted Cruz came in third and is extremely low in the delegate count, perhaps he should consider quitting now so we have a two man race on the Republican side? He should know that he has little chance at the nomination.
5
Bernie, you are all washed up, maybe you should go to Philadelphia.
4
If you mean he might be able to pitch for the Phillies, you could be right.
Hey Ted. Remember your Hurricane Sandy Aid vote?
13
So, for republicans, eight years of Bush was not enough of a wake up call. They are hell bent on trying to elect someone ten times worse than the man who gave us not one but two trillion dollar failed wars and capped his time in office with the worst recession since the great depression. Extreme gullibility combined with with fear and hatred is the oldest human nightmare, and it's happening again.
9
It makes no sense to Bernie that independents could not vote in the *Democratic* primary? Maybe that's because he himself is not a Democrat.
Asked flat out if he was a Democrat at the last debate, he didn't say, "Yes." Instead he equivocated and said something like, "I'm running for the Democratic nomination, aren't I?"
WelL, yes, you are Bernie. That was the point behind the question.
While he was off having a photo op with the Pope, she was raising money to help elect Democrats up and down ballots all across the country. (Which, btw, he would need if he were elected to have a chance in hell of getting his bold agenda made into law.)
#RealDemocratsVoteForDemocrats
Asked flat out if he was a Democrat at the last debate, he didn't say, "Yes." Instead he equivocated and said something like, "I'm running for the Democratic nomination, aren't I?"
WelL, yes, you are Bernie. That was the point behind the question.
While he was off having a photo op with the Pope, she was raising money to help elect Democrats up and down ballots all across the country. (Which, btw, he would need if he were elected to have a chance in hell of getting his bold agenda made into law.)
#RealDemocratsVoteForDemocrats
27
Anyone who supports Hillary Clinton knows plenty about equivocation...
1
I hope NY fixes whatever they screwed up in 'cleaning' the rolls, but even if all the voters who felt they had been removed in error would have voted for Bernie, Hillary still would have had almost 200,000 more votes than him in the end. She beat him, fair and square.
25
@Sue
How about candidates? Since that seems to be the only thing that really matters.
How about candidates? Since that seems to be the only thing that really matters.
@Sue:
True, but she would have fewer *delegates* and that's what this race is about.
True, but she would have fewer *delegates* and that's what this race is about.
2
New York confirmed how popular Hillary is in this state as a result of the outstanding job she did as Senator. As someone who worked in the Financial District five blocks from the WTC I saw her handiwork first hand. It's also possible that Bernie's decision to go back on his promise of never going negative and his foolhardy attacks on her -- none of which he could back up when pressed -- was part of the reason he lost. His kindly but passionate uncle mask not only slipped, it was blown away. I don't agree with Bernie on much -- and I think he is sexist and rude, but I believe he is better than the person we've seen the past few weeks. He has every right to stay in the race -- Hillary did eight years ago. But Hillary is farther ahead of Bernie now than Obama was ahead of Hillary. I hope Bernie will follow Hillary's example of eight years ago, recognize when the game is over and close ranks with her against the Republicans.
24
She is not popular in the state. Check the county-by-county map available elsewhere on NYT. She did very poorly in most of upstate.
3
"As news photographers and cameramen kept encroaching on her while she tried to vote, Mrs. Clinton finally shooed them away. “Guys, it’s a private ballot,” she said."
Editors need to do a MUCH better job getting rid of sexist language in "news" coverage. I can't imagine you would say "Mr. Trump/Cruise "shooed them away." Very disappointing!
Editors need to do a MUCH better job getting rid of sexist language in "news" coverage. I can't imagine you would say "Mr. Trump/Cruise "shooed them away." Very disappointing!
6
Mrs. is more about to whom she is married.
Thanks for reminding us that political correctness is out of control. I hadn't realized that "shoo" is an example of a sexist verb.
@CSWIN,
I find it rather curious that Clinton tells the press to stand back while she's trying to vote, but apparently had no difficulty breaking the law by campaigning inside a NYC subway train that had passengers on it.
4-20-16@12:28 pm
I find it rather curious that Clinton tells the press to stand back while she's trying to vote, but apparently had no difficulty breaking the law by campaigning inside a NYC subway train that had passengers on it.
4-20-16@12:28 pm
1
The fact that Sanders won almost all of upstate shows that this is an election about the economy, with the haves among white Democrats voting for Clinton and the have-nots voting for Sanders. There are different dynamics at play among non-white voters, for whom Sanders' message just isn't resonating. Sanders strength appears to be in rural and economically depressed areas, which show this country has undergone a major transformation thanks to deindustrialization. That rural voters are amenable to a Jewish socialist would be unthinkable a generation ago.
22
@qa,
I wonder, sometimes, what sources besides the NYT some readers use for news. You're umpteenth person to say that Sanders message doesn't resonate with someone like me or those whom I know. I've spent time with a lot of other non-white Sanders voters: fellow Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Haitians, etc.
If you're saying that rural voters grasp Sanders's message, that's great. But please don't suggest that people like me don't exist, because we do. A lot of us voted for the mensch.
4-20-16@12:37 pm
I wonder, sometimes, what sources besides the NYT some readers use for news. You're umpteenth person to say that Sanders message doesn't resonate with someone like me or those whom I know. I've spent time with a lot of other non-white Sanders voters: fellow Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Haitians, etc.
If you're saying that rural voters grasp Sanders's message, that's great. But please don't suggest that people like me don't exist, because we do. A lot of us voted for the mensch.
4-20-16@12:37 pm
3
The takers vote for Sanders
The producers vote for Clinton
Look at upstate NY, when was the last time those areas contributed anything of worth to the NY economy?
The producers vote for Clinton
Look at upstate NY, when was the last time those areas contributed anything of worth to the NY economy?
2
@LI,
I might be insulted by your comment if I were't laughing! Your arrogance and prejudgment are amazing. I know a lot of very hard working Sanders voters, from different walks of life and income. My mom, a public school teacher and librarian finally retired when she was 80 years old. She voted for Sanders. A friend of the family is a Clinton voter and we'd never dream of being as rude to him and, frankly as ignorant, as you sound now.
4-20-16@2:34 pm
I might be insulted by your comment if I were't laughing! Your arrogance and prejudgment are amazing. I know a lot of very hard working Sanders voters, from different walks of life and income. My mom, a public school teacher and librarian finally retired when she was 80 years old. She voted for Sanders. A friend of the family is a Clinton voter and we'd never dream of being as rude to him and, frankly as ignorant, as you sound now.
4-20-16@2:34 pm
NYT, I know you endorsed Ms. Clinton and are giving her campaign the full court press.
However, it is a bit much to log on and open the NYT page and have her advertisement override all the front page news.
What happened to 'all the news that's fit to print'?
However, it is a bit much to log on and open the NYT page and have her advertisement override all the front page news.
What happened to 'all the news that's fit to print'?
12
They sell ad space to people who buy ad space. This is how the online business model works. This is how the NYTs stays in business. So, what, because you are sour grapes that she won, you didn't want them to sell her ad space as they did for, say, Sanders? Give me a break.
I understand the business. And yes I would have the same reaction with another candidate. I am accustomed to the sidebar for HRC just was suprised with the new placement .
To put the NY primary into perspective: NY is one of the most closed primaries. And WI is one of the most open. WI is now being called an outlier, but actually, it fits neatly into the narrative that Hillary and Donald are the front runners. For one simple reason. The OPEN WI primary allowed for strategic voting via crossing of "party lines" (there is no party designation in WI).
So, some GOP voters cast a vote for Bernie - to weaken Hillary. And some Dems and independents, along with some GOP, voted for Cruz or Kasich - to weaken Trump.
If you consider what I've just written (and I know whereof I speak), then you can see that WI never really "meant" that the front runners were losing steam. It meant that when front runners are pretty strong, an open primary is an invitation for mischief! (Even an old lady from NY, a staunch Dem, a longtime WI resident, confided her mischief to me. Likewise an old man, a loyal republican, decided on mischief. Others too, of course.)
Always remember, sometimes an old adage is useful: There's more than one way to skin a cat. Or explain a horse race.
So, some GOP voters cast a vote for Bernie - to weaken Hillary. And some Dems and independents, along with some GOP, voted for Cruz or Kasich - to weaken Trump.
If you consider what I've just written (and I know whereof I speak), then you can see that WI never really "meant" that the front runners were losing steam. It meant that when front runners are pretty strong, an open primary is an invitation for mischief! (Even an old lady from NY, a staunch Dem, a longtime WI resident, confided her mischief to me. Likewise an old man, a loyal republican, decided on mischief. Others too, of course.)
Always remember, sometimes an old adage is useful: There's more than one way to skin a cat. Or explain a horse race.
20
Down here in virginia the primary is open so I a dem voted for trump to rig the election. It does happen. Thry all shoulddbe closd.
1
No matter how many primaries HRC wins. I will NOT be voting for that Republican during the general election. With all of those democrats de-registered in Brooklyn and the millions of Independents unable to vote, she hardly won fair & square. We need to let Trump win to teach the Democratic national party a lesson. We are tired of them ignoring our wishes and that un-democratic Delegate system. The Dems need a Tea Party!
8
"The Dems need a Tea Party!"
You have one: Sanders.
You have one: Sanders.
And you're in London, demanding that the the Democratic Party gets taken over by demogogues and tin-pot mussolinis. Nice.
Thanks for your contempt for the millions of immigrants, the women who'd lose Roe, the kids who'd lose health care, the workers who'd lose min wage, but you may want to not be so smugly sure that London is minimum safe distance, should you get what you want
Thanks for your contempt for the millions of immigrants, the women who'd lose Roe, the kids who'd lose health care, the workers who'd lose min wage, but you may want to not be so smugly sure that London is minimum safe distance, should you get what you want
Whaaaaaaaaa! I don't like rules, so life's unfair!
Please take a moment to reflect, you might need to talk to more people in your life. Because Clinton has more support
Please take a moment to reflect, you might need to talk to more people in your life. Because Clinton has more support
Well, grandpa is drooling on the dinning room table again, mom is busy on the kitchen making sure the roast doesn't burn. Its time for auntie Liz to come and wheel grandpa to the living room and park him on front of the TV. It's a painful scene but it has to be done so we all can eat peacefully. He gets agitated and starts rambling about Wall Street and the wealthy. We know he is right but we also know that in his condition and advanced age the only place he belongs is on a senior's home. We are all very grateful for the years of joy we spent with him, when he chased us around and blew raspberries on our bellies.
Okay Ms. Warren it's time for you to come out of your cocoon and endorse Hillary, its on your hands to stop Mr. Sanders charades before he destroys the party he just joined and hands the White House to the Republicans. Your silence=-death.
Okay Ms. Warren it's time for you to come out of your cocoon and endorse Hillary, its on your hands to stop Mr. Sanders charades before he destroys the party he just joined and hands the White House to the Republicans. Your silence=-death.
7
@Rafael,
Drooling? Please consider how many people you've just mocked or insulted who drool for reasons not related to age. Also, please bear in mind the mere 6 year age difference btwn Sanders and Clinton.
Warren could just as easily endorse Sanders. And from what I've read and seen, including a well known youtube video of Warren talking to Bill Moyers about Clinton's about face re bankruptcy protection, she seems more of a Sanders soulmate than a Clinton soulmate. None of it's moot because it's getting (is already) late and she's endorsed no one.
BTW, whether Sanders's campaign is a charade is a matter of opinion. Many, disagree with you, including me. And for a number of Sanders voters, it's not just a question of what's right for the party. For a lot of us, it's about what we feel we need and want for this country, ourselves as citizens and this planet.
4-20-16@1:15 pm
Drooling? Please consider how many people you've just mocked or insulted who drool for reasons not related to age. Also, please bear in mind the mere 6 year age difference btwn Sanders and Clinton.
Warren could just as easily endorse Sanders. And from what I've read and seen, including a well known youtube video of Warren talking to Bill Moyers about Clinton's about face re bankruptcy protection, she seems more of a Sanders soulmate than a Clinton soulmate. None of it's moot because it's getting (is already) late and she's endorsed no one.
BTW, whether Sanders's campaign is a charade is a matter of opinion. Many, disagree with you, including me. And for a number of Sanders voters, it's not just a question of what's right for the party. For a lot of us, it's about what we feel we need and want for this country, ourselves as citizens and this planet.
4-20-16@1:15 pm
3
@Lady Scorpio
Nicely put. Your measured response to unacceptable rudeness is admirable...
Nicely put. Your measured response to unacceptable rudeness is admirable...
1
New York had a chance to change the course of history for the better. Instead, we voted for Hillary. As a Sanders supporter, I understand that this pretty much settles the nomination process. However, I can't bring myself to support a hawk. I fear a Clinton presidency, leaving me with only one last choice to make -- Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.
10
I hope you enjoy a Trump presidency as much as you enjoyed George W. Bush. Thank God people like yourself did not sully yourselves by voting for Al Gore.
2
And that will give you a Republican in the White House.
That will show em!!!!
That will show em!!!!
1
Memo to Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders supporters: helping Donald Trump by demonizing Hillary Clinton represents a revolution that I do not want to have any part of.
23
RIGHT ON. This Bernie supporter will be more than happy to vote Clinton.
2
Memo to Code1. If Hillary gets the nomination, Trump is President.
3
Memo to Code 1: Clinton does a fine job demonizing herself. No help needed from her opponent.
1
Let's hope that seeing his name on the ballot in New York has given Trump the enlightenment he so desperately needs and the leader his followers so desperately deserve.
ABC ("Anyone But Cruz")
ABC ("Anyone But Cruz")
2
Some candidates and some citizens seem to forget that in our system, it is the *political parties* that nominate candidates, not the general electorate; and each *political party* in each state has the freedom to determine the manner in which it does so.
21
Trump seems the proverbial crazy like a fox. Savvy and shrewd….already changing his presentation somewhat….…he understands selling (and nostalgia for a bygone America) and that is, lamentably, what campaigns are now. Better than Cruz certainly. He could well be a scary, awful president or he might surprise. And an awful lot of folks out there are willing to take that flyer because what he gets, that Bernie does in a reverse way, is that the system is more broken than in recent memory and our path on many levels is truly not sustainable. HRC is firmly rooted in that broken system and establishment incrementalism (along with a sizable side of personal enrichment). Gonna seem like a long 6.5 months.
9
With NY Primary results in, my hope is that Republicans will quickly warm up to President Obama's Supreme Court nominee Mr. Garland and confirm him. If Mr. Trump is the eventual nominee, the odds that a Democrat will win the presidency will become very high. Hope the Republicans come to their senses and do their job.
3
If a Clinton victory means that 3.0 million New Yorkers didn't get to vote and that her national lead is slipping, then it was a great night for her.
Can we please have an open primary in NYS, or stop having the state subsidize these elections and let the DNC and RNC pay for it on their own. I don't want to be tied to any party and I should be able to vote for whoever I want if my tax dollars are paying for an election.
Can we please have an open primary in NYS, or stop having the state subsidize these elections and let the DNC and RNC pay for it on their own. I don't want to be tied to any party and I should be able to vote for whoever I want if my tax dollars are paying for an election.
17
And let's certainly get rid of the undemocratic caucuses where Mr. Sanders won.
Okay?
Okay?
No, why should non-party members have a say in who the D or R nominee is?
Go nominate your own I candidate
You are free to vote in Nov for candidate of your choosing
Go nominate your own I candidate
You are free to vote in Nov for candidate of your choosing
I think caucuses should be done away with - they should all be open voter primaries.
If Trump, and especially Bernie, ever became the president of the United States, there would be a freeze in Congress that may even surpass the one now smoldering against Obama. Do you think for one minute Bernie could go to Congress and just wiggle his nose (like in Bewitched) and make all his dreams come true? We'd all have to wear mittens and earmuffs for 4 solid years until the next election. Hillary is smart and cunning and I think would know how to deal with those idiots to get things done. In a perfect world, Bernie might be able to reach his ideals, but since we’re dealing with reality here, Hillary is the way to go.
18
Why are people concerned about "closed" primaries? The whole idea is for party members (not outsiders) to choose their candidate. The reason primaries are and should remain closed is that independents and members of another party can manipulate the outcome of a close race for their own reasons.
Surely people remember past elections where people switched parties to vote for the candidate they thought would be least likely to beat their anointed front runner. If Clinton or Sanders had the nomination tied up, wouldn't it be smart to vote Republican and try to mess up the GOP? There have been campaigns in other states to do just this in the past.
The notion that independents are somehow disenfranchised also does not ring true. They choose to not be bothered by the whole primary system then complain about the candidates. I have news for you, affiliate with a party and initiate change, otherwise you are just being lazy. There is no requirement that a registered Republican or Democrat vote only for that party's candidates in the November election and I doubt many have such a strong party affiliation.
Surely people remember past elections where people switched parties to vote for the candidate they thought would be least likely to beat their anointed front runner. If Clinton or Sanders had the nomination tied up, wouldn't it be smart to vote Republican and try to mess up the GOP? There have been campaigns in other states to do just this in the past.
The notion that independents are somehow disenfranchised also does not ring true. They choose to not be bothered by the whole primary system then complain about the candidates. I have news for you, affiliate with a party and initiate change, otherwise you are just being lazy. There is no requirement that a registered Republican or Democrat vote only for that party's candidates in the November election and I doubt many have such a strong party affiliation.
21
Do "independent" voters really want to be part of anything?
7
@Steve Bolger
It's a "feel good" position for people who hate make decisions. It allows them to believe their "choices" to be the best informed. And most important of all: an independent is free to brand both parties as un-American and their members as partisan ideologues... Perfect, no?
It's a "feel good" position for people who hate make decisions. It allows them to believe their "choices" to be the best informed. And most important of all: an independent is free to brand both parties as un-American and their members as partisan ideologues... Perfect, no?
1
Sanders won 109 delegates. This was not a landslide. A sizeable chunk of New York broke away from what Clinton stands for despite her control over state and local political figures. Methinks the headlines miss the point
16
Yeah! HRC!!!
10
Bernie supporters should be "allowed" to feel sad, angry, defensive, and hopeful against all (mathematical) odds. Pardon the generalization, but after all, would we expect anything different from HRC supporters if she had lost? So do your best to curtail the paternalistic chanting of how Bernie has to quit, Bernie supporters have to get in line, unite the party etc. We are not robots, and no matter how you might characterize it (pie in the sky, utopian) many of us are driven by principles in our support for Bernie. A deep divide has occurred in the democratic party, and this is a healthy divide for it compels its mandarin leadership to rethink its core commitments and wake up to the fact that the era of defensive voting is waning. We can't afford low-information-presidents.
13
Can anyone tell me why Bernie would not decide, in a month or two, to run as an Independent, since he consistently garners 60-75% of independent votes in primaries?
Couple that with the amount of registered Dems he can win (40% on average) and it would seem he has a better of chance of beating Trump?
Couple that with the amount of registered Dems he can win (40% on average) and it would seem he has a better of chance of beating Trump?
3
Because it is clear he couldn't beat Hillary.
By running as an Independent, he would only do what Nader did in 2000 and siphon votes from the Democrat, in turn putting a Republican in the WH.
By running as an Independent, he would only do what Nader did in 2000 and siphon votes from the Democrat, in turn putting a Republican in the WH.
1
Why he shouldn't? Two words: "Ralph Nader"
But since Sanders is not a Democrat, he probably will - and he will happily get Trump elected president since Trump and Sanders are two sides of the same coin (of inchoate anger)
But since Sanders is not a Democrat, he probably will - and he will happily get Trump elected president since Trump and Sanders are two sides of the same coin (of inchoate anger)
Jake,
I don't think Sanders would run as an independent because he knows that he would just split the liberal/left-leaning independent vote and thereby let an extreme neoconservative slip into the White House. He would then be forever reviled just as Ralph Nader was for allegedly splitting the liberal vote that would have otherwise gone for Gore in 2000.
I don't think Sanders would run as an independent because he knows that he would just split the liberal/left-leaning independent vote and thereby let an extreme neoconservative slip into the White House. He would then be forever reviled just as Ralph Nader was for allegedly splitting the liberal vote that would have otherwise gone for Gore in 2000.
1
Lets sit back and watch her shift more and more right.
12
To Bernie supporters. Thank you for your ongoing fight. In a revolution it takes both the spear point fire brands and the more moderate politicians. Clinton is no George Washington,. But George Washington was not the 'clean' person that he is portrayed as. He kept slaves and the revolution which he spear headed helped his land speculations in the Ohio valley. So as we trash Hillary for her possible personal gains we need to remember that she is a vehicle for progressive interests and we must hold her accountable.
4
Oh dear, is Sanders going to start attacking Washington now?
Now the race to the bottom really begins!
8
Please stop acting as if all Hillary needs to do is place her hand on the Bible (another archaic ritual we could do without) and take the Oath of Office. Polls, graphs, pundits and strategists don't mean a thing when the "unwashed majority" get the bit between their teeth. Just ask Mitt Romney.
5
My candidate cannot convince enough Democrats that he can do what he says he can do and cannot convince voters of color and older people that he represents their best interests. There's only one thing he can do now that gives him a chance. Dignity. Presidential dignity. Like President Obama's. I appeal to Senator Sanders to tap that grace within him right now. Do not tarnish the aspirations of your supporters by fighting dirty against a candidate that wants the same things we want, but by different means and different priorities. Do not act like the youngest of your supporters. There are many of us older ones who believe in you too. Do not resign yourself to defeat but show your strength and the strength of your ideas through Dignity and grace in the face of defeat. Thank you, Senator Sanders for giving this old woman a voice and hope for my children and grandchildren. Now show the strength of your character.
17
Well said. We will see what principles and dignity Senator Sanders has in the weeks ahead. I would say next Tuesday night will provide an excellent indication.
6
There's another thing Bernie can't do: 8 years. He's promised 4 - Only. Too few if you happen to be an old lady. Too few if you're already tired of this over-long primary. Too few if you are forced to consider becoming a widow during the next 4 years.
And I bet I'm not the only one looking for some consistency - along with 8 years.
And I bet I'm not the only one looking for some consistency - along with 8 years.
1
Brazil is suffering a coup . The opposition involved in corruption , is buying the support of businessmen and congressmen to approve the impeachment . All this with the support of major television networks and newspapers.
2
Now all that's left is for Hillary to pick Chelsea as her VP!
4
For many it makes sense to favor Hillary, but I will continue to support Bernie’s “revolution.” The incremental changes that Mrs. Clinton seeks (and some of which she can most likely accomplish) will have near-immediate effect. And since the vast majority of voters have children (or else plan to have them) these changes will be beneficial.
I on the other hand have no progeny, so if the Sanders revolution survives and persists an unknowable future generation of Americans can have opportunities similar to those I enjoyed in my own youth. That will be our (Bernie's supporters) contribution.
I on the other hand have no progeny, so if the Sanders revolution survives and persists an unknowable future generation of Americans can have opportunities similar to those I enjoyed in my own youth. That will be our (Bernie's supporters) contribution.
7
Many thanks to the voters of New York for Hillary Clinton's victory. Please can we not unite as progressive Democrats behind her nomination. I understand looking at the victory of Trudeau in Canada and Corbyn's victory in Great Britain and seeing the possible. However, Canada and Great Britain have always been more progressive than we. They have had and kept national health care despite having conservatives in power, and have also long had sensible gun control to name two progressive ideals. If we want more liberal progress in this country we need to start at the state level and work vigorously to elect liberals in the state legislatures and go from there. Were Bernie Sanders elected President, his ideas would go no place with an entrenched obstructionist Republican controlled Congress. That is the reality of the situation.
Hillary Clinton may have ties to Wall Street, but so does President Obama who has exhibited "grace under pressure" and fought for the Middle Class. The ACA, the Treaty with Iran, and the Treaty reached in Paris aimed at addressing global warming are remarkable progressive achievements. Hillary Clinton has worked tirelessly for women, children, and Civil Rights for many years. Yes she is flawed, and has made mistakes, but I do not doubt she will work to maintain the social progress that has come at such a great cost to many. She is well qualified to be President.
Hillary Clinton may have ties to Wall Street, but so does President Obama who has exhibited "grace under pressure" and fought for the Middle Class. The ACA, the Treaty with Iran, and the Treaty reached in Paris aimed at addressing global warming are remarkable progressive achievements. Hillary Clinton has worked tirelessly for women, children, and Civil Rights for many years. Yes she is flawed, and has made mistakes, but I do not doubt she will work to maintain the social progress that has come at such a great cost to many. She is well qualified to be President.
38
While I agree with the sentiment here, there is a catch-22 in it. It's the same reality that has stood in the way of Sanders' campaign, the reality of whether and how people vote.
Progress will come mostly through change in Congress, and the most important role of the next president will be ushering in that change at the ballot box. Bernie may not get to the White House, but Bernie, not Hillary, is the only one who can motivate voters to change Congress. Clinton is somewhat more conservative than Obama. How is she going to get Bernie supporters to go to the polls?
I hear that it is illogical, I can reason that it is illogical, but apart from her remarkable personal strength, which is extraordinary, Clinton depresses me and makes me feel hopeless. Listening to her makes me feel terrible. I just think and feel, 'No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!' I know it is strong to say, but it is simply true: she disgusts me. I see strength without courage, astuteness without vision, blind hypocrisy, money.
I will keep voting anyway, by force of habit, reason and rote moral conviction. But I suspect than many others will not, much of the fledgling new blood that has never seen hope in politics before.
A Clinton presidency will spell a coma of political engagement, especially in our youth. Republicans will fortify their hold on Congress. It shouldn't be so.. but that, I think, will be the reality.
Progress will come mostly through change in Congress, and the most important role of the next president will be ushering in that change at the ballot box. Bernie may not get to the White House, but Bernie, not Hillary, is the only one who can motivate voters to change Congress. Clinton is somewhat more conservative than Obama. How is she going to get Bernie supporters to go to the polls?
I hear that it is illogical, I can reason that it is illogical, but apart from her remarkable personal strength, which is extraordinary, Clinton depresses me and makes me feel hopeless. Listening to her makes me feel terrible. I just think and feel, 'No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!' I know it is strong to say, but it is simply true: she disgusts me. I see strength without courage, astuteness without vision, blind hypocrisy, money.
I will keep voting anyway, by force of habit, reason and rote moral conviction. But I suspect than many others will not, much of the fledgling new blood that has never seen hope in politics before.
A Clinton presidency will spell a coma of political engagement, especially in our youth. Republicans will fortify their hold on Congress. It shouldn't be so.. but that, I think, will be the reality.
1
I think the stories we hear of Bernie supporters not registering to vote and complaining that it is not an open primary summarize his campaign platform: nice ideas, while the practical execution of them is not considered.
Sanders is not really a Democrat. He is an Independent. As such, it seems to me that he lucked out running as a Dem. To complain about the rules of the Democratic party-- which all candidates must follow--is just lazy.
Sanders is not really a Democrat. He is an Independent. As such, it seems to me that he lucked out running as a Dem. To complain about the rules of the Democratic party-- which all candidates must follow--is just lazy.
20
I don't get it. Around November all we hear about are undecided voters and swing states--we acknowledge that these voters who don't always vote for the same party and who wait to decide after hearing the arguments, etc, are important Americans and their votes are important to our democracy. But when it comes to primary voting, the only voters who count are party loyalists? Then waiting to decide and listening to arguments before making a decision is somehow failing to fulfill your civic duty?
5
150K registered voters disappeared in Brooklyn alone. These are no "stories". It is massive fraud.
What happened in Brooklyn happened in other boroughs in NYC. These "irregularities" were brought to the attention of the NYC and NY state government before the election. At best it is shear incompetence and at worst it is criminal. Either way its time for DiBlasio and others in city government to account for what happened.
8
The cable channels coverage was disappointing to Democratic ears, at least to this Democratic voter. I hope CNN shows some humility, esp after first saying that Mrs. Clinton's win was "too close to call", and the cable channels constantly referring to her underperformance. Chris Matthews of MSNBC seems overly enthusiastic about Mr. Trump.
11
I was pleased to see New Yorkers voting in a way that stresses New York values--by not voting for Ted Cruz. Did he think he could diss New York and New Yorkers and still get votes?
8
No shortage of New York values with Trump and Clinton
I'm tired of reading all the charges of "bias" in the NYT from the Sanders supporters. The NYT has endorsed Clinton. Get used to it. Read one of the handful of papers that endorsed Sanders if you want only glowing reports, though I'll warn you they are few and far between. But, no matter--your man has racked up a few and you can read all about how the election has been stolen from him in those papers. I suggest you stop reading the NYT, as it obviously irritates you. And, here's a tip: almost every newspaper in America will endorse a candidate at some point. Some will actually endorse your beloved Bernie, some will not. That's politics, folks.
25
@MsPea,
You're tired, etc.? Well, aside from being condescending, you're also arrogant and presumptuous if you think I care how you feel.
4-20-16@11:42 am
You're tired, etc.? Well, aside from being condescending, you're also arrogant and presumptuous if you think I care how you feel.
4-20-16@11:42 am
7
Once again the NY voters have their heads in the sand and are interested in money, money, money. Hillary Clinton will not be able to beat Trump if he is the nominee. Hillary is a better politician who continues to be able to sweep her dirt under the rug, however once the Republicans get their act together they will be focusing their vitriol on her if she becomes the nominee. Bernie will stay in the race until the end. If you look at the statistical analysis of NY you will see that the millennials (21-30) are strong supporters of Bernie. The country is mostly made up of millennials now. With Clinton we will have at least four more years of the same policy for Wall Street and the banks as well as more money spent overseas on horrible conflicts and wars and our country will continue to spiral down.
7
"The country is mostly made up of millennials now."....So why didn't Sanders win?
11
@W.A. Spitzer
It's the new millennial math!!!
It's the new millennial math!!!
2
Thank you, New York! You have virtually assured that Hillary Clinton will be the first woman President of the United States! And as a bonus, we get Bill as First Gentleman! We can all breathe a big sigh of relief in knowing that we will have at least four more years of increased concentration of wealth, a government that does the bidding of its corporate and billionaire donors and a "more muscular" foreign policy! We are buying defense industry futures!
Sincerely,
The 1%
Sincerely,
The 1%
12
@trader
You might want to c/c this comment to Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and the rest of the Republican big wigs -- unless you think the concentration of wealth lies solely in the Clinton's hands.
By the way, a lot of poor & working folks voted for Clinton here -- not only the 1%. The NYT has provided a nice demographic map.
You might want to c/c this comment to Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and the rest of the Republican big wigs -- unless you think the concentration of wealth lies solely in the Clinton's hands.
By the way, a lot of poor & working folks voted for Clinton here -- not only the 1%. The NYT has provided a nice demographic map.
13
Of course! The Republicans got the ball rolling, Clinton (Bill) accelerated it, and every administration/congress since has continued the trend toward corporate welfare and wealth transference to the uber-wealthy. I find it very difficult to believe that Hillary will reverse the trend, protect us from another disasterous financial failure or keep us out of regime-changing wars. The 1% aren't getting her elected through votes, obviously, just manipulation of the media coverage of the entire primary and super PAC contributions. Hillary is far better than Trump or Cruz, and she will certainly get my vote, but only because no change is better than insanity.
Trump has barely gotten started with HRC. Remember that he knows the Clintons personally.
Aby takers on bets about how HRC will respond to Trump bringing up her past?
Aby takers on bets about how HRC will respond to Trump bringing up her past?
6
@hostage
We are living in a day and age where World events are significantly more important than airing sordid details about one's past -- and making bets on it.
We are living in a day and age where World events are significantly more important than airing sordid details about one's past -- and making bets on it.
5
@Political Hostage,
Are you saying or suggesting that if Trump gets the Repub nod, that he's got info--verifiable info--that Hillary's kept tucked away? If so, good luck getting that prickly (not so) little reality check across to any of HRC's voters.
4-20-16@12:02 pm
Are you saying or suggesting that if Trump gets the Repub nod, that he's got info--verifiable info--that Hillary's kept tucked away? If so, good luck getting that prickly (not so) little reality check across to any of HRC's voters.
4-20-16@12:02 pm
@N. Smith,
Well, perhaps that depends on what details Trump might eventually bring up and if they're connected to world events. If Clinton's nominated, regardless of who gets the Repub nod, I guess we'll just have to see what happens. I'm not one for betting.
4-20-16@2:20 pm
Well, perhaps that depends on what details Trump might eventually bring up and if they're connected to world events. If Clinton's nominated, regardless of who gets the Repub nod, I guess we'll just have to see what happens. I'm not one for betting.
4-20-16@2:20 pm
I cant help but feel that Bernie was overwhelmed by the success of his message.
Had he anticipated that success, he would have either started off much earlier or, had more Organizational capacity to disseminate the message, especially past the fire walls that were erected.
Perhaps He should have anticipated and side tracked the consequences of taking on wall street and later AIPAC head_on.
Though I TOTALLY DISAGREE with many of his tactics, Trump used a strategy that enabled him penetrate or bypass firewalls to reach audiences.
Fire walls included limiting presidential debates or holding them on odd days, limited or almost no airtime from main stream media, messages by mainstream media that portrayed hillary as the overwhelming favourite, etc, etcetra
Had he anticipated that success, he would have either started off much earlier or, had more Organizational capacity to disseminate the message, especially past the fire walls that were erected.
Perhaps He should have anticipated and side tracked the consequences of taking on wall street and later AIPAC head_on.
Though I TOTALLY DISAGREE with many of his tactics, Trump used a strategy that enabled him penetrate or bypass firewalls to reach audiences.
Fire walls included limiting presidential debates or holding them on odd days, limited or almost no airtime from main stream media, messages by mainstream media that portrayed hillary as the overwhelming favourite, etc, etcetra
4
HRC wins? Yuk. I guess the blue-blooded democrats came out in droves. Truly disappointing. I just can't fathom how anybody can relate to HRC with her combined net worth of over $100,000,000. I wonder if she worries about where the next car payment is going to come from, or how she's going to make the mortgage? I wonder if she worries about medical bills, retirement savings, kid's college costs?
It's odd, most of the HRC supporters in this commentary talk about her experienced, measured approach. In my book, that means don't dream big, don't entertain the idea of change. Some things will never change.
It's odd, most of the HRC supporters in this commentary talk about her experienced, measured approach. In my book, that means don't dream big, don't entertain the idea of change. Some things will never change.
14
The exceptionally wealth FDR was the working man's greatest president EVER.
Not sure about your logic here.
Not sure about your logic here.
I'd like to think that the result in New York (on the D side) is due to the scales dropping from the eyes of the voters.
Bernie Sanders has shown himself to be a hypocritical, deeply flawed candidate who is more than willing to smear his opponent with charges he can't substantiate, deliberately lie to his supporters (just one example - the recent FEC matter, when he knows full well the candidate being investigated for funding irregularities is - himself!), and is unable or unwilling to do any homework about his own signature policies.
I see it as a repudiation, not of progressive policies, of which Clinton has been a champion for decades, but rather (I hope) a repudiation of the nasty smear tactics that the sanders campaign has been engaged in for months. ( and, yes, it's another lie, that they've been running a clean campaign)
His platform seem to boil down to three points:
I'm angry, you should be too (never mind how to fix problems, righteous anger is enough)
Hillary is corrupt ( no evidence)
Anyone who supports Hillary is corrupt (no evidence, and very insulting to me, for one)
I was tired of it long ago. Glad to see New York is too.
Bernie Sanders has shown himself to be a hypocritical, deeply flawed candidate who is more than willing to smear his opponent with charges he can't substantiate, deliberately lie to his supporters (just one example - the recent FEC matter, when he knows full well the candidate being investigated for funding irregularities is - himself!), and is unable or unwilling to do any homework about his own signature policies.
I see it as a repudiation, not of progressive policies, of which Clinton has been a champion for decades, but rather (I hope) a repudiation of the nasty smear tactics that the sanders campaign has been engaged in for months. ( and, yes, it's another lie, that they've been running a clean campaign)
His platform seem to boil down to three points:
I'm angry, you should be too (never mind how to fix problems, righteous anger is enough)
Hillary is corrupt ( no evidence)
Anyone who supports Hillary is corrupt (no evidence, and very insulting to me, for one)
I was tired of it long ago. Glad to see New York is too.
34
The evidence is all over the place. It's just that nobody (meaning her minions) seems to have standards anymore.
3
These comments are so right on! I would add that many Sanders supporters may have been duped by the many years of anti-Clinton propaganda by the Republican media machine.
In Pennsylvania, my neck of the woods, not a one Hillary or Bernie sign in a fifty mile radius of me. But out on the farms it's Cruz, and here in town it's Trump. Not proud really, but then your talking a solid Republican County. I'm voting and talking Sanders as much as I can. But around here it ain't gonna happen. You just cannot change tradition even if it's killing the country.
6
What is traditional about Trump?
In regard to Senator Sanders views on Israel, one needs to consider his affiliation with the Bund. Ideologically, against Israel as an independent entity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Jewish_Labor_Bund
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Jewish_Labor_Bund
1
Mr. Sanders won the Jewish neighborhoods, in Brooklyn. There are a lot of Jews, and Gentiles, who believe in what Mr. Sanders said about Israel. And, certainly not anti-Semitic. Anti_Zionism and Anti-Semitic are two different things.
10
So it seems it is either Trump or Ms. Clinton based on totally unclear logic and math of how they will get into power. For a minute I thought we are in Brazil - probably worse.
2
New York is good at predicting Democratic nominees. In '08 Hillary and Obama received almost the identical number of votes as did Hillary and Bernie yesterday.
And she rode the momentum of the NY primary all the way to . . .
i know--but this time is different!
And she rode the momentum of the NY primary all the way to . . .
i know--but this time is different!
4
The story for me is not that Trump did so well in his home states (one of them, anyway) or that Cruz has employed a professional team or didn't try so hard in a state for which he has shown public contempt. It is that the tireless governor from Ohio, once down in the low single digits, surrounded by bellowing elephants, snake oil salesmen and people playing their own trumpets, not only beat the guy who has won the last several states, but came in a resounding second where he was barely known a few months ago. Not three weeks ago someone asked me, "who was Kasich?"
Ask Mr. Trump if he knows the Bible story about the shepherd boy with the slingshot who took on the giant? Bet even he knows that one.
And please don't stop. They wouldn't be asking you to quit so often if they weren't afraid.
Ask Mr. Trump if he knows the Bible story about the shepherd boy with the slingshot who took on the giant? Bet even he knows that one.
And please don't stop. They wouldn't be asking you to quit so often if they weren't afraid.
2
This country is facing the consolidation of political and economic power that for all intensive purposes is dedicated to the preservation and extension of the vast, ever widening gulf between the 1% and the rest of the country.
Neither of the Democratic candidates has all the answers but at least one is stating the questions correctly.
This slow, creeping erosion of the backbone of the country goes on while one candidate talks of little fixes here and there, mainly leaving the process to go on with minimal resistance and gathering force.
Though this erosion affects both the left and right and both have made their voices heard in this election season, the usual dynamic is forming.
Little will change.
Bernie Sanders is essentially correct in stating what needs to be corrected. No doubt he is an imperfect messenger for today, but I have no doubt that what he is saying now will have more resonance with more people when people 4 years from now contemplate their circumstances.
For now not much will change and life goes on. Ours will remain a country dominated by the wishes of the 1% while others dwell on what could have been and what could be in the richest most powerful nation to ever exist on this earth.
It's going to take a much larger and more heterogeneous coalition to create change for the better in this country.
Neither of the Democratic candidates has all the answers but at least one is stating the questions correctly.
This slow, creeping erosion of the backbone of the country goes on while one candidate talks of little fixes here and there, mainly leaving the process to go on with minimal resistance and gathering force.
Though this erosion affects both the left and right and both have made their voices heard in this election season, the usual dynamic is forming.
Little will change.
Bernie Sanders is essentially correct in stating what needs to be corrected. No doubt he is an imperfect messenger for today, but I have no doubt that what he is saying now will have more resonance with more people when people 4 years from now contemplate their circumstances.
For now not much will change and life goes on. Ours will remain a country dominated by the wishes of the 1% while others dwell on what could have been and what could be in the richest most powerful nation to ever exist on this earth.
It's going to take a much larger and more heterogeneous coalition to create change for the better in this country.
5
I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk of a Trump - Kasich ticket. The party bosses are surely aware that by putting Ohio, New York, perhaps even California in play against Hillary, there is a real chance there. With Cruz, there's zero % chance of victory in November. Even if talk of Trump - Kasich doesn't make momentum towards 1237 stronger before the convention, it could make the first ballot win much easier. This might also be a big reason Kasich is staying in without his campaign acknowledging it yet.
2
Maybe because Kasich has just a little more intelligence than a common rock?
I love New York, but no surprise here. The state is a poster child for the Democratic Party and loves its Liberal carpetbaggers. It will be interesting to see how the general election turns out, but at this point I think it’s safe to say it will be a disaster. :-(
5
@jeff
Don't forget. Sanders is a carpetbagger too -- albeit a Socialist one.
But you don't hear people from Vermont screaming about it all the time, do you???
Don't forget. Sanders is a carpetbagger too -- albeit a Socialist one.
But you don't hear people from Vermont screaming about it all the time, do you???
1
It is time for the Republican establishment to come to grips with reality and deal with the world that is and not the increasingly unlikely world they would like to see. The Democrat establishment also has a lot of soul searching to do. Both parties are highly fractionated and divided, and, the risks this poses are not the same for the Republican Party as for the Democrat Party, but the outcomes are potentially similar for each party.
If the Republican party rejects Trump, he has good reason to run independently, and he likely will. He has all the machinery in place.
If the Democrat Party goes with Clinton and ignores Sanders' broad support, particularly among younger voters who have mainly been excluded from the process because they are not registered, he may be encouraged to run independently as well, particularly, if Trump felt forced to go that route. Sanders also has all the machinery in place.
Both parties are also going to have to consider how their presidential candidates will be able to unite their party, if they can, and how they will influence downstream elections for the House and the Senate, which are other stories that have yet to get much discussion in the press.
A four candidate race for the presidency with two of the candidates running independently might be very interesting. The political landscape is changing, and such a scenario might be seen as a national referendum for that change and also a way to help implement it.
If the Republican party rejects Trump, he has good reason to run independently, and he likely will. He has all the machinery in place.
If the Democrat Party goes with Clinton and ignores Sanders' broad support, particularly among younger voters who have mainly been excluded from the process because they are not registered, he may be encouraged to run independently as well, particularly, if Trump felt forced to go that route. Sanders also has all the machinery in place.
Both parties are also going to have to consider how their presidential candidates will be able to unite their party, if they can, and how they will influence downstream elections for the House and the Senate, which are other stories that have yet to get much discussion in the press.
A four candidate race for the presidency with two of the candidates running independently might be very interesting. The political landscape is changing, and such a scenario might be seen as a national referendum for that change and also a way to help implement it.
7
The last time there were four major candidates was in 1860, just before the Civil War.
Abraham Lincoln (Republican) Illinois, 1,865,908 (39.8%)
John C. Breckinridge (Southern Democratic) Kentucky, 848,019 (18.1%)
John Bell ( Constitutional Union/Whig) Tennessee, 590,901 (12.6%)
Stephen A. Douglas (Northern Democratic) Illinois, 1,380,202 (29.5%)
Having three major candidates in a Presidential election is not that uncommon. And, of course, small parties field candidates.
Abraham Lincoln (Republican) Illinois, 1,865,908 (39.8%)
John C. Breckinridge (Southern Democratic) Kentucky, 848,019 (18.1%)
John Bell ( Constitutional Union/Whig) Tennessee, 590,901 (12.6%)
Stephen A. Douglas (Northern Democratic) Illinois, 1,380,202 (29.5%)
Having three major candidates in a Presidential election is not that uncommon. And, of course, small parties field candidates.
2
More likely it would lead to no clear majority in terms of electoral votes, at which point the House of Representatives will decide an appoint a rabid right winger. No thank you. Furthermore, young voters could have registered. So, they were only excluded insofar as they did not register in time.
1
In 1977 my father in law warned me that criminal thugs were working in many counties' and state government in New York State, and that I should get the heck out because the state's agencies were never going to be run in an honest way again.
The outrageous criminal activities which occurred all across New York State, with Democrat voters being purged from the voting rolls by Democrat county officials, voting equipment not working, pollling places not open on time all proves my dad right. The Democratic Primary was stolen by Andrew Cuomo, the NY Democratic Party machine and its operatives in county elections offices, so that Hillary Clinton would win. While old Joe Kennedy's arranging the fixing of the Illinois elections in the Kennedy v. Nixon may seem "quaint" now, the fact that it happened in this environment is appalling.
The "mainstream news media" like MSNBC, CNN and FOX were totally asleep at the switch that this was going on.
As a lifelong Democrat heck will freeze over before I will vote for Hillary Clinton. I'd rather see Donald Trump in the Oval Office than the obnoxious, corporate owned manipulator Hillary Clinton.
The outrageous criminal activities which occurred all across New York State, with Democrat voters being purged from the voting rolls by Democrat county officials, voting equipment not working, pollling places not open on time all proves my dad right. The Democratic Primary was stolen by Andrew Cuomo, the NY Democratic Party machine and its operatives in county elections offices, so that Hillary Clinton would win. While old Joe Kennedy's arranging the fixing of the Illinois elections in the Kennedy v. Nixon may seem "quaint" now, the fact that it happened in this environment is appalling.
The "mainstream news media" like MSNBC, CNN and FOX were totally asleep at the switch that this was going on.
As a lifelong Democrat heck will freeze over before I will vote for Hillary Clinton. I'd rather see Donald Trump in the Oval Office than the obnoxious, corporate owned manipulator Hillary Clinton.
11
You are not alone in your sentiments.
7
Hillary is a strong candidate in the general election and I look forward to her cleaning Trump's clock. It is entirely possible that the Dems can take the country back in this election, not just with a win in the presidency, but in local and state elections as well. That would truly be a revolution.
9
The Pied Piper of "free stuff" is done. NY was his last chance to pull off the impossible. Despite the fact that Hillary is generally unlikeable, and given great numbers of extreme left-wingers in NYC, Sanders failed to win even a single one of the 5 boroughs. He continues to soldier on with the support of aging hippies, and the least experienced, most easily fooled segment of the electorate--college kids. Meanwhile, adults went for Hillary.
So it's Trump-Clinton. Get used to it. The nation will be presented with stark choice--between an unaccomplished shrew who yells in monotone and promises more government solutions to our problems, and a successful capitalist who wants to shake our political system to its core. Get yourself a comfortable chair folks, and hang on. Should be fun.
So it's Trump-Clinton. Get used to it. The nation will be presented with stark choice--between an unaccomplished shrew who yells in monotone and promises more government solutions to our problems, and a successful capitalist who wants to shake our political system to its core. Get yourself a comfortable chair folks, and hang on. Should be fun.
7
So Trump can yell and threaten and bully (with a face that is usually distorted and twisted and horribly ugly by his anger - and orange) and he's a "successful capitalist" ... but Hillary is a "shrew" because she's an aggressive campaigner as well. Yes, you should vote for Trump ... the sexist, misogynistic pig who thinks the only decent women are those who are 5'10" weighing 125 pounds with size D breasts.
1
The only people getting "free stuff" are in the 0.001%. As to "government solutions," they pulled us out of the Great Depression and the Great Recession.
And the people who complain about "Big Government" are always the first to demand help when a crisis arises.
And the people who complain about "Big Government" are always the first to demand help when a crisis arises.
1
Wow, that is some wicked spin there! Hang on indeed. I truly wonder if Trump has any real beliefs - other than about his own awesomeness and everyone else's irrelevance. When I imagine what it would be like to poke around in his head, it is horrifying.
Good day for America. Trump moves a little closer to the outright nomination, and then to a Goldwater-like defeat! Four or eight more years of a Democratic White House. Phew!
5
Right now, there needs to be immediate answers for 125,000 voters taken off the rolls in Brooklyn. Someone needs to serve prison time if this is proven voter fraud. And what will be done to prevent further incidents?
Even Bill and Hillary have to denounce this act or face possible turnout problems in the general election. This is absolutely disgusting news to our so called democracy.
Even Bill and Hillary have to denounce this act or face possible turnout problems in the general election. This is absolutely disgusting news to our so called democracy.
5
You do realize that Hillary won Brooklyn, right? Or do you think somehow your imagined boogeymen knew how the 125,000 people were going to vote and took only them off? Chances are, she would have received the majority of those votes as well.
And what, pray tell, does Bill Clinton have to do with this? You realize it is Hillary that is running, not Bill. What a sexist remark. Do you think Melania Trump should make a statement on this as well?
And what, pray tell, does Bill Clinton have to do with this? You realize it is Hillary that is running, not Bill. What a sexist remark. Do you think Melania Trump should make a statement on this as well?
3
So every time there's a voter irregularity that involves Hillary, it is a "sexist remark?" Explain that. We don't know if this news report is fact but it is out there and many people are demanding answers.
I mentioned Bill Clinton because he was the 42nd President and fall under the category as credible witness. We just want the truth.
I mentioned Bill Clinton because he was the 42nd President and fall under the category as credible witness. We just want the truth.
Who do only Bill and Hillary have to denounce this? Shouldn't all the candidates denounce this?
1
My my I was surprised by Donald's win tonight. As an avid reader of the New York times it's easy to think that the Donald was hopelessly behind and all but fizzled out with a series of mistakes. But the people have proven to be more resilient than the fickle press. I'm sure it's a hard day in New York fit the liberal press, but get used to seeing the Donald a lot more than you'd care to after Obama finally leaves office. Anything will be better than the current administration.
2
Happy to see Democracy in force in the State of New York Congratulations Lady Hillary Clinton
7
In open Dem primaries, about 27% of total voters are Independents and they have gone about 69% for Bernie (check out WI, MI & Okla.). Had 33% of the Independents voted and 70% gone to Bernie as in the past, Hillary still might have won, but only by a point or two. So, NY was really not much different than other closed primaries.
The Democratic party faithful consider closed primaries preferable because Hillary does better. But without Independents support in November, she is toast. Only 30% of Americans are Dems. while 43% are Independents.
The Democratic party faithful consider closed primaries preferable because Hillary does better. But without Independents support in November, she is toast. Only 30% of Americans are Dems. while 43% are Independents.
6
NY primary rules have existed for years and well known to anyone who takes the trouble to inform themselves. If Bernie wants to run as a Democrat he might trouble himself to folĺow those rules.
Congratulations Secretary Clinton! One step closer! And Senator Sanders, your appeal to the electorate is clear. Clinton will be the nominee, but Sanders has influenced the issues we discuss. I'm pleased for the Democrats, and I'm looking forward to November.
20
Why is we still repeatedly hear of Clinton's "adopted home state of New York" but never hear of Sander's "adopted home state of Vermont", Kasich's "adopted home state of Ohio", or Cruz's "adopted home state of Texas"? It's a wink-wink implication of doubtful significance, but it seems to be aimed only at Hillary.
24
Did Kasich, Cruz or Sanders move to their states for the express purpose of running for office?? I don't think so.
"Adopted" home state is appropriate.
"Adopted" home state is appropriate.
3
Lloyd.
In the cases of Cruz and Sanders, the answers is YES. Absolutely.
In the cases of Cruz and Sanders, the answers is YES. Absolutely.
Bernie The Pure had his campaign manager out last night indicating Bernie The Pure was very willing to circumvent the will of the people (as expressed by the
pledge delegate count and popular vote) to convince Super Delegates to select Messiah Bernie! The hypocrisy is both breathless and unfortunately not unexpected.
pledge delegate count and popular vote) to convince Super Delegates to select Messiah Bernie! The hypocrisy is both breathless and unfortunately not unexpected.
16
So... perfectly ok that Clinton literally paid off super delegates, even from states that overwhelmingly backed Bernie, but when Bernie's campaign talks about persuading those people to his side, it's hypocrisy? Do you know the meaning of the word?
1
@Eileen,
And Bernie The Pure and his surrogates castigated Clinton and the Super Delegates supporting her. Now he is attempting to mimic the behavior he previously admonished. That is the definition of hypocrisy!!!
And Bernie The Pure and his surrogates castigated Clinton and the Super Delegates supporting her. Now he is attempting to mimic the behavior he previously admonished. That is the definition of hypocrisy!!!
1
How would Clinton have fared if the primary had been open, as the general election will be? Not so hot, I'm guessing.
6
And how would Mr. Sanders have fared in caucus states if those decisions had not been made by 500 people?
Stop it.
Stop it.
8
To those who scorn NY independents for not registering as democrats before the October deadline in order to be able to vote yesterday, let me remind you: even 6 months ago most of the country didn't know Bernie Sanders, he was an insignificant wannabe in a small bunch of other wannabees - a loser, in other words, since the winner had already been chosen. Why bother to switch to another party if there's no candidate there you want to vote for. In the past few months, miraculously, they DID find such a candidate, only to be prevented to vote for him.
Is it surprising they are angry? If a candidate can switch her positions
based on the flavor of the day, why not the voters?
Is it surprising they are angry? If a candidate can switch her positions
based on the flavor of the day, why not the voters?
7
@imberti
Oh please. If an Independent candidate can switch Parties to run, so can an Independent voter in order to vote for him/her.
Didn't do it in time?? --too bad.
Oh please. If an Independent candidate can switch Parties to run, so can an Independent voter in order to vote for him/her.
Didn't do it in time?? --too bad.
4
Looks like Donald Trump won a majority in all the electoral districts across New York and that Hillary Clinton won in a few urban pockets and on Long Island. Her voters were in major urban centers such as the NYC metro area where I am from.
And, of course, many voters were disenfranchised by the closed primary and other regulations - had to change party id from independent to Democrat as of October 2015.
Bernie Sanders took the bulk of the districts across New York State. Says something about the strength of his support. I'm with Bernie Sanders through the end of the primary season.
And, of course, many voters were disenfranchised by the closed primary and other regulations - had to change party id from independent to Democrat as of October 2015.
Bernie Sanders took the bulk of the districts across New York State. Says something about the strength of his support. I'm with Bernie Sanders through the end of the primary season.
5
And yet, Sec. Clinton had almost a million more votes than the three Republican candidates combined. The dense population centers are important including in their diversity which is more representative of America's demographics.
By now, the voters know the candidates well, and any novelty value has collapsed. This would be especially true in New York with one of the longest and best exposures to most of the candidates.
Your loyalty to Sen. Sanders is admirable but I hope you are willing to support the Democratic nominee for the Supreme Court justice nominations at a minimum.
By now, the voters know the candidates well, and any novelty value has collapsed. This would be especially true in New York with one of the longest and best exposures to most of the candidates.
Your loyalty to Sen. Sanders is admirable but I hope you are willing to support the Democratic nominee for the Supreme Court justice nominations at a minimum.
4
That's right. all the cows voted for Bernie while a solid majority of Democratic voters voted for Hillary. If you're not a Democrat why should you have a say in who our nominee is. If you are a Democrat why are you registered independent?
3
What is your logic? Mr.s Clinton wins where people live!
1
I do not admire Trump's new advisers who must now put lip stick on a pig. We know what he really thinks as he mouths the words put to him on paper or prompter.
Hillary seemed more relaxed on Steven Colbert's show the other night. Some how she must get through her dragon lady image. She does best when she can calmly face the issues. Perhaps she can tell us what she will do to reign in Wall Street and banksters and when she would do it to counter some of her critics. She is no Margaret Thatcher though she is tough and a fighter. She must keep in front of us that she is always fighting for the good progressive agenda and will do so forcefully.
Hillary seemed more relaxed on Steven Colbert's show the other night. Some how she must get through her dragon lady image. She does best when she can calmly face the issues. Perhaps she can tell us what she will do to reign in Wall Street and banksters and when she would do it to counter some of her critics. She is no Margaret Thatcher though she is tough and a fighter. She must keep in front of us that she is always fighting for the good progressive agenda and will do so forcefully.
7
Awesome victory for Hillary. Hey, I get Bernie's appeal. I was at Woodstock. Now it's time to grow up and get real. There's a serious battle ahead, and the stakes have never been higher.
20
Bernie Sanders chose to run as a Democrat. Please, please why can't his supporters vote as a Democrat in the general election. I'd like to believe that Sanders would be the first one to say "elect a Democrat" in the general election.
11
I'm pretty sure that a wall is construction. But he does talk about fixing the crumbling infrastructure at Trump Live events.
I don't understand why people registered as members of the Independent Party and those registered as members of Senator Sanders' Democratic-Socialist Party don't their nominate their own candidates for President?
9
When people post insults and accusations against anyone, even a public figure, they should use their own names to post. Hiding behind a pseudonym and throwing mud is not an act of courage. New York Times, you don't allow this in your letters to the editor, why do you allow it here?
15
Why are people surprised OR pleased that these two candidates won? It has always been a foregone conclusion. And in New York…with one of the worst banana republic primaries in the country, only a small percentage of the voters actually GET to vote. It's a closed primary, so you have to be a registered member of one the 2 parties - only - if you were a voter but wanted to change party affiliation, you had to do it last October; some voters who had registered last year found their names were dropped off the voting roles; machines were down in Queens and Brooklyn; and hundreds of voters found their registration was mysteriously changed to independent or "no affiliation" and they are filing a lawsuit against the NY State Board of Elections. Others who actually WERE independents and wanted to change to Democrat had to be psychics and change it by last October as well. As I have said all along - The Hillary Brand® is the Anointed One, Trump is her "Beard" designed to split the Republican party and push voters to vote for Hillary. After all - with the media-driven Anti-Trump hysteria, who would you vote for? The Brand with her studied political gravitas, or the crazy trigger-happy bad haired loonie? We're being conned folks, and these two con artists are laughing all the way to the Hillary Brand®s White House in November. The Status Quo wins - and the American people lose. As George Carlin said: it's a big club and you ain't in it.
2
Hillary 1,790,083 votes, 98% reporting
Bernie 752,739
Oh a stunning victory for Hillary Clinton!!!!
Except what would be the final tally if 3 million Independent voters in New York had not been shut out of this primary? Hmmmmm?
New York dang near invented American politics & over the last 2 centuries has mastered more ways to rig an election than even New Jersey. You know we can see your corrupt state legislature! I dare to say Bernie Sanders would have been crowned King in the New York Democratic Primary tonight if those 3 million New Yorkers had been able to cast their votes.
OK! Fine! But to paraphrase what we used to chant years ago, THE WHOLE REST OF AMERICA IS WATCHING & this unusual closed primary-voter suppression rule which shouldn't be a part of the Democratic Party any more than Super Delegates will cause blow back in the months ahead.
It also doesn't help to see the very expensive, very large I'm With Her pop-up ad for Hillary at the top of the front page. Could this be why the NY Times has been so Pro-Hillary & Low-Bernie in the reporting? Or am I just misunderstanding that this is just the way the establishment always works?
The happy news is that Bernie even wins when he loses because the movement he's started will be around a lot longer than this election year!
Bernie 752,739
Oh a stunning victory for Hillary Clinton!!!!
Except what would be the final tally if 3 million Independent voters in New York had not been shut out of this primary? Hmmmmm?
New York dang near invented American politics & over the last 2 centuries has mastered more ways to rig an election than even New Jersey. You know we can see your corrupt state legislature! I dare to say Bernie Sanders would have been crowned King in the New York Democratic Primary tonight if those 3 million New Yorkers had been able to cast their votes.
OK! Fine! But to paraphrase what we used to chant years ago, THE WHOLE REST OF AMERICA IS WATCHING & this unusual closed primary-voter suppression rule which shouldn't be a part of the Democratic Party any more than Super Delegates will cause blow back in the months ahead.
It also doesn't help to see the very expensive, very large I'm With Her pop-up ad for Hillary at the top of the front page. Could this be why the NY Times has been so Pro-Hillary & Low-Bernie in the reporting? Or am I just misunderstanding that this is just the way the establishment always works?
The happy news is that Bernie even wins when he loses because the movement he's started will be around a lot longer than this election year!
4
Check your vote total numbers. You're giving Clinton more than she received. Reported elsewhere in NYT, Clinton 1,037.344. Sanders 752,739.
1
Please. Independents can't have it both ways. They are proud to wear the label of Independent, and they can always vote for Independent or 3rd party candidates. If you want to participate in the Democratic Party's primaries, then follow the rules. It is pretty basic to register as a Democrat to vote in a closed primary. Sen. Sanders chose to run for the top of the Democratic Party's ticket for a myriad of political reasons, no doubt. Basic civics classes need to go back into the school curriculum.
5
Thanks to WILSON ANDREWS, KITTY BENNETT and ALICIA PARLAPIANO for the UPDATED APRIL 20, 2016 Delegate Count and Primary Results. It is these well organized tables that provide the readers a clear picture of the real primary results. It is clear now that even if Cruz wins all the remaining delegates up for grab he will fall short by 20 delegates. Cruz should consider dropping out. The fictitious stop Trump campaign will not work if Cruz has nothing special to offer and he does not. Sorry Cruz, just cruzing along is counter productive.
3
Considering Clinton received the endorsement from the establishment democrats and the newspapers like NY Times and the media, a margin of 15% is quite slim. Bernie Sanders may be feeling a bit crushed but hopefully not discouraged. He has shown that he can keep coming back and hopefully Bernie will be back. He should continue to stay in the race until the outcome of all the investigations have been settled and Sec. Clinton is cleared of all the wrong doings.
6
Keep telling yourself that. 15% is a landslide.
Bernie was saying he was going to win, then keeping her to only a one digit would prove that she was losing ground.
What was their excuse for 15%?
Bernie was saying he was going to win, then keeping her to only a one digit would prove that she was losing ground.
What was their excuse for 15%?
1
Want to point this out as I haven't seen it in the news: I believe Kasich beat Trump in Manhattan! So there.
5
Cruz hit his ceiling a month ago - the recent wins, for the most part, were done by intimidation and dirty campaigning in caucus states - the most un-democratic venues in the primaries. Wisconsin, as we suspected, was an anti-Trump win for Cruz...it had nothing to do with Cruz's completely un-likeable personality or cultish-zealot sharia approach to government.
3
From the moment the Sanders campaign began, how could anyone have expected fairness from the NY Times or the media in general.
One day after her "victory", you have her ads plastered all over your apparently fair and balanced (one would think) reporting.
And really, how could I have expected anything else? The NY Times has fawned over Hillary since she announced that like some perverted game of musical chairs that this was her turn to be president.
Disgusting.
One day after her "victory", you have her ads plastered all over your apparently fair and balanced (one would think) reporting.
And really, how could I have expected anything else? The NY Times has fawned over Hillary since she announced that like some perverted game of musical chairs that this was her turn to be president.
Disgusting.
11
I wonder why your put the word "victory" in quotes. She won the primary. That's a victory. Can you explain?
I imagine that on the day of Hillary Clinton's inauguration - if it happens - the Berniebots will be whining that the media isn't being fair to him because Hillary is getting all the coverage.
I imagine that on the day of Hillary Clinton's inauguration - if it happens - the Berniebots will be whining that the media isn't being fair to him because Hillary is getting all the coverage.
I just noticed the paragraph in which 2/3 of Democratic primary voters said that Wall Street does more to hurt the economy than to help it. That's pretty damning, considering how concentrated the Democratic vote is in NYC and how big of a presence Wall Street has in the city's economy. The next paragraph, however, the one which said that a majority of REPUBLICAN primary voters felt the same way, may be even more damning. If Wall Street has such a negative impression here, then one can only imagine its image among voters elsewhere.
What politicians in both major parties need to realize is that (1) for a great many people, the consequences of 2008 have not gone away and (2) Wall Street is only in it for itself, period, full stop. I don't expect the Republican establishment to move away from its ties to Wall Street, but the sooner the Democratic establishment can align itself less with Wall Street and more with its victims, the better.
What politicians in both major parties need to realize is that (1) for a great many people, the consequences of 2008 have not gone away and (2) Wall Street is only in it for itself, period, full stop. I don't expect the Republican establishment to move away from its ties to Wall Street, but the sooner the Democratic establishment can align itself less with Wall Street and more with its victims, the better.
21
Yes, the typical thrifty person who wishes to avoid risky investing has received virtually no income from savings since 2008, as a result of monetary policy the banks prescribed to cure their own ills through the Federal Reserve Bank.
1
Last night proved that Sanders can't fool everyone. I looked at his 2014 taxes, the only year he released. He is in the top 5% of households and pays 13% tax. I make not even a third of that and pay over 20%. He won the states dominated by white guys. NY is much more diverse then Wyoming,etc.
20
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around that chartered 767 that Sanders, his wife, children, and grandchildren plus Secret Service agents, et al, flew over for a night in Rome. Somehow that doesn't go with the pure and environmental Socialist mantle.
Who in the world paid for that? Was that permitted by campaign finance laws? That was worth the costs of a couple of the Clinton talks that he always mentions.
Who in the world paid for that? Was that permitted by campaign finance laws? That was worth the costs of a couple of the Clinton talks that he always mentions.
4
Just received the following joke circulating online among old, white conservatives:
" If Trump wins the election it'll be the first time in
> history that a
>
> Billionaire moved into public housing vacated by a black
> family!"
And I received this from a Kasich supporter.
This, to me, epitomizes how doomed the GOP is.
" If Trump wins the election it'll be the first time in
> history that a
>
> Billionaire moved into public housing vacated by a black
> family!"
And I received this from a Kasich supporter.
This, to me, epitomizes how doomed the GOP is.
17
While things may not be going well for Goldman Sachs on the business front, the financial service folks can take joy in the victory of their Democratic candidate's win in NY. Now if Ted can keep winning outside of NY, they can still have both of the candidates in the general election.
6
The Sanders supporters need to realize their candidate cannot win the nomination. They need to begin supporting Secretary Clinton unless they truly want Donald Trump as their president. That is a truly horrifying thought.
16
Clinton supporters should wake up and realize that their candidate is a genuine threat to both world peace and the lives of the woman and children "she cares about". Her candidacy is built on myths, distortions and lies, which others see right through, enough to give her such high unfavorables.
4
Get used to it. Donald it is. The status quo is doomed.
so according to you, corrupt is always better than mad. Not too sure about this. It has been proven that corrupt people start wars. At least mad people made for great SNL sketches.
The only time Cruz wins is when the voting base is stacked with religious and uneducated people. He doesn't appeal to the wider national audience that isn't interested in his Bible beating. I don't want Trump as president but I would the uncertainty of Trump over the lunacy of Cruz.
11
I think it's been a long time since we last had a heavy duty presidential candidate in either party.
4
I hope the Clinton win will finally convince some of the Sanders supporters that going negative isn't in their best interest, even if they strongly disagree with the other candidate's politics.
18
I already felt that way.. though, honestly, Clinton has been very negative. She just does it in a more artful way. It's not natural for Bernie, and it doesn't look good on him.
Even if Bernie's telling the truth, shhh. Don't make our Hillary look bad. Forget that she and Bill played progressives for fools and has given us no reason not to expect more of the same. It depresses me no end to think that this lady of very poor judgement will most likely be our front runner. Yes, most Dems will vote for her if she's the candidate, but we know nothing is going to change with her at the helm.
From CNN Money, about Hillary's paid speeches:
The standard fee and her demands are outlined in a memo from the Harry Walker Agency in New York.
According to the memo, Clinton requires travel by private jet, and even specifies that she prefers a Gulfstream 450 or larger. Her staff requires first class and business class tickets. And two members of her staff require up to three days on site to prepare, with all local transportation and meals included.
The memo states Clinton should be booked into a presidential suite with up to three separate rooms attached.
Clinton also requires a flat fee of $1,000 to pay for an onsite stenographer to record everything she says. However, Clinton is not required to provide the host with a copy, according to the memo.
Costs associated with her demands are on top of her speaking fee.
The standard fee and her demands are outlined in a memo from the Harry Walker Agency in New York.
According to the memo, Clinton requires travel by private jet, and even specifies that she prefers a Gulfstream 450 or larger. Her staff requires first class and business class tickets. And two members of her staff require up to three days on site to prepare, with all local transportation and meals included.
The memo states Clinton should be booked into a presidential suite with up to three separate rooms attached.
Clinton also requires a flat fee of $1,000 to pay for an onsite stenographer to record everything she says. However, Clinton is not required to provide the host with a copy, according to the memo.
Costs associated with her demands are on top of her speaking fee.
16
Doesn't it make sense to raise the cost of something in high demand until the demand falls to the available supply?
Sanders chartered a 767 jet to fly him to Rome and back for less than 24 hours. Although the jet has a capacity between 211 and 261, there were fewer than fifty people on board.
Now ... Can we get back to winning an election against someone who has gold plated appliances in his private jets (plural)?
Now ... Can we get back to winning an election against someone who has gold plated appliances in his private jets (plural)?
3
What's your point, because no one really cares about any of that.
1
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton finally got their political revenge in New York. Let us see if they can continue their vengence next week on April 26. Any delegates they win will easily compesate for the loses they received in the last several weeks.
2
"Our woman in New York" was the headline in a NYT article yesterday. I certainly would wish, in Europe just as in the USA, for more information and less campaigning in journalism. It is not fair.
Think about how it was a year ago. Bernie Sanders seemed to have no chance at all. The real surprise in these pre-elections is that a man like Sanders gets so many, many votes. So it is no "triumph" that Clinton got 57%, is it? In most of the media in Europe, for example, Sanders was not even mentioned until weeks ago...
An american friend put it like this: 50% of the people would want Trump. 50% would want to fight for a change and against a divided country and want Sanders, a FDR for the 21th century. The winner will be Hillary Clinton who represents the old establishment. They will say, a woman made it - and of course it is strange that only men were leaders in our countries for so long. But this election is not about gender mainly. It is about that so many have enough of the old neoliberal system, and that never before so many voters wanted the first real change in the USA, a president for the people at last. Sanders might not win, but he certainly expresses what a lot of Americans want, and what they are tired of.
Think about how it was a year ago. Bernie Sanders seemed to have no chance at all. The real surprise in these pre-elections is that a man like Sanders gets so many, many votes. So it is no "triumph" that Clinton got 57%, is it? In most of the media in Europe, for example, Sanders was not even mentioned until weeks ago...
An american friend put it like this: 50% of the people would want Trump. 50% would want to fight for a change and against a divided country and want Sanders, a FDR for the 21th century. The winner will be Hillary Clinton who represents the old establishment. They will say, a woman made it - and of course it is strange that only men were leaders in our countries for so long. But this election is not about gender mainly. It is about that so many have enough of the old neoliberal system, and that never before so many voters wanted the first real change in the USA, a president for the people at last. Sanders might not win, but he certainly expresses what a lot of Americans want, and what they are tired of.
10
Old Bernie is no FDR. The comparison is lazy and dishonest.
Did you see the picture article linked in The Guardian about Trump's obscene wealth? (http://filthyrichstar.com/2015/12/donald-trump-the-filthy-richest-star-s...
David Cameron has called Trump "divisive, stupid and wrong" when Parliament was debating whether to allow Trump to even enter England. Cameron told Parliament, "If he came to visit our country, I think he would unite us all against him."
David Cameron has called Trump "divisive, stupid and wrong" when Parliament was debating whether to allow Trump to even enter England. Cameron told Parliament, "If he came to visit our country, I think he would unite us all against him."
@ejb
Sorry. But Sanders can hardly claim to be a "President for the People" when he can't even consolidate the African-American and "Minority" votes.
Take a closer look at the Demographic breakdown of his supporters, and see for yourself.
Sorry. But Sanders can hardly claim to be a "President for the People" when he can't even consolidate the African-American and "Minority" votes.
Take a closer look at the Demographic breakdown of his supporters, and see for yourself.
Folks, we're letting big business make our beds....
15
While I acknowledge Bernie Sanders has a right to continue the race until the Convention, he and his supporters should keep in mind that Clinton's current lead over him in PLEDGED delegates is at 277. Clinton never lagged more than 110 delegates behind when she and Obama ran in the 2008 primary, and even though she decisively won both NY and CA, it wasn't enough to close the gap.
The other MATH issue is that every dollar Clinton and Sanders have to spend on the primary--in what is increasingly looking like Sanders' vanity project--is a dollar that can't be used to fight in the general election, either at the presidential level or for local offices.
The other MATH issue is that every dollar Clinton and Sanders have to spend on the primary--in what is increasingly looking like Sanders' vanity project--is a dollar that can't be used to fight in the general election, either at the presidential level or for local offices.
18
Why are you worrying about your candidate's funding (clearly Clinton)? She'll continue to receive unlimited funding from the corporations and special interests who own her. Which just shows even more how disinterested she is about getting money out of politics, because she would be no where without her corrupt funding. And you and I know it.
1
Looking at the photo with this article and seeing crazy Carl Paladino right behind Trump speaks volumes about Trump's supporters. And speaking of California, it continues to surprise me that little seems to be written comparing the Trump candidacy with what happened here. A decent governor named Gray Davis was kicked out of office in favor of a wealthy, no experience movie star named Arnold. Arnold was going to make California great again. He turned out to be a disaster and a fraud. And isn't it ironic that the Donald's replacement on his tv show is Arnold. God bless America.
15
It took our "old," re-tread Gov. Jerry Brown to bring California back from the near-disaster of the Schwarzenegger years.
1
Agreed that Arnold did not meet expectations; problem was he acted too much like a Democrat.
Gray Davis more than deserved to be recalled. He showed absolutely no ability to lead during the 2000 CA energy market crisis. He was a career politician and bureaucrat who failed all Californians and nearly bankrupted the state treasury.
Gray Davis more than deserved to be recalled. He showed absolutely no ability to lead during the 2000 CA energy market crisis. He was a career politician and bureaucrat who failed all Californians and nearly bankrupted the state treasury.
There was an good lesson in Clinton's NY closed primary win that democracy is not the goal, one person one vote, in presidential elections. That Sanders is standing his ground against the DNC, Shultz and the Clinton machine is heartening, more than I had hoped for. I hope that he continues to do it.
The democrat party isn't set up as a party of democracy except for those within the two party system. And there is the long arm of marketing influence, a network of huge mainstream media concerns, vast wealth and long established political hierarchy to seriously take into account as we define what we envision as, democracy.
Yesterday we experienced how very extensive, all powerful, the two parties are in our republic. The system wasn't initially set-up for one person one vote as rule of democratic law in America.
If intent is genuine toward changing the system, I suggest that from here onward, everyone voting for Sanders make it their priority, no surprises, no excuses, to register as a democrat before every closed primary remaining, to create lines as far as the eye can see in every state, as we move through this second half of the primaries.
The democrat party isn't set up as a party of democracy except for those within the two party system. And there is the long arm of marketing influence, a network of huge mainstream media concerns, vast wealth and long established political hierarchy to seriously take into account as we define what we envision as, democracy.
Yesterday we experienced how very extensive, all powerful, the two parties are in our republic. The system wasn't initially set-up for one person one vote as rule of democratic law in America.
If intent is genuine toward changing the system, I suggest that from here onward, everyone voting for Sanders make it their priority, no surprises, no excuses, to register as a democrat before every closed primary remaining, to create lines as far as the eye can see in every state, as we move through this second half of the primaries.
12
Please. I don't care for a lot of the internal Democratic party rules, but the party, as a private non-government entity, gets to make its own rules. And the Constitution gives the states vast leeway in how they conduct their elections.
Sanders might have known that if he'd been a Democrat for more than a few months. Why didn't he run as a Republican if he hates the Democratic Party so much? THAT would be change.
'The democrat party isn't set up as a party of democracy except for those within the two party system.'
Then start a party of your own and get tens of millions of people to vote for it. That's how the current two major parties did it. The system does not require only two major parties, that's just how it has evolved. The Constitution is silent on the existence of political parties.
Clinton is winning because millions more people have voted for her. Full stop. She has more elected delegates because she has won many many more votes.
Why is everyone so surprised that someone who has worked within the Democratic party for decades is doing better in a Democratic party primary season than someone who became a Democrat a few months ago?
Oh, and it's the 'Democratic' party, by the way.
Sanders might have known that if he'd been a Democrat for more than a few months. Why didn't he run as a Republican if he hates the Democratic Party so much? THAT would be change.
'The democrat party isn't set up as a party of democracy except for those within the two party system.'
Then start a party of your own and get tens of millions of people to vote for it. That's how the current two major parties did it. The system does not require only two major parties, that's just how it has evolved. The Constitution is silent on the existence of political parties.
Clinton is winning because millions more people have voted for her. Full stop. She has more elected delegates because she has won many many more votes.
Why is everyone so surprised that someone who has worked within the Democratic party for decades is doing better in a Democratic party primary season than someone who became a Democrat a few months ago?
Oh, and it's the 'Democratic' party, by the way.
3
If you can't win by the rules, do the next best thing. Complain about the rules.
5
Or change them.
1
Bernie Sanders supporters have always been a little delusional about his chance of winning the Democratic nomination. He ran as an Independent for his Senate seat, while Hillary Clinton has been a lifelong, loyal Democrat. He would have had to beat her in a landslide to get the super-delegates to side with him. That said, he ran a very impressive campaign and the Democratic party is better off for it. But, it's over for him.
31
Let me see.. It is over for Bernie because 75 or 80 percent of this country's younger citizens support him, while the future lies with Clinton and her septuagenarians? Is that it?
5
I didn't say his political career is over. His shot at the Democratic nomination is though. Pardon me as I don't know all the election rules, but maybe if Ted Cruz wins the GOP nomination through a contested convention and Donald Trump runs as an Independent, then Bernie Sanders would be prompted to do the same. This would be a historic 4-way race that reshapes the American political landscape. Otherwise, yeah, it's over.
With the Democratic National Committee, Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Ag, the Military Industrial Complex, the Main Stream Media, massive voter purging, and a closed primary with a six month deadline to prevent millions from re-registering, Hillary manages to win her home state...
How proud she must be...
How proud she must be...
23
Illinois is her home state.
2
You must work for the Koch Brothers super pac. You are well versed in the talking points.
1
@tom
Well. THIS is a new low. You are actually blaming Clinton for preventing "millions from re-registering" to vote, so that she could win???
Listen. If Sanders had enough time to change from a Independent -- to a Democrat (in-name-only), so did all of his followers.
Missed the deadline??? --that's too bad.
Well. THIS is a new low. You are actually blaming Clinton for preventing "millions from re-registering" to vote, so that she could win???
Listen. If Sanders had enough time to change from a Independent -- to a Democrat (in-name-only), so did all of his followers.
Missed the deadline??? --that's too bad.
1
The calls have been coming in, and will no doubt intensify now, for Sanders to "do the right thing for the party" and drop out. He won't and shouldn't. He's doing the right thing for the party and for the country by staying in to the end. The party needs the debate over what it stands for and who it will fight for. Hopefully Sanders, by maximizing his support through the remaining primaries, can leverage that support to negotiate a party platform that is more geared toward economic opportunity for the many, including the less fortunate, and less tied to wealthy interests and the few. On this front, he can and should absolutely play hardball on this, including possibly threatening an independent run in the fall if the party rejects his platform demands.
He's also starting to fund-raise for congressional candidates, and by doing so can help to bring up a new class of representatives who are uncorrupted by corporate money and not beholden to big donors. All of this is essential work for the Democratic Party to truly distinguish itself as a party for the many, not just the few.
He's also starting to fund-raise for congressional candidates, and by doing so can help to bring up a new class of representatives who are uncorrupted by corporate money and not beholden to big donors. All of this is essential work for the Democratic Party to truly distinguish itself as a party for the many, not just the few.
16
Fraud on top of the Hill
12
If winning your home state by about 16 points, while losing in about 90 percent of the counties, is a 'triumph', I guess that's why, when Sanders won every town and city in Vermont, they couldn't even fit it on the front page!
Anyway... notwithstanding what appears to have been a shoddy primary, hats off to Clinton.
I'm with Bernie to the end, though - to the general election, and beyond the general election. Like it or not, if you want to talk numbers - as HRC supporters frequently do - the numbers still show, by massive margins, that Clinton is yesterday's candidate and Bernie is tomorrow's.
Anyway... notwithstanding what appears to have been a shoddy primary, hats off to Clinton.
I'm with Bernie to the end, though - to the general election, and beyond the general election. Like it or not, if you want to talk numbers - as HRC supporters frequently do - the numbers still show, by massive margins, that Clinton is yesterday's candidate and Bernie is tomorrow's.
19
So, by your logic, the votes from people living outside the city should be worth more than those who live in the city? Hillary got 1,037,344 votes, while Bernie got 752,739. Are you saying that you would like some of the million votes Hillary got to move upstate so you feel better?
The numbers actually show Clinton is walloping Sanders.
As if the NY results aren't a wide enough margin, nationally she has almost 3 million votes more than he does.
Your post seems delusional.
The numbers actually show Clinton is walloping Sanders.
As if the NY results aren't a wide enough margin, nationally she has almost 3 million votes more than he does.
Your post seems delusional.
Well, now that Trump has given Cruz a ‘7/11’ and it seems finally the GOP establishment has received a very rude awakening. Trump will be their candidate and their chances to have a POTUS are diminishing with each primary. Although the Priebus establishment did not actually create Trump it most certainly let it happen with their lack of vision. They thought Trump was nothing but a clown, and they were right, but failed to see why he was winning the hearts and minds of the Republican fringe that felt betrayed by their “leaders”.
Now they must face the fact that the “old GOP” has self-destroyed, a dramatic fate long waiting to happen. They have nobody to blame but themselves…. if they are smart. If the Convention leans towards Cruz, despite Trump’s electoral position, the GOP will have a political Armageddon with long lasting results. For starters, the GOP will lose both Houses and, worse of all, the chance of a continuing right-wing SCOTUS, especially now that two judges are of retirement age. Sic transit gloria mundi!
Now they must face the fact that the “old GOP” has self-destroyed, a dramatic fate long waiting to happen. They have nobody to blame but themselves…. if they are smart. If the Convention leans towards Cruz, despite Trump’s electoral position, the GOP will have a political Armageddon with long lasting results. For starters, the GOP will lose both Houses and, worse of all, the chance of a continuing right-wing SCOTUS, especially now that two judges are of retirement age. Sic transit gloria mundi!
6
Manafort is, if nothing else, smart.
1
And you don't discuss the more significant result - Kasich with 25% - why????
3
Hillary Clinton:New York as Willard Romney:Massachusetts. Two Wall Street enabling carpet baggers who would be perfect on a ticket together. At least when it came time to elect a POTUS, Massachusetts was smart enough to profit from its observation of him as Governor to just say no to Romney.
If Senator Sanders is correct in his assessment of the number of independents blocked from voting in the NY primary, The NY Democratic machine and the DNC should be ashamed in their frabjous joy over Mrs. Clinton's win. In our March primary, (even MA can recognize that the two parties exercise an effective monopoly on POTUS nominee generation,) unenrolled (independent) registered voters were able to select which party ballot they wished to vote upon at the polling station. Mrs. Clinton won exactly one more pledged delegate than did Senator Sanders. Had the NY primary not been closed for the benefit of the party establishment, I very much doubt whether Mrs. Clinton would be celebrating today. Freezing out independents from the POTUS nomination process is anti-democratic, and it is a great disappointment that an otherwise often progressive state does so.
If Senator Sanders is correct in his assessment of the number of independents blocked from voting in the NY primary, The NY Democratic machine and the DNC should be ashamed in their frabjous joy over Mrs. Clinton's win. In our March primary, (even MA can recognize that the two parties exercise an effective monopoly on POTUS nominee generation,) unenrolled (independent) registered voters were able to select which party ballot they wished to vote upon at the polling station. Mrs. Clinton won exactly one more pledged delegate than did Senator Sanders. Had the NY primary not been closed for the benefit of the party establishment, I very much doubt whether Mrs. Clinton would be celebrating today. Freezing out independents from the POTUS nomination process is anti-democratic, and it is a great disappointment that an otherwise often progressive state does so.
10
Any of those independents could have registered for the party whose candidate they wanted to have a say on. That they did not do so lies only on them.
This was not new terms for this election. Just because you don't read the directions doesn't mean you were robbed.
And you can't assume that all the independents would have gone for Sanders. Some might have gone for Clinton, others for a Republican candidate. Independents tend to be just that, Independent.
Personally, I am registered in a party that I don't usually support, because my state and district are so monolithic that my vote only counts in the primary. But I've helped limit the damage, and unless I move, that's the best I can do. That, and work for the GOTV efforts in districts that are more competitive.
This was not new terms for this election. Just because you don't read the directions doesn't mean you were robbed.
And you can't assume that all the independents would have gone for Sanders. Some might have gone for Clinton, others for a Republican candidate. Independents tend to be just that, Independent.
Personally, I am registered in a party that I don't usually support, because my state and district are so monolithic that my vote only counts in the primary. But I've helped limit the damage, and unless I move, that's the best I can do. That, and work for the GOTV efforts in districts that are more competitive.
If your entire candidacy depends on revolution, then you must have enough support to command a very broad majority, at least in a democracy. Sanders does not have even a narrow majority just in the Democratic Party. When you consider the broader electorate, many of whom are deeply suspicious of government, Sander's revolution goes nowhere and he accomplishes zero as President. Sanders would just be an angry version of Jimmy Carter.
14
I hoped it would be closer. Barring a miracle,start counting down to the idiotic wars Clinton will start. I'm predicting she won't even wait until the end of 2017 - her Dr. Strangelove comments in the debates have been chilling. I don't know what's left for her to give to the banks or the fracking or pharmaceutical industries but whatever they want it's open sesame. So first woman president will be a compulsively lying warmongering corporate shill - what a great thing to be proud of. Not. Hope the Berners will keep berning and form a third party to break this vicious cycle of establishment Dems "getting things done" for the wealthy and leaving the rest of us in the dust. Bernie has his issues but at least someone is taking a position other than craven submission to the oligarchy and endless war.
9
Bernie has stated that he wants to reform the Democratic Party. But neither he nor I will live long enough. So third party, Greens, here I come if Clinton is the nominee. I can't vote for another war criminal (Obama was the first, but only once).
I'm sorry to see that New York Democrats really do want Big Money in the White House, and a President surrounded by bankers, corporate interests, and lobbyists. No politician has ever taken so many millions, from so many special interests, before an election. No politician has ever run with FBI investigations. These are not smears or Republican lies, these are actions made by Clinton herself. Yet the Dems gave her a big thumbs up. Go figure.
14
Trump is the mirror image of Kasich. He carried every district in New York, except where he himself lived. Guess that shows that the people who know him the best like him the least.
7
Seriously, dear NYT,
Get over yourselves - the turnaround that Bernie was able to lead is unprecedented... how can you consistently repeat propaganda titles about the very incredible feats in in this electoral process? What a shame... you are proving to be a ridiculously biased publication. I used to think that reason, morality and logic were a part of your standard mode.
Bernie has a chance and you are not in touch with the reality of the future -- of the generation that follows this one...
Get over yourselves - the turnaround that Bernie was able to lead is unprecedented... how can you consistently repeat propaganda titles about the very incredible feats in in this electoral process? What a shame... you are proving to be a ridiculously biased publication. I used to think that reason, morality and logic were a part of your standard mode.
Bernie has a chance and you are not in touch with the reality of the future -- of the generation that follows this one...
13
He lost the New York primary. Why do Bernie supporters keep insisting the Times characterize that as a win? It makes no sense.
2
Margin of victory for Trump is 35%. Margin of victory for Clinton is 15%. All polls and pundits were way off and all the negative speculation and maligning comments by the press were rejected by the registered Republican voters. This is a huge victory for Trump that will assure a smooth sailing for Trump and he could declare himself the Republican nominee as he is the only one left with many more delegates left to grab than the delegates needed for the nomination. Whether you like Trump or not if you believe the primaries were held fairly. Trump has a clear unstopable path to the nomination. The Trumping received by Cruz and Kasich in a major state despite all endorsements from the heavy weights of the establishment indicates that the voters have no confidence in the establishment. Any subversion of the people's vote would be counter productive and a serious blow to the Republican party.
3
I'm a Cruz supporter, however I'm refreshed with Trump bringing back the Pride in American made products. Made in America is what "made" America great.
This is the single most important issue facing our nation.
This is the single most important issue facing our nation.
2
Agree that this is important, ~J, but much of Trump's line of things (and his daughter's) is made outside of the USA. He can talk the talk, but he doesn't seem to be walking the talk. Fair?
2
Though this will make a lot of people angry, I think it is important to elect a competent woman to the Presidency. As we needed to break the ban on black Presidents when Obama ran, we need to elect, not just any woman, but a competent woman to the Presidency, to break that very thick glass ceiling. And Hillary appears poised to do that.
Before Hillary ran for anything, I bought a T-shirt that had a cartoon of a little girl jumping for joy and the slogan "Someday a woman will be President." I have it out where I can see it these days.
If Hillary wins, I know that many women and girls will be thrilled and many men, especially fathers and brothers of girls, will also be thrilled. For the rest of you,don't worry -- eight years of a female President won't be so bad.
Before Hillary ran for anything, I bought a T-shirt that had a cartoon of a little girl jumping for joy and the slogan "Someday a woman will be President." I have it out where I can see it these days.
If Hillary wins, I know that many women and girls will be thrilled and many men, especially fathers and brothers of girls, will also be thrilled. For the rest of you,don't worry -- eight years of a female President won't be so bad.
14
Maybe not so bad, but maybe not that good either. Since presidents are nothing more than symbolic figureheads, anyway, why not just set up a symbol rotation for all the representative objects of society, forget about elections altogether and establish rote policy. Democracy by algorithm, if you will. What's fairer than that?
For what it's worth, I don't think it would be great to have a woman in the Oval Office. I may be a Bernie supporter, but at least we can agree on your comment as a general principle. You can probably guess what my issues with Hilary Clinton are, so I won't waste my breath ranting about ethical leadership, here. That said, the fact remains that having a woman in office, especially a... pragmatic one like Hilary Clinton would (will?) definitely have some benefits, if only to get a different prospective at top levels of government. I guess this is all to say that come November, I may not be screaming "Go Hilary!" but I will quietly pull the lever with her name and go back home without a fuss.
Sorry @Elephant lover, if my reply got posted, the first sentence got garbled. I started to write "I don't have a problem with a woman in office," but halfway through I started to switch to "I can see the benefit of a woman in office." A mishmash of the two ideas resulted in "I don't see the benefit of a woman in office," which is PRECISELY the opposite of what I was attempting to say. Hope it didn't cause any bad feelings!
Why on earth would a political party enable non-members to vote for its candidate for President? It is a proposition devoid of any sense whatsoever.
Bernie Sanders is not who Democratic party members want as their candidate. It's their party. If Bernie is upset about that, let him start his own party.
Bernie Sanders is not who Democratic party members want as their candidate. It's their party. If Bernie is upset about that, let him start his own party.
18
Looking at the state-wide map, it seems that HRC's success was largely dependent upon the voter's geographic proximity to Wall Street.
10
Or, to look at it another way, the voters' existence. Bernie won all the counties that don't have any people.
3
No, it was her proximity to college educated people.
1
@ Joe Pasquariello
Here's a homework assignment, total up the population of the counties Sanders won and those that Clinton won.
http://www.us-places.com/New-York/population-by-County.htm
Here's a homework assignment, total up the population of the counties Sanders won and those that Clinton won.
http://www.us-places.com/New-York/population-by-County.htm
Hilary Clinton holding up the hand of the new York governor to celebrate a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage is classic Hilary.
For a long time now Bernie Sanders has championed the 15 dollar an hour minimum wage. Hilary thought it was too much too fast.
But there she was looking like she was part of getting people to 15 dollars an hour.
She will continue to campaign for the people and she will govern for the special interests. You don't think all that corporate money she gets will make a difference?
For a long time now Bernie Sanders has championed the 15 dollar an hour minimum wage. Hilary thought it was too much too fast.
But there she was looking like she was part of getting people to 15 dollars an hour.
She will continue to campaign for the people and she will govern for the special interests. You don't think all that corporate money she gets will make a difference?
12
I couldn't be prouder of New York State for sending Bernie scampering back to Vermont last night. Well done! Well done!!
19
Check yourself.
Bernie is not "scampering" anywhere. Hillary won NY in 2008. Remember how that turned out?
An unscheduled charter flight from Pennsylvania to Vermont - that is pretty much scampering, or maybe slinking.
2
"Mommy Mommy the mean man at the voting booth won't let me vote and says there are rules about that voting stuff."
17
The turnout for the 2008 NYS Democratic Primary was nearly identical the 2016 turnout. Bernie will get more votes than Obama. Hillary will get about the same. Yogi Berra is right - "It ain't over till it's over"
In the 2008 Democratic Primary
Total Votes - 1,862,445
Clinton
1,068,496 votes or 57.4%
Obama
751,01 votes 40.3%
Others -Edwards, Kucinich, Richardson and Biden totaled
42,930 votes or 2.3%
In the 2008 Democratic Primary
Total Votes - 1,862,445
Clinton
1,068,496 votes or 57.4%
Obama
751,01 votes 40.3%
Others -Edwards, Kucinich, Richardson and Biden totaled
42,930 votes or 2.3%
8
Thank you for numbers and evidence. This should be a NYT pick!
1
I'm surprised she did as poorly as she did. Particularly upstate. The county-by-county map is staggering. The only counties she won outside downstate were Erie, Monroe, and Onondaga (where I'm sure Terry McAuliffe called in a lot of favors), and those were by a few percentage points at best. In Erie (Buffalo), the two were in a statistical tie (Sanders lost by just over 200 votes!). Given that the primary was closed, this was her home state, and most of the country looks more like upstate NY economically than downstate, I'd say she has a real problem in the general.
16
Newsflash: Donald Trump never lost control of the Republican Race.
Let's rephrase this to reflect what actually happened: NYT and the rest of the pro-Obama establishment media, after spending weeks pretending Trump was losing and couldn't get to 1237 are licking their wounds.
Nothing beats a Wednesday morning birthday stroll to the office here in Capitol Hill watching bleary-eyed cable news Trump hating hacks sleepwalking to Starbucks in full pouty face.
Mr. Trump thank you for making this a great birthday morning.
And America, thank you for deciding that the press doesn't get to pick the president again this time.
Let's rephrase this to reflect what actually happened: NYT and the rest of the pro-Obama establishment media, after spending weeks pretending Trump was losing and couldn't get to 1237 are licking their wounds.
Nothing beats a Wednesday morning birthday stroll to the office here in Capitol Hill watching bleary-eyed cable news Trump hating hacks sleepwalking to Starbucks in full pouty face.
Mr. Trump thank you for making this a great birthday morning.
And America, thank you for deciding that the press doesn't get to pick the president again this time.
5
The term 'oligarchs' carries the strong message that these individuals are separate, distinct, and somewhat competing individuals --- whereas the far more correct term 'Empire' fully and very accurately carries the truth that all of the tiny sociopathic 1% ruling-elite are working in concert against 'we the people'.
Secondly, the distractive and erroneous term, 'oligarchy' (which it was strongly to Bernie Samders' disadvantage in his campaign to use) actually only applies to a political disease within one country --- whereas again the far more correct term 'Empire' much more accurately carries the full truth that the entire global ruling-elite of the world are conspiring in concert to operate a Disguised Global Capitalist Empire to enslave as mere 'subjects' the 99% of we citizens of our world.
Hopefully, before his brave and well intended, but vaguely stated, "Political Revolution" collapses, Bernie can properly diagnose, educate, 'expose', and energize the people that what is required to ignite a real and coherently framed revolution is for him to fire a non-violent "Shout heard round the world" to ignite an essential Second American "Political Revolution against EMPIRE" --- which is a full, complete, and action sentence, with an 'object' (the object being to confront this Empire).
Secondly, the distractive and erroneous term, 'oligarchy' (which it was strongly to Bernie Samders' disadvantage in his campaign to use) actually only applies to a political disease within one country --- whereas again the far more correct term 'Empire' much more accurately carries the full truth that the entire global ruling-elite of the world are conspiring in concert to operate a Disguised Global Capitalist Empire to enslave as mere 'subjects' the 99% of we citizens of our world.
Hopefully, before his brave and well intended, but vaguely stated, "Political Revolution" collapses, Bernie can properly diagnose, educate, 'expose', and energize the people that what is required to ignite a real and coherently framed revolution is for him to fire a non-violent "Shout heard round the world" to ignite an essential Second American "Political Revolution against EMPIRE" --- which is a full, complete, and action sentence, with an 'object' (the object being to confront this Empire).
2
Happy Birthday to me!
Donald Trump soundly routed Ted Cruz, becoming the first Presidential candidate in American History to defeat 2 primary candidates after being attacked for 14 days by every media organization in America.
We are another day closer to the end of the Obama presidency, Trump is in the drivers seat, there's no humidity here in Washington on a bright sunny day on Capitol Hill, and the political and news elites are eating crow by the plate today.
I don't even need the cake or the candles. Today rocks!
Donald Trump soundly routed Ted Cruz, becoming the first Presidential candidate in American History to defeat 2 primary candidates after being attacked for 14 days by every media organization in America.
We are another day closer to the end of the Obama presidency, Trump is in the drivers seat, there's no humidity here in Washington on a bright sunny day on Capitol Hill, and the political and news elites are eating crow by the plate today.
I don't even need the cake or the candles. Today rocks!
2
Best wishes!
2
Nobody should sound this happy. Get back to work!
1
Happy Birthday!
So some of Hillary's supporters are being loud and rude about the victory. I urge those of us who care about this country and this momentous election not to reject her because of the uncouth and insensitive behavior of a small minority of her followers. Like Bernie's supporters, the vast majority of us who are supporting Hillary at this point are serious about our candidate and policies. Really listening to what he has to say despite the noise is merely the common courtesy so many are also extending to Hillary by not letting themselves be put off by the sometimes harsh antics of her supporters. In the end the important thing is to vote for whoever becomes the nominee--as well as down ticket races like crazy. And remember that mainstream media--including the venerable NYT--focus as much attention on the loud and rude as they do because the horse raise sells papers and clicks, not because of larger interests of the common good.
3
and I thought New Yorkers were smarter than most of the country...wrong again...but hey voter tampering is taking over
6
Three things.1)Bernard's mocking dismissal of Hillary Clinton's African American support in the South.2)Sanders apathetic pro-gun manufacturer tone regarding the litigation of Sandy Hook parents and their slaughtered children.3)Bern's nonexistent to minimal contribution,rhetorically or otherwise,to down ballot democratic candidates and campaigns.The invisible culmination of these postures signify a lack of serious concern or concentration on the so-called political 'revolution,the senator from Vermont so espouses.This man has had ample time to develope credible strategies to bring about this 'revolution.He certainly can't achieve it solo,as he seems to indicate.Clearly or almost certainly, this is his one and only chance at the Presidency.He hasn't thought this through.I wonder why he even bothered.He must be miserable...
21
Jeff, the substance of the gun manufacturer issue is one that would take a lot more than 2,000 characters to discuss. I agree with you that he has been a bit tone-deaf on this issue at times - although I also think he's right that he can forge a consensus on gun policy because, unlike Hillary, he has not advocated gun confiscation (as she and President Obama both have, with the "Australian model") and thus does will not have gun owners spooked that he's coming to take their guns away.
On the other two issues you raised:
1. Regarding the Deep South, he pointed out its' conservatism relative to the rest of the country. It might seem strange to lump in African Americans with conservatism, but the Upshot gang noted some time ago that on an ideological spectrum, African Americans in general are actually among the most conservative of Democratic voters. I attribute this to greater social conservatism among their ranks due to larger-than-average religious influence. It is reasonable to suppose that this is even more pronounced in the South.
3. Sanders is fundraising for certain congressional candidates, including Zephyr Teachout in NY, and some of his supporters are said to be preparing primary challenges to certain incumbent Democrats. You may not like the latter part of this, but this is part and parcel of how a party gets re-made from the inside. And I don't think anyone can find fault with representatives who are uncorrupted by big donors.
On the other two issues you raised:
1. Regarding the Deep South, he pointed out its' conservatism relative to the rest of the country. It might seem strange to lump in African Americans with conservatism, but the Upshot gang noted some time ago that on an ideological spectrum, African Americans in general are actually among the most conservative of Democratic voters. I attribute this to greater social conservatism among their ranks due to larger-than-average religious influence. It is reasonable to suppose that this is even more pronounced in the South.
3. Sanders is fundraising for certain congressional candidates, including Zephyr Teachout in NY, and some of his supporters are said to be preparing primary challenges to certain incumbent Democrats. You may not like the latter part of this, but this is part and parcel of how a party gets re-made from the inside. And I don't think anyone can find fault with representatives who are uncorrupted by big donors.
2
Being an independent means never having to say you are (part of a) party. So kindly stop complaining. A party primary is for choosing the party's nominee, not for "independents" to suddenly decide they want in on the game. You get your chance in the general election.
23
So, Mr. Manafort and his team are working diligently to turn Trump into a presidential candidate? It's certainly going to be an uphill battle for them, and if they change him too much his core of belligerent, bigoted, self-pitying supporters might pull away. After all, what attracts these people to Trump is his ability to "tell it like it is," in other words, his insults and rudeness. If he stops calling Mr. Cruz, "Lyin' Ted" and stops exhorting them to punch the protesters, what will his followers have to cheer about? Certainly not his non-existent "policy positions." Though, really, the chances of that happening are probably slim, and Mr. Manafort's efforts will no doubt be in vain. More likely, he'll find that the old adage holds true and he "can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear."
4
As I understand the data in this article Hillary received more votes than all 3 Republican candidates combined. For the sake of the country and the world let us pray that this wisdom prevails in November. My only question is what are the Republican primary voters smoking before they actually vote for Trump.
10
Hillary could not have been farther off the mark when she said more unites Sanders supporters and her supporters than divides them.
Unless she dipped into the beer and wine being served, she doesn't even know Sanders supporters are alive.
Unless she dipped into the beer and wine being served, she doesn't even know Sanders supporters are alive.
6
A Trump/Clinton race for the Presidency,
Who woulda thought!
Now the question of importance: who will be their VP choices?
Who woulda thought!
Now the question of importance: who will be their VP choices?
4
If the Independents were allowed to vote for Bernie in a NY primary...Hillary
would have lost.
So far we Independents are blocked out of being represented...no Super PACS
for us...just a kick out the door....and forget democracy in the USA...thanks
to Citizens United and yes ...NEW YORK...is rigged against we the people..
so stop gloating Editors...you won your choice...and it was rigged big time..!!!
would have lost.
So far we Independents are blocked out of being represented...no Super PACS
for us...just a kick out the door....and forget democracy in the USA...thanks
to Citizens United and yes ...NEW YORK...is rigged against we the people..
so stop gloating Editors...you won your choice...and it was rigged big time..!!!
11
Stop whining. If you wanted to vote for Sanders you could have. He's the one who changed parties in order to run, yet you are mad at everyone else but him? If you wanted to vote for the democrat you should have registered as a democrat.
3
I am an Independent...and the primary should be open to all
eligible voters.
I think you just have a very closed mind about voter's rights.
eligible voters.
I think you just have a very closed mind about voter's rights.
I am not sure that people who compare Sanders to Nader and McGovern understand the urgency of the environmental crisis or the dangers in the current world atmosphere of someone who is a bit of a hawk. Sanders had a real chance of getting somewhere. Did McGovern ever draw people by the thousands to rallies? And wasn't his loss attributed partly to the failure of the party to support him as it could have? Whose fault was that? Did Nader ever outperform Republican candidates (not to mention Gore) in the national polls? I blame cheating by Republicans and the bizarre intervention of the Supreme Court far more than I blame Nader.
6
"Did McGovern ever draw people by the thousands to rallies?"
Yes. I was a McGovern supporter. How do you think he managed to win the nomination? The "establishment" knew what would happen. It was only young people (like I was then) who demanded his nomination. There is such a thing as the wisdom of age.
"And wasn't his loss attributed partly to the failure of the party to support him as it could have?"
Not really. The rest of America rejected him ... and he was up against a genuine sleezeball who would literally do anything to win. Anything. (Think of Trump with better political advisors.)
"Whose fault was that?"
Nader
"Did Nader ever outperform Republican candidates (not to mention Gore) in the national polls? I blame cheating by Republicans and the bizarre intervention of the Supreme Court far more than I blame Nader."
Were you there? I was. Nader made it possible for the Supremes to put Bush into office. If Nader hadn't played the spoiler FIRST, the Supremes would never have been involved.
Yes. I was a McGovern supporter. How do you think he managed to win the nomination? The "establishment" knew what would happen. It was only young people (like I was then) who demanded his nomination. There is such a thing as the wisdom of age.
"And wasn't his loss attributed partly to the failure of the party to support him as it could have?"
Not really. The rest of America rejected him ... and he was up against a genuine sleezeball who would literally do anything to win. Anything. (Think of Trump with better political advisors.)
"Whose fault was that?"
Nader
"Did Nader ever outperform Republican candidates (not to mention Gore) in the national polls? I blame cheating by Republicans and the bizarre intervention of the Supreme Court far more than I blame Nader."
Were you there? I was. Nader made it possible for the Supremes to put Bush into office. If Nader hadn't played the spoiler FIRST, the Supremes would never have been involved.
11
While we are still in the primary stage of this election cycle it is inaccurate to call Bernie Sanders a spoiler. Ralph Nader ran as a third-party candidate in 2000's general election. Bernie is running as a Democrat and providing a much-needed alternative to Hillary's Republican-lite positions on the economy, Wall Street and the minimum wage.
1
We already knew that repubs would cheat and lie to steal an election. And that SCOTUS is also repub controlled and would rubber stamp a repub lie.
The question is who provided that opportunity?
(Hint: We're looking at you, Ralph.)
The question is who provided that opportunity?
(Hint: We're looking at you, Ralph.)
After all these months of watching a once relatively inspiring and seemingly dignified Bernie Sanders grow increasingly sanctimonious, bitter, sarcastic, and defensive -- all while refusing to offer any solid, rational, and fiscally responsible proposals for how he plans to fund his "revolutionary" progressive agenda -- I'm bemused by the Sanders supporters who still see him as some sort of savior miraculously untainted by the bilious and corrupting Washington environment. Sorry, folks, but I'll take a smart, tough, flawed, battle-tested, centrist Dem who wears her ambition on her sleeve over a pseudo-populist finger-wagging scold with a thoroughly underwhelming legislative record any day of the week.
48
Trump gets votes and I have no idea why. I was pleased that Hillary was able to win with a decisive number that puts her even further ahead than him. I had hoped she would pass 2,000 delegates in her adopted home state, but it was a clean win. Bernie doesn't have to drop out but he should stop his tantrum against Hillary and every other elected Democrat. Character comes out when we are winning and when we are losing. In 1988, Hillary was much more gracious toward Barack Obama. One reason given by a congressman last fall, to explain why he had decided to support Hillary was that Bernie acts like everyone else is beneath him morally. Congratulations to Hillary.
36
At least the certitude among Sanders will win the Dem nomination has died down among his supporters for the time being.
11
Bernie would have done better but he proclaimed that Hillary, the most qualified to be POTUS in either party, was not qualified. Women hear that foolishness every day. I can remember my daughter coming home from Kindergarten years ago very annoyed as the boys and her teacher had told her not to play in the block corner. She became a partner in a NYC architecture firm a few years ago. But she and millions of other women have been told they are not qualified again and again when they are the most qualified person in the room, the building, within a 5 mile radius,etc.
31
Yes, as a woman I get that Bernie's comment touched a nerve. However, it was Hillary who raised the "unqualified" idea first.
2
my female high school physics teacher was always ignoring or deriding me, yet I became a (male) scientist. And that proves...?
1
Lest we forget Trump's good deeds:
He humiliated Rubio. Rubio is done with politics
He put a nail in the Bushes' coffins. He also spoke the truth during a Republican debate about W's disastrous wars.
He is finishing off the most dangerous man in politics, Ted Cruz. Then he will deliver the General Election to democrats.
God Bless Donald Trump.
He humiliated Rubio. Rubio is done with politics
He put a nail in the Bushes' coffins. He also spoke the truth during a Republican debate about W's disastrous wars.
He is finishing off the most dangerous man in politics, Ted Cruz. Then he will deliver the General Election to democrats.
God Bless Donald Trump.
20
Scott -- you win Best Comment of the Week.
5
All the while helped in doing so by the racists in the repub party.
God Bless America!!
God Bless America!!
1
Clinton now has a huge lead over Sanders, however Sanders beat the vote count for Trump also meaning Trump has no way to win the run off with the Democrats in the Presidential election. The whole Northeast is going to vote Democratic Trump lost the female vote with respect to his view on improving women who would have abortions if it was made illegal. Gender results show a 72% support for Hillary. Men are divided with minorities clearly in support of Clinton and uneducated Southern white males supporting Trump. Hillary will wine easily.
7
I must admit from personal experience, I have grave doubts about the accuracy of the primary elections in NYC.
In 1988 when I went to vote, I was asked my last name by the poll worker who then gave me the card of woman named Susan with my same last name although I am clearly a man. I resisted the temptation to vote under her name and then return later and vote under my own.
In 2004, I went to my usual polling place and was told that was no longer the place for my district and was sent somewhere else. When I went there, I was told that I should have voted where I originally went but as they agreed that it was no point for me to return there, I was given a provisional ballot. After the election, I received a letter from the board of elections telling me my vote didn't count as I had gone to the wrong polling place and that I should have voted at the correct one which was the one I originally went to. I called up the board to tell them why I had gone to the second place. I was told that it was my tough luck the poll workers had made a mistake.
On another occasion, I wanted to write in a candidate which is my right. However, the voting machines were so old you couldn't gain access to the place to write in a candidate. The poll workers told me I was out of luck.
In 1988 when I went to vote, I was asked my last name by the poll worker who then gave me the card of woman named Susan with my same last name although I am clearly a man. I resisted the temptation to vote under her name and then return later and vote under my own.
In 2004, I went to my usual polling place and was told that was no longer the place for my district and was sent somewhere else. When I went there, I was told that I should have voted where I originally went but as they agreed that it was no point for me to return there, I was given a provisional ballot. After the election, I received a letter from the board of elections telling me my vote didn't count as I had gone to the wrong polling place and that I should have voted at the correct one which was the one I originally went to. I called up the board to tell them why I had gone to the second place. I was told that it was my tough luck the poll workers had made a mistake.
On another occasion, I wanted to write in a candidate which is my right. However, the voting machines were so old you couldn't gain access to the place to write in a candidate. The poll workers told me I was out of luck.
8
Have you ever considered taking a day off and being a poll worker?
5
I have come to severely dislike the media's coverage of this dog and pony show. The narrative is just... predictable. He's up. He's down. Things look bad. Things look good. He takes control of the race again. He losing control of the race. It's just ughhh.
7
New to the process are you?
People who think that getting involved once every 4 years will bring about change need to wake up. The real battle is not Hillary vs Bernie. Its Congress and the Supreme Court. Neither Bernie or Hillary can change anything with the other 2 branches of government stymying everything as they have done with President Obama. If thinking of staying home in November just remember Ralph Nader and the election of W (with his subsequent Supreme Court appointments) Then stay involved, vote and keep voting.
26
The Presidency counts for a great deal, but I agree that we must get busy and see that a working House and Senate are elected as well. It should not be possible for anyone to stop the work of the government. Not only should they not do it, we should make it impossible for them to shut down the government.
And we must continue our fight to keep the separation of Church and State.
And we must continue our fight to keep the separation of Church and State.
7
Most registered Democrats have daytime jobs and family responsibilities in the evening so can't get out to political rallies held during the day or at night, but they usually do find a way to get to the polls on election days.
17
Hey folks, can anyone explain the "closed to Independents" grievance to this Californian. Is it something new, or has it been standard practice for the state of NY?
2
@Jules–The NY state primary rules are not new. A closed primary simply means that you must register as either a democrat or republican to vote in the primary. By the way, CA is the same way. In CA you cannot vote for the democrat or republican candidates if you are registered as an independent.
3
The Democratic Party Establishment controlled by the Clinton Political Machine won easily by depriving Sanders supporters of their right to vote.
That doesn't bode well for Democrats in November. The rise of a third party seems be imminent.
That doesn't bode well for Democrats in November. The rise of a third party seems be imminent.
8
As I watched and listened yesterday to the returns coming in, I could see this election was corrupt and fixed by the Democratic Party Leadership.
Everything done by the Establishment of the Democratic Party to superseded the will of the voters that could be done was done. Only one-third of the people who could vote were allowed to vote in the Democratic Primary. Hundred of thousands of people were not allowed to vote, or had their name taken off the roles. Long lines, reduced hours in Working Class districts. Everything was done to secure the election for Clinton, even though massive numbers of people supported Sanders.
The results are a fraud and a lie. You cannot be a serious and informed person and accept the crime that happened yesterday in New York in the Democratic Presidential Primary.
Everything done by the Establishment of the Democratic Party to superseded the will of the voters that could be done was done. Only one-third of the people who could vote were allowed to vote in the Democratic Primary. Hundred of thousands of people were not allowed to vote, or had their name taken off the roles. Long lines, reduced hours in Working Class districts. Everything was done to secure the election for Clinton, even though massive numbers of people supported Sanders.
The results are a fraud and a lie. You cannot be a serious and informed person and accept the crime that happened yesterday in New York in the Democratic Presidential Primary.
12
One-third? That's pretty atrocious and much worse than I thought... do you have a source for that number?
2
So, Basically, Mr Trump is a talking head?
HIS MESSAGE DEPENDS ON WHOM IS FEEDING IT TO HIM!
When it was Lewandowski, he was a maniac...
Now, that it is Manafort, he is all "Presidential"?
I'm sorry, gang, but this man is NOT Presidential, he is a PUPPET for Manafort, or any other Political manipulator...
Either that or the first part of his campaign was set to garner attention with his loud mouth...
And he shifted to try and seem more reasonable...
In any case, we don't need a POTUS who plays games...
HIS MESSAGE DEPENDS ON WHOM IS FEEDING IT TO HIM!
When it was Lewandowski, he was a maniac...
Now, that it is Manafort, he is all "Presidential"?
I'm sorry, gang, but this man is NOT Presidential, he is a PUPPET for Manafort, or any other Political manipulator...
Either that or the first part of his campaign was set to garner attention with his loud mouth...
And he shifted to try and seem more reasonable...
In any case, we don't need a POTUS who plays games...
4
The results are interesting when they are based on the individual voters. It must seriously trouble the GOP Elites, who want to control the outcome of each election by excluding the individual voter and allowing their hand-picked puppets to be the deciding vote.
4
Mrs Clinton is NOT from New York.
She is a carpetbagger!
She is a carpetbagger!
19
I am sure this comment will make the millions of people who immigrated to New York feel very welcome.
1
@michael
But she is a "carpetbagger" who was elected TWICE to serve as a Senator for our Great State of New York!
Another thing. Mr. Sanders is a carpetbagger too.
But she is a "carpetbagger" who was elected TWICE to serve as a Senator for our Great State of New York!
Another thing. Mr. Sanders is a carpetbagger too.
The print headline on this article says "Trump Landslide" and "Clinton and Sanders in Tight Race." Yet Trump received 60% of the Republican vote and Clinton 57.5% of the Democratic vote, hardly a basis for a "landslide" / "tight race" distinction. No reporting of the fact that Clinton obtained over a million votes, Trump about 500 thousand; she out-polled him 2 to 1, positioning her well to win New York in November. Even the NYTimes suffers the media bias of treating this election like a sporting event and failing to report the facts.
8
From your article: Mr. Trump described the experience of seeing his name on the ballot, saying he was moved by the enormity of what it means.
From Merriam Webster: Related to enormity
Synonyms
atrociousness, atrocity, badness, depravedness, depravity, diabolicalness, evilness, heinousness, hideousness, monstrosity, sinfulness, vileness, wickedness
Works for me.
From Merriam Webster: Related to enormity
Synonyms
atrociousness, atrocity, badness, depravedness, depravity, diabolicalness, evilness, heinousness, hideousness, monstrosity, sinfulness, vileness, wickedness
Works for me.
9
Secretary Clinton was in the situation room when Bin Laden was captured and killed. I frankly can't think of a more qualified candidate for presidency in my voting life of 28 years. I looked up my neighborhood district got count, and I see the totals in the thousands. So, my vote does count after all. I did not give it to a man who decided to finally get onto the national stage in his 70s. Like Clinton, he should have been building his path. I do not want a stooped old man with a loud mouth representing my country. He should have stood up a long time ago.
17
Surprised by the Bernie numbers. Thought he was going to do much better.
11
He did well. Senator Sanders got 80% of the VT vote. Secretary Clinton got only 58% of the NY vote.
1
If Clinton gets the nomination, I pledge to vote for Trump.
8
Of course, that's easy for you to say. You're in FRANCE.
2
I hope you will be happy with that right wing Supreme Court!
Doesn't this election cycle give you greater appreciation for President Obama? The only ray of sanity in the news are small pieces devoted to President's daily effort to make this country work.
6
My favorite John Kasich beat Trump in Manhattan - check details in NYTimes & Wall St Journal - and came in 2nd across NY -- Ok, Ok he got a drubbing & only won 3 to 6 delegates (finals pending) across NY - including a beating in my current home of Staten Island (guess my vote & "Kasich For Us" button did not carry the day) - but my previous home in Manhattan (known as "the city" for many) was validated by those "smart people" aligning with GOP'er Kasich - Ok Ok, it's DEM land in the Presidential. I still hope for a very long-shot nomination of Kasich (on the 3rd or 4th ballot?) in a plausible if not likely "contested" GOP Convention in July. This is all friendly - good luck to all in your respective interests.
3
The map of blue and green...how each neighborhood voted..is very confusing as it quickly resembles water and land and confuses the reader...use other colors next time and don't use green for the whole of NYS, when depicting the location of NYC.
Very confusing graphics.
Very confusing graphics.
4
Easily or Hnadily-- not sure it was so easy for Hillary but of course all her Wall Street buddies and the Jamaican women who love Bill to a woman as well as the nice would-be but aren't really, feminists (who don't want to go to that special place in Hell for women who don't support other women) did vote for her. If anyone had gone to a Bernie rally-- they would have heard that free tuition (not books, not board) was for those who qualify -- very interesting concept now that there is so remedial work being done in college --and that he would shore up Soc SEc. by reinstating the soc. sec tax for people earning more than 250K. Utterly sensible..
But Wall Street and the Times and Paul K got what they wanted..and frankly should ashamed of themselves for writing pieces without actual quote or with some sort of numbers.
I fo one will vote for Trump and pray that Hillary does no real harm-- what war can we now pursue?-- in her only term as president. Still a real fun four years.
But Wall Street and the Times and Paul K got what they wanted..and frankly should ashamed of themselves for writing pieces without actual quote or with some sort of numbers.
I fo one will vote for Trump and pray that Hillary does no real harm-- what war can we now pursue?-- in her only term as president. Still a real fun four years.
12
Yeah, all those "nice would-be but aren't really feminists" who've been members of Democratic party and utilized the Planned Parenthood "establishment" all their lives and who have marched in the streets in for 40 years guaranteeing women's reproductive rights voted for Hillary.
I guess we "nice would-be but aren't really feminists" were just too "distracted" to feel the Bern.
I guess we "nice would-be but aren't really feminists" were just too "distracted" to feel the Bern.
Clinton? I thought New Yorkers were more savvy than that.
14
We are savvy. We also know what's real and what's not (as in 'real' New Yorker).
A lot has been made that about the fact that Clinton is not originally from here, but then again, Mr. Sanders is not originally from Vermont.
A lot has been made that about the fact that Clinton is not originally from here, but then again, Mr. Sanders is not originally from Vermont.
1
No matter who is elected President, he or she can't do anything with our current do-nothing Congress. If a Democrat is elected, then the voters darn sure better elect a Democratic Congress to work with him or her. And if a Republican is elected, God help us all! Good-Bye Social Security, for starters.
6
Ted Cruz's first act in office: executive order awarding concealed carry permits to all unborn fetuses. Stand your womb! \s
Clinton won 136 delegates; Sanders won 106 delegates. It's not over yet.
15
How could I see a 'cause' when I can't see the 'effect'? He performed no worse than polls predicted taken just before his "negative campaigning".
Take a look at the election results for the counties of New York and then across the whole country, county-wise. There's your revolution. Hillary represents machine politics of the Democrats - and the map spells it out. Your points seem only rhetorical - and ironical, since you're trying to lecture Bernie supporters about what it takes to make a revolution.
Take a look at the election results for the counties of New York and then across the whole country, county-wise. There's your revolution. Hillary represents machine politics of the Democrats - and the map spells it out. Your points seem only rhetorical - and ironical, since you're trying to lecture Bernie supporters about what it takes to make a revolution.
7
Why are all the Hillary supporters being so smug about Bernie's loss? Don't they realize that they need Bernie supporters in the general election?
11
We do know it. We are troubled that some of them don't realize that they will need Clinton in November and beyond if they hope to ever see any of Sanders' ideals put into practice.
8
Before Trump gets too giddie - Bernie Sanders got almost 250,000 more votes in New York than he did and Hillary nearly doubled his vote!
6
The win was not "unexpectedly strong". Clinton basically nailed the polling average and landed more or less exactly where she was in 2008: 57.4% vs. 57.9%. I agree it's not good for Sanders though.
However, there is an important difference. In 2008, Clinton carried all of upstate less Tompkins County. In 2016, she lost all of upstate except Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo. The only major city she didn't win was, oddly enough, Albany.
That poses a question: why would a rural or semi-rural upstate New Yorker who voted for Hillary over Obama in 2008 change their mind? Before anyone starts throwing out racism or misogyny, I can assure you there's plenty of both downstate too. Instead, I'd probably suggest the recovery or lack thereof but it still seems strange.
Any other suggestions?
However, there is an important difference. In 2008, Clinton carried all of upstate less Tompkins County. In 2016, she lost all of upstate except Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo. The only major city she didn't win was, oddly enough, Albany.
That poses a question: why would a rural or semi-rural upstate New Yorker who voted for Hillary over Obama in 2008 change their mind? Before anyone starts throwing out racism or misogyny, I can assure you there's plenty of both downstate too. Instead, I'd probably suggest the recovery or lack thereof but it still seems strange.
Any other suggestions?
8
Andy,
Hilary promised Upstate NY 200,00 jobs when she traveled around the state to get their vote for senator.
She got their vote, then abandoned them; no job increase anywhere there.
So it's not racism, it's not misogyny; it's being played for stooges for her own political self-interest.
The Democratic party abandoned the working class years ago.
The Dem Party shall reap what is has sown come November.
Hilary promised Upstate NY 200,00 jobs when she traveled around the state to get their vote for senator.
She got their vote, then abandoned them; no job increase anywhere there.
So it's not racism, it's not misogyny; it's being played for stooges for her own political self-interest.
The Democratic party abandoned the working class years ago.
The Dem Party shall reap what is has sown come November.
2
Thank you for answering. Good point.
It's easy for Trump when the other candidates don't even show up anywhere in the state besides the O'Reilly factor.
One Bernie supporter just asked: "Who are these people voting for HRC?", before concluding: "What a disaster tonight for the democrats [sic]."
I am a New Yorker and I proudly cast my vote Hillary because in this election she is without a doubt the most qualified candidate for POTUS on either side of the aisle and a bona fide Democrat who is the party's best choice to built upon President Obama's historic accomplishments.
The arrogance that anyone in his or her right mind should prefer Bernie to Hillary and that a vote for her is "a disaster for the democrats [sic]", even though in the real world millions more Americans have cast their votes for her than for him, epitomizes the myopia that has so afflicted Sanders' supporters they are unable to see the impossibility of his pie-in-the-sky promise to turn America into a giant Denmark.
I am a New Yorker and I proudly cast my vote Hillary because in this election she is without a doubt the most qualified candidate for POTUS on either side of the aisle and a bona fide Democrat who is the party's best choice to built upon President Obama's historic accomplishments.
The arrogance that anyone in his or her right mind should prefer Bernie to Hillary and that a vote for her is "a disaster for the democrats [sic]", even though in the real world millions more Americans have cast their votes for her than for him, epitomizes the myopia that has so afflicted Sanders' supporters they are unable to see the impossibility of his pie-in-the-sky promise to turn America into a giant Denmark.
22
Dikoma C Shungu - passion is OK in politics. But, Sanders supporters are suffering from the effects of cognitive dissonance as cult type irrational arguments engender very angry denial when disproven by hard reality. We are just seeing that Sanders has to step up his game and be more honest to his supporters that if Hillary wins they will have to work to support her. Weaver and Sanders are already hinting in this direction, but don't want to give up any traction or leverage they think CA and Or can give them.
2
I wouldn't go on to say Mrs. Clinton easily won New York it was a very slim victory. Still not over.
7
This primary was marred by many "irregularities", as are most of Hillary's victories, other than the ones of the old Confederacy. Integrity matters.
16
Karen - the 'irregularities' complained about were in the high density NYC districts where Clinton margins were greatest - so your statement is ridiculous. The upstate communities where Democrats tend to be in a small minority voted more for Sanders because they are generally more leftist - but also ineffective. The state vote went for Clinton by greater than the projections. Unlike Nevada - we practice democracy in our primaries and have a large popular vote.
1
Bernie supporters, take a look at the map showing who one in each county. Almost every county in upstate NY was won by Bernie. Where did HRC win? The counties surrounding NYC and Wall Street. That's not a coincidence.
18
It's "won," otherwise, U r spot on
Hillary's machine goes "Banka-Banka-Banka", and is very good at beating up a little old man from the Green Mountains of Vermont.
Putin's machine will be rolling down the Ural Mountains towards Ukraine, and going "Tanka-Tanka-Tanka".
Let's see who blinks.
Putin's machine will be rolling down the Ural Mountains towards Ukraine, and going "Tanka-Tanka-Tanka".
Let's see who blinks.
7
I'm so happy that HRC won NY State. I was proud to vote for her as my senator in 2000, back when I lived in Brooklyn. I was similarly proud to caucus for her here in Seattle, and I'm looking forward (fingers crossed) to voting for her in November.
13
"He also expressed concern about the closed primary system in New York and said he hoped it would change in the future.".......The comment from Sanders is interesting because almost all of his victories over Clinton have come in caucus states where ordinary voter participation is far more restricted.
13
New York certainly gave the Voter ID Law/Voter Fraud Prevention states a valuable seminar in voter suppression. No need to implement Rube Goldbergian ID gathering hurdles. Just remove voters wholesale from the roles, claim ignorance & let the courts figure it out long after the polls have closed. Well done
10
Primaries and the rules they are set to are run by parties not state boards of election. Caucuses - where Sanders has most excelled, represent only the most vocal 1% of any state where they are held.
1
MSNBC's Chris Matthews gave Trump sharp advice as he said [in comparison to China, Japan, Germany] Penn Station, our airports, public schools, roads, rail system are all tragic. "Remember when we used to build stuff like that?" as Matthews motioned to the Brooklyn Bridge in the background. "It took us only one year to build the Empire State Building during the Depression!"
Matthews went on, "I can ride a 300 mph train in Singapore and my can of Coke on the table doesn't jiggle. If Trump was smart, he'd focus on his construction background when he talks about how great he's going to make this country. Americans want these larger than life projects, they want to be proud of this nation's infrastructure, but — and I hate to say it — the left can't be trusted with the money and the right refuses to fund them.
Even Ms. Maddow added, "Brilliantly put, Chris."
If someone from Trump Tower was listening, that is a winning general campaign.
Matthews went on, "I can ride a 300 mph train in Singapore and my can of Coke on the table doesn't jiggle. If Trump was smart, he'd focus on his construction background when he talks about how great he's going to make this country. Americans want these larger than life projects, they want to be proud of this nation's infrastructure, but — and I hate to say it — the left can't be trusted with the money and the right refuses to fund them.
Even Ms. Maddow added, "Brilliantly put, Chris."
If someone from Trump Tower was listening, that is a winning general campaign.
10
Sorry, but you cannot keep talking about further tax cuts for the rich and at the same time, talk about improving infrastructure, it just does not add up.
3
Except - if you've ever actually looked at the residential units in TT - they are disgusting. Their standard of construction is like public housing. Trump cuts corners and overcharges on falsely engineered square footage measurements - which he gets away with by describing his methodology in the fine print.
1
The GOP would be crazy to fund infrastructure repairs as long as the democrats demand that all such work be done only by "prevailing wage" union members who will then kickback most of their union dues to the democrats.
As a compromise, why not let states with right to work laws use non-union workers for infrastructure work and restrict union members to those states that do not have such laws. That should keep everyone happy.
As a compromise, why not let states with right to work laws use non-union workers for infrastructure work and restrict union members to those states that do not have such laws. That should keep everyone happy.
1
New Yorkers make the Chicago Boys look like League of Women Voter types.
Does yesterday results provide Hillary with a “broad and durable coalition” when independents are shut out of the process?
In Michigan, independents were 28% of primary voters and Sanders won them with 72%. By contrast, New York severely restricts voters from joining the Democratic Primary by making registered voters change their registration 6 months before the election.
Those are the unbiased rules you know.
In New York's primary only 14% of Democratic Primary voters, half as much as Michigan, self-id as independents, and Sanders won them again with 71%.
Hillary won her adopted home state convincingly. White voters were 59% of the total, and Clinton and Sanders split them 50/50. Black voters were 22% of the total (they’ll be 14% in the general) and Clinton won C-75% / S-25%. Latinos favored Clinton with 64% and were 14% of NY voters.
So what does this all mean?
Hillary won her home state, and so did Trump…. In the General Election, New York’s restrictive voting laws won’t be able to keep independent types from voting nationwide – not that many will want to vote. But of course, that’s been the game plan from the start – a Democratic base turnout election.
As they say in Chicago: “We don’t want nobody, that nobody sent.”
Does yesterday results provide Hillary with a “broad and durable coalition” when independents are shut out of the process?
In Michigan, independents were 28% of primary voters and Sanders won them with 72%. By contrast, New York severely restricts voters from joining the Democratic Primary by making registered voters change their registration 6 months before the election.
Those are the unbiased rules you know.
In New York's primary only 14% of Democratic Primary voters, half as much as Michigan, self-id as independents, and Sanders won them again with 71%.
Hillary won her adopted home state convincingly. White voters were 59% of the total, and Clinton and Sanders split them 50/50. Black voters were 22% of the total (they’ll be 14% in the general) and Clinton won C-75% / S-25%. Latinos favored Clinton with 64% and were 14% of NY voters.
So what does this all mean?
Hillary won her home state, and so did Trump…. In the General Election, New York’s restrictive voting laws won’t be able to keep independent types from voting nationwide – not that many will want to vote. But of course, that’s been the game plan from the start – a Democratic base turnout election.
As they say in Chicago: “We don’t want nobody, that nobody sent.”
4
New York's primary rules shouldn't come as a great post facto surprise. Trying to sell that as a conspiracy by Sanders backers while boasting about caucus wins in 12 people states like Wyoming - simply makes the nation grow very tired of Sanders backers. Bernie boasted, ''We're going to win NY big!'' just two days ago. ''It will be a big upset.'' Raising expectations when he knows it will result in anger and disappointment he channels into more $27 contributions is Bernie's con. Losing in winning. Less is More. After the Revolution everything will be better . . . George Orwell would have a yawning fit listening to Sanders.
6
I still have trouble with this line of reasoning. The DNC wants its candidate chosen by (1) people who are going to vote Dem in the general and (2) people who have a stake in the message and direction of the party. It doesn't prevent independents from fielding a candidate. Instead, It's a system specifically designed to reduce the impact of voters who, if they don't get their way, will immediately jump ship and vote Republican or third-party... precisely the threat I'm hearing from many "disenfranchised" independents. Doesn't this sound a lot like the story of the modern GOP, which moved steadily to the Right (and down the tubes) to attract the Tea Partiers? Incidentally, it was the influence of far-Right GOP primary candidates that pushed otherwise center-right Republicans toward greater conservatism, which tanked their chances in the GE.
4
"New Yorkers make the Chicago Boys look like League of Women Voter types."
But only in Chicago do even the dead vote early and often.
But only in Chicago do even the dead vote early and often.
1
Way to go, New York. I fear you just handed the presidency to Trump.
6
JJ - you have been out of work since JEB gave up the ghost. Now that the establishment is sniffing around Trump's family for jobs, I expect to read about how ''Trump is it'' from you soon enough.
2
IMO the Democratic primary was stolen yesterday. I wonder if others think so too?
9
Sanders should run as Borough President of Brooklyn. You deserve him. But, the voters chose Hillary Clinton. Must have been that 'low turnout' or the magical thinking that not registering but voting on Twitter polls matters.
1
You know, winning is winning. In the Olympics, for example, those who come in second do so because they were probably close but not close enough to have more points/less time. Same with voting. Coming close doesn't equal a win. Sanders supporters have to stop insisting that Americans consider it their win every time Clinton comes out ahead on the voting.
8
Does anyone care to address Trump's claim that he can put NY in play in the general election? Hillary had more votes than all the Republicans combined.
8
Trump is a liar and convicted fraudster who has settled countless suits for lying. NY republicans equal about 10% of our population. Trump is lying, and lies all the time. His defense is that he makes up his facts and derives all his information from Twitter.
1
Onen step closer to Bill Clinton's third term.
4
Yep, as steep as it will be, two for the price of one.
Winners are capable, tough and tenacious as Hillary is. She has been viciously and zealously attacked from both Republicans and Bernie's ends and has come through. She's ready for the next leg and look forward to seeing her clobbering Trump.
16
The question now is largely how Sen. Sanders will conduct the rest of the campaign. Some say he should drop out, but he shouldn't -- his message on income inequality and the corrosive effect of money in politics is important. Nor should he follow the advice of his campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, and try to win in the absence of a pledged-delegate majority or popular vote lead by flipping super-delegates. Aside from the improbability of Weaver's strategy succeeding, it would tarnish Sen. Sanders legacy. Sen. Sanders needs to drop the angry, anti-Clinton invective. Continuing it very much longer only helps Trump/Cruz and hurts the nation. Sen. Sanders is a serious guy, so I suspect he will choose nation over ego. He is not a Nader.
As campaign manager, Mr. Weaver appears simply focused on his own career. For him, victory means a big West Wing job, while defeat means a one-way ticket to Palookaville, to quote "On the Waterfront." Look at Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmitt -- after losing the McCain/Obama race they were reduced to TV punditry. Sen. Sanders is, I'm betting, focused on something bigger.
As campaign manager, Mr. Weaver appears simply focused on his own career. For him, victory means a big West Wing job, while defeat means a one-way ticket to Palookaville, to quote "On the Waterfront." Look at Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmitt -- after losing the McCain/Obama race they were reduced to TV punditry. Sen. Sanders is, I'm betting, focused on something bigger.
6
Given the Closed Primary that NY was requiring any independent to affiliate to Democrats if they wanted to vote for Bernie despite the fact that it would have had to be done by October last year BEFORE the first Democratic debate and just 5 months after Bernie Sanders announced his candidacy, this seems a good time to ask DEMOCRATS a very basic question that really has not been asked before but should be something that all would consider very important...Tell me...are you happy with the fact that your party was going to give you a choice of just ONE candidate for the democratic Nomination for President?
Of course with only ONE CANDIDATE that's not a choice at all. Does it not bother Democratic Party members that you basically were going to be TOLD that Clinton was the Candidate and no one else?
Seems not very Democratic at all. In fact, if it were NOT for Bernie entering the race, you would have had NO CHOICE at all. And let's not forget that despite intending to be the ONLY Democratic Candidate for President , Clinton has actually followed Sanders lead on almost EVERY ISSUE and begs the question -If Sanders had not run...what was Clinton actually going to offer in terms of policy and actions?
Ask yourselves honestly what it would have been like if given NO CHOICE and had only Clinton as Democrat Nominee? What would her policies have been without a Bernie Sanders to lead the debate on the issues that have been his and which she has coat tailed herself onto?
Hmm...
Of course with only ONE CANDIDATE that's not a choice at all. Does it not bother Democratic Party members that you basically were going to be TOLD that Clinton was the Candidate and no one else?
Seems not very Democratic at all. In fact, if it were NOT for Bernie entering the race, you would have had NO CHOICE at all. And let's not forget that despite intending to be the ONLY Democratic Candidate for President , Clinton has actually followed Sanders lead on almost EVERY ISSUE and begs the question -If Sanders had not run...what was Clinton actually going to offer in terms of policy and actions?
Ask yourselves honestly what it would have been like if given NO CHOICE and had only Clinton as Democrat Nominee? What would her policies have been without a Bernie Sanders to lead the debate on the issues that have been his and which she has coat tailed herself onto?
Hmm...
7
NY Democrats who vote in every election and work for getting all its candidates elected support the process that defines our primaries. We distrust the judgment of lazy, self-important egoists whose low-self-esteem helps them justify not-registering, or registering as independents in order to bask in being courted by robo-calls and mailers that they can then complain about. It's rather self defining that these Independent voters and Sanders himself - don't take it upon themselves to complain until the race is over and the results are in.
6
Conventional Math 101: HRC currently at 1948 delegates including her super delegates. Needed to win: 2383. Even if California was swept by Bernie (which it won't be!) and he took all 546 of their delegates (which he won't) Clinton is on track to win the convention on the first ballot with 2372-2450 votes. - and that's conceding the western caucuses to Mr. Squackus.
Because Conservative projections for Clinton wins:
CT (Sandy Hook) Clinton: 41
Del. : 15
MD. : 63
PA: 115
RI: 18
Ind: 50
WV: 21
Ken: 39
Virg.Is.: 8
Or (loses but still gets del) 20
PR: 34
projection Clinton will be at 424 + 1948 by California = 2372 (11 short) chances extremely good she will already be north of 2383 by then!
CA - let's hold that aside
NJ: 78
NM: 27
ND: 7
SD: 13
DC: 27
(+ 152 delegates puts Clinton at 2,524 WITHOUT CALIFORNIA)
Let's posit that medicinal weed has California feeling the burn to such an extent that Bernie equals his win in Vermont and captures 86% - 14% of the delegates for Clinton in CA would = 46. This would still place her at 2600 delegates. Even if she gets a loss in CA but racks up a reasonable 43% - she would capture 235 delegates, which would put her at 2788.
This is why when Steve Kornacki can't get Jeff Weaver to engage in a what if game that counts delegates without Weaver just playing the states game as if the Democratic races were 'winner take all.' He knows they're not. He knows it's over. It's all over but the exit deal.
Because Conservative projections for Clinton wins:
CT (Sandy Hook) Clinton: 41
Del. : 15
MD. : 63
PA: 115
RI: 18
Ind: 50
WV: 21
Ken: 39
Virg.Is.: 8
Or (loses but still gets del) 20
PR: 34
projection Clinton will be at 424 + 1948 by California = 2372 (11 short) chances extremely good she will already be north of 2383 by then!
CA - let's hold that aside
NJ: 78
NM: 27
ND: 7
SD: 13
DC: 27
(+ 152 delegates puts Clinton at 2,524 WITHOUT CALIFORNIA)
Let's posit that medicinal weed has California feeling the burn to such an extent that Bernie equals his win in Vermont and captures 86% - 14% of the delegates for Clinton in CA would = 46. This would still place her at 2600 delegates. Even if she gets a loss in CA but racks up a reasonable 43% - she would capture 235 delegates, which would put her at 2788.
This is why when Steve Kornacki can't get Jeff Weaver to engage in a what if game that counts delegates without Weaver just playing the states game as if the Democratic races were 'winner take all.' He knows they're not. He knows it's over. It's all over but the exit deal.
2
Very important and interesting primary election. I expected Governor Kasich and Senator Sanders to do a lot better than they actually did but the others had a decisive home field advantage. So it is looking more and more like Clinton vs. Trump in what will be a watershed election in our history, either swinging to the right or doubling down on the current direction unless Hillary turns out to be the middle way candidate that a lot of people suspect she really is.
1
Interesting. Sanders spent twice as much money in NY than Clinton ($5.5 million!), yet he still lost, by a huge amount! -- and he can't even dismiss Clinton's win in NY like he has many of her past wins by claiming that they were somehow less meaningful because they were Southern states that Democrats don't usually carry in Nov. That's certainly not true of NY. He lost, and lost badly.
Rather than acknowledge that this loss was a game changer, he continues to mislead his supporters about the extent of his loss. He has shown himself, time and time again, to be a sore loser and a hypocrite. If he really cared about the future of the bottom 95 percent of Americans like he claims -- and not merely about satisfying his own ego and bottomless political ambitions -- he would cut out the nasty character attacks and insinuations he has been making against the person who is almost certain to be the Dem. party's nominee so that his words don't help the Republicans win in Nov.
Moreover, his campaign manager was just on MSNBC stating that even if Hillary has both more popular votes and more pledged votes than he has after the last primary, he still won't drop out, but will fight to the bitter end. He should do what Hillary did in 2008 for Obama and concede his loss and actively work to help get the presumptive nominee of his party elected. But maybe he would rather see a Republican president than give up his moment as a rock star.
Rather than acknowledge that this loss was a game changer, he continues to mislead his supporters about the extent of his loss. He has shown himself, time and time again, to be a sore loser and a hypocrite. If he really cared about the future of the bottom 95 percent of Americans like he claims -- and not merely about satisfying his own ego and bottomless political ambitions -- he would cut out the nasty character attacks and insinuations he has been making against the person who is almost certain to be the Dem. party's nominee so that his words don't help the Republicans win in Nov.
Moreover, his campaign manager was just on MSNBC stating that even if Hillary has both more popular votes and more pledged votes than he has after the last primary, he still won't drop out, but will fight to the bitter end. He should do what Hillary did in 2008 for Obama and concede his loss and actively work to help get the presumptive nominee of his party elected. But maybe he would rather see a Republican president than give up his moment as a rock star.
13
The difference is where Bernie got his money and from who.
Sanders is good at spending those "$27" contributions like a drunken PAC funded neo-con or Koch Bros on negative and nasty ads. His grace in losing is only matched by his reticence to release his last 10 years of taxes. What is he hiding? Late filing? Multiple IRS settlements with penalties? Voters have a right to know about this from Sanders- just as much as they have a right to reject Trump's lie that he can't release his taxes, 'because he's under audit.' That's also a baldfaced lie. Any taxpayer can be audited seven years from when they file. So by that excuse every candidate can lay claim to not disclosing their taxes publicly because, ''they may be audited." According to the IRS Trump is not under an audit. Some of his businesses are. Trump is a liar. Like Ted. The nastiest voices in this campaign are Sanders and Trump - history has taught me that this type of mud slinger is usually guilty of the crimes they accuse other of. Nixon, Joe McCarthy, Roy Cohen, Spriro Agnew - all tax cheats. Our hunch is the same will show to be the case with Trump and Sanders.
3
Spending on negative attack ads is the end result tho.
1
For the Democrats at least, we've reached what should be the end of the beginning -- Hillary will be the candidate and the party would do well to stop running the race for the nomination and start (really start) running for the White House.
Bernie Sanders has made an invaluable contribution. He has given eloquent voice to some seemingly 'out-of-the-box' policy initiatives. He has caught the imagination of the next generation. Hillary Clinton and her team would do the nation a big favor by sitting down with Sanders and his team and going forward into the election and the subsequent governance with policies and positions that represent the best of both their efforts, that bridge the generation gap as well as the differences in approach to fundamental problems.
In addition to sending the nation a strong message about unity, it would assure that nothing good was ignored just because it was the other guy's initiative or not invented here.
Bernie Sanders has made an invaluable contribution. He has given eloquent voice to some seemingly 'out-of-the-box' policy initiatives. He has caught the imagination of the next generation. Hillary Clinton and her team would do the nation a big favor by sitting down with Sanders and his team and going forward into the election and the subsequent governance with policies and positions that represent the best of both their efforts, that bridge the generation gap as well as the differences in approach to fundamental problems.
In addition to sending the nation a strong message about unity, it would assure that nothing good was ignored just because it was the other guy's initiative or not invented here.
9
Now Mr. Trump, perhaps the worst demagogue in several generations to run for the presidency, must be considered as a possibility to win the highest office in the land. His victory is less the result of national anger as it is the result of exaggerated press coverage and the convergence of entertainment of a cheap kind with the failure of Republican leadership in Congress to achieve anything. Mr. Trump has been blaming about failures which are really those of the republican Congress not of liberal values.
7
Sen Sanders complains about New York being a "closed" primary because independents could not vote for him. I consider myself as an intellectual independent but politically, I have chosen to register as a democrat since Nixon took over with his southern strategy.
I wold like to remind Sanders and his ardent followers that Hilllary and he are contesting for the Democratic nomination. We who identify ourselves as Democrats, not the "convenient occasional may-b" democrats have right to choose whom we want to represent. Others can choose when it is convenient for them. Even Sanders himself is not a commiitted democrat. He should start campaigning to register his "independent" followers to become identified democrats, including himslef and then lecture us about reforming the the primary system. And he needs to start with hiself first. He is a "convenient" democrat.Are you or are you not a democrat?
I wold like to remind Sanders and his ardent followers that Hilllary and he are contesting for the Democratic nomination. We who identify ourselves as Democrats, not the "convenient occasional may-b" democrats have right to choose whom we want to represent. Others can choose when it is convenient for them. Even Sanders himself is not a commiitted democrat. He should start campaigning to register his "independent" followers to become identified democrats, including himslef and then lecture us about reforming the the primary system. And he needs to start with hiself first. He is a "convenient" democrat.Are you or are you not a democrat?
13
This kind of campaigning, with focuses on financial investments and infantile behavior isn't what my father, who considered himself a ballot 'big-box' republican would have wanted his children to create. This isn't why he served in a wwII tank batallion. This isn't why my uncle Jim's feet got severely frostbitten on a big push through Europe in order to, if not defeat, at least limit for the sake of a majority, the nasty behavior of a few.
This year's executive branch election will either move us in the direction of decency, fairness, and a more open and therefore stable experiment or possibly set us back more than a century in terms of social structure and stability. Let's be mindful of what that generation wanted us to be albe to take as granted.
This year's executive branch election will either move us in the direction of decency, fairness, and a more open and therefore stable experiment or possibly set us back more than a century in terms of social structure and stability. Let's be mindful of what that generation wanted us to be albe to take as granted.
2
Trump "presidential"? "Focused"? You've got to be kidding. This is the guy who wants to build a wall, ban all Muslims, start trade wars, bomb Syria into oblivion. An insult to women, hispanics, people of color, and anyone with a brain. How in god's name could you publish such nonnsense???
6
The negativity displayed in this comment section is sickening. The majority of Bernie supporters would support Hillary in the general election so the attacks against Bernie and his supporters need to stop. Hillary needs the independents in NY who weren't able to vote on Tuesday, along with the 42% that were able to vote for Sanders. Clinton supporters need to think long and hard about how they want to unite the Democratic Party, and the trashing throughout this comment section is off to a bad start.
6
A great victory for Donald Trump and Cruz got shut out. I guess New Yorkers did not care for Cruz Values. The margin of victory was especially good for Trump. I hope that puts him on a glide path to the nomination.
It is sad that there was so much voter confusion and possible disenfranchisement in Brooklyn. I hope the city will investigate that. You would think that a city this big and rich could run and election without having so many problems.
It is sad that there was so much voter confusion and possible disenfranchisement in Brooklyn. I hope the city will investigate that. You would think that a city this big and rich could run and election without having so many problems.
4
We should be sad that Sanders didn't beat Clinton. She is part of the 1%. She knows it and flaunts it. But, at least Sanders' continued presence throughout the summer will continue the drumbeat of exposing the attempt by the oligarchy to keep things the way that they are.
We should be happy that Trump won so big, and Cruz failed completely. Anything that might stifle the decades-long far right control over the Republican Party has to be viewed as a win for decent Americans. Think about having Cruz as president. Notice when he speaks, he says something, pauses and waits. The wait is for an Amen. Like father, like son.
We should be happy that Trump won so big, and Cruz failed completely. Anything that might stifle the decades-long far right control over the Republican Party has to be viewed as a win for decent Americans. Think about having Cruz as president. Notice when he speaks, he says something, pauses and waits. The wait is for an Amen. Like father, like son.
3
It appears more and more likely that Trump will be the GOP registered voters choice for their nominee. That is great. It is about time we had someone who has never held political office run for President. It has been known for the past 7 years that Hillary Clinton would follow Obama on the Democrat ticket and she will unless she is charged by the FBI. If the FBI brings charges and the DOJ doesn't indict she will still be on the Democrat ticket, but unless voters have lost their minds, which is not unusual, she will lose to Trump.
5
What exactly was Hilary's victory. Bernie Sanders won more than 754,000 votes--more than all the Republicans combined. Twenty-seven per cent of all eligible voters couldn't vote, because of irregularities. Voter suppression, and election fraud is currently be investigated. No Independents could vote. Those who did, had to register 8 months in advance. Others who were registered democrats, mysteriously lost their affiliation, and could not vote. If you can't win honestly, why NOT cheat. New York's election process is a disgrace.
6
It is the height of recklessness to accuse HRC of an election conspiracy worse than Nixon. Sadly, it is expected and is par for the course.
The New York voting results should also cause people to temper their ad hominem attacks on the New York Times. The role of media is to not get swept up in hype and rely upon facts and data. The voting results underscore the rigor of their coverage despite accusations of bias. (Of course unless it was NYT bias A HRC suppression conspiracy that led to the win)
The New York voting results should also cause people to temper their ad hominem attacks on the New York Times. The role of media is to not get swept up in hype and rely upon facts and data. The voting results underscore the rigor of their coverage despite accusations of bias. (Of course unless it was NYT bias A HRC suppression conspiracy that led to the win)
2
To heck with Bernie. Time for him to quit the race and go back to being an Independent. Unless he wants to do what Nader did to Gore, and to the country.
7
Let's hope that PA continues what NY started: Crushing Cruz again.
4
Well the Dems decided that they liked stagnancy and status quo....another Clinton Presidency makes me ill.
HRC will change nothing, another 8 years of Obama, swell, more boots on the ground, more tax breaks for the wealthy (herself included) and no campaign reform. Thanks to all who voted for this woman. At least she had the courtesy not to lie and use a tired old phrase of hope and change. More like gloom and doom.
HRC will change nothing, another 8 years of Obama, swell, more boots on the ground, more tax breaks for the wealthy (herself included) and no campaign reform. Thanks to all who voted for this woman. At least she had the courtesy not to lie and use a tired old phrase of hope and change. More like gloom and doom.
3
It is gratifying to see that this comments section finally reflects the will of the Democratic electorate of New York and the nation, rather than the increasing negativity and vituperation of Bernie's supporters, many of whom I had previously thought I admired. Hillary won by a margin better than that predicted by the polls, which is to say by a very substantial margin. Bernie can stay in or drop out, as he chooses, but I hope he will then have the decency to campaign vigorously for the first woman president of the United States. And, of course, I hope his disappointed supporters finally come to understand what's at stake should she lose.
12
If Hillary Clinton wants the vote of Bernies supporters, she will have to earn it and integrate a number of important policy issues in to her platform. The status quo and lack of commitment will be unacceptable. If she loses in the Presidential election, it will be strictly of her own making.
I, for one, am not disheartened that Clinton won the NY primary. What I find heartening is that 42% of the Democratic Party in NY still believes in Bernie. Those of you in this comment section who are gloating over this win for your candidate might want to take pause and reflect on that.
Bernie, please do not give up. 42% of Democrats, and millions of progressive independents need you to remind Hillary and the Democratic establishment that we still exist when she predictably triangulates right to battle Donald Trump.
Bernie, please do not give up. 42% of Democrats, and millions of progressive independents need you to remind Hillary and the Democratic establishment that we still exist when she predictably triangulates right to battle Donald Trump.
10
In the state where Sanders is Senator he got 80% of the vote. In the state where Clinton was senator she got 58% of the vote.
9
Yes, Sander won Vermont, where he's the current senator. And a major state it is. Vermont has 625,741 mostly white inhabitants, 49th (only Wyoming has fewer, also very white). New York has a mere 19,378,102 (3rd) followed by Florida with 18,801,310, both ethnically diverse states where Clinton crushed Sanders in the popular vote. Let's get some perspective here.
4
As long as Cruz and Trump lose, I'll be happy in November
3
Well that is the end of Sanders and Hillary continues to pander. Independents should be allowed to vote in these primaries and delegates should not be allowed to be stolen such as the Cruz maneuver. And states all differ as some take delegates and some split them. The system needs reform. It is outdated.
1
It must seem like the sky is falling for the GOP. If they think that they can pull out the rule book and take the nomination away from Trump and some how give it to Cruz in a brokered convention, they should think again. It's apparent now that Trump will be the Republican nominee. The Republicans created Trump, now they are stuck with him. Time to pay the piper.
3
It was good to see a less boisterous Donald Trump last evening. He should go on to next week's contests and win handily. Ted Cruz was exposed for what he is. That is a Deep South and rural West/Midwest candidate with little traction among Independents. What is also interesting is the ongoing breach in the Latino population between the Cubans and the rest. The former, at least in the older generation, remains Republican while the younger generation tends to vote Democratic.
2
Brooklyn did great!! Trump is what's going to get New York and America great!!
1
Bernie's almost adolescent excitement about being invited to Rome clinched it for many. Leaving NY for two days in a fancy plane, and then claiming a Pope meeting (when it was just a handshake) using $27 donations from his young fans is either 1) a crass play for the catholic vote or 2) not very Presidential at best.
7
Trump may have won the Republican primary, but he came in third behind Hillary and Bernie in total votes. I can live with that.
3
Whenever I experience HRC I cringe in the way I cringed with George W, and before that Reagan - Richard Nixon. T
Bill Clinton and Obama were tepid - one selling out to the highest bidder, the other not as advertised.
I have been disappointed before and will be again.
Because of my age i was hoping to see a real democrat in the white house at least once.
New York is a let down.
Bill Clinton and Obama were tepid - one selling out to the highest bidder, the other not as advertised.
I have been disappointed before and will be again.
Because of my age i was hoping to see a real democrat in the white house at least once.
New York is a let down.
6
Once again the NYT, like most of the media, features Trump prominently with a video and top billing in this piece, while diminishing Hillary Clinton to second fiddle. I've heard it said that Trump sells, which is the reason for his media dominance. Quite apparently The Times considers its audience to be subject to "Trump-appeal." Give us more credit than that.
3
Until Bernie Sanders can offer a decent speech on how he will tackle climate change he will not get my vote. Also in analyzing the way he tallks I do wonder sometimes about the soundness of his thinking at 74 years of age. Often he seems to just ignore stuff or have no comment unless it suits his very narrow cache of issues. Hardly makes me see him as leader of the best country in the world.
While his ideas are all awesome, his silence on many issues is hardly inspiring.
While his ideas are all awesome, his silence on many issues is hardly inspiring.
14
So if you fail to vote in two successive Federal elections you're name is taken off the roll? And tell me again how having to produce a drivers license to go to the ballot box is voter suppression?
2
I am disappointed that Bernie didn't come much closer in this race. But when I look at the map of the distribution of votes on p. 1 of the NYT, I don't see the "heavy rejectin" of Samders that some have referred to. I see a heavily green (Bernie) state, with patches of blue around each of the large cities for Hillary, indicating a strong, if minority, constituency. Surely this level of support for a strongly progressive camdidate at the presidential level means something other than the sentiment I am hearing over and over that "Bernie is a spoiler who is hurting the 'real' candidate and should get out of the race."
It seems to me a legitimate problem that independents lack a mechanism for voice in the nominee, and it's also legitimate that a defined party has a right to protect its platform. But the Democratic Party has always claimed a "big tent" and has depended on coalition building within and outside of the party. If we want to avoid the development of a strong third party, which could certainly happen with the more socially liberal and economically struggling younger population, not to mention struggling workers and elderly groups, we need to find ways to give those constituencies more voice in the nomination stage. If our intent is just to bring outliers in to vote for the presumed candidate, rather than create a space for party growth and a true negotiated platform, people may decide the "stability" of a two party system is becoming a quagmire.
It seems to me a legitimate problem that independents lack a mechanism for voice in the nominee, and it's also legitimate that a defined party has a right to protect its platform. But the Democratic Party has always claimed a "big tent" and has depended on coalition building within and outside of the party. If we want to avoid the development of a strong third party, which could certainly happen with the more socially liberal and economically struggling younger population, not to mention struggling workers and elderly groups, we need to find ways to give those constituencies more voice in the nomination stage. If our intent is just to bring outliers in to vote for the presumed candidate, rather than create a space for party growth and a true negotiated platform, people may decide the "stability" of a two party system is becoming a quagmire.
6
Bernie lost any credibility (and it was very little) when he decided to go the attack route. I hope he has a shred of common propriety and stops the negativity. There are people (mostly men) who will use his attacks as an excuse to vote for Donald Duck Drumpf. Bernie should know that DDD would have him deported during his presidency!
8
Wall Street is celebrating! Hillary and Bill are celebrating! I feel sick to my stomach!
5
Interesting that Manhattan,the one section of New York State that really knows Donald Trump, voted overwhelmingly for John Kasich. The rest of the state only knows Trump as a reality TV star and from his false promises touted in the media but the voters who have had experience of being shafted by Donald Trump voted overwhelmingly against him.
3
I will vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party no matter who they are.
With all the irregularities in the votes across the country we need a full scale investigation into those irregularities the general election can and will be compromised if we don't. There is no way 120,000 people in Brooklyn and those near the NY and Vermont boarder that there isn't any funny business going on.
With all the irregularities in the votes across the country we need a full scale investigation into those irregularities the general election can and will be compromised if we don't. There is no way 120,000 people in Brooklyn and those near the NY and Vermont boarder that there isn't any funny business going on.
1
It it is interesting that Mr. Sanders appears to have won upstate New York ,very similar to what happened to Ms. Teachout when she ran against Governor Cuomo. Independents clearly support his campaign but did not take the time to register before the primary. As a registered Democrat, I still cannot support Mrs. Clinton. I will write in a candidate if she gets the nod. On the Republican side, this election is nothing short of laughable. On CNN last night, I noticed that Carl Paladino was right behind Mr. Trump ,as he gave his victory comments. All New Yorkers understand what the symbolism of that picture represents. I cannot wait for this election cycle to be over. This reflects our Country at its worst. If these candidates represent the best we have to offer, I fear for my grandchildren.
9
New Yorkers fell absolutely in line. No news here, except that they are establishment to the core.
5
On that picture looks like Donald was surrounded by zombies.
4
This can't be considered an actual election. Please. Voters purged from the rolls. People's affiliation being changed without their knowledge. Onerous hurdles to voting. This was an election in name only.
1
Is it possible that those who rail against voter suppression are the ones who are dong the suppressing? The Democratic stalwarts immediately covered it up.
What kind of government are we getting?
What kind of government are we getting?
Finally, just maybe, Lyin' Ted will realize that the general populace simply despise him. Given the fact Ted's own republican colleagues hat him, what does moderate American's think of Ted? The people have spoken and it is clear that Lyin' Ted is despicable.
4
I've said it before but this victory underscores it. Hillary has so much more support than people realize; we're just not as vocal about it given her loss 8 years ago to Obama. It's a quiet resolve and hopefulness. When she wins the Democratic nomination, then we'll see the jubilation and "Sanders-size" crowds! GO HILLARY!
9
Watching the Republicans nominate Trump is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Most everyone knows it's coming, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.
3
Watching the Democrats nominate Clinton is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Most everyone knows it's coming, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.
Sure is.
Sure is.
Look at the Times map of how each county in NY voted in the Democratic primary. Yes, Hillary won big but only in 13 of 62 counties. She won in the most ethnically diverse counties downstate and the few such counties upstate.
In terms of the lower to middle class generally pro gun, "white" vote that you often find upstate, Bernie won by a landslide. I'm no fan of Comrade Sanders but it seems as if there's a much bigger story going on here and it doesn't necessarily bode well for Mrs. Clinton in the general election.
In terms of the lower to middle class generally pro gun, "white" vote that you often find upstate, Bernie won by a landslide. I'm no fan of Comrade Sanders but it seems as if there's a much bigger story going on here and it doesn't necessarily bode well for Mrs. Clinton in the general election.
2
I'm sad to see Bernie not do better in New York, but the distribution of counties is telling. I'm looking forward to seeing the Western states' results.
This article ignores the insidious voting trick that skewed the Democratic primary: six months ago, very few people had heard of Bernie Sanders, let alone imagined they would embrace his message of transformative change.
But that was how far back the New York Democratic machine closed the door to new voter registration.
As a matter of course, a candidate like Sanders brings out new voters who otherwise have soured on the status quo, along with independents—the very groups denied a voice in yesterday's key primary, and who would surely have changed the result.
In essence, the New York Democratic establishment is saying that every voter should have known *prior to the campaign beginning* how they would feel come April 19, 2016—that is, these voters were expected to be clairvoyant and divine in advance what the candidates would convey as the campaign unfolded, before the speeches, debates, campaign statements, emails, news show interviews, and all the rest.
So while many of mistakenly believe that the Democratic machine views us all as complete chumps, we actually have it backwards: they instead ascribe to us magical fortune-telling powers, and believe we can divine the future six months in advance.
Frankly, we should all feel flattered by this awesome regard for our collective prescience. It is one of the many reasons why the party leadership is held in such high esteem.
@ricfouad
But that was how far back the New York Democratic machine closed the door to new voter registration.
As a matter of course, a candidate like Sanders brings out new voters who otherwise have soured on the status quo, along with independents—the very groups denied a voice in yesterday's key primary, and who would surely have changed the result.
In essence, the New York Democratic establishment is saying that every voter should have known *prior to the campaign beginning* how they would feel come April 19, 2016—that is, these voters were expected to be clairvoyant and divine in advance what the candidates would convey as the campaign unfolded, before the speeches, debates, campaign statements, emails, news show interviews, and all the rest.
So while many of mistakenly believe that the Democratic machine views us all as complete chumps, we actually have it backwards: they instead ascribe to us magical fortune-telling powers, and believe we can divine the future six months in advance.
Frankly, we should all feel flattered by this awesome regard for our collective prescience. It is one of the many reasons why the party leadership is held in such high esteem.
@ricfouad
2
Clinton is alphebetically before trump. Why does the Times always insist on his name first, and Repub results displayed as the default?
It is time to start really exposing the truth about the stubby fingered vulgarian. We have never had a less qualified person with such delusions of grandeur that they thought themselves presidential material with zero prerequisites.
Your class president in high school had more experience in elected office than trump. He cannot manange to tell the truth for more than three consecutive words, he is so "detail" oriented that his own jet was ordered to stop flying because it is not legally registered. He confuses convenience stores with national tragedies, and imagines scary funny sounding people behind every corner.
Add to his incompletence in things related to the job hos arrogance, ignorance, bigotry, racism, neofascist incitemnt to mob violence, his mocking of women, the disabled, military Veterans......his thin skinned childishness when he is called out.
Time to rally behind Hillary. The only adult left in the race.
It is time to start really exposing the truth about the stubby fingered vulgarian. We have never had a less qualified person with such delusions of grandeur that they thought themselves presidential material with zero prerequisites.
Your class president in high school had more experience in elected office than trump. He cannot manange to tell the truth for more than three consecutive words, he is so "detail" oriented that his own jet was ordered to stop flying because it is not legally registered. He confuses convenience stores with national tragedies, and imagines scary funny sounding people behind every corner.
Add to his incompletence in things related to the job hos arrogance, ignorance, bigotry, racism, neofascist incitemnt to mob violence, his mocking of women, the disabled, military Veterans......his thin skinned childishness when he is called out.
Time to rally behind Hillary. The only adult left in the race.
2
I would guess that the late movement towards Clinton was due to the Sander's campaign going negative. There is a lot at stake this election, and attacking the democratic front-runner also helps Trump. That is not something that I can easily forgive.
Sanders should know better. If he wants to win that badly, then he clearly cares more about himself than the country.
Sanders should know better. If he wants to win that badly, then he clearly cares more about himself than the country.
4
Let's put Hillary's HOME State victory in perspective,
In NY Hillary got 57.9% of the vote, and 42.1% of her HOME State voted AGAINST Hillary.
In Vermont Bernie Sanders got 86.1% of the vote and only 13.6% of his home Stater voted against him.
Hillary is breathing a sigh of relief because she won in a relative squeaker, in a race which should have been a blowout! She and her supporters fail to realize the depths of the Ice Queen's flaws.
In NY Hillary got 57.9% of the vote, and 42.1% of her HOME State voted AGAINST Hillary.
In Vermont Bernie Sanders got 86.1% of the vote and only 13.6% of his home Stater voted against him.
Hillary is breathing a sigh of relief because she won in a relative squeaker, in a race which should have been a blowout! She and her supporters fail to realize the depths of the Ice Queen's flaws.
3
As the Clinton minions crow about their victory, they rail against Bernie Sanders for his 'vicious personal attacks'- blaming these for his loss. While they classify Sanders laundry list of reasons to deny Hillary the nomination as 'vicious attacks', a huge number of folks who will be going to the polls in November simply see them as facts. Vicious personal attacks? If you can't take what Bernie is saying just wait until the real campaign starts.
7
Yes, Clinton won easily.
Once the Democratic Party excluded 3 million Independent voters in New York State (out of 10.7 million registered voters) from voting in the primary, voters similar to those who have overwhelmingly favored Sanders in open primaries in other states, winning the NY primary was a breeze.
Too bad Clinton cannot prevent Independents from voting in the general election in November. Or not voting in November, when she wants them to.
Getting a 16% "victory" spread in a closed primary is not such a great performance, when 28% of the electorate (Independents) are precluded. More than 4 in 10 of Clinton's own party members in NY voted against Clinton, months into the campaign. No doubt many Democrats will vote "against" Trump, Cruz, or any Republican, in November. But voting "against" a candidate is not as motivating or inspiring as being able to vote "for" a candidate.
Clinton should keep in mind that in November, she will not get to choose who votes and who doesn't vote. Only Republicans get to do that.
Once the Democratic Party excluded 3 million Independent voters in New York State (out of 10.7 million registered voters) from voting in the primary, voters similar to those who have overwhelmingly favored Sanders in open primaries in other states, winning the NY primary was a breeze.
Too bad Clinton cannot prevent Independents from voting in the general election in November. Or not voting in November, when she wants them to.
Getting a 16% "victory" spread in a closed primary is not such a great performance, when 28% of the electorate (Independents) are precluded. More than 4 in 10 of Clinton's own party members in NY voted against Clinton, months into the campaign. No doubt many Democrats will vote "against" Trump, Cruz, or any Republican, in November. But voting "against" a candidate is not as motivating or inspiring as being able to vote "for" a candidate.
Clinton should keep in mind that in November, she will not get to choose who votes and who doesn't vote. Only Republicans get to do that.
6
"Too bad Clinton cannot prevent Independents from voting in the general election in November"....The majority of independents favor centrist politics. Sanders is significantly to the left of Clinton. Clinton would run better in a general election than Sanders and by a wide margin.
2
Independents are no more centrist than other voters. The Independents leaning Republican are voting 2:1 for Sanders over Clinton in primaries they have been permitted to vote it.
I don't know where you get your figures, or if you even have any to reference. Sanders polls stronger than Clinton against any Republican. How does that square with your assertions? It doesn't.
I don't know where you get your figures, or if you even have any to reference. Sanders polls stronger than Clinton against any Republican. How does that square with your assertions? It doesn't.
1
Hillary's widely disliked/distrusted, dragging baggage, under FBI investigation.
Her coalition of African Americans, older women, LGBT, & neoliberals leaves on the table:
1) white men 2) working class 3) under 30 4) the poor 5) progressives 6) independents.
It's Bernie, not Hillary, who excited these voters - many also Trump's demographic.
Hillary gets black support but they're only 11% of the population! She can't mobilize them like Obama did.
Focusing on tiny pie slivers - older women, LGBT, African Americans, affluent neoliberals - Hillary abandons huge voting blocks to Trump - men, whites, working class, independents.
42% of this country is independent vs. 29% Democrats, 26% Republicans. Democrats are abandoning independents.
We were set up by DNC cherry-picking 'politically correct' demographics like the 'Deep South' that aren't relevant in the general election.
Hillary's not liked or trusted by 60% of voters. 58% say they won't vote for her. Nominating her is a trainwreck.
She's a 25 yr GOP pinata. Trump's winning partly because he's vowed to take the gloves off against her.
The DNC & media ignored or vilified Bernie.
This is a change election but Democrats are saddled with a tired, widely-distrusted, uninspiring machine candidate - corrupt, scandal plagued, bleeding ethical problems.
Trump will energize voters once called "Reagan Democrats."
Democrats are throwing this election away.
Tonight's the night that assured Trump wins the presidency.
Her coalition of African Americans, older women, LGBT, & neoliberals leaves on the table:
1) white men 2) working class 3) under 30 4) the poor 5) progressives 6) independents.
It's Bernie, not Hillary, who excited these voters - many also Trump's demographic.
Hillary gets black support but they're only 11% of the population! She can't mobilize them like Obama did.
Focusing on tiny pie slivers - older women, LGBT, African Americans, affluent neoliberals - Hillary abandons huge voting blocks to Trump - men, whites, working class, independents.
42% of this country is independent vs. 29% Democrats, 26% Republicans. Democrats are abandoning independents.
We were set up by DNC cherry-picking 'politically correct' demographics like the 'Deep South' that aren't relevant in the general election.
Hillary's not liked or trusted by 60% of voters. 58% say they won't vote for her. Nominating her is a trainwreck.
She's a 25 yr GOP pinata. Trump's winning partly because he's vowed to take the gloves off against her.
The DNC & media ignored or vilified Bernie.
This is a change election but Democrats are saddled with a tired, widely-distrusted, uninspiring machine candidate - corrupt, scandal plagued, bleeding ethical problems.
Trump will energize voters once called "Reagan Democrats."
Democrats are throwing this election away.
Tonight's the night that assured Trump wins the presidency.
3
The promise of full equality and bodily autonomy for a majority of the voters should make Hillary a sure winner, but people are easily distracted by false accusations.
1
She's a bona fide Democrat sorry but you must face facts, and this indie voter will NOT be voting for her.
Trump will have a very hard time trying to campaign against Hillary Clinton. He doesn't like strong women being smarter than him, and she is both. It is unlikely that she would confuse 9-11 with 7/11 and people will want to see his taxes and his actual plans that he could discuss in detail. That won't happen. We are at an historic moment in time, our First woman President is about to be elected. Join history and support her.
This Bernie supporter is constantly amazed at how many of my fellow Bernie fans beleive a political party, which is created by private citizens, not by any public or government must allow independents or, as in some states, members of another party to vote in its internal candidate selection process.
These parties are selecting their candidates to run for office. Declared party members are the only ones who should be involved. If you feel you must have the right to vote in the primary, declare to be a member of that party, in accordance with state registration requirements no matter how screwy or suppresive they may be. Or wait to vote in the general election, which is your right and more importantly your obligation.
One improvement might be for states to allow for an "Independent Primary" where all names of all declared candidates of any party or independent status are on the samr ballot open to registerred voters who are independents. At the end of the GOP & DEMS primary season total all participating state results and if the winner os not a party nominee already, he may chose to run in November.
These parties are selecting their candidates to run for office. Declared party members are the only ones who should be involved. If you feel you must have the right to vote in the primary, declare to be a member of that party, in accordance with state registration requirements no matter how screwy or suppresive they may be. Or wait to vote in the general election, which is your right and more importantly your obligation.
One improvement might be for states to allow for an "Independent Primary" where all names of all declared candidates of any party or independent status are on the samr ballot open to registerred voters who are independents. At the end of the GOP & DEMS primary season total all participating state results and if the winner os not a party nominee already, he may chose to run in November.
11
As a Bernie supporter and activist from the start, I'm beyond disappointed in the voters of New York. I will never cast a vote for HRC and will sit out the election in Pennsylvania.
9
Trump supporters thank you!
I hope you'll consider voting for Trump instead of sitting out the election - he and Sanders share many qualities, including a lack of depth.
Enjoy President Trump.
Every national poll shows Sanders beating Trump by more substantial margins than Clinton.
So naturally, the Democrats take one step closer to picking Clinton.
We can always trust the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
So naturally, the Democrats take one step closer to picking Clinton.
We can always trust the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
8
If the RNC got their hands on Bernie those poll numbers would change real fast. Look at the dirt they keep digging up on Clinton (which they can never make stick in an actual court or hearing, except with Bernie supporters). Bernie has all kinds of skeletons. And if they run out of those, they'll just make them up like they do with Clinton. If you think the RNC can't do that to saint Bernie, read up on the "swift Boating" of John Kerry.
How very Sanders like of you....grow up ..you don't give a damm about the country, only that you didn't get your way.
Up to 3 million independents were not allowed to vote because of the arcane registration laws in New York. ( and really the laws of almost every state ). 100,000 people were turned away or accounted funny business in Brooklyn and a few other places. Hillary would have probably won anyway, but many of those independents would have voted for Bernie. What a sham... And in New York City no less. The cosmopolitan capitol of the world. What an embarrassment .... When I think of all the blood that has been shed, and people like my father who fought for the right to vote and the freedom to do so, it really makes me sick. More and more I say to myself why bother. And that is so very sad.
8
This was a Democratic primary. You have to be a declared Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary.
1
So are you saying that every state is working against Bernie? Conspiracy theories are alive and well in the Sanders camp this morning....
In terms of sheer vote count, the approximately 125,000 NYC voters who were mysteriously disenfranchised would have made a huge difference. I smell a Chicago-born rat.
It is a little intriguing that the Senator who does not claim to be a Democrat but an Independent believes this to be an unfair category for voters. One chooses this designation for a reason. That there are sometimes consequences for this independence didn't seem to occur to many. Pennsylvania has the same rule. No independent can vote for Bernie next Tuesday, nor can a registered Republican.
7
One more reason the two party system has to go...
May the gratuitous attacks on Hilary Clinton's character finally end and may Bernie do the right think and work to unify and strengthen the party for the presidential election.
7
One has to wonder if/when she becomes President will she still have a private server in her home? Her judgment is lacking.
What a shame the disenfranchised independent voters' preferences are not reflected in the totals. It makes the entire election process a SHAM. No one can trumpet a "win" when it lacks the legitimacy of including all the voters who wanted to participate. Isn't that the core of our democracy? Why do both parties work so hard to disenfranchise voters? It's hard to believe in the democratic process when it is so rigged. I've been eligible to vote since 1973. This may be the first presidential election where I leave that part of my ballot blank.
7
Everybody is allowed to vote in the general election. Nobody has been disenfranchised. Just because Bernie's not running under the flag he has proclaimed his entire political career doesn't mean the party he decided to join last year has to change their rules for him. This is not the general election.
No one registered as an independent voter because Bernie is an independent. It is a political philosophy. The fact that the states along with the RNC and DNC are making rules that keep independents from voting in the primaries, that they want everyone in "their" party to go in lock-step, doesn't make it right or just. And that is a form of disenfranchisement.
When I look at the results I'm struck by 2 things;
1. How does Bernie beat Hillary neighborhoods like Ridgewood, Woodhaven, Howard Beach and Broad Channel? Liberal candidates don't do well here. This is an anti-Hillary vote.
2. Where Hillary won in Manhattan, Brooklyn and esp. southeast Queens are the areas where both DeBlasio and Cuomo won big in their 2013 & 2014 primaries. Hillary is somewhere between those two (closer to Andy), but the question is where is the ideological continuity among these voters? The only thing these 3 had in common on Primary Day was a good chance of winning in November (all faced or will face weak Republicans). Yet, it says nothing about the direction these voters want to take the party. And that creates a very difficult problem for the politics of both parties.
Hillary and Cuomo are both comfortable with a formidable Republican opposition because then they unite the Dems behind them, quell liberal discontent and quash liberal dissent while allowing them to occupy the broad middle. This has been Clinton strategy for almost 30 years. It also coincides with the steady rightward push of politics, and until Bernie, a feeble left. The effects have been the crime bill, welfare reform, the rise of the Neocons under W., expanded surveillance, the anti-government stance and obstructionism of many Reps., and culminating in the clown car of candidates in 2012 and 2016. I hope Hillary does govern as a progressive; we can't more rightward movement.
1. How does Bernie beat Hillary neighborhoods like Ridgewood, Woodhaven, Howard Beach and Broad Channel? Liberal candidates don't do well here. This is an anti-Hillary vote.
2. Where Hillary won in Manhattan, Brooklyn and esp. southeast Queens are the areas where both DeBlasio and Cuomo won big in their 2013 & 2014 primaries. Hillary is somewhere between those two (closer to Andy), but the question is where is the ideological continuity among these voters? The only thing these 3 had in common on Primary Day was a good chance of winning in November (all faced or will face weak Republicans). Yet, it says nothing about the direction these voters want to take the party. And that creates a very difficult problem for the politics of both parties.
Hillary and Cuomo are both comfortable with a formidable Republican opposition because then they unite the Dems behind them, quell liberal discontent and quash liberal dissent while allowing them to occupy the broad middle. This has been Clinton strategy for almost 30 years. It also coincides with the steady rightward push of politics, and until Bernie, a feeble left. The effects have been the crime bill, welfare reform, the rise of the Neocons under W., expanded surveillance, the anti-government stance and obstructionism of many Reps., and culminating in the clown car of candidates in 2012 and 2016. I hope Hillary does govern as a progressive; we can't more rightward movement.
2
So far, Clinton supporters have given me only one reason to vote for her--she isn't Trump. Sad that is the best they can do. They also have done everything they can to insult the Bernie supporters and Independents they are going to need in November--not smart at all.
8
They have lost this indie voter and certainly there are more like me, they assume they can cajole us and pander to us to get out vote, think again. It's high time that we are taken seriously as a party. HRC represents the old guard Sanders a more hopeful candidate. She can say whatever she wants she lies like she breathes. It comes to easily for her. What I don't want is another Clinton occupying the White House.
The math is very simple. Mrs Clinton wins closed Democrat primaries. Mr Sanders wins open primaries where Independents can vote. As 40% of the electorate is Independent Mrs Clinton cannot win in November without an overwhelming majority of Independent voters. To believe otherwise is foolish. How hypocritical of the Democrats who cry foul at every perceived slight of alleged voter suppression to prevent Independent voters from participating in the process as was done in NY and elsewhere where Mrs Clinton has won.
8
Independents can participate in the process: in the general election. As independents, why should they—who don't belong to a party—have a say in who parties nominate as their standard bearers? If they want to participate in a primary, they can either change their registration or form their own party.
Boop ** I'll tell you why. Maybe someone would like to vote for someone from the other party. That's wrong.?? Also why do you have to register a year in advance, why can't there be same day registration? The system isn't right and too complicated, there's no justifying it.
One thing has struck me about the New York primaries: Hillary has 1,037,344 votes in the New York primary. Bernie has 752,739 votes. Trump has 518,601. Hillary got more votes than the entire Republican field combined. Bernie got more votes than Trump and Kasich combined. If this pattern continues in other states, the Democrats could well be looking at a blowout in November.
3
I do not understand why so many Clinton supporters are saying that Sanders has resorted to vicious personal attacks against Clinton. I don't know where they are getting their information, but I haven't heard anything of the sort from Sanders himself. I have seen lots of nasty comments from individual supporters of both candidates, but that is only to be expected in a hotly contested race. And I've seen a constant barrage of anti-Sanders articles by pundits in this newspaper, a constant slander of his supporters as Bernie-bots and Bernie Bros, and a constant demand from HRC supporters that Sanders quit the race.
8
Did you miss the last debate ?
You know I have trouble taking cries of the game is rigged from Sanders supporters given that they refuse to even acknowledge the biggest way the game is rigged i.e. sexism.
5000 years of global patriarchy. All the social conditioning from it. An enormous power imbalance. Double standards galore. All of that suddenly doesn't matter and we supposed to pretend the race is even and fair?
If that isn't considered unfair, then having to win over only actual democrats, most certainly isn't.
5000 years of global patriarchy. All the social conditioning from it. An enormous power imbalance. Double standards galore. All of that suddenly doesn't matter and we supposed to pretend the race is even and fair?
If that isn't considered unfair, then having to win over only actual democrats, most certainly isn't.
3
... 5000 years of global patriarchy ...
No. England has a queen. In fact, England has had several queens. But we don't need a queen.
No. England has a queen. In fact, England has had several queens. But we don't need a queen.
Not that it would (or could) happen this quickly, it is nevertheless interesting to contemplate what a November ticket consisting of two experienced party outsiders regarded as legitimate (and reasonable) change agents might do. If the two were intellectually capable of synthesizing consensus it would make for a very interesting election - provided the media offered fair coverage. In other words, I think they would win. Regardless, come December, the two traditional parties are likely to have a lot to consider. I sense a large and growing constituency of social and economic moderates, tired of oligarchy, free trade, war, concerned about climate, infuriated by the amount of money in politics, and put out by the perpetual polarization that is DC. They feel alienated and unrepresented because it is increasingly obvious that the traditional parties are too invested in their status quo to effect real change. Ultimately, their voices will be heard and they will find representation. We're not there yet, but progress is apparent. That said, I shudder to think what might happen if Trump wins the GOP nomination and is perceived to be the only agent of change. And that could well happen.
3
Would it really be that hard to rewrite the Constitution and let President Obama have a third term?
6
Why? You want more war?
Hillary has now won states representing a total population of around 170 million. Bernie, around 91 million. Hillary's pledged delegate lead (driven by votes) has likely expanded to just under 300. She has amassed far more total votes from all primaries than any candidate, in either party. It all adds up to a pretty convincing level of overall dominance. At some point soon, reason needs to prevail.
5
Pathetic rhetoric. Bernie did an amazing and impressive job... the NYT has become way too biased.
11
Bernie do not go gentle into that good night prescribed by the Clinton media machine , NYT etc.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Vote rigging in New York who'd have believed it - maybe the FBI should investigate!!
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Vote rigging in New York who'd have believed it - maybe the FBI should investigate!!
11
Most of voting machine problems were in the predominantly African-American areas that would vote for Hillary anyways.
Time to unite behind the leading candidates and stop all of this nonsense. There is no way that Bernie Sanders can win and there is no way Cruz can win.
3
Stop all this primary nonsense!!
Who cares if other states want a say. Their viewpoint is irrelevant.
My candidate looks like a shoe-in, so it's all systems go!
Does that about summarize it?
Who cares if other states want a say. Their viewpoint is irrelevant.
My candidate looks like a shoe-in, so it's all systems go!
Does that about summarize it?
5
It's not Sanders who lost. It is the Americsn people. So go bankrupt because you cannot pay your medical bills. Become an indentured servant in order to pay your college loans. What do I care? You people made your bed. Sleep in it!
1
it's hard to fathom how anyone whoever watched this man speak in this race could bring himself to vote for this man. His banality only matches his venality. In this particular case, I do believe that voting for a man like this says something about the voter. Trump vote an be used in the future as a marker for someone who insists on not thinking for himself, lacks intellectual curiosity, and carries lots of latent anger. In 20 years, very few will own up to have voted for him in 2016. They will blush and claim that they don't remember.
3
People are not as smart as you think.
2
Shame on New York, especially Brooklyn and Queens, giving large victories to two of the oldest and most untrustworthy candidates in American history ever.
6
When I see Hillary Clinton do her forced laugh, all my childhood nightmares about witches come back surfacing again. How anyone can vote for a split personality like her is beyond me. People voting Sanders or even Trump, those people I can understand: they're voting for people who are authentic, no matter their ideologies. They are authentic and that's precisely why they have been disrupting and instilling fear in the hearts of their opponents who cling to the politics of the establishment.
11
Krampus is much scarier than Hillary.
How do you feel about Merkel negotiating with Erdogan on the refugee crises?
How do you feel about Merkel negotiating with Erdogan on the refugee crises?
The lack of votes for Cruz shows you can't insult a state or city by demeaning New York values.
5
NY voted for Trump and Clinton. I think that perfectly illustrates the NY values that Senator Cruz was invoking.
My primary concern, based on these results, is that many of Secretary Clinton's beliefs are so diametrically opposed to those that support Senator Sanders. This could mean a shattered party and a shattered election as easily as on the Republican side.
The Secretary's votes in support of the Patriot Act and NSA oversight of the public, her vote in support of Iraq, her reaffirmed support for the death penalty, her defense of actions in Syria and Libya and Honduras, her history of supporting deportation, her disavowal of single-payer, her support for bankruptcy legislation favoring the banks, and her weak understanding and support of education costs and the struggle of student loans just does not resonate with youth and these issues are often their versions of litmus tests for candidates. She fails all of them. The entire occupy movement, which was largely youth-based and whose effects are still felt, was based around creating an US vs Them mentality against the 1%. Running a member of the 1% whose son manages hedge funds is an incredibly dangerous and imprudent thing to do this cycle, particularly as you try to gather independents and first time voters.
It truly feels like the party is holding on to the past instead of moving forward.
I do not believe that progressive voters will continue voting for candidates who do not support their views simply because they have a D next to their name.
The Secretary's votes in support of the Patriot Act and NSA oversight of the public, her vote in support of Iraq, her reaffirmed support for the death penalty, her defense of actions in Syria and Libya and Honduras, her history of supporting deportation, her disavowal of single-payer, her support for bankruptcy legislation favoring the banks, and her weak understanding and support of education costs and the struggle of student loans just does not resonate with youth and these issues are often their versions of litmus tests for candidates. She fails all of them. The entire occupy movement, which was largely youth-based and whose effects are still felt, was based around creating an US vs Them mentality against the 1%. Running a member of the 1% whose son manages hedge funds is an incredibly dangerous and imprudent thing to do this cycle, particularly as you try to gather independents and first time voters.
It truly feels like the party is holding on to the past instead of moving forward.
I do not believe that progressive voters will continue voting for candidates who do not support their views simply because they have a D next to their name.
10
Bernie Sanders has only himself to blame for those voters registered as Independents that possibly could not vote; because he changed his party so he could run on the Democratic ticket, and take advantage of it. Stop whining Bernie!
11
Many Clinton supporters do not seem to understand that for Sanders supporters, there is a real difference between the candidates, and the future of American politics under them. Clinton is exactly the kind of politician that Sanders supporters want to remove. She's taken more millions, from more special interests, than any politician before an election. She surrounds herself with bankers, corporate executives, and lobbyists; they are her supporters and advisors. In short, she lives and breathes Big Money.
Many of us believe that money and corporate influence in politics, have contributed to our modern problems: taxes and incentives favor corporations and the wealthy while social programs are cut; lower and middle-class wages and standard of living drop, while the rich get richer. Climate change goes unaddressed while corporate interests are supported. Social problems like racism and unequal wages go unaddressed, while corporate needs are met.
We've seen these problems increase under politicians who take millions from special interests, and whose advisors are bankers, executives, and lobbyists. So we want someone else. We want someone who has worked for progressive causes for decades, takes no money from special interests, and who works with other progressives.
The difference between who these candidates are, and what they do, is huge. If you listen to what Sanders says, he's very clear in articulating the differences, and our hopes for politics freed from Big Money.
Many of us believe that money and corporate influence in politics, have contributed to our modern problems: taxes and incentives favor corporations and the wealthy while social programs are cut; lower and middle-class wages and standard of living drop, while the rich get richer. Climate change goes unaddressed while corporate interests are supported. Social problems like racism and unequal wages go unaddressed, while corporate needs are met.
We've seen these problems increase under politicians who take millions from special interests, and whose advisors are bankers, executives, and lobbyists. So we want someone else. We want someone who has worked for progressive causes for decades, takes no money from special interests, and who works with other progressives.
The difference between who these candidates are, and what they do, is huge. If you listen to what Sanders says, he's very clear in articulating the differences, and our hopes for politics freed from Big Money.
50
I agree with Sanders' progressive values. But what many Sanders supporters do not understand is they are not pragmatic and that promoting an agenda which is further left will lead to more obstructionism and won't accomplish much.
And many Sanders supporters do not realize that our oppositions to him is not based in ignorance or pay checks from corporations. I oppose his ideology because it is rooted in the shameful historical legacy of socialism; because his anti-free-market rhetoric is hateful and divisive; and because he has zero knowledge or understanding of foreign policy. And his knowledge of Scandinavian countries which he holds up as an example of what American should be is equally zero. I was born in a country where slogans were substitutes for rational discussion. I don't want to go back.
1
And if they refuse to get out and vote in the election if Sanders doesn't get the nomination, how well do they think their values will be represented by the Republican candidate? How do you suppose they'll like the next Supreme Court nominee coming from a Republican president? I rather think that Citizen's United decisions will proliferate under such a justice. Do they agree with the Republican war on Planned Parenthood and legislative control of women's reproductive rights? All those down ticket contests are important in a long range battle to get big money out of politics and the government out of our bedrooms and doctor's offices. I'm not particularly thrilled with either of the Democratic candidates, but I will vote for whoever gets the nomination because the prospect of Republican control of all branches of the government is my nightmare. Taking your vote and going home may feel quite righteous, but the rest of us will suffer if you do.
So proud of my hometown!!!
I saw a really awful video the other night, where Bernie supporters were asked
to describe Hillary in one word. Most of these supporters were young, but there was a man who called her a "whore." I almost fell off my seat. How could Mr. Sanders support this awful, angry campaign that he is running? I have lost so much respect for him and I am so tired of his self-righteous smug attitude. I am so happy that New York did the right thing! Love my home state!
I saw a really awful video the other night, where Bernie supporters were asked
to describe Hillary in one word. Most of these supporters were young, but there was a man who called her a "whore." I almost fell off my seat. How could Mr. Sanders support this awful, angry campaign that he is running? I have lost so much respect for him and I am so tired of his self-righteous smug attitude. I am so happy that New York did the right thing! Love my home state!
15
The right thing? What does that even mean?
@Sev Iyama,
Whether or not New York did the right thing is a matter of opinion and not every Sanders voter has called Hillary a whore. I certainly haven't. You've lost respect for him, that's unfortunate and you certainly don't have to vote for him. But, many Sanders voters feel something beyond anger. Many are optimistic and determined that things can and will improve, that this is the start of something new and necessary. And many of the people who feel that way are in New York.
4-20-16@9:27 am
Whether or not New York did the right thing is a matter of opinion and not every Sanders voter has called Hillary a whore. I certainly haven't. You've lost respect for him, that's unfortunate and you certainly don't have to vote for him. But, many Sanders voters feel something beyond anger. Many are optimistic and determined that things can and will improve, that this is the start of something new and necessary. And many of the people who feel that way are in New York.
4-20-16@9:27 am
1
You pick one ugly word from one man you identify as a Sanders supporter and paint all those who don't share your view with it. Please take a moment to reconsider what you just did.
Congratulations New York, you just got played by two of the most gifted grifters you ever produced. It must be true, you do feed on your own young. The future doesn't look good for the kids. You guys just helped to elect two of the most dangerous people in the world, who will never give a fudge about you.
12
Exactly. A proud moment for film flammers United.
Perhaps the best comment yet.
Just goes to show how parochial New Yorkers are.
5
@disenthralled,
Believe it or not, many New Yorkers voted for Sanders and have been volunteering for him.
4-20-16@9:29 am
Believe it or not, many New Yorkers voted for Sanders and have been volunteering for him.
4-20-16@9:29 am
1
Let's puts things where they belong; Senator Sanders' message does not go through in large and diverse states. He's lost Florida, Massachusetts, Illinois, Virginia, Ohio and now New York, states with large minority communities and rich in delegates. So his campaign should ask itself, why can't he connect with these communities? I see that his supporters will claim that Sanders connects with minorities but it obviously does not translate in big states. At this point, Sanders' campaign only hope is to win every single state left in the race by wide margins and if you think California will vote differently than New York..think again.
6
Worth noting that Sanders did far better in the primary in his home state than Clinton did in hers. And Sanders did best in NY among the districts closest to Vermont where people would know him the best. Clearly the people who know him vote for him.
12
If you look at the map of NYS you'll see that Bernie won the most districts BY FAR. He takes home 106 delegates to Hillary's 139. As they say, it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
14
What is it in "Miranda": Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law?
In the "court of public opinion", Ted Cruz got what he deserved with his "New York values" comment.
In the "court of public opinion", Ted Cruz got what he deserved with his "New York values" comment.
3
Mrs. Clinton victory was huge capturing 58% of the vote. In NY State politics that is a landslide. A large percentage of Republican voters in New York City stayed home. The total Republican vote in New York City was 107,000 and most of that total was from Staten Island. A Republican stronghold. Mrs. Clinton sent a message last night.
4
Really? Some observers think that it was the DNC and NYDP machines which sent the message: Unless we can be sure that you will vote for the candidates we select, we will do our best to deny you an opportunity to vote at all. Three million independent voters disenfranchised? Shame upon anti-democratic party machines which claim the brand "Democrat" when their true colors are Plutocrat. They are sowing the wind which actual democrats and progressives must hope will raise the whirlwind which results in a national open primary election.
1
It's a shameful day to be a New Yorker. Bernie, I am sorry we let you down.
48
@Alex,
I'm not thrilled either. Let's see what happens and go from there.
4-20-16@9:31 am
I'm not thrilled either. Let's see what happens and go from there.
4-20-16@9:31 am
1
*we* let *him* down? Lol... As Brecht said, it may be time to dissolve the people and elect another...
The Black & Hispanic vote that has been Clintons strength & has enabled her to
win the delegates she now has, will in the end be her undoing, as it will cause a back lash among white voters, which in turn will give the White House to the Republicans in November, The Polls that show her beating Trump or Cruz , does not take in the cross over white Democrats,who will vote for Trump, especially the disgruntled Sander supporters.
win the delegates she now has, will in the end be her undoing, as it will cause a back lash among white voters, which in turn will give the White House to the Republicans in November, The Polls that show her beating Trump or Cruz , does not take in the cross over white Democrats,who will vote for Trump, especially the disgruntled Sander supporters.
6
Clinton does not deserve to be in the white house again, not now not ever. It is not a monarchy it isn't her "right" to be President. Yes the low information voters handed HRC a victory good luck with that.
1
@Ultraliberal,
I can't speak for every Black or Hispanic voter. But I can speak for myself and the people I know: Clinton didn't get my support.
4-20-16@9:35 am
I can't speak for every Black or Hispanic voter. But I can speak for myself and the people I know: Clinton didn't get my support.
4-20-16@9:35 am
1
Lady Scorpio,
I'm only going by Statistics. I don't understand why Sanders did not get their vote, as a Democratic Socialism benefited the disenfranchised poor & the Masses in general. Clinton represents the Status Quo, who has done very little to help Black & Hispanic Americans, in Fact her Husband, reduced Welfare Payments, Was responsible for NAFTA that took away Urban Jobs, that hit these two groups the hardest , which were replaced by drugs & broken homes, & then Clinton put forth a law that threw mostly Black & Hispanics in Prison. Am I missing something?
I'm only going by Statistics. I don't understand why Sanders did not get their vote, as a Democratic Socialism benefited the disenfranchised poor & the Masses in general. Clinton represents the Status Quo, who has done very little to help Black & Hispanic Americans, in Fact her Husband, reduced Welfare Payments, Was responsible for NAFTA that took away Urban Jobs, that hit these two groups the hardest , which were replaced by drugs & broken homes, & then Clinton put forth a law that threw mostly Black & Hispanics in Prison. Am I missing something?
1
Secretary Hillary Clinton scored a well-deserved Victory. Yet, Secretary Hilton, in her own measured way, must more effectively unmask & expose Senator Sanders facade of 'revolution'. Democracy is all about national consensus & collective progress. Senator Sanders is deliberately stoking imaginary visions of 'revolution' in young Americans which will surely lead to deep disappointment in years to come. Secretary Clinton must Effectively & Clearly save Americans from such needless broken dreams &, instead, charge younger Americans with President Barack Obama's dreams of bold Change in Our Times.
7
@S. Venkatesh,
Well, you're entitled to your opinion of Sanders, which is what you're expressing.
Your location says Chennai, India. If you're an American living overseas, I wonder if you're misjudging him. If you're not American, then, with all due respects ...
4-20-16@9:41 am
Well, you're entitled to your opinion of Sanders, which is what you're expressing.
Your location says Chennai, India. If you're an American living overseas, I wonder if you're misjudging him. If you're not American, then, with all due respects ...
4-20-16@9:41 am
1
I always enjoy reading comments from fellow NYT readers. I believe HRC embraces and has lead a life dedicated towards the values I and we in the Democratic Party value. I worry that Sanders is being taken over by seeing himself in the mirror - he and his followers see him as some kind of savior - which he is not - and the anger he is introducing into the campaign is ugly and a sign of his changing inner values. There is a reason Bernie has raised no money for the DNC and has little support. As Trump begins to realize he needs to polish his skills there is nothing more terrifying than the thought of him in the White House - a test of integrity is whether Bernie will do what is in his best interests or what are in the best interests of the party and America. Please Mr Sanders - cool it - HRC is the best hope for he under served & change in America.
15
Bernie is promising free healthcare AND free college and his supporters actually believe this is possible
And people call the Trump supporters dumb?
And people call the Trump supporters dumb?
9
I see you are calling in from Barcelona, Lucian- a place where you do in fact get "free" healthcare. I guess for Europeans it's par for the course, but for a poor black or brown person in say Texas, it's a pipe dream.
Many European Union countries have (almost) free health care and state colleges. Your lack of vision is astonishing.
I'm an American.
In England more than half of the universities charges the maximum tuition allowed (£9,000 per year). That's about $14,000.
The NHS is free but go live there for awhile (as I have) and you'll be astonished at the wait times, refusal to refer to specialists, refusal to order tests, refusal to cover certain procedures and impossibility to get appointments. Also, you can only see a GP in your 'catchment.' That's like a school district. You have zero choice. You MUST see the GP in your catchment, even if that GP is terrible.
Oh, did I mention the junior doctors are currently on strike?
In England more than half of the universities charges the maximum tuition allowed (£9,000 per year). That's about $14,000.
The NHS is free but go live there for awhile (as I have) and you'll be astonished at the wait times, refusal to refer to specialists, refusal to order tests, refusal to cover certain procedures and impossibility to get appointments. Also, you can only see a GP in your 'catchment.' That's like a school district. You have zero choice. You MUST see the GP in your catchment, even if that GP is terrible.
Oh, did I mention the junior doctors are currently on strike?
I'll have to call my bookie, and change one of my bets for the nominations. I was betting on Ryan to start his Independent run, shoot, not yet I guess. With a no show, I still might go for Willie Nelson as a write-in. And hope for a three way split on the parties. GOP, Dem, Ind. Lib., but which three?
Time for Bernie to stop his vicious attacks on Hillary?
No, time for Trump to start his - Hillary supporters will soon realize what a gentleman Bernie is, when Trump chooses Monica Lewinsky as his running mate.
No, time for Trump to start his - Hillary supporters will soon realize what a gentleman Bernie is, when Trump chooses Monica Lewinsky as his running mate.
10
In all seriousness, I do hope Trump calls Hillary out on the way she treated the women involved with Bill (i.e., sat by and let them be smeared when she knew they were telling the truth). That, to me, was egregious behavior. And telling.
1
Ms. Clinton won NY "easily". Bernie won the last 7 out of 9 states easily. Those who live in states where the status quo is killing off our citizens, cannot afford 4 more years of it. The ACA is nothing more than catastrophic care for a majority of Americans and our jobs don't pay a living wage or include benefits to make up for the stagnated wages. Times are desperate. These problems cannot be solved by someone with poor judgment who is is bed with the corporations. It's a mathematical and moral impossibility.
9
The NYT newpaper article is misleading, as to who it is NY voters favor for the Democratic Presidential nomination. Of course, this is expected. NYT articles on important political and international and military topics are ALWAYS misleading, often as comically so as this one. The majority of NY voters prefer Bernie Saders. If GOD thought the majority preferred Hillary, GOD would be mistaken. Those who would have made up a majority for Bernie if their votes could have been counted were prevented from voting (itself a long story in US political life). So here is the message to the Democratic Party: nominate Bernie. Or, as Susan Sarandon has so eloquently put it, we will all ust "walk away".
10
Hillary won the vote by 15%. You should come to terms with this. More people voted for her than for him. That's how this process works.
No mention in the article about the massive fraud that prevented thousands of registered Democrats from voting in Brooklyn? Thousands.
Every little bit helps, right? so much better than flipping coins.
What a disgrace.
Every little bit helps, right? so much better than flipping coins.
What a disgrace.
13
That's thousands more votes that would have gone to Hillary!
Sounds more like a lot of Republicans in sheep's clothing wanting the opportunity to game the Democratic primary, than anything else.
I too want a real public servant for my country.
I also feel a news paper, one as highly recognized as the NYT's shouldn't solicit for a candidate.
I also feel a news paper, one as highly recognized as the NYT's shouldn't solicit for a candidate.
11
Now that Clinton won with overwhelming female and minority support, maybe we can stop hearing the Sanders bro (and also media) nonsense that he is the "left", "liberal" candidate. It has been appalling to hear the constant white male vilifying of Clinton, the same-old same-old umbrage over trivia, all topped off by not only the same-old same-old "but I'm not sexist" proclamations but also now their claiming the mantle of progressivism. Save us from this progress.
11
Independents cannot vote in NY Primaries.There are about 3 million NY Independents.How will these 3 million vote in November?They will decide the NY Electoral vote.Lets see if the Times will probe this large voting bloc or just declare they'll vote for Hillary.
12
Interesting that the first NY primary to matter in 40 years ultimately didn't.
10
Isn't purging hundreds of thousands of voters from the voter rolls one of the "strategies" used by Jebby to deliver Florida to Lil' Georgy in 2000? Aside from these "inexplicable" purges discovered yesterday, I wonder how this primary would have turned out if ALL voters who wanted to vote would have been permitted by the DNC to re-register in the last couple of months... The six month deadline to re-register is undemocratic and preposterous... Just the way the DNC likes it....
This whole nomination (appointment) process reeks to high heaven... But at least the people are waking up to a system that has been rigged for the candidates of establishment insiders (corporate billionaires) for many decades... Thanks to the unexpected popularity of both Bernie Sanders and, yes, Donald Trump.
This whole nomination (appointment) process reeks to high heaven... But at least the people are waking up to a system that has been rigged for the candidates of establishment insiders (corporate billionaires) for many decades... Thanks to the unexpected popularity of both Bernie Sanders and, yes, Donald Trump.
18
Trump is the Berlusconi of American politics and Cruz the Mussolini
7
And Clinton is the Castro of American politics. Power handed down.
The distribution of Bernie's successes across the entire country (and Hillary's lack thereof) tells the true story of a grass-roots candidate and the establishment.